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The Kist & Solak Show #216: Howie "Littlefinger" Roseman + Cardinals Preview!

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The Kist & Solak Show #216: Howie "Littlefinger" Roseman + Cardinals Preview!

"Michael kissed listening again. Benjamin so it's the kissed in solex show presented pine espy nation and bleeding eight-nation. You are wide and high on the kissed end. Sola showed this episode to sixteen brought by the punt bogota speed nation and bleeding nation. I your host michael. Just follow me on twitter at michael kissed. Nfl that's k. I s. t. as always joined by the best co host in the game mr tenure strategy. He is benjamin sollac. Follow him on twitter at benjamin. So like that's sol. Cape time has come. I have grown tired of your backstabbing or jealous. See you're plagiarizing. You're feeling okay. This is finding until now. And i am flying the flying the announced it by the way gentlest. Or if you haven't seen this on twitter yet. I have accepted a role as the executive producer for team community podcasts at sp nation which means this is my last season with you guys and the season is almost at an end which means that the kissing Show that you're listening to right. 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Sounds great. i'm so we we don't know that yet We don't know if guessing hop on the the mighty together again or not but it's great news for my greatest for everybody. Yeah we can do the sappy goodbyes. And everything like that when we do our Off show at the at the end of this review. Yeah lon chance laps by one any no. I don't care who let me know what you think about me. Hit my barrels and five stars barrels. Here we go so ben today. We're going to be previewing. The eagles matchup with the arizona cardinals tomorrow at four o'clock. Pm a master's four zero five is at four twenty five. Doesn't matter so we're going to be doing that. We're going to be looking at both sides of the ball again. The injury report or they can stop i. I wanted to talk about another backstabber beside you or a a little finger. Type which is how we roseman according to allocate your just stunned i look you try to leave me i i. I totally slater them. I accept so let. Let's talk about this report though because this was done after the the most recent. Bgn radio something that they would typically cover. However there is a report from the philadelphia inquirer paul dhamma which stating that. The eagles have not considered firing howie roseman at the conclusion of this season. There's a quote in here. This interesting quote one thing that one thing. That definitely isn't hanging in the balance though much. This any eagles fans is the future of general manager. Howie roseman sources close to the owner. Jeffrey lori said that while no decision has been reached on. Whether peterson will be back six season roseman return never has been in doubt weird sentence. In fact it's not even something. Laurie has contemplated and quote on that. That's fascinating and really does kind of like give you a peek behind the curtain there. If that if that's true how roseman has really just navigated these waters and has come out on top of all of these power power struggles to wear peterson's just like man. I don't even care if i get fired. Because i think he feels like he's not going to win. This one against howie. Because i mean from this report as well lori thinks the world of roseman thinks he can do. No wrong is something that was said in the article sees him as a messiah as a one time. Eagles front executive is a front off. His exact said on wednesday in neurotic debt. That's so rua messiah wasn't who i think. It has a one time eagles front off his exact now. Is that louis riddick. Who can is that words in the article. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah it didn't. It did not say exactly the name. But i like riddick. Banner right and usual suspects with these types of things because we understand that. Like especially riddick. There's no love lost their. Who is getting his own. General manager Interviews now this offseason but but sticking with this man it really just feel like like you. Look at jack jack yesterday or the houston texans who has survived different changes and whatnot and look at him like a little finger. Type dude howie. Roseman is just crushing. The power struggle game the backhand dealings the politics all of that stuff and is looks like he's going to come out clean for at least another year in this thing while a super bowl winning head coach may take the brunt of it may take me end up with who knows the los angeles chargers With justin herbert that wouldn't that be And deputy after watched anthony lynn just totally bungled thursday night. Anyway ben your thoughts on this whole thing. Messiah had messiah had been riddick man. I my new biggest pet project is just staying up late trying to find old quotes that i think we're we're talking about high roseman. This is my favorite i. I am praying he gets. Gm job a said the eagles. Mike have a better more stable team in the courses x. Number of years. That would be hilarious and be that when they do the executive meetings that the whole coaches every other thing they have to stand next to each other in the picture with love it. Anyway there's a there's a there's a little bit of we knew this all along and i think it's a story editing. It's legit like donald Writing jump reporting it rose. Men's endurance in philadelphia is kind of it. It points to how much he's been loved by jeopardy lord the entire time right you know what i mean like made it through twenty times. Andy came out the better for that. Got you know the one bench in twenty fourteen. Twenty fifteen right went on a chip. Kelly drove over and then was able to come right back on top of it. He has never worked anywhere except in philadelphia. My twenty years now salary cap in two thousand two now the executive vice president and general manager in twenty twenty. You don't do that without the owner being aerobic fan. You know what. I mean like that. That level of stability outside of new england is unprecedented So so there's a little bit of like a. We knew this sort of a situation now. The fact that him being fired is not at all on. The table is concerning as. I think that you'd want that to be a part of the conversation you would want to say as an owner. This past season was unacceptable. And in that it was unacceptable. Everybody's on the table and even if it's an empty threat even if it doesn't mean anything at least you you've vocalized that and you you give everybody the sensation of what we must do. Better here right ross. The feel of at least a serious conversation to her how he's like man. I feel the pressure to win row. I think right. Because i think if your average eagle fan could get one thing it would be the ability to like say roseman. Hey wentz is horrible now. And probably part of that is the fact that you've got no wide receivers in his last four years and that kind of socks and we don't like you know what i mean like you'd want that they tension to be real for roseman right and there's a chance that that conversation's been had a chance that that that's that's very real. I think that kind of i would assume at least in the roseman not endanger situation in that statement. There's an implied and assumed and a continuation of we're going to make changes in the front office to continue to account for that which roseman is strong. That which is weak right like there and no point when joe douglas was was brought in was it. Like oh wow what an indictment on how it roseman. What does this mean. It was always like this is this is. This is what it should be right. When andrew berry was was brought in right i mean it was one hundred percent viewed as a. Let's attached like we'll bring him attached to him to roseman. He'll be here for one or two years. He's great he's valuable. He knows how to via personnel. But also like this will be such that. He gets a big feather in his cap to go get hired somewhere else. He just clip at like. The eagles bench in the front office is viewed as a good spot to be for future. You know develop a professional development and also to have impact on personnel right. So they through gm's four hundred days so you there's a there's that sensation so i would imagine that's what the conversations around why we'll be frustrating. What will be what will really make this thing is. If the eagles failed to execute the necessary honest difficult moves of resetting this roster making it young again and making it a developmental regardless of the next three games of jalen hearts playoff berth. Or not success or not. You're going to have to let good talent go to get under the cap and then you're going to have to let declining talent go because it's declining talent and it's taking away snaps developmental talent ryan. So that's where you might have. Jim schwartz at high roseman in a room and say me jackson is god. We like malaysia. Sixth grade prioritization Super important somebody in the room has to be able to say at brothers do twelve million and we're keeping our game work even cox We need to talk about this guy potentially be moved on from. You're going to have to say this is an over thirty defensive tackle and we're going to potentially let them walk on the final year of his deal right. No guaranteed salary. He's gotta go so that that like if they're like. Oh we're gonna hold onto believe jackson. Maybe it will be good this year. That's what it'd be like all right wherever the voices in the room are. They're not powerful enough right and so that that's that's the main concern but like i don't know i'm not surprised how is safe and i also think that there's a good chance that he can stay and be fine like even if you don't think how he's very good at this is clearly not so bad that it's prohibitive to a super bowl because they won when he was here so you at least they'll have that within range. Yeah yeah he. He was a genius in the run up to that. I mean people want to call it luck or whatever you want. Look at what he did in the two thousand sixteen. Two thousand seventeen offseason. Those were some fantastic moves that out really well and part of that sure is lucky. You gotta be you know relatively healthy with those guys and so on and so forth. These been unlucky as far as that goes with some of the signings I don't like his approach to wide receiver at all. Not gonna make any excuses for the guy when it comes. Because you're paying what i don't know. Twenty four mil. Against the cap. For alshon jeffery and desha jackson this year. What are they producing. They bring in five to six extra addition at wide receiver this year and they don't have a thousand yards combined so there are areas in which including second quarter and all this stuff and we can. We can place blame. There are areas in which he certainly has failed. but he's also the city a super bowl and he's gone from what hero to villain to villain two hero to like aback back. When you've been in a state like philadelphia for twenty years. You know what i mean. Yeah so i think what it is is okay. Roseman should be fired I i don't think it's a yes you know. I'm not i. I haven't been sold on the road. Firing admin sold on. The peterson firing. I know there's been people rosen should be fired or be able to big role in should be fired guy. I could see it. I see how it would make sense as always. I want to know who the replacement is but whatever right if he stays like this. What if i put it like this. If you had to choose. Who do you fire peterson rosement by chooses resonant. Saint yes saint. I don't think i if you do neither fine. Whatever but the front office this upcoming off season and draft cycle has to make significant strides towards a rebuild getting younger getting cheaper getting good developmental talent whilst a good plan for the quarterback position. And if they are incapable of doing that with roseman plus whomever then they are insufficient for the the obstacles at currently face. You and you have to make a change is what you're telling. Roseman is you built this roster. It's bad now you need to tear it down and that can be a hard thing for her proud. Smart people do. And i said that's the obstacle. It's a tricky one. So okay you wanna keep rosen. You want to add more people office. Go for it. They are responsible for you. Need to get out of the twenty twenty one season to be able to say confidently. These are offense. A cornerstone pieces defensive cornerstone pieces and this is our quarterback for upcoming super bowl. Run weather as wentz hurt somebody else. That's what you need to be able to say at the end of twenty twenty one and if this front office can't give you that at the end of two thousand twenty one that's where that's where you're just treading water your same for office pointing twenty two. You're still not going to have an answer for twenty three years talking to have answers. So that's that's where you start like. I say treading water and just move place got you're gonna have to gut this roster and still have a winning team in my opinion nine seven. We'll probably get the job done. If you have the answers to the questions that you just post to to them another year. I definitely agree with that. A bleeding green nation dot com does not agree with the fact that roseman. I mean look at this. Poll should the eagles fire. Harry rosen ninety one percent. Say yes and again. I don't necessarily disagree with them. I might not be as one hundred percent post game. Podcast which said explicitly uganda fire. How roseman. That's a close game podcast. I'm not responsible for those right. It's just like live. Tweeting member despire and things off in the moment. That's how we feel at that moment. When you step back and look at it. Fire harry roseman. Alright then when we come back here on the kitchen solex show. We're gonna we're going have to hit him the alone well already just out. Just not done with podcast. Live in trying. Can't even speak english anymore. Or whatever trying to give you a more stuff to edit. I'm trying to see how does how does bend attack this one along that in this now that. I'm in charge editing by potentially i dunno Are not by now every stumble of yours. That's dannon cardinals. Eagles preview coming up next right after this here comes the commercial support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. 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Are you know we'll figure it out So ben let's get into this Eagles cardinals matchup first off. Let let's talk about some injury transaction. You would call it. Jack driscoll right tackle injured zor of altay cornerback injured reserve which means that matt pryor will start at right tackle. That's a mess and who knows will start at the other quarterback probably jalen mills because they have zero depth at the quarterback position anymore. It's von seymour. It's other guys that i just learned existed last week so there are a lot of issues there that we're going to talk about but additionally we cornerback daria slate in the concussion protocol. He is questionable for sunday in the interior. Will jackson is also questionable. So ben injuries once again shuffling the deck on the titanic essentially. Yeah so this is now. Thirteen offensive line combinations. That have started taking a first snaps. It's not even like oh changes injury. Thirteen fourteen games off is truly stunning. stout lane is stud right at the goal. By the way the goal is not to have the most combined configurations yet. Not yet i if right now if i asked you could you remember the week that they kept it steady that it didn't change thirteen or fourteen. I have no idea what is eight right. Yeah exactly. I could not tell you. There's been dismissed. Park must change. The cardinals are blitz a and stunned and twist a lot. I would say that this is not the sort of the fence that you want. Have office wind changes on but he goes off. The line changes every single week. So it's not going to be anything new for them and they struggled to deal with those Every single weeks ninety. Anything new for them when you get into a since you're going to be able to get pressure with four when they send pressure packages expected with a rookie quarterback back there. Jason chelsea does most of the pointing out of blitzes both its When it's with hearts but obviously having a five or quarterback back there gives you a little bit more a A safety net for center pointing out protections out with the second star quarterback back there. It's a little bit of a risky proposition. So Blitzes and and stunt. You continue to anticipate them. Struggling with the offense of line prior is not a tackle. He may not even be a guard. I e may not be guy period but they definitely tackle So you're in a dangerous spot there driscoll by the way. He's not had multiple injuries this year. Which is concerning He was a little bit banged up a five year. Career in college will bit banged out for a lot of college. The man he played was healthy. He was good he was got. He's east he can be on this team in egan play. They censored if he just doesn't is easy will stay healthy so then of automatics. Michael kept or kvant cave on wallace convincing. Kvant seymour just. I mean like personally dairy slayton plays. You're still looking at christian kirk in your later. Andy isabella and you're looking at life. Is gerald guys who haven't been great but certainly can can beat up on practice squad waters price or corners. If there's no slight you can't it's it's it's deandre hopkins isolated backside and here's the problem. The eagles ran a ton of zone coverage against the saints and it was awesome. Gone to cover three twenty five different ways. Moving people around and played a ton of to highs zones. Everybody is on tastes. Hell don't let them break outside of the pocket yes it gave up some some intermediate michael thomas completion. They're able to survive those especially when slay slay went down. Obviously they had to stay in zone but even before they went down there were plans on with him and maddox. That was gone fairly well. You're gonna have to against murray and this air raid offense and it's honestly not a terrible idea. Murray and other scamper so you want to be able to have is on. How many breaks the pocket. He's not very good at throwing intermediate windows between zones one of his biggest week and says a matter of fact. This defense or this offense largely operates outside of the numbers throwing decides on so being in zone is in bad. What still not having the ability to one on one deandre hopkins. I want you get to the ten yard line. You can't play zone on. Hawkins is no sleigh. a double him. I mean you can't ask michael jackass to just get the andrei go like it's your first start deal with it. You can't you can't do that But what's what's really nice. If you look to last week is the fact that jim schwartz. Very infrequently changes his base coverage ideas week to week like this year. The eagles have been a man coverage team. And sometimes it's been like wow. They're getting bernie. Mac i was. They should play some zone. A ha- man he is not regularly he'll pitch changeups but is very regular that he comes out with a different game. Plan a whole different approach for an offense while with jalen hurts. Starting quarterback with smell on the sideline. The eagles walk down played more zone coverage than they have. All season and that significant shipped is indicative. A of you know. They didn't have much faith in the swazi room and it tasted millstone and so forth. Would it was acknowledging that hells greatest. Threat was his ability to move with his legs. There's something the saints should've on against you on hurts but did not on defense looking at how they are a corner yet another season. And what you've gotten. Kyle moran that offense. I would imagine them to be zone. Heavy again now with renewed faith in gym shorts too. Sometimes you make some really good decisions. Monday to saturday. And i likened it to the two thousand eighteen rams game which you know i think is like jim schwartz. His magnum opus shocked us all with his game plan and changed everything up because he's typically not like that but every now and then old jimbo. Jimbo knows that the temperature in the room. He could feel the he could fill the seat. Get a little hot. And that's pretty kinds out. We're just like his best game plans. It's it's so weird. Because i ultimately think that jim schwartz has been a good to good depending on which day you catch him coordinator for the eagles this year. I think he's been just a mess and through some of his own personnel decisions as well. I think he's been really really bad. I thought this game against the saints of the willingness to change the zones that the us i thought that was so much better so much better from him and i would love to see it. Continue so we'll see if they're able to do that. What about if we if we look at this arizona defense here pretty average across the board but they do some interesting things are night than db away thirteen per game on third down their fourteenth trending up that's under forty percent over the last three games in the red zone the really good their sixth in the league I want to start the conversation this way and we can kind of bounce around to different ideas that we see from the cardinals special talked about this. Qb factory what kind of do this little unconventional abundant but like pull up game pass gentleness or if you have it with watch some film together the cardinals giants from last week. Your time stamp. Should you choose to accept. It is first quarter nine twenty three. It's third in three on. the giants. Eight score is still no nil. Giants are in eleven personnel. Cardinals are in their nichols set. Initially from the giants. You're gonna get a five wide look with running back wing gelman out wide linebacker. Isaiah simmons is out there with him. That's a man indicator when gallon motions back to the backfield. They created three by one. Simmons goes with him joins jordan hicks to double mug the gap. That's another man. Indicator is traveling with the motion. So it's exactly what you're going to get post to you're going to get man coverage now is pressman from the cardinals which as we know the eagles wide receivers really struggle against i mean every game feels like the two thousand and three. Nfc championship game against the panthers for them where they just got mugged to apple line in that one. But i'm not still bitter about this the tops olsen thing. Yes this is the todd pinkston that. That's actually what may go back and watch that game. Where ricky manning have three interceptions just boggles. I don't think anybody knew who was before that So that was still stick does that. That was the three season you said. Yeah i was six. The jake degrom. Panthers are one of my earliest memories of my life or washington washington. That team play the eagles because they rely than the rams the box in the eagles anthologies like the good nfc teams at the time. And so when. I when people like. What's your earliest memory. I go watching jake by for the panthers. He played the rams in the in the playoffs. Two thousand two. I wanna say anyway. This is not a bad schaja. So basically what you're getting here is the the cardinals are going to start. They're gonna drop both other linebackers out are gonna drop simmons out. We're going to drop kicks out. Hicks is going to be the low hold defender. Simmons is going to run with the running back because again they're in man and i think this is a to buy one funnel where at the running back releases to the right hicks can take him it releases to the left simmons can take him. The other guy will then be the whole defender. But anyway what you're getting here. Doug the a gap you got the late rotation from the state they got split safety look they rotate late to a single high. Look so middle of fuel. Close press coverage across the board that low linebacker. He can walk crossers. He can spy if you need to. Then you've got stunts on both sides which is going to be a real issue so all these this one play right here encapsulates something for me. That is going to give the eagles a lot of troubles. The press coverage the aggressiveness. The stunts that they can bring with matt prior being on that side just the spy because they have athletes with hicks and simmons that can absolutely run with jalen hurt revenge game. I didn't even think. So when i look at this defense the way they blitz moving away they cover the way they deploy these things. I can get the eagles a lot of problems and they can be really really confusing for a young quarterback like hurts right. Yeah so dance. Joseph the defensive coordinator arizona james becher. And that was steve. Welk's announced vance. Joseph he's the. I got a hold a job for more than a year in the last. Three years joseph's aggressive. He wants to come after you and especially when you're an aggressive defensive coordinator your aggressive when you see a rookie quarterback back there. Red is ears combat. I mean we're moving. The cardinals are fifth in the league blitz rate behind the ravens. The steelers dolphins three very good defenses. And the jets doesn't matter how will the jets are playing. They are doesn't matter. What the jets. And they also are top five in prussia right there right philadelphia top five and qb heads. They are physically these. They santana russia's in generate a ton of pressure players like buddha baker. they're safe at washington's solves their problems might talk about safety rotation they will have buddha lineup everywhere at times. I think buddha's on clear passing us. I think buddha is allowed to just go wherever he wants like. He's just go this. That's got bob's around. And then they'll have him in a deep hat we'll have them in a deep third. They'll take him from deep and blitz. They as so fast so physical and he's able to change direction with really good instincts. They allow him to do so much stuff. Pre the usually would not allow player to do throw in as you said. Players like a mix players like isaiah simmons who they're slowly onboard with more success assan radic eagles fans temple fans will remember as a historic player for the ten programme thirteenth overall. Pick one before. Derek barnett in two thousand seventeen. Nfl draft who just had five sacks against the new york giants now with ten on the season radic is a rush outside linebacker. Who can drop for them and they'll move him around. They'll bring on multiple rush backers on third downs including the white kid. Forty five or of that. I remember but he's on like they got a lot of guys who they're comfortable rushing dropping and spinning around. You've got a mobile quarterback in and jalen hurts. There's diversion like should you blitzer mobile quarterback not a neat answer rookie. Yes oh precious gonna be great. We're throw br. Let's add him. We're going to speed up this process. He's gonna make mistakes. You're gonna throw in into into droppers and one of the main concerns from philadelphia. Should be jalen hurts throwing. I really hot. And he's throwing directly into a her. That's a fix but rookie quarterback shirt blitzen. Mobile quarterback is tricky right. When you have a quarterback lake hurts and you go through the new orleans film author oklahoma film. He wants to be outside of the pocket. He doesn't want to be in the pocket he doesn't wanna work doesn't want to buy time loss to get out. He's good floor on the move. He's a great runner. So get out of the pocket makes place. Well let's say a send six hurts is really so sex a free rusher. Free rushers are objectively. Not as valuable gets mobile quarterbacks to get a free rusher. It's ben rothlisberger ben roethlisberger. Going down had a free. Rusher against carla. Murray jalen hurts. Good they get out of there on so gentle hurts escapes now. He's outside of the pocket but you just use six players to get him outside the bucket whereas if you had used four he probably would have ended up outside of the pocket anyway right because that's where he wants to go to where he wants to date. So in this way lifting jalen hurts may end up to the detriment of the cardinals and it will look much like it looked against the saints. Saints came out in that second half and they sent the house regularly at jalen hurts and at times they got malcolm jenkins flying. Begala deals trying to set up a screen and that broke the play third and nine scramble for away punt. It's not a very sustainable way to play football but at times you throw six jalen hurts gets outside of pocket without getting hit let alone getting tackled and guess what you're playing cover one behind it. You got four players. There you know is on receivers with their backs turned. You got a safety thirty yards. Deep blue cardinals not only are one of the blitz heaviest teams in the league. They are also one of the heaviest man coverage teams in the league right now. The cardinals are running a cover. One man free at the fifth highest rate of any team in the league behind Jacksonville the patriots falcons in the lions a which is the play that i have outlined exact right but the and when you run that against daniel jones. What are you telling jones. You're gonna throw your. I read anyway. Is your daniel jones. So we're going to muddy luck and press your receivers for philadelphia. Jalen hurts is largely. I read passer when he's in the pocket off of one game sample. You're gonna be able to do the same things your problem is. The eagles have with something. The giants didn't which is the rollout game. So you're you're undergone and you've got on sprint out right like he's already leaving the pocket of you blitz the correct side. Good you're free rusher if you blitz the wrong side. You've got three dudes trying to cover massive expanse distance against you'll hurt so again when you take second level players out. In order to bliss them in jail gets outside of the pocket. That's no longer and eight yard gain. That's a twenty five yard game right. Look at that then. Two minute drive against the saints. They're playing cover one and gm her said i will run this ball the two minutes i do not care. I'm good at best. I can get out of balance. So is the cardinals defense that that system is it to the eagles benefit i. I'm not. I don't know. I think they got some athletes. I think they're gonna be able to spy jalen her finger going to be able to. It's going to be racist to the corner. If you can break that tackles going to be big gains. So i think it's going to be explosive. Changes in offense. I think that you're gonna get three and out drives with the eagles look totally dead in the water and then i think you're gonna get drives. The eagles pick up twenty five yards off aren't early and then they get two or three hours and there'd be times you get two or three plays in a row. I said after the game when you look at hurt his heat charts when you look at his scrambles runs that he just doesn't look sustainable. I think even if eagles get a good performance against the cardinals defensively. Pretty good. Defense from jalen hurts. I worry a once again. Come as a result of eight explosive plays instead of consistent management moving the ball down the field and they did that in the running game they had some of those long drive especially that i write once they got out of the script. They really lost ability So i i with a lawful. I go back and forth. I think that hurts is going gonna make some big plays against this defense. Defense is inclined to give it place pretty much. Anybody in his legs makes him a very good candidate for that but we should also expect some second in eighteen. I don't think gets out of this without taking the sack as he did against the saints. That'd be mad. Be quite something. So we'll see joseph's gonna come after him and hurts his level head as they comedies. Great mover and so he pulls this off and is able to make. Joseph pay for poor quarters would be an aggressive as on like any rookie ever because that level of shell necessarily just unprecedented. It's going to be a mixture to a little bit column a little bit columbia. It's not going to be one hundred percent. We're just gonna sit in the house. I mean maybe the majority of the game plan but we are going to see a little bit of both so that's good context to see. Well this could work. But here's why it might not and if it doesn't work this is what it looks like. So good context. Ben let's get to the official draft kings sportsbook lying on this game. The cardinals are favored by six points. The over under is forty nine. I am going to make you do math because twenty one point five twenty seven point five. You don't score point five. That's what that's what that's what the team totals. Are you wanna take under. It would be twenty one. I went to over twenty two by mr boulder boss mr k. Sorry so say that again because one point five zero seven point five so let's call it. Twenty seven twenty two now called twelve of actress. And then you go over or under so it was like okay. You think the eagles over twenty one point five or under channel five. I'm going to go under Am i ready. i'm just gonna put it. I'm gonna put it right at twenty i think. Jake elliott mrs atra. Point and garbage again am i. Am i willing to do this. You are you putting money now on looking at bus cardinals. They have given up fewer than twenty one point. Five points two times this year and it was to the giants most recently and to the page scored over okay so now with the giants. It's with the giants twenty. Six point cardinals. I'm sorry to twenty seven point five. I am going to go. i'm gonna go under. Actually i'm gonna go under on. I think it's a lower scoring game but still fairly close over under nat is more than that thirty four. Yeah i forgot about these frigging gas. I don't think you don't have the ability. Will you need to do with. Murray is not let him get his first luck on d. patterns right now. Let them get his sideline shots and like again if you live in zone. Okay but even then like there's no in the cloud so if you're going up you're single high. Uc mark aspect. Okay so this is one be one coverage on if you're trying to go to high which is dangerous 'cause then you're losing a number against the kyla. Murray running game was we didn't even talk about how difficult to deal with By they could work their screens off of that too. You're not gonna necessarily going to have. Yeah right actually and so you go to high will it number one. You probably got pulled Like if you're playing jails corner no riding mcleod you go to high. You're going to hire marcus. Absentee and cave on wallace that maybe allowing it may be the only way right safeties and then was and so. Then in the box you've got singleton riley and missing sean rattling the here of the saints game by the way best player on healed only reason. The eagles are one of the best plays z. Solid see made that play and he's on the bench for thirteen weeks. I want to die about that. Play real quick so people know what we're talking about because the saints had set this up for a while and somehow shawn bradley like read right so eagles ran a ton of of rollouts with jalen hurts giving him just hatfield reads very simple stuff. And we've talked about the smash concept here on the pocket before outside receiver couple yards and stop inside. Receiver runs a corner out right over the top of it. The saints were rolling out. Held writing this mash concept as well to just one receiver out. Quick stop in the flat and then the secretary runs the corner on top of him and they did it. Tastes milligan falcons. Did it against the broncos. They did it everywhere they include. They also did it against the eagles on that fateful forth in to wish josh white. Got the strip sack which allowed the eagles to drive down the field score essentially solved the remember. It was like seventeen fourteen. The saints felt like they were about to tie this game. Upper or or table lead. Instead of running smash with that corner ave to the sideline. they had a emmanuel sanders. Fake the corner and then work vertical into the post into the deep middle right and if you get a protection again tastes inhale on a sprint down. You know it's gonna be very difficult to chase him all the way down before this routes can open. If you get that post it's a touchdown it's homerun you know marcus. Apps is way to flat. Eagles are trying to run cover three. And they don't have. I think it's nickel robots nicaragua coleman to the top of the screen roby. Coleman's not gaining enough weight like they've seen this concept ten thousand times and they are sitting on it shawn bradley's the mike linebacker and so he's climbing tight end doesn't release so he's just climbing relative. The sanders cease sanders. Start to go vertical and just runs with him just sean by just sick Sixth round draft pick linebacker shawn bradley at temple. Just end. The rule is three right. Which is is going to allow bradley. Outside of his underneath responsibilities go hi with sanders when he releases vertical. And the fact that. It's a rookie. Like may gary would not have done this. I say it was so much confidence. Nate gator in the game over shawn bradley. A he wouldn't have tried to run with emmanuel sanders and be. If he did he wouldn't have been able to nest thing. Is the guy. The eagles would have started at linebacker. Were healthy in these shoes. May this planet you'll who've been down twenty one seventeen so shout shawn bradley. Making the best passing on the eagles linebacker make in living memory. And use the saints. So yeah so. You're gonna play bradley singleton riley and based on the sly dairy slash slash kvant seymour and michael j. Get on the outside. I mean this cardinals. Interior demons a line is to your office of line is horrible. So if you can't fletch. Hargrave and jackson should jackson have you can play but question ari should john navien like just all. It should be awesome. You shouldn't be able to run. The ball of the middle. Should be great but as you know again like we should just record me saying this important vodka. You can't take away the pressure he doesn't matter and you watch that that giant's game. The cardinals had three trips where they were held to two field goals by the new york. Giants number one because they're interior opens line was booty cheeks and they tried to run up. The middle of the giants have like a thousand defensive tackles that are better than their guys in there. Were able to stop him so if the eagles do win defensively it's because of that interior. I just don't think it matters when the back end for the eagles is going to be such a mess and it was already like. Murray is brady. It's not like the entire pressure. Probably murray steps in the bucket on every throw anyway murray's dove tailing all out of the bag of baga leaning over to his right anyway. I mean he's not his landing points aren't consistent on. There should be an advantage. A massive defensive tackle advantage but merge is to go thirty yard prayers to johns hopkins against whoever's on him anyway at least that's what they should do. They're trying to figure out how to get hopkins evolve more so it is to say you know when you're on your what string. Cornerback is this fifth and sex right. Yeah six corner. It's hard to cover geisen. Eagles fans should know that. We've been here before hashtag. All right. i want to go thirty. Four twenty was mine that i think it's thirty. Four twenty nine thirty four twenty eight. I think that a lot of points will be scored think janoris can make some explosive. Plays they find some deep passes. Well this cornerback. Room is in great on. So i'm excited. If he was often continues to look more explosive. Okay it can do anything right. Ledge generations some juice obviously run the football a pretty rough run defense missing jordan phillips Go l. for them It's tough to see them fully. Witnessing a cardinals team that needs this win has a as a week now to prepare for jalen hurts. Think that cardinals are a well coached team on defense answers but thirty four twenty nine. I think it's going to be extremely encouraging to see if they do put up those type of points and if jalen hurts his decisive and not fooled. A lot by cardinals. Defense that really. I mean i do think they score a lot but also like if hurts just looks battered the whole game like if you lost the whole game. If it's vance man like it is not. I know we said like the defense is not the one you want to go up with last week and that hurts. I'm great which is why. I'm not betting against. They're just four points but if he's bad against vance it needs a tough fast. The math beats. They're pretty frigging nuts In terms of what they do. It's it's a tough ask so second big test in a row for jalen hersal seattle guy. Does i hope he does well. The eagles win. Even though that's going to trust Cost them some dress. Lots whatever drifts. Four months move there with it then. Bad this point. Everyone's ruined for the eagles play offs. Because it means that you're stuck with me for another week as the season goes on. That's that's this is my son rooting interest. Thank you was always up listening to the kitchen. Saw actually here in. Bgn radio now that the clock has begun. Ticking we're thankful view that you came by have joined us not only this week but all these years. Eagles cardinals. Four zero five on fox. Keep to leave and brandon gaudin gap garden garden on the call either way. It sounds like brandon cowan. And that's fun because branding out in interview. Brand garden on bgn raiders. You can catch beal interview with the upcoming play by play announcer for this game here on the field. And if you do the makes you subscribe and listen and review on whatever apple podcasts. He's been my kids on twitter at michael kissing. Nfl that's k. 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Babes On Broad #57: Why It Sucked & How to Move Forward

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Babes On Broad #57: Why It Sucked & How to Move Forward

"Welcome feeling to your favorite sport. Chainsaw breath postive jesse town and sam. Well they're smart. They're sexy and they're all thanks and we hope you enjoyed the show. Hello and welcome into episode number fifty seven of zone broad. I'm sam wilson. With my co host jesse town where the babes broad brought to you by espy nation and bleeding green nation. The eagles finished their season with a controversial loss to the washington football team. They finished four eleven in one for the season their worst season since twenty twelve. Which was andy. Reed's last season ironically. Because he's the riding now right It was their second time winning. Only four games in the last twenty years suggests we were what five when that happens the last time they won less than forty s they went three and thirteen and nineteen ninety eight which gave them the second overall. Pick to be able to draft on so we are three cheese. That's exactly true. Before the game started more news came out the more report that carson wentz relationship with doug peterson is fractured quote unquote fracture beyond repair quote unquote. We'll get into that so what we're going to get into today. I we're gonna go over our three. Why this season sucked so badly and break that down a little bit and then the second part of the show will go over some moves that needs to happen going forward to even try to fix this team and how long it will take to kind of recover in some kind of sense so just real quick. What are your three reasons for their terrible season. We just witnessed. So i'm gonna go three two one on this one because the the the number one the true number one in some ways so my first the third reason. I guess why i think this season kind of went. The way it did is failure. Make adjustments and making adjustments. Too late I think you could see a lot of different circumstances that you ever everything really was kind of just too little too late and i think that was kind of perfectly put on display a little bit during the giants game on earth. Excuse me the washington. Football team game on sunday in the fact that obviously come out before the needs of that was going to get playing time. Carson wentz wasn't going to dress yada yada yada. We'll get into that whole mess. Something as simple as it should have been jalen hurts playing the first half and then he should take him out the half and it should have played. Nate's velde for the entire second-half two minutes into the fourth quarter. The sit jalen hurts like it's just these decisions made way too late. Adjustment adjustments made not either not at all or or too late in games on the season. you know games like the the baltimore game come to mind where adjusting some things in the offense a. It was just a little bit too late. So that's my third reason to is doug game plans. There was not one game. This year were his game plan. I thought was was dead on attacked at opposing defense. The way it should have Or and I thought the way he he's offensive scheme. It seemed like he was being arrogant in the confidence in his offensive scheme and not really catering it to the strength of his players. I eat you know. We drafted jalen reagor for speed. We didn't really see that at all at all not utilizing a guy like miles sanders. Heavy in the first half. Don't see him in the second half and you know we've talked. We've beating a dead horse at this point talking about rolling carson out of the pocket etc. What happened and that kind of goes back to my third point with adjustments too late because then you know once you defense figured out what they were doing in the first half they were terrible in the second half of games throughout the season that was even true with jalen hurts so he had a great game plan to start. Everything was going well. Another team adjust you. Don't also adjust and they're your game plan you know again arrogance and your game plan and my number one reason the reason. I mean honestly. I think he's responsible for global warming at this point. Now is my number. One reason. Everything that every gripe i have with the twenty twenty philadelphia eagles can somehow linked back to howie roseman. And with the out howie being the way he is making the decision is i mean i think the season is is good. But it's definitely not not as bad as it was so number one without question howie roseman. What about you know. So i agree. I'll pick up right with that. My absolute number one and i'll get into it even more when we actually start. Ranting is howie roseman because obviously every single thing that we're going to say probably throughout this whole episode ultimately goes back to harry roseman. So how could you not have a man like that as your number one when everything is linked back to this one thing and somehow he's safe for some reason on my number two is coaching because dog had terrible play calling all season long. He had very questionable decisions with two point. Conversions going for the tie against the bengals which at one point kind of looked like it was smart but then obviously by the end we prevailed and we're proven to be right and then who to make active each game that also was very controversial. The hold time which also ironically has to do with how ace cosily but ultimately dog is far from being the great coach that we thought he would have been. He doesn't even look like that super bowl coach anymore. And then i just think he's kind of just masked by it all because howie roseman problem but obviously not the main problem. So he's my number two number three just kind of kind of ultimately goes down to the injuries and poor play of everybody on the eagles. they're always injury prone but this season they got hit. Hard out of the gate with brandon brooks andre diller. Sean jackson got hurt early lane. Johnson was questionable with his ankle from the beginning so there were just so many injuries that set them back from the start and then injuries that happen throughout the season like art. Sanders got her more. We're all out because of injuries that happen throughout the season so it was that constant switch and is kind of had them all started were prone to failure from the beginning. I'll say yeah. Yeah and and they were. They were set up for failure honestly and i. I think one of the funniest parts kind of about the anger that people have that haven't watched the eagles. All season from sunday is oh eh. This goes to your point about like the question. Two point conversions. Like oh what. Why would he not go. Take the point there. Why would he go for it. You must be new. You must be no here. This is a question we've had for the last seventeen weeks. We've talked about this every week since week. One does not make the. I don't know it's a great point. People want to come at us and they're like oh clearly they're tanking because the terrible coaching decision. No been trying to tank this little season from the very beginning and none of us knew at the. Yeah but i mean. I mean ultimately it's the truth i mean everything. Our number one is is really where it is and ultimately no matter what yes. They were questioned watson. There were injuries. Yes the end. Game adjustments were poor or non-existent but ultimately everything comes back. To howard rosen Everything that went wrong with the entire year of twenty twenty in reference to the philadelphia eagles start with how goes man like it. Start with the draft not listening to his scout right like it's no secret at this point. Everyone wanted justin jefferson. Jeremy chinn they could have had them both and how he decided that he was his little man complex was gonna take over and he just grew astronomical ego after the super bowl and thinks he knows best even though he has no football knowledge whatsoever. I mean he went to law school like he's a lawyer he he's not a football guy so all he did in the draft was not legitimate linebacker. Which we haven't had since he let jordan. it's walk door chose the wrong wide receiver. At this point. It was the wrong wide receiver Because the current wide receiver that we have instead was on twitter in the locker room after he was out with a concussion. In the middle of the game He did show up the offensive line at all. He just brought back jason feeders and he took a quarterback for absolutely no reason at all and the quarterback situation really can be attributed to two things one either the eagles saw something from the time carson got knocked out of the seattle game and the draft. That made it how we think he that made me think he wasn't the got. Well then how. He's be idiot for giving him a contract or there was nothing to be seen at all. And how granted a quarterback because he felt like it which also makes him knee idiot so fast forward to the season. No one plays well because the roster is garbage. The offensive line is terrible and oft-injured miscues hor game plans missed tackles miss grows turnovers drops sacks you name it. It happens but now like now where are we. You know like everything goes back to. Howie literally goes right. Back to howie roseman. And i can't stand that man. How we roseman below jess blows slow. The only good thing that people could ever say about him was that he was capped wizard and even now it might have been true for that super bowl season. We actually now. It shows that we thought it was true for that super bowl season. The only reason it worked was because one. We call lightning in a bottle. That's the main reason and two. We spent money on old players for one season and promised to pay them for years down the line whether they were still here or not. Obviously since then how has just pushed back money from them from currencies seasons to the future without building any solid roster without drafting even remotely decent with. You can't push money into the future if you can't draft yes. You can't do that you can't do it so you where are we. Now we're talking about carson wentz's future the future our franchise that you know. It shouldn't be a question right. And it's only a question because of howie roseman. but we're talking about carson's future and the future of the locker room because now there have been two articles that have come out and said that carson wentz wanna trade slash what you mentioned earlier. His relationship with doug peterson is quote fractured beyond repair. And then obviously everything else going on with the players about being pissed about sunday there were confrontation on the sideline. All this mess and jason chelsea's clarification today in all that. There's no reason that we should be here. And my is that we again. We are here because of howie roseman. So all these different articles all these different things that are coming out. It's all about. Doug peterson it's all about carson wentz it's making carson wentz who is one of easily the best types of human beings to be on this planet like the kind of person carson wentz is his character. That's the best kind of person there is so these articles are attacking that and for some reason the little weasel that sits in the front office. His name's not mentioned so in my opinion again opinion. This is my conspiracy theory. I've got to working conspiracy theories this is number one. My theory is this team source. Because schefter said that he was just throwing things against the wall his speculation. Yeah he's morton said. I have a team source. Well if you look at rob bodies articles well he didn't say anything. His agent didn't say anything. So who who else. Who does that leave my opinion. That team source is howie. roseman carson. Wentz said not a word. His agent has said not. A word. went is not distraction guy. He's not a mimi kind of guy. He's not going to be the one to causes distraction especially the morning four game regardless of how quote meaningless. It is so of course. It went doesn't know what he wants to do yet right. So he's gonna take time he's gonna think about it. He's gonna decompress ways options. Which is why. He didn't speak to the media the other day because no matter what he said it would be taken the complete wrong way people who run with it and it would make an absolute mess. Yup our knows. He screwed this draft up. He knows he screwed this team for the future. He knows that this mess is on him but because he's a snake and disregards other humans in just using his players mainly carson wentz and jalen hurts as pawns in his little game he knows the majority of the fan base prefers carson wentz. We saw jalen hurts is not the answer i liked. Jalen hurts as a player. he's not the answer he's not changing. What howie roseman has created. But he screwed it all up the easiest way to take the heat off himself league fake stories to the media paid carson is the villain so not to be the one to take the blame for everything because that he caused all these repercussions all he has to do is just trade carson wentz. Oh we wanted to keep him carson. Didn't want to be here. No this is on you. How he's a weasel and it. Everything comes back to that. He has screwed this team up for five years minimum minimum. Just one hundred percent and like you've said he's the literally the epitome of a weasel and it so obvious to me. I mean obviously we. It's just theories but how could you have this. These mysterious reports that people think are very credible so it has to be coming from somebody that has some kind of credibility and some kind of power. But it's not carson. It's not anybody close to carson. It's not his agent so it's clearly not a teammate. I mean if it was al sean like before would have been coming from non not the people you know what i mean so higher. It's just so obvious. And it points to him and then he wants to sit there and put all the blame on other people so he can just be bypassed the make however much money he's making right now and not lose his job and then sit there and say in press conferences like we saw on monday. Oh carson is our finger. We can't lose carson. I don't even know what it would be like. An arsenal wags is like cutting off your finger. You can't imagine it not being there. What but then you set him up and started all this you did and the thing if this theory is true right like let's just say for all intensive purposes that were right and this came from how he this is all howie basket. We're not just say were right as fans. You should be outraged. We should be outraged because if this is the case it's a giant slap in the face to us because he thinks we're too stupid to figure it out. It took me tackling to put this together ten so he thinks van mazes that stupid dude dude solve the blame right like everyone played like the game plans garbage. I get that but everyone else seems to be in the hot seat. Besides howie roseman the one who created it all. Yeah exactly. And that's the thing is harry roseman. It's so clear as we keep saying that. He's an absolute snake. But i don't even wanna hear the people that say. Oh it's just a business because yeah you're right but there's ways to be a successful business owner without being absolute scott. You know what i mean. An oxygen work environment. Yeah exactly and then there's also i mean it says something when former eagles like emmanuel acho who's like a big time great man. I love shows everything. And he's really coming out and when he even tweets and says stuff on his shows like hinting about how bad this front office is and how much of snakes they really are. I mean one thing that we should have known that there were snakes already when they treated players like brian dawkins and malcolm jenkins and carson wentz. Now and zach ertz. Now you know they're snakes and it's just disgusting and i hate that argument that it's a business because yes you're right but there's ways to be respectful business owner and do the right things and treat your players right especially when all those guys are just mentioned performed until they were stabbed in the back and thrown away absolutely and i totally agree with you. In terms of business like yeah in terms of numbers and revenue. It's a business. You can run a business without being a piece of garbage and treating your employees like trash. It's going to percents possible to not lie and deceive and to plant things and attack players character. That have done nothing but give their all to your organization and hundred percent keep talking about. It's a business if you do your job poorly you get fired. That's how it would be my job. Okay we'll no one has done their job. Worse than howie. Roseman literally create roster. That's nfl caliber. Clearly this one is not my thing with exactly what you just said is how roseman performed so bad and it wasn't like everything that the teams perform bad. Yeah carson didn't have the best season but that was because of other factors and everything that went wrong with this season is because of other factors but everything that went wrong with this season that was a domino effect in one off. Each other all falls back to howie roseman. Right at it so clear and it's just so obviously he's trying to do whatever little weasel schemers and whatever media things. He wants to release next that he's trying to push it off of himself and exactly what you said. It's so frustrating. Because he thinks were stupid enough to not see it right and what bothers me out is if he's allowed to do this and this is being allowed and he's not in any sort of danger of losing his job. That means jeffrey. Lurie is equally as much of a weasel at. And that's really disappointing to me. Because i thought as an owner jeffrey loria was better than that. I thought he was above a similar to jerry jones. And this is what this organization is started into. It's turned into the jerry. Jones dictatorship that the dallas cowboys are. I'm gonna one up y'all not and say it's the poor man's jerry jones because he's not willing to pay the money i mean it's it's i if you told me three years ago that we'd be sitting here having this conversation i might have. I don't know what i would have done. I definitely wouldn't believe you. I can't believe you're absolutely no reason that this i mean but i think the super bowl really changed these guys and they went to their heads and you know you said it and i think everyone said it. They call lightning in a bottle in terms of every bounce of the football ember everything just fell right into place right like everything just worked out. Nick foles is not a super bowl winning quarterback and even just in a bigger aspect of that team that won the super bowl so thankful we ever super bowl. I love that happened. They were by far not the best team in the league that year and that one hundred percent is because they got lucky and everything fell in the right place. And that's because that's what football that's how football is. I mean it's a one game elimination. That's what happens. Yeah but do not think. That you are some almighty. That caused this amazing thing to happen when no like. It's far from now. It's so far from the winning. Super bowl was the best and the worst thing that could have happened. In this organization it was the best thing for us as fans. It was the best thing it easily top. Three best things. That's ever happened to me as a philadelphia sports fan. It was the worst thing that could have happened to this organization in to this front office because now there's obviously all of these issues you know who am i going to say carson wentz was going to have an mvp caliber season if they draft jalen hurts probably not because of the way the rest of the roster looks and he just had an off year. That's fine but we wouldn't be having to have these ridiculous conversations at these ridiculous arguments about trade him. Benjamin jalen hurts draft another quarterback like we would have to have these conversations and it's just really kind of unfortunate that we're here but there are a lot of questions that we have to address going so we're gonna take a quick break when we come back. We're gonna talk about lots of exit defensive coordinator and everything else that the eagles have to address going forward. You're listening to the babes on broad on bgn radio. Welcome back into episode number fifty seven of babes arm broad. So let's look now at some big things that need address moving forward. There's a lot out is going to go on this offseason and i'm not very hopeful because they don't trust this front office as we just mentioned but there is a lot that will have to get in through the offseason with shows. But let's just hit on some of the things now just so on obviously jim schwartz. I don't think we covered it really because it happened right before i went on vacation. Yes so we. We didn't get a chance to random. Honestly didn't do a pre game show so it came out that jim schwartz. Obviously is is his his contract's up this year. He's going to take a year off contemplate retirement and it was. It really wasn't confirmed. And then it. He didn't get a chance to tell the players yet. And i think that's what he was waiting for but it got leaked before naturally but so yeah so that that kind of came out but even then the eagles still had confirmed it. I don't think jim had confirmed it until when they talk to. Bg on locker room. Clean out day. And he was like obviously. It was jim's last game. And that was like the first like real confirmation. That i had heard i might have missed something. Don't quote we on that but So new defensive coordinator is something that the eagles are going to need to interesting names. We'll we'll dive into all this but just to interesting names that come to my brain right away. Are chris rashard. Who was with the cowboys last year. And obviously that defense really fell apart without him. And he didn't coach in two thousand twenty wasn't retained as a part of jason garrett staff When mike mccarthy came in and then d'amico ryan's is the linebackers coach for the forty niners. Obviously doing very well. And if they're coordinator getting head coaching job he could be in line for their d. coordinator job but if they're coordinator doesn't leave he could potentially look elsewhere and he is someone who i would want to bring back to philadelphia and work with the defense here. I thought that would be pretty pretty interesting. Yeah no buzzers are interesting options. I don't even know who i would have yet because they were like. Oh bring corey unlim- back and i was like please. Nobody from the past. Nobody hires hires one's journal hires nobody from the past. We need a new clean sleep please. But now i have a theory on jay schwartz thing. I think i'll be to the front office and all the drama of this eagles and sees it's going down. So i think he kind of came out and said ou like taking the year off until he just Alternately doesn't renew his contract with the eagles gets an offer from somewhere else. And i feel like he would just jump on it right away. Yeah i think it keeps coaching twenty. Twenty one it'll be pretty obvious what happened. So yeah that's ears theory part two of today another one you know there's going to be significant changes to the offensive staff I would here will be an offense coordinator in place to be passed to be no matter what quarterback they keep has to be an offensive coordinator in place that we trust to do. Play calling because doug camp. So i was just gonna say. Do you think doug gives up play calling going for. I don't think he will want to. And i think that's gonna be a problem but he needs to. I think that doug peterson is safe until he objects too much to any changes the decide to make so. If howie jeffrey tell him you can't call. We're getting an offensive coordinator and you can't call plays and he says no then they'll say okay. We're going to get a new head coach to but do howie and larry know that much about the game. I think i mean. I feel like they just like dog because he listens everything they said. I absolutely nothing. Data needs cpa. Does definitely they need a new quarterback coach. Don one hundred percent press taylor has done over the last four years but whatever was it's not an even it's interesting because you could shifted around if they brought in a true offensive coordinator that's going to be playcalling and stuff. They could just move dog to focus on the quarterbacks blood. I don't even trust that anymore because he's done so poorly with carson in whether it's Hurts we trust them and really develop anybody. So yeah they definitely need to bring in a quarterback coach. See how that plays out again. Yeah i would say probably the only one that will be safe is jeff scotland. I think everybody else on the offensive side of the ball. A should be worried. I think everyone has a reason to okay. Yeah not deuce sorry. Yeah he can't go. Deuce should stay and jeff should stay if they get rid of them. I think it's probably just because they're not getting rid of or doing the proper things. They're trying to put blame on people and be like our. We did this one goal. Only one's gonna be jeff induced and then all cry myself. yeah and then it will see even more season. Yeah i think. I think anybody that was on the offensive coordinator committee. I think they're here. That needs to never be a thing in the nfl viru Obviously another question to be addressed. Who do you. Who who do you see. Is this quarterback forward like in your opinion so yeah down at different points but sitting here right now wednesday january. What is it the six january six. Who do you like. What do you see them doing with carson. And who do you think is the quarterback going forward. So what i want. I obviously have not been shy about it. i think carson is the best option to go forward with. This and i mean jalen hurts. Great quarterback and i hope that we could trade him and get a second round pick or something good out of it and he can go on to have a successful career somewhere else but i think that carson wentz is ultimately going to have the better career as long as he's in a good position and unfortunately i don't think that's here because of all the drama and because of everything. I don't believe that report. That came out that he wants to trade. But i think like. I don't believe in the fact that she came out and told somebody he wants a trade but it will not alarm me if that's in his head right now. I mean he's been treated like absolute crap this entire time since he's been here on by the fans by the front office by everybody the coaching. Now like everybody's going against him. And he just i would not blame him if he just fed up with it and i kind of think that as the like is the person making decisions i guess you kind of have to factor that in and you kind of hit on it when we were just talking. It's kind of like howie said that whole carson are finger like we can't imagine not having 'em here and it's kind of like he's saying that stuff and maybe he leaked the report about carson wanting the trade for the fact that he knows he will be damned if he just straight up let's carson deal because even though a lot of the fan base is auto carson because stupid reasons most of them i wanna believe or not and so i just. It's hard to many factors that go into it. So i think that it would not surprise me carson. Wentz out on it would not surprise me. Palley tries to force him out but make it look like it's not him. I don't think they could just straight up trade and because one it's going to hit the cat to are hurt the cat to it's a stupid decision and he would get so much eight rightfully so and it's just it's a mastered will need a whole episode just that down yeah Obviously i walk carson wife's to stay here long term but i completely. I think what's best for him is a fresh start and i think that it wouldn't surprise me at all. If that's ultimately what he decides he wants Because i don't think no matter what this these these members of the front office say to him. I don't think that there's any sort of trust at all since over words. Especially when it's coming from a weasel slum bag. Yeah so. I mean if i think if they tell him no questions. You're the starter. This is your team. I think that's what he knew what they should say. But if they say something. Like and i think he might consider staying but if they say to him. It's an open competition come august. You have to win your job. He's gone. He's as good as gone because he has proven time and time again that again. Like he just doesn't that's not conducive. That's not conducive to any work environment and again the people that are like oh. I will mug back to be a competitor. He is a competitor. But he'd rather you know and that's why he plays here the ball right because he tries to make up for everything wrong with this organization on that offense right. Did you see you. See the quotes from joel. Embiid the other day when they asked him why he is. They said he's you know you've been getting a lot better passing out of a double team and he said well. Now i have somebody that i can trust a pass to because last year i just realized i was gonna pass wall. The shot wasn't going to go in so it's easier to just do it myself. One hundred percent. That is what the organization for the philadelphia. Eagles is right yet. that is what they are. Because carson doesn't trust anybody because all they do is drop the ball run garbage routes and then i mean anything you can imagine happening. That would go wrong. Goes wrong so he just tries himself to make up for it now. I love that he tries to do that and put the team on his back in that way but also hurt the team in several different ways but again here we go. What does this come back to a legitimate roster. Being built around him. Not wasting picks on quarterbacks that you don't need it doesn't make sense honestly if they're gonna trade carson. I think they need to trade. Jalen hurts as well and they need to draft a quarterback and start over. That's my honest opinion. Because i think that first of all it's not fair jalen hurts what to everybody that still had. There's they've created this animosity towards him that this fan base will harbor especially if the team is going through a rebuild and is going to have a losing record for the next four to five years one not very jalen have to deal with that personally and emotionally to not fair to waste jalen career like that. So you need to draft a quarterback that you actually plan on building around but again as we've talked about before they have commitment issues when it comes to quarterbacks so they probably won't so no matter what they do. We're going to be having this conversation again in three years so i just think she's either way as long as i rose. Gm what about How a saying he regrets the quarterback factory comment even though you can tell so hard that he regrets now just because he's being crowned because he truly thought that and you could see that with how they treated carson hurts this year. I think the pr department said if they ask you about that. Unbelievably stupid quarterback factory comment. You say you regret it or we'll kill you one hundred percent now. I just think. I don't think in another choice but just say that i don't no he doesn't understand the game jazz right. I still think given that situation again. He would absolutely draft. Jalen hurts because he's an egotistical idiot and he would still screw this team regardless but it's like he knows he screwed this team up but i don't think he regrets doing what he did. Does that make sense. But that no one hundred percent. And i think i think a guy like him and his mind to because he doesn't understand everything is messed up is in his mind. He's like oh it's injuries. That's what really hurt us. I think he might honestly believe that. It's injuries and that's the reason this team so bad. And i think obviously jeffrey larry thinks that for the fact that he's not willing to part ways account harassment just yet. I really just want to win the lottery. So i can buy. It was fire alley. Yeah that's really what i would like to do and i said that my mom said something about the. There's like four hundred ninety mil- this week. And i was like with all together and if anybody wins were were buying needles fire up so with all that being said what your position. Are you drafting at number six if they keep number six. I still want you. Rj to be an eagle. So so i obviously there. It concerns me. Because i don't know if they're going to be there but one hundred percent. I also go wide receiver. In whether it's jomar chase or devante smith. I think i might be there at six one. Okay yeah and so. I would choose one of the other whoever there if they're both there. I know you're huge. Mar- chase i think i'm more a devante smith type but i to get my real answer. We'll do a draft show again four then and i'll do some real digging because now it's just like highlights. I've seen. I've never actually watched really each game because lsu bama besides national championships. But so i definitely want to look more at highlights and stats and all that stuff. Yeah i hung one or the other. But i definitely agree wide receiver number six. Yeah why does he wrote number six. I think either one of those guys don't think you'd go wrong agree. That's just that's just kinda out as but we're coming to the end of our episodes. So thank you for listening to scream and yell on episode fifty seven of babes on broad on. Thank you as always estimation bleeding green nation. Make sure you're continuing to follow all of our socialist because we will have another episode this week with a very special guest so you do not wanna miss dodd. All stay tuned for that and also do not forget to tune in for sixers pre game live thursday at six thirty four. The sixers take on the kevin durant lists brooklyn nets but also be fun game regardless. 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Eye on the Enemy #43: Eagles vs WFT Preview & Jeffrey Lurie Can't Be Delusional

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Eye on the Enemy #43: Eagles vs WFT Preview & Jeffrey Lurie Can't Be Delusional

"Hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to another edition of is on the enemy powered by espy nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host. John stolnis you can follow me on twitter at john. Stolas our last. I on the enemy here for the twenty twenty. Nfl regular season. Going to be talking with. Brian stabby editor for hogs haven espy nations washington. Football team site coming up here in just a few minutes. We will preview this sunday. Night's game between the philadelphia eagles and whiffed the washington football team game in which if washington beats the eagles as they should. They are the division champions for the first time since two thousand fifteen. So we'll get into some of the xs and os but more importantly we'll talk about the story lines the quarterback position in washington. And what we might be looking at on sunday night when these two teams do battle. And i've got six reasons why you should want the washington football team to beat the eagles on sunday night. So that's all coming up here in the next few minutes but first joining me to talk about this weekend's game a flex game to sunday night between the eagles and the washington. Football team is brian. Stabby he's the editor for hawks haven espy nations washington football team site. Also host of the colts of colt podcast. Which is the hawks haven washington. Football team podcasts. Are you can follow him on twitter at be. Stabby t. a. b. brian. Welcome to i on the enemy. How are you man. I'm good how are you. Thanks for having me you absolutely. It's good to talk to you. And i think it is interesting that this game was flex to sunday night. I wanted to start off with that. Because it's obviously this game doesn't mean anything for the eagles but it means a whole lot for washington and there's a obviously we'll know the The story with the giants and the cowboys by the time. Washington plays on On on sunday night. But it's so interesting to me that nbc would choose to make an nfc east game given the way. The division went down this year as its premium game in the final week of the season. This is the last regular season game on the nfl schedule. And it's washington football team versus the eagles. I just think that's hilarious. Yeah i think the nfc this year kind of became a bit of a meme there. Were you know up until like week. Whatever was fourteen fifteen when the giants beat the seahawks and washington be. The steelers was like okay. Maybe they are a little bit more respectable than than previously. I mean ultimately the winner of this division will have a losing losing record. But you know it's it's a division with with big time cities big time markets. It gets a lot of eyeballs so as a as silly as it may seem to have a six nine washington team go up against four ten and one eagles team. They have passionate fan bases. They know that it's marketable. And i guess you know if you're the nfl you're you're there broadcast partners okay. Well wool be able to say definitively one way or another that a who the division champion will be. Yeah after this game is over. So i mean i'm not happy about it because i like to go to bed early. Everyone's been off work Up until basically the day of or you know the the night before. Sort of getting back into the twenty twenty one but you know it. It'll be exciting. It'll be fun. I am looking forward to it. I'm dreading it. But i'm looking. I guess you know. Nbc and and all the networks. They love primetime game. Where it's a win and you're in the scenario and so that's what they've got with washington and i asked. Rj ocho at this question last week. When i had him on From blogging the boys when the when the eagles and cowboys were getting ready to play. The winner of that game really sets themselves up nicely for a see. A possible postseason. Berth with washington losing to the panthers and you could kind of tell there was that momentum that the panthers are going to give washington a hard time last week because of the quarterback situation so it really felt like as the eagles cowboys were getting ready to play that game that the winner would really have a chance to control their own destiny especially in the case of the eagles because they would be playing washington here in week seventeen. And obviously that didn't come to fruition for philadelphia but as we were talking about it. You know living in the northern virginia area here. It's been so long since washington. Football fans have seen a playoff game. They've had a team to to you. Know see you see them play into january and here they get a chance even though it will be with a losing record with seven and nine seven to nine right. 'cause the yes nine right now. So they'd be even if it is with a losing record. How much would it mean to washington football team fans to make the playoffs even if it is with a losing record in this division this year i mean you get a chance to go to the dance go. No-one no-one is deluding themselves into thinking that this is a great football team even a terribly good football team under any other set of circumstances. No team from this division is worthy of of ghana. Post-season you take you know the third place team the fourth place team. I would have to go back and check from the nfc west and they they run away with the nfc's this year It is just how the league structured You know you you kind of live with it. You play by the rules. That are set. I think for the fans. I've i've definitely gotten whiplash this this year. I think at some point. They were down in the dumps. Okay well we can basically forget the idea that they're going to the postseason like what sorts dispel this nonsense here i. Am you know one game at this point in the last week of the season. And you take it these opportunities for washington and their fans have come so few and far between that any opportunity to be there is one. You cherish new relish. And it's been a hard year. I mean not not even to mention the onfield stuff but off the field. It's it's been a hard year. I think for a lot of people to be fans of this team. And they say winning cures all. I don't know if it cures everything. But at a certain point you kind of have to compartmentalize everything that's going on and contextualized arenas going on and say all right. Would i rather they make the playoffs. The not even if it means okay. They're they're going to go up against the team with a significantly better record if they get there. Yeah i mean yeah. I take it. It would be exciting. I this it's been a rollercoaster and it would be something where you don't you. Don't say oh well we get a better draft pick if they lose out and it's like well you can't have you had years of that you've had years of better draft. Picks by by ops rights. I would say that to say. I think the i think the fan base has just lost their taste for that picking number three number four. I think they'd rather see a playoff team. Yeah these come so infrequently. I was talking with brandon earlier this week and and he was pretty down in the dumps. I read his eleven things i think. Peace and i was like man. You guys have made the playoffs in the last three years. More than washington has made in the entire last decade and to be. I don't. I didn't want to say like you're spoiled because you know i get it. But at the same time like when success comes from football perspective it it does stand out because whereas historically the the norm the expectation was successively rules. That era has long gone. And so you take what you can get. Yeah and i think we're eagles fans are coming from is it. Feels like an opportunity with squandered these these last few years with stupid decisions and that just cried gets at you. I mean i it would be one thing if you know. They won their but we also as eagles fans had been saying for years. We win the super bowl you. That's all we'll ever need you know. And every everything's great from from that point on and here we are three years later and we're looking at one season out of the play offs and it. It is pretty depressing. You lose a little perspective. There's no doubt about it Let's talk just a little bit too about about sunday. But i do want to transition back to To to the future as well in just a minute. But i want to get there by going and talking about alex smith because i think it's the best story in football this year. What he's been able to do coming back and starting the year as the third string guy. I never thought he'd see the field given everything that went on with his leg. Almost dying from an infection. How long it took him to come back what he's doing a miracle there. There's got to be a movie made of this at some point in the next few years right and you know it's been reported today. That smith was limited in practice but took some first team reps in team drills so It looks like there's a chance that he could play on sunday night. And you know if you've got alex smith and you've got tyler heineke as your two options here. It's pretty clear which one is is is the one that washington football team fans are hoping for. But how much has alex smith. The alex smith story. How important is to washington winning this game on sunday night against the philadelphia eagles. I think they have a chance to win if he plays and i don't know that they do if he doesn't. I think it really comes down to that. They'll they'll name the comeback player of the year after him for what he's done i mean he's not gonna get the he's not just going to get the awards there. They should name it after him. I mean you're right. He he almost died when he came out. Went of i when he made the roster and was like. Oh wow that's that's kinda surprising like you know they. They kept three quarterbacks. Little did we know you know what would what would why they would have needed to do that. His his story you know he. He came in midway through the year. And i felt nauseous. Oh yeah i was terrified. And i believe and i don't want my bonafides my credentials to be question here. I believe it was against the rams and in the first series he was out there. Aaron donald like had his entire body weight on top of him and i thought it was going to bomb. It was horrifying. Because i was regrettably was watching the game when he snapped a leg. Live it was it was nauseating and you know the idea that he was able to even walk again let alone play. Football was was remarkable and so to see what he's done this year. I mean it's it's pretty breathtaking. The big part of me is like okay. You've you've proved everything you need to prove. Some guys just built different. And i think alex smith is one of them and i think of alex smith is is playing the whole year. This team washington probably finishes with a winning record. Most of their most of their losses Especially you know against carolina. They they win that game against carolina at least finished with a five hundred record if alex smith is playing. And i'm i'm assuming. Washington wins the game on sunday. Because i do feel like that's kind of where things are headed. I'm not sure who. The eagles are gonna play on sunday afternoon on sunday evening on their on their own side of the ball. And that's that's gonna be a a thing for washington and for whoever wins the giants cowboys game to keep a close eye on who the eagles are actually going to suit up for for this game. That means nothing to philadelphia. But so you. You've got alex smith here. But he's obviously not the long term solution. I mean who knows if he's even the next year solution you know and they. They released dwayne haskins. Which felt like. I was having a discussion about this with somebody the other day who is also a washington football fan and couldn't understand why they just released him and i said well you're not gonna trade him. There's your past the trade deadline. You're gonna you're not gonna get anything for him in the off season and there's just there's no sense having him around. What kind of disappointment level is there. Dwayne haskins i mean. Did everybody kinda give up on him even coming into the year. Was there still some hope that he might be able to figure some things out this season because it's not like he's a third round pick. This guy was taken early in the first round a couple of years ago he came into the year as the star was voted team captain by his teammates. So i think the expectation was that this season once. They made the determination that he was going to start. And that was fairly clear from early on this was going to be a evaluation year. Really i think it was supposed to be in evaluation year up and down the roster and when they sat him i think more people were mad myself included and questioned the decision because with the context of being an evaluation year. It seemed like you were hamstringing yourself because then will then why you feel like he's not capable of being a starting right now. We wanna keep him around. It seemed it. Seemed like the right decision would have been you play him. And if he's bad and it sort of seemed like ramadan didn't want him in the first place didn't want him in the first place. It seemed like really. It's come out. The only person who wanted him around was dan snyder. Yeah if he's bad. Then ron rivera's proven right and they can clean. Make a clean break and you have the tape to be able to justify it if you show signs of improvement then great. There's something to build on but it. It appeared at the time to be a very ham fisted decision to start him than sit them. Ultimately it ended up being the right decision. And that's why ron rivera's professional coach. And i am not but there's definitely disappointment. I think what went wrong. Like can you explain what went wrong with dwayne haskins. He's not a very good quarterback. I mean it sounds time. Simplest explanations are the right ones. He never you know what what was what made him first round pick in the first place. He had a big arm. He played on teams. Where every single in college. Where every single guy on his roster was better than ninety percent of the guys who play against. When you're playing against university of maryland and minnesota and indiana You're gonna go out and entire maclaurin is your number one receiver and you know you are going to be on an offense that has six seven guys get drafted. You're going to go out there and you're gonna look really good which he did now. Of course that discounts the fact that they play michigan michigan state penn state. Whatever but dwayne haskins. And i. I believe dwayne haskins growing up in the area. He probably until he got the. Nfl was the best football player he ever knew. And so when you're the best player you ever now you knew that everyone around us telling you that and you start to believe it. of course you're going to believe it and you get draft first round your so. All these things are sort of building up and then reality hits and the reality was that he wasn't ready. I think certainly he. He was not put in a position to succeed. I think he would have been better suited to not played at all last year to have sat and watched and listened and learned. He was unfortunately put into a position where he had to play. Didn't play terribly. Well occasionally saw glimmers but like it was clear he was going to have to learn for a while. Then gets they make the call. We're going with it right now and I don't know that that was the right call at all at that point. Do i think that under a certain others. Under another set of circumstances. I think that he could have had a career in washington. But at this point it is unclear to me if he's gonna have a career in the nfl at all. I mean i don't see maybe he's a backup someplace to start off and maybe he gets another shot kind of like. Rg three is csm action with baltimore. But you know it's It's a dicey situation for a still a very young guy you know so. See what kind of see where he lands. And you know that is. That's not even to mention some of the off the field stuff and my take on it is that he is still learning and growing sort of not just as a football player but like as a human being and guys mature at different levels. You're a function of your environment. And if we're saying that his environment is that he's been held up on this pedestal. You need to learn to be able to adapt to different set of circumstances. I hope he does well somewhere because it would be a shame for him to grow up in the way that he needs to but have it be too late to be able to maximize on his skills. And i right now. It sort of feels like if this is not the wakeup call that he needed then it may not happen for them which would be a real shame everything that could have gone wrong dead. I mean we can talk about xs and os with this game on sunday night. But i don't really there's not a whole lot of a point to that because again. I don't know how. I don't know who the eagles are going to be suiting up. So i mean you might see a defensive line that is mostly makeshift. Guys and washington has so much to play for philadelphia. Really doesn't have anything to play for and that doesn't always mean the team. Something to play for is going to pull this thing out. But i look on the eagles defense vs washington offense. I think alex smith can have a lot of success against this banged up beagles secondary which really flat out stinks looking at the defensive side of the ball for washington. I i love chase young. I mean what a great pick that turned out to be. He's been as good as advertised. And i really. We think all of us at bleeding. Greenish have been saying all year that the washington defense is probably the best overall unit of any team that any team has in the nfc east. They're fantastic defensive unit and when you've got a defensive unit that's that good how far away is washington from being legitimately good football team. If you've got a defense like that in place what is what does washington need to really take the next step and be a quote unquote good football team the nfl. I mean the eagles are prime example. This it gives and it takes away. You know the eagles what three years ago. A super bowl champions and right now. It's it's clearly not going the way that you think and every year some team seemingly goes from last division i in the division the following year. So it's like you know to say. Oh it's a game of inches. It's true Washington's defensive line. I agree i think is the probably the best position group in the leak. The fact that their fourth best defender right now is jonathan allen. Who you know. He's been playing out of his mind. Magnier sweat has kind of quietly. Become one of the top defensive lineman in the league. I do think that chase young is going to be defensive. Rookie of the year this year. And we're very lucky to see it. It's like it's a lot of fun. defensive secondary you know still could use some work but really the weakness right now is at the skill positions on offense Tear maclaurin. i think is fantastic. He's really shown himself to be a really good capable wide. Receiver that i think would be starting and potentially be number one number two on any team in the league after that. The drop off is It's pretty steep steven. Sims can go and catch balls but you know the the the positions that they need for guys to be able to go out and win games. They're not the not talented enough. At this point. The offensive line has made. Lemonade out of lemons. Yeah they're not all that skilled either as a group. I think real. We're talking like bottom of the barrel type guys who have played the best. They can i think there's still people around here loving on antonio gibson at tailback. I still think that there's room for growth there. We could definitely use another tight end. Logan thomas who was a college quarterback and has gotten better basically every single game. This year is is getting there. But he's he's not in the top half of tight ends in this league. And alex smith is a for now is a quarterback who can he won't lose games right by you. Don't feel great that he's the guy to be obviously not a long-term solution. That is a huge question. Mark in the future and i mean it's even huge question mark for sunday if he's going to be able to play if he plays how healthy is he. I don't really know So the the distal. The difference between six and nine and nine six right now is minimal. There were a couple of games where you know washington losing to the giants by three. Because they opt to go for a two point conversion with kyle allen just just you know he just didn't have the sense to run for the pylon and win at the end they lose to the lions by three points the following week and then they real all four games in a row and that's like a classic washington football fan response while we were so close. We were so close. But i think usually end up with the record that you deserve in the long run and so for washington if they can go seventy nine the get in the playoffs then people will be pretty stout. Yeah and it's a step forward. I mean especially given where they finished last year where they picked in the draft. You can't look at anything other than a step forward. And that's what washington really has needed is some positive momentum moving forward they haven't had any positive momentum over these last few years so So as we look to sunday night you know again. You've got washington team. That's got a playoff spot right in front of them avenue. It's been two thousand. Fifteen was the last time they went to the playoffs. That's correct yeah. So i mean it's been five years since they were since they made the postseason. Obviously the fan base is dying for it. It's in philadelphia but there won't be any fans in the stands to the home field. Advantage really doesn't matter a whole lot This time around. How do you see things shaking out on sunday night. I think i think washington will win. I think it will be close Washington has been in this situation before not all that long ago. They had an opportunity to clinch a post-season spot in week. Sixteen and then didn't get there and then lose to believe the new york giants in week. Seventeen on a brutal kirk cousins perception. We've seen this. We've seen this before now. Conversely in twenty fifteen they also had to win to get in against the cowboys in the last week regular season and they did they. That was their lost their last playoff. Berth you're right. I the eagles. I think there are questions about. Who's gonna play. We know that there's the the no hat rule that they they have a lot to play for in terms of their pride defending the home field. A an eagles win all but gives a division championship to the cowboys. The players aren't thinking that way. Certainly they don't have those same emotional responses. I think we as fans i. I think it's going to be washington. This year has found a way to make things harder than it needs to be yeah Just in every way in the sense they've they've made it harder than it needs to be. They have not scored on their opening drive a single time this year. Not once it's their first. Half plays is really pathetic. I wanna say if they come out fast and strong and they play well then they can win. We haven't seen it yet though I expect a fairly low scoring game. I think it probably is a one score difference. But i do think that washington can pull this one out and i'm going to hate myself if if i've gone on record for the second time in a row but neither here nor there yeah i get you and you know another big question. Mark in this game is jalen hurts. What kind of what do we see from him in this game But i think it against that washington defensive front and given the shape that the eagles offensive line is in. He could have another tough day on sunday night the way or evening on sunday night the way he did last week against dallas. Well folks listen makes you are. You are reading. All of brian. stabs work at hogs haven. That's the nation washington football team site. Checkout his podcast. The cult of colt podcast and follow him on twitter at be stabby s. t. a. b. b. e. bryan. Thanks for coming on on the man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me well up next. I've got six reasons why you should want the washington football team to beat the eagles on sunday night football. That's coming up next here on. I on the enemy and we're back on eye on the enemy so i promised you six reasons why you should washington football team to beat the eagles on sunday night but before we jump into all that either peace out on bleeding green nation It'll either be out by the time you hear this or out very soon after you hear this and you know as i was thinking about this football team and where they are as we finish up a pretty dreadful twenty twenty season and we look at. What's coming up here over the next year. Two years three years and this offseason in front of us we. Everyone's eyes should be focused on. Jeffrey loria right now and this is what i wrote about. Leading green nation dot com the entire future of this football team really hinges on a single decision. I think that jeffrey lurie needs to make an jeffrey. Lurie is the only one who can make it. We will see whether or not. Jeffrey lurie truly is looking at the situation. With clear is we will see whether or not. Jeffrey lurie is delusional. Or not based on what he does with howie roseman. There is no way you can look at what has happened with the philadelphia eagles. And think that you can move forward with howie roseman. The the eagles are ten in one right there. Nowhere close to being in postseason contention. There's a multitude of questions that this team has to answer. And they surround howie roseman louis conciliatory and most trusted adviser will he stay on his. Gm doug peterson. The only coach in franchise history to win a super bowl. Will he remain. We'll the offensive coaching staff that was thrown on. Doug peterson last offseason. By jeffery lori. Will they will they stay or will change be made there to. Is it time to move on from jim schwartz as defensive coordinator and who will be the team's quarterback in twenty twenty one and beyond and there are so many more questions on top of that but the smaller questions facing this football team cannot be addressed until the larger ones are tackled and the biggest one is the future of howie roseman. Let's the two thousand seventeen super bowl team is not walking through that door anytime soon. This is an expensive team. They're seventy one million dollars over next year's projected cap. They have failed miserably. At selecting high impact players. In these last five drafts all of them under roseman. The coaching staff has failed to develop those players and they have to share some of the blame as well. But it's clear that it's going to be difficult to rebuild this roster with so much. Money kicked down the road to aging veterans in a franchise quarterback soaking up thirty four million dollars in cap space next year that appears to have no real future with the club and i look at where the eagles are right. Now as they approach this off season. And i look at where the philadelphia phillies. Were the baseball team. Just across the street where they were as they entered this offseason and as many of you who listen to this podcast. No i also do podcasts. On the phillies affiliate podcast called hidden season for the good fight And i have talked. We talked a lot about the shape that the phillies were in. With general manager. Matt clinton a a general manager who didn't seem to know what he was doing right and whether it was a nation of bad luck and bad decisions or whatever it was the phillies were rudderless. They didn't they didn't know which direction they wanted to go. They had no identity. They had no real future and team owner. John middleton recognized that there were major problems with the organization from the top down and although it took him a little bit long to make the move to to pull the trigger and start to and start to realize that major changes were needed. He eventually did so and they fired. General manager matt cleantech and broaden president of baseball operations guy who had been to who had taken three different franchises to the world series and won two world series with those franchises. One of them as recently as in two thousand eighteen with the boston. Red sox dave dombrowski is now in charge of making the baseball decisions and the phillies and their fans. Feel so much better about the future of the franchise because they have a guy in place making decisions who has a long track record of success and they brought in a general manager and sam fold. Who's an analytic guy. He fills in some of the holes. That dave dombrowski has as far as some of the new age stuff in baseball is concerned and so you actually you actually feel as phillies fans like the owner was aware of reality could could see with clear is what was happening with his franchise and went about making changes and so the phillies. Were not delusional. They recognize their faults and realized changes need to be made and in order for the eagles to get better jeffrey. Laurie needs to do the same thing. And my big worry. This offseason is that. Jeffrey lurie has his eyes closed and his ears and his hands covering his ears and is just yelling. La la la la la la. I don't see anything. And he's gonna keep howie roseman and allow this guy to continue making the same types of decisions that have put the team in the place where they are right now. I mean we only need to look at rose. Monds objectively terrible record of drafting right. We roseman has gotten the term cab genius simply by just moving money around and it's essentially what happens when in debt and you keep refinancing debt and pushing it further down and pushing it further down. Eventually you have to pay. You have to pay your debt. This is one of the oldest teams in the league with the least amount of flexibility cap. Wise is also a guy who has failed to supplement the roster with good young players because they have whiffed on a number of draft picks and really just a couple of the wide receiver picks in recent seasons j. jaw over decay. Metcalf jalen reagor over justin. Jefferson are the ones that are the most obvious. But trading up for andre dillard dillard going into next year is going to be the starter over my lada guy you took in the seventh round. He's made contradictory decisions. Drafting arcega whiteside. And then signing alshon jeffery extension. Drafting jalen hurts immediately after giving carson wentz a record contract extension. He's missed out on opportunities to add. Impact talent like deondraye. Hopkins stefan digs robby anderson. He's wasted trade capital on players. They failed to get full. Use out of girardi. Golden tate ignored entire positions linebacker and safety and overspent at others at defensive. Tackle the power structure inside. The team also appears broken. You look at what doug peterson has. And i don't remember any super bowl winning coach in recent memory with ownership meddling the coaching structure last offseason and essentially a defensive coordinator who is autonomous to the head coach. I i've never seen a super bowl. Winning head coach has little power as doug. Peterson has and doug talked about that a little bit this week. And he says he doesn't want to have a whole lot of say into personnel and that's fine. That's how he rose malaria. Sure sounds as though and it sure looks as though over the last couple of years. Doug peterson has had virtually no power whatsoever. And that's not to say peterson's performance should also be called into question while he did win a super bowl three years ago. The team's been in decline ever since he's failed to develop carson wentz although roseman and wentz himself share responsibility for that decline. He's watched his team start. Each of the last three seasons dreadfully slowly. His september october november record. The last three seasons are far below par to the point where they've had to rally in december each of the last three years and were able to do it this year and the eagles offense has become one of the most boring and ineffective offense during that stretch so if the eagles decide to move on from doug peterson i understand it. I still think doug's a good coach. But i will understand it if they want to clean house. But if you're going to clean house with with doug peterson than you also need to move out. Jim and schwarz's defenses are generally okay but his over reliance on the defensive line and an inability or unwillingness to play younger players like cave on wallace and shawn bradley and eljay fort over lackluster veterans. Like jalen mills. Nate gary vinnie kerry. How these guys become coach. Favorites is beyond me. And it's an infuriating trade. His refusal to play ford at middle linebacker. Last year was confounding and his unwillingness to adapt his game plan for the personnel. He has is maddening. And it's really hard to see. I don't see a whole lot of innovation from his defensive schemes. But no decision will alter the course of the eagles future more than what he chooses to do with roseman. Paul dhamma which is report on the security roseman has inside lorries. Inner circle wasn't surprising but it was deeply disappointing. Given all that's occurred this year to hear that monds return has never even been in doubt that. It's something larry has never even contemplated when you read something like that. It's terrifying because if jeffrey loria really is sitting in the owner sweep watching everything that has happened over. The last five years looked at the team's draft record looked at the list of things that i just went over with howie roseman and it. Hasn't he hasn't even contemplated making a change. They're the only thing that tells you is that the owner is delusional. I find it hard to believe. Laurie wouldn't even be comprehending the removal of roseman. I mean there was a poll in the village. Voice that showed ninety five percent of more than forty five hundred readers believe roseman should go and that's not to say that the owners should be making decisions based on what the public thinks. But this isn't even a close call. It would be delusional to think that the man who has overseen some truly horrific drafts these last five seasons would be allowed to chart the course ahead armed with a top ten and maybe even a top five pick at his disposal. Roseman has made mistake after mistake since the super bowl and it's impossible for anyone to find a reason why anyone should be confident that he will have the answers. Moving forward does lurie see that he has to write. Does he see that. Keeping roseman while removing illogical. What rationale would he use for running it back in twenty twenty one the pandemic. What rationale is there for bringing howie roseman back clear. The here's what needs to happen. If if you if you're fan of this football team you are desperately hoping that the owner has clear is because that is what is needed. That is what is required to fix. What ails this football team and right now jeffrey lurie's opinion is the only one that matters and if he believes that roseman possesses the qualities and expertise to lead the birds back to the promised. Land it will not be based on evidence or results because there is no evidence other than that magical to 2017 offseason. Where every free agent that. He signed every veteran that he brought in every trade that he made worked there are. There is nothing based on evidence or results or facts. That would lead you to believe that howie. Roseman should be given the keys to fixing this football team in order for the eagles to get better. The owner of this team has to look at the facts and make an honest assessment of what's gone wrong. Who's to blame and how to fix it. And that is by making a change at the top with howie roseman as general manager and folks. I hope that's where we're heading. This offseason and i think that all starts on sunday night against the washington football team. I really do think the eagles will lose this game. It's clearly in their interest to lose this game. But as i was thinking about it all three of the other teams in the nfc east have a chance to win this division washington. Dallas new york dallas in new york. Play each other on sunday afternoon. The winner of that game will still be alive. Should the eagle when the eagles washington football team play on sunday night and if the eagles pull off the upset the winner of the dallas cowboys new york giants game will win the division but there are six reasons why you should specifically want the washington football team to beat the eagles on sunday night and of course the the main reason is that it helps eagles draft position right now the lions at number seven the giants at number eight the panthers at number nine and the broncos at number ten all have five and ten records any combination of a win from those teams and the eagles and the pardon me a a A loss from one of those teams and the eagles winning would move the eagles back in the draft so the eagles could pick as low as tenth if they win against washington on sunday night. If they lose they could pick as high as number three. I don't think that's likely to happen. You're probably looking at the number five or number six pick in the draft. If the eagles lose to washington on sunday nights this is a huge game for their draft position now that the playoffs are completely out of reach now. That jalen hurts his lackluster performance. Last sunday afternoon dallas has completely muddied the waters as far as what this team will do at the quarterback position in twenty twenty one. Even a great jalen hurts. Game doesn't really make you feel good about anointing him the savior in two thousand and twenty one. Losing this football game is clearly. What's best for the philadelphia eagles draft position. And if you're an eagles fan. You should be rooting against your football team on sunday night. And it's gonna be hard to do but really this. This is an easy one. It wasn't as easy call last week against dallas when the eagles still had a realistic shot at winning the division really. The their fate would be in their hands if they'd have beaten the dallas cowboys last sunday afternoon. But now that's that's all taken care of. This team is not going to finish first in the nfc east. It behooves them to finish last and finished with as good a draft. Pick as possible. The second reason why you should want the washington football team to beat the eagles on sunday night is. I do think it would help jeffrey. Lurie face reality. And perhaps nudge howie roseman out the door at four eleven and one. You can't argue about what this football team is. I would argue. You can't argue about what this football team is right now. Anything else but does anything right on this game concerning the future of the front office. I think maybe it could get swept by the washington football team in the final game at home. You can't beat a washington football team. That has alex. Smith is their quarterback. And as much as i think alex smith gives washington a really good chance to win. He's clearly not a really good quarterback. The eagles i think saw from bed online. The eagles They were at nine and a half winds to start the season for betting purposes and they will have especially if they lose they will have finished walk further under vegas mark than any other team in the nfl basically they will have underperformed more than any other team in the nfl. This season and i would. I would hope that a loss on sunday night on national television with the with the announcers talking about how awful the season turned out to be that. That might help jeffrey lurie. face reality. And perhaps nudge howie roseman. Out of the general manager's office and and frankly keeping howie in place to handle cap stuff while you bring endorse see. That's not gonna do it okay. It needs to be a clean break if it's going to happen at all and that's an you know a loss could help. Maybe spur that on the third reason why it would benefit the eagles to lose to whiffed on sunday. Night is that it would hurt. Washington's draft position if washington wins the nfc east which they would absolutely love by the way they be picking in the middle of the first round in the mid to upper teens. Same as any other nfc east team however washington frankly of all the nfc east teams would probably most to benefit from a tough top five. Pick because dwayne haskins is out. Alex smith is not the future. And there's nothing else in the cupboard at quarterback so if they win they're going another year with a muddled quarterback situation in two thousand twenty one. They'll have their division title. They'll have their home playoff game which they will probably lose. And then we picking in the mid teens. Which is nowhere near where you wanna take. A quarterback and washington goes into next year with more questions a quarterback it does set them back long-term whereas if they get a top ten pick and maybe even a top seven or top six pick. I think they probably wouldn't be able to finish in the top ten. I'm not sure exactly where washington's draft position would be if they don't make the playoffs but it would be it would certainly be higher than if they win. You could conceivably take a quarterback so dallas. I think is all still set with dak prescott. They're not drafting a quarterback early in the first round. I think the giants are still feeling pretty. Good about daniel jones and the eagles do jalen hurts if they if they end up picking number ten and don't go with a quarterback. Washington is nothing at the quarterback position for twenty twenty one. Unless you bring back kyle. Allen and alex smith and alex smith still has something left next year they could most benefit from from picking really high in the draft of any of the four teams in the nfc east so winning the nfc east herts washington's draft position and and hurts their ability to really find a difference maker at the quarterback position next year number. Four it would prevent the cowboys from winning the division. And listen while. I don't necessarily want the cowboys to get high draft pick. I definitely don't want them winning another nfc east title. Even if they do back into it. I want to deprive jerry jones of that yes. I'm that petty okay. I want to see washington win the nfc east over the dallas cowboys. Because i don't wanna see jerry jones happy or pleased in any way shape or form number five it would prevent the giants from winning the division. And yes. I hate the giants more than whiffed to see them lose out as well. The giants could pick as high as number three though if they lose so that would be less of a reason but again. I don't think i don't think they pick a quarterback if they're picking number three plus if they win the division dave gettleman likely sticks around. Although i don't think he's going anywhere anyway but i can't stand the giants. They're slightly less than the cowboys. But i would rather see washington win the division than either dallas or the new york giants and the sixth and final reason and we touched on this a little bit with brian. Just a few minutes ago is the alex smith story. I mean this is the best story in football. And i still am terrified every time. He get sacked terrified. That leg is going to tear apart. I hope he retires this offseason. But what an amazing story. The alex smith story is i mean it really something else and can you imagine if he wins a playoff game. What the story line. There is just an unbelievable story of determination of fortitude of perseverance. By alex smith. I would love to see this guy. Go out there on sunday night when his team the division for the first time since two thousand fifteen when they make a disney movie about it. They're not going to mention the team's record. They're only going to talk about everything he fought through and now he on the last day of the season the last game of the twenty twenty season is alex smith overcoming all of those obstacles to win the nfc east for the washington football team. It's a phenomenal football story. It's a phenomenal human story that i would love to see. It's the it's one of the biggest reasons probably outside of it helping the eagles draft position. This is probably the second biggest reason for me putting a wonderful coda. Alex smith story here in twenty twenty and really it really will be the first good story of twenty twenty one but it would be a wonderful way to wrap up the twenty twenty season. What has been a pretty dreadful twenty twenty season in sports here in philadelphia and generally speaking overall But that those are the six reasons why as an eagles fan you want your football team to lose on sunday night against the washington football team. We'll folks listen. I'm recording this here. On new year's eve i have really enjoyed bringing you this podcast all season long. I hope to continue doing it into the twenty twenty one season and i know this has been a brutal year for for all of us. It has been a rough year. it has been a tough year. Not just because of the football team. But because of everything. And i really do want to thank you for listening to this podcast for listening to me yamen about the eagles all season for following me on twitter and for reading my stuff on bleeding green nation. And i know everybody else associated with all the podcasts and with the website really appreciate you guys being there for us breeding. What we right listening to all these podcasts and and being with us through a really really dumb eagles season a truly dumb and stupid eagles season. And we know you guys are diehards in that Hopefully this podcast and all the other podcasts. Kind of helped you get through it. But i do want to wish you guys a happy new year. Here's to better things in two thousand twenty one both for our football team and overall so thank you everybody for listening to i on the enemy and will catch next time right here on i on the g.

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At the Podium: Howie Roseman Conference Call

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At the Podium: Howie Roseman Conference Call

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But we do have a conference call with Howie Roseman as he spoke with various media outlets about the eagles off season including topics like the inactivity at the wide receiver position thoughts behind some recent signings. How the current restrictions going on in America will impact the draft process and tons more. Of course there are takeaways on this call up at bleeding relation DOT com. And I'm sure Jimmy Kamsky and Brandon League out and will be breaking this down on an upcoming. Bgn radio so check all of that out. So let's join Howie Roseman right now. From Thursday March Twenty. Six for his conference. Call with the media. That Rodney Rodney was really worked. Frost assign a half somebody who we can really can run the show back there and another year removed from the ACL surgery. I think sometimes when you look Rodney. He'd always doing his job. He's always in the right place and You know we've been very fortunate to have him and we're excited about game and taking on stuff forward also. His leadership ability gave them back to wasn't on foreign trough We feel like Jalen visionless player. He can really play Down in the box you can cover tied any oversaw receiver. Play out why you got range. He's played vision before or scouted deployed safety position in Alabama and. Then she fell issue So we've seen do that and his person. Hillary is mentality is something that we want to keep on the side of the ball Now moving to the corner position now the big move for US obviously Gary Way Trade An extension this is a guy and other guy that you know like we really No well one. We did a lot of work with coming out about him and Hargrave or guys that were kind of that you guys were looking at it at specific spots About the draft. We're down to two guys and making decision on onto guys and so we had spent a lot of time with him in the pre draft process Obviously being poached him Detroit drafted in Detroit and we have some guys from that stuff Wash Vert who within in Detroit as well Let's played with them so we feel like we know the buyer You know that helps kind of when you're doing this in and as opposed to arrange marriages that we feel like we know him. We don't mentality. There's a guy who can get the ball back for our office. He's really been in a situation where he's been left on an island. He's twenty nine years old Getting the contract extension done whereas imports. Haas's well really excited about bringing in And helping our team with them. What we did up front defense line. We can really help our back end as well. It all starts up front for how we want to build it And then yesterday founded a robot Coleman we've got mired from afar is mired his tally. He's explosives these quick twitch He's really competitive. Obviously yet he was with him in Buffalo. He's also with our on Director performance in La. So we gotta really inside good inside the house. This person player works one of the tools that he has his body and You know we really feel like guy from provides sticky coverage in the slot. And we're excited about getting him as we continue this region. Cross us but when you question that a lot of people have had and then we'll go to Mcmanus Max Age before yeah exactly. Hey how obviously you have an address. The wide receiver position in Free Agency. I know it's a really great draft or wide receiver. But there were a lot of guys. They're brought. Yeah how do you see that? What was your rationale on passing on those guys? Yeah the thing that we get now is we have all the information now after the that You Know Hindsight's twenty twenty so looking at some of what goes on now and the value prices of guys changes through this free agency prayed different than maybe what it was even a week ago so we don't have the benefit of that. Were making decisions on. Where Pisces on? Why are they going to deal with them kind of at the moment? You're making these calls so I think for us when we run into the first couple of days branch and the options that we had We felt like the quickest way to improve our team and we got. We wanted to improve a lot of areas on both sides of the ball. And we're trying to bond with maybe the opportunities available to Austin draft as well so I think that goes receiver position now. We had conversations with at all these guys that you've seen at the same time. I think we do you the vision. Maybe then that's different than that's probably view. You know. I understand where we work towards the end of the year. Who's out there? And we got to increase the talent level. Vote were also excited to get some of those guys back Who were not healthy. And we're also excited for young guys. Take another step now. That doesn't mean I'm we're done drafting that we're not gonNA profiting from mission. But you know we don't have the luxury of being in a vacuum and just looking receiver addition and we got a on a deal with the information as we get it and I think that overall were happy with where we are right now knowing that we still have others improves. Madison than How do you think the unique environments that everybody's operating and right now we as brings people in Will back the type of players that are drafted and how teams are choosing pliers and specifically the impact. Small school process. One of the things that were all came all so it's a level playing field so whatever everyone else is doing what We are as well vice versa. We're trying to do is accumulate as much information as we possibly can and just the one benefit we have right now. That guys are willing to work in dig deeper and spend more than ever on these guys and trying to figure them out but there are situations where guys in common because they were entertaining running at their pro day or You know you have a guy who wasn't invited to the combine in and maybe you don't ever have Kathy numbers on that guy so I think you're gonNA have to balance the risk reward in the draft process about For us you know. We like a seesaw bite. This objective an objective kind of match up and we feel really good about about that decision and when there's less on one side and you WanNa take out some of the risks. The sense that you can so I think as we go forward you attract meanings that some of the stuff as we look at our board that we're going to have to sit down and try to figure out because it's new head for the small little prospect. Do you think that there's going to be fewer than because well the small I think it depends on Trying to be the question but the guy go out the guy. Is The guy go to combine. Or is there any testing out there with that Guy But I think there will be some fact in terms of you. Know The guy and Jenny goto ballgame never cast it I think that that person may be attacking different one. Go Ruben that so many of your move seven the secondary he brought a new guys. You've resigned couple of your own guys. Letting Malcolm Go. How how. How conscious were you going through this whole process of we really have to revamp the secondary? And what made you? I mean it's really been the focus of all off-season What made you think that? And what did you see last year? And and and how big a kind of rebuild is it and I guess probably question is just where to Sydney missile into that picture and I parted are when You're watching games in the ball's getting run over at and you're also not getting an opportunity. You get the ball back. And that hurts the offense the defense and You know my all of you You're watching I'm watching it. And we're seeing the effect that has and the first way that we want improve. That is upfront and affecting the quarterback because these guys are so good and national football league that you don't get crush on them. Nobody's any of our cover for a long period of time anyway. No matter how good your secondary is so we wanted really combined on the back end now is a really priority by getting hargrave and adding inshore line allows us also to utilize other guys in different situations. For example. You Know Maliki Guy we can crush the pocket from the outside as well and when working the edge inside so he got some versatility. Got Brian Graham. Based on that as well. So increasing the diversity of our we have some young pass rushers on the outside to work sided about ten option. You take the next step you know it was interesting to watch is walking free agency and seeing That's from guys that we take on the offensive line them getting Getting aid and bridge letters comes Kelly drafted in the fifth or five. And so we feel like maybe argued and take the step forward as volume and blonde and do and that's not to say that Man Gone to that point because we had experienced tend to then in particular often Ryan and Stalin Dutchmen's job of getting those guys and and giving them an opportunity to go somewhere else and make a lot of money so I think the first part is that you're trying vine a free agency trademark with the draft tune in and try the best we could figure out what navy be available to us in the draft and how we can pitch things Of course not a perfect process. And you don't WanNa start reaching based on position but when we look at at the opportunity and in creativity to get some of our guys backing obviously lost a valuable Guy Malcolm to We felt like thousand quickest way to address it and give them more flexibility at some other positions that we still want to address Ruby us about Sydney in Seoul. No I think that They're different situations You know for us. Sydney is guy that he he really has to have the opportunity to have an off season where instead of rehabbing. He's really working on his body and coming into camp at because you feel like is the guy that only seen him healthy. He does have the skill set. And he's gotTa go prove it is now really Is His third year when we look at it buying because that first year and so it's time for him to go proven whereas we're soul house has a body of work have been put out there and so far he's just Kinda. She continued to work on it and competing and So I'd say they're probably a little different situations but they will go and Garo and then Like hey how I wanted to follow up on their fever question from earlier I understand you guys. Prioritize defend in the early wave of rage. I'm wondering why that was the preference over receiver which is an obvious this need and is there from brisk in waiting this long to address them this. I don't know you can fix everything in one off season days and I understand asking about a receiver I I don't know that it was necessarily that. We put or reference on fixing the defense than the offense I think that we try to accumulate as much information about what was available. Ta And what we could do and the PYRE so we talked to make a difference and where we were while he pulled the trigger on these deals it was. It was obvious with the information that we ask that. These were things on the team whereas where the market wasn't receiver position which I think has changed a little bit. You're in the past. Couple of days was different but You know I think when we look at where we are from a perspective. It's not really giving the sense of where we are going forward and Our top guys and Kagan Bryson a tremendous job with given a pass flexibility this year in case we were dealing with a thirty percent rule but We're trying to figure out ways that we make sure that we're not in a in a bad situation. Not only this year but going forward so You know I think that we're trying to balance all those things and when we look at it it is a priority of ours and make sure that we have weapons around their quarterback We feel really good about our tied up vision. We think we haven't had any national football league. We feel really good about a young runner. You'll really get better online. And we do feel like we do have some talented. We're here you know Obviously helping in the room is alshon. Alshon gotTa Get Healthy Priority For Austin. For him he understands. He knows what's being said about him. He understands that He's got a lot to prove and he's anxious to do that So he's not he's not living in a bubble you understand The Guy that we think is incredibly talented. Obviously only played one game last year. Another extremely driven and we feel like we have a good plan. Going Forward Sean. And how he's GonNa look and We'll draft again in the second round that last year and we know the biggest jump is year wants year to now. We'll see how this all goes with the off season programs but jake as the guy who drafted has some low body stuff that you see on Western allies fully healthy and he needs the jump and then Greg Ward. Obviously you show your those last few games and even in the playoffs that he's he's acquire you know he's got a great feel for route running right hand so i. I don't necessarily feel like the cupboard as as bears. 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Get Real quarterback play both positions typically running a lot of players in the new corner Vision how does over stability health utilizing laser ability to travel around the top red of the posing team the skill guys in this league coming all different shapes and sizes and so I think one we're looking for how many together at the fence we wanna be able to not only match up with The what you'RE Z. Version Watt but also the bigger receivers outside and the tight ends up become such personal weapons and they have these X. men powers that they can separate by size and by speed and even by separating at the top of the route that they have become as a running back to become guys that you gotta figure out coverage not the traditional way where you know. Steak and linebackers are covering tight ends anymore. You have to match up with you guys and so Being able to get as many guys who can cover and cover different Body Body hype is important to us as has kind of put it together. Jobs name with the most incor- pirate chest is being really strong. Upfront so That's kind of how we try to build it here as we loved it at the opportunities improve and Hopefully that that went and fought Jackson and Bob Brochure How getting back to the secondary and and how you re granted it's possible that you could have four or five of you know the main guys including nickel buying new agers vision. John's eight-year Von Dame. Lose the outside You know we we. You've been down the path before remaking secondary And you know it hasn't always turned out. Well why why do you believe the the time to get it right? I I don't know you gotta give me an example of the year that you're you're talking about specifically Because I think there were different. Obviously you know being a young GM coming out of lockout With a new coordinator I think is a different circumstance than having coordinator. Who's been here since two thousand sixteen with a lot of the guys in pain Say Talk about guys like Jalen or Roe v Coleman or slay these guys that Have a perspective of what we're doing you know second part about that is and I'm just not I don't know about the example. You're using Jeff but I. I'm just using that because I think when we look at it right now. What we're in is a a situation that's probably most analogous two thousand eleven and I think big differences. You weren't allowed to talk to your fires at all. There was no communication. Allow them and No matter what happens here I think we all anticipate that. Don't be allowed to communicate because we have a year and so you're communicate with those guys so I think we're up to two different start Because of some of the familiarity with that play when we were trying to make these moves I if I could just follow up a money you change though the evaluate vision quarterback being well-placed of the breed. Yeah I'd say you know going back to twenty seventeen and drop guys in the second and third rounds and now you're in the fourth year you obviously want them to contribute you know they don't contribute. Then you're dealing with situation where you have to go outside the organization. Now let's just. Let's be honest with Paul spayed spade. There's no doubt about it and I think when we're looking at at those guys Out just talking about Sydney We knew the talent level in college and we also knew that He was dealing with an injury. And we're taking on a guy that had a recover and we felt like if you've registered him we get in back to where that was and we've seen flashes of it but we've got more consistent with it and I think that Noses pivotal year harm to the off-season because last year even last year was rehabbing from something. So that's big for him then when we drafted for Seoul we saw the ball skills. We saw the light And we're looking for somebody who could get us all back For that position now I think that as we evolve year we've seen that If we can play more man coverage if we can play more sticky coverage that gives you more flexibility upfront to where maybe just don't have to rush born. I think Jim a better person talked to about this. But I think that gives you more flexibility so just as the game has evolved. I think that Harassed it's also evolved saw my and more with reshape these Will last couple of years and also have these who have some cornerback. Rounds Jalen does I I think you gotTA constantly evolving and try to look at some of the things you try to learn from them and try to be better because you're not gonna be a hundred percent in this business unfortunate. There will go. Bob and Vera facing us the already and then Possibly more they draft picks. There's some new coaches on the stab and and obviously limited off seasons for everybody. What can you do to? Can you talk about the challenge of dealing with that and having everything ready to roll by by opening day whenever that is and also what you can do to mitigate that or is it or is an advantage to to be breaking all these guys because everybody is dealing with the same thing on terms of working on what versus what everyone else in the world dealing with that I think is? It's the least amount of challenges you know. We're very fortunate that drying time he's doing something to work on it and it came about and I don't I don't want to put our situation in the same way about what you know. Millions of people in Ontario because We still have avenue bridge. You were still having a draft period. So we're all still communicating so Saying that I think that we're very fortunate Were able all kate with each other We've over-communicated that's always how nores Asian voters try to be collaborative about it And I think that at the end of the day that we just got a continued. That process We do have some new faces on our coaching staff. But at the same time you know offensively. We're going to be driven by folks. Peterson and he knew the on believable coach. So we have him. I'm defense teams. Were led by the same people who've been there since two thousand sixteen so you know we're not implementing new means Again we have a lot of players that are coming back. His wealth out the point talking about coaches. We have some new position coaches and I think that sometimes having new energy is positive now but I think when we look at it bubble perspective about where we are and what we have. I don't know that we have many moving parts as maybe some other nick. And then John Kerr behind Halloween I talking earlier about that will chung my valuating guys especially the ones work complex without buying. It looks like it's going to be more. We're grip the having draft favor of draft was. Yeah I I think that whatever the tells us the rules are we'll be we'll be ready to roll back. That's a decision that's made Over my pay grade and we've been spending a lot of times last. May really get hair for the draft and so Whatever they tell us to do we'll be ready to go Boeing and I know that these things aren't aren't made in evacuated. Can you just explain Willingness to give up the draft pop vision and The new contract play well not being willing to do that with with younger happen. Yeah I think Eh to Hopkins. One I get the hop on topic for for us I think that Again we also look at it from the perspective of the other team. What maybe their ASS is for us. Navy different depending on their valuation of players they get in trades or where draft picks are. So it's not always apples to apples and I'm up in Excuse I'm just saying the reality of the situation is that there are a lot of trade that you that we looked at and GM and say hey you know we talked about this. Why wouldn't you do for that? They'll say well I really like. Why are I like where this pickens or so? I think there's a lot that goes into it and were not always in control of results on that and then in terms of Of what we would draft. Yeah ideally want to give up any draft but when we look at the value of another fire yeah and what he was making over to your period plus the Dr Bags and plus some of the guys maybe go kind of looked at it. Okay you know. Here's the options. You have this guy this guy. Plus you're reading your pod or you can come out with it. And I've you know sleigh an harboring McLeod and parks and we'll be called and so when we look at that and the way to improve. Our team am where that goes from a resource perspective. You know that's how he kind of made a decision we didn't look at it just in a vacuum About kind of just no one for one we kind of looked at it and our your ear or assets or for resources that were letting go you know. What can we do with those resources? And and what do we think makes more sense than the team? Better not only this year but going forward and I think another part of it just on training for players. Also you know the difference about the new money and expanding guys and and then new money perspective. Who HAVE YEARS REMAINING ON THEIR DEAL? And and what that cost versus You know just ripping up a contract and I'm trying to be specific to anyone here because I don't WanNa get Hamburg charges filed but I just trying to get any more perspective domino and John Holland Yeah. How regarding the this year versus going forward question. You look around Lee jeans this clearly based on the largely on the age of quarterbacks are kinda making a Ronald solve here on on twenty twenty. I mean you look in New Orleans. And they don't have many more years of reasons so I don't know how much attention they're paying to the future You're in a situation where you're trying to win now and also the broader picture of Dang Legitimate contender the next five years. How big a challenge is that and and I mean right now the Super Bowl contender in twenty twenty of the biggest challenge that now we have and I personally have is trying to balance what we're doing today with where we're going to be two three years from now That puts me in a situation. Where sometimes I be the bad cop and I of my my responsibility to make sure no. I think you would ask me three years ago and said Hey Years the tradeoff you can win a super bowl You're not able for the next two or three years. You know quite often probably would have signed up for that And I think that where we are now is that we really try to do anything. We possibly could soreness. You roll the next couple of years but we also realized that because of the nature of this gain and because of how often you're dealing with injuries or things come across your place even they. You don't anticipate you really can't put all your chips in the center of the table when you have a twenty seven year old quarterback and so we're trying to balance vision where every year we give our team and op. Change Compete and In the tournament and then try to be as hot as we possibly can. But you know we saw last year one point can change everything. both sides of that During the game for the good for the bath. So we're trying. We're trying to balance that Thanh look at it and she areas that maybe we can grow together with the name And other areas where they best way to improve the talent level couple years is to get some other guys from James John and I'll just use the term of vision all the lists player Magellan Mills in kind of talked about versatility of wealth. Parts as well even Tavis Brown from in evaluation standpoint. How much that's changed over years to have those guys in the back seven? That can do so many different things. I came into that you had your traditional strong safety educational free safety every game With one in our style defense was running a forty three has three linebackers. Um You're playing much more than than you are now. The nickel corn was forty percent as opposed to sixty five or seventy and And hide ends. You had more traditional wide tight end. Guys were even that guy in and make you can walk in point of the tax so the game is changing and gum on a lot faster We HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST. Song Vile Valuations. Do it and also try to figure out where the next wave is coming for. Maybe something's undervalued right now and jude three years ago. We'll we'll be ahead of it because this trendsetting league and you WanNa be out of hand friends. So those are the things that that make our jobs Interesting and also challenges. He'll go sal and Jimmy what are you know about where Carson Wentz healthwise whether he has cleared the concussion protocol and whether When you turn for off season activities he will be clear for all football activities or something. Yeah I think that I don't want to get into specific injuries or or process for all those guys but Carson when when we get back harsh is leading this team and we don't have any any concerns about him in the offseason program one that resumes and then as we go forward for money not just as a small follow up question. What do you know about what kind of off season program? You're looking at from What kind of guidance? You've gotten either from your owner or from the NFL right now. We just go with what they're telling us that all facility opposed is is that the six V eight Brett. I'M NOT GONNA date. You guys may know by now and the six of the eight and I. I just think the world has changed so much. Sal I I have no idea what's Marlena brain or two weeks from now but I know that we miss we. Miss Being Together We Miss Being around the people in our building and Certainly When we get the go ahead to you that and and being able to bring choirs and I think that's going to be good and You know we're really excited about some of the changes. We've made downstairs to salad or what you asked. But just from our perspective and and bring in Had Robbins our director performance from from lands. We think he got chance to really make a difference policy and Tom Humphrey as well Coming in and Our our training room so For us we. We really can't wait to get our hands back on guys. Whenever that goes we'll go we'll go time for a couple of more so we'll go martin and then it Greg. Hey how Like Alex versatility but at five nine can be a full-time outside corner and if the season were to begin tomorrow for example what is that where he would well. You know it's interesting because I grew up and marring corners down grains of the world and and the guys They are exposed to twitched up guys. Who had a credible vertical and it's hard to get the ball on them and and got a lot of those same characteristics. I mean you look at economy. His profile is I is lying. And then you see like there. There's a guy get drafted in the top. Five very similar taste You know I ask you right now you I can give it to you And so like A. Nobody's talking about on him in the same in the same way. So there's guy who started on on the outside my off games. He's got the ability to have coverage with receivers insider out obviously also played in the back end He's got great mentality and guy great physical skill set explosives. Switch up guys well so Yeah we we feel like He. He's a guy who can play all over the secondary and certainly feel comfortable with him outside as well go ahead Martin. And I'm you know on the offensive line. You Lost Big Jason Peter. Free and running back on store in Howard as far as like replacing those positions. I mean. There's no way to drive still do something free agency. They're just anything that you can share about that. Yeah you know a I think that offensive line just like the line is always going to be a focus area for us always going to be an area that we're going to address I think it's more likely where we are in free agency that if we have any signings they're to be kind of I put him in this nickell. Robey Coleman category where it's it's more along that than something that's GonNa Kinda knock anyone's socks downs from a resource perspective. Not The game on guys. Who could still help us And when we look at our line we feel like we've got We're really fortunate last year After the draft to get a couple of guys that we really like You got a guy like Matt. Pryor gotch manage experience and see the value that he can have as you continue to to grow. Get better better. Mind in that game. And then Georgia's another guy that he he went on I r but this is his third year. This is his time to really. Kinda step up that we think he's got it all on his body he's got the versatility sides and When you look at Really is talent level. It's off the charts and he. He's on a great teacher but we saw it in free agency. You can never have enough offense. Alon and you can never develop enough offense salon. And and now we are global power to have a pipeline guys starving offense last year and has hopefully we are that we go five for five during the season and we WANNA have a pipeline guys and develop and Mr Coachie shown ability to do that at a high level running that running back eight you saw in the last few Games on George Georgia's a heck of a player and and a great person. Happy for him that he got the contract he was and it's a loss to our football team But I think we saw in the last four games miles in Boston their ability to really change the game miles out of Kim player and often it's supposed to be on fire who you WANNA. Nfc offense player of the week. Imagine game and and at the same time. We need to continue to as opposition. We only have three on the roster right now and in the past few years need never kept less than five so Certainly we gotta continue to add to that position and the same thing on offense on. I'd have you know we only have right now on the roster and never kept less than sixty so both those spots. We've got to continue to have players to thank Greg putting together and thank you. How is your carbon stopped? Forty five minutes time right now I'm just curious as far as He's in touch with the players. I mean how how frequently frequently check on Amazon coaches are concerned that you know when things start open again that you know some guys are going to come in be the first part about that is we are constantly checking our staff and making sure and our players just non football wise. I don't WanNa get any trouble here. But just in terms of checking on them and making sure everyone's okay and that it they need a thing Now we can help them and the second part is that you know. Hopefully we brought in players. Who understand that. They need year round. Just stay in shape. This is no more the longer situation where you come training camp and and you work yourself back in shape and those are the things that we try to do. They have a training manual. That was given them when they laugh. win ideas on Stop that was all. That's also visual through their phones and their ipads germs workouts. Because after we end the season were not allowed to get back into building unless rehabbing or They're working out until the end of April so I feel like we got a lot of players who are trying to make sure they come back and best physical shape. Candy Ange When we open it up we'll go through that we've got time for one more all Less than you're trying to get another way I get question. Yeah we can do. You can do your okay. I quickly knocking Jenkins Howie. I know statement and so forth but I know the fans like that year xactly. The rationale there was You know he signed with New Orleans like this amount of money certainly didn't get fourteen million years you know people were talking about You take us through that a little bit. We're what's her any chance and we're going to bring him back. Once we got into the offseason was at all and the hardest of his job. And the fact that you have to make tough decisions and you gotTA figure out Where you're going to do that. And when he has people hire center have given the team so much city so much and be personally so much. These are hard thing to do. And so we're trying down on what we can do this year and go forward and and terms of KALPA Yeah I agree you know. He wanted he did the deal on a place that And I think that's all I'm saying is probably that it was a place that ties us. All place he really would have done that But I think that it's just the nature of of where we are right now the score. I mean you see it with In all fame players gone leaving their teams Quarterback tight end. You just see a canton. Everyone and for us we had to make some decisions we had conversations with his representative and we understood what was important to him and what he was looking for. And you were trying to also trying to balance out when we were trying to do in the off season so At the end of the day is a very tough decision I have no doubt that goes somewhere in at a high level. But we're in a position now with our team where we're going to have to lose some guys and we've seen it with teams in our division as well for these guys and it's just the nature of where we are because of the guys on our team that we decided Alliott remark that we're asking these questions which benefit of hindsight on some of these deals in love. Said you weren't able to do everything that you wanted to do. What went different than what you expect it during these past weeks and in house where you walk through now compared to maybe what you expect when we started this well. I think when I say that it's always gonna be that way. Raging the drought. That has never gonNA play out how you would like it. Ideally Jensen painted and You know I think that the first part is I. I talked about in January and I only have a long winded answer but I think that know as much as you want to show gratitude for past performance and loyalty you also have one eye on the PG and future and so when we looked at it. There's always guys that sitting here now on a weekend freeze. Maybe a little longer. You competent hampering period. You go man if I want to know that he was going to be this price. Maybe I would've saved some cash from Catherine for that player. But you can all you the information as a whole when we wanted to pre and see we had a bunch of priorities that we we felt like we need to come out with. You know one was to make sure that we got a backup quarterback Come in and be a resource for Carson and also played a high level. We wanted to make sure that we felt like there was a sir to at effects on the market and we felt like there was an opportunity there to potentially. Fonda player was a really good fit for us and we wanted to find a way to get a corner who could match up with the best fires in the League and We feel like we did that. Want to Astra on these We feel like we've done that We also wanted to make sure that if for some reason it wasn't gonNA work out with Malcolm. Now we have some back there and you to get off. It provides leadership and We feel we did that now. There are other physicians. And and I know there's one on top of year on on that maybe we thought that there will be an opportunity to improve on and Either based on what people were asking for the time we had to make decisions. We haven't done that yet. But I stress this you know I remember You know past years. We've gone into the draft or even pass the draft and we haven't had those those positions bills but our job is to be throughout the off season and up until the trade them on to try to improve the team. 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Eye On The Enemy #39: Packers Preview w/ Acme Packing Company's Tex Western

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Eye On The Enemy #39: Packers Preview w/ Acme Packing Company's Tex Western

"From labra doodles to krona's nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud. Hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to another edition of ion on the enemy powered by sp nation and leading green nation. I'm your host. John stolnis you can follow me on twitter at john. Stolnis coming up. We're going to preview this sunday. Afternoons eagles packers game with tex western from espy nations. Packers site acme packing co dot com. We'll get the latest on how aaron rodgers has been doing this year. Having a phenomenal year for green bay. And just how badly. The packers are gonna wind up the eagles on sunday afternoon. So we will get a an eye on the enemy here in just a few minutes with tex western and then a very interesting piece that appeared on bleeding green nation on friday morning detailing howie roseman and how his draft have compared to the rest of the nfl. We've been talking about how i rose. Men's dry inability to draft Some of the big misses that they've had over the last few years but it really doesn't say you really don't know a whole lot until you put it into context because maybe other. Gm's or having just as many mrs as howie roseman. it doesn't seem possible but Until you look around the rest of the league and see how the rest of the league is doing in comparison to roseman especially over the last five years when roseman who's had total control. You don't really know great piece on bleeding. Green dot com. That i'm gonna detail for you coming up in just a few minutes. We're compete were comparing howie roseman. To the rest of the nfl and folks. It's it's just as bad as you think. In your mind it will be but first joining me to talk a little. Bit more about the green bay. Packers is texts western. The managing editor for acme packing co dot com. That's the nation packers site where you can follow everything that's going on with With this week's enemy that we're going to be facing on sunday afternoon. You can also follow him on twitter at tax western texts. Welcome to i on the enemy. How are you man. Hey thanks a lot. I'm doing good looking forward to another mostly national televised game which is always good for those of us. Backers fans outside of wisconsin. Yeah and you know. I love the four o'clock games. I think the four games are just the best add. Get one o'clock in the setup appetizers. Sometimes the night games are they. Keep you up a little bit late especially if you need to get up early in the morning and you're you're east coasters or even central central time zone folks like yourself. I mean it. You can just get to be a little bit late in the evening for some of those nighttime games but the four o'clock are perfect. I mean you you just. You're just settling in on a late sunday afternoon. And it's really great and i will say to. I want to apologize in advance for what you're going to be subjected to on sunday afternoon because and the national audience as a whole you saw what happened with the seahawks game on monday night football the seahawks usually play a really exciting brand of football and the eagles i think are boring carriers. They just they emit boring no matter where they go. And so unfortunately i think it might infect the packers on sunday afternoon so my apologies ahead of time. Yeah it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. Certainly the packers offense has been one of the more explosive units in in football this year And the defense has been given up big chunks of yardage at times. So you know going in most of the time. Packers games have been high-scoring affairs for most of the season. It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out on sunday. Let's start off by talking about the main guy and of course we're talking about aaron rodgers. Who is maybe having his best season in green bay uniform. Obviously he was the mvp a number of years back He's had a number of fantastic seasons but he just he looks so good. This season is where does this season ranked for you. In in terms of his best seasons overall his his twenty eleven. Mvp kean campaign coming off the the super bowl. Mvp twenty ten is is always going to be. I think the gold standard for me in terms of packers quarterbacks but honestly this year is probably numbers wise and just the way he looks comfortable in the offense. It might be his second best season. I mean he had kind of had a little bit of a downturn in the last couple years towards the end of the mccarthy era and then that first year under matt lafleur and not not fully being bought into the system. his numbers just know haven't been the same since maybe about twenty sixteen late that year when when the packers went on a run but this year he is. You know very much resurgent. He's he said the now in year. Two of the offense with matt lafleur. He's completely bought into the scheme. And the the approach. That leflore is taking and this is. This is that kind of kyle. Shanahan offense Similar to what they run out in san francisco. But if you you know. It doesn't call on the quarterback generally to make a lot of really challenging difficult throws it schemes. A lot of guys opened uses a ton of play action. And but then you throw the fact. That aaron rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks ever play the game and he does so much and can do so much off schedule. It gives a different dynamic to that offense and and we're seeing it in the offensive production the season with the packers leading the league in points. Yeah i mean they're just they're scoring a ton like you said leading league in points scored and hobby obviously davante. Adams is a huge part of that. Obviously aaron rodgers favorite favorite receiver. Is he the best wide receiver in the nfl right now. I've made that case. I think he's definitely the best route runner in the nfl Every once in a while you'll see a little bit of a blip with his hands but it's it's it's few and far between there was one game a couple weeks ago against jacksonville worry. He dropped two balls that he would normally catch any fumbled. The fumbled wants. But really. that's the only the only knock on him. He's not the you know. He's not a huge guy. he's about six one to ten but his route running is absolutely second and non. he's got plenty of speed To to beat guys deep and It's just so much fun to watch those two guys play pitch and catch sometimes sure and it's not just davante adams obviously when the packers on offense they have lots of weapons. Aaron jones off a dynamic running back that doesn't get enough publicity. What are the eagles going to be looking at when they face a great. This green bay offense here on sunday. Aaron jones Being the number one running back He's a reversal weapon Certainly a fast guy. Great one cut Zone runner type type a guy Who can also split out. Wide and run routes laker receivers. So matchups are going to be a big thing on him. Our team's gonna continue covering him with a cornerback like they have this season Instead of you know the way they they were kind of treating him last year when he'd split out and they'd put a linebacker on him and he kept burning him. You know if you do that. You're in light Light personnels and then they can kinda pound you a little bit with jamaal williams inside but on the receiving core i honestly i think robert robertson The tight end is probably playing like the best tight end in the nfc. Right now His efficiency numbers are terrific He's i think he's six or seven touchdowns this year he's been a really really good secondary weapon and they're starting to use him on a little bit of of similar place to to the way. George kittle gets used in san francisco again similar offensive scheme so it makes sense that they'd be borrowing concepts but he got open wide open on a beautiful corner post route last week. For a forty yard touchdown and i think you could see him really attack the the middle of the defense deep this week and obviously most great offenses have great offensive line in the packers. Certainly do although seeing that senator cory lansley is not going to be on the field on sunday afternoon How big a blow is that to. What the packers wanna do on offense. Yeah it's you would think losing an all pro caliber center the top graded center this year. By pro football focus would be a big drop off but in the last two games. He's he's basically dropped out both with With injuries in the first quarter and the packers really haven't missed a beat. They've what they've done is slid over. Second year guard. Elgton jenkins from left guard. Dissenter the position. He actually played all through college He's he's been terrific at that spot. And then the bridge they're bringing rookie. Jon runyan probably a familiar name. I was gonna say if that name sounds familiar. That is jon runyan's boy that's right Sixth round rookie. Out of michigan. And he's been coming in at left guard and playing really well. So there really hasn't been a significant drop-off On the line when this couple of asians when lindsay has missed time and yet like you said that's huge for for this offense to to function the way it has They're getting good. Push in the run game. They're keeping aaron rodgers clean and that you know everything kind of starts up front. What is matt leflore doing in green bay. That's i mean. They had a really good season last year. Made it to the nfc championship game. And i coming into this season. There were still a lot of people who didn't believe in the packers. They didn't really believe what they saw. Last year was the maybe thought it was kind of a mirage that leflore not lucked into the record that they add image. You get the nfc championship game. That's that's a really good season and you've had a really good season as a head coach if you do that but you know. I think he's proving a lot of the detractors and a lot of the the disbelievers wrong. What have you seen with with matt leflore here in his second season that you've seen some improvements or seen this team move forward in some ways yet leflore. His has done a couple of big things that have have really jump started this team again. This offseason with the the the fully virtual offseason that happened because of the pandemic it really let everybody Dive into the playbook and and really do a lot of the studying of of understanding. Not just the halibut. The why of of wieser concepts work together in his offensive scheme. And i think that's really created that that big comfort level emission with aaron rodgers. And then with everybody else on offense. I think there's there's also been some improvements from his perspective in terms of play on the packers are tremendous coming out of the gate with that initial scripted sequence on the usual kind of ten to fifteen plays in know right out of the gate. I think there's only been one one game this entire year when the packers haven't scored on the on the opening drive of the game on offense so so that's been a tremendous The a nice boost early on in the game. 'cause 'cause this packers defense really needs to play with a lead to have success and so that's a big part of it and really. There's a lot of it is culture related I think there was a lot of just sort of complacency. At the end of the mike mccarthy era and he's shaken that up a little bit and given the guy's a little bit of a different kind of different level of camaraderie The locker room. The players talk about it that there's just a really strong bond within the locker room. I think those those kind of intangible areas are ways that he's helped his team as well. I mean rodgers seems to have just this year i. That's the one thing you notice he seems to have a little bit more swagger a little bit more confidence seems to have a better handle on. What's been going on and you can't help. But wonder how many of his prime years were wasted with. Mccarthy mccarthy won a super bowl you know it was towards the end there certainly a contentious relationship and you just wonder know green bay. Just how how definitely wasted at least. A couple of years of aaron rodgers prime. i guess. Maybe he's stolen. Looks like is not has another few years of prime left. It looks like yeah. It's it always seemed to be the defense. Let the packers down. Especially in these rogers mccarthy errors in i think everyone of the packers losses it was a one score game Except for i think the maybe one game the year that they went fifteen and one they actually kinda got got beat pretty bad by the giants but other loss since two thousand twelve in the playoffs i think has come by one score missing one but a couple of overtime games couple of last second field goals so you know number times when rogers just didn't even have the chance to to go out and win the game so so that was certainly a frustrating part of it and that's still kind of wear the challenges and defense this. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens the rest of this year and in the playoffs through the off season because it seems so much like this defense is less than the sum of its parts. And there's there's really good players on on all levels of his defense gyro zander's playing like an all pro corner area. Smith is having another really good year in his second year. In green bay. Clark's tremendous one of the best defensive tackles in the league so there's players at all levels of this defense. It just seems to. You know that the the unit doesn't come together and play as well as the individual talent suggested should and that goes that falls on coaching. And that i think falls on mike. Patton the defensive coordinator so it'll be interesting to see what happens with him down the stretch especially because you know for so many years. It's been the defense that's led this team down. You know i will assuage any fears that you may have about the defense coming into this sunday because we we've you saw what happened when the seattle seahawks came to philadelphia and Really the worst defense in the nfl up to that point. The eagles couldn't do a thing against them. And so when you mention that the eagle that the packers have been scripting. They're having a lot of success with the first quarter scoring and scripting their plays. That's the nightmare scenario for the philadelphia eagles because they've been the worst first-quarter team in the nfl this year and so Obviously when the eagles went into green bay one on thursday night last year they did it by running. The ball ran the ball right down their throats. And that's still is an issue for for green bay. The run defense. And i would imagine that that should be the game plan for the eagles coming in to this sunday afternoon if they can keep the score somewhat close early on. Yeah that's gonna be. The challenge is is not letting the packers get out so maybe a to score lead. And that's what happened with the bears last week. They kind of you know they would have the same approach coming in with You know with the offense that they have with mitchell trubisky quarterback you know. Keep it close. You know. Run the ball with david montgomery while it didn't work because the packers got out to a twenty one to three lead in the first quarter in the first half and at that point they were able to kind of you know. Coast the rest of the way and win by couple touchdowns so yeah if if you get into a position where your your team is forced to throw the ball against the packers defense. The pass rusher can start teeing off a little bit They got a couple of good ball hawks in the secondary. And and that's the that's the problem scenario for for any team facing green bay's when When they can get into predictable scenarios played light like they'd like to do patent really likes to play five and six defensive backs Almost all the time and so. Yeah you can. You can find room to run the ball against that but you better keep a close because otherwise you're getting into trouble. I you know the other thing here too is you know it's it's keeping a close but you know being able to throw the ball is important. I mean i've been saying this for the last couple of weeks. You can't run the ball even against a team that plays light like you just mentioned if you have if the opposing defense has no fear of the other team's wide receivers or or passing game in opposing defenses are just not worried about the eagles wide receivers and they're they're not devoting extra defensive backs to help. Stop the passing game. They're basically saying you're not going to run on us and we're gonna we're gonna dare you to beat us in the air and i would imagine that would probably be a similar approach to green bay's defensive philosophy even even though like you said they do struggle against the run the when when you're facing a team that literally cannot pass the football. It seems as though the smart game plan would be to gear up to stop the run and see whether or not carson wentz is able to get out of whatever funky is in and see if those wide receivers can beat you. yeah. I absolutely agree. And it's just gonna be interesting to see if that's the approach that might pet and takes and how long base defense. He actually plays this week Because again i mean he loves he loves putting a safety down as one of the two inside linebackers and playing with with five five other. Db's field and that's that's not a great recipe for stopping the run against anybody but especially a team with you know with some some good running backs. Philly has so yeah. It's just a matter of really think that the eagles in particular need to be able to throw the ball a little bit in order to get defenses to relax enough to use miles sanders a little bit more. I know people are screaming for the eagles to run the ball more. But i just i don. You're bashing your head up against a brick wall with this offensive line and with an inability to pass just to run mile sanders at the middle for two yards. Twenty times a game. But i've asked everybody who comes on this podcast for an outsider's perspective on what's going on with carson wentz and i guess My thought my question to you is what do you see what have you seen Looking at carson wentz from the outside because you know this is the entire. nfl is talking about carson wentz. I can't remember the last time. A player dominated the national conversation for a bad team like this the way carson wentz has dominated the conversation. It's it's it's so interesting. It's unprecedented how. He is turned from one of the five or ten best quarterbacks in the nfl to maybe it's worth starting quarterback in the league. What have you seen from carson wentz. And what do you think is his long term outlook. Yeah it it really is is flabbergasting to at least i. I caught at least a little bit of that game against seattle. And they're just a couple of throws the just it's it's it's like he's not processing what he's seeing That he's i don't know if he's seeing ghosts and then when he is when he is throwing the football the accuracy just does not seem to be there and it's it's a kind of a complete meltdown in all facets of quarterbacking and honestly you know it's it's surprising to me that that they haven't at least gone to jalen hurts to some extent to to try to to to shake things up a little bit I i understand that. That wentz's contract situation. Is you know quite the albatross especially with the cap dropping next year and you kinda stuck with them at this point right but it at some point feel like given the fact that the eagles are still you know what a half game out of the lead in in the division. They've gotta they've got to try to do something to shake it up a little bit because you know it's it's that'll dump cliche right that it doesn't matter what your record is when you know as long as you can get into the playoffs so i yeah it's i don't understand it i was. I was hoping that. Maybe you would have some answers for me on that one mr as to what's happening so i well. I wrote a piece for bleeding green. This week where i basically i still believe. In carson wentz long-term. I think. I think it would benefit him to sit right now. I think he's i think his brain is full of spiders. I think his like you said. I think he's not processing things. He seeing things that that are there and refusing to throw the football in some and make the layup throws he's overcomplicating things. I don't think he trusts his wide. Receivers there are a number of plays in the seattle game where the receivers just didn't go where they were supposed to go. We saw bubble screen. Where jalen rigors post up is. Suppose he's lined up in the slot and he's just post to fade to the sideline to get the bubble screen and he he's running to the end zone and and it results in a sack. You saw dallas got it on the interception at the end of the seattle game is supposed to run to the end zone instead. He cuts it into the middle for the late. Fourth quarter interception. That essentially sealed the football game. I mean and that's happened a lot of times. His receivers can't get open. The coaching staff is for some reason. Playing all sean. Jeffrey over travis folsom For way more snaps than is understandable so So there's there's issues with the wide receivers that he just doesn't trust and they've had ten different offensive line combinations in eleven games and a lot of the offensive lineman. They've had in their guys like matt prior suo patea. Jason peters for one have been dreadful. Jason chelsea's playing on one arm. This year he has not been the same guy. There they've really. I think all of those factors coupled together have resulted in a cascade of ineffectiveness. A breakdown in his decision making process. And i think he's jittery and scared and it also would not surprise me tax. If the concussion that he suffered last year is still having some kind of effect mentally with his game. I don't know that for sure. No one really knows that for sure but he has not come back looking like the same quarterback and there was talk in in Not the preseason but in training camp that his accuracy was way off. So something's not right there And i still believe in him. Long-term i but i don't i also don't think that means he should necessarily start the rest of the season or necessarily you know. Finish the game on sunday afternoon if he struggles again. Because i think sitting down sometimes helps a quarterback it helps take the pressure off a little bit give him a breather because i honestly feel like he's he's got the way to the world on his shoulders and he's trying to pull out of this and the more he plays the worse it's getting. Yeah that completely makes sense so it'll be interesting to see if penton breaks out some more interesting coverage combinations and disguising his coverage is a little bit to try to To bait some some some bad throws out of Out of winds on sunday. As well so i would certainly go that route if it were me calling the defense but You know run some zone blitzes here and there and and try to get the pressure coming from from all different places so that that he's not sure where to look to to avoid the rush as well as you know what to expect in terms of coverage all right well prediction time here. I don't think there's anybody in their right mind. Who is picking the eagles to beat the green bay packers this weekend so i guess the only question is how much do you see. The packers beat this football team by on sunday afternoon. When the kickoff begins at four o'clock. Yeah i think again. The the packers are they've started off so well like i mentioned really all season long. And they've done it against bad defenses against fences like indianapolis and chicago. I would not be surprised if you know that takes place again Especially with You know maybe maybe attack in the middle a little bit with with dunyon with with marquez. Valdes scantling They'll get a lot of play action going. And that's that's a core part of that offense as well so i think I think the packers jump out early. probably put a couple touchdowns in the board in the first half. And yeah if we're if we're talking to spread about nine and a half. I think i think the packers probably cover I'm going to say something along the lines of a thirty four twenty one final score you know. Normally i would agree with you that this would be an easy cover for the packers but the eagles have had this really annoying tendency this year To be down late in the fourth quarter and then get it to within a one score game with under a minute left to play. it is almost like clockwork. It happens every single year. And i don't see the packers overlooking the eagles in this game either because i know green bay is still fighting for that number one seat in the conference which with the new playoff format just the only team to get that first round by is that number one seed so a still a lot to play for for green bay here over these Legitimately and really the packers have a great Great thing in their back pocket with a head to win against the saints from from bambi. Three so You know certainly the they just need one game. You know the saints to drop one game Down the stretch to give a chance to pull back into the tie for that top spot. And i'm pretty convinced that somewhere along the line The saints are not are going to drop at least one game without drew brees out there them hill starting. So i think it's within reach and certainly getting that by and whatever. The playoffs situation looks like with the pandemic whether they actually you know bubble or whether they you know they end up playing in Whether that would give the packers homefield advantage such as it is this year Certainly that's that's the that's the ultimate goal because without win over chicago last week division. Looks like it's it's effectively over in in the nfc north. So now they can set their sights on the top seed. Yep still something to play for. So i don't think the can count on the packers letting down against Against the birds this sunday. 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Good for him to take a mental break from trying to figure out what's going wrong on the field. I also think it would have some value and seeing what jalen hurts. Has i think brandon lee at gotten as mentioned this on a number of bgn radio episodes that if the eagles are gonna pick high in the first round it might be who've them to know what they have in jalen hurts in case. They need to take a quarterback at the top of the draft. And that would certainly signal that carson wentz is not the long term answer and that they will look to unload him as soon as it's feasible with his contract but i don't think that's the direction the team should go i still believe in carson wentz. I believe that the fact that he has had now as we find out jack driscoll is gonna start at right tackle for the eagles. This sunday afternoon against the packers. He will have his eleven different offensive line combination in twelve games. It is really hard to be successful quarterback when the offensive. Line the five guys in front of you keep shuttling in and out and you have different guys in different places every single week. There's no way to get cohesion in that kind of a situation and that's why the eagles can't run the ball effectively. That's why they haven't missed one of the reasons i think he's so hesitant and jumpy in the pocket and i've also talked about the wide receiving corps. The he just doesn't have any playmakers around him. They've been keeping travis on the sideline in favor of all. Sean jeffrey for reasons passing understanding. I think that will change this sunday. I would be amazed if all sean. Jeffrey gets more than ten snaps on sunday afternoon. I really can't imagine another situation Where like we had last week where he's splitting time. Essentially with travis foggy but the eagles have not they do not have anything on the outside that scares opposing defenses. They went out and drafted. Jj arteaga whiteside in the second round last year to be a fifty fifty ball guy and he hasn't even been that he can't even get on the field a second round pick a year ago. Can't even get on the field in an offensive system where you really don't have any talent at the wide receiver position. Fougamou is a nice player. But you see how easy it has been to take him out of the game. Plan by opposing defenses this year. I think he's a solid player but he's not a number one jalen reagor who you drafted in. The first round has shown nothing since he's been in there aside from a deep pass in week one jalen rager has not shown the game breaking speed that we thought we were going to get on the outside. He's shown an inability to to to run consistent routes when he's out when he when he's out on the field and you know this is manifested itself i think in a lack of trust from carson wentz towards his receiving corps. We've seen dallas goedert and jr and greg ward improvise on the field. And so i wrote about all that for bleeding greenteahawaii i still believe in carson wentz. I think he is dealing with some serious headwinds. And i do think there is serious talent in there somewhere that i'm not ready to give up on him just yet although again. I do think it wouldn't hurt to sit him for a game or two. Maybe just to clear the cobwebs out of his head. And i think doug peterson is just having a terrible year as the team's head coach but i do not think he's the number one problem. I say all that to say most eagles fans believe howie. Roseman is this team's number one problem and in order for this team to get younger and to get better because that's the only way this team is going to improve in wins and losses here over the next two three years. This team it. There is no quick fix. There are no free agents. You can sign this offseason especially with a team that is going to be way over the cap and a team that is going to be struggling to get under the cap even without adding anybody. They're going to have to cut people left and right this this season and some of those cases those are going to be fine cuts. It's gonna be good all sean. Jeffrey is going to go away to sean jackson's going to go away. You're gonna say goodbye veterans. Who simply don't have it anymore. But you need a general manager. Who's not the gm for the short term who's looking to save his job and pile up wins right now. You need a general manager who cares about the long-term outlook of this team. Two three years down the road and you need a general manager who has a history of drafting. Well you need to go poach somebody. From some organization that has had good success with early round draft picks and especially at picking wide receivers and cornerbacks a huge weakness for howie roseman. And you also. I think need a general manager. Who's not afraid to take a linebacker early draft every once in a while. The fact they went jalen hurts over. Patrick queen still bothers me. And even over jeremy chinn is is still hard to wrap my mind around. They have this quarterback that is just not doing anything and we knew wooden. Serve a purpose this year. So how bad has howie roseman bennett. Drafting compared to the rest of the league. Because we've been talking about it anecdotally but and just just so that you you understand that. It's not just us picking apart. Let's just say the jalen rager over. Justin jefferson pick we. We set it on draft night as it was happening in real time. Oh my gosh. Jefferson is still there. Thank goodness it was the obvious pick and you know that that it was the obvious pick when many of you have already seen the video of the vikings draft war room laughing at the eagles when they selected rager over justin jefferson. Th th the vikings are thinking about moving back in this video to take one of the available cornerbacks because they didn't even want to draft rager after the eagles. They were gonna go cornerback. They're going to trade back and and ignore rager completely. They didn't get justin jefferson. They weren't going wide receiver. So it's not like the vikings it was a fifty fifty jump ball for them and they would have taken rager instead of jefferson. They weren't gonna go cornerback. And so when many of you have seen that video if you haven't yet. Here's the audio of the vikings laughing at the eagles selection of rager over justin jefferson. Daego the receiver twenty two. Get corner of twenty five. What corners i know if we can move back twenty five at one of these warner's think yeah quarters are sitting there. He's going to take a receiver to write. Meanwhile we have the philadelphia eagles. You've thought they might go wide receiver. We've seen some wide receivers go off the board. It certainly seems like this would be mean that they need to fill pick in round the clock dealing rieger wide receiver. Tcu to a pack. I'm on it on it. Of course we we all know now. In hindsight jefferson has up the league. He looks like one of the best wide receivers not just rookie wide receivers but best wide receivers football right away. It was a huge with even if jalen rager becomes a pretty good player. It's pretty clear. Justin jefferson is going to be a superstar in this league. And you've already seen a number of other rookie wide receivers that have cemented themselves as good. Nfl players you've seen brandon york you've seen chase claypool you've seen of course ceedee lamb has played extremely well. All of these guys have made their mark in the nfl while jalen rager is still out there trying to figure out what he's supposed to do on a bubble screen so this is a. This is a huge problem for the eagles. And maybe jalen rager ends up proving us all wrong and he ends up being better than justin jefferson or at least close to as good or provides provides a real meaningful impact for the eagles passing game. At some point it's probably not going to happen this year. But is this going to be another. Jj whiteside is is is just. Haven't seen the kind of break what jalen rager was supposed to give you. Was this breakaway speed. That was supposed to create an instant problem for defenses. Where has that been have. They not schemed it up. Is that the problem. He hasn't been able to run away from opposing defensive backs and give carson the opportunity to throw that deep ball and listen i will also say carson has missed wide open opportunities with some of these wide receivers. That is just hard to explain. It's unexplainable some of the decisions making out on the field. He's not seeing things out there. But i also haven't seen a lot of twenty two video where jalen rager is running away from the defense and carson wentz's just not seeing him and maybe has happened once or twice but not on a regular basis. And so how bad has howie. Roseman been at drafting. Compared to the rest of the league will on bleeding nation. Patrick see with an excellent guest piece. Took a look at an article that was posted on football. Outsiders by benjamin etlinger eligible analyzed. How has performed in the nfl draft from twenty ten to twenty nineteen relying on two basic metrics chase stuarts draft value chart generally considered a more reliable measure draft picks value than the famed draft chart draft value chart created by jimmy johnson and also the career approximate value of the players drafted which is a metric created by pro football reference. So at the end of the day what all of this did was tell. The story that paints howie roseman drafts in a pretty light. And it's the main reason. The eagles find themselves in the position that they do today. So the first thing they look at his draft capital and looking at the draft capital from twenty fifteen to twenty nine thousand nine which is when howie roseman was put in complete control over personnel during this time period the eagles tied for dead last among nfl teams in terms of draft capital. And that's because they traded away so many draft picks to get carson wentz to go get. Jj to go get golden tate and timmy jernigan and a lot of other players that helped the eagles win a super bowl. And that's fine the trading those players to get carson wentz trading those players to get a helped this team win the super bowl and journey journey and played very well in two thousand seventeen golden state. Not so much and there are some other genera avery. Of course we've been screaming about where is gerard avery. You wasted a fourth round. Pick on abra and you you you released eljay four so that you could get a compensatory pick. I mean just making the wrong decision left in right. How rosa making one wrong decision left and right here but in terms of draft capital. He traded a lot of way to win a super bowl. And i'm not gonna fault him too much for that. But in these last three years they have had fewer draft picks than anybody else in football. So that means you got a hit on almost all of those picks if you wanna continue to supplement the roster with young talent so that takes us to draft return. How good has been the return. Based off of the picks the eagles have had. And when you look at the rest when you look at the list. Seattle baltimore green bay. Kansas city new england pittsburgh rank among the top ten in terms of draft return. These are all really good teams by the way the teams at the bottom. The jets the chargers the bears. Where do the eagles rank twenty third in the nfl during this ten year time period. Of course that is heavily weighed by the twenty twelve in two thousand thirteen draft classes. The eagles got fletcher. Cox lane johnson. Zach ertz nick foles in those two years so those were good. Those were good classes. Eagles ranked second in two thousand twelve and fourth in two thousand thirteen in terms of overall draft. Return after that. It gets pretty doggone bad in twenty fourteen. That was the draft. The eagles took marcus and jordan. Mathews and josh huff. As patrick see notes and the piece that was the fifth lowest return in the nfl. And when you look at the last five years when roseanne had final say over the eagles roster saved for two thousand fifteen again. There's kind of when you strip out twenty fifteen. It really doesn't change the fact all that much that the eagles ranked second to last behind only the new york jets over the last five years in terms of overall return received from their draft picks and again a lot of that is because they haven't had as much capital as other turns as other teams but the eagles ranked bottom ten in three out of the four classes. Roseman was in charge in two thousand seventeen with the seventh lowest return. Twenty eighteen tied for dead last and twenty nineteen with the eighth lowest return so again those are all volume metrics. Let's look at draft officiency. Which kind of strips out some of that volume during that time. The eagles rank eighteenth in draft efficiency. Which is almost identical to the amount of draft capital. They had during the same time period which was seventeenth so not much difference between overall draft draft capital overall draft return and draft efficiency. It's pretty much the same story. And if we just look at the last five years again which is packed. Patrick see did in this piece roseman. When roseman had final say on the roster the eagles ranked twenty fourth of thirty two teams draft efficiency from two thousand fifteen two now and even if you took out two thousand fifteen again which was when chip. Kelly was in charge. The eagles still ranked twentieth in the nfl in terms of efficiency and draft so the conclusion that everyone has reached that howie must go. It's born out in the numbers when you compare what he's done to his colleagues around the nfl howie. Roseman has been one of the worst drafters in the nfl. And when you have an eagles team that is nowhere near close to being a super bowl. Contender the general manager of the of your team needs to specialize in that and that needs to become the priority for your general manager howie. Roseman was blessed in two thousand seventeen. Every move and turn to gold. All the draft picks traded to bring in veteran players at all worked. And that was great. We will forever remember howie roseman for the two thousand seventeen super bowl season. But now you have to look forward you have to look to the next two three four years and you have to say what do we need in the general manager's office in order for this team to be successful again and you can't and some of the reporting that howie roseman and jeff lurie that there's very little space between them. They that they are so very close. That is i mean. I can believe that i can understand that howie roseman to be able to become the general manager of this team again after getting booted to the other side of the novacare complex when chip kelly took over only to come back and win a super bowl. That's going to be a really tough relationship. And a a really tough really tough bridge to set on fire right. But but jeff lurie has to look at has to look at the reality of the situation and recognize that they need a different voice in there they. They need someone else making these decisions. Howie roseman is not the guy to make these calls. So they need to find a gm who specializes in drafting and developing young talent. Because there's just there have been too many misses in order for him to be trusted to rebuild the philadelphia eagles which is which is what they need to do. they need to be stripped down to the studs. And you need somebody who is willing to do that and has shown that they have the skills in order to make that happen. All right looking ahead to this sunday afternoons game against the green bay packers. I think that at the end of the day this will probably be a one score games. So if i'm if i'm on the line here and i'm looking at a nine and a half point spread and probably taking the eagles and probably taking the points because as bad as the eagles have played this year. They really haven't been blown out by anyone. They seem to keep things close till the very end. For whatever you wanna say about jim schwartz. In his defense they do manage to keep games close. They don't get blown out very often. This is a game. The packers should win by two or three scores. But at the end of the day i think the packers are gonna. I think they're going to score significant amount of points. But i don't think they're going to get into the thirties. It's not it's unusual. That gym shorts defense gives up that many points. So i'll say green bay packers twenty-seven philadelphia eagles twenty. I think the game won't feel that close. It'll probably be something like a twenty seven to thirteen game With carson wentz leading the team on a drive in the fourth quarter to get it back to a one score game which is what we know. The eagles specialize in here in the twenty twenty season. But that'll do it for this edition of eye on the enemy again. My thanks to texas western for coming on the podcast and giving us an inside. Look at what's going on with the green bay packers folks tell your friends about the bleeding green nation podcast feed even though this team is hurtling towards The bottom of the nfc east the worst division in nfl history. There is still lots to talk about as we try to figure out how to rebuild this thing so all of our podcasts are taking a deep dive into all of that stuff here over the next few weeks and of course i'll have another. Bg memories on the nineteen eighty eagles coming out later this month and might even throw a an extra bg memories into the mix if there's time there's a topic. 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BGN Radio #43: Jordan Howard Emergency Show!

