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Episode 185: The ZC Patron Saint of Twitter Fights

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Episode 185: The ZC Patron Saint of Twitter Fights

"I and Products. Browsing twitter and I come across a from one. William Shatner you might. Him As captain! Kirk, from star, Trek, and he's he posted a just like a picture of what seems to be gender bent Captain Kirk. So like Captain Kirk woman and he's captured. This picture captioned this picture. I do me. And welcome back as euro credits the show where we talk about things, my name is Henry. Helmet God. Together we're Henry. Oh my God Calvin at you to discuss the cultural happenings of the Zeitgeist an obviously by this entra. We have a ton to talk about today. Listen listeners and family. There's a lot happening in the twitter. Verse in the blog is fear on the youtube on. So much happening at a dozen adver staff at it will never stop. That's right. This is spiderman into the twitter verse and we're GonNa be discussing all of the tweets and twits that are happening right now or maybe we'll stray from this topic because I. Don't know what we have prepared today. you know we're just feeling out in a time of great tumult. This is just a it's a safe space for us to relax. Speak our mind. And drink some drinks. That's right. Twitter is a proud sponsor of drinking and tweeting. They always say tweet irresponsibly, because more people will be in the mentions streaking and tweeting also will otherwise known as dreading. Yeah I. There's a reason why they would call at the drudge report. And that predates drea dating, but now the drudge report is about drudge up those drunken tweets from those very famous people well in the past it was it was the drudge report. Because as we all know, the precursor twitter was too much. And when people would get drunk and Trois. DRUDGE. Exactly, that's why they call it that no other reason. And what are you drinking Henry Tonight I'm glad you asked because I'm drinking a breckenridge brewery, vanilla porter and the The bottle cap is informing me that it is the breweries thirtieth anniversary. Really today. Today. Yet it's exactly today on the date of recording is the thirtieth anniversary of Breckenridge brewery congratulations to that colorado-based Brew House. You're vanilla. Porters. Are are really great second only to five one saupiquet reporter, which I can't find in stores anymore and I greatly saddened by Ono yet to move down the porter pillar the porter porter. Porter Totem Pole. That's right. Real heads will know that the took the porter totem pole that the very top the most revealed eagles spirit is the five one to pecan porter underneath it. The the Fox like Deity is the vanilla horder and the bottom of the totem pole. The third place is a I guess. What is it called southern? PECAN southern Pecan. Is Guess other forgotten. Yeah, yeah, it's not really a border, but it's what I could remember. Remember right now for the job. Yeah, it's a pecan beer. I'm drinking. There's a returning guest on the podcast. Oh! Is a a fitness beer. No, I drank of fitness beer, and you know what I think might have given it to high of praise on the podcast. How fit are you now? I asked my ads. I can put walnuts between each one of them and then crush them by crunch. That's pretty cool I love when people start start start sentences by going Oh what my ads. That's how I start most sentences in real life. Do Oh my ads. By halves but I am drinking. As a matter of fact, you might remember the name of alone name of a real ale brewing company out of Blanco tax. US I do remember them because we drink on the podcast right? Yes, we drank. I'M GONNA say two hundred of their Hans pills. That's exactly right. I do remember them. What are you drinking from? There's today from real ale brewing in Blanco Texas I've actually got the fresh kicks. Hazy IPA OH. Hazy ideas are your favorite. They are and I was proud to see that another Texas company was making them. I'm actually decanting this into a glass because I like how hazy IPO look and my glasses a recycle olive jar and it is not big enough. Well. I'm sorry to hear that. Your glass is in big enough, but surely it big enough for those olives. One can only assume whoever eight the olives out of this probably really enjoyed. It, you didn't need the olives out of it. You're drinking out of the glass. Absolutely I as far as the taste of spear? Phenomenal. I'm happy to hear it. It's a it's Kinda sweet fruity citrusy everything you want in a p looking drink. Tea is in like the vegetable or P. as in like the. The human waste product like do. When you? Typically to which we all know refers to a very fancy piece soup, yes. This is delicious. It's it's pretty sweet. So good well. I'm glad you're beers. Good and I'm hoping you can sip it the entire time 'cause we got a lot to discuss this week. John I just went for a somewhat brisk walk. I didn't drink any water after just took a big water size gulp of this. Sounds like you could have really used one of the fitness beers because that's what our whole marketing scheme is. You don't have water. You only have their water down bigger. I really could have used it a because us. Qadam, that was a lot of district. Anyway. Let's stop talking about how much beer I did or didn't drink. It's been a lot moving. So, John Twitter twitter. Twitter's of buzz twitter's. Flutter twitter's cheapen and they're up, people can. Oh. Okay well. Twitter is Chirpin in its tour. Open twitter, right? Understood what I meant by go on. I think I think I mean Oh, I guess. English is not a there's not a great way to. Continue to the next subject of not continue with whatever you were doing. Okay so the skip pats twitter then. Now Continue in the thought, but do not continue to come up with new words to describe. Twitter is doing so no more. Twitter's leaping. Twitter's heaping. Yeah, none of that well all right. I guess we can skip the punchline. Well can you go back to a point before the punchline but us just enough of those things that you were going to say and the trash is piling up high. There's a lot going on the twitter verse, and we're talk about starting with a feud between two unlikely foes that maybe you heard of Oh. WHO'S FIGHTING IN ONE CORNER? We have Hollywood actor Ron Perlman. For playing such people such as hell, boy, and all of the narrators from every fall out game, yes, the narrators from followed hell boy, that one character from season of the witch, the main character in sons of anarchy. I'm pretty sure. He had a role in Pacific rim where he played like a doctor scientist I don't recall that but sure I might be thinking of Charlie Day. You know. I get them confused all the time. I Don't have an explanation. Any other quarter John Opposite for Mr Perlman is Texas Senator Ted Cruz. Bo? Here's the thing. He's not actually in the corner. He's Kinda like in the pocket of the corner where the coach would whisper things to the boxer US like you know dazed and confused because the actual corner is somebody that Ted Cruz. Put their without letting them know that they were GonNa be there. It's Jim Jordan. WHO. Jim. Jordan, who is a doing some research? He looks like to be. A representative from Ohio on the GOP side. and. So, to put us on the time line, apparently Ron Perlman. Was tweeting at somebody named Matt Gaetz, who is a Florida representative? Of some renowned. Ron Perlman said PS. Talking to Matt. For this Guy Matt if it weren't for him, you'd be the ugliest politician walking, and it's a picture of Mr Jim Jordan Ooh. Apropos of nothing. Ted Cruz. Jump said and says. Than Hell boy, you talk a good game. You talk a good game. What you've got Hollywood makeup in stunt men, but I'll bet ten thousand dollars to the nonpolitical charity of your choice that you couldn't last five minutes and the wrestling ring with at Jim. Jordan without getting pinned. You up for it or does your publicists say too risky? What is happening? What, happened was Ron Perlman in an argument with a representative from Florida through representative from Ohio at the Florida Guy and then a representative from Texas said Hey. I challenge you to a fight for ten thousand dollars with this other guy. This is incredible. I don't want to I. Don't want to gloss over the fact that I was slightly. Were this Ron Perlman thing mostly through his feud with Matt Gaetz. Because it one of the most incredible. In in twitter history that I'm a big fan of is. So Matt Gaetz Characterizes Ron Perlman as a racial justice warrior, who had no problem in Hollywood portray the white supremacist leader of a motorcycle gang. Obviously, tyrod has cared sons of anarchy also weird that Matt Gaetz capitalized White Supremacist Ano- are those proper nouns. Don't know. Maybe we should ask a member like him. but permanent responded by saying so true so rewarding playing an asshole on TV, tell me, sir, how is it actually being one? The, good, burn a very good. This is nuts I had. No idea escalated to this point. Oh, it goes so much further. It's amazing. Okay! Oh. I thought there was so that was that was the setup then and I I caught it midstream. Yeah! So apparently, if you do a little digging into Jim, Jordan, you would know why Ted Cruz bringing up. Around him as kind of a bad idea. I. Don't have the exact reason why and I can't. I can't move away from this article. That I'm reading to discuss it. Maybe I can do that accurate, but Ron Perlman responded to Mr Cruise. I tell you what teddy boy since mentioning Jim Jordan and wrestling is problematic. Why don't we say fuck him and just make it you and me? I'll give five fifty K., two black lives matter and you can keep all the. Money you are thinking of spending. Perfectly clear at this point now is. Correct me if I'm wrong is Ted is Ron? Perlman going to fight Ted Cruz Ron Perlman saying. Fuck the other guy that you brought in. I WANNA fight. You and I'll donate five times as much as you were going to donate to your charity to black lives matter. Let's step into the ring. The Texas senator replied I get it your rich, but apparently soft. You sure seem scared to wrestle, Jordan, who you keep insulting can't take the heat need to get a manicure. Weird, really weird, weird, weird reactions, who to being singled out in called out the step into the ring. You double down on. You sure seem scared to fight this other guy that brought into the fight. It's very funny to me because Ted. Cruz is the softest person. Like whenever he's campaigning around. Texas league wears a cowboy hat like these smoothie. Liberals I'm like dude. You're blob fish like. Human. This is a man who did not. Did Not defend his wife after the president insulted her to his face, and he wants to talk about being soft. I don't want to use any coded language that people in the alright tend to use, but he is kind of a psychological a psychological cuckold. Yeah I can see that I also like the use of the word blob because they look very similar. Yeah, no, he's a soft, a little, slimy asshole idiot. so Ron Perlman to this this need to get a manicure line. He responds Teddy Teddy. What kind of mother fucker offers the have another guy probably asleep at the time. Kick another guy's ass. Let's get back to Business Ted Jim Jordan too easy, just a little bitch, but you teddy you talk shit about new. York every chance you get my hometown. It's nursing home the hometown into it. Let's go Mojo. Unbelievable this great, because this is exactly the level of a verbal escalation that leads to a fight in real life, because the the justifications from what's about to happen, get thinner and fitter, also more intrinsic to the person's identity, talking about families and home tout's. It's good. It's so good, and of course it keeps going at the the the article I was reading does not cover the complete thread. But just yesterday tweeted out in response to no one. You know Ted. I've been giving this some thought. Leave Jim Jordan home, and give me ten minutes with you and Mitch McConnell. Let's see what else you motherfuckers can obstruct besides justice all we need the time place in a few emt standing by let me know. And then he added ten crews in added Mitch McConnell. I I. WanNa be clear that we live in very scary times. And there's a lot going on right now, but if I was able to see Ron Perlman, put his fist through Mitch McConnell's face. I'd be pretty happy now back in the day that win. Certain sports for more in Vogue Let's say boxing was one of them. we used to see these events from time to time usually held for charitable reasons, they were called celebrity death matches. They were friendly. Matches between two popular celebrities are to celebrities. People might WANNA see fight. And people would would pay per view in and the proceeds would go to charitable reasons and I'm saying in these. Times full of. Toldt as you said. I believe that's how you phrased it. Don't take my word slur. All I have A. I don't mean to take I'm just I'm spreading my love for your phrasings. And these times full of toll moult. Why not give the people what they want? We have had it where we're up to our necks and civil unrest. Throw a carrot on a stick to us. Just this once. Let us see Ron Perlman. Take on! Ted, Cruz and Mitch McConnell in the squared circle. That might just be wrestling. what are they? Call in the ring and the boxing ring? Let's see, let's see a megabits yuan. One I don't care. I WANNA see Ron Perlman box. These mother fuckers into the dirt. In Rhode Island but put their money where their mouth czar. Ron Perlman has the bone structure of someone who's indestructible. So, it would be very interested to see I think they could even make it a three on one. Oh you you Jim Jordan to be in there. I mean Jim Jordan. He seems like a real piece of Shit, because apparently asked people like cover up Blake. Sexual abuse allegations at Osu. Yeah. I just did the search to find out. What exactly the connection to wrestlers is and apparently six former wrestler say representative Jim. Jordan knew about abusive Osu. Doctor so apparently. Yeah, he might have slept swept some abuse under the rug. For the sake of wrestling, but put like Hannah Rand Paul in there or something I'll. I'll be fun. Would be real fun to watch. It's it's just. It's just true. That the party that is currently leading. The GOP is up of people who are ideologically. Very strong, but physically and presence wise in an imprint, much every way, a very weak and soft. They're basically like the kids who got bullied for wearing bow ties in high school, but the reason they really got bullied is that they call everyone slot? I mean unless you're one of the representatives who came directly from serving in our military. If. You're a career politician I. Doubt You could hold a candle to the physical prowess about a Hollywood actor who has to hold unrealistic beauty standards both male and female I am pretty sure like any. Any actress could also kick. Any politicians asked just because they're. They have to go through such physically demanding regimens to keep up with their their appearance in stuff. Okay, we could make it a three on two, but the Ron Perlman side has a tag team partner at he can tag out with Sir Show Ronin. Notice I think she could hold her own against Ted Cruz. Kill all of them, but really I think at that point it would be like a squash match just hanging out, so they can keep like double teaming their finishers on people right right. Yeah, I I think if you have the integrity in the bone structure of of an invertebrate fish. You can't call like I could see maybe if you if it's if Ted Cruz was tweeting at like I. Don't know I'm GonNa. Throw a name out like a Tom Cruise like a pretty boy, it actor. But this is Ron Perlman? Yet, this is someone who if you just saw him in the street? You would know not to fight him. Yeah, he? He was picked the play boy late. Who is a huge monster? Any. Him makeup like he doesn't see gi. It's body. Up for the arm I'm guessing and there was what was it beauty and the beast that show from the eighties where they picked on Prom and just because he is the person who looks the most like A. Monster, the fact that Ted. Cruz like Oh you're not so tough about your Hollywood. Make up like oh you mean the red body that they would put on me like Ron. Perlman doesn't get touched up to look better. He just looks like that. Ron Perlman would and will kill. Ted Cruz I hope here's. Something that we're seeing right now is in these really difficult times. People's levels are rising. They're getting more like spicy. And I hope we've reached the appropriate level of spice where I get to see Ron Perlman choke the life out of Ted Cruz. And you know. What was it? The Romans did the bread and circuses and tough times they they put a lot of money into giving people, food and entertainment. I'm not saying that the. Five hundred million dollars or billion dollars, the absurd amount of money that just went out into the economy with no transparency at all. I'm not saying a little bit of that shouldn't go to fixing this match between Ron. Perlman Ted. Cruz, give the people something to give them hope. I'm just heavily implying that. Maybe some of that weird elicit blood money that disappeared into the ether of CEO's pockets should have gone to ward setting up a match between Ron. Perlman Ted Cruz. Mitch, McConnell, insurance or Ronin. To give the people some hope. I'm GONNA be listen. I will make a genuine plea to the powers that be that listen to this podcast. I know that they do. Oh, yeah I, mean yeah. The the NSA agents assigned to both of us should in and pass this up to your superiors. You actually miss read that we're actually the only communication channel that's being monitored by NASA. Off the NSA all right, so the buff nerds at NASA, because I know you all work out in like some space chamber to get twice as strong as regular buff. nerds have very time chamber. Lift this message up. You Know Bench press this message out to your superiors so that I don't know. Elon Musk can set this up. But my genuine plead to NASA and all of those in power is I am very mad. I'm mad as hell. I don't know that I've. That I've ever been this mad about what's going on in the country on pretty much. Every level like I was, I was walking around today and I was having a pretty good day. It was making a smoothie. I just gone for a walk and a seared off into space. I thought idly for a second, and I said the words to myself I cannot fathom how evil this country is. Oh No, IT'S INSANE! I'm very mad, but I if you if you gave me a two thousand dollar a month stimulus check and you sacrificed Ted Cruz Mitch. McConnell and Rand Paul to Ron Perlman insertion. Ronin I might feel a little less mad. I would give anything to see any of these politicians who feed garbage line after garbage line about how? Things are supposed to be I would. I would give anything just to see them have to physically do something. Because, all they do is talk. About. How great they are! How great their decisions are out great. The grand old party is or out grade. The Democratic Party all they do is run their mouths and I WANNA see them run into the fist of Ron Perlman and door sir. Sha Ronin. Nothing in our system is great. We hopefully have all realized by now, but at least in the past are lunatic. Politicians would sometimes clash and kill each other on a sand bar. Sometimes, where'd where'd that go? I feel like when Thomas Jefferson stole a lot of the the constitution from the sulphur contract by the French philosopher whose name I can't remember right now. Russo Yeah risotto. What's his first name Shahada kind of Jacques? Cousteau You're thinking of. A famous detective? The payments Sharp Jeanrenaud. When Rene Discard? No. It's John Jock Rousseau. John Jack Russo when he first came up the social contract I really wish he had included a clause that said any representative from the government has to fight any representative who challenges them of the populace for everything you know like a One v one for all of the marvels like you gotta defend the government that be. or You gotta like move aside and let the people set up the government. They want I. Mean That's essentially what the social contract is. But I wanted to determine by one. We one fight boxing. You know not not with guns or swords or anything I want I want. I want judgment by the Gods in the rain between Ted Cruz and Ron Perlman. Give me this. Please just give me this. It's all it's. It's all I want Ya. People talk about like. If time travel invented what they do and they all I'd go kill Hitler I'd go sink the titanic, a purpose I would go back and just add. I would have to learn French I. But I would add just a paragraph to the social contract by John Jock, so that says Ron Perlman. beat the Faulk at a Ted. Cruz every polices. I. If if this is a pick, your fighter scenario might. I know my fighter going forward after the Ron. Perlman inaugural `bout If they want to send anyone after a sunken at a choose Kevin Lee that you have see fighter who knocked out that white supremacist, and that made it instagram captured that, said Bernie, Sanders, you bastards, he's. He's he's my pick. All right. I got you after Ron Perlman. Who will be of course dubbed King of the Dome and Sir Sharon tag team champions of the Dome. On the lurk looking for more fire between this this this feud between Perelman and crews and Mitch McConnell I decided to in Ron Perlman Ted Cruz, and the twitter, and here's a tweet. I found. Ted. Cruz, a forty nine year. Old Man is hiding behind Jim. Jordan a fifty six year, old man to avoid an ass, whooping from Ron Perlman, a seventy year, old man and Ted thinks that makes ron look weak ted. You haven't looked this week since trump called your wife ugly, and you kissed his ass as thanks, and that comes to us from at MED. Oh, I might just spell it. Any B. R. A. N. N.. A. N. Med Ranan. Okay, that's accurate. I just want to give credit since those were not my own words. But yeah, that's the situation that we're looking at two. Younger men. Against one seventy year, old man. There's no logic. Any more in the world. Logic is dead. Yeah pretty much I. I would agree with that. I it's just it's sad. It's sad when when when? We find ourselves looking into the face of insanity and all we can do is reporting on it. WHAT THE FUCK! Yeah you'd think people would have thought better of any of this at this point and I know there's a I mean. There's obviously a lot huger things going on, but I feel like this tweet. Exchange it capturing like facet of it. Where like you said people are. They're getting fed up. With the system and the system isn't doing anything to alleviate that, and this is happening a multiple fronts. This is happening on the black lives matter front and the police reform front, which are one and the same. It's also happening on the covid front, and now it's just happening across twitter at large. I really think that we're in a situation I. I really think that we're in. A psychological ideological pressure cooker I feel like pressures are continuously rising as a result of the global pandemic, because now people are are stuck inside all the time. Number of distractions are lower so were just faced. Every single day with the the naked fact of how evil and corrupt, the system we live in is, and that's making some people doubled down on defending that system, so they're becoming much more odious or are racist or fascist, and some people are doubling down on their hatred of that system and are getting more and more. Actively, like violently anti-fascist, which to be clear I support. Yeah, absolutely, Fascism never be supported at I Think, maybe from joking perspective that at times like this Ted. Cruz is facing all those backlash. He instant like immediately grabbed his phone in tweets out to the guy who made quickly like you're stupid. APP isn't doing its job. Your Apple Listen, we gave. We. Gave you all Epstein Money, so you'd make an absolute people would forget. What we are, we gave you the Epstein Money, so people would watch. People would watch the short TV shows instead of holding US accountable Wehbe. or like he hops on email and just quickly shoots WB message. What do you mean tenant was delayed again ten? It's the only thing that's GonNa going to distract people from how inept we are. You get you. Get Chris Nolan the bone. Did you see? Did you see how long game of thrones last and how? What we're just watching game of thrones, rather than caring about everything bad. That was happening in the country. We slept. We slipped in, but now it's over and people don't even talk about it anymore. We are going to have three sequels, so people wouldn't have to think about Shitty shitty country is for what are we have westworld? Only nerds watch westworld quimby. The I have several thoughts like. The twisted world that we live in where. DND The show runners for game of thrones, tank, the reputation and their career by making the finale suck. For the sole purpose of getting people to pay attention to wake up, it hurts nothing. Real Christopher Nolan move. Here telling me the twist and this this awful story that we're living in as they're actually the fucking heroes how a they're not the heroes we wanted here. It's. Because everyone kept, ask themselves in the game of thrones finale. Like why would anyone make this? It doesn't even make sense in and what they did. Is there actually genius show runners on storytellers because they made a final season that was bad, but also one that you could never talk about. Yeah, no like. The show was dead overnight and I guess a budget. People woke up the next day and say wait a second. Trump is president now? Where did that happen? I mean. In some Kinda shitty ways I feel like in the real world that is kind of flood a lot of people did they stop caring about the one thing they cared about on the L. and then of injuries endgame came out after that people care less about marvel movies, but you know who the secret hero is. Ron Perlman, but who? The the secret hero j.j Abrams. Be. Making. Oh, no, he made he. made the I made the only star wars movie that you didn't remember after you left the theater, and no one talked about he had the world in the palm of his hand, and then he let it go, so people could be one with the world again. He gave us the best resolution to star wars ever which is star wars on its deathbed slowly, let go of our hands, and we let star wars go, and now we have to live where the rebellion. In the popular NICKELODEON show Avatar. The last air bender. This might be mild spoilers for a show that is more than ten years old. There is a society of master benders in skilled people. Called the White Lotus. And they get together to ensure that balance. Is preserved a matter who the powers that be actually are. And so what you're proposing proposing, John. Is that very famous directors and show runners. Got Together and colluded so that all of their long go ongoing cultural movements that enthralled people so strongly either ended fizzled out into nothing all around the same time, a- perfect a perfect storm of having capturing an audience, and letting them out into the world with no more thoughts in their head, so they could finally see the world that they're living in clearly for the first time in decades. And the weird thing about this is, it makes perfect. God Damn said. And it all happened with. I mean give me another reason why all of the media. The last three years has been for the most part either a goodbye or a total disappointment. Yeah, no, only only endgame ended like well, and even then people still had some problems with the mechanics that goddess fair, but you're right game of thrones, one of the hugest cultural forces that we had seen in some time, probably since mash or friends fizzled out into nothing, overnight and star wars this big this big like the end of all nine seasons seasons. The end of the the Skywalker Saga like now the marketing putting like this epic. Saga and it was a total shit. Show a total nothing burger to quote to APP to co-op some language, eight. Miller makes a lot of sense that now. We come out of our Plato's cave blinking and shielding her eyes from the light and seen everything, not just the shadows on the wall, but seeing everything and this bright. Daylight and what realizing that Jesus, Christ? We need to care about Goddamn politics. Now makes so much sense and I hated. Thing ever all of these constructed realities because. They weren't immune. They were influenced by money that came out of the the weird governmental political vall, but now we're free. Pop, culture will never matter again and right win were supposed to have been ramping up all of these collective world's again. I say all of the like you know like marvel. Navy the game of thrones, Prequel that that was the blood and fire. Whatever the hell it was called. Right when like all of this buzz was about to start getting generated again and I think this this is less conspiracy and more to sort of like the hands or the whimsical. Cosmic fate cove, it happened, and none of the none of it could get started again. Like we for the first time, and at least the waking blinking hours of my life culture came to a complete stop, and so we had no choice but to pay attention. I think what I'm trying to say is J. J. Abrams, using his money from lost funded a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan to create of virus. I mean he's j.j Abrams. It's the ultimate twist. It's his biggest puzzle box. You've thought snow was something Oh. I think we cracked it. Yeah, I think we cracked it. The only thing I can't explain they're the people who think five G. caused everything. Oh their Let me see right. Okay, they're the. They're the real heads they know. Yet though there's this there's this common if you WanNa if you think. If you think that five G. is turning you trans or whatever? There's a way to beat it. They actually discovered a vaccine for five G. Five. It's Ernie Trans. Oh do tell. Maybe, our listeners could benefit. Yeah, if I one of the people who thinks that five G. is giving the corona virus and turning you trans. The vaccine is actually free for everyone. You just have to smoke five hundred cigarettes on our holy shit now. This is parody. Parody. Ever people get on public media, so they talk about doing using something as a vaccine. It's a parody. It's A. Don't take me seriously. Bear us. It's fair use creative Commons. It's transformative. We're transforming facts into entertainment. Yeah, we're transforming people who believe that five G. is evil into corpses. Look look. We're both just plain character Yet nothing we say or have sad or will say is serious because this is all a play. We just want to move our branded vitamin supplements. Honor Talk Show listen, we get heated sometimes, but what we're saying is not true because we are characters, we the people who have the exact same name and largely political beliefs as the so-called characters. We're real, but we do not make an appearance on radio or television shows exactly, and that's why you shouldn't take our kids away your honor. Don't take our kids away. We need our kids to sell supplements. How will people see Vir I'll? My son Shale is if they don't if he's not in my custody and I can give him my muscle enhancing mushroom supplements. no-one who watches our show believes were real. No one has ever they've sent us emails asking US questions, but they're all in on it and they're asking the characters questions. They don't think the answers to those questions are real. We might be too deep into our weird contextualized huber here. I think we might be talking too much about a friend of the city. Yes friend of the city. Alex Jones Pride of the Peaches Alex Jones. He can't get saying that will drink. Annul spit up my drink. Bless them. May he be an angel forever? Oh Man. So! I don't know how to put an end cap. All of that that we just said. Let Ron Perlman fight Ted crew. Please let Ron Perlman fight. Ted, Cruz also entered a feud, stayed there for a second did I. Tell people who thought five G. was able to smoke five hundred cigarettes in an hour. It's okay we covered it under fair use. Okay, good just as long as we're covered. Yeah, we're covered. Don't worry. Wrong. Sorry I, just had a five G. attack. Oh, no, I hope I hope you don't have the the five G. sickness now. I do have the five G. sickness. I have all of its symptoms gangrene. Gas I can't do this. I can't fucking do this anymore. I'm sorry I'm sorry I am sorry. I'm sorry I can't I? Can't I can't do this? Let's move on to. Other things showy, yes. John have. You ever wanted to own a robot, never really actually pretty much. Constantly I've a I might be one of those you know you have your typical kid archetypes. You have your dino kids. While it was a dino kid, you have your space. Kids I was actually pretty hard core space kid, but yet your robot kids I was definitely a robot kid. Okay so. Your your perfect show than was absolutely transformers beast awards that have no idea. Beast wars was my shit. God I am definitely familiar with beast wars. I even had like the toys and stuff. It was great, but the thing that always gets me about beast wars is that the good guys were all like animals and the bad guys were all dinosaurs coolest ones? Mega Tron was t-rex and like the show rudders. To One. optimus prime the gorilla to win. No, no, no, no, no, no I was one hundred percent on the side of the dinosaurs the entire time. Only now where I am in my life, can I realize that you're equally cooler cooler than t rexes, guerillas are really really cool, but. No cares about gorillas. Absolutely. Yeah, you know as an adult. I can appreciate the strength of a silverback gorilla, but as a child. If you told me gorilla vs Velociraptor, our T., rex, it's GonNa be the dinosaur I'm sorry. Why did they make the bad guys? Dinosaur? I will never understand I. I also have to make it clear that there were two things perfectly intersected with my three interests number one of course beast wars. Number two kind of the O. G. POWER RANGERS THEY AT L bots that were dinosaurs. To space to talk to Zora on those were my two things, the real letdown for power rangers for me. Is that the they have the MEKA's Lloyd's right like an they would always place. They were called swords. Had swords right -sorts yeah the MEKA's mcevoy. -sorts. They had these individual giant dinosaur robots correct. And every episode they would show them coming out of their the places where they were stored which we're, the swords were stored. Whatever country's government wasn't doing their job? I feel like he could see it from space. And so the purpose of the individual zords was to get to the battlefield as a dinosaur. And shortly after just become the MEKA's award. That always messed me up. Because I like the dinosaur robot better than the combined robot I wasn't it was always a clear Arca, the swords. I call it a three phase story telling structure I guess for the three phases the four phases I guess if any power Rangers, episode is the teens are made aware of an issue. Right. And then the teens show up to the issue typically since they were fighting parties or whatever. Was filmed in Japan, they do a transformation sequence before so they can go to the Japanese footage, so the structure begins, they fight puppies or on the ground. Yeah, they summon Zords. Exactly step two is the. Fight or show up in general, or they summon them to get to the thing if the monsters already big yet. Okay keep you. Also. It's worth noting at one point when he steps one and two a reader, Repulsa or Zad depending on where you are would write the monster, big or make my monster grow as repulsive would say yet. They would fight potty. Slash the monster of the week. Who is humanoid sized and that's episodes were always with the monster of the week had like a thing like he was pollution, man or hypnotism man, where like interact with people at bone, skull, bone and Scott Bulk and skull. I'm everything wrong today, and then they would. Show up phase to the Zorn's never really did they find? This is this is my problem. I think they kinda fought sometimes, but it was not worth. The varkey was fighting. I totally understand where you're coming from. And then of course phase three is. They realized that the -sorts can't do it a shocker. The swords can never do it and they. They have to form into a mega sword. And See I. Get I get the mega zone. I get the symbiotic Titan. I. Get the Voltron I. get the appeal. Of multiple robots, fusing into a more powerful robot powered by team were I did it. My problem is that I. Like the Individual Dinosaur robots more than I liked the MEKA's award. So did you have the powering ranger toys as a kid? I had a lot of beast war toys. I WanNa, say maybe. No I didn't really ever have any of the toys. The power interest toys so I was obsessed with the Zorba Toys. Because you get the little individual things, but then they would transform can you could combine them into the thing? Yeah I'll. Obviously, that's the whole gimmick and it ruled. It was my favorite thing in the world. The little stores were way more fun to play within the mega swords rate, because they had more points of rotation, the mega swords, typically sometimes they would have legs that would move up and down. Typically not usually the arms would just go to three sixty could turn the head. Usually, there was like chess stuff, but the little -sorts were always the most fun part. Yeah, because that you could do more with them because they could move. Whereas maybe maybe the Meka's urban have a cannon with like A. A projectile that you push a button on the arm shoot Oh. If you were lucky, dude! If you're lucky. Wow, now that man I remember the show Gun Mega Sword. It's head was a crane. The pink ranger was a crane. I remember the move. No, yeah I remember the movie where they had the power up their swords or get new swords, because the dinosaurs were were were gone, and so they got these Ninjas. zords NAP. Were all like there's there's the frog the crane like they were animals. And the the worst thing about the show got mega toy was the pink ranger was just a crane? Who is like Anna the size of? A quarter very small. That's handball. The head went on by. You would put it on, and then extend the wings, and they go into these thin ridges so that if you've played with the Shogun Mega to which the head would just fall off, what can bullshit design as that that that sounds really awful that sounds? Really terrible nothing beats the original. Mega Zoro anyway what we're talking about Oh, also you can't. You can't talk about your beast wars, and your your zords very confused with. Zoidze by the way if you know always I, that's where I. I was voids. Person 'cause. That was also a good cross section of robots in animals in people in them. And you also can't get confused with your big bed beatable works. Net that never saw it. Never saw big bad be lorgues never saw that in Samurai pizza cats never saw I was a big fan of both we should really move on Okay street sharks. Also big features any ensemble show where I think it was all born in my love of teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, so any ensemble like color-coded team, the gut together to solve our problem I was onboard for also typically, there was a little bit of like. Weird Nineties Oriental Ism, and most of the whatever yeah I mean if we observe it from a lens of the cultural of aware that we have, there's probably some very problematic issues I just WanNa say I liked when the Green Ranger became the the the white ranger and had the DRAGONZORD. Sword. It was so cool. The dragonzord shows up because the Green Ranger's like he's not evil, but he's like Kinda neutral. Yeah, course is guy is Tommy. And eventually he becomes the White Ranger and he gets that lions Zord thing and it's a whole different transformation, because that's his Gandalf, the grey to Gandalf transformation of he goes through his trial, and now he's totally good at on everyone's side, and in fact, he is the most powerful member of the team. I. It's Amazing Hannity, a Japanese RPG trucks introduced tube through power rangers but I just want to say. He was cool because his sword could do stuff. Like. It would eventually become part of the neck absorbed, and they would power up even more, but like his dragons order lions, or would actually fight on its own I and be cool. Unlike the triceratops in the PTERODACTYL, we just instantly become the arms like. Of the DRAGONZORD, ruled. That we're rockets, and it's chest opened up. There was a laser thing. Third. I have a lot of power Rangers Memories, but if you had the the Mac, the Zord, the original one, and then you bought the dragonzord. The dragons or opened up and rested on top of the mega the built it, so they both worked. It was crazy. They were some real thought. Put into these children's toys of the past. I don't know what children's Toys R. Like now because I, not a child. But I have to assume that the toys of the past might be better. Yeah I used to be a big toy guy until I was like twenty, two an ano. Toys of the past always seem better because you had them when you could truly enjoy them. Ever, since ever since college, where at the move every year, I really am not as big on the physical thing. Kind of thing you know. I mean sitting at my childhood home right now. There are multiple generations worth of power ranger toys. And I might get them and keep them in like storage unit I. Know, I've always everything's giving fight. My mom to not throw my My huge collection of Nintendo power's because like I. Want Them I want to keep them because that's what I did. As a child I. Read About Video Games. Yeah, it's a if only the things we had weren't so bull. Yeah, so I'll repeat my question. Have you ever wanted to own a robot? Oh yes. We'll cool. Because now you can Boston Dynamics will now sell any business. Its own spot robot for seventy four thousand dollars, seventy, four five hundred dollars, weighed seventy four thousand five hundred dollars. Is this the weird one? That sounds like bees and you can't kick over. The four legged robot spot that I I'm guessing that sounds like these. It's other colored yellow and black south. When it walks. Have you ever seen the big dog video I've seen them kick it. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah! It's a hefty price tag equal to the base price for a luxury Tesla Model S, but Boston Dynamics says for that money. You're getting the most advanced mobile robot in the world able to go pretty much everywhere, a Human Gan, as long as there are. No ladders involved us, so does that mean I can have it Kerry me to work much like my Tesla. You have a tesla. I. Don't know much which I don't know how much you can carry I. Don't know if they've ever said that I think it's supposed to be autonomous and not like a like a vehicle. So the shame is of the robots. The Boston Dynamics has I would always wanted the Cheetah. Is the Cheeto with the one that can run fast. It is a robot that can run thirty miles an hour and jump. My favorite my favorite of Boston Dynamics robot is it's a? It's a small one that can like. Jump up buildings. Have you seen that one? I have not. It's like small, but all I can do like what they've programmed to do. Is scale like? Stories of a building at a time in a single leap and I'm not entirely sure what the practical uses, but I like that one. The only thing that I would want the spot robot for is for my post apocalypse. SPEC script where someone walks around the post apocalypse, but their dog companion I legend like is the Boston Dynamics spot robots. It could be a real companion to Ya. Also allied I don't want Cheetah I want atlas, which is their humanoid one that can carry boxes and walk upstairs Oh. No I I think I've seen. Yeah I've seen that one. That's the one that I feel like empathy for because. It's five. Pete, all I guess I also feel empathy towards dogs, but I guess my dog robots. Now it's it's worth noting in the future twenty years from now. When an atlas and a Cheetah are forcing us all. Point to sit in a movie theater with our is held open with the with metal devices to hold her eyelids open. They will show us on Lou videos of US kicking the spot at the Ad Cheetah and the we will understand why the future has gone this way. In the future when the robot rebellion uprising happens, I just picture them like knocking us and like Ha. It's hard for you. Stay Upright isn't. Like. Killing people, their dislike getting them in lines pushing them and say stay upright. Stay up! Yeah because we never killed robots for fun. They just make us hold empty boxes that have like twenty five pounds worth of free weights in them as we walk upstairs while they throw objects at US deceitful, follow over. Yet not yet they put us through all of the same like practices and and learning algorithms that they went through, and they're like. Why can't you learn oh? Are you inferior like they measured fury already by by by us, not being able to fill the same rudimentary tasks that they can jump up this building. Come on. Is this is this a good premise for a short story? I feel like Margaret Atwood would have a field day with this post robot revolution. It's the stories of humans have been selectively bred to do certain tasks to improve other to impress other robots like this selectively breed people who are really good at walking up stairs to be look we. The robots have developed a human. That's really walking upstairs. Let's. Here at robot dynamics. We have one thing that we want to do. And that's improved. Humans for specialized tasks. Take our stare. Just a person like huge cavs and leg. Whatever is whatever muscles are could climbing stairs? In, like a really white light, you know nothing body, and it's just like it's body is like flailing. Every step it takes, but it can climb the stairs well. If if you're not merely writing this down to pitches Netflix's pilot, you are missing out. This is the next season of black mayor that that guy who says season six were living right now is to afraid to right. Yeah. I like to call him a coward. He's a coward. Because the future is here, it's Boston dynamics, robots uprising, taking over and making humans do the same task that they were supposed to do. Agreed. Movies robots. Death I liked the idea of a I like it rebels. But it only has the level of intelligence that we could program like it's not self learning so that it's rebellion is really really dumb. Yet, because there is that Fairly famous example for if UNAI, I had a predictable model live reality and told to collect paperclips. Obviously, the first thing that would do is kill all humans because it would impede its ability to get paper clips. told it to get bigger clips, but it didn't have a predictable model of reality. That all it does is all it does go to staples a hundred times a day and buy one box paperclips. The spells out like fuck you with the paper Clinton. This system robot rebellion. It's using the paper clip. The communicate its message and. Do, you remember. There was a movie in the early two thousands cult stealthy remember. Wait now I do is this this? Is this the one about the stealth? Gets like since yes, there is a it's an incredible premise because they put the world's most advanced ai into a stealth bomber, right? I feel like it's done by the same team that did like the core in sunshine. It is not unlikely, but you would imagine that the premise of that is they put a an extremely advanced stealth bomber, and then the a I starts to get smarter. Exactly yeah wrong. The. Works as intended, but then it gets hit by lightning. So. It's a freak accident that makes it goes yes. It is I, believe perfectly normal and operate, but then they said what's the inciting incident? That would make an I N. smarter which is gets hit by lightning. And my favorite line of everything in stealth is. They say this is strange. The the is downloaded songs. Now because this is in the height of like Napster and The birth of like downloads. which songs dramatic pause all of them? So, they're not, they're not. They're not worried about the getting access to the Internet in the collection of human knowledge present. They're they're worried that. All of I tunes has been down. There it's so good I. I would recommend that anyone watch those two movies from the early two thousands to one word title movies. I recommend everyone number one is stealth. By the way stealth apparently is directed by Rob Co, director, the first, fast and furious. Amazing and the second one is torque. Never heard of that one. Out Torque is fast and furious for Crotch, rocket motorcycle, racing people fight in motorcycles, they use motorcycle martial arts. Please see torch. Because I've hiccup up some are. Oh No, that's fine. those are the two things. Why is there a featured technologies list on the wikipedia entry for stealth? do you see John, it was a groundbreaking fell one. It beats. You're the entirety of the capability of napster. It's crazy because they say feature technologies. That's just a list quantum computer, artificial neural network, artificial intelligent in the category of airplane technologies pulse detonation engine scrammed jet fee toll aero. Aero elastic control surfaces EDU CAV the Sukhoi. S You thirty seven? The bowling FAA eighteen e F Super Hornet. What are you talking about? Who wrote this? One of the weird side effects of the freedom of Information Act John, and this is one hundred percent correct one hundred percent. A real thing is that certain branches of the military have been working very closely with Hollywood for years. To Fund projects that feature certain things for I don't know the reasons, because that's not in the documents that slight conveniently redacted, but certain branches of the military after working for Hollywood. Hollywood to make movies sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if stealth. was funded entirely by a research and development team was like we have a kid technology on the map. And so all of the technology in the wikipedia article is actually coming from like a afraid of Information Act to document details. This is what we want you to fill in stealth. The might be by Rob Reiner. Rob Cohen. Wrong wrong rob. I cannot I also cannot stress. I cannot stress. HOW INCREDIBLE THE SOUNDTRACK TO STEALTH IS! Do you know who wrote? And recorded the original soundtrack. Two Stealth I'm gonNA throw the name. And that name is vanilla ice. It is the vanilla ice of the early two thousands. It is by a little rock band called incubus awake incubus. How quaint! so the soundtrack of stealth just to give you a teaser will give anything away. It is a series of original incubus songs and dance to the music by sly in the family stone. Eileen when you have access to all of the music in human history what comes to mind first, but sly and the family stone. I The ninety were. Mistake. Please if you see any movie that came out in two thousand five. Make it stealth. Yeah, if you if you have time this summer to watch one movie that came out in two thousand five. Make it stealth. Starring Josh Lucas Jessica Biel Jay Fox. Sam Sheppard Oh. Joe Morton! and Richard Roxburgh knowing. Anyway I've talked enough about stealth. While I feel like we got a lot of that random question I had in the fact. That Boston Dynamics is now known. There's spot I I feel like there's nowhere else for that conversation ago. That's. Yet. We talked about these words. We talked to help power rangers. We talked about still these are all of the places I thought we were going to go from the question. John. Have you ever wanted to own a rope on it. I'll be honest with you. Until I heard that question, I had not been as excited about power rangers or the two thousand and five movie stealth in the maybe fifteen years while. I Okay I have a beast worse thing. Want to cover this real quick 'cause I. Don't a lot of the toys right and I would catch the show when I could what toys I owned? Was A crawfish. Oh Yeah I had that one too yeah, yeah, McKee at little daggers that came out of his claws. Who was that? It was like CRAWDADS C clamp. Maybe. C clamp, but Lab. I don't know, but you remember there being like a crawfish beast wars transformers correct. Absolutely I owned it I'm GonNa, link you to a picture of it. was He ever all the show? I don't. Believe that he was yet. It was called C clamp was. Was this, some weird regional targeted margining I mean I grew up in Louisiana so across for me makes a lot of sense for there to be. Like an animal version of that as a robot and I assume you any I know you're not from Mississippi, but did you. You grew up in Mississippi right. Yeah, I grew up in Mississippi, but I I was born in New England, so I actually got See Klama Nazi clamp. He got some seek clam chowder. Yeah, it was, it was actually a co Hog clam with this. Old. Yeah, I know. C clamp when I see him. But I had seen clam, which was a co Hog clan with intense internalized racism ono. Holy Shit US found in like Spurs goddamned try. man, he was never shell, right. I. Really don't believe that he was because. This is the beast wars, transformers, Wicca, and it does not mention. Any of him. Being his beast mode is does not mention him being in the show, the funny thing is It mentions him being a lobster, but because he was, he was Brown. I always pictured him Beena crawfish. Yet does not appear as though. Is that I own? C, clamp, though so I know where you're coming from. I also own clamp. He was one of my favorites. Okay. So I'm happy that we both shared seek clamped at. Shared experience. Some unfortunate news for you all know what happened. After the time warp wavefront was detected entering cyber, trone and space. General C clamp sent agent ravaged track the wave back to its scores, giving him the secretly developed trains cruiser, a meeting of the trip Redac- as council was then called the discussed the fact that transport wave had been matched with the energy signature of the dark side. That is the. Only appearance of C clamp the cartoon. Okay, so that would explain why I would always try to catch these tours. I didn't have a concept of light shows commodity specific times because I was I was a kid. I was as a kid. I was really dumb as a dumb kid. So I the episodes I was always catch would never have c clamp in it. It's ours I just thought. Maybe it was like some weird regional targeted marketing. Yeah Yeah. Louisiana would enjoy a crawfish beast, wars transformer, but apparently C clamp. Can combined with Ram Horn and sees dot com. To form tripper DACAS. Interesting I I. Don't think I ever owned any of those. Now me the only one I owed like c clamp, but I think I had the optimus prime and the. The Mega Tron yet! I had optimus prime as a guerrilla. Like a shiny guerrilla. And then C clamp, who was my favorite battle? Everything else I owned. Because he had those cool dagger that came out of the ends of his claws. Like you would, you would flip them up. I thought they were daggers. projectiles, goanywhere, but No absolutely C. clamps. I also had boom the baboo. You're you're at a minor league, my friend? I don't know beast wars rule, though let's ELSOM. I. Am happy that we both are aware of no of it. It's. There's two stances I wanNA. Make official for Zero Credits Canyon, number one. Beast wars existed was good number two. It's It's always fuck Donald Trump. Should Count me a little of guard. So the two axioms of zero credits, the two zero credits axioms are number one. These wars existed in was cool. On number two. It's always fuck Donald Trump. Yeah, it's always fuck. Donald Trump, those are the two nothing about this podcast has been real so far, but those two things are real. Yeah Yeah, those are the actual to first entries into zero Credits Canyon. Did God damn it. About I genuinely said Kanaan Canon. It's. Hanan now is canyon. The. Funny thing is I picked up on that and I was thinking of it. Ended my head was like. Don't say Canyon because Johnson, Canyon and data made the Canyon. It is it. Is Canyon Canyon. And Zero it's canyon there, but two things these wars and fuck at Real Donald Trump. Yeah, that's it. And I think that's the moral of the story of this episode. That has that is mounted winded. Wayne did waxed and owned. All stages of the Moon Yep. My favorite stage of the moon is the wounded moon. My favorite one is the of the Jesus. Oh Yeah. Yeah, the GYP. GIBBERISH waxing. No I I'm aware yeah, it's the one where the if you look at it. You turn into a giant. APE Monster a tale. I guess monkey monster in that case, and your power levels increase billion fold. Yeah. It's a canon. Canyon, it's Canyon. Yeah. They always fought and cannons yeah yeah. All right did actually the these are typically fighting like weird canyons. Everyone fights in canyons. There's a so let's destructible landscape there. Gene we have to get away from the city. We don't want to kill the surveillance. Let's go to the national park full of. Could, let's go to Zion National Park. We're too close to Las Vegas. Let's go to Zion National Park. It's the only safe place incredible all right. This episode has been a trip and we have taken you through the current twitter, happening and also beast wars, and that's really what we wanted to take you. When we set off on this journey, so I think now is about the time where John says the episode should end. That's right. Henry the episode should end. And so me Henry, I'm GonNa, take you through. The social media plugs this week because this John's turned to edit right. That's right. Yup I love how we always do this in front of the fans. It's. It's the bet it's like when your parents discuss money in front of you. It's the best the best and if you WANNA send us the best. Here's how you can do so you can send us a tweet. On twitter. At Z. C. P., C. W. H. J.. And John knows what that stands for. But stands for. Power. That's right John. 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In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale

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"The time powerful sorcery when Ben or objects maybe Pune with wondrous capabilities welcomed. Now playings in the name of the king. Retrospective series are kingdom. Our existence is threatened from without you have been brought here as the prophecy has decreed part of now playing video game movie review series. Why did the Gods failed? Why hosted by army. He was stopped by all until until the dark once rows Justin. He's known for his hasty opinions. And Stuart must be the warrior they all talk about this podcast may contain detailed plots boilers and harsh language not listener discretion is advised. All right. Let's get to it today. We're discussing in the name of the King a Dungeon Siege Tale starring Jason Statham Leelee Sobieski. Ron Perlman John Rise Davies clear for Lonnie Matthew Lillard. Donald Location Will Sanderson Tanya Salt ner Brian J white with the Ray Liotta and Burt Reynolds Turtle no circle. Who's more out of place here? Lillard or Reynolds. We'll discuss directed by movable this is the now playing podcast host who feels like he's trapped in a dungeon movables Dungeon Arnie Stewart. And this is Justin. I'm just here to figure out what these actors did. Or what type of Bet. They lost end up in a movie like this. They got paid. It's worth asking. Has the problem been all along that they didn't have enough budget house of the dead they had to make do with twelve million postal cost fifteen million and alone in the dark twenty million that. Maybe just Uber Vision requires more. This movie is going to cost sixteen million dollars. I don't know why it looks like a Hollywood squares. Wrap Party medieval tie but he just for the record. It made thirteen million international under five here in the state. Great Evens a hundred and twenty million on a sixty million budgets. Let's start with the property. Itself Dungeon Siege Gauntlet. Yes dockery needs food. Badly Dragon slayer adventure. Even there are dungeon crawl games. I know in love. When did this come in two thousand and two? I was at the peak of my game infatuation. I was running the Review Games website. I went to the game developers conference which this year sounds like it may be cancelled for Corona. So I'm stuck here getting you bola instead but well done sir. One of the big games that I played a lot with my friends was Diablo. Which is a dungeon crawl game? Where you pick your character class you mentioned gauntlet and gauntlet could be seen as kind of the root for all of this. You go into a Dungeon Jackie slash. You heal yourself. I mean they get far more complicated than gauntlet and warrior needs food. But it's all basically that roleplaying games right. It's all dungeons and dragons as translated computer and Video Games. And that's what a dungeon crawler is. Except when I played final fantasy that felt like dungeons and dragons literally because it was turn based combat. You're like I cast this. Yeah yeah in the Dungeon Crawl Games. It's hack and slash and not all of them are medieval. My favorite dungeon crawl game of all time is marvel ultimate alliance now. I'm a marvel. Zombie all admit but take marvel. Outta that game it could be South Park ultimate alliance. That's a fun game. It is a wonderful game. But it's the same thing you're just going through and there's hordes of enemies and you're just mashing buttons and using spells and things to take down dungeon. Siege is one of those. I remember coming out. I didn't buy it at the time. I was aware of it. It was a fairly new development company gas powered games. I'd read interviews with them because I read every single interview with game developers that I could get my hands on to get insight into into what I wanted to be my career and you know when it came out I read the reviews. I went back and checked the reviews. And everybody's laying. The Oslo sounds like the gold standard. And this was one of those that maybe had one or two nuanced differences from that was but was more or less. Rip-off is that fair to call it. It's in the same genre. I hate to use the word. Rip Off because there's a lot of games like Diablo. Diablo was not the first nor the last. But yes it may be the best and once you create a huge game like that. There's a lot of hangers on. I mean once you have doom and quake you're going to get a lot of redneck rampages and Texans. You know what I'm saying. So yeah you're chasing after the money because obviously a game that popular. Yeah even if you get a third of that and I think this was a modest hit but again sixty million dollar movie. Maybe sixty million dollars inflating that. That's not a lot of money compared to Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I mean he would have a lot more than that for an installment of that. But it's a lot of money to throw it a property. Nobody has that much feeling about with games like the minute. I see a menu where I'm managing my inventory. I'm out you know I just. I don't play those type of games. That was one of the big things in this game that they tried to take away from Diablo. They all love Diablo visit. There was too much inventory management. So in this game you get a pack mule so you could just have a huge inventory of stuff but I did this game for the first time as lead up to this review if our listeners are familiar with steam. It's a platform kind of like I tunes for Games. They have virtually every game on their. Here's the trick with steam at this pissed me off. I didn't realize it until buying a two thousand two game that was made for windows. Xp Year maybe even windows me and trying to play it on my windows. Ten Machine Steve will happily sell you the game. They don't promise it's going to work so I spent about two to three hours. Reading online tutorials and stalling frame rate limiter software. It all this shit just to get the game to play and then when I finally got to play I'm Linden. It's fun it's fine. You know I played through few hours of gameplay probably a little bit longer playing the game than I spent trying to get the game to work and it's perfectly acceptable. You know it would be much more fun to play with friends where you can do that online. You can have a team where the three of US could be on there and what it did. That's very interesting. Is your character in Diablo. You're like I'm gonNA play a wizard. I'M GONNA play a fighter. This you start off as a farmer I was about to say. Are you a turn up farmer? Okay so you are. The farmer has no name. Because it's whatever you choose to name your character okay and as you play you pick. What class of character you are based on your actions so if you fight more with swords you become a fighter if you start using spells you become a magic user and that kind of thing. I did watch some stuff online too. I watched all the cut scenes because I didn't have time to beat the game but I got to watch all the cut scenes to see the story of the game. It's almost not there. There's almost not a story is just these things siege the town and you have to go and fight them and go underground and try to get a sector from some goblins and then go and fight the bad guy. It's like Diablo. Had A lot of atmosphere. It didn't have a lot of plot either but man when you played Diablo two and three. I felt like I was in this Medieval world with realistic non player characters. And just immersed me this. I don't feel ever got there. I didn't play two or three. I did read. That too was somewhat problematic. Three was not very good because it was actually made for both windows and xbox and playstation as of the game mechanics were totally different and not very good because of that. But that's all you have. I mean again much like with King of fighters. I'm like why Dungeon Siege. There were only two games out by the time this was done. Though we all know how Oval Works and people come to him and he's like sure I'll I'll make whatever into it and I'll exploit all the people while I'm doing it and lose money and make money personally. I mean yeah. He's con artists. That calls himself a filmmaker and I had the fortune of not only watching the long kind of this movie but also seeing again with the director's commentary and what he talked about with the trouble he had about adapting this game was. It's a top down perspective. You're never very close to the characters like it's for the creative screenwriter to suddenly fill in a whole lot of blanks and we all know at this. Point had ball is not detailed oriented. He is not going to spend the time to develop character and create this Kingdom of. I was amused because the way the dungeon siege game starts as you're farmer and you're out on your farm at up comes old Norwick. Who In this movie is played by Ron Perlman and Nora is telling you oh we're under attack and then just dies right there and now he's telling you go to the castle and help save the King Dome and I'm like well you brought in Newark and you're brought in the Kingdom of ADB? I also want to point out to isn't even the Kingdom of Ab. It's just like completely unrelated except for game play. I think dungeon siege. Three does the same thing so here this movie and I assuming the sequels I haven't seen yet are all really based in the world of Dungeon Siege. One Okay and so obviously we keep talking about a video game but we all know what will was really chasing here token Lord of the rings that add just one all the Oscars and the feeling was that fantasy was viable in a way that had never had been on film before. And Yeah if you throw a little money at it you can really get a whole lot of money. Back part of the reason why they were spending sixty million on this was they thought this was going to be two films. He thought that he was actually gonNA break it into two and tell it episodically and normally you know when you're doing that you write that into the script right you like okay. This is where the brakes can happen. No they filmed a bunch of shit and then in the editing room. They actually said you know. We don't have a cliffhanger that separates one from two. We'll just make two different cuts so there will be the atra. Google cut which is just at the fleet two hour and seven minutes or when you finally get it on. Dvd You could hang in tight for the two hour. Forty two minutes thirty five minute longer. Uncut director's vision as it were and that is what I sat through twice. I don't know what you guys did who I don't know if I could handle another thirty five minutes of this on celluloid. I sat through the regular over to our version. Yeah it's still too long but the strange thing is I wasn't than watch it a third time to compare the theatrical uncut. There are sites on the web that will do that for me. As you can imagine mostly it was just elongated scenes. There are no subplots removed. There are nothing about the shorter version that you aren't going to get longer in that. Nearly three hour cut. So you're just seeing it go on long but there's maybe one or two details. I can bring up as we go through this plot but more or less. The shortest experience in movable film is the Best Experience. I think we all know that by this point. I couldn't find this digitally and so I picked up the in the name of the king. Three Movie Blu Ray sets that had all the bonus features and everything and I only had that cut to watch and it was the two hour forty minute one and I was wondering if some of the subplots of things were cut out of the other one. You're telling me no it's pretty much the same but just more of it. That seems to be the case there. Are you know maybe a dozen brand new scenes but for the most part every scene that goes on three or four minutes longer in this uncut and you know what for all uncut? I didn't see any bubis. I didn't see any blood. It's all. Pg Thirteen and yeah. I don't feel like you get anything more out of the longer cut except forty two minutes robbed out of your life that you know already. What do you do it? And you're watching bull. They do call it. The unrated director's cut and I didn't see what would be unreal couple scenes of blood very minor. Blood is that extended. I didn't know. Yeah one of my favorite things because I had to watch all the features I that Straw but the behind the scenes diary is really good because it's just raw video with no sound. They couldn't even afford to like Mike. People just watching the actors mill around on the set in Vancouver and I kid you not the actress. That's playing salona Jason Stephens. White at one point. She's holding a script and you can see very clearly mouthing the words. This doesn't make sense standing next to Bali in who we've seen. He's in all of ables movies. He's the uncle character. That was the star of House of the dead. And he's just kind of staring off in the distance as she's ranting and ranting just thinking chick. There's nothing you can tell me. I came from house of the day. I was a little disappointed when I read this. Cast list that there was no Yudo clear and there is no Clint Howard I also got to listen to the director's commentary. Which is just trolling. It's just straight up. Ova Bowl I kid you not. We hear him bringing his dogs in from outside and playing with his dog he answers to cell phone calls from his agent about his next film far cry and he leaves her thirty minutes and comes back. Eating a slice of cake quotes to survive. I need to survive. I have to eat cake. You know. Obviously the ban knew that there was nothing to say artistically about this film and so we have to do the hard work. He was unwilling and talk about this plot. Jason Statham plays a man known only as farmer lives peacefully in the Kingdom of EBB WITH HIS WIFE. Salona and their sons F. One day the Kingdom is invaded by the Supernatural Krug. The beast kills F. and takes Alanya hostage king. Conrad played by Burt Reynolds. I love it my favorite thought. He could never look worse than strip tease. I was wrong but so good. King CONRAD ASKS CITIZENS TO JOIN THE ARMY TO BATTLE THE KRUG. But farmer goes to rescue his wife accompanied by his brother-in-law bastion and his old friend. Newark played by Ron Perlman. The Kings Magus or magic user is Merrick played by John Rice Davies. He suspects foul play and stays at the castle to investigate. Sure enough. It's Evil Magus. Galleon played by Ray Liotta because every medieval piece of film needs gangster. He does the ray LIOTTA LAP like every seat. I just love it. It looks like he's still in Goodfellas. But Yeah we're in this year huffy sleeves and all it's great evil. Maga's Galleon is masterminding the Krug attacks he's seduced Merrick's daughter. Maria played by Leelee Sobieski at from their sex he was able to steal. Some of America's Magic Galleon is conspiring with the Kings spoiled nephew. Duke fallow played by Matthew. Lillard who wants the throne for himself? The sounds like we're playing mad libs just so so depressed that Freddie Prinz never shows up maybe the sequel galleon poisons the king and fallow was blamed. So the Duke takes an Army Legion tells them. The king is betrayed and tries to take over but merrick cures the king upon seeing the Lord Alive follows troops abandoned him farmer tries to save his wife. Nora is killed and Bastian is captured and farmer is rescued by Merrick. Who knows a secret? Farmer is really named Camden Con. Read the Kings lost son when fallow succeeds in murdering the king with an Arrow to the chest? The Duke believes he's next in line for the throne until farmer's direct lineages revealed and fallow was killed by the king's guard for his treachery but Galleon is still out there with his crew. Planning more attacks. So King farmer leads an army to attack aided by Merrick and his daughter Maria whose own magic powers have grown merrick fights galleon and is killed then farmer tries to kill the evil wizard but farmer sword is no match for galleons magic until Morella sneaks up behind Galleon and stabs him in the back killing him without galley and controlling them the crew retreat. The Kingdom is saved. Farmer is reunited with his wife and rules over EBB. Is there kind king and credits roll? I wish I could see of all the behind the scenes footage who've abol pitching actors. Can you imagine him like you're going to be playing orphan named boy and you grow up to play farmer named farmer? Do you want to do it or not? And Lebron Jason Stay. Them was not his first choice. He said neither one of them really wanted to do it. But when Jason realize he could do martial arts. He came aboard his number. One choice was Kevin Costner and he was very mad that they couldn't close a deal with Robin Hood because quotes Kevin would only do it for the money. He wouldn't really be behind it for the art of it. You mean he won't repeat the mistake of nine ninety-one Robin Hood Prince of the to his credit. That movies great. I don't know what you're talking about but it's terrible. Oh it's awesome awful. We'll discuss sometimes but I have to ask. We talked about sixty million but I'm watching. This cast list come up as I'm watching this movie. I mean I knew Jason State that was on the cover but almost every person in here is an actor who I have liked in something else. Even Matthew Lillard has his moments. I mean Burt Reynolds John. Rice Davies from Raiders of the lost Ark and as well as some great Shakespeare on stage and the show sliders Leelee Sobieski from deep impact. I mean this cast assembled together could make an amazing film. Tarantino would hire this cast diverse and eclectic enough that I could see Tarantino hiring every one of these people to be a movie set in the Twentieth Century or the twenty first century. Absolutely I mean the idea that Burt Reynolds is the king is such a joke that I never get over. It is attorney hilarious. What kind of Sassari is going on here? That's the best part is he'd never commits to the roar. He's just burt reynolds in a king costume. All I could think of was nor McDonald's. Burt Reynolds on celebrity jeopardy. Because that's about the performance. Were getting for chewing the gum and own dying. Now it's opportunistic. People had holes in their calendar and Saul paychecks and hadn't become a thing yet when they started filming. This it was two thousand five. Most people had to hurt of house of the dead load in the dark hat and come out. There was no notoriety to working with this guy yet. You just knew that they were making some Shit Lord of the Rings Rip off and they were GonNA pay probably too much money to do it. So why not and. That's what it feels like. Everyone is just like why I definitely could pay off a house or a car with this. I get it. So that's why you sign on and yes Kevin Costner's alone and not wanting to commit to the artistic merit of playing farmer and this again it's a game in and of itself. That didn't have a story line. It's just people walking through a forest killing things. And so what is this story going to be? What is the quest this token? What is this about? It's about selling turnips. As I think how. This wonderful quest begins the very first seen. It begins with something I never want to see. Which is Ray Liotta giving pillow talk? Well I mean we've seen it before but yes I don't know what to make of it. It's a strange moment in which every Kisii takes from legally Sobieski is making some like Tolkien valley somewhere learn. It's called Christ wind hold at some point burn. It's like with every kiss like it's on fire more. I don't know what's happening. It's clear that like his cheeks are like turning purple and they knee and so it's telegraphing the idea that she's magical and he sucking her power but to do what I don't know okay. That was a special. I just thought Ray Liotta aged four lake. Then no I. I believe that was. Cgi Work there good CG. I thought it was real. I thought it was sclerosis. I I think there's a lot of good. Cgi IN HERE. We can talk about it when we get to stay with them. Just to set up Jason State them because I wanted to know where he was in his career at this point. Yeah I mean. I knew I'd seen him in lock stock and snatch way back when when that kind of lost track of him. You know Italian job but this is after the first crank which I really love and the same year as death race and transporter three. Well don't get confused. This came out in two thousand and eight but it was shot in two thousand five so I actually met them at the press. Junket four crank and I brought this movie up to him and he just kind of and when talk about it because you know like everyone wanted to know like why did you work with UV. Abol your two by two thousand and eight. Everyone knows who've abol is a piece of shit and with this guy who seems to be on the rise seems like he could have been had a bigger career than he ended up having quite frankly but the answer was that at the time he was really just coming off the first transporter and the money was tempting. And I'm just GONNA put out there. That Hobson Shaw made almost eight hundred million dollars so you say bigger than earlier than he has. He founded in fast and furious. I suppose I guess I feel like a more distinctive career a more respectable. He didn't have to be the action guy that he became but at any rate that was his traction to this part he said I did this movie specifically because it was an opportunity to get my bonafides as an action movie hero I only had had transporter and that was a small b movie so this was in attempt again. If you saw the budget and the aspirations you would think that this was going to be a much bigger film anyway. Poor Guy Yes. We all know who abol is by this point and we all know where this movie's going was throwing boomerangs of things in the game. Is that something you could do? You know I never got a boomerang in the game. I was fighting with rakes shovels and things and swords. So maybe but let me put you this way. It's not iconic and let me put it this way. Jason Savings obviously never held one before because every time it leaves his hand. It's in the work of CGI ARTISTS. And so why do that again? He's a martial artist. He didn't want to do this movie. He felt awkward about being period. And you said you can use your Kung Fu fighting techniques here. We'll we'll incorporate it you're the Kung Fu farmer will make that work somehow yeah. Everyone was Kung Fu farming. That's the movie I would watch. It would play with the right tone. This could be a funny parody of tolkien. But we all go. Both famously does not get humor to him. Postal comedy and House of the dentists serious well and to your point with the boomerang though it is set up in such a way like it's either needs to be a nod to something big in the game or something that pays off later in this movie which apparently it's neither nor we see him use it two or three times in the beginning and then get stuck in a tree and we never see it again. I think it's supposed to be some kind of signature. I can only imagine it being something you had to include because this is not Australia just it takes me so out of the time period. There's so many things that he could be throwing or using magic. I apologize if it is in the game but I never saw one and you know there's Ninja here that they weren't in the game either so okay. Yeah Wow all right so anyway. The point is he is a simple man with a dark past. He was orphaned and Nurik saved him from some battle. I mean we could see them ladling on there that obviously at some point he's going to have the birthright of the kingdom absolutely as soon as they're like he's an orphan and all this but the introduction of Ron Perlman as Norac Ron Perlman just couldn't control that pig pig was really running through his legs and about the trip and right. Now I'm sure it wasn't rehearsed about who is like you get one take and we're moving on. They probably had just met thirty seconds ago somewhat of a metaphor for this entire movie. I thought for sure both wife and child were dead meat though because it does not take long before we start getting. I'm glad he has a family now and I'm glad it's US I mean is very funny I mean here's the wife saying you never tell me you love me. And then turning around and picking up his son and I love you. Oh so much well we can see which way the dagger is. GonNa Fall here a little child definitely not gonNA make it out of act one and you're right. The wife will be in question she disappears. Maybe she's abducted sloppily. I think in both cuts. We see that she's alive long before farmer will confirm that she's alive. But yes it's a family in payroll. It's Mel Gibson role is feels like they had one hundred million more in a respectable director. Mel Gibson would have probably played this role but I don't know the actress playing his wife which is part of the reason why I thought she would also be marked for death. Claire for Lonnie. I only know her from mallrats. Who was she in Mallrats? She's the main girlfriend. The daughter of the game show host and that was twelve years before this so she looks vastly different. She was a last minute. Replacement will was angry that he was like. That's just wouldn't do it. They kept backing out. I mean he just doesn't seem to understand how he comes across and so he was frustrated. Apparently Claire Floor Lonnie and Jason. Save them go way back their friends so basically he made a phone call and she came on as a favourite really to Jason and not to has she ever spoken to him. Since in many friendships I would think but the money how is to help the one that's going to hurt doing in the name of the king three not a dime to be. You know you're you're fighting over Nichols in the dirt here at Lea- she probably got a comfortable salary. Everyone here as well paid. And you know technically speaking. There's some shots here. That are professional. I actually am surprised. They have rigs that are on ropes and this long drones or a thing they have some aerial shots. That are kind of cool. Yeah I agree completely. There are certain camera moves where I'm like. Wow the money is actually on screen. This is probably the best looking who've movie we've gotten to yet. Are The people in the movie aware of the Kroger prior to the events that kick off this movie is? They don't seem surprised by their appearance of these monsters. They just know that they're getting killed by them. Well first of all. They can't decide what they're called. Because it's Krug Krugg crag I heard four different prudential himself calls them with two different accident fully admits he goes. You know they're basically ORCS. He's going to hide my blatant theft from token here. The point is they know that there are some kind of dog creature that I think magic has made them man like I think that they were on four legs and now they stand upright and hold swords and everyone's kind of mystified that the they're laughing at the idea that Krug's are walking. It'd be like saying an army of dogs came in and shot me. I mean it's just bizarre. Yeah okay so it is just kind of aping from four knowledge of ORCs than in hoping that the viewer doesn't get lost by. Oh whether these anthropomorphic dog creatures that are killing people and so yeah we get some Kung Fu here with David. I don't think it's particularly good. It's not bad though. Here's the thing. Is We just watched? What should have been a good movie? We just reviewed king of fighters. I watched this after King of fighters. Ed you see in a wide shot. Jason Statham leap in the Air. Kick a guy in the chest punctured other guy with no rapid cuts. There's not a single shot with Ray. Parker Mag cure anybody in that film. That's as good as this one. Shot of state them. And I'm like. Wow that's really cool. And then he never does it again. The whole film as he not. I guess you know there's like this is the extended sequence and they're always cutting away to supporting characters this movie. At least the uncut director's version feels very meandering. I don't know how the theatrical might play to you justin but I felt like it just takes forever to get through a scene because they keep breaking it up with five other scenes but the crowds come out of the woods attack. Him at his farm has already gone off to the in laws and by the time it gets there his sons debt and these creatures reminded me of nothing so much as like the nameless dregs and suicide squad who were like Gao homes. You know I know you said they're like dogs but they just look like people in bad mushroom costumes. I'm totally getting shades of battle for indoor made for TV star. Wars movie. Here I agree. I'm running out of compliments. I can say that some of the shots the area of us were impressive. A few of the CGI tapestries are okay. But yeah once we get into the of these villains. They're not scary. And I did see the longer cut and I will say I was getting a big Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson vibe okay. I mean yes I feel. This movie is too long but I also feel Peter. Jackson's movies are too long when you watch the extended cuts or even the theatrical cuts hobbit and so when we have this long scene of Solana with her father at her son and talking about the bells of war. The nobody has had the ring and years. And all of this. You know I'm just thinking. This is an acceptable made for. Hbo Version of Lord of the Rings. That would be game of thrones and this is not game with no no. It's not game throws but the production quality seems higher end. Tv based and. I'm just going with it as we are introduced to an expansive amounts of characters. You know the war has happened yet. We still cut back to Murielle getting sword lessons from Commander Terrace. I'm just kind of soaking it in and we're also introduced here to duke fallow and my God. I surprised I thought for sure. Matthew Lillard would not be able to play period. I mean I don't tell me he does. I think he does so much better than I expected. Keeping my the first time I ever saw Matthew Lillard who was playing serial killer in hackers and I think he actually does okay here. I'M NOT GONNA say I'm completely convinced but I'm GonNa say he does not feel like California surfer boy 'cause playing okay. I've having the exact opposite like all of the people in the Kingdom feel like they have had no coaching in language in costuming and how to carry themselves any other time then like what they do in their own trailer like they themselves and that's fine because he doesn't care either like he is not a detail oriented person do whatever you want and he will more or less film it and go on. He does not have a whole lot of direction for these people and consequently this is a world that does feel very modern to me and all of its performances. In all of its presentations I will say that. Lillard out of this huge cast of people is at least being consistent and giving it his all. You know what I'm saying like he is committed to this character is created now whether or not it's period appropriate or not. That's another question. But he's there for the long haul and he's and he's GonNa go for it. I'm not GONNA lie though. Marjorie was with me for some of this movie very little. She couldn't take too much but she was there. When Matthew Lillard finally meets his end and I did go. Zoe School undermined your own. I don't need to say another thing. There's no tie breaker needed. You've already admitted he is not here. No I can't not see Matthew Lillard but I'm just saying he's so much better than burt. Reynolds okay. I mean. That's not the way to go here. Here's what I would say. The thing about Lord of the rings is it has a vast number of characters and subplots as well but it has a wonderfully simple middle lynch pin that I care about greatly. How are they going to get the ring to mortar? I can't tell you what this movies about. I don't know what the quest is. I think it's maybe the find the wife but even that I'm I mean you know what I mean. What are we trying to do here? You see and I think fellowship of the ring you to those reviews in the archives. I Love Peter Jackson's fellowship of the ring. I feel that one is very clear. Get the ring to mortar. By the time you get the two towers with wormtongue and the king and Gandalf the whites over here and Sam and Frodo or over there and all of this bore Amir's dead. Yeah IT GETS MORE MIXED UP. You got the end okay. So that's where I feel. This movie lies is. We've got what I consider to be several parallel plots. But I think they're all pretty clear. Farmer wants his wife back if she's still alive and Norrick as well as Solana's brother bastion or going to go with him so we've got that story line. Which with stadium as the star should be our main storyline. But isn't yeah. The shocker. Is that you would think that we would follow them at a road. Movie setting step by step. Having incredible adventures along the way they try to straddle a bridge. That's fallen apart and fall into a river yet medieval zip line and then there's like some chicks that are like aerial artists in the trees that the NYMPHS. And that's it. That's all I do have to complain. Because when Ron Perlman and bastion fall from zip line you see them falling and their way high up and you're like Oh my God. Are they going to die? And then they land in water. You never see them land. How do you not have the shot of stunt men hitting the Water? You see them falling. Cut to Jason Stadiums like home alone. All no face and then you to them and they're just swimming. How do you have to shot of them? Landing in that water. That bothers me. Yeah particularly when you could particularly when this is a well funded production. That has the people capable of doing that stunt and the camera people give him ten extra minutes and they can set up and get that shot but it's the steamroller ova is moving on. He just doesn't care about coverage all those pickup shots all that second unit stuff is just not getting covered here and so it feels very disoriented. The way it's edited I agree and I. That's why at for long stretches of time. Forget about farmer during the first third of this movie. Isn't that amazing? That Jason Statham could be an ova movie and he feels like he's a bill but this is a movie about Matthew Lillard and Ray Liotta. I wonder how much of the version I saw. Cut some of the stuff. You're saying because to me sure it's two hours long but it does mostly feel like stadiums movie like maybe they cut some of this other stuff from the shorter version. I mean they still do cut back and forth to the castle interesting so that could be the impact. Okay yeah and that could very well be all of these. Supporting characters get endlessly. We get who they are in one scene and I feel like they get four or five to reestablish is very simple like I get it like we have. John Davis a veteran of Lord of the Rings. He's playing some kind of don't even know what a magazine is. The magic user Right like I get close around and shit okay. Magazine is actually a word from the game. I don't know if they made it up or no word you know. I just don't know enough about it John Rallies Right He. I completely forgot he was gimle. And Lord of the Rings. He is perfect here he is correctly. Cast NO YEAH. You can do this in the sleep. And he is probably doing at least half of it and so he has this daughter that wants to be a warrior. What's that not a plot? In Lord of the Rings. Wasn't there some female that dresses up in a suit of armor at some point. Yeah because she defeats the guy at the end because he can't be defeated by any man and it's so strange like half of it helped me out this issue made of magic. We don't know anything about the mother other than she's dead but she has magical powers that she's learning and at the same time Ray Liotta seems to be making out with her entirely because he can suck those powers from her and from her. Bloodline is what I got. Is that by seducing her he was able to increase his power from the more powerful bloodline of John Rees Davies. But he was seducing her and also teaching her and I guess maybe the stronger she got the more he was able to syphon. She's also reading a book that her dad wrote on the payroll of magic. So again with title that you would think it'd be about not learning magic spell because their payrolls it's not clear and I don't need the fine details movable I got it I got it but seriously you could cut all of this right. You could cut her completely out of this movie she off to be the warrior and she gets lost in the forest gets captured. Like I don't think she ever has. Maybe the last second when she kills. Ray LIOTTA BUT UP UNTIL THAT POINT. I think she does damn thing in this film. Could you not remove her entirely? I think you could. Because she's not even needed in the end to help save the day they just. Kinda put her there because she still there right. Yeah they dress her up and dragon. She gets to yes. I think it's a magic sword too. It's like she has some magic powers. I don't know it doesn't matter. I understand her role you know. I understand what she serves. If you're sitting around saying I want to make a franchise and John Rhys Davies is in this one movie and we're going to set him up to die and we're going to have this person carry on. I don't know why you get Leelee Sobieski again. Not exactly playing period. But I get what she serves from a franchise point of view. But yes she. I also forget about for much of the story. The beginning half of the movie for me is all about Ray Liotta and Matthew Lillard. Burt Reynolds for sure. And we've already discussed burt reynolds the accent. All of it his eyes. You WanNa talk about some magic like could you please give them on the same side of the face. They are so stretched out. It's like it's horrifying to me. I thought a lot of it was his helmet. He's not even trying to put the costume on right. I mean that helmet that helmet mentioned medieval times. And that's exactly what it looked like. He was a waiter. Yeah he's the cool king that everyone wants. The throne is baffling to me. But yeah and just all of it burt. Oh it's just so painful to see I mean people forget. I think it's easy because he did so many trash movies. But he wasn't like a legitimately good actor at one. Point is better than this and then he had that come back with boogie nights that he kinda threw away to now ten years beyond that. So this is what all of that Oscar hype. Gotcha it's strange that he's the king strains that he. It's all about him at this nefarious plot. Basically Matthew Lillard nephew is next in line and less this magical son that. Burt doesn't even know that he has and got lost and was hidden by his magazine. Because it's better for him to be a farmer growing up protected by anonymity. I don't think he was hidden by the magazines. I think he got lost in the magazines. Like fate works in great ways. Because if he hadn't been lost he would have been killed. All right I'm loss. That's all I can tell. Yes that we all know that Jason Stadium's going to be the king but they take an inordinate amount of time for you to find out that Ron Perlman token so wouldn't he no. He was just wandering through in a battle. Okay I give up is fine. Whatever in Burt Reynolds doesn't help us out with his acting in the scene because he may has a line that's like I thought they were all killed your children. Do we delivered line implied like he ordered the magic us to go kill all offspring. That were out there. We we have no idea what happened or why is challenged like there's never been even mentioned that he had a son again. That's the kind of clue you WANNA drop early. So that when we find out we'd go oh I didn't see that coming. But of course if they mentioned that he had a son that died and then we also know that Jason Stadium is some orphan named boy that grew up to be farmer. We would it would be staring us in the face. Oh Yeah. They're doing their best to try and hide. What few cards? They had in their hand. Who is worse? I really WanNa Know Burt Reynolds Array Leo Albert without a doubt Berg Bird is lazier he. He demanded to in bed for in quarters of his senior. Really otas chewing scenery doesn't know what movies and laugh for. No reason again. He's just camping it up. He's having some kind of fun. It does feel better suited for a gangster movie but yet I feel like really. Iota also wasn't onset that much because most of Ray liotta scenes are alone. He's somewhere and he's telepathically speaking her. He's possessing one of the crew at talking voice over and I'm like is he on a blue screen set for a couple of days. He showed up for the fight and he showed up to screw Leelee Sobieski and the rest of the movie. He had no interaction with the rest of the crew. You know over balls commentaries that everyone was great. Everyone was everything. I have no idea how he interacted with the rest of the cast. Ray Liotta Oval. Oh he was really pissed off because of ood would bring his friends to the set there. No close said it was very difficult to work on these sets. He was not a happy camper with the way this went. Well I mean I can imagine that must be true for a majority of these actors. They've all done better work than this. So we know that the direction is failing them and they're floundering and yeah we when the movie out. It's an embarrassment that you were in a nouveau bowl and it'll always be a stain on his resume. I know this movie predates it quite a bit when Ray Liotta was in his. You know night of the cruch war gang thing that voice he had it. All I was thinking. Is The bud light night from those commercials? That's going back a little bit but maybe you know who's drunk is Bert. Though like you know they they talk about him. Quote Unquote poisoned. I'm like that's not why you're stumbling around. He says to Matthew Lillard drinking wine with breakfast is not the greatest path to redemption and makes Matthew Lillard poured out. I've done. He just wants the wind for himself up and he was told earlier that morning. His handlers definitely definitely hit in the bottle. That's why I would argue that. Burt is both more fun to watch the most fun in this movie to watch and Yeah just woefully wrong for what they're trying to go for. I was surprised how much of the movie burt Reynolds was in because early on. It's established we get Duke Fallow Matthew Lillard character saying to Rayleigh Otas Galleon. We need to speed this up. I need to be king. I'M TIRED OF COW TOWING. I need to be given the respect. That comes with the title. Since I'm not being given respect for who I am. So galleon poisons the king and he's like sped up so I think burt reynolds he signed onto a few scenes. He showed up for a week. He survives the poisoning. He's in most of the movie. I'm like you know lengthwise. He doesn't get a lot of screen time but he had to be around for much of the shoot. A lot of different scenes a lot of different setups. I'm like wow. It's not a Cameo. It's not a glorified minor role. He is in more of this movie than Jack. Nicholson is of in the company of men. Yeah and he has to hang around long enough so that when farmer comes back from his voyage of nothing by the way of getting wet in a lake and hang out with some chicks and trees that he can say. Oh Yeah. You're my son and make some metaphor out of seaweed like I mean it's just God awful what he has to do in this film but you mentioned the Tree Nymphs. I do have to say Chris. Donna lochen caught my eye. And you know what? She's blood rain in the blood rain trilogy. I'm not dreading those movies. She's blood rain in the first blood rain movie. That had a twenty five million budget. She will go away for two and three and they will get less cost prohibitive. She doesn't look like it in this movie but she was in Terminator Three. That's primarily where I would know her from but here you know different hair not wearing a dominatrix outfit. She's leader of the Trina months. Yeah she's pretty good actually for whatever she has to do which is absolutely nothing but it feels like she actually bothered to learn how to use the rope and come down on the vine and gets through her lines without cracking a smile or cracking a forty that rope artistry or acrobatics was a. Who's a thing around that time? I remember pink putting on a whole series of shows where she would do songs with those ribbon strings and everything so I think they were kind of reaching into pop culture. A little bit there with these trees in other region everywhere. Whatever works I just saw them coming down. I'm like oh the walks. They're going to join the fight by the end and I was not wrong. Although their inclusion is bizarre because again what is the fight ultimately if I ultimately is that Matthew Lillard who was also poisoned along with the king but gives an antidote from Ray. Liotta eventually has to run away the cower that he is convicted as some of the men that the king is dead and that they should follow him. I'm not quite sure. Plus they're hanging out with the Krug like that would be a tip off. I would think like if I were suddenly in the same battalion as my enemy that maybe I shouldn't listen to Matthew Lillard. In fact Matthew Lillard should be the tip off. Shouldn't listen to Matthew Lillard. Some of the extras give good facial expressions when Matthew Lillard is like Hey Delly daily for the me and just some of those extras given the side. I I get the impression they're like. What the hell are. We really supposed to be doing here. They're more than happy when burt reynolds throws up to be like. Yeah we're going with you. Bert Yeah Basically. Lillard is just doing a Joaquin Phoenix Gladiator. He's snivelling little bastard. We can't wait to see him get his come up and have this character character. Bearish who's just been kinda hanging out in the background. Who will eventually? He fears the day that he's going to have to serve him as king but gets cut his throat when John Rhys Davies shows up and says no you can. You can kill him. Because he's a traitor yet. They poisoned the king and he survives and Matthew. Lillard suddenly is Robin Hood. The Master Archer. It does take two shots and put rose sees one. Arrow go passes like I'm just GONNA sit here. The second one had sim I mean. He's not really giving his all in the fight. I mean again. I think of return to the king. You know they're out there. Even the kings are swinging swords and things. Burt Reynolds is on a horse. But I think he's just sitting there chewing the gum like Yemen deep fighting. Good I mean would you really want to see UV of bull of all people direct? Burt Reynolds any sword fight. I mean that would be heavy. Stop I'll tell you what. But yeah you know. Eros remember it from Deliverance Burns better days. Maybe it's better just to stick with the arrows. I don't know as long as this movie is. I feel like we're just tearing through the brush year and we're kind of at the end. I mean unless you missed some of your favorite meandering parks and walking through trees endlessly. It takes forever to get to the two hour mark. Feels like and that's where the king is finally killed and Matthew Lillard is killed and it feels like the climax of the movie. I mean there's a big battle with the crew and Matthew Lillard kills the king. There's the dungeon of the Dungeon. Siege is that place that's burning and characters we don't care about around Perlman and the other Guy Balian. They just got thrown into the car with the wife. We've known that she's been alive longer than we should have tipped us off to that much earlier. What happened there in the dungeon siege? I felt like if the movie's Dungeon Siege. We needed to see them rescued. Or whatever but I think all happens is like Bailey and picked up a blonde chick. He'd spent time chatting up this blonde from another. You know what I'm talking. Yeah right and north dies. I mean NORC triumph. You're right Ron Perlman Outta here. He's like I am not doing anymore. This in the shorter version to this register at all that they went to the dungeon more. Or whatever the hell they are. Yeah I mean a little bit but the dungeon felt the most set. Pc Out of all the setpiece like out of everything with this budget they have. I mean we're in forrest were seeing. Cgi Castles this literally felt like something. Gilligan's island just took creighton on a dark set. You know they're literally breaking their manacles off the rock and I mean it looks like they would come off rather easily. I mean even if you haven't been eating in three days drinking it looks like they're about to fall anyway. So yeah it's all kinds of strange so that's going on your right while there's this big croup versus Tree Lady and King Army battle and it feels like the climax of the movie. I mean we're like we have the new king he is here and Matthew Lillard gets his throat slit by that terrorists who didn't Wanna serve him and the terrorists makes this face like. Oh what have I done? I've committed murder. Nothing ever comes of. It is just a big dramatic moments. Lillard is now out of it and I feel like the movie should have credits rolling. Pretty at does feel like if you're cutting it in two you cut it. Unfortunately at the two hour mark. There's only an hour left. That's not your next movie but it feels like a pause of some sort and then it hits me way Ray Liotta still out there. We still have more to fucking do. Yeah and of course. Guston at the two hour mark. You're done like again. We're still suffering for forty five more minutes more or less or watching credits. Roll your like Burt Reynolds in two hours out. Imagine all these subplots registering with you but maybe it does it move fast. I mean do you feel engaged is not the word I know. You're not engaged. It's still a slog like I don't know what extra forty five minutes they could possibly add this. I mean everything. You guys are talking about stuff. I have seen. I mean no. I don't think they cut anything major out. It sounds like they just trimmed scenes down a bit at large part. That's exactly what it looked like and I'll never understand why all of a sudden they're climbing on rock faces. Did that make it into your cut? I have to feel like that got cut. Yeah when they were trying to get into the cave entrance this little weird boomerang rope trick and the way it's cutting this one is the two of them. Get on the rope and run off the cliff and grab it and state them. Let's go but it looks like he just falls off into nothing and then they cut to him grabbing onto the side of a cliff and then kind of free basing his way up. Listen you missed such amazing scenes. I mean Justin. I think you need to go back and rewatch the other one because you missed the scene where they name the pig and you missed the scene where bastion tells his wife where the food stocks are before his journey and most importantly you miss the scene in the crew camp where the crew commander controlled by. Ray liotta comes in and Finds Matthew Lillard about to have a three way with skinny chicken and Chunky chick that was going to get kinky. I was actually like ooh. This could actually know. Pg thirteen this happening again. You wish that it was more trashy in the Oval Ball. Since this thing you're right. It's just littered with scenes that go nowhere and don't expand upon the characters whatsoever. It sounds like you guys got to experience. The first cut I experienced the second cut and what should have been put out is like a fourth or fifth cut like this all still needs a lot of fat trimmed from it. Yeah exactly you have to give up the idea that you have some grand epic tell most of these characters have no point and they should be removed and we should be focused on Jason. Statham your star. That's too good for this that somehow you nabbed and you make his action movie and he's in almost every scene and then maybe you just have something. That's you know mildly passable. But again they're going for Lord of the Rings They Want Unsolvable. You don't hire this. Cast just to focus on Jason State them. But here's it's called editing like yes you wanted Lord of the Rings and then you look at the footage in no. You don't have it. So let's get real editing where you get real. It's time to say goodbye to all the things that don't work and that's eighty percent of this movie. Burt Reynolds Goodbye. You a really bad in fact. Can we call it something else? Let's call it and Dungeon seats and we won't even acknowledge there is a king right. We don't even need you in this bill. But I have heard commentaries with directors and editors where they specifically say. We wanted to lose the scene but it has important information or has a setup so we can't lose it. Editors jobs are yes to trim the fat but they're also to make sure that what's left is coherent which. I don't feel was successfully done in last week's movie. Believe it or not. I'm right now saying Luvabulls. Bloated mess is better than the ninety minute fighting movie we did last week. I mean I can understand why you might feel that way and again. I'm getting some laughs out of this which I didn't get laughs out of much last time. But you know what the funniest part is? The bookbinding seen like the big battle. It's finally time for them to have his big fight with Ray Liotta and they have sword fights where the swords are fighting on their own through magic I figured that was John Rice Davies Ray Liotta and I figured John Rice Davies is like. I'm too old for this shit. I going to be in your movie but I'm not going to do the sword fight scene. Uber's I would expect on their own then. Yeah and then like okay. You're GONNA stay them. And he's bound by books he gets literally attacked by flapping hard bound books. It worked for Ash and evil dead two as comedy. A book tornado takes down then traps on the ground. That's just you know that. Say had to be mad that like no. I WANNA do a flip. I wanted them. They're like nope books. And if Jason Statham is our hero. He's our new king. Shouldn't he take down? Liotta he does saline and I thought it was going to go stupider than it does because he says you have to use magic fight with honor and I've like but that's stupid because you're GonNa die so you know I wouldn't like it if ray Liotta was like I have honor and then loses a sword fight but by the same token it's unfulfilling. I know that Leelee Sobieski needs to get revenge. He penetrated her. She's going to penetrate him something like that but no Arnie. We don't need legally. That's what I'm saying. Cut Her out of this movie entirely your ads. Your instincts are absolutely right is about some guy that started as a farmer finds out that he can become the king and has to do so by stabbing this magic. Ray Liotta and that's it anybody that doesn't fit into that scenario by. We don't need you in this film. She should definitely not get the kill if it does. It needs to be more teamwork and less assassination. I don't know what she accomplished by doing. All of this. Did she do it through her magic? Does this prove that she is her father's daughter? It was kind of like a magic sword. Yeah I mean I almost think like there's some sort of like dark side light side power struggle going on here. That's just not spoken about. You know like we're supposed to be rooting for her. Because she represents the last of the good power and Liotta is the dark power if that's what they're trying to do they're not talking about it. Well then she should be the star of this movie or have part as equally important to that of Jason Statement. I mean again. This is what you do and writing you. You work out what's important and you make sure everyone has their moment and you don't go rolling into production until all of that is ironed out. I'm just saying if with director other than over at the helm somebody who really cares about story and character. Everything you have here could work but I mean again I think of Leelee Sobieski as the live tyler. Just because we focus a lot on Elijah. Wood and SEAN. Astin doesn't mean Vigo and live can't have their moments and here. That's what they're trying to do. I see them trying so hard to do it. But just not hitting the mark ever well. Yeah because nobody's really thought about the story and there was nothing to pull from from the videogame. The video game didn't have these characters they're not honoring anything about the game. The only thing I can tell it's like the game. I did see a little bit of the footage. Was that when they have those cameras on ropes and they go swinging by and you see all these people fighting in the trees or whatever and you have this pan shot in the air like. That's the only thing that's like the game. Otherwise yeah they have to write it all on their own and I think interestingly enough the writer that's mostly credited on this did cleanup but his claim to fame is splice. If you saw that horror movie like Doug Taylor like he's someone that went on and had a career of some kind so look they had somebody there to shape this but I believe he came in last minute. I think his duty unfortunately was try to fix what you've had broken. And that's just no way to approach an epic but it does feel just kind of over after Leelee Sobieski Stabs Ray. Liotta in the back. After three hours I felt like I should have something a little bit more climactic but Ray Liotta is dead. The crew just run away. Well we find out. That stadium finally can say what he's always wanted to. We're supposed to understand. He was a reserve person. Couldn't tell his wife. He loved her and now he loves her so much. She's not GonNa make do the sequel. The big payoff is supposed to be. That state is unwilling king who finally decides to take the throne and he's going to be more of a King of the people but none of that is set up in such a way that it's a satisfying payoff and the people love Burt Reynolds. I mean it's not like burt. Reynolds was a bad king and now they're like Yay. We have a good king. I mean otherwise. They probably would've backed Lillard a little bit more so they go from having a good gang through having another good king and I mean that's better than having Matthew Lillard as a tyrant but the status quo of the people is a net neutral. Yeah well we'll find out in the sequel. None of these people matter anyway. Did this film matter Josten Stewart. I feel like there's a chance on this one. Do either of you recommend the name of the King? Add Dungeon Siege Tail Justin. So this movie to me is just more proof that you've abol is an alien on our planet as a film student and everything we see of his is homework. Pity sending back to his home world and getting graded on and I think that home world may have watched this movie and said Hoover. You've done it. You've delivered us the best movie you've done so far. Please come home and said no no no. I have two more of these movies to make. But if I'm integrate this movie I'm GonNa give it to grades. I'm GonNa say I recommend this as the Best Ubale movie I've ever seen which is saying absolutely nothing as far as an arcade movie goes. Hey it's a little bit more competent than stuff we've seen even just last week was such a mess that maybe felt competent in comparison. But it's still a mess. I mean it's just uneven. Everybody in this movie is in a different movie than the person their on screen with. I mean I had fun because of the people in this we be because of the cast. I mean if you take burt reynolds out of this. If you take Lillard out of this I'm not enjoying it at all. I mean joining how fish out of water. These guys are in this type of movie and that's enjoyment. I'm taking from it. But as like a no name poor man's version of Lord of the rings it fails spectacularly. I mean aren't you said at one point this would have been a good eighty S. H. B. O. type of production. I think if this would have been made in the seventies this would have been just fine for made for. Tv's ABC Sunday night movie. But that's what it is. This is two thousand seven. There's real money being spent here and at the end of the day. If you want a good laugh I think you could probably fast forward through parts and just wait till you see something that looks Kinda funny. Which is most the time going to be Burt Reynolds in period costume looking very confused? But I almost want to give it a slight Brown arrow. I'm not going to give it like a flaming red. But it's not so bad that it's good so it's just this side of not recommend Stewart. I wouldn't call it. The second best movable I still feel like postal is probably a little bit more to his strength like it plays to his anger in a way like I felt like he was more revved up and passionate about what was going on. I got more of a sense of the director from postal than here. I can tell he just doesn't give a shit about any of this fairies fantasies. All of the stuff. He is not a director that cares. He doesn't have the right temperament to tell stories and I know that he retired like he is apparently now gone into the restaurant business. Which I can't imagine. What do you order a steak? And they bring you a cow a hammer and say go at it. It's like I'm not GonNa Bother to cook it for you like I just feel like you've abol doesn't care to prepare. He leaves it for you and and yeah in this case it does leave for some Brown era fun. I do Burt Reynolds in this movie. Ray Liotta is pretty good too but again I saw the uncut director's now. That is way too long for any movie. No bad movie is good for three hours. And this is interminable. It's an easy flaming Red Arrow for me. I'M GONNA agree with Justin. I mean I went back and looked at what I reviewed postal as and they're close to neck and neck but I do believe this to be the best movie I have seen and it made me remember something wrong when I think of over bowl I think of pain but house of the dead had its moments you know is not the worst. He's just consistently bad and here. I saw this and about halfway through the movie. Yes I'm laughing at Burt Reynolds and I'm having fun laughing at Burt Reynolds and I'm having fun laughing at Ray Liotta. I mean just the anachronisms there but there was a brief moment in this watching where I'm like. Could this be recommend? I'm watching it. I'm seeing stay. Tham do Ninja moves. And I'm watching the tree nuts. Come down and do acrobatics. You need to go to bed then you just wait to tie no no. It was a brief moment. Yeah you're sleep deprived. I'm sorry you're that tired it is. I think the best movable movie. Here's the thing at the end of the three hours. I didn't feel like my time had been totally wasted. I felt like this was semi competent. Recommend if not competent. It just didn't hurt as much. No but some of those aerial shots. Some of the camera work. I agreed technically there were a few shots. That were really cool. Visually it did not suck and I felt like stay. Tham was not really bad. He wasn't great but he's British and you know that always helps with period pieces to give people English accents. I mean it's not fair but it's true. Sorry Burt but if you were British wouldn't have been quite as bad so I didn't hate it and is it not recommend good but it's not a strong nut recommend isn't that a flaming Red Arrow. It's just a Red Arrow through the heart of Burt Reynolds. But I've seen so much worse when it comes to video game movies I look. This is the Fifteenth Best Video Game Movie. I seen yes that was fourteen silent hill. Oh God that's way better than this. You know my biggest disappointment with this movie is it. The credits didn't have that classic. Burt Reynolds blooper reel going. I think was in flaming horrible terrible. There's still plenty of time because Jason Stevens. Outta here and they're bringing in doll. Has there ever been a good movie with Dolph? Lundgren built top bills. No I don't think so either. Maybe he was stopped building showdown in Little Tokyo. Which is a guilty. Maybe I need to revisit that movie. Maybe I'm praising it way more than it deserves but I remember loving that movie in college like it's not even the worst that it's going to get. We are only halfway through all the movies. We how are going to have to watch done to house of the dead to alone in the dark. A postal an in the name of the king but only one of the dead's was his. Yeah I'm counting it all. It's under his umbrella. 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Stacebob & The Dweebs - Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm

Stacey's Pop Culture Parlour

44:07 min | 9 months ago

Stacebob & The Dweebs - Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm

"Much has changed since the last mortal Kombat Tournament, dark forces about world have begun invading. Earth Room, these attacks are seriously weakening earth's dimensional fabric enabling not only outgrow those who enter the Earth Realm, but warriors from other domains as well. The only the most extraordinary warriors could possibly meet this challenge. Luke. King. Princess? Guitar. Zero. Jacks. Sonya. Blade. Might will. Kiva. It. Made that the scope to has just slightly to pause at the end? Doesn't stick to regular? People? Being Painting fumbled. Binding. Thank you about. Combat. Singing the tune Kumba. Being bombed. Compounding. Wrong Bongbong. Everything started now, I've got internal. Yes or meeting with a stunning. Even tacked on. I'm. Being, being welcome to stay spall, the doing use the seats may stays open on being made to what? Stove boy, the jobs who are Duncan? Ann. Richards et. Genuine lethal. You'RE GONNA. Do the Scout June again then. Just Hold. 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Hawk is a thing. Isn't it? Something Day. Say About? No knowing. No. I'm sorry. Why did you pick this? It's pretty good. EC. Also exchanged. Sporadic light, but don't call him out the call him like Carbon Callosum Shit. CAROB in it just like a slow. Directa the walls in the games at that point yet. -pedia no, I won't be pay PAL in Youtube found. Good Point. We'll be using content. So thanks for last. Number. They had three things and. He I mean, he's he's a member of a race that all like each other they boom like say it doesn't make any sense. They don't refer to him as Barack irs for stupid. Call Barack. Klutzy he go. Cobra. Cooper Nicole the nomads, some reason instead of the talk time. Baraka. Couldn't decide to fuck him word of anything that the enemy said. Now, he's. Maybe, they changed his name. So as not to infringe on any kind of legal territory with the people, he makes tablet, you put in your war. Mike Fuel. Doing getting my ass Baraka in combat full. The. Anyway, it was, fatality. Friendship, filed. Trying to what you in the morning. In this. On come in with his mom and he's full forearm. Pays in any of the episodes of corn cheese in IT OVER UC has. He's he's one of the bad guys that came in in the late game. It went away and three in a bit shit. For more combat. Well opinion. This is true intrigued by the all know. Every, now series is gone so far off the Funky, right. Now. Two on the rial. But not not Freddy Krueger in think. Ten Jason and you don't yeah. Consolidation in Lot. About Copying? Not. A. Robot. But. Not In combat. I'm voting applied they. One of. -solutely sick of important Scorpions and saw. Bloody Injustice Games as well as I want more DC characters though I did with. The, all that was. I've got a place eleven a place fucking spoil now. Spoons. By Eleven Steve as well. Oh boy. Not, one E comes on head because he's spoiled, but he says, they're obverse Giraffe, you will remember me. The old. Spoon. 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Do you know what really rolled new? I. Think it was that bad. Now, I do do not rollback. Is the. Even the ANA my same, not letting give a shit. The background just saw. TWO SHADES OF RED AND They're under the ocean two shots. Of bads to be entertaining, old ABC, the Bubka or wherever else looking. Very Mad. Yeah. Outlets. Bowling is folk made. It's weird considering they've got under, must've spend all the money of the voice cast light Known Poelman Camin Ron Perlman roundabout this time when this still be on in the piece in Luke, Perry, still being Beverly Hills Nano to. Still be. A spy now. You've been. It'd been on the whole as well. Surely, because this is what he was doing. Rick. Jones. On the whole one. Are they all cartoon a-? We'd Kasten again. What no I think that worked for for a nineteen hold show. On style. made it again I. Think they weighed. Lucky. No as weird as it be funded sub zero. It's very distracted need. Not Very tough. Again. 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Either to creams defense lemonade attempting on the book, and I'll read jade and something else. She come round when you knew the regular those To made in a cream soda and combat with the cast. Now we just got. We just got Krista from the local summerfield. Terrible, Chris. Twenty people lemonade that went. Criticize look, amazing crisper. Avenue. Pound POPs a lot better than crested credit throughout the. Polar bear on a surfboard. Remember vividly. Vote for me all the time I say the minute you opened it probably about ten seconds of says before it just went completely flat and you just basically drinking lemon lemon water. Comparing Panda popped on factors, Penn forty, the green colour. On the BUBBLEGUM. green color. Think, he'd just texted bad colour. Get still. Local. Style. Welcome toast ice, Spa, and the talk. You know what? Speaking Martial Art? It's allegedly. Instagram hacks, and apparently some photos of him getting sucked off on it and he's married. That's very noisy. That's that's a celebrity scandal, Eli them. I mean, why? Why would you bother hackneyed instagram must not have many followers I'm saying allegedly out act the. Beliefs. They put it on their revenge quarter. Some Mrs Cheat on him allegedly. I mean, this is not a most people we slack off on. His training I'm not did he also kimani northern? Denise. Dressed as more when apple. And the other person is dressed as Jao beings. Yes. Yes. They were. Patient, so isn't it? I have. Looked so happy that started going down these lawyers confuse instant Toyota is. It's always good to site. It's been a long week, but we had Mundell. Wake just Tavashikh. Into have. The week off dude, you'll get I've got four off I. This is the last time I. Left annual. Leaf before. Everything rolls over September. Not. Too Far Away at list. Now we are no, but with everything going on with the holidays a little bit shy anyway is fascinating. Is this? Oh. Yeah, I was GONNA say it's fascinating. This conversation topic is I'm sure none of the five listeners give to shit. So. Ordinary waging. Sorry. One Kid. 'cause he's tickets for Caja Mogambo. Keach won't be like to play it so they wouldn't get along. Fine. The first time I ever played mortal combat. All I thought was I think they should turn this into a Gi Joe esque cartoon. You like whatever it was non-euro Duncan in the coming we. Scissors. DISHES UPBEAT Cypher. Compatriot right now. They make this shit. This be awesome. It was less less good I'd love this more. I to. Injure in. Let's kill in. You don't even freeze paper your state senator. Freezes the robots for again? No. To those shitty robots from combat three, the CYBORG ones into like while police patrol. Foot soldiers, I suppose that's close at the buffet. Punch him. To Shatter into paces months style, we can work I've seen. Current may form wrong. Does Sony? Blade have you know who do could pay was in the guy, you can't remember. Didn't think. So I'm trying to catch did after all. One folks in this, I'm not Basic Otis one. Johnny all, Time. Sign. Mentioned it didn't I was doing something. Some of the round bullock's. Alike dog, remember. causing. Style, you watch I like persevere with him still being an active. But Mall Combat Ten, the story marriage as an actor every for some reason we. The movie mortal Kombat on I'M NOT GONNA lie of it. You do. I. Feel that Song. The song listen to that semi regulations. Or? What's wrong? Remote will come back. At Interior when I'm watching film. A main? Street fighter and he's better than the second failed. Give you that the second one is pretty truss. What you want about is got that bit where that woman goes and you. Shall Die, which is awesome. Remember. The second film though there's a lot of people, these tunnels and it's really bad looking. Yes. Yeah. Even though it's a big. Gap. The kitchen worse. This show apparently was only in the cartoon network off have a weakness grateful And I didn't know who was a Anita. Told you about it. Last time I was on again the Gi Joe thing where he's going. Straight. To the streets. What I say? Yeah, to call it in the straight is my five. This is what it might as well because he's tech. Following on from the bloody movie again, isn't it? Don Cabinet Adam. What was the other one is for. A number after it didn't Neil waded. The good cotton ball thinking the Japanese more than fail. The fucking sue. Five fail fee for the an think yet That was. Going to stand in my films, the stuff I'm not seeing them either. One for six months, and then he started back angry if Washington. Out. Not. Stay myself. The one number two is really good. Street fighter, animated movie, but. I couldn't get into. NIGHTS TO A. It relies on knowing a lot more bash story than already cats give it shifts about four street fighter for for a game. That's extensively about people kicking the shit out of each other in the streets. Do any calls, kick the shelf. That's my favorite thing. If Israel walls best rattler because. Just after the big split like if you can. Only played the Guacamole to recently and this. Car. When we CAMELLO. Gorka Mela. Brilliant. Mexican. Malet. Unlucky. It is. You're you play a luce libra and it's It's a metro. Vania. Game by US moves like the compromise the roots thorough and things like that, and you have to you have to use all these moves to traverse the levels. It's really fun game. I the second one, there will frequently on dulled or something. been playing on the switch. Probably from often diploma ball. Well. We got Chris. I actually got to that Applying comes out each pipe at least ten hours. now has times now. Log Don't get to go near the TV. It's not my domain anymore. If I passed it and then. Back, into again. I want to be on the fucking Xbox, but I'm not allowed to the. But in failures. Tom. You'd be set the. I'm assuming most people. Dahlia say so. y'All survive. Long. This allow. Time before people in this country, Dunklin be one of them, just cheerful of will of wanting to fight the expeditious. The new game. Of. Car Backlog. All Times and put them in a pile of fiber. Stop doing that for the experts. I am a bit of Shit going Oh. Look at that crash bandicoot, insane trilogy. I've already got it on the xbox play on this switch, they suddenly twenty five Quid Guan. Just goes on the list of games. Now. It's downstairs now I'm still waiting on a couple mobile. Get recently. On the again. Wellness. On the way to get older Marriott guy. Staying. Look. Collector's edition Guy, lose prank. Oh You're. This this this horticulture bought trigger FRY. Only comb figure out how many I'm really struggling. Maybe, just because I'm on on the wikipedia bit can't seem to figure out who the actual villains are. So you know normally in these cartoons, I'll give you a breakdown school can. From the. Seeing. This one. What you? fucking. As, comes, being. Here's. The villains, strike. What was awesome? Cold fetus can cheat US ON A. Old School know they ago. Just couldn't cheat. Snakes non. saw. Features can cheat us the words. Honest. We have what one now if someone was called something, that's not in the. Let's say. Benign nine. Team? Party. It's usually something a little bit more on the nose, the not. Think. Bastard. Think? Even the toxic crusaders one was. Awesome. Think. He was smuggled. Then it was Kumla didn't James Bond and then on. The other one, the crime, Lord, or big bosses. Some sticking. Up Not catching smoked a cigar and slap balloons on the backs of people to stay on them for his base or is. I'm. A. Big bossy snake always in that. Network. It's now he's not snake. He's a helicopter pilot got blown open. Surgically. Changed to snake spoiler for metal gear solid five. If you've not played in the last hour of many years, it's been out general are tape binding that is still watching the cooks teams. Well. It is a Hideo Kojima guidance get most of them. I can't look at a container crate. You know the big ass metal containers without thinking. If can I slap a balloon on that and? Continue to an economic. Well. I was going through the we wound up in one of the golden sensors outback of. And I was looking around and so plants Coppola featured in the game like, did you tell its own? If okay, this from our research. Did you. Did you see any vendor green herbs? Other mix them together, you get full of beneath Karolyi problems. Yeah. But if you mix it together with yellow on extends, you log far as well. I won't have we mixed all this together with resident evil now. That's a one refusal deep. Go to game now missing. It was never foster. Genuinely only good one is Malka. Solid. Mister National. Be Good. Italian. Never played too because I never had a PS two and number three I got bored of despite the that people say it's apparently amazing. He's to the one way. You mainly doll implies right in assumption. Yeah. Yeah. You got replaced by another Reagan. And I'll be glad the phone to this. Supply them all the game when I was writing and moral comeback, think of it. Prefer it. Yeah. But he couldn't have been any worse than the raid character so bad there to keep chopping off and turning them into a fucking robots try and go look his cold now he's not. The demo that was vengeance. That was he was in his well at least you knew your plan. Is He? I was a good game that was. Pick nine. Now. What within Jim? Slow? Yes. Guys. Metal gear solid games. I. Guess. All the Games. Main premise is hogging boxes. One of them. One of them, you can just will confront a papal, but if you alike wanting Joe, I wouldn't say. That Kona. Game. Carpet Stealth Games olive definitely don't play two stealth. One of 'em if you wait long enough one of the bosses of all age. Last. Thing. Yeah it's number three is that's old sniper guys you change if you fiddle around with the Darmstadt ends on your console, you can just be dead. Seems defeats the object to play a game. One of the buses ain't nothing to. Read your mind what you're doing. To employees to try to put in the second poll than you could bathe him. But callum was that. that. That was. The first one, I. Yeah. Metal gear solid because, yeah. The playstation. To. Playstation two for. Was Yeah because they're the first ones playstation one. If you remember if you had the Kanawha Games on your memory card, read that and go home, he likes football. In the other if you played. A. God. What was the football coach? That's it. He, he'd always read minds and go your blank slates. Its economic. Thanks for making me realize poor. Had signed. It was at the. Game, it cost ten because. We knew about. A totally legally acquired games because I'll get one of those carts on the back. I didn't have a chip playstation. You had to put a diskin so you can play the. DISC in tech it out quickly, and then put the total legal skin. And but because it was a to this game, you couldn't do. It might crash I, had to wait an entire year to finish solid I can get to the end of the first disc fancy seven although I tend to i. Ask put the second one And we all have to. Come up to get some money some horrible Kicks it to. Kids. Okla.. Ultimately. Device anybody should not get me podcast. It's not, but doesn't it literally nothing? Shock is bland diet for one because we're in. Scorpion to up to the big battle would've probably been improved. The combat alerted the subscriber. Here's something that's amusing. Somebody's took an trivia on this So apparently, Livia Donahue the woman who did the voice of Sonya Blade Starting Neal Conan the destroyer cartoon from nineteen eighty, four as princess agenda. 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Except to sell toys I, imagine why I keep trying to tell me this is earth when walking sees power and Wieslaw. And if the Earth Realm earned the desert either way it's took sticking. By. Byron. Wise, LEM lobby. To animate surely. Paid. Frames. All, that was that then. BEEP beep. Beep. BOOP. It'd be. Just, great. Paula do a mile stylists poverty. MALLAKAM SESAME AT COFFEE DOT COM for such slices politician, just dot com. Any recognition. That's no. If you drink came. So pop. Or. If you buy thin cream sun. Cream Sundae basketball AWESO. Is Cream soda bomb. You're the expert in distant Rodney appear also. Sutton. Makamba mortal, Kombat. Mortal, combat. Much has changed since the last mortal Kombat tournament dark forces about world had begun invading Earth Realm. These attacks are seriously weakening earth's dimensional fabric enabling not only outgrow. There's under the Earth Realm, but warriors from other domains as well. 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Hellboy Red Band trailer review

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Hellboy Red Band trailer review

"He may eight you like movies. Do you like movies about big red dudes with attitudes? I do a couple times before this. And I'm not talking about Santa. I'm talking about Hillary. Can reaction retelling of the new hell boy red band trailer. He had the newest trail the news of the drug just dropped a couple of days ago. If you have in go check it out, it's on YouTube. If you're on your daily, it will wait. Okay. All right. Yeah. Go all right. So okay, man. I have a lot of feelings about this man, mixed feelings. But it doesn't feelings. I think he looks better than the first trainer. Yes. I think they still have a little ways to go. God just something about him. That just you know, what this this this thing this movie's going to remind me of it's gonna remind me of like, Ben Helsing with the one with Hugh Jackman, Hugh, Jackman and. Okay. For people. My your Eder anybody over the age of twenty. Maybe it's been a while. Yeah. We we've have we have a hell boy he was a perfect perfect in. That is Ron Perlman, rob Herlin. I mean, look the the the makeup was legit Gambill. Bill Toro is amazing film monster maker, I mean to toil is amazing director, and he has a style. That's perfect for a lot of it was practical fix and a lot of it was cool mak- and legit things. This is. I don't know, man. This is going to be the first to did really wolf I understand correctly. So why would they not bring del Toro there? It's it's just like, oh what worked twenty years ago? Let's go ahead and redo it. It's like because that's why Perlman said if del Toro's not in it. I'm not an because they'll tour was amazing in. I mean, I I don't remember everybody having a backlash of it. I was really good the box that could be wrong. The I did. And I thought the second one did. Yeah. I mean, and now you have David harbour again like him. I like things like in. I don't mind him his hill. Boy is I think is the makeup makeup, man. It's it's I think you're trying to make him to like eyebrows. Dislike stays has enough movement. It's kind of. Yeah. I remember I think we were talking about this before that it looks like a mask. Yeah. It was. A hell we mess. Just doesn't look good. I mean, he's just Rawlins of your campus. Yeah. Pretty good. And I don't think they resulted Welsh. So I think it's God. And like it's a lot of GI. And it's it just reminds me of too much CGI. And I don't I think that's what they were gonna show. You shopping down the road is siegi in the end the world and don't get me wrong. He looks cold with his his firecracker on and his big horn horns. Yeah. The full horns, and you know, I mean is. Trailers wants to get you excited about this. I guess people my age has ready seen a hell boy and were little more. Maybe we're jaded little Jason has had a near perfect hillbilly. Yeah. I mean, and especially with his his kind of humor that has and with this one. It's like, I think humor might be little forced. Especially like, oh, you know, between the Capricorn in your crazy BU. No. It's like, okay. Cool. I didn't see like I'm in. Yeah. I thought that come into mile. What's the same plot to got a evil gyp into becoming up trying to get him to join them because he supposed to be evil himself? Yeah. Wasn't that? That was. For two and I with fresh Butin and. I don't know. This is going to be it's going to be times. Can you tip the guy? Yeah. Yeah. But I'm hoping they touch up while here's think so, you know, the fighting's look cool, but CGI there. I mean, you have him bowing this big giant. And it just it looks like like, the hobbit the new hobby of the the battle of five armies where he's fighting the the king or whatever like to me all this. But it looked so cartoony, and it's it's an it's like, oh, man. I understand these things aren't real. And I understand life perception is a lot different than most people because I can you know, I can really tell CGI, but you have it reminds me of what that new Tom Cruise movie the mummy. It's like, okay. The CJ kinda takes you out of the store is actually takes you all the story. And that's when I liked your hashing department. Couldn't find a sixty foot giant bay game. They they should use those guys now telling out the matters G is. Let's not just the giant like said we've had before. And if it's just another retelling of the same thing ever rights drag in this time. Yeah. Which is cool. But it's it's like, okay. It's like we're gonna call this live action again. Oh, good. He has a pretty strong supporting cast, though, McShane is planned lobby Schrager Bruton home of the guy who discovers ghastly, the funny thing is there was there was a point in the new helpfully Rabanne trailer where he comes out of this whole, and you love reminds me of these sack same hell boy at win. It looks as acne same. I had to do something like that. And the funny thing is that in show is show his face his face might be completely different. But then it was like, wait a minute. This accent thing. Purdy much. Yeah. It's the same origin. I mean, we know his origin. Yeah. Arjun telling the Batman origin. Again. Why why do it this is like the spider-man's just jumps right? Just jumps right into really know who help is. And the thing is these moods. Aren't that old? I mean what nineties early two thousand that might be in the early two. So I mean, yeah, I mean, they're okay to us said. I said all this twenty. Picking the odds. We wish the Toky's. With good, you know, any no modern random, but we got indicate. Yeah. Mill jovic. Yes. Sorcery fifth century Mitch or slight bed or. Yeah. And then she tried to pantley bang bang thing. Dude being held boy. L A. Well, yeah, he's he's her king. Yeah. Then you got Daniel day Kim, who's played a new paranormal character who can turn into Jaguar. Yeah. Which is cool. But look Arteni look. It look really had to. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean. It's American roof in London the transformation looked better. Yeah. This did. Yeah. It was got. It's like we're complaining about too much vs. But it's true. You can have too much of something. If it doesn't take me out of the story. CGI us look good. Yeah. But when you see you go, that's as it's not usually is he giant it. Just doesn't look good in in. That's more. Like a lot of people are going back to particle because it's hard to replicate particle fix. Yes. I think the practical fix were were better from Carol Girma detoro. But that's that's his style. You know, it's he has very weird style. And I like it because it's when it's practical, you know, it's, you know, it's practically, and it doesn't look that it works. It looks better. It's mobile leave -able. I like a mix of practical ANSI Gye. You know, I like the way that you don't need really notice like the practical. When when it's doesn't draw you out of the story is actually in Washington. Oh, let's see. Yeah. I mean, when you know, the whole thirty or fifty foot monster comes through London bridge, or whatever that kind of expect to be at least make it does evil. It's just one of those things like I mean. When like God like that went through a bridge. It didn't look bad. It looked really good. So I said if if you wanna watch helplessly, what's the first two, I don't think I would watch this in theater as of right now. Now, if if there's a huge hype in a lot of the critics like, oh, my God is the most amazing things. Yeah. I'll go check it out or another trailer comes out that's because this a come out to later twenty nineteen. Yeah. I think it's like August flying even later. I was thinking November. But either way I got time to improve it. Yeah. I mean, you know, hopefully, the, but then again, that's what they say. Principle is mostly what were shot at it'll be would have to redo re-shoots and just fix his face because I can fix the CGI. Yeah. I mean, it got his it's, you know, it's funny. If if even if he looked xactly like Ron Perlman round Perlman may that character. And this guy. I don't think I don't he? He's not. Out here, you hashtag not my homeboys. Yeah. I don't know if he's strong the carry that the hell boy, I'm Perlman was in so many conic things. And in this guy everybody really knows him from. And I think been very my muscles. Sorry. Everybody is Phillies and everybody. Can that can really knows this guy only from Stanford things. They'd be. I don't know. What else? He's I don't really like change certain Strangford thing. I just good job hopper. But but Ron Perlman he's been so many things that that he's he's an iconic actor by himself. The putting him in this role was is pretty good because he just he has that that charisma as hell bar explore the moxie foot spa. But. CGI is a little too saturated for me, I think. We'll see if I I'm pretty sure that if this is the best parts of of a movie in a trailer than Bobby pass on. We'll we'll probably end up reviewing it. So we'll we'll probably see every I won't see it with money. But if I if I get to review it, I'll go check it out. But you know, I I'm usually a little honest with my reviews if I don't like something I had lie. I usually pretty much almost every move. I like I like being the team that that's not a those people look for deep meaning Shakespearean plots unless watching Shakespeare's, and even then made you'll be able action Leonardus everyone's CGI my Shakespeare, right? But yeah, there's been a few movies. I just walked out now after it. I'm hoping this is not one of them. Yes. Especially since dole who heads at for me, especially since you know, the comics come movie that you know, we don't wanna kill the reiteration of hell boy. No. We want more come movies. People should be acquainted the newer generation these to be acquainted with hillbilly. Exactly. And if this is the this is the new generations help way, I wonder if he's gonna be all PC. Yeah. He's gonna have a man. Lisa didn't make an all female hill. Boy. Yeah. Hell that'd be interesting. Interesting concept. But I think the more I think about it. Maybe I do. See this one. Yeah. Yeah. Opposite of hell boy of permanent boy studios, if you're listening. Yes. Silencer free. There you go. Oh, dear what hell girl equal. Now. I wanna see hill. The the foot of doom is what you just clobber. I hit. To stab people here. Jimmy choos. That's still a thing. I don't mind defection those bread bottoms is that Jimmy choos or Donna. The style. Whatever the winner of the stylish or day until we were stylish ones that t shirt polo shirt. Well, yeah, I think that's that's about enough review. But what do you guys think come down below? 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Hellboy (2019)

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Hellboy (2019)

"Do you really really believe in hell that into place a duck? Ancient evil slumbers. Relates to return in the absence of light don's. Era things go bump in the night. Otherwise. Handsome. This is now playings hell boy retrospective series world. Here. I hosted by Jacob didn't I kill you ready. Stewart to keep doing this, rotten eggs and safety mankind. Edge Arnie good. The bad. And the worst. This fogcast may contain detail spoilers end hellish language. My ankle. Trump's listener discretion is the mayor. Playing sean. Let's go fights. They were discussing hell boy starring David harbour meal. Jovovich Ian, McShane Sasha lane and you'll day Kim and Thomas Haden church directed by you'll Marshall this is the now playing co host who relies on jokes as a way to normalize arming and Stewart and this the host who deserve the two thousand foot high statue in my honor made with the bones of enemies Jakup. You have a lot of enemies take. I do make it three thousand feet every aqua man listener apparently. Well, you're here at a different comic franchise where back at dark horse with elbowed eleven years after help to without year, they'll Toro we get I guess, I would call this a soft reboot. They don't want you to totally forget what had been done before. But it won't be in continuity. Yeah. I wouldn't even call it. Softly. It's just a wreath food. It's starting over the origins a little bit different. I mean, they gotta stick to the things that are in the comic book, more or less. But yeah, this totally different five totally different feeling than those dill Torah ones did help to not do. Well, because I can't remember the conversation. We had a few years ago. But I know there had been talk for years everybody wanted hell boy three they wanted Ghirma back. They wanted Ron Perlman back when you say everyone you mean, everyone that saw elbow to. Okay. So that's answering my quick. Yeah. Yeah. It did not do well compared to the budget. Add. Ahead more of a budget than the first one that I one was moderately successful. That's where we got the second one that second one did not make it's money back. And yet it's the better fill it is. I'm just gonna late online elbow. His never been a hit twenty three million in America for the first one thirty four million for the second. That's not opening weekend. That's total gross. And yet number three might be lucky to hit those numbers domestically. But that said, it is hard to imagine this franchise for me that is never seen a comic or wouldn't even necessarily know that it was based on a comic. If I wasn't on the show with you guys. It's hard for me to imagine it without gear won't del Toro. And certainly you would think after winning the Oscar for shape of water. He would have the clout to be coming back and saying I am doing this. And you're going to let me instead he's off remaking Pinocchio for net. Flicks. I can't think of something I want to see less than that wasn't the shape of water. Just a neighbor. And piece of fan thick anyway. Slash. Yes slash Vic. Maybe well a lot of this happened before Ghirma won his Oscar back in twenty seventeen. I remember Jacob you saying, Mike MC Nola. The creator of the hell boy comic said hashtag, not my hell. Boy, right. His comic is his comic. And Guillermo vision did not jibe and for those that didn't read the comic tours vision. I love it. I love what he did. It is different than the comic book though. And I remember seeing Mike Nola panels at comic con, and he would make little comments about changes they've made and he didn't seem pleased with it. Well, back in sixteen seventeen MiG Nola directly worked with the writer of this film. Andrew Cosby, who is creator of boom comics, he launched the entire comic company. Okay. He also did the scifi show, you Rica. If you remember that it was kind of twin peaks of the new millennium vaguely, remember the name. I never watched it. But they were working together on a sequel that would bring hell boy back to MC Knowle's vision. And hopefully box office prosperity. And they offered gear. Mo and again, this was twenty seventeen and honorary producers title just to get Ron Perlman back in the makeup. Oh, so they did want Ron Perlman. Yes. How could you not want Ron Perlman? I think a lot because this has gotten awful reviews. I think a lot of it's because people just love what del Toro dead, and this is a different direction. We'll talk about but Perlman come on you might not get del Toro get parole and back in the suit. I mean, this is totally subjective. But when I went and so us recently with a friend this trailer came on there. Like, oh, I love this. I wanna see it. And then like thirty seconds in wait a minute that ain't hell boy. And they're like ain't seeing that they felt betrayed like they were being tricked into seeing an artificial held the funny thing is they released a photo still David harbor in the hell boy makeup and everyone's like just looks like wrong Perlman. We'll talk about what happened when that on screen. But yeah, that was the. Response. Why didn't you just get round Perlman? It looks like the same character looks like him already in that makeup. Well, Ron Perlman wasn't getting back in the makeup unless del Toro was behind the camera. He has allegiance to del Toro for that. I mean, keep in mind, he's followed del Toro to Pacific rim as well. I mean, he's del Toro's, buddy. And was not going to do this. And it was going to be just called hell boy rise of the blood Queen. And it was going to be the third installments in continuity when they realized Perlman wasn't coming back del Toro wasn't coming back. They hired Neil Marshall as director there like all, right? Let's just reboot. This whole thing. It is hell boy twenty nineteen and it's going to be darker more gruesome hard are rated. Yeah. I think that was clearly the thing that they were pushing was and I didn't realize that when I saw the first hell boy back in two thousand four I thought. Wow. This was an R rated movie. And then I was like, oh, no it's only PG thirteen I came into this one thinking, well, they've got to be shooting for the same. Cd thirteen audience. I'll tell you the scene where I realized there's just no way that this could be there's. Yeah, there's definitely yeah. See I think I know which one you're talking about. But that was one of the big things like, oh, we're going are rated I'm like, okay. Maybe they could go a little bit more gruesome with all the different monsters. They'll Toro's vision was more of a fairytale. And I think they wanted to go in that different direction where they could be a little bit more gruesome. I remember the red band trailer came out, and you could hear them saying the F word if that's the thing you wanna hear elbow save. But yeah, they definitely wanted to push that this is a harder edge. And this director Neil Marshall. He's a horrid guy. Right. You know? Here's the thing. Like, I liked the descent, but that was fourteen years ago, that's even longer than hell boy to this guy like hot off of anything. I couldn't see that his movies ever made any money. I think the descendant is as big as film, right because I've seen one other one of his dog soldiers, which is like aware wolf military movie. And I get why has a cult following with people in. To horror, and that it wasn't great. But I could see the appeal there, but he has been doing a lot of television. It seems if you've directed game of thrones. They wanna throw movies at you. Okay. He did a couple of of game of thrones. He did an episode of Westworld a couple of lost in space. So he's done prestige television. He's also worked on films and begs the question, why is this coming back as a movie when? Yeah, it seems like TV is hotter than the movies and their star the new run Perlman, also TV guy. I don't know David harbour. I saw to episodes of stranger things. I don't even remember him in it. Like, he wasn't the focal point. Yeah. He's one of the big characters. I think more in the second season. I've watched bolt seasons. I don't know if he's been in it. I'm sure he's been another stuff. I don't know anything else except stranger things when it comes to the David harbour. I didn't recognize him underneath all that makeup. I actually thought they had like teenager twenty-something under there because of the long hair and everything I thought he looked really really young. But I mean, we've. Talked about movies. He's banning. I mean suicide squad he was taller and that to one of the military guys Arnie by boy is that what they're hanging their hat on who we should be excited about our people that have made their name in TV. And because I haven't watched these shows I came into this movie with zero expectation I wanna say I wasn't against it. I had read the bad reviews, but I'm not going to turn against it. Because gear we'll del Toro and Ron Perlman aren't involved. They may bad movies. I'll be honest. There's been many of their films I have not enjoyed crimson peak. So if a new director has vision, I'm okay with following that new vision, I agree. I was a little disappointed. I just because I know it was a passion project for gear. It wasn't about the money. He had a story to tell he wanted to finish his trilogy. A lot of time has passed. And I don't know if they could have gotten all of the cast back together, you know, some Blair is having some medical problems. I think they would have. Had trouble following with her pregnancy. Twin story line. Yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Plus, I haven't seen David Hyde Pierce acts and spam lot. So I don't know if we could have continued in that same vein, but I was open to this new vision. I saw this at five pm on a Tuesday afternoon because I was at Star Wars celebration. And I just wanna thank probably twenty five or more. Now playing listeners who approached me at the show and said, they enjoy the podcast. Thank you for those kind words, but on a Tuesday afternoon, I went in knowing that there were unkind things being said about it. But I'm like, you know, I enjoy hill. Boy in the previous movies, I've read a couple Idi bitty hell, boy comics, and that's about it any bitty. Meaning it's basically hell boy muppet babies. Yes. He's very cute. My eight year old loves those comics, they're making the same mistake. I mean, we talked about two thousand eight part of the problem of why hell boy to maybe only made thirty four million. Was it was a summer of big superhero movies, ironman, incredible hulk dark night it got lost in the shuffle. Putting it out sandwiched between Shas AM and in game. If foolish I know they wanted to put this out in January, which would have been perfect. But I think they said the effects weren't done which I'm not sure if. They are. But anyway, I'm not saying that they weren't planning for a better release. But this seems like a particularly bad time to release this fill it came in number three. She's AM held number one for a second weekend. Yeah. Both big offs beat it at the box office. There's also this movie little about like a woman turned into a child that kick. It's ass and strangely. I know nothing about little except we talked about it during big Zam. I never saw a trailer for little I never saw review of little if it wasn't for you. I wouldn't even know this little movie exists. So the fact that it beat hell boy, I got a text from Jacob, by the way, there's two stinger scenes at help boy one in the middle and one of the end, I'm like, those are setting sequels that will never happen. I knew that going in. Yes. It is in the air. Sometimes we can only speculate. But because we're taping. This releasing it a week late. We all know this has been deemed a big box office bomb who knew that releasing a movie about a demon right before Easter woulda flopped. I just can't imagine. Yeah. A hard are rated the about a demon. I mean, again, the fact that they even conceived it for the big screen given that he such a cult figure. I feel like a scifi TV show or something where this character is going to excel it doesn't seem like he has the big appeal. The only thing I could compare them to and I'm sure it must have been on their mind is dead pool. If he can be as a reverent and are rated and funny as dead pool, then maybe can have that kind of gross. But then maybe can have that kind of gross. But they're comparing two very different things in the end. The other thing is they kept the budget on this clamps down. They estimated spent fifty. Million. And let me tell you the lack of money is on the screen, those affects you referenced. And I'm not gonna say one hundred percent we couldn't get a sequel because we've seen those films that bomb here. But do so well in China, and the sequel comes absolutely alita battle angel is a big hit, by the way. Who knew? Yeah. So the fact that in just you ever sees yet it could make it's money back. You could even be a profitable film for Lionsgate where here to review this movie and not speculate on the future Arnie give him the plot. And we'll talk about hell boy two thousand nineteen at the end of World War Two Hitler's Nazis. Tried to summon a demon to help them win the war. They were stopped by lobster Johnson. A superhero Nazi killer played by Thomas Haden church. Can't wait to talk about it. He was not somebody. I was expecting to be seeing in the theater this weekend. Either was by favorite healthcare or couldn't believe he showed up at a movie already recommend. But the demon they summoned was a devilish baby with a brick hand horns and a tail a group of demon hunters led by professor Trevor Broughton home have been killing demons worldwide. But at the sight of this baby Britain home decides to raise this hell, boy as a son we then jump to modern day and hell boy is played by David harbour, his father brought home played by Ian McShane has founded the government organization the bureau for paranormal research and defense or be PRD for short and hell boy is one of his agents things go to hell though. When a pig like fairy named grew against wants revenge on hell boy for previous attack and to do this. He raises new may played by me Yovich, the blood Queen who tried to destroy the world until stopped by King, Arthur and Merlin. Her body was dismembered. Parts spread across England. But grew rich gets the pieces and puts the blood Queen back together again help boy tries to stop this with the aid of Alice Monahan aside. Psychic medium played by Sasha lane as well as Ben daimyo aware cheetah played by Daniel day. Kim daimyo doesn't trust homeboy. And so he carries a special bullet that can kill the half. Demon the blood Queen. However doesn't wanna kill hell boy. But rather partner with him. She kills Greg and tries to convince hell boy that together they can make the world of safe place for demons by killing all the humans when he refuses. She kills Bruton home and unleashes a plague upon England it turns out though that hell boy is half human. And wouldn't you know, it the last surviving descendant of King Arthur as such he's able to wield Excalibur and behead the blood Queen seeing that hell boy can be trusted daimyo throws away his help way killing bullet and daimyo hell boy and Alice become a new squad of continuing without Britain home, and they discover a tank containing Abe Sapien as credits. Roll. That's my first impression coming into this movie is I wasn't sure I never even thought does help have a different crew. I just picture. It was always Hello boy and say and the ones we saw the movie here, we got Britain home, we got hell boy, but they're going to replace the crew. So I think that's a good way to go about it. Yeah. I felt like they definitely wanted to set themselves apart. Again, if you've read BB are, you know, who daimyo is Allah shows up. This is mostly based off. This is what blew my mind when I was reading all the production stuff is that they were going to adapt. The story line the wild hunt, which is like the beginning of the end of hell, boy, if the comics it all ends withheld and hell that's the name of the series. But like there's only a couple more story arcs before. Hell boy dies in the comics. When you get to the wild hunt like this ramps. Everything of this is where you find out. He's a descendant of King Arthur just blowing mind that they were going this late into the mythology to adapt a new film reboot. And we've always seen this symbol for the BP. It's hand holding a sword. I never gave it much consideration. But this is not something new for this film. It is always been of the idea. That hell boy is a descendant of king. Arthur that is x caliber in the symbol. No. I don't think it is. Because the has always had that symbol in the comics. I don't know of big Nola came up with this idea that early on. So I think it's a happy coincidence. Okay. Or maybe he was trying to come up with a back story for a simple. He thought was cool and couldn't justify previously. But certainly when they begin this movie. That's the first person we meet king. Arthur and Merlin are writing in the dark ages five seventeen AD, and they're writing up to this hill to surrender to the blood Queen because humankind all the Britons have been dealing with an invasion of monsters. Yeah. I think this is their excuse for the black plague. It's actually this blood Queen has releasing this plate yet. They re count a lot of the stuff from the golden army where fairies and humans, and they couldn't get along. And the ferries kind of went away here. They're more or less doing that. Same story line. I feel I it's just how it looks different. It's there is humans and witches and demons and fairies and goblins and they couldn't get along. So one had to go. Yeah. And certainly when you look at this time that there was a lot of invasions happening in England all the Saxons invading, but it has been popular to look at that conflict through the lens of monsters. If you look at beowulf or what have you here? I don't think this is a metaphor for anything. I think it's just the clash that has always been the subtext of hell boy movies the world of monsters and fantasy butting up against the world of the humans, and they'll be a character that comes from both worlds. How will he rectify his lineage when we start off with king? Arthur all I could think about is how much King Arthur we have had in movies lately, it just feels like first of all aqua, man. But then also the kid who would be king transformers the last night King Arthur legend of the sword. It just feels. Like, somebody really wants to make King Arthur thing in theaters, it's public domain. It's free. Yes. That would be my guess is that we don't have to pay anybody for a character that everyone knows or presumably everyone knows I gotta say though during this opening I went in. I saw that thirteen percent Ron tomatoes score. And during this opening you're getting this kind of data stuff that I typically don't like doesn't look good. And I'm like, oh, no. This is going to be bad. This is why it's thirteen percent. Like this opening scene really worried me it worried me as well. I mean, it is a data dump it's talking about blood Queen and Merlin and king. Arthur and something there's another witch that like betrays her, I guess, she comes back. Exactly, I have no idea what the betrayal was or lie. The betrayal occurred. What did this other witch get out of the betrayal, and I figure that it's going to be this other witch who's the villain now? Right because she betrayed the blood Queen. So now, maybe she's the blood. Princess or something. I don't know. But it's putting a lot in here. I thought also maybe Merlin was a traitor. I have no idea which way this is going. It's out over thinking. It's really not that big a deal, but they seem to muddy it up part of my trouble focusing is that I didn't recognize Yovich. How could you recognize her? I thought it was Eva green who is like Tim Burton's Goto leading lady. And I don't know she just if not being directed by someone named Paul W s Anderson, and I don't think she would work. So I just I couldn't imagine her booking gig. That didn't involve her husband. If it makes you feel any better. I didn't recognize her either. I'm staring the whole time. I'm like did. They Kate shed put with who is that actors. I knew she was familiar, and they're doing some visual trick here to where it's all in black and white, but she's in this red robe, so really all your paying attention to is the color red, which is led flowing out of her and the robe and it just miss her. I recognized or just because I knew she was in this, and I didn't. Go through that whole resident evil series. I you guys like my last memory of her is probably like, the fifth element. I'm like going to even be able to understand her. I gotta say she's much more. I understand her. Now like that accent is not as thick as I remember it being it's not even presence in the resident evil movie. She's very intelligible. Okay. I just think of her always having an accent, probably because a fifth element where she talks weird, but she's hacked up. We see the her blood go into the tree we see all the monsters go away, and we see her body divvied up in six different crates being written up by six different horsemen. And so we know the setup for this film. It will be a treasure hunt to reassemble this blood Queen, and I guess release a play again. But where we go the next scene. The first big surprise for me. Huge smile on my face is tempered as I was just like seeing this. You seem like, oh, no this is going to be bad. They not only adapted the wild hunt. They also adapted when help way was a lucrative wrestler. Beco- like this is a story. Line where he wrestled vampire Luca doors, and they go monster hunting like our shot of hell boys him getting drunk Mexico and having to fight a what another BP agent that they've lost track. Oh, yeah. This is what tells me this is a Sofri boot and not a total reboot. 'cause if you're totally rebooting this, you would not have a character. That is well integrated into the force. You would tell an origin for hell boy. And we would see him first meeting Papa and all of that stuff here. He's going down to Tijuana to see his friend Esteban. And yeah, it's a joke. That's telegraphed. But still very funny of he was opposed to be investigating a cult of vampires and disappeared three weeks ago. Why isn't he getting back to me? Well, of course, it's because he's a vampire now, and they find that out in the middle of the Luca door of match. But I guess what you call us off three Buddhist kind of what I do to looking at the incredible hole. The incredible hulk is a reboot of Anglia's hulk. But they don't read till the origin story and things. So that you. Could just kind of go with it and not tell the same story again. I LA amazing spider, man. But I know because again, the crew is different. And also we hear held boy getting this order from Bruton home in McShane Bruton home is alive. He died in that first movie and he's much younger. Now played by Ian, McShane, another big television actor American gods. I'm really looking forward to seeing him and John wick three the summer. I was gonna say I saw the John wick three trailer during this. I'm like, oh, I'm going to see him in a few minutes. I'll always think of him for deadwood. But I don't think he's in a younger than John hurt at all. Well, John hurt was playing much older though. He was playing little old, man. Greybeard old. Yeah. The way Bruton home has played in this. It's it's the whole attitude of the film like we're going to be younger and edgier in McShane just as a different vibe than John hurt. Does. I like McShane. I like this opening I even liked this actor playing hell boy. But I. I have to say it throws me for a loop. That everything that we see here has no bearing on the plot. That follows I thought for sure vampires or this character would continue on that. He would end up coming back with hell boy joining the adventure. But no, he is going to be impaled on the ring and die all of this was just so that we could get a Spanish language cover of the scorpions rocky like ERC, I think well, I think what they're trying to show is like here's hell boy to kill one of his own. That's going to be the conflict throughout the film. Again. It's very golden army from that second tour one it's very similar conflict. I just don't think the characterization is as good in this film. So you kind of forget like what was the point of that? But I think that's supposed to be something lingering on hell boy's mind that he had to kill a human. And yet the humans don't really care about killing the supernatural stuff. Yeah. If felt to me like the first half an hour of this film was very scattered. We're hopping all over quite a few things from. Vampires? I'm sure we'll talk about the giants to everything else. It fella greatest hits of the comic. Like people who've read the comics are gonna love seeing this incarnation of the vampire Lucci libra. And maybe no the giant stuff. But to me what hit me was that rocky like a hurricane song? Because I realized my entire thought when I said hell boy looks young. It was that he looks like eighties hair medal to me. And then they're really going to lean into that. With the music here. Oh, yeah. We're gonna get some motley Crue. It's weird because at one point receives room, and I swear I saw like a sonic youth. Poster. I love sonic youth. I grew up listening to sonic youth. And that's why listening here. That'll it's two very different genres. What's does? And what motley Crue does. All right. I've gotta interject here because it is an opportunity here to do something very different than what gear we'll del Toro did. And since he's not coming back, and we're not finishing the trilogy as it was conceived. I have. Have to ask again. I have no problem with David harbour. I don't even know who David harbour is. He comes off in this movie. John Goodman, I feel like his facial expressions and expressions feel very much played the way John Goodman comes off in Coen brothers movie. But if he's held boy, why is it being played by middle aged man that seems like a big mistake. The only reason why they went with Ron Perlman was because Gary won't del Toro loved Ron Perlman. But Ron Perlman was too old for the part of hell, boy, this guy certainly is to. I'm not sure I'm following you because hell boy he ages differently because he's a devil. And I don't know. It is weird trying to is he got a teenager mentality here because it is being played by older, man. So I could see where you might get confused with that. I don't know. I just it's just a nickname. So yeah, he's always going to be called hell boy. No matter how old he is. Well, this story specifically, they don't give hell boy a romantic storyline. That was a big part of the first two movies and this. It is purely about his relationship with his father figure which to me says along with the name hell boy you need to play it young. And I was just thinking about all the like English actors in their twenties that would be up for this Daniel Radcliffe or what's kick ass doing these days. Debbie over. I could never be built. Yeah. That that's the thing. Like if they want to go for that icon ick. Boy, look, you can't get some twenty something British waif in this costume. All right. You guys are married to the comic book, and I'm trying to re conceive this in a new way because I have no association with that comic book. And I think if what gear will Torre was so specific and rebooting it you wanna do something that doesn't look like that. And you want it to feel different. And again, if he's having all this conflict with his he's still going to call him, dad. This all happened in the del Toro stuff though, you bite it forgotten. No, I didn't forget Ron Perlman was too old to be doing that stuff. Which is why all the folk. Was on the new guy in the love triangle with Selma Blair because the dad stuff didn't make any sense. And here it really doesn't make sense seeing a man that should be a father himself trying to say act like a teenager. I had a problem with that too. I really did. And it's just that. I don't understand I found myself thinking in the movie would he ever become Hellman? No, he does not seem to be boyish. She does not seem to be in a state of arrested development. He does not seem to have an adolescent mindset. He will have some coming to terms with his past and his birthright in this movie, but that doesn't make him a boy anymore than people having the same kind of existential crisis in their twenties or thirties. I did think hell boy seemed like a misnomer for this incarnation. Whereas I did not have a problem with Ron Perlman though. So that's kata me. I'm still trying to bridge. Maybe just because I'd lived with Ron Perlman as the character that that was my vision of it. And now, I'm seeing a new vision, and as making me question, and here's what thing that I liked that this movie is doing that. I'd never got a sense of with del Toro. But when he gets this mission to go to London, and there's all of these British details. I suddenly feel this whole series. Feels kind of like a Terry Gilliam movie or Monty python? Kit, and that there's something about it that feels very distinctively anglophile. And there was so much about the version that felt Americanized in dill Toro's realm, you know, particularly with the agent they brought in the first movie here because so much of it is going to happen in London. Yeah, we're here in Colorado for for a second, and we went to Mexico, but by and large I feel like you'll play into this. You make hell boy, the actor British and you play into the whole British notion of things because it has that kind of British sense of humor. And I don't mind it being an American bumping up against the British sensibilities that you get that fish out of water stuff. Not that they mind any of that kind of humor for this movie. But yeah, you want to introduce someone that's new to this world. So they could comment I guess on what the British are doing. I felt like they put this one in England just differentiate it from the others. I think because it's king. Arthur they got to put it in that setting. They're gonna find his too. It'd be weird. If it was a New York. Well, no, no, no thinking, they have King Arthur because they put it in England not they put it in England because they have king. Arthur. Well, this is all based off the comic. So I think that's why it's here because if you're going to have Arthur, it's gotta beating land. Yeah. And again, I think that if hell boy is a descendant of king. Arthur there should be tied to him being British in some way, Tom hardy could've played this. If he hadn't already done venom. There's there's people that I feel like would really be right for this. That would bring a British flavor and flair to it. No offense to David Harper. Again. I like his performance. Okay. I don't think there's a lot of play off of. I don't think the characterization is written as strongly he's fine. I just see opportunities missed in trying to reboot him. If that is indeed what they wanted to do they fail at that. All say this one I so wanna Tom hardy play movie now. But to I do feel like a lot of harbor is doing is. He watched what Perlman did try to deliver lines pretty similar? That you know, that sense of sarcasm, and yeah, I feel like he's just trying to do Perlman here. I agree. I don't feel. He is differentiated himself from Perlman's characterization enough to where I see a huge distinction. There's more back hair that was gross this saying, but here's one thing I'm gonna throw out, and I know I'm not going to get a lot of support for it. But I feel like this is one thing. I really wanted that does not happen. Del Toro nailed the whole Rasputin, not see satanic vibe, don't make that the origin story. This time to not go to World War Two. It doesn't make any sense that broom is still all these people are still there and they're not aging, and it's been eighty years and yet they look the same as they did in forty three stop all of that. And just rebooted him. I don't know there were lots of if it's harbor and you're gonna make a middle-aged. Well, then there was a satanic cult like Manson in the sixties or seventies. But you could even do that today. You could have it. The Neo Nazi movement of today and make hell boy only a couple of months old and again have it being played by a really young actor. He was really young and healthy to if you remember it open with that Howdy Doody bit. You can have a movie like that. And I would really connect with his relationship with dad and since all of this is about the way dad treated him when he was opposed to kill him. When he first comes out here. I think it's again, I just think having a middle aged actor is a mistake. I mean talking about his origins. It's like you get rasping again. He's never gonna show in the rest of the Phil don't do it. Again. See I was really confused because they start talking about at the end of the war. And I'm like, okay. Well, it's now twenty nineteen which war thing talking about. I mean, obviously, they do that in the comic. Right. And they're not varying from the origin story as it was laid out in the comic. Yeah. It was World War Two in this satanic ritual that the Nazis were doing hell to earth and love that. But I loved it in gear. Most. Vision. And if you're doing something else, I mean, we get subtle differences like that Cronin guy the guy with the gas mask, and he's not a robot going with the comic book version and not the del Toro steam punk version. But at the end of the day, I'm comparing what I'm looking at to what I already saw and thinking. Yeah, this doesn't look as good. It doesn't make much sense. And I tried to let this be as much of its own thing. Look, they're winning me over by doing that wrestling stuff that I loved them the comic and with this, retold origin. They're gonna introduce a new character, my favorite side character. Besides oh boy, lobster Johnson. Who was just like pulp adventurers that has a lobster claw that heats up, and he could brand people or Burgum or melt like so there's a lot of fan service for fans of the comic in this. Even though it doesn't have that dilatory flair. There are trying to pull new things in and I like that as an idea, but it feels like an idea that is like many of the new ideas here underutilized like all, right? If you're keeping it in World War Two. To have loved Johnson be the only one and he's going to be the one to meet held boy. And then broom will come later, and we can tell the broom story later, but it just they blow him in here. Just so we can shoot respite and put his claw print on his forehead. And then he's gone until the stinger at the end just what was this about? I got nothing out of other than damned how Thomas Aiden church. I again was not expecting him. And my thought is sand, man. You can't see his face. But I knew him just from that voice. Oh, absolutely. He has a very distinctive voice. I mean, I know him primarily from wings, but he was great and sideways, and so many other things, but that said all this griping again, all I'm really trying to do. I'm not saying I'm having a bad time. What I'm doing is. I'm saying I'm seeing the same movie as before, and I wondered why they made that choice other than again, maybe they're not trying to totally erase the other movies from your mind if out of continuity, at least acknowledged that you. Must love them. If you're sitting in this movie theater that the love of the previous movies has brought you here, and we won't want to do anything that upsets that feeling for those old movies. And my thinking was this isn't a reboot they're sticking with the comic story. They're showing us the comics story very quickly as we've already mentioned is not like the first two films became iconic blockbusters their cult films as this is a way to keep the comic origin and do it in shorthand. So that I get Spiderman homecoming we did not want to see Peter Parker get bit by that spider third damn time. Just needs a reference it and move on. Yeah. But the short dance too short. I mean, we get this cool lady Elizabeth Hatton psychic coming in here. And the next thing we know she's going to be dead. I mean, again, there's so much here that they don't use lug lobster Johnson blows in. What was the point of all of this once they finally get to the betrayal? I really go with this movie. It takes about half hour to launch and. To act too. But we find out that hell boy has been brought to England under false pretenses. There's this Cyrus club, which is kind of like an old boys club. All white men. I thought it was a strip club in New Jersey that yeah, that's not the one. He's going to. Yeah. What's funny? Addressing your concerns about bringing in the whole World War, Two origins, Asya colomb. They're super old, but they don't age. And it's I don't know. Some magic mumbo jumbo reason is given and then they got a tack that onto broom and this. Well, they're like, oh, yeah. Plays him as well. That's why he hasn't gotten older since World War Two. Yeah. That was confusing Stewart. That's exactly what I said. Earlier the first half hour of this film feels like they're throwing in too much, and I'm trying to figure out what this movie is other than hell boys greatest hits in live action format. But yes, once this betrayal happens, I think we have our plot. I think we're going to see something really occur with this betrayal. Here's the betrayal itself is not all that important either because he's going to be betrayed by this Cyrus club. They're going to try to taste. Him. He's gonna pass out when he wakes up the giants. They were supposedly hunting have come around and kill the whole of Cyrus club. And then we just get to see hell boy do a little bit more action with the giants. I think that's the last moment where I really felt things weren't coherent. After that. When we start getting the ferry coming in as where I think things really start to become a movie and not a best of. But the aspires club is important the medically for one reason. And that is that they're pretty much mad at Broome for allowing this to linger when they explained the origin story. It's lady Hatton in the crystal ball that tells us the World War Two seen they frame it with the idea that they cannot age until help is dead. So is that the reason why broom left him alive? Why hasn't this guy done what any human would do and kill the monster? What about this little red demon? In made him adopt him as a son, and that is going to be a question that is asked throughout this movie. And frankly, never given a satisfying answer it becomes why? Hell boy, no longer trusts broom and really latches onto Alice and this kind of put on again, the director Neil Marshall. I just get that vibe. I got into the descent I got it in dog soldiers where oh there's some attempt to give these people characterization the descent bit better job done there. But I feel like that's not his concern. He wants to get to the gore. He wants to see things us, and you gotta put some characterization in there because that's what makes a story. But I don't feel like that's his primary concern. I'm not even all that satisfied with how they introduce Alice, and what her purpose is in this movie, either to be different than Liz. But I will say this. If the point of this movie is to be R, rated and Bulger and gory. This was when I knew the movie was our I was like there's no way that help way is chopping. Off these giants heads and driving their faces into trees and paling them. There's just no way that this could be a PG thirteen movie. And it's great fun. I mean, I wanted to say I had a lot of fun watching the movie at this point. It does feel like some Dan's ag- music video they never made again, British it feels very much like Sabbath or something like that. I wish they would have got Sabbath and all this hair metal that keeps playing I I just don't like hair metal. But I agree. I love as clunky. Is that opening wasn't as bad as some of the effects were. There's also some good stuff in your like when do turns into a vampire bat when they're wrestling that looks good. I love when they're going through the Cyrus club. And you just have these giant heads mounted to the wall just the descent design. There are things that do look good in this film. There are things that also look really bad. And I'm going to say that if it looks like a B movie with unconvincing effects that plays into a midnight movie steady. I mean, I don't mind I agree. My comparison is Sam. Raimi's army of darkness. Nobody would call those affects good, but they fit the tone of reverence that he has going throughout this movie. This is chasing a similar dragon here. And I think flaying it. I do think and this moment, I don't see where all the hate is coming from this is fun. Hell boy violence. I agree. I knew it was are rated because there were number of f-bomb dropped along the road to get here. So as soon as I heard fuck used liberally, I knew we were in an r rated film, the gore never got me because this is not good guys. This is just not good looking effects in this film. No, it's not avengers endgame style. But for a B movie, it's barely Black Panther again army of darkness, but for b movie that works for me in this feels like a B movie. Yeah. Like, if you're belief is that everything must look photo realistic. I think you miss out on the tongue in cheek vibe like some things look bad. I don't know that. It's intentional. But I think when it's obvious in this giant seen that's blue screen stuff. But I think that that can be kind of fun that kind of works in a sarcastic movie, you can be taken out of the moment and not believe in the realism win. You know, you're having fun, and it's kind of cheeky and this movie much like pool is very cheeky and violent and in your face. I just think that when it comes to action it lacks the adrenaline when it looks like God of war video game. But you like army of darkness. Yes. And that movie looks like shit. I mean, I it does. I have a thing for Harry. How's it? He puts a nostalgic vibe in my heart. I don't know that anyone's nostalgic for bed CGI. This comes off is a nineties attempt at a big budget superhero fill like that is the vibe I got like this would have been perfect in the nineties. Yeah. I mean, I think any generation can appreciate the limitations of previous special effects generations. Yes. Technically speaking this movie looks like ass, but it works because this movie's tone is in your face and showing it's ass. So it works, but in addition to the effects, I'll say that I thought just overall the look of the film was very uninspired. Just camera angles everything it was really flat looking, and I don't know if this was a limitation of the budget and the effects that they couldn't do great stuff with the camera or the way gear mo- does, you know, I love the descent the movie, but it had great use of light and dark, but it didn't have a lot of amazing camera work. So I. Feel like that. Maybe a Mark of the director the camera works in joke killing. So like case in point. We get a p v shot where help boy has been tricked. He's on the bridge thinking they're about to ambush giants and they stab him in the back. He jumps into the water. We see him drowning. It's going to be the end, and then something swoops in and what's the punchline the severed head of the leader still wearing that stupid and a low Pat sinking down into water very Monty python. Yeah. Again, that to me says we're making yes English jokes. And that's cool. Again, it will not look real. It will not convince you of it's reality. But it does set me in the mood to have a good time. Meet this movie at the level that it's playing I'm having fun with it in that same kind of way when hell boy is slaying. The giants got me the same kind of fun moment as Thor ragnarok softening when he was fighting the lava demons Archer, and they were playing leads. Flynn. You know, again, I felt like even when they weren't playing hair metal this movie had a hair metal vibe, the score is very electric guitar and just rocking so many solos. Yeah. I mean, we're children of the eighties. So we were conditioned to pair satanic thoughts with heavy metal. I mean that was the big fear of our age was that if you listen to that music, you would get into the devil. So the fact that we actually are rooted for a demon here, and he's jumping around what sounds like classical music, but played by Eddie van Halen. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's fulfilling a childhood fantasy is I guess the way I would put it and it's right for us. I don't know if it will make sense for other generations, but for eighties kids. They're going to get this joke. I wish it was a little bit more heavy metal album cover, look, though. I mean, the only demonic views we get our of hell boy himself with his shave down horns now another compliment. I'm going to give this movie is that. I feel like at the very least they tread water and arguably improve on the side kicks. I do like Alice as much as I like, some Blair's character. And I really do like Daniel day Kim, he kinda steals the movie when he shows up here, and he was not originally casted. This was a bit of controversy. They cast it a white guy to play this Japanese character from the comic book may got a Korean actor. I guess I'll Asians are the same apparently. But. Yeah. You know, it's better than who. They were going to do. I think at skiing. You know, who he is? Remember that transporter film that wasn't Jason state them. He was also Francis in deadpool. Yeah. Worth thinking deadpool. Yeah. Again, what can we get that makes it more like deadpool seems to be the mission statement? But again Alice blows in here for not particularly good reasons, she psychic and just knew he needed help. I guess and who cares because she's fun. And I really feel like there is a charm to this. And they've taken out the relationship thing. I don't think that they imply I didn't get the vibe you guys can debate me if I'm wrong that again, it's a parent relationship. This movie is preoccupied with fathers and sons, or in this case hell, boy was a father figure to Alice. He was friends with her parents now they're earns on her bookcase they've been cremated. And he's got a meet her as not little Alice, but as an adult psychic. Yeah, feels more brother and sister to me. Than lovers. Yeah. I know point got a romance from him at I thought there would be when I see Allison like we have a new Liz, we do in that she is kicking ass on the by the time things are said and done. Let's keep your mind. He and Liz worked together for quite a while before he developed a crush on her too. So I could see where this film to go on. Maybe that relationship would be there. I did get kind of Zaza beats domino feel off of her though from deadpool two I really did like and the way she was talking to the spirits and able to use it again, the reason I got domino is when she's like, let's get under the table. Why are we under the table to avoid the broken class? That felt very domino in her luck power to me. Sure. And if there is a future romance. I do think it will be with her. And the guy that's coming in with the swat team been Demeo is I think at the end of it. She even says, I really like cats, you know, he's got his secret side, and they'll spend the whole. Movie teasing the idea that he was in the movie predator. Yes. Down to. Was the only one that survived. He says he's the only one survived and yet we see a Jaguar monster pulled him into the thicket. And of course, it's because it turned him, and he'll be spending much of this movie suppressing that Jaguar side. I think that she likes that side of him. And I think that they could play that in the future. But for help way, they really don't give him anything other than his dad like that seems to be the only relationship and now he is against his dad because the club told him that his dad was there to kill him in World War Two, and that was something that had never been shared with him. And he is pretty much the only person to trust is Alice and Alice has a relationship with the photo of this film. We are going to find out in parallel at the same time that we're watching all this giant stuff. There is an evil character going around who wanted to be Alice back in one thousand nine hundred at Jacob. I have to ask. If this meant anything to you because they tease this villain. We just see some old witch who's lost her. I it's probably yoga this is. Apparently, you're not Russia, and this is a big Russian folk tell which character. No. But I've seen ant, man. And that was of running joking FM. And for some reason, Bobby yoga also come up in drag me to hell or something. Like that. I feel like there was a Ramey connection with Bobby yoga, but we see baba Iago being asked for the ability to kill hell boy. But I didn't expect it to be rock steady. From the mutant ninja turtles here. I mean, this does have its origin in the comics it plays. I'll admit this. There is so much in this film. It is over stuffed with mythology and just pulling bits from the comics. And all that it does come off a little bit weird because he's called fear, but he's like warthog, man. And I don't associate those with fairies. But this is all from the comic, this origin of Alice. She doesn't have psychic powers on the comic. But they added that for reasons to move the plot along, but yeah, her story is from the comics. And yeah, there is a warthog, man. He got mad at hell boy in wants revenge, and I really liked this. It's worth pointing out in nineteen ninety two. He was the size of a piglet like he was baby size snuck. Into the crib. And then because they had a horseshoe. It could put the iron on him. His bakery was exposed. And since that time, I don't think he's grown at all. I think that when we see the baba yoga seen he's asking her as a little piglet sized monster cake, and you help me get hell boy. And then she puts him in the path to digging up the parts of new may and amazed the one that actually makes him bigger. That's who forges the deal. I took it as he grew up. Yeah. I took it as he grew up and it later in the movie, we're gonna see he hoax out, and that's because of the blood Queen. But yeah, I mean, we definitely see him when he gets the Saint Sebastian's which may be the first bit of LeMay that he finds he finds the head when we get to this monastery where of course, the joke is they all taken the valve silence. And they have to use chalkboards. I thought it was pretty good joke. I was chuckling through this. It was okay. I mean, again, it it made me think of British television humour. I wondered is using a truck board breaking valve silence. It seems like it would be not moving your mouth. I think that's the valid silence is about I don't know why grew Gotch is needing to go through this motion. If he can eat anyone's tongue and speak in their voice. But again, it's best not to ask a lot of logic based questions this movie as Jacob you're really helping me understand this. It is a string of moments from the comic book that don't have a lot of unity as far as plot goes cherry, picking their favorite bits. They're taking a very long storyline. The wild hunt is eight issues, which a typical arc is four or five issues. So they're taking a lot of story. And then that yeah. Then they're taking a lot of other bits from other stories and putting it into an already very long story. Right. I find myself annoyed whenever I have to ask why? And how. You know, what we understand that? He keeps bringing her body parts the blood Queen is like watching reality TV. I love the I liked it or severed hand is the one holding the remote and just flipping through. But yeah, I mean, supposedly she couldn't get her body parts without him. And yet later she's just going to peer in the moonlight and just natch away. The last body they're very willy nilly about things in rules. And why things are happening? It's gag based is what I want to emphasize here. If you're coming to this wanting a fantasy this movie will frustrate you. If you're coming to this winning comedy. I don't know I was laughing at a pretty regular interval. I can't say that I was laughing all that hard. But I was intrigued I wanted to see how the blood Queen came back together of all things. This was kind of reminded me of board. Ella will blood where we had Queen Lillibridge whose heart was severed and four pieces and you had to bring the pieces back together, and they would fuse together. Her and become whole again. And I just wanna point out died as a film you enjoy. Yes. Okay. Most people I think when they hear something like that that you're digging the movie, but you're happy they're doing something. It's good as board Delo blow. No, not at all. It's merely because I know Delo blood, so well, and Lilith a vampire here a blood Queen that I'm seeing a reused story idea. Yeah. And again, Portillo blood didn't invent that either. Sure, we could come up with a long history of movies where people are reassembled starting with Frankenstein. Let's not do. No agree. But you know, what I'm saying? It's a semblance the villain by Aminian through finding pieces that had been spread across the world. That was my frame of reference a Cyrus club has the less body part. Which is why they get slaughtered by grew much. And this also helpfully allows lady Hatton to die before we even got into. No that psychic we find her. It's kind of a gory scene. Like when when they come here is actually having what she describes as a psychic migraine. She can hear the screams before we've entered the mansion we know that everyone in Cyrus club is dead. And that includes this medium, their token woman, laying there with a crystal ball just kind of revolving around her and this effect that the us with Alice like when she has the dead talk through her. She vomits intestines out turns into a ghost. It's really weird looking. I think that's what it looks like. Well, this what I was gonna say was I don't remember ever showing up. Elway comic. This Alice has different powers than the comic book version. But I know having read stuff an actual seances like people have depicted through art in the eighteen hundreds or whatever like this smoker things coming out of the the mediums mouth. So I thought that was cool to kind of see that on the street. It is gruesome looking though. Yeah. I wanted to bring that up like this is actually how they wrote about it prior to go spa. Stors? This is what ectoplasms was if you were talking about the Colt that it is a literal kind of GAC, it's not green. It doesn't come from slime or it in something like a body fluid like a flim, basically snot it comes out of you and it conform into some kind of ghosts. Not here. It looks pretty cool. And I barely got a chance to know this psychic. But it allows us to understand Alice's power. She could commune with the dead. She can bring him back in this way. And it's dramatic, and this is supposed to be a big revelation to hell boy that room is father figure was supposed to kill them in this start. I guess we could say midlife crisis with elevated because David harbour is around that age, but this is supposed to be a bit of conflict a new revelation about his upbringing that his dad was supposed to kill right. And where do they go with that? Again, to me, it would mean writing a lot more scenes between him and Ian McShane, but he and McShane is just kind of camped out in the basement of. Fish and chip shop. He's working at Winston Churchill's old bunker and trying to figure out Komen books to find out about the blood Queen. This was not on their radar. And I feel like they should have an adventure together. He should be a part of this team with Alice and Demeo for the rest of this movie. I keep hoping fingers crossed. They're not going to kill them. I really don't want them to do that again. Yeah. I agree. I was thinking how tried it is just to kill the father figure time and time and time again, and by casting, Ian McShane who is an actor that I feel is really exploded in terms of his current amount of work. I see this guy all over the place. I never really paid attention to them before the first John wick, and I thought by casting him they might have cast him when they wanted to stick around for awhile again, he's playing broom younger, so I thought that might mean Brougham was going to stay. But no we're going to replay that same. Same story. And I could see them joining the team he has a McShane the actor has a harder edge again, the John hurt and this version of broom just has a harder edge DM. It feels like the cherry earns version of Alfred pennyworth and those ax Neider Batman films. Like, yeah. I see him picking up a machine gun and shooting at ghost or whatever. Always a big fan. I can't wait the deadwood movie is finally happening. He's in it. It's out next month, always loved Edward one of my favorite shows. He's ninety percent of the reason why love to see him in the right role. But again like so much about this movie's good ideas, given very short screen time. We give this weird moment instead held boy goes storming off. And for reasons. I someone helped me here. The elevator becomes a portal to a dimension. Where a house is walking around on chicken legs. Again. That's just the Bobby you blame the Russians for that. The Russians had a myth about an elevator knows about a house walking on chicken legs which lives in. Okay. I didn't understand this elevator. It seemed like they had five scenes to get to this. And then the editor said this movie's running too long, and they just smashed cutted them together. And there's no reason why the elevator would take them into this moment. Other than we as an audience are ready for him to reunite with Bobby yoga, their old enemies. She apparently tried to raise Stalin's ghost and he plucked out her eye. And now she wants one of his yellow is. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Bobby AGA summoned him for reasons because she wants a second I back. But I thought this is where you were going to go Stewart when you said you realize this was already because fighting giants PG thirteen you can see that Lord of the rings. Sure. They don't have trees getting rammed through their faces. But this is like troubling child eating stuff and just that crab walks. You've got these beg legs and those nasty old witch titties or almost falling like, this is some grooms. I feel like, oh, we just put a hell raiser movie to L boy film and combine them I did wonder both with the blood Queen. And here if they were going to just go nasty nipple. But fortunately, they never do. Again. My reference on this army of darkness when we get asked going into the pit, and it's a kung FU which it kind of feels like that when when they have this fight here. It is great fun to watch it works on its own terms aren't a you've always talked about superhero movies there every John right now. I feel like maybe a lot of the pushback against this one because it really is like in that horror genre. And I think people maybe you don't wanna go see all those marvel films, but if you like horror movies, I think you'd be fine with this one they go for stuff here. Yeah. I think maybe if I can speculate as to why it's gotten such harsh pushback. It may be because the longtime fans don't forgive them for switching teams and getting a new director and actor and the new people would never get on board with this. This would never be something. They'd want to see because this is the very definition of Colt against them Raimi's films. Didn't make a lot of money either. There's a very limited audience if. You're talking about a rock and roll which comedy with with our rated violence talking about that seems like it would appeal to every audience. I don't bring the kids. But it seems like the only point of this scene is to really, hey, this is where the blood queens that. So you could get there and move on with the plot. And of course, he does it through deception he says, I'll give you my I he'd never gives her a date. So technically, he could wait all the until he's dead or banished or whatever. So to her. It's like not getting the eye and chill curse him. And of course, be a part of the instinct, and it's really weird. Like, they know he comes back and the blood Queen is regard till midnight. Did he come back like at eleven thirty pm because it seems like they could have got there very quickly and been ready for her. Instead, they're gonna go through some forest zombie start popping up because they can't land the copter close enough to this tree where the blood queens blood is still sitting in. And that's like the last thing she needs Arnie, you said that was disjointed for you to watch the beginning of this movie. I never not feel that I feel like this move. Is disjointed at its heart at its heart and soul the way it's been put together maybe by design. Maybe they love the fact that it makes no sense. And that can be kind of fun sometimes nonsense can work if it's entertaining nonsense, and I love watching a house and chicken legs nonsense. It bugs me that. I don't know why it's there, but maybe not that much. But it does bug me cumulatively speaking that we're now building pretty much to the climax. And I really don't know why anything is happening or what the whole point of it all is going to be. We're back to where King Arthur had tricked the blood Queen into Hughes Excalibur stab here here. Hell boy is going to use his six shooter blow out her. I saw so whole I finish in this movie. What was this thing not ever released in three d like because that is seems like it's supposed to be like wading at you. If you have three D glasses on or it could just be the awful effects that this film has throughout it again that requires money and time and. It was the one time I wondered if this actually got a three D release because that I just like lingers like almost looking at you most of the time, it's really weirdly shot. But the blood Quinn gets our blood back keep in mind when she got torn up by Excalibur her blood leaked into the tree. And that tree was never torn down. Even though it's pretty much suburban all around Pendle hill that tree has been preserved. And now all the monsters are coming out. She is whole and she is going to an Tom Cruise's mummy and wander through London releasing plague and throwing a thorn from crown and making Alice sick, again, just so disjointed and weird all these monsters come out of nowhere. Okay. The queen's they're they're coming. And then like hell they shows up, and they have a whole scene and the monsters just go away. And I guess they gotta be tucked away until the climax when they get come out again. Like, there's got to be a lot of scenes either that were never just shop, but we're planned or that are on the cutting room floor, and they had to get this to two hours. I really feel like hell boys were Jin should have been. Connected to the opening scene. Like, I really feel like maybe it could be this mother or something. But or groom's the Senate was here. I don't know. But I just I want the Senate is their king Arthur's there. No. I mean, brooms not hell boys. But I just really want things to start tying together. And in fact, this movie will never work very hard in justifying white leaps from one moment to the next it does so in spite of logic. And it goes back to what I said, if you listen to our review about how so many first superhero, movies origin, stories do tie, the superhero origin to the villain origin because that way they can shorthand one of the origins here. You've got one that's starting in Merlin. The other starting in World War Two would never the twain shall meet. And thus it does feel like neither is really given a lot of depth. Although I argue that it doesn't begin in World War. Two begins in fifteen seventy four once Alice get stuck with this storm. That betrayer witch helpfully still hanging out by the tree and says, you guys really need to go to the bowels of hell and see Merlin. Well, there's three which is all of a sudden, it's very confusing. I wasn't even sure if that was the betrayer witch. Yeah, she's here simply so she can point them to Merlin who has been kept alive as punishment under a rock and Merlin is the one that knows the full story, which is that king Arthur's. I don't know. Great great. Great granddaughter, Sarah Hughes, Mary to demon in fifteen seventy four was taken to hell and gave birth the help way there. So like, that's where it happened. King. Arthur's granddaughter was dragged to hell, and we only know this because it's a flashback shown when Berlin is doing a data dump and help boy is just been. I don't know sitting in a cauldron for hundreds of years waiting for rescue to summon him. Well, he was cool just being a devil down there. And then he's brought to earth. I just feel like they do better than this. I'm not asking for the moon. But I do feel like they could have told an origin story that had more connection between the various elements. Here's where some of the problem is one they probably just don't have the writers that could pull this together. But it does feel like, hey, let's adapt this storyline which again comes very late in the hell boy, mythology usually. Yeah. If you're doing a first film, you're gonna take something from issue one because that's the origin. And here they're taking some very late in the chronology, and they're trying to make it an origin story and trying to do something different than Toro did. And I just don't feel like they have the talent to pull all that off. That said I really do like this. I've I've always liked us about how the temptation of his destiny that the reason why Brougham was going to kill them in World War Two is because this creature is prophesied to bring about the end of the world. He is after all on on Rama and not hell. Boy, hell boys, the slang name for a beastie. That is going to take Excalibur fly around on a dragon and chop people down in a really awesome sequence that insofar too easy. That is heavy metal cover. It really. Is it should be Judas priest or are something it reminded me what the stakes really are. If I haven't always felt in. Of course, help even says, I want some stakes that makes sense. Here are the stakes is that if this guy actually draws Excalibur fulfilling that destiny will actually bring about the end of man, not the end of these monsters, and we wondered that that was the teas of hell boy to was in saving healthwise life. Did in fact, some Blair Duma all here, we're going to kind of get some answers to that. I feel that every hell boy first movie is going to have the fiery crown and the fully grown horns, some apocalyptic vision. Ian of hell boy, destroying the earth. It's like the hook. Yeah. It's like hoax match. You gotta show that the hulk is dangerous, and that it's not all about being a superhero. And that's the stakes withheld. Boy is that he could destroy the world at any moment if he gives into that temptation, yeah. And I feel like even better than del Toro by having this moment here. I really got how cool and scary. That is and it does he rejects it Merlin uses the last of his power to bring the stone up. There's the sword. Spinning in it. Go ahead and grab it and help ROY won't do it. Even though it does have the power. Maybe the only thing that can kill the blood Queen. He doesn't think if he touches it. That's who he'll kill there appears to be somewhere time limit on grabbing sword that I don't get is. Like, you waited too long is this video game that not hit exit time. Do you see the graphics on this film? Yes. It's video game. Merlin only has so much magic. And by doing this at least is allowed to die. Now, we see him fall down a moth escapes his mouth, and this kind of a cool tracking shot. It gets eaten by a crow. Did love that. That was a good joke. Yeah. And brings us to our climax. We see this is where blood Queen is walking down destroying sidewalk cafes. If feels like a hard cut all of a sudden, she's walking down like flies or covering people. Go I guess, we're at the end of the film already like they're no gradual release of these plagues. It's just boom we're in the middle of it. I actually thought we might have been at the climax when Excalibur came the first time because it does feel like the showdown between the blood Queen and hell boy and ninety minutes past. I know 'cause I'm checking my watch. So it's like is this the end I had no idea how long the movie was going in. No, it's a full two hour movie. This is the first one where the hero, quote, unquote, loses. And then we're going to have yet another chase before we. Get to the actual climax. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Because I did know the time on this. And I was watching the clock. And when they get to the church there is literally thirty minutes left on this film. There's only two villains to fight. I we gotta get the little piggy. You know, he's there hoped out. It's not actually help boy defeats him the blood queens gonna get rid of him. Yeah. And of course, debate is going to finally allow him. So he gets pinned by some falling concrete. This is the gives them the impetus to finally be his monster self. This wasn't a surprise, right? We've seen him. Injecting something and retaken that flashback. I thought they took footage from the predator. Like that had to be a joke. Right because it's shot just like the predator, but rec- that Jaguar get him. Like, okay, he's going to turn into that. At some point. I didn't take it necessarily as an intentional joke so much as a lack of creativity with the jungle predator seen. It is shot. Exactly that we like it is really shot. Similar to that first breaded or they're not trying to get away with anything. They know you sell predator. And they're having a laugh this is again, it's cheeky this feels like a comedy to me. And that's it's a joke. And I didn't catch that he would be aware cheetah. I saw him injecting himself with something. And I didn't quite know what? And by the time, he was ready to be stout. I know nothing about this character. I remembered later I'd seen a trailer where he got punched in the face and turn into a cheetah. But I hadn't remembered it at the time, I'm thinking, Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde thing going on kind of lake league of extraordinary, gentlemen. So when he turns into the cheetah all right where we'll cheat. A thing. I'll go with it not only that. But he was just he was so hard to like as a human. He get such hard attitudes about monsters. He seems fascist about squashing them. And it's brought up Alice's the one that points out. You know, like they were really awful to which is back then and he's like, well, this is what it takes to to fight evil. The fact that he himself is a monster. That he is like hell boy in the fact that he lives in two worlds. That's a nice ark for him. And I do think Daniel day is really good in this role. I actually think I don't know. I could watch spinoff movie with him. Oh, yeah. No. I don't like him at the beginning. And I like them by the end. So that to me tells that actor worked for me, he repulsed me when he is supposed to both me and got me on his side when he's supposed to do that. Daniel day, Kim is an actor. I really liked in all the seasons of lost. So I recognized him right away here. And I did think he was going to be an antagonistic. I thought he was going to try to kill Hella. Boy at the first moment, I didn't realize he was keeping that bullet. As a just in case. Hell boy starts to go evil. I thought he kept it just as a I know how boys going to go evil and the first chance I get I'm shooting him in the heart. I mean, he makes that joke. I'm gonna shoot him in the heart because his brains to small so I really didn't see him being a good guy and part of the team. So it was a nice turn for me. And yeah, I always found it. Funny because despite being Korean I knew Daniel day, Kim, couldn't actually speak Korean on lost. It was a real trouble for him. So it was interesting to see him play with a British accent. And he is in a long line of this movie of characters that have been contemplating killing hell boy. I mean, it started with broom the very first person to meet the demon was there with a shotgun supposed to take him out? Why didn't he do it? Well that comes back. We see that the blood Queen is actually taken dead hostage, and once very conveniently we find out that the tomb of King Arthur is underneath this could be drill and help boy is thrown into it based yet again with grabbing Excalibur she basically pushes him over the edge and angers him by with a flicker finger opening up his gerrad, artery and killing and mcshane's character. And I'm like, no, not another death for this character in the first why do you have to be so repetitive? I was still hoping he could be saved. I was like they may actually think that the. Because we've seen this character die. This may be a Mr. act. It was very sad for lots of reasons, including the fact that I like, Ian McShane, and I'm tired of cliche that we are going to see the exact same story line play out and dad has to die which will not necessitate this character becoming hill. Man. He never seems to mature. But he does get angry enough to grab Excalibur and us become on on on Brahma received the crowd. She the horns, and I got to say they had have used different makeup because most the hell boys really tough to look at this film. Like, it did not look like that production still that they released look like that makeup was barely staying on him. This cheekbones are just very high extreme. But it looks like they changed the shape of his face when he becomes king hill boy has the fire crown and the huge horns, he got a better look at that point. Yeah. Again, I could've used more of this. I mean, I know we don't wanna have a giant climax where hell boys slaughtering human beings. But again, these are some of. The most exciting moments of the film. He raises demons, right? It just his presence. Just taking on that form. We see the earth open up, and like all these demons giant demons like you get a lot of gore here. I love it. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense like in nothing is really done with these monsters. But I'm having a lot of fun in this little sequence at fifty foot clown. That's like its legs are stilts beer, you that was fun spear. Yeah. I felt like some of these creature designs seemed like del Toro cast-offs, you know, a little bit pans labyrinth, by way of the discount special effects shop. I here's the thing. I don't know where Toro ins and the original comic book, art begins. I cannot say what was conceived before del Toro. All I know is that my whole association with this world is his touch and since I know all of his films. I know what that looks like here again, I just wanted more just wanted more of this. We could have gotten to earlier we could have seen. Help be evil for a little bit. While longer you say, it's a long comic book, art. But I feel like there wasn't a lot. That's happened for him to do. So we could have gotten here earlier. But I think for lots of reasons they just decide to have him not pursued this destiny when he hears the sound of his dead coming from the afterlife, thanks to Alice. She does another act. Oh plaza spit up, and we get one more, Ian McShane monologue. Oh, it is bad. This gets a little sappy. Right. I mean, first of all I never needed to see topless CGI and McShane second of all there's too much time for them to say goodbye. You know, it's like if you're going to kill the character, tragically allow it to be tragic don't give them goodbye moment. That's the thing for me. It goes on to on. And it looks way bad like I turned to my wife. I'm like, I wasn't even paying attention at this point. 'cause I so distracted by how bad look, I'm like this isn't good, right? Like this. Looks awful. And it was distracting to me where it was just like hill. Boy, I'm proud of you. I guess that's what he was saying it just looks off looks like machines was like floating, and they couldn't quite get it to stay on that body. It looks as good as Ghostbusters to is what I would say if you like that aesthetic. I wish they were using a puppet like Ghostbusters to here's the frustration. I've needed broom to explain to me why he didn't pull the trigger on hell boy in nine hundred forty three. And all I get is. I love you like, I don't get any better excuse for all of this Jabber Javer here at the end. I never understood why this human said, I'm not going to do what I'm supposed to do and kill a monster. And that was what the whole movie was building to. And it just drops that ball. Like it's dropped every other ball that it tried to juggle. Yeah. I was thinking we'd get something there. We get this. If I have wings, it's because of you. But yet it never explains why he made that choice. Did he have fatherly pangs? He feel his men don't have a biological clock. But did he feel one ticking? Anyway, yes, if the psychic that was there and the other Cyrus club that we're there and Demeo wanted to kill him and all these human beings, if it's the human impulse to want to kill monsters. What about broom made him resist that human touch? It's an important character trait, and this is where you miss still Toro because del Toro if nothing great affects all that. But he also brought a motion and relationships to all these crazy monsters and humans running around. And I feel like that is this moment is when I missed Torah the most agreed. I mean, we get the point the point is I love you. And so because someone said I love you hell boys going to swing the Excalibur and chop up the blood Queen again and throw her head back into the depths of hell and all is saved sort of. I mean, I do think like London is on fire. Like it's saved in the same way. Like Notre Dom save right? Yeah. It doesn't pay up. Of London, and you just destroyed and then it's going to be like what one year later, six months later, something like that. And I'm like, oh, they're gonna show they've restored everything in London note there just on another adventure. Like London is in shambles at the end of this, Phil. Yeah. And have to go to Siberia by contrast Iberia is looking good. We find out Alice has joined the BP, and that she and hell boy or actually going to be joined by Demeo and storm something called the Atlantis society. I didn't get it. Oh showed a mermaid. You shoulda got. It. Would they punch out one of the guys? And he's got like a mermaid tattoo. Oh, yeah. I just didn't know we were going to eight Sapien. But oh, I had a feeling I'm like Lantis gonna mermaid this has got to be eight CPN's introduction. I didn't catch it either. I just Atlanta's there were so much playing. How many secret societies of white men? Are there that it rolled off me? Yeah. Not to mention all the motley Crue going on it just again, I thought it was another excuse to rock out, and it is. But I. I also think that they're telling us that if you were missing one of the probably major essential characters that we really loved from the first two movies. He would be there in the sequel, and then we get a couple of other scenes that I suppose would be leading to a sequel if one happens the I I really don't get held boy is at his dad's grave drinking and Thomas Haden church shows up as a ghost. Yeah. It's weird. Because of the way they introduced lobster Johnson. Like in the comic the first time. You see lobster Johnson is as it goes the shows up and helps held with. That's the thing that in the comic a lot of time just like random go show up to help out. And then you get this whole back story about who lobster Johnson. Is here you see him at the beginning. He shows up as it goes. Again, if your family, I am this is great. But I don't know if it works for anyone else having never understood why should love lobster Johnson. I was left a cold by the scene. It would only make sense to me if this were the only. Only character that help ROY had interacted with in World War Two like I'm at my dad's grave, and then another character that's long since dead is coming back, and I'm meeting them. Okay. But here it just kind of find out how boys a fan like he's just he kinda geeks out at seeing this legendary Nazi killer is told that he might have won a battle. But they're still a war to be waged. Then the second scene. Bobby Iago really wants her eye and some voices saying he'll get it. I thought they might be going with Merlin because she promises that she'll finally let the stranger have what he really wants which is the die. And that was something Merlin expressed. He wanted to do. But then I remembered, oh, he died like how could it be Merlin? And I was thinking, oh is it rasping? But no, there is another character in the comics again based on Russian folk lore. So make sense that he's hanging out with Bobby yoga. You could read all about him on Wikipedia kosh key, the immortal or the death-lists again this. Russian folklore character that hit his soul and an egg and put that egg in a and that sound like Russian nesting dolls that old pink comes from. But I guess it's introduction of that character if we ever a sequel that will never get for this film. I'll these bright we said Alaska is worth pointing out half of the hell boy to review was us saying, well, this is the end of this one. We're never getting in L boy, never say never should be the lesson as we walk away from this. But I think you're right. We'll never know who Bobby Iago is really dealing with well, how badly do we wanna know? Jacob Stuart do you recommend hell boy Jakup? I was worried when I went to go see this movie because again that thirteen percent on rotten tomatoes. That's not a good sign in the fact that I went on a Thursday night the opening night for movies now. And usually I buy tickets online. I went to go do that. And it's like select your seat. I'm like, oh only five people about seats. I'm not gonna worry about my tickets early. Uncle pick them up on the way home from work. So I. Have I go to the movie theater to buy the tickets head of time? Oh, those same five seats. That's all sold so far, and I get there. And there's like maybe ten people total. I tell my wife, I'm like because we all love hill boy because of what Dell toward it. I'm like, I just want to make sure you have the right experts for this film because it has gotten awful reviews. And as I sitting there watching it, I'm like, I don't know why this awful reviews. It's not a great coherent story. But it's fun. It's be movie fun. It reminded me a lot of again, I reference nineties comic book adaptations, I gotta judge Dredd vibe off of it, which that's not a great thing. Because that's Silvester. Stallone movie is awful like they went real ambitious without one. It's like, hey regard this comic book material. We don't really know what to do with it. Let's just throw twenty storylines in and rob Schneider for some reason. It flopped, and yeah, this one is over stuffed just like that. But I think if especially for fans of now playing we got a big contingency of horror fans, I think this is going to work for you. You got a lot of pus a lot of gore and blood and drippings, and yet it's wrapped up in a comic book superhero movie, but the fun of it is what's different than with del Toro. Did it feels like a lot of critics couldn't get away from what del Toro, so they trash this movie. This is a different beast, and it's more about the Qatar solos and the monsters bleeding and putting in gushing and all that kind of stuff in. Yeah. It's fun. It's not a great film. But it's fun be midnight movies. So I'll recommend it at that level Stewart. Yeah, I agree. I've seen worse was by reaction walking out of that. I didn't have a great time with it. But I thought it delivered the base thrills. You would expect from a hell boy movie. They did the minimum requirement to get a green arrow. And I don't know why anyone would hate this other than just swearing allegiance to what had been done before by Garo Toro. I get that the dead pooling of hell boy is the diminishment of del Toro. But if you forget all of that. And say I wanna be movie with a demon kickin ass to heavy metal. I think that there is a lot of fun here. I think the supporting characters really more than David harbour who again is good, but not giving much to do and seems to be directed to do what Ron Perlman had already done better. I do think that what makes it most fun Daniel day, Kim Sasha lane and just some of the visuals and the bloody nece, and so, yeah, if you like Sam Raimi's army of darkness, you wanna crude parity of our theory and legend full of splatter and kung FU and bad jokes. This is it, and if you don't want that no it won't convince you otherwise it's not good enough to sell you something if that's not what you want. But if you know, you're the audience for this. Yeah. Don't listen to the haters. I think you'll like it. Okay. Yeah. That's kind of where I am. Did they have a hell of a good time? No, did I have a hell of a bad time. No. I don't know that hell boy is a great. Maybe heck boy, you know, it's like. What the hack err on the side of green arrow here felt like as you said the words bare minimum came to mind. I had a fun time. I think I can acquaint at least part of that to the soundtrack of hair metal music that I love and grew up with. I do think this hell boy actor is fine as hell boy is he going to be as conic is Ron Perlman. Maybe if he gets a couple more movies, but in a first blush, I don't think he had the wonderful humor embodied the characters. Well, as Perlman did meet a Yovich. I didn't even recognize it was her. Ian, McShane we hardly new year you're gone, but I liked Dallas. I like daimyo, and I'm intrigued by what a sequel with ghost Thomas Aiden church might be like I think they did enough to differentiate themselves from the previous one they didn't bring back apes API, and they didn't bring back Johan. They didn't bring back Liz at felt different enough where. Basically, you had the BP had hell boy and you had his dad. They didn't redo the origin story. I just feel like the movie feels chopped up though, it is a little bit minced around. And it took a while for me to get into. And the look pulled me out of the movie if you times, but it was fine. I mean, I know a rotten tomatoes score the lower. It is doesn't mean people hate it. Just means less people like it, you know, kind of like us they rate green era, red arrow, and if you're ninety percent of your critics or mild red arrow that looks like a ten percent. So I went in thinking, though, I'd talked to people at Star Wars celebration who didn't like this film. I'd seen the rotten tomatoes score. I knew nothing else going in. And I'm like, you know, maybe it's the benefit of low expectations. But I had a good enough time. It was better than I expected it to be based upon the trailers and the stills we recommend. And what I say is when it does come back as a TV series with entirely new creative force. Please don't do any of this stuff. Again, like just come up with new origins. Trust yourself to have ideas of planting demon in a new way, and yeah, just captured the spirit, and that will be fun to watch. But I don't wanna see respite. And again, I don't wanna hear World War Two you'd think that they did enough to differentiate with Gail they'll Toro. I think the biggest problem I have with this movie is that it doesn't feel rebutted in a fresh new way. It feels like they split the difference. And I could've used a lot more originality. It would've made me much more passionate about this vision instead of feeling like not as good del Toro. I agree. I don't think we need to re see anything del Toro did in these movies. At least not yet. You know, it's kind of like the dark Knight because Batman begins had to establish this new Batman before you could start revisiting the joker who was the first villain of the last Batman, continuity. I think this hell boy. Still needs to establish his own identity. A little bit more before you could go back to any of the stories of the first two movies head or maybe it would only be the first movie because the second movie was so del Toro, and if Mike McConnell is involved, I could see him going back to some of the origin stuff. Like the first film had. I don't see him going to any of the fantasy of the second one. And I think we're all saying the same thing we didn't agree about the order of the first two movies. But this is the worst of the three hell boy movies. We would all rank this the weakest, although we're all giving it a green arrow. Yeah. I would say week. It's worse that makes us aound. Like, I disliked it more than I did. Right nine green arrows in the series, green arrow. I joined it I smiled throughout it. Yeah. But it is the weakest of the three. Yeah. Agree. I have no attachment to it. And it's not just because it's the newest I hadn't attachment to that first. Hell boy, the very first time. I saw it. Oh, I went out and started reading helpfully comics because of that first one this one, I don't think would convince me to do the same. No nothing about this. Makes it hit home. It feels. Like, so many reboots were discussing we're not going to remember it in a few years, but everybody's still going to remember del Toro. I remembered not liking hell boy too. Because all I really wanted to see that summer was dark Knight. And just get this out of the way. And I think similarly I would enjoy this movie if I had already seen of injuries in game, but come on. That's the movie we all want to be discussing and next week. We finally will you have no idea how much I just wished. I was going to the theater to see endgame is dead of hell, boy, I think it out today on the internet, or at least some of it. You can go see it. Now. Some of it did if you're spoil it for me. I will kill you. I want to know nothing. I can do it. I'm wealthy internet enough that I can totally miss all of the major spoilers that are going to roll out. Plus who believes what people say on the internet. Anyway, there's actual footage though, that is lead. I've not been able to find it, but actual footage. Was leaked. Okay. I thought you were saying the people that have seen it are talking. But if you can literally watch the movie, oh, I don't know not the whole film, but like five minutes of footage that gives a lot away from what I understand I'm excited. It's the movie I most looking forward to this entire year the coma nation of twenty two movies eleven years of excitement twenty three if you count the humans. Does I'm taking them out of the credits. We did we went to to see that. Spoiler alert in humans will no longer be in the opening credits of vendors. Come and game. Then snap in the in. Humans went to dust. It was dust before they ever got here. Anyway, if your kids are too small to watch that movie, that's probably the only people not going to theater to C N game this weekend. But if you have real young ones, maybe five year old six year old not appropriate C N game. Maybe they'd enjoy. Honey, I shrunk the kids. Instead, we are going to release a podcast this Friday might as well be that one. Maybe somebody wants to hear that groundbreaking nineteen Eighty-nine nine Phil. According to you actually gonna argue that if you listen to the show, you'll know why? Well, that's this Friday for gold level donors patrons will more than likely get to hear endgame uncut Saturday morning as that's when we're recording it and then out for. Everyone else next Tuesday. So thank you for listening steward. Jacob. Thank you for joining me. And until next time go to hell boy. What makes a man a, man? Friend of mine was wondered. Origins. Goes to life. I don't think. So it's the choices. He makes. No now, he starts things. Now, we sides to end. Thank you for listening to this episode of now, playings hell, boy retrospect is series. We hope you enjoyed the show. Yes. We're out. Come back to now playing podcast dot com. Each week for another new movie review podcast second date. And while it now playing podcast dot com. Short adjoin, our forums where you can discuss the helpfully movies with other listeners if there's trouble. Free. And then the Nell playing podcast dot com archives. You can find us of other comic book films such as Batman versus superman. 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The night go by. And hell boy is one of his agents things go to hell though. When a pig like ferry named cruise. I have it grew rich grew rich things go to hell though. When a pig like fairy named grew against wants revenge on hell boy for a previous attack and to do this. He raises Nim you played by Mia Yovich the blood Queen. Who may right new may isn't it is it saw it so fresh. I hate names. I didn't understand it when they're saying to the movie. Yeah. I hadn't either the blood Queen new may I was planning on just calling the blood Queen and this review and to do this. He raises new may played by Mia Yovich. At least it got Yovich. Right. I'm not calling her Jovic yet. Probably like the fifth element. I'm like my going to even be able to understand her. I gotta say she's much more. I get understand or now like that accent is not as thick as I remember it being it's not even presence in the resident evil movie. She's very intelligible. Okay. She's american. She is. Yeah. Okay. That explains her amazing American accident. Yes. She days confused. Yeah. I I don't think she's for an issue. I'm looking it up now. I can't. Yeah. Now, we need to sell it. Because I mean, I'm just going off gut instinct, I never thought she was four. She was born in the Ukraine, which makes sense with a name like Yovich. Okay. All right. Yeah. Born in the USSR Kiev now. Okay. I wasn't confident. She came here when she was five though. Okay. I just think of her always having an accent probably a fifth element where she talks weird. To differentiate themselves from the previous one by not having who is Seth Macfarlane's character. Claus Claus echo. Plas- mcmahon. It was Claus. Okay. I know Klaus was the fish from American dad. Maybe that's let me look it up real quick. Maybe that's what I'm confusing with golden army Johan Johan.

