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Top 10 Sporting Records
"Fairplay in fair value. It's what playing william hill is all about putting a male it's replacement gumbo responsibly Hello welcome to another ultimate top. Ten with me sue barker the challenge. Giving matt dawson and phil tufnell. Today is records in your opinion. Lance which records are the most impressive the seemingly unbeatable ones. It can be a world record. An impressive run of wins or even appearances a wide range to choose from raccoons any records that absolutely spring to mind straightaway of walk just popped into my head. Favorite of mine fell medals one goal and and how many over a logs period of time as well. How many did phelps actually. Where i'm going to guess at twenty three s. His twenty eight hour. Knowing twenty-eight i think twenty three a gold twenty three gold medals pick gold medals. And that's over. What four olympics. So twelve years at talk. Just churning out gold after gold off the road. Every time he gets he gets gold. Now there's a slogan corporate speak. Every time i get wet again go. Should there be the other way round. Yeah definitely definitely that every time. We should've what i listen. May maybe the production tae. We'll put this boat which we should have straight lines for each show depending on what the content is immediately is the dave of this young. My god put me speed is old again good. Well he's for me he's gonna be out there on this and i'm not huge. Women love watching swimming when it comes round but of and he was just in albany. You think back to mark spitz and people would and these up but they haven't even damage even come close if they are in avoca sammy. Gold medals thought has gone olympic severed olympic seven. Five will they got this notion of us should have turned my nose up of five gold medals butts where in the context of somebody's got twenty three is going to have to be a moat about to be in. We'll have to have a be. I think even then that might break down mechanically and sort of. When he received these goldman he waited he was actually a dolphin slough august. That's why we would wavelengths again. I was right with them what he does for dolphin though. He's you know a couple of as a we've got to adult fitted fractured. You gotta question of sport. It was what you'll find lights of brought a lot of that show. The dice took me ruben. Bismuth from the dolphin the dolphin impression. Yes yay you signed belden about what you mean as another one another becoming on for records. I slightly disagree. Okay what well no because someone always beats what you're saying what he's under meets his tom. We'll never be beaten and everyone's records eventually going to be beaten on they. I don't necessarily think phelps will list unless the person is amount about you know. Because i think that you same boat zito just will be beaten eventually. Because running times are ways beaten eventually aren't they. You counting phelps his medals. Yes it could. Also be is will record was truly outstanding. When it happened. I mean he he obliterated it the about on the the travec from tufnel no. They just thought that about the three minute mile. The night they thought that omit mile for the violent. He's for vauxhall astra again. What was his name were japan. They said that will never be broken. You know what i mean. They said oh. You can't get an oxygen inside you and everything but you know nowadays. That is willing trudy being broken. Isn't it broke the month afterwards. Yes so there you go so so. I'm slight- i'm not. Yeah that's fine. Yes i trying to say. I've got no idea what you're talking about. Well i think. I think in fifteen years time or twenty years time someone who run faster than you say. Boats hundred but will they have eight gold madurai okay medals then well if they running. If they're beating you aim boats hundred meters time which were slightly saying could happen in twenty years time. Well they probably go on to get those medals as well would you can. There's a lot more events that he can compete in in swimming. I mean bolt can do the one two hundred and the really. I mean he hasn't got a chance to get seven medals over one olympics. I don't think we can I think about achievement in about you know is that record more impressive than than him breaking that will record in the in the manner in which he did it. I mean because we'll come onto light. Jonathan edwards's record the disturbed since nineteen ninety five. I mean of course it will probably be beaten at some point but it hasn't been beaten yet. I mean that deserves to be you know to be considered. It can't just be about how many titles or it's got to be about the actual willed record and and how impressive it's been hollywood law. I would like to throw out. the anybody. is anybody at the moment of having this discussion. Anybody holding the hundred meters. Wold record that you are the fastest person on the planet that then surely you deserve to be on the list. I at the time anything in nine point. Six was considered astonishing for him to go even under that. Because i was you know. I covered the athletics and stuff. It was just mind blowing to see someone to actually ablett rated it. It was. It was astonishing there and absolutely. It's something that people can actually then see as you say it's not point point one no point this. It was absolutely smashed it. Yeah that's swimmer. dara torres. Yeah she's she's been in five. I thought i thought. I remember that but i think people are gonna. It's very much. It was going back in there somewhere. It's a bit. Like who would have thought roger federer would be competing at the top of the game at the age of forty when beyond four finished at the age of twenty six and you know christie and everybody else leaving at the age of thirty you know. I think people will be competing that much longer because of the way the medicine is training and so i think the records will be beaten ado age is just a number is wonderful. Forty answering occupants. Walk quintiles to here Well i mean movie. Don't onto those two today. What records do they have that we. I mean both super fit. I mean think of federal just two years ago. Five-set final against djokovic committee was toe to toe with him for hours. So i think. I think we have to accept. Records will be broken regardless of how amazing we think they are now. I mean you know the edwards record. I mean that's amazing to still stand. What did he that has proved the test of time. How did you say that. I'd say ninety five ninety five in gothenburg that's that stats nights and i was really come close to it of the beeman. We thought that was going to be the longest jump jumped out jumped out the back of the big enough. I think jonathan edwards bought be up there. We could be strong. Think so i mean. It's an six actually. Jonathan edwards are and. It was almost like all mine. Gold you know to mean it was the league. It was like seventy but it was asked. The wasn't it wasn't because you see and you always now they're going to land. It was almost like he was just cowan ago in go into night. it's not gravitate wasn't pulling them down. That was pretty special. And what about in the athletics piece at moses with any go undefeated yet full for a ridiculous twenty years yeah like years and years and held the world record and the with that must be most consecutive waste. Way sees one races wastes one. Yes what race. Hunter show from nine hundred. Seventy seven thousand nine hundred seventy one. Every four hundred meter hurdles race that he ran in ten years. That's just ridiculous. So you've never been your undefeated for ten years. What would he be running in a year. Ten or fifteen only one hundred and twenty two races including one hundred and nine finals. that's code. A chuck is gonna be gone arisen yet. It is on eighty zone. Wow wow that. Must give him boring us. When he ended that streak he was leading the race and fell on the final hurdle over hurdles jumped in his life trend. But that failing not know. You're gonna win. Yeah yeah when he was in his paw. there's very very few spoils. Yeah he pull the could walk out into their arena and just have that no arrogance but just they are nullum winter yet unless you fence offense hurdle properly knows the that must be a huge mental capacity as well. You know a lot of these guys get to the top and then it's all about the mind keeping you at the top body. I mean injuries. You know the that's right. Yeah and so for that all of that for ten years never tripping over a third offense affect look a lot easier this. He's on the list. What what As you say what a crippling what crippling distance that is as well the four hundred hurdles call stein. Some stay in power there. You don't go away. Multi come after the break fairplay in fair value. It's what playing at. William hill is all about putting a you play gumbo responsibly. What about the austin. We suppose yet that will get bras. I was trying to think of the sped. Broke could see. I that you think so. The season go undefeated yes. There's bound to be up at barcelona's dummy bit rail madrid's dummy bit out. Those in the primarily but liverpool navy did a couple of years ago didn't l. Well no. I'm just saying that it will. I could just see that being equal eventually or no they. All behave could eventually but on now being undefeated you they have. They are known as the invincibles. I mean just shows the enormity of that recco they will forever be known as the invincibles that does not come around now was never come around now and you and you will then those players on now known as not only being also plas- but were you paw the invincible with if there'd be sitting dinner or q. and i that's one of the questions. Are we involved in the invincibles. Suss incredible group to be paul. Anthony games thirty eight when they won twenty six through twelve. I'm leija's they've got beat when our played for them the other first aid we do the best players in the county. We never used to get even bother sort of second say you know. We wish we used to with nine nil. Just always used to with nine york. Football saw matt cricket. Oh no no. No when i was playing with is play. Football played for good sort of sided. Agile football we used a win. Nine in order you the best in your ten mile radius. Yes well yes yes. In our county concerned we with the vegetables the thirteenth inning rodwell. Okay that's incredible record snow on another list. But he would he be on. The list was. But i mean you must then the rules in there as well on the support through through. The michael phelps didn't win every gold won twenty eight medals twenty-three gold you know they still didn't lose or a cab just plan that. Just say okay no no. I mean. I'll put them on the be list for now all loss snow. Your team owned but peltz's for this on the list. What what about any other football sharer share goalscoring record yet mean that is spoken about every single week. Pretty much amity get to sixty six. Yeah and that was the nearest sued. You now. two hundred. I mean it. It's there awhile fund and not playing a queiroz. Just you know guerra's leaving city an he's miles off but still i think he's still two hundred plus sheer often. Says cain can because he's done. The first hundred really quickly isn't he. He's like hundred. Fifty is about the talks about the time. You've got to get it in as well as you say. That's taken a a ten move longer. Tenure terrorism we think think of the incredible goalscorers the have played in the permanently goes sustained period of time. Just haven't not the games to actually school amount goals that and to stay fit to stay on full and he wasn't always playing in the championship. Premiership winning now club. Susan you also which are at a challenge but then were sort of in the top. Ten for a few years got near maybe should have won that title. It's not like he was a united or liverpool. I could you imagine if he does even tapping amon if he was playing liverpool whatever it would appropriate scored another on germany. And and that is that is such a sort off the record as well. Yes scoring hours. Obviously one is about cheer on list and k token about other token about sports that you roughly about moolah richards test wickets was that a law. Seventy and seven hundred. Seven is it. He's aides he's all time. Yeah i don't think anyone's going to have enough time to beat that. I don't think longevity of their career s conditions picci's. I just don't think they can appear almost play enough games in the main to actually even then come closer even if even if they are sort of like the next. Shane warne. the next miller. richard. I don't think the way that the game has changed you know. I don't think they can have enough test matches even to try and sort of like beat that are saying. Yeah yeah i. Won't he was seventy eight or seem to remember. Because he's got a gin. That's cool seven. Wicky is probably the amount of genes. It's a little bit short seven. Alright yeah to beat. Shane warne who everyone. Then say a little bit like you were saying about the sheera to then actually get more the bulletin he is. It warned his second and worn as sort of almost then thought of of actually being the better. Bala rarely in a funny away. You would probably have shame warning the aside from a murli. I think merli got a bulk of his records at hoed speak made on the new little bit. Might be wrong there. But this is about records yes obsessed. I'm saying that moodley to get the amount a wickets. It's that is phenomenal. He's also capable on the list of what they think. Nothing i'm gonna struggle. Merlet began stronger than brian. Lara's trae seven five. Oh forgot about that. How can i forget about that. Always there how eighty four hundred three hundred seventy four. See there again. I don't think you can get three hundred. You can get four hundred now because you declare. What are you gonna go gonna get eight hundred. I don't think the time now days means that you can actually get four hundred runs in excess match. Almost clock so serve lower has the record for the most ski rose runs scored in an in a test match an incorrect. Four hundred rocket is now. Yeah in cricketing terms. Surely the highest test goal and most tests wicky sees. Is that not the gold at the end of the rainbows will yeah get any bigger than that now. No not so not the accumulation of runs in an career. Perhaps some what have you. I think someone one day will will will be. Brian's knock just by going. Absolutely teeing off someone i could chris gayle or someone. Not these guys now must play one day cricket in test match cricket you know be going a seven and eight and over and if you play one hundred forty overs. Roughly one hundred twenty overs in test match innings. Roughly if you yourself you're going up four and over you're going to beat it and i think guys nowadays woop do that but just don't think that you'll get on the run of wickets or as early on. I think he could be could be strong. I think it could be seven or eight. Think for a suggestion that may not necessarily be global. Okay but the ronnie o'sullivan one four seven fast is brighter. Correct as records go and and taking into consideration. What your saying they feel about whether it's for hostile. I'm not We we can't say never. But i i would i could. Someone gave me odds on that record breaking. I would a neil not yet. Terry griffiths will deliver be enough. But if he's got a a rocket our back so he will never be the time now and it and even if i think it was because runny was that a plays. He's running isn't he. Plays relatively quickly but you could see. He was trying to play for any plan. Now if they just went away from their speed they probably still wouldn't do it quick enough but they wouldn't actually be successful because they'd be deemed to be russia. Was it one thousand nine hundred ninety seven on our member where i was those slogan and ex girlfriend one i. I was stickers on in the background. The scored the the the the referee kept going one eight nine six day. What is happening. Quick look at ira high baby before you now. After a companies own debate targeted chop off sorry four ply them none. Why should we discussed didn't rotate to make it last. Where's cliff though bird. Siri griffiths with you. Roni right count five minute five minutes very often. Just i mean just absolutely running round the driver's them just to just to actually walk there queue up get choke on the india q. Loving things up and think ahead. Yeah now that's a great show and to and in his head he must have been there. He must have been thinking or going foster. Could break the record for being the fast as well as as you say forward thinking mike get an accurate then. Thinking are right now. I've got to do it quickly matt. They're matt yet great show. That could be followeth law but they get a load of money if they do the maximum break so he was risking the fact. You think of a slow down in new towards the end where the over one hundred thousand sounds was just bang bang bang and it wasn't always the advert a knocks. You will never forget runny. The one that's just a mind we got seventy yet. Another one that springs to mind is that we've talked about once or twice of tom. Brady seven superman. He's talking about fitness. You're talking about getting crunched and smashed up where we a career. I mean the the. How long is a career in american football. Not law is not wanna ease falter. He's early. I mean that is at some so a phenomenal effort. That is yeah to lead a two seven super bowls and mvp in five of them as just come on. Yeah yeah i mean. He's going to calm to that. What's the most other people want to fold Wall to pay to see it will pay. Sorry a peyton manning peyton as one a couple of think cutlass. Go forward on marina road absolutely. Yeah heavy but you'd never done two or three and we. We spoke about football shares out doing others. Yeah yeah the whole sort of pele. And ronaldo bit on total is that is it a bit ambiguous because of record how many how many goes they've schooled in. You know from when they were playing in the local finchley team like toughest was playing a definitive. The ranaldo has got more goals than pele now. Donna champions league top of the list with one hundred and thirty full messy second on one hundred nineteen roney who who else sinking rugby records. Well cup winners can difficult to to pick out an individual holding a record. Allah win jones being the most capped. Rugby plan ever is an incredible achievement. Can you say that. They broncos dose in your guy. He's just always played as nah. I think are probably cancer being broken But to to be you know to to be in a powerhouse. In indian weakened wake out in eighteen minutes in ahmad cap is a bit of a freak of nature without of got. Just another one. If you're talking about a little freak of nature about that. And i'll have done a little bit of research here One little bit of research brett farr father. Another american quarterback three hundred and twenty one consecutive games so never got called never got dropped never got drew hoped which great shell as well. Yeah never missed. the bus. You know never never never slept in our sorry. Were you talking about reasons why you have to miss the bus. But you've missed the bus of the bus to see. What would i do at a twenty or years. I played well notes or twelve fifteen years. So roughly for english avenue missed the bus four times which i thought was quite good. Pro rata good the amount of buses. I i should have got. I usually got which. I felt really good for our live. By which is a pretty good pretty good stat. Considering what i was up to. You'll right not only injury wise in a game where people get injured just for playing the game in american football. Probably one of the toughest physically games you can play but then also what you said wasn't dropped wasn't dropped also performed so that stood up twenty years that's is huge. I can't see that being beaten ever. That's remarkable yeah now wife's having a baby i wonder whether not only is that an incredible statistic for america whether that ever been being now honest any spoleto atas to cook had an amazing run of form of of something like that and i think this is cricket And i think that that was like oh what was the hundred and something you don't make consecutive games played for a year or even might not be that obeyed something eighty or ninety. I'm not quite sure but that is phenomenal style. I think brett's on the list. For that came britain brent is on the list the democrat. What am i saw pete. Peter shilton hundred and twenty-five five caps for england holds the record for that an amazing one thousand three hundred ninety competitive appearances. Us won't thousand thousand three hundred nine thousand nine hundred thousand nine. Yes i think. Only a goalkeeper could perhaps have that stat. Yeah because you to pull a happy you get a twist who you're going to do a ligament or something. It's just the nature of the game to be quite a long career. Think oh got about four hundred games. Yes and that's more than three times. As it amazing i think could get that stats up Yeah what about tennessee will. What about the dowell. Winning at the french thirty victories ame- he's was thirty three thirty four. I mean it's. It's just an astonishing. I mean we thought you know roger federer. winning eight wimbledon's was going to be pretty special but now now he's one thirteen. One event dominance and who would be perhaps who would be second behind what they would be. It would be about djokovic. And they're they're all their only because djokovic. The assertion of bernard on the northbound our thirteen in all the same event Talking i mean they both on twenty actual grand slam championships but thirteen. I mean everyone's saying that. That will never be broken. Well but it's it's a bit the same way that you say. Well you know all records there to be broken into yes. Carry on playing later. Light the likes of federal you know carrying on a Not the same as a ronnie o'sullivan remarkable fowl who is gonna is gonna get close to thirteen my job. I remember saying that when federal was on seventeen grand slam titles and the others were down about ten eleven. And we sit down. No one's going to catch federer now breakfast on the same on twenty jovic. Everyone's saying is is going to overtake him. Who would you rather have a cup of tea with. Sue federal or the dow it if i had to choose a cup of tea. It song you know. It's really tricky now. Huge federal fan. But this something about the dull. The is is and the way he is wimbledon. The fans he wins over because it's not as surface and the matches that he's played in recent years. You know everyone's becoming so much more Rafeh fans as well. I think i think they're both both up there and lesson. He's he's probably going to beat them both as far as grand slam titles go but you know we we. We have you know. We just don't know so she's having to go to the spending it. What about phil taylor darts. Sixty eight i mean he was he was unbeatable. Yeah it was truly unbeatable. They wouldn't have been far off big consecutive either. Would yeah yeah. The range would have been narrow. Wouldn't it twenty years or so Yeah every tell me wraps up. Faux it could be in there. Talking attended. sue was the longest. What was it. Sixty seventy sixty eight seventy sixty in the fifth. The fifth the fifth set was longer than the longest tennis match in history prior to that just the fifth set was longer than the longest match at wimbledon prior to that. Can you see that ever been. Broker won't be now because they've got a tiebreaker twelve all in the fear and now as we always say that will differ broke never be broken now has to be that has to be yes ninety six and the fact that they turned up. Who who who and janis is right so these two of turned up three days. The neck green the next day. Yes lake finished they. They went hove phil. They've gone home thinking. I'll go finish this tomorrow. Whatever and they've played the whole of the next dial because they they wouldn't start early because they would have given them time to recover and then get themselves ready so they wouldn't have started to lapel early afternoon. They wouldn't start the beginning. You had larry sleeves you had three sleeps. Sleeps yes to sleep in a in a tennis. Passover eleven hours. It's ridiculous we surely would have just thought you'd gone to bed off thinking well we'll get done. That's your own no needs to needs to put the house for another night of paint of gaga opened up pint spare road also the car blood so i love conquers this bloody teddy spanish. We don't get that one. We're playing golf. Ecologists firing say so sorry dawn. I'm not coming back. I is gulf. That's colby that's go. Pick out there awesome. That is a nice but that was that was a whole day on one set. One set probably would have been yes. I'll come on this way. We weren't on live all the would have been a light. One older crowd to dot with neck bracy because made what about the empire talk. We had a lovely guy. Is gold ronald mcintosh. She does a lotta commentary stop and he turned up at wimbledon and it was his first ever coventry and he called. This nine. couldn't leave the country issues at work. I geek and i can't explain thought it was a quiet since god after that ever saw. No he's been back. He's at another marathons. Nobody wants nightmares about who. Just go up to courtney whispered they become just big buddies. Who in isn't it. It's almost like they. Shared a bit of history and the now from frenzy hardly knew each other before said before we get one bound gulf doors. You follow this. Jack live with but he said okay so majors one yup the ongoing discussion around. Yeah eah era. But it's i think. Jack's go to being with the charts purely because if you have a lot tiger woods who is could easily be. August is the best golfer in the world. could not bright jack nicklaus's record of eighteen major. Anything else doesn't that springs to mind gulf. Sadly tigers page. I told wins. Eighteen hundred for now is is insane and with the field being so competitive as the crucial. All you know winning that major in pebble beach by a ridiculous amount the largest winning margin in a major. I mean they're on a typist. So many of those in the so many records lewis. Hamilton is going to have bunkers of records with plo positions. Rices one winning laps. Yeah i mean that there are so many of them. I that that engulf here. That is the one record. Everybody talks about it. If you're into gopher little bit of your into a lot yoga know the jack nicklaus as eighteen majors and everybody's hunting it down even talk at close to it so jack maybe taga call get close to it who and then the rest are at. The current crop might have four or five then okay. It's you know. Jack ma stop jackpot on coke it. I'll put him down. We'll debate. what about boxing. Any joe council got defeated forty. Six was it yep boy. Six only six comes. Zaki undefeated is going to be on that to have full six punt shops. I mean we're talking about an automated. We're talking about the visibles and everything you know. There's a few draws is known as a few this this and that but to have forty six pumped shops get paid fighting in that aspect. Eubank roy jones junior yeah. He was a good vince. Fine journeyman there was a row chopper tree fights when i really i mean obviously over the world would over the well. That's a four records. -secutive blow floyd weather. Fifty five fifty wins twenty seven by ko core dunk. Agate at fifty pounds and everyone's out of popham any won't get any kind of run. The la an tight mayweather on his. Yeah come on the dales with it. Moves on yeah right. My weather's with wigan after narrow this down quite a long list here to read them out. Phelps oat jonathan edwards ed moses shearer muralitharan ronnie. Tom brady brett. Farve is number. Who tiger jack nicklaus and floyd mayweather pick the bugs out that law. Let's let's go with the absolute definite south of than let's work. Not wage phelps definitely phelps in a rodeo sullivan as well minutes twenty seconds or whatever it will roll for about four hours. Get seven systemic tennis tennis. Oh who is amazing record or whatever yes definitely but he's not going to happen again because have changed the rules and of course we're all still on the be list remember. Yeah so we've got. Three phelps runny is who what about jonathan edwards. Ed moses yeah jonathan edwards gopi. I'll think followed by very closely. By at moses gate shearer muralithan tom brady. Brett farve are like three hundred twenty could sick three hundred and twenty allied that phil. I mean it's ridiculous but it stands out more as a record is stands out says that more than the seven super bowl yes on might your i as a record you as there will be know that was a that was a team effort to get that record whereas this is full fitness everything. That's gotta be next earth. Okay i think floyd mayweather fifty. Yeah what are we say about. But original shera. Who's who's not in front their on. I'm gonna say seven hundred thirty auto ever many wicked seagull. Abc's astronomical the greatest in the world the great y- you think about the greatest of greatest. You courtney walsh curtly. Ambrose malcolm marshall. Than-thank you all for them for leandra. An amorous jimmy carter jimmy anderson six inch. Jimmy's go to six hundred but he's still rot hundred. Yeah yeah he's not going to get there. He's not gonna gum mappi to go with you. Feel yeah honestly. I am your shearer. I mean as you say didn't play for the big teams you know the sort of new council blackburn. Yeah go yet. Only share jack nicklaus frady to were about Yeah go but are they. Above jack the invincibles all they above. Jack nicklaus out now. Since you want jack in. Yeah i think so. Yeah nine and we've got sheera got bolton. We've got bolt sharer radi tiger arsenal for one place. Oh good luck. Six share a bright diaz no tiger the atp winds may eighty plus probably eighty five six tigers. Go being there for me as well. Best of the business for twenty years plus it above boats. You you weren't. That impressed with the bowl will record way. He obliterated it. But that's yes. I'll just i'll just on have the fastest man on the planet in a list off cape who's gonna more records as anyone go a chance of getting eighty plus pga. Wig's not as anyone got a chance. But he's he's only a few ahead of always level with tiger woods is level with sam snead on eighty. Two jack nicklaus is on seventy three always got about his kobi. If if tiger woods is level with sabs need that lays bolt bolt for me. Then the fastest man on the planet caught him. Believe with ease the loss to be we can move the ten. We've got his our ten phelps. Ronnie the tennis mma who jonathan ed moses brett farve mayweather murli. Jack nicklaus volts doesn't have to be in that order per by people that i'm yeah i'm not although with that. You know the top five phelps. We've already talked about bernice. Fastest the longest match. Jonathan stood for so long ed moses again longevity but then it gets far Mayweather murli nicklaus bolt anything. You'd want to change from those. You can leave it lock. It's lucky in long eighteen. We've done it. 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Top 10 Sporting Mavericks
"Fairplay in fair value. It's what playing william hill is all about putting a male it's replacement gumbo responsibly Hello and welcome to the ultimate top. Tens of sports brought to you by promoter. I'm sue barker. Along with matt dawson and phil tufnel and the challenge. I have beauty today. I think you're gonna enjoy this one. It is the top ten. Sporting mavericks sporting mavericks right. Yeah what's your definition of maverick. So if you look up maverick. It says unorthodox or independent minded person. Oh unorthodox so independent minded could be a few involved in silence. Start with cricket. Yes often we're talking about most. It often wasn't it up. It'll a few more than me over a few a few more better records. It's do you need recco. Doug i think i think if you speak to people you know crooked fines they would say that you have ever maverick an a legendary status. Tough all right. Put the are you happy with being labeled a maverick absolutely no absolute definition sutures. Just read l. Paps something me up quite will there. So yeah cricket for show up. He thinking along the lines of the imposed Shame ward in kevin pizzas. Perhaps so my suggestions for cricket straight off the bat a muscle. Fatima amounted to be mentioned into a category. I won't take a long cape. did things like that. Social reinvented shock. Didn't need that. The switch hit and everything did things. He's on way that is for sure as did warn Yet cricket fit quite a rich hunting ground for metrics to be fair those four. Ah pretty up there. Betas as turkey's net. Because the the the sometimes maverick can be sort of misconstrued as negative or as something that needs to be managed a bit of a liability in some sports. Oppose other spoils love a maverick. Because they bring the unexpected yasser the guy yet Just quickly than for football gazza gas the list as an hundred percent yet. But as you say someone who you won't be aside as you save mavericks really sort. Sometimes the the the final cog in the machine that makes it will close. Isn't it sometimes and it's also about being watchable as well. Isn't it civil. You wanna watch him you on the tv. You wanted to see what they do. The i can do something a little bit out. So cricket has got to be in a capeeze got to be in. There and shane warne. His one shane warne was a maverick. You know planet is own way. They wouldn't necessarily selfish players. You know what i mean. They weren't to someone doing their own thing. And so much salt the tape. You know these guys roof doing it for the team. Perhaps as well condom mavericks for that can be perceived. Sometimes they all been selfish. Yeah you'll you'll sign. Those types of maverick saw in. Their minds are being absolute team players but their actions could be misconstrued as selfish. Yeah that's right not a lot of that sort of or do we want him to be. What do we want to play was east of my good for the state. We're not saying off advocating mavericks all day long. Because they had the geyser usually difference in a funny so why did on him sign that. I'll tell you. I think if if you if you're going be classes of maverick. You've got a f. ing good. Yeah so you might just not me out of old. not so what. One of england's finest spin is a big thing for the creaky will take care of them three both the warn slot. Yeah the mob area for a couple of them on that. yeah but they. There's going to be an an element of uncontrollable car. That sort of characteristic of the management don't really know how they fit into the team. But you know you gotta have them in the team but this so good you to sort of cauti- talent because that's what it's trying to in rugby you've got people are danny cipriani austin healey finn russell it perhaps in roughly there's no Room for mavericks. Are you've a- do your job. You've got a big disciplined. Whether i in the in the world cup no three austin healey every squad for two or three years before would play. Most most games it would be verging on undrivable. You'd think he played every position apart from center for england. Winger fullback flyhalf scrum-half how they all so talented and yet didn't go to the world cup because i think that was a part of clive. That couldn't control him but there is no question that he was talented bull talented than a lot of the other players. And i don't know. Is that what local happens there. Isn yeah but then. I think some of the spokes as you say light gases the capeeze. Both of in ropley doesn't necessarily apply the three names that you've just nightmare in bubby you'd say didn't achieve their potential That that's that's fair enough. There isn't the there. Is the the scope to be as successful. Maverick in now in rookie. Certainly in england the if you applying in some like finn russell in scotland at the moment. Who's absolutely maverick. But they need him to generate something within their tame whereas i think those types of new zealand or england south africa those those with the bigger player base. They would err on the side of caution and not go with a maverick rugby's probably not good example of their showcasing cricket. Cambay what about tennis andre agassi. I suppose the main one who springs to mind. If anyone's readies autobiography really enjoy came didn't like it. I mean he. He came over a didn't play at wimbledon. he didn't agree with the all white. The tradition that went with wimbledon. So he skipped it. You know we we now know he wore ahead piece for his image and he he was probably the one vitas was a real show man you know he was wonderful. But and a bit of a maverick but certainly not in the same league we would get in into that. Billie jean king was a maverick sort of you. Know going away from the tour and doing that. But i don't think any of the tennis players i would put Dramatic here mike. Would joe mack would probably be the one because of the outbursts. And i mean it did affect him. He when i talked to him about it. You know the i think he does realize it did possibly affect him. Maybe winning more slams. He certainly lost the desire when board retired because his whole focus was beating beyond and the ad watch beyond went five wimbledons a row and of course beaten him in the in the fifth one and when be on retired at the age of twenty five maximov was never quite the same player you know. He had a great rivalry with corners. As well suspects mac. Mcafee would be the two that i would call on that but when you when you think about football you have the likes. You know eric cantona and people. I think you know it's a different. Yeah different. sort of maverick. Isn't it in a way. And he was such a leader as well. And i mean if you're in a team with him be quite happy wouldn't you wonder what the differences between those types of mavericks. You just mentioned that. Eric cantona which every single club in the world would have him in. Hoppy to the maverick where You think oh be reliability but we used to call them. Daisy players. maverick Eric cantor is instead waste football sundays. He doesn't some daisy done daisies over daisy. When i was good always good but sometimes if things didn't go away necessarily you could perhaps well. That's not avid say. Not reliable but some of those. Maverick people as you say it's not all or for wasn't you know what i mean. That school full goes a and b the absolute man of the match. All so of lyon. Just not get into the game. And that's when think that. The limit for coaches manages it. They will ways having such a way. That up would pay a little bit but apart from the knights of warren. Who did it all the time. It not old. It's unknown can do it with a time but yet cans nar to seem to always know ways be playing well that mavericks or why the canton. All gaza gopi narendra What about best best. This come on. Probably the biggest maverick of gaza and best call would massacre. Noel canton and gaza best water night. Allies see goals go seagulls newcastle brown. I'll had cigarette miss world one nine and throw in this world cup exactly. Wow abrahama vich would you put him in now. Yes yes yes maybe not not in. If you're going football. I think maybe those three above nice at matt's go out there the moment i mean he's cool so keep it coming willia- struggle to get ten. I think you'd say the took at the heart. You maradona is just everything. But he was a genius wasn't yes he does have some some Yes i think equal saying that mavericks were. Gds's as well not just k- yeah every sort of narrow it down to that on the all the going to be number one then toughest were. Don't have out. That warning might be not ahead of faith e olya of these guys would. Gds's your roy. Yeah nope just you know larger than life characters. Who came to the party of talented genius. Non mavericks are pack can talented a talented genius. Someone like federal. But he's not a maverick is no correct. Yes that's right would put were. Federer's and maverick amadeus geniuses. Do you know that are not talented. No but you know a lot of talented people that are is going around in circles here genius. I'm a really stupid looking for that long. But you're right warney at that that first bully bold yeah. I'm just amazing. I did just kept doing as well. But did in that. Maverick star with the airing in the head counselor. This that but that's just. What about dennis. This rodman dennis now. Of course. Dennis rodman. Dennis rodman got. You'll be till for the league. I got to vote number one. He was a funny lad but there again very talented. But he's sort of way he was an so that you wouldn't necessarily call him a genius would you. He was just sort of as you say. It was a total maverick. They play a part in that side. Didn't he was very player as well. Absolutely yeah did a donkey work through the other guys. Didn't he and he can wear a wedding dress. that's wrong. Think cancer cantonal of best gaza camp nor best. What about hurricane. Higgins alex higgins. Golic secrets coaches mavericks or run sullivan. Wrote son of of where it comes to snake. Oh i think he probably go ahead. Let's be above. Jimmy y analogy he at ronnie o'sullivan jet jimmy. Let's go to be in that class. The mavericks he's off the table playing left-handed ryan did what he says in the press. Turns up doesn't turn up. Yeah you're thinking more ronnie for that. Don't you ronna roni view on snooker is wrought ronnie would be. There would be the maverick when it came to smoke about mike tyson. To say was really aren't a more hard but would you. Would you call him a maverick. Sooner or you say sarah. Let's start this sensory. Are you a maverick. Probably wouldn't be my first question. Might be my last as. I'm leaving the door. I didn't think there is a i mean. Would you put chris eubank. Guess chris chris you back perhaps more than mike tyson. Yes kristie by asa great show. He's probably the perfect read. That definition out. Get sued of maverick unorthodox or independent minded person. Got to be chris you back christie by mike. Tyson actually did not so the history you know. He knew he knew what he was. A rebound i think eubanks was that sort of even knew what he was doing everything that but he was a complete of the war and his style than they eat the invented. A new style. Perhaps chris eubank about bradley wiggins would i put him above some of those. We've already mentioned now. Don't even know the sports for you to talk about ayers and senna we'll be back after this short break fairplay in fair value. It's what playing it. William hill is all about putting a male. it's you play gumbo responsibly. Daley thompson was a maverick daily data services. A great shout yet. Have you pulled out from so write-up their raw taught. They're whistling national and wearing wearing a truck to his mates wedding. Yeah what you saying you. Same boat maverick. Is the map frick. I don't think he's a mad bomber down as quirky is cook cubic. No i wouldn't. I wouldn't say they always feel the maverick. There's an element of sort of being controversial. Yes yes. I wouldn't say you sign was controversial in many ways is you does john daly all your belts. They're gonna work on. We'll be because i had a wild fish. We should these stores and do the mall. If you'd be sitting here long enough you would have come up with them. I'm just had such a long list here. And you've got to pick a top ten and i just not show how you're gonna do it great. I'm not eight. john daly there no other golfers. They're a bunch of as we went to. What chan the masters have. You been been other jit knockout. When we wasn't invite there is nothing at all. You've got the the office grounds which is so beautifully manicured and looks incredible. At the moment you get out of the grounds it's it's warm. We are high straight. But there's one main drag looks very industrial with mcdonald's and wings center and hooters and all those food joints all the way down with a few balls and then turn right onto magnolia lane. And you in heaven. it's a. It's a really really bizarre sort of the words words for two completely different environments. Anyway we paul miles away and walk a which we did and we got to the final road to crossover to walk down near enough magnolia night and in the car park sale outside a like a stage coach bus with a massive q. Of goods of people was john. Daly set sat behind like a little picnic table in a shirt and his loud trousers. Signing signings go fulls and pictures for five for ten a- and it's it was that every single day wasn't allowed in on the premises because he wasn't invited but deleted have spent this week. I'm going to go outside of august. I'm just gonna go and sign stuff for nine hours of the dice to make his living. You could say eight. People were showing parts of their anatomy to sign. The men will get inside and getting things tattooed over the top of it. I mean it was bonkers yom having him as a maverick some sports. Don't lend themselves as you say to mavericks out. Can you be a maverick. Goals is tiger. Maverick is filmmakers maverick. Because they play than everybody else or is just that part game. You've got to be capable of planning. Yeah show what. How frankie dettori. You think he'd just because he jumps off his horse when he actually yes and then we tell him on him. You see the bubbly that he doesn't strike me. I'll be no. Nobody's quite sure doesn't strike me as a jockey. That couplets ends up naomi's by you know maybe sort of you know. He's a bit of a larger than life character visiting frank. Who's on your list. So fasten your long list. So taveres both worn flintoff peterson. Cantina mcenroe best ibrahima vich maradona. Rodman i think we got rid of hurricane. Higgins run sullivan than chris. Eubank daley thompson. John daly and tori. There's a law crickets others. What one of those folks who we missing. What about them was the The mohican place. Dawn's heater rights peter light. I mean if you call up the pink. Green mohican could be a little bit african yet to play pool. You that yeah. And we'll athletes swimmers site if they have to be so condition spokesman cricketer drink. Fifteenpoints loggers doodo outscore hundred. You if he or she could sit down a few weeks. Go get a you know it was swimming and these athletic. You've got to be some data can go. Cab can maverick be dedicated. Its yeah well a lot of people in there. I mean cantona morning so he dedicated. But you know what. I'm saying a swimmer. It doesn't give you a lot of rube to be an average because you within the poll here from seventy water in his face. Some it's difficult to sort of figure out. How could you be a maverick. If your if your long distance rana by any of the american sport so we miss annual up at spoke about the fridge. The fridge william perry although it's got back into okay. Cowboy was a maverick. He was just a fridge. Just olma big walter. Rugby grow david campaigs lately. Face yeah okay. yeah camera. Shy of a word. I think he would probably be the most successful maverick had woke up with a record. Try scorer yeah. you're still very opinionated. Nobody knows geoffrey. Boycott was a maverick long weeks spouse. You hide what's he would. He be ahead of flintoff. Peterson warn both are not but for by sigel by or whatever that thing in the end minded he suddenly that he certainly used to come what she played. it is suited. Did you lost me a final in sydney by telling the whole crowd against me tell this this was in the final in sydney and I've won the first set and then the six one and then the england cricket is i mean. Bikes turned up. I think grand delete was there and about six of them. I can't remember who they will were now but boy extended go and of course. The crowd started booing him. And then booing me But luckily i second set six four and he was screaming as us making a speech. And i said thank you promise. Losing me the matt jeff. Would you shut up you know. Red alcott gone companies token of boycott story. You've got an absolute parlor. Was that one when he went for when you went for barbecue is places at africa africa. Human vote he turned up to his place on a golf course somewhere. You driving up the driveway and he came out of out of the how a greeted you. It is flip flops shorts and just to teach an a white teacher on the front of it was a picture of him then under the picture of him it said legend. There's another story jeffrey. We do good team s We got the on and everything not that aga's as just before lunchtime and he said who's coming on for the view from the boundary so Address what we haven't managed to get someone to come in and sort of like fill the lunchtime slot which has chatabal and the number of summits coming into the phone studies. We we've managed to get alice cooper. The the rock staw- i. This is going on with jeffrey. Actually we've got alice cooper coming over time and jeffrey saw this blank face. Just come over. Jeffrey apps and our will anyway. That's lunch that's geneva. The two hundred sixty five for seven. Thanks very much jeffrey And in the meantime at is has come in with these entourages about fifteen people. Why is manager and everything not. He's gonna leather jacket on these makeup on and his snake grabbed his neck. And he's turned around and jeffries who can you will scoop was coming now. So he's turned round to these entourages sitting in the back of the box. Gone up to mris. Copa am gone or alice. Low called scooping exterior wall. I got that logger hysterical. Alice off different solely miss. Well we are now. Wouldn't necessarily cody. Maverick perhaps we need to lose a few of this. Do you think. The tores a maverick. Perhaps not in the ten. We think are those walks. Fraud trump no talk ten. Why don't we try. Who's the number one. And i think number one is gonna be dennis rodman yet. I haven't i think. Kloesel global maverick. Yes yes emma watson you fancy daily right near the top of the list of near john daly or daly tuneup. Daily talk to make dailies giant. There is joe. john dial is going to be out. Nah i mean schoenborn. Cancel globalist manhattan gazza. I can't see how they call me it whether they're are. No signs footballers fatter. A concert can reinvest maradona. I'm really joined by the way you keep saying. Maradona breast cancer. Nar self get this podcast with so this is going to be your mom called rewarded morning. Toughness sound even to be in the same great on blushing so we think that worn gaza cantona mcenroe best maradona. Probably the next with john. Yeah but as you think. Cantona or wound best. Carl being there has been in there somewhere pm more than both of them. I think so. Do for some reason both Doesn't seem to be a maverick to me as much creek racy. I mean you know you've ruined with the guy. But i think i think the rummy now of take me out a might mention you retired maverick. Certainly that won't pay them. I mean they've got being there for me. Okay there only never trying to do the top five. Though pints drunk. I think best best trying to be a controversial. That's whereas always felt the continental had that show pony about was courting the caller up and yeah look at what i did whereas best zombie. Just get on with. Is i am i but yeah. That's very good point. Glue to go to. Oh i don't know trying to get the top five here said cana mcenroe best marital noon to warn executive. Okay morning. Shane warne. Sue gazza Gasol cancer now non as a footsie boies who's in front with who gazza for me crikey. Raleigh came back with a pair of plastic breasts on that. Does it for me. Cats dollars server plastic true number. Three guys it always anyone who's going to organize a celebration is a celebration with three spraying water. You drink it it for the dentist. Read meditated love. It got to be outlive bullishness. Way go gather get nothing. And then nothing cats narrow best or mcenroe or 'maradona. I didn't warn to maradonna is a gun. Not as a manfried a warmed george best are walled to cancel. Nargilehs guys did necessary wall to remain a stranger now that those soap so much talent and yet we reviewed. If you're thinking about the the word maverick there. There is often an element of of wool. Then you want to look off to them via their entertaining you innocent away. Whereas maradona was just cheating is way into doing stuff. I would agree not not. Condoning footballers karate kick people in the crowd now but that was just. I've never seen anything. I can still remember that. Just leaped into the crowd against crystal palace just shock so we have in canton out there but we could always change. Yeah campo talking. Canton often campos great. Show ken david kemp easy because he said no no no. I'm just saying in the list. But i'm just reminding you who you've got here you mcenroe. Best abraham event. Maradona david campaign. Chris eubank chris. Eubank eubanks got in view by. He's he's gonna be locked. Yeah surely is the definition of being a maverick as knee could he could he could he go to. Won't your eubank leaves it in ahead gazza. You've got rodman warn. Gather at the moment. Where would you put you bank the multiple. The trucks drummer took to babysit shepherd's. Bush lights for questioners pool has been filled. No it was you. When he went down to the midland. We almost lost our whole audience. We love couldn't get in. We couldn't get in. Because the truck had blocked the enter the mentions horseshoe and he'd just driven it's straightforward into the internet spices and it was backed up every now and again skopje. To see guys. Thanks thanks beat. W was just one of the leads in the right maverick but it was to prop of view back to you. Happy with you so so. I'm very happy with that. I think absolutely does you back to you back to ronnie. Of course suv left. You've got to both them peterson. Mcenroe best ibrahimovic 'maradona rony daley thompson john. Daly and camp lazy. Peter writers could be chalk dust. He's gloomy unreasonable to see prescription back. Wore it and i wanted to be a rebel again. A genius clothes brand for the rebel. Tonight he was compelling view. It was competitive. Johnny mak when there was it was his on did sunday. Yet wimbledon amid you've used to race from plights bowl and watch johnny play. I'll put him in next. We can always change it so we've now got four to choose from. You won't peterson in more than both of them do toughness. That's a big coal. Would you dolls fattening sir. Well i think over the years. I think peterson has been known. And his commentated on an judged as being a bit of a maverick opposed to be fee was good all round talent. And no i listen. We know beefy. Without dishing the dell and we know that caused havoc bid on toes and all the rest of it driving sports cars into lakes jordan. On all you go f- basically you go. Okay well. listen we're in your house. Scott beefy scot. He's on the list. So we how peterson best. Ibrahima vich maradona. Ronnie o'sullivan daley thompson. John daly campo to basically. We've got have ronnie o'sullivan yet. Rodney rodney. i think definitely. I think john daly to the rodeo. Does is outlined as you number one in the world one of the world champ chavez just soon as i wanted flicking fairly thin and iran say john daly when the cutler marriages never did a ryder cup. Doc's office wasn't he was box office. But then we've got daley thompson. We have gone. Still best abraham bitch maradona and campo something. If george best is not but said on the mavericks this improper boise front of while we. That's a really good point because if you listed out why is george. Best a maverick. And then you look above. They've got a tick that box. I'm diane some we put. We put best in just remember reports champagne sauce with miss. Not but said georgia look look ahead of him. We got rodman. Eubank worn gaza cantona. Mcenroe does best go before. I be swapping for cancer. Yes perhaps take. Canton are out. No but just puts him ahead of cantona swapped position. Yeah so gaza's four and cannons five. Where'd you wanna put best four four. So he's after oranje. Could you imagine a night. Our this town and i'd be twelve band. I'll go on sale. Well selling tickets the way while if you come home with the drinks. This may be paul. This'll be a few be a few drinks. Companies want to sponsor that might put you is number eleven so lovely thank you so i'd like to be involved so many spots have we got left sue. We've got three uncle rodman. Eubank won best. Gaza cantona mcenroe is the deficits and i saw on the list john lewis. I think we're saying beefy and ronnie canadian. Where do they go after the six. Oh yeah the both them. Then ronnie o'sullivan yeah then mcenroe's seven both eight. Yes nine of any one space one. Two five six seven wanted to go. John daly daley thompson david campaign. Maradona abraham which peterson flintoff toughest. Diana tough because given that company the favorite for me. That is tough us. That's a quick assessment of the characters. The stories than those listening do there. That's the well hold on a minute. Hopefully it could be. They're all asleep putting tough as number. How how many of these a how. Many the cartoon from toughest book. How many of these have been detained. Yeah a up. Now look at the cold light of day. I'll probably i said i'm happy. Speed this with you would old thinking about thinking moral good. you assume. Tell me you can't tell there is absolutely every charter. Toughest could buy a story. That is just as maverick. Like as any johnson saying of. Go to vegas to go and get roadbed. Because he stuck at a casino. joel. Michael johnson does not hold on. Sorry yeah i mean you'll cricket nights could probably they've carried you many places out of many within a given probably both in fact these me most of those places these involvement come unless other means where we ten ten. So you'll find a list is like eubank born fest. Gazza canton mcenroe ronnie and toughest exit. We have said that was fun isn't it. I mean we've blessed on the sideline john daley thompson and kippen. How kevin pizza maradonna tougher. You'd be more of a maverick that they thanks for listening to the ultimate top. Tens of sport podcast if you agree or disagree with these selections or if you have any themes or topics that you'd like us to cover you can find us on social media at top ten polled all send us an email to hello at promoter dot co dot. Uk fairplay in fair value. It's what playing william hill is all about. it's replacement gumbo responsibly.
