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264 | Whisker Rebellion
"Welcomed aaron mckie's cabinet of curiosities production of heart radio and grim and mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book all of these amazing tales. Right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the cabinet of curiosities. Aristotle once said that envy is paying the good fortune of others seeing someone something we want doesn't instill good feelings within us. A breeds resentment and anger and it can make us act out in unbecoming ways. Wolland rollie fingers didn't know that he was jealous when he caught a glimpse of reggie jackson walking onto the field in nineteen seventy. Two fingers in jackson played for the oakland athletics baseball team as pitcher and outfielder respectively. Jackson had arrived at spring training that year sporting a brand new mustache a blatant act of rebellion against the unwritten policy that forbade players from growing facial hair. Would it became clear. That jackson wanted to only stand out apart from the rest of the crowd. Fingers and a few other players thought that they'd play a little prank on him. He and his teammates like jim. Catfish hunter grew their own mustaches. To now what they expected was that the as manager dick williams would tell everyone to shave them off including jackson. Williams was a conservative man. Who along with other managers believe that players should be clean shaven at all times instead team owner. Charlie finley got wind of what fingers was doing. He thought the small rebellion would be a great way to draw. Crowds out to the stadium to see all those moustachioed men playing ball. Finley even offered a three hundred dollar incentive for any player sporting a mustache or beard by opening day which she happily paid after fingers ran to the mound wearing what would become his trademark. Look and epic handlebar moustache. And just like that. The pitcher had become a member of the oakland a.'s. Infamous mustache gang. What finley hadn't counted on was fingers actually liking his facial hair rally like many athletes was a superstitious fellow from the first pitch that season the as started winning games so there was no way the mustache was coming off then as long as they were winning williams and finley didn't care whether they're players wore a pencil moustache goatee or a big white beard like santa claus. Heck finley even grew one himself. Fingers played for the as for another four years winning three world series championships and earning an mvp award. Then he signed with the san diego padres played from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty before moving to the. Milwaukee brewers sadly a series of injuries and health setbacks kept fingers out of his nineteen eighty three season with the brewers and they needed back surgery to remove a herniated disc the year after that but he did eventually return to the pitcher's mound almost as good as new. The brewers released him in nineteen eighty-five when he was thirty nine years old now for most players that would have been the end of their professional careers but fingers still had some fight left in him. Cincinnati reds manager. Pete rose saw that fight and tried to get him to sign on with him. There was just one. Catch a rule that had come from the team's owner. Marge schott which. Every player was forced to obey shots. Beloved saint bernard shotsie was the only living thing allowed on the field to have hair anywhere but the top of its head and he player working for her was required to shave their facial hair if they wanted to put on a reds uniform. Rollie fingers didn't much care for shots rule by nineteen eighty two. He'd become the first pitcher to reach three hundred say's and he was just over six years away from being inducted into the baseball hall of fame yet despite his impressive career many fans today remember him for just one decision that changed his entire life fingers all set to join the reds in nineteen eighty six but the blanket policy about no facial hair. Just didn't sit well with him. He got on the phone with the general manager to work out a deal but unfortunately shot wouldn't budge. Fingers hoped to play ball. He had to follow the rule. The mustache had to go given no other option fingers put his foot down for good each owes his mustache over his career. Officially retiring from professional baseball in nineteen eighty five. This episode was made possible by crimes of the centuries. Crime is so commonplace that it takes something particularly shocking and horrifying to be labeled the crime of the century. Even so many of these crimes have been forgotten or lost to history until now crimes of the centuries is a new true crime podcast from award-winning reporter. Amber hunt and the obsessed network. Each week amber takes a deep dive into one of these crimes telling forgotten true crime tales. That you've likely never heard. Before episodes included two hundred twenty year old murder that brought together alexander hamilton and aaron burr as lawyers for the defense also jazz age thrill killers a murdering grandmother serial killers. You've never heard of and so many more crimes of the centuries rediscovers the true crime stories. That shocked the nation cases. So unbelievable that we thought we'd never forget them. But somehow we did until now hear these stories right now by finding and subscribing to crimes of the centuries. Wherever you get your podcasts just one family was responsible for all ninety seven lighthouses. Built along the coast of scotland between seventeen ninety and nineteen forty today though. Scottish lighthouses are automated. The weather beaten light. Housekeepers were replaced with computers. Tungsten bulbs were swapped out for. Led's it was the process of change that comes for everything from the past as new minds experiment with past achievements. But it's still a story worth telling in part because like many ambitious and important projects it all started with tragedy. That's when robert was just a boy and his father and uncle had died. They were merchants from glasgow and they made their living shipping goods across the atlantic on a trip to the island of saint kitts though the two men got sick when they died they left roberts and his mother at home in scotland to make do life was hard but robert's eventually met the man who would marry his mother and light his way forward. He was a tinsmith a skilled mechanic and crucially a lamp maker and he had just been selected as the engineer for the new northern lighthouse board so young robert became engineers assistant that meant. He had a lot of learning to do but he took to the rocky crags of the