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Bye Bye Burkie

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Bye Bye Burkie

"Berkey ready yup. Just thirty one church. This is thirty. One thirty would dirt. So i made a promise elliott friedman and like to say that this is a promise. I actually kept A few shows ago. I said to you every podcast. I will ask you for an update on the pittsburgh penguins. General manager search and today now that that has concluded my promise has been kept. I've asked you every podcast. But now i don't have to ron hextall general manager and the shocker. Brian burke now xtrasports sports net now president of hockey operations for the pens. Set us up on this one first of all. I'm happy to give the time line. Because one of the tech. I god in the aftermath of it was did you know berkey was the whole time and just hide that fact and the answer is no and i do wanna make that very clear only once have i ever done anything close to that in my career and i will tell that story to so burkey called me at one forty pm on tuesday and said i'm leaving and i loved and he goes no i'm serious and he said i'm going to tell you something but you have to agree That you can't release it until two fifteen. I said okay. And he goes Going to pittsburgh with ron hextall to be the president of hockey operations for the pittsburgh penguins. And i was like wow and you could tell he was excited so i said obviously you're very happy about this because at the end of the day like you said in the interview that we're gonna play you just want someone to be happy. You want your friends to be happy that people you care about to be happy so i was happy for burkey. I never heard burks name. I mean hextall. We were all over you know. We reported before the game on Sat on monday that he had had his second interview. And then i tweeted out late at night. I forgot to do it earlier. Tweet out late at night and it certainly was trending as of hextall was going to be the gm. But i have to tell you. I had no idea about burkey until that moment where he called me and told me i was blown away. The only other person. I'd heard for the president of hawks job. Like the person to work alongside hextall. The only other name i'd heard for that specific spot was kevin weeks So i think weeks was definitely in the mix but burki. I was shocked. I had no idea well over the past few days. I mean you talked about how this might not just be a one person higher. I mean you said this. A couple of different places on the last podcast. You mentioned this as well. I believe sometimes the podcast bleeds into conversations that we've had the But i believe you said that. There's this might be a multi layered thing. There might be more to this than just a general manager hire. I know that you didn't know it was going to be brian. Burke nobody did like the the security around this one was great job. Field tight guy was in our position. We really shouldn't applaud people for keeping secrets but bravo like that was that was a masterclass in keeping a secret there but at what point did you realize we're going timelines that this wasn't just going to be one higher right from the beginning. I had heard that it was likely that they were going to bolster their staff. It wasn't just going to be one higher. It was going to be more than wine. But when i was chasing the confirmation that hextall interviewed for a second time on monday i had some people. Tell me that there are additional layers to this and you should assume it's more than one individual. So that's the sort of confirmed what i believe. I should tell the story to like. I mentioned that only once. Have i ever not done that years ago. And this is several years ago. I can't remember who the i think it was. When brian murray was hired glen haege interviewed for the ottawa. Sandra's gm job and we worked together at hockey night in canada. Time at cbc and I found out that he had interviewed and his jaw dropped. I walked right up to him. And i said did you interview for the senators. Gm job and his jaw drop. He goes hadn't you find out. And i said you know i'm not gonna tell you that and he asked me as as a co worker never to bring that up on the air and i never did until now. This is the first time. I think i've ever told that story sear breaking news. How many years later a breaking news several years later. 'cause you know it is tough i. I did have one individual today. Who i'd called and said are you interested in said the whole time. Did you know berkey was in it. And the answer was no but i wouldn't want anyone to think that i would do that. To them. I remember mariel trombley. When he got hired to coach the montreal canadians he had to go on radio and say and how he apologized to people about interviewing them for being the coach of the canadians when he knew he was getting the job. That always stuck with me. So i just want people to know that i didn't Intentionally concealed burks name. I think it would have been the wrong thing to do. Or your thoughts on ron. Hextall here in a couple of seconds but more time here with are now former colleague Brian burke you've mentioned this a couple of different places and you do bring it up in the interview and i always think it's an interesting one. I mentioned this the last broadcast and anyone that's followed this podcast will listen for awhile knows that you know. I don't have a favorite team. Cheer for people. I cheer for moments you know. I want people to be successful. You've talked about that as well. Brian has always grown up in this environment. Where you're on a team and you dig in your heels and you swing and that's your team. And that's huge sheer four. And that's who you defend. I'll give you a story. So when when brian started with us. Brian and i hadn't been on the best terms for a while. Yup and i remember going to work that morning when The first show is going to do with brian and remember my wife said to me. What's it gonna be like. And i said skin be fine for me like this. Is my home turf like we're going to sports net. Cbc building. i'm i'm fine. I harbor zero animosity for brian. Maybe he does for me. I don't know. And i remember walking into the green room. Lotus and brian standing up looking me in the eye shaking my hand and say and he said i'll never forget this moment. He said we're on the same team now. Now we're on the same team. And ever since then. I i'll tell ya elliott like this guy anytime i've had an idea everytime you know something for whether it's radio or television. He's been completely supportive. He's called on me to do charitable work forum hosting events. Things like that of always stepped up for him. And he talks about his his terrible initiatives in this interview coming up but he does strike me and always has as someone that needs to be involved emotionally in the game like. I don't know the brian ever liked leaving the studio and kind of not being either elated about a win or pissed off about a loss. That's fair yes. I think that's very fair. You know. I gotta tell you had a good week merrick. You've said things that are interesting not you. Don't get used to it but don't get used to it but you know it's funny like burkey to like. We want a year without talking when he was. Gmo lease And you know it's just a reminder and working. I talked about this today when when we spoke a couple of times and we getting battles because of the things we say and i understand it like the burki i. I don't mind telling the story now. Berkeley i got in a fight over the report by dave fess shock the star about james rhymer getting a concussion and if you'll remember Day festival called the family and they confirmed it for him and berkey went crazy. And i've never asked. Mike milbury this. But i'm convinced that burkey called mike milbury and asked military to rip the reporting and so i was on the air at the time and millbury Said that and i said and i defended dave who was a friend and burke got mad because he was so angry about it. We didn't talk for a year. And you know the thing is is that in this business is set up in a way that you are adversarial with people. You don't always try to be but you are because the things that we report sometimes and say sometimes they obviously don't line up with what the teams want to hear out there and that's the way it is but even though sometimes this happens jeff. I think you're you're a lot like me. You don't take it personally. The sometimes we do take it personally. Yes if we feel it gets personal but other times i look at it like you know. Unfortunately that's just the job that's just the way it goes and it doesn't mean you're a bad person that doesn't mean the other person on the other end is a bad person. It's just the way it goes because your setup in adversarial roles and we have to report things that other people don't want out there and that's why they even though the birkin. I went for a year that time without talking whenever i saw it was never about. Oh i hate this guy. It's just like that's the way it is. And that's the way it goes. Sometimes ron hextall. Your thoughts is him as the general manager. I think very early in the process. He was there guy if not right after his first interview and i think it was all about who was going to go in there kind of with him. He worked in philly. They seen first hand. What hextall's resume is doing in philly. I think any time you get fired. What that team does in the years after you get fired is your resume. And ron hextall resume only got better since he was fired. Like one of the things berkey in the interview and people will hear any talks about how hextall will learn about what he did wrong or what he could do better. One of the things. Ron hextall did was leave. Carter hard in the american hockey league. I wonder if if he brings up. Carter heart sooner He keeps his job. Yeah or is he the gm longer. I don't know but that's his resume and it looks good and i'm sure the pittsburgh penguins are looking at this and saying that's what he did. That's what he built. We want that here and the penguins. No they don't have a ton of picks they don't have a ton of prospects. That's what ron hextall is. Therefore and that's what he's good at. I am not surprised in the least bit that they went for him. For that reason. I will tell you the the funniest thing i thought in the conference was him saying he likes rivalries and when people hate each other people from pittsburgh or like that guy's a flyer even though his dad played for the penguins the way ended between ron hextall and philly was not pretty hard feelings on both sides. This rivalry is going to be fierce. Because of how some and the flyers organization feel about hextall and how hextall feels about some people in the flyers organization they just both have to be good elliott like they both have to be good teams for that rivalry to get personal. And if they're good teams that means they'll be playoff series of keystone state. They both have to be good. The question becomes. What's going to happen to the pittsburgh. Penguins now is it. A step backwards is a continuation of. We've got these elite level players. Let's keep adding in going for it. Given its hextall has been hired and one of his calling. Cards is patients. What happens to the penguins. Now your estimation we'll ask berkey and you'll hear what burkey says my impression from the call. Is they see where this year goes and then make their decisions. I'll tell you before. We hit the breaking comeback with brian. Burke interview one of my favorite things every night working with brian burke. When you're on the panel is at the end of every segment how he signs off so he'll go to everybody else and say good job and then he will ignore me or not say to me so on a wednesday night. It's great job. Great job kevin. Great job eric. last week. great job jennifer and he'll just ignore me and it never fails to make me laugh. I laugh every time. It's that dog. face looked. He gives you silence and walks right by you. He doesn't every segment. So what's happened. Hundreds of times and i feel never failed allowed. That's the thing i'm gonna miss them You and me both okay on the other side you're gonna hear from brian burke This is in welcome to thirty one to podcast presented by the gmc sierra first of all brian burke. Congratulations second of all. You always talk about security around announcements. This one was ziplock seal. This one was lou lamb. Rillo ask how did you keep this. Oh tight lipped. While i was trying to really go out on my way to screw elliot breaks everything. And i thought well i got a screw ellie at this time but don't really what happened was and david. Morehouse told the story today. We weren't talking to me about the job. He was asking me about candidates. So i said like mike feud is really good at this disguise. Really good at that. Here's his shortcomings and that night. David morehouse was talking. To mario and mario said how come you know so much detail about all these guys. And he's been talking to brian. Burke and mario said burkey wish should we talking to him. What night was this. What when would this have been like wednesday night okay. The the last week the deal came together and hours the next day they said. Would you be interested and i said well. They didn't offer me the gm job a senior adviser job. I said yeah. I would be interested. Pittsburgh like this isn't just another nhl team. It's the pittsburgh penguins so the deal came together very quickly. I actually did not get a formal written confirmation till noon today. And then they called the league and told them and did a zoom call with mariel. And ron burkle the other owner. Who's a brilliant guy. So i remember one of our earliest conversations when you joined us at sports net. You and i are going on about something. And i asked you if you would go back and you said i would only go back for and i think you told me to teams and you wouldn't tell me who they were but should. I assume that pittsburgh was one of them. Yeah and the other one was if the league took over a team. Okay you could guess maybe with that one might be yup and what will happen is people will speculate. Brian burke left sports net because x y and the simple fact is i loved working at sports net. Like a sleeping on my own bad no travel. I like the people i worked for. I like the people i worked with. That's a description of great job. If you like the people that work for and the people you work with so no. I was resigned to. I told elliot. How many types broadcasting is my life but this one job that man. I just got this boost of energy i feel five years younger. He'll other thing too though. Burke is that it's like michael jordan coming out of retirement twice to me is good as broadcasting is for you and as much as you enjoy it nothing for you will beat that feeling of trying to build a champion. That's your rush. that's what you were wired for. I totally get it. I totally understand that. There's no question about it. Like what i worked for the league. The thing i told. Gary bettman i left is i can't stand not carrying who winston and lose so i'm watching nhl game. I'm praying for two things and praying that my officials don't mess up and i'm praying that i don't have to suspend anyone. I'm not really interested in the outcome and that's hard. That's the part. I got back today is now. I care about the outcome. Two games now. i'm invested. That's the biggest rush for me. I remember when you were with calgary one of the things you always had as i. I don't want to be in front of the cameras. I don't want to be in front of the microphones. this is true. Living's gig he's the guy he needs to be out in front now that you've got three more years of broadcast chops you've done plenty of television. You've done plenty of radio. You've done an animated series. Do you do you still want to be the guy behind the curtain or do you say to yourself what. I kind of like being out in front of the camera even more than i did before. No this. is ron hextall team. When someone talks about hockey operations is going to be actually me. I don't crave the camera. I never did and i don't know like i don't think the cameras very kind to me anyway. I think i look old older grumpy so to me. It's it's like this is sexy team. My job is to take as much off his plate as i can And give him whatever guidance. I can't let me ask you one more broadcasting question than we'll probably get into more hockey stuff here. One of the things that i didn't like about you on tv is that they made you do up the tie. I always wanted to see the brian burke look though loosen caller and the on the thai not done up. How did you feel about that much. Rather have gone on the air with the tied. Rick brace was running sports net. When i came on board and tie in the tie so i did my press conference. Stay with the tie on tight. I noticed that yeah. People should know the origin of that too. It's not some fashion statement. When i worked for pat clinton i would be into work at six o'clock so in the boston. Bruins are open for business. So were we. But i would come in and jeans and a t-shirt and i would work from six 'til whenever packet which usually seven or seven fifteen and pat will come in dressed immaculately and i would commend. Pat's office and we'd spend sometimes twenty minutes sometimes an hour and a half. Here's what we have to do. We gotta sign david bruce. We've got release issue. Here's a couple of kids. I'd like you to see in the draft. And then i'd go downstairs and workout and then i put up. My suv kept off my suits at work. And i come upstairs so i stopped tying the tide rush upstairs with the tire on my neck and i wouldn't tie it until i needed to. Sometimes that'd be eleven o'clock in the morning. I remember time my tied during the anthem a couple of times. And that's how it started just sheer laziness it wasn't fastened state by the way sheer laziness will serve you. Well when you get back into television. So you're my idol elliott. So let's talk about the penguins for a sec number. One and i think we have the answer but i'm just going to clarify it. If there's a decision to be made in the owners always have say particularly when it comes to crosby and malkin but if there's a trade to be made does ron hextall have the final hockey authority. And the answer is yes. But i think there's a better way to approach. So when i took the job in calgary i said can't king the late great. Ken king house work. Do i have veto power. And he said don't think of it. In terms of veto power think of it in terms of being business partners. If you and i were business partners we owned shoe store you would not come in one morning and say i'm taking the next two weeks off on holiday. You would talk to me two weeks before and say what about this. And that's what. I told bradsher lowering when i hired him. I said look. We gotta approaches like business partners in king. This was a brilliant strategy. Let's talk about stuff before. It gets to a point where i have to veto you or have to make a decision like so. Let's talk about traits. And if it's something. I don't think go anywhere i'm gonna tell you that and let's move on to something else to me. It will never come down to who has final say but if you ask bradshaw living and i hope someone does. He'll say me there in. That's my goal with taxi. 'cause i respect taxi job. He didn't really. I don't think it's gonna come down to who's got final. Say the answer is the owner always has final. Say so the only dealer at vetoed where i worked in anaheim was. We're talking about trading bobby ryan for keith. Kachuck henry seven. I don't wanna do this deal because it's one point five million on the cap he said. I will not overrule you on hockey decisions but on the cap i have final. Say that made sense to me So at the end of the day everyone has a boss so automatically the pittsburgh penguins have now one of the toughest for an offices Of any team in the nhl. I think that you mentioned that. I was gonna get to that point too. I guess it there. Isn't this something. Like the main mariner new. Here's you know someone chopping down edmonton oilers in nineteen eighty-seven la cup final In the In the front office a really tough front office. I want you to talk about ron. Hextall what are some of the things that you think. We should know about him first off. He's really bright. Like if you look at the history of gm's nhl very few goaltenders in the thinking was back in the day. You could be a great goaltender not know. Think about how to play the game. It's different now because the goal is are in the power. Play meetings during the meetings. The goal is acquire a lot more knowledge now than they did back. When i played. But i think the one thing i would say about him is what i've talked to him would impress me is how bridas. He's a smart man number. One is like you look at the job. He did putting that team together in philly in the draft. Picks he's made. This is a good higher. Well that's what leads to another question. The one thing that we learned boat. Ron hextall specifically in philadelphia is. He's patient but he does not mind you know sitting on an egg waiting for it to hatch a he'll take time and that ended up. There was some friction in philadelphia because of it. Is that what the penguins need. you think. i think it's a combination of all of the public. Patience is a virtue and impatience is also a virtue but it has to fit the reality of your team. She can be impatient and haxhi felt in philly that they weren't ready and he was patient. Cost him i think he's learned from that experience and understanding to balance it too. But i think you're always better the second time as gm so way better gm my second time then. It was my first time although i was pretty. Darn good is my first time. But i think he's benefited from that experience. And he's wiser for it and we're all better next time around so what i had heard and it sounded like it was kind of confirmed in the call you had with david. Morehouse and ron hextall. Is that the pittsburgh. Penguins are going to play out this year. See how it goes and then make some major decisions. That could change. The course of the franchise forever. Is that an accurate portrayal or not. I'd say that's accurate. I status to use those words in a sentence to you. But i think that's accu. Here's a different. So two months ago i was asked. Can the pittsburgh penguins win. And i said no based on i diagram the team. I put it next to the tampa bay. Lightning a diagram. The team i put it next. The washington capitals. I'm like no. They're not stanley cup contender. But now you get the job. And you're like wait a second. I had scott neater meyer. I chris broader pavel burry mark messier the plate for me. I've never had a better player than sidney crosby so all of a sudden. Now you're saying well okay. It's fine on paper but let's find out. Let's see what we can do. So i think the thinking is without divulging. What we talk about in the boardroom is. Let's see what this team can do. And basically haxhi said that today and then we'll see in the off season we've got some tough decisions if this team can't get there. Let's see if we can get them there. What additions can we make. I think there were some people. Brian and i know you are not one to shy away from anything. And i know. Ron hextall is definitely not one to shy away from anything but i do their think. There were some candidates who were not crazy about being the idea of the idea of being the person who might have to dismantle the pittsburgh penguins. Do you look at this. And say i could be the guy who trades batang or malkin or crosby did that come up at all in the conversations. No here's the difference elliott and this is not trying to be dramatic. I've never looked at a hill and said it's too tall too high like i had gm's call me today and say you're out of your mind. You're going into a minefield with nothing but poor options in front of you disaligned badly. What were you thinking. I'm like i don't see it that way. I got special players. I got gm. I trust. I got a coach i trust. Let's see what we can do. They're playing without three of their top five or should say we are playing without three of our top five defensemen like who knows chugged. This team is if we get healthy. So no i have no problem with that and the notion that you wouldn't take a job because of the hurdles in front of you that the sand traps in front of you that thinking has never entered into my mind my mind as you give me enough time. Give the resources. I can fix this one of the things further to that points. I'm curious what happens now. One of the things that i always liked Doing with you on television on radio. Brian was the what happens next. Or word of the domino's that half the fall here A new general manager would join a team whenever a new executive. Which team always say brian. What's the first order of business so and so goes in. What does he or she do. So for brian burke today is the happy day. Today is congratulations today. Is you know the celebration. Tomorrow it's roll up the sleeves. What does your job become starting tomorrow. What do all job one is called. Sit job to is called. Said god three is called said job for is called sully so i have not talked to said yet. I told said you should make that. Call your the gm. I will talk to sit tonight. I have talked shelly. So you evaluated team. You say okay. What's wrong with this team. And it's easier to talk about what's right with the pittsburgh penguins. They got a great coach. They've got huge pieces. They got arguably the best player that ever played the game or certainly one of them. So you got to focus on the positives and like how do we turn this into more wins right now. We're scuffling a bit. It's not about how do we break this down. How do we tear it down. What do we have to replace. It's more like okay. I have taken over teams where the list of challenges were long as your arm like. That's not the pittsburgh penguins now. Tough decisions coming. I think so. I've taken over teams with a way higher hill in front of me. I've never understood guys who are like that hills to high mike. Jesus murphy. it can't be too high. Someone's gonna fix it. I came to toronto. People told me. I was not like someone's gonna fix it. I got fired that year. That team made the playoffs. If you're a guy that looks at a hill and says it's to either do something else man sell life insurance or do something else. These you see the penguins adding anything in the short term for this year while we're capped out we don't have a lot of draft picks so it's gonna be hard but yeah we'll see we're going to get in there and find out what we can do but the answer would be yes. The message from ownership is clear to me. Let's see what we can do this year. What is mario lemieux like in a job interview while he was very kind to me like i've known for years so when i was still practicing law in boston his first game ever in the nhl was in boston garden. P peters was the goalie for the bruins. Who was a former teammate of mine and a client of mine. I represented pete. I talked to him that day. I said look this new kids. Something special you gotta watch him. He scored on his first shift on the ice. I've always gotten along. I had dinner with. Mario couple of years ago with i think richard petty was there paul. Coffey might have been there so i've known for years. He's very gracious guy. He's a very humble guy for being like superstar. He doesn't act like that or on people. He's very gracious and accommodating so in an interview is. I don't know ron burkle as well but i was really impressed with him too. So here's my last one then. Good there's there's an end coming to this. No i know. Don't worry we'll put your head back. Here comes the drill. Here's why i'm excited for you. Because i know that you like you're an ideas person and you like going in there and changing things or at least fighting for things you think should be changed. You've always been that. We always been passionate that way. Now you're in those meetings. You're around those people that make the changes in the game as you. This isn't a penguins squashes in. Nhl question really as you reenter nhl management. What are some of the ideas or pet causes that you would like to see changed. And why is the answer. The draft lottery. I think your job as a gm is prioritized. A list of what we need to get to work my job is president hawk operations to help paxi do that as far as league stuff. I believe i will be attending league meetings. I intend to raise the draft lottery question. I believe the way it was left with two. Gm's was anyone who has an idea to change a lottery. Send us a note which means they probably won't get any notes except from steve is. I do think they've gotten okay. So this goes back to when i was a rookie. Gm lulenar would come on the call and talk about the four recalls in would be like. It's unfair it sucks and is like let it go. The four recall rule. Who cares then. We go to the conference finals. And we've got an issue with the for recall. mike. Why didn't i listen. Why was paying attention. Teams that have not been adversely affected by draft lottery. Rule will stay silent. but it's a terrible rule the draft lottery sotero. The whole point of inverse order of selection in the draft is at the crappiest teams. Get the most help. And i understand we have to have a lottery. Okay we have to have a lottery. 'cause we had owners and gm's that were willing to tank so we have to have lottery but the lottery should be the lowest number of teams that can affect that outcome and that for me is five like what they've got right now is busted. It's broken it's wrong. They've got affects it. Damn flyer zaborsky. Listen this has been This has been a lot of fun again. Congratulations listen. Everybody was surprised. And there's a there's a lot of people on on our conference call say there was a lot of surprise and a lot of people that are happy for you. Obviously but We are poorer for your loss. Not having you around anymore. Not having you on the shows. you've been a delight to work with And i know Of all the people that we've had come through sports on various properties. The one thing about you that release stands out for me outside of the broadcasting. And i always knew that you were a generous person burkey but i don't think too many people know how much of a charitable person that you are like a lot of people losing a colleague and the one thing that i'll take away from my experience working with you is that's a really charitable man. I'm grateful for that comment. I i will tell you this. I used to say to my kids. Who's gonna come to your funeral. And what are they gonna say. It'd be like eleanor rigby and three all ladies that live in that village gonna come to your funeral. The only ones there or will be a pack church. And what are they gonna say. They're not gonna talk about how much money you made or how big your house was going to talk about what you did were. You're a good dad. We're good brother. We were good sister where you're good mom. A good employees. Did you care about things that you make a difference where you live. This is in the book. A guy came up to me last year on the street in toronto this before mass that he said hey mr burki said our city is better because you live here at made my month. Total stranger made my month. 'cause he understood so to me it's all about being involved in giving back and that's never gonna change for me burkey. We're gonna miss you. We're gonna miss you a ton. And i guess i would close this interview off by saying in five years after you've won a stanley cup and you're ready to come back tv. Which panelist are you gonna take off the air hopefully you but if you're still era five years i'll be shocked. Okay you close this. When he close off every tv segment that we do burkey go. Okay and good job. Just i know you feel the same way eliot. I'm really gonna miss working with that guy you know. I really am gonna miss working with burkey every single week. We wish him all the best with the pittsburgh penguins. And the one thing that i've always and you go back to all of his team's hartford vancouver anaheim toronto. All of them calgary. Now pittsburgh where i feel it would be the same. There's always been a question about managers and you know. Is it their job to make their sport more efficient or more enjoyable and people have always put those two things at loggerheads and one of the things that have always admired about is. He doesn't see those things as opposites. He sees what might be explicitly to as implicitly. One he sees that you can do those two things at the same time. That's always the thing that. I've admired about bryan his hockey teams. And all these fans are gonna say oh as brutal the eighteen wheeler off the road and all that you could tell he was trying to make them enjoyable hockey teams. I think he believes that you're there to entertain as much as anything else right. It's a show by the way. I was one of the people who fought that. He shouldn't have to tie tie but i lost that fight. Good for you. I said if. We're bringing him here to be brian berg. Why don't we let him be brian. Burke that's what. I always wondered like that. Those those decisions are way above my pay grade but anyone who would ever asked me. I always tell them the same thing. Like that's brian burke like that's the open caller that the high around the neck like that's his signature. Look let him be him Again we wish him. All the best with the pittsburgh penguins. We're going to miss him but e. You know what this means. Now we can start ripping them again. When do you think we start going years without talking to him again. I know shocking. I hate having to end the podcast like this again Some really good people lost some Some some jobs at three sports radio stations across the country vancouver winnipeg and hamilton. I don't know what to say other than i hope. All these people who lost jobs find other work quickly. And i will point out that every market that these stations were in made everybody whether it was hamilton and not just hamilton. But hamilton may toronto. Better you know winnipeg. That station grew that winnipeg sports market vancouver are really battled the the rogers Sports net station there and made them better and made everybody better. So what happened on. Tuesday is in no way a reflection of the work or value of any of those people that lost their jobs on tuesday. No it's business. It's got nothing to do with ability. Nothing and honestly. I don't like the way it was handled. Not at all. There has to be a better way to do it. And it's incumbent upon people who make decisions to find better ways to do it. One of the things i've always believed in my life. Is you judge a person by how they say goodbye. Saying hello is easy. That's happy time. That's everyone's excited. Hey it's a new friendship. It's a new relationship. He think of all the possibilities once you go through things and there is baggage emotional mental all built-up saying goodbye is difficult. But that's the moment where the relationship gets judged and i'll say it again you judge a person by how they say goodbye.

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Flyers fire Hextall

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Flyers fire Hextall

"The. That game misconduct podcast with Don. League-record and welcome to the Monday edition of games conduct. Diam? Download Greco we had long hiatus because of thanksgiving, and we come back to some big news involving the Philadelphia Flyers. And who better to discuss that and everything else NHL on a Monday is EJ Radic fermenting. Joel now Monday through Friday on the NHL network four to six PM eastern time. How're you do? I heard you under the weather. So I'm glad you're feeling better. Yep. Just that's that time of year. You just got to try to. Grin and bear it. I guess that's the best thing you can do. And nobody's gonna feel bad for him. Because you know what? Next day could be you. So don't feel too bad because he seems to save some sympathy for yourself. It could easily be me off and on I'm often on death's door Mollison. But then you then you rally your known to rally rally, which is very alternative alternative. Yeah. That or death and believe me, we'll all scrape up enough strength try to avoid that whenever we can. Yeah. Well death in firing. Those are the two things that nobody wants to have happened to them in Ron extol is out in Philly, creative differences for lack of a better phrase. You're reading a statement, they just didn't seem to philosophically believe in the same thing's going forward with the organization. Do you know what those philosophies were? Well, no, I don't. But I would I would speculate on a couple of things I think that, you know, the flyers are underachieving so far this year, you know, their their goal differential is a minus thirteen which is in great. They're they're not been very good at home. They're five six one at hall. Call those losses have been ugly. I was there for their home opener against San Jose. When they got blown out in that game. And it wasn't the only time that they had been blown out on home ice. And they just had an embarrassing loss in buffalo that an embarrassing loss in Toronto. They did actually have a win against the Rangers on black Friday and played well in that game could have been a lot more one sided if it hadn't been for Henry. Plan. So well, so I mean, there's underachievement of there's probably some consternation within the flyers management structure about the future of their head coach, Dave axed, all we've seen a lot of we've seen several coaches moved out ready this year. So there's probably something that we're going to Asian somewhere along the line that probably feel like maybe they need a coaching change or something different day or so that could be something. Also, the new I think during Ronnie's tenure there. He's been very of. He's been very patient, and he's tried to develop as young players, and that's very commendable. And you know, I think there were probably some that are saying, okay. You know what we have goalie injuries? Let's get Carter heart from the minors, regardless of has been just played very average there. And let's elevate them to the National Hockey League level. And I think Ronnie's probably quite back against that. He's fought back. It's the coaching change. But the one thing I would say about, you know, Ron Hextall tenure which has been I would be critical for sure is that if you were gonna look to have a stop gap goaltending group between the time you draft in heart. And when you feel he's going to be ready, and really it's gonna be a while. You had to do better than Brian Elliott, and Calvin Pickard and Michael noisier. There's been a number of goals that have been available over the last couple of years. They signed Ryan Elliott after Brian Elliott, basically was a key element in the Calgary. Flames being eliminated in the playoffs in that particular year. Michael waiver hasn't been able to stay healthy for more than a couple of weeks at a time Calvin Pickard they picked up off waivers. You know, it just seems like they haven't been able to find any stability goal during his tenure. And I think that is another thing that I would say the other stuff we could argue. I don't think we could argue about that. I think that there have been other goals that have been available that would have been better than what they've come up with. And so that and that really to me is one of their biggest problems. There's just no confidence in the Philadelphia. And it makes sense to me everything that you say and the patients we've talked about it here on the show on how they weren't gonna rush heart up. They weren't gonna rush some of their younger players up for a run last year. Even though they worry. To make the playoffs or cosmetically to to soothe any problems this year that there was patients usually it's the general manager. That's chea-. It's the organization that's preaching patients. It seems like it might have been the other way around maybe the organizations Chiba, Iran. Xbox had the philosophy of I want to be patient it usually works the other way around right? I mean, he he was I guess thinking he had all the time in the world and time ran out. Yeah. And you know, the other thing too is that in Philadelphia now, you know, done it when we were growing up tonight or on the flyers. And like when the old man was happy things were good. And when the old ban wasn't happy things got changed, and that's the way work, and and now with Mr. Snider passed away a couple of years ago, and it's kind of a corporate group. You know, the Comcast group that owns the flyers. I'm not exactly sure we'd making the decision, you know there. It's a it's more of a corporate structure. I know Paul homeland is he's the guy that eventually his name gets on the, you know, the release, but you know, how much input comes from. The corporate management structure above him. You know, and how much they have to say in this. So the bottom line is for the flyers. They've got to play better. They've got to figure out their goaltending situation. They've got a combination of some some veteran players that have been playing very very well. And some young players, you know, that they feel can be really good players. So the window for that all gnashing, you know closure. Ruse best years. Jacob four checks best years, even James van ravens cycle. They recently signed as a free agent and was injured for a good part of the season. I mean will they jive with when you know, I've improved RAF is at his best. Then maybe Carter heart becomes the goalie down the road. I don't know still. I mean, that's the window. Can you get all those things at the same window? I'm not sure, but they and the one other thing too is they don't really and it's not a fighting league anymore. We know that there's there's not those types of players, but in Philadelphia, I think they do like to have their team nasty and hard to play against and the flyers have had to fight. At the team this year to fighting majors and they've only come in the last couple of games. And again, not that you're gonna turn your team into the seventy five broad street bullies. But you know, there might be a sense in Philly. Like, hey, we have you know, that's where we are. We have to be a little bit harder to play against and we aren't right now. So there's a lot of things I think the problem what do it? I'll be very curious to see what happens. I didn't think they've axles days along there without Ron Hextall. And there is there is a place in Philly that could go out and could afford to make a deal with Joel when Ville the bringing him good point as well. That's a very good point on. They have the money to do it. Now, it's interesting because you're going to let go of both of them today if you wanted to so we'll see if it's just a reprieve until they can get something worked out with Joel or whether he thinks or the organization believes that hack stall will will be given a couple of weeks to maybe prove that he deserves to stay. But if they had a problem with say Hextall, not firing hack stall that I would think both of. I'm would have gone today. So we'll see if he could take the opportunity. Yeah. It's a little strange. I agree with you. I think it's odd because I think there has been some push especially because we've seen in the last several weeks as I mentioned, the Oilers made to change the things may change the hawks may changed teams. But making changes the blues meta change. It seems like that's the move that comes first. And if nothing else comes in tandem, but in this case suppliers have made this decision. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out over the next several them that should be interesting. All right from the negative to the positive Buffalo Sabres on an amazing run nine game winning streak. But if you dig a little deeper EJ eight of the nine games decided by one goal five of the nine games in shootout or overtime. So is this team that's coming together? And is a legitimate force in the National Hockey League. Or is this a team that you know has been quite fortunate during this nine game run. I mean, listen they've been riding away right now in this league. There is not a lot of difference between these teams now we have power more than I've ever seen it. This league for a long time and just for example in the metropolitan division from the capitals at the one spot the devils of the eight there's eight points between them so everybody is is kind of right on top charter. And you know, and the same can be said the divisions and throughout the the Buffalo Sabres or finding a way to win those games. And that's great for them. They have a franchise player Jack Eichel who was found. Someone in Jeff Skinner that he has great chemistry with your skin has just the test. Gators always been a really talented guy. We're talking to Johnny McClain who was coaching Carolina was an assistant Carolina. And he was really impressed with Jeff scanner is just lost. You know, he just said this guy's really talented guy. And he gets to go to buffalo and play with a high end player and I call and he's got eighteen goals now in twenty four games. And I think in sixteen of those of come in the last seventeen games or something some crazy number like that. So they're getting they're getting enough scoring, you know. Golly that's come in. And he's a franchise. Pence men, but he you know, he's a rookie. But he gives them someone. Now, that's another really high end talented player. Rasmi Landon is I think it's certainly a you know, a tough re defenseman on teams in the league. So he's he joins with you know, with Ali. And they've got a couple of veterans back there. They added those veterans than the blues trade with a wily that gives them a deeper roster to begin with. They went out and got Carter Hutton who has come in and played very well, so far he's a veteran guy. That's giving them kinda the belief that they could win games, and Linus ullmark is played. Well, when he's as a young guy who they see my either die down the road. So listen, is it sustainable? No. It's not sustainable to continue to win sixteen to come back and games and win. Everyone goal game win all the shoot outs. It went all these overtime games. But the Buffalo Sabres through twenty four games. So put themselves in a great position to pay perhaps the ploughs this year. And I think they're going to be a team that they're feeling it right now. And if they can stay healthy. And if they continue to get decent goaltending. They're going to be a team. It's just gonna be a. Competitive team and hard to play like, you know, like a lot of teams in this league. Like, I said, I mean, there's just not a lot of different even the bottom one little change or something all of a sudden, they could be I'm not I'm not trying to pour cold water on it. A matter of fact, I joke around with Michael Rapaport who's our stat guy with the Rangers. And he sends out notes before every game. You know, who he is? You see him at the garden and one of the I joke around with him because he always gives a stat. Like when the Rangers. I haven't looked at today's yet. But just for sake of argument, you know, it'll be Rangers and senators, you know, fourteen of the last twenty meetings of a decided by one goal. I mean, you could say that about every matchup as the Rangers. Every game is decided by one goal or two goals because of an empty net. I mean, very seldom no matter how bad a team that you're covering is that you're sitting there with the game already being decided going into the third period that that's how the sport is. But you're right. The positive of it is they in nine straight games against some pretty pretty good. Opponents that they they've been the one to figure out a way to get that last goal. And that's that says something about a team they went in. They went into Winnipeg in Minnesota on back to back night. That's right. That's that's the win those games. And in Minnesota the second of the back to back they were down to nothing and rallying went. Absolutely. So you know, that to me was an eye opener because that is a hard double these days to go on and play those two teams. Yeah. And I gotta give a lot of credit. So we'll see how it goes. But I mean, heck I'm really happy for him because that's a die hard fan base up there. We know the sports history of that franchise. But hey, things are great in buffalo right now. The bills have won a couple on a row or say here we're role in. I mean. Hey, everybody's out on Chippewa while having a good time right now, you know, when you talk about what a sport needs and very seldom does a sports say we need the buffalo market. But the NHL does. I mean, if you take a look at the Stanley Cup final ratings. It's always a last year. You know, it's it's Vegas going up against Washington. So we are Washington. Be number one Vegas will be number two buffalo be three of Buffalo's always heard sometimes second depending on what the Stanley Cup. Final matchup is they love hockey, they hunger for it to the longtime since they've had a run that two thousand and six six cups should have been. There is no offense to Peter lobby letting the hurricanes, but the the sabers were so the net conference final I think they would be ten in the Stanley Cup. So that was that should have been there championship. They still think about the whole goal against Dallas ninety nine. Now. I'm not talking about Cup for this team. But if they can start moving in that direction, they'll be excited you mentioned Winnipeg is one of the teams that buffalo beat during this. Streak. I mean Patrick line. Aiming this is this is sick. Now what he's been able to accomplish Ellison. It's kind of a wacky stat. But still I player in NHL history to record a hat trick in three different countries in the same season. That's pretty good. I like that. It's three three hat tricks before the twenty third game. Which is something you alluded to on Twitter bossy did four times, but still different era of hockey. But. Listen, we had a conversation back when they when him and Matthews were rookies of and who should be the call to trophy winner. And you said you always leaned towards the center as opposed to a winger. But I say for a winger, I mean, this kids just a flat out star. And as just been a joy to watch while listen he could score. I mean, there's no question. He's Alex Ovechkin two point. Oh, I guess right. If there is such a thing, he's very similar that he's a big physical guy. Got a great relief. He scores with similar areas Lovie, and you know, the funny thing is this guy started off season. And he was a little bit in the slalom people are wondering what's up usually under the goals score? Either power play goals around the net goals. And then all of a sudden he just goes off the winter Finland and he got hot over there or he just brought back with them. And I mean, it's just the dynamic goals score. And I think he's going to be a dynamic goal score for long as he plays in this league and got nineteen now. And boy, I mean he's rolling. So he's got a supporting cast around him. You watch Blake Wheeler thread, those passes through to him in that left circle. And they got some nice camera crew one another. So no surprise like Patrick line is scoring goals. I guess the only surprises when he goes through any kind of stretch where he doesn't because he's just who's to dynamical for any update on the Lander. No, not for me. I mean, it's so I mean, we we know what the calendar says, right? I mean, we're we're sitting here and several more days Saturday. I believe is December first. You'll have to have something done by then, you know, I think it could go. Anyway, maybe we'll say well, he's going to sign or he's going to be traded something's going to happen. And I'm like, well, I mean, if chroniclers don't get a great offer for them, and they can't sign them. I mean, I don't think it's out of the role of possibility for for just shut shut down and for for knee land. Or maybe they end up playing Sweden this year. So I I'm not saying that's gonna happen. I think we're likely that he's either gonna sign or get traded. But I only get rule it out. Because if you're the leaps. I'm not giving me of kneeland or away. You know, I'm getting something significant return if I'm trading I think if I had to if I had to wager on it. And of course, I'm in the state of New Jersey. So I could sure thing existed. I would probably say that he'll get something done, and he'll say, but you know, when it will probably be something short term because I think that's the rub it all this is that, you know, newsletters, letters the first of the three guys to really be dealt with for a contract knee lender. Martyr and Matthews, and I think that there was some concern. In the new Andrew group that you know, they signed for less than you know, Margaret gets X amount. More Matthews gets X amount. More than that. I think they see their player and Louis grosses the Asia there, you know, of course, Williams dad, Michael played in the league, they see their player, as you know, in a similar place within the structure is maybe not at the top. But you know, you know, we get into these discussions about money. I mean, it's always it's always an interesting dynamic. So I think time we'll we'll play out over the next three or four or five days. Like, I said, I if I had to wager. I'd say he's gonna stay, but I wouldn't rule anything out and that would include the idea of him just not signing and not being traded here. And there's other players that are going through this next year. I yeah. Oh, yeah. I think we're, you know, I think peel the Brenneman done a piece on it about the idea that some of these younger players that have played so well, you know, we might be looking at some of this. And you know, some of these teams. Have a number of, you know, tough contracts, and I think that's you know, we haven't even seen that yet only when you think about some of the contracts that were signed. I mean, there's three four or five years left on these deals, and you know, I don't think we've seen the extent of the damage that they can do when a franchise I think we're seeing a little bit of that play out in LA with some of the problems they've had, but you know, they have a lot of success you win Stanley Cup. She signed players belong contracts, and then those players don't perform at that level anymore, and you're kind of on the hook for those contracts. So, you know, the case that guys like me land guys coming out of entry level. I think if if they're your guys that you feel like your core. Gosh view, they have produced. I think you almost you're almost of the situation where you have to pay for future production as opposed how it used to be where you pay for what a guy has done and tried a kind of a level of of production. Because if you wait you end up signing those guys much later in there, you know, at twenty six twenty seven. Now. Now, you're doing an year veal, and you're you're not getting the best eight years of their careers. You're getting you know, maybe three good years, then try to okay years, maybe three years where he meant to think about buying the guy out. So in in the in the case of the Matthews, who's obviously he's gonna get his money, and you know, Barner or and the end or I think you'd like to try to sign those guys for the eight years if you can just because you're getting their best probably their best years of their career. But the problem is in Toronto's case they've got to MIR assigned to a big deal. And they've got the, you know, three really high in young. It's just hard to hard to do the mass as yeah, it's hard to it's hard to do the stuff in a vacuum. Now for sure yeah. Yeah. Rick carpenter L. Of course, you know, him from the athletic. You should follow him on Twitter. He's a great follow for anybody out there looking for some hockey knowledge. I don't know if you saw this tweet from a couple of days ago, maybe yesterday says that the NHL quarter Mark nine of the top fifteen point scores are. Twenty three or younger, including each of the top four rotten file mcdavid McKinnon martyr. Overall, this blows me away forty six point four percent of players to appear in at least one game this season or twenty five or younger. I mean, that's what this league is about. And so these guys gonna wanna get paid. You know what I mean they're carrying teams right now. Yeah. And I think you here's another guy that's going to be interesting grading point in tamp down. I mean, he's probably been their best players. Certainly there amongst most productive players with future off. And what are you gonna pay? Brayden point of his Tampa Bay Lightning and some point down the road of you know, you have rent and then McKinnon, and Colorado, and then, you know, you pay McKinnon you're going to have to pay rent and at some point. So until you see how it's played out there with dry file mcdavid. Those guys are on big big contracts. And that team is really, you know, it's all good when the team is winning. But the team is losing then it's you know, it's more. It's more problematic. Obviously. But it's it's it's amazing. This league is gone young. It's it's a fast league now. And if you can't keep up, you know, you're you're in trouble. And that's the way I look at team like Saint Louis who, you know? Here's the staff where he died at this time last year the blues leading the league in points. They were a top the National Hockey League standings as we discuss we talked today. Your later are thirtieth out of thirty one teams. And I think Saint Louis has their hesitation to embrace the young talented players in their group and push them forward in their lineup has been part of their problem. Yeah. So you know, literally is absolutely about youth. That's absolutely that speed right now. And if you don't have those things in your line of going for you, you're probably looking up, but a lot of things. All right. Let's do a few tweets before. I let you go cool. Okay. All right. Sam has says gentlemen, hope you both had a wonderful. Thanks. Giving day with your loved ones looking at the Western Conference standings. I'm surprised to see Calgary is I in the Pacific Division, is that sustainable do. You think San Jose Vegas or Anaheim will rise to the top? I like San Jose's team still, but they've been so inconsistent. I mean that a nice little run. But really at the end of the day when you're looking at there. Yeah. They're twelve eighty four which means a twelve and twelve right, right? And they both board games and overtime. So they've been very up and down Calgary fourteen nine and one. I think the key for Calgary is going to be the gold sending now David Riddick has come in. And then great, and he'd be my guy. I would continue to roll with David Riddick. Now, they had the back to back. I believe Smith played in the game last night. But I haven't had a chance to double check that. But the bottom line is that. If Mike Smith is not going to respond, David miniature your is your goal, and he's played very very well. He's at nine thirty save percentage. Screw twelve games. You have to have goaltending this leak the Calgary Flames. They've got terrific young players there. Chuck drill Monaghan Lynn home. I mean, the defense which you're down on Brody. And and those guys. It just going to be about the goaltending is the goaltending going to be good enough. And there were two week division. So dateable. Absolutely. It's the stable for Colorado and have a good roster. They just need to get good. Goaltending Riddick continues to do that for them. They'll be fine. Yeah. Smith twenty five saves in the six to one victory for hours on last night. Haywood w says, do you see the Rangers picking up another play via trade to add a veteran presence with the kids? I don't think that's really where they're at. No. I agree. I think that they're like just talked about they have embraced the idea of playing the young players and to a certain degree. It's been pretty successful so far now they've won four shootouts. Therefore, no, knowing the shootout, we talked about that with buffalo. Right. So I mean, that's a plus they've found ways to win those games you take those points away. Just take those four points away and the Rangers now moved from fourth in the metro to near the bottom right there with Philly. So. For me. I think that the, you know, the Rangers are gotta kinda go maybe week to week from a managerial standpoint, they're going to watch their kids. They have in Hartford. They're going to watch the kids they have playing in all over the globe. Whether it be in Europe or in the in the junior leagues and North America. They're gonna keep intending to watch and see how they feel about Kevin Hayes going forward. And what offers may come for Kevin Hayes. I think if you get a good offer for Kevin Hayes. I think you move if you don't get a good offer for Kevin Hayes, then you'd probably sign them. And and you move forward. But you know, I think in the case of of zuccarello. I don't know if there's gonna be a big market for for zuccarello'll. If there is a deal Jimmy made. I think it's the same thing. I think the Rangers are looking at continuing to get younger fast better. So that's the way I would do. Now, you see the numbers game for me is all right? Let's say you traded now, they don't have an appetite to trade picks. That's why you sent the letter out last year. Right. And we're not even a year removed from that. So unless you're going to do a Spooner for Strom, which they did which is let's see if I can take a chance on a player that hasn't really clicked the two places. He's been any veteran you bring in. Gonna take somebody's job. Right. So you don't want them to take one of the kids jobs, and then you defeating your own purpose? Right. I mean, the idea is to let the kids play if I'm going to go out and get a center that's going to play on the fourth line and make Leah's Anderson sit than than what am I doing? He'd like. So I'm gonna bring in a veteran to help the kids the kids got to play. So what veteran of my benching? Exactly. I mean, I think I look at it this way, if as a one of those this is what I say when I say, they go, you know, manageable. Look how to week to week if we get into February and the Rangers go on a great run. And they and they are just playing really, well, then I would think that the Rangers would look at it and say, okay, there's someone out there that we could add to this group that can help us even better. We we just come together beyond our wildest dream. Right. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think that they're going to bounce around back where they are. You know in one day out the next 'cause they have goals. We've got a pretty good group. And the guys have really responded to David Quinn has done an excellent job. So I think again like people have Kevin Hayes. Kevin Hayes has been a good player for them. You watch the Rangers on a pretty much game to game basis. So you would have probably have more of a p than than I would. But by feeling this. If you something Kevin Hayes to like a six year deal, and he doesn't perform it that higher level. You know, now, you're stuck with his contract. So I think for me if somebody came in, and we'll give you a really good prospect and high pick for Kevin Hayes. I'm probably making that field because I think that the raiders future is. Is the younger guys they and their group the guys that aren't even there yet. You know? That's what that's what's going to be the thing that gets the Rangers to the next level. So I think that's where the Rangers will be with Kevin Hayes. I think that they like him. He's played. Well, they wanted to continue to play. Well, and you know, what if the offers there to do something they'll I think they'll do it. And if the offers and there, then they'll resigning him, I agree with you. Let's close it out with Tom wish to say happy thanksgiving. Same to him. Could you see the NHL coming up with a compensation formula similar to the NFL for free agents? For example, the Pinera inside a big deal with someone else next July. Columbus gets draft pick thoughts. Well, I mean. I guess something. Like that is you know, you then you have to determine okay, it's like a special pick. So what number picked you don't think it's fair to the teams that you know, in drafting before they have to slide back one to accommodate a team that couldn't sign a free agent. They knew going into it. What was happening? Yeah. There are cases where teams get those you know can compensatory draft picks. They get added to the draft, you know? But I I would say that the, you know, I'm not I don't think it's something that's an urgent thing for me for the NHL because you know, the covers you have time to make it to dry, and if they choose not to make a decision, why should they get anything for it? You know? So I mean, that's just the way it works. And I don't I don't have a big problem with the way the system works. Now. I think it's incumbent on the on management group. So the individual seems to make decisions that are best going to impact their chances stuff success. All squeeze one more Jake says, what division do you think has been? Best. So far, the Atlantic of the central. That's a good question. Because you don't want the Atlantic. I was like the dog division last year. It was so bad. And I thought it was going to be pretty easy to handicap again this year, and it's been much better. I mean, you know, Florida's been the surprise just with not playing well now, they have another injury rebuttal Lago. So they might be kissing the playoffs. Goodbye. I thought they'd be a team that could get into the team, but they've got a pretty bad injury. And you know, losing tro check. And now they lose Longo again. And I don't think longer with James rivalries, really the answer. So Ottawa has been entertaining. Although there you just go for ton of goals, and they're rebuilding Detroit. One thing out there defensive back. I mean, they've been a much different team in the last month. And they were the first month Montreal has been very competitive. They put Carl also on waivers today. That's one for you. I mean, they just signed last summer or two summers ago. And he's got a. Five year deal at four point six to five million. So I guess they're going to be eating that money in the minors. I don't think anybody's gonna pick him up off waivers bosses had a lot of injuries buffalo. We talked about camping Toronto or elite teams. I I would probably have a whole central probably the bend the better division. You know, Saint Louis bottomed out Chicago hasn't been as good, but they're really strong when you think of Nashville Minnesota, Colorado wind up back at the top and Dallas is they're pretty good. So maybe marginally they've been they've been the better division but land asthma surprised this year because some of the team even though they may not be winning as much there have been much more competitive. Yeah. There's no question. EJ? Thank you so much with us. All the information. We'll talk to you next week. All right. You got it done. Always budgets are. That's the great EJ Radic joins us every Monday when he can. And when I can fit him in my busy schedule to have you want more EJ and h L network NHL now Monday through Friday between the hours of four and six PM eastern time. Let's take a look at the slate of games tonight. There are five of them at seven. O'clock. The Bruins will be in Toronto to take on the police. Always a fun rivalry Toronto with their six nothing victory back on Saturday. And Bo Boston, of course with their nice win. They blew it to nothing lead in the third period against Montreal. But eventually did win the game. They're banged up on the blue line for sure but trying to revive at thirteen six and four all the leaves have been great at sixteen eight and oh devils continue their Florida swing? They'll be in sunrise to take on the Panthers. You're EJ talking about again. Roberto Longo is heard devils now back under anti Joel five hundred after getting blitzkrieg in Tampa last night capitals and the islanders from the from Brooklyn from Barclay center at twelve eight and two islanders squad coming off a win over Carolina while the capitals taking care of the Rangers on Saturday. Speaking of the Rangers, he'll be hockey fights cancer night Madison Square Garden, as they will take on the Ottawa Senators and at seven thirty tonight, it'll be the blue jackets and the Red Wings from Detroit as things really heating up right now in the metropolitan division. So close the metro right now Washington back where they probably feel they belong all along the Stanley Cup champions twenty nine points Columbus with twenty eight points in the twenty six are the top teams in Rangers. Now two game losing streak by themselves on the outside looking in. But it's still so close because the islanders and the Rangers are actually tied in points with twenty six with the Rangers played two more games. So the Rangers with their home and home against Ottawa tonight at Madison Square Garden Thursday up and Ottawa chance for maybe the Rangers. At least they have to feel like they're the better team and could win those two games to get back on track before they go to Montreal coming up on Saturday. But you know, what the Rangers thought they were the better team a couple of years ago in the playoffs. They got beaten six games. So that's why I gotta pay close attention to these games. It's always fun back with again tomorrow recap the games, and we'll go over would be a full slate of games coming up on Tuesday. Thanks again to EJ Radic. We'll talk again tomorrow. This was the Monday edition of gay misconduct. Listening to the game misconduct. Five cats. Looking for more dumb? You're on the Michael Caine show weekdays from three to seven PM on ninety eight point seven ESPN, a New York worldwide on the ESPN app. I don't forget to subscribe to the game misconduct podcast on the ESPN app. Google play music. Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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Bill Clement - ex-NHLer & Hockey Broadcaster

The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

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Bill Clement - ex-NHLer & Hockey Broadcaster

"From the north beat podcast company in partnership with tsn. Welcome to episode nine and season two of the ranger eggs hockey podcast episode nine. We begin with heavy hearts. And we record the podcast in tribute to the many terrific broadcasting's colleagues are good friends. Who have lost their jobs in the past week. Plus our industry like so many others facing challenges because of global pandemic but truly truly. This has been heart-wrenching for all those who've lost their livelihood but those of us who call these people friends and work closely with so many of them over the years yesterday while really the last couple of weeks have been pretty tough in our industry and in particular for for tsn. The people that that of course we know best and On on tuesday there was a massive adjustment or layoff. Whatever you wanna call it a across the radio network in in particular for you know on a personal note that the station in vancouver the team ten forty which was which was shuttered I've worked some of these people almost on a daily basis for nineteen years and adjust as you say just We feel terrible. It's disheartening and and Just wanted to acknowledge so so many great people that that terrible news yesterday now and not. Everybody's going to find employment in our industry but there's so much talent now on the sidelines that i'm confident in saying a lot of those men and women most definitely are going to find. Their way may not feel like this week because it's so raw but talent always find a way to come back into play. We've speaking of talent. We've got bill coleman who in our sport. Nhl is one of the great talents. Both on an on off the ice coming up on on the podcast and you'll i had a lot of time for built especially now later stages of his life is he'll talk about in the interview which we prerecorded lives with his wife. Cissy in the blue ridge mountains right. Here's a guy who spent the majority of his adult life in philadelphia and had this freedom his vision he'll discuss with us. You know but moving to the mountains. He wanted to have that great view. I mean you'll before we started rolling. He's talking about you. Know messing with black bears and cutting trees and doing all of these things. That i would think when i think of bill clinton and the acting and hockey playing and the broadcast. I think this city's liquor from the united states. I don't play. Give a guy drinking moonshine in the blue ridge. Mountains you know. That's that's quite a twist quite a turn but what storyteller as had incredible life experience through plan with the broad street bullies and in the nineteen seventies with the philadelphia flyers and getting into an acting career and then broadcast career. And i was fortunate enough to work with them for quite a while. Actually but in particular the two thousand six olympics in torino and And with nbc. Sports when the nbc. I got the the national hockey package and He's a good man is a great storyteller and it is an entertaining Thirty five minutes you. But we've lots of gross in terms of the headlines made their way in the nhl this week. I mean just some some interesting stories. Some terrific hockey play as well. And then some boardrooms stuff as well. So we'll get to that now. Headlines this week presented by our friends at lagaras dot com jewelers. Valentine's day is now just days away rate days away of the milestone. you've got valentine's day get online and do your shopping. Why gotta get going. Because today's the tenth. And i've done nothing. I've bought a card. Don't say one i did how. That's a good effort. I gotta get out and get back while you don't my my small items will my small not a got lagaras dot com yet but a small item was a was a block of lint milk chocolate i go what holly for cami i go. Africom for drinks and cami would get a block of chocolate with a portion eaten out of it. I can't even go get that until the thirteenth or else. I'm gonna need it before then if you're driving home you're staring at the fire Maybe just again headlines brought to you by your pals lagaras dot com jewelers. Get something knows she or ear. Gonna lov so do valentine's day upright remember use code raid ten at checkout. And if you do that you'll get ten percents off. Select regularly priced item sets lagaras dot com jewelers. The pittsburgh penguins making some big office news this weekend up. I think it's fair to say most of us who follow the league closely weren't even a little bit surprised at ron. Hextall landed as general manager. We we've been following the story closely. Knew that he was a top candidate. Brian berg film my man that one came out of left field. And i remember the conversation with with pierre. Lebrun on against it was monday night. Yeah it was monday night at ten o'clock and pursuing cheese. Here's a weird name. That just surfaced brian burke but i mean cone of silence. I mean it was in the vault with all of our first Sources associated the penguins. So there was inclination burkey involved but they get that one pretty tight under wraps. Are you all intrigued. To see all those two guys are going to be able to work together. Birkin and hack say no not. Yes but i'm not thinking that it's a problem. The reason the reason. I don't is burkey sixty five years old. He's been through these wars several times and several times over. The the director of hockey operations has to understand that. Eventually the decision has to be made by the general manager. Otherwise you're general manager. And i've known ron hextall since we were nineteen years old and heck would not taking this job If if burke berkey was pulling the strings and he was just the guy sitting in a suit and the general managers box. That's that's just not wrong way. And so i don't think they'll be. I mean will they have disagreements on players. Of course will they but i don't think their view of what they have to do going forward can be two different otherwise. The penguins wouldn't have hired two guys that are going to butt heads three weeks. That makes no sense so it what's interesting. You know sexy. Everybody knows them. It's his fiery player. he's really calm. Really methodical really soft. Spoken burke's bomb basket bombastic. And he makes all these proclamations and he's got a great command of the language and if he doesn't have to go talk to the press he'll be just fine for he wants to get to work. And that's that's the ron hextall that i know and the are getting and their fan. Base is getting a an unbiased right. Because because i have known him so long but they're getting a a determined Strategic methodical leader and he he will plug away at the issues. That are right down the road and some of them might not be that easy but he's not going to be scurrying around like with a no plan plan. That is not sexy okay. So last week we talked to vote the direction of the pittsburgh things right and i use the word renovation. You quickly jumped in and correct means now. There's no such thing. You're not renovating your rebuild. Now you're speaking in general terms who work solely identifying the pittsburgh penguins. What worked for me. Isn't going into pittsburgh in any capacity other than wanting to chase another stanley cup within the next two to three years. So is that doable with their current roster and the challenges that you faced in trying to improve that roster in covid nineteen salt lake haxhi can pick up the phone unless he's dangling an unbelievable piece and you can take speculation on that front any direction you want but how difficult is going to be to improve that roster to a point where they can be a stanley cup contender in the next two three years. I think it's really difficult. They don't have a goal that you would say as a stanley cup caliber. Goaltender their defenses. You're gonna assume they're gonna get healthier at some point but their defense doesn't look like you know you don't have a thirty year old. Chris pain who can play twenty seven minutes a game member when they won the stanley cup when they beat new jersey tank played the entire series. Yes i know. They got great played from brian. dumoulin and You know in some underrated players. Perhaps on that blue line but ladainian played the whole game. They don't have that anymore. They're they're forward. Group is thin thinner than it would have to be. I don't know how you're correcting all of that. Under the parameter that you just gave the cap is flat at eighty one five and it's not going anywhere for the next couple of years and then you've got no draft picks really speak about to trade for collateral so i think if if they feel they can make this run. One of those big pieces has to move has to bring back futures that you can move to make the team better today. The problem is one of those big pieces. Of course we're talking about three guys is tang malcolm crosby de-uh acquiring team. They have to clear that cap space to now. So you can't trade one of those players for two first rounders and a young prospect and because the other teams gotta give you money back now and so. I think that's where the the great challenge lies if there and clearly they're looking at more immediate than future but if you're looking immediate that's the challenge for me now big week in columbus. Let's let's start with meek okoye right just a terrific. Nhl player over the span of his career. Seven games of the season and he announced his automatically. Because of the patrick client a situation which will also talk about you. Think that okay. Well towards scott i mean. That's that's how most people think. I thought well number one. That's not true but number two. I thought that it was it was terrific. That came out very quickly in his retirement speech and said i just couldn't get to a level of game where i felt like not only. Could i help my teammates. But i wouldn't be a deterrent to the outcome of the game. I mean when you feel that way as a veteran player. It's time to call it right regardless of you've started the season or you've ended the season while i'll tell you i say this quite often. There's a point in your career where you feel great. The season ends you. Go away you train in the offseason. You come back and you're like. I don't know where my legs are gone. Father time is decided. That's it for you zip. they're gone. I had seventy six points when i was thirty. Seven years old. Had a great year played with andrew. Brunette donald audette twenty nine goals like had a great year. Came back in the offseason drained. Hard and a little problem with my knee had to get a quick little scope done started. I scored my four hundred school. Which was my sixth goal of the year in december while like all of a sudden it was gone. And then you start asking yourself. You're lying in bed in your like. Can i even do this anymore. Because it's not like you walk in with your briefcase into the office you walk in you go to practice. You get bounced around now. You don't feel good. You can't practice well you can't be on. The ice enough in koivu would has had major knee surgery in the last two years. You don't just come back from that at thirty five thirty six thirty seven years old and so when he retired i was surprised. I guess but really i wasn't. He has a very high standard. Like i guess most players do but he's got a very high standard He had a terrific career. A really workmanlike career a leader and i think it kind of speaks to his leadership a little bit that he said you know what. I just can't do this anymore. And i'm not going to do this half ass. It's time to go. Yeah congratulations to me. Go koi for as you say a terrific. nhl career unfortunately overshadowed by the bigger story columbus. Patrick lyon benching. But john tortorella on monday. I mean we're talking about it nationally. Right i mean yourself. Knee craig button. James did a panel vote battering lyonnaise benching and we talked about it on tuesday but laura information has surfaced. Since we did that al and maybe our position our views would have changed. Had we known you know what was going on behind the scenes but good reporting work by brian hepburn. Airports line in columbus Uncovering the fact that there was something. I guess we call it office That that happened here. That led to john zarrella making decision to bench paragliding in that game with six something left in the second period. He sat for the remainder of the third in the allegations suggest. That piper line made a disrespectful comment to a member of the staff. Maybe an assistant coach. I think that's what's being reported. That makes more sense to me. Now ray because the one thing that i took away from the post game after the benching was john tortorella emphatically said it was a combination on ice off ice and he said i'm not going to take you into the dressing right so he clearly said he pulled us. Something had happened. We just didn't know what the something was. And now we know that it could have been a quick exchange but it was stumping. Patrick lining said to a coach or a member of the staff. That john didn't like was disrespectful. Does that make more sense to you now. In the bigger picture why. John tortorella would bench this kid. Just four games into his time with the columbus blue jackets wall for sure. It does drake's like in that panel. You know my perspective was four games. It's too quick to be benching a player but tortorella and again this is before we knew any of this other information puerto rico would be setting the parameters for what is and is not acceptable in columbus. It doesn't matter what the parameters were in winnipeg with paul. Maurice doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that line scored forty goals there. None of that stuff matters here. You are in columbus. this is what matters. This is the way we do things so to me. The parameters were being set in that regard not knowing anything about whatever the exchange was with the coach and they they happen Right there you know your emotional at times on the bench and things get said whatever it was. They deemed it enough that you needed to set now. They didn't they didn't talk on tuesday apparently because at an off day. So we'll get to it today. Which is wednesday. And i'm sure they'll be a discussion and then you go forward but it's it. Was you know there was a pretty good onslaught on on twitter. Rela who who is polarizing guy and someone to in full disclosure that we like that. I like john and it's funny. Don't get many of his players saying even after they're gone you don't get many of them saying how terribly he treated him. They say he's hard. Yeah they say he's tough. But i mean the way we all. We're all guilty of the quick reaction. Quick quick peek and the fact of the matter is there's more to this story no question. A developing story is the play of massey's of the toronto maple leafs and scoring prowess that is best known for him. You know the leaves play tonight as we record eight game goal scoring streak eight games. He scored eleven times in twelve games. And i'm no mathematician. But i can divide right so two hundred ninety. Four games played record episode nine of season to one hundred and sixty nine goals austin matthews raised scored in fifty seven and a half percent of the act job games that he's played into this point in his career while the goal scored against vancouver in their last game. I think he's emblematic of a guy. It's it's just an elite level score in the reason. I say that he didn't play particularly well. He didn't have a great night. He got one really great chance and he didn't miss. He doesn't need multiple shots score. He needs the puck when it's on his stick it's in a dangerous place for the other team the goalscoring is astounding to be eight games in a row is really quite remarkable right like that just doesn't happen unless you're in junior. I've never seen him play this way before. Though like i think he is drake's i think he has played at a level that is greater than at any point in his nhl career. From you know there's always this talk and you know mike babcock set it at one time. I think he can be the best two hundred foot player in the game and now you watch the way uses his body the way that he pushes people off the top off the puck uses. His quickness is speed is seems a little a little quicker. he's like the goal. He scored against vancouver when he put the puck to chatfield stick skates. I like the reaction and speed of that play. Look different to me. i think he's he's a legit. Mvp candidate and i don't you know i know there's people say oh you know toronto bias and all that bullshit but there's there's no way you can't look at the way he's playing and so he has to be in that conversation now. Agreed pierre loop new blah was released from exile in quarantine in a few days ago and top spot for him to be in right like you're you're doing zoom workouts near riding a bike and all that stuff before you're allowed to go to the rink and at least practice. Once with the jets made is debut with winnipeg jets last night. I don't know that we should have expected a whole lot. Of wouldn't have been fair to expect him to have a dynamic debut with winnipeg jets. But you did that. Game with with the grew in winnipeg. What were your thoughts in his first game. He looked like he'd been doing zoom workouts and riding a bike for two weeks. Like how are you gonna play. Well like his his first shift. I want to say he was out there. Twenty seconds you know like he's just not even close to bang and off the rust yet you know like he's like paul maurice who has a great take on a lot of things he said. Look i'm not even really gonna watch him very closely tonight. I'm not gonna talk to a lot on the bench. Still let him play and they made know. They flipped some lines around. They started trevor lewis with them. They ended up with base and appleton their kyle. Connor was on the left side. That's not where he's going to play but they're not gonna play him in a position where he doesn't the system he doesn't know right l. I remember getting traded and dubois would be the same. Even though you've played against these guys you don't even know their names. No we're on the ice lots of times. You're on the ice. You look at a player and you just know who it is by the way they're skating like you know who you're on the ice with every once in a while you get on the ice with somebody. You're not familiar with any go. What the hell's he doing out here or maybe they're saying that about me but dubois wouldn't have any of that. Everybody would have looked like a stranger to him last night and they got the first one out of the way and calgary with a late goal wins in a really good hockey game and so they play their four game. Set when a pay. Got five points. Calgary got four points and and both do blind. Those teams move on all right. We're gonna wrap up headlines and this a bit of a curve ball for you but the vancouver tonight you know. There's so much he on. Jim benning maybe travis to some degree i. I don't buy into the lame duck theory because he's in the final year of his coaching contract. I never have put a lot of stock in that you can. You can debate that. Because i'm sure you've been in rooms. Where the coach was in the final year of his contract. But i'm wondering why don't we pay more attention to the schedule. You'll the fact that this new team relatively young has had what maybe three four practices. Since the start of the year they played sixteen games in twenty six days which is way more than other. Nhl teams no training camp or very short training. Camp and guys are just dead tired. That's the way it looked to me of late. But yet we collectively in the media while spendings fault. Or you know travis. He's tuned him out or any of that stuff. I i guess. I'm not trying to be critical my colleagues but i'll ask it this way. Are we overlooking the obvious and the obvious. They've got a ridiculous schedule that they've just come through and travis staff haven't had the opportunity that they normally have to work with what is a relatively new group. That the reason we we overlook it is because it's the dull story. It feels like an excuse it. You're like well you got the games play. The games win the games. The fact is they are run into the ground. But there's also a fact that it's not a it's not a team that is constructed very well. They're obvious holes there. And i think that's where the the heat flies towards banning. He's in his seventh year. And all of a sudden you've got four draft picks from your seven years playing on your team it's top-heavy those top guys have to play well and and by not being well-constructed team you have to play them so much that there's probably diminishing returns and so i think that's why the practice stuff gets pushed to the back but it is a factor. There's no question. It is a factor there. They're wiped out. They're tired and they need to practice. That can help them and should help them but during during a top spot now against say one thing we touched on it at the start here about the day our business had yesterday with you know i in particular off from my experience the vancouver radio station that was was closed Travis green reached out to a number of members of the vancouver media yesterday to offer his thoughts and say thank you for for their work in their interactions and by the way the vancouver market is not an easy one. It's not like they were all saying. Hey travis show the best coach all the time. I thought it showed a lot of empathy and consideration for travis to do that no question headlines this week is always brought to you by the garowe dot com jewellers. Our interview today with bill is brought to you by our pals at kubat dot. Co chris from cool that will join us in a bit to recap super bowl. Fifty five also talk about nhl odds and some other things he he's got a segment on curling. 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On the ranger eggs podcast. How're things north carolina. Where you just can't beat heat off. I know and i know this at times of the season. I need my deep woods off here in the mountains of north carolina but it's distort mosquito season so it's not too bad. How many years ago is that. So i'm googling this morning of course that's what we have to do now right and i mean you're still an attractive man. I'm comfortable enough of my own masculinity to save that bud shirtless. At that time was i was aggressive. That was putting yourself out there. How many years ago are we talking. Here we'll just for the record. The i shot the first one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and i had to fly to florida. Shoot it overnight in the everglades between a tuesday and thursday. Espn game the rangers and the flyers were in the playoffs. And i landed the job. I auditioned in new york. And i had to fly to florida to do it so it was a real tough turnaround right game in philly on tuesday night shooting in the everglades all night on wednesday night in the game in new york typical. You know playoffs schedule. You guys can relate to that so that was one thousand nine hundred seven. There were ten thousand mosquitoes in the tent. I had a pair of shorts on and pair boots. And that was it and they re shot it in two thousand and three and this time they put a forty thousand mosquitoes and biting flies. The repellent had had had developed to such a degree. That i was safe no matter which way i went and i jokingly tell people that i was in the tent with people said you really get into tent with all those mosquitoes and biting flies which just a pair of shorts on and my answer was always the same for the amount of money they paid me would have gotten in naked eye naked. Now when you went and scooted to do the commercial bill did. Did you tell anybody or that. One of those ones where he just went dashed out dodge back. No i actually talked it over with the late. Bruce connell who tragically passed away a few years ago. He was our producer. Any said you gotta do what you gotta do. Man is a big hit. I mean i was a fulltime actor at that time and it just started with. Espn pretty well. Eighty six eighty seven And the broadcasting. Things started to started to take more and more of my time but i still was able to make this one audition and i ended up. I'm glad i did over a period of about seven years. I just kept getting checks that megan about one hundred and eighty thousand dollars for that one day in florida. Yeah jack just kept coming. And i love this world country this all as a dollar for every mosquito bite is our was something you know what they wanted me to They said to me when i arrived and met everybody in florida. They said you know we're going to ask you to sign an affidavit when you're done saying that you didn't get bit by anything. Can i give that to me now. And i signed it in the afternoon right and that night in the everglades. I got bit twice. They put mosquitoes and biting flies. Flies that take a chunk out of you and one got me and one of my moves was getting up and down off this caught Grabbing this buzzing box full of mosquitoes shaking it and i wiped the repellent off the back of my leg. So one bit me on the back of my leg so i got bit twice in both of those sessions. That was it. And i'm glad. I signed the affidavit before you know before i man. You're not man how i'm devious. That's why i wanted to sign it before. Shoot billy how did you get from how what ruled took it from a player to an actor personal corporate bankruptcy actually i got into the restaurant franchising business. Grandma lease bakery delis in canada. Were looking to expand to the us and my retirement kind of took me by surprise. I walked in and sat down across cliff. Fletcher and cliff was our gm in calgary and he made all kinds of changes to our roster that summer and i talked to him every two weeks of cliff. Where am i in all of this. Y'all you're fine. you're fine bob. Johnson was coming into coach. Flame so l. Mcneil was gone. Finally and i was. I had a party. When i found out that alma veal got fired and bob johnson was coming in and i was so i was in the best shape of my life so i walked in two weeks before camp and sat down with cliff fletcher and jokingly i said 'cause cliff you didn't make conversation all that easily in and was in social butterfly but said so cliff still part of the organization and he looked back at me across his desk and said no. You're not we're phasing you out. All his how. We put it and i went. You're what he said. Were facing you out and could have gone. I had one year left on my deal. I could've gone hartford or new jersey to finish that last year. They were interested. But then i thought maybe i won't get a deal after that i played my eleven years in the nhl. I was thirty one And i thought. Wow if i retire what i'm gonna do so. I acquired the rights for georgia tennessee in alabama for grammy's bakery and deli and the plan was going to be open up a pilot store in atlanta and sell franchises based on the great success of the pilot store. And then eventually sort of gallup off into the restaurant franchising sunset. It didn't quite work that way atlanta. I hadn't i had not done enough research to realize that. Atlanta had more food and beverage establishments per capita than any city north america and everybody was looking to open up in number twos for four or five and i'm coming in no restaurant experience no knowledge of this franchise in atlanta but i finally opened up a store and i did it with a lot of infringe money. Investors money ahead limited partnership and after a year and a half. I ended up closing the doors. And i can honestly say the was the darkest time in my life because i fell into these this these gorgeous of depression and the hardest phone calls. I've ever had to make where the phone calls to investors who i. I knew them all telling them that their money was gone and not only was their money gone but all of my money was gone so i thought what in the world am i gonna do now and i'd actually realize when i had five real estate agents looking for the right location that i'd gone a year without a paycheck and i didn't i went my god. I haven't had a paycheck in a year. That didn't sit well with me. I grew up in a family. That work really hard. You know. we put on the table all that stuff. I thought what can i do. That might be financially rewarding that i might have an aptitude for. That isn't all that time. Consuming and i thought i think i can do commercials. I see some of these guys on. tv i'm going to try it. But atlanta was really competitive in their agents late new york agents. Yeah this sort of slide your picture under the door but i had an in curt bennett. Who i played with the famous bennett brothers. There were five of them. The played harvey play billy played. Kurt's wife susan bennett. Who interestingly enough. About ten years ago. I was reading an article in usa. Today was the voice of siri and almost entertainer in an actress and she got me. Go see with two agents in atlanta. I said this it will get a headshot done and we'll send you out on some auditions. So i actually landed a couple of decent commercials while i was waiting for the restaurant to open so that was all i knew when the restaurant closed and i decided to as high a level as could and i started i enrolled in every acting class i could get in the alliance theatre school in and god pretty good at it and ended up moving to new york and doing pretty well. There and a phone rang one day and it was espn saying. Would you like to audition for job as color analyst. And i'm here to tell you that when you have to audition for your lunch and your rent every week every month every quarter. It's hard it's it's that's pressure to me and i thought a regular paycheck sounded pretty good so i said what is your audition consist of and they said life game on the air so myself and four other guys i think. Jd was one of the john davidson. They gave me a game in chicago. A minnesota north stars chicago blackhawks. And i won the audition and my broadcast career was launched but that that inbetween part going from hockey to acting. There's a there's a a real important part of my life. Because i i wouldn't have been as successful as i ended up being without that complete ruin. I really believe that. All i learned so much and it was so hard but it it gave me the strength. And i think a little bit of the calluses. And i don't know the determination to make it back but it was hard bill. We'll get a little later into this a little later on. Where were we start. Where i got to work with you. But one thing that I noticed as we work. And i'm just listening to you. Tell that story is that you always had a okay. This is our this is what we have to do. This is how we have to figure it out okay. We don't have this answer. Let's find this answer. Was that board of your hockey career or was that born out of that time. I think i think we're all products of histories. And i think i'm i'm a product of my mom and dad and there were issues in our upbringing and family and i always saw my dad a problem solve and and have a plan and no matter what i've done in my life i find myself saying okay. Wait a minute. i don't feel right until i have some of the need some foundation here for what's going on and I think that's something that i learned from my parents how to how to problem solve How to navigate certain situations that might not be all that enjoyable to navigate And it's funny that game that i did for. Espn the audition. The first thing. I needed to know from them because i hadn't done tv. I did. A couple of games with doc emrick when he was Doing some devils game sway back then in the mid eighties and the first thing i asked the guys. Espn scotty connell. Who is bruce's dad. And he hired me. I said who do you want me to be like what what do you. What do you expect from your analysts for hockey game. And he said this simple he said we want you to educate the uneducated without offending the educated. So in other words you couldn't dumb it down at communicate certain things about the game almost in disguise so that novice hockey fans could understand it but people have watched hockey all. The time. didn't think that i was talking down to them and then always have you have a plan for everything. Don't you don't feel right if i don't have a plan for houses going to go. What are we going to do. what do you want. What's expected. And i drive people crazy with it as you know from having worked with me all bad always bad always always well. It's funny. You had that advice. I'm sitting on the set at. Espn one night during the nhl tonight. With bushy and again somebody comes down and says Yeah we need to dallas to do a game tomorrow. And i said why i've never i don't even know what to do. Bill drake's i felt sweat pouring out of my arms from my elbows to my ribs as i sat there. So the only guy. I really had a number for that time. Was there in paying. So i call hanger like a pinger. What do i do like harvey be easy. You're right will be glass for get a couple of notes and all the guidelines he's just going on and on and on and i'm like okay so i go to work with the late. Great date straighter and street. Says what he want to do in the open. And i said i don't know what's the open i. What's an open idea. No idea so my advice came from bangor. Yours from from the cardinals. Probably you're probably a little little ahead of the game at the time. Yeah was speaking of sweat. You mentioned sweat right. You start to sweat in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven the the. Us olympic team. The national team played two games against traveling russian all stars and it was televised by somebody package did. I don't even know what network is on. But i work a game with al michaels was like wow and al had not worked in called a game since the the gold medal. Game the miracle on ice in nineteen eighty. So al says to me look be as active as you want jump in all the time you know go and do. Your thing said fine so the night before the game. Bruce connell was our producer. He gained him in his look. Mike was supposed to be our host and he was going to do all of the interviews between periods. All that stuff right down in one of the locker rooms but he said he's he. He got a better offer so he's not coming. Can you run down. Mikey mike rosie. O'neil has guest. Oh wait a minute. I got a better offer. I can't make it so he said. Can you run down and do the interviews. I was scared to death to do interviews. I'm brand new in the booth right but you know i'm just idiot idiot. Yo sure i can do it. No problem so i got an interview. We picked jill lavar and tony granato was the. Us olympic team was going to play so questions in my head right the whole first period. I hardly said three words. Poor al michaels. I'm thinking about the interviews. How do i get into them. How do i get out of them right. So i'm going to start with tony. Granato hate this. We're we're with tony granato What's the kid from downers grove illinois doing the olympic program. That doesn't seem like it's at hockey. So i'm down there. I sit down and run and go here. Will tony granato tony. What's the kid from from Well i'm dying on television donny. Why don't you tell me where you're from. And he says from downers grove. So i get started and now i'm completely panicked. I i somehow get through the interview. Now it's time for highlights. I didn't know the difference between having one tape machine and two tape machines right to tape machines you cross role you show. The one highlight the other ones ready to go. You go right into the second highlight. They're chewing up. The other third highlight on the first date machine. We had one tape machine. I'm looking down. I call the. I highlight and bruises bruce sesame. Look up look up. While i knew there were two more highlights to come. So i don't know what Look up look up. And i've had right trying to get through it and he says okay second replay. I looked down. And i'm thinking. Oh my god. Is this happen again. look up. Look up look up. So i gotta look up and fill for another twenty seconds right now by this time. Sweat is dripping off. It's literally dripping off by knows a look like albert brooks broadcast news. And and bruce will female stage manager and bruce's yelling. He doesn't realize he's got mikey. Press down with hers so he's yelling at her get a towel and wipe offi looks. Fm terrible but he say f. He's he screaming terrible. Get a towel and wipe them off. And i'm just trying to survive to get out of this locker room and get back upstairs. And i had to go down and do it again in the second intermission. I call my wife after that game and said i think my broadcast career just ended tonight. Oh my god. When you mentioned having sweat dripped off. Your nose petrified. Oh my god dare you ever dare and you seem like you were born just to sit there and schmooze and nothing would ever rattle you. You ever have any of those crossroads moments one. that comes to mind instantly was when. Tsn hosted the draft. Ray i don't know if you were there for this But i'm on the floor. James is hosting from said word. Miller bob mackenzie. The group are up on stage and so they're throwing me. I dot the is coming to set the scene here. seventeen trades. That are likely going to happen. While as he's influencing the show is about to throw to me. I mean we haven't been around each other a whole lot the broadcast world. I clear my throat and cough at thousand times during a game. That's just by nervous thing. So i can feel my throat starting twitching as throwing to me. So he throws me on the set. The scene on some of the bigger deals that we expect apple. Let's go down to the floor. With the darren dreger greg's unlike things dad clue me and he and i i can't talk i gotta stop in a clear and i can't clear my throat so try again on like good and so he cuts in thankfully he's ever produced the billy dodds center. Mark me on the trucker whatever. Just say you know. James you have to take it. So james says well. Obviously darren is experiencing some technical difficulties. Those about one for me but he really so long before you're a broadcaster and actor you're a character with one of the most fearsome teams of all time. Yeah the the broad street bullies of the early seventies basically took the game hockey dumping on its ear. And we're going to chase people around and scare the living daylights out of them while having a bunch of good players. Yeah could you see that happening as it was gone or just all of a sudden. Become the broad street bullies I it really started to to take a a true shape. When chelsea arrived when dave schultz came to the team schultz he. And i turn pro together in nineteen seventy played a year in quebec than we both started the next season with. Don celeski In richmond virginia because of quebec as has moved to richmond and became the richmond. Robins and i got called up first. And then later that season she got called up and by that time. Schultz was the terror of the of the american hockey league He was the baddest the toughest all of those things and he soon became known in the nhl. So with with bob. The hound kelly who was a third round pick the year. I was drafted as a second round pick. Kelly made it right away. Out of junior said to keith allen or general manager said i ain't going to quebec city he said well you better have a damn good training camp then going to quebec city and the hound replaced by a guy named earl haskell. Who was the tough guy for the flyers and the hound was pretty tough out later that season when she was already there. We got most dupont Who was a a rock. I mean moose was. He played hard. We had guys that were really dirty players. Like eddie van and clark that that would use their sticks to intimidate I would let little side note here. I had players that we played against over the years. Say you know one thing. I didn't respect about bobby. Clark was he always asked other guys to do is fighting for him and what they didn't understand is that that wasn't true. The players that that fought for clarke's just did it instinctively he was. I can't imagine that there's ever been anybody that's been. That's a better leader than bobby. Clark was lead. By example. he was tough. He would have fought to the death but he was so revered as a leader that oliver tough guys jumped him to protect him. All the time and years later i was studying a bit of the civil war and I i read an article about how when robert lead leading the confederate army tried to lead his troops into battle. His men would stand around his horse on the infantryman on foot with turn his horse round. Escort him to the back of the lines to protect him to keep him there. And that's basically the way it was with with the guys fighting for. Bobby clark time So the one thing we did was we stuck together. And i wasn't a fighter. I had my one fighter year. Let anybody know that. I was willing to do it right. That's and you always wanted an uneven number in your pim's like you know if you wanted to have twenty seven penalty minutes so there's somebody at least know there was a five in there and if you had to fight your shit now i gotta have a third fight so that might not even number damn but So for guys that you know that didn't fight a lot like me. You're in the shit one way or the other. I mean it didn't matter. The benches emptied all the time and it was like a street. Fight was only three cops and twenty different fights going on so it was It was it was pretty powerful to be able to intimidate a lot of teams but it was also intimidating. Like you're in it all. The time it was edgy. Look bre brian lamb. Best line about what. It was like playing in the spectrum. You said we'd pull in and our bus with a montreal. Canadian's pulled down under the spectrum. Too big door would come down behind the bus. So now we're in the spectrum. The bus driver would turn off the bus and it would still be shaking bill. Now you guys used to walk out of your locker room rate down those steps to your bench and onto the ice yes. We came out of our locker room in the visitors. And now i played after you. But the remnants of dave brown and ben wilson and craig berube were still around there. You had to turn left in walk down that curved walkway and come up zamboni door and we'd always want there'd always be some smart ass that would say hey make sure you grab so. And so so he does it drop off into. What are the locker here we were. We were gonna lose guys on the way down there and that from what you guys yeah at spectrum became this most place to play by far in them. It was scary when i had to go back and play because when i got traded away because i played the second year of the washington capitals. We were only a horrible hockey team. We had nobody i. We'd get beat nine two and we just get bludgeoned on the ice. I mean everybody was tougher than we were. I remember going to coach and gm. Milk schmidt was a blend. What a wonderful man he was and i walked into him after a game. I just took my my sweater off With my skates on walked into his office. I said i don't know if you notice what we're noticing but we're getting the shit beat out of us out there. he said. I know i know were close to getting jack. Michael huggins from the flyers. And i said well you know is better than later melt because we're not only getting killed on the scoreboard but look look at our guys you know look a mash unit guys getting a fight this getting killed and hammered but i will tell you something. You talk about coming. Out of your visitor's locker room the spectrum and taking a left and going down around coming on his zamboni that you the visiting teams to come straight down the chute like the flyers do at did at the time but because there were brawls in the hallway arts. What's that would have thought that was a good idea. Let's send them a whole radio together. Well it was a good idea until two or three brawls happened in on a on the concrete up hallway between paul hogan and wayne cashman the ended up putting offense up in between and then they thought. Now there's just reroute them. The other way so that was why you had to go on the zamboni entrance door also. That was an improvement. Supposed to be yet in theory. Eight so in your in your career. What aside from the the the cops would you say like a a takeaway highlight. Because i think i probably know more of your highlight work in five olympics as a broadcaster. You work stanley cup championships. But as a player. Like what like i have a couple of takeaways from mine. What what would be for you. I think one of the greatest team take away. And i only missed the playoffs. Once in my eleven years nanna jovan. That was the very first year that i got called up in philadelphia but boy in atlanta. We have good teams and we couldn't even win a game in those best of threes. You know the first round was a best of three and we lost twice to los angeles wants to. Detroit wants to toronto roger. Neilson was coaching the leafs. So we couldn't get any attraction. But when we went to calgary we had a good team when we got there. We only lost our first year. In calgary was eighty eighty one. We lost five home. Games is all playing the old corral and we had a big strong tough team as well. Willie platt herald philip off there. We had some tough guys. And i think my my greatest thrill as a player was going into philadelphia's. A member of the calgary flames and having to play a game seven after we lost game six in the playoffs on home ice. We had We had them three games to one. Go to philly and we lost game five. We go back to calgary and we lose game. Six now is three street and nobody wins a game seven in the spectrum. Right you you knew that i. I knew that it was the quietest i've ever heard any locker room. We just sat there and we were prepared and we went out and we just played hard and we won four to one could have been nine one and the look on the faces of guys like ken lensman who i couldn't stand a as a player. The rat good. Who could yeah. His look on his face was a look of disorientation lake. He was in this. He was trapped and he didn't know how to get out of it. 'cause they they couldn't find their game man. I heard later from players that we knew saw like paul along on our flight back guys were partying shooting hollering like. It's going to the sticks on the ice but going into philadelphia nineteen eighty-one propelled us to the conference finals win. They're of losing the minnesota. Minnesota was bound to lose to the new york islanders because that was in the islanders of you know dominant days the winning game seven on spectrum. I says a team was a was a huge thrill for me. Because i knew how hard it was built. Were you know. I am thinking through all this time and i i'm thinking about when you know people see things on tv and they don't really know where they come from right you and i along with my wife. Cami worked at the olympics in torino in two thousand and six. So you're we are putting on worthy studio show for the games for all hockey and were their main arena torino. But there's two rene's and we are so far underneath the arena in torino in this concrete slogger ox bunker at one point. I don't know if you remember this but you said to me you go. We're gonna watch some olympic hockey and so we went upstairs. We unhooked all our mics and we went upstairs. We watch. i dunno three minutes of olympic hockey live. We didn't even know what building the games were in. We were so far underground. Yup we hear them. You couldn't hit you over thing now. Cheering whistles no nothing. But what what i to make sure that i say is that in those in those two and a half weeks. We put out an incredible amount of content. But you were so helpful to me. Doing my first event like that to candy. Who should have been on that team but was rather ridiculously released off. Yeah and so. She didn't know anything about television like she'd never been on buffalo and you were so helpful and just can't easy for you it. You know the the leadership thing. I know you're motivational speaking. It comes easy for you. But you're so so good at it and lifting today are going to get probably have a better idea of what you were able to bring broadcasting at with your passion and your knowledge and your ability to communicate. It's it's been really instructive for me. Why can't thank you enough for saying that those are kind words a my my my dad. I really believe wanted to be the guy. The only the only guy with a ladder in our neighborhood so that he could help. Everybody and my mom was like that too. She just wanted to help people. And so i grew up with two people modeling for me On on how to help other so that that part comes naturally. But i have to tell you. This cami was a rookie and she. She's a star. She just gave it everything she had. All all i would have to do is plant an idea like go. Tell us about this and away. She go but but you. And i had the majority of time to kill and fill the renault produce elements. We would end up doing an hour and a half trying to drag people in some the hallway to interview them. Do anything right so day. After day after day we were creating from nothing creating something from nothing and i wrote about this in my book and i don't ever think i got you a copy of it. I mentioned that. 'cause i wanted you to see it because i said you wouldn't believe rape ferraro if you think i help you trust me when i tell you you helped me more than i help you because no matter what i throw at you you would turn it into something substantive it would be something needs. Something would be opinion. It would be something that nobody has thought of. It would be a fresh new information. You know something original which is what we all try to do. Right have an original thought of original angle or slant and you would go for go for a minute. Forty five seconds and it would be great and that would give me a chance to try to load up again to help you so believe me. It was symbiotic. I mean if you i was helping you you were helping me by just So it it worked. And that was. I look back at that. As being in the trenches being in that dungeon being in a bunker the coolest guy was about ninety six degrees fahrenheit right. Remember how we sweated you. Oh my god i do. You remember the tough italian security through the back door the guy sitting at the back in their chair leaning back like this or the third day. They didn't even look at our passes. They're like yeah. Yeah whatever. Just right for your. If you're going down there go ahead and yeah oh jeez. So how's it was north carolina bill. Horr we wrap up. How's life in north carolina. What brought you there. And i read your. You're always with a chainsaw. You've always you're always improving the view. Yeah i love the outdoors. Love working in the woods in the bush of we wanted to. You know. I mean. I knew i was going to retire. At some point. We lived in the philadelphia area in bucks county which was great. Have wonderful friends there. I to live someplace where ahead an incredible view. I've always always said to my wife. Cissy funny we we were. My marriage fell apart. When i filed my personal bankruptcy but as when i started acting i was paired up to read With an actress named sissy callahan As husband and wife repaired up to read on a national blue cross blue shield commercial audition and that was thirty five years ago. And we've been married for almost thirty five years but we started talking about retirement. And i always said sissies. Look if i'm ever incapacitated have a stroke or whatever and i can't talk all i would ask is that you take me someplace where i can see far. I just there's such a piece for me. When i can look off into the distance that doesn't seem to end and i say well i haven't had a stroke yet. I can still see so. Let's go now where we can see far and we have incredible view. Were four thousand feet up on the side of a mountain. It's a gated community. But they're only seventeen homes thirty homes in the community in its massive Don't even know we have neighbors and friends of ours. One day said we're going to asheville north carolina when you come with us. We're thinking of retiring there. That's always started nova period of three years. We kept coming back looking. You know finding the little town that we wanted to live outside of we wanted the amenities we wanted to. View the cost of living's grade. The people are friendly. The pace is slower. Which i i find myself walking slower. And you know in our world guys. That's always deadlines gotta go. Gotta go gotta go right so it was just. It was just time i got. I really got tired of getting on and off airplanes for business. Go to work wound shine. Oh i have a jar. Shine a fridge right now. I'm serious said like a guy. Two guys brought jars of moonshine. One guy has a farm rape bositis. And i helped him yet a buckeye nuts. I don't know if we had the ohio. State buckeyes are named after the buckeye tree. The nuts are beautiful but they're boys so he lost a couple of thousand. I helped them. We were trying to you know trying to help the cows survive over there as it was it was hard work of fifteen hundred pound heffer he he lost an feel the buckeye nuts if they eat them are poison and they just they do all kinds of crazy things so anyway as a as a thank you brought me jar shine and then guys repainting my house. Last week. You said the jar shine. I said you can get shined year shannon. You need boy. So i have. I have a nice jara shine in the in the fridge right now. It's a real thing down here now. Rink shine i assume. Sip-it well i. Yeah you said but Depending on how thirsty why are you can take kind of gulp of it if you want. And the effect almost immediate. I will tell you that as like one hundred eighty proof boy so face if you mix to put a diet coke and a couple of hours of moons china getting throat punched. Are you getting punched. That's a segment. We have iran with you offending somebody. If you mix the shine oh yes yes yes you did. You say you're getting throat punched. Oh my god you know his throat punch me in a training camp. I couldn't talk for five minutes in our trainer was laughing his ass off at me. Dave hansen killer hanson. I had no idea who he was. I dropped the gaza them in the corner in atlanta because he was acting like an idiot and he hit me so hard behind my ear that i was sore for two years. The next shift was blowing around him and he reached out with one hand and punch me writing a throat. And i couldn't breathe enor- mackey was our trainer. I'd get to the bench. And i first thing he said after my fight said what are you doing. Fighting killer hansen. Who he said. That's killer hanson. I said we're we're going to tell me. That was killer hanson. I didn't want to fight killer. And then after he punched me. Every time i was on the ice. In that scrimmage against dave. And i look over nor mac any going. That's the throat punch promo of all time. Right that is we're going to let you go. Billy and i'm just gonna say this. Because i need to one of my favorite all-time commercials commend climent hands of cement there. They are voice. They're all gnarly in benton that orthopedic. Now but yeah. They're still hands of cement fantastic to ask guys zia sooner. Thank you i mean ray. There's so many different reasons to enjoy spending time with bill clinton and you've spent a ton of time as we talked about in the interview with billy but man he takes a lot of boxes for me so articulate you get the motivational aspect of life that he's lead and just how inspiring he can be an telling his stories and wanting to know. What do you think about this. What do you think about that. An incredible sense of humor. What one of the best elements of all of that is you and i now are off the hook here in episode nine with the throat punch because no way we can do better build cement just did it. That that was outstanding. Got that story about bubble killer. Hanson leaning over to the trainer during the game and mimicking a throat punch. Bill is is phenomenal The one thing you know. I mentioned it in the interview with billy. There is that nothing was a problem for him. Even when it was a problem we'd get stuff as happens in live tv. You get something doesn't work or something gets dumped on your plate and he'd be like okay. Let's figure it out and he'd come up with a plan and we talk about it in. He's smart he's creative and that and now it's seventy years old by the way looks fantastic. And he's living the life that he wants to live but it has not been a career of ease you know like. He talks about his personal and financial bankruptcy. And having to you know he lost his marriage and had to basically rebuild his life at that time and I have a lot of admiration for for what bill has done. And i loved working with him he was. You talked to the guys in philly that spent years with them. You know Jim jackson and keith jones and built. Say all billy man. He's got a story for everything and he does it with enthusiasm. He was an awesome guest in. I was really happy to see him again. I was fine. And you know as we as we kind of do the recap here. I'm remembering a broadcast gathering a meeting in. I think it was in quebec montreal years and years ago when they used to do. Those things and broadcast media would convene in the national hockey would give some seminars and whatnot and bill. Climate was a guest speaker and he wasn't in standing at a podium. Right there was a stage upfront. There's probably one hundred and fifty media people there. Broadcasters there any add like a wireless microphone and he walked all the way across the front of that stage down the aisle is mannerisms and he was just talking about not just as own life. But you know how to approach the hurdles in your own life and meet the challenges head on and embrace the adversity in all of that. And that's a young broadcaster. We're probably going back. Maybe close to twenty years ago. And i left that seminar and it was my one takeaway from from that entire weekend and i mean. Look the commissioner spoke. There were all sorts of of a big name hockey guys there but it was that forty five minute seminar and guest speaking experience with bill comment that i remember vividly about that. So it's good to have good guys on the ranger eggs podcast. There is our good friend chris. Abbott from cool bet dot c o. How much sleep did you get after super bowl. Because i look at ray. I broke a promise. We said the last time we had you on pre super bowl. The we're going to put a few blocks down on certain things Because we listen to what you say. We pay attention to the tips that you provide here on the podcast full disclosure. We didn't do that. Which is probably a good thing. By the way i mean. We talked about coming up to the super bowl. It is the brady factor all of those things but from a pure dollar perspective. What happened on sunday because kansas city was heavily favored right going in. Kansas city was definitely the public favorite So for us. What we saw was an overwhelming majority of tickets. Were on kansas city to win in kansas city to cover the three point spread but the bigger bets were coming in on tampa bay all week. And that's why the line never really moved so at the end of the day Kubat actually needed kansas city to win the game for from a profit perspective but I mean with all the we had like six hundred and fifty props available. So i mean you know the book did okay but yeah it was. It was really interesting game when it came to betting because a lot of the heavy money came in on tampa bay to win and cover and of course. That's what happened to relatively sweat free for a lot of temperature gamblers. So you said six hundred fifty brock's yet. Yeah yeah yeah how come a okay so give me one that you looked at if you can think of off top where you went out. That's kind of funny or that's while there was one i think it was like The number of games played in me. Los round inches first match at the australian open would be More or less than the number of pass attempts or something like that link it was. It was just all these crossword props and things like that. So it's really interesting but but that's how you get sucked because you really don't know. Yeah it was. It was like yeah. The total number of games played in the in the tennis match so it was rab twenty so whatever that was like the the total points scored by tampa bay or something like that. Yeah that's crazy so now what what's next like. Where does super bowl ends. It's a huge the biggest betting day of the year. And then what well. There was a lot of sleep on monday for everybody involved. And then now we're actually turning our attention to the scotties. The curly community absolutely loves to bet so While while while it's not as popular in in you know when it comes to like american. Gamblers obviously canadians. Love to sit home and watch the coverage and bet on curling. It's an absolutely perfect game for that. So the scotties. The brier are coming up in the end. you know. we'll get into march madness hopefully and then after that. You're to the nfl playoffs in the masters in the french open and wimbledon so it never stops and of course they're you know they're looking to play the euro Soccer tournament this summer. So that'll be absolutely huge as well. Hopefully that goes ahead. What are we met. So i'm i'm thinking is you're talking about curved all my family's western canada my eighty one year old mother you know sued center coach watches sports all day. That's that's what she does. And god help me if something a curling telecasts right because it. She's not calling her cable provider. She's calling her son darren. Why are they doing this. What is happening. So i'm gonna put a little bit of cash down. I say this probably won't i'll try to my mom's Honor what we betting on when or betting on when we're betting on curling about outcomes here we'll have We'll definitely have a market on the winner of the tournament that you'll be able to bet before the tournament so you know you gotta your jennifer jones is in your rachel holt will be among the favorites would apathetic and then each and every game so obviously we know what these tournaments sometimes. There's there's big mismatches. Well so there'll be a spread in point so you know will will jennifer jones team. Beat you know. None of by plus or minus eight points right so we'll have a spread on the curling games the total number of points in the curling game. Yeah and we did it for the first time last year with the scotties the brier and apple absolutely love it and one of the one of our partners is the us john epping team and they'll represent ontario at as they did last year so Yeah we we've got a real good with a girl in community and and we certainly have a lot of fun and as you guys know. Curlers fers rugby folks. They they love to have a good top so hard. Yeah they like to get their money down. So it's it's fun. Anything austin matthews in his goals. Greek i mean can i put a few bucks down on the fact that he's gonna you're going to score nine straight ten straight twelve. You can bet on to score every night if you want but Yeah it's getting to the point now. Where most times goalscorers are plus money. Awesome matthews it. It's it's like odds on that. He will score so like better than fifty fifty. I mean that that's saying something in hockey game right like even some of the most prolific guys are usually at least plus one thirty plus one forty But i mean you know those guys are playing so much and getting so many looks at and he looks great and listen. I've been the biggest leash naysayer for a long time. They last won. The stanley cup of my dad was fifteen but I'm i'm fallen forward again. I'm fallen forward again a anyway. We can bet on now. We'd have to do some geographical researcher. But i'm betting that ferraro drive in brandon. Manitoba used the shortest streets in canada. I don't know if you saw that or not. It is segment last night. It's now online you'll have to trick a check it out. But landon believes. It's the shortest street and sarah or leschi and the crack grew on the jets broadcasts actually did the research. It's at least the shortest street in brandon's that right right. No it's it's the shortest street in the new subdivision which hasn't been plowed through yet. Which i believe will become one of the nicest areas of this subdivision. I think you. I think you've misinterpreted the information there. Okay i apologize. I tell you what i think i think when it if it's even this is shorter street than it's it certainly more sought after right in real estate will only go up. E there's only so much square footage like i like who doesn't wanna live on ferraro drives like clun while i play. I grew yukio. It'd be interesting to find out. I grew up in Just outside of saint. John's newfoundland and of course newfoundlanders humor. There is a street in saint. John's called long street. And it's it's happy more than thirty feet long. And so i. I'd like to get good. Get the the measuring tape out and see who wins a lot right. I built my first house. Holly dreger and i built our first house on mcvicar crescent in brandon manitoba raped by the river down by the river. Chris album thanks. Buddy will ask rainn dregs anything. I don't know why i say it. That way. james will hit hill. Open up a segment on. Leave games with you ray. Words what's bugging rate and he'll wants bug in ray and it annoys me. I'm sitting on the panel on the desk. I'm looking at him going. This isn't a boat you duffy. This is about what's bugging ray. Why are you singing the intro. But i because he knows it aggravates stats. Why don't you just did your common duffy cheese. While i apologize never singing aspirin drag anything intro. Which again fire your questions to us on twitter and instagram brain drugs or on our website rains dot com. Here's a good question from chuck. Because it's in the moment right. It's kind of low hanging fruit. Click bait but we. We subscribe to that here on the ranger. Chalk wants to know who wins a seven game series between the leafs in the haves rate now and he says i think goes the distance but in the end you got give the odd because of their goaltending carey price to jake cal. Prices better on a bad day than anti leave. Goalie brady anderson on his best day. I don't know if you agree with that. Assessment but invested seven right now who wins between the leaf snaps while first of all. I'll disagree with the segment if you look at the goaltending statistics Jake allen has been by far the better goaltender era almost a full gold per game lower than carry price his save percentages. I think point one seven better than price at this moment like a significant difference and anderson's been pretty good so i can't even begin to to buy to comment. I think montreal wins because i This'll be crazy. Toronto's got a better top end right. They got better top end than most teams. But the bottom. Three quarters of montreal's roster is better than toronto and in a seven game series. I think that the the grind the cumulative effect a i would i would pick montreal. But honestly if you're going to seven games drake's you're almost in a coin flip by the time you get there. Are i rob gray submitted. This and it's it's a combination of fans. Multiple fans rob says asking is the roughing especially poor. This season. sure seems that way and the difference from period to period game to game and calls of what is what is penalty. Seems to be all over the map. Why can't it be more consistent. And how would you fix it. While i i mean the league officials officiate the game. The way they're instructed to officiate right. They're not all wildcards or frank. You would just ref game however you want. The standard is set from the nhl. They clearly want a focus on these little slashes and taps onto the hands yet. I think there's a portion of the game where if an officials called four of these things he's like man they're they're all the same and they're not significant and so. I think that that comes into the human nature of officiating and the ups and downs of of the what we would like to see in a consistent game i i think it's probably the same for most sports. The kansas city chiefs fans went men. Or they calling another holding penalty on our teeth. Because that's about thirty one today. That's what it felt like. And i'm sure that's what it feels like to watch the games i i you know. I'm frustrated. i guess with the you know the the areas of the game that are allowed to to play out and and some that are not. I'd like to see more consistency across the board. Okay final question from nick ray. Are you ready for this. This is a big picture. This is bob mackenzie big picture type of so. I'm just going to try them on the big picture here. I asked us. You just have to big picture. An area overarching is what is If you were any commissioner for a day and could change anything in the rulebook what would you change. I to make the game better. I change well. I got a couple of things. I would change. I said okay. So i would take the rule book. And i would put it in a boardroom and i would have to. Current officials like to current referees to current linesmen to retired referees. To retired linesmen recently retired. I would have a players board of four to six players and i would have a management representatives two or three and i would say start page one and goal through this thing until we can come to general agreement on most of the rule book. And then we're going to call the rule book because i think now is drake. You've opened the rule book too. It's like there's a the offside rule and there's fourteen abs. Under the offside rule. I don't think anybody knows what the hell the rule is anymore. They do but i think you can clarify that rule book and it will help the standard in consistency of the rules. The second thing i would do and this'll be a little Counter-intuitive maybe to to a lot of people with no red line. There's portions of the game that go really fast and nothing happens. It's like an air hockey game. The puck gets slapped up tipped into the other zone. They get it. They slap it up. Tip into the zone is just being being being being. Nothing happened so i would put a line across the top of the of the face off. Circle scotty bowman has talked about this. A number of years ago a two line pass would come back into the game but it would be from the defensive side of the top of the circles to the other side of the red line and the reason that would improve the game in my opinion it would slow it down just a tick you would have more passing and two on one given gold plays instead of this long past tip and chase it like a like a golden retriever and it would force the defense to come up to the red line because right now the defense on that long pass they just wait back there and they go get it if they have to come and defend the red line which they will because if you don't defend the red line than the other guys are coming at you with possession with full speed so they're gonna come up that's going to allow some to on ones up in the neutral zone. I think in a counter intuitive way that opens up the game. I think it would be very beneficial. I don't disagree and look there will be almost all the players. You take too long to adapt and all that. What would it take a game. Maybe two exhibition games before everybody goes. I got it. We're good well. Yeah because the first game some guys gonna think he's wide open he's going to get a pass to lighthouses. Gaw forgot about that. Yeah and then you'll figure it out because those are the rules and in my mind just by slowing the game down just a bit. It's going to open the game up. But can you imagine if to. I'm thinking as i'm talking here. People say oh well then you're taking away when a connor mcdavid greatest weapons. No defense still has to come up to the red line to defend it. Can you imagine if conner catches some guy half flat-footed science ara gone. And so i think it's something that they probably won't look at but should awesome ask ranger eggs. Anything as we wrap up episode nine huge to our partners to make the podcast possible at school bed dot. Co the free to play sports and casino games website lagaras dot com jewelers valentine's day. I mean there'll be people listening to this podcast in they'll go. I forgot february fourteenth Fifty garowe get on with dr. Do not let that be you right. I look we're valentine's day will be gone before we record episode ten so you got some online shopping to do and you might even get more than ten percent off because you know. Use the ray ten and you get ten percent off. That's for schmos like me. You're actually wrote for ferraro so if you log on to lagaras. Jewelers dot com. This is the one and only ray ferraro. I bet you beg. You might get fifteen percent off. I can say hey. I've got a street in brand named after me. It's not a long what's your week. Look like buddy Jets game tomorrow. got My regular radio assignments to do and the next week i get into. I got a couple of games and like a busier week. So kinda got around the house. Try to be prepared for valentine's day. Which i'm going to try and sell on cami that. Hey we're not getting any anything for each other we this year and she's going to go. Look at me like man. I gotta get to work. Yes see again. This is just another shameless. Lagaras plug because i. I'm not a big valentine's day guide. Neither holly she goes in. But it's one thing if you're purchasing something that matters you get the nice jewelry earrings ring. Whatever okay that's going to stay with cami for the rest of her life right eden bias six dollar card into like. It goes into the recycling bin. Three days off you don't you. Don't keep your cards now. Who keeps their cards. I do what for. I don't know there during an envelope. There in my not hold on hold on because i've been around long enough and i've been in healthier times for dinner all of these things d. Think cami would notice if you recycled her card every five years. No if i gave her the same car yes. I back to good one. I might try. And i have to find one of the ones that we got a question for you. Yes relied if i've recycled valentine's day card from five years ago. Would you notice probably not. I think nobody money to do my shopping. How impressive can be brought the crayons out. You actually did a homemade car. I'm hoping the boys will do something homemade. If i should probably put a little effort in the desert much more than that. You're gonna rose paddles up the stairs into the bedroom onto the bed bottle of champagne. She'd have she'd have the dyson out and she'd be vacuuming on. What's this mess. What are you doing so you would not be able to live with that. You'd be looking over your shoulder. I can't stand that look messy. I gotta clung that all right buddy. Thanks doing yeah. You have a great week grace. Thanks for everything. Thanks to everybody for listening rating sharing doing all you do and looking forward to episode.