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BGN Radio #43: Jordan Howard Emergency Show!

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans. Just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ has got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. You're listening to BT and radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles are the test with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Hello, lean green nation and welcome back to BGN radio. This is episode number forty three. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. We weren't expecting this. When we were getting ready for the podcast, but an emergency podcast the eagles acquire Jordan Howard from the Chicago Bears. And because we are the only eagles podcast in existence. We are here to break. It all down for you. Joining me to do that is the brains behind green green dot com may he forever reign Brandon league out, and you can follow him on Twitter at Brandon Beal g my friend. We have some news to talk about. And the eagles finally addressed the one position that they hadn't gotten around to doing anything about here in the off season. They got themselves running back zooming citing time John you'll finally got running back. There are so many things to dissect. With this trade and breakdown in which we will do here. But number one has to be the most important thing. I think we know now that after the trade for Jordan Howard that Howard Roseman does indeed listen to radio because why else would eagles make this rate on Thursday night, right before our regular recording time other than Harry Rosen wanted us to really break down this trade. He wanted to hear our reaction. There's no doubt about it. In my mind. I mean, obviously, you know, when you when you got two heavyweights like us, my friend. You gotta we gotta drop the knowledge, I'm just anyway, I'm just kidding. But no, you're right. Manny, this is this is great stuff. And this was obviously a huge area of need for the eagles. Here this offseason. They had to do something it running back played three years for the bears. They got him for just a sixth round pick Beal g that could turn into a fifth rounder. Are you surprised at the compensation level? I mean, a six round pick is nothing here. I'm not surprised in the sense that I think Jordan. Howard. Like, I don't think he should have had a lot of value. I mean, he's coming off a season where he averaged what three point seven yards per carry. He's on the last year of his deal. I don't see why he would have immense value, and he's running back those area that you'd in today's NFL. I don't really see how he would have tremendous value. But in the sense that you know, the eagles got in for the. Yes, I guess I am a little bit surprised in that sense. That this is all it took. I mean, it's not even a six this year. It's a six next year. And it's conditional on the condition. I'm sure there's a certain amount of rushing yards or game appearances some kind of condition. But I mean, look if the end up having to give up a fifth for Jordan Howard. That's a good thing. You know, that means you hit that condition in that'll be a good thing to have happened. It is surprising in the sense that you know. Yes. It did cost. Not this much at all for the eagles. They're able to fix their running back dish in a huge hole in the roster. Clearly, you know, that's just been a huge topic. This week the owners meetings, obviously fans on sports radio have been call. In we've been talking about it. It's just been such an obvious gaping hole in eagles roster and just last week unless weeks PGN radio episode talking about how actually how rosement usually goes through free agency any kind of fills these holes on the roster with like some kind of peace where you don't have to go into the draft having to reach for a position clearly and with running back. It wasn't looking like that before they made this move 'cause they just had nothing really on the roster like they had to do something in the draft. And now, I think they still will. But they don't have to anymore. They don't have to take drastic the twenty five to the Jordan Howard, and they can get by with that. And hopefully, they still do at running back. Yes. But like they don't have to something Ryan to force in. I just think that's the upside of the Jordan Howard trade a wrote down my pros and cons here. Do you want me to get to those jump? Yeah. Let's do it. Let's not come out. Okay. So I think you know, there's there's things like in. I think there's some things I don't like my first reaction like Mike guttural reaction before. But any. Thought her analysis until this was all he wasn't about it that was before. I saw the price exactly to be fair. I just saw that. I follow text messages and slack channel is like Jordan Howard. And I was like, okay. That's all right. Yeah. They needed to do something. And I'm glad they did that. But once I saw the cost. Okay. Philo bit better. So start out the pros. He's only twenty four. That's very good. He's young. He is clearly a productive volume player. And I think that's kind of important to note here because you can look at counting stats and people do that a lot especially in the NBA or the NFL whatever. And there's value in that in being volume player is clearly not anyone not just anyone can do that like dance Bowles. Can't you couldn't give him the work that Jordan is not gonna hold up? He's not gonna last even Darren sproles in his primates. Does not that kind of player. Now, there's volume there's value in that. But I also think like you have to be officiant too. So Jordan Howard. You know, he's having hit a tiny yards last year, but he only at three point seven yards per carry. So that's not as great another thing. I did like is he s created out. Well in pass protection by pro football, focus on have to go back to that closer myself. But just for now, I take that as a positive sign, obviously the Olsen you up. To get him. It's another pro he's relatively durable. Just kinda surprising, given his physical running style. But he's only missed one game in his past three seasons here in the NFL. So that's I think that's a good thing. I think when you look at this move from a compact perspective, obviously that you will didn't do anything to cost themselves a compact of the give a pick next year, which you know, kind of you have to factor that in. But yeah, you can get a Compaq for Jordan Howard. Now, if you don't resign him after the season if he has a good year, and you don't wanna pay him big money, which I think is very possible than all of a sudden another team signs him and you discussed a draft pick. That's potentially better than what the bears gave you. So there you go you're getting some euro to getting some kind of return potentially if he leaves? So that's a good thing to keep in mind. He's Tepe John. He's only two million in base salary this year. So you're not really eating into the cap space too much menu. Checking off all a Howie Roseman boxes here man Dey what young cheat? Cami. He's big he's to thirty. So I think this is John talked about wanting league Arab back last year. You wanted that that running back? This is him. This is like this is like the new lira blunt in this offense. He's big he's good in short yardage. That's something. I think that's honestly, one of the big one of the bigger selling points of the straight. Heels were terrible in short yardage last year when it came to at least running back production like Josh Adams was some kind of crazy bad numbers which was surprising on the surface because you look at Josh Adams in you're like, wow. That guys big you should be able to punch forward in get you a first down on fourth shirt third in short. But he couldn't in seven carries on third or fourth down in one or two last year. Josh Adams had negative eight yards in no I down. So he was horrible. And that that comes from Jimmy Campsie. So you bring in Jordan Howard. And all of a sudden you have someone who is more effective in short yardage because as David era. Noted he has twenty one of thirty one conversions on third and fourth of two or fewer yards in eighteen. So it's a seventy four percent convert rate for perspective as Elliot converted seventy six. So if you wanna put that mine. Yes. So I just got someone who can help you out in short yardage. You got someone who checks the boxes and all the categories. You mentioned those are all the positives of the trade in my mind yen. And that's pretty good. I mean, and there's some other numbers that you could run out there too. He did score nine touchdowns this year. Even though it was three point seven yards per carry average nine touchdowns the year before that Howard is only one of two running backs with nine or more rushing touchdowns in each of the last two seasons. Todd Gurley is the only other one on his eighteen rushing touchdown since two thousand seventeen tied for third most in the NFL behind girly and Alvin Kamara also that Howard was only one of four NFL running backs with two thousand or more rushing yards since two thousand seventeen along with girly, Elliott and Kareem. Hunt. So you you're right. Some of these counting numbers as you're talking about really you can really talk up Jordan Howard. But as you mentioned, we've kind of seen, and I imagine you're going to talk about this as some of the negatives were kind of seeing downward trend from his rookie season where he he rushed. He did rush for thirteen hundred thirteen yards in his in his rookie year five point two yards per attempt average out to eleven hundred twenty two yards and a four point one average two thousand seventeen and last year nine thirty five with three point seven. And I thought it was an interesting question. I this just pop through on my timeline. Patrick. Finley is the Chicago Bears beat writer for the Chicago Sun-Times. The esta fair question about Jordan Howard. How does he not fit in the bears offensive scheme, but would fit in the scheme of Doug Peterson? I mean Peterson and Nagy run mostly the same stuff. So that's kind of a fair question as we're looking here at Jordan Howard. We see a guy who who's who's year by your totals is kind of been going in the wrong direction. And they couldn't find a place. For him in an offensive scheme. That is very similar to what the eagles are gonna run. I guess one of the key differences. I would look at there is the fact that I don't know exactly you know, how how the bears run their running game. Specifically. I don't follow them that closely enough to know that if that's more of Nagy's thing or or what? But with eagles specifically ingest outland offensive line. Coach is also the run game coordinator and do Staley obviously has a big role with the running backs as well. So you Staley by the way was working out Jordan Howard leading up to the two thousand sixteen NFL draft. So I don't think this is just about Joe Douglas connection because Howard was drafted by the bears. When Douglas was insecure go, I do think that's relevant. But I also think this could be a guy that deuce really like. So this might be a guy that you'll have more of a plan for in the sense that, you know, this was a guy that, you know, yet Douglas wanted to draft and that do still he was showing interest in he wasn't a guy that was so much in that current regime as much I mean, I guess pace was there too. But still like, you know, Nagy wasn't there. That's not a guy who. Who was you know, Howard wasn't drafted when Nagy was there. So you know, that's not necessarily his exact fit or his exact vision of a guy. And look, you know, we talked about it earlier on this off season about how Howard county got phased out little bit because they wanted to get Coenen there in utilize him more. So clearly wasn't exactly what they wanted in Chicago. You can went to some of those things that we concern. I think again, the the declining efficiency concerns me to go down to three point seven last year. I don't love that they will seemingly stopped him pretty easily in the playoffs. You know wasn't land. Some thirty five right now. Like, you know, the hardest. Gotta stop there is not much of a receiver. He's seventy two career receptions for only five hundred sixty yards which is seven point nine average in one touchdown. He is somewhat of a fumbling. A shoe I guess not like a super bad one. He has five almost three seasons. But, you know, keep in mind is eight hundred fifty total touches. So there's been a lot of touches there. And. Another thing is you still need to draft a running back like this doesn't solve everything. Yeah. It addresses the position in improves it. But like I still feel like you still have to add a running back in the draft. Because you just first of all because Howard's only on a one year deal in there's a very decent chance that he's not gonna be here beyond this year. So you still need to think about the future of that position somewhat. Just think like what you have behind him still isn't like super inspiring amazing, and you still want to add someone ideally with some better third down back skills. I know people went Corey Clement to be that guy. And I would love for core climate to be that guy. But I still think you want to hedge your bet on that in a vest a little bit more in that position in try to upgrade it somewhat more because I just think receiving so important in today's game in the fact that Howard doesn't really bring that as much he he's not really so much a pass game contributor. That's the part. I guess that doesn't make me as crazy about this deal. Like if he was. Be over the moon. But that's kind of why that kind of puts me, I guess like a minor or be plus for this trade instead of a Ernie. Plus, well, that's one of the things that makes me think that Josh Jacobs could still be a target at twenty five because that is one of the things that he did. Well in college was was catch the ball out of the backfield. And it also is reason that the deals might not be done adding to the backfield because unless you're going to bring Darren sproles back. I don't know that you can count on Corey Clement to be your your main pass catching back out of the backfield. They're really they really don't have anybody on the roster that you can depend on to do that Wendell smallwoods not that guy, Josh Allens. Not that guy. I mean. Yeah, Josh Adams, isn't that guy? I think you you've you've got to maybe make, you know, still make a trade you still make a trade for somebody like Duke Johnson or something like that. But you know, eventually, you know, some of these draft pick trades even though they're lower draft picks. You know, you don't want to trade all those away. So, you know, I wonder if. Trading for Jordan Howard means that they probably wouldn't trade for Duke Johnson. I realize like you said this is a draft pick for next year not coming out of this year's draft. So I guess they could they could you know, pillage something from this year's draft. If they wanted to as well, but I still think for me Josh Jacobs is a target at twenty five. I I love the idea of bringing in. I know Brandon I not brand I know Jordan Howard, his is a younger player. But like you said he's on the last year of his deal this next year. I I'm still looking at Josh Jacobs at number twenty five g interesting, and apparently the eagles are two or hearing rumors that they liked him. I talked last week about how Jeff Moster said that that's a guy. They really like. And I think most sure even said tonight that you kind of double down on that. He wouldn't rule them out still drafting running back in that'd be nice to see again because you still need that you need. This isn't gonna be Jordan Howard running back one getting twenty five series a game. That's just not what this is going to be. It's not like at least if you look at the. History of Doug Peterson system here. They're going to rotate these running backs, and I just feel like that Jordan Howard's kind of gonna be not just in similar in Moldova player. But also kind of the workload that got like Lear was your number one quote unquote, running back in two thousand seventeen oftentimes he would get the bulk of carries in a game. But he's not getting like twenty touches or twenty plus carries every game. He might be like fifteen in the mix in the other guys there. So yeah, I still think there's a need again. I am still going to be very surprised if you'll take first-round running back considering they haven't done it in forever. And they're such an analytically driven team that I just feel like it is hard to believe until I see it. But just the fact that that Josh Jacobs are player like him brings that passing game value. A definitely think that's something years went to add because you don't you don't just look at him at him. You also look at levian bell. Who clearly again, they didn't acquire. But they were rumored to be interested in him and do. Johnson. And you know, maybe they will take a look at Spencer where still who knows? But you know, those kind of guys are those pass catching backs we can help you in the passing game. And I just feel like they kind of want that guy for Carson to have as a nice check down guy. You know, who can you can just check down to rely on being able to contribute in that area. Whereas you'll just have not had that that's kind of stability kind of pass catching back reliably who is a proven player, you know, other than Corey Clement doing so a little bit in two thousand seventeen and then having Darren sproles when you did. But I still think that that's something they still need to kind of address here. And that's again, why the Howard trade doesn't like just make me feel like oh everything's fixed. But you do have to be cited. Right. Like you look at. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's it's an upgrade bail GM needs. It assures us we're not going into the season with windows Smallwood, Josh Adams as the number one running back, which is what we were looking. We were staring down the denial of that, you know, Erbil heart will. Yeah, you it would have been horrible. It would have been horrible and they had to bring in some talent. Maybe Jordan Howard can get back to being he's not. He's not going to get enough carries to rush for thirteen hundred yards. Again. That's just not with this offense is going to do. So, but what you'd like to see is that yards per attempt number go up, and as I think about Josh Jacobson and taking a running back in the first round of the draft. You're right. It's not something they've done in a long long time. Like we mentioned last week on the podcast last time. They did it was Keith Byars in nineteen eighty six. So one of their second round picks is probably a more likely scenario. But I think also it's fair to mention that they that Howie Roseman probably would have drafted Christian McCaffrey in the first round if he could have. And I to me the skill set is similar with Chris McCaffrey as mostly a pass catching running back out of the backfield. So, you know, maybe there are certain exceptions that you make for. I mean, if this is a passing league, if you're getting a running back that you think can really create mismatches in the passing game for you. Now that you've gotten your runner taking. Care of. I mean, I guess the question here with us Beal as we've talked about wanting to have a runner that you can count on that you can feel good about as somebody who can take some pressure off of Carson Wentz. Do you see Jordan Howard meeting that definition not the end all be only not the just the definitive answer? No worries about it. I'm intrigued by. Yeah. Some of confidence in it. I mean, if you're offering this way look at the eagles offense right now taking off into line to studying the skill players play some fantasy football here with me for a second. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Quarterback. Carson wentz. Running back Jordan Howard wide receiver. Austin Jeffrey, Sean Jackson now smuggler and then tied in Zakar DHS. Dow Scott that's a pretty good group in three hundred get-go players there. And obviously, you know, you're gonna not gonna have all those three receivers out in the field. And the two tight ends at the same time. You're gonna mix that up between eleven personnel toll personnel, but still have options there, and that's not even counting for. Some of the young guys step forward as nice role players like MAC, Holland's or shopping Gibson, her Braxton, Miller, whatever whatever have you there and even some of the other running backs, you know, maybe Corey Clement does come back in have a great third year after showing promises rookie like that's just, you know, sticking with some of the starters in the main players there right now. So Istres question, John. I don't feel like amazing over the moon. But I feel like fine. Now, I feel like okay. This is fine. Like, I'm not gonna be harping on this as opposed to heels did nothing like it'd be harming on it nonstop. Now. I got you. And that's that's totally fair. And I'm excited about it too. I mean when we were talking about Jordan Howard that was not when we were comparing him to the list of other running backs that were available Mark Ingram. Kevin Coleman all those different guys. Obviously, I think you and I both would have preferred one of those two players just because of the talent they bring in in the snow rest another end the speed. Yeah. Join Howard's like a speed guy. And he goes don't have like that speed running back. I think that's something. They're still missing no doubt about it. But it's a good deal for a sixth round pick, and which could turn into a fifth round pick. You're not going to draft a player as good as Jordan Howard with that pick. So you might as well, what might as well make that swap and how he rose men even just a couple of days after saying that they felt good about the running backs that they have you can never trust anything that comes out of anybody's mouth in the front office of any sport. You just can't you can't trust anybody. But Howie Roseman did what everybody's been asking him to do. And he got a running back, and we'll see if if they're done they still think they might not be done up next. We're gonna get into some of the latest draft. Rumors and talk about some some comments made by Roseman and Laurie and Doug Peterson this week when they were down at the NFL owners meetings. That's all up next right here on radio, get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best places. Stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built. For fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. 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Do you think they tried to move up from number twenty five I wouldn't rule it out? You know, how I residents done in the past. I think when you look at the history of trading up, you know, there's been some good acquisitions there when they've gotten aggressive. I mean, look no further than last year, and it was in the first round. But still in not the traded down to where they tried to back up. Get Dallas Qatar traded up to get Brandon Gramley they've made some good additions when they've been aggressive and they've traded up. I kind of feel like just we'll touch on this a little later about what Jeffrey Larry was saying about. That you will want to they believe in volume in terms of drafting, which I think is smart strategy because I think when you look at the kind of the broad picture of the NFL draft. There's not a lot. I think that separates teams in terms of good drafting and whatnot. Like, I think there's a big element of luck. Like that's proven to be there. That's not to say. Some teams are are not better than drafting than others. I think that's you know, there's some variance there. But I'm just saying like the thing we don't like to admit in sports general is that there's luck involved, and you know, the way to kind of counter that luck is to have a lot of graphics and make a lot of pigs in hope kinda get lucky in some of. So that's kind of in general the best strategy in. That's why you see teams trade down smart teams in obviously the patriots do that a lot. But at the same time, I feel like if there is value there, and if you feel like really so really really strongly about a player in look looking at a lot of the eagles mock draft scenarios like I do there's. A lot of where you get to twenty five. And you just don't feel really any good like about what's left is everything inspiring. There's nothing inspiring in that spot. Is there there isn't? And then that's when you end up like with these mock drafts that have you'll taking a cornerback. It's like why I what are we doing here? This isn't this isn't realistic. It's not going to happen. But at the same time, look like, okay. Maybe I almost can't blame them. Because what else? What else are they supposed to take care of this not like a lot of great option? So if Oliver falls in I think, there's some merit to that as been selected as discussed on the and select show because Oliver's a smaller guy, there's a precedent for players like that fallen you Donald followed a little her fell a little further than expected. You look at Gino Atkins fell in the draft. There's a historical precedent of those guys, you know, not being super highly valued by the NFL when think about it at Oliver used to be talked about number one overall pick any is clearly not in that same discussion. Now, he's worth like a guy that could fall into the teens in there are some mock draft scenario. Goes out there that haven't fallen to the eagles in the in the at twenty five which is crazy. I don't think he does fall there when you look at his athletic testing numbers in Houston at the pro day today, the he he ran like in the storm. Good forty our time in a story. Good like three time like at Oliver's ridiculous ridiculous. Yeah. There's some concerns about his college production thirteen and a half sacks in three years. But you look as tackles for loss numbers nearly fifty three. He's still a very clear he's a very disruptive player. Even if the sack numbers aren't always there. So and just thinking about the trio of Cox leak Jackson and Oliver. I mean, oh my gosh. That's so much interior disruption. Like I liked that. So, you know, if the opportunity is there in the cost is within reason, I think that you'll should be aggressive. I don't think you're trading up to like thirteen from him or for him from twenty five to thirteen something like that seems too much like if you're trading up to maybe like nineteen okay? Maybe that's within striking ranger or twenty. I think it's interesting. And I think it's something they're going to entertain. I mean, clearly the bringing him in he's on the radar. No doubt about it. And that would certainly be you're right as I've looked over the mock drafts, it just none of the names pop out at you. And it seems as though yeah, you're taking best available. But I guess if you're in. That kind of a situation where you're at number twenty five there could be a temptation to drop back. Maybe to you know. I mean, I if you're if you're not really bowled over by any of your choices. And who knows what the the eagles think about the players will fall to them. I guess you could also make an argument then it that they would they could drop back a little bit. And maybe maybe pick up another second round and another, you know, third day pick or something like that by by moving back in the first round or moving into the second getting yourself three second round picks. Although I don't know they didn't have a first round pick last year. Beal g my guess is they probably want to stay in the first round. Right. I think they do. And I think as much as they talked about wanting volume, I think there has to be some kind of fit for them, hopefully there in the first one and just selfishly just because it's kinda boring when the trade out of night one we need a first round pick, especially when you there. Happened to last year. At least, you know, the good news is we are ready for that. And at the same time, they got a good pick in this year's draft. So you kinda hang your hat on that. But yeah, it's kinda boring. He you wait there the whole night. And it's like out they traded out. I remember that happened with that's part of what made me so furious about Kevin Kabwe back in the day. It's like I was waiting all this time for us to finally make their first round pick. And then they trade back in its with the Cowboys in like great. And then I wait all the time. But he was the draft. Kevin frigging Cobb, not not a fan of the trade back just from a fan perspective leaving Z out of it. Yeah. You're a second. But yeah, I I just feel like hopefully, you know, that opportunity to be aggressive just might be there. I think if they trade up as it is going to be at Oliver or Christian Wilkins. I think those are the kind of guys that would be that trade up in maybe it'll make a couple couple spots. Maybe move from twenty five to twenty one in that, you know, where you get your guide and by the. Way on this topic. Did you see that? Brian Baldinger tweeted what he tweeted out this week, John? Yes. That was going to ask me. Yes. He was like, basically what Bali said here is that the colts in eagles are seemingly possibly targeting the same player. And I think when you look at who that player could be I think it might be an at all or maybe more realistically a Christian. Look, it's because the colts also have a need there on the interior defensive line. I think that's a little interesting and the bad news. Eagles colts have more Jap name. Oh than they do. So they want him jump up. They could be the ones who get it. And I think the fact that bodyman Frank Reich in Doug Peterson for cracking. Doug peterson. Oh, man. Oh, man. When friends become enemies, buddy. Andy hate to see it hate to see it. I think that Baldy he put that out there. Like that kind of makes me think that the trade up thing is kind of on the radar little bit. All right fair enough. And let's just quickly. I'm gonna write about this for bleeding green nation here. Hopefully, odds something up on Friday a about it. But just kind of. Taking look at the last three drafts at how he Roseman has had because really be LG. I if you look any any further earlier than the two thousand sixteen draft he was heavily influenced by chip Kelly than before that Andy Reid was obviously handling a lot of those drafts in conjunction with with Roseman. But this has been Roseman and Joe Douglas here these last three years, and so let's just kind of take a look back at some of these some of these dress real quicken, and you can get great or just give your your general thoughts two thousand sixteen first round pick Carson Wentz. I mean, we all love that pick. That's obviously something that's fantastic. They did not have a second round pick that year Isaac say a Malu was there pick in the third round Wendell Smallwood and Hala Pula vita were their fifth round picks in the six round. They took Blake Countess a cornerback. And in the seventh round in two thousand sixteen they got Jalen mills along with Alex McAllister and Joe Walker as I'm looking back on two thousand sixteen that seems like a pretty damn good draft be LG. I mean, obviously Carson Wentz is the maker break. Factor there. But outside of that has he kind of almost have to also valuated outside of that some aloe is at least eight capable starter in third round. Like, I think he needs your expectations of third. Yes. Yeah. Steel, it's not under performance. It's just exactly probably what you on average. Like, he's like the average there pick against any. He's been productive. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely going forward. You know, he signed to decent contract so central to be a solid good starter for the guard and may be mentally center. He's where stole as well in. We got the rest of that draft. I mean big v is a pretty good for fifth round pick. Obviously a Super Bowl starting left tackle, you'll take that not a good enough player to become a long-term starter might Pinon. But I think he at least has role as a solid swing tackle entail. Mills is a very up and down player. But he is a player that has the e belongs in the NFL and for seventh round pick like that's. Pretty solid the two thousand seventeen draft. This is still very much up in the air and an injuries have really been a big part of why this draft has fallen flat. Derek Barnett taken in the first round. Again. Just you think there's a lot of talent there. But we just haven't been able to see him enough on the field especially losing him early last year Sidney Jones in the second round again that was seen as a guy that had first round talent. But was dealing with a was an achilles injury. Right. That he suffered during a pro day, workout and still has not been able to stay on the field. Russell Douglas in the third round MAC Collins and Donell pump free in the fourth round Shelton Gibson Nathan Gary in the fifth round and Elijah Qualls in the sixth round. This was not this was not his finest draft here. Beal, gee, there's some issues there. I think Dirk when it's going to be pretty good. I know bend of like I. I. Yeah. I was concerned about that. At the time. Not just I like some jobs before he got hurt. But just the injury made me really skeptical. I just wasn't sure, you know, if he was ever going to be the same player in the maybe stays healthy, he can still recover. He's only twenty two like he still has a lot of career head of him. But it's far he's been to hurt in his just you don't know what to expect result. I feel like resul can be at least a good backup quarterback on the outside in maybe starter. Donald Humphrey is disastrous pick obviously as we've talked about and traded up for him. Just not even NFL player. That's the that's what bothers me about that so much not like you got bad draft. Picks are going to happen. You're gonna get a guy and you're gonna play him. And he's going to be like average or is gonna stink. Like when the smaller, you know, like that's not a great draft pick. But like at least he kinda belongs in the league a little bit done a puffy can't even play at all. That's just a disaster. Then you got MAC Collins. We don't know exactly what he is yet quality. Obviously didn't turn out to be anything. Gary looks like just probably a backup or special teamer. Yeah. It's not son. Awesome looking class there. Derek Burnett kinda has the burdens on him. I guess really. It's step to save that trap. Yeah. It's on him. All right. And then last year the only had five picks last year. Dallas Scott it in the second round of auntie Maddox in the fourth round two really good players last year that we're a big part of that team. Josh sweat was also taken in the fourth round. I think we heard how he Roseman talk about him a little bit. And like the talent that he has met prior in the sixth round and Jordan my Lada in the seventh round, obviously, it's not fair to judge draft just one year just one year out, but the early returns on Godart and Maddox at least are have been very good. Very very good. And I think it's they're they're off to a good start. Anyway, I mean, the the three guys and Josh sweat in Matt prior in Jordan, my Latta who we don't really know what they are yet. I mean, there's some upside there there's potential both sweat in my ladder. Only. Twenty one years old sweat being Zell mental defensive end. Hopefully can see something out of him this year moving forward. And then my Lada, obviously, just being a total wild card. No idea what he's going to be that could be a home run. Like that could be not just a home run that could be a Reese Hoskins grand slam as he did today, which is very awesome. And I love that a lot of quick tangent. Don't disrespect my man reached. You cannot just intentionally walk. The guy ahead of him and expecting to not cross that on the part come on. What are you serious rate spirits seriously? Yes. No, very very destroyed. Stupid too stupid joined my lot could be that Reese Hoskins grand slam that like he could be that big of a move or it could be you know, nothing like he can out of the league as soon as this year, potentially. If he it just a disaster in training camp this year like you'll keep him. I mean, maybe maybe they hold on and still feel like there's enough there. But I'm just saying like, it's not a total locked like he needs the he needs to show them some kind of progress or upside or potential like you you just don't hold onto him forever. If he's showing nothing. So I disagree clear. I don't think that's the likely outcome. I'm just saying, I don't know. I think it's obvious. I think it's in the realm of possibility. So so we don't know. But I think the kind of take away from all these drafts as a whole, I guess, it kind of goes back to what Larry was saying in that like they're not foolish enough to I think the exact mine he used with something about like, not being cocky enough to think that they're going to be able to out draft everyone like they're not gonna be the masters of knowing who to draft and they're gonna Jeff better than the entirely, they don't they don't think they're that smart enough. They don't think that the way drafting works and the way luck can have a factor that they can just rely on that to be better than everyone. But what they can rely on is getting a bunch of draft picks and you'll have about twentieth or so Jeff bakes in one fewer now with stern Howard trade to restock some of their their court here in the next couple of years so going forward and looking at this body where of what we have from Harry rosement enjoy Douglas in these past couple of years. I think you see enough where? Or you can feel optimistic in have an have some hope and some upside I think you can also see some pitfalls you can look at like, you know, you can look at the Humphrey pick in the process behind that. And not feel awesome about that. So and then the Sidney Jones thing you can feel like okay, they took a risk on injury. But maybe that wasn't the best strategy which there is concerns about taking an injured player that we had written up at bleeding donation before the drafted Sidney Jones. So there's you know, there's some risk reward. There's some good strategy. We've seen some bad strategy. I think overall, you know, you feel like there's some of confidence about you know, what they can do with these. Traffic's moving forward. But I also think you know, there's some reason for reservation as well out next. We're gonna talk about Carson Wentz. And whether or not the team is getting ready to pay the man pay that man his money. We'll see if that's going to be something to team does maybe here this offseason before the season starts next year. Also, give you some other notes from some of the news conferences that were held by Jeff Lori and Doug Peterson. And how he Roseman this week at the NFL owners meetings. That's up next right here on ESPN radio. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MMA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The enemy our each Monday. We speak with the top athletes of enemy from world. Champions two rising stars. We also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back on radio. So one of the big things this off season. Beal g that hasn't really come to fruition yet. But could still come to fruition is paying the quarterback? And I know that there are still some people out there who don't think that Carson Wentz has anything to prove in two thousand nineteen. I disagree Peterson. Doug Peterson is one of those guys. And I disagree with the coach. I think that there is a little something for Carson Wentz to prove this year. But it's mostly just his being able to stay healthy. I I still think the talent is incredible. Even last year when he was clearly playing hurt that he had a pretty good season all things considered without a running game and without a deep threat and without a defense that was really able to support him for much of the season. And we've talked about all of that you, and I have and I know you, and I are both still on the winds wagon. I'm still fully on the winds wagon and at the news conference that how he Roseman had with the media this week at the owners meetings. You mentioned a couple times how they they wanna have money set aside to pay Carson Wentz. Do you get the impression that the team is interested in signing him sooner rather than later? I haven't heard anything. So this is just conjecture and speculation on my part Beck elation. Yeah. But I think the team does especially when you look at their messaging this week. And now, you know, it always you said it earlier in the show, John like, it doesn't always necessarily matter. What they say look at what they do. And you we already saw what they did in. That is hang on to Carson Wentz in let Nick foles go. So you know, clearly they hard committed to him as their long-term quarterback. Like that decision already been made. So with that in mind, I really don't see the need to wait for like you're committed him. So you should want to sign him to a contract extension as soon as possible. Because if you're waiting prices only gonna go up like why are you waiting just to see another year if he gets hurt like so what if he gets hurt he's not your franchise quarterback anymore than what are you gonna do? You know, what was your replacement plan here? I don't think they really have one with their timeline. I don't think they give up on Carson Wentz. Just because if he gets hurt again this year, I just don't I don't think that's the case. I think the eagles want to extend him. I think the reluctance for an extension. Comes from Carson Wentz. Because you know, he's not he can he can think of everything I just said, and he could say, and he's you know, he can get these offers from the eagles, and they're probably trying to get him to accept. He's probably like, no, I don't wanna take the steel because I feel like I can maximize my value by having a better season in two thousand nineteen and I think that's where they're at. I think you'll probably want to get him signed. I'm sure they've approached him. I'm sure they've brought him numbers that Carson feels like he can do better. And at that point there's risk in reward on Carson Zan if he takes the deal, it could be a good move for him in the sense that he has been hurt in. It's instant security, and he doesn't have to worry about, you know, having a two thousand nineteen season where he's playing for a contract, and he gets hurt. Again. You know, things don't turn out the way he wants. So there's there's some incentive for him to do it. Now, it's just like that guaranteed safe option that you know, there's also incentive to wait in that. You can have a really good through nineteen. Season. He knows just as well as we do that when he had a full offseason to prepare for the two thousand seventeen season. He was amazing. And maybe he thinks he can do that again. And I think he can do that again. I think especially we're talking about this offense of skill group. Those players they have I mean, I'm sure he feels like he can have another big year this year. So I think use are fully committed to him. You saw how Roseman Doug Peterson? Jeffrey, Larry all emphatically verbally expressed that, and I think that that's the direction they want to go. The one thing I do want to say about Carson, John on something that you said in the sense of he doesn't need to prove himself. I saw a lot of people reacting to that. It's been kind of like a sports radio topic. How Doug Peterson possibly say that? But I think the thing about that is that's not necessarily true. Like, he didn't necessarily fully say that. I mean, he he quite literally said that in an answer. But I'm saying something else he said when he was talking about Carson Wentz and his need to be more accessible and more like genuine. I guess for out that wasn't the where it has more assessable as a teammate. I think that's right. There is what he's saying. He needs to do that like that's clearly kind of somewhat of criticism there a constructive criticism. I would say because Doug said he feels like Carson has Inam. It's not like something. He's saying go, I really need to see. I haven't seen it. But I think that's something that we've been talking about. And I don't may have been talking about the talking about how we've been talking about this a law season John where Carson Wentz needs to mature. And I think Doug a really really good answer about that. And obviously you can read that answer in full booting condition dot com. Listen to it in the. At the podium episode that might just put up on the leading nation podcast feed here. But basically, you know in short he said that like he needs to just think mature as as a player in person off the field. And I think that's exactly what needs to happen. I think Carson needs to find a way to kind of take what he's gone through in terms of the adversity hadn't dislike Nick foles did. And I think something that when we've been talking about this conversation before John kind of left out was that Nick foles when he left Philadelphia the first time when he was traded. I should say in two thousand fifteen I remember, Jeff McLean. Putting on a story about how the eagles felt that one of the issues with Nick foles was that he didn't have confidence like e could get down on himself. And that was something they were worried about it doesn't that sound crazy? Now, the doesn't that sound that the guy who won the Super Bowl is extremely confident employs had issues with that. Oh, so you're telling me that someone can get better that kind of thing over the course of the career as they mature so level. Linkin grow. Yeah. Maybe not condemn Carson Wentz. In like talk about him like he can never improve on something like that. Maybe he won't. I'm not saying it's a guarantee I'm not saying everyone does. But I'm saying like we have evidence that people can grow like that. And I think that's what we do need to see from Carson Wentz this year and not for nothing, but the eagles sit with just under twenty three and a half billion dollars cap space right now that's twelfth most in the NFL and they're probably done adding big ticket items. Now, they're gonna have to pay some of the draft picks, and they're going to probably have to make a couple of other payments here along the way if they trade for somebody like ado Johnson or sinus Spencer ware, which I don't I I don't know that I see those two things happening anymore that could impact the salary cap space. But they do have some of the space Beal G, and you wonder if that's kind of what they're setting it aside for so we'll just wait and see. But I do think that cap number is interesting now they have after after coming into the offseason trying to move around money to to get themselves cap space. They have. It and there's just not a lot to spend it on at this point now that most of the big free agents, and the big trade targets are kind of out of the way some other notes from the presser you mentioned Doug talking about Carson Wentz. He also talked about wanting to be more aggressive in two thousand nineteen. We remember how aggressive he wasn't two thousand seventeen and you and I talked about it on the podcast last last year that it doesn't it didn't seem as though Peterson early in the season. Especially was was doing some of the things that we would have expected him to do based on what we saw in the postseason and the Super Bowl and even during the regular season when they they went for it on fourth short more than any other team in the NFL and getting Jordan Howard. We'll help with that a little bit. Yes. The. Part of it. Hopefully, yes, but yeah, I like that. I just think that's a good. That's encouraging to see that kind of reflection from Doug in the honesty in you know, being critical of himself insane. Yeah. I need to get better. It doesn't something. I imagined. We would see at of two Kelly just for example. So I was I really liked that. I hope he follows through with that again, he can say that. And then if he doesn't do it. Okay. Then doesn't matter. It's meaningless I need to see the action that need to see him follow through on that unquote promise, I guess to be more aggressive. So hopefully, we do see that this year. I mean, I would like to see him getting back to that another thing in that same vein of something he's talked about. But also to see him follow through on. It is this idea of getting more twelve personnel involved in the offense this year, and I kind of have been thinking about that a little bit, and I feel it's one of those things that kinda gets talked about in the offseason might not actually happen, unfortunately because those things can happen every year. Year. But I guess one kind of thing that would support the idea that it could get used more is that, you know, the eagles didn't have a full offseason to prepare for the fact that they were going to get Dallas got her. You know, what I mean like, they didn't know they adopt. I you're right. So now that they do, and they know that they do need to run to all personnel in. They actually have the the players to do. So I would hope that they can really get together this off season the entire coaching staff of Peterson in really design more of an offense. That features those two guys those two tight ends. They're still going to be a lot of eleven personnel. Make no mistake. I mean, you're paying Nelson angler nine point four million to be your slot receiver, and you quired Sean Jackson already paying off on Jeffrey like number one wide receiver. Those guys aren't going away that you're not going to suddenly be running right? Twelve personnel based offense like seventy percent of the snap. It's just not happening. But you know, we do need to see more twelve. So I kind of I guess the theme there from those two. Things is that I'm glad Doug has kind of pointed out some of those shortcomings. I really do. Hope we see some follow through on that the season. Couple of things that Jeff Lurie said to as we wrap up the podcast here. He talked about his love of Doug's resiliency in. And we saw that on full display in two thousand seven seventeen in two thousand eighteen and a lot of the credit for that resiliency for this this football team picking themselves up off the mat when any number of other teams would have given up on the season that happened. When Carson Wentz went out in two thousand seventeen and when Carson Wentz went out again in two thousand eighteen but specifically when they lost that overtime game to the Cowboys. And it looked like the season was over onic bowls came in and helped resurrect the team's playoff chances and they actually end to the playoffs and won a playoff game. And you know, a lot of that is on done to keeping keeping the team interested keeping the team playing hard at is also one of the things we talked about last year after that Cowboys game. I know we specifically talked about at least wanting to see the team play hard and play out the string by maybe getting a couple of wins here. And there we didn't expect them to go to the post. Season. But this seems to be a hallmark of Doug Peterson that when the chips are down they believe in him enough to play hard and to continue playing for him in the last couple of seasons. It's resulted in a world championship and a playoff berth with another playoff victory. Even going back to two thousand sixteen to is first year. Really when things are looking at here will after that Cincinnati loss where they got blown out. And I felt like personally I felt like Doug Peterson might need to be fired. If the team on him for the rest of the season like if they showed no signs of fight for those final games there. They had I was like, you know, they might have to fire this guy because of the players aren't gonna play for him. That's a big concern to me, and they did the exact opposite. They they went out. And they lost a Washington. I think it was a close game it came down to the wire. And then they you know, they won the there's another close game against the ravens there where they you know, they had a chance to they went for two. Obviously as we all remember, and they didn't get it could have won that. And then they beat the giants. Who were you know, they think? Went like eleven five year that a good season. And then they beat the Cowboys. For arresting the starters the week seventeen still finished the season on a high note and just feel like that's kind of been a theme under Doug Peterson. He looks at it in that year. You look at to the Super Bowl you look at it last year. I mean last year again and the Super Bowl win obviously helped with it. But it was like the one of the most one of the least devastating ends to season ever for the eagles because. Yeah, the future not just because of Carson Wentz and stuff because Doug because Doug, you feel like even if things go wrong during the season, and guess what they are for most of the times at some point one or another to different extents, even the patriots. The patriots have moments where things go wrong for them in a given season. They might have a really bad loss at some point. Or you know, like the Miami miracle there might be some bad things that go on and you know for the patriots. It's never really concerned for them. They're always able to dig themselves out of the whole end for the eagles. It's. Not quite the same. But I just feel like that kind of resilience that Jeffrey Larry's talking about. I think that really exists. I think that's been a big theme for this team, and you have to give credit to the players to the leadership in the locker room. It's not just all Doug. But I think ultimately, I know it reflects very well on Doug Peterson. And it's just a reason to feel confident about him. I think when you talk about head coaches him Kennedy vague in nebulous, some of the stuff we assign credit blamed for at times because it's just it's not a woman show, and even as we're crediting with him with this. It's not just all him. But I think one of the things you can definitely point to in. That's like a calling card for him. And it's something Larry specifically talked about when things were going bad for the chiefs. I guess it was a couple years ago. They had like a big losing streak and Andy Reid said to Jeffrey Larry that was one of the most stable guys that whole time. Like, he he never he never waver like, you know, things are going bad, but he came to work, you know, in he had the same attitude. He stayed. A steady you didn't get to down. And that's why they ultimately felt like they're a part of why they ultimately able to come back is because I didn't get to down. They still believed in themselves, and we just saw that again in this most recent eagles season where the heels go to New Orleans. They get their butts kicked forty eight seven or whatever it was point. And they fight. They come back hard. They fight. And that's exactly what you wanna see this team. So I think that's something that is very encouraging about piercing going forward. In a big reason why you can't count him out because when his back against this wall when his back is against the wall on the teams back is against the wall. They're gonna find a way to respond. It's just great to see a locker room with a lot of leaders. Like, you mentioned it wasn't just there was there's a lot of good leadership in that locker room. But you know, I think Doug brings that out and people and people believe he's genuine, you know, there's a lot of Cogez likely saw chip Kelly in this city that you're not sure if this guy's really got your back or not I. Doug Peterson is genuine. He seems like a a a regular guy. I mean, he's not the guy who should have gotten this job to begin with. You know what I mean? And I think he still carries that around with him a little bit. He was the one of the last choices for this team. You know, they wanted Adam gays. I, you know, it's it's and I think maybe there's there's still a little bit of that in Doug Peterson that he feels lucky to have the job, and he's a world chant now, which I mean, you'd think that would go to a set, but it doesn't seem to and that's that's what's really incredible about him. And I agree with you. That's why that's why it's it's you feel good about this team moving forward. When when you the head coach is just it's so important in the NFL and football to have to have a head coach team can get behind and follow and not for nothing else. But Doug Peterson also is a fantastic play caller and play designer, and you know, can can flat out coach other legendary coaches on any given Sunday to and he knows how to get the best out of players. And so at the pretty damn good combination to have, and it's pretty clear Jeffrey Laurie love. Loves him some Doug Peterson. We also got a little bit more of an explanation from Lori about his proposal that would force the Cowboys and lions to play some Thursday night road games. Bill G explained that basically the reason that he pulled it was at it didn't have support. But he seems he seems happy that people are at least talking about it. Because like we talked about last week on the podcast. I had no idea. The Cowboys weren't playing Thursday night road games. And now now people are aware about it. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's it's a competitive disadvantage for the eagles. And he even said that point blank. I think Howard asking Howard Eskin was like do you think this is a disadvantage like the fact that you know, all the other teams NFC's don't get this in point blankly Jeffrey Larry was like, yes, I do. And it is I talked about it last week where the Cowboys have played zero road games on on Thursday nights on like a short week. So several days. Rest never ever end. Look it's going to remain this way in the future at this rate. Like, it's never gonna change. So right now in that same span USA played five games on Thursday night on on the road on short rest and that five zero. I mean, that's like overtime. I disliked the adds up in a couple of years. It can be ten zero. It's it's ridiculous. There's no good reason for that to happen. There's nothing like the Cowboys can still play on thanksgiving Jeffrey Larry's not trying to take that away is to sing can't they play away some years just to kind of make it. So that they have to also have to deal with this kind of disadvantage or one of the what he feels like one of the bigger disadvantages in the league. And I think it was interesting John that we were kind of talking about last week. The why did that you'll withdraw this proposal? And I think it's true that they didn't have a ton of support for it. And I think that it's worth putting through it was still worth bringing up in the first place because at least now you're kind of creating this conversation, and you're kind of give. People the chance to be like wait that actually isn't fair. And there is good reason behind this. And hopefully over time they can kind of find a way to rectify that. Yeah. At the same time, I think Mike four actually two good theory about this believe it or not where he said that he feels like part of the reason the eagles put it out there, drew it is. So they're not like the bad guy. You know what I mean? So like, they withdrew its ultimately it's passed it's not on them. But they got the idea. So kinda wouldn't reflect so poorly on them as much as like the idea has now been put out there. And now, hopefully, others will kind of helpfully run with it. And eventually it'll get past that won't just like just the eagles who were trying to do it as much as like, everyone jumping on it. So I think that's kind of interesting theory to put out there. Yeah. Hopefully does get fixed in the future because it's just there's no good reason for it. I mean, even if it's a small advantage like even if that's what you to argue. And it's kind of like some people have said to me, it's kinda like petty your inconsequential which. Disagree with. But okay. Let's say you're right. It doesn't need to exist. At all. Like, why does it exist? It doesn't matter if it's small advantage. It shouldn't there shouldn't be any. There's no good reason for any kind of advantage that is fair to exist. There's no reason for it. So hopefully, the league in fix it. Jerry Jones, reacted to the thing. And he was like he thinks it's good for the league actually that the Cowboys play on thanksgiving every year, of course, naturally evenings on team having an unfair advantage is good for him. Of course. But I would hope the other NFL owners of all other thirty teams because by the way, the need what twenty four I think they need to thirds of the owners the twenty four. Yeah. That's right. Yes. So okay. So let's say Detroit in Dallas, don't even pass it. That's fine. Hopefully, they can get enough support. Elsewhere in the future to get that fixed because that should be the goal like we want competitive balance we want things to be a level playing field. It's not about you know, giving the eagles at advantage by changing this rule. It's just about like, hey, everything should be kind of equal. Or the same for everyone last thing here Beal g and this is something that gets eagles fans pretty fired up. Jeffrey Loria said that they want to return to the Kelly green estrin, it's in two thousand twenty four their jerseys. And listen, I have a take. Oh, I haven't take on the Celtics. We didn't have on the table. So it doesn't count. All right here. Hang on hang on hang. Did. You hear that? I did. I have a take the Kelly. Green jerseys are fine. They really are they're fine. But frankly, the better jerseys are the ones from the early eighties at Joe war ski and all those guys were that had the darker green with the gray. I love the darker green gray combination with the with the old school helmets. That had the it wasn't quite a Kelly green. It was a little bit of a darker green wasn't midnight green. But had the gray the gray. The the great eagles in wings in the helmet. I think those, and frankly, you know, what d did you ever notice that in Super Bowl fifty to the eagles road green? Uniform seemed a little less midnight. Green and a little bit more regular green. Maybe it was the lighting in minute. In minneapolis. I want people to take a look at that next year. I mean next year, we'll take a look at that. When when they can lead till next year, wait till next year two thousand twenty that's when you're allowed to look. It's I want people to do it. And it must have been the lighting in the dome. Put the the green look different. And I really liked it. I really liked that color green. I'm not a big fan of midnight green. But I think people go way overboard on the Kelly green. There's a reason they got rid of it. And it just I I think it's fine. It's not bad. I don't think it's ugly. So it's I'm not throwing a fire take at anybody here. But you know, I don't I and I'm a big uniform guy. I love uniforms, I love colors. I love the Philly's powder blue uniforms that they play with now, I think those are fantastic. But I'm just not I'm not big on the Kelly Greenville G. It's not it's not it's not my end all be all the teller. You're talking about with jaws and like dick for meal and all that. And it's almost like jets uniform. Really, honestly, it's kinda like it looks like their colors a little bit. Or at least it's close a little bit. Closer bet. More gray. I like the gray was a little old school. I I love that. Yeah. I actually green a lot man like. The eagles stuff that I do own. Honestly like it is like Kelly green hat Kelly. Green hats, I league Kelly. Green sweater. That is a combo circus. Arrived sweater like I just like that color more. It just pops leads more bright. It's fun like midnight. Green to me is just boring. They can stole midnight. Green me is vaguely with that. It's very much a staple of the time. It came out which is like what early two thousands of early two thousand zero. Whereas like, yeah. This is the future. This is cool. This is modern. But then like it didn't age. Well, just kind of like. Like Lincoln financial field a little bit like built in the same time. Like it was cutting ED's for a very short amount of time. But I feel like the modernise of it didn't like aid super, well, he didn't last Dinelli lasting modernist to it. And I I just I'm not a big fan. I don't love it. I think it's been upgraded since they switched to like those Nike jerseys. Whatever it was a couple of seasons ago. It looks a little better than it used to the current midnight green. But it's just not my favorite thing 'em. They're not going to change the main uniform at least there's been no indication of that. So, you know, we don't even have to worry about that so much, but the the more realistic thing is the alternates I've seen some people by the way say like Alday say this every year in that's not my impression at least that wasn't might take away of what Larry said like the fact that he put twenty twenty out there to me seems like that actually is some kind of hopeful deadline for them to actually have it, and they would wear Kelly green jerseys twice a year instead of the. Black simulates all-black who had like, I think like you gotta get rid of the all black the blacks. I don't even hate it. But I hate the black. I don't hate it personally. But like I'm final never having it again. And I'd rather have green alternates over this thing, it'd be fun especially like primetime game. Like Monday night football in her wearing lake bright green single cool under the lights at night. I just think it's a cool. Look, it's more fun to me. I like you allow so I know people don't like it or whatever they don't feel strongly. I like it a lot. I it's it's I don't care as much about it. It's if it's an alternate. You know, what I mean two times a year, and it would be better than the black anything's better than the back. I hate the black uniforms 'cause I again, I was kinda like a that was kind of like a mid nineties late nineties thing when when Pat Croce came in and and turn the Sixers uniform to into all blackened, you know, that was like when black was the thing. You know what I mean? And you're right. It was like it was the late nineties when they changed to midnight green. I think it was actually ninety six was the first year was Ray Rhodes as first year first year with the eagles and ninety five Ricky Watters first year, they were still wearing the Kelly green. And then in ninety six they switched over to the midnight green. So that's that's about the timeframe. We're talking about here. And you're right. It hasn't aged. It hasn't aged all that. Well, so I guess you're turning me a little bit on the Kelly. Green. I I don't know. I I think he will go a little with. It is fun. I get you. I get you amid every every every sports team in the city should wear the same color because that's what would that be? So what would it be? If they all were in with it who. I don't know. I guess I mean, the Sixers and Phillies kind of have similar color schemes. But fires are completely unique. And the eagles are completely unique. I take that back. I wouldn't wanna for all four teams to be wearing the same colors. That's the orange and black is is very very unique to the flyers. It is. And the, you know, the eagle green just you know, when they pulled out those blue and yellow Jersey's a few years ago. Like, the throwbacks those things were terrible. And so I think we'd just so used to Eagleton green. It's just a matter of we gotta find the right shape. Jay, that's that's what it all comes down to any final thoughts before we wrap up episode forty-three, my friend awkward thing Antonio Brown. Simply interested in playing of Carson Wentz. I like that future hall. Yeah. The video there's a yeah. Receiver there. I think that said more about the Tonio Brown's interests, by the way in the US or Jerusalem houses, I should say that the eagles interest in him, actually, like some people are taking that story to me like all Euler super interested in him. And I mean, it did seem to have some kinda interested in. But I think I almost think to Rosenhaus was more interested in getting into new Brown to the eagles than necessarily the were acquiring him. So that was a little interesting thing. But ultimately, obviously, it's done. Now. He's the raiders and Phillies man, the Phillies are back. It's awesome. Love it. Opening and brow. Was so exciting. The mccutchen leadoff home run the Michael Franko hit home run. And then just Reese, the Reese thing again already said earlier. But I was just like man this is so disrespectful. How are you gonna walk rice harbor dislike to get to reach Hoskins to be like, oh, yeah. We're gonna get resell. Like, no, you're not he's gonna hit a grand slam. So love res love Phillies. Glad they're back. It's so much fun. It's a femi- great. Like, you know, this is a football podcast. But and I know not everyone loves all for Philly sports scenes. But if you do love the and you do love the Philly's or even if you don't have the Phillies, but like if thinking about me get into it just do it. Just try it because I think baseball is a nice complement to football in the sense of does not as much. I mean, obviously, you'll for Jordan Howard. So there's some stuff going on in the draft. There's things going on the off season the gonna be dead times like yesterday on Wednesday. There wasn't a lot going on. And there's gonna be some dead periods. And when you have in the summer like in July when there's going to be nothing going on there's going to be dead time. So when you're looking to fill some of that time in turn the Phillies on it'll be nice in help you get quicker to the football season. You'll be kind of small you'll be sided than football. Back then you're set. So I'm glad baseball's back. It's fun, go fails, Amen, buddy. I was it was pretty exciting. 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Facebook tackles election trolls

