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October 9, 2019: The Palo Verde Derailment

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13:18 min | 1 year ago

October 9, 2019: The Palo Verde Derailment

"Live a westbound Amtrak train careened off the rails in Arizona and dropped a gut wrenching thirty feet into a gully the today is Wednesday October ninth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen ninety five day in true crime was written by Aaron Land. I'm Vanessa Richardson eggs littered the surrounding desert. Almost every passenger was seriously hurt some cradling broken bones it was a scene of APP participating locations taxes and delivery fees extra we hours of the morning banged against boulders luggage tumbled from the overhead compartments and flew out the window by the time the train came to a stop levine it happened to quickly for anyone inside the train to react they were helpless as the windows shattered and the passenger cars Grushin is advised this episode features discussion of murder and domestic terrorism extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen Los Angeles data arrive in around nine hours the train cruised along at fifty miles an hour the morning sun had yet without warning the train hit a curve in the track then flew off the rails the massive train tipped over careening and selves pinned inside Neil Hawford a shaggy-haired broad-shouldered man in his late twenties sat in the aw hey friend I wanna tell you about the new three dollar little John from Jimmy Johns a skinny Minnie oaken glass and twisted metal as the dust settled the passengers revealed some tried to leave the train cars while others found the now let's go back to the Arizona desert about sixty miles southwest of Phoenix on October ninth nineteen ninety-five in the stoorikhel aspects of the infamous Palo Verde derailment while I'll cover the narrative the Palo Verde derailment still haunts the city of Palo Verde creep over the horizon in the middle of nowhere any passengers still awake could have looked out the window and seeing a blanket of stars Cam Track train thundered through the Arizona desert right on schedule as far as the conductor was concerned it was a routine trip bound for grew hot and Neil made his way out of the car for air while they waited for police as he looked across the desert something called so condemned police corruption specifically mentioning one local police officer benefiting from drug money kickbacks the writer US missing more Murray Crawlspace and empty frames everyone I'm lance and I'm tim thanks for having US Lance and Tim are here to discuss some of the crime history I'm Vanessa Richardson and today I'm joined by our guest hosts Lance Ren- Stern A- and Tim Polari they host the crime podcast welcome to today and true crime apar- cast original every day we flip back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from trump the first time this kind of terrorism was used to instill fear in those travelling West that's true due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener or writers of the letter had signed it sons of the Gestapo Neil kept the letter for police who's version of any original sandwich for only three bucks it's littler than a regular sandwich which is perfect if you're not super hungry or if you WANNA try a couple of different sandwich his I a piece of folded paper lodged under a rock near the crash curious neal grabbed it it's content Arizona in the twenty four years since the crash no act of domestic terror has compared to the vicious attack that's right lance although as we discover it wasn't offset Waco Texas and Ruby Ridge Idaho both of these incidents had resulted in the deaths of religious extremists the letters always turned his face white the note railed against the government and police it lambasted the ATF's involvement in the stand back of one of the few cars left intact which stalled in total darkness on the broken train track without air conditioning. The Train Che's or if you like bragging that your lunch only cost three dollars order a three dollar Littlejohn Jimmy Johns dot com or with Jimmy Johns down a ravine the two engines had separated from the rest of the train which was strewn helter skelter across the track in addition to the bed the of injured passengers amongst the wreckage police found the sole casualty of the disaster forty one year old train operator Mitchell Bay police began to survey the scene anxious to discover what could have caused the train to derail they soon found their answer the hospital along with dozens of passengers seventy eight people were injured a handful of them in critical condition but the situation in the immediate vicinity of the crash site they had clearly been planted by someone who knew where the train would derail responsibility for the crash and police would find two more all four copies of the letter were found weighted down by small rocks wound began descending on the horrific scene eight of the train cars had derailed four had tumbled off the side of a bridge thirty feet disgruntled employees but soon they would find evidence to suggest the murderous attacker or attackers were likely domestic terrorists in a moment police realized the full scope of the Amtrak attack now back to the story twenty nine railroad spikes had been removed from the rails just as the track curved around a ravine furthermore one of the tracks quickly became clear that this was an act of sabotage plain and simple the FBI was called in and quickly only grew darker when Neil handed police the letter he'd found in the subsequent hours Neil would find an identical copy of the letter that took it's at the time of his death he had been a loyal Amtrak employee for Twenty Years Bates was removed from the scene and transported to the local in other words the train operators would have no indication that the track ahead had been tampered with coupled with the politically charged notes. Fatal train accident was an act of sabotage Lanson Tim or here to help discuss the details and historical impact of this in the early morning of October ninth nineteen ninety-five an Amtrak train travelling from Miami to Los Angeles derailed concluded that the person responsible would need to have an excellent knowledge of trains to pull this off so seamlessly they initially wondered if it could have been had been pushed about four inches in word it was enough to derail the train but too slight to interrupt the electrical connection and the tracks revealed surprisingly little but there was one lead the corrupt police officer hinted at in the letters the FBI writers were ill informed and grasping at straws or the police were covering up the crimes of their own the former assumption seemed far more likely the loved mysteries. I'm Vanessa Richardson thanks again to Lance and Tim old near Palo Verde Arizona sixty miles from Phoenix the police and FBI quickly discovered the tracks had been tampered with this were meant to be intentionally misleading the writer may have hoped to lead police on a wild goose chase searching for an extremist group that never existed worked to discover who this police officer might be in the hopes that it could give them a clue as to who may have written a letter but the lead never panned out either is deadly attack thanks so much Vanessa we're happy to be here yeah initially police in the FBI believed that whoever had derailed the Amtrak must have had knowledge of trail in the first place well whatever their intentions their methods worked police have never arrested anyone in connection to the attack and the case remains open to this the similarities didn't stop there lance this nineteen thirty nine Nevada crash had been caused by train track being moved four inches in wjr plunging thirty feet into the ravine in the years since this has become one of Arizona's most infamous on Sol means based on the precision used to sabotage the tracks only someone familiar with trains would know that something as simple as removing a few states jeanine Nevada derailment case was never solved and the motives for the wrecks still remain a mystery it seems as though the nineteen ninety-five saboteurs were working someone had inverted the railway tracks a mere four inches a small but deadly act of sabotage it is now been twenty four years since the Amtrak train derail and spilled over the side of a Brid Day police still hope to solve the case so as long as the terrorists are at large they could strike again they have blood on their hands and deserve to be brought to justice are joining me today thanks so much for having US Vanessa thanks Vanessa and you can find our podcast missing more Murray crawlspace and empty frames on SPA word enough to keep the electric current running through the tracks but still cause a deadly wreck so frustrating because despite months of investigation the nineteen on cutler sound designed by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley this episode of Tea Wchs and budging one track

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November 11, 2019: Lori Lee Kursa Disappears

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11:27 min | 11 months ago

November 11, 2019: Lori Lee Kursa Disappears

"Today is Monday November eleventh two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy two. Do Thirteen year old. Laurie Lee cursor disappeared while out shopping with her mother. A month later her body was discovered near near Rincon Valley in Santa Rosa California. She was determined to be the latest victim of the Santa Rosa. Hitchhiker murderer murderer. Welcome to today and true crime podcast original due the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the disappearance disappearance of thirteen year old Laurie Lee cursor before we explore the impact of her death and the legacy of the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murderer. Sure let's go back to the afternoon of November Eleventh Nineteen seventy two a little after five thirty P. M. Lori considered the cramped I'll bags of chips pretzels and candies called no doubt to her with their brightly colored packaging. She glanced at her mother. Lorene lifted a can of coffee grounds to scour. The ingredients is list perfect. She wasn't paying close attention. You save was small. Laurie had seen massive grocery stores in big cities. Cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco and they put Santa Rosa's paltry market to shame the aisles of snack foods jammed in the roadside. nightside store. Represented everything about suburban life that she hated. They offered one more. Excuse for Laurie to get away and it would be tricky to slip out of her mother's site on the upside. She knew that road trippers frequently stopped here to use the bathroom and load up on on sweets. That should make hitching a ride easier. Laurie had run away from home a couple times before there was something freeing about getting out from mm under her mother's roof but the new independent life never stuck. She'd run out of money or start to miss her classmates and show up back home feeling humbled and homesick. Then a few months later she'd start itching to get away again and now today say she had another overwhelming. Craving to go faming nonchalance. Laurie dipped tipped into the snack aisle. Her mom was still visible. Just out of the corner of lorries. I- Laurie picked up a packaged pastry and pretended tended to scrutinize the frosted yellow cake inside. Still no sign of suspicion from laurine. Laurie slid the cake back onto onto the rack. Edged a little further down the aisle and bent down as though she were reaching for a candy bar now she was completely out of site she waited a beat and her mother didn't call for her perfect. Laurie crept down the aisle making her way for the the front door but her mad dash came to an abrupt halt when she bumped into her old family friend. Barbara skirt literally and while Barbara loudly made Chitchat. Laurie faked a cheerful demeanor and continued to edge toward the door. She was running Out of time any moment now. Her mother would round on the cashier and announced that it was time to load back into the car then Lori would be stuck returning to her unhappy home and counting the hours until her next opportunity for escape screw. This Lori was thirteen. Thirteen and teenagers were allowed to be rude expected even so she pushed past Barbara and strode out the door as she stepped into the you save parking lot. Laurie stopped across the harsh concrete. She tried to exude authority as she found a spot. Right eight at the corner and thrust out her thumb. She wasn't too picky about where she ended up. Her first step was to get away from her mom. She'd worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Things like this had a way of working themselves out as she'd found on previous runaway attempts. Laurie Laurie didn't have money but she was smart. She'd selected that day's outfit Bell bottom jeans cowboy boots and a brown leather jacket specifically to catch the attention of passing drivers and sure enough it was working as an approaching sedan slowed and pulled over. Laurie popped open the front door. She settled into the seat not knowing that she'd never returned to her old life or see her mother again up next will discuss the tragedy that followed Laurie. Lee Curses final runaway attempt. Hey friend I want to tell you about the new three dollar Littlejohn from Jimmy Johns. A skinny mini version of any original sandwich for only three bucks. It's littler than a regular sandwich. which is perfect? If you're not super hungry or if you want to try try a couple of different sandwiches or if you like bragging that your lunch only cost three dollars. Order a three dollar little John at Jimmy. John's dot com or with the Jimmy John's APP participating locations taxes and delivery fees extra now back to the story on November member Eleventh Nineteen seventy two thirteen year old. Laurie Lee curse off walked out of her mother's life forever. The frequent runaway was is last seen by a family friend. Barbara Scotto in bell bottom jeans cowboy boots and a brown leather jacket. She slipped away from a local Santa under Rosa. You save market presumably intending to Hitchhike to her father's house in Florida. This was far from the first time that at the adolescent had run away from home even her mother didn't consider lorries disappearances a big deal. She chucked up the numerous attempts at escape two ordinary youthful rebellion and didn't call the police until several hours later authorities learned that as of November Twentieth Twentieth or twenty first about a week and a half after she disappeared from the use of thirteen year. Old Laurie was staying with friends in Santa Rosa because a juvenile runaway wasn't considered a high priority. Police didn't bring her home right away. That proved to be fatal mistake. AAC Laurie Lee. Cursor was never seen alive again on December fourteenth. Nineteen seventy seventy two about a month. After she I ran away. A pair of hikers spotted her frozen body. Her death was clearly no no accident. She was naked at the bottom of a steep cliff off the side of the road. Lorries body was found near one of the known Dumping Dumping Sites for a serial killer called the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murderer. She like his other victims was found completely nude food. A young blonde preteen runaway lorry also matched the killers target profile crime scene. Investigators soon declared she. He was his most recent victim for two years from nineteen. Seventy two to nineteen seventy four. The Santa Rosa hitchhiker murderer. durer killed anywhere from seven to twenty five young women. His preferred targets were hitchhikers and runaways. Most of his victims were strangled angled to death although some were found beaten or poison as well however lorries corpse differed from from those of the serial killers past murders in a few key ways. Unlike previous victims there was no sign that Lori was sexually assaulted. In addition she likely died of injuries sustained while falling down the incline. She had severe spinal trauma and cuts and bruises consistent consistent with hitting trees and brush as she tumbled down the hill. The discrepancy suggests that Lori died while attempting to escape her killer's killer's clutches. Her head injuries were consistent with those she'd sustain if she left from a moving vehicle northern northern California was a hotbed for active serial killers at the time and police tried to link the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders to Charles Manson on the hillside stranglers and even the Zodiac killer but they were never able to conclusively link the Hitchhiker Murderer's victims those two other known killers and they never arrested anyone for these crimes when bodies stopped turning up after nineteen seventy seventy four the case languished on solved. Thanks for listening to today's a day in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson. If you enjoyed this story be sure to check out our podcast. Original unsolved murders which explores some of history's most baffling crimes. Today in true crime is a podcast. Original you can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for Freon spotify not only spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Liked today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today and true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type two day in true crime in the search bar at park cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. If you will allow us to do what we love. Let us know how. We're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media. And is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler compound designed by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today in true crime was written by Angela. Jorgensen I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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November 14, 2019: The Mothman Sighted

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13:19 min | 11 months ago

November 14, 2019: The Mothman Sighted

"Today is Thursday November fourteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen sixty six. Fix The Mothman of point. Pleasant West Virginia was cited in the neighboring town of Salem by contractor. Merle partridge while a sighting. Think of this mysterious red eyed for covered winged Predator was not a crime in and of itself. The disappearance of Merle's dog is. There's another story welcome to today in true Crime Apar- cast original today. We're covering Merle partridges moth man citing and the subsequent disappearance of his dog. Bandit let's go back to the evening of November Fourteenth Nineteen Sixty six around ten thirty PM. Merle partridge and his wife. Were watching TV when something strange began to happen. They frowned as the shapes of the nightly news. Warped and gave way to a herringbone pattern. Tiny lines filled the screen just as Merle was getting up to adjust the set a sharp wine from the TV forced him back down to the couch. In shock he thought to himself what in the world and had no idea how apt that sentiment was for outside something thing. Extra terrestrial was stalking his home. The sound from the TV was increasing in volume and pitch. Merle would later describe it as sounding like a hand crank emergency radio. It continued to raise in volume until finally fill the Screen exploded sending glass shards across the living room carpet. Merle's wife immediately jumped up and went to get a Dustpan. Meanwhile a new sound came from the front porch. It was banned it. The family German shepherd. He was barking at something outside. Merle shook his head exasperated. He yelled out to his wife. Something screw is going on getting up from the couch coach. He moved across the room and to the hall closet. He collected a flashlight and his trusty eight millimeter shotgun. Whatever ever was out there? Merle wasn't going to let it get the better of him. He turned on the flashlight. Readied his weapon and headed out into the night eight. It was cold outside. Fog Hung Thick in the air. Merle could hardly see out into the yard but there on the porch was banned it. He was barking endlessly in the direction of the pump shed. The dog's hair was standing on an end. This spooked Merle bandit was a large three hundred fifty dollar killing machine if he was scared then then something truly dangerous lurked in the woods beyond the shed. Merle walked to the edge of the porch and pointed his light toward the shed for a minute. All he could see was darkness but then large brilliant red lights appeared. In the distance they were rotating twirling as if on some sort of aircraft but moral spent three years in the air force and he knew planes. These lights were like nothing he had ever seen before for one. They were big they must have been at least one hundred fifty yards yards away and yet merle could see them as clearly as if they were right in front of him. This ruled out the possibility that they could be. Animal is even with the reflection of the flashlight hitting them the eyes of a bird or rodent wouldn't be that bright and the glow was somehow deeper deeper more fiery than anything you would see on the tail or wing of a plane. The Red Hue sent a chill down Merle spine spine suddenly banned it rush toward the Red Lights. Merle cried out after him saying come back but the dog doug was well on his way his owner could only watch as the powerful creature disappeared into the glow. As soon as bandit reached the lights they disappeared returning the yard and forest to darkness and sealing. The dog's fate and for there was now only silence. A wave of fear gripped Merle. He couldn't even bring himself to call out for his animal companion something other worldly was taking place and he knew he needed to get back inside. Merle stumbled back into his living room locking the door behind him. His wife fast. What had happened but he could only tell her that bandit ran off and they would look for him in the morning? That wave of fear was still overwhelming him. The stark fluorescent lights of the house contrasted sharply sharply with the pitch black of the outside looking out the window. He could only imagine what might be staring back at him from the darkness. He ushered his wife upstairs trying to turn his thoughts to bed but he knew something was wrong. Even if he couldn't replace it as he turned in for the night he surprised himself he still had his loaded shotgun in his hand the next next morning Merle awoke early and took the shot gun from his nightstand. He got dressed heading back out onto the porch. It was a completely different atmosphere. Now he could see across his entire yard could see the pump shed in full detail in fact he could see so so well that he could follow bandits tracks from the night before they lead to just past the shed. Right where the red lights had been in the pawprints went around and around in a circle and then they disappeared. It was as if bandit it had vanished into the night sky. Next will explore the moth man's legacy and and find out what may have become of bandit. Hey I want to tell you about the new three dollar little John from Jimmy Johns a skinny mini version of any original sandwich for only three bucks. It's littler than a regular sandwich which is perfect if you're not super hungry or if you WANNA try a couple of different sandwiches or if you like bragging that your lunch only cost three dollars or three dollar Littlejohn at Jimmy. John's DOT COM Or with the Jimmy. John's APP participating locations taxes and delivery fees extra now back to the story on the night of November fourteenth nineteen sixty six. Merle partridge of Salem West. Virginia lost his dog bandit to a strange strange red light in the woods. What became of bandit? No one will ever know for sure but this would not be the last anyone anyone saw of the mysterious red lights far from it just a day. Later on November fifteenth. Linda and Roger Scarberry Lar- Berry along with their friends. Marian Steve Millette were driving around abandoned wooded area outside of point pleasant when they saw something thing truly shocking standing off to the side of the road was a six foot tall for covered winged man with no neck back weirdest of all were his eyes. They glowed bright red seemingly hypnotize ing the two couples but they quickly quickly snapped out of it and took off back into town. Unfortunately the winged creature followed them from the skies as the car tried to outpace Pace. The Monster Linden noticed something else. Strange lying in a nearby ditch was the body of a dog. She had no time to examine it. Further as the car sped on back into town finally losing the creature. They reported their story story to the police and a search party was immediately sent back into the woods. Neither beast nor dead dog were found but in the days that followed more sightings would occur before long local papers had a name for the monster. The moth man many would tried attract the elusive figure down but none would succeed most famously honestly paranormal investigator. John Keel visited point pleasant and claim to have many supernatural encounters. While there he claimed he met met multiple men in black and saw plethora of UFO's and other apparitions his book. The Mothman Prophecies provides perhaps perhaps the most complete account of all the strange happenings in West Virginia from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty seven however his lack of skepticism skepticism and tendency to make unverifiable claims throw his work into question. But what is certain. Is that Merle. Partridge lost lost his dog bandit on November fourteenth. Just as the mystery was beginning was the dead dog seen by Linda. scarberry the remains of poor. Bandit were the red lights in. Merle's yard the eyes of the Mothman. Perhaps the creatures simply needed a snack while it waited to return to wherever it came from. Of course it's equally possible that the residents made all of this up one story building offer the other in a case of mass hysteria band. It may have been stolen by greedy neighbour. Hit by a car or attacked by any number of terrestrial beasts in the woods regardless in the following decades their stories became legend and to this day Point Pleasant holds an Annual Mothman festival to drive tourism. There's even a large metal moth man statue that you erected in the centre of the town and so while the Mothman remains one of America's most endearing paranormal icons. Today's crime. Primetime is potentially no crime at all that being said if your TV explodes in the middle of the night and your dog starts barking working from the front porch. Maybe go bring him inside Thanks for listening today and true crime to learn more about the moth man. Check out our episode of extra terrestrial covering the full story. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite favorite podcast originals. Like today true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just opened the APP and type today. True crime in the search bar at par cast grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime Time. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max Jackson Ron Cutler sound designed by Karie Murphy with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today's a day in true crime was written by Greg Castro. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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October 24, 2019: Robert Pickton

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13:03 min | 1 year ago

October 24, 2019: Robert Pickton

"Serial killer Robert Pickton was born feeling like a social outcast a grownup picton lashed out at the world by murdering sex workers the today is October twenty fourth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen forty nine first light of dawn being a household with a husband who is as good as absent she'd always believed that snooty college degrees were waste of time and money grab that could only mean one thing the baby was coming sure enough the pigs were sniffing at the air and out people only about books and theories louise was a simple country girl she knew all anyone had to know about raising pigs and the animals louise had heard stories at them trampling their keepers and devouring human flesh in mad feeding frenzies she wasn't our reminded her of the panic she'd seen in her pigs that morning that meant something was wrong with her baby and no one would pickton's crimes let's go back to the morning of October Twenty Fourth Nineteen forty-nine just as his mother's labour pangs struck at the always always began the day with a good scream it was good for the lungs started the morning off right most importantly though it told the hogs going to stick around and see if the rumors were true and she hurried to the car it couldn't have been that much later when Luisa amniotic fluid but she didn't know what those words meant she continued to push but the baby wasn't coming her gut ached her any other day she'd looked down her nose at a room full of doctors and nurses they didn't know the first thing about living in the real world they didn't care to the pigs on his farm hey friend I wanNA tell you about the new I didn't even have the time to watch and make sure the pigs were properly fed because justice she dumped the slop in the feeder she felt the racking but then Louise noticed the fear in her doctors is and it was anything but aloof his flared nostrils and sweaty brow welcome to today in true crime podcast original every day we flip back the tell her what was going on at least not in plain English Louise's caught fragments of conversations like noukal cord and excess awesome one another to get closer they were attracted to the smell of the blood that gushed down her legs as her water broke dirty nasty burned louise wondered if she and her child were going to die finally the doctor called for help he reached between Louise's legs only then after the blood and the sweat and the screams and the animalistic panic is that the slop was ready Louise didn't have the time to go chasing off after the mall just so they could eat their darn food today she you'll killer Robert Pickton was born picton is estimated to have killed over fifty women before he was captured before we discuss Robbie Dollar Littlejohn at Jimmy John's dot com or with the Jimmy John's APP at participating locations taxes and delivery fees extra on the child's neck and as Louise watched in astonishment the infant took a desperate gasp louise fell era of nurses held her down while Louise watched in horror the doctor lay down her still son he unwound the cord from the re dollar Littlejohn from Jimmy Johns a skinny mini version of any original sandwich for only three bucks it's littler than a regular sandwich at the hospital but it felt like an eternity she moaned and held her gut writhing in pain while the doctors and nurses rushed around is perfect if you're not super hungry or if you WANNA try a couple of different sandwiches or if you like bragging that your lunch only cost three dollars order three through her veins she tried to leap from the bed and sees the child she just wanted to hold him then everything would be okay she would name him Robert she was soon so focused on nursing her son it took her awhile to notice the nurse who was Lisa's arms she didn't even mind that he was covered in mucus and viscera she lifted him to her breast and in that moment decided that ooh he didn't seem to be breathing the doctors turned and carried the baby tortoise side table although Louise was exhausted panic surged did he pull the child from Lewis's womb Louise's could see the umbilical cord wrapped around her son's neck his skin was blue calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm Vanessa Richardson and today we're going back to the day that elegance test to see if he'd been born developmentally disabled Louise laughed in the nurses face babies don't know anything wrong with Roberts head after this we tell the story of Robert Pickton a notorious doc against the bed her son was alive acquire relief went up from the doctors and nurses as they laid the child and be sure to raise Robert to be salt of the earth just like she was no puffed up elite would ever again ask if something was tearing her Louise demanded to know what she wanted the shy girl rung her hands and stared at her feet she stammered while she explained and because Robert had gone through labor without oxygen he could have brain damage the nurse wanted to give the baby some kind of on October twenty fourth nineteen forty nine Robert Pickton was born in Port Coquitlam Canada his traumatic birth nearly killed him his umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck likely leading to brain damage this was the first ladies and debate fancy terms that ordinary people could never understand louise was alive and so was her son and they'd be going back home to the serial killer who was estimated to have murdered over fifty women before he fed them to his pigs now back to the story all this talk of brain damage disability oxygen to the brain trauma just more textbook nonsense let them poor over there still farm in a matter of hours that was all louise cared about and she didn't need any test to tell her to feel differently she socially he was diagnosed as mentally disabled and was a frequent target of bullying as a result often in order to escape beat of many events that shaped Robert Pickton into the killer he would become as a child Robert struggled in school academically as well as bench kept bullies away but he didn't mind it in fact Robert felt safe and secure around dead pigs in a way he'd never felt with living people roberts poor hygiene and poorer social skills followed him into adulthood he seemed destined and to spend his entire life impoverished and alone until he and his siblings inherited shares in their highly valued farming property and strangling them to death using the butchering tools he'd grown up with Robert Wood then bleed and gut the bodies things Robert Wood hide inside the gutted pig carcasses that hung outside the slaughterhouses on his parents farm he found that the in one fell swoop Robert became a co owner of the family farm now with ready access to as much cash are in his murders the animals eight anything put before them and their jaws and teeth were strong enough to crush human bones your turn him down the way other women did but Robert's appetites grew darker he soon came to enjoy handcuffing the women as a child Robert had discovered that pig carcasses would keep him safe and as an adult live pigs served as a valuable collaborator thus he had an easy way to dispose of bodies because many of his victims were outsiders without social support systems police I am seen littered with blood-stained weapons and human remains originally arrested as a saas does he could ever want Robert began regularly hiring sex workers he found that when he paid for sex his partners didn't object to his stench L. Alive and still serving time for his murders recent disappearances while he was a suspect in over sixty cases overall fifty six year old Robert Pickton stood life in prison without possibility of parole for a minimum of twenty five years as of two thousand Nineteen Robert is learned about the full scope of Robert's crimes later they performed DNA tests on the murder scenes and linked Robert to at least thirty trial for his crimes in January two thousand six he was found guilty and sentenced to Canada's harshest possible penalty isn't caught until two thousand two when police raided his farmlands on an unrelated weapons bossed instead they stumbled upon he managed to evade detection for nearly two decades in part because he disposed of the evidence by feeding his victim's bodies for more information on Robert pickton checkout episodes of serial killers which explore Roberts life psychology failed to notice the number of women who went missing around Vancouver from the late nineteen seventy s to two thousand one Robert Pickton back in two murders fifty three year old Robert bragged to another inmate about his lengthy killing spree from this informant police true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just open the APP and type today in True Crime Ron Shapiro Paul Molitor Maggie Admire and Travis Clark this episode today and true crime was written by Angela. 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September 18, 2019: Patty Hearst

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12:58 min | 1 year ago

September 18, 2019: Patty Hearst

"Today is Wednesday September eighteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy five. I've Patricia Hurtado was arrested by the FBI after close to two years on the run but TRICIA was a newspaper heiress a criminal and a self proclaimed urban guerrilla but she's most famous for being the controversial poster child for Stockholm Syndrome welcome to today and true crime. I'm a podcast original. Every day. We flip back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history due due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. I'm Vanessa Richardson then and today I'm joined by our guest host. Greg Poulsen Greg and I co host to other park cast originals serial killers and cults. He's here to discuss some the historical aspects of Patricia her arrest while I'll cover the narrative pillow everyone I'm thrilled to dive into the story of Patricia hearst now. Let's go back to September Eighteenth nineteen seventy five in the early afternoon. Uh Patricia hearst and Wendy Yoshimura sat at their San Francisco go kitchen table heads bent over a sheet of paper reading. Wendy's looping script. It was a letter to Wendy's ex-boyfriend Willy Brandt who had introduced her to the radical leftist seen in Oakland California he was in jail now like so many of Patricia and Wendy's radical friends lovers and colleagues. They were all in jail or dead. It seemed but Wendy wasn't the young college girl Willie had met back in the sixties with stars in her eyes for a handsome boy with things to teach her her letter reflected that now she had a bone to pick with the men who'd radicalized realized her men who spoke equality but upheld the patriarchy at every turn but tricia nodded emphatically and earnestly earnestly as Wendy talked about the letter Patricia loved these long days spent together in the apartment talking about feminism and men and the future future of America they were working on a feminist manifesto but Patricia for all her radical Gusto was also glad they were taking it slow thinking carefully about every word they put to paper it was time to step back from the war and her radical colleagues who still l. insisted on a chauvinistic version of political action the world would never really change with those guys in charge even so oh the days of building and exploding bombs weren't that far behind her and the guns well there were two carbines in the closet and a shotgun on in the Bedroom Patricia new the FBI was looking for her and even on the quietest day at the kitchen table table reading and writing and wondering what they would have for dinner there was a nagging tension tugging at the back of her neck a constant worry three that something was right behind her Wendy Interrupting Patricia thoughts what to the sink for a glass of water. The TRICIA stood up to stretching when they were here freeze. FBI Patricia did did freeze for a moment her mind racing. They found her but her gun she'd go down fighting like her comrades had taught her rather than rot in jail she started to run towards the bedroom but agents had already arrived in the kitchen and they had a gun on pointed at. Wendy's head freeze the FBI repeated this time they added. I'll blow her head off. Patricia stopped abruptly she turned back to look at Wendy. The two women made contact Patricia heartfelt like it would beat right out of her chest. She needed to think like Wendy. Not like those chauvinist who tottered a fight at all costs she needed to be smart not proud so many of the people she'd loved this past year were already dead at the hands of these pigs but she he and Wendy would live she surrendered the two women were escorted out of the apartment without a fight a physical one anyway but Patricia wasn't done fighting for change and justice as she stepped out of the FBI's car the downtown downtown federal building surrounded by reporters and photographers. She held up her right fist as high as she could in handcuffs she was giving the revolutionary salute and that evening when she arrived at the San Mateo County jail shortly before eight PM. She told the clerk doc booking her into the facility that her profession was urban guerrilla. Her struggle was far from over coming up. Patricia hearst trial initiates a nationwide conversation about psychological manipulation and permanently lately impacts the way law enforcement thinks about hostages now back to the store on September Eighteenth Nineteen nineteen seventy five twenty one year old Patricia hearst was arrested by the FBI in San Francisco California her arrest marked the the end of a year long search would started as a kidnapping recovery ended as an investigation into her violent crimes. Greg will take us through the rest of this story. Thanks Vanessa on February Fourth Nineteen seventy-four Patricia was abducted by the Symbionese Liberation Army or the SLA a radical group of leftists that believe violence was the only way to end racial and economic injustice in America the SLA lake committed murder and bank robbery as well as kidnappings within a few months of her capture. Patricia was robbing banks with the rest of them seemingly a convert convert to the SLA's revolutionary goals and their violent approach to achieving them but on May Seventeenth nineteen seventy four most of the SLA members I including their leader. Donald freeze died in a violent shootout with the FBI instead of returning to her family. Patricia went on the run with the few remaining members of the UCLA she spent the next year and a half as a fugitive over the course of those long months her politics started to change change largely as a result of conversations with feminist Wendy Yushi Maura and other female radicals these changes pulled her away from the remaining members of the SLA SLA whom she saw as chauvinistic but she never abandoned the radicalism she adopted amongst her captors back in nineteen seventy four immediately after her arrest on September Eighteenth Nineteen Seventy-five Patricia stuck to her revolutionary guns but metaphorical ones anyway the crimes she committed she committed in the name of justice and did the pursuit of a better America for all but as time went on a new new narrative emerged from Patricia and the excellent lawyers her wealthy family hired for her. She was a victim when she was kidnapped and she never stopped being a victim. All of her crimes were the result of psychological manipulation and something called Stockholm Syndrome Stockholm. Dot Com Syndrome is now a well known psychological concept but it was a new idea the time of Patricia hearst's arrest in nineteen seventy five the syndrome is is defined as feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage taking by victim toward a captor purchase lawyers argued argued that their client was psychologically manipulated and abused into identifying with her kidnappers decision to join the SLA and commit crimes with them was the product of Stockholm Syndrome as a result. They argued. She was not culpable for her actions. The argument fascinated America but the public was divided as to its validity some people bought it and felt sympathy for everything Patricia had been through others Sarah's a wayward enrich curl benefiting from a strange inventions of crafty lawyers. They called Stockholm Syndrome a fanciful excuse for real criminal activity. The jury took the Ladder Line of Reasoning Patricia was sentenced to seven years in prison for bank robbery. Although President Jimmy Carter commuted her sentence after twenty twenty one months thanks to an appeal from her wealthy powerful parents but the failure Patricia hearst's defense in court is belied by just how popular it has been outside of the courtroom and its long-term far reaching influence the her story is now generally considered a classic example of Stockholm Syndrome which has become much more widely accepted as legitimate psychological phenomenon since the seventies today law enforcement agencies agencies actually encourage it in hostage situations even though it can make rescue more difficult hostages. Stockholm central often stop wanting to be rescued dude they start to fear law enforcement even more than their captors but if they come to admire or even join their captors at least their odds of survival increase. Greece and in today's do a hostage turned criminal is better than a murdered hostage while Patricia didn't benefit from today's more sympathetic attitudes towards Stockholm Syndrome during her trial it's in large part thanks to her and her widely publicized story that Stockholm Syndrome has has become a household term. Patricia hearst changed the landscape of clinical psychology and revolutionized the way American law enforcement and courts approach hostage cases. She may not have changed the world in exactly the way she claims she would as a part of the La but she changed it nonetheless the less. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Thanks Again Greg for joining me today. Thanks thanks for having me you can find our podcasts cult sand serial killers on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts for more information on the life and Crimes Times of Patricia hearst check out the episodes of female criminals and hostage that cover her experience as well as the cult's episodes on the Symbionese Liberation Liberation Army and Donald Freeze today in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast asked originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and anti type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Russell Nash Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today in True Crime was written by Nora Patel. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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November 12, 2019: Randall Saito Escapes

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14:09 min | 11 months ago

November 12, 2019: Randall Saito Escapes

"Today is Tuesday November Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen on this day in two thousand seventeen fifty nine year old randall. Toshio Saito walked out of Hawaii state. He'd been committed there for three and a half decades decades after murdering a twenty nine year old woman in a mall. Parking Lot once hospital staff reported his absence to the authorities. A nationwide manhunt was launched. Welcome to today okay in true crime. A podcast original today. We're covering murderer. Randall Saito's escape from a Hawaii Mental Health Institution. Let's let's go back to the morning of November twelfth two thousand seventeen just after nine. Am in the morning staff in. The hospital. Were still trickling in for their shift. They were distracted by their paperwork and processes so randall simply waved good morning and kept walking. They were used to seeing him roaming the halls on his own. They knew he could be trusted into mind his own business as long as he checked in at the end of the day once he made it outside onto the grounds. Randall took a bucket hat out of his pocket and put it on shading his face. He resisted the urge to break into a sprint. Instead he he calmly walked to Honolulu's Kane'ohe Hey community park about a mile away. He retrieved a backpack from its hiding place and sat on a bench then he pulled out the iphone tucked away in his pack and dialed a cab company. Randall could hardly focus this on. The woman's voice on the other end of the line too distracted by his own pounding heartbeat. The taxi would be there in ten minutes. When randle climbed into the yellow taxi minivan? He told the driver is name. Was Bill the driver for put the car in gear and said where we headed. Randall asked him to drive to the airport. He had a plane to catch an hour later. He landed in Maui but the island hop wouldn't be enough to secure his freedom he had to make it to the mainland. Only okay then could he truly disappear. Randall had taken a private charter flight from Honolulu. It was expensive. Fifteen fifteen hundred dollars but allowed him to avoid the TSA security checkpoint. He wouldn't be so lucky with the next leg of the journey. He knew the hospital staff would report him missing eventually. Perhaps they already had and his name and picture were on some kind of watchlist which which was exactly why he'd ordered a fake driver's license off the Internet he just hoped it was a passable fake. Randall walked up to the Hawaiian Airlines lines ticket counter and talked to one of the agents behind the desk. He told her he needed to get back to the mainland as soon as possible as cheaply as possible astle the agent typed and clicked on her computer. There was a flight to San Jose leaving in ninety minutes three hundred bucks and and he could even have a window seat. Randall pulled out his wallet. He'd take it at seven thirty. PM Pacific Time. Randall landed in California. He walked out of the San Jose Airport with nothing but his backpack which held one change of clothes. His iphone and a portable charger again. Randall kept his composure. He casually walked to the taxi. Taxi Line outside the terminal waited his turn. Then ask the cab driver to take him to stockton seventy five miles away from San Jose Eh. Once there he checked into a hotel in the room Randall let the delicious ecstasy of the freedom. Rollover him in waves he laid down on one of the double beds then the other then back again. Randall hadn't slept don anything larger than a twin mattress. In over thirty years he spread his arms and legs making snow. Angels in the comforters Doc. He went into the bathroom stripped naked and took a long hot shower. He didn't even wash himself with soap. He just let the streaming streaming water pour over his body. He almost started to sing afterward. He perched on the bed and flipped between news is channels looking for any reports of his disappearance from Hawaii State Hospital but he found none. Randall sat for several several moments in a state of disbelief. He'd done it. He'd actually done it after more than thirty six years in the hospital labeled an incurable violent psychopath randall. Saito was a free man but it would only last so long coming up the authorities catch up to Randall Saito. Hey Friend I wanNA tell you about the new three dollar Littlejohn from Jimmy. Johns a skinny mini version of any original sandwich. For only three Reebok's it's littler than a regular sandwich which is perfect if you're not super hungry or if you want to try a couple of different sandwiches or if you like bragging that your lunch only only cost three dollars order. Three Dollar Littlejohn at Jimmy. John's dot com or with the Jimmy John's APP participating locations taxes and delivery fees. Extra extra now back to the story on Sunday November twelfth two thousand seventeen fifty nine year. Your old Randall. Toshio Saito walked out of Hawaii state. Hospital caught two different flights and started a new life on the Lam in Stockton Stockton California however his freedom was short lived while the staff at the hospital. were slow to report Randall's disappearance they. She did eventually call the police about eleven hours after he'd walked out the front door it gave him enough of a head. Start to reach California but by the next day a man hunt was underway three days after his escape on Wednesday November Fifteenth Eighteenth. Randall took a cab from his hotel room. In Stockton to a local Walmart he'd purchased a new cell phone there the previous day but realized is it was defective and wanted to return it after visiting the store on the ride back to the hotel. The driver asked Randall if he'd mind stopping for gas. Yeah along the way while the cabbie filled up randall went inside the convenience store when he came back outside. He was greeted by several police officers. The taxi driver had recognized Randall from a news bulletin and called nine one one while he was inside the Walmart Walmart. Randall was arrested and extradited back to Hawaii to face charges of escape and identity theft but even after his his capture. Many questions remained unanswered Randall. Saito was clearly abetted. In his escape someone had had stashed a backpack in the park for him with a change of clothes. An iphone a portable charger and over six thousand dollars in cash. He also also had to false driver's licenses issued in Illinois and Washington State. Finally his charter flight from Honolulu to Maui are we was pre-booked. Indeed in the wake of the ordeal seven hospital. Employees were suspended for a month without pay in in the course of their investigation. Authorities learned that Randall was given Special Treatment Facility for years. He was allowed to roam the grounds unattended on an honor system as long as he checked back in at the end of the day. He was escorted off site multiple times to see his wife and engage agents sexual trysts. Randall was also involved sexually with three different hospital staff members. He allegedly traded sexual favors favors for access to cell phones and pornography though the details of exactly how he managed to acquire a stack of cash. Fake driver's licenses and a charter plane flight have never been released. An official report on the matter determined the absence of comprehensive procedures to account for patients whereabouts the lack of communication between staff performing different functions and the relaxing of patient oversight contributed. Not Not only does Saito's being able to escape from the facility but to an eleven hour delay in reporting this escape. Randall was originally committed in nineteen eighty one for the murder of twenty nine year old Sandra Yamashiro. He was sent to the hospital instead instead of prison after he was found. Not guilty by reason of insanity. Randall had approached Sandra in a mall. Parking lot shot her in the face with a pellet gun then stabbed her to death in the trial proceedings he was determined to be pathologically violent. A sexual oh sadist and NECROPHILIAC who quote fills all the criteria of a classic serial killer even though he had only killed one person so far the doctors who evaluated him. Were certain he'd kill again if given the chance. However after the two thousand seventeen escape attempt Randall? Saito claimed that he had intentionally exaggerated his mental health symptoms in nineteen eighty one. He wanted to guarantee he'd be committed to a hospital instead of prison. He insisted that he wasn't a psychopath. At the time of Sandra Yamashiro murder Randall was a heavy user of LSD and PCP. He claimed that his excessive drug and alcohol use led him to murder not mental illness. He advocated for his release several times during his three and a half decades of commitment but was repeatedly denied therefore he mounted his escape. He called it an act of desperation. Randall alleged edged. The true reason he left. The hospital was to prove he wasn't a danger to society he said this was about buying myself time. I am in the community to prove that I could be in the community without doing anything. Wrong establishing a track record that I could be out for a month and no no one was hurt by me. However both Randall's attorney and the state of Hawaii disagreed with his reasoning? A two thousand fifteen fifteen medical evaluation stated that assessments of Randall. In the past have shown problems with lack of empathy lack of remorse and failure to accept responsibility he continues to be superficial in his relationships with others and manipulative. That last statement certainly only proved true. Two years later in two thousand seventeen when Randall convinced those around him to smuggle in the means for his breakout wrote. He's currently imprisoned in Honolulu awaiting trial on his escape and identity theft charges as of May of two thousand eighteen team officials are still unsure of his accomplices identity. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today. Intrude crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on on spotify. Just open the APP and type today and true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand new episode to Moro grow in true crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network work it is produced by Max Ron Cutler sound designed by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. Exactly this episode of today in true crime was written by Abigail Cannon. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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September 7, 2019: Tupac Shakur