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Okay to someone and I was I was transferring them any. Okay. Which is great feature Steve. The transfer, right wonderful future, and they refuse to take it. Okay they refused to take it. It's all fine right and let's I'm not doing too much and they text me and said, I'm not I'm not accepted at too. It's too much. I'm. Not. Blow My. Horn. Here. And so. They said I re I denied it or I declined it. Okay. So, make sure you've you'll see that back. So anyway, I I I kind of have forgot about it was a few days ago. Now I'm looking I'm going. Where's the five hundred here? Right that that that I sent and? Doesn't show up. I F-. iphone said, did you tell me sent that by? It's all good. If you WANNA take it, that's what I want you to do was a family thing you know if you want to and they're like, no you, you can't do it on your phone. I can't do what? Well if you don't, if you don't decline or cancel the initial one, you'll never get it back. I said Okay I just want to cancel my phone. No, you can't do it on your phone. Okay. So into the bank I, go stevie. It's Ted York the hinges. Its. Attacks Relapse happening Stevie. Okay. It's a tech relapse. And the girl, the girl soul. So frightened, she was of me Steve that she actually pulled their mass down and said. Okay. All need to do is calm down right now. King. Embarrassing Steve Technical. To apologize to the staff at the bank today so you do have some redeeming features I just I can't think of any at the moment I got to write them down. So I remember the next time I was GONNA defend you there but really I can't think of any now should we by? Would you said off the top we should reset what happened. I was kind of a one track pony because it was only our track that ended up on yesterday's episode. So it wasn't until about nine thirty that I get up and a jump on the computer and I've got about one hundred emails saying, why is this show today only Jim your your parts all completely gone. And I don't know if you remember about this time last night is were recording podcast. If you look at the screen right now it says Steve. Oh and usually says Jim but last night I for some reason labeled U. S. WP. and. So once I had produced the show at the end of the night I saw s WPA saved and that actually was just your track. So I didn't have an intro there was no music. It was just your dry track of Jim Jerome that was the entirely entirety of the show because I thought that was the shell. So I apologize if I've if I mucked up everybody's morning yesterday a so that's what happened. Just in cal- thrilled, everyone will be steep that it was just me. That must have made a lot of sense too people going with what's Going on some people found a K- kind of weirdly compelling like Marco with a K. as you'd expect Kinda got a kick out of it. Marco with the case says, Hey Steve Your best show yet those are solid takes ll. I wonder if you've listened to the episode, we can only hear. Jungle. Like listening to Bob Newhart bit. But I'm such a sold fan on your podcast I. Still Listen to the whole thing that's from Marco with a K. people have to understand Steve, the absolute absolute misery and frustration and nightmare. Okay of doing these doing these podcasts which I do a few as you know and and you've got to, you know you've gotta get listeners right you gotta. Get listening to get engage enlighten Gera- asked for the for the follow ass for the deal right and it's it's reality is the tough part of the show so you're probably like me right you put put something out there and you see all nine responses or something are nine likes or or nine comments. Okay. But I looked today you poor pricks TV. Okay. So you do all this. Unbelievable stuff and then you think probably lit up and you're going well, the people are loving this show and I couldn't hear it could okay just thought I'd let you know. Okay right the know away Stevie if there's something wrong, you'll get a hear from everybody. Yeah it's a hard swallow but it it is a hate that and you know me, I'm I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I just sleepy moment last night and Before, we get to the show Steve. Yup Okay before we get in. Member we one of the great bits we used to do in the radio. was. What what's the worst job in the world where summer job in the world immediately I go to liquid manure barb is not how that started with she barbed liquid manure bar. That's. One of the toughest jobs everywh-. It was it was a great hit because we had so many people like month after month still weighing. So, there's a new one steve. that we should have had on that list. That I did myself today say I would quit in about four minutes of having to do this? Okay. Inca it's it's being a dry waller Steve Booker. So the flooding the basement okay. Got My buddy. Got Him over here today 'cause I gotta get the carpet, all ordered St but you wanna put up all the drywall and do that right because all the sanding you. WanNa do that first before the carpet goes in. Brought the guy over give them some work and I said I'll help you with it. Right? He goes no problem. Go pick go pick up five sheets of DRYWALL. Okay. You would know the Steve. Okay. What's I don't know what they're. They're taped together by the way steve the come in two sheets at a time for by. What are they? Two, hundred and ten? Super Awkward haven't sure I'm. Almost sixty Steve you gotta see me trying to whistle drywall onto the roof of my car. This afternoon. People are coming. They're running over. Okay. Break to of the sheets Steve to start off with. Okay. Okay. So I don't know what they cost a she twenty bucks or something I. Don't know. Anyway snap those in half. Okay by mistake. No get the drywall on the roof of the CAR Steve GotTa. Get another guy to come over and do the ratchets the straps to hold down the roof of my truck. I got a four by four. Coast the guy helps that. So I'm just sweating, this is the worst job in the world handling as she drives. So Anyway, I get home Steve Okay. True Story get the ratchets off. Okay. Just about just about cut my fingers off trying to trying to release a ratchet of the, you know these straps, these ratchet straps. Those things. Anyway get those off. So I grabbed a sheet of the DRYWALL Steve I'm GonNa, take it into my house and down stickers. Okay. Got The replacement sheets, Stevie. Okay. The two I broke. Okay. They're in the back. So I grabbed the one sheet okay. Steve and I'm like in five seconds I'm grunting and groaning. I gotta try and open the door to my house. They didn't do that. I get it in there. I was going to take a right downstairs but just leave it in my front hall. Okay. I'm going I'll wait till the guy gets here. Okay. The drywall. In, sweating Steve. So relaxed I sit down the couch and then flipped the TV on Steve. and. Forget that there's four other sheets of drywall Steve on the roof of the car. Right. In the rain Oh done. Not. Bright You're not smart. I got a truck I. GOTTA truck. Okay. With dry wall mud all over the top of it. No. Yeah. That's the thing is called. Dry Wall. WHO DOES THAT STEVE WHO looks out of the window? Owing learning the rain, it's really coming down boy what time the padres on. Click. Here At the whole Stevie. Can't Jimmy? What are you doing? Buddy a keep trying to why do you keep involving yourself just cut checks let somebody else do it. Yeah exactly. But we should move on because we've been talking a lot about handyman stuff NHL draft went tonight I was very pleased with what my Ottawa senators did. Here is the host of jeopardy Alex Tree back. Thank you Johnny. Hi, everyone, and welcome to jeopardy. Our category today is the NHL and here is the clue for you. With the third pick in the two thousand and twenty NHL draft the Ottawa senators choose this player. Was it. The correct response who is Tim Studio. So I, gotTa be honest I was one of the Best things I've seen it a draft of any kind. I was very cool to bring Alex. trebek's on to make. Announcements. And then of course, before that was Lexi frontier who went number one overall grace going there. shocker ranges, of course, taking a number one overall quinton by field next Tim stood slow and in the sense of their second selection in the number five spot the weight on Detroit obviously at four in Detroit went with Lucas Raymond the sends countered with Jake Sanderson was a bit of surprise at probably would have gone to Ford's personally, but they decided to go forward and defenceman. Maybe Lucas Raymond was the guy they kind of had teed up in the number five spot but they. Lose him to the REDWINGS and they make that call. So all good stuff sanders, it's kind of interesting. From the perspective of Peer Dory on seems to have a type lot of team USA guys, lot of North Dakota guys and a lot of guys who have fathers who played in the NHL and in Sanderson all three of those categories are covered off do stevie. We have to stand down here but well, you do this but I want to stats on the top three draft picks I wanNA hear why I want to hear what this guy's done this lasagna. Well waiting to roll something out here Steve. I want to know that. Talking about this generational talent. The General John is still here albeit he has covid connor mcdavid but. They're talking like that's going to be the next week. Let me fill me in here. Oh, good. This kid is. So over the last three years not just this year didn't you shine as an eighteen year old he sean. Seventeen and a sixteen year old so. Basically at sixteen, he had eighty points in sixty games at seventeen playing work. Playing wearing remorse Quebec junior hockey league. Okay and then his second year seventeen year old hundred, five points in sixty one games, and then in his draft year at eighteen hundred twelve points in fifty two games. So pretty special player. Right. About the other two. Well then you go to Clinton, by field needs an Ontario Hockey League play in your old stomping grounds, the Subra Wolves and We played only forty five games this past season and hate eighty two points and he just turned eighteen last month. So He's a young draft pick and he's six, foot four, two, hundred, fifteen already may not be done growing yet and he's extremely strong. And obviously ICAN. Absolutely. Light the lamp and finally your. What's his what? What's weighing? It is Kinda. He's got him just average. And Elisa frontier I take that back six to two hundred is a big boys will. And then the other one, these are the top three and Kim stood slow. The sense picked up at number three and he's He had thirty four points in forty one games, and the thing about him is that he was playing against men riding the first two guys had talked about were playing against their peers, junior players and this guy lit. Up playing against men, the wildcard is that it was in the pro hockey league in Germany, and I, don't know how much stock to put in that. But if you look at students LE's body of work, it does look When you look at the highlights that the guy has tons of flash superfast, he's six, one, one, hundred, eighty, seven pounds and. Centerman. Both both you can play both. He's probably GONNA play center here. So and who gives a shit what their position was before going to NHL right here. The other two guys are getting two points a game holding Jesus almost YEP. Now the great players and that's a that's why I was so great the sends had an opportunity to to top five selections and dating Jake Sanderson at five that's going to be nice I'd Kinda thought they'd go to Ford's is always hard to project what defensemen will turn into just you have a better and I. Think that's the thing sends most lack the only thing they had this year was hard work lunch bucket mentality and DJ Smith had been working hard and they they rarely were at work in any game but they lacked finish didn't win a lot and so I thought that they'd use both picks to get that finish to get that offensive stride going but no, he can't complain about those two picks in fact to anybody in the top ten is going to get help lower right? Right That's good. Yeah good for Ottawa certainly the other big news of the day in at least in these parts because so many Montreal, Canadian fans where we are well across, Canada? Really. The Montreal Canadians cut bait on Max. Domi. The brought him over. In the Scout Chenya deal and That guy looked like he was going to be a potential Brad marchand clone. The Guy can play a weasel game the guy can play. You know you can chip offensively and and just to drive another team. Crazy. Not a guy when he's on his game this fun to play against and right this past season and he was not his game a lot when I. Yeah. When he when he was engaged, it was awesome. But he he too often it didn't look like he was engaged in slowly but surely close Julia lost faith in him to the point where he's playing third and fourth line center and well that wasn't going to. I wasn't gonNA fly for very long from either side. So he was traded to Columbus today for Josh Anderson and a honestly at the Montreal Canadians Anderson's got have been injury pros at shoulder problems. That's a hell of a hockey player Josh Anderson is big and he can score as well as fast. So I think Montreal fans will like that because that's one of the complaints that people have had about this team for a while in the mandate they love small fords and Josh. Anderson definitely goes against the grain there and That's a good deal for the haves. Kinda surprising about about Domi right Max Domi because. The game was so good right. he he was super good in the press. He's insulin. Fed Diabetic Right. So he that was a great story. That went along with the guy tough as nails like you've pointed out. Got Got His dad, right. WHO's one of the toughest guys ever to play in the NHL. who works like super hard so what happened to? His old man better talk to him. Yeah, the might have been attitude there. He I mean he was. I. Mean he had. He had some moments where he's being punk he was a good man. I, think about the moment where it was a difficult day for Zach Smith who was with the Ottawa senators then a couple years ago and he was placed on waivers and then he cleared waivers basically you still in the team they're like basically thrown out there to see if anybody take on his contract and no one did and so he stayed with the sends up with a big club and game within a week of that happening is kind of embarrassing for a veteran NHL Player right? If we're waivers like that and in the game ensuing game that week Max Domi was chirping. Zach Smith. Waving at him going waivers waivers his big. I love this. I didn't know that with his big domi smile going on there. So I think there might have been. There might have been a bit of an attitude they're hard to say but Yeah just he just didn't have it this year and I think part of that is just include Julia butted heads the Guy Two years ago at seventy two points in eighty two games and this year is down in the forties points wise and lost a lot of minutes as well. So. Halves lost faith in. Columbus still thinks there's something there. So the deal was made it was kind of weird watching the draft tonight though getting back to that because it was all kind of online I was watching the NBC feed which by the way was basically tsn watching NBC sports. So the analysts are. Bob Mackenzie, Pierre, McGuire, and Craig. Button. And the okay. No Way I'm is well the auction TSN here. But of course sports that has the rights to the draft. So. Anyway was it was fascinating to watch those guys on NBC broadcast, but it was a lot of zoom calls and things, and so you're basically. So, many interruptions because of the the Internet stuff itching watching the players at home particularly Alexa frontier right out of the gate. I don't know if you've read much about what's going on at Quebec Kovic is. Is Absolutely has gotten bad there and Lebron years from saint who stash, which is a red zone for code right now, and they basically said there you cannot have anyone in your house period who doesn't live there don't talk to me about. N. People Max or don't worry about you know social distancing you know the two rule or mass? No. Literally if you don't live in that house, you can't be in there. So this beautiful moment for Alexi La Frontier, it was his mom and dad and his sister. Yeah that's it sitting on the couch, and so the number one selection is called and they're like. Weird? Yeah. It was really weird. What are you? GonNa do Stevie for. You had to the praise Elfi. Pres Urfi. Did Clears. Kermit the frog crazy Alfie how our did that What are you, GonNa do for this kid the the the draft pick for the sense. was his last name again I'm really decided Tim stood slow well, I don't know which one you WanNa get more excited if in Tim. Or Jake Sanderson. praised. That's like, Jane you ignorant Stewart's lock. As you, as you will recall, hundred year old Saturday night live reverence. We're doing, tsn twelve hundred doing sports talk radio. There was a time where you and I were working with. A STUNTMAN STU as the host chair. Those are interesting days. So there are a few people on twitter that have suggested maybe we call them stuntman Stugatz la. Not Bad, not bad. I will not permit it for a second only. I'll have none of it and and by the way, Steve. Oh my God was was Bob Mackenzie ever retired for a long time when he came back to work whole. I read last week he retired they had a big. Thing on the desk and I'm yeah my my last days so. I think it was it went down like this. So Bob Mackenzie he's not done, but he's He's he's cutting way way back on his work, and so you'll only see him once in a while on. tsn. However, when someone from NBC Rolls Up to Bob Mckenzie at the cottage and drops a monopoly style bag of cash on his end table and said, can you come and do a quick hit for us on the NFL draft night? He's going to say, yes, every time. Absolutely absolutely I mean this bodes well the. NBC, right has been picking up steam right over all these over all the years right there. You know it's it would be insulting to say NBC's involved in hockey. Of course, they are right. Do, games of the week and all that stuff but it's going to it's going to bode well for Canadian broadcasters sportscasters I think. That, they have options man. Right they've got they've got options, right? When you started Steve. I mean Canada was the only game in town right? tsn right. There was only one channel back then. and. Now, there's five of each sports net tsn. So it's You know the these American well, Maguire Right. He's been. He's been stateside for a while right doing that stuff. I think it'll I think it will bode well that that guys are going to have more choices who want to get in the field because tough racket Stevie, you want to be a color guy Oh Yeah. For sure and I think that then BC's wise because. Eat some of these I mean I I don't know if they chose the the finest three Canadian analysts in Pierre McGuire Bob McKenzie and Craig Button but they can all talk forever they're all a wealth of hockey knowledge and there really isn't anybody in America that can touch them. So I think the American fan doesn't really much care they want insight they want stuff they don't know tell me stuff I don't know that's that's a lot of it. And these guys can bring that as opposed to most of the American announcers with all due respect me some of God like the best voice in the world, the inflections and all the right place deep resonant voices and super knowledgeable about American sports but I I would defy them to go up against a a lot of Canadian announcers when it comes to the sport locking. So again, I see mix a wise call they're looking north of the border. Interesting it's right. And it was bound to happen for sure. That's a pretty big property for NBC right hockey too big. No absolutely. All right. Let's take a time out on the show when we come back final thoughts after these words, Jim Cave Ford Right now is pleased to announce the return of the Ford Bronco built with toughness of the F. Series and the spirit of a Mustang to reserve the all new Bronco Today. Go to Ford Dot ca just make your selection and choose your dealership. We of course would love it. 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Cool. Today that we have You know two people talking on the podcast today and not just a you talking to a dead airman which. The role played by as my substitute yesterday. So when I when I listened back to the show, Steve I only listen to me anyway I know I know. When you hear me start talking you I can immediately here because you how many smoke did you have in like a thirty to forty minutes show ten today I have four or five for okay. Yeah. Because I know because when I start talking very often and I don't know necessarily notice it when the show's on when we actually were physically recording it, I notice it while I'm editing enlisting for every little thing and I noticed this like three words into a take and it's like click of the BIC lighter. Fill me with confidence that you're interested in what I have to say you're hanging on my every word. It's the only thing I can do to listen. That's my trigger my my my shrink told me that light a cigarette. Okay. Light a cigarette when you find yourself fading away. Okay. So it's five times a show pal I'm lighting cigarettes. Okay. Low lighting cigarettes so that you can tolerate my voice. Great Great Listen Stevie come on. I did well, okay. This is how this goes. Okay. Today show like today this week. Okay. The free agent frenzy here happens in a few days. Okay. That one's coming up to the ninth of October is that when? I look at you. Okay and the Tuesday. Tuesday's the drafting. Okay. So for someone like you, that's a palm rubber, right? That's a palm rubber for sure. Okay. Because you're you're deep deep sports and all for someone like me. Okay it's very difficult. Steve. And I is the draft isn't on Tuesday it's like today it just happened first round. Listen, today, Tuesday. Well it is but you spoke about it like it's coming up. Yeah no no. Okay. I write. Well, however, you fix this hour editing o. I thought I. Did well, I participated had something to say. and. It's very tough on me. Talking Hockey. Well I'm thinking that we need to talk more hockey and more Ottawa stuff kind of gotten away from that, and the reality is just cards on the table and letting the listeners on things that you know the best rated shows are shows where we talk about Ottawa Sports. Really, it's possible that maybe they don't care as much as we think. About our personal lives and other shift. Oh Shit I mean people love it. People in those who like it like at a lot where the Alexander keiths of podcasts. But they're also some people who are looking for things that are more universally relatable. I guess well, I'm not talking about me. You know just the hockey thing I gotTa Grind Stevie on the but I like to challenge. Do you like, do you like hockey or not do you like you? Are you a sports fan? I'm a massive sports fan. Okay. Gigantic Sports Fan I. Know More about sports than you do. More than you think you're okay like you what you watch, you throw some names at me from the past. Okay. I see your deep deep as an as an analyst. That no one can hold a candle to you. All right about that. But I know more about more sports. Okay. I. Have a Mutt. I cut a much wider Swath Steve with my sports knowledge. Yeah I'm tennis Stevie Baseball Guy. We gotta talk about the NFL that things on the going to collapse. We'll talk about that coming up. I got I. Got Cricket. Okay that I've watched Snooker Stevie Okay Ronnie O'Sullivan the rocket defending Champ. Okay. The we're world snooker. Okay. I got I got a vast knowledge stevie. Don't get me going on Rodeo which I could do if I had to and please Steve. Curly. Don't talk to me about whether I'm a sports fan or not. Okay. Do not talk to me about whether sports cricket and Snooker. That's that's your solution. That's that's the plan. Anyway I'm. Like I know I'm just throwing Stevie. You know that that would be an impressive thing. About sports guys have I can tell you who won the world cricket champion right? So someone would look. It's amazing. You know that. Right so they'd want to know no more than that they if you know if you said five or six words about it. Because you always throw that same name. What's his name the? Name sounds a surfer. Not Galardo. The Guy who is a great snooker player. Rochman Rocket Ronnie O'Sullivan Right Ronnie O'Sullivan right yeah okay. So you you can throw that name out and. Impressed the one listener who knows snooker and then we move on. So once show is Gelato Sullivan and telling you it's impressive. Anyway I know. I know a lot good. Luck to Mexico me there with the national. All in. Columbus go wherever wherever you don't sell. You Love Hockey. Your passion comes through it leads to the PODCAST Columbus. Nashville, they're both in. Tennessee. Felker liner wherever the. GEOGRAPHIES also get. The Pencil. Get OUTTA. Here. We should go fishing. We're GONNA. Have even talk. Can name sound. Good night everybody.
Greatest Sporting Villains
"Yes. Head in the game. Just. Hello, everyone. I'm Jamie laying and welcome back to head in the game. Now this week we have another special episode few hot on the hills of last week's team of the century, which, by the way, you can still download, of course. So I won't give away the winner. This latest episode focuses on the dark side, the greatest, not so great villains sport now over the last couple of weeks, you've been boating, for the rogues rascals wrongings of sport. And we whittled your selection down to the final ten now along side me is one of the true goody goodies broadcasting. She looks at me with so much love every single time. She sees me, she quit athletics. Just so she could work with me. It's true. She also claims she would have had a career in football if she only knew how lucrative the women's game would have become Rachel string. That's just so typical of me, I meant in terms of I look any sponsor. Oh, I could have gained best that you actually sent me a message of the day saying, don't tell him. I said, listen, she said point the way I could have been the most epic foot blur, live. And then I did send you. Of me playing. But boy, it was awesome. Yeah, yeah, my sent you. The video of me throwing the javelin fitful meters, one hundred eleven to hold the record at school. So there we go right before we introduce, I guess, we're going to hit from voice with the ultimate list as voted by you. Now, remember, we've bought some names from pole, there's no room for drug cheats. It's all about on field, bad behavior. And transgressions this is the greatest sporting villain. All-time ten thanks Jamie in no particular order here is the greatest sporting villains top ten Sergio Ramos more red cards than anyone in alita, half a million people signed a petition to have him banned, Mike Tyson, the self-proclaimed baddest man on the planet. I and Mike off part of event Holyfield's ear. Josie Marino, the self-proclaimed special one became more popular the longer. He was in the game. Petulant rarely magnanimous and the worst crime of all cynical negative football Dave. David Warner his band for ball tampering with sandpaper was the nail in the coffin nicknamed, the bull, this sledging went beyond. What is regarded as acceptable, not a guy, you'd want to mess with Diego Costa, once through his own spit at the F O mentioned Sergio Ramos, Brandon cheat for diving switched from Brazil to Spain treachery Diego matter. Donna his hand of God, probably the most infamous weld Cup crime. His Radic behavior have made him, both hero, and villain. Joey Barton a disciplinary record in the English leads that are second to none Roy Keane. Who can forget, he deserted his teammates during a weld Cup campaign and his infamous clash without Inga Harland Floyd. Mayweather, both one of the great son. One of the villains of boxing. Why his love of money is nickname is money. His ego his trash talking one to admire unload in the same breath. And finally Luis Suarez half are half. Cannibal banned several times biting his deliberate. Hobble in the World Cup broke in hogs a serial Daiva found guilty of racially abusing Patrice ever, and that is the greatest sporting villain, all time ten so that's the talk turn as voted by you. Now, do you agree with it? Which names should have made the final ten but didn't who will have the juice of being voted number one. Now time to introduce hug s. It's welcome back to ESPN's Steve shoulders h Saunders Lou. Hey confused, a YouTube brothers. I, I don't think so. But maybe maybe I mean, I think that the similarity ends as soon as you hear or see us to maybe. Rachel not related. Why have you seen the film twins? Wait. Wait hang on. You're pregnant. Definitely. Gee guys best that's going to throw me off the whole different they do because it'll be old. If you are brothers both work for ESPN be strained. When that still think we'd be alone. Just inspires younger brother happens all the time. Okay. Rachel fine. I hear what you're saying. Okay, guys, you had the ten as voted on our ESPN Instagram Facebook pages, we had lows ventures any names. You're surprised didn't make the list to. There's a couple from tennis won the original boy, John McEnroe. He's a whole new stunt. He created an entire career for himself. I've lost kind of how many adverts that tackling TIMMY might even want to recreate McEnroe's most famous line I can do for you right now, if you want, you cannot be serious. That's pretty. Pretty good doing what I can do. Everyone can do that. Another line can do more quits. If you forget, the only Wilkinson commentary as well that completes the hot the hot and every time it'd be on the show as well. Thirty seconds to go. This is the one it's coming the jelly Wilkinson. He's dropping cloudy this, the clip show now. Jamie does. What I do. It's my talent. But going back to McEnroe. It's so true. He was sort of, in my, he's one of the bad, boys. In sport in general. He was one of these people who just didn't care about the rules. He was so wanting to win. Does that make a bad boy? If you just don't care about anything else, and you just want to win. I think that a lot of people are on the list are not on the list hot. Exactly, it was that moment of I need to do something to win McEnroe. He says himself that he lived on the field of losing. And that's what he did when he was scared of losing. He would unleash this way. That's the difference between curious and McEnroe's McEnroe had so many wins through his career as one of the great tennis if you look at carry-ons, he's been in the quarterfinals of destroyed him once with a once, and that's it, Joe Macken, rumors endearing, bad guy because you'll okay he was he was that he had that will to win any did win curious just acts like he does. And there's no end product there. That's why I'm surprised MacIntosh should be on here as a purist bag. I list, I think. Alot of the time the public forgave McEnroe 'cause he would win things as well. And Kelly needs to do that for people to see a Motors, a villain rather than just a bad guy. The will Wimbledon all the time he just you walking boss, a court, and, you know, curious is playing that because there's a little shouting and loads of events of fanatics cheering around. But even with even McEnroe has said that he's the craziest I've ever seen. It takes one to know. One was going clever because he made it Parviz persona. So he'll go in adverse and he will play up that and you can kinda okay? He might be that on the copies able to recognize it. He's in on the joke and I didn't think curious would quite on the same joke about how he behaves at the moment. So maybe one day he'll do that. But right now, he doesn't okay? I want to say I'm a Chelsea fan runs veins. John Terry, where do I start? Okay. There's a few things that's happened over the years, that he probably has hasn't been favor with the mullet people. One of the big ones is when he at she will his food team kit lifted the Champions League trophy when he was actually banned. And then the other one when he was banned for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand that loss on especially is pretty horrible. The full kit thing I remember reading something that was in the regulations for that competition that year. So cherry ended up getting of. Bad rap for an unfair reason. I've never been a fan of him, but no, I'm not gonna say no. If you look. So I was going to say the captain leader legend, banner has always infuriated me about John Terry. And I know it's not his fault, but whenever I've heard a Chelsea fan defend. John, Terry, just furious me. So I think that is more. Why feel like he's Villanova? If that's just me, I'm fascinated the John Terry was stripped of the England captaincy twice. Go from you can't be cops and again to our okay? Come back into away. No, no. We were right in the first place. That's pretty spectacular. Steve coming in. I love that. I think is kind of John Terry's matured, and now he's going to Aston Villa and he's doing really good things maybe changing players such as Jack relation. We will know what he used to be like that famous picture in the paper of him, laying out IB. So he control from his experiences, teach the younger generation coming through, you know, I'm going to give him a clown. You see you touch on something I think is central tool. This particularly team sports the villains of people that other teams love to hate. And so people love to hate John Terry, because he was playing for Chelsea and Chelsea fans. Loved them a nose Aston Villa everyone who probably John Taylor's at Chelsea's. No. He's all right. Guy. He's cheeky as well actually wrote him, I left, my phone on the side, and I came back to load of different Sylvia's of John and every other player in the dressing very much. Name. John kerry. Okay. But it's interesting enough about this whole villain list before we get into more footloose and things like that, is that, you know, if you look at something WWE, the people who love the most the people who are absolutely loved, or absolutely hated. So you kind of want to be in the middle, you kind of want to be fitted. And speaking of another footballer teary on deliberately handling the ball against Arslan. I remember that really clearly because it was probably one of the first Twitter controversies that ever happen, because it was right. And not late two thousand nine part where Twitter kind of exploded, and people are getting used to all and Twitter went into meltdown, because he denied Ireland chance to kind of apologized and wanted to make up for all kind of consoling the Irish players going off. Can't believe happens like no, you did it. Everyone just before the world of fear and everything else. So every single person in the stadium studios around the world, watch it on TV every single person knew that this was a false result. And it was nothing. They could do it. That was the Fusco bit was everyone was like, oh, that shouldn't happen. But FRANZ have gone through, I think actually signed up for Twitter because of that. I remember trying to work out how to out someone and all of that stuff. I think it was same thing. I still I'm still like twittering. Is it twist to it? King. Twitter. Gonna make jank you Rachel them. I just didn't I held it back about Twitter that, you know about ten to. Another one St. Smith. Australian captain -bility boy, not boys sandpaper saga in his pocket against Africa Smith, as the captain, kind of took the full, but it was so David worn, or he was the ringleader in the whole thing came up with the idea should Cameron Bancroft to do this kind of thing, the win. Which will play the was the Bancroft and Smith took the Foley had to do the press conference after after the session to explain what had happened David Warner was nowhere to be seen, and I think that's reflected on our list, another person who we have mentioned who has to be mentioned Conor McGregor. Anyone Connor McGregor ever. I love that song. Sorry, I'm interesting mood for fun. Profounder that doesn't. Back in the day. Simple. To dismiss Warner split here. I almost feel like if you're going to have Floyd Mayweather analyst Conor McGregor Fettes, very similar guidelines that tour that the had prior to their, their fight was once the more disgusted fakes his sporting world. He crossed the line many, many times against each other. And then you have the fight and you get to the end of you go I was all just a big game wasn't. It was just a big act. On of money. If it so fairplay to them folks seeing to a lesser degree mixed martial arts. They kind of play on that you mentioned WWE earlier told him Gregor is perfect, for that because I think he knows exactly how to sell a fight exactly what to do. And I don't agree with Stephen said it was pretty disgusting stuff. That was going on. Then it made people want to watch it, and it was actually a bit of a false ical fight. But for some reason, everyone was like I've got to see this is the biggest sporting event ever watched it, and I've just been played. I saw Eddie Hearn, who is big promoter in boxing. He spoke about that fight. He said two things firstly it's the biggest scam that any sport has ever seen. But it's also one of the biggest genius things to ever happen sport now and also going back to another is that I wanna go with you got Eric Cantona Zenit, Dan, those to cancer during the flight kick into the crowd, and sedan giving headbutts do they count as bad boys? Was that just out of passion? Is that what do you think of Madison gains? Yeah. I think these two fascinating because the Dan, if you actually think if you take the head away, I coming single thing, as it did that. Was council was maybe a bit more on that edge. But still, he was unbelievable plan. He may be bit more arguments for the rest of something, but as players they were amazing. And that's why those two moments stick out so much because they were so crazy, and they were so kind of out of what we expected to be the norm, maybe, especially with the Dan and a World Cup final. Kansas fascinating, actually, because if you go back to his time, earlier and his career before he joined up with rally stocks and he was a real hot head his career was kind of swinging around a bit unfair. Gi got him to to concentrate for all, but one game where he kinda lost the plot against Crystal Palace on concrete fun. I punt on talked about seagulls and trawlers one more. We have to mention our Ronnie O'Sullivan. Okay. The Babbo Snooka Nate. What do you think about Ronnie? Well, the fact that you can say, there's a bad boy of snoot. We need to on yourself. I mean, he made you wanna watch Snooka if he played, I was never really that into it. But if he was playing I would say, well, I'm gonna watch yourself when I think he was one of those guys that just kind of people associate with the sport and always will, and he had to be that way. If he was any other Snooka play you wouldn't really care. We still stuff. We did was quite little Chris. I mean, I've seen him just quick games in the middle of them because he wasn't a win. Which is obviously not a sporting into do you talk about it, and you remember mental thing with him. He was always talking about like the demons that he hasn't he was kind of playing. And so, I think that's reflects in what you said, they just can't quite handle the pressure, and again had these moments of madness and you didn't quite know what you're going to get from him. But I do know now that he has really kind of tried to change things up. He kinda quit smoking and drinking. And he's now says he's teetotal and his love of running is trying to change sports definitely an hats off to forever to me has done. But you're still liable to start playing lifetime to deliberately miss a black. Bowl when he's on a one four seven he's, he's that kind of comic books of stuff, people will turn up and watch that, because they don't know what's going to happen next whether or not you want to stake, your reputation, some late run elephant is, is another thing you know, you it's, it's a difficult one for the sports governing bodies, for example, to try and get the best these guys sell to sport. In the way, when these guys go off the Chris such storm our own and they sell tickets. I wait for the Bob Obama tan. I am excited for we saw in the office before we left there with the mini golf championships. The niece. It's a very important stick. It was the crazy story sorry championships. Not to be confused with many Gulf, which is completely. Way, better crazy not lovely note. Let's talk about the ten that did make the list now we have Sergio Rimas Mike Tyson, Jose Marino. David Warner Diego Costa, Diego Maradona Joey Barton Roy Keane Floyd. Mayweather Luis Suarez. Now, all the any names that surprised you that are in the top ten. I think that's a pretty solid list. There's arguments for a couple of disgust and the all kind of share that same trait of just being on the edge the edge of only gonna go off. At this moment are the are they going to plead great? And this this game on gonna win this championship. You know, they've thought ability, and yet if not little Caddock to Florida. I agree with Stephen in the sense. I think everyone in, you could make an argument forthwith Diego. Costa may have come out for some of the other people we could go in. I think Costa abound, reputation, I have a little problem with Costa. I dated someone wanted to then told me that they slept with Diego Costa. And it really. It really is. Yeah. I was like, oh, really okay. And they said there's a problem and I went. This one. I have no idea what you've done. I know. Sorry, it's really put me off. He's just a bit of a brute. The one that go away that you could have been married to this all because of Diego Costa, change, my opinion. I think he's definitely in them. I wanna ask you, Diego Maradona really villain. Yeah. Percent. Yes. So Google less knows feel free to stop the podcast. Now you can come by it's fine. Golfing, Google monitoring nineteen eighty two red card and they can come back. And then once you come back, Google monotone culpa del Rey, and then come back and then work out with is basically the two most ridiculous red cards. You'll ever see in your life to the listeners who don't have Google, what happens. So what are the red cars, so and nineteen eighty two phase of the World Cup Argentina Brazil quite a big game. Brazil three up vote five minutes to go mount on a takes exception to challenge of one of these teammates. And just basically kicks the opponent more or less, where you would have liked to have kick Diego cost when you found out. Let's go. On the other one, I neither one is a complete meltdown where there's a fight going on the some sort of Maili going on on the pitch. And then monotone a- who instigate the whole thing, manages to kind of fly kit someone right in the face and not clean cold. It's genuinely amazing. And this is it barbaric violence that you cakes off as well. So yeah, he's a bad guy. Forget your hand ball in the World Cup. That's nothing to what monitoring do you find interesting. Is that all people who related football in this, you know, in other one is Jose Marino hero to villain? I prayed way he manage Chelsea people loved, and they really liked him. He's the only manager on the list, does he deserve to be in the top ten I would say, does, I think I think he was such a big influence on the Premier League and European full of the last fifteen years, and he cultivated, the image himself. He's interesting because I think it shows that this temperament has a sell by date, if you're not winning anymore, you suddenly have to reevaluate when he was doing it with Chelsea, the first time it was great because he was like, Ferguson, Ferguson would be. Certain way, but United win and gloss just came off Marino. And he kind of he just looked outdated by the end a great point about winning. I remember Celtic plan portal and the UA forgot fine of two thousand and three juicy marinas portal team. And nobody really knew vote portal at that time they hadn't beaten Manchester night. Each year Old Trafford, for example, it was some of the most cynical playacting and rolling around and just general cheating that I've ever seen in a major final porta one and so always forgiven. Two thousand five he is banned from the dugout ban from communicating with Chelsea to champion's league much with bio Munich. So he hides in a laundry bin gets into the dressing room and gives team talk that way. And it's kind of funny genius. Oh, that's funny that Manchester United getting beat by everyone. It's not as much fun. You also shouldn't forget as well as time. It Real Madrid when he was up against quality, boss. Luna really descended into some really nasty stuff. He poked Tito Villanova in the eye that was over. He did also go into the, the comedic villain side of things never forget, into beating boss Alona in Barcelona. Get the Champions League final, and he runs around the pitch on up in the air around the center circle just and the new camp is literally about to riot. I think of that point. I think that was the stupid thing with. Marina was he do stuff like that? And then do behave like he did it Real Madrid quite personal with some of his players as well. Which I think crosses the line, when he actually publicly kind of cool some players out. Kevin quite over when he was in charge. It unites people, Luke shore poke, and I think that just I was the markets while if you want something, set your players, you say behind closed doors, and you don't to publicly humiliate them, Romans with awesome anger, for example, really personal. So you'd even turn on rival managers. But a funny thing is there's a postscript because no both finger on marina road of work. They're not managing clubs anymore. So both working for TV broadcast in the same studio pecking over the Trump is league finals all is forgiven. Sorry nowadays, it's proven that if you're nice, it works, but I like yoga and club, the nicest manager, seemingly the nicest manager ever whatever just done just on the Champions League. It's almost like marina style of management style of play. 