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"rose styron" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Has been to try to find the truth. Welcome back to another episode of Right America, Right. America has now featured some 90 established an emerging writers. All my loves our Reparations Loves. There are poets such as recent Pulitzer Prize winner Natalie Diaz novelists, including Meg Wolitzer. That's the thing about writing. Courses because we do do it alone. But we're responding often to collective experiences. Unexpected pairings such as Carlos Fonseca and Rose Styron the thing that Faulkner led to Garcia Marquez and to Toni Morrison. It's just lovely, right? Two things happened, which has been very gratifying. One is to see the camaraderie among the rioters themselves. Do you think of a novel as an inquiry every week, Riders chip in in that column of chat that you see on the right of the screen when you do one of these things, and they are asking questions of one another and applauding one another and that I never saw before, Because writers you know are not the group. You know. We are. Usually Mavericks are hermits or worse. The general audience, then latches on to what is being read, she says. Call if you want to talk. It can be rough at the start. If there is sadness and was something autobiographical, there's beauty and a poem. How could I count my blessings when I didn't know their names? If there's something about honor, or there's something about loneliness, they latch onto it, and they comment. There's a clear play on the word right. W R I T E. And the word right? R. I G H T right And the whole idea of in it was a kind of, I guess that's sort of bad pun on the idea of making America right. That is not not right Wing and not that there was one view of right but making it realized what its own potential always was. I mean, this country was founded on words. After all, people a long time ago, put some words together and said, This is America. So this is America. Roger still helped me understand the position of literature and politics as you see it, because I'm guessing that most maybe all of the writers that you're featuring come from one side of the political spectrum. That's true, and there was one of my concerns that would be just preaching to the choir. But we're not preaching. For one thing. Aaden has a wonderful Quotation truth like love and sleep presents all approaches to intense. What we wanted to do was to just do our business and deal with the feelings that writing then celebrate and makes evident. Now you say. All right, Well, okay, You're you are preaching to the choir, after all, And I think largely that maybe so, however, you cannot tell me that a conservative response to King Lear much differently from a liberal that when you have really great literature is most of our writers produce available to any side. They respond not to the politics of the situation, but to the humanness of the situation and what's next for this? Happy to say we're going to in the second season in 2022, having discussions in libraries and in book clubs following each reading for right, America, so that we, in a sense, extend the effect of the thing. All right, The project is right. America. Roger Rosenblatt. Thanks so much. Thank you, Jim. Great idea from Roger Rosenblatt. And that's the news hour for tonight. I'm Judy Woodruff. Thank you..
"rose styron" Discussed on Ringer Dish
"There was just like there's so many pieces to this. But the uninviting of people gave rise to my favorite new york times article. Since wesley wrote about his mustache lab hammer and it was written by anti carney who was on the hillary beat for twenty sixteen and it was a white house reporter during the trump years and apparently now is a party reporter because the headline of the story is what is going on obama's sixtieth birthday bash Subtitle is The former president scaled-back the guest list for his party on martha's vineyard who's in and who's out and then she writes a pretty by the new york times political section caddy article about who is in and out of the party apparent. Apparently some of the people who are uninvited included david axelrod. And larry david but jay z. And beyond say. We're still invited more ambience. Later as you mentioned but my favorite part of this is her main source. Her main on the record source is rose. Styron the the will william styron and she does give some absolutely fire quotes on this. It's it's unbelievable. I just read if you if you don't mind yes please. A lot of islanders were very upset at the prospect of hundreds of people. Coming for the party said roseby. Styron the poet and widow the novelist william styron. Who said she'd been invited to a friday night. Obama birthday kickoff. The winner do oceanside resort. Everyone's very nervous but getting together. At all missed iron said. She was hosting friends from california. The and producer rodrick spencer and the actress alfre woodard. Who had been invited to the main event at the obama house on saturday night. They didn't hear that had been cancelled until they are getting on the plane from california we lucked out and we had them for the weekend now. I think they're pretty happy to. I was just like this is incredible staff from rose styron who just answered the phone when the new york times called talk about party that she may not be going to anymore and how she's excited to have alfred house gas. I mean this is the kind of staff at like i In my head used to happen in the eighties where like you would call. Someone abound mardi. And they'll the actually talk to you. I don't know. This is a very throwback to me. And i thought it's so delightful you know there are some other pieces of the party that i was just sort of like Like quest love was in charge of some of the food in some of it was vegan but then they also like had some lobster rolls for the martha's vineyard right. I just had like a lot. It's a lot of questions i overall. I don't love party coverage sure. Don't think that we got a full picture of what was going on at the party. From from the instagram's no certainly not and there is like a lie. Most people seem to have been honored to have invited to be invited and happy to be in the room and that's like obeyed the know what what happens at the obama sixty stays at the obama sixtieth and some other people just posted on instagram. So i understand like the inconsistencies. I spent a lot of time in the run up to the party. Which was following a lot of the coverage in the hand wringing and how dare