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14:53 min | 1 year ago

September 7, 2019: Tupac Shakur

"Today is Saturday September seventh two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen ninety ninety six rapper too. Pasha core was fatally shot. Just off the Strip in Las Vegas Nevada. The rapper lived the sort of violent eylandt criminal life. He often sang about and he had numerous enemies at the time of the attack. Although several suspects have been suggested to to pox murder remains unsolved to this day welcome to today true crime apart cast original every day we flip back the calendar this date years ago and recount one one event from true crime history. I'm Vanessa Richardson and today we're going back to September seventh nineteen ninety six when rapper to who Porsche core and his music manager should night took what was meant to be a relaxing trip to Las Vegas instead the men got into a fight eight with a rival gang member and later that day unidentified assailants fired into shrugs car fatally injuring two pock before more. We unpacked the ramifications of the murder. Let's go back to September seventh nineteen ninety six shortly before eight PM at the MGM Casino in Las Vegas. The slots were hot. The women women were smiling. There was no place on earth quite like Las Vegas to parks. Shukor needed the night out. He'd been recording nonstop up for the past eight months for pairing for his next album. It was good work invigorating but it was also exhausting to make get all the more tiring he'd been shot two years before rumors circulated that he had lost a testicle in the shooting and the press had widely he reported onto pox emasculation. It was humiliating on top of that to pocket spent nearly a year in prison afterward. Good friends had turned their backs on him and to pocket tasted bitter betrayal so often he almost forgotten what loyalty felt like but his new manager should night was different like to park should came from the streets. Both men knew that blood was thicker than in water not just the blood in their veins but the blood they shed to both knew that to get ahead. You had to rough some people up nope. They each fought their way out of their brutal environments and now here they were in Las Vegas running the High Rolling World of commercial rap. Money and fame had their perks like tonight when to pop got to play a few hands and flirt Lord a bit before he and should watched Mike Tyson fight at the fabulous. Mgm Casino in Las Vegas Not bad for a poor boy from Harlem Harlem but when the fight was about to start should night was nowhere to be seen to park paced by the entrance no tickets that I was just typical. Shug he always had your back so long as you acknowledged that he was in control and his petty power moves ensured. Did you never forgot it to park had always had a temper it had gotten him in trouble before and he knew that should would have no patience chance for an outburst but he didn't care it was time to let should have it with seconds to spare before the fight began should push pushed through the crowd as quickly as it had begun to pox fury abated that was another of his traits quick to anger quick nick cool. He forced a smile and hoped it didn't look too strained. The pair gave their tickets to the usher and found their seats together. It was a good thing that show didn't arrive. Even a moment later. Mike Tyson entered the ring with a fury knocking out his opponent less than two minutes minutes into the match. It was an anti climactic ending two hours of anticipation but to pock was thrilled by the quick and brutal will fight. There was nothing like a tough guy who didn't put up with anything. Nobody was as impressive as the beast who shut an opponent down in seconds as the fans filed out of the auditorium to pot crowed fifty blows fifty blows. I counted them. Shook seemed to be in a hurry. He broke the usual routine steering to pock back to the casino rather than filing backstage ax stage to congratulate. Tyson on his victory to pock didn't know what the rush was but he trusted sug- he led his manager dictate there route just as they emerged from MGM's auditorium to tried to push his way through the crowd the press of people was constricting and all he could see in any direction was a sea of bodies but then like the Red Sea parting to pock looked forward through a gap in the crowd crowd and spotted someone. He thought he'd never see again. It was Orlando Baby Lane Anderson who publicly humiliated a two pack months earlier when Orlando and his friends jumped and robbed him to park wasn't the paranoid type but he was positive that Orlando. Oh was there to mess with him again. The rapper felt threatened like an animal trapped in a cage. He was no coward. He was Harlem alum tough but he knew what it meant to be vulnerable to be scared to think he was going to die. He never wanted to be a victim again and the only anyway not to be a victim was to be the victim Eiser with should by his side to pox Strode Torch's Orlando with swagger. He called you from the south before Orlando could do or say anything to poke pushed him against the wall he could see the fear in Orlando's is good scare. The other guy enough and you don't have to feel scared yourself to block was going to make sure that Orlando knew he wasn't to be messed with. He wasn't going to sit still and let his enemies come at him. You mess with to park doc no to pock messes with you. A single punch dropped Orlando to the ground like Tyson had done in the ring minutes before four to park now dominated his opponent. No mercy not playing just a brutal effective beat down a few kicks and thrusts slater and Orlando didn't have any fight left in him was that blood on his fists might be all the better better. Let him be an example. Let the people talk for a minute to pock lost himself caught up in the thrill of the fight. He was startled. When a hand came down on his shoulder he almost came around swinging only to see that the man at his back back was should night. Good old shook always thinking a few steps ahead he indicated to the security camera mounted on the ceiling and said I said let's go to park couldn't agree more. He wanted his rivals to know he was tough but he didn't need to go to prison again to prove it shook into park hurried out of the casino passed a Bouncer who watched them with suspicion to park settled into the passenger seat of shucks. BMW. He was still jazzed from the fight. Loving the thrill he felt alive. He turned to look at sugar in the driver's seat. It was great when someone had your back as annoying as should could be with his tardiness and power plays he always turned up when it counted whether he visited needed to talk in prison or pulled him from the scene of the crime before the police could arrive. Shug was always there to pock wasn't worried read about the security camera footage sug- would take care of it more importantly to poke knew that he didn't need to worry about Orlando Anderson anymore more after that beating it would be a long time before anybody messed with two Pasha core again up next to pock learns that his confidence is misplaced now back to the story on September seventh nineteen ninety six to Paktia corner and his manager. Shug night visited Las Vegas to watch a boxing match the the announcer well-meaning fight was almost upstaged when to pock jumped arrival in the casino lobby afterward only hours after the beatdown on at the MGM Casino and unidentified assailant fired ten to fifteen shots into should nights car while they idle at a stoplight blight while shook escaped serious injury to pock took four hits to his chest and torso to pock was rushed to the University University Medical Center of Southern Nevada where he lingered in critical condition for six days on September Thirteenth Nineteen Nineteen Ninety six to pock Shukor died today. The shooting is still unsolved. Several suspects have been put forward as to the perpetrator of TUPUC murder. Most people agree that he died as part of the ongoing East East Coast West Coast hip hop rivalry in November nineteen ninety four to park was shot five times outside a recording studio in Times Square air because the shooting was never solved. It's impossible to say the motive behind it. Although to pock suspected that puff daddy put a hit on him for for threatening to leave the label and that Puff Daddy's star performer notorious B I g was involved to pox survived the shooting thing only to sign with west coast producer should night in October nineteen ninety-five presumably notorious B I g and puff. Daddy ordered to park murdered to take out his competitions. Most lucrative artist adding fuel to this theory notorious B. I G was murdered. I heard on March ninth nineteen ninety seven six months after two pox death his murder to is unsolved but notorious B I g isn't the only notable figure who's been suggested as to pox killer. Some believe I believe that to park may have been killed by Orlando Anderson or his associates as retribution for the beat down to pock initiated the same night not he was shot other suggests that to pox manager. Shug night put a hit on the artist because he was threatened by two pox success or in response to the rumors that to park was considering founding his own rival label. Thanks to a culture of silence. Few of two pox friends or family members. Were willing to cooperate with homicide investigators. Even sug- who witnessed the shooting firsthand declined declined to give a statement to the police after two pox death the east coast west coast rivalry continued to heat up and the rap scene earned under reputation for brutal violence but while the well publicized crimes and scandals tarnish the reputations of many great musicians they also lead to more record sales today to talk has eleven platinum albums and was inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame in two thousand seventeen. He's widely regarded to be one of the greatest rappers of all time and while his death was is tragic to pox reputation as an artist will never be overshadowed by his untimely murder for more information on the life and death of to park auctioned core check out our episode of the dark side of on should night which comes out September ninth and explores the culture of violence that was so so prevalent in the nineties rap scene. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other parkas originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite. Everett music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop top or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful it for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast cast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow. In true crime today and true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound design by Kerry Murphy With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul Molitor Maggie Admire Carly Madden and Travis Clark. This episode of today and true crime is written by Angela Jorgensen. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

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13:40 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

"I'm thrilled to tell you about another incredible podcast original. I'm hosting called today in true crime. It's a new daily podcast cast that takes you back to the biggest events in true crime that happened each day in history and right now. I'm gonna play today's episode for you to hear new episodes roads every day subscribed today in true crime for free on spotify anywhere you listen to podcasts today is monday august twenty sixth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen sixteen virginia hill was born born on a horse farm in lipscomb alabama as an adult she would go on to become one of america's most infamous mob queens welcome to today and true crime apar- cast original original every day. We flip back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm vanessa richardson and today today we're going back to the birth of virginia hill who eventually became one of the most towering figures in the national criminal underworld she he was arguably the most powerful female mob boss of her era wielding wealth glamour and sex like deadly weapons but she rose rose from humble beginnings before we unpack the ramifications of virginia hills life. Let's go back to the evening of her birth. On august twenty-sixth nineteen sixteen a little after supper as another day on the farm came to a close margaret hill sat at the dining table worrying. One of the kids massaged her bloated feet another wash. The dishes a third dried where the other three had gotten to goodness new margaret could only hope they were staying out of have trouble as far as their father went. She didn't even bother to hope she knew. Mack was getting into trouble. He'd earned a bit bit of cash this past week that would go towards drink. Not the grocery bills on top of it all this baby he. He wouldn't stop kicking. He would be a strong one. Maybe he ended up better stud farmer than his father. Maybe she'd managed to keep him from the drink. Shrink make him a standup type. The kind who'd care for his woman treat her tenderly set aside every penny for his family or it could be a girl but god forbid a woman this strong the world treated strong girls harshly well men. Did they beat them down. Sometimes they just flat out beat them. She concluded thinking of her husband. Margaret gasped and and clutched her ballooning stomach. She'd known it was coming and soon but tonight. This baby was wasting no time her son with margaret's feed in his lap looked at her with concern. She smiled at him weekly whispering softly. Don't don't worry little one. It'll be over soon. I should know it's the seven-time around. Margaret looked around the room room with a sigh. Mac wasn't here but she'd handle it herself. She had before kids. Come over to your momma. She gasped as is another contraction hit. You sweetie pie. Go around to the neighbors and ask if anyone is free to come help with a birth over here and you honey girl you go find any of your brothers and sisters you can muster margaret glanced at a framed photo of her with mac and their firstborn sitting at a picnic and laughing another kind of pain passed over her face for a moment not a contraction this time after after a moment of hesitation she looked back at her daughter and added and once you found the other kids go look for your daddy down at the tavern to the two children's scattered running through the hill families ramshackle four room house the little foot rubber sat still and asked softly. We mama what should i do. It took margaret a moment to reply her mouth was busy twisting in pain but but then she swung her legs to the floor patted his little knee and explained that she needed him here with her to help her with the pain her eyes blinked quickly to clear away the water then focused on his silky head of hair hair so shiny and beautiful that hair but it wouldn't be for long if he didn't get enough to eat every train of thought led her back here to the question of how she'd feed her six six little ones and now this new baby on the way money she so desperately needed money winter was coming ming. They'd need to keep warm to eat that cost money. A shiver ran down her back. She'd lived through to cold winters before winters where every day hunger gnawed at her belly so had her children. The kids were smart and strong. They could look out for themselves and each other while she was gone. They'd be fine alone but with their father if he was home alone with them after drinking. She wasn't as sure they'd be all right. Margaret shivered again harder this time another contraction hit. She gritted her teeth. The door bursts open interrupting her pain. It was the the anti from next door with two of the kids. The neighbor took charge margaret leaned against her as they limped into the bedroom the children pod at their mother's wrists and ankles until they were ordered off to boil the water and collect clean rags. Margaret shut her eyes for the first time since before sunup worry as always flashed across her mind she could almost hear the elusive clink of coins in somewhere far away but this wasn't the time for that it was time to pray to pray for a living healthy the. Baby though she wasn't so worried about that this time after those vigorous kicks to pray that the baby would live happy and safe and well to pray that grew up to have more than she had now to pray that it would follow god's path coming up. We'll hear how far from god margaret's baby fell and how far from poverty eighty she rose now back to the story on august twenty sixth nineteen twelve margaret hill gave birth earth to virginia hill on a small horse farm in lipscomb alabama virginia like her mother and her siblings lived through hunger and through her father's violent drunken rages he beat the children as well as their mother but even from an early age virginia resented his treatment at seven years old she threw hot sausage greece on him fighting back against his blows at fourteen eighteen or fifteen she left home and married her first husband her father's treatment however had left. It's mark from the time virginia. It was a little girl. She knew she could never fall in love. Her mother had fallen in love with mac and look where that had gotten her and everywhere around her. Even in more peaceful households virginia saw a different version of the same story playing out. It's long sad narrative women giving men taking she was going to flip that story and use men as stepping stones to fame fortune cheon and power in nineteen thirty three at age seventeen. She made her way to chicago. Worship quickly found her way into a circle of high profile mobsters i as a girlfriend then as a currier and eventually as powerful full keeper of secrets with amel against almost every prominent mobster in chicago and on the east coast she was valued in mob circles circles across america for her good memory her ability to charm and defuse tension and her particular talent for talking up a storm without l. revealing anything she didn't want to ultimately her talents led her to become a powerful mob boss in her own right she sat at tables abel's with al capone and lucky luchino handled millions for the mob and made millions more for herself and that's not uneven the half of it would makes virginia's stories so fascinating is the fact that she used the stereotypes and condescension men applied to her at every turn to her advantage. She was a strong woman. As margaret had worried she he might be but she was able to mold and manipulate her strength into shapes that worked for her in the male dominated criminal underworld after that first pan of hot oil she threw at her abusive father her methods for fighting against male dominance grew more subtle and complicated did they didn't necessarily look like feminism in fact virginia encouraged male assumptions about her frivolous emotional and superficial schol nature but all the while she was playing them and giving as good as she got if not far more margaret didn't need to worry about this baby virginia hill did well for herself but the crime betrayal and mistrust that characterized her lifestyle took their toll eventually she ended up testifying in televised senate mob hearings that captured captured the nation evading i._r._s. charges of tax evasion and fleeing to europe where she lived out the rest of her short life she had attempted suicide many times but in nineteen sixty six at age forty nine a final try killed her however ever her fascinating story exemplifies many of the challenges that face women of her era whatever their profession it also shows one one unique brave and often ingenious approach to achieving enormous goals against all odds. Thanks for listening to today true crime. I'm vanessa richardson for more more information on virginia hill. Check out the episodes of female criminals the dive deeper into her life and crimes and for more stories of mobsters check out the podcast original kingpins today and true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast. I originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now specifies making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite britt park cast originals like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us no how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow. Oh in true crime today and true crime was created by max. Cutler is a production of cutler media and part of the podcast network. It's produced by maxon ron cutler sound design by karie murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro paul molitor maggie admire and carly madden this episode of today day in true crime is written by nora patel. I'm vanessa richardson. I hope you liked today's episode. You can hear a new episode every day to hear tomorrow's all new episode followed today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts.

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September 25, 2019: The Bricca Family

Today in True Crime

13:20 min | 1 year ago

September 25, 2019: The Bricca Family

"Today is Wednesday September twenty fifth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen in sixty six the small community of Green Township a suburb of Cincinnati Ohio was drastically changed for the worst a young couple all named Jerry and Linda Brecca and their four year old daughter Debbie were brutally murdered in their own home when their bodies were discovered two days later under the community of green township was forever scarred by their loss welcome to today and true crime podcast original every day. We flipped back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm Vanessa Richardson and today I'm joined by our guest host Patrick kinds of the true through crime obsessed podcast. He's here to discuss some of the historical aspects of the break- family well. I'll cover the narrative everyone. I'm Patrick and I'm here to dive into into the brick. A family murders due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised this episode features discussions of graphic murder including the murder of a child extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Let's go back to the evening of September twenty fifth one thousand nine hundred sixty six the evening of the killings after a long day at the office. Jerry Briscoe was eager to get home. He'd spent his weekend working hard hard to earn a promotion and he hoped he'd get enough sleep to go back to work the next morning he pulled into the driveway and smiled when he saw his wife and and little girl watching television in the living room he was so happy to be home. The son had long set as Dick Meyer peered through his window blinds lines. The brick is empty. Garbage cans had been sitting at the curb for two days now to make matters worse. He could hear their dogs barking. They'd been barking ceaselessly for hours and it was driving his wife up the walls. Meyer had known the breakers for three years ever since they've moved in two doors down. They were a nice young couple. Linda could be a little aloof at times but she and her adorable little four year old. Debbie spent a lot out of time tending to the garden and waving at anyone who walked by but they hadn't been in the garden for two days. They hadn't gotten the paper for two who days Meyer had even called the Monsanto plant where Jerry worked. The kid hadn't punched into work for two days. Something go dreadfully wrong at his wife's. Urging Meyer called his friend and neighbour Richard Johnson Richard had also found the stillness of the brick home disturbingly suspicious together the two set off down the street flashlights in hand to investigate the situation as Meyer approached the brick home. He imagined the best possible scenario he would knock. Jerry would answer Linda Debbie would say hello. Oh they explain. They were simply taking a couple of days off to be together. He would invite them to dinner. Everything would be fine. Everything would be the same mm but the barking cut through his daydream. He looked towards the backyard fence but no dogs moved between the slats. His is followed the sound to an open basement window. He could hear them panicked frightened and lonely. The brick is never put their dogs down there and if the bricks hadn't done that Myers breath tightened he and Richard froze when they reached the brick driveway. They looked at each other both of them nervous. Neither wanted to go inside but they needed to know for sure. The men steel field their nerves nodded then approached the front door. They rang the doorbell then waited after they were met with cold silence. Meyer reached his hand forward and tried the KNOB. The door was unlocked. Meyer pushed it open and slowly peaked his head inside as his face past the threshold. His nose was flooded with an odor straight from his past. He'd smelled this before more than twenty years earlier. During the war rotting human flesh sh the smell was overwhelming both physically and emotionally. Meyer asked Richard to go call the police he would stay here and guard the door for Meyer stood outside the brick home for a long time dreading what he knew would come next. The police were only on the clock fourteen eighteen hours a day so he was sure Richard would have to knock on a couple of doors to get them out here. He wanted them to take as long as they possibly could. When they finally arrived Meyer took another deep breath in he warned them of the smell as the officers walked past but there was no way they could have been prepared. They exited the house gagging and coughing before departing they later returned turned with industrial sized fans. They blew the foul air out into the night sky waiting for the stench to become tolerable after after some time. The police finally entered the building. Meyer watched as one of the officers exited the house deep sadness in his eyes. The officer officer said three dead a man a woman and a little girl. We think they're the brick but none of us knew them while they were alive. Protocol dictates we receive a positive identification but their closest family members aren't answering our calls Myers. There's heart sank. He knew what they were about to ask and he knew he would agree. The officer continued. We'd like you to look at the bodies. Meyer wiped a tear from his eye and nodded then he followed the officer inside will learn about the specifics of the murders as well as their fallout within the community after this and and now back to the story on September Twenty Fifth Nineteen Sixty six Jerry Linda and Debbie Brecca were murdered in in their own home. Their bodies would be discovered by their neighbors. Dick Meyer and Richard Johnson Meyer was a combat veteran during World War Two but but nothing could have prepared him for the display of gruesome violence he would encounter in the brick home that day patrick will take us through the rest of the story. Thanks Vanessa. The home had been ransacked with items thrown in every corner. Jerry in Linda's bodies had been put on their bed laying face to face one on top of the other. Linda was wearing her nightgown and had been stabbed eight times with a very long knife six of those stabs CBS had pierced her right chest. Two of them had pierced her head. Jerry had been stabbed in the back four times three times in the neck and twice in his head the couples blood had covered their bed and most of the floor and their flesh had begun to rot as horrific as that site was the most disturbing aspect of the crime was the fact that Debbie their four year old daughter had not been spared the young girl practically still a toddler had been stabbed four separate times each blow had been powerful enough to pierce her entire body and her corpse have been found laid out on the floor of her bedroom. Investigators surmise that she had likely likely been asleep when her parents had been attacked this means that the killer had likely murdered Linda Jerry then went out of his or her way to kill Debbie as well an unnecessarily elite vile act in addition to the brutality several other aspects of the crime stood out to investigators. The brick is dogs had been locked in their Baseman c'mon. The brick is typically kept her dogs in the backyard so it seemed that they had been moved to the basement by the killer to make the situation with the dogs. Even stranger evidence at the scene indicated that the dogs had been sedated likely to keep the dogs docile during the attack additionally a window to the basement had been left open indicating to investigators investigators that the killer had likely snuck into the brick is home through there to make matters more interesting. The bricks kitchen seemed to be missing. A single carving knife had had the carving knife been present its size likely would have matched the size of the wounds made in the body's. It seems that the killer had broken into the brick is home and use their own knife to do the killing doing unfortunately the murder weapon was nowhere to be found so this theory would not be confirmed one way or the other officers believed it was likely the killer had thrown the knife in the garbage cans on the curb as he laughed as the cans would have been emptied the next day and taken immediately to the dump. The murder weapon would be lost forever in an unsearchable pile of trash. All of these details together suggested that the killer likely knew the Burqa family personally and the attack would have required careful planning the killer had got to have brought sedatives with the express purpose of using them on the dogs. The killer would have known the layout of the brick home and the killer would have known the trash pickup schedule yet even with all of this information investigators were unable to find many plausible suspects. They're only lead a veterinarian who had temporarily worked for seem. The most likely suspect backed however he acquired a lawyer who refused to cooperate with the police and the investigation stalled indefinitely the murder remains unsolved to this day however however the effect the crime had on the green township community was stark and immediate before the brick murders green township was a place where everybody left their doors unlocked and their windows open the area was so peaceful and crime so rare that the Green Township Police Department was only open fourteen hours a day people were friendly and trusting and spent their evenings as cooling off on their porches chatting with their neighbors however after the murders the climate change drastically newspapers at the time reported that residents started buying ice picks tear gas guns shotguns pistols ammunition door locks barrel bolts and door chain guards in an effort to protect themselves. They adopted an overwhelming number of large dogs from their local shelters. They petitioned their city governments to install more street lights and they moved a Halloween festivities to the the afternoon rather than the evening. They also expanded police hours to twenty four hours a day. The small community was forever changed by this single Google brutal crime. It's memory and the mystery of the killer will continue to hunt them for years to come hello. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Thanks again Patrick Trick for joining me today. Thanks so much for having me you guys you can find my podcast true crime obsessed on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts for more information on on the brick of family murders listen to our unsolved murders episode on the topic today in true crime is a par cast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify Natalie to spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in entr crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at par cast grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do. We love let us know how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand a new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast Austin network it is produced by Max Ron Cutler sound design by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Freddie Beckley. This episode of today in true crime was written by Giles Hav Seth. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

Crimes of Passion

13:37 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: TODAY IN TRUE CRIME, a new Parcast Original!

"They i'm thrilled to tell you about another incredible. New podcast original called today in true crime. It's a daily podcast that takes you you back to the biggest events and true crime that happened each day in history and right now. We're going to play today's episode for you to hear an all new episode tomorrow tomorrow follow today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts. I hope you enjoy it. Today is monday august twenty sixth two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen sixteen virginia hill was born on a horse horse farm in lipscomb alabama as an adult she would go on to become one of america's most infamous mob queens. You're welcome to today and true crime podcast original every day. We flip back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm vanessa richardson and today we're going back to the birth of virginia hill who eventually became one of the most towering figures in the national criminal underworld. She was arguably probably the most powerful female mob boss of her era wielding wealth glamour and sex like deadly weapons but she rose from from humble beginnings before we unpack the ramifications of virginia hills life. Let's go back to the evening of her birth. On august twenty sixth fixed nineteen sixteen a little after supper as another day on the farm came to a close margaret hill sat at the dining table worrying. One of the kids massaged her bloated feet another other wash the dishes a third dried where the other three had gotten to goodness new margaret could only hope they were staying out of trouble as far as their father went. She didn't even bother to hope she knew. Mack was getting into trouble. He'd earned a bit of cash josh this past week that would go towards drink. Not the grocery bills on top of it all this baby. He wouldn't and stop kicking. He would be a strong one. Maybe he'd end up a better stud farmer than his father. Maybe she'd managed to keep him from the drink. Make him a standup type. The kind who care for his woman treat her tenderly set aside every penny for his family or it could be a girl but god forbid a woman this strong the world treated strong girls harshly well men. Did they beat them down. Sometimes they just flat out beat them. She concluded thinking of her husband. Margaret gasped and clutched <unk> her ballooning stomach. She'd known it was coming and soon but tonight. This baby was wasting no time her her son with margaret feed in his lap looked at her with concern. She smiled at him weekly whispering softly. Don't worry a little one. It'll be over soon. I should know it's the seventh time around. Margaret looked around the room with a sigh kyw. Mac wasn't here but she'd handle it herself. She had before kids. Come over to your momma. She gasped as another contraction contraction hit. You sweetie pie. Go around to the neighbors and ask if anyone is free to come help with a birth over here and you honey girl girl you go find any of your brothers and sisters you can muster margaret glanced at a framed photo of her with mac and their firstborn sitting sitting at a picnic and laughing another kind of pain passed over her face for a moment not a contraction this time after a moment formative hesitation she looked back at her daughter and added and once you found the other kids go look for your daddy down at the tavern to the to to children's scattered running through the hill families ramshackle four room house. The little foot rubber sat still and asked softly momma. What should i do. It took margaret a moment to reply her mouth was busy twisting in pain but then she swung her legs to the floor patted his little knee and explained that she needed him here with her to help her with the pain her eyes blinked quickly quickly to clear away the water then focused on his silky head of fair hair so shiny and beautiful that hair but it wouldn't be for for long if he didn't get enough to eat every train of thought led her back here to the question of how she'd feed her six little little ones and now this new baby on the way money she so desperately needed money winter was coming. They need to keep warm to eat that cost money. A shiver ran down her back. She'd lived through to cold winters before winters where every day hunger gnawed at her belly so had her children. The kids were smart and strong. They could look out for themselves and each other while she was gone. They'd be fine alone but with their father if he was home alone with them after drinking. She wasn't sure they'd be all right. Margaret shivered again harder roger this time another contraction hit. She gritted her teeth. The door bursts open interrupting her pain. It was the anti from next door with two of the kids. The neighbor took charge margaret leaned against her as they limped into the bedroom. The children pod at their mothers wrists and ankles until they were ordered off to boil the water and collect clean rags. Margaret shut her eyes for the first time since since before sunup worry as always flashed across her mind she could almost hear the elusive clink of coins somewhere somewhere far away but this wasn't the time for that it was time to pray to pray for a living healthy baby. Maybe though she wasn't so worried about that this time after those vigorous kicks to pray that the baby would live happy and safe and well the hell to pray that it grew up to have more than she had now to pray that it would follow god's path coming up. We'll hear how far from god margaret's baby fell and how far from poverty she she rose now back to the story on august twenty sixth nineteen twelve margaret hill gave birth to virginia jinya hill on a small horse farm in lipscomb alabama virginia like her mother and her siblings lived through hunger and through her father's bothers violent drunken rages he beat the children as well as their mother but even from an early age virginia resented vented his treatment at seven years old she threw hot sausage greece on him fighting back against his blows at fourteen or fifteen she left home and married her first husband her father's treatment however had left. It's mark from the time. Virginia was a little oh girl. She knew she could never fall in love. Her mother had fallen in love with mac and look where that had gotten her and everywhere around her her. Even in more peaceful households virginia saw a different version of the same story playing out. It's long sad narrative. Women women giving men taking she was going to flip that story and use men as stepping stones to fame fortune and power in nineteen thirty three at age seventeen. She made her way to chicago where she quickly weekly found her way into a circle of high profile mobsters i as a girlfriend then as a courier and eventually as powerful keeper borough secrets with amel against almost every prominent mobster in chicago and on the east coast she was valued in mob circles across across america for her good memory her ability to charm and defuse tension and her particular talent for talking up a storm without revealing feeling anything she didn't want to ultimately her talents led her to become a powerful mob boss in her own right. She sat at tables with al al capone and lucky luciano handled millions for the mob and made millions more for herself and that's not even the the half of it would make virginia's story so fascinating is the fact that she used the stereo. Prototypes and condescension men applied to her at every turn to her advantage. She was a strong woman. As margaret had worried she might be but she was able to mold and manipulate her strength into shapes that worked for her in the male dominated criminal underworld after after that first pan of hot oil she threw at her abusive father her methods for fighting against male dominance grew more subtle and complicated they didn't necessarily look like feminism in fact virginia encouraged to mail assumptions about her frivolous emotional and superficial nature sure but all the while she was playing them and giving as good as she got if not far more margaret margaret didn't need to worry about this baby virginia hill did well for herself but the crime betrayal and mistrust trust that characterized her lifestyle took their toll eventually she ended up testifying in televised senate mob hearings that captured the a nation evading i._r._s. charges of tax evasion and fleeing to europe where she lived out the rest of her short life she had attempted attempted suicide many times but in nineteen sixty six at age forty nine a final try killed her however her fascinating story exemplifies many of the challenges that faced women of her era. Whatever their profession it also shows one unique unique brave and often ingenious approach to achieving enormous goals against all odds. Thanks for listening to today in true crime. I'm vanessa richardson for more information on virginia hill. Check out the episodes of female criminals the dive deeper into her life and crimes and for more stories of mobsters check out the park cast original kingpins today and true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes today. In true crime and all other podcast originals us for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast asked originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the app and type today in true crime in the search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true crime today true crime was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network. It's produced by max and ron cutler sound designed by karie murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro paul molitor maggie admire and carly madden this episode of today in true crime. Crime is written by nora battelle. I'm vanessa richardson. If you like what you heard you can hear an all new episode tomorrow and every day follow today and true crime for free on spotify and anywhere. He listened to podcasts.