"The. Remove juice inform that is the mission that Facebook has set for itself when it comes to misinformation and fake news in this federal election. Even with the best of intentions. Can you really tackle things like troll femmes maims when they move at lightning speed? Also this week. Uber drivers on strike anti really need a friendly neighborhood social network. That's dat. These God to the week in media, technology and culture mine his mock Fennell and welcome to download this Chaib. And it is a very big welcome to this week. She's lead reporter with first draft, which is a nonprofit that is fighting the good fight against fake news, which is very topical this week Libya. Rosamund welcome back. Thank you. It's pleasure to be here. As always muck. We've missed you. I've not doing wrong. I know I thought I'd been struck off. It's nice to be back. Why would I start you deny? I don't know. That's something maintenance. Alongside Libby Roseman Sarah Moran from Geico academy. Welcome to the panel of download this showers. Thanks, but it's go. You know, what's really me? Earring? So if you happen to be watching this on YouTube or on the news channel, she has earring school. Go gig academy. Geico academy, it's just. Sara Moran lettuce Dilmun. This is going to go so badly for me. That's an amazing organization that is skilling up young girls of all different ages and different aspects of technology, and it's awesome. If you don't know enough about it, Google it. I am told whether you put Kika logo geic it will work regardless. All right now, I'm starting the show with a laugh, and yet we le- f topic is incredibly serious. We are of course, in -sconsin the middle of a scintillating federal election, and as part of that there are some pretty horrendous things being done to undermine democracy. Libby Roseman time you back to the beginning. What are the sorts of things that have already been reported? That are shaping this election that perhaps I'm nothin' the spirit of democracy. I mean, we could start with the massive elephant in the room. That is Facebook drink. Despite their best press releases best intentions, they are not doing a great job at trying to quell the interference that he's happening on their platform. So they did announce a range of measures to try to protect the integrity of the election in early April that was things like restricting foreign ads that was going to be temporarily for the whole campaign. They were going to restrict ads purchase from overseas. It's not very hard. If you're a big overseas operator or even government to set up a local organization to with which to purchase the ads. But hey, it's something they were promoting transparency by publishing the Facebook ad library, which is something. But it's very interesting. When you look at the different the different levels of Doshisha that he's available on say these trillion Facebook ad library to my favorite comparison is Luxembourg pop. Relation about four hundred thousand but in Luxembourg, you can go onto that ad library and see ads that are that have been passed ads that no longer active as well. As all the active ads, and you can say all the targeting daughter and how and where they were served in that you can only say active ads retargeting Datta. So that's a bit of a an MD initiative there. They've launched a fact checking partnership with AFP, which I think is not the best. Look af pay payback. Who else me have in? Jiji press. Yes. Distinct from the federal police, which very different kind of deal. Yes. What is it that I have pay being asked to do in that context? So they literally fact checking paces of content that offloading around Facebook related to the election. So maims made up saying stralia has seven hundred twenty five billion dollars of debt or photo servicing on the platform. So it's they sort of random one of bits of content publishing them on pay website. I went and checked. So there was one claim that was made yet was something about debt. And if he had written the sort of debunk of this claim, not astray Leah's debt that had been shit numerous too. I mean, thousands of time on Facebook. The original main the AFP fact chick article, which they publishing on the F P website. I put that in Facebook had been shed for time. So. Join why aren't they attaching the day Bank to the article because I remember years ago, we spoke to somebody who has since left actually, a former boss of yours. I think about restoring who had taken his job at Facebook. And then one of the things I said that were doing is when articles getting shared a lot and have controversial information that we're going to attach something saying this information might not be accurate, but it's not that easy. And I think wearing these really interesting misinformation space where it's not just articles. It's it's these tiny little pieces of content. It's maims its little pictures and those things just spread like wildfire in this. So I think they're quite difficult for Facebook to detect unlike an article, which has URL which they can presumably put into their into their systems may my some of my downloaded they might make something new it's it's they sort of kernels of truth truth in what becomes these broader sort of web of misinformation. People take it and reinterpreted themselves and then share share. Share it on another one that's been going around. These forty percent death tax that labor in the grains are going to introduce that one's particularly interesting to me because I'm we being sort of watching that spread and this is people sharing it in their own words in their own sort of status. Updates on news family harder. Because it's not even a singular piece of content that you can you can move around. It's being it's viral literally in people. Absolutely. It's a it's a much more traditional form of ours. I wanna bring you in his air so Sarah Facebook using the slogan called re remove reduce and inform looking at the range of efforts that they've gone to. We'll just focus on Facebook the time Bank because download the show. And that's what we do. What do you make of their efforts? I fi-. Well, it's interesting considering like, I remember when I first joined Facebook how much you had to use your real name whenever on before that the internet. We all used a handles, and we had a whole different way of managing reputation and information, and what that meant. And in terms of what Facebook's action is. Was this ten years ago? It's it's sort of. It's it seems like we've been calling for this sort of stuff to be able to manage the growth of the internet and the growth of mass communication and attacking it on at the end. And so the impact that it can have is much smaller than if that had been built into the day much more earlier when would be we've been facing these problems for years now is seeing the impact of what happens at lodge, and I think why doing it now is to say face into save money. Probably but too little too late in my book. Is there anything in the car arrived things that they've offered up the and this is there anything that? They've offered up that you think you will be quite effective. I think it's hot in ustralia like you talked about Luxembourg and the different contexts. What I find really funny about trying to respond to maims most people internationally don't understand trailing Huma. And so. Motivations happening. Right. And so any sort of algorithm that's happened in the past that tried to say, you know, like sentiment analysis around what we're talking about tends to not understand what we're talking about. And so I think that's an added lia- to everything on top as well. I should say a little bit earlier. I read the question about whether or not they were tach ING. The fact check to the original article does same that actually that is happening in some cases. Yeah, I think to to articles and yes, in some cases, where I think they have a fact check to to sort of counter claim. But I mean, I I went onto that f p factor thing they published about ten things in the course of the election campaign trucking Tokes on. Absolutely. But the reality is I mean, and I've been literally monitoring a whole range of pages and and accounts. And and there's I mean, it's instinct insane the amount of misinformation of false claims. The other thing that things really interesting about the fact checking initiative is that they declared that all political parties and candidates were immune from from that. They were not going to be fact checked for some crazy reason and considering some of the candidates that we have running in some of the political parties. That to me is crazy is that because there's an assumption that the material they put out is subject to electoral advertising law, and therefore somebody else's dealing with it. So we're going to deal with the stuff in the wall of the bald west of the internet, presumably. One other thing that I just wanna mention ease. I think it I mean, you know, this is not new, but we've seen some really savvy parties and candidates operating in this election. So Clive Palmer who's who somehow rustled up one hundred fifty candidates candidate in every single electric. And if you go onto the his website and have a look at them. I mean, some of them are these quite young looking guys who knows where and how he found the me found them all very quickly. But it's very interesting. If you look at how he is disseminating or how the potties disseminating its policies and pitches because it they literally all following a script. And so he's obviously found gone out there and found people who are willing to rate a script, you know, record a video with the background that he's presumably provided, and it's that is very very clever way of just reaching the entire country of finding people in every single area. And. Making use of their networks and getting the same information out. So it's very clever. I think you know, the majority of these candidates don't have a hoping he'll of being elected. But what they are very successfully doing is spreading the word of Clive Palmer in the U, I pay Clive. I mean to step back from misinformation than fact sharing for second in terms of how different political bodies, a handling this election is anybody doing anything and just want to focus on the methodology because because you get into trouble. If you start talking about the politics of anybody doing anything in terms of using the internet well to disseminate MRs or anywhere on that spectrum. Clive Pomme is he probably used Facebook ads to find those people in the phone. Actually, this is true. I've I was working we've some ABC journalists. And yet they found that a lot of those people had historically liked he's page. So yeah. And it's interesting that what he's done is. He's created a truly national brand. And that's something that a lot of the other parties have struggled to be Stu mainly because they represent quite diverse electorates already. But he's based on the fact that he can go great. I'm just gonna do the same thing everywhere every time, and it's I don't know who he strategists. Aw, probably them through Facebook too. But. Much more, correct? Now, the people operating really successfully on Facebook. And once again, it's nothing new bit Pauline Hanson. She wrecks up. She posted this amazing video yesterday that was these bizarre sort of reunite restore story being reunited with someone who'd written her a letter when she was in jail, and there were seventy thousand views on that. So it's if you can do there's tooled crowd Tango, which allows you to kind of monitor Facebook to a certain extent and I had look yesterday. And I think the top three accounts in a stray Leah. Were Pauline Hanson, and then Fraser running into of interaction in the past six weeks or something point hands? Pulling Hanson phrase running like topping the list this. So they're definitely some politicians who really get how to use it. When you talk about engagement. You know, it really is replicating the success of talkback radio. You know, it's like put something out and wait for them to come and flip to it. And really feel like people think that that idea of being heard is great. I get to have my say, and that can be represented in pure commentary and engagement in up go up go that engagement algorithm on Facebook. Few literally the algorithm is fueled by outrage. Nigel download the show is what you're listening to weei are talking to Sarah Moran from Geico. Geico academy. Rosamund journalist with first draft maximum my name and thousands of Uber drivers around the world in the U K, the US and apparently on a strategy in Brazil have gone on struck this week to demand bit a pain conditions. There are awesome for number of things, but generally sort of describe broadly, proper working conditions so things like proper insurances. Dr is take on all of their own expenses when they become an overdrive, but they obviously pay for their car. They have to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of their car there and causing surender the petrol and the really clever thing about that. On. It was pot is that when there is no demand. They drive is costing them. Absolately nothing hoods very close to their also asking for some really basic things like it'd be of transparency around the way the platform works. So motivated drivers say they really have very little understanding about actually how phys calculated how reasonable and fair. If a I author is face. A R. People. So interestingly the strike happened. Also the day after the Victorian government started publishing a whole bunch of submissions that were made into an inquiry into the gig economy that they launched early this year. And you know, some of these wasn't to be and it wasn't just Uber drivers. There was people like from food door and these food delivery months as well. But you know, a lot of these drivers said the minute they make a complaint there bogged from the platform, and they have no one to contact. They describe it as being kind of like dealing with a ghost. So yeah, they're asking for a whole lot of basic. Work work benefit, some sort of safeties and job securities, which are all traditionally the things that unions have one for workers. But of course, the gig economy is a completely union phrase on I think for two reasons it's kind of hard to organize a union with a workforce like that that is kind of so transient little these companies have been very deliberate in discouraging unionization of the workers as well. I will say that that point about facelessness is really interesting because that is that is a mode in which a lot of companies operate where it's they because I don't have to have a fight unless they doing something like a big IPO will the doing a product launch or trying to get money often they can very easily as an industry just vice it's an app radio blog post and not really engage. And I I guess I think because it was timed around the stock market launch. I expected more response from them. It also sort of speaks to this. The line principle that you guys have brought up this notion that gig economy so to sit somewhere between it sits somewhere between a funded hobby and a job. What do you think the laws around it maybe on so much? What do you think? What do you think the the rights transaction should be like how much he's raising -able given it is such a transient workforce here. Well, I actually signed up to Abe driver when I was starting my company because I saw benefit in may being able to pretty much turn on a job and turn it off as suited may. And so, you know, we've gone from this kind of recruitment angle where everyone's nice and happy and a look we'll pay you really well now to the underside to say, well, actually, he is what you don't get. And that's the tile that went out telling I think in the US in particular, you don't get healthcare, which is tied to your job. And I think that's a much deeper issue globally. But every every ride I take here is subsidized by venture capitalists money. And so the the cost of someone driving. One from debate doesn't change. But who pays for it does? And so I think that's something. I'm really considerate all as a as a consumer like whose rights actually taking away. So when we talk about what what should work is asking for. I get really worried I'm complicit in that. I think it's really hard also though to legislate around that. I mean that is the ultimate sort of aim of these Victorian inquiries to try and make some legislation, and you know, traditionally gotten around these with this loophole by defining its workers as contractors rather than employees. And I think for some people it really works. Like, you said, Sarah, you can turn off and on a job if you're just trying to get a bit of extra cash to subsidize may be launching a company or working on a passion project or something. But there are people for whom this is their full time job, and they may have trouble getting other jobs, for whatever reason so one of the submission to that Victorian inquiry guy talked about how he'd worked for four years. He worked sixty to seventy hour weeks, and he was bringing in about seven hundred. Awake which is less than the minimum wage. So it's yeah, it's very hard. Because how do you kind of for many people that flexibility? And this is response. Always we provide flexible work with the low barrier to entry. So it's you know, we're doing a real service here. But then that fails to account for the people for him. He sees their actual fulltime job. And they probably couldn't run such a successful service with so many cars, if they didn't have those full-time dedicated drivers looking around the world, and this is a total question without notice. I didn't flag. So. Feel free to take wherever you one. Have. There been any countries around the actually three the legal environment. Had I actually changed the why of behinds so because the interesting example, I think we come back to often is how has struggled number tech companies struggled in China because they the way upright the principles which they upright off like fundamentally incompatible with a lot of China systems, but other examples out there, but other examples where you can say that country's laws have actually changed the way has behaved in at least that particular market. The only thing I can say is that locally we have Shaeb which is not about responding to laws, but responding to how has. Gone on and growing their company 'cause I actually that's not the type of company I want to be riding ridesharing services me, she was the feminine women ridesharing service and also they do kids. So every drive. He's driving my com. Oh, yes. But you know, they all of their drivers have working with children checks, and it started off his mom's taxi, and that is definitely not what he was doing. And so I think the market has responded a little bit as well. But in terms of policy. I I mean, the only thing I can think of is I've been I was in Austin Texas in twenty when was that seventeen they will bend. There are a number of around the world if you have banned. But now, I think Uber is now back in Austin, and it often ends up being these kind of standoffs between Uber and and government. But no, they've definitely being banned in places around the world. I guess the reason I bring it up because I'm curious about whether it whether the only kind of toll available to China is behavior is public Shiming banning, and I was just trying to work out if those two relatively blunt hammers and trying to work out if any if anyone had managed to change behavior through legal means in the why that you know, you're paying European parliament of China's laws fundamentally jet privacy with new Judy PR roles. And that's that's everyone in the world through legal means be curious to say if it changes if you've got an examples, let the hashtag ease. Download the show on Twitter mcdonnell's my name. We are here with Moran from Gogi academy and live your from. I are off and we all know about big social media networks like Facebook's and Twitter's and whatnot. But what about small ones just for local areas things like next door, and apparently Amazon won't something called knives. Now in the US the particularly nine for crime keeping track of what crimes going on around you. But otherwise in which you can use low. Social media apps. Also, do you need it at all? I think that these networks exist because they have found a perfect little niche in human nature, which is kind of this nexus of fear and curiosity that they have just been able to capitalize on so. Well, and I mean, I think they exist because they can sell. I mean in theory. Yes, they are improving people's safety and security, but. I dunno. I mean as you said in America crime rates are at their lowest. I want to generalize level. I guess it's point some smaller is blood us more. Probably it's been more complicated picture. Yeah. I did actually go and try and find some statistics about crime rates in a stray Leah. And so seems that most violent crimes things like robberies assaults. Keep nothing's in adoptions are actually generally on the way down. I was able to find ten years back, interestingly sexual assault was on the way out. But I think I'd like to hope that that's actually more to do about as reporters. And the kind of awareness as reporting. But yeah. Everything everything is trending down. So I totally lost my train of thought I think if it's the focus on crime. It's you don't care about crimes at a faraway. You care about climb to close. I would make sense for that to be a high. Attention grabbing aspect of this particular. But just maybe let's focus on just local social media apps in general. What are they good for? I mean, just putting the crime two to one side, sir. Well, it's interesting over these saying a decline in local apps that have likely gauge -ment around restaurants. So that used to be that was a thing a couple of years ago. You know, you you were engaging and you had reward and social credibility. I think. What happens around you is so important, but we're also saying the decline of journalism like local area journalism doesn't report those things in the daily paper everyday. And even if it does less people reading the daily paper, and so the movement to real time news telling and you'll local area, it makes you feel important like, you know, what's happening, and that you can respond, but whether or not that's actually what we need as society is is yet to yet to be explored. I think I mean there there's a few of these there is at least one local social media, wrapping try and I've seen ads for it. I'm actually trying total blank on what it's gold. But for Mehta was comes down to this thing. If like if you can have big Facebook groups for your local area, which lots of people were I'm trying to work out. What any these apps to add value adds that you get from from those groups? Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, one of them which is quite popular in the US and seems to be maybe gaining popularity industry called next door. And one thing that you have to do there is actually prove you live in that area. I think they send a token or something. But no, I completely agree with you. I have a Facebook era for my local group, and I just have these actually very. Ambivalent relationship with it. Because I do think it's nice. You know, people do share some useful information a lot of it is completely useless and I mostly chew now. But next door. Sorry, careful listening. Yep. But you know, sometimes it's useful. But this just deeply depressing about all of the about this idea that we need a social network from able hoods like that's what a neighborhood as you leave NIA people, you should be able to say them and talked to them in real life. And the realities I'm on this Facebook page of my local era, and I wouldn't know any of the people if I walked possum on the straight. And I'm not gonna say hi to them because I don't know who they are. And it's. It's like we don't I live in an apartment series of blocks for years. And I swear to you I could not name more than two people that live in that apartment block. I I do think this some value in it. I agree. There's there's value in that connection. But it doesn't. So like, it should be always on. But it doesn't mean you need to be engaging with it. And so I think what the crime element brings is something. That's always happening. There's always crime somewhere. Even if it's an exa doesn't excuse to be posting and talking about it and keeping those groups alive not my Cup of tea personally. But I know my sister will be like, oh, yeah. There's a new dog in the street. Great. And so I guess particularly given the way communities themselves a changing, we do live in apartment blocks. Now where we don't see each other. So you can see how they come about. But whether or not whether or not we all need them all the time. I go to Jimmy I will say when there's been like suburb wide blackouts. There was some floods not that long ago that sort of stuff was was really interesting to see how people who wouldn't normally engage blog post picture like these streets flooded, if you live you don't go home. It was actually quite interesting to see how the community sort of engage when there was big community binding events. And I've been also told it's quite really really useful in terms if you want to do some sort of community events that sort of running connection councils, and that's tough. In the absence of like established communal public spices. We don't have a townsquare anymore. I do say this sort of the the logic in that stuff the opt into those things, you know, their on if you wanna get involved, you can but previously it was you had to find a poster in a coffee shop to the know about those things. So from a marketing perspective, I completely understand. But it's what the content of that becomes over time is is what will determine what how communities feel if running around scared because all we have here is crime. That's not a good thing. Can I make one more point that I think is interesting considering a lot of these networks, and there's also there's a network that is based on the smart smart doorbell that Amazon sins that that John cells that takes video is essentially of your front doorstep. You know, a lot of them do end up focusing on crime. What I think is really ironic is we buy these devices. We join these networks, very. Little attention to the security of those networks. So a lot of these smart devices are very easily Hackel. Anyone can join onto your smart doorbell. We sign up to these networks with very little I understanding of what they're doing without data. So there's a great irony there in that. We think we're keeping getting making safer, and we're just completely blink his onto a whole element of security. Yeah. It wouldn't be the end of the show didn't end fame off the internet will destroy us. All and just like that. We are out of time. How Sarah thank you so much for coming back. 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BGN Radio #63: 53-Man Roster Predictions

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BGN Radio #63: 53-Man Roster Predictions

"Hi this is Jim from the step over the rollers podcast. Talking Seventy sixers tune in this off season is my Coz Max Nighthawk next steps and slowly recovered from sixers raptors game seven over over a span of many many months were listen back to old episodes and make fun of how Romney were to be confident only on the espionage and Podcast Network Ladies and gentlemen. Can I please have your attention. I've just been handed urgent and horrifying news story all the Stop what you're doing listen. Hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to B._G._N.. Radio this is episode number sixty three. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com you can follow me on twitter at John Stolnis. We're just a week away from the start of training camp so the dead zone is almost over everybody. We're GONNA have some actual football to talk about here in a little bit but we got a lot of good stuff on the program today as well <hes> we got an interesting story about Doug Peterson Howie Roseman and the relationship between those two guys thoughts from from Jianye on what makes Doug Peterson so darned successful. We'll take a look at some Eagles Training Camp Roster battles by way of predicting the fifty three man roster and beal g and I will give you some bold predictions for the two thousand nineteen season and will throw a Hashtag your way towards the end of the episode so you can do the same as well joining me as he does. Every week is the man behind bleeding green nation dot com may he forever reign. You can follow him on twitter at Branagan Brennan g how you doing Pal John. I'm doing well. Training camp is right around the corner just wrapped up my eagles position preview series or training cam and after going through the roster more position by position <hes> definitely have some maybe new thoughts or some new insights to certain certain little things going on on the roster after really kind of just getting in there and taking a closer look that will come up here in our fifty three man roster talk all right. That's great yeah I mean I I had a little bit of trouble there. Some obvious guys that you know we're going to be on the fifty three but there's <hes> it's the guys around the edges that are the most interesting and you never know when they're gonNA pop up and you're going to have to rely on them during the course of the season so we'll get into that coming up here in just a minute but I wanted to start off with some comments that Doug Peterson made this week <hes> that I thought were were really enlightening as as to why I think he's a good head coach Nick why you think he's a good head coach as we look back on some of the failed marriages between eagles head coaches and general managers. There's been a lot of power struggles during the course of Eagles History Recent Eagles History <hes> we saw it obviously with chip Kelly and Howie Roseman to the point where Roseman got banished to a whole other part of the Novacare Complex Howie Roseman got last lap and as it turned out on that one but Andy Reid also battled for control of the roster and Ray Rhodes battled for control the roster so I mean going back to the nineteen nineties this has been a thing with eagles head coaches and this is the we're going into the fourth year of marriage between Doug Peterson and Howie Roseman and there doesn't seem to be any kind of issue there and it's because of Doug Peterson he in his book to the media. I got this NJ DOT COM but I don't know if this was anywhere else and he he basically said listen. I was hired to be the head football coach not the general manager I was hired to teach football how he was hired to do the job that he does. There has to be great communication and Great Dialogue Between Those Department's coaching and scouting he said when I came here in two thousand sixteen that was not my expertise talking about getting players I can sit here and watch tape and write a report and say this guy can do this this and this and until we get them in the building and coach up he just don't know you lean so much on our scouting department department and so he talks about the open and transparent relationship that he has with Howie Roseman but what I really liked about this B.. L. G. is that Doug Peterson seems to know himself. He's a self aware guy. He's a humble guy and I think that has you know we always hear like in the corporate world and really probably even in the sports sports world everything else you do the media world for sure you gotta be cut throat to get ahead. You've got to be looking out for yourself. Willing to step on the guy below you to to move up in Doug. Peterson doesn't seem to be that kind of Guy Beeld Vick now. I think really you know looking back at it and Doug Peterson is really just the one eighty version of chip Kelly in many ways <hes> not just in terms of not wanting personnel power but just even as aggressiveness like we always talk about that Doug ended up being what we wanted to chip Kelly to be as a coach and now with the personnel aspect in the fact that Doug is very hands off in that regard. I mean it's kind of the dream when you think about the ideal D._M.. Head coach appearing I mean like in theory. Your coach should be doing everything he can to possibly win. You know this week this next game. They need to do everything they can so you want their focus to be on that and when you had chip Kelly you wanted his focus to be on that you didn't want it to be on the long-term outlook so that's a conflict flicked of interest rate there yet to Kelly Doug Peterson the head coach whoever it is should always be focused more on the short term. It's not their job so much to develop a player five years down the road. I mean player. Development is part of coaching. Yes <hes> that's an element like that's not their mean objectively. Their main objective is to win this week. They can't worry about like trying to give someone extra reps in developed somewhat knowing they they need to win now on the other side harassment the front office. It's you know they can look at the long-term outlook of this thing and be like okay you know we're we're focused not just on this week but down the road as they have to be you know they have to consider the the salary cap in draft picks and all those implications <hes>. I'm sure there are moments maybe or our discussions or debates. Whatever you WANNA call it where there's there's always going to be a conflict of interest just with those two sides and as we talk about the fifty three man roster here that's kind of something to consider where you know? Doug Peterson might want Darren sproles on the roster because he feels like during scrolls can help him win like this week right now <hes> whereas Howie Roseman and the rest of the front office might be like well done has been hurt and signing him. You know might not be the best where the long-term outlook. We have Boston Scott here. We believe in him as a future player as me giving anything I'm not saying that's what's happening with that specifically but I think that's the kind of you know the two different outlooks you have here in for Doug Peterson the be so hands off. It's just ideal because you can just let the personnel staff in the front office do what they do and just focus on coaching member Lin Andy Reid when Casey originally and when he was talking about how like it was just so nice for him to to get away from the personnel and <hes> you know Kinda be done with having to think about all that and just focus on coaching so hopefully that continues to maintain here. I really think it will like. I've never thought that Doug is the kind of guy who's GonNa make a power play that you just does not seem like it's him or he's he's interested in in. Why would he be a he? He won a super bowl with the model where he didn't have to pick his player. So why not continue that you know it's an interesting. The thought is what if Andy Reid never did get control of the roster and he just focused on coaching and game planning with that roster that he was given would they have been even more successful mighty have won a super bowl. I mean I don't know how distracting it is but I know there were times when when a coach has the has the ability and the authority to cut a player or has to make a decision on trading player or something like that it's going to affect how they treat them as a coach to those those really need to be two separate for jobs you know in baseball the other sport that cover managers don't have control over the roster and it really rears its head a lot when during the trade deadline when there's a you know when the team has a shortage and there's a lot of holes that need to be filled a manager just says I have to play with the guys that I have on my roster. I gotTa make sure I can go out and win with the with the twenty five guys that I have right now and I can't worry about what we might have next week and I think that's the way it should be for coaches and general managers. There's a reason why there's there's a delineation generally generally speaking between those two jobs. I don't I know bill parcells said he you know he's going to do the cooking then he should be able to go buy the groceries. Maybe there are some guys who who can do that. Well Bill Belichick can do that really well. I'm glad Doug Peterson not trying it because I suspect act eat when you have your your your mind divided between doing two different jobs. It's going to affect the one job you had before. I would think negatively even if it's just a little bit yeah. Absolutely I think deals are fortunate and I think that when you know the the change happened meaning you know from Chip Kelly over the Doug Peterson knows wondering like okay. I think this could work out. I think going back to the will where the eagles were in terms of the Andy Reid era could work out because it worked for them before but I also wondered like if it lacked division of it lacked <hes> ingenuity are they just like well. This didn't work or it's going to go back to what we did before right. So you know try something dis- keep trying to forge ahead and thankfully you know for their sake. It worked out and I'm sure they're going to be a model is is a stable model. You know there's no there's no power play happening here. You know you have hirose and at the top you've Doug Peterson as the head coach and that's that's great. Hopefully that's something equals can build on for years all right bill will we are just a week away from the start of training camp. It's I think it'll be good to talk some Eagles football again. I know that I'm looking forward to talking some eagles football. <hes> you know even as a guy who loves baseball on and loves the PHILLIES IN PODCASTS about the phillies. I'm I'm burned out on that sport man. It's been a rough summer and I think the whole city is ready for Eagles football to get underway and for training camp battles to get underway and you know listen we we have been talking about it all summer long. This is not a team with a lot of holes. They're not going to be a lot of roster battles for starting positions. I think we pretty much know if everybody's healthy who's going to be in the starting lineup from week to week but there are some positions where that's not the case where there there are some muddied waters a little bit so we're going to go through right now and give you are fifty three man roster. I will start off with the offense. Let's start with the quarterback position and I'M GONNA go out on a limb here and I'm going to say Carson. wentz is the number one quarterback for this team had now two thousand nine. I know hot. Take bold prediction on that. I'm saying it's I didn't make that one of my bold predictions for later in the show but I mean I guess we could we could make it one <hes> winces <hes> it went to the number one quarterback but <hes> seriously looking at the at the Q._B.. Roster I guess the battle will be for number three quarterback right. I don't even think there's one to be honest with you done <hes>. I think it's Carson. I think you'd snake felt as your number two and then I think it's Clayton Thorson make the team as a number. Three Cody Kessler was clearly the fourth string quarterback in spring drills. He barely took reps even again. He was always fourth. The guy's lack of arm strength is so apparent so I think he's just a camp body. I think Thorson makes the team is number. Three now thorson needs to show a little more than he didn't spring. I guess he might in the preseason games. I don't need to awesome. I just think he needs to so something. That's like okay. That's why they drafted him. That's why he's worth developing so I don't need to see something from him in camp preseason and but I think it's pretty cut and dry when it comes to Carson's your starter nate sutter the backup and then Clayton Thorson as the that you'll drafted in the fifth round and are presumably going to develop i. I'm not overly comfortable with Nate Seinfeld as the number two obviously but that's the direction the team is going to go here with the backup quarterback and you know I don't i. I'm not wild about the fact of having a really good veteran quarterback on <hes> Carson wentz his heels. I Want Carson to just kind of know this job. This is not be looking over his shoulder everytime bad game ojea. They're going to bring fitzpatrick in now. You know I I don't I don't want something like that but I also am a little concerned with with Nate Seinfeld as as the backup quarterback but I'm looking forward to seeing what he what he brings to the table in training camp and I'll be relying on your eyes while you're down there <hes> watching him every day and hopefully your upbringing back some some good reports on on Saalfeld. Let's look at the running back position here beal G. and again. I think we know who at least two of these guys are. Jordan Howard Mile Sanders of Fifth Sandra's hamstring ever decides to be healthy again will be your top two running backs as far as the back end of the running back crew and the matching they keep four running backs on this roster beal or do you think they just go with three and if so who's the third year that's kind of an interesting spot to <hes> <hes> to look at here. I think that's one of the more real training camp battles really for the second year in a row. There was a battle for fourth spot last year. We are kind of looking at that which is funny because it really didn't matter you know at the moment you know it's like who doesn't really matter too much for running back is the eagles are set one too. I think it will be Jordan Howard as you're really you're kind of one a early in the year especially with sanders you know missing time in spring practice and having this hamstring issue <hes> and then just getting up to speed with the playbook and and you know some of the issues he had in terms of pass blocking and fumbling in college I just. I don't think you don't think he's the Guy Right at the gate so <hes> I think he'd come on as the season goes along definitely think that can happen <hes> so those are one to Jordan Howard Howard Mile Sanders and then corey climate has to be number three <hes> assuming he's healthy. I'm guessing he will be he was doing rehab work in spring practices. I'm guessing he'll be ready for camping if not right out of the gate maybe a week or two into we'll see be great to get him back a pass catching third down back in this offense and then. I don't think it's impossible that you could keep five windows smaller. The seems to always be on this roster he does. He's ubiquitous sadly nothing against window personally a dislike we we can probably do better the eagles like his special teams. I was GONNA say how is he is a special teams guy because some of these some of these positions are going to be mostly special teams guys right. Yeah I mean he played some some of the most special teams snaps among the team last zero so the eagles count on him there but hopefully this move on honestly in my projection. I have small at off because I just feel like Easter guy and is he really any yet like claimed if you cut him like I think he'll be out there on the market if you needed to bring him back for injury your or some some other reason so that leaves me with John Adams. Who was the eagles leading rusher last year writing the rest of your? I don't get it with him in terms of like where his path is to make the roster some people are like Oh. You can't forget about Josh Adams in the Mike. I'm not forgetting about him. It's just that he doesn't really elite pass catcher. He doesn't really help out on special teams especially as a returner or anything. Where are you seeing his role on the team like I just don't understand <hes> my keep him around so to me? My fourth running back in the situation will be Boston Scott not yet. They talked him up a lot. During minicamp Didn Doug Peterson Literally Talk About him as a potential Darren sproles replacement which I thought was very straightforward and Kinda surprising that that yeah and he saw the first team part return reps so like if he's not returning punts <hes> who is I notice Sean might do some of it but I was specifically looking through punt return numbers for a special teams preview. Yes I actually did that on bleeding nation dot com you can check that out and the Shaun has averaged three point three are- punt returns for season since two thousand twelve twenty three total against since the start of the two thousand policies and so it's not something he's exactly done a lot lately and he turns thirty three this season. I don't know how much returns he's going to be doing but then I was looking back through Boston Scott part return history too and he had none in college. He has never done it in a regular season game so I think that's kind of an interesting spot there the fact that he's getting the first team reps makes it seem like he's going to get that chance to be that guy and I think if he shows something there and he fits the profile of a player who could be a good partner. You know like in that sproles mode are mold. I should say a little guy who's in kind of make people miss so I'm guessing it will be Scott but I'm not super confident often that one hundred percent. I need to see something from him this summer but I don't think he's he's locked in already like Botham dot show me something this summer see. I don't understand I mean punt. Returning seems so easy. All you have to do is track a ball that comes off the foot fifty yards on in the air watching it in the sky the whole time knowing that ten other screaming maniacs are running down the field looking to knock your head off and then trying to figure out if you can catch it whether or not you should run with it afterwards and if you're GONNA run with it afterwards running the into the right direction so that you might be able to gain some positive yardage do not get smashed in fumbled the ball and turn the ball back over seems like an easy job to me. I I think the less experienced the better you know I've always I've always thought punt returning the craziest job because you know that there's like a freight train heading towards you and yet you can't look at so you've got you've got to look at the ball in the air and try and secure that thing and man I'd fair catch every time just wouldn't even wouldn't even factor the running part into it after after I brought the ball in man all right. Let's but that's why I don't play football. Let's Look Wide Receiver Alshon Jeffery Sean jackson-nelson Accident Nelson Aguilar J._J.. Sega whiteside. I think those four guys are locked in. How many wide receivers do you think they keep? And who do you see on the on the back end of this as well so we know the top four are pretty locked in barring trade which I get to hear a little VIP so often Jeffrey <unk> taxing Nelson idler are easily your top three digit are they await side obviously making the team as a second round pick beyond those four. It's not quite locked in. I would say right now I would project Matt Collins as my Fifth Guy I think you a special teams. Contribution should give him a leg up as making that kind of fifth spot there any still younger and we did see some positive contributions from him back in two thousand seventeen in limited playing time and then that six spot or the fifth spot pending how you WanNa look at it. I don't think it's shocking Gibson like almost as good of a preseason. I felt like as you could have last year and yet the only had one reception in the regular season. I don't know what he could do to win win a spa so you've Charles Johnson in the mixed their marketing Michelle who looked good that the N._F._l.. Guy In spring practices will kind of need to see how he looks in training camp and if he was just you know a guy flashes in the spring then doesn't show up on the pads. Go on so there's kind of like a real battle for that spot we can throw in again Greg Ward in there. The Tompkins undrafted rookie free agent who also has some returnability so there's kind of an interesting battle if you like that kind of thing and consider that kind of thing interesting at the bottom of the roster there but one of the the more bigger things out and talk about at this position. John is the Nelson Lord Trade Possibility. Yes looking at it more than it's just. It's such a weird thing to me that the eagles are really going to go into the season paying this guy nine point four million and I think he's GonNa have a reduced role this year. I really do looking at some of the projections. E._S._p._N.'s Mike Clay did one recently so. Let's say let me set this up for you. So in two thousand eighteen last year Nelson Adler had seven hundred thirty six yards and four touchdowns okay so so in two thousand seventeen he had seven hundred sixty eight yards and eight touchdowns so like you know a pretty significant role right I mean he was the starting slot receiver this year. Mike lays production Adler has thirty six receptions for four hundred ten yards so about three over three hundred yards fewer than the past two seasons and only three touchdowns. That's a drop in production now. Why is that because how are you getting Dallas? Got Her on the field. The that's the question right yeah exactly. You're going to go to more twelve personnel that means you're going less less eleven personnel and are you taking Sean Jackson off the field. I don't think so user deep threat. Are you taking all Sean Jeffrey off the field. I don't think so you're number. One wide receiver so I think Adler is the guy who's kind of the odd man out when you think about that if you're Nelson Igor. I mean how are you feeling about your goal potentially being decreased here as you're entering a contract year. You're going to be ready to after the site so I think that dynamic is still like a little weird to me. I feel like they might just keep back on this nine point four because they're trying to contend mm ten for super bowl and it's not like traffic is going to help them more than nothing Adler would this year but maybe if they could trade him for a player at another position. That could help this year main hike. How is that not on the table? Yeah I would think it should be and you're right because it's one of the things I talked about with my why sneaky concerns a couple of weeks ago was finding enough balls for everybody to be happy making making the offense go when when you've got Galore and you've got you WanNa get got hurt more involved and everybody talks about God or does <hes> as a breakout guy this year of it seems to me we both financially and from a roster standpoint that it makes sense to try and find a suitor in Portugal are too. I would imagine like you said it's a contract year. He probably wants to put as many yards and catches as possible so that'll be definitely something to watch here in training camp <hes> let's look at the tight end Zach Hurts Dallas Goddard obviously one and two I have Josh Perkins as the number three tight end <hes> kind of a guess on my part <hes>. What did they look like in minicamp? Who who do you think had the edge there? Will you are wrong John Unfortunately for Yo com. It's IT'S GONNA be Richard Rogers <hes> he's just having a good camp last year good summer prior to suffering that knee injury that cost him nine games or so last year <hes> he's looking solid as a number three tight end. I mean obviously ideally you do not want him out there at all but like if he asked to fill in for or a game or two on a Lake Trey Burton had step up back in two thousand seventeen when Misa game. I'm not saying Richard. Drivers is Trey Burton. I'm just saying like you. That's a guy who can count on to get you through a game or two there. He's a he's a solid number three tight end who oh you know he's not fast but he can. He's decent hands decent bacher and he's also a good special teams contributor and more most importantly probably the most important factor here John Is. He's the emergency long snapper so Rick Levato so that Kinda helps to absolutely let's look at the offensive line to finish off the offense here and obviously we're. I'm not putting Brandon Brooks among the fifty three man because it seems as though he's almost certainly going to miss the beginning of the season so I have a Jason Peters Isaac Saint Ramallo Jason Kelsey Lane Johnson big the Wiz Dillard and Jordan my Lada as my eight offensive lineman. Who Do you have so I have ten? I'm keeping broke up fifty three. I think between Dickson Kelsey saying that he thinks brooks will be ready Eddie if not for week one like pretty early in the season and then there was a report from Howard Eskin asking this heard that he believes Brooks will be ready pretty early in the season if not week one and he said something like zero doubt which is a loud very bold race <hes> <hes> so yeah. I'm guessing he's not going to be on the list. I don't know if you start to be won by just don't he goes on P._D.. So <hes> I have Jason Peters Isaac Somali Jason Kelsey Brandon Brooks. Maybe not starting leak on policy <hes> Lane Johnson Big v Although you know big V if Brooks is healthy and that he goes really liked the progress they're seeing from both Andre Dillard end towards my Lada win big V who's going to be a free to after this year suddenly becomes expendable especially if you know team as a starting offensive tackle go down so adding the trade is possible but bum keeping him on the roster for now under dillard obviously makes it with obviously makes it easier backup center and a backup on the interior at guard as well and I have Jordan my Lotta making team. I don't think the draft him in spent a year developing him just to cut him a season later. I'll be like you know if he was just like abysmal this summer for some reason. I don't think he will be but if he was like that's how he could potentially get cut. We just showed no development at all and like he showed that he wasn't taking taking things seriously. That's how the kind of and I don't think that's the case. I'm just saying that would be what that looks like and then ten spot. Don't feel like awesome about it. Don't feel like it's set in stone by any means but I'm keeping Matt Pryor around. You'll spend six on last year your he didn't play at all <hes> he didn't see a single snap us on the active for one game week seventeen and he didn't again he did not play at all but I I think deals Kinda envision him in my mind as a future like Alan Barber a guy who can start with guard and tackle these really big guy and he showed some <hes> good potential and training camps to your for kind of struggling in the preseason I think prior could kind of be the top backup guard next year so if they wanNA keep him around and kind of go heavy on the offensive line. I think they could keep him well. Let's move onto the defense after we take a a quick break. We'll give you our our roster predictions for the defensive side of the ball up next here on p._G._N.. Radio this episode is brought to you by Cox With Contour T._v.. From Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place yes it. Does it have the youtube you Bet El what about that net flicker thing net flicks too and although superhero movies come to her has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contoured TV from Cox and we're back on B._G._N.. Radio so it's just a a week before training camp is <hes> set to begin at the Novacare Complex in Philadelphia. We are giving you are fifty three man roster predictions and look in some of the <hes> looking at some of the training camp battles that could be taking place here <hes> as the team gets ready for the two thousand nineteen season. We did offense before the break. Let's get into into the defense here and let's get into the position that I think you and I both agree probably has the least amount of depth on the roster and that's the defensive end position random Graham Derek Barnett vinny curry three locks to make it. I think Josh Sweat. Would you agree as probably a fourth locked to make the team barring something unforeseen happening in training camp after those four guys <hes> what does the rest of the defensive end position look like for you yes so I would say branding Ram Derek Burnett vinnie hurry or the one hundred percent lots right honestly no. They're not going anywhere. Brennan Graham in Barnet probably your starters which doesn't mean everything on this team because how much they rotate their defensive ends but I think it'll be those two taking the bulk of the defensive end snaps with vinny curry working in their off the bench fairly often and so who so still get a lot of playing time then after that in we'll see like it's not it's not set in stone. Josh Sweat I would say is the front runner right now for that fourth job. Vintage team has some kind of belief in him. You know coming off of this rookie rookie season you know where he was the fourth round pick and has athletic potential. You told me twenty two you can see like the path for your Josh wet and how he could be something to this team but I also feel like an apologies to the Jesuit high out out there. If such a thing as <hes> I can also see the path where like he's nothing like he's does not anything. He doesn't turn into N._F._l.. Player like I don't think people are giving enough weight to that possibility it. Which is why I think myself in you? John and others are kind of worried about that. We don't know Gosh what's going to be anything. He might not be the could be. It's a total unknown it might have been with some potential and then beyond him you have probably cherise Miller final pick of the fourth round. This year sure I would imagine he doesn't really play much at all barring injury you kind of just keep him around the guy that you're developing behind the scenes for so then you have some guys pushing for those fourth slash fit spots on the roster like day Sean Hall who's actually on the team last year and <hes> Joel Stern is obviously around two <hes> so those guys will try to make it competitive in earn job on the roster but yeah I mean I'm not feeling awesome about that. You know that rotation outside of the top three in you know looking back to when the Eagles won the Super Bowl talked about many times in two thousand seventeen you know they went four deep. They they had a lot of depth there they could count on Brandon. Graham Vinny Curry Chris Long End Dirk Burnett ought to play at least like forty five percent of the snaps and give them real playing time. I think this year <hes> the rotation is GonNa look a little bit something more like it did back in almost two thousand sixteen when the eagles were kind of going the relied more on three guys and then they kind of had a four th guy who was only like twenty percent of the snaps as opposed to at least everyone being around like forty five or fifty or so and I guess Joshua would be that kind of twenty percent guy. It's always possible bringing in a veteran here although dark morgan retired so it's GonNa be him. Hannah Barton will still Z.. <unk> again. We talked about why that really doesn't make sense as a football move my opinion so I really don't know who it's going to be in you know again. They suffered injury one of those top three guys so all of a sudden Josh wet is one of your top three. I don't love that and I don't have to make a trade that they're going to have to find it to do something that I think at that point they would bring Connor Barth back now that that would solve anything but I think the point I'm assuming he sought there. Yes so I just I don't feel great about it. You know <unk> Jackson in theory could take some of these reps at defensive end in China can shoot there as well as position. He's played for three defensive end in addition to defensive tackle at something that people have talked about. Maybe that's possible that I I didn't see him doing that at all in the spring that doesn't mean he can't do it when on the season rolls around but it's dislike. I don't really think that's like a huge plan on the radar right now so yeah it's it's not a spot that I feel as good as I want to see you think they go with five on the active roster or four. I think it's at least five okay yeah I had six initially on mine but I didn't have as many offensive Lineman as you did so I <hes> trying to work out the math but I have six I had sweat Oestmann and Miller as my six but that's simply because I'm not I'm not sure sure what we have with Sweat Osmond or Miller so trying to hedge my bets and <hes> and keep as many of those guys around as I can because if you are going to run a rotation that such an important position <hes> to Jim Swartz they seem to be much stronger defensive tackle this year the. The hope is that you don't need to be quite deep all at defensive end because you have Fletcher Cox. You have me Jackson Timmy Jernigan. You have Trayvon Hester those those your four top guys and I have Hassan Ridgway as a fifth defensive tackle making this team. Has that too many like if you're keeping six defensive ends is is five tackles too many for this team I am five but I may have five and STU so ten total defensive line. I've okay hidden total often environment intend to little defensive. Lineman doesn't seem crazy to me just because you know you will happen to value the trenches Yom but yeah I think Jackson are your starters at defensive tackle to journey in hopefully known as healthy. He's he's back because as I was talking about with Ben Celek on between radio episode sixty two or whenever it was last sixty to you actually see to <hes> reason why we're excited about the season I mean that that trio right there is assuming Jackson bounces back from his struggles. Assuming Jernigan is healthy so you know it's not guaranteed. There's some things have to happen there. If it all comes together <hes> I think that could not really good trio and then you have trayvon Hester who I thought was a pretty decent rotational backup player last year he can use your fourth guy and then maybe ridgway makes it as a fifth guy will see. That's something that will. I'm sure we'll see play out in training camp. If you deserve that spot or not ah but yeah I think for as much as I feel a little bit uneasy about -fensive end no defensive tackle film pretty good about that group one of the positions I'm really intrigued with his linebacker and this is obviously a position where the eagles play just two linebackers a lot of the time they're in. They're in nickel for a a large number of large percentage snaps during the course of any game but I was definitely worried about the linebacker depth heading into the off season and I don't think there's a star on this team at linebacker but they seem to have improved the depth although I don't know how they find enough space for all the guys has that they have here so there's Nigel batum. There's Collingridge Hill. There's eljay Ford Zac Brown Nick Gary. That's five guys there. That seems like a lot of linebackers for teen. That's only gonNA really ever have to on the field at one time. Is that too many. Is there a number crunch there and if so who's the odd man out I think five in part just because you know those guys are going to be logging. A lot of special teams reps the backend guys yeah so I think Nigel batum obviously is probably going to be your linebacker plays the most out of everyone assuming healthy you mentioned anchin John that the US to linebackers mostly and that's true but sometimes they really liked. Tell me use one and I I think Brandon will be that guy in that case the exact round who had like interested the sea now how he fits into this roster again. I'm not like like <hes> one hundred percent convinced yet like he could eat going to be the guy who gets the second most amount of reps or snaps at linebacker in part because accused running with the second team in spring drills. Maybe that bears out differently in the summer and he steps up <hes> easily. She could no again watching this guy when he he would play with Washington he would always stand out to me in a really good way. So maybe we see some more of that. I think basically thinking about it. More I feel exact Brown is kind of Michael Hendricks. I forget if we've talked about that but I feel like that's kind of a good comparison. Really talented athletically makes those splash plays but isn't always a favor of coaching staff because he doesn't really call the defense and he kind of isn't the most assignment sound player you might be freelancing a little all too much <hes> so that's kind of a comparison that in thinking about for him I think could potentially take another step forward after he kinda did last year. Although I guess right now kind of project him to be more of the weakside linebacker third most snaps of the guys who actually play out in the field <hes> Nate Gary. He's GonNa make the team by backer coach. Ken Delay is really talking him up the spring exceptionally so so I think he's making the team Eljay Fort Man. I don't know if he makes the team. That's one of those wow now i. I currently have him on to be clear. I'm just saying like if you're keeping him. You're losing that fourth round. Pick potentially that the common Satori pick that you would get and obviously Sunday hill is in that equation to and we will get him later in a little bit here so I have a hard time. I'm thinking they're going to cut for it because the Eagles said back in March that he was a quote unquote target free agent for them. Yes signed him early yeah he also you know I think he's going to be a key contributor on special teams but at the same time thinking about it more I thought thought like okay I'm Jay Ford had reportedly like multiple suitors after him which is part of the Eagles signed him early. That's believable. Why why would they be in a rush? If they an through other offers out there and why would they give him one point nine million guaranteed so my thinking is that you know if it comes down to later in the summer and the team kind of looking for linebacker depth or help out there. Maybe they lose a starter in. They need someone if you trade for for even just the minimum compensation you could get which is basically at twenty twenty seventh round pick. It would really be trading him for fourth ascent began compensatory. Is that a trade you know you would make backup linebacker for our fourth and seventh and in addition to that he goes would also save one point eleven million and cap space so you'd be saving some caps as you'd be getting a fourth and a seventh Rebecca P- linebacker these trading John I would and I guess it all comes down to what you think of Zac Brown at that point because it feels to me like the Eagles Guts Act Brown simply because he was there like it was an opportunity by you know it wasn't the Eljay fort felt like someone they targeted. ZAC Brown felt like someone hey. This guy's still here he. He's willing to come play on a on a small deal. Let's go out and make it happen and you just get ourselves some more depth at linebacker but you know given everything you just said. If ZAC DOC Brown plays well in in in training camp you what you say makes a lot of sense I just I they really did target for it I think I think that they saw something in him. You know where they talked right after they. They signed him as a potential start at middle linebacker backer didn't they. I mean that was part of the conversation. Is You know maybe he could be that guy because I don't think I mean is Nigel Br Adam guaranteed the middle linebacker spot. I think that's all I think a lot of those positions are up for grabs. I think we'll start in the middle just because he has the experience calling the defense he obviously did it. When Hicks was out these past two years and I think shorts really likes pat him but yeah it'll be interesting to see who's on the back end of the spots? I don't even think we mentioned Paulo like he could potentially be in the mix. <hes> today Edwards was is looking good drafted rookie free agent and spring about him think he'll probably make the practice squad if he makes it through waivers but I mean he could push for the roster like that'll be a not super exciting battle to watch because again that player probably won't even play much on defense but it's kind of one of those of your you know you're following along with fifty three trying to make your own projection. That'll be one of the more tougher spots to figure out unless we we see guys step up in camp in summer. Let's get into the position where I think there is going to be <hes> the most interesting battle for for starting shooting positions and that's a cornerback you've got jalen Mills Ronald Darby avantis Matic's Russell Douglas Sidney Jones curve on the block six guys all in the mix for playing time. I don't know how they're going to find playing time for all these different guys you mentioned Nelson Galarza Trade candidate big visa trade candidate. I know one. The cornerbacks is obviously probably GONNA come up in trade conversations during training camp or the early part of the season too. I WOULD THINK B L G do they go with six corners. Are Those six guys so right now. I kind of cheating live at five on the roster but let me explain. I'm not convinced that deal mills is going to be ready early. In the season. I think back to what I've been talking about all offseason with that thing about David garrow talking about he doesn't even know deal mill is going to be ready. I think back to the fact that deal Nilsson's pretty invisible during spring practice like he didn't practice at all but he wasn't even on the sideline except for maybe one practice I remember him at so. He just seemed like outta sight outta mind that we don't know where he is in terms of his recovery as opposed to like Ronald Darby who's doing individual the drills and kind of warming up with the team. I would think he's closer to returning deal mills for right now. I'm keeping deal meals on the P._C._p.. Louis so I'm saying he's out for the first six weeks. He's in at the very least and I think that might be a smart move by the eagles does he kinda gives him extra time and it allows the other guys in the meantime to kind of to show what they've gotten what you have in them now. I don't think that's a move that film is a love because again. He's going to be freed after this season so that's kind of you know another another interesting dynamic to watch for the s for the five that I have on the roster here Ronald Darby who is going to be your starter. I mean that's not that's not a debate like right. He's talented guy and they signed him to a point five million dollar contract like right to bring him back they did. They didn't do that so he could sit. The dense maddox is just too good to not be on the field to me in some capacity. Whether that's I'm guessing he's going to be your primary nickel guy but like you know if you're not playing nickel and you have two quarterbacks on the field. I feel like he should be out there at least some of the time he's really really good in my opinion from what I've seen from him. I think he's taken another leap from layer was last year just what I saw on spring now. That's you know small sample size by I. I really feel good about Devante. <hes> Douglas also feeling good about him. I think he's probably a starting if he starting if mills end or Darby aren't ready wreak one in also potentially if they're not really gonNA maddox fulltime job on the outside it could be him starting nest opposite of Ronald Darby deal mills missing time this was resolved. I think the third year now I think he's showing good signs of being ready for starting. I really like what I've seen a renewal so where does that leave Sidney Jones on this list it puts what's in fourth man. I want to read you John. Here's something that day Sparrow wrote about Sidney Jones in his post on Philadelphia Eagles Dot Com titled Five intriguing players to watch in two thousand eighteen training camp at what is Sidney Jones. We're GONNA find out because. Joneses squarely in the thick of an extremely interesting cornerback picture who's on to give a little bit was background says has nothing guaranteed is going to be a starter. Is he going to be a backup. Does he make the roster now like hello like are we not not to me. I look at that in Spiro. It doesn't mean everything Ryan than even says to be fairly. Maybe that's a bit of a reach but like the fact that we're even asking that question is Sidney Jones GonNa make the roster and I think the answer is yes but like it's not great. There's a disconnect Sunni tones to me John in the sense of like I really liked him coming into the draft before he got hurt once he got hurt. I was a little more skeptical of the rear projection because that injury and the history of drafting injured players has been great. There are awesome exceptions. You can point to Jalen Smith and someone in the comments this week at B._G._N.. was like Oh you're so harsh on Sidney Jones biaggi thinking about Jalen Smith and okay. Maybe Syndrome steps up this year but I don't see it like where's He. Who's he playing over? Should he be playing over Monte automatic. I don't think so L. Avantis look good and even result like I've seen more out of advantage in Rassoul than I have Sidney Jones for these like pass ever since last year basically when they were all planning on made more plays than Sydney has yeah that's true too and I'm you know I'm not GonNa Cut Jones just to keep Leblanc right <hes> but yeah I agree and I have a bunk on the roster twos my fifth winner but yeah I just I think people want Sidney Jones to be a thing and I wants needs to be a thing. I'm not rooting against the guy but I'm saying I think people are projecting too much when it comes to Sidney Jones like they're they see the package like he's only twenty two years this potential Bubba and they might be right and I might end up looking stupid for it but like right now. I don't think you just hand in the starting to highlight. That's not where it should be at like to me. It should be whoever is playing well. It's the starting job we're not going to hand it to Sidney Jones because he was a second round pick and he has like potential in theory. No he has to earn it and I don't. He's earned it yet so I think it'll be on the roster and I think it's Jones could a really important piece for this team next year because he's going to be free agent after this year and so as Dale Mills so Sidney Jones potentially be starter as soon as next year and be like you know unimportant piece for this team but two thousand nineteen I still see John. I guess that's I guess sets a reason to hope that he gets a few more snaps. <hes> this therapy is going to potentially be a starter in two thousand twenty but obviously this team is super bowl or bust this year and you're not gonNA play him over the guys who are playing better than him for sure. He's very frustrating player. Wish really would be interesting to see what would have happened if he hadn't gotten her right before rep for the draft although the eagles probably wouldn't have gotten him if that had happened anyway so let's look at the safety position here bill. We're just about done with the Defense Malcolm Jenkins <hes> is obviously <hes> is obviously going to be on the opening day roster here. You've got Roddy McLeod. Hopefully he's going to be healthy enough to go and then you know some of the questions with third and fourth safety you know if you've got Anderson Day who also has the compensate Tori pick fourth round thing going on with him as well and Trae Sullivan and some some other guys hi sue could potentially be your third or fourth safeties. How many do you see the team carrying and who'd he got so Malcolm? Jenkins is going to be on the team. Obviously hopefully I'm hoping you know the eagles workout. His contract situation is still no still in the air still nothing on that front. I could change. Maybe as camp gets even closer here the next week we'll see on a wait and see on that one I run in the cloud seems to be optimistic that he'll be ready for week. One that seems like a reasonable projection considering he only got hurt and September last year and now as opposed to late in the season and he also was participating in some of the Rehab stuff US warming up with the team in spring drills so it seems like he's kind of making good progress there. I mean if those guys are healthy and they're all good like them pretty good about that. As a starting safety the duo I am a little bit worried about math Jenkins as a guy who's averaged a thousand snaps preseason basically over his ten years of his career. He's entering his eleventh. I just wonder when that wear and tear is going to start the show with him. I would not bet against Malcolm Jenkins does he. He is a total pro who takes care of his body. You know saw like kind of that's why I am not super panicked about it but it's just like something in my mind and I also wonder you know how close to one hundred percent is running out. I'm going to be coming off this A._C._l.. Injury he obviously has a lot of motivation into play wealth as well as a number other players easily be free to after the year but yeah so after those two starters you're looking at Anderson Day. Who I think is more of a lock to make the team now like I thought he looked decent? Spring drills US taking all the first team reps even when Malcolm Jenkins came back you know who's Jenkins replace Sullivan Lineup and it was Sunday Ho who is still in the starting lineup so that shows you know he's clearly in the third safety on the depth chart. I I see him making the team especially in part two because if running cloud is ninety percent you we want to have someone to lean on their <hes> veteran and it could be Sunday Ho and looking at it more John. I also found something out about injury Sunday Ho he gets reputation as a Bach safety fifty but looking at a snap count. That's not what he is. He's a free safety letting it just like Ronnie. McLeod is <hes> Malcolm. Jenkins is more of the box safety on this team. Rodney McLeod is your free safety when he starting <hes> and then I think that really is why by the will signed into Sunday because as a guy who can play free safety kind of fits more on that Corey Graham Roll getting your direct replacement there so I think Sunday hope makes it as your third safety in that I think played countess is your fourth guy. He was the first team punt on protector illegals made an effort to get him back after the rams cut him he's GonNa be. He's GonNa be Your News Chris. Maragos Mackie's might play a few defensive snappy has to but more so it's going to be a special team sky though the last thing I'll add on the Sunday. Ho note is that kind of the same boat I guess as Eljay forty you could trade in Houston Daeho and you would actually save. I think like one about one million dollars in cap space okay and again even if you're just getting a seventh for him it's really like you're getting a fourth and seventh for him in the disrupting that cap space so you don't WanNa do that obviously if you're not feeling great about your safety debts you can only do that if countesses looking good entry Sullivan's good or maybe the Andre Hall or whatever I think for now Sunday Hall makes the team and of course Punter Cameron Johnson Kicker Jake Elliott and long snapper Nevada with round out the fifty three man roster so obviously again if a team loaded with talent this is a this should be a fun up on training camp again. There's not going to be a lot of star positions up for grabs but some positions nations to watch and some potential transactions to watch out for <hes> this <hes> the summer as the Eagles get ready to come back to the novacare complex next weekend. Get ready for training camp <hes> when we come back we're going to give you just some real quick bold predictions for the two thousand in nineteen season <hes>. I've a few for me and a few from B.. L. G. and we'll do that next right here on B._G._N.. Radio Hi I'm avery truffle men and I'm the host of Nice try a podcast about utopia utopia a place that is perfect and does not exist this season were traveling across time and space to explore seven different attempts to design a better world. What happens when those designs don't go? 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I'm GonNa have a piece out for bleeding green nation dot com at some point either Friday or Saturday with some some of my bold predictions. I'll have a few more on their. I'm doing ten bold predictions on the season but I'll just give you a handful of mine and G. We'll give you three of his as well. <hes> I'll start off and I'm going to a bold prediction mostly. It's bold predictions for me. They're all optimistic. They're kind of pie in the sky bold predictions and I do this. I do this every year for the good fight. The phillies espy nation blog that I write for and usually only one of my ten bold predictions will ever come true. I think that's been my track record like one. A year actually makes it because they're usually all ridiculously optimistic in pie in the sky so that's just kind of that's kind of how these things go so I'm going to go on a limb and say Derrick. Barnett earns a pro bowl selection in two thousand nineteen B L G. I I liked liked what I saw from him at the start of last year I you know he's got the first round pedigree. He's GonNa Start if he stays healthy I think he can be I think he can be attended twelve sack guy and if that's the case I think he makes the proble I would love to see <hes> <hes> my confidence level is not super high and that's not even mean being down there. It's hard to make really bold. Brennan Graham has made it you know and he's pretty good player so for me on the offense. It's it's a little bit of a statistical predation here. I WANNA say J._J.. Arteaga whiteside has more touchdowns than Nelson Angler this year. Wow that's a good one and that's kind of I don. I'm not it's not cheating. It's kind of not the boldest I guess just because. The way I look at it I look at it as if no he's going to be getting some decent red zone playing time and I thank you know as red zone specialist and I think just his jump all ability he's going to be able to kind of he might have like a weird stat line the season so I'm trying to say like you might only have on oh say eighteen whatever catches but he might have like six touchdowns because he's good in the red zone and you know I'm kind of hedging here or not hedging bum kind of also I'm considering Adler could be traded and if he is that would probably really help my prediction here for some say. Did you say wait not more playing time than I'll say Lord but I think he will moore who has more touchdowns or Sega whiteside or got it got it got it. Okay got it's GonNa see more snaps but <hes> both are big red zone targets <hes> it'd be interesting to see <hes> another bold prediction for me. This one's not so optimistic. I think Andre Dillard makes at least four starts this year for the Eagles and there's a couple of different ways this can happen one obviously obviously they trade big V and Jason Peters goes down is it. It's not unreasonable to think Jason Peters could miss a month of action for some kind of injury this year thirty seven years old he had to you know he started every game last year but had to come out of just about every game that he was in you now. I think Jason Peters can be a very effective player this year. I think he'll have an effective year but it wouldn't surprise me at all. If you know for part of October November or two games here a game here game there Jason Peters is not in the starting lineup and an Andre Dillard if he's if he does well in training camp and is looking good practice maybe they maybe they use him. As the starting left tackle that would be you know something would have to go wrong either with Brandon Brooks or with were big getting traded or something like that in order for that to happen but I'll say Andre Dre dillard makes at least four starts here in his rookie season. I I mean Jason. Peters did start all sixteen games last year which seems like crazy when you think about it right without a lot but he definitely he's GonNa miss some time at some point probably not unreasonable. My conviction here is not so optimistic for him and I kind of already teased a little bit went into it pretty hard actually Sidney Jones. I'm going to say I have written down here that Sidney Jones doesn't play <hes> now. I'M NOT GONNA say it doesn't play at all because that's a little extreme could be injuries injuries and whatnot but like the gist is he's not going to get a ton of playing time. He's not GonNa be starter are at least a full time starter by any means thinking about it this way John. Do you feel like you have to get onto mannix on the field yes. Do you feel you have to use any John's on the field no yeah I think that's like that's how West where I'm at with that and it's not just those two players in the equation. Obviously there's a lot of moving parts there but you know assuming darby can come back and stay healthy man. Sorry I guess Joneses kind of like the fourth quarterback on the step chart or around. There and I don't really see him pointing. What's this year now? That's fair totally understand that I mean he's got a he's. He's gotTa have a good training camp man. He's he's got a flash in training camp in order in order for him to rise above some of those guys for sure my last stop bold prediction for the podcast and again all ten <hes> for the piece that I'm writing for a bleeding green nation is <hes> the eagles go undefeated in the N._F._C. East B L J. I think they sweep the giants and Redskins. I don't think that's a bold prediction but <hes> I think you know last last year. The cowboys swept the Eagles and I think the eagles get their revenge this season on a cowboys team where you know Ezekiel Elliott there have been reports. He's quietly talking about holding out of training camp because he wants a new deal still waiting on whether or not they're going to give Dak Prescott got a new deal. That hasn't happened yet. There's a lot of things going on with Dallas and you know a Dallas defense is very good and they figured out a way to kind of shut down the eagles offense last year but I think eagles offenses much much better. I know it's very very rare for an N._F._C.. East team to go undefeated undefeated in the division but you know this might be a special eagles team this year and I think they go undefeated in the N._F._C. East on lasted. Just you know the only way that this I didn't get sidetracked as if there's a a game at the end of the season where the eagles arresting all their starters and they don't need anybody see that <hes> they maybe lose a game like that like in two thousand seventeen when they arrested everybody against the cowboys lost six nothing yeah I mean I always like in my mind. I'm pretty sure I convince myself of this every year this year. It doesn't even matter how bad they are just because the other teams aren't really good. I think they'd be Dallas twice this year which is key to me I really do. I really believe that I think they're you know they're going to feel bad about what happened. Last year and President Has Dallas figured out the eagles. The Eagles can stop themselves in many respects mandate. They've probably figured that out so I like the producer John <hes> for my last one here three I will say Carson. Wentz doesn't miss a single game this year due to injury yes. I had that same prediction B.. L. GonNa Yeah I love that that's one of the ones I had ready to go for the website absolutely great one due to injury again over yeah. We're not counting if you know week seventeen and he sits out 'cause they already have something locked up just talking about just injury. He did it before by the way this isn't impossible people. This is like an impossible feat that he did as a rookie he played all sixteen. It's any even in two thousand seventeen. He played like most of the season he missed three games like twenty not like impossible that he could do this like people people treated that way and I'm just I'm looking forward to to the conversation conversation like once that happens if you just makes it through this season healthy. Are we still going to be talking the whole offseason the next week next offseason in the future of only karston Wednesdays healthy only no probably not much <hes> so I would love for that to happen obviously clean and I think it will. I just that's my mindset going into the season as I was talking about with Ben last year like why am I just going to assume that arseny get hurt like why he might not he might. I don't know like no one has any kind of read on that like that. You're just guessing entirely early like Yep. That's just a total guess you can try to argue if you don't like Carson Wentz that you know he plays recklessly or whenever but like I just think that's man I look at Decorah Scott and he runs around a lot like he's not like always just you know taking like being smart with the ball and Lanky he takes hits. He runs out into the open field <hes>. I don't think Carson Wentz is especially reckless to the point. Where like I? It's impossible that he could play sixteen games so now Damon Allen Say Carson Wentz Play Sixteen Games while up let me rephrase again doesn't miss the game due to injury and I think he's GonNa have a great season so that's where I'm at I mean the the injury in two thousand seventeen was was bad. Luck and I have no idea if some of the back issues he was dealing with was because of the compensation sation for his leg or if he got hurt because we still don't know exactly how that all went down so I think it's a great pick that was one of the ones that I had written out and that'll be up. I'll have that post for you. Probably by the time you you hear this podcast I bleed relation dot com and listen give us is your bold predictions for the eagles season on twitter. You can tweet at B._G._N.. Radio you can tweet it be l._G.. That's at branch out and you can tweet at me. John Stolnis Hashtag B._G._N.. Bold predictions I will send out a tweet to also kind of get you get going going on that one but <hes> Hashtag B._G.. Predictions let's hear your bold predictions for the two thousand nineteen season as well be L._G.. Any final thoughts before we wrap up the final podcast before training camp man. That sounds good. John Sounds like a good thing that you decided. We've training camp right around the corner. Football will be starting to really get back into the swing of things I mean some teams have already reported for training camp in terms of like the little rookie camp they do. The Eagles really don't do that anymore. At least haven't the past two years so training camp is going to be back here here again as John said you can get in on the conversation with the bold predictions with Hashtag B._G._N.. Bold predictions were tweet some of those from the B._G._N.. Radio Account to make sure you get those out there refund to see what you can come up with the ear <hes> yeah man so football all starting soon. That's awesome as always make sure you keep reading bleeding green dot com 'cause we will have a ton of training camp coverage also podcast here on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the bleeding green nation podcast feeds make sure you are subscribed to the feeds. You don't miss an episode. Make sure you write the podcast five stars and leave a review two so we really appreciate if you could do that as you'll season is quickly approaching and should be a fun one absolutely i. I really feel like this could be a special football season. I and I know a vast majority of the city and Eagles fans feel the same way so we will be here for you. Throughout the two thousand nineteen season it should be a whole lot of fun and training camp gets underway about a week from now less than a week from now I think as we're recording this so <hes> <hes> very exciting times and of course will be there to be our our is on the scene and gives us all his thoughts on everything that's happening down at Eagles training camp and kids. That'll do it for this edition of B._G._N.. Radio episode number sixty three again follow B l g the on twitter at Brandon Gotten and you can follow me on twitter at John Stolis. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll talk to you all next time right here on B._G._N.. Radio doesn't make sense hi. 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Farmers Got A Government Bailout In 2020, Even Those Who Didn't Need It

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04:06 min | 3 weeks ago

Farmers Got A Government Bailout In 2020, Even Those Who Didn't Need It

"Many americans could use more federal pandemic relief than they're getting. Some americans received more federal relief than they need it. Npr's dan charles reports on farmers back in the spring. Farmers who raise pigs were in panic. Some of their usual customers restaurants weren't buying prices had collapsed. Some hog farmers had no place to ship their animals because workers in pork processing plants. Were getting sick. This is just a grave situation on hot launch. This is nick. Giordano a top lobbyist for the national pork producers council in may on a call with reporters unless there is a large cash infusion from the federal government. We're going to lose a lot of producers lots of different farmers demanded government aid and congress provided thirty five billion dollars in emergency aid to farmers on top of regular farm subsidies which amounted to about ten billion dollars a year. Money went to hog farms but also people raising cattle corn and soybeans fruits and vegetables. Dairy farmers. Joe glauber an economist. At the international food policy research institute had trouble keeping up with at all. You almost lose track of of how much money is going out. Clobber used to be the chief economist at the us department of agriculture. And he finds it a little disturbing because by the time. Farmers got a bunch of those payments in the summer and fall. The problems were going away. Commodity prices have come back up and actually looking better than they've looked in several years. According to usda estimates total farm income this year without that emergency aid would have been about average with the government payments. Twenty twenty looks like it'll be the fifth highest year for farm income in the past forty five years. I think there is a fundamental question at that point. You say well. Why are we providing all this additional aid especially since farmers group are relatively wealthy while millions of other americans are wondering how they will ford groceries. I called up some farmers and got several different answers. Chad lehman is co owner of hog farm in illinois that got more than seven hundred thousand dollars in government payments in twenty twenty according to usda data obtained by the environmental working group which is critic of farm subsidies. Lehman says it's really not much for as big as his. He ran up against a cap on government payments to any single individual or farm. So didn't come close to covering his losses. None of us expect to be made whole but are asked was hey help us get to next year without that money. You don't think you would have made it to next year. What think you would have seen significant fallout from the pork. Industry significant fallout but farmers didn't have to prove that they needed help. They simply got paid based on their previous production of green or pigs or cattle the more crops. They grew the more government. Money they got up to that cap ron roseman farmer in western iowa says his neighbors sometimes made jokes about it. You know all these farmers were getting together and playing cards. These older farmers. I heard one guy say yep got another check from the government today. Didn't need it but boy. Yeah i don't know what to do with it. Roseman got some of money himself and yet i'm not in favor of an overall because it has Disproportionately gone to the largest producers which means those large farmers now have more money to outbid their smaller neighbors when land comes up for rent or for sale and when small farms eventually give up means fewer people in rural communities less life in small towns. We just continue to fight declining and aging population out here. It's a paradoxical result. Rosement says but passing out money to farmers this way can actually hurt farming communities and more money is now on the way. The latest coronavirus relief package contains another eight billion dollars in payments to farmers. Dan charles npr news.

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BGN Radio Special: Jalen Hurts Named Starter EMERGENCY SHOW!

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42:07 min | Last month

BGN Radio Special: Jalen Hurts Named Starter EMERGENCY SHOW!