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"Elliot the people have spoken and you know how we can tell. The people have spoken. Because we're doing this in my car. Yeah because you're in your car overwhelmingly overwhelmingly people said they liked the car casts. So here we go again. Although there were a few people have to mention that were quite passionate about wanting it in a more traditional setting and my thought was that they wanted a cleaner sound a sweeter bit of audio from our man amel which everyone including myself really does appreciate. Yes but i had a couple of people the and i think you're on them as well. Who said i'd rather have it a little bit later. So you guys have some time to think about what you're gonna say instead of just blurting it out after it happens. What's the fun in that. Why would you want us to think of anything you reading getting this industry to think about things. People come on just like we didn't get into this industry to work Welcome to the podcast. Thirty one thoughts. Hold on one sec. Hold on one sec. So first of all we wanted to say. Thank you for all your responses. Because there were a lot of the through. And secondly i would just like to say jeff. I never realized what a sore loser always told this week. Live long time ago. Bud jeff you got to back beyond this one. The weird said life jeff. He was sour puss. Like you have to. You have to side with beyond this case. So i have a rule. I have a rule in television That i try to be extra extra extra all the camera operators because they're the ones framing my shot and two when it comes to podcast. I will kiss ammos but every single day. Because he's responsible for me other sounding good or bad so if you think for a second i'm going to take a side. Swipe amel here ravina sore loser. Would you might have been a little. I'm not gonna do it. Elliott friedman but before life who. I was surprised. Because i've never seen that side of him before i have to say almost generally very upbeat and very helpful and yes. We do. Love him because he makes the show sound. The shows andrei but in our group chat. I actually had to start a secondary group. Chat group jackson-lee two of us a secondary chat with jeff say. I've never seen him like this. Core thirty-one lies thirty one lies thirty one lies comics. We love you. All was the best man. He's our interview or you wanna go. Well let's just start with the game that you just worked. And then we'll get a couple of different things named the teams that are no longer a competing for the stanley cup shirt namely pittsburgh and In florida here the montreal canadians force a game. Six and what's noteworthy about game. Six in canada is there's gonna be fans now mind you. They're going to reach deep deep deep deep into their pockets for these tickets. But there will be fans on saturday for the first time in this covert world in kansas. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to seeing how loud that few fans can become because as we've seen like in nassau coliseum for those lenders games like what was that that one last saturday six thousand sounded late. Twenty thousand and nine thousand sounded like twenty five thousand fans. They were all sitting piano man in the parking lot. Oh man was so good. everything was so good about. We'll get to get the penguins. We should spend some time with the allender here because their fans are fantastic and creative. We should mention as well. But what did you make of the montreal. Effort against toronto. Maple leafs on thursday. I thought it was a great effort. Obviously i thought price was really good. Gave up line kind of rough goal. Jelly thought he was really good. I thought one of the biggest turning points in the game actually. Jeff was simmons beating price but not the post early in the game. I think it's a very different game. If simmons scores there but he doesn't and price i thought was really good and the the team took advantage really good. I'm amazed the third defense has no points in the series of completely blow away with that by the whole montreal. Thing is amazing for me here. You know toronto's winning and mathews has one goal and monir has none and montreal st alive. They're getting nothing from tatar. No points from the blue line you know. It was wild in the first period. How they never put maryland gusta sing together. One of them was playing with basically everybody by the other guy like it was a total mishmash. Dog's breakfast team but price was crates. Who was great. They didn't oft find a way. And i think it's gonna to wonders for their confidence which was totally flat at the end. Kim number four dip their stand like jeff. You and i grew up in toronto. Okay we have circles of people fans around us that we know and all of our lives and they are the biggest pessimists live and. You should've seen the text messages. I was getting after that game. All my god these people. They always assume the worst. And i think saturday night game six incredible. But that's the truth about me. Police fans now has been this way for decades. There's not an eighty two game season. there's one how should i say this. There's eighty two individual seasons. Every game is a season offer. A maple leaf's fan. That's the way it is when you're on you're trying to please. Fan to the gusts and merrill thing that was interesting. Because you know gustafsen goes in the lineup and your first thought is. Why would they do that when they don't have last change because you know i'm sure sheldon keep look at that and say okay. Look my chops. We put the matthews lion out there. When guston and merrill are trapped and then you start to to dine out But to your point that didn't happen and they mixed up defense that way. I don't believe in momentum in the playoffs. I think their individual islands all these games and these guys. By the time they get to the nhl they can wipe out memories pretty quickly out but having said that. I have no idea what to expect in a game. Six here montreal. No clue no clue whatsoever like you could. You could convince me of anything. And the the one thing that i was that i that i found interesting is caufield and suzuki too young players on the ice in overtime. That's a key decision at a key. Time for dom de sharm. But i think it was the right decision because i thought suzuki in particular was one of their best players all night like the canadian scored greasy goals. That kind of goals kevin talk show about how corey perry would put a stick in the garbage and say we got a score garbage goals and they did that they accomplished. What the to. But i thought from minute one minute sixty one. I thought he was fantastic so to me. It's not like it's a surprise that they put him out there. He earned the right to be out there. And who else deserved there. More than i didn't see anyone. I think the next forty eight hours. It's very interesting just to see first of all i think. Toronto's got enough veterans around. Who can handle this. Then they'll keep the group pretty light. I just think the next forty eight hours from team game six. I bet you. there's going to be a lot of talk about minor and you know monir. I think has been an excellent player. He hasn't scored in a long time in the playoffs and doesn't seem to have a lot of confidence around the day he's holding it and holding it and holding it and you know that did lead to one of the goals. Y'all hyman did score the first toronto call off of one of those smarter moves by deal for me. I think he's such an incredibly smart and confident player. It's played to me right now. The only place re doesn't really seem to believe it himself is when he's that last thing to do it again in the net and i just think that this is going to be a narrative right now. This is going to be a pretty funky forty-eight hours in toronto police land and credit the montreal canadians and thank the montreal canadians and a lot of ways elliott because now we have toronto montreal on a saturday night hockey night in canada again with that. Welcome the podcast. Thirty one thoughts presented by gmc sierra eighty four lead bucket setauket. Ten plays right wing corner. Seven seconds to go rusty probably kick would talk to thank. Take things okay. Welcome to once again Another edition of the holocaust part. Welcome the thoughts Panthers out penguins though we'll start with the ping gino's First round exit. The last three seasons This is the season where jim radford departs more in him and a couple of moments an style and brian burke enter there were some moves that were made most notably. Jeff carter move which really did pay off for the pittsburgh penguins But the song remains the same as good as their regular season turned into It was a first round exit this year at the hands of the new york islanders. So what happens here. Now see one of the questions always becomes. Okay if you go out in the first round things happen it happens twice You start to wonder about it. It happens three times. You start to make decisions about the team. What are the decisions facing the pittsburgh penguins right now. See the thing to me about this series. Jeff is i thought pittsburgh was as good as the islanders were. They got beat by the goaltending. And i don't like to kick people when they're down. Everybody saw what happened with jari. He just didn't have enough series. It's all the needs to be said. Sarokin beat him. I thought that pittsburgh was pretty good in this series. They got beaten at the most important position and they lost the series. Because i understand that. This is pittsburgh's third loss in the first round. I don't think necessarily the team should over react or over analyze any more than what happened in that. That doesn't mean they won't do that. But that means that's how i feel first of all on carton. He has a cavalry capture issue. If he retires. I don't believe that's going to happen from what it sounds like. I think they addressed that with him before. The trade was even made. And i don't think that carter is going to be in a situation where he's going to retire. I fully expect. He's gonna come back and play for them for another season. I think you've got to find someone in goal whether you say we believe in jerry in. This was a bad stature. You feel you have to go out and get someone else entirely last year. They tried to trade for flurry. I mean this is just me talking out of my fight but would they consider that again. Is that a reasonable idea. You know also. Nobody knows jonathan quick. Better than ron hextall with daffy someone that they would consider doing. But i think you're probably looking at a short term veteran option. Unless you're changing your goaltenders entirely you're looking at the short-term veteran option with jari to push them a little bit and give you something better and i wouldn't be surprised. This is just me talking. If a flurry or a quick with something that they thought about. So that's number one you know. I don't think ownership there wants to trait. Crosby malkin or latino i. I don't think that's something they really want to do. I would expect those guys to be back. Then they'll look for what they have to fit around them by. I don't think this team was as bad as that. Series indicated elders were full marks for the win. But i thought the major reason was they were better at the most important position agree or disagree. I mean i thought you can make the argument that if you look at all the games collectively and just ignore the score but looked at who controlled play and who was the better team for the majority of the series. You could make the argument. That was the pittsburgh penguins but the fact that that happened really does underscore how much the netminding undid. All of that work like. I'm not sure you can come back with tristen jari like i know he's got term Still with the with the pain was in his contract but that to me is going to be real challenging one. He that's that to me is the big one. I agree with who is going to be your gold and the other question at even consider the idea of you know trading malkin or trading. Chris tang as we've seen they're still really good team here. My question about those two players is at what point. Do you make a decision about whether you want to extend them or not. Because they'll be one year out so you can entertain a contract extension now. Do they have that conversation with one. Both or neither there is a feeling correct me. If i'm wrong here that maybe this goes right. This probably goes right to marry you. That the pittsburgh penguins want malkin to retire a penguin. I will say this. I heard that one of the things that you had to agree to when you were the gm. The penguins was the hyun needed ownership approval. It was in writing. You hit ownership revolt to trade their cosby. You're like that one goes right talk and i'm with you. I think they want malkin. End crosby retires payments. And i will say this. I don't necessarily believe that. Seem right there with. But i also believe that a player that they would like to retire as a penguin. So how'd you work with that now. The thing that's interesting about payments his very headstrong organization between david moros and brian burke and ron hextall that's a lot of people who are not shy of opinions there and i do think that hextall has juice in the hockey department. I think that she basically wanted it and got it when he got in there So i think his say is going to be very big but i do think ownership feel strongly that they would like to keep those players couple other things here one. I want to note this before we wrap up being conversation about the pittsburgh penguins was this year that everybody realized how important and how good brian newman is. I think if you waited too long here you're kind of clueless really Really was the season where it was really pronounced that as much as tang gets the headlines on the blue line. It's tough for the penguins to win. With o'brien newman. Yes i agree with that. By the way. I have to tell you that i couldn't use it in game. Six but the shot in the anthem of of la- tang with his hair hanging over his head during the national anthem. I tried to find a way to use it. But i just couldn't brian nascar who's a longtime reporter and radio guy in pittsburgh. He captured it and referred to the tang compared into the villain. The girl in the ring and i laughed. I thought that was brian. I gotta tell you. I thought that was the best comparison. I thought a moment opera nothing but nonetheless the other thing like there were a couple of times this season and maybe i'm looking too much into this and it's just from having worked with brian for the years that we did here at sports net and you have a general idea of how he thinks about things. There were a few times this season and there are a couple of times. This series most notably With matt martin And that one time specifically when he grabs zach. Ashton reese and i remember thinking to myself right. Now burke's blood is boiling. Yes they burkey hates. This and i would probably say hextall hates this and probably saying to themselves this ends now like that would be one of the things that i would suspect that hextall and burke looked to remedy for next season game six that really stood out to me was malkin delivered a great hit on matt mark and then. He got clobbered by sky. Mayfield who got a paddling. And i'm sitting here and saying malkin just ran over one of the toughest islanders and it's like there's more of them than there are penguins like the islanders daddy's and their daddy is. Everybody fills a role. Nobody leaves their all. We always play the same way every time. Like i like betting against the islanders and the play offs because they play the same way every time. They're they're so consistent but the other thing they are is you're never going to push us around because they're one of the few teams. It's really committed to the bit like one of the reasons. I think vegas is in trouble. Is they played really well. In game five got beaten. They don't have mcnabb and reeves right. Now we'll see where this goes for game seven but brayden mcnabb. I think is want an underrated player. But he's not the offensive threat to the theodore are portrayed slow is but i think he's a really good player and human being really screws around with the golden knights identing. But nobody's got that daddy more the islanders. Do i understand what you're saying jeff. I'm just not sure you can add enough in today's nhl to compete with the islanders like nobody commits to it at the same level than they do not or. The islanders comes to that but everybody grows in a couple of guys in the line up there like that. Look at the maple leafs. For example i mean they. They have added a ton but the bit they have has grown everybody. You mentioned vegas here. And you want to talk to you about one more thing pittsburgh. Okay shoot sullivan's went to cups there. He's got three more years left on his contract. Do you think there's any reason to wonder here. No first place. He's a great coach. It's funny because i've i've heard that i've seen people discuss it online. I think i don't know where it comes from. I can't like with the season that they had and they put together and that stretch and we all we all know now about things like aging curves etc. I think he's done a really good job. I agree. I think it's probably the. Us olympic coach with the goaltending that he had that talked to me is foolish talk. I can't make any sense. Would you have made a goalie. Switch game six anger legacy would have. I would have to start the game. No no no no. No no no okay. So after which goal though probably the fifth one but they got to me. That's not a fireable offense or anything like that. But i've probably make the change. I think at that point you probably have to. I don't know where this comes from. What do you think so jeff. The only reason. I think people are talking about this is. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence and that is that. There's do boston town and they've lost three times in the first round to me. The only way that this is happening is of. Everybody here simply believes that they needed to voice. He's got three more years under contract. And i can guarantee you. This was available. There would be a talk interesting. The only way i see this. If they're convinced that they needed voice that's it. We have game seven on the horizon. Vegas and minnesota minnesota's sticks it to him in game six three bagel. What happens if minnesota wins. Who boy like. Okay so put it this way if minnesota loses. You might look at this casually having if you didn't pay attention the season at all or the playoffs or the personnel. You'd just say wasn't minnesota always. Does they just get into the playoffs. And then they lose in the first round is the same old minnesota wild. I maintain it's different because of the personnel and you know capris off and ericsson ac and younger players on there. It is changing their in minnesota. That's why this one is different and it feels different but what happens if vegas loses in the first row. We know that owner really no owner likes losing that owner bill. Foley really doesn't like losing elliott's not after doing what he does every year buying the most expensive hockey players out there. What happens if they lose. Well that i think that they continue their buying spree. You know the thing that makes it even more unusual for what's going on there. Is this whole kovic situation there right and you'll payton crabs. He's not gonna play anyway. But he's on the list ryan riess and brayden mcnabb are on the list and just games and now uses one from where stay here. There's a whole these are false positives and the hope is they'll be okay for team seven but i don't know this week are cast this. I don't know what's going to happen. And since the game's gonna be playing in the pacific time zone. We probably won't know until well after this podcast comes out if that's going to happen but i think that's the whole 'cause i really do. Think vegas without mcnabb and reuse in the lineup. I i think those guys are very important. That their team i. I'm just amazed jeff at some of the problems. Figures has scoring with all that talent. They have in their lineup. Doesn't have the patch already. So that's true. He's a big part of that. No question about and don't forget. They went after hall. Yes you know vetoed a trait there. Okay we'll see what happens during game. Seven back the teams that have been eliminated We've gone through the pittsburgh penguins. Let's deal with the florida panthers. First of all glad. They finally got together tampa in florida so that was a lot of fun. Let's see that more in the future. Thank you very much. You talked about something before. That builds ios number one job when he can is to extend alexander barkov. And you look at the south jones situation with columbus so much of their future is going to depend on what seth jones's decision is in which way he wants to go with his career. Do we say the same thing about alex bark off. The direction of the panthers will be charted by his decision. I agree that it's a huge thing for him. Like i know there are some teams out there. That couldn't wait for barkov hit the market. After this year. I think those teams feel much less confident that he's going to be available because the team is good now. Yeah that they'll barkov will be happy with that direction. And they know that they have to pay them and they will. They've got a really good young goalie. Who won one game in the plows for them. Where give up a goal in his first shot and then stopped thirty six in a row. You know the elliott elliott the also have a very expensive older goalie. The will get to that in a second but you know they got like every team. They've got difficult decisions. They have to make. But i will say this. I know that there are teams out there who really were hoping they really believe that they would get a shot of barkov. They believe it much less right now. And if florida's going to commit to him and we all know that florida will think after a year like this one. You've got to feel pretty comfortable. If you're the panthers that you're gonna be able to keep always. We'll get the broth here in a sack. I always find it interesting. When someone achieves unrestricted free agent status signs a contract and then finds themselves are fa fa but declare not qualified by the ottawa. Senators The end of last season. became an unrestricted free agent signed with the florida panthers and now anthony declare finds himself a restricted free agents. That a good fit for you declare in florida. I mean it depends on what both sides want here. Can you work out a deal. But you've got to feel that he's like he found a home. They're they found a place for him. You know i think the interesting situations there are number. One is bob ross. What are they going to do that. And you know they're going to try to incentivize people to take them. Is that even going to be possible. Aiming to me the fact that night played brodsky wasn't even the backup. That is such a like a shot across the bow. That is such a campbell in the side of a building. I think is a better analogy. Actually you can't ignore that candidate incentivize somewhat adopt to that. I don't know and the other one. He has the one that started the season. Is we all know how the beginning of year started. He looked like you streak was going to end. The players went to management and said. Don't do that and he played in the playoffs. They took him out of the lineup. A couple of times. I believe they made sure to check with the lead that wouldn't industry but they didn't they did it and you'll you've gotta look at it in wonder okay. One day what are they thinking here now. The one thing with handle is it. Oh you guys who can get you to the play offs and condemn do that. So i don't know if what the plan is there by. I could see them keeping him for the regular season but brasi. I think we all see that. They're going to try to do whatever they can to move them. I just can't imagine it's going to be using that's tough Fifty million dollars owed still there over the next five years flat cap tight budgets. That's a real tough one. I tell you to jeff. Like i had someone say to me this week. That based on what they're hearing revenues are and what the money that's going to be old from the players to the league and they are not expecting the cap go up for five years. That's a dagger as a dagger for deals that's a dagger to get out of problems. I do wonder. I still think the outcome would have probably been the same. I mean tampa such a such force and kucherov comes back. And it's you know eleven points bom like you never you have to get the exact number because you but someone said to me in game six because i think yandle and bobrovsky were out of the lineup. That came one of these games where prosecution yandle didn't play. They said that difference payrolls between thirty and forty million. You know what that is. That's like pre two thousand five salary cap when liked detroit would play nashville and like the swing was like forty million dollars. Maybe even more. And you say like poor david oils like struggling to hit like twenty million dollars in the neutral red wings are spending like seventy billion dollars. That's that's those days pally against tampa that's less be down take on penalties and thing is about tampa's like they are sn early in. They are physically tough and they'll push back but their biggest enforcer might be their power play. That's their enforcer. Oh god that was funny so juvenile so stupid so high school so hockey and i couldn't stop laughing at it. Elliott nam allegedly grown man. I will tell you. I think they were way that it got caught portrayed a little bit as their the mean team that gakkai suspended in tampa's abidjan of angels schultz. Like i think they held the tampa. Was you said like those guys are not soft leak dish it out as much as big time. They sure do a at every single position. I wonder how much things would have been different with a healthy air neck. Blad like i still think i still think tampa wins so then tampa the better team. But you know i always wonder you know what would aaron act. Blad have been if he didn't get injured the world cup of hockey. Where where's his career at me. It's come a long time to get over. That looked like he was back. Last season was good. This season was good and the injury again. There's there's there's no real question here just just speculation. I just wonder how different things would be with the help. Eac planet in that florida lineup. I look at tampa. I think they're so stacked alan. I would've loved to seen it. One more thing circling back in a way to the pittsburgh penguins. Ppi sports is the agency that represents a lot of coaches and general managers. We've had no glassberg on the program before here on thirty one thoughts and the day after the pittsburgh. Penguins are eliminated from stanley. Cup playoffs Pbr sports announces that. Jim rutherford has signed on as a client. He is elliott very much in the game. Any thoughts on where rutherford could end up first of all. I'm glad you brought this up because someone called me last week. After you know whichever podcast we did what we talked about. Vancouver and i said vancouver isn't spending five times five. Bring in jim rutherford and someone said to me is that mean you think that jim demanding five times five and i said it's not really what i meant. It was more like the other conscious. Were going to that big ticket. President of hockey ops right now. That's not what they're interested in doing so like if anybody thought that i meant that. Jim rutherford demanding five times five. Or he's going into hibernation or something and that's that that's not what i meant. It was more a comment on vancouver's philosophy than jim rutherford's so here's the thing i'm looking at. You know right now are any. Gm's going to be. I don't know that it's the gm position how many teams are going to be hiring president. Hockey ops right. Now there's one that sticks out for me but it would take some massaging of the owner or owners teri and kim gula. Yeah i to me. That's the most obvious team. And look i think. Jim rutherford scott a lot offer. The guys won three stanley cups. I think he's incredibly knowledgeable. Person and too is and this is no small thing. He enjoys the by play with his local media. Like i don't know if there's a more accessible manager in the sport than jim rutherford is. And i think in this stage that's important you know whether you agree with him or disagree with him. He's going to talk to your writers or your broadcast media or whatever to explain. What and i think that's incredibly valuable and going to tell you in buffalo. I think that could really help. The instant teas lee get the benefit of the doubt from their fans. So yes i don't get the sense. Buffalo really wants to do that. But i see how we can help their. Now they start chasing carmont does and as we know that those guys were really close but there was a bit of a falling out. I assume all of that could fixed. Kevin adams played form carolina together. I i think it makes a lot of sense to be i. I i think if you're an organization struggling to get your essence across he is kind of person you want there and i. It makes perfect sense to me. It really would be the perfect. No perfect has. I don't know how damage the relationship is. I just wonder if there's anything that buffalo can do to change the wage. Jack eichel feels about the organization this year sports journal nevermind. This year this week it published the local tv ratings and buffalo down three percent right. He was thirty five percent. It was a lot Like i can't play in phase for this. It's been a long time. I also don't knocks fans but there's some of the best hockey fans around like i get it. I do to me like you could use that. I really think you can't but one of my podcast. her elliott. There were some people who looked at the winnipeg edmonton series. And said. i can see winnipeg winning this thing. And maybe it comes down to depth and may becomes downs Down goaltending. But i don't know anyone that looked at this series and i did pick winnipeg and heard it from various people in edmonson. What of which. Listening to this podcast. So hello. I don't know anyone that would have looked at this series instead. Winnipeg in a sweep. No no. nobody was picking usc. What happened one of the things that i really agreed with was that winnipeg looked at the way they ended the season and we can't be like that. We can't do that. Joe after one of the games early in the in the series it came one car. Helo bach didn't interview in the first thing you said with us. There was a post game interview so i guess it was gene. He said it was the details. He said we were great on the details. There was that more comment we learned to with the same brain. Palmeri said one of the things. I wrote in the blog. Layton here is is that no matter how bad you're going. You can set a new narrative in the playoffs. And also you use this as a lesson to how we have to play with and the jets. I didn't have the guts to pick them like you did. But the judge did that they committed to. We have to play a certain week. We're going right now. We steak and we're not gonna be anyone. I think they were a deeper. And i think a lot of guys who hadn't played well really elevated especially on defense i think all their guys really elevated and i have to tell you that there's one thing there was a big issue during the year and i wrote a little bit and palmer's fat on logan stanley and his bed kendrew because all of those defensemen of all six of those guys played great date. Battled at yet a tough moments at different points during the series but they all battled their effort was exceptional all six of them and they competed hard and they basically said. If you're going to beat us you're gonna have to beat us after we make hard on you to beat us. And i thought everybody on that in that jets team came to play and the thing i would say about. Stanley is tall. Maurice on logan standing there were people there. They were screaming at him to play heinola and the all. I think this is a very hard year for sammy. Diku and i think that even sometimes people in the organization were like we want see you try these guys and this is going to be a big debate. Going forward in the nhl in baseball. Managers basically become an offshoot of the team and they get told what to do in hockey. It's still very much. No coach plays who wants to play. And that's it. And i think they were people who want him to play. Hi nola and he said no. I'm betting on logan stanley. And you know that bet came through. Because marie said this is the guy we're going to need an stanley validated. His coaches faith in him. And i don't wanna see people sit out. Who wants to play. But i'm happy for paul maurice up happy for stanley because i like life. I'd rather see someone valid faith in someone not validate that i. That's a big win. in round. One for burri savvy faith now player and the player justifying. Josh morrissey was excellent. Another guy who had a great here but edmonson. Y'all like when you put dry seidel mcdavid on the same line jeff. That was like okay. You've got one line got three. They just aren't deep it off to paint them yet. They just start leads. That can get off in various tangents. Whether you think hockey's a weak link game or a strong link game and this is you know you look at team like the avalanche. They can load up their top line but they're deep enough. They can afford to have that luxury to that point. Yup edmonton loads up that top line. And then afterwards winnipeg says okay while that's fine we're gonna beat you with lines two three and four and i think that mike smith this season gave the edmonton oilers really good goaltending. Like i know he was a fallback plan. They we've talked before they were hot in pursuit of jacob. Barks from calgary with an extra year. Is that what a while. I think marks from changed his mind or marks from changes mind and then ended up going with the With the calgary flames the sunday. Where winnipeg had that glorious comeback was that sunday. That was the sunday game. The sunday game with big glorious. Come back You know you can look at that and say oh boy mike smith get in the edmonton oilers in trouble. Luckily they lost because of the goaltending more because of the the depth. And that's going to be issue number. One yeah. I would imagine for a ken holland. What happens then. I mean what are the pieces of business. You have to figure out you know what's happening with ryan nugent hopkins like there's some payers. We know just aren't going to come back. You talked about a deal. That they're close to with adam larson or at least down that path. That one's getting done i. Do you think that one's coming. What about a player like tyson berry. I don't know. I don't expect to see very back. I don't like i larsen will be back. You know. I thought can answer on foams interesting. And he said basically until july. I think what it sells because they're not expecting cleft mom to come back but they're hoping he'll take time to hope he changes his mind. I don't do this often. But i really watched hololens availability rate. And he said. I don't necessarily to make a big trade and it caught some of their guys by surprise. See what i think. I think what he's saying. Is we have to give our young guys chance evolution chart the asked to play y'all some else who has to play mcleod. I wanted them to try cloud in the overtime and into say in the intermission. And i didn't when i was talking about all the guys were playing. I was actually annoyed at myself. Because i didn't say macleod to play more. Because i just thought maybe he gives them a burst of energy or something like that. He'll i think their defense as a chance to be pretty. Good is plays out larson nurse. They're fu chard and they've got a couple of young prospects like i'm like where that's going to go. I think mcleod is gonna play. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a run at someone. Like hyman and they've got a pay nursing a year and there are some of the fan base. That is like we're gonna make a mistake. We're going to give there's too much money. You know what the guy guy leftist. God's on the ice he wants to be an oiler. I guarantee to you if you lose him. You are never going to be able to replace him with a guy who's gonna care as much about that organiz ation whatever you have to replace him with. He walks is not gonna care vote. The oilers like darnell nurse cares about the oilers. You obviously have to pay him a big number. You try to get it down to as much as you can get on it and you pay. I'm sorry that guy sixty two minutes and and without complaint get. You're never going to find anybody who's if you have go out again. Who's care about killers as much to start to care about the orders. You have to pay for it. I'm if takes exposed six years. Is there any way they can get out from underneath the weight of the james neal deal well he said by right. That's a big one man. Is it the worst thing if he comes back and play his ear. I don't think so if you don't wanna do that you haven't played for you. This is the summer though we're edmonton finally does it'll have a little bit of caps the play with you've got to deal with nursing here. Yeah i think they might go after a forward like a hymen. If he makes the market. I could see it being one of their targets. Okay i'm going to name three goaltenders dick. Tell me which one you could see playing with the oilers. Next year darcy kemper corp asylo or mors. Lincoln's see i. I've said before right campers gonna cost you a first round or right and he's only one more year under contract. Yeah one more year for point. Five i don't see edmonton doing that. I could see them doing it. I it's one of my theories is that maybe merced. Lincoln's ends up in buffalo for sam. Reiner ooh there's the headline for the podcast. No the headlines. This podcast thirty one lies. So that's right. Yes that's fantastic. I know that's one of my theories there. I don't know if it's gonna happen. But i wonder if that's something that gets discussed. Because columbus looking for a center. And you'll both those teams consign the other guy extent reinhard if you want to extend virtually ken's if you want we've talked to this podcast before but not sharing for teens but cheering for people. In elliott has a final thought in edmonson. I'm on team bear. It was trying to think of something to tweet about it. Ferrets tweet tonight just thought that was so good. I was like nothing. I writer say is going to be as good as let me get your thoughts on an ex oiler. Wayne gretzky. The greatest of them all now with tnt. We'd heard about a whispered for awhile. Close with turner. I'm kinda surprised. Are you a little bit a little bit. I think it made him an offer we couldn't say no to. I know some people didn't think no in the didn't think he was going to do it. I gotta tell you there's a lot of people don't think wayne gretzky is going to be good at this. I thought tweet was interesting. You miss one hundred percent of the shots. He don't take note that says to me he knows what everybody's saying about. He's always been acutely aware. I don't get a chance to spend a lot of time with him. Not going to pretend for a second on one of his wing rescues best pals. But i can't tell you how much i've enjoyed the times. I have spent with him because he's an incredibly observant person. He watches a lot of hockey. He's still on top of things he still sees the game at a high level. I don't think he's going to go out there to cut people like the inside the nba guys can do but what i tell you. What he can do is he can. Wow you with his knowledge. And i think he will do that when i saw the tweet out that was to me. I know people out there. Think i can't do this. I think he's going to surprise us. I think he's going to go out there and he's going to be observant and i think that's what he will do. He impress people with his knowledge is ability to understand details. I've still annoyed you're costing all of us jobs. By saying only superstars interview other superstars. But i hope they do that with him. I wanna see gretzky. And and i'll tell you something like some of the in conversations. He did with ron where he just talks about. Details games like i hope t does is classic hockey with wayne. Gretzky amen sit him down and walked through the eighty seven games that category. Three games of that file. Okay because i i would think the default for a broadcast would be the nhl games. And that's clearly what the nhl will want. But i'm with you do all of the the the seventy seven will junior championship with when we first saw wayne gretzky and you know what. I'm sure that wayne gretzky mean outside of the big games worries breaking records like smashing records. Those are all the games we think about. I'm sure that there are some games. That are just like a tuesday night and buffalo or like a thursday in minnesota. Where wayne did something saw. Something was involved in something. Had something happened to him. That only he'll remember and can bring that back up and the other thing the other thing that i think about. This elliott is no matter what he says there will be gravity attached to eight time. Tiny little thing like remember like one comment about onset copay tar. It'll be a headline everywhere. Make one comment about henrik. Zetterberg headline everywhere. Just because of who he is on the. I'm with you. I'm fascinated to see where this goes in how this goes with with gretzky. This could be and the one thing that we don't see. Unlike in other sports we don't see the superstars. The elite elite elite players transition to media. Yes one special. I gotta tell you what happened to me today so this time of year. I don't wear socks okay. But i wear socks with a suit. It was chilly. chilly tonight. what are you doing. I know but i think it's it's late. May i don't think i should have to wear socks. So even though i'm refusing it's my it's my hunger strike against socks so i always take a pair. I throw them into my canvas bag that used for the play offs. And you know. I take the my throw them in there. I put them on after wearing them. I throw them back in. And i take them out at home and today. I forgot to take out yesterday's pair and through my my pair for tonight into the end of the campus. I go into my change room at work. And i opened up my bag. I stick in all my calls died. It was it was. I deal tara socks. They're almost broked. I couldn't do. I trouble during the pre-game all could spell by day-old sox update. Why did you bother wearing them at the day. Old socks and the new parents. Oh you didn't think that was the only pair of the you had for television on thirty five weeks. Jeff scott the heat and what not wear sox not wear. Day-old tara sucks. You wouldn't flip them inside college south. I used to do that. I think for more better than that. the aim high elliott friedman aim high. By the way speaking speaking of you. Okay so we've gone through the beard. We had the turtleneck. What's up with the feathers but can't get a haircut here i know. Here's my only question is. Is this going to be this. Summer's version of the beard. I will tell you this. My wife likes the air a lot more than the beard and this man long hair is making a comeback. According to me you know think when this hair salons barbershops or whatever open up. I'm gonna go get my haircut. I will say this. There is a guy who cuts my hair here. It's right near the building. Work the see and these guys are getting clobbered rate. So i want to give them the business when they can open up part of a what support small business do they do. The traditional shave their too but the hot towel straight blade. Oh i treat yourself man. Treatment office fantastic. Okay we'll step away as we think about that. Lovely niche and that loving. Feeling those of you that have had that experience for thirty one. Five year term terrible ended up fraud hamilton and slaven who connected on the goal hamilton with again. We interrupt our regularly scheduled car. Cast to present you elliott friedman's house caps. He's left the car because we pause recording the podcast to walk the thrilling conclusion. And it was thrilling of the nashville. Carolina game The carolina hurricanes eliminating the nashville predators setting up now a carolina tampa best of seven. But can't it be more. Please please please please please series. I can't believe you told people. I was out of the car. I was had sound effects. I was going to play in my officer car horns honking honking horns and drove. It's the pedal on the right. Buddy lewis school. Pick it up okay. Carolina defeats nashville. The last four games. I mean four over time so that's spectacular but even just getting there like every time you flip by because these nights you flip by as many games as he can or you have screened a screen. Every time you look over. There was never more than a one goal difference in these last four games it was a spectacular was a wonderful series to nashville gave it a lot harder a grind than i think a lot of us probably gave them credit for. They made this series very very difficult on carolina. There was not much of a margin between those two teams at all carolina. A little bit better. And that's why they won the series. You know what this. This series proved. There's always a debate as to how meaningful face offs are. And if you look at the game tying goal and the winning goal both directly faceoffs. And there's always this debate about the face off doesn't matter there's no proof that face off percentage has anything to do with wins to me. It's all about details. It's are you good at details. And that's what a face off is all about to me to me. It's not so much you win or lose it. But are you a detail oriented team in those situations and nashville on the third goal especially. They didn't pick up dougie hamilton. And that's the one that put them into overtime. We'll just wonder understands like the the are a boat face offs and their value. The argument against putting too much value on face offs is a faceoff is just the beginning of a chain of events and it's one link in a number of possession touches from one player another and we shouldn't give primacy to one link in that chain more than the others. I would maintain generally speaking. I mean we've talked about this before. Sometimes it's better to lose face offs deliberately than to win them but generally. I think it's better to have the puck like a crazy idea the so regardless of how much importance you want to give them. I generally think these things are good to win. And this was proof of it. I felt bad for sorrows. The game when i was actually happy here. It was tipped by otto. Yeah i know because the way he played and he was unbelievable. I'm just glad that there was something that happened at the end of the play. That made it harder for him. Yeah when when a when a went in. I thought while one i'm happy for jacob slaven. He's one of my favorite players. Love is three hundred him in the series ray emails back and he's the the midas touch But then yeah when you realized it was tipped by okay. Yeah a trickier save to make a couple of things in here for this series and and what happens next one. You always look for sort of passed. The torch moments from one to another was this season. And maybe i'll know really not just play. But the the entire season. Was this season pecker rene passing towards to uc sorrows. It was in nashville. I think the biggest question now is is rene going to play again. You know that they had that awesome ovation for him. Yeah at the end of the regular season. We had yosi on our podcast a couple of weeks ago and you know. He said he was hoping that rene we play again. Renee was very careful about his future. He left at kind of open ended. You know chara the instagram post. Ti up the other day. Sure made it sound like he wasn't going back to washington renee didn't leave us as many clues by definitely sorrow. Says the starting goaltender there. I mean it's the passing the torch in both nets who's the starter in carolina. It's a delicate delicate shit. They really thought it was going to be mirage. No he's the guy. And as we've as pointed a few podcasts ago this is the further breaking the mold of every team's goaltender has to be six with three or six foot four. Yup these are smallest goaltenders by nhl standards the toughest thing for me to watch this game though was and i didn't get home till after it happened. I i can go back and watch as the oc injury. I mean this is a guy an incredible talent. A great player. he's great for nashville is great for the league. I just watching him take that hit. You know you're just hoping it's not another concussion. Issue for him. that's a heavy guy. That's short and martineau. And i had no problem with the hit. He he hit his body. It was as yosi was getting rid of the poc did you. Did you have a problem with the hit. No i didn't see anything wrong with the hit. I didn't like what happened. Subsequent to the head has head going into the glass. But i that was tough to watch. That's a great player. As a person you don't wanna see any kind of lasting injury or susceptibility that absolutely so what what happens now in nashville. You can recall very much as i can leading up the trade deadline We all thought it was fire sale. Everything must go. And then fueled by some great play by uc sorrows. And i don't know how many people are gonna have him on their heart list but when you consider the definition of that trophy and what you see saros was able to do with the nashville predators. This year. it's kind of votes standing. I know one person who had soros on their heart balance. I i no one really. Yes but i know one person who did. It's a pretty hipster choice but But it's a it's a pretty cool pretty cool wind to make. It's a pretty cool into to make. Well i think one of the one of the biggest questions think they're going to have is what's at homes future. They're going to extend m. You've got one year left and i do think that probably around the time of the expansion draft you know david poile will look into that and win where homes going to be. I mean i think how we felt about nashville. Now is very different than how we felt about them two months ago. Yeah there were a lot of guys who weren't playing very well. Who played a lot better so i think it could be different. I'm curious to see. Do they keep grantland. Did they find a way to extend him the expansion draft and who they leave on protected. It's going to be very interesting for them very interesting. Yeah because really when you look at david. Boyle's team here. There's a whole lot of business to take care of unless you want to do something to shake the team up unless you wanna move significant body and bring someone new in. I mean everything's kind of set here. You're right about grandma and other significant. Ufa eric khawla other than that. There's not really anything to do. If you're david poile the teams kind of set. Isn't it why. I think that's the thing like now you've gotta deal with echo and the other guy is you know sorrow. Sorrow says are bright's this year and he's also he'll be twenty seven next season so he's a ufa after this summer so next summer. So you know you gotta sign him. Long-term he's got the hammer. Now so those those are probably your two big items of business. You've got to deal with those two guys but other than that. You see quiet. Offseason for nashville. No because i think he'll try to do things because he's david poile now. We look for to carolina and tampa bay. Oh boy two of the top teams in the nhl to fascinating teams to offensively minded teams to really strong teams. Like it's one of those match ups where if this was a stanley cup final. We'd say awesome. Bring it on. Those are two exciting teams to watch. What do you make of this one. Tampa carolina will. What a series. Why come on gimme seven of it right so as we said earlier. This is gonna come down to discipline. Carolina can't take penalties against these guys. They absolutely cannot take penalties against them. This is a huge task for two delta vich i think that vassal ask probably wins the vezina. This year he was number one on my goalie. All star team lazaros was third. I advanced leschi first flurry second and sorrows third in my voting then belkevich. The story with him was great. He was supposed to be an unrestricted. Free agent this year but as he got hot the kirke hurricanes got him into enough games so that he can't be. Ufa this series in our fa. If this guy outduels vassilev ski in this series. His ticket goes up huge. Like it's already going up. His numbers already going up but if he beats vassilev sqi cha-ching changing. Hey are you kidding. I'm going to get ahead of myself here. Are you getting cam ward vibes here too soon. I knew you'd say that. Hey i'll tell you beats lightning for sure then for sure. Look forward to this one dig in tampa carolina. This one should be great and thanks for listening today and things amel staying up way too late to put it together for you. Ll appropriate while. Come on the on francais. The first star as we say in french hamill village Taking us out extract track from the toronto art collective division eighty eight. The most recent project is a visual mix tape of all forty one. Goals scored by austin matthews. This season backed by twenty pieces of original music. That's cool the full video can be found in our show description from division eighty eight. Here's the theme song from poppy. Austin matthews mixed thirty. One thoughts the podcast. Enjoy

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Nov. 1, 2018: From Illegal To Legal

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Nov. 1, 2018: From Illegal To Legal