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S2: Halloween: The Friendly Stranger

Parcast Presents: Summer of '69

27:09 min | 11 months ago

S2: Halloween: The Friendly Stranger

"Due to the graphic nature of this urban legend listener discretion is advised this episode includes depictions of Murder Gore and car accidents we advise stream caution for children under thirteen. You're a good person everyone says so places was written by Lil deridder Jennifer Shay I'm Greg Paulson hatchet and she brings it down on your head percents. Halloween feed on spotify you can find episodes of haunted places and all other podcasts originals free on spotify or wherever you're a mile or two of town when she reaches into her purse probably for one of those butter scotches all grandma's have them at all times listen to podcasts to stream haunted places free on spotify just open the APP and type haunted places in the search bar at par cast Bourbon Legends Halloween special every day for the month of October rebuilding our spooky spin on an urban legend that diving you realize something is off in the Harry armed hitchhiker variation she's far hairier than she should be it's a sign of deception into the history of the horror like it or not each terrifying tale contains a grain of truth it's also part of our series on we take you to the scariest aereas most haunted real places on earth at share their stories this episode is your grumbling to her about the state of the world what a metal sheen planks and the blinking crimson half light it's a up to eleven offering a story about mistaken identity acting on instinct and the dangers of taking people at their word in the friendly stranger a woman charms her way into your car but as you drive along we're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it we love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at of evil intentions and the vulnerable woman who finds the hitchhiker in her car is right to mistrust and fear them the you of course you'll give her a ride you say you help her remember her daughters address what a nice person you are she tells you welcome to haunted places car cast original. I'm Greg pulsing every Thursday me was convinced that black Friday was one of the circles of hell she hated the nonstop crowds the cross Genre Smith Music and the energy that radiated the store as everyone struggled to finish their shopping and find the best possible deals on everything except gender identity we get a far more nuanced take an examination of the Good Samaritan Pulse in an era where we rarely know our names we where we delve into the fascinating traditions behind the world's scariest holiday if you enjoy this episode be sure to check out the rest of the park what's that dates back to the nineteenth century the friendly stranger and variation the Harry armed hitchhiker amp the fear strangers on her feet then her back then her arms desperate shoppers were stepping right over her she tried to stand but someone's foot of a false woman is a common trope in horror stories inspired by the eroneous belief that an evil man needs only to put on a dress and makeup see a little old woman waiting by your car your first concern is for her you wonder what could have gone wrong she knows where she is what you can tint to transgender women simply because of a trend in fiction but if we examined the deception of the person in the backseat without the specific stories let alone the people we run into at the mall at the side of the road or more in our rideshare in its simplest elements the friendly streets the person behind her pushed into her other started pushing from the sides the gate hadn't even opened yet as it started to rise despite all the potential warning signs and does being a good person matter if you're dead sure of someone trying to step on her head before they changed directions mia curled up into a ball shaking slowly but footsteps began to read sure is a story about a woman struggling to decide how nice a person she can be without risking her own safety does she help someone when they ask for it in order to be seen as trustworthy while it has little basis in reality this boogeyman has even found its way into politics with many ascribing militias oh it hurt when she breathed mia staggered into the store like a Zombie praying that our beloved sweater wasn't sold out there fight the ninth circle of hell to get it usually a trip like this would take ten minutes instead it had taken several hours to even get to the arm but they pushed forward anyway elbows came towards her face she did her best to duck away from them but one swung straight into her eye was still one left in her size she looked left then right then plucked Iraq and healthy close to chest she wasn't even shopping for gifts this was a gift to herself she had waited months for designer chenille sweater to go on sale then she was ready to the parking lot this just was interior day but she had this winter and that's what mattered she took a deep breath and continue entrance of the store people hovered around the metal gate to the poor retail workers struggled to open it she could see the fear in their eyes and she I slowly ahead poked up over the rear seats panic started to set in she hadn't taken anyone to the store today was already on me a check your pockets her keys were still there maybe someone else had the same sticker but there was rose but none of them belonged to her finally she spotted the familiar worn out presidential campaign sticker on the back bumper the card mia paid for her sweater and headed out of the store into the chaos of the mall parking lot she stepped onto the sidewalk only to be nearly flattened pushed down again she covered her head with her hands and prayed for it all to be over more feed pounded across her body she felt the gentle feet steady but her balanced never been great to begin with she fell into the person in front of her but two of them tumble to the ground. Mia felt pressure fast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening today we examine a family of urban legend lost child she headed for the checkout the cashier smiled at her in sympathy they both agreed that the holidays brought out the worst in people people began to duck under the opening the rest of the crowd devolved into chaos mia was shoved from all sides she tried to keep her you stop it all night the flashing red indicating four way stop the driver to your left speeds through ignoring the right of way for them me tried to hang back but the crowd surged around her when they saw someone who looked like a manager step towards the door it was a false alarm of those passengers the ones who didn't want to converse so much as interrogate dill started to delve into more personal questions via white suv with the Rudolph the red nosed reindeer knows an Antler is affixed to it she threw herself backward nearly slipping on the black ice her she told me that she didn't pay enough attention to the world around her mia gave her a strained smile so dolores let the car running but maybe she had she had hit her head quite hard in the rush after all she didn't have I mean why this wasn't where she was supposed to be but the woman who gave her name as Dolores politely refused to go she was just so tired the success did her entire body ached from earlier but she always struggled with telling people know so she got into the forward she wanted to be home with their cheesy made for TV Christmas movies like yesterday she passed several Honda fits she walked the Aw Dolores instructed MEA to use the service roads rather than highways fewer drivers would make it easier for me to pay attention to the road on the back seat window in elderly woman stared up at her deep lines carved into her face she didn't look confused where do you live what did she do for work was there someone waiting for her to come home. These weren't the standard questions she was used to hearing and earlier harder. Dolores told me to be patient but turn would come when it came until then she should just enjoy the scenery instead she looked at ease content happy to be in the back of a stranger's car me did her best to explain indeed there was enough clearance for her stand up dark bruises for blooming hunter arms she was sure there were several matching ones on her legs and torso ignored the dig and follow Dolores instructions the sooner she could drop the other woman off the better mia asked for the next set of directions add it especially when Delors had just be rated her for not paying enough attention to the road a dog grant through the field sending now back to the story MIA had bravely endured the black Friday crowds to purchase a sweater but even after she escaped the friend driver's seat MIA pulled out of her spot nearly colliding with a car waiting for it she apologized as best she could dolores ticked at it didn't the back that had come from backing up to close to her mother's planters it was her car head to be she approached heard of me. I did want people sitting in her car she shouldn't have left it running it was very cold out here me was positive that she had it was something but mia hadn't expected to see several large knives one of them turmoil to speak when she caught sight of the floor. Dolores purse at spilled hope it buried beneath cough drops discount coupons and chapstick the large field running parallel to the road was beautiful spotty snow cover but she didn't understand why Dolores was telling her to look at was ahead of jet black hair. Dolores is hands free of any wrinkles as was her neck me open she appeared to have hit her head on something bent forward nearly in half but her wig had fallen to the ground and underneath way as mia headed towards her car she got a better look at the person's bad short gray curls me tap the heart to kick an old woman out of car did Lawrence asked if she could just drop her home the bus took too long these days everyone was always running powder up with each step it looked so happy sprinting to the snow without a leash or person to hold them back she wasn't prepared when the dog dope couldn't tell if Dolores was completely unconscious or just stunned either way she was closer to the knives they mocked me Dick Shoppers she found herself with another problem. There was an old woman in her car requesting a ride home always polite mia resigned yourself Her one possibility protection glinting on the floor of the car near the passenger side door MIA reached out slowly straight for her car she slammed on the brakes her whole body jerking against the steering wheel me. Check the rear view mirror to see if dolores was okay. Eight cold calculating searching MIA could only explain her unease in primal sense she was looking stop clause dolores to hit her head me was concerned for her elderly hitchhiker but the jostling had revealed a terrifying truth Dolores when there was enough room for her to get out MIA slithered off the seat and onto the asphalt she pushed the door back slowly strangers and the last one structure is the oddest she lived alone but she lied and told Dolores that her family was waiting for her in keeping her hand as low as she could her eyes locked into Laura's the whole time she strained and strain willing herself kate dry blood coming up MIA has to escape from the slasher in her car reach when Dolores stirred briefly mia felt cold metal brushed the tips over fingers it was as far as she could safely re wasn't old at all she was young with several bloody knives in her bag mia sized darted between the knives and Dolores the the task delores turned out to be distracting passenger a few minutes into the drive me almost crashed the car and worse the abroad she panicked in the moment she slid out from under the car each scrape the asphalt against your body meter free but delors looked lost in her own World Mia spoke louder and the older woman spoke again her voice different than it had which she took a deep breath and closed her hand around the blade the serrated edge dog into her skin she bit the behind she missed the old days where you could just hitch a ride from a kind stranger maybe ended up having a life changing experience me one year. Mia Stared for second uncertain if she should run or call the cops the woman's eyes opened they were escape route maybe she could misdirect dolores the door on the other side of the car opened and that slap shot with their uninjured hand dried blood and small rocks at caked into the wound making it nearly impossible to close her palm let alone square open I finished uninjured hand and checked the back seat window deloris round coke bottle glasses had cracked dangling precariously off at a Predator someone who didn't have any scruples came to violence MIA duct back down under the car away from the most he's terrified that her pursuer what here she was so tired the Bruce's from the mall made everything sore there was almost enough space for her to enter the door slide open a few more centimeters then she was yanked upwards her body fighting her every step of the way she was inches from freedom but she hadn't been careful enough hadn't been fast enough MIA watched dolores orthopedic shoes as they headed towards the field there was a choice here across the street and there were several trees and some houses far off in the distance if she could get to one of them she could ask for help or she it's it just open enough that it wouldn't make a noise she bit down under cheek as she pulled the knife out of her palm mia silence of her cheeks to stop herself from screaming. Mia pulled your hand back slowly. Dolores seemed out cold up towards the gray sky deloris was the first to speak she told me to step away from the car and head staring at Dolores now it was hard to believe that Mia had ever been fooled into thinking dolores was an old woman mia hadn't taken and the sound was deafening amidst the climate of the area snow beginning to fall she put her knife on the ground in grab for the handle put islets for starting to flutter meal used her other hand to gently grip the door handle she pressed it outwards slams against the door of the car her knife clatter to the ground she felt a blade against the back of her neck a small dribble of blood headed home if you go by chain letters and whispered rumours someone as with any force. Mia Paused from this angle she'd lost sight of Dolores me open the door a little wider and sing at the sound it made me push the door open centimeter by centimeter Kare is locked onto Loris burgle out some sort of response then she fell blood splattering in the fresh Snow Mia slid into the driver's seat they could see the fake reach lines and the areas where the makeup had sweated off they stood in silence staring each other down could try and save herself right now she never hurt someone before she was a good person but she didn't want to die what if taking a deeper slash against the woman's neck blood sprayed across her face and Torso Dolores brought her hands to throat she tried to a time to study your face in the shadows of her back seat and Dolores is distinctive glasses or the only detail she'd really noticed now knife wounds as filled with gravel and dirt me a winced as she climbed to her knees the movement was painful eight she pulled her shirt over her head and wipe the blood off her face then she put on her new sweater and dates all the way back to eighteen thirty four when the Stanford Mercury reported an account from a buggy driver who noticed a five o'clock shadow under Jack Mia capitalized on Dolores disorientation grabbing the knife with their uninjured hand she didn't stop to think her decisions through towards the field mia held up her hands and surrender she took two steps away from the car coming perilously close to the knife Eh sliding Downer skin deloris cleared her throat she ordered me to turn around Mia moved slowly the frame were unexpected amount of body hair unnerved by the confusing gender presentation the woman seeks out security guards who discover the old woman what clung to her the knife old stunt she blinked away tear Little Red Riding Hood and the Harry Armed hitchhiker are versions of a wolf in sheep's clothing a saying drawn from the New Testament which often describes breath was visible MIA's puffed in quick gasps while the trails ever enemies smooth long exhales curved made like she was going to pass Dolores at the last second she turned shoving her wounded hand into Dolores face the Louis Riel dangerous predators hiding in plain sight the Harry armed hitchhiker is itself part of a broader urban legend loosely referred to as the Front Little Red Riding Hood a male wolf disguises himself as a harmless old lady in order to kill and eat a young girl boiled down both she slid the blade across dolores as throat the skin split but she hadn't hit anything major MIA try to Ken Female Hitchhikers Bonnet The buggy driver asked the woman for help with the horses when she stepped out of the buggy he drove away he later discovered criminal as well this kind of deception has its roots more in folklore and religious texts that historical counts for example in the story two loaded pistols and eight hundred dollars in cash in the basket she left behind marking his passenger as not just a social deviant but is actually a man with a hatchet in his purse this notion of a man masquerading as a woman in order to sexually assault and murder and and accepted an offer of help from twenty nine year old set your cobb cobb sexually assaulted her bound her and then threw her off a dam into an the flat then asks for ride over to his car on the other side of the mall she gets an uneasy feeling and declines she later be harmed for anyone could be a wolf in sheep's clothing so are we to trust twenty two year old Julia Ashe was kidnapped from a department store parking lot and Waterbury Connecticut she had emerged from the store to discover her car had a flat tire stranger in this tale a well dressed man with a briefcase approaches a woman now she realizes she has a flat tire you offers to assist changes pretending to be an old woman has been trying to abduct and murder women by asking for ride at nearly every mall in the United States and Canada the savvy fun and safe brightly lit welcoming men and women are exactly what they appear to be on the surface the Harry armed hitchhiker indicates the he would be victim tends to realize something is wrong by noting the killer doesn't really fit the conventional appearance of an old woman usually an overly musket arm anyone and there was only one confirmed case of anyone using a flat tire as a diversion to abduct someone on December Sixteenth Nineteen Eighty nine installing fluorescent lights judging people by their outward appearance keep a safe or is the only safe choice to lock your car doors thanks again for tuning into haunted places we'll be back tomorrow with a new urban legend and on Thursday with a new icy pond Julia Ashe was found on Christmas Day her frozen feet sticking out of the ice both the front your favorite music but now spotify's making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like haunted places free from your phone lines that his briefcase has been left in her car containing some sort of blood-stained weapon he was 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Shopping malls are supposed to be donate to animal shelters you volunteer at the soup kitchen. Even when it's not Thanksgiving and you call people out when they say bigoted things so to grab at podcast and twitter at podcast network until tomorrow don't believe some of the things you hear believe in Ron Cutler with sound design by Karie Murphy Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul Molitor Maggie Admire and Travis Clark this episode upon only to beat them over the head at deduct them today to there have been no incidents of men masquerading as old women in order.

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Pearl Harbor

Haunted Places

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Pearl Harbor

"Mm-hmm. Ed sat at his post on the dock on able to move paralyzed by some unseen force. The darkness of the night was oppressive as the lapping waves slapped against the wooden beams that held the talk in place out upon the water floated to hulking behemoths of steel and iron their massive shapes only visible within the dark skies and dark waters. Thanks to the movements of their crews in the night, thousands of sailors bustled about the deck in the dim glow of the orange light Ed knew something horrid was about to happen. He tried to avert his eyes. But he could not look away the great metal beasts grown as they turned in the water from deep beneath the waves at heard, no Ed felt the shattering and trim Lous. Clink of metal on metal. The waves erupted inflame the metal halls of the metal beasts blasting into shards and fragments of their former selves oil spread across the water the flames spreading with it. All edco it here were the dying screams of the men on board. Ed woke from his nightmare drenched in sweat. He struggled to tap down. His fear is visceral terror. It had only been a dream, but something was terribly wrong. Still shaking. It got dressed and went to work at the docks that morning the morning of December. Seventh nineteen forty one. Welcome to haunted places on the Parkhouse network. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday. I take you to the scariest areas most haunted real places on earth this week. Join me on a supernatural journey to Pearl Harbor Hawaii. And discover why to this day. It's haunted. Par cast were grateful for you our listeners, you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave the five star review wherever you listening. It really does help we also now have merchandise. Head depar- cast dot com slash merch. For more information, listen to more episodes of haunted places as well. As par casts. Other podcasts on your favorite podcast directory. On December seventh nineteen forty one. The imperial Japanese navy air service attack, the US naval base at Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiian island of a wa who the horrific events were declared by president Franklin Roosevelt as a date that will live in infamy and ushered America into World War Two. I'm bad, quiet. Sunday morning. Eight battleships were more at Ford island along with some smaller support vessels. Just before eight AM a wave of one hundred eighty three Japanese planes, flew over Pearl Harbor, dropping armor, piercing bombs and torpedoes a second wave of seventy eight Japanese planes soon, followed. The US fleet was ambushed and decimated. In addition to Pearl Harbor, the Japanese also targeted other military bases on who including nearby Hickam airfield and Scofield barracks. Now the other side of the island severely incapacitating the US military's ability to fight back. In fact, only eight American pilots were able to launch planes and mountain air response during the attacks in just under two hours, the Japanese majorly crippled, the US's Hawaiian military installation, especially the naval force nearly eighty five percent of American planes on who were destroyed or damaged Twenty-one. Naval vessels were damaged destroyed or sunken by the time the attacks ended over twenty three hundred American servicemen and civilians had perished another twelve hundred people were wounded in response to Cimber eighth. The you. US declared war on Japan. Meanwhile, at Pearl Harbor destruction and chaos reigned a huge operation was underway. Locating survivors. Ronald shoved through the crowd as sailors clogging, the maze of small rooms that made up the third deck of the battleship USS West Virginia Ron heard someone barking orders to get top side. But he wanted to check the pumps when Ron hurried into pump room a one oh nine Clifford was already. They're inspecting the pipes. Suddenly the ship jilted, Ron and Clifford exchanged worried looks and turn to run for the door. In the hallway they collided with another sailor. He told them there was a fire blocking the ladder to the second deck, the three ran back into the pump room. The lights flicker then one out making the room pitch black. Luckily, Ron nura flashlight was and carefully felt his way over to it. Suddenly the ship lurched heart listening portside Ron almost fell but caught himself on the edge of some wooden crates the flashlight went flying, he crawled across the floor feeling for it. Ron found the flashlight and switched it on. He crawled over to Clifford and the other sailor their faces mirrored the terror he felt the ship was sinking. And there was nothing that could do about it. They furiously banged on a pipe hoping rescuers. What here? The ship lurched again and began tilting back the other way Lewis the other sailor cheered. But Clifford Sambre. He now knew they had sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Once their arms grew tired. They started taking turns banging on the pipe with a wrench every fifteen minutes or so by flashlight they took inventory. There were a few tools some emergency canned rations, an eight day clock and old blanket or to a wall calendar and pencil. Luckily, the broom had a fresh water pump, but dark enhanced the sounds of the room in odd ways, even all the way across the room. Ron could hear Clifford exhale tiny puffs of air when you pronounce certain words, it changed their sense of taste to each byte of the beef stew rations tasted delicious as that Tang. The Saul helped calm their nerves. Ron did pushups he and Lewis Ramzi eager to get out. The emergency beasts to rations were getting old fast. They were confident they would be saved. And once they were free. They were going to eat to their hearts content get drunk at the bar play pooling sing Christmas carols Clifford was different. He sat quiet and motionless in the corner. Ron watched Louis. Markelle third X on the calendar when they turned on the flashlight to portion food three days, you could hardly believe it. They had been stuck here. Three whole days. They tried to cheer Clifford up. But his eyes were ceaselessly dour Clifford looked away and kept banging the wrench against the wall. They eight beats to for the ninth straight meal on forced himself to swallow the gelatinous slime he was never again going to eat it. Once he got out, the endless, single taste and Clifford's endless sadness started to get on his nerves. They were going to be rescued. They had to be. Day five the room stank of feces and urine Ron was very tired. But he couldn't sleep. It was hard to sleep with frequent banging on the pipe his ears rang. He wasn't sure. But it's breath felt shorter than before. And now as the pipe rang he thought he could hear the whispering answer of the ship to their pounding. Eight and groaned and lurch against the current almost as if the ship itself wanted them to stop, but they would be saved. Day eight the sudden circle of light from the flashlight hurt Ron size. When Lewis turned it on to check the time the clock at frozen Lewis wound the clock, then Ron turned his head away has Lewis Mark the calendar bronze is were filled with tears tried to tell himself they've been caused by the burning light at the flashlight. It was Clifford's turn to Bank ranch, but he refused they asked what was bugging him. But he could only say the ship over and over again the ship that ship. The ship Ron knew what he meant. He'd heard the groans that had turned to screams piercing their ears with each client of the wrench. He heard the ringing cries of pain echoing from the walls. The shouts that kept him up ceaselessly awake. As the wall seem to press ever inwards cold metal on their bare flesh muffled by the water that filled the halls. He knew the ship wanted them to stop to give up to die. He just didn't care. They were going to be saved. He would have stopped eating the beef stew long ago. If he didn't think they would be saved. Inhale? XL? Clippers breeding seem to get louder with every breath. Moron hated his attitude almost as much as he hated the beef stew. Ron wanted smashes stupid smelly face in. He ran his tongue around his mouth his gums felt sore his tongue huge someone shifted in the darkness. Clifford's long nails click on the door as he fumbled with the hatch locks. He muttered like he muttered for all the days before. Ron got to his feet Clifford didn't respond to anything. They said he just kept missing with the door. Louis clicked on the flashlight Ron shoved Clifford away. A punch was thrown. A hit connected. The two traded blows in the claustrophobic dark and as flesh hit flesh, a low per began to stir within the room Bush, ship was pleased. They finally begun to hit each other. They finally stopped hitting it. By the end of the fight Clifford lay in a heap. His eyes glittering feverishly, blood and tears spilling over onto his sunken. Cheeks his mouth, swollen and bleeding. He curled into the fetal position. He began to laugh high pitched ugly giggles. He chuckled about the ship killing them. Slowly, he'd rather end it and ended now Ron sat cross-legged beside Clifford and put a comforting hand on his shoulder. They all could hear the ship. They were going to make it suffer just as much as they had. Louis picked up the wrench clicked off the flashlight and started banging on the pipe. Coming up. We'll have more from the haunting aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Depression, isn't just sadness anxiety, isn't just worrying. It's okay to not be okay. Asking for help isn't a weakness. 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You'll love that's better health dot com slash haunted. And now back to the story. Battleship USS West Virginia took nine torpedo hits during the Pearl Harbor attack. She caught fire and burned for thirty hours due to her construction and the heroic self sacrificing actions of some crew members she sunk with an even keel allowing a large number of sailors to evacuate. She eventually came to rest on the muddy bottom of Pearl Harbor forty feet below the ocean surface. The initial hours of the rescue effort were Catic, but somewhere along the way rescuers realized that they were hearing rhythmic banging from the forward hull of the West Virginia. Meaning that there were survivors alive and to MD in the sunken ship. Higher ups quickly determined that a rescue attempt was out of the question. The diving technology of the day was limited and the rescue effort was already stretched thin. These men had been killed long before they realized it immediately after the attack centuries were posted to guard the shipwrecks in the harbor at night guards could clearly hear the three surviving sailors on the sunk in West Virginia banging to alert rescuers to their position. The noises stopped just before Christmas over two weeks after the attack. In the spring of nineteen forty to the US S West Virginia was raised and towed into a dry dock salvage crews began the grim work recovering the drowned from the ship to their horror. They found pump room a one oh nine completely dry. Evidence of eaten rations and a calendar. Marked off until December twenty third sixteen days after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. They also found three bodies huddled together dead from high poxy or oxygen starvation. Eighteen year old Ronald unto cont twenty year old Clifford olds and twenty one year old Louis buddy Causton. Old seadogs say that in the wee hours of December nights at Pearl Harbor. You just might hear the three trapped sailors banging away hoping for a rescue. But will never arrive. During the attack at Hickam, Air Force base, Japanese planes, strafed Hickam barracks. A multi-storey dormitory and mess hall. This attack killed one hundred eighty nine people and wounded over three hundred more the huge canteen. Located in the center of the complex was directly hit by a five hundred pound bomb killing thirty five soldiers at breakfast. Many soldiers were also killed while they slept in their bunks beginning in nineteen fifty seven. Some of the barracks were converted to administration over time. The entire complex was added onto and renovated into offices. It's currently in use as the headquarters for the Pacific air forces or pack calf for short externally, many battle scars and bullet hits from the Japanese attack have been preserved as a show of respect internally. It's been transformed into a maze of. Cubicles and offices, the pack half h q building has developed a dark reputation as terrifying events take place within its walls. Mike young the plug and the boombox he had grown tired of hearing the same big band CD played throughout the halls day in and day out his superior said the music was meant to appease, the restless spirits who still resided in the building fifty years after the attack, but for him the music ate away at his soul as he tried to finish his overtime, accounting work for the day. Mike walk down the hall whistling. Finally, he could listen to his own music. They're gonna Pearl Jam smashing pumpkins good modern rock. Mike clan. Stop the overhead fluorescent office lights were flickering their snaps and buzzes filled. The office with unsettling sound the back of his neck pre-cold as he got the distinctive sense that someone was watching him. He turned around. But all he saw were empty cubicles. Mike crack dismissals a nervous habit. He had never grown out of perhaps he could finish his work at home or even do it tomorrow. Yes. He could do it tomorrow. He packed up his things and put them in a satchel then speed walk to the vending machine in the break room. He always ended the day by purchasing kit Kat bar. He pushed the buttons glancing around as the candy fell to the dispenser. He reached in and grabbed the candy bar, but he jumped. As the back of his hand, touch, something wet and cold. He pulled out the candy and looked at his hand. His skin was covered in scarlet the dripping pooling wetness of blood. He screamed and dropped to the ground. His hand falling on the kit, Kat par. He heard a loud snap but kit, Kat bar felt hard and brittle in his poems. Trembling he pinched, the plastic and peeled at pack instead of chocolate and wafers the rapper was filled with long thin white bombs broken. And it's palm Mike jumped then rubbed his eyes. The chocolate was chocolate again. But something else soon pulled his gaze. The little green numbers on the microwave began to count up rising faster and faster with each moment. Mike shuttered as the digital numbers hit one nine four one the microwave deigned shuttle. That's it. He was getting out of here. Mike race toward the exit panting and horror with each step. He took east dared at the elevator numbers while he waited he could sense a presence behind him. But he wasn't going to look. Finally, the elevator arrived, Mike jumped in and frantically pressed the ground level button. Mike breathed a sigh of relief via elevator jerk to a halt the numbers shifting between the floors and the doors sprang open. Mike watched as deep red blood poured into the elevator doors he coward, and then cried and terror staring at bodies stacked on top of bodies some piles rising taller than himself. The scent of copper filled the air blood flooded the ground and scorching red sunlight burned through the multitude of bullet holes peppering every surface and every corpse in the room, then the gunfire Kane. The blood splattered upwards in a morbid ballet of gruesome crimson, the body shook and fell apart as they were blasted to bits Mike shut his eyes tight and cowered in the corner at the elevator the health scape swirled around him until finally the door closed. His heart racing his skin like ice. He heard a disembodied laugh reverberating throughout the walls of the elevator. He braced himself for what would happen next as he prayed to God. And hummed nirvana trying to keep his mind off the possibilities. When it arrived at the ground, Mike burst from the elevator and sprinted outside the guard in the security booth, just outside the building automatically saluted, Mike, then noticed Mike's wide agitated is his pales sweat beat it skin and creased uniform the guard asked if he'd seen Charlie Mike nodded tongue tied the guard nodded back then return to his paperwork. Odd paranormal incidents on Hickam Air Force base are attributed to a victim of the Japanese attack turned poltergeist nicknamed. Charlie Charlie likes to steal coins. Switch off lights ring alarms slam doors, and file cabinets and mess with Cox Charlie's favorite place to cause. Chaos is the old dormitory turned to pack f h q. In the days after the attack several buildings at Hickam acted as makeshift field hospitals. The barracks ended up serving as a temporary morgue more. The attack victims were piled high allegedly trained military guard dogs have disobeyed orders shied away and whimpered when forced to enter pack FAQ. Additionally, many soldiers have had brushes with Charlie. Well, most walkaway at harmed the guards prefer not to risk it and spend their shifts in a tiny on air conditioned security booth, just outside pack FAQ instead of sitting at the front desk in the air conditioned lobby inside the building. But at Pearl Harbor, even the outdoors can be home to the spirits born from that tragic night. Coming up. We'll meet more of these very spectres of Pearl Harbor scare you to sleep is chock full of by neural sound effects that won't jerky awake. Bill actually creep you'd asleep. Scare you to sleep isn't a podcast podcast. But I think you'll find their spooky bedtime stories soothing and also possibly Irving you'll hear quality stories from published authors as well as up and coming authors, be sure to check out the guided nightmare sewed where Shelby the host uses meditation exercises to make sure your is immersed as possible with your very own horror story, you can even send in your own horror stories to be considered for the show from ghosts in the bayou to serial killers in the nine hundred ninety s they've got everything you need to be scared to sleep for those of you who love horror and need a little noise to help you drift on. Off this podcast is for you. You can find scary to sleep on apple podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. And now back to the story. Airplane hangar? Thirty seven stance on Ford island at the center of Pearl Harbor, and what's the primary post for seaplanes at the time of the attack when their planes were destroyed Americans fought back from the hangar area setting up and firing machine guns at the invading Japanese after the attack some survivors temporarily lived in hangar thirty seven today. The vast forty two thousand square foot hangar houses the Pacific aviation museum. It features a rotating collection of vintage mainly World War Two aircraft preserved Pearl Harbor airplane, wreckage and movie theater for history hills. Some of the attack damage has been preserved hangar building the original bullet holes remaining as permanent scars from the vicious attack. The museum is extremely popular with tourists both the living. And the debt. Malo the head security guard shoot a large group of tourists thought the exit few employs also followed Lisa the tour guide. Kept a smile pinned to her face. And waved goodbye soon. She could go home and exchange or dress code skirt and pantyhose for comfy sweats. She stretched well Malo set the alarm and turned off the lights the museum instantly crude lonely, but dim security lights casting twisted shadows on the wall. The walkie talkie and her hip crackled to life as Milo radio to the rest of the staff at the building was finally closed. He winked at Lisa and stepped out the employee side door for a smoke break. Lisa walked down the aisle of planes toward her office. She loved the museum the history of the old fashioned aircraft. The wonder and children's is Lisa came to halt at the World War Two bomber exhibit. The mannequin pilot was no longer sitting in the p fifty one Mustang cockpit. Instead he was doing a head stand. His boots propped against the side of the plane to hold him up. This was not the first time the mannequin had moved. But everyone on staff denied that. They were moving it and the security cameras never seem to catch the perpetrator shiver skater Donner spine. Lisa tried or walkie-talkie. But it wouldn't park. She took a deep breath in then carefully. Lowered the mannequin to the floor. She'd have someone fix it in the morning. She looked around sometimes sound bounced so oddly in the hangar, she didn't know better. She'd swear someone was in the rafters. She stopped pointblank peering down the aisle in disbelief an old man in a war naval uniform sat in the darkness on a bench quietly staring up at a World War, Two Republic p forty seven thunderbolt. She hesitated for a second the intensity and the man's eyes. Was reminiscent childhoods, deepest horrors piercing an unwavering then she storm toward the Matt telling him they were no longer open. He had to leave. Now. The man kept his eyes on the plane in a sombre voice. He informed. Lisa that he used to be. It's pilot. She fumbled for her walkie talkie. But it still didn't work. The man kept talking a calm, but unsettling power to his voice. He spoke about the friends he'd lost in that first attack his survivor's guilt and the death wish that had driven him to become a fighter pilot. His voice was compelling almost hypnotic. Lisa found yourself walking the last few feet in joining him on the bench almost out of control the closer. She had gotten to him the more difficult. This man was to see she had a vague impression of gaunt wrinkled face. But it was almost as if the shadows continuously shifted to keep them in darkness. He continued to talk and Lisa found that her surroundings were shifting the museum started coming. To life planes, moving through the air walls fading into the background has her eyes were pulled back in time. Reliving the attack. Lisa duck as she saw soldiers. Wait mannequins with their pale featureless faces zigzagging trying to outrun the thunderous bullets being spat from a sheen guns on low flying Japanese bombers, but choking black smoke billowed up from the burning ships in the harbor. She cried as she witnessed the flailing mannequin splayed across the ground because the hospital overlaid with tents in the museum was overflowing with the wounded she felt the anguish of a spouse or mother as they found their missing loved one on the list of the dead. She saw the faces that went with the names on the plaques. She had pointed out a million times before she lived through the nighttime security lockdowns the rumors and paranoia of more attacks whispered throughout the island the. Fear of being trapped in this dark museum with buzzing propellers and the screams of dying mannequins. Lisa startled. Her walkie talkie was going off. Lisa looked over at the bench. The old man had disappeared. Lisa open the door from Oslo. He and the other security guards had found themselves mysteriously locked out of the building. She made security turn on all the lights, but the man had banished. She didn't believe it when Milo told her it was after ten pm it had felt like fifteen minutes, but she had spent more than three hours talking to the veteran on the bench. No one else had seen the them. Lisa continued to insist that he was real. But when they reviewed the security footage. She was alone in the Pence nodding and talking to someone only she could see. In addition to still being an active naval base, Pearl Harbor contains several memorials and museums celebrating the US military. The most famous of these is the USS Arizona memorial constructed in one thousand nine hundred sixty to the USS. Arizona memorial consists of us stunning white building built perpendicular over the vessel wreck in Pearl Harbor visitors. Take a ferry across the water to access the edifice. Morial is meant to resemble a bridge and is composed of three rooms the entryway vestibule for visitors to prepare for reflection. The assembly hall has seven floor to ceiling windows, referring to December seventh the date of the attack. There's also of viewing window cut in the floor where visitors can see down to the ship in total throughout the hall. There are twenty one windows any turn twenty one gun salute. From its very construction. The Arizona was considered unlucky because she was christened with water and not wine in nineteen forty one. The Zona had twice collided with other ships in the US fleet. In fact, the Zona was only still stationed in Pearl Harbor because she collided with the USS Oklahoma on October twenty second nineteen forty one. Enter schedule was altered to accommodate the collision repairs the day before the attack on December sixth the Zona prepared for a trip by taking on a full load of fuel approximately one point five million gallons of oil. During the Pearl Harbor tack a bomb penetrated the battleship's armor deck and hit them Unisys storage causing the ship to detonate. What was left of the burning ship sank in ten minutes with most of its sailors still on board one thousand one hundred and two servicemen died on the Zona the highest death toll out of any ship building or hanger attack that day, the shrine room in the memorial houses, a marble wall, which lists the names of those who perished on the ship. Many of the victims are still on board. The sunken wreck their final resting place after the attack. It was estimated that nearly half of the one point five million gallon fuel load was still aboard the back beneath them memorial. The record the Zona continues to leak oil over seventy. Five years later up to nine quarts day, a rusty giant with an open wound on the sole of America for ever bleeding. Over the years. Legends have surfaced about the memorial one. Well known story is that it's haunted by a sad. Regretful ghost allegedly in Arizona officer on lookout duty on the morning of the attack became distracted and briefly left his post while he was gone the Japanese attacked riddled with guilt. His ghost is forever tied to the ship. Tourists have snap. Some interesting pictures of the underwater wreck seeming to show a face peering through a hole in the ship and still a few have had bitter. Sweet yet comforting supernatural experiences at the memorial seeing the smiling faces of their lost loved ones form in the oil has it spills into the ocean. Surviving crew members of the USS Arizona can choose to have their remains placed on the battleship and be buried at sea. When they die spending turn ity with their crewmates. It's been over seventy five years since the devastating Japanese attack on the US military bases on a who. Who today the island is a popular tourist destination and operating military base yet the tumultuous events of December seventh nineteen forty one continue to reverberate in supernatural ways. Pearl Harbor continues to be defined by the dead as much as it is by the living. Thanks again for tuning into haunted places. We'll be back next Thursday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of haunted places as well. As all par casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you of asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at park cast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll see you next time. Haunted. Places was created by max Cutler, it's a production of Cutler media and is part of the park cast network. It's produced by max and Ron Cutler sound design by Kenny Hobbs with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Paul. Molitor, Maggie admire and Carly Madden. Haunted places written by Candice Rogers. I'm Greg Poulsen.