he i mean. I don't know what to say. It was early. August and people are upset and and also the delta variant is scary and confusing. So i i sort of get it. But i spent a lotta time reflecting on. Just what a nice house he seems to have at. What a lovely life he's living on martha's vineyard and it's like well i guess that's what happens. Way become elected president at like forty four or whatever it was and then you just get you retire to live a beautiful life. I'm just like a palatial spread. Martha's a place. I've never been to but looks quite lovely. Would love fanny wednesday about thirty years. And i've just. I guess that's nice work. If you can get it which i think all of us none of us can gun graduation to him and then it seems like party i. i did. Follow all the celebrity rivals. Like dwayne wade gabrielle. Union chrissy teigen and john legend. These are the people heading up all of the celebrity covered. Bradley cooper i would like to bake you so much. Because that's what i was lied to. Bradley cooper went to the obama sixtieth birthday party. David axelrod who i think is in large part responsible for barack obama being the president of the united states for at least eight years certainly like one of the major players uninvited uninvited. Battler coober still in who directed a star is board movie. I loved get up at like what. I what is he doing. What is his relationship with barack obama. I don't know it's a great question. It seemed like basically you know who else was uninvited. But like we're still on the island for the weekend. Was nancy pelosi. It seems the political people got uninvited to be honest. It seems like the normies who you don't know like the people who the daily mail photographed driving away and like their volvos. Were there and then. There was like the uber. Famous people and no one in between so either like nameless civilians more bradley cooper beyond saying jay z and like oprah gail. Perhaps there is an explanation there in that if you are certainly if you're like in political office but such a political moment with cova delta variant and it really did seem like stormclouds kind of like brewing certainly on fox news and wherever else you expect people to make about these sorts of things so perhaps it was deemed like unwise for the political like related people to go just deniability. I guess so may maybe it's not as like personally interpersonal fraught between all these people as we're reading it to believe right like edgar nancy pelosi. Do you want spend the next three weeks being asked about like why you went to the party. And like if you are a mask and other people are masked and like what it means like do want know like it's probably just easier to knock out and you're like you know there'll be other parties. I'm sure to a few rangers in her day but it does give off the allusion than that. It's just like barack. Obama invited every single famous person that he like ever. Or yeah or are they always found like bradley. Cooper in obama's phone. that's okay but what are they texting about. How many times did craft. I feel like a few times when i feel like i feel. They're both people who are really invested in like perfecting their craft their respective crafts. What crafts i mean. Go making okay in writing. I don't know obama's a man of many gifts. He is beautiful writer and has.
"rose styron" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show
"We are going to do an experiment. Today in audio acoustics. So i am in the home studio because tomorrow is the first day of school in there was a Welcome school meeting. I had to go to today. And there was no time to get from my house to the studio so i arranged a backup facility so that i could broadcast this year radio program without the potential for people to hear hammers and nails as the roof is being brought on and i showed up at the backup facility and the internet was out so i gathered everything up. I came back home. I have everything set up and away. We go with the radio show if you hear anything in the background. There's a roofing. But on i tell you though these guys i'm music the if you're in atlanta us to this place called first national roofing and these people are fly. I i did not know you. They have taken off the old roof. They've actually even like taken off the underlying plywood and some barton replaced it already. Another put some sort of rubberized fell down there about two in one part of the house. Start putting. I have never seen people. It's these ten guys. They're climbing all over the place. I mean it's like they're superheroes the way they can jump around the roof laid. I'm scared of heights to begin with And it's just it's amazing having watched these guys today. Put this thing on. They may be there thinking they may after rain coming later and they may have to finish up tomorrow but i am really deeply impressed with these guys So okay we. We don't care about that. What you do care about is a barack obama's party He and i are the headlines of the day. Barack obama and i the two big news stories of the weekend were actually obama and me except separate events. I want to start with barack obama. And i want to begin with the audio from anne kearney. She was on cnn. Talking about barack obama's birthday party here saying we'll first of all to be clear This part is outdoors. All the guests had to submit negative kobe tests to a cova coordinator. and were encouraged to be vaccinated. They were not required to be vaccinated But most of this crowd is assumed to be so they're falling off. Cdc precautions That feeling on the island. I heard mixed things from people i interviewed. There were people who were legitimately upset that there is going to be hundreds of people travelling from across the country showing up on the island a small community of summer residents. Who are nervous about getting together at all I quoted rose styron the widow of the novelist. William starring in my piece saying she really was upset about this even though she was invited to one of their obama pre parties Other people said you know this is really being overblown their quality. All the safety precautions people are going to sporting events that are bigger than this. This is going to be safe. This is visted vaccinated crowd. And and this is just about optics. It's not about safety so you got that. It's a sophisticated vaccinated crowded. It's not like you hickson rubes. It's a sophisticated crowd. So they'll be fine. People been you. Hicks have been going to sporting events with more people. This shut your.