"We'll start the podcast with Elliot. Taking a call. Okay, elliott. So before we actually start the podcast and talk about things in the piece this week wanna start off by talking about gambling and the relationship between the NHL in MGM resorts. It's always nice when you force people to stand there while you yell at them, and that spirit Elliott the floor is yours. I'm not going to yell at them. You know, you remember, Jeff we both started radio and the best thing about radio wise, you could show up in your jammies. You didn't have to shave and somebody came up with the worst idea ever of putting a radio on TV fabulous sports, babe. The I I think I must was done. I am. So then we started doing this podcast. And again, you know, you can show up. We can show up on our jammies. We don't have to shave or anything like that. And now the YouTubers are here drew and Kevin they put the show on YouTube, and we smarting I'm like, I'm rolling out of bed. I've been up till two in the blog, and I'm like, okay, I could just roll out of bed and go to the show. But no, I have shower. Guys shave. I've got up on a good shirt Drouin. Kevin. I just wanted to say where the latest people who have ruined my life. So thank you very much. Essentially what Elliott is complaining about is hygiene. That's someone is forcing him to clean himself before he goes out in public. If I if I have this right drabber, Chris Farley had the great character on Saturday night. Live of the man who lived in the van the river s I don't show do. To do the air quotes with that. I was actually thought of this while that skit happened to come up as I was actually going around to the other day. And it reminded me, you know, the the phenomenon though of putting video shows on television is a fascinating one. I did it with Bill waters when I was at AM six forty on Leafs lunch. John, Shannon, by the way, that was his idea when he was running leaves TV. I mean, we've seen it plenty of times hce at new now is has been a TV staple now for a number of years of sports NHL network stateside as well. And I always have this philosophical debate with various program directors both radio and television side, I'm of the mind when you simulcast radio show, it should be a radio show that simulcast on television, not a television show that SAMA cast radio as such you shouldn't have to do things like get dressed like put on makeup like you should be able to just treat it. Ause cost that that was really good today by the that's become a yearly staple for that. For the voice. Holloway hockey, central at noon. Doug, MacLean Caprio, David, amber, also thin man lion. And scarecrow feeling. The can't remember when it felt so good. I'm a little scared. Two hours of makeup. Very little for me and especial shutout to Hillary and genetical in our fashion east, the Deb Burman getting out serious getting us into these big time credit, and we go above and beyond here at sports net. I don't know what it is with wigs with me every every Halloween. They got me in a wig. You look good. But I've always liked it. When it's all the shots are over the shoulder. No one is talking to camera you ignore the cameras. There's a keyhole element of it. Like, the idea that you're looking at something you shouldn't be seeing. Whereas right now, it's combination radio show slash TV presentation, such what I'm saying is if I ran the zoo, it would be different. Yes. I always liked his of you're watching something on polish because so much of our stuff is polished hockey night in Canada is very polished. Remember when mccowan show I went onto radio. I wore a t shirt once and they say to me not again, and you watch hockey, central the noon. It was a nice t shirt actually, still had not again, you watch hockey central new now at all of you guys you have to wear jackets and caller. So I do like the like there was a famous show and people who listen in Chicago will know this show the sports reporters on TV, and it was retaliated her. And some guys who were old school, Chicago guys. And I came across some tapes of this once after Sports Illustrated wrote about it and they smoked while they did the show. There was one really Gars from Chicago hitch sportswriters on TV with Bill Jones. Kogo Tribune Sports Illustrated. Rick talented. Come this out. Gratien and yours. Truly your host and moderator then family. Really? Coming up our big centers and endangered specie. His Roger Clements worth more than Nolan Ryan and something wrong at Notre Dame. Plus, the travails of left-handers women fishing for bass and the most memorable sports photos of all time. And we'll ask the question. Should you? Throw your partner cellular phone into a water has. Yes, now, Greg, San Sony. I think he was joking. When he said this when we were working at the score and initially we first started, and we were trying to get ratings up, Greg. The idea of we should smoke on television. Because people would definitely watch and say sect, those are the guys who smoke on TV cigarettes, cigars, whatever. I like good cigar once in awhile and the other day like Eric Smith tweet when I was wearing the sunglasses, and what were you? Whatever that day, and he's like, I don't even know the two of you guys. Anyone t-shirt is people get shocked when they see Inc on people that are on television. But that's right. But I would love to do one totally unpolished thing. Like, I would love to do one show once where and I might get fired for this. But what the heck like we opened up a two for and we started and we finish see where the show goes. You know, there are other things that are legal in this country. Now that we could I I don't know of Rogers is ready for that. But I like I like on polish and with you televisions. And because everything we do is so polish I would like to do one. That is so off the rails to see where it takes. But that's like anything. I've I find right now. Right. Was Leonard Cohen line. You know, everything has a crack that's how the late gets in like things that are to polish kinda get weird about like I wanna little one a little. I got one a little human. I want some steaks. I don't want things. This town pitch perfect. Yeah. I'm with you. I've always found that you know, when it's to polish into perfect. I kind of don't like it, but to the point of radio. Yeah. I like the idea that this is these are radio shows that are on television. But as we do them now at your point. Hey, get the callers and the jackets on guys those are decisions made by TV executives. Yup. I gave who Zepeda at the fan would be just fine with the showing up in dry fits in shorts. Lops and okay, just go do the radio show. But it seems if now more so than ever sports radio is being simulcast on because it's cheap. It's really it's easy to it's cost effective and people watch like I shop like, wow, this is kinda neat. And I started doing lunch with waters on all. This is going to be interesting to people for about five minutes because we've been the industry for while you think like how interesting could be seeing the inner workings of of a radio studio. It's not that exciting people dig it people like that. Liked to see how the sausage is made. Even if it's as boring as two guys staring at each other as they talk. I remember when Yager was acquired by the Rangers from Washington. His first game was in Ottawa, and I leave the Sanders kill them. It was like nine to one or something like that. But it was a hockey night in Canada gain. And after the game Yager had agreed to talk to Ron by earpiece out of the game. And even when they got killed. He's still agreed to do it. And the cameras showed our technicians as they wired him up and got, you know, put the IFP autumn put the microphone on him the packs, and all that it was looking at this saying who would want to watch this like why are we showing this number later that week I going for dinner with a couple of my buddies. And they said, you know, we really liked watching. Was you guys putting the stuff I? Yeah. Because they just wanted to see how it was interesting for them to see how it all worked like more. I've heard that unless I'm surprised that this stuff works works in news to Moses. Timer was city. TV news. In that newsroom in the eighties. I mean that was revolutionary finding. So it's not just half, man. Half woman half desk. This is around. Yes is hey, Peter gross at his desk, delivering the sports amorous goski wandering around as she presents international news. And here's every car accident that happened to the Toronto. If it bleeds it leads, you know, the the lesson. Okay. Without will kick off the podcast to any chilling gambling here in a second. This is thirty one thoughts the podcast brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC. Sierra the now. Elliot. Jeff, Scott more here. Thank you for the nice thing. You said about me. And there was no real reason to do that. Because I can no longer fire you, and that is the greatest disappointment of me leaving this job. And I wanted to set the record straight on something, Elliot. I absolutely have no recollection of meeting. You is eighteen year old. And actually, I have no recollection of you telling me the story of you meeting me as an eighteen year old. So clearly you didn't make an impression on either way. And the person at CBC who told you that I was not a fan of yours was absolutely incorrect. I was a fan of yours coming into the CBC and you've done nothing. But show me why I should be an even bigger fan of yours. Now, I do remember meeting Geoff Merrick for the first time it was at Duns restaurant on king street when Joel darling and I offered him a job. So Elliott, I'm afraid is slightly more memorable than you. But look you guys have done an outstanding job both on television on radio. And also now in the new podcasting world, I'm really thrilled that we decided to put thirty one thoughts together as a podcast. I think it ended up being inspired casting to put you two together. And as I've said now several times the only way I can find the time to listen to your incredibly long podcast was to quit my job. So if you're looking for me, I'll be the guy with the year. Buds in chuckling at your thirty one thoughts for the next few years. Jersey, boys. More is the best. That's are. Now. Former boss, Scott more. I remember that conversation, by the way at tons like it was just it was stunning. It was just an informal. Scott. Just emailed me one. Is it? Hey, you wanna get together for breakfast? And no idea what I was doing after noon radio with a six forty local sports talk radio. And that was a conversation completely remember walking into Dunne's tonight. Saw scott. What's darling doing there? And all of a sudden, it was like when he'd have a confidential discussion with you, and my life changed that set me on. This course that one conversation at tons in on king street. Would you eat? I don't think I even eight because when I remember meetings like that I never choose the I don't want embarrass myself. I don't wanna spill anything. I don't want to have anything in my teeth. I usually just have a coffee or a water or juice and never eat at meetings. Like that. Do you depends all have something healthy eat healthier than I normally do. I'd be afraid of drinking's. I would spill over my shirt or something, but I'll have a salad or something like that. That's risky. Salads are tough, man. Well, we have on it. But you can make a mess yourself. With a buddy of mine told me that he saw a guy lose a job once because he ordered the most expensive thing in a menu at a law clerk dinner because someone else was was picking up the tab, the company said, we're taking you guys out for dinner, and he went out and he took advantage. You know, he ordered like the most expensive steak like the Kobe for something like. That and there and it was still later. Hope Scott's enjoying there's earlier there is a term for that CLA career. Limiting move. Don't do it. Yeah. Best of luck in whatever capacity you fill next Scott as we mentioned in previous. We've always been consistent about this podcast isn't isn't on the air without Scott more. So thank you for that. So he's essentially calling someone at CBC you had a conversation with a liar. There's a lot of liars in this business. No, I don't know. What somebody did tell me that I will say that. But it's a relevant now. It's ancient history. We move on. Thank goodness. We move on to talk about gambling MGM resorts. And the NHL this deal, which I crack me if I'm wrong the NHI's is for at the start of next seas. Yes. So formalizing relationship with GM. And as you pointed out in thirty one thoughts, we talked about this on Mondays TV show. This is more about selling data than anything else. Now. Let me just say you can attest to this, you know, Duggan berkey. Oh, man, we're talking about all the all of the gambling stuff. And I said this is all about the data. And the two of them were ripping me. They're like, oh, this is so exciting Elliott. We can't wait to hear you talk about it in their defense. It was pretty hilarious. I I laughed. It was good. He did not turn the tap off. On you thought they were they were summing-up there. Still add enough just going out you all night. They were relentless the two of those guys. But to me, that's that's what the story is about and data rules the world. That's what Google is based on. And that's what y'all who is based on Facebook is based on all those big media companies, basically control everything that we see here in read that's based on data. And that's what this is about in at the bottom level. Basically, the National Hockey League has been no the fiddle around with some of this stuff the all star game in Columbus in two thousand fifteen it did in the World Cup in two thousand sixteen initially. It was all about improving their broadcasts for the partners. And now it's about the gambling and how quickly they can get this information in real time. The data the process of inventing the mechanism to collect it. This is a process we've been involved with for years, and it wasn't a niche or vision visioned develop it for sports betting. It was as a broadcast Hansman, and as a second screen data collection device to bring fans closer to the game. As we've said the amount of revenue that we're going to generate is secondary to the fan engagement. And in fact, the technology we're going to use to create the data. We think will be using with our national broadcast partners both in Canada and the US and the regional broadcast partners and on streaming digital platforms. So the fact that we may be in a position to create that that you can only get from us in real time is a plus in the sport. Vetting environment. That's what we're looking at here is that's what MGM and the other partners who eventually sign up with the gel want the hard data because it allows them to set proper lines and do it fast. Jeff. Ideally, what Rogers want someday is that you're sitting at home or you're out somewhere. And you're watching a game on your phone or your ipad or your TV and Connor mcdavid has a penalty shot or he gets tripped. Score on the power play this and then click how much I wanna bet click. Yes, or no. And that's what they want and the best way to set the odds and people will say, well, you can easily say, yes. No. Or they scoring on the power play. What they want are the best way to set the odds to determine what your likelihood of success or failure is how to set the lines and that allows them to do that what type of information that is actually being sold you and I had this conversation on Monday. Is it just player in for may? Nation is it just information on the ice? Is it injury information? What does that mean for injury disclosure end something United scusi other day does information about officials become part of it? You know, I meant to ask about that. And I will you know, I didn't have time to finish that this week. But I do know that teams keep books on fficials like, they know. Okay. I record is like this with this guy or this guy tends to call a lot of this kind of penalties. Most teams from what I understand keep a book on official. So I don't know if that'll be public. But I think that the teams know that information I always assume if the teams know that information there's somebody out there gambling. Who knows that information? If you're saying the line, you know, wanna know like, okay, who's okay? Let's say Pittsburgh's powerplays firing at twenty seven twenty eight percents. They're going into tonight's match up against the bottom feeding team. And this is an official that calls a minimum of eight minor penalties for in the morning because it's. It's on the game is different a wonder if that type of information is fed as you as you set the line like how relevant that becomes. I'm not trying to you. And I have talked about before it's very interesting with the flyers in the seventies with our skull in his record. And mail Francis of the Rangers was outrage when they put art schools record for the Philadelphia Flyers when art was -ficiating and somebody, you know, forty two and three or something like that got a standing ovation at the spectrum Rangers players like what is going. What is it a referee and a standing ovation? But there was like I wonder if you're the one setting the line is that not completely relevant information for that game -absolutely. And I would bet they know the books on all these and how it Stephen welcome in the officials feel about that. What can you do the horse out of the barn? No. I get that. But I mean is that another layer pressure for all the NHL officials because listen, everyone has a record, right? Okay. Wes mccauley. Here's your record when the Pittsburgh Penguins. Play. Here's your record. When you're a -ficiating Buffalo Sabres game Los Angeles Kings Dallas Stars game. I think it's only pressure Jeff if you allow it to be pressure. Those guys would be concerned about it. Well, I'm saying some of them might be. Yeah. But I bet you some of them aren't what's most curious thing for you for this entire MGM resorts, which is going to turn into. I am curious about how they're going to do the player tracking. Like, so for example. There's one company called sport vision. It's been by now owned by company called SM tea. But when they were sport vision, they did the all star game in Columbus. And they did the World Cup, and they are generally seen as the industry leader. They created the first and ten line in football. They run the pitch FX in baseball. And they also wrote the hits code for the shell dot com website. Now one thing I did here was a league didn't like their POC at the World Cup. They just didn't like it. They just fell wide. They didn't like the two piece nature of it. I just heard the like it the way was put together with the chip and everything they just felt it was quote, unquote, different structurally was their integrity to I. Well, that is one of Batman's biggest fears like he does like it's his job to think of what's the worst thing that can happen. Like, for example, a lot of people who know gambling a lot better than I do say that you have to worry less than ever about NHL games getting fixed. If you look at all the things that get fixed now like tennis matches and things like that. They're generally low level off the beaten path tennis matches the biggest ones don't get fixed. And they say that it's this too much attention on NHL games to fix them. I never worried and I don't worry about the integrity of our game. The integrity of our game has been strong throughout a period where virtually all the betting has been not through legal sports books. But my view was we were the first team I league in Las Vegas and. And we all needed to get a comfort level as to how it was going to work, but we've been comfortable from the outset. But again, the integrity that we talk about is integrity in a relationship integrity as it relates to their sports book. But I've never expressed an issue about the integrity of our game in our players for which I have total confidence, but Bettman has to worry about that. That's always his question by hand positive because there's one physician that can't affect it. Pretty quickly a goal year referee or glove three times three nothing pretty much games over. Well. The thing is the problem is how much money these guys making now like it's harder to do that not impossible, Jeff, but it's harder. And that's what the gamblers say. But anyway, but every time he has a meeting Batman's jobs to go in there and saying what happens if my game gets fixed because of this. The same thing with the puck. He has to go in there. And he has to say what happens if I'm in overtime in game seven of Stanley Cup final. And someone comes down the is and blast the puck and it splits in half and half. The puck goes the puck goes. The corn? We've seen it before that's his nightmare. He has to ask. That's his job to ask that question. So I heard he didn't like the puck. And that's one of the things they've kind of struggled with now I've heard that other companies have been invited to try to do the tracking. And it's not yet where it needs to be. And right now, they've got a contract tracking. What's happening on the? Tracking player information and pock. I'm tired. Okay. An puck now initially last year the league was trying to do something without chips, and we found out about that. Because they said they didn't necessarily need player approval to do it. Because if you're not using chips, you don't need player approval. At least that was their position on the issue. Right. I heard that's gone away. And now I understand they are trying a player and puck chip system. And someone told me that the club team at UNLV is one of the groups of players that they're testing with this and the company they're using a German company that runs a program called John Moe, which transmits it by radio waves. And what I don't know. Because nobody will tell me is if it's fast enough yet. Like, that's the thing you want. It's gotta be fast and SM t- from what I understand they're supposed to be the fastest. But right now the NHL trying something else. Don't know the reason there might be a good reason. I don't know. But right now, people aren't telling me what it is. Do we have a sense now of or avait estimation? Should the NHL does of how much money this is going to bring in and just runs this does count as HR? Yes. It does players do participate in this this affects you know, how much they'll pay an escrow how much the higher the cap goes how much is this gonna move the needle for the NHL? I heard not a lot at the beginning the other I wanna find out about this the term of the deal because I think that's an interesting to the NBA deal with MGM is three years at an like the NHL deal. The NBA deal is not exclusive. So I think that the way they're going to move it is they'll sell it to different places, and if it's short term, and it really works, then when it's over you can resell it to make it more money. So I heard in the intro and the beginning, they're not expecting to make a big windfall. Where I think. They're also hoping for this to make a big difference. Jeff is the NHL US TV rights are up in a couple years. Right. It is believed that ESPN is going to be back in now. Maybe NBC maintains the major rights ESPN gets a game of the week. There's all sorts of different rumors back there. But I think they're going to be different than we are here. I think there's going to be multiple rightsholders. There's a study out there. And I did ask a couple of people about this. What you're really hoping for in the NHL is what happens if in the next couple of years, you can conclusively prove that as you gamble on games. There's more interest in them. That's a huge part of part of this. I think is well is about the meteorites is the fly paper that this now provides for fans. This is always been the argument about injury disclosure in the more information you have available for players in your sport. The more reason fans will get attached to it. The more you hide that. The more. You try to shield away information, the less. Fly paper there is for people to attach themselves to your sports. I have no I don't believe injury reports. Like people say all the NFL. They're so honest with their injury report. It's total Bs us elbow shin came out a couple years ago. Instead that Tom Brady had a concussion he was never on the injury report. So I mean, it's all what you choose to believe they're always going to hide it if they can. But Jeff, I do believe that is the key is do the NHL meteorites, especially in the states because we can't do this yet become more valuable because of the engagement from gambling. And that I think is a huge bet to interesting. Okay. We'll Jamil by the way, you gambler gambler. But you know, we were talking with this on Monday to I think if I'm watching on you know, Rogers NHL live Columbus Minnesota game. And you know, we're Inskeep gets hauled down in. Columbus goes on a play. And some pops up on my fat and says, what do you want to put on his power play five bucks? Yeah. I would probably do it in a fly. Fly rules. I do hockey pools. I do football pools. I don't really gamble on individual games. But I could see myself doing it just for fun. I would do gambler. My wife is going to have to hide the remote from me. There's there's no question about this. I'm I'm sure Steph is glued to this podcast right now. So I have a body. I'm not this bad. I'd like to tell the story. I don't body. He was a smoker, and he quit smoking in one of the ways, you quit smoking. Was you picked up gambling? And he told me that the one that we go over his house to play cards like I love the play cards, but we just can't do it anymore. Anyway, he says Elliott who do you like tonight the rough riders of the stampede IRS? Look at him. And goes, isn't it the exhibition season the CF L? All you got a bet like you are sad, man. One problem and replaced with another. That's great. You come out come out the same. We'll follow that story. I always find it. Interesting. When you write about coaches K, and one of the more interesting coaches to me, and we reference them last week on the podcast is Paul MAURICE. Yup. To initially no Paul little bit. When I was doing color for the Marlies games on radio with John Bartlett thousand nine right? Yeah. Paul was Paul was the head coach. So I got say, you know, ride bus with Paul talk, you know, about hockey enough at the front, and then of course, talked to him, you know, before and after h games, I find him one of the more interesting guys we mentioned last week. Maybe the best deadpan in the entire NHL coaching fraternity. And he's a smart guy too. And your piece this week. He talks about coaching with the weight of expectation. Yeah. For probably the first time in his career. Look at this excessive Paul Maries. You think of course, Carolina Hurricanes and those were teams and the one that almost made it all the way flamed out against the Troy those are teams that had zero. Expectation is this the first time the Paul's really coaching where Evelyn saying it's the you in the press coming out of the west I asked him if it was all different two thousand three because they gone to the Stanley Cup final the year before and they lost Detroit. And he said that team still had no expectations on it. Like, nobody believed in them. So this is very different. And I thought his answer was interesting because yes because we deserved. It was better. We had spent so much to get there. We were at have step off in what we did. So what? That is to find that. It's Vata the end is what you're you. Don't do whole lot. By the time. You're rolling playhouse coaches open the door, right? You're trying to. Right frequency for your team. I didn't find that. So when I thought about it later, I felt I shouldn't have been so surprised because that's a very coachee answer. Right. You expect coach to say something to you like that say, okay, all these things are good. But here's what I have to fix. It is interesting though, Marinus I looked it up fifteen years ago. He was the most tenured coach in the National Hockey League. When he was started the two thousand three or four season with Carolina. Nobody had been a coach in the NHL longer than him. Now here we are fifteen years later. He was thirty six he's fifty one now and he's third behind Joel Quenneville and John Cooper. I think it's amazing. He's still a pretty young guy. He looks pretty good at fifty wine. Yeah. He's been doing this a long time. Yes, I'll longtime and I think, you know, I look at coaches now, and you know, a Connie Mack. And I know I'm really hitting the generation Zad when. Connie Mack sat in a suit in the Philadelphia as dugout for fifty years. Like, I can't imagine anybody coaching for fifty years anymore. I think the pressure on these guys is greater than ever. I think the amount of work. They're expected to do is greater than ever. I don't know of anybody has worst work life balance than than many coaches, I see an honor boards hundred percents. The guy wonder if you're starting to coach now in this era. How many people are going to live ten years fifteen years like I look at Quenneville and I look at Bella check. And I look at these guys, and I can't believe they're able to do it. I get the same spot. I get the when you walk away from the game or the game kicks you out. The wanna stay involved in some capacity and coaching obvious one for a lot of guys. But given what these guys go through and your work life. Balance point is is a great one because they're first of the rink. And lastly, and it's headaches and you live and die every period. I don't know why you would choose it. When you know, you'll you'll level of stress is going to be and how this is going to be so harmful for your health. Mentally and physically why you would choose it. And even now more so than ever, and like we're just getting out of October in transition to November now, and let's just think back to you know, the first three four weeks of the season, we've had healthy scratches, the players that Kevin shattenkirk and Carl all's ner like high profile j Bohm Easter veteran guys getting factors. No, he's that. He's going to ease into the season. It's get to the playoffs starting in October. Where every game means a ton. There's no we're gonna hit our stride sometime after Christmas. There's none of that. Like you start with a sprint? And that's why you see things I think like high impact veteran players getting scratched because there's no waiting for the sky to settle in to ease into the season anymore. Your head coach every. Single game means a ton more. So than ever that's what he's against scratch. There's nothing I hate reporting on more than coaches in trouble. Like, I generally I hate reporting a lot on things like that affect people's lives. Right. Trae rumors for some reason coaches being in trouble. They drive me crazy than anything else. And we know what's going on there last year. I had heard that, you know, Jeff Blache Al was close and Ken Holland denied it and he backed up his talk. But I felt terrible after I mentioned it, and even even this we last couple of weeks, you know, Nick Morgan talking about Mike Yohan John Stevens. Oh, we all know. It's there. You know? I hate mentioning like there's a Latvian Yohan today in the blog. I mentioned Sheldon Keefe. And just because I feel like you're almost being like a vulture. You're you're you're looking at the carcass. But it's news, and you have to do it. But it really is the thing that I like the least is. Discussing people's future. What's going to happen? Dave hostile. No just had the jump in there doing watch their game last night. I did you know, I felt you know, the Anaheim guys you could just see the sag. That's a really proud team to like, I've always I've always liked the docks. I liked the fact that they're tough. I liked the pride that they have in themselves. I liked teams can play it any way you want. And that's why I like Winnipeg. And that's why I've liked Anaheim. But you could see last night when that Philadelphia goal went in after they just tied it like they were so ecstatic Tiet and that goal away, and you can just see the sag on their bench. It's it's tough, man. That's a proud team. I do wanna get the Philadelphia. Let's do it. Now, where's everybody out with right now, you know, with Ron Hextall went to bad for his coaches? Everybody in Philadelphia was screaming for his head last season stuck with and I admired that mar the way both those guys handled. Hacksaw unflappable. Yeah. Just go forward. Head down do the work game in game out pre sheet and respect that where's Philly out right now because fans are hot no Hextall, obviously he comes out last week. And he makes his comment that we've got to do something soon. Well, we need to impact performances from your whole group if not all we'll see what's what's out there. That's trying to make your team better every every day, and when we're playing like this, you know, I it's concerning. So we need we need to show up on a more regular basis ready to go from minute one to the minute sixty percent in terms of we gotta win or something changing. And you know, what that says to me, Jeff it's that last year. His message was I'm backing my guy. And this year, it's different. And when your general manager, you know that when things go badly, you can hold off the enemies at the gates for a while. But after they're either going to start seeping through or you have to make a concession that. You don't wanna make to stop that from seeping through and to me that availability last week from Ron Hextall was him saying, you know, I've held back whoever in the organization wants change for a while. Yeah. I can't I'm doing to lose that battle or I might not be able to do that for much long elbow starting to ban. Donald Duck all through the dyke. Now, the interesting thing about this is they haven't been a team that's been mentioned a lot with knee Lander. But they could do it. They have pieces that I think Toronto could like so who've we mentioned we've mentioned if Toronto gets to this point, we've mentioned, Los Angeles. We've mentioned Minnesota Carolina. Definitely they're all over the place there. But I really do believe that if the stealth team that has what Toronto would want would be the flyers. If you were a coach, and you are offered a position with the team. What would your first question be back to the general manager? First question would be. One of the great things. I was told was if you have earn a position where you don't have to take a job where you can take job because some people have to take a job there, isn't that. Great. And some people can't take a job and your first question should be. How can you convince me that this team can win? And I'm not talking about the roster. I'm talking about ownership the way you do business. Does your owner back? You none as you back. Does you back you financially or does he or she back? You emotionally. Are they in your corner? Do the hop off the bus. I how are they after three losses in a row? Are they calling the dressing room? All the time. Like that is what what one guy who I know how to choice of jobs says to me is the the one time that I had choice jobs. I picked the owner. I research the owner because the owner is set the tone for your entire. Organization, and if that person is stable and runs a good business. You can win. If that person is not stable and runs a bad business. You can't win. And so that's what I would say. I would ask questions about the owner. See you're more thoughtful than I am because my answer would be who's the goalie? So that's an obvious question. Like, I like if I'm going to a job interview with you and you're interviewing for a job. And by the way, you could never hire anybody better than me. I would just like to say, oh is that right? So if you're the GM, and I'm the coach I know about your roster. I know what you're powerplay was last year. I know what you're penalty kill last year. I know the way you played. I know you're systems. I know your rotations. I know all that stuff. What I don't know. And I've only heard secondhand is what happened behind the team. I wanna know is your owner going to be calling me every day. The first time we lose two games in a row. As is. Here's she going to be like, this sucks. That to me is the big question joke about the guy that goes to the job interview. In the interviewer says, what's your worst quality and says, my worst qualities to honest. I can't lie. It's impossible in the universe. Bad quality thing that's kind of admirable. And the guy says, I don't care what you think. At that. There is really working or not the reason I say goaltender is you look at the history of the jackass atoms coach of the year, and you draw the straight line between the cocoa for sure I know guys teams that have gone on PD. Oh bender's. And all of a sudden, you know, it's trophy eight does happen. But I don't know if there's any position in hockey more tightly related to the coach, then the golden L avenue has a line. If your goal is better than lie. Goeller UN if my goal is better than your goal. I win. It's true. It's totally true. A love the youth goal or. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not French Canadian accent cliff Letcher still the only one that I know personally the calls. They'll call them Golders consistently click legend, you mentioned the goaltenders. Oh, yeah. He's good Goeller. We worked Calgary Flames not too long ago Calgary Monday, and they've won back to back games as we record this podcast being in front of me believes beating the Buffalo Sabres. And you bet the point that Calgary's at a place. Now, where they need things to settle with their lying that Bill Peters needs the is up very much of the mind that we need to settle what our lines are going to be and just leave them alone for a while on we're else's Calgary at these days. If you noticed the more teams as you're playing man to man in their own zone. Have you noticed that you're starting to see more of it once time, Colorado, we talked about this with Brian Riley last week for half a season. Yeah. As a freak VR seeing more. Well, when you lose your sinus, your dad's Ville, there's a bit of hybrid nece to it. I think I think there's a mix of it. But I thought I saw Calgary trying to play it. And I it allows you to do is set casual picks. Yes. But the thing is one of the players had to me was believe me. We didn't lose to Pittsburgh because we're playing man to man, we lots of Pittsburgh's or a bunch of morons against the rush. And the they talked a lot about that is, you know, just being less Dom. I think or less stupid. I can't remember I wrote in front of me is what he said to me when they were playing against the rush. Rush. You know, I think the Smith Riddick thing is interesting. You'll Riddick last year was really good. And then when Smith got hurt he struggled with the load, but he's been very good for them. This year together were dinged up for that stretch guys. Throwing in the towel calories may alive changes the need to just get guys get used to each other. Now, I thought it was really interesting that for Li got bumped up to the second line on a Monday in Toronto thought he was pretty good and he played over fifteen minutes. And then the next night in buffalo. He played I think eight beginning of the year. It was Sam Bennett who was the guy Bill peers didn't seem to have a lot of time for that's changed. And now, it's freak. So we'll see where that goes. But you know, the one thing about Calgary is they went to China, which was a crazy trip because of between the typhoon that was there and the travel, and the fact that a lot of the gear didn't add costumes problems. Then you come back it really affected them. And they have. Weird schedule this year. They've already had to two game eastern road trips. Yeah. If they get through this and right now, they're in first place played a couple more games. And everybody else if they get through this. I think they're going to be okay. I refuse to believe that this team is as bad as shown at some points early in the year. I think on paper, they're pretty good. Just one of those goalies has to hold Brian Burke brings up the point. And did so again on Monday, and we did the flames game that the problem with the flames is they're breaking in three young defensemen. Yes. And that's can break in one stretch it a two, but when you have three and he does throw a Hannifin into that equation with razzmatazz Anderson and Machi it's challenging. Yeah. When when you have that many enact key position to do. I think that's very fair. I mean, how many times is it team won with three rookie defenseman seldom if ever? Yeah. I can remember the San Francisco forty Niners winning with three rookie defensive backs. But that's close. Beliefs broke in three that was the year. They went to these conference file right cabriolet Mark off and Trump on the Trump. Yup. With three, but I've only did that and said good luck with that one. Yes. Hannifin? Love the foot speed, you know, cover of the foot. Remember, they could see that. Here's the thing about having everybody recognizes he's going to play fifteen years because he has all the tools. I think that him and Carolina. They were ready to divorce at the end the hurricanes were disappointed, and he was disappointed in them. You know now you come to Canada you can hide a bit in Carolina can't hide and Canada. Sometimes I think we we don't hear a lot of guys. And we mistake that for they're not that good. I don't think that's the case with him. I think he is a good player. But I just expect more there that because he the size and the foot speed and you say to yourself. Wow. This guy there's so many to I know he doesn't have a cannon from the point. But you look at the physical skill set. You look at when he can do with his feet and you say to yourself I'm expecting some offense of production with this. I don't even think it's offensive production. Like not everybody you can make a good first pass and not get a lot of points. You can still be a really good player that way. But I just think that there's there's more there. People talk to me about him in Carolina said that that's exactly what it was like, maybe we're making a mistake because we see him as the fifth overall pick, and we expect the fifth overall pick to be greater than he is. Maybe you know, the look at we're asking. And pro Viraat drafter behind him in your thing. He should be at their level. Someone had a really good Saint about Yoenis Brodine out of Minnesota. They said that Yoenis putting is the kinda guy who could play twenty years the National Hockey League and say, wow, he played twenty years. But you still think there should be more there? That's kind of the way I think about Hannifin right now he could play twenty years in the league because he's so skilled, but I just wanna see more isn't that the goal and pound people through the boards. He doesn't have to have the twenty goals year. But it's just less. Good stuff happens on the ice when he's out there. And I thought it would. But it's still early other Elaine home is really been something. And by the way, he's been Johnny. Johnny Goudie wrote next level hasn't been incredible. He's been their best player. But you're right about allies Lynn home. He's come in the organization, he does play center. They haven't planned the wing Peter's use them in the middle plenty with the Carolina Hurricanes, and if you look at all the. Zarni comes in. And Ryan mentioned Hannifin comes in as well. A lot of turnover Nike flame squad to me. The best player out of all of livings deals, Leisler home. He's been great great for the team and James Neal isn't James Neal yet is that because James Neal is not an James Neal spot it could be, but it's it's sorta like the chicken or the AIG part of the reason is that he's not playing up high. But Secondly, you're not putting them on that first line right now the way it's going, but he just seems quiet like James Neal James knows really good. He's a pain in the ass. He really annoys you. I haven't noticed a lot of pain in the ass nece yet from him like part of me wonders of this is a guy who really thought he was going to be in Vegas long-term. And it's still surprised he isn't. And he's getting over the shock and disappointment of that. But he isn't James Neal yet, much leg. Yes. You pull Yar V is not. Yes, he. A RV yet. We don't know what that's going to be. No, he's been scratched a bunch for games. Specifically the other Alberta team where you add on Edmonson right now. The best thing happened in last week was dry sil- going. I mean mcdavid is spectacular. He'll carry that team on his back. But in the first couple of weeks of the season. They hadn't scored a goal and dry side on the ice mcdavid. Wasn't. I think they were outscored four to nothing. I think overall before the Pittsburgh game last Tuesday. They were outscored six to one when he was on the ice without mcdavid. And now last week, I think it was six to one with him on the ice without mcdavid as good as mcdavid is. And he's phenomenal. They won't be successful unless dry silos driver too. And last week. He was a driver. He was a big time driver. And that to me was the best thing that happened to them was dry Seidel found himself finish thoughts on one team. In one player. We worked in Minnesota Vancouver game together on. Your thoughts on Patterson and your thoughts on the Minnesota wild going into that game against Vancouver on a five game rip loss game. And then came back in envy, Edmonton, two nights later, but where you out on the wild. Yeah. Duban expend phenomenal. We've been talking about John Gibson. We've kind of left out Doog Nick who had a great star of the air until he got tune that night in Vancouver was a nine forty five. Save percentage. You know, I start making a list of guys who are Masterton guys will Ryan Suter. He got hurt last year. There were people in Minnesota told me they thought his career might be over. And not only is he back at the beginning of the year. He's playing fantastic. Now, he got turned by mcdavid last night. But that's going to be like a badge of honor. That's going to have to everybody. He shows mcdavid forces more nameplates to appear than anybody Monday night. We showed a board though, Doug of all the wild who are thirty and over like, I didn't even realize it. So they've got to find an injection of youth. I think Paul Fenton is looking. But you know, they have a pick curl capris off and Russia's in the cage how he signed a three year deal before last season. And the wild realize that they didn't do a good job of opening up a relationship with him and recruiting him and Chuck Fletcher went overseas last year met him face to face and said, we want you here now Chuck Fletcher's, obviously gone. I think Fenton is gonna do the same thing. But I heard a rumor in the summer the owner Craig Leopold was going to go over to Russia to meet him. So capris signed of three year deal. He's got one year left after this year, and they want him here. After that. I heard Leopold was going to go over. Now, he had hip surgery. I don't think he's going to be able to go. But I thought that would have been a fascinating story if the owner was going they need some youth and elite it's Trenton young, you know, he's going to be a big player for them if they can get them over in two years during Greenway then Eric's, I know they're looking for more blue of Lukanen as well. Quickly on a way to break. LES Pederson was fantastic in Minnesota on on Monday. Nights. And this kid shows zero signs of slowing down in this is coming off of a concussion. Well, I think that's the number one thing you like is that he didn't look afraid locking shots, although Burkey didn't like free. It was blocking from right? Wanted to get the Sabines away from the puck stealing. He was there. So I looked it up. He's shooting forty four percent. The first guy we looked at this year was Matthews. It's come back down a bit. He's shooting forty four percent. The best rookie shooting percentage. I'll history two guys who play with Mariela MU warranty on. Oh, yeah. Point five percent end up getting paid from the Red Wings. Thank you Mary. Rob brown. Thirty percent, right. He probably won't stay at forty five percent. But he's doing that early without Maryland mute passing tone. But it was just amazing. You know, the Lemieux effect still there, you know, thirty years later, those guys still have the records. All right hit a break. When we come back. Jason Spencer of the Dallas Stars on thirty one thoughts. GMC? Sierra Denali sets a higher standard in a full-size pickup for purposeful technology and performance features. Like apple carplay keeps you connected to what matters most and an available four hundred twenty horsepower six point two liter engine gives you the power to take on any challenge lead the way like a pro with the GMC Sierra GMC, we are professional grade. Back here center in Montreal on Jason if you will for good reason. Recognized here in the building. Game. Airlines player. Number ninety. Gain also sixty third against the Canadians. These active player points leader against the half sixty nine points. One of every five goals game winner against them in. Jason classy pro who's done everything. Right. He's been a good teammate everyone. Everyone respects him in the game officials come up and talk to one the bench night in night out. You know? Withers linesman draws or preferable called. He just has a lot of respect, and, you know, special night for us to be part of that is correct. The podcast alongside Elliott Friedman. And please be joined now by someone who just celebrated his one thousand that game in the NHL against the much gains in Montreal Jason spots of the Dallas Stars, by the way. Did you know congrats second? Did you know that Montreal was gonna do that pause for you? No, not at all. I was completely shocked and almost little overwhelmed. I was pretty big honor to be recognized in the city like that. And city where I played lots of games, I'm pretty thankful the cane organization did that Elsom always remember fickle flexing. I mean, I know that when players talk amongst players how many games did you play. Is that big on where to one thousand media? Yeah. It's it isn't important milestone because it shows longevity and commit yourself to the game. So I feel like it's not something you come into league thinking about, but as you get going definitely becomes a bit of a goal, and especially I had some health issues through the mid part of my career where you know, it seemed like it was a long ways off so to be healthy now for fusion row and to. Feel good. I think it's something. I'm very proud of. You know, Jason you're in the spotlight from you were fifteen years old. Yeah. Every every hockey fan the country kinda was made aware your name, and we can never right. Our futures are stories, but I know this is a really broad question. But when you go back to fifteen and you think of how your career in your life win, how close did it come to what you imagined or hoped. It would be. Yeah. It's tough question. But I'm happy with my career, and I've been establish a family will play in the league. And I would like to have one by now. But I still got a few more years to try to do that. We knocked on the door few times. That's the one regret that you have or one thing that's some still chasing his win the Stanley Cup. That's what we play for. But as far as, you know, personal success and be no the play thousand games and just being able to be in the league and be as productive. I've been I think that's all you can ask for it that way. But I think that you never know what you're going to be when you're fifty. There's all the hyphen. You just kinda take Dave day. And you don't really look too far ahead in the future. So I think it's all right back then to to fifteen year old Jason spats first time. I saw you playing on STAN butlers Brampton squad Raffi Torres on that team as well. To Elliott's point. Everybody knows the name Jason spetsnaz early your expectations of hockey. And at what point did it become legitimate that hey, you know, what I've got a shot at making hockey more than just somebody due to goof around with my buddies. I love the game. I've loved it since I was a kid like it doesn't feel like work me to go to the rank even now I think part of the beauty of it is like all the emotions that go with it. So I think I've never had a hard time with that. So as a fifteen year old, I think I just wanted to get better. You're always looking to improve. And I felt like I could be neat player in the NHL. And at that age, you think. What age do you think? Hey, I got a shot at this. I say when I was thirteen I started to kind of be a little bit better than everybody at fourteen was a huge year for me. I went to school at same. Mike's. I practiced every morning by myself. My dad would drop me off at the rink. And he was a working downtown. So we drive from Mississauga and he dropped me off early for school. I'd skate I'd go play on the school team. And then I'd go play again at night for Tronto Marley's. So I played hockey that year all the time. And I just felt like my game went to another level. And just that's when I really felt like, okay, I can do something here for the first time. We have something in common because nowhere in that. Did you mention you went to class? Yeah. So very similar in that kind of way, you know, I it's it's interesting because you always you talked about something that I really do believe separates the good from the great. And that is that you love hockey. And I know that you know, we've got four daughters. Home. So I know you're running around a lot, but you liked to watch it. So if you could sit down one night and watch any two teams play in the National Hockey League. Which teams would you pick who it's tough question. I like watching Pittsburgh because city someone have a lot of respect for in the way he plays the game. But Gino is a guy that I really like watching because he's kind of a big rangy guy, and I can kind of take stuff from his game and try to put it into my game. And then mcdavid is just electrifying. Like if he's on TV, I wanna see what he's up to because he's pulling you out of your seat. Whether you're player not and he's he's special. So those are probably the teams that I'd like to watch the most I don't think too many people would argue with that pick do pretty good. He turns defense frequent. Game St Louis his first NHL game. He's going down against Bom j bowl miester and Bom Easter turns. I Bohm users is shows nameplate to anybody. I Amy showing it to know he's special. There's he's got another gear that nobody else has. Title loving the game. And I'm always fascinated with people to talk about hating things they love, and I think it's a healthy thing. One of the great things about enjoying sports is also hating it finding things you don't like about it. Have there been times in your career? Will you've hated this thing you loved hope for sure I don't know if I've hated the game. But I hated where matinee again, you get down on where you're performances you get down on how your team's doing? You get down on some of the relationships that are happening and the emotions that go with it. And that's where you have to really pick yourself up and find your way out of it and everyone's going to have peaks and valleys, and it's just a matter of right in your eyes and limited your downtime because nobody's immune to it. There's no there's no player in the world that will go through not having a slump or downtime or on. Your confidence is down to me. I think the important thing you learn that you just have to limit when you're down and figure out a little bit of a roadmap out of it. And how to get yourself out of your slumps out of your bad times? So let me ask remember one of those times. I know you really battled. Was the two thousand seven Stanley Cup final against Anaheim. John paddock was the assistant coach then. And he mentioned that after the first two games in Anaheim. You ask for every shift that you took against the Anaheim guys because you wanted to see again, what was going on. So how do you when you look at that? Like, how do you go about saying I'm gonna work my way out of this for me? I turned video lot even back. Then when now it's easy to grab your shifts back, then the video coach would have to make CD's for you really have worked to get your shifts. But I've always turned video 'cause I like them visual learner, I like to see myself and what I'm doing. And then I have kind of a series of drills that I do in practice. I spent a lot of time after practice working on little things. And I think you start putting the work before the the skill and then you're still kind of comes out. So for me, I usually start by watching the games and figuring out what I'm doing wrong and a lot of times for me, it's stopped moving. And when I stopped moving, I'm not as affected. So that's something. I've learned over the years and just try to get myself out of his quick. You have to follow it up with drills and followed up with habits to kind of get things rolling. You rolling? You're doing everything. Right. You're reading the plays. You're skating to the puck. You're doing things good. But when you're not you have to identify what you're doing wrong that two thousand seven final was was a fascinating one Ottawa Senators Anaheim, ducks, and I can recall saying to myself, it was all done in Anaheim winds. I said I really wish that Ottawa didn't have that big layoff. I mean, you guys were rolling like I still maintain that in this era. That is one of if not maybe the best team that didn't win the Stanley Cup. I'm sure you guys felt like how good you guys were when you look back on that two thousand seventeen and that Stanley Cup final always reaching for answers. What happened is in butts three or my Jason, there's there's no doubt that laugh did hurt us. And you think there'd be an advantage to get in making quick work at everybody. But it actually was a disadvantage for us. So that that is something that was legitimate. But we lost in five games. And the first two games. We. Had five on threes. The one goal lead. We have like the games were really close. We probably should have won one for sure if not maybe both. And then you come home, you feel the pressure. We wouldn't game three and came four. We just drop an again, don't play very good. And then you're really got your back against the wall. And we were younger team to be in the finals. And I don't think we handles game five very well just going into it. That's my regret is that maybe we didn't have the the communists to approach that. We just got a chip away at it. Like it. It was it was a long trip back, Dan. Hi, we got off to a bad start in the game. And it was it was a difficult game for us. And I look back and regretted that game wasn't more competitive because you couldn't do anything about the games before we missed our chances. But that game five is not not how we should have been what went through your mind when you saw Albertson take the shot at neater. I was gonna say I was my my question was going to be on purpose. You have to ask him. He he realized. Direction. Scott turns his body. So funny that we thought of the exact same moment the series and so on characteristic. Unflappable, and you know on point in focus, and here's of all people, Daniel Alfredsson keys, one up at neater one edge. Yeah. He's a very competitive guy. And I think it was probably a little bit of a desperation. Let's try to rally the troops change things a little bit. And yeah, definitely the gentlemen of the game Scottie needed Myron Daniel until probably a moment that goes down in history a little bit. You know, I wanted Jason you here to talk about Jason spent to the person because I I really believe is great players. You are and what you've accomplished making thousand games h l with more to come. I really do believe that. There are things that you have done off the ice. That are incredible. For example, when Sam Bennett couldn't do the pull ups, I guess it was at the combine it was you who sent him a note and said, you know, don't worry, I didn't have a great combine either. And it didn't affect me. I thought that was a really great thing you did. And one of the things I remember one night in hockey night. As we go into a game and auto wanna Saturday night on the Friday, Jeff. There was a Baton Rouge not far from the rank. And we went there for. Dinner, and you were sitting there with Brian McGrath and the late Ray Emery. And that is when I first heard about what you help those two guys through and can you take through your friendship with both of them. And why you felt it was important that you help them battle their demons. Yeah, they're both very close friends of mine. We're really close we live together for a long period of time. And both guys went through substance abuse issues, and I always tried to be someone they could talk to. And you know, even grads to this day is the model for how to handle yourself through rehab in through living your life the way that he has since his issues. So for me, I think that the game is giving me so much and not in particular, Brian and razor, but it's important that you kinda give back to the guys you're playing with two. And I think that I've been very fortunate to have all these experiences and now that have been around for a long time. But the relationships are kind of what makes us so special. You're gonna miss the game. When you're done, you talk to guys the competition you missed, but you really miss the the guys, and you really miss the ups and downs and going through it together. And I think that you can really help people long because a few words encouragement here, and there can help get someone out of a funk, and that's kind of how I try to operate because I know that I can get down sometimes too. When somebody tries to pick you up at helps and everybody else goes through the same thing. So I think it's you're almost your moral obligation to try to pick people up along the way to just create a better environment for your friends. Your teammates associates people around. And I always assume that it's difficult when you see players like Emory McGrath who are friends who are teammates. And you hear how people are talking about them. What they're saying about them what they're writing about them. And you'd probably say to yourself. Well, that's not right. Well, that will that's wrong. Like when you look back now like what did everybody get wrong about Ray Emery and Brian McGrath? And what did you look? Portable. We'll pull. That's not. Right. I think Ray was very misunderstood. I think Ray he was a flamboyant personality, maybe before the social media of where everybody wants to be flamboyant. Now into words, look there's a positive. He was that guy. Just by being that guy. He just he liked it. And I think it made him tick a little bit. But he was such a loyal and well-thought-out intelligent person. And he got the reputation as being this hot head that didn't think of anything you did like raises, smart smart, man. Like, he he was a really sharp guy. Now that he's passed. It's amazing. The outpouring of people that talk to me about how he touched them. How great of a teammate. He was and people don't know that because people just think of the white Hummer crashing on the highway going to the plane. They think of all the crazy stories they hear and him fighting Peter's laugh in. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes the the myth becomes bigger than the man a little bit. And he's he's a guy that when you strip it down. He was a phenomenal team mate. He was a phenomenal person and he had a huge heart. And that's what you wanted to be remembered by and grads was same thing was like a big puppy dog. Like, he's like this big tough guy that protected me my whole career when I played in the minors. It was a tough league during the lockout, and nobody was loud going near me 'cause grass would stare them down. And I think he fought like forty seven times one year, but he was like a big softie? It's like we'd make fun of he's like the gentle giant and on the ice. He's an absolute killer. So you create a persona by plane, and some guys you need it to survive to be a player, but the people are different usually than the players one last one this. I thought it was really a great thing that oughta would did was waiting for you to get there to do the tribute video. So you could see it when you played in Dallas. Family friends of Ray Emery. Shows tonight was the Dallas was here. Jason spects Emory were great friends. The motion moment for Spitzer who had Reimer is part of his wedding party. Remember Gretna left as well. We pass along our condolences again to the family and friends. Ray the razor Emory. I'm very happy to the team recognized them. I think that he needed to be recognized. I'm happy they waited for me to be there. It was a difficult couple of days around it. There's a lot of situations around the the days that made it a little bit difficult for me to see the tribute was hard for me at the time. But I think it's all part of the the grieving process to and I think it's helped. But I'll always remember Asia when I put my gear on I you know, it makes me think of him. And you know, the crazy spy gets, and he's a special guy that will never be forgotten by by me and a lot of people. So it was very classy organization outstanding a little bit of bio information on me, Jason my first ring. That's right. But it does relate to Jason. I don't think even knows December twenty ninth two thousand and seven my first ringside assignment for hockey night in Canada in Ottawa your senators facing off against the Washington Capitals. My first walk off interviews Jason spots. I can remember saying next to him. I said do you like doing these? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't mind some years later. I'm gonna ask you the same question on Mike this time. Do you like doing walk-offs? Yeah. All right. If you're playing good. They're all right. Six. Got two goals. They're giving you a towel talking about good the teams playing they're great. They can be difficult think they can definitely be difficult. But you do get the walk probably unique because you get a little bit raw motion. And you get the huffing and puffing after shift sometimes, and you get they can be kind of the reason I asked to get I find a challenging to athletes what they've just done because a lot of ways the game plays you, and you just it's like this zen like moment when you're out there on the ice, and it's hard to right away. Hey, Jason what just happened? Oh, I don't really know. I was just playing define those where you're never going to get much from guy during a game. I think you're still focused on the game. Usually the like the most introspective pieces you get are going to be on off days or days. When do you have time to sit and think and talk, and when you're at the rink here really focused, sometimes, you know, you just want to get through the interviewing get to get to the dressing room to get get the deal say something in the room or get to the next look. Yeah. How many tells the up to now probably quite a few? I got a good stash of my in my house in Toronto. And I got a few in Dallas and their keepers for sure. But I I was fortunate to be a lot I played in Ottawa still before you came today at a film session with your new coach, Jim Montgomery, and you said he's pretty good like his film is film. Sessions are good. Yeah. He's holding your attention. Like, he's there's no preferential treatment any been our author. He's trying to teach us from the ground up. He's got a unique system and he wants to play a certain way and he's holding your tension. I've been I've been really impressed with the confidence that he's come in with and his ability to explain what he wants. And I think that's been guy comes in with confidence. I've seen that before. But the way that he can portray his message and get it through to us. And and explain himself has been really impressive. I think he's got a great future. Like, you said he will pointed a guy and say, what are you doing here? And what should you be doing here is that what he kind of exactly? Yes. He wants to know what you're thinking on the play. He just doesn't cause. Sometimes the video, you know, it shows one thing, but there's a thought process there's a lack of communication. There's something going on to cause a the reaction by the players. So he thinks very much like a player still, which is impressive because a lot of coaches don't see it that way. But he does see the game as a player still who is the worst explainer of what they're supposed to be doing. I don't know. That's. I will give you Jason one's tell you. Okay. Another Montgomery question. What does Jim Montgomery expect Jason Spencer? He expects me to produce any expects me to be a good example in the dressing room. He's pushing me again to get back to being an every night contributor. I think last year was a difficult year for me. I don't think I had much of a role on the team. And Monte came in has pushed me to get my confidence back into contribute every night again. And I think that was something I needed to hear. And I think that it's engaged me again too. I feel I feel like I can impact the games. I feel I feel great physically. I feel like I prepared really well for this season and to have a coach come in. And he's pushing me he's even nights where I've played what people think are pretty good. He's showing me clips that of things I can do better. Like, he doesn't think he thinks I can do more than I'm doing. And I think I can too and I'm happy with it. Because it's challenging me again. Was having a conversation last night here at sports night with a couple of guys, and we're talking about who has the scariest shot in the NHL. And there's a lot of shade Weber's, Dan, Charles, and I said, John Klingberg, John Klingberg wise because he's the only defenceman that's not shy ceiling it in high. How many conversation we asked how they're saying about this. How many conversations if any have you had with John Klingberg by San heat want to put a leash on that puppy and kind of bring those down a little bit because he's not shy about lifting them up. It's a fine line for him. I guess a little bit. But he shoots little half wrister. So wouldn't dear taking those big Clapper's that are going high that sometimes as skied screen you can't react to. But he's got that little half snapshot half wrister that sales high. So it's not as dangerous. It's like just he's looking heads up. He's lucky and and a lot of times. Actually, we've talked about how it can be a good shot. Because even if the guy tipping or screening misses it. Yeah. Goalie doesn't pick it up and Eric Carlson's been the best. You know, recently at it before that was Nick Lindstrom was like the the guy that all these guys are copy he had that little, you know, four feet up in the air wrister that finds its way through sometimes. So I think that's what he's trying to accomplish. Sometimes it gets away. From all sometimes, and you changed your stick to like you did couple years ago. I went through I use would forever. And I went Brian fight with you about your curve. Yes. I used to have a big Tofig with the old gauges. Stick was illegal because like how severe the curve was at the end. So me, and Brian always argue about it. And he told me he was going to fire my favorite trainer if I ever got caught. So. Not to that point. Did you have first period? Second period. Third grade six when he played shaved down ones. I had. Yeah. We. Because that's something that call us thick and I got called any legal stick. I remember that. Break it in the American League broke it and I got a ten minute misconduct instead of getting a two minute penalty. So that's the story of the heart story behind why? I was kind of break my stick. We gotta stick fish Jason. Pleased with having the handed over his Welty looked over leak benching. Dick measurement. This year. I see. Visual veterans stick every time. Everytime is it's it's almost been like an unwritten rule, you don't measure it. Now, they could be too expensive. He has a very thin stick. Of the stick or the Toepfer, but I can tell you as a Fokker. Late at the end to look at the. Trying to change it. Now. He does before the dryer. He's looking at he sees it. He knows he's trouble. Interesting. It was a veteran ref that wouldn't let me get away with it. So the video is like me on the bench trying to break my stick. And but the reason why I was trying to break my stick, and nobody knows because in the American League I'd done the same thing, and I got a ten minute misconduct instead of a two minute minor. So I was trying to get a ten minute misconduct for unsportsmanlike. But now, the gauges are different the sticks difference. You don't have to it's not a hassle. Nobody's sticks legal anymore last one for me. And that it's perfect off that that's why you're going to be a GM someday rate going to go into management. I I wanna stay in the game for sure I love it. I don't know what I'd do without hockey. So, you know, I I think my wife thinks crazy if I stopped watching hockey, so yeah, I definitely have aspirations stay in the game. And last month me, we talked about this off air a little bit your podcast guy. Come over to the podcast side of things, we listen to it was your fans be interested. Joe Rogan widen. Pretty popular wide. And we're talking to Peter TM Ben greenfield, some of the fitness guys just kind of started dabble into a little bit. But I drive out the first golden practice and sometimes listen parenting stuff to to to try to four dollars four dollars. Yeah. Yet. So. Yeah. So some of the TED talks are really good. I find it's a good way of educating yourself on something you don't know about sometimes it can be like a quick summary of something that maybe they're chasing specify. Podcast. I don't think so. You guys got it covered. Just tell you. I grew up with four sisters during that decade when they're all ten years. My dad aged forty six years. So that's what you've got to look forward to Jason. A pleasure continued success. Congratulations. Shit. All right, Elliot to conclude as always hashtag asking thirty one. I one comes in from at flying day, we sort of discusses a little bit earlier. How will the recent sports betting analytics steel affect the salary cap going into next year? Can we expect another four million dollar increase that much sugar in the coffee is there? Well, I wish I have to double check this. But at the border governors meeting in October just before the season start. They gave estimates on whether the cap is going next year, and it was somewhere between think it was eighty one in you five million. I put it in one of my blogs a couple of weeks ago. But that's kind of what they're looking at between zero and five percents all rights from at inside hockey be Biard C was Hyman switching to the new visor. Yup. When is the right time to start the discussion of players switching to cages in junior slash pro for player safety like in the NHL. They're going to wear cage all the time. I don't think you'll ever see that. Ever. Actually, I shouldn't say ever because I've always figured that. That's this was headed. Eventually, you know, I can't see it. I just don't think guys will wanna do it. Look how long it took to for visors to happen. Got there. They got there. And you'll maybe Jeff eventually someday they will get there. But I just don't see I like those guys they feel so much freer without the cages John juries, probably not as severe I injury ill and dreams out meals through a straw. Enjoy. Well, you know, if you read, you know, Travis Hamed killer with missing teeth straw hall. And he was fine. You know, I've never I've never heard this being a conversation. It would surprise me anytime soon. All right. Gregg kneeled was the first who is injured in junior to put on and construct a visor or wrap around rap was able to but never the NHL. Because of the vision impairment, Bryan, Berard quashed that you could actually play with only one functioning eye who is the first NHL to put on a visor. I wanna see it was boring homing, and he was the first one that I ever saw. I don't know somebody's gonna know out there. Hit us tweet in the answer, please smarter than us from. Oh, gee, semen will be seeing an increase of international games such as the one taking place in Finland, and where's the NHL planning necks? I think Chris mentioned this that they're looking at going to Czech Republic. Next year. You know, the Commissioner said they wanted to regular. Season games in China next year, that's going to be a battle. I could see teams not wanting to do that. Because they say that trip is just so hard on your body and your rest. Well is the issue a the trip is hard, and it's difficult, and then when you come back because you've been gone for so long your schedule gets compressed games. Gets compressed. And also your body. Schedule gets completely screwed up. Czech Republic is one on the radar for next year. I think you're still going to see one or two every year and a follow. What I what I did hear Jeff is that I hear there's more outdoor games coming more outdoor because they only have two this year. Not in Canada. I think they might be ramping that up again soon for more for warmer markets. I they are looking at it. I know the they are looking at it. And also, I think they're trying to find different sites in Canada. Remember last year, we talked about the possibility of a game in Regina. I think that's still somewhere on the residency somewhere out there. I mean, how many field of dreams games? Do they want build it? And they will come as opposed just putting it where there's in NHL team and Regina would sell you bring the others there. No problem. Follow question this one from Trevor Roberts state. We got a lot of international questions because the Panthers because we are international superstars cingo Trevor Roberts in that spirit. Assis one do you think? The NHL global series is cheating. What it set out to do my answers. I don't know. I think that's a good answer. I don't know. I think you could make a real argument. It hasn't done what it's hoped in Europe. But what do you consider good results in China? I don't know how you measure it. I'd like to see packed buildings. There were questions about that. With everybody. Hey, everybody buying tickets. Well, the thing is like if you get one percent of the people in China who like hockey, it's victory. Right. But here's my question is how long does it take the guys from the United States who won the World Cup of hockey in nineteen ninety six. They all talked about the miracle on ice in nine hundred eighty now for the first time less than fifty percent of the league is Canadian, and you can make a real argument that your footprint across the USA, including the sun belt, which we all mocked for a long time is working how long did that take Lisa generation? So because you know, what you need to have one of your own get their exactly so I think in the in Europe right now like someone's four players from Slovakia and the hell this year. I think you have to worry about that you have to worry about that. But if you're asking about China, and you're saying what's a success not know for twenty years. Until you get one of the athletes in basketball, do it. And as it just oh the effect. Well, there's that. But it's also the thing about hockey is it's still tough to play. It's expensive. Why is soccer so popular worldwide? Everybody can everybody can do it basketball. Same thing. Everybody can do it hockey's harder. And we have this problem in North America right now about how if you're not from a wealthy family background. How can you play? So it's going to take at least a generation to figure out if this is gonna work. This is an interesting one couple of top of my head Jeff Daniels. Guys, you seen any players at a high level of hockey pro college H L. H L attempt to learn to play right and left handed new age. I don't think it's crazy to think that we'll see it someday in the future Gordie house the most famous I remember remember do going to old timer game in watching norm Allman play with that too sided stick I played online. And it'll tempers game charity game. Once I was with Norman and Ron Allison. Sanderson the have the stick that could go both ways. I didn't notice the most thing I noticed about Norman was how many cigarettes he could smoke in the dressing room after. Norm on the smoking show. I saw Chris Chellios flip it over once in score in a game against Montreal. And he was in Chicago Chellios can do it wouldn't surprise me. Like, why couldn't you do it? Like in baseball. We've seen pitchers who can throw. Right. Yeah. Left. And right. I have no doubt that some of these guys can do it. But the first time ever seeing it was I went to a charity game in normal took the opening faceoff, and he had his stick to turn one way. And then he flipped it over in a blade on the other side and took the face off the other way smoke and drug no idea what to do. But with the skill of these guys now share it's going to happen at purple people eighty Vikings fan or Mitch Hedberg fan. Some people got that. Doctor demento would lose Sunday nights. You you would doing something like awarding draft position based on most team goals scored by non playoff. Teams incentivize coaches to coach to score over a coach to win. Good idea. Bad idea talk about this all the time. They do. Hey, you wanna come up with and models? I'm always willing to hear them. I can't see a changing too much from the current format. Clem fandango. Do you think Lynn on this one? Do you think the New York Rangers will wait until closer to the deadline to start moving players or players eggs L O Hayes at cetera be moved sooner than later. I think there are teams trying now for Hayes Nick mentioned on Saturday night. The Winnipeg could be a fit I think there are teams are gonna try for Hayes. I think the ball's totally in the ranger core. When do they want to do it? And that was a heck of a win in San Jose of the night they'd ever excuse to blow that game in overtime when the stocks hurdle scored with white one point three seconds remaining in regulation. They won that is going to be totally up to Jeff Gordon. I think he could move Hayes at anytime. He could probably if you wanted to. Say if I wanna trade zuccarello, we could move him with anytime. There's gonna be interested in those guys in just comes down to when they decide they want to go through with it. Shattenkirk San Kirk will be harder because he's got term. But it's not ridiculous term like he only signed for what for years, so there's only three years left. But I think that's going to be harder. But those two are both UFA's, and they'll have no trouble moving those guys. It really looks like though, they've made the decision. They're not going to sign Hayes though. Yeah. So I mean anytime Rangers going all in on the rebuild. Yes. For now or all in on the rebuild this summer. Like, we talk. Yeah. Everybody says he's going to be a New Yorker. So we'll see. But I mean, if the ideas get good players when you're rebuilding the wrong getting player on that will wrap up about producer meal. Thanks to Jason Spencer and the Dallas Stars organization for making him available to the pod. And thanks to YouTube for making me shave and wear collared shirt and where good close and drag a comb through your hair. So thank you YouTube guys. Okay. How's things up the music wooden horsemen wish you could new album is available on Friday for joining us this week back in seven days with thirty one.

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Trade Deadline Wrap Up

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Trade Deadline Wrap Up

"I can tell elliott's not reading his no actually. I didn't put my foot massage. I didn't the phone's not buzzing. I think i'm doing pretty good here. That's how you know. He's serious about the podcasts. He didn't put the foot massage. You're on to start the podcast today. The post trade deadline podcast recording this show at eight fourteen eastern on monday night We've just gotten home from sports net You had a quick power nap because you've had exactly three hours lee elliott. I don't know how you're doing this. Just coasting on fumes and we're ready to rock and roll and we're going to get it off with a tweet from legendary tweeter deal. Hunters helmet who tweets is christopher stieg the first trade deadline host to require a medical timeout elliott. That was the highlight of my day. First of all. I love her sti i think. He's he's hilarious. He's hilarious. he's great. I'm so glad he's on our team. Mike for stieg is fantastic and for those. That didn't watch your stateside or did watch in canada. We started the show today. Do the big open come in. I do like a thirty second. Preamble through to you guys. I for an update came back to do my desk. Which had christmas deegan. Jennifer botterill. And i'm about to throw diversity and i'm looking over and he's like holding his nose and i'll make a yo katie goes. I just got a bloody nose. I don't know what it's like right at the beginning of the show. Elliot what did he do. Don't know he didn't even know either he just like. I don't know where. I just got a bloody nose. We have no clue and so then for the entire so of course like acts against that information and then it's game on and so it was non-stop roasting of for stieg all throughout the trade deadline coverage for for opening up with a blade like i've always maintained. Just stay alive and you'll see some crazy stuff I'm glad i made it to this age because he got to see christopher steele opened up a trade deadline. Show the bloody nose. Did you know what was going on at the trade breakers desk. No i couldn't because versi was facing the same way. I was so i wasn't looking at his direction. And secondly there's all like the cameras in the maters between us so when you said i tried to look and i had to look around it. It was it was. It was pretty funny. It's pretty good. How was your trade deadline experiences. This time around. I don't know. I did a radio hidden calgary on the drive home and i have no idea they sent me. How do you feel my answer to them. Was i have no idea what planning on this day is such a blur and you know it's interesting so last week. The day that the ontario premier doug ford says there we were going into a lockdown sports net and our corporate overlords at rogers decided that they were going to cut down the show. And it's not only about us really. It's also about all the people that work behind the scenes all of the producers and directors technical people the camera people. You know everybody else there. And they you know i mean. We're all in a confined space in the amount of decide to limit the amount of people and also they said instead of going on eight in the morning eastern. We're going on at noon and you know they asked me you know i. I don't think they were really asking me for permission. They basically told me we were going to do it. But we're you know they're asking my opinion you know. Just what do you think. And i said you know from a competitive point of view. I don't like it. But i understand it in this day and age. I think it's the responsible thing to do. And i can't argue with the health and safety of our coworkers right so i got an jeff at eight in the morning. You're already there right. What time did you get in seven thirty. So yeah you. 'cause i i noticed when i got upstairs from my rapid test you are already there. My rapid test was eight ten. Okay so i saw you up there and because we weren't on like i thought those first four hours. They seemed like forever. Yes the morning. Felt like it. Talk twenty years to get through. It took a long time to get to twelve o'clock. Yes it did. And then we got on and things were happening a bit but then from two to about three thirty four o'clock it was busy and then when it was over in the in the verana a mantha trade. The biggest surprise day came down after that was done. I felt like. I crashed right into a wall. Let me ask you about that. We'll we'll we'll pick up on this year in in a second but going into today you kept saying there's going to be something that nobody sees coming. There's going to be one thing that nobody sees coming Did you know this was coming. No because my first thought is. This is what elliott's been teasing now for weeks. No no i believe. There's always a surprise. Because first of all you could be the best insider in the world which i am not and still not see things coming. I was once at a forum and one of the guests. Was ned colletti. Yeah currently works for the sharks and used to be the gm of the other dodgers. These are real tight. Friend of brian burks and we didn't know each other before then but i was working on a panel with him and he said you know you're supposed to be this insider. How much do you think you really know about what goes on the league and i said ten percent and he said i think that's actually a very honest answer. He says unless you're really in the league you don't know a lot of the stuff that doesn't go on and i do agree with that and i always believe there's going to be a surprise because i always think there's things that are being talked about behind the scenes now. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that we could have potentially seen something like this coming. After it was over number one. I think man that was kind of in the detroit doghouse number. Two verana was definitely in the washington doghouse. Which i was sorry to see. Because i really liked verandahs as a player and i like dealing with them i don't know memphis well see. I think we knew that washington was trying to move politics. Money and d when when i reported that detroit was willing to anyone. Not named cider. Raymond or larkin. I was because i had heard the red wings had basically said this rebuild is going to be longer than we realized and they signed mantha to a big extension this year. Four times thinks it's five point seven. And i think they knew that by the time they were ready to really be good. Mantha might be the end of that deal and so i see a lot of reasons that maybe we could have seen this coming. But i don't think anyone really had any clue and the other thing too is is herman and mcclellan. They work pretty quietly. Which i think is another reason. We didn't find out about it by the way i should say this. I had someone else telling me that the red wings were not too eager to move roenick. Either who might be their leading scorer this year rates. That's how the defensemen filip roenick. Yes so the the interesting thing about anthony mantha. Is you say that. He's in the doghouse with the detroit. Red wings previous to this deal. Yup did it not seem like anthony. Mantha was in the doghouse with the red wings from the minute. They drafted him. Because of what. Jim devil say yeah well it. It was like it seemed like every single turn and again. I'm not there so i don't know the inner workings in the conversations and the practices and all of that but it seems as if you know right from the get go and the jim devil ano- thing really got on everybody's radar worry sort of question whether this guy's ever going to be in nhl or essentially just seemed from then from that beginning that. Here's anthony mantha first. Round draft pick playing valdosta in the quebec league without one season scored eighty one goals in eighty one games and other flaws in his game. Yes but does he do one of if not the hardest thing in the sport hockey score goals. Absolutely you're almost got the sense that there was no way. This was going to be a long term relationship between these two parties. Is that fair. Yeah i think that's very fair. I think the other thing though the kinda change maybe wonder if it would be different though jeff was a. He's a young guy and you always wonder how young people are going to change. I mean sport is full of people who are young. And i don't know of immature is the right word. Or they just have they have room to grow and then you see them when they're twenty five twenty six twenty seven and you see how they've changed and you say boy. We're really lucky that we held onto that guy like i look at matthew's and martyr in toronto for example. I think they've become two of the best players in the league and a couple years ago. I think people really doubted that. So you'd have to be very careful about the judgments you make on people when they're very young. The other thing too though is that because you know is eisenman has been taking over. I don't think he cares about preconceived notions. I think he just decides what he sees in front of him right. Yep and i just look at it as okay. I've seen enough. I'm ready to do this now. The other question that leads to me about the red wings is and i stress. This is purely my personal opinion. Larkin has two years left at six point one. If one of the reasons you're thinking of moving players is the rebuild is going to take longer. What do you think about larkin my answer to that and again just me I would keep a player like him around. I understand your answer. Here's why when you're going through rebuilds and you're flooding your team with young players. Yeah you need to have older players around them. But here's the caveat. They still need to be able to relate to younger players. Like you can't have a group of kids in their early twenties and some veteran players who are all married and have three kids and other responsibilities and when the game the practice the team event is done. They're out of their. You know fred flintstone five. Oh one on. Friday abbott avenue. I'm out of the quarry. gone zone. Men that is a really dated referenced by me. I hope everyone remembers the flintstones next jeff will talk about his new favorite show. I love lucy and the honeymooners. Here we go. I think they need to be players in their late twenties to at least be able to relate to younger players. You start to get into your thirties. And then the common bonds are kind of strained yup to put it gently between younger players and older players. What what what do you think of larkin on that team. The other thing i think of is that you have to give your fans or reason to go to games right. Yes i think. Dylan larkin is a reason to go to games. I'm just looking at this. All of a sudden you know dylan. Larkin is two years away from unrestricted. Free agency and the red wings are more than two years away if i worked for another team in k. I would look at this move today. And i would say the reverend's weren't thrilled with anthony mantha but the capitals had to pay a lot to get him what it says to me is. I have no reason to believe the red wings. Have a problem with dylan larkin. But if i make them a really good offer what will they say to me. I think that's fair. To at least entertain is an idea. See that's the way. I look at it from outside. That was my reaction. Let me do this on this trade. Then let me play amateur insider if i was on your panel with cj and you're on my panel today with Bautzen versteegthe yup. And you said jeff. What do you think of this washington. Detroit deal carrier. Here's what i would say to you. I'd say well host elliott. It looks to me as if it's too deals. It's anthony mantha for jacob verana and the first and second in exchange for taking the contract. Richard panik i would disagree with you slightly. How so. I think the second is for taking contract. I think verana anna. I for mantha which is interesting because there are more similar than they are different. Statistically like i really liked verana. The one story i love telling about verano ways in the two thousand eighteen stanley cup final. I wanna say it was after game. Four washington was up three to wine and there were a couple days off and the capitols fans will tell me off. I know the stories right. I just might have the day wrong but there were two days off between games. That's why i think it was game. Four and capitals told all of their players. They're regulars take the day off okay and one capital regular skated and took practice that day. And it was jacob verana and i saw him after the practice and i said to him. You're the only guy skating and he said i can't score. I have to practice scoring and he went out the next game when he scored a huge goal. And i always remembered that to me. That's a guy who gets it. So i've always taken real interest in verana but i think at their best i would take over verana and the other thing too is mantha. Signed the capitals. They need cost certainty with re-signing ovechkin. They're going to get cost certainty here. I don't think that's insignificant. I can remember talking to someone from the boston bruins. This would have been the two thousand fourteen draft. And i can't remember which tournament this was. It might have been the you. Eighteen and brannagh had a great tournament. filled the net. David pasternak was injured. I remember talking to someone from the boston. Bruins who brought up the point that going into it they valued posture nak more than veron. And in some ways the fact that pasternak was injured was a blessing because the entire hype was all around jacob verana and that's why he went thirteenth and david posture knock fell to the boston. Bruins twenty fifth But going into that season there was the okay. Who's the better goal score here and pretty sure. Boston was worn of them. That favored pasternak and in some ways and lookouts worked out pretty preposterous. Knock yup the injury actually helped The boston bruins for that draft just as a side. Note there all right. We have a lot to get into on the podcast anymore with the with the washington detroit traders. We move things along. Let's move things. Along. let's do it. We got a lot to get through today. Welcome to thirty-one thoughts to podcast presented by the gmc. Sierra eighteen hailer hall has been traded to the boston bruins. He in curtis lazar traded late last night as gm kevin adams continues to make changes in exchange. The sabers we'll get a second round draft pick and forward anders bjork but it is reportedly part of a deal but the sabres will still pay half of halls. Eight million dollar salary is news. Came very late last night. And a lot of people are just waking up to lauren halls in the newsroom. Getting your feedback this morning. What are people saying. Lauren egg amaury mostly good morning. This is something many fans may just be learning about their waking up. So we're getting people's live reactions right now. Making the seven one. Six is getting a lot of love from people this morning. Nick is just one of the comments. We've gotten about him. He says he's more annoyed him than anything else. Tyler may not holding back on facebook. He says we got robbed again. And then richard on facebook says he was hoping for at least a conditional first round pick. Okay welcome to the post trade deadline edition of thirty one. The podcast As i mentioned off the top we have a lot to get to here. We're going to plow through as much as we can until we start to bore a you and be ourselves. So elliott taylor hall curtis lazar to the boston bruins exchange for unders bjork and he's second round. Pick buffalo fifty percent of the taylor hall contract your initial thoughts before we start to sharpen the pencil on this. One taylor hall confirmed a lot of things that i think we've previously reported and have kind of been known but it's different when someone actually comes out and says number one. He really wanted to go to boston number two. I think he wanted to go to boston here because he wants to sign with them. Next year number three he came close to signing with them last year. But couldn't and the reason i heard is that the bruins had to move money around and make some moves and he just didn't want to wait. He wanted to play so he saw. He wanted to know where he was going to play. So we signed with buffalo. I think a lot of this. You know he confirmed for us. I think vegas was in. I think the islanders were in. I think saint louis was in. Although i'm not sure how much. And i just think he said get me to buffalo so that is funny because i had. I got a dm from a saint louis. Blues player. Who said have you heard anything about getting taylor hall and i said no. I don't wanna bug was Sunday nights. I don't wanna bug elliott's it's a busy night for him but i haven't heard that said we're by uni said i just rumblings around here do you know how close it was was saint louis at all. I just know they were in. I don't know that it was close. I'll tell you this. I think it was closed with vegas. I mean as close as it can be without hall saying yes right. I think it was potentially closed with vegas. I think it was close with the islanders but more close with the islanders earlier in the week then later in the week that would have been pre palmeiras zajac deal yes like that was basically the honors making a choice and they took palmeri. Overhaul k. I don't think the boston offer was the best offer that buffalo god's but you'll hall made it pretty clear. He was going to flex his muscles as is his right. Kevin adams pretty much said as much and taylor hall himself. Said i'll say that. Yeah definitely the nor move really helped me become a bruin. Since i knew that i would be traded for the last few weeks. It was a team that i really wanted to join and we really wanted to be a part of like your point like everything just pointed at taylor hall said this is where i wanna go. If you wanna move me make this happen. Well we have better offers from other teams. That doesn't concern me. I have this clause and this is where. I wanna go. I'll tell you this if the islanders had chosen him over. Paul marianne wednesday. I don't think he was saying no to that. But i think at the end of the week when boston really got in there Because i had heard. And i don't know if we'll ever know the truth. I heard boston was in. And then they were kind of of out is the right word. but it didn't look likely. And all of a sudden they came back to the forefront. So i really do think there was a time on wednesday hall. Thought he was going to be an islander and then on the weekend once the bruins release started going. Then i think he had his heart set on them. I want to get back to taylor hall here in a second and and the you know if you can see this as a a longer term opportunity for him with the boston bruins but what do you think of the return for the buffalo sabres now. This raised a lot of eyebrows Bjork in his second round pick in buffalo eats half of the contract. What do you make of that. Well i mean you when the player flexes muscle you lose your leverage. So you do the best. You can do right. Yep now i think at one time buffalo as boston for one of their two young police either of later or swimming and that obviously didn't happen and then you know they moved on to whatever was they have a lot of guys who wouldn't i wouldn't surprise me if they were be interested in. Someone like bjork. Jason nightingale was the assistant director of amateur scouting. He worked for a on notre dame staff just before bjork got their their head of amateur scouting. Jerry foreman has a long history of nc double a. scouting. You know don granado with all of his years coaching in the youth hockey minor hockey level there. I'm sure he has people in those bjork. Like i was told the sabers would have a lot of people that have a lot of insight into bjork so i'm not surprised that he was a player that they focused on. Would you know not necessarily the teams but what the nature of some of the other offers would be. I heard the islander offer was similar to the one that the did with palmeri. Now obviously there was a bit more in the paul deal. Zajac was involved right right like basically. I heard last wednesday. I think at chris's mentioned this. The islanders were deciding palmeira or hall and the islanders made their decision. They went for palmera. Back taylor hall. What are the chances. What are the odds with our the desires or maybe can just say well. We'll see how he plays with the boston. Bruins here merrick. The taylor hall ends up signing a longer term deal with boston at the end of all of this essentially wondering does he wanna go through the unrestricted free agency. Dance at a flat cap universe right now. Well if you listen to him today you think he wants to stay. One hundred percent is what he said. This is a test drive. This is a test drive for the bruins and for him. He wants to be a abroad. And the major reason he picked the bruins. He wants this to be a long term relationship This is not a tender rights. Swipe this is the whole long-term relationship then. I am glad that i missed the era of online dating. I am so glad that. I miss dating apps. I'm so glad. So glad i missed all of that. I did online dating. But i was pretender. Did you like it. No i hate. It is a matter of fact what i did though and this actually did work for me was ill as people no. I went to school western one year. I went back to western because they asked me to do a speech to their journalism. Students like a lecture. So i agreed to do it. I went up the night before i met up with. Somebody's from university there and we went out and we had a good night. Okay so i looked like hell the next morning and aasa. I looked terrible. I really looked awful and after like student paper. Came to interview me the gazette and they're like can we take your picture and i'm like do you really have to like you could pull off the internet like you have to take a picture of me now. And they're like yes. We'd like a an a fresh updated picture. And i'm like oh my god so i did it. The couple of days later the picture appeared and someone called calling from the university and said. Have you seen this picture of you in the university paper and i go no and so it was online and it was so bad. If you find it you'll know which one it is. It's so bad. I look awful. So what i did was i use that picture as my online dating profile them i actually said this is the worst picture of me that exists so of you can handle this. I can assure you it's better than this and it worked. It was an excellent opener. I only have one. And i got to be very careful how i say this i have one. I think the dating app was tender. Story i got a call from a friend of mine. She was She doesn't play in the league doesn't exist anymore but she used to play in the cwa whol and she called me up one day and said looking for a reference for someone one of our colleagues who. She was matched with on tinder. That i had to give a reference for. Oh my goodness and no. I'm not going to tell you who it is. was it dave and david amber. Now why would you wanna david. Amber i because i think he would take the most defense pick you. I'm going with people who would be really bothered really bothered by saying that. Yeah was it. Cj was it sanjay. Oh you know you're honestly your cold like directionally your call. You're in a in a cold area right now. was it ellie rudy. It is one of record. No it's not kelly rudy. It is one of her colleagues though. All right You mentioned buffalo a second ago asking for a young boston. Bruins netminders and i think a lot of people are interested to find out or try to snoop around what's happening with the buffalo sabres and lena's own mark. He's on an expiring contract. And now is this not advantage player. Yes because trade deadline has come and gone and they have not done a thing with them. You can have as many expressions of interest and negotiate in good faith as you want but all mark has to know that after him if he leaves. There's a whole bunch of question marks in buffalo crease. Right now yes and buffalo made the choice that they weren't going to extend they weren't gonna be able to extend them right now but they weren't going to trade him and they've said that this is a priority they wanna get all mark signed you know. Even though they have a really good young prospect. You wanna remind us we is. We'll capello logan yes he's about two years away. Sudbury wolves goaltender finish guy playing in the american league with rochester last year played. Cincinnati real good prospect but still probably two years away hookah pekka logan and i think the other thing is that i think the sabres really feel that and this is true. All marcus played really hard in a very difficult situation. Yes and you always want to bet on the guy you know they know so. I think that's what's going on here is they're betting on the guy they know and they wanna sign him and they made the decision probably about a day or two before the deadline that they were going to hold onto them and take their chances. Dangerous does a probably mean you. Overpay them yes. It probably does. But i mean first of all you always could walk away later if you wanted to but secondly. I think that if you're going do that do it with the guy you know. Elsewhere around. Trade deadline The pittsburgh penguins. Now ron hextall. Last week dig talk about to do something down. The middle also talked about wanting to bring in someone with A little bit of size and they end up getting jeff carter from the los angeles kings. I think they were in on zajac. By the way they're in on zajac. That was a guy they liked. Didn't how did they get the jeff carter and why jeff carter l. a. by the way retains fifty percent of the contract Picks third round twenty twenty two and fourth in twenty twenty. Three for jeff carter. While i mean ron hextall talked a lot about this. That he was a guy they kinda targeted. It's interesting because when i heard it i was surprised. You know last year philadelphia thought about bringing back. Carter and carter made it pretty clear. He wasn't interested In the east coast at that time he wasn't interested in anything. La but obviously pittsburgh worked it and they got the guy at the right time. And you know it'll be it'll be interesting there you know there's there's there's very interesting cap recapture implications here to write fewer tires if he retires after this year. You know. there's not a big penalty for anybody involved here to me. The most fascinating thing about is the fact. That carter did it because there's been a couple of times. In the past couple of years i think arizona tried to get him to at one point and he said no i. I'm not doing that so you know. This is a guy who went from. No no no to yes and to me. That's the most fascinating part of the whole story and it's always been about family for him to me. Those fascinating part of the story is. There's an opportunity in our hockey world right now for the pittsburgh penguins to win the stanley cup with jeff carter in the lineup. And ron hextall. As the general manager is kind of funny thank you just let the gravity of that sink in for a second and again. Just stay alive and you'll see some some pretty interesting things. Toronto maple leafs. Let's go over some of their moves. nick felino is the big one and the big price and san jose helped. Hold some of the kitty here First round pick so columbus picks up another one. They've got three now and two fourths in exchange for nick felino. Well i think that one player the maple leafs looked at was connor garland arizona. Yeah he's Arbitration eligible this season. I think that would have been the most fascinating thing about it like i. If you look at what the maple leafs did. What did they do. They added felino. Ufo yeah the ad riley nash. Ufa the ad. Ben hutton ufa. They added david ridicule. Faa and i think all of that was important. Because they want to keep zach hyman and they need the ultimate flexibility to do that. So that's point number one. I do think they had some pretty intense conversations about garland. I don't believe it was ever close. But i think they talked about it. I think they talked about it with arizona and one of the things that was most. Fasting is because depending on how it all went. Garland didn't have a contract for next year as you said he's arbitration eligible. So you'd have this backup like this to me. Is the most fascinating thing about it about that. Possibility is if hyman leaves. You have garland. If hyman stays you know were they thinking we take garland for this run and then figured out down the road. I mean it's a really fascinating thing to me. But the price would have been higher though but then the potential exists for them to signs at and not qualify connor. I wouldn't say not qualify. But maybe you move him interesting dynamic but this is like i said like i don't know what they were thinking. I just know they talked about it. I don't think it was ever close. They didn't make the move for felino until they didn't. They knew they weren't getting garland. Could they have done both. I have no idea. But because garland's only making seven seventy five this year right. But i think they looked at it. He's due for a big race. He like every everybody's on the same page is disguised getting a race anyway. I like toronto. Did i think they made their team better. They give one player off their roster barabash off. We needed to go play. They don't have a lot of draft picks the next two years but he didn't give up any of their best prospects like one of the teams told me after the deadline was over that when they were talking with toronto was pretty clear. like toronto. said we're not doing robertson. We're not doing sanding that. I think they said were not doing lilla grin and we're not doing azarov. I think those were the four guys. Toronto told them they weren't doing so they basically knew that toronto wai to keep their prospects and they're willing to move picks like look. We talked about this ad nauseam. They're all in. This is their year to go for it and they took one guy off their roster. I don't know how you can be critical of that. And when you look at where that pick is gonna be like. This is not going to be a top ten pick. No it's it's not like this is going to be a. We're waiting for this. Pick the first day of the draft. Were were towards the end. When people are folding up chairs and folding up their notes the verdict comes in for a third round. Pick you mentioned ben hutton. As well i think when it comes to the maple leafs you look at the totality of the moves. And we'll get the montreal on a second. I think the same thing. There they got a forward they got a goalie. they gotta defenseman. That's what was on the wishlist You know one of the things. I think i know fully going to be the headline and british going to be a story as well but going into deadline wasn't one of the questions who's defenseman number seven for the toronto maple leafs and you're looking at a whole lot of inexperienced and maybe players that you weren't necessarily that comfortable putting in that position you know apropos of nothing just the night before the deadline. Somebody was telling me that they thought hutton would be a good pick up for someone because he'd been playing reasonably well and the other thing too is and i believe i can't remember who on the death said this was or was it be exa ben. Hutton he's never going to cause you a problem. Be exa was saying that. He's the guy that comes to the rink with the smile. He's not going to complain about anything. Get away from me. i'm depressed. I can't stand people like you it this way. He's a kinda guy berkey would hate. Yes optimistic person. The real happy guy. And you know what. I have to say that the other thing here is that riley nash. He's gonna play for this team in the playoffs. Yeah fourth line center. Role makes a whole lot of sense. He's played them twice the leasing a lot of them. He played against them for boston in the playoffs and columbus. I don't think it's a coincidence. They did for a cap move but they also did it because they like the player montreal canadian's and before we get to the totality of what. Mark burgess van has done going back to jake allen and joel edmonson and josh anderson and corey perry etc. What's the deal with the tony diangelo montreal situation so basically what happened. Was the canadians decided that they wanted to give. Deangelis will look but they didn't want to pick up the five million for next year right. Yeah so what was going to have to happen was di angelo and the rangers. We're going to have to agree to a termination and then the canadians. We're gonna sign him to a contract for next year now. I don't know the exact number. But basically from what i heard it was gonna make deangelis whole because deangelis angelo's under twenty six. Yep he's getting bought out for one third next year not two-thirds okay so by not accepting the termination he's saves just under three million. I think montreal was gonna make him pretty close to whole. That's what i understood between next year and this year He was going to be close to whole however he decided not to do it. And he'll take the buyout. He turned down the canadians. What i think is is that he believes there's gonna be other opportunities for him and maybe there's something that he thinks is better but but he does seem to believe there's gonna be opportunities for we'll see we'll see where it goes. This off season but montreal was definitely interested and they offered him a contract for next year. That was going to if not make them whole come pretty close to one element of the mantra canadians at deadline. The other great from the very beginning with with mark berge van. It seemed as if the moment they lost to the philadelphia flyers merger at and the bubble mark of van said okay. This is our shot at k. Last year a trade deadline you can recall a year ago elliot. They're getting rid of everybody. What do you want. We're fire embodies out the door. We gotta we gotta do something and then the nhl came back and by virtue of how they were going to construct their playoffs. The montreal canadiens found themselves in a playoff spot in and around around and beat the pittsburgh penguins in spectacular fashion And then ended up falling to the philadelphia flyers and then berge van went to work. Replacing players trades signings and continued all season. Long coach. firings like you became pretty obvious that this was a general manager. Saying we need to do this. This season The lose victor mezei on waivers on monday. Make the move for erica. Simpson the make the move for john merrill and the montreal canadians are quote unquote again reinforcing. That they are all in your thoughts. On what berge evanston accuse them of being inactive at the end of the day wants his guys get healthy sheriff gallagher. I look at that team. I just think it should be better than it is I don't know what's going on this year. I look at them. And i feel they should be better than they are on paper. That's a roster that i think should be challenging for first place in the north division. They got lot of guys. They have a lot of guys. So it's funny. 'cause versteegthe and i looked at each other when you made the announcement of the The eric gust of sin. I think was you that made the announcement broke the fray the gus incomes and we kind of looked at each other and we said how many contracts is montreal have now they did not feel like montreal has like seventy contracts when you're only allowed fifty s you have so many bodies. I do wonder about that. I remember the one year washington under boudreau where they went out and they got scott walker and a bunch of guys and then there were guys were unhappy. They weren't playing. Yeah i wonder about all that. I do wonder if sometimes you get to too much. The team is not equal to the sum of its parts right now. It just isn't as good as it should be Let's they wanna pick jets elliott and we went into trade deadline. And you said you know winnipeg jets. It'd be looking for a defensemen and like everybody else. Everyone was drawing lines between them and players. Like david savard who ended up pointed tampa bay lightning and kevin chevrolet off sort of waited in the shadows and waited and waited until the very last minute. Where he picked up. Georgie ben from the vancouver canucks your thoughts on the jets. See i think they tried something. Big okay kevin. Chevrolet off at his presser said that you know. Obviously there's a lot of teams did some other things but offer for yourself You you look at what's available in front of you what What sets no you make those accordingly and we looked at a few other things that we tried to do a couple of other things today. That You know might have been some big swings but You know the players that we targeted didn't see. I believe that's true. I i am not in the habit of calling somebody a liar unless i can absolutely prove it. I don't believe he's lying about this. I heard that they were really trying something big and at the end they just decided it was too rich doing something. Really big with a defenseman. Yes now it could have been a bigger thing all. I heard that there was something big. I've tried to figure out what it was still early. So you know. I'm sure by putting it out this podcast. Everybody will start looking what it was. I have some suspicions that maybe it was potentially nashville or buffalo. Or maybe even someone like anaheim. But i don't know exactly like those are all guesses. I do believe he really wanted to do something. And at the andy just decided. It was too rich and doing this. Would he have known that. George ben was in his hip pocket along shoot. You wanna make that deal. yes okay. florida panthers. Sam bennett and brandon. Menteur are now members of the florida. Panthers they tried to get david savard they also got nikita gusev. They did new jersey Parted ways very you know if you take a look at it. It's a it's a pretty interesting group this year. The panthers right in the sense of carver hagey anthony do claire. Now gustav now. Sam ban it. You know i think in the nhl you have to catch lightning in a bottle sometimes right yup for lack of a better. Turn the island of misfit toys. You know you you have to try that. Sometimes you always had a really good year for them this year. Mackenzie liter sure has in. There was a belief that the maple leafs tried to alleviate florida of the the burden of having such a wonderful defenseman on the roster and they did definitely did try. But you know that's the thing that you know. I was really curious about here. Is that no florida. Dave tried some unconventional things this year and so far they've been working and now they're going to try a couple more. I'll tell you that first round series. Whoever it ends up being in cambridge with these divisions are called right now but whoever finishes second third of that florida carolina tampa triumvirate. That's going to be one of the best series of the first round. Well and you in in a lotta ways. It's the central division by the way. You're really kind of hope that it's tampa because you just wanna get these teams meeting in the playoffs ashamed. That won't have to go out in the first round. But i don't care just these two have been in the league for too long that close together in the same state for them not to play against one another. The other end of that. Sam bennett deal is of course. A calgary flames and brad tra- living. I thought he did well. I thought his value was good. Basically to second rounders because they got a prospect from last year. I heard some a couple. Couple me about that prospect after we put it out there a meal heynemann. There's a. there's a couple of really liked him as a player. They say that he's going to be middle. Six guy who's gonna kill some penalties and drive people crazy. You only the good things about them. What happens now. With the calgary flames. I mean this was. This was a tough day for flames. Fans been tough season for for flames fans. It seemed like it was a tough day for brad. Tra- living did some things that He kind of got the feeling he had to do. Like this was not the plan for the flames. This year i the flames go out and pick up town of and pick up marks from it as a general manager. You not expecting to have that type of press conference on trade deadline. No i think they were hoping they were going to be able to move ryan to there. Were definitely some talks around him but obviously it didn't happen. But you know what you gotta third rounder for riddick. You got the two seconds. Essentially for bennett. But i do think the flames are pretty much doing their legwork. What happens now the other team. I heard that chuck fletcher had an interesting comment about. I'm gonna fix some things in the off season. I think philly's been doing a lot of their legwork to laying the groundwork for what's what's going on the surprise they did scott lot no Because i think lot and wanted to stay you. Know the tanner pearson deal. That really changed some things. I think it affected the follow deal and i think it affected the lot and deal by those. Were two players who wanted to stay. You know. I have follow wanted to stay in. La and lawton wanted to stay in philly. And i heard that the pearson deal kind of changed the landscape around them you know and you have to do your grinding on both sides but neither one of those two guys wanted to go anywhere as a matter of fact like in phillies case. I think they investigated trading him like they were checking their the market. I heard la like robert. Blake was was saying. I don't even if we don't sign him which they did. I'm i don't know if we're trading them. I probably not want to get your thoughts quickly. Vancouver can actually talked about. George ben from the winnipeg point of view. Jim benning also moving adam. Good debt chicago blackhawks. Matthew highmore comes back the other way you know it was it was. It was interesting watching christopher stieg. Who who knows high more played with them Go out of his way to mention. How good a player. Highmore is and what the vancouver connects. You're getting in this cow. Well i i mean obviously the cannot twitter was not giving it rave reviews so i was very interested in hearing what ver steeg had say. You know i. I think there's a couple of things at play here number one. I think got at was ready to go from vancouver. Let let's take the kovic situation out of this okay. Let's just talk about it from a purely hockey point of view while one thing that jim benning did mention is this is the classic. He needs a change of scenery. Yes the all. We reported a couple of times this year. That good that was out there. I think they talked to nashville about him. I think they talked to boston about him. And probably more. Those are two why i know of. I think that was ready to go. I think he felt his career was stagnating in vancouver and he was ready to move on and i think the canucks were ready to obviously ready to accommodate him. They did now. Ian mcintyre who does a great job of reporting reporting there for us. He said that there was no correspondence with the whole situation. And good at being sort of the patient zero of the covid situation out there. Look i i find it very hard to talk about in the sense the might teammate. I don't like disagreeing with my teammates and it's be exa happy disagree with all the time. I just think that this whole last couple of weeks has put an enormous strain on the franchise and i had one agent. Who told me that some of the players really thought the coverage of the symptoms and stuff was way overblown. And i had others. Who told me no. This is serious and some players are really unhappy so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle right. You know jeff. I just look at it and i'm like it's hard to believe that the past couple of weeks didn't accelerate an already unhappy players departure. Make sense a couple of things not things that happened and will conclude on this not things that happened but things that didn't happen The name ryan gets laugh was a surprise to a few people just hearing that his name was out there. Now we've talked about the anaheim ducks before. And i think a lot of people looked at the anaheim ducks and said hachem. Not more moose. But i think a lot of people were surprised even to hear his name involved in trade discussions despite the fact that he's an impending unrestricted free agent. Nothing ended up happening with ryan guests laugh but was it ever close. I don't think it was close. I think it was discussed. You know like. I said i. I believe montreal called asked about him and you know. I don't think he was going there. I i think if it was anywhere it was close. I think gets laugh wise willing to discuss the possibility of vegas by you know. One of the things in anaheim did wise. You know the prices were really high for a lot of anaheim's guys One of the teams that was asking about josh. Manson said to me it was like they were basically saying. Don't ask but if you do it's going to be so high that you're not gonna wanna do it anyway. So that's kind of where it was there. I really liked anaheim gamble on hayden flurry like i. I see two teams. That got what they wanted there. I thought it was a good gamble for anaheim a younger player that needs more of an opportunity to play and i think that carolina got the kind of player that they were looking for a right hand. Shoddy physical defenseman yanni hawkin. Pa like he's a beast if you've watched any of their games this year. He's a beast. He's making seven hundred and fifty cans not sign for next year. I mean those two teams got what they wanted. Third in the nhl and hits. He uses that body. He's your bruiser. But i think a lot of anaheim's other guys they were saying we're gonna make it hard on. Let's end on this. We've seen this before but not as much as we saw it. This season the third team holding part of the san jose twice. I don't know that there's a term for it yet but it'll come the bag man. I'm gonna call them the bag man. The bag man. Okay the bag man. Oh san jose's the bag man on the on the flea no deal the bag man phenomenon in the nhl in a flat cap h. l. universe around trade deadline not even trade deadline just trades in general. Do expect to see the bag man more. I think so over the next few years. You know the other thing. I wanted to you know as contracts start to and in the world starts to reshape. The teams have more room because they just restrictor stricter stingier with the contracts. Like i look at some of the contracts this week. You know how many guys are gonna get five five year deals like lawton did and the other two is lawton's deal has only a million dollars in bonuses. I think that's going to be. I think the big guys are still going to get their heavy bonuses but again this is the vanishing of the middle class. Follow has no bonuses but he got four years. There's no there's not gonna be a lot of guys get four years and all of these guys they signed with their teams right pearson to you you know one of the things i i really think is that some of the biggest issues were were turn. You know. I think vancouver wanted to do two years with pearson and pearson fought for the third year. I think for the longest time l. A. only wanted to do two years with follow and i have follow fought for turn with lodden i think there was a willingness to do five years however the biggest issue was getting the money up and that one from what i heard but i think these deals are going to be challenges and you know jeff i think yes. You're gonna see this more and more. And i'm really curious to see how the overall structure of contracts changes my final question to you is as we sign off this recording ninety eighteen eastern yup on monday night From when you take the headphones off and turn the microphone off. How quickly will you be asleep. 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Episode 385: Penguins Deep Dive