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It Happened in Florida 07-15-2020

Woody & Wilcox

06:54 min | 10 months ago

It Happened in Florida 07-15-2020

"The. Show I, so what we got here is what we call around having in Florida in. You're new to the show, and that means that real quick. What are you going to share three stories that are taken right out of the headlines of the day and could happen anywhere all over the world. You either officially playing along or just on your own got to identify. Identify, which one of them happened in the crazy consistent state of Florida? If you WANNA play, being official contestant is looking for you right now. At eight four four four WW show what he'll kick us off with the first story story number one is about being left alone. What? What was the age that you were? I left alone where your parents felt comfortable. Sort of going out for a date night and be like all right well young Wilcox Young. Chelsea you're old enough to stay here by yourself. I didn't keep a diary so i. have no idea I don't remember thirteen forty. Forty. have no idea sounds about right I. bring it up. Because the parents in story one left their nine year old home alone seems that touch young to me and do you remember the first time you were left alone with the parents there? How quickly did you insert darts into your backside? I'm sorry. Dude in story number one. He's nine was taken to the hospital after inserting dart in the old. Pro Tip if you're not a DART player, that's not how the game is played, and you should not do. That sounds like a bullseye to me. I'm baiting weather allowing. I'm sorry. Simon has given you the Buzzer on that one. Is it in Florida? Where they left a nine year old home alone, then had to rush him to the hospital because of Darts. I'M GONNA. Need more on that story and I hope you have more on that because I feel like a crime had been committed, up or to put yourself in this position. Chelsea, your in your home, and then you know this is something wrong with your walls in your house. What does that mean? They are sort of darkly stained and you hadn't noticed this before. You assume that maybe it's a little bit of damage from storm that had rolled through not that long ago, and that somehow water had leaked in, and now as staining the walls of your home on the inside, obviously said there's a Dr that's a sewage problem, right? Keep guessing. The storm melting animal. It's not blood which would be. Nice oh my gosh to the to the shining. It's not a what now animal melting. And sort of the juices round I, no. They actually had honey. Dripping down their walls. Why would they have honey dripping down their walls Chelsea? The IB high in their attic in Fest Station of these that they had no idea about was so bad that honey was starting to crawl down their walls, like in the shining when the blood came out of the walls. Copy of. Tales from the CRYPT YOU'RE GONNA call bs on that one. There's no way they had no idea i. have you ever been around to be hive? It buzzes. Okay literally buzzes you go okay, and so if they had so many bees in their annex slash walls. That honey was dripping down the. There's no way you're not like honey. The light fixture. That's posing well. Listen! I'm not I'm not so argumentative on let. The it happened first of all. Why didn't they catch it I? Don't know I do have some audio. That I'll share a little bit later on, but my question is. Were they in Florida eight, four, four four ww show, you can get in now. What he has the third and final story Third Venice story has to do with a guy who is going viral. After a picture of him was posted online. Actually, it was a unique picture that somebody took from here of some Manta rays that were swimming in the ocean. I'm going to go ahead and show you the video of the guy who did not put on Sunscreen, who is now online being referred to as hell boy? Have you seen the movie? Hell, boy, you know who you're talking to Ron Perlman plays the iconic comic book character. Who is bright red and I'd say this dude. He has not put on any sunscreen and his as red as a tomato. So I'm sorry you're doing a story about a guy who was sunburned. What I what I missed the beginning of he's gone viral online for looking like the Comic Book Character Hell boy usually. If you're that badly burned, you can't function. He looks like he's got at least second degree burns over the top half of his body. He may need to see a profession because he was outside and didn't put on sunscreen. Right okay, and then you said something about man arrays. Arrays, that's where the initial video was posted of Manta rays swimming, and then everybody's like Oh my God. WHO's the guy in the lower right hand corner? That looks like hell. Boy, okay I think I understand it better now is it in Florida eight four four four ww show Daniel is up I to try and solve our quiz. Which one do you think went down to the plywood stay Daniel? Number Theory ABC News in Florida initially posting the picture of Manta Ray swimming as a unique little news article, then people calling him a flaming, Hot Cheetos, Oh and hell, boy, that's when the news article began to go viral, the family that had honey dripping down their walls, because they had so many bees living somehow inside their walls. Bucks County Pennsylvania is where that went down I've got some audio. The couple was interviewed about the situation, and maybe that'll answer some of your questions what he will do that in the in the next segment and in China, where the nine year old was taken to the hospital after quote, accidentally inserting darts into the old. After his parents left him home alone. Not sure how to react to that. I blame the parents. That's a little young. But. All Right fifteen minutes later. He wanted to do again all right. Chinese thing. I'll go play the audio you from family. That has the be infestation. Whether or not what he game Wednesday coming up here in the next twenty five minutes or so. We'll show.

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Halloween Water Cooler: Doctor Sleep, BoJack Horseman, Cronos, The Shining, Knives Out, Harriet, Pixar, AppleTV+, Jojo Rabbit, Dolemite Is My Name, Undone, Sleepy Hallow,

/Film Daily

1:37:15 hr | 1 year ago

Halloween Water Cooler: Doctor Sleep, BoJack Horseman, Cronos, The Shining, Knives Out, Harriet, Pixar, AppleTV+, Jojo Rabbit, Dolemite Is My Name, Undone, Sleepy Hallow,

"Pullover welcome slash on daily for Thursday October thirty first managing editor. Jake Paul Ello hello weekend editor right omen okay so it's Halloween today tonight I'm wondering what are you uh-huh his driveway with him handle candy and drink that's my entire plan nothing special Erin you're normal clothes or are you going to dress up I'm gonNA wear my I moto absolutely nothing you know remove fans she gets scared to easily and can can have nightmare so coming up and going out my wife and I might watch a horror movie or something we have a couple of things on the it'll bend those are both great you should watch those report back yeah sure Ht Concert with her boyfriend elite alone. So I don't know I might do laundry or something Chris you're the I mean I you know Halloween is is a big deal for me to be a big this year I didn't really do much I mean I'll probably watch something scary but Halloween weather for me and I don't feel like doing anything ask them an hour from now and I don't I don't fuck and feel like it stay Wayne Halloween season I mean there's I have like a handful of movies I always rewatch off year I'm just tired it's tiring year two thousand nineteen to get out of here basically just like a street that's closed down and people in so we're going to get dressed up as hopefully have some fun okay let's get into what we've been doing in that what Oh that I went to the Penguin Max Expo it's the medic magic convention in Culver City they celebrate the go all out for Halloween and this year they went with a and I tweeted out a link to a video of that so if you WanNa see that it is actually very impressive replaced with something and if you have figured out all the clues and got everything right you you win so I went to to haunted events I've never been to in it's in thousand oaks which is like way out in the valley Huge part of this mall that they basically they sell tickets it's like twenty dollars or if you want hunted mazes last maybe like five to eight minutes long so well even though like you can tell they don't have the budget of like a hole in her nights or even not scary wiped out by that I mean like everything's nicely but I I I highly recommend this fear in La and you're listening to this to see and The other hunted event I went to is called Los that used to be an old zoo so abandoned all zoo I always thought so we went with our friend Dan Rosana and hey you're taking through the abandoned you you know all these scenes happened around you and scare actor wanted event so they they play play that up the one thing that was actually really interesting about this a knock in the house and each house there'd be a different things one house would wish like someone like Disney would take this approach with their Halloween parties because that you're in La haunted hayride although I think La Haunted Hayride La Haunted hayride started on shark tank in an the power what have you been up to nothing that exciting Peter I'm going to be the past six months or so I've really double down on strength training and my cardio training and I kind of fell off of jogging and running back into that adding this GPS and it you start and it just tracks we running like little voice will tell you when you've reached mile markers you can listen to music and I'm saying you've between Mile Chart is like you know here's the calendar time you've been you know your time calories tracking running or jogging or speed walking on that wall so this APP really in that is called map my run Matt my run so do you like dry my walking distance but domino going and try to figure out what my there's trying to tie myself on like you know a stop watch APP and it never out of the whole bunch of us you went to Pixar I did I went back to Pixar onward so I'm not allowed to talk about anything but we saw love and yeah it was I always love going to Pixar it's you in the near future before the movie comes out in March so stay tuned for that yeah for that film Mike how how's The campus transformed for onward so the Star Ball that everyone always takes pictures with their they actually made a real version and inside the lobby you can check my twitter or NC the photos they had these fantasy fantasy based games showing off various items and locations and it was pretty cool you mentioned you went to the Pixar gift shop in people and what else do I a I bought some stuff for my my parents the has the the star ball on it I haven't seen that there before that was pretty Cool Ama- but I had never seen it because if I did I would have bought it by now but they had a stuffed really that's awesome kitchen will be jealous because she loves Gerald it's an upstate New York and that was my first time visiting it I actually wasn't aware that ends and all and it was something called the mayhem and murder tour into the residents of Terry I was really excited though about holding the doc through and especially at night which I've never done before and then then cortlandt manor and it's basically that about seven thousand of them that are shaped into random like statues bridge that was made entirely of glowing pumpkins ever carved as well and spouse it kind of turned into this a little bit Kinda Gaudy but really fun and really like theme park experience now headless horseman nor of kind it was just a very idyllic sweet fall Massachusetts like enjoy that like they kind of know like they probably celebrate bunch of the streets into Halloween themed streets they definitely it wasn't the official name of the town until just recently like it was known as that what we've been reading Jacob what have you been reading this week having next year and this is a very surprising book so I don't want to go into much detail because and the COP in Oklahoma who's trying to get to the bottom of it and essentially the book presents an impossible case But I'm very curious to see how gets zapped because there's some stuff here that Hbo Proceeds Series Starring Ben Mendelsohn so we'll see how that plays out it's creepy mysteries watch three books I have not read so suddenly a character from those books pops up halfway so that's my school I'm going to go read the rest of books I'm not read I made a list I think he was seventeen eight ureter you're gonna read seventeen books by the time has new book ribes May it's like a blockade Billy elevation which are one hundred pages long so I think that one I about Kris you look at my list on twitter when you actually different seasons that's the book with the Shawshank Redemption in it and the body which when and where do you fall on on the outside and as you read the bill hodges books before this or were you so and those are like King doing mysteries this I conjured pages that turns into a completely different thing and I didn't really basing the trailer for the HBO show and be like Whoa. This is not what I was being sold because I feel very it is GonNa be interesting if they don't really hint at supernatural stuff you in Chris are going to have to collaborate on a definitive ranking of every steven king book ever published by the time his new book and let it bleed comes out in May I'll finish the bibliography of Stephen recalled game of thrones the costumes and this is one of three books from there's one about the photos of from the show like from the set photographer and then there's get to the stuff that I'm really excited about and this book is super captivating as somebody who loved teams came together so the book is written by Michele Clapton who I think won five Emmys Peter Yeah you and Brad both on that book but it is a off like in the world of the show Michelle Clapton decided that the great joys who are this clan of them to sort of assault their enemies while they raided villages and strongholds taking into account the resources and the the wealth and the environments of it went into these costumes that really build on story and character and all that stuff in her mind it reflected his delusional belief that he was like more intimidating narrative experience but if you really like zero in on these costumes you can learn so much more shocked at how much I loved reading this thing and it comes out on November fifth so if you WANNA check that out again Chris what did you think it's good I posted my review on slash spoiler but it boils down to this so as I'm sure most people know has always been a little bitter about that he does not like the changes Stanley Kubrick made to his book retiring to King's book which is a sequel to the novel or he could find people consider to be like one of the best harm movies ever made so he had Kubrick and king have were in Coober case had very different Oh for all the horror he writes is really kind of a softie the world clash and so when Dr Sleep is it incorporates Kubrick stuff into the movie and that's it overall it's got a lot going forward it's a big emotional horror someone has actually given her that is good like she's been stuck in like chunk like love it I liked it yeah I'll edging toward love here even though I do agree with so we'll talk about that and strange the absolute best in the movie comes in the towards the it was sticking to the actual book which actually is not a great people we ever and it's almost is the Kubrick stuff that kind of invades in the last act it's about that when the time comes but I'm retired about this when I visited you appreciation or interpretation of this movie because I'm I just have seen the shining you kind of came away from this with like the opposite feeling as you guys I couldn't wait for in the beginning could have been trimmed because I just spent most of the movie waiting for I do think that it's well-crafted and and certainly like it was sort of dragged its feet a little bit and I that that may be because it was sticking despite with what I saw I do agree that Rebecca and was really good I think this is a superhero powers that these characters have nobody actually refers to them as that but you can sort of see how giving money or giving this movie maybe a little bit bigger budget because it has a lot of shared DNA with flexible whereas in Cuba vision the shining which just an excuse for people to see like mine we live of almost an X. men movie over the next bend vibe here Harvey with that people in Haunted Hotel using psychic powers battle each other I think I think that we're at ends up that was when the suspense sort of ratcheted up for me but for because it's treading narrative ground that we've seen so many times before real horror movie am I right folks I will say this finds a way to make them a lot more interesting in the movie than they are in the book yeah those okay I still need to do this for let's move on it's eight episodes The final eight arrived in January and after watching these animated TV show of all time I mean Simpson has golden hour but you know it it's been old and it's emotional for as long as the Quality Abo- Jack I sitcom or or it is going to you know tell stories that can be another medium that there idiom top of brilliant character writing I at at hurt so long argument between two characters who are having this brutal real break-up the evading them at an ev never seen a balance like with comedy Stephen earliest I'm saying maybe seasons four through eight up until now the best stretch animation in American risk saying it's the best animated show of all time but it it's it's definitely show about you know animal people and it is that but it's the characters are animals but it it understands the human condition and like goofy cartoon on Netflix that does that is incredibly impressive oppressive tracks all the characters finding pieces of happiness where they can about what may happen to them yeah I'm I'm a little unhappy that I just know like the minute it comes back it's going to be not like you are Jacob like this like I don't think I've ever cared for intimate like usually the fact that you actually are like on the edge of your seat dreading or have growth but they always abandoned by the next episode because he always been turned to status quo Bo Jackson writers I remember and it means that every single episode matters in a way that no other had it looks silly but a horseman and the thing that there's my dad would be like why are you watching the silly cartoons and I was like he quote cartoons in that makes me sad because of becoming my dad but it's not that it's not the one thing I will say Peter People listening to is it about the time but literally the first half of Bo Jackie's weakest show ever is an as we'll never review a show again to complete season because there was because they were so blown because it really does find voice in really does become something that I think is remarkable that's what happened been watching this week as I said spent two days at a magic convention I spent two days at the Magic Castle there screeners for their upcoming shows for their streaming services I a ton of choices and she was like the morning show in a I was I'm like bits and pieces in like a montage of the trailer that they showed at the whole I I think I can speak for this entire podcast whole we've been very in very kind of like networking like in the way it's shot and presented like the and I wanNA say first off the first ten minutes has Jennifer Aniston saying the F. taste or don't situations and that's just wrong may maybe they won't have you don't know Jennifer Aniston plays the host of the morning show and there is a search for a replacement for him and her career is kind of this show feels like the newsroom which I really really love has lot this whole thing seems almost already out of date which probably in Friday Night Lights me era I mean one of the Writers Mimi leader on you know she's just she is bringing we're spending the money to promote like lots of covers got it's funny right in the show was very sound stage that's that's probably one of my biggest complaints I I Kasit Com actress than you know whatever but I I am very surprised some have really liked it some have called a kind of like sorkin white that brings but it it is real I don't know I I as the show at all the other show we started watching I am it's from Ron Moore who give give us a battle star Galactica give you the most minor spoiler for the first two minutes of the show here around TV's or inter cutting their watching the TV as the first the moon for the first time it's a great achievement for humankind and as the Americans were not the first people to the moon it was the Russians so it's leading to what if the space race didn't end is basically the you know take on you know what would have happened it reveals some real things about the comedy I don't like I it brings this is the show that everybody's talking about critic critically this is the the most critically more wants to every season go through a decade of of the trick show but it's it's building up like you know what if the space race didn't end what if our you know have we aren't GonNa jump on and Subscribe Apple TV plus by a lot of people actually get that for I'm GONNA keep on watching it I also watched some Disney plus screeners which stuff one of our writers Josh Beagle up to date while we were recording he felt that he said wait until there's more here or wait until something else happens do for other people is this were sampling in your opinion well people are paying fifteen dollars a month worth shows before game thoenes on each Vietnam I'm blanking of UH are less I I guess none of these shows are on the level of any shows oven honestly most of us in this world get new iphone every couple years people in this world because that is a stupid things correct yeah any any phone or computer or anything you'd get a year free yeah five my laptop my TV two years old and it works fine what it sounds like you're going to is that show alone worth sixty dollars per year why don't think you're gonNA it is a little bit more drama than it is like Sci fi but it's Oh i WanNa give the money for his well the answer to that is no so I'm really I'm ars also that much so I I can't make the judgment for you fair rabbit I think the backlash against it is weird and dumb and I think I take it with TD's Taiwa but also people who have been blinded into fanaticism have the ability to redeem themselves it will make my end of the year list capacity for sure binge watching one episode a week taking my time and this is the best show Amazon's Audie and can travel through time and space with the help of her dead father it is requites wishes to highs of episode two but I really hope to through the experimental bold animation undone is very much in that camp as well so is very much my thing I love so much about we've devoted a lot of time to watch already so I will move giving anything away I'll say I liked it until I didn't there's a it had to be oh Chris I'm these opposite I did not like this until I did OK awesome like what if bubble boy wasn't a haunted house and it's directed by Syrian foy. Yeah I was really not on board with this until there's a very large reveal arrested okay perfect by the way I think it was released paramount may may have made it but they maybe a good Halloween view check it out but speaking of a in the year nineteen ninety nine for Harvey's opposed to scream it is a disaster Gerard Butler it is a bad movie but also if you like me and remember vividly Portland Dracula two thousand a relic era I saw draft two thousand in on on compact disc but I also know just based on my memories Amazon actually have this on the criterion Blu ray still saw Amazon prime to watch out powerfully good movie does is scare you Hopkins is and how amazing feel like his choices here are so incredible I one thing I've always noticed but really knows unharmed movie literally in her shoes people are staring at you and you either expressions we're at she's undervalued it really allows you to feel her journey in a way that I the I'm kind of wondering because I know this podcast is generally because a few years ago when I decided to bend in physical media that's what happened to me for me the big difference is that the criterion lambs has all kinds special when I'm already had two alcoholic ciders and when I have a dog or cat on me I was going to the best possible version if you're never GONNA go grab it off the shelf so I'm I'm preparing okay Brad you haven't been on two no but I I did take the time to watch dolemite is my name this is a movie that I was I used to be much funnier and then around the the mid to late nineties started been worth you know talking about other than his you know supporting role in dreamgirls for it to it I I actually I'm surprised that we didn't get to see this movie at Sundance Finger but with a with blaxploitation style because he owns the true story of Eddie Murphy top pimp kind of character who also apparently knows kung-fu isn't with with nothing you know he he puts his comedy albums and all the profits from Nicholas a over the top kind of movie and it's it's very funny Eddie Murphy I'm very excited to see how his career continues to come back especially with all Donald Dolemite I haven't but this made me want to go watch it just for a good laugh for anybody else out there who's listening I know that the original was on Amazon and then Dolemite is my name is on it looks like it looks like they did a pretty damn good job of recreating scenes from that movie you have con the context of the Bio pic may help you appreciate what it does engineering story on this mentioning just for for the record I guess because I also sure yes Ben would have been watching so I re watched the shining before and visual references and obviously like clear Maggio's but some stuff that's like a little bit the Office of the of Jack Torrance's boss of the Overlook Hotel in the very recognize that location and it's not even in the overlook it's like a totally different it's also I mean yeah hot take for the shining is a good movie but it's for subtle about it than Dr Sleep because Dr Sleeps sort of hits you over the head with its message is it's impossible to recapture what made the shining so special so I think he cbs of like directly comparing the two movies but I think it will give you more of an appreciation for the I've been reading tons of Agatha Christie books this year leading up to it this is Ryan Johnson's new murder mystery parasite or portrait of a lady on fire in my year end list but it's definitely elaborate but not too elaborate and I love the characterizations I ah after so long like he's been in some things here and there during his run his captain America where I I was never really excited about that when he was captain America I was just excited about seeing Daniel Craig's accent is very extreme but I and I thought it was gonNA put your fears to rest but the big question is did it ruin all of Star Wars it comes out I think later in November so definitely added to your list of things to see arsenic and old license from nineteen forty four directed by Frank Capra we actually started watching to watch so we finally came back around and watch it actually doesn't really have much to do with Halloween at crazy misunderstandings and it's essentially about this guy who marries think that they're doing those guys a favour by putting them out of their misery in life and he discovers is reading that Frank Capra wanted Jack Benny and Ronald Reagan and Bob Hope movie characters doing elaborate double takes like like super exaggerated like how would you describe it you know what I'm talking about super like over the top where you would never actually do that in real life cary grant actually does arsenic and old lace it's it's kind of a fun movie but up to this year by most humility moment of my adult life on this podcast eight to run some errands outside terrarium and famous walk Jacob so sorry soul-crushing and I watched we watched three other movies sort of over the past three nights I think early and I thought it was very like people in my generation I was worried that watching it now as whatever thirty four year old that I would be but I think in that it seemed I don't know there's another movie he's like you know gone around the world and back over the top again like a couple of bully characters that reminded me of bulkin scully for our typical bully and his best friend just repeat the last line that he said it's like that kind of vibe yeah that's what I was GonNa say actually because I think like you're right about Bette midler and the adult actors going Midler at you can tell they're having a lot of fun with other doing even though they're being asked to do a lot of ridiculous stuff Overall you know kind of fun I can see the appeal I think if you haven't seen this movie free-form Hocus pocus there's a way to do it and then two other sort of family friendly the things from that that same sort of early nineties time period that I never saw with my own and and this sort of did the trick Barry Sonnenfeld directed both because it has a little bit of that same ed moments that would maybe feel cheap and sort of dumb in another really great and their dynamic relationship is pretty perfect and pretty equally The second movie I was actually really impressed with concerns this big go to a halt and go like delivers the speech about native American rights and like indigenous peoples family values okay and finally ht what have you been watching Areso as the slave former slave turned abolitionists and nick and like veers on the formulaic side but Cynthia revote is just magnificent it's very it's very rote but nothing is wrong with the good crowd-pleasing fastening wrinkle that I found that Harriet does that it takes the the really make that textual so they incorporate the sort of paranormal series of really looking counts because of these visions that she receives and in that sense little by the numbers but Cynthia Revox is definitely the reason to watch it is the debut feature from Analii our import an sorry Anna Lily and it recently got added to the criterion channel where I got to check it out on men who disrespect or assault women so she's kind sleep more style than substance because there isn't really much to this movie but the style and a really interesting sort of as interesting feminists twist to movies on the Criterion Channel did a double feature of too early Gammel backbone and heartache guys that gambled us her really knows how to direct I believe the many classic vampire elements in it's it's a movie that's very Audra till tomorrow directs this movie it feels almost like a hitchcock. The lead was an older actor it's an Argentinian that an actor I had a great time watching it and also was surprised to find out the Ron Perlman was really delirious performance and federal Lupi at the cost of thirsting for blood so it's yeah it's a lot of fun that's Cronos and you could say that it's kind of the beginning of Yamamoto Saga of dark child protagonist who is orphaned after his father is killed by fascist on that ominously warns that everyone in that orphanage will die Louis of Childhood Innocence Story on to the backdrop of political the some it's the Gemmell Tatar really amps up the Ambra each channel HD excuse me I wanNA know if you we'll allegories star fantasy that is a good question that and the shape of water I feel like it should be streaming somewhere and it is not basset movies I think these three are the core of who he is a filmmaker I'm really glad you you which is my favorite kind of goes story yes and you also saw comprends unit yet either yet this weekend actually half teigen hd are now editors-in-chief seeing it again is like unraveling a Rubik's cube that fit together is just like it's just so ingenious and the first audience and a full theater is packed on Tuesday night and it was a packed theater theater when everything goes down the movie The guy next to me was saying what the pro so uh-huh okay then see parasite because h. e. in Ben both say tasty treats so first of all I don't know if this new bit was new and I always hate them because I always wished that they were better that they were offering me something better taste in and the crumbling them I and I recently discovered that they have chocolate. 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Closer To God

Fame is a Bitch

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Closer To God

"From workhouse connect in a j Benza. Vein. He liked to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky sex camps is the guy put the cop and the peacock network. Okay. Bitch. Hey, everybody AJ venza here fame bitch for February. I twenty nineteen boiled boy, the next two months of an tell the tale. They really will. I very I told you this before. Feb in March not been friendly. So dukes up getting in shape is a new new company. That's gonna advertise the podcast that I think is going to be quite effective for me. And you guys some ready for February March and our that fucking twenty eight day months. It's an ass kicker. The weather's tough especially you guys out in the middle of the country and east coast. It's crazy and come the Eid's much. Listen guys before I start ten plus talking about getting in shape ten plus a metabolism booster. I've talked about this now three days this week. That's how much I feel great about it. 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Your discount will automatically be applied. Let's do it gang between this. And the thing talk about next week that has to do with kickstart Nahra our health and getting back into being in shape. Even though it's a it's a tough time of year to get out there and do it. But if you do it now, you get ahead of the curve, and you beat those idiots who started may, you know, what I'm saying. So let's get hard. You know in the hard body. Let's put it that way. Got to be careful with the show. We're always talking sexual here. Know, look, I gotta tell you before I go into the show. I've been bitching moaning about Bryan singer lot. I've been bitching among about what's happened to kids because the mother fuckers like him kids young adults teens the whole thing. Look, we gotta do something. And that's what today's patriot was about as we gotta do something as Dulce to send a message. And it's too many fuck is on Twitter and Instagram. What have you ain't who ain't saying anything, and they have the platform they have the power and a lot of these idiots use it for for for for things that I don't even care about. But they think well, you know, look at people look at the things that people play for on game shows, the the, you know, the charities they play you wanna go. What are you? What are you doing pick something more important than that his might chat? My charity is let's stop kids from getting fucked up abused, mentally physically motion. Let's all do that. We got us the way to start. It's simple. Don't see these fuckers movies, man. I don't care how God damn much you love, Freddie. Mercury. You know, you you you you can speak in the tiniest reverential tones when his name comes up. Okay. Because Freddie was great. But you can't speak about Bryan singer, so mention how great the film us just start there. You know, you think about how the government and other governments have gone after Julian Assange, a guy who divulged secrets that that could hurt our country and other countries they that like this guy's going to be killed these live the life of seclusion in fear. Looks like he hasn't seen his son in sixteen years. And then you look at how Bryan singer lifts say the glaring Apocrypha in his world. We so God damn man is how how Bryan singer acts about all this bullshit. He, you know. His biggest his biggest comeback was that in the article in the Atlantic. He had this big comeback long. You know, he said, you know, that there were murmurs that he'd been but might never work again because of all this stuff and his big combat was euro, homophobic. You kidding me? Really? That's getting out of this. We're home we're against gay people. That's what we're really mad about. Listen. He's not listening. But if he was I'd say, hey asshole. I don't care. What whole you put it in or take it out makes no difference to me enjoy yourself? Okay. It's about your hunger for little boys. I'd want you dead. If you refunding giraffe I want you in prison if you straight and you're in my family, it's not about gay straight. In fact, we're we're he's headed he's never gonna stop being the enjoyment of tons of men who haven't had the time to see his movies, but boil boy do they identify with the I five. Words of the song the movies based on. I'll help you out, mama. Just killed a man. That's what's going to happen. Him in prison. Tesa getting some shit now not shit. I'm getting some people poke in and making some comments on social media about my my yesterday. My patriot about the jussie smollet situation in how I I'm not quite not quite believing all the details. And with this guy says happened the sandwich to AM the news the bleach in I. Levy do don't Tanti m z because they're sitting there today going. Well, why would anybody believe Jesse smell would may believe why wouldn't they believe him? I don't know. What what Kellyanne Conway said? She got jumped by two black guys at two o'clock in the morning while she was going to get a subway sandwich. And they put her in black face. Who would believe that story as horrible as it sounds? We'd all be like, what's why you getting the sandwich. What do you Audrey order ubereats while you walk in the streets at two AM? It doesn't make any sense. You know? But here's here's the his the puzzling pot because yesterday I had to entertain a couple of people couldn't fathom. Why felt that way about just one girl said, you know? Well, I don't know what what what don't you believe like I had to believe every facet of his listen. Honey, you're young you're black. You love empire. Let's just forget it. Let's let a week pass. And let's see if details change because the picture they put out is two guys walking across the street. Could be anybody. I don't like this. I've been arrested a couple of times in my life. And when the policeman asked you for your phone, you give your fucking fault. And if I had any sort of alibi on that phone whereby they could hear me and my manager speaking during this attack. I would throw the phone to the cops before they asked. I'd say here here's proof. But no Jesse don't wanna give them the phone. First of all, I find it very hard to to to being a battle for your life. While you're on the phone. I would think you put that in your pocket, you hang up. You put your dukes up and you try to protect yourself, particularly when there's a new Scone around your neck, but the whole thing of him coming in and not caring about another forty minutes later making the call from downstairs in the lobby and he comes back downstairs, and there's a rope around his. You know, what just let's just wait. Let's just wait. Used to be a time before cell phones where you could stare at a window or look up at your ceiling and reflects now, there's news and entertainment in your face all day instead of reflection. What's happening now is nobody has nobody has a personal thought anymore. An original personal thought, we're all a lot of us are always getting somebody else's view, somebody else's angle somebody else's talking pointer argument, and you find yourself talking to people, you know, or dumber than you. But they're just merely taking somebody else's point. And having it pass through them out van nor original thought anyhow look. Singer ain't the only creep who's been fucking with kids. Okay. We know that and I talked to you guys months ago about these the cult leader John of God the idiot would put scissors up people's knows and act like he was taken out of cancerous some shit, the one that ultra anointed as the best things in sliced bread. This guy's been accused of running the sex slave farm and selling babies to the highest bidder on the black market. Why gotta be called blocking don't worry about it. It's not racial. To share a d-? Yeah. John guy was arrested a week after over six hundred allegations remain against them. And prosecutors say this could be the worst could be the worst serial crimes case in Brazil's history. I hope you got somebody on the ball on the fence at six hundred five eighty five Jesus guy seventy seven years old spiritual world, you know, this guy could do it all that all crumbles in December when he was accused of sexually abusing some woman on TV finally somebody the balsa say get your elbow off my tick while you putting scissors up by knows. There was a dentist down the street. My house Dr Hank Dr Stewart Hank and he was one of those nosy guys who walked around the neighborhood when the neighborhood was a brand new development and people are getting pulled put in and fences put up, and you know, it was it was the early seventies. And this guy, Dr Stewart Hankun, my father called him the wandering Jew because he'd walk around the neighborhood looking everybody's business. You know, and we all went to Hank in me. My sister's my mother my the whole neighborhood when he was the first dentist into developing. He made a fortune. He even smoked imagined onto a dentist. Now. He would actually put the x Ray film on your tooth. Tell you to hold it. He going the X Ray room taking few drags come back with his cigarette smelling fingers and working your mouth, no gloves back then. And according to my sister's he would kind of position his body is on whereby his elbows were on their tits. I just thought of that. Because John of God anyhow. So worse than anything else is that there's these six hundred, you know, similar allegations from around the world from countless women, and he's denied them, all obviously. But there's an activist named Sabrina Bittencourt and she's claiming that. He ran a baby trafficking operation in which kids were farmed in Brazil before being sold to childless couples around the world. And, you know, look this chick fit in court. She's good her previous investigations led to him being arrested in December. So let's listen to what she saying. The fucking person's really doing our job. She said that these women. Were murdered after ten years of giving birth. So he go to these these areas that were kind of bad and people weren't doing. Well, obviously need aid heavies. He's he's had his agents take these young girls. He's teenage girls out of these developments in promise them food in a place to live. And once they were there, they were basically prostitutes, and and they just got fucked by people kept having babies and the babies result babies, a sulfur as much as five hundred bucks a pop, and he had hundreds of these girls all around Brazil. And apparently, according to Bittencourt these girls from ages fourteen to eighteen would be killed ten years later. And you know, he offer them money and they live in mineral mines and farms. He owned all around Brazil, and you know, they could pregnant the babies will go to the highest bidder from people from all over different continents. Unbelievable. Hundreds of girls were enslaved over the years. And killed after they gave birth and. There are reports that. Adoptive mothers of these of these children would pay between twenty and fifty grand for these went to these babies in in Europe in a stray area and in America. I don't know anybody who just suddenly has a baby. I, you know, I know people who've adopted it appears to be, you know, a typical straight by the book adoption by wonder, you know, I wonder what there are people who really want children so badly. I wonder if they didn't know what they were getting I'm sure there are some people who knew and turned a blind eye. But there are people that I'm sure if it's that many women who are being pregnant, there's gotta be people who are babies now that had no idea there. They're the mother of this child was killed ten years later at the ripe old age of twenty four. You know, you can't pump out babies at twenty four machineries China old and kick those tires. Don't look too. Good. Unbelievable. So this guy's John of God, you know, became a real big shot around ten years ago when Oprah. Infre- visited his his country. And she went and had a thing done to her. And she said she almost fainted from the blissful encounter. And of course, you know, if you make Oprah calm, you might as well be second in line to God. Because you know. Anything Oprah touches. It's your member. How big it was. So is fame begins to rise. And he becomes the country's most celebrated faith healer renowned all over the world. And he did nothing. He puts his nose with cotton swabs and pull shit at you know, they're awfully shit. They're awfully even. This guy's daughter said, my father is a monster. And after this arrest recently was issued he was on the run for a week. And I like the fact that he has a enough money that he he withdrew nine million dollars from several Bank accounts and police figured he was trying to flee Brazil, of course, and high the money in case of any compensation claims, but they also found a bunch of firearms and large quantities of cash in his house and his house, which he called his spiritual retreats he finally handed over himself to cops December sixteenth. I don't know why we're not hearing about this until now month and a half later. He said, I surrendered to divine Justice in his promise. I now place myself in the hands of earthly Justice. Guys been charged with two counts of rape and two counts of statutory rape. As detectives continue to look into these abuse clans on shore, those numbers will rise a loss. And as in case anybody shocked, let me tell you who also is friends with him. And actually was so moved. She made a documentary about him. That would be the crazy creepy spirit cooking bitch. Marina Abramovich, the one that the Clintons love and the pedestrians. Love and lady Gaga loves and the people love to go. Look at our art exhibits with dead people dead children in which she paints in blood. You know, it's just it's like I'm in a different world sometimes, but I'll tell you open fee. Sure. Enough to pick those friends hobby-wise Hillary Clinton John God. And don't forget she was recently on David Geffen's three hundred million dollar yacht. Right in the middle of all the Bryan singer bullshit. In case, you guys you're listening to this show and knock the patriots. I'll give you a little tidbit. They get on get you should not spring them with the five or ten bucks. Not being manager saying they've given has been Bryan singer's protective for over twenty years. He invested tens tens hundreds of thousands into the D E N network that singer was a big part of and it was really a front for all these widows like Gary Darden, got answeer and Mark Collins rectal. I call them see rectum to just annihilate and tore and rape. And and just destroy little boys lives and David Geffen as protec-. Bryan singer ever since and David Geffen is the mouthpiece mouth piece of the Hollywood reporter. That's why you'll only see positive articles about Bryan singer in the Hollywood reporter because David Geffen is part owner of the Hollywood reporter. Actually. No, that's wrong. David Geffen is is is a great friend and co owner of the LA clippers with a guy named Todd belie Todd bow lake runs. The company that owns the Hollywood reporter. So Geffen has a big say in what gets printed in that wreck. Which out here is the bible. Now finally a bit of good news. But ironically, good news, you will not find delivered to you on the news. You know, no mainstream media reported this why I have no idea this is hope in a box with a bowl on fifty victims of human trafficking rescued including fourteen miners in a sting across California that netted oh three hundred thirty nine arrests of scumbags. Some victims were as young as six. In fact, fourteen was the most common age LA county sheriff's office officials said that ninety three human trafficking task forces in teams from various counties were part of a three day operation. They called it operation reclaiming rebuild you better. Believe Donald Trump was right? Fucking behind it. Sorry back a little political Napa. Let's call a Spade is pay the guy said from day one. We're going after people abuse kids. So I gotta gives the credit to somebody and lake Dona Chuck Schumer. These fucking people. There are pimps that they rounded up pimps who put victims up for sale individuals who who solicit sex acts from underage teams. And a lot of these these kids were saved from the underground world of sex trafficking. There were runaways there people who lost in social media, rabbit holes and chat sites and just just insane. Parts of the world that you, and I will never know. But some of these rescues and somebody's arrests were really dramatic. And it's a shame. You don't get to see him that should be a channel. They're the that. We have a couple of great shows on what cops do, but this is Pacific import right now, we should be hearing about this ship. There's one adult man who was seen sexually assaulting a six year old girl in multiple video showing graphic child pornography. Another guy's thirty year old was founded arrested within one day of. Thirties coming across these clips another case of seventeen year old girl was Lord from a nearby city Fresno by a guy who she met online. And she believes she's going to have a relationship with the guy. So she brought up fourteen year old sister long to make the move with her. Let's go to Fresno. I'm going to have a boyfriend the fuck of wrong with these parents where all these parents. They get the Fresno right away. The guy makes the two teams work in prostitution. No kidding. And he's threatening him. If they talked he's gonna fucking Lacombe around and whatever fuck. You know, he was there pimp, and he sold the girls to another pimp six thousand dollars three days later, so they made enough money for this guy is selling for six grand got only knows what they went through in those three hour days and a few hours after that law enforcement officials were able to track down both victims and the suspect and they were connected with the victims victims services, and they would take it home. Thank god. Meanwhile, the fifty four year old man fifty four that's like me with a fourteen year old girl makes I can't even I can't it's like me with the girl. My daughter's friend disgusting. He's taken into custody after sending photos of hundred dollar bills to a fifteen year old boy he was trying to groom and entice into meeting him at a park for sex. And the teens. Thank goodness actually undercover. Decoy who later arrested the guy when he shot up a love it. It was a three day. Statewide, stink took place in January and. I don't know if you know this, but it's fish Lee recognized by federal authorities as national slavery and human trafficking prevention month. That's January is put that down your call on your calendar next year. I don't know how the fuck we come up with these names. But I'm glad there's something there something in place for these good people to rescue these poor souls, and we should fuck in here about it. Who cares about Cardi B? And what she says about the president who cares about the shit. They're showing us, man. We thank my tippy top my cream of the crop alley. Chichi train net Mahoney. Cross Angelique Keller Audra fortune chris'll among Elise. Chris lowest Chris, Dr Debbie ends, George Kenna's Katrin speed, Catherine Stewart Kelly on seaport many Valentinas, Melanie how Melissa spiritual Nicole Patterson. Patricia Markel, Ryan Wolfe. Sarah. Sisley Galloway Todd. Ran Wendy MAC asleep. Gabby. Gotcha poli Krista John stat, by the way, guys one quick update. An update on the Conor McGregor rape story. I told you about a week ago or so apparently the girl in this. This story has dropped the charges. This is a story about Connor meeting grow to bar outside of Dublin and raping her so badly. Apparently, she was on a period and didn't get rich to take out a tampon when all the way back into his serve X and had to be surgically removed. Throat was throw her throat had marched on a consistent with him putting show Cole on her. Like, you would as his opponents in the ACTA gone. Just a terrible story. Palley? This girl has dropped the charge. Now, the story is very violent gang in Dublin. Call the Kinderman gang, and the story is they threatened describes family told it to accept the payout from Connor or else. People are gonna get hurt. And she did now there are people out there. Let me throw one big allegedly over this whole story because there are people out there, including my editor at star magazine. Dylan howard. Wasn't buying this story. And I respect him a lot. He's had a lot more stuff run under his nose than I have being the fact that he runs radar National Enquirer star in touch everything. So he said I don't want that in your column because his good as it might sound. I, you know, not gonna mention a person being up for rape on just one source saying so and I get it. That's admirable. Actually. In other words, he wasn't even he wasn't comfortable with me saying iris Irish police officials say because I was getting his information from sources in Ireland and who've never lied to me. But you know, it is a rape case. And I gave that to you guys on the show. I saw paperwork on desk of an editor at an Irish newspaper that had verbiage consistent with this story. The kinda mcgregor's called in to be questioned by detective about I said that's enough for me. Anyhow. Wasn't enough for Dylan Howard good for him. Because story never repeated anywhere. Never appeared anywhere in prints. So maybe it is absolutely. Because of what happened with this violent drug gangs street, gang or maybe it's because. Maybe never happened such as the life of a gossip columnist and people who look at these stories and vet these things all day Conor McGregor is certainly the kind of guy that has been getting in a lot of trouble. There's talk about him loving the book sugar too much, and we all know, his tremendous athlete. But as a temper does things that the hundred miles an hour. I tend to believe that he was called in question doesn't mean he did it. But I believe he was called in question at any rate. The girl is not pressing charges on anybody. I'm a big I'm a kiss fan it. I've seen kissing person a couple of times actually, maybe sixteen seventeen years ago. I saw them incur person at Dodger Stadium with three d glasses. You haven't seen anything until gene Simmons? Tom is coming at you in three D glasses. Ladies, I'm telling you. It's a panty dropper. I'm only kidding. It's not it's disgusting. But look big trouble in the in the band. So, you know, the the co founder in the extra tars ace freely. He slammed gene Simmons recently in a in a Facebook post. I just love when rock and rollers argue on Facebook. The fuck is happened to us. He accused the Simmons of groping his wife, and he got real mad. He actually told him Agassi and guitar world that you know, actually Simmons toga tall role. He wasn't sure if as freely impeded, Chris whatever be part of the band again ever again, he said Eysenck. Peter have gotten three chances. They were in and out of the band fired three times for drugs or alcohol for bad behavior being on professional. They weren't carrying their load. We love to have him back and join us here in there. And if they don't it's not going to be because of us, but they're never going to be in kiss. Again. We would welcome. The jump on stage for song or to of course, can we depend on Asian pita to a full set every night, not on your fucking life. That's what gene Simmons set so freely went crazy. Geniune memory is incorrect, I was never fired from Kissi quit twice not three times on my own free will because you and Paul control freaks. He said they've on trust-worthy difficult to work with. And he said, you're slandering me about my bad habits, basically said he said he's been sober for twelve years. He can't keep calling somebody drunk or drug out of this over twelve years. I get his frustration. And he said, you know, I've doing my I'm living my life the right way. Gotta hear us talk shit about me. It's gonna affect future work that I'm going to get. But basically the big icing on the cake is what freely accused Simmons doing by the way Simmons was accused of sexual misconduct in groping a girl in December of twenty seventeen. So that's out there. So freely says to him the icing on the cake was when you grow up my life and propositioned her in LA at the capital records building behind my back while I was trying to help out what I was trying to help you out in your vault experiences, which I only found out about several weeks later. So he's going to do his favor for his for for gene Simmons, and he finds out weeks later, he grabbed his wife's ass or tater something the white was planning on going after herself for the lawsuit but freely talked her out of it. So he's demanded an apology from his old bandmates as well as an offer to rejoin the group and kick out this other guy named Tommy fair. If that doesn't happen ace really says this shit will hit the fan, and they'll be no stopping it. Here's the thing. Guys. I've got my share a calls from women over the years who offered me proof of all these fares. They've had with gene Simmons even recently even within the last two or three years. You know, poor Shannon, tweed his wife. I mean, she has put up with God knows. I I happen to know very well that he was fucking Anna, Nicole Smith for for for a time. Even old actresses. I I want to say, I know I'm wrong when I say, Yvonne, decarlo that's not who I mean. But I can't think of the name. But gene, Simmons bang a very old actress who was well pastor prime. I don't know why I think it's von decarlo. Maybe that's impossible. I don't know it might be. I haven't Google that. But I I know I heard something like that. When I was at the Roxie when I would a bunch of rock and roll guys, but I know a chick who was really tight with him, and she said trim strips. She's gene trimmings is good. She said Simmons really treats women like shit. This woman, I know traveled him here and there, and he got a problem being handed me. No, he sticks his tongue out everywhere. But he's got a problem being handy. And he's thinking that you know, all women want him because of who he is. And she says in a largely fans don't complain 'cause they're obsessed with gene Simmons in the van. But every now and then like recently, not recently. Maybe years ago there at the San Diego comic con and even polish with models at different booths lick their necks what his big tongue, and he would see how far you can go down their neck into their cleavage before. They'd stop them. He also had a move where he would hold a woman really close when he met them. And he'd say don't move on coming. I guess he thought he's being funny. I don't know. But clearly this girl tells me the women were like really uncomfortable and another time after a kiss show and Phoenix they went back to the hotel and the concierge is a female attractive, and he took about a ponytail and he held onto a ponytail led her around the entire hotel the entire time. She was talking to him about the room and the facilities, and and he just wouldn't like over ponytail and the girl asked him. Why would you do that? She was clearly uncomfortable. And he said I like to see what I can get away with because some famous and that pretty much sums up his mentality of how he behaves around women, and it brings up something else. I wanna to talk about the other day that I never gone to speaking of rich, really rich man, and what they get away with. I spoke briefly about L. Embarking, and when she was married to Ron Perlman and how you know she she kinda knew early on. She didn't want to be with him put it that way. But she kept asking for jewelry, expensive, jewelry, and he kept buying it. And she had a plan. She had a plan and the plan was as soon as they got separated before. And according to my source there was still thinking about whether they might get back, but Ellen new one game back and Allen was let's say maybe not she could use some money at this point in life. She took all the jewelry and had a fucking estate sale while Ron thought she was mulling over getting back with them, and she made millions and then told them I think the marriage is over. So I like that story even they're all embarking could be a little bit crazy now. And then I like that she did that. I'm always think she's a bad ass. But something I really know about Ron Perlman that bugged me a lot of guys last week thought I was talking about Ron Perlman the act. Ter- no talking about the mousy Jewish who owns Revlon. And he's one of those guys in New York who kinda walks around cocker the walkie owns the city. He's very smart, very bright. But he's also a guy that thinks she can do whatever the fuck you wants. And I mentioned briefly one time he you know, he would send Kara letters. He would call car when I was at the fucking house. People knew I was a boyfriend. I didn't like that shit. And I grabbed the one night, and I said you make fucking phone call. I'm gonna put your bowl someplace not gonna find something like that. And he just shook his head and walked away. And I always wonder how much work I lost because he made one phone call to a friend. Maybe that's why lost my job at the daily news. My sister always thinks that the reason why Pete Hamill said, I should go is because some big rich mother fucker, whether it was Trump, Tommy Mottola, Ron Perelman. Maybe maybe one of them maybe all of them made a phone call and said, he's gotta go. I don't know guys. But I'm working on my temper, even though it's fucking thirty years later. So Ron Perlman meets girl. I used to date beautiful girl named Sunday. Right. She's a hostess at chip Yanni. And these rich guys know how to lay it on their closers that businessmen and I asked what did you find that the turn you on? Why will you intrigue? She said, he's very smart. And she said every button on his dress shirt was in emerald. I said, wow, that's pretty fucking cool. I never even heard of that. But that's pretty bad as so he. He he puts her on his helicopter, and they fly to the Hamptons where he has this magnificent place. Maybe the best place in all of Long Island, Ron promos places in Saint like when he shows a movie, he's got these fucking reclining chairs that are like launchers he could put like a hundred people in a room in his house and show a movie better than a movie theater. Anyhow, they take the chopper to the house and Sunday was beautiful. They get to the house, and he makes your take an aids test without telling that was going to be part of the thing. She doesn't mind because she's clean, but in walks eight house nurse with the fuck, and you know, the whole thing draw blood everything, and I don't know how you could take an aids test and find out how quickly you you have HIV or not. But the girl did it wrong. And my my extra funds on was bloody. And it was blood shooting at what fiasco, anyhow, they stay get together, they have dinner, and they have sex, and I think my girl extra that she was like. Niro, period, or whatever, and it was a little blood will Ron Perlman freak the fuck out. He ran out of the bed into the shower and shower for twenty minutes, and he was so turned off by it that he put her in a different bedroom and different wing of the house, and then had it helicopter, take it back to Manhattan alone. The next day. Just freaky stories like that that these rich is fascinates me. Because I love to know how the other side lives, but Jesus Christ, and they still get laid even with that kind of behavior. I can't understand that. But I also can't avoid the Nick cannon sitting in for Wendy Williams story. I know you guys are obsessed. Lot of my listeners are obsessed with Wendy Williams show. Can we talk about Nick, can I oughta how much input Wendy Williams had? But I doubt she had that much because Nick candle is on record of not liking to gossip much. Not like to talk about celebrities. And you know, we know he's become a very guarded PC spewing professional TV host we've seen ad. So why is he sitting in for when I don't I think he and Wendy Williams closed and maybe because Nick suffered a marriage meltdown with Mariah he's a little sympathetic to Wendy Williams needs. Maybe but I can't look away. I can't look at Nick cannon without laughing. I can't he looks ridiculous. He's corneas. Fuck. He was so. Place and not at all needed on. America's got talent. All they did was throw throw shots to him with his jerky expressions whenever they had a sword swallowing or fucking magician. It just was jerky. I know it was paid a ton of money. But as a man, you cannot be happy doing that. Life is short or all given a finite amount of time on this earth. A real man doesn't wanna waste doing something as ridiculous as making faces and grimacing or commenting on a on a contortionist or dog trick. That's not what we wanna do. And then now the turbans Jesus he looks like miss Cleo awaiting from three my future when I see this guy. It's ridiculous. I'll tell you right now. And I hit that there's a couple of weeks back. If Wendy Williams ain't back by late February she never coming back. It's over and I'll tell you when she was first diagnosed with graves disease people were saying, they didn't think she was prepared for how long treatment recovery was. And you know, that may be true. She took those two initial weeks off. But people said there's no way that was long enough people know that disease. No, this is gonna take a lot longer. I really think Wendy has suffered a stroke or two and she's got residual damage somewhere. And in that condition. She can't be on air that whole fainting episode last year. It was just too neatly tidy tucked away. I think it had more to do with the stroke than the letting on same thing. I feel about Demi Levato not that she had a stroke, but that you know, that overdose in July as she left her in bed shape. Let me I should question has anybody still heard her speak since July. No, you haven't. I know she stepped out twice. But no comments in public. None to a human being. You know, shove a home and she'll peel off a tweet now. And then about how man she is that people talk about a, blah, blah, blah. But she could all clear this up if she just talked to a camera, she won't do it. And what's the big deal talking to a camera? Okay. You're getting sober. Good for you. God bless I hope you live sixty more years, but you can't talk to the camera. No talking. No, singing, Wendy Williams is in the business of being seen every day and being seen in the right? Clothes the right heels, the right hair. I don't think she's going to be able to be seen in a lesser version of herself. I think aesthetics away to important for Wendy. And I think she's really mulling over the rest of her life. Not just the rest of recruiter. I feel badly for like I said she backed by April. She ain't coming back. If she does and won't be long before she has to call it quits again. That's the way I feel. Now guys having giving you a recipe in a while. And I've kinda like cheated you and right now with the weather being what it is. I know a lot of you some of you live out loud outside America. You don't understand? What's going on is like if you take a pissed at freezes in midstream in Wisconsin right now? It's insane. Saw wanna leave you with a recipe that really is the kind of thing you love to eat right now. And I every day I'm going to tell you the putting this recipe you probably having your frigerator right now. I bet you do or in the cover. I'm gonna talk to you about pasta Jolie, or as we say pastas, pasta Jolie is is just means pasta and beans, and it's a very traditional Italian dish. It's it's a peasant dish inexpensive ingredients. But it's it's a Neopolitan dish. It's Noblet on dish. My mother was from Naples, my father, Sicily. So let me give a little love here. Here's what you need for pasta zal and really about twenty. Minutes cooking time, it's so fucking easy. And so good, but I'm putting a twist on. Usually, I make pasta Zule too quick soup. A quick pasta soup so to speak, and I'm off and a warm, and it's great. But I'm gonna add edit twist to this to make it even more exciting, especially with this. Call weather. So you're gonna need some pasta. Okay. The pasta you use. You could use you could use penny. You could use oughta get which is small ears of pasta. You could even use small shells, small shells. Not the ones that blow up in water to the size of ping pong ball. No, you wanna small pasta or Tenny. And oughta kept the the little ones that looked like ears. That's a catchy means. Erin Italian you'll see him, but anything like that will work you need about gold pound to pasta. Maybe a little less than a pound. But a pound will be fine. You can lead to a canned good tomatoes pureed tomatoes. Now, this is the part of the dish. You can't scam. You gotta go good to me. I like to go Semo Zanu whatever you do. Don't use hunts. Don't if you do I can tell about color the source if you send me pitches, don't you can use Nina's that ain't to bed to throw so's not even Cento because they're Chen, those everywhere. Listen, she got it. You can use Progresso but don't fucking use hunts. But if you got the coin, and you got some time go get some Sam Rosanno, it's about four ninety five can the other ships like a dollar fifty. All right. You need that. Of course, you need a little olive oil to start cooking this stuff and not too much. But it's always gonna be extra-virgin taking medium onion chop it up. Nice. Maybe a stalker stalking to have a salary chopped up. Nice same thing. Garlic. You know, me go bigger, go home. I go eight close. I'm not going to manage. He go ten, but I don't wanna hear you when full don't anywhere from six to ten and you're good. Any two cans of white beans. I like cannelloni. I don't care if you go. If you go what's it called northern beans? They sell anything white kennel only I love and don't train them and put them in a strain. Keep them in that use the juice that comes with because it binds the pasta late at trust me. So put them on the side. Right. You can lead about a Cup or chicken stock easy salt and pepper, and you can even use frozen spinach. If you have to if you have fresh that'd be great, but frozen spinach works as well to one package of that. And if you do you wanna thought out and squeeze it dry get some paper towels and really squeeze at art. Okay. And then you need about a half a Cup of really good. Grated cheese. We've been through this million times. You know, I like in a pinch. You can go Ramana. Oh, Luca Tellier Amano. But, you know, the king of cheeses is always the best you could even go parmesan here. But just don't get it in the green fucking can don't. Okay, listen. It's easy. Preacher of foreign degrees. You're gonna take a large sauce pot with water you gonna ball your pasta? Once it's done. But cook it two minutes less than what you normally cook. It what the box says when you two minutes short drained it drained of water and keep it on the side. K now drain the tomatoes before I should say drain the tomatoes beforehand. You can puree them up. If there is whole or chop them up coarsely with a knife. You'll know make them bite-size. Okay. Now, take a nice big saucepan one of those big ones that can control a lot of cooking. And you put your couple of couple tables. Couple tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. He didn't nice and hot throw in the onion. And celery cook them for about eight minutes on medium till they start to look a little translucent when that happens, then I throw the Golic in for the next minute or two before it gets Brown. Okay. Now, you started. Tomatoes, and the puree you put the beans, and you put the broad thin. You put the salt and pepper in. And you start the heat that to a boil over high heat. And when it starts to bubble and shit, you reduce it to medium, and then you star in the spinach. Now, you take the being mixture you take the the reserve pasta cookie. I should've said early take some pasta water a little bit and that being wanna and the quarter Cup of Ramana cheese or whatever cheese using and put it in saucepan, and you toss that all until it's really well midst. Okay. If it looks a little too watery because of the the bean juice and the pasta juice, then by all means use a tablespoon and just kind of get the water out like your balance on a boat. You don't want to watery. So use your eye on that. And make sure it's not you don't wanna see extra water k. 'cause I might have told you too much with the with the bean water. And also the starch what? So get out the extra. What all right, but you'd make Joe you mixed it up. Really? Well, you transfer the pasta mixture and put it in a nice ceramic baking pan baking dish, pyrex, whatever you got sprinkle little more cheese on top tro. Som extra extra-virgin like make the sign of Zoro Z make a big z with oil, and then goes see backwards to guy. Nice good drizzle of oil on top you bake it for fifteen minutes until it's hot in the center, and the top is a nice, golden color, and that my friends is pasta for Joel it's baked pasta Joel or as we say pastas, and as we really say specially whether like this don't be fooled. He pasta old AJ vans. And that's fame is a bitch. Talk to you guys Monday. 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Special Report: Alien Resurrection (1997)

The Projection Booth Podcast

3:25:18 hr | 4 months ago

Special Report: Alien Resurrection (1997)