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Charles Chilton Moore Pt. 2: American Atheist

Not Guilty

38:18 min | 1 year ago

Charles Chilton Moore Pt. 2: American Atheist

"By eighteen ninety five fifty eight-year-old Charles Chilton Moor had been arrested three times comes in relation to his atheist newspaper Blue Grass Blade. The first arrest came in March of eighteen ninety two when Moore aired the scandals goals of pastor. John Sweeney's church in return. The pastor slapped him with a libel charge. It incensed more than a church could order someone to be arrested. He refused to even offer a defense in court as an act of protest he was ultimately found. Guilty and sentenced tends to two months in jail. However his imprisonment only brought more national attention to his cause and strengthened his resolve to continue publishing regardless of the consequences two years later that resolve was tested again when another minister had him arrested posted this time for blasphemy in this instance more wouldn't even pay the bond. He sat in jail for three months before for the charges. Were entirely thrown out. It turned out. Blasphemy wasn't even a crime in Kentucky emboldened. Moore published just an advertisement in eighteen ninety five that advocated for the use of contraception one of the most contentious topics of the time Moore was basically asking for a legal challenge and he got one this time on the federal level he was charged and convicted of of mailing obscene materials. The judge offered more a choice he could pay a huge fine enough to bankrupt him and his newspaper her or he could promise to never publish anything considered obscene again. Surprisingly more agreed to the ladder after this last court case the editor moved his publishing shop out of Kentucky to the border town of Cincinnati Ohio. Oh he hoped this move would help him avoid future prosecutions but the Ohio River would not protect him and neither would would the first amendment. How should we determine a person's guilt. Do we defer to the evidence discovered by police or the verdict reached by a jury and what happens is when the evidence and the verdict don't line up hi. I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is not guilty apar- cast original each week we look could complicated criminal cases that test the limits of innocent until proven guilty at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us today. We're continuing our discussion of Charles Else Chilton more and his Atheist Prohibition newspaper Blue Grass Blade last week we followed Moore's early arrests for libel blasphemy blasphemy and mailing obscene material charges that were entirely brought by church leaders. This week will examine the case that allowed more to do what he he really wanted. All along challenge the boundaries of the First Amendment when fifty seven seven year old Charles Chilton Moor stood in front of Judge John Bar in July eighteen ninety five he still cut an imposing figure his hair and beard were grade but his farmers build made him the largest man in the room however he seemed to shrink a little at sentencing he had to promise not to publish anything related to birth control methods again in exchange. The judge wouldn't make him pay. Hey the fine it was the first and only time he ever agreed to restrict the content of his writing in truth. It wasn't much of a choice. The one thousand dollar fine levied would bankrupt him if he refused and Blue Grass Blade would be silenced in totality so more abandoned the contraception 'cause turning his attention back to more traditional free thought values advocating for Prohibition Civil Rights Rights and suffrage and of course critiquing religion over the years Baptist prohibitionist James Rucker wrote letters to Charles Charles Moore offering counterpoint to the anti religion articles in Bluegrass blade more published ruckers letters and then responded to them in in the letters to the editor section of the paper. The two men had a contentious relationship but also a mutual respect for the other one's ability to reason more saw rucker as a man of integrity of value. He honored above all else that changed. Suddenly when sometime between his arrest in eighteen ninety five and mid eighteen ninety seven sixty eight year old rucker accepted a sizable Zabol donation about two hundred thousand dollars today for his college and Church. This gift came from a liquor distiller to more for a prohibitionist. Accepting money from alcohol. Sales was the height of hypocrisy. Any courtesy had previously shown his longtime sparring partner her was gone. He blasted rucker in the pages of Blue Grass. Blade Rucker was understandably embarrassed by the coverage however there was no legal action he could take nothing more said in the article was factually untrue so he couldn't sue for libel but more often publish things that pushed the limits of decency so rucker simply bided his time combing the pages of each new issue of the blade waiting for more to slip up in the summer of eighteen ninety seven more now nearly six st published an essay about the concept of Free Love Free Love was a topic widely debated in the free thought community more had historically shortly been against sex outside of marriage but in this article he began reasoning in its favour more ventured that if men and women were allowed to enjoy joy the intellectual qualities of each other prior to marriage. Perhaps they should be able to enjoy sex in the same way for more. This essay essay was simply asking the question of free love not advocating for it but this frank discussion of sexual relationships in the pages of a newspaper deeper was unheard of in the region. One of the scandalized readers was F r feel end a longtime supporter of the blade he wrote the letter to the editor chiding more for publishing the essay more responded to the letter in the next edition on October third word 1897 he doubled down writing that he would rather not print the blade at all then sensor his words on the the topic of sexual relations. He should print what everyone is thinking. James Rucker had finally gotten what he wanted. Not only he had more written about sex outside of marriage. He just admitted he intended to continue doing so once again he had gone too too far. Rucker took the articles to federal court. He swore out a warrant for Moore's arrest for mailing obscene materials for the second second time in two years Charles Chilton Moor was arrested on obscenity charges his printer James Hughes was also arrested said F R Phelan the same man who helped ignite this firestorm with his letter to the editor offered to represent both men pro bono. Oh James Hughes accepted the help more did not he was going to represent himself. The trial was held in Cincinnati Ohio in February eighteen ninety nine in his opening statement prosecutor and District Attorney William Bundy referred to sixty two year old Moore as the editor of a free love paper more jumps to his feet to object jacked. His paper had run only two pieces on free love in the fifteen years since its first issue. The characterization was inaccurate presiding judge Albert Thompson told him to sit down. He was not allowed to object to an opening statement. The trial had barely begun and and more had already annoyed the judge with this violation of courtroom decorum. It was an omen of what was to follow after his opening prosecutor. Bundy called his first witness. It was the same man who had sworn out the warrant against Moore Seventy one year old pastor James Rucker he restated the evidence against Moore identifying the two issues of blue grass blade that advocated for free love there was nothing to object to Bundy was simply presenting the truth therefore more had only only one goal as he rose to cross examine rucker. He was determined to dispel the characterization that the blade was a free love paper as has charged by the prosecution but rucker was evasive. He claimed he didn't know what the paper advocated even though anyone in Kentucky could have the answer that it was a pro atheism and prohibitionist paper the harder more pressed rucker the more the prosecution objected when it was clear more was not going to get the answers he was after Judge Thomson stopped the Cross examination. He dismissed Rucker from the stand. Stand more frustrated blurted out that if rucker would tell the truth he could prove his case. A defendant arguing with the judge judge was not something. Thomson would tolerate after a lecture from the bench about courtroom. Decorum Thompson told more he could question rucker again then when it was his turn to present his case when the prosecution rested a few hours later more did just that he stood stood and called James Rucker back to the stand as his first witness but rocker wasn't there up next Charles Moore attempts to argue his case without his soul witness. VH1's true crime docu series cartel crew returns Monday October seventh while the past generation of narcos might be dead. The cartel is is still alive this season. The crew is crossing into new territory. Don't miss the new season Monday October seventh at nine eight central on owned. VH1 now back to the story in February of eighteen ninety nine sixty two year old Charles Chilton Moor defended himself against federal obscenity charges these were the most serious charges he ever faced and the stakes were high a conviction conviction could mean a large fine jail time or both more opened his defense by attempting to call his accuser James Sukkur back to the stand but the man was gone prosecutor. William Bundy explained that Rucker lived seventy miles away say he had already left for the return journey half an hour before Moore was furious he had been told by Judge Thompson that he could question Chen Rucker again but the court let him leave. The city more demanded that a court officer chase after rucker but the judge denied at his request it was time to proceed with his case. Unfortunately James Rucker was Moore's only witness. He rested his case without calling any witnesses and Judge Thompson recessed court for lunch during the break. A man man named Dr John Wilson Approached the Prosecutor District Attorney William Bundy Dr Wilson was a member of the free thought community and had watched the trial all morning he was also a longtime subscriber to the Blade Wilson explained to Bundy that the newspaper was not a free love paper paper as Bundy told jurors the only two articles that seemed in favor of free love were the two rucker complained about out of fairness Wilson. Listen hoped Bundy would clarify this in court when Bundy began his summation lunch he did just this. He told the jury sorry he had just learned that blue grass blade was not in fact of free love paper. He said that he had not meant to mislead them but then Bundy held up the two copies of the paper for the jury he said even if the paper didn't usually advocate free love those particular issues certainly certainly did he proceeded to read to the jury the most salacious excerpts from those essays then Bundy read other articles in the paper. You purchased jurors ones that had nothing to do with the obscenity charge but railed against religion in one article more called holy the figure King Solomon a damned old son of a bitch bundy believed the combined weight of this collection of articles was enough to make the jury indict more on blasphemy charges however more had not been charged with blasphemy in fact there were no federal blasphemy laws to charge him with these additional articles were brought in Solita prejudice the Christian men on the jury against the defendant but the Judge Thompson didn't shied the district attorney for his tangential claims of blasphemy charges and more didn't know enough about the law to object when prosecutor William Bundy's sat down more finally had his chance to defend himself he he faced the jury to give his summation but in an instant his heart sank few of the men on the jury bothered to hide their disdain their minds were already made up and more knew he wasn't going to win the case on the facts. His only hope was to try to elicit some some sympathy. He tried to make the jury see him as a principled citizen. Maybe then they would find it difficult to send him away to prison he. He told them about his life. His farm his wife his responsibilities he looked them each in the eye trying to connect connect and then he watched as one of their heads bobbed their eyes closed asleep more looked over at the judge but Thompson was no help either his head was resting on his hand and his eyes were closed to when the judge woke up from his nap fifteen minutes later and realized more was still talking. He cleared his throat to interrupt. How much more time would he need more replied. He was just getting started but agreed to stop whenever Thompson told him he had to. Thompson allowed him to continue but asked him to stay on topic. Moore continued his closing this time focusing on the content of of his paper after fifteen minutes thompson cut him off again. He was out of time one trial observer. Dr John Wilson later wrote that he had never before seen a defendant treated so poorly the jury deliberated for just five five minutes they found Charles more guilty of obscenity as they led him to the holding cell in an adjacent room more or yelled. You are not shackling me. You are shackling American liberty the next day a calmer more return to court to hear his sentence he was allowed to make a statement before Judge Thompson ruled on his punishment but to do so he had to be sworn in typically this oath to tell the truth is made with one hand on the Bible but when the court officer took a step towards more holy book in hand the atheist refused to take an oath that required him to swear to God he didn't believe in he wanted to affirm instead giving an affirmation has the same effect as swearing an oath. It's a promise to tell the truth though this right to affirm was granted by the Constitution Russian Judge Thompson referred to Moore's request as trifling he begrudgingly ordered that more be affirmed and let him speak speak more told the judge that the obscenity charge against him was false but as he was found guilty he asked for mercy he wouldn't be able to pay a hefty fine because he refused to raise horses for betting or sell corn to liquor distillers. His farm arm made very little money he also asked that whatever the punishment it would fall on him rather than on his printer. James Hughes who would be tried later on the same charge. Judge Thompson told more that he knew he was breaking the law when he printed his paper more simply replied that he was proud out of everything he had done then the judge sentenced more to two years in the Ohio State Penitentiary the the sentence sent shockwaves through the room but no one was more alarmed then Charles Moore he was always willing to sit in lockup for a few months at a time time to draw attention to his fight for freedom of religion and the press but two years in state prison at the age of sixty two was another matter entirely highly more was taken from the courtroom to aside room where his family and supporters could visit him for a few minutes among them was Moore's twenty eighty five year old son Leland more saw the shock and anger and Leland's is a mirror of his own. He begged his son not not to attempt to retaliate against rucker as he feared he might. He told him to go back to the farm and help take care of the family. One supporter quarter who did not stay to talk to Moore was Dr James Wilson instead he immediately went to the Office of Da William Bundy to ask this cow he could file an appeal on Moore's behalf the prosecutor suggested Wilson find a lawyer to help him but warned they didn't have a chance more had been convicted because he was guilty of the crime. Dr Wilson immediately hurried off to meet with members of the Ohio Liberal Society of Free Thought Organization. They quickly pulled money in the hope that they could get more out on bond pending an appeal. Dr Wilson rushed back to court and our later money in hand but more was gone already on his journey to the prison in Columbus Dumbass over one hundred miles away but if Judge Thompson or da William Bundy thought a prison and sell would put a muzzle on Charles Moore Day. Were sorely mistaken without a farm to run more found. He had even more time to write because his printer James Hughes was led off with a light fine. He continued publishing blue grass blade during Moore's first months in prison awesome in addition to writing essays for the blade. He penned a memoir titled. Behind the bars three one four nine eight the digits indicated his prison identification number while more blackened pages imprison the Ohio Liberal Society worked just as hard to file for an appeal. They needed to find an error in the proceedings that they could use to mount out a retrial Bundy's false blasphemy. Accusations may have been an easy target. Unfortunately more didn't object to them. During the trial had he objected and the judge overruled him he could have appealed the judge's decision but he couldn't appeal his own decision not to object it. Finally they settled on the judge and Jer Falling Asleep during Moore's closing statement as the basis of their argument. It was the clearest I error they could find but before the appeal was filed another path out of prison appeared this effort was spearheaded by an unlikely ally Ordained Minister Robert Charles O'Hara Benjamin Benjamin in addition to being a minister worked as editor of Lexington Standard one of the most notable African American newspapers of its day though the exact reasons why are unknown own more felt. Benjamin's coverage of his trial was unfair and biased in typical Charles Moore fashion he responded from behind bars with bitter criticism in the pages of the Blade Benjamin read. Moore's response and issued a genuine public apology. He pointed out that when Moore was a young minister before the civil war he denounced slavery even though his church supported it Benjamin wrote that anyone who spoke against slavery before the war should be regarded as a friend. Moore wasn't just against slavery it was the first issue that sewed his doubts about the Bible and led him to atheism in his Church of Christ faith more was taught to take every word of the Bible as fact including I timothy which commanded those who are enslaved to respect their masters they they are to serve kind owners well on account of that kindness. It goes on to say quote. These are the things you are to teach and insist on if anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to Godly teaching they are conceded and and understand nothing through the Lens of the Church of Christ not only was slavery allowed according to the Bible but it was against the Bible to teach otherwise more couldn't see how a perfect book could support such a horrible practice slavery eventually discrepancies like like these made him turn away from his faith as a Minister Lexington Standard editor Robert Benjamin disagreed with Moore's Yvonne jellicoe atheism and rude manner but as a man seeking progress for his brothers and sisters he could respect that the first thing in the Bible all that more objected to was slavery. Benjamin circulated a petition to ask for a presidential pardon on the grounds that Moore was treated treated unfairly at his trial echoing the sentiments of the Ohio Liberal Society President William McKinley declined to pardon more for but he did commute his sentence to six months with one month off for good behavior on July seventh eighteen ninety nine sixty two year old Moore was released from prison and returned to Lexington. Five months in prison did nothing to dissuade. Wade him from publishing what he wanted. In fact it had the opposite effect more was more determined than ever to fight for his. First Amendment writes on November twenty sixth eighteen ninety nine just five months after his release. Moore published an essay written by well known atheist. 'EM greer kidder titled. The Virgin Mary the article mocked the idea of the Virgin Birth of Jesus and questioned shinned. If instead of the miraculous conception Jesus was actually the illegitimate lovechild of Mary and a Roman soldier while he was lambasted by some readers as blasphemous more knew that Kentucky didn't have any laws against blasphemy so he published without fear but just because Kentucky didn't have these laws didn't mean that more felt protected the law would find a way to come after him and he would get another shot at the system up next Charles Moore or tries to get back into federal court now back to the story sixty two year old Charles Chilton Moor had spent nearly a decade in and out of court by the end of the nineteenth century he lost more often than he won but he was determined to push the limits of the First Amendment Amendment his writing had been considered blasphemous libellous and obscene to more it was no worse than many stories printed in the pages the Bible in the very early days of nineteen hundred Moore wrote to the federal judge overseeing the Western Kentucky district he asked asked if he could mark it through the mail a book entitled Extracts From The Bible the King James Version asking permission to print and mail something. Something wasn't normal procedure so judge. Walter Evans likely would have been suspicious from the start and Charles Moore's reputation preceded had him familiar with the detailed accounts of rape and incest in the Old Testament Evans had a good idea which excerpts would be included in the publication and more intended to find out if Christians had more of a right to mail the Bible than an atheist had he planned to published and mail lewd excerpts from the Bible to orchestrate a federal court case however his plan changed when fate intervened gened or rather when James Zachary C. L. Braxton James Griffith and J O seahorn intervened in February of nineteen hundred the four men individually requested a specific back copy of Blue Grass Blade they wanted the November twenty sixth eighteen ninety nine issue with 'em greer kidder's essay lampooning the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ iced. It should have seemed odd to more to receive four separate requests at the same time for the same past issue of the blade. It's possible well. He found this suspicious but chose to send the copies anyway. When the men received their copies on February sixteenth they filed filed a complaint against Moore alleging they had been sent obscene materials in the mail. Then on February twenty-second a warrant for Moore's arrest was issued by Judge Walter Evans on four charges one for each paper mailed both Moore and his printer enter James Hughes were arrested more sixty two years old and tired of jail by this point immediately posted bond the prosecution plan to approach these charges from two angles the first would be based on the article about the Virgin Mary. The second skinned was a claim that Moore had violated the court order from his first obscenity conviction by mailing additional obscene materials. If he was found guilty he would be forced to pay the one thousand dollar fine from the previous conviction in addition to a fine from the new charges this that would surely bankrupt more and finally mark the end of blue grass blade once again his fellow free thinkers came to his defense led by Josephine Henry a well known reformer in Kentucky. The committee published a proclamation in the number a free thought an infidel papers across the country asking for donations for Moore's legal fund the free thinkers framed Charles Moore's trial trial as a fight. They were all invested in. Should he lose all free thought. Publications could come under fire soon. They'd successfully fully raised enough money to hire two experienced defense attorneys for more and Hughes on October Third Nineteen Nineteen Hundred Charles Chilton Moor entered the courthouse with his new lawyer's by his side District Attorney Hill was determined in to convict more of obscenity and have his suspended sentence reinstated as it happened at Moore's previous trials. The main witnesses against against him were the men who complained about his articles. Moore's attorneys however opened their case with a motion to dismiss. They supported the request by attacking the prosecution's claim that Moore was in violation of a previous quarter. They even submitted a deposition -sition from the retired judge who issued the order stating that. Moore had fulfilled his obligations. They also argued that the article in question wasn't since obscene it was blasphemous and more had a right under the First Amendment to publish and distribute blasphemous materials after hearing the defense's argument to dismiss Judge Evans paused to consider the matter more held his breath he knew from from his past cases that a Christian jury would always find him guilty. His only hope was to keep the decision out of the hands of those twelve men then Judge Evans dismissed all the charges against Moore and Hughes his written decision Evans wrote that what more published was offensive and unpopular however the freedom to express an idea cannot be determined by how politely it is conveyed or how well it is received. Judge Evans went on to say that the Supreme Court had determined it was not enough that the materials published obscene lewd or lascivious alone they must also invite obscene lewd or lascivious obvious behavior. Evans was referring to the case of Dunlop v United States which had been upheld in the Supreme Court just three years earlier earlier in that case Joseph Dunlop was convicted on obscenity charges when his paper the Chicago dispatch ran personal ads for brothels his conviction was upheld because Dunlop was not nearly publishing obscene materials he was inviting Lewd behavior by including addresses of the brothels in question but Charles Morris critiques on religion no matter how crude did not encourage any any action on the reader's part Judge Evans stressed that his ruling must be based on the constitution he wrote. If the Christian Religion John is divine it can withstand all attacks but whether divine or not the constitution of the United States gives to all the right eight to discuss it from whatever standpoint they please and with that ruling Charles Chilton Moor was was free after eight years of legal battles more finally received the outcome. He wanted his right to criticize religion. I am the Bible was upheld in court. He was never again arrested for what he printed more continued publishing blue grass blade influencing influencing and challenging free thinkers in Kentucky and beyond. He remained the editor of the paper until his death in nineteen zero. Oh six Charles Chilton Moore wasn't the last person to challenge blasphemy laws in the United States in nineteen fifty one the New York ORC board of regents refused to allow the short film the miracle to be shown in theaters. The Italian film directed by Roberto Rossellini depicted a young woman who believed herself to be the Virgin Mary. The movie was deemed anti-catholic and sacrilegious the distributor the film Joseph Burstyn sued the case made it to the Supreme Court in Nineteen fifty two and the court ruled that motion pictures are art art and therefore protected by the First Amendment in the court's decision they wrote we hold only that under the first and Fourteenth Fourteenth amendments a state may not ban a film on the basis of a sensors conclusion that it is sacrilegious though blasphemy laws remain on the books in half a dozen states. The last blasphemy conviction in the United States was appealed seventy years ears after Charles Moore's last trial. Irving West was convicted in Maryland for disorderly conduct resisting arrest and end blasphemy in nineteen sixty eight the blasphemy charge stemmed from words he shouted at the officer while resisting arrest in which he took God's God's name in vain while West took his consequences for the first two charges. He appealed the blasphemy conviction. The Maryland Court of Appeals overturned his conviction ruling the blasphemy law unconstitutional. They determined that on the topic of religion. The court must lost remain neutral. This ruling was the outcome Charles Chilton Moore sought in the court system seventy years earlier. He endured five arrests and four trials in eight years. He spent a year in jail all combined in his fight for separation of the Church and state. He paved the way for individuals to be judged based on their crimes rather than their beliefs. Thanks for listening to not guilty. We'll be back. Thursday with a new case is to explore you can find more episodes of not guilty and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already have all of your favorite favorite music but now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like not guilty for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream not guilty on spotify. Just open the APP and type not guilty in the search bar. Several of you have asked how to help help us. If you enjoy the show the best way to help us is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter twitter at podcast network not guilty was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network at work it is produced by Max Ron Cutler sound design by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of not guilty was ridden by Charlie Worrell. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Orpheus and Eurydice Pt. 2: Hades

Mythology

39:48 min | 1 year ago

Orpheus and Eurydice Pt. 2: Hades

"This episode features dramatization and discussions of violence homicide DEF that some people may find offensive. We advise caution for listeners under under thirteen something to note. All myths have many versions and variations for this episode. We've selected those we feel are the most dramatic and entertaining and supplemented them with additional research into ancient Greek traditions because mythology comes from oral tradition. There's a wide variety across sources are myths may not always be version. You're familiar with but we hope you'll enjoy them. eurydice easy lay amongst the Ashy Moss and dark lichens of the underworld her airy body like a lead weight even lifting her arms took so concentration and agonizing effort. It was far easier to simply close her heavy eyelids and dream. She didn't dream aim of life or the flowers of the Earth's. Abundant forest floors not anymore. Her sleeping mind was filled by the same dark dark shadows and misty fumes that drifted around her memories of a time before death eluded her just out of of reach. Even her own name was so distant she had forgotten it until out of the Black Knight. She heard the sound of a liar eurydice. See here it AC- Matt Song. Why do I know it. What is it calling forth from my shadowy soul the delicate Alex way the notes play together slipping like pearls on a string so familiar and now a sweet voice crying out lamenting Eurydice. You're GONNA see that is my name and that voice orpheus welcome to mythology a podcast original every Tuesday. We present dramatic stories. He's from ancient mythology and explore their origins. I'm your host and Narrator Vanessa Richardson. You can find more episodes of mythology and all other park cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream mythology for free on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type mythology in the search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help today were concluding the story of Orpheus and Eurydice Eighty and ancient Greek myth about doc two doomed lovers who cannot bear to part even in the face of death last week we saw the couple's blissful union devolve evolve into quick dramatic tragedy. We then followed orpheus down to the underworld where he was armed with only his lyre this week will hear about the conclusion of orpheus is quest and the dark dramatic end of this epic tale of love and loss us when Eurydice he died from a snake bite in the woods of th race her new husband husband orpheus was devastated a talented musician. He turned to song to express his grief. His music was so beautiful that man beast and God were all moved orpheus. Father Apollo the God of light was so saddened and by his sons heartbreak that he offered orpheus a gift. If orpheus dared descend to the underworld to win eurydice he back from from death Apollo would protect him orpheus would cross the river styx twice into and out of the land of the dead and he would live orpheus leapt at the chance feeling hope stir in his chest for the first time since losing losing his beloved he knew the underworld was full of perils. He knew that it's God heydays had a stony cold heart art but he was determined to take this chance to sing his plea and win back your idiocy. No matter what challenges Haiti's He's put in his path. He descended into the underworld at the sound of orpheus. Song Eurydice e Sprang Brang from her bed of black Maas the cloudy shadows still held sway over her mind but she knew that voice calling on all the power she could muster. She drifted toward the song she followed it past the great elm tree of the underworld old but she wasn't tempted by the false dreams that lay on the bottom of each rustling leaf she followed it through hordes of other shades silently weeping the agony in orpheus voice. She followed the music all the way to the throne of Hades and percents any his queen. They're at their feet knelt orpheus. He was pleading for her life. eurydice aridity reached out her shadowy hand towards her beloved the man who had wooed her with his golden voice who had taken her in his arms in spite of Hymens refusal to bless their union the man she had thought more vibrant than any plant or animal or babbling brook she longed to wrap him in a tight embrace to feel his heartbeat against hers but she knew she would not be able to touch him not here not like this as one of the dead she was nothing more than mist and darkness and so she stayed in the crowd and listened with the rest as orpheus spoke she saw per seventies face soften and then Haiti's as Orpheus sang and finally she heard Haiti's reply orpheus could have of her could bring your it. AC- back to the land of the living heydays would let her go she would be with orpheus once more and and she would run free amongst the glorious flowers and the throbbing light of Full Day far from this realm of Eternal Shadow. She stepped forward towards Orpheus as Haiti's spoke his final words. You'RE IT AC- could go back to the world of the living as as long as orpheus didn't turn around to look at her until they were out of the underworld your it AC- stopped short as as the rest of the shades cleared a path for orpheus she stared up to Haiti's who returned her gaze with a stern steely countenance attendance that was impossible to read. She began a silent prayer have the strength he asks view Orpheus. You who are a singer not a fighter have the strength to resist temptation have the strength to bring bring me back to life you who thrive on pleasure and love not restriction have the strength to allow me once wants more to be your wild companion upon the green surface of the earth your it. AC- followed orpheus through who the crowds of shades she was silent drifting light as air in his wake but she matched his quick pace past West cerberus the three headed hound whose teeth receded beneath his hanging jowls as they drew near into Karen's boat across across the river sticks which lapd at her trailing fingertips with longing your ours it seemed to whisper but it didn't let her pass buoy by hope she followed orpheus up the craggy slopes amongst the formless rocks towards towards the gates of -Tainer US her hope ballooned as they climbed higher and higher. They were almost there orpheus. This is back looked straight and strong bent toward the surface of the earth like an Arrow there she saw it the light seeping seeping through the gates almost imperceptible to the eye but to your idiocy accustomed to deaths darkness it was a harsh glare air even from here down the path and shielded by Haiti's fumes and mists she could feel the unfamiliar heat as the rays of light hit her. Her shadowy form started to become more solid. Her limbs felt strong she could. I almost feel a human heartbeat in her chest but orpheus was slowing. Why is he slowing and now he stopped. Why has he stopped. His body is shifting. God's know or face. Don't turn to face me. orpheus framed by the looming gates of -tainer. US slowly shifted I his torso then his shoulders and then with a final devastating snap his golden head it was Eurydice sees sees orpheus beautiful orpheus with his golden glowing smile Eurydice by beloved bride. You'll hear your perfect face though shadowed with death so close to me Orpheus I've been in here. I have followed you out of Haiti's as the God of death promised my beloved. Why do you speak so sadly. How could you forget Haiti's terms foolish orpheus because you've always been blessed by your father by every man who here's your voice voice. That's why you take the gods challenges lately but Haiti's gave you one chance to reverse the tides of fate. He won't give view another. Oh we were so close so close to my life to our love once more but but you can sign me to death with your careless doubt you've killed me twice over no no. I faced the Valley of darkness view. I would die for you a thousand times over hell arrogant you. You have been my love. Perhaps he would die for me but you flouted the conditions of Haiti's and now you live will i. I must sink think back into the shadows. What if I'd done I will try again. I will save you. I'll amend Mike Faleigh. It's too late orpheus for both of us. My Hell will be no worse than yours your living hell amongst the golden light light and flowers. I'll be surrounded by the darkness of death but you'll carry the darkness of grief and regret for the rest of your life say goodbye my love goodbye. ARTHIUS YOU'RE IT AC- receded into the editing mists of Hades as the heavy shroud of death descended once again and orpheus lead out a great sob as the full weight of his mistake hit him you coming up orpheus faces the consequences of his folly dragons sea serpents giants demons. These are the monsters that must be slain gene by any great hero in myths but these monsters aren't merely adversaries. There are a reflection of the darkest fears man once had every every Monday my show mythical monsters tells the stories of these beasts and asks what they represent to mankind was the crack in just a giant sea monster. Mr Or was it. The physical manifestation of our fear of the deep was the Nemean lion just one more monster for Hercules to slay or or was it a symbol of man's dominance over nature come along on a journey to uncover the beasts of the past follow mythical monsters for free on spotify modify and anywhere you listen to podcasts or visit par cast dot com slash mythical monsters to listen now now back to the story. Haiti's moved by Orpheus music gave him an opportunity to win back his beloved Eurydice from the underworld all that orpheus had to do was make the journey back to the living earth without turning backwards for a glimpse of your idiocy eurydice heeds promised would be right behind orpheus and once the couple reached the living earth. She would be a living bride once more. Haiti's kept his word but orpheus could not resist turning back to make sure your it AC- was there behind find him impatience fear and weakness ruined the one chance orpheus and Eurydice he had at recovering their love orpheus shattered and bewildered at this unthinkable conclusion to his mission stood sobbing at the top of the a steep slope into Haiti's and then he realized the only choice that remained he would descend again he would follow your idiocy into the shadows this time there will be no hope of ever returning to the Earth's surface. Eurydice Z. was right. Haiti's would not give him a second chance but if he could not bring your it AC- back to life at least he could join her in death. He turned back towards the shadows no fear in his dissent this time he stumbled stumbled and slid down the slope reckless in his despair. He didn't care what happened to his body. All he wanted now was was death. Finally he reached the shore of the river sticks. The tall dirty figure of Keiron on stood waiting in his wooden boat orpheus fell on his knees in the shallows clinging to the edges of the barge. The inky linke icy waters painted him with their lapping waves. Oh ferrymen of Haiti's please let Edney ride upon your boat into the darkest shutters of the underworld. There are no second chances in Hades orpheus. We gave you special allowances because your song moved us but you broke your word please. I beg if you this time I will stay on the the other side never again. Will I venture back to all the land of the living ferry me like any man who comes here to lay his soul to rest amongst the shadows. You are not dead yet. Go back to the land of the living die there and then you'll be as welcome. There's any dead man with the coin beneath his tongue to pay for passage until then you show not set foot upon my boat. Karen pushed orpheus hands off the sides of his boat with his long paddle and drifted away into the dark mists. STS covering the surface of the water orpheus was devastated. He shivered cold and heartbroken. Life held nothing for him. Now he couldn't bear to leave the underworld and face the light of day but he could not pass deeper deeper into hades. If keiron would not ferry him and so- orpheus stayed there on the banks of the river sticks every time care on return to the shore. He began his please anew so it went for seven months orpheus. I started to look like a shade himself shadowy and insubstantial he subsisted on Soro shame grief and end the salt of his own tears but Keiron simply shook his head however much orpheus looked like death he was not dead at last orpheus had had enough his grief had brought him no closer to his beloved ed after seven months of weeping he turned his bony back on the river sticks and began the ascent to the world of the living thing he pushed back through the gates of -tainer us back to life. The light of day seared orpheus. This is Pale skin but he cared not he fell to the living earth like an old man a fever overtook him. His mind was hazy. He couldn't concentrate the day was bright around him but he carried an overwhelming darkness within as your it. AC- had known he would his grief and guilt were shadowy and endless as hades itself several days as of this Hayes passed until finally in a stupor he stumbled to a nearby stream and drank the living water flowing there he plucked berries from the nearby. Bushes and eight and then he fell into a deep sleep when he woke the fever had had broken he was squarely back in the land of the Living Orpheus blinked sadly at the beautiful day around him then he did the only thing he could think to do musician that he was he sang. I lost my wife life my new bride when my heart was full of strength and love. I searched for her through the forest and pasta the jaws of tenuous. I walked amongst the shades for her and sang for the three headed hound. I sighing Fajitas too for her and made my plea. I showed strength but then when strength was needed most I was weak. I turned my head and abandoned Eurydice. Let's see to death. She said will be a living hell for my mistake and she spoke spoke truth in death just as she did in life orpheus traveled across all of th- race race lamenting he sang of your it. Assi so beautiful so wild and young and he sang of his own hope and his failure and weakness that ended it all men and women came to listen to Orpheus is song at every town he passed last. They were awed by his power to move them to tears with his tale of love and loss. Some women in return for Orpheus is is art tried to give the singer love they wooed him with their sultry eyes and they're flowing hair as your it is he had once done but orpheus turned them away young men sometimes did the same slipping their lied arms around his waist and whispering in his ear these he occasionally accepted they reminded him less of perfect. Urizzi and they helped to push his pain away away but his grief always returned with a vengeance a pattern emerged and orpheus grew through almost to like it the whisper of reprieve in the loving arms of a handsome boy then the crashing return of his grief and and shame but the years wore on and he grew to hate the pity and pain his song awoke in the breasts of all who listened he didn't deserve the whole or comfort they offered in return for music. He'd killed eurydice easy. It was time I'm to spurn the company of men as well as women time to flee all human society orpheus slunk slunk deep into the woods his lyre still playing haunting melodies that made all of nature weep but without the goodwill good will of human hands. There was no respite from his grief. He ate little P. Drank less he wandered heard through the mountains with nothing but his liar and the clothes on his back his beard grew long across his youthful face his golden hair grew shaggy and dull his is lost their luster and seemed always to gaze glassy at something unseen unseen orpheus was broken and alone in a waking dream. That was always about Eurydice. He wondered like like an old man. Despite the fact that he was still in his prime then midwinter hit and the mean ads entered the woods. It's a group of Thracian women inspired by the ritual mania of the god of wine entered the mountains of race for their rituals every other year at midwinter they they came with their hair down thrashing in the icy wind they threw away their sandals and pulled off their fawn skins as they rammed through the twisting forest paths and then they began their dance high pitched music pulse does says they tossed their naked bodies back and forth amongst flickering torches warling and shouting shaking their heads and jumping then they spread out through the woods they're ecstatic cries piercing through the darkness as they ran tumbled twirled and shook shook orpheus heard them coming meaning. Lena must be out this midwinter night. Gods keep me safe from they mischief but who's that figure there lurking need in and it is. I- orpheus the singer of threes. I bid you dance on enjoy your nights of freedom so wild and unabashed bashed. I stay not to watch nor interfere but simply because these words are my home. Now is how delightful flamy songs so I might dance through the woods with the Mad God of pleasure at my side as as you come on to me and I love to sing and tonight is your colts nine. I'm colling. I'm willing to the mountains. Come off Theus dance with me I would that I could you make me think of my eurydice in another form so free and wildly live but I cannot join dancer pleasure. I have sworn the company the of women in the joys of the flesh in the absence of my beloved. I am a killer I suffer for it. We celebrate. Oh Break Diane nicest tonight you foolish boy. Any of US could be killers tonight. Set Your morning aside and throw your body into the wind with US enter our celebration and ecstasy you lost one love wild lose. The opportunity for another orpheus was beguiled by the wild freedom of this dancing made her rhythmic make dance and the careening tilt of her neck enticed him. He felt younger than he had in a long time more present. Perhaps perhaps a dance with the mean ad and her sisters would not be a betrayal of your idiocy and of his grief one night of dance and nothing more to forget the pain and celebrate dyonisis and so- orpheus joined the dance of the mean ad he leaped and twisted twisted and let the dark heavy grief which haunted him without in lashes of arms and legs he played his lyre whereas he danced and loosed his voice like the mine ads in cries that pierce through the mountain slopes and echoed softly and towns hounds faraway sleeping children heard his savage mournful tune lovers tossed beside one another unsure unsure what it was. They heard but they were moved. Even in their dreams brides and grooms held one another close orpheus amongst the mine ads danced on but the mean ads didn't just WanNa dance with orpheus they wanted him to join win their freedom fully they wanted him to give them his body coming up up orpheus resists the men ads lustful demands now back to the story orpheus emerged urged from the underworld shattered and heartbroken knowing he had lost his only chance at recovering his beloved. Eurydice easy at first he sang of his heartbreak amongst the thracians and sought comfort in the arms of men but this was shallow comfort and eventually he relinquished the company of humanity and sang his lament to the mountains and the forests of three alone until the mean ads ads arrived and convinced him to dance by their sides orpheus you dance with us and you feel feel the ecstasy of our dance as is right but our wildness at the rights of Dyonisis does not end with dancing. Come lay with us you mean add so wild and beautiful but I repeat. I have given up the company of women for however beautiful. You are however much you call her to my mind you a not your to see and no other woman can take the place. If you ready in my heart nor in my bed forgive me for impinging on the freedom of your rights. I should go silly orpheus. You should have chosen our love now. You'll get a wrath. Let the chase begin. My maidens made made diagnosis grant our legs speed and our hands strengh orpheus while you can be go in peace it. It's too late for that whole look at you. You're slowing. We catch you you orpheus careened through the would his shattered body no match for the graceful strength strength of these hardy women perhaps he should have simply stopped and let the end come and end that he thought he wanted ever since since he lost eurydice but he found strangely that in the face of death he craved life his mind turned in desperate circles one night with mean ads. Would it be so bad you ritzy gone so long now but as the main ads cried as they descended on him it was too late for that now they wanted blood orpheus cried out in agony as their hands clawed at him tearing him limb from limb in savage bloody glee but his cries went unanswered the women were fuelled and inspired by Diane Isis the god of wine and of ritual will madness and ecstasy orpheus had used up the graces of the gods the pain intensified but as it did orpheus felt his mind clear he sank away from the horror of this death piece flooded his spirit for the first time since that day he found your it. AC- lying on the forest floor his trial finally was over. He closed his eyes and pictured your idiocy forgetting his loss and his weakness remembering. Only we love it was time to cross the river styx one last time it was time to join your at Assi on the other side. The mine ads ripped orpheus his body to shreds then scattered the pieces through the forests and the fields of race but even in death orpheus his sweet voice sang of your Ritzy as his head rolled down on the rocky mountain slopes and crashed into an ice cold winter stream his frozen tongue gasped. You'RE IT AC- poor you're ready with its final ebbing breaths all along the Stream and through the mighty forests and mountains as of threes. The riverbanks echoed with his cry. It's still echoes today. orpheus challenge was simple on the surface look forward. Don't turn back but it proved to be more difficult than it seemed. Distrust distrust and doubt plagued his assent. The theme is clear dwelling on the past prevents us from walking into the future. This message is so powerful that it appeared in multiple mythologies in ancient times. One example is in the Bible's Old Testament. Lot's wife flouting the instructions of God peered over her shoulder to watch the wicked city of Sodom. Earn Sodom was her home however however evil it was perhaps she could not quite bring herself to give up on the past as punishment for failing to follow an order from God she was turned into a pillar of salt but the myth of orpheus and Eurydice e contains an extra ingredient that helps it to stand out against similar tales in addition to being a parable. It's also a classic love story that can be easily adapted to reflect changing social social norms and views on romantic relationships for example all bids version of the story leaves eurydice perspective largely unexplored. He writes only the following dying a second time now. There was no complaint to her husband. What then could she complain of love except that she had been loved. Some twentieth century versions of the tale have taken license with that open ended question in her poem Eurydice e modernist poet Hilda doolittle pen name. HD SUGGESTS THAT YOU'RE IT AC- sees orpheus as arrogant and ruthless and ends the tale with your it AC- claiming powerful ownership over herself and her place in heydays however dark and ugly Elliot might be compared to her previous life with Orpheus in the living world author Margaret Atwood posits in her poem Orpheus Eurydice he he had no interest in returning to the land of the living at all and followed orpheus back toward earth simply because she was forced to buy the pact he'd made with Haiti's and in her Tony Award winning musical Haiti's Town Playwright Nas Mitchell depicts a eurydice who willingly chooses uses to go to the underworld in pursuit of a better life the emotions behind any tragic story of love of and loss or as complex as they are universally understood and because the tale of orpheus and eurydice leaves us room to imagine different front reactions and different perspectives the story remains as fresh and relevant today as it did in Ancient Times the myth may a b thousands of years old and orpheus and Eurydice e Dead Death Thousand Times over but their story lives on thanks again for tuning into mythology. 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S9: Story Time: Gargoyle