scottish coast and the calculations of stone and light like no one had expected he was an excellent assistance and in just a few short years. He was on the job. Supervising the construction of lighthouses that his stepfather was designing engineering. Became his trade to. Maybe robert thought about the death of his father when he stood on a cliff's edge in looked out over the ocean the rocks and reefs off scotland's coasts had taken thousands of lives in one spot east of dundee about six ships were wrecked every winter on an underwater shelf of sandstone. It was known as bell rock. Probably because in the thirteen hundred's a warning bell had been built but it didn't last and robert knew that nothing protected ships in that spot. Now people were losing their lives and their livelihood there every year generations of were being filled by the sandstone hazards so he got to work building his most embassies project in fact the project was so difficult and so expensive that at first the northern lighthouse board thought it was impossible but when the sixty four ship. Hms york went down on that spot and all four hundred ninety one members of the crew were lost in the regime. Breakers that put the project and emotion. They brought on one of the most esteemed engineers of the day. John rennie to help with the design. While roberts and his building crew tackled the construction work and it was a heroic challenge. Not least because they could only work for a few hours each day at low tide before the water swept in and reminded them that they were building their tower on watery graveyard but after four years. The work done. It's an incredible feat and it's still stands today. The oldest see wash tower in existence built down into the partially submerged reef. It was a kind of wonder of the modern world. it wasn't just lighthouses that robert engineered though over time. He came to design and build bridges roads and railways to but it was his inventions of new kinds of lights for lighthouses. That earned him the most respect. He even got a medal from king of the netherlands for that. And that set the tone for the family roberts. Three sons followed in his footsteps. They became a whole family of engineers and in the years that followed from seventeen ninety all the way up to nineteen forty. Eight members of the family became engineers experimented with new technologies and built the ninety seven lighthouses. That still light the north sea and the atlantic. There are a few interesting things about that though. Not least family saw their work first and foremost as a duty to the nation rather than taking on patents on their inventions they offer them to the world without expecting anything in return without trying to turn their most helpful contributions into a new tide of wealth crashing into their personal coffers but not everyone in the family was equally ready for the family. Business one man who was named after that original robert found that it was the adventure on the high seas and the drama of life and death on the open ocean that set him alight and in fact in the years that his family trained him to be an engineer. He learned something altogether different. What i gleaned. I m sure i do not know he said but he had already determined to be something else he loved the arts of words and he said that everything he learned from hardened sailors. Ingenious technicians interested me only as properties for some possible romance or as words to add to my vocabulary. We can be grateful for all of that. Learning though the stormy seas and craggy rocks of the scottish coast became the setting for some of scottish literature most beloved stories when that robert put his pen to paper he set tails on scotland stormy coasts and engineered plots that would light the way for the coming generations of adventure seekers with a monumental achievement that rings down through the years like the lighthouse on bell rock. It was the second robert who put the family name in lights when he invented a crew of wiley brigands in the wake of his father's journey to the caribbean and robert. Louis stevenson became known as the author of the most famous story of piracy in in the english language treasure island. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. Podcast dot com. The show was created by me. Aaron mckie in partnership with. How stuff works. I make another award. Winning show called lor which is a podcast book series and television show and you can learn all about it over at the world of lor dot com and until next time stay curious.
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"Border security. I'm Ed Donahue with an AP news minute. President Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the Mexico border stands in the house as our two hundred forty eight and the nays are one hundred eighty one two thirds not being in the affirmative the veto of the president is sustained and the joint resolution is rejected in Chicago. An angry mayor Rahm Emanuel says it's a whitewash of Justice charges were dropped against empire. Actor jussie smollet. I've been truthful inconsistent on every single level since day, one of not be my mother, son. If I was capable of one drop of what I choose was accused of lying about being the victim of a racist, homophobic attack in Chicago and Capitol Hill today, President Trump said Robert Muller's investigation gave him a clean Bill of health. It was proven verse Rollie. No. Obstruction? The president took a victory lap on Capitol Hill talking to GOP lawmakers after release of the Muller report, I'm Ed Donahue.
FTP096: The Shadow In Personal and Collective Consciousness
"Hey, and welcome to future thinkers dot org. Hot cast about the evolution of technology society and consciousness. I might you'll end in a you've even ova if you new to the show, and you wanna get a list of our favorite books, popular episodes, and to join our community, go to future thinkers dot org slash start. Oh feature thinkers episodes. Are now in video to watch the premiere of each episode and joined the discussion live subscribe to our YouTube channel at future thinkers that org slash YouTube. Shutter, new course in personal. Evolution. Art, one is on cultivating, sovereignty, and is designed to support you in developing more clarity about your direction and purpose in life making better decisions, and having more agency to live your life on your own terms are two is on integrating, the shadow, and is designed to support you in overcoming nihilism and tapping into inner source of energy, creativity and wisdom to make meaningful progress towards actualising your full potential. To learn more, go to courses that future thinkers dot