'cause from Vigo Nita, he was kind of left behind an interesting thing was that his style of football was being left behind when he was at Chelsea. So for them to then get the mind United job to what he there was an inevitable conclusion. And he's nowhere really to go. No. It's a fascinating situation for Klopp, and Guardia. Those guys play such a good style of football. And on that side of the they're both very likeable people. So then that's where the whole game has shifted in very short time. Just going to put out. I'm looking down this list, ten other any girls. No, no, no. I usually complained. On these lists today. I'm loving it wouldn't have gone to. Well, if there was suddenly eight women in the village. I'm trying to wrack my brains. And think of anybody the I could put in spin question movie monthly I'm not saying that ABC's she's unbelievable athlete, but Serena Williams, but she comes villain. There was that stuff at the owner say a straight open lost you. I mean she, she sent to the same kind of lightning rod of all of these players. Lighten enroll where everyone's attention is on them. They're almost wanting something to happen with them. And it's a big thing. We'll ever do does this kind of ripple effect the, you know, the world starts to take everything they do is ten times bigger than than another player might the some talk ten Lewis WADA's is one of those georamas another where Costa again another where you just can't. It doesn't take much to set all off to carry us you mentioned him a little bit earlier. Something about having a hot head in a sport. That just kinda makes it more exciting. I think you need to have it. If everyone is so nice and fine and just wants to plan it. So little about the game. You want some with the depression. He wants only screamer on the court. You want someone who's going to be smashing wreck it up. I like it. I like it to this apart of me that really is kind of fun of Nick, Katie. And I don't know whether I'm affected by a really good friendship with the and anyone who's friends with Audie money with me, whenever he does have one of his misdemeanors. He's always on the back pay. A newspaper and people then become intrigued about him and the spore you never gone. It's one of these four majors, people can achieve into watch. What he may or may not do an associate's style. You know, he's he's rogue. He's cool. He's on orthodox underarm serve as cool. And he's on this current as well. I think he needs to refine it. But someplace if you took this away from the that'd be nowhere. They don't play without that security oversee. He needs to roll it back. But Murray if you remember Murray, he the stuff his career was not a hot head in the same way, kind of, had to learn how to channel the anger into the talent. The curious hasn't been do that. But that's just being Scottish. Stephen states of the stew, if you white meal get me an iron brew. Also. We're gonna tend to cricket David Warner. Now he was wrong, and even before you met into tempering with the bull wasn't he, he sledged? He went beyond the marquee, like heroes, isn't it? Great to have a pantomine villain within the sport. Dow one's a really fascinating one because Warner came to head from the hole sandpaper controversy and he was the instigator of the whole thing. And that was just kind of the tipping point of them just being a bit too. I wanna see enabled by everyone around him by stealing cricket by teammates by the IP L giving them two point four million dollars for playing this kind of thing. And I think this is a trained for, for these villains as well as the, the have a low of people telling them how great the are until the moment where the overstep the Mark if you look back at David Warrener's press conference once he gets back to stray off, being suspended by Israel, and cricket and important point, as well. Bind by cricket board. He wasn't bond by the IC, but he was bombed by the cricket board for not cooperate. And then for Tacoma, but when you look at his press conference, there's a really human part of you to take over. And goes you know what I feel Saudi foot him and that was weird that everything they got on. I actually felt Saudi, I guess he had the nickname, the bull and change. Little bit now. Mellow people have changed it to the Reverend should I. I'm going to. About if you watch David Warner the ashes or the World Cup right now. He will be mouthing off to every single person and it won't be something you'd hear reference judge. I wanted to say something on David welna the mango in a fight with Joe route twenty thirteen walkabout. How'd you get? How do you get in a fight with Joe root? Villainous thing I've ever heard. You've never walked into walkabout Steve's on. Shane Warne used to open mouth alone, and be a bit of a bad boy of cricket. But in this sledging Wednesday things, I think it's part of the sport, quite like it. I agree. I, I like anything that makes it a bit more interesting, especially in, in test. Cricket when you hours, you need something to spice up the game. Sometimes if you don't get in the crease. That way. Now going onto kind of the more aggressive sport books now. There are two punks on the list. Mike Tyson Floyd money. Mayweather. Now, I'm not surprised that Tyson's on the missed Advanta Holyfield biting, the air his aggression in the ring, but may wear the merits talked him villain status. If you look at the list of people may with a foot in his career, even if you take McGregor away from that which I didn't think was anyway, proper flight. He often would fight people later than he should have done in the patio fight should have happened about four years before it did by the time it happened. He was interested in the money I think it only went ahead because everything that he wanted patio agree to they had an awful fight. That's not important, but they had an awful of the end and he could have been so much better to me. That was always on may weather in the way he approached the fight. That is definitely fight fines. Don't forget that he ducked doctors historic opponents and wasn't really prepared to put that undefeated record properly on the line. But the trash talking with just a bit too much. I mean some of it was really distasteful to the point. Point where he wants through has father, Jim and cold said to him. You're nothing but on explosive cabdriver his own father, but, you know, moving on someone like Tyson, right Tyson. It was honestly terrifying. Going against Tyson in the ring was actually it was scary. Do you think, well, the other thing is well is he was marketed as the bodice Mylanta planet, and he kind of became the caricature of in the end some of the stuff that came out with after fights and Glasgow would he? He said he wanted to eat Lennox Lucy's children. Children. What's the real problem with that? I remember I was a lot younger when Tyson Holyfield happened and Tyson bit Holyfield's ear. And it was one of the first time I'd ever sat up for a pay per view right through the night and it's like a right of passage a young man. Staying up to watch the box until five year. I will still have the newspaper clippings of that don't know why. I have kept where are they frame? Someone folded up next to my love letters. I is a bizarre place to put them. We'll Tyson I think is there's a generation of people who have grown up him being in the hangover. He's soft spoken guy, who if you actually listen to him, talk about how he was. He's very apologetic about it. He's very philosophical belts it, and that's the interesting when he's I think him Myron donor the oldest two on this list. I think when you get older if you're able to a bit like we spoke about Joe McEnroe kind of self deprecating, or at least talk about how you were appreciates it. Maybe it takes some of that villainous status away from your tiny bit, Tyson is somewhat of a villain. But I just think that he just was an out an out fighter. He's genuinely box office as well that he was, he was next level in that sense. Tyson doing anything was nineteen years, older heavyweight champion nineteen completion of his knockouts on YouTube, which if you watch you I'm sorry. This must be this must be. Dr there's no way this guy went through people at this. Unbelievable. Nice brown. There's an underrated Tyson moment somewhat forgotten Tyson moment as well. Which is not only did he bite Holyfield's ear. He bet Lennox Lucy's leg. Press conference just pretty nuts. On the biting theme. It's a nice segue into Lewis Juarez, though. There's three footballers or more recent footballers on the list. I'm talking about said you're almost Lewis Juarez on, of course, Diego cost a Jamie's favorite guy. Which of those is more of a villain loose Ladas play strong, and not less being said your Rama's. He's really great records. He is the most carded player and Lalita. He's the most carded player effort in the Champions League. And he's the most Cardi player ever for the Spanish national team. What's a hattrick doesn't intent? ESPN's magden. He an article as well about rambles and just basically how unpopular he was. And so that's kind of worth a read is what if you want to remember that moment? Is irrelevant. All right. Do you remember that moment? L classic o Roma's versus Bosso messy with the boo. And Ramos just takes out his back legs kicking him and then called his trade off. I mean he just didn't cat seems to do that. Champions league. Final lost year. Just awful guy. He's oversee out there to cut Mosa, and that was the end of his Champions League lofta. What was it not about twenty minutes? I ten minutes or so in that. Yeah. That's the first thing thing with Ramos. If you if any other player in the merger team it done that I think he was still said, always, but they would have focused on the fact that silence out the game, the Ramdas did it. And he got up and kind of you could see on his face is like not to upset about that going off in your head. You're either he did that on purpose people believe that because it was him. And that shows you how much of here's the fact that you would attribute malice to that sort of situation, whether or not he did it did mean to we also can't forget, okay. Not have anything in Costa, because he did he wants through spit Sergio Ramdas. Come on. During that was forget tackling. Forget the red cards throwing spit is business. How'd you even throw your speed? I don't know but cost can do it. But also he switched from Brazil to Spain. Did that is does Judas to the absolute extreme? I hate Diego Costa. You have good reason. I just think it's switching from two teams. I mean, you've gotta stay loyal to your countries, they low team. Switching that it's just wrong in my opinion. What do you think? I mean people switch teams all the time in which country lines is just what happened. So I don't know. That's really something that we can kind of say he's been four. We wouldn't have a curricular rugby team either. Okay. Maybe nitpicking. Africans irishman. We'd be Suarez is a fascinating one because his rap she is probably one of the biggest on here. You've got everyone remembers the Chilean e black but he bit to other players in his career. And the crazy thing with Kelly was the in game. He then started holding his teeth as, if he'd been somehow injured by the. He's looking into it with that. And I was so angry. There was over see the whole thing with Patrice effort racially insulted him in a game, and then they played the next year swears fuse to shake every hand as if he's been wrong, as if it was his fault that he'd so if ever had shaken his okay that's fair enough. Like forgive Suarez something refused to shake his hand back which was outrageous. And then we talked about Maradonna earlier, famous hand of God Soir as prevented gone. I think from going through to the semi finals in twenty ten pretty awesome. John heads down Suarez just basically punches, the bull away. And then John misses the penalty and Suarez's on the sidelines. Cheering goes in the tunnel, which is we sorry, I'm gonna mention w one more time. Vincent Monroe, a bad guy. Would respond to read cardinal Cup phone. That's like genius. Bad guy writing, but yeah, you only have to look the Champions League semi final boss loom against them and loose. What is was doored by Liverpool funds, and then had the temerity, scored against me, celebrate, and then he's to them, and he gets booed, and it just goes to show that, if that played for you. It's great if I played against you, you hate them as such a fierce passionate goes into guys to mow names on the list, Joey Barton Roy Keane. We haven't mentioned yet Nate. What do you think? Jerry button is just a guy who was always assumed to be a bad guy when he was playing two thousand four stub the cigarette out a teammates, I, which is pretty pretty bad. If we're talking about that. He also assaulted another team main two thousand seven twenty twelve finale, you did the Wairoa impression earlier, but the star of that game earlier in that game, he gets sent off for, I think he elbowed teve then tried to head company then tried to kick guero. So he kind of went for everyone, who basically was. Wearing a city show that point so he was pretty bad. I want about Roy Keane. I would one hundred percent on I'm an interest town phone and came was one of our worst-ever manages, and I like you with the cost, I just can't get past that I'm completely biased. Stephen should take this objective, Twitter few well as fascinating as well, because Mick McCarthy was kimes manager two thousand two World Cup keen, stormed to refuse to play because Mick McCarthy didn't know what he was doing the sensually so keen, went home and walked his dog. Well, well, Ireland try tip progress through the three welcomed actually had a good tournament even without him. And he was comfortably the play time. But also become forget that horrendous tackle he did the Crear ending tackle did on alvian Holland. Yeah. Way. Then emitted pretty much that he did on purpose because the year before there's about attack on him. And he was told to get up, and he had done wasn't that right by Harland wasn't injured in badly at the service career. Yep. He went to get Holland got him. And then he wrote a book civil per Bod guy behavior. So we both agreed these people should be on the list. Yes, yes. Yes, sir. All right. Gentlemen. Ladies, it's now a time to find out who is the number one all time sporting or not. So sporting villain, now, here is the lovely voice with the bad boy countdown. Here we go. Number ten David Warner number nine throw it may weather. Number eight Diego. Maradona number seven Josie Marino number six, Joey Barton number five Diego. Costa number four, Mike Tyson, number three, Roy Keane. Number two Luis Suarez and number one is Sergio Ramos, guys. What do we think says you're almost list? Number one, says you're remers Steve. What do you think just the deserved I think he fits this Bill really well in the? He's, he's a podcast. He does all of his stuff on the field is kind of, like he doesn't leave transgressions that just help his team win in that kind of is the point, he, he doesn't all because he wants to win. It's not it's not desire to win that takes them to those places. He will get deliberately Saint off, so he can serve suspension. Dead game. That came to thing. Yeah. Respect to Sergio Rommel's well done, but never bit someone once times. So I would swear as above him, I agree with you. You know, you can get a bad disciplinary record for just being quite harsh defender. But biting someone once twice three times, however many times, you do it, it's pretty bad. So I would swear above the and I'm gonna put it out that David Warner number ten no as bad as Joey Barton. I mean, that is cheating to the next I'd be fascinating to see this list to gain after the ashes of David Warner helps strata when they're not might change people's opinion. I mean, Louis WADA's was a hito to live Apu fines about three months ago to them the ones interesting as well. I wonder how many people have pre she ate the scale of what he and Smith and bunker of didn't crickets very technical offense. When you say they a people say, well, okay, so it's not as obvious as cheating as say, Maradonna punching the ball over Peter Shilton. So maybe that is downplayed a bit, but it was him trying to get an advantage on another team. So I think that might downplay a bit. I think maybe Jay Marinez well seven maybe he should inten- like the only manager on the list as well. And we were kind of saying. Just about his personality in the end, and how he kind of spoke to different players manages, okay? There was some times when he was a bit reckless. Maybe when he was in his tangible area by think maybe he should have been further up list in terms of top ten nine or something rather than areas at seven tournament month. Just United took away from some villain character because it's almost like people at. Yeah, but that really matters like, yeah he was. He was seen as the best monitor in the world. And he's doing all these things that were kind of over the line at times. So, so, yeah, I agree that Marino's possibly lucky to not be highly Dona should be in the top five. I'm just going to put it out that hopefully in my opinion should have made number one spot, Costa. He is just a horrid, horrid person, Jamie have been married and have kids by now. And that's why I like it. I just think he is. I think he's a villain. I think that he's not nice and governed if I have met Diego. So I would just go. Hate you. Right. That was the talk ten calmed down as voted by you. However lazing it wouldn't be a head into the game podcast without my favorite part of the show. Yes, you guys ready for this. Yes. What is it? The head in the game quiz voice. You better be ready. Yes it's the head in the game. Quiz, Stephen Nate Jamie, and Rachel. Are you ready? Okay. Guests I let's go to Nate true of foles, Mike Tyson famously raised racing pigeons, but also had a passion for musical theater once. Dishing for the musical Hamilton in New York true falls. Best bonkers enough that it's true. It's full. If he did that you'd have to give him the job, Steve before becoming a professional fighter Khanna, McGregor worked isn't a Tristian tro foles, go true. I'm afraid ESPN on doing so. Well today, it's foles. He was a plumber. Jamie. Yes. Tough tackler, Roy Keane, was once on the receiving end of a punch in the face from bus, Brian cloth, after he under hit, back, backpass, true or false else. It's true. Today finally to the lady is right. Rachel Sergio Rambus the scene read more times than any other alita. And as a both fighting fan often waves matador Cape to celebrate wins cheering. Cheering is correct. Oh man. Here we go. Multiple choice. Nate Joey Barton type not recently, but his stack do ended in a thing song, the local pub, the Abroal on a beach in UK. See a game of naked five aside d all of the above. I think all of the above it's a brawler beach in thought it was gonna be the brewer by the other two. Bad locked down zero out of two so far. Diego cost attempted to wind up stoke defend Iran Shawcross by a repeatedly, pulling his shorts down of corners, be pointing TEZ armpits and making a bad smell face see blowing kisses to him, d all of the above, as dago cost go up the all the above. It's actually be pointing to his armpits and making a bad smell face bad luck. Okay. Jamie after meltdown at the Italian Open, fiery tennis plan us through what onto the court must abusing the empire Italian for Bowles be a chair in a bottle of water. See Charon record de Oliveira above a chair in record is correct. Hey, Rachel Jane very well head in the game team. Not so, well, the SPN. Here we go temperamental and somewhat hungry. Footballer Luis Suarez got into trouble age sixteen in Uruguay when he a bit aligns men be slapped. Feno plan for a few depositor him. See head butted the referee d put a potato and the exhaust manages car, refusing to play him. Well, I would have wanted the oil for Bob option. But that's not that I mean. No. I'm going to go slap to play palsy, nerds, headbutted the resume. Jamie's in the league. Rowntree. This is for everyone. They said what fit in the blanks. Okay. I correct answer wins. Josie Marino once said, if they make a film about me. They should get blank to play me. Oh. Yes. Sorry. Name your day. Okay. Board of his own brilliance. This one's from Ronnie O'Sullivan looking for blank is the only way to motivate yourself looking for blank is the only way to motivate yourself. Anyone perfection that was Steve wasn't very stand. Finally, a point to mow trash talking boxing legend Floyd Mayweather junior show. True motor St. when he claimed, I'm just an American walled. Harry. On giant Stor. No can't you say here, gangster boy kid. I'm just an American. Sweet dream. Yes. Don't worry about it. That one. I, I will. Put it onto the crowd question, Jamie. You've won by a distinct mile final one. This is good old Maradona the ever controversial Diego made the statement. There are hundreds of blanks playing football all over the world. I'll give you a clue. He's referring to a player. There are Essy's. No, apparently no Ronaldo's think English Rooney's, Rachel, there are hundreds of watts. Beckham's is correct. Afraid to say he's Jamie. The rest of you. Well, what more can I say? It's over. Hey, voice. Yes. Whatever. So that's about all this week. Now. Don't forget to give us a review and subscribe, it's free. So, of course, the easiest thing to do. Join us next week when we look ahead to the biggest baseball much ever seen in the UK when the New York Yankees take on the Boston. Red Sox kinda wait for that, right? Until then keep your everyone. ESPN head in the game.
341: Steve Remembers His Dad; Are the Bruins Truly Okay with Rask Opting Out at this Late Stage?
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Like always add on known as the valve for that Steve wired to trying to tap on a text to you. This is the reason we took some time off but. It all feels useless. You know when you go to comment so. What. Welcome. Welcome back. Welcome. Thank you. Yeah. It's a difficult thing and When you look at it. From a here and now small window you say to yourself this is freaking miserable. This guy love is no longer here and it really rallies your foundation as a person right because we always want parents with us and they've been there since the beginning and then suddenly they're gone for the first time in your life feel like this safety net that you've always had. Not to mention the friendship that developed after the parenting years behind you evolve into a friend right and so. This is the the Mail on the planet who I love the most, and suddenly he's not there. It really rattlers your cage for Sherp in the short term This happened a week ago and now big picture I'm looking more. Myself still you know desperately sad about it of course, but thinking, well, this is sort of kind of how it goes. It's it's all cliche like circle life and all that. But this is best case scenario we're supposed to bury our fathers and this is just the time that's come from me. And of course, they want to die I. Of course, they don't like it the other way or my brother got killed. Tell Me Tell me about your dad's Steve What what we're. Where's he from? Where was he born? What did you do most of his life before? Before the Unspeakable heaviness and unbelievable torture when you were born. He was a fun loving character till I, rolled onto the scene. I know he was born in head schedule and and did schooling there. He came to Ottawa. Eddie joined the the Air Force and actually ended up in Ottawa and met my mom while there and they moved to Richmond around nineteen seventy and that's really where that was my my childhood home and he stayed there right till the end. So. He for he was the head of pensions for the Treasury Board and a quiet guy. But every bit of sense of humor every bit of love of sports. And really the character of the person that I. Am. I. Mean it all comes straight from my dad he was just a lovely person. A homebody big time. So not many knew him a few of my friends knew him from childhood but not many people listening right now would have had a chance to meet him or spend any time with them. But those who did I think we're big fans. Right how old is he steve when he died seventy nine? He's only two weeks away from his eightieth. Well it That's that's a great sentiment you have about about him like I like to all the all the good stuff in our lives usually comes from our parents and all the all the bad stuff was from somebody else. Yeah so Yeah, I'd certainly was a difficult week across the board and then there's still some difficult days ahead and it just It's a new reality and I'll be interested to see. How we proceed through these these coming days because it's just not there's no precedent for it never been through it and it's been so far so good and I would like to extend a major. Thank you to so many people. May I chuck something out a couple of days after it happened on social media and I posted a tribute to him on our website Steve W project DOT COM and by the pouring of. Gratitude and and condolences and everything I mean it sounds a bit trite but it sure helped to hear how many people Kinda had my back and we're thinking of me not going in. It's like you know. It's nice and everything, but it's not gonNA help anything it really did help. So thanks to everybody who who listens to this show who listened to us on T., Gore. Friends. Family members I mean everybody's been calling to say such such nice things that. I can't articulate enough how appreciative am. Yeah You make a good point. You think when when tragedy? Or death happens that there's no one can really say anything. But when they do when you're in that that place you never wish for new you're going to get there it is. It is something when people do. way in you know I read else to about. Grief. What to kind of expect about it and I because I remember. Meeting with a grief counselor when when my brother got killed and stuff like that, and one of them was, it can come in waves. You know it can. You can feel okay for a few hours you feel all right and you have some great memories and sometimes cries sometimes laugh and and and and at some point sometimes they'll, oh, my God I didn't think about him. You know and he's only been gone a short while and that's okay. Steve you know that's okay and then, and then sometimes it hits and waves and you gotta just. You gotta own it kind of thing and go through it. So anyway, you sound like you got your feet under your partner and I'm glad you came out the other side My I was thinking about you all week. So good I know you. Thank you and thank you Senate real nice note on twitter as well. Right at the gate and It was quite lovely and So thanks to you thanks to everybody for their patients and again the lovely kind sentiments. And Yeah. So we transition back to the world of sports and whatever and So, we got a bunch of NHL I've been watching it. I can't say that you know for the circumstances we just talked about a can't say that I've been watching like I. Normally would be like a crack addict. Finally after four months we've got we've Got Stanley Cup playoffs. But I have watched quite a bit and there'd been a number of storylines that have grabbed me like the one that may be grabs me right now as we speak is one I watched the game today the islanders win in overtime over Washington. The islanders think they are all of a sudden. They were the coldest team in all of hockey when covert hit they they just brought in Jag pies from this ends at the deadline and they proceeded to roll between then and covert with seven straight losses. We all thought. Okay. Well, they're not. They'RE GOING TO BE EASY FODDER SENDS FANS are hoping they lose because in that Pashto deal, they got the islanders first round draft pick will the islanders peeled through Florida and now against Washington certainly a Stanley Cup contender there now, three nothing in the series lake if you now at the. That the islanders have had they've now got as many wins in the month of August as they had in all of February and March. So it's a little bit crazy like there's nothing anything that happened in the regular season means nothing now with that long Cova layoff. Who In last Steve Was Washington or Saint Louis? I'm getting the two years mixed up. I can't say Louis last season and then Washington the season before. Yeah. So this is looking like. This is kind of looking like like the Saint Louis deal. Right where they were. They were nowhere member what were they last place or something in January of a regular season Exactly right a year ago last place in came onto win this thing. Yeah. Well, there's always upsets parts. There's always upsets in hockey. You know the worst up to that point was Chicago beating the oilers. In that in that deal but. I think hockey's different when it comes to these upsets because playoffs are really equalizer Kovic made this a real equalizer. The bubble is made this thing really glider if you. You know if you were if you were favourite. Against the sixteenth non favorite. Okay. Your number one. If I'm the if I'm the sixteen seeded team going into the regular rounds of playoffs here. I would be pumped. As opposed to being the top rated team. Going we got we'd better be careful here. I I think that's going to happen. You know sometimes you get your the US. Basketball team going into the Olympics as you're going this is this is. Fun Okay, we're going to annihilate everyone but. I. Think the underdog has a much better chance with all the shit that's going on right now than than they would in other years in my yeah I agree I I brought that kinda point up with the Chicago Edmonton series with the Montreal Pittsburgh series because these were teams that had no shot they were trading away guys at the deadline they thought they were done cove it hits and suddenly teaching were in the playoffs talk about being able to. Play loose at that stage I think that's a large reason why Chicago and Montreal got through. Now reality is kind of setting in and you can see as we speak in fact Chicago might be out there's a game coming up. Later tonight is were recording this and Chicago's already down in the series three nothing to Vegas and I feel like Montreal while they've looked very good so far against Philly Philadelphia I I've feeling their Cinderella story will hit midnight. So. Great in the but over the longer haul the way this whole thing set up, it said a beautifully for the underdogs like you talked about. But I think that in a bigger sample size which the Stanley Cup playoffs are that I think that eventually the cream rises. The, the other one to watch if something's going to go walkie here. Okay. I Vancouver's playing. Okay. Vancouver's playing great plain great. The biggest story Steve that might come. Come, crashing down is Phoenix Colorado Okay and I'm the I'm dying for Phoenix to in their in town here and there and I love ric talking. We got some history go back. Wonderful Guy absolutely great guy. We've interviewed before I think during the radio show probably over the years and nice to have a guy he can go to if you want to drop a couple shackles on some. There you go. Dare I. Did, did I tell you the story what we did the year the day he came back Steve from his suspension. Out of the League. No. Soul. The fantasy camp, of course, fifteen years running while during that during the Rick Target Self Self imposed. Suspension for gambling. Is the story he the League went to him. They investigated this thing and he came forward said. Forget I'll just take this suspension. So he was not allowed in any buildings for a year and the the week that the fantasy camp hits on this particular year. It's the first day that Rick Talk is allowed to go into a building and he was with Phoenix at the time when Wayne was coaching there, and in whole hilarious move by all the training staff. When he walked into his office, you know down the loading dock and and did one year and they walked in they. They put they put electricity tape Steve in horizontal stripes are sorry verdict vertical stripes. So. It looked like a jail cell. Okay. His office. Data dry race for it and they put like. They've put like activities for the day or walking walking walking around the yard. Make sure you wash your coveralls. Escape from Alcatraz was the movie the night and then phone numbers to check you know they had like all these these slang names for bookie's was hilarious. It was hilarious and so he laughed off and. So. Then the opening sort of bank with that night was emceeing. Grads came to me said Jimmy I want you to lay off rick? Okay I don't want I. Don't tell me. You're a level material come on. Come on gray he goes just just. Try not to all right and Wayne's like that right? He's he's like give everyone the benefit the don't kill them and. It makes we wonder how we ever became friends. Here so anyway. I go. Okay and. So unbeknownst to Wayne or rick at the start of the bank would. I've got I've got an easel up there with blanket over it. Okay. Steve, the unveiling of of A. Picture Rand. I said, everyone of one of the great things about this fantasy bubbas welcome back Rick Taco almost emotionally standing all bunch of guys and rick was was almost emotional buys said I'd like to get you up here rick and Wayne if you don't mind coming forward and Wayne's beaming smiling going Goodwin Jimmy here you know and we just like to present rick with something to welcome him back. So I got them both up there whip back the blanket and I got a super bowl pool there. So I got I've got a from the betting house of talk talk in Jones. I, go on. Gratitude. Through her in there too. So it says it's got the you know the ten numbers down the side and the ten across the top and I go now rick how does this work? How do we do? What are the odds what? Chris is shaking his. Anyway I would never done it if he couldn't he a great guy but but this is crazy steve did you see the numbers of the? Like I don't feel as the first game. Where they had seven shots, who two periods may be a total of twelve shots against. Forty or fifty. That Colorado hat? And they've they're they're tied halfway through the third period they're just getting annihilated, and then Colorado ends up scoring three fast goals, right? Well, if that's not like you're looking at it going. Okay. If you're coach of this team, what like seven shots what what's happening here are we are we getting a coach error I'm guessing everything's gone for Shit okay. Everything must just going completely sideways. And and then the last game Steve same deal. There was something like they got a stat now Steve, words. I'm hearing a bunch of white noise Steve Well I know I was GonNa say to you. This is the loudest rain like it. Right above my studio like the rain that's happening right now my house and studio is the loudest. It's ever. I've ever heard times to. It's I got I've never heard before and all the years we've been doing this. My Dad My dad wants to be on the show. That's maybe what it is. Anyway. We'll carry on apologies for the white noise in the background. It's an like an insane rainstorm happening right now. It's the the measurement for heavy rain is the sounds like an equipment failure. Anyway. So the last game, Steve. So I think I think they're down to nothing. game three was yesterday I think. And they've got this statue Steve. Attempted shots on Net Right. Okay. Right. So you got shots on goal and then you've got attempted shot. So they've got, they've got fifty Steve Fifty shots on net. Something like. Between Eighty and ninety attempts Steve Phoenix wins that game. They I don't know what their shots were eighteen or something like that. Tell you the they won the game four two and a call up the stats here and get you the shot counts. It was One of the more you know one sided games. We see the dominating team lose. There's no question about that Kemper tied a career high with forty nine saves and your shots on goal fifty, one to twenty three but just going save for Colorado here going. In the presser with the coach. Right and they're going to say, what do you think went wrong if you're really honesty the coach you're going to go. Nothing. Like. Couldn't have played better. You know, right? We did nothing wrong. You get fifty shots on net Steve Eighty Ninety attempts or whatever it is. You come from the game going are you don't tell me? We're GONNA snake bitten here. That's the funny thing about hockey though when you get down to it and I think about this a lot because people get all upset when a team gets eliminated in the playoffs, we need to do a rebuild. This is outrageous unacceptable that guy didn't do his job that coach fluids you know. The reality is. All of these teams can play and the reality is once this thing is over will declare champion however. I can go back in time and dial everything up again with the exact number of teams and the exact same teams playing the same teams, and you will get a different outcome. I can almost guarantee of your different Stanley Cup champion just because of the bounce the odd bad call here or there lady lock that's just the nature of hockey sake Sometimes, it's like t cheering for a pinball in a pinball machine, you just never know what's going to happen. Anyway it'll be. Italy. If they I, mean if. I hate making comments deep on best arounds on on best of seventh in series. Isn't GonNa like this? So it's two on Colorado's down to one. And I'm going to go. If Phoenix, wins this next. Game Steve. To All. The. That's that's some keen insight. It's always like I'll tell you what this is an important game. Yup, I'll go with that. That's what we said in the first game. The second right through to the the you know the they're all important anyway. Yeah. I mean you look at. And that's the thing he can. You know you can drive yourself crazy over analyzing. The reality is like the seven teams that missed the playoffs this year on all seven of them had a week where they look fantastic and that's all you need in the playoffs is one damn good we and hot and you're yeah, you're moving on. All right, let's Let. Let us move along. We got a little bit of a delay thing. Maybe it's the rain happening. That's somehow causing delays shit. That doesn't make any sense as far as Wifi goes but who knows what's happening. But I WANNA ask you about this situation going on with the Boston Bruins. It's Kinda preceived by most as it's no big big thing I understand I support the guy, the Bruins who are as good about as anyone to win the Stanley Cup, this year are going to have to do this with their number one goalie to harass announced on the weekend that he's going to be leaving the team amidst like right in the middle of their quarterfinal series of Carolina and we decided to leave the series is all tied at one? And two hours before game three Boston won the game He just said I want to be with my wife, my two girls and my newborn baby. Jimmy it's one thing to opt out before the NHL. Playoffs. That had my hundred percent support for this whole thing starts everybody to window to say, no, I'm not doing this. I find it a little different to opt out two hours before game three, two weeks into the start of the play offs. What do you think listen Stevie people need to be straightened out a little bit here. Okay. Okay. This this having to be home with your kids thing. Okay. I. Don't care if it's even for the birth. Okay. I'll tell you what Steve. My. Kids were were big. All my kids were eleven pounds. So they were all C sections. Okay and our first. Okay. I daughter. I said Okay I better be there. Just as as a afterthoughts. I should probably as you probably Mosey on over to the hospital, it'd be nice. Just to be nice. Okay. So Stevie, I go in there I immediately walk into the operating room and immediately go I wish I wasn't here. Okay. I. Just don't tell me told me that this whole thing Steve into berthier kid steve every. Did you honestly Steve Honesty? Did you come away going? That's the most beautiful thing in the world that whole experience? No. I came away with great regret for having looked south of the border if you catch my drift. I I walked in. Okay. So up they do a bunch of crap because they know it's it's a section. Okay. So they're ready to go stevie. So I I walked in and immediately the smell of the room I started getting faith I said this is a bad idea. This is a terrible idea but I go sit by a chair. So so she's draped from the neck down lying flat in back of course and draped. So I dive onto the stool right beside her head. So I'm duct below the drape from her neck up. A drape and I'm trying to hang in there Steve as as you know Steve I, love being the center of attention. But really here I'm going this is not you know do not pass out occa- do not do not do not make this about you Jim. Okay right now there's a little more important going on. Okay. And I glanced up Steve Okay and there's a big the big surgical light, right these big looks like a satellite dish right Steve Okay. What's it like? Tin. Foil records. Steel. Stainless steel. Light. It's the equivalent of a mirror Steve. And as I glance up. I see the. Surgeon. The Guy. Grabbed the uterus out of the stomach. Stephen set it up on her chest now my God. Yeah. Just. Like. Pulling out a bag or fruit out of a grocery bag just two hands lifted up set down here so. No one anyway back to the tourism, no one wants to be home for that Steve, Okay and Even, the kids when they're they don't need to go home I owned this freaking team. You're not going home. Okay. You're not going home because of this. TONS OF PEOPLE Steve can get through the day without having to go see their newborn or a week old or two weeks old or even the frigging birth. Okay. We got change that Stevie we've got to change. We've got a Stanley Cup here we're trying to win okay quite a bit of this is ingest I get that but at the same time a Little surprise they have this take because you've been. So cove sensitive to this stage like cancel the season and I. Don't know why they're doing this, and this is ridiculous like you know kind of big picture. That's Kinda Rask's spin on things when he's going home to his family, maybe maybe Steve Okay but what the playoffs is complicating this take. Okay it's complicated take. We got. Underway Stephen Okay. You're not going home you're not going freaking home. The NHL. Give credit right this. This thing is working right this bubble thing that they've done with the two cities. Right. So we got it all under control here too. Okay. Okay, you're not. There's there's no took any days off your to no took days off. Okay back. Back to the freaking rink okay. Piss off with that. It's a real change in attitude interesting I know. I can't speak for the fans I can't speak for the players. But if I'm guess I'm thinking that's probably a really unpopular decision in the bruins dressing room like I think Mug Millbury. Took some heat. He said on NBC nobody is simply opted to leave the bubble just because they didn't want to be here and they needed to be with their family I wouldn't have done it and the rest of the NHL players wouldn't have done it and Millbury said that rask leaving is going to be a difficult decision to swallow for Bruin fans and I know the entire team is saying they all support him but I think he's trying to be politically correct and agreeable during this whole Kobe thing i. think if you're climbing the heads of his teammates I, I don't think they like it very much i. feel like if I'M One of his teammates I'd be like we all kind of agreed to do this cove and all, and now you're bailing two weeks into the playoffs. You don't think I miss my wife and kids, right right so that that timing's a little weird. You know there's something up there but tell me this. D-. Okay. If a guy didn't okay didn't go home the birth of a kid. Okay and and the guy knows the birthday gonNA happen we a schedule deal it's happening tomorrow morning at eleven o'clock. and. You can jump on a plane here and get back for their if the GUY doesn't go steve for okay and he says, no I got. You know it's a it's a playoff game. Is anyone going to think anything bad about the guy? I'm not. I'm not. If the players really understood and supported Rask's decision the way they say they are like, wouldn't they all believing right now and go home and be with their families but their state the staying to compete for a Stanley Cup right. So I think it's it's trying to say the right thing. It's a difficult time for the world with covert and everybody wanted to do and say the right right things at this stage in our in our species existence but I really think that that's a far. More, unpopular decision than the players and the coach or letting on right now. Yeah. It's like I've always said Steve It's two different piles. Okay. If you're a pro athlete and you you've got a family that's that shit's in a different pile. Okay. The family stuff is you know you can't. We've always joked, right the greatest day of my life is I won the Stanley Cup and then the guy looks and sees his wife right and goes okay it's the second second grade is day right? It's. Different things you what the guy should do Steve. If TOCO IF to was jumping in his car saying I'm splitting. Okay. I'm Outta here you know what I do, Stevie. Just got this idea today I go to my car. Go to my trunk I pull out an axe and I drill it at his car. That's what I'm doing. Okay. You're referencing a story in smiths falls from a couple of days ago where we had up with a road rage incident, it wasn't a case flip in the bird at somebody or yelling and screaming remain a fistfight breaking out. No the guy who was really pissed off in a road rage rage incident smiths falls he's twenty old. He decides he jumps out of his vehicle flips open the trunk grabs an axe and chucks it at the other person's car. Yeah, yeah you know Steve Can you teach your kids right road rage. All right. You got to watch for road rage, right? It's crazy. People lose their mind because they're in the big metal box here they can say anything. So once in a while Steve, you're going to see the Karma videos right I don't know if you've ever seen these on youtube they're great. They're great. They call them thug life and Carmen stuff like that and someone is up getting their face filled by some MMA guide. For example, I've seen a couple of the guy jumps out of his car to take the guy on and he's got. His tenth Dan Black Belt in karate. Just destroys the guy. So you you kind of keep that in the back of your mind Stevie. Right. You. Go I better not do this because that guy could be you know he could be like a boxer. Okay. You gotTa Watch for that. Could be a gangster, stevie. Right you've got to put on the list cared DOT CO Immune Yourself Steve Don't do that gay guy could snap get have a snap factor Steve Okay. You just don't know what you're up against. Never Steve that I have on my list. You GotTa Watch. Watch out for Paul Bunyan. Okay. He's He's You never know Steve when you're GONNA run into a lumberjack. Okay. In a road rage situation. Is becoming a big thing though it's a big. Like the same way people throw darts. We've all kinds of acts throwing things around town now where you can just show up and they've the big target and you throw the ax you know and we had a station promotion with that but Yeah. No I mean you really shouldn't be throwing at other people. Like this guy is a lunatic and. I'm curious about is that he was released pending their court date and what does it take? Actually get someone. You lock the guy like that not like. You know. Danger to society stuff a little bit. We throwing axes around. Steve, how would you use go with this one? Okay. So you got the axe in the trunk. Okay, you got a bit of you've got a bit of a bit of a anger issue Steve Okay bit of a management problem with your inc.. Maybe just go with open the trunk and maybe just glaze pull the acts out and maybe just show the guy that. Right, it's just go with that. Steve I out. Okay. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Gave you the finger sorry about that. All you'd have to do Steve You're show-me on acts. Okay. That's it, and then what do you want me to do? Whatever you want me to do I'm doing it. You don't need to throw it at me. Yeah. Okay. Just just the just the appearance of the axe in your your left hand or whatever you know of course, the goof-balls on read it got loose on this story with fun headlines Maybe. This is some kind of an acts of kindness. Leaving the scene of an accident, they need to arrest this Guy Chop Chop. We got. We should we should go I was Gonna ask you the what's The craziest thing you've ever thrown at someone in anger or had thrown at you I'll tell you the one that felt so bad about it happened in studio. It was when I was working with stuntman STU and buzz and. Buzz decided to chime in with something and. During the break he was not very happy with how the previous segmented gone and he tuned both Stu an I up and I got a little ticked off. Ticked off the stone and I decided that what I thought this Coffee Cup that was in front of me styrofoam good size was completely empty unfortunately for stew as I coughed it against the wall in anger it was absolutely filled to the brim with piping hot coffee and I launched it across the room in a hit him right in the face dosing him entirely with piping hot coffee I felt so bad. Yeah I. Well. I'll tell you what's the worst thing I've ever throwing eggs I. It was purely accents debate. It was one of my kids. They were. They were there I like I didn't mean to I got I got burt okay I. I thought it was carrying a bag of food in or some laundry or something I didn't realize it was my kid and walk through the kid anyway the fine. It's funny how parents do get caught with that. Sometimes they do that throw them up in the air and catch them by the armpits way. We. and. Then sometimes the top them or circling around the got him they got them by the ankle while they spin around in a circle or by the hands and all of a sudden they slip lose. Oh my God. I had a pool ball thrown at one time. That but the, but the winner remember the guy missed anyway. So and so bad. The one was I fell asleep while talking to my my wife at the time. She was she was talking about the kids or somebody and I fell asleep. There were Blurry Day Steve Okay see whenever sit in a couch is you know I was out cold until someone woke me up. and. While you you saw me fall asleep on air I fell asleep while she was talking to me. Okay and and so what what she did was, oh, my head went back on the couch. You. Know. Like a light. And So. She got a chair. Okay and got in behind the couch put the chair there grab the remote control stood up on the chair and and was right above my head. Okay. So now she's up about nine feet Steve Okay. uh-huh and lines up the remote control and dropped it onto my teeth into my move. On odd choice jice like a six footer. Okay. Six footer all the way now. Okay I thought. Wow, yeah that I can think of that noise that would make like that. Just a way. Oh it was awful. It was awful. You know what's GonNa jump what? Is the worst thing I've had thrown at me. All right. Quick time out and mortar come after these words, Jim came forward right now is pleased to announce the return of the Ford Bronco built with the toughness of the F. Series and the spirit of a Mustang to reserve the all new Bronco today afford dot ca just make your selection and choose your dealership. 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Later, you're enjoying those rich delicious paiko flavors old world pizza made the way it's supposed to be Paiko order online or drop into thirty-six Richmond road or one seventy metcalf. We should call today right there we've done enough damage and it's You know it's been an interesting show having done for my in any way. Black clouds monsoon rain through the entirety of the show actually stopped down one time to try and wait for the rain to pass, and then it started up again immediately after we got going again. But it's kind of getting back on the saddle type of show. Again, thanks to everybody for their kind condolences on the passing my dad last week in James You you in particular have been great through this whole thing and we'll. Be got one in the box here. We'll get really back to normal for our next show so we shall talk you tomorrow. They take it. Easy. Steve. Ignite. Everybody Stevie I've got a final thought. Okay. What is it? Okay We're right in the middle of playoffs here Steve. Yes. There's a ton going on Daniel King Okay one she won. A week ago, she won two hundred number one in the world now. I don't think we've been on since you want second event she placed fifth this week at the Scottish open all big news Steve Okay but really bunch bunch of hockey stuff going on Steve. All right. People want to know my takes on on all the things that are going on here it is Stevie. The Rocket Ronnie O'Sullivan World Snooker Championship Oh. That's the thirty five, eighteen ten. Eighteen eight he throttled the guys. Obsolete thrown forty, five years old Steve Six world title. Okay. I'll reread here for we buried the lead the same way the rocket buried that key shaw side pocket. it's a huge day. Stevens. World graduations and the rocket goodnight everybody will see Ya.