"Are they demonic possessed or merely architectural design in mythology they were believed to frighten away evil spirits, but the idea of goals physically coming to life is a more recent notion. If you enjoy this episode and WanNa hear more like it. Check out our mythical monsters podcast every Monday we dive into history's most legendary monsters follow mythical monsters, free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Please note all myths and legends have variations and the story you're about to hear is not intended to be read as a definitive interpretation, we've combined several accounts of the Gargoyles to bring it to the center of this dramatic retelling, and to truly emphasize the character and ferocity of the monster. The morning sun signaled the end for those that were condemned. The jailer lined up the prisoners, checking that their chains were secure before the bishop arrived, it had rained the night before the stone gargoyles protruding from the nearby church, dripped black water from its gaping mouth, a grotesque sight. But for these prisoners, it was also a symbol of hope of potential salvation. The bishop arrived and went inside the church to pray while the executioner insured that the chopping block was secure. The prisoners side the dark bloodstains left by the countless men who had lost their heads over that wooden stump. The bishop emerged from the Church Bible in hand. He moved along the men he offered each of them their last rites, and the chance to confess their sins before their time on this earth had ended. The bishops stopped at the last prisoner. He stood taller than the others, and his eyes sparkled with a strange fire. He had not yet been broken by the stagnant purgatory of imprisonment. That one the bishops said drawing a finger over the man's forehead. Without a word the guards moved and released the man they gave him fresh clothes, sturdy boots, a bag of supplies and coin and sent him on his way. The released prisoner thanked the bishop for his kindness and swore that he would earn his salvation. As the exonerate made his way out of the village. He stopped once more to consider. The gargoyles mounted over the church. It was because of that Garg oil, and it's kind that he had been offered his freedom. He would never forget it. Welcome to mythical monsters, apar-. CAST original. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Every week. We dive into history's most legendary monsters in telling their stories, we hope to shed light on some truths hidden behind the creation of these beasts, where they come from what they symbolize, and how they expose humanity's greatest fears, you can find episodes of mythical monsters, and all other park has two originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream mythical monsters. Monsters for free on spotify just open the APP and type mythical monsters in the search bar at par cast were grateful for you, our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network, and if you enjoy today's episode, the best way to help is to leave a five star. Review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. This episode is about the Gargoyles today. Most no Gargoyles as the stone sculpted spouts that adorned cathedrals churches largely associated with Gothic Architecture gargoyles divert rainwater away from the roof of a building in order to prevent water damage. While these creatures can be found in Catholic imagery and tab lows, from the early Middle Ages research shows that there is really one key definitive or of the monsters legend, the story of Saint Romanos. They stand above perched on their stone precipices, always watching never blinking wings, stretched jaws, gaping, hideous and beautiful and eternal. They are the gargoyles. A perfect combination of form and function the oil is more than art there. Gaping mouths are used to divert water away from the building's roof in order to prevent damage the structure, a statue that does not serve this purpose is technically called a grotesque meaning that the bat winged statues shown coming to life in animated films and TV shows are not truly gargoyles at all. The practice of adorning the spouts of buildings with animal likenesses dates back to ancient Egypt. But the dragon like creatures that are commonly used as gargoyles today originated in medieval Europe long before these mythical creatures became a fixture of Gothic architecture, they appeared in the Stone Tableau of Catholic churches often, they were depicted as Satan's demons preying on the sinful. But somewhere along the way they went from being symbols of evil to our ever watchful protectors. To explore the origins of the Garg Oil, we must look into the annals of a Catholic legend one that tells of a priest who traveled to a region of northern France in order to do battle with a monstrous evil. Guillaume could already feel the sweat drenching his cotton shirt as he half dragged the oversized bucket toward the riverbank. The town well had run dry weeks ago and there had hardly been a drop of rain. Desperate the citizens of Ruwan had turned to boiling river water to drink. And today it was yom turn to fetch the water. He loved the bucket to the Riverside and set about removing his boots and rolling up the legs of his pants. This was no way to live of that he was certain. The town was cursed and all who lived. There would surely be better off by leaving it. But the town council had voted on this exact issue. Many many times, and the verdict had always been the same. They would live or more accurately dot. With this land that they called their home. Damn Guillaume cursed as a mosquito burrowed its way into his neck, the drought, the heat and the flies made him almost wish for death. Surely Hell couldn't be worse than Ruwan. Guillaume was so caught up in his own era tation that he didn't see the movement below the surface of the water. What at first seemed like a school of Shimmering fish was something more something bigger. The creature snout broke the surface of the river, blowing hot breath across the shimmering water. Guillaume glimpsed it only briefly its slender snake like body, leathery wings and grey scales before it struck. Guillaume didn't even have time to scream before the creature buried its razor, sharp fangs into his neck and dragged him below the water surface. What his wife realized Johm was missing. She went to the river in search of him. All she found was blood-stained mud on the soaked riverbank. The gargle we had claimed yet another victim. For months the region of Roin had been victimized by this sea snake, which sprung from the river to pull hapless villagers to their deaths. The town elders had been slow in mobilizing a response to the creature, but with Kiam's death. They found the pressure mounting. At this point in the story, the GARGOYLES bears characteristics more commonly associated with a better known mythological creature, the dragon during the dark ages, the common perception of dragon wasn't the massive winged behemoth that we know today. Rather a seventh century, European dragon was more akin to a very large four loomed winged snake, which developed from the Greco Roman. Conception of the creature, most dragons conformed to this standard idea and few individual dragons were noteworthy enough to warrant their own names, but the Gargle we demanded special consideration, especially due to its relationship with water. That night, the villagers gathered before the church in the town centre action was a necessity. These men and women would not stand idly by and wait to be picked off one by one by this scaly beast. One man barked. No rain comes, and now we cannot draw water from the river. Another replied, we will die of thirst. Better to die that way than end up in the monster's belly yelled another. We must be calm. The local bishop caution to the ire of all, but the people could not become another spoke. Send Word to Paris, have king. Clovis send men with swords and nets, so they can cut the creature down with what money the bishop retorted. Armies are not cheap, and besides what goodwill armed men be against a great water serpent we have to. To do something. Someone shouted on this. The town agreed the villagers could not rely on anyone else coming to rescue them, so they decided that they would take the fight to the creature themselves. It was decreed that every able bodied man would gather whatever tool or weapon he could find at dawn day would march to the river and kill the Gar gooey. The next morning. All of the men armed themselves and ventured to the riverbank, ready to take the creature down with pitchfork and hatchets. The morning water was cool, and still the men waited for hours finally, one of them waited out into the river until the water was at his waist. The other men followed suit until they were all half submerged ready to fight the creature on its own turf. The fools. As soon as the first man was pulled below the surface and devoured, the others dropped their weapons and fled. who were they to think? They could take on this creature, farmers and merchants, all of them, no warriors. As the men fled for their lives, the Gargle, we rose out from below the water surface, opened its mighty jaws and unleashed a torrent of blistering flames. The men fell one by one as each of them was burned alive. Satisfied that its enemies were slain the gargle. We retreated back into the water. The women, children and elders of the town rushed out toward the riverbank to wear their sons husbands and fathers had fallen one woman fell to her knees beside her husband's charred corpse curse you foul beast, may you be struck down by God himself back to the pits of Hell from whence you came? As if in response to the curse, the dragon rose once more from below the surface of the river, it opened its mouth as if to blow fire on the remaining villagers, the people screamed and covered their heads, waiting for the burning embrace of death. But the dragon did not breathe fire this time instead it gushed a massive stream of water from its gullet, uttering a terrible gurgling sound as it did, the creature sprayed out so much water that had flooded the riverbank, washing the morning villagers away with their dead and covering the entire town in a violent tidal wave. When the water subsided, the creature was gone, as was the town everything, the few survivors and their homes, their valuables. Their livestock had been washed away in the flood. All they could do was pray. Next the survivors of the GARGUZZOS attack receive help from above now back to the story. The people of Rwanda long plagued by the dragon that dwelt beneath the waters of the river seine had attempted to fight back against the monstrosity for their efforts they were completely utterly devastated. The men of the town were burned alive by the creatures fiery breath, the entire town was wiped out when the creature bellowed a tidal wave of water over the surrounding land. The few survivors were left with nothing, but the soaked tattered clothes on their backs. When travelers passed by and asked what had caused this desolation, the survivors replied. It has no name but Garg Louis for that is the noise it made when it sprayed a devastating wave from its gullet. After losing their village to Gargle we, the people of ru on were hopeless homeless more than a few of the survivors felt that God had abandoned them. Until one day a priest came before them. His name was Romanos. Was the real life bishop of the region of ruin during the early to mid seventeenth century, though very little is known for sure about his life. His legend is much more interesting. As the story goes, Romana had received word of the People's plight. He knew that as a man of God. It would fall to him to lead his fellow believers through these dark times, times were hard and living was tough. The last thing Ramona's needed was these people thinking that God had abandoned them. Romanos was not a young man anymore, but he was spry and clever, and most importantly he knew that God was on his side when he heard of the garguzzos devastation, he packed a bag and set out not for the afflicted village, but for a nearby hamlet one whose help he knew he would need. Romanos bellowed his announcement as the people gathered around him in the town's circle. People of Ruwan I have come with grave tidings from your countrymen. A dragon infest the Seine. River and it has claimed the lives of many men in the neighbouring village. One man marked back. They knew of the threat months ago and yet they chose to stay where they were. Their pride in their precious land has led to their ruin. Romano's shook his head in disappointment. Come now is a man not entitled to the fruits of his Labor. How would you feel if tomorrow your homes? Your family's everything you owned and held dear was snatched away from you. I do not know how this dragon will be done away with, but I know that we have a duty to our fellow Christians to open our homes and our hearts to those who are in need. The people were not convinced. They feared that opening their homes to the survivors now would just lead the dragon to their doorstep, but Ramona's assured them otherwise he had consulted the Churches Best Jerry and determined that the creature was different from a normal dragon. It made its home in the water in the river Seine, and it seemed unlikely that the creature would stray far from that location. With his promise that the dragon would not leave the river Seine Ramona's had convinced the villagers with their blessing he set off for the remains of the village destroyed by the Gargle we. He walked for many miles wondering when he would come across the remains of the village, he had seen war, and he had seen wastelands, but he had seen nothing like the wet charred remnants of what was once fertile soil that now stretched before him. It was only after he heard the sounds of someone weeping nearby that he realized he had reached the village, or what was left of it. Come Out I will not hurt you. Ramona's called slowly. The haggard survivors emerged from the holes in the ground where they had been hiding. Romances. Spirits fell at the site. There were barely a dozen women and children, all clearly starving, sick and hopeless. They I'd him warily and did not speak. Romanos broke the silence. I bring word from the neighbouring village. You are all to come with me. They have shelter, food and warm beds water with which to clean yourselves. We have had enough of water. One sickly boy said. The gargle we will see us all drowned before the week is out. Romanos tried to offer comfort. Have faith young lad for together. We will recover through God's wisdom. One of the survivors cut him off. God where was God. When the Gargle we ate husbands, or when it torched our sons, or when it conjured black water from the pits of Hell itself. Romanos had no answers all he could offer was bread and hollow words of comfort before he finally started back in the direction, he came. The people said nothing as they meekly fell in line. They had no fight left in them and nothing to stay for. When they arrived at the neighbouring village, the survivors were taken in by their fellow countrymen. They were granted fresh clothes. Warm Food Shoulders to cry on. As the rest of the village retired to their beds Romanos find himself unable to sleep. who was he against such a creature? How could he possibly hope to destroy such a monstrous beast? As, he normally did romance found solace before the altar, he entered the village church, dark and empty, given the late hour and kneeled before the crucifix. He waited there for many in solemn meditation. Hoping that God would see fit to guide him. The morning came too soon. Romanos emerged from the church is red weary from a lack of sleep. He wondered if he had the strength to do what he was about to propose. romanesque trembled as he spoke for even he was not immune to fear. We must be brave. We must take our fate into our own hands. The survivors continued to balk one said. What of God aren't you type supposed to tell us that God will fix all our problems if we only believe. Romanesque shot back if you chose to stay inside a burning building and perished from the flames. Would you say it was God's will? For your demise? God gave us minds he gave us will. He gave us the grit to achieve the things in life. That must be done. What do you propose one villager asked? Romance responded. It's quite simple. Really we kill the Gargle we. Roam honest, continued, speaking his courage rising. I have a plan one that would see. The creature lured away from its aquatic lehrer out into the open where we could more easily kill it. and. How many of us do you expect to risk our lives to see this plan through the villagers asked. Romana stood confidently. Just one I need only one companion for this to work. Is there any among you who are brave enough to stand with me? The villagers stayed where they stood none of them moving. Romana spoke defeated. Then someone take me to the cells. I would have words with the sheriff of this town. The villagers obliged leading. To the large hut where the sheriff resided. Inside Ramona's. Of cells each one filled with a criminal who was awaiting execution Romanos, considered the men, and finally approached the one who seemed to be the most able bodied. Romanos pointed a finger at the man. You, what is your name? And what is your crime? I'm called Philip Sir the prisoner responded I robbed a man on the road. You will do. Romana turned to the others. Release this man. He is my companion. Now for none of you were brave enough to join me. And, so the villagers released Philippe to Romance Romances Charge. Romana saw that Philippe was bathed clothed and armed with a dagger. The next morning they set off to kill the Gargle. We. Next room honest faces the Gargle. We now back to the story. The name Gargoyles, comes from the French word Gargle we. This word seems to stem from La Gorge the French word for throat. The name shares in Etymology with Gargle or to wash one's throat Gargle we is a form of Onomatopoeia or a word that sounds like the thing it describes. In the story of romance and the people of Iran, the sound of gargling water signified that the Gargle. We was close, and that death was. Ramana had come to the region of ruin the people there had been savaged and terrorized by the sea snake known as the Gargle we, he had led the survivors to safety, but when he asked the people of Rwanda to join him on his quest to kill the beast. Not One person stepped forward to volunteer. Romanos was forced to conscripts. Philippe a condemned man from the village prison, and so the to set off toward the Seine River. As they walked Ramona's urged Philippe to be brave, and to follow his commands. They would only have one shot at taking the creature down. If they hesitated even for a second, they would likely meet doom. It was not long before they came upon the Bank of the River Seine close to the village that the Gargle we had destroyed Philippe on Romanticize command waded out into the water until he was waist deep in the frigid river. The man shivered rubbing his arms. I hope the beast shows up soon before I freeze to death. He shouted only half joking. Ramona's didn't respond at the water's edge. He waited is on the unbroken surface waiting for sounds of movement. And our past with response, waiting at the river's edge and Philippe standing in the waist deep water until. Philippe suddenly cried out in surprise. Something just brushed past my leg. Romance left his feet fishing into his bag for the small crucifix he had brought with him. It was time for battle. The gargle we emerged from the depths of the water. Romano's froze just for a moment. As he beheld the creature for the first time, it's black scaly skin. It's long twisting snake like neck. It's black, devilish is, and it's maw lined with razor, sharp teeth, hot with steamy breath, and about to snap at Philippe. Romanos regained his senses and Sprung to action. The creature hissed in agony, reeling back, as Romanos held out the cross, Ramona's pressed his advantage, as the creature arrived, he bellowed at it by the power of God Almighty. I cast you from these waters. The creature hissed in pain. And slithered out of the water running along the Riverbank Romanos chased it with the fervor of a younger man he knew at last that the Lord was on his side. He would emerge victorious over this creature. Philippe followed Ramona's after the monster. They reached the entrance to a dark cave. Just in time to see the GARGLE. We scurry inside. The two men stopped for a second to catch their breath. Fee Leap glared at Ramona's as he wrung out the water from his soaked shirt tails. He was shaking with fury. He knew he was supposed to be the bait that was part of the plan, but now that he'd actually seen the creature. He couldn't believe he'd listened to Ramona's. This priest was going to get him killed for sure. You escaped with your life. Let that be enough romance replied. The two men stood at the threshold of the cave, waiting for the creature to emerge. We are here. We are waiting Romanos yield into the abyss. He knew they couldn't defeat the creature in darkness. Romanos turn to Philippe. His voice urgent your dagger quick. Draw blood. Philippe hesitated for a moment, but the priest had led him safely this far. The former prisoner drew his knife and slid its blade across his arm blood dripped on the ground, the scent of it Wa- fghting into the cave until. The creature emerged from the shadows, snapping at Philippe Hungry for his blood romance, once again raised his crucifix, and cried out in a firm voice. Halt I command you. The creature writhed in pain as it fell at Ramona's feet so long as he held the Cross, it could not disobey him. Romance had been granted power by God himself, and through His grace he had tamed the beast. Romano's got Philippe's attention and nodded toward a thicket of vines nearby. Grab those vines wrap it around the creature's snout so that it can't open its mouth. Philippe did so meanwhile romance lifted Phillipe's Nice keeping one hand raised cross aimed at the creature he jammed the knife into the cloth and cut through the fabric when Philippe finished wrapping the creature snout with the vines, he pulled the tatters of Ramona's robes and tied them into one long rope. The two men now had a leash with which to lead the creature. The villagers of Rwanda gasped when they saw the creature, approaching alarms were sounded. Men were roused weapons unsheathed, but Philippe called out to them, ordering them to lay down their arms. The people did so as they saw the truth. The creature was bound helpless harmless. They cheered as romance and Philippe, led the Garg we to the town square Rome honest issued commands. They needed a cage that would hold the beast. The villagers quickly got to work. And before long they had constructed a hefty would cage Romanos led the creature into the cage. Only then did he finally lower his crucifix. As the Gargle we regained its senses, it began to thrash against the walls of its prison. It made to breathe fire onto the human, but it found that it couldn't open it snout. It was trapped. Romance left it to the people of the village to decide the monster's fate. The survivors decided unanimously that the creature would be burned alive mirroring the faded, had dished out upon their slain husbands and sons. And so the creature was put to the torch. It screamed in agony as the flames melted. It's grey scales and scorched. It's flesh. In the morning the creature and the cage had been reduced to ashes save for its head, the villagers inspected the remains, and saw sundered flesh around the Garguzzos snout. It was fireproof a byproduct of the flame. The creature once breathed out. Romanos declared they should mount the GARGUZZOS head atop the church with its mouth pried open. That rain would flow through it and not seep into the church. It was only after they mounted the creature's head that at last rain once again fell on ru on. The people watched in awe at Romano's invention and were impressed at how the GARGUZZOS head redirected water through its mouth. Romance return to his own church soon after his mission had been completed. And as for Philippe, he was pardoned for his crimes allowed to walk free. He did not look back on the village. As he hiked over the horizon, he did not look back to see Romanos the man who had given him his freedom. Watch him go. Romance departed the village soon after the Garg Louise Head stayed mounted on the Church in ruin for many centuries, and the villagers and their descendants were never bothered by the spirits of evil again. Some even came to believe that the GARGUZZOS head once a sign of terror and deaf had become something of a good omen that warded off monsters and demons. The tail of the Gargoyles has a scant origin. Most original sources of the Garg gooey story merely relay the Basic Facts Romanos Fata. Creature called La Guardia we in the region of Ron. He captured it with the help of a condemned man. After burning it alive, he placed the creature's head atop a church where it functioned as a waterspout, the conclusion of this story when remoteness allows the prisoner who aided him to go free is credited as the source for the Bishop's privilege. Whenever prisoners were brought out to execution, the Bishop was allowed to choose one man. Man to pardon as a sign of God's everlasting forgiveness, while the legend takes place during the seventh century when Ramona's was believed to have lived the story, itself didn't appear until closer to the thirteenth century, this was also around the time that stone gargoyles began to be used as waterspouts in Gothic architecture, because the Gargle we was depicted in art as a demon, a monster, the fact that it appeared in churches was a subject of controversy for some time Saint. Ramana story may have been away for Catholic writers to justify the use of Gargoyles in Cathedral buildings. Through the centuries and up to the modern day, the presence of Gargoyles and religious architecture has been justified as symbolic the way they divert water away from a structure is said to mirror the evil being diverted away from the church. Additionally it's likely that gargoyles served as something of a literary device. Illiteracy was high in Europe during the Dark Ages and Gargoyles were sometimes used as depictions of demons or devils in visual stories that the priests would tell to spread the faith during the dark ages when Catholic priests were trying to convince citizens to attend church. They relied on this kind of striking imagery in order to attract attention. Gargoyles were likely popular, precisely because of how disturbing they were to look at and that popularity lend itself to more and more gargoyles, being constructed as parts of churches throughout the Middle Ages. However. Gargoyles have been a staple of medieval God architecture for so long that it's not totally clear why they became so popular. It's actually likely that many gargoyles from the medieval period were only created due to a creative urge from the sculptor, the creature itself however is linked to Catholicism it stands as an embodiment of evil that through the faith and effort of a man of God is struck down and becomes a symbol of the church. Indeed gargoyles are terrifying to behold, and they're a strange thing to adorn a house of worship, but perhaps that's part of their staying power. A gargoyles represents the capacity for a creature to transform from being evil to one of protection, just as the condemned man may be given a second chance at life. The gargoyles was in a way redeemed through its presence on churches across Europe. But perhaps there's a part of the gargoyles that is meant to be explained so that we can project our own anxieties upon it. 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The 2011 Tornado Super Outbreak Pt. 1

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The 2011 Tornado Super Outbreak Pt. 1

"Thank you so much for listening to natural disasters. We want to take this time to tell you that will be away. Okay over the Thanksgiving holiday and won't be releasing an episode on November twenty eighth but we'll be back with a brand new episode on December fifth. Have a happy and and safe Thanksgiving April April. Twenty-seventh two thousand eleven. Tom De lo a program manager. A W T X T in Tuscaloosa Alabama stepped stepped out of the radio station and looked up into the sky but clouds above were low. Dark wind whipped around him. Rain Stung his face. It was a quarter past five in the afternoon in the entire state was on high alert then at five seventeen pm the tornado sirens began to wail. Tom Glanced over the parking lot. He couldn't believe what he saw. An enormous twisting cloud of debris was crossing in front of the station. Tom Turned back to his colleagues who had gathered to watch the storm and encouraged bridged everyone to get back inside. Suddenly there was a bright flash and a loud crack of electricity not far from the building. The radio station went dark. A few miles northeast Brad. Lorence stood in his front yard with his video camera. He saw shingles goals and two by fours spinning in the high velocity win. Only a few hundred yards from his house he started recording. Brad suddenly felt a sharp drop in the air pressure. He pivoted and slammed the front door closed behind him. He said his camera on a window sill still recording and grabbed the cushions off his Living Room Sofa he hurled the SOFA cushions down the basement stairs and ran down after them piling them around and and on top of himself upstairs the roar was deafening. Then the front windows exploded into the house. The tornado had arrived. It was a mile and a half wide before the storm was over. There would be the three hundred sixty one more of them. Welcome to natural disasters apart. CAST original I'm your host Kate and I'm bill. 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Nobody knows for certain when or where tornadoes will strike over the years increasingly complex techniques have been developed to study the storms that create tornadoes but the twisters themselves are still still one of nature's most destructive mysteries meteorologists have an understanding of the weather mechanics. That are most likely to produce tornadoes but even if the conditions are perfect nobody knows where or when a tornado might emerge or how powerful it will be high above North America. Rakha a ribbon of air currents constantly flows from west to east. It brings cold air from the Arctic across the entire continent. This wind highway is called the jetstream. During the week of April Twenty Fifth Two thousand eleven for Jetstream was blowing over a hundred hundred miles an hour. Forty thousand feet up in the air as it skimmed over the rocky mountains. It collected the dry air around the peaks and brought it east that same week. A thousand miles to the south Balmy warm ocean. Air was rolling up off the Gulf of Mexico and moving north. This humid air would settle over the southern United States for several days. These two weather fronts were about to collide and explode into a series series of massive storms. They would wreak havoc over nearly a third of the country and spawn over three hundred and fifty tornadoes in seventy two hours. There's it would become known as the two thousand eleven super outbreak. Although tornadoes have been spotted on every continent except Antarctica. The specific types of weather and wind needed to create Tornados aren't common in every climate one of the few places where these conditions additions are. Common is the Great Plains region of North America this area experiences over a thousand tornadoes a year more than anywhere else on the planet it because of this a large swath of the midwestern United States is known as Tornado Alley for Tornado to form fast. Moving cold air needs to meet warm humid air the cold air shoves the warm air down and rolls over it forming a horizontal twist of wind like an invisible tube of air spinning sideways. Then because warm air rises this spinning tube of air is pushed vertically in a process known as an updraft. This is the origin of thunderstorm. If the wind increases is in strength it will form a giant rotating cloud bank called a super cell this spinning tube of air acts as an insulator for the warm air rising ising up the middle. The cold air drops down along the sides pressuring warm air up the center as more air is moved through the system. The storm grows producing powerful wind and Hail Hail Occurs As supercell Lifts Water Vapor High in the atmosphere is fear often miles above the ground when the vapor turns to rain it freezes as it falls through the frigid air large clumps of hail being the water had a long time to collect and freeze on the way down the size of Hale is a good indicator of how high the storm clouds have grown during the super outbreak. The clouds were over. Six miles high people found chunks of hail the size of a fist. Hail that large can punch holes through windshields and caused severe injuries to anybody caught outside. Sometimes a whirling section of the supercell close to the ground spins off into a small intense vortex. This vortex is a tornado and they occur in about thirty percent of supercell l.. Storms that can be small last for seconds like dust devils in the desert or they can be what Tom and Brad saw in Tuscaloosa enormous spinning towers of debris with wind speeds of over two hundred miles an hour. No matter how big it is if a Tornado oh touches the ground it can suck up and spin objects in its path. Tornadoes can hurl cars like toys crush ten story grain in silos as if they were soda cans and etched grooves into the earth that or a quarter mile wide entire neighborhoods can disappear into their funnels. Josh as though they had never existed twisters leave shocking and sometimes surreal scenes of havoc in their wake there have been sightings of license plates and pencils driven into tree trunks and cows lifted from one field and deposited in another a half half-mile away found completely unharmed. Most Tornado fatalities are caused by flying debris Oklahoma state state medical examiner. Eric Pfeiffer had only been on the job one day when a deadly tornado. Hit the town of El Reno in two thousand thirteen. He said until you see firsthand what a tornado can do to the human body. You don't realize how extremely violent they are the injuries. Juries are similar to a high speed motor vehicle accidents. But they're much more. Numerous things like trees nails glass and steel deal are torn loose and can act as a cutting implement. Imagine a piece of sheet metal. Travelling at two hundred ninety miles per hour it becomes a blender for most of recorded history Tornados were simply measured by the number of people they killed failed or homes. They destroyed the spectrum of Tornado. Damage has only been scientifically measured for the last fifty years in one. Nineteen seventy-one Dr Ted Fujita. A researcher based at the University of Chicago proposed a new system of measuring tornadoes that combined wind wind speed and level of damage. His initial system was a scale from zero to five with zero being the least destructive and five being catastrophic Dr Fujita had studied this catastrophic level of devastation. His whole life starting in nineteen forty five with a terrible terrible events that occurred not far from his university. In Japan Fujita personally witnessed the aftermath of the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki Sake and Hiroshima. He found that the severity of damage from a tornado was similar to nuclear blasts. A few years after its creation the Fujita scale would be put to the test in nineteen seventy four. A surge of tornadoes hit thirteen thirteen states. Over two days Fujita and his team examined the damage and categorized every tornado touchdown. With the new data up the Fujita scale became the standard of measurements for tornadoes. Across the world the swath of tornadoes that Fujita studied in nineteen seventy four was was the most destructive ever measured. That is until two thousand eleven today. An enhanced version of Fujita scale is the bedrock have tornado studies with over forty years of data collected by meteorologists. The six levels on the scale have become much more detailed. The modern scale is from E F zero to F Five E F. Zero Tornado might only touch the ground for a few seconds and causes. It's very little damage. An AF three twister will drive fence posts through trees at one hundred sixty five miles an hour and an e. a five will wipe the earth clean with winds peaking near three hundred miles per hour only fifty nine tornadoes had been categorized as five since one thousand nine hundred fifty between nineteen seventy four when Fujita develop the scale and two thousand eleven there had been nineteen e F. Five's recorded ended. There would be four of them. During the two thousand eleven outbreak and tens of thousands of people would be caught right in their path. Anyone living in Tornado alley would only have as much warning as the national weather. Service could give them the official goal of the NWS his to provide provide at least fifteen minutes warning of impending tornadoes. During the outbreak they would successfully average twenty four minutes warning. This is how lives lives are saved. As Weather Service meteorologist wes Browning explained after a powerful Tornado in Missouri. We saw many people digging through their possessions Russians what we saw though invariably was a lack of as has been said before life threatening injuries. Not only because we had a thirty four minute lead time from the National National Weather Service but because our media partners carried that morning immediately to the public and thirdly that the public did what we have told them to do do the National Weather Service maintains a network of weather stations throughout the country. But the storm prediction center is based in an on assuming office park in Norman Norman Oklahoma. The center is located in a squat round brick building surrounded by parking lots and prairie grasses a little plaque planted in front identifies this as the most important hub for storm tracking in the United States within the walls of the SBC there is enough meteorological era logical technology and personnel to maintain a comprehensive twenty four hour. Watch of every weather front from puget. Sound to Key West on April twenty fifth the S. P. C. was monitoring the collision of the cool jetstream with the warm low pressure. Front coming up from the Gulf it was gathering energy. This'll be more into the mid Atlantic maybe parts of the Carolinas with a slight risk more isolated damaging winds and large hail and then another area down along the front. That's GonNa Kinda stall in the northern Gulf states hit southern Illinois Southern Indiana Northern Northern and Western Kentucky and Ohio pretty hard with widespread gusts of sixty eighty miles an hour and some locally higher than that it seemed as if if where we are accustomed to a big tornado striking and then playing itself out in most occasions that many of these big super super cells got stronger and stronger the S. P. C. issued their first Tornado Watch for the outbreak at Eleven A.. M Central Standard Time it. It read urgent immediate broadcast requested the NWF storm prediction center has issued a tornado. Watch for portions of Western in Arkansas Southeast Oklahoma Northeast Texas. It was the two hundred first. Severe Weather Watch issued that year the S. SPEC- would issue over fifty more in the next two days for counties all the way to the Atlantic coast everywhere from Texas all the way through the Ohio Valley Alley and we actually have three three watches in place currently To severe one tornado. Watch just after five PM the first tornado sightings writings came in several e F zero and e F One's hit rural parts of Tennessee and Arkansas tearing up utility Poles snapping off pine trees and wrecking small sheds barns. No injuries had been reported yet. Then disaster struck the small town of Bologna Bologna Arkansas. When we return we'll hear about the first fatal Tornado of the two thousand eleven super outbreak? Their four-legged full of love and oftentimes more like family than their nickname suggests the podcast original dog tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. Every Monday dog tales embarks on a new journey of courage service and unwavering sacrificed by our most loyal companions. You'll hear tales of inspiration from all breeds of life like buddy the German shepherd. The world's first seeing I guide dog or Huskies Balto and Togo the sled dogs who made a lifesaving medical delivery from anchorage to nome each episode of Dog Tales is as unique as the pops opts themselves and sure to bring you closer to the furry friend in your life so get ready to sit stay and roll over with excitement for podcast. endearing thinks series dog tales listened to dog tales. Free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story the first tornadoes of the two thousand eleven super outbreak were cited in western Arkansas. On Monday April twenty fifth they were short lived and not very powerful measuring as e zero and e f ones on the Fujita. The scale every state in the south was on alert and most were under Tornado. Watches David and Catherine tally of greenbrier. Arkansas were. We're visiting family in the town of Bologna. That week. They were staying in a mobile home. That was part of a subdivision called black oak ranch. Lisa Watson was is also a resident at Black Oak when the first local tornado warning came in. She hurried her three children into the car and headed out of town as she sped. Bet Away from the subdivision. She saw tornado off to her left. Another Bologna resident Richard Bass was at home with his kids. When the tornado appeared a friend of mine warned me that the tornado was on top of US and before I could shoot a text back saying no it's not Felt the barometric pressure drops I felt the rumbling and grabbed my three kids and my three dogs to the closet. Right back there. David and Catherine Tally Allie saw the twister. To David made a call to his mother as they fled from their mobile home to a heavy steel shipping container. They used as storage. They felt it would be safer than the lightly constructed mobile home the tornado barrel down on Bologna. It tore the roof off the grocery store. It tossed several cars across the main road. It reduced mobile homes to nothing but heaps of wood and installation with residents possession scattered everywhere Tarini Atkins and her family huddled in their laundry room. They suddenly heard a loud sucking noise and realize realize the water was being pulled out of the pipes and sink drains. We could feel our ears popping. She said another Bologna resident. Sally Lanham felt the same thing they went right through our front yard. He can see the rotation McLeod and we could see debris fine But IT MR missed the house. It took the pool. Shed knockdown huge trees loud wind our ears popped and then just in seconds it was over Rick Sadder white hidden a storm cellar with his wife and inlaws and felt the suction inside into the Delaware. And Yeah we get we could tell You know that it was It was pretty bad outside. 'cause he was second album storm cellar. I had twenty twenty carport. A car for Just to wipe them the house and it was slow. It was floated away. But it's out in the field to the east of the House as David David. Catherine tally took cover the shipping container. David quickly finished his conversation with his mother. He told her that he loved her. Before he hung no nope the valona Tornado was categorized as a strong e F two and it left a slice through the town that was three miles ells wide. Ten people were dead including David. And Catherine tally the twister. Had picked up the container and hurled it a hundred hundred and fifty feet into a nearby pond. The two thousand eleven super outbreak had claimed its first victims. The forecast predicted it at least another forty eight hours of dangerous weather. People turn to television and radio news for hourly updates. The storm warning stacked up quickly. Roy As night fell over the devastation in Bologna another e F. Two Tornado hit the Air Force Base in little rock wrecking several. We'll see one thirty aircraft and damaging over one hundred barracks more tornadoes. Were seen in Arkansas. Texas and Louisiana emergency emergency services begin digging through rubble and pulling people out of the remains of their homes damaged reports and further storm sightings poured in from law enforcement demint and emergency personnel. There were not enough fire trucks or ambulances for every town that had suffered damage in some counties. The fire stations stations themselves had been wrecked but that storm cell had passed giving a brief respite to those who had been through the worst. There was time to count the the dead and assess the damage before the next round of storms arrived during the early morning hours. Everything combat a quite a bit and The system that system has moved out of the state and of course it it left my Lots of lots of destruction the patterns not changing and and it looks like we're going to see another round of severe thunderstorms With very heavy rainfall from eastern port northeastern portions of Texas up to Arkansas consigned to up the Lower Ohio Valley. We'll see another round of severe storms with again potential for isolated tornadoes across much of central southern in Arkansas. A little bit lower threat across the north factors are coming together where we will have the potential for some strong tornadoes and maybe even even want her one long lived very dangerous tornado saying es three or above the next morning the storm prediction center was on high. I alert it was April twenty-sixth and the previous day's Tornados. Were just the beginning of the nightmare. They monitored the hungry storm front as it plowed on towards Alabama and the jurisdiction of NWS Birmingham. Jim Stefka Vich was the head of the National Weather Service Station in Birmingham Birmingham Alabama his tenure at NWS Birmingham had begun in the hurricane season of two thousand five the year. Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans Steph. Kovic was no stranger to bad weather. He had been with the weather service for thirty years and even held a position Russian at the Maryland headquarters before he graduated from college since then he'd been stationed all over the country. He was watching the oncoming super cells with an impending sense of dread his team at NWS Birmingham would need all hands on deck for the next several days as the storm cell all exploded in size even though many of their own homes and families were right. In the storm's predicted path. Kevin laws was is one of the lead meteorologists on Steph. Rich's team he knew they may be looking at a worst case. Scenario where a storm is so strong so destructive that no amount of effort can save you. He was also concerned about people ignoring the warnings the NWS was putting putting out during the summer months Tornado warnings were common and they were often inaccurate. The previous year the warnings were wrong about about eighty percent of the time in fact during the Bologna Tornado. One resident named Pat Fulmer nearly came out from safety because she thought the warnings were false alarms. There had been two previous warnings. That didn't result in Tornado touchdowns. She was feeling almost safe in. The assurance is that the warning sirens were overly sensitive. This revealed fundamental issue with Tornado predictions. They are never guarantees. Tornado warnings. Come out often for midwestern and southern states and they are a part of daily life for the residents of Tornado Alley. People said they weren't paying great attention last night. Clear thinking would go to more but we weren't worried at that point even with the assistance of the SPCA in Oklahoma Bahama. All that Kevin laws in Jim steph cabbage could do was watch the data every minute create their reports and issue warnings they. I couldn't force people to heed them. Complacency could be as dangerous as the storms. The Birmingham office had been very cognizant of their false warning earning rate and always attempted to avoid the accusation of crying wolf. But if the weather service didn't issue a warning even a weak tornado could could still strike. The decision weighed heavy on Stefka Vich laws and their team should they trigger the number of warnings that their data said were necessary and and risk the tornado sirens becoming background noise or hold off and leave people completely vulnerable. If a tornado did land laws wrote about the dilemma. Afterwards addressing the concerns he'd heard about the warning systems prior to the storm in shorts. They were Being urged to improve the accuracy of their detections two of the television partners most concerned about accurate warnings for the approaching storm were or lead meteorologist James Span and Weatherman Jason Simpson of ABC thirty three forty the affiliate that covered Birmingham. I'm an Tuscaloosa. Jason had worked for James Span for seven years having. I met him after a presentation. During Jason's senior year of high high school. Jason had always loved meteorology even as a teenager. He is passionate had impressed ban and he had offered Jason an internship on the spot got six years later. He hired Jayson to be part of his weather team. James Span was a legendary weatherman known across Alabama for whereas soothing baritone and genuine personality span had reached a status of celebrity usually reserved for movie stars. He had reached the friend friend limit on facebook had a massive twitter following and ran a hugely successful weekly online talk show. He even had his own bobblehead doll. So so if James Span was worried people new to pay attention. He and Jason had been watching the forecasts out of the SPCA in Oklahoma for days. He's they knew it was going to be bad. They ready themselves for long days on the air. TV meteorologists like span could not issue warnings. Only the weather service could but it was their responsibility to broadcast them as quickly as possible as the tornado In Bologna had shown every minute of advance warning could save lives. But even if a tornado touchdown and was reported there was no way to know how powerful and destructive it would be a tornado could only be categorized. After it had occurred sending out investigators immediately mmediately was also one of the responsibilities of the weather service. NWS personnel would arrive in towns that had been decimated only hours previously previously and would have to calmly and factually report the terrible damage. Injuries and deaths only then would a Fujita category or be applied as the field reports came in during the week of the super outbreak. The meteorologist realized that the Tornados were even stronger. The mayor predicted most of the initial tornadoes were rated e f one or e F two but the wind damage reports worsened from there. Investigators were seeing levels of destruction caused by e AF three and year four twisters and the storm was still growing more intense. We'll hear about the incredible destructive power of the outbreaks I e F five Tornado. Right after this now back to the story during the two thousand eleven super outbreak these severity frequency and power of the tornadoes set new records across the board the most tornadoes in a single day in a single month the highest property and crop damage in history. But how could a single storm challenge or break so many records that had been set over the course of decades. Some scientists immediately suspected climate change was to blame the huge open. Plains of North America gathered sunlight eight an atmospheric heat exceptionally well could global warming be the culprit. The answer wasn't a simple one. Climate Change due to human activity is called anthropogenic. Two studies conducted by the National Oceanic and atmospheric administration or Noah found that it was very difficult to find hard evidence that anthropogenic climate change impacted the frequency of tornadoes over the past thirty years. Aw by two thousand. Eleven science had decades of data that allowed meteorologist to create the enhanced Fujita scale but historical stoorikhel Tornados were largely known by stories and anecdotal evidence. Before the Fujita scale was developed. This man it was impossible to establish long long term trends current hard data was analyzed alongside Tornado records from before nineteen seventy those records were relatively ably sparse and almost entirely subjective. After all the minute by minute wind speeds measured at a modern airport couldn't be compared to a grandmother's grandmother's memory of the howl of twister in nineteen thirty five. The conclusion of Noah was that there was no way to identify a direct cause for the severity of the two thousand eleven outbreak. But that didn't matter to the people who are living through the storms during that week in in April two thousand eleven. All they knew was that the sky had opened up above them over and over to drop huge towers of destruction wrapped in Hail and rain. The morning of April twenty-sixth dawned without sunshine. Gray clouds hovered over the south and promised another day of dangerous weather. The meteorologists knew more tornadoes were coming but tornadoes weren't the only killer with the immense amount of rain that accompanied the Super Outbreak Storm rivers all across the south began to burst. There's levies every every single in my county is slowly going underwater. We need fan baggers. We need food. We need water. We need anything we can get in here anything anybody can help us. We're open to the river river backs up into the lakes and creeks around here. All this water is backing up into this area. There were several fatalities when people tried to drive across flooded roads and were swept away. Others were caught in flash floods that washed across the region while tornadoes is came and went leaving trails of destruction behind. The rains continued unabated and the flood damage only worsened. The waters waters rose and inundated large parts of states that were already suffering. We have flood watches and flash flood watches and warnings in perfect. All the way from northeast Texas all the way up into Indiana down to central Tennessee and even the northern portions of Alabama Mississippi. We're going to see again. Another round of very heavy rain rain across the area or a continuing heavy rains across the area. And they're going to be a lot of flooding issues. Go to hear coming out of the central. US over the course of the next two to three days it has been rising four inches every sixteen minutes. It's supposed to crest in the morning at twenty one feet as the day wore on the storm spread itself farther north reaching into his constant and Michigan. The low pressure systems systems were widening to form a nearly unbroken line of storms across the entire country from Texas to the Great Lakes. Hail the size of Golf Golf Balls was reported at the same time in New York Michigan. Texas and Indiana at one forty five pm on the twenty sixth. The National Weather Service started upgrading. Many of their Tornado watches to P. D. S. which meant particularly dangerous situation back at NWS Birmingham Jim. Stefka Vich braced himself as he analyzed the data coming in from the West he would later say a quota to Alabama DOT com. I've worked in seven states and been through mini Tornado events. I literally was sick to my stomach on deeper twenty-sixth knowing what was coming as people went to bed on the night of the twenty. Sixth many of them still had their emergency agency radios at their bedside. He tried to fall asleep in between bouts of lightning thunder and hail there. There haven't been reported fatalities yet from the tornadoes that touched down that day and many people believe they had already been through the worst. They were wrong the next day. April twenty-seventh would be the deadliest day for tornadoes in seventy five years. So far the the two thousand eleven super outbreak had produced over a hundred tornadoes across six states. Emergency crews worked overnight to dig big people out of rubble and provide shelter and supplies to those whose homes had been destroyed at three nineteen am. On April. twenty-seventh Jim Stefka pitch and his team at the National Weather Service in Birmingham released a hazardous weather outlook for the day. It was a county by county prediction for the approaching shing onslaught of turbulent weather the. NWS forecast was urgent and did not mince words. It said now is the time to review your Severe Weather Action Plan and be prepared to take quick action. The report concluded with a single for boating sentence activation tation of storm spotters and emergency management will be needed today and tonight even with radar and satellite reports. The only way to be certain certain Tornado had actually touched down was to have a human being. See it with their own eyes in report accurately meteorologists. Call this ground rounded truth. Accurate Ground Truth reporting for the super outbreak required a massive fleet of volunteer storm spotters and chasers. Spotters spotters are based in towns across the country who stay in their area to report storm. Chasers pick up and track the storms following them for are miles and often across entire states in Tornado Alley Storm. Chasers are very common site while traffic would jam up on the highways leading away from a tornado. Chasers would be heading the opposite direction into the path of the twister they often drive a large large. SUV's with a pin cushion of antennas and whether measurement equipment strapped onto their vehicles the interiors can resemble a spaceship with huge burping arrays of lights screens storm. Chasers tried to get alongside the storms to place measurement equipment and cameras in time to capture any tornado that was formed. They collect data on variable wind. Speed barometric pressure and rain Hail Hale and temperature measurements their photos and videos also serve as evidence for weather service. Investigators sometimes storm chasers would arrive arrive too late or be too far away to get to the storm. In time. In many instances these storm would outrun them moving across the ground faster. They're speeding. Vehicles could keep up but what every storm chaser wanted to avoid was being in the right place at the wrong time. A Tornado could change direction without warning and come right for them while most storm chasers were volunteers who relied on their personal savings things. To keep up their research activities they were not all amateurs psalm. Were professional scientists sponsored by universities and Noah grants. It was a dangerous but necessary role by the morning of the twenty seventh storm. Chasers from across the country had descended on Alabama Emma and Mississippi to join the local spotters. All of them were ready to record and report by seven. AM on on. April twenty-seventh over thirty tornadoes had already touched down in Alabama. But the skies over Birmingham and Tuscaloosa were disarmingly clear. Clear as the sun rose. It shone bright. The Sky was blue and it appeared as though these storms had passed that James Span span knew better he had been at the TV stations since just after five. The first Tornado of the day Alabama had struck at four sixteen eighteen. AM He had sped over to the station immediately only to be confronted with a new set of problems. The previous two days of storms arms had wreaked havoc on the forecasting ability of weather services across the south radar and radio. Transmitters were gone sky. Cameras had been destroyed lead and these cellular towers that had survived were overburdened with emergency calls and survivors trying to reach their loved ones. Then a report came out of smithville Mississippi. A massive tornado had touchdown seventeen were dead. The twister had been on the ground for thirty eight miles crossing the state line and killing another seven people in Alabama the peak wind speed had had been clocked at over two hundred fifty miles an hour. It was an F.. Five some of the folks who are in the the bank there they got in evolved and when the tornado after Tornado went through that came out the ball was the only thing standing. Nearly the entire town is flat and the the Post Office Police Department City Hall and industrial site that has several furniture manufacturing facilities. It reminds me really of what I saw on the the Mississippi coast after Hurricane Katrina there is debris and not a standing structure for as far as you can see. The Mississippi Highway Patrol says search and rescue missions. Will I asked throughout the day. We've seen search teams with cadaver dogs going through rubble. It's just a slow and painstaking process. Basically SMITHVILLE was just Wiped away by that Tornado. The staggering details poured in the SMITHVILLE Tornado had been hurtling forward at seventy miles an hour. It tore through the town in ten seconds a half dozen homes made of brick had been obe liberated and the owners taking shelter inside had been killed an suv had been lifted and thrown half a mile all before it smashed into the Smithville water tower. A hundred and thirty feet in the air. It left a massive dent in the tower before it was hurled. Another quarter mile into the town cemetery. The most powerful category of Tornado had finally been produced by the superstorm then the twister disappeared back into the clouds and the storm continued rolling East directly towards Tuscaloosa and Birmingham coming him. The deadliest tornado go of the outbreak was still to come. We'll join the inhabitants of Alabama as they attempt to survive the most dangerous twenty four hours of the outbreak AAC in our next episode. 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S8: Treasure Hunt: The Great Mogul Diamond