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Episode 385: Penguins Deep Dive

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Career multi like mario lemieux during his comeback. Working out with g caufield at robert morris island sports center in secret at four o'clock in the morning when no one's there in the best shape of my life. I can tell no it's yeah it's been refreshing. I think like for the most part. The penguins fans are still in like this Don't wanna like frivolously. Use the phrase. Ptsd get what i'm going for like. It's almost as if they have to. They haven't completely gotten over the fact that he's gone to a division rival no less none. Yeah well it. It is a lot of that first. Rangers meet up that they had it was absolutely. It was pretty brutal night for jack johnson. I don't remember the exact numbers but they were pretty. Typical of a recent performance. You know is the somewhere around forty five percent of the control the game just completely got caved in so that was it was a really quick turn about of a fortune for penguin sans. Yes is they've come to expect. It is nice to see it on the other side. So we're going to do. The penguins rando deep dive the penguins today. And the reason why. I wanted to chad's because i think on the service you look and it's like alright until talent either nine six and one. They're coming off a pair of nice win against the islanders. I think you know they're kind of where you would have expected them to be in the preseason just in the sense that they're competing for those sort of two to four seeds and her division right after boston. And it's up in the air and it makes sense. But then i think if you dig it or if you've been following their season more closely kind of day to day you know what kind of a rollercoaster ride. It's been where beneath that nine record. They've got a minus five goal differential for the season. It took them until game number thirteen of the year to get their first multi goal lead their seven one and one in one goal games. I think if you put it all together. I think if anything. They're kind of lucky or at least fortunate to be where they are in terms of their position. But at the same time you know there's been a lot of stuff that's kinda either out of their control with injuries or the front office shakeup of between get into where they've done a pretty commendable job still of sort of braiding rollercoaster ride where it very easily could have gone off the rails pretty quickly and i think a lot of organizations and teams without You know sidney crosby for example would have probably Similarily like struggled and whatever completely different outlook on their season at this point. So i have a tough time evaluating these i whatever fifteen sixteen games there is because on the one hand i feel like they're they've been lucky and they should have a worse record but on the other hand i feel like it will probably go up from here so i think those two things almost balanced themselves out. Yeah the penguins early best described as like a very delicate ecosystem or like one tiny little thing can upset the whole carton. Just ruin even not even a full game dimitri. We're talking like they can play a perfect fifty right. Perfect fifty five but the five or ten. That's not good. It's so bad that outweighs in ruins everything that they did in those other minutes and they have this culture of meltdowns defensively that are of like the most grandiose manner. They're not just like little hiccups. Their stuff you'll talk about in the car on the way home and you'll give the sports talk in the town fodder for two three four days. Sometimes their mind you mental. And they're so elementary and i don't wanna make it sound like diminishing the competition because the divisions obviously very tough right. The penguins have had the worst of it so far. They've played washington boston dialing in there. I mean they haven't spent any time really against buffalo or new jersey year sort of the quote unquote basement dwellers the division. And certainly you know the environment's tough but so much of what ails them is self inflicted that it's you really can't help but feel like there's this competent. Well put together hockey team somewhere underneath there. That is just like scratching on its way to get out It's been better because of goaltending. Recently you know trista. Jari had an absolute nightmare to start the season and even would say given some of their performances individually that they've had on defense. It's not even so much the injuries that really hurt them. I think you know some of the guys that came in chad repeatable is a name you always hear about in. Pittsburgh is like a number five or six constantly. Just putting out these Very decent performances. it's been like brian dumoulin. Having a rough year john marino being lost on his offside i'd chris'll attain probably being their fourth or fifth beth's best defenseman this season. It's just been all over the place. So i don't know that i really have all that good of a pulse on them either. They're not really outstanding. In any one area analytically speaking anyway. They're kind of they are. What they are is bit of like a minute. Middle of the pack team right now is solid but subject to the is just absolutely chronic. Meltdowns well you know it's funny. You mentioned analytically evaluate them because i think when preparing for this sort of trying to capture their season as a whole really sticks out is ed's a bizarre kind of analytical resume. They've got going. Where basically as you go from like the rust shot metrics and you start accounting for more quality in terms of like going from like just raw unblock shot attempts to stuff that makes it on the net two then hide danger. Chances to expect the goals they basically get worse each step along the way. And it's it's it's weird to see that and you see it on a lot and the individual numbers for for individual performances as well where it's not. It's it's weird to me. Because it's not what i expected to see heading into the season and i think in most cases you go all right. Well sixteen games out of eighty two. That's not really a large sample size. It's wait till we get to the twenty. Five game aren't even the thirty gave mark before we really evaluate at that point. You can always make trade and improve your team. You've got plenty of wiggle room until the deadline but in this season that's already thirty percent of the schedule or so and if you're talking about oh well there's gonna be a reinforcement of trades beyond the fact that this team has already kind of pick this roster in the sense that they don't have too many more assets or much more financial wiggle room to make any improvements. It's also an almost impossible task to improve your team at this point because you're portraying player they're probably not going to be in your lineup. All they're quarantining for the knicks. Whatever five to seven games and then at that point who knows where. You're going to be so i think we're gonna see a lot of teams either pretty aggressive with their trade in terms of doing them now before lead line or just kind of sitting it out and not doing anything at all this season. But i guess it's it's just strange to kind of combat. That sort of patient approach and waiting for the samples is even out verse. Having to sort of make do with these numbers at this point of the year for every team not just the penguins just because the line kinda expedited for everyone. I think like that analytical analysis you gave his perfect summation of sort of those mini meltdowns that we were talking about earlier. They can control a game But the hiccups are so bad that from equality in high danger perspective. It's less pretty I think it's clear. Cut dmitri to me what this team really. Lax and jared mckay. They haven't had full. Complement affords healthy at one time. No right now. Jared mccann's not just got zack. Aston respect into the lineup. So it's kind of been especially in the bottom half of of the team a bit You know of a rotation of faces but they need help on the fourth line for sure. I think one of the worst fourth lines in the national hockey league which is not a great compliment to all the awesome things. That teddy bloggers aston race in bradenton overdoing on a nightly basis. That he'd helped there They have a glut of left handed. Defenseman the possible that you could make a move Sacrifice depth there and not have to give up an asset like either of your two forwards and valdemar or pick which. You don't have a lot of to begin with and then the big question mark is goaltending rate. Who is tristan. Jari see the player that had like a eight fifty. Save percentage through the first two and a half weeks of the season. Or is he a guy that Just put up really three in a row phenomenal performances and net and seems to be. We'd himself he all star tristen jari from last year or second half of the season. Just jari i. And that's the big question. Because you know. Casey dismiss has been fine. You would just say that dmitri. It's been fine. But that's just it right. And he is who he is. So i don't know if ron hextall is even aware of right now. Whether or not he needs to try to make an improvement to that position will they clearly made a gamble on jerry and it was. I think largely predicated on those twenty five or so games he had last year before the the all star game of the star where you came out on fire and and listen get like from the perspective of day basically pig jari over memory and he comically got twenty five million from the sense and that's looking like a train wreck right out of the gate and if anything the silver lining is that murray's numbers have been even worse than jury so far so i think penguins fans are probably A monitoring that as well but like when they gave him that three year three point five million dollar investment. I believe they clearly had high hopes board and so far. He's fifty six out of sixty seven qualified goalies and goals about expected he's forty six and save percentage with eighty two for the year. But as you mentioned like the last couple forms has been really good. I wonder how much we should even Kind of account for or contextualized. The first couple of games because it felt like those two games right out of the gate against the flyers where they look like a complete mess defensively in front of him. He certainly didn't do any favors. But it didn't look like the team that we thought they were going to be in terms of being defensively reliable and having a good system in place and the reason why so many analytical models like them before the season so. I'm almost like throwing those first couple of showings out of the gate and obviously that adjust the numbers quite a bit but it is a big question. Mark abbott at the same time though it's gold ending as a question mark for everyone. I'm not sure if there's anyone out there that you could add. that will. All of a sudden feel much more confident about his penguins team. I think the bigger more pressing issues. They need to improve. What's going on in front of him to be that team that they were when they were gonna humming last season and the team that we thought they could be heading into this year when they were considered to be one of the more sort of dominant one five teams especially in terms of defensive metrics. Yeah i think that You're starting to see over the course of these last couple of games. They've started to acquire earn regulation. Wins which has been a big change of pace dmitri. That's they believe that one of the first you know third of the season so what you've started to see is the emergence of like a mike. Matheson who sort of turned his game around. Zach aston reese comes back in the lineup and scores in three street now of guinea malkin has started to slowly but surely pick up steam. Brian rust his son of become the straw that stirs his drink a little bit but the elements that are required to get to the point that you've just referenced and to be that team they can control the game at five on at five on five and do what the penguins have always been known to do which is draw penalties and then convert on the power play. The power play itself has even turned the corner recently. They have to start to get the firing. Because if here's the thing this is penguins hockey in a nutshell. This is a summation of their success from two thousand eight to present. They're gonna make mistakes defensively. They're gonna take chances. They're gonna pinch. You're going to do all these crazy things that you shouldn't do when you have a two goal lead right through all the fundamentals out the window but it doesn't matter because the power play usually operates at about twenty five percent right. They get these surprising goals from depth players on a near constant basis. Their top six is usually a complete. Steamroller they haven't had that powerplays trash really. Only the top line has been any good and that's been the biggest issue. So if they could just add those elements they could get back to their nature of pulling risky high high event hockey and being good at it. You mentioned malkin. Let's let's get into that here. I i think this is going to be kind of the biggest talking point of today's show of the reason why i wanted to have you on was because just watching all these games. I think malkin's performance so far this season has been one of the most baffling individual performances for me. Just watching all these games and all these teams and especially when you combine the expectations you have for an established player like himself. You know the test is really bad. He looks a generally generously. Like out of it in the sense that there's a certain level of of hesitation or indecisiveness like he gets the puck and zone and even on the power play. He looks like he's gonna t one up and then all of a sudden he just stops and he doesn't know what to do it. Like almost like is video game controller disconnected. It's it's very bizarre to me. I think it's interesting. He said he's looked better recently. Because i agree. The numbers have been better. Generally when they've put russ there instead of cabinet but at the same time. I thought in the last game against the islanders. It seems like he. He narrowly avoided injury when he crashed into the boards there but i thought he kind of looked like an old man when members. Al did that punched in where he was like very technically speaking just stiff and upright and straight legged and he just kinda crumbled into the boards a goal i believe underscored there where he flew the zone so hard and there was a turnover and then by the time the puck is going in the net. He was kind of looping around at center ice. i know. Just in terms of watching these games. And sorta i know you have a working theory on what's been going wrong so far this season. But let's kind of unpack that a little bit here because i think ultimately the biggest question for this team beyond the goaltending. It's it's clear that you know. Sidney crosby as a standard bearer and he's gonna bring it every night and you kind of know what you're gonna get from but it's clear that for this team. The ceiling is way higher when malkin's humming and when he's going and when he's not a big problem because all of a sudden it exposes sort of depth issues in terms of scoring. And all that. So where you out mocking in sort of you can take that any direction you want. Because i know it's a it's sort of a wide ranging topic. Yeah i guess so. There's a couple of barometers could use to gauge more. Or less where he's at right and kind of what's going on you know specific to the season The biggest one for me dmitri. It's been on the line changes Really bad just this year In terms of his decision making new leaving the play at times when there's the pucks in transition there was a a turnover he had retried a east west past Against the islanders saturday Right at the red line that got picked off off escaped and came back and went in the net That was during a line change by the way the defense was scrambling there but even his decision making to go to the bench I guess the puzzling part about this is at the early part of camp. I thought he looked center. Bigger maybe more ripped look too good in camping. In practice early on and then the story matriculate to rob rossi at the athletic was discussion happening about like how in the off season. There were no gyms available in in in moscow and he couldn't work out couldn't get ice. There was nowhere for him to go. So let's pause. Because i know we're going to change and discussed this topic like later. Let's bring this back and we get into the front office discussion. Because if there's an indictment of jim rutherford's time in pittsburgh and the disorganization that went on one of element of it is not being able to get evgeni malkin ice in russia like. How does this happen right rightly. How do we get to this point. So is it a windisch. You keep talking about these lying changes. And i'm breaking all this tape down of him making these just unconscionable decisions and when he goes to the bench and that's becoming of a player who doesn't have his win right. You would think leaving a shift earlier. Changing it in opportune. Time would be symptomatic of someone who didn't work out that much now like i don't know inside out of the story. I have no idea what made is so hard to come by. Were in a pandemic. I'm sure it's got something to do with it. But there was pretty clear to me that there wasn't a whole lot of communication between guinea malkin and the penguins and noting that just went out and hired somebody literally solely to run the hockey not run build a hockey operations department like you don't need a better example than being than like failing to get your star player ice i. It's unconscionable to me and i know there's maybe it's an easy out right. But a i think dmitri. It explains why he's gotten better over the course of the year catching up. It's coming to him. It comes time. Is there a level of personal responsibility on him to do something about it. Sure i don't know what it is. I don't know what it looks like in a pandemic anymore than i understand the visa issues. The castleberry cabinet had getting over here. I mean it's a weird world we're living but to me clearly and i said this to you anecdote only. There's a hockey coach. I had a very young age. Who had just absolutely shit on everybody he could if they were out of shape and he always used to say your breathing. If you're thinking about breathing you are not thinking about playing hockey. You can't do both at the same time right to funeral. Leave little convenience store in pennsylvania mitri sheets. Right had a sandwich that you could put a prevalent sticks on chicken parm sandwiches prevalence sticks. We used to eat it all the time and he used to. Scream is fine. you do that. eat them. But when you suck and you're not getting nice time. Don't come and ask me why because because you're eating parmesan sandwich. Chicken parm sandwiches with mariner sticks on them. So the idea. Like i get the impression just by watching on honor percent like not in the game right now and that appears to be the reason why it's affected i think both zones and the decision making. That's been the most puzzling part and what it's prevented. What makes that line usually. So good is the extended zone time it gets in right now. It's just been one and done. They get in. They take a shot. It goes off the glass they regroup and try to play defense. And that's that's wash rinse repeat. It's been way too much of that. And it's reason why he has so little to show for himself at even strength points wise. He's discombobulated you mentioned the the even strength productions. He's played two hundred and twenty five minutes. He's got one goal and three total primary points with him on the is they're getting out scored eleven to eight thirty seven point. Two percent high danger share in a forty four point. Three expected goal share and. I don't think it's a coincidence that the numbers are significantly better when he's playing with rust and soccer as they have recently. I think it was kind of interesting. That sullivan finally made that switch back. Despite how good rust had been playing with gasol and crosby compared to the numbers that malkin's had with was cabinet. And i wonder did a full podcast about hispanic happening after the trade this past off season where we were talking about the fit there and sort of what they saw them and and how he was gonna work with crosby and they've clearly been hesitant to put him with crosby and they finally did so recently and i'm curious how that's gonna work because i think you know especially with malkin's issues right now and maybe this is a bit of a moot point as the season goes along route theories correct and he gets fitter and some of those decision making issues get thrown out the window but it feels like i love captains and in motor but at the same time. It's such a wild and frantic energy. And i think even on his best days he or his linemates don't know where he's going to be on the ice with malkin right now kind of struggling to line up with with his linemates and in terms of the thought process and get on the same page. It's thrown like it's only exacerbated those issues. i wonder how much of that is part of it as well. Because it just so bizarre that all numbers with him have been so catastrophically bad compared to what they've been like with russ who he did have success with last year. I'll be playing with cancel as well one element to this. So we we need to mention. Is that jason's zucker in particular. I don't think it's been very great. Not again the environment being volatile as it is. You know that's certainly comes into play with a piece of it. But he i think in theory what you get from him is being a little bit of like the straw. That's that gets in there instead of things up on the four check generate. Some turnovers pressures the opposition. And then you get that finishing as a bonus right. I think for for sucker recently. It's been all too much looking for that finishing and not doing the other things that also add in his game and make him the package player that the penguins went out and tried to get twice right so that that that's been hit or miss throughout the course of the season and there's been things that have gone on that have. He's with on. Chances of the whole team was in a scoring slump through the first week and a half. He got caught up in that. I think it affected him negatively caspary cabinet and i think there were elements of his game. That did help. Malkin screw things together because captain when he gets it he just goes one direction. There's no east west right it straight. There's one option and that's it and it's fast and you know at forced into play a certain way. I think i mentioned you even the islanders. You know there's east west play that that caused a turnover. He got burned on I still think there's just too much of that. There's not enough of that like attack and get into zone and establish something i That has been what we've seen of cabinet with the gasol and crosby. And i have to eat a bit of crow on it. It's early. i know it's not sore is not yet been written on this completely but Some of his game honestly dmitri's been like the antithesis of what i expected. Now he's a winger rates who wingers don't have to exhibit a high level of defensive zone competence demanding positions more about just like argue present in a lot of nhl systems a winger. But he's you know there's been no deficiency there and i think the cross began began so line that that line will always be about those to have an ethernet connection that supersedes. I think even like what crosby had like hosa and kunitz it's just They operate on on on an forty chess type of approach to the game and cabinet and doesn't have to participate in that right where he goes. Yeah he does but if you go back early on against the first game i believe it was against the islanders this series cabinet and that goes in there and creates the turnover that gets the puck in the hands of guys that you'd end up putting it in the net. But he's out there being the wrecking ball and not to mention his presence in front of the net and the offensive zone and as you know is proved to be pretty good. So i don't know what the long-term vision for this line looks like. Maybe he just is the pascal we to throw it back to sidney crosby. That would be great. That would work. But i i think as long as he's out there ultimately leading crosby run the show. There's a place for him up there. But i don't want to get off and just yet just because i think the reason why. I'm struggling so much to kind of rationalize his. Start or or a contextual. Is it because you know. I think in a vacuum even for a historically great player. You'd say all right listen. He's he's turning thirty five summer. He's played. I think approximately or maybe even slightly above eleven hundred combined games if you if you factor in playoff as well in nhl. He's accumulated a ton of injuries and missed a bunch of time. And i'm sure that has sort of taken. Its toll a little bit in terms of the wear and tear but at the same time like this is a player. That last year was having much the monster season. i think he's eighty two game. Pace was one hundred ten points. He produced that at rates similar to his twenty twelve art. Ross and heart season. He carried the penguins in the thirty games. That crosby missed only pasternak and mcdavid generated. More points per sixty than heated. So it's not like we're necessarily talking about typical thirty five year old player that his best days are behind them. And i think that would sort of give me optimism that that this is gonna turn around above all else just because it will be so bizarre if it went just like that considering how good. He was as recently as last season to the first time really in the course of his career that something like that lasted for the course of season. Right i i think if we look at this Not only from a video perspective but also from a shot. Location perspective through hockey viz. They're just so much of what's happening right now for that for his line and for him in particular is coming from the perimeter of the ice. There's not really any drive to the interior. There's nothing happening in front of the net the slot areas. You know pretty desolate. And that's a great change from what you see and historically You're generally speaking. It's one that you know is down. Low working it from behind to infront Driving to the net creating havoc down there I just that again. If you think about this from the shot matt perspective no kind of lines up with what we're seeing on the ice. You know it's a lot of getting into his own Having a solid entry but then spending it on something that's a less than optimal chance and not really establishing any long-term zone time that has an interesting theory that you mentioned. There are no started cardiology. 'cause i was thinking like you know usually when tend to of the ability starts to erode for for great players you see the first red flags in shock generation rate like especially for guys who are volume shooters it starts to go a little bit and the most logical explanation is that struggling to to to get their shot off as much because maybe they've slowed down a little bit of whether they're processing their physical speed and and they just becomes that much tougher and his have just completely plummeted. Where there's no real precedent for the rate at which he's both tempting and getting pucks on net. He has so far this season compared to any any point of his career. And it just it just so out of line with everything else and so that that would lay credence to your theory kind. A lot of one and done where. It's tough to rack up those attempts multiple times and in a shaft where you're getting rebounds and getting the puck back and cycling and retrieving and doing all that if if it's just one quick bad shot or something or a pass through player isn't where he's supposed to be an all of a sudden you're backout zone and you're and you're hopping off the icy. That would explain the shot rates a lot to me. Well it also explains to dmitry wide. Brian plays mixed line place. So much better. And i've written about this that the elevation o'brien game as individual performer. Who can play driver wherever you put him. Co alliance with the micro data. That says brian rust carries the puck. More that the play is coming off of the stick of brian. Rest more than it used to early in his career. I think that there was. There's a differ a differential. Brian rust that existed in still played really well and scored but had a penchant for getting called out by mike sullivan and remember jim. Rutherford made the comment. Some guy's got paid in rested on our laurels Which was a direct reference to brian. Ross playing in a slump but something clicked for him a year and a half now ago where i think he realized you know. I don't i can make this happen myself. And it aligned with him. Having more carries for sixty more entries per sixty more transition opportunities the passing data changed. And i think. There's something to be said dmitri when your the orchestrator of the play right because if you think about this from like the forwards perspective if you're crossing the blue line and distributing the puck when you enter the zone what immediately happens after that you go and get open like you've distributed the puck. You're no longer the play driver and now you have the opportunity to do what goal scores do. And there are a lot of elements that are shared in brian. Rushton j. gansel in terms of their both smaller guys who have a penchant for getting open and just finding space and being able to weave through the defense in peel off players just change their momentum a little bit and that's what it's about anywhere he goes. You see this uptick. Because he's not no longer really afraid in my opinion to be the one. That's doing that. That conductors work and as a driver. I think it's produced a lot of really great outcomes for him one thing. We learned this offseason salary. 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I think he's down at ten percent now by simply dislike shutting. the puck significantly. More where i believe. He's getting over one more shot on goal per game so far but you visually. I've been wildly impressed by all those things you just mentioned now in terms of his activity in just how often he's on the puck and how dangerous he's been like. It feels like he has been their most dangerous player in terms of just like constantly finding ways to get open and being around the puck and that clearly a very legitimate skill. And so you know. I i think he's certainly transcended a buzzed and mark dong status. And he's become his own entity because he followed up last year with. I think even taking another step in in terms of development and so from a silver lining perspective like. He's like a a legit player now in my mind. Yeah and it's been a huge boost for them and a team that i think struggled to find reliable five on five production outside of like teddy blueberry and sidney crosby whoever's with them 'cause it's generally that's generally the been the driver behind the bus this year It's been a it's been welcomed and it's you've seen already. You mentioned immunity mike sullivan just put him back on that malkin unit to kinda give that unit a boost having a player like that is for coach. That's not afraid to use. Those changes is just such an asset known. I think you've seen mike sullivan. This year try a bunch of things and not be afraid to to break it up and we saw brandon tanev on the top line Top six briefly against the islanders this weekend. But i mean overall i mean no relative to you. Know the rest of the team you know brian. Rust is just flat out outperform. It is seven percent. Higher relative to the rest is human shot eight percent in terms of spectacles for they've just been able to kind of pick them up and plop them wherever they need to get things going and it's been a lot of reliable minutes. How do you want to talk about the the front office and shake shakeup and sort of the the bigger picture not necessarily on ice stuff but just organizationally were there. Yeah what's a good entry point for this. Cause i'm i'm here's what i'm sort of most intrigued by just like from a principal perspective. It's so bizarre to me that well okay. So do we feel. Like the organization was legitimately blindsided by jim rather for this is step down or was it something that they felt like was potentially a realistic outcome at some point earlier legitimately blindsided. I think i think a legit. I think you would have considered it a legitimate outcome like six months from now. You know like at the end of this when it's all wrapped up and everything is said and done this season. I don't think there's any any indication that it was going to happen. Post camp eight games into the season the day after they had one of the most embarrassing losses. I can remember a team having where they were competitive and where they had that overti- where i think it was malkin low teigen. Toronto failed to get a shot attempt on and then came back down and scored and it was like this time season that they failed to score on three one. O not those two players in particular hangs have had. I want to say three separates two or three on one opportunities that have all but they haven't even produced shot sipping mind-numbing. If you told me they did all while of getting balkan i would believe it because it was the perfect encapsulation of everything. We just talked about in terms of struggles. But i agree with that without with no inside. Knowledge of it would just make sense to me that they didn't see it coming. Because i just don't understand how you could allow someone to not only treat away your twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. I take on future financial commitments if they were expect them to to see it through the architect of the entire operation like just the decisions and how active they were leading up to. This leads me to believe that they did not see this coming organizationally. Because that would be just bizarre timing. You literally can't take on a greater financial commitment to mike mathis contract. Does one exist in hockey. Maybe moneywise but certainly not from term perspective I think that like what we ended up. Well first of all let me say this. What shocks me is that. This discussion that we're having here together isn't happening. Pittsburgh and really didn't whether that be due to accessibility or cantor or relationships. But the man who quit eight games into the season by and large just had like a lot of thank you piece like a lot of thank. You comments that were coming out about it. Like i think even to the fan base. I was surprised he didn't get held to the fire a little bit more. But i think from a fan base perspective i did most fans probably felt it was time for this. I don't get the sense that a lot of people were upset by his departure. And i think because of that. You got less vitriol out of pittsburgh than you normally would you know. I think that exposed the penguins for being like kind of disorganized. A little bit I think that there was. I think there are things that normal teams do right from from hockey ops perspective that the penguins don't do because of a lack of infrastructure though. I think when jason karmanos left. I don't which wasn't really. That was jim. Rutherford sky right. That was his right hand and that was not his decision per se. Some of his other Gone charge. Goes you know the the system coaches are out. I think it became less his environment. There was a lot of discussion of tried to trade la- tang and they said no that. There's no evidence to suggest that what i think happened was Situation became untenable for him and he felt the need to leave. But i'll tell you this dmitry. All the proof is in the pudding right and what we know for sure without not for sure but we'll be believed to be true. What we've got on on good authority. Is that the penguins try to bring in dale tallon last year as an advisor to the team right. So what do dale tallon and. Brian burke have in common. They're they're both guys who if you're looking for someone free. Let's forget on ice hockey ops decision making second because it's both of them are awful on that. Okay if we just focus on knowing the business and building a department either one of them are arguably to the best. You're going to get it right and so the message from the penguins for me was we need to get our house in order or not modern. We're not cutting edge with hockey ops. And we need somebody to build it from the ground up whether or not that ultimately is what pushed him rutherford out. I don't know. But i i can't tell us i think ultimately jim brother reticence to participate in any of that or his i guess lack of Enthusiasm some of the administrative aspects of the position. Probably is what caused that that that the divorce in one of the reasons why the penguins were looking for someone to build it as recently as a year ago. Yeah well there's a lot of nhl organizations that are behind the times in terms of how cutting edge their tactics are and the departments through building. But i just thought it was bizarre because you know the the most well recommendations are the ones where everyone is in lockstep where the person acquiring the players just typically the gm is aligned and in instinct and shares the same vision and and the plan as the coach in terms of how the coach ideally wants to run their team the personnel they need putting them in a position succeed and you need to kind of ensure that the coach you have is going to actually use the players the way the person acquiring them intense in terms of when they're constructing their team right and so for me right remember. We're speaking offseason. Don't you think it was a lot of decisions. Were like Doesn't necessarily seem like the most. Mike sullivan approved personnel. In the sense that was never necessarily about skating super as a team. It was much more so about being really smart and playing fast and having like really high level processing speed in terms of thinking the game so that always kind of struck me as sort of a bizarre but not in sync with one another in terms of what we'd expect from this team sort of the players that retargeting. Well it's kind of like saying dmitri that tampa bay's identity was more in line with what blake coleman was doing and not brayden point. It's like looking at that tampa team and saying well. They got tough. that's what did it. Brian burke is the one that you said that I mike sullivan is the wild cardinal of this right because the time line of events here is the penguins go to brian. Burke bring him in as an advisor to the general manager search right so he's now participating in the process they hire ron hextall and then they say brian burke you just stick around and build a sucker out from the ground up so you so for that part in particular you kind of get the sense that like everybody's on the same page right because it's i can't imagine a scenario is wildest. Brian burke can be where he's gonna step on the toes of the guy he hired right like that's not serving in anybody's best interests and to be fair and just a brief period of time. He's been here. We don't get the sense that like he's poking around like every like it's very much normal day to day stuff so i think the question now is like how does mike sullivan's philosophy year view on the game align with ron hextall right and we have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Here at some point okay. Because nobody wants to do it. We have to acknowledge that the penguins group in particular this group of fans from the time. They've been together had a very short shelf life for coaches and it. Probably it'd be short on average if ray shero hadn't tied himself. Dan byles mas boat and had them both sunk at the same time. Right and that's what caused ratios. Departure was the fact that he didn't let go of dan bosma so i don't know why that is. I'm not saying it's an indictment of the penguins. I'm not saying it's it's something that's bad. Maybe it's the nature of the beast. But is mike sullivan at that point. I don't know i have no idea. Does ron hextall. No i think like this is the one part of your process flow that you laid out that is like a giant question mark. I mean. I think it's i think mike sullivan even this year. I think you've seen a a more measured version of him. There's been times where he's called. Timeouts and done like mike sullivan stuff. But i think even my you know like you hope. He's not even feeling that he could be comfortable and do what he wants to do. But i mean. I imagine in his situation. You know you're kind of like you've got that odd man out feeling and every all the familiarity kind of had his yeah. He has some kind of interested in in the general timeline. And sort of the what the overarching plan would be both in terms of the the new. Gm and imprison hockey ops came. And i guess you could. Kinda factor the coach. Luke them him in as well but like it's pretty clear we had this conversation malkin. They're going to reach a really interesting position here. We're after next season on exhaustion. He's gonna be up renewed. He'll be thirty six years old. You're going to be a tricky spot for them in terms of figuring out how much he has left in the tank and considering how much he's meant organization similarly with chris tang you know your you're crosby is still great and i think we both agree that he's going to age gracefully because the subtleties of his game. Lend themselves well to to him. Just picking his spots and kind of getting the most out of the people who's playing with. And i think that's gonna try very nicely over the next handful of years but just in terms of the planets are how much i think for the most part box themselves in with this group where there was one thing you would say bojan all time when we talk show is okay. He's willing to acknowledge his mistakes. He's willing to make a bunch of moves and stay active. And if you're mapping out the blueprint for how this team not just for the rest of this season but heading into next year and beyond kind of improves an and gets better and maybe creates another window to compete in. Just you make the playoffs and bow out. Be clean in round one. I'm really curious what that looks like ultimately and if there is a plan there and plays in terms of what the pitch was when they were doing interviewing process because that would be the biggest question. I'd have if i was owning team and try to hire someone or enable someone to run it. Guess encouraging thing if you're a penguins fan and you're thinking about this like what is the organization looking for in a higher right. What we know about the group of guys that were involved in this like we know mike fuda is like a prospect guru at what he did with the kings. We can say the same thing about ron hextall to some extent like a guy who has generally managed assets. Well in that regard. So i guess like you get the sense that they are looking for someone that can make the most out of the you know the bad situation. That is their draft. Pick cupboard It was a big knock to the penguins. Prospect pool in san poland and make the world junior team but are like was a reality. Check like how good of a prospect that you have your like is is. Is this player as good as you think he is. And now obviously he's playing with nathan laker e. invalid or they're together. They've been great but it's just a reminder. I think of like how tenuous the situation. This is an and i think what surprises me about. Penguins fans is the level of no craps given they've thrown to the post like crosby malkin era. You know and it's like and i look at the rangers. The rangers aren't perfect. They've made some dumb decisions. Which talked about jack johnson. And they got lucky right. I mean you have to get the lottery ball to fall your way right but they also made some really good business decisions that enabled their pivot to be much faster right like it was a lot quicker that could have been and i think i would use that is a reminder to penguins fans because a lot of this is like mike. Matheson signed at four point. Eight mill through twenty twenty five twenty twenty six brandon ten on three and a half million through twenty twenty four twenty twenty-five these contracts that per new from the new york rangers into something much worse right that prevent you from making that quick pivot and it just seems like you know that win now at all costs mentality is still very much alive in the city which it should be when you have sidney crosby and hopefully some version of guinea malkin looks better than the one of are kind of old ought to yourself as an organization but at the same time i think those are mutually exclusive ideas like. I think there's a way to build a team. Well that is sustainable trading. A first round pick for casper taking on his contract which limits you to added another three million dollar winger that could conceivably help you more if you identify a different skill set. So it's more about. I think like a misappropriation of assets in that sense. Yeah in finding someone that is not only going to make the most out of what they do have to isn't going to overpay for situations that that's been always sort of been always that that was always the jim. Rutherford line dmitri. It's like well you got to pay a price to get the players you want in this market. And that's true like there's paying a price and then there's paying your price right and if your price and your valuation is so far off the mark like you're not even there's no very competition here right. Like who else was calling up toronto and saying hey you want our second best prospect in a first rounder for cabinet. I know your phone's ringing. Like even if no matter what the situation may be like going into draft this year and taking two goalies back to back it just it seemed like there was never really a true grasping like what what is the value of a dollar. You know in this environment that we know there was never really that since we that at any point. Yeah definitely box himself in with the taliban of identifying a player you like and then just being like. I'm going to get this player regardless of the price. It's like well. There's other and that's why we discussed but when people would say okay. What is a twenty the an eighteen year old now. They're going to draft in the first round. How much. I really gonna help. Sidney crosby win another stanley cup and the answer is well. You can use that eight year old to get a better player than the one you got right now. That can help him more down the line. So i dunno i. It's i'm very curious to see how they're going to approach The rest of this season. And i guess maybe more accurately next offseason in terms of how they manage those timelines. But that's a story for another. Is there anything else that we didn't get to with his team that we should touch on while we're here like i feel like we kinda hit most of the main talking points. I will say though. Like in terms of i guess i was going to end with a bit of a vibe check in terms of how we're feeling like i. I do think that you know now that and races back and you have that third line intact if do molin comes back in can reunite with tang and allows you know marino to play with better than it allows much more stability in terms of the combinations that you can use and using players the way we've already seen them succeed in the past and so i do think there is a roadmap for this team to be the five on five team that we thought they'd be heading into the season and i guess that would me some optimism of penguins fan that it's not like the door has been completely shut on them. Yeah i mean. One hundred percent agree in especially makes it that depth. Pc you mentioned. I mean like alcohol. Up cody c. I've been on the code. Acc redemption bandwagon all year long. But what it really is dimitri and this. This is a real lake You know it sounds like i'm throwing shade. On gonchar jacques martin and cetera but like they got a lot of credit for mike sullivan just taking players in deploying them in a very sensible fashion. You know the story was always gone. Char rehabilitates jamie alexia. Jock martin rehabilitates justin scholtz. What really happened is like they just played them on the third pairing and they gave him like basement. Level minutes against easy competition. Heavy offense zone starts you know sensical deploying the player and you're witnessing right. Now cody cece. Being sensibly deployed was zero expectation on him and producing some of the most fruitful performances. The penguins have had all year. And if you don't believe me you can look up game score and you'll see cody. Sec's performance january thirtieth in the top five of penguin individual performances. This year. that is no crap like he's it's been that good and the reason i bring that up is because if he's keeping those minutes right and you get these guys. Brian dumoulin comes back in and look. Looks like what we've gotten used to seeing. Brian newman and look. Like and that elevates. Chris hangs game and we i lost what i what we got out of marina and pederson group in a brief period of time that those two were together markets. Pederson looked like a completely different player. Just carrying the puck confident as ever chip in on offense There is a roadmap here like you said to them being this team. That can maybe not compete right with boston. But can be clearly the second best team in the division and you know really you think pointing thing like we said earlier preventing them from doing. It is a touch bad goaltending in their defensive issues. They really have been i. I think the thing that i would take from the past. I remember years of penguins. Hockey is the been a perfect sort of test case for. Just show you. How much context matters when when it comes to taking a player and using them in a position that's in line with their own individual capabilities and how can lead to too good numbers and then similarily when they've had injuries and they've had to stretch some of those players kind of beyond their limits and maybe ask them to do too much to seeing what happens those numbers as a result. And so it's it's kind of a perfect example of that. I think you know to bring this thing home into really have a full circle ending here really. Just how washed up was jack johnson. They were unable to get those results in that usage. That's that's that's the big question here for me. I mean it's just. It was so bad. And i told everybody you know like that scene in jurassic park. You know where the kids are freaking out. Because of other parents left them. You know i try to like position like mike. Matheson and cody dr grant in that situation. Because they're just not that bad no matter what you wanna say about their contract no matter what you want to say about their pockets. The link skills or their decision making they are just not that bad and the difference for the penguins is this season is that they have been able no lied switch confidently deploy their third and not have like that wounded animal that you have to hide and talk away for a very special circumstance to bring it out so it doesn't get hurt right. That's not a thing anymore and now it is for their fourth line but defensive defensively speaking. They haven't had that problem so i that's just been such a change and i can't like there was i hate it i i i'll appoint. I'm not too proud to say to me. I won the argument at the end of the day. The internal argument in pittsburgh. About whether or not jack. Johnson was sinking the penguins. Yes he was and that was a problem. We can say it was a problem. The rangers have the same problem now. it's just been passed on the rhetoric in new york is the same now as it was in pittsburgh it hasn't changed intangibles character locker room etc all that stuff for whatever reason i don't know what it is. People were just kind of inclined to to sweep it under the rug. Mike mattison must be. You can speak to this better but he must be a video. Guru video person who specializes in video breakdowns. Must be just such a dream. Because you're right. He actually does kind of bring stuff to the table. And we've seen that over the past handful of games where there was passed himself off the boards or and i think it was the most recent game with his puck-carrying through the neutral zone kind of being able to to be aggressive and create offense owner. But then you also see the limitations in terms of in zone coverage where he's like covering double covering pj's guy and kind of taking his stick completely out of the shooting lane and just allowing jordan eberle to waltz that an unattended. And it's like what what is going on here. How is this a decision that an enhancement is making any sort of run that full gamut of the pros and cons of mike madison. And i guess there's the ultimate story there is that there really are no boring shifts when it comes to this game. It really aren't and there was a really like certain. There was a circumstance that for me like was the sort of penultimate mike and mike mattison moment of this year and has came off of his first goal when he was sort of floating about you know but the point and crosby made a drive to him up top which is a signal for him to swap rate and take crosby spot and drive in and it was just gorgeous. Not only did he do it. But the lane. He chose the position. He put himself into received the pass. Is you'd think that he in crosby'd executed that play a thousand times right. They were just guys playing together for ten years. And it's like i think that's the that's the testament to what he does offensive when he really does create an and there are some times where he carries in enemies one on five and nothing happens and it's totally fruitless. And you're like what just went on their you know but it's it's every time he touches the puck. You're in for a treat. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's bad but you know it's it's i think more recently i think he's he's starting to sort of pinpoint What todd reirden is actually looking for and where those moments are where within this system. It is okay to do that. And i think the biggest problem for the penguins has been. They loved to attack the puck in the defensive zone. Three four guys. Sometimes right they wanna outnumber you on the puck. But what does that do while it means one guy. One player has to be responsible for the slot right and often times. They meet you that guys. Mike matheson in and it's just sometimes been really bad so you get both. I mean you get a little bit of each. But i think the arrow is pointing up so to speak steal a phrase from mike tomlin and a in its bottom bottom pass in pittsburgh no doubt i mean the flash. I think these brought to the circumstances has has has definitely bought him some leeway in pittsburgh all right well you buy yourself some leeway here with a peo cast after another great performance Jesse plugs himself. What what are you working on these days. We're going to be particularly on the right now. Working on like a steady blogger and all of the good things. He does honestly one of those players. That i just like a hidden gem of the national hockey league listening to this. And it's gonna watch the penguins soon. I implore you to spend some time and check out the young teddy holding it down on that third line for them and to be frank dmitri's just some of the stuff he's doing we'll see. On the video. I have is just downright obscene defensively and pocketing really good centers. Night in and night out so very branching well. This is the boston globe. We got to do this. And we'll have you back on down the road. Thank you appreciate it all right. So that's gonna be for today's episode of the hockey. Bdo cast as always. I wanted to thank all of you for listening to today's show If you enjoyed it and you want to help us out you can easily do so by going. And leaving a quick little rating and review Five stars go a long way towards helping us out on a greatly. Appreciate a lot of you have done so already Also if you've got the time and you're feeling up for it. You can leave a quick note there that lets potential future listeners. 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Keeping Up With the Blue Jackets and All-Around Disappointments

The Clapper Report

1:12:16 hr | 7 months ago

Keeping Up With the Blue Jackets and All-Around Disappointments

"He's a fat stack. Goes out again. I laurien what's up everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the clapper report. I'm justin aka. Not elliott freeman. Joined with damian. Not geoff maric. What's going on man. How you doing you know not being a reminder my grow. We're doing good. How did great week. Glad to finally be don. I feel like we just recorded like yesterday. It feels like this week went by quick. See i was gonna say the exact opposite this week for the longest week in my life. Well i know you're not feeling too all right. Well i'm feeling better now but Yes we guy was from tuesday night to think. Yesterday night i was feeling like i was dead. So that wasn't fun but So yeah so. That was pretty rough. But i also had a drive my college and queens on wednesday when i was taking it off and but i had to. I had to drive from where we are two cleans and then drive back home than i class until ten pm and i was just like man i have not slept s couple nights let alone probably make the next day such a busy day care. I definitely have an adjusted. Well yeah i have. An adjustable started semester. So but yeah you know. There's not a lot of news this week to talk about Religious continuation keeping up with the blue jackets new. Gm in town a potential new in town. We're gonna talk about the islanders economics we have a new little thing or not little thing. I guess is some we're to do. We're going to build a team the of the players who are disappointing. Most this year and it's a fantasy update so Should be a pretty light episode. If i do say so myself. Nothing too exciting so I'm ready to jump into it. Few are how ya you wanna start off with your hardcore song of the week. Oh man so this past week. I've been like listening to like a lot of older music or at least music that i listen to when i was younger A lot of pop punk and brought me to this ban data remember. Is the band that i chose this week The song specifically is nineteen fifty eight. Which is which is off one of their really really older albums I think that this one was and their name was treason so yeah just came back out back in two thousand and five so back then. The span used to be a lot heavier than they've turned out as of late. Have you heard like their last couple of songs that they put out. No i haven't refused. It would tarnish the my vision of them. It is legitimately a pop band like their pop band now Which is highly disappointing. Because if you listen to this song. Nineteen fifty-eight again. It is incredibly heavy. And it's superfund this whole album. You know they have a couple of lighter quote unquote bops. I guess you could say but majority of this album is fairly heavy in pretty hardcore. So it's a good. Listen nice and fun for me. Yeah i I was really into their like homesick album. And then what separates me from you. Well the homesick album. Like when i'm came out When we look up when it did actually went to go to that tour so his back in two thousand nine and it was like one of the first show is that i actually was like up in front of the crowd. Like near the mosh pit and i remember they came out with like the gumby sudan. Shoot and t shirts and shooting like onto the stand Onto the crowd it was. That was like one of those moments when i was young. Because i've been going to concerts since. I was literally five years old so i've been around music forever so to finally actually be like up in the crowd. I remember that being like that moment. I was like dude. I love music. And i love these live shows like i was obsessed bro. I was obsessed with his band ever since that moment. It was so sick. They were They were one of the band's to really. I mean it's like heavier music to really bridge the gap of like a pop punk bullshit and words. I listened to now. Yeah exactly and they're pretty good. Listen you know. I mean especially the to because where i worked than it was before that that lou i mean i think title was one of the bands that really got me into have you data remember and then saugus titlefight. Yeah yeah there are definitely monumental banned for us for sure. So i picked up the band that you know isn't monumental to like my growth. But they're a big part of my listening library now. I guess spent cold restraining order and the song is called something for the youth really catchy lyrics like minute long songs and the other just really fun to listen to really follow suit again. I mean i took a break last week for my fancy stuff but Back to it now. They kind of old older like punk. I mean even the album art of their most recent album. Think it's called. The world is too much. I think You know it just stay. I feel like they embody like older punk so Got osama yeah no. I'll definitely give them less. I feel like i've heard them. I feel like they're in our playlists that we have so. I definitely heard a song or two for them. But i'll definitely given more of a solid listening than actual attempt at listening to them. Yeah you got him. And how can you not. I mean all their songs are literally like like a minute long. I can't really. I think this long as one of the longest ones that they have. Yeah exactly all right. So are you ready to move on to our favorite segment as of late. Yeah of course. I am I'm hyped. I'm not really a fan of this team. The team in in conversation. Here's the blue jackets. But i gotta say. I'm i've been quite obsessed with the the news in the drama and the and the speculation that revolves around the steam as of late with all the trades and tortorella. And everything like that but We're continuing i think what now we're on like a month into this now of talking about the blue jackets each and every single week but I didn't realize it has been awhile. I it's been weeks bro. I least three weeks probably a month at this point that we've been talking about them. They just can't stay out of the news. And this is the only team that i feel like has like this drama right now. So they're being bullied right now by the media and we're probably not helping but hey are few listeners. Will bully them to the but they make it to the for tortorella now benching china. I think only in a second game as a as a blue jacket. I think it was. I think it was the fourth i think. Oh really oh shit. I think so. They played a lot. Surprisingly i think of the past like week and a half. Yeah i guess i'm not used to teams a lot of games considering. I'm an islander fan and nave barely felt feel like they've barely played but rather than the connects where they've played like every fucking night because they suck well. It's just gonna be fucking hell hole at the end of the season but anyway about the blue jackets Yeah i mean. I think it was only I feel like it was only like partial the second period and the third period that he was benched I think it came out that it was due to an altercation with an assistant coach. Actually yeah which is pretty ridiculous. Considering especially that i mean he he just got there. You know it's it's not sleep. I mean how much of a dvd. After be that you're literally what two weeks into being with a team. And you're fighting with assistant coaches like i one no. It was said that he likes say something about his skills and lineup went off. I mean i don't get it. He was like my boy justin here. He's cracked at four nine. I mean like the I mean especially as i dunno. It just doesn't make sense to me. so yeah towards white too kylie of that and he benched him however i just saw that. He played twenty minutes last night. Coach amount for twenty minutes. Which is a pretty enough. I think he led the former group. Yeah i think he did lead and he apologized for his actions to actually to the media. Any apologize for the coach to which you know. I mean i think we also forget though. I mean. he's still twenty two. You know. I mean like yeah. He's supposed to act professional and everything yet but like when you're young you're still hot hood. I mean you shouldn't have somebody you learn his lesson. You know yeah. I mean like me personally like in my job right now like i feel like i don't know if it's like a i dunno i. I'd be too nervous to make any noise like that to be going at an assistant coach especially on his team that you've got to so he really your job. Well yeah that's what. I was getting out here. He really has to feel like he's the best. Es line is like. i mean. I think he's definitely here for sure. I'm saying on the t none of the league. Oh well yeah i mean. He's for sure. I well best on that t on the blue jackets who's better. I don't i'm going to their frigging lineup now. Just because i. I mean jones but jones is playing that well right now. He's out. yeah no. I know but i well also i mean in a sense of like. I don't wanna say veteran ship but like being a part of that team. I don't know yeah. You must really think he's just shit though literally just walk in and say what he wants. Show up do. It does what he wants to end. Leaves look like what he wants to. I mean good. I guess you can right. Yeah but another part. It's another funny. Part of the trade. Though is actually a jack russell because nine points in the past six games to that's nuts ron n line. A are both under top. Line literally reshaped their team with that trade. Ghia lake yemen. I don't know it's pretty gnarly. A i was gonna pick him up. Last week was really going to and i. I doubt it because i just i just added it. I'm an idiot. I mean you know a guy going to team. Not really the best of teams. You don't really know what to expect. But so far so far so good drop him or a route behind but a are i was gonna drop. Rupee hines for him. But yeah i don't know what it is hindsight's always twenty twenty and other part of the blue jackets though. Yeah yes true. Another part of the Blue jackets like key. Blue jackets is that Quickly retired isn't that nuts after how how long has it I think he played sixteen years. Yeah mikko koivu I think it was sixteen years but like nuts and he played like five games. Yeah so sixteen year career and he signs a one year contract one point five million dollars with the blue jackets play. Seven games does nothing gets two points in that span and then just says you know what. I'm quitting goodbye later. Yeah i mean. Listen i mean you can't be mad though. I mean he had so much time in the league and especially during season. Like this where you've already made your markets like why even bother you know well. Yeah i mean it's kinda crazy especially after being the captain in playing so many games at the wild like kinda feel weird like. Why don't you just retired with them. But i guess maybe he thought he has left in his tank. Got there and realized that i really don't have it and you just call it quits or or is there some problems in the locker room todarello. Did he push out a speculation. I wanna push. That's the angle. I wanna push here. Would what do you think. That tortorella said Because somebody must assess them about linus nights. So what do you say about koivu. Well i think. I think that koivu didn't get picked up on the four nights squad so he's a little upset about it. Felt a little out of place so he went the torch so he benched for that and it's just causing a big rift locker. Wow quite place for day. Duty plays for night with him. Do you think well tried to. Couldn't i dunno. I finally realized he doesn't have anything left but kudos to him for nice career. Great career but As another question mark to the to the blue jackets. I think no come on russell civics gonna take on all four center deal deal you know i keep forgetting that they have max domi. I really keep forgetting that or any offseason this past year i was just thinking i was like who the hell do. They have for center and then i was like wait a second quite literally. Have max domi playing on the wing though at least from this lineup sheet. I'm looking at are. They thought they were playing center at least on a sheet down looking at data on the left wing. I don't know if that's true true so true though yeah i. I don't know. I was watching the other night. I forgot where he was man. Now pissed i'm trying to remember. It was the night that It was sunday night when it snowed and they had that ridiculous offsides call. Oh my god. I completely forgot about that see. It feels like a year ago. You're all in the past now Yeah we're that Where the intern he He messed up the call. Really did you sound see this. I heard a lot of people going nuts about you. Know a bad call and even even confirmed it in the war room and it was bad but explain How god it was like a year ago and he this so basically the hurricanes scored and they put them down to one. I believe or three to something like that. I think it was three two and there was a minute. Forty-five left in the period the second period and so toward challenge and says hey that was all sides so they go okay. Let's look at it so there looking at it and the angles that they were showing that i didn't look off sides. Then they showed another angle like a minute later and it was like obviously all sides but they come out and they say oh no it was good goal and columbus gets a penalty like power are all. Yeah yeah forgot they. minor and so So what's it called. Senate comes out. Then that in between the periods the rest to columbus and they're like listen like we're going to take away the power play will be can't take away the goal because there hasn't been a precedent for that so torrellas team. The blue jackets are fuming and So what happened. Was this intern. Who like helps make the call up to toronto to decide these things like to have them look at it. He only saw the first two angles and goes. Oh no. that's a good goal and the rest heard it and go okay. There we go. We got the call went out yet instead of like actually and so when they said good goal the people in toronto were like wait. Whoa what are you talking about. No it's not a good goal and so it was a whole big screw up you. I would say the montreal screw job but it was more so the columbus fuck up. Yeah that was raised and they wound up losing the game by one goal. No yeah of course special would've fucked up like that. Yes it's so ridiculous and know it's just crazy like they didn't release the guy's name at all that fucked because he would probably get death threats but nothing completely insane. I if i were him i would never show up again. You're right and it's like literally like an intern. Imagine you're entering somewhere in the happens. You know jesus stood yeah. It's it's fucked up but nonetheless it's pretty funny for us to talk about those especially some not columbus fan act fact well that was another beautiful rendition of the keeping up with the blue jackets. I'm glad we got to do that for yet another week. Yeah exactly hopefully the continues. We'll see how far we can drag out this This segment you will hear something about like. Oh a columbus re looking at news and columbus to this effect the blue jacket anything to keep it up anything to keep it going. You know their favorite restaurant close. Does this cause a rift in the locker room. Where are they going to go now. Friday nights after the game where they're gonna go burger king. I heard that if you got the extra large fries that it's going to take no kidding but do they have actual. I still feel a large fries. Well listen if you're on the blue jackets you can get whatever you want bro. Now you get the you get the secret menu when you walk into a burger king. Damn i i wanted to. Secret menu burger king. Well one day one day. We'll get to that status. But i guess for now. We'll keep things moving here move over to the metro or east now whatever and we'll talk about the penguins and their recent acquiring so i feel like you have a little bit more interested in this than i do Yeah i mean. So they The penguins have been looking for a gym for a while. And then they. They named ron hextall former goalie and manager the fires as the gm now and brian burke is making his return back to the management offices as the president of hockey ops. At on one. I only noticed because of twitter. But ron hextall was the first goalie to score the To score a goal actually the empty net. I've watched the club. I remember seeing it. But that's the only reason why. I know who it is and brian burke again off the commentating type stuff wasn't he on like a sports right. Yeah so getting back into it. I don't know. I feel like they have a lot of work ahead of him. I mean yeah you know it's tough. It's a tough decision for them. You know whether or not they continue with path. They're on which i mean. I guess they have no choice right now. 'cause they're not at the bottom but You know or do they. Try to like started rebuild. But you still have getting malkin and sidney crosby Still kicking so playing. Well so you know maybe try to milk it another year or two but they might be looking not like contenders you know. Yeah i mean. They're not looking. They're not looking too hot right now. Especially in net a little bit of a precursor there but I i i don't know whether they're going to do. Actually see a lot of people talking about it and every every time. Somebody says they always say well. It's never going to happen. But do you think they would. Maybe partways malkin andover crosby. And everybody's talking about it but everybody's also saying that. Oh it's never going to happen but with the amount of people talking about. I feel like that has to be something on their table right. I mean i feel like it's just something that's like so out there at least right now that people that people have a choice but to talk about it true you know it's just like oh my god this is the unthinkable you know So yeah i mean. I don't know if it were to happen. You know. I personally don't think it would happen. But i just want an interesting because i feel like everywhere. I looked everywhere. I heard about the penguins. That's what i heard. And that's what i read. And it's just like jesus dude like you really think they do that. Which made me think that maybe it is possible. But who knows i think the real issue is now more so than any like forward or defencemen. Malkin has like one year left on his contract after this year. So it's possible that he gets moved. But i don't. I don't know if they would do that. Yeah i feel like if anybody is going to be would be malcolm but he is having a ariffin ear. So far i mean not to far this season he could turn things around but value wise like in houston malcolm so there's still value there but he's really not doing all too hot right now so who knows that they'd really be able to move him for what they would really want at the deadline and then at that point you you might as well resign them. Then yeah yeah. You're right because you're not gonna let a guy like malcolm gopher absolutely you know it depends on how much he wants. I mean that's true. But i don't know i think was just too much asking for nine million after season. He's having so far. I don't know if you really can but maybe you know i mean because he would help. Keep them afloat. That's true so who knows. I don't know i just feel like they have a lot to do and i'm sure that these guys are going be wants to do it. Though i mean. I hope so no. I don't i really don't care. I hope leg ron hextall. But you know. I don't like seeing the penguins when stuff. I would rather see the penguins one another cup. Especially considering the mario lemieux than sidney crosby right at back to back and it's like give them a break deserve thirty years of mediocrity and yager. How did i forget. Yager teams had everything fed to them so the anytime they were on the brink of relocation or bankruptcy they're like given something ridiculous fat cat affect whatever so speaking of giving people things Something gave me nausea last night and it was the golden knights golden buckets horrific looking those that were quite honestly ugliest fucking things i've ever seen. Fuck vegas fuck. Their helmets fucked their jerseys. Fuck everything about them. Fuck those helmets. Those terrible who thought that was a good idea. Yeah no they were not good looking at all like come on bro. Really like are you okay. Did two year old design that come on. I don't understand what the fuck. I'm a lot more mad than i should be about this. Like i i remember. I thought it was their minor league team. That was getting them and then all of a sudden it was the nhl team. The had it. And i was like wait. What and i the idea of it sounds like it could be dope it the way. That luggage is looks so goofy looks so bad no they just look like shit i. There's you know it's like it doesn't match the gold of their jerseys. I know it looks so out of place the look like some dumb space commanders bro. They're stupid. I saw that on instagram. I literally started crying. I started vomiting and then shitting at the same time. Geez while crying. Those things were terrible. Everything about the golden knights just gets worse. I hate them. I literally. They were getting ripped so hard online. Good who thought that was a good idea. Where do you come from. Who let their let their child design those and said oh yes. Bring your kid to work day here designers helmet. This looks like something. I would have made macaroni in fourth grade. Come on attic especially with the the black jerseys. I mean obviously has called accents on it but it just looks so goofy on it. Do think how much the whole who designed those getting paid. Think about that. that's disgusting. That's a shame. That's quite literally treason. I think by definition webster dictionary. It's treason naga not good at all. Yeah anyway those things suck wanna to move on to our to our teams right now. The islanders in do a little quick recap on their past week. Not really but i need a bag over my head. It's been that bad you're going to have to. You're not the film in you wanna do it now. I shit talk again. It could get another sip in bud. Get another so how many games they play three games. I think since we last So as to this awesome. Was it three. Yeah so on saturday. Lost five one against the maple. Leafs she is that where jason got a hat-trick. No it's not it's a it's not ruined sentence on either So then they lost three one against the maple leafs on monday and three one last night against the flames. I mean they honestly played a lot better. Monday and thursday They actually looked like a hockey team which was nice but like but like with the maple leafs on monday. It's like it. Looks like the maple leafs we're like. Oh hey i feel bad for you. You know like here. Try your best. And that wasn't even their best or they were playing their best and they were just not getting the puck into the net and then they just needed was eleven seconds or something and i may believe score twice like i mean. i'll toronto all all fairness. They're playing phenomenal hockey. I mean eleven to one so far on the season. I fuck them. That's just a terrific start for them. The whatever there but I don't know that was frustrating. And then last night against the flames canucks playing well again. You know flames got two goals bounce off a defense and skates I mean pederson. Bre pederson scored the nicest fucking or got the best assist in the world. So no for like so. He speaks around two flames. Guys then bank passes the puck and it fucking goes to besser and everything ambassador shoots it bounces out a little bit and then just stuff said it was the best player of the year so far and i was so high washington i've freaking out Than the flames scored twice. You know of great but uh scored on so much. 'cause i literally just went to look at their sats like first off point per game looks great right but then like negative thirteen a. We're going to get to him the later on a hub ahead. I just i wanted to take a look at kinda. See what you're talking about but cheeses students. Yeah i mean you know. It's like they play like how they playing the past couple nights or the last couple of games. We wouldn't be having this conversation but they've been playing like shit the past other fifteen games you know so. It's like our three their excuse me three their wins against ottawa again. I know i said this before. So like i don't know man i don't know it's something. So elliott freeman aka. I guess my alter ego. He said he What did he say he said. Bombs are pulling up. The was a sally freeman for. so well. Okay i'm sorry. So he said it's a hard call on what's next for the connects after six straight losses because they lost six in a row and said. I saw this thing where it says. According to two separate sources connects ownership is beyond frustrated with the team. Start and is considering a change at the general manager position. Ooh if the team can't right the ship and if this series against the flames does not go well. I believe we could see the end of jim. Benny's tenure jeez good good around the corner. Yeah we got three more games left. Fuck it of dumb with i'm done Again i went on this rant last week. you know. he's had seven years and you know we need to shake up A better not be peter shelley but you know whatever. Hopefully the coskun do something this week. Make me happy. And whether that be winning all three games against flames or firing embedding or both shed. I don't care. I don't care which do one one of the three of those and if not that. I'm disappointed not consider this week loss. Jeez i mean they gotta do something. They're moving off from the. Gm's their best option. I'd have to take it soon. Have so much young town on team to waste away like that though. Well exactly. that's the thing. I mean and another thing is like so everyone's talking about jt miller and How his critical attitude is bonkers. And it's like. I think people are just making it something but then i'm hearing people talk about treating him. What's i'm like. Are you serious. Like i don't know man. It's just like stuff. I'm hearing from different podcast and stuff like me. Jt miller one of your top point producer. Now yeah but he has been playing. Well you know. I mean it's like he's getting a point but you wash play a needle. He gives up on back checks occasionally. You know it's like i mean. He led up a horrendous. Go on saturday. You know he gave brady matthews and hopi staredown was like dude. What the fuck. Apparently they like discussed it on the ice. And we're like what the fuck is wrong with. You like she and the hope he was like. Yeah good you know. We need to hold our players accountable that you know. We need to hold each other accountable and jt echo that the next day and was like yeah. You know what. I deserved it. I wasn't moving my feet. You know we need to keep each other in check and play together as a team you know. And so i also. It's really fun for the last thing i'll say about the quinn hughes was quoted as saying that he That they miss a lot of the guys that left in the off season. Ooh that locker room and everybody's reading to be like oh my god couldn't who is unhappy with the ra. Like relax like okay. Yeah he could be upset about it. Same time it's like it's business. You know. I hate to say but it's a business you know it's like marcia one. Six years cooks could give them six years. Ten four cooks weren't comfortable giving up four years based on his injury history. Early you know yeah tan of yesterday. Hit a fucking disgusting crosscheck to somebody on the islanders midsection. I was pissed. I couldn't wait to talk to you about it or am i wrong. Bradenton right faw. We got a net. No kidding i was like i hope they shoot myself week because i actually thought that yesterday then correct myself and then set it again today. That's fucking hysterically. Actually you see. This is why we got that. Now kidding. what's it okay anyway. That's my random talks for now Yeah looking connects. They suck hope some turned around for them soon. Bro he'll bad adapted feel bad. It's all right. The islanders kinda did a little bit of a turn. I feel like i've gotten better on ice lately. Yeah from what. I've seen Has technically house for them on the real bright side. They're on a five point shooting right now. I game point streak. So they've lost in overtime three times while two time one shootout. They've been playing better as a team and finally the bottom six especially the fourth line in particular has been producing points. Finally i mean all credits. A guy like casey though you saw his goal last night rights. Zico's this fucking crazy dude as all. Yeah that was a nuts goal and that identity line starting to get a little bit of that identity back of being more physical finally. Yeah that's really good to see No saw martin martens had such a tough start to season. But in the past two games actually or i guess technically three. He's gotten three point so that's good. Glad to see that he's at least turning around a little bit but fourth line is looking rough still good news for the islanders oboe. Is that byu He's coming back so he's actually practicing today. They're not sure if he's going to start tomorrow but without a doubt monday he should be playing so that's good to see kind of get a little normalcy back to that top six. Yeah need a bit more. That goalscoring again. Oh yes if he can come back into his bubble form you know. Come back from this injury. Because even before he left he wasn't even honestly looking not good. No no all but if he can come back from that. Playing good has a little bit arrests. Obviously he was coming off an injury but hopefully comes back. I know they're kind of shaking around top six. I think they even have bailey on the top line or now which by the way. Bailey is trashing to get rid of him. Dude is literally an anchor on whatever it blind he plays on but there's like nothing similarity like like nothing. Looks like it did last year. Like everybody's on a second line when he's producing pretty well. I don't know if you've seen released mcginn a lot of good shots and a lot of goodwill But they haven't moving around like he was on the first one is on second line so i hope you coming back in. You know you can move back up. You know you can move. Michael dukakis michael dot calls on the second line now. He's progressed You know through the years like last year. He wasn't that great but this year is looking pretty good. But i really don't consider him a second liner so hopefully they can move him down to the third luebeck. Get that good and have that third line of like. I guess washroom. Jj and mdc. 'cause i don't think they're going to be given bellows another chance but he i mean that's the biggest thing i mean. These young guys need to step up and you know he's been doing it. You know we still go you know. He's been playing million times better than he had been. You know everybody was calling him a bus last year. Yeah well. I mean because what he's He's twenty three now but some people take a little bit longer to her. Some players take a little bit longer to develop which is fine. You know. But i don't know i think i don't know i don't know i actually could be wrong about that but anyway your michael dell call he. I don't know i just hope. I hope he finds himself on the team. Especially when the lineup is healthy and they have everybody in the right spot. I'm hoping that it'll be able to gel together third line. I'm really upset that they're not letting bellows take that spot. Though i feel like he played really well. But i kind of understand the fact that they don't want to many young people in the lineup. Yeah i mean. I feel like i've always been rooting for bellows. Yeah i mean. He's a guy that i've been following for a while and honestly every time that i do. Gm mode. he always blows up. So i want him to be always he's always. He becomes a top liner bro. Every year i play them. So i mean obviously it's not gonna be the real world but i don't know i i'm pulling for them. I hope they plan little bit more Nothing really else. Much to say besides heartbreaking loss yesterday and but they are planning to better. So i don't know what to expect out of them realistically. Yeah i mean the there. We are team right. I mean it's like you know they have an identity you know there are hard to play against team. No good defensive structure with Not really superstar besides barzal but Sasol team all around. But you know there are guys cycling in and out of the lineup. It's hard to maintain that identity when you have all these changes you know when people rotating in the lineup and we're sponsoring and being the tried to find it especially in a shortened season. It's like rough because like here. There are already almost almost a third into the season. That's like damn like are we figured you know. Yeah no hundred percent and i mean lucky for them. They've had fairly solid goaltending out of her allama as of late he's basically like phenomenal. Really great especially in the east but outside of that defensively. They're not really getting. You said it right like they're not playing physical game like they have that identity that they can't really get to. I don't know hope they figure it out. I hope this next week. You know they keep that trend of getting a little bit. Better hopefully get a couple more the and the column because dern fourth place right now technically so they're technically in a playoff spot A couple of teams like buffalo jersey have a couple of games in hand but they haven't even played because all the fuck was. It's so that's another thing. We'll talk about that with the fantasy. But the cancellations suck dude. I know it's messed up as it does. It does but anything else in the islanders bar sales goal last night. Jesus christ that was thousand insane. One would say rad one would say rod and other than that. I don't think i really have much else to say. Fuck the islanders. Getting i hope they do. Better for the hawks. This hawkeye being a fan of them. All i know is pain. I'm but yeah exactly man. Speaking of a pain Well not really paying but these players are feeling pain. 'cause they're all snake or they're not playing well and So we are doing a team of disappointments for the both of us oregon like a line. Starting lineup has that bruma starting lineup of disappointment players. Who disappointed this year. Yes yes. I realized that Two i have two sets of two players from the same team so syncing all right. Yeah i kind of tried to keep it a little as much as i can to like the east so that way it was like players like i've actually seen play because realistically i was watching a lot of games in the beginning of the season. But i've kind of really fell to washing majority just islander games as of late. Yeah but there are some people just keep hearing about especially defensively That That i'll mention but for the most part of of stuck to the east of that could you know it's funny for For me i don't. I don't really watch the eastern games. I guess now besides the canadian religious watching the canadian yet. So i'm watching games from a lot of the east as well but actually all but two of my players from the east. Yeah four my six or from the east. Yeah i feel like. I feel like the is like realistically one of the only divisions that it's like they're studs aren't really producing as well Yeah i mean you look at the canadian division. I think like eight of the top ten goalscorers right now are in a canadian division. I just gawk buster. Shoutouts number two in the league goals woo. Yeah they're going off right now Goalscoring wise and again. I don't really know too much about the rest but the east. I mean it's weird. It's a weird weird standings. I feel like definitely yeah. Let's get the start. So do you wanna start goaltending. Sure yeah a little unorthodox. I feel feel like everybody would but i love it. I love it. Let's goalie i or you want to go. You want me to go first. Man let's hear it all Maybe biased but brain. Hope you okay not that. He's playing poorly but he I feel like he's letting more soft goals than i anticipated. I know that it may be unfair to be like. Oh you know 'cause you know the the team hasn't played great in front of them. But i don't know i just feel like he's disappointed a little bit especially because he was supposed to be challenging denko for that number one or you know to be like a one a one b with them. Go but like. I don't know. I feel like goes played better than hopi you know and thankfully because he's on my team kidding yeah But yeah. I don't know have really been impressed with hopi. That he was a few years ago. I know last year wasn't a good year for him. But you know. I kind of expected a little bit more Again that could be biased. I coulda went with i. I don't know. I keep hearing people complain about matt. Murray all yet. Marie sucked anyway. So i don't know why people were expecting anything from especially on the senate senator so stupid as fuck of our. If you had met marie. I'm sorry but that stupid. No i almost did just because just abysmal. I decided to go elsewhere. Yes that's my little on hopi. Well actually you know what kinda give gave me a good segue. Because speaking of matt murray he came from the penguins. And that's where my goal tender is tristen. Jari on the penguins. He's been looking real real badly Honestly casey dismissed who's their backup is actually looking like the better goaltender Especially after his win last night against the islanders a lot of people are calling for him to remain a starter. Actually but yeah. I mean just a really really rough start. I mean he's two for four and now which isn't too crazy during his. The penguins of really aren't that great. This season i'd say but has a three Three point nine. Five games Goals against it. Was i think his before his last start. It was almost at five and his safer. Centers is eight fifty seven right now. So that i would say. Do you think they're mad about losing that mary book. It's like they just they're so bad and that's why i said earlier that this is kind of like a precursor to this conversation but i feel like they like new. Gm and the new There they gotta figure out that goaltending situation for them quick because it hasn't been looking good and it's not looking good right now at all. They're considering using their backup has their starter so rough out there for them. Yeah i feel. I mean yeah. I don't know goaltending such a weird position. You know Yeah i don't know. I don't really have much to say based on. I don't watch penguins at all. I mean i've only seen a couple of games. Like when they put unders. And i think i watched one of others 'cause I'm looking out for my boy malcolm there but other than that. I don't know they're pretty trash so don't expect him to do too hot so all right so i'll go with one of the defense. I'll get my bias out of the way. I put quinn hughes d- You know the point per game quinn. Hughes i put as a disappointment Seventeen point seventeen gains. I believe that's what he is right now but I mean a lot of men. He's just been pinching at the wrong times. Making stupid passes you know. He hasn't been looking like the defensive Defensive legend quinn hughes. He was last season and legend. I like it. I mean he's playing great. You know he was like i don't know man. He was playing exceptionally defensively in this season. It's kinda just like he's there you know and The putting the points up these breakways are are these giveaways just costing connects goals. And it's like. I don't know how much suffering watching it you know. Oh yeah no. Yeah so that's gonna be Quinn hughes my first defense in my first defenseman and admittedly. This isn't a team that i really watch all too much. But just take one glance at his stats. And from what i've been reading online eric. Carlson completely forgot about him. He's been off to a really rough start Just held to what i think. It's four point so far this season. Yes something like that. Yeah so yeah. Four points in twelve games played. I mean the guy that moves the puck fairly. Well i mean in a full his last full season he had like sixty two points so he he was one of the best puck waivers in the game. Yeah he he's typically that puck very well very efficiently Just is not playing to the standard of our carlson. you know. Last season was rough for him to but yemen him. Maybe injuries caught up to my no. He had that achilles heel injury. A couple of i think in two thousand eighteen. Yeah the maybe. That's catching up to him now but he does not look like the same carlson from five years ago. No not at all. And he's not even that old. I think he's a thirty one or something thirty. He's definitely not old. He currently is thirty three years old. So i mean man. I don't know sharks. So let's let's cut him a break there. I don't know maybe yeah. I guess i'll give it to him that but yeah he What boy why are you trying to convince me that you're the one that put them as a disappointment cover break too much. He should definitely be playing better than he is without a doubt. Yeah i mean. I think it has to do injuries. Hassi right. 'cause i don't know he east be like one of my favorite fence in washington and now it's just like 'em like you don't look good at all not at all but So my second defenseman. This may be a little off the board. I have asthma. Lean on the savers who he has three points in ten games. Granted they've been you know there's been a lot of postponements from them but But what's it called. He hasn't been playing defensively like himself. You know he just hasn't looked like the number one goaltender in the league as he said he said i was watching it before. Oh what's it called. sorry guys. I was a fight between Brian lou and the rangers and trent Frederick on the bruins fight trending on twitter bomb. But yes so restless dolly and just hasn't looked like the future or this winter that you know everyone said that he you know he just hasn't looked like it and i know he has more we can do better he will do better but So far this season he's been a disappointment. I mean a really rough star for him so certainly deserves his His spot on the disappointment list. Certainly so next on my defenseman is Seth jones good choice. Oh you're talking about before. Yeah yeah we wear how you know. He hasn't been looking to hide. The team has been looking to add again. Obviously that's a common common theme. But i mean just looking at his career stats to i mean. He's he's been very good. You know Come with the puck and score too especially even as a defenseman hasn't really done that. I mean he has seven points so far and fifteen games but eleven on the minus there. I dunno columba's definitely kind of rough columbus like the and the thing is is like they they have a fairly good forward squad. I'd like to think right you would think that If he's able to move the puck around to them you know they should be able to get some goals. Which i feel like to have what he was being involved in the play i can tell i really watch them too much but yeah i mean he just has not really look. I don't know he just really hasn't looked like the sessions before you know. Yeah i remember even in the fantasy draft. He was very high up. We're we're playing fantasy and we had the draft. Yeah i don't know where he was actually projected. I think i can look that up. But from what i remember. He was very high up in our draft. Let's see what he was projected. Can i say so. He was rejected ninety nine but for preseason he was projected for ninety nine like to be drafted at the ninety nine spot. Oh because projected. Rank is seventy five. Okay get yeah. I'm looking on the computer on the phone. So maybe it's different but maybe high. Yeah i mean he. He has four points in the past week. But that's just the past week you know. I mean that could be a little a little spritz of whatever but i mean hopefully. He returns back to his form. You know. I mean hopefully. That's a trend firm those four points and he can keep moving that all right so to keep this moving i got for one of my wingers. Ice alexi lafraniere The one point twelve games. I mean not much to say he really has been visible automates. Yeah not really much to say about him He's eighteen year old rookie. But everyone saying the he's one of the best prospects since crosby which i knew was bullshit but you know i mean yeah i didn't. I didn't even expect this to be free. You know you're expecting a lot more. I know everybody was yeah. I was expecting a bit more. I mean he just looks invisible half the time a fact so i don't know i don't really have a bunch of sale. Yeah i mean. I will say this i do have One of his linemates on my list. I have capo cocco my loca so yeah i mean. He's playing on a second line with him he. He hasn't looked like something. I feel like they were expecting a lot of growth out of him and fellow that he could probably really help solidify their top six. But i mean this season so far only three points through eleven game so far Every time that the islanders faced him he hasn't really been too much of a threat Kaku to be a lot better. This season i guess Maybe playing with a rookie playing with laughing areas and really helping them especially considering he's not doing too well either. The yeah i feel like that ranger squad has been a little Little lackluster especially on the goal side of things. Considering what everybody expected in the off season yeah no. I'm with the. I will continue with the rangers in a minute but But i have for because of another one on the list but but for right now i have makita gustav as my other winger. He's one point nine games. I mean i believe he's injured right now but You know ever expecting to be a bit better any. He is just not play like himself. he's playing like invisible right now. i don't know i just threw him on there just because i was like damn i need another winger. He has not been playing. Well no he's and especially on the devils team where. I feel like they're really shocking. A lot of people right now Yeah so having some production out of him would be great for that devils lineup but Yeah no looking at his stat line. He's not looking hot at all. No without a yeah. I don't know. Yeah so so. I'm going to start with what's kinda hitting close to home kind of talked about him later earlier but I put matt martin on the list at a from my left winger grant. He's afford liner. So i mean. I guess you're not really expecting the world out of them but The islanders team they they really do they kind of pride themselves in that in the fourth line being one of the best lines in the league or at least it used to be our another one of the worst and through twelve games the only three points and he's been relatively like invisible especially after getting the contract that he got mr nearly five million dollar man. You expect a little bit more out of him. You spent a little bit more fight I mean as of late. He's got those three points literally in the last two games so he's starting to produce a little bit and fourth line general starting to play a little bit better but overall. This isn't the matt martin. Now we're used to and especially after getting paid. It's not what we would hope for so no exactly awfully. That tied has changed. I mean yeah. You would hope. But i don't know i mean like you said he's a fourth liner so it's kinda like i understand and being disappointed especially because he is such a huge part of that team in locker room. Yeah yeah so we'll see. Hopefully things are looking better for him. Now hopefully yeah So my last player. That i have is mika zibanejad. I mean we knew he was gonna regress this year because last year was nuts lake completely bonkers i mean. I don't think anybody expected last year. So yeah. I don't know i mean he's three points in twelve games. He's not playing good. You know top line. He's not playing. Well been threat against the islanders. Either no i mean he's dragging them down and You know everyone's like last year. They're all my god. This is like the rest. This is a comeback story of giant. You know he's going to be the best ranger center in a while. And i'm like i really. I don't know. I didn't buy the hype by that. Hype. 'cause he has not lived up to this year. You know nonessential your. But i mean man. He gauges doesn't look good. We used to chop his hair a little bit because man that thing is flown no he is not looking too hot and their team isn't looking too hot even tonight. They're down one going into the third. So true okay. Andrea miller picks it up because i need a gofundme. Yeah oh man. I can't wait to talk about fantasy. I'm pissed but i guess i'll go really quickly then and actually fuck it. I have fucking malkhaz my center. Who's on my team. And he hasn't been doing shit. He's been absolutely terrible. Yeah i mean. He's even in every single one of his little press conferences. He screaming. how he's you know. I'm not like myself right now. I'm not playing too hot. Actually believe it or not. He actually scored a goal last night against the islanders didn't have him in my lineup. For some reason oh because he was injured and he was cleared to play. But i mean i guess he has you know he does have seven points in twelve games. Which i guess. Isn't that bad for like a normal guy but like we're talking about getting malkin right now. He is supposed to be a lot better than this especially considering. He's you know the second face of the of the team realistically like he's the Right hand man to crosby. Basically so i you expect more out of the of him and it pisses me off because i finally have my fantasy team so fuck get better than the eight work. Get better buddy competitive buddy. Get better buddy. I mean why he had fifty points last season. We'll just a bow and yet fifty for the past three before that. So i don't know how he turns it around. Oh i'm sorry seventy. I was looking at the ronko this yet. Seventy four points. I season seventy two the one before ninety eight and seventeen eighteen. Jesus christ yeah. He's had his motor going for a while as been going off for a real long time basically his whole career literally is all career. He's been nuts. And then of course this season he gonna shit the bed. Okay all right whatever. Yeah so that was our Our disappointment lineup of The season thus far. I guess maybe we can do this again. A little later in the season right. I liked it. Yeah why not others. Another fight with the rangers and Do four so far. Jeremy jeremy lauzon and pavel buchnevich scott fox. They got really that out. They gotta clean up. Who does that game four fights. How many penalty minutes they have. It's there's been a bunch from what i saw. There's thirty two penalty minutes for boston's so far twenty minutes for the rangers. They're fine crazier now. No there's only been two fights. It's just that wow zahn got like fifteen penalty minutes okay. Okay sorry sorry i'm going. Nuts was four fights. Jesus christ honestly. I was looking at twitter. Maybe he said four penalties that could be more or less what he said. That's probably what it is. I'm trying to like keep up with. Nhl twitter our doing this podcast. So it's kinda like messing with my head now ruffea but new over fantasy team real quick get data if we must if we have to. I mean it's not really looking too hot for my boys this week I think i'm still in this though. I technically have the league right now. But not a lot of games left compared to My opponent actually projected to lose by like fifteen point. So it's very close. I just need. I just need connor mcdavid. I know he's been going on for me but i just need him to get like. I don't know. I got three goal game and again like another hat. Trick is even playing this weekend ono. He connor mcdavid doesn't have a game this weekend. What the hell. How does he not have a game. Who made the schedule. I'm skinny but i don't know i'm not feeling so. I just pick somebody up today. Because oh i took devante as offered by the i. So i put him in. And i did pick up somebody else but i pick up. Oh i think. I picked up my kaufman today. Actually so pick who i dropped. Yeah hopefully hopefully he produces a little bit tonight but I think i think tonight. They only night that he's playing. He's playing saturday to with both games against arizona. So saint louis go off guys. Go off on On arizona's police as long as jordan kyra goes off to. That's what i need. Do the two of them. Let's go i g. I just had so many postponed games. I mean carter. Heart hasn't gotten to play. Also so i'm pretty fucking pissed about it Yeah it's not fun for me Sony postponements that like. I don't know it's messed up not really have much else to say. I yeah yeah. I don't know points in game back so i was pretty cool. That that's a good boost for you. Yeah yeah everybody needs to get back to going going along coast man. Yeah so that's really it's just been so many postponements and he's fucking american teams. They got to figure it out. Yeah i know. I mean everybody in our fantasy league was look. We're going to cancel the season. I don't think they're gonna. That was so weird conversation. They were didn't even. I didn't even chime and do awesome. They started bringing politics into like alright. Right all did i won't point. Yeah so it was like wait all right. Let's relax a little bit. But who knows i mean. Listen i get it. There's a lot of cases in a lot of cases are on the rise ear still and of course initial players are going to get it. I think the. Nhl has responded pretty well so far and made changes in their continuing to make changes. I know a lot of people are saying that up a couple balls especially with like the devils for instance And i think there was another situation with another team this past week where it was like they pull players off the ice like either right before the game started or when it already in progress so obviously there are some things that aren't aren't necessarily working for them but i think and i don't know why this wasn't sentenced to begin with but they added rapid testing to being one hundred percent needed before every game. I think they were just doing. Pcr tests in waiting on those. I don't know but the nhl is making a lot of changes so i hope that That number starts to go down and especially too if you think about it. If a lot of these are having their outbreaks and they're having them now you know the chances of them being reinfected again during the season should theoretically be low hopefully Not that. I'm saying that i want an entire team to get covid. But let's say you know a vast majority of them get it. The chances of that team getting reinfected after below. At least i would think. Yeah so who knows. Hopefully we'll start to see that simmer down a little bit as the season progresses and a lot of fantasy teams. They'll get screwed over like yours is have been. It's been so depressing. My fantasy team sucks. My team sucks. I know my schoolwork sucks. I know feels like a like the worst year for me to finally get into Fantasy hockey no definitely. I mean it is. I mean it's i first time. I played for money so worst time for it. So yeah yeah for sure. But i guess we'll update everybody next week on The standings were relay. And hopefully we squeak out victories. Hope so i need a win dude. Tastes is one player to go off. And then all of a sudden you have lead so who knows. Hopefully mike hoffman can blow up in. Who do you say. You need a point spy on that team jordan. Kyra jordan cairo. He's on defense. He's a. he's a center center jordan cairo on saint louis. Yeah i don't see him in the lineup. I lied. I'm going blind honestly. I need this weekend. And i need it now. Dude i know. Well i still gotta do homework and shit so she terrible but for the rest of the name. We playing cod. Yeah oh man. I've been playing cod like crazy all right before you yell at me that i haven't been playing with you at night but Dude ever since draw league playing cold war bro or announced dragon. Listen league plays it. I'm i'm already an expert row. Let's go all right. Well yeah okay anyway before we get onto leplay. Saw sars are yeah. We play has bonds Seattle we're gonna be China rarely post this. We slacken honestly. I know i feel like we do good for like a day or two and do a couple of story post. But then Lives get hectic can story slows down a little bit and it gets a little hard sometimes to make post but uh we definitely see a lot of interaction when we do post a lot. So hopefully we'll get back to that so we gotta get back to doing that And if we do start posting the which we will It's going to be at the clapper report on instagram. T. h. e. c. l. p. p. e. r. e. p. o. r. t. and Yeah you fine. Regular updates from us and Yeah yeah no definitely follow us I'll try to be a little more conscious of posting and y- let's talk and please leave us a review on apple podcasts. If you're listening there If you're on spotify Give us a follow and download the episode that does allow for us and please share on her instagram guys. Share with a friend. Who's a hockey fan. Means the world to us when we hear people sharona our podcast around so thank you guys for listening and So we'll see you next week see wasn't too bad.

