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"ronco vic" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Now That was a good time cruises May he's had, you know 45 incredible rolls. Incredible rolls. But I least done was a little bit like this is just Tom Cruise being tigers. I can't deal with this white cocktail. Maybe kinda like cocktail. I did like doctor who likes cocktail. Well, that's different. We're drinking. We're not flying airplanes. I don't have any interest in what's wrong with flat airplane was adorable. She was adorable. No, perhaps somebody who's adorable. You know, top gun Had Meg Ryan America's sweetheart, she you know, she was crying. She's not in any way, everybody. I'm glad for you. So you and your buddy went back to when you're 11 years old. And you are apparently like it just came out. I was like, Oh, my gosh. Like this is this is, uh this is not good. This is not good. The top guns 35 years old. I thought I was only 35 years old. So Sort of your 46 market. I am your your older. What was the cruise movie? The weird sex movie where they Put on the costumes and, uh, would lurk or lurking around late at night. You see that film? No old boy. That's not. That's another one that we were so weird One time crews, but that one was disturbing where I couldn't actually get through it all. I'm like, what are they doing? I don't even I'm not even familiar with which one you're talking about. Find it. All right, somebody, Texas said Now one carry Maguire. He was kind of time crew, I'm sure sure. Sure. Lee Steinberg was my agent for 20 years. And lead it act like that, but we loved it because it was time. Cruz was like anywhere. That's gotta be a moment if Tom Cruise is playing you, even if it's just sort of unspoken if he's playing you in a movie that Z good. Remember? I called Lee right as I was leaving the theater. I'm like this is all BS. I did. He's like no everything in that movie happening. I'm like, really rain man. Come on. Well, some for rain man was a classic rain man. Are your mission? Impossible Fan. Yeah, I did see that. When I see most of these, the firm I'm trying to find the one that was really creepy. There were plenty that were there was plenty. They were pretty creepy. I feel like Val Khoury. Vanilla sky Collateral. Collateral was super. Did you watch collateral, which Jamie Foxx cab driver? I did see that movie. It's actually good in that knows a good movie, but it's not settling. It's very unsettling. I think probably Ronco Vic and four in the Fourth of July was his best work. I mean, that was chilling. It was amazing if you think about it really good. He was great man. Yeah, absolutely. The old records off the shelf. Go back to the original Risky business. He was great. Well, so top gun was only three years after risky business. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, And there by the way, How long have we been waiting for this? They're supposed to be I don't know if it's top gun to or the remake or whatever, 34 years of right I haven't vetted. Yeah, just just 21 my thumbs waiting for this to happen so Anyway popping landmark. Will it in for Lund can be our KBR FM San Francisco these sports later Susan Slusser will join us in a little bit S O. Where are we? Now? One full year and I know it was only 7 72 games, but I wanted to see where You sat on this particular fans Now that we've seen a full year of what Andrew Wiggins in a warriors uniform looks like What do you think? I love the guy. I've always liked him. I I didn't know I would like him this much. I love him. I think he's the perfect fit in every regard. You never hear a peep out of them. You know, like they say, they say about Clay Thompson. He's not low maintenance. He's no maintenance. The guy doesn't like the spotlight, which is no one. You're the number one overall pick. There's a certain cachet and a certain presence. Trade. Lance is very comfortable either way. I went to a 40 Niner rookie camp on Saturday. So we'll talk about that before. Maybe Ochoa want comes in. And 12 30 have a lot of thoughts about trade but trace very comfortable in the spotlight. You know, he's just very Lab and has things to say, and he says them well. Andrew just wants to show up and play. And I think there was a huge burden on him obviously early, his career in Minnesota with the number one pick and to save a franchise and Um, when you watch him now, though, I don't see a weakness in his game. I think he is a first of all. He's a great on ball. Offender, and I'm wondering that that's what this match up Wednesday night does concern me. On up like Cusumano played Caruso in the play The Big Spain the big pain, Marcus all off the bench. They got guys, but You know they're going to start with shrewder. And then you know, they got KCP Contagious. Caldwell Pope and I got you know Andre, the giant changes the way they play. I've my goal would be to run him right off the court. And I don't know if he could keep up. But he's gonna cause problems, and he's more skilled, shooting the ball even making free throws his dexterity you got Anthony Davis Draymond can deal with Anthony Davis. So I guess Wiggins is gonna draw LeBron Which is going to be and he does guard LeBron well, even last year in the Meandering 15 and 50 year when Steph only play, you know, parts of five games, and Draymond was indifferent about it all. Andrew Wiggins whenever he would go up against LeBron He was a different dude. He he would guard him really well. And I think from talking to people in Minnesota, it was because you know, LeBron got him traded. You know what? The number one pick right away and they wanted to go. You know, Kyrie, and they wanted a different way. So in any event I think that's a matchup over concerns me shrewder. So, uh, You know, I you're gonna have to put step maybe based more on shrewder and try too hard, Stefan. Contagious Caldwell Pope, but I don't want And the one thing we're talking to bring in pain about is he's gonna get. I know James is gonna pick him out. And whoever staff is guarding is going to set a ball screen for LeBron and get stuff to switch on LeBron. And I think LeBron eyes going to see a different Steph Curry. He's more physically. Able to push back against him. But if you're gonna get into a battle of strength in the in the half court LeBron's gonna win, so just do not get into foul. Trouble is the key thing stuff has got to go into this game. And I think he's doing a great job where there's overall, you know, Card way. Batteries in great shape is physically stronger his upper body There'd be a lot of games where he had a couple of reaching files. Six minutes into the game is like, damn, he's out. You cannot do this. This is a game seven. Well, I mean, you could lose the game, but the whole reason you going down there is to win the game. So you got to stay out. But Andrew Wiggins, I think I'll meet the moment for Ah, Lot of reasons s O. I love I love Andrew Wiggins will have to get a contract extension. He's already got a huge one. So you're fine. That is the heist of the You know, that's one of the greatest trades ever and I couldn't believe it when they made the trade because Molly I was talking about trading for Andrew Wiggins all at last year, But Wigan's got off to a great start, and there's no way they're going to do that. They're not gonna trade him. And then what? We gotta one. I would have given them a one. D'Angelo Russell. That's what Russell Angela Russell to get him the hell out of here. And Wiggins. You know, there's times where it looked like he's a little too cool for school. But that's just that's just his gait. He's a great player, but really the guy. That is elevated this and I know this is still Anthony Davis. This is still the guy you know he could hide and purple and gold and, you know, be camouflaged by James and the whole or of being a Laker, and he played great. Last year he won But this is the stone. Still a guy. That the Warriors went through like a knife through butter early to win those championships or to get to the finals. Draymond guards him well. So is he going to try to get low post position and catch it under the basket? Restricted circle. Bottom of the circle. How deep you're getting and Draymond can root him out. So I love that match up. What concerns me is Drummond Come on. You know Valanciunas was a wrecking crew yesterday. That guy, Maybe I have to see him on Friday night. You got a better plan for him? I also wonder about Jordan Bell a little bit. Just on James..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Bald Movies
"You know like this this. This was like an. Fresh thought in one, thousand, nine, hundred nine, but like you know the the various black men in both army veterans hospital. They're like fuck. Vietnam, essentially talking, you know Muhammad Ali like what I don't have any problems. The Vietnamese I got a problem with the people that are keeping me down here in this country and identify their struggle against oppression more than I identify with what my my own government's trying to do. And, that's the thing that really really upsets me. The the facile way that we still engage with these debates that like Oh. You must hate if you don't. You know America. Lover Leave it. Yeah, and they may, and they hammer that phrase into the ground Yeah, maybe like it's all. It's all Tom Cruise. It's all the broncos can say coming back from the war. You know that's that's his entire viewpoint is America one hundred percent love it or one hundred percent? Get the fuck out like road. And that's not real life that is that is patriotism at its worst. That blind patriotism is is in my opinion, not patriotism at all If. You are unquestioning if you're unthinking. And you simply. Have viewpoint the you stick to it, no matter what evidence you're presented with no matter. How in Congress, it is with reality. That's not an ideology you should be living by. Yeah, but I mean. And one hundred percent right in super, it is brought to a head. I think in the at the RNC seen when RONCO VIC having. Having taken his entire adult life to change his mind on this subject has finally come around to to a reason to an understanding of the situation in an understanding of his ideology, and it goes into this RMC where