336: The Tkachuk-Scheifele Incident: Dirty, Clean or Careless? NHL Production in Bubble Beats NBA's
"The S WPA podcast sports and whatever. Everybody welcome to the S W P where, of course, we revel glorious tales sports and the whatever. But thank you for being with us today loads to get to I. Mean my God sports is back. Sports is exploded everywhere here in what's supposed to be the dog days of summer in Sports Stanley playoffs NBA stretch run major. League baseball least trying to get through the early part of their season with all the Kobe stuff that's happening. So lots to get to James. Great to have you on board as always our things are good. Stevie sports is back Steve Unless you play baseball. Okay. This thing is self-destructing self-destructing. Right I. Mean there's just I look at I look at the I'm back on the score APP you know since we've got some live sports and I just see postponed postponed postponed its crumbling Steve It's crumbling. So I hope I hope that's not going to be the case the hockey. Or the Gulf or anything else or But kind of it kind of is a little bit of foreshadowing, Steve. What may happen in the? The rest of the world of sports it's in Elkin Steve Plan. Really when you get down to it without the bubble, it's a bad idea I. think we're seeing it in baseball for sure and hold your breath for hockey. So the oilers. Lots of talk about. So the oilers get annihilated. Okay. The score doesn't reflect. How bad got walked? The scored the first goal. Here we go. Take. Power play Connor mcdavid one nothing bang. Bang Bang, they say, Hey, give up four in a row. Okay. BY CHICAGO AND I think they went up at five one at some point to and or there's got to late got got too late ones. To make it six final six for her they they get crushed. So we're all a little worried here in Edmonton. Steve. But they hit the post three times Steve Okay. At least three, I was listening to the radio on my drive back to Edmonton. They hit the polls. And that that happens Stephen. Hockey right happens. Right. If I saw one take Steve, I saw twenty people. Say. You know what? You what? Don't worry about the oilers they hit the post three times. Okay. They're going to be just fine. Stevie you know another word for hitting the posters. They missed the net. It's like it's like Steve San. You know what? The sense where we're like a short three feet away from winning that game, right? Okay. And that maybe they lost six four Steve but but but they've fired two shots a foot and a half wider the net right? That's no good. Yeah. It's close and everything, but it's still it's still amiss. Say Tom Bourassa one said and somebody asked him the question is like Oh you got. Pretty lucky there with a few billion look at three goal posts. Tonight I get some good luck out there as we want to save the ones going wide as well. Yeah. They didn't hit the net stop stopped with the they did just find the got robbed. You know didn't get robbed and get robbed missed missing net. Pretty interesting though that Chicago wins that game and I believe the. Are the worst Western team that makes it into this thing. Now, they don't want to call playoffs they WANNA call them qualification rounds. Okay. Wherever They're calling it that but Chicago's the worst team in the West and they come up with a victory and their first game and Montreal's the worst team in the east and they come up with a victory in their first game beating Pittsburgh and overtime three, two two. So I wonder if we might see a first round rife with upsets, those would be two big ones anyway the biggest if if the track record of the past holds true. We've talked about it in a previous episode back in I believe it was nineteen, eighty six was the last year. The NHL did best of five series, the winner of Game One, one, all eight series and. I don't expect that to necessarily happen here, but it's going to be interesting. The gotTa Stop Steve. They've got to stop with the stats about a team. Okay and their record against another team. That's older than two years old St. Let's not forget Edmonton in Chicago. Since nineteen, ninety, nine, these guys are thirty and thirty. Okay drives me crazy. We're in for a big series here Steve Watch out these guys are dead frigging even since one thousand, nine, hundred, nine. Okay. Yeah. That they've got to stop with that Shit they do it all the time. The leaves met next year in the playoffs. For example, you know that there'd be people going up to Ottawa senators player. So Toronto's had your number in the play offs a high you approach this series. You know people be going wait. That's twenty years ago dude, you know almost. The bottle Antero started twenty years ago in two thousand and they played four times in those early days and his like. That has nothing to do with me. I wasn't born. Right, yeah there's there is some relevant stats I'll give you that I'll sure I'll give you that. Like the the oilers, which is really lopsided. The others got the number one power play, but they're the worst five on five. Before I'm laying down my Steve, I pulled her right back when I heard that one you know pulled her right back. Okay. That's a that's a significant stat. Totally right. That's why I always put a lot of stock in when you talk about players individually and you talk about their point totals. What are they five on five? How many points of they come up with five on five because the power play? That's not the game that I mean, that's obviously a part of it but the time and space you're afforded in a power play situation it's a different game and the guys who can thrive five on five. Those guys you want, and that's why a guy like our Aaron he's one of the MVP candidates and he led the League I think in five on five, and that's why a guy like that. She get a little extra love for that very reason. But having said that I don't think my stat. About what happened in nineteen eighty six in this case as able to do with the age of teams or players and the turnover of players it's more to the fact that we've got a best of five. It's very short series and you have to get off to a good start. But it's not that crazy of stat. Okay. You're. You know it's a race to three here. And so people are GonNa Watch this team that wins the first game in race three. Generally goes on to win the series. Wow. You think Chicago and Montreal going to win the series then. They sure got a better shot Steve Than, than than Edmonton. Pittsburgh I'm not saying there's no to it in there. Yeah. You're right. There is a bit of captain obvious behind the whole thing. Yeah, and you lay it out like that. How successful? Like I didn't I didn't think it'd be like eight Oh game one winners back in eighty six and those best to fives, and we haven't seen a best of five since that year and so. When I see that level of success I really put I really put a lot of stock in what's going on in all these game ones across the league, the goals, four goals against Stevie, I want to know okay I wanNA. Know I wonder how many are free tenders letting in? You know I want I, WanNa know plus minuses on guys that stuff is because I bet stevie so that Shit's important to me. Most people hate the plus minus debt. You. No it goes into a lot of a lot of my. Calculations Steve. I know you're doing a hard but research say foreign over the number is looking at the video i. get it I get it. So what did you think of the presentation because of course no fans means no. While the visuals they tarp over all the stands and I don't think about a chance because we took a long long weekend here to. Talk to you about this, they put tarps all all over the stands logos on those types and piped in all the ambient sound piped in goal horns and the crowd gets excited after there's a goal scored. I'm like who you guys cheering for your all exactly the same sound effect for for every goal that score for both sides. So that seems a little weird. What did you think? Generally, the Game Day presentation broadcast wise. I've got to admit Steve I was not distracted with it at all. They've got the nice little stretchy sheets. Whip nls sort of rubber sheets that stretch over the whole lower bowl and I didn't. For two minutes I. Looked at it one. Oh Wow. Let's watch the game I didn't interesting contrast to like I'm watching Montreal Pittsburgh 'cause I'm at the bar and I'm watching Montreal Pittsburgh on one TV giant screen and on the TV next to it, the raptors are playing the Lakers and I found a very interesting contrast between the two. How good the NHL Product look compared to the NBA product. Like the NBA product, the lighting was poor like you could see the players shadows everywhere. It looked like they had second to your lighting I thought this computer animated fan effect that they had going up in the stands you've been to concerts before right in big arenas where they kind of everything off. Well, basically all they did was they curtained off all the way around the court. At about I'd say fifteen rose up in in the facility so. They have this computer generated fan thing going on I'll hand and it just looks. Really cheesy and and I thought the NHL made a good decision to tarp over and put some logos up. I just found it distracting to be honest with some of the things they were doing on the NBA broadcast i. WanNa, give Kudos to them because I will say I have watched games before covert aside under regular circumstances I've watched games particularly watches CFL game. Okay and tough to draw fans. They have a hard time when it used to be in. The big all. Now. They're at McGill stadium, and of course, when Toronto to play at at at the Skydome. Now, they're playing and. That I don't know if they're back playing. They're not maybe they moved him too far Sierra I don't know but anyway. Looking at those games when they play in those big, those big bowls and the seats are empty go oh, my fucking God is this Bush League is this look terrible right? As. So That that that that's what I always thought when I see when I see games with no people in accounts like, okay no one likes the sport. Yeah I. Do about it, it's like you can't criticize them. It's like come on. You gotta you. Know. Obviously, the circumstances are dictating this. I just think the NHL made a way better choice with the look of what's happening in the facility itself? It just looks way better. I I would almost guarantee that the NBA 'cause they're trying stuff they wanna see us stuff looks and throwing stuff against the wall see what works I think they're going to put that away these fake fans cartoon fans the same kind you'd see if you're playing a video game, it just looks right it's distracting and it looks cheap. All right. Let's take our first time out on the program. When we come back, we'll get into the matthew could chuck controversial hit on March Shifu over the weekend and also will talk about the NBA players pudding social issues on the backs of their Jersey where their surnames normally would be. That's after these words. If you're a loyal listener you've probably heard me on this podcast before I'm Joe Girardi all Insurance Ontario. I'm also a big fan of the show if you are to. We'll probably get along. One Green shirts rates then I'm your guy call or text me. 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They have going right now in these early games as the NBA gets back at it that instead of their surnames on the back of jerseys. they've gone with different social causes. Black lives matter being one of the most common ones I saw education reform I saw a lot of. I think I saw was Ghazal for the raptors he had justice going. Raptor said coach Nick? Nurse. Had vote. Obviously, not a trump fan. On his on his hoodie. So it was kind of interesting I wonder if that is because it was funny because the NFL used to. Find guys for having any social causes going on I. Remember guys will take a sharpie and they write something on their Sauk and they get fined right word. Because it just wasn't. You know was taboo now right I think moving forward it's being encouraged Steve I could see some pushback from the fan eventually saying I don't tune into this to hear your political views. On stuff. Okay. I. Buy my season ticket to do this. I pay my cable to do this I, sign up in the streaming device so I can watch sports and so. I don't know what's going to happen with it. You know I'm not sure there. There was some cry right away I put this tweet up today by checking out Steve I was doing a video of the hitting the posting I just talked about and. I'm I'm driving while I'm doing the video Steve. And So. At the end I said don't text and drive you know as a joke and you can see in the background, Steve a police car driving right beside me own. Anyway. I digress. I don't know which side I land on Steve With this thing. When I see what NBA's I, don't see any downside, I see that as a pretty good way of creating awareness. That's the big thing here that people want they want to create awareness. So how can we do that? How can you and I do do it Stephen a podcast housing kids do it in school. How can how can retailers do it and how athletes do and how can owners teams do it, and how can news outlets news outlets do it? Okay. How can you do it without becoming distracted I don't mind this. I don't mind with the NBA's doing. No, I think it's the way it's because there's always going to be that discussion about trying to keep things in the news top of mind, and that's what the black lives matter. Movement is looking for. They don't want this thing what happened to George Floyd this problem that's existed for so long they don't want this to fade. We saw Minnesota Wild defenceman Matt Doumba become the First NHL Player to take a knee he wasn't playing in the game that he spoke. He didn't beautiful beautiful speech and and talked about things and then took a knee during the anthem I said, he wished he'd stayed on one knee when the Canadian anthem went off. He said I kind of froze up I didn't mean any disrespect by it, but he's certainly spoke. Eloquently about the whole thing but the reality is it's going to be tricky to keep it from fading because the reality is and you saw with what? What? What happened in that NBA game there were a lot of other social issues that that were brought forth with guys wearing stuff on their jerseys Most of it still had you know the black lives matter. At the whole core of it. But Let's be honest. black lives matter while extremely important. There are other. Incredible things that you need promotion like that's black lives matters crucial but it's not the only thing that mankind is dealing with like what about speed battered women what about world hunger? What about cancer? What about autism? And inevitably drunk driving sales people whatever it overdoses Kelpie tons and tons gang gang warfare. Yeah. But this is all the were focused on for the moment but slowly, but surely we're going to. have to tackle other things as well, and it'll be interesting to see if they're going to open it up just like whatever player has a 'cause Celeb- that they wanna put put on the back of their Jersey. Is, that going to kind of water things down were were stopped paying attention to all of it to your point and that it becomes comes kind of just something barely even notice anymore if everybody's got a different model on the back of their Jersey. I think sports has it right? Steve came to cancer. Know that there's so many different types of cancer. It's fatal. It's awful. It it tears apart families. It destroys lives from from God two months old to to right up until the day you die in a senior. The Pink Ribbon Thing Steve that came along in the color. Pink. That came along really ally in my mind really allows. Athletics and really allow sports teams to make a statement about it without it being a distraction. You know. Golf does it right? They all wear the ribbon right? You've seen that you know the pink ribbon has been around for a long time and I think it's great I think it's great. I think it's wonderful that they wear pink and pink hockey sticks they do it. They. Really I think they really have it down perfectly about how do we make sure that people know we respect what's going on and don't ignore it. So the kneeling down thing Steve After while I think people people are going to say look at that. That's too much. That's too much. I'm not. I'm not interested for these two and a half hours. Of what your political views are? Been Nhl memo or something like their everybody standing during the anthem with the exception of Mac dumbo on the weekend But we went through a whole mess games and lots players weren't taking a knee. So I'm not sure on that front exactly how that's being played up in baseball. We're seeing tons of players taken a knee and as the NFL begins I think that you'll probably see eighty percent of. The League, taking a knee and if everybody's doing it, the Colin Kaepernick did it he was the only guy and everybody's like jaw-dropping. Oh my God. Look at that guy he's doing something different. But if it becomes the norm than the message will inevitably before long be lost. You know when you're in your regular day. Okay. You Get up right. You get up you do some stuff you watch the news. You know you look at some some stories for the podcast. You might jump in the car you might go to Timour and you might whip over to Home Depot you might pop into a restaurant. You know if you went to Tim Hortons Steve through the drive through and the drive through lady. Started started giving it a thirty seconds of her political views. Of what she thought a social injustice if the guy at home depot went to help you down the aisle said, wait a minute here. I. Just you know I'm going to take a knee. It's the initial gesture and that's why capper nick was. So heavily criticized because he was the first to do it every example you just gave their, it's like. No, one's accustomed to it. They're writing their own rules and everybody's going. Okay. What? No the anthem means we stand we stand on guard for the everybody stands for the anthem. You're taking a knee right now we noticed that but the reality is that's why took the flak because he chose to do that. Nobody else knew that rule I understand everybody now understands the rule everybody gets what the knee stands for because it was redefined for all of us but initially when it first started. He chose that and nobody understood it initially because we all knew there was only one rule you stand for the anthem brought this up before I go into a the average legion to grab a beer with friends and I say I keep my hat on which is taboo. You don't do it. You're supposed to take your hat off at the Legion but if I say right side to say, I'm not taking my cap off because this is a protest against the lack of autism funding that exists for families in Canada. That's a noble cause but it certainly, it's certainly not what everybody understands. Nobody understands that it'll take years and years of educating everybody that that's what I'm doing when I go to elision I kept my cap off or cap on because I've got this autism thing going on. So yeah, initially, there's always going to be pushed back to stuff like this. When you randomly decide that this is you're going to redefine something no one understands right I have nothing but respect for Colin Kaepernick honestly. And I think we're at a stage. Now at least I, think with anybody wants to take a knee. Now, it's fully respected because we have a full understanding of what it means now, but let's say something else comes along You know somebody else decides okay. I've got a social issue here the anthems playing lots of guys taking knees others are standing, and then somebody else does some other gesture now to promote some other wonderful 'cause and as a sports fan I'm going to be Kinda. Rubbing my temple. Guys this wanted I just came to spend a couple of bucks on a on a few beers a few laughs of the FELLAS and watch my team win everything. We're talking about there and and shedding light on his wonderful and good and noble. But I'm here to cheer for the home team and then go home I used to like it. I just don't think it's the time or place to do it. But you appreciate all the great causes though. I appreciate absolutely Steve, how are we going to create awareness Nari time out on the program. FOR OFFER IN STEVE WHEN WE? CF are. See how far as Ottawa CFO it's here in Edmonton. That's the version. It has a new thing you and I we did a new thing Gotcha. Okay. Good. I like to talk I like it good talk get note there we'll be back with more after these words. Hi I'm Josh President of All Insurance Ontario. There's one thing I love as much as sports is helping people get the best deal on insurance. 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A little play on a people taking their needs Steve on the the previous. Story. We talked no catches my. Eye on Tokyo's knee I get it now i. Took take a knee take an east. Steve. You took. We're not supporting each other very well in the humor department today. I know it's terrible. This is dot good. Yeah. It's not working out very well. You know what? If that guy tried to cut him with Escape Blade Steve I? It's it's gangster man it's gangster it's fucking criminal if he did that's the accusation for pomerance by the way, the jets head coach he said. He's accusing him of intentionally injuring sharply where's the actual? Yeah. is a filthy dirty kick to the back of the leg. He went after the back of the leg could have cut the Achilles tendon he could have ended the man's career. It's an absolutely filthy disgusting hit cajal denied all of that and kind of rolled his eyes at the actual deal. He said it was such an accident I feel terrible about it. I hope he's okay. He's a top player in this league and he's great for the game mindue Steve We've seen guys intentionally kicked guys, right. was, it in Ottawa. Martin Havlat on Mark Ricky when ricky was with the flyers. Yeah. And of course, the famous one here Eric Carlson getting. stomped on by Matt, Cook the Odd Thing Steve Always into sport hockey when I when this thing is brought up saying they're going to have to look into this because it looks like it was an intent to injure right you're playing in a sports steve were injuries happen all day long the whole thing is an intent ginger. Okay. Go in and lift weights, and when you compress three hundred fifty and you can escape fucking like the wind out there hit someone it's a little goofy that freak out about intent to injure you know there was no intent to be cutting a guy. I don't think it was any kind of. Go off to the Achilles and cut them and we'll win the series. He wasn't thinking in those terms but I do think he was thinking in terms of you know what? If I kind of locked with his foot here on my trip them up a little bit here or impede is progress a little bit here. I do think he was thinking in those lines I don't think he was thinking of meeting really malicious. I don't think. So either I but I just think it's always funny that they they all day freak out and you know the coaches calling for his head saying throw him in jail. Yeah. I think that there's the needs to be punishment for what happened there in my opinion but not to the extent that some people are saying where it's you know it's gotta be like a long suspension. Or something like that. But I do think it needs to be treated at least as harshly as unintentional high stick. We see those all the time you look at the guy who committed the infraction you say to yourself immediately well, he didn't clearly didn't mean to clip him on the Chin there that was, but he drew blood with his stick and what do we always say when that happens you? Have to be in care and control of your stick blade. If that's the case assures hell need to be in Karen, control of your skate blade. So I think there needs to be some level of punishment just for the recklessness of it you need to be responsible if you're skates come off the ice and it's your fault that they did like if it was a case of he was being. Agenda Duress or something the opponent did to make his skate go up like that. Then I don't. I don't have anything bad to say about the play, but it was by his own volition that skates coming up and in my opinion it came up on his own and he needs to be a little more responsible with the very sharp skate blade this just in it can do some damage. What's what's the harm to the guy? What happened? What's the injury report on the guy? while. There is no injury reports, right? It's It's cove, right? So everything is declared a player unfit to play. Oh Stupid. I'm not a fan. Anyway what one all here Steve you're leaf fan this is. Six forty. Five mountain time. Steve the. Toronto Gay. Well. That's a weird update says future Steve Because the lease lost that game without scoring a goal they fell to nothing all that offense all that money spent on it zero goals Columbus with a one nothing series lead there by the way if you have any ideas for blue team elimination watches for this year, send him along Steve W project that outlook dot com at the end of just dying minutes of a period one. Chris the game is over people. Hear you say that just just throwing that I know I know. Fair, enough. Ladies and gentlemen before we go, we'd like to remind you that You know it is a daily program and We're power and long here love and doing it and great interact with everybody would really appreciate everybody listening but as daily program we do have an opportunity for you to kind of support things along the way If he'd like to become a member in the program just check it's Steve W project dot com, and then click on patriotic membership and Yeah. Lots of fun. Lots of perks. Lots cool. Stuff. Got Some mugs that I'm working on in the merchandise department as well with our ugly mugs on the Mug. I got some merch for you, Stevie. Get some suspense stuff for you. Just real. Nice. Thank you. I. Modeled I modeled it a little while ago. A couple of days ago. Didn't you see me model on social media? No no no. Go back and look no. Yeah. We show any final thoughts today old Stevie I do. I do have some final thoughts really you don't just started the last couple of days Steve What and you'll remember this from a year ago. The world snooker champion now, my God, I'm Sharon for the rocket. Stevie in the bubble rock-. Rocket Ronnie Elia Inda Sheffield. Steve is where it's played in the crucible Steve The khanate crucible thin and shuffled England Nice. You'll fans no fans allowed. Have they got computer generated fans freaking out because? He put that that seven ball in the side pocket. No, not snooker Steve Don't bastardize the tournament whatever it's not Boston balls or eight ball or nine ball that booker. Members you're right. Bone up a little bit for you call yourself a sports. person. You look into that world snooker. All right fair enough. I'm going to bring a snooker fact. Okay. At one fact today Steve. Go like this. You're kidding me Ray. Okay. It's not GonNa be a lame duck snooker fat. Okay. So if I told you the guys won five World Championship Steve Okay. Ronnie O'Sullivan. Shoots both ways. Right, handed and left handed in competition every single game all day long. What would you say that? It goes both ways. Okay. Good. The rocket I told you supposed to say you gotTa go you're kidding me. No I I wasn't that. Shoots both ways. Look. What do you mean? He's done. That's like a hockey player shooting both ways Steve. Okay. It's like I'm stickhandling reversing his hands going down the ice. All right. What do you think? It's awesome. We'll try we'll try it against. Your cutting a Mon with ecstasy this guy. Guy Plays both way steven shoot with either have shoots shoot. Can hold a Q. flip-flop either way down or right and what's. Good night everybody. We'll see you. Got? A. Long Week ahead you're kidding me.
EPISODE 017 - BROOKE HENDERSON, STEVE YZERMAN, LEAFS NOT CANADA'S TEAM
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I'm great love that love the Brooke Henderson thing. Wasn't that? Wasn't that exceptional amazing? I'll tell you what Steve this is what bothered me about it. And. If she wins her eight event on tuber, she's not even twenty two years old yet. What what I was totally surprised that they didn't talk about fair enough that she tied the record for the most wins by any Canadian pro golfer. Sandra post, Mike, Weir and George Knutson because they they must have gone to that card about one hundred times during the round that she was about to tie this exceptional record by Canadian of all golfers. Okay. Men men and women what what they never mentioned. Steve is how good is eight victories by the time. You're twenty one who's shattering that record. They never made any reference to it at all this kid. I think she's twenty two in the fall. I I don't know. Yes September, but how many how many pro athletes pro golfers have won eight tournaments in there by the time. They're twenty first birthday rolls around the name that comes straight to mind on the men side given that he was so good. So young would be Tiger Woods, and I looked him. Up and he's a nineteen seventy five baby. So in nineteen ninety six he had a going into that year had zero wins on the PGA tour. He won twice that year. So when he was Brooke Henderson's age he had two wins and Brooke eight, but as far as the ladies go, nobody touches Lydia KO because she's the same age right now as Brooke Henderson, and she already has twenty professional wins fifteen of them coming on the LPGA tour. So in terms of getting to a certain level by age twenty one. Brooke Henderson has been amazing. But Lydia KO has bested her in that area. I mean when when the books are Brooke Shields Winterbrook Henderson, turn pro when she was sixteen seventeen. I think she. Yes. She was around seventeen eighteen I think is it was an I think it was one of those deals. She was trying to get early placement on the L PGA tour, and and I think it was very close to eighteenth birthday when she finally became a full-time member of the tour now TV some further. Effective on the Canadian side of things you mentioned already that. There are three other golfers to players in history from Canada that have one eight times. So it's a four way tie right now. And Brooke Anderson, she Windsor eight that Twenty-one Sandra post was almost thirty three when she won her eighth. Mike Weir was thirty seven when he won his eighth and Knutson was thirty five when he got his yes that lend some perspective to how amazing this is. And she's got a quarter century now to set the record. Yeah. I mean, she just shattered it, although it's a tie. I mean, she just pummeled everyone. What was the earliest age thirty three or thirty five years old yet thirty three Sandra post, regardless of all that just I just love seeing Canadian when an American game, you know, typically American game and. Hats off to her and what a kit what a kid she's like every daughter that every father ever wanted. And there seems to be no amount of success. That's going to affect her. Because this is the eighth time. She's wanna tournament. And then gave an interview offer it's over and she still sounds so all shocks and all down to earth and Hambo. I mean, listen to this here. She is just moments after she's tied the Canadian record for two or wins. The interviewer is the encores reporter, Jerry Foltz. And this clip is courtesy of our friends at the golf channel irc Anderson you made history today and your next win. You will become the winningest Canadian in the history of professional golf. Did you think just a few years ago when you started your professional career, you would have accomplished this much at this point? You know, it's just been surreal the last few years. It's just really amazing to get this way. Thais Andhra time weird too. Which is really amazing just just so happy. And you know today was kind of a battle there. I meant. Mingy nellie. They played good golf. It was just so windy. Just happy that I come out on top in that clip. Courtesy of our friends at the golf channel. What's that all about? No, you never did that before you never have to give credit. Mel we kinda do now with pod cash thing I've been reading up on the legalities copyright laws fair use of others materials. And so kind of have to do it. You still my stuff all the time. You never give me credit. No, I don't I want some credit. Did you want to pull rank and take me to court here? People people on Twitter, they use all my expressions all the time. I went credit credit. Well, let's if you want to pay for the the lawyers to suss that out and try and get blood from some of these stones out there. Then go at it. Anyway, listen back to Brooke Henderson. Great interview. Great story. Great win. And I didn't realize it was such a family affair, of course. I knew her sister who was a golfer in her own, right? She played on the symmetric to her little bit. And gave all that up to caddy for sister. Smart move. Good move. And her dad is our coach dad was a former hockey player. Didn't I didn't know any of that stuff? So the golf channel did do. Nice job and bring me up to speed on all of that stuff. So it's a really cool story. Real family affair. I wonder about you could speak to this because you're a big golfer, and you have been your whole life. I can speak to anything. Steve, you know, that the ABA you can speak intelligently to this. Thank you credited to jungle. Okay. Nice master. So when we watch Tiger Woods come apart for several years. The better part of a decade really some of that was his own some of that was his own undoing from a social perspective, and I'll leave it at that. But he also had the injury stuff and the injury stuff. I think comes about because of the way the violent way that he swang swung a golf club back in the day. The Torchy's putting enough front knee in the back and all that stuff. And just absolutely ripping at the bowl when I watch Brooke Henderson and her takeaway like most golfers strive to get their backswing. So that goes back in foreign off that the shaft of the club is kind of parallel to the ground. She her club had goes way past parallel. And she's putting a tremendous amount of torque on that that, you know, in her midsection and things like that. I'm not wishing this in any way, shape or form on her anything like that. Obviously. I'm just curious. What you think if if that's a Gulf swing that can survive long term like without the body breaking down in the you know in the late twenties early thirties. Yeah. Well, it's the prising that not that there's not more golfers who succumb to a bunch of injuries. Right. Because of the way I was talking the other day. You know, it's the worst thing for your back. Right. Because it's like turn it as fast as you. Can twist it. Okay. Like like like. Like on a turntable. Twist your back that way as hard as you can. And then snap at the other way. But don't move your feet. Right. So it's really bad on your back. But but there's not too many golfers careers. There's not too many who ended early because of injury surprisingly some suffer through it a little bit. And there there is the person, right? That hasn't been able to fish their career because of injury. But I think this day and age Steve with with all the resources that they have medically and and. They're in oxygen tents, and they got massage people there. They got physiotherapist peop- people there at the course, all that stuff. I think that days gone by that that they haven't sort of tackled. The the the golf injury thing, you know, so. There's a few like Michelle we can't play right now. She's got a bad wrist. And it keeps it's a recurring thing with her. But that's a rarity. That's a rarity. You know? So I can't really speak to that. As a matter of fact about whether she'll. Suffer injury or not. I don't think. So. Well, it's certainly nice and fluid right now. But she while she's twenty one too. So she can do anything at that age. But that's good though. Because you Canada's a pretty strong Olympian there for the next what six Olympics or so -absolutely. Yeah. She finishes her homework. She can go to the Olympics. She gets that math project done. Yes. Aren't you complain the next major? All right. Let's shift our attention now to little hockey talk. And I wondered did you see any of the NHL from the weekend looks like Toronto and Boston for one looks like they're going to be going to a game. Number seven. I've continued to get hit over the head with this concept of the last Canadian team standing I should cheering for them. No. I shouldn't. No, I won't. But the series looks like it's I mean, the third time in six years he's to clubs are going to a game seven. Well, I did I watched the game this afternoon the Toronto game fantastic hockey game, man. Did you see the did you watch the game the third period whole thing? Yup. Toronto was mauling them in the third period. Trying to make the comeback. And of course, they got where they get it through three two. Yup. Mun four two was the final and Toronto certainly started out. Well, they got the first goal in the game. And they came on strong at the end is well, kind of had a sense that it was only a matter of time before they broke through but Boston stem the tide and we're off to game seven. It was fantastic game the Washington series. I'm watching Calgary's gone. Of course, I think since our last podcast, they're they're toast Winnipeg's tolls. It's really good. It's really good. Okay. Now. I know there's some issues. Right. Everyone's talking about what were your notes you sent me goal tender interference. What else is there? What what are the beefs? The people have right now about the first round of the playoffs while the goaltender interferences. Certainly a big factor. I it's it's a mess right now. The off-side challenge is been a source of big debate as well. I'm just so done with replay replay it go away and the reason. For that. Is that we're in a situation? Now were I'm just as frustrated as I ever was long before we had a chance to officiate by way of instant replay. Meanwhile, I've lost the ability to spontaneously celebrate what's going on on the ice. Oh my team to score to win the Stanley Cup. Hang on hang on. Let's wait for a minute. And then about five minutes later than you. Can celebrate the Stanley Cup victory. I just feel like they're getting it wrong. So frequently right now, then why are we bothering with these insane long delays and the removal of all these spontaneous celebrations that fans could have listen. Okay. And and obviously you're falling into the same category. I'm afraid to tell you, my friend. I'm afraid to tell you all of a sudden when the playoffs happen. Okay. The hockey's the best it's ever. The hockey's the best it's ever gonna be during during season. The playoffs are the best. All of a sudden. Now every story that comes out of every gain from the playoffs is some sort of this goalie interference some sort of video replay deal some sort of, you know, unfair fights Lovie got into that guy some sort of crosscheck sum, sir. Let's get an extra referee on there. Let's get better calls. Let's get rid of a why did people all of a sudden bring all this shit up only during the playoffs. You know that that that is wrecking the playoffs. You know? It's not wrecking the playoffs. The video replay thing has been around for a long time. It's it's an exceptional tool to try and make it fair. You know, the the goaltender interference thing was that in the was in the Boston series was in the Tronto Boston series. They've had one Calgary had one. We've saw with San Jose Vegas that will series turned on a dime. On the Logan couture goal. Tender interference call that was bogus. It's happening all through the playoffs and people are whining about it. Now because the games mean so much more and they're paying way more attention than they do in the regular season. I can only speak for myself, though, Jim I have been bleeding on about this for five years. Yeah. But that arguments been around for a hundred years what getting rid of replay. We were talking about that when I was on the show right about replace. And and then they started in baseball. And everyone's freaking out about it that it's destroying the game. You know, it's not destroying the game. It's fine. You're gonna have to wait. It's a good idea to have a replay. You know, whether they get the call writer, not where people are snapping about that. Well, they can't get every call right? Nick, Kip real the other night on television talking about that goal tender interference. Brought everyone up to speed about the situation room in Toronto. Okay. The go to flip it to those guys in Toronto. And he explained to people that what they're really there to do is first of all here. What the referee's call was. Okay. And they're there to back the guy up there to back the referee up unless it's so blatant. Then they'll change the rule there in support of the referees. They're not there to to to change the game or change the flow of the game. If it's not obvious the situation room, Kip rules told everybody if it's not obvious. They're not gonna change it. They're not going to change it. So it's not perfect. It's not perfect. You know? And if the ref comes on and says, this is exactly the way, I saw it. So you know, that's what I would like the call to be. And if it's close to that or not that's what they're gonna make it is what the rep set. So anyway that stuff has been around for a long time. But all of a sudden the playoffs happened and all these frigging fans come out of nowhere talking about the bad calls all the time. And for you know, and they're starting to take away from the actual game. Steve some not the calls itself or not the replace. But look at some team played well some team didn't there was a winner in a loser. And it's a fan. Most of it is fantastic hockey, you know, enough with turning the whole playoff. Upside down with all this shift about whether they should have replays or not I don't even have a dog in the fight. And you know, the team I cheer for the Ottawa Senators have a dog in this fight whatsoever. I'm just watching as a fan, and my feeling is that my frustration level that I had prior to instant replay being involved in -ficiating. My frustration level is at least as high as it was prior to that. So what are we doing it for? I mean, I don't feel like there that I don't feel if it's that much more accurate to the point where we're getting all these freaking long delays and getting it wrong. Anyway, a lot of the time. So that's. I know you think you're you think you're at that. You think you are and most people most people who have that same argument as you go it takes away from the spirit of the game. And I can't hear all that. Is that right? I want to see you Steve. I wanna see you when there's an obvious offside. Okay. There's an obvious offside against the Leafs. Okay. And the Leafs were off side, and they. Boston of scores a goal or something like that. And they didn't call the off side. But it was obvious. Okay. You're going to be freaking out, man. You're going to be freaking out until until you see the video. And you look at that. See it's an video. It's in the video, and they got it. Right. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you ref. You're proven wrong again. There was I'm telling you. That's what happened I would love to get rid of off such challenges altogether. Like just dumb. I know. That's just an example. But I dislike offside challenges in particular. But you'd let you dislike him until it's a call in favor of your team. You know, you will dislike it until you until it happens to your team. It's only human nature, and it's the same with every other call that's that's gone into video replay. I hate it. If it goes against me, and I love video replay it helped my team QuickTime owed faces magazine is our title sponsor, Ottawa's premium magazine. Casing the people places and events the make Ottawa's such a world class city this month, featuring actress, Sandra, supermodel, Harry, Paul some great features on sends players faces MAG dot CA and Jim gave Ford schedule your at home or at work test drive of twenty nineteen Ford. Ranger after an eight-year height is the Ford ranger his back book. Your at home test drive today. Jim k four dot com. You tribe in Orleans completely interrupted you. And I apologize, sir. Well, I'm excited I'm excited. You know, what this week is Steve do you know, what started yesterday? I'll tell you Sunday. You know, what started Saturday, and I'm not making this shit up. I love it. I love it. I've been watching it for years is the world. Snooker championships started yesterday Stevie. Okay, you're going to be on your own on this one. I'd love to chime in. But I know nothing about snooker. Remember snooker was the big now everyone plays bar pool. You know, they play nine ball eight ball. But remember the game Snuka was on a giant table. Twelve foot table by six feet Minnesota fats. Yeah. There you go. Fifteen reds. Okay. Fifteen rents colored balls. Anyway, it was big. I played it in the the reason I bring it up is because of a nightmare. I got I got drilled Steve by all the ice to love snooker, you still playing it. And I was shitty. I couldn't make two balls together. But but I love to gamble and boy did they see me walk in the pool room. Okay. When when I got I got hustled, Steve, I got hustled. Okay. All the time watching when I played snooker, and it makes me quiver. It makes me wake up in a cold sweat. Steve Barada would be a local Ottawa guy. He's big listener our show in the old days. And he's a big listener. Now, the podcast, and he was sort of Ottawa's best Newkirk. In fact, he played in the Canadian championship. But when they saw me walk in that room the first time St.. Eve, and I had I had a hundred bucks on me. I was cared. A lot of cash. HD cash is king. They were like Segel's hovering above me. And you could hear them when I walked in there about nine guys going mine mine, he's my finding Nima exactly nemo reference. I would get drilled so bad, Steve so bad. And then they'd say, well, how about play left-handed Oslo, I'll beach every time, right? And then I realized as walked out of the room. I saw you know, a trophy best left handed. Steve Brennan best left hand the player. One hand these to play me Steve one hand. Anyway, I'm watching the championships that started this week. I've been watching it for five years. There's a there's an leave this alone after this. There's a Tiger Woods of snooker guy named rocket the rocket Ronnie O'Sullivan, and he can play both ways Steve right handed or left hand in competition. I'll keep you posted CV on all the all the matches. Please do maybe get somebody on the show to talk about it. Steve I've got to get back at these guys. They took all my money. Steve they hustled me. They hustled me for all my bread St. Brad, and Greg Kennedy and all those we used to play the broken q Steve on Maraval road and baseline. I want to get back at these guys. Steve somehow, well now, they're all cross dressers. They're listening. There you go. Consider the score even for you cross dresser take that who's a Canadian guy that one like a world championship cliff Thorburn. There you go Stevie right on nineteen eighty boom. Nineteen eighty had the perfect game. Which is a rarity. It's like one in Gulf, and he had the first one Steve at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield England where the world championships are and you're lying. You really are into this. I've been watching it for five years. Well, it's really huge in Europe because of the bedding let the problem with it as match-fixing it's so easy to fix a pool game. Right. Snooker game. You miss right? Nope. Absorbing right. And there's tons of money bet on it. Okay. Now at the risk of upsetting. The one percent of our audience that's down with this discussion. I'm going to steer the conversation back over hockey. I just wanted to leave some of that in about that fucking bradtha. He used to drill me. Okay. I'll leave. It is. I want everybody who's asking me about this whole thing this concept of Canadian hockey fans that were supposed to rally for the lone Canadian team left. Can we just never say that again, like most of the people that are doing it the not really hardcore hockey fans, they're kind of the news people like news media, right? In other news media would sometimes dabble in the sports in on the talk about say that the hockey matches certainly are exciting. I'd say, you know, now that there's only one Canadian team. I guess you fell down with that team. Aren't you know, just shut up with that? Gasping me to cheer for the blue team is like asking me to change my sexuality. Sometimes I thought you had a couple of those mornings on the show. But. Which one the like this about Twenty-three, sexuality choices? Now. And that's okay. I don't know. You know, what you know, the Olympics all your cheering for is a country. Right. Yes. So let's have I don't I wouldn't you want to see you don't get that. You don't you're a hater of that team. But. I don't mind that deal. I think people should I think this should cheer for Canadian t was the last time a Canadian team won this Stanley Cup nineteen Ninety-three Montreal Canadian's over the LA kings, your Wayne Gretzky, that's right, by the way Gretzky in the news this week. Well, no, what do you do? Can you believe this think about that? For a second. It has now been counted up. Exactly twenty years since Wayne Gretzky, right course. Yup. Yup. I send tweet. Tweet tweet. I said, let me be can you imagine new imagine? How many I don't think he follows social media? Can you imagine how many texts or or comments? There wasn't Twitter and Facebook and Instagram congratulating way. What what do you think there probably was a million? So I was I was the day, and I go let me the first one to congratulate you. On your career. Of course played his last game in Canada right here in oughta would be a second last game. I guess overall far as regular season goes and the get it a play against the penguins in the finale, but you know, it's kind of special for Ottawa Senator fans here in town to see win Gretzky plays last game in Canada were you around for that game. Absolutely. I was. Yeah. We were I was in Ottawa when I saw him here. I didn't go to New York was his final. Final game. Wasn't it? That's allman. And I was at that game. But I read it out this week. Steve what people don't realize how funny he is. He's he's sleeper funny. And I asked him one time. Who's the toughest goal you ever played against any paused and said fuck, I never found any of them, very tough. Who could argue that? Yeah. Who could argue with that? I gotta say one of my favorite phone calls that I've ever had was with you had nothing to do with you though in the Gretzky in the car with you. And we ended up your he didn't actually get on the phone with me, but you are kind of the conduit between the two of us, and we're kind of serving in volleying hockey trivia of the past through you and went back and forth for a couple of minutes. But I I said to myself, you know, what that guy really is not just a player, and I would certainly blame a lot. I don't how many there are today. I wouldn't know what percentage is our players today who really know the history of the game. But I have not come across anybody who knows more about hockey trivia student of the game the way Wayne Gretzky is that try and take them on baseball. He'll slaughter you at that stuff too. That was his first board. Right. Yeah. Was that how long has it twenty years ago nineteen ninety nine the finale like my daughter? Was born in nineteen ninety nine she's in her second year of university. That's how long I mean. You can't blame some kids now for going. Who's Wayne Gretzky? Exactly. Well, I remember I'll tell you how I remember it. And it was it's probably how I got my job. Steve. Okay. Let's face. It really is my absolute knowledge of sports. Anyway, so Wayne warm to immediately. I was doing a show. This is true. This is true. I was doing I was filling in the way I got on radio originally Steve was I was emceeing a roast for. Killer. Okay. Brian kill Ray. So I was actually visiting or I just moved back to our forget. So I was doing this obviously, it was around nineteen ninety eight or nine and Al Davis was there from Ottawa sports radio was the first sports radio station in Ottawa, correct? Yeah. It was called Ottawa sports radio right out of the gate that named in last very long. It became the team quite quickly. Anyway, Al Davis is there, and I was having some yachts up on the Mike and having a bunch of laughs. And he came up to me after and said, hey, would you would you mind jumping on air once in a while for? On the sports days. I said I'd love to. I'd never been on the radio. I knew nothing about it. And that's how I started writing. I went in and filled in for a couple couple of shows with a guy and then shortly after that broke this whole story about Wayne Gretzky is going to retire. Anyway, I decided I said, well, why don't I get some of the guys on from the from the Oilers, and there was a gag order say their had put out this order that. Nobody's allowed to talk about it. Okay. Nobody no player no-one's to say anything at all give interviews or anything. And I said, well, I knew the back of my head that maybe I could get the guy on you know, and. JR was laughing. I said, well, let me let me lineup few guys. And he said, yeah, good. Good luck with that kid. Good luck with that. Anyway, I went away that evening, and I came back, and he said how how'd you do those interviews, and I said, well Marty McSorley is gonna come on at three