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Blake Bolden - Barrier Breaking member of the Los Angeles Kings

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Have i think the last time we spoke it was we did the forty under forty and it was like look when i say last time at lake. We talk all the time. I think that was the first time we spoke in it was It was great to talk to you but even more it was so fun to talk to people in the hockey world about you because of just the respect almost aw that that you know when they would chat about you it was like it's really cool to see somebody who so universally respected like that. It was really fun to do now. Eighty s looks amazing. Seriously oh my gosh. So there's so many different directions to start in. Here's where. I wanted to begin this conversation. Because i know in the past. You've you've connected with with girls in hockey in one of the areas you've done. That is through mental skills. And i love this. I love this topic in a love. This is a jumping off point. When i talked to people that are into space. 'cause i'm into it. Ammon to growth and development. I'm into finding ways to do that. And i i wanted to start with with you. They're in kennedy. Get your sense on what that looks like when you're talking to necessarily just girls and hockey's people in the hockey space when you're talking the mental side off. The mental side is something that is often overlooked is really just what controls everything for controls how we respond to certain stimuli or bad you know specificially when you're playing a highland sports something like ice hockey where and things happening in moving so fast is important to take care of your mental so i take breath were addition. Mindfulness that in goals affirmation self-development very seriously is. I realized how much it's helped me over the years and and it's just a simple thing. Bright is checking with yourself and and ask yourself higher doing view real yourself. But i just want to share that to as many people that can because you can work out you can lift weights large as you humanly offer can check in. What's under the hood and anything can happen. What does when you talk about. Mindfulness in in kind of your daily structure. How does that look on a daily basis. Few absolutely i believer of just waking up an intention Very easy can just wake up and eight. You know the very few things that you're grateful for could be something as simple as pre trial can see. I opened my eyes. Just being positive versing. The morning can say day up for success of statements. I definitely decent proper yesterday. Actually to presentation for the nhl. Play inclusion committee announced really nervous. Because all these heavy haters again. Right owners. John's gary batman and speaking on behalf of my committee and i had to do some major breath word i put on my headphones and listen to some powerful version music in house like you. I got this right. And that's the type of stuff that i want to get. Those people are just then inventions sitting down doing breath work. Maybe john down some things that you want to achieve or the day and long crashing are you. Are you a journal or like do do that. Intentional with the daily basis You know. I am. Linda small journal or not someone who's like roll thoughts and feelings and emotions but i just write down like you're keep going these goals for the next three bucks visiting that you are achieved today next week. So it's not like older. Were late little notes quotes right. I'd love to dive into the player inclusion i. I didn't realize that you're you're fresh off a meeting with people at the league and just to get back on just just so i can the listener in and you can correct me if i'm wrong but this is a group that has some former players Kevin weekes dancing. Carter that some current players Yeah i think. Pk sudan and ryan reaves jacob slaven and then some women hockey players yourself and former and current Sarah nurse juliet. You met megan's on it. Yeah so can can you. What was the focus of the meeting if your share as much as little again that'd be awesome owning a generally of to inclusion to the As groupie mentioned amazing game changes in our sport generally is trying to figure out is to empower players and connect you engage with our community and our hockey culture so we can't just broke down lil conditions that we've had for executives including committee Like i said for the gmc owners and things like that and people like yeah. So i will go into too much detail about that. Because i much sure but were developing a plan right now in the nhl taking very seriously because they don't want. This is the snowball fat. That's been happening in the last year to just be a moment and we seem to be a mom that we wanted to be a movement. We wanted to be something. Sustainable that can west our hockey do when you say the. Nhl is taking serious. I think there's probably people that wonder how true that is and this is not to. You know what i mean. They they see there's been some friction. I guess i would say with the hockey hockey diversity alliance in end so wh- but you're on the inside so you can speak to a better than any of us can win. When you see these owners of these gm's or you've talked to. Gary and bill would do you see them receptive. Maybe more than people realize. Or what do you see what the nhl is as the biggest league that we have. As far as our space the hockey community so the biggest baddest in terms of power. There are always going to be said about what we could be doing. More and and i think you know there's a their own long half a playoff the way that we would have liked and people involved in everyone's worried about keeping her safe so there's so many things that are happening right now or and i can say from experience the fact that the nfl is taking the time and people carried up and then kit is an and the list goes on and on people who are sitting down team at time and listening to then act. Something i of women have represented to the nhl You know the fact that is happening. These vollers rolling in moving and to be changed. Offer the bear and my opinion. Yeah do you think we have seen again. It's never as much as we will want. And i always want to give that caveat but we have seen some. Some movement in terms of front office hires in this. Maybe it's a hard time to say this right now because the just not sir moves in. You know it's it's brian burke and ron hextall who have been around a long time but where it is in terms of growth in that area in finding new voices diversifying front offices. I mean we see it with the kings are doing with you. You know bret meters. Gets the job in florida. Your your role as you've been a prominent voice in a row. Where do you see that growth in. How do you assess the job that you know. Individual teams are doing. I think it forces all always like to talk about this. It's a little bit of a soft competition it's like however we being the most progressive franchiser cloth that we can be an people like seattle. Were doing some amazing work and and being extremely inclusive that in sheng. Lie on what everyone's doing makes you internalize okay. Well one of the puzzle pieces that we need to put together to to stay up in evolve as as a club so it's nothing but great right. I think now were town. That were very excited. We're giving people. They're flowers kudos and it's not the same as just hire people that are qualified like peterson. You come on his amazing he deserves this position and people can't be granado who's an olympic gold medalist. The first hour right so we have such an amazing people especially retired athletes We discussed this our leadership committee and we want people to stay within the sport that have passion for the game that can contribute so much more. Because you know different. Different perspective really roosevelt about that change. We want to see so. Hopefully it sparks a ha. Okay so what can we be doing better right. I know you in the past have described your your hiring even your interactions with luc robitaille which led to it as serendipitous. Can you tell the story of running into him. And and i think if i remember correctly was with while you're with rene hats right hours live in her rene has her amazing fan base bruening people that are sarah's civically women into hockey spaces and i have reached out to her. I asked if i could join in on all the fun. It was obviously the first time i ever stepped into staple center will blogger. Hockey club does is a ruin this group of diverse backgrounds in to And nhl facility. They watch the game. They get this red carpet out for them. Course as awesome has been looked is. He's got to introduce himself and i saw him and we were in the zamboni area on your louis just saving photos next statue. Let five minutes week conversation. Kwami mason was there. Russell is far. Cast off your bill. Okay so I talked to him and he knows all about hockey right. He suppressive he's always tried to think about what's going on in space. And here's a galloping leaguers doing so awesome mazing standing over you believe off and And he literally just like this which can't ever thought about being a scout and i was like well A meeting like our challenge. I already know bio deathly interest rate of combing involve situation. We should playing career. So of course. I was going to say yes and thinking about opportunity and surely after that i was going up to staples center time watching another cheese game meeting key personnel within the organization broadway blake nelson. Emerson of people are movers and shakers. Obviously make decisions so seeing you'll be set and then interviews and they are now as much as everybody thinks that i knew there it was. It was good when i talked to you. You you said you said you were kind of in this this mode of just trying to to learn the process and really work you know work through it and now here. It is a second season. I would just be curious where you are in that process. Especially when you factor in cova. Didn't the restrictions were all under in trying to assess players of as media or a scout. What does that lake view on a daily basis. I started january thirty first scouting job. Ever been a little bit over a year and definitely more comfortable. New was is then just a video scouting at using a lotta bar network or platforms to rewatch games which is nice because you can press pause and play. Go back and look at things. A little bit differently But also with your makers draft when clinton by all of our process got watchmakers and jump we offs were. I was really invested in the games more so than i had ever been watching the nhl obviously worlds while prospects just crush it And yes it's been such learning her right and everybody in the organization is constantly giving little tidbits and reaching up to make sure that. I'm kate who the heck is going on An three desk questions are probably ask. Nellie questions all the time and he so gracious The tweet right or accelerate. And you just have to dine in a feeling good right now would what do you think. The hardest part of the learning curve was just going in cold and to try to do it. Really like hind management and At this at the time that i started scouting i was also playing so it was like okay of go. Watch this this time travel this again and there was a certain number of games ahead imprison versus the games that i watch online so the time aspect was really challenging but home. it's it's on so. I can watch the game as many times as i want. And being the comfort of my living room my fireplace uses Right now and it's less challenging getting in the car and schedule driving in coming back and then playing reports. That i'm just i'm just happy to be here. Honestly and how the here and having worked with such an amazing organization like los angeles kings and buren gossage great initiatives. Coming up and working with children. You the bath we can on scattering. Theft is keeping busy tail. Yeah what was. I would love to get your perspective. Quinton by field in you mentioned that draft and it's a historic moment for him in. What did you think of him as a player and then getting to meet him getting to know him yet. I'm making you. Ships were restrained keeping players they so personnel doctors trillions and If they're all in the mix and just here offsides do a job so i never met him but he seems like an awesome guy. He seems Very light. I think we might be doing a little interview later with a keeled. Thomas of this mark He's a powerful guy. He is explosive. He's dangerous he watching him and world will follow any of that six game. Mistletoe and Yucky i really for to the development right and fake the someone who is now than what the franchise for entire year on understanding that. That nuances of okay. We drive to this from the who asia. Now he's with the giants allow people. Why isn't he playing in the big clubs but the development is so important and and getting your feet wet and understanding what like to be a pro and it's really cool to see so we'll see those guys in there though plays great. I think it's really fun to watch. can't wait till they're like ready to do rocket. La kings jersey and and skate of staples center. It's like the kings as an organization are fascinating because like we just rolled out we ever organizational rankings done by prospect writer scott wheeler and he had the number one in. It's just loaded like it's gotta be the energy. There is an organization. I know it's not always be on the ice in the moment but as an organization you guys have to be really energetic and excited about where things had so energetic. it's it's i. Paid the best year is cow. Just be ball ball is we have. You're easing prospects in are just like this lake light out every chance i get to just watch a a watching ontario rain game because they're like there are still smarter so fast. They're very confident with their handling the move manning their hawk yet hughes up and i was like well. Now imagine if they put a few more pounds on imagine when they're like super confident in on the big station is great. The that's one of my favorite coaches to down there. John wroblewski who spent about a week with in sweden when he was coaching. The u eighteen teams. He's a fun guy. he's not afraid to let the talent shot. And that's what. I like about own looks. Awesome all right. Let me take a quick break here. I want to get into your backstory. A little bit when it come back is your wifi struggling to keep up with your streaming work gaming video calling in more. Yes by the way we real probably by house between school in my son playing video games in the basement. While i'm trying to do is call anyways when you're connected to your by wifi. Be sure it's the best. Bring your wifi up to speed with rb. Wifi six from net gear or be wifi. Six is the best and latest and why fight it covers your entire home with unmatched speeds and performance for uninterrupted working and learning video calling in streaming at home on more devices than ever before in any part of the house with wifi this advance. You're going to want it everywhere. Are you ready for the best wife i ever. Yes yes i Find out now. What makes years america's number one choice for wifi at neck year dot com slash best wifi. That's net gear dot com slash. Best wi fi. All right so you started skating playing as a seven-year-old which seems perfectly normal in young enough to start a sport but people in the hockey world wonder stand. You're probably about six years behind everybody else at that point. Did you feel like when you when you were out there. As a seven year old was was like and i'm sure you're thinking like that but like did you feel like you're playing catchup as you were jumping into the sport at that age flashback. I definitely felt just aquit in every sense of the word. When i saw the lower jack on the eyes of the only guy. They will so easy like. I could do that right now. You can't the need sue a lot. I actually was just talking to my aunt. Who only story about the first time. I got on the ice. She like just remember you falling down and getting up and he came on your new auntie. I'm like to do go my gosh. I said that that's so cute of gory. War today no autism grabby like your biggest career. But you know i was. I was asked a great until like my second year. A phone two years to learn how to stop unless i have those hockey camps in over her not stopping on her left side afraid But yeah it was definitely a learning kurban. It took me a while. What kept you at it just competitive your competitive side or like must have joined. The ice is like. I think that writing wasn't good song i stuck on the ice and i was like a young cd crosby. I us terrible. I knew know how holistic. I had like a sherwood hundred. What's what else do we know. My pants were headed gap between my shays reserves and mess. But i think and think something that i love to share with especially young diverse cases schemes. You know doesn't matter you down and you don't know how you but it's just so it's so much different than running or walking or doing anything else because you're you're just connected in different way on the ice and it was logical so i wanted to figure out how to make it work. Yeah in in kind of researching some of the as you're a girl playing on the voice team which presents its own challenges and you know you're you're you're also a black or playing in the voice team which is its own thing in in you said at one point in would interview. This was that at times. The parents were worse than the kids. Which is heartbreaking to me right like. Why do you think that was. That's why do you think parents were the hardest ones. Well i think the answer that question. And it is heartbreaking. Someone who's posted the of Idol certain mobile. i met or pat. They are actually breezy. Another humid- against the apple off from far from the tree which i guess experienced was praying because those kids the crazy me were the were related to the pants showings screaming as disrespectful things and lean heavily on my mom. You know my mom was someone who sat me down and she just told me that. This isn't something that you need to worry about. This is not an issue that is off you right. That is something that they're dealing with. And you and i. I listened in awfully okay. Well i'm just not gonna let that water because it not on me Yeah you said your mom. Hit really lead by example in her work ethic What was her biggest influence anew. Yes along walsworth catholic of milly mosey young girl. It was just her and i. She had me when she was twenty one so we have our own hardships and i saw her sacrifice in work multiple jobs and i just cook all of her sacrifice and wanted her to Know how seriously on taking that you know no. I wanted to give back to her in a way that i'm going to give us a full scholarship to college. I'm going to be educated on going to be the best that i could be just so mad. Your sacrifices are are valid. So i think we had that tandem ever since i was like three years old and i could understand and see how much she was working. Hard for me to get to where i am today. That's a pretty high level of self awareness as a child. United mean like i think my parents working hard in but i wasn't i didn't know i was like i'm a kid and i want to go do things and i was pretty self centered. I would say like. I don't know a lot of kids at a that would recognize the That their parents putting into it. I think long was. She was very hugh burglarized that she loved me. She wasn't someone who was going to let me talk to her any kind of way she. She was disciplinary but she was also loving in her own right but she she really was the person that set my mind like no high work harder to know how to how bad things happen to me or her and her off to it and change it in something that can ease positively or fuel for future. What would end the decision to to move. Let me ask it this Man you went to lake placid northward was okay. So so what went into that decision. And and that's a that's a big move for fourteen year old or recited. Oh my gosh college. I remember those playing voiced. He is the brother of a head. Coach of north wait was started Scour or recruiter or something like that. And he reached out to tom broadway broadway. Cruise the coaches north winds a. Hey you gotta look at this girl. she's inc from cleveland ohio. A few you were to get hurt to north with school. It would be for your program of like building up north with school at that time. A newer program not too. But they'll try to find kennedy What school was so when we have. Oh call a honestly did really job selling it. Because my parents were interested Financial aid was extremely important for my family at that time has as i told you before. My mom was doing a lot to get to that point and then also to add on A boarding school tuition for anybody. Who doesn't know it's not necessarily bad cheap so is about all those things that once we came to an agreement. I germ there. I saw school Tom broderick he actually was like. Hey listen mike you're gonna meet the only black person at his school and be hard but just know that i got your back and and if he needs anything i care for you and i think that given home security and knowing that i had someone that was gonna take care of me. Well she was gone. Where do you think you grew the most as a player in that stretch. I think i'd just be more independent. I had to be on my own law. Beverly time management with school and hockey and based priority was getting into university Wanted to go to eventually became off in college given whole scholarship. Because i knew okay moms for boarding school. I know of redoing college too so that was a that was a prayer and leaving it happen but i am on the prize. I was disciplined support. So i just a lot of independence grew up. You know so. What was boston college. I'm just they were so cool. I saw them play in. Lake placid a frozen four. When i was a freshman in that i remember but i was a freshman and boston. College played minnesota and they went into like two or three times and crazy off. They lost by like tell they were underdogs. Fought backing was crazy. Powerhouse at that time and and i looked at their history of the new national championship like being goes somewhere in when the first one for them And then. I met the head coach keith king at a development usa hockey camp in rochester new york time. And only she so. Cool the coaches cool. The school is through. The city's also. Like i just kind of like i would about the project. Yeah so. I think my favorite quote that i read from you was. This would be the time where you're you're you'd be working into the national team. Usa hockey she says if it was last year. It's ridiculous that you didn't play in the national team. What why were to go. Sideways her Yup the question. I was all the first on the first rate eighteen and she hasn't ate roles in canada in two thousand nine gold in who said germany and thought deals okay. This is good. Spa of getting brought back to all of these caves and in in college at bc was doing a great job. Like the -fensive key points leader. Was this of that if a right and I was told. I didn't know what year because what they do is hockey campuses. They bring other college coaches in During these usa hof yet she they evaluate you and i was crushing it. Just like my other peers. Were and that. Some point called me uncatchable. And i only knew that because my bc coach within the room while that was said and she me Susan rank like spraining. No because obviously that's not true coach you for years at this point and so negus a smear like that. I think are of you know you can imagine. It's it kind of turns people off if it's a smear from someone who's powerful enough to make that decision You know doesn't matter how skilled you are. It is what it is. I think when. I look back on that. I think it was just one of those. You don't really know you being discriminated guests until something like that. Like i a good person i i shake my head i ask questions. I giovani percent of the time. I had the skill set. So that's another reason why tasks so much into the metal aspect because broke me broke me so much and i was like what the heck is going on. So the this off and fee successful outside of them. Wouldn't that look like that trying to build yourself back up crying. Got a lot of frustration. Anger allows sentiment. Go through those things. I am to figure out a way to like. Oh bench i two game show and try to value and so when i was pamper hockey gradually it was like these little. Latins would come up to my god lake like. I know that there is a black player that was playing professional hockey. Like you're so amazing you know how. How can i get to where you are. And i felt a new says purpose new said Wanted to get back. And he says the law for the game. So that's the only thing that saved to really I love that I it's interesting to me because you said in the past like when you look up to an athlete It was it was. Maybe someone like serena williams right. Victor wasn't a blake bolton to look at like what does it mean to you when you you're you know. Now these girls are looking at blake golden That's that's a game changer. For sport like hockey that needs that war or false important. I mean you can't stress enough the importance of it because talk about noticing your difference when you're young and being in this space where you feel like you're a ball I remember going and being shipped off to know can't non -tario the chippewa as their power skating critics or this or that and i was just the only one all the time only last person literal times. It was so hard but or girls how someone like me to look up to that they could just be like well breaking do so the heck that matters i it it. It's terrible to me. When i hear a face like uncomfortable connected to you like everything you you read or you hear like you're the opposite of that like you know what i mean like someone. That's not that looks for every reason to improve in looks for every avenue to improve And you know. It's i've seen that it's that seems to be a phrase that's a two black players you know what i mean in over and over again in the hockey space and for for i don't even know for whatever reason the what's it gonna take to change that all take stations as for people to scotch their head and be like doesn't sound right does no line with in and really think about how we're going to act to move at because and this point there's no there's no when people ask me in on a like no. I'm turning thirty lake. I have family. I'm not looking to beat on a national ty- but i want to make sure that this doesn't happen to anybody else any good. We'll get the team. Usa's roster from the very first olympic team has not been a single person of color on the roster for over twenty years. And you can't say that there is no talent i mean. We've we've got people like sheila edwards or presenting was causing university. You've got let myself. Who played for boston college and thank gosh for sarah who is wrapping it for hockey canada. I mean they gosh an even individuals liangelo james who assuming was in the same position as me because she was undocumented. Orse she should a home percents national team or ethics right lack. What is that often on. Think we just have to take a step back and say. Hey wilson is because his players different. They look different than they act different. You know they may wear jordan's to practice might have a little bit of swagger that does not mean anything about their character and if you were a good coach you care to get to know your player before making any crazy statements off right when i talk to people. Usa there seems to be an attempt to get better in this area. i would say At at the grassroots level in and they talk about it isn't a topic of discussion. Has there ever been any if they reached out to yours or would you wanna work with like. I think that would be such an important action. Changes old then. He changes of power. say hockey this past year. Put me on the cover of our magazine which was historical awesome and representational as we just discussed Does that make up for not using hockey is is doing the best that they can at this moment. And i'm never want to knock down anybody that trying to i do think there's more to be done and just like just like we talked before right like using hockey. Nhl likes someone can always say we want more. We want more remote. So yeah i think i think for me will be would make me. Happy is to create a space for young kids to feel safe. All young kids of all backgrounds interested at uky parents coaches players. Any sort of stakeholder in youth spaces that really have hold a grasp on this kids impression ability and their self worth value. I mean that's the biggest thing for me because the these kids are gonna be. Our future is scheduled to be our leaders. And if we don't get them. Let's say a moral compass as if nothing else we've learned. We can't the parents right so so i. I always like to open up questions of people on twitter and listeners. In one of the questions i got in. I don't know the answer. This comes from a former podcast guests. Make who's doing great things in the space of women's hockey olympics. Yeah awesome and she wanted to know what your long term goals are in hockey. So let's start are sewing This question ally and If you know anything about it is that. I am very I met investing. And i don't i don't look crazy too far in the future because i think you know if you lose if you lose if you have too much of an expectation sometimes that can be obtained satiny but for me. I personally just wanna work up in the ranks of the los angeles kings May be in some sort of director raw In in the community space in the scouting space as well on the operational side. It would be so cool to get my first lake player. That's going to be a game changer. In our organization. mum. I hope to win. I don't know so many stanley cups. I can't count on my hands. I want to Continue to be voice in this sport and do kush Different different organizations like usa hockey or hassen national hockey league in their trajectory of diversity equity inclusion always whether that be consultant team consulting or maybe even a position down the road. But like i said there's nothing that's concrete set in stone I got this job by happenstance Becoming scout and a groping quesion specialist with the los angeles kings. So i'm just gonna be grateful for what i have and do heck of a good job at what. I'm doing right now. So nobody can say anything not deserving this position when when you say you manifest things would what does that mean I i'm a believer of just creating a great space around you and thinking positively Knowing that the future's going to be great no matter what you're going through whether you're going through a hard time like for me. When i was caught from usa hockey. I just had to work through that. Now look where. I am right. If i had just made that olympic team everything was gravy. I wouldn't be able to speak so genuinely invulnerable vulnerably with you guys about my experience and actually helped change the game In that way because clearly a lot more needs to be done so so i'm never I never regret anything that happens. I always like. I'm always like let's go bring on like i'm ready for it so i guess that's what i did okay. I love that. I wanted to was wondering. Correct me if i'm wrong make in this way. You're the first black woman to play pro hockey in. Didn't realize it till after the fact overs versus in the moment and i love the parallel Here he tells the same story like he didn't know he was being historic in the moment. Either what are your. And i know you and william close your both. I think you're both in san diego right hand. Yeah yeah what are those conversations like like you see you guys can relate to each other in just that you know in ways nobody else in the world kim yeah i let us just another thing late manifestation right. It's like number twenty. I was number twenty eight bulkin remorse. And now we're living in san diego. It's just a these. Things are not a coincidence So when i speak to willy. It's a mean you've spoken to him before he's just great human. He's just so rightly energetic and oh man she inspirational so when we get the chance to just talk when the cameras are on he tells me you know really what. He's feeling what he's been through. And i asked him all questions about the questions that we can connect on us growing up in being in that position obviously for him and his age in the time that he grew up a mean just mutual respect to him. Because i didn't get it not nearly half as what he got In in that. So yeah i just am so privileged here the bill give us that inspiration into talk. And i'm so pompous jerseys. Being retire this year with the bruins on. I think it's amazing. But by yeah i mean i just wish i could give him a big hug. Ticket graduate him. It's it's nice to feel as though he and i have that connection with blake. I know you've got a ton to do so thank you so much for doing this. This is awesome conversation. Thank you so much. The as we feel comfortable always so again awesome. Thanks but i want to thank blake. Bolden for joining the podcasts. She's great she is a riser in the world of hockey Happy to say when we did our forty under forty list last august blake was number one on the list. You can just tell. She's got a bright future as she learns the ropes in the front office if that's which he ultimately wants to end up doing That's great. And i'm happy to say we've already recorded a next week's episode of the full sixty. It was really fun in with sonny mehta who is The reruns the analytics. For the florida panthers. I should know his exact title. And we get into it wouldn't we. It's like director of intelligence or something. Great in sunny was awesome. So definitely if you're not subscribe to the athletic me you should be subscribed to atlantic but if you're not subscribe to the full sixty An apple a rivet is used in the podcast. Make sure you subscribe so automatically feeds into your podcast listening devices But sunny was really a really fascinating conversation. Especially if you're a giant like mean you like numbers and poker and We got an you know how poker in hockey relate to each other. It was great and you know the the other thing that happened. When i was talking to sunny me realize how quietly good the florida panthers have been this year It's it's interesting when you see a team go through a regime change You know. I don't know if new office how that can immediately impact on is performance but as we sit here record right now. The florida panthers are nine to To start the season playing you know when you look at kind of some of the underlying stats like they don't have a crazy peo- or you know they're they're expected. Goals is top five in the league. I wanna say like their florida. Panthers pretty good and it's you look at what. Gm bill zito did address. Some of the culture you know brings in a guy like corn quiz. Who's off to a good start To wanted that kind of player on the team that guy that guy. That's one guy that has a little bit of an edge to him. I think it's super important for the florida panthers to have success pretty quickly in the bill. Zito era In part because they have a young center not young anymore. Gosh i'm getting old alexander berkoff off. Who is gonna have to make a decision on his future. The sense i've gotten and i haven't checked in a while in any of this but a guy like barkov If he believes there's a legit chance of winning in florida Would probably be inclined to stay right as as they figure out what his next contract looks like. But if not this is a guy that that hasn't had a ton of playoff success Probably is under appreciated. Because i know that's kind of trope to save barca's underappreciated but like you look right now. Uber does got seventeen points in thirteen. Games barkov is over. Point game like these. They're all been really the kind of quiet. Signing of anthony declare is good in. While i'm sitting here talking about the success of the panthers. I also highlighted story. Eric stevens wrote for us on brett peterson the first black assistant. Gm in the nhl wh- historic moment for the league Again another brett. Peterson is another Rising rising star because he's been added a while but was top forty under forty again for us. He was in that list. A guy that got his start as an agent widely respected in that space beloved by people who know him go read stevens. The story that On the athletic. Do a google search for brett peterson and the athletic in you learn a lot about him and you know they seem to be building something. The right way in florida right now in you know early. You can't jump to any conclusions We've seen it before. I'm sure i've said it. Before with florida panthers so you wanna wait this out but It's there's some smart people. There are some early success. Joel quenneville of course he knows is a great. He's a hall of fame coach when the greatest of his era. So it's interesting to watch that. Come together in florida anyways. All right to wrap up again. I wanted to encourage you to definitely check out. Pierre lebrun and scott burnside's interview this weekend to men vantage with doug armstrong who is the gm of hockey canada's silver medal olympic winning team from next year. As we know the americans are gonna win gold there but doug armstrong always a good insightful interview. I love talking to gm's as they go through the roster process in an olympic evaluation year. Which it's going to be over the next year that that kind of stuff and of course ably gm of a stanley cup contending blues team as well so definitely check that out. Also you want to leave comments on the athletic app and this or any of our podcasts. We'd love to check those out in interact with you. There leave a rating on apple podcasts. That helps out review helps out. And that's it no more ass. Thank you for listening. Thanks again to blake. Join the podcasts. And have a great week

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Sam the Florida Man

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Sam the Florida Man

"Sam thanks very much for doing this. I hope it wasn't too painful other than the little delay at the beginning. All okay elliott as you record. This podcast is ten thirty three a. eastern on thursday morning new york rangers. David quinn his staff. Outside ben wa l. air stays. What is chris bury done this week. What is chris. Jewelry going to do the remainder of this offseason for the rangers. Well i think what chris jury going to do is. They're doing their research on candidates right. They have made it clear that they are looking for someone with experience. And you know some of these guys they know if you look at the list of potential options out there. There are some people there that you know you can look up down and say okay. The rangers no this guy. They know that guy. They know this guy. They don't know that guy and one of the people. I don't think they know very well that they're doing a lot of research on is galant and i do think that they are potentially interested in galant. But they're doing their research on them you know they know hartley chris. Jury certainly does he was i. H l head coach. They know tortorella. I don't think he's the favorite one of the reasons i think. Tortorella named kinda got out there. is because and we mentioned in our podcast is because the word is the james dolan really likes tortorella but i think jury is going to have a big say in this particular higher. Obviously you know they know about babcock they know about what gulag was not a guy that they didn't know as much about asking a lot of questions about him. I do think he's a legit contender. The thing about your that. i kind of wonder about. We all think brind'amour's going back to carolina but in the off chance it doesn't happen. I think the rangers would be very interested you know they can't say anything because it's tampering. I'm not getting any help from them on that. But i do think that that is a guy that they would love to have. If the opportunity came available right like didn't we have this conversation already perhaps more revolving around general managers then coaches but that only does apply here as well. How much does the new york rangers situation right now with. An owner who wants to be moved along quicker sort of mirror what we saw too long ago with the philadelphia flyers under ron hextall. That things weren't moving fast enough. You see more similarities or differences between these two scenarios. I think there's a real fairness to that. You know. I do think that's happening again in philadelphia this off season. You know you've got to sell tickets for next year right and the flyers had a disappointing season. It's going to affect your ability to sell tickets for next year. So i absolutely think that these kinds of things are a factor for sure are see you just wonder too how much speeding things up. Alternately ends up biting you in the butt you know whether it's short term or long term. I know that there's not one perfect formula. I know there's not one perfect model. I know there's not one perfect way to do it. A lot of it involves lock in having the right people in the right places being in the right division being in the right environment. I don't know we're we're you're at free. But i always get weirded out when i hear ownership say. This isn't happening fast enough. Let's move this forward instead of just letting things play themselves out. How do you feel about that. Generally i think the more patient approach is the right one. I think the last reactionary you are. We just had kirk muller on the podcast right. And what did he talk about. He talked about montreal. Ride you have to be able to ride the waves right. And i believe that you you're going to have days where you're the best. You're going to have days where you're the worst. And the key is not getting too caught up in that and building the momentum and believing in your process trust the process as the philadelphia. Seventy sixers once told us however i do think that maybe i'm just wrong about this but you can tell me if you think. I'm wrong about this but i think in general. Most people are more risk averse now because and we've talked about this allied. I think social media has changed. How criticism reaches us. How effective criticism can be it. Used to be when we were kids. It was a letter to the editor. May be an email to your boss but nobody else like. Maybe you knew it was there and laterally out or for a day or something like that. Now it's out there. It's constant everyone can see it. And i think it's creating in general a more risk averse -ociety and you know i could be totally wrong. This is me talking anecdotally. Don't have data to back this up. But i see people more and more afraid to make decisions than in general in all walks of life and more afraid to put themselves out there than ever. I don't disagree with that point at all. But what i do feel is right now. There's a clash happening between exactly what you're talking about. Which is people being less. Risk averse right now than ever before and that is clashing with the idea of how technology. It's we're gonna we're branch. How technology has raised our expectations about how quickly things can get changed like we grow up word. An era right now. We're tech solves a lot of things and solve things quickly so right now. It seems as if there is a collision between. I don't wanna take a lot of risks but we have an expectation that things can change quickly because we're so conditioned biotechnology that that's what happens in our day to day world so it's a weird spot that were existing in right now one of hesitation and one of sprint. Going on at the exact. Same time i think that's very fair. That just leads to anxiety and wringing your hands about everything. But i kind of feel like. That's where we're at. Maybe we're seeing. This played out in all different areas of our life most namely sports right now. I think that's very good like i. I don't have a problem with you. I think the other thing you have to think about jeff and i remember early in my career. Someone told me this and it's a good way to look at things. They said to me when you report about say hockey. What's your skin in the game. And i go okay. Well i love hockey or basketball or whatever sport is i mean i i want to do well at it because the better i do it reporting about it the better my career will be he goes. That's fair that's that's a very fair that is skin in the game because your career depends on it think about it like for people who own the teams perspective the people who actually have money in it. The success or failure of that team affects their bottom line and think about it from their point of view. Sometimes you know to think about it from their point of view all the time but that is extremely relevant. Now imagine you're somebody who owns nhl team and you're trying to sell tickets as we come out of the pandemic and i think you have to consider that or you have to run your budget as you come out of the pandemic like one of the things we've talked about before jeff is that we think after this year the players are going to the owners about a billion dollars. Okay so that an you know i understand. Everybody feels certain ways about that. That's fine. I'm just saying that that is a fact of the matter so i remember that lesson. I was told my career. So when i hear that there's pressure for teams to do better i think about. That's coming from the people who have the financial skin in the game. And i understand that coming out of this. Like i actually think the philadelphia flyers talking a good game like chuck fletcher and ella. Vino whether you agree with it or not or whether you believe it or not. I think it's the right play in the sense that they're saying this year was really screwed up. Some people couldn't train properly and some people couldn't handle the lack of normalcy. And i think everybody in the world understand that over the past year. And i think that one of the things you have to be most concerned about is. How do you judge people who struggled this year. Like one of the guys. I look at is seth jones. He had a really tough season. I think he's better than he played this season. And i've been told he really struggled with just the overall way that this year went in terms of you know you could be normal off the ice not to seize a party animal or anything like that. But you can't do the things that you normally do. And i think that's a really good point but i also think part affiliates. They wanna do the right things. They wanna process the right this year. The right way they believe. Carter heart's gonna come back. They think this year is unusual. But there's also the pressure of you gotta sell tickets because the people have skin in the game look at it like we're going to bring people back into the building. We lost a ton of money. We got to start making some of that back and people will say oh it's comcast it's a rounding area forget that that's not the way these people think you have to think about it like they do and jeff. I think that's all over the map this year. I really do. And you know what i also think. That fans are becoming less tolerant. Then ever where once upon a time. What was the old saying. We used to it back all the time and it was. It was true in sports. You can sell one of two things you can sell wins or you can sell hope. Hope right now is a really hard thing to sell and there is in sports. Perhaps and there's a lot of a lot of emotions that go into it. And i've always felt the most dangerous emotion for a fan to have is hope because that is in a lotta ways. The quickest way to surrender your money without reciprocity and think fans now more so than ever and maybe this goes back to the regional point about technology. Fueling idea that things can change fast. But i think right now. There is less tolerance for hope in the sports world right now. That could speak to. What's happening with the rangers right now. There's an understanding of the marketplace. Can't be sold. Hope right now especially now with everyone in tight budgets like a new york case. I think that's the owner. I think glenn say they're played a role. But i i think it's also the owner looking at it and saying this is too slow for me. I don't know if i would say that's the market or the rangers fans follow every ranger fan. I don't profess to have my total pulse on the whole thing but the general reaction i got was that i think they were shocked and they seem kind of happy with where things were going. Maybe not one hundred percent happy. But i think they were happy. Generally they believed they were going in the right direction. I don't think you can say that one's fan related. I think that one is ownership related. It's very clear that some of those losses the islanders really soured. Yeah that's fair james. Dolan on what was going on there. Okay yeah there's a lot there still with the new york rangers. we'll see how this one develops in the days weeks and months to come also little bit later on. You will hear from sam bennett of the florida panthers on this very podcast so welcome to it. Thirty one thoughts to podcast presented by. Gmc sierra eighteen. What is your mindset. Now after this year how do you feel about it and have things changed in your mind. You still want to be part of the solution. Would you like to move on elsewhere. How do you feel about it. Yeah i think that's a pretty pretty loaded question. I think there's a lot to it. I think you know for sure i would say. I've been a bit upset. Vote the way that things have been handled. Since i've been heard that'd be lying and say the things have moved smoothly since my injury. So yeah i think that there's been There's been a bit of a disconnect. I think from the organization of did myself and you know it's been tough at times but you know right now for me. I think the most important thing is just trying to get healthy and figure out a way to be available to play hockey next year. You know wherever that might be i mean. I think there's a lot of backlash. I think in the situation that i'm in right now. By main number one focus has been to try and figure out a way to one declared to play and to just try and get myself in as good condition. Be ready to have a good year. Next poboy Walk on the podcast. Thanks for joining us today jack. Eichel elliott friedman all season long. It seemed as if all you had to do for this podcast. Other hockey podcasts hockey radio shows television is just say the name jack eichel and you would elicit a response instantly Where is jack eichel ad trying to get you know. Get inside his head here And also the buffalo sabres minds as well. Starting with general manager kevin adams and right up to the owner terry and kim. Gula what's happening. Which on the buffalo sabres as best you can glean while. Kevin adams confirmed a lot of what had kind of been reported. So basically i go has a herniated disk and there was a period of time and kevin weekes clarified. It was twelve weeks and just so everyone knows that period ends may thirtieth and they decided that they wanted eichel to rest for twelve weeks just to see how the rest would have an effect on his neck and could they avoid surgery and everybody agreed to that. Now we're two and a half weeks away from that and apparently eichel still believes he needs surgery and what he's looking at is something called cervical disc replacement And i believe he's got a good medical team behind him. I can't imagine a guy with fifty million left on his contract wouldn't have the best of the best looking at him. I heard some names. I wasn't able to confirm them. I'm not gonna mention them but if they're the people i heard these are really legitimate highly respected medical people. The issue is cervical disc replacement. It's been in europe a lot longer than it's been in north america but there just isn't a large history of elite level athletes competing after having done right like glen. Wesley for example reached out on twitter and said he had a c six c seven procedure done in his vertebrae and he's still played for almost a decade more and i sent him a note and he said an was a spinal fusion. It wasn't what i was talking about here and it was nice to chat with glen. Wesleyan here family's doing really well but it's not the same thing now. This is starting to gain a bit more approval in north america. And that's why the sabers don't support it. They're like this hasn't happened in the nhl before and we don't want to be the first with a fifty million dollar player and to be honest. I don't know if that means they would approve. Like i don't want anyone to say oh the sabers would approve a one million dollar player like i don't know i'm just sitting there not eager to be the test case for this. And there's an enemy fighter. Chris wideman do you know who this is certainly do. Yeah last month. Yeah against your riot hall a couple of weeks ago. Bad one but it was not related. That was a leg so he had this surgery over a year ago and he fought three times since the surgery and he does it testimonial video where he really stands by it once. I finally got the surgery. And i woke up. That pain was immediately gone right away. I felt so much better and also had big surgery. I had some strength. That i lost In that two month period samachar feed and that come back pretty quickly and here. I am ready for a fight coming up and i feel great so it worked. I had twenty three surgeries. Well this was the twenty third And so i'm no stranger to surgeries and usually they don't scare me but getting a neck surgery kind of scared the crap but ended up becoming the it was easy surgery ever add in about two weeks after the surgery i felt almost one hundred percent and really other than like a day or two of having trouble swallowing no pain Strength was coming back really. Just a simple recovery. I've advice to anybody who's gonna decide to get a neck. Surgery would is to first make sure you find a doctor that is capable of doing a artificial district placement is very simple surgery. I'm not saying for the surgeon for the patient. It wasn't there's there was no pain and was super successful. There's another fighter month and he's doing cardio again now and he's told. Espn that his doctors say he'll be healthy in three months. So more and more people are starting to do this. But there just isn't the level and you know the good thing about writing this is. I'm starting to get more people coming to me. And i'm going to do some follow ups on it but i team believes in it and the reason that acl is frustrated is that let's just say three months. Is the recovery were. It may thirtieth. He's gonna want. I'm putting kind of words and this here. But i'm saying he probably wants to do a june first rate. He's just like an say. Okay if this is what it ends. I wanna go may thirty one days. I wanna go may thirty first and get the surgery done so i can be ready for training camp and i did ask kevin adams. Are you guys prepared to change your minds on this yesterday. And he just didn't want to go there so it's a tough one that the way the cba looks like jeff. It looks like sabres. Have the hammer here. It looks like that. So i don't know where this is going to end. But that's where we are. What does all of this mean for a potential deal as we're already at that point of the conversation with jack eichel i think reinhart's getting traded. I think it's possible wrist. Aligning gets treated the other guys. Who did buffalo a real favor dylan cousins. Did them a big favor by coming right out and sing. I want to be here. You know who. I was really impressed with zoom call was don granato. I don't know if he's going to end up being the head coach here you know. Obviously kadam said they're gonna open up the process but if you listen to him talk. I was unbelievably impressed for example. Like media's talking about how upset like those guys looked the three guys i mentioned and dogar notices these guys love to play the game of hockey when they walk in this locker room. I can assure you they are dramatically different than anything you see elsewhere. They feel they are in control of. Gimme the puck guy wanna skip. Do they're doing what they love to do. So dramatically different dramatically different. I i as a coach. I can tell you as a coach. I'm speaking. I have no concern. I'd bet i've had hundreds and hundreds of players At the professional level that been through way were challenging in perceived difficult situations. These guys wanna play hockey. I was sitting here. I said a one of life's challenges is turning a negative into a positive. You can't always do it. And it's not always easy. But i saw coach there who was flipping the script. I was unbelievably impressed with granados. zoom call. I really liked it. But the thing is like i been there. Six years. reinhart's been there. Six years has been there eight years guys just need to change. They need a change. And i think the sabers know that. I think they're going to try to make them all work. How many teams you think could make a deal for jack eichel. La can do it. Anaheim can do it. Colorado could do it. But i don't see it. Ottawa can do it. But i don't see it. Montreal can do it you know. Somebody told me and they don't they don't know if it's possible. The saint louis wanted to move some of their young pros and again. I don't know that they have any interest in it but someone did say like he could see a team like saint. Louis being able to put a package that could do it. Someone said to me winnipeg could do it. He just doesn't see any chance that winnipeg would want to do it. Number one on the list has to be the rangers. Boston's gonna want to try to do it. Columbus is gonna wanna try to do it. The rangers are the team that everyone's looking at the biggest question is will buffalo. Do everything in their power not to do it with them. The other thing too is chris juries agents when he played where peter. Fish peter donatelli. Those are the guys who wrap eichel so dry line there. It's just that you're going to be a comfort level there right sure but the thing is the other thing too. You're too is. We don't know is how are other teams gonna feel about this process this procedure that i go wants to do you know. Kevin adams talked about going forward with quote people that want to be here and people that want to be part of the solution. How different does buffalo look next season and hearing you talk about. Granada was second ago. By the way elliot. All i can hear his kevin adams in my head on that. Call saying people who want to be here. Because clearly he does obviously. How different is this team. Look next season. oh. I think it's going to look different. Is anybody going to be surprised. If i glen reinhard or not back and and i have to say that reinhardt gained a lot of fans this year. He he's finished with twenty five goals tenth in the league to the middle. Move to the middle at a time. Where you know. It didn't go very well like one of the things that really stood out to me elite season conversation i had just because the whole night was so memorable was michael hauser's parents and in one of the things that you know his his father and his mother and one of his brothers alex they all watch the game together. One of the things that they talked about was when that game was two nothing islanders and we all thought it was gonna end like fifty to one how the sabres played in front of hauser. Right the they took that game over from the islanders that first win that was not a fluke victory. That was not. That was a win that the sabres earned and to hear the prior to of the family and a the suns win and be how thankful they were that. The team rallied around their son. You know that matters to me in allows a year and reinhardt was a part of that and the line was a part of that and some of their younger guys. That will stay. We'll be a part where a part of that. I know wrist allied and takes a beating online. Yeah the guy cares a lot though like to me. That's always the bottom line. do you care. Are you competitive. I can work with that. Cheer for people. How many times have we said it. Here on this podcast. Geoff hold on before we Before we go on with the rest of the podcast yes number one. When i was figuring out that may had thirty one days in it. I was counting my knuckles. Like you know that. Old game january february march. So i got to the third knuckle and i realized yes may has thirty one days. I want everyone second thing is. We're gonna do a quick game quick game okay. No thinking aloud words association. Oh waiting for this for a long time okay. Great you're like that okay. Here's our quick game playoffs. K okay offs. Okay let me let me rattle them down for you. Because you're a degenerate gambler. We're gonna rally down for you on making you pick i okay. So carolina national carolina. I'm with you. Florida tampa tampa see. Here's the thing on that really quickly. I usually just cheer for the best story. And i think the best story in this situation is florida Winning to add adult log to this feud. I just can't go against tampa. I want florida for the story in stamkos back yet. That's it like my my heart says panthers my head says tampa okay with you pittsburgh. Islanders islanders really honest. It took me a long time to come around to the islanders. And this is the one year where it's finally going to sink. Be watch is just the place. Such a playoff style. Seems like they've been playing a playoff style like since the beginning of the season. Okay i'm gonna go pittsburgh. Washington boston boston. you know. i bet washington to win the cup before the season. I put money down on it. Because i got some really long odds. Yeah i just don't like the way they're going in. I don't. I don't like the way the season is ended for the washington capitals at okay colorado saint louis. Colorado i agree. I think that's going to be tighter series than we realize. Though vegas minnesota i hope it goes seven because as we talked about on this podcast before these have been the best games of the season or pretend these two teams get together. But i can't go against vegas take nights. I'm with you. Canada toronto montreal toronto. I'm with you. Edmonds in winnipeg this one. I fight worth a really really to say edmonton for the mcdavid. Draisaitl factor. I'm going oilers. I don't know man that is so i know behave. Just give me a name. That's a fight with. Because i can talk myself into both of them really easily. I'm going to others so just to be different. Winnipeg i don't like it because i didn't think any upsets anyway. I'm living with what i did. Okay a couple of things here. Is it still. The song remains the same. We have to spend too much time on it because it's been talked about so much. Is it still song. Remains the same in vancouver. I believe so. I don't think we get clarity on this until the end of the season. It's weird though. There's a real lack of information flow and it's very hard in that. Markets have a lack of information flow because right and plus. They're playing another week like it's it's crazy but yeah i think we get it after the season. Is there anything happening with the anaheim ducks. That's one of the things that i wonder about here at the end of the season. You know i've asked about this. Any announcements coming any announcements coming looked into it. I've heard nothing not getting much. I believe the plan for next year is young team around gets laugh and gibson and try to build it from there. We know what they've been asking for. I think they're in the eichel And i think they will look to do something big in the off season if they can the other thing they haven't done is they haven't come out into finley. Said there are no changes Until you get that you're still sitting there going okay. What's happening here exactly. Ottawa senators us. We looked at this year. And we said okay this is going to be a challenging one. This is going to be a lottery. Season two cetera. And oughta bad things happen with the ottawa senators most specifically around their start. Where we wondered about you know every position with the organization. What's happening with the coaches the gm on the hot seat. What's what's the story with. The ottawa senators. And you know. I'll tell you what if you take away their start there kind of right there with you know not with you. Know the the maple leafs in the oilers. But they're in that mix of teams that by the end are probably scrapping for a playoff spot. Which is probably better than most people had expected for the ottawa senators. How did you see their season. I thought it was a big success. You know i got to tell them. You know john davis's right west coast. Yes yeah great guy. So john davis said this year you would have met one hundred dollars on every auto a game. You ended up up thirteen hundred. He told me that this morning. Wow he said one hundred dollars in all fifty six six hundred seventy dollars. If you started betting it in february you would have been up thirteen hundred dollars. Wow that means i'm tanya man that starts starched him. Well all became. Once they started getting saves. You could see. The confidence of the team. And i said wednesday night when they won an overtime against toronto. It was fitting. The josh morris scored their last goal. This season yeah. We know why shibat could do. We had an inkling of what ca- chuck could do and we really saw the growth. I don't think anybody is surprised. I thought battiston took a huge step this year. Like that guy could be thirty goal score hands down and that's always been one of the areas of like the last few years what's going to happen on the right side. You've been there a lot of talk this year by using one of those two picks on a right winger i gotta grab a right winger. Gotta grab a right winger. That guy can play yup but to me the big breakthrough. This year was norris. You've got a first line center there or what you have is more than just a first line center. You have a first line. Yes like chuck norris and bathurst sin is our real good line and those guys are tight and those guys are young and breezy chuck. Norris go back to the development program and bathurst is fitted great on that right side. I don't know man like already. You've got one of your biggest hurdles taking care of it when you building. When you re building franchise. How difficult is it to put together an elite level. I lines probably one of the hardest things to do. They've got it and we haven't even mentioned some like him starts yet are really any other prospects. They're loaded and they're getting some of their business done like i think zubay is close to having an extension there. Grinding away on mezei. There's optimism they're gonna get. It done could chock comments. He's gonna leave it to his agent but he's seemed very confident they'll get it done. You know bathrooms now an interesting one because as you said. He's he's a score. And that's the thing that you get paid for in. This league is goals and points right. So you know you've got to get your business done but they're starting put it this way. If you're a sadder fan you cannot wait until next year. Well that's what i wanted to get to here before we do. I did want to mention. I was really happy to see. Connor brown have the season that he did. Oh yes that's something outside of the goal scoring streak just the production at twenty one a goal season a fifty six game campaign five shorthanded. I we always talk about cheering for players and good on conner brown man. That guy made the the the best of his situation. So if you're not a senators fan how much are you looking forward to going back to your old division next year you look at them right now. You think you're better than buffalo in detroit. Yup i bet you right now of your ottawa. You think you're better than montreal. Probably yes i agree with that. That's the line that's gonna fire this podcast into the sun this week by the way i know that's gonna be the headliner the pod and you're not wrong if you're a sense and that's legit how you believe yes totally now you know florida. We both think this is a really good team but so far it's a it's a one year thing so you're curious to see. Is this where they're going. They're staying power or is this a one year thing. Nobody knows panthers fans hope. That's another one going to the sun. There's some real hardcore panthers fans of this podcast and they're going to be angry at this disrespect. But then you've got tampa bay and you've got boston and you've got toronto who ottawa gave all sorts of trouble to this year. Yep those have been your big three the last three or four years right But if you're ottawa again do you get the goaltending. But you're thinking like next year we should be thinking we're going for the playoffs. We should be excited. They got one more year of high draft picks the they're gonna have a high pick this year in their mind and then after that. It's we're shooting for playoffs. But at least you want to be playing meaningful games in march and april next year Before we get to our guest. Samm bennett of the florida panthers. Speaking of the panthers I did read. It am a this week and one of my questions at didn't really know how to answer it. So i did not sort of danced around it and talked about something else was about you elliott. Oh god and it was. It was a question about working with you doing and someone said. Does elliot have any rituals or things that he does before every show and has said outside of not being on time. I don't know of any so. I'll ask you on behalf of our friends at red hockey. Do you have any game day rituals yourself. I have one. I'm not going to share is there. Is there a kiss me on the cheek before we go to that one i would share that one. I'm not aware of that okay. I'm not embarrassed of that. At all there is a five minute meditation involved about half hour before the show. I do a five minute. Where i just think and that is one thing i do. This is the most ridiculous thing but there is a certain way. I get dressed. I have a process to changing from by the way that white suit jacket that deb got us on wednesday night. That thing was beautiful gorgeous by. There is a certain way get dressed. There's a five minute meditation. And there is one thing that i that i won't share. Okay so there you go from red at hockey user from really run this week. Those are elliott's rituals. Hang on jeff just before we go to commercial. We have sam bennett. Coming up. Joining us from the florida panthers. Thank you to adlon from florida for setting this up for us. But i was thinking about the interview after we recorded it and you know first of all. He's a good interview. He's blunt he tells you what's on his mind and is a reporter. You really appreciate that. The second thing i was thinking after it was over was calgary. Had to make the deal. They had to get the best possible deal they could get from self because this is someone who as we reported and as you could tell from the interview he was ready for a change and the flames deal was a second rounder and pick who was a second round or a couple of years ago. It's a good return for bennett. And if your the flames and they felt they had to make the trade. I'm replaying this interview with bennett in my head right now. We're talking about this. He was ready to go. And you had no choice but to make the best deal you could. We step away on the other side. Florida panthers forward. Sam ben will be. Please be joined now. By sam bennett of the florida panthers and Listen sam thanks so much for stopping by We're going to do a lot here on you your story etc One thing i want to get out of the way early is you've been part of the battle of alberta and now for the first time in the playoffs we're going to see the battle of florida and we've already seen these two teams go at it a couple of different times where it's been. It's been pretty nasty. Is there any way you can compare the two sets of events. The battle of all burda and the battle of florida from your point of view. Yeah honestly you know. I didn't think that i would you know. Find a rivalry as big as the battle of berta but You know the battle of florida definitely is just as intense and You know already. We can just feel the hatred between the teams and how intense the games were you know at the end of the year. I think just going to be even more intensive playoffs. So i'm definitely looking forward to that. Okay let me let me ask an elliott question than before elliott jumps on it. Who do you already hate. The most over the exact question like i figured it had to be yanni. Gourde gotta be any gourd right. Oh i don't think there's one guy yet you know there's a couple of guys that Are a low annoying out there but I can't put my finger on one guy just yet. I just wanted to ask you about switching teams. And i know we'll get into a little bit more specific in calgary a couple of minutes but this is a year where a lot of things are different and it's a challenge to get traded in a normal season. But you went from one side of north america to another. You went from one way of living in north america right now to another canada and florida are very different. What was it like this year to adjust in be traded that far in this time it was weird. I mean i mean that was my first time getting traded. So i think any time you get. It's going to be a little weird at first especially this year with you. Go from all the lockdown and candidates. The florida being you know pretty much wide open. So the i'd been crazy different. I've been loving every second of florida. I mean i go down to the beach and lay by the beach and you. Can't they get so. Don't really get that option in calgary. It's definitely been a really likes change. In and i've been enjoying every minute of it. I have to say jeff until this interview. I didn't know calgary wasn't known for its beaches mountains though nice smell. Let me follow that up with this. One then sam. What did you think florida. And the panthers were like before you got there. And what are the panthers and florida like now that you are there. Yeah well. I mean this year especially i didn't Honestly the only haughey that. I was watching hockey in the north division We didn't really pay attention to any of other teams. So i honestly didn't know a lot about the panthers i had to when i got traded. I'd ask someone what took place area. And so i mean i didn't know that much and obviously i knew they were a good team and they had a great players but I really didn't know that much. And you know. I'm here. I really enjoyed playing for for co q. And with all these guys. It's a really great group that we ought here. There's a lot of fans this year. There's a lot of debate about the divisions because nobody's playing against each other so we only have like you the reference of what we see the most and i'm like you. I've watched the north more than everyone else. so all. These fans are looking at some of the offensive totals in the north this year in their criticism is the north. Doesn't play defense knowing that whatever answer you give is going to start an internet flame. War does is defense played in the north. Yeah i mean it is for sure. I mean if you look at my point tools in the north. They weren't anywhere near what they are. You know here in the in. So yeah i mean i. I can't say that one division is harder or there's more defensive one division. I think for the most part it's all Pretty somewhere in my opinion. You know one of the things sam that whenever we talked to someone who's played with the florida panthers or has just joined the florida. Panthers played there for a short amount of time. One of the things. They always come back with is. I had no idea. How freaking good alexander barkov was or alexander. Barkov is from your point of view. Your thoughts on alexander bark off. I think you arguably one of the best players if not bessler in just the way. He plays the game and does everything right. I was surprised at how good he actually was. 'cause like you said you know really notice it until you actually watch him every day and You know i've been playing Second line center right after was so easy place before me. And i just try to to watch him and do the little things that he does. And i think that's actually helped me a lot. You know early. On when i was gonna use the systems and everything air. I'm curious about that. Is there a particular quote unquote little thing that you noticed in particular that you picked up and it's something that you've gotten better at the one thing i noticed about him. He's incredibly strong. And i don't think i've seen someone. Take the puck off them yet. It's amazing how how strong is on dick and in the battles his little cut back and I think really if i'm copying anything. It's foreign that these own where he is where he's going and i think that's something that i take from him. I remember talking once with paul mcfarland. Who was your one of your coaches in kingston and was an assistant coach of the florida panthers and we were talking about bark off and he said you know one of the great joys is watching him after practice you know working on his shootout moves and what he's gonna do said he's got a million different things that he can do. Have you been privy to that yet. i have we. We usually do shoot at the end of practice. So i've gotten to witness the couple of pretty pretty cool Young moved he does and some pretty creative one so he's very very talented very gifted. Sam i want to ask you fifteen points and ten games there. It's the best points per game of your career. I don't want to lead you in any particular way shape or form. I wanna leave it open to you. Why has it worked so well for you in the start in florida. And why do you think ended just so badly. In calgary i mean i think that For the most part I if the opportunity. I've gone way more ice time that i've ever gotten in calgary i got but on the power play I play penalty. Kill now. I have a team leaves the me and you know. I think the coaching staff leaves me here. And you know that's nice as a player to feel that and To have a team rely on you. And i've just been fortunate enough to take advantage of it early. Obviously i know. It's it's a short sample size and i got a lot more proof still I think just that That believe in me is has really given me my confidence back. And obviously i always knew that producing this league and be effective. You know top six four it so to be able to actually go out there and do that. So it's it's been a lot of fun. I'm surprised because i like you're a high pick for them. And i know remember when you first came in and the playoffs and you came on the scene so well and i always thought that they believed in you. Did you feel differently. I mean i feel like they did early and then you know as my time went on. I kinda got put in in a different role than where. I probably would have liked to ban and i think that's just the way it goes every time younger guys and you guys are gonna come up and they're gonna get the opportunity early and the guys that have been there for a while you know they might push down and Forgotten a little bit. And i think that might happen to me A little bit. Was there one game one moment while no one road trip where you finally decide yourself. I need i need a change of scenery here. I'm better than this. I know i am. But i'm not going to be that player. Here in calgary. Yeah i mean. I think you know for a i always thought. I wonder if if i was on another team. When i got a bigger role figure opportunity but i mean you don't really as a player you don't really have control over that for for at least you're for seven years so even if i did want out or or something it wasn't really up to me so i really just tried to grind through and jeff everything i could to help the team and try and get a bigger role but you know i think after i played pretty well in the playoffs last year and got a bigger role where i thought i'm on the power play and then came back at the beginning of this year. Yeah well back to the last ice time. No special teams I mean i. I kinda i guess. It's all my role in minnesota again so That was a little frustrating for me at the beginning of the year this year. Do you keep in touch with any of your former flames teammates. Yes they do quite a few of them. Actually there's some great guys on that that cholera team. That i'm sure. I'll be friends with for a really long time salmon. Why you to To pick one of these sentences sense number one. Sam bennett is a center statement number. Two sam bennett is a winger pick. One pretty black and white. I would say jan benes is a centerman. It's interesting because The reason i bring that up remember having a conversation with someone from a team at the draft When you went. And i watched a ton in kingston and man you would go to the net so hard i remember as bringing this up with someone and said know man benko to the net so flipping hard like you wonder if injuries are going to be factor with this guy. Because he's you go in their heart like every single game sam and this guy stopped me and said you realize that there are thirty coaches in the nhl wish. They had that problem with all of their players rights. How have you if at all change your game since since you got to the nhl honestly with how playing now. It reminded me the most of sally played in junior and You know that's that's how. I feel that the confidence i feel like i'm playing the same type of role. So yeah i think in calgary all over the place i was playing left wing center right wing. Different position different roles almost every game. So i think You know now as as consistently playing sadder and on the on the second line here you know. Think i've gone back to how i used to play Racking junior have you talked to act glad much. yeah. I see him all the time. He's always in the room getting treatment all the time and have you reminded him how much better you were than him. When you guys played in the h. l. together. Now we have. We talked about that. I i think you would probably disagree with you on that one. No how's he doing. He's doing really well. Good you doing really. Well i think is is Recovery coming along really well so you know we're just hoping that it keeps progressing and You never know it. If we go deep you never know he may be able to make it back first of all. I would love to see that. That would be fascinating to see that. Secondly you know you've always had good playoff numbers if you look at your totals their nineteen points in thirty games including eleven goals. I remember once getting into an argument with a player. Who said you shouldn't treat playoff games any different. You should approach every game as if it's meaningful he would say you shouldn't cheat yourself in the regular season and i'm not saying you did that but obviously there's something about the play offs that makes you get to another level. What is that. how do you get there. How do you prepare yourself for that. I love big games. I love physical games. And i think that's easy to get up to those games but i mean also my opportunity in in the playoffs over those thirty games was a lot more than i was getting in the regular season. Though if that's like that's the only thing that i can really say why i wrote my numbers review gutter in the playoffs. But you know play. Hockey is a lot of fun. It's intense and It's physical and i think when i'm engaged physically in games and you know being aggressive. I think that's when i play my best so you know. I have a theory that you know. People say the officiating standards change in the playoffs. And that's possible. You would know better than me. You play but i also think the players changed during the playoffs. Like i think there he'll each team will get a few games during the regular season. Where the team just doesn't have it and they say okay. We don't have it tonight or the intensity is not always there tonight. The travels tougher the back to backs and things like that but the plan is a different animal. Nobody takes nights off the players change. The schedule gets better. I think it's the whole league. Changes once the puck drops in the playoffs. And everybody's focused and no one relaxes. Do you buy that theory. Yeah i would agree with that to some degree. I definitely think that you can get away with a little bit more. Every play is magnified. I think every mistake is more important. You know every shift is more important. And i think every player realized that Once you get you get into the game so definitely i would feel that The game changes that way. I've always wondered too and again go. You mentioned you play. We don't are you aware when you've made another player or another team quit in the playoffs. How aware are you as a player when they all right. This guy's done. He's licking the envelope. Now where we he's finished or this teams folding up here. Can you feel that on the ice. Yeah i I think you can. You can see it sometimes with with certain players if you know if there were there going back for pox earlier in the series and then later in the series. They're going back. I or they're looking around definitely as layers. You notice those little things so that part of it and that's the goal is to try and get them them to quit. I need this for the broadcast this weekend but how many times did be exit. Do that and your two thousand fifteen playoff series. I'm not sure about that. Was that was a long time ago. Was it more than once per game. Because i'm taking the over I'm not sure. I don't know i don't want her. You should because he'd throw all of us under the bus. You should know that. But i i respect your professionalism on this one now. He just you know saying he'd be firing us all onto their I wanna ask you about joel quenneville and listen. I don't have to tell you you're playing for a legend like you're playing for a hall of famer for my money. Maybe you can tell me different. No one has a better death stare than joel quenneville. I've never seen anything like it frightens me just watching on my television but even though you've only been there a short amount of time what have you learned from joel quenneville. I mean he's been great. He's very old school and his style. He really does a good job of you. Know just letting requires play. He gives us systems and everything. And is this little pointers here and there. But you know he he lets us play and he's given me a lot of freedom and i honestly i i you know. Enjoy playing for him as much as any coach i've ever had so it's been great. You sound like a guy who's going to tell his agent make this work. Yeah we'll We'll see in the off season for sure i. I've enjoyed every every second in florida. So you know i'll leave. The contract talks out of it but I've enjoyed it here for sure. This tampa series is As caught everyone's imagination. Good luck have a great time. Enjoy yourself this is going to be a fun. Thanks sam bennett of the florida panthers. What a wonderful time. We just had with him. Wish him all the best. Thanks sam for stopping by the podcast. Today and thanks to adeline beaten bach of the florida panthers for hooking that up thank you adeline taking us out and by the way in the playoffs. 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Changing Of The Guard

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Changing Of The Guard

"Carson wentz to the indianapolis colts what it means indeed what it means for carson. As he tries to rebuild his career and osaka over serena what it means for goats tabool g and lower cage g with this path go review to go into a davidian. See right now. We'll get to that the second carson wentz to the indianapolis colts four eight third round. Pick this year and a second round pick next year that picked next year is conditional so it could move up to a first round. But that's what we got. That's the deal is done well. Nothing's ever done the nfl until the new calendar year starts the nfl but once is a colt meaner time around the horn. You what just happened. Well what's happened is a quarterback who is arguably the worst starter in the nfl last year. Bottom five just compelled his employer to eat thirty four million dollars in dead cap and forced his way onto a better team. The winner of this trade is carson wentz. It's not the eagles is not the colts in it is whence. As far as the team goes the outcome really depends on that conditional pick you alluded to because if it does turn out to be a i. I think it's like lena carson wentz plays up seventy percent of the uproarious seventy five percent of the time then. It's not that bad for philly. All things considered the and a lot of bidders for wentz and of course he was terrible last year. They can begin to rebuild without him. As far as india goes. This is a bet on a return to form. We all know that frank reich was carson wentz's in two thousand seventeen or its coordinator when he was great. I don't think it's likely returns to that. Level but if they get twenty. Nineteen carson wentz. That's a contender with the roster deeper in that in a second tim keller who was trade. You heard time say whence one straight straight to. Timmy and i agree with that aspect of it. I'm going to go ahead and declare the colts the winner for one thing. They're not using first round. Pick on a quarterback. We've seen how badly that goes for teeth over the last decade so in their third round pick this year. They were playoff team. That's not even a top eighty pick. That's just something you're throwing out there. What do they get. That's the question. And as she said frank reich quarterbacks coach guy who really got through to wins three years ago he believes he can do it. We'll see the eagles get very little return to complete opposite of golf complete opposite of golf. The rams throw stuff in and they get mad stafford. The eagles are just saying we'll give jalen hurts to try. We're stuck with thirty three million in dead money. We're not really getting much in the way of picks we just want this guy out of town that's got to be a disastrous finish for the whole carson. I mean even brought up the eagles that was an enormous exile for college. Just taking in the stock of are the nfc east and we watch your show. Watch yourself you have no position to be making that argument. Every catholic will go to you now here. Who won the street. Turn you hear the sound behind me. Norman a soundproof studio in chicago. But i swear you can hear the fans in chicago celebrating that they swear to god. I saw sarah spain running down russia. He's excited just okay. But it's her especially excited today for eagles though look. They didn't get the bounty that they wanted. But i think that's their own undoing so much a regression is about his mental state and it really feels like they underestimated the impact. That drafting jalen hurts would have on carson wentz and that led to his decline so now the eagles get exactly what they wanted they gonna put trust in jalen hurts with the locker room wants. And that's what the fan base probably wants. As for the colts they now get a guy that had more turnovers last year than their entire team is that right. Didn't look too good staff there from catholic. Now mr justin in tinsley who wanted street. I just want to point out the fact that there have been twenty. Two first round quarterback selected between two thousand and nine and two thousand and sixteen and none of them are with their original teams including the top two picks golf and of course Now when i look at it like by the semantics indie one this trade. They get a young quarterback who was the typically terrible last year but with a huge chip on this show shoulder reunites with the guy who had them looking. Like an mvp. Yesteryear not okay. Do they replicate that. I know this is your third show. But we've now muted that for many many shows the idea carson wentz played ted good games at everyone is still living off that. Mvp first half had four years ago. I'm gonna go back to you. What are you hearing from. Football people with ways is this. A tweak of some kind or a full on rebuild real awakening is it mental physical. I think it's telling tony that apparently outside of india there weren't that many bidders for carson wentz's services. He made it very clear he wanted out. He was associated chicago. But we're hearing are adam. Schefter reported that chicago did not make an offer. And they're desperate for a quarterback. Is anyone you make a really good point about that. Mvp season because people keep pointing to and saying well right coached him and he was amazing. Yes but a lot of what he did. That year was unsustainable in particular on third. Doubt i think twenty nineteen is more realistic. However i also think it's highly plausible that even if carson wentz returns to that twenty nineteen form. He's not that much of an upgrade over. Philip rivers rivers finished eleventh adjusted net yards per last year that accounts for interceptions in sacks was thirty fifth and twenty nineteen wentz was sixteenth. Yes love a better situation in indianapolis. But i don't think the difference between him and what we saw last year is very large at all. Cowlishaw give you. The last word quarterback do wednesday have some success then really plummet but then get it back ever gotten it. Back is what i'm asking. I think you could get a back. Would you change to better people around you. The colts have a much better offensive line than the eagles. They have better receivers. They have jonathan taylor in the backfield now can handle that. Can we can he. You know he doesn't have to get all the way back to twenty thousand eighteen. He played well a couple of years. He played decently enough after the super bowl. He was just got off this past year. The horn will move on me over serena straight-set this is big. The story for serena is not getting through to twenty four again. The story for. Oh sokha is the ascension. Both deserve fulltime. We can start now with serena and how this played out in the match. Would this loss means for her. I you emily catholic revisit her twenty sixty s and as a pro which allowed her to experience the impact legacy and play against women like the asaka who grew up rooting for her. But to say serena is washed up or done is completely short-sighted. Since her maternity leave she has made four grand slam finals and everything. We've heard about her childbirth. It was a traumatic emotional and physical experience in this tournament. She was playing her highest level since she was moving. Well she wasn't injured. She just ran into a buzzsaw in this mattress. Naomi and put up. Twenty four unforced errors so no. I don't think she's done. I think she will use this as motivation not demoralizing. She's just got to figure out why she's making it so far in these tournaments and how she can just get over that last little bit of an edge to get number twenty four. I'll show you know. I don't think he's washed up all you don't go to semi finals when you're washed up but when she gave that wave in stopped even before the broadcaster said and i have no proof of this but i said sitting at home by myself. This is her last australian open. Okay i had it out there. And and i think she doesn't know that for sure but i think she thinks it probably is and maybe this is going to be kind of victory one victory lap and see if she can get one more grand slam this year. She gets very close but then she runs into mostly osaka. Who is simply better. And she can't do much about that. She lost a lot of energy when things got away from her. After that to lead in the first and simply do want to say this arena saying after the match. That if i say for a while i wouldn't tell anyone that sounds like a future drake lyric so i can't wait to hear that song at some point but that this may very well be her last australian open but i didn't get that impression up until she lost eight of the last nine games soccer last night were praising how dominant how quick look last night. I don't want to usher serena williams out. And i'll say this to tony serena williams can never be done what the williams sisters different tennis is. Immeasurable at the twenty twenty. Us open there. Were twelve black women playing in that tournament. That's ten percent of the field tennis change with and because them and not even golf with tiger. If we could start on the court last night how did this get away from serena. And what do you think tells going forward. It was all about naomi. Osaka twenty four unforced errors. But i think. I speak for everyone here. There were points where know sokha was serving. I felt like the ball was gonna come through my television and screen me in the face. She's unbelievable right. Now and serena williams is still a very good player. It would be very foolish of us to say a player who just made it to. The semis. has no chance of winning another major. She's just not as good as naomi osaka. That's the reality of where they are in their careers. And i don't think it's a binary washed up or the goat thing. I think it's just a it's a relative standing in this soccer is doing. I mean she hasn't lost in a year when she has made a major one that major every time so just getting there means w for osaka tim cowlishaw. What are we seeing here with. These twenty-three-year-old omi asaka. We're seeing women's tennis has needed for a long time. And we're seeing something that enabled this. Sounds wrong. because it sounds like diminishing serena. I'm not doing that at all. But she got to twenty three grand slams because there wasn't another young women's champion come who consistently played. Well you know how it might play well in this tournament. Kerber might in that but then they'd never repeat it and they never do it over and over. The sock is good every time out and she is the next great tennis and tinsley. I kept hearing this talk about the passing of the torch to naomi last night last night. Prove nothing to me. Naomi has had the torch four. Wow now she's the best player in the sport. She's twenty since tennis restarted last summer like she is this. We are in the naomi osaka air and everything she does on. The court is heightened by what she does off the court. Speaking on issues like police brutality gender-equality taking these cover photo shoots the she's creating a culture around her and we're we're in the naomi osaka experience. Hopefully last as long as serena does but enjoy wireless who enjoy kaplan. Yeah i think. She's one of the most likeable humble inauthentic athletes that we have in sports today. She said earlier in this tournament as long as serena's around she'll be the face of tennis and that's probably too because true because of the equity that rebuilt up but naomi has made huge strides just said becoming more comfortable talking about social justice issues becoming more marketable marketing yourself on the cover of. Gt with her boyfriend. That's very so this is just the beginning of a very very bright career for her and it's just awesome to watch twenty to twenty one nine thousand nine hundred sixty that was awesome to watch buyer sells coming up fourteen years. Three hundred and forty million dollars so you even know what you're doing at fourteen years from now any of you absorb fourteen minutes. We'll talk about do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com welcome back full round the horne coming to you from the heineken river deck at pier. Seventeen fourteen years three hundred forty million dollars. There's the three hundred or forty million part and there's the fourteen years part. Emily kaplan what the padres and fernando tatis. Junior just agree to you know in a year where teams like the cubs and the red sox are crying for. I think it's amazing that the twenty seventh media market is like. Don't worry baseball. We got this. We've been complaining for so long baseball's with stagnant and boring. Here's a team. Giving the reins who is dynamic and marketable. this is awesome been gala show. It's about two years earlier than these young great players usually get these deals. But i give credit to. Aj prowler who looks at his numbers. Which really are about one. Season's worthy bats. And he sees thirty nine homers three hundred average twenty seven steals and says we're keeping this for the life of his career times also Organization for not playing service time games which probably contributed to this deal getting done early. I love this man. It's great for baseball. It's great for the padres. We're talking about a guy. Hit the most home runs and any shortstop ever through one hundred fifty games. This is a win all around. it's fourteen years. I mean has any of the big deal in all sports ever really worked out just in tinsley by herself. These numbers fourteen years is a long time but when that contract is up the mets will still. Bobby o'neill one you know. I don't know if the face of baseball by years one. One of the many faces in baseball needs to get around this. They have really young talented talented players across the league. And if they ever want to regain that cultural cachet that the game one tad you market these guys. These are superstar. Everybody loves fourteen years commitment. Have you ever committed to anything for fourteen years. I this is a. Do you know what tom. Brady's made his career playing in football just on the field. It's not three hundred and forty million dollars. They've got it for one hundred fifty games. This is your baseball. Absolutely we'll move on by yourself to as we sit here today. Ben is a member of the pittsburgh steelers. That's a quote quote steelers. Gm kevin culver mean a buyer. Selby colbert report and that type of endorsement. I'm selling the endorsement because it reminds me a lot of another quote from rams. Gm less need. Jared goff is the rams quarterback today The only thing they might advantage. They don't have a lot of options in cap space but it is not a reinforcement sounded to me like texas's christel county on december. Twelve saying i want to reiterate tom urban coach. Okay and then. Two weeks later steve. Stark easy was their coach. Ben rothlisberger shouldn't be their quarterback. They need to move on. The same question applies to emily but also conduct becoming of the management of quarterback for the last decade and a half and won two super bowls. Does he get that type of endorsement from the gm. Buying the genuinely don't know what to do like you don't have guys on the roster you can turn to mason rudolph an it. You can't go in with dwayne haskins as your number one quarterback next year and then okay. Let's say that you stick with ben rothlisberger well your team's going to be severely diminished. Because you can't keep those seven other agents or too expensive in the division so great so it's like. Do we put a band aid on it this year. Or we eat the l. and the polo reset for this organization. I'm selling because kevin colbert statement is like when you ask me you ask somebody out there doing their significant other and they say we good. They're not doing good. The steelers have nineteen restricted. free agent. so this isn't their loan issue but this field this marriage way closer to divorce court than of our new understandable. But also nobody's getting a at this guy. Been there fifteen years. He's two thousand four winning quarterback and the type of saving enough. I mean he's not going to lie. That would be worse our long term future. We'll move out by yourself. Three hawks twenty one twenty two celtics one. Fourteen trae young had forty last night. But i wanted to talk about something. Trae young does on the core brad stevens after the game. He said he tried everything. Defense to contain young even result. But that he's hard to officiate and he called the tricks. That trae does to get the call the dick's and that top chips in play that we showed and the nets a couple of weeks ago said the same thing about playing young his stop and foul move by herself. Trees tricks justin. Is this bad basketball. I'm buying into. They take it off the shelves. I love trays. Response to steve nash. When he basically said. I learned the game from you. Brook look is boring. Slow down shore but but it gets under people stand. That's half the battle. Man reggie reggie miller. He kicked out his. He kicked out his leg when he was shooting three. Okay but this isn't even that right. You saw the place. We just show justin. I mean there's barely contact patch. Gibson is straight up in down. Those agree with those calls do you. That's the that's not drake. Okay with justin. Don't hate the player hate the game. He is following the rules the explore. He's exploiting them and what is doing by the way that takes us. This is tony because if it was easy everybody would do it today. Don't need recalling all these touch vows and you showed two plays in boston and there were more if there were eighteen thousand celtics fans of that game. There's no way the rafter giving him those. Those are calls and emily tablet. He's not getting every call. Because i was on this show this last week and we were talking about a topic where he didn't get a call at the end of the game against the look for kids and i'm all for it Teams visitation of the leave and we needed one villain in the early season. It was james harden and now we have a new villain ever love. Everybody agrees with kinsley. I got off. this is just. It's not good though. Not great watching. That's for sure. We're watching convict calico go at. It was happening today. I mean you've got to be proud. Twenty four thirty good for your scoring average. That's the end of meena and tim happily showdown everybody's got choked but this is a real story. Temp people retiring from baseball. You know the back story may spring training with the mets. Never made it at the minders. What is be store here though. How will you remember tibo cabin. Remember how excited max. Scherzer was to face him in spring training. How like the opportunity still struck him out on three pitches. But there's something to be said about reinventing yourself and taking risley your career and i think that's admirable to twenty three batting average in the minors one fifty one batting average in big league. Spring training is dope. You got to live out a dream but this is just the real live version of rudy. What trying to do the stat boy once and forever. It's that boy this wasn't about stats from me. Boy game emily cavin thirty seconds of as time. The pittsburgh penguins had a gm is opening the opt for two hires ryan. Burke and ron hextall further well-known hockey men who have experienced writing teams before but at some point. We have to ask ourselves. Are there only forty men qualified for these jobs. And what point are we gonna stop cycling through them. Talk to a lot of people in hockey about this. And it's our blind spot hockey diversity. Problem our old boys network. It's funny you were. Ceo higher does ronnie company twenty twenty one and grow it. You'd never do this as your hiring practices. That said it's ironic. That hockey slogan for so many years has been a game coming this year. Make it as a general manager in baseball. all right. You seconds here to talk to our friend. Justin tinsley who just adopted a dog yesterday and he spent his first day and first night with the dog. You've got to get back home to dipsy. i do i do. That's that's my little man. He's he's driving me crazy but i love. I love him and up. We got nipped. We gotta lenny kaplan. We have a dog in the house. Slot dogs in the neighborhood. Read about rigs through tomorrow.