all he's confronted with shouts of Communist show like. Of baby killer like shooting, being spit on him I spit on like it's He? He's come to some sort of understanding about the world. These people have not had the experience have not had the opportunity to even approach right because their ideology keeps them from even thinking about it. And it's the does also another tough scene. I thought then the bar where you know, he is essentially bitching about the Vietnam War and he offends war. Vets like look buddy, I find Iwojima and five thousand of my brothers died day one of the landing, and I'm so fucking sick and tired of hearing. You Guys Bitch about and crying your beer like. That's not an invalid point of view. Right and like Ron Kovic. Who Goes to the experiences? He goes through takes years to turn his mind around, and it's one of those things where it's like. As much as I be Mon happening and the way it's talked about like I can't get too upset about it. Because I know, it's taken my mind a lot of years to change on some very important kind of obvious and retrospect issues, and it's taken me and and and you know when you get presented. Accurate information takes years to change your mind, and if it's Ron that long, the turnaround on Vietnam War. Well, how long would you expect of world, War Two vet or a a Korean? That lost their parents in that war or loss of brother in that war. or who just has the default kind of public understanding of this stuff like you know like believes that the government's not going to tell you a bunch of fucking obvious lies, and is not going to lie about how winnable war is and how much support you have. It's like I. It's one of those things where it's like damn. None of these people are enemies. They're just yeah. You know that's what's so frustrating about the conversation. That's happening now is that it's not conversation. It's glenside shouting the other down. Exactly like you see that scene at the RNC it's it's shouting Communist. It's people shouting fascist, and it's not a conversation it is..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Bald Movies
"I'm always skeptical of like you know. What does he amping up? What is he leaving out I feel like this film. Because it's based on first of all, he's got first-hand knowledge. You know he he served. He saw combat If you didn't know he'd like Ronco Vic. voluntarily enlisted early on war, nineteen, Sixty, eight, I think April sixty eight joined, the army requested combat, service, spent over I. Think I think two years in Vietnam two Purple Hearts got a bronze. star with a V. for valor in combat I mean he knows what the fuck he's talking about. He's made to the best movies about Vietnam and I felt like because he respects that and ron story like this stuff. Even stuff where they're. You know when you got the obligatory Terry I feel like Seeing of the G. is shooting up village that may or may not have been harboring. You know communist sympathizers if they weren't before, they are now and and and killing the kids and killing the babies and. The fratricide and all that kind of stuff, but Oliver Stone also is a very good job of putting you kind of in. The that that experience. And and you know see how confusing that would be to see the pressure of like you see the rifle DC derail. Your commanding officer is like telling you what you see. Are you going to be? The Person Says No, and then what happens if one of your friends dies? And the same thing when he comes home, and he's in the Va hospital like you are disgustingly there in that in in the squalor and kind of like you can see the budget cuts, and you can see the lackadaisical attitudes, and he's really good at that, and not for nothing. He's Johnny Williams propping him up on the score so every single fucking emotional beat that you need to connect these dots of this man's internal conflict is a it fires on all cylinders cinematic Louis and and I think this is some of his best work. It's sort of a crazy choice to put crews at the the. The front of this.
"ronco vic" Discussed on Bald Movies
"Everybody, welcome back to another ball. That movie podcast this time we are looking at the Oliver Stone Nineteen, eighty nine film born on the fourth of July. It's based on the book of the same title written by Ron, Kovic, which is about his life story growing up in small town America going over to Vietnam as an ardent supporter of the war, coming back and becoming part of the antiwar. Protest, movement Oliver, stone and Ron Kovic worked together on a screenplay Oliver. Stone. Of course, also Vietnam veteran of some distinction It stars Tom Cruise thing my nose. Tom Cruise's as RONCO VIC. curious Sedgwick who you might remember as the terrible mom from secondhand lions and the Shitty John Travolta movie phenomenon. She's also start for many years on TNT's the closer Raymond J. Barry who I do not recognize as Arlo givens the father of one railing givens from justified. Enjoyed Frank Whaley which you might most know him as the bret with the big brain from pulp fiction. Willem Dafoe, do we? Do we need to talk about Willem? dafoe Spam Agassi. I mean put not going through anyway. Platoon lasted cries Mississippi Burning Spiderman shadow of the vampire boondock. Saints, Antichrist's just a small selection. born on the fourth of July, received an eight nominations, including best picture and best actor for Tom Cruise, which was his first nation, and at one for best director Oliver. Stone's second is. I was platoon and best film editing. Boy this. Is a this I've never seen this before I. Don't know if you had and I kinda knew a roughly what it was about. and I still found that a difficult film the watch, not because of anything any problem. The filmmaking is just frustrating because it does feel like watching us in twenty twenty in many ways. American politics has never moved on from the Vietnam War yeah. What did you think filmed him? Yeah, I hadn't seen it either Really the only thing I knew about it, going in was that it was an for stone directed Tom Cruise starred a movie about the Vietnam. War which you know to our defy bloods review. I'm very unfamiliar with history of the Vietnam War. and you know the politics surrounding it and so. I guess I didn't know much of what to expect from this film. But ended up really liking it I think..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Now Playing - The Movie Review Podcast
"I didn't know if is the makeup. Something looks off sometimes with them. I see him straining. I believe his pain if we are determining good acting based on the fact that he's transmitting. What the character is going through? Absolutely the problem is I'm not feeling it because the movie itself is it connecting to viewpoint like I've never been on his side because I've been waiting for him to convert. I've never enjoyed being with Ron. I guess what I'm really saying is I feel like crews is doing a good job but the movie is letting him down. I think he's doing okay. I can't say that I've been completely brought into his journey. But some of his speeches and things I can go with then. I do believe his body language in his wheelchair work. You know we weren't going to included but I have to say him going back to get a Mexican hooker. It like a lunatic. Callback lost year in. Mexico is like wow this is. It's funny that we started with losing it. I'm Kinda glad we did now. It's interesting book end. This is discussed in the book. Is this something that was well known that there's just these retreats that wounded vets go to you to get hookers and get away from everything was in there and yeah. I mean it was again. A lot of this was told more interesting way. I think what we're watching here ultimately is him losing his virginity. I don't think that it's been implied that he ever got with Donna or any other girl in high school so he was robbed of his guerrilla a virgin and so now why this was meaningful in the book. The way it came across was he hired a hooker explained to her. I can't have sex with you but just hold me. And she couldn't do it she could fuck is all day long but she couldn't be emotionally vulnerable and she ran away and so it was a powerful moment but here. I just kind of plays like cruises given it on. He falls in love with the hooker her jewelry and then he he sees her with another jaw and that crushes whatever moment they had in that room. Yeah he he thought he was a risky business for a moment and turned out he was losing it. Incidentally maybe the reason why. He's selling this moment so well as running at the same time they were filming. This Mimi Rogers was talking to the tabloids and there was things being printed in the press about she wasn't pregnant yet and it was due to cruises low sperm count so again. Maybe he could draw from real life. He's a method actor. He could really sell the idea and the pain of the fact that he can't have sex with this woman. According to Oliver Stone Kovac is still a virgin. I mean I guess you know. He was robbed of ever losing his virginity when he lost his Johnson. Right yeah here it plays like they do have some kind of Saxe right. Is that how it comes off? I think she likes simulates it so it makes them feel good like she's acting like she's having sex. She's of like a mother figure. Well you get it from Willem. Defoe is if you don't have it in your hip. She got gotTa have it in Your Lips. She's not sitting on his face. No no but I wondered if there was fingers and use or something but depending on how strict on your definition of virginity he may not ever be able to shed that what was the word that stone user with something like he is permanently. Immaculate is definitely like she has a Virgin Mary Quality Maria the way he buys her a crucifix all of this coming back to the mother theme again mother of Christ. He's starting to look like Jesus Christ Beard Ponytail. Maybe not so much. They're working some kind of religious themes here and again working. That idea of the mother is always important to him and always in his mind. I was actually excited to get down to Mexico when I found out Willem Dafoe. I saw his name the credits. He's finally going to show up as Charlie and I guess like everything. He comes in for a couple of scenes