fifteen Craig mctavish, you'll be on it courted before. And then the guy Neum the best Kevin Lau's coming on at four thirty and. And it was true day. So he was saying what what how who is fucking guy. How did you do this? And because I phoned Kevin. And he said, yeah, there's a gag. I'll fuck it. We'll do it. Let's jump on there and do it. So that was that was that what I remember most about that retirement was around that time. So and the Gretzky boot lick was born was born job for life job for life after that. So the team back then or always sorry back. Then was really really had. These exclusive interviews not not because of me, but these guys overstep their bounds. And we ended up with these fabulous interviews. I don't know if they're still in the Bank somewhere not. But anyway, that's how I got my job steam now, you know, the rest of the store, let's change gears a little bit here and talk about Steve is now the Detroit Red Wings general manager back to same place. He was where he was the captain for twenty years came at you like that's crazy twenty years. A captain that is a record and NHL record. That's going to stand for a long time. One of the story. Yeah. You have to get started young. If you get twenty years in as a captain. Yeah. I think he was it was weird. Because when I was in Detroit is the captain he was like, I think he's eighteen maybe nineteen but very young. And he had is first season. Brad park was on the team like Brad park whose was still playing at that stage. Brad park taking his cues from an eighteen year old kid. No kidding. Anyway, he's returned to Detroit News the GM now of the wings. I don't know how they do it, man. I don't know how they play. So for as long as they did and play at such a high level that and then he went into management, of course with with Tampa. And he would be he's probably my age. I'm guessing I'm fifty seven. So he's gotta be he's probably born in sixty or sixty one something like that. Or around there. I don't know how why he would do this. I have no idea. But the only thing I can think of Steve because we were talking about it. The other day about coaches who made bad or superstar players who made bad coaches. I don't think is made ever coached Diddy. No right to front office. But we did talk about managers though in hall, and is is absolutely one of the exceptions to the rules. We're talking about an earlier episode. Yeah. And I think some of the reason they do it is that they got so used to the lifestyle. Of being hockey player and being appropriate. And believe me, it's a it's a as we all know, it's a totally different lifestyle right there on the road. They started when they're very young. And through a very, you know, difficult time in a lot of the young married lives that they you know, that they go through and have kids and that the pressure to play and perform and and the and the media hype and all this stuff, but they they get used to get used to long road trips. You know, half the six seven eight months year, they're playing hockey all the time maybe longer, and I think what happens is I've heard stories where a lot of guys when they try and retire that the throws them into a funk throws them into a funk, and they can't they can't seem to fill their day. You know, and I don't I'm not necessarily sure that that's the case with Steve is meant, but it could be it could be when this guy's done most everything that he can in hockey. And was very successful guy in Tampa. Now, he's taking on this gig, Detroit. You know, my knee jerk reactions why why relax, you know? I think there's something to that. And I think that I've learned since my son is twenty three he he he's to stick and just learning about him and the autistic behaviors that he has I see to some degree varying levels of the spectrum of autism on the general public and one of the traits of autism. Is you know, for example, real need for routine and sameness like a slave to it. And I see little traits like in like people who are absolutely normal. And who knows it that may be a trait that a guy like Steve is has that he's a sort of slave to a routine, and he loves like you were talking about the lifestyle going to the rink going to the rink going to the rank and that becomes a part of you after doing it your entire life. It's probably really hard to let go he would. Been probably early forties when he packed it in as as an NHL player. I'm sure for some guys that's a very difficult thing to walk away from everybody talks about the come rodri- in the dressing room for one hundred percent of the players missed that. But sometimes it's more than that. And I think you might be onto something or they hit their wife. I'm sure that's not true in this case. No. But but forget hockey for a second. Right. You hear about it? I'm sure I can tell the story, but you know, the name Hillary, and Hillary cleaners, of course, and his daughter of courses in the in the sports business. God, I'm forgetting so many names Steve this morning. Lisa. Lisa Bruce is her father, and Bruce Hillary was a good friend of our family is a good friend of mine, and he has this dry cleaning business. I don't even know if they still have it. But he was telling me about. Retiring. In fact, the company was trying to force them out. And you know, that he's still coming to work every day long after a normal retirement age, and they finally said you gotta get outta here. Okay. That's that's not any couldn't take it. Steve. He couldn't handle it. In fact, he was telling me that he got sort of in a huge funk, you know, that he wasn't able to go to work every day. So it's sort of a real problem. You know, it's a real problem. I'm not saying Steve is was like, okay. I better do this because I'm going to go out of my mind. But I think it has a lot to do with that guys. Can't can't see anything else. But that lifestyle, you know. So but retirements retirement can be weird on people. It's it's not all gravy. You know, I know I'll be fine. Steve. You've been living like you've been retired since you've been nineteen years old. So while you're walking around with all these wad of cash when your kid going to play pool. So I don't -magine money's been too much of an issue. Steve brought that up. He's mine. He's mine. He's mine took all my money. One last thought in the eyes thing in that the non playoff teams in the Atlantic have been making some serious moves, and we're barely you know, we're not through the first round of the playoffs yet. And so yeah, Joel Quenneville. He's the head coach with the Florida Panthers. The sabers fired their head coach still looking the Redwings hired Steve is, and so I think sends fans right now are kind of looking at their watch right now kinda tapping and going K anytime now. To send said last week that they're gonna take their time deciding on the next head coach, and I guess what will be the equivalent as well of co GM for peer Dory on a new one director of one of the call at hockey operations, something like that. So your sense fan. You're kind of going. Okay, everybody else is starting to move. Maybe it's time we got something done. Yeah. You know, all the talk. Steve it always it always sort of hovers around. You know, the the talk of overpaid players, and coaches and not so much GM's. You don't hear too much about their? I guess they don't have to disclose their salaries, but. Where there's always this chat about you know, here here. It's Lucci in Evanston K signed up on a seven year seven million dollar year dealer six year seven million or something like that. And he got eighteen points this year. Okay. I think at six by six if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, I know what you mean. Right. And then of course, Babcock in Toronto was again, five six millionaires ten million a year for five years or five for a bunch of fifty million dollar deal. Right. I heard today that. Wilson. For the Seahawks. Russell wilson. Yup. Did you sign a thirty five million dollar deal? Oh, yeah. Four years one hundred forty million dollars. And that includes a sixty five million dollars signing bonus one hundred seven million dollars in guarantee. So he is the highest paid player in NFL history. There you go. Russell Wilson signed a giant deal. What's what's trout making baseball? Trout is twelve years four hundred twenty million who's the other clown. Just got traded went from Washington to Philly Bryce Harper. He got fifty three hundred thirty million over thirteen years. So of all guys when you hear a player like Connor mcdavid is making thirteen million a year. It makes me think that any players and coaches are the most underpaid athletes in the world. People might think that's crazy. But hockey players got to be the most underpaid athlete in the world. When I see all these other contracts that these teams are signing. Right. Eighteen TV. Right. Well, I'm just saying all this complaint that we have about overpriced players overprice players overpriced players. And then when you when you hear these massive salaries that these guys are making in baseball, NFL and basketball, and in the NHL, they are way way low on the pay grade, maybe baby maybe baby Steve. And with that we shall call. 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Great Sporting Rivalries
"Okay. I got a question for you. Yeah. I I've been reading Treasure Island. Oh, yeah. Do you think if I go vote together? Yeah. We go hunting for gold and actually find it be honest, where we think we go into the channel and just look gold. Yeah. That's a really good idea getting work. What you get job. John. Okay. Everyone. I'm Jamie laying in this his head in the game. You're central to the big sporting event of the week. It's a challenge to get the low down from varada guests who know more about sports than I apparently do so with this weekend's double whammy of Jews between England Wales in the six nations and Man United and Liverpool in the Premier League. This week's episode is of course, devoted to great sporting rivalries alongside me as a man who's no stranger to survive. He's an action comedian after all, it's Mr. Alex. I hate you. Oh, very clever. I know what you're doing there. That's very funny. Okay. Good. Yeah. I do who was your rival at school, Jerry, Charlie Davies. Oh, yeah. Really why that was a go. I kissed a heat his tires. Well. I like to. Yeah. He had the cool backpack. He had the coup trousers. You know, he even had that pencil case opened up on the side. He didn't have Pence cases Eddie now, we had a quill. Carried a Sach was anyone allowed to kiss on without a former introduction for a parent guardian or some of them, local council sporting rivalries. I explore of course, are, but we offer onto epic events this week and Man United versus Liverpool and wells versus England. That's right now, we're delighted to have with us in the studio ESPN senior sports rights, Tom Hamilton, Tom LA, chops Thome sporting rivalries, come in many forms between countries clubs individuals fans. Would you agree that these great rivalries are one of the main reasons we love sports so much? I think it's one of those things you grew up with you always hood these stories about the traditional rivalries some of that comes from your parents in psalms. Spoiler is not in terms of rivalry between your parents, ROY is on sports and depends on where you grew up. I grew up in bath, the big rivalry there. It was actually rub your Gloucester just on a road. So that was sort of thing which look forward to every single year. And it's there is something to look forward to. Something which happens outside, the sport almost inexplainable. But quite fun. Now, we're gonna talk more about the weekend's biggest showdowns between nights and live born, of course, England as well as the rugby. But I I wanted to ask you the sixty four thousand dollar question. Now, we've run a pool to gauge when our listeners think and more of that coming up, but what do you think is the greatest rivalry in sport to cut to the chase? It's actually really hard question to deal with. So I told Jamie can get this is what I have to put up with every single week. He's like he's like my Mike Grimm. I agree. Visit tough question to start with us. We could split this into different categories teams. Individuals and countries. So let's start with lovers between clubs which robbery Stanzel view are think for me as classical what versus Luton China. Yeah. Not quite one boss line. Real Madrid's peixe heads been thrown at Figo the reasons behind it, the money, the drama messy Renaldo all, but every club has big rivalries. But it's usually like the local Darby also versus Spurs on Newcastle versus Sunland, isn't it? There're still their thing. It's Northland Darby gets very excited about that. The monster is will in the Old Firm Rangers Celtic something still which goes back to this little of medieval things of wanting to be better than the next village next door to your thing. All rivalries as intense when one of those teams is in decline thinking about ranges against Celtic when Rangers weren't in Scottish, primarily being that rivalry had to be put on hold and Scottish football in my opinion, suffered as a result of it. Look awesome. Monday nights, for example, that bulled over nicely back ten years ago with pizza gates and Martin van Nistelrooy, then that was a nice Roveri of Ferguson vendor for the next ten years. That's probably been down this. But now that time law firm, so you just mentioned this of managerial Rory what are the sorts of reasons there for team fans age, some rivalries might be sporting robberies only one hundred years, but in terms of a historical background will go back thousands of years. So India Pakistan is one which is a one of the great sporting Rovers, but that's more perhaps than just cricket this arrivers. Transcend sport the to ice skaters Tonia Harding and Nancy Kerrigan the two of them competing, those skating for America ended up with a think I haven't seen the film ever seen the ESPN thirty thirty on it where one of them ended up sort of people around her ends up caving the other person's knee. What's physically damaging them in a rivalry way? Yes. Absolutely. She wouldn't be doing triple sell co with one hanging off. Also, we cannot forget our lessons. Across the pond big up to our American people out there as we ought to hone in on the great American rivalries. So I'm thinking about Boston Red Sox versus Neil Yankees. They really done very well back to nineteen nineteen when Babe Ruth went to the Yankees. I mean just last year sparked up again in two thousand three hundred seventy two year old bench coach thrown to the ground by one of the Red Sox play it properly of two thousand four was when the Red Sox broke their Babe Ruth curse, which loss of nine thousand nine hundred transfer. So that's been a nice one coming to London. This year really limbic stadium in July now rivalries in boxing. It's been a lot of individual rival reserves. Muhammad Ali against Joe Fraser out of the ring as well. With Ali basing Frazier over his his various views, and then if you look towards the nineties, you bang, Ben Tyson, Holly, forty the blokes ear. I'm now, I suppose great spokesman wherever patio overs. Maybe weirdly, I didn't know why I have this. I still have the newspaper cuttings of Tyson biting Holly fields. Air any reason for no reason have it for some reason. Bizarre. What other countries do you have got one in the drop kick Jonny Wilkinson did it for the World Cup? These two biting air and while Cup Laurie. Do you think some sportsmen genuinely hate each other or taking the case of boxing? It's awesome Schanche last two pounds. Now is the time. I mean, the books ROY is now seems to be more social media based. So if say one box alikes picture of the other boxes, MRs on Instagram, and suddenly all hell breaks loose. So on pokes personal Facebook, if poking still thing, but it seems to be a bit more manufactured, but Emma, may for example, that seems to be actual hate there between John Jones and Daniel corny, but Patrick Vieira, Roy Keane. They weren't exactly best mates whether mutual respect there. I think to them playing the same position they didn't know how to wind each other up. What about missing Renaldo? Do they like each other? They know whether it will plays LAC each other tool at the moment because they seem to be in little bubbles that big jealousy. Overtime. Isn't that the balance rules Messier Onoda will still disappearance objective? He prefers them. And the two of them seem to they never said anything about each other just like sit one-seat away from each other. What about your era missed Alex Borg McEnroe McEnroe was kind of impetuous bratty type of you cannot be serious. I am he was bradtha sort of. And yet today like each other you ball and back Leroux probably not the same as veteran, Adele. But I think the us that ROY motivate them selves as well. So if my corona can get hey being far before a game on the he might turn unlivable now just to Jerry was slightly taking the Mickey out of me there. But another one for my hero was co an overt, and it seemed to me that you would side with over. He was slightly more sort of a maverick kinda person. If you you're into sort of as a classic example into Sebastian Coe, an either being on the wrong side of the tracks with Steve over. Why would I be into Sebastian Coe? Because he was a sort of pure chariots of fire type he was that was. That was a little bit more rough and ready the underdog who don't get running one of the big rivalries for me is both Gatland. I mean, incredibly to amazing sprinters. You're not finished firm in London, of course, at the world championships with Gotland pleasing both hundred meters. And then bolting hamstring in the full by one hundred as well. So that was the perfect tragic end the Hollywood ending to a bowl career, which will make a lovely movie. One day later will be focusing on this weekend's big gains remained United and Liverpool and Wales versus England. Now last week. We asked you to vote for your biggest sporting rivalries, and we had a huge response. I thank you very much for that. So here we go with the top ten sporting rivalries as voted by you voice. Yes. Are you ready? Of course, you the music number ten Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor. The biggest person sporting history between them they made over four hundred million dollars. Now, my nine prostate Senna Formula one speed kings clashed on and off the track. Jack, number eight, welcome juniors and Ridha plate. It's known as the super classic. Oh, a rivalry. So intense it often leads to rioting and attacks on match officials number seven the nineteen eighty Olympics ice hockey showdown between the United States and the Soviet Union. A one of clash that produced a dramatic finish the Americans when the the last second number six, it's the ashes England and Australia. One of the longest rivalries in sports goes all the way back to eighteen eighty two India-Pakistan was just outside the top ten by the way. Number five. One of American sports faces rivalries. The Boston Red Sox fee New York Yankees famous for the curse of the Bambi. No when Babe Ruth was sold to the Yankees, number four, Leonov messy and Cristiano Renaldo the two dominant footballers of the millennium have been competing for the title of best player in the world for over a decade, number three federa- and Dowell possibly the two greatest players all time going toe to toe baldly McEnroe also got a few votes as. They've Chris Evert versus Martina Navratilova number two Celtic v Rangers. This was almost the winner. The Old Firm Darby more than justifiable match and number one lever. His Frazier the boxing trilogy that culminated in the thriller in Minnesota also known as the fight of the century. And that is your top ten sporting rivalries. I can't believe the Ryder Cup didn't make the list. Hey, ho, what about the small print voice? Oh, yes. Thanks, everyone. Feel contributions. Join the conversation on our Facebook page head in the game podcast, terms and conditions apply. Always with label. Sorry. That's something else. I was doing voice right here. So Tom, what did you think is that top ten any glaring omissions laws? No classical my favorite sporting Roveri, which unfortunately, didn't make the cuts Kaas Brogan steep. Blue Jamie line against brought phone as a few in the. Right. Then that's focused on this weekend's big game. Yes. And with us on behalf of the respective teams. We got writer and broadcaster. Neil Atkinson who host one of the most popular Liverpool podcast the Anfield rap which is as including two Wicky has over this, right? Twenty eight million downloads worldwide load, unfor- balanced, we must have caused Manchester United supporters while his Ed Barker from the United rent podcast. Okay. So guys, I'm this is up to kneel. First of all the little Monday night rivalry is unusual because most British clubs biggest rival tends to be from the same city. Why is this the exception rather than the rule? Well, it sort of business salsa, visions, threes Everson, Everton do exist. They are think there's nothing sweeter in the world and spawning a one nil win against where the ball bounces off the crossbar goalkeeper palms on. So let's just bad in mind before we get stuck in here. But United says, this is a rivalry transcends. Football to be quite honest with you can Roussy, right? The way back to the ship canal. If you won't so you can go all the way Boxster nineteenth century industrial revolution. Liverpool-manchester two cities. That have a lot in common to fantastic cities. The two cities of the north of England really stage, but culturally economically, especially Manchester station, that leads to the being a genuine rivalry between the two we want to do each other every possible opportunity on it's fair to say that all the football that masters in England's happens between Liverpool among Chester practically every other chief by every other Clovis boarding on the contract like it will take it seriously the concealed carry about little pool among Chester United much more than a cares about Chelsea Manchester City was the big rivalry before Liverpool's success in the seventies. And eighties yet the rivalry was ongoing throughout that period. That Suchart of the has been, you know, football rivalries, change massively anyway, Mark at least, you know, since the nineteen fifties sixties. Postwar later and so on. But there was a rivalry between Liverpool month just United. You know, they have been the to call clubs of English football. I would argue pro these since since World War Two so that rivalry is dead. And that's the thing there for this. The two cities to live through and understand. And enjoy the best thing about this. I'll say it again is the, you know, the world's eyes will be on Old Trafford for this game physical final the same day. A no one cares. The game that matters much. Just united. I liverpool. Vacs. The game masters. It's the game. I will always matter. That's the that's the thing that the rest of the country struggles with it's why people don't wanna see little pool. Oman United win anything. It's why the minute the people in the confederacy Manchester City win the league the middle. If it was my United up there with Muncie. Instead of those people rather see Manchester City when the league among just United. That's the reality of it. There's two clubs that matter and the two clubs face each other ultra I almost fully agree with everything Neil said, but in terms of the history, and why this fixture matters. And what it means? Manchester United fan. So we're in a weird position of of routing city on the season because no one at all Trafford was little too in this league MS really strange Polly's because we don't take city that seriously. They weren't a particularly big club before have we w came along and gave them millions and millions the magnitude and the seriousness of the rivalry with loophole Israel. So that's why we're hearing city on to this fake share the two biggest features of the season is is what matters to everyone at United States with the clubs is one. We really want in. We're coming to this Fisher in good form for once because he's been pretty miserable over the last couple of seasons. I mean, I I should one last season. But the performances earlier this season under jersey marina and last season to be honest when she started the season. Well and winter and field in part the bus. Have been horrible. Now. We're playing good football. It should be a real game as a Manchester United fan. You're actually saying that if it came down to new force to pick you would pick ma'am city to win the title over Liverpool. Yeah. They not real club. They don't count. Points. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they look city wouldn't be anything in title race without outside money. We know that all the sponsorships are, you know, highly dubious when they come to report their revenue figures. Yeah. No, one takes him particularly seriously loopholes on matters challenge there, of course, because I've city doesn't count and win the league does that make little factor champions in ninety five months. No, definitely not. But it's I mean know we we've talked about on on our part anyway. Yeah. For sure United fans who'd rather city won this league. I mean that's kneeling. Switch it over to you. Now. So other you heard what Ed said are there any circumstances where you would support United playing? Yes. Final final against the United United to win the league not support much of the United States. You know, if United facing Avidan, I mean, most games if you're not nice to play an evidence tomato, probably be quite. I mean, it depends probably quite like evidence to get a fortunate victory of the United. But if side to win six months, just the United States what about Champions League final United final if they would against Everton. Yes, science fiction. Not really, isn't it. Let's be honest for the French knights facing any other football team in the Champions League final. I would almost certainly won't the conflict of an opponent's. I wouldn't want to win. Okay. So how did you react in one thousand nine hundred nine when United defeated by? I was actually devastated by ten events. Fist vestige treble while the fish travel before we did it. It's worth remember not the only reason little to shovel in seventy seven is kitchen is win the Cup. Final little season won the league in the order paying political final Jesse and ISIS. So yeah, it wasn't great. When United what I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that the medical of estan Paul did not raise shared among Chester. This is what it means football's tribal, and it's meant to be about location. It's meant to be about all those things that are messed up and sometimes dockside sides that Ed what about you? What about when Liverpool came back against Milan? In two thousand and five I watched in a bar in London. I would say ninety nine percent of the ball was supposing Liverpool in that one. And I had my head in my hands. So that wasn't a great moment. But you know, I guess I've lost thirty years or so little fans needed the bright spot. Because of course, they haven't won the league in coming up to thirty years and. I'm sure it'd be plenty of people United celebrating the thirtieth anniversary when it comes up in mayo side. Okay. So Ed how about this one? If a Liverpool player scores for England World Cup. Do you celebrate as much as any other place? Going Freeland surprise, I this is an odd one because United fans have a an odd relationship with England. So I think have been a number of incidents over the years where United kind of fell the FA hadn't given United affair shake things. I into Gary Neville and referred an end and a few others. And the fact that you're not is just so much more important to fans than England that context. Yeah. Sure. I mean in the summer, I enjoyed worsening Lynda. Actually, I think that hasn't always been the case in the last twenty years or side and that that's kind of an enjoyable experience and the country are. Along with it. And so I actually remember to my head rather loop of players scored in tournament. I'm sure I would celebrate it. But it's in the context of not really being much of an England fan, generally. And I think quite a lot of United fans feline turning to you nail is really interested about this this rivalry with Everton because I've I've been out there. And of course, it's just across Stanley park. Isn't it the Dr begins? Everybody's known as the friendly Darby. You didn't tell particularly friendly talking about just now that's another unusual phenomenon in football. Why is there less animosity between those two clubs into the pool? There was a period of time with that was the case circumstances have changed a little bit. There's still the the pools are thrives upon solidarity. And I think that that's the case. And I think that little Walton does come together in times of need in crisis, and that's an ongoing thing and this will deflect on around the food banks three to clubs which is looked after by little pool whenever supposes together. I think it's you know, an ankle. Actions made the mole Liverpool Lebo closer situated. So I think that remains true. But the Darby itself Dhabi day itself and goes on around the Merseyside, I don't believe it to be any more or less friendly than for instance, the east Anglian Dhabi, or for instance, the potteries Darby don't think that that's you know, that's any longer the case. And I don't think that you can quite quite stands old anymore. Tons of reasons for that Liverpool is a city will still stunned together. But will do it will still do show in the context of football? But that isn't exactly the same as acting as though we all skip along the road together before the Darby and skipper on along the road together afterwards studies, most definitely not true. Let's go back to the reason why we'll head this weekend's game. Now, there's a lot riding on this. Ed Liverpool have never wanna primarily title. They've had a few chances in recent years. United can't win the league right as a huge opportunity to stop the rivals. Again. It's pretty tasty. Isn't it? Always as always tasty. I guess when jersey was United manager. He did his very very best to not make the games, very tasty. But he's gone now. And we can look forward Nazi not just to the game and the context the title race and yes United card way while about. About maybe we'll win every game from here on in. But it seems still still wouldn't be enough now. But and yes, you can put a dent in loopholes hopes and all matters. But we're actually going to enjoy watching this United team again. And I can't tell you how much how important is the producer ranker's. Tom said today. It's alright talking about goals and passing matrix X g and stuff like that. But the only thing that matters XP expected buzz because people care about the football, again Josie was a dark really dark cloud hanging over United. And it was a joyous occasion Rooney's fired. And we've got we've got a United manager. He was a former player in a hero ninety-nine earlier who's who's immediately turned team around not into not just winning games. But winning by playing really good exciting football. Guess people feet. So you know, there's the context of the title race is the rival relive opponents. We're actually playing good football against all of that matters. Okay. Nail much is being made liberal being bottlers. I've been listening to Klopp recently. And he did have slight with of the old Keegan I would love it. This is a chance to prove the doubters wrong, isn't it? I just absolutely argue with the premise of the question the first place, I think cops attitude towards all of this all the way through the seasons being that it's a sport contest, Stacey games. And you gotta get as many as you come to them. And he's been very consistent on that. The and you know, are genuinely do argue with with the premise shootout. And I don't think this liberal side is anything to prove. I don't the Manchester City side. Anything's approve taught them any approve these three of the best sides that are played primarily football, the Manchester City Cyclope de aside. I was primarily football this every chance they finished the season with a hundred ninety haven't got one hundred ninety points from the seventy six league games average in to ninety five point seasons. That's that's what the probably going to do. The idea that what we're gonna do is. We're going to reduce this title about lens or some notion of I'm Butler's. Oh frauds is frankly, discuss stint on it doesn't speak to that. They ability that these football is shown on the pitch so far this season. So no one's gotten ethan's. Prove not these three sides who right now, we're going to rate of nonsense of number of points. That is being so rarely seen throughout the whole of top-flight English football district on the way back to the nineteenth century. So I think it's important to say that it's important to frame at Liverpool. Don't beat Manchester United, and I think they will by the way. But if they don't it won't be because someone's bottle, they'll something's gone, you know, someone's being proven not to be anywhere near as good as we all he'll be because this is a really good by the United size. They were able to take three points off livable. And I think that's I think that the shooter we get that of language out the schools, not elite sports people to be honest with you, and we show them the requisite respect the deserve. Chickens. Jamie. Yes. Now what about the game itself? Now the last time you wanna Old Trafford was in two thousand fourteen in three no win. Yeah. Stephen Girard school t penalties. You could do the result like that can you? Well, the time before that we want to Old Trafford thousands of nine and we beat them four one on the time before that we want to Old Trafford may not be a wanted to. But we will man as well. The reason I'm touching on those seasons is there are three most recent attempts to tell the title and on the whole one of the reasons why Liverpool beat them in the legal through with an Old Trafford in the league. But we have to go through across the two legs on on. All those occasions Liverpool. I would argue if being better football team the munched United on. That's why I think we'll win this game. Because I think what a better football team, Manchester United's of that was still in dispute around this time last season when we went to Old Trafford, I think that this was a little site that was still finding it's feasible right now it's a liberal site that sits top of the Premier League playing some fantastic store from his demonstrates the coast. Campaign the absolute business. This is a really good money. United seem really go players. But I expect liberals Stangl becomes it's play the football that we know the get the results because that tends to be what happens when Liverpool a better the Manchester United and right now Liverpool on a loss of points. Better the Manchester United's, listen edge. Would you swap a top four place for livable? Not winning the title love. You know? I think it was dry feces in it and the obsession top for Israeli just about money, and I I know the champions ladies, really important, and it's the prestige competition why the clubs care about it is because of the revenues now on no show. We would I think United with swaps winning Europa league couple of seasons ago for place in top for that season toll. So fortunately enough as far as the your overly came with a Champions League place isn't not dilemma to Neal's point. The game. I mean, clearly this is flying the best little side in the last twenty years. Also, I guess. And playing great football. I believe in the nation of bottles their pressure points in adult clubs in across all seasons and foam comes and goes, you say they've had some difficult games in recent times and jobs in points. I think they'll be few surprises in terms of how United place this is a team that's playing from the front the mouth ball recovery's United getting the permanence attacking third is huge is complete change of system. So it's definitely a softened the belly. You know, I am not quite sure he played at the back. But there's vulnerability and manages the problem in defensive midfield. So. I mean the tankers knee wardrobe. Yeah. And he's three years passes is best and as a problem for United. But in the system always decided if I was on the string sushi's folks attacking football for exam. Getting the ball is earliest possible from the opponent and been interesting clash because it's definitely not what Marino is doing. When he was manager. He was gonna marina was still in charge. This game. We'll be setting out in a very low block with with probably five at the back and to covering those and it'd be miserable miserable of win one nail base. There wouldn't be a great game for. Why thing I have got a real hope? This can be really good game football as well. Mark markets. United performance. Where to hey man of the match Potter's thirty minutes of the game where United with the best in those thirty minutes to the goal in the game. And if strung from surprised that shot on the still not a lot of evidence for anyone's coaching staff to go on to gonna sell shies going to do and big games on big occasions. You still got a few question marks around. I think Liverpool might find a little difficult to region is it before kick-off letters suspect. So Shire is analysts could pick nine if not ten if not even eleven little star eleven after the bye, Munich games depends on who's fit. Everybody boys. Right do colors when you get away Dhabi game. Or just you're lucky pans, be honest. I never I never close to the game. It's subjects goodnight's outs. Turn up. They hid. Knowing where colours. Fatness extracts. And have you gonna message to opposite number here? Keep it very clean. Yeah. Good luck. Get like for the rest of the season. Just not too much luck. And I I'm really a positive moods. And being generous. I'm just so looking forward to this game. I I cannot tell you how much of a relief it is to have only in charge and for this to be good team again. And I to be actually played nice football moving me, happier than go and tosa toe-to-toe next with Manchester United when they try to win that twenty first title, and we tried to twenty it's. Lovely nice. Thank you. Thank you. So much nail Atkinson at Balka, boys. Thank you very much. Good luck. Need their stuff Tomita? This is a huge rivalry a huge game. Isn't it? I think so I think based on not nails one. Neil. I think we'll. Tell you rooting for this weekend. All in bar, so reminding fun and makes no sense. So nights. But is there part of you that wants to win because it's livable. There is the best quite romantic, isn't it? Yeah. It's the stories the Hollywood ending the subplots as well, we're gonna social trying to get a fulltime contracts. Live pool haven't won the Premier League, many years the hatred still there, you know, Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville, Easter loved to have a each other to the place where you stand think socia- shortly certainly for me, though, it's going to be really Riddick. Sizing and I think Monday nights just about exit but liberal Mike on win the Premier League. Tom. Thank you very much. If you don't want stay with us. But for now, we're gonna switch bull shape and talk about this weekend's other big game Wales versus England, and with this is jed Colley priest from the attacking scrum podcast and Dan would from the England rugby pot. Hello, boys. Yeah. I have a question for you. Now Jedou I'm assuming you're wearing a Welsh top. So you're an England fan. Why is it such intense rivalry between England Wales? How long have you got put in a side, the cultural rivalry and the political history? Go back hundreds and hundreds of years. There is a fantastic rivalry on the pitch as well. Now, you look back to the seventies. And the great size of the chat. Then I really feel in those days it was a proper way of the Washington express themselves through which three planes. So it's fantastic. Rugby fast forward many years England had lots of lots of dominance. And now we find ourselves in a position where you've got to pretty well match sides over the course of the last ten years. And would you say that's the biggest robbery amongst the home nations. Yeah. I would I guess because because of my family, my upbringing, I would say that. But I'm sure if you asked if you ask discussion, and so in Ireland was, you know, it's you listen to the fear the the the other week, and it's very hard to argue with that as well. But from my point of view Stanley, and what does it mean to be England? It is everything. And there's a bit of a thing in Wales that people talk about getting away from the mentality of long as we beat the English which was very prominent here in the nineties when we had a pretty poor side. But for me, particularly living in London is just a gut wrenching time for me the week before the game art struggle to enjoy it. I just. Yeah. It is. It's the one fixture a fan of sports. But it's the one thing that my stomach turns. And I feel absolutely sick until the final whistle guys and win sticks with like some hideous hangover switch the question of what does it feel like to beat Wales? Beat while. I love Welsh PayPal. I love the country while football. I wanna see. Wiles win if wildfire against anyone I want to see them lighted to me. They England's biggest game. I want to be Lyles moving. I wanna be any other country. Unlike jet, I kind of get what you mean. I love that week love I really embraced. I really look forward to it probably on the plane. So I don't have to deal with that side of that. But I I love a build up just for ferocity of it this year screaming, I think England absolutely dominant in Cardiff. They're just so good right now, I've got I've got massive respect for the team for that coaches. But I can live. Linda moment, she knew I love them. I love driving in that pulling my car opened up the baton and having a picnic called Navarre my favorite pin. This. That Roy Jones when they're representing the English plays in Welsh pleasure represents the lion's cheer them. All not yet completely different. One hundred percent hundred percent below inside country from the poverty lines supporting them later. And that's a great thing about rugby. Right. Is that? Yes, there's this huge rivalry whether it's England whatever it is. But you still have respect you still have that kind of admirations towards plans when they play together, you still sort of support them and like them if the plane for lunch, which I really like let me go to you. What is your favorite win ever over wells? It has thousand three quarterfinal bag when why have started SARS strong like Wales not much of a team then in Venice. But they started so strong in. It's like man what's going on. Like could we lose this with so good? And then the boys came back Johnny took it in his hands drop-goal just slightly when I think Robinson carved apar- for Greenwood's to score that one. Was that was a men's and at the time. I didn't understand how bad it was. It's not till you hear the injuries afterwards. Every English guys were saying hard time. They like this could be the worse scenario go out to wiles when with favors win the World Cup and search your jet. What about you? What is your favorite wins over England? It'd be between two rarely. So Scott Gibbs going the last minute Wembley nine thousand nine hundred nine to deny the grand slam that felt very good. But I think it's been taken by the winning Cardiff in two thousand thirteen England coming into into time with the opportunity to to win a slam Wales. Then not only ninety to deny them that. But giving them a pretty good hammering and taking the title as well say that that one's definitely say. What is it about Wales that makes England won't beat them so bad done? What is it? It's love. Hey, lie down by any means hates the Welsh lie. I love the Welsh sounds like you hate the world. I hate awhile truck. Sort of inbuilt like I say if watch football or any of spore all support them as long as planning land. But when it comes to rugby, I think it's just because I night. So I do podcast. My best made every time England play regardless of replying. We will get Welsh people messed in telling us how rubbish England I'm not made. We just took the friendship you any just beat the Italians. What are you doing just focus on yourselves, and they just are intense? It's good rivalry. It's like in right way. I think jet what about you? What makes what makes the English where he would have beat them? So bad. I guess my hatred of English point teams extends to football as well. That whole is coming home nonsense. The whole summer was driving me mad. It didn't even make any sense. But I think it's only these things that kind of feel that just feel that desire, and you wanna see wanna see them kind of get done over. Yeah. For me. It is anyone, but the English whoever they're playing so in that case, there are no circumstances of thinking about you. In which you would to England no other team which you would back England. Again, England were playing a Saddam Hussein selects tation fifty. Guys. I would still have to the garden, right? You're the opposite. Right. Because you. Oh team. I would support the Welsh again it really. Yeah. I've massively respect the players, and I've got enough like some of the players brilliant. I love watching play but against the stem Hussein fifteen give me some combatants and give me a Tashin guys. Got the g that jet is brought up to be. Gonna play rugby. Yeah. Can I ask you is? It mentioned football just then and you hate to coming home business or jingoism. Is it more gentlemanly rivalry in Rugby Football? A hundred percent. I think I went to twenty fifteen I went to England at Twickenham for the World Cup where England and Wales. One we were sitting next to some Welsh guys we had a couple of beds afterwards surprise, your Bantu and a not stung that. Stunks lose out. Hire me up. I think it's done in the right way. Like, I passionately won the Welsh to lose. But I also passionately to have a bear. But also, that's the other big thing. Right. You rarely see fights rugby. Don't you because it same kind of like boxing because everyone's knocking seven bells themselves in the pitch that whenever the new audience. They didn't really fight do. They know. I I've never seen any problems arabica as Jedi like a fight. Knuckleduster in the crowd. I am an it's worry. Lied math. And shall shouts? I done identity. It's always kind of in the moment. I'd like to think that the language into blue. I was I was a rugby match wants Africa. And it was so Africa says I think it was tri-nations game in New Zealand, everyone shouting all these things players, and then one guy stood up and shouted something to the referee about his mum and everyone offering. He's a classic run become examples of self place. Boundary game has got the best songs. I mean, his swing low. This the only one the English one England has icon saver bus going the other way. Oh. Our? I feel like the. Yeah. That's the only problem. I think that we're not going to Twickenham, and I listened to the chance it's very much swing low. And that's it. But I feel like the Welsh have more songs, Geno. Yeah, potentially. I think the problem is is it has been getting big Wasser evening now, and again identifies time to the pricing and traditional rugby founding price Diabate, it's definitely bit quite a six nations on his different. I think it is different for that. But you look at the games in the autumn. And there's not the singing there. Once was not obsessed me that is really sad. I mean, that's what wells is unbelievable. The post Trump beaten. Okay. It's now set up for the big decider pretty much, isn't it? This is this is this is what it's going to be wells in England. Whoever winter is gonna win the whole thing. Do you think I think definitely? Yeah. What about you? Yeah. I think witness they've they've got relatively speaking series games to to finish. If England be Wales they will not the slime if Wales win I think will win the title, but not necessarily the grand slam. He's still got on and Arlanda Highland Scotland away. So I'm not quite as bullish about it. But right now, all I can think of is England game or NFL's a betting, man. Okay. Dime. Mortar school can be done. I dunno diving England by twelve or more really England applying silo at the moment while contain of good players, but they've been poor. I jet unshowable disagree. But but I hope against FRANZ was lychee schoolboy stuff against Italy. They just weren't precise. If they do that against England will absolutely punish them England, applying some really good rugby, man. I'm of course, going to say that. But I think it reflects in results and jed you just lost quickly. Whereas nineteen England something thank you so much for coming in a good luck this weekend to fight on the way out. Right. Appreciate it voice. Thank you very much. Thanks. Tom. What are your thoughts on the clash? Well, those two go rather world low packet seventies. Phil Bennett, Premark speech. He hollowed to all the things that in his own words England dunks the world with a few more explosives, including the fact that English people by holiday homes in wells and only lived there for two weeks. So it got quite heated in that regard wells. We're gonna win. This was a golden era in the late nineties early thousands. It was more fiber wells were party poopers because they're team was inferior to England's there. But now that to really evenly matched teams. But some ROY Warren Gotland bought Eddie Jones, a courage just before the six nations tournament up from lowest Butler read. So I think between them to the ROY is not really they're the players on the lines every four years, again, the rivalries perhaps been list bit looted the on the pitch. Eddie Jones team fired up gotten is going gonna get his team fired up. Expect few yellow cards expect called Sinclar to continue chopping awareness. Crumlin he has been doing an fun. Tell them how. Thank you so much for coming in today. Make really appreciate it. Thanks. So here's where we get to exercise all rivalry again. It's time for the weekly quiz. Yes. It's their head and they game quiz, ready, boys. Route one true of os first question to Alex truffles when the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to California in nineteen fifty seven owner, Walter O'Malley convinced the New York Giants to do the same in order to continue their rivalry. Definitely true. You're right. The teams became the LA dodgers and the San Francisco giant. Thank you, Jamie. Gophers Arnold Palmer, and Jack Nicklaus's rivalry was so intense that caddies once had a food fight at an after game Buffy, easy, folks. Correct. One apiece. Alex the banjo bowl an annual CFL grudge match between bitter rivals. The Winnipeg blue bombers and the Saskatoon on rough riders started. Because Troy Westwood of the bombers call the rough riders banjo picking Enbridge in two thousand three definitely true Kerr. Correct. Jamie bubble match was the term coined to describe the friendly atmosphere at liver bulletin Everton Darby's force, it's false term coined by the police to Sean troublesome away fans around the country around to genuine Dhabi or fake -ment of my imagination. Alex, tricky switches f c versus Monte tiger. Absolutely false. That's right. It's a fake -ment. Jamie. A Sentate a taco versus King Faisal babes. It's going to be false. No, it's true. It's a new job in Ghana. Alex eastern lions vs. Mighty blackpool. It's true. It's a big job in Sierra Leone, Jamie turf. Blasters Goldstar is Chuck me fly with fake -ment of your imagination days of my imagination. But I pay to see that game in my backyard round three final round multiple choice, Alex in their professional bouts. How many rounds Alleyen Frazier fight in the ring a hundred and forty four B forty-one see twelve easy twelve it's forty one. Okay. Jamie questioned to step cone Stevo bed only race each other six times when they first met in the nineteen seventy eight European championships eight hundred meter final who took the glory. Hey, Sep code the Stevo vet see all if buyer all it's going to be a subco- know what it was other a total unknown causing over to say Toco after the race. Was that Alex is third question at the hydrogen Cold War. Bobby Fisher from the United States took on the USSR's Boris basket. Chess Bobby came from a country of thirty five thousand chess players, how many people play chess across the Soviet Union at the time eight forty thousand be four hundred thousand C four million four million. That is correct. Final question, Jamie. It's all on this. Oh, come on come on Snooka as his Ronnie O'Sullivan and Mark Selby produced some classic hunter's, but was rookie nickname. His never say die rivaled the Selva be the torture. See the grinder all see the grinder. It's torture. Congratulations. Thank you voice. Your friends? So that's all we have time for this week drivers for an episode, but roof friends now hosts we are one ever, please. Subscribe and review if you haven't done ready and join us next week as we get putting up again for the NFL combine until then keep that head of yours. Italy gay ESPN in the game. Good. Wasn't it this these what's your real name? Not station. I'm not when we're doing the show. What's your your real name? So real life, Jamie lane. So this this persona. You do hear that? That's the real year you joking. We you all Shuli.