org. All right. Today, we're going to be doing a quick one. I think on the shadow in the union sense. So the shadow is, essentially, anything, you are afraid to look at it can be repressed emotions, repressed desires can be sexual can be anger can be a lot of different things. But essentially, it's whatever you don't wanna look at whatever you repress about yourself. Yeah. And so a lot of this gets formed in childhood because as kids, obviously, we express all of the different emotions in all of the different behaviors in some of them, get positive responses, like, oh, you're a good, boy, or you get a treat or whatever. And then the other ones you get reprimanded for gets sent to your room. And so you start to learn pretty quickly that, you know, certain behaviors produce good outcomes, and certain behaviors produced bad outcomes as so you're start hiding or suppressing the bad behaviors because you wanna have you needs met obviously, you don't wanna get sent to your room without dinner, or with a dessert or. You know, you want your parents to buy you that video game that you really want. And so with time all of those emotions and behaviors just get suppressed and until they stop being part of who you think you are, because as you get older, you develop a sense of, who you are developed this personality, and a lot of those things and the being outside of your awareness. You know, you think of yourself as a good person, therefore, you're not angry, your hateful or jealous or less full or, you know, misbehaving in number of ways skin, this played a lot in the last decade, I would say, in sort of this d- masculinization of the western world. This idea that most forms of expression of masculinity are toxic that aggression is not useful in modern society dominance is not useful any of these sort of, like. Weekly active, sometimes violent urges are just not welcome. And what ends up happening to the boys who are told that this isn't a is over time. They, they start to repress those feelings those urges. And they feel impotent feel weak if feel repressed in there, sort of. Let's say repertoire of emotional expression like four men, a lot of the most common forms of expression. When there is like difficult, emotions to express comes out in anger so society, that tells them anger, not okay. There's no form of anger. That is, is justifiable to express, whether it be physically or emotionally or verbally, all of it all above is not okay. Then you can kind of see the sort of crisis of masculinity, that's been happening with young, young adults males, especially, I think there's another aspect of this, where not only does this affect men. It affects women is repression of masculine tendencies, because it's not like masculinity is just man femininity is just women. It's crosses boundaries. Right. We've that's something we've been learning guests in the, the adenoma, how you'd say the modern interpretations of gender that genders flu. Did all this stuff, which I guess, in some ways, it kind of is. But it's like I do agree that people can possess both sides of the spectrum, but we're looking at masculinity is something that is mostly full of negative qualities. So when those tendencies tend to get repressed, we get very weak men feminist movement, people who are unable to stand up for themselves unable to be physical or express themselves in any sort of physical way, especially when for men, that's like, it's a strong desire to be competitive to be on a team sport to lift heavy shit, and move it over there and be of use to women. You know. Yeah. And it's funny because even saying some of the stuff could be considered politically incorrect these days. Yeah. Yeah. That you would say that men are like this on women are like this even though, men obviously, on average have far more to stop stone, and they have different physiology in their bone structure is different. And they experience life differently because of those things. So we, you know, let's go get back to kind of general repression since repression in, in the shadow. So how did young define the shadow as far as you know? So his definition of the shadow was every part of ourselves that we are not consciously aware of so it could actually be positive or negative. So you, you can repress positive qualities, for example, if as a kid, you were reprimanded for being too spontaneous or to creative, or you know, starting to sing in class, even though singing might be your talent. But in classes, not appropriate. And then you learn that singing is not okay. And you start repressing that urge or it could be something to do with your sexuality where you repress it so much. Because maybe your your mum was very puritan and anytime she, you know, cut you. Playing having some are recreational time. Yeah. Having some are she would, you know, shame you and spank you and just like take away your video games, and your learned that sexuality is not okay. So then you end up growing up to be an impotent person. Imagine I think we need to get the timelines right here. You start masturbating probably around thirteen right? Is mom really gonna spank you for master? She going to take that risk. No, it's not a real question. It says, I know I know it's not. So when I was growing up us us kids were like exploring our differences, in anatomy, starting at the age of six or so. So we weren't exactly masturbating. We were just kind of looking at each other's John comparing it. So, yeah, we were young enough to get spanked. Okay. So. Kind of a different thing. It's like looking over the offense at the amusement park, and then the other ones like riding every right? So anyway, about repressing positive emotions. A lot of the time, emotions are actually linked. So if you repress anger, you end up repressing ole high-energy motions in one way or another because it's not, you know, emotions are quite fluid. Sometimes fear excitement can feel very similar in the body. Actually, there's, there's a system. I don't know. I don't remember it's called you probably know what it's called where you, you try like reprogram your reaction to things. So if you feeling nervous before going on stage people give you the advice that you should actually kind of rewrite that thing in your head is a feeling of excitement. Like you're just you can't wait to go on stage and talk to people, and actually does kind of transmute the emotion in your mind. Yeah. I don't know if there's a term for it other than emotional alchemy. Yeah. But I mean, it goes across the board with other things like aggression. And anger could be used is like exertion of will. Yeah, it's very energizing, for example. Sometimes you see athletes trying to purposely get