"rose styron" Discussed on The Gerry Callahan Podcast
"And Were encouraged to be vaccinated. They were not required to be vaccinated but most of this crowd is assumed to be vaccinated. So they're falling all. Cdc precautions arts. That's a first cut. Let's listen to that. Listen this is a new york times reporter running cover for barack obama and admitting they didn't have to be vaccinated i agree eating one. One hundred percent agree with that point yes running. It was a lot of young. You know cool rapper types. Lot of black people and we know they're reluctant to get the. The numbers are good in the african american community so they were indeed unvaccinated people there And as we saw were dancing and partying and no masks those social distancing but they the new york times you know was there to protect them to cover for them and tell you you know they were kinda sorta careful you know you. You didn't have to prove your vaccinated but if you told them you were honestly if you show up and it's tom hanks they really going to say. Let's see your papers tom. Hanks i believe bradley cooper was there if they say. Let's see your papers. They're not gonna do that tom. Hanks shouldn't get vaccinated as everyone knows he already had covert. He better was honor system. Yeah right so you want to hear the second cut short. let's hear the second cut from any carney. Whatever name is any. Carney noticed that feeling on the island. I heard mixed things from people i interviewed. They are people who were legitimately upset that there was going to be hundreds of people travelling from across the country. Showing up on the island a small community of summer residents. Who are nervous about getting together at all I quoted rose styron the widow of the novelist. William starring in my piece saying. She really was upset about this even though she was invited. To obama pre parties other people said you know this is really being overblown their quality all the safety precautions people on sporting events that are bigger than this. This is going to be safe. This is a sophisticated vaccinated crowd and and this is just about optics not about safety. She's exactly right about that. It's just about it absolutely. Yeah and i think that no yeah. It's a sophisticated. unlike ballgame. people are going to sporting events. The problem that i have those greenwald took that glenn greenwald who i appreciate a lot. Even though he's on the different side of things than than than most libertarians like myself he he does try to get to the heart of the matter. He really took this out of context though and so that really made. It seem like she was saying that. This is an unforeseen unsophisticated was she. She was i don't know. But that's on the islander saying that now that's technique. She's using that. She didn't talk to anybody who said that. She thinks that feels that. She's defending again her people and she's using the old people say technique. It happens all the time. She thinks that. I mean there could be ten million. People tend coughing all over each other. She wouldn't cash. He was there for one reason. Only you know to do. Pr for her or team or teams This crowd and they miss god. They miss obamacare. Can you imagine being her and having a watch biden bumbling stumbling over himself everyday just hiding for the days of the the best Teleprompter reader ever barack obama and they miss him and they just loved they could even if they couldn't get in the tent she just said it was outside. It was not outside. it was in a tent. You can see it in every picture. Nobody sells they're all in the tent and they're all at close quarters hundreds of them. But hey we'll it'll be interesting to see if you know anyone at the party comes down with kobe and spreads and fouts. You'll have to come on tv and say oh that's okay you know it's kinda like a a black lives route black lives matter rally or george floyd protests last year the covert stays away from those things. Covert only attack sturgis. If you're on the harley and you're in south dakota by the way isn't sturgis outdoor so it is. It's a huge. Yep sounds a hell of a lot. Safer to me than barack obama's party but it was a good time i had fun and i you know i asked if i was sure i just lied. They took my word for it. There was an honest. You're absolutely right but the happy birthday to a bar. What's he gonna do. You know when he's sixty five seventy is going to continue to do. This have parties from self on his thirty acres on the vineyard aura Actually we got to see. John kerry show up in a private jet. That was the other highlight of the day before the body was. I think it was on friday. John kerry who lives on has a home on the island flew in on his private jet which is used at least sixteen times for trips in two thousand twenty one so far so the guy who says the world will end in nine years because of global warming took a private jet to a party. On mother's vigna just so he can hang with people but he's got there all frauds. I mean they really you. Do as i say not as i do Some of us are more equal than others. That's that's the ruling class. And i say this all the time. There's got to be a moment for everybody were they. They sit and they say. I'm done with these people they're liars. They're frauds they're hypocrites. It's about control. It's not about covert. And i wonder if this will put some people over the edge some people who are dealing with a kid a ten year old kid who has a mascot for school in a couple of weeks or you know has to wear a mask on the soccer field or something. I mean parents have see that again..
"rose styron" Discussed on WTMJ 620
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"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"We tried to step it down pretty hard so that it would look and covered with leaves. So look authentic and undisturbed. Another unexpected scene was visiting styron's widow rose on martha's vineyard this allowed for the moment when karen and pagan got closest to meeting the late author when we were sort of near the end of our interview with rose styron at her house and she said oh you know that he's buried just down the street. Would that be of interest to you. And we're like i. Yeah and then we you know we got there. Seen at that graveyard. She turns to a headstone nearby. It's etched with a golden moon and stars and there's bills. I think those flowers have died. I might take those away. Rose squats down and touches. The inscription carved into the stone is a quote from dante. When he came back up from hell bill styron's darkness visible ends with a quote from dante in the middle of the journey of our life. I found myself in a dark wood. Or i had lost the right with those who.