"Hey there podcast pals. i'm john stolnis. The host of the phillies pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball season. One hundred and sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for the bills. Goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcasts including the award winning dirty inning with justin clue and trevor strunk and continued success with justin endless grocer sprout apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app. This is leading jeopardy niessen. Yes he hot start here. Been on a very important momentous podcast. I'm young heroes on beacon radio going by with my other co host here who i don't normally podcast with but it's a kind of a big thing here ben. Eagles are officially benching carson. Wentz to start jalen hurts. This is jalen hurts. Gb one emergency reaction show. We appreciate your ratings reviews that you might leave after listening to this very important production that we took the time at our day to do to talk about the eagles inside jobs to do anyway but then i mean what are we start. Jalen hurts is going to start against the saints. Their first questions there are a. Do you have faith in this. Coaching staff to build a good offense around jalen hurts with a week's notice to which my answer would be. Now do you have faith in this offense as a whole to good against the saints defense which has been one of the best in the last five weeks of the season whole hour. I would say no to that and then do you expect the response to jalen hurts his first rookie star against a very good defense on a very bad offense being predictably bad to be measured and safe and relaxed which i would also respond now so like just like it's not like this is very dramatic it. This isn't even the most dramatic things can happen this week. Like they've declared jalen hurts star. of course they have. He's gonna play the saints biaggi. He's not gonna look good. He's a rookie making his first. Starting as a killer defense he's gonna look bad and i'm extremely worried about what that mo- that his playing poorly what what that's going to do to the fanbase into the national reaction because you know if he looked horrible and they start getting clamours for once again. Because peterson didn't even commit to her for the rest of the season your every week. You're gonna be doing this now. And it's going to be a nightmare. Way to really put a damper on this thing then Way to really expectations though. I think that's a fair expectation to set in in terms of this quarterback on an offense that has not been very good this year. I think we need to say though that this is the right move right. I mean you wrote about this dancers yes you you wrote about this unbelievable. Magnus dot com. The eagles need to go to jail. arts at this point because what is there to accomplish by playing carson wentz. What are we going to learn or see from carson wentz. That we haven't already seen this year mean you're only playing carson wentz right now for the rest of this season specifically is like just hoping on blind faith and hope that he just magically gets better like. That's the that's the best outcome that you could get from that. And that's i mean that's not like a realistic path and the eagles need to evaluate. Jalen hurts here. This is important that they need to see who he is. And as far as this week goes against the saints. I mean i wanna i wanna include this ben like. Isn't this fun like aren't we in a better place with the eagles. Now i reached the point in the packers. Game on sunday where i tweeted. Like what is the point of whitewashing. The ski like i'm not having fun. There's no entertainment value there. Badin expected them to be bad. Like what is what is the point. And now you've jalen hurts in the year in that creates an exciting dynamic. I don't know that he's going to like the world on fire and be great but that possibility exists that he's at least going to be better than carson wentz a very low bar clear and he was the packers jalen hurts five point five yards per play and then the touchdown on what twenty four plays or so carson wentz three point five yards. Replace him the So so there's excitement here. There is juice even if this is a tough opponent in everything. There's reason to be excited right. Yeah it's different. I think we always you. And i have always disagreed on this real like. There's no reason to watch the eagles. And the like. But i wanna see how do riley plays like. I've always been sort of a vibe. On right i think that yes the objectively. Like there's just gonna be more plays or thing happens in terms of the offense right like hurts is gonna take fewer sacks still gonna take sacks but he's gonna think fewer sacks and he's gonna break the pocket more and he's going to have more scrambles and those are certainly plays everything. Get your juices. Going and peterson is framed. This move in terms of a spark in terms of getting the offense over the hump. And i think that that terminology those descriptors indicate that he you know is largely of the opinion that we are is experiencing the same thing that eagles fans are in the sense. That it's like everything in this. Offense is onerous right. the wide receivers are bad. The offensive line is bad. The running game is struggling. The quarterback is bad playcalling spat. Everything is bad. Hopefully by just changing one thing you can get a little bit of a domino effect where hurts just makes life easier on the offensive line is able to escape pressure More successfully. He makes things easier on on the wide receivers. They don't right away. he can extend a lot more successfully than carson wentz extended this year. So that you're hoping you're by you know kind of just changing. It's like changing one lightbulb in your christmas tree lights right when the one bulb is out puts everything else behind it out. We'll just by changing hurts. Hopefully we kind of get a little bit of a ricochet effect and it'll just make if anything the team easier to evaluate the team easier to understand the The pieces you'll get a better sense of our zach. It's really truly and fully wash right if jalen hearts can't find him six yards. Down the line of scrimmage. And so i i i do think that spark argument hold. Some value is going to be more fun to watch. Certainly like everyone's going to be tuned into the tatum hill. Jalen hurts battle. Just for the sake of how entertaining and funny conventionally be. I think from an evaluation perspective. I think you get a lot more out of starling. Starting jalen hurts for the final four games of the season. Then you would out of starting for this game and then checking back in and starting to the next game and checking back in the he gets the saints then he gets the cardinals and the cardinals. Defense has been playing great over the last couple of weeks but the cardinals. They put like seven safeties out there. They blitzer from a ton of different directions. There are very aggressive defense again. Not a defense. You wanna rookie quarterback playing so you can go through. These two weeks and hurts. Could be atrocious. And then if you pull the ripcord then you've now just a wednesday. Obviously like a terrible situation seems to be on salvageable. And you get to game leash potentially on this quarterback but he's really badly against you defenses and now you feel like you're totally lost in the water. You know a wolf of friends in the athletic friend of the show. A talk about how it's important to see what you have with jalen hurts so you can figure out if you need to draft a quarterback at six at five four reveals ed the draft order and that's true but man if that was your priority should have been starting a couple weeks ago four-game sample size a tough one on so i. It's it's hard to think about like i think. The spark excitement is there but like substantive Takeaways on jalen hurts. I'm not sure you're gonna be able to get any after four weeks if he gets that for weeks at all yet. That's the question like how long police are they going to have with them. Here in the answer should be a very long one like the rest of the season again. What is the game by playing carson. I mean if on herzl literally throws like ten sections and the game then yeah okay then you can pull because probably not functioning at all like not even to at the threshold of any competition. But that's that's an extreme situation and probably not going to happen. I don't expect the on hurts. That their tenders I really be interesting to evaluate like like you said that is so critical to me. And i asked what i've been saying about this whole thing about like doug giving up calling the whole talk about that like i wanted to see a quarterback change before a playcalling chains. Because i feel like we need to see like. We need that to be the control. We need a quarterback to to be the control as a Or the variable rather Doug w the control. The coaching staff to be the stay static and make the quarterback variable and see okay. What is how. How much of a problem is the quarterback in this offense. And i don't think it's like we get the definitive answer to that necessarily with hurts in here but we gained some more information at that And i think just the idea ben and near film you're a football junkie over here our but but the idea to me that like dog is the problem in you gotta get rid of them just need to bring in some of the folks carson wentz like. That has not doesn't fight with me that this does not being. I think the big problem here right absolutely. I think you know it feels run. Fifty five offense of plays. I think is probably probably issue in like twenty. You know what. I mean like he. I'm not sure if you can make anything a majority. Just because the team is so bad but like he's regularly screwing the team over. He makes good place batting makes bad blaze worse. he's been plying poorly this year. And when when you talk about revitalizing him when you talk about recovering his career resuscitating it. That's why you don't you don't get to fix it this year. Right like this is part of the reason you make the move to jada because an additional snap for carson wentz no longer helps him right He can't play through this clearly right. You need an offseason off to work on mechanics a and then b. He needs to come back to an offense that has reimagined itself from a playcalling perspectives decision. Making the way. They want to be organized. How they wanna move the football anti personnel perspective with whom they want to do those things. They need better personnel. Both on the offensive line and in the receiving corps. So if you're gonna fix him it's going to be something that takes time. It's interesting because peterson has been the primary architect of the offense throughout the past few years and carson wentz has clearly gotten worse over the past few years right and i'm not sure if it's as simple as to say twenty seventeen People talk about this raggedy filipo. He lost he lost them both. And since then went to just gotten worse and worse and worse. I don't think it's that one to one. Like i think the drop off from twenty seventeen to two thousand. Eighteen nineteen was in large part due to the coaching staff. Change the drops the twenty twenty. I the coaching staff changed. Especially back three years ago is to meet insufficient to to describe to to explain carson wentz. His fault and so peterson bears a good portion of the blame for the offense stagnating right with carson wentz at the helm courson does as well when you go to install jalen hurts however there's no reason to believe peterson's well suited to build on offense around this flair. Because if you're going to have. John hurts of your starting quarterback in twenty twenty one. You want to bring in a quarterback who has regularly coached for mobile run. I quarterbacks and the eagles have largely tried to make carson wentz who is arguably half in that mode is cutting out runner. Jalen hurts us but he's always been mobile. They have tried to make him a pocket passer over time. They have regularly denied opportunities to move his spot. Only this year. They started involving him in the in the zone. Read game and so. If you're gonna have a recovery of wins then you can make a good case that you need to change the head coach because he has so far been an architect and the offense is that failed carson wentz. And if you're gonna turn the keys over to jail hurts you can make a good argument that you need a different head coach because you want somebody who has an experience has success with a quarterback. Run offense. which peterson doesn't have so. While i agree with you that that i don't think peterson's the primary issue at all. I think that if you're putting blame on people he's probably third out a three between roseman carson and dog but at the same time if you're gonna take this franchise in a particular direction. There's cases to be made against peterson. No matter which way you got jones a difficult conversation he. I think one of the interesting things to watch down the stretch here will be in kind of mind where i'm at with this. Is that really going back to the weapon with nick. Volks you know in the past where an innocent a great again you know. We're we're doing the same old science again. But the the theory behind that i think with false coming in i think maybe some people ran too much with the idea that falls as the superior player. I don't think that's what it was always about with him. Having success. i think what you could look at argue. There is volvo running the offense. He wasn't dictating the offense. I think that's absolutely factored in carson. Wentz a struggle from everything has been heard here operates at like that where carson is a very large influence on this offense season type a personality where he wants things to be his way and i think that you know being so controlling and And quite frankly just being uncomfortable. I think that's a real issue. I think that is absolutely factors in to why he's been so bad this year. Not saying it's the only reason. I think it's attrition a grand juries. The coaching him be on coach. Able is a lot of that roster obviously not being great. There's a lot of different factors in there. But i absolutely think. That's a factor. So i wanna what it looks like. You know when you have a rookie quarterback in there who doesn't have the cash in the cloud in this organization to be like. I'm not running that play or you know i'm dictating the offense how i wanna do it. As opposed to writing. What the coaches are telling him to do for the most part. I think that's a. That's something i wanna see down the stretch here So so go ahead. that's interesting. It's just interesting to me because of the amount of people who are like all right and now offload the contract indianapolis and it's like well firstly. That's not easy. It's not easy at all. People like all through trade him. It's only this much million so on so forth you still. He's still with not with guaranteed money taken away. He still going to be making a salary such as the team. That trade for him would expect them to start. A team is not going to take on what remains of wednesdays unguaranteed contract that which they would take if they traded for him. They won't take on that money and be like because maybe he's got you know like that's the sam darnold argument because sam daughter hasn't gotten an extension yet so donald would be relatively cheap as not the case with with carson wentz. He would not be chiefs up in that case that he needs to be traded to indianapolis or betray chicago. Were john d. filipo is right in. These are the coaches that have gone stuff out of him. I do believe that. Just simply changing wentz's environment would help him because it would be new coaches new personnel. It's very likely that whatever roster he ends up at the offense is better than philadelphia's on so you send him there he would look better to the environment will be. That would be better but everybody wants to send him to these places where his old coaches where he was successful with these coaches and if whence has this kind of adamantine approach to i know how to play the position and and this is the way that they often go. This is what i'm bad at and doesn't well take to coaching. I don't know. I wonder to what extent that will be reflected in a team like indianapolis interest in him right when we talk about what that trade package could look like. I'm personally of the opinion that while the eagles should make it clear to the league that they are willing to drake carson wentz and then she listen to all offers come for carson wentz. It will not get done. It is very unlikely very difficult to trade that contract unless you're looking at a total restructured deal on the tray. Like what. Nick foles when he went from jacksonville chicago which falls only dated. 'cause like he wanted out of jacksonville jacksonville. Warren amount of jacksonville. Like everybody was on the same page like trade. this dude which. I don't think you're gonna get from weapons. I don't know it hurt playing well and like you know the guy in the all. The sudden the coaching staff is retained. That's that's on the table. I wouldn't say that's off the table. Artisans frustrated carson ben carson after the game on saturday was asked like do you think you can benefit from like getting some time off. And i thought he might say something you know like obviously. I don't want that to happen but like you know i could find value in that. You know the a. There's no value in that. Like i should be starting at competitor. I i don't see any guidance answers every single question with a competitor which is exhausting. But this was like. I think this is a little you know like i don't want to prevent. I'm just telling you to how controlling and everything is and i think that's something they consider here but but like coming back to the short term a little bit so i wanna get to long-term after we hit a break here but like so my question here like ken hurts. Play well enough down. The stretch to save dotes job because i still feel like the the writing on the wall is there for doug I feel he's kinda just done already. Affiliate organizations Escape goat him quite frankly not to. He's been blameless. He does deserve blame but to act like he's the only issue and no other changes. That would be pretty disappointing to me. So so do you think hurts. can play well enough to save doug job and i guess to the other thing is the to partner for you. The how we think. I feel like we need to get out in front of this because i feel like there's going to be so many takes that occurs plays. Well are are talking about yesterday. Yeah well actually. If jalen hurts radio how knew what he was doing all along and actually how he is good now. Even though i so many other things you can point to that are bad So your your thoughts on both of those things. So i can hurt. Play well enough to save. Doug job i like i think. Now i think doug's job is gone. It's gone. I think if if he's still got another year he's still got another year kind of independent of hearts. It's i think it's clear that like the locker room is still pro. Doug jim schwartz said today that all the coaches are one hundred percent behind dog was the funniest thing i've ever heard of my entire life. I don't think has been one hundred percent behind. Doug since the day he was hired. But i do think that you've got a good enough rapport with the locker room. The coaching staff and reputation in the building sized. If he's there he's there Hurts bad. I don't think it's very hard to say. Hey this struggles that we've had a year which ruin carson wentz. Were not conducive to a rookie on four-star. It's not to be like a reasonable Explanation and then if he's gone for the reasons that we've discussed than i do think he's gone and like i talked about. If you wanna make team out of jalen hearts you should potentially look at other offense designers because you want to incorporate. The qb run in terms of roseman absolutely. Yes it hurts. Can play well enough like save roseman straw for sure there. Because because that's i mean like we believe can pick was largely a roseman peg was not a dunk pick and so if doug's quarterback carson who does clearly been in carson's camp trying to fix them so on and so forth has been bad and then hurts comes out and plays better which just by virtue of being a good athlete hurts is gonna make some better plays then. Yeah that that that will be conceived as a feather in roseman. Scap will be enough to tip the scales. I don't know you know what i mean. You feel confident. That dog is on the chopping block. Rosemont isn't your perspective. I'm nowhere. I don't really know officially where i am one. Who's getting fired where. I don't have strong strong a predictions there. I know i know what i would do clean house by you know. Yeah i i I think that. I i don't really know my british so it's tough for me to say but i think i the long and the short of it is. That hurts plays. Well that will look better for roseman than it will for dog. And that's and that. Prediction is predicated on what we believe was the the you know the the workings behind the pick. Which was you know. Roseman big theory on. Qb value rose men's opinion about being safe in the event of a wednesday injuries on it so forth which we don't believe doug shared so you said it was you know says dubs quarterback very much howie roseman scored back as well in the trade up in the right in the massive contract extension also wanted to say here that like with hurts in roseman. Having success there everything that has been said about the jalen hurts pick like on in behind the scenes on the record them behind the scenes nothing has indicated that like we were concerned about carson. That's why we'd be this pig. That nothing indicated that this is not like some galaxy brain thing where like the eagles new carson wentz was gonna be this bad also of Like so no deal hurts has success. It's going to be at the expense of this massive contract. And that's that's a problem because having a good rick quarterback on a cheap contract is one of the biggest advantage or at least one of them you can have in the nfl and if that turns out to be good. That's not going to happen here because hartsburg contract is on the books. And that's what makes. The efforts is bad draft a quarterback in the top five conversation. So interesting as well as because you still have to deal with the carson wentz contract and you also use the second round. Pick last year on a quarterback so on and so forth then obviously. That's that's a long-term discussion. We are still very very far away from it. Should be acknowledged as a potential reality while. Then let's take a break here. Obviously this podcast brought to you by right to sound after reaching get loyal listeners by going to write to sell them dot com using discount code john fifteen for fifteen percent off so go do that Ernie we'll be having more reaction. 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Show be sure to subscribe on apple. Podcasts so your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode back here on this radio. Emergency edition -mergency podcasts. Jalen hurts starting quarterback for the philadelphia eagles now at least in week fourteen the very least and carson wentz benched ben. We've kind of talked about. We've touched on some long term things here. But i don't wanna focus even more on the long term and the question i have written down here for you is can jalen hurts win. The starting job like for the long-term day defy. Okay define win the starting job like do we end the season. Dillard's plays well we're like he's the starter in twenty games. So you're saying like by right like by january first twenty twenty one you me eagles guys. Nfl writers. it's very clear. We're i'm saying like eagles media national media. We're all like it's very clear. Jalen hurts is going to be the starter. Even if the they're not saying or you should be writing them. Come out and declare that at the end of the season. Like that's not gonna happen but it's like clear or you know maybe it's not like perfectly clear. There's some debate but it's like skewing in his favor right. I'd be stunned. End like lesson i liked. Jalen hurts as a prospect coming out for what he was which was a. I like a really quality dude like this will obviously get fully discuss across the course of the week but jan hurts had the starting job alabama lost in the middle of the national championship. Game to a freshman into its of dua comes in. Wins that game for them. John hurt stays in. Alabama sits on. The bench comes back next year. After two gets injured in the sec. Championship game wins that game for alabama. That was unbelievable bench supporter. Right like you know. A lot of memes in jokes are made about wentz clapping on the sidelines. After the hurts touchdown going to congratulate his guys and you know the questionable authenticity there when to a won that game after the job the job from hurts that national championship hurts like very clearly freaked out. I was like sprinting on this island so it was very a genuine. So he's a really good dude. He's really quality guy so he's very likable for that reason. Very likable for his running ability. I fought that in terms of of ability to run while also being like a functional passer. He was the second best quarterback to lamar jackson. That had come out in the last several years is he's got a running back bill and he's got tackle breaking abilities very impressive as a runner. There's a thrower. He very much improved his final season at oklahoma. He was not a nfl. Caliber passer in alabama transferred to oklahoma guy with lincoln riley. Who's been really great with quarterbacks in his time there and markedly improved his accuracy and in his decision making with that set the issues that carson wentz has with pocket presence hurts also has hurts is a much better escape of the pocket right now because of the athletic ability because of the willingness to talk and run but managing a pocket. Negating pressure about the interception. How jalen hurts of was just feedstock stone. Trying to make a throw while getting in arm looked very wednesay and right that he's had those pocket presence issues the same way when size so he doesn't like to buy himself an extra second or justice angles a he has pretty poor underneath vision. He's gonna throw a lot of texts where you're like dude. What are you looking at. A lot of incompletions pass breakup of your life. He was right there. Like you gotta be able to see this player. He doesn't like to get off. His first rate he at times will be. I read and then talking run quarterback on when you're so good at running the football it's understandable But there will be times. That leaves progressions open. Leaves the wisconsin's open this sort of option. Heavy half field. Read five guys in the concept offense. Eagles currently run is not very good for hurts styles thrower he would benefit more from a heavier. Rpo style heavier three man on the route concepts. You know. you're not us guys in jet motion us Protection and not put so many guys concepts. You'd open up more space that way and you're also gonna limit the the work that he has to go through. That's not how the offense is built right now. They're not the weapons for that. So i don't think that he's going to play very well And when you look at quarterbacks drafted outside of the first round it is an unreasonable expectation that they would play very well when they start with the added context of the eagles struggles on offense. It's very unlikely. So i think the whole walk into next offseason with a five year starter at quarterback who suddenly pretty bad and a second round pick with four games under his belt. Who looks like a rookie with four games under his belt which is not very good. That's entirely possible. And i think there's a you know a concern. Like ah call the greg ward effect here. Where last year you know. The eagles receivers were just so bad until greg ward came in and then he gave you a level of competency and i think people mistook that to think like. Oh this guy's great like now like greg ward isn't greatly he's fine. I think that's even generous on kind of more replacement level slot guy. He's nothing special. For short i again. I'm not trying to be tight. Greg ward here. I'm just saying like no one. Expectations are lowered like they rank and should be really for eagles quarterback like your expedition to the low. Even what you've seen from carson wentz if even looks like decent that's gonna feel amazing because like you're going to have a quarterback who can actually do something as opposed to one again. Do anything right so. I think it's careful to guard against that and keep that in perspective. It'll be interesting though. Like what are the do with carson wentz though if jalen hurts does look good so you're let's i outlined the different scenarios like they can they can keep they can go into next year with carson wentz on the roster which i think is likely just because of the contract like able. I wouldn't yeah i wouldn't. There's there's more than as percent chance he could get treated. There is but it's not likely so. You have him on the roster. You have jalen hurts. Maybe it's a quarterback competition between the two in camp which is dislike. I can't act. Like i'm holding my head. I just had to our year. What am i saying but that could be right or or what hurts again. Looks good down the stretch. And it's just like he's the guy so so what happens here long-term with carson the wentz here then. I guess the question rang is so they did this. With france what is the chance that carson wentz never plays a game for the eagles again to percents to not even present right. I thought you had asked jan. Once i said i read. You just said chance. I was like oh i got a complete this who had a five out of or not very very very low. The sunk cost fallacy israel. Especially if if peterson roseman remain. There will be a. There's an investment time sweat energy effort made into carson wentz. And they're going to believe that they can recuperate him. Furthermore even if roseman peterson don't remain when lori goes to hire a new general manager and or a new head coach the first question. he'll ask them is. what do you want to try to do with carson wentz. And the the candidates that will see most attractive to him will not be those candidates who say we're going to have to find a trade partner. I'm not sure i do this. And we're gonna have to multi year zones of the candidates that will be most attractive. Him will be the candidates to say. I would fix carson wentz in a year right because that obviously is best case scenario for the eagles is that twenty. Twenty is the weirdest aberrations of all aberrations and impossible anomaly inexplicable by the contracts of man and wednesday. Just good from twenty twenty one which isn't going to happen but that would be nice so i think that when's is almost certainly rosser next year and i think that he almost certainly starts a game. What if hurts is good. Then you walk into next year with a qb competition right and you're splitting wraps with ones and camp. You're bringing a new offensive guys for sure. You obviously are going to invest heavily in the offense in the draft and infrequency to whatever degree you can with your money. And then you're gonna say what replays best camp gets the starting job and with wentz having played as he did with his confidence where it is versus hurts playing well in his comp where he is because hurt such a level headed. Dude i expect hurts downplaying. It hurts to win the starting job. I suppose in that way you would get no more carson. Wentz starts hers injury but again. I don't expect her to play that. Well such that bats. That's an option. So if they both by if wentz if parts buys poorly you could still walk into camp next year with the qb competition. But it's very it's difficult converse. It's it's hard to prognosticate especially with especially with with not knowing who the general manager is going to be next year. But let's say it's roseman rosen's big. Qb value not big on trading knows that he's currently potentially got no quarterback and he's going to have a top six pack. That is a environment in which the eagles would consider drafting quarterbacks in the draft they legitimately would and it might sound absurd but it was absurd to suggest the eagles. We're going to take a quarterback with their second round pick last year. And they did. They did because roseman is positive that he has to stay on the pulse of cuba value and that he is going to consistently constant invest in quarterback to make sure he always has it right. Such that will always be at least in some quasi competitive mode just blatantly ignoring the lesson taught to him by the houston. Texans this year fine. You're not if when it gets a little bit. More functional if hurts is kind of decent. You're not going to be picking top five top six again. This is your opportunity. And this is a very good quarterback draft class. He's gonna want to take that swing and now you're at a point where you're drafting that rookie. Presumably saying on day. One that he's gonna start. But then you're also gonna put him out at camp with your veteran quarterback who's been a sixty game star whatever and then jalen hurts. Who was your second round pick last year. It's gonna get bananas cream pie. The building But that's that's that option exists and that's going especially purse looks bad. It's going to be a conversation. And they're gonna have to look at zach wilson Byu trae land out of north dakota state. Justin feels out of ohio state. Watch those very very good players and say to themselves we're gonna pass on these guys because maybe carson is halfway decent next year. That's a tough thing to say or doing hurts. Yeah jan hooks right like that's first of all dislike the machinations of like so. It's not unheard of. You know the quarterback competition than the nfl. Two guys like we've seen it like nick foles whence fold. That happens like you see that all the time. Three guys three different guys like rangel split between three different camps no he's just start carson wentz. No we start. No we should start thinking drafted at number three overall this year. First of all the insane. it's not unthinkable because like i said like eagles can pick his highs. Three is as high as three this year. I don't know if they'll get there. You know they need the bengals chargers and cowboys you play tonight. Recording the tuesday december eighth to win winston games. Here at least one in the Lose out who knows if they'll be as bad or whatever with the owner tsuneo next factor. Yeah but that's crazy. I think you're right on about that stuff with because if you're picking at three so you're getting And it's what this isn't to me because either you're getting like the number one non quarterback in the draft number three because we're presuming jets jaguars quarterback at one into or you know the third best quarterback but that player could be really good. And you're not in this position often like you're not going to be this high like you just so easily again. Like pass over the opportunity to write one in the event that now you know carson. That looks as bad as he does. And then again to hurts just looks like nothing like this not right. And here's what's what's like crazy his nuts to think about your roseman. You're thinking about drafting another quarterback. Sure why not. You had so much of hurts. Pick was baked into this idea that your facility can develop quarterbacks. We are quarterback developers. And since the moment you've said that you've absolutely tanked a quarterback who wants look pretty good if you're thinking about this. We're auburn onto the assumption right now. That hurts bad for four games hotel. It looked like a rookie and looking like a rookie. Means he looks at. Do you still have faith in peterson. And that coach after develop quarterbacks why should you write like even back when they made the hurts selection. They were like we develop quarterbacks. Like no you don't you don't you. Not developed whence last like whence looked best. The best ones look was over two years ago. You've developed seinfeld failed. He's played exactly one game. You've had claim as all the league. Things were so good in velvet him because look at sonnenfeld just six brown pick. Who just as big arm does doing anything. You didn't develop foles rent the jacksonville and his horrible when chicago is horrible. So he wasn't developed. He was just good here in two thousand seventeen very magically purchase bad. You've been developed hurts so you haven't developed. That didn't make any sense between nineteen definitely doesn't make sense now. So you're drafting a quarterback top five. You want to give him the peterson and press. I'm not sure you do and all of a sudden now. It's we have to get in a new coaching staff. Because we're not the quarterback developers. We thought we are. Which is why. Fifty-three hurts just thinking. But also it begs the question of how do they know they're even picking the right guy. Are they even picking the right guys to help. Like there's an evaluation question there too right. What do you mean. they're saying. The coaching staff hasn't developed these players. But what if they're not even developed like what if they're not the right play hurt. The only one they've liked drafted right seinfeld was was was college county department as well and that was a few years now and they pulled them from washington. Whatever but no i agree with you right. You can go and you can make the case you know they. You know if you're dug then and you're saying we need a new quarterback. I wanna do quarterback you you go to laurie and you say i don't trust that guy to spend this top five. Pick well like if it. What if it is to quarterbacks wilson and trae lance who are sitting there. Coaching staff apparently liked jalen. Reagor more in the scouting staff like justin jefferson moore and everything like that dynamics out of whack anyway right is how do you trust them to make the right pick or backs. It's not like a quarterback in the top. ten is guaranteed to be good anyway. There are so many layers to all of this. Like it's so crazy like in in a very you know a short term sense. It's just like okay. They change the quarterback for sunday's game but like the. What this means is so massive. And like i don. I feel like we can't even fully rapper heads around it yet because there's so many layers to this many variables when it comes to like. This isn't a situation to where it is like a couple of years ago or wherever in like you know. Doug has that security. Because his job security has a factor in here howie roseman the fact that they can't move on from carson wentz like it's So like unprecedented. There's no precedent for this situation. This is like a nutso crazy situation. I guess any final thoughts spent. 'cause i don't even know where to go from here. Oh man yeah exactly. It's like this and you know you know you've read what you sound right. And this is where eventually ended up. It would be a much easier conversation if anything were good but nothing is good. That's the thing it's like. Obviously we we like to boil down to disseminate teams in designing. Have you have a quarterback. You can compete. And if you don't ever quarterback you can't and that's largely true there's always fringe cases in the case of philadelphia. Say they don't have a quarterback they can't compete yes but also if they had a functional quarterback on this team right now they would not be competing you know. And and that's that's i know an apologist wentz case but there are so many issues at wide receiver. There's been so many injuries and issues at offensive line of has been such a misallocation of resources on the defense which we don't talk about the defense at all this year because they're top fifteen db away and often so bad but also like the defense is horrible their costly blowing assignments. They have very little down in the back. Seven seven and so forth. Everything you know. It requires heavy scrutiny and has been to some degree mismanaged. and so. you've talked about this entire quarterback conversation you go through all of these potentials right and then you sit down. You think to yourself well no matter what. Eagles are probably still going to be pretty bad. Come twenty twenty one. Don't really matter who that coaches don't matter. The general manager is with the books looking like they do the roster looking likely to do in the quarterback room looking like it does. It's very unlikely In twenty twenty one and this is why people like like for the athletic like robert. Mays in and nate tyson. The football had the conversation you know. Who would you rather be in charge of right now. The bears of the eagles narrow the bears. His eagles are that badly off on. So that's that's the situation you're in is. We talked about the quarterback room for forty minutes. Jalen hurts is the starter and what could all look like at the end of the day. Pretty much independent of what. It looks like barring a miracle themes going bad next year. They're going to have to live through that because it's it's the it's the result of their decisions has been such an uplifting is like nothing baby nothing is delicious every few. Delete this podcast from your phone immediately. That's that's benz message. Don't actually do that please. Rate review subscribe all the good stuff. this has been bgn radio emergency edition. Jalen hurts reaction again. I said earlier. Say it again. We're gonna have more coverage of everything that's preventing the saints game all that stuff then again. My final take away from all. This is at the very least we at least have some interesting stuff to talk about. What's is all that matters in the contact chretien world baby. That's that's it's a total win for us What's everyone cares about. But on the series. Now i do think it's interesting like there's more intrigue. Now will that last. If dylan hurts really sucks. No so so we'll see if it lasts or not but but yeah this is b.j. In radio rate reviews with tribe. Good stuff that's benjamin select. You can follow him on twitter at benjamin solid. I'm michael kiss. I'm not actually brain. Li got can follow me on. Twitter at brandon gotten subscribe at said that like three times. Now do it again for the fourth time Go check out the espionage. Nfl show. That's important go. Checkout red songcraft turkey registering dot com code. Bgn fifteen. That's going to be it for this edition. I'll be talking to jimmy sqi for the and radio breakdown of this next. So make sure to check that out their podcast powell's i'm john stolnis. The host of the phillies pod hitting season. One of the shows that make the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. 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At the Podium: NFL Combine - Roseman & Pederson

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At the Podium: NFL Combine - Roseman & Pederson

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You're going to get your first on field. Workouts and athletic testing as quarterbacks tight ends and wide receivers take the field to show it. They got Friday. You're going to see the special teamers offensive linemen and running backs. Saturday is for defensive. Linemen and linebackers and finally Sunday is all about the defensive back so a wave of information is about to crash upon our shores. Make sure you're locked here as we take you through it every step of the way but for now. Let's join Howie Roseman when he was at the podium and Indie Want to start off by congratulating the Kansas City chiefs on their world championship Mr Hun Co Tree Brett featured in their entire staff. Now it's hard to watch the Super Bowl when you're not in it but obviously there's a lot of bonds that tie us with that organization in that team and Just congratulations as we start off wide receiver. We're always looking TAD WEAPONS AND HELP FOR OUR QUARTERBACK. You know it's a big part of our job is to try to surround him a playmakers protect him of course And so that's something that will always be focused as we started off season decision. Have you made a decision about Jason? Peters Yeah I think as it pertains to all of our free agents. I think it's important that as we go through this process we keep an open mind with everyone and try to figure out as get more information a big part of this. Week is accumulating information. That's what we'll do here. You know obviously when time Jason Peters. You're talking about a hall of Fame Player. Hall of Fame Person. Someone who's very special to us and you know played it at a really high level last year so We'll go through all those decisions this week and now kind of stock answer as it goes to every free agent. We can talk about here. I guess in the franchise's history and I have to deal with them differently than other players others no question when you talk about guys that are historic players in the national football league guys who are going to the hall of fame guys going to the Eagles Hall of fame Those guys are special people on special players. And you don't have a lot of those during the course of your career and and so you try to make decisions. I that are best for the Football Team. And at the same time how have respect appreciation for what guys have done and we'll guys have done going forward in a going to be part of your nation a long period of time which is more than double? I think there's two parts of that all when we sit here. I think the first part is when you look at the teams who won the Super Bowl. There's also veteran components of the team. So we're not talking about a total rebuild. We're talking about a retool period and injecting some youth We got a lot of highly paid players on our team good players. That's why we paid them. And so you have to supplement them with some good young players and then we know that in the draft no matter how good you are there is a hit and miss rate. It's just the nature of the beast at that and so the more draft picks you have the better chance you have on hidden on guys in and we really haven't had those now. We did it for a reason. You know we. We sacrifice the draft picks because we were in a win now mode and fortunately we won But at the same time now some of the repercussions for that come forward and we gotta make tough decisions so as we sit here. Love to say that we're GONNA be having ten picks but there were moments in the last two drafts were there were guys within reach John. Gone on Buddy. This can be great that at that. WanNa move up and we just didn't have the ammunition to do it so If there is a guy still that we thought was incredibly how valued and we could go up and go get him. We can take that off the table particularly deep physicians running back in seventeen defensive line last year. You didn't take early thanks. You didn't take is early in those drafts. Did you learn anything about that as it pertains to receiver this year? Yeah I don't think necessarily it's a mistake not taking guys early in the strength of that trap because what happens is guys at other positions. Follow you because of that and that gives you an opportunity still value. The end of day got take the right players you know. And so when we look at back at those drafts and Maybe some of the decisions that we made. Maybe when you go into a draft thing. Hey I'm gonNA come out and you mentioned in seventeen running backs you go into thinking this such great class. I'm going to get one and then maybe you you kind of have this in the back of your mind. I'm going to come out of the draft with that position and then as it gets later in the draft. Maybe you're trying to force some things but I think what we've learned about that. Is that sometimes there drafts. You can't really there's not a rhyme or reason sometimes there's drafts where you go a great running backdraft and so we're GONNA get a guy later than we thought and sometimes in that situation guys are going. I'm going to get the one. I really like it. Make sure that if it's a historical class this is a guy I really like. I don't know if I answered a question. But how dare you slide? Juniors on the mortgage are you looking at trade for him to prove your quarterback depth. Are you looking at me? Fine tampering with another team in question. Yeah we're not gonNA answer about any players on other teams you know. It's our job to explore everything. We are going to look at everything Trademark of free agent market the draft to improve our football team younger faster roster. Alshon in Jack's fit into that and considering the injuries last year. Do you feel like you can count on them next year to contribute players again. We're trying to balance. We have good players who are not twenty three and twenty four years old and when you look at. Who's winning and even when we one you're going to have players. That are still in their prime. That are twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty plus that can contribute for When you talk about kind of that position as a whole I think goes back to my first answer always gonNA look for playmaker's role is GONNA look for guys. Who can help coach who can help? Carson. And we'll just kind of have to figure out how we're GONNA fit everything into the puzzle. Shawn's returned from his injury. We'RE NOT GONNA get into any timetables on injuries. But I think when you talk about Alshon the most important thing for Sean is getting healthy as quickly as possible. Two Thousand Sixteen to get Wentz. What do you think today's world it would take the move upstate from seven to one in the draft and and what's the risk of mortgage and a lot of the future draft picks? We do that. I think it's kind of a catch twenty two when you're talking about the quarterback position because it's really hard to win unless you have a great quarterback and you have a really great team built around that guy and if you don't have the Guy That signal caller. It's hard But you gotta be right and So I think I'm glad that we're not in that position right now. To think about what would be the right compensation and just focus on how we can help. Our quarterback get better and surround him with better players we once. Would you think tough Jake? So he said that he wants to. It's been a great player. Great person for us you know as it relates to contract negotiations with all our players. Those are things will try to keep in house and You know have honest conversations with all our players. What's your what's your process for Evaluating Patch. Dress either personally or as a staff. How how do you go about doing? Yeah I think they're great learning tools at the same time you know. You GotTa look at some of the things that may be overvalued some of the things you've undervalued. How the game has changed. What things are happening I think you go back. And you look at at a draft like two thousand twelve at the quarterback position and maybe there are guys who went later than they would at a time like now because maybe they were unique at that time. And so you're not probably not getting a guy like that in the third round anymore. Where maybe you got them in. I'm proud about the fact that Some of the greatest players in eagles history are part of our draft classes. You know some guys. We're GONNA go the Eagles Hall of fame now. Can we do a better job? There's no doubt about it and we're GONNA do whatever we can to do. A better job but there is some projection involved in taking guys who are twenty one and twenty. Two changing their surroundings putting money in their pocket changing their system changing their scheme. So you try to the best of your ability take the guesswork out of it But we've also seen some examples where now some maybe objections we had to change based on some of the success guys have have. We talked about the end. The season Meeting that we had with all of you guys that sometimes things change and you gotta look at it from a different Lens and continue to grow and learn and get better. I had off season. You made significant changes to medical and training staff is a reflection of all the injuries that you guys have adored over the last three seasons. I think the first part about it when we talk about some of the people left Sharon decided not to renew her contract. She's got family on the West Coast. And she decided to move back to the West Coast and appreciate her work and wish her well Sean Holes contract expired as well. We had a unique opportunity. I think that We have the need and we got two guys and Tom and Ted. That very excited about that. We think are going to be huge additions to our football team and we gotTA look at anything. We can to get better. You know We owe it to our players to our coaches or organization to our fans to find ways to get better. I'm feel like we're very fortunate to get those guys in charge of their respective departments. Yes that's a great question you know everyone. In performance and strength will report to Ted and everyone in the training rules reports atop of invention. Dr D-notice we was going to evaluate during the season. Your whole training and Rehab Process. Can you tell us anything about that? Evaluation what he found it needed to change. Yeah we wanted to step away from it. That's why we're GONNA make changes right away or add anyone right away and kind of get a fresh lines because obviously when the season ends. You're disappointed that the season ended and We've had a lot of injuries last couple of years. There's no doubt about it and I take responsibility to for the things that I can do. Better there But I think when we looked at it and saw the opportunity some people leaving in the opportunity to get people that we think are going to be really outstanding for our football team without a no-brainer side qualify. Well mostly last year. Because we had ten picks over two year period we sat there and felt like and we paid Carson and have a lot of highly paid players aren't team. We felt like we needed a year where we knew we were going to double digit draft picks and so now I look at it that Some of those guys that will be released during the season. They're good players and they were good players For the teams that they went to after they came to us but for us going forward to have those picks into no we had those picks was important to sitting here now and feeling like we're going to have ten picks and We need that amount of guys now when we look at it. I think scenario changes a little bit in terms of if we can get the right free agents were not in a mode. Where maybe we try to find the undervalued older guys. Have we try to find the last couple of years and Going forward trying to build this over a period of time. We're not kind of in this one year window. We talked about it again in January. About how looking at this twenty twenty twenty twenty one twenty twenty two in this three year period of getting guys who are part of it I guess kind of similar to how we look to free in two thousand sixteen seventeen. You don't really have many players. Scheduled become is just now as far as the starters go. Does that free you up maybe to be able to spend more this offseason knowing that? That's Jewish coming up. Yeah I think the one thing we gotta be careful of is the amount of capital and we have this year and then how it's affected next year years going forward because we don't want to be in position where we lose flexibility totally by doing that so we're hopeful that if we go into the fridge market that maybe we're shining guys that are more core guys and more one or one or two year guys and we look at it from building our team over a two three year perspective as opposed to just kind of this one year window tracking. It's a great resource for us. It's not the end all be all as we look at it but being able to get that shows play speed as much as it does tracks feet so When that kind of matches up like any decision you know we talk about a lot. We want the tape to match up with the numbers and we feel really good. If one of those things is an equal maybe that changes the resource put on it. So it's the same with GPS data as a fall to what you were saying about. Free agencies is a fair to say that the approach is going to be different this off season and you'll be more willing to kind of get involved in the top of the market free agents as opposed to what you've done the past two years. I think we'll be fair to say Zach. Is that over the last two years coming off the Super Bowl. We had a different amount of resources going forward. And we're looking at our team building over that seventeen eighteen nineteen period and we knew a twenty that we're going to have to kind of change that a little bit so now we're looking at it over the course of window not that we don't WanNa win this year. We desperately want to win this year but moreover building this team over twenty twenty twenty twenty one hopefully twenty twenty two. It's hard to look three years out really but Keep our on that so I think that maybe changes the complexion of some of our decisions. this off season that is different than coming off the super bowl or coming off losing to the Saints Individual Investment in Andre Dillard. I frown I mean. How can you allow him to sit for another year? If you do have plans for Jason. Here's back Andre. Getting that experience Certainly left tackle was huge for him. we're very confident in his abilities to be really good player. But it's a good problem to have that have a lot of these offensive. Linemen that we think are players in that can play online deficient league and I think we feel fortunate that we have these good options in that. It's not the flip side. Were trying to figure out what we're going to do going forward on our offensive line that we have a lot of good options. Choose from the search you know. That's all coach Peterson. He makes those decisions at the same time. Just like when I'm hiring staff member promoting staff member. I want him to interview him. I want him to get to know him. Because we're all in this together And so that's kind of how we roll on everything I if I'm hiring somebody. As part of my staff they sit down. Coach Peterson But at the end of the day I got have responsibility for that decision. And when he's hiring anyone you know he's GonNa make that decision but You know we get a chance to sit down and talk a little bit. But it's all based on his perspective and what he's looking for. Hello this is Dave Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and host. The podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer director who lives to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with pen and the pad and physically write down. Everything just has not. My style turns out COMEDIANS. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live with is really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you learn from this? What was your takeaway? I nothing Guyane not. I'm not a CHAMARA person. Good one from culture and the VOX media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. You do not use the puck this effort. Oh what a great question. Just David Fox. I wouldn't get obviously with backup quarterbacks. You guys have nick foles and then Josh mccown last year this year. Maybe I feel more of a prominent role. How do you feel about putting suffield? That's yeah I mean we. We've been real comfortable with an eight. He's been with us now. The last few years Very comfortable with him. Obviously he has an opportunity and and we'll see what happens this spring when we get down the down the down the road here with him but you know he he's he's put himself in a position to compete and and possibly be our number. Two running backs skies have been injured in guys have been. Kinda retiring are you. Are you combine this week? Bedford of you know this is. This is a great opportunity for US. Coaches. This is the first time for us to really put eyes on these college players and and we're looking to add value and talent at every position. Not just running back but We've done this last couple years and we're GONNA continue with this process. Really been really honest over the last few years he kind of. Use it for your by your thing. Have you talked to him expecting evacuated applying next year? You know I saw at the end of the year when we had our exit physicals and had a chance to sit down with him. And you know I think Kelsey is in a really good place With every player especially veteran players. I want them to take time. You know be be with their families. Get Away from the game. You know refresh recharge and we'll we'll cross those bridges but obviously we love to have you grow in one day later after you had said that maybe you had me to change what changed in that one day. I'm going to go back to. Wip interview that. I had about a week later. And you didn't well for those who did. Thank you You know that decision. Obviously I I was not clear. In what what I said in the communication level there and and I was still in my valuation process of my entire staff at the time and and so it was just You know A situation where I just misspoke and You know apologized to that was fired. You know there's Times where Of course the season of the year Thinks just Things just don't work out you know and and You know I'm constantly evaluating everybody in in my coaches. Know this coming into this into this business into this Our Organization and I have to make tough decisions. We have to do it with the players. We have to do with coaching staff. And and so. It's just made that Jeffries. There was not there was not. You know it's it's this is one of the things that I appreciate about Jeffrey. How is they give me A total control over the staff. Are they interested and do they? Do they talk to me about certain guys? WanNa talk to candidates. Sure they do I think it's it just behooves them to have all the information you know with guys that I bring into the building so they give me that that control to make these decisions and You know I gotta make the tough ones but at the same time felt like made some really good hires than spring sears. Your next you know how I think in this. There's no guarantees in this business. I am excited however with air. And he's a former player. He's been around some great minds in this league. You know. He's worked with and played with Peyton manning and and Here here in here in indy. And he's now coached the position. Obviously collegiate level you know. He's got the right demeanor and I'm excited to work with him and and You know get him on board. Get them caught up to what we're doing and look forward to this off season offensive staff with ruined coordinator and asking coordinator and also adding. Scanty Rela. Is he going as going to be your quarterbacks coach essentially and you're the third team rams in the forty niners also have this run pass separation wise at last? I think number one now. My office coordinator doesn't have to talk to you guys. That's that's going to be. That's going to be V. Right and I mean the thing is listen I for the last four years I have had an office coordinator and by position and by title and and yet when it comes to Game Game Day decisions game calls. I'm the one that's calling the place so the office coordinator doesn't do that. And so I. I thought long and hard about this and it's why I took my time this off season. You know with these decisions with rich putting him in a in a in a senior offensive position and in promoting press to a pass game coordinator. I I really feel like that. That in order for us to grow. I've got to give him more as a coach. I got put more on his plate. I want him in a quarterback's Rome I still want him to be around. Carson in the guys and he's done outstanding job there but at the same time I want him to have more of a of you know his fingerprints on game plants and then rich comes in. He helps bridge the gap with with coached outline as the run game coordinator in now press and bringing all those pieces together along with myself and having such a collaborative game plan approach allows us to really have more I think a better sense of of our game plan that we're going into each each game risk so I just made that decision and obviously with it ultimately is. It comes down to me on Game Day with Colin Place Evaluation Process. That you consider giving up play call. No no not yet not yet. That's the part that keeps me. Attach support keeps me. You know it mile motivation right is is to be around the players to stand up in front of the room and install the plays during the week and and and be connected to the team. Offensively that way with all the other things I have to do so Play calling never never brought up. Did you find it hard to bring in a potential Caesar Offensive Systems? If they didn't get the call place I mean that's always something. I think a candidate who who wants to be an offensive coordinator. If they're going to a place where the head coach is calling plays or somebody else's Colin Place. Yeah that's that's difficult. That's difficult than and so some of the candidates. I spoke with and and even even brought into the building You know that was that was brought up and and I. I told him a front that you know. This is a position where you know. I'm still GONNA call the plays. I'm not going to give that up and they have to be comfortable with that and You know I listen to. I have hard time to I was interviewing for coordinator's job having called plays previously had be tough to tough to give up. Rich has the background in the SHANAHAN system. You guys have west coast and spread guys with different backgrounds. What's your vision for? How kind of how this is going to work together. Why do you want guys with such different backgrounds? Yeah I mean it's it's again are our approach has been very collaborative. Approach has been very very direct in in in from the standpoint of you know you hire position coaches for reasons not just to coach position but also to have input on on game plans and so having Ridge now being in and being around you know Kyle and his You know his offenses whether be in Atlanta in San Francisco and being around quarterbacks you know Matt Ryan and Obviously Garoppolo at Nick mullins in San Fran these guys He brings a and then having coordinator experience in Denver last year. Just For me very intriguing to to be able to bring in a guy that You know is is going to help Carson number one. It's going to our offense is going to. He's going to be a guy not not solely his responsibility but allowing us to take our our offense maybe to a to a different two different level as something that We weren't We weren't as good at last year in the last couple of seasons and those are all things that that you know. I have to take a look at your right through the evaluation process so I'm excited to work with rich and air guys. You know as we get ready for for. Ot's various roles one. He's as I mentioned he. He's going to be. He's going to be to bridge the gap he's GonNa be able to bring together the Ron Division in the passing division right and bring that together with a blend of of of new formations and plays and things that kind of tie everything together right And and so. That's that's going to be a key component. Obviously game plan. He's going to have his hands all over the game plan as well A lot of a lot of communication lot. Lot of film study yeah. He'll work with quarterbacks just like like I am in that room so you'll have a chance to do that as well and have some input there and and you know. Just assist with us on offense. I think I said the same thing about Darren sproles Kinda coach. Jr Straight lines gang and inquiry corey. Wow hard hard to you know. Obviously lose in tough to lose a guy like corey. They're getting the guy that he's going to be his players are going to be well prepared He gets the most out of his players players. Play hard for them and You know I'm excited for for for him. And being in this role with Detroit and with coach Patricia exciting to see where his career goes now. Production from the wide receiver. So what needs to happen? Get more production. Maybe injuries healthy. That's accession that every you know I was asked the other day about speed and all this other kind of stuff I mean. I think everybody here in this. This week is is looking for for speed and the next the next diamond in the rough and and and as we go through our evaluation process. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA find in pick the best the best players we can to help the Philadelphia Eagles. And that's how we get better talk about the relationship between Carson. Lanson Sean Jeffrey. You're in the building. Every day you see him interact view that as a problem for some of these people are. Donald can come back next year. Yeah I I don't I don't see that I think one of the things that were Carson really took a big step was in that leadership approach this past year getting everybody on the same page and onboard and and you know it's just unfortunate because we had a lot of high expectations as an offense going into the season and then when pieces started to drop out it's just unfortunate that way But there were there. Were no issues between those two. I think it's you know again. I I think it's a talented group. I think there's some guys here that Obviously can can can make an impact with you know and and with whoever picks them in drafts them. So something position. We'll take a look at it as As we do each year backup quarterbacks horsens at the point now healthwise experience wise that you could maybe go with a younger actually at that position. I think you could. I think I think you gotta be careful. It's gotTa be the right guy you know. Obviously it's gotTa be a guy that that You know you feel comfortable. Maybe maybe playing a game or two you know but at the same time you know what we've done with that position as we brought some veteran guys the past couple of seasons that have got us through and and You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA take a look that we always do. I mean that's obviously something that is important to me having been backup quarterback in the importance of that. So you know. We'll evaluate that this this offseason quarterbacks in the NFL. Either as backups. Or starters as it. Why do you think that is played pretty good ones Scott Mitchell years ago? Like what what? Why is it so hard to make it as lefty? I don't know good question. It's really good question whether they're they're playing baseball other sports but yeah Unique Stat. I'm not sure why honestly now now left handed right hand does matter. Can they complete passes or not? I mean that's bottom line out doesn't matter to me if you're right or lifted ambidextrous guys to if they can throw both great are you. I made aware of Scoundrel I we. I mean to wear risque so listen to this. Whole whole searches is a funny business. When you start talking to other coaches and whether their head coaches in this league in you're asking about certain Certain coaches and then start talking about guys his that and the other certain names come up and his name name came up and so I did a little more little more of a deep dive with him and and really felt like he was a guy that of interest for me and and Love the fact that he has old west coast routes So he and I it off right away from the standpoint of you know offensive play design and really felt comfortable with you know having them in our building.

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The Kist & Solak Show #84: Desean Jackson Returns!

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The Kist & Solak Show #84: Desean Jackson Returns!

"Copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed in Solex show presented as be nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show this episode eighty four brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I I'm your host, Michael kissed. Follow my work at bleeding green nation dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL K, I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin solich of the draft network and bleeding greenish dot com. Follow him on Twitter at Benjamin select that's S O L A K. Ben breaking news this Sean Jackson reunited, and it feels so good. How you doing brother? Chris Morin said Admiral report does Shawn jazzing. It's thirteen million guaranteed on restructure. Eagles sunday. A sixth round pick twenty nineteen to Tampa by seven twenty twenty. So the restructure thirteen guaranteed. My guess is that will be over three years. Yeah. My guess that would be over three years which put it at about four point three million guaranteed per year out. Imagine almost a hundred percent of that is in the first two years. And then. It's looking like eight seven million per year for three years. Yup. I'm well. I'm super sick. You're super sick were very gross and very upset. I'm so hot right now. I came and tell you how much sweating downing t I have like the window open. It's twenty degrees outside of Jibril. Sweating. How are you? What's going on buddy on buzzing off like a bunch of coffee and coughing types of medicine? So it's been good look to Sean Jackson coming back to Philadelphia. I have this breakdown on my timeline but warned sharp at short football tweeted quote Carson Wentz excels throwing the routes that desha Jackson runs the best. This extremely underrated. Acquisition unquote sets outs. Curls digs comeback, slants and post, all align. Pretty well with their success rates. Ben Jackson was on the last year the contract, obviously, you mentioned the restructure that. It's definitely going to happen. I know earlier in the day, you guess three years Howard Eskin. I believe it was put it out there that would it would be something like three years. I think that's what we're going to see obviously, we don't have the d. Tails for that full yet that may break during the show it may break while I'm editing. If it does then I'll put it in a news alert. But that's the information that we have right now. How are you feeling about this trade, and it looks like you're learning something new or not going something new? It's all trying to figure out all this stuff at the same time. It is a new store and Ben this hectic, this is crazy March eleven it is going down. Everyone is tampering with everything. Here's how that Sean saga went part. What I am up laying that healthy feel very poor Avs gone through Twitter's. I want a m and I see the the ESPN report. It was with typic- Madison end the gentleman. I think it is the Tampa. Right. It was like, dude. Yes, bring me, Sean. I would love that that'll wake up. There's a big I did not realize big demographic of eagles fans who would not want to Sean back while which I didn't get like like, I don't understand. Why you don't wanna Sean Jackson back if it's a character thing? Well, the coach no longer chip Kelly coach Doug Peterson character. Like doesn't mean something new. But like, I it's in context, it's. Really different thing to Sean wants to come back to Philadelphia. He doesn't wanna come Philadelphia to be a rabble rouser. Like he'll come back to Philadelphia because people like playing Doug Peterson high Roseman that's clear Jeffrey Loria, so you go, my guess was it was gonna be he was cut the eagles. Get him for about two years. Seventeen million was my guess, I didn't have gas on the guaranteed at thirty million. Like, I said, I think it'll be three years because that would be like six million guaranteed seven million guaranteed per year. If it was over two years, and then you'd assume there'd be more money on top of that. And I just don't think the eagles will be paying him like seventy percent of contra guaranteed giving him ten million per year. You know what? I mean. Thirty million guaranteed. I think it's over a three year contract. That's I guess when it became clear that the bucks were gonna trade him, right because desha was the one who declared himself cut, Sean bones integrate was like I am not with the bucks anymore. Like league source was like, hey, the bucks cut him. John was like I am getting cut and then right after that, Diana Rucinsky jumps in and says, I spoke with sources with the bucks, and they're saying that he hasn't been cut and it's like, oh, right. The brakes on and this is the. The exact reason why because the bucks Raila say, listen, we're not cutting him where like very willing to trade him in the eagles like less if he wants to come here. We know he does we've talked with his Asian you want something back for him. We will trade you for another the training for Sean. My guess was it was going to be a third round picks up a day. Three picks excuse me. The report comes out that it's two day three picks. Those like all that's more than I expected the Buckner had no leverage here. And never corrected report came out. It's a it's the twenty nineteen six getting to Sean in twenty twenty seventh. Of course, the twenty twenty seventh. They are there. They gave away to the patriots in the day three picks up for Michael Bennett. So we'll goes around comes around. This is as good of a deal you'll find they went from the sixth round to the seventh round. And got a great player. Who loves the city is a fan favorite is desperately needed it in the offense. And yes, a little long in the tooth. But last time I checked he's still fastly don't think he died. The Maliki Jackson trae news. We're gonna get to after this is objectively good. But I think this is the highest. Packed move was made at least today in terms of Aguilar. De jacks and on best wide receiver ruin the NFC's. I said that on the internet. I didn't think it was going to be inflammatory. It turned out to be wildly inflammatory. I have many giants and Cowboys fans furious of me at least Redskins fans know where they are on the totem pole. Thank goodness for that. Giants Cowboys has both upset, but then also is a big demographic of NFL Twitter. That's like the rest of the room stinks. Nobody really knows what's going on with that. But to me it's the best way to see room in the NFC east throw in the tight ends. It's the best receiving core of the NFC's. There is of course, a conversation to be had about Nelson galore. What this might mean for him this year, currently a nine point four million dollar option. None of which is guaranteed and folly. He's obviously not contract between nineteen. So those are my thoughts aren't will. You think about how the deal went down and how the eagles wide receiver room looks. Now. I think it looks great. And I think that's the bold of what they're looking for on the outside between Torrey Smith. Mike Wallace Shawn is just another next in line. Now, you can lock them up for a little. A bit longer. We'll see what the details are on the contract. But I saw something online at apologies for whoever posted this. But they basically said they showed it through the stats quarterback ratings and all this stuff to Sean Jackson has made every quarterback. But James Winston a better quarterback when he is on that team as a deep threat as guy who has I think he's like something around fifteenth for most explosive plays in the last three years combined. That's what he brings to an offense. So I'm glad to have Sean back. And now, we can put all this deep threat stuff to bed. They wanna draft later on the draft. I it helps fill a need, and it's not just a need fill. It's not just taking his swing on a guy like John Ross for a late round pick. It's getting a reliable veteran, which is what the eagles like to do with these light round picks. So I'm all for Ben. Do we want to go to the Jackson stuff? Give me a thumbs up. If you're good on that yet. No, the only last point. I'd like to make an thumbs up is absolutely. Like, the delta between going from six to seven in terms of your village to hit on a player is actually zero right? It's just zero you are as likely to make a good six because you're making good seven their big egos traded nothing and got a guy who on name alone more than Mike Wallace more than Torey Smith more than anybody in the roster will freak teams out deep, and it's to Sean. It's sean. Yeah. It's to it's just it's it's basically happy. So if you wanna put your quarterback on island against Sean. That's great. If you wanna give double coverage. Attention DAL, Sean, Jeffrey like he was getting on the backside of those three by one sets that freed up some of those deeper routes. You saw Nelson Igor do it against the Texans. Same thing for Sean checks. He's going to benefit that way. So pick your poison with who you wanna put over top. And who you wanna double coverage 'cause you only do so much of it, which is fantastic. So good news for the eagles, in my opinion. Let us know at BG and underscore radio. What you think gentlest bullets transition here to the first news of the day? Former Denver Broncos and Jacksonville Jaguars defensive tackle Maliki Jackson signs for three years thirty million dollars with the eagles. Not ten million the funniest. Part about this was that field Yates tweeted out that it was three years. Ten million dollars total everyone lost their minds. He had a follow up with a correction and a Homer disappearing into the bushes gift, which I thought was great. But it's three years thirty million dollars total former league Jackson, I thought it was a touch high. Then you start seeing some of the other ridiculous deals, and you feel better. But without having the details as far as where the money is distributed over the three years when it's feasible for the eagles to get out of it things of that nature. I roll you speak on how high or low I am on the deal because the devil is in the details with these contracts, and none of it matters. If he plays up to his previous levels because that's what I think is worth at the peak of his game some context for Jackson in my viewings relieving up to the game. The eagles. I saw good player, but one that might have taken a slight step back in two thousand eighteen I think Brandon Thornton we've had on this show before respected evaluator that I like kind of echoed those sentiments, but some of the analytics conflict with that thought, including sports. Oh solutions tweeted this out the Jackson ranks seventh in pressure percentage at nine point two percent. Among the fifty seven DT's with two hundred plus pass rushes in two thousand eighteen. So again, that's seventh out of fifty seven last year for pressure percentage. They go on to say that he's been very consistent wrecking tempt. Ben is dancing right now. Iran's tenth in two thousand seventeen for the same thing. Six in two thousand sixteen. Let's go to another analytics platform to see if they lineup EFF also has him six in pass rush productivity out of seventy four last year. So high marks from the analytics guys, so maybe my sample size was skewed as I prefer the eagles game. Because John owning another guy that I respect told me that like week thirteen and on he was absolute fire. So maybe he was better than I remember. And Ben I know you plan on getting up film piece on Jackson for bleeding, greenish dot com. Soc so much is happening that you haven't gotten into too much of the film. This is obviously a need fill that gives them more flexibility in the draft and in their defensive line rotation. It helps them get Fletcher. Cox from eighty percent of snaps back down to sixty percent of the. Snaps that they continue to ads the position Ben how you feel about this acquisition. I like Billy Jackson. I think it's a good fit. Yes. It's important for shows me Jackson has a dominant season with the Denver Broncos. He goes on to sign a six year eighty five million six year ninety million contract at the time was a top three contract among all defensive tackles. When he signed a was in twenty fifteen that he had that big season six years eighty five million with with Jaguars. He goes to Jacksonville and he his production from a sack perspective from a rush. Perspective penetration. Perspective stays the same. If not increases up until twenty teen legs over there was that step back, and then boom, he's already on a huge contract. Jacksonville's chock full of good defensive tackle talent. They draft the in Brian afford last year in the first round with the intention of having the ability to get rid of some of these big contracts. And hey, one of the reasons why you open up all that money. It's signed Nick foles to four years. Eight million with over fifty million guaranteed, which is insane. They were bidding against themselves in overpaid. How I don't get it. I don't get it. You could have traded a third to have Nick foles on one year. Twenty five million guaranteed. Anybody to move on from him. We obviously don't know what the contract looks like yet. But instead you keep the third which I acknowledged objectively good while the fifty million is paid out over the first three years. That's all. Yes. So so it's paid out over the first three years. But when you look at like like, here's the thing. They said last week that Jacksonville was the most likely team to be trading for the for Nichols. The Jacksonville Nichols was done. So nobody else was really batting than who. Are you outbidding? I heard like Miami lightly mentioned once this morning in about two hours worth of airtime that they talked about Nick foles, like just like sidebar, perhaps my like, it was a total throwaway comment. It was just accent Ville, and so that's one to you just signed the guy to be your likes. Starter you're gonna go with us. You rule with him? This is not a contract for a bridge. Right. Not not to know, whatever like that. This is a contract for a win is controversial champion. So now you have to look at a wide receiver room. That's like what marquees Lee and DJ charge. Your tight end room has nobody and running back with Uber side, you have uninformed who knows how big of that thing that is. And you made good investments in your office alignment to give you that. But you just took a guy who if anything what he did was just maximize the skill players around him. And you really bad skill players. Like if in your head like you've got the quarterback. Now will you need a draft exceedingly. Well, why does retire that in the immediate future? And Jackson's hasn't done that. So I have no idea, and then well, we talked about this on the show with the rumor I came out, and I said, I don't really think def- LIPA Jacksonville means foles going to Jacksonville. Now, obviously foles is there. He flip was unquestionably. A massive part of that. Like, he like, you know, there's no way the Jaguars are are bringing in foles less. Has set explicit like want foles I can win two championship with foale's as office coordinator asthma quarterback. But like, I look like it's very interesting to me. Like I look at the foles offense run by the eagles. When defo's there's quarterbacks coach. And then I look at the Kirk cousins offense run by different buzzing office coordinator, they are not the same. So like develop gotta go back to run the Nick foles twenty seventeen offense. We've got to go coordinate offense that doesn't look like what he wanted to do with the Vikings. So they you just got a coordinate Frank Reich's offense. You try to become Frank Reich because he's not no understand this last year two thousand eighteen this is from sports info solutions forty six point two percent of Nick foles attempts came on either Arpaio's screens or zero to one step concepts which was third highest among forty two quarterbacks with one hundred told a total attempts that way that will who is that front. That's sports info solution. That's such a good stat. He's a facilitator they don't have the weapons to facilitate to right? And I would be curious to see what the. Minnesota Vikings Kirk cousins twenty eighteen numbers were I would guess that the screen number is up there in his highly competitive, the RPO number one step drop number. I would imagine our security down and Bortles ranked to last with just sixteen point six percent. So they have to completely overhaul that offense, obviously, bringing in flip as part of that. But it definitely is a change for them. They don't have the weapons to run that kind of stuff because they don't have the. Yeah. So that's that Actimel league backed Maliki because we totally say time without cutting Maliki to creek ask face now, we got on full standard you come a leak, but we're now looking at a guy who's been as you said top ten interior penetrator interior disruptor in three of the last four seasons. Jacksonville. Obviously cuts him Philadelphia three or thirty million like it's a good sized deal. But it's for a good player. Good sized flare you on. I mean, this is not dissimilar in my opinion to TIMMY Jernigan in this sense. During traded for a guy running contracts last year deal had to extend whenever Jackson picking up a free agent. But in both cases. This has the potential to be a top ten penetrator next Fletcher Cox, and if you can find that guy you lock him down because of the the what that interior penetration does for your defense. Rusher your front four cannot be on overstated. They had it entering it. And injuring head off fields non football related injury. And that really through Renton thanks for joining it's gone, but three or thirty million. This is just the money. They wanted to be paying Jernigan who was younger, and they knew a little bit more about. But this they're just paying Jernigan. It's just now his name is Malea Jackson was spine injury journey was good. And if the eagles get just Jernigan it outta me Jackson. Right. That's w they're getting it for like one million less per year. But put that aside Jackson getting better Jernigan was at his high Jackson was a better player under was. So that's like like the the right way to conceptualize. This move is the eagles found their elite defensive tackle next Fletcher. Cox say they're good defensive tackle cocks, his name is TIMMY Jernigan. They signed him to a long your deal, a very unfortunate off feel full incident happened and. So they just got Molly Jackson Lega just they just wash rinse repeat, which is a mazing willingness to be aggressive by Roseman on the front office. Love them. Lee Jackson move love the Sean Jackson move. The eagles are getting the ninety seventh peg two thousand twenty NFL draft cause ain't nobody paying single free agent market more than fifty million guaranteed for years eighty eight million. Let me tell you that. And I was sad that seabiscuit was gone. Yeah. We're gonna talk about that. Because when we come back. We'll talk about a player that's back in a player. That's not back. That's when we come back here on bleeding green nation. I hated that. I'm used colleges. Nate Sloan songwriter. Charlie harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. It's our job to help you find those moments within the music, whether you're a pop fanatic or a skeptic a teenager or an octogenarian non musician or professional composer every music lover. Will discover something you're opening in switched on pop. Yeah. And we think you'll have a lot of fun with us because you're going to get to hear from amazing guest musicians. Song writers producers journalists listen to switched on pop. Every week starting in March on the apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back here on the kissed and Solex show episode eighty four just record about this slow news day bench. Jason Peters is back for two thousand eighteen it's a one year contract. Max value is ten million dollars. There's five point five million dollars in guarantees the bodyguard returns. Ben I wrote about the decision that they had to make with Peter's coming into the off season. And in that piece. I wrote quote, if he doesn't retire restructuring his deal and finding another piece often to tackle is the right move for the organization so out of those two boxes they've already checked one while also reducing the urgency of the other. So I'll tell you this from where we're sitting right now I'd much rather have Peter's than not because we know what's behind him that being big the who was shell shocked last year and a seventh round pick Jordan, my Latta who is likely multiyear project that ended the season on. I are good to have Peters back. Just to have some. Depth at that tackle position. Like, I said on Twitter eighty percent of Peter's is two hundred percent of big veep. Ben, what do you think? Yeah. Exactly. Like eighty percents that big number because Jason Peters wrote up his offseason evaluation for bleeding green. I said listen is starting caliber left tackle. It's no longer the elite left tackle that was right gagging ham. You say that buzz starting caliber left tackle is. He worth ten point six million, probably not. But starting left tackle starting left tackle the week in those guys, you know, if you have them you don't get rid of him. And so while liking vacuum. Sure, you might wanna cut Peters trying to find another option. What you have the guy under contract. He's been around. He's huge lock from guy than. Yeah. You keep Peter's eighty percent of the snaps will what we knew of his twenty nineteen option was it was five point seven million on the base. There was a two million roster bonus. And then there was the pro-rata bonus from his restructure which was back in twenty seventeen. I believe that makes it a a ten point six million dollar cap it, but with no guaranteed money. There was no guaranteed. Money on that deal. Now, we know five point five million is guaranteed because they've picked up the option the rest of that money. Pro-rata bonus two point six two million on the roster in another five hundred thousand four workout bonus that last two point five million. I'm pretty sure you can potentially put that escalators for playing time. Who is very interesting the eagles announced via their Twitter account that they have reworked Jason Peters on a one year deal. They didn't say they picked up between nineteen option that we have signed him to a one year contract. So I don't know if this ten point six is exactly what we're looking at a chance. It is changed because I'm not positive with the way the eagles announced it that. It's just picking up the option row. Right. So if that's the case with only five point five million guaranteed within there's another five million somewhere that could potentially be playing time escalators snap count escalators, which makes sense. Like, I think that Peter's really relations with the front office with the ownership. They could come to be like, hey, we wanna keep your. We're not gonna cut you. But like it's hard to pay you a figures. Good snap lesson. Eighty percent of the time. Can we just built snap count numbers in your in your number safe? You say healthy the money and Peter say, yes, it's a nice gesture for everybody yet by. Yup. There's the there's the chance that Peter's gets paid the ten land. There's a chance that if he's only paying in percent of the snaps. He doesn't get the full ten million. And there you go. It'd be really nice to be able to say, hey, don't worry eagles gonna drop off at the tackle around. One will number one. You never want to force yourself into a position draft around one. That's how you get awful reaches that kill your team and number two rookie tackles, never sure thing. No move me Jackson. Jason peters. Takes a position out of play for that spot at round around one at twenty five, but it makes all of them less of an impetus less demanding. And as a result gives you more flexibility to take what talented false, right, overarching doesn't really move the meter much beers. Don't be the start of what you expect. There's little little nuggets stuff that could be cool there. But in general data, they should have done. If we drafted Colton Miller. We would be saying, please. I. Hope Peter's comes back because Colton is not ready yet. So very similar situation to what you're saying. I'm glad that Peterson's back before we get to the wiz news. I do want to say something about the pickups for the eagles. Because this is something that how he Roseman really focuses on. I know where I'm going with. I'm not a scientist by any means. But you gotta think that the full contract, obviously, you said ninety seven pick ninety seven that's going to be worth a big time Compaq, and what's better is since Maliki Jackson was cut and dishonor. Jackson was traded the eagles to major pickups today. Do not work against that formula. Which means that right now, the eagles are sitting very pretty to get the maximum of cop picks next year, which Howie Roseman is definitely keeping his eye on and monitoring throughout the situation. And it's definitely guiding some of his decision making as well. I'll shoot Mike Groff LA has one minute long video about why the Jaguars pay so much for Nick foles there. No the big bidders. We discuss here. But I can't listen to it right now. Because more the podcast. That's right. But we just asked this question and gruff lows are answered it graph. Ah by the way, killing as the rabbit war Philadelphia. He has every Philadelphia skew before have poor continually gets bad skews from Philly. Anyway. So allow is king crushing him crushing him more illegals news. It'll be the last one before we wrap up we'll record tomorrow about everything else going on in the league in all those guys. But we want to get this episode up in out to you guys. But right now, we could talk about Steven was new ski his two thousand nineteen option will not be picked up by the eagles. It would have been a three point seven million dollar cap it. So there is some uncertainty at the other guard spot as Brandon Brooks recovers from late. Susan achilles tear. We don't know what that tells us something about his recovery. We think it's very unlikely that he is ready when he said he eats that he was going to be ready for by priests. And seven months Killys headed on three hundred thirty pounds. Right. We don't necessarily believe that. But we'll see what they do with that. Other guards spot any thoughts on on wiz going? Did. You wanna keep them? Or are you sad? What's going through your head right now? I don't think Roseman and the cap guy sat down. He said, listen, we really need three point seven million dollars. Was new skews isn't worth this money. Right. Was just you would have been the third highest payed left guard, and he wouldn't have been starting. Which like, yeah, that's great. But he would have been like the twentieth highest paid right guard, which for some reason right guards until more money than left guards. Don't really know why. And like for for his having guard center. Swing ability starting experience you have young left guard starter you have an injured right guard starter, I don't I don't think he knew that four million super desperately. My feary is was new ski who did not want to lose his starting job Tizoc Saint Malo who very much kindly swallowed the pill. When he did. It was very not finicky about it. He was not, you know, like anger outspoken about. It said listen, I'm on an option year. I can go start somewhere else. Please cut me. And let me go start somewhere else. Nego said. Yeah, that's fair. That's my theory, like us, don't you don't need this four million. And that players objectively useful to you like easy. Great sixth man into your off the white you have him. And then you have hopefully divide tie back. Tackle one of the best seventy in the league for office of line. You roster prior my Lada to develop pieces one of them is really great developmental piece. Awesome setup. Give it a chance for MAC. Heck? Yeah. Douala time coming it's beautiful. Right. Yeah. So what does this mean was gone will Philadelphia like, you know, a chance to invest on the veteran guard market bringing a veteran guy? That's definitely there prior. I think they really like is a potential backup right guard. I mean prior like if stoutly really wants a big body at right, garlic. That's important him. Like was not a big, dude. But if it's important in that had that big body brain Brooks tackle size right guard priors tackle size player. So maybe that's that's a part of his well, there's there's a size threshold. They wanna hit on like, you know. Yeah. Whiz back. Of the center, but technically so can say Malo if he learns how to snap and Kelsey was just extended. So Philadelphia clearly believes his ability to stay healthy. So right, they go. I think it's I think that it had more to do with Niki wanted to start somewhere else than it did like the eagles being dissatisfied with this play or something like that. I don't really think they need that for million badly. It's sad was guys. That would have been great piece really liked his play five starting caliber. I think go somewhere in started lifeguarding be fine although power to so as of six twenty four eastern time, we are all updated with the eagles news. 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REShow: Howie Roseman and Mitch Richmond. Hour 2 (06-11-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Howie Roseman and Mitch Richmond. Hour 2 (06-11-19)