themselves angry before competition because it gets the endorphins going. Yeah. So when we repress, a lot of these quote unquote, negative emotions, we actually end up repressing love the positive emotions. So what can end up happening is that people just are unable to feel a whole range of emotions. They're unable to feel joy love. They can't get in touch with their creativity. They can't get into flow. They just feel the sergeant and depressed. And actually, at worst, this can end up, causing mental illness, like the epidemic of depression anxiety in developed countries. I think has a lot to do with this. I mean it has a lot to do with other things as well. But I. I think this kind of not doing proper self care is definitely big contributed to it. And then the other thing is that it can actually cause physical illness. There's a French doctrine. I can't remember his name, but he famously cured many, many patients off backaches and spasms, muscle spasms by allowing them to release their anger. So anger actually, not just anger, but a lot of the time when you repress emotions, they get stored in the body in the muscle tissue in the Fashoda, which is like the connective tissue between everything. In economically 'cause physical illness is not crazy. Yeah. I mean like the, the placebo effect is a powerful thing. I don't see why would be any different for repression. I mean, I know I think a lot of people actually use their body is kind of like a, a competence in some way of, of what's going on emotionally. What's going on mentally, like backaches, and like for me that's, that's it. Like if I'm getting a back ache or I've short sort of shoulders sore neck, it's stress. Yeah. It's always it. It's not, because I'm not sitting properly because I can go for weeks, sitting in properly, but be a really good mood in the have no problem. But it's just that little bit of like either financial stress or business dress or whatever. And it just like it compounds in media tightens up everything the neck. There are a lot of different ways. You can unr- oppress the shadow. Why don't we talk about that on the podcast many times before we've talked about a. Meditation technique that I think works quite well. So I you know, we've talked about so many times before we actually had a meditation out that we're gonna be relaunching in the next couple of months, hopefully that will go over this technique in it's basically three different styles of meditation. I one is focused mantra meditation, so you focus on an object or a, a word mantra, something that should have no meaning to you, and it's like that's like a flex as far as, as far as like a if you wanna compared to lifting weights next one is open, awareness, meditation, open your senses, the aware of everything in the room, you can have your eyes open during this type of meditation thoughts. Come in. Let them go in the third. One is focusing on difficult emotions. So each each process is about ten minutes in you go through them. Ten minutes at a time third one difficult emotions. So anything that, you know, you recoil from can be fear can anger can be sadness can be some sort of event in your past that causes you trauma. Could be some sort of thing you're frayed of in the future. Death of a family member or a loved one any of these things can actually work, I've gone through this for years, and years, and years. And this is sort of how I've been able to handle fear, especially as it has to do with entrepreneurship taking big risks traveling to new places like making my home base in third world countries, that's both of us have done this. So really works to get past in uncover some of these things that you may have repressed at some point in the fourth one, we've actually added in planning to add into the app in the future is going to be a loving kindness or gratitude meditation. So just to kind of, like, you know, you've got the focused, which is the flex, you've got the open awareness, which is the release of the flax, and then it's almost doing the same thing. Emotional is flex in. The gotta tude is released. Yeah. So, yeah, I think this is this could be really helpful thing. If you guys don't wanna get the app to set a timer for yourself. On your phone and ten minutes time. Try and go through this once a day. It's really helpful. What are some other techniques for actually getting over, or first of all, uncovering, what you've repressed and then getting over it, one of the concepts that we haven't talked about yet is projection. And this is something that happens when we repress traits or emotions within ourselves and we can't admit them, but they don't really go away like they need somewhere to go. So we ended up projecting them onto others. So when we see another person exhibiting, the kind of behavior or emotion that we repressing, we have a very strong emotional reaction to it. So this can be something that we hate in ourselves or something that we deeply desire ourselves. Yes. So it could be something, like rage anger. Hate jealousy desire for power money, which is part of the reason why people are so obsessed with celebrities, because, you know, these celebrities are exhibiting traits that average people don't express themselves. Don't allow themselves to admit that they have. It's no wonder we vote in the politicians that we do as well because, you know, this, this lack of feeling of sovereignty and control and power in your own life. And someone comes along and offers the answer to every problem you have ever had in this confidence in powering way in you go. Yeah. That guy that guy's going to solve the problem yet totally. So we kind of project this father figure until a lot of politicians ending that, you know, daddy's gonna come in, and protect us, and solve all of our problems, and especially you can see this in times of chaos and turmoil and confusion like we see in the world right now when we don't feel safe. Yeah. What we end up who we end up electing. Are these totalitarian populist leaders who are just, you know, strong, willed and come in with an iron fist and fix everything. So we were talking about solutions or techniques to get over. It's what is the one for projection? Right. So there is this technique that was fine neared, or invented by Ken Wilber. I'm not sure it's called a three to one technique. So this is where. Take third person perspective than second percent in the first person. So I you imagine a person in your mind that you have a lot of emotional reaction to. And it's probably easiest to start with a person in your own life, like, maybe it's your partner, or coworker, or your boss, or maybe one of your parents, so somebody that you have a lot of kind of