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Hurricanes running out of steam

Hockey Today

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Hurricanes running out of steam

"The. Is that game misconduct podcast with Don league-record and welcome to the Wednesday dish of game is conduct. I am Don McGregor. Well, it looks like it's over in the east. It's happened before teams have come back from three nothing data's maverick. Justin Williams on two of the teams that have done it of the four National Hockey League history with the flyers in two thousand ten and of course with the Los Angeles Kings in two thousand fourteen but Carolina down three games to none. And you go back to going into the third period of game one when Carolina had the lead they got the penalty trouble. They couldn't figure it out lost that game completely outplayed in game two and they just couldn't find a way to get the, the gave up a couple of quick goals in the second period. Curtis mcelhinney was the goal tender. I don't think it really made that much of a difference I thought he played, okay. But the fact remains is he was completely outperformed by to harass Rask has been the underrated player in these playoffs. Right. We've talked so much about Bob Ross ski. Did in Columbus and the morale and mcelhinney combination Carolina. And of course, Robin Leonard was able to do in the first round with the islanders and Jones in San Jose. I mean, the list goes on and on with the performance Bennington in Saint Louis and not a lot of conversation about what to harass has been able to accomplish. He's been unbelievable. A nine forty four save percentage so far in the series didn't give up the greatest goal against the Han. But I thought the turning point for me in this game was a power play early right out of the box for Carolina, peppered rask's, which shots opportunity after opportunity, could not get that first goal. And how big would that first goal been the building would have been up for grabs gift Boston on their heels a little bit Carolina? Couldn't do it. They get the goal to make it a one to nothing which was huge for them. And then they get the go ahead goal. The insurance goal that they were looking for to make it to nothing. Brad Marchand hate him if you want, but he's still a great player makes it to nothing quickly to Hans go. Scores. His first as I said count counter soft goal by Rask. So maybe thought Carolina would still have some jump and it didn't happen and ended up losing the game. And I think inevitably a losing the series now just a question of when it's going to be done, Wagner blocks shot. We don't know if he's going to be back at all. When you talk after the game, Bruce, Cassidy didn't seem that Wagner had a really good prognosis. He wouldn't give any details, but I don't think be back for the rest of the series. We'll see what happens in the final. The other controversy was a goal tender interference. That took a goal away from Boston would have made it three one didn't matter. Anyway Boston won the game. But I thought it was the right call. I thought Debrosse could have gotten out of the way I think, depressed did of Beck. Mcelhinney is ability to see it. I thought the contact initiated wall mcelhinney was in the blue. I know a lot of people get upset about it. I understand. It's inconsistent. That's why we should not review judgment calls because it's always going to be in the eye of the beholder. But when I saw it live when I saw it on replay, I didn't have. Problem with it. But again Boston can't complain. Too much ended up holding on and winning the game to garage. I think has an excellent opportunity here to be the cons. My trophy winner of Boston goes on to win the Stanley Cup. He has been special member. He was on that team in in twenty two thousand nine that lost to Carolina although he didn't play. He was on the team in twenty eleven when they wanna Stanley Cup. But again that was Tim Thomas Stanley Cup not to harass Stanley Cup. So maybe this will be finally his do this will be his time. I think that the best team left to the playoffs and Boston may get the benefit if they can wrap this thing up tomorrow, sit weight rest, some of their older bodies some of their banged up bodies because you have an older player in Craig Chee chara, Marshon, Bergereon, you know, all those guys can get the rest while the sharks and blue are going to beat the themselves up, you know that there's gonna be a game five in San Jose with that series. Even at a game of peace. I think that things gonna go seven all this plays into the hands of the Boston Bruins being able to be the favorite to win the Stanley Cup. Game three tonight from Saint Louis blues get the big win against the sharks in game. Two sharks continue to have problems with game twos, in series in which they have a chance to go up two games to non and they were able to overcome in Vegas by winning coming back from three one down. They're able to get the win in round number two as well. Despite losing game two and now they're going to go up against the blues team that I think is the best of the teams that they have faced far in these playoffs blues been very, very good Tarasenko if he wakes up that could be trouble and the sharks Joe Thornton, Joe Thornton. I thought slowdown during the course of the game, I think the sharks is a whole slowed down during that third period. So does that work to the blues advantage? I think tonight's going to be great indication on whether the physicality of the blues in this series is wearing the sharks down. We talked about it earlier forty one hits in game one thirty five hits in game two. So they've really come with a physicality that I think has been a bit of an issue for the sharp. Because of their banged up situation because of how old they are. The blues were not hitting teams. They weren't a physical team in the first couple of rounds. They have been here and I thought it wore the sharks down in period three if the sharks looked tired and beat up in game three that I think it's gonna be over for San Jose. I really do because where are you going to get the rest? You know, where are you going to be able to find arrest? You're, you're going to be playing every other day here. So it's not like you're going to get that rogue two days off, where you can counteract your body's it's going to be every other day, and it's really starting to look like this series. It's going to be a long one. So even if the sharks survive it, what will they have left against the Boston Bruins in the final? So I don't know how you rest when you're playing every other day unless you want to try to scale back some of the minutes. But with these games being so important. And with goals becoming so hard to get at times in these in this series, you know, can you really afford to kind of dial it down and cut down Thornton's time or burns time or, or pa-? Val skis timer. Tours time you can't do it. You just gotta let them play and they. Gonna have to play their eighteen. Twenty minutes to the fence men are gonna have to play their twenty five twenty six minutes. So it really puts the sharks in a tough spot playing those fourteen games in the first two rounds. I think has really been a burden on this older team, the Veliki getting hurt you saw Mayer take a high stick at the end of game to this is really going to be tough for the San Jose Sharks here. So if they have spirit and it looks like they're okay for game three that I don't think it's much of a warrior, and obviously, if they win, you know, they'll be able to take back the home-ice advantage and be in great shape. But if they looked beat up and the blues win this game, it could really play into being a shorter series, then everybody thought, so I'm gonna keep my eye on this one should be a good one to see what the sharks have is we go deeper and deeper into these playoffs. All right. Let's hear from you at download Graca. Hashtag game is conduct Tim. Tim. Hale says we should not forget, the to harass is the fourteen Vezina winner. He is capable of playing this. Well, maybe even better are really don't see Saint Louis or San Jose throwing him off his game in. Seven-game series while you might be right. Certainly to grasp his hat is issues in the postseason in the past. But you're right. I mean, this is a quality goaltender that does not get talked about his name does not get thrown around the way Jonathan quicks name gets thrown out or Henrik lundqvist's name gets thrown out, or even Sergei Brodsky during the course of the regular season. And maybe that's because Boston's got a lot of great stars on their team but Rask if he can win that Stanley Cup. He's right up there with the illegal tenders in this league. And like I said, if this team wins the Stanley Cup and right now they're only five wins away from doing it there. First down the Cup since twenty eleven first Cup for two Rask is a starter. He's going to win the cons my trophy. I really think so mariota's. Hey, down the Bruins are in complete control of the series to harass plate out of his mind, again, if they win the Cup should he be considered as a candidate for the Conn Smyth. Also, how many goalies have won the contest might in the past great question off the top of my head. I'm trying to think of goaltenders than one of their been quite a few matter of fact, if you go back to two thousand and three. J s Uganda was a goaltender who won the cons might trophy and did not win the Stanley Cup. Same thing went with Ron Hextall back in one thousand nine hundred seven when Edmonton won the Cup. It was Hextall the one the cons might even though Philadelphia did not win. So it's happened quite a bit even for losing team. So I Rask would have the inside track certainly of San Jose wins the Logan ca tour who's got thirteen goals would have to be in serious consideration as well. But right now when you consider who the favourite is and Rask being part of why Boston is such a huge favourite. I think he would definitely win the cons Smythe trophy. Chris, I Don are we seeing one of the all-time great playoff goalie performances with Rask, one point nine six against average nine thirty nine save percentage and will should be remembered as such as they if they win the Cup again, legacies are really built around Stanley Cups. Right. He's Jonathan quick one of the great goal of role time. Or do we focus on him being great because he's one to Stanley Cup champion. Ships is it should it be about championships? I think Henrik Lundqvist is a great goal has not win one a Cup. I think to grasp is better than Tim Thomas. Tim, Thomas has the ring Rask. Does not have the ring as a starter. But I think Rask would end up being better than Tim Thomas. I if he's able to capture this championship, he's the forgotten player, he really is. You hear so much about Berge. Ron Marsh Aon posture knock this year because of the great year that he had especially on the power play. You see their young defenseman like Carlo and Mackel volt McEvoy, and of course, the great goes day, no chara who still doing it. That may be Rask is mentioned five or six on the depth chart of greatness of the Boston. Bruins that certainly will change if they win the Cup. Seems like everybody wants to talk about Rask Roberts says as of now you'd have to say that Rask is the leading candidate for the consummate when you absolutely I think he's definitely going to win it, if they win Christina brings this up we talked about it earlier Justin Williams has been two of the five teams. That have come back from three down. Well, there's only been two four that have come back to twenty ten flyers. In the two thousand fourteen kings. I don't know if he will be part of a third one but two on the feed is pretty great. And there, I was thinking about this. Just because you could do a documentary on this guy, you really could the fact that he's been on so many great teams. The fact that he's played on so many game sevens been big in game seven. You are absolutely right. Justin Williams is kind of a special guy, Calvin says is this series going seven or the blues going to blow the sharks out of the water, again, will the canes come back or the Bruins just waiting in the park for them. Yeah. The Bruins are gonna win this series and I really believed that the sharks blue series is going to go seven with Calvin. I know you're a big sharks fan, but I really wanna see what happens tonight if they look lethargic, if they look spent in the blues jump them. This could be a shorter series than I think, I still think the sharks have something left in the tank, no pun intended. But they're going to have to show it tonight. Because as this series wears on I can see the blues getting stronger, and stronger. And I can see the sharks getting weaker and weaker. But the one thing that is starting to become crystal clear to me is that the Bruins are really poised to win this thing. They're gonna they're gonna make short work of the hurricanes rest. You can make the case. They're better than the blues and the sharks anyway. And if the blues and sharks going to beat themselves up it really sets up for Boston winning. Yes. The Boston Bruins winning another championship just on believable. Okay. I've got a little bit of a short one today because we got a lot going on. But we're going to have a big game as conduct coming up tomorrow. We'll find out who's taking the lead in the Western Conference in preview if there's any shot for Carolina to make it a series out. East want to get in touch with me, the best way to do that is at download Graca hashtag game has conduct. We will talk to you again tomorrow. This was the Wednesday edition of game has conduct. Listen to that gain misconduct podcast looking for more dumb McGregor. Hear him on the Michael Kay show. 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460: Bellmedia Shuts Down 3 TSN Radio Stations; Brian Burke Leaves Sportsnet for New NHL Job

The Steve Warne Project - Sports

35:54 min | 7 months ago

460: Bellmedia Shuts Down 3 TSN Radio Stations; Brian Burke Leaves Sportsnet for New NHL Job

"Sure steve worn projects sports and whatever. Everybody welcome to our program. It's a podcast about sports. And whatever all the fun stuff you might talk. Vote with a fellas over a pint at the bar or at the ladies at the bar. We are your hosts. We are your friends. We come in peace. It stephen jimmy once again and Our website by the way. Steve w project dot com james. How're things Stevie goes over over a pint over the bar. y'all ladies over to you over to me we come to you and peace. I'm cold steve. Okay i'm cold minus forty two year in editing the furnace the furnace finally gave out. No furnace is fine. Is that thing sounds like garbage. No it's good. It's loud but it's good. I had a You know here's the. Here's the favored people in my life. Steve okay if you're ever gonna become my favorite person and you're one of my favorite people. One of my favorite people. Is you have a problem in your house. Furnace for example okay and my furnace went either last year the year before i. I don't know if i were working back then or not. In around there and right away of course you come on my furnaces at work downstairs the pilot lights not on call the gas as your furnace jens your furnace and you're gone well there's five okay coming up and i got a friend. I know lots of people you know. An arm's length away of someone who can fix my furnace for exempt. So you've got a guy. So i got a guy who comes in and looks at it and i'm going on though i don't even want to know. Just whatever you do down here and let me all be upstairs sucking my thumb in the fetal position in a corner and he comes up stairs and goes. You know what. I'm going to look after this for you. We can fix it all up for two hundred and fifty bucks beauty. It's a weekend of nfl betting with me exact problem. Yeah not five grand anyone who comes in and goes all look after that for you fantastic. That's my guy you're like a damsel in distress and somebody comes. Some white knight comes along to save. You don't worry about it. i'll take care of that. Oh my god oh my god that's music to my ears. You're not handy. No i'm not no i'm pretty. I'm not bad i'm not. I can't fix a furnace month but anyway those are my favorite people. Don't worry i'll take care of that for you. Guys a guy named neil shinya and he comes in and i actually met him in a trip to barbados. So i started using when i got back. And he's fantastic. He's really good. And the i give me some trouble about. I don't know what three weeks ago wasn't working shutting off. It wasn't firing up the way it should and Says well you last time as a filter. Oh yeah all's that deal yeah. I thought i thought i changed it. Recently i try and do it every three months or so. I guess i'd left about six months and the thing was just i eat with propane. Not the cleanest fuels and Man i one of those pleaded air filters pulled it out black as night and so i guess the furnace shut down to save itself From having to try and blow air through that nonsense out so anyway he came in and tuned it up and it's great now guys those guys like by the way stevie my vast knowledge of everything. I'm gonna give you a little tip about the furnace. Filters so i'd the guy insane. Thank god change the filters change filters so you can. You can spend forty bucks or something or or eighty bucks on one of these fancy filters yup and my furnace. Don't do that by the by the cheapest ones you can the three pack or the six pack of filters steve there about a dollar fifty a filter. Yup by those. That's all you need to go with just changing a little more often. You don't need you. Don't need the big triple mesh wire. Yeah you want to sort of fiber glassy thinner. They worry about an ounce. Yeah exactly women. They're not also good for airflow to there. You go and my other guys a guy rod so carl was my furnace. I'll jimmy. I'll take care of that for you. Oh you get over here. I got some for you. Okay get over Rod my other guy had the big flooding. My basement just painted it. And then i went downstairs was like much much much my carpet because the smell remember all that i went to repeal. The baseboards often the paint all off the wall. Like sheet really. It was literally full the base for it. It's just like i said this is kind of fun and the paint off. Eight chief steve for feet wide just came right off the. Drywall anyway. Writes it on. I'm into something here. And i got wires. Hanging out from an old electrical box that i had a jamaican plumber are jamaican electrician commander rewire stevie to new. A new electrical panel. That i put in okay so there was wires that have to come from the furnace stevie over the electrical panel virus from the kitchen. That are downstairs so my basement is finished. Okay the furnace rooms. Not but the but the the electrical panel is. It's on a wall that's in a finished Drywall okay steve. Ceiling okay not cheaper. And the guys. Outside smoking smoking reefers the jamaican electrician and then comes down to leave them there. For the afternoon. I go downstairs. Tv just got the wires coming from the electrical box not up in the ceiling that you would feed them just running below the ceiling come in and he drilled a big hole in the drywall and then those have to be tucked away then he took off took my my buddy wrought all look after that for you jimmy nice setup all look after that for young you know i really admire those guys like your buddy there or just anybody who has the capability the know how of being able to construct something any element of a house whether it's framing or drywall or masonry flooring whatever it is plumbing electrical these guys often get together with other trades and they've got their mortgage is paid off by the time they're thirty two back because they just they basically just call in favors y'all come to your house you do my host of the data by my one of my favorite jokes my dad or the guy got the bill from his plumber right and the guy looked at the bill would only good god know doctors. Don't make this much. And the plummer said. I know i used to be doctor. That's all right. let's get into. It certainly was a tough day in the sports media world. So you and. I are veterans of the sports radio game in canada we worked at. Tsn radio you for a decade close to two decades and tsn radio. Kind of went bonkers. Tsn had some big layoffs on the television side. Dan o'toole we talked about that in recent episode Friend rent wallace. Natasha status Stanishev ski butchered that anna bunch of others something like two or three hundred across the nation but today they killed off three not one not two but three. Tsn radio stations in their entirety. Basically shut them. Down actually flipped format to be more on correct and they're all bloomberg news as of today it was Tsn radio in vancouver. Which by the way. The one of the most listened to tsn radio Stations in the entire country. Then you tsn winnipeg and tsn hamilton. All gone so all bloomberg news. Pretty much everybody. At least on the air gun. Yikes yikes well. We're talking about one of the things we did talk about. You know radio it's gonna it's gonna change it's gonna change the. I've never known actually in an industry where the turnover in staff is is super high. You know i'm just remember reading something. Stephen steve saying you know. The average life of a morning show for example is three to five years. Only only so You know t- gore which is still going right with john. I don't know who else he doesn't with known. But but rotten slots there. Johnny rover rosenberg. Jr they retired the name t. gore when they When bell media. Let me go Couple years ago so okay there. We got the morning show or something. Now i guess. But but johnny i went there just. I don't know a few months ahead of you when it started in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand and Johnny still they're doing a morning show Is the program director. So that's that gives you a leg up on just being a host. Sure sure right. I forgot about that. Anyway that's a rarity. That's a rarity that that people stay that long lull green right was crazy amount of time right that these data for any mainly or cfo. Anc maitland. so it happens a lot. It happens a lot right. That the change. May i worked at k rock for your though the every six months or new morning. Show coming in going over here in edmonton. So they know what's going to happen but but when it does You know bell. Media's gotten getting killed in this right with the comments and starting with daniel to who who immediately took to twitter and rip them left and right and it's a little unfair stevie. It's a little unfair People are screaming that they're they're treating these people unfairly Because they're make so much money in their they're worth a ton and I really really a unfairly. A lot of you guys had a great run. I had a great running radio. You had a fantastic run in radio data to exceptional job in and confidence that they put in that guy went to fox and they took him and brought him back so they're running a business to stevie right they're running a business to and where everyone gets all up in arms to start to poke their nose into someone's structure of how they run their company and take them down. I get some of it. But it's it's reality. Steve in my mind and my i'm not sure what you think but You know that. Well i guess cookie crumbles man it. Sometimes it's frustrating because it feels to me like all these stations if they were locally owned and in a kind of run the same way you'd run A local bakery. Then i feel like they'd still be in business but these. These stations are getting wiped out because their massive money losers bleeding money in some cases but not certainly not all vancouver had massive ratings. And it just feels like it's not performance based it's more just the circumstances and the way bell handled things And a lot of people reacting just raging on social media the same way. Dan o'toole did basically talking about. Okay you just did this bell. Let's talk thing in the name of being caring company in the care for people and then this this massive layoffs thing and And some of the ways they handled like they clipped this. They basically pulled the plug Without telling some of the the staff there is. There's one guy in twitter. And i wish i had his name handy. But he's a credible source. he said. I just texted my buddy at tsn blank and said sorry to hear about the news and the guy tweeted texted back at them. What news right right. And one of the stations also. They made the announcement in the middle of the show. And then what went right into green day's good riddance time of your life. What's at the what does that again you know. Here's the other thing steve. There's no good way to get divorced. Okay i've never. I've never heard of a of a a popular way or an acceptable way for someone to get divorced right there. Some leave a note. Some just get up and leave some hire lawyers some model. i feel. it's just it's just no good all around okay ending a relationship like that. And there's no good way to fire people in radio big rating. Steve don't always equate to a whole wackadoo. They they do the increase advertising dollars and stuff like that but with with the options that are going on these days and other things that that people can grab onto as opposed to terrestrial radio and tv. it's just reality. stevie just reality doubt and it is brutal That's the reality of big business. It's always been this way When the money stream begins to change layoffs can happen in these big publicly traded companies. You've got to accept that when you take a job with a big publicly traded company. They're not gonna go to bat for when your number's called that that's it it's Like the story of the scorpion. And the frog scorpion. Ask could frog to carry them over the river and the frogs. You're going to sting me. And the scorpion says well if i did that would both sink and we both drown and the frog agrees midway across the river. Scorpion does indeed sting the frog and they're both doomed and as they're drowning the frogs wide. You do that in the scorpion. Says it's my nature and what we saw today the that's the nature of big companies. Which irradiating to me. Jim is that when they try to frame themselves as a caring company and caring about people I don't think people are buying that anymore Well they should they. Should you know if you live in. Canada and and mental health right has been exponentially. Be you know. Tripling doubling quadrupling. Its its awareness over the years. You know people are coming out and talking about. I think bell is done. Unbelievable job with unbelievable regardless of what what their take on it What one of their takes is we can create. We can create awareness here. We can great great a lot of people. You know becoming aware of mental health and mental illness. So i don't. I think it's one of the greatest things they've ever to be honest. Yeah but are they doing it because they care or they doing it. Because it's kajillions free advertising that people give them and it's building their brand like crazy which again points everything back to the bottom line up steep but that's been going on for years that people long glob onto charities hockey hometown hockey hero or whatever it is right where the giveaway where craft stevie craft gives away one hundred grand or two hundred and fifty grand to a town to support hockey in their local arena. Or whatever they're doing is everyone taking craft down is a massive layoff. We're five six hundred. People got fired. steve. That's life free. Enterprise capitalism just and. It's well within their right. I'm just saying if you wanna bring up the craft example if they have craft hometown hockey or whatever they wanna call it and a week later they have six hundred people suddenly. I'm going to say well that's not necessarily the carrying company. I thought it was well. They might though stevie change. You know things change General motors car plants of of closed people crazy. People go nuts but they're not in the they're not in the business of making less money their business you know so i could give you example after example after example where have tied their names to charitable organizations When people are ripping them and they the hire fire layoff. Don't lay off. Steve do all sorts of stuff but corporate involvement. Steve you wanna you want to survive as a charity you want. You wanna make some dough. You want to increase awareness on things than than need corporate money you need. Corporate people are backing up. You know so all right. Well you're someone who was let go by bell media so It's nice that You have a A some understanding on this. We'll take a timeout of the program. Some other sports media news. Brian burke is leaving the sports media after a couple years now at hockey night in canada. He's got a new gig in the nhl. We'll get to that. After these words. Everyone knows that to get the best price on home and auto insurance you have to shop around but who really wants to do that with access to all kinds of insurance markets. Not only can i get you the best price but also make sure that you get full value for your money. Call me jour-jour insurance ontario. Your modern boutique broker. Jim came forward is a full service commercial and fleet dealership. They supply companies in the ottawa area with work trucks of all shapes sizes and functionalities from small delivery. Vans to the big f seven fifties whether you're in towing landscaping deliveries. 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Gm there and hextall and resigned. I saw few people joking on social media with that duo. This probably not going to be any shortage of truculence in In that market because of course we all remember on hextall being the crazy goal get into fights and such and brian burke always wanted his teams to be in his word. Truculent good i. I'm surprised this guy's getting on and up in years i'm. I'm sure he's older than i am going to be sixty this year. I'm sure i'm sure he's much older than that. Is my guest but Sixty five okay. So big gig to take holy god. I thought when he did the media gig when he when he went to work for. Sportscenter is kind of a wind down deal. You know like like. Brian burke has worked many many years in hockey and probably tons of Well good for him but for him going to pittsburgh i. I might have grabbed florida or something like that brian. Why well the weatherman. All i see right. I mean team. I've you want you want. You know who bob would it. Be working in florida for for tampa or the panthers down there. But but you know you don't always have the choice so good for a good for him. I mean it was a case of something. Went wrong with Jim rutherford the gm Never really got a full story on. What exactly occurred there but That's a pretty good hockey team. They might be they might be starting to fade. I dunno it's pretty early in the season. Declare that but penguins off to a five five and one start which is out of the playoffs if it started today but You know you got sidney crosby. You've got and you've got. Chris tang wonder if you get a new new group in their wonder if they start thinking about the future and Dealing off potentially some of the superstars Because they're not getting younger crosby. What thirty three if guinea malcolm is thirty four and they still have lots left in the tank but not forever. I mean father times undefeated as they say. And if you look at things in a cold calculated way like say bell media. Does this would be the time to trade them while they're still good trade asset three years from now maybe not so much right right well as i understand it from the limited knowledge. I have from all my hockey buddies that brian burke is is one of the if not the best negotiator in the game. I've heard right so you know coming to player. Personnel deals That's what i've heard. Anyway that he's in it's funny that he came up to the in this breaking news because we talked about it yesterday we recorded the suspend ables. And we're talking about trades because there's a kid is a benefit in calgary bennett. Who's really not that. established yet As a hockey player with the bubble in the pandemic and everything in this kid's whistling in there looking for a change or something Became really sorta odd thing. Like who do you think you are doing this by bryan. Bryan burke apparently tells these guys you know the and russ pointed out yesterday. You know the the the player has changed. How you have to handle players. Is you gotta be way more sensitive to them now and and maybe that's speaking of awareness of things. Maybe that's the awareness that's been brought up a bullying hockey. Didn't do very well last year. Steve with with guys filing complaints against physically abusive coaches Right there was a string of guys who who got booted out So it's a little too. It's hanley's kids with kid. Gloves a little more rest pointed out that you could. You could say anything on the ice players back in the day you know nothing was off limits. The only thing he said that was off limits. Steve was was ripping on your kids. Okay you can go about their mother and their wives their girlfriend and then you know but now this happens with some of these these players and they want to get traded. Apparently brian burke walk into an office. Right now going i wanna get traded you know and they think that's gonna go really well for them you know that they're going to put their foot down and brian burke always said you know before the guy even opened his mouth when he walked into his office and he said if you're in here to for a trait okay you're done you're getting married okay. So we'll look after that for you we'll get you traded but you better be careful what you wish for and because brian burke is masterful negotiator right. And you're gonna probably end up somewhere way worse than you are here. I really thought yeah. I really thought he was kinda dig in his heels in and getting Like you said maybe to slide to the finish line with A job as an analyst and jump back in his I'm a little surprised. By to be honest. He was good at what he did but obviously he was doing that the way. So many coaches have in the past. And we've seen tsn hire one guy after another John tortorella paul maurice. So many coaches have gone in there as. Here's something to do to keep my face and name out there. While i wait for my next coaching job and it inevitably comes along and did From an executive standpoint for brian burke as well i wonder if penguin fans are gonna have something to say of course philadelphia and pittsburgh have rivalry in the nhl. And here's mr philadelphia. Flyer ron hextall coming in to run the pittsburgh penguins You know the younger audience. Younger fan base in pittsburgh will care that much. But if you're forty and over. And ron hextall takes over your team. You're kind of going I'm not sure. I'm happy with that Right right yeah. Oh well loyalties are thin stevie as we find out today. Yeah yeah that is true for sure as we go to break here james on a talk a little bit about the super bowl streaker. We didn't really see much of it on tv. And the fellas. Jim nance and Tony romo didn't talk about it very much but Kevin harland who had the radio call on westwood one. Well he was as we call him. The overly descriptive kevin harlan. So he didn't miss a chance to give you the full vivid description of what went down down twenty five three goals. Someone is run on the field. Some guy with a bra now. He's not being chased. He's running down the middle. The forty arms in the air and the victory salute his toned down. His pants pulled up the pants. My man those pants. He's being chased to the thirty. He take it from us. Twenty turn his the game in the tournament. The goal line. Pull up your pants. Take off the pond. Be a man. Kevin harlan with the call of the super bowl. Streaker on sunday funnies the description was i can guarantee one thing the kevin harlan a little bit hot water for that last comment To be a man. Take off the braun via man Anyway we'll take a time out of the program back with final thoughts after these words reignite your love for driving with a new ford from jim k. 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He was a coach starting with the new york giants back in seventy five when he was their linebackers coach and kept coaching right up until two thousand six with the san diego chargers. He was a head coach in kansas city. Washington san diego. But i remember most with cleveland browns head coach in the mid eighties for them when they got. Oh so close to a super bowl. Berth in the afc title game. They're about to beat denver. They're about to go in for the winning touchdown in the final minute of the game and earnest byner get stripped just as he's about to step into the end zone offload jeremiah casteel. Dist reached in grabbed the ball off byner denver recovers and they hold on for thirty eight to thirty three win. And that was. It's called the fumble. If you say that in cleveland people know the fumble ohio and The brown had no shortage in sports of disappointments. So that would be one of them. When you say the fumble people know exactly what you're talking about and really gives until the cavaliers finally when an nba title really lent itself to the lovable loser. Tag that cleveland. Sports fans have had for many years but marty schottenheimer Certainly had lots and lots of success. I think he was like fourth all time as far as coaching winds. Go so sad news to hear his passing today at the age of seventy seven. Yeah i like those old That's all i seventy seven got. I would have thought that guy be close to ninety man. No he got. He got the game young. I guess Unfortunately he was diagnosed with alzheimer's back in these spin. Seven or eight years now so that's That's a tough deal. Yep awfully tough anyway. Yeah i. I remember i remember him. I don't recall the you know. It's i lived up in sudbury stevie my youth and So you would have had. Cable steve long before i before i did. I don't 'cause. I was born in sixty one. And i don't remember i don't remember having cable in sudbury we seven seventy four when cable. Tv came we used to love going down to toronto my cousins because they had some cable that big box and you could snap those buttons but i remember those when we did when we got to ottawa. They'll get you know what they got a third station here. Cbc and see tv in the global big-time member member So that's like an schottenheimer's day That's how i got to start to watch. Nfl football and then and then. Of course you know the abc and nbc. And cbs cbs. Cbc used to carry the nfl games. I remember be watching the sunday afternoon. It'd be watching a cfl game which was always my first love. As far as football goes flick it over in his. Nfl stuff. Maybe like at this four downs and eighty was just my my love for and grew in an inevitably started watching it on an old black and white. Tv we had laying around. But i remember distinctly cbc having Having nfl games couldn't even picture that right now. We barely have hockey now. These days they sort of formed to sports net. Yeah anyway. That's where i remember starting to watch the. Nfl and carried all the dallas cowboy games all the time. America's team stevie. That's remember schottenheimer from those days. It reminds you that fumble stevie If you ask argonaut fans you know the the fumble there was leeann mcvay. Right that was. Joe seismic against the calgary stampede leon mcquaid slips and falls and coughs it up just step over the touchdown line and and we win the grey cup by fell in the backfield. He never got quite close to the to the end zone is one of those deals with the grounds not supposed to cause a fumble either but i guess if you fall on your own well. That doesn't count anyway. That's the fumble. That's the the fumble. I god bless marty schottenheimer. Yes i do. That's that's about when i start to Go go back. And look as far back as i can to start to remember tune. End the nfl right all right. Let us Close it out today. and i'll ask the question doing a chance to wind up. Do you have any final thoughts today. I stephen of course. Of course they do. I forgot i was going to do. S wpn thirty. I'll do that. I'll i'll do that tomorrow tomorrow. I'd have to remember what we talked about. Steve i watch your favorite stevie okay little. I want the poll question. Okay put on a poll question. You know you get a lot of people participating when you put up the poll question okay. Yes so what's It's minus thirty. Here's steve feeling like minus forty two. Okay that's cold. yep okay. how cold is it. Okay tackle i want. I want your best so-called story okay. I don't want the line. I'm not looking for the it's so called out You know my the could freeze the balls off a brass monkey or the brass balls of hot monkey. I don. I don't want you know what i mean steve. I don't want all that on the poll. Okay so my worst. My worst cold day story is Had my my famous pinto station wagons stevie were explained you'll before how i used to heat up the block because i bought a car window block eater and i put them for cats underneath right. That's why he's up. But it was that same car. Stevie that while i was getting at boosted it was minus a gillian stevie okay maybe a billion might even might even been a santillan trillion minded. Okay so-called stevie. And so. I had to get a boost it one time and i it. You know up the hood and then you know you put take snapple the hood rod stevie Snap that feed it into the whole okay. And i'm i'm pissed that i bought this stupid car. Freezing fricking cold. Got the thing boosted stevie and then and then just shut the hood you know but forgetting the really a rod that was supporting jimmy and it's not not just up on its springs like normal car would be right yeah so one foul swoop of that stevie and snap the hood off the would keep just keep flying flying off. Yeah that was my. That's how cold it was. Stevie ranks might might cold story. And then and then. I got so mad. I kicked the car but it was minus close close to fifty with the wind chill and i kicked him the grill on my car and it just disintegrated show cold. It just went cracks and the wheels were frozen. Stevie i was trying to get a push and guys are screaming at me. Take your foot off the brake. I said it is good car that i had there. Steve goodbye all right. So that's gonna be our poll question. What's the coldest you've ever been. We want to hear your stories. Our email address. Steve w project at outlook dot com. We shall call it a day in the meantime james. Have a good one. We'll talk to you next time. get night everybody. We'll see him.

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60 Year old Intern Ned Colletti, thriving with his gig in San Jose with the Sharks.

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60 Year old Intern Ned Colletti, thriving with his gig in San Jose with the Sharks.

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E longtime gm of the dodgers emmy award winning analyst He is a bestselling author. A professor speaker also feinstein scout isn't any till scout the san jose sharks. Ned colletti. how are you. I'm doing excellent great to be with you. It was funny. I was going and i read a read. I was looking at the reviews of your book. Because i think that's just where i'm you you wanna to people. Think you had a quote from. John xiulian i love. I'm just a fan of john. I don't know him at all. But it's about your book. The big chair in said we'll put this book in a category of its own is it's big thumping heart man do i like. I love stories with heart. I love people with heart and like that to me is the ultimate compliment of a book so off it was it was pretty cool and i was honored that the john was one of my idols. Growing up really. Somebody that i would. I really appreciated a love. This work a for deck that he would reveal like that was was incredible for me. That's awesome Art I wanna start with you. It's funny you know when you look at your bio all these incredible things you've done and then there's like this one by the way is is a san jose sharks scout But i'm sure to you. It's way more than footnote right like you seem like somebody who gets into something in. You don't seem to go halfway in you're hired in. I wanna say. September of two thousand nineteen in the kind of everything went sideways Is a in the world. How has that gone for like. How has that that kind of career pass first of all. It's it's an honor to me. Yeah work in hockey. And it's an honor for me to our professional sports and and really an honor to work in that organization for the people. I work with doug wilson senior and junior joe. Well i've known him for a long time and respected their word for a long time and probably side to side with baseball is my love for hockey and that they would give me the opportunity that they did arrive because that is actually like the start date. Okay that's when it was announced that i did it the year before i didn't i tried it. I said would you wanna do tonight other. Gm's from the nhl. Because i spent a lotta time in that league as far as watching listening talking a learning do a deep dive in that sport. You know many times. I've been about five or six world. Juniors and a lot of time with with the wilsons and brian burke tony granato dean lombardi. On and on john mcdonnell but the hawks he and i worked together in chicago from long time and so it was a day took a chance on me and i took it. I decided yet. And i'm gonna open up time for this because it is powerful to me to be able to be able to do it and it came to me and i said what would you want to do this. We'd love to do this. And i says yeah and then we said but you know. Let's we'll never let friendship get them away. We'll never know. You're not gonna take me if i can't help you. I'm refused to do this any other way. So let's try for year. Let's drive three year. Any compensation for a zillion nah a gave me certain teams to watch in this enhance dinner for year. Almost like gay in a sixty seven year old intern in the it proved to be a great thing. I've probably written thirty five hundred reports in two years. No kidding and a part of your question about the pandemic and in the world upside down. I had just gotten off a big east coast trip about up three or four weeks before everything collapsed. I was driving to san diego that day that everything closed down to watch our mater league team. Barracuda play and i got a call halfway down at they. Were gonna cancel everything. I just made a left turn and drove to arizona and stayed there for like nine months. You know on the part of the journey stuff i've done. It's been video. I'll watch a game two or three times and it was also. I've services that help out scouts so a watch the electric hockey. It's pretty this is coming to spend some time with craig conroy. Who's agm of the country flames. He was saying he actually has had to adjust or can make the mental note that he assesses things differently on video than he doesn't person like he said specifically skating A much different greater. When i'm watching on video versus person however you for someone who still just kind of breaking into that space. How have you managed to make that adjustment. While he's right and in inside an arena is such a different perspective. I think no matter no matter what. Or i watch in of for i watch evaluate athletes for decades of you. Miss the first step miss the for unless they happen to be in that. tv shot. you are missing. you're missing the thought process. The initial thought process. You're a missing the initial move backside a- quickness afoot. You're missing all of that unless it just happens to capture that for you so you know. I have to keep that in mind all the time that i'm missing a missing piece of here that i can't get off the television and you can't. You can't really see the bench. You can't really see how people look on their face. You can't really see if they're excited about something that they're not if they're if they're if they're getting review from really see that lesson happens to be some point consideration. Have you been able to do some live ewing's What are you not since last march. Yeah a couple of our campuses in scottsdale images from a distance away to people that you work with them brought shrink up no. I haven't. I haven't yet marina since last march one of the things i wilson seventy brought you in was he was excited for a fresh perspective a different perspective of the organization in. I mean. that's something you certainly would would bring. What would have you noticed about how maybe hockey in general teams are running. I know you're into it like you. You know you. You talk to these guys all the time before as you dove into it like how have you noticed how they run things in san jose. And what feedback are you giving duck. I do think. I bring a different perspective. didn't draft anybody in anybody. I don't have that type of skin in the game. And i really. I love people compete. Yes and i. I when i when i got the job with the dodgers shell john travolta all in general manager from bridge. I've known for years called graduate me. I said john. Give me a piece of wisdom now and he says always ask yourself. You trust the player. And it doesn't mean superstar superstar shirley. But it might be your fourth lines jenner. It may be your seven defenseman net that sits out half the time. Do you trust. Do trust the person and the player at the same time and and that really fits me. Well what hockey because it is such a swarthy the man's net of any championship team. The mansa and you know what i've missed out on is really a lot of interaction except by the telephone around zoom with the staff there. It's been a lot of time in the summer with the baracouda staff on zoom talking about leadership talking about evaluating players. I've spent time with players minor league players blocking bouts. Okay how do you make these jumps. How do you go from an ahl player. A brand new professional player to the nhl. How do you do that. And some of it is is identical to any other sport. I'm sure consistency of performance. That i love. You may have half a game in the ahl where you are like nhl ready. You could play on any line any time in any arena g to do that more than once in a while right. It has to be once in a while. You don't do that then. You know so I've missed out on some of the of the this was going to be a big education. You're forming which observing and being around a lot. But i think i think is as i think about santa jose i know the organization while from living up in san francisco for decade and following them during their early years. Not before i got there. But there were a young franchise and seeing how they do things and how they think that. I've talked to the doug senior for so many years about las ac- in different things late night conversations. About what do you do with this. What do you do with that and vice versa and demand. I am birkin. I used to. When he was in anaheim. We beat a five in the morning and have breakfast someplace because he was going through a tough time row But it seems like that that you get adjusted to interesting to watch. Listen but only do it from a distance label before i get sidetracked Penguins fans will be curious to get your perspective on brian. Burke enron xtop who you know. Well what are they getting in those two in that. Do while the not getting anybody. That's emotional inaccurate. Anything that's fired on. Not getting ready stands like they are two of the best boy expense alone time with both of them. I i live about ten minutes Ciganda show. I would go over there all the time and then i would go to games up in the press box in this Worker for san jose in accion and dean lombardi for a while an expert. I go sit with another gm. That i knew and vice. I saw going the elsa gundel. Monday and hennessy goes. I got something for your hands. Hands meet kings jersey with my name and a number of the back and he goes now. You got thirty or various. You're always talking to everybody. Must be gravely nuke. We'll ever win the stanley cup. You know you you know you have a buddy that's just want it has growth it up. But i i love talking to those guys in the spent a lotta time with erkki an and then then actually share talked on a handful of ties with us in philly and going through what he went through there and then when he got the job in pittsburgh also settlement congratulations. I think they'll do well. How much of your Interest in in getting to know. These guys is you're passionate about hockey or is it. I wanna get better as a leader is an executive doing when you were doing then. It's easily both. Yeah on the leadership. Part in the executive part i don't i don't mean this disrespect with any other profession. But unless you are sitting in that seat unless you are running franchise. The talent side of franchise other people really don't know whether you're whether the president of a club or whether they're a scout or whether player or coach or or your best friend. I mean nobody. Nobody understands it except for those that have done it and sit there. Because it's such a difference is one of the loneliest jobs in professional sport is to be the interim manage to be the leader of a group. Because you got every decision's gonna land on your desk as it should you know there's a lot of different things go on and so a lot of it was was almost crisis-management. How do you deal with crisis manage. We didn't talk a whole lot about. Hey this was great. You know you won the cup and hey it wasn't a whole lot of that. Although i was in anaheim the night at that anaheim wanted. I've been up maybe five or six times team. Skaters'll skated the cup around. But it was really like how do we. How do you do with this whether it's an ownership issue whether it's a player issue whether it's a medical issue with with a player or different things and those are actions are priceless because it teaches you learn things. I love about what. I've been blessed to be able to do. I learn something every day. Yeah i've been doing baseball. Forty years evansville. Happy three but i learned something every day from athletes by watching by listening. And how i grew up. If i had a watch. I had a listen. I had to pay attention to detail. Always every every day. And i still and so here till to watch something and then almost verbally here the x ray from somebody. It is exciting Buell's that absolutely fuel me every day when you say other people don't know what managers going through. What is something What do you think is the biggest misconception or people think people don't realize for the person that you're well i think i think there's so many different factors to that. I think timing. That's a big role. You know you get to a trading deadline or a free agent you get trade for a player is a free agent is told you they don't have interest in playing for you. So you're going to trade for somebody and then two months later that player signed with your your biggest rival and then van based vulcan. How could they let that happen. While it's time to hand over waiting on somebody who told you they had no interest and a lotta times. They don't understand. You know the financial aspect of it the financial picture now everything especially in this day and age now because so many owners of sports teams. We have no idea what they have gone through a financial on for the last thirteen march in one thing can affect the other. So i think you know some of those things and sometimes when you trade of a so-called fan favorite day. Don't know that that the person is constantly injured or constantly hurt or as maybe lost a little bit of the edge. Or maybe isn't as hungry as you need them to be and things like that. I mean it's a very it's it's a business that it can be very generalized. That he watch thirty thousand feet or you can just dive into it. Every day teaches us something about somebody and a lot of times. Those who pay attention as spanish as executive some other areas or whatever. They don't know they don't know everything it's like you know. They don't know what went into making the stu you know either like to stew or they don't but they have no idea what you do to get a care no need the no i guess but that's okay it it doesn't matter I wanted to circle back thing. He said about trust in in the conversations with How does a player in the trust of his. gm does that bond formed. You never doubt the after And not everybody can give one hundred percents every day right but give me one hundred percent of what you got is if people you know there's all sorts of different things going on in life in injuries and things like that where you're not going to be able to get a what you expected. Maybe a talent of every day just doesn't happen for any bus but the issue would get one hundred percent of what they have to give and that you never doubt the effort in. I have a long list of players. I felt that way about a long list of players at in a guy. I'm sorry to say you know what. I doubted the f. guys that i paid. I paid well and long-term and think 'cause you get net situation and they have to do that time time there's only so many great athletes in any sport and In sometimes you do that. And you suddenly see pilot lights flicker a little bit in on to become a different thing. But that's one of them. I think one of the hardest things to balances is the guy that you know is a effort guy but maybe his ceiling is that on the third line right versus the guy that's only gonna give you eighty percent but you know he has towns that the other guy will never be able to do. How do you i i. I think that's one of the hardest thing fans realize in you know especially in the world of analytics and everything i. It's a really hard thing to strike. Where do you find that balance. While it's it's a great point that it is part of the juggle. Let you go through for the team together. Something i always think about. And i think that Communication shoes and a player that has really gifted but as eighty percent of of what you expect to have conversation. And you have to explain it in this is. This is what our expectation is. You know if you really can't give us any more than eighty percents you've been gifted beyond words. Let me know. Maybe i'll find a spot for. That's what you really want to do right now. But you also can. It depends. Also how you build your. Because at that bursts player you mention you know the third line center. That gives you everything. They've got every day every. Check every minute in the leadership comes from all different places in your locker room. It's not just one or two people everybody's got a chance at having a piece of leadership and so sometimes you know that type of player that they're lined blair. That knows all in all the time. Sometimes i think. Here's here's always i think have a better to have changed occur than superiors declared whatever you know that you only have so many opportunities to have those types of conversation for you have to make a decision. Inner out in But i always. I wasn't perfect. That you never going be urban bit. But i i really need a players that cared about running inlet unless people negga a really a poor financial decision at some point. You're talking about a collection of millionare's across every team right and most people i think worry about. When you're growing up okay. Have enough money to have a nice house family. Put my kids in school all these different things and no my health is good and things like that so be taken away one of those. Maybe both because you've got some of the best medical care world student protest because of professional sport. So you've taken away some of the would call the hunger things that you have is as a young person trying to aspire for a great career so you taken away some of those despite the nature of the business so to me players really really wanted to win were guys in. I needed to have. I needed to have it when i would go when i would look at at number one for tension number one draft picks in baseball and send them down and we're always picking. Luckily we were always picking late in the first round team. I inherited we picked seventh. I you got kershaw with a pretty thick. It's not bad that's pretty then as you talk to. I would say so. You know what dr midsummer eighteen years old summer. Twenty one years old college junior. Some are high school senior somewhere. In between what. Dr what what really drives innovation here win a world series in the first couple minutes kinda has A kind of hesitant. If i heard you know. I want to become a millionaire. I loved the lifestyle. Wanna buy my parents. A house to carmel is things are fine at screw you know what. Tell me that you want to win. A world series. Here tell me that you want at you. Want to be known for being one of the best players in the game and a win. Tell me that isn't what you might be the eight instead of ten right. I'll take yeah Any game in any game is gonna come a period of time in the season in the game review of somebody. That doesn't pay attention to detail they're going to get. John is going to have the game just finals. And so you need. You need those people. That are focused in us. All sport with rare exception is a one on one battle in a moment right to hitter or one defensemen back or or just bullying golden score. You know it's always a one. What are you going to do it at one on. What fan attention geared for it. You'll get beat. Yeah i wanna. I love talking about psychology of athletes. And i know that you do too so we're gonna get into that. Let me take a quick break here. 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How do you make sure you're rewarding players but you're not blowing out the pilot late in the process. We have to know who they are. Yeah yup and i. I made my mistakes might tenure because sometimes you have no choice in the worst time to negotiating when you don't have on have another really strong option but i think knowing your players it's cheap and knowing what drives them and knowing that okay you know you. You've made a lot of money and you can live wherever you want and do whatever you feel like doing is important to you to win a world series. Who won the cup you to to win a championship is a word is half rank and i think that the especially the game a hockey. Because it's not for the meek. It's not for somebody that that is going to go through the motions. We can't do it but you have to pay attention to it and you have to know that. I've done deals of the password if you went to a house in your in union place to live and so you bought this house and you knew it was going to be a money. Pit not be disappointing. You know. I'm hoping i'm gonna get fifty cents on the dollar with this guy. Yeah and that happened. And it's happened to me in a handful of times like new going in. This is gonna know. This is going to be rugged. But i don't have a choice and i've also been surprised by by players on both sides of the psychology of the athlete is such a mazing studied to me. I spent probably see. I became an assistant him. When that was like twenty five years ago. I guess twenty six years ago and then a gm sixteen years ago and at least for that period of time of not longer. I spent more of my day thinking about this piece of that anyone else. How do you how you keep people hungry. How do you keep driving because this point hockey. She's guys are getting tired as get mentally tax that she would this dense schedule. I mean you need a special special person inside that that the same thing in baseball you play on sixty two days in one hundred native Unsecured do games are any three days and then you play another monk. It's again it's. It's something that. I think about daily even even watching it on tv scout. Like i can kind of tell what players are anima. Players are out of players are gonna go through it but players. You would trust with everything. Yeah how how. Many how much. Similarities between hockey Mentally hockey player elite hockey player in the league baseball player. That's a great question. There's different skill sets for shouting in the scouting and athlete through me. Start at the you work your way up in a Hundred feet were were hakkinen. Decision making is so ultra-quick. In so old years and years ago i was working for the cubs and at spring training and mesa arizona in the edmonton oilers. Stop by two straight years. They had like a sunday game on a east coast and then they weren't playing Until saturday the head this five or six day stretch. It came down for warm weather. You know skated in stayed ready. But in dom warm weather in a new game opera batting practice in course was huge baseball fan baseball player and he was taken up like talking to some of this teammates and they talked about the vision in this man and his ability to break things down. I think no matter. I think the similarity of great athlete is what we watch a game. We watch like a movie almost like frame by frame really quick Which i think they see it frame by frame. I think i think guys like wayne as like michael jordan basketball Albeit on named the type of you know they get ethnic. Barry bonds was around for a long time. They have photographic numbers they have the ability to see things in slow motion and play at real street in the seat. Things don't see in the have ability to take a picture and the vision and the anticipation that most people don't have and when you see an athlete in no it you know they think if you could have a team that you get at the canada cup teams in. Oh back in the day or you could have the olympic team are you can have major league all star two inch and you have nothing but balance but you can still see a difference between a very good in the elite It's really. I think how they see the game and how they execute law at work ethic and things like that but really all they see going back to the the oilers coming in the spring training telling me this guy see stuff. Nobody sees iran. It's like i mean obviously had a career that jodi that he saw stuff. Nobody saw like berry very headache. Such a tremendous memory. I'm not sure he knew the name of every pitcher rebbe's right but he knew the release point and he knew where the ball with commodity and he knew that and and he knew how they were most likely to pitch him. I would see some incredible things that he would do. I would see him in april. Look foolish on a pitch. Maybe a big curveball. Maybe way out in front of a change up or something look really foolish and later. On maybe a nationally western. We'd be flying later on to get the september. You've got a key game. Kia bet you've got same matchup and a pitcher throws in the same pitch and he hits mccovey cove And after the game. I'd say hey be that guy through the same back in helicopter silly and is it a i mean. That's yeah that's different not. Everybody does not everybody sees it like that and as a memory like that the greatest ones. I've been around. They all have to have them at a forum. In conversation and a roundtable would be fastened. Guys like maddux who was around a long time and berry manny ramirez. Kind of you know different kind of character but in no i'll tell you what sharp can be understood. Nomar garciaparra do tv work with not. We were just talking about this yesterday in a lot of hockey guys. You just see this. This approach to their profession. that is a cut above. Everybody is probably how they see it. You can slow it down and execute. What they see in split sec right sidney. Crosby was like that. He's what when you talk to him about. Plays in goals in he. The recall is you know is unbelievable happened twenty years interesting that you bring him up a two two quick stories relationship with tony granato when the penguins would come to our morning skate of their practice in chicago at handed on i got two notes that a little bit in alway an old nine. The dodgers have played the phillies in the oath years and we got beat oath us trying to get to the world series. I think that the same period of time. Detroit had beaten pittsburgh in the finals and that pittsburgh the next year detroit coming up to the oh nine season i think it somewhere in that timeframe in so i said i said tell me. What change were you lost to team in the finals and you won. You beat that team the next year and he said something along the lines of you know won't be i played we were. We were so respectful of their talent. And then we brought other players in veterans in the next year. Who told us. that's fine. Have respect for your child to understand that you can play with these guys. You can beat. We carried it all all the way through. Billy garin may be joined at a team or something like that but that type of thing and then the other piece said you're exactly right about how he thinks when i watch him play. I the pittsburgh's one of my team. I've seen pipe probably thirty five times two years. It's rare i don't see something for the first time I will use his feet however uses his mind how he is his a study known south of one of the all time greats. Because of how does. I've seen you his feet like his palay greatest players of all time just in direction or or what he's gonna do and how he's to do it in a fascinating to think he here. He is all these years later. And you can watch a team from last night in. He's doing something you've never saw before. He'll teach us something about the game every day to page. I love that. I love that of right. You cricket fan you got you got your start hockey. I would say is if beat writer right in philly. That's correct. I was smart enough to know in high school early college. I was not going to be a professional athlete. So i've got to green journalism natural smart but i wasn't going to follow my pass billion athlete and getting paid for and so i. I wrote hockey. And i covered before that i covered the big ten basketball football. And bobby knight was a coach woody hayes and sham back in those guys and then i went to philly and i covered the flyers for a couple of years and It was one of the cools experiences of all time. Clark was there. And i can remember. We went to training camp in portland maine and i just got in a little hotel. You're staying at the hotel elevator in florida on Elevator door opens up. Bob clark and he puts a san diego. Shyam bobby clarke. You must be the new guy. Net cody says. Yeah and it goes nice nature alone enough but it was cool. I saw. I was there for two years and i still have friends for life that this was like in nineteen eighty eighty two. My dad got sick in a newspaper closed at a at a scramble to get back again. The visual do you think being on that side of the equation did that you dealt with the media when you're now in the front office no doubt Quick a resume type of story. I my family to go to college garage. That was five years old. A great parents Struggled to make ends meet factory worker. My dad worked in the home. Mom cook organizer boss dead. Got sick when i in it. Where develop lung cancer at the age of forty nine and my mom never driven a car and as at my career take off in that direction myself. I have a younger brother who was still at school. So i had come back to figure out a way back to philadelphia journal closed right before christmas in nineteen eighty one and i was fortunate that somewhere worked with in philly Hire me a pr role. I took dallas. Green was my first boss. Not block rock was the person who covered the flyers before me and he was hired as a pr director so he knew i was going through a tough time instead we have to share one. Npr one publications. We have fifty people in each one. Giant gets this jobs. We're gonna pay thirteen thousand dollars a year of you wanna interview for one out of of do that for you on said okay. I said could. I talk dallas anonymous as well. Yeah but you can't talk about money. I said well okay I talked him. Sixty seconds. this disaster. So get him on the phone and sitting dallas to meet you. He just taken over as a gm at manager phillies to the world series in Any says So what do you. What do you mean. What do you wanna talk to me about anything but money. I said while. I want you to consider paying the fifteen thousand dollars a year. I get a job and a thousand move back into cut me off. He says you can't. You're not doing this. I got enough. People appear whatever i feel like. I didn't hear me out Thirty seconds left. I'll do both jobs. Hire me for both. you'll save money. I'll be able to afford a house. I just bought and can't really never gig right all so he did so this a long way to answer your question so me working in the media. Help me understand me. Working in media relations for professional teams like the cubs for three years also helped me understand it. So they want. I became sistan. Gm and gm and in the media later. It'll on the tv tv side in. I see i understand that. I understand what you do. I understand why you do what you do and how you do what you do. I have an appreciation for and so it was. It was helpful all these things to do as a younger person. If you wonder. What am i doing this for. Is this ever gonna pay dividends this ever gonna lead me to the promise land of what my goals and aspirations there. I found out that everything i ever did today. Whatever whatever i'm dude has today at all helped me get one of the things he said in. That era was You're willing to do jobs at other people weren't and yes. Give it to your off any examples of that in college. I went to j. c. i. I could get a get accepted any for your school. I wasn't last clown. I was at no-confidence Note janssen so. I had to work in a print shop and maybe the only time i ever looked at the clock was our day. She mike among different things like that. But you know. I've tended bar. I've done all these other things you learn about people and not everybody wants to wait tables or or different things that i did on the way up but it also taught me something. When i got to college. I started working at the daily newspaper. Wrote try weekly and then also the chicago daily news which is long gone up was l. on a pulitzer prize winners out. I was covering high school that i went downstairs. danville illinois thirty miles. East of champaign urbana. I mean. I'm a city boy. This is this not a city sitting. you know. And i can't tell you that i loved it again. Tell you that. I love being there every day but i knew i had to get better and i knew that. Okay you know. How do i use my time. Am i gonna solve my going to be edited that i'm not working in a big city or not doing this now. I got use my time to the best of my ability so volunteered. extra work. Volunteered to drive the purdue to watch for dupleix michigan in in in basketball on tuesday night. A militant snowstorm volunteered for things to continue to refine my craft in to stay after. Take nothing for granted nothing ever ever taken advantage. He said of your daddy. He taught us to respect to help into work in to help is an interesting part of that equation to help as a person that Fixity joe we lived in Lived in the city and we lived in the garage and lived in the garage. I years of their marriage. I came along five years. You know you've got a massive divorce rate in the world. Today that these people would stay married. Sell my dad died and he lived in a garage for decade. I mean today could people do that. I don't know who the element fewer than did. Let's just worked. he worked. he worked hard. Who was honorable. Trust-worthy this to state after the entire my brother and i and my mom the same thing she will. They taught us to be to be helpful of people. People can knock on on our middle of the night furnace. Went out of their car. Wouldn't start if the edit On my daily up fix grow out of that system wasn't in sadly in. He got sick back to chicago starter. Mike up career january third of nineteen eighty two and he died that a fact tomorrow will be the thirty ninth anniversary of this so now he missed a lot missed a lot of different different things but i think about him every day. I actually people. Most people don't know this. I have to tattoos. Not the kinda guy who would probably think that. But i was reading this. This great book. Tim russ was Breasts in talked about him at his head and he talked about his son. Luke in I'll look went off to college in intimidate son were were tight as an Some off to college in boston or someplace like that. It comes back to new york christmas holidays. And he's trying to shirt on. He's got this tattoo on his side. And tim's wife knows what what are you doing in all year yourself. How is your son doing. You know like all the rest of the college kids out. He's got a tattoo and in. Luke says a calm down is all in a book. Calmed down kauthen. Anything he says. This is your initials just wanted your initials launch. Want you by my side. My dad's initials on my left side of my mom's initials on nightside both in their handwriting. In a nurse in the legis. I decided that after my dad left my mom. Find an old lederer Generous took his initials off there. So of a very well. Blessed and been blessed beyond measure. My life where i come from. Most people don't have the opportunities to get me wrong. Have worked and i've i've done what i needed to do. A lot of people. I never made it out of high school about dropping out talk of it. Yeah let's take our last break in and still have four pages of notes. So maybe we'll get to quarter of them but that's all right. I can do the whole line. we just did. It was great. All right we'll be right back growing up. There wasn't a lot of things ban in my house. We had a lot of the eighties. 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You a loved every saturday night when the oxford plan in toronto or montreal back original six i walked down into the reception in mr bell here and my business cards to the person as it. All i wanna do is say hello. I'm a huge fan. Five minutes later though i was and i've got let us from them. I've got recordings from the survey on my phone just a tremendous cinema. He invents fellate Are probably in my life and times sports to abi rates what they did and two of the best people love every normal. That's amazing that's a photo. John right there behind me that i have signed him that i'd i'd bought because first of all i mean he's you're right. He's in terms of the classiest in the world. What they did is at the top. And i also just love that era like he's talking to people in the crowd and they're all dressed to the nines and i just love that snapshot of a moment gash don't let school about leads But occupy new scout. I wore a suit all the time. i wear a suit the scout. There's a lot of guys scout in baseball. You don't know if they got the The fact i just bought a brand new sooner had sharks lining inside that. Oh yeah so. it's it's very cool very classy. Classy sport i was getting. My start is a national reiter was doing something on the canadians anniversary. Or something and talking to the pr guy there. And he's i needed to sean bell. Now nobody he doesn't know me from anybody in each secures his home number in give him a gathering like this landline old school. Yes six right up. And i could you know i could have been somebody who'd been dealing with without. I couldn't even more comfortable in that conversation. Remarkable dozen. John bell. John belleville coach. He's was amazing. So did you get a chance to go to the box games growing up. I don't know what a couple it was. One of the toughest tickets in and the cost was way beyond my family could afford. But my dad. And i remember the first game rangers. Beat the hawks To a date written something that she was like in the movies. Sixty seven sixty eight somewhere near. But i go once in a while and unluckily the hawks on tv. At least rogaine are on tv. Would watch all those games. Original six guys not played certain nights of the week hall. October always homes on the night. Montreal china always on saturday night. I am yeah so yeah all levels at an early age early age so one of these. I wanted to ask the You're working your way up through the system from journalism. The pr side. Then you make at some point you make the leap into the kind of the roster construction part of instead of of the business ops with pr. When was that know. I am sure that. I know there's a lot of people listening that are writers or they're on the other. That's that's a pretty big leap is I told you a little bit. Not how i ended up with the cubs told with do two jobs in a. I wish i would've asked this question. passed away a couple years. A whistle would have asked him this question before. I left because a couple years after. I did this late on a tuesday night. Rep before thanksgiving. I was always. I always the last one believe he walked by with an attorney and he says this is So and so from the law firm washington. Dc that we use for salary arbitration. -cation i want you to them. We're gonna have. Leon durham but hearing most likely and i want you to work with them. You know the game have been travel with the team. played some. you've got a great field for help him out. He's a brilliant lawyer. Frank casey brilliant but getting around a cubs all year. He lives in washington dc. So i started doing it then. And we prevailed in the case in dallas complimentary for it and then little by little it continued to give me more and more responsibility a stolen. Pr selling publications. But he said. I want you to spend a week in the mileage and watch you to spend a week with the scout amateurs go. I want you to spend a week at the trading deadline with with this cup and so he continued to introduce me some more and more engine the question. I wish i would've aston is is did he choose me to do because of how i approach him for a job. I'll do two jobs aiming for one little bit more than you're gonna pay just to touch more you'll save yourself ten grand you'll save yourself the insurance for another person to the annual raises all those things but i am. You can fire me. I told him he can fire me like my work. You know what you're gonna like my work and this a cock yes. I just knew that. I just knew that i could do whatever i needed to do. To survive at senior might family and so he gave me off tutor. And i was straddling the line. One of my dearest friends in baseball was andre dawson and i was doing a salary arbitration cases also his top pr guy when he won the mvp and then like this is all season lying. Alison be expos. We sign on goes off the year and then in february sitting across the table from mini is looking at area. Now you my money. I saw i tell you know. Yeah but i just got opportunity again i. I'm not the smartest guy ever gonna talk to crack in another analytics. Were so important to my in hiring. Gpa where you went to school in all these other things you know. I've been working in in franklin bark. Not just i just took advantage of opportunity. I never never stood on the table. Said hey look at me. I'm the best and you ought to hire me Never i just hope. People looked in people realize that that i was trust-worthy i would do everything i could to make it work. I've got forty years. You know what. I did today for the first time in forty years. What's that first world series. You did today. Yes my first world series winning the world series four times finally got one only translations for sewell. Thank you fourteen thousand three hundred sixty days. The by I didn't ask dallas green. Give you the fifteen thousand job. Dan give you any money. Okay let's give it a fifteen dollars an arbitration case. I says you know. I could use a little bit more iron here. I think i'll give you five thousand six hundred and fifty you're gonna get five is a got it. That's great was you was. I love the man it was. It was a great leader. You said once he might have been one of the best leaders you ever came across What was about his style that said to that really made an impact he He held you accountable. He held us silicon and he he gave you opportunity but not without the cost of accountability attached to it. And you didn't wanna let him down. There's one thing that somebody mad at us another thing that you know. Sometimes you gave your parents managed to but you never wanna disappoint them. Yeah and that's how it was dallas. And you know he. He used to get on me all the time and another coach john vukovich festival a few years ago. Grave one of my dearest friends yobe annuity beat wall of us and we were the two guys you always count on and he would just hammer us in these meetings in buca played format and fill. When i go to google really tough. You knew what. What are we doing channel. He says not only. Do we know that with the other guys in the room. Though too and they know that he depends on so he's using us the make sure that they know they turn it. Up is a village on plus. He'll jump everybody but he's one of my favorite people of all time will always be an opportunity that came with the other guy you mentioned in this sentence was jim finks. We haven't talked about jim finks. That is one of the greatest leaders. I don't know anything. I don't know much about jim with We can talk about his leadership style. Jim financial nfl jacket. When you look back in the history of the super bowl minnesota. Vikings went a lot early on and and he was the leader of kim chicago. He built the bears. You wasn't there in eighty six. When they won the super bowl team together. He came to help dallas out a role for about fourteen months. Didn't have lights at wrigley field. We had a lot of things going on and so they took a little bit of the off the field of alliances issue number one and gave it to the jim but jim thanks was revered in chicago sports. He was almost the nfl. Commissioner the opportunity. And i was of if there were hundred people in the organization i might have been ninety fifth on the list. Yeah right but he took time to be whatever and he called me. He says so. Tell me when he got mine would do you wanna be out. Can we help you get there. He did or whatever and you just took eight took interest and even use lead. He went on to lead the saints after the cubs with. Oh yes okay. Yeah yeah in the. Nfl meetings should be so many times in phoenix during spring training Bmw with you. Let's have dinner and mini was one of the big big in the nfl for decades and always took the time to share. The always took the time to listen and always headed by. I miss him there he was. It was a special special is high a treat people opportunities. It's communication at. These people. Had again i was i was gonna garage barely gun in the college of ed hanging by a thread view know and they still took the time to give me advice into the whole macau of which never forget Last topic here in this is really self serving on my part because a contract year you've Two billion dollars in contracts. at least what. What does it take the win negotiation leverage what you need is what should he teaches at peppered that yet person you have to do research you have to know everything you can know about what people get paid for what they do. The situation where the company who the person is you're gonna be talking to are. They truthful the united all my work with agents to varying degrees of of integrity. I guess blended so you have to research research ski. No everything yeah. Whenever i would go to see ownership my goal was they'll never be able to ask me a question about night. I have that. I won't be able to answer. I never wanted to say. Hey let me get back. Never i had everything so it helped me. My research is preparation. Some people see research as preparation. I don't see researches preparation preparation the me is all you think and how you will unfold age by age your conversation. You're talk Off process and sometimes you can be scripted but it doesn't make any difference because you may hear something that's gonna be utterly out of left field so to speak. Yeah how do you adjust to that. How do you prepare your mind to be ready for all sorts of different different detours into your thought process. Now the thing is to be able to lis- you have to be able to listen. I learned nothing from talk. I learned everything from this. Got to be able to list. And if you're on the buying side you have to have the courage shane. No to a lot of people. Don't ever say no think about an agent's job to get the most right if you don't say no every negotiation. I did ended with me saying undone this now yesterday. Pommy back in a half hour. Tell me if you taken it. They'll tell me if you're not. I have nothing more to give you. I have nothing more to offer. I'm ready to walk away. I'm okay walkaway. Want the player absolute at the courage to do that. Then the last thing is timing piece of which i alluded to earlier humming is such an important role in most people. Don't even pay attention to time. But when they look back on a negotiation timing always matters. Were people at a certain point in time on the crossroads a situation. And what is the timing of. The song is san how to use timing to a benefit. Or if you have no control over the timing at least aware of it maybe you can push it if if you know that you know. Budgets are going to be slashed different things. You're going to be happening. Hey you know what. I'm going to get in there sooner than later. ryan making inroads. I'm gonna try. And i gotta listen. You're what they say. They may give me a hint. That everything's gonna be goal. I gotta keep bush in that way. They may give me a hint that you know what i might not be in their plans known. I need to know that. I need to listen bit. Those are things. Call me if you need me. I think it's gonna go okay. I feel if you'll all right. It's a it's early. Negotiation stands out to you like a player that was it was exhaust. Thank gosh. I signed berry. after buried. Seventy three home runs earn agent. Now that was that was just hired. Scott boras of Baseball i go back scott. Many many years that's guy was was big. Zach cranky assigns jack here in la. I son back to back days. Jack gave him out after three years is i. I knew that he may or may not like it. Now and they wanna have a chance to go someplace else may have a chance to ashen. But in the meantime we'll be getting his best three years. I was full with you. It's not one in fifteen. He took off air. Zona ended up in houston now and sign on june Send him on a sunday with scott. I signed jack Sarah casey in the social pretty good ones zone. They gotta pay attention. You gotta know who you're dealing. And i knew age and i could call in. I knew i was going to get a lot of bs. Rows gonna get you know playing with the language it went so when he got out while i've got I've got five and sixty okay. You think in five years sixty million plenet doesn't necessarily mean that these got five and sixty million in the same deal may have fifty million dollars deal five years. It's ten years not well. We may have an eight year deal. Were it'll for sixty eight. The number either five and sixty while. Listen day attention at domain. Got twelve M i mean he's got something else i'd say so when he got you know what are you really got. You got sixty. He got twelve year. Non okay you. That's great finance sixty nine five times sixty. that's awesome. Yeah but that's right. That's right well. This was so fun and and i really appreciate taking the time to do this. Congrat- in the ring. I love that. That lives zagging. Thank me for the on. I hope that you know. I hope we mean. I hope that we nice ice skating rink some day. Yeah same absolutely. I'm looking forward to that. Anybody listens to your your show at vote. We talked about. Oh they will. I know they will. Thanks for your welcome owner. Think ned colletti during the podcast To creek station. It covered so many topics that i love. From the path people take to roster construction building a team building a winner in man. I have to tell you. I wish that we recorded that conversation After the rangers fallout a as i sit here in record this In this is gonna drop next day but we are. You know one day removed from the tom. Wilson statement Two days from the hit and the all the controversy that surrounded it and they just cleaned house in new york. It's it's wild in we're still waiting for answers in perhaps when you're listening to this more will have emerged because this is happening as we speak but some of the theories being floated in in this we can talk about generally. Is that the rangers as constructed. Were too reliant on skill not enough battle in strength in all the kind of the ocoee cliches you talk about and it almost gets it some of the things that ned was talking about it. You know when you're talking about players in player evaluation in want to win. I think sometimes hockey space that gets lost for like size and toughness when some of these teams that you see have success. it's not necessarily size. It's it's that desire. It's that battle. It's finding that right skill. And oftentimes in a rebuild. Those are the last pieces you plug in the. If i'm looking at a rebuild process in let's say through the lens of the new york rangers. I have a really hard time looking. At what jeff gordon had done there in really having an issue with it certainly not anything that would cost him his job right like they cut bait at the exact right time so that they still had assets to move and ryan mcdonagh and some of those players at the time in you. Can we can look back and say how did they get enough for those players. I think that's that's a decent debate but in terms of timing. I always the rangers very smart and how they handled it. Sometimes these teams we too long 'til those guys are either last year contracts or move on or two old. Don't have any worth. And i don't think the rangers that Got good value hit Picks this team is loaded with young talent You know made added parent like the rangers. I like the stunning thing to to me in again. It's very much in the moment but you look at the. This is a team. That's clearly on the rise I sure a ton of rebuilding teams with tracers for immediately and You know any notion. That tomlinson had his way with his team. There's done of toughness. That's some of the stuff that you play at the very end. And i i look at the tampa bay. Lightning have had success. The added the skill. You could over the mountain when you make some deals you look at the toronto maple leafs. Who knows how the playoffs going to go. But i suspect it's going to go pretty well for the maple leafs in the of the skill players. They add some of the toughness out some character. Like like. that's that's almost the cherry on top. And when you're gonna rebuild its it's you gotta focus on skill in my opinion. And i thought the rangers doing a good job of that so it's gonna be fascinating to see how that plays out In front of you. Wondering why. I didn't ask about any that. That's because we recorded that interview. Well before all of that happened. Along those lines. I do want to highlight the bill. Daley was on scott and peers episode of the athletic hockey show and he got into part part of the news of the day the statement from the rangers and a few things. I'm bill daley cash. Get he's always putting out fires always dealing with something and he took on a lot of interesting topics in that didn't get into the firing because it up and yet but the statement the olympics. The play offs. A lot on. Bill daley's plate so if you want to hear what you had to see this peer definitely check out that all episodes of the athletic hockey show john mccain do and healy salvi and mendez are on. It's fantastic another strong recommendation on the podcast. Front goalless indicated strings conversation with jeff. Patterson and thomas trant got into jake virtanen situation and katya. She does covered it with a talked about with perspective with tact with experience. She's brilliant when it comes to that so if you want to understand what goes into according about a little bit more of that situation. Go listen to that episode. It's it's really good. I ask things you're not subscribing to the athletically athletic dot com slash four sixty to get in at three ninety nine a month. If you want to help out the pilot fan appreciate it and you want to help a little. Bit goal rate and subscribe on apple helps helps bring it to the top of the charts out. Spread the word. I would greatly appreciate it since a lot. They so much for listening. Thanks again for joining the podcast and navigate week.

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"Today's episode of thirty thousand podcast is dedicated to the memory of matisse give lennox so elliott. Let me before we get into the game. Let me let you know what i've been doing. The last twenty four hours first of all what do you think. it is looking for. Guelleh pajamas with my man. The director of athletics and the university of wealth. Scott mcroberts and we originally. He said he could get an adult ones. E with university of colors logos all of that stuff which okay that was. That was kind of intriguing to and said you know. Well it's just think was regular jan gulf jammies. Let's just to you of g. Jammies and scott mcroberts gonna put it all together for us director of athletics for the great university of wealth and then the montreal canadians ruined the whole thing. We'll wait a second okay. Okay okay. okay. I don't want this to go to waste so last year. It was the beard and the target was fifteen thousand. Yes if we want to do a target for the guel jamie's or the g- wealth ones the ones onesie. What should it be Jeez i don't know. I think it's got to be a bigger number than the beer because the beard was going off anyway and we got a set. The it'll be review children's hospital. I assume again. We'll figure out which charities it's going to be. yeah but i'll leave it to the audience. What's the target number tweeden and your target number for this one. How much money we can raise get elliott neither an adult ones e or griffin jamie's. Let's see what happens. We're crowd sourcing this. We're not committing anything at this time. We're crowd sourcing this. Let's see how people feel crowd sourcing. This one see what the number ends up being. And then jeff and i will make a decision. Let's get to the game. Josh anderson book ends it starts it finishes. It had a real good game. Playing with suzuki and caufield. We're going to a game. Five three two is the final. John cooper was asked after the game. You know what would you have done differently. And he said something along the lines that well we wouldn't have hit as many goalposts. What's your takeaway from this game. Monday night. I really thought that in the first fifteen minutes they were going to blow montreal out of the building. Montreal did not touch the puck. The first fifteen minutes. And i didn't think that we were going to have a game five. I was actually at one point at google. What do guel pajamas look like. I thought they were gonna storm away with it and price held his ground. They got the first goal. You know honestly. I have to tell you. It's a stunner that montreal won this game. They didn't touch the puck early. Yep they blew two leads pretty quickly. They had the four minute. Double monitor on weber late in regulation in early and overtime all credit to the canadians. They had every excuse to lose this game and they found a way to win it And you know what. I don't like politicians. So i am happy to blame this one on the mayor of tampa bay. So that's jane castor tampa bay mare. Who if you missed it opined that it would be best if tampa loss game for. They could come back and win it on home grounding game five and celebrate properly. Here's what we would like what we would like is for the lightning to take it a little bit easy to give the canadians. Just the smallest break allow them to win win at home. And then bring it back to the emily arena for the final and the winning of the stanley cup. But we don't wanna get ahead of ourselves but they are playing some amazing amazing hockey to which every tampa bay hockey fan cringed to say nothing about the organization itself who must have felt the same way Before you get deeper and the game thoughts on a couple of lineup changes are for dom ducharme you. Sperry cut kenya me. Oh jake evans in With byron and lebanon Alex romanov in brett kulak in John merrill eric of scenario for tampa once again no caloric matthew joseph who was real good specifically on that pat maroon goal Drew in once again for the tampa. Bay lightning What did you make the changes specifically by dom ducharme there. Well first of all let me just say. I was really happy for matthew joseph. I i know it didn't work out the way he would have liked it but together. Big assist like that in his home province of that must have been a huge moment and that guy could play for anybody else except the team is playing on right. oh he's a full-timer all over the league. Absolutely so i was. I was really thrilled for him to get that moment. You know as for what montreal did first of all. I really felt that needed to make a change. I understood why they didn't make changes going into game three but they had two for game four and i think everybody understood the changes on the blue line. I was not surprised that jake evans got in. Because i think ducharme and the coaching staff really trust evans and his first game you know. He hadn't played in a while he was coming off a pretty traumatic injury. I wasn't. I don't think anybody was surprised. He was a step behind. I still can't believe you know. Even though evans gotten assist and again. I no problem with him playing. I still can't believe the call. Can yemi was the guy that they took out. I disagree with that. I think is an organization that canadians have made a lot of good calls on cock niemi taking him third overall. You know how they've used them around the lineup. I wouldn't have done that when you have a guy who you want to be a cornerstone player particularly at center. He's got to play these kinds of games to understand how hard it is. I know myself. I'm k- i use this analogy couple of times today if i was on the hockey night panel with dave and they came to me for this game game four and said you're off the panel. You know i would never complain publicly. I would never rip a teammate. I don't believe in that kind of thing. But i don't think i'd ever forget it. You know i would be pissed off. I would be furious. And i don't think i would ever forget it and i can only judge others the way i judge myself if i'm caulking yemi i'm not causing any problems but i won't forget that that's not just a scratch and some other point during the season. This is a big time. Big stage scratch. And i just know how. I would feel. And i wouldn't soon forget that i just. Unless he's really playing terribly or noticeably. Terribly than other people i'm not screwing around with a franchise potential franchise cornerstone like that and it will probably get worse. Espn he cut kenya. Because what's the old saying. You don't chain to winning line-up do you expect them to change a winning line-up come wednesday no i. I don't think you do. I mean you'll the other thing too is is that to me looking at it from the outside. It's a situation where you're taking either him out or a veteran out and i'm wondering if ducharme just said i listen to his explanation and actually on some level it made sense about his duos and things like that. I understood where he was coming from. But that couldn't have been the only guy they were thinking of taking out of the lineup. Right and at the end of the day it's always easier to take the younger guy out than it is to take the veteran guy out a couple of things one you know. We wondered if in game three there was really only thirty. Five hundred people in the stands. I don't believe and nobody's wondering if there were thirty five people in stands because elliott. There were way more than thirty five hundred people in that ring tonight. You say you're really bad at counting houses but even you okay looking around that building on monday night sitting there with dave not was there more than thirty five hundred but how many more than thirty five hundred were there. You know what it seems to me that whoever is responsible for making this decision for health quebec is looking at their tv. And saying la. La la la. I do not see the crowd. La la la la. I do not see the crowd. Yes that's that's what's going on. Dna thing that was always nicest seen we remark on it every time it happens because it's montreal keel flirter yvonne corn way and patrick wa-. They're and they're actually there in the booth right next to us right. Yeah did you get a chance to talk to any of them. Ron interviewed yellow flower and yvonne corn way came in to say hi to ron and we all said hello to mr corn. 'way why did not come in but i just like waved at him a little bit. This was a very different pre-game show on monday night. First of all it was a lot of interviews gala floor and he looks fantastic. We're very hot as a. He looked terrific j. barra shell came in with his wife. You know it was funny. Because he's staying in the same hotel we are. And i have this thing my son. Who's nine max. He loves elevator. So whenever i go in an elevator. I facetime him. If he's around so he can see the elevator ride but he knows the rule and the rule is. If there's anyone else in the elevator. I turn off the facetime. Because they haven't signed up for this. And so i walk into the elevator and there's someone there and i missed the button to end the facetime so i'm scrambling with my phone. I'm trying to call him back. And you know there's someone else in the elevator with me but i don't look at them and that on the way out like they wave at me and i kind of halfheartedly wave back. I don't mean to be rude. But i'm on the phone with my son then about three minutes later i get this. Dm and it's j. barrichello. Saying i was just in the elevator with you and i'm like oh my god. That was so rude embarrassed but he was a really good interview. And you know so was tardif. You know he was yeah. He was fantastic to talk to total what he was wearing. Philip the no-shirt because laura on duvenage cardiff is people know. He took the year off the nfl to work in some of these long term care facilities and there was a woman there who is in staying in the home and she loved filipino. And he set up a facetime call with her and got her jersey when i was with Tardy if i feel like less of a human being because of everything. He's done this year. The whole night was really special. Because of those interviews the pregame show a bit of a different feel. You know we haven't done these really jeff all season so it was really nice to have that. It was a really special night. I'm looking the only thing. I'm not looking forward to about game five. Is that you know. There's a tropical storm headed towards tab on wednesday morning. I kinda live without that. I was going to say is the only miserable thing about heading to tampa for a game. Five the fact that the game five might not be on wednesday now as we sit here early tuesday morning and tape it. We're under the impression that game is going to be played on wednesday. But you're right you. You never know what could happen. You know jeff the other thing. Is this going to be the first game. I go to whether it's going to be a full house. Yep weather permitting. Of course. And i don't know what that's going to look like. That's going to be very weird in different for me right now. That's going to feel really cool. You're gonna love it. I know you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it a couple more things in the game as well flashpoint player and it wasn't just because of the four-minute penalty at the end of the third period. That bled into the overtime. But this was a shea weber game in a lot of ways. You mentioned right office start. This is all about tampa. And they're dominating. They are dominating all period long. Before josh anderson scores on a gorgeous we should point out pass from an xs. do man. i'll tell you what suzuki is just growing before. Everybody's is like futures star in the nhl period but weber's physicality in this game. I know this weber story is going to be about the The double minor the high-stick on pohlad putting montreal's season in jeopardy you know did he just hand tampa the stanley cup. But the way that weber went abroad brayden point specifically at times like there was that one hit along the boards. We had a run out and from about half the width of the ice. Where you're like. Oh man if he catches some anywhere close to clean. I don't know that that you know that we're gonna see much more brayden point this game. Did you have a thought on shea. Weber's game tonight. Well i'm happy for him that it didn't end with him in the penalty box. That's number one. You wouldn't wanna see somebody sitting in the penalty box when your season ends on a four minute man advantage penalty and overtime so i was really happy for him. You know i thought the canadians they were pretty docile and placid for a lot of this series. They were more like themselves in this game. And i have no doubt. They were pushed in that direction. You know price too. I don't always trust the public models. Unexpected goals some teams. Tell me that they're missing some information that they have that the general public doesn't so they they make me they see be wary of that kind of thing but one of the team said to me that the expected goals prices have given up with somewhere between four and five gave up too. I thought there were a lot of guys who were back to themselves. And were normal again and we'll see what the cases for game five the guy. I'm actually really happy for that. Didn't look worse was point and not because of any of the hits but because of the shoddy took from headman. Well it's funny because that was after you got pounded a couple of times by weber and then the cherry on top was getting a slap from victor edman exactly and you know when he was down the ice there i thought he was done for the year and he missed two shifts and one of the reasons he sat there was because you have to skied all the way the other end of the ice when you're the visitor and montreal but i was happy to see him come back for the third. Nobody wants to see. Somebody knocked out from that talent. Johnson jumps in right away in In brayden point spot third period was an interesting one alexander romanoff makes it to one and ducharme looks good genius for inserting him in the lineup. And then as you mentioned earlier listen on a. I don't know how you maybe describe it as a misread on the two on one misplaced. I don't know Matthew joseph's pass rate on the of patrick maroon taps it in block by taller foley holds it into the right point. Joseph knocks it off his stick. It's out of the zone. Joseph collects matthew joseph into the offensive zone. Let's come back and this game is tied up to two with six twelve left. What a point by joseph. It was unbelievable. I thought he was gonna shoot it in shoot up but the guy went down in front of him so he just sauce maroon and he passed it to and maroon put it into the net. We're all tied up at two. Do you have a thought on those two plays. I can only imagine. Elliot how loud. It was the bell centre when romanoff scored well. It was hugely loud and it was also loud. Because i think this fan base has wanted to see romantic of play so the fact that he's scored that added another level to they like him and they want him in the lineup. Let's follow this up with With you overtime here and then move on. The podcast is when just going to be a quick you. The way folks Josh anderson scores in overtime. Making it three to this is after nick suzuki again who i thought was real good again in this game. Great game almost ended it short handed style in overtime. Your thoughts on josh anderson. Though he started it he ended it big speed size. Playing with suzuki and caufield thoughts on josh anderson. Well first of all. I have to tell you that happened right below where we sit worse. It is and i didn't see it. Took a keep it alive. Did made this possible when he stopping and getting back to the makes that bull at the beginning really. Yeah yeah because i i was i was watching it from stouffville i saw going. Maybe you should be at the game from where we were. It was in and out so fast that you you couldn't tell even kevin said i'm not sure that's in and the reason we we realized before the replays were showed that it wasn't is because nobody in tampa argued. They went right off the ice. And i always remember that. From patrick kane's overtime goal. When the blackhawks won the stanley cup in two thousand ten the two guys that cain knew it was in and the two guys right next to the net. Michael leighton obviously in brayden colbourne. They knew it was in so when vassilev ski was sitting there and came right off the ice and the lightning followed him. I said okay. These guys know it's a goal and then the replay showed it came in and out pretty quick again. I have to tell you. Montreal grinded for this one tonight I really thought they were points in the game. That tampa was gonna take over. They didn't the canadians battled. They look more like themselves. And i wondered if price had some kind of vasilevskiy mental block because he's beaten him twelve times in a row whatever the case. He's got a win now. We'll see we'll see if they can bring it back to montreal. Yeah prices struggled against the tampa bay. Lightning that's not exactly a secret. What do you expect on wednesday like some. We'll look at this game and say all right. You know winding your wristwatch on the way to the electric chair. Like how do you see this one again. I think tampa is gonna come out like a house on fire. The building's going to be packed. Yes skinny be noisy. They're in their own barn. Like all of it is just lining and we know how devastate i. That's the thing about tampa that we've seen before they can score like three goals in two minutes and fifteen seconds like that like boom and then. The game's over montreal played a heck of a last game though in tampa. They put a great game too. He didn't they got out done by two mistakes. But they're gonna come out shot out of a candidate they're gonna have they better be ready. We'll see what happens. Couple of notes from around the nhl We want to do this quickly because someone has to get to bed because he's getting on a plane very early in the morning five. Am wakeup call at a boy. Okay buffalo sabres eichel surgery. The sabers want rehab. Peter fish says this is coming to a conclusion. Anything new the you can glean there before we get to the san ventura news. Peter fish the. He's used that line before. I think the only thing that suddenly becoming an issue here is. If you don't do this soon as the acquiring team going to be comfortable that i was going to have enough time to recover to be ready for next year and again the ask is really high. You know there's one team out there and someone from there just said he wouldn't believe what the ask is and i said well what is it and they go. I can't tell you now maybe later. And every day. I text this person i say as it later and they say no. We can't do it. I just think the ask is is really high. We'll see. I mean they've really tried to keep a lid on that after everything that happened when it first started. But there's at least one team out there. I've heard that is this saying if this isn't soon were out also in buffalo an interesting higher. So sam ventura leaves the pittsburgh penguins higher by the buffalo sabres as vp of hockey strategies and research. What do you make of this one. Will he had a tie. In with jason. Karmanos yes and i think karmanos had a big say in this seven. Insurers got a really good reputation and one of the people who quote tweeted. It is a goblet of seth part. Know who's known as anchorage man. He's a big nba or basketball analytics guy. I've read some of his stuff. It's it's very interesting. It wasn't just the hockey guys and people who are hockey fans. Who kind of responded to this one. There were some people who are big into analytics into other sports and i. That was really interesting. Ventura there are people out there who really like him. The what it says to me ron. Hextall is is not a dumb guy. And i think ron hextall does a lot of very interesting thinking and i know that he doesn't discount and a little thinking so that says to me he's got something else in mind and with the regime. Change in pittsburgh. San venture was available to go elsewhere. That's one of the few things that sabres fans online have light in. The online world is very analytic. So whether you're pro ranchi analytics tends to really tip off. What the response to something like this is going to be but the analytic community was was very happy for sam is smart guy from him. But i've heard very good things about him. One person that i spoke with from an nhl team said this is an interesting one. Because of the relationship with jason karmanos. Because it's it's one thing for an nhl team to have let's just say an analytics department call it that it's one thing to have an analytics department. It's another thing to get your ideas into the. How do we put it discussion flow of a team. Like you've heard the stories before. Oh yeah we've got analytics. Department of the stuff goes to the general manager and then he throws it in the garbage and doesn't even read it but you can check a box and say we have these people that handle analytics for us to this. One is different because he comes in with karmanos. So you know that. His information is going to get in the information stream of the buffalo sabres. This is ingest. yes we have an analytics department. This is getting your voice. Heard which is why. I look at this one elliott and i say this one's this one's different than just a regular analytics higher. This is sam venture comes in and because of the associated with karmanos. His ideas are going to be heard. Which would lead me to believe or think anyhow that buffalo is probably going to go all in on analytics true false. I don't know if i would say all in. But i think he's obviously going to have a voice And i would think a pretty big one. We'll see. I'm beginning to think a lot of this. Some of this stuff is is performance. Art right in one sense. I think there are some teams who really believe in it. But they don't always brag about it right And i think there are some teams that brag about it and believe in it and i think there are other teams who talk a big game about it because they know that if they say no we don't believe in analytics social is gonna go crazy. So they say they do but they really don't i would think if you're giving someone a vp title and your learning them from another organization. You're probably putting something into it agreed. Just one other thing. I wanted to talk about this week. Duncan keith i wonder if this edmonton chicago thing is getting to a yes or no situation. What do you mean i like i just wonder if edmonton chicago were gonna say either. We're doing this. We're not because we're in the headlines too much to public that we're talking. We need to put an end to this one way or the other. I don't even know if it's so much that as much as it is you know. They're kinda staring at each other that they know. What's on the table. Are we going to do it or not. You'll both these teams have to have some certainty on what they're doing for a the expansion draft and be eventually especially in edmonton's case free agency gonna know if this is going to get done or not. Wouldn't this be something that's initiated though by the player since he's holding the cards here well it is. But you're going to be able to make a trade right absolutely but i'm just curious about what type of pressure someone. Like duncan keith. Could apply to the chicago blackhawks if he wants this done. Could duncan keith. Knock organization and say we talked about this last part gaspar podcast before i did you a real solid for like ten years one a couple of stanley cups. I wanna conce by trophy and we did it all on the backs of me having a very team friendly contract. Now do me a solid here. You may not have the return that you want but this is. This is me calling in a favor. Is that not feel like this. Well there is certainly part of that. But i think also the blackhawks might wanna do it to You know. I think they'd love to change some things around and i think they would definitely do duncan keith. A solid and say. Hey you're a franchise legend if you wanna go somewhere will work with you to do it. But i think that also love to get their hands on like a seth jones or dougie hamilton. And without keys money there. It's easier to do that the other thing someone was saying to me was you could buy out duncan keys contract now. It's a big hit. The next two years it's four and four and a half. I think which is still a million less than what is cap. It is right now. A million a half and then a million but the two years after that the cap had six hundred thousand apiece right and then duncan keith could sign whatever he wants now. I'm betting chicago would rather trade him than by him out. Yeah also get the cap it completely gone instead of slightly gone the next two years. But you know that's what someone said to me they could do. It's not the worst idea chicago by the way. Chicago's getting close to having like nothing on their cap. They can the next couple of seasons like getting pretty close to like starting from scratch here when they get a couple of these big tickets off we set up before they're going to be the more entering teams the follow In the next couple of seasons for how they redo this and restructure the team elliott wanna finish by talking about Matisse kev lennox Who passes away the age of twenty four after a fireworks accident. We offer condolences to his family. First and foremost condolences to his friends condolences to the entire columbus organization in their fans. The latvian hockey federation and their fans as well. I mean what an awful story to hear the details. Awful young person everything about it just terrible you know i just wanted to say i thought the tributes from the blue jackets and their fans were extremely. Well done the nathan gerbasi one. The will pick a line in one Earlier tonight. I saw an elvis. Moore's lincoln's one from instagram. I'm sure i'm missing some. And i'm sorry i'm not naming them all nick felino filipinos but i thought the tributes were beautiful. And you know i know. It's it's been a big challenge for the blue jackets fans in the last year. Tough season the seth jones news and none of that compares to this like this is gut wrenching and heart hurting but i thought that fan base first of all. They're a great fan base. They love hockey. They're they're a big part of the league. I just thought that fan base today. The hard core blue jackets fans doing a meet up but at a local bar and doing an eighty second tribute to him because his numbers eighty. I think that is just beautiful and good on the blue jackets fans. Who did that is such a wonderful tribute in the gut wrenching time. I thought that was fantastic and should be singled out for praise.