159 - HAT TRICK FOR PAGEAU, DON CHERRY WANTED TO APOLOGIZE, WE GIVE HERNIA ADVICE TO SIDNEY CROSBY
"Welcome to the show coming up today. Jag Pasha keeps. Rolling is essential win in New Jersey. Don Cherry apparently wants to apologize this Saturday Saturday night. But they won't let him Sidney Crosby as a hernia has to decide what to do with it surgery or keep playing through it. Jim and I both had hernias in in the past so we give our expert advice. This is episode one fifty nine of the project. It is sports and whatever Steve Worn Law with. Gm Jerome were assisted on the play by Jim K.. A four RB computing Popeye supplements and all Insurance Ontario. Our website Steve W PROJECT DOT com. Have you have any questions about anything. All the the answers are there. So thank you for being with us and enjoy the show. Come a long way. You've come a long long ways. DV You really have stepping into the dark side is beautiful it's beautiful. I don't know that I tread as heavily as you do in that kind of Dabble Apple. I get in the shallow in stick my foot in once in a while check. That's all good. It's all good. I'm I'm Tara. I'm already tired of the of Don Cherry but there was one thing that's happened in the last twenty four hours that kind of grabbed my attention and and that's the fact that Don Cherry seems to have changed his tune a little like when this first thing broke and we heard about the firing immediately it really sounded for all the world like like there was discussion. That occurred and on Cherry was kind of being really dig in his heels in and saying. I'm not going to apologize for what I said. I stand standby it he. He's gone on this media tour over the last day and a half including the Fox News with Tucker Carlson which was a little odd what I thought. He was making the rounds every year. He's clearly saying yes to everybody who asks for an interview and now he's saying that he would apologize. He'd be willing willing to apologize this Saturday. But sports nets not giving him that chance. And that's our RB computing web poll. Today James Does that affect how you feel about his termination nations and if so how they probably doesn't for you because you were already on the side of Don Cherry well I am There's there's a lesson here to be learned right and I went through it myself. One is when he said what he did. Of course we all know the fallout that okay and then I think he reacted too quickly too quickly about it in terms of what. He's trying find to do now. I think he should have waited so what happened was he gets fired. Apparently according to these other interviews that he's done now is he went in said he will apologize. They wanted more. According to Don Cherry. Didn't say exactly what they wanted more and he said at that point said No. I'm not doing more than that. And they said okay. You're fired so immediately after that. He said I'm not I'm not. I'm not changing what I wanted to say. I'm not changing. I WANNA apologize to apologize so I think that was too quick of a reaction because I agree he ends up now thinking about it going. Well fuck okay. All apologize is but I do. You know someone says when you look at and say okay now. Why is he saying that? Now when he was a guy said I'm not changing my words I stand by what I say Blah Blah Blah and. Now he's saying I wish I would have said something different so I asked myself Wisey doing that right now. And there's there's two reasons the people are GonNa think of whether I have two reasons one is he's he's caving in to the station that he saying okay. I want my job back and then I'm going to have to make an apology. And now he's even said. I'm prepared to go on TV on Saturday again and do it so that would be one reason that would drop the bar a little bit about my opinion Don Cherry only slightly because then it's all about the Dole and it's all about the GIG and the money he's eighty five years old the other reason he may be doing it. Now Steve is totally genuine totally genuine. And I think that's probably more of the reason that Don Cherry's now saying you know what I shouldn't have said that I shouldn't have said it. Forget my job and all that I want to apologize. And that's what he's saying now and that's what I tend to think he's doing. He's coming from a place of grace. You know to to make up for what he said he regrets. That's what he said and now I want to apologize. There's no way he can get his job back. I don't think no I think I think that ship has sailed and also think that part of this is as we as we talked about in our last episode You know Rogers is in a place where they've been purging. They've been getting ready to rid a big salaries. We've talked about Bob McCowan and Doug Maclean and John Shannon and the US and Don Cherry I think gets kinda rolled up in that and this gave them a convenient went out. And I've not heard Don Cherry actually physically of haven't seen it on video or radio or whatever I haven't seen Don Cherry say do that whole tough-guy routine of like I'm never going to apologize. I stand by what I said. I've only seen that secondhand second information in reports what I have seen over the last a couple of days or day and a half is Don Cherry on video again and again and again saying he would be willing to apologize. And as I've been saying for the last two episodes that that matters in terms of I feel like he said something wrong on Saturday night absolutely however I've said all along that I'm willing to you know give the guy a second chance and show some forgiveness for what's a tough dealing. It's a tough deal for anybody to be on live television in front of millions and not everybody's on their game all the time and you're eighty five year old man by the way who's never really had a great command of the English language anyway and by the way if you you watch over the last few days of seen video after video that people would come up with with John Don Cherry talking about this or that and saying you people like ten times in the context of the segment. He says you people about every walk of life not just immigrants not like he talks about the soldiers soldiers. You people are the best people ever for protecting our country keeping US safe so it does matter to me that he's looking to apologize at this stage of the game. It's a flip flop. Maybe that softens things a little for me but I would not fire him entirely because of this if he's willing to apologize. Yeah the the only thing Steve is when I look at the original version okay. Well there's only one version but when I when I look at that clip that he did with ron where dawn is slightly. NOT COMING CLEAN WITH IN MY mind. Is I for sure. Believe I believe that when he said you people that he meant immigrants okay. There's no doubt in my mind. That's what he meant when he when he brought that up. What do you think first of all I do think that I don't think okay reasonable? I think he'd say that now. Yeah so but he's not saying that now he sort of skirting around it. You know they're saying when you said that. What did you mean? And he says well I meant everybody and I'm saying hang on. I don't think you did. I don't think he did now. I stand and by that. I don't think what he said was wrong meaning immigrants. I just don't have a problem with that. I don't you know people say well. He singled us out. I don't WanNa go through all that stuff we said on previous shows I just. That's an overreaction by immigrants and everybody else way if they think that you know this is some sort of heinous deal deal that Don said again I don't I don't I just think he should have said yes. I did mean immigrants and if I had to change it I would have said everybody and everybody I mean immigrants and everybody else in of course. Yeah so that's the only sort of little snag in this thing for me is. I've seen him interviewed now by Tucker Carlson right who whose an iconic political commentator well. It's amazing how hated he is though so many people are saying you know kind of on the fence about this thing but any benefit of the doubt that had for this guy went out the window when he went tucker. Carlson Don Cherry. What do that anyway anyway? He wouldn't even know who he's talking to. He was doing every interview. It seemed that was asked to do. Yeah and I think that's genuine. I really do. I think it's a genuine thing from dawn that he I don't think he's trying to save face. I think he's trying to apologize. I really do I really do. That's what I think he's doing. Got Don Jerry got lots of money. He's got eighty plus years old again so it's not like he's petrified petrified here and full of fear that what am I going to do the rest of my life so I do I just I just think that little hook there. That's still in there that you should have said yes. I did mean immigrants and I was wrong to single them out and I should say everybody. Yeah I agree but I think it's implied because he says you know if I had it to do over again I would say everyone and I think it's implied that he when he said you people I'd like to hear him say it too but I think it's kind of implied in there so I'm I'm not really holding him to the fire but that one And I'm certainly not against the idea of you know they move on from Don Cherry just based on body of work. But if you're asking me should the guy be removed entirely because of what happened on Saturday night and that's certainly the way sports net is framing. It I don't think it's what he said. Ed is a bad enough to lose your GIG over. It was wrong what he said and hurtful I thought. But it's something I believe that if you show enough contrition you step up. Yeah go on on Saturday night and really sincerely apologize then. I think that that's enough for me. I'm again but I've been saying the last two episodes I'm not Torches and pitch for guy. I believe in second chances. I think there's lots of reasons for Don Cherry to not be On TV anymore but that was not bad enough exclusively to take them out. Yeah the other one who reacted too much too quickly and my mind is sports net right. That's the way it works for. You get confused deavere. I should've paused and I borrow this. Yes ideally from from Russ currently talked about Colin Kaepernick who knelt during the anthem. About Black. Lives you know the protesting and get them and police brutality and all that stuff sure and they could have and I think sports and that could have done the same thing as sat back and said okay look at how. How can we turn this into a positive? How can we? How can we take this now? Sit Down with dawn. talked him and say look. We don't WanNA fiery don over this thing. Okay we don't we we there's different opinions of it but but how can we make this thing gotta recognize it okay. We can't we can't not talk about it and just have you go back on air. Because of the outpouring of response from people so May- maybe they could have said look you're going to go on an apologize and yet and yet we're GONNA make a segment out of it. We're going to do something that you're GonNa start a you know Don Cherry. I don't know some sort of some sort of charitable thing about it. We're going to because people are recognizing it there's tons of people tuning in tons of people commenting and I think. I think they could have had a better opportunity to turn it into something. As opposed to forty eight hours later. You got people running around going. You know what what do we do now Liam Liam required in his blog there. The other day wrote the there's there's people signing a petition about this with very significant numbers IOS about twenty people gathered outside Rogers headquarters this afternoon as we record this Peaceful protests but certainly Obviously Critical Nicol of what sports net is down here. Yeah so anyway that it's too bad they could. They could have done something like that and I bet Don Don would have been okay with it. Deng would have been okay. Say Look at. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA sit on this for we've only got so little time because people crucify stations. If they don't react to something right away they are like. Why don't indirect? Why did they say something right away in a perfect world? What I'd like to happen would be four this apology to be accepted Sincere apology you know. You can't go on there and and kind of fake that thing and And that they continue and then this gives them a chance to go out on better terms than this. It was just such a remarkable career. There were a few words here and there It would have been nice to see the guy. Go out the way Bob Cole did and Don Cherry. I feel badly that it didn't go down the same way for him. I mean it was He was the king of Saturday night. And I just feel like It would have been nice to go back two years to just do it. Two years ago have a big farewell. Wrap it up with Bob Cole. And that would have been cool. I'm disappointed that it happened. This way. The other thing Steve before he leaves the topic. Is I really of this opinion. All the time when people start to accuse people of in this phobia and racism and singling people divisive comments. All that stuff is what was don's intention what what are people's intention when they make comments and I had someone emailed me today. Who heard that? Who's WHO's heard me say that? And they're they're black living in America and they agreed with it they said you know you've changed my attitude. I'm not bragging here. You know you've changed my attitude about it. I totally totally agree with what you're saying because I have. I have sort of crucified people for saying stuff but if you look at the intention of things then you might look at this and a whole different round. Because I don't think don had any ill intentions towards anybody. Well that's the question that you always ask in these situations and do oh you let it color exactly how you feel about the person one hundred percent that he. Let's say you even if you did buy that there was no ill intention there. Okay now. That's the entirety. The some of what he is and people are more diverse than that. And Listen Steve to be honest. If you're out of hockey game okay. And and the anthem is playing at a game and perhaps there were group of new Canadians there. Okay they've done this actually in the past where the highlight people who've come to Canada and they said they got experience a hockey game if you're coming over or coming coming from wherever Mexico or or any foreign country and and you're now new Canadian here an immigrant and if there were eight or nine of them there Steve and and they sat during the anthem right and he'd be going. What what what is going on here right and in your really? If you're honest you would say. Hey if you're an immigrant you gotta stand during the anthem. That's a tradition here right. Yeah that's fair. Sold that but I would I would take. Can I take the the metaphor a little further Shirt I would say I would say that. Okay if you've got that scenario now you you put them in with you know. Let's say a hundred other people from various walks of life and the only people you give shit to are the people you're talking about and you're saying you people and ignoring all the people around them now. I think you have an accurate metaphor for what Don Cherry on Saturday night. Ah But really steve that some of that stuff is going to happen. Some of those like. I think we're talking yesterday if you went to the Middle East Steve and you know as a as a Canadian and there are certain things that happen that that people follow. Follow that you wouldn't know about or say you don't and one of them is. I think midday praying that they do and and if he didn't do it someone would probably tune Yup so I'm bobby say listen if you're coming to our country which you are and you're new Dubai or or to wherever this is what you gotTa do you know. So that's my take on that. So the question was Don Cherry. Says says he actually would be willing to apologize this coming Saturday but he wasn't being. He isn't being given the chance. Does that affect how you feel about his termination and if so how Carson writes nope. He was given a massive platform reaching a large diverse audience of all ages. His behavior has been excused for far too long. A lot of people have that take for sure that he said some things in the past that bothered people quite a lot but you know as things evolve and we get More sensitive and in a good way and kinder and more inclusive than What played for interesting commentary? Twenty years ago obviously easily can be perceived now as being well potentially racist discriminatory stereotyping JP forge rights. It's twenty nineteen if the man really wants to apologize he'll have plenty of platforms to do so. We didn't play the clip by the way Here's a clip. DID WITH CITY TV courtesy courtesy of CT CITY TV. Where basically outlines? I exactly how he'd like to move forward on this thing. Jewish you use different words. Yes I wish I had said everybody but the nothing you can do about it. I didn't use it and you can't go back. Can't say wish. I wish I had done this. I wish I had done that. I did it and I pay the price. Were you asked to apologize. Yeah you know I. I think that's Saturday. I would've apologized if I if I had to hurt people and stuff like I think I would. I would have I would but it wasn't enough okay so that's courtesy of city. TV Valerie right. Sounds like his agent actually helped soften his message. His comments to Wormington were clearly unapologetic. There were quotes in that particular thing but I didn't actually hear him say at the way I'm in these latest videos and lastly Ellie rights are alive. I'm not sure he hasn't been a good hockey analyst for ten years. He should have been gone long before this incident. Thanks to everybody everybody for your comments so of all people who would be the barometer to weigh in on this thing but don't share getting far in my mind would be Dave Hodge who got fired for flippant a pencil. Throwing it up in the air in disgust that they had to cut away from a game. So Dave Hodge. I would figure I want to hear what he he has to say because he probably wants to Lynch any network right for firing Don Cherry. Do that that'd be my guess. You know if you said how. How do you think Dave Hodge? You'RE GONNA reactively. Here's what Dave Hodge to say about it. Howie meeker was hockey night in Canada's most popular and most colorful commentator until Don Cherry arrived arrived how he was never bigger than the show itself never tried to be bigger? Wouldn't have been allowed to be bigger the opposite applied to Don Cherry so surprising comments from Dave Hodge right and a different angle and a different angle. Right he's he's not looking at the picture here of uh of his comments about the popular thing. He's talking about the big picture so he's never been a big fan of of someone being bigger than the network so calls them out here for sure. Tough deal I mean when when somebody gets into a embroiled in a scandal like this. It's amazing how people you thought would have of your back. Suddenly you're going in the other direction and I mean I Dave Hodges speaking from the heart there and and believe what he writes. But you know you look at Ron Maclean. For example apple is you know you can tell. Don Cherry's pretty disappointed. He said he's said as much. I played that clip there but in other clips he actually said he buried. Read me. Yeah he's I heard him say today in one of the fifty-two million clips that I thought Ron would have said something. They said easy now easy. You know almost like looking for him to save himself from himself right so like I said if I said something so moronic widen Ron MacLean Chime in and soften it and save me from myself that I guess there's some expectation because Ron Maclean has done that in the past but you you can't you can't put it on him. Your comments are your comments the other thing. So who watch here Steve. Sports net and who are partners Rogers and sport that's Schwarzenegger Sports Net and CBC together in terms of their hockey broadcasting. Okay who sports Roger's own sports net but then again this the sports net and CBC. They share Saturday night. Tuck so TSN. Is the competitor correct bell by the way bell media media. Let go rob snow a good pal of ours from CFO a this afternoon drake drop. There's only so many arenas excuse the Pun for Don Cherry to work. Any may wake up this morning. Jesus I want to keep doing this. You know some people can't quit work Steve They can't you just can't see their way out there. Like I gotta ought to do this right and on May wake up going. Yeah Yeah Okay on paper this looks like a very innocuous thing about my life because I'm eighty five but he may want to keep doing wake up and go fuck. Where can I go now to do something? This whole thing that they're saying Russian television is looking at Dr Art Cherry. I'm like wow. That'll go well not because he's not because he's been outspoken about Swedes and European player. Just doesn't speak the language that might be tough. He didn't speak English for you ever think. TSN would look at that. Steve and pick them up anything's possible. You know what I bet you they do there you go. Wow you heard it here first. But it'll have to be on their terms. I think it'll be a case of TSN ESN brings him on at a bargain basement price and dawn. Who doesn't need the money and he's eighty five? I think will grab it. He'll come in for a song long because they want to spend a ton on this guy but he'll wanna do it so that he can go out on his own terms that it'll be it'll be a while because TSN will wanna let the smoke clear from this thing and everything calm down. So that's how I think it plays out as you know Steve me with many many others a huge fan of snooker and your snooker right now. Who's putting that on? And how soon till they're going bankrupt. Well the Irish open is on Steve and my my is that a major. It's a major. It's a major aren't open in my idol. Is The rocket Ronnie Ronnie O'Sullivan Sullivan Most Successful Guy. Ever the Tiger Woods Snooker I boy and so I get it I watch it on. Youtube gets delayed about six hours before you can watch it so it it just makes my day sneak anyway. One is one of the second round match. Steve Zone of the third round the web brought you rb computing storms and power outages can wreak havoc computers and electronics call rb computing today and they'll make sure you're protected and for a limited time twenty percent off on all services if if you walk in there and say hey I heard the Evans Steve Worn project twenty percent off rb computing dot com one six menton place in bells scores Suite. Two three five Steve. You've done it again James. You've done it again and J g pies IOS done it again by the way tall again. Well that is courtesy of sports net Dave Randolph. With a call of the sense for to win in New Jersey and the J.. GPO hat trick and the question needs to be asked what what has gotten into Pasha this season. The guys eleven goals in eighteen games. He's on a fifty goal. Pace leads the sense in scoring. But what I don't get here's what I don't get with each Pashto accomplishment. It's not wow man this. He's really taking this veteran leadership thing he's really thriving with good linemates man. What a good player here to have? No no no it's instead Let's trade this guy. Let's get rid of this guy. The deadline what for picks and prospects how many picks and prospects aspect can you accumulate. Eve already got. Let's see here. You got to think about it all these first rounders who've played twenty games or less in the NHL. Logan Brown. Eric Brannstrom Josh Norris lassie. Tomson Jacob Bernard Docker in those are all first grounders from recent trash who've not play twenty games in the NHL yet. Then you throw in some drake bath Thurston get abromov formative Yaro slash and of course you get to more first rounders coming next summer so WANNA pile in a couple more. What a first? And something else for partial I i. You're already having a hard hard time. Getting the guys in Belleville the big minutes that they're looking for you're seeing you know guys that are getting healthy scratch to who are legitimate guys on the sends radar I don't want Jj Pasha with my number one center. At least I don't think honestly who knows what he's going to be He's already done something. Think through eighteen games that no one thought he became -able of but you can't win with kids alone and what's wrong with keeping a guy round who's having a breakout year whose home. I'm grown in every way. He plays well no matter what you need him to do. Those guys can help you win. Stanley Cup someday drafts and prospects just lottery tickets. It's all right. Let's get your Swat heads up presented by all Insurance Ontario. Your forecast for Thursday November fourteenth flurries throughout the course of the day high of minus in his one your sports scheduled for November fourteenth the NFL. Thursday night. or The steelers are in Cleveland. 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GonNa Ban Na Baby Donna grabs and you live for mottos always been limits right right wait until the cold way commander skip ahead here in take I apologize is really hard to think properly when the music is so awesome like that so our trivia question once again how do you do. I'm looking for six guys who played for the Ottawa Senators and the GATT no or Holland. Picks J. J. Panzer comes straight to mind because he's playing so great fatality Abramov. These fairly new with ascend's obviously my Kaufman who is now with panthers and the three that might have given you a little more trouble. Alex Ham Ski Cup of Coffee Going Back to the expansion year. I think he was their leading goal. Scorer I WANNA say slider show Sylvette Sergio and also the cup of coffee. They mostly with the Montreal Canadians. Ben Wa Bruni closed out his career also with a cup of coffee with the Ottawa Senators. So so there are your answers and the Trivia brought to you by silk web solutions if you need a website website and maintenance or help with your online presence visit Silk Web Solutions Solutions dot com or call or text. Six one three eight five nine four thousand spin your web with silk. So what do you think about Sidney. Crosby he's the guy that has been pretty healthy character of late. He's got a nice little run going as far as being healthy after it had those concussions and the like But but now he's got. He's got a a hernia going and now he is a decision to make because this is a situation where he could continue to power through. I guess he's been dealing with the hernia since training camp. He refused surgery. They'll last month because that's all these injuries you had Of course I the biggest Yevgeny Malkin yet. Christly Tang Alex Chen. Yuck y'All said Patrick Horn quiz to WHO's been out? Alas little bit here so he's decided I guess to power through but now he's missing hockey games because of it and he's got to decide now whether he wants to have that surgery or or keep trying to power our through and if he is going to have the surgeries gone for up to six weeks with the thing and to me. It's a no brainer. Get the get the surgery done right. I guess well you gotta get it only gets worse man. It's not going to go away right. It's it's a progressive. The thing Ben. I've heard people say. Try and Rehab. It you don't Rehab a hole in your growing or wherever it is it's ridiculous. Yeah I've got A. I've got a sort of an embarrassing story. Steve About Hernia. Oh do I want to hear. Let me pause for them. Yeah Yeah I'm GonNa tell it something. Gross your body did it has to do a sex a hernia from sex. Yeah Yeah yeah well not from it. But it's how I discovered that I had a hernia. Oh so I guess I'm into deep right now. Steve not to carry on is into deep part of the story. Well it is it is let can we. We break away and have like a break into discussion groups as to whether we should actually continue with this story right now. What happens Steve is I thought? Wait Steve Your testicles can go up into your stomach for a couple. The different reasons that's never happened to me. Actually what you know when they go up on your swimming or something they if it's cold shrivel up but also your your your boys will will move in towards the heat. Steve which is up into your body. That's come on. You don't remember that I've definitely heard that happening doesn't happen to do you. It does not happen to me. No I know it's common. I do know it's common right soap CERTA. So I'm in the act. Steve you've one time and I've Gone God I keep crushing my testicle here up in my stomach. Are you alone in this. No I'm not alone. Awesome okay good. I'm glad you're crushing yourself. And I'M GONNA I keep hammering testicle here okay for years for years. I'd have to stop doing what I was doing which was rare but did it. Just I thought it was like hammering. Oh my God I I jump up and down Steve to try and get it to drop right and everything never seemed to work. Stephen was a hernia. Wasn't you testicle at all. No it was a big bump a big a big. A big big aneurysm. Like on my. It's actually your guts coming up the whole there's what it is then it's a gut coming out of the whole. Yeah that's part of your intestine coming out. I mean the poor girl was like well. What are you doing jumping up and down right now? Now you freak be crying in my God testicles up got get it. I could become something of a masochist under those circumstances because it's kind of a mixed blessing what's going on there. Yeah AH YEAH SO ANYWAY I. I don't know what happened. I went. I went I I play golf for the guys surgeon. You call him a hernia surgeon right. Yes I don't know what their went to see. I've just talking to the guy on the range and he was sort of backing away my balls I feel like when I was six. My balls are almost like you WanNa just make appointment. We don't need to discuss this on the range with with people on each matt had operated on Stevie so well that if Sidney Crosby uh what you had these definitely getting done asap not going to and we're not talking hockey anymore. We I mean. That's that's crazy now. I had it to him. There's no way you can rehab this kind of thing Basically it only gets worse anytime because I played for a long time with mine it just got worse and worse though over the coming days and weeks and you just not the same hockey player after that any any level of exertion it's like it kills And so I think this is a case of even. If you're Sidney Crosby who I still think it's the best. NHL Player there is. That's a guy that it is great in part because he's playing the game you know these are pros. They're making big money they're famous. It's serious business. It's hard work to pain in the ASS sometimes uh-huh but you're only going to be good at it if you're playing and there's no play level has nothing fun about it. You're if you're playing the game in that state you ain't having in any fun and that's GonNa Affect your overall game. Yeah you know what though I got I got a backup one I said because I was saying well you gotta get done right away. That's not true when I saw the guy and he he diagnoses. Yeah you've got a hernia and I said it doesn't bother me. It does during Coitus Steve. And that's that's the thing but so and it just wasn't happening enough steep like I said it would interrupt my month so anyway he said well. I'm a Gulf. None as you know and I didn't want it to when you do get the surgery you're you're down and out for sure you're down and you can't in fact. The nurse corrected the doctor. When he said you're going to be good? Don't do anything for about a month or two right and she said you know what he always keeps telling people that you shouldn't do anything for like six six months to a year. Do something crazy. In this case Sid may be able to play and then get it done after and have four four to six months off so And obviously he is looking at that because there wouldn't be any discussion here couldn't play so you can't you can't operate on on it for a while or function. So maybe that's what he's looking at Don he's going to get done and the other thing is you want to get it done and then take your time with it. Make sure it's right 'cause you know if it's it's November at the end of the day you WanNa be making sure that you're good to go come playoff time because if you ride this thing out by the time the playoffs hit you're barely going to be able to walk honestly the ears of an H. L. Season Anyway So That's enough hernia. Talk I think for now and it's it's And of course The leafs without Mitch. Marna right now. He's going to be gone for a month after he got kind of tripped up off of center ice face off and mocked up his ankle. So that is going to be a big mess for the leafs who are just playing okay this year or is it or is it. You know. They're not they're not doing that. Great Steve with all this talent it so I'm not saying whatever bench him but like the leaves aren't they're not doing what they were expected to. Oh God no no. You'RE GONNA Invest Thirty four four million three guys. You're kind of expecting the world a lose tonight to the New York islanders five to four Toronto's record nine seven and in four so that actually lost more games than they've won with the kind of payroll they have shame. Shame right now. They're holding onto the second wildcard in there by a point as we record this Sousa Recording and I noticed that Toronto is out of a playoff spot. That's the return of the Blue Team. Elimination Watch don't you know. 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Dedicated contact was never for more than a quick text or phone. Call Away. Visit all ends dossier or tech six one three eight six zero six zero zero eight all insurance Ontario. Your modern boutique not broker all right. So there's a winnipeg blue bombers fan who I guess made a bit of a wager. Oh I guess about I'd say about sixteen years ago and now how he's feeling like they have shot eighteen years ago. I should say guy's name absolutely Chris. Matthews the guy's name either Winnipeg resident residencies long-suffering blue bombers fan and. He made a pledge in two thousand one. He put out there that he still wearing. Shorts in November of that year would only switch to pants dance after his beloved bombers clinched the Grey Cup the bombers were fourteen and four. They're playing eight. And Ten Calgary that year and in Calgary would upset them that year so he figured maybe a year or two more eighteen years later still wearing only shorts. What year round? You're around and I. I read the headline bomber Fan. Can't wear pants until Winnipeg wins. The Grey Cup. I was thinking he was walking around with this dude load. Oh the hernia to do this. This means nothing Stephen. Okay the old the old wager okay with supporting teams. The mayor's do it. I see there's another one again in some some final somewhere. The mayor has to scarves to stop. Yeah it's just it's just brutal and you know if you're GONNA do it it only becomes a story if it's somebody we know so some guy who lives in Winnipeg and and something. Something kind of significant Steve. I'm not gonNA wear pants fuck. I don't care I don't care the you gotta you gotTa make it hurt Stevie you gotta make it hurt. One of the best ones was when we were in radio. There was an Ottawa. Toronto thing going on might have been might've been a playoff round or something. I don't know whatever it was with sense. leafs the two radio stations. wasn't ours but maybe it wasn't our station at all but but there was some between the two cities. Okay so there's two guys who radio station opposite cities Toronto. Being one of them. No it was all about so the losing team Steve. The DJ from the losing team had to go down and drink water water out of Lake Ontario. Okay if Toronto lost And if auto a lost they had to go drink something out of the Canal Nice Nice okay here where someone's going to get sick or something. That's a hell of a wager. That's a hell of a wager right. Yeah no one ever never follows through in the bag. You know if you lose somewhere like you're gonna get hurt or something messed you ever get is if it's the mayor's or something they throw on the other teams James Jersey or something. Oh that's crazy that's mad. Nece we didn't Ya. I remember. We're on our show. We did one with the morning. Show from new ORC when the sensor playing the islanders in the playoffs and I guarantee the islanders won the first game and they are all cocky and stuff and that was in the sense. Where really good? I said guarantee you. You know you guys probably you're GONNA. You're probably not going to win another game. I guarantee you the sense win this series and there's also WanNa bet and they said what what is Long Island famous under this and then they said well we'll send you a big case of Our finest you know long island wine of some kind. It was a big guy. They claim to be famous. Winery down there. Where did I get one bottle of wine from those idiots nosair never happened never happened? Never happened I don't know I don't know if you did. You did A bet. Maybe the losing city has to make Don Don Don Cherry the Deputy Minister of Immigration. Wow that'd be interesting I want to make it hurt though. That's a good idea that yeah you gotta you gotTa make it serious. You GotTa do something you know. Stop with those scarf by the wearing majors make it hurt. So how about an unnecessary hernia. The operation for the loser very well if he does something. The full circle are hurt. Stephen Good night everybody the.