and then leaves the film. Yeah very disappointing. Tom Sizemore to. I had no idea Tom. Sizemore was a thing like before natural born killers and true romance but Tom Sizemore one of those down there and Jason Gastric poor star of Iron Eagle. It's one thing to take the star Outgun and smear him like that has an emotional resonance Iron Eagle. You're kind of already besmirched in my mind. So Willem Dafoe here though. I did expect more from him. Because it's Willem Defoe. And he was such a big thing and platoon a year. I guess I don't quite get how his broken nece changes Ron and his worldview. Yeah in the book. This is a composite character. There was no charlie. I was wondering if they even use that. Because that's a slang term for the Viet Cong like again. They're using it because yes willem dafoe oliver stone a favor because platoon was such a career maker for him. And you know he's a good actor. I love their scene here. It's kind of ironic scene. In which things just? Tom Cruise literally takes the worm. He's been hanging out in these ugly bars and he's he drinks Tequila Mesko worm and before you know it. They're being thrown out of a taxi. Cab and like rolling on the dirt road fighting out of their wheelchairs. It does feel like hitting rock bottom. I suppose if the point is is that Ron has descended into his lowest state. Maybe it is fighting with. Willem dafoe in the dirt and just feel like Willem. Dafoe was supposed to be lake the road Ron could take if he keeps going like if he keeps drinking and things he could end up punching a hooker in the mouth because she laughs at him because his dick doesn't work and he decides from Charlie. That's not the life he wants. He's going to stop drinking and go back home. But I'm trying to project a lot because this movie doesn't really tell me I'm just trying to use standard storytelling tropes and try to figure out how Willem dafoe fits in no. I think you did an admirable job. I think that's what he ends up. Meaning whether that was the intention or whether there were things about him that got shortened by the editors in the end. He's some guy that you don't want be. And yes I do feel like Ron. The fact that they cut away from that scene to him on a bus back in America tells me enough of this shit no more Mexico. I'm going to take responsibility for my life. We're at the climax of the film somehow and I think I'm going to judge Ron a little bit. Here he's going to go back. The soldier Wilson that he shot. He's going to go and see his family. I know this is a big deal for gotTa make this confession that Catholic deal still all over him. I feel bad for this family and going back to our forrest. Gump here's a family. Where every member is fought like in every war. That America's had you know they talk about the civil war and all that and he just wouldn't that crush you like if someone came. Oh your son Yeah. He didn't die heroically. I accidentally shot him. It was friendly fire. This is the moment where my Arrow decided it is entirely read because this is such a horrible trite seen that are quote unquote protagonist of the film there to tear a family apart with grief so that he can not feel guilty anymore okay so it came off the same way to use. It did to me. I understand why you would take that tack. I think there are other ways of looking at it. I would make the argument that this movie is about telling the truth that the government lies. He's not going to be Aligarh. They deserve not to be spoon. Fed the lies but to know the truth. He wants to live in truth. He wants to be sober so while harsh. You can make the case. It's better to know what really happened. Then to believe a myth all right. Let me point out the entire irony of this then. This never happened Ronco. Vic Did suffer guilt for what he did but knew that going to tell the family about it would make him feel better but make them feel worse and yet stone decided he wanted to put it in the film anyway. So this whole scene about truth is ally. Well Yeah and he published a book where he told this so imagine. Someone handed the family a copy at something. They're not using the real name probably. Yeah I gotTA imagine. He changed the name. But I'm guessing that you didn't have Taylor then come to him with a copy of the book signing and say I can never forgive you but maybe the Lord can but again it's a part of the motif mothers like you can see while ronkovics mother in this film never has the moment where she says. I'm proud of you. Having this woman the man he killed his mother saying we understand the pain. You've been going through. Feels like some kind of Catharsis. It feels like some kind of forgiving of the fact that he couldn't forgive himself for and this is why I hate the scene and why it has decided that this is not recommend for the whole movie. I mean I haven't been loving this movie thus far but the fact that he's there like I accidentally killed your son Eh. The mother's like Oh it's okay. Don't feel and it becomes about him. Yeah there's no emotion from this family. Well they're repressed and I mean I get what you guys are saying. But you're you're a little hard on it. I mean I don't think he's wrong for making the effort to do this and I'm not sure how anyone would respond if they were being told again as this family talked about their son. I'm like Oh he's GonNa come to the realization that maybe some lies are Ok but nope. He's I duNNo. It comes off a selfish to me. It's all about his receiving forgiveness. Even though I guess the irony is the wife does say I can't forgive you. Yeah I don't feel like it's unified. Response one mother says I get over this but at least I know and the other one. The one that reminds Kovac of his own mother is going to pardon him and give him the strength he needs to keep telling truth and go to the nineteen seventy two. Republican convention. Yes somehow out of this. He decides to become an anti war protester. I just wish I saw that journey more clearly again. I thought most of this film was going to be Vietnam. And then he realizes things fucked up there and he turns into an antiwar protester. He becomes anti war in the last minutes of this film. He's antiwar in this as long in this film as as much time as he spends a Vietnam about ten minutes. Yeah agreed and again. We can't know for sure if that's by design or whether all that good stuff we would love just couldn't fit into the skeletal structure that the editor symbols here. It kind of doesn't matter because it's not in the film. Yeah ultimately we can. We have the book and we have this movie and the movie is already taken liberties and is trying to create a new climax. That's ROIC The original one was confessional. The book was like this is where I'm going to tell you what I did and the movie is going to say. This is where I became a real man and stood up to bad authority figures like Nixon and all the people that are going to block my path to the microphone and it did make the TV cut again. This is what Oliver Stone saw when he was watching. Television in nineteen seventy two and this. Republican convention is a composite of several things. That the real ronkovics did it's putting more Hollywood ending on it and of course by putting villain there and stone loves no villain better than a Republican president like Nixon. Yeah again it. All goes back to Vietnam for him. Nixon whatever you felt like he might have done with China and other policies. I mean other people who Nixon isn't a villain to I know I don't think that Nixon's presidency is entirely villainous. I mean he made inroads to China and and there are things that he did that for. You Know Watergate's and bombing Cambodia. It's hard to overlook those things but yes. I don't think that every portrait of Nixon has to be one of contempt but the point is he's back at the Democratic National Convention at the end and this is ironic because when he was at the. Va He was screaming at those people that would dare burn those flags and go to that convention and now he's one of those people he has had that arc even if. I'm not sure I entirely saw every step of the path. Yeah the jump to suddenly being at the Democratic National Convention feels like that had to have been important in the book. Because I don't get why that's a good climax here other than yes we again as I mentioned. Get Newman from Seinfeld..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Now Playing - The Movie Review Podcast
"It's just it's so idyllic and I think that's what they're going for. Oh clearly yeah. It just falls flat for me. Yeah Jacob when I was watching this movie I wasn't even experiencing how I thought of it. I was like how mad is Jacob Right. Now they're doing this much Americana because this thing is drenched they do everything. But whip out an apple pie like it is mom and baseball and kids in suburbia. They play the Song American Pie. You're right here's here's the thing. Maybe this is how it wasn't nineteen fifty-six and Long Island I don't know none of us were alive then but it just because I know Oliver Stone in his tendencies. This feels again. He wants to paint with this broad scope. Everyone's love it or leave it. You're going to die for this country which yes. I'm sure that was a popular opinion. Relate the Communist. I know that was a popular opinion. But the way it comes off in this opening. It's just too strong for me. Yeah the book starts with Ron. Kovic getting shot twice in the chest. Louis Learn who? He is first and foremost as someone that got paralyzed on the battlefield and eventually we find when he goes home. That this is the home that he was fostered in where he developed his ideas. I would have been interesting to take that tax but they decided to break the story out in chronological fashion. Apparently the other thing. That's interesting is win. Oliver Stone made his assembly cut. Which is the first pass and putting the movie together. Everything that you want to get in there. It was twelve hours long. What was it just the whole guys life? Well yeah I mean maybe maybe it was thirty six years long. I don't know. But the point was is that there's a whole lot about young Ron. That was filmed establishing his relationships with his friends. Who this girl. Donna was all this