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Game Misconduct Season Preview

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Game Misconduct Season Preview

"The lease. Is that game misconduct podcast with Don league-record and welcome back everybody. Hopefully everyone had a phenomenal summer. The season is almost the honest about a week away. So we'd figure he give you a little bit of a taste a little bit of a preview in the reaction on Twitter was tremendous. People have been asking all summer long ones game is conduct coming back, and I was finally able to nail down September twenty fourth today. So not sure when the next one's going to be, but we'll get going once the season starts will have every single day recap of the games from the night before, but we'll give you a bit of a preview. And since it's a Monday, why not go to our Monday guy? That of course is EJ Radic NHL network Monday through Friday you can watch at h. l. now from four to six eastern time, EJ Don league-record. How are you buddy. You know, it's it's so true hockey fans. It's, they're just eager like the puck gets like we, you know, we raise the Stanley Cup in Jones, and I mean people want games again, like in like three days later, you know, fan had there whether it would be little or no off-season at all. Just start right up in the next season. But you know, the players needs a little time to to get kinda back into gear. And there was so many different moves and things that will happen in the off season. So a lot of ground, a lot of things to talk about both now and moving forward. And of course, the best thing I saw last couple days is you drop in the puck at Ramat poll college. I believe they are. They're hockey team was playing and they had you at all right off the puck. Yes, though I was honored. They gave me a gorgeous jersey Greco on the back. It was terrific. They played Hofstra. They beat them tend to to lot of fun. It was a lot of fun going out there, seeing a lot of the fans people coming out so they got, they play their games at the ice fault in Wayne New Jersey, and they've got nice place. The hit men were playing the rockets. And of course, the rockets that was the team that. Jerry Roenick play with when he was a kid so that the bunch of rinks and really just cool atmosphere and people just love and hockey, grassroots stuff. So I know that always gets tagged towards more of the Canadian thing. But there's so many little outlets around the United States where you see how much the game is growing that people care about it on the college level highschool peewee, and there's kids playing the sport parents going to the games, and I think that needs to be promoted a little bit more because you stats where you see the sport grow EJ, right? And you see how much Dallas is into hockey beyond just the stars and and in Nashville that when these NHL teams come, they come not just to bring NHL hockey, but just to bring hockey in general to these places in, you know, we'll also we've seen New Jersey players make it to the pros. But this is where it begins that that little kid skate and yesterday or even the guys playing the the higher levels can be your next superstars in this league. So I think that needs to get promoted a lot more. I I, I mean, you said they had Greco on the back of the jersey like that was the surprise like, would they have had Smith? No, they could've just given. Jersey, but they gave me the. They went the extra mile with the full nano used to people go on the full nine for me. You know what I'm saying? Come on down the everybody loves you. Come on people. I wanna say one thing, the jersey hitman. Yeah, there that building there. Toby Harris does a great job with that program, real good guy, and you're absolutely right. I get to be around these rings all the time. My son Brooks was fourteen and playing Danna may level hockey with the brick brick hockey club. I'm one of the coaches there, and you know, every weekend this weekend, we were doubted igloo in laurel plan, and there's just, you know, teams are coming in and you know the kids and the coaches, and everybody involved lot of people, you know, sacrifice their time, the adults to the involved and the kids just love playing. So it's always great for me. I always say the same thing down for me whenever I'm in a little bit of down mood and you know me so that can happen a little bit of a down mood the I always when I go to the rink, I always feel better. I feel like it's like my how my home and you get to see hockey people. So it's so true and it was good to see out there. Donnie puck. It was great. It was a lot of fun. Got me really in mood, not just for hockey, but to get back into the podcast and the day in day out of it, and let's get started. I listen. I know we're both east coast guys and of course that's what we're both station, the New York metropolitan area. So we're definitely focused a lot of time on the Eastern Conference to me, the better stories are coming out west, right? The improvement of Calgary Carlson going to San Jose, Ken loss Vegas duplicate what they did last year Coble Chuck returning to the NHL in l. a. with the kings, I just think is just so many great stories out west. Yeah, I don't think there's any question about it and you know some of the managers out there. I've talked about the idea that everybody just kind of like, you know, low keeps loading up. I mean, you know, San Jose was in the mix of era that didn't get them a couple of months go by. And then the sudden they make the trade per for Carlton. And now when you look at their blue line, you know and have Carlton and burns on the blue line, not, you know, not I, I don't think it quivalent to win the ducks had Pronger need abide or because I think those guys are just such complete where such complete players and really two of the what top five, ten ever to play hockey. But in our in this particular era where there's more of the puck moving defenseman to have those two guys back there, providing the jump from the back end. It'll be really, really interesting to watch the team that's already very, very good in the San Jose Sharks. So you you're absolutely right. I'll be curious about, you know, some of the other like a team like Arizona, Arizona, desert three or weird teams like you know that the Oilers were good to your physical, they were terrible Lage, or are they going to be better there. The coyotes finished strong last year, but you know me I'm never big second half play because a lot of your so far out of it, you're always planning the backup goalie and teams as Uman nature tells the teams don't get. So I'll be curious to see if the coyotes can build on how they finish. Last year. Dallas has a new coach. Minnesota has a new general manager, you know, Winnipeg comes back with a terrific, terrific group nationals gotta. Be disappointed how things finished with them last year. Everybody thought they could win. Saint Louis made some big moves in the offseason. So have some goaltending questions there in an injury would say Talon right now you just go on and on your actually, right. The Western Conference is the pair the east. I look at it when people ask me to predict it, I kind figure it out maybe wrong, but I kind of have an opinion on it in the west. It's really hard to get a real Graham on it. Yeah, because they're just so many really, really good teams and they'll we just mentioned, Calgary kind of loaded up. They go out and they get Neal home. Ryan also know a Hannifin because that's always been looking at the Calgary Flames. There, there's they really need it. I thought to kind of bring together a blue line at sometimes I thought kind of underachieved. They've got some names there, but watching them play. I always thought they could play better. So do you like what Calgary did the changing coach? Our big Peter's guy thought he did a good job in Carolina. I think he'll do excellent in Calgary. Is that a team that can compete with San Jose in the Pacific? I mean. I can be in the battle. I mean, it all comes down to Mike Smith being healthy and playing well, six years of age. So that's a question Mark, right? When he was healthy last year, they were better than when he was out when it was out. It really kind of fell off with them. So he's obviously key for them Bill Peters. I really liked him coming into Carolina. I liked the fact that he went through all the steps. I really, you know, in Carolina a little underwhelmed by what happened there. I know there was some limitations, but at the end of the day, you know, I didn't see that team really moving forward over these last couple of years. So I think for Bill Peters in Calgary, now some of that stuff, you know the the Calgary Flames have shown they're willing to spend money. You know, we're not gonna be able to look at Bill Peters now and say, well, the organization just didn't really support him. You didn't have the money, couldn't go out and get the players and a lot of young guys. I mean, this is Bill Peters is the second job he should know exactly what he's getting into. This'll be a big test for him to see where he's at. You know, they moved Dougie Hamilton, I'll out of their statistically Dougie was pretty good, but for whatever reason. Fit within their group. So you know, you're round goes back as a captain a little bit older, but still in pretty good player. Thirty four years of age. Hannifin comes in still a lot to prove for him. TJ brody's a good player. Hamernicks solid by her fans, don't him from his time with the islanders. So I, I mean, I think the players are there any upfront real Monaghan meal. You right down the line and they have some pretty good offensive players, but they're in a very tough conference or tough division and they're going to have to need. They're gonna have to have things go well, and they're certainly going to have to have likes best play well and you know the Golden Knights. They went out and got Paul Stazzone that's gonna help them. Obviously up front, Nick Holden. They picked up on the blue line. But my biggest concern is Ken, the guys that really just had career years for them do it again, can Carlson duplicate Marsha show that is so many guys there that I thought just played out of their heads now that they come into their own, or were they playing with a chip on their shoulder and have career years? Because I, I don't think they can afford all these guys to take a step back at the same time. Time. Yeah, I know. I agree with that wholeheartedly of, you know, it'll be interesting to see how William crossing does this year. I mean, he was just so good last year, talk coaches that was probably a top five player in the league last year, forty three goals and just was a dynamic player in all situations. Can you know? I'm not expecting him to score forty three goals again this year, but I'm also not expecting of course towards six. I mean, I'm expecting that he's going to have a very, very good season and be a similar player that he was last year of the second go round. You know the it is going to be different. I don't know. You know, it's just that's the way it is in in pro sports updated in life. I mean, you know, they came together. It was a unique thing. Everything happened now in the offseason they added Paul stabs me not the speediest guy, but you know a proven center in this league that can give them a little more depth than the middle. I think when they played Washington that was kind of a whole Washington centers, you know, we finally saw a team that had like real depth down the middle, give the give the Vegas Golden Knights trouble. So they had staff in there. They've added. Max patch ready now, who's the goal scoring winger went out made the trade trying them longer term little bit younger than James. The kind of a similar player. He has experience as a former Canadian with the would you go with these system coach in Montreal. So he knows the player they're going to be missing. Nate Schmidt, you the first twenty games a year. That's huge. I mean, that's whole suspension is a is a monster story and the fact that he's going to be out first twenty games. He's a terrific puck, moving defense and also shape Theodore's currently on fine as we speak as a hold out our FA. So I mean, those are two left shot fucking defense. And so I don't know things in the preseason of look good, but the feces and nobody's really, you know, we're not really to focus on games that don't count. So when it starts when we start playing for real and shape the door, if he's still not there and they Schmidt of obviously going to be out twenty games. I mean, that's a big hole in left side of their defense to fill. And I think that kind of looks at the top heavy part of the Pacific Division. I liked the Kovalchuk acquisition for the Los Angeles Kings. I'm not sure it changes. Them all that much. I don't know how you feel about it. I think it's a, it's a borderline playoff team much. Sure that that moves the needle enough for me to think that they're that much better because a call will return. Yeah, you know, it's funny the other night cold took minute nice play in a game against the Golden Knights game with six to one. I believe at the time he went any beat, you know, a minor league defenseman against their fourth or fifth goalie and the organization, and everybody was like, wow, the textile highs it. I mean, I have no idea what that is other than the fact that he's still could stand on skates and be as good as like really back in players in a game or themes getting blown out. I think that Cobo Chuck. He's got a three or deal. I think the first year was really cheap because there's a lot that I wonder about with him being at his age, thirty five. He's had some injuries. He said everybody says, and I've seen the photos that he's in really great shape, but you can be a great shape on your thirty five. Maybe it doesn't translate other nights tonight basis. They need him to come in and score their top line. You know, winterless left wing or last year had nine goals. So there if they, if he can come in and put up twenty five goals, maybe more that will be just an unbelievable pickup for the kings. I think by the third year that deal, I don't know if we're going to be if they're going to be happy with it, but I think they're looking at short term. Let's face it. COPA Dr Carter Dustin Brown. Do you do doubt? He just re up for the long-term Jonathan quick. These guys are in the window to have success and they're trying to have success. I think in these next you know year to three years with this group. So we will see if it pays off. I think if they could have got in on the mecca patch right there was some discussion about that. The draft didn't play out. I mean, that might have been a better fit for them younger player who's been playing over here in this league now, and it's up to speed with what's been going on, but I'll be curious that's for sure. I'll be curious to see how kobylt Chuck fits with the team, how we we plays with it. He works well co Petar and you know one thing about COPA chart as well at thirty one. He had maybe the best year that he's ever had last year. And I love Andrzej COPA, try. I think he's just a wonderful player. Terrific. Two hundred foot player. Does everything. Well can help you went but unfortunately, father time undefeated right. So came COPA. KTAR have the same kind of year this year. They had last year. I think if he can get close to that, that's a huge plus. I don't know if he'll ever have the kind of year that he had last year the the production ninety plus points for a guy who plays the complete two hundred foot game is a lot to ask any might have had more if you think about it, if he would have had that goals, boring wing on his side. Remember Jeff Carter was out for a large portion of the year, and we're gonna see how Jeff Carter place this year at thirty three. So there's a lot of questions for the LA kings, but they still have the high end guys that in the short term can make them dangerous team. Now when you take a look at the the central division, it's Winnipeg Nashville right now, those teams pretty much stayed Pat, but the big improver that Britney much remade their forwards. The Saint Louis blues, did the blues do enough to get. In that Nashville would have paid category? I really liked the blues team, but I'm just so scared of the goaltending j. count is already hurt, and he's got issuing a back bay was back bathrooms and training camp. So that's that's an issue. I believe that's the case. Chad Johnson is there as a guy that's down to run the league. And you know, I don't know if he's a guy that can play that really can carry the lion share of the of the games for you, but you know, I think that's still the Arab just, you know, John, you know, we've talked about this for for many years. I've just never been a big, Jake Allen fan. I put a couple of your whilst he seemed like he kind of turned it around and and maybe got over that hump. But then he kind of regrets again. So I, you know, he's twenty eight. He's not twenty four and we're, you know, I think maybe it is what it is with Jake Allen at this point of his career. So that's the biggest concern. I mean, the rest of roster. I like I like their defense is good enough with portraying jlo Perico. You know, Bobi is getting up there but still helpful. You know. A second pair, third pair guy, you'll Edmonton. It's been a pretty good player for them. You know, I, I really liked the additional Riley for me outside of Thompson. They didn't give up a ton to get him. I know there was a lot of assets but spoke to and Macklin were guys that really were. We're back in players there, and I think they were looking to open up space for young guys to kinda come in. They've got a lot of pretty good young talent within their organization guys like Robert Thomas Robbie fabrics coming back a little. He got a little dinged up again, they're looking to open space for some of those young guys. I you think about down the middle now when you have a while can play in the middle, they picked up Tyler Bosak who's really good third center. You know, they've got Schwartz's playing compla- the play, the wing, he can move to the middle of maybe they could move some of those other guys around Shannon's. Another guy plays can play the middle. I like their team, but Donny, I'm just really scared of their and that and that. And that could be something that takes them right out of the playoff, not forget about Stanley Cup on doctor take in a very tough division where. Where you know you think about, you know, Colorado, we've got a good young team on the way up Dallas chains coaches, and they've got a lot of high and weapons, and they've got his skin and who's a really high draft pick who's gonna come in. I think she's going to be a really good defense for the Dallas Stars. You already talking about Winnipeg in Nashville. Minnesota always seems to find a way to get one hundred points. I mean, it's not easy in the central division. So for the Saint Louis blues, they've got a hope that Jake gallon gets healthy and plays. Well for the Chad Johnson can show us something that he's really not shown us in his whole career that he can play really well over a long stretch. And I don't know if he's played behind this team, but that's the real worry for me. Then you got you said you mentioned our zone a little bit earlier vastly improved towards the end of the season, but you need to be able to do that for eighty two game schedule. Colorado had that great run last year. Can they duplicate that? I'm not really sure, and just waiting on Edmonton, right? The hair, the Edmonton Oilers team that I thought it was going to be good. Last year boy, they really got exposed. We talked about it on game. Misconduct, their wingers just seemed to not be able to keep up with their centers. And so do you see of the teams that I just mentioned, do you Colorado a playoff team? Edmonton was not last year Arizona, not last year. How much do you think they'll be any changes from year to year with those teams? Well, I think I think Colorado, I like Colorado to continue to move forward. I think there's a fast team. They got really good gold tiny. Now, when you think about the addition, you know they've made, you know they have, you know, they made that trade to get Phil rube our from the Washington Capitals, and then they also still have a gold center that has been a good one there, and it is in the final year of his contract and involve off. So he's got every incentive to play well this year. So that's what we talked about the blues and having goaltending struggles. What looks like Colorado's pretty solid and goal. I think the reason they went out and trying to make the play for hours because they had injuries last year and they got into the hamburglar was playing Andrew. By the time they got the right well does of injuries. So Eric Johnson, this back healthy. That's good. I'll be curious to see Samuel Gerard this year where they picked up, played half a season for them. They got him more than half from from Nashville. Good puck, moving defense when they've got other guys on the way and their group, they're going to be better down the road and the force they have the Ottawa Senators. I overall first round draft pick next year which may end up being the first overall pick and they couldn't get it on the on the use week stakes there. So I mean, I like the future a lot for the avalanche. I expect that you know they're going to be a playoff team, the the the the coyotes. I like what they've done in the off season. The biggest key. Again, you go back to Donna is always the goal tending when Rhonda was healthy at the end of the year, he played really well. They got gold sending out of, you know, out of the other, the kid they got from the LA kings. It's about serenity been with Minnesota Dorsey camper. They got good goaltending on the ham. So that's gonna be the keep like, you know, they've got a pretty experience defense with excellent lower goal ago d- the mirrors y'all Marson right on down the line. Chickens coming back from injury, good young player. Those young forward. They have really showed a lot of talents Keller was great. Last year they've added yell shown Yock. I'm kinda route route down. You have to play well and do well at the center position there. If they give them that full opportunity, they added Michael brand new Brin speed to the wing if another experienced guy. So a lot will depend. Goaltending is good. And those younger players can continue to move forward the coyotes. It'll be hard to play every night and that will make them a dangerous team. Let's go to the Eastern Conference real quick. You're EJ. And then you look at the teams that missed the playoffs last year. The only one that I look at that might be able to make the jump with some of the moves that they made would be buffalo. I'm not sure that the islanders the Rangers Carolina Detroit, Montreal. I, I don't see one of those teams making the jump. Now, do you think the sabers of those non playoff teams have the best shot to get in? No, I think the Florida Panthers those now. That's. Good point. Obviously, that's obvious when they came right down to the last day of the season to be able to get in. But but but of the teams that really were poor last year, the teams that were out of it pretty much as we got into into April latter stages of March, Florida, put them to the ciphers because I do think they are a playoff team this year is, is buffalo the top of your list or you'd have them also with everybody else's, not making it again. Well, I'll give you my quick beauties and I'll go to buffalo is that I just think of the team's last year that were in the play offs. I think the only change we're going to see is that the devils will be out in the Panthers being. I would have been in last year they had in the started bad. And if the devils didn't play just dog on the well down the stretch when he caves, which was lights out, good golf, gone for Florida, which hurt them. Yeah. I mean, now injuries always play a part in this, but let's say all things equal here on September twenty four, two thousand eighteen. I think you know. And again, it's always subject to change, but I think that the devils, I think there's going to be hard for devils to do exactly what they did last year. And I think the Florida Panthers, they just had deep arosh or you look at the team. I mean they're loaded with players. I mean there there were team that you know for those while you don't even wanna play him in the first round. Yeah, you're right because they got some horses. They're in Florida. If they could stay healthy and you know the question Mark for the Panthers is really going to be their goal tending. I mean, we keep going back to goals then, right? It's the so silly you know that you know it's always the case in hockey. It's it's, you know, it's one of those things that's always goaltending baseball. It's always pitching, and you know is Roberta Longo gonna be able to hold up over the course. Of the eighty two game schedule. He was dinged up. Bless your missed. A lot of time is you know, you know, behind him James rhyme, or is he going to be be able to come in and be a good player if they need him to be a good goal tender. So you know, I, I love the Panthers team. I mean, like you said with what? Some of those and they ended up my coffin. The share. Hopefully he can get put the off ice things you know behind him because that's a guy that can score from heck of worry. Helpful, helpful winger in a place where they have centers. I mean, think about this Lupu forward. I mean, Mark off Uber, no Hoffman tro check nukes data and off. I mean, that's that's six really talented forwards right there. They got Henry works from coming in. There's a really high end young rookie that can be a really top player for them. I mean, they're loaded throughout their group and undefended again. I mean, equa know, had the injury issue when he was punched by Domenico day. So hopefully not gonna have any after affects. He's that's concussion problems. But I mean, he's still thinking he's only twenty two. I mean that kid, Michael Matheson is an underrated defenseman real good player for them. You know the question again because back the golden. So I'll be curious to see our plays out, but to go back to buffalo, the asked me about, I think that the pieces are in place for the Buffalo Sabres to start moving forward to question will be, will the well the whole will the franchise stay moored? And by that, I mean, like we'll the owners kind of worry about owning and not worry about other things. We'll the manager, you know. Is he going to stay focused on the job at hand? You know is, is the coach going to, you know, in in how Phil Housley? It's still, how's it going to be a better coach this year. I never thought he did not have a lot of coaching experience, even the coach in a couple of places, but not really a head coach for any length anywhere, you know. So can he learn better from the stakes last year, Jack geiko? Can he be healthy but you know, certainly with when you have an Eichel and you have a Rosman Darlene, you have to you to pieces. I mean, we use a Stanley Cup champions over the years to have a number one center number one, and most of the time almost in every case Donnie. When you go through the history of this league, you have enough on center number one defense minister elite players, and they have two guys potentially. That can be really elite players in this league. So there will be interesting to watch. We'll see how car Hutton does it net. It looks like Linus ullmark to somebody they liked behind him. They're probably grooming him to come in behind Hutton. We'll see if the rest of the defense can kind of stay in place and he'd better this. Year, but they'll be an interesting team to watch for sure. And of course the so the only change you would have playoff wise, Florida replaces New Jersey. So we could have pretty much the same playoffs as we did last year. So the question is who's more apt to really take a run at Washington and Tampa throw them in the mix as well. And when there was when there was conversation that they were gonna get Carlson, I I started thinking about when Golden State got Durant in the NBA. I mean, you're talking about almost a super team here. So I, I still look at Tampa as the even the Washington won the Stanley Cup EJ am I still crazy to kind of look at Tampa's the team to beat in the east. I don't think you're crazy. I think a lot of teams look at the Tampa Bay. A lot of people look into the Tampa Bay Lightning really impressive. Why wouldn't you be? I mean, they've got those. They've got the pieces in place. I mean, they've they've got a really a bunch of really high end forwards up front led by Naqui to kucherov. I'll be very curious to see where Steven stamkos is at the season. He had a good regular season, but it really fell off in the playoffs. And I think he was dinged up. I was being that being at a devils lightning game late in the season, not in the playoffs, but late in the regular season, and I was sitting right behind the bench. So I had really a good idea that was going on, and he came back to the bench a couple of times and he was just really, you could see struggling and it showed in his play. And so I'll be curious to see what he does this year. That's an important piece. Obviously the Tampa Bay Lightning but hasn't been leaves the way on defense mcdonagh's their first full season fully integrated, circuit, Chevy, getting better Basle. That's great and goal. I'd still like to think they'd have. They could get a better number two. I'm not a big Louie Demane fan of the guy that would want you wanna plan thirty thirty games if need be or or. Vassilis he gets hurt, but I think that's an area of I. I would think you could do better there, but you know, this is a really talented roster, but that division, I mean, the Boston Bruins are really tough. You know, the the Toronto Maple Leafs we know what they've done in the off season about the Florida Panthers. I mean, those are clearly the best four teams in the Atlantic Division to me on paper. And you know, you could throw them up almost in any order depending upon how things go for them during the season. Yeah, that's definitely going to be a fun division to watch Tampa. And of course, Taveras in Toronto is to make them a lot of fun as well. What? What's your feeling now on the blue jackets? Okay. We've been waiting for this team to pop for a while, but they just can't seem to get out of the first round. Where do you think they fit with everything in the metropolitan division? Well, they're a good team that's for sure. And they've got some really talented players, but the biggest problem I think going forward going into the season is simply this. They've got a top forward. It was going into the final year of his contract. You know, much like the giant era situation last. Year that has has has vocal has been vocal about the idea that he really doesn't wanna make any decisions over forward as one every Sunday long-term deal, which which always, as I said, you lashing, we talked about Taveras. I mean, the fact that he hasn't signed tells you that he hasn't fine. I mean, that's all you know, it guy sign if they wanna stay somewhere. If they don't, they, they let it play out and it's, you know. So how is that going to work for Columbus is a your co- kicking line and going to get to a point some point during the season where he's gonna feel the need to trade our Chemi penins. I don't know if they get off to a good start. Everybody's happy there. You know what? Maybe they just ride it out and try to win the Stanley Cup with the team. They have. They have a damn good team. I mean, they have the same exact question goal with Sergei Broncos. Right here was contract. He's their guy. Do they feel like that you own this corpus Holloway's, right? They take the reins. I don't think so. So I mean the negative on on Brodsky's that in the last couple of, wow, you know you when you have a guy that high end, that's one visit trope easy. You just want him to be the guy to to. To to stand up and win. You know, find a way to make those saves when you games. Now it doesn't. You need help from your teammates. But I think in Columbus, if truth be told they probably they probably sitting there going by which we could just a little better. Just wish the, you know, if he could just find a way to be a little better in the postseason. Maybe we can get to that next level, but you know, Steph Jones coming back. Terrific. Trivia and really should have been north Toby finalist in my view last year I'll be curious, see what happens when and ski going into the final year of his entry level deal. And he's, they've been tearful women preseason because he's had kind of nagging shoulder injury for a couple of years now. And so that's a little bit worrisome. But boy, he's a high employment as well. This is a really talented team and a good a hard team to play against, but but Donny with the Ponente tuition and the Borowski situation, those are things that we're going to be cloud that kinda hang over Columbus, Ohio throughout the season unless seems also a great story. Let's get to the tweets. A lot of people want to tweet and I left. I left the. Rangers off here because we know we get a lot of range of tweets. Well, let me just disclaimer what I'm about to do before we get to the tweets. If you're gonna complain to me that your team hasn't talked about tweet us and we'll talk about him. All right. We try to get as much again, and a lot of ranger fans. A lot of local guys get involved because he, I are both in New York, especially me. This is a national podcast. We try to talk about everybody, but if you want your team to be talked about, you tweet himmy we'll talk about him. So I sent out the tweets every morning and owned a recording. So let's get to them. Rob asks the question which ranger prospect slash rookie. Do you think we'll have the biggest impact on the team this year? I like Anderson a lot. He's had a good preseason if I had to guess somebody I would say it'd be Anderson. Yeah. I mean, I, I like fantasy a lot really competitive kid, and I mean, so that's, that's a, that's a huge thing right off the bat is that you know that that makes him somebody that that stands out, you know. But I would say the two of them last year when I saw Filipino, I thought Filipino was was really good. Yeah. I mean, in in a short window now, you know, things were, you know, the wheels are off the bus at the end of last season, and you know, they were really just trying to play out the string at that point. And you know Anderson had kind of a long ear because it will juniors and he'd have been dinged up, and you know there was a lot of things going on with him so he looks good so far and in camp, we'll see. But I think those are the two guys kind of focus on. We'll see some of these other players that they've been able to acquire through transactions in, namely the Tampa baby. Oh, you know someone like read how at some point, Libor hijack. Hi. Can you guys step step up at some point where they're going to be in their developmental twenty, twenty years of age, but you know the way things go. Now we to the rebuilding, put those kind of guys in the lineup. So right, I've become I. I mean, I have to say he don't Anderson. I'd be with the guys to really watch. You know this year as far as the really young kids get an opportunity to play in New York. Michael wants to do you see this being a breakout season for possible Bouche Navid you seemed hamstrung by ABC's yo-yoing him in and out of the lineup for two seasons. Well, I mean, you gotta hope it is right. Boots never was. It was a high draft pick. He's come over. He's played Bolillo base and flashes of of really being a good player. He's twenty three. Now, I think that there's every reason to think that he's gonna get an opportunity to really be a big part of this team. I saw a nice school and one of the preseason games against the devils. So, yeah, I think you know whether or not he is going to be for me to say, well, he's going to break out this year. Could get hurt in the first game of the season who knows. Right. But I think that. He's a hydrophobic. He's an elite prospect. He's gonna get an opportunity to play and he's played some ready. So this would be an opportunity this you wanna see if you're a ranger fan. If your ranger management, you wanna see Pavel buchnevich take a big step up this year and the what you thought he was going to be when you draft. All right, how he wants to know what team is projected to struggle or had a rough season. Last year will surprise the league. This year. Buffalo coyotes islanders Rangers have sends connects. He believes it's going to be buffalo. Well, I think buffalo, like I said, it'll be interesting to watch. They've got the tenants in place to have really good longterm success. I think there's some questions there. I think that'd be more competitive. I just like you can look at it though, you know, in the Atlantic. Okay. Were they better than they better than Tampa? Knowing they better than Toronto? No. They've been to the Boston. No, they've been in Florida. Not not. Not really at this point. So you know. But I think at the year for the Buffalo Sabres and I say this, a lot of defining you're done, it's just for the IRS for Phil Housley in that group for the players for for everybody involved, put your head down, go to war, be there on night. One just played two games as best. You can play. 'em try to stay healthy if you can. And then at the end of the game, you pick your head up and you see where you are, and if you know what, if you find yourself in the playoffs. That's wonderful. If you find yourself making a huge step forward, all of a sudden you've you've progress throughout the season where Jack gyco has taken a really as rightful place among the very best players in hockey, and he's been healthy all year. If Ross Mus Dolly and they've had a really good rookie season is has really made that transition. And that their goaltending has been good and some of their other young players have stepped forward. Now all of a sudden you really happy. So if you finished fifth in the Atlantic Division, if the sabres and you had to say, have ninety points this year, that's a rate season, but the only way you get there is one shift at a time. One one game when period when the time for teams like the Buffalo Sabres and that's what it is. So we'll see. It's been. It's been an organization where that boat has been rocking for a long time. They're this steady the boat out focused on the task at hand and play hockey and just progress. That's the biggest thing from Buffalo Sabres the sheer. So we'll see. We'll see how it plays out, but I just think they're in tough in that division with four teams to me or better than I got a couple of minutes left one squeeze in a couple of more tweets, Chris resident, flyer, fences, a lion annoy verte, ready injured, Elliott stole recovering from injuries as a possible. Hextall may call up Carter Hutton at some point. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think I think it's possible. I think I think Ron Hextall has been very careful with these young players and that's and I think that's been awesome because in a place like Philadelphia where you know, we all know they haven't ones, and so you know the broad street bully, Erin, seventy five, and they've been to the finals a number of percents than they haven't been able to win. And there's a real desire to win. Ron has done a nice job of stockpiling from talented young players. There they have some experience veterans have been very, very good. Obviously, closure was was fabulous. Last year for check was terrific. Van Rie was like they bring him in as a free agent originally flyer. Now, backing Philadelphia Torri had a kind of a breakout offensive season. We gotta see what's going to happen. Wayne Simmons the final year of his deal. You know, Travis connect me really step forward last year. You know, see what happens with Nolan Patrick into your to, you know, on defense with the, you know, Ivan pro Ross is one of the best defenceman in hockey ready. I mean, this guy. When you've been watching plays dynamic and fun to watch gossip. Spreads are great, offensive defenseman. They've got some other young guys coming, and again, we get back to the goal setting and I think Ron's plan is it just a Tri fold with Elliot and noisier you know, and by another year or two for Carter heart. But that said, I think that, you know, sometimes guys come in at a younger age and sometimes opportunity becomes available and they come in and they grabbed things and they take. So we will see if that opportunity is going to be is gonna come through either injury or just his play at some point. But the history there is that Ron Hextall patient and I'll say one other thing because we told you, we started this off talking about these kids in jersey, playing hockey, our buddy that he stole ours is jersey boy, goaltender big goaltender a lot of potential there. He was hurt most of last year when he would have had an opportunity to maybe step up. I heard these by Jerry very well on training camp so far. So you know, maybe there's an opportunity France, and he stole ours either in Philly or somewhere else down the. But you know, I think that Ron again, I'll fly or fan just look at the, you know, look at the president, Ron Hextall has been patient, and so until he differs from that and goes away from that, I'd have to say that they're likely going to have heart-to-heart have another year or two development, but you never know. And corny says, been so busy today work. I probably missed the deadline. Oh, well, welcome back is we'll Courtney guess what you didn't got in just under the wire. So we're able to say Hello to you and welcome back. All right. Got a runny, Jay. Thank you so much for this. A really appreciate it. I love to get back into the fold again, and I think we'll do another one on Monday before the season starts. So if you're available October first, let's do this again. I'll make time for you done. You know that. All right, buddy. I'll talk to you next week. All right. All right. That's the great EJ Radic he could see him on the NHL network Monday through Friday and NHL now from four to six PM eastern time. So as I told you will be back again on Monday, October first, the season, we'll get started late around that week. And then once the season kicks off for real on October, third, then we'll be doing it. Every single day like we normally do during the course of the season, but who wanted to put something up there kind of get into a bit of a preview and see where everybody kind of lies. You wanna tweet me. He can do it all day. Long at Don Greco hashtag game is conduct. Lance your questions, and we'll get more indepth with our predictions coming up on Monday, October first. So enjoy the week. We'll talk to you again. This was the Monday edition, September twenty fourth edition of game has conduct. Listening to gain misconduct five Cavs looking for more dumb McGregor. Hear him on the Michael Kay show weekdays from three to seven. PM on ninety eight point, seven ESPN in New York and worldwide on the ESPN app. I don't forget to subscribe to the game misconduct podcast on the ESPN app, Google play music, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Turmoil at Jeopardy!

"My nephew curse words in this one. Just a warning with male chimp. You get more than a. You are al. You get an all in one marketing platform to help drive sales with things. Like data driven recommendations and powerful automation tools get started today and mail chimp dot com slash smart marketing mail chimp built for growing businesses. Stephan fasten this a slave sports. Podcast hang up and listen for the week of august. Twenty third two thousand twenty one on this week's show. It's a guest fast track and field writer joe. Joe gradual joins us to discuss chakari richardson's boastful and then bundled return to the hundred meter dash over the weekend spoiler alert. She finished dead last. We'll breakdown drain on. Green's revealing interview with kevin durant and what it says about. Sports and media with former player turned media member rob benson and finally big plan. Mcneil of the ringer fills us in on her blockbuster reporting about the offensive comments that brought down the guy who was supposed to replace alex trebek's as the host of jeopardy. Josh levin is off this week but go listen to his podcast series one year. One thousand nine hundred seventy seven. I'm the author of the book. Word freak a few seconds of panic and wild and outside. I'm in washington. Dc across the country in palo alto california. It's slate staff writer and slow-burn seasons three and upcoming season six host and future milk crate challenge. Champion joel anderson. What's up joel goodman. How you doing this morning. Don't do that. No crate challenge man. We'll see and also you're you're an athlete. You maybe give it a shot. There's no way. I saw one. Dick talk of dude fallen on his back and landing on those plastic crates. There's no way in hell. You would get me to do that. You just saw one. I needed to women at high heels conquer then they'll create mountain. Look stuff to be honest. I saw rolla blunt at the top of the mountain of crates. And that's what made me think if that guy could do it. I think i could do it all right. Let's get to the show. Actually let's get to the show joel. You didn't think we were going to let you get away without talking about what happened in that trivia tournament on bomani jones podcast you. Oh yeah well. I mean i lost obviously but again as i mentioned at the time i mean. Two of the questions were about baseball. One about hockey is not ready. Not prepared for this so you get the first question. It's a baseball question. Congratulations who made the over. The head basket catch in the nineteen fifty four world series. That's kind of a. Gimme willie mays and then this happened the joel single game. Nba record for three point. Field goal. carolers hold on. okay. I it's one of i'm just gonna give what i think is the wrong answer but no actually actually you asking. Are you telling lay tops ugly to me first of all this is. I've been ambushed got into. This was going to happen. But i knew it was either stuff for clay and i was like it. Seems obvious that it's clay. And i thought it was counterintuitive. I was like okay. It was like one those deals. Do you remember hearing about how the celtics like kevin mchale set the franchise record for scoring in a game in the next game. Larry bird came back and set the record the next game. I thought that was what happened with. Claydon stuff and i got confused all here here. Joe is excuses because the klay answer or not answer was bad enough. The next question. What's the distance between the basis on a standard professional baseball field. Okay again culturally biased. Okay let me just say it's got to be. let me. just get a lifeline. Seventy five feet nine thousand feet. Thirty yard or fifteen yards the first one little confused at how this year it's multiple choice were added but seventy five feet thirty yards or fifteen yards seventy five. You really could have gotten this one right. We had to write answers in their dancers or thirty. Thirty nine hundred. I'm really followed here. You know what i thought. I'll know we'll is ninety. Four feet and i was like wait us. Missile tweet home plate at first base. All you got thirty seconds now to explain what i would say is a i was thinking okay. A basketball court is ninety. Four feet surely the distance between basis. Is it thousand feet. That that's what i was thinking the whole time. I was like know baseball players. Run that far. They don't look like that. Run that far. So i was just confusing. I haven't i haven't been on a baseball field and a number of years so again. I think it was culturally biased. Also howard my opponent howard brian. Yeah who's great. But he got two questions about boston. Related themes back to back and then he got a hockey question which is right up his alley so just kind of feel like. I got a little bit cheated. But that's fine. I mean th th they can have their ratings bussed in to find out what they want. But i feel like gave gabe who is the producer of bomani show. They were working against me now. Think oh man conspiracy theories all right. We've heard enough joel. Let's get to the show if you tuned into the prefontaine classic this weekend hoping to see the triumphant return of new american. Sprinting sensation should carry richardson. You're out of luck there. No triumph but if you tuned in hoping for good show and maybe little drama then you got exactly what you were looking for. This was supposed to have been the long-awaited showdown between the jamaican sprinters. Who swept the one hundred feet of metal stand in tokyo in richardson. Who wanted one hundred the us olympic trials but missed the games because she later tested positive for marijuana. Instead on saturday. The jamaicans once again ran away from the field and we're led by olympic gold medalists. Elaine thompson hera who ran ten point. Four seconds for the second fastest time in women's history. Meanwhile richardson lost one. Hundred for only the second time all year finishing dead last. Today we're joined by joe grechko who has covered track for more than a decade of places like espn plus flow trick in mouth split in. Who was a track and cross country runner tulane university. Joe joe is currently the managing editor of the strikes texas and app and website covering soccer at all levels in the lone star state. Joe joe thanks for joining us. Thanks so much for having me so look. You saw me on saturday. What in the hell do you think happened to chicanery. Oh my god. I don't think i'm still not over it now. That we've had two days to process it. It kind of makes sense you know. She has had a whirlwind month after the olympic trials and it would be a really tall order for her to go up against these women not only the top three women at the olympics this year but stacked up against the best sprinters of all time. Elaine thompson harrow. He mentioned and schilling in frigid price are two of the best sprinters ever but it seems like all of the distractions around her marijuana suspension. Took away a little bit from focus on training. I'm going to on the other hand. This and say that the jamaicans were attempting to peak at the olympics. Clearly olympics of the most important meet on the calendar this year and richardson after her suspension. Made it clear that she had six weeks to train and prepare for this race. This meat and oregon So if anybody should have been in peak form. It should've been jakarta richardson. I mean think she had all the time in the world didn't have to travel to tokyo. Didn't have to deal with all the cova regulations that those athletes had to go through indefinitely. A lot of people who went to tokyo came back and then came to eugene. A lot of athletes talked about how difficult and fatiguing that travel was. So i do think that's a good point. It does seem like her. Newfound mainstream fame has given her a lot of different opportunities in the last six weeks that she wasn't dealing with you know trying to be an kanye west music video. Doing an ad for like new headphones. She's just popped off all these different things i think. She flew straight from the olympic trials to like beyond the red carpet. At the spca which you know all of that kind of adds up over time and definitely must have had a bit of an impact on like her training so she got up poorly and i thought that at around twenty meters. She realized she couldn't win. Do you do you think that as well. Because i haven't heard anybody say that but to me it just looked like i'm already behind and i'm not going to be able to catch up. Did you feel that way to you. Yeah she traditionally doesn't have the best start in the world. She just has great acceleration through the race but we didn't see that she was kind of you know even with the pack didn't get out super well and yeah about midway through she. Just kinda was moving backwards. Just didn't have it and it did feel like you know. Maybe maybe it's a mental thing where she realized she wasn't going to win or going to be in that top three spot even figured. And i don't want to put words in her mouth. 'cause i'm you know i don't need her coming after me on twitter but seem like she. Yeah she gave up a little bet. She finished six tenths of a second behind thompson. Hurrah which is in hundred you know terms an eternity and you watch the race and it is kind of shocking. And i think julia right. It felt like something went wrong and she just realize i'm not coming close here but the thing that in this. She's a complex personality. We need to talk about her reaction to failure here. Maybe this is the time to do it when she came off the tracks. She didn't come off the track. Saying i had a bad race. I gotta get back in training. She came off the track blowing fire. Let's listen to her interview with nbc. A soon as the race ended boring having a month off of. I'm not saying i'm not done. You can't be you want to want 'cause i'm here to stay. I'm not done. I'm not running in this game ever. Nobody else from congratulations congratulations. And he does or not the words of a woman who was feeling deflated or contrite. Or maybe there's an insecurity coming out there for all of the hype over the last two months surrounding her. She might have been a little embarrassed. Yeah i mean that's that that pure post race failure. That's a that's a tough interview to do right like you don't have a minute decompress. Get your feelings together. That's that's just pure after race feeling. Because i actually just watched her mic zone interview right before this where she had calmed down a little bit and she actually did Chakari apology where are you. She said you know that was that was my raw feelings after that and you know i respect the woman who won. Although i do think it's funny. She still doesn't mention anybody else's name who and i'm not sure if you guys saw. I mean these clips are like making the rounds. Now but the shelling infringer price like walks right behind her. Giving that interview gives little side. I was so funny and then today should carry actually made that her profile picture on twitter so i think yeah i mean this. This posters interview was not a good look for her. That definitely doesn't feel very sportsman. Like but i think it's all part of her persona to right. She's kind of created this There's just no other woman in the sport who is like raw and aggressive with her emotions and the way she talks about the sport and what it means to her She's very unique. You know it's interesting. You mentioned that she didn't. She doesn't say the names of the other runners because i think one of the more unfortunate developments from saturday was that elaine thompson harass porn performs almost sort of overlooked right because as we mentioned at the top. She ran the second fastest time in women's history and to your point. Jj like she's great. I mean she won golds in rio and tokyo ran the second fastest times and the history of the hundred and two hundred and could theoretically do it again in paris when she'll be only thirty three years old. So can you put into context for us like how dominant elaine thompson horizon. Because like that that that performance sort of seemed to be the pinnacle of everything she'd been building toward in the last few years. Oh yeah i mean no one else has ever run under ten six except for florence scripted griffith. Joyner who's the world record holder been actually did a little bit of research on her one hundred meter world record which is ten forty nine and i. There's some a lot of people in track world believed that that's actually not a wind-legal world record because there was like a faulty wind reading that day there's some track and field statisticians who work with like road. Athletics don't even count it in their record bookkeeping so it is something that is a controversial in the sport whether ten forty nine is real or not and if you don't count that time flow joe's second-fastest time was ten sixty one which elaine ran at the olympics so now to come out run ten fifty four. Doesn't it time we've ever seen except for one time. One thousand nine hundred eighty eight which may have been really dated so kerry competing against. I would say the greatest sprinter all time that you would see at half way. Oh wow she's got a few stre- she's not used to somebody beating her by that much. So but yeah. I mean elaine. It's sort of too bad that they didn't interview her on camera right away after that race and instead picks the girl and got last obviously is not happy with her performance. But elaine should really get her flowers this year because you could argue that. She's the fastest woman of all time. And it does have to be a little bit jamaican sprinters that there is all this attention on chakari and look. She has milking this and becoming a celebrity and she's drawing attention to to track and she is compelling to watch and marketers have certainly are attracted to her right before the race. Nbc in split split-screen aired her latest nike ad in which she says. I've been waiting waiting to show you that. I'm more than a news headline waiting to show you all why i'm that girl. Do you think that the performance here diminishes that at all or do you think that you know. This is america man. The media loves out there athletes and celebrities and carry. Richardson is just getting warmed up. Yeah i think it really depends what she's able to do in her last few races of the season After this weekend watching that nike video feels a little like this is a little. You know she couldn't back it up if you have a lot of talk. It's great but you have to back it up. So i think if she's able to come out these last couple of races over in europe the other diamond league races and she's able to run some more like ten eight and seven again. Maybe beat the jamaicans. If i mean. I don't know if anyone's beating elaine this year but it's actually be competitive in race Not get last. I think that's what she has to do she. She kinda has hill to climb right now to prove herself. That's the point that like she's still has a long way to go. She's really young like this is her first international competitive year right like this is not. It's not like she. She's got a huge resume here at a lengthy resume where she's been doing this for three or four years and has been through this before and all seemed to kind of come together in summer. We maybe it's not you know. This is maybe not quite fair to her that she's young she hasn't dealt with this. This sort of defeat the sort of attention and like you know she can take this and learn from it. But i i kinda wanted to pivot to and i want to see if you agree with me. Joe about who the best american women's track athlete is and will be for the next decade a thing mo Who won the gold medal in tokyo. Eight hundred and then on saturday rent. Her personal best in that race wasn't even pushed. Even though the basically the entire competitive field from tokyo was there. But do you agree with me. Oh yeah she's the future of the sport. She's just incredible. I think to have that much expectation and pressure on her nineteen years old and actually live up to it is is so hard to do and just a testament to how mature of an athlete. She is and just how much of it superstar. She is really. Because there's always kind of these young venoms who come in and there's a lot of hype and once you've reached that like olympic trial stage. I think it gets harder to live up to the pressure especially after having a long college season but she's incredible the other thing about her. I think is great. I feel like she's the perfect age for the next like two olympic cycles. Because she's only nineteen right now. So perez twenty twenty four and Los angeles she is going to be in her peak joel. These are sort of different approaches to track. But we're talking about track and sakari. Richardson is is sort of feeding. That i mean it does not hurt. When there's an athlete that people are paying attention to. Who's putting up videos lipson nikki. Montage saying it's gametime bitches. I mean that's you know way for the sport and it sort of lifts all boats. I think. I don't think there's any question that you carry is good for track and field. there's not been that many people that can draw attention outside of the small cohort of trek enthusiasts. Like joe myself right so that has even become sort of this pop. Culture figure is a testament to how great she is and how compelling she's a personality and the things that we see in her the things that people say. Oh we need to san down these edges. Or whatever i think a lot of that is youth and inexperience in trauma like she had a really difficult year but like anybody that would count her out over. What happened on saturday. I mean that would just be silly like she just got her. Come up by. As joe said ito two of the greatest female sprinters in human history. Right so i think that's the thing that americans didn't understand what they didn't know how good the jamaicans were and you got a sense. How good they were on saturday and that may have happened in the olympics even if she had gone right on that been suspended in the first place so yeah we were talking about this like it almost better for the sha carey brand every all the craziness that happened because it very very much was likely she'd go to tokyo and you know at that point you know you can be lucky to make the final and not necessarily metal against that field because it was a really tough field so now she kind of has this big story line following her and with the age that she has right now you know. There's it's the perfect time to be in in top form as an athlete because there's world championships the next two years. Then there's another olympics and she's going to be in her prime for the next two olympics cycles whereas shelly. Ann is like thirty three years. Old elaine's thirty one so they're not going to be here for all security career. Joe gretel striker texas so lane trek great. Thank you so much for joining us today. And we'll have to have you back on winds carry inevitably makes headlines again. Thanks so much guys and in the next segment. We're gonna talk about that interview between draymond. Green and kevin durant former basketball player and current artists and columnist rod. Benson hang up and listen is brought to you by progressive. What's one thing you'd purchase with a little extra savings awaited blanket smart speaker that new self-care trend you keep hearing about well. Progressive wants to make sure you're getting what you want by helping you save money on car insurance drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars. 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Close to a thrilling run when the warriors won seventy four percents of their games. In two or three championships. The third one slipping from their grasp when durant went down with injury the next off season durant left the bay for brooklyn to start his own super team with kyrie irving and then later james harden but one of the nba's greatest mysteries is why the warriors dynasty came apart and how it came apart so quickly last week. The bleacher report published a fascinating interview between durant and his former teammate. Draymond green to discuss publicly for the first time. Some of the reasons that pairing lasted only three years. Do you have any regrets about that. Knowing debt we probably would have won five championships now. I don't have any regrets offer like we did exactly what we were supposed to do. And i wish you have three peter because that's where and we were like right there But i don't have a new aggressive. Because i felt like if we just stay healthy the nets we had a great chance to finish into so I mean being hurt for that year really changed my perspective on everything. I was doing everything i did before i looked at that time would plan with. The warriors is so special to me but it was time to move on so to discuss that interview and more joined by rod benson former college start cal berkeley and professional basketball player who today as an artist analysts for the pac twelve network and a contributor to sf gate rod. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me appreciate it right last week. You wrote a column for sf gate saying that the degreen durant interview might herald a new future sports media. What did you see that interview. That made you feel that way. Yeah i mean it was just immediately compelling and i think you know what i kinda realizes that the swell of attention it got from casual and more advanced fans you know. They didn't care that it wasn't inaccurate. What they were talking about they just it was just still compelling and i think that sports media for a long time is really wanted to be accurate and get the scoop and get these things that may be true but aren't more compelling than just watching two guys talk and i think that's exactly right rod. What stands out in. That interview is the level of candor. But i think you also have to start the fact that dray and k. d. are deeply introspective and fought for what they say regardless of platform is almost always worth hearing and they're willing to share their inner emotions which not all athletes are. That's partly because they're stars and they've got agency you wrote in that. Sf gate column. They are above consequences and that means they have total control. So this quality of conversation isn't always. I think replicable not every player as interesting things to say and not every player feels comfortable saying though i actually disagree i think you know having been in locker rooms over and over again. There's no more interesting conversation than between the guys in that room because a lot know part of making it to that level in each level gone up you see more of this is having personality that can handle everything that comes with it so your most rose. I've been in some of the funniest. Most interesting conversation happens there. And i think that the more you know especially younger guys say more and more like anthony edwards who people just love to hear talk and because he's just not afraid to be himself like players. I used to play with to being. Don't you think though that like from your piece you said it was an interesting interview not a well done interview and we know that that's besides the point right. It doesn't matter if it was well done as you mentioned. But i mean there are a lot of athletes have podcast and are attempting to tell their own story. They don't make nearly the waves that this stuff does. Do you really think that it could. I mean i guess. I mean you. You've mentioned it in the locker room. Dudes a compelling but like do you really think that you know even there's a market for so many you know i guess if i just said if jeff green started a podcast you let you think there's a market for the jeff green podcast. I would say that you know why this one was particularly compelling is just a level of stardom that these players have i think if you know jeff green won the nba title this year and hit the game winner to do so yes people would want and part of it is also that the warriors no dynasty came to an end in such a way that i think just people wanna know more about that but i would. I would positive. There's so many different versions. That like i would love to hear like pat. Beverley interview devon booker right. Two guys you wouldn't put the top of the list but as they were getting into it in last year's playoffs wouldn't it be exciting. The like abc pat beverley devon booker. Like how did it feel when i said this to you. Have him give a real answer right and this goes to an. I didn't mean to imply that athletes don't interesting things to say. I mean i wangled my way into an nfl locker room as a player for an entire training camp and then wrote a book about it and the most interesting players and the guys that focused on were not the stars. They were the players who trusted me. Who's trust i was able to gain who opened up to me so the value proposition to me has always been not who on last night's game or who's starting who's not but the value proposition is understanding who athletes are how they do it and what they think and feel and you're right. The middleman doesn't always allow room for athletes to express. That is that right. And i think what you're saying is that we were able to see more of that when you were playing than you were playing. That's exactly what i'm saying. And what i mentioned in my article said you know. I have consequences for this but i did it anyway. And as one of the first people to do it yet. People were compelled what i had to say just because it was different and literally on and i write about my space messages. I was getting a write about one went to indy. How like great steak and shake was never had it. You know things like that where you know just because it was like different people were like man like we want more of this and i wasn't anywhere near the top of any sort of food chain. It just was a regular person's life as an but over the course of the years answers to how you deal with the media has changed. Why is dad. Is that just who you grew into that. Because of the way they act with search word that i felt like the media knew more than me i almost had them on a pedestal of like they got more history knowledge of the game. They more experienced than me in this area an nba. So once i started to get more experienced and realize like oh not they can never be what i am. You know what. I know or understand the way i understand it. Some questions in the seem so intelligent me anymore. People wanted to prayed anymore than. I like or hate me more than i like. Make a big deal out of so much shit. I'm just like you know. This game is simple to me so some of the stuff to try some really doesn't move me to wear us to i. R- asiya shaking their. What did she talk first of all. What did you think of him saying that. And i just even taking it back to your own experience. You think that that's a commonly. Held belief are feeling in locker rooms. Yeah there's a lot to unpack from what he said there. I would say from a baseline perspective. Yeah i think a lot of people agree with that. I think especially. I did like how he says that coming up. He just assumed that. These people deserve respect because i think every athlete feels that way. And that's why we tend to be candidates. Younger athletes tell. And i wrote an article like we end up burned at some point for saying something because again when a when a journalist is writing article usually the more compelling thing is negative because we already assumed the greatness of the athletes I do think it's interesting though that he also doesn't say like he didn't just stop answering questions a certain way. He's like known for being quite angry at being asked these questions so again like it kind of goes back to the idea that he's sharing information which is great in its compelling to hear like wow this is like an evolution of dealing with media and it's also like but because of media members not there were no one's asking follow up question like anything from the victory machine is any of extra because if it is it's more than just while you outgrew the media it's like you have a real anger towards being portrayed anyway that's not exactly the way you lie right so there's this there's this push poll right you want as you write in your piece you want good reporters who care about getting at the truth and you said about this interview. I wanted someone to really get to the bottom of things and asked durant why he and green fought in the first place. I wanted someone to ask. What steph curry was doing during this whole ordeal. So i do. You feel like there's all place for everybody here and it's just that now we have these great athletes know how to harness the media because look draymond green and kevin durant are really really good at this. And let's not kid ourselves like drain knew how to give some broccoli here. Headlines steve kerr. And bob myers the gm. The warriors fucked up how they handled the blow up between dream on and durant but at the same time that allowed them to get to the sort of deeper place. So how do you envision this going forward. The sort of balance between what the traditional media does well and what athletes are recognizing they have the platform and ability to do. Yeah i mean. I guess what i really got to that. I don't know if it matters right. Like i wanted all these questions answered but i guess who cares still watched it a still interested. We're still talking about right like the last dance questions about the last dance like the flu game really like the guy just brought him a pizza like we all want the most watched or documentary of all time because again. We're hearing this person's perspective so as long as we are getting at what people feel is their best version even if it's you don't cognitive dissonance in every direction then it doesn't matter this is what will get in. The journalists will still do their more deep dive stuff in some of that'll be compelling to. We'll just have both and stuff. And i thought that was. This is an interesting conversation. Have only a couple of months. After we had sam anderson on the did that great profile of katie for the new york times mag. I think that kind of goes speaks to the larger point. Here is that there's room for everybody and kevin durant. He was very interested in sanderson's questions and he seemed to take them as seriously as drama. But this is all about trust. Isn't it rod like if you know you told a story about how when you are an undergraduate and you gave a candid interview and it ended up. Just being sort of bulletin board bullshit and k. d. realized that he was dealing with a reporter who was smart. Who was asked him interesting questions and it gave him a opportunity to have interesting conversation for a few hours and ultimately to me. That's always what it comes down to and it's hard for. I think young athletes especially to know whom to trust or how to gain that trust and and some reporters doesn't really shitty it at understanding that athletes are people to now. Yeah i think. I mean trust is one version and i think the other version is consequences once again because you know whether i trusted that guy in college or not which i did trust them. Read the time you know. There were consequences to what i said and it. If in my opinion if a reporter is only seeking the things that will have negative consequences for the athletes. Then of course they're never gonna be trusted and they're never going to get the kind of access up. They're looking for but and i know so. Many athletes feel that way. I went to school. Marshawn lynch there wasn't a person with a bigger personality. Who was more candid than him. And then he's in the nfl. It's just here so i don't get find. There's a reason for that. He put up a wall because he's like i'm tired of getting burned. I want to ask all about this in terms of like just the the news within the the interview for a second. If that's okay. 'cause i'm not surprised. That drama didn't seem to take a lot of responsibility for funding k. d. a. creating the circumstances that led to the blow up of the team. But we're you surprised that sorta dream is like. I'm i'm going to laugh in your face and you guys are gonna fuck this up. Pose a maybe not. I don't know man. I we're gonna what i'm going to say is going to sound a little hateful but every locker room. I've been that had someone like that. I hated them. That guy i hated the coaches always like bend over backwards for that guy. Like i honestly believe that like again. They didn't dig deeper. But if i was k d. And i saw that. The team like still wanted to keep this guy around. I'd be like okay. You major point discipline him for one game for all if you think that that blow up that we saw publicly is the only thing that dray mongering doesn't bat shit crazy huron meshes with if that's public. Private stuff is insane. And i hate playing with that guy. Don't like i bet that's literally katie's like like thank y'all cater to this at all. I don't wanna do this. And he left. I mean k d did say later and this was i thought iliad good question you know draymond sort of says like he goes through sort of backgrounds of sort of everybody that that katy played with whether it was russell westbrook or james harden or kai read or draymond and says that we all have chips on our shoulders and sometimes we all go too far and durant. I says you always went too far. But then he agrees and this was sort of really interesting to hear how these guys sort of come to appreciate and understand each other. When i'm sure in the moment like you're describing it's frustrating to deal with that guy. Yeah i think it was a sign of an older player to have that perspective. Katie has you know. I matured into that too and my career where it's like when you're younger. You just kinda like this guy sucks. I hate him like. I don't wanna play this game when you're older especially when you're older than the guy you know you start to be like okay. Get why you're the way you are. And i understand that like it's hard to carve out space in this in the world in general but in a locker room in a to get you imagine you're if you're carmelo drafted to the if he had gone to the pistons that of the nuggets he be the fifth option instead of being on some team. Raise the first option. How does he carve out space. Why joma gloria. This is true every time he used to grab a rebound your mind before it went up you. It's hard to get these things so you don't get as upset when you see someone acting out. But i do think that himself dream on. You're the worst of the worst means. It might be the worst in the league extract lightly it's shows and so i thought an interesting moment and i don't know if you it. It's the moment that they highlighted when they promoted the interview. But i thought it was interesting in the k. D. agreed with draymond. That steve kerr and bob myers were to blame for the rift into the locker room. But i'm not sure how was their fault. Because i felt like they tried to apologize. Because like katie is important. We don't want him to leave apologize and then he you know he headed to the way he handled it. But then they said steve kerr. Bob mars to blame. I just. i didn't see that. Did you all feel that too. Because i just i didn't. I didn't get where stephen bob myers. Were to blame for this. I can understand each player believing that those people were to blame. And but i also think again without any follow question that was for different reasons. The drones being dream on. He's like how dare you reprimand me like i. I run the ship and katie's like all you're gonna do suspend like get him outta here. Nobody likes this guy. I guarantee i sincerely guarantee that. There is some other level where the he didn't think. Just the spending on for a game was a meaningful action. You want a drain on. The fundamentally changed his action as me reading into it. But if those two people aren't gonna put any pressure and they just let one man run the whole show with just above real reproach then yeah i imagine frustrating. When you're just way also way better at basketball. In this i like. Why are we doing it and we won't right. I mean there's no. There's no reason for them to talk about public rod benson. Sf gate columnist. Analysts were pac twelve network professional artist. Thank you so much joining us today. That to have you on. Thanks so much. For having great discussion rod is going to stick around and talk to us on our bonus segment for weight loss members and coming up next our interview with claire. Maclear of the ringer about jeopardy. This episode of hang up. Listen is brought to you by bush's beans glorious summer is upon us and that means flops. Sunglasses short shorts and summertime fun. No summer meal is really complete without the classic taste of bush's baked beans there. 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George stephanopoulos and anderson cooper however jeopardy's executive producer. Mike richards because well no one knew who he was. But after a month long bake off involving fill-ins from aaron rodgers. Dr oz. Richardson who was part of the group conducting the search was announced as the new daily host of the show that lasted until last week. When the ringer dropped a blockbuster story by clermont near the detailed not only how richards pretty much stack the deck in his favor but also revealed a history of offensive remarks. He made on a podcast a few years ago. Claire mcnair joins us now in addition to owning the jeopardy. Beat she is the author of answers in the form of questions a definitive history and insiders guide to jeopardy which was published last year. Clare congrats on your work. And thanks for coming on the show. Hey thanks for having me. The whole saga is remarkable. I for the public attention that it created around a game show and then for your unmasking of mike richards as an entitled doofus before we get into how you unearth the incriminating audio. And what richard said. Tell us who this guy is and how. He wangled his way into being named to succeed. Alex trebek's yes. So richards is somebody who even before he came to jeopardy and wheel of fortune was was pretty well known in the kind of game show universe so he's forty six and hasn't working in tv basically his entire adult life and has hosted some reality shows. He hosted a couple short. Lived game shows on on game show network and And he's also a lot of behind the scenes stuff so a lot of production stuff and his last job before he came over to sony. Which is the parent studio of jeopardy Was he was the executive producer of the prices. Right and of let's make a deal. Which kind of helped revive. So he's done these very very big shows but from talking to people who've worked with them over the years and we can get into all this you know. It was made very clear apparently to most of his colleagues employees that he really wanted to be in front of the camera as well so he was hired by sony to an overall deal in two thousand nineteen and then he became the executive producer of jeopardy and wheel of fortune because our sister shows and kind of share a lot of their production in twenty twenty so he a had. Just become the executive producer. Winter passed away and then of course. This guest host process kicked off. So you know. I think he was well. Known amongst sort of wonky gameshow types. But he he. Obviously i was was by far the least well-known of any the guest host this season so clearly. Obviously you've been tracking. You know who's going to succeed. Alex trebek's four while and you'd written about it up until last week and i'm just trying to get a sense for winded. This wouldn't when did these podcast come on your radar. Because i'm assuming you were preparing to write a story about the new guy and everything that went along with that and then it's like this very random podcast only had forty one episodes from seven years ago. Pops up jeff. Probst had daytime talk show which i was cheering for because i i like the average white guy host. I cheer for him to succeed. Because i feel like through his success. I could have some success. So how did i get on your radar. Yeah i would love to say. I have some mysterious shadowy source in there but unfortunately it's just i just. I just googled it to death. So i yes i mean. It's exactly what you just said. I was working on a story about the new guy. Basically like i had done. I've done a lot of coverage over this. Last year of the guest host rotation interviewed a bunch of the guest host interviewed. Mike a couple of times Just kind of about the inner workings of jeopardy and what were doing this season. And of course i was covering the You know the search for a new permanent host so Once variety broke that the that he was in advanced negotiations for the job and then about a week later sony officially announced him as the host of jeopardy and so yes i was just kind of working on a deep dive and i was really interested in sort of what i was just talking about his early television career and this kind of previously stated desire to also be a host. So it was through that that i just started looking into these previous projects. He was a part of literally on his jeopardy dotcom official bio though he also talked about it and a lot of other interviews it mentions that he hosted and created this comedy news show when he was a student at pepperdine called the random shows. This was in the ninety. So i i would. I would like to see that. That's his first time in front of a camera. And i couldn't find that because it's from the nineties so is not easily accessible but this podcast and he hosted the prices is right Had the same name. So i found that and i started listening and it became very apparent very quickly that there was a lot there. I don't want to make this a political show. Because here's the thing with. Beth is that. I know that you're hardworking. And i know that you're out there trying to get stuff going. The dangerous side about the crack just took Is that not everyone like you. Ca- yeah But everyone can collect unemployment which is why we have so many people on unemployment right now Which is why we have so many people on food stamps. Because what if you got unemployment and food stamps. You'd be like good lord. I make you know what i'm saying was the show. Even good was the random get get past racism sexism and all the other stuff. Was it a good entertaining. Show did you see any hit that that guy could replace back in that podcast. Well i think those are different questions so whether it was any good it was sort of build as the inside look at the price is right and and after we we asked richards for comment within a couple of hours. He deleted all the episodes and he put out an apology for the congress. We asked him about and he has tried to play this off as a comedy podcast. And i don't think that that's an accurate depiction of what it is. Because i mean so not only was he. The executive producer of the price is right at the time. They taped this on the prices. Right set it in. His co host was his former assistant. His producer was his current assistant at the time They would have like guests on the show. Command like chrissy. Teigen doesn't episode and they talk a lot about the prices right so i think you know if you were a big prices right fan it. I mean it. It did sort of work on that level in that it was like this very gossipy show where they would talk a lot about whatever special episode. They have coming or kind of dish about the emmys in what game shows. They think should should be nominated. So i mean it does sort of offer a glimpse into that world that an executive producers well position to provide. I don't think i would keep listening to it if it were still being made today for a few reasons one of which is a lot of the kind of problematic language and they were talking about a lot of things other than the prices right. It ends up being a lot about like celebrity news and just sort of whatever they're thinking about day so it's very rare. It's you know your classic. Very long very rambling. Everyone's gonna wear one pieces and look really frumpy and overweight now. Funny 'cause no one's overweight but they all look terrible in the picture. They look fat and like not good in the picture. It's bad you look great. You look like a sports illustrated model. And then you've got one piece malone's on either side of you with this horrible because he's literally gonna be like walk-ups you and like a bag and be like. Hey hey what's up. I'm wearing a smock and i'm going to give her a smack you waiting for some news out the clips that you pull out with good journalistic reason make it sound like sophomoric morning zoo. Talk radio sort of howard stern white and to me. It's just another example of the sort of tyranny of the unserious but to have all of this associated with jeopardy seems wrong and it's that disconnect between the image of the show as the intellectual serious alex trebek's driven vehicle and then you hear this guy that striving to be sort of you know the sort of dumb ass morning talk show. Host doesn't fit. Yeah so i mean to to go into what specifically we're talking about in a little more depth He kind of filled with a lot of sexist language and language classes language. He uses a lot of kind of ugly slurs. He talks a lot in many many episodes about women's bodies and women's clothing to the point where beth got a job being a was it a booth. Oh is that right at babe for that. What is the booth babe booth slot is someone who dresses up in. Very provocative provocative clothes. Well she was not sure what i want to stress. Having listened to all of it is while i was almost praising it just now talking about how it was an inside look at the price is right. No it very much is dominated by this language. This isn't like every once in a while in an episode. He says this that it that was sort of the mood. And the tone and it's one that for the most part is not equaled by anybody else on the show. It was really kind of richard's doing this and You know it. It is clear to me that he was not playing a character. Or something with. I mean these episodes for a They probably averaged about forty five minutes and he talks about his family and he talks about his work and he you know they talk about the news and it's not. It's not like him. Just trying on this very occasional howard stern persona This this was really. I mean you get you get the sense listening to a lot of it or at least i did. This was kind of the work environment there. Okay let me ask you a question. Have you ever taken a nude picture answering that question. Dui you richard right now to your family. Have you know not like naked. I've taken like cute pictures of myself. That i mean like booby pictures. Clear you you mentioned that you know. It was clear early on that. This was a guy that wanted to be in front of the camera. As opposed to behind it so do we have a sense for how well his episodes is. Guest host went because it's not even clear for instance that anyone suspected that he was supposed to be among the group of guest host while he was guest hosting correct. Yeah so do. We know how well it went. Yes and no So the ratings on jeopardy have been Slowly but steadily falling since trebek's death Which as as worrying as it is for sony. I don't think is necessarily like a super shocking development because of course after you lose your legendary host who is the face of the franchise like of course those those ratings are going to drop off but you know you would see throughout this guest host rotation these-these rankings. It's like here's how the newest guest hosted in didn't their ratings and basically with only like a couple exceptions and they were minor ones in terms of the actual numbers every single guest host was lower than the last so mike richards was the second guest host of the season and he had the second highest guest host ratings. So he followed. Ken jennings who had the number one highest ratings. So you know. I don't really know what you can tell from that. Because i think that has more to do with proximity to to back than than anything The thing that sony and richards giving a lot of interviews as ep over the last year hyped was that this search for the next host was one that was going to rely on analytics and data. And that i think through my reporting in through the recording of others has has become somewhat suspect From talking to people for the story that came out last week It became clear. I mean he was intimately involved in just about every corner of the process. So sony has said that once he became a candidate he bowed out of this kind of search committee for the new host but he was still the executive producer so he was still the person training every new guest host as they came into the studio he was the one literally in their ear telling them what to do or to do better or to stop doing. He was the one that has come out in the new york times Who selected the episodes to send onto focus group. So i mean in theory like your your very first episode that you ever tape. You're probably your first ever game. Show is probably not as good as your tenth episode or whatever it is and so to have him involved in that process in in in some cases to be the only person making those calls is of course a conflict of interest. So i think they're you know in my story. Yes we touched on the podcast. And there's a lot there that is worth examining. And i think that is kind of dominated the headlines since he stepped down but it really is also now clear that the the the search for a new permanent host wasn't really what it seemed to be or at least not entirely. I think that has fans feeling fairly betrayed. So i mean it it seems like he he emerges he gets named the successor to alex. Beck you write your story. It drops last week. What happened as soon as the story gets published for you like did you start getting calls then or like how did you know. Did you get a sense of immediately. That like oh it might be over for this guy already. Well so to get into the timeline a little bit so we reached out for comment on tuesday and all those. Those episodes were pulled down on tuesday night. The we had copies of course and we published on wednesday thursday. Was the long planned. I tape day of the season and not only was it. The contestants coming in for the first five games of the season because they tape a week's episode episode on each tape day they also had this Kind of ceremony. They had planned to dedicate the sound stage where they film jeopardy rename it. The alex trebek's stage and they had your family come in his wife and his kids and they had all these kind of sony dignitaries come in and they clearly wanted this to be this big deal special moment And to be the beginning of a new era with mike. Richards is the host and He tapes five games. But what has come out. And what. I've been hearing from people is that i mean it was. It was very tense day on the set and that a lot of the staff had seen things that were in my story and they were very troubled by them And so then friday morning. They announced that he was stepping down in a canceled production. 'cause they were supposed to take the second the second week week of episodes for the season that day and they actually had all the contestants twelve contestants who are going to be playing that day in many in many cases have been training for months and years for this chance they got to the green room and then they were told to go home. So jeopardy is supposed to start taping. It's next week of episodes this week. in we don't know what they're going to do. They haven't said if they're canceling production. They had said that they were gonna turn back to guest hosts. They haven't said who that will be at if it'll be new people or if they'll return to some of last season's guest hosts right now. Mike richards is still the executive producer of the show and of wheel of fortune. So you know. It's i think there has been some some outrage. That if these things are disqualifying for him to be the host of jeopardy surely they must also be disqualifying for him to be executive producer of the show and of course the staff is not pleased either. So it's sort of a weird thing. That's going on over there. And i i mean i frankly just feel for the contestants who who had no part in this at all and they don't get any vote about who who the host is in the end. Suddenly this is no part of their jeopardy experience. The finish up claire. This is really embarrassing for the legacy of this show which as you write about and i mentioned earlier is sort of viewed particularly game. Show world like this intellectual out liar. How much does this hurt. Jeopardy's reputation how does it recover the sort of the gloss of trebek's reputation. Either there have been reports that the head of sony. Tv is is now kind of in hot water over bungling this. Because i mean he was one of the probably deciding vote in hiring richards to be the host and they had not found this podcast themselves or kind of looked into all this more certainly raises eyebrows. I think that one of the joys of jeopardy is what you that it is this kind of place of pure facts and that's all that matters and it's never been a controversial show and it hasn't really changed that much in It was just something. You kind of spanned spanned american pop culture in american culture in a way that so few tv shows or anything. Does these days in the year. Twenty twenty one and in that feels dented now and and you know i guess we'll we'll find out if it's irreversible certainly is a show with a massive audience in that's not changing. It's not like it's gonna be cancelled next season it's This going to be cancelled three or four years And i do think that there is a possibility that if if they hire somebody who is less contentious in it's it's hard to imagine them finding somebody much more contentious frankly And richards exits as ep in kind of ends this chapter for the show. Certainly the show and sony will be hoping that this is a person who can provide some element of what directed at least in the sense of stability who will be there for many years. Who will not be making headlines all the time who will not be sort of reminding people to like get on social media and yelled their opinion about jeopardy right which is never what that show has been in not without show wants to be So i think. I think it's possible this ends up just being a kind of unfortunate blip in the show's history. But but certainly. I think it is the first time that jeopardy as this cultural institution does feel endangered one. Silver lining outcome here could be that it felt like with mike richards. Appointment show was trying to pivot to being a little less nerdy and and intellectual and this may push it back to its roots clermont near rights for the ringer. She's also the author of answers in the form of questions definitive history and insider's guide to jeopardy. We were post excellent story about mike richards on our show page. Claire thank you so much for comma show. Thanks for having me. If your companies all hiring strategy is hoping the right person will come along. You're not drafting or trading. You're just waiting get serious about building a championship team now. With indeed instant match. When hiring gets hard you need indeed job site that makes hiring incredibly simple. Just attract interview and hire. Don't just hope you're perfect. Candidate will find you. Indeed hiring tools help you cut through the noise to hire faster and smarter in fact indeed. 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Chimed in with the correct answer. It was ron hextall of the philadelphia. Flyers it happened on december. Eighth nineteen eighty-seven in philly against the bruins. Empty net goal with twelve seconds to go in the game. Let's listen ruins comeback. Let the side center in iraq thought. He blocked the net player in the. That's pretty cool. Hextall wasn't the first to be credited with scoring goal. You of course know who that was. Jewelry was ed belfour. Who you do my answer every question every night. You know the answer. Billy of the new york islanders in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. He was the last player on the islanders to touch the puck before a player on the colorado rockies scored an own-goal into the empty net seven goalies have shot and scored after hextall. The most recent was in january. Twenty twenty six goalies. Because ron hextall did it again. The following season in the nineteen eighty-nine playoffs the great ron. Hextall all right well steph. In what is your ron hextall. Than i have now been to to live professional sporting events since the pandemic the i was washington nationals game in the spring when the stadium was at twenty five percent max capacity and seats were zip tied to prevette fans from moving around to empty ones. The second was on saturday. When i joined six hundred and fifteen other spectators at catholic university in dc for a big game between the dc breeze and the raleigh flyers of the american ultimate disc league. Now we've talked about ultimate frisbee once before on this. Podcast back in twenty seventeen when josh and i interviewed david guests near the author of ultimate glory. A memoir about the sport. But we've never discussed the pros or more appropriately semi pros the eleven year. Old a u. d. l. has twenty two teams from boston to san diego. My favorite names are the minnesota wind. Chill does a nice mid western companion to the deep sea breeze which honestly if wanted to be like region-specific it should be called the dc stale humid draft but breezes pretty good because it connotes the disc riding on the wind also like madison radicals which i assume our hope was named for the city's history of progressive politics and activism fox. Sports two shows a weekly a ud l. game draft kings. The league sponsor players get anywhere from like twenty five bucks. A game plus travel hotel and per diem to contracts for around fifteen thousand dollars and coaching high school team or teaching ultimate frisbee in gym classes. Now i went to the breeze game. Because i've known a bunch of ultimate players since they were kids and a couple of them are now out of college playing in the league. Shout jake dunkin fitzgerald and to two more players. Who also went to wilson high school here in dc and still in college and playing in the league. Jacques nissen who had a ton of assists on saturday and aaron bartlett. The breeze game had a distinctly minor league vibe cheap tickets the concession stand was basically pizza and beer hanging vinyl sponsor banners a try hard employees with a mike on the sidelines tossing t shirts and attempting to get the crowd to cheer at one point. He shouted that the breeze is blowing which gave him that. The team was doing well. Didn't really make sense. little kids in front of us annoyingly but forgive ably clapping thunder sticks. There were some deer grazing on the catholic university sports fields behind the metal bleachers under a majestic summer sky and once the sunset on what was a brutally hot day it was lovely ultimate is played on an eighty yard field with twenty yard end zones players catch and plant a pivot foot and in the pro league they have a maximum of seven seconds to make a pass it can be little static games between good teams like this one tend to be dominated by the offense but the athleticism is high. There's lots of cutting faking all out. Sprinting and dudes laying fall out or skying way high to make catches or blocks and the site of the disc floating the length of the field during the poll which is the equivalent of a kick off. I find that very soothing anyway. This is a great game joel. Back and forth all the way culminating in double overtime. The breeze got the disc to start the second. Ot which was sudden death and they drove the field and scored to win twenty two twenty one and secure first round home field advantage in the a u. d. l. playoffs. Here's how the ending sounded on the leave leagues livestream. Close time dc. Strong joe preserve but wizards someday winning the nba championship or like the january sixth the riots but a sudden death sports finish is always cool. Everyone was stoked. Do ultimate players. Still stoke. I don't and fans lined up to bump fists with the victoria's breeze after the game. Good times you're a man. Sounds like a good time was had by all phoenix. Unless you. we're not playing for. Of course but i think the funny thing about it. Is that when you mentioned that you were going to this game over the weekend. I thought you were playing right. That's i didn't have a lot of. I didn't realize that you could go. Pruitt this and so i was like okay stephane. Most he's moved from softball season ultimate frisbee season. But man. i always sucked it frisbee. I can't throw frisbee well and you gotta be like super athletic to to guys. Did they look like out that. They look like really good athletes. Some of them are like converted really good athletes from other sports and at a lot of colleges that teams will recruit dudes that played high level baseball football basketball in high school. But can't play in college so you get some really fits athletes with huge ops. And you got to have some huge ups. The play alternate up sir. That did not did not know that when i was in coaching. The breeze black dude. One of the one of the leading tacticians. Apparently an alternate frisbee. According to one of my friends did not know. I remember what i was in college. And that'd be walking back and forth either to football practice into newsroom. later. And i'd see people throwing the fish bre- around on the yard and i was like man that looks like a lot of fun. I didn't know you go pro at it. Maybe i missed mccollum. 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"The NFL playoffs seven of the eight teams. Playing this weekend did not get this far last year you can keep going also say the NBA dramatic Kevin Durant like all my mentions go. Legal packed arena national panel. Here's a trivia question for you right now. How many times well twelve okay? Let's Go and who was on the poll game last one. Oh Got Chris. Mason commutes all around. We'll move on all. Is the Cleveland browns pressure on this team and is coaching. Hire to get it right. Today's as in the private jet flying Josh mcdaniels. He's the eight interview. McCarthy Oregon Roman Be Enemies Fan Ski Day Ball Setup and Schwartz Carina is mcdaniels the guy for this job. I think it's a pretty good choice from a football perspective He is a brilliant play caller. I know people look at the Patriots offense. This season hasn't been great but I think a lot of that is due to the lack of talent. They still finished eleventh inefficiency inefficiency which is remarkable but but the browns really need Tony and I think this should be the primary concern. Here is someone who can lead someone who can set a culture now people point to Josh's tenure in Denver and say oh he struggled with that back then but that was ten ten years ago. None of us are the same people. We worked ten years ago except for woody so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and I think he would be a good choice for Cleveland given what he's accomplished awesome page yes. I agree with me but I'll go beyond that. He grew up in Canton Ohio. He is Cleveland kind of Guy and he loves Ohio Oh and he played high school and College Ball there and I think he's always wanted to go back there. He's interviewed twice before at. It didn't work out so the third time I think his wife he's bringing his wife with him and I know from having been around him being goes to him for a couple of years that he doesn't make a tough if decision if she's not with them. I think this is the first and this is the first time that actually. She's gone on an interview during this season so I think that there are a lot of reasons now as a coach yes. He's matured since he was here. He was thirty two years old. His is veteran. Defensive Coaches didn't like him they leaked all sorts of information to try. They did him out of there. He brought in his brother. Who's about twenty six to be the quarterback coach and he just didn't know how to handle the situation now? I think he does Sarah Spain. How do you read this one point? I I'm as you got a point. But no listing all failed in other places this to me is not the best way to buoy and argument that he's going to succeed. This argument for why Eric Enemy might have been the guy here. Particularly because of the way we've Seen Andy Reed's coaching intrigue succeed. And the problems that maybe have existed with people who follow it up. I think meanest point is a valid one in that it's not just about being a good coach who can make good play calls. It's about about being a leader and changing an atmosphere there. This is has fifth choice for a head coach. Four of them have not made it a full three years. Two of them have not made it past one year. This this is about being strong enough to institute change in a place that desperately needs it. I'm only concerned about the fact that he has had other opportunities and hasn't been able to do that but like I said maybe he's different by Kevin Black. Well you mentioned the important name there. Jimmy Hassem the top has not changed. So I'm not sure your who you bring in is going to really change the culture of the Cleveland Browns. But let's maybe give Josh mcdaniels shot maybe gives defense get had shot. Maybe maybe give Eric B enemy. Whose resume is absolutely sterling now under a under Andy Reid and what he's done with Patrick Mahomes and that offense out in Kansas City? Give him a shot. But do we really know what anybody is going to be able to do. Once they get to Cleveland and they find out that what we all know the head is still the same. That's the problem here in Washington. I think that's still a big problem including there. Can I ask you one more question. mcdaniels you brought up ten years ago with Denver. Yes maybe maybe a lot has changed in ten. Years is two years ago with the Indianapolis Colts. And the jolting of that franchise. How much of that do you think some play well? Well I think that was the complicated situation that had something to do with colts ownership as well But I think from a pure football perspective because we don't know the culture stuff we don't know the leadership stop right. We make guesses about these guys. We have no idea what it's actually going to be like when they get in the building but we do know what he's capable of as a football coach and I know are I believe that the Cleveland Oakland Browns have more talent on that offense than Cleveland does or pardon me. The New England does rights are given what he was able to accomplish with New England this year. What he's been able to accomplish throughout his tenure there? I think you can come in to Cleveland. Answer a question. I haven't asked yet. Media Com says yes the right coach can make the browns and so the team we thought they are. What did you agree with that? Yes yes Freddie Kitchens became the coach because his relationship with Baker Mayfield. I can tell you from my sources. That Josh mcdaniels really does like Baker Mayfield real and so if he gets a totally into it member. He's a guy who got cosell to win twelve games that year. That Brady was out. Matt Cassel Yeah. It might take a little bit more than just liking Baker Mayfield. You might have to actually do some of the coaching but we'll move. Let's talk would have a serious question for you. Actually we'RE GONNA basketball you've covered the league's NBA Evia for six decades. Bob cousy ever Levy sharply-worded posted noting the players locker saying had the court vision of a naked mole rat. You do when you ever see two and three no yet but Kevin durant versus Kendrick Perkins. I mean this is just an incredible woodrow Sarahspain going to start with you. Because this is more your jurisdiction. What's going on here? How bad is this? How good is this? Well first of all Kevin Durant lead. The journalism awesome did pros. It was actually two in four. Apparently not two and three and that makes world going on is a guy who's very bored because he's injured in a guy who's now being paid to stir things up are interacting in a public forum. Is this good for the NBA. Absolutely people love drama people love. NBA Sweet Valley early high conversations between guys want and they went out. They don't like each other. Is this good for them. We're not going to change Kevin Durant. This is clearly who he is. I think those who are going to say they like him. In spite of what he does on the Internet and those who are predisposed to not like his decision making in there for who he is as a human being are going to say that this just adds to what they already thought about him. What do you pitch? This does no good for the NBA. I've been to their offices. I don't think there's there there's more going wall. Wow this is happening to us. In the last three weeks in regard to positive news this is beneath the players. It's especially beneath with a Kevin Durant. We don't really care about kids. Who Perkins Anymore? He was a two and four. He was a triple single waiting to happen every night. But in regard to Bob cousy Tony as an aside. He came up once and introduced himself to me. He was a gentleman. Of course. I don't think I don't think this sabet any sense whatsoever Kevin durant at least in use a burner as I was mentioning yesterday. Did it with his own voice. But why does he keep doing this. If you want to be loyal to this but the picone a player retired and it makes no sense. I mean it comes. Thank you well speaking of burners are you taking the flame thrower to Kendrick Perkins there. I liked it. I thought it was funny. I am tired of concern. Trolling Kevin Durant as Sarah pointed out. It's who he is and I don't think we have any writer knowledge. I guess about how it affects them him as a human being personally. I thought it was kind of funny even if he did make a mistake. There and also by the way perk was wrong. Katie is obviously the best player thunder history. Kevin blog. A Sony ever read on this well just entertainment which is what the NBA is. And I don't think there's any professional sports league in this country that is more tied into pop culture as it is today or as it was even twenty years ago then the NBA and Kevin Durant happens to live a life on twitter. We know that that's fine. Kendrick Perkins put his out there. That's fine it's enjoyable. We're not talking about real games in the NBA. Today right now. We're talking about beef on twitter between two guys aren't even play. That's incredible Thursday. Good enough not malicious. Yeah I just wanted to say as a loyal ESPN ESPN employees. That unlike what he I for one very much care about our colleague Kendra. Would you please take absolutely take word or you know you got me worried. They're not talking about the Games. I like to talk about Russell. WESTBROOK's return okay. See last night. Let's do that. Let's do his love for. Oklahoma City was on display and vice versa and also passionate was on display on the on the end of the bench during that time out mid laws James Harden came over hard in the interruptions eruptions. Talk them through it all. I enjoyed exactly the way he handled it and the way they handled it. They've been very courteous to to the two guys that have left them. Paul George Russell Westbrook once again. We've got the video but I like the came out. Did his normal routine from when he was there before for the game even to the point of shooting the Aero into the top deck to actually recognize those fads going over to the fender employees that were on the front row. Oh and talking to them the the thing with him going to the end of the beach. That doesn't bother me. We all get frustrated. He just thought we should be winning. This game Oklahoma's one seven other the last eight though so they're not a pussy. Can we applaud all this. I thought it was gracious on the part of the fans. I thought it was gracious on the part of Westbrook. I thought his statement at the end where you could see was actually emotional about. It was great calm this fanzine ever had. I thought that was fantastic. We need a little bit more that it's a little bit less than the other stuff. Yeah he did all the right things before the game. He said all the right things after the game and in the game he was exactly the Rus us that we usually appreciate a guy who was incredibly passionate and was angry that they were losing especially on a night that meant so much to them. I think that's okay times like everybody. Everybody I loved it earlier. I said Katie was right. Because he is the best player Franchise History Russell. Westbrook is the most important player. And I think that's why we saw that sort of reception the night break right here by the side. Your picks your picks divisional round of the playoffs. Me To page. We'll give it to me. Give it to me the mute button ready right here. Welcome back around the horn. Coming to you from the Heineken River. DECA here's seventeen. We'll go through all the games in in chronological order. Mike Chronological clock is ticking. Like this Vikings Forty niners play debut for Garoppolo. The niners team. I'm here big game big cousins and dealing the digs both on the injury report this week. Among every everybody's really banged up Kwan Alexander back for San Fran another comeback back from injury up. Who or what is the X.? Factor in this one. I'm going to go with George. Kibble I think he is the most multi multipurpose deadly weapon in the NFL. I call him a Swiss army knife but that seems insufficient because a Swiss army knife. Canton bull you over punch you in the face Over the bikers the best in the league at least I don't maybe in some people's hands. The Vikings defense is the best in the League defending tight end x factor for you. What do you page the secretary of the biking's two guys that are hurt Xavier rotate his worst season giving up eighty three point eight percent of passes in his territory? Toya Gordon to pro football focus and I think San Francisco is GonNa Program Light. We see aliens from another planet. Do human rights. I'll take your word I I'm GonNa go Dalvin Cook because even though I think the niners will win I thought the same thing about the vikings versus the saints that have Dalvin Cook and establish early. Allow us to play action speeds affective as he was against the Saints Point. I'M GONNA go with Garoppolo. We had a lot of questions about kirk cousins coming into these playoffs. offi answered those we Garoppolo anything right. We have not seen Garoppolo in the in the playoffs as anything other than a backup. So let's see what he does. Take a pick. Everybody yelled out. I heard some fixing their. Forgive me the team name reporting on everybody's got seferian. Remove Titans Ravens only way to be Lamar Jackson and to keep them off the field. Only way to be Lamar Jackson. I used to hit Lamar Jackson only way to beat. Lamar Jackson. outscore the Ravens trademark. Fives lives thank you. What do you think how Rabaul? And the titans executed against the Patriots last week gives them a shot to pull off the upset. Absolutely I mean you've got a situation of the Norman I'm so I roll my gets peas piece in the Roman have met it before in the Super Bowl San Francisco Baltimore piece won that battle. I think he knows what Roman likes to do. He knows what to do against Lamar Jackson because before before he beat Kaffir Nick in that game. He's a history lesson. You're giving us here on on coordinators you believe coordinators the X. factor in this game spate. They W absolutely not. Because you couldn't find were opposite quarterbacks than the Mark Jackson and Tom Brady you're not going to beat the ravens of tantalus seventy two yards. Even Henry is doing amazing things on the ground. You need a completely different. And they're the only to not have seen the ravens in the regular I season. They're going to get blown out of the water early before they can outside boys from Sarah Spain as well Kevin Blackstone you but the question is do do they have a plan that could impact his game. That could win them the game and the only way you do. That is to make Lamar Jackson as little part of this game as possible. WHOA and the only way you do that is to keep him? Keep them up to get a chance. Anything can have closet. I totally disagree. Yes Derrick Henry was obese there on the field you how many points. They scored fourteenth the Ravens. Were Twenty eight points this entire season Ryan Tannehill. NFL needs to come through for them to have a shot. This one pick. Let me hear it again. Everybody's got the Ravens. We'll move on Texans chiefs forecast for Kansas the city on Sunday early afternoon. Thirty five degrees partly cloudy Casey. A ten point favorite last time these two met at Arrowhead Week six Houston Thirty One born Casey twenty four Sarahspain. Let me ask you this way. How much do you think that game means come Sunday and what will decide this game? It means he's a little bit for the Texans in terms of confidence. But that's about it. The chiefs were in the midst of a top six and four start. Mahomes had a sore ankle. Personnel wasn't all healthy and there. This is a different different chiefs team. The only chance of Texans have is if The Shawn Watson is doing the warlock even things. We saw him doing that last game. And even then I think the chiefs are too well. Well he could certainly do those things and you know they get a little help back a little inspiration with JJ wiput. Sarah's absolutely right I mean the chiefs are just too overwhelming talent wise and after what they went through last year chip. Times doesn't mean anything. Not only was mahomes. Hurt Chris Jones. Who might be the most underrated pass rusher in the NFL did did not play okay? It him against that Texans offensive line. It's not pretty and what he was the last time. That was a major reason. But what we've seen the chiefs in the last six games giving up eleven point five points. The defense has come together for them. That's the different. The homes did have three touchdowns came despite even even let me hear the music. Let me hear it eighteen trends here. We'll move plot. This might be the game. You go the other way packers. The forecast the Green Bay on Saturday ten inches of snow. Can we convince them to. Maybe not shovel. Russell Wilson Wilson. Aaron Rodgers You know this is GonNa come down to the last. Well you know it Kevin Black. It's not I'll ask you this way. We'll be better quarterback win Sunday. No better quarterback in this game is going to be Russell Wilson and he's not going to win because since nineteen ninety-three the free agency period anytime in December knbr January. There's been a significant snowfall in Green Bay. Guess who's won the packers and that's what you've got this week. You believe that statistic is going to really matter to guys is playing in two thousand nine hundred declined about you. I think it's Russell Wilson. I think they will win. Because his strength passing deep play action send. The packers defense is weakness. That's the first underdog or the first team. That's not the first row team. Something this panels picked. What do you pay Java you? Oh me too picking Seattle Schalke. It's going to take this for you. I was there for game with the giants came in a and we're underdogs and they beat the packers there so it could happen. Our the best quarterback for now in this situation in green bay is Aaron Rodgers. He is going to lead his team to victory. One makes you say Rogers is the better quarterback playing right now in Beijing. He knows how to play on that stadium. I'm sorry Seattle Sarahspain how about you. I want to hear Russell Wilson Stat. That's what I wanna hear good. Sarah finally picked a road team but she was still a homer. Somehow which there's an amazing thing. Listen the best quarterback right. Now is Russell Wilson. 'cause Aaron Rodgers numbers are down but the best quarterback at home is going to be Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson has been bad. Lambeau the seahawks together have lost eight in a row. There's a one in nine all time at Lambeau. Russell Wilson has six interceptions. Two three go run game is GonNa take that. Would bolster your argument. You told me Wilson was only three. All Time at Lambeau did not but still enough through advanced those scores Times blackstone the job so I mean we did four games three games team and then for the fourteen one panelist picking Seattle taking a break right here. Showdown next coming page. Sarahspain is is today the night of the National Championship game. No Oh what is going on here. The anticipation is killing me. And I do not hope it will. Last we've been waiting the the grunt thicker in the spreaders grown larger six points Dow L.. LSU Eighty percent of the money on Lsu. Woody is it really that much a sure thing. No I don't believe you got Lawrence on one side of the ball. You Got Simmons on the other side. the ball who is a disruptor. This is gonNA come down to the final final possession. So line is out of walk as far as absurd. I think the home advantage for Lsu is probably what's moving this line but underestimating Clemson and Trevor Lawrence is foolhardy to me so no it's already for the fool okay. Speaking of art yes. Let's all right. Let's put the point. You know foolish all move golden goal. Different let me golden goal. How many have there been all time? You know it. You said earlier early air. Liquide Ron Hextall to Martin door. Did it a couple of guys where does pick arenas rank. What's the most impressive parts? They're the most impressive part of this is the law but even more impressive is what you mentioned earlier that the man on the call Chris Mason is one of those other twelve goaltender which just just all outstanding. I love that has to be in the top five because it looked like a truck tire going down the interstate. Did you see the way it was wobbling cycles and the way we all right so you want to space time you gotta give me the other Ford your Ah Okay Bro. Doors excavating While the nation is captivated by this jeopardy tournament. We're also considering that seventy nine year old. Alex for back has said that his tenure with jeopardy will not last forever which leads us to. I wonder who would be a good replacement and Dan. Patrick suggested the one and only Tony Reality and let me be someone who is certainly not seeking out the hosting Gig of this show. Either I say that. I think that Tony Reality tremendous selection to be the next house of jeopardy. I mean that much. Data's Tara's Spain yes I don't WanNa live in a world where we Rebecca's in jeopardy could do it folks. Thanks for coming around. We are at four on Monday so for the first time. Ever stay a seventy one hour break.