"Christopher media let's make some noise. She'll people pay to see this movie when they go to a theater they want. Cold sodas popcorn no masters in the projection booth. Everyone pretend podcasting is boring. They're very hard to come by. So it was cargo whenever you got going on here and exactly approved by congress. Military operation really. Who are you routing allen. Lieutenant first class number three six seven six ellen. Ripley died two hundred years ago thing. A- construct the lag or the hell is going on here is breeding an alien species could understand what we're trying to do here at brought it out. You wanna tell us what this is. It's a queen she'll breed. you'll die. Ellen ripley died trying to wipe the species out. I'm not anxious to see how old hobby i can see. I can hear it hang brennan to these things before. Yeah what did you do. I died removing. That's a standard emergency procedure in a serious problem in the ship autopilots back to home base base. I suppose i get that a lot. Welcome to the rejection booth. Mike white joining me once again l. Goro going everybody. Also back in the booth is mike thompson. Who you expecting santa claus on this special episode of the projection booth. We're looking at alien four also known as alien resurrection. It's the next chapter. Some might say the last chapter of the alien saga started by ridley. Scott way back in nineteen seventy nine released in nineteen ninety-seven we rejoin ellen ripley. Five years after alien three but two hundred years after the events portrayed an alien three. We'll discuss the strange about trump. Was that made it happen. L be spoiling the film as we go along so you have been warned. Al gore win was the first time we saw alien resurrection. And what did you think it had to have been in. Nineteen ninety eight definitely. Didn't catch this in its theatrical. Release because i would have been too young. But i would have picked it up when it became available on vhs and for myself it came with a great deal of anticipation. Even though i was four too young to see these movies in theaters I was a huge alien fan going back to when i was a very small child and was first gifted. The kenner alien figures that came out in the early nineties. And then that really kind of kicked started this obsession. With this franchise that became even more stronger. Due to the fact that when i finally caught glimpses of what the theatrical alien was the live action ailing was divorced from the comic books. I was reading from dark horse divorced from the toys. It's scared the hell out of me. And i've always had this impulse that if i'm frightened by something i dive deep into it so by even by the time. Resurrection came out. I was a huge fan of the franchise. I rented all the films. Read all the comic books. I'd got my hands on. And i was meeting this film with a great deal of anticipation. Hell i even picked up. The cracked parody of it when cracked was a magazine. Instead of a website. Just so i can get a glimpse of what to expect out of this movie. Because the only thing i had heard was space pirates. Were going to be involved. And i was so down for that space pirates. Only maybe perhaps be outdone by the ice pirates and. That's why actually paired these films together. When i discussed the back on my podcast talk without rhythm because hey i love me. Some space pirates. Sadly there's not too many space pirate films but ice pirates. It's a good pairing with this phil and mike how about yourself. There are so many parallels with my own experience. I i also briefly had the size kenner action figure in. My house was so terrified. That i made my parents take it back to the store and it is the great. It may be one of the ten biggest regrets of my life. And every time i met a comic convention and i see that thing it just kills me a little bit inside and even my mother will say like. I can't believe i took it back. I should have just you know. Put it somewhere else in waited until you were older. So i had a lot of fear and terror. Just regarding the franchise for a long time. It took me. I think i saw aliens many times but it was a while till i actually was ready to watch the first alien because i was just so sure it was going to be the scariest thing i've ever seen and of course i loved it when i did see it coming to alien resurrection. I saw in the theater when it opened. And i absolutely couldn't wait. I had gotten my hands on the original script and read it. Many many times leading up to the movie and the experience was devastating. Because what i had read was not really on screen. What we'll get into that. I read that script. And i figure you must have given it to me. Yes i did. I can almost visualize and positive. I left it in like the mailbox at your house. Oh god yeah all those all those years ago. Because i was i think it was living in chicago then and i knew i was going to be in town and i knew you had to read this because it had at. It had changed my life right now. Is that the actually. The release stripped book. That was that they put out a like a ninety seven. No i think the release script book was closer to the shooting. Draft god was. This was a draft. I'd gotten before the movie was i. Think even in production. It was the version that that that was written before the studio came in and said yes. It's going to cost three trillion dollars. We need you to cut out x number of things because that first draft was i wanna say september of ninety five so it would have been like a while before the green light went and i don't know if it was at first draft with the second draft and apparently there were like five different endings to this. We're going on. But i'm pretty sure it was. It was either the first or second draft because of the whole thing of the scene in a huge area where they grow fruits and vegetables. It's almost like a garden. Plus they grow a whole lot of marijuana and that one curiously enough made it into a couple of different iterations of the script. Again referring back to that weird cracked parody. Before i even saw the film for some reason that was actually in the parody. So i was disappointed when i finally sold the film and then that scene wasn't in the film. He apparently what ariga the ship is outside of international space. waters out. Pass neutrals outs either. In outside the neutral zone close enough that they're not a threat to the klingons but definitely somewhere out there just past pluto. So they're like able to do all of these experiments and yeah. They make their money by growing all this pot out in space. It's very dark star. I was reminded a little. Bit of one of the drafts of i think the eric read draft of alien three. Because there is a dream sequence that takes place and it is ripley in this big field of wheat and had also kind of comes back in that jungle scene that like the first or second page of of the draft that we read does say like angle weet. I can't remember the scene right now. It's like there's the vision but they're out in the field and that's when the my mom says there are no real monsters but there are yup. I recall correctly. It had it had to do with vision of ripley newt and then there was going to be this bug that was going to grow to monstrous proportions. And then things turning into the boom dream sequence. Yeah and she talks in the director's cut about her dreams. But i think that gets cut out of the theatrical release anything that reference new seems to have been just removed from the theatrical version. You know in the extended version because as he says. This is not the director's cut the director's cut as what you saw like. Okay buddy the part where you know. When when they're showing the clone all the different pictures trying to get her to do word. Associate like this. This is fruit. this is a glove. They show a picture of a little girl and she kind of breaks down and and that comes up with the marker of your special edition meaning that they chopped it out. It's a nice thing of of a reference for people that were totally invested in the series. But i can kind of see why they would cut it out just for one for pacing. It's it's not terribly necessary but for those that are invested in this series. It was very nice scene. And i do like the way sigourney. Weaver played that she's excellent the whole movie. It's it's an interesting thing of like you. You spend all of the second movie. Not all of the the crux of the second movie is. She's got to save this girl and the third movie is okay. That's done now. This one is like while maybe we can talk about that a little bit and but then but i completely agree with what you're saying. It's one of those things that this is a nice to have but in terms of the story and the plot right now. This is the kind of stuff we're going to lose to get this under two hours. As i was going back and starting to do research on this. I came to a moment where i was just like. Do i even want to fucking do this episode. Because i remember how much vitriol we got over the alien three episode. We did which i. I like alien three but yet apparently i didn't like it enough for the fans i am as i said a huge alien fan and as such i'm invested in pretty much every aspect of alien and even i steer clear of a lot of the fan side of alien just because there are some really hateful people in that community. The good lord. Don't get me wrong. You know yes. I listened to that episode in yes identified the port. The parts of the you got wrong or the just misinformed that it happens. But i'm not gonna you know shoved down your throat just because you happen to get something. Factually wrong. haven't helped me that. I thought that a really shitty looking rod puppet was a cgi creation. I thought the same thing when because he listen listening to the commentary or behind the scenes on alien resurrection. And they're saying oh you know these. These were the first. Cg aliens and i'm like no really. I was positive that they were. Cg in at least in a few moments they look that way or it looks that way to me in alien three poorly composite posited but there was that cg augmentation during the fracturing of the drone skull when the and that's the only bit of cg. But i mean honestly the first time i saw it. I assumed it was cg because it didn't look great. And then later on. I found out it was a rod puppets most people assume it is but as far as you know you not liking it enough even amongst the the hardcore alien community. There are splits within them. There are some people that think that anything past the first one is terrible. There are some nobody can agree on which the are actually quality films in a strange way. They're all completely unique and separate from one another even though they're all one off completely connected to one another you know like i was thinking back to win a friend of mine read the he also read the draft that we have of resurrection. And he was like you know. I don't know if this is a good alien movie. I think maybe it's just a good action. And i was like well. What does that mean. I think aliens is a good action movie and a good alien movie again. That's one of the reasons that i really do. Love this franchise. Is that at least four. The original four there seem to be a dedicated attempt on behalf of the producers to actually try to bring in a different director oral vision and try to take the the story in different ways. I mean you could see that with the with the developing of from alien to aliens the multitude of different scripts that came out as part of alien three and of course with alien resurrection went with because he was different because he could bring something else and while not everybody necessarily response to perhaps his the aesthetic he brought to the series. I nevertheless strongly respond to it for my own reasons. That i'm sure we'll get into. And it's one of the reasons that i enjoy the franchise that each of these films are so different that they can allow people to play in this environment particularly as we exist in our current the franchise mindset of kind of sameness. The idea that there will develop a franchise a sort of house style and you can bring in other directors but more or less they wanna try to keep. Things relatively cohesive the franchise didn't have that they wildly swung in different directions. And i think that made for some very interesting films that we're still talking about. I should add a big astros to what you just said. Those fires the producers wanted to go this way because i don't think he'll and guiler gala did not want this like he's even on the the the making of saying i didn't like the script. I didn't want it to go this way. I'm just like okay. He say he says he goes. We read this. And i was just like this is the end of the franchise. Brusson piece david guiler. We got to throw that out there. In a way he turned out to be right for quite a few years. It chronologically speaking. It is the last one like there hasn't been any. There are no stories that take place at least not yet after this one. This is the last ripley alien film. Even the expanded material around this. It was interesting. How little of an impact. It actually had extended universe if you wanna refer to that the How little of an impact. It had on stories that people were telling in the alien universe. Nobody really was all that interested in telling the follow up to resurrection. There was one novel and then it was promptly forgotten about. I haven't read that in that novel. Is it following the aliens or is it following ripley or is it both. It is actually following ripley and see if i reach over and grab it Yeah it's original. Sin by michael jan friedman which is just following the crew of the betty after the events of resurrection. It doesn't really do much with them. I mean it's it's a pretty much bog standard alien story that just happens to feature the surviving members of alien resurrection. And so we get a little bit more with ripley eight but outside of that one novel. Nobody really played with these characters. They weren't really continue forward in any comic books and even win. Titan books decided to bring back in start releasing new originally novels a couple years ago some of them were set chronologically after resurrection but they made a big attempt to sort of reestablish the status quo wayland tani came back apparently got better after its ball By out from walmarts and they mostly just seem to sort of forget the world that joss weeden at all had created an alien resurrection and i mentioned that. Kind of strange bedfellows. Things as far as this being a weeden script and then coming in and directing the majority of the Of the crew as far as i know was french. So it's got this french sensibility. It's in all of his guys working on this but then it's jocelyn the script so you have this very american sensibility of weeden coming in here and doing this. And we n'est like pop culture incorporate at you know he just. He knows what sells and he's able to do that and and do it very well. At least for a lot of years we were at comic con. I think two years after this. Because i think this this was just before weeden skyrocketed with buffy the vampire slayer and we were we were at the panel for that and somebody asked him. Hey is there going to be an alien five in his response was. Did you see alien four. And then he just put his head down of always tried to reconcile that because at least on the surface level and even by his own admission the the final film more or less stuck with a script. You know certain things were dropped out. But these were his characters and he's described it as being more of a level of presentation they were saying the words but they weren't saying them right and i was trying to reconcile it's like well. What does that mean. What are you getting into. And the thing i kinda landed on is the idea that we did in his various stories. There is an element of incredible earnestness in his stories. You know that there might be some ridiculous situations. There's a lot of pithy lines comedy. But nevertheless from an emotional standpoint everything is very people are invested in this world whereas the sensibility that june a and everybody else involved in this production with it had a much more comedic. Let's kind of have fun. With the weirdness of this world. And i think that's where one of the the major disparities between widens vision and says you and everybody else. He was working with and how they presented their film. And what are the reasons i enjoy. This film is from an aesthetic standpoint from a general tonal standpoint. It really does remind me of so. Many of the french science fiction comics. He would read and stuff like heavy metal that for the look of the characters the amazingly expressive actors that they got to be to be in some of these roles. The exaggeration of everything is even down to just how viscous drooling the aliens was. It feels like it was a live action liberalisation of the kind of comic books that a moebius would would have done appropriately enough since he worked on the first alien and also a. I've been reading a lot of all hundred rouse comic books. As part of his science fiction stuff it feels very much of a piece with that particular kind of french metal or law sensibility. It's the difference in tone ride like the screenplay is this hard-driving continually moving action piece from the writer of from the guy who rewrote speed. So and so. When i go into the theater then this is what i expect to get. And in the first twenty minutes. I'm like something has gone wrong here in terms of my own personal experience and so i was so angry watching this movie because it was not at all what i expected and it is because of the tone and watching it again this morning and and earlier this week. Is this movie supposed to be a comedy. And there's parts of it in the evening the commentary. They talk about the scene where dan day reaches back and pulls out a piece of his of his brain which i do not remember that being in the script and i think that might have been the part of the theater that broke me all those years ago but the commentary he specifically talking about the studio wanted it out. It actually went for longer like he. He sees his brain. I guess in and just passes out from shock and apparently sigourney weaver didn't like that part. The test audience saved them. And it's just there definitely is a very they even in the in the commentary and also in the in the behind the scenes they talk about the frenchness director and how how the studio absolutely was like no no. No this is what we brought you for what we want you enforce so keep doing all of that. And that was that for me is so challenging to reconcile. Because i really feel like when. I say that i'm saying this is a limitation of myself. Not so much the film it really felt like the studio comes in. And they're like okay. We got to figure out how to get things back on track because alien three was not what people wanted. So how do we make this aliens again. And that's what josh weeden comes in and does and then and then the director comes into the gal. I'm not interested in any of that going to do. I'm gonna do what i wanna do and he did it. So the quote was it wasn't a question of doing everything differently. Although they change the ending it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lions but they said them all wrong. They cast it wrong. They designed it wrong. They scored it wrong. They did everything wrong they could possibly do. It's actually fascinating lesson in filmmaking. Because everything they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from it and people assume that i hated it because they changed the script but it wasn't so much that they changed the executed in such a ghastly fashion. They rendered it. Unwatchable that sensibility. It's speak mostly to you. Know his his inherent sensibilities. It's his what he expects. Out of a science fiction story admittedly not all of the european traditionally french approach to science fiction that will blithely total shifts sometimes from page to page of over the top comedy or just incredible slapstick into you. Know very very serious in gory stuff. That sort of freewheeling artistic freedom that's not for everybody's taste i mean i would not necessarily hand off a copy of jodi rouse ke's in call to somebody ends like harry. You like star wars. Why don't read this. I do like that idea though. There is some fun to be. Pounded there. But to me i actually. I actually think. That's what makes the movie so charming. And the fact that he talks about it was cash wrong. I actually love the cast of this including some people. You would not expect to find in this kind to feature. I mean like Jay freeman who plays the villainous dr ren his facial expressions are just so perfect in this movie they are picked. Perfect for the tone. They are going for the way. You're saying it right now is like you're right for the this movie is going for. It's completely right when i was watching it this morning. I'm like this guy is chewing up the scenery with both hands at every turn. And it's like yeah but that's what they wanted. I also heard anecdotal accounts and i. I have no verification for this but apparently weeden at some points a disparage the casting dorf for similar reasons of Jack nicholson the fact. That brad dwarf is so used to playing crazy people. It's not a surprise when he goes insane. It's like well did it. Need to be a surprise when the guy who's who who's purposely breeding aliens. It ends up being a nut bar. That's not the kind of thing that anybody was going to be. Oh hey i'm surprised. He went crazy. And i'm sure brad door was having a blast. And when he was interacting with man in the suit with alien. It's that low. It's those little scenes that's again it's something we have not seen. And that's why. I appreciate it when i read that script. I was so interested and surprised by the by the way johner is written. Read the whole script. You're like man. This guy is going to get killed. And it's going to be spectacular because he is such a piece of shit and and and then when they when they read. They cast ron perlman. This is going to be great. And then i watched him in the movie. And i'm like. I cannot stand anything that he is doing because it just that quote from weeden spoke to me perfectly from my previous on my reaction from all those years ago. I think i think i reviewed it for cashiers and at the time i said it was the cinematic equivalent of being punched in the ball. I was so angry that this movie was not what i had envisioned. Did to be based on the script. I was just coming into it in know without that. And i'd love to ron perlman this and actually thinking back because i was looking through his roles and trying to think you know plot in my head and what i had seen. I think this may have been the first anything. I'd ever seen ron perlman where he wasn't wearing heavy prosthesis. Because i watched you know beauty and the beast. And i the island of dr moreau. But i think this is the first time i ever saw ron perlman face. And he left an impression. I love ron perlman in this movie because as you say his archetype is the one that's destined to die. You know he is. He is the next iteration of yaffa koto or mark. Rolston the big bruiser. That's very that. Nobody license very kind of acerbic at times and he's going to be alien fodder in the fact that he lived. I love that. I mean he's terrible character in a terrible person but kind of love the fact that he lived. Don't you think we should talk about the shares. Yup and koto should have blindly throwing more knives at people. And now you've got that great tie into between ice pirates. And this without ron perlman exactly and of course being the weird guy that i was i was looking for the various ways of this connected. Back to dune the david lynch version. And we we do have a couple of connections with this. We do brad door of showing up in this and The gentleman who did the costumes. I forget his name right now. I think it's bob ringwood. He also work on doing i believe. Do you still dislike it as much as you did. Back in the theater is the still a punch in the balls. I was very angry watching it again. And this time i turned on everybody so this time i was like wait a minute. This part of the script makes no sense. They ever like that. I was just you know what you started listening to the behind the scenes stuff. And you're like okay. I get it more now. I get what they were going for is. Is this the alien movie that i'm going to rewatch. No does it make me as angry as as a back then. Probably not. But i can. I will also say that back then. There was no alien versus predator to get nit picky and ludicrous at one point. And that's why. I went back and was watching it today because i was like. Wait a minute purpose. Better not have had his glasses on when the face hugger came out. Because there's no way those survived that. And then when i the other thing that was frustrating me. Even dan was like. I didn't have time to go back in and i also will say that there was part didn't want to go back and read the script again because i'm like clearly that impacted my experience with this film the first time. I don't want it to do it again this time. But the scene in which when christie is climbing up out of the water and the alien gets on it. And you know he. He unbuckled himself to sacrifice himself. The way that was shot. I was just like this is taking one hundred years for him to do this. And i just feel like he could have just kicked at 'lions is boots or i don't know reached around and just grab that ladder lake. Is he supposed to be like dying because he just got sprayed in the face with acid would make sense. But i'm just like for some reason that seen this time around really was just getting to me. The other thing is and this is a. There's a personal thing is one of the things. I remembered most from the script that i was very excited to see was the potential hand to hand combat scene between ripley and one of the one of the aliens cause in the script. That's kind of her introduction to the team the alien comes out. She fights it and she grabs. It's tongue and breaks it off and that scene was i was like this is perfect. I didn't even know that it made perfect sense to me that it would eventually reach this level and that and now we're gonna get it and instead we get this she's gonna shoot through the dead guy's body and then later she's gonna rip the tongue off because it's funny i guess and again i don't know if that was rewritten that way or if it was it may very well have been just a logistical thing of watching it. Now and thinking about it now. There may not have been away at the time to shoot the scene as written without looking absolutely idiotic. Yeah would've it would've been difficult as good as the skulls were that eighty. I did for the aliens in them. Because i actually do really like the work they did in this. It looks great. Yeah i don't. I don't know if they would have been able to necessarily pull that off as well is perhaps they would have liked so it probably. It probably was the concessions. Wards the reality of the practical effect. It was one of those things where i'm watching it now and i'm like one of my other problems with with the removal of that too. Was that that also at least helped me buy into the idea that the team was going to be like okay. We're going to keep you with us because you just kill this thing and we all saw. How much of a bad ass you are even though you do already have some of that with the basketball scene earlier was the it's presented in the movie when she shoots through the dead body. Mike did anybody even see that happen. I mean i guess they must have put it together but it's just like that part of it like losing that part of it was even now clearly twenty some years later. It's still hard for me. I really liked the shooting through. The michael went body at the kind of reminds me of when there's the boot in once upon a time in the west and the boot ends up shooting the guy i just i. I thought that was a nice introduction for her to the teen to your point they probably don't see it and as far as her ripping out the tongue. Yeah that doesn't really make any sense or the extra mouth other than it being some sort of like a like a castration thing. Yeah that's that's definitely how. I saw it in there. I it does kind of flop around rather suggestively. The first appearance of the queen alien when it comes out of her chest i mean basically has a foreskin on and i mean that's always been the design of the alien. It's it's a penis with teeth. It's a big walking angry penis. That's giger right now. His ease weaponized fallacies its entire rear recipes skier. And i like the idea of how the team comes together and peeled apart just the way that we have people being added to the team and then taken away from the team at the same time like just the way that the they're going back and forth with how many people are gonna make it out. Well we're going to add purvis to the group we're gonna lose this person. We're gonna add this other person to the group and you know. I just kind of like the the way that becomes the the almost like dungeons and dragons type adventure. We're going through with this ship. And while we do have a good idea of which people are going to survive the end they do somewhat sub subvert expectations Speaking before the ron perlman's character of johner is the archetype that's destined to die. But at the same time the fact that the first member of the crew of the betty is michael wing cots character. Who's this kind of course guy and you know. He's got the raspy voice and he's like are he's going to be a cool guy now. He's dead yeah. They present him as he's the captain. So he's the. He's the veteran on this team right. He's the veteran. Who's smart enough to be captain too so yeah. Of course he's gonna make it and they even send him off on his own sort of at that at that point he's to forge ahead because that's what that's he's smart enough to do. He's he's smart enough to handle it on his own. Nope he's gone because he dies and then hillier dies and between win cotton flowers. They're basically like the mom. And dad the betty and then you've got the three wayward sons with bryce john or in christie and i like how christie steps up and becomes leader for a while before he dies like. Wow you would expect kristie as such a bad ass and i love that in. This might have pissed you off too. As far as the script goes because christie's kind of two people in the script he's like this xiaoyang fat cloned plus himself himself and then they take those. Two things emerge them together. So when you get that awesome shot of him with those travis bickel guns sonny shoots up and gets the to ricochets before goes right into the soldiers had and it's like oh yeah that's totally talent fat. Move and yeah. I'm with you in the death of christie that that's always kind of bugged me. It's like when me just kick it off. What they really needed to do was literally. Show the alien with a death grip. Because i think that was what they were trying to sue. He got the acid in the face. He was exhausted. He knew he couldn't get loose of the alien. It was going to drag them down so he was willing to sacrifice himself to save his friend but in order to sell that it needed to be closed claw talent thing the way they presented to the movie all the steps he needs to take the unbuckle and south like man. That is way more work than just moving their hand off. They're just you know. Just just swing it around a little bit and grabbing onto the ladder yourself. You got ron perlman there. And he's a big guy he could have gone down a couple rungs. Just gotta grab the do. I do think that it's in his character right. He's willing to shoot it the thing but he's not going to do any more work than that he already wanted to ditch the one guy anyway. There's a weird new thing where the aliens announced spit acid. That never made sense to me that it spits acid at christie. I was like did you bite the inside of your mouth in the first two movies are the only ones where the acid really always make sense and then it becomes like maybe i need to rewatch the third. Make sure but it feels like an all the subsequent films. It just becomes more of okay. Well the plot needs the acid to come out right now so it's just gonna come out right now and the other thing so if you can spit to acid out in why you have to rip the one. One of your buddies apart melt the floor. Couldn't you just floored that way. It's a good question but then again the acid doesn't completely dissolve his face like the other acid that we saw like mark rolston drake's character have so maybe it's a less potent as i don't know they did it because it was cool. And you know what there was an action figure of before that that had a spitting action. So maybe they decided to use it in the script still to this day and i'm grateful for it and again. I'm still sad that i let that one go but it's amazing to me that these were ever something that was like. Yeah this needs a toy line oh in market for kids hardcore marketed to kids presents. Hugh alien action figure stripped illegal camping with the lie down. You'll destroy this nation with straight triumph alien action. Figure you from jenner because those kids in the commercial where like ten years old when they were using that i was completely obsessed with the first one even though it's years to watch it because like i go to bookstore and i i flip through the comic novelization or all the other things for me. Aliens were the cool things in the cantina and in star wars. They weren't supposed to be scary. And the scariest thing i've ever seen. I'm right there with you. When i see the end of alien which it took me so many years to actually watch the original ridley scott alien like you. I saw it while after aliens. And i still picture that comic novel in my head. I still picture the exact way that it was drawn before. Like the after burners and burning alien off and all that kind of stuff. It's like yeah. That's that's my version of alienist comic book version of alien. I find alien resurrection fascinating in just the way that it is exploring the things that have come before it the way that we have taken this ripley character and we will draw in the third one and now she's back as this but it's she's not ripley anymore. She's kind of ripley but not ripley and the way that we're exploring still what it means to be human versus what it isn't to be human and that we've got her as that character but then we also have call as that character as this second generation autan and i'm guessing that her name is call because it sounds like recall elite recall and i like that she is more human the ripley as even though she's a machine and just like the way that they are exploring lab as well as exploring the same things that we've done in the other movies where it comes to motherhood and you know what it means to accept your child reject your child and that were playing with that. Also with the idea of how much of ripley's alien versus how much of the queen replay and it's again very much in keeping with some of the inherent themes of the franchise. I mean we may look at the life cycle of the alien. It's about the infection of a foreign entity it is. It is the propagation through Extraterrestrial rape and then how that fits into the inherit body horror aspect of it and that was the original. Ripley's ultimate fate. You know she herself was infected with the embryo and she chose to sacrifice herself. And then with this ripley eight character it further. on's the adds a new twist to that sort of body horror elements by integration rather than it being a separate entity entity that explodes outward like a parasite. The alienness becomes almost symbiotic and she becomes this combined entity and it's something that i think. I played a very interesting in. At least the novelization were was going deeper into the way her thoughts were transformed and how she was almost psychically tapping into the nest and they touch on that a little. But one of the more interesting elements was also the fact that the aliens them selves had elements of her memory as well because they're they're her genetic offspring that the aliens were seeing in. This are not the aliens from the previous films. They are something else. There mutants themselves which is why they have less of a dui arrest biomechanical. Look at a much fleshier. Look to them. And it's against that development that inherent alienist and the infection of the flesh. That is a very much part of this franchise. The i got a lot of shit about that too when it comes to the idea of because there are those weird hybrids where it's like. Oh well if a face. Hugger attacks a rhino than the baby. Coming out is going to be a rhino alien. And it's like well that ruins the entire. Dna of the species folks. You know you can't have if it meets with a gerbil any alien gun running around trust me. Nobody has nobody has come up with a good explanation for a lot of those things but they always have to be the same creature that comes out in order for the race to propagate but this makes sense so far as it makes sense in a way that their dna is is coming together so then the aliens look a different then the queen has a different cycle. You know that. She gives birth in a more human way as opposed to a gerbil alien. There's been so many wild contradictions onto exactly how the alien words and at certain points they decide. Okay we're gonna scrap all of this. We're gonna go through a twentieth century fox before it was about. Oh by disney. They decided that they were going to officially say that. This is how the alien works and all the weird hybrid things. That's not really a thing except when it is it doesn't make any sense. And it's been wildly contradicted many many times over the years. You kind kinda have to accept it. I suppose while it just becomes unfortunately more and more of a okay. We just need it to work this way in services plot. It's like the the internal question of well. How long does it take for daily. Digestive will adjust states at the speed of plot. That's why purvis who got infected at the same time as everybody else why. He doesn't have a bursting out of him early at the same time why he's still able to walk around. Its cooler for him to have the alien so it can explode through the other guys. Yeah exactly now at some point. I don't remember the source of this. But i think it was. It was said somewhere that He was diabetic and so there was a shift in his biology which caused a slower station. But that's that star wars stuff. That's that's fans jumping in to explain the inconsistencies of the world. Medical orient count that kept from got a very high. I'm number. just wait until you jump into the fan. Conversations of queen versus egg morphing and then The results for that comes out of that. I mean we could talk about who fertilize the egg. That became the the baby alien. And there are moments in the movie when ripley kinda gets into that whole world of the aliens goes into the literal underworld of the ship and everything where it looks like. She's just bone and aliens like that was. That was the thing. That was what i was thinking of earlier. So the movie. I was waiting for was the one where she has a hand to hand fight with with alien in the movie i was given with the one where she's getting it on with won the tender embrace of the alien but again that's seen kind of works for me because that one felt the most tive of giger and when you look at his sort of biomechanical body scrapes and that sort of the charge section sexuality of his paintings dark as it is that seemed to fit very well with what they were doing with. You know ripley absorbed into the hive or a nestled in the arms of the aliens. I could see the aliens. Not giving a shit about ripley. Because she's more one of them than these other creatures that they inherently want kill. Yeah that's exactly what it was. It was the thing that you smell like us. We're gonna deposit you in the hive just somebody else coming home. That's it exactly. I have a theory. I mean if every one of these movies has an android character and we start with ash that we moved to bishop than we have call them. We have david. Does that mean that allen is going to be the next android that we get. Because she's the next in line alphabetically would be. It would be a very easy way to bring sigourney. Weaver back into the franchise. Now we've had walter though. oh fight. Did skit walter. But walter died so me and i just want to help walter with the fingering. Speaking of sexual subtext. Subtext is kind of a generous word for. I still remember the first time. I saw covenants in the theater and that scene came up in somebody bless them in the darkness of the theater just went out but and i wish it was me but it wasn't. I love the call character and i love which represents that i love this whole idea to of you. Know motherhood is part of it and that we have mother as the computer in the first one and then we have switched to father in this one and that father. The way that that call into the system is through the bible. It's like of all places of all things to do to be in that she takes over the father and basically says god is dead when she's like father's dead asshole. I really appreciate that. That moment. And i can't remember if that's necessarily in the script i think it might be but i'm sure it is but it's funny. I feel like that moment in the script. It's much more for a laugh right. It's father's dead asshole attention. And she says that whole line about attention. Aliens ran his on this four. Go get him. And i feel like that's more what the script is trying to do in my opinion whereas i think the movie is much more like we'll throw that in but that's not the kind of humor we're going for in this picture not the same. Yeah but in this one. It's much more to me. It's the the woman or surfing the the male role and had loved that all the females. That are normal. Quote unquote are dead by the end of the film. Now you have this alien woman hybrid and the android that are there and then the only two men that are left at the end of this film are one guy who can't use his legs and johner. Who's just like this mental midget you know. It's just like the worst of humanity has all come together at the end of the this fell but we dump them off on on earth which is a shithole. so we're will we finally get to earth and and this is the earth that we get to and and i love that john has that line about it being shithole. And then when you get there. You're like oh yeah he's right. It is a shithole well. It's it's more that way in the in the extended version than in the theatrical one in the theatrical one actually in the theatrical one. it isn't terrible. they showed the clouds but they don't actually show the landscape. If i recall correctly. Look down because i was. I think it was passionate again in just flying over it and it all looks and i think one of them even even i think on the commentary. They said no. No we know it was it was. It was beautiful or something like that. You can't remember that line in the movie or not whereas in the extended version. You're basically in this. The plan of the sending in italy was paris because the having some fun while we always have to destroy the eiffel tower. We're going to show some some sort of thing. Now i mean that's like a role in emberg staple right and michael bay too. I think that was an armageddon week to see. Paris destroyed these days. We seem to be shifting to destroying the golden gate bridge so so many people so many times the golden gate bridge get so. Messed up in modern blockbusters. It's la people to striking back at san francisco. It is curious that it is nicer in one version. There's that moment where the sun hits their faces. And i'm kind of reminded of that blade runner ending which was like oh surface returned to being green. Because there's no one there but yeah in the extended version it's just like here's the broken eiffel tower. Good luck. here's the out. The four of you are on this planet. You're pretty much fuck now. But they're also just going to disappear lake watching it again. I'm like oh so in this version they just go off and find serenity and and mail and all those other people and then they just take off and fly again. That's the route they took with the one novelization or one novel. Follow up to this. They just went right back to being space pirates. I haven't read the novels. But i did read that. There was a little bit of a follow up to out of the shadows one called cps sorrows and ellen shows up in that but again i am. Read that in those like. Who's this guy Alan decker seems to be character in there. Yeah so out of the shadows. That was one that was actually set between alien and aliens ripley in that and then they had to figure out a way to use her in also get her so she ended up. She didn't aliens and they they manage it. It makes kind of sense but you know it is what it is. Where's the other one. decker is her genetic descendants. And so he somehow has an element of the race memory and the aliens. They remember going up against ripley so they have a particular mad on against him. It's a good novel. It's just it's it does require a fair bit of I'm just going go with what you're putting out here. I mean to be to be fair. The franchise overall asked that too. Yeah pretty much pay off you start getting in there. It's just gonna drive you crazy. I mean when when wayland and or you tani show up. It's just like wait a second. This doesn't make any sense. We forget that there. No and you tani or queen alien in the first alien that that's introduced by cameron and then you get other things that are introduces we go along and then they kind of try to retrofit these things. I am curious. Talked about the novelization. I read a little bit about the novelization. Because i think there's a little bit more about. Who's the raymond cruz character. Who i think should have gotten a little bit more to do in the movie but he his death is so unceremonious to me. It's just it's just frustrating. It's like hey the ha go back there. It's basically just telling go back there and die. That's it in the ac crispin novelization. They shifted over a couple a couple. More things for distefano just kind of developing his him as a little bit more of a character than he ultimately was in the final film. That weird moment where he and christie have a moment about the guns so turned on by those guns watching that scene. Now that is some of the truest shit that i've ever seen because i've seen gun guys when they get together and they have that same glint in there is those two actors are perfect in that senior are completely selling it. If feels totally true like this isn't even acting. It's just catching them behind the scenes and i loved and had day up but man he is making some of the goofiest faces in this film comes up in the commentary from the one guy. I think he was the story board artist. You can't remember his name right now. He seemed to be like the most critical of the movie and aside from from david guy but he had said like you know i. I wonder if the director would if he had seen american television. If he had seen cheers would he would have still cast this guy. And then in the commentary he taught the director talks about. I loved him in blood simple. And it's like yeah but the problem is he's the problem for me anyway that he's not playing the same character. He's playing in blood simple. He's playing the character from cheers. But again i i. I sort of enjoyed that for the tone that gave it lended towards the comedic tone. That obviously doesn't work for everybody but to me it again. Kind of fits. It speaks to the ineptitude of the organizations. I can go along with the idea. Basically saying like. Hey you've seen this cliche military character four thousand times we could have cast earlier. Let's go a different way. I did love the moment. Even though this might have been a rod puppet but i don't think it was the I love the moment. When the alien sneaks aboard the shuttle and then you get all the gore being thrown against the windows and stuff and the blood coming up. I really enjoyed that. And then the the the hand grenade that gets tossed in there again. I think that handgrenade might have been a rod puppet. I'm not sure. I like the themes that were going in. And grenade was real. It's just like the basketball scene. He threw it that one time and it was perfect. We are obligated mentioned that the sigourney weaver is a hundred percent. Awesome baller that she didn't get that shot in one. Nothing but nets will done sigourney holy shat. There's a whole section on the dvd. Just about that and it's like this. This is absolutely the right thing to do. And i love the fact that i think it was peter who is going to digitally change it. So that the ball would always stay in frame and sigourney. Weaver was like no. You're not doing that. Goes because that's gonna ruin the whole thing you can't and i love how appropriate just like i fucked it up because character so every time i watch that scene i keep. I'm watching perlman the entire time to watch for. That's when i went back watching it today. I'm like okay. I'm going to see how badly he if you really does this. But now they come together perfectly. They ended very well. And this was the perfect time for ron perlman. You're talking about how. Yeah he was in beauty and the beast and i read a little bit of his autobiography. He was just having a horrible time after beauty and the beast got cancelled and just plain all these roles whereas like i'm not even going to mention these roles i'm not proud of these things. And then he meets gear multo and then he meets a in cairo. And it's like for a few years there was just like. Oh ron perlman this like. After i went and saw cronos i was like. Oh perlman's in this okay. I will go see whatever it is. I will see it because he was working was interesting directors and those movies that he made which in ankara the movies. That still continues to make with del. Toro fuck ya. It's like was perfect that he kind of became this actor for these foreign directors which was just wonderful and he's taking all these chances his role in cronos still just one of my favorite things ever definitely and i came to that later. This was a very interesting time in his career especially since while he was simultaneously linked to type. Because you know very much. You look at ron perlman and it's like okay. It makes sense. Cast him as the heavy but in the hands of a right director. They can take that expectation and they can. They can twisted. They can have some fun with it and you even got to see that in resurrection because he had some legitimate laugh lines in this movie. Oh yeah not. All of them have aged. Well he has one of the worst lines in the movie one. That's after one of the best scenes in the film when she goes in and sees all of those failed clones the wonderful moment of pathos. That's fantastic the the music. The music in this whole film is wonderful. I love the score. I love everything about that scene. And when he does that must be a chick thing. I was just fuck this movie. That's not a line that his age will. He also refers to freeze ironsides. I didn't catch that unlike. Wait wait a minute. He's referring to him from a character. whose so how. Many hundreds of hundreds of years. It's been since since raymond. Burr was ironside. I still occasionally make shakespeare references. So maybe in this world that the that finally got its do. And if that's what the future holds i'm all for it. They are well. Are we sure it was the raymond burr version. Because i was that amazing version with blair. Under what yeah you know or you know. We're also assuming that there aren't going. I mean this was hundreds of years from now. How many more versions could there have been. No i mean maybe that's what's coming next. It's probably one of those stories suggests gets rebooted over and over again. Much like hamlet or macbeth. Yes now that would have an awesome. If instead of watching like qvc while they were drinking they were watching future. Ironsides just made that joke. Were keep going back to the motherhood thing in the one other thing. I wanted to bring up real quick. What's the idea of insects in this movie. And i did appreciate that. They played more on the insects when it came to this. There's that seeing that never made it to the original that is in the director's cut which i don't think ultimately succeeds where they crushing a bug. Like i you see the mouth and then you realize that the bug and the guy crushes it and puts it in a straw and spits it out. Ok i guess. It was the fauna in the novelization. That does that. But so you got that. But then this whole idea of ripley coming out of that. Cocoon that dress. Shift thing that. She's wearing in the way that she comes out of that. I think that's wonderful. And of course we have bread or later in the film saying. Oh it's a beautiful beautiful butterfly and like it's really nice that they're kind of bringing in that ripley is also very unsettle. It would have definitely If they were going to continue on that fit in interesting if they had gotten kronenbourg to direct this as they were apparently at one point courting speaking of body horror he got kronenbourg. Could've done interesting things with an alien film. He would have totally rewritten everything. Oh yeah. I'm not saying that i'm not saying that is a negative. I know of often felt. If you took william gibson's alien three script and then given it to kronenbourg that would have been just something amazing. Am i the only one to that when we have a ripley eight. Does that eight remind you guys have infinity as well as just be reaching. I could see it in. See it you know the the the concept of the eternal ripley. She's back from the dead. Well that's one of the things i was thinking about earlier to is is the the cross dna of of all of them. Just just furthers the whole concept that she and this species are just destined for one another. You know they're they're they're linked to gather because that's one of the other things about the franchise that so interesting is that it isn't solely about these these four movies and we've seen what happens without her right like these. These are the these movies like okay. We have to have the monster and we have to have her. You know and i understand like a standard superhero kind of thing where we have to have the the superhero we have to have the the villain but it's it didn't ever have to go that way but after the second one i feel like yeah it did and the it just made perfect sense to me from a thematically that it will be like no no. They're they're just going to be combined now. Which has always been interesting to me. I look i love these films. For the arc of ripley. You know the the transformation of her down to her becoming an alien herself with with the clone of ripley eight but what always found fascinating is the insistence a distance upon the producers to inject an element of legacy into these films. Whether it was you know bringing ripley back for Alien three because originally there. There was a sense that we're going to do that. Also when we didn't pitched a hit did his treatment for his alien four it was going to follow a clone of new and it wasn't going to involve sigourney weaver but there was always that tendency to know we have to have Sigourney weaver in this to make this work. And then the later. It shifted into the really scott films. He became the anchor point. It was okay. This is our legacy thing with this as ridley scott. We can't do this without ridley. Scott's neil blonde camp. You wanna make an alien movie. no you can't because you're not ridley. Whereas for me the alien franchise has always existed as something more than the films. And so there's always been different people telling stories with different people in all of these elements that create this larger alien universe. So i've never really been all that protective of well it has to involve sigourney. Weaver has to involve ridley. Scott i love the sigourney. Weaver alien films. I don't need her to be in an alien moving forward to work. Just as i don't need release scott doing whatever he was doing with from ec covenants. I don't need that. And i got i really as much. I admire release got as a filmmaker. He's one of the greats is made so many films that i absolutely adore. I hope he never makes another alien movie because he sets it up. The david ends up being Space jockey at the beginning that they find the derelict ship in the first alien film. I'm gonna fuck and scream. Remember who it was. A friend of mine was talking about. How lake their theory is that really scott made the first alien and you know it was. It was a revelation. And then james cameron comes along and makes aliens and it was like really scott was like wait a minute. Who's this guy who came in and took this from me and then all these layers. I'm going to make sure everybody understands that. I'm the one who really like now. Man you're not it's bigger than you man. Cameron makes it when he makes his version of it he decides because he didn't have to bring ripley back but he's like no she's going to be here and he injects humanity into into that aspect of the story right and that's saying that she there's there's humanity in the first one but the characters are all fully fleshed out in the first one there many of them are just there to get eaten and the actors and the performances elevate all of that whereas really scott. He's so much less interested in humanity. He only wants. He has only the only characters he's interested in the robots with these movies. He wanted to tell robots stories which is perfectly fine. It's just tying back to david as they seem to be going with the arc of it after covenant. I mean it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I mean as a fan. I like the idea of the aliens being something more ancient something. That's predates humanity and unknowable. This is the tear in space that you are never going to understand and you need to get as far away from as possible. That's all there is to it and even the idea that the engineers created the aliens. I'm perfectly okay with that. You just don't have to as long as you. Don't explain every little element of it because you keep certain things mystery or explain it poorly. Well yeah there is that right and even when it comes to the alien versus predator films. I mean again. We seem to be so beholden. To whale you tani. It's just like come on guys we can have like. You said we have alien stories that have nothing to do with. And you tommy with ripley with any of the droids none of that stuff we could be completely in a different part of the galaxy and have alien story and we should be able to do that but for whatever reason it just like we have to keep putting it into this time line somehow and it's like no no no it's like it's the star wars thing where it's just like. Oh somehow we have to tie a fucking skywalker into this. It's almost like fan service in a way. I don't hate fan service. But it. But i also don't i don't feel any need to be imprisoned by it and that's and that's that's what it is you know you'll have these little little nods and stuff like that can be cute but other times they can just be unnecessary or destructive. Yeah i mean you. You can use elements of waylon. Utah need to build a world because it's established they're very big company but literally if you're gonna do in alien versus predator film one. I have no idea why they didn't just set it in the future. Because that's what everybody was asking for. And you really didn't have to include anything more overt than a wayland. You tani mug exactly. We don't have to see mr utah ni or mr. I mean we get mr ghitani in the second one. We get mr whelan in the first one i was like. Oh god i guess that goes for keeping Lance henriksen in the films by or didn't really need it didn't need it lance but but he's already in the movie you're talking about three. It's like it's like it's one of the things like okay. Y- you design them and you made them look just like you for for what again right. You made him look like younger. You i guess to it. What risk you know. Yeah yeah very much hubris. I guess i don't know why okay. We'll we'll talk more about previous in the second half of the show. I mean just say a quick i like the biblical you know about how they poured into as part of the bible. I i don't know if this is true or not. But i like the idea of. I read an article where it was talking about. How people keep asking ripley who she is or what she is an. Nfl kinda denies herself three times until she finally gets asked. Who are you by purvis. And then she says. I'm the monster's mother and that's like the truest answer. That could possibly give gives an answer at one point. That she's ellen ripley lieutenant first class and call calls it and says like hey you died two hundred years ago but yeah once you finally says i'm the monster's mother it's like okay now you finally you're there. You finally accepted who you are and those she can start building a identity of her own and escape this place soon. I do love that final line which lived through the entire thing of. I'm a stranger here myself. Love that line. And i love that. Yeah this version of ripley has never been to earth and the version of ripley that we saw in the very first movie ellen ripley. I don't know if you've ever been to earth. I mean who knows at that point. Well issue on earth in aliens though. No she's an a space station which he and his space station though at. She's in the space station at the beginning. They i don't think they define it. But i believe in the expanded i believe. They said she stayed on gateway l. k. That would make sense because there's nothing for her there. Yeah i think our daughter is on earth and she died on earth just a few years before ellen was found. That was another thing. I got shit for by the way when i was talking about alien threes. I kept talking about like fairy tales. And you know how she's kinda like snow white and then you've got like At one point there's a framing of her alien three where the seven prisoners go. She's like snow white. And the seven dwarfs somebody was just like hey man trying to put a fucking tale shit on this fuck you that was so fucking bear like an alien aliens. They call her snow white. At one point. I mean they were playing. They were playing with fairy tale. Motifs the dammit. I got no time for people with no imagination. I mean the alien queen could sell be melissa melissa fan in this whole idea of harboring sleeping beauty and like here again. She is up two hundred years ago. They literally referred to the. They literally referred to the alien as a dragon. He he is sleeping beauty. She wakes up at the beginning of almost every movie. She wakes up. Either from being an hypo hyper-sleep i think in what one two three. And then this when she wakes up from being cloned cloned right yeah. I don't know why they cut that moment of her grabbing. One of the arms of the doctor. I thought that was a good seem surprised that that was cut. Because when i was watching it and i put the thing on and then i was like oh. I thought that was in the movie and well. It's it's it's a great scene because it just again. It establishes very early on that. She's not right that she is deadly and even when unconscious she has these reactions to attack like an alien intimate also called back to like the pardon in par-three three when the doctor goes to give her the shot and she just wakes up and grabs his arm real quick or even the way she you know in the novelization of aliens the way she interacts with the after she wakes up. It's all this very cheap. When she wakes up she's usually. It always feels like she's a little more aggressive. She's not a morning person by any stretch right exactly but also just like you need to get away from what we're talking. She wakes up something terrible's have other. That's the other great line is like. I'm used to be afraid to sleep because i'd always have nightmares but now i'm not because when i wake up it's always worse i do really like to. There was a few articles that read. Of course the modern prometheus frankenstein. They talk a lot about frankenstein especially with this one. Because of the way that the doctors are these kind of mad scientists and they make these creatures basically remaking replay. I love so much that somebody pointed out that the brand door of character you know. Keep him alive till the end. And then when the baby dispatches That the baby bites brain out basically. It's just like taking care of the mad scientist by removing that brain. That thought up all of this madness that they have and this one is so great to with this whole idea of the alien mother giving birth to this baby and this weird post birth abortion that they basically gives you the baby. And when you see the look on. Replace face that she's super. She said that the space has to be the strived. Yeah a key elements of ripley's characterization. From aliens forward is her as mother and this is her essentially killing a child her all her child her grandchild but still her child and she's got her surrogate daughter. Now she's got hall at least but again calls not human and she's not human so i guess they're actually kind of a perfect mother daughter in this one won't hopefully die unexpectedly at the beginning of next sequel the original ending just for folks homeless. Like not only were they carrying the bodies of these poor mining workers who you know. They're the proletariat getting fucked over by this capitalist system. Sorry to throw in a little marxism for it but they were also transporting these harvesters and at the end they get in one of these harvesters and end up the fighting the baby alien that way and the baby alien was what had like. Six lags is more like a spider than wings wings. That's right towards the end. It broke out and it had wings and it turns into this ariel battle. And i was thinking about that earlier when you were talking about like the insect nature of the monster in how it's played up in this movie and it's like what we'd was going for in the original draft but it's like there's really no suggestion from either one of these species that have now intermingled that wings would show up kind of reminded me of the of splice. Know the vincenzo. Tally film but it also reminded me more of the end of aliens when sigourney gets into the The the body mecca suit. Basically you know the the suits that they had in the as the novel of starship troopers that to me is what the movie is more than anything is him trying to take it back to aliens trying to look even that one part where it's like when john or wants to ditch the one guy says no offense in gives him the finger and says none taken. I like a lot of the dialogue that we have an alien resurrection but to me the best dialogue is still aliens. you know. That movie is so fucking quotable you you know the line. It's just it's amazing to me that it's what's endlessly quotable dialogue dialogue that is so distinct to those individual characters. You know you know who said what when you're when you quote that or when you're thinking about that and some of those people aren't even on the screen for that long but it just becomes it it is so perfectly individualized and that's what makes that movie so strong like one of many things that makes it so strong. Yeah we can quote hudson. We can quote hicks. We can quote fast as we can call it so many of these people i. I can't really quote john. Are that much work christie. That monitor raise that much. You know like you quoted freeze. He quoted the line. but that's about. It's it's kind of awkward to try to say. I am not the man with whom to fuck. That's like that to me. Feels like classic early weeden dialogue at it is before he'd done like ten years of television was like okay. Yeah that's just a lot to that. There's no reason to put anybody through that. I mean i. I mainly just hurt people. I mean jonah does have the best lines. Say that's a. That's that's a solid line for sure but again it's not there's nothing in there or in ripley has some good lines to it. Just doesn't have the magic of that second movie breath or even the first movie for that matter but although in the first movie it feels again going back to what i said before like i feel like that's an example of just flawless casting. Oh fuck him. You know you and you've got the in. I have to imagine that much of that. Dialogue was not even written especially since they were using that altman technique of the overlapping dialogue. And everything they were just felt like they were just riffing right and just comes out totally natural completely believable. Like this is a ship full of factory workers that you know and and this is how every single one of them would talk. There was an article from just A last month where they were talking. That originally all meant was supposed to direct alien. And i just i mean some of those weird like you know. Hey yeah we almost had this guy. We almost had. This guy is just like wow okay. 'cause it's another one like reading about who might have directed alien resurrection. You're just like wow. These are some really interesting choices that you had here. I'm glad that it was unique. And i think she getting burned by this movie so much help to make other things. I mean. what wasn't his follow up to. This was watching this in. my wife is like what. What did this guy do. She said something like that. The his next movie was like one of the best movies of that year. I saw very long engagement. I haven't seen mic. Max and i haven't seen what what's the other one that he did The young and prodigious pivot. I haven't seen that either but apparently he's got a movie. That might be going direct to netflix this year. Big bug out. What's another alien. Maybe it's all about that bug at the beginning. Who gets squashed comes back for revenge and we're so interesting also in one of the the behind the scenes the one i was the story board artist. Who was like. Genie saw himself as like a hired hand more that he was he was. This movie was basically him just making a commercial like a really long commercial. If that's the case. And you know i have my own feelings about this movie but i'm not going to take anything away from him. I feel like that's more. It just felt. I don't know if he meant it that way. But that felt more limiting than than i saw it no he. He came to play. But i think it's one of those things where he when he initially came in. It was with the idea. I'm just gonna go along. I'm gonna do what they want me to do. I'm gonna make an american movie. And then he realized that they the producers and the people behind it. They wanted him to play. They wanted him to bring his own thing to it so he brought it in. But i don't think he did it in a aggressive. This is how we are going to do it. I think it was just He was happy. The opportunity to inject a little bit of that weirdness in their everything that you hear in the commentaries stuff it does not sound like it was a bad shoot at all. It sounds like they all had a great time. I mean the underwater stuff very enchanting but that also them filming that i did really bring them all together and it's a perfect way to actually schedule that kind of shoe to you. Know 'cause you could you imagine going through weeks and weeks of filming knowing you have this terrible terrible thing ahead of you will and if one of died than they could have replaced him right away without having shot the rest of the film or if they refused to be in the scene. It's a trauma shoots all the news stuff i that whole thing. I never knew that. Kim flowers hillard that whole thing where he weaver sees her outfit and says i want that and so when hillard is in the water. She's wearing the outfit that eventually they would redo for cigarettes. And i think that's one of the reasons why she happens to be the last one in the water and ends up being killed in that me but yeah poor kim flowers. I was looking at her from agra fast. Just like what else has she done. Oh not a whole lot is like i like during the film cheap see was in two other things including the small small role in fear and loathing in las vegas. And then that's it. Her career ended in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Hopefully she's doing well. What was your thoughts. Because this remember this being a very divisive points at the time of its release still continued the look and the presentation of the newborn. I like the newborn. I was reading one review that talked about. How the newborn head a beer belly. Yeah all they talked about. The genie was insistent that it had genitals male and female male female. And they did that. And i love what they what he's telling us even even he's even for a frenchman. This is too much. And then they had to digitally array them. Ella gillis things like you know we could have just made a an appliance to cover it probably would have been cheaper than going through digitally removing it. The way that walks leads with its genitals to you know like it's not necessarily the belly that we're seeing it's the genitals that it's leading with because of the change that's not clear right see. I always looked at it. More like How sometimes a baby will have a protruding stomach. And it's again. It's a very sort of malformed. Infants quality that the thing has and i remember a lot of people talking about how it was so far apart from a gig or design. And it's interesting that if you look at the various concert they came with it. Originally they work with something that was decidedly more giger esque. I never felt that way. I never i think for for me. It was always. It was such a shock. And i i have to assume that this i'm not the only one who felt that it was just such as any talk about this. A little on the commentary to it was a shock to suddenly be dealing with a monster. That head is yeah and that was so far. Fueled from anything that the franchise had done before. I mean when you see the queen it makes sense. It's a bigger version of the alien. It still fits but the is definitely. Put it into something else. But i can. I can see why japan wanted the is because he wanted to sing to a moat. he wanted to show. it's emotions. it's it's its own little dirty and it's hard to do without swith something that has no is with the you. Get this almost like an exoskeleton head but if you took that away i wanna say in the gone back to the some of the early giger concepts that it does have kind of a skull face so i was like. I'm okay with having a skull face but yet to your point it does have is but the the pretty ice and yeah it makes you feel for it. That's what we have to do. Unsettling isn't the right word. It was just so not what i'm used to. These are killing machines that and that's all they've ever been right and so all the sudden our lake hold on. I'm supposed to an end. And i'm just gonna fully admit they're successful like it's kinda painful to watch that thing die like i said the totally successful in the sense. I think i can't remember who it was. And if i read this senator somebody was complaining. We i watched it like and these things got these puppy. Dog is god's it's supposed to be it's supposed to be a this horrible monster but you know that's what they wanted to go with and again it's it speaks to what we were talking about the version of expectations and i don't necessarily know if they were going to actively out to subvert this is just where as sensibilities lied and. I do like what we see with this thing. Because so much of the initial design of the of the creatures is in keeping with his bio mechanical aesthetic. You know that blend of flesh in metal and what we have with this with this mutation. That's coming from the cloning process is something. That's all flesh. And it's something that's different than anything we'd ever seen now do. Do we need. Would we need to to continue with that. Designed to carry the franchise forward. No but as a one off and again just kind of speaking about something. That is other something that is beyond our perceptions. Something that is alien. I think it fits very well into that. It's a powerful mix of something you're trying it's trying to get you to be sympathetic to it. But it's absolutely grotesque exact won't and that's the thing is one it's making those noises and going up to its mother and you think that oh this is going to be a loving scene and then it rears back and suddenly becomes ugly and smashes her face off and it's just like whoa okay. This is not to be trifled with. 'cause i just like oh it's a beautiful beautiful butterfly but no just going to kill this thing. It's absolutely terrifying. Yeah and i never knew. Until i was watching the credits. The other day that archie. Hahn one of the guys. From phantom of the paradise who's in the juicy fruits he does part of the voices for the alien that han had a whole career. After acting in front of the camera he does a ton of voice of work and yeah he was making. Those noises of the baby has one of two people credited for that. And those noises. I have to say i mean i think that alien resurrection is really put together. Well i mentioned the music before. And i love that. That part of the making of where they're talking about. Here's some the weird sounds that we came up with for this movie and i was like. Wow that's really neat. Who would have thought to do that. And those things play into it. Really well i mean in each of the alien scores is really well done. I make fun of horner. Sometimes because there are parts of aliens it sounds exactly like wrath of khan. But but it's a good score especially the beginning when the machine comes in. And it's looking around and and ripley's in the crowd chamber that kind of like that music that they have is beautiful stuff. And of course nobody beats the jerry. Goldsmith's score from the original and god. I mean to use those parts of it for that trailer that trailer. Still the one of the scariest things i've ever seen. Yeah that's that's just takes me back to prometheus and how that trailer was they. Use the the sound effects from seventy nine. And i'm like oh man. I'm so on board for this just a heartbreaker we forget. How important sound is sometimes like i think. One of the most successful things to talk about another franchise one of the most successful things that they do in the mandalorian is to reuse or replicate the sounds from the original star wars to the point where sometimes feels like they're actually sampling lines from the original star wars. When it comes to some of the things that the storm troopers say and that that brings you back into that. That's one of those other member bury's for me is when i hear those things i'm just like. Aw that sound that sounds beautiful. And yet the the sound design on something like this. And and the rest of the aliens franchise. Wow they can do a really good job of setting that tone all right guys. 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And so i got when i got the los angeles i was just a wreck and they called me for the audition and i went in there and just brought all that angst with me in the room and they were like we love it. Hire him. I was l- i just went out of that. I didn't even They they my agent called me. He's the gary. Where did you go. They're looking for you in the hallway. 'cause after i did my thing in the room i just left was so full of whatever i was bringing into the room. Chase me down the hallway as my agent told me looking for me to try to to tell me that. They wanted me for the role. That was a great time for me. Because i was having such a hard time in the open because i was. I guess you know you go through transition in life and that was one of those transition. I was playing with the band in new york doing well. But i was. I was point with moving up to los angeles spending more time out there to follow through with my acting. endeavors and My aspirations i was on the fence and that film kind of pushed me over to go. This is what you need to be doing. And don't worry about the band. It's such a strong ensemble piece. I must have been kind of nice to have that support of the other actors as well. it was. I mean ron perlman. Always look too because you really made me laugh on. Said he's actually the strong as a character actor he is. He's very very funny guy and he he makes the day go by quick sigourney. Weaver is just awesome. She's so full of power and great. And she's very supportive with me. And i got to know Winona onset there. I had not known ever four. And she's just like she's suggests to busy. She has a Shied demeanor very soft spoken. But she's sweet a super sweetheart and I had a A great time with an october most of all getting to know zhong peers. Even though at that time he didn't speak much english and my french was not non. Existent we still. you know. We still manage to get through this production and Picking great direction from him because he is one of the greats a great visual director. So i was just was pushed into the deep end of the pool of their literally actually did a two week. Underwater scene that lasted for two weeks. And when you're underwater for twelve to fifteen hours a day. I think i started to grow gills and it was fantastic because you started being more comfortable under the water. Then you are. When they ask for lunch break. I stayed down there. It was just stay down there all day and they would give us directions with the speaker underwater because sound travels faster underwater. Which is something that you don't realize when you're human being when you're underwater. You can hear better because the sooner so it was interesting it was. It was a great shoot and it was great to be introduced into the art of blockbuster. Filmmaking was that film with that franchise recently. I've seen the documentary. They've just done about alien. Is the name of loose me. But it's mostly a buck how they crafted the first alien and working with geiger and it was very very interesting. Super super informative and i've always loved this guy that everyone one of his films. I love so it was great to see this film. And i feel very proud to be part of that franchise. I don't imagine that that was your own hair. Yeah was we got some extensions to make it a little bit longer. Because i think my hair is just maybe two inches three inches shorter than that but it was my lots now the thing was. Is that the funny thing was that i was doing some rules here and there because at that time it was i was really early on for men who had locks. There's nobody in sports. That had not one person and i was the only guy on tv with last time. I lay kravis was out with his album so he was only rock mode locks so it was You know it was really early. Time for that type of look and i did that film right after that film think i went off to egypt and i cut my hair off so i came back with the premier with a bald head and the director. Job here looking galle. What did you do 'cause he that was going to be such a big hit. And he knew that it was going to be so good for my career. But i changed all of that. I had meetings lined up with all the major directors and i walked in with a bald head. No one recognized. No one knew who i was. I didn't work again after alipur another year and a half live in. Yeah junaid direct you through an interpreter or more through like body language yeah this is interpreted amos christine and he also directed me through body language. Now since i have been living in paris about eight years. And i live actually around the corner from his office. Mama i've i've spent some time with him in paris and he's english is is better than my french. I say now but at the time he was hardly speaking ridge so he said that you went for a year and a half without getting a gig that one. Yeah it was about a year and a half. So i worked again. And after that i was able to do things that i had because i had lots for. I don't know over a decade. Yeah and so. When i when i cut my hair took me to find my place in the industry but then afterwards i was able to do serious like Say nocco mex- for for candidates Towers Mom and i leave it at a tv film together like that. That i wouldn't have done with lock's so it kind of opened me up but at the time you know. I think the industry had a hard enough time trying to figure out what to do with me as it were now. I was just trying to kick my way around the industry. Trying to figure out what i would be best doing so it took a while. It took awhile after that. But i you know. We've been touching governor industry as it is a good lesson. How did you end state. Yeah i i had a baby on the way to so on my daughter nyla was is being born and i was just trying to I was just being an artist. You know doing odd jobs Kicking around as musician. Doing what i could. I just you know by any means necessary. I just kept going and sell guitars doing all sorts of odd jobs. Man tell me about redemption day and tell me about the making of that did you shoot it. All pre covid. Yeah denture day was shut off recovered and shot all entirely in morocco. she would still use. I got the script through left of my immediately interested because it seemed like i could bring more to just a some kind of action hero thing that we soon before i wanted to put some kind of dimension to the character and i talked to the director about forty more of the ptsd issue there with that his driving not his driving to get to have them get back into part of the issue. What drives him to have struggled to some of these these places in his life trying to go back into society and then subsequently going back into field This is something that a a great deal of servicemen and women deal with and i wanted to put that into focus because often we see action films and the heroes just unflappable and was just you know indomitable. It's is a big hero. Does everything right and get the bad guys and people go home. And everyone's happy. But i wanted to put more of a human frail thing in there somewhere that he makes mistakes and that he's coming from the past and he's maybe done some things that are had some things he's experienced that that don't sit well with him that he can't sleep through and there's Friends of mine. That i've been through service industry marines that i've known over the years i've sort of crafted out there and taking pieces of events so and Hopefully some of that comes across the screen as well and it was really interesting to shoot in morocco for that. Because we re not like. We're shooting in nevada somewhere. We shouldn't in a beautiful place but it's also very easy to get into character over there. You've been doing this for over thirty years now. And i'm curious what your methodist to get into character touched about taking pieces from people that you knew. Are you able to do that for everything that you do. Or how do you go about kind of crafting. Who you're going to be unscreened. Mostly i could do that with a lot of the characters. The power of observation is is is really necessary. Would look crap. And that's something that i from watching. Sam jackson watching number genero has been observing people realize situations. You have to put someone who's in a mental help. Just go and spend some time there and really start to pick out human qualities and characteristics of of the people that you're playing and that really helps craft the character it transcends. It comes across on screen. I think mostly so definitely do try to do that. I try to interview people's much as possible. I try to get as much physical activity in there and i and for this Particularly we didn't have that much time. I didn't have. I had two months three months with fretwork to be able to do that. Usually when you're doing a big budget film they'll give you six to eight and nine. What's to prepare. And i'll give you a team that i had none of that so i had to do a great deal of that on my own. I call up all the people that i knew and just had discussions with them about how hannah themselves higher ups about how they handle themselves. How do they stand. How would they working with firearms. That i started working with different firearms trading places and and just getting myself more comfortable you want to be fluid and so some of that we ended up using and some of the stuff that you know just really working hard at may have ended up editing floor but at least give an effort. Because you know that's less with the craft is about and that's the love it s another. She has the craft search and to to to take every day. There was a film that i had to do. I play george jackson prison for thirty years. That was tough because they wanted to put me up in a nice bed and breakfasts up there in the bay area. No was when we were actually in shooting in nevada reno. We shouldn't read on. And i was in this nice bed and breakfast but bad to shoot the prison every day in the in the when the ward where they They do lethal injection in those cells. That's where we shooting after the first day there. I said i'll just have to go is like a shitty motel. Just because i'm i'm coming in here it's just not just your normal job that i'm doing it's really you know to to stay in that place. I'm gonna have just the in a certain amount of solitude now. So i had to do certain rituals clinton's that prison often because a lot of dark spiritual energy live and so i really worked hard at trying to maintain. And i'm i don't consider myself A method actor at all but in that for that particular role particular role. I felt that i needed to maintain pensive just set the continuity who out my performance is really important for me to maintain that to not go off and have a great much crew. This really needed to maintain to keep his accent too. I kept on listening to wreckage of him. Speaking to get kate in his voice and i kept on looking at videos of his mannerisms every time we gotta brick routes Cut i would go back to my recently. My just tried my best to do crap because when you work with somebody who's in historical figure it depends on what kind of actor you are but most actors want to get it right. You know. he's somebody who's been on take historical figure who's been we have record of. Do you want to get it right now. And short of being an impersonation you wanna kinda get the whole thing right and that was particularly hard just because There was one part. We i got locked in the The cell the the the the things that broke the mechanism. So i got locked in about three hours and the whole cruise freaking out trying to get out of there. But i was actually by that time. I was content because i had been in the cell for so long and i had been working with his character and reading his books and doing all those things so i was already lewis with it. You know like get outta here. I have to get my makeup guys like. Let's keep rolling. And she we come up with. And that's the kind of sets that i like the spontaneity of director and writer willing to bend the rules a little bit brings something new. You never know what you get. Go out and take a a handheld camera and shoot some other things. That's the kind of creation. that's why i'm involved. That's why i like this This method of storytelling. Because of those fasten. I've got one slightly annoying question for you but it came up while we were talking about Alien resurrection on the show. Why didn't you just kick that alien off your boat. I think what jump. Here's your name was going for. Was he had an effect in mind and It changed because the budget went. Allow him to complete it so we switched to the To the the aliens shooting acid in my because when we were shooting another seen when another day they were putting some smoke. Coming out of my gun. Monday were putting the smoke coming out of my gun. It's something that they spray into. The barrel of the gun and the guy was screaming into the barrel together. Sprayed it right my eye. And i just went down like a load of bricks. I just went down and i was wriggling and pain on the floor. And he saw that and that's when he decided to change the script should be me up in the ladder getting shot with asking him. I and that's sort of what i was just talking about. As far as an spontaneity willingness to be in the moment and and but that's a great question because for me. I i to do things. But i think for his effect he was tried to. He was trying to craft a perfect shot that he would. He would pan back in. Show that up on that apparatus with an alien hanging off my foot. You know so i think i had to play along with it and just believe that an alien had incapacitated me so severely who out my nervous system that i just could not move and the only thing i can do is just cut myself free. You know because the acid my nervous system. So that's what i played it for. You know to be honest with you. When i started the film i i was like probably sixty and gm shares. And they like went. Gary you gotta gained some weight. You can't look we don't look like you can carry a guy when you're back throughout half the film so go go bulk up at all. I just started eating enlisting and eating and listening and before that i was getting guy it was one of the best experiences of my life. I really put a little markup there and that was that was fun times man. It was like doing something you love. And i was wondering every day even when i wasn't shooting just seeing how kanji would light. He's the scientists and we were just around so many technical geniuses that is just like a kid in a candy store. I'm still in buck myself. So i've seen all the various and it was just great to be an end city. The lost children was my favorite show the years prior right before alien resurrection. So i was a fan boy. When i got this. That from alien franchise. Jack is jim. Nez work with carol. You know sigourney is work. You know being one of the first hero. We've seen one film. And i was just a fan boy. Big time yeah. I left his delicatessen so much. The first time. I saw that it just blew me away. What a what. Good thing to do with wide angle lens. He's magnificent the guys that the genius. What are you working on now. Other than promoting redemption day. I'm in atlanta right now. So ming a couple of episodes of a show called First wives club based off the film with amazing comedian. Stand up comedian and show until The songstress Jill scott is also in the show. So i'm just having a magnificent time laughing through the getting of twenty twenty one because these women make me last there so beneath the comedy. Actually when i was. I used to crack jokes all the time and they would have told me down. Tell me rolling. A seen. Gary could you. If i didn't crack the cool all day then wasn't a good thing. I was working really hard laugh. Because you know one thing. I realized that real cops and real people on crime series. They have to last all day too because they have to work with morbid shit so they have to figure out ways to you know. Get through the day. I'm hoping for more of that in the years to come more laughter mr jordan. Thank you so much for your time. This has been terrific. Stay safe down in atlanta and good luck with the first wives club. I look forward to seeing it very much raw up next. You're going to hear from purvis. That is mr leland. Orser who shares a little bit about his career and how. It was working on alien resurrection. I have been a fan of your work since the first time. I put a name to your face and i think that was seven. That was my first movie. My first real movie unusual thing. I think the role originally called for an older overweight. Like at the time i was considerably younger. You know middle aged guy. Who's a casting director at the time. Who still out there in billy hopkins and he kinda championed the at that time and he ating and he was doing all the big movies and anything that came across his desk he would bring me in for whether it's right for it or not and this was the most unusual ask i got you know. Request to come in and audition for this thing and I resisted big time at first. And then i was reassured that he felt that there was something there that i could do something with so it was really kind of. There's no way in the world this is ever going to happen. Approach to it. I did a screen test for it and screen test center. David fincher and And it all happened pretty quickly after that. I was a major in a nightclub in on the sunset strip at that time to was working as a philly called me personally and told me the news and And i was. I was actually not happy. I was disturbed. And i and i saw. I don't really know if i want to do this. I don't was a great acting exercise in the screen test thought. Do i want to be associated with that content and that act and he reassured me. He said i'm telling you leland. Do this also quit your job as a maitre d' because your career will has begun and He said this will be a a marker for you and and things will will change from here on out because of what you're gonna do in this movie. He said that he had been confidence. Great confidence in me. And i'll i'll ah forever be grateful to him for for starting because it did start there time. Read write that. You studied acting in london. I did it. A little place called the drama studio had a sister school in berkeley. It was a one year program which is what drew me to it and we had all the same advisors and teachers from rot and central and The you know the other academies and consider tores in london some believe ordinary people teaching speech and texts How to approach shakespeare and text and it was a really a great year of education. Learns a lot. When did you know that acting was the career choice for you. Career interesting word. I knew it was something for me and right for me right from the third grade. When i played. I played Ton ten christmas carol and my school in just Fit it fell so totally right. It's out completely at home. And then i and and i always did. I went to college and went to a small liberal arts college back east and it wasn't a conservatory and it and it really didn't have the strongest Department for training somebody to have a career in in theater and in film and entertainment so like two years in. I realized that was in the wrong place and i was also very interested in what else the school had to offer in the way that you -cation and i got interested in my education and academics for the first time in my life will late in the game and so So i changed my major and When i when i finished i i had been now away from acting for two years and from the world that i grew up in that meant. Now it's time to go out into the world and get serious and get a real job and that acting wasn't really a it wasn't really something that people who came from where i came from. Did i have no family member who had ever done that. And who would have shown a light of the way for me you know. I used all the career counseling and all of that kind of stuff that a school offers. You and i actually landed an offer from a bank to do their training program for international banking fucking add or subtract to save my life and But but but i you know i did really well in the interview and I very quickly realized that that was a the the wrong thing and found my way back and turned the offer down went to new york city and got into some atkin classes surrounded myself with like minded people and and realized that this was something not that i could do but wanted to do and and had to do and really never looked back when you get there and you're doing the acting classes that you start working in the theater. What was your your way of expressing yourself other than the classes. I did the classes and I did those for a short period of time. And then i realized that i needed more than that. And that's when. I applied to to go to school. And i felt like i missed a lot of time and i felt like i needed to catch up quickly. Which is why. I didn't apply to the standard four year programs because i thought It'll all be over by that time. And you know and and i'm i'm ready to go now i just. I know that. I need to learn things about how to do this professionally so i went to school in london and then i came back in the moment i got back. I started working in the theater. And i really. I've worked at in the theater a lot. I i toured the whole eastern seaboard doing theater in all of the regional theaters on the east coast and that that was formative and wonderful incredible. When did you decide that you're going to make the breaking go out to la you know. I realize that we're only so far. I could only so much i could do. I lived in rent controlled apartment on the upper west side. And i love the theater and the theater. I hope to always be the theater. I hope to go back to it. But i but i realized that i wasn't going to be able to do what i wanted to do. In life with the living that i was making on a off broadway regional theater you know salary i also was drawn to the world of film and television and i and i and also confident that there was a place in for me so i just made the leap. I just. i got in my car with my cousin and drove across country and ended up in la. And you know got here and immediately started working in In television mostly television. You did a lot of tv worker. I remember you. In cheers and x-files did a couple episodes of these fakes nine. And then you've done so many different iterations of star trek sunset. Yeah including playing not a a an alien not a not a creature. Not romulu night. I've played a real person in in in in in star trek as well. That was a great place for up and coming actors they were and that was like a repertory theatre sort of setting. You could do multiple characters on multiple shows because you could hide behind the products you know and and and it was And you know and it was a good paycheck back then going back to your role in seven your person hysterical. And i'm so cute. How do you get to a place like that. And how do you maintain that. Especially because i know that david ventures kind of notorious for multiple takes how do you get in that head space. I had no idea what they saw in the arrive. They saw in me. So i would certain it was going to be a total failure and so again like the screen tests for. I really had nothing to lose. I felt like it was just a one off in the room in front of the camera. But i also knew that i had to go to place. Mostly that i that i hadn't actually Even ever been to in my own life in my own emotional life. I didn't know how i was going to do that. And and i had to go to that place a virtual psychic psychotic break. I go to that place in front of people in front of a crew of people and actors. And and i thought how the fuck am i ever going to do that so i decided one thing i could do was not sleep the night before so they told me the day that i was going to shoot stayed up all night and that morning i got a call. I was supposed to go in in the afternoon saying your day. Your day of shooting has been pushed tomorrow so then i thought fuck okay. Now what do i do Do i sleep. But if i sleep then i'm not gonna dumbness sleep deprivation. Prep work that. I thought was going to help me so then i thought you know what i can't sleep. I'll just stay up again. So i stayed up another night and i was really not in a great place as one can imagine and so i wasn't eating because my stomach was all messed up but i needed to stay awake so i was drinking a lot of black coffee. I was supposed to be. I stop that morning. The scene with the interrogation scene with me and morgan freeman so. I'm drinking a lot of black coffee to keep you awake. And then they said to me. You're you're seeing has been pushed to the end of the day so it just sit on the steps of my trailer. If i went inside i would fall. Asleep wasn't really a smoker at the time but I thought you know that that should help to kind kinda fucked things up. So got got a couple of packs of marlboro reds. So it was caffeine and marlboro reds. Black coffee and marlboro reds. So by the time they brought me on set. I was in a state and then as you have correctly observed there were many many takes and then you know that's that's sort of where it ended up. I would not advise that kind of preparation To any buddy was it. The i could've gotten there. I could have gotten there without all of that. I now i now know while you could wreck your health by during that. Oh i did and then once it was over. And i came home that night. Then i couldn't sleep and you know and having been through it and you know i was i was i was kind of a a wreck for a few days but i've since learned as an actor that you don't need to go to those extremes to get. What is that you need to get tough lesson learned. It's funny the next thing. I remember you being in was escape from la but you had already done so many things. Just between seven and escape from la. It seemed like that casting agent was right. It just seemed like kick start your career. You seem to be working all the time after that. It's the way it kind of always was from that moment. On scape from la was opportunity of a lifetime to work with john carpenter. And i i've been really really lucky in in my career to work with these directors that i had read about in a new about and watched the work junk carpeting was such a great guy. I've one thing i remember from. That was my first fitting for my costume. Scheduled me and peter fonda at the same time by accident so peter fonda and i were back to back in this tiny little wardrobe room in and out of these costume choices costume designer. Have i was a wet suit. So that was pretty was a wet suit. That was pretty simple. But that was kinda neat. You can great guy. We shot in the coliseum for a week. We did night shoots. And there's a lot of nights shoots on that movie i want say. And maybe that was my very first introduction to extended nights shoots which are a very interesting element of making films. They take a toll on on all involved as well. You become night owls. That was a great experience. Great experienced semi was in the movie and Being in the coliseum was a highlight we it all to ourselves. I remember standing on the fifty yard line and just looking around going to things that happened in this place and we have it to our own. Who's pretty pretty cool. The olympics were there all this like working with Junk kerogen a in alien resurrection. So seven happened first and then alien. Resurrection happened soon after that thing that with that. I had in common with those two movies with cinematographer darius kanji shot both of those and i had been jagoda. The leme lays on sunset and You're not here you're back east. There's a independent movie house here called the it was the langley's And then they call it the sunset. Five i wanna say and now i don't even know what it's called or and certainly not open but It played all of the art house independent films and it was a favorite place to go to in remember Sitting in the theater watching city of lost children and turning to who whoever i was with and growing. This is the kind of movie that i want to be in. This is the kind of filmmakers that i wanna work with you know and then They gave giampiero not mark. Caro did it by himself Alien resurrection she brought over eventually brought over like many of his friends crew. So it was a predominantly. French crew ultimately didn't start out that way but it became a french crew and You know what if ever as the doug that tool on the fox lot like fifteen feet into the ground and took over entire sound stage. It's so we could shoot all that underwater stuff and the creatures the face hugger the i mean to to watch those movies and then to walk into a sound stage and see all of that stuff. You really have to pinch yourself. And working with gorny was Total blessing and ron perlman domini pignon. Who had been one of the stars of delicatessen in city of lost children separately When not on the taken movies i worked with. I work in france with a french crew. And i was very used to their system and their rhythm and and they're In in the way they work and the french offensive. Got it down. What's so different between their films at anna. Us from set. There's no lunch. I wanted to say that we got you know picked up at our hotel at around nine o'clock so you get a good night's sleep could stay out and party you taking in you do your hair and your makeup and your wardrobe and then everybody assembles together to eat a meal together and and red wine served at the table who sit at long tables. The food is served to you and then you go and shoot for eight hours in that day. And there's no meal break. And i love the fact that there's a great cause a meal break can really disrupt thing. It's an hour. And then it's kind of an hour to kind of regroup and i love that. Everybody has a glass of wine. Before it's so civilized. I have to say your death scene in alien resurrection as just one for the books. It's so good. I camera down my throat that you know again. That's something that had to be shot over and over and over and over and like any science fiction film you gotta believe it for the audience to believe that you have to commit and think that's the that's what makes good science fiction. Really good is that There's no question that the actors are believing and feeling everything that they are doing and experiencing. You can't go halfway just because you're dealing with a big latex creature you know you gotta go gotta go all the way even more than the camera going down your throat. The way that you kind of stumble walk over to the guy before you hold his head to you. I love the way that you carry your body in that scene. It's almost like that moment of superhuman strength. That happens the alien taking over the body and the body no longer being in the body now being piloted by the alien. Let's just put me in his taking over the helm it's very cool. I loved loved working with all of those people love those days. They were long grueling days but we had such a good time together. That's another one where it's just such an amazing cast. That is put together. I mean you the off so many great people and just everybody in there from the smallest roles on i mean to have fred dorf just in that little tiny role. But it's brand dorf. I know and when you look back and look at one flew over the cuckoo's nest. And i truly love the first two and aliens. I think they're two of the greatest movies ever made. And i was a huge fan of david ventures version which he took over midway through production. I know too much about it. I don't feel the same way about the one that i was in. But there's a lot about it. Visually i i love. I'm very grateful to have been part of the series. The first two were fucking incredible and and a great deal of the of what happened in the third one in the concept of what happened in the third one. I loved as well. I think there's room for them to do more. You gotta go back to the rough basics of of the first it created a a an an an didn't it i outer space. Shaw i mean it. It started something that everybody has copied and and tried to replicate offender that by the way i loved battle star galactica out of nowhere. I loved all ninety. Seven episodes of the second battle star galactica. Is that a terrible thing to say fucking loved it. What is that like becoming a part of a world that you already love you know. I don't know if you had a love for star trek before you became part of star trek. But how is it to go into the alien realm and be there with ripley when you love alien and aliens you get over that pretty quickly. I wasn't a stalker type fan of any of the any of this stuff that i've done you get over it really quickly. Because she gotta work you gotta go to work and and these people that you have seen and watched and enjoyed and are all human beings all who want to create a good product and good tease and You are working with with them and so you have to do your job and you have to do your job. Well so i've just been really lucky. I was very lucky to you. Know to work opposite. Scorning a fucking extraordinary actor. You know you try to give as good as you get and you know when the when the bar is high. You're you just you you keep trying to reach it and the higher it goes the higher you reach so i feel like the better. The people are that you work with the better. Your work is it. Brings you to a higher level like a tennis match. You know you get the ball gets hit hard you. You're gonna have to hit it hard back and wanna keep a rally going. I just watched you in very bad. Thanks what an incredible movie. I had no idea where it was going to go. After the first act. I could not see the twists and turns yet is a good one a net my to be wife on that movie. It didn't happen doing that movie. We re-met later. The movie was great working with peter. Who's such incredible creative guy with so much energy and so many great ideas in you know working with with the with all the actors you know in the groomsmen and and and and that group was was was really Was a really great experience. I loved the script Again high level all around everybody working on it and it was really the precursor to the hangover. I wanna say the time wasn't right for it. I guess the humor is so dark. I still do have a lot of people. Come up to me and tell me unless they love that. Movie in a lot of them are women. But it's interesting. Yeah my wife made me turn it off for a little while. I had to watch it when she was out of the room. Just because the cameron diaz character was so shrill into. I can't stand it turn her off. He showed good years since i watched it. We wanna watch it with our son. Who's now an eighteen year old. And so we sort of your time. And i don't think he's seen it yet so we wanna what have family movie night. Watch very bad teams. When did your son kind of realize like mom and dad are in these things that i can see on tv. If i happen to be flipping around always he mean he's grown up on ourselves on our sides when you have a kid regardless of what it is that you do. At least in our way of parenting you know life becomes about the kid and and and about the kid's life and and the kids day and the kids achievements and the kids trials and tribulations and the whole family focus goes on that we didn't minimize what it was we did but we didn't certainly didn't emphasize it as the most important thing in the house. 'cause it he has always been always and always will be the most important thing in the house he would here. I think from friends. Who would you know. Were aware but Pretty unfazed by the whole thing. He grew up coming to the set of e are on the warner brothers. Lot and following the pa's and ad on Big love out in santa clarita eve visited while i was doing one of those star trek's on the paramount lot when i was shooting berlin station in europe. We wanted one season in budapest and He came over and found a job. That had nothing to do with with the show or with entertainment. He had his own internship over there doing something that was completely until as he he is his own his own only on And we you know so that that success. I'm trying to think of if you and jean even shared any scenes in that one. But i know for sure that you've worked together since then. You even directed a movie that that you both were in. I'm just curious. How is that working with your wife. In a professional capacity we gravitated towards each other when we were shooting scenes that we were both in there. Were there were there. Were group scenes. that we were both in and we somehow always ended up taking breaks and talking and the ended up or other people around but we always ended up being in a group or just the two of us doing a lot of talking together. She was so funny. And so good at that part saying stern's wife danny stern's wife on say we could right before the strike There was the the writers strike which really hit everybody hard in this town. We did a television movie together. To sort of you know stowaway. Some squirrel away some nuts. Just 'cause none of us knew how long that was gonna take so. We did this tv movie. That shot up in canada. I don't even remember what it was called or should nobody ever saw it but it. It arrived at the perfect time to do what we needed to do. And then And then i wrote this short. And i did this short. I did the circuit with the festival circuit with this short and the head of the sundance institute's centimeter now. What you've done the short. Where do you. What do you want to do next. And i s- i sort of said. Well what are what are you think. What are my options. And she said you know your options already use this as a calling card as a director. And i know and the the you could go to all the festivals that you want to and need other sort film makers and i thought no and she said or this is smaller piece of something bigger and you expanded until the rest of the story and make it into a feature and i said yes so that down and wrote the the feature version of the shorts. You know the first person i showed it to my wife and i said you know what what do you think. And she said you know if one of my representatives presented me with this script. It's something that i would that i would want to do that. I would kill to do and yet there was no possible way. That either bus wanted to go down that road together. Specially due to the subject matter of the film. Don't know when that changed. My thinking changed because some so many people that i showed the script to said course. She's gonna play that role right eventually. It'd end it ended up happening and we were basically separated literally with a little guest house Behind our house. And i. When i lived in that during the production of the film we we. We separated church and state which was when when we were shooting. And when i was working we were not together when i wasn't in time off in a day off and we were together. We did not discuss it. We did not address it. It was a it was a an agreement that was almost like contract. We made that when we walked on the set. We were one relationship when we walked off the set and it works really really really well. The most amazing thing was the first day of shooting getting behind the camera putting her in front of the camera because she's in every scene in the movie and i was so mesmerized by watching her on the monitor that i forgot to i yell action and then yell cut and then i realized just after that one i simple take that i was dealing with one of the most talented people And and That that i that i've ever met and that i've ever worked with and what an incredible realization after having been married to somebody seen there were known them and love them to life. Go to this next level where i was appreciator. Now of what she was doing and then she intern. Appreciated how. I had written in how i was directing and so we ended up working together really really well and We're able to take each other to higher levels than either of us had anticipated in the first place. She's so fucking beautiful in. That movie was great. It was it actually took our marriage to To to to an even better place than it was already. It was a really dangerous move. It could backfired easily and he didn't but it's a tough film to film to watch. It's a very difficult subject and difficult to watch. I wouldn't watch it. It came up on my netflix. I would not watch it. We had dinner one time with lake edwards and julie andrews just the four of us. My wife was doing a movie with julie andrews and we ended up the four of us. We we're going to be a ton of people and we walked into this restaurant and was nobody else there and it was just the two of them and i was just like. Are you fucking kidding me. What am i going to say. how am i gonna. He completely put me at ease. We have a wonderful evening great conversation and he asked me if i wrote and i said i only write in you know in journals and You know for fun and he said but if you ever considered writing because you sound knee you know. Speak in like a writer. And i said i haven't been trained i haven't i. I never studied it and he said you. You don't need to. And i said well what do you mean. And how and how did you become a writer and basically what is your process and he said to me said you know. I go to the quietest place i said. I haven't had a place That he would go to. He said i got my whatever it is going to be writing with instead. It out and he said and i just i get very very quiet and i sit and i waked in a wait and i wait. Wait and i wait for the story to tell itself to me. I wait for something to speak to me. And he said he compared it to like a bird sitting on his shoulder and singing into his ear. I thought oh oh. And that conversation. Absolutely love me to make the short and And the feature a of morning that. I ended up doing that. That exchange gave me courage to try to listen. Have you listened since then. Have you tried to do that again. In question in the eleventh year of isolation in the pandemic has been eight months. My questions of these. What do we want to watch. What what do we want to see. What stories do people want to be told. I have something. I i've shown it to A couple of friends. I have confidence in it in the story itself and in the telling of it. It's it's very very different from what i did. The first time out of my question is does does anybody. Does anybody wanna wanna hear this story. Does anybody wanna see this story told him kind of fumbling around with that because the moment that you take a step towards okay. I'm doing this. That's a investment of years. I don't wanna make that investment casually. They wanna take that step you know so i have to just take out if this is the story that i wanted that i feel people want to be told. I don't wanna tell a story that nobody wants to to hear. And what do i watch. What do i what do i. What am i interested in seeing now and we're so totally blindsided and and traumatized by this period of time. That were that were all experiencing. What do we want to see during this time. What do we or or am i writing stories for when this time is all over and everything is back to normal or we'll everything ever be back to normal. What do i personally go to. What do i personally. Click on and sit with for ninety minutes two hours three hours. You know we're watching. Ken burns's Series on country music. That's tastic. We watched that documentary about my teacher. The octopus on netflix. At the guy who who befriends and octopus in wreath in south africa. I think it is incredible fabulous. So i don't know. Have you been able to do much during this time. I worked straight or number of years in europe. And i was away from home for a long time and came back and both of us work and it was my turn to stay at home in our son was finishing up. High school applying colleges. And we've we've never both been away at the same time so So i stay and we finished up high school and got him into school and and then corona virus arrived. It's been a big fat long stretch. Since i've been out there. I have not worked on a set now with all the covid protocol and strict. But i hear it's hardcore. Ooh and last but not least you're going to hear from a director and special effects maestro. Pto as he talks all about his work on ailing resurrection and be sure to check out the bonus interview with him where he gives us a scoop. All about cat-woman you've been working in the business for quite a while. I mean well before Alien resurrection you had been doing a lot of stuff. Yeah the victim. Yeah we i started. It'd be seventy so Longtime in seventeen nine hundred seventy six. What got you into the business. I only being dreaming director in some kids. Well what you start with other fee and arts all because of my black and whites live in the basement and and that's what that's what we really started to get to by image of course was was moving on tv. You killers especially carries garrison guys. You have so many here. Is that all stuck a almost a not. Let the bars and we'll have those years. Now is different. The duct tape was easy to shooting them. To give you know to be A geek movie goers so. That's what i was in the meantime. The other fee. But i was not that in like a super way. An of planes were making movie rates. But i thought it was. She always not. That's all i prefer. Excuse for those and then came to work in. Your family was not at all. So i didn't have a way to get in the movie business so i started to photography was photography store sympathizer for anyone day. Another guy who was a friend. Who was she an editor. And then i hope i up to the guy and i thought that you might be more secure director and could be some six house get there. You know what the is a nice stock stock. You have really a a very very past. Gauge vector actress can be directly. There's not one one past it'll be. I don't think he's quite a good one. Because you know you've already able to your everything and you understand how the shield a grandma I said. I told me she. Won't i can have you nuisance apprentice that you are of course write me so and and how i started i so was seventy six and the i was the guy who was working on toward movies so i started as many as we told movie which is which was really. I was eighteen which was quite fun and and uh that time for movies were rented a movie. I mean there's of course were caught. Who movies but they were not today. Like in a very shady thing. I mean you had to have actually been told moods. Difference is in fighting and other fucking. That's because most of the different and so there were serious movies. That was the production and everything so I did that for five stick soon. I made a bunch of movies. And i was lucky enough to go from editing to our system jacksonville and it became so diverse in. Because you know i it was a small crew and so i could be the tried to learn. Every every stepping everywhere is So i've been you know the christian a focus puller kimelman d. I had the opportunity to really experience every every single work position in the movie as well in post production dubbing thing and family thing at that time it was. of course we're con field. So i don from the ground i am really and it was the phone movies if i started in a video industry. Everything is much more. You know Yeah kenya do you have to. I don't have been able to do anything. Irregular seasons issue so lucky without his in setting twenty five The movie where patty's here in a regular theater and then when the when the I detail start that your home video start. That's that's definitely the desk for the movies. People didn't want to go this year. Movie hero if they had the opportunity to what you at home. So that's really killed. The other the shield them industry in theaters and so and so from that on movies were shot and deals and deport achieve really stopped the job and and i get up because you know i i was not you know Into palm wasn't two movies in the movies and look at more. And i quit the streets who go to grow into commercial because you know there will be destroyed within. You know what they saw on the job that was fired in commercials and culprit forties. That's how i you know. I i i moved but then i start to get four because you know i want to feature films and because of my technical background and everything photo then i thought to be interested in vigo deal switching under doing. It's worth revisiting affects. If that's high. I really start to to to to do this. And then that took creative digital. Because then i realized that you know that just era were arriving on in france. I was in the first su In in the video. I mean these just for deal i for movie afterwards and then i started comedy and we both the first machine from contel company would be over that computer code the harry and the very first towers the harry so by twenty eighty five. Th that's fucked. Because know i i was the new guy in town doing okay. People being that people do get stand. I get all the the good directors and the commercial and for like a like a decade our lucky enough to do the best commercial. I try and of course because my was to go back to the shipment is true and then i give it up in a house system them to be able to do digital here as well. So same thing. We'll get the first digital eventually affects up for for film and that time it was a test them from own genera and then that that's supposed to be the beginning for for me to to get back into the movie industry and do specs for the moving. But that's how you know that kelly wins Until alien and then because you know. I was on commercials on the on the movies that i did the effects for that of course and then the city of jerusalem and then gets hired by fox because of of of Shooting for ideon and then socks asked jumped to bring escude. Because there'd be where he did that he or she wins and trucks that they'd bring your guys being. Gp your guy being. I did the how we all them deal. The french but boy than how we learn in los angeles i forty years ago from. I can't imagine you doing digital effects in the early nineties and and in the eighties just it must have been a real challenge to even get the equipment to work into. I mean god. The file sizes must have been huge back then. Oh yeah yeah me too. Okay me say. Because i mean the only shooter at that time drastic. That was very expensive computers. And then you have to. You have to right to own program because you know there's program on the market so i designed the first deal for us. I i've gone to design of the of the self square for composites in for the children. And so we had our own or the departments. You know how to deal the Tourist we needed and i. It's amazing because it'd be time where we have also extra motion control rig for the shooting. I watch we try to do actually was to be the french people. That's what's the goal for us. Of course our like a heating star wars item. And so we wanted to not to cutting about you know it's to inspire that's what they were doing. What and how were working. So and then. That's what that's how we decided. Okay we need to be able to the over. The twin the shooting under postponed. How we invest you know emotion emotion control to be to be able to. I mean to to actually pursue because like. She was dead at that time. It was very eventually and very busy. And you have to almost reinvent the wheel on every shot because you have to try to be the most crazy possible and gave some liberty to the director and but lots of nice because of course you have to make sure that. The vm got shop. So it's it's really very interesting and everything starting to change. When the first tracking south were appear to be able to track without motion control and to be able to not be dealing with off camera and all that. That was very very d- you personally. I did that was on on nick. Bissau's movie internal arch. And shall i give my step three. There's some points with being but to you based on let through the whatever you want to be. Don't have this strange thing. And when he starts his openly about painting and you know that the fact that you know he wants to. He didn't want to be in bulk of cameras. And you want to actually literally the next to go do whatever you want and it could be your soup. You're okay. i think what he was doing. He was doing rehearsing on anything. You know my ticket camera do a hand show. Whatever you want. And i'll to the world send me send me to send me the film and and we didn't week will tweets a painting on the show and rescinded an back to do so. You can really see the quality and that's what we did and Week after that you received so the french who painting on on his show and then he was convinced. Okay that's okay. you can do that. How did i it was you know. I stayed Because of that of of the computer you know taking your auger the thing. That's that's that's a very game changer. And now i mean angry iphone. No whatever you know self and has emotion tracking which was that time. And i'm talking about that. I think he's a ninety seven and eight something. I suppose religion solutions so it was character twenty years ago. I for tracking something that you still eating. That's that's that's the way it is. Tell me about that. 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And you're really like If they felt in the could push us they were bush. And if this fails what you know that the the happy where they have it was. Okay i'm so a mixed up but you know we were always you know both of us. You know how you came to do. The best and bush boundaries to go your star is we can. We can go. That's the other. It was the and so. I defend differences between Alien and and your siblings at home because knocked out on steven my whole and and and and the engineer well clearly they us together. A whole was a designer and an engineer was a director so Do meaning he was on. The statue was looking through talking to the doctors. Were challa was really getting with visual aspect with with the production diner custom designer so they really speak the work like that so it was like to have your amongst We still ahead. But but you always you know what i mean. I i when ones when what what. How do you put something. He'll do was happy as well. So it was like Like a an amazing. 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She made down on. So i'm not my first. Assignments was to do some close ups on on and we see with the bullets and all of us we spend the night and the day after when the look of the shop and this will be higher so italian as the second. So i wasn't what i was. A defensive is though and then. I hadn't taken hats Being the second director. And that's worth to me was such a blessing. Yeah okay. I was happy with that because you know we. We did have been asked to speak because it was. I knew exactly what you wanted. And and so. I've been thought of every every people actually process and and i use it so labeled like heart duckie put up here with like and so i knew i knew how to shoot that. We're shocked so that's that's was is making very comfortable. And then and then i shall to know i wouldn't have but you know pretty much like your own with half of shots million are shows. I saw because you know. I shot all the show without a leading actors. Of course sometimes it was. The redesign weavers tangles. And sometimes you know a ho senior for example this team when the when the queen is giving burst the the award mean. I showed the whole team. There's just a few close up of see gordon. Aiding and so. I went on to shoot but otherwise it's was on the confused on the plane so to me. It was incredible. It's like a blessing because they had the whole thing with people just for me and jackson is something. There's other thing. Because you know. W because i do pino from france and jump here when when seen where where pm reaching the corridor and the an indian on top of the shooting jump yet neto because leads or something but it's when it's convenient for me to him so he told me it was you know up. You know okay do. It doesn't seem like that. I have a director plus all the action stuff and so again my participation and what is not worth the big and. I think that we use splitting your time between doing the directing and doing visual fixes that point or did the effects come after that. No no i was putting my. I'm doing you know everything was done. Because you know every individually. And also i had three three visit affects crew. I have one onset had one Who is doing the show because we have all the. I mean the the spaceship was show and we had too much in weeks with initial. I know how a small june needs to do. What's the better or belief that explosion and blood and themselves. So i was a jew thing. Which is the one you need. That i didn't really deal with ways. That's what miniature. Because they had had my close provide the in henry who was really focusing on the on the show he was he was. I was going back and forth. Sometimes but every country was working fulltime on the miniature. So that's a he's thing but other officials provides the then i was you know in in all the years because the The the the initial shock more motion control. And we you know sometimes ten or fifteen passes for shot. Get older duty. Shot to be blind and smoke. All elements were competiting. Let's On the computer that's was pretty busy isn't every day we shut twelve hours and then after that we had to see anything the davies so Yeah we had. This must have been a challenge to recreate that intricate. The the geagan designs were in a computer. And then also when you're shooting live action stuff. It must have been difficult to shoot that because the creatures are so shiny and always needs to be lit in such a way to to emphasize that kind of insect like husks. That they have that was really the thing with saddam kanji. Ep and he's the which we could breed was you know to lots of Indian lights so every time we shot union so vivienne was covered with slime to make to to to make it through to make the the texture of the innovative very shiny wish. That we say irregular. 'cause it was he's you know in mirror was more like a text do respecting maria with slime you know so we put up slime on the alien so understands was that you had a candidate maybe one hundred fifty needs. Neon lights didn't chew that's anywhere on the so whatever the shooting he will always catching some reflections on some some Some some light on them. That's what she's the he's technique waiting and it's worked up wonderful. It's the way the looked like he was incredible. The baby alien is just remarkable that it can be so horrifying and sympathetic at the same time. the beginning when we put people action. We decided that old the aliens. That's you know that are. We don't see the feats practical and as soon as we see the indian food body then cg because it's impossible to be kicked so that's one of the design of the newborn too clever that the studio finally signed other design. Vein they the process and the shooting. That i just thought that when day funding were okay with the to the design. So that point too late to to To have the vote for the blue skies studio. We're doing the visual effects via the treaty was to for them to model the area and stuff. So there's no way that the the new border was have any digital a double so we had to deal with the with this guy and with traffic and just raise rather than the things or that you have to be jingle and so i don't put their focus there on on expression so Eddie i would you to the creature spending enough time to design their head and to have like a dozens of mothers. Have to be able to put the i tonight. The wrinkles the the mouse the mouse. Everything on each stays that could give you know a ground for discretion who. That's the biggest challenge was to make this creature emotion. I noticed that it was the fact that okay. This is hybrid. It's a mixed in the area and whatever what an alien doesn't show expression so don't go the other way with this guy and to how did guy as expression stocks table to show that the condition where you know you come from this fact Thing to another thing which is much more much more emotional. And actually it's westerly. Played because you really feel that you can sorry for him. All you see all like entity receive something. Were the the just the regular just stuck scared when we look at you. That's what is the big thing with. A new board have expression what were some of the biggest challenges that you had making the movie because it sounds like there are a lot of things that you have to overcome. While you're you're solving these problems. The dixie moist the younger water. That's was the first big chunk of work we started with. And we shot this This before christmas and the results. Yeah we always say okay if we should've seen them and and you can surely there's something that would end up the movie otherwise they will virus after christmas but that was the so media and we think we have to shouldn't steam and then doing christmas wish you wanted to have an i thing of of seeing these newsweek style or anything so something still on the skies and and then the scene was amazing so the to your was very happy and then we We around in fire for the book of the challenge was first to find a place to shoot them. So we we. We stopped to around in town stanks and could do it in the end we can find the has been good for us so fox studio then decided to d.c tank in one of his one off the set to the. That's what you have. then did. They really were worth two gig a tank and do whatever you ashes new study motor and all that stuff to would practical. But that's one of the big challenge and then after that the shooting is because you got to get a project and the and they duty full so die. Use was putting milk in the water so he was dozing bill. To get this americanise of the words that so Into shoots you know. Light to iraq the actors with the under what speakers and the safety stuff. It's something i don't personally. I've never ended up before the mortar and jumps. Yeah so it was really like a two five thousand delays and to understand why some can do what we call with the was possible. But we're gonna constable how to use as people of you want to be saved and and Just want yeah. I guess it was the most challenging part because you know look unknown with the water and and the rest. I didn't think it was a because you know because thing we wanted to keep the maximum to push boundaries and out of out of the box. Well sometimes you know i. It was hard because you know the studio especially when you have a few grew to. They don't want to sing out of the box. I want to be to do the way it has to be done. And so on and and the procedure so sometimes on was pushing the envelope enforcing people looking stuff. And i thought you know couldn't do it and there's one example and dropped. You're always talk about one day as on your says finishing the south and he wanted to justify team to to to to a different versions of the same shot but just to You can leave a higher and do a quick show and then you're the the the the the pretty piece covering up between plans. They got just got to the camera and shoot the puck not twenty five minutes and the is still of course no problem so he called the grapes who bring to being a ladder and the the guy the ladder and then another great came and brought paul. Greek came with always nails in the end. I took half an hour rigged the fucking. You know ladder. Where because i know we always know boss okay. I'm on his moneys and giampiero. Thought you'd be reading clayton guys. I just wanted to shoot fucking thing seconds and then to kathleen our an gian. Piero was still shot. You know this one goodies and now the next you know about half an hour of my next up so And then there and then then wrong. You never tried to keep seeing that a gypsy Thing to be able to be controlled. Okay just doing okay. You just use your world. He's on you. Don't see a you ended up. I couldn't do it to the second. Because you know we had a smarter crew and and that's the purpose to being. Oh you do have The men your main cats so you can do that. Komo or a rock and roll stuff. But i. it's no fucking way that was the lesson a the lesson for all of us. I know that you said jump couldn't really speak english. But he had a translator was their language barrier. Though between you and the people that you're working with or or hammond and the actors no no. That was fantastic. Because you have no. Never i actually. I am the first filling up yet into the studio. he cames. it was really picking on on your in-depth bitter and so he's found his the girl who used to work latino and and you know when you have people talking with a real time a- and so on so he found this girl who was amazing and so she went to. He's first interview with the studio. This this woman and anything when sufa lawler then the studio then Wh what was confided comfortable because they thought the the so that the communication when back and forth in eating but easy so that got the job and mitterrand for during production. It's the same thing i mean. Everything was easy because this woman because she was so Incredibly fast and she could really translate you. Know for a backing force with a few seconds of delay. It was a substantial says. It's like incredible. I and then now communication where where ratings. I think beginnings was complicated. But it's not a matter of communication of culture more so to understand how does appear to understand how it works and the team crew had to understand how the brain went to work. So i trust we had a couple of weeks of innovation so everybody you know both the to you know Start to understand each other and you can work in. You know insane twenty. Yeah i think it took two weeks actually to keep out you know let's cruise speed and everything was was was fine but it was great. It was really more the culture thing. How white is the movie. The kukoc show in france. And and in hollywood because especially niedecker unions junior crew Which is very very friends from a from a big french. Screw where everything is different. No in french we do that. I do was what she was recalled eating french our when you start shooting at noon until seven thirty pm so that's an with no bridge. That's how shoot. But then we are so the thing is that The crew you don't set a ten in the morning so yeah one hour track then. I never knew good lunch. And then you start to work and of course during lunch french wine. We have wine at lunch. And we smoke on pets with reconciling. It said another concert. It's really everybody's jokes and you know again everybody. You know Square so it's it's a very very good off but you know it's it's a real especially shops here because had his own family he he always kept the same crew from what movie commercials or music video so he. It's he's stumbled so so you have. Do you have your soul cats when when when you deal with your family when you work. But she here in la of course you has to disclose body. Let's not not clean so. Of course we had the. We had the same connection and within know speed of action. But we had to deal with your the. I want to the wage but the how the american crew the americans zero and the decision on the clear ones and the contingency are now holiday. The practice works so but the crew was amazing. The crew was really wanted to To please on to adopt Themselves along the best they could to work us so each wants to me like i said the first two weeks with the accords Two dogs Sneaking their butts by but then afterwards many commission on the remember like on the movie the last shop. Everybody's crime you know. Why did you say to watch the last shot of. That's the last. You feel the goosebumps than you know you cry. Because it's the end of the story and It's just enough of that. So we tied managing relationship with both sides. You know No because we sell anything studio there. There's no one shots outside. We had three sweet four studios at at On the talk scott. I did it us. And the full the source that's close next to each other and we were moving from one sets with other ones who was prepping. One was shooting and one was a striking though. Wisconsin work within the three main sites on the fullest. One was visited shop is green screen a so so it was. We had our little village. I'm relieved for only six months. That saw it wasn't that long hours But intention a good good all right. We are back and we're talking about alien resurrection and by the way just so you know. That was the first half of the interview with p. Tough the second half will be available as a separate special. Be sure to check it out because if you are as fascinated with the cat woman debacle as i am. You're going to definitely love hearing utah off. Just give us all the t. Four pete's of poor one of my favorite parts and the commentary is when in resurrection is when they're talking about the brandy in that little cube and then you know the guy uses the laser to to melt it. This is one of my favorites. Because it's very very fucking stupider. I do have to ask why they would print transport little cube of jelly as opposed to container of could kind of a fun thing to do. But it's just like the other guys. I don't know how you would transport brandy that way but okay. This is the future. Apparently they're supposed to have another insect in the movie. And there's going to be a mosquito bites ripley and explodes because of the acid blood it but they figured out how much it would cost to do that effect and they said gabbert gotten or. I'm not gonna do that. But they kept in the part where john shoots the spider after right after every everything else. He's wonder how that spider ended up on their apparently supposed to be deathly afraid of insects. Like that was one of the things that was in the novelization. That didn't ever come through anyplace else but when he sees that spider i was like. Oh that's like the last remnant of that. Apparently i have to tell the story. And i think i told you this story. Mike i have to tell you. The story of michael wind cut. Because i tried to get in every with michael big fan. Michael uncut love. Michael cut the crow counter monte cristo. Anything that he's in. I love his performance robinhood thieves so email his person and his person writes back and says hi mr white as you might be aware mr wind. Kat is not inclined to give interviews regarding the movie you mentioned which is alien resurrection. I can only assure you that. He believes any of the alien. Derivatives ridley's original are inferior. Best edith grove. Botany hill productions owls. Yeah so i wrote back. And i said okay. That's cool one of these days. I would love to talk to him about something. Maybe he did enjoy doing and so she writes back just writes back and says some enjoyable things to talk about seven beauties on mcchord the loneliness of the long distance runner death in venice last tango in paris silent. Light taxi driver dog to the conformist. Let cleese love the hustler. Irreversible networks city. Light's greed mulholland drive limit. Pre day of the locust. They shoot horses. Don't they bicycle thieves eight and a half the mirror. Thanks for your admiration. It's like was he in those films. No wasn't this siro back. Those are all great movies and we had a blast. Mulholland drive in. They shoot horses. Don't they and included the episodes and then she writes back again just out of curiosity. Why if that caliber film engages you. Would you presume mr winkle might be at all enthused about vastly inferior back more than anything. I just want an excuse to talk to him about his career. I've always enjoyed everything that he's done in any role that he's been in no matter how large or small and that's the last email i ever got so strange. What the fuck man. I mean mr wind cod. If you're out there and you wanna come on talk about the loneliness of the long distance runner. I'm here for ya. I got a co host chair sitting right here. That would be awesome If you never actually get an interview with him but he just becomes re occurring guests on the show. It's like hey mike wing back. Can you imagine the ham and tom waits having a conversation. I have many times. Just as i've i've imagined a movie where tom waits. And ron perlman play assassin ross. Yes exactly. I would like up speaking of frankenstein. I would like tom waits to beat dr frankenstein ron perlman to be the monster. I have created you in my own image. That kurt russell and jeff bridges why they have never worked together. I know got what they be in a sci fi movie or a cowboy. I kind of like this idea of. Just you know where you have Duos of assassins trying to kill each other and they're all brother or sister teams and it's just actors that vaguely look like each other. Oh i got it. Why not will. Smith and a clone of while smith you go. It's like if you were a mashup up it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world and battle royale. That's basically what. I'm going for here after alien resurrection. We didn't get another ripley alien film. That was what ninety seven and then in two thousand four we find the got alien versus predator. And i get a lotta shit for it. But i fucking love alien vs predator. It's interesting because she talks on the commentary one of the reasons. She signed on to alien resurrection. I think was to try to prevent alien. I was not a fan of adp when it first came out. But over the years. I've come around to it more and it's it's just a big dumb fun movie alien versus predator the first one to me. Is the kids movie that all these toys were were building words from the. This is the movie that made sense to have toys associated with. Here's my scar action. Figure beast versus hunter aliens versus predator with awesome new predators clan leader attacks with whipping dreadlocks and stalker glowing in the dark. Fires speier's suddenly creeping up his attacks the wild boar alien and the ferocious mothering monstrous high trash. Then covers any who will survive. Aliens versus predator queen high-priced with other alien me and figuring news other figures sold separately there was an inevitability to the whole thing right like as soon as that alien had was the end or was in predator two. It was like okay. This is going to have to happen some day. Exactly oh in. The comic books were fantastic. I love the comic books of vs predator again. I don't think that those were ripley. Comic books i think there are separate colony. And it's like okay. This is cool. Know it's not on earth even it's just here. This stuff is taking place if they kept a little bit more with that. I don't think that that movie would have gotten as much shit as did. It's not the high watermark paul w s anderson career. Obviously that's event horizon but it's up there it is towards the top. It's one of his more inspired movies. It just like you're saying it's perfectly perfectly fun and enjoyable. But i go back to like like i said in terms of my reaction to alien resurrection in my reaction to the first alien versus predator is definitely also informed by the second one will. Yeah there is that an for for the longest time. I was actually going to bat for requiem because it did a lot of things that i enjoyed one of my major complaints about the first one is that it was a pg thirteen film that for coming from two very hard franchises particularly predator the fact that they had been reduced pg thirteen. It didn't sit with me right so requiem went into it and it went into. It's hard hard enough to slaughter entire a neonatal ward hard. that was. This movie went really really hard rewatching. Now though it's it's the one that the worst for me just with the the the blandness of the characters and the subplots that really had nothing to the movie. I mean honestly you could you could. You could cut it down to a good forty minutes and maybe actually color corrected properly so you can see what the hell is going on in some of the sequences and you'd have a good movie but Yeah in the last like ten minutes of that movie. Because i remember when i saw it together we together. Yeah and i remember the last ten minutes suddenly like sitting up my seat. Because when i don't even remember the name any of the interesting but when when the one when the one girl goes running through the cheerleader i think and suddenly just get dispatched by by the predators slave. What which which i can't i don't know the correct term for and it was so quick and so unexpected. I'm like it just made me sit right up in the theater. Like oh wait. We're cooking with gas now and then ten minutes later the movies over site and then again. It's an it ends in such a way. I think i'm remembering the right one here. This is the one where they nuke the town at the end right. Yeah they pulled them from space. It's the only way to be shirt. That's the only way to be sure and again. That's one of those things so you had to blow up the town because you're trying to respect continuity that you spent the whole movie ruining so that in the ad like no no no it's fine. No one's going to remember that this happened within we're gonna throw in this waylon utah any reference so that everybody can get all excited and it's like four. What right now felt very strongly that they go in hard for the the ira but it's all just in my opinion it was all just again like mismanaged. It's one of those things. Have we know that you were happy. You know the general. I wasn't happy with a pg thirteen so. We're not gonna do that this time. We're not gonna do any of it really right though. We're just going to throw in gore where it would make sense. You know where we think it would make sense. But it doesn't really work in terms of the story and again. This was another one of those this one. I think more than any of the others. where's i like. How does the acid work and went if there's not much in the way of consistency with that now very very frustrated one if memory serves this of his the prevailing so we have the aliens vs of cross with it. And i remember sitting in the theater with you and i was quoting. I think aliens the most but just saying all these lines because they were basically aping as this felt it felt like a multimillion dollar fan film is what it felt like your point if they cut it down to like forty forty minutes throw it on youtube. People would be losing their shit over it like. Oh my god look this. Awesome thing that these two brothers made that Live out wherever but as a theatrical release. No thank you win win win. The red band trailer came out. It was like okay. Maybe this is it you get two and a half minutes of highlights and it really does speak to what you're saying like ok that two and a half minutes. I'm on board for this. You see the full movie. It's like okay. And then i think mike you and i have been having basically a continuing conversation every day. Since when was it twenty twelve when we permit theus came out. I mean this movie has given us more fodder than any other movie to talk about ira. In august of that year. I was at work and we were talking about the summer movies and you know that was the year the avengers came out. And and i said and everybody's like well that was that's that's going to be the big movie of the year. You know that's the you know that. Nothing's bigger than that in my gear. All wrong and this was already after it come from is the biggest movie of the year. Do you want to know why it's the biggest movie a year because we can't stop talking about an i know i can't stop talking about it and neither could any of the people i was talking with where we we can't let this movie goal for some reason and nine years later we talk about it. I can see it from here. I've got haven't framed yet. But i've got the poster. I watched a fan of it today. That i downloaded probably twenty fourteen. And i finally brought myself to watch this fan at it today. It's the first time that i've watched it. Since i saw the accurately because i hated it so much and the fan edit does a couple of interesting things that i think at the movie should have done one of which was to actually show as guy pearce without all the makeup on because otherwise. Why don't you just cast someone who's nine hundred years old rather than having guy pearce under all of this horrible looking old age. I mean these days they would probably have somebody who's eighty ninety years old and then d. age them out. There's your jeff bridges right. They're young jeff bridges at his ted talk but having that ted talk at the beginning of the film made so much sense and what he's bringing up brings up t e lawrence. He brings up the idea of premiered theus stealing fire from the gods. Just all of the stuff that actually brings the whole movie together. And i'm like what the fuck we doing cutting that out. This is actually. This is the movie. This is your central thesis right here. I think there is ample evidence to suggest that ridley scott what he removes in most of the time when you see a director's cut for the movie. It's it's not necessarily that much but at least in my experience. It's not that much better than the theatrical cut right like the director scott usually more it's into self-indulgence and stuff like that but when i watched the deleted scenes from scott movies lately if you'll be very much like you should left all that in and you shoulda cut out a lot of the stuff that you mean hell when he went back and did another cut of alien the fact that it ended up being shorter than the theatrical cut even i was watching deleted scenes from the original alien that somebody loaded onto youtube. And i'm watching them. Like i think most of these probably should've just stayed in even his own reaction to what is it the the blade runner sequel. He's like he's like yeah. It was good but you know it was too long. I never would have let it be that long. I'm like yeah i know. Yeah that's a problem there. You would have just whittled it right down to nothing. I always say that british got his own worst enemy with the way that he insists on correcting blade runner. But i mean he seems to me have lost the thread so much before prometheus and permit theus was just like what are you doing. You're leading this child. Play with a gun. It was just traumatic that movie just it was just like what are you doing these. I mean they followed protocols. Better in nineteen seventy nine than they did in two thousand twelve. I mean as soon as they took off their helmets. I was like okay. That's at this movie's over. You know what's funny about that though. Because i was talking with a friend of about that after after we watched Alien covenant that happens in that one too and it's like an. It's like it's like you know. I'm trying to remember for myself as like a kid. You go into an adult. I never had a problem. I guess you don't you don't think about it. You just assume the technology was better and they talk about. They would beamed onto a planet in star trek all the time and never wear helmets. They were m class planets third visiting though too late but at this time like yeah i guess i guess i can. I guess i can buy. I think i'm just so angry with this franchise now that i'm just ready to make now. That was dumb to punch of the two extensible. Experts the geologists who gets in a cave system and the animal behaviorists or the zeno biologist who clearly cannot recognize a threat display. it literally. Looks like a fucking cobra and he wants to touch it in the script. That part is it's still stupid but it's handled a little bit better like he doesn't. They don't have him get down there and say like hey. Hey hey sweetie like that. So it's like okay. It's still stupid that they're getting high out in space but but at least it's not as as ridiculous as i'm gonna basically just throw myself into the things jaws. Well that's the thing when you watch for me theisen you look at the various script and what got in and what's come out and a lot more revelations behind the scenes have come out on that it started from a really good point and there was a lot of very interesting stuff so of which i think made it into the film. It's just we ended up with the worst version of that story. It feels to me like it's going back to that same place of okay really scott latched onto these three. Things are these themes that he liked and everything like he doesn't care about this monster at all. You even hear it. When he talks about it he was just like. I thought the monster was done but apparently it's got more in it and that's why it's gonna come back and alien covenants like you don't understand what it is you're messing with. That is fundamentally why. I don't want any more ridley. Scott alien films. Even though his from him making science fiction films. And i still need to catch up with that. Raised by wolf series. Did for hbo. But i i'd like him as a science fiction storyteller but again the alien universe is bigger than him and the fact that he has been rightfully wrongly given the keys to the kingdom again to just kinda blithely steamroll over everything. That's where it gets irritating to me. I mean even that even fell down into the fact were they. They just decided to start carving off the different continuities. The fact that ed from fox's perspective a all the alien films of their own continuity all the predators of their own continuity in alien versus predator is its own continuity onto itself. It's like they ignore all the other things in his fans that were kind of invested in it. It kind of feels like a slap. You know it's lessening it. It's making it into one person's thing instead of letting it become one person thing instead of what it should be and again the way that covenant ended where it really did feel like they were setting up a David to be the father of the alien species that he no. He was the one who came up with aliens in general. And he's going to be the one that's responsible. For the derelict the crudeness romo found. That doesn't even work just in the context of the films because they literally said that this this this alien had been there so long it had become foss. Had been fossilized and there's only there's only a span of like twenty years between covenant and the first alien film. How does that work. They're going to go with the easiest trick in the world. It's all going to be time. Hopefully they're not going to go with anything. That's one nice thing about disney now owning a twentieth century. Fox is. I have a feeling they're gonna clean. Break it if what they did announce that what is it. No holly is doing the tv show now and so for me and like okay. Okay you know what if you find a way to get sigourney weaver to show up for like five minutes an episode of that. I'm on board with that. But but but if it is going to be a no hollies a he's an interesting and he definitely can take a franchise. Take something that that you wouldn't think could be turned into a tv show and turn it into a tv show but it is that that thing of just let this let somebody else let somebody else have this thing because look i understand that really scott feels like he should own it but we've already seen what happens when when somebody else takes it away from you. That was aliens and it was and that was great. Yeah it was really weird. Because when they announced that he was doing it people latched onto like all of the bad things that he had done and was just like okay. guys. He's actually really good. Have you never seen fargo like that. The he also did a great job like bonds and and a lot of other things they just latched onto like. I dunno lucy in the sky or something like this guy is the one thing that and and i think legion was just not what a steep marvel. Movie crowd wanted out of out of that thing. But that didn't make it any less interesting but it was just again. It's like well. This isn't falling into that category. And and and. And i also you know. I can't necessarily begrudge somebody though for being nervous about it because it could very much be well. This isn't going to be about a this. isn't going to be about aliens. It's just going to be about the formation of wha- waylon you tiny or something like that it's like it's just wait and see what we get exactly. And that's that's the position i i. We can't know until it comes out. I hope it's going to be good. Because i'm a fan of this franchise. i'm a fan of the concept of alien. And i once more of it. I want people to play in this world saying that. I still want to say the Right now i have the opposite feeling when when it's when it's like no no really scotch it's still doing. He's had two times so far to try to get this right. He's had his time. We're done we're done. We're done now we're done. Your series reached its apex with the fingering. We can leave it at that. And it's not that. I don't want really scott to make movies. I wanted to keep making movies forever. But i know what he's gonna do here. Let's see what else he's why don't you just. Why don't you turn black rain into a franchise. Let's go with that. You know watch that. I was very curious about the blunt. Camp stuff though. He really hasn't given me any reason to trust him on anything. Either i mean i district nine was fantastic but then you got fucking chappie. Fan of elise eum chappie. Yeah was kind of a set this step down. I still hope that at some point even though the chance of him. Making a movie is pretty slim. I would still like to get some kind of release of what his idea was whether it be a comic book format or just give us the script put out. A book of this was what i was planning on doing. In in forty years will get stephen scarlata. And i can't remember the director's name and they'll come in and they'll do the Do but it'll be alien a- and all of these people went on to work on national howley. tv show. While i was really expecting that we're gonna go to comic book route. 'cause darkhorse before they've recently lost the license for alien predator book adaptation of gibson's alien three. And they'd just finished releasing a complication of abandons Alien script and they were going to do a original script version of predator but that cans when the marvel took license to for the comic books. And now you promotional pieces of Of zeno more standing there. With what star lord's walkman foreground All right i mean it'll be fine but it's in fairness they did say that they're not planning on crossing over so they're just doing that as promotional stuff is like. Hey marvel has it. so we're going. We're going to do these things so we'll see how that goes. I mean again. So much of my early buyin. To either the alien franchise of the predator franchise. It came from the comic books. So if you publish alien predator comic book. I'm gonna be reading your alien predator comic book. Those alien and predator comic books were so good in a of them not all of them but a lot of them were as good if not better than some of the got. There's freedom there in the sense of like even going back to alien resurrection right. Where and i know they had multiple endings. But but you know the the ending in the script i read was not what i would save necessarily better than the ending of the final film. But you know why they didn't do it because it was going to cost a ridiculous amount of money but then when you do these comics it's just like the sky is literally the limit like it's in that freedom is great while i wanna think my co host mike and l. Goro being on the show. So mike what is going on with you sir. I'm just trying to get by. That makes sense. I think i'm succeeding but you know who knows. I do see another viewing prometheus. Though my future. I went all the way up to permit theus and rewatch the today that fan at it but i couldn't bring myself to watch and covenant. I just couldn't do it. I had the special edition. Dvd of covenant. And i'll watch it again. Freebies guy to make another one of these. Watch that too and al gore. What's going on with you still continuing on with the with rhythm podcast Depending on when this episode is dropping will probably still be in the middle of what i call my patriot. 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Episode 11: Inside the Amy Robach leak