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He said he didn't like the way he was running up the floor in the first quarter in which he scored eleven points, and he never problem Nick nurse. His time out with three minutes to go thinking that Nick nurse newest team that this team had expended a bunch of energy to take the lead and that just you had the time out to us might as well, use it and the fact that they turn the ball over. And the fact that the warriors made shots had nothing to do with nurse. Stop in the momentum about that he did say the raptors we're gonna win and seven our poll question is who do you think's going to win? Now, we do have in our green room, somebody who is particularly pleased that oracle has one more night of basketball from the warriors left in it. The m of run TMC Mitch Richmond is here in the rich Eisen show. He'll be joining us in a second and talk about all of last night's activity, Gary Viner, Chuck, who we love when he comes on the show, the CEO of vein or media vein or sports, five-time, New York Times bestselling author and entrepreneur and investors. Got a new fixation. He wants to tell you about an hour number three. So that's coming up. But we're going to pause for a second. Chris, if you don't mind, okay and pause on the NBA conversation for just a split second. Carson Wentz signed a monster contract, and we had Joe banner on the show recently to talk about that contract it, what it means in the greater things for quarterbacks being paid and salary caps. And the way teams are going to be put together and whether it would hamstring the eagles and putting a team together spoiler alert. He said it didn't. And I'm sure the next guy, the guys on the phone line right now knows a bit more about it because he's the one who struck the deal. Correct. Chris Brockman Howie Roseman on the phone. He's entering his nineteenth season in the Philadelphia Eagles organization v as the executive vice president of football operations. And by signing Carson Wentz to a new megadeal. He has the only quarterback signed through the two thousand twenty four season in the NFL right now. He's Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles. How are you doing? Great rich. How're you doing? I'm doing fine. Let's get right down to it. Why did you go ahead? And sign Wentz earlier than a lot of folks expected, Howie. Well, we think that it was inevitable that we were gonna Sean concept Carson to a contract, essentially, it was something that we wanted to do we know how talented he is. We know how he fits on and off the field for us. So the sooner we were able to commit to it the better chance we had of keeping the rest of the team together and being able to take some of those cap charges in the years that he had left on his rookie deal. And hopefully as we move forward here being able to surround him with a bunch of good players and and make another run in a championship. And in terms of signing him when you did did you take into account or factor that other quarterbacks obviously, one in your division with Daqing Dallas and the guy was drafted directly in front of him in Los Angeles in golf that if you get in right now that you might get a better price for your player. Now, the great part about doing deals early is there's risk on both sides. And so those are usually the best opportunities to find win win situations. And we understood that when you're talking about the kind of money that we committed to this player that there's no discount, and it's, it's full price. And at the same time we're excited about being able to do that. Lock it in and figure out going forward the best way to surround him. But certainly, you look at all the circumstances around and the history of the league, it's no secret says that as you move forward and the cap moves forward prices go up, and then we see the number what, what, what the contract is, and a lot of fancy that in that you are now going to be a bit hamstrung. And as you pointed out to surround Carson with guys and resigned guys that you so already surrounded Carson with because of how much he costs. How, how would you respond to that? How? The thing we have to do is we gotta continue to get more draft picks the last couple of years based on some of the trades that we made and certainly wouldn't change those circumstances to give a special to compete and win. We traded some draft picks and going forward. We know we need more draft picks. We gotta hit on those draft picks at a higher percentage. Now the draft to it's a crap shoot. You know as you go through the draft. Even when you're in the first round, your percentage rates, not like you know, you're in the first round you got an eighty percent hit rate, especially hopefully you're picking in the in the bottom third of the round. But the more opportunities, you get the more shots, you get at that lottery. The better chance you get, so that's on us. That's on me to make sure that we continue to get more picks. And with some of the free agent losses that we had this year, we already know that next year in the draft will have more picks, and hopefully I can have the patience to not trade those players who've done in the past. And obviously, the phone while I guess, that's what I'm doing right now, keeping you on the phone, instead of thirty one other games in like see this is a win win for you. And for me. Then how we see we're. I know I like the action the action. The action I do. That's, that's part of the reason why you do what you do. But so the interesting part about a draft pick, obviously, is it's the player is cost effective compared to what else you're talking about. But eventually, though, if they, you do hit on them, you do have to pay them. So how, how does it work? The cap hit for Carson that makes this a win for for you. And the Philadelphia Eagles in that regard, how Roseman well if you wait, two more years or each player at the end of the deal, you're not able to prorate some of that charge over a long period of time. But this is really been our philosophy going back since I've been until lease to try to sign guys target guys identify guys, you know the differences between having guys on your own team in China, Gaza in free agency is you've lived with them until you know, it's, it's like it's like before you get married. You know, you're ready. Ready live with them. You're ready. No. They're good. And bad habits. And so, you know what you're buying. And. For us that, that we should be able to know our team, the best. And so we're going to continue to try to identify those guys on them early. I mean that's going to be really the crops of, of how we do things here. And if you go and look back in two thousand sixteen the first thing we did before we made the Carson trade now, before we got into free, and she is we signed a bunch of our guys to extensions and we want people here on and off the field to know that if they do the right thing they do a good job. There's no reason to leave Howie Roseman, executive vice president of the Philadelphia Eagles here on the rich Eisen show. Your concern about Carson's health is what how much did you factor that into this contract? Howie. Carson looks great. You know, we get the opportunity to see him out here every day. Obviously, we have our doctors. We, we have a team of doctors on every player, not just Carson, so we're we're fully confident in Carson, and we couldn't be more excited to get this going. I'd like to say that I wish it was September. But after all the action the last few weeks, maybe in a week I can say that better. Maybe going to get away for a week. And then I'll be really excited in all in all series this, when it all comes down to it, though, the, the, the guys, we all know as talented as he is specialty is both on and off the field has not been able to stay on the field to finish the last couple of seasons is that any concern level at all for you in the front office alley. I think our actions speak, louder than our words here, rich. And you know, we wouldn't do this if we had any doubt about what Carson is going to do going forward and, you know, he does a great job and taking care of his body and like everything in my. If you know, your experiences are great teacher for things that you can do going forward. Just, you know, you're the perfect person to ask this. He's an executive vice president of the eagles Howie Roseman here on the rich Eisen show. I don't know if you saw a, I guess, a colleague of yours in the NBA in Bob Myers last night, the general manager of the Golden State Warriors getting very emotional at the microphone after Kevin Durant. Injured himself again in a game. And a lot of people are wondering some why he was playing. Can you walk me through the process of a front office? And putting a player on the field that significant clearly for the franchise Carson would be perfect example who is hurt banged up and the concept of putting him into the fray in that regarding how I you know, Bobby as a friend, and, you know someone yet. Yeah, obviously you're in that situation we were in that situation. We were in that situation couple years ago, we were down in LA and Carson got hurt. And, you know, I think the one thing it does, is it gives your your leadership your team the character of your team and opportunity to do something special and really kind of to it in that in that person's name really? And they have a great opportunity, and they've such great character and leadership on that team from the front office. Coaching staff on down. Then I know though. Rebound in wish them the best of luck as they go forward. But, you know, I think a lot of times, people don't understand this process, which I get and, and really controlled by doctors, and, and your medical staff and not only that, but you have so many outside consultants when you're talking about superstar players, and really all your players that nobody's just getting one opinion on any of these injuries. Nobody's just taken. For example, the team's opinion or the players, doctor's opinion, you're getting all those opinions together, and it's a collaboration of information, and you're not doing anything especially when you talk about, you know, a player who's about to free agency, and I can't speak to individually that situation. But they're, they're doing everything in a way that is totally transparent for the player for the team and only making that decision. Like I saw his interview this morning, when I it's nobody's fault, things happen. You know it's the nature of the game. And so. I think that sometimes there's this perspective that, you know, the team is making the call only but you, you have so many people involved in these decisions on all sides, and all of these things are about board. So what did you think of when you saw him? Good emotional. You know, I it just took me back to where we were in, in LA that time. But also really throughout the course of my time here when you have players that you care about, and they're like, your kids, they're like fingers on your hands. I mean, eight it's hard to see guys you care about suffering, and not being able to perform and, you know, I know I, I think about I was thinking about the fact that when we were in Minnesota preparing for the Super Bowl, and we had this group of guys and it was Carson Jason Peters, and Chris Maragos, and it was Darren sproles, and it was Jordan Hicks. And those, those guys those guys just working out. And while the team was preparing to play in the Super Bowl and just feeling for them, you know and knowing that they work all these hours. They do all this stuff. They train just to have this opportunity. It's hard. It's hard. You know, this is why you do all that executive EP Howie Roseman. You're on the richeisenshow couple more minutes left. With with him. So let's just re- return if you don't mind to the, the concept of signing a quarterback for as much money as you did. This is the system now. Right. How I mean like you draft somebody, you get a couple of years of a window in their first contract to try and win with them. You did. In fact, although it was as you point out, Nick foles, who who's the one who, who went through that legendary run in the playoffs. But this seems to be the, the system right now in the NFL that at some point, you're going to have to pay somebody who in the case of Carson for injury is never wanna playoff game there even played in a playoff game, and you're going to have to do that. Is that a good system? Yeah. I think that, that's the, the way that we all grew up knowing this was what you do. This is the ideal system is you get a player that you think superstar player at the most important position in sports and you build around him. And, and do you understand that, that guy gives you chance to win? And we talk about how much success we had in the playoffs with Nick, but we wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for Carson and SE had and what he did for our football team. And this guy's twenty six years old. He supremely talented. He's got an amazing work ethic, and he makes everyone around him better. And that's what you look for in you. You get these opportunities and you're hopeful that you this is someone that you could build around for a long time, you know really goes back in two thousand sixteen when we made the straight and and gave up all those picks for for Carson. I thought the thing that was really the most powerful for us. Was that you think about the two thousand four draught and. The giants training for ally and Philip rivers and Ben and how long those guys played to be able to recoup the picks, but also giving their team the chance to be in contention every year when you have that guy and so that, that's the exciting part about that. And that puts back on us, and our responsibility to make sure we continue to get good players in here and build a team that also some depth. And that's what we're going to continue to try to do. And, you know, I think by doing it early is a better chance even if it's just to keep one or two more players than we, would if we did this year to from them. So how how far in advance does someone in your position plan for that? When for instance, the cardinals just drafted Kyla Mary first overall, do they sit down right now and say three or four years from now? It all works out. We got to have this much money available. I mean how does it work in terms of planning purposes with the sustain and the moment for a little bit? Don't you read what? Maybe here too, before you can do sign anyone till after they played three years on their rookie deal. So I like to think looking back at it now from our perspective that maybe we end enjoyed the moment of building around it and giving him an opportunity to develop into the player he was, you know, he took a huge jump. He had a really good rookie year, but took a huge jump from year one to year to, and then you get into a position where you see him have some adversity and how he overcomes adversity and his work ethic. And again, it's just the more, you know, about someone the more experiences you have with someone the more confident you are in, in committing to them. And so I, I think for us that that's how it went. And when you have a guy who's got all these traits and you see how hard is defined that guy. And when you find that guy gives you chance to compete every year. You don't want to lose that, so you're telling me to live in the moment. How is your way of telling me to live in the moment right now? I like the moment. Rich, I do you know. I like the moment and there, there could be part of you, though. That's still got to think about the future. Right. But at the same time here, you gotta enjoy you got to enjoy the Ron a little bit. I know unfortunately, some teams don't let you do that. And I guess in the last couple minutes half with you here. What are your thoughts on a couple of your colleagues, losing their gigs in between the draft? And, and the beginning of the, the summer how in one of them in New York lead to you losing. Joe Douglas in your front office. What is happening in our business right now? Thank the godfather movies. This is life. We've chosen. You go and Hyman Roth on me. My head. That's where my head is the business. We've chosen in. Yeah. It's, it's a tough business. It it's a very bottom on business and sometimes even the bottom line doesn't always work out, and he hate to see good people. You know, be out of a job, and it's just ban. You know it just it you understand when you get into this, that you gotta win. And you gotta surround yourself with, with good people on and off the field. And all of us are just a product of the people that are we have around us. And, you know, you talk about Joe and what great guy he he's been for all of us and my great opportunity. He has a New York, but we'll miss him and it stinks it's thanks to lose good people thinks it was good players, and I guess that's the price of having some success. So I'm hoping that maybe we continue to lose good people and good players. Because now probably mean we're still doing well, thanks for the call a joy or whatever downtime is. Coming your way, and we'll, we'll chat down the line training, camp and beyond. I really appreciate it. Thanks for hanging out of that's how he rose. Many eagles executive VP here on the rich Eisen show, and I guess the other thing he has in common with the Hyman, Roth as he watches USC, Notre Dame and turns to television volume all the way up to mask the deals that he's making. Thank you. Can I can't have anymore? God for I can't have enough gone from other references. So I honestly thought let's extrapolate this out how far in advance you have to plan. Yeah. To resign your guy because this is a serious chunk of change right here big time. And how about him basically saying draft him get him up to speed den around year. Three can't sign up before you three that's when you start thinking about that stuff. But they signed him really early. Then they're able to spread the cap. It is Joe banner described last week. They're able to spread some of the capital over the next couple of years. So when he does hit that huge annual salary and the cap number goes up. They're going to be better positioned than any of the other teams are going to sign Dak and golf or other teams that have these types of quarterbacks, they're gonna sign them later than this gets. It makes you wonder what these other teams are waiting for. Guess it's just the philosophy or that their cap space. They can't afford to spread it out right now the have to wait. But it I'm telling you, Chris, I know you have an issue with the Martinez, the market, do the market is the market. But that is the way this is the business they've chosen this is the way the businesses gone. We'll see if it leads to write Super Bowl and quarterbacks will say. I'm going to leave the room. I'm going to take a nap when I come back and if the fully guaranteed contract is on the table on Noah I'll have a partner. And if not, I know I won't. You know what I'm saying? Can you have enough Hyman Roth? Okay. How are you Mitch Richmond? Good to see his Mitch Richmond is here. 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Eleven o'clock at night between one thousand nine hundred four nineteen Ninety-six the number of times, I did highlights of Mitch Richmond for the Sacramento Kings, on my eleven o'clock broadcast that I I've lost track the point my dad, I would send him tapes. My father would say, how do you sing? Mitch Richmond so well. So it it's Mitch Richmond. You say it so fast. But at any rate, the fact that I'm now on a show with my name on it. And I look at you and I see you hear it gives me in a sense of accomplishment, because of who you are, and what you stand for, and how your friends of the good buddy of mine and serve. Great to see you here. Thanks how he's essentially what I am saying what about that game last night all man what a gay what a game. I mean you know it was the excitement to before the game where, you know, you really and truly know how great Kevin Durant is, you know, coming off of not playing for five weeks and any common nails, the first three threes at he shoots. Just just amazing performance. I first quarter you could see the rest of the team he was he jilted the rest of the team, you could see he told no series he jolted, the series, he jolted the, the strategies he is why the hell do we need to see that to realize what a difference maker? He is for some people. Mitch. John. Thank you nuts. To me. Sometimes he'd be in the moment. And you know you don't see him. And you know, you just think that the greatness that he has. I think that's the confidence that met made him come back. You know, you look at the sex the sex that he's had in the playoffs. A guy walk on the court. He's averaging thirty points a game and doesn't matter if LeBron gardening, whoever's gardening, he has put up a big numbers against anyone even against the warriors when they lost. And then there was up the rewind, but he's just a tremendous tremendous players, and he will go down as one of the best. Now, you tell me again, your fourteen seasons the NBA your, your hall of fame resume. I'm in a position where I talk into a microphone every day and so many others in, in my business industry, do the same and I hear all the conversation and the talk and the talk of legacy and the talk of what people are saying, and I think many athletes, here, they really don't absorb it. Durant might be different in the fact that he has burner accounts on Twitter and things of that nature, where he's all here about him is he's very sensitive guide. And do you think any of the conversation about his legacy his joining the team that he couldn't beat despite winning two NBA finals VP's for them that all that conversation that he doesn't really wanna play from anymore center factored into him playing last night? Do you think any of that factor? I think probably a percentage of that because we, we've been here, net for how long, you know, even when he when he joined the warriors they were talking about, you know, he's doing the best team in the world. So he's he's, he's hurting his legacy. I'm pretty sure some of that creeped in his mind. But I think the most important thing that, that creep in his mind is that if he didn't get paid he would still be playing this game. And he's one of those guys that love basketball loves to play. He wanted to help his team and he probably had some, some. Gripes in the back his mind. But he knew that they needed him, and they needed a boost for digest actually see him on the court. I thought he was going to have thirty that night, but you can tell that he was just going to be able to, to catch and shoot probably not. Do anything off the dribble. And I think what happened was instincts, just crypt crypt in, when a boxer pushed up on him. He's like, man. This guy king army and he tried to quick move. And that's what happened just a fake his mind. You know as his mind was a little head of his body at the time and it always happens to when you hurt a when you're older player. But I think at that particular time he felt like this guy. Can't garment. What are you pushing up on me and he tried? And then, and that's what happened and he planted his free up winter strip. Yes, you. That's your motivation. Yes. Because you've been there he's doing there like you know it, it happens in, in wreck lead. You know, when you when you retire, you get a guy. By, you know, keep talking smack, and then your mind is not really where your body's at your body's a little bit behind it. And now you're trying to do some things that you did. When when you were younger or do some things when you are healthy. And that's what happens sometimes when you when you're when you hurt you play better because, you know, you can't do some of the things so you really have to concentrate on on your movement, and how you play Mitch Richmond. Hall of Famer here on the rich Eisen show. You spent some time also with the kings in the front office. Correct. And that's what boogie cousins with their this. What boogie cousins had to say last night, about the fan reaction to the injury, as well as to some of the conversation that you and I were having about the talk in regards to Durant. Right. That was surrounding his comeback. Go forward is not about basketball is about everything else. It's all don't care about. Richard. Defense cheerily choice. So dress. But like I said. All out allows to start off. Not human beings. It's always about what we can do between those lines. But your reaction to that niche. I agree with a little bit. I definitely do agree with that. But I think in, in, in that sense where the fans of their reaction was quick. We can win a championship. And then I you gotta praise the Toronto Raptors players for, you know, toning that down telling telling the, the crowd to kinda. Hey man come on. Get a grip essentially just get a grip. I mean you know, we wanna win, but we don't want anyone to get injured. And like I said, you know, everyone is saying, you know, I love Toronto, Toronto is a good place and a lot of good people in Toronto. But I think it was just in the in the heat of the moment that they were like, hey man, we're trying to win a championship here and there were already scared, they Kevin Durant played. So when he came back and did that I think it was just a quick reaction of them, you know, trying to win a championship, but they get they gotta group. Have you ever been in a situation like that? Mitch where we're fans are on which I don't think in, in that sense. But I mean, I didn't you know, mom, I don't think so I, I don't think I have been the situation where the fans would you got her? It is no, no question. It last night again was such a unique game. And then just because as I said at the top of the show, it's an elimination game, which is always intense obviously NBA finals, the team being facing eliminations only the two-time defending world champs that put Durant back on the floor for the first time in thirty plus days and the team that has a chance to win is a team that's Representative entire country. That's never had a shot for something like this. It really was unique, and then in the midst of all it is Hawaii, Leonard. Yes. And how well he has been playing how great he has been playing. What did you make the final sequence of the, the game last night, where Kawai had the ball in his hands for brief bit the chance to win it? Well, I that in that sense, I think going to stay a wonderful job in trying to push them out and catch that about. Half court live and people, you know, is questioning should he took the shot? I think he would have had an opportunity to take the shot on one or two guys, if he would've caught in sweet spot if you had it on the post, if they had it in his mid range area or the free throw line area. I think he would have proper took onto guys. But at that particular time he had to take two or three jobs to even get to the three point line. And that's when they doubled him and he made the right play. He made the right basketball player gave it to his teammates and, and the rest is history. Do you think Nick nurse made a mistake calling time out? With three minutes to go as his team, had just watched coli score ten on on answered points. I don't like to go back to that. Because I think at that time, you know, you know Toronto was rolling. They had the best player in basketball, and is in these playoffs have opportunity gonna put it in his hands and finish it out Toronto Plato, a perfect gang where they say, hey, we're going to stay close as we can. And then we have an opportunity to give it to car, y and I mean, you have to quiet and and win the game and he almost single-handedly won the game. But the Golden State, you gotta give them credit because they never quit the whole game. They never quit. So you don't was that a mistake. Do you think that, that time out of time I, I won't vote back to that? I just think that it was some place down the stretch that they let, let curry get loose, they left clay, and it was quiet who left Klay trying to help out on someone else and green in excellent job and swinging the ball. All played it a great pump fake and got his feet. I just think it was just a winning in and making mistakes is is so close. And they made a they made some tough mistakes on to great shoes, and you cannot do that. And he can't close out the war you to knock out the war. Yeah. You've got they got up like the undertaker like Tyson fury last night. Right. Sure day we had in the studio just last week. A few more minutes left with Mitch Richmond basketball, Famer here on the rich Eisen show and you're going to they're going to have to try and knock out. The warriors in oracle one night, a basketball left in that arena. Now that few people thought might actually happen. What your favorite oracle memory? Mitch man, I have so many, you know, because, you know maybe being drafted from there. I have so many great member just playing with Chris and Tim and those fans have been like that even when we played, and even before we play when that house was coaching is a great fan base there. I'm gonna miss oracle. I'm going to miss, you know going into games. And that Oakland area, hopefully they can continue that, that stigma they have a in San Francisco because that, that's one of the best crowds in the game told that places unbelievable. Are you gonna believe are you going to the game? I think I'm going to be gone. Yes, they're going to be going. So when you walk I walk in oracle when you're fresh out of Kansas state. Yes. Coming from south Florida, where you, you know, you and bragging out, you might. What was that, like walking into oracle first time, do you have a good memory star where you will remember I think my first game just just remember played a probably average? I mean probably hit about sixteen seventeen points, but the energy of the crowd of, like, man, I really liked this even in ADA eighty eight I really liked this. They were always crazy for the, for the Golden State Warriors, not many of the people around knew about Golden State Warriors, but the people in Oakland and in that area, they love their team. Well, I mean you and Mullen, obviously Mullen, bringing more of the northeast New York City media attention to a spot that drew New York, probably hadn't paid attention to Mullin was Mr. Saint John's basketball, and then Tim Hardaway in the way that he played in the three the three of you meshed together, and was particularly special. Yes. I think and I, I remember all that. Did you realize how special it was when you were playing Well, I, I remember just having a great time plan. It was a it was a time where, you know, I, I look at the warriors, and who are you gonna double offer? And that's what that's what it was when we're playing with Chris and Tim. If you're going to double me, you know, Chris and Tim was going to have a big night if you're going to double Chris, I think you had to pick your spots. But when you have three players that can really score the basketball very hard. 'cause one one defender if he makes one mistake, say know when I'm not gonna help then you let a guy play one on one and Chris was one of the best shoes. Felt like I was one of the best one on one players in the game. And also tell so it's very difficult to garters. Did you guys ever meet run DMC? Of course. Okay. What was that made me? Give me the first run TMC run DMC solid where it was like a surprise that they were going to actually be performing the game when we play the Lakers and we got an opportunity to, to meet him before the game. And listen, I'm I've been watching run DMC, you know, growing up with their Dita's and everything. So it was very. Very important for me to meet them. And we had a had a great time, but I think we kinda pissed off the Lakers when we opened up with run DMC. It didn't it didn't go to well, plastic liquors. I mean magic I I don't think he he felt that we should be performing. We haven't won a game yet. So run DMC, you know actually did a concert right before the game. So we were filling ourselves. Really feel it. I feel great. Start the season and eighty eight. Do you remember was that Eighty-eight that no, no? I was the playoffs. We played the Lakers in ninety one thing. Yeah. I mean, the end of your stay there spice they there. And, you know, we had just we adjust beat the Lakers LA, and we're going home. Like, hey man, we're feeling good one. One opportunity could kind of kick them and run DMC they played before the game. You know they brought us out. So okay magic was pretty pissed and all the guys. But they gotta say. Yeah. Magic had fifteen and fifteen James worthy at thirty six that's what a team's jeez. What a game. Yeah, it was tough to think that you had twenty four okay. No slouch put a put up some, by the way, I would think Reverend run from Hollis queens. I'm very excited to meet Mullen. Oh, no question that something. Yes. New York guys man, south Florida guys. Well, we got everybody from south Florida's one of my favorite moments was being at the Pro Bowl go the year that it was on the mainland US for the first time they held it in south Florida and the, the place where they practiced the players the teams practiced at Saint Thomas. Quantity might okay? Okay with the school. Okay. Okay. So we did all of our shows from Saint Tomlin's and Michael Irvin shown up there, Elvis was in the below. No, no, they loved. I got here, man. Oh my. And he knew that they loved him. Yes. And it was just great to watch a by listen to come back loves walking in the front door. You know what I mean? But all the fanfare, that's what he does man bar. He's an entertainer. Or is an EMMY entertaining, these imitate could he could opened up for you? The nineteen ninety one. I mean that's, that's, that's, that's that's right around there s. Yes. Oh, and he's excited because, you know, today, I do believe is eight days until the beginning of the NFL season. Eight Michael Brown hats. Well, we will find out if that's true on Instagram or Twitter. We should we should you know he's gonna put that. Well, it's definitely a I know on eighty four days to the season. He won't be talking about Alvin Harper. Oh man. Oh. Okay. You know, just imagine being on the other side of the field. Michael Irvin saying give me the ball, Troy Noguera should be saying Troy, Troy Troy, Troy should be Saint Troy, Vincent. Troy aikman. I mean, for sure. Take good to see amid shea, thanks for having this spot is open for you anytime K, man. I'm right down the street. Okay. Amy, I'm here. Now it's true that when you came on you were just supposed to be just a one segment guests with her. But you stay the whole show. I stayed the whole show man. Why not? And they came back the next day, then came back, Cam came back the next. I could let Michael get all the south flowing. I had to come and get me some, some airtime to me. 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Eye On the Enemy #13: Important NFC East Moves & Howie Thoughts

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Eye On the Enemy #13: Important NFC East Moves & Howie Thoughts

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I'm going to give you us some thoughts about Some things Howie Roseman said to reporters on a conference call specifically about what they're doing with the wide receiving corps and it looks like the draft. We knew it was going to be big for the wide receivers. It looks like they're putting all their eggs in that basket as well as the basket that the team used last year which turned out to be the worst in the NFL. So we'll get into that coming up over the next few minutes but just a reminder to check out all of the latest shows we have on the bleeding green Asian podcast feed and ask you of course to rate and review the bleeding relation. Podcast feed and gives you a thoughts on everything we have going on here with the kissing solex show with BG and radio and all of the other fine shows that coming your way here As the Eagles are in the midst of what has been a very busy and at times head-scratching off season. So again. We'll get into some of the Howie Roseman stuff here in just a few minutes but first let's go around the division and let's take a look at what some of the other teams have been doing since the off season began We'll start with the Dallas cowboys and the cowboys. Main goal as the off season was getting started was to try and keep as many of their own free agents as possible. They had a slew of very talented free agents who are going to be hitting the market. Some of them left. Of course the team obviously did not sign Byron Jones. He instead signed a mega deal with the Miami Dolphins The cowboys also have lost defensive. End Robert Quinn. He departed for the Chicago bears. So a couple of big names have left Dallas. Here this offseason. They did resign. Amari Cooper to a one hundred million dollar deal and I think that once the off season got underway. It seemed as though that was the most likely scenario that you know the Dallas cowboys invested those first round picks in Amari Cooper. He's been productive with them last year. It was kind of up and down again. The home road splits or something we talked to. Rj Showa about for blogging. The Boys Dot Com something Amari Cooper addressed earlier this off season He was basically saying. I wasn't targeted as much on the road as I was an home Ne. Nevertheless Amari Cooper is a number one wide receiver. He was the top wide receiver on the free agent market. It's unusual that a player is with a team for a couple of years is allowed to hit the open market. And then resigns with that team especially for the kind of money that Amari Cooper signed for you would have thought that Dallas would have been able to lock him up before he ever hit free agency. But at the end of the day Amari Cooper I think wanted to stay in Dallas. He wanted to be a cowboy. The cowboys obviously know that they need him. 'cause without Amari Cooper they've already lost Randall. Cobb THEY. They're wide. Receiving Corps would have been absolutely decimated and Dak Prescott Monitor. Who throwing the football to at this point. Is You know Gallup. Nuts about it so They had to bring Amari Cooper back. Especially when you consider how much trade or draft capital. They gave up to get him in the first place. Now one hundred million dollars it. That's a that's a big contract a lot of that's guaranteed and again. He's not a guy who you would consider one of the top five wide receivers in the NFL. He's probably top ten. Maybe not without doing without running down the list. I mean it's it's interesting. He's being paid like one of the very best wide receivers and football and any is but a lot of this comes down to you know when you become a free agent. What is the rest of your free agent class? Look like and there were some other good names out there. But Amari Cooper was definitely at the top of the list and so he resigns with the Dallas Cowboys. The cowboys absolutely had to make that happen. The cowboys also assign the franchise tag to Dak Prescott. And they are continuing to work on a long term deal but man this is starting to feel more and more like the kirk cousins situation of a couple years ago with Washington where they just kept saying that when they signed him to a franchise tag but it was clear that they didn't believe that he was the franchise quarterback moving forward. They didn't want to give him the big commitment in terms of dollars in years and Dak Prescott is looking to be the highest paid quarterback in football. He's not the best quarterback in football. He's not a top five quarterback in football. Maybe again maybe. He's a top ten quarterback and he should be paid like that. But you're going to give him more money than Carson Wentz really. I mean that's what they're gonNA have to do. And we've talked about it on the podcast. I don't know that the cowboys have a choice. Especially now that. They've locked him up under the franchise tag for this year. I just you know his his prices not going to go down unless he has a bad season. And if he has a bad season you're not gonNA want to sign him to a long term deal anyway so they are in a tricky situation in a tricky spot here with Dak Prescott where things are setting up that this could be his last year in Dallas. Now again they are still talking about a long term deal. They're still talking about a multi deal and they can agree to that deal at any time. Whatever it is. They've they've reassembled the Dak Prescott to Amari Cooper connection at work really really well in two thousand eighteen. It was definitely more up and down in two thousand nineteen. So we'll see how the cowboys make do with Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper and whether or not they extend deck as well because they've got a lot of money tied up in a lot of different players to is not a ton of money to go around but they've got to leave room and they've they've left some room for a Dak Prescott Extension The Dallas cowboys also signed former all pro defensive. Tackle Gerald McCoy to replace Millie Collins. Gerald McCoy has at least five sacks in eight straight seasons. So He's a disruptive pass rushing force in the middle of the defensive line is going to get twenty million dollars over three seasons so McCoy joining the middle of the Dallas Defensive Line to replace me Collins makes a lot of sense they had to get a a a force in the middle to try and things to try to. You know attack an opponent's middle of the offensive. Line there centering. Guards and getting all pro defensive. Tackle Gerald McCoy to do. That was a good move by. Dallas and with Byron Jones. Leaving the team brought back Anthony Brown to a three year. Fifteen and a half million dollar deal to be their slot corner and also signed former ravens and jets cornerback Maurice Kennedy Twenty five years old He's not a household name but he's one of those young guys who has played better than most people think and a guy. A lot of people believe could be ready to to make a leap. He was the twentieth raided. Cornerback by pro football focus last year so the numbers on him the analytics on him look pretty good and it looks like the. Dallas cowboys are going to try and use those two guys Anthony Brown and Maurice Kennedy to replace Byron Jones in some way. It's GonNa be hard to replace that kind of production But that's the route that the cowboys are going to try and make that happen. And one of the more underrated moves. Usa Today called this one of the best value. Signings of the off season was that they signed safety ha ha Clinton Dix to a one year four million dollar deal at now Clinton Dix has not been terribly productive these last couple of years. He hasn't been a great safety. These last couple of years but he still a decent player and on a one year. Four MILLION DOLLAR DEAL. That is certainly worth the price When you're when you're bringing him in I would have liked to have seen the eagles maybe go out and bring in ha ha Clinton dix on a one year four million dollar deal but the Dallas cowboys went and snapped him up. And so he's GonNa be in their defensive backfield so the Cowboys Defensive Backfield is GonNa look a little bit different in two thousand twenty and moving forward with Anthony Brown and Maurice Kennedy back there and ha ha Clinton Dix coming aboard. Three new editions To The Dallas Cowboys. I know I gave you six moves there but I I kind of combine the Anthony Brown and Marie Kennedy move because they were replacing Byron Jones with a couple of different players there so those are the five moves for the Dallas cowboys that I think are the most impactful Amari Cooper Dak Prescott. Gerald McCoy The combination of Anthony Brown and Maurice Kennedy and bringing aboard Ha Ha Clinton dix. All right moving along to the Washington redskins and the team lost quarterback Quinton Dunbar They traded him away for a fifth round draft. Pick This coming off season so not a not a great value When in terms of getting rid of Quinton Dunbar but Dunbar had said he didn't want to be with the team he wanted to be traded and so Washington made that happen. The most impactful move that Washington has made so far. This off season is keeping one of their own They placed the franchise tag on Offensive Guard Brandon. Sheriff WHO's one of the best in the business? Everybody solve this move coming. This is something Washington absolutely had to do given the fact that They are They are going to be losing. Trent Williams Trent Williams not gonNA come back with the team Trying to trade Trent Williams right now but the latest is that they appear to be holding out for a second round pick or at least a combination of picks that equate to second round value. They are saying they're not just going to give him away and want that second round value for the for for Williams and Williams wants to be paid like one of the top Lineman in the game Despite missing all of last year in a dispute with the team and despite the fact he's getting a little bit older so this is not an easy needle to thread. You've gotta find you've gotTa find a team that's willing to give up a second round pick and a team. That's willing to pay Williams what he wants. And the team is Williams team has given Williams permission to seek a trade. And that's what he and his agent doing and there's a lot of accusations going back and forth between the two Williams's complaining that the team is holding up the deal because they want too much and Washington is saying we don't want too much wants second round value for him but you know we're not gonNa just give him away and I think second round value is appropriate if that's indeed what Washington is looking for. And they're going to trade. Trent Williams should get a second round pick forum or at least a combination of picks that would or up or a combination of picks and player that would equate second round value. So that Trent Williams situation continues to be a thorn in the side of the Washington redskins the number to move. The Washington redskins made this off season. I think as impactful as they signed Kendall Fuller who they initially had and traded away to Kansas City in the Alex Smith trade they brought Kendall Fuller back on a four year. Forty million dollar deal and he's GonNa play quarterback and will play a little free safety. Depending on the type of defense team is in at the time Ron Rivera of course The team's new head coach has been focusing on defense here. So far this off season Kendall Fuller is a nice player. It's not a huge deal. It's not a huge contract He provides them a lot of flexibility. He's a guy who can go back and forth between cornerback free safety. He's not an elite player. He's not an elite cornerback Byron Jones or anything like that. But he's a solid player in the team obviously has wanted to. They didn't obviously never want give him away. In the Alex Smith Trade and now had the opportunity to bring him back into the fold and he is back in Washington. Impact move number. Three Washington. Signed Falcons Guard West West Schweitzer to a three year. Thirteen point five million dollar deal. And this is part of the team's attempts to try to replace Eric Flowers along the offensive line. Schweitzer has started thirty six games since being drafted for Atlanta. He played mostly at left guard last year but also played plenty of right guard. He graded out slightly better on the left side of the offensive. Line's he's not a star. He's not a stud but he's a solid player kind of a a middle of the pack player So He's a guy that the that Washington is hoping gives them Some Some depth along the offensive line. A little bit of versatility along the offensive line. And he'll probably be in the starting lineup when you're signing three or thirteen point five million dollar deal you expect him to be your starting left guard or Right Guard in two thousand twenty. The team also signed running back. Jd mckissick to a two year. Three point two five million dollar deal and mckissick is I mean. The Washington has Adrian Peterson who they plan to bring back again next year. And they're also expecting to get Darius guys back and hopefully that kid can stay healthy because he's got a lot of talent. His problem has been staying on the field so JD mckissick was with the lions last year. He's mostly going to be the the speedy pass catcher out of the backfield so this means that and we all knew that Chris Thompson was going to be leaving the team in free agency. They're bringing him aboard to Basically give the team. That dynamic on offense said that guy out of the backfield who can catch a screen pass. Catcher swing pass. Who can who can run? Run the wheel route and and pick up a big gain for JD mckissick Coming to Washington on a two year. Three point two five million dollar deal and then the last move by Washington and they've made other moves the again. This is the these are the five. Most impactful moves the fifth. Most impactful move that I see from Washington so far this off season is signing offensive tackle Cornelius Lucas. To a two year. Five point three million dollar deal. This is a swing tackle. Who played for the bears last year again? Washington looking like they're going after guys on the offensive line who can play a couple of different positions who can be flexible. They're not star players. They're not studs they're not guys who are going to make the pro bowl or anything like that but They're looking for for competency along the offensive line and a little bit of flexibility flexibility and versatility. And so. That's what you get When you bring aboard Cornelius Lucas and and and West Schweitzer. And of course you resigned. Brandon Scherf to the franchise tag so they have focused on the offensive line. A lot here So far this off season now. What they need is they need to continue to go out and they need to to try and Find some other pieces To bring a board They've lost their backup quarterback Colt McCoy Who went to the New York giants? this off season and the giants of the team that we are going to take on next. The giants had a ton of cap space when the off season started here. Eighty million dollars. I'll say that again. Eighty million dollars in cap space for the New York giants so they figured to be big spenders and they have also spent most of that money on defense here. So far this off season they franchise tag defensive tackle Leonard Williams and this is the first time the giants have used the tag since Jason Pierre Paul back in Twenty fifteen and the team is still working on negotiating a long term deal with their stud defensive tackle but obviously bringing him back was was a no brainer for the giants. Even on even on the franchise tag so Leonard Williams. We'll be back in the fold for New York here in twenty twenty They were heavy on Byron Jones. As well as the eagles were was most people thought at the beginning of the off season that The giants or eagles would be the landing spot for Byron Jones because the giants need cornerback. Help in the worst way Maybe even in a worse way than the Eagles do. They did not get Byron Jones and so they went out and made another big move at cornerback and signed James Bradbury to a three year. Forty three point. Five million dollar deal that is that is a lot of money Most believed bradberry was the second best cornerback on the market after Byron Jones Bradbury's a great cover guy can stick with your best wide receiver. He's the guy who can really shut down. I mean He. He did great against Mike Evans last year when he played them twice holding him holding him down. He's a guy who can take on your number one wide receiver and do a a pretty darn good job shutting that guy down. He's not a very good tackler. But that's not what you pay him for. That's not what you pay cover corner for anyway So bradberry is going to be that guy on the outside that allows you to not have to worry about that side of the field. Most of the time and we'll we'll take on your team's number one wide receiver and just like the Eagles got with area. Sleigh hopefully shut that guy down for the entirety of the game. It's it's a big free agent move by the giants to lock in James Bradbury to a three year. Forty three point five million dollar deal. Another big move. The team made was at Middle Linebacker. Signing former Green Bay Packer Blake Martinez to a three year. Thirty point seven. Five million dollar deal Blake Martinez just twenty. Six years old. He had one hundred fifty. Five total tackles in two thousand nineteen. That was second most in the NFL and he's been a tackle machine throughout his NFL career. This is a guy who excels in the run game in the middle of the defense is a guy who can also blitz very well. He's not good in pass coverage He's a he's a pretty awful cover linebacker If you send your running back or your tight end at him he's not gonna be able to stay with them So what you're getting you're in Blake. Martinez is a downhill defender in the middle. But he's a smart player is a guy who can quarterback your defense and he should help with the run game and blitz packages for New York of guy that you can you know build around essentially because it because he is young. I mean just just twenty six years old. He's a guy who is extremely athletic. Tough physical player has been very productive for Green Bay over the last few years and of course just just just gets a just. A slew of tackles year after year after year. So I like that move. By by New York brings them a little bit of toughness in the middle of the Defense. They signed edge rusher cuyler. Fac role to a one year. Four point six million dollar deal and this is an interesting signing as well. He was not very productive last year with Green Bay. He didn't play very much. The Green Bay packers went out and made a couple of off season signings going into last season. In fact kind of got pushed off to the side and the The giants are hoping that he can recapture a little bit of the Mo Jo. He had back in two thousand eighteen when he had ten and a half sacks for the packers Now there's a link here new giants Defensive Coordinator Patrick. Graham was green. Bay's linebacker coach in two thousand eighteen this season in which factual had his career year. So they're hoping combining Patrick Graham Bringing factual aboard with Graham again on defense could basically That the giants could get another marcus. Golden type situation where you brought a guy in on the cheap a guy who has flashed in the past You bring them together with a former coach who he obviously did very well Playing four and maybe get another. Get another marcus golden type season where you get a double digit sack. Season out of nowhere from Guy Who you didn't have to pay a lot of money too so I like this as a value signing by the giants. I really like what the giants have done. This offseason they. They've made some very smart wise investments here and I I really like the cuyler factual addition on a one year. Four point six million dollar deal on a one year deal of that of that money. There's really no downside at all if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out you're out four and a half million dollars if that you know it depends on what you know what. The guaranteed money is but Is A guy you know. We hear from cuyler. The giants last year did a good job finding marcus golden and now. They're thinking if they can you know. Bring Cuyler back underneath defensive coordinator Patrick Graham. Maybe you get another season like he had in two thousand eighteen And then you know the rest of the moves. The giants have made this off. Season have been pretty small. I thought the most impactful of the other ones was signing offensive tackle Camp Fleming. Who Will Battle Nick Gates for the starting right tackle job but he can play anywhere along the line? He's kind of like a lesser vitae. Now many of you may be chuckling when you hear that. But Vitae was a very valuable guy. He obviously was valuable to the Detroit. Lions who signed him to a big money deal. Cam Fleming did not get anywhere close to that kind of money with the New York giants so obviously not seat not seen as not as sought after as a guy like by Thai was so But guy like Cam Fleming. He's a guy who can provide a lot of depth along the offensive line. He's going to. He's going to vie for a starting job. And if the giants decide to go out and invest and offensive tackle early in the draft and Fleming will basically be your first backup at a number of different positions and those valuable guys. You need guys like that. In order to succeed we saw that in two thousand seventeen with vita vitae in the eagles. When Jason Peters went down but over the years he's had to fill in on a lot of different roles and do a lot of different things and so that was. I thought a pretty impactful move that the giants made also hear this offseason. So that's your roundup of what the the three? Nfc teams have done so far. This off season Hopefully next week we'll be able to get back into our interviews and We'll talk to Won't talk to somebody about the New York giants and get a little bit more insight on what they've been doing here so far in free agency because I really like what the giants are doing. Giants are a team and that could be sneaky. Let next year. We know that the offense was starting to take off at the end of last season. They had some really good games. That looked like Daniel Jones was finding himself. He's got some weapons out there. If the defense is going to catch up this might be a team that could be like an eighteen. A seven and nine eight nate. Maybe even nine in seventeen next year. it really depends also on what they do in the draft but the giants are getting better man. The giants are getting. The giants are improving. Faster than Washington is improving at the moment. And so we'll follow up a little bit more on them next week as well. We'll take a quick break when we come back. I'll give you my thoughts on a news conference a teleconference that Howie Roseman held with reporters yesterday and some of the interesting things that he had to say. We'll do that next to your on eye on the enemy country. Crock is now making a dairy free plant based butter. That actually tastes like dairy butter. 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I just feel like the Eagles had a plan coming into the off season and the plan didn't go. According to the way they thought it was going to go. I really feel like the team. Was Targeting Byron Jones early in the off season and when they didn't get them had to pivot to plan B. And that kind of messed a lot of other things up. I think the team did not go after wide receiver aggressively early enough in the off season. Because they thought it would. They were all going to cost too much money and they wouldn't have enough money. After getting Byron Jones and then things went Byron Jones signed with the Dolphins. It feels to me like things went haywire because here as we sit and free agency period most of the top free agents are off the marketing especially at wide receiver. The Eagles have decided to completely let the wide receiver market. Go buy them. All the top guys are gone. De'andre Hopkins who they could've they tried to acquire in a trade is Gone Amari Cooper Gone Emmanuel Sanders Gone Robbie Anderson Gone Perryman. Who I really liked gone. I and Anderson and payments deals. Were not that expensive either. I had a number of people on twitter yelling at me for being upset about Perryman and and Anderson and look these guys were signed on one and two year deals for not a ton of money. I mean it's really not a ton of money no. The Eagles don't have a lot of cap space but they really needed to sign a free agent wide receiver. Here this off season and I know Perriman doesn't have a long track record of success. But he's never really had a good quarterback throwing him the ball and when he's gotten the chance to be an outside x receiver when he got that chance last year for Tampa. He was really good over the last month of the season. And so yeah. I'm all for investing money in a in a wide receiver. Who maybe his coming into his own a little bit and we'll see what he does with the New York jets. Let me know that. That's going to be You know I know that. That's going to be watched closely. But I I would have given Paran type deal get a one year deal. I mean what are we talking about here? You're not you're not investing future in Perryman on a one year deal. I just don't know how the Eagles weren't in on that. I don't know how the eagles weren't in on Robbie Anderson Part of it might be that the team really does believe in the receivers they already have in. Roseman essentially says much talking to reporters. He said they value the wide receivers in their wide receiver. More than the outside world does well. Obviously you know it certainly sounded from his phone call like it appears. The team mis read the wide receiver market. He's he. He explained that they you know they have all this information. Now that hindsight is twenty twenty and that the value and the price of some of these guys changed a lot during the off season. Well I mean but how do you stay up on that if the value changing? How are you not keeping tabs on that and seeing the value? Changing aren't you? I mean if you're if you're in the process the hallway and if you're going along with the process the hallway do you not know that the prices changing are you not being kept aware of the fact that the prices changing? It's it almost. Sounds like they checked in on these guys at the start of the off season heard the price and said no that's not for us and just decided to move on into other things. Maybe that's maybe that's going to end up being the wise choice but I really don't get it. I felt like this team needed to add a wide receiver in the draft and they needed to add a wide receiver in free agency. And they're not gonna you know and if they add a wide receiver now in free agency. It's not going to be an impressive player. It's not going to be one of the speed. Guys that were available. Roseman said that they didn't get a chance to make a better offer for De'andre Hopkins than the one that eventually landed the stud receiver In Arizona because Arizona's draft picks were better than the eagles draft pick so Houston just decided to go ahead and do that deal that there was no deal. The Eagles could make other than giving a first round. Pick which they weren't GonNa do for Andre Hopkins And and just decided to pull the trigger with with Arizona. The thing that maybe concerns me most is that Roseman said the team is excited about the guys who are returning from injury. Such as all Sean Sean and are excited about the young guys making the leap talking about J. Whiteside. Now here's the thing with. Jj ETHICA whiteside. I know that he wasn't good last year. He was a disaster last year. And how he roseman said he had been battling with a lower body injury the entire season as since the start of Training Camp. Whatever maybe he was whatever then you know then you set them down or figure out something else to do with him. Wisey playing much. I mean I know you. You had injuries but then you use your practice squad guys which again they should have done earlier in the season anyway. They invested a second round. Pick in our data whiteside last year. If you ever WanNa get any kind of value recouped from that second round pick. I guess you've got to try and work him into the into the rotation this year. You've got to try and find a way to use him this year in a way that works and makes sense. Otherwise you've just completely thrown away a second round draft pick after one season like I get it. I don't like trusting. Jj Ethical whiteside to bounce. Back because I'm not sure he can. I'm not sure he's got the skills very few wide. Receivers as G has noted have had the type of rookie season that Jay jaw had last year and have come back to be a productive player. So they are really optimistic on him. Making a big improvement improvement from year one to year two. We'll see if that happens. The other thing with the injury to Sean. We were all assuming that the team was going to get rid of all sean because of the perceived locker room issues. That were going on with all Schon Jeffrey Jesse Anderson thing. It does not sound like this team is moving on from all Jeffrey this off season. It does not sound like that. They are going to be getting rid of all Sean Jeffrey this off season so I just don't understand what on earth makes roseman think any of these things are going to happen. That all SEAN IS. GonNa come back from injury and be good again all of a sudden and that. Jj are thicker whiteside. They're hoping that he makes the leap. I just don't know that you can go into the twenty twenty season with that as the plan. You can hope that it works. But how do you go into the season with that? As the plan and Roseman referred to all Sean Jeffrey as quote the elephant in the room and explain the. Jeffrey knows what's being said about him. Knows that he needs to get healthy and that he's eager to comeback stronger while I hope he's also eager to we know I'm going to. I'm going to hold off on on what I was. Just GonNa say that we don't aside from Howard askins reporting which I don't have any reason to doubt. We don't know that all Jeffrey was the problem in the locker room last year. We just don't but he didn't look like a good player last year. I'm sorry he didn't he would not the number one receiver that he used to be. He that that play in Minnesota where he just drifts out of bounds like an eighteen wheeler that's being pushed off the side of the road by a heavy wind. Drove me absolutely crazy. Drops last year an inability to stay on the field. The team got better when he wasn't on the field last season. Which isn't which has not been the case throughout his eagles career. All Sean Jeffrey went healthy has been very productive player. Can you come back from injury? He's getting older he's under. He's in his cap. Number is so big next year. That probably is the biggest reason. Why Howie Roseman is deciding to hold onto him and you know. Hey listen maybe a trade still happens but I doubt it doesn't look like it at this point. Maybe there's a a wide receivers starved team. That's looking for a a big target that they can throw the football too. That's what they're going to get. But I I think the trade aspect is out the window and it sure doesn't sound like the team is going to release all Sean Jeffrey. Especially after they let the Free Agent Wide Receiver Market. Go by so. This has me very nervous. I'm not at all happy with the team's planet wide receiver. I think once again they are overvaluing their own players and I just can't believe they're not they're gonNA bring Alshon Jeffrey back. I really can't. I cannot believe they're going to bring all Sean Jeffrey back. But it certainly looks like that's the road we are headed down. I think it's a mistake to bring all Sean Jeffrey back. I think I think the team played better. When he wasn't in there. His body language last year was awful. His attitude last year appeared to be less than stellar. If you WANNA make that Carson Wentz his locker room. I'm not sure if all Sean Jeffrey was the leaker was the guy who was talking to Justin Anderson. I don't know how keeping him around makes makes that Carson Wentz his locker room. It's going to be a very interesting situation. I think the team made a big mistake. Not going out. And getting somebody like Ravi Anderson or shot Perryman and moving on from Sean Jeffrey. I think it's also pretty clear. Now the team is gonNA spend their first round pick on a speed receiver which they still desperately need. That was the most important thing to get. This off. Season was a speed receiver. And they have to do it in the draft. Now if you want someone that's more of a sure thing I think. Now they may be half to move up in the draft to go get a stud wide receiver a stud speed wide receiver. That you that you feel can be a starter for you right from the start of the season not a guy. You'RE GONNA develop not a guy that you hope can work way into the starting lineup at some point late in the season. I think you need to go get a stud and I don't know how much capital you have to give up to in order to move up I mean. Hopefully they only have to move up three or four spots to get a guy like that a lot of the teams that needed wide receivers and thought you thought we're gonNA spend a first round pick on them when out into free agency and got a wide receiver just like the cardinals with the Andre Hopkins. So he's probably they're probably not going to go get a wide receiver in the first round. Some of those moves helped the eagles out a little bit. So I'm much more open to them. Trading up however and getting the guy they want. If that's Jerry Judy or I mean. Cd LAMB is probably going to be way way gone by the time. The Eagles are even anywhere. Close to drafting But also talking about guys like Henry rugs or one of the speed receivers that the team desperately desperately needs In in order to make this offense go next season We're also not sure really. What the defensive backfield is going to look like next year? We know that Darius slay we'll cover the team's number one wide receiver but Howie Roseman talked. About what the rest of the defensive backfield is GonNa look like and he indicated the team's GonNa play more man demand next year which makes a lot of sense given the fact that you have sleigh and you can move him and have him jump around the field covering the team's number one wide receiver the other team's number one wide receiver. Looks like Dante? Maddox is going to be the number. Two corner according to Roseman. He said he's happy with Maddox as the number two corner playing on the outside. Despite the fact that Maddox is a little undersized He didn't deny the trade rumors out there that they are looking to move or sue. Douglas Some rumors have been going around about him going to a couple of different places. But I think it's more likely to team will just cut him. At some point here this offseason residual is a nice player. He's a nice little player but he's probably GonNa make like two million dollars this year and for a guy who has not gonna be your number three cornerback or maybe even your number. Four cornerback is just no spot on the roster for him at this point so the teams trying to find a trade partner for him but more than likely result will just get released at some point in the near future. All of these moves is a big boost. Sidney Jones who had made some nice place at the end of last year Roseman is excited about him. Being able to spend the off season just working on football working on getting his body ready for football and not re habbing injuries or getting over different injuries and he he continues to say again. Sidney Jones is a former second round pick. Which is why. I don't think they're gonNA give up on Jayjay Ortega whiteside anytime soon. Sidney Jones and J jaw are very similar type guys. Second round picks you invested a lot in. You had a lot of hoping. And they are really sticking with Sidney Jones and they believe Roseman said that he has the skill set. When he's healthy and now he just has to go prove it will yeah. That's all part of it. You gotta you gotTa show that you can play for sure and Sidney. Jones hasn't proven that he can play. My guess is he starts this season as the number four. Cornerback you probably have crave on the blog as your number three corner Sidney Jones as your number four Jalen Mills is going to be your safety We'll parks works his way in there at in in different ways as well. So you're GonNa have you know it could be like? I've heard set an Amoeba like a defensive backfield where you know what we're sleigh is going to be and then after that you're kind of mixing and matching and moving different guys around and resigned. Rodney McLeod as well back there. So you've got different options you've got different things. You can do As we as we've seen last couple years a how Jim Schwartz uses. His Defensive Backfield is always a little bit of a controversial topic and never quite sure exactly what he's doing back there but He did get one stud in the Darius slay trade and sometimes that can make all the difference in the world of course. Losing Malcolm Jenkins is a huge blow. You lose your quarterback back there. Roseman said one of the main reasons they went and reassigned. Rodney McLeod is because he provides that leadership in the defensive backfield that They'RE GONNA lose with Malcolm Jenkins and you would also hope that Jalen mills can provide that leadership back there as well. You hope the Jalen Mills can play safety. I mean that's that's the bottom line here. You hope he's a good safety and I'm not sure jalen mills is going to be a good safety. I mean it's it's up in the air. It's there's a lot of things. Eagles are hoping go right Hope as a tactic is Seems to be the theme of the offseason here for the eagles. So the bottom line hereafter Roseman call. Was it really feels to rose overvaluing his own players again. Something he said he knew as a weakness of his I also think he misread the wide receiver market at the beginning of the off season And thought they would all cost too much money instead. Decided to spend that money on sleigh and Jason Hargrave early in the off season. Now here we are with the Eagles having invested a lot in their defense and still in need desperate need of that speed wide receiver which they're going to have to make sure that they get in the first round of the draft. Could you get you know? Try and get a cage. Hamblur in the second round as your speed guy you could. I would feel better about them. Going out and trying to move up and get one of the studs in the first round that you think can be a star for you and I don't know what it's GonNa take to move up and get them again. 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At the Podium: Roseman & Weidl Pre-Draft Presser

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At the Podium: Roseman & Weidl Pre-Draft Presser