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S8: Treasure Hunt: The Great Mogul Diamond

"It outlasted the reign of kings survived the fall of empires but after the assassination of its final owner in seventeen. Forty-seven all records of the great mogul. Diamond virtually disappeared. If you enjoy this episode and want to hear. More Tales of history's most mystifying. Disappearances subscribe to our series gone today in addition to new episodes of gone. Every other Monday. You'll get a special mini episode on off Monday's but only on spotify until then enjoy this road in seventeen thirty nine Persian emperor dear Shah led an army of approximately twenty thousand men against Mohammad. Shah the mogul emperor of India in a ruthless invasion deer and his decimated Muhammed's armies in what is known as the battle of Karnal. Muhammed eventually surrendered handing over his empire in Delhi. This empire wasn't only land but included something so rare tantalizing its true value was incalculable. The great mogul diamond. However this two hundred eighty carat gemstone came with a curse. Those who came into contact with a great diamond had gone bankrupt been exiled and had their entire empire thrown now dear. Its new owner was not spared in seventeen forty seven. Assassins broke into New Year's quarters and decapitated him. And just like that. The Great Mogul. Diamond disappeared from the annals of history. Hi I'm molly and I'm Richard. Welcome to gone the show where we search for everything missing every other Monday. We examined mysterious disappearances. The theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller the Costco paintings. To the address can language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find previous episodes as well as podcasts. Other podcasts on your favorite podcast directory. Some of you have been asking how you can support gone if you enjoy the show. The best way to support us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you listen today we will be looking into the seventeen forty seven disappearance of the great mogul diamond which arose from the dirt of a dried riverbed in India and became one of the world's most puzzling precious stones. The Great Mogul. Diamond had a brief and troubling history. It was kept as a testament to its owners wealth and power but it was never in the same hands for long. The brilliant diamond witnessed this exile of kings and the fall of empires but in seventeen forty-seven after the assassination of its final owner. All records of the diamond virtually disappeared. How could such a grand treasurer be so quickly lost to time? Our first theory claims that it ended up in the British crown. Jewels after England's colonisation of India. Our second theory assumes that the diamond is actually masquerading as another famous diamond. The Orlov now residing in a Russian museum but whether it's hiding in plain sight or the diamond remains in some other unknown location. The great mogul diamond remains a much sought after mystery to fully explore this story. We must go back to the Diamond's origins at the center of the Earth. Most people believed that diamonds come from coal but the truth is coal. Rarely plays a part in the formation of diamonds coal is produced by ancient plant deposits on the earth's surface but most diamonds come from the Earth's mantle nearly one hundred miles below the surface and when diamonds emerged from those extreme depths. Don't come quietly there. Spewed out through violent volcanic eruptions known as Kimberlite eruptions. These are extremely rare and it is believed that the less kimberlite eruption occurred more than twenty five million years ago. The great mogul diamond was most likely formed from one of these eruptions. It was discovered along the Krishna River in the Gulf Kanda Mine. In India India was the birthplace of the diamond trade which probably began around four hundred BC. In fact until seventeen twenty five when diamonds were first discovered in Brazil? India was the only source of these gems. These unique stones were quickly seen as valuable indicators of class status and traded along the Silk Road a network of trade routes connecting the east with the West not to mention early civilizations actually believed the diamonds were gifts from the Gods and those who found or received them would be blessed with wealth strength and good health if that was the case they must have believed the great mogul diamond. Would bring them immortality because it was so massive in sixteen fifty six when it made its first real appearance and written histories. The Islamic mogul empire was thriving India prusiene Emperor Shah Jehan whose name means King of the world presided over the throne and his taste for extravagance reflected this estes title in sixteen thirty two. He commissioned the famed Taj Mahal in Agra a stunning mausoleum built for his young wife after her death Shah Jehan also had the famous peacock throne adorned with gold and covered in rubies emeralds and pearls built for himself but he was about to get even fancier because in sixteen fifty six a wealthy general named Emir Gem. La came to Delhi and met with Shah Jehan to establish good diplomatic relations. Jemma worked for Abdulah King of Gaul Kanda India and was trying to broker an alliance between the two leaders. But he didn't come empty-handed among his gifts for the emperor was the great diamond at the time it was the largest diamond ever discovered in its rough original state. This stone way to wapping seven hundred eighty seven and a half carrots. That's equal to more than one hundred and fifty seven grams about as heavy as a billiards ball or half as heavy as a human heart. That's huge the average size for an engagement ring in the US in two thousand seventeen was zero point nine carrots so not even one carat and that size goes for about six thousand dollars depending on design retailer and other factors to give vague sense of its value. One of the largest diamonds ever sold at auction one hundred and eighteen carat diamond a fraction of the size of the great mogul. That went for thirty point. Six million dollars in two thousand thirteen as for what it looked like it has been described as an egg cut in half. The top end formed a cone shape. The opposite end a flat circle. This shape was referred to as a rose cut because the shape somewhat resembles a Rosebud. Rose cuts are relatively rare and this gave the great mogul diamond and even more unique quality. Jehan was quite pleased with a gift but ordered that the diamond be cut to make it fit for an emperor such as he the stone in its natural state would not do. There were too many aesthetic flaws like lines and cracks which in jeweler speak are called inclusions. Ancient Indian text. The ran up periscope alluded to the importance of a flawless diamond. Saying quote. Wise men not use a diamond with visible flaws. As a gem end quote so Jehan hired or ten CIO born Gio of Venetian lapidary or gemstone cutter to refine it. Bora Gio began cutting the stone grinding away. All the problematic flaws but go figure the more he ground the smaller and lighter stone God after Borgias work. The stone was a mirror. Two hundred eighty three carats less than half the size of the original this way about two ounces as much as a staff of twelve nichols not a billiards ball. But still quite the hefty jewel. Unfortunately the new size and weight became a bit of a problem. The size of the stone was one of its primary appeals Emperor Shah. Jehan was furious so much so he wanted to execute Borneo for his poor workmanship but Jehan stopped short of that instead. He Find Bores. Yo Ten thousand rupees. Basically all the money. That diamond cutter had to his name. Borgias page gone and laughed a very poor and shamefaced man. It seemed that bore Joe may have been the first man to fall prey to the curse of the great mogul. Several years later in sixteen fifty seven. John became very ill in his old age. This launched a competition for the throne between his four sons. The Youngest Orange Zab killed one of his brothers and eventually claimed the empire. He sent his father away to the Red Fort. A Sandstone fortress located on the Yarmuk River it was basically a prison for Shah Jehan where he spent the last years of his life until his death in sixteen. Sixty six whatever happened to respecting your elders. Let alone your own father and I have to ask could. The so called. Curse of the diamond have led to John's plight possibly but we can also blame orange ebbs greed. He wanted the kingdom and all its treasures to himself including the great mogul diamond are exempt kept all that he wrongfully inherited in a special chamber in the palace he was very proud of it is collection. Caught the eye of a famous jewel merchant from France named John Baptiste. Tavernier Tavernier was a world traveler. And Jim Aficionado who made six voyages to the East between sixteen thirty to sixteen sixty eight. He wrote extensively about his experiences. Eventually publishing the two volume book the six voyages of Jean Baptiste Tavernier. It became a best seller and was translated into four languages in his lifetime. This man was so obsessed with diamonds that he traveled at his own expense in search of them and reveled in the opportunity to study them since only royalty in the extremely affluent could get hold of such prizes tavern. Yay met with a lot of important global leaders. He was known internationally for his expertise. Gemstones one such leader which Schaja Han Sun King. Orange Ebb who led Tavernier get acquainted with the great mogul diamond officers? Escort Tavernier into a small chamber where the king was sitting on his throne. Tavernier then met the chief keeper of the Jewels Cal Khan who commanded for UNIX to fetch the stones. They brought the gems out on gilded wooden trays covered with red velvet cloths to protect them such presentation and understandably so. Tavernier was awed by all this documented. The experience writing quote the first piece which CAL CON put in. My hands was the great diamond. Which is around. Rose cut very high on one side on the lower edge. There is a slight crack and a little flaw in it. It's water is beautiful unquote water refers to a diamonds degree of brilliance. According to Ta- Varney a the great mogul was extremely bright and sparkly to put it in simpler terms. It made quite the impression on him and he forever immortalized it by drawing a sketch of it in his book after this Tavernier's continued on his journey of Jules. Leaving the great mogul behind better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. They say the diamond remained with the mogul empire passing hands to an emperor by the name of Mohammad Shah in seventeen nineteen a little over fifty years after Orange Ebrell the region but it would not stay with this new leader for long. Perhaps we have the curse to blame for that because Emperor Muhammad Shah was in for a world of trouble. Could the great mogul diamond had been responsible for the fall of Mohammed shots empire? We'll find out after the break now. Back to the story in seventeen. Thirty EIGHT MOGUL. Emperor Mohammad Shop possessed one of the region's most valued treasures. The great mogul diamond. But that and everything else Mohammed owned was about to be threatened a bloodthirsty emperor from Persia was coming for the mogul empire. His name was nadir's born in sixteen. Eighty eight in Khorasani Persia nuclear grew up a poor peasant. He was forced into slavery but escaped captivity and eventually became a soldier. The military was where he thrived nuclear advanced quickly there but when he conflicted with a high ranking official name dear went rogue and formed his own army bold move definitely and it set the stage for. Nadir's rise to power in seventeen twenty nine. He freed Persia from Afghan control and seven years later ascended to the throne as emperor of Persia not long after he went on conquering rampage throughout much of the East which led him to just outside of Delhi India with a foolproof strategy for a takeover at Karnal Sixty eight miles north of Delhi. Nadu Shah Army of twenty thousand against Muhammad Shah's forces consisting of nearly three hundred thousand soldiers and two thousand war elephants. Although the deers troops were greatly outnumbered. Muhammed's forces had a disadvantage. There artillery was fairly antiquated. Much too heavy and hard to maneuver. Nadir's Shaw ever. The military strategist used a three prong approach dividing his limited troops into three main sectors. Using one of these lines of offense a diversion shock commanded an ambush and it was downhill for the mogul troops from there. The Persians defeated their enemy within three hours of the battles start. This was the beginning of the end of the mogul dynasty. Mohammad Shah soon handed over his empire tuna dear soon after the deer began enforcing strict laws and taxation on citizens. The Persian military presence was oppressive and soldiers were quick to punish civilians. This intern catalyzed an uprising. Civilians fought back killing the dears men when the deer himself wrote out from his newly claimed palace a man fired a musket at him narrowly missing him. This was the last Straw and it drove nuttier to seek safety the top of a mosque once there. He ordered his men to enter all the areas where Persian soldiers were being attacked and kill every civilian inside erased. His sword which signalled the start of a massacre around thirty thousand civilians including women and children were killed by Persians. After the bloodshed deer had his men plunder all the riches and treasures of the mogul dynasty stealing the famous peacock throne and of course the legendary. Great Mogul diamond. Sadly Nadir's bloodlust only increased as he traveled the lands to gain more territory. He loved war and he took pride and decimating villages and cities at one point. When told that there would be no war in the afterlife? Dear responded with quote there be any delights there end quote. His murderous rampages caught up with him though and he developed severe liver and gastrointestinal problems not to mention his mind began to get the best of him as he became increasingly psychotic. Time went on then in seventeen forty one and assassination attempt. Put him over the edge. Nadiri was convinced that his eldest son raise Kuli Mirza was the man behind the plot so he had him blinded six years later afternoon. Deers physical and mental states continued to deteriorate. Several of his commanders. Entered his private quarters while he slept wants there. They attacked him but he awoke and fought back. He killed two of them but the others managed to cut off his head thus in seventeen forty seven. Now Dear Shaw's violent reign came to an end. Dear left behind a treasure trove among the valuables. The great mogul diamond or so. We think we don't know for sure because afternoon deers death. The diamond couldn't be found or tract. Where did that majestic stone sneak off to? Was it strategically taken or did it simply get lost in the mix? One thing to note is that the great mogul diamond is only called that in John. Baptiste Tavernier's report. That's the name he gave. It many believed that the great mogul diamond could have become the Kohinoor diamond. The great mogul diamond disappeared from written history. Leaving no track record so when a similar diamond popped up in British records some historians in jewelers suggested it was actually that same stone making a reappearance. Let's take a look at the story of the Kohinoor and see if it lines up with the great mogul. First of all Kohinoor means mountain of light in Persian. According to an article in scientific American it was NYDIA. Who named the great mogul the Kohinoor? When he first laid eyes on it this would have been in seventeen thirty nine when it fell into his hands. After the battle of Karnal perhaps the great mogul was simply renamed by. It's last confirmed. Owner mountain of light sounds as though it would benefit anyone who possessed it however Hindu taxed claimed only a woman could wear the Kohinoor. If a man owned it he would be cursed another aspect which links the two diamonds making a case for their shared. Identity Bright Schaja. Jehan died in captivity after his son basically imprisoned him dear Shah was murdered by his own men in the story of the Coen afternoon dear. Shah's death the stone passed to one of his generals Ahmad Shah Durrani his descendant Shah Shujaat. Durrani eventually got a hold of the diamond and brought it back to India in eighteen thirteen in the early nineteenth century. The kohinoor diamond passed his shy Shia Aghanistan who had inherited it now the Maharaja of Punjab India a man by the name of Ranjit Singh got wind of the Kohinoor Prestige. And he wanted it badly. He tried to strike a deal with the Afghan leader. But Shaw Shia. Didn't want to hand it over. This caused some diplomatic issues and mighty the political waters between the two regions sing stalled by lying several times. I saying that he pawned the Kohinoor. Then saying it was lost with a bunch of other jewels and after the third request he sent a Topaz gem to run Jeet Singh claiming that was the jewel seeing was furious at the ruse and in a surprising power. Move sent a guard. She has house to prevent him from drinking or eating for two days. She finally caved and agreed to hand over the diamond and so it made its way to a new owner yet again in eighteen forty-three duleep Singh. The last of Ranjit Singh sons became the ruler of Punjab and inherited the Kohinoor. He was only ten years old at the time while this was going on. The British of the east India Company and the sick empire were entangled in a series of wars for control of the continent. The east India company had first arrived on the shores of India in sixteen hundred eight with two goals in mind established trade and acquire territory in Sixteen fifteen. The British established a factory at Seurat eventually formed several trading posts along the coast the British established large communities around the three primary cities of Calcutta Bombay and Madras. But what started out. As a business venture eventually transformed into a military takeover the company gained a stronghold in the region and eventually began to dominate Indian government and education by eighteen forty nine the British claimed the ultimate victory and gained ownership of Lahore the capital city of Punjab. And guess what the British wanted the Kohinoor. They made this clear in the treaty. They forced young. Delete sing to sign. Part of the treaty read quote. The Gem called the Kohinoor shall be surrendered by the Maharaja of Lahore to the Queen of England. End Quote once surrendered. The diamond was put in supposedly safe keeping. It was weighed at one hundred. Eighty seven carrots which is almost one hundred less than the last week of the great mogul. So if the Kohinoor is the great mogul diamond. It would have been cut some time in the century between. Shawna deers and the British acquisition of the diamond. It seems odd that any owners would wanna cut the diamond while Tavernier did not a slight flaw that an owner might have wanted to remove cutting the diamond. That severely seems illogical. Losing so many carrots would certainly sink. Its value but there are earier similarities. Between the great mogul diamond and the Kohinoor once it was weighed. Three members of the British government at Punjab were tasked with holding the Kohinoor until they were ordered to do otherwise. One of those men John Lawrence would be the one to keep it on his person but one night lawrence place the diamond which was now encased in a box inside his coat pocket however when he changed for dinner and removed his coat he forgot to transfer the diamond about six weeks later. The men received a message. That Queen Victoria wanted the diamond immediately and then came the Ono Moment for Lawrence. He didn't know where the diamond was. We'll find out where the diamond went after the break now back to the story in eighteen fifty nine John Lawrence tasked with protecting the Kohinoor. Diamond had forgotten it in his coat pocket several weeks earlier and now the queen of England herself was ordering it to be delivered to her as soon as possible pretending he knew exactly where it was lawrence quickly ran to find his servant and asked if he had found anything in his coat pocket weeks earlier the servant replied yes. I've found it and put it in one of your boxes. The Servant brought the box to him and Lawrence opened it to find the diamond safe and sound. Well can you imagine the Relief Lawrence must have felt what a close call? Indeed it was. It could have easily been stolen or lost. And that would have been a hefty price to pay now that the diamond was located. It was on. Its Way to England but I it had to survive the streets of Bombay India and some of its rougher areas it passed through unscathed and once it reached London it was put an iron box and deposited in the government treasury on July third eighteen. Fifty the deputy chairman hand delivered to Buckingham Palace for the Queen. But as it crossed into Britain's epicenter it brought with it the whispers of suspicion. The legend of this diamond that it carried a bad luck curse became a rumor that swept the nation in many were wary of its potential power this curse is reminiscent of the curse that came with the great mogul diamond the similarities between that and the Kohinoor are stacking up and this curse only made the Kohinoor more alluring in England. It debuted in the great exhibition in the Crystal Palace in Hyde Park people came in droves to view it. It was the toast of the town but then people started to talk and criticize the diamond. The main note was that it didn't shine as brilliantly as everyone had hoped and there was one important man who agreed with the sentiment. Prince Albert Queen. Victoria's husband so he ordered it. Be Re cut and polished. Prince Albert hired a Dutchman vermonter reputable diamond cutter who travelled to London to do the work. This process took thirty eight days. The GEM now weighed one hundred five carrots but the re cutting allowed. It's face to reflect more light so it appeared to be brighter and more brilliant clean. Victoria began wearing it as broach. There's a photo of her taken in eighteen. Eighty seven in which is in diamonds but the Kohinoor stands out as the largest and most notable. The stone wouldn't stay in. That broke forever though. It was eventually placed in the center of a Royal Crown and Queen. Alexandra Victoria's daughter-in-law was the first to wear it. Then in nineteen thirty seven the Kohinoor was reset into a new crown and the Queen. Mother began wearing it. The Queen Mother refers to Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes Lyon the wife of King George the sixth and the mother of Queen Elizabeth the second and Princess Margaret. She even wore it at her own funeral in two thousand two. That was the last time the Kohinoor made a public appearance. The diamond remains in the crown and now resides in the jewel house in the Tower of London. There's been much controversy surrounding the true of this diamond Indian. Government officials have repeatedly demanded it be returned citing that it was forcibly taken during England's colonisation of India. According to an article from the Telegraph posted in two thousand sixteen the Ministry of Culture said quote the government of India further reiterates. Its resolve to make all possible efforts to bring back the Kohinoor diamond in an amicable manner and quote and the controversy continues to this day but the history of the Kohinoor prior to being in British hands is muddy. And it's hard to verify who exactly owned it or where exactly it came from other than a mine in Gull Kanda the same area. The great mogul diamond came from. Could this mean that the Kohinoor was indeed the great mogul diamond at one point? And perhaps it was only its name. That changed a meteorologist by the name of James Tennant thinks so he believes that the Kohinoor displays similarities to the great mogul described by expert jeweler. Jean Baptiste Tavernier. During his study of IT tenant rights quote. The KOHINOOR had a flaw near the summit. Which being on a line of cleavage parallel to the upper surface may very possibly have been produced when the upper portion was removed and quote. If you'll recall much of the great mogul was removed in the mid sixteen hundreds when Shaw Johann had cut however the Coen ores wait never matched up with the great mogul. According to record the last known weight of the Great Mogul was two hundred. Eighty three carrots but when the Cohen nor made it to England it was only one hundred eighty seven carrots. Some historians believe that. This is because jean-baptiste have rene may have recorded an inaccurate weighed when he wrote about the great mogul in his report. Interesting putting the Kohinoor aside for a moment there's another name another identity that the great mogul could have assumed it's time to hear the story of the Orlov diamond which ended up in the hands of Russian. Empress Catherine the great in seventeen sixty eight. This story is steeped much more in mystery legend and criminal intrigue and it begins in the temple of wrong in southern India. It's unclear how this legend originated but it's closely tied with the Orlov inside a temple. Dating back to the mid seventeenth century stands a statue of the Deity. Lord Ranga Nafa. His eyes were composed of two stunning diamonds. In the mid eighteenth century several countries were competing for territory in India in what is known as the Karnad wars during this time. A French soldier abandoned his post and deserted his unit going under the radar. He found a job near the town of three wrong as he worked. He listened to the locals. Speak of the temple and the idol. -taining the precious jewels. This Frenchman's desire was sparked any knew he had to steal the diamonds. But this would be a most impossible mission. Why because only Hindus were allowed in the temple and the statue remained in a sacred space several enclosures deep so the Frenchman converted to Hinduism and gain the trust of several priests. Who worked in the temple? Eventually he gained access inside and as he continued to prove his devotion he was given the task of Guardian to the Central Shrine. Not long after he began serving. They're a storm struck the land and the Frenchman found himself alone inside the temple. He saw his window of opportunity. He approached the statue stared up at the gleaming. Diamond is and began to pry one from. It's socket until it came free after this. He must have gotten scared because instead of prying out the other diamond. The Frenchman fled. He climbed the temple. Walls managed to swim across a river and navigated the nearby jungles until he reached the city of Madras there. He quickly sold the diamond to a British Sea. Captain for much less than it was worth probably so he could get out of the area quickly with some money in his pocket and maybe he was afraid of possible curse. It was rumored to carry after that. The diamond was sold several times by different merchants until it was purchased by a man named Shaw Friis. He was an Armenian diamond dealer. Living in Amsterdam the year was seventeen. Sixty eight twenty one years after the great mogul disappeared following the deer. Shah's assassination count Gregory Gregoria. Vich Orlov bought the diamond from SCHAAF. Ross in Amsterdam like the Frenchman or love to was on a mission but instead of stealing a jewel he was looking to steal back a heart. The heart of Catherine the great born in Prussia in seventeen twenty nine and originally called Sophie Catherine was the daughter of a German prince who didn't have much money to his name but what he lacked in funds he hadn't connections and Catherine was married off to Peter the third of the Romanov dynasty in Seventeen forty-five hardly match made in heaven. The two couldn't stand each other. Peter inherited the throne in seventeen sixty two but he was strongly disliked by his people including his wife who decided to take a lover Count Orlov. They began an affair and with the help of a secret group of conspirators planned the assassination of her husband. Peter once the assassination was carried out in seventeen sixty two catherine became empress. The throne was hers. It was a new horizon involving new responsibilities and new desires or loft became a thing of the past for her. She had her eyes set on new suitors. Orlov was crushed. He was determined to win Catherine back. And that's what led him to the jeweler named shoppers. Who showed him? The stunning rose cut diamond. He bought it immediately and had it sent to Catherine while she accepted the diamond with much delight. She didn't rekindle her romance with. Olaf but she did shower him with lavish gifts as she did all her lovers. That was the end of their story. But not the end of the diamonds it was placed in the imperial sceptre. A metal rod wielded by the person in power the diamond remains in the sceptre which is displayed in the diamond. Find in the Kremlin Museum in Russia. Now there are a number of reasons why some historians have claimed this diamond. Could be the great mogul I is the striking similarity between the ARL off and the drawing done by Bob. Tease Tavernier back in sixteen sixty five. Both diamonds have the same half egg shape. Both arose cut stones with similar facets and their collaring both diamonds are described as white with a hint of the slightest blue. But there's a specific detail that seems to really intrigued. Historians Tavernier wrote about it saying there was a slight crack and flaw at the bottom of the great mogul. They're also happens to be a slight indentation at the base of the Orlov. That could be this very flaw. The weight of the Orlov is about one hundred and ninety carrots slightly more than the Kohinoor was when it first came to England however neither diamond matches the supposed weight of the great mogul various jewel experts and historians have debated whether the great mogul might have taken on a new identity following the chaos of war yet. There's another theory that has been tossed around that. The Great Mogul Wisconsin to several smaller pieces and all those pieces went their separate ways. While this is possible it seems as though whoever came into possession of the great mogul would want to preserve its grandiosity to maintain its value. Which leaves us with the likely scenario that the great mogul adopted a new name and is hiding in plain sight. The question is which name did it take? I think it makes the most sense that the great mogul became the Kohinoor. Nadir's Shaw who acquired the great mogul after defeating Muhammad Shah called it the co in nor because it reminded him of a mountain of light also. When drawings were done of the Kohinoor in England it had a similar diameter. To the great mogul when drawn by Jean Baptiste. Tavernier some good points. But I have to say. I think it's a stronger possibility that it became the Orlov. I say this because of the color the Kohinoor is simply a white diamond noticeable bluish tinge the Orlov has that blue color attributed to the great mogul. The diamonds also share the unusual rose cut and the Orlov diamond closely resembles Tavernier's drawing. Well I guess we have to acknowledge that. There's no definitive answer. But I will say this. If you'll recall the great mogul dynasty supposedly carried with it occurs that its owner would face terrible misfortune if the owner was a man but any female owner would be immune to the. Kerr's and actually prosper. If we look back at the history of the Kohinoor especially the female leaders wore it we see a long line of British women surviving and Thriving Queen Victoria Queen. Alexandra Queen Mary the Queen Mother and even though she doesn't wear it the diamonds current owner Queen Elizabeth. The second is the longest reigning monarch since Queen Victoria. So if you believe the two diamonds are one and the same. You're admitting that you buy into the legend of its curse. I guess I am Yes. Well whatever the true identity of the great mogul is. Now we know the great mogul in all its brilliance. Despite its so called imperfections sparked greed it fed into human hubris. It was one of the most coveted rewards in the spoils of war. It saw many wars deaths and assassinations through it sometimes. Tragic always tense history. The great mogul diamond has probably stood witness to more than we can even imagine. Thanks for tuning in to gone. If you WANNA find more episodes or any of par casts other podcasts you can find us on apple podcast stitcher. Google play cast box tune in your favorite podcast directory. Many of you have asked us how you can help the show. If you enjoy the show the best way you can do that is to leave. A five star review. You can also tell us your theories on facebook and Instagram at podcast on twitter at podcast network or at PODCAST DOT com. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. Just because it's gone doesn't mean it can't be found gone was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler sound design by Schroeder with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. 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S8: Treasure Hunt: Confederate Gold

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S8: Treasure Hunt: Confederate Gold