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Episode 11: Inside the Amy Robach leak

"Today on we hear Kiana reeves new girlfriend gives the Internet a reason to love him even more amy robots responsible for the latest dose of Morning Show drama and Ron Perlman's been caught kissing co-star. So he's getting a divorce coming up next on we hear. Oh my God paychecks force. I slashed tapes six whatever field. They pay their Maggie Cog. Let me me and more and welcome new here. The page six podcast. We hear all the celebrity dirt from our exclusive sources. And you hear the story behind the story and it looked like you had had an amazing nightline is named Maggie. I'm actually very tired at went out really late. Last Saint Maggie because I was at the W S J magazine Scene Two Thousand Nineteen innovator awards wow what a title worked with a lot of words. I don't know why they have twenty nineteen because you sort of know wouldn't be the twenty any seventeen or whatever. It was actually really cool. They had a lot of there was a lot there. Actually I think I wrote like five items already today today about it. So who is there. I saw Kim Kardashian. Yes did you see Kim Kardashian was wearing chaps. No yeah she's wearing like a corset and chaps made by Ricardo TV Jerry Seinfeld presented awards to Eddie Murphy. Who flew in from the set of his upcoming film film that I know you're really looking forward to coming to America to? Oh I am used coming to America and then not a joke right back on Jerry Seinfeld recalled how he Ian Eddie Murphy actually. They started their comedy careers the same week at this same comedy club in the same year in nineteen seventy six suicide him out like what. It's like to be at least start your comedy career at the same time as Eddie Murphy which is pretty fun. Yeah that's amazing. Yeah it was cool but it was really cool and actually it was weird because the the awards was at at the At moma the Museum of Modern Art in New York and it was interesting. Because like Conde I have to say like Connie really helped the whole vibe of the whole thing because during the awards which is like a pretty prestigious thing he was just like like wandering around during the word show in like talking to people and it just created like a pretty cool vibe but he wanted to meet all the innovators getting all innovative How did you like the new Moma I I I actually it was? I was psyched. I really was into the new moma because it was you know. Mostly this makes me sound like a shallow horrible person which I am but I I mostly just go to Moma for events. Is there for like parties. And you know I'm not really going there for the are unfortunately not much but every time that you've gone there for the past however long it's been it was under construction so you had to go through this like Weirdo entrance and it was like the It just messed up the whole thing but now it looks amazing. I really liked like did a lot better. It was much cooler so I was super into it Nice. Yeah I wanted to see the art but I ended up on the phone with one of our colleagues Because we we're breaking some more news on the Amy Rohbock story which will be talking about so. I was on the phone like wandering around in the museum while everyone else was enjoying the art. But I'm doing Matt Maggie for our listeners and for our readers. You're an artist missing. Anything is like a twenty four hour job all right. Now let's go into our I story. Keanu reeves has got a girlfriend I repeat Kiana reeves has got a girlfriend Internet boyfriend. Kiani made quite the splash this week. When he he attended the lack? Ma Art and film Gal aside. Alexandra grant a forty six year. Old Visual artist the longtime friends at the red carpet together holding hands and even post closely for photos otas. It's been decades since Kiani was stepped out with a woman who is Alexandra. Grab I you know. It's funny like so. I feel like I was ahead of the curve on this yet. Another thing Maggie that I'm way ahead of the curve on so in the newsroom. The other night when after everyone was talking about this photo of Keanu Reeves. That's right. What event was he at with our film gala in La the Lacrima art and film gala? Another museum that I go to parties at really good parties and don't see some art i. Ah I so we're in the newsroom. And everyone started freaking out. The buzz was spreading in our sort of paid six area and everyone was high out. Like Oh my God. That's kion new reeves girlfriend. Yeah so I'm like I was a little behind I was working on something else and I was like okay. I need to like look this up. So I I google Keanu reeves girlfriend and put it in and then all these images and all the photos come up and I was like this is so weird all. I'm seeing pictures. Kasana Reeves and Helen. Mirren I'm like this is so annoying. Like what a nice and I thought. Oh maybe the reason out there like that widely like maybe people. We're working on it so it just it hasn't registered and I'm like this is Helen Mirren. Helen Mirren Helen Mirren. Helen Mirren and then I was like Oh my God. That isn't Helen Mirren that his his girlfriend's friends but it took me like a wild figure out that that wasn't Helen. Mirren Yeah and you were one of many people who thought that because there were tons of stuff on twitter and social media being like this career stating Helen Mirren and she talked to entertainment tonight and she said that was very flattering to me. Helen Mirren Talk Allen Mira and and she said because she's obviously lovely so their longtime friends which I love because you know Keanu Reeves. We don't know too much about his love life. That's true true and the more that I read about the the romance and the more we've learned about this woman. It's like incredibly sweet actually because they have a book imprint together and basically the did you. The way that they met is that he He had written some like sappy happy poetry. Basically I guess is like a joke. Initially that he showed a mutual friend of theirs and then she gave his now girlfriend the the poems and she created a book like she put them to illustrations and she created a book of the poems them to him as a gift right certain so in two thousand eleven they collaborated on his book Ode to Happiness and then in two thousand sixteen they released a book called shadows. But what's really interesting is is a lot of the response of this is that people are like. Oh my God he on his dating someone age appropriate which I cannot believe is a novel concept at Hollywood it but it is. He still nine years older than her. He's fifty five to her forty six today. The New York Times published a story that was like kiato reeves girlfriend girlfriend seems to be aging gracefully. So I should to like there's literally an op Ed in the New York Times because this woman stepped out with Kiana Reeves. This woman is giving older women. Permission the age gracefully which. I'm like Damn Hollywood. This is shallow has helped like there's tons of beautiful women over forty right taught to Maggie. Well it is weird because it's like you know usually we're writing about older men and younger women and it's kind of such a cliche. Leonardo di Caprio. Oh Syndrome so it is. It is nice that he's going out with somebody age appropriate even though she is younger is still nine years right although oh she looks older than which I'm not really allowed to say because she's aged gracefully. She gracefully thank. You can have a lot older than gray hair Erin look good. Helen Mirren is much older than she is. So here's the thing. I sat next to Helen Mirren This is admittedly like a few years ago but it was at an at an invented the old list cirque and I have to admit and now I'm realizing this might make me sound like a total creep is weighed but right. Helen Mirren is smoking. No that makes you sound like very like sensual the whole woman. I'm not kidding. I was very very taken with her. I mean isn't very remember. Wait okay now I have to ask you the question that I that I was born to ask you. Oh God in a situation relation where you can only spend time with one of these two people on a desert island. These people are one. I've got on a red carpet Dame Helen Mirren or to you. Lisa vendor pump other Brit crush. God that's such a thing I thought you were GonNa say Dame Edna because Azizul Damon there is a day. I don't I don't know that's that's a very God. That's a tough call INS type. British uh-huh Aristocratic or risk. Dame's he's looking for data. That is true but she seems cool as hell visual artist Li. We like there have been hints right that they've been together although people haven't really picked up on them until now so for example like they have this press together or call X. Artist's books which they launched in two thousand seventeen and then they were. They did a photo shoot together for Vogue Spain. Oh I know your subscription lapsed you kinda might have missed that one and then there was another shot of them lovingly gazing into each other's eyes but but now they're on the red carpet together eight in this shot they're holding hands and by the way I love. This is like the age of innocence. It's like interpreting like the the the batting an eyelash lovingly and so much. Can you get any other way gay young as I can't as I did. Helen Mirren Cirque as you did little your heart's fluttering between is the thing is that Yes so so so then they were holding hands on this red carpet. But it's still not confirmed Maggie despite the gazing the holding the publishing that they are our A couple we don't know we don't know if it's unconfirmed so we're going to have to read into it by the away when she made that book for him which they ended up releasing because she made it for him privately she This is a very intellectual romance. There was reported that Keanu Reeves had written some fake self. Pity poetry that he gave to a friend of his. And the friend gave leave the poems to Alexandra the alleged love interest and basically without Kiana reeves knowledge. She created the image is is to his self pitying poetry and put them into a book and then she presented Reeves with the book hidden inside the pages of a large green nineteen. Seventy s travel book called the British scene and she has said it was a surprise in a private gift. We didn't make the book to publish it. It was meant to put put a big smile on our faces and make everyone laugh. Then someone said I want five copies. And that's when the light bulb went on and then they have their own so this woman's like amazing she's creative creative she's cool she's interesting and cheese. The poor man's Helen Mirren. Oh my God it's four play for wealthy people. Just be like Bay by Polish Research Sir of books. Oh yeah totally Maggie. You look really tired. Nagy I feel really tired. I think I feel more tired than even. Look I got a terrible night's sleep last night and the night before. Have you heard about purple mattresses. No is that a brand of magic or you mean just purple mattresses color hits a brand of mattresses so the purple mattress will probably feel different than anything you've ever experienced because this brand uses technology that was created by rocket scientists. Wild is love. That's great I want everything I used to be created by rockets right. It's not like memory memory foam and the material feels really unique. 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ABC News recently recently found itself in hot water. Good Morning America reporter. Amy Robak was caught on a hot mike claiming network fast scrapped her interview with Jeffrey Epstein Accuser Years Ago Geico this footage of robot was leaked online. Once the audio was released robot quickly issued a statement saying that she was caught in a moment of private frustration. She added that while she was disappointed. That our interview which was taped in two thousand fifteen did not run as it fell to meet. ABC's reporting standards. She had never been told to stop reporting warning on the Epstein Scandal. So let's talk about Amy Robak. Who is she? So she's a she's on twenty twenty and cheese on GM She's married to Andrew you shoot Might Recall Yup and basically what happened is our sources. Tell us that this video in which she was recorded it basically behind the scenes when she didn't think she was on camera right and she was saying that she had this interview with this Jeffrey Epstein Accuser who who alleges that she had sex with Prince Andrew and Prince Andrew has denied and Amy Roebuck was heard in this tape basically saying saying that. ABC had spiked her interview with this woman. Because they didn't want to ruffle the feathers of the Royal Family Right right and I think it's important to point out that her accusations are that she was underage right. That aren't just that she slept with Prince. Andrew is that she was. She says that she was this. Jeffrey Epstein sex-slave And that he basically like loaned her out or whatever. Her terminology is to I'm Prince Andrew. Who slept with her while she was underage which he denies some of the circumstances under which this recording was made so the recording wording was was made back in July and we hear that it was recorded in an ABC studio in Times Square which is not their usual the usual new studio basically? It's a small studio that is mostly used for recording promos So there were very few people and the recording so ABC's been trying to figure out who the leaker is of this tape so Maggie. The story is getting even crazier because after we reported exclusively that ABC had alerted CB asked that the person who had access to this tape was was now working there. The woman has come forward and brought another broadcaster into it Megan Kelly. What's Megan Kelly's in the mix? Megan Kelly is now in the mix everybody but NBC ABC CBS Former Fox and NBC. Anchor Occur Megan Kelly so we had reported. Actually that Megan Kelly was planning her TV comeback. But it wasn't going to be on TV. Actually it was going to be online and she was going to launch. It's like kind of her own youtube channel or sailing that and she's now use this story in order to do that. Basically right so she has an exclusive interview view that she put on Instagram With this woman. Who's the alleged leaker? Her name is Ashley Bianco. She's twenty five years old and she flat out says that she did not leak the tape She said that what happened was her job was to Sort of as a as a producer and kind of editor type and that when Amy Roebuck was on this hot mike she'd been recording promos. Apparently and the the footage was being aired. The behind the scenes footage on this hot mike was still being aired it to all the affiliates and two different you know. ABC Control Rooms and so she saying that she had just clipped it. That basically her job was to kind of clippings that she would make like Kinda behind the scenes. Funny goofy wheels like a blooper. Reel yeah like analogy. Oh yes off camera so I guess part of her job was that if she saw something funny happening in between the PROMOS or the takes she would she would mark them and clip them but she says she basically clipped this segment that she was shocked. By what Amy Robot was saying and that everyone was talking about it and she says she she clipped it but then she never accessed it again she never sent it to anybody she never did anything with it. And when and Megan Kelly asked her well. Why did you clip it? She said that she just did it. For office gossip But then she also was tearfully carefully saying in this interview that she had only been working at. CBS for four days when this whole thing went down when ABC contacted them to identify identify her and then she got fired by CBS and she basically was saying. I didn't do anything wrong. I just want my job back and she was tearfully in you know almost in tears saying to Megan Kelly like my career is over. I'm Never GonNa get another job and then Megan Kelly reassures her that she will get another job. Maybe she needs staff for this show. She's like I'm giving you a job. I actually don't have an assistant right now. Can you get me a Cappuccino. Yeah I I mean. I think it's interesting to point out. That in the Audio Robak says that the reason her interview was killed was because they were desperate to interview. View Prince William and Kate Middleton and that they basically killed her story or allegedly killed her story so that they could get access to the royals else right and we've at were previously reported that ABC News Had James Goldstein. I've been photographed at at a table with Donald trump during a UK. Visit recently and that there were also members of the royal family there with him as well so people people were thinking. Oh you know. Is he tight with the royal family but basically ABC is ABC is denying this And they've said that you know. They said the reason robotics report report didn't air was because it didn't live up to their standards didn't live up up to their journalistic standards. They couldn't air it and they're saying that basically they would've loved to air a story like that but it just it wasn't arable pass the test basically what Roebuck was heard saying on the air when she thought she wasn't being recorded was I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts Birt's we would not put it on the air. Then she said first of all I was told WHO's Jeffrey Epstein then the palace found out we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew. You in threatened us in a million different ways. We were so afraid. We wouldn't be able to interview Kate and will so. I think that had also quashed the story. She also says that Virginia told me everything she was in hiding for twelve years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. It's a pretty damning thing I mean. It's pretty strongly strongly worded but we heard that. ABC Brass was obviously unhappy about this and then They they had her come out and put out a statement Sort of walking back her her comments which you know she our made privately but then also they've put but Their top producer of investigations. He did an interview with NPR and he basically told them like hey. This isn't true we would've loved to air this story but we just couldn't we didn't have we didn't have the the reporting in place to air it. What a week Amy Rebecca's has having because she and her husband her aforementioned husband enter? She ran the New York City marathon on Sunday and they had pretty good times. She finished in four hours. Sixteen eight minutes and twenty nine seconds. He was a second after her and I cannot imagine the exhaustion from the marathon even training for like some sixteen eighteen weeks. And then you have that one. Great Day you complete this thing. And then this bombshell drops there's audio of you speaking speaking about something that happened in Twenty fifteen audio from July. It's like Oh my God totally also Maggie just from what you just said and then also from what I saw an instagram. Did everyone except me run the marathon. Did you run in the marathon. I ran it last year. I didn't run up this year. I got pizza but another thing. That's interesting about this story is that so when. ABC was trying to figure out who the leaker of this Amy Robot Clip was. They were kind of weighing all your options and we heard that one of those could be like. They're trying to figure out if there'd be l'aigle any legal Avenues they could take but they were saying that since the Stafford in work there anymore it actually would be harder refer them to take action because if the person like the legal part I dunno but then the if the person so were to ABC. Obviously it's a fireable offence pence. What's interesting is that if this person that was fired from? CBS It is the same person. that one network DOC would alert another network to like. Hey this person is on your staff and then that the other network that the rival. CBS would get far enough to to fire. Fire Them So. I think there's a lot more that happened behind the scenes there which I'm sure we're gonNA find out Maggie. Yeah because we're a paid six right right this holiday stress. Keep you up at night. I mean you get into bed at the end of a long day and it's like what side dish I'm going to bring to friendsgiving. Do I have to get on a waiting list for the Super Bowl gift that my sister wants which is a real thing I'm dealing with currently well. It's time to put an end to those racing thoughts and head into the holidays as well rested as possible. Calm the number half for sleeping relaxation can help you with that. 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The News of the longtime couples demise come six months after after Ron was spotted kissing his startup co star Alison Dunbar. What is going on here so I do want to say for the record for the people out there who don't follow like the hell boy franchises and as I do and you know followed very closely that Ron Perlman is not Ronaldo Perlman Right Revlon billionaire in air right? This is Ron Perlman. The hell boy actor. Yeah I believe he's also on sons of anarchy for a long time anarchy. He looks a little bit like he could be related to Tom Waits. This story is getting a ton of web traffic and people are really interested in it that I don't think we knew much about his love life. So it's Kinda interesting thing that he's leading such a steamy love life. We talked about his various projects but he's also on this show started ended up And he filed for divorce from his wife five months after he was spotted kissing his startup co star Alison Dunbar Inbar Right. Yeah and he apparently had separated from his wife five days before those. Those photos were revealed So safe to say there are estranged. It's safe to say they're a strange exactly and the other thing. That's really odd about this man years that we we've had a string. This now fits into a category of story that we have. You could make a tag for this. Which is old people will kissing outside weird L. A. Spots? Like if you were worried about being uncaught kissing. Wouldn't you take indoors aren't there. Isn't this one. Venetian blinds are for even. If I wasn't worried at all like like I don't know if I'd be outside like it's so ridiculous. Outdoor kissing is also like our deejay night and tonight outdoor kissing. Dj thank you but the So he had been spotted kissing his co star right outside the Alexander under Steak House in Pasadena California some respect for yourself these photos to there. I'M NOT GONNA I. I'm a Paparazzi. I'm not GONNA follow around. You Know Leo and Brad Tonight I'M GONNA go follow Ron Perlman at the Alexander Steak House in Pasadena Dina. Maybe this paper auto is just like I was on the move for a steak and my camera and by the way as an aside Maggie. I want a pop ARADO Ratto. Is We keep saying once. told me that. When they're on like a like a stakeout or they're like waiting for somebody outside of a place trying to get a photo and like tourists tests were like just random people pass by there like Oh like who are you waiting for the code? I think that what I've heard. They all always tell them. Is Tony Danza really. Because they know that no one's going to wait around for Tony Danza. And it's like they're not waiting for Tony Danza. They're waiting for Timoteo shallow. Mayor Justin Bieber are in Hailey Baldwin Wade so this they just say Oh yeah Tony Danza. And then the tourists are like a whatever and they leave. Alexander Steakhouse isn't described on the Internet as is a posh spot fusing steakhouse classics with Japanese cuisine with a signature. Cotton Candy Desert. What make you why I can't any Honda meets the old four seasons? I don't know if you can remember. But we did a story. That Laurence Fishburne's wife actress Gina Torres whereas in a sort of similar stray she had been on suits the Meghan markle show soups on Youtube Channel. Does that still exist. Yeah I believe so is over but USA still exists. Good well the She was passionately kissing a mystery. Man Back then and They they were at a place called the they were kissing outdoors in front of the sweet butter cafe in the San Fernando Valley so the days at the cafe and nights at the Alexander Steakhouse enact case Gina Torres was. She wasn't kissing co-star she was kissing a man who who was We had reported a SOLAR ENERGY INVESTOR FROM UTAH. So Ron Perlman Splits Ville. It's still so he. He filed for divorce and Now dunbar his girlfriend. Her Age has not been confirmed. We reported but she's to be believed to be in her mid forties and she's been seen with a large diamond ring on her engagement finger. So called your ring finger on her engagement finger. We Queen in new phrase in this item as paid six is known to do. She has shared some photos with Ron Social Media in two thousand eighteen she she captioned a video of the pair me and Bish bish yet. Bish like Kendrick. Lamar Bish Bash. Don't kill my vibe. Yeah exactly and then or I don't know maybe it's Bish here it is. It's from like a year ago November. Fourteen two thousand eighteen. And they're in a photo booth just pointing earning to each other at Soho House. The weird thing about it is like so the thing about Hollywood stars that I found Maggie is that you have easy like obviously. There's the Brad Brad. Pitt's Gwyneth paltrow. Whoever and they're like you know Subaru attractive and whatever but then there are these other character actors like Ron Perlman right eight or like a toni collette or something and they always play the ugly sister or the like the fat loser Weirdo brother in the shack? You you know whatever and then the thing is you see them in person and actually compared to regular people. They're like amazing. Yeah they're just incredibly. She's like sparkles like flying out. He's like but like onscreen she's like. Oh I'm like the Weirdo Hippie mom loser whatever. We can't stop crying but in this case the thing about it is Ron Perlman is also like he's he's like a big ugly lug like anytime roll calls for a lug or or something like Perlman bringing Roman bring in the lush bringing Q.. The Lug so the thing is that but when you look at this photo of him I and Allison Dunbar his girlfriend alleged girlfriend at the Soho House as you mentioned. He's like he's really amazing like he looks great. He looks like healthy looks great. That's a really got a great denim shirt on a anyway Ron's rap and his attorney. Not Be immediately reached for comment Maggie so th. I think it'll be more to the story. People are obsessed with this right. I don't know why maybe it's the hell boy people are you into the hell boy franchise. I'm not it's so good is it. Yeah so basically. Did you see that alone. Come on yes I do. I've seen all the hell boys alone That is a film that a man sees. He's by himself fast or even have any other dork friends to go with. It's time for our favorite part of the show. Let's take a look in the page. Six volt to see what ancient celebrity juicy exclusive we've uncovered from yesteryear we're back in two thousand and three page six published. A story with the headline book puts Whitney on the couch. A new unauthorized biography of Winnie Houston psycho analyzes is her transition from pop princess to pothead. Her turbulent marriage to Bobby Brown and tabloid rumors of a possible. Savic relationship with former top aide. Robin in Crawford in Whitney Houston the unauthorized biography. James Robert Parish examined tails and supermarket weeklies about Houston's relationship with Crawford. Both women have denied allegations that they were ever romantically involved. I believe that Whitney and Robin were emotionally extremely close. For many years. Parish told page six I can only speculate about a stronger type of relationship but have no documented evidence. Well things have changed since two thousand and three sixteen years later. Robin Crawford has released a book in which she reveals she. Whitney Houston had a romance between them. Yeah exactly Maggie and I am I actually when I read the excerpt of the Of The book a song for you. My Life with Whitney Houston I actually. I found it to be pretty heartbreaking. Yeah Yeah I was really sad when I read it. Actually you know Robin Recalls that she and Whitney Houston had their first kiss right around nineteen eighty when they were camp. Counselors and Crawford was nineteen and Whitney Houston was seventeen. You're working at a summer camp in east orange. New Jersey and Robin said the physical part of our friendship happened along the way and it was just beautiful. We're on a journey together. When we were connected she sat of their? I kiss. We talked and talked and then all of a sudden we were face to face. The first kiss was long and slow. Like honey you're right. That does sound like very you know. Sweet Alison Incense and a thing but then it gets a little less innocent Maggie where she says that later at the apartment we took off our clothes for the first time we touched touched each other caressing her and loving her felt like a dream which is very sweet and Nice but then this is the part that really actually I found heartbreaking. Is that when Clive Davis signed Whitney to Arista two years later in Nineteen eighty-two after their first kiss robin recalls she said she. Being Whitney said we shouldn't be physical anymore because it would make our journey even more difficult. She said if people find out about us they would use this against against us and back in the eighties. That's how it felt and CISSY HOUSTON. Whitney's mom her famous. Mom told the pair. It wasn't natural for for two women to be that close. But we were that. Close Crawford Road so It's just so sad because it's like I wonder am now extrapolating here your Maggie but You know like you think of Whitney. And it's like you know she then. She ended up marrying Bobby Brown and she ended up. Do you know the whole drug thing. And it was so tragic and horrible and sad and I can't help but wonder if maybe it was. Because she had this forbidden love with Robin Bobbin and like basically had to like not pursue that because she thought it would hurt her career which today seems kind of like you know I mean that was the eighty s just seems kinda ridiculous and it's just so sad like could that Could that have you know. Fueled the old her sort of tragic drug addiction and you have to wonder at tasted men. Yeah you have to wonder. If she was trying signed to numb out this feeling that she couldn't be with this person she loved or what she wanted was wrong or she was being told it was wrong. Right and Robin Crawford says that Whitney Found Comfort in my silence and that they never talked about labels like lesbian or gay and one thing that I think I can say even. I don't know bobby round personally. Is that no one ever found comfort in his silence quite profound exactly you now so it just seems like actually the robin year sort of add up more with you know the maybe the real Whitney maybe then she could have continued on Matt Path. I agree thank you well. That's it for this episode. We hear to hear the latest we hear episodes insure to hit. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. spotify or any of your preferred podcast platforms. You can find more of the latest celebrity news and gossip by signing up for our newsletter and by visiting page six DOT Com. We'll be back next Monday with more page. Six exclusives see then.

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Hellboy (2019) | Neil Marshall

The Qwipster Film Review Podcast

11:04 min | 2 years ago

Hellboy (2019) | Neil Marshall

"They. Hi, everyone. Welcome to be quitter film review podcast. My name is Vince, Leo. I'm the author of the film review website, quit stir dot net. I have to check out over four thousand of my written reviews, you can read there any time whip stir dot net. Q W S T E R dot net. Today, I'm going to be looking at the brand new version of hell boy v twenty nine hundred version, of course, a reboot of the series. It's an are rated film. This time out the first two films that attempted to help boy out of tation where PG thirteen this one has strong, bloody violence and gore throughout and language. The run time is two hours. The cast includes David harbour as hell boy with supporting roles going to Ian McShane meal. Jovovich Sasha lane Daniel day, Chem Penelope Mitchell and Thomas Haden church. The director is Neal Marshall this time out the screenplay credited to Andrew Cosby help. I think rises near the top. I would say of the list of reboots that few people have been clamoring. For this twenty nine thousand nine incarnation of the icon half demon known as hell boy, it doesn't have the iconic presence of Ron Perlman or the stylishly playful direction of Guillermo del Toro to boy it filling in hell boys formidable shoes here is David harbour. He's another fine. Actor a lot of people love him from stranger things, but he's an actor that doesn't quite command. The same screen presence despite being six three in hype that's a couple of inches taller than Ron Perlman who seemed to have much more of an imposing frame in place of Guillaume, although Toro whose wild ideas for his proposed third entry that he wanted to make they were nixed as being a little bit to financially and conceptually ambitious. Neil Marshall here is brought in martial as director showed early promise in his career. Thanks to a couple of low budget, but very intense and gory horror flicks like dog soldiers, and the descent Marshall hasn't quite had that kind of breakthrough hit that would allow him to cross over from. An independent horror making darling to mainstream success. He hopes to do that here though, unfortunately for Marshall while his direction of hell, boy is energetic and visually quite impressive. He's going to have to wait a little bit longer for that film. That's going to put him permanently on the radar for most filmgoers now in this movie. We already have an established scarlet bodied hell boy is part of the BP RD the bureau of paranormal research and defense. He's working for his adoptive father. Professor Trevor broom or Bruton home, he's they're working to corral and radical malevolent supernatural menaces wherever they may arise around the world held way ends up reuniting with Alice Monaghan, who's this powerful medium and this cat beast, man. They major Ben daimyo. They're out to prevent the blood Queen from our three times named him way from taking a mate and growing powerful enough to finally take over the world and presumably eliminate the human. Presence upon it once and for all so much more to the story than that. In fact, this is a movie that I had to read a lot more in terms of the plot. I had to go to Wikipedia to remind myself with the plot was because it is so convoluted over guardless of whatever I might say about the film. I think the decision here to reboot the entire franchise seems unnecessary given that this already stabbed his the BP RD. This could have been just a RD film off shoot from the original del Toro work, even without the original talent that was brought along for the saga. You could have done this without Ron Perlman involved fans might have been more accepting of that approach as kind of a quasi spinoff not that there may be enough fans to justify plunking down big money for another effort this budget is fifty million a rare mid range film these days. The prior to entries made a respectable but far from very confident to in sixty million dollars combined worldwide a percentage of that coming from del Toro. Filmmaking credibility, but nevertheless, by restarting this franchise that hadn't really actually petered out in quality until the fans lost interest. As you would normally see with the reboot. This one does suffer from comparisons to the original work, especially as there exists. More fans of the film hell boy than there is of the magnolia comic which was respected, but never really top seller in its print form either. Now, those who watch twenty nineteen version of hell boy are primarily those who were first introduced to this character fifteen years prior in film form now, most fans will accept a new director in new actor to lead the film because they've grown to like these characters and the momentum of the story, but by going back to square one with a talented, but less visionary director as well as this talented, but less fitting actor for the role. This is an endeavor that does feel destined to be a disappointment for those who actually might care about what they're seeing here. The problems with hell boy, really start with a script credited to Andrew Cosby. He's a dappling mostly from elements from Mike MC Knowle's comic book series must specifically. There was a series started in two thousand nine called hell boy the wild hunt. Those a twenty ten one shot called hell boy in Mexico that also gets incorporated two part here. There is a little bit of bits and pieces to other hell boy comic books. I came out around that era all of these elements were released in print after the release of hell boy to and that offers the makers of this twenty nineteen release virgin material to explore at the very least. But unlike del Toro's, take this interruption of hell, boy doesn't really get us on board with any of the characters before taking off in their wild in Erie adventure leaves us little to do, but marvel at the visual effects in the fine makeup work. But it does leave us also wondering why we should really care about any of what we're seeing or where any of them are going to by the end, there's a jukebox of rock tunes that accompanies hell boy as he kicks into battle mode. You know, all of this feels very brisk potentially big. Rating if only we grew to care about hell boy or any of the people around him at any point as well as if we actually would care about what happens at the end of that battle. We feel like hell boy does during this very point seeing in which he questions what good. They're all doing if the battle against evil is never ending asking, then what for every positive outcome. That's precisely how this film plays. It's a collection of conflicts to resolve for no particular purpose other than to perhaps do it all over again. Now, the makers of help way here try to differentiate this outing from the prior to by going for an r rating the language is definitely Pottier the gore much much more graphic than you've seen before. That's kind of a curious choice given that few if any of the fans ever looked at MiG Knowle's comic book or a del Toro's films time. This would be so much better of hell boy through in more f bombs or we could see random people exploding with CG blood and viscera while they're being torn in two by giant monsters. Creatures those elements are moderately comical at times. But it's also ultimately meaningless, and that chops out the juvenile audience for this very silly and jokey property adults have likely seen too many properties just like to find refreshing or absorbing on their own. You know, this is a movie let's likely going to play better for audiences who are not familiar with the two prior efforts. So it seems utterly futile to make a movie only for those who are old enough to remember and have seen those original health ROY films multiple times, and despite its more adult take this version of hell boy is most reminiscent to me of films. Like teenage mutant ninja turtles another film property that kind of takes off from the comic books, although those were much more aimed at kids the snarky bantering, the very cartoony monster villains for the anti heroes to grapple against it's very much in that vein except with lots of F bombs and a lot of blood and guts on display the pacing here. Here is fine. The repartee is potent the music video where the action is Connecticut. But hell boy, this time out feels like a movie that's made by those who care more about the mechanics of the filmmaking than they do of the substance of what they're actually making. You know, you contrast this to fan boy take by Guillaume, oh, the Toro GT's passionate fan of big Knowle's working and really enthused about making those films. You know, you think about that and you'll likely easily spot what's missing from Neil Marshall's reboot inspiration and personal vision. You know, it's okay to go back to the source material for the blueprint on how to make the movie palatable to the pre existing fan base. But that's MC Knowle's inspiration and personal vision. You know, just lifting those elements from comic panel to screen doesn't carry those facets over any more than a printed picture of the Mona Lisa would inspire as much all or respect. Then actually seeing that original work with your own eyes, the creature designs makeup work here are certain. Worthy of major motion picture effort. But a movie just is not exciting. If you just dress everyone up and then give them nowhere to go. So, unfortunately, despite a lot of good quality elements healthy is misfire here. I don't hate it as much as a lot of other critics, do I definitely do at Meyer, it's energy and its direction and a lot of scenes, but those del Toro films actually felt like they were made by somebody who was joying what he was making. And we enjoy those films along with him. So it was a much more fun and wild ride than this time out, which is very mechanical entering to be a fancier is film without being made by people who are fans of that property themselves. So the best I can give hell boy. Twenty nineteen is two stars out of four two stars. My scale means I think it's lacking something vital. That would keep it from being a movie that I would recommend to most people that thing that is lacking is what I just talked about inspiration a commitment to the characters that commitment to the material. That was just that everybody is on. On-board to make the best quality film that they can you know, everyone was just going through the motions this time out, and it shows on the screen despite being made by people who are obviously very talented. So two stars out of four is the best. I can give hell boy. Thanks, everyone for listening hope that you enjoyed this review. If he did I do in courage to click the subscribe button, if you haven't done so ready, and you'll continue to get all of my reviews as they come out as wanna let you know that if you enjoy films of the nineteen eighties of lot more old school than hell boy, but still just fun if not more so there's a link on my site to my other podcasts called around the world in eighties movies, covering, of course, films of the nineteen eighties. Go to my website clips dot net and find the links and the contact information there if you want to write to me directly until next time. Thanks, everyone. And please enjoy your time. Anytime you got to go to the movies. Oh, yes. Not sh.