emotional turmoil. With in you. Imagine some of their qualities that either really upset you or that you're fascinated or obsessed with. So, for example, this could be on the negative side. It could be like a rage hatred jealousy in on the infatuation. It could be something like somebody so talented or beautiful, or they expressed their six Rollie in this very freeway. And so imagine them in your mind and imagine their qualities very vividly, and then write them down and third person. So, you know, he is so angry or she. He is so talented, then you move onto second person. So you have imaginary conversation with this person in your head, and you ask them, what are you trying to show me? Do have something to teach me. Why are you doing this to me? So this is what we've talked about quite extensively in the past before, which is seeking attention. So you're not listening to the words that they're using you're trying to figure out what it is inside them. That would produce the words that you're hearing. Right. So how would you get to the exact same place of saying the same words that they are? You have to understand their emotional state. They're their history, their background and make the same make yourself go into the same state that you would make the same decision and say the same things. This is a deep understanding of intention, not just I'm hearing you say words in interpreting those words, However, I see fit. Yeah. But a lot of this also has to do with the motions and traits. So not in thing that applies to what I'm saying too. Yeah. For sure. And so here. We're, we're having this conversation imaginary in our head. Right. So it's no holds barred, you can save whatever you want, and then you record again your findings. Like what did you ask? What did they respond to you, and then you move onto first person, so you try to executives, you said, you try to embody what it actually feels to be in their position. You know, how, how does it feel to actually embody these emotions? How does it feel to have these traits? Does it feel liberating in some ways or does it feel constricting, you know cetera? And then finally, you recognize that these are actually traits that you also have, and then you work to reopen and reintegrate them to become part of yourself again. And so this actually is a common practice when it comes to shadow work. It's a way to become whole because whenever we cut out different parts of human experience or different emotions. Different behaviors we just end up becoming smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and then we just end up in this tiny little box instead of being everything that we could be in. So this doesn't mean that, you know, well, humans have a capacity for evil in humans have capacity to murder and hurt. Others doesn't mean that you have to just go out there and manifest all of those things, it means that you have to accept that you have these tendencies, because you're human being if a human being has them because it helped us survive in the past our ancestors, and then, once you accept them and embody all the feelings that come with it, then you can wrangle them, and then you can learn to channel that energy into something else. And actually, this is one of the things that I've noticed with shadow work is the immense release of energy that happens when you finally accept all of your emotions, it's like is like a fountain that. Suddenly comes out of nowhere, and you just feel so alive like every cell of your body is just lit up. Yeah, I feel the same way. This is like the technique that I use when I'm trying to let go something that's bothering me in the day. Because for me like I've done a lot of that meditation worth that have talked about before and tried to dig up past memories in traumas. And now I feel like most of that stuff's kind of dealt with. I'm okay with my past. And now it's about new things that come in and for me, every time, something new that comes in is, is really upsetting could be usually it's just business. That's pretty much only thing. Bothers me nowadays, it will also triggered by it. I want to feel unsafe suddenly and then if I remember fast enough, the thing, I do is accept as trying be okay with the situation. Just accept just all it ends up being is I repeat to myself over and over. I accept the situation unless it and I feel immensely, energetic in, in, in revitalize after that, after that process. Is done. It's not like I'm fighting against anything. It's not like every avoiding thinking about it anymore. It's just like yes. That's the thing. This is the state. This is the emotional state on myself in, I accept it. It's fine process and then you're done. It's awesome super easy. You some something that, yeah, totally actually just reminded me that one of the things that can often hold us back is the fear of the emotion itself, not of it. Not even the fear of something that can happen. But if you're feeling things because we've been repressing them for so long, not allowing ourselves in a lot of the time. It's things like fear so fear of fear, where afraid to, to be unsafe and to feel fear. And so, we don't do things that could potentially produce fear in so creativity is actually one of those things that gets completely decimated. If you're afraid of fear, because it's all about the unknown a lot of the time. You don't know what you're going to create you don't know how it's gonna come out, you don't know how people are gonna react to it. If they're gonna love it or hate it or. Ignored which can sometimes we think you brought up an excellent point about how people react, people want to be perfect. The first one to do something because they're afraid they're going to be judged. They don't want to iterative with feedback from other people they wanted to be perfect so that they will be judged as being perfect in that fear of like not being perfect or be being perceived as an idiot is what prevents you from ever trying in the beginning. So I think that's a huge important point to take notice of their yeah. And so a lot of things anything creative anything to do with art anything to do with innovation anything to do with risk-taking with business. You know, with creating something that's never been done before. If you're afraid of being afraid, you will completely shoot yourself in the foot and will not even be able to start and then it's funny because sometimes it's almost like a, you know, when there are two magnets, that are just there's like a force field, that's preventing them from touching each other. So when you come close to that emotion, you're like. Oh, I don't wanna feel this, and you just do a one eighty in then because especially when people are not aware of what's happening in their bodies are not aware that this is actually going on there. Analytical mind switches on and starts making up stories and excuses for why is this happening? It's so funny. How common that is, isn't it? Like you, you don't wanna face the thing. So the intellect just justifies every single cowardly move you take in response to that. Yeah. We'll, you know I have a duty to my family, and I don't want to disappoint my father, and I'll probably fail anyway. I don't know if this is gonna work. So I just I'm not gonna try. I don't think it's gonna work. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not relieved that talented or that smart and. Nine hundred ten businesses fail. So I'm not going to try this and actually. Well, you know, the grapes, are all sour anyway. I don't want them. Stupid. Anyway. Never wanted it. So the next thing I wanted to. Yeah, I just wanted to loop it back to projection so and this projection is again another band aid solution. So we just project all of the qualities that we wish we had the nuts or the guts to embody the guts. Yeah. The we wish we could embody would just project the Monte others and put them on a pedestal, and I'd allies them because we realize how difficult it has been for us to embody these qualities. And if these people can embody them and be out there and up on the stage and doing it and trying, and failing, they must be super human. So people do this with people like Yulon mosque or different gurus or, or teachers or, you know, Dalai Lama, whatever whoever your personal heroes are or musicians or celebrities where we just think that they're gods or superhuman somehow but actually a lot of the time is just persistence in getting over fear and being in the right being in the right place at the right time, which again, takes persistence in getting over fear in the giving of refusing is really interesting. I remember having a conversation with someone quite recently about this about how the thing that you're most afraid of if you tackle that I then it cask. Gaid's across all of your other fears because the thing that you've gone after that's really, really difficult that really has that magnetic repulsion factor to it. Once you realize how easy it is to get over that. It's like wow. Everything's comparatively easy. Like I could I could at least attempt the next thing, you know, and then you get into a habit of like one after the other going through these things, and you realize they're all not so bad, like taking that first trip alone to some foreign country or you know, starting a business or any number of things asking her out. It's like they're all kind of the same level of, of like that's a scary risk. And I could lose really bad, if I take this risk, but await it was totally worth it, even if I failed it was worth it awesome. Then what else can I try? Yeah. So it's compounds, you know. Yeah, when you say it's easy, it's like. It's still challenging to go three Macktaz challenging, but the, the dealing with the emotion becomes easy. That's what I'm saying is like when you get enough practice dealing with the emotion it becomes easy is just practice of courage. It doesn't mean you're never gonna feel it. But like the act of doing whatever might still be hard. But I think with enough practice the getting over that fears. Gets easier. Yeah. One of the other things is that we also have a lot of cultural baggage around certain things or personal baggage like, you know, maybe, if some childhood traumas around certain things or a lot of cultural narratives around another thing. And so these kinds of things seem to almost like cluster. So a bunch of negative things will be clustered around each other in so the fear of something might actually be associated with ten other things that are bad. That's an interesting thing, no wonder people get caught up in different kinds of neuroses or like they kind of create a web of their own reality convincing them that certain things are impossibilities in their lives. And they never ever attempt anything that they would like to do like I've seen this just in conversation between the two of us about different thing because we've been together like nearly ten years now. So we've had lots of conversations that have related to like, something, I'm afraid of or something, I don't wanna face, and it's like you start to kind of build these. Models of each other's minds and realize that like a wow, you've built an entire world. That is like a reason that you can't do something. And you've got reasons in all stashed in all different areas. I'm not saying that's the thing that you do so much anymore or that I do so much anymore either. But it's like it's definitely. Interesting to watch the, the massive frameworks that people build the massive stories that the intricate it's like game of thrones in someone's head this other reasons that they don't do something, or do something that's really interesting. And if you trace it all the way back, it might have been just some light one little event, one event with. Yeah. And then just cascades, cascades perpetuates. I want to kind of abstract level up, and I'm not we've never done this before. So I'm not sure how to do it. But I wanna talk about talking about the collective shadow. Yes. Sure, let's do that. 'cause that's that's a tough one in it really requires that you, you, you are able to process, your own stuff before you start seeing, you know. Yeah. Exactly. It's really hard to see the collective shadow, if you because people have that tendency of thinking their unique, like everything they do is unique in every problem, they have is unique in, and, you know, they wanna be special, it's a natural feeling but I think understanding that, like your problems are not that unique. Everyone's got something similar in. You look at the world and you recognize oh, this is like everything we've manifested in the collective world materially or otherwise, is a result of how I'm afraid of this thing. And you're also afraid of this thing in Europe. Also afraid of this thing. And together, we made the world that we live in. Yep. Really fascinating. When you see the, the kind of meta narratives that all come together that will collect in, in connect. So let's try and think of some. Well, the point about politicians being a reflection of our collective unconscious in our collective shadow. I think is a really important one. But this also reflects in our institutions, because actually, as you pointed out, very accurately that a lot of this world that we've built is a way to avoid fear uncertainty. It's not even so much. I mean originally probably was more to avoid dangerous