Episode 7: Rise Of The Ultra Runners
"Petitions for those participating on his father's four scoring categories most of center for the Month Fastest Five of K furthest total distance over the month for this distance in competitively says to non-scoring categories lowest scoring competitor of the month honorable efforts considering physical and other limitations competition period runs throughout teach calendar month only runs included. No cycling. Colling family works at Sacha. We are back nick can. Can You keep your balance for other. BG pages to spare the sanity of our more serious team members. Sorry team leader a case case chase. It's the third ED of January twenty nine teen and I am on my way back to see Helen whole recession as the dust. Settles on another underwhelming. New Year's Eve are Bob Graham. Focus sharpens ahead of our shitload attempt. In six months and twenty one days time did I have New Year's resolutions. Well scrolling back through the years in the notes APP on my phone yes. I'm blowin been welded US eve. Twenty fourteen make more contact to save money for house deposit three cycle ten thousand miles. I run five K in under seventeen minutes and ten. CAIN under thirty six minutes. Great South running under one hour. I answer they did. Eight thousand six hundred and twenty miles on my bike. I did a five five K.. In seventeen fifty two and I didn't run anything else. newsies Twenty fifteen. This is being the way best closed now to fuck it. CLIQUOT get too hung up on routine going to work later sometimes. You don't have to eat Muesli. Every day three it is what it is a one beat myself up about. Perceived deep failures all relate to people as adult and north retentions. Full do an island. I worked on one two three but never did the Ironman too expensive New Easy Twenty Sixteen Big Ray husband look for a new job really coming on one and two. You'd have to ask others. I didn't get another job but I did go on a one day podcasting course and here I am pretty seventeen go outside. Muslims take success fringe eighteen Putin a new kitchen. Yes stunt that finally twenty nineteen number one star running a to continue running without injury number three complete the ball Graham round and what could be simpler than about two days off see with this visit. Books Him with Sort of thing. Oh yeah going against then a couple of the stretches and of jokes down the hill again work for the last couple of days. I've done that using my new Minimally shoes second feel Michalis this base so again and I've got fading of dread of thinking on why why is it. Just perfect. Should've listened to US off before Christmas. If ain't broke don't fix it and I don't want to jinx. I don't want to be who's injured because he tried something in to try to patio. I am really wanting with with bloody loads of new got for Christmas as well as well as the new minimally shoes off. You've got some really good trail running shoes. Gandhi waterproof Head tall running rucksack. Thanks so I WANNA get going on a train and I can see other people Straw as striding hatch doing lots of I want to be fair enough to be positive. The other thing I'm I'm so looking forward hoping from Helen this time his after speaking to I diamond fin. Hey after just given a couple of drills found that he's Achilles what subjects is Darren is the guest in this week's episode coming up in a moment so you can hear about his miracle cure from Achilles pain with input from one of Helen Holes. Mentors the stuff I dream which hoping I'm going to just say wall kind of creating K.. Drills I should just doing all the time and then during them and hopefully I won't get into the Injury and I will say sort of rapid rapid improvement in my speech afterwards. Jalen's man feel much better. I did some running so still this stage. I feel like I might still might start line in June and off tonight. I was thinking about about fatigue. And Mine's Feld and of course we must can end. I didn't put in notes. You must count in the fact that your brain and your body had just gone through wearisome early shifts and you're looking forward to them ending so that will have had a bearing on the way that you were able to get your body and brain to cooperate as in. It was a struggle because the brain was tights. Hi It's and the body was tired and combination is navigate grounded by Helen's wise words full of New Year enthusiasm. Let's go hi. It's the twenty sixth of January twenty nine. I'm pissed off. Oh dear with running in general. I think I've just been really sure Jonathan down the road you know. Walk for about five minutes and then a jog walk for ten paces jog walk ten paces just to try and get moving again upcycle for the last three weeks tuned in five miles that one hundred seventy six miles than this week. One hundred and nine hundred miles so I feel like I'm fit cardiovascular. Heavy backup to speed after this Christmas lay off for a couple of weeks. Thanks so certainly. Another two weeks of cycling. I'll be kind of get ready but yet a little dog down the street and my car hurt and I feel annoyed when I look at the Bob Graham. What's HAPP group? Because everyone's buy new shoes and running fast on the hills sales and planning long distance races. and I'm still hobbling up and down the street so I kind of feel like I don't care about the book thing at all and I don't really care about running cycling to work keeps me fit comfortably fit in running very easily so having cycled forty four miles and then try and go for running evening when you're tired and it's January and it's dark and cold. It's not very easy. So then what do I do. Do I not cycle to work and drive to work just to prioritize doing some crappy running Seems totally illogical. Geico the other thing. I'm pissed off about. I think he's trying to do bad foot shoes. The NUB of it if it ain't broke don't fix it I don't want to be a bloke who's injured because he tried something here. Why did I listen? Running and welcome to our podcast asked about the Bob. Graham round sixty six ish mile run in the lake district up and over forty two of England's tallest mountains in under twenty four hour they recorded throughout twenty eighteen and twenty nine thousand nine. This is an audio account of a year preparing for and attempting the BG are. These are our Bob Graham. Sounds Spacey Send You this podcast from the twelve events the weekend in the Lake district but because it was something I take a little box room in an office which is not quite as lovely. The time likes to put some of the stuff and feeling okay about the massively competent but at the same point in last year's I think I've basically given set off not not not spectacular soulmate new particular lessons or anything other than and I'm looking forward to doing with massive Pacoima back is completely wake me. Wake me down to go from and looking forward to two and a lot of training I think mark might be even more calming than Helen. You can see why he's earned the moniker of team leader. Come on let's go now. Let's listen to that. Chat with running author Darren and thin who I met near the Guardian newspaper offices where he works part part time and of course we had this conversation inside a weight troves cafe. He's easy going. Super Smiley chuckled gently. I'm always a little bit nervous before interviews but this one turned out to be absolute joy perfect pregnancy adoption an author as. I'm sure everybody knows running with the Kenyans. And the way the follow and there's a new one on the way the rise of ultra on his journey to the edge of human endured. Sounds fantastic. Fantastic dramatic here so long and hard on that subtitle to that. He's out now. It was shortlisted for the sports book of the year. And a brand new bargain in paperback edition with new cover. Art Is being published this month. January twenty twenty. I'm a NEAT and Tidy Reader Aka fussy pain in the ASS. I have to finish the book. I'm I'm on before I can allow myself to start another and I tend to read them in order. I got them all with my strong northern delaying gratification streak. I read them in the order. I believe I should you too. Which means the hard work once I so when I got to Darren ends book? Having obviously years ago enjoyed his previous ones was like putting on a warm wordy sweater sweater. A pair of comfy literary slippers familiar. Funny relatable just a lovely enjoyable read the guests and the Info fo that he gives you about all tra- running weren't all ones. I'd head before I call this the Lance Armstong Syndrome. There was a time a few years when I was sort of addicted to reading watching or listening into investigations into that doping scandal in cycling and they were all telling me the same things but I couldn't stop reading them anyway. This is not like that after I read it I gave my copy to Beanie for Christmas. I am seventy eight percent of the way through down absolutely loving it. My favorite of his books so far a great choice. Thank you in fact. Acti- love it so much. I was going to us if you'd mind if I offered it up to the group. Would you mind recording. A few seconds of river began sending to me. It can be short as those texts. Excellent bit more lyrical. And yes of course of the way and here is some of that review from Bena note. How when he starts? He's not sure how to pronounce a Darren. And so instead it says the author is about to set off on a seventy eight mile trail race through Cortina Italy. He's on the Star on. As does he describes it here. Everyone looks fit mean with. I've seen things look in their eye rather than trying to push myself into the crowd huddling around the starts with plenty of time still to go. I find a bench in the shadows off to the side and sit down. You'll be good for me to start near the back to stop me. Shooting off with elite runners like one of those riderless horses at the Grand National. Will who think they're actually have no idea what they're doing. The final sentence reminds me so much of how woefully the the planned laughably abysmal first attempt at the program and it's typical of the really beautiful rising throughout this book whether you've read it already or not. This interview is rich and rewarding. It's the audio anecdotal. Delve into the time Darren and spent running ultras and hanging Out with the world's best ultra runners. The world's biggest and most famous races certain nutshell. You'd like to kind of go method to Kenya where you go to Japan. Where have you gone? And what have you done for. This was going to face to the world of ultra runners journey and as a runner bean. Gene it's always been something that's been bad in in the distance to one side. Ultra running Hutton. Six or seven Americans was never that try to me. It just seemed a a little bit too much to me two things kind of pumped one. I ended up running ultramarathons for an article. I did the on desert marriage. I kind of remember what about two thousand fourteen or fifteen and I met a guy on that we had a great time. It was a very good experience so now sixty five kilometers but I've a six days on paper. It doesn't that difficult is twenty five K.. Day but when you running on sand the whole way up carrying everything you need. is you carry a big heavy bag. But this Italian guy he just told you have off the most they often means around chatting. These beautiful says serves a wonderful experience. So this is fascinating characters debates agreed on this Italian guys to me. So you go to the crazy places you meet the crazy the people and that Kinda stuck stuck in my head and thinking about somewhere to go. Yeah an experience Timothy Crazy is always a good stop and then the other thing that pump. Today I was I work part time at the Guardian News editor at the tea and someone who had about that had something to do with running said. Oh you hear on ultramarathons thank you I said no I. I hadn't appoint what triathlons and I said. No he said well just marathons yeah just Marilyn so we realized that there was this inflation going on generally in the world running in people's perception running a marathon longer big fear that there was this world now. Training is becoming more Obviously people sending who is seeing other people because more people are doing and when I started looking into the figures that the numbers those were quite staggering in the last ten years in terms of participation in tens of the number events pretty much globally. It's risen about thousand percent in every tena every way. So here's a really fast currents that looks completely crazy. And and and extreme for these people are doing. This idea was attractive so I just saw what the Hell I'm Gonna I'm Gonna I'm GonNa dive in now. I'm a runner. You know what if my Go-to I can handle. This surely was what was my who is. My wish didn't necessarily prove to be true but I look forward to reading it also also hearing some of the stories now. So why do you think oh turning has come is it. Social media is easier to run slowly early for a long long time is that what makes it more painting. Yeah those things are true. I did a lot of talking to people about why. Why the increases that? There's a kind the natural inflation so the more people are Americans more people to this day poly to get sponsorship. Who can't really go around this anymore asking for money? Because you're running a marathon can but it's getting harder because everybody's GonNa math and the social media. As far as I could tell a very big role. More people are a lot of people I spent a lot of. People would supposedly admit or social media had had a role in the EICHENLAUB turning on considering attorney so it was it was an creates an account but there were people who admits it and other people people for that reason but I got the sense that people are looking in Miss World in one world people kind of out there. They've got themselves. Everyone's sounds is a brand. Don't lie instagram. Feed facebook page and they wanted to having a great time and they want to look like they're having a great life and I know from my own experience when I did. I ultra does American people who didn't know anything about running winning particularly they were so impressed. I mean people are you. You're amazing goes you must be Superman. I actually wasn't I was who am I in my time. And he's time for tank as thirty four minutes which is impressive. Give some of my of my ten K.. Time but that's A. Hey my mind we do that. I as a very surefire way impressing people. But there's a lot more to it because because I found there was this dynamic and I wondered if this is part of the reason why ultra on such a high dropout rate is because it looks amazing. It looks like incredible. Or even just telling you to impress his people say already Instan- Kudos and you do the training and you eat your in this haug around but once you get into the race and once you get out twenty hours to run in a mountain in the middle of the night. None of that matters any. He can't really social media. kudos means nothing that point and so people dropout but then you start having much more profound experience So I think it's not all about safe official reasoning. There's there is some experience in China which is much much more profound on even American or a ten K. I kind of thought about it in a marathon of the ideal state is is where everything's functioning Xinning nearing this flow this discuss. Lower your just flowing and everything's moving and you're moving is designed to as humans designed to running efficiently surgery surgery achieve but But in an ultra get way beyond that and almost the goal of people who do all trans is just to get beyond that to get to the point where everything's breaking down and everything's been destroyed and then you start learning something new about yourself so you start learning about what your commits are where you're capable capable of every coming what you feel where your limits Lot of alternatives to the pain cave. They say and they say they love the paint. That have digging into pancakes and I. I was kind of scared of that idea when I I I do. The pain cave slightly terrified me. I like the idea of finishing ultra. It wasn't sure about going through the tournament of getting there and and as it turned out so I ended up running about ten Americans culminating one hundred five miles in the Alps and I did that little pretty clear from just having a marathon marathon running about eighteen months which is quite steep progression. We're one of the things I enjoyed reading your books and I won't listen since you give a talk about the first running. The Kenyans in Portsmouth on the day before the great south run in October two thousand. Twelve the Portsmouth Book Fest. On a Saturday afternoon I had dragged my then seven year. Old Son along. He was fatty board of DOTS. Running thing by then I think he was sort of applying your new found and Kenyan inspired training routine and running style. We're running really well at that point and he wants to break in our breaking and ours always. It's been a real target from the field right south when I've been fit enough. The weather's been against Spain the windy sixty minutes. Thirteen is So I I relate to I feel like I relate to you as being very similar standard running to me when you do things that ten case to super painful the older whites marathan splendid Jiffy. Easy for the first part boring. You're trying to calm down with big challenges to slave so yes and then it gets hard for the most part time trying to keep to the to the target. USA itself but it is all about the talk about the time and so so with the ultra the time. Sometimes I guess is out the window. It's kind of just finishing the distance is the I seventy miles the boring out the way before for the last thirty I think about I mean you just feel pretty easy to stop and I'll try and they say go so much comical sometime in this isn't really a race I think you could. You can chat so you find someone I mean. No you always find something a couple of who one particular race in the south of Franz. Nobody seemed to get in the mood to me in English anyway but quite a few of the race you end up just sitting here chatting someone. Hours positive is usually there in beautiful. Wait for places more than the not. So the scenery's looking looking out and you get the sense you on a journey and you're monitoring your defeating you're eating and drinking on the way so that's something you've always got seventy four to your gun this journey but the difference with out trey quit where it starts to be painful you can kick in and you can still have a long time at least yeah and so whereas in America and maybe you're feeling across for half an hour and ten K.. For Ten fifteen twenty minutes. Because I bet you could be okay. I mean I've had wouldn't twenty hours being at the point where I feel. I can't even stand up on my chairman station. Get Out and I'm going to get over mountain fountain down so it's the length of time. You're yeah you're in that pain but in terms of the beginning I it's interesting. I did a twenty four track faces and a lot of people when I tell you about that honestly so boring really was never boring for me. I don't know why it just becomes this time and distance when you when you sat out on something about you know if I go for a run and I ran ten lots track I probably would would find quite boring. Yeah but when you know you're going to be going around twenty four hours time and distance can take on these different. They slightly more than they take on these different perspectives. And so you just warm up there. Talking to people track race was actually quite fun. Because you had the same people pasta every four hundred tonight. Everyone really well the runners the people counting the lots of your crew either people's career. I mean create this incredible spirit I think. One of the appeals so I think people are talking about the sense of community. You know if you do them. There's a good Indian people that so although a lovely uplifting experience it doesn't feel very close wears if your tonight station eighty five miles into a rice a few people that were a little more. Yeah no so you stop when you sit down and I knew very raw emotions typically nicer in the race really complain so hiring strangers wanting dogs hugs Shrek. People if someone helps you out. It just feels like the kind of thing you've ever experienced calf for the the people who are helping you and you've go out here and often they're out on top of the mountain in the freezing cold pouring you drinks and tying your shoe laces but then i. I don't see that fact that you're going slow so you can see me. You meet people you know Matt pickle on ultra and still communicate with complete. Hey strangest just happens to be running next to them and it's a bit more Gender equal as well as the number still bit unequal in terms of participation intensive is it women seem to quite well relative to a shorter distances. I mean women. Winning outright ultra the latest and most significant incidence of the elite women operating on a par with indeed better than the man is Jasmine Paris winning the spine race in one thousand nine hundred and of course record. That hasn't been beaten by John Kelly this year despite him leading by thirty miles so John set a new men's record of eighty seven hours fifty the three minutes and fifty seven seconds which means the course record is Jasmine's the women's record four and a half hours faster eighty three hours twelve minutes. It's twenty three seconds. That can't be many sports where that is the case. I think the numbers are still quite skewed to. I can't remember the figures of hand but I think it was over sixty percent males so various reasons without any issues behind that certain races than what sort of distances did today when I tried to build it up to run the qualifies. You've gotta run at least three races. I found three qualifying qualifying races at work. Sometimes when they were building up the distance. And I'll say I wanted to kind of experience different races in different parts who I want to be a race in America. There's a big ultra running scene in America. It's a one hundred K.. California but there are a couple of other races. I felt like I had to do as well. In amongst one being the twenty four hour tr raise the other comrades marathon in South Africa which is the biggest first and the oldest in the world. Eighteen thousand people running in an incredible atmosphere. I it's like being in today's like a London marathon starting but I guess the fact. Maybe you've been around longer. You're going to more intense experience. It seems it seems overwhelming time. When is it hard to get places for these these days because there's so many people want to do yeah companies because it has such a big field is fairly fairly easy to get into the the the entries open in their Ucla? Fill out within a couple of weeks so does it does fill up. But he's not like you have to do a lottery. Do you Tambi race. I did EH. He needs to this limit. On how many runners they're going to have some turn. How thousand rial? So you have to run these qualify macy's which are pretty tough. I ended up around one hundred mile race in the mountains as a qualifying race finished. You'd have to do them. In a certain time you gotta finish the cutthroats and then you entered entered into a lottery so he's still going to go to one in three chance of getting some sort of convert or you to someone someone that's going back to just running you know five or six miles regulate thank you so I'm not sure. Yeah I mean it's still quite recent I run my next challenges erode MERRINGTON. I want to see if this insurance. Hopefully it's incredible endurance base. I can add some pizza and go run a best marathon often times my next goal. So did he run best. Marathon time after all ultra training Emailed to find out he replies. I never did try or not yet. I ran the Kingston. Marathon can Jamaica but I wasn't fit and it was a personal worst. I was downstairs Manchester. got a slight injury about a month before and decided against it. I'm running another ultra my first since the book in March that Galea Gong by UTM in China. And then we'll try that marathon PB honest. I mean I did love the experience running triathlons and I like to think Oh dude him again. But I'm not I feel like I wouldn't introduce myself notre it. It's an extremely committed to running an ultra. Marathon is not just the training but the whole process move to three days you usually need crews and he's got other people out there to help you I mean they're shorto. Trans definitely unsure turns instead five forty miles. These big ones one hundred miles you need. It takes a lot my mind set the face and then for weeks afterwards. I mean the the first time your mom Iran in the south of Franz my toes felt like they had pins uh-huh and needles for about six months. Wow I basically carried money. I kept doing everything I did. It didn't seem to inhibit me but there was like a a long-term Finally medium-term impact. So you don't go into these things. I can't go into these things lightly. It's not something. I could just sign up for Maratha thin and then twelve sites i. It's not such a one day I go there and spend the night there today. Record come home. But but then ultra feels like we're in this for that sum is much more so much more involved person so I know a lot of Algerians expecting to see. I've been questioned Wednesday David who his own culture in the U. K.. And he asked me if I was a cop and he go very disappointed is that I might not be it. Felt like once you've experienced. Could you go back into running a race apart. We'll say like the feeling of just running like uninhibited the smooth you into a rhythm. Actually just running nothing else is taking pot taking place whereas in an ultra you're dealing with so many other the thing that's in your mind is a huge thing which it is but it's much bigger than love carrying style preparedness exactly early. You've gotta pace yourself and complete where you could take about eighteen preparing for working with food. You need to read temperature conditions. How are you going to cut it those weather conditions i? Sometimes I just want to run. This is to our run of A. This is easy. I just stick about money. So they were Long Institute Institute simple question now. It's interesting because I mean we're all most of us aren't on Damien whole most of us aren't even Ed Our non fit and writing a book about altering so sort of trying to fit in around your normal life when it's it can't be as important as your family or your job and and things to Sydney Abakan. Something that's going to require great long right we we in running if ours is training runs. Did you just do more short. Yeah I I mean I didn't i. I never felt like a fully trained as much as I should have done. Which leave whatever you run out? They'll nineteen percent say about every race. They it's I ended up being quite a few four was probably the long. They've won six hours with Amy Nation by which was his weekly run? So he's a six hour on every Friday the second week inside of one of those but on my iron my usual be two or three hours and then I did about three or four. Four hour runs in the go-to do the same at the same children and my wife is you know. I spent half the week in London work. Anyway I'm away away from home and then and then I'm like I'm going to go six. I run Sunday morning. She's like well. You know your kids kids in line so but while it was my book project had this excuse well you know run. These races con the run. These races now committed to this year's yeah do they won the those people who attended there in personal development experience. Yeah it's it's usually impressive that the punishing fit it in and I mean not. Everyone's got families are young children but those who do lots of it's early mornings. I mean the Times I did do my forearms jozy got up at four in the best way to fit it in because by the time kind of Limburg opposing players on I used to like to live in Devon. We sit in the drive to the car and get back because it was going to be a six hour the new accession so if I got up for could be backed by who may impede my my family's Day too pretty much. Yeah and like you said you're a good run under an hour ten miles you run well at the three hours. How you write your sort sort of competitiveness as an ultra we? I'm not as good as I was hoping I should eat. Damian Dame is helping him because he was he was. It's a bit of inspiration when I first started. Because he was he kind of started out running as a journalist as well he was wet for Hiking magazine or something and he got a few runs and he liked it and when we compared Shorter distance about the same ten K.. And Half Marathon title. Yeah well He. He's a journalist Turning mechanism now I mean you know. He ended up fifty to be which is. Yeah Pretty Pretty Amazing so I thought maybe maybe I'll discover Chris. Brilliant idea but I I was I was not worse. I'm better at marathons and better ten case since the fact that I go further back in in the field so I wasn't very competitive. I wish my last race I without spoiling the I did finish surveys surveys. Something like twenty three hours behind the winner about twenty hours Damien who has similar pancake pancake onto ten K.. Speed has not much barry on on one hundred mile races and was also the the technical stuff do you enjoy the clambering scrambling and I started off being very bad at that stuff. Particularly the descending and I did work on and I did get much into the point where the descending was actually strong passing even the attorneys here famously. Much better than the British descending. It'd be passing them. It wasn't that in the end. I thought that was one point but then I managed to improve. I think it's I think I'll turning something. You get tougher. You get the more you get better at it. I mean I definitely do you tell me was my last night but the one before that was putting my best race around the Leverett trying to me and my position but I was fanny. I was pleased with myself. I was four or five hours under my target time and I felt like I was getting okay now. I'm getting this idea. I'm getting the sense of what it takes. How often to read as a steep learning curve? Any I don't try especially if you're like me and you will quite good run. I say you think you know you're doing and I didn't So I think mindset plays a big role as well I feel I Giving in to my mind mine you get to the point where your mind is saying. You can't do this you know. Forget it you know cut out for this. You should give up. We should the sit down here. You should take a break and Irish just giving and giving and giving those guys at the front. I talked to them. You Know Damon and other people spend a lot of until Miller he was and he said he's just stupid and you just tell them seascape angry with him so because and I said I'm GonNa this time I'm going to be tough myself going to tell them what when I stop saying. Oh you shouldn't be should say no I'm GonNa do it by just giving in his time. Okay yeah this is. I didn't have I mean. Obviously I had a good enough mentality to finish that. She ended up finishing every every race. which is how the dropout forty percent with darkness the mental in some way? Yeah yeah but I I did. It did slow me down and I did find a struggle but I was strong enough to get through it but You also enjoy that sort of ZANU. Zan thing that I've heard I've not done anything longer than American myself. So you know. Did you took place where you were just on a different play you do you really do. and was this kind. Wait is that when easy tim be I got to this point often many many hours of struggle and and depths of dispatch the point giving out wanting to give up desperate to get up. I came through the other side. So this still going quite slowly but definitely is state where everything just go really peaceful really. Come to the point that when I got to the finish sleigh disappointed that we were finishing such a nice space. I wanted to Kerryon carry-on homeless petrol. It was We saw the town and I was coming down. Oh well finishing. It's going to be back to reality Z.. Dealing with like finding my bag and getting shallow. Something must be something of one of the Bits it's a blurb Fred About your book is now a thriving. Global Industry is an antidote to modern life or Simpson of a modern illness. Onus an and I think the must be something about the escapism. If you're if you're away running for a day and a half you can't be texted dekom anything else. That's nice yeah. I didn't mention any but that's another good reason. I think people did is just takes you to a place which we're not used to gang in in the ticket in the Western world where you're you away from technology and and dealing with all the issues you move everything so comfortable everything so you know we have a Nice Cup of tea here. Temperatures just to suddenly only be tested and pushed. And that's part of the antidote. Someone life is back kind of something is not necessarily pleasurable on enjoyable. There's something intense about getting into that. Space can also very satisfying come through it. And you feel that you've been somewhere you journey journey. You feel that you change you can even one race. You can feel that you come out a different person somehow strong internally and you name which is Clinton amazing going to go. Yeah did you. Did you have to cope with real thinking on your feet like. Oh I've injured this part of me. I'm way of the mountain. How am I going to get to the next place safely that that kind of decision making on the run not really most of my moments of crisis pretty much I was burkinshaw? I couldn't take another step. I mean there were times it was one of trying to think through them but in in one of my hundred mile races I was completely frozen at the top of the mountain but just kept going. I mean I didn't it didn't do anything particularly clever to get out of just just kept moving but I was shivering. I couldn't eat try. Try to eat the tiny thing and just gagging about two out usually just keep. Yeah Hi I didn't have any clever solutions but you do feel afterwards eve come through a real test. Yeah and you and you've passed. It's all relative I was. I was often amazed by how far was behind the leaders in. How do these guys do that? Because I've been pushing myself pushing myself. I'm not twenty hours but still to finish to get to that. Finish point. Two arrived arrived back in the town. Laredo began and being around whole mountain. You've achieved something. Maybe learn something so so. Have you changed anything about how you run because if you when you run out of the running things so just not for many ultras direct me but I do carry on my journey into four officiency and strength through the first two books. Hi So I had this whole experience right. Boone Theron Kenyans grant this lovely forefoot way and so I signed vending like that and I got Kinney's Kinney's injury the bells of recognition sounding again the ghost of vassals lurks if ain't broke. Don't fix to be joined join now by the specter of a Darren's Achilles money and I still run either today but it does put a lot of strain and the more people talked to. The more people had the same experience that cost the phillies become programmatic. And so that was something I've been grappling with Particularly it feels slightly responsible because most people say I read your book in fact as someone in Spain is even produced a shoe with no. He'll says complete. It's got no here. It looks Sook completely bizarre. High Heel shoe. Yeah I've seen and he. He says he inspired. After eating my books I mean she may or may don't be brilliant but the people are changing their medical. Getting book makes me feel like. Oh God I still I still think it is the best way to run but it's not very easy. It's not as easy as crispier. Certainly made it sound. Yeah you just take your shoes away minimal shoes and in your way there's There's low complications and initially has to do with how we move the rest of our lives. How we lived our lives apart? We wear shoes the rest of the time the fact we sit and chas compromises our form so explore this further and I finally got rid of my kids when I got to the point where I learned completely pain-free a four foot way which I think is is much more efficient feels much better. I exclude lots of things with the two things without going into huge detail on the now is something cool and that to me in motion. Yeah and we heard about that one. I I emailed you about during this in interviews because I heard you talking on another podcast and thirty or Achilles injury and having this Guy Gary Wall and I couldn't get seek our I've seen a woman Helen the whole on your recommendation. Because I've had a long standing Achilles so when you mentioned it all that kind of thought yes. This is exactly the thing that I'm suffering with. I was hoping for a solution to let me go. Get a obviously. It's been a much longer person all of that. So I'll be interested to hear your to learning leading points. I'm with Helen. I'm running downhill and walking back up. He's trying to get me effortlessly. Stacks on top of mind Burning vertically the next thing I'm moving onto is in my my narrow my feet. So He's taking one one section of the thing so yeah because yeah so I would see Gary in south. So he's the guy who came up with the anatomy emotion. Yeah and he recommended Helen because he said he he. He doesn't particularly apply to running seventy he he he came up with it and things he says is a basic movements to take the construction site the number movements we can make An that it's not like there's a set number of moves which we can which often commitments compromised as the past usually an injury or an accident but it can just be sitting at a desk day for years on end member. Never walking around So he's your buddy starts compromising gets used to this new pattern that it's loans either protect itself because of an injury or because of lifestyle and so all these things showing your buddy it's food range of movement and creating that understanding. I mean in your brain that this I can do this and in doing in a very controlled Safeway so you're bringing us the very title that way for example. Yeah yeah that's fine. We can do that. We don't have to keep protect side back in my electric three times and in effect my whole movement was protecting my left wrist in the last fifteen years ago. I just got into this pattern. where I wanted was trying to protect my wrist and we found that if we told my brain. My wrist was fine. Partly by holding it in my Saturday partly by these movements my whole range of moving my strength even even in strength tests increased hugely and the the movement range of my feet for example doubled through sharing my grand my wrist. Who's he's working here? which was interesting and I found? I had a bit of a Miracle Cure and I know everyone is going to have a miracle cure but I went from seven years of Achilles pain to one one week later. Never having a so Kelly's ever again. We should hasn't come back two years ago the other thing. I did which I think in to me. Works in a similar way that get into the finer details is Feldon crisis which is an old technique is got by a Polish guy called starting price and he might not be people are going to be found in Christ was Israeli not Polish Polish. Sorry Felton Kreis Fan but he develops it long time ago. But it's the same thing it's about showing your brain. The bodies range motion and movement in a control old gentle way so your brain is trying to protect the body because the bread brain shot one of his jokes buddies jobs by the brains to protect yourself south so you don't get hats and it feels like there's a weakness it will even that gun if it's got use that weakness it will it will attempt to you protect your which in turn is going to inhibit your movement your range of movements the APP technique mental technique goes relations. It's more well. I needed one Fahrenheit section. So I'm on my up to speed on what they did. Is they manipulated. Gary into these movements. Don't do that show your buddy. It's for Inter Movement. So you just do it simply doesn't hi it's not. It's not a strain cutting Christ's Day they manipulate you. They let you down and they protect practitioner manipulation but again very gently just so I had not quite sure how old connected to the response. I might say that cascaded down to my hip abilities quite limited hit with it. It's a birth these techniques were from my hip but in a very gentle way and not just read everything to work. Because I have had people commenting my own the fact that my brother on Blue Apron together. He's similar level. Runners compete a lot and he said to me after being with Gary and he said you know you for years you've been writing about running and I always thought you uh-huh despite that vitamin want to say anything but actually today he look completely different. I was really interesting because I hadn't consciously tried to change anything all I've done with these movements and I still do them every day. So it's GonNa yeah because when she spoke to me has said she doesn't want running to be sort sort of mental exercises thing. I must do this must. This must be holding area. It shouldn't be a thing that you're trying to force you to do. What the drills that? She's got me doing coming up which similar not broken things on my left side this show though and similar things have affected Not so my lewer soft tissue because of all the upper body aches and pains of kind of affect how hold myself so these drills to try and enable me to stop running in the way I did when I was four years old and just let your body run certain naturally how to exactly exactly because when I first started out on the change in my room I was thinking very conscious thinking right. Yeah feet landing under my hair under my hits. It's where my position all this stuff and while I'm aiming doing right I think repeating initially then since deciding tied at two. PC's was yeah. I mean there was some research recently. Said you're you're looking at the scenery your own. Oh you more. Efficient prevents look at look at the scenery then clouds full because basically efficient than doing nothing because because the thought processes involving Higginson ability just to run now I mean people who work on formless. I would you do that. You don't do that when you're running seriously. Only to be picked consciously when running easily and and there is an element of truth to that and you can certain things you can think about cadence for example what I love about Gary Stuff. I'm the phone. They just do the movements and run. You didn't think about anything else. Impact is is big Burnett all. What's encouraging good? Because on the stage of you know hoping that Six months sitting months from now I'll be able to run around the distinct short running downhill. And so you know a long way to is that because that's was having to do because then yeah it's not working very well. No I think in my Achilles has just been stubbornly painful so I'm just sort of these we introducing. I can see the whole of what I've done with Helen's help but at this time I think I just felt lost and unsure. What on Earth? Nobody was doing because when I started this whole ultra I had very so Kelly's I'd actually develop the hillside. A heel spurs bony outgrowth on the hill bone when you foot's exposed to constant stress calcium deposit buildup on the bottom of the Hill Byron causing this deformity lifestyle modification is typically the basic course of management strategy so seeing a Gary Water Helen Hall and addressing. Your Posture Movement is probably the best course of action. And and that would be and I was about some bottom ultra into his own trying. How the hell am I gonNA get? Another people have said to me. How did you do two years turning? Well I put it all down to this. I do feel like this big role getting Achilles fixed and then recite allow Xiaomi to run in this way I think is still right very beginning with the balloons around the rented. Liming Four I. It's not lining when you're here if you're right you can work it and you can get everything leaving. Sing is is the best way to for most people would be would be you better way to ask you about was ultra running being a sort of money. Did you end up buying loads. aww New Kit with the things that you kind of kind of I think is fantastic. I'm one of the things that you know. What a waste of money? It's not competitive. Sports is still fairly cheap but yeah you there is more than regular running. You gotta go buy back the one. I had had a a a huge worlds but I think at five liter water. I collect Hummel back which goes behind your back and that is good in that is actually fit bitcoin. snuggie on your back. And he didn't have to refill up everyday station so that would vence ges of it when you did need to refill. It was quite fiddling. It's all on the whole back to PC. But I was one invested in this back on this kind of stuff so that was kind of good and bad for a long time. Resisted the the hiking poles running holes. Those runners he's in the mountain. Yeah probably this is because I didn't want to accept the really ultra. Learning particularly in amount is walking in my head it was still ultra running. No woke up and I didn't like the idea of having hiking poles but in the end I gave some lucky. I never great. I mean just such beautiful bits back on the other hand these bright red and yellow sticks and I felt quite good moving around in the man they do help I mean I didn't use them on the dissents James. I found my my descending to a point where it was fine on the essense suicide having a row to pull yourself up on. It definitely helped Whitley. That very fast is so true and is planning to use pose but to me They're big killing. Johnny doesn't use policy disease but that's the race legal on most doctors. Don't need them on the flat flat and made them but on the on the hills. Yeah they're big. How so you put some of the NFL alarms shoes? She's the same way I did. End Up how bad FUTSI minimalist. The he's running hurts which Maximalist which we which is interesting because they are allowing you to fully because zero zero trump right. But they've got big cushion hills but I just found. Initially I was running around most of the time very minimal shoes and marathons on the road. Yeah but when I was running for more than ten hours at a time the cells my feet which is getting so sore that it was compromising everything ninety was heading in itself but then I was trying to run away which I was landing which is almost impossible which is impossible but man I could just feel that everything was tensing on every every footstep try to pay pokers and they just that out of the game. So I didn't have that problem with my feet spanning because of the extra cushioning not what most mineralogy is. I think most people that run does twenty. That's forty hours at a time fast. Hugh I did Iran in very thin so Salomon's suspend near the end of the race. Look at these people were these being piloted songs. God dislikes just. I'd give anything for that. I'm sorry I gave in. I tried to help Richard. I squeeze author in the clouds. The book on the Board Graham is a friend of yours. Yeah so this is not the first time Richard has been mentioned on the podcast by May and other guests. So obviously I was caned total him in at the start of twenty nine teen on negotiations association's via email had already been going for seven months I think BBC news would have described his protracted juice Aquino Keno minded fancy spending a week. Thanks Bill. Email happy to help him principle. But I absolutely can't take anything else on at the moment. I'm drowning impossible origin. Just trying to deny some recordings from BG in London regularly for work thanks via email basically now very rally early in London. Very few honesty Nicky spinks perhaps could come to you on the way I live in Northamptonshire. It's possible but let's leave. Yeah I've been until we find something that will so options left open. I will resume contacting this spring and I will get asquith on the podcast. I'm glad I did. He was what's brilliant thoughts to come later. Have you ever talked to him about the book. Grand Yeah well. We haven't actually said we. We organized the running running and writing retreat in Dartmoor Mayweather. Again next year down. Richard continued to do running retreats together he tweets about them so you can find details the first time we've hung appropriate. I did one interview him at a London. Sports Festival of schools by Team Sports Festival or something. That was the first time I met as when he's running free. It just come out so we talked a lot out of irony free and then on our right to retreat. We didn't really talk about the book very much but I did notice. We did a lot of writing on on top which is quite hilly and It turned out he was very worried about running. said he hadn't run a tool for ages. I'm running up the hills and he was kind of struggling and then as soon as we hit this big descent he was just gone still had the technique and then he was saying after running with he gets understanding on the trails in running free. He talks about stages stages of running about states six or seven. I think it was like shedding all. Get really care about it. He just wanted to out with the dog and enjoy the scenery. Where where are you on the state? He's running. I'm not that I think I was on stage to obsessing Straw Straw and this I I've never been obsessed with watch i. I remember when I went to Kenya. thinking it'd be among my brethren people don't really watch and I was passing. He didn't have a works so but I now I used to have a but really. I'm done that myself dictated by either trying clock up miles or run surgeries. Dan Rea to break times I'm fairly relaxed. But I still when it comes to race. I feel like I need that Enough that competitiveness and I love that sense shooting for go. Even in the ultra completely arbitrary goals. And then I'd be killing myself together was in the comrades marathon because they give you different meadows according to what time you're right and I she didn't know anything about that specific meadows until I was almost in the race. I mean the day before people citing different races different meadows and different times and at one point I realized I was getting quite close to the cutoff for this medal for the bill rowing medal. And Dad why I don't get that in the next minute was called the Burns Meadow WanNa get to a and it became even within that race became such an obsession. I realized realized this killing myself to get a bill to a guy who was the sole focus of existence is to get the bill room. I I guess some of US need competition race to now in more than others. Imagine eventually just enjoying running on the Clinton in some ways. I look forward to that time but I do enjoy the competition I do. I find in ultra when anyone particularly in ultras. 'CAUSE I had targets and goes to show just suddenly would come to me halfway through the race someone would say. Oh You one hundred fiftieth okay right. What could've finished seeking to get to the top hundred and then that would become the and that would push me on because I when all turns you can just go very slow you can walk? He still get that eventually. I needed something to keep. Keep pushing me to do as well as I could. So these goals yes. I'm so competitive here in my world as my Kenyan say champions in our world for the Great Guest Darren and was really generous with his time and I loved all the stories that he gave me from this point. An unpublished book like I said It is out now in a new addition bogging paperback also. Maybe I can take a small amount of credit for inspiring Darren to get involved with a lucrative world. Okay just the world of PODCASTS. Because he's announced a few days ago January twenty twenty now bright up to date they. He's making his own own. podcast just like everyone else in the world. It's called the way of the Russia and the first episode has running Snooka legend Ronnie O'Sullivan as the guest You're listening to next week on this podcast the adventure and running writer Duncan Craig and wherever you whereas the best places that you've been in the world running. I think this would be an obvious one. I did the marathon to solve back in two thousand and seven. That's something I won't ever forget. I've run in the Arctic and probably to be almost everywhere that I've traveled to find a wonderful way to get under the skin of a destination. Shen the mark and I and the rest of the team continue to slowly train through the gloom of winter two thousand nine hundred nineteen and that we had February heatwave reminding ourselves elves is still only February more warm sunshine to come and the potential for more exceptional temperatures
[Repost] #221: Riots Not Diets with Becky Young, Fat-Positive Activist and Founder of Anti-Diet Riot Club