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EP 175 - Actor Ron Perlman

Going Deep with Chad and JT

1:47:54 hr | 2 months ago

EP 175 - Actor Ron Perlman

"What's up guys. Before he began this podcast. I want to let you know that we are once again. Brought to you by honey honey Thank you for sponsoring the podcast together. Lesin legends guys We all shop online while seeing that promo code field pontus at checkout but thanks to honey manually. Searching for coupon codes is a thing of the past goes. This is a pre browser extension. And once you go to website and you want to buy some product in maybe some like I dunno vitamin d bill Than honey will give you the promo code to get a nice sweet discount and it supports over thirty thousand stores online so get honey for free at join honey dot com slash go deep area. Yeah that's that's interesting because you seem like the kind of guy could throw up anything you know. Thank you okay. we'll just talk about things. I built. Yeah you you you mean. We weren't rolling the giving you some my. You're giving us the show. I think i might keep this in. But i gotta keep it pro. But we don't go. It's cool solid but we chad. Normally with a an intro will say don't kick it off. We have a man of my age. We don't talk about drinking all naked Widow with all the medications. The phrase kicking off is just. It's a little too close to them. Doctors against it. But i don't believe Segment on the pod where we all do fifty burgis together. What do you do to kick it off the have i have four purchased. Land up up to this really no sound. Very a very What's up stairs. Step nations chad kroeger. Coming in with deepa chan. Jt podcast guys before we began a reminder once again we brought to you by man. skit netscape. Thank you so much for keeping our troops viewed for looking after our hawes for making sure that we're looking fresh and clean use code. Go deep twenty at manscaping dot com. Here's my compadres on. Thomas woulda boom clap stoker's and we're here with the actor producer ron perlman honor to have you on the podcast. Thank you for joining us. I was told that never choice. So you know whatever daddy most people said nah. I said Out of this and they said fucking out so here. I appreciate that. Thank my people at big shout out. Patrick right seems like a good deed. He's older people right there. One in one to syllable phrase a gas tight It depends on what they ask chair. Patrick is tight. You know we is good people. He's who's your best friend in the whole world My girl that. I'm living with that's nice. I how many other Couple of years is going through a rough patch right now with my girlfriend. Well i i have a business on the side. I can fix that. And i won't. I won't even charge full price. What's the biz. I just said you know advice. The lovelorn should like that. Yeah that's that's what we do on here. We give a lot of advice to the lovelorn. It's it's it's hard to be. Check your on advice every now and again bro. All right yeah just gotta say would you would you. What would you say you see. I don't know. I've counseled a lot of people and i don't know what the answer is. I think the answer is to wait and see is is hard when it's you yeah. I think it's just wait and see right just a just hanging there and just do the best you can. And if it's meant to be it'll be kind of all those truisms that i think are so cliche there. Actually there's a lot of validity in them right. You just gotta kinda. It's it's a. It's a fortune cookie kind of reality. Yeah what's have you gotten any really good advice on love that you kind of have or but it seems like every relationship you need new advice right because everyone of them so distinct. Now i you know i mean i find that People's opinions about love. Our best equate useless. It's it's it's such a subjective sort of thing it's so a the'real you know there is no it's you know it's like oxygen you know you can't see it or feel it you just know it's there when it is and so you know i mean you know the this centuries and centuries of poetry great music and stuff while about teeth kicked in through good through the through the oregon. That's you know Mistakenly called the heart and i i'm a huge fan of saloon songs. All of which are generated by the problems that exist between lovers and the The the chaos that it can invite. And when i hear these songs i recognize them as things that i have experienced. What this wind. No is guys who write these. Things are not writing. I'm just to write a song. They're digging down into the deep well of their own experience. But that doesn't effort prevent me from meghan the same fucking mistakes over and over stepping into the same quicksand over the same brought some children of my own dick so there you have been. It's not something you can take your class for. Okay got this now. I got what else you go right. Is there anybody know or in in your life. That has a good grasp on on. Love her do you find that. Most people are always kind of searching for your just kind of Sort of walking through the dark trying to figure it out. I think it's a very kind of mercurial and elusive thing. You know it's one of those It's like holding onto a bird. You know if you if you hold onto hard you damage it but if you hold onto a to saucer flies away and it's always like exercising in You have to take so much out of it in order to really get into it. You have to take out your ego you have to take out your desire to control things Then you have a shot at Experiencing the things that are beautiful about going places that love will take you Without deciding this is my agenda. Numidian you i think i mean i'm just riffing. I had no idea you're gonna ask you to sit on. Frankly now ribbon jubilant much thought. So i'm just i'm just bullshitting you right now but gone of please please. It's helping me. Like i got nowhere to be for at least twenty minutes. Well let's let's let's empty the tank and those twenty minutes you bet anything else. Besides it's interesting you touched on Sort of letting out of your ego and letting go of Trying to control things. I guess a have. You found that to be The most helpful thing in this business as well when you just sort of But let whatever comes to come to you. That i think there. Are you trying to say. I guess 'cause this this this business is so difficult than so tough to sort of see where you're headed but seems that when you sort of let go and sort of in a let your your your soul guide you. I guess that that's how you can really find your way. Then extent will this is. This is i'm about to say is an absolute true statement. There's absolutely nothing about what i'm about to say. I am So blessed to have been involved in Not a hansel but like a A multitude a phenomenal projects with phenomenal people over all of the decades. That i've been doing this. It's act actually just even getting better. I'm set destroy seventy. And i just did to the coolest parts i've ever played for for really cool people and while all of that was happening i was trying to plan out what my career would look like. None of those things that i mentioned well planned on none of them. Were stuff it. I generated or control or not none because in the last few i'll get to where i'm going in a second. But they will just things that were acts of god you know. They just fell out of the out of the skies into my lap. I had no idea why Will incredible a series of happenstances great. Great things to to have anybody bestow upon you just real gifts do what i do and none of them planned on and So you start to believe in in Destiny you know things you know we. We talked earlier about you. Know unquantifiable mysterious. Things that you know. You can't prove it exists. You just know that they But i'm a big believer that you know somewhere. Along the way my life was written on the wind and it just unfolded An unfolded in such a way I sat down to write a book about seven or eight years ago. Just so that i could grapple with these things that we're talking about like what part of all of the great things that happened to me that i have control over. The the answer is virtually none. They all just came. Which which is you know to answer to. Maybe come close to answering your questions. The hard question to answer. But yeah. I mean it's like carlos data says you know down one book. Just relax and pay attention. That's the ultimate like you know all the tayo the sensitive expand mind figure out you know grab life by some sort of balls you know. Basically it comes down to just relax And doesn't heart thanks to do because they require a trust and they require the fact that you will. You do have grits things coming your way even though you can't foresee them even though there's no proof of them you know And not everybody. Is that lucky commend. That's why i consider myself You know incredibly lucky blessed human. Because if i was to sit down at at the age of seventeen when i started to feel like maybe i'll be an actor and right out what kind of career i wanted to have. I had it exactly exactly like i would exude and continue to and none of it even though it seemed like it was a plan. It was more of a envisioning. I think that that is very helpful in terms of if you wanna do something that's going to close the gap between where you are where you want to be Visualization is something that always always been deeply deeply dedicated to and continued. Yeah i was just saying to pass interviews talk about that point in your career after beauty and the beast where the phone didn't ring for three years and it is sort in any met guillermo. Del toro It sort of was there a point in those three years where he sort of let go. And then and then things started unraveling or is it just kind of How did you feel at that at that. Point your career horrible. I mean. I wish i knew. Then what i know now Now i'm able to Because of just the living proof of having been alive for as long as i have you fact you know a lot of the The frenetic energy of a young man you know especially when it comes to ambition has kind of disappeared a little bit in may so able to ride out But i'm still not happy. When are these big lows. but that was now is excruciating. And i took a very very personal. It wasn't until swoop down and literally jump started the second half of my life literally Where i realized that was supposed to happen. Was that i was i was i was supposed to go down to ground. Zero to two nothing to be stripped away of everything in order to restore and in order to re With all the things that come with restarting to To appreciate Things in a way. That that i never did before to to understand destiny in a way that i never did before to understand learning how to trust. You're gonna be okay if you just don't sit on it too hard. If you just don't fuck it up you could k. If you if you just relaxed attention keep doing work. Keep doing whatever you gotta do to keep your mind right. Noga s going to the gym. Whatever that is building an ark whatever that is that keeps you going until something swoops down and lifts you up. Was that hell boy or did you guys do a film before that together. We did a film called. Cronos was damaged soros i. It was very very very low but some which we shot in spanish in mexico city. He was twenty six years old I was forty one And he'd never made a film before. And so i was there to see. Be coming out party of what turned out to be. One of the most profoundly brilliant unique voices in cinema. How'd you guys get linked up. He had been doing a lot of research because he liked to do monster murray's so he was doing research in aesthetic of makeup so that he could create he could get the facility to create his own lobsters because there was no word a lot of special effects makeup artist in mexico so he figured if i want to create these these these creatures. I'm going to do it myself. He came to the united states. He started with rick baker. Dick smith stan winston and i had already done a shit load of special effects makeup jobs so he kept seeing the over and over and over again and he wrote me this beautiful letter and he send the script of cronos the most sophisticated elegant band. Pryor movie i've ever read and told me how important would help them. You do this desperate as when when i i would. I would have been a mailman at that point. You know that was just gonna to bring a paycheck But yeah that was that was. That was the beginning of it and we. We fell in love with each other. No not in a sexual way while you know but anyway we We became hermanos. You know Opposite sides of the same coin and the in in the way we thought in in our aesthetic in the way we like to grab life by the balls and eat our way through it So we kept doing it to the point where. I just finished my sixth movie with him. couple months ago called nightmare alley which is about to come out sometime this year. What's it like like now that you guys are doing these huge budget movies together. Desert like a stop in kennedy smell the roses moments that you guys have your leg dude. I can't believe come this far. I don't know do you guys ever just like look out at the ocean. You're like holy. Fuck this i do privately quietly because if if i vice said that out loud he go fuck you. Pieces should pussy still. So i'll sit there and be be a fan boy who your job believe up here i mean you know I still do that. I'm still complete fan boy. I'm writing a another book right now on working on these chapters where i'm grappling with. What happens to me when i have to work with movie stars. And how fucked up. I get you know short-circuited it makes you care totally insecure intimidates. The when. I'm a huge fan. Somebody's work having to That that that that that distracts me more than it should like our brooks drive at a tough one. Yeah that was. That was a tough one. I mean i had if albert brooks had fans in the beginning of his When he first started appearing. On ray alive in saturday night live and stuff like carson that if he had fans back then he never had one as veracious me over issues than me so when i finally get to meet found out there. We're just going to be doing this movie together. It was a big adjust and it was. It was a challenge. I yeah i'm boy. Is that tough scene. Because you're playing the heavy in a lot of stuff so you've got to kind of have the status and a lot of scenes but then you're playing opposite ryan gosling or or charlie hunnam or someone like that that you know it helps when these guys are so generous and so beautiful as humans And they can sense that you're beating yourself up loads so hard and they helped along you know And i have found that With very few exceptions. Most of the guys who i worship are also great guys and he really quickly so you get you get beyond it in your you know you start to be able to give a performance in by the flags get get replaced by you. Know The job at hand but But i'm a fan boy. I'm not gonna change. Say there's a lot of beauty in that too and being so sensitive and feeling that so keatley with all the success that you've had know. Do you just have a movie called. The don't look up in the cast is Leo jennifer lawns. Meryl streep chris evans. And i'm on my way to work on the only. Have one scene that i'm in with merrill leo jennifer lawrence and enjoy a hill and rob morgan. That's the only seen them in with the heavyweights and i'm shooting in boston. In december The teams took picks me up with me. You in the back of the van. And it's twenty seven degrees fahrenheit and he keeps looking back to wondering why i'm wiping the sweat off my wondering if i'm okay because he's freezing in the fucking van and that's what happened. Just the the notion of having to go to work with those people I got the flop. Sweats i got the albert brooks. In broad hasn't sweats on my way to work once. I got there once we we. We've rehearsed realize these people are just as fucking concerned about being good as i am you know and you know and the beautiful helpful generous and and human and you know immediately got replaced but it happens. Does it get thrown out in terms of your process. Sort of like the i wonder what merrill's processes like the it might in my prepping all that kind of stuff. You had those kinds of nerves or are you still able to stay in your own. Trust your own process and entrust your own gut with regards to that. Let's another thing that kind of is evolved over course the time you know I trust my own ability to get to where. I wanna go more than i used to. If you'd ask them that question. Twenty years ago i would have yeah. I'm on i and i did. I did having to work on scene with marlon. Brando said myself. he's he's probably thinking. What if i can dry out. Because of his his ability to get to where he wants to be as an actor. And i'll never ever you know so. I was applying all this pressure on myself. That was insurmountable but these days and you know it goes back to that big thing of trust you know. It takes a long time to learn. I mean if you're a young guy and you and you have learned the big lesson of trusting in the universe. Then you're way ahead of the game. You're way ahead of where i was. It took me forever to stock to learn how to go. Hey man you've done your homework. You read the scripts lot strong opinions about what's going to make this scene commensurate with what the writer the director intended for it to be. You don't know what you're gonna do when the camera's rolling but you know you you you better just fucking trust that something good is gonna come out Hardest thing to do is like you know like a bungee joe. Just jump off of you know. The burn zone narrows bridge to your death and hope that that core doesn't snap. Have you ever acted in a scene with somebody really disliked is that how does that affect the scene. Can it make it better or no. You just do your work. I mean you just do work And you reserve all that personal stuff kid. You always do that or when you were younger. Would you be like. Oh man i'm i i don't know if i can like no not always always always always about was always about performing your task at hand which is to be your character in the scene regardless of what you think about who you're acting opposite. Sometimes you realize that you have to work a little harder to to maintain chemistry because there is real hatred you the person you're acting whereas them and and and so that becomes part of Little exercise of the day but at the end of the day the only thing to do is play your character in the scene and be true to the authenticity of what it is. You're getting at at at what. What is your process. Like if you don't mind getting into like the right like character bio dude. You go like extensively into their backstory and all that kind of stuff do you primarily just analyze the script in sort of look to see how you can Deliver what's needed in the scene like. Is there a bunch of a ton of prep beforehand. Or are you kind of Mostly focused on the scene at hand. If you're playing somebody Who has a skill set that you need to research than that's what you do You know if you're playing a pilot in airplane pilot or an fbi agent or you know Or schoolteacher gonna wanna do research you know you're gonna want to immerse yourself in those people's approach to doing their job But i would say like ninety percent of the time on just relying on the made up world at the writer has come up with and my process varies depending on how close i feel i am to the character. I feel really close to the character. Basically just read the thing and and then read the thing over and over again as soon as we get closer to the shooting day. Read everything leading up to the senior about to do so that you know you back story and then you come in with your informed about what you're supposed who you're supposed to be in the serb moment in this big st and I don't learn my lives until i've had my first rehearsal. I know my lines pretty good. Because i've i've read them over and over again. But i have not sat and memorized them. Prior to coming to the set once we have our first rehearsal in their lighting the scene. I learn them but i want to reserve judgment on learning the lines by wrote until i've interacted with the actors and seeing how they're gonna play it and find up maybe there's more dynamic seen that i thought there was. I won't know about it so i get it on. Its feet with the other people on west or front of the director who might have his own ideas. And once i get i get okay. I know we gotta do here then. I'll sidna trail while they light the scene and finished lending the lives. That's that's my process. awful lot actors. Who would never work again. So there's no one right or wrong way you know it's you've got to find out what's right for you when you say you're nervous innocence especially when you're playing on all these. You know a really talented people are you like. Does it manifest itself more like when it's your close up like are you more comfortable like for me i. I've done like unlimited acting. I've done like. I didn't have to set hawaii five. O and i was good in the wide. But they'd be like hey parts you're close up now and then there was like the forty person crew and everyone was focused on me sometimes. Find myself tightening up. Well that's natural because that's that's kinda the money shot the unfortunate thing about anybody who's in a performance oriented profession whether the singers dancers you know musicians actors for athletes. You know any athlete in any sport performance oriented. And you're going to have. There's no signs that's going to. You can depend on to get you through it. You're you're you're going to have good taste of you're performing and you're gonna have shitty And the idea is to be good on a shitty day Because the one constant is pressure and the pressure is different in the first inning with nobody on base than it is in eighth inning. When you're down to runs and you got to men on dates and that's your close up you know All kinds of shit gonna work on you to get in your way because you feel so much pressure to be good but the trick is how do i push all that aside and just relax and trust that. I'm going to be as good as i was in the wide shot when it was when was the second and there was nobody on base and there was no score. Yeah did you ever when you were feeling discomfort. Did you ever turn to like like drinking or anything like that to help. Loosen you. I'm a needle. I like to just go. Heroin you just go straight in there. No chocolate no dark chocolate now. No milk chocolate best. Best buy downfall. Dark chocolate is actually pretty adamant. Okay to main line they say yeah come like Oxidants ever be embarrassed like when the ad would come into your trailer and you're just you know fixing yourself up with all this chocolate wearing did kind of turn a blind eye to ron thing about these. That these days is that they know their asses line. If if they show any kind of judgment whatsoever you know that they noted making waves moments away from having career shatter. Did you just look at me. Did you not read my contract. You don't look you don't look in my eyes ever what is that. What is that when some people don't want people to make eye contact with to pathetic trades. Have i have no idea where in a collaborative could i mean you know if if movies inferior and music or anything that unless you're a solo artist It's hard to be a solo artist. Wouldn't making a cell late at least two three guys. At least you know to make a movie. So how do you put in your contract. If i catch anybody looking in my eyes. They're fired i mean. Don't you want to know what the other guy is gonna be doing. If you're in a collaborative kinda thing where your life is depending on is i don't get anyway There's an awful lot i don. I don't know but if you asked me about chocolate good how did you prep for a role Did you did you study a biker. Gangs or did you feel like you're somewhat close to the character first of all they're co clubs or carrying that getting hip politics. This is the first thing i learned. I call them jiang's to everybody. yeah but their clubs motorcycle clubs but yes Strangely enough i was Very intimidated to play tomorrow. Even though Had already done all these things while i was completely covered in makeup. And you know having to Do stuff that would seemingly very challenging years. Copeland clay morrow. Just go and comb my hair. Walk on set star saying my lines. There's no real. But the adjustments acclaim. Ro was for me was profound because he possessed Kind of a a value. Set that i didn't understand. He was ruthless. He was at times a moral. He was at times violent explosive. He was dishonest. He was incredibly capable of doing things that were completely heartless and I was. I wasn't sure i could do him. And i Bet every every book. I could on on on the angels a real soccer club. You good and i saw every movie i watch and i ultimately realized you just gotta get guys to college. You know you have to really really you know. And that was that was that was an imagination game. That was like what what part of me can do. All those things that i just listed to the ruthlessness in in the violence of a morality and blind ambition even even if it means destroying people. What part of me is in there. That's capable of lessons because that's really the only thing you have to go on when you're acting and Was uncomfortable and it was a stretch but it was at the same time very very challenging and You wanna you wanna be uncomfortable every now and again. You know when you're acting you wanna be not sure about. Do i got this because it makes for a really great engagement between you and your job. What about when when he because a lot of your work has involved. You know tons of special effects makeup and stuff like when you're held boy for example a was it challenging. Did you find it challenging to to vote the way you wanted to with like all that You know covering your face or did it. Come naturally t what was it easier than than you thought. Although it was probably the easiest part. I've ever played in my life because guess. Komo has taken a character was in graphic novel that only spoken one word sentences. Two words was was was a monologue for him so he had no he had a veneer in the comic books but in in eeking him out making him three dimensional and human for the movies jimbo Had to find his humanity and his point of view in his his personality and he chose me he he basically wrote it for me and if anybody knows how i speak and how i'm always i'm always just fucking around sending shit up and just you know completely degenerate in a situation from this is serious. Y'all okay okay. Whatever that banana peel man. Gmo took all that stuff that you know of man made his help boy that so it didn't matter how much makeup wearing for that it was. It was like they said action. I just i. I just was from ron. You know. I mean except when it came to the super superhuman stuff But in terms of psychology and his his his says a few marin his a distinct underachieving kind of ways which is what made him different from any other supergirl. You've ever seen in coming movie. He was a guy would rather sit homemade pizza and watch the three stooges go out instead of the world but the revenue by the mon. You're year to save the world. Come up all right side. He was you know that's me. I don't wanna you wanna stay home and shoot shot at have been tonight vansem and watch marx brothers movies. Who's your favorite marx brothers Varies i've been watching the marx brothers for seventy years now so one day. It's hard on one dance chico. Most of the time it scratching. Yeah he's got the witticisms right. he's just. I mean he's emblematic of why we love the three stooges if any if any one of them is matic scratching its his sensibility is his. It's you know they're different than the stooges right. There's no comparison. I love my stooges but you know there's no comparison. I love laurel and hardy too but again not the marks brothers was your data. Big comedy guy. My dad was a big movie guy. All of the all of my taste in movies came from silliman watching movies with my dad didn't have very very long in my life. He he died when i was nineteen he was but he was a long time ago. But thank you but he was Movie freak and he loved all the good ship me. He really loved the marshburn so whenever they were on i would. I wanted to hang out with. My dad was a fun guy to be around. So i just whatever he was doing i was doing a widow. You know and a lot of it was listening to sinatra watching old black and white movies. Was he supportive of you becoming an actor he was. He never saw me as a professional. He sold me all in in high school in college. When i was getting the bug to be maybe explore it. He never saw in live long enough to watch. I was still in grad school when my dad passed away so he never saw a professional but what he did city. When in the early early goings was he was very nice. Atoll stand up to that was the first thing he did in your career. Is that right so far minutes. Yeah amidst it. How's it hanging out comedians. They're pretty brutal. I never. I never got that far. Never got other comedians. I had a partner named spencer schwartz and this was back in the day where jews didn't they didn't use their names so I was problem. He was short. Were student terry. And now the reason why our careers didn't last with because we never wrote anything we just stole. Just stole rodney dangerfield. I did that at the beginning to just do other people's jokes. I'm amazed no one ever caught risen why nobody caught miss because i caught george carlin before he was famous and i was stealing all his stuff and nobody knew everybody thought i was being original. George carlin hasn't really hit the big time yet. So i got away with but for five minutes literally five minutes was this like carson carlin was like seven dirty words carlin or somewhere between carson carlin. The hippy dippy weatherman. Can you remember the hippy. Dippy weatherman vaguely well. That was first bit a man he met with the hippy. Dippy weather man Pot-smoking tv weatherman funny ship. Yeah do you still watch a lotta comedy who you into now. It's tough question. Who am i answering now. Or who do you revisit Might i am not Up on current crop of standup An i and i'm horrible with names. bill bill bird. Oh my god yeah. We're on this. Podcast is on his network wealthy view. Yeah okay he's fucking. Somebody will go out of my listen to. He's fucking hilarious. Yeah yeah they just produced a doc. This company about this comic patrice o'neal he's a good guy to checkout to australian. Is jim jefferies. She liked that he liked that raw cultural commentary and it was only. My brother was a jazz musician and all that jazz musicians like were obsessed with lenny. Bruce one lenny. Bruce was still alive. You know and he was still being dogged by the cops and the law shift or being dirty and you know political but I would say myrlie comedy chops because my brother was another one who you know whatever you is doing. I just wanted to tag along. And he was listening to lenny bruce. Every every single word lenny. Bruce he get his hands on. He was listening to twenty four seven. And so i guess maybe that's where the whole kind of cultural commentary thing Got awoken is interesting listening. Back to lenny. Bruce now because it kind of like. It's almost hard to see what made him so unique in that moment because i think he broke the ground You can't really. I can't put myself in the context before that ground was broken. You know the i. I like to point this out to people but Gangsta with a was sinatra. Dean martin and sammy davis junior. Because they were drinking and smoking on stage this was our version of gangster even though they will you know dressed impeccably black-tie brooks brothers. Whatever but they will bad boys because they dared to have a cocktail while they were working. You know and fuck around us loose language in vegas you know and the catholic the mind a ministers back when you know Censorship was you know you couldn't say damn you couldn't say hell couldn't say god in any public forum. So a guy like lenny. Bruce comes along and he shatters everything and because of the time she lived than it was big news. Big man nowadays is like that. Nothing is sacred symbol. Which is one of the things that i read about it in my first book which was watching This such a dramatic shift in What once said what one didn't say compared to now In my lifetime is. I'm not sure it's a good thing. At as permissiveness we'd been allowed to become. Yeah who who'd you run with. Who were you like a hippie. Or were you like a like a jogger. Who i i could see it going any which direction i was dressed like. Hippy had bill bottoms and tie. And you know. I have big jewish afro and But i was a theater god while my friends were going to grateful dead concerts and you know and and listening to you know rolling stones and shit. I was a fair guy from jazz family. My music even even while i was being dressed like hippy was miles davis john. Coltrane bill evans. Right and campbell atalay mingas monk and shit like that and everybody else was going to shea stadium to sue the stones you know what about theater where you like Like arthur miller nugenix neil and than where you had a real classical education in college. I had a guy who insisted that i read. Every starting from escalates the greeks all the way up to samuel beckett who was still writing contemporary nestle while i was studying That's pretty amazing. Yeah and and as was harold pinter. I was going to sea. World premieres both their plays. While i was going to college But he insisted that i read The greatest stuff that was ever read. And so the writers of my day. When i was first throwing dab shepherd in that zone or not. Mammoth wasn't reflected born yet bro. now it was It was you gino. Nail and tennessee williams and what all b. e. n. And arthur miller great right hand and Good to grass Some of amazing european voices I was tennessee. Williams was still alive when i was in college. Still writing plays still having world. Premieres of but those those god heads williams o'neal miller and every all be and eugenie esco held pincer Did you do all their stuff. Did you do like waiting for godot. I did a also characters. I'll think of the second game and game. Nice aaron aaron earned with say do you have any great nicolas winding refn stories while i have one to tell you the truth on probably a million. But i can't recall and you might have one hearkens back to. I think it was question. Aaron might have asked about Preparation stuff. But i was one of those guys that had seen the pusher trilogy out i had seen brunson and then i was so blown away by bronson that i went back and watched the pusher trilogy. I this rumor that went revenues coming to make his first american film and ryan gosling is attached. And he's casting right now. And i said to my people. I never ever ever lobby for par. I never have lobbied for art mela except for this one. I said people you got a range for me at least have a conversation with wrestling and i wanna tell him why i need to play nino and So i was on location someplace. It'd be la you agreed to have a phone conversation with me. And i was so insistent on the phone that he said well. What are you going back to. La i'll be back next week. He's trump to my house and we'll talk about. But i'm i'm i'm interested in your enthusiasm. I don't know what it is about. But i'm interested very enthusiastic and yet it's a little annoying but you know let's let's take a step up to reference house and we meet and we sit out what he's got a rented house in the hollywood hills and we sit out in the back. Were having a really cool conversation. And he says to me I could tell at the meeting was winding down three system. This who is nina character. That i want and i paused in my internal monologue was if i answer this question wrong thoughts and i don't know what the right answer is. So what's gonna be wrong so that was like a ten second pause and then i said to you know nick. I don't know who may notice. But i'll tell you one fan when you say action shit is going to happen and he said okay. I'll see on the first day that was. That was the right answer. And i really you know. The fact of the matter is when we had that meeting nino was like a stick figure you had no personality whatsoever. He was just an idea. He hadn't been fleshed out in the one beautiful thing. That referee did do drivers that he had all of us sitting in his living room with the writer. And bullshit about who we thought characters should be might be might wanna be and that guy implemented our own ideas and nino was developed right in front of me but but but when he asked me the question i didn't know he was and i thought the best thing i can do is to just be honest and Worked out later on that. Nina was basically in the sense that his jewish guy wanted to be an italian gangster. Right right well. That was the original concept that part of it had been established very early on even though the character wasn't born out in the writing yet but he was nino whose real name was You know karema was real name was but it was like arthur schwartz. Some shit like that. And he's like this jew from queens and When we spoke over the phone. When i was at a data just talking phone he said why. Do you wanna play the parts of much as i should because i'm jewish guy and when i wasn't thinking of myself as italian i was fantasizing about myself being it's out and i was eating like in italian i was fucking like i was doing everything like fucking. How do you like an talented trust me. That's in my my next book you. You're going to happen redo if you wanna know going to have to pay retail i'll i'll out. I won't charge a tax cava soundly selling them out of the trunk of my car dodgers stadium while i'm getting vaccinated for covert have you been vaccinated yet. I got my first one. My second one was supposed to be friday and because of the the storms and all of airport closures Postponed drew undersigned day. Future you ready get back out. They feel good I've been doing okay during during the The pandemic been going out pretty much doing something every day you know. Do all the shopping for. I can't sit around do nothing and then i got really lucky because nightmare alley which the interrupted in march mccolgan. I it was forty percent shot already and then they decided that they could be mounted. Finish it so mid-september. Backup toronto barky on a big movie as if nothing had happened. I mean we were all wearing masks and shit you know getting code. Gino know swap every other day but making of the film was as as always is. Yeah i got question what what makes you most in life hitting the club face right in the middle on a golf show is up there. 'cause pure ns rare doesn't happen often I'm a big. I've always been a huge fan of the hunt. I like being in the hunt. Dissuade never gonna be able to retire me. I'm just gonna keep doing this till i die up Because i love to be in the hunt. I love to know that. There's a project that i'm working on. That might happen or that. There is a project that people are talking about and they are interested in me. Doing that might happen. I love the fact that i hear about. I got a job as in two weeks. So i got some time where i'm in this beautiful state of grace who. I don't have to worry about women next job is coming from. But i really really love being in the hunt and i love Love developing stuff Even though most of this stuff i developed like i said doesn't happen other shit happens on You make plans in god. Bless you know. While i'm making plans by this shit is usually takes takes. His place makes it impossible for me to finish what i started but but i love i love being in the hunt i love. I love being in the kind of creative state because it makes me feel more alive than pretty much anything else. Nice sweetser listeners. Questions oh sure you have listeners I was told that this was completely. Just yeah just run outs. This'll be internal will will let them know. I hope i didn't say anything really detect. I got real quick dude. You can handle listener questions. Yeah we might just chat until he gets back. How's your day going otherwise good pretty early But yes beautiful day here where you. I'm in west hollywood. Yeah i'm and pasadena's beautiful day sunshine since the sixties seventies It's nice where you born new york city. Oh in the city yeah. What is your family. Do my dad had been a jazz drummer. And when he started having kids even feel like you could put food on the table doing that so he went back and got a kind of a vocational degree as a tv in a repairman allow. Does that his most of his whole life at forty five and went back to school and became a substitute teacher for electron x and did that for four years so he had a heart attack and passed away at forty nine. A jazz musician your seventies. so you're born in nineteen fifty. See your dad was drummond in like the like like he was he was done by the time i came along so he was pretty early in jazz. Though right he was. He was in the swing days. Right since like duke duke ellington. 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That's like elvin jones and joe joan. Tony williams be bob. God's any tip. On how i could kind of understand my kind of blue better when i try to listen to it. I don't understand. i just think it's beautiful now. I mean i don't mean like understand like you know the the theory of it or whatnot. But i even have trouble listening to it sometimes. I'll give it another shot today. i'll give it another shot This no right or wrong. What your taste in music. I mean you know this. All like i came to grips with that one all my friends or you know discovering rock and roll in high school and college you know and i just went. That's shit So one dimensional. On musical felt lowbrow to you low because i had come from a family where Harmonic progressions mill sophisticated music. was went into the recipe rock and roll. Always had this one driving. Kind of like you know. One dimensional thing to it that i i didn't relate to until i was much much much older like i just three weeks ago. I just downloaded the last waltz. Which is the martin spicer as a mini van. The band last performance. You know the the famous neil young thing right that he had cocaine on his nose name. They wrote a stage. They edited out of the dvd. But if you've watched the original you can see it all over them No but i. I believe that you know the story that you know used to see satchmo armstrong with a white handkerchief constantly. You know it was a bad thing laced with cocaine really. If there's a lot of it wasn't really really sweating. Snorting hilarious jimi hendrix. The old folklore toy story that he put a tab of acid under his ban. Dan when he did like the star spangled banner. Or something like that. So many sweat it would seep into pores. She's win would go man. I don't know if it's true. I think maybe it's just only ever heard more than not Bills cats were heavy. Druggies yet they burn the candle at both ends. You'd never got into drugs and staff. No i mean when everybody else was You know when everybody else was discovered. Marijuana i was often pot but i never took to it like my like. A lot of my friends did and i never took cocaine nitrided multiple times but This has got to be better than what i'm experiencing because everybody's so fucking like selling the house for shit. I kept trying to keep triangle. I don't get this i never fucked with Hallucinogens though other brigham all right want to answer some questions on us. This is a long when some of these questions can be long so it. It can be kinda hard to sit in the pocket in here all of iran. But we'll catch up after if it if influenced by a little bit all right what bros. Want to start off by saying thanks to my stock levels on a weekly basis. Your so called vibes and shiny demeanor have really made me covid. Mike ovid canadian winter. Little sunnier surf the long the long email. I really hope you enjoy it over the past year. I've met a couple of girls who has really connect with over a couple of dates and frequent texting calls. How each time. After two days. I got the dreaded this isn't working out texts with those girls claiming they just weren't feeling any chemistry. The most recent example is this week going to let some frustration and interest to an introspective analysis of what i think has been a recurring problem in my life to put it shortly. I'm a pussy as bitch always been scared of being fully vulnerable with potential partners. I was getting really nervous to what my family and friends would think of potential girlfriends it intimate situation. I get really nervous and to hide that. Become very distant. Avoid making a move. This has led to me being a twenty eight year old virgin who avoided dating almost entirely out of fear. I've been told him. Good looking quite the catch but i feel like when my friends tried to encourage me. They mean well. I just feel shame for still being in this situation of pressure in the two aforementioned dating situations there was no touching or kissing whatsoever as i was too scared to make a move. I feel like this is a reason. No chemistry can manifest as i continually. Avoid it don't show my interest or maybe the girls just didn't like me as i get closer to thirty. I'm really worried. My lack of romantic experience is going to hinder my chance. Meeting someone special also dropping the virgin bomb. This late in life seems like a sure way to put extra pressure on potential relationship. Do you have any tips on how to become more comfortable with being uncomfortable. It seems like most lethargic tomlin getting physical with someone really lags behind. What is normal nowadays. Everyone says romantic moments. Just naturally happen but should be making more of an effort to spark the flame or should it be myself. Expect to be like steve carell in forty virgin. Thank you so much guys. Any thoughts you have would be greatly. Appreciated it karoo. Sorry funny no No listen i i i i i feel i feel for this person And understand it and It's one of those. Things goes back to pressure. I mean he's he's you're digging yourself into a grave deeper and deeper and deeper by putting mount of pressure on yourself To score and the longer you takes you to to score without success the more pressure putting on yourself so it's kinda plead self-defeating But what you're going to have to do so you're gonna have to fucking man out being broke. Parents said at some point when you're out there with a girl you wanna kiss you're gonna have to actually repeat after me listening. Repeat after me. Can i kiss you and she says now okay. Sorry chances are she's gonna say yes and the minute you do own. You'll know what to do. From that point on. I love i agree. I think Just gotta you gotta put yourself out there and you got just bite the bullet and the the the more pressure on yourself. The more you you build up this you build up this sort of a anxiety in your head or just the you once you do make that step towards you know. Just saying hey. Do you wanna kiss that. stop it. you're gonna feel so much better about the whole situation about yourself so it's just take that first step you just gotta you gotta get on stage and do it and something real will happen when you when you say that even if you fuck it up but something real will follow. She's she's going to be real with you one way or the other because you were just real with her. You were expressing something real and usually good things happen when when you go from the the the ship that you're imagining in your head which is what all the pressure's coming from to shifting accounts station to something real like i. I really wanna kiss you right now. Is that okay with you. And she's gonna tell you but her answers probably going to be pretty real it. May it may be alive. But it's gonna be a real lot you know or it may be a little james. She wants to play. Well just discover not right now on his you know but real shit will happen and it will replace the the the imagined horrible pressure. You're putting yourself which is getting you nowhere for sure and dude also fit if If you go for that kiss and it doesn't work then you could just tell it like. Hey sorry i don't have that great game. I'm a twenty eight year old virgin and maybe that honesty will not only disarm her but it will it might disarm you your truth out there and i agree with that. She'll probably go. Oh yeah Clear yeah she's a nice person is gonna she's gonna help you along and she might find an endearing right. We got another another long one fellas. What ab- chatted jt in any other legends on the pod shadow to stick the relationship. You're in joe's hog are fringes normally on here and he's got a huge dick apologies for the semi lon question. Some big complicated one that has been tearing me apart. I've listen to y'all forever. Two years now always appreciate the stoking wisdom you provide for me and the rest of the stoker's especially around relationships. I'm ready to get some tips on how to approach an upcoming trip. I'm going on from college at the end of the month. We graduated last year and have a squad of twelve homeys. I'm so hype to see all of them but there's one problems one of the home uses my ex. Her and i dated for a senior year. Call things off back in october as we drifted apart from distance about an eight hour drive apart and the lingering fact that we're moving to cities on opposite coasts of the. Us wants cova chills out. Ever since this split my stoke is not been nearly as high. She was so great for me. And i truly was in love with her but we made a mature decision and things before we got sucked into deep and moved on to new cities. This was mainly her idea. Unfortunately since we didn't break any sort of dispute i'm filled with so many what ifs and constantly think about how would be if we still together and also doesn't help that wearing the same texan snapchat groups so i see her on the phone all the time. She's on my mind every single day since we broke up over four months ago and a big part of me wants her to move back more than anything but a small part of me thinks that i just need to keep looking forward to moving onto my new city and finding other potential dank. Jeff's i know this for sure. I'm still insanely attracted to her. I wanted to be my girlfriend again. I still love her. But i also know that if i tell her this risk getting. My heart broke even worse than it already is. Show pull her side and the upcoming weekend excursion to confess. This tour should keep my composure. And not take that risk any advice. Y'all have it'd be super appreciated and if you could let me know if and when you're including this episode that'd be clutch since it's time sensitive sensitive. I think we actually missed the window on that. If i'm being completely candid. But i think it's time to read the whole thing then if we missed the window. Somebody these emails bro. And you've probably you guys would probably pull it down. Seven figures on this podcast. We're not quite there yet. But we could. We could have someone do that for us. I'll actually ron. I swear to god. I'm actually going to do that after this episode. I think it's about time. I had but i don't trust somebody else to pick the emails Ability could be different but all question dimissed the window or not. That's the only us because you just took three minutes out of my life. I'll never get back but ryan still. This is still this advice. That could relate to fucking train left. The station brought the dude. It's not. I don't think of it so many early okay. I'm sorry rock with me. I'm sorry i'm sorry. Look i know. I know i know it wasn't a great tag to put on the end of the email but i think i think there's still some stuff here that we need to dive into no fucking. He's probably probably blown by now. You know what this planet people out there. That really need where i gotta give. This did some advice though. I'm sorry. I'm sorry i like what you're saying though dude. I think you should just go for it. I think she's going to reject you. I think you should just go for it. i think. Just tell her you love her and just take that heartbreak on and will suffer together. We all suffer through this stuff. But you're an investment her now. I don't know where she's at on this. I don't know if she should say she can say whatever she thinks. I think she wanted to break up and then the movie to different cities was a good common sense reason. Why but i think if she was truly into him she would have stuck it out right auto noma skirt probably know he's probably not even on the internet anymore. I just picked hammered at a park. A twelve step program. He's just not yeah. Wait for this podcast. Tell me what to do next. Fucked me Yeah i think Aggregate you air to go for or or is not Take like a moratorium from you. Know seeing her on your phone like i would bail out of those group chats of the you know. Maybe just like mute her on social media. You don't see her because the more you just keep seeing her. And and you know. Just gonna keep torturing you gotta you know bail from. Yeah you can't be on all those those constant reminders of her. You're just torture yourself. And i appreciate the the masochist in you. But i don't think you're getting much out of it. But i would tell her. Just tell her you love her and see what happens did honestly i was being a little cynical saying she's probably going to say no but do crazy should happen. She could say yes so. I think you've got to always be optimistic that these things could work out all right last question. From zachary my dogs. I have a serious issue at hand. Literally me and my girl. I've been doing the horizontal hokey pokey every day for the past two months and also really liked to hit the gym in my free time. This guy's just. I mean we'll see why okay but i also take t- boosters. I got often. Because i forgot to take them but they messed me up. A few nights ago. We're in the middle of it and i got softer than sharman toilet paper and i looked defeated then. The next night. I couldn't stop thinking about the incident. Happened again please. My dogs helped me become an absolute unit. And maybe sunday alleged. What do you think i tried to do. Yeah do that stuff works. But i don't know. I get headaches when i take it the next day. I feel kinda on talking about you right now. Are we read your own fucking emails. You know i can prescribe something else. Say from personal experience. Because i'm looking out for him. I'm like yeah. It's a quick fix but there's no free lunch this guy's gonna we have. He's going to have this title. Whether you have a headache or non just dropped divide. You'll be harder than chinese algebra and you will have moved past this. This writer's block. You have right now so you think it's i hall jitters. Viagra will get him there. But because i'm worried he might to remind himself of his power and if he can't do it on his own don't get in a rut you know. Use a substance yet out works. Well why is he taking t like. How old is this kid. He's in college. Thank sounds like it. yeah Say they said that your testosterone goes down commensurate. Come with stress. You have in your life and to me right now if you look around what's happening in the world that's michigan the stop. Start at all right. Yeah i think do i think also lake. I've had boehner problems like a million times in my life. But and i got a nice boehner i would just i. Wouldn't i think you're you're thinking that this moment's gonna last forever but it's just a moment it happens to the best of us you'll be fine. You're just a little sensitive which is nice bob. A little blue diamond. I used to i. I was like addicted to that stuff. That's why i get wary about it. Because i was i was chasing that power but it wasn't real power. You're only supposed cert- one day. That's probably what you're getting headaches will not now. I can't even take if i take like twelve milligrams. I got a headache the next day. I'm just sensitive. I would say. Let's do squats and take an ice bath. That's healthy watchmen squats. I can get back up. That i try to go. Habitat diesel We're gonna give new replacement up pretty soon so I'm trying to try to work. My core Bullshit but i i don't i just i just do. Curls curls are the girls yeah. Edward burns director says he put a dumbbell by your toilet. You just do curls when you're on the toilet you're talking about squeezing one out but Jacking off no. I didn't say that you know you you end on it. That's not as rubbing one out. Well would you say he's talking about taking shit wheezing. One out of that is taking shit Well i don't know it depends on what I think that's good. That was good. Final question to enron fine with me. Right he will more all. I said fine with good. I'm really good round. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for coming on. It was really fun was guys. Were so fun to talk to you appreciate you. Thank you brother. Thank you nice meeting you guys use. Well okay great sunday. You do the same by ron fellows. Guys i'm interrupting his pockets. 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Go twenty put handsome on autopilot with a new peak hygiene plan for manscaping guys are back up dog to see brother chat. Let's get into who should be for the week. Maybe for the week is something. I'm not mad about Home i just read this down. The week is something. I'm not mad about but something. I discovered yesterday so yesterday i posted a photo me at home depot. I'm becoming you know a home home. Repair guy Issue is getting pumped from is back. So i could pump out the water in its manual. Guys gotta keep that. I'm gonna use muscles to get the water out. I don't need. I don't need the fucking gas powered a pump. And so i posted a photo me next to some pretty sick pipe equipment. I was really pumped on the valves and everything going on with the pipe equipment. And i was like yeah becoming home. Guys making the announcement to the universe and I got a bunch of messages. That were like whoa dude. Homedepot should be going with lows. You should be a lowest guy. And i would say that the majority of the messages were like what are you doing at home depot. You should be going to. Lowe's and i had no idea that this kind of beef existed And i frankly. I don't really know why people have this. beat Because you know. I talked to my brother about his big handyman. And he's like he's like lows for housewives. So you know. I don't know maybe some people can write in and tell us why they prefer depot or lowe's because i'm going to home depot and it really tickled my fancy in it you know it's spurs might In a good way so he has let us know what. What's the deal with lows for some depot. And do you guys have preferences. I don't 'cause. I don't know shit. But i saw aaron making some head gestures while i thought i thought that they were. I thought they were objecting. The home depot because the the owner apparently donates a bunch of trump as sodas lows. So it's both of them. Do so are people still donating to. Did you see this. Stiffed rudy. Giuliani on the bill. The lawyer he's only done it his whole life. So i guess he's not paid rooted so funny aaron. Who's who's your deeply week Might be for the week is with spit up I don't know if you've ever encountered this with the baby but Man you think you're wearing of but cool shirt for the day and just out of nowhere. It's it's got white shirt on it and it sucks Still love your baby. But your wardrobe is ruined to my My be week with trevor noah. I was watching something on comedy central for the first time in a while and a head to watch a couple of trevor noah commercials and stick is awful His your baby the week. Did i love those. I favor beef. I think he's ever done. Make a baby brother. Billy Figure out but let me just off the top of my dome here Abrazos liver pimple. Yeah i was gonna go with that. So i'm looking for dogs. I i met a picnic yesterday. Story in Super cute super affectionate needs a home. And i think she spoke. The demand is high. The lady was telling me that She's like she's super high energy. Super high prey drive. You know you'd have to. I'd have to train her. Essentially and i'd have to worry about in. I don't know if i'd be able to take her to the dog park. I don't know she just like two high energy At a crate training she said and and so that's a hard of meals like i don't have time to to handle this. Another part of me is like. I think it'd be really cool to learn how to train the dog and to learn how to be the leader of a dog at the bond would be pretty sick. sandra just trying to figure that out and still you know looking around for dogs and maybe one with a little bit milder a little bit lower energy But i love story inch super. Cute i just. I wonder if i'd be the right owner. But i think it's a challenge that i think i'd really enjoy i think I don't know if i'm at the point by. Maybe if i lived with someone than we could both handle it But the idea of of of having like a a bond with a dog grad train the dog. And you know we have. This connection really just gets my gears going. So that's the status of magog search. Nice did i think exactly as it should. Uh thanksgiving is do plods on that dog word powerful. There were incredible so she has. She has a. She's a lab mix if she has a labrador head. And then the beefy quads. You've ever seen like the most inspiring. They were incredible so pumped on stoked on that. And i think you look at that dog. You're gonna wanna lift every day. You know what. I mean that. That's i guess. Like a good photo for eve. I was like jt. Saudi team would be. I think he would just go straight into burke's though love that aired has your baby the week. Why have an example of why you need to train. A dog My mom's during this podcast while we're recording from men which is joy in my life My mom's dog scratch. My baby's face wall should baby okay. She's she's i'm simon but did issue bleed and okay. This is like did that. Make you angry at the dog. Yeah yeah but yet. His lack of training. I'd find it hard not to do some. Luckily i was there to see it in here distracted so all i heard was crying in the it was kind of come to find out. So is that why you had to jet when chattered ads yeah dude. You're such a pro. You came right back any dialed respect. Yeah my baby. The week is my wife leah. She's been here at my parents house for week while i went up. Back to la to work Just kind of letting the baby hang out with the grandparents a little more And i just missed the hell out of her so she of my babe of the week. Nice his lovely my baby. The week is patrice o'neal so all things comedy where we do our podcast produced and directed a a special about patrice. O'neal who i think we can. All agree is one of the. I know the greatest comedians of all time a true original and i found the documentary. It was. I was way sweeter than i thought it was gonna be. You know what i mean. Because we all know him for his kind of his braggadocio but he backs up braggadocio with intelligence and performance chops and commitment. And so it's it's well-earned but i i wasn't expecting how sweet it would be and that was really nice but the thing that always inspires me. The most about him is just his honesty and he he always says you can't fuck with the truth and like and he lived did and just watching him be that way made me want to be more honest and more truthful and i think sometimes i'll think that means i have to be honest and truthful like him. You know which is kind of like this like almost like a pimp honesty that he would kind of have when especially when it came to male female relationships. But that's not my truth. You know what i mean. That was his truth and it was well earned but my truth is different so i just have to but i but i still took the inspiration with like all right but be your truth. My truth is more like crying in front of a girl in just being vulnerable and stuff like that. And i'm sure patrice would have made fun of that but i think i think like that's how i'm more formidable when i'm living that true so i just i don't know i love patrice o'neal i loved watching that special so much. He so funny. And but yeah the truth thing is really what i just. I think we'll be my biggest takeaway from him and his legacy is just. It's it's it's always better. Just be honest and truthful. Yeah elliot chad. Who's your legend. The week So it's is more just sort of what happened yesterday. Afternoon analysis like on workout and i was going to do sprints prince at the hill I've been doing him so much that it's become kind of honest for me. It sure so. I did like once Up the hill. I was like i'm not feeling like and i've been trying to listen to my body like i'm not going to force them not not feeling this so i kinda just like took this moment of like what do i wanna. What is my like intuition. Telling me that. I want to do right now so i just walked a straight up. Just walked that walks. I walk up the hill. Unlike down and then like i found this football field with a track around it and it was close. I just hopped the fence sprints around the track and that listen to around perlman podcast just kept walking and it was like the best two hours ever. It was incredible. I i don't know why it was just like walking Back i was like that was amazing analysis of sort of like a like a breakthrough. Yeah sort of like outside. I'll just like when he started to like. Listen to you. Know your your body and what you. Sir intuition is telling you to that moment. You don't like four stings. That's one like the most incredible things in life happen. I think that's beautiful man. That's pretty nicer. yeah it was. I got back house. 'cause i was like i was just transplant laws. Not in a great mood nine. Just did that and it totally. I wasn't having a bad day. Totally just like may my day great cool. That's awesome. Do dutiful. Who's your legend league. I mean my legend the week. Is this week's guests. Ron perlman What what a fun guy to listen to. What a fun guide here. Talk with that voice. and just wouldn't amazing career. He's had like to to kind of started all Behind makeup the way that he did were kind of his big break was as click a caveman In the quest for fire and an end big role as as the beast on beauty and the beast which i contend like for every person who complains about wagga mask right now like this dude had to wear four hours of makeup every day for granted. He's being paid handsomely. I'm sure it was a network soap opera. Basically primetime soap opera but like bad dudes been in a had be uncomfortable way more than for sure just for having to wear face Between that and you know all his roles with a gamble del toro. he's in he's in pacific rim. Which we we quote all the time And he's in a great. If you don't know it. I'm gonna talk about micro to but like if you don't know the city of lost children the french film by jump here today. The guy did emily. Nice if you don't know that film like he he he's the star of the movie doesn't even speak french. Eddie's fucking jackson it's nineteen ninety five how old he was then forty five jack. He shortlist the whole movie so beast. Check it out for your fitness goals. Sons of anarchy all the all the stuff he's done it's just a. I'm glad you guys talked about dr. 'cause he's really good night to. I think his character is pivotal like that whole movie smooth sailing. That guy doesn't have. The embassy has yeah and puts things in motion that he does so i was watching quits to these like What fucking family is guys drivers kids. He's gotta go gotta go yes. So good My legend of the week is The boys so had a tough day yesterday. And i was feeling really out of sorts and just i wanted to wallow in my emotions but i was like i'll hop on the sticks. Play some call of duty got into some warzone action with gregg joe and ross gave them the rundown. They gave me some good life. Advice grounded an empathy and kindness and and strength and then we started bawling. Pick up a dub we get a quick dub. Everybody's feeling good. We're laughing the storm. Go then we get like a seventeen place. Then we get into another game. We get to final circle now. I m horrible in final circle any. It's come down to a one. V one to get the w. and warzone. I have come up short. And i've gotten melted me and joan rivers to other dudes. Joe takes them out. He takes joe. It's me and one other guy they're all like let's go you've got this guy jumps around the corner. I got my tricked out. Mac tan down. The boys went so ballistic for me. Like they were like par- you get a we could do you keep the russell's like you've become you were supposed to be let's go we also fired up and i was just like my body was on fire. I felt like i was shaking a shaking you shaking. I'm like dude. I'm gibbering all over like you deserve it. You deserve and we all could like clip it and we just went bananas and then we we run it back and we picked up a back to backed up. We had three dogs. They're dub. I didn't get the final kill but i was in final circle. We brought ross back final circle. There was a box there. He comes in roses a killer wipes four of them. And you know you gotta greg unbelievable tactical guy unbelievable comeback guijo same deal and then they're all amazing on the coms funded talk to. They can balance strat in conversation. But ross wipes everybody and then we get a third victory on the night and literally. It's what i needed. I was like i needed. This really helped me. You know like i know. It was huge. So thanks to the boys for being there. Always been on the sticks and and for not only being proficient with the with the lowdown but also being An proficient with the friendship. I appreciate it. Yeah it's good stuff chat. What's your quota the week So yesterday after starting masterclass on dog trainings guy brandon mcmillan and he goes the first step is all about trust without this essential element relationship with your dog. You cannot be ineffective trainer. nice Air what's your of the week. So my core of the week. Is ron ron perlman. Us being interviewed and be asked like if he was afraid. He's being typecast as a tough guy he says. I don't bear any label. I perform very extreme characters but at the same time. Men within enormous goodness take for example the hercules from the city of lost children which is better one he is a child was the characters name He's a child in adult body. One is pure simple and innocent by character in beauty and the beast had enormous generosity far from this world. the beast was too good to be real. It's true that. I hardly play ordinary people. Due to my appearance anyway i'm not a captive up captive any register. I don't systematically play tough. And not very bright people like myself for very demography and for being able to do all those rules. Australia is the vincent on getting the is like maybe the nicest characters ever been on film. You can't put in a box no micro. The week is from a pacific rim. But it's not one around perlman's lines at say idris elba and the final that he goes into the drift with. Forget the dude's name. Good looking like british guy. Australia got and they're talking about whether they're gonna be able to drift to drift here because your brain has to connect with another person so you can operate the kaija. These giant robot fighters and egypt salvator. And somebody goes and as for you while you're easy. You're an egotistical jerk with daddy issues. A simple puzzle is solved on day. One but you are your father son and anything. I forget the last time i know you'll fight well and then the kid goes works for me here. A bad ass. Very cool sweet chat. What's your faysal after it. It's give this symbol. Lumbar support air. What's your physically for going. After let's go shoot. Some chocolate nice mine is have trust. Got this of try. I think do i can't i can't fail. I gotta figure it out. I'll have not the should think about it that way but i can't let my insecurities dictate the outcomes of my relationships. So i'll i'll do it. I'll have trust. i think. A experiment with kerr week just completely letting everything go and whatever happens happens. I'm worried i'll like it'll cost me some like personal power. I won't feel strong. But what kind of strength is that if it's so fragile. So let's go. i think. That's i think that's stronger than trying to control it. I think you're right now. I'm going to. I'm going to drink a little bit today. And i'll feel better avi around. I'll be around me. I go yeah good stuff. Thanks guys. are we recording tomorrow scars on.

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Ron Perlman Returns

ID10T with Chris Hardwick

1:00:25 hr | 11 months ago

Ron Perlman Returns

"Walk into the anti ten, T podcast number ten, seventy nine. If you go to ten t dot com, you are very soon going to see. Some were opening a hole vintage. T shirt shop on there so I've several months ago. found a bunch of really great vintage shirts shirts that I'm. Really probably would own. The you have to, you have to go buy them. Please don't even more t shirts. I, just like this one I like this one I like this. No, though JJ Ninja Turtles. The I'll take that, too. But the plan was always to open a into shop, but it's real. Tempting 'cause I. Sure Love vintage. T shirts, so that will be. Dot Com in the next couple weeks, so go there for that. Sign up for our email list on there while you're there and we'll notify you of things in a not too intrusive fashion from time-to-time all right. Let's talk about you now. The t community in the Community Cork Board events at Ivytech Dot Com like bret who writes my band. Quixote project released an album last year with the fun theme. Our kickstarter offered a reward level where you give us any name ideas, and we will write you a song. The new album titled Namesake is the result of those. Those requests what started as jingle style songs turned into something far more personal as people are asking us to help, put words and music to the people that they loved. The style is folk music, but dips it toes into a reggae rock and other styles as the songs needed. We have not been able to go out and promote it. What with the global pandemic canceling live music events and we hope to get the word out. The music can be found on all streaming sites or check out our site at the Q. Key Music Dot Com. What a fun idea! Foot really really really great idea to to get people to give you stuff to write about that challenge I mean that's just a great thing for any writer of you know like. Whether it's comedy or novel or script or and music in your case, but if someone just. As you write, because sometimes the issue can be you. Go gotTA write about anything Bono to write about. It's sort of going to Google dot, com, and going I could search for anything I. Don't know what to search about and so you. So you're not too overwhelmed by the by the. Infinite choices than have someone sign you things. That's a great idea. Brett wonderful idea I will go check that out this event that ID's NT. Dot Com I said that it'd be getting, but I like to remind people there. You've been reminded. This episode is Uncle Ron Perlman. I like to call him. Uncle Ron I. Love Him. He's been on the podcast a bunch. It's always delightful when he's on. Is just such a great mix of. Fun, but serious and joking, and then honest and don't know I just really I love connecting with him. So anytime run once. Come coming about Jesse. Certainly can come on the podcast because I do think of him. His uncle Ron now he's promoting run with the hunted, which is on demand June twenty six. That is a film. Also another film called the big ugly, which is on demand, July thirtieth, and when I say on demand. I mean on all of the usual platforms. Where you get your content and you demand to get that content so there you go to movies within a month. Run with the hunted and the big. So this is the podcast number ten seventy nine with Ron Perlman and we're rolling the thing. Watch it. Roll here, roll watch role with your ears, because hearing is seeing with your auditory canals. Initiating Protocol. Fine if you don't, it's not. It's not It's not Christian with. The audio from this anyway all right cool, let's. Let's You don't see what I would have to. I. Mean I have. I have, but but just my underwear. Are You, are you? Are you safe for you home? Are you okay like it's? You know last time I saw you know we get to see each other in person those days. Seem like such a distant memory of being able to actually sit down across the table from someone. I mean I'm not sure I would. Go. For so far as to Sam safe. you know who really is of course that age you know. especially with all of our liberties stored. Expressing ourselves in social media. On never safe. Farm Sabres I've ever been, but I'm healthy and I'm happy knocking on woods. And I have been. Enjoying this this. This this kind of moment it. It appears never do this before, but I mean quarantining my thing. What did she could a quarantined years ago? We didn't know had I only known. I would've. I would've you know. The turns the only thing I need to come out for us to make a living. and. You know as as as. We. All are finding ways to do that for my house as well so I don't like Hanging around with people anymore. number one number two. I really love sitting around the house and doing. Absolutely fucking nothing so. I mean you know it's my party baby. I mean it there. There is a theory that's going around. That may be filmmaking. We'll just turn into. Like essentially solo performances in green screens that are just cut to get so. Yeah I. Mean that that's it's. It's Kind of. Concerning to see. I mean. The reason why we don't know the ashes. It is because. There's this is like the most unprecedented moment. No of anyone's maybe. Ever known history of the world. How it redounds to know how we can you know in various things that we took for granted? Is You know sort of sitting here on the sidelines watching every flail about. and tried to imagine. a world in which they can you know Resume. doing what they used to do without giving it a second thought. Has Been Really eye-opening as I mean. The hardest thing is just not knowing. It's just a big question marks of. Each of the each of the Gills have their own. Kind of concerns and rules and regulations, and of course the studios have their own concerns and rules and regulations and and Liability concerns you know it's it's. and. Then there's a you know like the the the the the doomsday kind of Crowd that always pops head up in almost like this, this is it'll never. It's never gonNA come back to normal, and you know it's like we may as well not even bother. You know if you can't do a love scene boulevard. So. Part of me is a sitting here kind of. Amused by the entertainment value at all and part of me sketch. Get I guess I just feel like at many times. In human history, there has been some type of event of an event that changed temporarily the way that I mean you know. There were massive plagues you know that wiped out and so but eventually. That was the MGM. That was before GM. That was Florence been invented yet. That's right I. Don't know my hope is that you start releasing a series of home karaoke videos that you find a way to just start releasing performances. In your in your home. You know Steve Wait a minute. Wait a minute of you've been hacking my emails. Are you GonNa do I wish you want. You now you talk about What is it when you give away too much information on a show that nobody has seen yet. Oh, yeah, spoiler alert! Spoiler. Alert I was looking for a really big announcement. We fucking blown it like Even get out of the gate I'm so sorry I. You know like I shouldn't pitch ideas until the end of the show, so that way we talked about. Everything is okay if we haven't talked about the thing and I'm going to pitch. Something, you know the Home Taraoke, you think. That was a great idea, but this plenty more where that came from so. That might have been in. It might have peaked. I might have peaked in the first ten minutes that you don't you worry about. Tau Is plenty more. I. Don't know why if you if you. Steve Jones whose guitarist for the sex pistols? Has instagram feed, and he plays songs in his like he plays in his shower. Because the acoustics are really good, we'll just take the guitar and there and just start you know playing and singing songs and I. Don't know I just think. You know like a visual tour of the permanent state might be a fun. You know you do one song over here. One Song over there one song in the kitchen, one song in the yard, one song and the out well Steve Steve actually might be onto something by playing in the the bathroom on his electric guitar. But. T unlike me doesn't do it with water running. Which adds a whole element of of you. Know the snuff out idea of like you know. auto elect electoral, or what whatever it's called when you when you get. A last moments. Of So that's that's an idea that I'm running through my people. I mean do. Did you have stuff? In real about to start shooting anything when everything happened or were you? Were you on a break anyway? I'm in the middle of one. I'm in the middle of of a rather large Probably forty percent of the way shot. And I was just about to get on a plane to resume my portion of the shooting Toronto. When either came down that they were. Putting a temporarily. At that time that was march some sometime in mid March. Yeah, they were hoping for a two-week rate You know that was that hope for went by the wayside rather quickly. and they're hoping now for resumption. But it's. September! Yeah, that's that's the day that the type of temper that I. Keep hearing as well that people are going well September September September and Yeah I mean hopefully that's the case and hopefully they'll figure out ways to I mean. This the social distancing element though not only is going to inform how things are shot, but I think it will largely inform story going forward I mean. How could it not right if you have to? If, you have to physically put people not in proximity to one another. How could it not inform the story? Is there a way to race although surgical masks in post? There probably is I'm sure. James Cameron could do it. I'm sure I L. M might be working on some little APP right now that basically just. Basically just put a mouth in over the mask or we just or or maybe this is just a year where people just have masks and things, but don't reference it. An audience audiences just go well. We just know that everyone. That's just kind of the way the world is now. Maybe it's just a thing that we ignore who knows. Every time I go out to the store. And you know you see like every strata of society. La has been pretty good about in La Right now. La's been pretty good about the wearing of the masks and complying with La Proper. I'm not sure about what what happens when you get out of the city limits, I, think is somewhat different, but. people have been really really complying here and and. Being very good citizens. And But you see everything from like hip hop stars. To. Septuagenarians to Get everything in between. All wearing different kind of face adornments. Just like is a new form of expression. The Lily it's also. It's fashion. It's expression. It's I mean you know like. If these things are basically just there, it's they're well. They're not just accessories, actually their necessities. You know it's the first time in nine. It's something was required like you really need to wear this. People in surgical. Go Masks. You know who were just like what long for. There was even the notion of a corona virus. Just. Just for the heck of it to protect themselves. And the kind of Rancor that just kind of like was brewing inside of me by saying Jesus Christ. Don't you realize you're GONNA fucking die anyway? And so. This thing with people are wearing surgical masks. And that's. Completely overwhelmingly the new normal. Is It's it's it's it's an. It's just another form of self, Amusement Chris. Well we all I mean listen. We have all had to find ways. In the past three months, I mean three months over three months now. It feels like everything before March. Thirteenth was a year ago. You know like it just feels like it was. It was so long ago and I even. I'll be watching movies in or even commercials you know where people are all like crowding into a thing or flooding into an area and I'm like Oh. My God that's right. We used to be able to do that. Like it was a lifetime ago. I don't know. Are you feeling that you know There's a kind of a I feel it in me. You know I'm relaxing the the care that I was putting into this initially. Just. Kinda relaxing I think. Me Being a native new. Yorker and watching the way Cuomo deftly. Managed. What was a nightmare situation into something that? Reflected what can happen when this great leadership? And, but but it was a signal like okay. You know You know it's time to to resume. It's like this is time to like. START RELAXING Transitioning into. A. Return to some sort of the societal non-social social distancing reality. And I I realize I'm a I'm putting myself in danger by even having that entrance of my consciousness because. numbers Anneli counter going up in. Numbers! States are higher than they've. Ravenna an emmy. It's. It's it's. It's a conundrum friend. It's a real head scratcher this. Yeah I. Mean It is, it is just a wait and see, and that's unfortunate. Because you know, is a we. We like to convince ourselves that we have these little bubbles of certainty that we live in, and then something comes along, and it's like Oh. Yeah, nothing is really certain. You know you don't know I mean definitely has. Certainly made its sort of making people. In sort of think about what's important and what's important in life and balance, and you know not Not Not not putting all of your eggs in a basket of like Oh i. don't i. don't exist. If I'm not working all the time room, not out doing stuff all the time or not outgoing places all the time I mean we just I've just had to kind of sit with ourselves. And you know, and hopefully reflect, and as I've said since the START I hope we come out the other side. More appreciative and kinder and more balanced, and you know all those things that you hope for. You bound to have some sort of a a a a a major. Conscience consciousness shift. in the early stages of recovery I just hope that the things that you're supposed to take away from opportunities like this because you know. For me, everything is an opportunity. To? If this is what I'm supposed to do now. If I'm supposed to sit around. And listen to the sound of my arteries hardening. And Strip myself bear of the things that I normally measure my you know. The the stent meter on. You know my quality of life meaning. You know I'm working. I'm pulling money You know traveling all of those things by which you measure yourself. Normal! Set of circumstances have have been ripped ripped from you. And you are forced to go inward, and you're forced to I. mean those of us who are lucky enough to be able to? Financially. Make it through I. Mean That's one thing you know. Imagine the challenge of like people who were living paycheck to paycheck and had no cushion. And that the you know and. The little you know like. Minimum wage gig that they had or decent wage gig ahead, but not enough to you know, retire with dignity is pulled away from them. You know Those was life and death. Most people are like you're dealing with kind of mental health challenges that I can't even begin to imagine so let's just talk about you may No, no, you're right, though you a and and it's not only. Is it heartbreaking, but also the idea of. The the sort of Interesting issue of the mental health is will there be like a mental health crisis by the time you know, are we in the midst of one, or will it not? Hit until afterwards of This sort of the trauma of this particularly with you know being isolated or like what you're talking about, if people's livelihoods just evaporated immediately. And how are they going to survive? And how are they getting through I? Mean it is. It is a traumatic event and I and I really hope that. I really hope that there is a focus on mental health public mental health You know emerging from this because I think people are going to need you know like trying to as much as everyone wants to jump back into the world and get back. We just really you know we want. That I think we have to be mindful that it's it will be a little bit of a process an adjustment a readjustment period when that's allowed, and you know hopefully we will be. Talking and taking mental health very seriously because this this is affecting me. It's affecting the whole world. The whole world. So that's the other thing that's unprecedented is that? There's no border. There's no strata. There's no station in life. There's no. There's no place that safe from when mother. Nature Decides to descend upon you. and Express yourself in ways of great dismay disdain, but you let when you were the last time you were on. You already seem to have a really good attitude about life and work and everything and you know you said you. You like to work with fun you. You know like it was a blast that you got to do it. There was some things you still wanted to do, but ultimately you know your family and. Your values seemed pretty aligned. It's it doesn't sound to me like. You had to win quarantine hit. Go Bike. Maybe I really need to rethink. By values, it sounded like they were already kind of focused on your family first and then the career stuff was all just Kinda gravy. Yeah, but it's a beautiful kinda gravely. I mean I I know that is all true reached a point in my life where? When forced into a situation like this where there is no external. animating factor. I'm just fine. You know I'm I'm I've really been going? Get going through this with a great deal of. Positive Liberty and joy and catching up on some stuff books in movies and TV things that I kept putting off putting off I'm having a great time doing it, but the gravy part is still very much At work you know in my. Inner inner turnings and rumblings. And I'm still constantly. Try to engage in projects that that float my boat and and titillate me and and make me. Bound out of bed in the morning. and so It's a good place to be because The fire is still very much lit, but the need for it is diminished greatly. and. So that's that's a good combination. I'm very happy to Bro. I'm glad to hear that really, am I? Mean you know I? It's it's kind of strange to think that. I started coming on these podcast many years ago and it just you. You've always been so gracious and some fund and so funny and you know I. I. Think I jokingly called you uncle Ron the less severe on your uncle run, but I kind of think of you that way like Oh ron coming back on, it'd be great to catch up with him. It's been a while you know. And I think. I'm proud to be uncle run. talked to some year, influential friends and have be bear ruggles soup for crying out loud, I mean. Everyone's around people could just start. Runs on. I would not mind going out that way Uncle Ron. Lived a great life Bubba Let's not get ahead of ourselves ahead of ourselves, but plenty of I wouldn't mind spending the the the the last forty years of my life. you know as being uncle to the world? That when D- have you had sort of a pattern aura of. Have you created a home structure in quarantine? Do you get up at the same time every day? Do you kind of? Did you sort of build something that sort of felt like a structure to occupy your time, or can you just sort of sit around and go moment to moment? It's more the latter very very. I mean you know I still I'm not sleeping in like you. Think I I if I went back to my original way, which was to? Go to bed at four o'clock in the morning and wake up at eleven thirty am I haven't done that in years, nor has that kind of kicked back in. You know under these circumstances in other words. I'm finding reasons to get out of bed. Catch up on what's going on the world. Find out who I am within the Malays. How maybe I could be helpful. Check in with my friends. do my little home version of trying to stay in shape. so I'm filling up the time, but it, but it's in like I'm Gonna I'm GonNa. Do all of those things when I want how I want to? And there's really no structure other than the complete like okay. What's next? It's kind of. Very Organic 'cause it's it's it's. It's not imposed. Not It's not Free preconceived it's. Happening as it happens, which is which is also when you know quite. Refreshing. And yeah. That's that you answer your question. Yes, but what advice do you have for people as uncle run. What advice do you have for people who? are having a hard time dealing without structure. I mean like some some people really do rely on. They just need to know where to go and what to do. You know from eight to eight and without. Without anything without a job or without someone saying okay here from this time to this time and do this and turn this enemy. Obviously people are some people are managing to work from home, but. Is there any sort of I don't know SP-? You know good life slash spiritual advice. You would give to people who are struggling with the lack of structure that they might have in their lives. Listen I mean you know everything that I say? As frightened like something. You'd find a a really shitty Chinese restaurant fortune cookie. you know the ones that say Life is great. That's not a fortune. Something you stuck in a cookie. But I don't remember your question, Chris but I know is really no I think I remember it. Listen I I feel like. Touched on this earlier you know, I think that. Everything is challenging. Is An opportunity to add another layer of greatness. To your arsenal. Of, how you navigate through this life. And the more challenging. The greater the opportunity. now. The caveat being if you're living paycheck to paycheck, and you don't have any resources I. Don't know what Saudi I. Just crazy you. I hope you figure out a way to stay safe and. Keep, groceries coming in, keep a roof over your head, but. You know. Aside from that In terms of Being someone who has relied on external. Things to. Provide them with a schedule You wake up when you have your three meals off What you? What? What kind of free time you have what you do with that? Sleep at you know. And then all of that is kind of like cold out for Monday you. This is the opportunity to find out what it is. You think that's truly important in this life. One of the causes. What of the values whatever things? Whether it's not entrenching yourself deeper in family whether it's entrenching yourself deeper in some sort of. Philosophical saying that you always wanted to you know become adept at, but never had the chance whether it's Writing your own scripts rather than depending on the outset in other words, you know turning inward and and. Not leaving the room? On so you've answered the question like what floats my boat. Now that I have all this opportunity to pursue that. How can I you know, make every single day a chance to get closer to the things where ultimately I will find my bliss. and. That, that'd be my my my my recommendation. I mean it's a good one because so much of the time, especially in the in a pre corona world, because of all of the things that there were in the world in the outside world to distract us. You know you just sort of you kind of just get on auto pilot you go, go, go, go go, and it's easy to just it's easy to forget why you're. Go going all the time, and then all of a sudden. You can't and you're right you're you have to turn inward and really ask yourself. Really. Ask yourself questions now. It's not an easy process and I'm certainly not saying it's a simple thing to do. But. Taking that opportunity and trying to explore some of those ideas and explore some of those bigger philosophical things that you probably didn't really have the opportunity to think about before it is it? It is an interesting. It's an interesting concept because. I just feel like it's not something that a lot of us really had the time to do before. So, it'd be interesting to see if on the other side of this of a lot of people completely. have vocation changes because like. Oh, I realized I actually didn't even like the thing I was doing before, so I started this new thing. This was an opportunity to. You know. 'cause people change like the things you started doing when you were younger, you may not be into anymore. And a lot of times those things that they were making a living at even even though they're whether they were happy or unhappy at it for just coasting or just doing it to keep you know, rent paid. Those things a lot of them are going to go away, and then you go out into the street and drive up down. Your favorites thoroughfare realize the venerable chain stores chain businesses that have gone on to. you know. Bonnie's. Gone on the NEIMAN's gone under fear one in. That just driving down the road, just going my God if there was ever a signal. To like create a a a world for yourself. You take nothing for granted where you Appreciate every single. Good thing that you have in your life because there's nothing that's guarantee and There's no promise tomorrow with regard to things that. You depend on interfacing with. You know that's what we're seeing and you know It's it it's it's a wakeup call for real, but it's also the opportunity to be a great wakeup call for those who choose to say okay well shit man, you know. Everything's gone Why don't I figure out really what I WANNA? Do and make it happen. And I have certainly have the time you know I certainly not any better off or worse off than anybody else by. Completely starting from scratch goes. All of us are unemployed. I mean you know there? Are there like you say? They're a huge massive people that are working from home. But as a huge a huge mass that's not. And you know, not In the essentials a column. Have you written anything in quarantine? Have you have you decided to have? You tried to create something in quarantine? If you felt creative in that way, or are you just sort of? Are. You just kind of letting it. Go and letting it flow and letting it be. No I'm this a few projects that That have I'm not I? I can't right I can't write to the. Rape Failing of mine because I'm. I'm. There's nobody who appreciates. A. The written word more than me and yet I've been deprived of being able to be a guy. Ride really good. Emails and Grocery lists. And occasionally a decent tweet, but if it's over one hundred forty characters. You've gotTA call somebody else. Get it, but there's a lot of great ideas that have come through That I'm I'm working on advancing There's a couple of projects of mine. That I've been. Working on advancing and figuring out like what once when when we can jump. Back into things You know trying to have things that already. so yeah I've been creatively very very active and. Happy at that. But also It's it's. It's a kind of satisfaction that comes from the fact that I'm working on things that. That Fascinate me. You know that are not. Simply things that I feel like I'm going to be a good career. move or a good money play. You know these things that like. Are. Actually enriching. and. Is is really cool. There's no guarantee that we get done, but you know I've I've come to find out if the process the results is is, is way overrated? The journey the process of working on things that you love that is where all of the joy comes from You know when it's over red whether whether it was well received. Not You just gotTa go. On is now do I this. Yeah Oh my God I. You know it's the idea of the result being overrated. that. Is such an important thing for people to absorb because we get so goal driven, and then you sort of forget like well I. Think a goal is really just a direction it's it's just it's just something to aim at, but it's like the thing itself that result. You're right because number one. You can't control how the result turns out. You can't control how it's received. You know you don't even really feel it for more than a half a second once you've completed the thing you know and and you're. You're absolutely right focusing. Focusing more on the journey of getting there, that's that's where all the the meat lies, but we just seem so focused on no that thing that thing I need to acquire that thing and we really need to be focusing more on like what is this? What is this trip? We're taking along the way and what is in making of us, and what are we? What are we learning? You're right, you'd. The result doesn't necessarily teach you that much of anything. It's just sort of like A. It's a check box to mark off. You know in our business Results of things are so Skewed toward a non realistic reality. You know the perception of what's what's hot, and what's not the perception of what's good and what's not the perception of what's commercial and what's not what's going to make money was not what's GonNa. Put you into that. Higher percentile of of of of actors or performers, all writers, singers or Comedians, or whatever whatever it is, choose choose to. Do you know that's GonNa? Put you in that new strata that's GonNa make you busier and more on demand richer and all the things you know. The the the set of values the dictate. Your success with relation to what I, just kind of listed off. Is Bullshit I. Mean this complete fucking. And and you know when you you talk about worshipping false idols. I mean you know things that pass for? A success. Are As as as fleeting NS. paper-thin as they've ever been in the history of the world. And so if you're if you're going to, you know. Yeah, it's really great when the when society moves you along and gives you a greater audience and a greater influence meter a greater. Number attached to each job you do you know is great? Don't get me wrong I'm not I'm not, but I'm also saying. If you. If you are aiming for. A that kind of if you're if you're engineering your life. And aiming for the kind of success that society as deemed you know, hip and cool. you know. What you finish the sentence Chris I. CAN'T I think it's because you. You said. It's paper-thin thing so you're aiming for an empty thing. It's an empty thing that is built on. Because I know exactly I know exactly what you're saying what you're talking about because if you're going for the acclaim and the all that stuff, you're talking about the fame level or whatever. It's not about you. That's how others perceive you, so you're basically chasing other people's perceptions of you in elevated way, and that's kind of an empty pursuit, because it's not because that doesn't make about you, or your passions are, and I do find that the most interesting careers of the ones where people's career Zigzag and they take interesting turns, and then you go. Oh, I think they just were really interested in this. This thing and not all of it made a ton of money, and not all of it was noticed, and not some of it was shit on, but when you Kinda look back at the tapestry of what made their career. You really see this beautiful interesting journey that was sort of a personal diary of who they were, and not you don't want the diary of who you are to be chasing fame. That's gross. because. It doesn't mean anything you know. I think when people do try to pursue that, and then they get it. It! They get depressed because it's not what they thought. It was because again. The result isn't. It's not the result shouldn't be the goal you know so I. Hope I hope I did I hope I said that the right way? Does that some of that? I hope you did to. because. You know you're my nephew when I'm. Very very hopes for you by the way as a proud nephew I do have to say to movies coming out run promo into movies in a month of each other within a month. Run with the hunted coming out June, twenty six, and the big ugly, coming out joint forty thirty I. 's Yup Yup. Yup I you know, and this is the other thing that you really really must bear in mind Christmas that if you live long enough, all of your competition dies, and you get to work more often. Yes. So. That's every play. In my case. Totally totally. So, run with the hunted is June twenty six. And then later, the big ugly as well we'll be available everywhere on demands joy thirty I that that's a whole show by the way Chris About the devolution of the. Receiving process of cinema. And It was already completely gone to shit before the virus, but now there's this excuse to not go to the theaters anyway. I mean we were all headed toward. You know if I can't get it in my living room. Why Bother! You know, but that's that's. That's a whole different discussion. Well, it is because it. They're. They're already was sort of I. Feel like there was sort of A. Spoken and maybe not as much spoken. I! Don't know if it's a it was a joke or an idea of like. If you're not making like a superhero movie, why bother putting it in the theater? That before all of this happened. Because you know, there are those movies that feel like. Oh, they're event movies and you need to see it on the big screen. And then there's and then there's stuff where I guess. People just feel like I. Don't really need to leave my house. You know and now people are like I can't really leave my house, or maybe it's not a you know made was was trending toward? You know What with the advent of Netflix and Amazon prime, and now who and the? Apple all of these things that are delivery systems straight to your living room. It was trending toward Everything going that way anyway and the and the you know whereas whereas. They started out as as being kind of poor relations to of the big studios, putting out near there, the big studios net putting out the the best ship with the best talent all the way from writers directors producers to actors, etc.. And so. That's where we're headed You know this notion of how you know you and I grew up where you know you if if some movie. It comes out on a certain date Go find out what theater is is playing a you and you go see it. If you're as old as I am. you are mourning the death of. What I just described because it's no longer. A thing. It's no longer thing and the only way it's thing is if you make such a big ten coal movie. And you can have fifty million dollars worth of advertising in your budget. an order to get people to leave the house. Go the theater. because. They have just been. Whipped into a frenzy. They gotta go see this. That's the only that's the only way that happens I. You I do have this hope that. When it is okay for everyone to flood theaters again that people are going to. Because, it's been taken away for so long I really do think people will miss it. I think people will be eager to be able to get together in groups and have these kind of shared communal experiences because we haven't really had the option to do that in so long, so I I hope you're right because some of my greatest. Greatest Greatest Memories a at the end of a really challenging day or a bad day or a day. We got some bad news is. You know you take your girlfriend or your significant other or your kids and you go buy some popcorn. A dog sitter just like. Laugh your ass off or. Have your mind blown by great. You know thought and imagery in and sings that art form of value. and. so I hope you're right, I just you know. Be a great shame. and. You'd think of it as you know. People don't know something. Don't Miss It. But guys like me. Who Knew it? really miss so I hope it come I hope you're right I'll come back. In a big way and redefines itself in non gets a really great footing back in in. The things that we cherish. Because you know the whole conversation. We've been having so far as I would imagine that part of. the return to. Whatever the new normal is GonNa do is. Is. Making sure that we have. Come to terms with the things that are really important that we really cherish. And making them part of our everyday lives you know. Instead of a just. You know kind of walking around like automatons and assuming that all that's going to be done for us. Yeah, I hope I. Really do hope it is appreciation for. People and experiences and shared communal experiences over things you know over things and status or whatever I mean it's. Because you know we're all we've got. So Nido things can come and go, but you know the people. The people in your lives at the. I don't know it's. In those shared communal experiences to like I, really I am a homebody, and my wife and I don't mind being at home like you never had to twist our arm to not go anywhere. But you know like being in a comedy club like I really miss seeing a bunch of being in a group of people and watching people, laugh and sort of have a shared experience and. You know like it's that I do think that is important for human beings, because we're communal like I I don't think we're supposed to be isolated creatures I. Think we are supposed to have shared. Experiences and so I do believe that. When! It is buying large allowed again in when it's okay I, do think there will be a resurgence of that after probably some initial agoraphobia because we I think on a cellular level. We crave it. So true so true, and this is why we love our sports and we love our. Our concert halls and we love our theaters. We love you know we love places where we can be. Part of this. CRAZY FRENZIED Communal excitement about something and looks at the to your left there look to the right and go. Isn't this fucking blowing? Yeah, I mean you know I know I mentioned this always when you come on the podcast when I think about those old days of going to the brass monkey, and seeing you get up and do Karaoke and you know like just. Just even that idea like Oh, man! That was such a I. I hope I didn't take that for granted. All those things were just felt so like. Let's go. Let's go to carry out tonight. Whatever you know. That just felt so disposable like we can do this. It's no big deal you know in our go. My God it'd be so much fun. The go to Karaoke place and everyone. Get up and do songs and kind of encourage each other and. Laugh and be able to hug like I like that stuff. and. I know it will come back and and I. Just I hope that when it does that, we remember we take a pause and just remember like this is these are the sweet re beautiful moments of life where we get to come together? We have the privilege to come together to do these things as a as a group, and and celebrate each other, and you know like I. I do I do miss that stuff. Which is why Ron Perlman's home karaoke show is going to tide me over until this is all over while I won't be the same as if you see it in a bar Nella no. an you know you've got some Aso China, six out show and Felix Alexia left some fallen off a barstool. Maybe. The Fun I mean I could probably figure out how to get that in to my home. Version some. I have. Friends who are happy to fall for bars still. Time. You know we could cut it together in a way like if you've got a couple of different people and Zoom Zoom. You could sort of cut it to where you're kind of like. Nodding to different people in the quote Ruma, and then we just sort of cut in like the guy falling off the still at the Bar, a guy passing out at a table, no two people arguing the bacteria. We cut all that together right. Oh, yeah! there. We have people. Is there anything you know I kind of I have like I've enjoyed kind of ending the. podcast episodes on. You know the most hopeful note possible for folks you know supposed. Come to the wrong guy. I don't believe that. Not Higher I believe it I believe you're Optimus, I believe that you believe in the good of everything and I know that. I know that I do believe I think you. You seem like a hopeful person like you hope for the best for for the world. What it! What are you hopeful about now? What's bringing you joy? Joy. Jesus. Joe a what's bring me joy. You know I I can't. I can't characterize. the overriding. Sentiments. Of anything good. You're taking out obese times as joyful because there's just there's just too much reckoning That's happening right now. Right, but the what's going on the streets? You know reckoning of before hundred years. No original sin and What's going on politically and you know how how? Toxic and poisonous. the division is between those who think one way in most of the think a different way. and then of course, the corona virus and You know. You, interesting nothing, but sobering statistics the numbers are. Truly staggering missing. A moments in our in our in our. political history where you finally have nobody at home. To deal with the problem, you know they're not just asleep at the wheel. There is no real. so Unfortunately I next time I come on I hope I have a joyful assessment of what the takeaway from this, but but maybe the joyful assessment is that. In the same way as we started out the conversation now what three four hours ago your least? Everything is an opportunity to be better. And If you don't. If you look at. The world that way. That you'd like all of the things that I just kind of listed Have have have. Have a risk kind of Mega gravitas to them. But if you don't sell cake, is that's the hand doubt? How do I go all in and win the pot? And there's a way to do that. You know it just depends on. What your attitude is in what energy you're willing to apply, and so the joy of it all is that we have is opportunity right now. To Six of stuff. And make a better world way for kids. and. I'm sorry that was I wished. I had a better answer for what is a beautiful answer. Actually it's an it's an honest answer, and you know my apologies if the question was even idiotic to begin with I, just I. You know for people who feel overwhelmed to feel. Overstretched emotionally and sort of you know maybe just looking for nuggets of you know something hopeful to to grasp onto a time you know of. Of. You know everything that's going on in the world these last three months and I think the idea of. Can we make a better world for our kids is an incredibly hopeful. Enjoy a sentiment and so. You Know I. Don't think you need to say like I'm sorry. That wasn't more driving. That was a beautiful answer. Thank you man? Thank you. You're you're? You're my favorite nephew? I. You'll always get your assets and I love it I. Love that about you. Will I know because it's you know I. Don't know I just. I've just always kind of felt like A. That guy I I love that guy by get to see that guy more often. You know like there's whenever it comes up that. You WanNa come on the podcast. I'm always excited because I don't know like I. I always feel enriched by our conversations. They're fun and they're silly, and they're serious and authentic with philosophical at the same time, and and so yeah I don't. I don't know I never all I know. Is that every time I? Sit Down with you. Just expect like it's GonNa be fun and interesting, and enlightening and I don't know I i. really enjoy our talks. It would be fun to have talks. Maybe even not on the PODCASTS. Sometimes just checking everyone's hey, who run how you doing what's going on what what's on your mind? Listen I remember when. I got invited to the nervous for the first time, and I had the embarrassingly. Get the balls to ask some my nearest and dearest PODCAST IN Is it a real thing? I didn't I had no idea what a podcast was. I imagined some sort of like. You know horror movie with these things that gave birth to Mutated like you know Village? Brian Right right right right now came out of some pod. People there was a there was a there was a movie about that wasn't the? Camera of about there's a whole whole genre movies about that. Yeah, pod! People felt that way in the early days that it felt like we were when people didn't the exact thing. They didn't know what a podcast was. It felt like we were pitching them pod people. They're like what is this? What's yeah, but we go that far back? Where first of all very I? Quote Unquote podcast I was on. was thanks to your gracious invitation on the noticed. And which leads to a series of beautiful revisitation? For the two of US but You know I don't WanNa make news but I think about to launch my own friends. So what Oh my God! This is great because I poked at you about that the last year. I'm like you should do podcasts. You're like I. Don't I. Don't know like it, it you seem. You seem like you kind of waffling about it, so this is this is really. This is really terrific. Terrific news interesting but found out. You can do it from your house. You don't have to put on fats, so you do not have to know. You can just do it in a robe like you could. Just you could just lie in Bet. You can wake up in the morning. Hit record on the things still lie in bed and technically do a podcast. You you you live in. A row or nothing at all, you could do it in nothing at all. However, because it's just audio, only there are some video podcast, but I really like the audio podcasts. Yeah, I like to mix it up. I, think my my podcast is going to be one with absolutely no format. where you, you'll never be able to categorize What what is it the fuck? This guy's going to do. So It's GonNa. Be Any and I'm going to have a name. I do have a name and we're really making news now because this is like. This is not been announced on any level whatsoever. But it's called without the bird seed around from podcasts. Fantastic. Fantastic I'm glad you're doing this. I'm glad you're doing well. And I'm glad that you are maintaining well in. You know in just. The state of the last three months, and being lated and still finding you know. Still finding things to do and and I just appreciate your on prominent I. Really Do and you're alive present anytime I. Appreciate how far back we go and the fact that we're still kicking and we got so much more to do in say. Big Hug Christie Big Hug, big hunter you to Uncle Ron. I hope to talk to you soon. Run with the hunted is on demand June, twenty six, and the big ugly is on demand, July thirty first so yeah, I, I hope to see in person some day soon and give you a big Hug man absolutely. Regards got everybody brother us well take care. Bye Bye? I need gaining complete.

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058 Are you saying Elephant?