stuff that would echo what the later crews in all the people that are going to play these people as semi adults later are going to experience and that just gets lost it ends up becoming a montage and not a single deleted seed on the fucking blu-ray. Yeah I think we see PRE-VIETNAM RONCO VIC in Vietnam War which I thought would be a lot of this movie again knowing Oliver Stone. And he's gotTa take his jobs but no we spent so much time. And there's all these kids at the beginning. Hey let's play war and I'm trying to keep up with these kids and okay. Where's the irony is gonNA come out where this kid says something and then you know something? Ironic happens during Vietnam. It's a lot of stuff going on. I don't feel like there's a whole lot of payoff or paying bis close of attention to it. No it's thirty minutes that you spend with young Kovac before he gets to Vietnam and we do literally spent twelve minutes in Vietnam and unfortunately it is just this montage of Americana even filmed in like a Sepia tone. Where it's like. I'm watching a thirty minute opening credits to the show. The wonder years which was a big head at the time. I'M NOT GONNA say anything bad about our Richardson as a cinematographer. I think he's great. He's doing what he's asked but yes definitely feels like the music video version of the nineteen fifties. It feels reductive. I mean maybe that's the point. This was the dream America needed to wake up from. And so yeah. This is somebody that will have all of this. Destroy Right now. They're playing war and it's a kids game by the end of it. Obviously he has the adult perspective. But we'll see stuff like Ron's brother playing Bob Dylan and okay Renault where that character is GonNa go. He's he's going to be against the war. But how does a character in this kind of very strict Patriotic Catholic family? End Up playing. Bob Dylan becoming a hippie like I wanted to get more in this family dynamic. That is not what this film is about. So just plays offices one-sided I wouldn't even say argument just kind of mocking at a post World War Two anti-communist ideals but I'm not going to be as mad as you are about this Jacob. It's a broad stroke. I get it you got mad at planet of the apes because it was too one sided but this movie is not one sided. Because here we're seeing one side of it here get you feel. This is a good argument for being a patriot. And love it or leave it. This language is so outdated. Well it's supposed to be the fifties. Yeah but it's been made in almost the nineties and I'm looking for some kind of nuance and that's not what I'm going to get here. No but I'm not gonNA argue with the language being period specific. I'm going to argue with the fact that we don't spend enough time here to really get anything other than look at this kid. He plays baseball. He likes this little girl and he's liked her his whole life. Yeah he's GonNa run in the rain to go see her at the prom but they'll get together when he comes home from Vietnam but Donna doesn't become much of a character just to real clear. Ten minutes of this child actor playing Ronco Vic and then he goes away and Tom Cruise comes back to high school one more time. I thought he was done with it after risky business and all the right moves but no one more time we get Tom. Cruise Twenty six years old actor. He's twenty-six here. I don't know I think he does pull it off. Usually at eighty films have forty year olds playing high school students but Tom Cruise. He looks young he could still pull off senior. I think I disagree. He is wearing some braces there. That do not look right. That looks like how they try to de agent those braces that made him in his mouth to stick out not just that but he'll later he'll have leg braces so. I think they're drawing contrast there. I didn't catch that one but when we get Tom Cruise in the role. I like it a little better. All we get is that he is Patriot like events America. He loves it. He's GonNa go to you know as a child of the fourth of July parade and see wounded vets and cheer them because they serve the country during World War Two. The Marines Com. Tom Barringer a platoon actor getting cameo. Here there's a lot of them not just a platoon actor the embodiment of American military corruption. The guy that basically caused the massacre platoon. The guy you just hate is all scarred up now here. He is selling the lie to an auditorium full of high school kids and of course. Kovac is completely into the idea of not just serving his country. But the Marines are the elite. You don't want to be in the air farce. You WanNa be in the Marines. A top gun joke right except he was in the navy and top gun. That's true I keep getting that. But with the whole point of we want the best and we will accept nothing but the best sounds like dialogue from top gun. They're taking that in twisting. That's the subversion of using Tom Cruise in Oliver Stone's hand. He'll be like yeah. Let's see how maverick candles NAM. Let's see how long he smiles when he goes over there. Yeah there's a line about. Hey you better hurry and sign up because the Marines are just going to win this war so fast. You'RE GONNA miss out if you don't again. Okay I like the irony there. I I see what you're doing but I do wish that there was just more to it here like we see Cura Sedgwick as the grown up version of this blonde girl. He liked as a kid. And I think this is really gonNA come back all right a movie. I kept flashing to this entire time watching it because I've seen it so much more often now is forrest gump. Yeah I kept going there too as I thought this was totally Jenny Mel. It is in a way I mean. She is the girl that he'll never get the love of his life that can never be but he forced ended up getting Jenny for period. I mean admittedly. She was dying but I always saw the movie once in one thousand nine hundred four. Oh Wow yes putting that aside I would say they both have the attitude of looking at this personal story as some kind of tragedy or loss the fact that these high school sweethearts don't get together in Forrest. Gump and in this movie is used partially at least in this movie as a way of tracking how different an off course. Ron's life goes and we get this really melodramatic moment where he didn't ask her to. Prom on time and yet he's going to run in the rain to from without a ticket presumably at yet still get in and ask her to dance once before he and enlisted in the Marines. The other important relationship that I think is here and is a motif throughout the movie is mom mom is the one if you pay attention close. She's always the one that's really driving him like she's the one that agrees. Communism must stop. He asked his dad. Do you want me to go over there. And the DAD's like I really don't want you to I want. I want you to be happy. The DADS World War. Two Vet Right. Yes from what? I've heard a lot of world war two vets. They came home and they just wouldn't talk about it. Seems like that's the case here. But mom's always like she's very supportive in doting with at the same time if she finds a playboy magazine or he loses a wrestling match. That disapproval is always there. Yeah that look on her face. When he loses that wrestling matches very telling Stone said in the commentary that he met kovocs mom while making the film in the seventies and this is the perception he got from her is that she was always pushing Ron for excellence and that a lot of the things that ron did might have been influenced by his mother. System wanted to put that in the film. He really believes this. Does he claim that his mom really had this prophetic dream that he talked before this large crowd. Because this scream just Hollywood we gotta bring it full circle to me. It's not in the book again. It does feel like some kind of Freudian. Oedipus thing that yeah. The filmmaker put in although ronkovics name is on the screenplay this definitely feels like Oliver Stone Shaping. The story and trying to say mother is going to drive you across the seas. And then you're going to start killing mothers and babies and a work with this as a theme. Yeah and I gotTa thank that Kovak working with Oliver Stone especially the second time after the Oscar and stones us well. This is what we need to make a good movie. He's going to be like okay. Sure it doesn't portray my story go for anything to get it made. I do think that at this point. Kovac lived in La and again you just you spend a decade waiting for your book that you wrote to say like you know he probably would have been cool with him turning it into platoon to like in just having Charlie Sheen. His story suddenly becomes. Charlie Sheen's next adventure but I'm glad that didn't happen for all of our complaints. I would say that I'm still more or less waiting for the movie to begin. Its Oliver Stone. We know it will really begin. Once we get to Vietnam Ghana allusion is to be washed away. Yeah in this was the big shocked me when we get to Vietnam Oliver Stone. Oh we're going to see every war crime that America's been accused of. Well we're going to see some fog of war and some bad intel. But I'm surprised. How focused is stone is with the time we're going to spend in Vietnam? Well he did that already right. I mean Yeah. Why not do it again at one of the Oscar? Well No. I'm thinking he's intentionally shying away. What shocked me is. My memories of platoon are pretty strong. And we never go into the jungles. Everything here is again shot. Through kind of a brownish filter Agent Orange was what I called it. Oh Yeah just doesn't even look like platoon. Sure it feels like platoon when they slaughter a family but it doesn't look like platoon. Yeah there at a beach at one point. I definitely think it was a conscious choice not to be in the same area of Vietnam as platoon and we do not spend much time there but man everything important happens in ten minutes. We're going to slaughter a family. Yeah that last half hour is not very tight but this ten minutes. It's the entire movies revolve around this. So here's what I got to ask..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Now Playing - The Movie Review Podcast