"rose styron" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"The union saying that they shall return they became the American improvement of Patrick Henry Nathan nail whatever they were great her role as he gears and they were people who had not committed any criminal acts and they were in jail for life and is the food chain the story so the the the the the Q. five had become kind of a cause celeb in in Havana and and kind of the reverse of it obviously was happening in Miami where the Cuban five were the were the kind of the the evil doers were the right and the Cuban Cuban five were is as I said in jail for a long time in prison you can get an infraction for looking the wrong way at at a court to avoid infractions is impossible the Cuban phone line altogether if you added up the years for welfare is currently seventy five years they was disciplined they never got one infraction that's an extraordinary sense of discipline because the sim nearly in you can you can you get an infraction anything anything now what they did with the Cuban phone line is they kept them in solitary for a long time that's in the book the solitary was Gasly you know there's an image of solitary sitting alone in a room in the sale and that's solitary is for different in solitary is far worse with needed for example within and that is is and this happened when the Iraq war he came out in nine eleven and and nine eleven the subsequent events that the gory each time there was a national in incident the blame was put on the Cubans so that the Cubans were specifically punished when nine eleven comes about when the war comes of them and they are taken out of their normal prison life or even taken out of this solitary inclusion of the conditions Hernandez for example is in the basement you know there's no light three cells on each side of him are people who are extraordinarily disturb who's screaming all day long he's anti body had to bunk with the law is on the floor he doesn't change his clothes for a month and putting aside the kind of food and what they can do is they can regulate the heat cells so they can make the heat in the sales quite quite hot I did a piece in the New York review of books some of which is in this book but not all of it just discussing with solitary really means it's not like the look thing which is terrible in itself you sitting alone in a cell maybe this like maybe the recent like endless variations on solitary which can really break a person apart these guys never broke and these guys never as I said it a million infraction it's really a testament to I mean I've known a lot of people landfill here of P. I represent other people it's who who break under those conditions the best of men break these guys Martin Chris in conversation with Victoria basidia N. Y. U. his book north of and they became even as your the petition to to for habeas corpus rights so that that was legal yes I was when you were that you did the case even as your even as your legal representation was picking up a head of steam and your investigation of the media and the government is out of the I kind of in tandem at an effort to normalize relationships between the United States and Cuba was also kind of crying and the Cuba five became a very important part of that effort they were were they Z. one of the top hang ups that was preventing it would how would you were they were the central the Cuban government took the position and it may be hard to believe given which we in the press that they would not be any kind of reproach phone as ultimately work down unless the Cuban five who released and then it was a sticking point for the American government and that was a sticking point for many years when Obama came in and he tried he and senator Leahy try to resolve some of these issues we could not get past Q. info also one of the things that senator Menendez of New Jersey put on the table was the return of joining chancellor who was in Cuba so what why don't we tell the audience to who she was join chess and more was someone accused of murder skate and was in Cuba and was given sanctuary by the Cuban government minin there insisted that if they if they beat the hell back chess and more the return the Cuban government this means that rather easily I had conversations with Barbara Lee who's a congresswoman and former and she was telling me about Menendez and seven anti Cuban intends to get Chesson Morton made as part of that and she felt very strong right she's one of the people who insisted that would not be part of any particular deal so it's a complicated deal and then we have Mister gross so it's interesting how much the kind of effort to normalize Cuban American relationships became or begin begin to hinge upon individuals not big policy questions I'm sure there were big policy questions but probably those were cool you're rationally discussed but when it came down to these particular people it became it it it became much more fraught in some ways it seems like it did so it is one more thing that I love this I learned a great deal after the book was written that relate to some of this and the peculiar way knows who shot in the plains who ordered the Judeo really the our clients Cuban five did not have the power to do that one arguments was that it was sin officer who had ordered the shootdown jul someone likely because everyone recognizes the significance of the events about a year ago I went to dinner with rose Styron and she told me that they had visited with Castro with Castro's here he's quoting the Greek historian Herodotus said that every great general makes one mistake and he says my mistake was ordering the shoot down so that he had a personal involvement and he took responsibility to the king and an example is that responsibility to keep the people that he had ordered the shoot so it's clear that the people prison where there is a result of an action that he is taking and he thought in retrospect although it was never made public he thought he had made a mistake so so that awareness the I needed a very personal issue for him but but it's it's hard to believe for some people that something as complex as the reproach from with Cuba hinge so much on the Q. five but it didn't and one of our audience members wanted to know when to take we did Cuba decide to link the cases of the five and Alan groups so you you'd mentioned Alan gross maybe we should briefly describe me as he was a at USA ID contractor in Cuba who was involved in writing communication services to the the Cuban Jewish community and he was arrested by the Cubans and convicted of espionage in Cuba and said he was being held in in prison in Cuba and and also in horrific circumstances were the grosses claim was that he was there on behalf of the Jewish community and use cable technology to the Jewish community in reality would use doing was giving technology to Cuban dissidents within Cuba so that they can communicate and the Cuban government could not find out about them so he was given technology which allowed them to communicate within Cuba and allow them to communicate with Miami and other pieces that support so basically he was giving communications I mean his defense was the Jewish community and the G. is result of that the Jewish community came out supported grows with demonstrations on behalf of Jewish community tried to put pressure on Obama the Jewish community what about this it is so originally gross said I was just doing this sort of the Jewish community one of the surgeons he's convicted ultimately he says this is what I was sent out to do and he says would you sent them out to do and ultimately he brings a lawsuit against the American government saying you didn't sufficiently warned me about all of the dangers that would happen to me when I went down there ultimately ultimately he gets very substantial settlement thing there in government so at some point in time gross becomes eighty eight a very powerful force the Jewish community certainly focuses on him as well as the anti Cuban to kick the community innocent man I went down there he's older he's getting sicker and he had a very good lawyer and the constantly demonstrated how sick he was and how he had to go to the hospital so he became a focus and Obama insisted on his return claimed he was innocent it respect the whole of the of the stuff and the Cuban government refused to release him and ultimately he came the porn with respect to the negotiations so we'll throw Obama