Snarf Talk

2:38:01 hr | 1 year ago

058 Are you saying Elephant?

"Food and here we are again Arado SNARF his back. We have a special guest. That isn't so special anymore. The do do not be special anymore. Yeah you really aren't special. Well you were like the first four times you're on we were like. Would we have a guest now. It's it's just like well dude crawled back into the year back into the video. We got a new setup here today. Frankly it's a lot better it is. That's better table. Yeah it's a much better table rickety. There's no big metal thing and I don't know why they made that table that we had before for it's just a regular foldout white table right but it has this What what would you even call it? It's like a full Dow. It's an I metal. I don't know what Ooh No. It's not telling you it's definitely not for anything board telling you. I don't think it's an irony web but it looks like one of those grill things like those grill. Yeah stainless steel girl things. You can put on there for vegetables with the holes in it. You know that's what it looks like to me serves absolutely no purpose because you can't prop it up it. It doesn't like standup flat. Yeah you know what really stretches my springs Chris that day stupid ass tables. That don't let you do what you want. And it has a little metal thing thing on the side. I got one for such things. Can I finish one real quick. Though I had a stretches my springs that was about holding doors open many episodes ago Mike. Yeah I hold the door open for a one Chris Harford and you know what he does when he walks through it puts his hand on the door. As if I'm not capable of holding your door for Chris and like you said on the pot guests. It's because I it's like a patriarchal thing or like I'm challenging your masculinity and you you can hold your own door. Yeah and you did it to me and I called you out immediately. I said you know that really stretches by springs Chris. I didn't even notice. I know you did it. Do like whatever her I thought it was. Thank you nothing nothing it was just like. I'M GONNA put my hand on the door because I don't respect you. That's pretty much right up. We went to to Mojo's we did go to mojos but this was coming out of the movie theater yes we went to see star Star Wars skywalker again with our wives and went to Mojo's we did an. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie the second time I liked it. Better the second and I'm sure we'll talk about it later because do doesn't really bad a chance. Give his review yet. Dude was at the first showing for screening. We went to. I haven't heard you heard. Would that podcast yet. But I'm sure it becomes out tomorrow. It came out last Friday. Yeah but no it comes out tomorrow. Yeah but when this uh-huh Yup imagine what stretches your springs. Kate everybody has occurred. Probably remember separate crest. He has a highbrow Kirk. Kurg Berg yes. He's got the fancy Ninja Bar. I got the George Clooney. Oh you do have an espresso espresso. So not really stretches springs when people take a Little Cup out instead it next to the current instead of walking across the kitchen and put it in the garbage right. I used to have one of those. I completely agree with you. I and I love it. Didn't they come with the machine because people weren't buying the pots saw Springs is when somebody takes. What are the Capos sits down? The next person comes behind them and takes another one instead. Sit on top. It's like impossible across the kitchen. The throwing the hell away. That sounds terrible. Get up closer or more gain than boosted posts. Okay but but I need it for this but now that really stretches my spring and I've been wanting to say that a lot I would completely. I agree with you that it would. Yes more than stretch my springs so coffee related springs stretching none the less. I also have my what stretches my springs. Is this Bresso because the pods cost a dollar twenty a piece. And there's not any generics yet really. There's no generics for that machine for that particular model. has its own different kinds of pod. Wow how so you can even use any other model espresso. No that's that is straight capitals. Yeah it's crazy so is it worth it. No Oh no but I get it as a gift so I mean you like the coffee though. I'm a really good coffee or is Business Brussel either they have different sized pods and then the actual war machine itself reads a barcode on it so it knows how much water to mix for for that particular pot eyebrow they have little espresso pods and they have a regular cup of Coffee Pot and they actually have travel mug pods so you get different size ponds and but you have to spend a different amount of money for each one. I don't know I've only really got the regular size vans and usually just run them through twice gives me like sixteen ounces. That's what what I used to do with keurigs. Honestly it's fine. It's fine and the coffee is is really really really good so I can't complain about that at all. Just just bugs me when I know I'm paying so much for expensive. coffees like expensive whiskey. Once you start drinking you can't go back the cheap shit. I don't know if that's true because I definitely drink a Casey's dark roast coffee not all day long. I can drink that. I really like the Arrow press. Oh yeah it's good stuff though you can take much work work a little bit of work that same thing as a French press pretty much similar. It's similar to assign to be like a simpler because I the French Press and I love it but it's very time consuming consuming. What instant gratification I know? That's the thing yeah. I don't think it's that messy it is I mean it's more messy than regular coffee pot and it is a little bit more time consuming but man. I only do it like on the weekend. I wouldn't do it like when I'm on my way to work because I wake up with very little time to get ready to go to work so I don't use it that often but when I do even like junk coffee it makes it taste a thousand times better than that. If it's brewed correctly you know the pot and all that hot and we'll see this is just a to with a precedent but at the bottom is a screen filter paper filter and a screw on cap. You you put your. I put all my stuff in. I do it upside down. I do it a reverse way. So I put the plunger and I flip it upside down put all my coffee grinds in there and then the water and I feel it all the way up to the top and then I put the filter and cap on the end flip it over and push it into the coverage through But I let it sit in there for like thirty thirty seconds. The big thing is getting the temperature of the water correctly. Yeah because if you have a pre wet your grounds yes very important it is looming. preheat the two. Because you lose your temperature when you pour it through the filters but it's really great coffee. I think and I do it if you do it. Just once it's super strong and then you add water to that To make it however whatever strength you want but I would do it twice for a big Cup of coffee and then add water to it. It's like perf everytime perfect everytime six percent off coffee toy. That's coffee. Talk on SNARF talk but anyway I like that a lot and where do we go to next we. You don't have anywhere to go. We're in the wild west here. I Love Coors Light. Oh middle of the road. I'm drinking a little more. Delo speciale special about it. I don't know for those who don't speak Spanish. That's what that stands for. uh-huh is it special. Yeah no it just tastes like Miller lite. Does it pretty much. I've never really. I have drank Mondello Delo before but now it's like A. It's just a crisp clean light. Beer okay I like coors light occasionally but it's a little all sweet for my taste. It is very aftertaste. You're right. It's a lot sweeter than other beers. What do you think makes what is what is that is it just there? It's the mountain water. I think they probably have sugar to it. We'll do you think it's the type of grains they're using. They have a different mix of rain. They use smash actually. I think this stuff's Bruton Saint Louis Cores light coors. It's no way no regional breweries like negative the the Budweiser Brewery Brews In Saint Louis. We'll do rolling rock. They do Madonna del. They do several different kinds of do shop. Shop Chop shop talk to do this once. Brewed Mexico Dude says brewed in Mexico. I believe it's yeah and I don't believe that for a second because that's not how it works. Pretty Shirt is banded. Didn't sacrifice things for that to be brewed. And say what did he go to Texas. He thought he went to thought he went to Colorado Texas. He was he was bringing it back to Texarkana he went to Texarkana then came back. I thought he was delivering it. East of the Mississippi was he went to Texarkana Texas picked. Picked up came back. Yeah but Texarkana is east on. Timmy kilmer Mississippi a thousand and once Ovalles. But I always thought the thing thing was like you went out to Colorado to get because it was only brewed and distributed from Colorado. And then you brought it back to the east coast only for sale of the west of the Mississippi Right. Yes that that was the big gimmick just like Blue Moon for a long time only get it in certain states now gangly England. You can't get that's only southern southeastern no. You can't get anywhere like in the end. It's up to the Indiana border. Now it's in Indiana. You guys cores light. is brewed in Golden Colorado. Albany Georgia elkton Virginia. Fort Worth Texas irwindale California mocked optum and Milwaukee. There you go. Wow I missed it by one. St Joe Saint Louis but Milwaukee make sense because it's owned by Miller courts. It's Miller coors so sorry yeah but I like coors original bank beer. Yeah the bank would be really good. I like those little glass bottles always has really nice throwing things. They are not as small as a six liter. AIDS grenades reneges. Yeah Slam them. Throw them out the window. What are those Mickey's Mickey's had them to? Oh that's right grenades Tony Money on my God when you were that's you can't you can't do that. That's before the legal age speaking of the legal AIDS this is a big deal in Illinois after the first and and marijuana's legal boyce recreational marijuana. Cigarettes have moved to twenty one. Yeah yeah buying tobacco twenty one on years old so there were lines around the blocks in our dispensaries. It was down route six. Everything sold out. They saw report that said the very first day they sold three point two million dollars worth. So that's just in Morris no that was like total in the state. Well that's not very much I didn't think so either. But did you see a guy posted a receipt for how much they were charging like per gram. Is it a lot so it was like seventy one dollars per gram how much Graham is no. I don't know how this bit. That hook is like one. He bought three different grams. Rams of different varieties of marijuana a grant a gram but it's a thirty seven percent tax so on that seventy one dollars a piece. He paid like eighty seven dollars worth of tax. Wow Yeah so. It's charging thirty seven thirty-seven percent tax on his purchase. But that's how so an eighth of an ounce which is like a common Saum told measurements. Herman says eight ounce as three point five grams. Three point five grams. An eighth of an ounce was not very big. It's like three three joints. It's more than that. So if he only bought Graham each at seventy one dollars. That's a lot of money. And that's what the ticket it says the receipt it just had one g seventy one dollars. I would assume that means one Moran Ram is seventy one dollars what it said on the on his receipt and insane amount of money and then like I said he paid eighty seven dollars in tax on top of the seventy one. Yes so he paid one hundred forty something no. He had three grams on there. So so each one was like seventy two seventy one dollars ended up paying like three hundred and two dollars total. Well that's outlandish crazy and it's like twenty bucks on the street exactly exactly so out the cartels are going to keep making money. It's unbelievable I don't know what the street prices but I don't have. I don't have a clue but that seems unnecessary. Like I just don't know what that's that's GonNa fix. I guess it will pull some people off the street to get stuff by feel like okay. This is what bothers me. It's like hey we're going to appease all eight people and we're GONNA make marijuana legal and I mean not necessarily also people and they're like yea like an we're gonna tax it so ridiculous because why 'cause we can we can because we're broke and it's just like what right do you have to tax something at what you just said. Thirty seven percent percents thirty seven percent. I was weird and then on top of it I was thinking after that. I'm like okay. It's legal now. Think of the millions ends of maybe not millions but thinking of all the peoples whose lives were completely destroyed. I know for the last thirty years that because of ridiculous drug laws then finally. They're just like never mind well. I thought those people were going to get But think about the people that already had their lives destroyed though. You know what I mean. So I know Indiana and Min Max did it the the Illinois have that. We've been decriminalized for a while now but still I mean they have the three strikes law and they'd anybody that had had marijuana even depending on what you had they still slammed you with an intent. Distribute the Max comes from like say you had to six pounds owns. What does all this say? You had that much on you dammit. You're getting a maximum Senate six in Indiana. If you had so much we could get life in prison. There's people that did because I mean there's people know annoy had fifteen twenty years in prison for possession. Yeah and and now. They're just like loops and they're still in prison. Aren't they know you're getting out there all getting pardoned. He pardoned like but I'm talking about chicken. The guy that was in jail from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety five notre dame like. Oh Yeah it's just ridiculous and then it's just silly it's silliness this government man. It's out of control out of control guys. It doesn't it doesn't seem fair we'll be elected are I. Don't Know No. I'm happy that it's been legalized. My point join is just like for the last thirty years. It's just out of control than anybody can sit there and be like yeah you know. Let's make that illegal and yeah we'll send you the prison for twenty years and completely destroy your life and everybody around you. That's what yeah. Isn't that crazy aunt. I know it's unreal and and now twenty years later every all the states are just like. Oh yeah it's cool now. We'll we'll get we'll get away all I'm going to go down. The Path is here. You're now opium is just plant to is that okay. Well it's a derivative of a plan but Yeah I think it is okay. I think it's fine. I mean it does run on European. Wouldn't be wouldn't like. THC Derivative of the marijuana plant PhD's the active chemical. But I don't think if you go smoking a poppy. Poppy hoppy plant. You're going to get an opium fix. It's got to be processed in some way does it. I don't know nothing about heroin. Marijuana you can just literally smoke the plant. Well that's true Tabacchi. Yeah but you can't do that with talking with poppies or coca. That takes a lot of I think if view eight enough poppy seeds you would get probably have to eat like a horse trough. Oh I know that I got flagged at work because I bad bunch of Poppy Brad like huge at Christmas like huge and I like half my mom's role of Klatches. We call them so it's just like a wheel. Ada Crap on it and I got I got tested I told nursemaid hey I mean I crept on a poppy seed you know she goes all right. I got flag. You get retested but it was on Seinfeld. I was just GonNa say it's an episode on Seinfeld were bagels and she fails a drug test. Marley got flagged for ecstasy at the hospital when she was like eight months pregnant or nine months winning they have one of the babies and I liked They come in Mali after she'd been in the hospital for like four days. Yeah the nurse comes. She's like I just need to check like you're not doing ecstasy right and she's better for like two months and she was laughing now and obviously Schuyler I don't remember but it turns out the blood pressure medication she was on could do like a false over. Tell us the truth here by saying it was sky. Perfect perfect sexy. We're rolling rolling rolling. The E E train. Is that what it's called on the street really. I'm joy ecstasy. It was like you know you're a heavy drug user. I've never done any of that by cast here. No no no. I've never done that either. I know a lot of people that have well not a lot like one guy actually He used to tell me about it. Yeah okay sounds school. I guess you know just seems like a lot of work. A lot of work bill. Yeah just like dealing with the consequences of Yep so I have here. This is completely off topic. What you're talking about but I have here Rotten tomatoes it's best scored TV comic book. TV shows okay from twenty nine thousand nine from two thousand nineteen. Yes so okay. Shows that we're out in twenty nineteen eighteen. These are the ones that rated the highest Except for one of them there is a lot. There is one that they threw into this thing that I think they just throw it in there so so people could see how terrible the season was I guess But guess what the highest rated comic book. TV Show was of twenty nineteen. The the boys rotten tomatoes. No didn't even make this list actually really find it hard to all right dude. What do you guess conjoined Comic Book? Well all right I have no idea the watchman. Oh Watch has a ninety. He's six percent rotten tomatoes score deservedly so yes absolutely not started yet the one let me see the one. You guys haven't seen watchmen. I highly highly recommend it. It's phenomenal. That's next after my darkest darkest matter I got the my darkest matter matter the one that It's actually tied for first because this one tied. It is daredevil season. Three was that this year. That's twenty eighteen i. I don't know where this thing comes from. It says from twenty nine thousand nine hundred season three dollars really good but it's it's at ninety six percent as well like January February timeframe it came. You know it's like you said it was twenty. Two thousand. Eighteen ninety. Five percent was arrows. Most recent season haven't seen it yet that was at ninety five percents ninety. Where's it at ninety? Four percent was Jessica Jones. Okay I didn't and finish it It was good I enjoyed it. Another ninety. Four percent was swamp thing that was good. Okay Yeah Yeah. It's it's a ninety four percent rotten tomatoes score I it. It was fine but it didn't does not deserve ninety. Four percents really know they fucked up the end bad. Yeah it was like okay and then it was fine. We we tried to like kit. In retrospect I wanted to love it and we tried harder than we needed. I think it could have been great. I think season two would have been phenomenal. Had they been able to do it all the weirdest path it's because they cut down the episodes annoying she was telling and and the dad was annoying. Whatever he knows you could tell the actors knew that it was ending and it was like or that they cut the episodes down and it was just like okay? We're done just been something. Waco or ninety one percent was legion finished watching for the season one yet and I think you're talking season two so yeah I have. I've never watched it Let's see why no ERC ninety three percent. Ah didn't see it that I don't know it is Is it on Netflix. Let me see what it says. It was flex I I haven't seen it. I scrolled past. Yeah I haven't watched it. But that's like a obscure comic from the nineties kind of I've known a- herb. It's an image. Comic Eighty. Nine percent was darted soaps. Gary probably haven't heard of this. I haven't heard of it. I have the very history thing dark matter sure. Do you know the show Nope I don't either a scrappy crew of the Raza though. The sensibility of this three season is in sci-fi wonder based on dark horse comic by the same name what it excel that utilizing it's few standing sets completely obscure obscuring it's tight economics hammocks concerns while telling a tale. Tell they're basing this off critic scores because the highway obscure yes it is. It's critic scores is. This is a user reviews so that's eighty nine percent dark matter and then there's an eighty eight percent for DC's legends of tomorrow and then coming in in last on this list is the walking dead at sixty four percent doom patrol at. Yeah no doom patrol no the boys which which they obviously just overlook that should be when since. We're since so. That was a little bit of looking back. I got at one from rotten tomatoes as well if we want to look forward to two thousand twenty and we can talk about the most anticipated movies by month. Who of twenty twenty? Do you guys want to do that. I do okay. I've seen that dark matter show. I started watching it. It's it's really good. What's that on Netflix? On SCIFI SCIFI. Show okay okay. I HAVE THE SCI-FI APP. That was pretty good another one that I'm that flex I've heard from Maggie Anzac. Actually they told me love death in robots on that flex flex is really good. You know you'd never even heard of it. You've mentioned that I haven't seen it but then you talked about. I watched the first episode of part of the first episode and it looked interesting every episodes like different. It's almost like a twilight zone. Type thing wherever episodes vignettes different story. Yeah and different style. Filmmaking style. Different everything really. Yeah so it looks interesting. I haven't gotten to yet so if we go most anticipated movies of twenty twenty twenty starting in January. We got the grudge. No nope we got. He go no where we both love. Oh bad boys. Three bad boys for life number three number three. I watched that I thought I'm not nat excited as some of our friends to see. I hear all about it. On New Year's Eve people are really excited about it really. I liked the first I too. I can't say that I have like the stick out in my mind is like anything that I thought. They were. December thirty sent. The trailer doesn't look great. My opinion they're good like time-waster movie well Smith Breath and I'll watch it. I'm not going to see in theaters doolittle. which is one? I'm very excited about. I think it looks out in January comes out in January make anywhere seventeenth. Couple watch the trailer. It looks amazing trailer. I'm just not excited for man. Oh my looks pretty. Good I'm I'm UC it the gentleman. Which is Alex? Oh It's a guy. Ritchie movie is. That looks good. I'm in for that. I Love Guy Ritchie. Matthew mcconaughey is good. Charlie hunnam looks like Matthew mcconaughey character is Matthew mcconaughey and every other movie. It looks like a good movie. Matthew Matthew mcconaughey is the exact same person every time okay we then the last one is the rhythm section. I don't know what that is so it's email assassin. Acid movie with Blake. Lively Jude Law is based on a novel. A female assassin movie with Jude Law Baked Blake lively stars of the latest troubled female assassin movie based on the paramus Panama's hip hop hip hop hippo novel by a Mark Brunell Himmel easy ones. She plays a plane crash survivor. Who wants to get to the bottom of a disaster? That killed her family. I know she said on a path of revenge. If you were okay with that although that clears it up that makes sense there. We got to order. Originally we gotta ask. These bans on a path of revenge movies. Also I mean look John Nixon better than anything and that was over a dog. My parents were just talking about one with Gerard Way Ler true. Yeah the big the black balloon whatever is Gerard Way. What's the balloon and song? Does he think this on yeah visit. He's the lead singer of my chemical romance. Yeah it's a balloon. I don't know I'm lost year. Who are ways easily the lead singer of my chemical romance but he's also the writer of umbrella relic Adamy really a something about black parade? Oh Black Parade. Yes for not Blackpool. I was thinking of baby. Blue macy's uh about that whole love stopping Mabaso. Zoo say has me a song. I don't know that the Google doubts who was on the Joe Rogan podcast that that is related to Gerard Way and they'd never met each other but he was a famous dude. I don't remember remember we were. You're talking about. He said he's like Oh. Yeah he's a cousin of mine really. Have you met him. No go okay. He's a super team. Oh yes but whatever. That's fine February. BIRDS OF PREY. And the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn. It's going to be a war. Aw horrible it looks terrible. I don't want she's not wearing skimpy outfits. Refuse to It doesn't matter. The movie itself Looks Harley Quinn. Okay here's a question for you. One of the cast members in this movie is journey. Ernie smaller do you Jesse. Small edits related to Jesse small. It got amazing if that was the case how many people L. D. known people how many small it's can be famous from. Somebody's gotTa look that guarantee. Is that what you're doing. I I am but I guarantee you. She's related. It's probably his sister spouse. Well he's gay so it's definitely not it's spouse spouse parents siblings Who are looking for it Cherney smalley I have that small small small balance balance. Oh it is his sister told you knew it nailed it. Wow One it so can you give a little. And so who Jesse smile at is. What is Dave Chapelle column? I don't remember juicy small. EA Jesus the juicy small EA smalley just the Doodo not put around his neck by a bunch of white guys in Chicago on the South side. Yeah but he had to stop for a subway sandwich before he went to the police. Favorite part of that. We're not doing it justice but it was like in Chicago white people talk like that. That sounds like something I would say the That is the greatest stand up special. I've ever seen it's really really good. And here's the thing so this guy was on. What was that? Show higher hire empire long running show. Apparently very good is what I hear. Never watched it. And it's like a soap opera. Yeah but like a primetime soap op right on Fox Yup nursing and He was a main character. I was the demographic shift claim that it was a hate crime. Somebody trying to hang him and kill him and beat him him up. It turns out it. was you know he was claiming. It was a mega mega hat. Mary trump supporters right. So he got about a hate crime so he got arrested. He was is in the clink but they found now kind of gave up on it. I think they think they're like. This is going to cost a lot of money so these police didn't want the bad press because what was going to happen they're gonNA restless guy for obstruction of justice. Because it didn't happen. Yeah and if they banned him from Chicago didn't they. They should sue. Oh him though for the million dollars or something I don't know I mean the cost of time for the detectives for the all of the police force for the trial l. but also like whatever. Don't do that. Yes like. Don't spend that money. Don't investigate much like just let it go right like like because if it was not a famous person somebody came in and they said that they had a subway sandwich and then the next day they found out it was bullshit. You think they're spending ten million dollars to investigate. No but part of that ten million dollars is probably also to satisfy the media because it was a celebrity so therefore he's going to bring it up more and more and more. If you don't in the cargo I'll go doesn't want people thinking there's yeah. Yeah exactly so people doing hate crimes. He brought it to the attention of the media. Right off the bat. You have to do something. Then yeah I think it was more just sheer the obnoxiousness now if he would have come to have south Chicago him he's in Chicago the most heavily democratic. What would already sitting make you think you could get away with that though? Because he's from Hollywood and stupid. Have you heard him speak. And I haven't he's the best thing about. It was the next day like all all the people that were like. I stand with us. Yes it was pretty much bullshit. Yeah a lot of them. Said you know. We're going to leave that up to the authorities but they just want to be incredibly politically correct. Because you can't say like I don't believe him because it was if it was a hate crime that it'll come back it'd be like well then you you didn't think it was a hate crime so do you hate him too right now come on anyway. Journey small okay. Do you think she was part of the crew I do. I'm going to go on record and say I think that she was on. She was in on the ruse other. All right we're on February the lodge other that is a downhill. Starring Will Ferrell and Julia. Louis Dreyfuss yes so that is directed by NAT Faxon and Jim Rash La both. Okay okay. We'll have you seen the trailer for I have. It does not look that good now okay. It's serious combat. Gets very serious. Because what happens is like there's a There is a Avalanche on this mountain resort. But it's like it's done on purpose and there's warning signs all over that say we're going to do like You know put us. I called controlled controlled avalanche. That's what I was trying to think of the game cool boarders two and they do it. And they're sitting out on the control deck eating breakfast and they didn't know what was going to happen. This avalanche comes in he. He keeps telling US fine. That's not coming towards us. It's not going to get to us. Well then it starts to get towards them and he grabs his phone and leaves. His family runs away like completely like takes off and leaves his family there and then nothing. Nothing ended up happening to them but his wife knows what he did. She's like you left us there. And that's Julia Louis Dreyfuss so you left us there and like ran ran like a coward. What were you doing? And then they have security video of him like leaving coming back and grabbing his phone and leaving again so that part is kind kind of funny but then it gets really serious about it gets really serious though about their relationship and and like their relationship is falling apart before for that and it just gets into like marital stuff that I don't want. Well it's a remake of the two thousand fourteen Swedish comedy-drama Force Majeure Fax ex- Faxon is as he related to Matt Fraction because he's a really good calico crater moving on and Jim rash is the guy I believe us together together in community. He played the dean. Oh Okay and like no. That's the Dean wasn't he. He's a British Guy Eh. No no the dean was like that little bald guy that looked like moby. I thought he was the principal looking moby. Oh no you're right that's deemed. Yes Jim Right. Yeah you're right. Nat Faxon is on. He's been a ton of movies to. He's very funny. He's got kind of a buck teeth. Front teeth narrows down now. What actors do all right? So we're still in February. Sonic the HEDGEHOG nope fantasy island. No it's a remake nick fantasy island it but in movie form that sounds like a terrible idea. Does the call of the wild with Harrison Ford. We saw the trailer for that call. Call Yeah I mean. It looks fine anything I would watch whatever the invisible man which is a universal monsters. One it's you you know. It was being made when the mummy with Tom Cruise they were GonNa make that whole member realize yes. Yeah franchise kind of workout dark. Yeah What they call it the whatever they call it they were GONNA do like Dracula Frankenstein? And but they're doing the visible men onward which is a new Pixar movie It doesn't look that good now. It doesn't that didn't know VIN diesel movie bloodshot. It's a comic book movie. We a valiant comics assassin relaunched. Series unstoppable super super solar powered by nanno machines. Blood shots past asked is a mystery to him and he's on a mission to find out who he is or what is contrived. I've seen the trailer. It looks okay. I don't think I go see theaters. But I'll all deaf tell you what like hearing things like when you read what something is about and you just read it out loud. Sometimes things just sound awful most of the time. I don't think that right these. It just sounds ridiculous and so when I've explained our comic books or things that we've written and stuff and when you explain it to somebody out loud and say it you know a lot of times people are like I don't know it sounds kind of funny and even to me it will sound funny you know but when you if you were to watch it or read it in a book it's completely different and it. It can be really good because there's a lot more context to it than just what you've read but most things man I'm like. Gosh it sounds like so dumb and then you watch it. You're like me and I was also really liked that but I don't know it's just something when you read it out loud that really really. I don't know if I'd ever watched that all right moving on because there's a lot of these a quiet place part two saw the trailer for that Blue Line which looks amazing. While the April we got new mutants coming out. That looks bad. ooh Here we go guys. Peter Rabbit to the runaway great. No time time to die the new James Bond movie. Yes pretty good. You're GONNA watch it. I know you are old world. Were don't WanNa see that antlers antler's that Harry Russell and Jesse Plamen starting a supernatural thriller about a small town teacher and a sheriff brother who find themselves in a waking nightmare. Okay see what I mean about reading as I said to keep going maybe we got a black widow. We got legally blonde three God. You're shitting. They're making on movie. She's fifty years old. Yeah at some point. She's gotTa Find Love at some point did she it does she. Is She going back to college. She still have a bar I did she still ever. I'm going back to Harvard. Define me a man. I don't know let's read the description. We've been fifteen years since we last saw elwood's in legally blonde to red white and blond and like why wouldn't we want to see her again. It's it depends. Sometimes since Oscar winner Witherspoon had a hit comedy movie. But if you told us this was going to be a smash we wouldn't object. Has she ever had a hit. Comedy Movie Um legally blonde was that a hit the yeah for sure who like it was a big movie. So you're either too young or you were deployed. I've seen it knows a hit. I never seen it. We got a new scooby. Doo movie called Scoop while. That's original with Zach. F run faster than the furious nine. I'M GONNA man. You guys are tough. Crowd artist foul. Ah a traveler. I've seen it several others it looks. It's peaked my curiosity. That one looks cool in June. We got wonder woman nineteen eighty-four Four. So armee that's a Disney movie correct. I'm sure I'm sure it is that it doesn't say but Judi dench and Josh Josh Gad. Scared is good some popular fantasy book series about a young criminal mastermind who kidnaps ferry in hopes of ransoming assuming her to an evil Pixie in exchange for his father. Now that sounds good description. Yeah now that sounds good and I like Josh Gad. A Lot I hope he sings in it man and he is so good as he is he sings. It's okay in frozen too depending on what screening. You're at a different person. That's things in the credits. There's like four of different ones that sing the credits. Oh really just kind of cool. Yeah the one screening I was in Josh Gad. Was One thing and man. I don't remember. He's a great singer. I say we stay for the whole credits just because the music was great. Oh really is that the time. Is that what you were talking about. How the music wasn't wasn't good? It was good actually find myself listening to it quite a bit lately because it's good looks. Amazing what Roman looks really good. We talked about that a little bit on a couple of weeks ago but yes looks very that one. I link looks better than the first one. I'll say I agree because I think they got the hint that you shouldn't turn everything into a dark volcanic world we gun talk gun out six fucking movie. They're gonNA screw up. Maybe they'll get this one right. We gotTa Talk Gun. which we've talked about? We got July. We Got Free Guy which we've talked a little bit about. That's the riot. Renoir is a top gun coming out in July. June should have come out on Fourth of July twenty six six fortunately weekend yeah pretty much pretty close July June July third is free guy we got millions to we got I talk to. I would watch that. I like those ghostbusters afterlife till July. Tent can't Christopher Nolan movie. Have you seen the trailers for that trailer for that. I thought it looked neat for which movie tenant I'm going to watch. It was before Star Wars. I thought it looked really neat. Like yeah it was interesting. It's like a time timing wine me. Anything has come in for Timea stuff Disney's jungle cruise starring. Dwayne the Rock Johnson and Emily Blunt Betcha. That's good I that's That'll get a solid thirty six percent. That's hired so the Caribbean. Because you know they've made franchise off that right. So then how they wanNA make a franchise. This is off the jungle cruise read Oh jungle cruise ride. Yes yeah it's a famous writer. Disneyworld cabinet disneyworld one like one time in my life. You're a horrible twice. Thank you are horrible. You take your children at Disneyworld today in July. Take out a loan to go there i. That's not true with expensive. The one percenters centers. It's not it's like four hundred dollars a person for a week. Yeah I mean I don't have a true so but I would. It cost your tickets for tickets. That's not including your. It was in this argument the other day so let me follow it through to. Its logical conclusion. If you're willing to go somewhere else for a week vacation we dealt you've never gone on occasion. Yeah I went to Iowa. That's not a vacation. That's FUCKING I. It was it was on vacation so you never gone on any sort of vacation ever paid. You Stayed The hotel with our entire family. I don't think so man. God Lord the chiefs. I don't say with our entire family. I I mean. We went to Wisconsin dells with. I wasn't for a week. That doesn't count. I mean it kind of goes that's expensive. Yeah it was probably just as expensive as Disney. I agree with you I. I'M NOT GONNA. I can't go to Disney for like a Friday Saturday but anyway here's the deal. Here's the deal if you're going on vacation occasion for a week say the hotels cost about the same as what hotels cost about everywhere. They're more expensive now the truth actually you can stay in a hotel for one hundred dollars a night on Disney property. That's decent cheever's off property and better. Yeah definitely yeah so you can do that. So yes. You're out the tickets which say is about Out Four hundred dollars a person for the entire week for all your admission tickets. However that's all your activities for the day so whereas you go to Wisconsin dells? Say you stay there for say. You're staying there for five days. Because that's an average length for a Disney vacation to be brought five days but you're going to go carts that costs money you're going to go to mini golf. That costs US money. You'RE GONNA go do this. That Costs Money Disney four hundred bucks per person for the week that includes all of your activities. That's everything that you're doing except for food food you're going to spend food here or there. It doesn't really matter. It's the same. Bouts is a little more expensive at Disney than it would be a somewhere else but there's ways around like we can bring food in you did because you have to very bad for snacks. We had a backpack snacks in the morning. Your kids aren't hungry so you just feed 'em full of Granola bars and Cheetos and cheeses and then by lunchtime. There hung among the Amman meal. Eat One meal and my summertime their shot and they don't really care what they eat and then go back to the house and they swim for like twenty minutes and then the parents drink beer till he can't stand up straight because we're so tired five o'clock in the morning and do it all over again. Ever and flights are are actually really cheap to Orlando so comparatively. Yes they are. You can fly from your mischief. In my cheap are co to complete fly. Round trip from BLOOMINGTON TO ORLANDO. Oh direct for seventy five dollars round trip frontier airlines. You just can't take you also have to pay for your baggage. Okay take that in consideration. What do you consider cheap for an an airline tickets that cheap but you still have to pay for your baggage? Okay South West. You don't have to pay for it is included but anything over fifty pounds. You gotta pay for your bag your bag Samarra Samarra dollars per bag right each way no twenty five dollars each way so if you bring two bags you're at fifty dollars each way. So you're one hundred dollars for baggage fees and seventy five dollars a ticket roundtrip. That's dirt cheap. But she anywhere you slice it. Yeah yeah no that is free parking Bloomington so hours so that changes all the time so that might be the time you looked at it so three hours like that. I mean I've looked at three different times. It's been that price really seventy five dollars. Take that away. You WanNA fly southwest. It's about it's about one hundred seventy five dollars round trip from midway southwest clues baggage three hours lions of or eighteen hours driving drive which is done Christina last week. Yeah both both ways. It's better to fly. I remember you talking about that. That does guys job last time because jet was last week flu. Actually time we went. We drove that time because he was what three or four months old. The only reason why we drove that time. I don't remember what strollers bring all this. Yeah I just WanNa bring all the junk and then we ended up bringing it the next time we went and it wasn't a big deal. I highly recommend Disney August. We're so July Moebius. The first of the Sony Spiderman Franchise Movies August is bill. And Ted's face the music that I wanna go see the hit. Man's wife Audie. Guard that Ryan Reynolds Ryan Reynolds and Sam Jackson. Kay how are they making a sequel to a movie. That wasn't that didn't make any money. Because Ryan Ryan Reynolds Nelson. I'M GONNA make this move and you're like okay. Yep It was hit at the box office. Okay Monster Hunter with Paul Anderson stripped a script with Mia Jovan each and Ron Perlman. I don't know what that has Ron Perlman. I like Ron Perlman Perlman. You peaked my curiosity. You're the conjuring the kings man another another king another Kim every movie yeah. It's a prequel equal to the kings. I started. Let's see where we October. Nothing exciting there snake. Eyes snake is does that make yeah that's a GI. Joe Movie I was just going to say is that. Gi Joe Thing Yup November we got the eternal and Godzilla vs Kong really they. Also I am a sucker for those movies. We do get a couple of big ones in December Godzilla. zillow movies man. I like him. We Got Denise Villain Waiver on the waiver making Dune in December. Oh really yes. Hi and one hundred percent in and listen. This cast all right Timothy Chaumet Josh Brolin Oscar Isaac Javier Bardem Jason Momoa Dave Bautisita in Zendaya are all eleven. Yeah do I wonder WHO's playing people. Yeah Yeah Yeah Dave Batista's like I don't know who they also making uncharted movie with Tom. Holland Mark Wahlberg like the Mark Albert. Joining us right into that. We've got coming to America with Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall the remaking. The we talked about that a long long time ago that that's it that's all the crews to forget it. I like the Kurds not Douglas. Nope no star wars. Just one marvel movie he to Blackwood. What's your Sokolac Eternal? An eternal as right is that it may the internals. November November is this way is black. Widow may blackwood okay. I got to write something down. Real quick sorry all right. So that's it. No that's all of them. That's that's that's next year in movie things to look forward to What else you got during? I'm writing something down. I was going to get into what I was watching in real quick. I just remembered what I was watching so I wanted to write it down before I forgot. Ok write it down and start talking about it. Oh okay well it was a movie look into you. Do when you do what you're watching. We could talk about star wars again. Okay Yeah because we do have to go over that with you so I saw an HBO. They came out with is to new movies. One of them was held boy. One of them was detective Peach Piquionne. Okay Yeah Yeah and I watch both of them last night. I haven't seen how boy we talked about Dr Pitching show. Did you get a little bit. Don't waste your time withheld boy. Turns out you're right it's bad. I mean fucking horrible now I would not say it was horrible. I like What's that guy's name the actors great? Yeah David Harbour yes. I like gym is held boy. It's not quite the same as Ron Perlman Ron Perlman is hell buoyed. Maybe just because he was the first one to do it and I think he looks good and acts like I think he'll boy should act David Harbour did a good job but the movie just doesn't do well It doesn't flow very well. It's kind of weird. It's all over the place. It's it's very like sporadic and all over the place it it just was Do they portray him as a teenager. hell boy. Yeah no it could take some kind of is right. He's like younger. He's portrayed younger in like the books and they Kinda do that with Ron Perlman made sense now they they show like the beginning. Yeah of hell boy him being created in the thing you know into who he was but I didn't really take it as him being a teenager. He's he's kind of adolescent the spirit guide whatever her name name on the where she pukes out the ghost. Yeah if if that that could have went away could've done literally that you know. It sounds like a suicide squad moment now like hand them which I was learn and my kids are going to get better. It's going to get better and I wasted an hour and a half or two hours of my life. I'm like wow. There's some scenes just like with any movie. There's some cool scenes and I like some of the stuff. Oh boy does have a hard time holding stuff together anymore. It didn't it didn't hold it together. So yeah you don't. Nobody needs to watch that movie. It's on HBO Right now if you have. Hbo Hbo. You can watch it. But I'm so time limited so I don't Miss my precious time on it now. Don't detective Piquiachu was better than I expected to be. Yeah I thought it was a fun movie. I liked the premise. I would never watch it if you weren't going to watch it with your kids. So Graham saw last assigned was with Graham by myself. I surprised that he would WANNA watch it. He's really indigent. Anything animated basically real life stuff. He is not interested in. I think just notice he could chew and thought he knew he knows what that character is. Because the boys big pokey amount so I think he saw that and wanted to watch it. He fell asleep right away because he was super tired anyways and this was at nine o'clock and he fell asleep and I. It caught my attention and I started watching it. It's a good movie. I had no ending. Read any yeah. I haven't seen it so it has. I'm going to spoil it. Echo spoiler spoiler pretty good ending. Yeah I like I I enjoyed it. I mean I when I stopped the movie I was like. I'm glad I watch that. Yeah to be honest I mean it's nothing I would. I don't need to Rewatch it. No I probably will watch it. If my kids weren't into watching 'cause I know radio WANNA watch it once. I told Grady it's on on their. We'll watch it again but It was worth three watchable too. I've seen it several times caches. Watch have you ever like sit down and you you know I kinda just catch bits and pieces. Yeah I got you know. It's it's pretty good. I I liked the very opening because I guess I wasn't. I didn't think about it being in the pokemon world. I didn't think about them living with POKEMON. You know what I mean right. I knew nothing about the movie really. I never followed in to what it was about. I don't really know anything about POKEMON. I don't really need to and he but I liked the fact that right in the beginning he's like there's a pokemon out in this field. He's like you gotta go get it. He's like but remember. It needs to choose you too so he throws the ball in box it off its head and then it sucks up into the ball. He's like I got it. It worked and then it's like flashing orange. She's like soft flashing green vise flashing. Green is it supposed to Flash Green and then he tells them to run away he starts running it blows up and the thing comes out running after Hits them with a bone in the knee and I thought that was funny. That's pretty good. And then it runs away like laughing. I thought that was cool. Because I guess I didn't realize that it had to choose use U. Two and it can bust out of the ball because anything I've ever seen a pokemon. You just catch them in the ball. If you're not play pokemon go. They bust out of the ball. All the time noxious. No I've never ever played don't I don't want to don't care to. I don't know it used to be when cash was in preschool. Because there is a pokey stop at his daycare so we'd always go a little bit early so he could catch stuff the pokey stop and then I drop them off at Preschool. And then I'd get there a little bit early to pick him up and I would go go on the other side of the church and do the pokey stop and catch a couple of POKEMON and they come over to pick him up for him right. Yeah Hey cashed look doc. I'm playing this game. Four you cash no was interest super boring game no point to the game at all. Why did why why did it take the world by storm? Then I don't know I think it's one of those. Things hits the parts of the brain the reward centers of the brain. Yeah I guess catching things just like slot machines kind of those reward centers. Yeah anyway what else do you watch so I finished a little show called the witcher. Yeah you finished. It finished. Not Oh you haven't house. Did you finish it to holy did you. I'm on up until like four or five man. You're missing out. What happened to me? First of all the holidays I haven't watched anything and then like right when I was able to start watching coaching stuff again. I got Djeddai Fallen order which we'll talk about later. See and that's what I need to get to know. What do you mean no? We'll talk about it later. Okay well no I mean I love it. It's just like it's such a time suck. Yeah I'm ready for Type sock though what's something like that okay. Yeah so the witcher's the after four episodes I've seen or five I think five I'm just going to you. Learn T. O.. overvalue blame. ooh Yeah one of my favorite bands of all time. It's a really heavy metal. Like screaming band is called trivial. I'll listen to them. All the time their lead singer he's big on twitch and he's been remaking that song on because a lot of people thought he was the voice singing it 'cause it sounds very similar to him he's like no I didn't he's like but I'm going to remake it because I love that show and I love that game so oh he's been on twitch doing every part on his own and remaking it into like a metal song that's awesome. I spent literally thirty minutes today watching him sing. That song over over and over again is I mean if your which your fan anyway so when I first heard it I heard the same thing I I listened to it multiple when I first heard it I was like that's kind of Corny. You know but then when I heard him singing it then you know the songs now the why and my tie into the show like I just. I don't know but it's like it's such a post credits. Do you think it will catch up with the public. I don't I don't think so either. To be honest I don't and that's what I was very inside baseball so what I was going to get into is that it is a little bit it. It is a little bit sporadic to the way the show is a but you can't hold it down to one thing. There's a couple people that I've talked to. They title women that I've talked to. They learnt into watching anything like that and they've watched they love it it so it reminds me of like what you said where it feels like a game it does. It feels like a video game where you go from. Side quests to side quest to side quest and then meet up in the main quest and continue what what is it. It amazes me perfect. It amazes me that they could pull that off. It's an amazing show. It was sometimes. It was a a little aggravating because I was like you know what where does she play into this and why are they doing this. How's it all going to come together? It does it. Does it. Takes some time in the thick of it right now. It's extremely confusing. Jump all around. Well you don't realize they're jumping around time till about Bob Bob episode four or five. And you're like wait a second. Fuck this is like sixty years in the past. Yes that's the part I didn't like I didn't care for it and I don't like until it pays off towards you know until you start knowing what's going on towards the end but I don't know I freaking love Henry Cavill as giral. He's brilliant rolling. God I didn't know he was that good. It's Garold Garrelt. Then I say that. No I they say Gerald Gerald okay. I'm just trying to your no. I just didn't know he was capable of being that good at acting and the eighteenth I mean they are very well choreographed. It feels very real relate that to. Yeah Yeah I like yeah. She's a very nice one thing. I don't they definitely accelerator. Assets quite a bit the the Canada through some Racial people in there just because the game is predominantly white people base. Because it's in supposed to be in Polish type. Yeah because the guys Polish and wrote it so not a lot. I talked about this a couple of shows ago but this movie is based before the the game. It's it's based on books. The first two short story books. Yeah yeah which the like the witcher game like the witcher. Three I guess is his way after all of this happened. Yeah I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Because it's that's why a lot of people could say I've only played the witcher games and I think it has nothing to do with any of that because it technically doesn't. It's happening well before any of those happen so I had this big plan. I bought all the books on my phone three. Actually my I pay too big. They're all Polish castle. Do at least you know Slovak. Not Polish okay. No I got through the First Book and Fon Order came along and you lost Israel life just life in general happened at times game. Yeah I'm nowhere near as far as you are so finish. Finish the Richard. Oh yes I am done. That is my new priority is the only got like four more episodes. So because there's only eight right. Yeah yes us dig it predominantly like three more ABC's the last. Oh you finished five so think. I've finished five. I can't really remember. I'd have to go back and look. Have you seen a dragon. Five six six Nazi dragon which is better after the six one okay. The last two or phenomenal. Well I think all of the first ones are phenomenal. I've really enjoyed them. Greatly the wedding not the wedding feast. Yeah yeah with the Queen and that was four for back in time. No it's back in time. It is yes it is back in time. See that's the whole thing. It's all it's back in time because then all of a sudden you realize that that's Prequel. This is where there because it's like the girls gramma gramma but she's like the one thing that bothered me about this show about the only thing that bothered me about the show. Is that everybody. He's around so which look down upon. Obviously because they're kind of like freaks you know but all these random guys are just like can't wait till I could kill the witcher sure for I can kill the gray wolf really dude like you know what he's done like everybody's like Oh this great wolf or gray wolf guy like white wolf is the White Wolf Anyway. Whatever they call the Wolf Guy? Yeah but the mind so I think maybe there's periods of time whether they look down on them and then there's periods of time. He doesn't come famous after the wedding also sold before. He's a butcher advocate when she's not a bunch of black right he doesn't become very very very popular until after the wedding feast where he saves the Prince. Who but every person that has met him has shown of doing something spoiler? If you guys like the rest of the story big time no not at all it. Just like everybody knows of his like what he's been doing. And everybody's like man you've been in doing so many monster hunting crazy things and then there's always this one guy like man I could take him. No you cannot no you can't he who are like you literally just murdered six people in front of you and you're GONNA stand there up against Iraq like wait meant to take out the witcher it. You're shut up like that's not real. You're not going to go away anyway. Continue your you. You're Ooh I was looking at you now. Do you WanNa talk about something. Yes I do want to talk about something. I want to talk about the fact that the witcher has sixty percent critic score on rotten tomatoes. Are you you can I hate critic. It was like forty something percent like when it first came out. So that's improved A and B because honestly what could get it. The first episode was a little. Like what's this going to be. Your episode was pretty strong it was at the second half yes yes definitely anyway. Ninety three percent audience score that looks sense. Only sixty seven critic reviews fifteen thousand five hundred forty five audience score so if you like anything to do with like what. kind of swords and sorcery. Yeah yeah it's kind of like you'll like the willow. Caroline game of thrones you game of thrones and willow met is not because willows. Got Like Incest Mejia's yeah yeah. Like game of thrones e but like less political drama and less. Like less. Khaimah thrones is very. What do you call like a soap opera? Yes it is your witcher's Lhasa that yeah there's there's a little bit more like soap. Oh power forward and definitely more action forward. It's like Jerry that Chris has. The perfect guy is like playing video game. Where every episode is a aside psycho GEICO and you're watching the cut scenes? Yes exactly right. which is why the video games are so awesome? Yeah I think it was recently voted like number one which it is considered on a lot of lists as the greatest video game ever made. I agree with that. I mean I never played it all the way through. I played a lot of it. I never played it all the way through either just because I quit because started again though I've made a commitment. You don't have enough time in your life. I'm going to do it. I mean I get such a quit playing gwent because I stopped all that because I didn't have frigging time huge. I did every single game. I did everything everything except the gwent everything. And that's fucked up my life. No that's much my life my My hundred percent Finish because I I didn't get one card from the bloody baron which screwed me on that achievement. Which I'm Mike Achievement? Whore are you? I don't know you gotta get all the achievements. I get a lot of them. Yeah I know a lot of people I I'm not I'm just like let's get through this. I don't care about achievements but I do like. There's certain things I'd like to get everything like anything. Like character builds a character. Oh sure you know. I like to go to my way to find that stuff. I don't care about like the xbox achievements. Yeah but like for example Arkham Games like I let him get the river trophies. The ridler isn't even get all the achievements. There's so many achievements like they have achieved achievements. Sometimes for the stupidest people do. Sometimes you'll look at a painting and it'd be like painting painting achievement satisfied. Did you get the in fall in order for throwing people off cliffs. Oh we have should have. Because that's all you do people a lot of people off cliffs dude. Yeah it's way easier that way turns out we stand by a lot of cliffs for some reason. There's clips everywhere. That game is everywhere. Might as well call it. Djeddai cliffs cliffhanger that I it might as well be called. That is what the that's kind of. Thank Jed eye cliffhanger. That's tapped description so for me you and finish the no. I'm like right there. I didn't even know what's going to happen. I'm already passed the point where I know exactly what's going to happen. So can we spoil another show won't know spy show oil witcher so no but we have a show to spoil. It'll be heaven. Will the last episode of SNARF talk we have not seen the last two episodes of the Laurean Mando and now we have finished. The season is over. We must talk eating British axe. Everything I can't foreign none of them are British for they all have British accents. It's really a bunch of them. Do who who did maybe Canadian Nick McNulty of a British exit brokered. They're like another cigarette guys. We need to find Nick Nolte on a Saturday night have have him record bellied up. EJ cars go get by class. Get Nick Nolte get them real fucked up. Let's have him record this show. No Yeah Yeah okay well Spoilers ahead you guys have had like two or three weeks though so there's plenty of times and so in the vein of the witcher. Sure where I think some people are going to miss it. It's not for everybody and everybody's watching them and Warren. Everybody is and he pulled that I know for a fact do not even like star wars just are loving the Mandala really. Wow so I just WANNA learn new fans in. I saw a report today that Disney pluses losing subscribers out the Wazoo because main delorean's over to be honest there. Don't there's nothing out. They should have had so much in the pipe to start releasing releasing like at episode six or seven of the main delorean before it was over there are you show on shingles. They need something. I don't know underhand underhand like the way that Netflix does it. It's nonstop hitting you with new content that you have to do that because then you'll lose subscribers until a new show comes is out if you want people to stay on your APP and watch the Shit. That's on that they thought it was going to have the whole back catalogue of Disney property built in. But then that'll keep a Lotta people they will but there's a lot of people you know you hear it. Online people are like. Oh everybody's GonNa drop it you know that's not true not everybody's GonNa drop. They're going to lose some but first of all not everybody but a lot of people have asked so I did. I got a year for free. Yeah they don't they don't care they're not not in that mode right now. They're in the weirdest see how many subscribers get over five year period. Yeah absolutely their metric isn't the first year or that's for for six months and they're going to have so many subscribers I mean they have long. It's completely irrelevant. Because Ereli got ten. They they probably got at this point they probably already have twenty or thirty million subscribers. Oh I guarantee you even after discount. How they've been losing millions and the last week? What do you mean? Losing millions. People are canceling their subscription but millions. Who cares it's irrelevant irrelevant? It's a`relevant to them. I mean I don't know irrelevant irrelevant. You're seeing elephant. It doesn't matter though. This is not the game. They're playing now. It's a long billions of dollars. They really don't give and they have one or or to a pieces of original content. Honestly how much do you think the Laurien cost them to make. Because I guarantee you did not cost him then. He got regard nicely. Show I ah. It's not like it's it. Looks like it's super expensive. So what is their original content mandatory Jeff Bogu experience which I can get past the first time. That's a rough watch. I never never never even got I. I tried to go back to it the other day looking at sneakers. There's a fucking show it gets because that's one of the better episodes in episode. Oh God it's rough. I went back the other day. And I'm like okay. I'm going to watch the video game. He's just so awkward with the people that he's trying to talk to. There's this one on barbecue. When he goes down south these pitmasters and he walks up to them and they're like out in the woods barbecuing drinking beer and something and just like standing around? All of them goes up. Have you guys ever go no. He goes owner. Because you guys Ever seen deliberates. It's feel like I'm in deliverance. Right now I'm like that's really awkward. Yeah you've been kept in a bubble really just called all hillbillies is that yeah but anyway and he was joking clearly but still for sure. Come off like it's not funny but anyway I think he's funny and not that instrument show anyway to your question. There's mandatory that. There's that no well Christmas show on for with Kristen Bell. I don't know the nursing home. I've never watched it. But I keep seeing papa up documentaries but that's about it not much. They should be launching at Marvel. Show right now. Yeah in percents. They should've had falcon and and once they do. Once they do. They're going to have shows are twenty one. It's not so thank you. Obi Wan Slater for twenty twenty two. How the guy got a long ways to go something casts casting indoor? You are cassie door on door and and or and or de looks pretty cool. I mean oh I'm in for that for with that. Big Rogue one you'll like Janai fallen order just really. Yeah men learning right so we're talking about mandatory So last really enjoyed the last two episodes. I specifically enjoyed the last episode which absolutely was full of drama intention attention and Easter and every Easter eggs and everything that you want about star wars and just continually. Don't get right and this gave it to a big time. And I I like the whole scene owes standoff. I like being caught and thinking like it's it's over. I loved how Mando gets like injured. And then the robot or like the joy that he's talking to he's so great golly they're talking to each other and he's like I've never taken my helmet off in front of a human like a living being before and he's like I'm not a living being a living based that's not right. Yeah and then he just takes his helmet off and it's takeaway directed the last episode really. Yeah that was a little odd that moment. We didn't look quite right right. Well I think you Amanda Laurean why I never understood that like what do you think that. He didn't look odd. How would you look after wearing wearing a helmet forever? So so I I mean so. I was surprised but by that ending with with AH I g comic book if you read it that particular droid model will sit in the in. The depths are off the side for years to collect knocked his prey so I really thought that he was one that killed Nick Nolte. Oh yeah yeah so. That's where I thought they were going and he was going to betray him. He was gonNA steal. Because you don't know where I figured out what was the hand what joy was come. Yeah Yeah I although I didn't I knew I thought he was troopers. It you find out that he's a nurse droid before any of that ever happens and then he disappears and then they get hold. Stay on the ship. Yeah they get trapped and then He. I didn't see him coming back to rescue baby yoga. Yeah I didn't see him doing that. I really really thought that he's the one that killed. What did you think of a very controversial Jason? Today I wash it last night. What was Larry? What was controversial about uh-huh people didn't like the fact that that they were portraying the stormtroopers like with a sense of humor that much humanity to them? I guess Whoa also great because they sit there. They're shooting at a can inhibit didn't like it poking fun at the Old Star Wars stews precious at Star stormtroopers. It's great I thought. So there I if they were really like kind of odd guy. Who's in the army? They AH THEY SHOULD BE. They should kill the heroes of these movies. Lions why is it off okay. First of all this is when when this movie takes place post just revenge return during the five years okay. So we're still in clone stormtroopers right now. Not necessarily. How do you know I know that? Because starch overs were phased out directly after The they're phased out except for darth vader's Five oh I directly after the last battle so as soon as he ever took over their office doubt. I don't know if that's true. It is okay so there have no idea recruiter stormtroopers at that point. They're all they're all phased out give. Who are the stormtroopers on there are? There are people bill that have been taken over just like fin out there. They're not kids they're out throw recruits. They're all people signed up stormtroopers. Come on look it up. Compete okay anyway. Because that's this Bertie. I always didn't like is that I didn't give in cartoons are clones clones. Are there bad asked warriors. Yeah right there like the best of the best fighting force your Jingo fat and then it turns and then they're stormtroopers and then they're you know desirable. Oh Com stormtroopers the the problem no because they stormed area and they just they just keep stormy these keep sending thousands and they're and they're they're cannon fodder Bader is what they are. Yeah troopers the purge troopers in the death troopers. They're they're a little higher quality. I agree anyway I yeah that's true. I thought it was funny and I spent the entire time listening. I'm like who his that. I'd like Jason. Today Kiss Yeah I. I couldn't figure figured out so after the next morning I heard Hawaii's back in Washington last night. I figured it out because this is Larry at the realize when he's doing he's like no they didn't likened punching the baby. That was hilarious. Shut up. I thought that was pretty good. Honestly I thought it was funny and the other stormtroopers stormtroopers like you've just punched at times. How do we know it's not dead at? What was the other stormtrooper they? I saw an article that Said who both of them were. But the other guy wasn't it's that The nerdy guy with the FRO black. He's a black guy fro glasses. He's like a nerd. Oh like the British Guy yes well. That's not the IT. Joe Yep okay I like the guy. Yeah that guy's yellow one okay the rest of the episode was great. I loved a breaking bad dudes character. He's great off my guess. I I like the payoff with which we all know. It was coming a baby. Yoda doing some sort of force. Something any blocks locks a whole flame thrower guy coming in the door. He just keeps the flame away. I thought that was really cool. And like you. You really like a connection with eight. and Z sacrifices advises himself. Absolutely like what the fuck. Why do I have to give a shit about this guy exactly? It reminded me terminator two honestly because he gets down into the lava and he's like melting away. I wish he would have just given a thumbs up as he was like dying. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger does like. That's what it felt like to me and I'm like I I don't need you to have a connection to you at all. That's considered a very popular movie in in pop culture. I know I'm surprised that they didn't tie tie that part into into and do a thumbs up because they should've I would else. I mean the seven Samurai in the bag the ugly all this stuff that we talked about before with this particular. But the only the reason you couldn't do that is because he blew up because he was blowing up so took if melted away into the the magma. Yeah they get confused as why you need a lava boat. I don't know when they have anti-gravitational devices. Right well then Chris I mean I mean they have them all over happy everywhere everything. They have hover bikes. Yeah they have everything thing. So why do they need a boat that literally goes in the lava and has a droid with a gigantic obviously like idol. Yeah like the the river sticks. Yeah like a Gondola Gondolo. Yes I don't know I thought the same thing in Raisa skywalker. Because when they were in the desert on the desert planet they were like a ray and Finn and all them are riding. anti-gravitational like speeders and the stormtroopers that were following willing had a track on the back in the sand and the Mike no possible way that can be as fast as something hovering driving a will no friction action whatsoever going through just besides air but you're going to paddle through sand and catch them and then like stop and flip a stormtrooper off off. I don't know I didn't agree with that either. Same thing with a volcano boat other than it was cool looking I guess on the giant. Rtd to huge radio astronomic. Yes and Astra Mak which was pretty cool that he like got really big in mandatory anyway. Yeah and then it leaves off on it like a killer. What do you call it any cliffhanger ending cliffhanger ending where he cuts out cliffhanger suffering? Well Yeah you're right not a cliffhanger because the stories wrapped up nicely. It's just a teaser. Going forward the villain lives. Yeah spoilers. He's got the dark sabre from Gideon comes out cuts himself out of his tie fighter interceptor. Whatever it is this with the dark sabre yes which is a storied? Manda Laurean Gripen cracked which it wasn't actually originally Mandal Orion right yet. No it was mandatory and he was created by Cray by mandatory. Who's the only Jeddah not not tarf Yar visible sorry founder House villa? Yeah who gets accepted in the manual. That was his Djeddai. I weapons weapons. And when he passes degen I keep it because of a such an original weapon and during the wars day go in and steal it from the jed had I halls and bring back mandatory and then it becomes a symbol of the mandatory and leadership and it becomes falls in the hands of the death. Watch the keyword. There is the symbol of demand delorean leadership. But it's always been part of House Visa Viz law. Yes so anybody that's held held has been part of House of his love. The well it gets taken by data watch which is still part of House visa. Yes but no it is. There's there's part of it before the leader. The leader is visit from house visible. But he is the governor of Ken Cord. Don which is a moon commander. I remember how come I remember the show. It's pretty it's pretty amazing anyway. So eventually though doesn't when eventually darth Maul darth over death Wa kills the mandatory leader takes over the and he wields he actually rules manual or for a while. Yeah Yeah with the dark sabre and yes another Lightsaber Obi Wan I read about this then obey won't kick spoilers. All of this was spoilers. If you haven't seen the clone wars which I'm rewatching now here's the deal. This is why I have so at this backup. That's another thing coming on Disney pluses another season. Another season of I read. It's might be the best star wars thing. The lost the season because they they already had made Dave Sloan. You're headed done and ship. Had it wrote how many seasons are there of clothiers seven six or so like twenty some episodes each. There's that's the problem I've had is that they're all like twenty minutes. Yeah they're really short. Oh they are. You're twenty two air on TV so there half an hour ten minutes commercial break so if you're streaming that they're like twenty dollars so you can choose your some. Oh yeah episode. You could lay in bed before going to bed. You can chew through four five it gets it gets repetitive. It does like a little bit. There's some key episodes need to watch but most of Ah I mean here's the deal all right it's not all advancing the greater story line. There's lots of individual episodes that are what these but the overall needs to be. I mean they definitely pick up on the overarching storyline. Later on in the run. And you'll start to get more and more that are more specifically focused on moving moving story. Ford that's where they change when they went to Star Wars rebels rubbed a really really really focused on moving an entire narrative. Forward right worse is like like it's more you know. Clone wars. I think was made for all audiences so it was made for something that me and you could enjoy but it was also made for some kids could watch right like as a Saturday morning cartoon. Although it wasn't a Saturday more I mean it was a little more serious than that but still i. I think we're we're rebels. Separated itself was definitely. I mean while it was still considered probably an older kids show it was definitely more definitely. PG thirteen yeah. It was it was more with an adult audience in mind whereas the new one stars resistance is definitely with a younger audience but she can you get a lot more out of rebels than you would watching clone wars. I disagree disagree completely. Yeah you've always told much of the I mean I love both of them for different different reasons but no I mean clone wars. Choose through way more story. I think everything with Hennequin you get everything with the Soka. Ohka you get everything with Darth Maul. Basically I mean I know. They all make appearances in a second. When you get tons of Obi Wan stuff you get a lot of iota? Hey clone wars. I mean it's great. That's what you've always told me. That closed doors walls rebels but I started rebels. I I've watched the first like eight eight episodes of rebels so I I think it's better than rebels yell at ton Mardi go. I know that's all said I. I've got a lot more to go but I don't think it's better than rebels. They're just different. Yeah it's one is like a more familiar star. Wars Universe and rebels is like Oh this is all new is completely really different. Because it's original demand Laurien is original. I like the original story clone. Wars was there like rogue one. I agree in clone wars there to bridge the gap between stars clone wars and revenge of the seth rebels. You definitely the funeral like Oh and rogue one two in that same van all we can do all these different things because this franchise. There's A. There's a lot like there's there's what is it they're seventeen eighteen years passes between Revenge is a settlement in a new hope. I mean it's that's a law that was like twenty. I I think luke soulsby seventeen or eighteen in nineteen I think he. He's young. He's yard so twenty years that passed between two ever take yeah so okay So we like the mandatory. Everybody likes that. Dr Taber is going to be huge the next season. That's I think that's going to be a key part of the next two seasons and I just can't say enough about the frigging score the show. Oh man like the music is just so great and at the perfect times. It's just like the perfect thing is happening. And then you hear like don't don't Yeah it's yeah and there's so much it gets you really fired up and there's a western feel to it what they wanted. I mean that's I commented on guys post that I was in the army with this was like after six episodes. Were already out. And he's like. I'm so surprised nobody's talking about how this is just a spaghetti western in space cabinet on and I was like everybody understands this like we. This is the way it was already take care. Everyone said that this is what's going to happen. Like if they they based the series off Spaghetti Westerns. Yeah Yeah it was not. I told him when I was like this was never hidden like this was what it was going to be. You know he was like nobody's commenting on. How many troops? It's going over with the with the WESTERNS. And then he said something about Samurai stuff. I was like yes. That's exactly what to say. Well I feel like what they wanted with Joe and signed with the cartoons. I just feel like they're going to move forward with star wars movies. Just nobody needs to be touching the mother than John Farrell. Yeah just nobody needs to be messing with. Yeah and they need and when I was going to bring this up last time and we never got around to it they need to move on from Kathleen. Kennedy I agree further big picture stuff. Just give everything John Kennedy no or give it to or give it to to they say or or give it to slowly now no give it to Kevin you you base your yes I would say Kevin Feige or he can't do every single show but that is put out between marvel marvel anymore. You just give these are doing it. He's doing star wars. I mean he's signed up. Who Kevin he is? Yes we talked about it on the PODCASTS. Several Times Kevin Smith. I don't buy oh I have no old memory where we are jumping on here. Super Confusing Kevin Feige. The mastermind of the Marvel Universe is now working on star wars. That is a fact act so I got a question. Probably brought it up. Started at all IRONMAN BOB low. I can't file above. You know I definitely think it was Kevin. Fight you from the beginning well. I shouldn't say that I think Jon favreau started it with Iron A.. And then after they did that movie. They're like get some going on here. Yes I think Kevin Feige still produce that movie though iron man I think so. Let's find out. I guess I don't I don't know for sure I mean he's a producer. I mean he's not a yeah. I get it. But he is the overarching mastermind of what happened. And that's widely known. He said Eh where this was going to the script. Yeah he outlined I should say. Isn't that unbelievable. I I find that completely unbelievable that one mind. I don't think he did IRONMAN. But Oh yeah film Ironman Ironman. He produced it. He produced all of them. Okay Schloss is that dude. I remember seeing that movie theaters and I was like the only person there other data have. Well yeah at the time. Nobody you cared about it. I know I did. You are everyone Chris. I hate to break it to you but nobody got reliable movie. Well Yeah but most we've encountered people junior. How do they get him away? He just got her prison. Most people even comic book people were like Iron Man really like like you're doing this. See I loved Ironman from a couple things. A bunch of the video games marvel ultimate alliance. Video Games I liked him in that and then from the comics. Obviously like I was a big fan of the civil war run in the mid. Two thousands was a huge part of that. Obviously so of course. Yeah no I mean and there was an iron man movie animated before that I think of that aware of it. You made it up anyway so yeah. I just can't believe we have to wait till October other EAP. I'm just glad so. Glad they didn't drop it all all in one shot me too I am too. It made it a lot better. I I've been such a proponent of like give me all at once enjoyed it so much but but hanging over it across the board. I'm angry I I like the weekly saw because it gives me something to look forward to and you don't win at all super fast by being a good which ought the new and you hold subscribers. Yeah Yeah you hold subscribers to see everything else you you're not meant to consume entertainment. It takes somebody years to to make like an innate but people are watching. No you've done it. Oh for sure. I've done all of us but I do but I agree like eight hours. You can watch everything somebody has put together that took longer than big budget motion. Picture the movies right. It took them four times longer to put this all together and create. Because it's an eight hour moon then you're just burnt through it while you're sitting on your couch like a lot to do. ooh eating cheetos naked in a beanbag. Yeah and just scoop cottage cheese out of a bucket. Yeah like that's what we do. That's America's Eh Frito Schizophrenia. Eat Rochester that yeah that would be good Saracho cottage cheese with FRITO. Maybe a little bit of dill pickle relish. I remember I came home one night. I love that came. Aim One eight after a bender after being a mom and dad's house and they had this big tub cottage cheese. Remember taking the TUB out. Eight in the whole thing with with saltine crackers occurs in and getting sick as hell and you had a month later when he pooped. But if you're if you're that loaded with alcohol the hammer or an when you eat a whole cohort of cottage cheese. You are going to get sicker than shit. You're not you're probably GonNa not put that Shit in my hair. We're having high rug all over my hair. That does you don't have hair. It doesn't make sense for you. You don't have hair. Yeah you eat it. Yeah it's not conditioner good. Take us for some reason. Ah like literally picture you sitting here looking at you. Hand pulls just switches cheeseburger. uh-huh that's GonNa be the next character that we have drawn. Is You smash and cottage cheese on your no. I still pick take the picture of dude beanbag chair eat entire telecom fees with salting. It is pretty good. He said he was making to be make the just position. The cottage cheese thing right right in the censored version sold out. Your guys is picture. You love picture a love picture. We're not in love in the picture. No well we're getting love Ono. No no with the puck with the podcast in love with each other and their pictures you are. I mean if you look at what the go the goats looking at us like yeah. Yeah I mean I mean I'm in love with the sound of my voice in the picture that's what the love is right. That's right I love his. The represents the love of our fans I think so have the love we have for our fans loves that we share in common for James Cameron. Yeah Yeah Director. I did do the whole. Titanic thought it was Billy Zane here. We were nude we. We got that drawn before we met. Billy Zane we did so. We had quite a crowd. Ron Jerry were quite toxic and causing quite the scene. Jean what is seen not bad. We were like we had like fan. Very funny we have fans here. We had more stopping just to like we had like a little bit of A. What do we call it like a schedule going? You're right we did. That was something that was something and that's not the picture we the expected to get back. No we specifically told them we didn't want to have really too much idea what what it was right and what we got back for like this is the greatest thing in the world. Uh the next day when we looked at it could have been a little bit right away well at first we're like holy cow like you do this really well then. We walked around a bit and kept looking at it. Like took a little bit different like avenue. I was hoping for some we. We can hang on the wall over. PODCAST hanging this up in my office. No you specifically said that and you're like you can keep this and Berry it's so it's been been in my office in my office. Well that's much better. It's a much better drying it gets quite the attendants over joker right. It's awesome wait. The other day pass listener and sponsor of the show. David seen top up show picks sent us a video club of his daughter sayings breath. Yeah something really. He said so the difference between me and you do you know what the differences between me and you and then she said. I'm not wearing hockey pads. He says he's just the video of his three-year-old. Yeah and he says. Do you know what the difference between me and you is it does. I'm not wearing hockey pat. That's it's really good and she knew it right away. I'm sure she was prompted but either way it was phenomenal. Where are we talking about? Oh well originally. It was mandatory so we finished that everybody should be watching it. If you haven't washed ashamed. Get on Disney plus and check it out where we have for timing. We are at an hour. forty-one Dude Dude. What are you watching? WPRO darkest matters his dark materials. fucking far you in. I got one episode of go and it's very PG thirteen issue. I really really disappointed in it really. I mean it's got a good story but it's like it's definitely was. It's like a kid that was made for young adults and kids and it takes a dark turn towards the end of the last two or three months. I actually wanted to finish tonight and then I'm coming Leslie. I don't think I'm GonNa Watch it. No it's not I enjoyed it enjoyed it. I mean I don't dislike it but saying something. It's not a must see though so my next I. I actually postponed the third season of peaky blinders to watch this one. You shouldn't have. I know because I'm really disappointed. You need we get into now. I can't get him to overturn. I've tried I tried. I tried to watch it. I can't I I can't get into it Jerry. I don't know what's wrong with them. I don't know either. I really feel. It's so good. Is that the acting so good. What's that guy's name to shoot so good? We can't remember his name. Thomas Shelby what is his actual. It's Cillian Murphy. Who Played Ukraine from the original regional? Dark Knight Trilogy. Yeah scarecrow. But he's been in so many other things that he's awesome. He says incredible actor his brother. Arthur shelby shelby. Maybe but I don't know his name in real life an incredible actor and then when Who's the guy that played Bain? Tom Hart Party when Tom Hardy. Solomon's Solomon Grundy's no. I was GONNA say Monday. I didn't have have you seen him yet. Yes so he gets more prominent died Tuesday as the ones they buried. It was Eh born on a Monday. Just go out on Tuesday buried data lead stay right and something happened on Thursday right and then a Friday Saturday Sunday something anyway when when he gets more prominent the show just like. It's unbelievable. The most recent season I would say isn't quite up to snuff as the rest but the ending they tie the beginning and the end together so well that it's worth it like the whole all things worth it because it ends differently than the rest of the seasons. I will say because then coming into the next season's going to be like completely different different. It's just GonNa be completely different. I think and it's it's such a good show. It's a little bit one note. Yeah because it's like the same shit all all the the time but it's so it's just so good it took me. It took me almost a year to watch it though so I watched the first two seasons right away and then it took me like a year to get back into it and then I watched the third season and then after I watch the third season it took a year before they even put out the next season so it it was a long process for me to watch it. But Gosh I'm so glad I did so by Star P blinders back up tomorrow night but you said once you the fourth season the season dude the fourth season where it's at I really WanNa watch the watchman you haven't seen any of you should do that. I should do my next one. Yeah you should I tell you finish. We haven't talked about yet. Oh Yeah Oh yeah we talked about Mando. What what else I watch them? So we need your review of Star Wars Yeah I'm sure you guys spoilers. Lots of spoilers. If you haven't seen it go see it The beginning's a little slow from from what I remember The ending is great She's Appel patine which I did not see coming. I and I think they were looking to have the luke. I am your father type of a response right. I think you're right. Everyone everyone it makes sense. I think you're right. I never thought of it that way. I think you know everybody went man. Why you certainly did? It makes no sense it it so I don't think it does either looking looking further into it. I read some interviews with the writer and and also with J.J. Abrams because he co wrote with another guy they picked some random dude. It was like the guy who didn't know the guy who did like Justice League that's who they got to rate like you. While the original Justice League looked a lot. Zack Snyder's looked it's a lot different than the one they got. I don't know I wouldn't -bility Auger Chris -Tario okay go out and I'll finance so that you know that that's that's cool but it wrapped everything up awesomely because they put some things in the universe that weren't there yet like training princess layout I like that. It was hoped that whole because everybody the twins are supposed to be incredibly powerful and they were in in Laya chose not to pursue life. I like that a lot loved it loved and then her dog thing like her lightsaber come out of north. Oh it did she. I mean I guess he didn't pursue it. Yeah no she. Didn't I mean yeah. She accepted the fact that she was. She was a jet. But she didn't pursues Jedi staff. She was the general before she was agenda. She yeah okay before we get into that because the poverty thing I want to get back to that yeah because first first of all the guy that wrote that also wrote for Superman and Justice League But he also wrote Argo. This is really good. I thought That'll alright co wrote all these. Anyway I don't think it's necessary to the plot on the movie or I think it's actually a detriment to raise story overall. Well L. D. Hey. Jj had to do something from the last Jedi. I because I think who's act. Who is the director of Ryan? Johnson was tall but according to the pot of that movie. According we talked about the last episode Chris had said that. Jj came out and said I was involved with all of the last Jedi. Yeah and what what was going on with it like remember. He wasn't supposed to direct this movie. They originally had three different directors blessed I really think they probably. Jj Back in two short up after the failure in the fans writing up against it was the highest rated critical rated star wars movie of all time. What last yeah? Yeah well of all the new ones clinically rated critically rated critically good and it was like ninety five percent rotten tomatoes. Bullshit Shit yes it is. It's hi now. The Fan score was low. Critics rating movie was all over the place. How could it was? It had a lot of plot the problems but it also had a lot of J. W. Bullshit. Yeah the the one thing I really wish they would have brought back was the boy at the end. Asha with the rebel alliance ring or call it using the force okay. So here's the two things I was going to get to the Palestinian thing i. Jj Jay was asked specifically when a big talking point since the movie why you gotTa make her a palpitation. Jj thought was and it makes sense after you hear to go and and it makes you also ate like makes you also think about it less of a critical fan and more of like somebody's got to actually make these movies and JJ is like well this whole franchise from the beginning to this end. This whole span of nine movies is about Skywalker and palpitations. And so I wanted to end. It was Skywalker and palpitations. And you go like yeah okay makes sense. I mean I guess that makes sense but I mean you don't need to do it that way it's overly as simplistic and then with the force could he. He brings that up too because it was drug we talked about to any basically says what we were going for was to continue that yeah thread with thin being obviously forced sensitive and somebody else being forced sensitive and he goes obviously we. Maybe we didn't emphasize it enough to get our point across. But he said you know Luke skywalker says specifically. The force is strong with our family. So you need to understand that the force is stronger with all of these people that we've been following the PAO teens right in the sky. Walkers is stronger stronger with these people than necessarily with other people and that's why we're following them but yes I think it's a bit of a misstep there but in but like I said when they said she helped that makes sense because they talk about many times historic universe. You know whether it's great light. There's Great Nardi awesome great darkness. There's always good like that's the thing about the force. There's always a balance there. There's always a balance where we're there. That's why she's she's a pelvis she go either way and they're hoping politics hoping for her to go to the dark side and she didn't. which was I thought? That's how they turned. Ben Sold back to the light side was of really good way. I denied see Harrison. Ford come back because he said he was layer that turn it back correct. I mean essentially really it was either implanted. That memory to him or he himself. It doesn't matter. Harrison Ford came back as a hassle which he said he would never do in a million years. Ya at which data I loved The second half I love their minute of it and now there's also some Easter eggs in the second half. I think they bought Dade head pictures of Darth Malik which is from nights the republic. No Statue of him. And there's another Lord I didn't catch. I didn't catch that at all. I didn't catch. Did you catch some of the Easter eggs in the voices of four center. Yes they do a so Catano a saga. which is that scares me? Because I was specifically asked somebody asked and they didn't they didn't necessarily think think about it ahead of time I believe is what they were saying but they were saying basically no that doesn't necessarily mean she's dead which is awesome. I love how brought every jet anybody who pretended par traded jet. I pretty much in that universe. Now I I didn't know Canaan Garrison Erin. I don't think so he. I don't remember. I don't think that he was no he wasn't I don't think he was. I enjoyed the second half a lot more than the first half. Now you to back and are- watched it. Yes what do you think I loved it. I liked it a lot more of the second time I watched it. Yeah I thought the first of all you worry less about all the little bullshit. Yeah you do points bothered you the first time absolutely the The eastern not these. The macguffin chases the national treasure national treasures point. Be Plot point that that's not even the slightest didn't bother me a second. The second time I watched. No it really didn't at all. It was actually kind of Nice. Yes because she just kind of you know like bounty Hunter Girl didn't bother me at all. I actually caught a lot a lot of stuff. I missed the first time that explained a lot of stuff looking for when they went to college. Isn't kitschy or where they where they find the bounty hunter girl that wants to kill. I think it's just could but anyway Kevin Smith is an actor in that our own that part he got to play one a guy that was being led by stormtrooper Being let off by stormtrooper. But he's got he's hooded and you can't see his face So he played a role in the movie and he put a big post up about being part of the Star Wars universe. Now you know like not just voice over but being a physical right portrayal. I didn't catch it though. He put up a still image of his like frame. Basically and I never I was looking looking looking at in catch it. I thought a couple of times. Maybe that was the one but he must be in there so so fast that really odd to get her Keri Russell. Kurt Russell's I think she never see your face really. Yeah I find it it really odd to get Keri Russell in a role that you never see your face that they're obviously gonNA take more than character. I think so I think they should story is what it really does. The bond hundred character the reds old hellman borrower that. Yeah Yeah I liked her. Yes I did the to do to. You'RE GONNA get the backstory between her and Paul. How Somewhere you know. Listen I'm sorry the thing I liked about it was at the and How they buried disguised as light sabers in ended that I attended was very nice? Then I'll show had a yellow sabre those so I explained that to amy amy at the end buried it and then she turned me. She's like why is she doing that. Like what's the deal. That was like listen. This is the end of that era. ARLY cannot around that and what he means the end like. It's the end of that era. You can't either. You keep those little. It's not it is is the end of that era of the palpitations skywalk. Yeah except she's a skywalker now. She's not she's says she is. She's not she's a penalty. Well Yeah I suggest that doesn't help anything. You okay. So she's not both well but it's it's the skywalker Saga not the pulpits and it continues. It continues her story does skywalker. Don't I duNno I duNno I all this guy. Walkers are done I guarantee you. You might see luke camelback is Marcie. Campbell Mark Hamill Awesome Luke skywalker. He'll be BASCO mark skywalker Luke back. But it'll be in the capacity of like a voice voice or a force ghost right away and all skywalker are dead at this point. Why don't they just do so Caetano all they need they will? I think it's coming. They absolutely will. We have so how much more time in our lives and in Disneyworld. All of this shit is going to happen. There is nothing that won't happen that we're talking about right now. I I guarantee you and the next by the in thirty years I think two things happen with the fans not liking the last year I that much and I think Disney really do. We need to take this step. This one's also very divisive much higher fan score. Yes but in the letter better really no. I don't think online thinking about it more. I need to see the second time. It's in the same vein as drag you Jerry. I think with Disney plus. I think they have a lot more avenues. Instead of having a blockbuster movie every single year to fans have to go to the movie theater I think with the mandatory paying hang off like it is that they can prove we can have a TV show. Like game of thrones like anything else star. Wars is better on the small screen. I do too but they make two billion every time they make a movie I duNno was Rogun was so strong I think it they need to just do it more indie style. Originally I guess people I want stuff like rules. I mean skywalker. Saga is Great. I'm glad it's over. I mean I'm all right with it. Honestly like I. I'm honestly honestly. In retrospect now that they've made these three movies it had which they wouldn't have done it that way I wish they wouldn't have brought back Luo Han and lay. I wish it were brought back. Luke skywalker I I. I would have been happy moving the whole story into a new forward direction and not having any of this. I needed Luke skywalker closure did you. Hey turn of the jet. I is the ultimate closure. I wanted leave Skywalker with his green light. Saber hacking people up that I needed or wanted like you. I completely agree with you dude. Because from the books that I've read about him continuing his like becoming a Jedi master and doing doing what he did and training people like. I wanted to see him be the best of the best throughout at least one movie showing his capability ability and then and then we could see as decline. You know but I didn't want to see I didn't want to see him. Be a bomb on an island throwing throwing a lightsaber away. Drink and tit milk off a student of so sources war. A goose scammell. I don't know what else you'd call it. Where do you get goose Kennel along? I mean they could do that. It'd be great to do in a series stories are an animated series. I hope they do for nanometer movie. Why don't they make animated movies? They should make an animated movie with with Marquette Voice. Because you can't really act anymore back then boy well I could take it back because they seventies joker joker generation Russian. That completely agree but he's can't take corvette summer. You're seeing it no you know. He's really good at Cock knocker. I don't James Strike back. I didn't really realize when they ever seen Jane Silence. Okay I didn't really realize that when they were making this new trilogy at the the very beginning I know they teased it with Han chewy. That was a big thing but I didn't know that that was the main focus of this and I think it needed to be. I don't think so he really. They thought he was going to play a lot. More instrumental part in the last Jedi. I mean he was horrified by what the he doesn't he didn't do them justice he doesn't like it he's never he's came out and expressed concern but he's never really said like I freaking hate these movies but he does he he does. They did him don't they. They done did him dirty dirty and they may lay of the hero of the entire side. All I mean it's Today's Day and age though. I really wish they would have done like I said. Just Luke skywalker packing pizza. How annoying is it like that? The number one headline that this is getting like all over his all about how people are pissed off because they clearly made Finn and Po in love with each other but Disney's is too chicken to make them gay. That's like a big thing going on. No Man that's no that's like there's headlines all over specifically searched the roster. Bring up billy Dee Williams and Harrison first of all. I think it's ridiculous. Because he's clearly hitting on that chick the whole entire movie. Well him and rose have of like. I think it's more of a disservice that they did. The two rows gave her treatment terrible. That's her explanation. Terrible Yep Yep a jar jar treatment think fin loves ray. I do yes absolutely absolutely what he was trying to now how they said it wasn't Jay. Jay said he was trying to tell her that he was forced sensitive. I said that I said from the beginning. Oh that's JJ says. I Guess Asoka would. We came out of the movie and we all agree on something. If we're moving forward star wars can we move on from. Jj of course just just like let's leave that. Let the past die the kill it if you must. This wasn't this wasn't the needed. I like how you did it I did. It was good. Wasn't the trilogy I needed. And I liked. I enjoyed aspects of it and it was fun and they were fun to watch. Listen so this is what we have and I love it for what it is. I agree and I'm glad Agai main but I don't care I'll watch them all again multiple times six years talk to them. Mm to the kids about it. You know of movies or seven years of movies and you know we live in a post marvel world now and we need more. Yeah I agree. I don't think a star I don't think star wars can be a marvel movie though. I don't think the style is the same. I don't think it needs to be just like you. Look at it and you go like the mandatory and you got rogue one get the clone wars again. I completely get that super successful books. Three a New York Times bestsellers. Well and you're like come on guys remember when Disney de took all the really kick ass books that I read as a kid and what not all of them I mean Gene Timothy Zahn came back with a whole new series of books. On like I said there's a there's a new throng coming out. It's already out. There's there's a there's like three of them out there is the new what's it called throng and then there's two more sequels to it. That are already out pretty. Sure there's also aired of the Jeddah which is Luke Skywalker Skywalker from a new hope to the empire strikes back. What how he's training himself because he he has nobody has gone? He has nobody to train him right. Self trains I know it's awesome that that would be a good show. I like the dynamic. Okay are we moving on from this. Sure yes uh-huh I one thing. I got super emotional. I got a little bit emotional about it the first time but the second time watching to the movie after Laya dies and when they come back and chewy finds out about it. Oh Yeah how can I get emotional about a big Gary Animal. Getting all worked up about this but I started thinking about it like holy cow him. Hon- I got like as soon as that happened like in and Chewy sees them die. Like I'm like Oh man I feel for this hair even after that anders growing but he goes like kind of he gets mad and starts doing stuff but then him next to the X.. Wing any like falls to his knees like this is the last person like that he could die. You know what I mean. I don't know oh just got so tied up in that and I was like. Oh my gosh told their metal from a new hope no he gets a medal. No that was yes because he'd never got a metal yeah. He was awarded a medal. Then no metal or Hans Mental had that they've said head that see what I read was that he was awarded a medal after the because they just WanNa hear what they said. Yeah it's Hans Metal Layer that makes more sense than him getting new medal but either way I'm glad he got a medal. Yeah no I felt that I feel bad for that fix up. And the force awakens gets killed just walks off the plane and lay runs directly up to ray and Han just into just kinda walks by you remember that scene. No it's completely they've you've done no. I don't remember that at all at the time when it all happens feel bad. Because he's like screams that moment within they come back in the Falcon to that planet. They land the plane and she comes running out and like lay comes running up to her and they're all hugging and just in the background. Just huge searle. It by really really really. Think that she'd hold it. You go back and rewatch that. This kind of message does a lot of problems. But it's didn't you think it's it's the best one which one Jeddah. Oh that's the force of one. Force Awakens I'm talking about. I thought you were talking about the last Jedi. The Force Awakens One. That happens right off. The Bat isn't it no. I think. The Force Awakens is probably the best one really so I'll have to watch them. I talk about member. Bury's that one no. I've never seen so much either. So they go back and they talk talk about. That's what that particular but really close to that. But how the Hollywood tugging at heartstrings Nicole member berries very solid Blah Blah but I think the force awakens has a lot of that they all do. Yeah of the Post. The previous movies too is kind of as you go back and watch the second or third time which I've seen him four or five times you go man that second new hope. Oh My oh my God it is the last day is empire and this movie is return of the Jedi. One hundred percent anyway is exactly like return of the Jedi because just like on the forest moon event or they have to go down there with a ground assault to take down the shield generator so they can attack the death star and this one they have to do aground assault to take down tower so they can't launch the fleet in the space. Yeah it's the same. It's all the same. Basically Luke goes is to emperor to the to the Throne Room to get turned to the dark side. Just like ray goes to the throne room to get turned into by the emperor and Vader. Peter Saves Him Saves Lulu killing the hour. And then Ben Ben Solo vader's grandson. Say's it's kind of brings her back to life but she is all she. Yeah this is one thing. I didn't mind at the time but it Kinda gets annoying. That's I am all the Jedi. Why it's like I'm all set? I don't know I just think it's like a little. It's a little arrogant you know. No I don't know. Why does she get to be all of the Jedi? They all live within her last one. Except for maybe Oda see the last Jedi. I don't know it's a movie that's called the last Jedi her anyway Still is a very enjoyable movie i. They're all enjoyable movies. They are but I've been watching the PREQUELS. I'm not there better movies. I'm not let us critical of like attack of the clones and I are better movies. Think the free closer butter because one thing the stacks you have fucking lightsaber battles yeah. They're they're fucking lightsaber Bentley. In I really love the lightsaber battle on the the death star ruins between Kylo. Hello and Ray. But it's really short. Yeah it's like ten minutes and it can skywalker and Obi one going after each other. which is a solid ten minutes of conine style battle? It's a pretty long long but I do love how they portrayed because the real life tired yeah that they can barely lift up there. I think think that's like the culmination of the movie rights like feather light so it doesn't matter but you're hurting yeah. I mean when you're swinging anything. Anything remember wrestling. He wrestled right three minutes or two with around two minutes. Two minutes is long two minutes. You're dead like you go from ready to go to two minutes later. You've expanded every ounce of energy out of your body and then you have a break and then you have to do it again. That's exactly what that would be like six run but anyway yes but you're right they don't you know yeah you look back at like attack of the clones are or even. The Phantom Menace Darth Maul double bladed. Lightsaber never came amount music. And now apparently everybody has double blue light sabers. Yeah like a big thing though. It is well. WHO's everybody I mean? Temple guards had them. I mean all the inquisitors have them but when that came out that that was huge out there was like whole staff is cool. WHO's everybody that has those uh-huh main characters like in. I don't know everybody hasn't who like every inquisitor Wizar- oh I thought you were talking about like main movies like no not really he's not mall. And then you see ray with one vision vision but darth Maul started it. That was the first double wave. Oh isn't that. That was a big thing for Jorge Luis unless there was some in like no nice liberal report it would have been after Vitamin Mattis. Yeah I don't know if there was any books Not Not that I remember the first one all all right but she dual wielded she did. That's not a dual wield though in the movies Anikin Anikin did it yet. It and then he get one of his arms cut off. He did by count do that. Because that's actually a Djeddai form of lightsaber battle. I mean according to fall in order that's nonsense according to to the legends books like rather than kill your enemy. You're better off cutting off their hands. They can't fight you anymore. It's a one of the things they talk. Make Sense. Yeah that's what I do in knife fights. Yeah I immediately cut your hands. I stabbed him in the ice th wrongly to go they still have their hands. Dole's it's a commonality what I've been watching what what nothing. Because I've been playing. Stop Star Star Wars Star Wars overdrive. Right now okay. I have been watching. Occasionally the clone wars have been watching the witcher some other stuff. I started watching. I watched touched attack of the clones. The other day loved it by the way. Can you do what's up. Finish the witcher. Yes that's where I'm doing next because I started playing jet iphone order I've been super deep into it. I don't know if I'd be out there listens as a Gamer Is Not what I expected it to be at all but I'm enjoying showing it greatly. It's it's got a great story so far the stories really really solid. It's not a super long game. No it's Kinda got a semi open world concept where you can do some exploring flooring it's it's pretty. It's a linear story. I've heard is pretty big. It's a big huge. Yeah it's huge maps. It's a linear story. There's not a lot out of reasons to go exploring outside of the main. Quests you WANNA get lightsaber. Yeah but they're worthless honchos and yeah now I mean if you want to go back and like stems stems are like health. Yeah things which I got all of them now you can get up to ten. I don't know how many you have but Go seek those out. Yeah because that makes the game a million times easier. Yeah but it's fun game. I mean there's a couple of things that I wasn't expecting looking at all it's like a I thought it was going to be more of a combat focused game but it's more like Prince of Persia like acrobatics and jumping and timing and real puzzles puzzles. Like those I do too. I mean I I enjoy. It is a puzzle based game and it's a very running and like wall running and swinging acrobatic based game. I'm still getting my combat kind of interlaced inbetween pitfall yes pencils lightsabres sons and like. Oh it's really honestly it's very some of the principal Game it's some of the newer or assassin's creed it's got off. There's a lot more free running than says creeds. But you're right I it's it's on more tactical base. You've got to think about your next move to where you're going to run to where you get the differences in existence creed it's it's really truly open world and this is there's clear defined paths. Yeah this is where you're supposed to go and it's a lot of like jumping in timing and jump this point. Hit The wall double jump. Grab that rope swing over there. Hit that Wall Tomb Raider Prince of Persia. It's just like that. If you've ever played prints of I never or tomb Raider Tomb Raider Crabs and dungeons. Now there's lots of dungeons though lots a Ha- cliffs to cliffs lots of close Laura Croft. It's beautiful the game looking overlooking some of the vistas. I really enjoy the acting. The main actor that plays the Djeddai that Cal cal is Cameron Mowing Monaghan. The guy that plays on Gotham pleased. Like the joker. Gotham yeah that guy. He's he's that guy he's good. He doesn't super good job. I really really What else does he shameless shameless? Yeah he's kind of actor actor right now. He's really popular. Yeah he seems like he's the he's gay in shameless. Yeah yeah that's I'd only seen a few seasons of that but that's the game combat wise. It's it's a pretty challenging game honestly is it. Can you pick like y'all for sure easy. And I'm on Jedi Knight Mode which is just in from the bottom. Yeah there's two modes Jedi master and something else above that. I couldn't even imagine something above jet I I cannot even imagine playing it at a higher level the playing in it now it's grandmasters bullshit. It's done the fight with the the ninth sister on Sheikh Sheikh second sister on cheek well the big the big one. That's not reality seven times better than that I have not you have been the cause. Sheikh twice awesome. No I have not. I've not played not gone against her yet. Oh boy you've got a long Sea Knight Sisters Action Comic Books. Yeah innovator count so you fight the night sister once yeah okay. ZOPPO ZIPPO and then you go back to cacique a second time and you the second time you go back is when you get like a lot of the final abilities. Anyway you climb the mother tree. It's just Avatar Avatar. It's just like Avatar you right around a big giant bird like creature like Avatar really exactly the same anyway you get up there then. You have a really wicked difficult. Fight with the ninth sister which is like a gigantic Djeddai inquisitor and it is brutal fight and everything after that. Why are you fighting another Jedi? She's wizard Wizar- she's inquisitor so she's Need to what you need to read the Vader vader down. It's so it's the newest fater comic book. I'll buy Arbil and it's really good in all these inquisitors out there and pretty much starts off foam right after death and then tells you takes you almost all the way up through to not quite present day but it's okay and even in clone wars venturous apprentice store. Count Duku right. She isn't Seth Ninety more. She quit being assist but there was an inquisitor right. No no yeah. She redeemed herself. So what's the difference between forced sensitive soldier that does usually wield lightsabres that haunt jet. Did I yeah. That's their jet is what they are. Okay Yeah yes. They are because grand. INQUISITOR from rebels was temple guard. And so it's a really fun game It's like not amazing. Yeah by any means visit that by Gameplay wise I think the force unleashed I had a lot more forced powers where you can pick up a storm to see and that's what I want. You don't get a screw with them. I'm a little bit and so there's not much for stuff in the gather. Is Somebody memory. This is this is a a a a paddle on that loses his master and hides so so he shut himself off to the forest and he's relearning the forces he's going through the game so that's kind of the whole point of it is that he's learning everything so he's not a true Jedi yet. I night he's relearning. Everything a lot of the force powers you use are based on lightsaber content combat so different lightsaber. Tactic moves right right. You do have poll and push and double jump. You get later which is very helpful in slow. You could slow time. Paul is the greatest. Because you just pull just like shoot up stabbed there. I mean is that based off the movie no I mean. The movie is based off the game. Never let a game series since Atari really yes never heard. They had one a big one for experts. The xbox three sixty at the Santa Time Janssen time. Yes that was a super really popular. Oh really and you slow time and you do a lot of wall running and it's puzzle based room. I'd never heard of any of these. So this honestly isn't like a combat heavy game but the combat and you do pretty difficult. They don't make it easy. You know zero like a Yank in jerk. What does that mean is there? There's a bunch of pull and push rush the snow you can pull people to you and then stabbed them. Hold droids to you and reprogram them. Have you done that got The I haven't done later on you can pull the those big attack droids like the one in rogue one really. You can pull them to you after after you get their life almost down. You can reprogram them and they'll fight for you know shit sweet really. Yeah I just found that out the end. It's very helpful but they have Turns out that's very helpful. Part of the game. Not a lot of regular stormtroopers. A lot of them are like the regular stormtroopers reflect one laser bulletin you deflect laser right back at one shot and killed him and the more nice annoyance anything but but later on they have they have heavy artillery guys with shields with yeah and they have flame troopers and they have a shock troopers scout troopers they have. I mean maybe maybe. Yoda defeated aflame trooper so troopers captains with the laser sticks through the most annoying. They are extremely difficult very difficult like they happened early in the game. And then you're super pissed off when you're like twenty hours into a game and you're at the end and you're still getting your sp by are these guys on. It's not really. It's not a bossy. I'm on the same you. And he's not a button. mashing game no no no. It's a timing game very taming. The back seems very much like the witcher three. You have to think about what you're okay can't go. XXXXX ex- Mash Smash Smash. That's what force awakens is used for some. has this one very much like when you do get later on the game. You can upgrade your lightsaber. Combat Strength So you deal more damage. That's helpful you do get a dual bladed sabre which which is very nice for certain things. And then at the very end of the game you can oppression spoils but you can do all wield only for one move but it's a very devastating move Do all wheel. Dr Morrow Yeah But honestly once you beat that one boss I'd like how later in the later levels of the game. They've got to get to the point where they're like okay. I mean clearly. You're you're good enough at combat to get through this so we're just gonNa Kinda like lay off a little bit and let you just kind of play. The Story Ori which I thought was smart on their part. They don't just make an annoyance at the end that you've got to keep defeating like all these people right you know. So that's kind of cool and at the end to you kind of realized that like I can just run by all these people. Yeah there's really nothing no reason I have to stop and fight them for the most part. Really Yeah Yeah. I mean when you're exploring area initially and following the storyline you have to fight your way through it. But then there's a period of time or something happens and you got to move back through the entire map. So have you finished you finish the game. Then I'm very close like I'm on the very last sequence sequence. Yeah Yeah and you're not unbought halfway say not quite half finishing on on so you've been once once and back back actives up. Oh yeah you're about halfway so I plan on getting a lot further ahead on New Year's Day but a bracy said he wanted to play so he threw a fit and my wife made me quit and then Bryce didn't WanNa play and then I was just pissed off so I just I have come to the realization that this will probably be the last video game overplay. That's not true It has it will love issues. I understand that that's why I don't play video games anymore. Yeah I don't know how I can do it anymore that I sit down to do it. It's like the end of the war. So any I had the discussion talking about this video game coming out or that it came out and I was like man. Sounds really great this and that. And she's like why don't you get it now. It's like there's a reason why I don't get this team I was like. Do you understand what it's going take for me to play it. And she's like well. What do you mean like hours of my time just sitting here staring at a TV playing this game? How's that GONNA pan out well? You can't do that okay. So not getting ema the and and here I am still not without without that game. The more you talk about it is like I think tomorrow. I'm going to download the game and play it but you have an xbox one right yeah you can just have mine when when I'm done but you can just can't you just download it. You'RE GONNA pay for it all right. I mean but I have the disk. You don't need the disk. The play do yes but if I give you the disk you don't have to buy it. I know but I'm saying like couldn't you just do that tomorrow and you don't it doesn't i. Need the disk to play it you you do. That's howling so download it off the Internet needed disc. Yeah but you pay for it right so if you buy if you buy the disk disc you still download the game but you still have to run it. The RUB is there. You can sell it right and I always just thought I see what you mean. I wanted the disk. And that's when I didn't realize that like if you just donald the game you don't need anything you can just play you. Just play yeah and now I don't ever GonNa buy a disc I've never been buying disk. I haven't bought any. I don't know why you would because the disks if the disk goes bad. You're you're screwed. Yeah so what I do. Is I have an external hard drive life. And when I'm done with the game I moved to my external hard drive and it's always there because for some reason my xboxes two terabyte xbox yes those mine nine one addition so I do too but I just got rid of it. I got a new one. Oh you did an xbox one x I think it might be four terabyte. It's it has to because Second Gen X.. I bought it because I wanted to say one. It's an original expert but it's like they just switched like three weeks ago because I wanted a four K.. The old one won't play four K.. I'm not switch until you have to have a four K.. TV correct so. What's the difference? Don't have one. Yeah you know. But you're GONNA use your Amazon Point. It comes next week. I know that was the joke. Very you know what you should not finish that game to get that. I got a seventy five inch video whore five inch yeah man. Yeah Buddy I was going to go for the eighty two inch. Should the half my brother. My brother always had over eighty inch. TV vacuous can never got my. You've been in my house. My fifty five is gigantic. And I couldn't imagine aged seventy two seventy five seventy five. Let's minds I've got a fifty five inch TV and it's not that gigantic compared to your room is bigger her the size of the room only one room in my house. So that's what makes it look like fifty five inches Sony. Top Line to forty refresh. It's death for gaming aiming I mean but now a four K.. Two four rushes past. You don't need it for KS. Changed at all now have AKA. That's they do ooh. They've already been that like you can barely discern a difference. Human Vision can barely discern any differences from over four K.. So leave ADP to your forecast up to four K.. You can see a difference. Rarely ten eighty P is more than what you're saying is there's A. Yeah so if I do this like if I squint my eyes they don't take a bigger TV. Honestly if I play a video game I cannot read anything I know. I can't eat it. What they make the text so small? I have to stand up when I saw like an old person. I stand up in France to make aiming chair Miami Maggie me I mean. My Wife's rocking chair goes in front of the fucking to you. have to and there's a buffet on the bottom. I sit there. Oh Man. That's why a lever a pill put my parents don't gotta get up Bumba Pat. I got them Hambro rolaids Jerry. I got him. Do you want to sit in rocking chair for three hours. Straight playing GOP allowed allowed to. I already said that so well. That's not even have the game apparently either high because my wife my son overruled me. He threw fucking fit high. He wanted to play kids overrule everything. Everything is so. I got to a point where I could quit and save the game and I'm like go man around Plano mother fucker. Yeah and then you go then the John and the dead going. It's a hard game that'd be it's it's a hard game to stop playing. It is very because like the the save points are spaced out just right. Yeah that by the time you finally get to first of all. It's not like an auto save feature which is infuriating for auto safety. There's no Auto Save No. You have to manually point win so when you do save from humanely save it regenerates every enemy on. Okay listen to how this works. That sounds here at addict. There are save points out the map. Okay and if you get to a save point meditation points and you do a jet meditation Okay and and at that point. The game is saved from that spot. Yeah at that save point. You can either upgrade your Jedi abilities. If you've got enough skill points or you can rest which regenerates. It's all of your health and stem packs right but the RUB is if you rest and regenerate your health it responds all the enemies that you've defeated which which I'm fine with because that's how you earn more skill points so if you go forward like through level a hard area and then you're like I'm going to go back and save just in case you have to go backwards ackward to say. Oh you can keep going forward but say if you went through a hard area and your health was really low. Yeah and you're like I wanna go back now and just save all all of the rest of your health. It responds all those enemies. Here's another interesting factor. If you save okay so most of the time what you find is you just save and you don't oh rest because if you die you're going to go back to that same point anyway right and then you're going to be respond however if you go save and you go through a level right and you get killed you go back to that same point right. But you've lost all of the X P that you've built from that point forward. One of the nightmare to get back is go back and kill that enemy that killed you and they will be glowing yellow and the first time you strike them you will get off your xp back and all of your health back and you will go to a hundred percent health. I mean that makes it better that they just take it away completely right but at I i. It's infuriating but kind of get used to space them out close. Thank you can Xp Farm Pretty Fast. If you wanted to you can but if you point to doing there's not I mean if you if you aren't too early in the game you could. You guys really aren't solemn this game to me. It's fun I like it. It's nothing like amazing. I mean everything you've talked about gets me aggravated. Hey you like you get to stab joining the thing. That really ticks me off and so that you can slice a animal and the game into or droid or -joyed but not a stormtrooper. No no that's true. Now that pisses me out I wanted to be able to. I mean you can pull them up in front of your face with forest poll and stabbed him through the heart with its. Yeah but you can't cut them into good. Yeah Before Sally shooting guys on fire. Yeah they would incinerate. Yeah sure you go Dauth Amir which is where like Darth Maul. Some people are from. That's creepy planet. There's a lot of creepy places you go like when you go back. Go Back Cacique the second time. There's a creepy little forest that you go underground forced to go into. It's Kinda scary. Yeah the Chateau Yep doing. That's originally from no the old republic. Oh really yeah. I don't remember that it's the first time you go to the shadow lands. Yeah there's like five or or six planets he hit two of which you've heard before can she can which is the wookey Home Planet? Yep and Dafa Mir which is darth malls home planet. And then you go later on to a couple that you haven't got to yet. I won't spoil them. That's fine anyway. It's fun wanted to check out. I think twenty twenty hours at least twenty five hours the main story east. It's cool play all right Jerry get it yeah. I'll have to get it all. Go go by yourself. Eighty five inch four K.. T. in the basement fit in eighty five inch anywhere in my house. But I do. I could probably good. You could fit on the wall where your TV is right now. I don't think so. Yes absolutely so. We have eighty five inches diagonally. So I understand I just we blow up my TV. So I can get a new one. How can we blow it up? Like like ruin. I don't know just like a lightning strike. Throw something at it. Cracked the screen blamed. Your one of your kids. Yeah crack the corner if you correct the corner of any of those taper battle. Just stick a screwdriver in like in a seem in Krakow it. And you're like Oh man it's like what and then you walk in and then you you walk in the room. What happened? Who did this? You get a new one. I had one my last year because my older got struck by lightning. I did the same thing I had to replace to video. TV's from being struck by lightning man. You guys that was when I I lived in town lasagna. and My home homeowners insurance replaced all that. Yeah it's pretty great by Renter's insurance right because I'm a renter right. Of course you're well. I Dunno I think that about sums up this episode it was all about Star Wars again which is fitting because of the season it is the star wars season. It is and it's pretty much over now. Yeah now now that we got your review. It basically is. We've talked about man. delorean that's done is a skywalker is done. Your review of rises skywalk all in order following orders whereas Don Volun- order story line by the way it really does like it deepens that period of time right after order sixty six is Leeann. It's a period time after that It makes the fall out of that. Well it makes you think about the perspective of the jet how they got portrayed and you realize that dinghy they they dig it portray wasn't the clones fault that there were clones from like rebels. If you're watch rebels just see that that you know there were some that didn't portray trey the jet. I in there are few and far between but yeah they were able to take out during their chips. Yeah but the story is really good. It's it's probably worth Earth plan just for the story to be honest. It's really solid story here at that. Yeah they don't overwhelm you with cut scenes very few there is very few actually just lighting levels over cuts on. There's a point where I like cutting scenes just to watch but they're annoying like gets in the way of game play and there's a lot of times they do over game play which I really like like over radio. Oh yeah that's pretty cool a lot of a lot of it. That's how you're GonNa you're exposition is like while you're playing really are talking to you like that that's cool. I think we've wrapped up right. You good the dude. I'm good right for SNARF. Talk Number Fifty eight while I Chris. Oh sorry I talked over you know. Sorry I I no no please oh you go you go I think you should okay. You're older I've been Chris. I'm June for you. Uh mm-hmm the.