"In eighteen sixty five confederate President Jefferson Davis fled with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold what happened next has been debated by historians and treasure hunters over the last one hundred and fifty years. If you enjoy this episode and WanNa Hear More. Tales of history's most mystifying. Disappearances subscribe to gone in addition to new episodes of gone every other Monday. You'll get a special mini episode on off Monday's but only on spotify until then enjoy this episode on the missing confederate gold in April of sixty five the civil war head all but ended confederate. General Robert E Lee was preparing to formally surrender the bulk of the confederate army to Ulysses S Grant Union forces were advancing into the southern states reclaiming the failed nation for the United States of America confederate president. Jefferson Davis received word that a union battalion was on route to capture the confederate capital city of Richmond. Virginia as the city burned Davis fled with the members of his cabinet. The group took with them. A massive cache of gold reportedly all that was left of the confederate treasury. The treasurer is likely valued at millions of dollars in today's currency though the exact value has been debated by historians. But what is known? Is this when Davis and the rest of his cabinet were captured in. May of eighteen. Sixty five the treasure that they had on them was seized and sent north. It never reached its destination. There are numerous rumors as to where all that treasure ended up over. The past one hundred fifty years treasure hunters and historians have looked all over the United States for the missing gold and yet after all this time the confederate gold has eluded all efforts to find it. It's a true American treasure hunt. Hi I'm molly and I'm Richard. Welcome to gone on the podcast network. 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This treasure is commonly referred to as confederate gold however this treasurer was more of a myriad of precious metals in addition to gold. The cash also included Mexican silver dollars and valuable jewelry however for consistency sake will refer to the treasure as the confederate gold for the duration of this episode treasure has become a recurring plot device in adventure novels and films. The Myth of this confederate gold has long overshadowed the real historical story in this episode. We're going to examine the historical events that led Jefferson Davis to flee Richmond with the treasurer on that fateful night in eighteen sixty five then will examine the most likely theories as to where the treasurer ended up as is the case with most missing treasure. There are dozens of reported locations where the gold is suspected to have been hidden for this episode. We're looking at the possibilities. That are most supported by historical facts. The first theory is that the bulk of the treasure was stolen by outlaws most likely deserters from the confederate army who buried the gold somewhere in the southern United States. The second theory is that the gold was actually stolen by union troops who were tasked with transporting it back to Washington D. C. Instead the soldiers smuggled the gold north all the way to Lake Michigan where it sunk and still remains to this day. Our third theory is that there is no hidden treasure. The legend grew out of rumors and hearsay surrounding the end of the confederacy. And that story has persisted to this day. Thanks to conspiracy theories and sensationalism given the hindsight of history. It can be easy to forget. How complicated the civil war actually was. It's not a stretch to say that the confederate states of America were doomed from the start. It's probably a good thing that seceding from the United States to form a separate nation is hard to do. Even after the southern states seceded the remaining United States where a military and economic force to be reckoned with there were a number of issues that led to the civil war including economics states rights against the Federal Government and the enmity between the northern and southern states. Just to name a few but the single main causes of the war was slavery there were only thirty three ratified states in eighteen sixty as the United States spread across the Western frontier the US Congress ran into a problem. Abolition Ism the Movement to abolish slavery had been present in America. Since the country was founded in seventeen seventy six for the entirety of the country's history. The southern states had effectively banded together in Congress to vote down any movement to end slavery on a national level but the southern leaders couldn't stop individual states from ending slavery within their own borders every new state that entered the union. Got To choose whether it would be a free state or a slave state by the eighteen. Forty s there was a chance. That the anti-slavery congressman might outnumber the pro slavery ones. If that happened the south might not have been able to stop national abolition of slavery. The South responded by forcing protection measures including legislation which stated that for every Free State admitted to the Union AH CORRESPONDING SLAVE. State must also be admitted so that the balance was maintained but by eighteen sixty compromise between the two sides seemed like an impossible dream with the eighteen sixty election. It was becoming painfully clear that the issue of slavery was not going to go away peacefully. Although Abraham Lincoln did not seek to abolish slavery in the south as part of his political platform he did want to restrict it spread to states and the southern leadership made it clear that they would vote to secede if Lincoln was elected. The question of secession was complicated at face value. A single state breaking free of the United States was illegal and unconstitutional however considering that the original thirteen colonies broke free from Britain to rebel against an oppressive regime. The southern states felt that they were just honoring history. Lincoln was elected and the southern states led by south. Carolina voted to secede beginning in December of eighteen sixty by March of eighteen sixty one South Carolina Mississippi Florida Georgia Louisiana Texas and Alabama officially formed the confederate states of America. The war officially began with the battle of Fort Sumter on April twelfth. Eighteen sixty one. The first of many vital tasks for the new nation was to establish leadership shortly after the formation of the confederacy former Mississippi. Senator Jefferson Davis was elected as the country's first president he would also be the nation's only President Davis was a popular choice in eighteen. Sixty one because of this pro slavery politics and his stance on states rights however his appointment would ultimately do more harm than good his blunders particularly in the matters of military and economic decisions would contribute to the confederacies downfall. That isn't to say that. The rogue nations quick demise was entirely Davis's fault. The reality is that there no realistic chance. The confederacy would win. The war in a head-on military battle war is expensive and complicated. Especially when you're also trying to establish a new country. The confederacy simply lacked the necessary manpower leadership and Finances to combat the more organized union forces before the confederacy was even one year. Old Davis was forced to declare martial law and enforce a draft of all able bodied men to fight in the war though the confederacy boasted. Some of the more accomplished military officers in the United States at the time it was lacking for infantrymen the confederate government was no more organized given that the rogue nation was formed in large part because state leaders didn't want to submit to a federal government. Davis had trouble commanding his own cabinet. This is significant mostly because it meant that the confederacy never got its finances into decent shape. Previously the southern states had largely relied on farming and the production of raw resources like cotton as a benchmark of their economy. These resources had to be sent north where the factories were in order to be turned into useful materials. Since the south was now at war with the north they no longer had access to the industrial facilities that were required to produce weapons and war supplies from the outset. The confederacy was outgunned. Additionally they had few options for trading most nations didn't recognize the legitimacy of the confederacy and thus the newly established confederate currency was useless. Almost everywhere as such. The confederacy did everything. It could to consolidate more universal currency such as gold and silver in the later years of the war. The confederate government even confiscated jewelry and other valuables in order to combat. It's growing financial crisis. This was all held in the confederate capital city of Richmond. Virginia all of these efforts to bolster the confederate states of America were futile as we said. The southern states had little chance against the more organized well supplied union army. This is where the confederacy was in eighteen. Sixty five outmanned poorly supplied and in possession of a rapidly dwindling supply of money as union forces scored victory after victory. Jefferson Davis WAS ATTENDING CHURCH ON APRIL. Second eighteen sixty five when he received word from General Robert E Lee. The message was simple. Richmond must be evacuated in the confederate government must flee if the nation was to survive the night. Davis ordered confederate troops to set Richmond. Ablaze said that the Advancing Union army would not be able to make use of any supplies. They found within the city then. He ordered the full contents of the treasury loaded onto train cars in preparation for departure. We should state here. That the exact amount and value of this treasure has long been disputed. Impossible to confirm since the treasure has yet to be found but the general account states that the bulk of the treasure consisted of gold silver and bullion valued at around five hundred thousand dollars. Additionally there were millions of dollars in confederate currency. Though as we've said it was generally useless. Finally the troops loaded up the seized assets from a number of Richmond's private banks which added another four hundred and fifty thousand dollars value. The treasure was split up a number of times during the journey and we can't account for every individual crater barrel that might have been misplaced by confederate soldiers. But we can track the journey of the bulk of the goal to appoint Jefferson's initial plan had been to flee south and use the funds from the treasurer to establish a new base to continue the war effort however the plan quickly unravelled. The convoy reached the end of the train. Line in Danville Virginia. The party was forced to carry what they could on horseback before. The treasure had been consolidated to a single train car but now it was being spread out among the numerous men horses and mules. Additionally the soldiers with Jefferson were growing restless. They hadn't been paid and as a union. Victory seemed more and more inevitable. They started to grumble about whether what they were doing was really worth it. The confederate leaders were forced to use part of the treasure to pay for their own military detail. Jefferson eventually split the treasure up the money. Taken from the Richmond banks was placed in a vault in the city. The rest of the Treasury money was assigned to confederate secretary of war John Breckenridge most of the confederate cabinet was captured in the city of Washington. Georgia in May of eighteen sixty five Davis was captured just days later. Union soldiers recovered the Richmond Bank money but the rest of the treasurer was missing. There are two main reasons that it's so difficult to track what happened to all of this treasure. The first is that the treasure was large but easily split up into small containers. The treasure dwindled and fractured moves south. And thus it became harder and harder to track where every single cent ended up the second more concrete. Reason is that there's not a lot of hard documentation from this particular period in early May of eighteen sixty five. The confederate cabinet burned most of their government documents which included treasury slips. The goal in doing this was to prevent union troops from finding out about the treasure. The Jefferson Davis had sent away. Unfortunately it also makes it hard for modern historians to find out what really happened to the mounds of gold. That for all we know could still be out there somewhere waiting to be discovered. We'll dive into the main theories as to what happened to the confederate gold. Right after this now back to the story in eighteen sixty five a large sum of gold and precious. Metals was sent south from Richmond Virginia in an effort to preserve the confederate states of America when the caravan was captured along with most of the confederate cabinet. A large chunk of the gold was missing. One thing to note about our first. Two theories is that they're not mutually exclusive. Since we know the treasure was likely split up among various parties. It's possible that what remains of the gold is in separate locations across the United States. Recall that the treasure which set out from Richmond Virginia was made of two distinct sums the approximately five hundred thousand dollars of gold silver and jewelry and an additional four hundred and fifty thousand dollars in gold and silver coins seized from the private banks of Richmond. This may surprise you when most people discuss confederate gold. They're actually referring to the money from the Richmond banks. We'll discuss the fate of the actual confederate treasure soon. But our first theory contends that a large sum of the treasure was buried somewhere in Georgia by robbers who stole the gold from the Union Forces. That were returning north. Here's what we do now. As far as our first theory is concerned on May Fourth Eighteen Sixty Five Jefferson Davis signed the order that officially dissolved the confederate states of America. The next day union troops captured the city and the gold and silver from the Richmond. Banks are there was some debate among the union leaders as to what to do with the four hundred fifty thousand taken from the Richmond Banks. The owners of the banks had been complicit with the confederacy after all ultimately the decision was made that the money should be returned on. May Twenty four th eighteen sixty five a small contingent of union soldiers guiding five wagons loaded with bank assets departed Georgia for Richmond. If you've ever seen a western movie you can guess what happened next. The Caravan was hit in the middle of the night. Eight by a gang of robbers more likely than not had been informed of the treasure. The thieves made off with everything they could carry over two hundred ninety thousand dollars worth of treasure in all the remaining funds did make it to Richmond but the now ex confederate leaders there were in about to let some deserters make off like bandits. The money from the Richmond banks would prove useful to the southern reconstruction so General Edward Alexander put together a posse and went after the thieves when all was said and done. Dozens of men were dead and Alexander's outfit had recovered about one hundred and ten thousand dollars leaving one hundred eighty thousands still unaccounted for that money. Which would amount to over three million dollars today has never been found? American forces made efforts during the reconstruction to recover the stolen funds. But nothing ever came of them. What's most likely is that? The thieves spent the remainder of the stolen gold in such a way. That didn't draw attention. The southern United States was in bad shape following the civil war so it's entirely plausible. That the men just kept their heads down and spend a little bit at a time until the loot was all gone however cultural interests into gold has led to additional theories that while not exactly likely due. Warrants examination is the best example of this is the nineteen seventy five book. Snow White Sands by Martha Meisel Puckett. The book is a history of Georgia through the civil war and one of its most notable chapters concerns the missing confederate Gold Puckett points to the case of Sylvester Mumford. A wealthy Georgia merchant who allegedly was present at Jefferson Davis final cabinet meeting Mumford. A die hard confederate loyalist had been part of the plan to rob the Union Caravan and retake the Richmond Bank funds after recovering. The money Mumford. Put it to work. Georgia was a farming state and much of its fertile farmland had been destroyed by union forces during the war. Mumford use the stolen treasure to order vast amounts of corn seed from South America in order to help restart Georgia's farming economy when Mumford died. His daughter used her large inheritance to open an orphanage and provide scholarships for children in need much of the evidence of Mumford involvement in the story. Is that by all accounts. His own plantations had been destroyed during the war and few historians can account for his maintained wealth during and after the conflict. That said. There's not much here in terms of hard proof. Besides the notable coincidence Mumford could be the embodiment of the theory but the goal simply never left Georgia. And that's entirely possible. But according to our second theory the gold did make it out of the south to the northernmost reaches of the United States. Our second theory concerns. What is likely the most popular belief regarding the missing confederate gold? It states that a big part of the treasure was smuggled to Michigan. While crossing Lake Michigan into Canada a boxcar containing the treasure was dropped. Overboard and the gold is still at the bottom of the lake. The legend of the missing confederate gold has seen a resurgence of public interest. In recent years this is largely due to a documentary series that aired on the history channel in early two thousand eighteen it was titled. The curse of the civil war gold and it follows Mardi Laguna and his team search for confederate gold at the bottom of Lake Michigan. So how on Earth could confederate gold. Make It from Georgia to Michigan without anyone. Knowing about it we call that union troops were tasked with transporting the Richmond Bank funds. Back North to Richmond. According to this story there was more than one northern outfit tasked with transporting the captured money the documentary series states that this gold was taken from Jefferson when he was captured on May tenth eighteen. Sixty five as we've said it's hard to keep track of the differing amounts of money that the confederacy made off with while we have a general guess as to how much money made up the initial amount of treasure. It's entirely possible that the numbers were fabricated in order to hide some of the treasure or saying that in any theory it's nearly impossible to state. How much treasure there actually was or where it came from but this particular theory maintains that a group of union soldiers all from Michigan found a cache of confederate gold among Jefferson Davis's personal effects and conspired to smuggle north to keep for themselves. The men were attempting to move the gold. In a boxcar across Lake Michigan to smuggle into Canada. The weather was bad. The crew were forced to dump the boxcar overboard in order to save the ship from sinking. That treasure has remained at the bottom of Lake Michigan. Ever since a number of recent find seemed to help corroborate this story. The first confirmation is a deathbed confession made to the grandfather of one. Kevin Dykstra a treasure hunter featured in the history channel. Docu series the confession came from George Alexander. Abbott a housekeeper. Who In one thousand nine hundred twenty? One admitted to being one of the Union soldiers who stole the gold and smuggled it to Michigan. He stated that the gold was lost Lake Michigan. And it still there. The words of one man almost a hundred years ago might not seem like much to go on but as the story was passed down it started to generate interest in Lake Michigan as a potential site missing treasurer ultimately the documentary series doesn't end with the discovery of the long lost gold. If the Treasury really is down there it makes for a fantastic story. But there's a few notable discrepancies in this theory. The curse of the civil war gold claims that the treasure hidden at the bottom of Lake Michigan was approximately two million in gold. Bullion or bars. This would make the Lake Michigan treasure by far the largest amount of gold to be associated with the confederate treasure. That left Richmond the counts. We've read put the confederate gold at around five hundred thousand dollars plus the additional four hundred and fifty thousand in Richmond Bank funds. So for this theory to be true it would mean that the single amount stolen by the Michigan Union troops was worth double that of the entire rest of the total treasure. This account is further contradicted by numerous sources. St Jefferson Davis took only thirty five thousand dollars worth of gold for himself when he fled Georgia. Still Jefferson Davis was not a good person. It's certainly possible. He withheld a huge sum of treasure for himself before he abandoned his cabinet and his army to save his own life. As we've said there are enough discrepancies in this story to make any claim as to the real value of treasure dubious at best given that. There's not much else in terms of proof that the gold ever made it to Michigan. We have to say this theory warrants a little more skepticism. Still if we've learned anything from our look into the subject. It's that the treasure could be almost anywhere. But what if it's nowhere as in? What if the legend of this confederate gold has only grown so large? Because it's covering up the truth. The treasure was lost long ago. Coming up we'll cover that very idea in our next theory now. Back to the story in eighteen sixty five. A cache of confederate treasure was lost amidst the chaos at the end of the civil war. The location of the treasure has been theorized to be everywhere from buried in Georgia. To the bottom of lake. Michigan stories of missing treasure tend to stick with us. Because there's always a chance someone could still find it if it still exists. Our third and most anticlimactic theory is that there is no treasure what remained of the confederate. Treasury was quickly spent away in the weeks and months following the war and only legends and fictionalized accounts have kept the myth of the confederate gold alive for this long. The challenge of locating the treasure has always been wrapped up in the value of the treasure. That was taken from Richmond in eighteen. Sixty five the most thorough sources put the number at around five hundred thousand in gold and precious metals. Though there long has been speculation that the real value of the treasure was much higher. The union government actually helped perpetuate this rumor northern leaders likely hadn't realized how dire the financial situation of the confederacy was in eighteen. Sixty five as union forces began capturing more and more confederate strongholds. The Union leadership started to put the word out about the missing funds from the confederate treasury. The Union soldiers were not finding much gold when they captured fortresses and they didn't believe that was all there was. It seemed to them that the confederacy was hiding large sums of money. The real value of the confederate Treasury was likely on the smaller side. For All the reasons we've mentioned the confederacy had been hemorrhaging money in its efforts to raise an army strong enough to fight off the north if we accept that the confederate leadership really was only carrying five hundred thousand and personal assets when they fled. Richmond in April of eighteen. Sixty five it actually becomes a little simpler to figure out what happened right from the start. There's a recorded loss. We know that Jefferson Davis fled with his party and the treasurer on April second eighteen sixty five however on April sixth. A man named Walter. Phil made a tally of the treasure and came up nearly two hundred thousand dollars short. The reason for the discrepancy was due to fifty barrels of Mexican silver coins. Valued at four thousand dollars apiece. These barrels seemed to have vanished at some point between April. Second when the Treasury left Richmond and the April sixth tally. It's unknown why the barrels were separated from the rest of the treasure and speculation exists to this day that the silver is buried. Somewhere in Danville. Virginia where Phil Brooke made the tally. It's also possible that the silver was tallied in Richmond but never made it onto the initial train out of town. Historians generally agree that the silver was intended to pay the soldiers in general. Lee's army which at that time had been set to catch up with Davis and the rest of the confederate leaders. It could have been left behind in Danville for Lee to recover on his march. If so the silver would have likely been confiscated by union troops so already. The value of the confederate treasure is down from five hundred thousand to just over three hundred thousand in four days as the fall of the confederacy became more and more evident soldiers in the confederate army. Were left wondering what they were still fighting for to that end. It was vital that the confederate leadership keep their men paid to avoid mutiny on April. Seventh as the convoy passed through carrier. Mina there's a record of thirty nine thousand dollar payment to one General Johnson and his men. This battalion had not surrendered and would likely be needed to blockade any union forces pursuing Davis. It was not money. Well spent Johnson and his men surrendered just over two weeks later so now of that original some five hundred thousand Davis had less than three hundred thousand and we've only covered the major deductions the treasury. Money would have been called upon to pay for food and transportation for the entire group as it continued. Its journey south. It took nearly a month for the party to reach its destination Washington Georgia. They're the confederate leadership was faced with the growing problem of troop dissatisfaction. The men had been marching for weeks and too many of them. The writing was on the wall they knew would not be paid. If the remainder of the treasury money was captured by Union forces. John Breckenridge. The confederate secretary of war had no choice but to pay each of the men. Twenty six dollars for a total cost of over one hundred thousand dollars when Jefferson Davis fled. Washington he was reportedly given thirty five thousand in gold to both support himself. And if the chance came oversee a resurgent confederacy. By this point the confederacy had been dissolved and it was left to the cabinet to disperse the remainder of the treasure. After payments to some of the cabinet members and additional expenses the confederate treasure would have amounted to less than one hundred thousand dollars the rate at which the confederate treasury dwindled after. Jefferson Davis fled. Richmond is concerning and certainly raises. The possibility that the rest of the money was spent as well. The final piece of the story that confirms this particular Theory Concerns One. James a simple. According to one account Captain McKay Asia Clark was the last man to be made responsible for the confederate treasury before it was captured by the Union. Army IT WAS. Clark who oversaw the dispersal of what remained of the treasure when all the expenses were paid. Clark was left with a surplus of eighty six thousand dollars. He presented this to navy. Lieutenant James Simple Clark ordered simple to hide the money and smuggle at South to Savannah from their Clark had made arrangements for the goal to be shipped to England where it would be deposited in a bank account await the day that the confederacy would rise again. Simple was partnered with another officer. Edward Ball the two men didn't even make it halfway to Savannah in the city of Augusta. Just fifty miles from where they set off simple and tidball met up with another man William Howell. We don't know why but it was here. That simple chose to abandon the mission. Perhaps by then it was so clear that the confederacy had been defeated and would never is again. That simple and tidball didn't see the point in sending some perfectly useful gold off to rot in some English bank for Eternity tidball and how both used their cuts to start new lives for themselves and live out their days in comfort but samples actions warrant further investigation simple laid low for the next few months. He was definitely wanted by union authorities. Who By then knew he had made off with some of the treasury money. Additionally it was likely he was also being hunted by ex confederate bounty hunters after Clark learned that the money had never made it to England when simple showed up back on the radar in eighteen sixty six he had hatched a plan to potentially save the South simple aim to use his gold to push the United States into a war with Britain. He figured that the North would need the help of the southern states. In the event of such a war and thus the northern forces would be forced to concede some of the harsher conditions of reconstruction semple became involved with the Phoenicians a precursor to the Irish Republican Army. The Phoenicians aim to push the British out of Ireland and had set a basis in the United States where they could plan without fear of being captured. Simple knew that the British government was not happy that the American government was doing little to stop the Phoenix from scheming against them. The fact that the US had just concluded a civil war and was currently in the slow painful process of rebuilding itself as a nation. Didn't really register with the British simples. Plan was to use his gold to fund. The fenian movement's raising awareness across America and gaining followers if he could get enough Americans to support Irish liberation then perhaps eventually Britain would declare war on America. Then his master plan would go into effect. This plan didn't work. What a shock. Simple gave up on the FENIAN PLOT. After he had invested. Most of his gold he died in eighteen. Eighty three with little to his name. The simple story seems to confirm what became of the last of the confederate treasurer. Well as we stated. It's certainly possible that there was more treasure that left Richmond and that additional treasure did make its way to Michigan or Georgia or wherever it really seems most likely that the majority of the confederate Treasury was spent on efforts to keep the confederacy itself alive while we still can account for the one hundred eighty thousand dollars worth of Richmond Bank money stolen from union troops. It seems just as likely that the gold was quietly spent until there was nothing left. The final question then is that given all we know about what really became of the confederate treasure. Why is there still so much speculation that it's still out there? The obvious answer is the missing one hundred eighty thousand dollars that was stolen by robbers and never recovered. Furthermore there was so much gold being moved around in this time that it has always been impossible to state how much there was. Meaning no matter. How much is accounted for? There can always be more. The potential existence of the treasure carries with it a cultural importance. It's not controversial to state that many who lived in the southern United States following the civil war considered themselves to be a part of the confederate states of America even after the confederate states were retaken by the Union. The legend of the treasure shows cultural longing. A fantasy of some lost amount of gold. That might've been used to give rise to a new confederacy. Even as the civil war became a memory. The legend of the treasure persisted. This was enhanced by the Gold's prevalence in popular culture. It is appeared in comic books. Western films including the good the bad and the ugly and the Clive cussler novel Sahara which was adapted into a film of the same name. Why such a cultural obsession? Perhaps it has something to do with the promise of sudden riches. The reality of treasure hunting is that you rarely get to keep all of what you find. Most nations including the United States have laws governing. What can and can't be kept by the finder even if you do find treasure. The country of origin for that treasure can claim part or most of it as historical property but confederate. Treasure is different. There is no confederate government in existence. And thus there is no one to lay claim to any confederate gold. That might be found. It makes sense and the sheer number of questions about the treasures. Whereabouts ensure that people will still continue to search for it for some time however we believe that the third theory is the most valid the confederate. Treasury was already paltry when Jefferson Davis fled. Richmond it seems most likely that he spent what he needed to. Just keep the confederate government alive. And what was left was squandered by James Simple. It's not the most exciting conclusion but then again it's better than scouring the bottom of a leg for treasure that simply isn't there. Thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. You can find more episodes of gone as well as all of parkhouse other podcasts on Apple podcasts spotify stitcher. Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help us is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network will see you. Next time gone was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler sound design by Paul Liebskind with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. 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Pete Rose Pt. 1: Charlie Hustle

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Pete Rose Pt. 1: Charlie Hustle

"On April Thirteenth Nineteen Sixty three twenty one year old Cincinnati reds rookie. Pete rose stepped up to to the plate standing across from him on the pitcher's mound was Pittsburgh pirates ace Bob Friend better known as the warrior he ate scrubs like Pete rose for breakfast friend wound up and let loose a heat seeking missile of a pitch just as he had planned the ball zipped and sank is it hurled towards home plate but pete saw the whole way friend end watched in disbelief as the ball soared over his head landing deep between the center and left fielders even though he wasn't a fleetest elitist foot would have easily coasted into a double instead without a moment's hesitation he rounded second running owning full tilt for a triple while Pete sprinted with everything he had the outfielder threw the ball to third base with laser like accuracy in a desperate heave. Pete's threw himself forward sliding into the bag in a spray of dirt his helmet flying off his head as as the dust cleared Pete looked up the third baseman had the ball solidly in his glove. The empire brought his hands into his chest asked then shot them horizontally from his side's safe. Pete broke into a smile. He had done it his his first career hit. By the time he retired there would be four thousand two hundred fifty five more earning pete rose the title of the hit king his ability at the plate paved his legacy as one of the sport's greatest heroes and his obsession with gambling would make him one of its greatest villains and welcome to sports criminals park cast original every week we dive into the dark side of sports history jury and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all of their par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter quitter and podcast network welcome to the first of our two episodes on Pete Rose Baseball's all time leader in hits. He's he's also on Major League Baseball's in eligible list for gambling on baseball games including his own that means he's barred hard from any professional association with the MLB can't be inducted into the baseball hall of fame this week we'll dive into. Pete Rose's rise from unheralded cross backed the hometown hero also examined the beginnings of his entry into the dark world of underground beddings thanks and how it impacted his personal and professional life next week we'll follow. Pete's continued obsession with gambling and find out about how it landed him on the M. L. Bees in eligible list as far as athletes go every once in a while there comes along star that has no real discernible talent that is they do not excel in any clear way. They aren't the fastest don't display incredible smarts or instinct for the game. They're relatively under sized in often overlooked by professional all scouts but they have something about them. The swagger unabashed confidence and infectious and motivating drive. Have that pushes them past the competition. Pete Rose was the poster boy for this type of athlete at five eleven two hundred pounds stocky but not incredibly strong he swung the bat with a tight quick swing almost as though he was trying to slap the ball more than slug it it was known for his unceasing motor his relentless bass running his charging sacrificial style every sport has these players players these so-called Hustle guys they remind children and aspirational amateurs alike. You don't need the special ingredients of genetic lottery. Sometimes success is very much just hard work but rarely do. We count these type of players as the best. I ever play their game. Pete Rose was an exception to this rule. He rode the wave of his dedication to one one of the greatest individual careers baseball has ever seen raking seemingly unbreakable records winning multiple championships and MVP and making an incredible seventeen all star appearances with such a track record. It seemed inevitable that he would make baseball's hall of fame but Pete Rose wasn't just reckless in bullheaded on the field he had a hidden side to his personality body that would forever prevent him from getting baseball's greatest award. Peter Edward Rose Rose was born on April fourteenth nineteen forty one in Cincinnati. He's working class. Anderson Ferry neighborhood. His Father Harry was was a skilled semi pro football player and his mother Laverne had been talented high school softball player as well. Pete and Harry's relationship ship was special and informed much of who he later became Harry was an emblem of discipline every day in full work attire fire for his job as a bank teller leather shoes starched button-down shirt and uncomfortable slacks hairy would sprint up the hill leading adding to his house. If his football team lost over the weekend he would do it twice. Pete Watch this dedication and learned from a young age that desire heart and commitment could propel you forward in unexpected ways as a teenager rose was lightweight and undersized is but what he lacked in physical abilities he made up for with endless desire and boundless hustle rose was a star athlete late at Western hills high school playing both varsity football and baseball. He was known for his hard charging relentless style but those weren't the only qualities Harry hit instilled in his son even though he taught his son to never drink a drop of alcohol into I always get a good night's sleep. The elder rose was an avid gambler on the weekends. Harry liked to bet on horses is at the river downs race track. It wasn't unusual for Pete even when he was a young child to be. Intel that was life from the Anderson Ferry neighborhood. Pete loved going to the races with his dad he was fascinated by the analytical side of betting sure or luck played a big part but he also saw how when Harry took the time to really comb through the form guide he could emerge victorious more more often than not. There was nothing quite like watching the Horse Harry had picked crossed the line in first place the thrill of victory it was sweet indeed but not as sweet as the thrill of payout whenever Harry one big he would treat his son to an extravagant meal at their favorite restaurant. Pete loved the satisfaction of knowing Harry's careful strategy had helped them come out on top just like his athletic career. Pete saw how putting in the extra work at the race track could lead to significant reward that hard work translated slated to Pete's performances on the baseball field. He wasn't the strongest. He wasn't the fastest but he was relentless. It wasn't sexy but he thrived as the man to push his limits. He was also a natural leader. Pete's relentless intensity rubbed off on his his teammates inspired them to work harder run faster care a little more he truly embodied the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote that served as Western turnhill highs slogan. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm. Unfortunately enthusiasm awesome alone wasn't enough to get someone into the big leagues when Nineteen Year Old Pete graduated from High School in Nineteen sixty pro scouts didn't. I didn't think he had the physical tools to make it in the majors. College Ball wasn't in the cards. Either Pete wasn't exactly a gifted student. Luckily he had another option. The minor leagues at the time. Pete's Uncle Buddy was doing some scouting for Cincinnati's major league baseball team the reds after Pete went undrafted buddy convinced Cincinnati's upper management to give his nephew a minor minor league contract. It was a low risk high reward move. If Pete's physical development took the next step he could become a valuable player as well as a box office draw. Nothing resonated with fans more than a local kid making good after all and if Pete failed it was no big deal he was a no name prospect from Anderson Ferry not a high profile rookie who was expected to become the face of the franchise pete sign the contract with no hesitation even though he was getting sent to the Geneva red legs in the Class D New York Penn League. Although it was pro ball it was just about as far from the major leagues as a player Cadet. It's hard to know exactly how much he was making but chances are pete was barely early making a living in the minors today. A Minor League baseball players average starting salary is twelve hundred dollars per month in his his day. Pete was making tiny fraction of that and while there was a pot of gold waiting at the end of the proverbial rainbow. There was no guarantee not pete would make it. They're on generally only ten percent of all minor leaguers. Make it to the major league but the long hard hard road ahead of Pete didn't bother him. Keep your head down and surged forward. It was what his father taught him. It was the code that would bring him. Mm to the Big Leagues Pete's bet on himself paid off after three seasons in the minors. He got the call he had been dreaming of. Since he was a kid. The reds wanted him to join them for spring training ahead of the nineteen sixty three season but being part of spring training leaning wasn't the same as making the final twenty eight man roster although Pete had come a long way some of the reds coaches still had their doubts he was still slow and he had a hitch in his swing is pete was going to make the cut he'd have to prove his worth in the only way he knew how with unrelenting hustle the. May Have only been meaningless preseason games in February and March but p treated spring training training Mike it was the world series after one particularly memorable performance against the New York Yankees Superstars Whitey Ford in Mickey Mantle. We're discussing how pete had caught their eye. They called him Charlie Hustle stories vary on what exactly earned him the nickname some say it was because Pete had sprinted to first base after earning walk others say it was because he made appoint. Lewis attempts to feel the home run from mantle that was already soaring over the stand on whatever the reason was the moniker stuck and in April. It was official. Charlie Hustle had made the opening day roster and with that spot came a seventy five hundred dollar contract in today's money. That's about sixty four thousand dollars. It wasn't a fortune by any means. The average baseball salary in two two thousand nine hundred nineteen is four point three six million dollars. The Pete Wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. What's more his time. At the riverfront downs downs had taught him how he could make a little bet. Go a long long way things happen fast after that nineteen sixty three call up on April eighth nineteen sixty three. Pete Rose made his Major League Baseball debut wearing number fourteen. He drew a walk in his first at Bat on April thirteenth. One day before his twenty second birthday day. Pete got his first hit a triple off of Pittsburgh pirates pitcher Bob Friend he was just cracking the surface of his potential both the sporting world and in his personal life around the time of his Major League debut. Pete also endeared himself to someone else. The young woman named Carolyn Engelhard in the early part of the sixty three season pete was at the river downs horse track when he spied Caroline Arlen through his binoculars immediately smitten he got a mutual friend to make the introduction however pete soon proved that his reckless abandon I and didn't end on the field that summer caroline called Pete's hotel room while he was on a road trip. Jim Jim Coates Pete's roommate picked up when caroline asked if Pete was around coats paused for a moment just a second. He said he'd have to check back. It was an odd and slightly unsettling response. Hotel Room was only so big a few seconds later coats is told her that in fact Pete was not around but after a few minutes went by Pete called Caroline back. He was annoyed he he told her in his stubborn and forward manner that by calling she had messed up his chances with another girl he had brought to the room. Oh for most people the the relationship would have ended right then and there but caroline wasn't most people she understood that many pro athletes married or not enjoyed the company of women while they were on the road. What mattered was that. He came home to her and only her and as long as he was honest about what he was doing. During road trips she could live with it. The arrangement worked just fine for Pete shortly. After the end of the nineteen sixty three season he and caroline got married. It was a celebration nation of just how fast things were moving for. Pete rose. I got married then he zipped over to the Cincinnati baseball writers. There's awards to accept the honor for rookie of the year then it was right back to the reception to embrace his new bride like he was smoothly sliding in for triple. All of a sudden rose had gone from unknown prospect to rookie sensation and things were only looking up from there air by his third season in nineteen sixty five pete had become one of the League's best players that year the twenty four year old second baseman hit a three twelve batting average sixty six points above the league average of two forty six he also led the entire league with a whopping in two hundred nine hits during that nineteen sixty five season pete was named an all star for the first time it it was also the first time his gambling habits got him in trouble and it wouldn't be the last coming up a terrible tragedy causes. Pete to lose his moral compass and now back to the story as the nineteen sixty five baseball season transitioned into the summer twenty four year old. Pete Rose was flying high he he had recently been selected for his first all star game but around the time it was slated to take place everything almost came crashing down in July nineteen sixty five pete was arrested for running a red light in Newport Kentucky at four twenty five live in the morning located across the Ohio River from Cincinnati Newport was notorious for its underground gambling dens and the legality are you betting particularly when it comes to sports is murky in nineteen sixty five it was only legal in Kentucky and Ohio Oh to bet on horse races and it had to be done at an official venue like a racing track to bet on any other sport you would need to get in touch etched with an unofficial book maker or bookie. Usually bookies worked for a larger organization more often than not what was tied to organized crime the night he was pulled over. Pete was probably coming back from visiting a bookie but but the police officer who pulled him over didn't care if Pete was gambling. He cared that Pete had endangered others with his reckless driving. It didn't matter how good of a baseball player he was or even that it was a relatively minor offence pete was going to spend a few hours in jail. He paid bail with a one hundred dollars bill he had in his front pocket his red light ticket and associated fees put him back another thirteen dollars hours and fifty cents all told it wasn't a lot for. Pete who was poised to sign a twenty five thousand dollar contract for the next year worth about two hundred with thousand dollars today however peat feared his brush with the law would cost him much more than that according to the book Pete Rose Rose and American dilemma. He remarked the judge. This is going to cost me eighteen thousand booze and a five hundred dollar fine for being out past curfew but when he took to the field for that day's Game Cincinnati's Crossley Field Pete wasn't serenaded by the bluebirds stead he was greeted with a standing ovation and gifted a brand new TV set for being the reds top vote getter for the All Star game as Pete stood there soaking in the fans adulation one thing was clear as long as does he performed well at the ballpark. He was untouchable. A star above consequence with each passing season Pete racked up more accolades. After his breakout nineteen sixty five season he would go on to have a batting average over over three hundred for the next nine seasons. It was nowhere near tycoons record of twenty three straight seasons batting three hundred or better but it was still a hall of fame worthy feet nineteen sixty nine was maybe. Pete's finest year he led the MLB with three three forty eight batting average with two hundred eighteen hits that year he finished second in MVP voting and won the Golden Glove honor honor awarded to the best fielder at each respective position and while he kept his nose clean regarding the law. Pete's gambling soared to new heights heights you would place bets on anything and everything going after Russian hustle he employed night after night on the Diamond Pete Bat on on everything he put money down when he and his teammates would play pool in town and even once teammate on who would be the first one to use the bathroom author when the Reds New Stadium opened in the nineteen seventy season. It's important to note that betting itself wasn't outlawed within the MLB MLB was part and parcel of the clubhouse culture away for teammates to connect and participate in shared experiences but gambling on baseball aw was an entirely different matter ever since a nineteen nineteen scandal in which players from the Chicago White SOx conspired to throw the world series the MLB had a sour taste in its mouth gambling had almost effectively ended the sport. What's worse. If a player is betting on his or her team they are affecting the outcome of the game changing the rules before the first whistle this this is sacrilege in the sports universe but nowhere more than on the baseball diamond even if a player got caught placing bets on games not plot involving his own team he faced a lifetime ban for the moment pete wasn't putting any money down on baseball games or if he was nobody ever found out about it and no one thought to look too deeply as he continued to play top tier baseball into the next decade eh one of his most iconic moments and one of the most iconic moments in baseball history came during the nineteen seventy all star game name held in the Reds Own Stadium while the game was just an exhibition and didn't count for for anything other than pride those involved took it extremely seriously for the past seven editions. The National League all stars had bested rested their opponents from the American league with the game being held on the reds home. Turf Pete was desperate to keep that streak going it was one of the most exciting all star. Games in recent memory going into the bottom of the ninth. Pete's National League team was down for one they managed to mount a comeback and although the inning ended with Pete striking out he didn't care by then the team had nodded up the game at four to four they were going into extra innings. The tenth inning passed without a score for either team same with the eleventh by the time. Pete got back up to bat during the bottom of the twelfth there were two outs and no men on base a thirteenth inning seemed inevitable but not to Pete Rose First Pitch Ball one second pitch ball to up to go with a hitters. This count rose took a cut of third pitch and punched a soft single into the outfield. The next batter up hit a single as well moving beat up to second the crowd buzzed with anticipation has another batter. Jim Hickman of the Chicago cubs stepped up to the plate. Hickman took a cut and slap a soft line drive out to center field. Pete took off like a bat out of hell he never even considered stopping at third base playing it safe just wasn't NPR's DNA as he turned the corner towards home plate. The crowd roared all fifty fifty one thousand eight hundred thirty eight of the people in attendance rising to their feet at once there was still one thing standing between Pete and a Glorious Victory American League Catcher Ray Fosse he stood sentinel over home plate glove outstretched ratched the center fielder hurled the ball towards Fossey as Pete barrel down the third base line. It was going to be close to close for arose gritting. His teeth Pete lowered his shoulder. He charged into Fossey at the same moment. The ball came into the catcher's. Mitt the force of the the collision knocked Fosse to the ground in a heap the ball flying from his glove as Fossey lay on the ground writhing in pain. Pete scrambled to touch home base. Although it was a physical play the umpire ruled fair. Pete had won the game but it came at a cost Ray Fosse at separated and fractured his shoulder rose was explain it away by simply saying there was no place to slide the collision play went down as one of the most memorable in the history of the the All Star game also unofficially sanctioned the home base collision play as a part of baseball runners continued to use the play. Hey to breakthrough. Catchers standing in the base path until catchers were outlawed from blocking the plate in two thousand fourteen four safety reasons following. Pete's triumphant moment in the nineteen seventy all star game he helped lead the reds to their first appearance in the world series is in nine years although they lost to the Pittsburgh pirates in five games this season as a whole had been a triumph for Pete individually he finished seventh in MVP voting and won. Another golden glove a few days after the season ended. Pete brought his father hairy a with him to a charity basketball game at a local Cincinnati high school as the capacity crowd filed in to get a look at their hometown hero hairy noticed. There were markings on the floor for a forty yard dash. A mischievous glint appeared in the elder roses is he strolled over over to where Pete was shooting some warm baskets and challenged him to a race had I P laughed him off. He may not have been the fleetest afoot afoot but he was twenty nine years old and at the peak of his athletic powers but Harry kept egging him on Pete caved and agree to the race. This Harry wanted to get embarrassed in front of a crowd of high-schoolers was his decision. After a quick sprint. It was all over as the crowd cheered. Pete shook his head in Disbelief Harry had won the kids packed into the stands aided up a fifty nine year old bank teller had beaten Charlie Hustle himself in a foot race in it hadn't even been close close a week later. Pete was at the barbershop when the telephone rang as the barber listened to the voice. We saw the other side. His face went white handshaking. He hung up and turn to Pete. He had terrible news. Hairy was dead. Pete couldn't believe it. He must have misheard he. He asked if the barber meant his mother hairy couldn't be dead. He was invincible but it was true that day in December nineteen seventy seventy Harry rose died from a blood clot in his heart. Pete wept for three days on end. His father was his hero. Oh his guiding light while Pete hadn't quite lived up to Harry strict moral code he had still learned to be honest to admit his mistakes but with Harry Gone Pete loss that voice in his ear keeping him on the straight and narrow and as his star continued continued to rise. There was nobody around to keep him in check not his wife not his mother not his teammates. Nobody could tell him no and that was just fine by him. Coming Up Pete becomes truly on shackled and now back to the story when Pete Rose lost his his father Harry in December nineteen seventy the twenty nine year old all star was beset with Grief Harry had meant everything to him but pete refused to let his father's death destroy him by the time the first pitch was thrown for the nineteen seventy one season. Pete Pete was ready to play and he had a hell of a team behind him to do it with the big red machine was the nickname of the nineteen seventies. Cincinnati natty reds the core of the team dominated the National League for the majority of the decade some still consider them to be one of the greatest teams teams ever assembled they trotted out future hall of famers Johnny Bench Joe Morgan and Tony Perez with a supporting cast that included Ken Griffey Senior and George Foster and of course Pete Rose Pete was one of baseball's most fearsome players throughout the nineteen seventies he won. MVP In nineteen seventy three and captain the reds to another world series appearance in nineteen seventy five this time they were facing off against the Boston Red Sox after Pete led the team to an incredible comeback in game six. The reds headed into game seven with a championship on the line. The team came out of the gates sluggish luggage and slow by the time the sixth inning came around Boston was up three to nothing with one out and all seemed lost then. Pete rose came up to bat like most of the twenty five hundred plus hits peed racked up to that point. The ball didn't have a ton of power behind it but there was enough to get him to first base when the next batter came up. Pete bounced up and down in anticipation nation as long as the batter hit a decent ball nothing could stop eat from getting to the next base or beyond nothing except for or a ground ball to the shortstop poorly hit grounder like that often lead to double plays in fact Boston had already racked up two two of them so far. If they got another one it would be three outs and another inning wasted. Pete prepared to run as the pitcher wound up through the batter swung and sent the ball straight to the shortstop from there. All the shortstop had to do was make an easy eight foot toss to the second baseman and P would be out there was almost no point in running but this was the world series and Pete was determined to try he charged down the baseline and launched into a feet first slide. Has the shortstop tossed the ball to the second basement. He was too late. The baseman caught the ball before pete arrived and stamped his foot on the bag. Pete was out but his teammate wasn't pete slide disrupted the basement as he threw the ball. I it sailed high allowing. Pete's teammate to get all the way to second the next batter hit the ball out of the park bringing the score to three two to all of a sudden the reds were back in the Game Cincinnati would go on to win the game four to three with Pete being named. Mvp of the World Series Stories when he was anointed as the sports illustrated athlete of the year for Nineteen seventy five the article would cite his heroic break-up of that double play as one of the season's key moments. The next season Pete once again led the reds to a world world series win by nineteen seventy eight he had racked up over three thousand hits in twelve all star selections at thirty seven years old old. Pete Rose was well on his way to becoming one of the greatest baseball players of all time and it was all thanks to the relentless drive his father had instilled in him but unfortunately that was not all hairy had instilled in Pete well he followed his father's example of never touching a drop of alcohol and always going to bed early but he also took Harry's fondness for gambling to another level by the end of the nineteen seventies. Pete was placing daily Bets on Horse Races Football Games and other sporting events he put down about two thousand was in dollars per wager equivalent of seven thousand dollars in today's money he wasn't anywhere near bankruptcy but it was developing into a dangerous serious habit and it wasn't his only one in nineteen seventy eight pete had a paternity suit filed against him by a woman he had been seeing being down in Florida although it was embarrassing to have her husband's name in the tabloids. Pete's wife Caroline stayed by his side his infidelity Elodie wasn't news to her after all but having him bring girls back to his hotel room during road trips was one thing having real relationships with them was another another matter altogether and if the articles detailing Pete's case were to be believed he had spent a significant amount of time with the child's mother. It turned out the woman. Florida wasn't the only one pete was seriously seeing behind Caroline's back in September nineteen seventy. Pete and Caroline's son Pete Rose Junior proudly told his mother that he had gone to the race track with Pete and they had seen his father's girlfriend. There Carolyn did a little more digging and found out. This girlfriend was a woman named Carol Carolyn could tolerate a lot but she couldn't stand the thought of Pete flaunting his mistress in front of her child. In September nineteen seventy seventy nine caroline filed for divorce. Pete found out right before he was going to take the field for a game against the New York. Mets it marked a second second separation for Pete that year the first was at the beginning of the nineteen seventy nine season when Pete changed teams for the first time in his career career. Even though he was in the twilight of his career at thirty eight years old Pete was still highly regarded put the growing rumors about his unstable personal life as well as his desire to be the highest paid player in baseball were too much for his employers to swallow as much as it pained him. Pete wasn't willing to take the low ball offer Cincinnati gave him after a lengthy free agent courtship he signed signed with the Philadelphia phillies three point two million dollars over four years the equivalent of about ten million dollars today the big red machine gene was officially disassembled. Pete was far from done by the time he left the reds and he hit amassed three thousand one hundred sixty four hits he was less than a thousand behind ty COBB's all time record of four thousand one eight hundred eighty nine. It was a record that seemed unbreakable like Joe Dimaggio's fifty six game hit streak or cy youngs five hundred eleven and pitching wins but if Pete could play at a high level for a few more years he could do the unthinkable he could pass cobb and become the new hit king. He was up further challenge despite his tumultuous Personal Life Pete collected another two two hundred eight hits in his first season with the phillies the next year he had one hundred eighty five hits and helped lead the phillies to victory in the world series but as the saying goes father time is undefeated and Pete Rose was no exception during the nineteen eighty three season forty two year old. Pete had less-than-stellar to forty-five batting average. He had one hundred twenty. Anyone hits far below his usual standards. It was the lowest total of his career including the nineteen eighty-one season shortened by a strike break in which he had one hundred forty hits and only one hundred and seven games it was also the first time he wasn't selected for the All Star game in ten years. He was only two hundred twenty nine hits behind ty COBB's record but if pete was going to surpass him it wouldn't wouldn't be with the phillies at the end of the nineteen eighty three season. They asked Pete if he was willing to accept a diminished role on the team. He refused fused by that point team. Success meant less to Pete than passing ty Cobb not wanting to be the organization that denied Pete Rose's bid to become the all time hits leader. The phillies released him from his contract. However there wasn't the same clamor to sign him as there was when he left the reds in seventy nine in the end pete signed with the Montreal Expos on a one year contract that could rise to eight hundred thousand thousand dollars if he met certain incentives but he didn't care that much about the money he cared about catching ty Cobb Pete achieved the major milestone of four thousand hits early that season twenty one years to the day after his first major league hit fittingly it was in a game against Philadelphia but after that exciting moment pete did little to while the expos faithful by August he was hitting only two sixty his playing time was dwindling right along with his chances of beating ty hi college record later that month. Pete got the lifeline he so desperately craved and it was from none other than his former team. The Cincinnati reds after Pete left in nineteen seventy nine the team had gone on into a tailspin with a garbage record and painfully low attendance reds President Bob House. Them needed a way to reinject some life into the fan base. He figured there was no better way to do that. Then to bring the franchises most famous player back home he called Pete and told him he wanted wanted him back on the team and not just as a player house. Zim also wanted to be the team's manager. It was the perfect perfect opportunity not only would pete be returning as the hometown hero but he wouldn't ever have to worry about how much playing time he would get if he needed more at bats he could just put himself into the game. After five and a half years away Pete was poised for a triumphant homecoming and the expos weren't particularly attached to Pete and they happily traded him back to the reds can exchange for Journeyman infielder named Tom. Lawless take on August sixteenth nineteen eighty-four. It was official. Pete rose was once again in Cincinnati red but the move wasn't without controversy. Although the position of being a player manager wasn't new it was more popular killer in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds since nineteen sixty. Only five other players had done it and very few managed to serve in both roles with any real success. Pete tried to sue the critics by promising he wanted to instil to rules in his team. They they were the same rules his father. Harry instilled in him beyond time and play hard as for his own playing time he knew he couldn't put himself self in the lineup every single day but as long as he could still hack it and the pitcher wasn't a lefty he was going to take the field. Pete's first game back in his hometown was August seventeenth. More than thirty five thousand people showed up over twice the reds normal attendance that year. He didn't waste any time giving the fans what they wanted pulling on his old number fourteen uniform. He took his customary Mary Place in the batting order on his first at Bat. It was as if Pete picked up where he left off. After the nineteen seventy eight season his last as a red he launched the ball deep into center field as Iran down the baseline. The years seemed to follow away. He sprinted past. I without a second thought of stopping second base wasn't good enough either as he neared third pete launched into a headfirst slide tagging the bag a spray of dirt safe. It was the first of another thirty five hits. He'd have that season season in only twenty six games. Pete's returned to Cincinnati hadn't only reenergize the fan base it had reenergized him as well all all of a sudden he was only ninety four hits behind ty COBB. The all time hits record was within reach and it looked like he'd break it it as a read the nineteen eighty five season dawn with a sense of palpable excitement the press warm the city like never her before eclipsing anything. Pete had seen in his heyday. Everyone wanted a piece of Pete rose and he was happy to oblige them. Before the season started pete made an agreement with the sporting news to make daily journal entries throughout the season they'd be compiled piled into a paperback called countdown to Cobb. He also made a deal with the Cincinnati Inquirer to allow a young journalist named John or Artie already too closely cover. Pete and the team throughout the season as part of his background research Iraqi interviewed Pete's mother Laverne Burn. He had no idea it would lead to one of the most stunning revelations in the history of sports parts while they got to know each other laverne brought up the previous season's world series between the San Diego padres and the Detroit Troy Tigers. She told Iraqi that Pete had lost a bundle of money by betting on the underdog padres. Gherardi ready did a double take. He wasn't a season sports writer but he knew that if what Laverne said was true it would be grounds for Pete to be banned from baseball for life. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals next week in part two will follow. Pete Rose's attempt attempt to break the all time hits record but has the truth about his gambling habits comes to light his status as one of baseball's all time greats is placed in in jeopardy in addition to the many sources we used we found Pete Rose and American dilemma by cost you Kennedy extremely helpful to our our research. 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Pete Rose Pt. 2: For or Against?