and Castro with that I think was December fourteenth the nineteenth Wynand annals the Rockridge won't they downplayed that there was a word of of of a prisoner swap who's taking the position at that point no prisoner swaps it for in in in the mini van the date that Obama and how Castro on the phone which publicized that point gross gets off an airplane in in Washington he safe the Cuban five returned to Cuba and then finish with prison Martin Garbus hosted by the Brennan center for justice in early March his book north of Havana so at the end of the day it wasn't the law that got the Cuban five out of prison it was you buy with primarily the rest of gross yeah and and also the depression Obama was made to feel Bondi in large part the Jewish community but other communities as well the reason grosses innocent or if he stays there he'll die because he's engrossed in a variety of things can commit suicide he really kept attention focused on himself you then it may not have been that aware of it up here he was very much a DC story because he's from DC and he was constantly manipulating the press as to how horrific the Cubans were to him it was exaggerated but it was effective in him having a powerful lobbying group here even as funny as I was reading the book and and like I said it is really kind of have it all right I mean you know there's just they did the cast the cast of characters is extraordinary the justice issues that are at play are amazing it it you know it just there's almost nonstop parade of of eye openings and spinach some characters and yet I wanted to step back and think to myself you know is is is there something about this case that is so unique can we look at this as just a singular unique case or does it tell us something broader about the American justice system I think it tells you something very very much broader I think the coal mines of incidents you have here namely I mean it's scenic trump invented it but he did not the the the manipulation of prosecutors offices so he you have three prosecution if he's to prosecute finally enough pressure is put on the fourth prosecutors he does prosecute using go before judges who are federalist appointees basically who are the X. in other words we live within one reason our back from judges here they're the ones that went into Florida and stayed there war was long or the sales basically that the south is a different color cloth then hell with a horrific the judges are in DC and then you hear about the end of peels judges we hear about that appeals judges are there any VC rather than York but once you get the chance to help the talking about some very very different so I think that the case goes far beyond its is I said I think it was on three levels moves on the political level it moves on the events of those times but it really says something much larger than the judicial system if I was there I was down south let's say in the sixties and seventies manipulation of judges prosecute is illegal evidence people being charged for political reasons I mean that's part of the American culture yeah it will you know as I mentioned when we were talking about this case occurs before nine eleven or that the bulk of the of the case occurs before nine eleven Victoria city hosted by the Brennan center at NYU and it involves the sort of you know climate of fear that that is developed in a in a kind of a symbiosis between the prosecutors and judges the FBI the media that the general public at large in Miami and I was sort of thinking about the extent to which that has been kind of replicated miniature throughout cities all over the United States oh absolutely and one of the things that happen in this case one of the lawyer is working men and as had his house phone and had to move out of it as he was trying the case the whole question of the community being hostile to certain lines of lawyers is traditionally nine states I'm now representing a man named Steve Danziger who some of you may know what it is I won't it's a hot a whole complicated case but basically this is a man who help the Ecuadorians get a twenty billion dollar judgment against chevron it's a long long story I won't go into it but he's a lawyer now in New York.
"rose styron" Discussed on The Feast
"After dinner and after dinner Continues to be a source of of great interest to me With various people who who were there People like might as Pauling who had been out actually picketing President Kennedy before the dinner and went in to dinner and had a great time of J. Robert Oppenheimer was there James Baldwin William Styron Pearl. Buck a Robert Frost Glenn and really list goes on and on knows he's distinguished a distinguished people yes. It is an incredible list both for the amount and caliber of people who attended the dinner. And then of course there was the the group who could not attend there. Were actually as you mentioned in this book. There could have been the possibility of several other notable guests at this dinner but for one reason or another had to decline Their invitations could you maybe go into some of the people who could have been but were not in fact at the dinner. Yes Chidi Salinger declines. Carl Sandberg had a previous commitment and We falter was living in Charlottesville. The time it was about. It's about one hundred miles from Washington DC and he declined because he said that Something effect why. That's a hundred miles away. That's too far to go for a meal. Although it it does seem that there were people who are coming from much further away than one hundred miles from California one Nobel laureate had cut short trips in Indian Israel to come back for the dinner. It was Carl Sandberg even though he he declined he he said in his telegram. It should be available lifetime and and indeed it was and The people who Reminisced that at various points about dinner really identified as it's really a high point of their of their life Rose Styron the wife of Flame Styron and a and a noted poet and writer in her own rights was very helpful to me. In writing the book I interviewed her. Ineffectually wrote the forward to the book. Mrs Linus Pauling Ava Helen Pauling. Who was who was really of Sterling. Negative about President. Kennedy was very excited about the dinner. Even though she wasn't real high on on Kennedy in and and in fact kept a number of Mementos from from the dinner so it was wasn't it a high point and I'm wondering or I'm hoping that perhaps you could set a bit of context for folks who have not had the chance to read the book or are just not perhaps familiar with the role of dinners and this kind of social gathering at the White House Could you maybe set this dinner? And it's unique nature in many ways as you mentioned it was the largest it. Was this confluence of people from politics arts. The humanities the sciences during the Kennedy Administration What really was the role of of the Dinner Party or dinners? Just in general shall we say The Kennedys are are known for being quite social quite Engaging hosts what kind of dinners had been held prior to this event? And and how do you see this dinner being either in a continuum or quite distinct from other dinners? The Kennedys had held well in many areas. The Kennedys blazed a new trail. You know one thousand thirty six days of the Kennedys Administration and and there were a lot of a difference is A real break with the past as our administration for example I had the oldest president being succeeded by the youngest elected president but in in terms of the heirs where the Kennedys had an impact of food was was no exception Eleanor Roosevelt for example had hired a local Hyde Park housekeeper. To Be the White House Cook. She was awful. Sometimes Eleanor's simply whipped up some eggs the Eisenhower's employed round of military Stewart's to to prepare meals in the White House Hardly those would be skilled in an haute cuisine but Jackie Kennedy Who had done so much to upgrade. The White House with with furnishings historical artifacts paintings White House guidebook Wanted to extend to the culinary arts as well and she of course had a big interest in the background in in French in French culture. So that had that had an impact. Now Jackie Kennedy famously oversaw a two million dollar redecoration of the White House. Enlisting the help of Henry Francis to pont her work was often described Moore as a restoration than a true renovation. Jackie and her team described their work as bringing back the