"The movie languished for a Long Time Until Platoon Cova. Just write his book then seventy seven. Yes it would have been brand new. Yeah there was a little more behind that once it was a book was optioned and a couple of writers came and went and it was Pacino. Really the driving force there as well as his agent and they brought in Oliver Stone to give it a rewrite because Pacino didn't like the script and they had a director wasn't Oliver Stone because he wasn't a director back. Then it was William Freakin. Oh okay that makes sense in the seventies and freed kin and Pacino. Both backed out and the movie went to. Shit and stone. Said Toco Vic you know I really believe in the script and if I ever make it as a director where I can choose my projects I promise you I will make this movie until your story and a little over a decade later. He kept that promise and he could do that because he got cloud because he did become an Oscar winning director in one. Thousand nine hundred. Eighty six really flip the script on Vietnam. Hollywood was trying to rewrite it like you know. We'll have Rambo go back and win the war like it's not so bad and then we had all this. The second wave of Vietnam Films Platoon was the most successful. That really had US looking at it as a failure for American policy and to the American soldier. And maybe we'll get a chance to review that I did not rewatch it for this. I've seen it a couple of I remember thinking it was okay. I remember it being one of the few riverstone films that I actually liked. I always feel like his stuff gets messy and he's got a lot of ideas and they never quite come together for me but that one. I remember being all right. I'll let you hold onto those memories. I did go back and watch it. I I personally I will say for me. Did Not hold up. I saw the movie in theaters at a very impressionable age and it was one of the first war movies I ever saw and I thought so powerful now seeing a lot of war movies and going back to it. I'll say this much. Charlie chained for me is a huge problem in it. I've already mentioned. I don't think he's a very good actor. I think that movie is proof of that. And if they're going to remake it if they're gonNA make a platoon to and do it with Tom. Cruise trading up. I think it's a good thing that he didn't get Ching back because there was discussion of that there was some thought that now that stones going back to Vietnam can take the young actor that helped make that movie a hit and no I would not want to see Charlie Sheen born on the fourth of July. When stone was hired to do rewrites on born the fourth of July he had already written platoon as well as a sequel to platoon long before he ever filmed it he wanted to do a second movie discussing basically because stone was in Vietnam more as a journalist than warrior but he did serve over in Vietnam he wanted to tell one movie about the war but then another about the experience of coming back having been a soldier at so that movie script existed was ready before he ever shot frame platoon that he could have brought sheen back and just done the follow up with his own story. Right yeah I remember hearing about a platoon to and I always thought that this movie was that it morphed into that but the truth is born on the fourth of July is a true story. We're covering another biopic and those are problematic right. I mean we haven't done to many aviator almost killed Arnie. We all like a day but it was mostly bs right. We all agree. It wasn't a true story American splendor. I think we all liked. That's true I did like that. One disaster to throw in that one as well but those felt kind of true but there was again. Here's where they always get tripped up. I feel like it's like you know as a writer. Sometimes your job is to clean up the inherent messing this of real life and put facts in the context. That's very easily understood. And that means throwing away truth right if you have to be true to the story. Well that may not be a very good movie. Yeah life does not follow a three extra pressure. Yeah I do think that part of the problem maybe reason Al Pacino didn't like the script is Ronkovics was working on it and yeah it's the story is well. I read the book. I thought it was a very good book. I know that currently it is assigned reading in history classes for students that are learning about the Vietnam War and wanting to get perspective on the American soldier at that time and why it became such a controversial issue back home. And that's all great but I do think telling. This story is tricky. The book actually did it. Non Chronologically Sometimes Kovac would write in third person. Sometimes he would put himself in the story or he would distance himself but what comes across his voice most cleanly. What you hold on to is the fact that all of this is real and it's coming from a man with huge authenticity to make it with somebody else actors and if you don't accept that it's a true story is it a good story is i. Guess what I would say you. Were going to spend two and a half hours waiting for a guy to get woke is. I think problem with telling born on the fourth of July the way that this movie is going to be just as much of a problem is Oliver Stone who guys. He's kind of political when she say like He. He will politicized things and again. When you have a message you want to get across. That feels like it takes away from real life which is much more nuanced. Yes I have always had that problem with him sometimes. Muckraking is fun. Sometimes you really just want someone to be extreme until you their perspective and not look at any other sides but I think certainly in talking about the Vietnam War it begs a careful approach and stone is a Vietnam vet. He has a right to say the truth that he believes but it can make it all kind of one dimensional when talking about biopic though I feel like there's two different types there's the type of there's a famous person people care about this famous person and so we're going to capitalize on that by making a movie about them and into this. I'd put that Elton John Movie and Bohemian rhapsody. Ray Ali aviator these are movies that only exist because they're about famous people but then you've got the biopic about people. They're based on true stories. But these aren't people you know other than what you tell me about this being assigned reading in high school. I don't think the name RONCO VIC just rolls off People's lips and it certainly didn't back in the eighties. It may have been a known book. But Ron Kovic wasn't such a famous person that you would drop everything to make a movie about him. Thinking is going to draw in a fan base and I'd also say like the pursuit of happiness one of those. You know that Will Smith movie. It's based on a true guy and a true story but what makes it interesting. Is The story not the person? So that's what gives me hope about this one is? You're not telling me about when Elvis went to war. You're telling me about this guy and the story so that story must be pretty damn interesting and something that people think can be told in a two hour movie point taken but I would argue this much. Kovac would have been known because he was the proverbial Vietnam vet that got spat on like. You always hear that terminology when they came back. We spat on them. We treated them so badly. Kovac was really spat on on. Live television back. In the day nineteen seventy-two Nixon is accepting. We're GONNA see it in this movie you know. He's accepting the nomination. Oliver Stone said I was watching. Tv live when suddenly the cameras were talking to this guy in a wheelchair and someone came up and said you're not a patriot and went and so notoriety and fame but you know like people would have known that he was that guy and he became a face of the Vietnam protest along with Jane Fonda. Who again is the celebrity? You're talking about that. We usually focus on. I'm saying that people may have known I mean yes. He did speak at the Democratic National Convention back when Jimmy Carter was going to win the presidency. The book sold. Well I mean it was known but it's not like you're putting his name in the title you know when it's a famous person. Oftentimes it's the name in the title. Here it's born on the fourth of July. It is the date he was born. It's the title of his book. Which is the crazy thing. I'd never seen this movie before but I knew that title. Oh it tells me everything. Here's a guy that bleeds red white and blue is metaphorically on the fourth of July. And then he's GonNa get woke to the Vietnam War No. He's literally born on the fourth of July. That was a big shock for coming into. This film is so literal. That's kind of what I mean about adapting this. It's almost so ironic that it begs credibility it's like If it were true you wouldn't believe it like if someone just said I wrote the story and handed it to me. I'd be like well. Nobody's going to buy this and that's that's too much. You're pushing the envelope too much with this. We have to keep telling ourselves yes. This really happened. That's baked into the cake right. Like we have to accept that what we're being presented is factual and that makes it meaningful in a way that if it were fiction maybe it would be less. Well also I just think you hit on it. The eighties were a time for reconciling. The Vietnam War. I always remember and I think I might have even brought it up on a previous podcast. There was a time life book series called the Vietnam War and there were this ad where this little kid goes up to her father for his father. Dad What's Vietnam? I remember this. Yeah and then this voiceover. What's Vietnam a simple question? That doesn't have a simple answer by our set of eighteen books to know about Vietnam. It was in the Zeitgeist in such a way back. Then we were making amends was more important it was more meaningful in the seventies to talk about it but by the Eighties. The damage had been done. We felt guilty right. We felt bad that we hadn't done right by the soldiers. I think there's that I'm going to put forth my own theory too. We were winning the Cold War. At that time we were having a major victory and Korea and Vietnam. Were both wars. That were fought out of the Cold War because it was you know America versus Russia but Russia was using Korea and Vietnam as proxies so now we were able to claim some kind.