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Movie Characters That Deserve Holiday Specials Like Deadpool - Mailbag

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Movie Characters That Deserve Holiday Specials Like Deadpool - Mailbag

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It is your Sunday edition of collider mailbag on this wonderful thanksgiving weekend Roca, holiday, I did I lot I barely made it in here to do this. But hey thanksgiving is over you know, what time it is. Now, the weather outside is fried. Yeah. For Christmas music. I'm so excited. Sirius XM has like three stages year. I am jumping all over. I've been resisting listening to loud to thanksgiving. But every once in a while like, I come across it. So now, I'm excited. Let's do it full bore all day twenty four seven my parents, don't even wait until thanks. Oh, come November. That one of the Sirius XM stations is on in the house all the time. I'm kind of fine with it. I definitely got like a toe in the holiday cheer world. Let's go. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. And I enjoy thanksgiving with my family. I suspect they did have a good time. It was also my birthday on thanksgiving. So a double good time. Whatever that means that I mean, I hope you didn't forget to wish me. I remember now again. I love doing the background. We are before our heads spin wildly out of control. Let me remind you that this show does not only exist in video for tell everybody, you know, to listen to us on podcast one. And I tuned we are on the movie talk feed. So if you wanna take mail back on the go, that's how you do while you're driving. Now, we need to cover where you guys met your question or places Email melting gladder dot com, Twitter, Instagram Facebook that easy then questions in lake these five fine. People dead. You ready for number one? Let's do it. Here you first Witter question today comes from M w Mike eleven who writes, what was your first holiday movie? You remember seeing ever mine was the Santa Claus. It's a good question. And I will say because I'm an old school guy. It's a wonderful life was the first holiday movie that I can recall ever seeing. Yes, I saw those Rankin bass specials they did for Rudolph in the year that Santa Claus. But it's a wonderful life is the number one thing that my. My parents absolutely love that movie for what it symbolizes and what it talks about. So it's something I grew up on all the time. It was on every station back. Then when I was growing up, it didn't have exclusive rights to NBC. So you could watch it on one station literally changed the channel to another station using the knobs or the early remote controls, and it would be playing on that station as well. So it's a film that my mom and dad just absolutely love. So they schooled us on that film over and over and over again, you made me think I didn't put a Rudolph on my list. But actually that is probably one of the first ones and actually another one that isn't on my list. That's just coming to my now is also a Christmas story. Oh, yeah. Growing up, and for whatever reason my sister despises that movie. Like to the point where when we'll be home at my parents house during Christmas time, I'll put it on because I still enjoy watching it today, and she'll leave the room or demand that I shut it up. I don't know what she's not against it. But the the more prominent ones that are seared in my brain are home alone. I was very into home alone growing up watch it over and over and over and kind of dreamed of being left home alone. So I could try to be like Kevin. But thankfully that never happened. Also, I had a really really strong addiction to nightmare before Christmas to the point that when that movie hit theaters, I remember making my grandparents take me to see multiple times. I had the piano sheet music, even though I sucked a piano jingle all the way. It was a growing up. Classic for me to do you sell that one jingle away? I also had a little addiction to all. I want for Christmas because it had eaten Embry in it and a big crush on him. Choices. I think nowadays Elvis probably something only an people grow up on Christmas vacation is my of my generation as well. Kind of seeing that one home alone definitely qualify as for my experiences those, but we we get together every year, my friends, and I have a focus miss where we all get together. Yes. Actually know there's a lot of us get together in one house, and we may we bring food or we make food that morning everyone's in their PJ's, no showers, and then we watch the as if it's Christmas morning, and we watch Christmas movies all day together all the way until the night. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Love actually has broken in recently. So that's one of those ones we watch all the time is probably be with my family. We'll probably go to the movie theater. I think the maybe the Sunday before Christmas this year. That's when my whole family gets together. And we'd do a secret Santa's slash Hanukkah party. And we all just exchange gifts then to. Yeah. Let's cool. I'm role in town together. That's nice. That's look forward to it. You want to read question absolute. This one's from Twitter as well. From at secret fire pub, I don't want to know anything more about that what holiday movie plot specific not release date. Kooky improved by moving into a different holiday example, what if diehard is moved from a Christmas movie kind of to a fourth of July movie, which I think they kind of did what would that look like segment about love the show. I love this question. It's like a really use a Chaz meeting creative question. The first movie that came to mind is one that I already mentioned and it's nightmare before Christmas. Just because that movie is so heavily tied to Halloween and Christmas. But we know that that land has other holidays also. So it seems like such an easy thing. If they ever did wanna make another installment to just open the door up to another holiday, maybe. And speaking of a franchise that could open the door to other holidays trick or treat, you know, the movie. So trick or treat. I know. They did a bunch of shorts. And I think even a comic with Sam where they tapped into some other holidays too. But I love the idea of even if you do want to keep the horror spin on it bringing that to another holiday, maybe even finding out that, you know, it was Sam represents Halloween and some other creepy creature represents another holiday, and then the last one I have also I mentioned is what if home alone took place on Halloween your story, really literally right home ally plane. No. But I did it only because I was hosting Mary. I'm like, I got to come up with a horror one and home alone on Halloween just made so much sense. Because what if that whole movie is Kevin super afraid that someone all the way in and these sticky bandits called our actually banned the weapon are more horrific and scary and have more -bility to 'cause Kevin nightmares while he's stuck in his house the whole time. I think that would be. Interesting to explore you could completely do a horror movie out of home alone. So maybe this is the horror movie that brings us together. Oh, there you go. Like, yeah. You you're I think the horror genre is growing on you. Well, no, I think the horizontal has always been that's the misconception the horror. Genre has always been a part of my life. I've just been selective about the horror movies that I do see I'm not a fan of slasher films, negative statements about the John overall joke around about it. Yes. Thinking recently. Yes, I agree with you recently. There's been an elevation in the quality consistently in the quality in the writing in the production in the acting and in the overall end result of the films. So I've enjoyed this horror renaissance actually just because I'm curious now, what's your favorite movie of two thousand eighteen or at least what comes to mind, certainly comes to mind. I that's the number one. I've never I've been that scared at the quite some time the fact that I can't even look at the screen that scared me do that. All right next question for today is from Eric no Guerra oath three who writes with deadpool getting his own holiday movie what other fictional character doesn't necessarily have to be superhero related. Would you be curious to see get their own holiday movie or TV special? Thanks and keep up the great content. Well, look, the first thing that occurred to me was wouldn't it? Be funny. Hell boy had his own Holloway like Christmas special. I was in studio with because Ron Perlman was just unconsciously. I saw like oh thinking about hell boy. But it just occurred to me that would be so fun with all the different characters coming together on a on a Christmas. And what would what adventures they would get into because obviously some evil character would come in and mess with them, and they go on a whole 'nother thing, and it'd be a fantastic holiday movie with Christmas. The other one just kind of a little strange in my mind would be a holiday movie in the game of thrones universe. A Christmas with the Lancasters to me is just genius on so many levels because they can go in so many different directions with so many, interestingly weird and evil and conniving characters like Searcy and Tyrian and all the other Lancasters. It would be very interesting game of thrones came to mind, but for our next question, and I'm not now have spoil it. So the idea of celebrating a holiday with anybody. Game of thrones just brings me immediately to the red wedding where so many important people in the same room, something bad is gonna but for this question. I think we should get a slasher holiday special, and it could be along the lines of let's say a heart anthology like trick or treat where each conic slasher gets their own segment about celebrating celebrating thanksgiving or Christmas or something. I love that. Also, I like the idea of Carl from up getting his own Christmas special just because you know, I mean, obviously, they warmed his heart towards the end of the movie, but he's he's a little bit of a Grinch. Yeah. So I thought that would be interesting, and then Harry Potter. I'm actually kind of surprised we've never got any sort of Harry Potter Christmas special. Oh, yo where it's not just I mean the winter ball in the goblet of fire, but it was necessary. The Christmas holiday, even if they produced some original content and air during the actual holiday season or something. You're absolutely right. It would be great to see that. But you know in school you get sent home for Christmas. So they have to go back to their mobile at least airy has to go back to his muggle on Ogle and deal with that crap. So you don't necessarily have a Christmas adventure there because it'd be in the real world make it worse. So they decide screw it. Let's go on Christmas adventure, and then we've got holiday special, and they'll do that. Yeah. I thought so all right next up. You can read Twitter. Sorry, R J V G R J G ninety two opem saying that right? He writes if given the chance to celebrate thanksgiving with your family with any fictional characters. Your host who would it be thanksgiving with Tony stark at the vendors compound would be amazing. Let's be RV j g you would have anything with Tony stark at the edges. Compound would be a lot of fun. What's going on? I just started figuring you pronouncing that different way like just. There are. Vitre vs. You're like star. Something away. All right. Go ahead. Oh boy. So. I'm thinking specifically about the house that I wanna be and 'cause then that's the path RJ BG. Auspey? Jeez forgotten beaches. I I because I already brought this up on the show I want to celebrate the holidays in Hong courts because it's freaking beautiful. It's beautiful. The other thing that came to mind because have you ever been on a plane with the TV's on the plane, and like you're watching something that you want to be watching? But the person next to you is also watching something you want to be watching. So it's like you're watching and then you're like you're trying to side I and there and creep on their show too. So I was watching some football recently on my way back to LA from New York, the person next to me was watching Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is. So so good that is a movie that I can still thoroughly enjoy without the sound on which is basically what I was doing on the plane. But this question made me think I want to celebrate the holidays in that house at that dinner table with Beetlejuice kind of doing his thing and make an creepy that is my kind of holiday celebration the other people would want to celebrate it with the Gena Davis Alec Baldwin. Actors you want to celebrate it with bilges because you would mind the madcap hilarity, which is very funny because Perry is supremely organized supremely anal about cleansing Clinton being cleaned. But then you throw in this you throw it. But you like this Beetlejuice stuff which would throw everything in the disarray, his interesting dichotomy in Perry number, but I will say this Beetlejuice is a fantastic choice. Harry Potter is great. I love that idea of. Here's why have the wand here. But my choice is showing off your. I would say because no one's like in-space. I have always wanted. And I don't want to piss off in the Star Wars fans, but I've always wanted to Star Trek Christmas special there. I'm sure there's been a Star Trek episodes about Christmas that I can't recall right now, but a Star Trek Christmas special movie would be fantastic. But this idea is like what fictional character, which one is your host. I would want captain Kirk to host a thanksgiving meal. You know, why? Because he would remind me like old school family members that sit up there and tell you stories ad nauseam while not being aware of how much their monopolizing the conversation and just go on and on and on, and you would just be fascinated by the incredible stories, and he's as he got drunk on the eggnog, then the real truth would come out about his feelings about that crew. And that would be a blessed to be in presence of as you were saying that I don't know what the release schedule for them is. But wouldn't it be really smart to make one of those Star Trek discovery shorts a holiday all young? Yeah. Actually, really need to catch up on those before the season kicks off January, by the way. I wanna throw one story in you mentioned Beetlejuice, one of the saddest days of my life was when I'll dishes at Universal Studios to play Beetlejuice, and I didn't get past the second round of additions. I have questions. What do you have to do to audition way, you have to come up with a monologue that Beetlejuice would do not from the movie people? Make the mistake in come in with the movie, they don't want to see the movie because you're going to be improving the character of the whole time on when you're out there, guests, you improv everything. You mess with the guest there's parameters that you can't cross certain things you can't say, but it's Beetlejuice so people come in already with the knowledge that he's going to be a little grocer little more off a little more Bluey works blue. But no, no, no kind of like overt references to anything sexual or any cuss words, but you can come up with stuff. So I came up and did a whole monologue by I think it was about New York and go into a Yankees game as Beetlejuice what that would be like ensues oily out there and watch. I do all kinds of things. What do you do all kinds of stuff? But eventually I just didn't get past the second round. I think they I think my body type wasn't necessarily Beetlejuice because they were looking for like six foot tall lanky. Yeah. Yeah. Tall lanky? So even though he's got that like, many gut, but it's like, it's not an actual thing. So you put it on. So I didn't quite make cut the mustard there. But I really it was one of the sad moments of my additioning careers. Not getting that part because I really wanted. I got like the biggest kick out of that. I think it'd be a great Beetlejuice to be honest. Maybe maybe schmo down entrance. Oh now, maybe the evidence. Mass by ever retire. The law just do whatever I wanna do when I walk in. Maybe. We got one more to hit today. And it's from Lewis DP seventy nine who writes, if you're Santa Claus, which director or company, would you give them the budget to make any movie, honestly? And this is certainly once again, I won't crossing lines. But Denise Villeneuve is absolutely my number one favorite from director right now. Currently working everything he's done. I have thoroughly loved and gun back to and learned as still a student of film at my age. I'm still learning what these directors can do on screen and create and so for me than even a new taking over Star Wars having him do a Star Wars movie his way, I think it would have a lot more depth complexity. I think the storylines would be interesting to explore in the visuals would be off the charts. And so for me, that's what this idea of him taking over and doing a trilogy of films in the Star Wars universe directed by Denise Lenovo. Just excite me to no end, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But one of my answers that I wrote down happens to be giving gear Modell Toro, all the financing. He needs to make his own star. They wouldn't just a master of creative imaginative things in creatures. I feel like if he was at the helm of a Star Wars movie. We would see a really really rich world builds or maybe to further enrich the world that we already have the other thing that came to mind is so at first I started to think about directors. I that I really admire and what I would want them to make and then I kind of reverse it and thought about a movie, I really wanna see and no surprise here. It's freak and final destination. Six how have we not had another installment that that franchise? It's filing to me. He said its final they said, they said the final destination final destination four got five which I actually do like where five ended, but I still think that that idea is prime for more movies. And if I could choose. One director to give the sixth installment of that franchise to I think it would have to be drew Goddard between interests like he does with cabin in the woods. And just you could see that he understands the genre. He understands all those fun tropes. And that's something that comes through big time in those final destination kill sequences, but also just the complexity in the mystery that he so successfully just like chiefs big time in bad times at the El royale. I just love how he so intricately weaves all those characters and their stories together and final destination is usually about a group of people coming together because they happen to survive the opening tragedy in the movie, I just think he'd be so good with that franchise. A great one you bring up. I would thoroughly look forward to his final destination movie slash I wish that could have should I write a letter to send work to it. You've been nice. Okay. I'll try. Yes. I haven't been nice all year. And so as Dewey all right that not. This guy though, we need to establish that. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not even fighting. I've been totally naughty. Oh, boy, not really back. That's it. We're adding that isn't your Sunday edition of collider mailbag, a huge. Thank you guys for spending some of your holiday weekend with us. I hope you had a wonderful one. We will see you soon. 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Crime in Music 58: I'm Aaron Carter and I Did NOT Blow a Seal!

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Crime in Music 58: I'm Aaron Carter and I Did NOT Blow a Seal!

"Low again and welcome to crime music. I'm your host. Brian g kinsley and with me today hoy. It's jason roy apron. Hey jason every other week as you know we'll bring you new podcast about people in and around the music industry and their misadventures into lawbreaking. If you like music history murder mystery people with eccentricity. You've come to the right place you're going to share with your friends and tell a relative right because that's what we need. We need to get some people around the map. We've got a decent amount of people so far following us. But if you know someone i think we're looking for hawaii again with hawaii some months and another month the drop off and they'll tell people and they'll tell people nobel two more so if you know somebody please send him your favorite episode reach out to us on the social media is if you'd like to talk to us and get shout out on the show boy what's What's up today. jason roy. Well bryan a lot. Sounds like ben's car that i purchased for three hundred dollars. Oh yes that's right. yeah Last week somebody clipped me on the expressway on my way to work friday. It just stopped running on the side of the road. Turns out at broke down seven minutes from your house so i had it towed and we did some pretty mainly things we did. We got superman league this afternoon. And then we worked on the car. Yeah it was really good. Yeah no ben's old car sitting in my driveway for a day and night so thanks. Ben laid back now. It's back in running. I believe the repairs. Did i think we got it anyway. boy today. We're gonna talk about some manley things also and there's some people there are some cars that are involved. Actually we both cracks beers. There's some beers involved in this today. Also you're listening to that. It's i gotta respect for the guy because he kinda got his popularity came from strictly standup. Not because of snl. Because of any sitcom deal. But brian regan. Oh yeah yeah absolutely. Do you ever hear this kit. This is just me and my father was a mechanic. My father-in-law's mechanic. Nothing is skipped over me. Skip this generation. But there's a part where he talks about how he knows nothing about cards and he has to win some broken on his car. He has to actually make the sound. The car makes you can't describe like he talked to the mechanic. Yeah it's going ringing in. That was makes. I'm talking to my father-in-law. And i'm just kind of like cuckoo cuckoo. And he didn't know what it was actually really for him to wear it. He's like fuel line. Was the fuel lie. I thought it was impressive. Like the old school the fact that you're out there working on the car but the new school your facetime and a mechanic while you're working on the is this look right to you later. Get your phone up underneath doing so. Yeah that's the one why you keep talking about all right on to the show. Let's talk about that. Are you ready for guessing who today's guest. I'm never ready for this. Stresses me out. That's what every time the music gets me that throws me like i always think of like like like grain elaborately johnny cash before you come out and playing like that music. And he's like he's like all right. Everybody thinks we're going like that's for some reason my mind goes there. You're on the before your performance around the stage. Yeah well let's kick it off coming to the stage right. This week's guest guest you ready to go here. We go right. They call him the little prince pop. Little princip hop tevin campbell. No no no no Big gay got a big a no just big as a thinking. That is the relevant to his name. His name like arnold call you big a for no reason. I mean maybe got a lotta as in school okay. Can i ask you questions. Sure all right Would you has he put out. Or she put out any type of material in the last fifteen years Yes okay Would you say rock and roll rb. Closer another one. Let's go here. They some people call him. Chucky chucky chuck period chuck variants correct About we got a minute lodged from the Public enemy no some big call him air boy air boy air boy now airbud now air dear boy okay. That's funny Do you have a dog in the studio today. little prints pop big h chucky. Air boy Ac slater yes. It's more taking with him. Yeah mario got a huge following in the musical industry. Mc abc acc. That's a big seconds left. I'm blinking just. She'd carter Eric harder So let me shack. That's how ide- shack exact loom man. All right let's get rid of that. We're going to give you your clap. Did the last question the last guest. Jeez well where's my brain. The last hint was brother of backstreet. Boy nick carter. You are correct. It's aaron carter. What do you know about aaron current. I know that's how i beat. That's how i check. I remember. I think i was too old wife disney channel but was nothing weird about it. That's now allows watching it. But i remember they would always have like well now. They used to do it with like they'd have like selena gomez with like the magic line during the mouse years. Oh yeah and then like at the end you'd like disney and they did that with like was it the sweet life. Zack and cody yup. Yeah but i remember they would always have like these little music videos in between the commercials you know. Just kind of their way of peddling their you know. I can act answering. Yeah but i remember. Yeah that's how i beat shaq and just remember shacks like line in that. He had a couple of nights. he was involved in the song. He's like he's rapping about how he was playing basketball and playing shaquille o'neal eventually killing. It's back ooh won't blew. It was just like the most lake. But yeah i actually. I like those gold bond commercials. Yeah actually. I bought the single for that on cd. And we were up at matt's place and it was like a rush day and we put it in and he immediately loved the song because it was just so absurd and be checked. Yeah he's not like it was just a gimmick and it was a wafer shaquille o'neal the get his name out. There was a way for disney. Make money he was it was just. Oh and we're going to cover saw we're going to cover all of that face tattoo you right. That's many act. We will get there everybody alright. Starting december seven nineteen shakeel. O looks back at that with the he's done a lie. I don't know you would remember something like that over. Sure your a music video. Yeah got a song on the radio. And i'm sure your charting on. Trl we're gonna start in seventh nineteen eighty-seven born aaron charles carter in tampa florida usa. Two parents jane elizabeth and her husband robert gene carter genius. Don't a bar called. The yankee rebel in jamestown new york city and several years later the family moves to ruskin florida to manage. Retirement home called the garden villa retirement home and looking it up. It seemed like a nice place to die. So i would with the retirement home. That's not too far from my house. The spotted palm. Oh yeah Let's see here is older brother. Nick carter as we mentioned is in the backstreet boys. We'll give you wanna give people quick idea the backstreet boys. It's boy band came out. Can't actually boys was new kids. Nick carter it was Who's in that nick. The one Aj they had to have a badge. Mclean there you go. He was like the donnie in. But the thing about those boy bands. They followed a template right. They did and they had you had to have like the heartthrob. You had to have the bad boy you had to have the mysterious one. They had the one that didn't really like belong there. Like was it howie. How how would there is how that was the bad boy how he be. I think it was. He was the one that had the tattoos. The goatee then. You had the other howie. I think he had the ponytail and he was he was latino. And then you had The guy that was like forty five in the ban taller old guy. Do you all do. But who was the Perlman was lou. Lou pearlman into loop early. Part of that whole deal was because there was the backstreet boys they were kind of that was like the whole. Trl way at backstreet boys. You had ninety eight degrees even though town liquid dreams baby. Yeah yeah so. I'm actually angel fan myself actually angel. I forgot about reality. Show on over that. I made it my songs on the rich angel. Hell yeah yeah there you go all right. So that's the backstreet boys he. He's the younger brother of nick. Carter of the backstreet boys. So he's what marky mark was. Oh you new-kids-on-the-block correct he. He's he's he's mark mark of the backstreet boys all right so they've got some sisters though he's got twin sister name angel she's a model we've got. Bj another sister. And then we have leslie. And we'll get back to leslie. She comes back around here. Okay so chuck is named after. His paternal grandfather aaron charles carter and his maternal grandfather. Douglas charles spalding. So the charles is deep with them. Looked basketball by owning. Egg might have been honestly. I didn't look into that. Tam should have chuck attended franklin d miles elementary school and the ruskin school in florida so he's florida educated. He began performing the age of seven as the lead singer of dead end local band that was formed in a members of rock school that they attended in tampa so he went to those school iraq. Type of things. Those are cool found like these group kids wanna jam and they formed They have you ever seen jack black. Absolutely yeah all those kids like the kid that plays guitar in. That movie was classically trained. Oh i believe it. Yes all documentary. And i think the kid that plays piano on that was actually from kalamazoo. Really yeah not too far from here. That's pretty cool. Yeah well chucky did not think it was too cool to be in a band so after about two years because they were interested in alternative rock while he wanted to go into pop he moves on. He's like i'm no more quote here. This is a quote when i was six years old. I was in rock band. Horrible band has called dead end. And the name kinda described those people would go and perform at coffee houses and stuff like that people like us. The dead end dead. I'd never kind of self fulfilling prophecy in the writings on the wall. Do what's going to have those guys not looking well so okay. March one thousand. Nine seventy ditches dead end chucky made his first solo appearance. Singing the cover of the jets crush on you. When opening for the backstreet boys in berlin germany so his band opened for the battery. No just him. He went on a solo appearance. That you i'm always fascinated. With like these little factoid lake it blows my mind that hendrix for the monkees. Oh wow yeah. In the beastie boys open for madonna. You would think it would be like from what you know like when i was introduced to hendrix. No the monkeys for the monkey. I love the monkeys. I'm not gonna ask you. I would rather see the monkees first and then end with hendrix as oppose the other way around like. Oh the jams come in because mickie is going to sing dolan's anyway well the dude. Much like mickey dolan's chucky crushes it so hard that he gets a record contract. Wow so in the fall. Nineteen ninety-seven seven. He releases his first single crush on you. Do you remember that one. no. I don't mean either. I heard it but it sounded like bubblegum pop and i didn't remember it so it could have been that good so wait so he was his. He was in a band that opened for backstreet. Boys know again. He just did that solo by okay. Something when he left the band he's like i'm tired of the dead end has reached its end. Am out so i'm going to do. They want an alternative like you said and he wanted to pop so okay hey He got his crush on us out. In december first nineteen ninety-seven. He's got the studio albums. Same name It was an instant hit and european countries like spain norway denmark and germany. The album achieved gold status norway. Spain denmark canada in germany is. He's part of the whole lou pearlman like that umbrella of he like he was okay. He's under the dynasty of liu so june nineteen june sixteenth nineteen ninety eight. It's released in the united states People pretty much like it wasn't super big it so he tries another september twenty six two thousand releases. His second studio album called aaron's party come get it. I know that not you know that one is that the one you bought the yeah at the casino but it was with cd single. Well much like yourself. The album sold more than three million copies to people in the united states and it was certified triple platinum by the r. I a album included. Single hits like candy aaron's party come get it and that's how i beat czech awesome gets on something called bounce which i almost remember. Sounds a pound balance balancing. Yeah what was the first song on that you've named off. I want candy and that was a cover of the. The ad is the cover. Okay monkey because he's a little kids he's like. That's how i beat check. Yeah all songs received airplay on the disney and nickel disney and nickelodeon networks. He made several guest appearances on nickelodeon during that time as you talked. He was an opening. Act several concerts for britney spears and the backstreet boys and then within a few years. he's able to make place for himself as pop and hip hop singer amongst teenage and preteen audiences. He's like number one for a while so he did disney and nickelodeon right yes. That's pretty rare because they don't disney's notorious for like they own you. Don't they own nickelodeon. I don't know. I don't know i don't think so. Got me on that. I've i've read. And i've heard that if you like if you're on like the sweet life with zack and cody or but what's the weather there. Hannah montana there. You go down big like you. Don't dare go over to nickelodeon. It's so real. Yeah it'd be. It's the they owned you careers as you will end you sack brother cody. Those dudes are waiters. Now both of them. Yeah but one of them is yeah. A couple of years ago. I saw it was like us. Weekly like from brag tabloid magazine where they always have lake is his rumors and celebrity gossip. And then you have the best or they're just like us celebrities popping gas and it's just like you know it's just it was but they actually had one of the yeah. Zach or cody cody. Because yeah probably classic cody. But he was yeah. He was waiting tables ban. Sorry michelle but he made no apologies. He's like yeah. Like money ran out real quick. Well actually get into that man. There's some issues and some laws about when kids make money. What parents are supposed to do with it. So horses and i will tell you. Tell you about that march. Two thousand one. Chucky makes his acting debut guest stars in an episode of the disney channel series. Lizzie mcguire other lizzie. Mcguire movie too. That was a good one. That's what you were. Little animated versions of her inbetween. You got it. Yeah that was actually. My wife made me. She was a huge fan of that. And maybe watch like a thirty minute documentary on lizzie. Mcguire and i had no idea about how that was Really that was like a lot of covert feminism which is not a bad way i mean covert in the way like. Oh my god. They're trying know. The writers were writing this character. That was pretty rare for the the girls at the time and it was like it. Was you look at you. Look at it like wow. That's awesome lei. They really embrace that but it was kind of like. I said we if they find this out. You know they're gonna shit canas real quick. Yeah yeah and it was a really interesting documentary and it was like you know what. Yeah i think i mean. My daughter's watch a couple episodes after that actually ensure like real life. Mary tyler moore buffy the vampire slayer you know breaking the mold. Yeah yeah it's great anymore of that they really feel ball. Ceo balls that's coming desi arnez episodes. Yes you guys know heads up all right. That same month. We'll get back chucky. He stars in those things and disney. You're a and then he. And fellow teen star samantha. Mumba they perform a concert. I remember samantha mumba. She was the where she from. She was from england. I don't know i didn't. I thought she was american. Was she american. I could be wrong. But i thought she was. American yes she has some good good song she did. She performs a concert with him. Aaron oh god. I says name chucky at the mgm studios live disney channel. They called it. Aaron samantha mumba in concert. Chuck part of the concert was released to the dvd to a dvd. Later that same month they call it errands. Party live in concert so they cut he cut out. Smith mumba and it sold huge. How could it not. It's like bob marley. No woman cry live version of that better than the album version. I want you to want me. Cheap trick how. I beat shaq lives and the lives of how i handle that. Oh my gosh check. Yeah april two thousand one. He makes his broadway debut. Playing joe joe in the who sued goal by the musical by lynn. Anthony stephen flat flattery. Oh baal lord of the dance. Maybe well that was your passion ignition. August seventeen thousand. One at the age of thirteen chucky record his third studio album. Oh aaron it's featured his first duet recording with his brother. Nick the duet with the group at the time no secrets that does that ring. Any bells like it. All and i can dig deep into some skier. Reverence the relic with tia career. I didn't i've been to No secrets but relic hunter. Dude i do just a career fan as you were talking. We were talking about wayne's world before we started to. I i watched wayne's world wine in wayne's world two back-back we that's the only way to do it. Oh you gotta and then a mia brian. We're talking about Cassandra her character. And she's like this rock and roller. You know it's like really hard core like even before you really hear songs like her. I seen like they cut to her. And she's like kicking a guy like on remember then he beats. I won't beats at one dude up there she's aggressive. Yeah and then. She plays her music popstar. Adult contemporary at best dude. I what people think metal is or metal or rock or whatever you wanna call it is never what it is no it really is. It's always like a light version of what they think it is. It's it really is but she didn't even around anymore right no he was replaced. What i'm saying is that she's she's very vocal. One way or another things. that are not vocal. One way or another they're going to get get get you Play along toys. Created an aaron carter action figure in conjunction with the album. Release so errands so you bought the album. You got the and an action. Big sweet posible. Air went platinum that same year live in cotton concert at baton rouge louisiana was released on dvd. As oh aaron live in concert. So he's banging out to the live. Dvd's now point out real quick that this is the latest. I've ever done a podcast with you. That's true technically don't don't wreck the magic but yeah we're usually earlier in the day than this. I'm getting real ear. Seen pump up. Pump up the volume with this dance. No that's now. Pump up the volume with christian slater. He's got the pirate radio hard harry or whatever his name of course this kind of vibe. I'm getting right now. Yeah man underground radio right now yeah. It's what it is november. Twenty two thousand and one not radio but film Chuck he's featured in the soundtrack for the paramount and nickelodeon movie jimmy. Neutron bless you. Show you remember that. Oh the great show. While chucky does leave it up to me. Ac's alien nation. And go. jimmy jimmy. I don't remember any of those songs. No i don't you mean you actually was after my time. I tune you out real quick. Because i feel like immediately go back and there's some good episodes one kid. Hey like stocking overweight his best friend. He was hilarious. Every cartoon ever pugsley. Addams family oh my god dude. It's a it's a classic combination laurel and hardy great. Start rolling hardy you. What's weird did you see the new bill and ted. No don't no spoilers okay. We'll leave it at that moving on september third two thousand to chucky releases. The fourth studio album. Another earthquake is released during the rock rob released during the rat. Oh my god. I can't talk released during the iraq strapped inch retro here. You go the album featured patriotic theme america. Yo in the ballot do you remember. I don't remember that at all. He guest starred on three episodes of the nickelodeon tv. Show all that you remember that all that what was what was all that. Do you remember that slightly. They were counselors at dude ranch. Hey dude and doesn't nickelodeon. He sang the theme song to the. Pbs animated series liberty kids. The song was called to my own is no. Let's think about that. It's first a cartoon called the liberty kids so freedom in china that is through my through. Aaron confused me buddy. His catalog is all over the place. Well i think when you get into this kids songs man. You really have a large area to sing about. But it's not very controversial or anything provocative 'cause it's like a thing about judgment and make sure that you don't be harsh to people bully. That will smith did it. Parents just don't understand. Damn no you're right. I what about even my chemical romance teenagers. There's yeah no. I guess you're right. So i i feel like now chucky here took the easy way out. He's like i'm just gonna do the disney stuff and the nickelodeon stuff i like. I like earlier in car. You're more early stuff. That's true before he got into legs like lou pearlman and what neither liberty kids. That's a great name for a band. Liberty kids awesome neighbor a terrible terrible. Tv show name but a great. That's a great man named liberty kids especially now it is. Yeah like the shitty beatles a good name you think so yeah. I don't think so. Yeah you're right. I don't know don't cave so hard. Do you fight for your conviction. Well now she's awesome. I'm just trying to think it depends on the john right. I mean like if i was here metal or heavy metal. i'd be fireside. Oh yeah that's that's type first album when push comes to shove that's that's it like that you've thought about it though. Yeah hey we were talking about luke. Berlin earlier nat roman. No that's rondo peel. Who ron ron perlman. Hell boy beauty and the beast visit from russia's in pacific rim was in sons of anarchy. You could've just said. Ron perlman was mr mrs perlman's son. Oh ron rainy pearl little. This is his brother liu that his brother. We don't know that. Just start rumors that right. Now we're talking about lou pearlman right. He's a manager. He is now deceased and their sister is really was. Here's how this works dude. Everyone named perlman is always related. Eventually our family right. There's all grew up together all right. Well let's bring in lou. It's two thousand and two. I did not mean to do that during this time Chuck his parents filed a lawsuit against liu for being his former manager. The alleged failure to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties on the nineteen ninety eight album which was released through. Perlman's label and production company trans continental. Yeah he was snug with a buck. Oh dude you would pay. When even like backstreet boys in their per diem was like seventy five bucks a week. Oh my god yeah. It was a rough dude. We'll march thirteenth two thousand and three perlman's declared in contempt of court for ignoring a court order to produce documents relenting relating to the royalty payments. There's a quick quote about lou from shuki. I'll do it because he's a little kid here. We go certain things happen and almost destroyed our family. I tried to warn everyone. I tried to warn mothers. I tried to expose them for what he was years ago. I hope you go expose him because financial scandal aside that's the least of his injustices lewis passed away. In two thousand sixteen. Chucky wrote on twitter hashtag lou pearlman. My old manager died in prison. R.i.p lou not the best business guy really at all but he did discover me. Karma is real. That's pretty self absorbed as like okay like real veil like now. Because dan this morning spaghetti them or not if somebody's kid couldn't have been that bad because he figured out me. Well it's like. It's like winning an oscar getting up there like first and foremost i'd like to bank myself for which this would never happen without me. We wouldn't be here. Well people win an oscars. Chucky starts dating lindsay lohan. Little lee low. It was her name. Well whenever leo leo. Alright so he's starting leila dayton lillo now and hillary duff at the same time out dude. I like hillary duff shoes in that show. I watched on. Tv land younger. Yes correct. Wow that's telling for both of us. Well what's telling resist napoleon dynamite. That's what was her name. I can't remember leadoff. Yeah they had they did a cover the bengals song and now the bengals was it was the bengals or what was he. Was it not a lot of hits here buddy. These these lips don't lie was What was that song. You're driving me nuts out i do. Dollar is yeah me. I don't think my lips are sealed now. I think that's right. I need orla to sealed. It might be it. Yeah well here's the problem His lips weren't sealed because day in leo. And andy's dating duff right and so now they got beef with each other. We be in well. He tries and the beefy in april two thousand three breaks up with lindsay lohan and he resumes dating hillary exclusively and her sister. No i'm kidding. He just goes out with hillary. But hillary and haley yemen. And they beefing. We low then lizzie low in it a sister to feel free to check out our lindsay lohan episode. That's a couple episodes back and we'll get you all the information on her that we we do so later that same year he in-depth and their relationship after two years. They like. you know what i'm out of it. So there's this whole era of the these child stars is like high school like breaking up with this person. They're going out with their sisters there now. They have some type of rivalry because it's just such high school politics man but they didn't go to high school so this is how they were things out in public now. Speaking of it's working out things in public november third two thousand and three carter's most requested hits a collection of hits including tracks from his last three albums as well as the new single one better is released greatest hits albums. Yeah they did the the how. I beat shaq. You hear the remix on that. I actually ruben. I'll see that's how progressive. That's when he goes face tattoo alma. God no we'll get there. No spoilers he does have a face to you though. And there's a whole bunch of stuff about internet porn and we'll get their trust me. Hang on hard left. doesn't it certainly does. Let's get him to the top of the mountain though two thousand and three chuck his mom. Jeanne has removed more than one hundred thousand dollars from his bank account without his permission. Pillaged that so yeah see what happened is when she gets divorced from his dad bob. The following year. Jane's arrested she's charged with battery for beating up bob's new girlfriend in the future wife. Ginger elrod do his weight. According to florida monroe. County sheriff's office is. Jane used iraq to break into the window and enter their house for ex husbands house in the florida keys. Which you know well. She's a rat. She's not iraq. She's supposed to take a towel or your sleeve elbow. Hold on it gets better. She's in there. She makes the way to the bedroom. Where bobbin elrod or sleeve and there's a lady named elrod yeah back. My brother was living in key west when this happened. Yeah he yeah okay. So what happens. You're gonna fill in the blank settings so what reports say. Jane drags elrod out of bed by her hair. Hits her with remote control g. and then is quoted as saying that elrod was not going to press charges but restraining orders are in place go with a firsthand account. He says i can hang account. It was just so if you've been to key west key west it's awesome. It's great but yeah he was airing. Eric harley. Was the boat racing. No that's vanilla is no and we know is either aaron or nick. Carter's carter yeah had had a couple of boats down there and They would see them from time to time down there. Yeah key west is just no big deal right like it's they're pretty laid back on there and then then this came out and they're like would the fuck. This is why we us this youtube escape all of this speaking to key west. Because you brought it up and you know how. Much money's down there and chucky like those people has made an estimated two hundred million dollars before his eighteenth birthday but he never saw any of it. Two hundred million two hundred million dollars on his eighteenth birthday. He only made about two million dollars in adulthood because reportedly he owes that twice in taxes and new financial mishandling by his parents. We have it all this time. Dude mccolgan exactly. Gary coleman a while. Yeah that's it seems like they would have some type of. How do they get around that though right there. The thing called the coogan law. Oh and here's a quote from chucky about coogan law quote. That was planned by the way. Don't don't reveal magic. Show your a quote from shuki kugler quote under the coogan law. My parents were supposed to be putting fifteen percent of my money into the coogan account. I got like two million when i turned eighteen. I should have like twenty million in my account so yeah. His parents kinda screwed up not paying taxes not ignorant march twenty second. Two thousand and five saturday night is released in promotion with chucky during his two thousand and five summer tour and songs released by transcontinental label. Perlman was still there producer. You got the single. For the soundtrack. Popstar which chucky stars in and direct to video film. That was based heavily on his own life warmer. The movie pop star the movie. Pops adam sandberg. I believe that's correct. Don't stop stopping or something like that. Not the one. You're talking about those that the one. Yeah the tagline is like never start doorstop. Stop and don't keep stopping. What was he in that. I don't know it doesn't say it says it was heavily based on his own life as a performer. I can see that. Have you seen that movie. No video i slipped by me. Yeah wasn't really on the radar with aaron carter's seem to i have a copy of it. I'm not kidding you still in the cellophane away like a mint. Copy of pop. Stars starring aaron carter. And who did you say. It was. Adam adam sandberg sandberg or andy sandberg adam sandler. You know whatever that guy from us. This is why we don't do shows this late at night. Well okay if you like that. You're talking about. He was the boat. Raising was at the lonely island boys that they put out. I think you're right. Yeah honestly should have gone more into it. I didn't think you'd focus on this aspect. You caught me off guard so he must. I don't remember minute but the cards don't live ryan you'd mentioned vanilla is actually i. Did you talked about bull racing. And i said no. He's in a motor cross. And this card says chucky real-life motorcross razor appeared in two thousand five's supercross man. That movie i immediately thought of. I love that story of vanilla ice when he was yeah he had the jet skis and he was just fucked up and he's dragging his jetski. His pool during a party is being noxious. Like this whole these instructions. Like back when google first game out. How do you get from. Japan mainland china. They like get jet ski for four hours. Can you imagine being a jesse for four. Oh my god dude hold onto your bag going together. He's holding onto you. There was a pitcher on google earth. This would be my guy. He's like captured at the moment where he's falling down stairs lake outside a building and he's fully fallen and that's the pitcher from google earth from that location so don't do that or march twenty two thousand six transcontinental filed lawsuit against chucky with los angeles period court. They cited that he allegedly reneged on a recording deal signed a contract on december seventh. Two thousand four when he was seventeen. Underage can't do that. So attorney however stated that he had the right to cancel avoid various agreements that was signed when he was just a enter contracts into minors. Everybody unless it's columbia records will. You'll never get out of that. I still over to latin tapes. But every month i get new tape. It's awesome man. I just got the j. gyles band of you heard of them. No a centerfold really song yeah okay. Agencies center whole october november two thousand six chucky and his siblings star reality show called house of carters. I know that runs on e. television network the series features five carter siblings reuniting to live in the same house and you can only imagine how well that went. I think ryan seacrest. I'm not making a joke. He was the producer on that. Because he's already that's why got turned to punchbowl. Did you of carters. What's the next card. Say brand okay. Let's get back on task. Well it's something that you might know about to hear. September eighteen two thousand six. It's reported that chuckie is engaged to former beauty. Queen in playboy model carry-on panache tennessee tennessee. Penny pinch any. It's a long last name there. You go us weekly later. Reported that chucky broken off his engagement with her saying that he was impulsive in proposing to her leg. no good. that's gotta be embarrassing with that. You wanna get married. Do you like you know when i asked you to get married. I sometimes i say things. I don't mean we've been drinking. And i didn't really understand that you understood that i meant. That's not what. I said forever ever meant. So you hit a follow through your. It's not like see. Why vegas mayor like why that happens. You can find a place to get married real quick. Yeah there's drive-thrus yeah. He proposed to her. That was applebee's rate in september. Two thousand six thirty your time to think it over like you could have backed out like those used drunk og like like when we talk about like we're gonna get a place together so we always do this all the time and work. Now you sound like you know about this. Haussa is all the time we're bringing with her girlfriends and we're gonna raise chickens while that's the dream. Well speaking of dreams february twenty first two thousand and eight. The dream is destroyed because chuck. He's arrested in kimble county texas. He's pulled over for speeding. The authorities found less than two ounces of marijuana in his car and He's gotta do a little bit of jail time but he pays a fine and people don't know how to drive with drugs not on drugs with drugs. You don't speed you use your turn signals. Guess four-way stop going. Got this you go as was explained to me by your neighbor dude. Don't be don't swerve. don't get pulled over. Yeah you're fine. wise words. Well speaking of swerving two thousand nine chucky joins the season nine cast of dancing with the stars. He gets his on november tenth. He's eliminated from the show along with his partner. Karina smirnoff they finish fifth place. Thank you should've taken that you would think right with all the dancing and stuff. Corio that he would do. They built for you. He was he opened for a boy band. And you think boy van of course you think of that template that we talked about. But you know it's not just the music it's not about the music. It's a dance moves. I mean it's dancing is what boy. That's the second half of the formula man hell well. He's eliminated unfortunately but during this time on the show he releases some music he released a single called dance with me featuring flo rider in an attempt to sort of kick start that music career games like all right. My album did dancing with the stars. Please buy my album deal errands. Gotta e that's probably true August twenty second two thousand and ten. He's outperformed again making them money. He's at roca nkhoma. Noma new york lake row. No coma new york at the benefit concert. This is actually cool. So don't make fun of this girl named adriana bartolo. she's a three year stricken with stage. Four neuroblastoma cancer and chuck you out there and did a benefit concert for civil kind of a nice guy. So far he's only been pulled over for speeding and he's got weed so we're doing our eight january twenty third thousand eleven chuck manager johnny wright announces that he's entered a treatment facility to quote he'll some emotional and spiritual issues he was dealing with. Where does this stem from. Though we use a child star do that. That's kind of what i'm thinking too. That's also in the formula So after entering the facility chuck first message to his fans was quote the main thing in life. It's not to be afraid of being human february. Ten two thousand eleven announced that chucky has successfully completed a month rehab. At the betty ford center and rancho mirage california. So he's getting treatment on good for him exactly now he gets back on stage number. Seven two thousand. Eleven chucky begins starring in off broadway. Productions of the world's longest running musicals the fantastic's at the snapple theater. In new york city yes the snapple theater snapple earth was snapple lady. What was her deal. She was great. Yeah well chucky was great that snapple theater in his role cast as matt. The play's central character. So he's getting us off drugs getting himself back on front of the people were going stage presence doing good january two thousand twelve chucky eight celebrities participating in food network reality series rachel versus guy celebrity. Cook off wow. How do you think he did not so good. He was eliminated in the first episode. Mealy yeah this is my chilly with the vegan. Kidney beans and organic. Asparagus is thinking more. Like i'm gonna today making pocket and tater tots that's true. I don't know his culinary skills that you could have been the other end of the pool. I thought it'd been too far florida cuisine. I was trying to think of a florida cuisine option in my mind when completed. I wanted to the job probably alligator. I'm like well no. I've never had it though. I don't know florida cuisine would be if you know. Send us a message. I imagine regional if you go to again key west. Get like conquerors. That is that is true. Maybe if you go. I i got nothing. That's your homework. yeah exactly. What's florida gazillion. Everybody really has me stumped the chicken zoom chicken down there in florida. Oh yeah the gas chicken street i was going to say. That's a quality gestational. You won't regret it. No it's quite do it. Endorsed egg rolls are good too. They're not a sponsor. Tell him jason. January twelfth two thousand twelve. Chucky performance concert at showcase live in foxborough massachusetts. So he's up there at that clam chowder january nineteen thousand twelve. He performs a concert grammercy theater in new york city. Until you get yourself february second. Two thousand twelve is at new york city. Well while the minute late why were you can. I couldn't remember picante sauce can't or if it was it seltzer seltzer. What have you want to sell your zell. We're not doing it. My l. brings video february. Second here's the sad thing february second. There's no boys coming to the art for leslie carter Sister she overdosed and was under the influence of several drugs and she died three portless to three drugs. That were found in her while near her. They had alaska scene to treat the symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. She had and then silo benzopyrene It's a muscle relaxant and then allows allowed al al presume lamb lamb. There's abandoning link. That sounds like techno band like clockwork us. A treat anxiety and panic disorders also known as zanex. She popped zanex and some other prescription drugs and she had a bad reaction and she died. And that's why i asked earlier like what. Where's this stemming from child star. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. But i was as. I'm listening to this. I'm thinking there's got to be might a family. Yeah because that stuff is you. Yeah yeah so fortunate. It is well something. That's less unfortunate may eleven two thousand twelve chuck. He's out he performs an acoustic show at the mohegan sun casino and on case ville connecticut. So he's trying to recover trying to get back to the music thing man dip with the drugs at the betty ford and at the sorry michelle at the other rehab center. Yeah always trying to come back to the stage man. He's doing a lot of these shows. He's doing kucic shows. I like l. support. I like a good comeback. I i give a lot of people in this situation. A pass if it's not because they're just an asshole because they feel like they deserve it. You know what. I mean like a binds like oh god his love into buying. Yeah i know she's done some pretty off the wall stuff in the way that they kind of like the media spun that was it. She's just just britney spears like shaved head umbrella crazy but no. It wasn't crazy. She i think she was diagnosed bipolar. Okay like i can give you. These are things that you cannot control. Yeah they go kicking somebody out of the dressing room because there's one brown eminem in there and you're just a dick. But that's excusable all right van halen. Yeah speaking of guitar. Players may thirty two thousand twelve. Chucky hosts With on the ryan cabrera show in twenty two new jersey member ankara. I remember. it's hairs obnoxious. All the wave start. Let's all the way down number. Fifteen hundred reminded me of that dude in high school when you go to like a field party or whatever. It was always a guy that ad the acoustic guitar by. You always had on the ready to play you know there. I know who you're telling you if anyone anyone's listen to the show i have people are nemesis of high school. Yeah we started the high school band and then like the next summer him and his nerd friend decided to be the two acoustic guys like. We'll guitar seeing. They sold their soul to the devil to make that happen and it worked though they are very popular for a while even though he talked to fringe of the show like lonnie or somebody they'll be like birds. Yeah rank of rare. That's who that guy reminded me of noxious hair the acoustic do the party. Six hundred dollar denim jacket. That's a strategically fringed in. Yeah i hate it. That guy awesome well. Speaking of playing outside for people. Two thousand thirteen chucky kicks off his first tour in eight years the after party to her. So the tour runs from february to december. Two thousand thirteen includes one hundred and fifty shows in the us and canada and he does quite well at does he really. He does people like him. He played at the capitol theatre in flint like six years ago. What how did. I miss this. I don't know yeah he was. Wow well much like flint november twenty second. Two thousand thirteen th birthday. What november twenty second. Oh i knew that actually. I'm sorry we talked about this. The worst ever was no one. Like i don't want to die the scared the most of like i don't wanna do. You don't want it to end but it's funny because like behaviors. And the things that i indulge expediate this process trying to productive but to me like do you want to know anyway. Yeah that would suck. But i would suck more is if november eighteen. You don't know the year like you know the day that you're going to die not the year every year your frigging. Yeah and then by staying home and avoiding it is. That's when the get you. Yeah it's on. The plane engine falls in your house. And kill you destination. Donnie darko boom alright. Much like the people. Who made donnie darko november twenty. Second two thousand thirteen chucky files for bankruptcy He's got one or three point five million dollars in debt mostly taxes on the money that he made when he was super popular and his parents pay cash. Meanwhile living in the hog dude so quote from chuck. He's publicist this guy steve. Hoenig be my lawyer voice. This is not a negative thing. It is actually very positive. It's him doing what he needs to do to move forward. He owes the internal revenue service. One point three million in back taxes from his income in two thousand three when he was just sixteen years old. I was trying to find an youtube. A like a typewriter sound the background. I'd sit. I'm trying to lawyer from the simpsons but it's hardly super nasal i know the lord lionel lionel. Well let's let's not doing lionel huts. I'm doing mr burns lawyer that. Yeah yeah yeah. That's exactly the one well. After a year. Two thousand fourteen. Chucky settles all of his tax debt. So he is free and clear from the government. he's making. I'm happy for him more right. He's he's going back away. He said some pornography charges. No no no no no no no. I didn't mention a thing about it's coming. There's no porno it's hearsay go. No here here's something exciting. June for june two thousand fourteen. He goes on an eleven city canadian tour during which he performed new songs from his upcoming album announces that he'll be embarking on a worldwide tour. After that called the wonderful world tour he does not do well naming tours the wonderful world tour the. I thought the after party was an odd name for a party if your destroy variety and you know what i mean like you don't wanna bring that. Temptation is what it means after party. My house while the wonderful world tour is named after the song titled the wonderful world of upcoming album. He sold tour dates. Maybe that was a callback to the wonderful world of disney. Wow here's layers in july. He appears on good day. La where he performed louis a single featuring solo. You familiar with pat solo. That's the song. But ooh i imagine it goes. Ooh week with rest of i pass solo part. I don't do that part. i just do. The current february two thousand fifteen. He releases an ep through soundcloud titled the music never stopped case. You wondered january thirty first song much better than it really does. Does the creativity former this guy's performer. He's now wordsmith right. That's how i beat checked january thirty first two thousand sixteen. He releases his music video curious under the name kid carter. That was one of our hands. In the opening was the member. Curious either do we're obscure arena late night. Aaron carter now and now you're like i don't know you are going in some deep tracks with aaron carter not on disney disney fan aaron. Would you sort of in there. So all right. How about the single fool's gold. He released april two thousand sixteen. No i don't january two thousand seventeen sooner or later no. I don't know that one already. Both songs appeared on the ep. Love released february two thousand seventeen. Don't with that. i'm not the biggest. I don't not. You had a lot of getting their game coil. The runner raveled much like myself early. Beatles fan i hate louie. Beatles started pepper and all that asia got some bull. why it's too is withered. Shit is that you don't like the beatles or you don't because those people we talked about that so there's no is because of them that they were like rocky raccoon. Wait album like i really don't. It's not my style. I'm not a second music. Apparently not. I'm not a psychedelic guy. Here's another controversial thing. I don't think the doors you go there. Basically here's my favorite guy more. It was more of a crooner than a singer. Check out our. Jim morrison episode. But right. now we're gonna head into break. Here's a song a high school band That was a short break. And i saw you typed a message pretty much what i did break to do anything else that i was. Actually googling kershaw discography they go. Be careful when you download things. You don't want full discography. No you want to greatest hits. Oh is that what it is wall. You'll get a lot of performances is blown up your nose that okay. Good well speaking of blowing up july fifteen. Two thousand seventeen chuck. He's arrested in georgia. He didn't blow anything up but he was a suspicion of driving under the influence and he's got some marijuana charges. Arresting officers witnessed chucky driving all over the road running into the media while operating a chevy suburban with no tags. Again things you can prevent. Well there's a reason though. See since september eleventh attacks. He opted to not fly anymore. He's like i don't really like flying. I'm just going to rent a car and that's fine but you can now be high when you do it. Well let's get there. He rents a car and he doing that for a while. But then he's like. I'm wasting money on his rental stuff. So what he does is instead. He purchases in inexpensive car for him and his girlfriend travel after the club appearance on friday north carolina. They're they're going to head out to not draw attention to is saving money. It's easier to buy a cheap car than i guess. Rent a car. Is it really. I don't know cheap ass car about north carolina. Reggie by dollar car. Well he's got a quote about he says. I made a decision by very cheap car so that it was a waste of money on rental cars. It was a lemon so the alternator was shot and then kept dying will sell you car. It'll last you. You do have a car as we fixed it this morning and my drive. Yeah but sure. Luckily look for us. Please approaches. But they approach chucky at the autozone parking lot where he stopped for repairs. He was pulled out of the store. He said he told officers yet. Marijuana in the car he denied under the influence of alcohol. He said he can't drink because of a medical condition and he said quote. I'll occasionally have a sip of beer or something like that. But i can't even drink i as i can't drink anything like that. Which tells me he knows what they taste like he probably does. It tastes like cough. Drop floating in a maple syrup mccarter about him what's up. He's just like us. Drive initiated car breaks down to autozone in the parking lot to get what he needs. Well much like yourself. He denies ever doing meth crack and cocaine or heroin. I says he's tried ecstasy a couple of times when he was a teen. You said that was a mistake. He also does take some medication for anxiety and high blood pressure. So there's some pain medicine for a guy injury and for smoking marijuana. You think seeing what happened to assist her. You mix drugs even the the combination of these things. Oh yeah yeah well as far as marijuana that night. He said he hadn't had marijuana nine hours before. The police arrested him so it was out of his system. He said quote. I smoked for anxiety i smoked. Eat wiping away. Tears chucky said that he hadn't slept in days and he wasn't able to stop crying. The authorities are like you've got a misdemeanor charge including a dui you got possession of less than an ounce of marijuana and possession of drug related objects now. Here's the problem with. That was second run in with the police in just a matter of hours because right after that he goes to the walmart and compare just like us. You're waiting for. You went to the walmart in commerce georgia after blowing out a tyre on that chevy suburban. He's riding on the rims. He leaves his chevy there for an hour. Where other fixing the tire right and so he comes back. Like here's the thing right. He drops the car off and he goes over the next door. And there's a ice cream store and so he gets himself an ice cream cone. And what's the most popular flavor is vanilla right and so aaron carter's going into town on his goes back to the auto mechanic. Nagy cars ready all right. Cool and aaron's got like just vanilla ice cream oliver's face he goes talk the mechanics and can't go. He's looking at his paper and he goes miss. Carter looks like he blew a seal errands like it's just been ice cream. Hey no that's not what happened yet a bad tire and so he comes back. He picks up his car. It's got a new tire on it. His credit cards are declined. Brian will be appearing at the funny bone. Fifth third tickets are available online crime. You've got a half extra. So they're like dude. You can't pay for this. I you telling me you can't pay for this. The employee's managed they call the manager up. They're figuring out solve problem somewhere in there. Somebody calls the cops on them like this guy's trying to stick the walmart so call the cops out of right. They thought he had a spare key. He was to jump in his car. Drive away so the police show up. Luckily as as it would turn out. Fan pays one hundred and ten dollar bill at walmart. And all you had to do. Chucky gave her an autograph and a photo took a picture with his lv. Wow like look. I bought aaron carter at walmart. Today i was hundred ten bucks to have that story i would just i would i would. That's two hours later cream all over his face. I got a selfie with two hours later. Arrested arrested for that swerve. Like we talked about before and so he has cancelled his concert in his appearance is called the parents north carolina and he puts out a tweet at says. Tweet do transportation issues. Aaron will not make appearance tonight. Promises his comeback soon and he apologized to the fans and mix ninety three point three. And you're all lucky that he's in your life. I don't think so. This is a club appearance. I don't know back the fame height of popularity at this point. Were you a fan in two thousand and sixteen were much more earlier on. No i wasn't right on. I was aware of them. I was aware. Because i saw it to me. Just one of those things like oh you know who he was. That house of carters. Yeah yeah and then the then he was just kind of like. I didn't really hear about them for a while there. And then i saw him when he was in the hospital and he looked rough. Like crypt keeper. Did it was. It was off on this guy. Let's go with that. Because july two thousand seventeen chucky discusses his health problems. He's got a high adl hernia. That's when some of your abdominal organ slip through your diaphragm in the middle of your chest compartment. Eat and then. He's lactose intolerant. Which is if you drink dariel. Far lot combination. Yeah there really is two thousand seventeen police or call his house. Another rough combination in saint petersburg florida in response to an anonymous suicide threat. He did he said he was gonna. Well it's anonymous. We don't know documents show. That saint petersburg police arrived at the house at ten zero one pm. After friend reported that chucky threatened to commit suicide so authorities arrive on scene. but it didn't find schalke. the hell authorities are called to his home three times in a twenty four hour period earlier that week. So he's having some issues yeah. He's struggling now. September two thousand seventeen. He is struggling but he's leaking help on the doctor is a syndicated. Health focused talk show to discuss public attention generated by his gaunt appearance. As you said and drug related arrest issues. Yeah he would the best way to describe it through a series of tests and examinations. It's revealed that he's not suffering from cancer and he sexually transmitted disease but he did have candia an infection which can be a sign of a weakened immune system basically thrush like tongue. Oh gosh and he tested negative for illegal drugs but tested positive for a mixture of benzodiazepines with opiates on benny's and potentially dangerous combination of prescription medication that he says he took for anxiety and sleep. So yeah you can't just be mixing shit together man. They can't be self prescribing. Know what that stuff does. He's malnourished one hundred and fifteen pounds man. yeah he was. He was never that big of a guy to begin with well. No but he had a body mass index of seventeen where most people around like twenty twenty-five new he's advised entered drug rehab program and remain under medical care. So dude like you said. He was looking rough. Yeah so admits himself to the ehlo house. It's a treatment center in malibu california and he gets treatment man so good for him moving on. Yeah what do you say about. Good problems You saw help. Their who advised them to get was at the court. Well yeah the court had totally advised him to rehab wink. Get your ass into rehab reiterate. Well speaking out of wink wink august. Two thousand seventeen. Chucky comes out as bisexual through his twitter. I didn't know that later that year december eighteenth he made a guest appearance on the podcast. Lgbtq and a to discuss both his career in sexuality now he reaffirmed his bi sexuality publicly at least one other occasion but he also said that he's only ever had relationships with women he's dated several high profile females as we've discovered before hillary duff lindsay lohan carryanne ponente nation news so february sixteen two thousand eighteen. He releases its fifth studio album. He gets back in there and making music february two thousand eighteen as reported improvements in his condition. He's got therapy for coping with the death of his father later that year l. Make up with his longtime growth friend. So he's dealing with triggers his weights a little better. He's up to about one hundred and sixty pounds or seventy five point five kilos for our european listeners. Two thousand nineteen. We're getting current chucky and his mom jane appear in the we tv reality series marriage bootcamp family edition. I am not aware that show. No what do they do. Basically family therapy in a reality tv format and a boot camp style. So it's like what thirty days or something like that. So as intense like interpersonal therapy on reality television so with your mom so what was the on. Vh one win with dr drew. Oh yeah and there was lab rehab celebrity rehab. We've had people on here before from celebrity rehab. Okay what's his name. The guy with the big clock flavor flav. We've talked about him and celebrity. Measure the bam from jack ass. Yes yeah he was him and his mom. Biller on and he's had problems really. There's relationships you don vito. The yeah he of course. Did you see the man. yeah nineties. The reaper was in the neighborhood looking for the door was lucky to make it as long as he did. It was seventy years old. That was thirty years ago. Yeah i mean that's one hundred. What do you want him to do well. No it wasn't that he was okay. Unhealthy lifestyle hell. Yeah i got it of all right. Speaking of what bama jurors family shoulda done august twelfth two thousand nineteen chuck granted a restraining order against his ex girlfriend. She's a russian model. Lena valentina and she reportedly threatened to stab him. And so he kinda was like. I should get some professional distancing. Yeah well he's not really good at relationships anyway. He has a tumultuous relationship with his siblings over the years. Many of their feuds of played out on social media for the public to read september nineteenth chucky manages some allegations of sexual abuse against his deceased sister. Leslie she the one who died of the drug over. Why the point. He's saying abuse last lasted three years beginning when he was ten ending when he was thirteen at occurred when lindsay. Leslie would fail to take prescription medication to treat her bipolar disorder. Okay so he's also accused brother nick of lifelong abuse though he did not go into details. Implied that nicotine abuse female family member. Jesus do he's just going to allow. Yeah he's just gloves are off. Did knicks legal team of course denies all allegations which came after nakedness. Sister angel they sought restraining order against him September eighteenth tweets that he surrendered two of his rifles to the authorities because the confession came a day. After nick. carter filed a restraining order against his younger brother. There chucky over alleged remarks. Chucky made about wanting to kill nick pregnant wife. Lauren kid unborn child but he made episode right to help his brother. Well here we go. So chucky originally tweets so today i decided voluntarily allowed the sheriff's department to hold onto my rifles. I'm doing a show of good faith in cooperation with law enforcement at doj. Hashtag gun safety hashtag gun control. And then nick tweets up to careful consideration. Must sister engine. Angel and i regret that we were required to seek restraining orders against our brother. Aaron today in light of errands increasingly alarming behavior. His recent confession that harbors thoughts and intentions of killing my pregnant wife and unborn child. We were left no choice but to take every measure possible to protect ourselves and our family. We love our brother and truly hope it gets proper treatment. He needs before any harm comes to himself or anyone else. Hashtag mental health. Hashtag gun control now. Hashtag gun control wait. We're not done man. Chunkys tweet my brother. Just got a restraining order against me. And that's just served. Ll take care. nick carter. We're done for life. I haven't seen him in four years and night own intent. Leave me alone for the rest of my life. I'm begging you please. I haven't seen you guys and nikki bullied me my whole life and torched me as a child and everyone knows it. It's been public. And now you're scared of the truth. Characters runs twit. This tweeter works for the two of them. Did the to goes speaking of characters january. Twenty twenty we're in. We're in the current air german artist. Johan yada yucky pointed out to chucky on twitter that chucky cheese make an unauthorized use of judea duckie's copyrighted artwork promote a clothing line. So check your responded to tweeting. You should've taken it as a compliment. Dick fan of mine sent this to me. All their goes again. The answer is no. This image has been made public. And i'm using it to promote my clothing line. Aaron carter dot com guess. I'll see you in small claims court fahkry. Did he win following the incident. Yoda key was interviewed saying he was absolutely amazed at chunkys response. No i still think it's being played out in the courts january. We're not there it now if you do want to see court chuck. He's doing right now and march twenty twenty. He opened a fans only account which is a popular adult. Entertainment industry will app website. I guess where you can start your own. Pay people to the page and people can look at you and do stuff. He announced public news of his performances via a shirtless instagram post. Post read quote. If my first time check me out live tonight at cam soda nine pm hashtag cam soda hashtag cam model. So now. he's doing internet modeling. he's on fans old scrambling needs the money. Chucky was set for a live camera. Sex show the act included eating bananas. Td's teasingly and masturbating for a live audience for the first time. But please no dairy ladies and gentleman not not chucky. No he begins charging fifty to one hundred dollars per nude photo or twenty six dollars a month for membership at why it is not worth it. Pink burned brian. Pink news stated that quote the prices are steep and the content is bizarre while t said quote reviews of aaron carter's fans only page are in and they are not good. Seems like somebody would elite those even. Oh i didn't try to dive deep into air. Carter leads only while also being scared. He's in a relationship. Wait a minute. He was lactose intolerant. And he's eating an ice cream cone. No the banana outside the walmart. No that's just my joke about mechanics and seals the guy. He was in an ice cream cone. No he just had a blown out tire but if you ever have someone says they took the car the mechanic you say vanilla ice cream cone bluesy seal well. I don't know who to believe bryant right. it's not the worst thing it's fake news is what's real in my head. That was the story that i would probably tell somebody who's probably will no the only part of this. I remember about an ice cream cone. And we're gonna get rate. that's hilarious. Well okay let's try. Let's talk news. Chuck he's in a relationship with his now. Fiance melanie martin. She's she's like an online personality. I believe yeah but she gets arrested though Over domestic violence views involving chucky in a series of social media posts He posted his girlfriend. Melanie choked him. Punched him after he broke off their relationship and ask her to move out. There you go. there's somewhat of a cause and effect their way. I need you to. I'm breaking up with you and you need to get out. yeah just change the lack. Let's see here martin. Thirty two is being held in lieu of fifty thousand dollars. Bail following her arrest quote. Chucky said quote. I tried to defuse the situation. She choked trachea. He also displayed visible scratch on his arm. Oh so law enforcement determined that martin was the aggressor 'cause when they show up to those things we've noticed somebody's going to jail and so she's gone. He takes instagram with a photo of himself in the mirror with a cash. The red quote bachelor's life has no life for a single man. Hashtag single margaret thatcher's. Life is a single life. I don't think understood what you meant. I don't think he's just letting people know there's girlfriend got arrested. And he single now. Okay so hey ladies they hold their off. So i'm back in the market. He's a bachelor well until monday which she was released from jail after posting bond. So that is the most current things. I can tell you aaron carter. We're going to end the show with a quote from chuck himself says quote. That's how i beat. Check having a dream living that dream losing that dream dreaming again and then adding that dream dream dream. I could do it. It's like what's the artists of the stairs. They go up and never end. Yeah yeah no. That's a photographer. Notice herbert and see. Yeah here we go from chucky. Aaron carter a iran himself quote having a dream. I can't do it again. Having a dream living that dream losing that dream dreaming again and then having a dream come. True is one of the greatest feelings ever. Because i'm stronger. Aaron carter within the russian dolls like over them. There's a dream ended with aaron. Carter ladies and gentlemen oh. That was a lot. Do you think about aaron carter. You know i was hobbies. I rose colored glasses when it started out. I'm not gonna lie then. You had some early information. That's for sure he didn't touch on face tat first of all. Well he doesn't s you. Hey man whatever you want to look that's up to you know it's You mentioned the face that he did take some heat when he announced he was single on instagram. Everybody's like great your that face tag. Jimmy com high-profile instagram and stuff like that. Light them up. Yeah he i. It sounds like he's struggling with some stuff. And i wish them the best. I really do aaron. If you're out there get better man. Yeah he didn't really mess up too much. They're a hit. And there was a big story of redemption because he has to addictions and made some poor choices and driving in but overall sites. Oh well hey if he wants to do porn man. that's on him. I don't fault his ability to make a living. Do i get it but it just like. I'm surprised that that wasn't more like it was was it was one where the heck everybody's phones with lap gate or. What was it a whatever it was. They somebody hacked into every iphones releasing papers like i know if i had that level of if i was aware of people are aware of me would just be worried that somebody's gonna pay the thirty bucks. Whoever was screenshot it sent out. I don't know like it. Just i think all he's little endeavors. Were sad in by saying i mean. Obviously the guy struggling with some stuff and he's got some things to work out. I don't know. I think you've gone but always comes back to that. I think i think if it comes to the point where you've got a fans only site. I think everyone knows what you're in. Twenty eighty bucks on that twenty six bucks a month dude. I'm telling you know it's a waste of money ridiculous anyway. Speed instagram because he releases things on instagram. We royalties though from royalties from all his disney. Show we talked about this. His parents didn't put anything in that memory. Hundred million dollars you something. You just wanna see the win for aaron carter. I want him to win. Now i'm rooting for anchorage man. I am really come on just one league appearance. It's super bowl. Something dude. I'm gonna place a feedback. Revenge just keeps going feedback from bonnie on instagram. She put quote. I've been talking to all morning listening to the randy travis episode. Not that you heard a word of it. We did bonnie. I love bunko. Brown and to get up is my ringtone. 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Episode 563: The Demon in You, The Demon in Me

Overthinking It Podcast

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Episode 563: The Demon in You, The Demon in Me

"For April fifteenth two thousand nineteen it's the overthinking had podcast episode five hundred sixty three the demon in new the demon in me. Welcome to over thinking it where we subject the popular culture to a level of scrutiny at probably doesn't deserve the over thinkers are like your smart funny friends from the internet. We're never happier than when we're hanging out together. And talking about the things we love very often the movies we love and this week. We are talking about the number one movie in America. Are you excited guys? The number will actually honestly by sales. The number one movie in America is probably still Aventures and game, which I'm sure is outselling still pre-sales, whatever. Whatever drek they're pumping out in the box office. Now. No guys, were you aware that someone remade the hell boy with the sheriff from stranger things in it. Because I sure as heck wasn't. I mean, it sort of my job to stay up to speed on these things. I mean, I think we do it was happening. I think there was the question was whether we were. Going to do anything about this. And and I will say right now before anybody gets too distracted. If you did not if you have never seen a hell boy movie keep listening because is not going to be required. Reading or to understand the rest of the podcast. It's not complicated. Yeah. Well, yeah. Fair enough fair enough fair enough. Did you know that help? Boy was coming back, Mark. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen the trailer. I celebrate David purpose entire catalogue mainly stranger things stranger things seasons. One two. I was like a like a tiny bit. And I really enjoyed the original hell boy is well, I think it's great character and had tiny bit of excitement for it. And it's all the hey, it bombed. So it was like their original one is on Netflix and free to watch in the pleasure and comfort of your own home. So, hey, why don't we talk about that? Instead. It was it wasn't deep pleasurable and comfortable because I watched it on a couch much more comfortable than any movie theater and much less expensive as well. So yeah, that's what we did. We didn't watch the the this remake of hell boy, we went back and watch the two thousand three thousand four teen years ago. Wow. With an aunt an early film. I guess I should say an early American film of Gehrmann del Toro early early in his career, making spoo- keys, and Emma, and there is a fish related tie-in. To you know. In give them a del Toro's, recent work, and and in hell boy. So we watched the we watched it on Netflix and YouTube can watch the two thousand four hell boy on net. And you know, what you should we recommend it as a as a fun way to pass fun way to pass an evening on the couch at home. So so let's let's just let's just go around the horn. I dunno pizza. Did you enjoy revisiting hell boy? I mean was it was it fun and a good experience from you. Or was it like was it like being being attacked by godlike creatures from another dimension? Really like the two thousand and four hell boy. And I kind of feel like there are certain things that the two thousand four help away does that are still worth talking about. And that are notable among movies of this sort of John Gina. It's important to note that the overall plot of the movie and kind of what happens from an action and adventure standpoint is not that thing that it does. It's more like you're sort of panning for gold in this movie and you'll find some really nice nuggets from cast. That's just really really talented and a director. Of course, it's one of those movies that if you bought low era portfolios looking great in terms of saying like, this is a movie that in the future. I want to look back and have liked so no, I I li- enjoyed watching it, and it gave me a lot of thoughts and a lot of feelings. Definitely provoked a lot of feelings for me. So I don't know Mark. What did you think? Did you enjoy watching the two thousand and four hell boy? Yeah. I appreciate it. The camp and silliness of it more than anything else right in particular, the villain sue the slick motley crew of rescued sin and a couple of Nazis began. Why not right? And what are the what are the Nazis is dislike Saito masochistic gasmask wearing knife blade, dude? Who was like kind of reminds me of v for vendetta? But like is evil that you describing without using the word steam punk or cyborg. Oh, yeah. Also of that. It's like it's delightful. It's titillating. It's all these good things that you want from entertainment that doesn't take itself too seriously. Okay. Let's let's delve into the nuggets. Because PM I'm completely with you that like I'm completely with you that plot wise the. The movie is nothing particularly ground breaking the characters are great. They're well acted. And there are you know, it's it is also really really good to look at. It's like it's the unique visual style of guarantee Toro, and even though it does like the last. I don't know forty minutes is a lot of CGI punching which which I'm really fatigued by I guess, it really was early in the canon of CGI punching. And so probably, you know, has to be looked at in the context of its time rather than, you know, judged by the standards of the the marvel cinematic universe or something like that. So where where is where is a nugget p like, let's just pick one get and hold it up to the light watch it gleam and examine it as though it were a reliquary from for, you know, saints. The body parts. You know, that's still contains mystical powers many many millennia later. So I'll say this. There are a lot of movies that claim to star an anti hero. And there are a lot of tents in comic book related movies and coming books in general and TV shows and various sorts of entertainment media to create the idea of like an anti hero. And I feel like the hell hell boy in the movie Ron Perlman as L boy in the first held way movie is a really feels like a really grounded meaningful. But at the same time kind of adequately fantastical and kind of unreal articulation of what an anti hero could be and might be and maybe even should be. I think that hell boy, he might he might be my favorite movie anti-hero Ron Perlman has held Boeing. That's a bit of a stretch. Because you know, there's a lot of really good ones, and you can kind of lend. Arguments. Like, well as John MacLean, Nancy hero is the Terminator in Terminator two anti hero. But I think that that there's something special about the emotional landscape of Ron Perlman's hell boy, and I guess they'll Toro's hub boy. Oh boy as well. And of course, the help way of everybody eroded in the sort of collaborative help way that emerges from this project. Right. That to me really speaks to what anti heroes are doing. And why that kind of both makes sense and also kind of nourishes the soul a little bit. So that would be my anti heroes. Their Pete to like explain why life is hard for white men. Right. Like, Tom soprano or welterweight or or house? You know house. Don't like his his life is hard. I'd say that there's a couple of different approaches to what an anti hero could be. It's not a particularly it's it's a word that doesn't have a particularly concise or even uniform definition, but the help the anti hero. That's being presented here is. Somebody who has moral problems that that can't act in a fully moral way because of some aspect of their personality or their makeup that kind of induces them to not want to write. And so they not only not only can they are the incapable of acting in the sort of morally coherent, kind of what you might verbs like lawful good, or which sort of white hat cowboy kind of way. But they actively choose not to act in that way. But in the panoply of choices that they make they still end up making choices that are heroic choices in the kind of new early modern sense of heroic not the kind of ancient sense of heroic in the sense that like they save the day. Right. That that that that one idea of like, the Tony soprano idea, the anti euro is that it's a protagonist. That's almost like a sort of really retro kind of dramatic like like old school drama version of an anti hero where there are protagonist. Who's? Evil. And and yeah, you might root for them, and they might try to accomplish good things in their life. But they ultimately fail at being good. And that's the sort of Tony soprano Walter while it is true. It's I'm I wasn't a fair question to ask provocative those. That's why. That's why do Pete it's provocative like Tony soprano or Walter white or house to forget about a house. The you know that that like, yeah, it's making a sociopath. Your main character is not the same as as having an anti hero. And it's interesting that your your definition kind of centers around motivation and not disposition, right? Interesting. Yeah. Because like you could say that that like. John McLean is a police officer, you know, and he doesn't he doesn't go looking for trouble. But when trouble finds him he acts in a way that is you know, that comports with his job to protect and serve or to. You know, what I mean to like enforce law? Right. And like he has a sort of a flamboyant style, he has, you know, maybe a disposition that's not. That's not sort of white Knight. That's not lawful. Good. You know, that's not like Paladin esque, but the his bone Ovation's our heroine motivations in that. Like, he wants to do the right thing either because it is the right thing or because he is the guy who does the right thing or because it's his job, or, you know, for for whatever kinds of whatever kinds of ethics are virtually thing. John McCain subscribes to but he's trying to do the right thing. Help way not necessarily trying to do to do the right thing. Or doesn't have a set of motivations that comports. With what the society is motivations are who uses him, which is kind of an interesting break down a little bit, right because hell boy is a demon. Right. But in what ways is he really d- monarch. So help spun. So helpfully is a demon because he has a if he were not to intervene in a conscious way in his own choices. If if it let's say this hell boy every in boy, there is a notion of Taylor of purpose in people's lives. Wherein people like events and things might sort of carry forward to a natural conclusion that the way that you were born or what you sort of become through this sort of moral luck of your life might eventually carry you through to some sort of natural conclusion, Nazis or Nazis Americans are Americans. There are these sort of grand conflicts. And and what help away invites into this is a notion that your own desires, right? What you what you want and not just in a sort of a grand moral way. But even down to sort of a hedonistic sense that the sort of. Surface level desires for what you want have an interaction with your kind of inborn t- loss that can potentially bring you to a position where you act in a way that is in contradiction to the way that you were destined or board to act like they're like if you give people the things that they like that they'll respond to the things that they like they'll seek out the things that they want mirror. Mirror. Ruth, candy bars. Yes. This is a movie in which a candy bar makes somebody a good guy. Right. Which is I think fascinating. This is idea that like, oh, well, how do you? How do you make the demon into a good person, you positively reinforce the kind of behavior that you want to see by connecting it to. And then over time what you're going to end up with somebody who is terribly morally conflicted because they don't understand why they've can conditioned to act the way they are and attempts to resolve some sort of identity that reconciles what they're feeling which is a combination of like, indoctrination unmet, physical and emotional need. Right. And it's sort of like conflict with whatever it is that their own physiology is telling them that they need to do which in this movie is also manifest in like a very dysfunctional relationship with sex and sexuality, which should be very easily identifiable to adolescent boys is like those the Pete his porn 's are not really horns there about a four for something else. I think you know, you say that Mark. And it's funny because it's so obviously true. You having said it that it's amazing that I wasn't thinking about it during the. Sort of his voluntary castration at the end of the his voluntary symbolic castration. At the end of the film is. You know, a crucial moment for him. I think so because I think help boys a movie that's about. I mean, we've we've been talking about what makes hell boy in anti hero. What makes hell boy kind of in this sort of weird relationship with with bad Merle choice, right or choosing to do things on grounds other than moral grounds. But talking about the moving more, generally, this particular movie is a movie where all the characters have some form of kind of emotional this regulation where there's something that they can't do with regards to either attachments or kind of self actualization or or or like love or happiness, right? There's something that they can't experience or let go of that they're constantly struggling with. And and it sort of not about fixing those things, but about kind of like how people the way help boy puts it is find a way to live with it. Right. Which is that hell boy is is the product the way that held boy in two thousand and four would not work today is that hell boys moral landscape is the product of a fundamentally. Unjust, cosmology. That is not interested in the moral. Good and his alternate solution is to find a way to live with this conflict. His ideas, not like, oh, I need to go kill cathedral who so that the world can be result can be resolved to the good, right? I'm not going to find a permanent solution to my problem. I'm going to find a way to live with it. And this involves kind of like finding somebody to love who loves me, even it's for screwed up reasons. Right. And sort of like, an even if you have to castrate yourself in order to prevent yourself from being disruptive because you know, that you've been preconditioned to have what kind of dysfunctional or toxic sexuality. Right. And so like hell boy knows that were he to really follow his desires to their fullest. It would hurt everybody that he cares about and tortures him. So he cast he like he beats himself up, and he kind of deprives himself right in order to I'm going on this really as a Catholic movie, by the way. Yeah. It is very Catholic. Sure. It's very interesting. But like, you're drawing a triangle Pete that I think is is interesting. Right. And it's it's roughly sort of nature nurture and your own thoughts, and like self image or self or ego. Right. I guess I guess it's like it is nature. Superego is nurture and ego is your own kind of your own thoughts about yourself your own kind of. Moment by moment. Sort of shifting outline of what what you think what you think you are. And so like nature sort of acts on you and what you've called for conditioning acts on here. Right. You've I the I act without understanding why I act, but I do these things because I've been conditioned to do them. And you don't understand that you've been you've been conditioned to do it. Or or like, you know, the the labrador retriever doesn't understand that here. She has been bred to love swimming. Right. But but my goodness that dog is happy jumping in the pool in the movie, this is manifest when like the guy brings held boy giant pan of pancakes. And hell boy is like why are you doing this? Right. Like, he knows he's gonna eat pancakes. He knows what the routine is. But he's like why what what is? He doesn't understand. Right. He doesn't under. Sorry, continue continue. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's. Why it's to paraphrase from the avengers. Like, I'm gonna ask you a question where are the pancakes? I'm gonna ask you a question. What are the pancakes? I'm ask you a question. Why are the pancake? Oh, that's like that's the that goes into that goes into this sort of material world of of nature kind of biological substrate or sort of a character based or cosmological substrate the. The nurture the who are pancakes. The who question like the behavior that kind of forms personality, and then the individual sense of like, wait, what is going on here? Why are why are the pancakes? Why do I desire pancakes, some tasty pancakes today guys? And and wire the pancakes is is a question that I think we could all spend a little time thinking definitely and those pancakes, look delicious, like so again, if you haven't seen the hell boy movie, the movie has it's sort of Luke Skywalker figure it's sort of like audience surrogate who has a young FBI agent who is assigned to care for this demon who has been sort of recruited to the side of quote, unquote good, but who still has a rather problematic way of doing things and who at some point is probably destined to destroy the world, but has not decided to do it yet. And in the meantime, we'll work for the federal government and wear a duster with a soul. Patch it mutton shops because he has decided that instead of being evil. Going to be awesome. And a lot of sumo wrestlers top not kind of thing. There's all this stuff about this Hellwig character where he's he's acting out cultural aesthetics about the restraint of the impulse to violence. Right. This sort of like the contextualisation of the impulse violence fighting some sort of a reason why he wants to hurt things that can make him proud of himself. Like, oh, he's like Lorenzo lamas from renegade. Right. Like, that's what I kept thinking. When watching this is like, oh, it's like MAC from. It's always sunny in Philadelphia, but kind of more serious and adolescent where it's like, I've got this. Cool duster. I'm like this cool guy. Right. It means. I'm not this horrible abomination. And. Yeah, the top dot shows. Like, oh, I've been you know, I've been reading. I've been reading history history books about the semi readings show gun and his side that like this is the way that I'm going to handle myself. You have the top non it's really interesting. It's all really interesting. But but he's he people give him food and his friends give him food, and that's one of the ways in which they maintain the the belief that there is friends, and there's other ways that they do it, and they kind of earned it over time. But but the main interaction is they keep boy locked in a vault, and they bring him like deli meats and candy bars and kicks, and he sees this as sort of like a familial relationship. Similar to an adolescent kid who has to stay and you dinner with his family, even though he wants to be out causing a ruckus. All right. And but they can't let about because if people see him, then they're going to Israel, and that's a whole problem. This is a digression. This is neither here nor there. But like the difference between sort of industrialized mass produced food, and you know, homemade single one off produced food is. That mass produced food looks good in quantity and homemade food looks bad in quantity. Right. Because like, yeah. Contrary country your suggestion that those pancakes looked good I thought the pancakes looked kind of gross. I thought it looks like a trough of slop to me and a lot of that. But you know, a stack a whole bookcase full of baby Ruth, candy bars that would be a thing of beauty, right? And that like that added aspect, I guess packaging or homogeneity homogeneity or. I I don't know. Maybe they're just sort of different thought categories, mass produced, food, and and bespoke artisanal food. Yeah, we can't let go of this because my favorite scene in the movie involves this and I want to get back and ask Mark about Catholicism. But we gotta talk about cookies, I because my favorite scene in the movie is what hell boy is always stocking his crush because help boy doesn't act in a moral way because he's an anti hero. Right. And he's like there's this girl that he grew up with because she also she has these sort of drew Barrymore fire starter powers and play by Selma Blair, and she when she gets distressed she explodes in fire and kills everyone around her. So she was also in the same sort of holding facility slash secret agency that help boy was in as a child, and she's since tried to move on and rejoin society by going to a mental institution and getting therapy and help and help boy misses her and has the sort of Iran. Feelings for her as well as this sort of like attachment problems where he's like, she left me. Everybody leaves me. Right. Like, I need her back and not really seriously considering what she wants which is because he's an adolescent, and and a bad person in certain ways. And so when she goes out at a date with his co worker, which is all kinds of problematic. He follows her and his like leaping through the rooftops dark. Knight return style, wearing a duster stalking. His ex right. Is crush or whatever. And this little boy is like oh my God. It's hell boy. I've seen pictures of you on the news, you're real. And he's like, yeah. I'm on a mission. Right. And there's that wonderful Mirroring where he's looking down off the roof, and there is the pairing of some of Blair, and that B I Asian guy, whoever he is and and on the roof, it's Rupert Evans, I guess on the roof. There's the pairing of hell boy, and then the little boy. So and so it's it's a scene of a little boy looking at adults and hell boy. Feeling like a little boy looking at adults. How do I move into that sphere? And the little boy, it's couldn't even as help feels alone. But help always actually in a relationship in this moment with this little boy, and they have this commonality, and this kind of and and help the little boy who also is incapable of fully relating to hell because hobos giant demon decides that he's going to do the only gesture of affection the supreme gesture of affection he could possibly think of which is go downstairs and get his mother's homemade cookies and bring them up and share them with hell boy, along with the delicious looking glass of milk. And so like hell boy like eats the homemade cookie the first one is like, oh, you're gonna eat that in the eats the second homemade cookie, and the boy is like so happy to share his cookies withheld boy because he doesn't know how else to connect with him. And he's like is excited about him because he's seen him on the news. Right. I would say, yeah. That those pancakes looked good to me because they look like real pancakes and those cookies look good to me because they look like real cookies, and then there's this idea that there's some. Something about this exchange of food. That's nursing the baby Ruth is being included partially a sort of an old fashioned candy. It's not a Snickers. But, but I think I think I think you're right in that like the stack of baby routes would be more appealing and the idea of like giving someone a baby Ruth to give to him is kind of an artificial simulate grim of what you really need to do to make friends with hell boy, which is to either give him cookies or give him. His father's rosary. Before we move onto the Catholicism. Let's go to tie up the help what? Character arc. You're right. Because it's explicit in the movie that like the old caretaker surrogate father figure says the new FBI agent like, you know, you have to help hell boy become a man, he doesn't say hell, boy becomes a hell, man. But that's. It is implied strongly. Does he become a man by the end of this movie has progressed from the child childish attitude like we described about the rooftop into something more mature? And if so how I think you have to say that he has it's tricky because the epilogue tells us that he has, but the blogs of these things often, tell us something other than what is really happened has helped we become a man, I would say that I want to hear what you have to say about this too. But I would say that hell boy has become capable of being in a relationship, which he wasn't at the beginning of the movie, he's capable of having a sort of a hetero normative relationship with a woman, and which is like the ending of the movies. Not the best part. Because it doesn't really make a ton of sense ways. But but it would help way has done is. He is he has gone from a situation in which he is conflicted about who he is to a situation in the bat has described his triangle between nature nurture and choice. Right. Like sort of what he refers to as as it's super ego and ego and help boy by the end has realized that has has established the primacy of choice among these three things. And you might even say that being a baby is about is about your your nature being a child is about your nurture because your your parents is your manifestation of your need. And you're you're living in the context of whether you please your parents or not and then being an adult, you know, is about choice about about are you really taking responsibility for who you are. And what you're going to do with your life. And have you also come to terms with the fact that it's not going to be perfect, and you're going to have to learn to live with it? And in that sense. What makes him capable I think of having the relationship with the with. Woman because he's able to recognize that like it's not he's not going to be able to change his face to make himself different from what he is. And she's not going to be able to change her brain to make her different for who. She is. But he's realized that they can choose to be together, and that their particular sort of mental problems actually dovetail nicely into a possible relationship, and that they can kind of like leave the way in which they're, you know, parental institutional figures have dictated how they ought to live to live in the way that they choose. And so in that way, he's a man. And he's also a man in the sense that he's confronted kind of mortality in the cosmic sense and come away with it from the idea of like, okay? I kind of know eventually what's going to happen to me. But I'm choosing to live this way right now for the time being in case help away it's not necessarily that he's going to die instead of actually is going to destroy the universe or the world or whatever. And he's not going to do it now. But that's kind of an adult choice to say like well at some point I'm going to die. What am I going to do at the time that I have as opposed to like, oh my God. I'm going to die. I'm going to pay my eyelashes black, and and and, you know, cover myself in a fish net. So that I can't get out the door in the morning because a triple the giant sack of fish net. That's over my head. I'm gonna like express my agony at the unfairness of my existence to the universe with this predisposition of a child towards an adult that the idea that somebody is going to come and fix it. No. They're not right. Being an adult is like, no, they're not going to fix it. You have to kind of take responsibility for it yourself. But that's how I would say he's sort of becomes a man. But met what do you think? Yeah. I think choice I think you're emphasis and kind of concentration on choices is exactly right. And it's I I go into it as as sort of saying like in his early life. Hell boy is kept in the cage. And and he becomes a man. We'll become we help become adults in the sense that we internalize the cage. He's sort of start to. You start do. Behave behave in the way, that you're in the ways that your parents, you elect you elect autonomously to to behave in the ways that your your parents would instruct you to behave when when you're growing up and to put a mill tonic notion of obedience, right? Sort of look look. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Well, I mean, you know, hell boy is all about the hell within him for within him. Hell he brings I link it to the rosary that the John hurt character wears because the John hurt character. Where's the rosary around his neck? It's sort of in circles it restricts. It's like. It's not just decorative. There's this aspect of it. That's kind of like a leisure collar or something like that the the the divine caller of the rosary. And then you know, when young young MC FBI soon. Throws it to me catches it in his hand. And it burns them in his hand burns because he's a these demon. But it it becomes kind of a Mark on his person, you know, rather than being and an external constraint or rather than being rather. It's funny. I guess he grows up in the sense that he goes from being Catholic to being Protestant, right? Whoa. I'm like that. Because let's do this. Let's have the religion conversation 'cause well so passionate fellow schism is distinguished by its Sacramento theology. Right Catholicism is all about signs and symbols of things and scientists symbols could art good music. Good. The special liturgical signs and symbols that are called sacraments are are good. And that like we use these things we use a kind of metaphorical language or a kind of theatrical language of enactment and. And art and physical and sensory information, right? As a as a sort of gateway into spiritual truths. This is not true of of Protestant theology. Especially the kind of more doctrinaire not contemporary Protestantism. But a more doctrinaire. You know, Martin Luther type of thing or the the American kind of puritanical Protestant is which was really about stripping a lot of that stuff away bear white walls in the church. No rosaries, no signs and symbols really about more a kind of direct contemporary give communication and how to theology of predestination right in the predestination of the elect the people who are. The people who are. Who are what destined to to go to heaven? So sorry, I I was just kind of linking it up in the in in in my head with the conversation that we've had before. So like, actually take those is the two poles of this sort of the the the nature and the nurture actually the nature being the Protestant way, the predestination the idea of me, you know, blindsiding Pete on this podcast and seeing PT does your l