grandeur of the original White House often choosing historical wallpaper furniture. Pieces to evoke previous eras in American history on Valentine's Day nineteen sixty two only a few short months before this state dinner was to be held. Jackie Kennedy invited television cameras into the White House. Giving the American public the first nationally broadcast tour of the president's home over eighty million viewers tuned in for the program. Jackie Kennedy was even get an Emmy Award for her role in the televised tour actually had been given to her only two or so weeks before this famous brains dinner was held in one thousand nine hundred ninety two bat diplomatic reception room used for besides receiving diplomats room that people say fish when they come to the White House. Everyone who comes to a state here comes through it and leaves by so I think it should be pretty room so I came in and it's a beautiful room the wallpaper magnificent. He asked this his wallpaper that was printed in France about eighteen thirty four. It's all scenes of America and does most of the rest of the furniture in the room comes from that same time very much that period. It's all quite unified in this room. This is a corridor that leads across the White House to the state. That's right I rather loved fall. Its own calendar when thanks. Thanks is the white hat. Red White and blue and gold also has four of the best American pictures which been loaned to it for the white half including the only had the guilty of John Found at the navy. This they've dining room symbolizes your duties as an official hostess. Do serve many meals here. This is all the steak dinners and ledges a given concede one hundred and two people of the table. Now is not set up for that. Many Darla Mimics dinners there are two length last year. I'm wondering if you could maybe take us through the maybe order of events that evening And maybe situate us a little bit in where the debtor was actually held because you you have a wonderful amount of detail of the rooms In which the dinner was held because it was multiple rooms and how this did reflect this recent renovation kind of under the direction of Jackie Kennedy and as well some of the items that would have been there how the how the room was set up. And interestingly how these very notable people were ranged Because I think in many ways it was not a seating plan that we would necessarily expect today. Oh I started very For the evening people actually could drive up to the White House and be dropped off if they wanted to do so Some people came took a cabinet. Were dropped off the South West Gate of the White House. In fact an interesting anecdote is James Baldwin. Who was who was there at the dinner forgot his invitation and somehow forgot to take his wallet with come as well so we had no form of identification. So as you went to the Guard station there at at South West Gate He's been invited but I have no documentation and the guard said well. Maybe your name is written in your Tuxedo and looks enough is James Baldwin. He said on spine. Just go right in so it's a it's a world of difference from trump. Today they went into the Cross Hall of a large reception area and people mingled there were martinis drinks and Smoking Smoking was was definitely prominent at the dinner table. In fact had a a small tray with ten cigarettes the people were mingling there for a while waiting for the president to to to come down the stairs then they had a reception line. People were introduced the president and to the first lady in alphabetical order. And then they went into into dinner of sooner was In two rooms in the state dining room where most of the people were And then in the Blue Room. President Kennedy was in the center seated at the center of the room. His table had a number of prominent people including Robert Frost and The widows of George Marshall the former secretary of state and the widow of a hemingway who had died the previous year so they were seen on the right and left at the president in the Blue Room that Mrs Kennedy.
"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"Imagine this is your worst nightmare crime soon. Our roof. No, it's not my worst nightmare. It's my fourth worst. Not wait. Fifth, fourth, fourth, or fifth. I didn't bring a list. We wanted to demonstrate the disorder accurately, but you know, we also wanted to take dramatic license and comedic license, but we wanted to be respectful of it because it's a serious disorder OCD and it's just in extreme cases is very disruptive and devastating to people's lives. So loop who also produced the show believes he and his writers did find the right balance, and they showed that an emotional disability, a sort of madness as Styron would say, could go hand in hand with genius after all monks. Obsessive nece usually helped him catch the murderer as the guy was Mr. science, Derek, Philby. He asked about a suicide note. I never mentioned the note. Maybe he just into usually a suicide. Note. As a matter of fact, there isn't also cheats on his wife wedding ring, Wayne wining ring. Yes, I know. But he takes it off a lot when he opened his wallet, I noticed a small indentation in the leather where he keeps in a little indentation. It's a gift and the curse, even out of character. She'll lube thinks a lot about the yin and Yang of madness and creativity, how the torment of a mental illness can be a precursor to profound empathy and insight. William Styron's, former Dr Alice Flaherty once diagnosed with manic depression herself. Things about that too. Here she is in the podcast, there were periods when I was agitated in manichean where like wonder and and terror would come back and forth. So often in the same, you know, one minute period that they seem inseparable. So anything that got rid of the terror was going to get rid of the wonder as well. There's that issue that there's a possibility that these kinds of problems or these kinds of dilemmas, spark. Creativity, and maybe this is not true in Styron's case, but some people don't want to lose that part of them that that of which there is a piece of madness or a problem that they're trying to resolve. It's that you know the sand and the oyster that you know turns into something beautiful. And while that sand need not be full blown clinical depression, which in Styron's case stifled, his creative output needs some obstacle to be to push against and some something to be unresolved. And that's what makes for great comedy admit what makes for great drama. And yet it may be the problem is that you you, you delve too deeply into that, and then there's that point of diminishing returns, which apparently he hit. The vast metaphor which most faithfully represents this fathomless ordeal in the final passage of darkness visible Styron borrows from Dante's epic poem in the middle of the journey of our life. I found myself in dark wood for I had lost the right path. For those who have dwelt in depressions, dark wood and known. It's inexplicable agony. Their return from the abyss is not unlike the ascent of the poet trudging upward and upward out of hell's black depths and at last emerging into what he saw as the shining world. The book ends with the same quote, rose Styron chose for her husband's gravestone on Martha's Vineyard a Queen. Do Schimmel a review dare list. And so we came forth and once again, beheld the stars. Love that God what a beautiful Paraguay. At this point, I packed up my gear and put my shoes back on since shillue had a flight to catch. Thank you so much for, but before I left, I decided to admit my fan girl status, and I will say my children are very impressed that I'm meeting you because I told him that during a family health crisis a few years ago, my husband kids and I would been John episodes of monk for distraction and for solace. She'll loop said I'm not the only person to tell him that, yes, mental illness or madness can cause great pain, but it's not something to look away from human flaws in gender, a certain empathy and others and emotional mirror that works in dramatic novels in depression, memoirs, even TV comedies. Sometimes it's a gift, sometimes a curse and sometimes a comfort. I'm Karen Brown. Thank you for listening. And if you haven't yet heard the great God of depression, just look back in your showcase feed and you'll find it waiting for you. Radio. Thanks for listening and thanks to add Cirque for providing their ads, serving platform to radio Tokyo.