"ronco vic" Discussed on Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast
"Sometimes it'll be a high school teacher. taking a risk in their career and talking to the students honestly get him to read. Major Danny's book if it ever gets published. A hope it does. He's writing another one on patriotism which is going to be published by heyday press. I hope it's a used widely in schools. Some teacher who uses major Danny's book on Patriotism Questioning as George Washington. Did as right. Is it how it did questioning the limits so the contradictions of the slogan patriotism? That high school teacher might get fired for Assigning Major Danny's book and You know There it is when I think about truth. Dick what their thing that gave me. Greatest pleasure was being able to print the words of of Major Danny. Okay Julian assange of Chelsea Manning will bring people to remind them of what was going on The greatest achievement of truth. Dick was Kevin Tillman. The Guy who served alongside his brother. Patch Hillman And Afghanistan I in Iraq and Afghanistan. And there's nothing ended also put us on the map. It also was the main thing that brought truth Dick to the attention of a large audience and helped us win. Five or six Webbie's I lost track and a lot of other awards leading Press Award Sigma Delta Chi. Award are cartoonist. Mr Fish one twice and I want from my colleagues on the housing meltdown on the failure of the Obama Administration called said articles that Chris Hedges and You know a lot of people wrote Ellen Brown the good stuff on the banking I could go down lists but the more significant thing we ever printed was by a Kevin. Tillman who was Played in the. His brother was famous football player. PLAY FIRST CARD. Arizona Cardinals Arizona State before that but Kevin was in Cleveland Indian. Farm system is baseball player. They both signed up after nine eleven because they said people who have careers and have other jobs should also volunteer. They come from a family of people who have served in the military and they said they had an obligation To Go They didn't believe in the Iraq war. They were dependent thinkers but they said to the joined the Rangers. They didn't take a commission position and be used as a recruiter. Which is what the Pentagon wanted No they said we're going to go in and you know and take the training There were sent to Iraq. They didn't believe in it. They were involved and the so-called freeing You Know Jessica Lynch which was one of the big lies about the whole Iraq. Weather's truly heroic women but she was in heroic Because she fired her gun and Rambo style that was a Pentagon cockpit story. Actually two people the Iraqi hospital Very Hook courageous and helping our and she was incredibly courageous in writing an artist. Book about it Jessica Lynch everybody should read that book you know I wasn't the female ramble but she was a true hero telling you the truth about her experience. Well Pat Kevin. Tillman were involved in that. Supposed Freeing of Jessica Lynch one in fact you know we had the. Us has stopped the ambulance that had everything else had distorted the whole thing and then they were sent. They didn't believe in the rock warmer. They were there and then there was sent Afghanistan before they went Afganistan. They were told. You don't have to go. We'll use you for recruiting. We'll put you in this position. You'll go on television. They said Bull not going to do that and Pat Silman. Kevin Salman were actually influenced by job skeet. That read his work and I see even carried a couple of his books with them and share them with his fellow. G is I know a lot about distorted because when I was still a columnist at the La Times. I started looking with suspicion at the narrative that were speaking presented about. Tillman's death the denial that it was from friendly fire. Meaning your own side but rather You know spinning another heroic thought he was aero and so his brother ever but they're heroes because they were trying to do the right thing and risking their lives when they did taft to but nonetheless I'll never forget the phone call or God under stop there but just to say that Mary Mary Danny Tillman mother. Call up the switch operator said I have someone who claims to be pets yomas mother on the phone and she wants to talk to you. I thought she was calling to yell at me. You know if it was really her it was her she was calling from Albany outside of San Jose record to thank me. Thank me for the call and she asked me if I wanted to see the papers because my wife was the deputy editor of the San Francisco Chronicle is great investigative reporter. I can I bring her as she said you? Of course and then we spent a lot of time in my wife ended up writing a book with Daddy. Tillman a boots on the ground. People should read that book about the US of Pat. Tillman and Kevin. Tillman a where we started. We had Kevin. Tillman Was Willing to Write a piece for US on remembering Pat Tillman. And what had been done to him. In that became the most important thing truth ever ever and yes. I'm glad that we had the opportunity to print that story. I shocked that we're not in business now. No and I think the primary reason we're not gonNA go into all the details but I think we dared and I think I had to push back pretty hard on the new Cold War of blaming Putin for Somehow Hillary's defeat and the rise of Donald Trump and that became a big issue. Or WE'RE GONNA try to do reporting or we gotta carry water for the Democratic National Committee and blamed Julian assange and Blame Putin or something Forgiving us the papers of that gate told us what Hillary Clinton said in her speeches to Goldman Sachs Which only got revealed because they were made available by a wikileaks. And we're GONNA learn what possessed did at the Democratic National Committee to undermine Bernie Sanders. I thought that was great journalism at thought we had a right to know and as editor and Chief. True Dig. I refused to sign onto the narrative. That somehow Trump is president because of truly and assange and Putin. I think it's nonsense. I think trump got to be president because Hillary Clinton had a deaf ear to the pain and suffering of so many Americans and trump was able to exploit it and to engage in old fashioned McCarthyism in red bathing to explain the last election. I thought was lousy journalism and while some of our columnists embrace that night never sensitive them. The real issues That as a publication we were open to questioning that narrative and actually. It's the thing that we did at. Ut in many ways Most proud of that. We did not join the chorus of Of MSNBC and blame all the problems of the country on on Russia Gate but That I felt we had a right to end an obligation do the journals and I do think that became a the real issue and so there it is while Bob You know I started reading truth. Big Am Okada close with this in in Afghanistan. Quite frankly I so we're talking two thousand eleven long before you knew me or or I knew you would have ever heard in my little. You Know Sam bagged life that I was leading and And it was clear even then you know before. Russia Gate Sore. That is the truth thing was gonNA was GonNa do journalism right rather than than Carrying water and it was. It was really incredible for me when you when you did. Take me on to do some writing for truth big. I was just honored because I had been reader. I you know which was really incredible and you know I appreciate you taking so much time with us today and we covered so much great material and don't you keep saying you know Gone on too long. This is stuff people need to hear. And I'm glad you're right. The Internet does give us this space on the podcast to do it but you know I know that whatever you do next is going to be important. you're doing a checkout listeners. A sheer post dotcom com a Bosnian. Doing some writing and posting some writers On his own blog and site which is picking up some good stuff and not not just mine And then also the sheer intelligence podcast. Check that out and Bob The thing that strikes me about you that I that I'll end with as I thank. You is that in the above the full documentary. It's clear to me. That is probably are almost harder for you to be on the side that you are answering the questions right now because you probably have a thousand questions for us for another time. Maybe you'll have some of the guys on On the PODCAST. But you said everyone has a story and that you never thought the powerful folks story was more important And hearing you talk about Kevin Salman hearing you talk about your parents or the the the people begging in Cuba. It really doesn't matter. You've always cared about the story that makes you a real journalist and to me a a real human being and And I don't say that lightly and so. I'm just thankful that I got to know you and that you agreed to give some time to us and I know that our listeners appreciate it. So Bobby. Thank you more time for coming on hold. Okay thank you guys you know. What Ron Kovic always says I never fully understood it remember. He's told you basically said I thank you for your service. Yeah Yeah I would. Do I mind when he said that you know and a RONCO VIC? Let me just said this. The reason I really wanted to talk to you guys not to Romanticize it or anything else BARRANCO VIC is the most exceptional human being. I've ever met my life bar. None born you know And to see him imprisoned really in in his frozen records of his body what he's been through and I'm not talking about the movie. I met this guy when I first met him. At a vest for peace rally we ended up at the Graveyard in Westwood veteran's cemetery and then the whole crowd left and I was there with Rod Colbert in his wheelchair and this is before the movie was made. I think it was nineteen seventy. We just sat there way late. You know there were. I guess any caretakers. We were there for hours. I don't know how we got out of there. And it was the single most moving experience in my life and what it brought home. Is You know. It's not a chess. Game is not a video game is not policy wonks as not talking heads. It's not scoring points you know. It's not one upmanship but decisions that are made not just about war on peace but certainly most definitely about warranties but about the economy about health care about everything have this dramatic effect powerful crushing brutalising effect on human beings and the whole point of journalism. The whole point of guaranteeing the sanctity of journalists and not attacking it the way trump does you can tack individuals stories. You're right but the craft of journalism the obligation of journalism and a slogan. I use this to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. We don't even know who said that originally but the power of journalism and that's what you guys are doing right now however you do. It is basically a redress of grievances and to remind people whether it's through their apathy or there are selling out or they're going along with the powerful of the consequences of this thing called policy a politics of decision making and that is a guy like Ron Kovic. Bless him and his courage and everything that is right. Now you know trying to survive in Redondo beach you know in this crisis. How the Hell is he getting? Food is the person who has the Yank amount of his wheelchair and put a crane and lift him into his bed. GonNa show up.