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis. The host of the PHILLIES pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred and sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. You could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcasts including the award winning dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze Rozier. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast APP. The Eagles are at the podium. We have it covered here for you. Thanks to the find vote at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host Michael Kissed. Follow me on twitter at Michael Kissed. Nfl THAT'S K. I S. T. And today we had the annual pre-draft press conference with Howie Roseman. And his right hand. Man Any YTL. Who is the assistant director of player personnel now? This of course wasn't a traditional press conference taking at a podium for obvious reasons this was done remotely via video conferencing so the audio might not be as clean as usual. But I've done my best to clean it up. They're also going be talking about the predrag process where they stand right now their philosophy so there's a ton of good nuggets in there remember subscribe to the Bgn Feed and follow at BG underscore radio to get notified when all these shows are dropping as you're about to get a flurry of them in the draft. Hits what you'll have is. You'll get our usual lineup of shows right the week here but during the draft. There's also going to be some instant reaction shows for each pick so you're going to get a short reaction show and that'll be a combination of people probably are just made. Were still figuring that out and then you're also going to have later on a more fully fleshed out. Show delving into that. Specific selection. Were also planning to stream live on instagram. During the first two nights of the draft. So you'll get to join me. Brennan League outten and Shaimaa clancy as we react to everything as goes down for that. You'RE GONNA WANNA be subscribed to bleed green instead on instagram. Or you can always just click the link when we drop it on the twitter timeline. All right let's get to Howie Roseman any wiles pre-draft chat with the media right now. Everyone in their families doing what? I'll thanks for taking the time today before we start. I just WanNa atop a little bit about the fact that we lost three legends this past week Eagles. Legends thoughts are with their families. See Timmy Brown You know I know that everyone here is trying to stay calm and stay focus. I think it's important. Also that we recognize those people Obviously the Eagles family is thinking of them in their families. I want to thank all the individual could people in the organization who are doing so many great things in our community right now in a really for us. It's inspirational starts with our owner. Jeffrey Lurie that stuff that he's doing the donation that he may round the league. It's really incredible and I think in the next week we're going to use this opportunity in the form of the draft. Do some things that contribute to that and recognize the people that are doing things and working at this time when all of us to be able to be draft perhaps oh I just wanted to make sure that we recognize those people next Thursday. Friday Saturday is a great opportunity for us to do that. Really appreciative of a staff that we have with. The Eagles are coaches. Obviously are scouts. Everyone in the front off. It's the it me. Dave unbelievable really. Just these people come together. It's amazing when again in a moment like this to see how everyone react so Just wanted to thank them for their help. Okay we'll open it up to questions start with David Garrow then. We'll go to Paul dommage. Go ahead yourself. You guys I guess this is a question for both of you with how unique this draft is. When next Thursday night happens how will specifically work the lines of communication? And how many times are you going to run through it over the next week to make sure you have it right? Well All star Microsoft teams has been godsend for us. It it's been really incredible the amount of communication that we've had over it a how it's functioning how it's working in so we'll have different rooms of big group small coaches obviously. Jeffrey coach Peterson and As we get closer to it we'll have the same people do a lot of same things that they've done. You know Anthony Patch really for the last twenty years has been the guy on the phone telling us about in front of us and then Helping US figure out how much time left he'll be doing that. The person who makes the trade all will still be doing that with the League. So we're trying to keep it as possible on the communication level as good as many. You Guys GonNa run through scenarios for the day while a lot of opportunities to do that in. I think publicly reported that the league will have a mock draft up on day. Two run fruit as well So what will make its trades? Okay we'll go to domino and then to Mike K for both Howie. 'n Andy of another major focus supposed people is on the first and second rounds of this draft but you guys have four of your a picks in a forty forty three pick span there right now between one. Oh three and one forty. Six in the third. And fourth rounds. However you approach stats strategically Is it a good place to have multiple picks this year and and and at what positions Andy? Those regret we. We have picks in in those eight. Pixar aid opportunities. We look at We're excited third. Round Fourth Round second round fifth round. We feel there's players on every level the draft in we stack the board such so. We're excited Each pick in each opportunity that we're going to have Mike and then we'll go to a firm. Howie given the insurgents regarding next year's football season draft class. How will you way? Next year's draft picks central trades and potential deals down the road no different than a draft. You know we always valued the present and future. That's our responsibility to make sure that we're competing. Not only this year but going forward especially in we talk about quarterback was twenty seven years old so I think it all depends on the opportunity all ends on the value saw a couple years ago picking thirty two and we will drop down and get a future around so we'll weigh all those opportunities as they come for us. We'll go zach unless Allie when you spoke to us at the combine. You were reluctant to really talk about the death of the wide receiver class before you had all the information. Now that you have that how would you characterize this class? And how deep into the class do you think it goes where you can find quality receivers well Fool me one shame on you will be twice. Shame amazed at how the saying goes We've been in this situation a couple of times with a strong classes in at. It's come back to bite me off about itself. I would just say you know what we're doing is we're trying to stack the board based on the player Obviously there's some positions that had more depth than others. I know a lot of other people have had the opportunity to talk about a specific -sition in that class. But we don't WANNA get ahead of ourselves and say just because there's received -sition of strength that that's where we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA choose from. Can we'll go less than Martin? Frank I'd like to ask this to both of you The wide receiver position which we were just talking about. Why is it so difficult to evaluate? I've seen statistics that inspite up there with quarterback in terms of first round. Mrs Guys that don't work out what goes into that. And Howie in your history with the team looking back on guys wide receivers. Who didn't come everything you had hoped? What can you see there? Is there a common thread? Is there something you've learned about that over the years the first part of that shore? You know it's time will tell with this draft class as with each class But it's an exciting class. There's different flavors. Obviously different types of receivers and there's plenty of them in this draft in in every level so We're excited Our Scouts have done a great job. Getting these players sacking the board around meetings odds week with our coaches and everybody had a chance to voice their opinion and You know we're excited about the strength. The depth in level players that are in this draft at the receiver position. But what is a scout part about that about that position? It's case by case. I think he's getting to know the players and I and I think it's just watching the guy what you see the vision of the player. There's a lot of things that come into play Receivers as at any position in this business. I think also you know we talk about the receiver position. What was going on ten years ago and where these raised and how their grooms at the high school level and the advent of seven on seven camp so now these guys if earnings in the passing game so I don't know that in a what was going on in two thousand ten is the same for evaluating a position now but obviously coverages are different in the national football league the quality of the blaze different. And you got his college Able Schema opportunities and moving guys around because in College. Football is obviously not the same level play in the secondary that you haven't Bali. I think sometimes that's been the arbiter allegation that asked that you know you don't take for granted now in terms of Austin and what we've done we gotta look at that. We got a look at the guy we brought in and the reasons they they're brought in The guys had success. Who Haven't talked about it at some point this off season about the fact that you know surprising to us just going back in and how much dying reduction about some of the success that some guys last year head coming into the NFL and at being a productive right away so we gotta look at that stuff we gotta learn from it and make sure that we're doing whatever we can to add. Talent to our team can Martin and then Jimmy Kemp's hey a halley Andy. How's IT GOING I wanted to ask you. Guys obviously made the trade for dairy slain. You gave up to revere. Ten draft picks. Does that make you more or less reluctant to make another deal Especially like in the first round. If we feel there's so many really WANNA have to move up up for dealer so I think that you know we when we look at at that draft that trade in value that trade based on the other option to us that was their free agency. How much we're going to have to spend the first few years of that deal. And then what we can get a with the money that we kinda save and was that worth the value of draft vets. And I think when we look at whether we're moving up in any round first round second round third round in the fourth round. I think we just kind of look at the value of the player where the war drops off. If we see a big gap and there's a big drop off them will look at that. If we feel like as a group of guys really like elegant choose from them will probably stay but or move back. You know I look at it kind of A. I remember two thousand when we traded off for Brandon Graham and we move back in the second round and against Myrtle expects of. You know there's ways to do that. A. There's different ways at kind of go through this draft process and we'll be ready for all those opportunities. Okay Jimmy and then Ruben a having pets you said that wide receivers take more time to acclimate to the pro level in other positions. You take a year or two before. They should be expected to become starting level players with the success that some rookie receivers have had around the League for the last few years has that philosophy changed anyway. And you feel that there are receivers in this upcoming draft. Who can be immediate key contributors? Yeah the first part of that. Probably go back to my answer to less and talk about how the wide receiver has been groomed in how it's played out In High School and college football high school offenses are changing. And so these guys are coming to college. College offenses has changed. In the advent of out opulent passing game is and spread formations and getting on the field earlier getting more experienced than come into the NFL. I'm more prepared so I think it has changed in in terms of guys ready. I'm in a great France off about a little bit is it's just the piggyback on that. It's become face game. He needs to begin. Become a game a match ups spreading people out in receivers that can win on all three levels early. Top of the route in in Gaza can stretch the field. So among it's just it's it's become a one on one league in a in a space game in Gaza can win in guys that can go bubble ring play football. It's really evolved into that. I believe it Ruben. Then Clinton or we could just go to mclane ribbons not ready abair Amir got. Has Everybody doing how you talked a lot about? How Two Thousand Fifteen Shaped you in everything. You've learned that year and I was just wondering how that experience kind of manifest itself in draft day with you you talked about your communication and everything in collaborative and working with just wondering how that all kind of translates to what happens in the draft room As far as just the way you go about your business on draft day. Yeah I think that when I look back at. Mit Time Jammed Fro League. They're also different regimes you know obviously started out with Gotree and Joe and that staff and And then coach Kelly and how that worked so it's always been kind of a different environment in atmosphere and then I'm back in Peterson. The staff we have now You know I think that. It's kind of reliance People here everyone's voice and I'm trying to collaborative but at the same time also making sure that we're doing what's right for the team and having the kind of vision big provisions because this allow from us but we're not just trying to collect town trying to build a team and we're trying to figure out with the resources of what makes the most sense what we read and see what we can get an inflatable Grafting wearing strong words week and I think that that year was great. Take a step back and look at some of the things and one of the things that I thought was really was was the regrets in regrets about maybe trying to win as opposed to end the best player Philadelphia Eagles and so for US stats. That's what it's all about. It's not about the next day in the draft grades that were getting about adding the right players right. Fits for the Philadelphia Eagles for the short term. It and most importantly longer could Jeff McManus. How we've we've asked you before about Carson Wentz his involvement in draft prospects. He's knows players you've worked with them before and we've seen that play out with certain players but this is the first draft that you guys have had since he signed a contract extension and we've heard so much about you guys wanting to bringing guy guys he can he can grow with Does this voice is voiced any louder Obviously it's a little hard. 'cause you're not seeing them all the time but what kind of Input will he have into this year's dress and you know Carson announced got his hands full? He's expecting a baby any day. Now and You know for us. We want to communicate with our players. Parsons a huge part of it and enable sit down with him after the seat and talk about our vision Keep in touch and make sure that you don't pay in his The fire already in the past. He advocated workout with some guys. But obviously with social distancing and everything It's not the same way Anytime we can get valuable information for many of our players about guys. I know guys aren't up. It's important because you know it's dating before you married so you don't really know anyone until you're building unless that experience tim at then John mccollum our thoughts in the past about how you see the first round in terms of how many guys you have first round grades on and how breaks down in tears How do you see this class in that respect? Yeah there's certainly drop off in every draft. It's very unusual to sit there and say you've got thirty two first round grades guys. It's just not realistic in and so for us you know it is the opportunity to get a young difference maker a and so we have off on guys on the board where we think town love drops off and where mystic that will be able to get someone who will do a great job for our football team to make an impact not only next year with a go ahead. John and then John Clark Hi guys are for both of you. Howie you kind of mentioned about this process being like getting married Getting prospects into the building with the current uncertainty. You don't know when that's happened happen. How has it affected your about through this whole process for you? But I'd say in any can step in whatever I'd say that is credit to our. Our scouts are coaches. Everyone in the building. Who's really taken this on? No these guys as well as I can. I'm sure there are a lot of players in this draft. Were tired of seeing two one. Five numbers come on their phone at at these conversations because guys are taking it as their responsibility whether it's scouts whether it's coaches to make sure that they know everything about these guys to make sure that they're getting their work done to know as much as they know it if the atom person so that's just a credit to our staff and the job are doing live by Andy Touch on even more are scouts were first ones in the fall of the ground troops. They go into the schools. Get the information on the players in through the processes begin to the All Star Games We spent time with with each player. We do individual interviews. And sometimes we do group Interviews Informal Interviews Senior Bowl. Fifteen or sixteen guys and then. We had the forty five at the combine this year. And you just take all that information that you have everybody's in the same boat in tort to a credit of our staff has been aggressive in creative the video chats in spending much time with the players as we can in in doing the best job possible so we. We've done a really good job in getting these players we feel in there were treated for next report. Jon Clarke then Kristin Rogers. Good morning guys question for both of you without not being able to have that looks player in the eye contact after the combine and maybe get that gut sense so if there's any medical issues or character issues how much you GonNa Wrestle. Maybe making a safe pick in this environment versus you really maybe could get a talent and the value above maybe that spot that you're picking any other. I think he take all the information you have and you make the best decision. He can on on each player on each individual case in. That's that's what we've done in the in this entire process the film evaluations. Y'All start valuations to combine evaluation meeting with the players. And we had the opportunity or do the best you can empty any trust your instinct and your judgment in the on the take all that information and data and you make the best decision possible kristen and then bogeyed. Good Morning. Howie Andy how he this is for you. We're all making right now during this time of cope in nineteen from just doing this over zoom right now to how the draft is going to be conducted. Can you appreciate the fact that we've been having draft right now? And having that sense of normalcy for fans out there I know I speak for anyone. I say we feel very fortunate that we've been able to put our head down really focused on our jobs and I know that that's not the one for everyone in so you know We WanNa make sure that were. Were doing the right thing as we go through this period of time. And and this distraction and hopefully provide a welcome distraction for our fans and not one of the things that I was talking about when he opened this station. We have some ideas here to utilize this platform to you a really take advantage of next week and I already see you know Jeffrey's done in tapping our area with all in challenge and what we're air. Um I just may bid for that opportunity to make our golf coach Peterson and I think that at the end of the day you know it's just We don't take that lightly. We don't take that lightly that we'd have this opportunity to really put our head down in. We're going to try and make a difference for our football team and give our fans something to be real excited about as we get into the fall baseball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week. Along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Strunk. All the ways the phillies have hurt us on our podcast hidden as well as historical anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribed to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and Stat Stat stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at US do bow. And then Nick Fiero guys. I wonder if you could just both tell us exactly what your Home Office setups are like? And what they're going to be like during the draft where you are on your house and like what what you have there again so unfortunately I have a Home Office About two years ago at tone. Who heads are video group? He came out and he outfitted. It was my my care He gave me all all the bells and whistles saw wash taste so I can assist so I had all the resources at my disposal and he did that because there were times that we've been the off-season related night. I wouldn't have everything I need it and you know. There's really no excuses for our celebrate. It's it's incredible it's a great tribute to our staff to put us in a position that it's really been seamless as we talk about graph that I know some some GM Some people that I'm friends with have have given people an opportunity to see it which I'll do here at all the bells and whistles that we would have there. There's really Obviously we have a state of the art bathroom in amazing draft. Will Miss will miss the contact you know one of my things as Andy knows is before. Start the draft. I go around and Fist-bump forever graft after we make pace. You know having that that clapping in everyone's excited in watching the highlights together. We're GONNA try to do that. We're GONNA try to have those things that we have there and have those opportunities and again we're not making a case for this. There's people dealing with a lot worse than we're dealing with and We feel fortunate football next week. Talk my office is on the first floor of our house here and I'm actually taking my wife uses for her business in. I've overtaken use it for this out of the month foreseeable future But it's the same thing Pat Dolan. It Department Video Anthony Cozy. They've been absolutely rockstars. And this has a seamless tradition. We've been efficiently battle to get work. Done the connectivity. We felt as as one With our group last week thirty people plus on the calls dot standing It was it was a great transition in We've been very efficient very fortunate in like I said we got a chance to bring some excitement in some hope and hopefully make our fans proud with the work. We're going to do next weekend. Are you guys GonNa have to have fun? Over three day period. I got to sequester. The kids It. It's an issue you know it's funny. I told Andy this I got I got on a chat with a bunch of other. Gm's as our kids get an opportunity. Go to these meetings these league meetings and they all hang out together and they grow up together real special and we're trying to figure out stuff to keep them busy during the draft so that normally I'll get text messages from my boy About stuff that's going on bay attention to them Now now the knocking on the door. We're going to have to make sure we give them things to do here. Keep them busy. I think. Different dynamic After we got some fishing coaches that are doing the same thing. So all on that case we'll go neck and then Jeff's diversity. Hi guys discussing. Both of you is kind of a two parter. I it's been suggested I think that steelers the steelers. Gm Kevin Colbert was hoping to maybe get this. Draft extended the ten rounds. Just because what you're facing this year Wanted to know what your thoughts were on that. And also how that might impact is obviously not going to be ten routes going to be seven but you think that the I want to know what your thoughts are going to be on kind of like the mad rush for the undrafted. Free agents are a after the draft. You know maybe compared to other years I'll make sure a matching any questions over the league staffs. Oh my boy over here to stay out of trouble but I think that you know. Obviously those things are done on a higher level is with the Union and the CDC that. We're not involved with you know. Just just tell us the rules in what we gotTA DO. A movie ready to go and so That will where there's nothing that changed the environment you know after. The draft process is hectic. Save the least were altogether and so now we have this this situation where they're going to be people who are you know obviously handling certain positions on. Andy's group Jay Rosen and Bryce They're helping as well or on a group ALEC. They're helping as well. We just over to mediate because we certainly don't WanNa be a position where we're over-committing is. We're not communicating about the spots. So when he talked about mock drafts that Amok owes free agency period. So we understand how the communication it's GonNa work and we got a lot of action at scouts and coaches wandering players into the building. We also WanNa make sure that enemy. Ross spot taken Andy. It's just a lot of it's about relationships. In in connectivity in this business or scouts establishing relationships with the players as the all-star process we get to the combine the chance to spend some time with the player and now the video chats and the skype All those all those come into play in. It's about being a salesperson and it'd be a good recruiter in across the board. It's been a collective unbelievable effort as how he touched off from. Jake Rosenberg Alex or scouts. Everybody it's been all hands on deck in. It's been an admirable effort in worksite. In network side with the board stacked in La. We got a chance to really out of this team. We know the opportunity. That's GONNA come after after the draft after that last pick in the seventh rum it will go jeff. And then Bob grits. What's up guys? Thank you so much for doing this. We appreciate it. I wanted to ask you go if you can answer this question when you look at your roster right now at this point. How much do you feel the necessary? How necessarily think it is to address a position right now? Look at Jerusalem's or one or two positions you save yourself. We need to address right here right now for this upcoming season it. Just don't WanNa get into a situation where you force things Obviously human nature to see a whole on your roster or see position that you wanna upgrade and feel like you just GonNa to use this opportunity to do just that but one compound the problem by making. That doesn't really help and I think we've shown that After the draft they're going to be opportunities to improve our ball team whether may whether they're in August whether there during the season and so we don't look at this as the draft as the last stop For us to help our team for the season we look at it as just another opportunity to improve our town level this year and going forward so I don't I we've come out of it the last couple years and and you know it's easy for us to look at seventeen and we at two positions that we want to improve in the short term after their Athens. Seventeen et Tributary one organization. That we're able to do that during in a two thousand eighteen We used the trade deadline to do that. And then last year in we felt good about our roster and obviously injuries occurred than we used during the season as an opportunity to to get some guys that are just after Bring them up and help them through our Ostra. So we'll look at every avenue to do that. We don't want mean situation where we're forcing something it's next week. It's an opportunity in the one thing Businesses it can change quick and a position of strength position can turn into a position in the based on injuries or other mitigating factors. But so you just want to get the best players that fit our team in our cultures as how he stated in. That's what we're GONNA do in. That's what we're gonNA execute next week. We stack the board of such in. We've done a really good job hitting these players and I think as we move forward with the you're gonNA see hopefully see players we bring in here. That people are GonNa be proud both on the field off the field will go bob and then at `grats guys good morning question about You can have a mock draft the NFL To see how everything thing works before the draft and I imagine that's going to be huge. But what is your gut sets? There's there's quite a lot of quarterbacks that potentially could come off the board. There's a Lotta offensive tackles. That could come off the board and all those things could impact what happens to other draft boards. What's your gut sense Trader Howie? About how difficult it is to be able to swing trades in this craft. And how many actually might a question about About two thousand eighteen so my experiences in you know I know that we've talked about the two thousand fourteen draft and right away that dynamic trade changed in the trade market With Ray that happened in the top ten and the price went up and then you we had gone through a bunch of mock scenarios and and we had a worst case scenario investigate scenario. So you gotta be prepared for the worst case scenario. You gotTA stack the Board in the way that you would be comfortable taking the twenty-first flair on your war. Not You know hope and we said it's a lot you know hopes not a strategy. We have gone hanging but not hoping that. Someone's GonNa follow you. And so we'll we'll expect the worst and hope for the best and then we'll make sure we understand as the draft is going on what's going on you know what what's going on in trade market. What people are getting what people are looking for? Where Ron has begun John Where a poor drops off and at one of the things that always makes draft exciting gives you butterflies just like anything you know. It's it's something unpredictable will happen there's Way will come off tap me only once that. Kinda came off exactly the opposite of what you're hoping for but we'll be prepared forever scenario. Any you have any gut sense. Howie that Corona I mean? The remote setup could dampen trades in. I know that we're in the same conversations around the league that we always do you know a a week out from the draft and the communication You know we got a great group of GM's and guys that really do a great job communicating with each other talking to each other. It's a fraternity Stations happening now. I think a lot of it depends on just oats in where people most people want to do. And you know. I don't think that there's a lack of communication because we're we're communicating on the phone during the draft. Anyway you know we all have each other's phone numbers off multiple phone lines so I think that they'll be the same level of communication is. That doesn't change. That's one thing that's not going to change Werner Draft Room. And we're talking to the jets you know that's not face to face interaction anyway. Joe Nellis Picking Them Phone in Joe. We're here we'll go ED and then Roddy. Hey guys. Thanks a lot for doing this. Given the number of injuries this team has had the last couple of seasons without the ability to really do medical reach with your own staff and there have been some players you know some prospects that have had some surgeries since combine ended. I mean would you be hesitant to take somebody unless you are one hundred percent sure of their medical at it? I think you you take all the information as we said we got really trust rely on our medical staff in you take all the information that's acquired it's a case by case situation. You do these player everybody recovers different In you look at history Employers in I think you'd have to treat as a case by case player in in make the best decision based on the data that you have. It's a great opportunity for us. Also thank our chief medical officer Unbelievable email with so much on his plate right now as a doctor and him being able to give the time. I can't imagine he's sleeping right now but able to give us. The information of these guys are new head trainer. Tom has been unbelievable for him. To kinda come in this Ted are for performance. Agai for them to do believe mountain work that they've done on the strath in this draft class. Dig On guys and get as much information as they possibly can always studies. They've done on gap is just. It's amazing I know. Just because they're coming into these new spots in their first off season in these new roles and I know how excited they were to really get rolling and build those relationships suppliers and all that energy to do whatever they can to help our draft process. Just WanNa thank them and the rest of our training staff our strength staff in our team. Doctors were trying to get to as many as we can here. So we'll go rob and then Elliot. How how much thought are you giving to the possibility that this season may be altered? It might be sure and if it's even played at all and had it how's that could that impact what you may do in a draft next week. Meaning maybe more willingness to trade next year's picks because there may not be an opportunity to see college football in twenty twenty so maybe next year's picks could be desirable whereas this year. You know what you're getting a you could drive yourself crazy with trying to get involved in all the scenarios you know what if it's the opposite you know what if you go through the water and I think we can control one thing. And that's that we've had a full year From may we will have a draft next week and everything else is out of our control. We can control. And that's this draft. Obviously we're always keeping an eye on the futures well and feature drafts but I think are going through these. What if scenario you drive yourself crazy? So we'll deal with the information that we have at hand which is a great opportunity next Thursday Friday and Saturday to improve a football team for this season and season. It will wrap up with Elliot. Dan Gallon I was curious outside of Gusty. What qualities do you look for in receivers? That made you think they can stretch the field on the next level and then now that you've had more time to watch him. Where do your scouting reports on Henry Rugs and Caja Hammer and Import Sally Great. Just getting fat. I think it's just time speed and play speed bobbin watching the guy play in the sometimes a forty times. Don't match over the place but a Lotta Times GonNa come back to what you see on the run by people consistently do they create gaps of separation I think those are all things in. Its evidently tapes study on players in see. Sometimes a quality defensive backs The players go up against But there's there's a lot of fast receivers in this draft and the play speed. I remember when I'm my town with the steelers coach. Noll talked about. They talked about Chuck. Knoll talked about play speed in place. Strength is different than time. Speed in the measure strict strength. Sometimes so you think all those things they go into You know the equation when you're factoring these players and how they think it only you see all the time that guy may run for four against him pads and some played at that time speed in the opposite. You know we tell our scouts all the time and I don't know that there's a faster guy. Impasse I've ever seen in my twenty one year career than the shock in on. That's not eating wrong. The fastest forty so. I think that we make sure that we're evaluating that Jeffrey yet. Things last year the year before talked about all this aid. App. Not What we're trying to also merge no you have a this are that gives you the speeds a guy so we try to balance what they're running at the combine and also speeds that we have collected on. I think that that's what we're trying to figure out to make sure that these guys aren't just good testers on that play fast in their paths that we see it on tape we use it like a seesaw kind of basic. All that information is even out as we go through our final grades. I just kidding about the ascendant. Discount reports with getting to know these players mostly through video calls as opposed to being face to face as giving you a new perspective or anything different on these guys. Have you learned anything? Maybe unexpected no through most of it in virtual and is the feedback. It's more one on one The we're giving his in our coaches. Are Scouts talking to players in his. We've done it. I think it's it's just you feel your one on one in a room in your loan. In sixty minutes I think is mandated by the League. You have to be inside a sixty minute window in. It gets a chance to for for people to really reveal themselves even more so They're not going to be going off to another department People it's one you in the player in it gives them a chance to to more so bare their soul and who they are and in really the person more so just angst. I know you know we got a chance to get some of the questions I think Jason has announced returning. Today right is that out. Said he's retiring from arm wrestling. That's a good thing. The only get back to to going out in Philadelphia. Now be good that are fans on John Dharma's where that's not good You know I know this is the time for all you guys you guys. I know the effort in energy. You put into your work and your job near craft and spending the time a notch just At your guests All the information just wanted to say I. I know that this is a a difficult situation for everyone in Philadelphia but the fact that you as you work and put forward content for our fans. We appreciate it. We may not always act like if anything that continues to everyone some distraction and some Eagles football so shit. All of you got a save To talk with you again here in the next week thank you. Hey there podcast Powell's I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hitting season. 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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Amy Trask & BLG on the firing of Doug Pederson

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08:09 min | Last week

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Amy Trask & BLG on the firing of Doug Pederson

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Someone that follows football in yaks about football on television that i hope that jeff asked a question of himself before may case decision and that he came up with an answer which was at a minimum as good as the status quo and one would hope for eagles fans fake sakes better than the status quo and the question is and do what i mean. Look it wasn't tap many years ago. I think twenty seventeen that doug led the team to a superbowl and then was in the playoffs in eighteen and nineteen and yeah rough year this year. Not only on the field but she was off the field and involving carson wentz and his happiness or unhappiness and what went on in the last game and whether that was doug's decision or handed to him by someone else so there were off field issues as well but before you let a coach go particularly one who's had some success you gotta ask and do. What presumably. Jeff did that so if you were the eagles now your head coach. Where do you think they can look. Because i i'm hearing lincoln riley which might be interesting but then you run into this whole problem with carson wentz. Because lincoln riley jalen hurts. But you're you're supposedly keeping carson wentz. I feel like maybe that isn't the best way to go i. I'm not sure where. I would look if i was the eagles thinking about lincoln at all. You have to have a very open candid. Dialogue about the issue you just raised. Is this going to be an issue. What is your position on this. How are you going to communicate to and with carson. You know if you come here carson's on our roster so at a minimum that has to be on the table so to speak. Can you have to be comfortable with the answer I think he should. I think they should look at any number of options. Eric be enemy comes to mind immediately. Because i consider andy reid One of the best best best coaches in the league and clearly. Andy has a terrific relationship with the eagles and a history there. Andy has come out and said eric be enemy. Is the guy that you want. You want him on the field coaching. You want him off the field. Coaching the organization in other words. He's more than just an on field. Xs and os coach. He's a good leader. And if. Andy reid is saying that about eric as andy has been saying passionately for some time that should resonate with the eagles. But we have to talk about this eagles thing be eljay stunned. What was your reaction and what do you think. The general reaction was from eagles fans. Yeah so i think it wasn't surprising in the sense of on sunday. We had heard that doug peterson like basically wasn't locked to return. Even though we had previously heard from espn that he was likely to be back. As the eagles head coach actually caught wind of something about this stats on lake. Friday night that this could go down and so i was looking alert this weekend for this to happen so i was kind of. It didn't come out of left field for me but Certainly it's obviously such a big decision to make to move on from the guy again. The only super bowl winning head coach in franchise history into fire him into really With actions not so much in words. Jeffrey larry came out and said this wasn't about what was deserved. It was about. You know what's doing what's best for the team. Moving forward But in terms of action like they. The eagles are making. Doug peterson accountable. Basically for this team's downfall and saying like he is the main problem. And i just think that is so ridiculous based on everything. I've been saying about this team throughout the season that look. Doug peterson deserves blame. Also if you looked at his plan that was leaked out there. Which by the way pretty pathetic to me that the team leaked out there to kind of throw him under the bus in really kinda grease the skids in terms of fan reaction to To be on board with doug being fired Now with that said you know. I think it was a bad plan from his plan to fix. The eagles was basically like more internal promotions. And it's like that's not very inspiring doug now the same time the force coaching hires on him last year. So how can i really totally blame him about wanting to do what he wants to do. And not do what the organization is going to force on him but long winded spiel here short is that doug deserves blame and i honestly think it is possible. What is best for the organization Best for him is that he's no longer with the team. But again issue is making him the main problem with everything. That is misguided. Howie roseman an jeffrey here. Who i guess. I probably haven't been on enough and maybe collectively eagles fans have been on enough because he is also very culpable in this team's mess. Because he is by all indications meddling way too much Those guys are still very big problems here. And i just think it's very naive to think that doug is gone and everything is fixed right there. My biggest issue. If you're keeping howie and now it seems like you're keeping whence because now we're hearing that maybe the relationship with the team is fixable because doug is gone. You are putting the blame for everything squarely on. Doug peterson shoulders. That doesn't make any sense to me. Given what you've said on this show multiple times about the state of the roster and the cost of these guys in how basically they can't really make a ton of changes next year just based on the structure of everything so to put it all on the one coach that won a super bowl without the quarterback. That's causing all these problems. Seems crazy to me. There's just a lack of respect really You know again this guy. You want a super bowl. And then he can't even pick his own staff and he gets all the blame for this team's decisions that are made above him decisions that he doesn't even power and so it's it's just frustrating to see really It's a total lack of respect. And i think look. I think doug can go somewhere else and be successful and by all accounts. We're hearing that. He actually is quote at peace with being fired. Not being coach anywhere and that makes sense right like if he's going to be the guy who is always the fall guy basically and he's gonna take all the heat disproportionately so then it probably is best that he's not here anymore both for him and the organization It's it's just a shame it had to come to this and to shame there's no elsewhere i think that's the main thing people might be missing in terms of like i'm not saying doug peterson shouldn't have been fired. I actually wanted. Doug peterson to be fired. But i also wanted howie roseman to be fired. I wanted to be cleaning house. Start fresh. This is such an obvious point for them to do that stats. Let's like right now it's an inflection point it's like they need to pivot from thinking they can contend to building this thing back up for the long term. And what's the best way to do that. 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The Kist & Solak Show #82: Howie & The Combine

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46:59 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #82: Howie & The Combine

"Copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed and so lack show presented pine SP nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show. This is ups owed eighty two brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. You can follow my work for bleeding, greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K. I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game. Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. You can follow his draft coverage at draft network dot com. Also, all of his other work for bleeding agreed nation dot com. You can follow him on Twitter at Benjamin so light because he is in fact, Benjamin Sollac, Ben had you enjoy the combine brother that was a lot to follow introduction as one. I was ready for things changed, and I wasn't prepared for it. It was awesome. It's tolerable grind. Man. It's real real busy. Senior bowl is definitely a little more chill schedule's. Not nearly as packed more time to do things that aren't work, but it is wonderful time regardless and getting the access to the prospects that we got it's really super seconds great opportunity without a guys. And so really enjoyed it. Enjoyed seeing the results enjoyed going out. And a lot of fun people. So it's a good time. It was really good time. A so you get paid by a snowball. That was don't. Yeah. You shouldn't Trevor sick him. Although Florida boy was so like pissed off about how cold it was. And then it snowed one day, and he was just super sites. He's walking through. It's just walking through the the sidewalk and then like next sidewalk there. Snow? That's been shelving off the sidewalk and he just walked through his cabinet with his feet. He looks at me. And he goes snow, and I was like yes with that is like is awesome. So Ben this combine stuff is probably gonna take a while to digest everything that happened, which is fine. We do have some pertinent eagles news to get to I mostly along the trenches. Brandon Graham is back baby. Three years forty million dollars to return for the eagles. You really thought Graham would test the market. I mean, he said as much and what that does is it gives him thirteen point three million dollars per year. Still waiting on the detail of that contract to see if his frontloaded backloaded wherever the case may be because there's a lot of different moving parts. Happening right now in we don't have a lot of details. When we don't have the emails on these next deals either except for one of them. I think we have the the average here were Jason Kelsey. 'cause Jason Kelsey has signed an extension through two thousand nineteen for the next three years. He'll be paid thirty three million dollars. That is eleven million dollars per year makes him the highest paid center in the league which is earned because he is the best center in the league for two years running that should put the bed some of the retirement talk as he's said himself is going to be a season to season decision, which is not uncommon to get over thirty. Kelsey was never really on the injury report last year. But you knew he was banged up with a knee and elbow, and he talked about the physical toll that the season took on him. But despite all that Kelsey will return next year and as a catalyst for the eagles offense. And what they want to do. I couldn't be happier about it. Plus, it looks like they're going to save some eagles with that new deal somehow anyway, despite him becoming the highest. Paid centers. So we'll see the details on that. But he himself Kelsey said that it does save them somebody this year. So we'll see exactly how much we we've seen the three point seven million dollar figure floated out there. Look you can incredible player you get to restructure you get to extend him, and you also save some money at the same note. Now two other notes quickly before he kicked you bend the eagles. Extend Isaccea Malo through two thousand twenty two which is a three year extension for him as he was coming up in the last year of his contract. We do not have the exact details for the cash as record this. But will update you will get that also lane Johnson restructures his contract, which is going to save the eagles some cash this year, apparently, and we already talked about the eagles not picking up TIMMY Jernigan option, which saves seven million dollars that it's pretty much fischel at this point. That is a lot of shaking and moving as we are a week away for free agency. Ben. Yeah. So it was they wanna combine that they were out there frigging extending brain Graham, which is not a thing that we thought. What happened? Yeah. Multiple restructure slash extensions. Those things are often like made in one another very Albany avoidable years on these extensions. So as just continue pushing the salary cap probation as far down the road as you can then the Isaac Sam all extension. I think is really interesting slash cool slash good. Because it's important the same. Although we have seen numbers what's been reported. It's an extension which basically just we expect him to start moving forward. He'd cost more. If he got the free agency because he probably be better, and he'd be threatening open market. So the extent him now knowing that he's going to be on the roster those years, we might as well just secure him. Then which is basically what a lot of these lane Johnson Fletcher. Cox restructures are right. Like the eagles have in the past three years calendar years they've extended Fletcher Cox twice that urge twice lane. Johnson twice brand Brooks twice because they know these players are going to be on the roster and twenty twenty twenty twenty one like if everything hits the fan. If Carson Wentz is totally broken. Would you know these players on the roster for those years if eagles in multiple Super Bowls in the next two years? These players will be on the roster late, no matter. What happens? They're going to be around. The only thing that wouldn't do it is like traumatic injury in this really. You can't build your cap assuming everybody's gonna be traumatically injured. You would never have any good players ever. I think that's a great point that you bring up about the Super Bowl because a lot of times what you see happen. When a team wins. The Super Bowl is you'll see mass exodus. But the way that Howie Roseman has constructed this thing to make sure that he retains these players, and you know, values these in house players and makes the round is how he keeps that from happening in some people might be concerned with the fact that he continues to kick the can down the road at times with these guys. But when it's time to restructure and make a team friendly deal. These guys seem to be willing to do that for Howie and it hasn't really bit him yet. So you just keep going the work perfectly fine, obviously, a downside to it too. But how he seems to be really good at manipulating the cap to make it work in his favor. Yeah. Now, we say it hasn't really been yet. Right. It hasn't in the sense that like the biting analogy isn't great. But it's like you just choose when you get bit. You know what I mean? It's like like you have Carson Wentz. He's on a rookie deal. The rookie deal for quarterback is generally viewed as the Super Bowl competitive window and a lot of teams quarterbacks already deals get to the Super Bowl. Now, obviously, they don't always win it. But that's different matter entirely. Like if you look at the last like oh four Super Bowl winners. None of the super winning quarterbacks. Ron rookie deals. Yeah. But like you had the the Russell Wilson era eagles on rookie deal when foles one its own and so forth. So the rookie deal gets you competitive gets you closer we start there at some point. You got to pay him a ton of money when you pay him a ton of money, you're going to limit your ability to sign big deals free agency and accordingly. You're going to limit your village to acquire top tier talent because you're not gonna be able to outbid teams who have a ton more cap space. So you need to have your top tier talents already secured, you need to have them the roster, and that's your. To be looking at your assuming you know, thirty year olds Akers is playing as well as twenty seven year olds Akers twenty year olds eckerd's playing right now, you're assuming that you're still going to be getting great play out of twenty eight year old lane Johnson out twenty six John's flying. Now, I'm making these ages. They may be wrong. It's kind of what I think is right. Don't worry about it. But so there's that you have will years avoidably as great as yeah, you're gonna be paying cumulatively several million dollars to players who aren't on the roster anymore. But you're doing that. Because you've got great play out of them in previous years, and you were able to keep those numbers smaller by pro rating them over the years. That's wonderful. The reality is at some point. You you have to pay the piper. You can't outrun death forever. This is not an invincibility cloak one of the the Alva, gosh, prima, Harry Potter more Percival brothers. We're stopping the show. You're about to get slammed by the nerds. It's going to be awesome. Three brothers. Better figure. This out. Shut up pressure is on its personal. I'm no, it's not personal was one of the names of. Of the brothers. What was the last name the tail through brother? How could you possibly think? It's personal hugged. You possibly think that I know what it is. Yes. Pepper AL. Pavel. I was close anyway all of that out. And it's gonna sound like I said at immediately, but this isn't unin visibility close situation. You're not able to just escape death forever. Right. There will be years. Most likely I'm looking at it. I don't really know. But probably twenty twenty one where the eagles just can't do anything free agency. They're paying ton of people ton of money, and they're they have a ton of dead cap on players. They can't give it up even though they probably should get rid of them. And the team probably won't be as good as a result. But however Roseman talks about building teams in two year views in two years spurts in the having a two year approaching those windows lows swells you often the top to the bottom back to the top. That's just the the cycle of life year with a massively expanding cap. He's absolutely trading a bit on equity like he's just the guy there's gonna be money, and there's going to be a c- renegotiation twenty twenty and there's gonna be. A hold out and he's gonna lose money. And yeah, the eagles are going to be an absolute cap hell cap hell in like twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. But it's what allows them to be competitive last year this year twenty nineteen maybe even twenty twenty depending on what things look like eventually get to Jason Peter spot where Jesus beaters do on a money and the eagles may wanna cut him. They're not able to cut him. Okay. Yelich if God forbid executive says a bad injury. The eagles are not going to be able to cut Zach girds for multiple seasons. He's just gonna be on the roster making tons of money. There's not much they can do about that. But then this is the overarching point of cap management. And I always say the cap is real always my joke. But the overall pointed cap management is it's not good to have cap space is bad. If you have the cap space imagery of bad players, a not a lot of good players, and you won't good players not bad players. So the eagles being perennially up against the cap is a very good thing. Because it means they have good players unique players to win. You have to pay. Good players eagles pay good players, then they win games. This is this is the Baltic. We spend so much time thinking about cap space and everything goes around with it and the reality is there. Good players and have them that being said this. Let's talk more cap in the podcast. But also doesn't matter does not real the percentage that you have left of your cap when you start the season does not go into your winning percentage. Does not how this works. So use it all as long as you can continue to do. So and continue to recover and continue to keep good players. So we'll move on from that discussion, of course, cap in free agency. And all that stuff is going to be a big conversation of what we have around this time of year. Now, you can help yourself do to help your team retain talent and stay out of capital is to draft really well way, I have a cat. I have a cap question on ask you before we transition. Jeez, you crush. I would just smooth right into it. You're like, no, let's stop. Remember, the Pepperell brothers frigging here. All right. I figure this out, and I want you take the eagles are likely to do only one of these things keep Nelson galore. Keep Michael Bennett. There might be trade involved for either one. I'm sure they're working the trade bloc for both. Maybe they're able to restructure alarm shows on they like to do they can't keep at nine point four million. They just can't. So which would you prefer eagles? Keep Adler nine point four million and just straight outright lose like Obama free agency or keep Michael Bennett at some point two million and lose side free agency. Michael Bennett's, the better player in it's less money on the idea of what the wide receiver room looks like if aga- or goes, not knowing what the return on that would be not knowing what the draft picks would be. But the very simple fact is and you know, I'm a big Adler fan, and I defend them all the time two guys in the slack channel. But Michael Bennett is better player at the lower cost. You might be older. That's fine. I wanna win right now. So that would be my answer. Yeah. That's the correct answer. Now the mid. The mitigating factor. Here is the fact that Michael Bennett is a bit Osceola. But also, I been more difficult to handle the locker room in the team construction as compared to Nelson galore. And yet you probably have a more dire need at wide receiver. And then you do at edge knowledge that, but Michael van at some point to is such bargain that if you're if you, you know, his off stuffers locker stuff whatever's not that bad than it might have to keep them Agla trying to restructure him. I'm sure they are desperately. But man, I just think they're really rough spot with him. I have no idea how it's going to go down if you're restructuring lane and making lanes cap hits in future years bigger and making tougher and tougher to cut lane to keep Adelaide nine point four million for Justice season. That's not high enough impact of play or my opinion Yanni sites. It's it's wild. I think we I think we generally forget a little bit about my Collins. And the fact that they were really comfortable with him as wide receiver three last year. So they should become with him with wide receiver three this year. So it's not like the white sea room. It'd be totally bereft. But you know, I see the value for Adler. There's wide receiver to the other cap thing that I wanted to talk about with you, which I will now remember Ben is something his powers of remembrance running through the positions in my head is fast. Oh, I wanted to make a general note and have a discussion about this. The number one thing that will be guiding Philadelphia Eagles off season plan. This year will be the third round compensate for Nick foles. It's as simple as that they pay Nichols. A lot of money to stay here. Multiple years to win a championship playing the playoffs. Did good stuff. But recouped nothing on his free agency would be really difficult to the eagles will not be signing any free agents that could potentially interfere with that around comic. It will not happen. They will be sending low end free agents period. I the only way they tending big deal is if they just really value somebody way higher than the market is apparently valuing them in a huge bargain. Enough forgo a third round draft pick that can be traded. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, you have a v becomes Michael Bennett. What is third round take that you can now trade because in terms of your ability to add players on the open market in the middle of the season. So that's gonna guide the way they approach free agency. Now, this is imperative understand during CVA negotiations upcoming twenty twenty I think that one thing you'll see that the the NFL PA move strong. He was trying to make us that complex can no longer be traded. Which is a new addition which really favors Teves in their Bill to get caught picks. And which means that more players will be let walk in free agency. And that's not what players want, and so this may be a running clock thing. And so they really really are gonna wanna make sure that third round copy comes through, and they're going to be able to trade it when they have it. So that's the driving force. Don't expect a big free agency from the eagles this year. Obviously for the capris already stated, but because the number one priority moving forward is gonna be retaining third-round competent foles. It has to be in any splash that how Roseman is made in. I wrote to suffer aggravation dot com. The eagle. Aren't gonna get a big ticket item in free agency. At just it's not the way that I see things happening even a trade for Tony Brown. I don't see that happening. That's not the way that this team really operates this team operates is low cost reagents Spencer where the running back to Kansas City, the linebacker out of Pittsburgh Eljay fort trading, Duke Johnson whose first two years is under five mil for fourth round pick that we talked about on this show. That is now rumor I'm here, I'm here for it. I'm here for two like that. That's the type of deals that how he likes to make even the splash free agent signings that he has made let's talk about a couple of them Roddy McLeod, Brandon Brooks, the first year contracts were not over five million dollar cap hits. This is not a team that goes big splash in for agencies. Just not the way that they operate, and especially they can't operate. Now. We talk about the cap not being real. But look there obviously mutations to what you have if Brandon Graham were to have walked. Yeah. Maybe they make a splash brand Graham back. So that guides a lot of what's going on there. And we don't know. Jason Peters in his money and all that stuff. But what are they really gonna spend on infre-? It's not gonna be lady on bell. Bell's not looking to make some team for any friendly deal. Where money's on the back end. He's looking to get paid. Now Antonio Brown said he doesn't even need the sport. You gotta pay him big time Money Train for at at the same time. Like that's a little different situation. But nothing right. And this is what I was alluding to. And I was going on that talk. I don't think anything subscribe sub prize out of the anything was surprise me. More than eagles sign lady on bell. That just makes no says for anything at all with anything at all. I just like, I know those report I just don't see the report as making sense will the most surprising thing for me would be Jason lockenfora being right on one of these reports is really going to the wheel on that one trying to make it work. It's not going to. I don't it's just not gonna work for me. I just I just don't see it happening at all. I mean, we don't even talk about the we talk about the eagles. And we say, I don't think they'll draft a first round running back. Oh, so you think they're gonna pay a top five contract for running back in free agency. I. Doubt it with injury concerns who is older than a rookie, hypothetically, then you're gonna give me crap overs drafting Josh Jacobs at twenty five I don't think. So man, that's not. I mean, they talked about the running back by committee at the combine VO Peterson. Specifically in basically, say like, yeah. This is we like to operate in for me. It was like, okay. Maybe it's not all deuce. Maybe that's what Doug Peterson likes to do too. So I can't see them investing anything like that. You know, we get into a conversation about CJ Moseley the guy from Baltimore the linebacker, maybe depending on what he's looking for. But I don't see anything big time coming that way. Do you see them going veterans safety potentially? Now. The Corey Graham has gone veteran safety is a big potential for me that third safety role. Even if it's and I think glory Quinn. The the guy was like, oh by the Detroit Lions has fallen off the cliff much like Corey Graham was always off of the cliff. But now they're at the same spot. I think that happened Quin last year, but he would be a guy a former swertz guy that they would bring into their free safety as veteran that would make a. Of sense, just like logically, connecting the dots type of deal and other guys like that. I know there are some out there free agency that they could definitely take a look at hopefully, not Jonathan Ciprian who is bad. Well, I saw I'm down. Yeah. I'm. For for for a year for two years now trae Boston's back on the market. I wanted him last year I'm down from this year. But man, I think it'd be fun of Eric will play from my team for year. This supports nothing of all the cab considerations. I talked about. But I don't know how expensive is going to be. It'll be interesting to see what the market is on Weddell. But wells, you're such a fun flare. The market was real weird for safety's last year in free agency. So it could be a little bit of the same for little what oaken still mad cover. He still got the range of he's still. He's super philanthropic we active. Yep. Which fits the culture fits culture big time. This been a fun place for veterans to comply. They've enjoyed it here especially on defense just in. I'm not saying, but I'm saying we'll talk about that as we get into the legal tampering period your own bleeding nation when we return we are finally going to get to the promised NFL combine recap. We'll be back in a second. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as the show about people doing things that for some reason or another seems smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it tell a friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. And we are back Ben. It is time to talk about the NFL combine of two thousand nineteen Ben you tweeted, this outlets jump right into it. Seven wide receivers ran in the four threes this year, that's the same as the last three combines combined. Ben, here's the list. Paris Campbell state four three one and Isabela UMass for three one miekel hardman, Georgia four three three decay Metcalf. Ole miss four three three row talk about that Terry on Anna's state for three five Daria slate. From Auburn who I put my my threats article for bleeding, greenish dot com. Ran a four three nine also Emmanuel hall from his URI for three nine first off one of these players is not like the other by like twenty pounds and that his decay Metcalf who at two hundred and twenty eight pounds and on his death bed at a reported one point six body fat percentage. I said that I would throw my television out the window. If he ran sub for four he cleared that and put some extra. Stank on it. And I did not throw my television out the window. But I damn near kicked. It would show by the big, man. Ben Ben overall, holy crap. This is a great year for those of us think that the eagles needed threat. I know we both like hardman from Georgia. We've talked about on who fist the eagles in your opinion. And if you just wanna talk about the freak of nature that is that decay Metcalf a little bit more. I completely understand because that was stopped. I though the funny thing about met Gav is just that like we heard some rumors that he might run the like the range that we were talking about was like four three eight, right? And so like, very nervously very cautiously dropping at some locations. Listen, I've heard he might run sub for four right? And then just like leaving that there that I thought that was so bold. And then he was like what if I ran for three three with like, not the cleanest start you've ever seen as the planet. I mean, just right as stupid. It's just it's it's stupid. It's transcendent. I live just couldn't give two hoots about his his. Time. If you can't find a way to make that player successful. I don't even know what to say to you anymore. But when I look at the eagles specifically. Yeah. Peres campbell. Apparently now is getting round one talk which to me is basically like, oh, no markets. Brown is injured who's the other fast guy fares gamble here? We go. Terry MacLaurin Hieaux stay the same school ran for one hundred seconds slower than him that has bad at the tape literally in every facet in every facet except for yak. And he's still a good guy. I, and I would even argue that one of the main reasons you can make that case is because parents Campbell got every mesh touch on the face of the planet, and he got a ten yard run away before he saw anybody and he had run away speed. Whereas McLaren was getting more intermediate defend your not gonna see as much yak. Also the way they were used. So this whole like Paris Campbell is now like the new round one speed guides markets Brown is injured just to me is is ridiculous. But Tamika Corey special teams ace great route runner multiple positions, which is huge Philadelphia truce up for four speed. I mean, like he is as Nelson aga- Loria players, you're gonna find in the Strath right without I think some problems that Adler had a USC in. So I think he's you know, he's a day to pick to me one of the round two selections. This probably going to be high. Toted names at wide receivers on the board. Maclaurin is just been on believable senior season his senior bowl. His combine. Everything's been fantastic. I think the eagles are going to take a long hard look at the sub four four, and obviously like, you know, sub four five market for their speed. That's very legit option that they have a we know they've been circulating veterans be guys the position this is a a great great draft. Blasio get one to go to draft one McLaughlin would be the name that I would circles the guy would like to see the most as we've talked about this show before in no Emma answer my nose. But Meco Hartman Emmanuel hall is another player that I really like a lot. Emmanuel hall is gonna be another day to pay for me for sure he had a great combine jumped out of the gym with apparently a sports hernia, which just like stupid. The those names I'm looking in hall has a more complete game than Campbell too. I mean, I know he only ran post streak curl whatnot at Missouri. But like even just his release game as so much better. He consistently wins. The line when he needs to when he has to Paris hasn't really shown a lot of that his deputy is like negative two yards or two yards. Like he's either getting it behind. The is getting Campbell is gonna get overdrafted for literally five one hundreds of a second which draft a four three eight guys before three one guy. Whatever the heck it is. So yeah, I mean a lot of speed guys out there for the eagles. If they're looking for one, you know, Mike Wallace, always come back. We don't know how that's gonna go. But they are going to be looking at these wide receivers they are to be looking at these threats. So there's a lot of them there. Which is great news. A great draft. Go get one Aben. I mean, we gotta talk about this when they called the defensive line historic. I did not expect testing even like this. I mean, you're just one guy who just completely one the combine and elevated his stock Montas sweat from Mississippi State run on a four four one. And then doing good. Talk to me. I was I was in church though, Sunday morning. I was in church. I wasn't on the draft livestream or anything. He was in church too. He was preaching. And so so I go back to the draft. Never glad stream almost like over getting back to govern center. They're claiming month as four four two nights. Didn't believe it. I should leave it. And then he added on believable three county, which he wasn't supposed to have seven. He was supposed to have that. He had a better three bride birds. What? Get out of dodge. That's absurd. Like is it the whole door to Willis thing is it is it actually there with them because that three come that seven flat three cone. What is that like eighty third percentile of not mistaken like Daimler put it out there that the average three cone for the top thirty edge Russia's in the NFL seven point one four he's well, he's well under that like that's not would be expected him to be good at in fact, we were saying he was going to be probably pretty rigid. I mean, there's some stiffness on film that you can see there. So that's something you gotta suss out and go back to the film on. But my God man, and this whole class this whole defensive line class tests like freak athletes. I was trying to pick winners and losers for that day for bleeding greenish dot com. And I was like I could take fifteen defensive linemen, and nobody would say boo because they all tests like elite athletes and just about everybody. But Jakob polite help themselves at the combine from the guy. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Because Jacoby was a guy that we said if he drops pass twelve the eagles might be interested in moving up. Now, this is obviously before the Brandon Graham news 'cause they were going to be looking for an edge rusher pair with dark Burnett long-term, which makes a lot of sense you get cheap at the position. And you get a good a really good pass rusher and Jakob polite as a really good pass rusher. What the heck happened with him in the interviews because he is telling the press while I was in there with him. And also wanted to do as bash my game. And I don't know manages bash me the whole time, and he seemed like really bad at the process, and then their stuff out there were like he he came in heavy they said it was sloppy weight. Because you know, he's at that to forty two he came in at what he come into like two fifty eight to fifty and we were like, heck. Yeah. That's great. And then we saw we were like, dude. What have you been doing which kind was awful when I saw him at two fifty eight. I'm like oh good because he's played at two seventy before when he was a defensive tackle to Rygl. Ago. So you would think okay, maybe he can really carry that weight. And then you want to see him test. Well, at that weight where he comes in at a sloppy to fifty eight and then runs a forty four or something like that on the forty and this is all I pulled my Hannie. And then like, that's it. And I know that people were getting, you know, text from scouts saying, I don't believe it. I think it's Bs on and so forth and the way that he talked with the press and what we're hearing. Now from teams saying like, it was I think one word used was train wreck for their interview with him. And he was a guy that we had talked about coming into the show like okay for the interview process. Who's got a nail? It. Jakob polite was one of those guys because there were maturity concerns will go figure. There's a ton of red flags around this, dude, Ben, what are what did you experience from that whole polite weirdness? 'cause I don't think anyone hurt their stock. More than polite. No, I'm never seen. I've never seen a podium interview. Like this Monteilh life like it's just did nobody tell him what was going to happen. Like, it was like, we would we the media. Make fun of the fact that all these prospects get questions like. Have you met with the jets have you met with the giants? We met with eagles which were super asinine questions. Everybody's met with everybody. Who cares? It doesn't really like indicate anybody's going anywhere. And also most prospects are just like. Yeah. Or know her. I don't remember Johnson Gardner Johnson. Another Florida kid was like with every team was like. Oh, yeah. Met with them. And then number like had people ask how to go. And he was like, Aw is amazing. And he's clearly screwing around and like by the end of it. He was like that's like, I don't remember. I'm also not gonna tell you, which is fine. Like, you know what I mean? Like he was like joking around. It was a little flippant. But some people are flippantly so cool to play was brazen. He was more than brazen. He was it was disrespectful. He was. He was dismissive. I mean, we're talking about a guy who openly admitted in a very nonchalant manner. The heat is not watch his own Phil. What you don't get better at football. Unless you watch yourself. Fly multi crazy, how how is nobody told you not to say that out loud? How firstly how you not watching film? Film. It'd be professional football player since I wrote things didn't read them. Things I never read them ever again. And I was like that is the best writing that can happen. I mean such disappointment. It's now he's out around one period all the only show in my bad place. This is held the process works. I can't end the fact that that happened. Here's what that leads me to believe he can say, it doesn't watch it on film. But the university of Florida has absolutely put him into a room where his film has been playing. That's happened. And he very likely responded really poorly criticism. And so I wouldn't be surprised if you know scouts talking to people at Florida said like, hey, whenever we talk with his guy 'bout his film, especially as bad film, like he's just super abrasive with us. And so teams said listen, I wanna make sure that we ask him when we bring him in about his bad film, specifically because Florida has said that he doesn't respond well to seeing his bad film. As exactly what happened and just like how how are you not preparing your client for that like on whose agent is? But you gotta be on top of that. And for polite, you shouldn't even Asia to tell you not to do any of that nonsense. Man, come on. Now what we do it. So some guys that. Did help himself on this safety group. Oppose fun. Even though the two top safeties that we have the people have the Thompson, Alabama Nazir Adderley from Delaware. Didn't do much of anything. Unfortunately, we didn't really get to see them. Hopefully, they do everything at the pro day. But one dude that we've talked about a few times on this show, man. Did he jump out the frigging Jim one, man? I'm starting so hard off once combine baby. Love it. Go. Fifty three overall punch their ticket one Thornhill safety out of Virginia six interceptions last year, thirteen or sections in the last three years jumps forty four inches on the Vert in one hundred forty one inches on the frigging broad like. And then runs a four four two comes in over two hundred pounds. Incredible. And my boy, d'arno savage junior hit in the four three six on the hype train, Ben I'm on it. You gotta get on it too. I've been I've been that on savage. I've been on savage, and we heard him. I love the combine now one. Thornhill has the basketball background has the I saw him dunking on some clips after that after it was like where did this come from? And I was like, okay, hops. And the simple reality is. He's clearly good enough athlete. Pay the position. He's been rotating positions enemies been Parkwood apart safety his instincts are what slows him down. It's not physical tools. And so he's a guy who like I love the way he plays from the top. I see the room for improvement. I love the physical upside one four as been safety four my rankings for awhile. Now, that's where he's going to stay on the is gonna pass the top three in John's gutter Johnson in this year, John Thompson. But dude, everything you want from a potential combo safety of the next level. You got to you have to improve develop him, but there's not a single safety in this class that doesn't require that. That's just the reality of safety play right now. My opinion do stunt. He's been aside. I've loved him forever. I was so happy and John legend who has on Savigny draft network. Does not at bad Tabei, those bad athlete, and we'd big about this forever. And then want? Out of the building. And I was I was I was awful to him. I was awful to John was a bad friend for the entire time afterwards doesn't sound like you had all been you never read anything anyone's faces. I do not. How dare you say like this? I will rub that line your face forever. If you're looking at safeties at twenty five you're probably looking at this year. Outerly you're looking at you're looking at Johnson garter Johnson who had a very good day to just not as crazy as the two. We talked about after three at fifty seven. We're talking won- Thornhill definitely in the mix, Darnall savage junior. This if you others in there as well. There's a lot to talk about as we go through this process. Ben who has you going back to the tape because I've got a list here. Minnesota linebacker play Cashman on there. Yeah. I I know you already took a look at Notre Dame wide receiver miles boykin who has really good explosive numbers. I want to rewatch mile Sanders from Penn State because he tested like a much better athlete than I expected to. Yeah. I mean, look, I think some of his athletes. Madam when I asked you guys on the draft network twitch when I asked about you know, is his place speed less than his time. Speed what I was really saying or trying to get at was is it because of the inexperienced the mental processing because place being a mix of mental processing reactionary skills and actual athletic ability. Does that mix because of the lack of experience in the mental processing knocked down his place beat to where he does it look like two type athlete that he tested like that's why I was really trying to get at with mile Sanders. So that's something I'm going to go back to NC if I see more than I 'cause I don't see that much of a burst from him on film. I mean, he was solid. I was at knocking them for it. I was in knocking them for, you know, a lateral agility or anything like that. But it wasn't. None of it was special to me like he'd tested like a pretty special athlete all round. Yeah. No. So I guess I was in a spot where I knew that he had really good testing numbers because he was breaking records in Penn State program while saquon Barkley was just breaking them higher on. It means like he actually never had them. He was breaking them at the same time. And it's like I knew he had like an. Almost six hundred pounds squad. His scene is junior year. Whatever he was running the four fours junior year. So you kinda news was gonna happen. Yes. I gotta watch Montas sweat. I'll tell you right now months. Sweat one hundred thousand percent going before the eagles pick which things objectively. Good news. Yeah. Me too heavy overdrafted relative to the class. I agree with you. I think that the combine is more Jordan Willis than we'd like for it to be legal issue this way. Montas, sweat, renegade. Three cone short shuttle ten yard split at his size to sixty came in great for him. That probably means we gotta go back to a state and check out his first step explosiveness checkout. His Ben around the outside arc very quietly. I edge Anthony Nelson. You hadn't absolutely on believable. Combine right. Just ungodly. I'm pulling it up now mock draft with anybody six seven two hundred seventy one pound edge with thirty five yards. So huge. I was looking up today because I was going through the the. Mock draft machine on draft network. And I saw Anthony Nelson that I'm like let me look his own my God. Yeah. So time, but then this guy ran a four eight two which is not a four four two. But it's still great thirty five and a half inch for one hundred eighteen inch broad sub seven three six nine five faster, the Montas wet four point two three short shuttle. I believe also fashioned the Montas what like insane complex athleticism his tape. Like Montas sweat does not illustrate this level of athleticism. Nobody's talking about Anthony Nelson going up this high. So like what we have to acknowledge is that when players test better than we expect. You can't just say it applies to the first round guys. Probably doesn't mean anything for the second of run. Guys, rife writes, like I'm not willing to move much as wet up too far. 'cause I'm not willing to move Anthony Nelson up too far because I've watched their films. I don't think they have that ability when they rush that's that'll be going back to watch Montas wet. I'll be going back for sure to watch. Ben Banu the edge out of TCU who decided to run like a one four seven. Ten yard split which is great insane time for edges on the last guy who I'm not going back to his film. I'm going to for the first time is all miss safety. Zach woods frigging Cedric woods who ran a four two nine four off four to nine. What are we doing? What are we talking? Who is he's. Feel. I don't even know who was and I've watched I've come across person. I know who watched educ woods is John ledger. The SEC guy the draft network who literally said his worst trait was his housing speed on film, and how was here. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing at all? Or is this just fantasy the the the combine is a lot of fantasy that there's you gotta figure out what's reality. And what's not real? What I know is reality is like, and we have this discussion about you know, when you see it on the testing, how does it move things for you? Look if you saw that for Montas sweat on film. Okay. Then why is it moving the needle for you? Now if you saw from Garrett bradberry. That's an example, I use because I've already adjusted his great froth lettuce in score. Like, I had Garrett bradberry labeled as a seven out of seven athlete. He test like a seven out of seven athlete. I apply. His Rask war. I give it the proper, wait. He moves from seventy seven overall great out of one hundred to seventy seven point three a first round prospect doesn't move much on my board. Really just only takes advantage of the little bit of waiting that. I added for verified test results. That's that's that's it. I'm not moving him up to top five had him at top fifteen. I'm not moving all the way up there because he tests like an an elite athlete I saw it on film. Nobody. Saw it on film with sweat. That's why it's such a prize. And that's why everybody's freaking out right now. We'll go back to the film. Calm yourself down. Go back to the film, Sivas translatable. See if he makes it work if we miss something, then we'll then then we'll have a conversation about whether or not he's a top ten prospect. However, I still have feelings gonna get drafted in the top ten by someone's gonna see those numbers going have a delight coach go get feel. I feel like Detroit. Yeah. Exactly. Ben anything else for the combat stand for you. I know we're going to be talking about the combine a lot as this process. We don't have to cover everything at one show where Agassi going to be hitting up different points. As we go through the process. Yeah, I'm gonna have a great point to make. I'm going to remember it. And I'm gonna say it five not that good show from him. Like a lot of important things. You've been on your phone. It's just respond to sweat going back to watch film. Justin, great friendless is. I'm not as important spends time line, apparently, I surrender. I can't remember I was gonna say it was a great very interesting point. And you all would love it so much y'all should be so sad. Not hearing it when you remember message me, I'll say to AM, and that's fine. I'll save it all in all we'll make sure that we hit it on the next show for you. This is a great point that you tend to listeners are not gonna wanna miss on the next kissing Solex show, Ben sake it by to the gentle listeners. Now, I'm too sad. I can't. Nekia have this responsibility. Look just say goodbye, if you remember it after the close than we'll keep it running like, we do sometimes wasn't about linebacker Cody Barton bar was it about drafting Devon Bush twenty five. I remember. No, I don't I was. But it was something about Montas wet going at eight. Oh, I'm hurt. Yes. Hey, mike. I have a thing as I really deciding right now if I want to edit all of that out. Clean or just put it out there to make you look like a dummy plays. This. You have to take only one had like multiple screw ups in the show. I can tell you right now with unflappable certainty where gear bad bradberry is gonna be drafted one hundred percent. Where is my bay on the interior of the offense of line going because he, you know, tell you I it specifically today not any other day. Just today. I can tell you do you wanna guess or? No. I haven't done anything with mom. So so satisfied this is like a high a set of buzz. Remember that you forgot as the best Miami Dolphins thirteen now. No, no. I don't know. You saw the Brad. I know you like bribery this high. I didn't know you thought he was actually going to go this high A Weiming you're talking about it as if he's going to be like a super high pick. I thought this is in the same vein as the Montas white conversation. But I guess not. I guess teams are stupid and like worse players. That's fine. I mean, that's why they're drafting at the front of the draft every year, Ben who think or who wear wear tell me where tell me where my bay is angry the Los Angeles Rams on letting John Sullivan walk in free agency. No team runs wide zone. More gear. Bradbury's a plug and play center who is a incredibly intelligent player for the Sean McVay offense flawless fit flawless evil. Easy money gave rate thirty overall thirty one of All Saints trans you said the other day bradberry that high because I I have to keep it like scheme versatile because I'm not I'm not evaluating for one team evaluating for thirty two teams. However, if I were Los Angeles Rams, I would have terror Brad very very high as long as we do for run wide zone. So. So it's a great fit. That's a great fit. Great fit. Then now that we have figured that out and clunk our way through this show. Say goodbye to the gentlest, man. 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Babes On Broad #38: Just Figure It Out

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Babes On Broad #38: Just Figure It Out