"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"Our podcast. After all on the day we met, he'd just been shooting his TV series until two AM and that night he was flying to LA for another job. But when rose Styron asks her friends for a favor, they can't say, no, she's the most social, I think person on the island. She's incredibly generous and she's a valued treasured for him because of shillue schedule. He wasn't available for voice over work on the main podcast series, but he was happy to talk with me about William Styron. We settled on a combination of readings and an interview as it happens. She'll loop had been meaning to catch up on Styron's work. When I had no more tears to shed. I lowered myself to the sand and slept like the novel Sophie's choice made into an off. Skar winning movie with Meryl Streep. It turned Styron into a household name back in the nineteen eighties. When I woke, it was nearly morning. I heard children chattering nearby. I stirred blessing my resurrection. I asked shillue to read some of the most poignant sections from that devastating novel, which is about a holocaust survivor named Sophie. It's written from the point of view of her friend and aspiring writer someday I will write about so Fay's life and death and thereby help demonstrate how absolute evil is never extinguished from the world. Auschwitz itself remains inexplicable. The most profound statement yet made about Auschwitz was not a statement at all, but a response, the query at Auschwitz, tell me where was God and the answer. Where was man. After this section, we both needed a moment. Really do. I want to read everywhere this guy road now my God. But the main thing I wanted to talk to Chalupa bout with mental illness, the Greek God of depression revolves around Styron's groundbreaking, memoir darkness, visible. It was one of the first accounts by public figure on what it really feels like viscerally to fall into clinical depression. Never let it be doubted that depression in extreme form is madness the madness results from an abandoned by chemical process with all of this upheaval in the brain tissues the alternate drenching indep revision, it is no wonder that the mind begins to feel aggrieved stricken and the muddied thought processes registered. The distress of an Oregon in convulsion. The madness of depression is generally speaking, the antecedents of violence. It is a storm indeed, but a storm of Merck..
"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"I'm here for for Tony. I'm a little early. So maybe I'm just going to sit here for five minutes, so I'm not. Okay, thanks. I just arrived at a gorgeous apartment lobby on the Upper West side where I'm about to record one of my favorite actors. His doorman helps me find the elevator. Follow less. Okay. Thank you. I'm pretty nervous as I make my way up to his floor. My name is Karen Brown, and in my day job as a reporter, I often cover fairly serious topics in health and mental health. But I also love good entertainment, and this actor bridges a number of my interests. He portrayed one of the few openly mentally ill characters in a TV comedy anymore. That's it. Is there any more soap in San Francisco. Scrubbing her hand for nine hours. I'm surprised you have any skin left coming out. Tony shalhoub won three EMMY awards for playing a phobic. Obsessive compulsive detective on the show monk and he's agreed to meet me. Hi, karen. Not at all. I couldn't help, but smile when the first thing he asks me to do is take off my shoes, something his character would probably do to though to be fair, the real shillue had a sense of humor about it and went along when I made a nervous joke sitting dog food, the near apartment that seems reasonable. Recently, I co produced the Greek God of depression. A series published right here on showcase across five episodes narrator and writer. Pagan Kennedy tells the story of famous author William Styron and his brilliant Dr Alice flared as they navigate his final depressive episode. So you may wonder how I ended up in the apartment of Tony shillue who, by the way, also won a Tony award on Broadway and is up for yet another EMMY for his latest TV series. The marvelous MRs Mazel well, let me explain. Since William Styron died more than a decade ago, we needed other people to help us evoke his life and work. That's why his wife rose Styron invited pagan and me to meet her on Martha's Vineyard at the compound where she and her family spent some of their happiest moments. It's also where despite the bucolic surroundings, her husband experienced some of his greatest torment. I have suffered more and more from a general feeling of worthlessness as the malady had progressed. If you hurt the podcast, you know that even during their darkest periods, the Styron's led an incredibly glamorous life eighty nine year old rose a poet and human rights activist still does as the snapshots of famous friends on her fridge can attest. So that's Caroline Kennedy, George Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Carly, Simon, and we wanted to highlight William Styron's most powerful writing so rose offer to reach. Out to some of her actor friends to read his work allowed. One of them was Jack gilpin who became the podcasts main stand in for Styron in Paris on chilly evening late in October of nineteen. Eighty five. I I became fully aware. Other actor rose suggested was Tony shalhoub struggle, which it engaged me for several months might have a fatal outcome. She is an amazing woman. This is blue sitting on his couch in New York explaining why he graciously offered to volunteer his time on.