"ronco vic" Discussed on Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast
"Dod not wanting to stare down the barrel of truth about itself <hes> and wanting to kind of avoid that and wanting audiences to avoid that and once more the filmmakers took a very brave decision run himself took a very brave decision people. You know how when you go to the doctor you generally don't wanna tell people about the fact that you've even been to. The doctor told them what it's about and <hes> all of that kind of stuff. Most people are very private about that kind of thing. Let alone being stuck in a hospital paralyzed miserable months on it and that's not story most people who'd have the guts to talk about. I understand why i'm not criticizing beeper for that but i'm just praising ron ronco vic for well having having the guts to say no no. This is a vital part of the story. This is vital part of the experience that i went through and therefore has to be in this movie yeah 'cause you're seeing his whole transformation from his image of himself. As this. You know marine like you know bad ass dude to like now. He's stuck in this bed and he can't you know do anything himself and he has to deal with the mental like challenges that go along with that and i feel like you know for for a movie. I feel like they did a really good job of of that like you. You start to feel that you a squad sense of hopelessness of just like oh crap like he can't do anything for himself anymore and and yeah just having to sit in his mouth and like have nothing really to interact with his own head and like the people around him that are dealing with the exact same thing no. It's <hes> i i agree with you thomas. The creativeness of it is it's hard to find you know that most people most people cling to tightly lightly to the notion of hero in their own story to be willing to step back far enough and and let those kind of things out and and <hes> well and let's face it men on good admitting weakness just general some some men. Some men are most of his just aren't okay so to be able to admit not just physical weakness and you know the the kind of desolation of being paralyzed but also the the mental emotional struggle that he went through that something most been just. Wouldn't you know something you might tell you. Why for some you know but you wouldn't you wouldn't go out in public and talking about <hes> and he doesn't have any he he never had you know a frame of reference tau to even start to deal with that right because was like a man of generally man but like especially men evisceration. You know it's like you have to be the provider. You have to do x y enzi and like when you can't do those things what do you do. There's no coping mechanism that he ever learned. He just had to figure it out on his own. <hes> and i suppose i mean that's is not a happy ending sir. At least we get to see that the guy does in time manage to figure al all of this and manages to figure out a way of being without you know having to cling to the the man he was before <hes> and that's i mean yeah i mean i i'd be fascinated to read the book because he's probably even more moving than the film is but again a lot praise for this guy for for being able to do that because i think a lot of people understandably wouldn't <hes> and therefore it's it's not the i guess you shouldn't tell a story about someone struggling not being able to eventually overcome these things but it's a better story that he does eventually overcome them and and i guess the story that aside from a handful of of movies and popular books most people are just never heard <hes> a lot of these particularly in the vietnam era all these guys were just kind of swept away in ignored by the press and they never really got to talk about this stuff so no wonder so many of them went onto suffer from very serious mental illness.
"ronco vic" Discussed on Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast
"Priorities and p._r. Objectives and so on and hence very brave decision for the screenwriters oliver stone and bone kovac himself who who wrote the screenplay to say no. We're not going to shy away from that. Why should we shy away from that. This is something that people aren't getting to see and need to see the need to understand. This is what it's treaty like so they did that kind of paid off. I mean you know some of the people who reviewed the movie and saw the movie didn't like it and uh complained and bitched about it but most people thought this is actually a bloody good film won academy awards. It was very commercially successful. It was quite widely praised by critics so i think took a brave decision and it paid off for them and they deserve quiet credits at that time. Do you think the delay a in filming from what was late. Seventy eight to eighty nine paid a played a role in that yeah yeah in some ways because one of the reasons why the project fell apart in the late seventy s is that that was when hollywood started making more critical vietnam vietnam war films on a fairly regular basis you had films like coming home and apocalypse now and it seems that the filmmakers looked those and though we don't want to compete beat directly with them and so the project shelved for awhile and i think it meant that because they came back to it some years later i mean essentially what happened was the oliver stone own who'd written the original screenplay but was wasn't slated to direct an interest back when the central character who is going to be played by al pacino which would have been interesting. He said to ronco vic if my career takes off if i'm in a position to make this film in several years time time and if i have that kind of authority we will come back to this and we will make this movie and then after the success of lewd and wall street obviously at that point oliver stone it could almost write his own tickets and he said he had this is moving. I wanna make so he went back to ronco vic and they said let's redress the screenplay a little bit and let's snake this movie and i think an extra ten years of time the <hes> i guess the recognition that vietnam was a horrible war was a lot more of a kind of raw thing to put in a film in the late seventies with another ten any as benefit a quiet law people coming around to that view anyway and i think that's one of the reasons it kind of went down quite well with audiences and critics as they were better prepared for a film like this they were more accepting of a film like this so the filmmakers could be that bit braver and that bit more controversial in what they decided to include and focus on so yeah. I do think that that ten year gap in some ways probably really help the movie another little interesting. The thing is that in the original screenplay. There's an extended sequence. When ron is going through training. He's going through marine corps training at parris highland much like in full metal jacket and the dod had problems with the with the sequence especially one on scene where the <hes> some instructors punching him in the gut trying to toughen him up trying to get him to awaken is in their animal and all of that kind of thing and they said donen we really we don't like the punching in you gotta take out the punches and they did in order to get access to the real paris island film which was what the agreement was going to be. They took that seeing out and i think when they came back to it ten years later one of the reasons why didn't include the training sequence because they decided we can either make this with d._o._d. Support and go to a real training facility and make that sequence very authentic all we can leave it out and have freedom freedom to write the rest of the screenplay as we want to knowing that if they did go to the d._o._d. That have to cut out half of the best bits of the.