"Hey there so. The podcast is currently on an extended. Hiatus so that i can write my next book and work on some other exciting projects. But while we're away. I hope you'll enjoy this fan favorite episode from the archives if you want brand new content to help you make peace with food and he'll from diet. Culture comes sign up for my free weekly newsletter at christie harrison dot com slash newsletter. Where i answer a weekly listener question and as always if you join my intuitive eating fundamentals course at christie harrison dot com slash. Course you get access to our exclusive monthly q. And a podcast. I answer all your new questions. Just go to kristie harrison dot com slash newsletter and christie harrison dot com slash course to sign up or click the links in the episode description. Welcome to food sake. A podcast about intuitive eating health at every size body liberation and taking down diet culture. I'm your host christie harrison and an anti diet registered. Dietitian certified intuitive eating counselor and author of the book anti diet. Reclaim your time money. Wellbeing and happiness through intuitive eating which is available wherever books are sold. Join me here. Every week as i interview interesting people from all different backgrounds about their paths towards peace with food in their bodies and by the way on this show we bleep out diet culture stuff like wait and calorie numbers. But we don't censor swear words or other adult language solicitor discretion is advised Hey there welcome to episode two. Twenty-one food sake i'm your host christie harrison and today i'm talking with becky young. The founder of an organization in the uk called anti diet riot club and fellow anti diet activist. We discuss. How diet culture intersects with other forms of oppression. How to respond to people who push back against the anti diet message. Why anger is important and eating disorder recovery. How unconditional permission to eat can free your mind to focus on things other than food and so much more. I wait to share this conversation with you in just a moment but first i'll answer this week's listener question which is from a listener named rosie. Who writes hi christie. I often hear it said people in larger bodies. I'm wondering larger than what so. Thanks rosie for that great question and before. I answer just my standard disclaimer. That these answers and this podcast in general are for informational and educational purposes only and art substitute for individual medical or mental health advice. So i liked this question a lot. I thought this was a good question to answer now because we have a lot of new listeners. Joining us for the new year. So welcome if you're new to the podcast. And i think it's helpful to define terms like this when you first start out on anti diet path when you first get into a podcast like this or read a book like mine. It's helpful to know what these terms meat. So i. i wanna talk about the phrase people in larger bodies. And then i'm actually going to define another term that i think is going to be helpful for understanding kind of the full import of this phrase so i people in larger bodies when those of us in the anti diet movement used this phrase. We're really using it as a value neutral way of saying that. Somebody's body is larger than the so-called normal range a hate that term even but the so-called normal range on the bmi chart. And that there's nothing morally or medically wrong with that right. So as i explained in the introduction to my book the words quote unquote overweight and quote unquote obese. I only use them in quotation marks. Because they have a really troubling history that is born out of oppressive beliefs about body size and these words really stigmatize people in larger bodies and treat body size like a disease which is actually likely to be more harmful to people's health than their weight itself and in fact wade itself is not quote unquote bad for health. The way we've been told in diet culture anyway. I talk about this all in a lot of depth in my book anti diet so definitely recommend checking that out for all that background so instead of using those oh words instead of using those stigmatizing terms i typically use the phrase people in larger bodies or higher weight people to emphasize the fact that body size is a neutral trait. The way we would say you know people with brown hair or taller people or whatever right and also to highlight the fact that we're all just temporary inhabitants of these bodies that we use to move around the world right we might be smaller bodies or larger ones but we'd all ceased to be here if it weren't for our bodies if it weren't for the fact that we are in these bodies using them to move around many of my friends and colleagues and the anti diet movement embrace the word fat as a neutral descriptive for their own body size. And you'll hear me use that term with them on this podcast when you know the my guests on the podcast or my sources in the book self. Identify that way in. It's in the spirit of the fat acceptance movement and fat liberation. That we use that term. Now i don't generally use the term fat as a descriptive side of that context outside of talking with people who identify that way only because i recognize that it can really stir up a lotta traumatic memories to hear smaller bodied person like me. Labeling you with a word that might have been hurled your way as an epithet in the past right so if that's been an experience that you've had and then you hear this smaller bodied dietitian throwing around the word fat. I think it can be. You know what. I've heard from people who say that. It is kind of jarring for them to hear that. And so that's why. I don't use that term other than using it with people who self identify that way and while i truly believe that the word fat should not carry any stigma and that the only reason it does is because of diet culture. I also know that not everyone is ready or willing to reclaim that term for themselves. And i don't want alienate those people from my work. I don't want to alienate people. Who are not ready or willing to reclaim that term. But who still want to accept their larger bodies now of course the label larger bodied or higher weight can seem kind of subjective and hard to define right a writer. I really admire who writes under the pseudonym. Your fat friend defines it as people who wear plus size clothing and that can be a helpful way to understand the line between you know smaller or medium bodied and larger body right but of course some folks at the higher end of the bmi spectrum or people who wear plus sizes don't necessarily read as being larger bodied meaning that they have what's known as thin privilege even if they are at a certain position on the bmi spectrum they wear plus sizes and so now. I wanna define and unpack that term a bit thin privilege because i think it can really help eliminate what people mean when they talk about the experience of living in a larger body so thin privilege means that by virtue of being or even just looking like you're below a certain size you have greater access to resources and face less discrimination in society than people who are or who appear to be larger than that size right and so again it is kind of arbitrary the where that line is but you can think of thin privilege as similar to any other kind of privilege in that way right. For example there's male privilege or white privilege or body privilege or any other kind of privilege you know based on a group that is less oppressed in society versus a group that is more oppressed. Right where some. Arbitrary characteristic of a person's body gives them greater access to all of the things that we all want and deserve like freedom and respect and acceptance and basic human rights so people in larger bodies aka people aka people who are plus sizes face really consistent and systemic oppression in this society. So it's not just body shaming by a few individual assholes but an asshole culture that makes it difficult or impossible to find clothes that fit to find spaces that fit to find healthcare that's effective and non-discriminatory to find equal access to employment and all the other basic human rights that we all deserve so the term thin privilege is used to highlight the systemic disparity and to call out the fact that dignity and respect and equitable treatment should not be privileges reserved for smaller bodied folks. At all right they should be universal rights afforded to everyone no matter their size and by the way. I just want to say here. That having thin privilege does not mean that. You've never had any body image issues or that you've never struggled with disordered eating or that you've never been bullied or shamed by individual assholes for your size you can have been privilege and also hate your body and i know i was in that boat myself for many many years and having thin privileged doesn't even mean that you feel thin and in fact wager that the vast majority of people in diet culture never feel thin even those within privilege as that writer. Your fat friend. Put it in a recent essay quote thinness is always distant unattainable a punishing standard. That few feel they can meet and quote. I know it took me a while. Myself to get my head around the term thin privilege. Because i always used to think thin was a word reserved for waiflike models. You know not for someone like me. Even though i've always lived in a relatively small body and have always actually had been privilege but the reality is if you're someone who's able to go to the doctor without being told to lose weight for your health conditions and if mainstream clothing stores carry your size pretty much across the board and if you can fit fairly easily into airplane and theater seats and booths at restaurants you know. I'm not talking about being uncomfortable on air. Air travel and theater seats. A lot of us are because they're just not big enough for most people right but you know you can actually fit into the seats and you can fly without having to buy a second plane ticket. And if you've never had insult hurled at you about your weight while you walk down the street then all those things mean that you have then privilege even if you don't think of yourself as thin and even if you hate your body right now wish it were spar and actually the reason that so many of us have experienced hating our bodies and wishing they were smaller while also having thin. Privileged is diet culture. Right it's this fat-phobic and food phobic system of beliefs that conditions all of us in western culture to stigmatize larger bodies and to aspire to smaller ones diet. Culture is both anti-fat stigma an thin privilege exist and we really couldn't have been privilege without fat phobia right. There are two sides of the same coin the diet culture coin. And so that brings me back to the phrase people in larger bodies while it may not be a crystal clear term for defining a person's particular person's body size right. in every instance it's a little nebulous cases. It's meant to help speak about higher weight bodies in a non stigmatizing way and thereby to help challenge fat phobia in day contexts. Because every time someone hears the phrase hurson larger body instead of one of those horrible oh words that treats larger bodies if they were diseased it helps open the door to a world in which all bodies including the very largest ones on the spectrum are treated with respect and compassion that we all deserve so. I hope that helps answer question. And i have lots more to say about why. Larger body size should not be pathologist in my book which is called anti diet which is available now at bookstores everywhere and at christie harrison dot com slash. Book if you want to submit your own question for a chance to have it answered an upcoming episode. Go kristie harrison dot com slash questions. That's christie horizon dot com slash questions. 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For thirty percent off your first order threat up dot com slash food sake for an extra thirty percent off today terms apply and now without any further ado. Let's go talk to becky young so tell me about your relationship with food. Growing up the question. I've been thinking about rape for quite a while now. My relationship with food was definitely not one of scarcity. I was quite lucky in that respect. I never like wanting food in the evenings. I felt like had quite privileged childhood in terms of food. But i definitely think that my parents history without a lot of food has affected me if that makes sense I've inherited some of the consequences of dan. Going up with nine meals on the table and having like fight ensued with siblings. 'cause they bai's came from really big families and like seventy people on this focused Have that insecurities around food on their buddies name. Body image has affected me. But when i was young to was such an important part of like family gatherings my my dad's family chinese draken so massive family dinners with lights chicken and rice and vegetables A kind of berry frontier approach to eating it by da vinci's the He he got with full brothers. They literally for each other on the table. E and Identity whether this is something that i've picked up from my mom's side just second box. They definitely eat very quickly. A messy. it's great it's fun. It's like rice elected. The face and definitely will live at the table box. But i was growing up. I remember site distinctly. My mom saying eat so quickly fava Separated so that commenting happens when your children separate parents. They can pay the and my mom's side when i was with have she could. She was an amazing cook. She cooks hypic hockey. British food in an august which no So it's a it's a type of oven. The is traditionally in farmhouses seventeen used to heat the house as well as be the oven Two three Hopes on the top that it will. He said from within. Eta said he currently control the temperature. It's it's always on. I feel like we have some different word for that. And i think it's like a hearth or something. I'm not sure. But there's some other other way of saying that. I think american and connected into the into the house and it's sort central heating her but his type rentals cook with and you have to cook in different timings Choose the temperature in ready ready. Ready difficult bacon tangent at makes it's like basically always on a particular temperature you can never exactly is impossible and it is possible but they come up with new cookbooks but neither old but is a whole different way of cooking anyway. She mosques the debt which was amazing and cook these incredible meals that really brule our disjointed step Which have people living in other countries. coming days. I've got a family. That's very into Brain together around. These amazing meals was This reimport memory my childhood and yet the thinking about it. It's like really conflicted. Because i also have these memories of my mom having a lotta shane around eight and around eating babies specifically salary. I'm an only child. i'm hurting. I'm in child and she would like give me love love to speed me. But i think also she had has already confessed relationship Relationship with body at said she kind of projected a lot in me east law when i was easing quickly all when i was busy being cheap steve as greedy would not eat a lot so she was cook these amazing meals and not sit down to eat and because she busy. I felt that she is busy. Her parents still all like washing up all keeping herself busy. But i also like she not eight land. This is something i've seen has said its lifetime. She doesn't look in the day but then she up Eat lows of snacks as she'd always have snacks a in house. So i grew up in a house which was had lows guests coming which was amazing and we always feed them with crisps. Chocolate lives always cokes and the pantry on those catholic in abundance of food. But i did feel shane around wanting to eat it. When i go to a savage so i have this kind of conflict memory food. How much wattage When my mama tool. Because i think she was. It's not really helpful. That she felt the ways that she did around food at trying not to buy either my mom or dad even though we have conversations which when we go back and look at the way the language is used the wrong food and diet and buddies has obviously had an impact. No but i think yeah the their own cultural issues with food or backgrounds with food sounds like influenced some lot and certainly with your mom. It sounds like diet. culture really came into play as well. Yeah i'm not sure my mom's editor if she was a big into diet saying i don't think she was but i think she's incredibly body conscious and fa That's been a huge factor in relationships and has steam She wanted me to feel that way. I have a different body shapes My dad's making chinese. And i have inherited his family shake. Got a brass. A big hits Luxurious might think that. I had a lot of insecurity about that. When i was at a young teenage kids. I developed really quickly as the first one to have a bra in like us wanting period it was just a lot too soon. For for my age. I follow and my friends were very skinny naturally. Not just the way they wear until they got to the eighteen nineteen twenty years Became ready caveat voluptuous young. And so when she saw me in pain about that she wanted to fix it on. The solution in how mind was like wait watches. She wanted to help me bats. That was that was like how she felt like she could did. She put you on weight watchers. Or take you with her or she didn't put me away which back from colorado where she's living My says the ulster was quite covey at like For sixteen year old and she she was partitioned mocks overweight at the time. So we both were like i guess. My muscle suggested it. We went on together. But we didn't go to the meetings. I probably think too young who knows. I think weight just appetites alleges now but at that time didn't get to meet it wasn't until late in my life. Assad yet cheering slamming meetings. Have my mom's friend is she was right which is used to come across the books Of every week and wire and do the weights on that stuff. Wow you had like a diy weight watchers meeting at home your Fourteen than say. The i land early on like Make myself Things even though it was just a minute And i remember sire much. I i've always loved biscuits This like something that will talk about now is like my wade Just because i was on three diets have this obsession with biscuits on developed that fast. Time gonna wait watches. Because i wouldn't allow myself a nice. But i wouldn't allow myself the richie rich teams in the states. Don't think so. It might be a different brand here. I don't know they're like really really playing blonde Cream colored flat round things. You don t yes. Yes we have those. I forget what they're called here. But kind cool everett sugary berry played. And i could have those because they were setting about points whatever and i was never even that much of a Hitting passan but not being able to have any snacks that i liked meant that i put all of my investment into these ready Lane biscuits and eight. My weight swath in anyway Yeah that i was thinking about it yesterday. About how i still now have problems buying packets of biscuits and i have to let myself to allow myself to buy them in this radi conscious whites. I'm like i don't want to hold myself. Agnes i'm not gonna eat everything like how i used to but it's still a In my head. I'm not so like healing myself from the is being cycle. I know that's so painful. I i can very much identify with that too and with the idea of eating something that is quote unquote approved or on plan by the diet at like eating it to the extreme. Because that's the only thing that's you know meeting the sweet need the pleasure need that you're allowed quote unquote to have and i've heard this from so many clients to that. The foods that they used to think they loved and they were like. I can't control myself around. Diet mountain dew or whatever once they're allowed to actually eat sweets are like. I don't even like that. That's really gross. Yeah and i felt like when you wanna give yourself that. Unconditional commission for a while. It feels like Wanting it every day but then you realize actually Months would even think about it. You wouldn't even even cross your mind and from going every day every every hour. Day thinking about one thing Not coming up in your brain Such a massive difference. Yeah i mean. Every time i talk about unconditional permission to eat. I'm reminded like oh. I have all these foods and my pantry that i used to think i couldn't control myself around chips cookies. Candy serio all things that i used to be like. Oh i can't have that in the house. Because if i do. I'm just going to polish off the whole bag or box right away and now they're literally in my pantry all the time and i never think about them. Unless i'm like ooh. What do i want for breakfast or do. I want for a snack. It's just not on my mind at all. Yeah exactly. I think that's the freedom from thinking about food is is the biggest freedom of it'll when i was younger gay bought said this teenage these teenagers of china diets mail plans and even into my twenties. I think that was the that was like the preoccupation. The i really like unshackle myself from thinking about food and constantly being guilty about. Who's getting shane round without had eastern or about what i wanted to e- yeah i mean there's so much i found freedom from and freedom in like since malek anti perch but that's definitely the biggest one thought process. It's huge straightening it is. It's so draining. It takes away your mental energy and your time for all things that really matter. It's robbing you of that mental space so curious to go back to in adolescence when you started weight watchers. And where did it go from there. You said you kind of went around to different meal plans and tried a bunch of different things. The s i think whitewash is a bit of options. And i don't really want get into specific ones because absolute garbage exact. They sat too much. And i think also which is really hard t to admit to myself. I was outside dominating on being Not consistently been having aging believe baggers. That i haven't didn't admit or acknowledge or years or until recently and i still don't about it because i think it just didn't want to admit about taking a hold meet that mops that i was dating not to myself at the time i thought it was like a physical thing but upstate was a lot about emotions mentality as well and then i left home at eighteen. Go traveling at this incredible experience. Traveling awhile by myself. The seven months which was truly life changing and Choppiness but i will send it back in it thinking that it was another turning point in My buddy because i put on those of whites and the some reason thought that that was a terrible terrible life destroying shameful thing. Even though i had the happiest months of my life it just tends to be the person that i actually am very happy and might away but then the about the bad thing. It's not and because of that. When i came back and i you know you just us in thailand and body. Australia is drinking law. I think that was the one of the big things Amazing to having the time of life. What i came back. I went on an increased. The strictest diet plan that i beat on yet and it was like one of the male replacement than i just not really kicked off the next five years of yoyo white loss in weight gain and dieting and i should be out to feed myself and learning how to nourish myself many how to cook more. Now that i wasn't in my house as unique. Instead i was like completely taking away agency for myself and giving it to these sachets pouted packages and things that i can literally remember the taste of right now i Nist valuable period by learning how to cook and in having fun to having pleasure and satisfaction and food. It sounds like you've got so much of that when you were traveling and then like scared you and you sort of backed completely away from it yet completely. I think. I see the look at memory in this way. Calla lilies This five month period of gray. When i came back up and i was just following this plan at a torturous the hunger a and yeah that i went to union Like meeting people and again like drinking going out. And then it's like you take as lilly saying that perfectly fine. I off often. The extreme extremity of the ibm easing before it. Just tightly messed up. My relationship A they want you to walk the whole time so they don't want you to really be cooking said a case of the in you. Can you can cook in the evenings. breakfast is provided. You pay for it. But isn't it's like there's a canteen in you live where the cantinas Again is that kind of period that full. It's a pair of our should have been experimenting and try out what i like to cook to eat. I was relying on a people. Take food all again. Flying at oscillate between bingley strict plans I was never any current. Sustaining them while no one is right. I mean it's natural to not be able to sustain them because your body's fighting back exactly and it took me as each About was my fault. I mean diet. Culture does a great job of making us feel like it's our fault right. It makes you makes us feel like oh. This plan is just great. And if you if you do it like the way we say then you'll lose weight and it'll be great and move on with your life and just quote unquote maintain but the problem is that it doesn't work like that. That's not actually designed to work like that. And i think diet companies know that too. It's not a secret that long term weight loss really isn't possible except for a tiny fraction of the of the population. I think they'd like it. Because of the spikes they. They know that people retire every year. They rely on people's time costume. They enjoyed spikes the get in january in Myron and that's how that business tobias. I think they delude themselves into thinking like most of the world that the kids that all these few success stories even if lost longer than two years whatever that that somehow they still do what. I think that it's such a collected collective belief that it works weight. Loss's possible to most people for because it's possible for Muscles must be bullets. Sectors admits was like. Oh this besson married discussing because they met in this place that everyone believes that that's possible even if it's just it's the exception not the rule. No that's so true. You're right that. I think a lot of diet. Companies and people in the especially like sort of individuals who are out there best proponents of a certain plan. Or whatever. think that it's real. Think that it if it works for me it must work for everyone or if it worked for these few people than it's possible but the conclusion of lake the only reason it's not as because of because it's your fault because you lack quote unquote willpower like that. Part i think is such an insidious reading of that instead of. Oh it's quote unquote possible for people to be quote unquote successful. I'm saying quote unquote a million times now to be these unicorns who lose weight and keep it off long term and it's not possible for you know ninety eight percent of everyone else right and so what's the difference there instead of saying. Oh the differences that that tiny percentage of the population their bodies and brains maybe lack the mechanisms that fight back against weight loss long-term and maybe these are people who are struggling with anorexia. The interpretation is no. It's just that those people try harder and those people do it right quote unquote and like everyone else is not trying hard enough which is just really a fundamental misreading. I think of people's motivations. I mean i know for myself and everyone i've seen who has been a chronic dieter especially people in very large bodies. They try so goddamn hard so hot struggle so much struggle and there's no lack of effort there. There's no laziness there you know. There's these are people who are incredibly conscientious effort full and thoughtful and like on top of things in every aspect of their lives including this analogy at war with at buddies that it's such a huge up basle. It's remarkable that seven people put themselves citizen. Don't like dead recognized how much of a fight there and think that it's their fault adults. I think it's really reflective also. It's a bit of analogy for how we treat. People generally like in a kind of capitalist framework or individualistic framework. We we think everyone's something blame the people who don't do it. We blame people that didn't make it to fulfil stations. We assign the individual as the psych Ax in overtaken vacuum. They can do whatever they want if they just try hard enough. That's that's the the rhetoric right. The whole like dream. It's the the white people who come from backgrounds and they make money they didn't they will. I did it. Anyone can and sorry poisonous because it just doesn't take into account all of the contracts will they are the factors in someone's life and yet dia cultures. Such reflection of of the whitest society didn't have sort of octuplets totally and how like people don't have an awareness of their own privileged. Because i see that so often to the people who come from a working class background. And say we'll fight can make it i've made it to this echelon of income or whatever i've i've made it to place where i'm financially really comfortable and if i can do that anyone can not acknowledging all their privileges and i feel like it's often white sis gender heterosexual male who says those things you know able bodied oftentimes smaller body cetera et cetera does say true even though they might just like incredibly low income background they still have all these other provisions recognize the get them one step up atlanta yeah exactly and like those privileges matter. Let's yeah it's a large part of why they were able to quote unquote pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It wasn't really them. It was the boot straps are like magic because their hand to by society also. What's with our obsession with comparing pasta. Everyone if we come from the same playing so we have the same types of buddies a week up in the same way. And i've made this point apple. You should too it just. I don't like this started. Tell us Yeah it's it's totally frustrating. Because it is that comparison thing and not acknowledging that everybody is different and everybody's backgrounds or different and people have different privileges and oppressions that they face that might change the course of their lives. So it's i mean there's so much there but i i want to go back to your story and sort of how things unfolded for you and in college and beyond it sounds like you're really kind of back and forth between like restrictive dieting and free-for-all for all allowing yourself to eat what you wanted at the canteen but then feeling bad about it ashamed. Yeah i mean. I had i was like a very competent out by us in. I kind of always have been inside. A lot of this uring and back and forth and struggle was ready in tunnel and although it manifested obscene like physical things like me. Being obviously on diets like boeing meal. Plans will try to follow some strict exercise regime. We're not going to sacrifices. Because i was trying to stay away from temptation court court that was a unquote. I also was a lot of it internally and because i was out with the quite confident and sexual inside deserves to be early. I could do better on nothing. achieve nothing. new friendships relationships. Academe are good enough because at the end of the day. I still haven't lost this way. I still haven't kept off this way. I've lost many times but it was put back on and comparing myself against other people who managed to just in my head smashed shed this weight and keep it off. Why couldn't i am. It just drained me. But i was always in touch with my buddy in a way that i think other people other people who don't have like a disability or a condition that they grow up with they don't have i have a fiber stays collegue which is like a very rapid tuition. That meant i had three major operation in may be six then again when i was eleven. I you know. I have a when i walk which is quite small but very pronounced. When i'm tired or pain. I've lost pain every day and icon. Move my hip High impact stuff. But i can do most things. I'm not. I already need to use crutches like when it's super bad cold but now and i generally didn't stop me from doing little things but it made me definitely have a complex relationship with excise because i wanted to take part in it. I liked moving. My buddy i used to love to dawn's a do dance everyday Classes every week into like to into the saxons boys and things and then i stopped my extracurricular things. But i used to really enjoying moving in that way and then when it got while thought Intellect going to the gym sock will do without Twentieth that now say is when you should exercise videos blowing up. Yeah i was obsessively following those. But i would always do myself. Real damage Nine quite quickly mileage. Wendy's house a catholic Fish myself to these massive extremes. I think until. I was sort of twenty four. I kept doing this thing. I was like trying to lose way as ari go to the gym roads in week for period of time. Then dommage like Myself essentially from doing things. I wasn't strong enough to do in my leg. But i felt kind needed. What to be is that's how exercise the like and ending year on crutches not vm. To walk out for a while. And then not moving my buddy tool because i'm so thinking Losing weight essentially doing and any attempt data is just like point us and that took a lot of hospitalizations of to realize that. I needed to fix how i saw excising movement but yeah i think having Having the limb always made me more conscious of my body growing up being developed quickly cetera. And i was just trying to fit in like like everyone is just starting to be like well. The body is around me. I didn't have a lot of fat role model. Kobe Grip nineties in. My mom was really slam. Just just trying to blend in the simulate Of course. I mean that's so painful like literally painful to think about how you pushed yourself to exercise in a way that was not good for your body and not compatible with your abilities and yet you thought that this was the only way because i think that is what diet culture are pushes on us. It's like you have to do this this way. In order to be losing weight in order to be quote unquote happy in order to be good at whatever. The activity is wrong than giving modifications and sort of taking into account people's different abilities within the context of the class. You know. I think it's one another way in which able ism is just built into our society. Yeah pain again right thing that. That is exactly what we used to tell ourselves on like. Obviously an element of movement Sentence movement will come with aches. Bob tech push through pain is really not listening to your body. I was quite good requiring instructors to change modified things for me. Because i've always had this disability so i wasn't able to do that in movements to net size classes on. I wasn't even stand on one leg for a lot of time. He still caught. So there are certain things that i knew i could do. I was. I grew kinda competence damp to expressed that. It's still part of me. Wanted to the end. And i'm push through certain things. I would still on myron as while. Try and move. My buddies trying to fit my buddies into this like doing squats weightlifting. Using white suggestions softbank Had just got into omnivores. Really trying to push myself be like. Oh the other bras. Jim bunnies and yet ready. Ready mass with my hips hipster imbalance. You've got one leg shirts now that you're gonna get a message your ghana. Yeah it wasn't good. She was that part of the the pain that you're experiencing from that. Did that ever sort of alert you to the fact that you shouldn't be exercising in this way and it was maybe too intense. Or extreme for you. Yes it twice. I went to the hospital. My doctor said that. I shouldn't because often need the doctors. I think a lot of people with like barron conditions will disparities might relate this unprecedentedly. People thinking buddies while you guys doctors and you'll told you asked about your quiz about like the amusement. Excise what you're doing in as feel kind of pressure tabby doing stuff and i definitely did because i feel i. I need to keep my neck strong so of by brains. They did through a little muscle. Objects surgery restoring. That muscle is really important. Especially when it's like annual glued Vizier from the ages. Six really regularly. But i wasn't. I wasn't good keeping it up day and like a lot of pressure to be doing most movement but then i went back twice will what. She's doing the wrong types of movement. You probably be in into much. You need to knock guy back Exercise a pop swimming while you like rest takeaway off crutches blah blah blah. And by this time. That's very just that it's really hard to get back into newsmen. Seeing is anything bob. Losing weight It definitely it definitely did shook me the I didn't put it together with my dieting. The diet culture until much later on. I didn't realize that. I was myself. Because i wanted to wait until a couple years ago. Yeah so how did you start to come out of that. How did you start to wake up to the fact that dieting was hurting you and that eventually movement was hurting you too. I think the timing point was around. Three three and a half years ago. When i was traveling with my now ex boyfriend on we were in mexico. We just sorta started the beginning of a trip. And i owned a i got sends origo tagged in a picture of myself agape before when i was had been in india for like six weeks i had lost to Really what skinny on. I hadn't realized time kind of because i probably just had dysentery was probably just really unwell in india. The like with no in dental apple. Just one of those happens and would you like to begin right. Pooping your brains out. Basically like the last two weeks. What was happening am so isolated. The last week. When i was in india a week night at a year later in mexico having been in a loving relationship for year was really hockey but i still despite just totally triggered this. Man spiral stops petty and self-flagellation brady hating on my cell phones Too failing once again. That's how i saw. I was like. Oh michael becky you lost still that way and you again you fucked it up like how did you like the has on the walls that could like lose that much weight and be at that as at that time when i been. You never think you're your way the ideal way you just never did. But i'm looking back eichel. I was at this amazing way. I'm not. I am really disappointed. Myself inside will these new diet things in mexico. I was really upset apps. Craig it just was is like. I think i'm scared out. Shutting alamogordo can have to do this all over again. What i'm traveling. It's going be really hard to do this. Because of mexico around this incredible i am gonna fail. And this fair and south down and i went on instagram and blogs and things and i just discovered this whole community of fat women living unapologetically saying new to weight loss saying they were just happy out the wearing colorful revealing clothes on just a light bulb moment in my head. I'd read out was issue in when i was at because i did. Ironically i did a whole thesis on How they presented themselves while like fat unlike clothing in Issued by neville apply that theory that politics two meyer in life side. Ten years lakeside. Less than that seven years later. I've seen these final community of people who are really embracing the politics capacity sense and just switch to my head and i just thought that's how i wanna be. I wanna live my life like them. I wanna they look three. And they don't give a shit and they they look really unbutton because of it and i feel like that's actually how i should be living. Actually i've actually very free. And happy going an energetic passan. Why i think actually dimming my lights by trying to make myself and it yet boatload able. Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe it's what is important and then that was just a start of like find reset jan reading Fighting about the biology and the science behind why diets Why my like my patients theories and the mental health Suffered because of a constantly finding out new things that just rea- fam- a feeling that i had Unifying your procast without a very beginning of this johnny. Because i was looking you. Think think looking for evidence people to sosa in like science you want sci-fi sightings to you that it's really really like like the people with the qualifications and so i flipped seeking out at the beginning. Just this whole janet is still is still learning so much everyday about my own relationship to feed but also like as the hell happened it up. How messed up. It is yeah. I mean that's sociological. Piece is huge to those a similar trajectory for me. Actually it was learning about first of all kinds of personally deciding to stop. Dieting like learning intuitive eating for myself but then learning the facts about health at every size and intuitive eating learning science and then learning about the sociology. like learning. about where this comes from. I feel like it was just pulling this thread of like why okay but why like what. Why are we here. How did we get here. Why do we have all this information about weight loss that so biased and not true coming out of the mainstream thinking and scientific research and just pulling that thread was just and continues to be so fascinating and fulfilling to me like. There's just more and more to know about it and infuriating to because when you really get into it and as uae. Why we're here. You realize that it's because of racism patriarchy and able ism and all of the stuff like all the oppressive bullshit basically yeah but the angus super useful. I think that will out without being angry at like these oppressive structure is. I wouldn't be able to remember why it's passing imposed a rebel against them. The like development. Unfair everyone else. And i think that's a big pot of when i talk to other people about how to maybe changed their relationship with buddies. The me does start with getting angry. making this way and knowing that it's not your fault and that it is very common for people to feel like this so finding a community on instagram Finding people who were talking about these things going on in my head and then realizing this pop a wide wider the conspiracy but structural phenomenon and than being angered that that was came before me like find out about like what interests he beats girls and unlike how to By life i take me. It was more about like hitting the body image stuff the way that kind of free myself feeling so bad about my buddy and that is the underlying thing for so many people i think because we wouldn't eat in a way that's disordered and we would never go on a diet if it weren't for the body shame in the first place right. It's the driving. Force is acting and that anger piece is so useful. I really am glad. You brought that up because i mean i think too that that's a an ingredient in healing that is essential. I think you can't really fully healed from diet culture and these oppressive forces that act on us. If you don't get angry at them because anger anger as a way of distancing yourself from those forces and saying like i see you acting on me and i reject it yet to reading something recently about like outrage the kind of nominal outrage on social media and things i think it's different feeling angry it's structure because you can. You can feel anger. That doesn't like way you down. You can feel anger at racism at sexism on them and colonialism. That is saddening. Infuriating yet feels really. It's a law is a lot of emotion. Hopefully you angry because you understand how it works and by understanding how it works. He can really be like okay. I'm angry. yes it's very but it doesn't have to have this huge impact. It doesn't drain me down like some anger dollars. United not hold onto someone else. Because it's going have yourself. But i think it can be really productive in the sense to to understand something in the angry and then also keep keep relearning how it works You can't just fix idea of like how culture operates and then be angry at that underneath that you kind of have to still be sex couple right and i think it also is going to morph in shape shift over time. The ways in which it shows up are going to be different. So yeah you have to be flexible in terms of understanding what it looks like out in the world. And seeing the manifestations of it just like with patriarchy and white supremacy and all the rest strike because it's also kind of those things shape shift and morph over time to. And i think like relationship with enga against lizzy sings changes as i age and i feel more. Compassion was like the people who while he may be propagated in my life. But who will say victims of those structures. Whereas i would get the anger knees against that may be inaugurates debates against parents or whoever and i do feel like this as i have definitely way less angry about certain things that i was. I was like eighteen to twenty one when i was really emasculated. Feminists therrien god. If it came to the table i was gonna lose my whereas. Now i will don't let it go is like i would not call things out if i was able to that i certainly have Compassion and understanding and empathy to the vet like Some more than others but yeah it is. It is totally. And i think sometimes that anger at first towards the people who perpetuated diet culture in your immediate family or people who brought it into your life is so understandable and i think that's a probably pretty normal phase for most people but then i think yeah getting past that towards compassion and like anger at the larger system and how it those people are victims to it to like. You said i think helps you re frame and redirect the anger to where it really needs to go. That's not to say that if someone has like a an abusive person in their life who is constantly shaming them about their weight or their body. That that's okay. Because it's not that needs to change to that's where it like setting boundaries comes into play but in terms of like the people who are well meaning in your life. Who at just happened to perpetuate diet culture on you and aren't actively abusing you anymore. I think that's where that that compassion really is important. Unless there's always gonna be difficult hike. Its so such a minefield navigating diet Even now i run an organization called anti riot cloud. But i still find myself in From his agents of people that oversee the read the past few leads. It's still difficult. And i also time. How do i respond to this. Then had what do i say like colleague family and an i still struggle with right response or not snapping all giving information it in a in a way that invites into be curious about set. Todd what have you found useful with that. What what are some of your strategies for responding to people those ways. I what i would say to other people is to check in with yourselves and feel trying to see how you feel like how much energy how to approach this subject because it can be really useful to save some Walk and they found you. End up putting back on a more. They this this preoccupation food in this kind of like did you know. Way if you're able to real inflammation because they might not know and if you have the energy than you can saw compensation but often this is not the first time that's happened around you and you feel like drained and i often do and fight off not to be like. I don't want to speak about diet because of my relationship with you know extreme dieting and disordered eating in how you know about my relationship with that if they are replaced and sleep better than it's like to the sassy of light this demon Have something to talk about. I'm more than my body and more than my weight loss. Like we've in me. But i think it depends on on how you feel the energy that you have because sometimes you can just ignore and go about your damn much happy away than engaging these people because it's not necessarily a responsibility to educate them. Yes so from ignoring to sassy remarks to quite measured. I don't want to talk about this too curious. Curiosity engaging compensation i love it. I think that's it's so important to have a repertoire of options to because like you said there's going to be moments when you just don't feel like you want to deal with it you don't feel like doing. Yeah i think if you can remove yourself from the room with the compensation Fucking us given right yes. We are not frozen in play any ability to move around Somebody's being shaming i would encourage practice cooling that out 'cause it's become such a common list like non shocking thing people to be safe that fiber in casual conversation but it's not a k. You definitely don't have to put up with it like you wouldn't put up with a Someone saying racist sexist homophobic. Since i i definitely invite people to to stock willing that out in public if accounts. Yeah absolutely and yet to whatever extent available to you in that moment but i think he and especially to i think thin allies to this movement have a really important role to play there too because even in los i am I've heard from a lot of fat activists that it's exhausting for them to always be the one and the only one in most situations to be bringing this stuff up and that if thin allies could also be talking about this that it would move the needle. Maybe a lot more in situations where people aren't gonna listen to the fat person and also just take off some of the burden from fat people always having to be the ones to educate. Yeah opening the ones that wanted to but don't say anything in this situation I would want to stick up for them not them but to protect them because they don't have to have that right exactly yeah and and they deserve protection. They deserve help and support with that just like you know everyone else exactly well. So i'm curious to hear about anti riot club and how that started how you got the idea for it and how it's evolved from the time when i just started this whole instagram blogging community. When i was in mexico of its way for months. And while i was out there trying to do a repealing another breeding a lotta healing with my own buddy image and i started talking about it to my fans to like. I said talking about On on my instagram obviously posting upright of you on holiday and engineer bikini. And i kinda saw like talking about my the entitles Like than ours trying to embrace About roles and you know who says that. I have this massive scar satellite and try to experiment with this way of talking about into public on. Started getting these messages from friends. Old friends friends new just while Realize that you felt this way. Obviously i need you. Dieting a law. But like it's really braved to talk about it and in really really impressed. I've feel that retain thought. I thought it was cool because guy's on said even Closest and oldest Is considered completely normal to hate yourself and talk about yourself like absolute crap anti yourself through Regimes all it's just not spiking about Living these lives Speaking about and i really gotta love nine Speaking people in the community in online community invited know the becoming friends. And when i got back. I just felt jobless at fast i was really looking for something that aligned with my values mice sole purpose than i was whacked than walking but i wasn't being fulfil my usual wack is in events knock saying love and it's fun but it just doesn't. I wasn't events that i believed in all content. That i really like filled me and then i thought i want to bring this amazing community that i found a line and i'd love to meet. I'd love to create my own though community in past. I might not have my friends into buddy acceptance movements politics. All i talked mike fleiss friends or family about it and i was talking to people online. I just allowed them show. There's people in london the wanna talk about this I loved sports event. So i'm gonna do. I'm gonna put on her then. Ataman invite people in hopefully people come and other invite elegant invite speakers to educate me and the people that are coming his That i wasn't speaker. I was just trying to create a space. That people talk about it. I think it was in my head. I though you'll be it'll be like a slimming club but look anything to slimming. Be opposite and we'll talk about wilshire and will snatch. We went way. Chevelle measure will have any that shave. Confessions isa do rounded Upset a i love that that of how the seeds were planted in my head and it took months months to actually be brave enough to do anything about it but i eventually came up with the name on site riot cloud which i thought was really cool. It kind of was rebellious. Reminded me of the purchase that used to be when i was young of small Yet i decided. I'm gonna get an in january of doesn't eighteen just announced to my friends. I'm staying in. This is how i feel in january bull shia Anyway that was tight but meghan craft speak essays surname london and she Our like the press picked up on it on it because it was sold out so hundred people can. Wow the ads the first one and that's kind of where we're from. that's huge. that's so amazing. That the first one you sold out and it speaks to. I think the desire for this kind of stuff. The hunger for this anti at content yet definitely it was felt. It felt like everyone was like we need this like edit widespread ridicule. They people were sending it to their friends and people with messaging me saying French seventy s Bring me my friends at school. With when i was eight ken they stopped back are at the beginning. I introduced myself until My journey and they came up through the cut. It's so funny. Told you about the stuff. Now because i in my insecurities bagel diet nas exchanging lists Talk second some people have even apologize. Who like boys who. I was friends with eighteen fourteen Install they sit back in apologize. Anita Now how damaging toxic and again that kind of culture was big. It was just young boys right and they were apart diet culture. Just like everyone else and absorbing those messages from the culture. I mean if live from friends can constantly ridicule fat people than watching dialect. Young kids absorbing stuff yeah. It's the cultural messages that give people the idea to do that. It's not it's not their own inception. I mean that's amazing and sounds so healing to to have people literally from childhood who were part of the inception of your own body. Shame to to apologize to recognize the error of their way. It's gotta feel so just healing. Yeah it's amazing at sheet. I haven't really thought about it. Light up until now and i think that's i feel very lucky to have this like integrated that into my life in this life. I really hope without something that other people can do i. Hopefully one day people can start their own onto dyke clubs communities because the online community is so powerful and is meyer into the whole movement. I'm to bringing politics into my life but the existence of this like in real life space i've created is definitely what's nourished me the most because i think i don't want to spend as much time online as i already do and i don't wanna feel optimize anymore identing that it's such like to blame to that but i i love the fact that we can meet in passan and enact in real life. It's possible yeah it's huge and it is. It is something that is so missing. I think from this community online. You know. I think it just speaks to the fact that a lot of people don't live in communities where the anti diet message exists and you know the only place they can find for it as online but i'm excited to hear about your bus and the fact that you're sort of taking anti riot club on the road because that also would see you know. I think it's one thing to do it in london which is awesome and so needed and london's probably a place that has more resources for anti diet stuff available versus like rural places right without a doubt it has lured into reaching clinic has more more increasing. Their up plays cabarets little spaces. The london's got so much going on. We constantly get messages from people. All live the k. And live loads like click here. Can you do here and we would love to. That would be amazing. If we could just fly drive will get to these places just It costs law in this. Venue costs Promoting and in my head. I just like how can i. How can i take this to other people in a way. That's not going to stress me out where you have to charge like five hundred dollars per event because it's so expensive. Yeah exactly 'cause it's expensive to run and then we started taking. I met harry rose. Who is the kind of kirk racist on iraq announces shooting. We started doing. We met out became friends. Instead of doing workshops at festivals together we become kind of separate people then prizes and then it wh- really well. We really love taking the kind of weighed watch do will about like engaging buddies being creative to people outside entities really amazing spaces and then off the back of the well. We could do boss. We could take a bus festivals. And that i thought actually around the k the great lot bus. It's like it's a rhyming events base. it's we can take out the seats. We can do. What trump's on the bus we could you talk from the boston. It could be like a hobby nation. We can have buddy posted library and book clubs. We can do plus size clothing. swaps Became a day land. We sought a crowd crowdfunding campaign site six week campaign to raise maya fifteen thousand dollars to build this ridiculous buffs. I did we did it. And now we all built it so we play the campaign in july but we never want to stop a torrent Twenty so it's gonna stop on its women's day in march eight next year. We got the bus now will just buying. The bus is big old white mercedes so passenger box and getting to that professionally into the anti riot. Bus eighty start in a city. Sheffield leeds in the uk and in trouble. Hopefully to kind of the four corners seventy-five tickets wales and gaas guide editor. Nichoslon the knoll and way down south coast as well popping up like popping stopping off at a few events festivals gatherings where we can along the way. I've loved that so much. That so cool that you had that idea just very creative and unique. I don't think i know anyone else who has a bus in this space like it definitely identified as usual response like. How do we get this message out. Though i'm gonna build a. I'm going to have a bus. But i think anti spirit is fun. I think it's cool. Eleven ready serious topics. And it's about casey in charing not support for each other. it's will say but riotous and bomb. I just wanted to be fun. I won't be able to feel like inspired. Like i will feel how i felt when i sold out with the people in living at best lies living collapsed in the gas. That's that's what i thought. Thought that trade. But it's a boss. Maybe one day a train also they can happen. We've got as well as we do. These workshops about we do like posted life during which is a We also do blueprinting. Which is all about celebrating types of boobs and we do sort of self love gratitude. Genuine excise size modeling which is empowering inclusive sheets and yet just like the plus size cutting swaps. Which i think is the riddick site by ronnie o'sullivan because they don't happen everywhere. On every important and healthy it can be Yeah helped people around the access to this stuff. I think it's amazing and so needed so. Tell us where people can find you and learn more about your work and your upcoming events so you probably would want head to our instagram because the website currently being refurbished. But it is w antidote. Right club care to e. k. So check it out otherwise. Act anti riot club. We also doing fast festival in january. And tonight right asked sire. That's all day workshops and talks. Experts campaign is armed. And basically all the pro pleasure at positives buddy positive the radical self love content. We talk about a line like in our thing live but all under one roof which i think is quite rare. So yeah we that's online now to get on sale otherwise do connect with us if you have one thing the bus to let your local town all your college oriented asti. Oh what place. New really want to connect with people all across the uk and maybe even europe. We just need people who live in areas to get in touch on that a snow and help us get ready. Well that's amazing. I'm so excited to share this message with everyone. And we'll put links to all that in the show notes that people can find you get in touch and have you come see them. I love it he had and hopefully you'll make it over to the us. At some point to love that. I would absolutely love that. I'm you know what i think you coming to you. Hey with your book because people were just absolutely love to conc- reading that thing and that's what we like sitting just like right. You need spaces where people could come together. Rebellion in our Away i love it. I definitely will keep you posted for sure when it comes to the uk so yes anti diet and anti diet riot club Collab- will be amazing. Yeah well thank you. So much becky. It's great talking with you. Thank you so much being such an on a. 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