"Hey, there podcast pals I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball season is one hundred and sixty two games long, and there's no way you can watch all those games. So make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. You could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcasts including the award winning dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze rozier subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast. APP. Welcome. To your favorite sports show. Hosted Jesse town. And same well. They're smart. Sexy and they're all. Thanks Unit And we hope. Hello and welcome to episode number thirty eight of Baynes on broad. I'm seeing Wilson with my co-host Jesse town. We are the based on broad brought to you by SP nation and bleeding green nation you should give us a follow on all socials if you haven't yet, you can find based on broad Based on broad on facebook twitter instagram, and then you can find me at Sam wills eighteen on twitter and instagram. You can find just on twitter at run this town with an east. And then you can find her on instagram at the town with any as well, and also make sure to go check out our website. You can find past recipes, drinks, all kinds of fun stuff on there a Babes on broad PODCAST DOT COM. So make sure to go check that out tell us what we can do, put on their, make your life easier make it better all that but thank you guys for everyone who tuned into the second week of. The Babes Live pre-game show we had a blast yet again, huge attendants and interaction. It was so funny. Get to talk to everybody and we had a blasting. Can we do it week after week? We think yeah, we had a good time. We Pasta we'd meatballs weighing sausage and peppers Lotto talion food was good. There were some meat and cheese you feel about some meat in DC and we drank Irish coffees which were so good. Yeah they had US alot. Yeah we well, we didn't eat before now is the problem. We we have at least some food before we start drinking night. Aside, you know what? Here's the thing? Maybe not because we need to be have more drinks before the eagles game start from now on because it's the only way we're going to be able to make. It was all good until until kickoff you know the eagles once again pooped the bed and lost to the rounds thirty seven to nineteen. So Sam. Yeah. Tell me what went wrong. What went wrong for you? Okay. Because it's it's so tough for me because honestly like the first game was not all Carson obviously yesterday whiz mostly. Carson and it sucks because he was he only has two touchdowns, four interceptions and yesterday he was scoreless and then had two interceptions and the one. Was Right at they had all the momentum coming out of the half they had going in with the Wallace fumble recovery, and then they had all the momentum coming out. They drove right down the field with that first possession out of the half and it was great and then Carson just. Interception in the end zone, and that just literally was the play of the game that shifted everything and it stopped on they couldn't do anything else I. DO THINK Yesterday was majority Carson and I think that has trouble so far nominally yesterday but in game one is well was that he's trying to be a hero that he had to be year but he doesn't really. Have to be that this year because he has weapons like birds and got her and to Sean, even though he's ordering, then you have the second year sanders which he didn't have one but he was back yesterday and then he also has a rookie league So I, think he's kind of so caught up in the fact that he has to be heroic when he doesn't. But a lot of people saw on my twitter is that my biggest thing is freaking Howie Roseman and even though he isn't the one playing games I think he is the one to blame for all of this mess and respecting you Iran's about him yesterday I just think dismiss Carson's full. Year to be out of Nicole, shadow to actually get weapons that weren't injured in practice squad guys and suggest be Carson, and then instead how he decided to knock, give him another top receiver and just let them deal with the same things. He had last year and hope there were no injuries besides regular obviously now, Sean a your order he's hoping for no injuries in any also just left a bench of Greg Ward and a whole bunch of poop so like that doesn't help him at all and then he has a freaking all goes back to the jalen hurts pick in the second round. You leave him with no weapons you tell him he's going to be your guy but then you draft a quarterback in the second round and I'm convinced that. He, he even really truly thinks that he invested in a great top backup quarterback with the second overall pick when we had first week six starters that we needed to fill and. He wanted to get a backup quarterback instead. So I think either is usual in truly think he invested in a good thing or that he just straight up is telling everyone that he lacks trust in Carson and that I think most people think that's the one is that or that the actual logical explanation is that he isn't trusting him. I don't know if it's his ability or his injuries against injuries. Would make more sense I hope that's what he would entrust but I just think that it's it's all goes back to Howie and I think he's just feeding into this mental game Carson's year to really just be Carson and now it's mental game again and it sucks and I think it's showing clearly. Yeah I totally agree right now my brain is in this. Constant never ending cycle of like Carson making bad throws and bad decisions but also Doug Peterson isn't designing an offense or game planning to do anything that's catering towards Wednesday strength and his skill sets and the organization has done nothing but actively work against Carson's giving him the big contract I mean, let's let's call us Beta spayed Carson Wentz play crap yesterday he had another. He Plan. That's terrible football he did and there's no there's no other way to argue it. But like I don't understand and you know you look at it and you're like I don't understand how after all this time he goes through his read progressions like a like. Like. He's at the high school level like he's he's locking in on his I read and maybe glancing to his second read but he's he's not going to raise progressions like an NFL quarterback inexcusable that he is doing that at the level that he is you continue on and you say we'll the play calling once again sucked like there's no creativity how about some jet sweeps or around with Jalen? Reagan. Like, you gassed all these guys up because you all you did was get speed and address speed and you wanted speed and I kept saying speed doesn't matter if they can't run routes and they can't catch and it doesn't matter if they're not utilizing it in the right way. So what are you GonNa do just have a bunch of people run fly patterns. No, that's stupid and that's all they're doing like. They need to get a little creative with that. You know to to actually utilize the speed of their skill guys but there's absolutely nothing exciting about this offense at this point like there's no movement, there's no surprises and there's no creativity like we shouldn't be able to sit at home and tell you the next play that's going to happen before it happens because here's the thing if. You and me sitting on a couch condense what's going to happen? You can be damn sure that an NFL defense is going to be able to tell what's going to happen I it's ridiculous and then exactly what you said as well I had it would Howie Roseman how he is on my fire him into the sun you know if you WANNA go like the most umbrella like. What how he's only job you have one job and that is to put together a winning. That is you're one job, and if that's the job of general manager, he has failed over and over again, he has failed miserably for the last three years like after giving Carson his contract all they've done is work guessing they drafted jj they go white that over de que metcalf as so far not promising looking left tackle gotten thirty-three-year-old to Sean Jackson who their load managing still. Kept Alshon, Jeffery around instead of getting rid of him who is hurt right now and useless to them. In that sense they drafted freaking quarterback in the second round who is also useless to them right now, if you're gonNA use them in the game and throwing them for three place, actually use them for something the Saints Bring Tastes Them Hill into the game. Do they know he's going to get the ball to the team's know what he's GonNa do? Yes but they Still do it and they're still successful with it. That's because they have a good head coach do something about it utilizing, make it not a waste of a pick and oh, by the way still screwing over is number one receiver and most reliable target and don't even get me started on the project of a third round draft pick being a linebacker when they tried to sell me Nathan Gary as the number one linebacker after he got absolutely toasted the day multiple times. When you look at it at the end of the day. The offense is the problem the defense played terrible. The offense is the problem. I don't think Carson Wentz is the only problem. He's part of it, but let's let's be honest, Jared Goff not a better quarterback than Carson Wentz but the offense is designed to highlight his strength and not go near his weaknesses. They ran bootlegs play action the entire time and ran it. I think it was through the second quarter. He didn't have an incompletion that entire time they drop him straight back the re time. Him Back, he gets dropping back. Rosen incompletion dropped him back. He has to throw it out 'cause he's under pressure and guess what they stop dropping him straight back after that because it wasn't working like, why are we forcing Carson wentz to be a pocket passer why not highlight what he's good at because guess what it gets defensive confused and it gets you moving stopping. So Bonilla also again, why get away from the run game why I don't understand get Carson of move roll him out, get some ocean involved utilize the run game a little bit better because the fact that I could get could design a better game plan than Doug Peterson has these last two weeks is absolutely put that. Sorry excuse break football team right now. So Ari. Sad. Boom note really honestly, the NFC is horrid. It's not even just annual. I was letting you go on your ramp I. Obviously everything you said was right and going back to how we like. I just am so over him because one of the things I was talking yesterday as I feel like he's still not super bowl high and thinks he's like all the greatest thing ever because tied together that Super Bowl roster when that's the only thing that ever worked out for and then now I he's just kind of like, yeah we'll just be able to get anybody in here and they're just GonNa work and it's just so frustrating 'cause like dude, do your jobs at least semi-good. That's the thing like ultimately like you have one job, your job is to create a championship caliber roster. He has not done that and I hate to use this comparison. The I said this yesterday and I think said earlier I hate to use this comparison but take a look at the Dallas cowboys, for example. They haven't given back a contract yet. They have not given him as money yet but what they have done is they've given him one of the best offensive lines in football gave him an absolute arsenal of weapons drafting CD lamb when they really didn't need another receiver but they went, Hey, you know what? He's here he's the best player available right here and you know what? It'd be a great addition to our offense to help our quarterback. You have Michael Gallup you have Amari Cooper Oh and not to mention one of the best running backs in the NFL and Ezekiel Elliott you've given him all of these weapons and. Top Tier at each of the positions so he can't get it done with those guys. He might not be the guy for that. Right? You look at the Eagles Carson Wentz was getting it done with practice squad players years that they had signed out of nowhere that had never played snaps in the NFL. Course in Wentz was getting it done and took that team to actually defeat Dak. Prescott and all of those weapons. So what can you do for him in return? He showed you what he can do with the rock body like the rock bottom of rock bottom talent, get him some actual talent and build up that offense around him. So we don't have these issues like I don't understand what can I do Howie Roseman job because I think I would do better I think I would do a better job than he is currently. No and I agree with you and I gave him on the salary cap. Everything else no but that's the thing though is like I said, he just plays mental games and Carson I mean even though it sucks that he's another mental player but I think he's proven it after that super bowl year is he's Amando guy and your quarterback has to have a good mentality and then when you just deplete him of everything that he needs to actually. Succeed and then you get his replacement just in case like how is that supposed to give him a good mentality to go win season and think he's going to be the greatest like now kind of gotten a mentality of like I have to prove on this good I have to be great and all that pressure and he doesn't need to have it but how we? Yeah it's it's it's he they. The organization has actively worked against the guy that they gave a hundred million dollar contract to the you're actively done nothing but work against him being successful and it's sickening to watch. It's sickening to watch an eagles fan. I agree. So what out of everything he said, what's your top three reasons that they lost all right I'm gonNA rattle them off really quick because I explain them all. One Doug, Peterson. playcalling slash Carson Wentz to Howie Roseman roster construction three linebackers. So I'm not our offer me but my number one is Freakin Howie Roseman because I'm just so fed up with him and I'm ready for him to just leave and that would be a positive about not being good. This season is just having him go. And then my second is Carson because he did play poorly yesterday and you have to give credit words do and just acknowledge or I guess what's The opposite credit when it's do just acknowledging his failure? I mean whatever? That yeah. The opposite because Carson played poorly and just have to say what it is and then my third I love blind because I didn't know if I want to blame the linebackers more if I wanNA blame Doug Bar. But I think I'm going to split and say dog over linebackers because it's not a gary spot he should be there. That's how it is named. Gary. He's doing the. Is Mary's fault but he? Valuing linebackers not not the linebacker the fact that the linebackers are inadequate is my problem. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I agree with that but my third, I'm GONNA put Doug Peterson playcalling. Barrena. All right. We're GONNA take a quick break. When we come back, we will actually give you are positives of the game we were able to find some once again and then we'll answer listener questions you're listening to the Babes on broad on BGN RADIO BASEBA- truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer Justin Clue. Join me every week along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Drunk. As we discussed all the ways, the phillies have heard us on gas hidden season as well as historical anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribed to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together we'll survive whatever baseball can throw at US SP Nation presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. With your favourite SP nation community leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert, analysis, fantasy, football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the ESPN NATION NFL show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts. So your favorite podcast, APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. Okay. So we gave you all of the negatives even though we could have went on forever, but we kept ashore free guys this time. What were some positives just from yesterday? So the offensive line actually hold their you know what together and played extremely well, they did a really good job kept Carson wentz clean. He did not get sacked yesterday and according to Pf Aaron Donald had his worst rated game since two thousand sixteen. Yeah. That was incredible because that was one of the things that everybody's talking going into the game was the fear of Donald especially with the offensive line's week one performance so it was like. A big concern and then they ended up killing it in a big part of it was Johnson He didn't allow a single pressure, not one pressure, with Aaron, download on the other side of the ball. And a month out of. Surgery. Frontal and that's I. mean his enthusiasm and everything last week he was on the sideline but just having him in there not only talent, but it clearly just makes. so much of everybody's hype in your is the difference maker for sure and. The run game as well. The run game with really good miles and Boston looked old miles after fumbling. They went right back to him which I'm a huge fan of one fumble. You go right back to him to. Go sit down for a little while after fumbling went right back to him and he ended up having a great day. They have the eagles. Had Eleven rushing first downs eight of those by Mile Sanders they had no negative runs no negative yard on place. Props to them, and that's one thing we had the ogre I think for miles yardage when he or pre game, and then he had almost a hundred. So we were almost right. But total purpose he had over one hundred, one, hundred twenty south. Yes. So and I think just rushing he had like five, ninety six. So he was calling now his debut this season. So I'm that goes up from there even yeah and the last positive that I was able to come up with was gave on Wallace kid securing a fumble between his legs. That's what I. Air Recovery. I love that kid and I know I'm biased I've said it before because I love safeties from Clemson. Even though he was on specialty. No. It was huge listen I was had over a couple of people right now you know what I would like to see next week though I would like to see crave on the blog over Nicole Roby Coleman I am not a post. As what's IT GONNA hurt? Yeah. I think crave on could be a positive. We add here next week. Yeah. I like Crepe on I feel like he's always sturdy enough to hold up his end for shows never big difference maker. Yeah. On a bad part. Yeah in a bad way for sure. So let's get into some listener questions que. Question number. One. When do we start questioning? Carson Wentz as As the of the eagles I am. So over some of the replies have gotten my tweet since yesterday of people saying Carson Sucks, he's never been good and all that because it's literally two games understand. It's worrisome because you're just wondering what's happened with him. But come on people at Carson literally was the MVP twenty seventeen before he had any mental issues or anything or anything playing into that factor the come on, it's been two gates. We've we know what he can do and we've seen it. The standard is so high. Grew. Because I think about it in two thousand, sixteen, we were like call. We see some glimpses from this kid like he could be the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles for a while many comes out in two thousand seventeen and he wished he'd let the world on fire, right? So. It was. An absolute bl- It was the biggest blow Philadelphia sports had suffered any years when he tore his acl now granted, they still won the superbowl that year. But like you thought that you this was our year it's all over like it was just so mentally draining when he tore his acl but that he showed us what he is capable of and we haven't seen much of it since and I think that is the that's why people are so angry I don't think they can point to that themselves and be like, yes that's why angry people just get irrationally mad and savor things because I still think it's Completely Asinine to suggest anyone other than Carson Wentz be the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles right now. No one hundred percent agree and that's the thing is like I talked about it in the last thing like I think it's such a big mantle game with him and I know that sucks and especially affiliate local patients for or put. It just like come on, I don't want to say we have to baby, but like you do have to. Not. Make a guy insecure when he's already going through mental issues you know what I mean it's just I'm not ready overall I'm just GonNa say I'm not even ready for those people yet. Maybe give it one. Do you think how many more consecutive batter form ince's until you? I'm not a fan of. Changing at year I'm not a fan of. John, now I'd I don't think like you let him play. Sixteen. I agree. You know figure out. I think the worst possible thing to do would. PUT, would beep to put Jalen, hurts back there I the worst possible thing you could do would be to bench wins in favor of Jalen hurts I think that is the worst decision anybody could make and I think it would just it would have nothing but bad things coming to you after that. I agree. So He's number one. Yes. We can talk about this one. How seat start to get warmth HALLEY's but should be burning. Right now how we is that Leam of that little like cartoon dog or whatever sitting in like fire cabin and everything's on fire around him. Yeah. That's how. Everything, is. Yeah. Yeah. LE- agree how can the Eagles defense perform better if the pass rush is in getting home early? Take Nicole Roby Coleman out. Remember what he was like I'm doing everything I can to help the eagles beat the rams. I think he did the opposite he I. I saw his staff today I think in. He's been targeted nine times allowed nine receptions. Yards, a touchdown and a quarterback rating of one fifty yet by by now, right? I. Jeez. I guess. That's my only solution right now can't get linebackers or. Do anything else much gotta fill in with what we have for this. I, mean among yet at this point, you need to the they they. They just have to get home like. How can the Eagles defense perform better, just perform better I, I like they. Yeah. Defensive Line I. WE talked about this a little bit last week about how everyone wants to freak out about Fletcher Cox not having the numbers in there but. We saw him flying around a little bit last week. But at some point they they have to get home they have to wreak havoc. They have to cause some problems because I don't think that their like secondary's better this year for sure the secondary I'm not ready to fire them into the sun yet. linebackers are so bad that if you have a tight end out there and you're you're relying on a linebacker coverage that's not happening with this group, not even a little bit. It's it's it's not and I mean Don't get me started on how we could have Jordan. Hicks. Comma Garage Hill literally eljay Ford Out. Of Scoop score yesterday it may be to watch. He's just doing nothing but earning a contract extension that they already gave him Baltimore yet, and they literally cut him in favor of cop pick and Nathan. Gary. I can't. I think we kind of answered this question Doug Carson Howie, who was all at fault all of them. Very much. But how number one leaves her Yep. Management will see linebacker isn't important physician God I. Wish I could tell you I thought they would have with Jordan Hicks. I am I don't know I feel like it's kind of always been a franchise thing. Overall to so do knows who knows I tomorrow would be my ideal answer. Why did the Eagles keep hurting me when I show them nothing but love you know I donate cleats? Because I think not enough people to show them. Love a lot of people just show them a lot of hatred. There's a lot of no actually a lot of anger now there, and that's the thing I even I think tweeted something wise everybody just ready Delays Fire Carson. Into this on win, it's literally been two games and so many people replied back the fact that everybody always philly fans have been so. Like isolated in their own homes, is the reason that most of them think that everybody's just like. Attack Mode. and. I guess. Yeah I guess that's the reason why but. As far as us we show nothing but love and we don't get anything back either so it's fine between are harder. What do you think is the most glaring gap on the offensive side of the ball I don't know I like offensive line. Played Well Sam Molly we have to see what his injuries saw going on. I are they didn't. They said what it was as a Monday at five twenty, four PM. Believe they've said specifically what it is, but I D is going on the air. Yes. So maybe offensive line how but I think my number one thing would be to just get like an actual big-name receiver because right now our biggest name receiver is Sean Jackson who's low managed. And it makes no sense to like just give me a big receiver. I really think a for me the most the biggest gap on the offensive side of the ball to be really honest right now is Doug. Peterson? And his play calling I think it's been absolute garbage. I mean I, think I think too many people are going after Carson before doug and I don't think that's necessarily the right move. I mean I retweeted the the today was the clip of Doug talking to John Lynch before they played the forty niners in two thousand seventeen and Doug's like the way this kid prepares he's unbelievable work so hard and he's done some great things and John Lynch is like yeah, he's special. Doug goes as long as we don't mess him up bad, right. And it like it hurts again, I don't think they've done him. Any favors yet I of said that's. What are your thoughts on using jalen hurts as a gadget player. Might as well. Man You spend your second round pick on at least get him something. I don't know I would love to have thoughts on using jalen hurts as a gadget player, but three plays a decoy does not count. Y book use him if you're going to spend a second round draft, pick on him, use him in somewhat use him in some capacity I figure it out. You're supposed to rate offensive mind Doug, figure it out, figure it out and make it work because there's no reason it shouldn't work. That's just my motto for this right. Now I don't care what figure it out just figure it out like I don't care figure it out. The last question we got did not write this down yet but because it just came in how many games until they put Jalen hurts in its starting quarterback I refuse to answer that question because I think it's Asinine was it your fiance at wrote it she Oh. He is on my list how ignored Howie Roseman Joe Taylor. Like. On my list here he's I don't think. He doesn't what Carson to not do. Well, I think he is just starting to like wrap his head around what he thinks the inevitable waits. He's tied up at him in the first place why they drafted Jalen hurts in the first place. But yet JOE's on my list to. Rightfully so They need to figure it. And keep saying we're GONNA figure this out over figure it out. I'm just. Doug just figuring out yet not even answering the question because I hope it never happens. I'm with you. There I'm with you there but that's it. For Episode Thirty Eight. Thank you as always for listening to us, scream and rant and complain of. Subscribe and follow US everywhere at all the places. Sam told you in the beginning of the show as always thank you be nation and bleeding green nation. We will come back to you later this week to break down the week three matchup with the Eagles and the bengals. 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BGN Radio #58: The Joe Douglas Round Table

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BGN Radio #58: The Joe Douglas Round Table

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If you haven't already figured it out from the episode title, we also wanted to do this show to make up for not having BGN radio on Friday morning for you last week. But what you've got instead was a kissed and Solex show in reaction to the Carson Wentz extension. So obviously that in some other outside factors. Shuffled the schedule a bit. But make sure you listen to the kissing so elect show episode ninety eight to get updated if you haven't yet. Introducing the other gentlemen, all be talking with today. I up the supreme leader of bleeding greed nation. He is Brandon league out and follow him on Twitter ever ahead and gallon, Bill, g. How you doing, brother? You are flying high on the kissed and select. I had to do it. Then you, you threw it at the end of last s views me for a good second there. It was like wait wise the podcast restoring, so you got me. Good by you. Yeah. Exciting time to be here with you guys. Lot of good deals happening in the world. I would say the Carson Wentz one being among them out, boxing, deal being another. So a lots of good stuff out there. Looking forward to talk to you about absolutely next up. The man who has already spoken up in who hasn't had a bad day. Nine years, the prodigy the squirrel master. He has Benjamin select follow his work at the draft network dot com and bleeding green nation dot com. Volume on Twitter at Benjamin. So like that's S L egg Kate Ben how're you doing brother Navin? You get this is one of the last five sl record center Chicago resign about me moving before the show. But it's exciting stuff in south now I'm excited because the eagles have a franchise quarterback through four and that's still good news. Full five days later now we're going to touch on Carson Wentz, probably at the end of the show here. But look this is why were. I hear it has been an arduous saga to get us to this point finally here. Joe Douglas the eagles vice president of player personnel is taking the general manager job with the New York Jets and not without some convincing needed. Apparently, Adam Schefter had this to say the night of the hiring, quote jets, just would not take no as an answer from Joe Douglas. He tried to turn them down each time. He did. They came back at him harder and harder jet simply were not going to be denied in their efforts to Landy. Former eagles vice president of player personnel, unquote. It's a six year deal for Douglas who gets full roster control. That means he is in charge of the draft free agency all the other acquisitions, he'll be working with head coach Adam gays trying to build a winner there in New York, and before we talk about who else might be working with him there in terms of those who may follow him Bill. There's been no really surprises from this this, this is something that had been talked about for a while, and NFL circles. And in the media, I do find it interesting that it took such a big push from New York. Get it done. It also happened shortly after Brian gain got fired after only seventeen months as the Houston Texans, general manager, try and tell me that wasn't in part because of them being jumped by the eagles for Andre Dillard liar. But bill. Gee, what was your reaction to Joe? Douglas finally, moving onto the New York Jets in. We know that Joe Douglas the Texans wanted to interview him back in two thousand seventeen and heels blocked that clear still in the playoffs at the time. So I'm sure that didn't help our didn't hurt them. Delicious motivations there all the sudden, maybe, you know, the jets are trying to go after Joe Douglas, and there's no other GM Dobbs opened in the Texans entered the fray. And they're like, okay. No, we really need to get this done, but also, we're gonna lose them. And that's such a silly thing to write like to, to quibble over, like money for GM like you can pay like there's no cap space on office, guys, you can pay them as much money as you want to the bargaining over. That seems kind of silly to me. NFL teams are really struggling in these streets. Biaggi. Yeah. Especially like, you know, the jets. A major media market team. You know, you have to fill out for them, so they, they got through Douglas. It's expected. I think it's not great. You know, for the eagles to be losing him in the sense that they've done. Well, when the has been here, and you've had stability and biolo- counts. We know that Joe Douglas is a guy who at the very least, you know, you can question it. It's hard to parse exactly Ryan's roster which decisions were his in what he deserves credit for what he doesn't deserve credit for. But what we do know is that he was a guy who didn't cause trouble. And that's you know, there's value in that in front office, because you have guys in dysfunctional front offices and empower plays in power struggles and everything. So we know that Jodi, this wasn't one of those guys in he did seemingly have a good working relationship with Halle resident, so there is value in that and to lose that hurts. I also think that they could potentially be losing some other guys that Douglas brought from Baltimore to Philly now could be going to essentially to the jets so you lose some more of those front office members in the already lost, Wayne Joseph. Your director pro scouting by all accounts done a pretty good job recently to the raiders. So you're losing some front office talent. It's not just Douglas. It's kinda it could be a couple of guys. I just think that's not the most ideal thing. It's not like you're gonna see some huge impact in that regard this year. But something demo line. It's just like a priority. I think deals like have to get some more bodies into the front office in kinda riphil these holes that are being created here. Yeah. Before we talk about the exodus, which penalize you about next. What was your reaction Ben to the Joe Douglas deal? Was there any surprises there for you at all or any specific takeaways that might not be obvious? I this story about the jets and them being different on Douglas with money than being the debris, J, Mike them getting him to say. Yes like that. Like they just basically kept on up off until the African refuse firstly big ups on Joe Douglas get in the bag. Joe Doug's get on line again. Thanks for failing health. What is your ball plays on eighteen season? Very glad. Douglas again. His really excited for him to come back in twenty twenty one after the jets inevitably full yet again because Adam gates their head coach Belichick omega. You can't young man like way to do it. But it's all true. I mean yeah, like if you if you really need to empty the Bank to convince the guy who has been waiting for general manager spot for years to come be your general manager now either says, number one your roster and coaching staff lows number two your owner blows or three both do end like when you look at the jets like that might be the situation where nobody really likes the, the owner should bear. Obviously, there's concerns in terms of working with Adam gates in so I don't I'm very I would love to hear white for Douglas was it just a matter of getting, what you're worth, like I end, listen like when you're a general manager, you know, your head coach your bad head coach get fired. You can go get yourself a head coaching gig in another three years. You know what I mean? You can find your way back into something Kevin Clark and Robert Mays. We're talking about on the ringer NFL show, your general manager and you blow it you gotta. Spend a long time as a senior personnel executive bop-in from place to place or you can really get a second shot. But, you know, I'm not surprised it took a lot to get Douglas given the current state of the jets roster. We obviously know about the money. I wonder if like there was a discussion about, like listen, how many years of leeway do I get in terms like this is a multi year process? And that's when it's gonna take because you hate to see Doug was go just an awful spot with bad ownership, bad coaching, and just get burned, even if he does a decent job when eventually they clean house, and then they, he's not able to secure a job again. So I it's very fascinating how much effort the jets had to put it to go. Get kinda what that means to the state of the jets franchise and for Douglas really picking his spine terms of where am I gonna take this risk and end make the jump to be one of the thirty two. It'd be an gentlemen, gentleman. United expanding on why Douglas may have been so hesitant. I think that's a great point in. I wanna follow up on that. So why was he hasn't take the job to begin with put simply this is a risk for him? And I'll quote from Dan happened here, friend of the show, he's going to be on the radio later on. This week, former NFL scout with the eagles in jets now, director of the scouting academy. He says in his two thousand nineteen and a fell general manager candidate study for inside the pylon, quote, the NFL is the stingiest in professional sports at giving GM's a second chance, family to take into account, the potential for growth and development that comes with having done the job before while head coaches Bill check checkup, the opportunity to learn from the stakes and benefit from years of experience making tough decisions, GM's rarely get a second chance, some hall of fame GM's, like Ernie Coursey and Bill Polian lead multiple franchises. But that came off a platform of early success had been continues. Recent history may be helpful here as John Dorsey. And Dave Gettleman provide owners with reason example, so unquote unless he's able to find some success at his new landing spot very often. These general manager gigs are one strike, and you're out type gigs, so you can see why, especially with some of the organizational tumult happening in New York over the recent years, that he would want to make sure that the swing. That he takes counts and he can succeed or fail on his terms. And he obviously feels like he got control that gives him that opportunity. Now with that could come some departures on the eagles side of things because there are several in the front office in Philadelphia that have a long history with Douglas that are probably, quote unquote his guys and not how his guys for instance director of player personnel, Andy YTL player, personal coordinator, Casey YTL, and then there's also player personnel, executive TJ, McRae and director of college. Scouting in Cunningham Ben. How worried are you about an exodus? And do you think the eagles are built to stand these losses like, oh, hey, worried is tough like, because I think that a lot of good personnel guys will want or in Philadelphia. If jobs open rice, restarting their, like a, let's say, why does gone otherwise has gone. Let's say McRae's gone. Let's say cutting, I'm gone. All the big names like that are connected a dog west lead. They had Donohoe was done there. Tom Donahoe has been a senior personnel guy. Hi, with how we for while have Anthony passes been a senior personnel Howie for a while. They'll remain as you have a little bit of coherency there. The issue is now the guys that you're going to have to bring in to take care of the personnel side of the house. You have to make sure they're in line with the way that Harry likes to do things, and that's the really big thing here. I think it was Jim Nagy the director of the senior will had a tweet when Douglas moved to the jets, which was basically like rosement deserves a lot of credit for the centers that he had with Douglas that was obviously deserves credit as well. But like the eagles had a bit of a divided house. Let's remember Howie Roseman is not the general manager of Philadelphia Eagles easy, executive vice president of a ball operations. Like they, you know they have full operations in scouting. And they had how who was the final say undoubtedly while Douglas had a lot of autonomy in his side of the house in his building is featured, right? Like, you know Douglas had a lot of controllable on their Douglas leaves. You have to put a guy in charge of the scouts and sergeant the film aspect of things, and then fill out from beneath him underneath. His assistance in the scouts guys who are coherent with Roseman theory on roster building, because like one of the main things that's kind of come out here with Douglas being highly rich cimini of ESPN have a report about this. It's been rumored about like how much of an analytics guy is Douglas now. He's divorced from Rosemead, right? Like we haven't this is our first time seeing him host, Roseman free Roseman Douglasville, a football guy when they brought him in it was good is having a football guy. We not jumped out of the football guy, number news, a future GM when now like how he's the guy who, so gears team captains deal. You know, you're seeing all the stuff, but how much does the analytics blood it? So what I would love to see 'em when I think, makes a lot of sense, is you circle in my m is TJ McCray. And you circle Andy YTL in, you say if we can keep Waddell, he right now is director of player personnel was Douglas's number two, if we can promote him to Douglas job. That's the most seamless transition, Anna gives us, our best chance to retain, guys like in cutting empty democrat, and also in case you while his brother. You know what I mean? Like we have the. Keeping so clear if why does gone wild spin Douglas's number two for like years, or whatever. Right. Right mccray. Who's ran out player personnel executive is the most interesting name to me while McRae work, but the ravens in the early two thousands, he was the director of college doubting in indie two thousand twelve thousand sixteen and everybody knows the name right now. But is her to Andrew berry, who was brought in recently this year, the ideas, he's being groomed for being Hirose number two? He was in Indianapolis for the five years that MacRae was there. And so if you have Barry innocent of position, if he can keep McRae, will the now, I think McRae's in easy transition to Dungs Ajab underestimate you lose lose widely as well. And that gives you the ability to keep a lot of these guys who are of the Douglas Mon during the Douglas school of player scouting, and that's the thing is like, if they lose everybody that's bad, but they can get new guys in the building. What worries me isn't guys who know how to watch film, miss the coherency of being able to work with Roseman who is not a regular general manager. Right, does not approach things the way that typical. Mallender do onto the names. I circle widely as you know the blue Lahser. He's the big you keep him you pretty much be battery buddy. If not him, I think teaching McRae's, the guy circle because the late show with Andrew berry, and the final note, Andrew berries, everybody highlights him as a guide to prepare for the departure of Douglas, and he does have playing background and does favors no background. But he's made his hey, coming up in the sky world as an analytic sky. That's what he's known for. That's that's his approach. Rosement can put him in a prominent position him being in the building is not bad with the eagles need a king of zome heads, they need that guy unless they're gonna restructure whether the front office lost which the old different conversation. And so Barry can't step into Douglas job, you might seven Douglas's title, but he can't step into Douglas's job into his role, keeping the coherency of how the front offices structure, which has worked very well for the eagles, twenty sixteen when Rosen was established, obviously Douglas comes into your later on to keep the structure and the coherency that the all the mindset says the same philosophy as the same that's was. And so the exodus is worrisome for that reason. It's not that, you know, visual visual, better film, watchers than the other foam. Watch soon. Be available eagles. Have a unique front office structure in has remained coherent. And so you really need guys, you know, buying this, ascendant work. Well, with Rosen's philosophy, let's expand on that list continue on that thought about who could fill Douglas spot as executive vice president player personnel now as you mentioned bend. It could be as simple as sliding berry into that title can also be YTL Mary has a background in pro scouting analytics, and now we'll get capitalists from Roseman who's one of the best doing right now. Let's see if we can get another name out of you Bill G as a potential replacement and you can answer this in two parts. I do think it will be Andrew berry or Andy YTL as the likely choice for the eagles with an house promotions. Second who do you believe is another name that they could target from maybe outside the organization were name that we haven't mentioned yet? So I have a couple of thoughts about this whole of this replacement thing because. I think the goals could go in a lot of different ways in terms of either internal promotion or not even necessarily really formerly hiring anyone Douglas or maybe even just for a year to kind of keep the structure, they have. And then see if there's someone they like next year. I think why don't Ashley has to be like the guy start with just because he was Joe Douglas's second in command, seemingly. And so maybe you kind of do a thing where even if it's just for one year in, like the goal is to keep him on to have that continuity for this year. And then maybe he gets to leave the eagles after this year, enjoying the jets next year if he wants to go, follow Douglas or you could say to him, the opportunity is better here, obviously because you're it's not like he, he would have to answer to this at this point. He could of be his own man in somewhat more of a way, I think, with the eagles, so I would definitely keep an eye out for why del out the berry thing is interesting because I think, you know, he gets painted as analytics guy because he was at the Browns, but you know, he does have football experience football guy experience. On his resume, actually it's like a, you know, the things on Lincoln football the ball. Yes. He's a football guy. A couple of the other names that are out there that I would keep an eye on based on connections that have been talked about, or we've known in the past there's three main names. Okay. So we'll start with one that will not have illustrations feeling great. And that is Ryan Grigson. We know we, we know Ryan Greeson yest- work with Howie Roseman, before he ultimately became general manager of the colts Greeson is somewhere out there in the NFL Seattle. See, I don't get yet. He's like some kind of so we'll see if that's a possibility. I think Brian gain, you know, as you mentioned, bin is definitely name to watch considering he just got fired as a DM in eagles interviewed him as a GM candidate in two thousand fifteen the have interest in him. And as you were talking about the ravens connection there than an aim that is out there. The I wonder about is Daniel, Jeremiah the. NFL network. So me goes, think back to win before the eagles higher. Joe douglas. Jimmy Kamsky reported that yields actually wanted to hire Daniel, Jeremiah, for that job like that was how he's guy Halley one of them the impression I think, was that Louis you're whoever was like, no. Like you have to get someone who is not that guy because I guess, like the Larry or whoever might have felt like like that was too much of how he's guy any kind of wanted someone who not to say, yes, man. Not saying that DJ would be a yes man. But just, you know that could have been the perception so out keep an eye on Jeremiah to he has those ravens connections. So maybe that helps eagles retain some of those highs who also have those ravens connections in the organization. So there are some names out there and again, I don't even know for sure if they're going to fill the spot. But I'm of going to be interested to see who choose if they choose someone Ben do you have a follow up on that somebody from the outside? Maybe someone that build you already mentioned. But what are your thoughts? Yeah. Will so firstly algae, stole my like Ryan Grigson. Darkhorse things. Well, here's a here's here's the fascinating. But here's what's interesting to me, the will have a very successful office. Now it's not a very successful from office in the typical way which means that, like we're on chartered waters. But when you look at a more typical successful, long term success lineup of our offices. I think about like the Ron Wall Street Green Bay right? Or even like you would bring up the Ozzie news tree. In, in Baltimore, Ron wool, you know, he brought up Ted Thompson measure place in John Schneider. John Dorsey Scott clue in was a regimen Kenzi now. You've like Brian goons, like this are all these, like very significant personal names, all came from from coming up through this Elliott will treat right? And when you look at it like with ravens agreements loss, Joe Douglas, who was heir-apparent replacing with Eric DeCosta, who has also been the, the, the ravens nucleus in their system for like twenty years as a scout right in the he replaces Ozzy use Mondays from retires. If you, they the eagles brought in. This year and berry Amelie gets tagged in the media as all right? He's going to be how he's number two. He can be a central future NFL dental manager, less than if you keep bringing in big names, like let's bring in Daniel shirt, Lyle, and the eagles continue to be successful in front office things in his signing extensions unmaking rate trades being good frequency in drafting, well, which draft meals, even arguable, but drafting easily germ is gonna get hired journal mattress somewhere. Right, if you continue to bring in big name outside guys in a media installed on into top positions. Number one, they're gonna get hired away. Number two. It's going to be harder to fill out your middle to lower level jobs, because those not gonna feel like there's a place for vertigo escalation. So my thing is you ask him about the exit us in this kind of pops off of that point. My favorite candidate is X person who's in house like honestly, like not. I don't care. But like I don't know a lot about like Anthony Andrew batch Anthony patch. I don't really know it's on about, like how big is really no. You know how great of a scouter album walking is in brain around like this. I'm just reading the eagles for office chart right now. I don't know how good they are that. They're coherency, how well they work with, with how will they lead not, whether we're gonna step, I don't know this. But if you want to be able to keep stability in the personnel side of your front office, you have to be able to show number one when scouts come in there's the room for growing avenue guy like Anthony Patrick now. Patch was a know west coast scout two thousand three or something. And then he was with how alway less during the then came back was how it was back, right? Like you need to show those, the room for growth is the room to get better jobs. Get new jobs. You know, being able to, to grow up, you need to be able to show that when those people do that he can get into these top jobs, and you will continue to be successful. Otherwise, like, you know, like you don't want your approach to vice president, player personnel, and vice president of operations to be like your approach to third safety. You know, she's been like bringing in, like MC veteran free agents who are cheap. I mean obviously it's not a one embarrassing but it's a lot easier plugged. Back in to continue to cycle those guys, you have one year off in the front office. It has massive ramifications for multiple years, in terms of, like, you know, just one bad contract. And really sink, you I would like to see really, really desperately an house promotion to be able to continue to cycle guys into the front office to retain the same scouts promote guys, you know, fit within the philosophy instead of what has been the model so far since two thousand seventeen with a lot of outside hires obviously, had reset the front office after the chip Kelly scorched earth. I get that. But now let's show some stability, let's give let's do some in house promotions. Maybe that'll help us protect guys like Dwayne Joseph's like the, the tray Brown, Trey Burke of on his name. He's also gone like less protect some of these guys. Let's keep our good personnel guys in the building. What's show that there's room for promotions here that when we were more consistent with our bonds are doing scouting. We never have to relearn this whole process once every two years, every three years now we're gonna continue to talk about that threat as far as what it could. Be like for the eagles trying to bring bring in people from the outside the keep it in house, and move people up vertically that wakes. That's a great point. We're gonna continue on that thread after the break here, here on BGN radio episode fifty eight will be right back. Hi. This is Jim in this fax. Check out our podcast. Step over Willoughby ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs analysis game breakdowns with a coal Senate headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcast feed on I tunes Stitcher sponsored by or ever, you get your favorite podcasts, and check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. And we are back on BG and radio episode fifty eight. We're talking about Joe Douglas. I am Michael kissed here with Benjamin Sollac and Brandon league out in all of bleeding green nation. So let's continue on the thought that Ben had before the break because we always talk things like is Philadelphia, an attractive landing spot for free agents, for example, when my question is, and Ben kind of talked about a sort of carrot and stick situation. Not unlike the, the Roman political system, that created, so many great men is Philadelphia unattractive landing spot for aspiring general managers, and it doesn't necessarily have to be for Joe Douglas's spot right now just as far as filling up the front office roles. So Joe Douglas, for example, have the opportunity to learn from Ozzie, Newsome, infill savage, when it came to evaluating talent, then got a masterclass in salary cap manipulation from Howie Roseman that has all of the ingredients of a successful general manager and it was all cultivated, you know, the, the end part of that was cultivated in Philadelphia to kind of fill out his resume, you look at. Andrew berry, who has a similar track? And if the eagles continued to be successful, I could see him becoming a very hot name soon. So it should be too difficult for the eagles sandal these losses and they're pretty equipped to deal with them to begin with as this is something that they foresaw. But going back to the question that I posed is Philadelphia. Bill G is Philadelphia, an attractive landing spot for aspiring, general managers, no matter what the role in which they come in under, I would think, so. And I think the Douglas higher certainly helps with that. You know, and they can point to, hey, you know you come here. You buy your time you do good work. And all of a sudden they're gonna get an opportunity in a few years out of the gentleman is or yourself and just even looking at the environment that eagles have in terms of lure e being an owner who doesn't strike me as a guy who's not going to pay the money for top notch run off his guys. I mean, that's again kind of what I said earlier about the jets being silly about them, not eating Douglas potentially like there's no salary cap on front office guys, you convey them, whatever. So I would hope and I would think that Larry would be willing to pay. So I don't. I think money would be an object. And I think you look at how he Roseman, and I think his reputation is repaired because there was a while there, where it was kinda like, okay how he isn't necessarily working well with people, and you kind of have to worry about him, and how that's gonna work, and I think, Douglas being able to have the success that he did alternately in go onto the jets job, you kinda signals that their stability here, there is a functioning front office in if Joe Douglas in how he rose can get together. You know, the hope is other executives could get together as well. And then that's not even to mention the quality of the roster which is good and a quarterback in place, which is also very good. And the fact that not only is he talented in that subjective. He's signed through twenty twenty four now and, you know, have you ever found out the sky coming in here like great in the quarterback? The hardest part is figured out, and I think anyone who is aspiring to rise through the ranks would want to come to Philly and maybe talking about this point that you guys mentioned earlier about how you have these DM's who the go to a situation in. Doesn't work out. Maybe they kinda left too soon, or whatever, maybe that this is the perfect place for them to kind of repair their image in back in kind of fix that. So in that sense, I you're almost a good spot to kind of get those guys who didn't work out somewhere. We can hopefully come to Philly in kind of be good in assistant role like Bryan gain or maybe like a Ryan rigs in you on include him. That's something to consider as well. I think this ability and talent is definitely a big selling point winning teams get poached, if the eagles are likely to be on the winning side of things depending on the different degrees of it, but they're going to be on the winning side of things in the foreseeable future bend you have any follow up thoughts on that, as far as the attractiveness for a front office guy to come to Philadelphia. Even if it isn't for GM role by he might take a lesser role. Seeing that there is a clear ladder. Therefore him a heck. Yeah. I mean like this this team's gonna win games. And that you, you the number one thing you need to be general manager is to be in a high personnel role while the team wins games. Like, that's that's the formula. It's simple. That's the signal. Right. And then there's other bizarre this, it's onto say guys who are in bad programs. They'll get hired up belief thinks they're gonna everything. But, like, if you see, like, like I said, I don't think the eagles have drafted that good over the past few years. But Joe does the manner the jets? Now, obviously, he's been a name that's been around general manager circles for a while. But, like let's say two years later, Andrew berry gets hires journal match. The happens within the eagles will produce to NFL gentlemen, general manager hires. In the last four years based exclusively off of zoo, rule in two thousand seventeen and hopefully more deeply runs then in leaks circles, they'll be more clarity on what barriers done. With Douglas was done, but that the signal of winning stronger than anything else long as you've been close to Roseman, and everybody respects, Roseman inlands eagles. Ski winning on Rosen's formula. I wanna bring you into the building just to hear about what, how he's doing behind the scenes, just like let me know what the what the secret is. I'll work off at sauce. And so, I absolutely agree. I think into really desirable location for guys who are probably more transient guy. Who wanted to be a stop on their road to accent? So that's why. Yeah. That's, that's where I get worried about the nature that you will front office kind of becoming a revolving door. But absolutely think it's desirable approach. You oughta take. So I think we covered a lot of different angles here with Joe Douglas, hiring in leaving for the New York Jets. Let, let's move on to a point where that we talked about on the kissing select show episode ninety eight Brandon, we haven't gotten your thoughts, yet, other than the written content. The great written content over at bleeding greenish dot com. But me in Ben have had our chance to sound off about the Carson Wentz four year extension that keeps them with the eagles in two thousand and twenty four. What are your thoughts on the extension? I'm gonna assume I'm going to take a stab at it. I'm gonna assume that you're a fan. Yeah. I think that's safe to say. I think it's a decent deal. It's fine. It's you know, that's pretty solid. I mean, the timing wasn't great. But that's for. I don't really care about the for those who don't know obviously, we weren't posting are doing things on Thursday. Eagles decided to clearly an a move targeted right yet. Mean probably exactly what they're thinking about to mess with me to nounce that news on Thursday night, but yeah, seriously. I think it's I mean, I've been saying on Bijan radio John Stolnis. Aloft seems like to me, there was no reason not to sign him to an extension as soon as possible. Somebody read the flow chart someone reading the flow chart and that was really good bungling. But like seriously, what was the reason to not silently? I didn't the only hold up. The I saw was Carson Wentz potentially wanting to wait, and if that's the case like he can't really control that, if he doesn't want to sign a deal. That's in front of them. I mean, you can't force his hand, although I would argue that there had to be a price where it was lucrative enough where he couldn't ask on it. I think the eagles, ultimately got there and they use the fact that I don't know if they directly did this, but I'm thinking, like they gave him a tempting offer. In put it out there, knowing that, okay Carson Wentz like you've had injury issues. So even know this isn't the best way to maximize your value. If you strictly wanna nickel and dime, everything in do it her husband's did, obviously, you know try to play your leverage out as best as you possibly can Carson Wentz could have done that he could have met on himself. He could have waited. But, you know, the instant security there has that's valuable like to, to just get one hundred twenty million dollars put in front of you and viewed except that, like, that's, that's great. You have your Carson Wentz like that's a very good thing to do. And if you wait, if you're the eagles l g you don't have the opportunity with all this cap space that they've created for this year in twenty millions. You don't have the ability to move some of that cap room to that year and kind of lighten the low for the rest of the contract. It's huge NFL another reason to get it done. Now, you know, you, you have some people out here being will they didn't need to rush into this they could awaited. I mean yeah they could've. But. It would have costed more. The fact that you can have Carson Wentz at this rate over the next six years. Now enjoy abandoned did a really good job of talking about this on the rich Eisen show where he was talking about, basically, like if you look at where this person wins contract is going to be down the line. He kinda framed it in a way that arsenal this in that sixty six million fully guaranteed at signing, which Carson Wentz gotten this new deal. Joe banner was talking. Well, he was gonna make thirty one million anyway guaranteed over these next two years, even if the Amazon extension like you know, he was ready here. Yeah. So thirty five million is really what they gave him. Additionally, and he was like to do that. And to get this quarterback in place for the next six years for just like that extra thirty five million dollar guaranteed money, which is half of what Khalil Mack got is the way he he framed it? Like that's that's does make sense in. He said, in the best case scenario, you have a quarterback for six years in today's market. For a very reasonable price. And I think that's what it comes down to like this. This is a bargain of a deal, like it might not seem that way, when you look at one hundred twenty eight million dollars, and obviously whence has to live up to expectations. Like it's not a bargain if he plays horrible. It's not a bargain if he gets hurt, but that's part of what this tastes like this. There's risk in any kind of move and any kind of contract that there is and what you're doing here is you're betting on Carson Wentz. And I think that's a key point here that I want to emphasize like Carson Wentz is a guy worth betting on you. Don't know there's so many, there's so many things that are uncertain. Nothing is just like a simple as like you give this guy money. And you know it's gonna work out one hundred percent. Like, that's not how it works. How many guys in the NFL how many quarterbacks come into the NFL with that type of talent at that position is that it's so you're playing the percentages. And that's something we obviously know that eagles front office likes to do decisions. Are you cannot? Yes. And Carson Wentz is a guy who you've seen his upside. I mean this is. What it comes down to for me. Ten the eagles be in position to win the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz the answer. Yes. Like we've seen it literally saw it happened. Now are someone's didn't finish the job himself. I get it any needs to prove he can do that. But we know for a fact that arsenal winds can play well enough to where he puts the eagles in very good position to be able to win the Super Bowl and that is the goal. So we know that we know the upside is there. We also know his character. This isn't a guy who's going to go out and get in trouble or do something stupid. And even though they're the yes, there were the locker room concerns and that something on Carson Wentz admitted to his credit. And I think even you look at so you look at that you look at his willingness to kind of work on himself not only as a person in that regard. But also for him to go into this year changing his diet in changing some of his routines, like that shows you to me like this is a guy that is willing to work on things. And I think that's why the drafted this guy he goes in draft Carson Wentz and. Trade up for him at number two because they thought he was perfect in. He had no flaws of that player doesn't exist. There's always players have false. They saw a guy that had flaws and they said, okay. I know because of this guy's mental makeup in how he's wired. I'm comfortable bidding on him to fix those things. And that's what it comes down to. I think ultimately not only with drafting him, but the contract extension here, it's like this is a guy who has some issues, but the upside is worth it. Justifies the risk in that's absolutely how I feel about it. So to me, it's a pretty good bet. So I'm glad you got the opportunity to sound off on that. I think that's gonna do it for this for this show for bijon radio episode fifty eight let's import the ending here of the kissing Solex show into this. Let's bent out Ben, if you have anything to add to the to the winds conversation, you can but overall, I want you to say goodbye to the gentlest news now, yet, the only thing that kept coming to mind when she was talking about the lens thing was simply, like, if you're gonna tell me the eagles shouldn't be spending twenty six million. Per year on Carson. You gotta tell me who you'd rather have them spend the money on because what's the alternative, yet the this quarterbacks on hippie agency so that money's not going anybody else? But thank you, as always for listening to the Kistins so like Bijan radio show, special here on the radio show that this was, if you enjoy this Dallas in, I tunes and the ratings with the reviews on the stars only five, not four at six, if you can do six that'd be goal. But that'd be dope. They would have them at a whole new column on the thing, which is a row actually, they have that whole new. Roach is a lot. But we'd be screwed with all the five star ratings would knock style. We would look so bad a six. Yeah. We would look Stefan. Yeah. Only five just keep we don't even want. We don't even want to introduce sex. Wanna look good. It'd be five. I big inhale I'm Benjamin. So I got to advocate like Asian Brennan, the gallon, upright again at its geo WTO ambiguities than Fouts key. I. S T. There are other episodes of this by guests. Never we our friends goodbye forever. We all we got. We all we need fly eagles fly. Heck yeah. Y'all got out price ago snake with shoulder. So all frozen. Eight six. We'll get a ball today. Gee.

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The podcast pick to ask how warsaw peterson all the old the old listeners keller and already in new york they remember i am beer your dear reader to tell you how angry you are. In case you don't know can reach me eighty eight say. Espn eight to nine. Three seven. Seven six max. Kellerman show presented by progressive insurance guests. Join me on. The goodyear hotline. It's a new year good year not the bad year that was last year the goodyear hotline twenty twenty one i. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless look. I was at super bowl. Fifty two okay. I watched how nick foles. Doug peterson and the entire eagles organization beat a patriots team. That did not punt. Once the entire game and tom brady who threw for over five hundred yards and three with zero interceptions. I was at that game. Hey good seats. The culture of that eagles team who lost their starting quarterback was season and successfully rallied around his backup. Made the super bowl win possible. What we witnessed last night was the polar opposite of the fabric of that super bowl win. And it's further proof. That doug peterson and how he rose gotta go. I mean from a giants fans point of view guys. I am big blue to the bone from giants fans point of view. I was livid but let me tell you something i would understand. There's so much to get into the fact. That peterson and roseman are still. There should have been out. This morning is outrageous. Let me explain. Why look i savage the jets new york right when they couldn't get out of their own way and get the number one overall pick. This is different. The jets haven't really been relevant since super bowl three okay. It's the last time the jets were actually relevant. Let's be honest. The eagles are vastly different franchise but from giants fans point of view. I would even understand if you were if the eagles were playing on some team. That's not a divisional rival and they have a chance to stick it to the giants by losing and get the number one overall pick in the process. Right there's some transformational quarterback that everyone believes is going to be one of the all time greats and you can keep the giants out of the playoffs by kind of tanking. I will sit there and go. You know what eagles this is. Why hate you but the competitive fan would actually respect it you know. This is not that. The eagles were playing divisional. Rival with a chance head-to-head tanakh yet team out of the playoffs. Why do you think the league flexed. At the prime time they flextech into primetime. It wasn't originally prime time because the playoff implications that's why that's why and they tried to lose. When you saw the injury report before the game miles sanders and fletcher cox and all these guys like. Okay we get it. You're trying not to win in your in your infinite wisdom. The harry rose trying to move up from nine to six howie roseman who hasn't drafted a pro bowl player not a single pro bowl player since he drafted carson wentz five years ago half a decade ago. He drafted a pro bowl player. Nonsense then that howie roseman. He needs to move from nine to six. Stay with that. He's better off at nine because the guy he wanted to take or go to someone else he'll wind up with a better player look roseman and peterson surrendered whatever remaining stature and credibility they had from that super bowl win by perpetrating. The most handed tank in nfl history and why for three spots in the draft by the way. Let's not forget the ultimate teammate. Carson wentz chose the morning of the last regular season game to leak in my opinion had another report that he wants to philadelphia and his relationship with peterson his fractured beyond repair boy at some delays. That kid by by the way. If not for sam darnold jets fans who eclipsed him by one tenth of a quarterback rating point whence would be the worst starting quarterback in the league set donald by one tenth of rating point on the jets. But with all that and so the optics wouldn't be impossibly obvious and a lead that genuinely values competitive integrity. They did play hurts because what could hurt reasonably do without standards goddard and playing their six seven tackles and the depth chart against good washington defensive line and by the way it looks like it was going to work right they were like rolling over washington's up ten nothing and they'd be they're going to get run out of their own building. I think it seems to me peterson. Roseman wanted but despite all that hurts the defense played their guts out for outgoing defensive coordinator. Jim swartz they had other plans hurts. Put put together two drives culminating in two rushing touchdowns and a brief lead down only three following the eagles defense getting another turnover deep in washington territory. And by the way. I'm not even going after peterson for playcalling in the red zone. Go for it. I'm with that. I don't be scared of the negative outcome for positive outcome. And if you haven't negative alcohol your could've tied the game shut off everybody. There's plenty of time to go in that game. go for it. Don't be sauced. i'm with that. I'm not even talking about that. Although they didn't spread the they didn't want spread out. The defense to give hurts his best option to punch score. They didn't to do that right. But i i'm not talking about the play calling. I mean just the decision to go for. It anyway hurts. Top wideout hurts a twenty five point four quarterback rating He was still too much of a threat to win that game for the eagles still there looked at him. Like how's he doing. No good give him any weapons now. We took them all out and kids pretty good. Let's take him out. Well what are we going to say. We're gonna say that. We want to see what we have in our third string quarterback but wait a minute. We used our second round. Pick on this kid. This was the audition to see. If we need to drafted other quarterback we should see if in a primetime game with playoff implications if not for the eagles at least for the rest of the nfc east in a primetime game with none of his weapons available. Can this kid actually get us win. Win that tell you a lot about jalen hurts now. I still buy trust me. The postgame presser. I'm gonna tell them. I'll tell him you know. I just wanted to see what sudafed hand. What's the named sub-field so it's unbelievable. Here's the peterson had to say about his decision. To take out hurts with the game on the line. Pretty simple The plan was to get some time. And i felt i use the time to to get them into game. Let me be very clear. That was the precise moment when the eagles lost every player in the locker room any lingering remnants of that super bowl win is gone for ever again down. Only three points they pull hurts for. Nate failed if you want to know why they lost every player in the locker room. Let me direct you to this. I brought it up on. I take today. Watch jason chelsea's media availability from december sixteenth. Google google jason kelsey k. Elc right travis. Kelsey is brother offensive lineman for the eagles media. Availability december sixteenth google. It's absolutely worth your time. He lays it out plane. This is not like basketball. He says we're one player is going to change your team. Twenty players on a football field too. Many things can happen so it's not like oh lebron james let's tank. It's not that in the nfl and to go from nine to six. Even more absurd arcega whiteside instead of instead of decay. Metcalf rieger instead of justin jefferson. This is the same guy took these like. He's passing a better players for worse players earlier in the draft. You think by moving up early. I told he's better at nine. Let someone else make that mistake and have a better player fault him. How much confidence could you possibly have. Roseman who signed wants to the worst contracting the entire league would actually make the right picket six to be clear zero pro bowl players since now in your five and is one tenth of a point veteran sam darnold. that's otherwise deadliest. Jeffrey loria the owner of the eagles needs to fire these guys immediately. And by the way. I don't say that lightly. I know this is how they make their livelihood. But i have to be honest with you about what i would do if i were the owner. 'cause that locker room go listened to jason kelsey media availability december sixteenth. That locker room needs to understand that unlike his coach and gm the owner values culture and winning. It's not just sour grapes from a giants fan people. Although from giants fans point of view. Again i get it. I would even get it. I would hate it putting away. I would respect it as a dastardly kind of move. If the eagles were playing some other team not washington not east team and by losing not only do they get to draft say trevor lawrence but they also keep the giants out of the playoffs. I get it. I would just say. Well why eagles. But i get it but when you're playing another nfc east team and you have a chance to play spoiler to them head to head in the game on the line in the fourth quarter and what's on the slightest three drafts lots up from nine to six dude get out of here. Get all the way out of here ryan. Clark joins me on the goodyear hotline right. Now it's going on ryan. How're you doing happy. Happy new year to you. Although within twenty twenty one didn't get off on a great foot from me watching. My giants get bounced out of the playoffs by that. Doug peterson in your experience as a player and as an observer of the game. Can you remember coach doing something quite like this. You know i really can't Not in that situation especially not with that explanation to say this is a predetermined move because made sub-field had been there for years and he deserves some snap. It's not how the nfl works. You don't deserve snaps 'cause you hung around because you've been great on the scout team you earn your snaps and you earn your reps because of your plate because of your production. He has done that. And so there's just make this choice all the trendy arbitrarily you know when you're only down three after actually going forward on four dollars could've kicked the field goal and had the game tied. I think doug peterson made a succession of decisions in this game and more questionable than that talking to ryan clark the goodyear hotline by the way i gave them straight talk wireless ryan no contract. No compromise right before you got Look i as a giants fan. I was disgusted but like as just a fan of football like it. This is not baseball or basketball. I'm sorry like stephen a. brought up on the air. What you before. The process was sam. Hinkie isn't that the same thing dotted added a full contact sport where guys are battling in the trenches up on in the front seven. Let's say and on the line of scrimmage the physical battle when they're only sixteen games in a season in a divisional rivalry. It's not like a regular season game in the nba. I'm sorry there is a difference is like where do you stand on tanking football versus tanking and other sports you know. I don't think players have the ability to take. I don't think they necessarily know how you can look at guys and go back to throwing games. The players are going to put the next draft in front of their independent contractors. Should what i mean by that is real plan for us. That's not only playing for you in the sense that you want career but to not get yourself hurt right. If i'm running up tackling. Henry's how to do that halfway and so any opportunity that i get to go play to play well to further my career and went. That's what my main goal halfway crooks know. Every i don't know exactly. Yeah you got that reference you. Did you having listened to war. No wasn't report. What was it was only built for. Cuban ford ed cuban link on because now i know deep down like what he did was inexcusable bill and it was just this respectful to the game into the players that legit put their lives and bodies lines to play at each. And every week. Right yup ryan clark on the max kellerman show. Espn radio what occurs to me. There was stuff going on in the nfl like tom. Brady's kept going to like forcing it to antonio brown because antonio brown had incentives in his contract. I don't like incentives in the nfl. Ryan like to me. That's really a wet. Just a way for owners to get out of guaranteeing money to the players and retaining flexibility with payroll stuff but in a team sport. Like jason chelsea's right when he talks about the kind of sport it is and in a sport like that to put a performance incentives based on stats. That guys can compile you get funky stuff at the end of the season like we saw emmanuel sanders. Celebrating was nice. But you know guys forcing the ball to a teammate hidden incentives. It's being a good teammate. On the one hand to that one guy but what about the rest of the team. Yeah you know. And that's crazy man. This is the first year. I could remember Multiple instances going into the last week. Where you have this type of situation and then guys actually hitting him. Three shovel passes to three several passes to tonio brown to get him over the number like that. That's strange to me. But this is where we are in this league and you know like you said they put in incentives to get guys to a certain number have guys feel like this deal can be worth up to and that's kind of where we are now in those guys got him. But if it's not you know those two situations didn't seem to be as detrimental team. And i think that's something that you you're happy for a guy he reaches. But if you're in the situation where you aren't getting a guy of all or you are giving a guy a ball given football too much and you lose the game because it puts you in a negative situation. I think that's more of an issue than forcing the ball to a guy late to make sure he gets his money. Ryan clark on the goodyear hotline goodyear because coming off a twenty twenty good years perfect sponsor for twenty twenty. One max kellerman show. Espn radio ryan. I this is like from my greatest hits volume for when mike tomlin got the steelers job it was like oh mike tomlin got the job. What and when he got up on that podium and say because he's taking a job that like only one guy gets every ten or twenty years and he said steelers. Football run the ball. Stop the run. I'm like okay. This guy he got me you had me at. Hello and i always bring that up when i talk about tomlin the steelers but when i'm watching browns and and ultimately watching the steelers let alone when they play each other especially now it's the browns to me who found that identity whatever you think about the efficacy of their of their run defense. At least that's what they concentrate on. They're gonna they're gonna fight you up front on both sides of the ball specially on the offensive line. They're going to run the ball and they're going to stop the run and i worry for the steelers heading into that match up in the playoffs because they really can't block for the run at all your thoughts about the your former team with whom you won a super bowl. The pittsburgh steelers wrangler now. I think it's going to be. I think it's gonna be a good game. I believe that the cleveland browns have more of an offensive identity. Then the pittsburgh steelers do but on the other side of that. Cleveland rows needs to be healthy. The secondary no kevin johnson this week And so you look at where they were dinsdale where coal dead and the protocol is. You don't know those guys back. I think there are better suited. Then the pittsburgh steelers to know where they want to go with the ball but when you looked at who's the steelers are who they were early on. In the season they were team. That stopped the run and were team. That turned the football over. That's the only way for them to win max if if they don't dominate defensively which we kinda haven't seen down the stretch turnovers a one of those things that kind of comes and goes sometimes it certain teams the teams are going to be in trouble. I do believe that the steelers can win the first game. I don't believe that they have what it takes to make a deep run. And it's a lot of those things you said in kind of explaining why you feel more. But why you feel a little bit more strongly about cleveland identity than pittsburgh. The other thing is to one of those identities carry over week. It's easy to make sure that your physical is easy to make sure that you continue the hand the ball off you can tell you the pollen the football. It's hard to say we're going to throw it fifty times and it's going to work every week when the play quarterback isn't mahomes or rogers. I think that's very difficult. And that's what the pittsburgh steelers are trying to do. And i think that's playing with fire speaking of which we didn't get to it on the air today. Maybe we'll do it later. In the week on i take but i think patrick mahomes actually heading into these play. Offs is the guy with the most to lose. But when i when i look at the. Afc north right. It's really interesting terms of the quarterbacks like you don't hear anyone taking the browns to win the super bowl and that's baker mayfield's gotten much better but he's not josh allen to shawn watson or someone like that ben. Rothlisberger is clearly faded. And when you look at the ravens. That's the team where you'd be like they could do it if if lamar can get it together in the playoffs. Where are you with the ravens in these in the at in terms of the threat out of the afc north. I read israel If it's not the threat mix it. Sure is the fear right. It's just the fear of choose. What did they do get it right. What is the market teams to run the football like this. Jk dobbins continues to ascend. That's kind of what we were seeing. And they had some games to get healthy. And i don't mean necessarily get people back on the field but starts to feel good again about their offense kind of started in that cleveland game movie. So lamar go back to the mvp lamar well. He's gonna use his legs. There's athleticism more than he's trying to fit into the pocket and improve things to people outside of the baltimore ravens organization. And i think you have to be scared of team. There at kennedy is the best runner in football right now. The baltimore ravens. Ravens are the best rushing attack. It's gonna get big lake. It's finally a new year. The perfect time to take your business to the next level by hiring the right people but finding qualified candidates can be challenging ziprecruiter dot com slash. Max makes it easy. When you post jobs on ziprecruiter it gets sent out to over one hundred. Top job sites with one click. Then ziprecruiter is matching technology. Scans thousands of resumes and profiles to send you the most qualified people for your job. If you're really interested in a candidate you can even invite them to apply for your job with one click. Ziprecruiter sends them an email from you and you stand out from the competition. 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And i think that the ravens as a whole on more difficult to stop running football then derrick can is and so the ravens can be very to be very tough to get out of the playoffs and there's scared each and every team they play and if they can get this first win and build some of that play on playoff confidence in lamar. You have to watch out for the rest of afc ryan clark ladies and gentlemen you can check them out all over espn. Get up i take. Nfl live all over the place ryan coming on as always brother. I'll talk to you soon. Always appreciate you my god yup. Thank you lamar boy. He needs a win in the playoffs. In the worst kind of way in the worst kind of way in times a former a different former. Mvp setup to win another ring by the way ryan. Clark joined us on the goodyear hotline goodyear. Helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven. The max kellerman shows podcasts. And you have the right all along. But aaron rodgers has the ability. Say no i'm gonna kinda hitter shot down the field. It's just a moralizing. He should be the. Mvp i've thought before this week that it might go to one of the younger quarterbacks. It's got to go to rogers and with that win the packers as we mentioned up the number one the max kellerman show on espn radio. Espn plus the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty and on your smart speaker. Aaron rodgers has a message to the haters. You can reach me at eight eighty eight say. Espn idiot seventy nine. Three seven seven six. The max kellerman show is presented by progressive insurance. Meantime adam gays is finally gone jets fans who you wanna replace him. I'll tell you who you want max. Kellerman show is presented by progressive insurance. Here's aaron rodgers the mvp this season. Let's be look. i think. Patrick mahomes aaron rodgers. Those are the two best i've ever seen. I if you force me to choose. I say my home. Better than rogers at his best however homes didn't play the last game not his fault. Like no obvious why you sit them but rodgers did. Rogers had a better statistical season. The mahomes and rodgers did it with less around him than mahomes. So who wins the mvp this year aaron rodgers and he deserves it. And he's the only quarterback. Honestly i've ever seen actually why we're we're watching mahomes now. I think it was. That guy is good as mahomes. It's very cool. Like rogers is incredible. This is this. Is this mass message to a packers. Doubters idle chatter. Like that doesn't have a space in my brain. Not sure about everybody else. Can't speak for them but seems to have gotten a little quite around some of those topics that people wanted to make such a big deal about well except that people don't believe in the packers. Not because of aaron rodgers people are leaving the packers to make excuses for rodgers and by excuses. I don't mean rodgers needs them. I mean explanations as to why he only has one super bowl win in his career when for most of his career he's he's spent season after season clearly better than everyone else like way. Better homes came around and no one was really close to rogers. So when people don't believe in the packers is not if there were a more players like rogers on the packers everyone we believe in the packers but look the packers drafted. His replacement drafted his replacement quarterback in the first ground. That's rough especially when you coming off at thirteen win season with a playoff win against russell wilson. You know what's what's wild is. I like i right now. I liked the saints before the season. Then i went. And i said no maybe seattle once they dealt for jamal adams because even though they have a good defense seattle. I felt that they have elite. Playmakers on defense bobby wagner. John adams these are not just oh. He's pro bowler. Maybe that's the best guy in the in the world playing position real difference makers so i thought maybe bend don't break. And then in the moment of truth they have difference. Makers with metcalfe and everyone on on offense for russell wilson. I thought maybe and then then i said no. Then the saints made the move for kwan. Alexander linebacker from san francisco at the trade deadline and their defense got really good and with drew brees because of the fractured ribs and punctured lung with a nice long rest. I thought were at least not not you know. He didn't have to play tackle football for a while. I thought maybe he'll be fresher for the playoffs. I liked the saints but not if they have to go to the packers like say. It's really needed that by in the first round and especially needed to avoid a trip to lambo in the playoffs so i do like the packers to come out of the nfc now. But i got to tell you one thing if all the favorites win in the first round right so just the favorites all win. Do you know who the packers host at lambeau. For their first playoff game after their by the tampa bay bucks and if you recall the packers were on a role early in the season and that bucks defense at tampa smoked rogers member. Roger had like no interceptions million touchdowns all sunday through two or three picks and they lost. They got walloped. So i still like the packers to beat the bucks at lambeau. It's not like going to tampa early in the year and the packers play better recently. But that's the toughest draw the packers could get for their first. Playoff game would be tampa and if all the favorites win. That's exactly who they're getting meantime in a very different neck of the woods. The new york jets finished last in the afc east that too and fourteen and adam gates has been released by the jets from his. I've never seen a guy where when you saw the introductory press conference you said but it's not like steve sarkisian Who was the coordinator. Obviously at ucla. Excuse me at usc. He's introduced at a press conference that he clearly it seemed to me was not sober for the press conference. And you thought ooh. That's a bad way to show up sark. But i've got to tell you people loved sarkin. La trojan fans loved sark. And so you understood even if he was going through something at the time and he made from the press conference. Oh this isn't good. It's not like the idea. Itself was ill conceived adam gates. It wasn't like he had some special like love in new yorker. They're like oh okay. He was the coordinator for bill. Parcells is nothing like that and he showed up to the press conference like that. Y'all from from job. This does not look good and it turned out to be worse the net. So he's gone. Just like good riddance. Who should who should. The jets hired a turns. Sam darnold's career around i. I don't think sam darnold it like. He's super young. Donald is i think donald is younger than joe burrow. Because darnold and i think he is. It's close have to look it up. But donald young still and against the jews the issue with the jets for me is the organization is so stinking. They haven't been relevant since super bowl three. Think about that super bowl three. Don't tell me the chad pennington years. Please super bowl. Three was the last time they were relevant in the york. Giants town through and through one of the all-time great football franchises in new york football giants big blue. I'm gonna digress a little bit. Oh i love my giants. But the jets are not the kind of franchise. we're like. There are some quarterbacks who would be independently great like i look at justin herbert now. I love the chargers job for any would be head coach. You're looking at justin. Herbert and anthony. Lynn was the second worst coach in football behind. You say doug monroe. But i would say behind adam case and yet justin herbert and had the handcuffs on herbert justin. Herbert is one of those guys. I think independent of his situation. His floor is like matthew stafford if he stays healthy. That's a hell of a floor and his ceiling is clearly much higher. And that's that's a hell of a player. So i think if the jets got their hands on a guy like that if you think trevor lawrence has that kind of player then you gotta take that guy but lawrence isn't available and you don't think justin fields is that necessarily or you don't think justin feels is going to be available then than sam. Darnold is not the kind of talent where it's like independent of his surroundings. He's going to be great and his surroundings will determine how not donald needs the right guy. Who's the right guy. Who's the right guy for darnold. Stephen a on i take today was suggested. Urban meyer urban meyer. He's done is quit. And he's super competitive. Great football coach. But he's left to schools you scandalized and then he just dipped jets need for a couple of years. They're going to be an and then the dude is going to for that. If you're gonna look. I think today on the air go look at college at the college ranks. In fact you don't even have to leave ohio state to find better head. Coaching candidate to me for the jets. Urban meyer be ryan day if anything is done better than urban meyer in the same place but At least so far. But i don't think either one of those guys is the answer to me. The answer for the new york jets. Eric enemy the enemy. Like how does this work nowadays the offensive coordinator of the most dynamic offense. This is the hottest guy that'd be enemy. That's who i look to approach the jets. Who do you want jets. Fans eighty eight say. Espn meantime do the giants. The eagles a thank you card. That i read that right raj. Is that the tease. You just wrote from me to the giants old eagles. A thank you card. I'm intrigued no doubt coming up by the way. Joe burrow's darnold. The max kellerman. Show podcast outcast by the way. I like outkast a lot although people from outside new york swear they're the greatest hip hop grow. Everyone calmed down. I'll cast is good and that song is great. Turn that up roj. See what steph did by the way where to get it to that in a second reach eighty eight say. Espn edited seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six no doubt is brought to you by my computer career training for a better life. Get right down to it. we got you. Let me tell you what i figured you know. All right raj. Where's the track. I check it out. Derrick henry you saw what he did two thousand yards this year. He's the most valuable non quarterback player in the n. f. l. I can't believe that's even being asked as a question. He's not in the top one. That's not how you play naas son. I'd say no doubt or nas. Let me just let me just myself. Just remember seeing no doubt nassem. He asked you a question. Nas derrick henry is as of this moment the most valuable running back because he stays healthy. Knock wood that remains the case he. He plays great when the lights brightest. And he's a great running back. But if mccaffrey's healthy you want him or derrick henry. 'cause i want mccaffrey. If dalvin cook health you want him or derrick henry. I'll take dalvin cook. That's too if saquon barkley is healthy. Gimme saquon barkley. That's three as cameras healthy. I'll take tomorrow. Because the position running. Back as casey joined the football scientists points out on this show repeatedly is about run blocking so as you're not catching passes it in the elite levels of running back your main value. Is you save a roster spot. Because you're the bell cow. You don't need to use multiple backs as much. That guy can't be the most valuable knock you being football. That would be a guy like aaron. Donald right defensive disruptor someone like that what else we got burnt. Hey your new york. Giants should sit in the eagles eight. Thank you now that they have the eleven th pick in the. Nfl moved up trade. Nah son the giants are not some great drafting team. But secondly if the giants were in line for trevor lawrence. Then i would agree. They kept the giants from winning good for them. And the giants get the number one overall pick and it just so happens in this season that guy promises to be really special at the quarterback position. Yes then yes but moving up to eleven you gotta be kidding me of winners so much. More valuable galls me. Raj galls me about this giant thing was to get to the next hour. I'll get to it. I'll get a few minutes. Okay all right all right. Hey check it out very matchups. Yeah okay steph. Curry has got to stay white. Hot white hot for the warriors even have a chance at making the playoffs. No doubt and let me tell you. I'm gonna tell new york this now. Imagine if. Tom brady had to face the giants in the first round of the playoffs. Brady's tom brady right. And here comes that giants defense again because the giants beat the bucks the last time they played who. I'm so mad. At doug peterson max. Kellerman show max kellerman show. Podcast do own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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