"ronco vic" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"Into the show for the duration from five until nine summer in. And then you go out and then you come back little here. Little there. Fear among those that are part of the show from the beginning till in say by now. You realize I dig me Kenny Loggins danger zone and some top gun today's the day, and because it is a slow news day. We can insert a little bit of levity on a Thursday. Today's the day nineteen eighty six top gun, starring Tom Cruise came out at the very overpriced movie multi plex. We all know everything's in the eyes of the beholder. I suggest top gun is the best movie, Tom Cruise was ever in. Well now. As a little bit of a caveat here. There are times. I think Tom Cruise is an excellent actor. And there are times I go in so much a lot of times, it has to do with the director a lot of times, it has to do with the script, sometimes little bit of everything. But again, I profess topgun the best movie, Tom Cruise was ever in don't think it was necessarily as best acting job was a good movie, but I thought it was damn fine. Movie now, if top guns number one, what's the worst with Tom Cruise nine way tie for last? I would be your magnolia Vanilla Sky is wide shut and all six mission. Impossible's. Swear gonna digress now. And again, I apologize up front that a lot of yarn even gonna follow this. I'm going to do it. Anyway. When I was constructing my list of the worst ever, and I wrote down Vanilla Sky. I am mmediately said to myself carry on bet you likes Vanilla Sky because I know charity like lost in translation. Near the same movie. Not really. Yeah. Kind of bars badness is concerned. I can't mummies not on your list. Well, the mummy is on my list about this not in the nine way tie for worse worse. Check into the worst. Yeah. Once again, better than magnolia Vanilla Sky. Six mission impossible. Levity being goal here. Feel free to play along at home. I am going to give you five Tom Cruise movies, and then I just want you to tell me one through ten one being worst ten being great. Okay. Rainman nine ten ten I'll give it a nine born on the fourth of July in which he portrayed, Ronco Vic and eight nine eight color of money. Ten seven ten nine a few good men. Nine nine eight. Nine Jerry Maguire ten nine nine eight. And. I don't give can't be clear about that. You don't get it as Paul Newman. Okay. Then maybe get at ten. Anything I left out, you think should be considered one of his best. Visit. I'd rather watch Manila sky cocktail. Oh my God. Right. Allie? Raymond said ran. Bring it up again. Okay. Thunder. He stole that I didn't put on the list outsiders. Oh, yeah. Which was a great movie. But, you know, I go, I don't I think outsiders, I think SE hidden. I don't think Tom Cruise and you'll have it was love there and legend. Eleven..
"ronco vic" Discussed on The Sheepdog Project
"Their fault. They're taking your jobs, we need a law or at a politician who points to Wall Street and says, it's their fault. They're super rich. And that's why you can't be and we need to tax them at ninety percent. Both of those people to some extent to a large extent are wrong. And you need to realize anybody's pointing to somebody else and saying you need to be better than that. You need to stand up to that fucker and say, I'm not a victim. I'm my own person. So don't don't try their demeaning. They're telling you, basically, you're a little victimized piece of shit, and you need to stand up against that. It's it's a way to to to get more government control, your your it's unfair. You're everybody's taking advantage of you you need to let us take care of it. We won't let anybody. Take advantage of you. But it you get locked in. And then you'll never be able to get out of that box. It it annoys me when I see people. Trying to portray veterans as an entire class as victims. Like, oh, we don't we don't do enough for those guys. And they they signed, you know, they signed up for something. And then and then our country shortchanged him, and we're just we're not there for him. And I don't I other changes it can be made in the VA absolutely V8. could be a lot better. But I'm not a victim. I had a choice. I could I could have out of high school. I could have gone off to Bakersfield and gone to college. I could have gone to San Bernardino state was were a lot of my my classmates went I could've gone to college that that was an option for me. Even though my grades sucked. I barely could have got into college. I didn't I chose to go in the military because all the guys I know that have been in the military have that same that same. Thought on it. They're not victims. Now, I volunteered again. And again, and again friends are anyway, I volunteered. I reenlisted multiple times. I volunteered for everyone. School volunteered for to go to ranger regiment. Volunteered for US F volunteered to go. I once I volunteered to go to med school. And then after med school. I could have I could've not done 'em residency. I could've done something cushier that I knew wouldn't necessarily deploy or even could've done him and said, oh now I'm going to do a fellowship or now I'm gonna do research nominee. I could've avoided deployment. Okay. I've all in tiered for. I was at the point where I was telling people. Hey, man. I notice you're going to be deployed over your kid's birthday. Why don't you? Let me take that deployment, and you can deploy six months later. So my first trip Afghantistan basically did a deal with a guy to take his deployment, even though I hadn't even been back from Iraq. I think nine months I said, let me take that deployment from you. I volunteered for. All that. So anything that I would have gotten myself into is on me. I'm not a victim. One of the movies. I hate more than anything is born on the fourth of July because he volunteered for all that k-. Whether he believed the John Wayne line bullshit or his parents line of bullshit. I don't care he volunteered. And let's not forget that Ronco Vic and he did service country. God bless him for that. He was on his second tour in Vietnam. He didn't have to do a second tour Vietnam, he was on a second tour when that when had that accident, I didn't know that that was a second tour because he said he says in it, even he says, this is my second tour to the guy that ultimately he ends up killing with friendly fire. He said I've never some like this is my second tour..
"ronco vic" Discussed on Filmspotting
"This time of the director played by Steve Coogan who has let the movie within the movie spiral out of control. Okay, we okay. Got you loud and clear your less. I see you. I see. I see which one are you faces? His Damien covered this base the streets. Finally, meet your loss, get some face time who here's the key grip. You you. It does threat. Tuna fish really hard. Every time cruise appears in tropic thunder. He's channeling that trademark intensity into this profane comic rage. I mean, you have to think the guy is exercising something here getting something out of his system that we're not aware of whether his experiences as a producer, we know he's very heavily involved in producing most of his films. But yeah, he's getting something out of his system. We get to watch. We also get to watch the wonderful bonus and credits dancing scene, which I kind of could just watch on a loop for awhile. Makes me happy. Well, I'm a big fan of tropic thunder. Good. I don't remember disliking Cruise's performance. I brought up my notes for that review while you were talking and I actually didn't see one mention of crews in there. I don't know what that I don't know what that means, but obviously was not a strength of the movie for me. He is your right, as I said earlier, one of those actors who I don't. Don't necessarily want to see take on character, which he's definitely playing their complete with all of the various disguise elements. It's just always Tom Cruise playing at something for me. There's a sense of awareness and a lack of ability to totally disappeared. That character. It just seems like he always knows and he's winking at you while he's doing it and move. I mean, every performance of that movie is Winky. You're right. Well, this movie doesn't have any winking at my number four, the performances, Ron Kovac. The movie is Oliver Stone's. Born on the fourth of July. Another movie that we fairly recently did a sacred cow review of. I don't actually go in order. We've never talked about this. I don't know what your processes when you're making your notes, but I'd come up with my top five, and then I just kind of dance around and write my notes down for whatever pick strikes me in the moment. I actually have something to say. And in this case, I think I started with three and then two and then one. And then I work backwards to four and I usually rank them when I'm all done. Now that I know. What I've said well around, yeah, right after I end up writing down what I want to say for me with born of fourth of July, as I said, I had one three done. I'd already had the slotted in at four. And then I said, well, I should go back and look at my notes from that review that show that Matt Zoller sites appeared on. We were talking about his book about Oliver Stone. We showed our top five Oliver Stone scenes, and I don't want to just repeat what I said there, but I knowledge during that review right off the bat that this isn't really fair to say because at the time and it's even true now, I haven't been rewatching a bunch of Tom Cruise movies and born on the fourth of July was, of course the freshest one in my mind. And since I've never totally disliked Tom Cruise movie, the one that I've seen most recently is probably going to be one that stands out. And during that review, Josh, I suggested that I would rank more on the fourth of July ahead of his performance in Jerry Maguire and two other movies that are gonna come up higher on this list, so fine. I'm full of contradictions. But what I said then does will true so far as. He was the biggest surprise for me on that rewatch of the film stone being able to take that presence and that manic kind of energy. And what I argued was he doesn't necessarily try to contain it, but try to channel it and he does so very effectively and drew a comparison to maverick and top gun where he plays him such a way physically that gives off this attitude that he's above everyone around him and his institution of the navy, and then you see a character Ronco, Vic, and it's the complete opposite this sense of admiration..