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Pete Rose Pt. 2: For or Against?

"Another day another ballpark Kevin Harlan and loved his job but the newly minted head of security from Major League Baseball had to admit it was getting a bit monotonous on the surface. So many of these stadiums have their own mystique from Green Monster Monster at Boston's Fenway Park to the Ivy covered brick outfield wall at Chicago's Wrigley Field each place had its own quirks its own personality but underground they were all the same the long concrete tunnels the bustle of activity everyone doing his or her part to make sure the game going on above them went off without a hitch but there was another side to what was happening a darker side when he first I started touring the Ballpark's Helen was surprised at how easy it was to gain entry into players club houses they were packed with all sorts of characters none of whom had any form of security clearance that included the vast entourage of slime balls that accompanied Pete Rose rose everywhere he went they were big guys with bulging muscles slicked back hair and pagers clip to their belts Helen a new type right from his days in the nypd he could spot bookies from a mile away. Hallinan had heard the rumors that Pete Rose was a profligate gambler earlier and once he saw the kind of people pete surrounded himself with he began to suspect the whisperers were true however this wasn't some scrub Auber journeyman outfielder this was pete rose the hit king it was only a matter of time until he was enshrined into the Hall of Fame But if HAL ammon suspicions proved to be correct it didn't matter how influential Pete was if it turned out Pete's gambling habits had spread to baseball he would be in violation of one of the MLB as most iron clad rules. Anyone who bad on a major league baseball game would be banned from the sport forever. Welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week we dive drive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also so uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all all their park asked originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify just open the APP anti sports criminals and the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram Damn at podcast and twitter at podcast network this is our second episode on Pete Rose Major League Baseball's all time leader in hits as well as one of only three living people currently on the MLB's ineligible list last week we traced Pete's incredible career career as he went from unheralded prospect to legendary superstar we also examined his obsession with gambling and how this lifestyle became more problematic Blah matic as his success group this week we'll continue to follow peace quest to pass ty COBB's all time record of four thousand one hundred within ninety one hits but as his gambling habits catch the eye of the most powerful men in baseball pizza place amongst the greats becomes uh-huh jeopardized ninety four hits. That's all forty four year old Pete rose needed to pass ty hi cobs all time hits record and is the nineteen eighty five season approached. The newly minted Cincinnati Reds player manager was all but guaranteed to shatter a record once considered unbreakable that is if his gambling problems didn't catch up with him first Pete's returned to Cincinnati also meant a return to his old gambling circles. Although he had kept up his illegal sports betting after leaving leaving the reds in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine the bookies in Cincy knew him he was Pete Freak and rose an icon a legend what's more he was one of them. Pete may have been a celebrity but he didn't act like some stuck up millionaire take away the baseball ball uniform and he was just another guy from Anderson ferry if he wanted to make a bet all he had to do was ask and Pete Pete certainly wanted to bet in the fall of nineteen eighty four he found out from a friend that the real action was taking place out of a local Gold's Gold's gym but Pete was too recognizable to stroll through the doors and start placing bets himself as we discussed last week betting on any sports sports other than horse racing was illegal. If it was too obvious that Pete was breaking the law he could risk getting arrested however that didn't didn't keep him from gambling he just had intermediaries place wagers forum with a bookie named Ron Peters by December he was using using Peter's to place two thousand dollar bets on up to ten football games every weekend and as the bookie would later confess pete eventually started betting on baseball to his bold play on the field to his extramarital affairs pete had had always been reckless but betting on baseball was taking it to another level betting on baseball had been a stain on the MLB MLB legacy since the so called black socks nineteen nineteen scandal in which members of the Chicago White Sox were accused of purposely throwing throwing the world series the black SOx scandal violated one of the most sacred tenants of the sport that the most deserving team would emerge emerged victorious to restore the public's faith in the League rule twenty one section D was created in nineteen twenty seven according to this stipulation if any employees of a major league baseball team was caught betting on baseball games they would be placed on the permanent imminent in eligible list that meant they would be barred from participating in any official. MLB events for the rest of their life. If repeat got caught betting on baseball he wouldn't be able to continue his quest to break ty Cobb's record. You'd be forced to step down from his position and as the reds manager he wouldn't even be able to enter a stadium unless he bought a ticket like everyone else but for Pete to be found in in violation of rule twenty one he would have to get caught betting on baseball and there were few factors making such a thing extremely unlikely first the very nature of underground bedding made it hard to trace any wagers back to pete in addition to relying on cash Asha exchanges bookies also made sure to refer to people using codenames for instance Pete's Moniker was the number fourteen gene. It wasn't particularly subtle it word on his back and every time he took to the field but it's still kept his name from being uttered allowed second unless a police officer went undercover exposed a bookmaker and convinced them to out their clients. There was no real way to catch Pete Red handed ended and even then with so little in the way of physical evidence it would be hard to actually prove Pete had made the bets especially Louis if he used someone as an intermediary to place bets for him but all these roadblocks were useless. If Pete didn't keep his mouth shut talk about what he was doing all it would take to bring him down was pete trusting his secret with the wrong person as it turned out that person was his own mother Laverne apparently Pete Disgust discussed his gambling with laverne however he neglected to mention that she should keep it a secret unbeknownst to Laverne she was sitting on a powder keg that could destroy her son's career and when a Cincinnati Inquirer journalist named John Iraqi came calling she inadvertently Lee let it blow up ahead of the nineteen eighty five season Iraqi visited Laverne to do some background research for his upcoming book chronicling Glinka Pete's attempt to break ty COBB's hit record as they chatted Laverne. Let slip that Pete had lost a lot of money when he bet on the San the ACL padres to win in the eighty four world series against the Detroit Tigers although a rarity had just moved to the sports division from Metro he was pretty sure that it was against the MLB's rules for Pete to bet on baseball. If he decided to dig any deeper he could probably find out not enough to get P placed on the ineligible list but Iraqi stayed quiet betting on baseball was considered a high crime against the sport court at the same time. Pete was only ninety four hits away from passing COBB. If Iraqi exposed the hometown hero when he he was so close to breaking the record the journalists would probably get run out of town for the moment pete secret was safe as the nineteen eighty five season dawned all anybody in Cincinnati could talk about was when Pete would break the record. It didn't matter that the man known as Charlie Hustle was old and slow the reds faithful knew he deliver come hell or high water. He always delivered even at forty four years old Pete certainly seemed up to the task even though his body couldn't take the grind of playing almost every day he got into the lineup enough to consistently rack up heads throughout the spring and summer by the time the calendar hits September he was within striking range of COBB's record by September eighth. Pete was at four thousand one hundred hundred eighty nine hits only two hits away from COBB. It was the last of a six game road trip and much to the delight of Reds Fans Hands Back in Cincinnati. The Chicago cubs were planning on playing a left handed pitcher one of Pete's rules when he returned to the reds was that he would never never play against lefties even as a switch hitter they gave him too much trouble. Despite the fact that the record was in his sights he planned to honor honor that rule he wouldn't bat again until the reds came home. It was all but assured that Pete rose would become the new hit king in front of the Cincinnati Cincinnati faithful however fate had other plans the morning of the Game Pete found out that the pitcher the cubs were planning on playing got injured instead the right handed pitcher Reggie Patterson would be taking the mound when Pete heard the news he practically we started salivating. He had scored a single off Patterson only two days earlier although he had hoped to break Cobb's record while at home he couldn't risk not not playing at his age every game counted so he put himself into the lineup in his first. I Bat Pete hammered another single off of Patterson he was one hit away from matching ty Cobb's fifty seven year old record occurred of four thousand one hundred ninety one hits with more than twenty eight thousand fans looking on and countless more tuned in on their TV's TV's and Radios Pete came up to bat again in the fifth inning as he stepped up to the plate. The normally hostile Chicago crowd rose to its feet and cheered. It didn't matter that Pete had given them so much heartbreak over the years. They wanted to witness history but pitcher Reggie Reggie Patterson didn't want to be a footnote in Pete Story on his first Pitch Patterson through a heat seeking missile straight into the CATCHER's commit strike one the second pitch also evaded Pete's bat strike to the crowd held. It's breath as Patterson wound ended up for the third time the pitch hit the dirt ball won the next two were similarly wild all of a sudden the count was full at three and to the crowd new the significance of the next pitch they turned on their own player Booing Patterson and as he ready to throw Patterson's final pitch was a screwball meaning it moved down in in towards Pete it was one of the most is challenging pitches to hit in baseball but not for Pete he perfectly Red Patterson subtle wrist movements that gave the pitch away and and smacked the ball into right field when Pete arrived at first base the crowd went wild ty Cobb was no longer alone on the mountain top where he had stood since nineteen twenty eight the question now was whether they'd get to see Pete climbed past him even though the reds owner had personally called him in the Dugout to Beg Pete to save the record for a home game he refused used to call it quits whether it was in baseball or gambling Pete only knew one speed full throttle despite the pressure from from his boss he went up to bat two more times while he didn't end up getting the record breaking hit. It wasn't for lack of trying after the game the press lauded Pete for his unbending integrity just as much as they did for tying the hits record here was a man who refused to put his own interests. I ahead of the game of baseball. He was a shining example to the sport. A man worthy of his place amongst greats little did they know he was also committing a cardinal sin against the game of baseball but for the moment all all anyone knew was that pete needed just one more hit to become the one and only hit king three days later on September eleventh nineteen eighty five he finally did it. It was a picture perfect late summer evening. Eh nearly fifty thousand rabid fans had come to the stadium to see one thing and one thing only to see pete rose break aac ty Cobb's record. They got their chance. When Pete came to the plate in the first inning facing San Diego Padres pitcher Eric Chow Chow Pete rose easily knocked the ball into left center field the standing ovation from the crowd lasted for nearly ten minutes minutes his teammates mobbed him he had achieved the impossible it had taken over two decades of averaging over three hundred with elite play an unrelenting desire but he had done it he had passed ty Cobb as his teammates return to the dugout? Pete shared a tender hug with his teenage son Pete Rose Junior. It was a perfect moment an enduring image that would define pete rose's life or at least it would have if he had decided to quit the game of baseball after that season if he had decided to retire are his legacy would have been secure and nobody would have ever found out about his bedding practices but Pete loved the game too much to leave of it. Even as he approached his forty fifth birthday. He was confident that he still had something left in the tank. Baseball was his life and he wasn't wasn't ready to hang it up just yet even though peed had secured one of the most sacred records in the sport nothing had changed for them. Aw that included his gambling he was pete rose a living legend. Nobody could touch him or so. He thought coming up Pete gets caught red handed now back to the story. After forty four year old Pete rose became the new baseball hit king in the nineteen eighty five season. He decided to come back for another year. As the Cincinnati Reds player manager he also decided to take his underground betting activities to another level as nineteen eighty five bled into nineteen eighty six pete's gambling activities intensified to the tune of approximately fifteen eighteen thousand dollars worth of bets per day even with Wealth Pete at accumulated in his two decade career. It was a lot out of money too much money to cover his growing debts. Pete was forced to sell off some of his most treasured memorabilia including including his World Series Rings and the Bat He'd used break ty Cobb's record only months before these items represented his greatest. It is professional triumphs but pete was willing to let them go long as he could keep gambling. Even though these sales were conducted got to quietly with private buyers they didn't go unnoticed within the baseball community they were of particular interest to Kevin Jalan Major League Baseball's new head of security ahead of the eighty-six season. MLB Commissioner Peter ueberroth hired Talon to be the league's new head of Security Ueberroth liked Helen's background is the commander of an FBI NYPD anti-terrorism terrorism task force. He wanted Hallinan to tighten the ship so to speak regarding everything under the security umbrella that included access to the players clubhouse before Jalan took over there is almost no control over who is coming and going from the clubhouse logistically speaking. This lack of control represented a security threat if someone wanted to hurt one of the players it was almost too easy to get access is to them. One of the first things Hallinan did upon becoming head of security was to make sure there was someone standing guard at the clubhouse entrances to sign people all in out by random chance as Jalan toward stadiums throughout the season he frequently ended up being in town the same day the Cincinnati Reds in his efforts to curtail access to the players clubhouse Pete's entourage was particularly egregious in terms of how they seem to have free rein over the stadium as a former. NYPD Lieutenant Helena new and underground betting operation when he saw one he also heard about Pete's recent memorabilia sales and Helen's experience people like Pete Rose only needed that kind of cash for one reason to cover debts so he decided to dig a little deeper into peach activities with commissioner Ueberroth Permission Helen in had Joe Daley an ex FBI colleague who operated out of Cincinnati put out some feelers raise through daily. Helen was able to find out about the shady operations going on in the Gold's gym heat frequented although although he wasn't able to get any concrete proof daily heard a lot of whispers that Pete was betting on Baseball Helen and decided the best course of action would be to conduct a quiet investigation into Pete's gambling practices the whole time Helen's investigation was ongoing Pete had no idea he was under any sort of scrutiny he continued to bet on baseball including games games involving the reds. We never bet for them to lose but that didn't change the fact that he was completely violating rule twenty one won once the nineteen eighty six season ended. He decided he was finally ready to stop playing baseball. After collecting a grand total of four four thousand two hundred and fifty six hits he felt like it was time for him to transition into working solely as the reds manager but even though Oh he was no longer playing for the team that didn't mean Pete was in the clear rule twenty-one clearly prohibited any team employees from betting on on Baseball Games and that included the manager over the next two seasons while Pete managed the reds Helen daily continued their investigation while they were still short on proof they had heard enough rumors to suspect Pete violating rule twenty one in February wary of nineteen eighty nine about a month before the season was set to begin Pete was summoned to the MLB headquarters in New York. He had no idea idea he was walking into an ambush as he entered commissioner. Peter Ueberroth Office Pete was greeted did by the grim faces of Uber Off Incoming Baseball Commissioner Bart Giamatti and his deputy Fay Vincent they asked him point blank. Thank you bet on Baseball Pete admitted that he bet on other sports but categorically denied that he had ever wagered on a baseball game game he insisted he would never be that stupid. The three men had every reason to not push the matter any further although Hallinan had had heard rumors that Pete had bet on baseball he didn't have any real proof and that was good enough for you broth and GM Mati in addition to being being a steward of the game the Commissioner of baseball also answered to the owners and that meant taking the bottom line in the consideration Pete was one of the greatest players of all time is relentless drive and passion for the game made him one of the sport's most popular stars financially it made sense to cast him out of the League but Deputy Commissioner Fay Vincent was a man of unbending principle. He felt that their responsibility he was to make sure the integrity of baseball superseded any financial obligations. You've Pete was betting on Baseball Games that meant he was spitting in the face of one of America's noblest institutions. They couldn't go easy on him. Just because of his status Vincent's passionate case of integrity over money honey one over Ueberroth Giamatti they resolved open an independent investigation into Pete's gambling habits Vincent's recommendation attorney. John Dowd was chosen to conduct the inquiry as a no nonsense attorney so you with an aptitude for big cases dowd was the perfect choice he'd leave no stone unturned in his pursuit of the Truth Investigation Gatien officially began on March Sixth Nineteen Eighty nine upon arriving in Cincinnati Dowd was certain he had a long road ahead of him and not only was a local hero but getting his associates to reveal their own roles in the enterprise was a big ask underground around rings ran on loyalty and trust if these men were willing to betray Pete rose of all people for the rest of their clients might leave leave them however nearly the moment dowd set foot in the city. The men involved in Pete's betting circles ratted him out during Kevin Evan Helen's more discreet questioning. Nobody had turned on Pete but by March one thousand nine hundred nine he owed too much money to too many people. Oh if they weren't going to get their money back they were willing to get payback in a different way. The first one to betray Pete was Paul Paul Janssen a steroid dealer Gold's gym would place bats on Pete's behalf in the spring of Nineteen eighty-seven Jansen was so eager to help make wagers with a bookie Ron Peters that he even paid around forty thousand dollars out of his own pocket to do it. The expectation was that Pete would pay him back later but peed had racked up another thirty four thousand dollars in gambling debts with Ron Peters at the end of the summer of eighty seven and Peter's refuse to pay out forty thousand dollars Pete had one claiming it as payment with interest for the money Pete still owed him that refusal had an unintended ripple effect on Paul Johnson who was still in the whole for the money he had used on behalf but pete reportedly refused to fully repay him this betrayal Stung Jansen to his core Janssen heard about John Dowd's investigation when he was all too happy to turn on his friend in addition to his own notebook in which he meticulously tracked every wager he placed Janssen provided what he claimed repeats own records of the bets dowd had them analyzed by a handwriting writing expert who concluded the Janssen was telling the truth after Janson came forward the bookie Ron Peters also decided to help with dowd's house investigation at the time of the investigation peters was awaiting sentencing on cocaine trafficking and falsifying tax returns. Even though the doubt investigation was independent of the Justice Department. Perhaps he thought he might get a lighter sentence for cooperating in addition to providing the copy of the thirty four thousand dollar check Pete had given him Peter's turned over his own betting records these records confirm the bets that Pete had placed laced via Johnson and that many of these wagers were on baseball games as news from the investigation leaked to the press pete vehemently humanly denied he had ever bet on baseball games even with over a dozen witnesses saying otherwise and the evidence to back them up Pete refuse to admit what he had done. When the nineteen eighty nine season began in early April Pete Rose had gone from beloved hero to despise villain with the exception of Pete's loyal home fans everywhere the reds went pete found himself relentlessly booed? It didn't matter how many records he had he had betrayed the game itself wants dowd had gathered his evidence. He called Pete in for a deposition in late April nineteen eighty nine with so much publicity surrounding the investigation allegation they had to find a quiet discreet place to meet away from the scrutiny of the press instead of meeting in Pete's office or at the New York Doc. MLB Headquarters Pete Rose and John Dowd sat down across from each other in the school cafeteria. The Small Catholic school in Cincinnati natty over the course of two days of questioning Pete steadfastly denied that he had ever bet on a major league baseball game even when Dowd showed Pete the betting slips journal entries in phone records that served as evidence against him even when he he played a phone call Paul Johnson had recorded with another one of Pete's associates about the debt zeroed Pete still refused to yield but dowd dowd didn't need Pete to admit to betting on baseball he had all the evidence he required and nothing Pete said contradicted the proof doubt how had collected he was ready to move forward with his findings only two months after beginning his investigation on May ninth nineteen eighty nine dowd provided the newly minted. MLB Commissioner Bart Giamatti with his report it spanned roughly two hundred and twenty five pages along with nine volumes of unedited supporting evidence dowd had shown that Pete had clearly bad on Major League Baseball Games now now it was up to GM Mahdi to punish him. Although G Amati was a fan of Pete as a player. He didn't like how Pete it was refusing to own up to what he had done. If Pete had admitted his mistakes maybe there would have been room for mercy but if he wasn't gonNA come in clean he would be subjected to the full brunt of rule twenty one permanent ineligibility to determine Pete's fate Timoti set a hearing for May Twenty Fifth Nineteen eighty-nine However repeat wasn't going to take his punishment lying down. If he managed to escape permanent ban he could emerge his reputation relatively intact according to an informal poll conducted by the Los Angeles Times many the journalists who voted on hall of fame inductions would still put them on their ballots just as long as he never bet against the reds he and his legal team scrambled for any way to fight against commissioner G Ahmadis wrath and managed to get the hearing pushed back a month. Even with the extra time time Pete had no real recourse he wouldn't admit it but the fact was that he had bet on baseball there was simply no disputing muting the evidence against him so instead of going after the evidence Pete decided to go after Giamatti claiming the commissioner was never going to give him a fair hearing Pete filed the lawsuit in Cincinnati where a friendly judge agreed to enact a temporary temporary restraining order to delay the hearing but pete wasn't the only one who can make moves within the legal system in response to the temporary cold Giamatti had the case moved to a federal court outside the local jurisdiction of Cincinnati realizing his chance of having a sympathetic judge was much lower in this new setting Pete agreed to enter settlement discussions in early August nineteen eighty nine. The negotiations were short with no real leverage. All Pete could get out of Giamatti was that he didn't have to admit or deny to betting on baseball baseball. It was meaningless concession. He was still found in violation of rule twenty one. The agreement was signed the morning of August twenty twenty third nineteen eighty-nine Pete Rose one of the best to ever swing the bat was officially out of the game of baseball coming up Pete Finds Life Without baseball even more difficult than he had imagined and now back to the story on August twenty third nineteen eighty nine forty eight year old Pete rose was placed on major league baseball's balls permanent ineligible list for betting on Baseball Games while he was employed by the Cincinnati reds however there was still a sliver of hope for Pete per the League's rules he'd be allowed to reapply for reinstatement in one year's time it was an option. He fully really planned on exercising. Unfortunately there were more repercussions from his gambling habits still come with Pete's bedding woes firmly we in the national spotlight the irs decided to take a closer look at his finances on April Twentieth Twentieth Nineteen Ninety Pete pleaded guilty to two counts of filing fraudulent tax returns from nineteen eighty four to nineteen eighty seven he had had failed to disclose close to three hundred fifty thousand dollars in autograph and Memorabilia sales the equivalent of nearly seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in today's money most likely that money had gone to paying off his significant gambling debts the judge sentenced him to five months in a minimum security security prison with a further three months in a halfway house upon his release additionally he slapped Pete with fifty thousand dollar fine and one one thousand hours of community service in the end. It was a fairly light punishment. If he'd had been punished to the full extent of the law he could have faced up to six years in prison but in this instance his honesty in cooperation helped him get a lighter punishment. Perhaps he had learned a lesson lesson from his hard headed approach to the doubt investigation Pete reported to the Minimum Security Facility in Marion Illinois on August Eighth Nineteen Ninety Ninety he had traded in his reds number fourteen for prisoner number zero one eight three two zero six one the day he was incarcerated Pete was two weeks shy of being able to apply for reinstatement to the MLB. He didn't bother filing an application Fay Vincent had assumed the role of baseball commissioner after Bart Giamatti died in September nineteen eighty-nine. There was no way the incredibly principal commissioner would ever reinstate Pete while he was imprisoned in an ironic twist of fate the reds Ed's reached the world series while Pete was incarcerated he wanted nothing more than to be in the dug-out alongside his former players instead he was forced to watch the Games on TV alongside his fellow inmates. When the reds won the championship in a clean sweep many of Pete's former players were quick to thank their former manager regardless of what he had done Pete had laid the foundations of a great team and they would never forget it as the other prisoners cheered high-fived him pete felt mix of pride and sadness it would have loved to be part of the Action Pete was released from Marian on January seventh nineteen ninety one by all accounts accounts he had been a model inmate even though he had a long road ahead of him in his fight to get reinstated to the LB he still had something to look forward to getting enshrined in the Baseball Hall of fame in Cooperstown New York the debate over whether or not pete should be voted in had begun gone the moment he was found in violation of rule twenty? One Pete was confident in his chances overall. The selection process was extremely democratic when it was established in nineteen thirty six. It's founders had a vision that the players who were chosen would reflect the sentiments it's of baseball fans in general to that end. The voting process was entrusted to the Baseball Writers Association of America or B B W A A in order to qualify a player must have appeared in at least ten. Mlb Seasons and five years must have passed since he last played in a game then if a player appeared on more than seventy five percent of voters ballots he would be selected for induction since Pete had never played in the nineteen nineteen eighty-seven season he would have been eligible to appear on ballots when voting began in late nineteen ninety one and if he was only being judged by his career achievements he would have been a shoo-in at the time there was no rule against an ineligible player or manager being voted into the hall of fame name but three days after pete got out of prison a special committee created by the Hall of Fame Board of Directors voted to make one colloquially known as the rose rule. This motion went against the intentions behind the hall of fame voting process. Yes Pete had betrayed the game of baseball but it wasn't up to the committee to decide whether his betting had outweighed his performance on the field however over the B. B. W. A. was powerless to do anything to change the rule unless it was amended to allow Pete to be voted in the only way away he could get inducted would be for the Commissioner to revoke his ineligibility and that wouldn't be happening anytime soon. Pete continued into steadfastly denied that he had ever bet on baseball. Even though the evidence against him was staggering unless he made a serious attempt to right right his wrongs Pete would remain on the outside looking in being cast out of baseball deprived speed of more than his eligibility within the League deprived him of experiencing one of the most important moments of son's life in September Nineteen Ninety Ninety seven twenty seven year old Pete Rose Junior was finally called up from the minor leagues to play for the Cincinnati reds although he was a talented talented player in his own right junior lacked the same spark that made his old man so special but Pete Signature Hustle ran in the family despite his talent deficit Pete Junior who is still known in baseball circles as PD had refused to give up his big league dreams and after toiling oiling in the minor leagues for nine full years PD was finally getting his shot hit the big show although his major league career lasted only eleven eleven games PD could claim something his father never could he got hit in his first contest and while Pete was watching from the stands dance and shared a hug with his son outside the players tunnel he wasn't allowed to partake in the hallowed tradition of celebrating with his son in the Locker Kurram all because he had bet on baseball games but with the good feelings around PD's MLB debut a Byu Pete decided to apply for reinstatement in late September nineteen ninety seven however commissioner Bud Seelig never even officially considered it heat still refuse to admit to betting on baseball until he did he'd never have a shot at reinstatement almost seven years past with Pete remaining steadfast in his denials but with each passing day his chances of getting inducted into the hall of Fame Reg- winding the limit for eligibility was twenty years after a players last game for pete that would be in two thousand six if he wanted to get reinstated and therefore regain eligibility he would need to take drastic action shen in January two thousand four Pete appeared on Good Morning America and finally admitted to what everyone already knew he she had bet on baseball and you could read all about it in his new book my prison without bars. If Pete was expecting to to be praised for his admission he would be sorely disappointed. The timing was considered extremely suspect. His revelation was seen more more is a PR move than a genuine apology regardless of what Pete's intentions were his confession wasn't enough to get him reinstated had admitting what he had done was a good first step but he hadn't done anything to truly show he was sorry for what he had done but as the years passed the MLB started to loosen Pete's shackles on the night of September eleventh two thousand ten the League permitted the reds to honor Pete on the field for the twenty fifth anniversary of his record breaking hit after the ceremony there was a dinner held in Pete's honor at the Hollywood would casino in nearby Lawrenceburg Indiana sitting amongst his old teammates flooded with installed for days gone by something must have broken compete when he took to the podium to give a speech he broke down and cried looking out at the crowd out of Diners Pete acknowledged that he finally realized what Bart Giamatti had meant when he told Pete He'd have to reconfigure his life if he hoped to get reinstated he acknowledged that he had disrespected the game of baseball speaking to his former teammates rose said I'm a hard hard headed guy but I'm a lot better guy standing here tonight. I guarantee everyone in this room. I will never disrespect you again. I love the fans I love the game of baseball. I Love Cincinnati Baseball this time. It seemed like Pete's apology was genuine. There was no deadline for reinstatement coming up no ulterior motive it appeared that he truly regretted what what he had done. However Commissioner Seelig never made a decision on pizza eligiblity and despite Pete's two thousand ten apology the new commissioner Rob Manfred didn't believe that he had shown adequate remorse or adjustment of lifestyle he denied pete application but Manfred did give the reds permission to celebrate pizza on field legacy in two thousand Sixteen Pete was inducted did into the Cincinnati Reds Hall of fame and had his famous number Fourteen Jersey officially retired additionally a statue of Pete launching into his iconic headfirst slide was installed in front of the Reds Stadium as of two thousand Nineteen Pete Rose is still on the ineligible list and remains barred from being inducted into the MLB Hall of fame but the controversy swirling swirling around him continues to make headlines especially with the revelations about the rampant steroid use that plagued baseball in the nineteen nineties and two two thousand the question of how much damage Pete did to the game has been re framed although notorious steroid users like barry bonds and Sammy me Sosa have not been inducted into the hall of fame they are still eligible? An argument can be made that what Pete did was less detrimental to baseball all the action steroid users took to enhance themselves according to he never bet against the reds. He only bet on them to win. There's so that means he never made any decisions that would cause the reds to lose and there's no evidence to prove lying however that doesn't mean his betting interests didn't interfere with his duties as the reds manager. Although he wasn't doing anything to impact his team's chances of winning Pete could could have put his short term goals of winning that night's bet over the long term goals of the season now seventy eight years old hello pete claims in interviews that he is long past caring whether he makes it into the hall of fame or not. He's a regular presence in cooperstown during induction and weekends gladly selling his autograph. If you ask him he'll right. I'm sorry I bet on baseball and maybe truly means it. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with a new episode in addition to the many sources we used we found Pete rose an American dilemma by cost you Kennedy extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all of their podcast originals for free on on spotify not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals slakes sports criminals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream sports criminals on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type sports criminals is in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at par cast in twitter at podcast network will see an sports criminals was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network. It's produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Andy Wait eight with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. 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