"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"Hey, as its pagan again. Hi, are we meeting for thirty? We're sitting on the ferry. So my co producer Karen, and I took a ferry to Martha's Vineyard. Rose Styron had offered to show us around the estate where her husband had spent so many summers. So we sit down wherever. Great roses in her eighties with piercing blue eyes and a full social schedule. What are you up to? Okay. H. hasn't slowed her down much except on the tennis court. For the first time this summer I played only mixed doubles. The inside of her house was crowded with snapshots a who's who of Martha's Vineyard royalty and left wing celebrities, and there's Katharine Graham penny Jane way, Hillary Clinton, Charlene, hunter, gold. Connie ellis. She led us down to the beach and out onto a silvery grey doc. We spend a lot of time out on the dock. That's where we met me and front coming into her. Pharrell. Thanks not to. She told us that sometime in the nineteen sixties. Frank Sinatra had problems with his yacht right in front of the Styron's beach. And so Franken me awaited up onto the lawn and asked to stay the night. Their friends were here. That's how we really got to know them because they were stuck here..
"rose styron" Discussed on Showcase from Radiotopia
"Just a quick note before we start this series discusses mental illness and some other sensitive topics that might not be appropriate for all audiences. Chapter three, the stolen brain. Yes. My question was also about darkness visible, which I read in one, great, horrified. Exhale, inhale. Do you worry about becoming depressed? Again, I think anyone who suffered massive clinical depression is to some extent worried. This is author William Styron speaking in nineteen ninety seven to an audience in New York, seven years before he'd published the best selling memoir darkness visible about how he had defeated depression. One of the things that I think destroys people rapidly when they suffer clinical depression. The fact is the first time it's ever happened to them and is so cataclysmic -ly ghastly that that they're taken on a wears if it were to happen to me again, at least I would know what I'm facing, and that would be advantage or an thank you. It had been ten years since he checked out of the mental hospital. He'd been fine ever since. Well, he felt that he had lived through his terrible time in depression. His wife rose Styron, and that he'd come out the other side and he really sought that was permanent. But in the spring of two thousand rose saw some strange behavior in her husband. He's just kept apologizing for everything. He thought he had done wrong in his life. And then for no apparent reason, Bill Styron's, booming voice change to a whisper. He said to me, I think I'm going to crash again. He spent entire days in bed. I think as soon as he sort of heard footsteps of despair, he freaked out his daughter Alexandra Styron. He really when he spiraled again in two thousand and all sort of came on very quickly. His son, Tom remembers being summoned to their home in Connecticut. So this was in his bedroom. When I remember having this conversation when he was the ginning to to panic, this wasn't supposed to have. Happen. Readers still thought of him as the icon of recovery, the man who beat depression. There were endless phone calls. They'd Allred darkness visible. And I remember once he cut a phone call from a policeman and he said, I'm here with a guy who is out on ledge, wanting to jump off and commit suicide. Is there any way that you could talk to him. But now Bill Styron was paralyzed with regret and shame. He felt that he had let all his readers and all the people you can talk to on the phone courage, and he felt like a frog which was ridiculous, but he did and in the summer of two thousand Styron's stumbled over to his desk, he hadn't been able to write for months. But now he labored to set down his last words, a final message to his readers. Near that summer veneer ending. All that's Styron's friend and biographer, Jim west. During that summer, Jim received a terrifying letter. Jim in having a very bad time hope to make it through. But in case I do something to myself trust, you will make the enclosed letter public as ever Bill..
"rose styron" Discussed on The Paris Review
"After the plumpton lunch i return to chicago and greatly impressed my young faculty colleagues with my new york literary adventure fired up i wrote a story called epstein a little comedy about a middle aged jewish adulterer drawn from the plight of a colorful next door neighbor who misbehaved on our street when i was a kid this time i sent my story not to the paris review slush pile from which i've been plucked first time around by none other than rose styron the right to the top not only was it accepted for publication but it subsequently received the paris review's aga khan prize for fiction that summer i booked third class passage on the holland america line and for the first time sale to europe to travel around england and france and also to receive the con prize in paris from prince ali colin celebrity diplomat a horseman an acclaimed internationally as quite the collector of ladies prince ali was the son of august con the third the staggeringly rich leader of the smiley muslims most intriguing to me was that the prince had formerly been married to the movie star rita hayworth you ward ceremony and reception were held ali khan's luxuriance while the bologna bill i had befriended vibrant if scruffy french student at the cafe odiaun the night before and invited her to the shinde she showed up late clad in leftback black on her fearsomely noisy motorbike and was refused entrance by the butler.
"rose styron" Discussed on New York Times - The Book Review
"And he's selfpublished is apparently several years ago and it did well enough or innocent somebody took notice of it and it's now going to be published by berkeley press berkeley publishers in april it's about a cia analyst who is pressed into service as a seat as an agent as a field operative for for mission and the mission goes badly and he has to kind of think on his feet all along and it becomes one long cheese scene and its entertaining and it takes you to foreign countries and it's it's a well done example of of the genre the other books and i'm reading is completely different from that and i'm reading it because it's a code written memoir ghostwritten memoir by a professional birdwatchers from austin texas named victor emmanuel ame reading it because i know in them friends with the ghost writer who occasionally reviews for us her name is s kirk walls the name of the book is one more warbler allay swiss birds and victoremmanuel who must be in his lead easier even 90s by now has been a wellknown bird watcher for fifty years or more part of the charm of this book is that he started hanging out with very literary nature lovers including peter matheson williams sirens waste rose styron um so there is a section in here were of the three of them rose and peter mathison and victor manual are all traveling to chile in 1998 on the search for for the diatoms sandpaper plover the legendary s out of it simply for another big goes by those are the books that i'm reading that.