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"So it's all done on their reporting where to gather and what's happening. It's cool that there are now five people in southwestern new hampshire who have signed up really and they're very privacy friendly you have to have certain signal in order to receive your code to create your account neat and they have a telegram which is always good. And it's got a messaging system that i have looked into the is supposedly encrypted as well. Just send messages to other users so have to say so far. I'm impressed and it sounds like if they want an app they should contact nobody and find a way of implementing. Self-rule one into this. I know that nobody are co host. Had had the intention of reaching out to that group. So i i don't know what status he has reached out to them. I think he wants to app to be like in a usable state. 'cause we inherited for listeners. That don't know cell phone. One is a an app that was created. probably like twenty fifteen by actually a listener. Freetalklive virgil the duva. And he did an amazing job at making this great little simple easy to use emergency alerts app where you can have your friends. Get the app and then You can all sort of create what they call cells. These aren't terrorist cells there peace peace sells but the idea is to to have these cells of people. You know maybe one for your family for your friends or whatever you can put them. You can have as many of these things as you want and so then at the thing is happening to you. That's bad like you know your house catches on fire. Someone's having a medical emergency the cops pull you over. You know whatever it is. That's going on. You can send an alert that goes out to the cells that you choose And it's an amazing app that has been used for a long time here in new hampshire by the activist community here in in too much success. Unfortunately virgil came into some tough personal times late last year and he wasn't able to really kind of keep up the app and these sorts of things need to be kept up. You have to like young delegate with goals dates their api and you update the thing so you can't just like release the app and just let be you gotta take care of it. And so he wasn't able to do that anymore. And the current version of the app that people can find at working depends. So if you're on it should work fine for you if you're on android there's a new version that's going to be coming out hopefully as soon as sometime later this week where process right now of trying to figure out what to do to get this thing online. There's a what's new required. So nobody's in the midst of writing nat But we're close. We're close to actually having some of what we would call showstopper level bugs fixed with cell phone once version. I'm using. I had to download from some third party app store because it was delisted from google for not being updated. Yeah and i don't know if it ever got updated get realistic. But it wasn't fixed at the time so lucky going to be fixed but it had the fix hasn't been uploaded so we will let you know when that happens. So that's why i'm saying like nobody's probably not banging down ammon bundy's door because the app isn't quite ready for primetime. Once it is. That's definitely something he intends to reach out. I look forward to beta testing it. Yeah absolutely well. There's actually a special group for that. So remind me later and i can. I can drive in there so back to the story here from the los angeles times where they're trying to smear and then bunny by suggesting that he is associated with Right wing racist groups even though he's personally in favor of union as you mentioned black lives matter andy. Funding the police. Which are i mean. Generally white supremacists like the police because generally police are white. Supremacist origins that's true. You mean catching slaves the police. Yeah that's right so according to l. a. times dot com. The investigators looked into the group which is called people's rights their website people's rights dot org. They found the network had twenty thousand members in sixteen states in an interview late last month near his home in idaho. Bundy claimed it had grown to almost fifty thousand people in thirty five states last. La times realized that the more stories like this they write the more people sign up for people's rights dot org. I don't know but don't tell them because this is good last fall. Facebook removed an undisclosed number of people's rights pages from its platform after deeming the network a militarized social movement. Well now. I know i'm interested. Yeah facebook saying it's bad than it must be worth looking at it so far. Nothing i've seen on here is bad. I mean they basically asked the same thing the cell phone and one s you know when the police show up or you did help who. You're going to call your friends because your friends won't shoot you. They ask almost literally the same question here. So who will you contact when your rights are threatened. You will call your neighbors. Yeah they're like less likely to shoot you the almost entirely unlikely to shoot you. Bundy said his soul cause was defending freedoms guaranteed under the constitution. Even for lgbtq people in black lives matter activists whose views he may oppose now again. That's not a quote from bundy. That's just what the l. a. times he never said i'm curious now. What his utah. Lgbt people are. I mean he's probably a right wing conservative. But i don't know i've never talked to the guy. He's very libertarian. Actually did we talk to him. I think we actually did talk. To one of the bundy's. I may have talked dam and bundy in the past honestly but it's been a very long time so going on here. He said he never supported. President trump and he didn't vote in the last two presidential elections in two thousand sixteen. He was in prison awaiting trial in this past november. He didn't see a point. So i mean obviously. He's not your typical if he's a conservative. You ain't your typical now. He is definitely closer to libertarian. Based on everything i've seen. He has conservative in contending the twenty or the kobe nineteen death. Toll is massively exaggerated. he said. That trump should've worked harder to keep churches and businesses open nonetheless. He encouraged his followers to go to washington for the now infamous january sixth rally to distribute leaflets display people's rights banners to recruit more members. He did say that. He condemned the siege on the capital. Was that because it was pointless and it didn't achieve anything or is was some some angry republicans role playing as protesters. Apparently he was also arrested. According to a photograph here in this article in the idaho state house in boise on august twenty six th of last year was arrested and wheeled out in an office chair or what appears to be a wheelchair here so maybe a little civil disobedience it looked like not sure what that was about. Bundy is carrying out a family tradition. He is the fourth of thirteen children in a mormon family. Grew up on. Nevada ranch. Seventy four year old. Father cliven became a hero to extreme libertarians. In the west. We extreme libertarian. That sounds cool when they say like that. Extreme libertarian extremist libertarian-leaning deed when he stopped paying grazing fees in nineteen ninety-three claiming his family had ancestral rights to run its cattle on public land. And that the government's ownership claims violated the constitution and in bundy left. The ranch is a young man. I for minnesota for two years of mormon mission service and then to southern utah university later moving to phoenix where he ran a truck repair business for fourteen years in two thousand fourteen. He stood with militias. That rallied behind his father's 'cause when fbi agents arrived at the nevada ranch with a court order to confiscate the family's cattle the government backed down to avoid bloodshed raising the family stature in far right circles and the part of the storm right. Yeah i thought. They said he was libertarians. That was his fans. Well that's what they said. The media loves make libertarian. Seem like right wingers. That's what they like. Yeah they they want to try to make. Libertarians seem even more far right. Then anyone else even though the reality of it is is libertarians. Agree with right wingers on some things and left-wingers on other things embarrassing what part i don't want people to think i'm a right winger. Unfortunately on my way to make them think. I also am the chairman of the republican committee. Which is a whole other issue entirely. But i've also been a democrat and run for for governor called a leftist a lot to. I'll do whatever. I need to do to get the ideas of liberty out basically but according to this now the thing. They're not mentioning here. Oh no they do mention it okay. So an important point about the original bundy's story. Is they charged a bunch of these people in the bundy ranch situation and weren't they all acquainted. Almost all of them were acquitted except for the ones that took plea deals. This is why you don't take the plea. You really shouldn't the next year. Bundy and his wife moved to emmet idaho which is farming town. Turn bedroom community. Outside of boise. He said that god had called him to support. Dwight him in junior and his son steven oregon ranchers sentenced to prison for setting fires on federal lands and in january of two thousand sixteen. He led an armed group that seized headquarters the headquarters of the malheur. Federal wildlife refuge demanding. The government relinquish in three the hammett's did they do so. Of course that's tragic but still a for effort man. That's hard core taking over federal building. They did and they occupied it for like forty something days more on this story. We'll get back six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty you think is he just troublemaker. Is he an anarchist. What is he is he just out there trying to put it. May maybe even honeypot six zero. Three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. some of you asked. And now we've delivered l. r. n. dot fm. Live keene new hampshire studio shows are now streamed in hd on twitch visit our channel at twitter dot l. r. n. fm and give it a follow. 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This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's the public service newscast tonight not twenty one. The second impeachment trial of donald trump begins this afternoon. The hill reports party meters came to agreement monday. And how it will go. The hill knows under the time line would allow the trial to wrap up as early as next week. If both sides agreed out to call witnesses under the deal. The senate will debate and vote tuesday on whether the trial is unconstitutional. That is basically a nonstarter on wednesday. They'll be opening arguments under the deal. The house impeachment managers and trump team will have sixteen hours over two days each to present their case to the senate meantime after a fourteen year. Old black boy in north carolina was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car in front of his home while repeatedly asking for his father who was inside the home the voice family and community advocates are questioning local. Police protocol involving juveniles. Malcolm ziglar had recently purchased a motorbike from facebook seller and was unaware. The bike was stolen after police officers showed up at his home. He complied with requests from law enforcement and was released ties ziegler. Malcolm's mother says her son like many other young black has experienced firsthand. the trauma caused by negative interactions with police. She says she's concerned that despite repeatedly asking for his father his request was denied by the officers. She's demanding policy and procedural changes for interactions involving minors. The what i'm looking for is change. That is what i'm advocating. Because i don't want their child to ask for this parent hair. it and be denied. I'm audio ramleh. Gone some of west. Virginia's lawmakers are proposing abolishing the state's personal income tax during this year's legislative session social services. Avid say the move would be devastating for children and families. The lost income would total more than two billion dollars forcing nature cuts to state agencies including the bureau for children and families. According to jim mckay with prevent child abuse west virginia. The state's child protective services. Division is still struggling to catch up from budget cuts during the great recession. He says he points out. Mingo county still has only one. Cps worker for the entire area who handles cases for more than seventy children. That's just heartbreaking. We know there are vacancies across the state in child protection services. And if there's budget cuts of the nature that it's being proposed. Many of those physicians will remain unfilled with devastating consequences. Lawmakers say that eliminating personal income tax would attract more people to live and work in west virginia. I'm diane bernard this is p. Ns electric buses and other heavy vehicles or taking to the streets nationwide lily bulky reports for soundbites sourced. Many of them are powered with batteries manufactured in south carolina. David clayton with clemson. University's international center for automotive research says the fleet services sector appears to be among the first to turn away from diesel and internal combustion engines in favor of going electric that includes companies such as fedex and amazon but also port the cranes in vehicles that handle cargo vote because it makes sense for their business. It's more cost effective approach in some cases. But you know. They have sustainability mandates and targets that they're trying to achieve per tara the electric battery and charging station manufacturer with one plant in greenville and another near los angeles also was working with leading construction equipment manufacturer to electrify off road equipment. President joe biden announced plans to replace the government's fleet with electric vehicles wyoming lawmakers considering a proposal that would require a governor's order before any of the state's winter. Ilk feedlots can be phased out. Jonathan rattener with the western watersheds project says the move ignores basic science and warns. It would make it much more difficult to address. The potential for permanent chronic wasting disease contamination across western wyoming. They're making it much harder to solve this problem. By some ending in the current status quo which was developed approximately one hundred years ago prior to any understanding of disease transmission issues or wildlife management ethics conservationists. Sworn that feedlots where large numbers of l. gathering close quarters are potential super spreading events for the disease livestock producers and outfitters have defended winter. Lots to keep elk away from cattle feed and maintain large herd numbers. I'm eric gladys and finally our ticket off has been talking with an idaho congressman who may have taken the first step on tangling the tricky dot of dams in the northwest and their effects on salmon representative mike simpson has laid out a thirty three billion dollar columbia basin fund while it includes breaching the four lower snake river dams. It also addresses replacing their benefits such as energy and irrigation for local agriculture. Brian brooks heads the idaho wildlife federation. He says it's critical. Lifeline for the region's endangered salmon and steelhead finally. Finally someone giving attention to this issue because it is such a big problem because it's gonna require a big solution. Simpson is giving at the attention. It serves simpson has been working on the plan for three years and has held three hundred meetings with stakeholders over that time. More than a dozen fish species have become endangered. dams were constructed. This is by clifford. Four public news service. We are remember. Listener supported great radio stations across the nation and a line at public new service dot. Org here's a look at weather from the hotline news. Feed weather center today mostly cloudy and cold with a high temp nia nineteen. Tonight's a slight chance of snow after midnight. Later turning into freezing rain low around sixteen there is a chance of snow before eleven am wednesday later turning to a snow sleet mixed high near twenty one. That's the latest weather checkout more news and weather on our website at heartland newsfeed dot com suggested earlier that i you just do a simple search for double masking on twitter and this was actually been our money suggestion. I just pass it along to you. Former freetalklive co host. Who moved to sign pan last year. He's been just on it with some really interesting twitter posts and this whole double masking thing is truly truly like religious zealotry. Yeah i had to stop at this one and you just share it with people on the air as per some experts recommendations doesn't even know why she's putting onto masters just because quote. Some expert told her to truly truly sad. But that's not really what we're talking about here to know how. I'm sure we'll get into it at some point. I want to get back to the bundy story. Because i find that far more encouraging for the future of freedom than i do these idiots putting on to mass for some reason. I well somebody else did it. So they're going to do it to someone. Some authorities said so so okay but anyway. The ammon bundy did check. By the way we interviewed ryan bundy which is one of the brothers of annan bundy's so in the past this was in two thousand fourteen after the wildlife. Nothing that was before the wildlife refuge situation but after the cliven bundy oka standoff so for listeners just tuning in ammon is the son of cliven bundy and he's the guy who led the wild wildlife refuge Situation in two thousand sixteen. Where a i don't know. A couple of dozen people occupied this federal property and it was in the middle of the winter time so it wasn't like they took over an active like on site. It was shut down for the winner. Okay and they took that over. And then according to the story at the los angeles times the oregon ranchers are sorry. The so bundy led this group in two thousand sixteen that seized the headquarters of the malheur refuge. Bundy was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of the refuge and eventually tried on weapons and conspiracy charges a militant who fled the stop was shot and killed the that man had a name. I forget what. It was offhand. But they're just referring to him as a militant it by the way the man who fled the stop was not a danger to anyone he did not shoot at anyone but the cops murdered him right there running away. That's correct in a startling verdict. In october of two thousand sixteen bundy and other defendants were acquitted by jurors who found the federal prosecutors had failed to make their case. Wow yeah it was an amazing verdict. A series of verdicts more than one documentary about this. Because it's a good question. I don't know the families. Aura of invincibility only grew when a judge declared a mistrial in a criminal conspiracy case against bundy his brother ryan who interviewed and their father for the two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saint government lawyers had suppressed the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees bundy kept a low profile back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children but the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love it. You can't keep a good actes down nope once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling no that's right in march because that is what freedom ultimately is is the freedom to say no and be respected in your choice because we can say no and they'll put you in jail cell right. But in his case he actually was able to say no and they didn't put him in a jail cell because people on juries actually back them up which is amazing so in march he gathered several dozen supporters in a warehouse that he owns in idaho in his first public. Act of the group defied republican governor. Brad little stay at home directive and held an easter service for about sixty people now by the way at the same time we were doing. Some public acts here in new hampshire and we have not gotten the same media coverage now to be fair. We didn't have as many people. Didn't we go to an easter service. Actually you and. I don't know if it was easter but we did go to a church service and it was too late in the year to be easter. But we did nightcap. So when the governor here in new hampshire christie new created his so called stay at home order we went out the same night it went into effect. That's correct we went out. We were literally there a minute. After it went into effect like at the exact same time we were out partying with open containers in central square. And we did it for thirty six weeks in a row and the only reason we stopped is because it's like seven degrees and six inches of snow everywhere right now presumably when it's warmer will we. Hopefully we won't have to return. But i'm sure nightcap will return if only because it was a good time was a damn good time. I went to a newest one. That's right just one was it. Just i think just went. Well you'll have to come back to more. Because i suspect there will be a demand to bring it back This year so anyway. In their first act they went and held a church service. Which can people being told not to do this. In the same month police arrested. Sarah brady and anti vaccine activists for allegedly trespassing during an anti out protests at a playground closed due to corona virus restrictions. That's we've had something similar happen here. lady in concord was arrested at the playground but later on several months later for taking her kids to a playground. That was closed. Why did they arrest her several months later. What did they arrest her for. I don't recall i. i think it was disorderly. Okay i think her name is rochelle. She actually was at our new year's eve party. Oh as a matter of fact she was one wearing. The tide is short and she was doing dancing so bundy publicize the address of the officer. Who arrested ms brady and lead about forty people to protest. Outside of his home a tactic. The governor called disgusting. But i fully support. They picked up this lady at her home. That's right the one we're talking about anyway. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home. Lives they that. We should respect the idea that they should have privacy in their family lives in their personal homes and so on and so that their off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if they're laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. i'm not the governor. Now i'm just chilling with my found. Now okay then you're laws. Don't apply right now. As soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop ruining people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them and leave them alone in their homes people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay correct. Yeah man in a writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot. Dogs shoot innocent peaceful people. They cats just look that up since you here. Are they look cats to you. What possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat because that have been any more the the more this discussion goes on so people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of being able to dispatch ten protesters to seen in ten minutes. One hundred in one hundred minutes in thousand in one thousand minutes instructed each chapter to launch teams to train in secret for paramilitary operations to defend members from criminals or government agents. Or do i repeat myself. That line was not in the la times but anyway going on in july. He led demonstrators to public building in idaho in town called cal well where they tried to barge into a meeting of officials who are discussing whether to impose a local mask mandate. This is not your building. Bundy shouted as he shoved demand guarding the doorway. The meeting was cancelled though. The health board eventually decided to recommend wearing masks in public the next month and some supporters forced their way past state troopers into an idaho. State house gallery that was closed. Because of the pandemic how do they. That doesn't sound like reality. How do you force yourself past state troopers without getting arrested. Well a police did arrest him twice in two days. Finally wheeling him out of the building in an office chair charged with trespassing obstructing officers he was banned from the capitol for a year in november people's rights members carrying tiki torches. Gathered in front of the boise mayor. Lauren mcleans house to protest. Run virus health restrictions. Many of their roughly thirty demonstrators. Were not wearing masks and several shouted opposition to a city call for residents to report businesses violating pandemic regulations. One woman yelled. Snitch is get stitches to love. It sounds like he's doing good work. Yeah there's more if you want it. Absolutely what do you think about the bundy's it sounds to me like they're they're doing the right now. I support it. I haven't seen anything here. That i disagree with so far so far just about everything. I've seen more men activism has been just awesome true. they're also behind the goldbach hornets. That was one of the activists things. I was thinking about six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty s to call online that six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. Are you tired if governments murdering people around the world stop using their money. There is alternative. Bitcoin is a stateless free market. Non-political currency bitcoin cannot be inflated or controlled by any government by using their money. You are helping the state stop doing it. You have an incredible alternative available now learn it use. It spread it get started with bitcoin. Bitcoin dot com. That's bitcoin dot com. 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If i remember correctly a great place to be check it out at four fest dot party there's an unofficial telegram chat. There's an unofficial forum for up party june. The twenty eight through july the fourth at rogers campground boise there again. Fork fest up. Party is the website. Well let's go to the phones. Apparently some sports ball thing happened over the weekend. And i heard about that. Some people are really upset. Tell us about that turned ferguson. Yeah well i Heard earlier today that That particularly i mean the most insane people in my opinion. And i've been calling for over a year on how insane the less has been becoming. They're really angry that the tampa bay buccaneers beat the kansas city chiefs over the weekend and not because not because they like the not because they yuks are the better team not because they Support the accident in any any measurable amount more than and then to kansas city chiefs. But only because tom brady. Who is the quarterback. I guess who who. I guess at some point got traded to the buccaneers Because he white and and the Quarterbacks the chiefs is black. And they're mad that the white quarterback beat the black quarterbacks. They're really offended about this. Where are you seeing this. I haven't seen this well well. There's there's a twitter storm that's been kicking up Among some of the blue checkmark woke politics. morons out there Including commentators. Lisa and michael smith. Michael holly the end of any of these people are. I wouldn't say that. This reflects on all leftist. Just seems like you saw some crazy people talking on twitter of presumably there's black and white people on both teams usually i. I didn't say anything about race on both sides but listen but these are just some of the The liberals that've been Really angry and upset that That the black quarterbacks for the white quarterback by the way wait black quarterback beat the white quarterback keesa quarterbacks. Beat the black quarterback. Oh yeah yeah. The white quarterback feet the black quarterback. Tom brady yeah. That's the only they're mad about this by the way see. I be mad about the lack of masks once the game was over. This just makes me. I mean sports to me is pretty mindless as but that makes it even dumber for people to be arguing about sports because one guy has a ki skin color that they don't like i mean that's basically what you're talking about. Seems like a small group of people. I haven't heard of this phone. You said it was a twitter storm. Whatever that means. Yeah uh-huh and by the way i should say this is this is. This is pretty insane to be fair out of us. Accidentally like monitoring twitter or watching twitter feeds or anything like that no. I do go on twitter on occasion. While i'm on the toilet Just twitter belong just to see what some people who haven't made the switch to mastodon are still doing over there and by the way i should say that i'm not the one we saw this on twitter. The independent media is covering this big already because of how much blowing up on twitter but these people are also mad. Because tom brady for four years ago was seen with a maga hat in his locker. And they're angry because he he wasn't canceled ever because of that you wasn't fired or cancelled because He owns a maga half and and that also was really upsetting to the liberals and And i think this is being so upset over. What other people do you know what other people are spending their money on their time on. I mean these people obviously obviously have nothing better to do. Maybe that's because they've locked themselves in their homes for the last year and they just don't have a life they have nowhere to go right. I don't know. And i just don't understand the obsession with other people's anything. Well keep in mind. These are all the brunch liberal to these are all the liberals that have everything handed to them on a silver platter and And it's really funny. I think because You know jerome always calls it and talk about. What a racist donald trump is and and how he's been life been like this this This this this really obnoxious unpleasant and Dividing racist over the past four years when he was the president. But it's happens to be the liberals here that are mad that Just a white guy. Beat a black guy and i would really like to hear what jerome has stayed about that because this isn't coming from donald trump this is coming. I shouldn't call on a weekend jerome. I think is exclusively a weekend radio listener. So he's probably barbara. We're just gonna say turned ferguson. Is really generalizing here. He's talking about all. I don't like any generalizing. And he's talking about all leftists. All are dumb enough to act like this and i really don't think that there's a big problem of people talking about this. Even twitter has some people being loud about it. I'm not generalizing. I'm just i'm i'm talking about really i'm talking about really fifty people here and i even named off a couple of them specifically who are acting like a bunch of mork and i miss morons on twitter tired. Thank you so much for the call the update you read off some names from people that i've never heard of who sounds like they're saying some pretty stupid things. If you want to find morons on twitter just search for double masking plenty there. I think is more interesting. That nobody's wearing masks in tampa all the sudden. I have a friend from italy. And she lived in italy of twenty twenty but she just moved to florida and she put posted a video of herself. That like a club or a bar in tampa like the night of the super bowl and she was panning around the room. It was just a bunch of young people really close to each other dancing and talking and drinking and none of them like there was like one mask and the entire video. I washed do i. I was stunned. When i saw the ending of the super bowl because we watched it at work and the number of people not wearing masks in their booths and as they mingled and they celebrated with people after the game it was encouraging to see so few people wearing masks. I remember remarking at that moment. I bet this is already going viral on twitter from people complaining about the fact that they're not wearing mess. That's what i expect people to be upset about. Not the fact that tom brady is white and the other guy was black. That is of no consequence whatsoever. Except for people who obsessive race and people who obsess over people who obsess over race. Yeah i'm just rolling through here looking at people talking about double masking and how proud they are about it. Definitely virtue signaling. A some of them are saying that it hurts their ears but they're doing it anyway because some experts said so. I thought it was more comfortable ono though some are say. Hey you know everybody's got a different opinion about it but some of them are saying. It is more comfortable to wear the double mask. Here's one person presumably just shopping stops to take a selfie of herself and tax it double masking at the best buy. Yep she just wants to show everybody yes. There is no other points this. I've never just been walking through. The store thought now. It's a great time to stop and take a selfie. Well i do that. A double masking. Now what do you think about this virtue signal. Maybe turned his right. Maybe it's a problem what these people are saying on twitter. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero against six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero congressman recently revealed that legislation totaling twenty nine hundred pages and involving more than one. Trillion dollars was available to members of congress for less than forty eight hours to study and consider that's over sixty pages of legislation per hour. 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Money explains rather well as you found then was the one who suggested searching for double masking the first place and as he points out on his twitter at vin armani. He says that double masking is a thing. Helps you understand that you're dealing with a religious phenomenon. When masks become mandated as they are in a lot of the united states right now and elsewhere in the world wearing the mask is no longer a signal of church of woke membership. Therefore the second mask must be added to signal willing participation and indeed. When you see the people with the double masks what you'll see a lot of cases is that they will purposely wear contrasting masks so they'll have like a white mask and then oversaw or over top of a black mask or vice versa or something like that that way you know that. They're wearing masks. It clear right because if they were wearing the exact same type of mask you'd have to look carefully. You'd have to really look at them to see if they were wearing masks may not know how much they care right. So it's important for them to signal that and yeah so this person on twitter says i can't believe some of y'all aren't triple masking yes and this is serious right. These are people being totally serious. I've always been double masking sometimes. Even triple masking. I prefer no masking. I bet they weren't about. They've just been doing massgov. I've always been triple asking. It's it's distressing but we are covering good news at the moment or at least refreshing news. That isn't about crazy people. It's about people actually fighting for their rights and therefore the people at the los angeles times think that's crazy. Well of course they do but they also think that you know wearing three layers of fabric over your faces. A good idea for politician said so so therefore it must be true and some experts. According to this person on twitter said so Do you want to continue with the ammon. Bundy absolutely going on there so listeners Just tuning in. We're talking about an bundy's new organization and new. As of the last year it he created it. I think in march of twenty twenty called people's rights the website is people's rights dot. Org to the los angeles times credit. They did link to his website. So that was nice So but now they've everything they can to bad mouth him Since that point but They're talking about how this organization has chapters all across the united states now he is claiming as many as fifty thousand members of this group and the idea is that it's a group of people. Maybe they don't all agree on everything but they will come together to the defense sort of the mutual defense of other people in their network when called upon and we sort of liken this to sell four one one which is an app that does similar things that hopefully. We'll have some good news for you about later on this week but Just to bring you up to speed here so back to the story here from the los angeles times talking about some of the activism that they've done over the last year like going to the boise mayor's house and protesting outside carrying torches and there were a couple dozen demonstrators out there not wearing masks shouting to a city call for residents to report businesses for violating pandemic regulations. They also protested in the state house. Where bundy was twice arrested in two days there and is now banned from the capitol for year as a result. About what about the rights of a citizen to petition. You know there are senators representatives or whatever doesn't matter they'll ban you from wherever they want in fact. They banned footloose frank. Who was arrested at the governor's house from coming back within a thousand feet of the governor's house really. Yeah as part of his bail conditions. So i didn't hear that. In the next month boise area health board shut down. Its own meeting after a county. Commissioner tearfully interrupted the proceedings to say she had to rush home because people's rights demonstrators. Were harassing her. Family actually saw this clip. It's pretty entertaining. It's probably not them harassing her family. It's just them protesting outside. She says my twelve year old son is home alone right now and protesters are banging outside the door. She said when people didn't flip out there she left her twelve year old home alone. I mean i was staying home by myself. And i was twelve years old. But that's not acceptable in today's society. Staying at home at like seven was babysitting twelve. The interview last month held at a restaurant in emmett. Idaho where he lives wear masks are optional. And few people wear them bunny. Bundy defended his group's method. The government and society are deteriorating courts are unjust legislature tramp legislatures trample rights and families allow the state to educate and influence their children. We can't disagree with any of that. He's right people will need more and more to be able to find security. He said and he said protests could achieve results much faster than lawsuits citing a demonstration that his group staged at a june hospital or at last june at a hospital in olympia washington. Hospital officials at the time weren't allowing a couple to be with their newborn after the mother tested positive for the corona virus quote within an hour and a half. We had a couple of hundred people there at a couple of thousand people coming. Once the hospital started to see there was literally a presence of people. They retracted their position. Blamed it on the government's health department and released the baby to the parents angela. Effective yep a providence saint. Peter hospital spokeswoman disputed the accuracy of bundy's account but said that the patient confidentiality prevented her from discussing. The case asked whether hospital staff members were given a chance to explain their reasoning for isolating. The baby bundy said no. He said you don't get to take somebody's baby and thank you. Have a side of justice. It was black and white last month at the hospital protests in vancouver washington kelly stuart the people's rights coordinator for the area narrated a livestream video on bundy's youtube account that ultimately attracted more than seventy thousand views. The videos of protests are trying to pry open the locked double doors and a deputy spraying chemical irritant in his face. The protesters cheered when the hospital released. Meyer whose tearful daughter wheeled her out and helped her into a van freedom. A man yelled stewart along time. Bundy compatriot berated law enforcement for siding with the hospital. Instead of the protesters she said that right wing activists who joined back the blue rallies last summer and waved american flags with blue lines had been duped quote. We're starting to learn your actually the standing army. Our founders warned us against there just dangerous tired. She said we're having a blue line flag burning party tonight bravo. Oh better late than never for sure. I love the say. Credit to richard reid. The author here. That's a great way to end that story. That stand that's the ending that they're going blue. Burn the blue line flags that's awesome. That's not a bad idea either. But i don't want to encourage the blue line flag people by buying them in order to burn them similarly they already had them because they were supporters during their own blue line flags in that case which is awesome. That is a good innings. I hope they made video of that too. That would have made a great video. It's good to see that you know. His activism is proving successful and that people are beginning to see the police for what they are. Which are the enforcers of tyranny for the state. They're not anything else. No doubt and it's also good to see them using as you mentioned earlier the technology Like telegram signal. These are better than facebook kind of organizing methods. They're not the best they're they're still centralized you know. Telegram is still a company. It sure not a mega company like facebook. But it's still a company and they. They have taken down some chat rooms on their platform. So for the most safe form of chatting on the internet you gotta go with the matrix you really need to look into. You don't have to use our server but if you want to check it out go to chat dot freetalklive dot com and there. There's a instructions step by step instructions on to connect to that server and matrix is decentralized it's polycentric meaning that there's different matrix servers all around the globe so if you've got somebody that knows what they're doing we do like an. It guy he can set that up for you can have your own server or you can use one of ours. For instance you can use our server. Make your own chat room there if you want to. It is cool technology. You're right they do. Use a lot of these technologies that are very familiar to libertarians. In addition to telegram in order to even sign up for the site. You have to have signal because i sent you a text message and whatever it is that they do it has to send you an encrypted text message. They won't assume you'll receive just garbage if you don't have signal. I like that feature signal doesn't send texts anymore. They only use their their network. Now so you won't receive anything if you don't have signal six zero. 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Different guy okay well. There's no doubt that the sports is definitely the part of the bread and circuses. Right to keep people distracted and keep them ignorant about that being they sole purpose on that means. It's good to have some things that distract you from your daily life now and then and i don't think those are ideas necessarily bad everybody's got to have a hobby everybody's gotta have something to To pass the time you play video games when you get the get the time for it or Or whatever everybody's got the thing that they do that ticks away. The seconds until are inevitable demise in sports is one of those things. My dad loves sports. it's really cute. Well i did see that. The super bowl is at the lowest ratings it has had in decades. Apparently thousand five was the last time it was this slow. I thought it was. I mean they said decades. I didn't look at the article. That was just the headline that i saw okay so i didn't look at any articles about it either. So that's good news for our caller there if people are if he believes that sports is this sort of opiate of the masses than that means that fewer people are watching at the very least watching football american football. Mike thank you so much for the call. Yeah he needs to get his phone under control a little noisy there. I started hearing stuff in the background. I was like. I've got to put a stop to this about that. So rush limbaugh is ailing and so is the conservative. Talk radio industry and i picked this. Because i know it's a topic that you love discussing. At least i did not know. I was not aware that the talk radio industry is predominantly conservative. Didn't know that no. Oh yeah absolutely. There was a time in the arts over a decade ago when the leftist tried to like do talk radio and they launched a thing called air america and it just it sailed over like a lead balloon. I mean it did not go very well. They had a bunch of money like venture capital investor types and they ran out of money and shut down there are there are probably no more than a handful of quote unquote progressive talk stations broadcasting in america. Today and we've been stations say tend to be younger people in young people. Don't listen to the radio. I mean that could be a factor in it but for whatever reason there's just not a whole lot of money guess in people being willing to sponsor those stations for some reason. I don't know why that is so rush limbaugh. The most successful talk radio host in history is ailing and so is the medium medium. He revolutionize over the last thirty years based with aging and shrinking audiences competition from newer technologies and financial problems for the biggest station. Owners talk radio is in decline both as a business and a political force once the leading platform for popularizing conservative candidates and policies. Talk radio is now on the verge of becoming background. Noise drowned out by cacophony of voices on podcast cable. Tv and social media. Who's writing the story. Msn dot com. You find them to be exaggerating. Well i mean. I find it to be an exaggeration. The talk radio was ever any kind of a motivational thing. Or i forget the word. They use their. That suggested that it was once this great organizational thing and i think that a lot of talk show hosts wanna make themselves seem like they're that big of an influence but i don't think they are. They're just people who talk on the radio now and they have opinions and they want to believe that people will like follow them or whatever. But i don't think there's any real evidence for any of that. The formats crisis comes as big biggest. Star is battling to stay on the air indeed. He's battling for his life. Limbaugh seventy has been frank about his struggle with what he said. Last year's advanced lung cancer he was a smoker for a long time from what i understand. His uncertain future confronts the talk radio business and conservatism generally with the prospect of losing s. Most galvanizing figure says sleeping from a local local station. Sacrimento to nationally syndicated stardom in one thousand nine hundred eight Limbaugh has been the bullhorn behind every important conservative initiative from the contract with america in the mid nineties to the tea party movement of the obama area era to the ascent of donald trump. Not the contract with america. I've heard about this before was it. This is like where conservative. republicans pledged to be conservative. And they didn't and they made a new plaid sometime in the two thousand to the same. It sounds vaguely familiar and surprise the politicians told you ally and rush limbaugh all along the way making excuses. I'm sure for these people i mean. There's no doubt that limbaugh deserves a lot of credit for essentially being sort of the granddaddy of talk radio in its current form. So he does. He definitely deserves that credit. The article makes it sound like he's responsible for from the shift like originally. You had to pay to get a show on your radio station. And it sounds like according to this article that he was the one who came up with the idea of oh no we can just sell them airtime and they can have the show for free if they will run it. No rush limbaugh is actually one of the few page shows. Meaning that stations actually pay rush limbaugh whereas ninety nine percents of talk shows out there. Do not get paid from the stations there on. We're on one hundred and ninety radio stations over the entire week here on free talk live. So that's how many stations carried the show right and they do not pay a dime to air free talk live and that's true for almost every show that they've got on the air unless they've got rush in which case then they're paying based on their market size so larger markets pay more for rush than smaller markets. Do basically. they're going to pay about as much as they would pay a local talk show host to do that slot. Okay so rush is insanely expensive. Show sounds like it. Yeah early in the coronavirus. Pandemic limbaugh told told listeners that the virus was no worse than the common cold and the the news media had weaponized a crisis to hurt trump. he floated the fringe theory that the virus was created in a chinese laboratory as a bioweapon a few weeks before the november election. He devoted to hours of his program to a worshipful trump interview. After trump lost he amplified the president's lies about voter fraud and at one point suggested that conservative states might secede from the union and then walked that back. of course he's a coward. Yeah the next day. Trump for his part awarded limbaugh the presidential medal of freedom during the state of the union speech last year and it goes on with a little bit about trump. Limbaugh hear them. I said trump limbaugh rush limbaugh. The isn't super important because book conservative. Talk radio's foremost problem. Is how many people are listening. As who the audience they grew up with. Limbaugh is now quite cray largely people sixty five and older fewer than eight percent of those who regularly listen to talk. Radio are twenty five to fifty four according to nielsen's research meanwhile yes meanwhile plain old. Am fm radio. The primary medium for talk programs is rapidly losing ground to newer technology such as satellite radio streaming audio and podcasts. Only fifty percent of those surveyed by edison research last year listed terrestrial radio stations as their first listening choice in a car. The shifts make someone like comedian. Joe rogan libertarian. I don't know about that about that either. With a hugely popular podcast quotes that next rush. Limbaugh let's talk about the absolutely because it it's a fascinating evolution of media here and we're living at six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty six zero three two eight three six one six zero. Are we irrelevant. This is free talk. Live having taken her father's role. Sarah calhoun has fallen out. With one of our best allies. Her brother nathaniel heads into imperial philadelphia with reckless planet. Uncle thomas armed with new powers and new allies aims to remove sara from her throne and for the world of living to survive against the strings. She needs to find an impossible war ceremony. Unite the mound builder gig to enact an agent right. That will propel her. 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According to jim mckay with prevent child abuse west virginia. The state's child protective services. Division is still struggling to catch up from budget cuts during the great recession. He says he points out. Mingo county still has only one. Cps worker for the entire area who handles cases for more than seventy children. That's just heartbreaking. We know there are vacancies across the state in child protection services. And if there's budget cuts of the nature that it's being proposed. Many of those physicians will remain unfilled with devastating consequences. Lawmakers say that eliminating personal income tax would attract more people to live and work in west virginia. I'm diane bernard this is p. Ns electric buses and other heavy vehicles are taking to the streets. Nationwide lily bulky reports for soundbites source. Many of them are powered with batteries manufactured in south carolina. David clayton with clemson. University's international center for automotive research says the fleet services sector appears to be among the first to turn away from diesel and internal combustion engines in favor of going electric that includes companies such as fedex and amazon but also port operations the cranes in vehicles. That handle cargo vote because it makes sense for their business. It's more cost effective approach in some cases but you know they have sustainability mandates and targets that they're trying to achieve tara. The electric battery charging station manufacturer with one plant in greenville and another near los angeles also is working with leading construction equipment manufacturer to electrify off road equipment just last month president. Joe biden announced plans to replace the government's fleet with electric vehicles wyoming lawmakers considering a proposal that would require a governor's order before any of the state's winter. Ill feedlots can be phased out. Jonathan rattener with the western watersheds project says the move ignores basic science and warns. It would make it much more difficult to address. The potential for permanent chronic wasting disease contamination across western wyoming. They're making it much harder to solve this problem by something. In the current status quo which was developed approximately one hundred years ago prior to any understanding of disease transmission issues or wildlife management ethics conservationists warned that feedlots where large numbers of gathering close quarters are potential super spreading events for disease livestock producers and outfitters have defended winter lots to keep elk away from cattle feed and maintain large herd numbers. I'm eric gladys finally. Our ticket off has been talking with an idaho congressman who may have taken the first step untangling the tricky don of dams in the northwest and their effects on salmon representative mike simpson has laid out a thirty three billion dollar columbia basin fund while it includes breaching the four lower snake river dams. It also addresses replacing their benefits such as energy irrigation for local agriculture. Brian brooks heads. The idaho wildlife federation. He says it's critical. Lifeline for the region's endangered salmon and steelhead finally. Finally someone giving us attention to this issue because it is such a big problem because it's gonna require a big solution. Simpson is giving the attention. It serves simpson has been working on the plan for three years in his three hundred meetings with stakeholders over that time. More than a dozen fish species have become endangered since dams were constructed. This is by clifford. Four public new service. We are members of the supported garon. Great radio stations across the nation and online at public news service dot. Org here's a look at weather from the hotline us feet weather center today. Mostly cloudy and cold with a high temp leonine tonight. A slight chance of snow after midnight later turning into freezing break. Low around sixteen. There is a chance of snow before eleven am wednesday. Later turning to a snow sleet mix high near twenty one. That's the latest weather checkout more news and weather on our website at heartlands news. Feed dot com rush. Limbaugh does video as well doesn't he. He does as i understand it. You got to pay naturally see ours is free you can watch us on t live dot freetalklive dot com or twitch dot freetalklive dot com. You can watch us later on youtube if you want to do that for whatever stupid reason by the way. I talked to jeremy from library over this weekend. They had the porcupine day festivities in new hampshire on saturday. But actually bonnie and i both went to. I took the night off from the show to go to this. This was the five year celebration at the free state. Project held to sort of call a closed their five-year move window because that started in february of two thousand sixteen so it is now over. That doesn't mean the free state project is is over. They're going to continue recruiting people to to migrate here. As as i think that they should do. I used to think that they should shut down. But they convinced they They were pretty persuasive that they've been doing really well in the last couple of years. Anyway jeremy kaufman. Who's the founder of library. Which is a decentralized blockchain based video hosting service which is an awesome thing by the way l. r. y. dot com. He was there. And i did speak with him. They are in the testing process of doing streaming library. And so we're sort of on the shortlist of shows that they they may be coming to get kicked off right. I would hope that they wouldn't kick us off because they came to us a long time ago about librarian. Freetalklive is on librarian. Freakiness on library so it seems like a no brainer that we should also be streaming to to their new website which is called odyssey o. d. y. s. e. Okay so that's sort of put a front end if you will onto the the whole library thing. So they're competing with with youtube as a decentralized system what i did learn about library streaming is it's actually still centralized so it's not peer to peer streaming. They're not doing that but they do have their own centralized streaming services like all right. We should be on that. So hopefully we'll have something to announce about that sooner. Rather than later. I keep intending to put bad movie club on library. But i haven't actually gotten around to it. We watched Shark to push versus well wolf and it was. I cannot recommend it got even as a bad movie. It was one of those made for sci-fi bad movies that you know was going to bat and it's trying to be bad for the side channel. Yeah okay and it's it's not enjoyable. There is no humor in it. I regret the fact that i watched that it was no shark. Nato then I haven't watched shark nato. I did watch shark and saw women's prison massacre and there's video of that if you wanna check out that's bad movie club dot. Us oh really. Yeah legis four-star youtube channel but us that money goes to the us government right. I didn't know so. I do not know that then. But that's the url at the moment. Yeah hey so. What do you recommend like what you've you've been doing this bad movie club. For how many weeks. Now maybe two months. What's the worst. What's the best worst movie. You've seen killer. Raccoons too dark christmas in the dark and style gloriously. Stupid no but if you really wanna go all out there and see the worst of the worst. It's dude bro. Party massacre three. Okay there is no one or two obvious dude. Bro party massacre. Three the dumbest thing you will ever watch and you will be dumber after watching that. I don't know if i wouldn't go that it's bad enough. Just reading people about double masking on twitter. It's up there with double and triple masking killer. Raccoons too dark christmas and the dark though is enjoyable. And it's i would recommend that one okay so back to the subject of talk radio. Conventional radios decline appears to have accelerated sharply during the pandemic. Yes it has. And that is due to also. It's happening to news media as far as like newspapers also was on a decline prior to two thousand twenty but definitely declining more sharply after that. And that's because frankly advertising dollars dried right up. So you know. Companies that were actually advertising on the radio in in newsprint. For instance probably television as well that we're advertising now. All of a sudden didn't have customers coming through the door so they didn't have the budget anymore to actually pay for the advertising that they were doing so you had companies that we're advertising cancelling at ads like basically saying. Hey we don't have any money anymore so we can't pay you for the ads that we already agreed to buy so some companies just same. Sorry and then. So how do you keep your radio station on the air. How do you keep your newspaper in print. If you don't have any advertisers i mean. These are historically ad driven business models in that whole business. Model just evaporated basically overnight. Thanks to the government in their various different restrictions. So it's it's tough out there for a lot of radio station owners. Although it's probably even tougher for the big mega corporations because they already had huge debt loads that their companies were struggling to pay off prior to cope it. They were already companies like iheartmedia which used to be known as clear channel and cumulus media. These are two of the largest companies in america both of them have gone through bankruptcy proceedings in the last several years last few years as the government gives them money to stay alive. That's a good question honestly. I haven't heard about that happening. It wouldn't surprise me if they have. But for whatever reason. I haven't seen the news on that. The story mentioned stat at some point and it says they filed for bankruptcy protection or something. I don't know exactly dead meets but it probably has a help. Talk media that for last year. One of the only things that we've really had to talk about has been the pandemic otherwise news has been extraordinarily slow throughout the last year. Yeah and i hate it and people are probably sick of talking about it sick of hearing about it. Daily commutes have been disrupted by stay at home orders and a new work from home culture wiping out part of radios lucrative quote. Drivetime audience unclear whether those listeners will return after the pandemic subsides traffic jams return. That is true. I saw the numbers about that. Npr was publishing and that their radio listenership dropped by like twenty five percent really. Yeah because people aren't going to work talk radio older demographics where weakness even before the pandemic said jerry. Del kalaiana and new york university business professor turned off by the hosts. Occasional nastiness and seeking younger customers mini blue. Chip companies have stopped advertising on talk. Radio shows leaving the stations with smaller sponsors. Pay less yes. Some advertisers will not by talk. Radio doesn't matter whether it's left or right wing or whatever they will not by what is considered controversial programming because they don't want to be associated with it. Don't want to be part of some sort of boycott of that kind of publicity. So they stay away from it and that has resulted in. And i think they're about to say this in in the article but that's resulted in a different kind of advertiser. You'll hear people like not that. I listened to show but i've been told that this is going on By by mark edge one of our co host that you'll hear rush limbaugh doing what they call per inquiry or per acquisition calls so or or advertisements in that means that if rush limbaugh's like promoting thing on the air and you call the number that he gives out then rush gets paid so they didn't pay rush to do the ad they pay him on the back end. If you know they sell a tractor or whatever it is that that's how it often works to advertisers as well. You know these. Vpn companies like finding youtube channel senate special url and if someone actually uses that url yet okay yeah or like affiliate links to correct so for for a company like referred for broadcaster like rush limbaugh to have to resort to affiliate links of the equipment the radio equivalent of an affiliate link. Yeah that's that's a tough time so limbaugh style talk. Radio was originally. A solution to the industry's technical and business problems by the nineteen eighty s. Am radio had lost out to the higher fidelity fm band s the preferred medium for music. The most popular kind of radio programming as rock pop country and other formats migrated to fm am stations facing exit-entry crisis. What to do the answer had news. Neither of which required high fidelity limbaugh proved to not only be wildly popular but also cost effective in eight. A savvy former. Abc radio executive. Pant they They fluff out a lot of this. All they had to do was carry rush. Limbaugh's program set aside for minutes per hour for ads. That mclaughlin's company sold to national sponsors and the station has got to sell the remaining commercial time to local advertisers and according to this they got russia's show for free that must have been the early days because that changed say nineteen eighty-eight so six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free. Talk live divvy. He's been a pretty good investment for free talk live their ad campaign started in september two thousand nineteen and from mid march to mid july. The values soared by ten times. It's not too late. New wallet hasn't even released yet and other things are happening that i can't even say on the radio. If you want to invest and potentially do well go to divvy project dot org. I can tell you that f. t. l. is deepening partnership with the guys from divvy project. Dot org past performances not an indication of future prophet divvy project dot org d. i v. i. project dot org. 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Suddenly i got bad for a within seconds got banned for posted i had made on december the fourth more than a month before So i don't know it was that about. I don't recall okay but That's suspicious the last time. I was banned. It was because of something related to bitcoin and immediately afterward. I got hit with another thirty day ban. So it's the it's hard to even be upset. You can just do other things with your time. Yeah well i never used facebook much anyway. Because every time i post up getting bad no matter what it is that i post it's stupid. I don't know why i keep doing it. Except it's such a miniscule team to me that hey if it works. I might as well say something there and they just like being abused. I don't know not buy into. Let's go to the phones. You've got the anarchist's republican calling our republican. You're on free. Talk live yeah. Greeting semantic kanda montana. Hello anyway Yeah this is talk about The decline of talk radio is really distressing to me especially given the deep platforming and the other media outlets are because they seem like they're just all On the same tate's the same left as you know Propaganda gets his perpetrated on them. And it's sad to see the decline of it. But i can. I can attest. It's true because I've got the point where the radio is my main media and the local station here. I mean the only play about six different commercials all oh commercials than i mean. I used to get real angry about the commercials you know because they they drive me crazy and then i realized wait a minute. You know these are the people that are supporting your information for them. You wouldn't have it at all. So i mean sometimes they play three or four times an hour the same commercials because betas a bad thing and we and we gotta realize just how much information the great thing about radio is that at night you know you can pick up stations that are thousands of miles away and people just sort of find you and that's how i found you guys. I just happened to tune into you. Yeah i love. The internet doesn't isn't quite like that. The internet is can be controlled and the internet. You seek you generally have to seek out what you're looking for. It's very rare just going to stumble across a signal on the internet. Like you can on radio. And i don't think that radio is on. Its last legs. I think that you know even though it is having a tough time right now due to an and it's not just the pandemic or the government restrictions associated with it. This has been building for decades for talk. Radio in the nineteen ninety s. They had what they called. Consolidation happened in the business and what had happened. Then was the fcc under. I don't know if it was clinton or where it was but at some point they changed the rules to allow one company to own more than more than x. Radio stations that. I remember what the number was but there was a very low limit on the number of stations that one company could own generally and then they they did that limit and it made it so that these companies could buy up tons of radio stations. So come what they did. And that's what they did less than iheart to route enormous numbers of loan right so they bought a bunch of these mom and pop radio stations up and then caught all this debt and then what happened in the in the next decade so not long after in the next decade in the arts. Well guess what. The internet came along with this unexpected competition to radio. I mean some of us could see it coming but the radio business certainly didn't and so then all of a sudden these radio stations had limited competitors on various different broad internet platforms and now as a result of that the price of radio stations started going down and so they'd poured all this money into these stations and then when they tried to sell them later on they could only sell them at fractions of what they had originally paid for them so they've been upside down. On these radio stations. For decades radio disney went on went under a few years ago and literally sold their stations off for fractions of what they paid for them. Sounds like that base os zuckerberg or you guys. Just buy up all the radio too. It's like the newspapers well. They haven't done that yet and if they did try to have you if a if you can buy it for a song ever existed on this planet economics though are that if you start going around trying to buy all the radio stations then all of a sudden the prices are going to go up so that wouldn't be a smart move to make in that particular care but if you're ryan you're right because that's how they get their she. Does those newspapers. They don't really care if those newspapers make money. Those newspapers are just of their voice. Yeah republican thank you so much for the call. I tend to agree with you in. I don't think talk radio or radio in general is going to die but it's going to have to evolve in some ways. Well it did wore my heart when i learned that bonnie who is in her early twenty s actually has listened to the radio. Okay that is good. That was a surprise to me. When i found out that not only has she listened to broadcast radio but has actually listened to. Am radio are you talking about custody. Coast whatever whatever it was. Yeah coast to coast but the point is like generally you don't consider young people to be radio listeners. And i think that's probably true. Generally i mean. Do you know do a lot of your friends. Do they actually listen to the radio. And i don't know anybody that listens to the radio. We all connect our phones via bluetooth to our stereo and we stream music from spot. Yeah the least. I think the least relevant radio out there is music radio. I mean why would anyone listen to it anymore. There's what can you get from usa radio. That you can't get online from a zillion different locations know. I mean and only thing that they have is some program director who picks the songs for you. And if that's what you wanna do. There people online that do that as well. I mean there's also features on spotify where they create a new playlist for you every single day with some artists. You liked those artists and you may never have heard of. I love that is apple music. But i love that on apple music because i just can't remember songs that i like also just shows you new music that you like a discovery factor there and of course then you all you have to do to find out what the song is actually look to look at your device music radio. It doesn't have. I don't think the staying power talked does even though this article things talk is on the way i think just in the process of changing well mark. Mitchell would talk radio. You hear something different every single day. I mean there's no doubt about it. When i try here. I listened to the same two hundred songs. All the time we'll talk. Radio is always different. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty hi. I'm derek j. I don't want a politician to represent me to me. 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And you'll be kept in the loop with free talk live i am in. It's free talk. live talk. radio control six three two eight three six one six zero. It's the number talk about whatever you want. Six zero three two eight three sixty one six eight weeks tonight. It's aria bonnie and ian and we've been here on talk radio talking about the decline of talkradio ian as you mentioned earlier. It points out that you know all of these forces are converging on conventional media and they pushed the two biggest station owners iheartmedia cumulus media to file for bankruptcy court protection in two thousand and seventeen in two thousand and respectively. These were the economic str- circumstances prior to the covid restriction. Yes and cova just has exacerbated the situation. It was seem because advertisers tried up. Everyone's shopping online local newspaper. Here in keene new hampshire which has been around since the seventeen hundreds. It's the oldest crap. It's the old late the late seventeen hundreds but still. It's the oldest newspaper in new hampshire. From what i understand. So they've been around long enough. They've got their building paid for right like tape. They must own the building by now. There's no more so the you know. They don't have the biggest overhead as far as some newspapers. They're not renting fancy facilities in new york city here so they were begging for donations to stay in business because they're they had advertisers anymore and they obviously wanted to continue operating so they asked for donations from the community and they got they got around forty thousand dollars in donations on the first run through that i saw them doing. I don't know if they did a subsequent one but you know good for them. So are they still in business they are. Let's go to the phones. We've got david calling from new mexico. David you're on free talk. Live under the heading of sell four. one one. I got a question on that combining some elements that you set your program tonight. You're talking about the ammon bundy and and some Protests to salvation activities that were going on without and Don't wanna draw on somebody said on your program multiple times the past. Is that the the only thing stopping people from having the government they deserve as composers to as opposed to the government is being forced on them. Is that That thin blue line guys out there that are call yourself a thin blue line. You could be working for us for the people but instead you're protecting the The power hungry money hungry Oppressive governments and if what you should do is turn your lying around Posing them and fighting for us. And that's what you need to do and just remember guys that When the people finally get control of this you had better have turned around by then. Because if you haven't you're gonna get the you're going to get taken down and it ain't gonna be. I think it'd be fun for you thumb. it's tough though. I mean to be in that position for for somebody who might be a police officer who actually doesn't want to go along all this tyranny How do you flip if you feel like every other officer is going to be against you know then you just know. You're going to end up in a prison cell for doing that. So that's not going to move a lot of these guys have families that they take care of and at the end of the day. It's the state that cuts that check. And they're not gonna feel like they've got a check coming in from just average people even though i think some people would step up to support them if they made the flip if they flipped actually supporting freedom turning against the state and like went and arrested politicians or something like that. Donate to that. At least at least you need to begin preparing the mentally thinking. Think about it that at the very least they'll keep it to themselves and when they see the tide is turning until the very last moment and turn on the oppressor remember. There's already sheriff's deputies. They're all around the country that are already stating publicly that. Hey we're not gonna follow you. Know the feds are the federal. Police are being forced to enforce These various dictates and the local police especially in the form of the county sheriff's because the sheriffs are elected and they can't be fired by the governor or whomever the state police can. They're already saying. Hey you know. Don't come around here because you're not welcome here and we're going to oppose you right up to the point where there are many counties. That says we're the sheriff said we're going to deputise every damn is in this entire county and arm them all if you try to come in here in boston around and that's what needs to be Followed through on and your for one one You know keep us posted when that. is Active in in being able to be used. Because what we need is more of those gatherings like you had you had one family and one infant in question. And i don't know how many people had showed up at that but that's what we need is a cellphone one to put out an alert. And then if if there are half a dozen or a dozen government officials oppressing a couple of citizens than a hundred of us show up and outnumber them and then when they thank you david. I did that on purpose. I mean he's basically describing the whole reason cell phone was invented in the first place and he's right on i mean he he was on a roll there but i agree with what he's saying. I mean that we've seen the the numbers work in our favor and you always work in your favor. And that's why. I think that just a couple Cops here and they're turning on the government and just staying cops and deciding to do what's right isn't really that's just like government solution like there are plenty of other jobs. They should just quit in not be cops. I would agree. Quinton become like a private security worker or something. Sure look at the threat. Defense center. i believe is what it's called in detroit for a great example of a privately run defense organization that you can hire to patrol your neighborhood to give you self self-defense. to do twenty four seven security. They've got different levels of service that they offer The people of detroit that they serve and they've been doing it for several years now at least maybe most of the last decade. I'm not sure when they were founded but garrett ian from freakin dot com went out there and actually met the owner of threat defense center. I believe he came to. I don't know if it was like pork. Fester liberty forum one year or something like that but i don't know how libertarian. The guy is but he's competing with the police. That's really also. I hope he's being successful. But i mean as they're still in business as people's rights dot org and so forth one have pointed out you know what we do need is a large number of people a glorified technologically capable neighborhood watch. It isn't about snitching to the police when something happens about helping one another when someone needs it. It's about instead of going to the thugs. We just give each other a helping hand. S a wonderful thing and i'm and bundy has proved that it works. Go ahead and it's definitely a solution for when the police are the ones oppressing you. You obviously can't go to them. Yeah ideally you could go to the sheriff but that's never how it actually works out. I apologize it's threat. Management center not threat defense center in case people were out there looking for it in detroit. Threats management center at management center very cool. Check it out so the financial pressures on humulus. An iheart make them unlikely to invest in the one thing that might save political talk radio local personalities. I agree. I think the best thing they could do to save talk radio would be to actually stop censoring people to actually created a platform that is known for being friendly to free speech. Lending people speak their actual opinions. We do that here we do. But we're one of the only ones do and we're not run. By cumulus and iheartradio. How many saintly hold on i want to give credit where credit's due. We are heard on cumulus in iheartmedia stations. So i mean they're not the majority of the stations that were heard on but we are heard on several of them. Sure so you know that's good we're not owned by them in the sense that you know and because cumulus was in the news recently for telling its talk show hosts that they were not allowed to say stop the steel on the air right and so that was like the first time in my history of working in radio where i've ever heard a corporation coming down and telling its talk show hosts that they cannot cover certain subject. That's pretty scary stuff. So it's been noted that sports talk. Radio has fared relatively well with hometown personalities. Yakking about local teams but hiring. Local host is an expensive proposition. rosenthal set. Am radio is an imminent danger unless someone comes along to invest enough to enable it to become a local medium again. Yeah i mean. I wish i could say i'm optimistic about the future of. Am radio. but i can't i mean i. I love broadcast radio. And i hope today. Am can stay relevant but it's day by day. It's getting harder and harder. 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Finding and six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty is the common number if you want to call in and talk about whatever is on your mind. It's been a great show. We've been talking about talk radio and how it's generally in a state of decline. But you think you have an idea of how it's going to adapt or evolve. What's going to happen next at the very least i don't know i mean i've got some predictions. Let's call them somewhat educated guesses. I've been in the business for a couple of decades now and but paid attention to what's been going on and and the the talk radio business and just radio in general has had a tough time over the last two decades since the internet became a competitor radio and broadcast television for a long time. Were the only game in town. Besides the newspaper right like if you wanted entertainment. That's where you went And then of course cable came in in the early nineteen eighties and more channels to the television experience but for the longest time radio didn't really have much in the way of competition. Satellite wasn't really a thing until the last twenty years right. Internet radio started in the late nineties. But it really wasn't a thing until later in the arts and so what changed for radio was all this competition came in. They thought the government was going to protect them from competition. That's what the licensing process does the right the government licensing process whether we're talking about being a restaurant or whether it's you know whatever other government licensed business keeps competition out and so radio. Big corporations thought they were just going to be able to rest easy by up a bunch of radio stations and just kick back and enjoy the money rolling in but internet changed the game and it made it so anybody with you. Know five bucks a month could go and sign up at live three sixty five or whatever i heard. They're still in business but some website and allow them to stream. Whatever music they want a two-day whoever's was willing to listen and there are thousands of internet streaming channels out there and this and i'm talking about before pandora and before you know spotify or whatever these apple music these sort of on demand services are out there so there have been competition to radio now for twenty years. They didn't expect to happen. And paying. licensing fees to the federal government isn't protecting them from it anymore so they're sort of stuck in a real difficult situation where the only thing that they can do and this article did reference it to stay relevant is to be local. Because that's the one thing they can do pretty well that like apple music. Do right like apple. Music is gonna feed your music. But they're not going to be able to tell you what's going on in downtown fill in the blank city. They're going to be able to tell you where the concerts are back when we had concerts a or whatever things are are happening. How depressing when we added concert right and maybe someday those things will happen again. Hopefully a but the point being. It's something that radio could do. But because of all the consolidation that happened in the nineteen ninety s where these big companies got bigger and bigger and bought up all these stations and subsequently went bankrupt.