actual physical dangerous. But with time it became a way to avoid even feeling fear. And now you see the extremes of this happening in universities, where free speech is being taken away, because people are afraid of feeling a little offended fuelling, afraid feeling triggered feeling offended. Yet, all of it, man yet I think you could just start with this one thing. How is the collective consciousness? Avoiding fear, how is it trying to feel safe and you look at you can look at any event, you can look at how? Americans responded to nine eleven how they voted in different politicians throughout the years going forward, you can look at the metoo movement. Maybe we should come up with specific examples. Actually, that might be more helpful. Sure. Well, for example, build a wall. You know, the Trump slogan. Yeah. Build the wall. That's obvious. People are afraid of something he stoking up that fear in. It's not even that he's doing it. It's already there Jan people shafts really just responding to what is already going on in the collective consciousness US. So that, that actually is a great example like life isn't the way. I want it to be locally where I am where I look around at my little town or city or whatever things don't work very well for us. There's a lot of problems with drugs. There's a lot of problem with crime. I mean, this could be any city. But let's just like make a pretend shitty city. It's hard to get employment. I haven't got a raise in forever. I'm about to lose my job or sewn. So across the street. Just lost his job. Now, you start to have this kind of collective feeling of things aren't, right. There's not an abundance of what we need to live happily. And then someone comes along and goes, there's the problem. It's those guys over there. You know, provides a thing to point the finger at and then offers a solution that collectivize everyone wraps you around this, this, this way to avoid the problem. The deeper problem and it ends up being build a wall, or deport all the Muslims or that kind of thing. Yeah. Or let's go to war somewhere else. Yep. I think it's a little, we've oversimplified this little too much, but well, I think it illustrates what's happening because a lot of the time, people point at leaders, like Trump or, or somebody else that they don't like or don't agree with and say, oh, it's their fault as they've done this. But they don't understand how all of us have collectively contributed to that happening. And because we're is the shadow. We are unconscious of it. We don't even see it. This is why we've been talking for so long it relates to the course that we produced a lot of interviews that we've done a lot of independent episodes that we done about why it's so important to work on yourself before working on trying to save the world because I think this, this point about when you understand your own shadow in your own problems. Your own fears insecurities you can begin to project that out in the world and understand, like oh, this is I'm not unique this exists all over the. World. And if I'm trying to solve this problem this way by changing the world other people are trying to solve it in the same way by trying to change me that work. Do I wanna change for the sake of someone else to someone else wants to change for the sake of me? Do should I'd like institute laws that prevent people from acting in a way that I don't like it's like it's all kind of the same. But this whole idea of avoiding fear, especially when you're, you know, you have a different background than someone else. You know, this could be divided. I guess down the middle with left and right politics. It's like left doesn't understand the right. Right. Doesn't understand the left. None of them want to understand each other. So you get this division and then you've got this idea that I don't want to look at what makes me the same as those people. Or what makes me feel insecure about the way they behave? So I don't want to even begin to understand them. And now you start to enact policies that try and limit their ability to express in. Do what they do how they see they should do something goes the same on both sides. So I'm I'm I don't know if I explained that well, but I'm really what I'm really trying to say is so much better to know yourself before you start to try and change the world. Exactly. What I'm trying to say because a lot of the time you'll end up doing it just to fix some sort of unconscious problem that you have inside of you, and you're basically trying to take away other people's sovereignty, so that you could feel less afraid. Yes. Exactly anything else, you want to say before we wrap up here. Sure. We'll actually somebody asked in the comments in wanted us to talk about with some things that we've learned from the first group of the course and appropriate for this. I think it actually really relates because, you know, we're talking about how when you do a lot of shadow work on yourself. And then you talk to others. You realize that a lot of the stuff is really, really common like the patterns that people have are so. Credibly common. And this is something that we've noticed in our courses. Well, like the problems that people have are very much alike. It's true in and they think they're so unique in, in this isn't a slight on anyone. It's kind of a normal thing, too, because you're the only perspective you got, you know, you think your perspective is so unique, but it's really not so many other people are dealing with the exact same should as you do. They, they have a phone. They have notifications coming in. They have work. They have, you know, they have to go to bed. They stay up late. They watch game of thrones like the got a thousand different things that they do that. A complete similar similar to you. It's no surprise that they would have similar neurosis or problems or worries or wants or needs desires, or anything like we have no idea. How a like we are across the world, not just in our neighborhoods. So what we've noticed in the courses how, how often people seem to think their problems are unique, which prevents them from actually figuring out how to relate to others who. Have the same problem in figure out where you know where we can help each other where there's common ground. Huge one they think that their problems are in fixable because they're unique. Nobody understands me and what's ended up happening in the course that I find. So amusing is we've made a few lessons that kind of directly address some of the problems that we've noticed people have either from talking to people in the group calls or from surveys, and stuff. And what we've noticed is that people will come up and talk to us in private later, after a group call or after lessons been released and ask us like did you just make that lesson for me like that is ample about me? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's happened so many times so weird that we get all these private messages. Like. I really think, and I want to say it's narcissistic relief kind of is a little bit, but it's like it's totally fine. It's, it's normal. But it's an interesting awakening moment when they realize like, oh, other people have that exact same thing. It's not about me. This is this is the normal problem, you know. I mean how many times does that happen now? It's really funny. Yeah. Another thing that's happened is another also pattern done is just so ridiculously common is that people, especially smart people really love understanding things conceptually, but they don't know how to apply it, and they don't have any experiential knowledge of it. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the that's that that results in that attitude of I already know this in, they read the words in in you get, I think there is some sort of internal recognition to even if you've never encountered that information before, you, you internally recognize your because a lot of it's just kind of comments. Sense advice for being human, right? But then they don't recognize how they are actually really bad at that thing. They think because they know it intellectually, they know it experience, which is completely not the case. So that's why like every lesson has got like a deep hardcore kind of exercise to go along with it. That makes you face. The thing makes you practice the thing. Yeah. In this. There's multiple levels here too. Because knowing something until actually is one thing than experiencing it once or twice is another thing, and then practicing it is another thing, and then mastering it isn't even deeper thing. So just because, you know, something doesn't mean you've experienced just because you've experienced a dozen in that you can practice it or can show it to others, how to do it in doesn't mean that you've mastered it, and we're trying to aim for mastery because a lot of the stuff or at least experience, at least at least know the thing because you've done it. Yeah. Any other patterns that give noticed in the course that interesting or something that you learned from facilitating people want connection there starved for connection and because of that isolating feeling of, of believing your problems in your position your situation is so unique you don't actually end up reaching out to other people, very often to try and establish some common ground. So I find people are very isolated. I mean, that's, that's essentially the reason for for the group calls, and that's the main benefit people get out of it. I think is that you get to connect with supposedly like minded people, but it's a really diverse crowd of people. Very diverse. It's just privately. They're the people who have tried to solve their problem by looking for a course or something. So I think that's a surprising. It's not really surprising, though. But because I know I know people are depressed. I know people are lonely, it's a very, it's very easy to see if you're just browsing YouTube or read it or something. But. I just I guess, I didn't realize how common the problems are people have how universal they are. Yeah. And what I'm most fascinated by is the link from would we're talking about the shadow to the collective shadow. What our society manifests, as when all of the individuals are afraid of the same kind of thing are the same baggage or trauma. It's just a lightbulb moment. When I, I suddenly like grasps all my own issues, my own fears, insecurities in problems, and then recognize them and everyone else, and then looked at the state of the world it was, like, whoa. This is so much easier than I thought it would be, you know, do you know like so many things. I mean, it's, it's a problem scale though, because every single person has to have this realization on their own experience. You can't like prescribe it to people. You can't just tell them like everyone's gotta go through this thing. And it's really hard. It's kind of like the process of adulting, or, or growing up or transitioning into some sort of next phase of life, that our culture does not provide any transitionary you could say right of passage. Ritual or anything. There's just nothing. So we just are perpetually kind of adolescence never crossing the threshold of becoming adults never realizing that, while exactly what we've been saying that our problems are not unique. There's it's a collective thing. Yeah. And speaking of the collective, there's this really interesting thing that emerged in the call. So the first few calls it was kind of everybody was talking about themselves, and it was very disjointed. And then eventually as people became more comfortable being vulnerable with each other as they realized that, well, actually we're not also different than this collective consciousness began to emerge. And so what ended up happening is that people would just get into this flow state where everybody would say the right thing at the right time, but they weren't saying it for their own sake. They were saying it for the group sake. Like we were all we all had little pieces of the puck. Zyl like a higher dimensional puzzle that we're all creating together. But none of them, none of us could individually see what puzzle was. We'd just each had a piece, and then at the end, it kind of became revealed and became clear. Oh, this is what we're all trying to figure out collectively and it relates to the suspicion that some the people had about us, making example, specifically for them. Which we didn't the same thing kind of happen in the group calls people were blown away by how the thing they'd been thinking about for the last several days manifested in the call. And they got the answer. They're looking for from, like four or five different sources in the call, and in it was just like a story. A narrative was just forming of its own accord, with everyone. Just adding little chunks of it. Yes. Super interesting. Apparently, a lot of people were experiencing synchronicity is a lot. Yeah. I think with collective intelligence, the same thing is happening on the world where everybody's really confused. Nobody really knows what's going on, and it's becoming harder and harder to make sense of what's happening in the world from an individual perspective. But all of us collectively are trying to make sense. And each of us has a piece of that puzzle. And I think that sometimes when people feel really lost, or nihilistic, they feel disempowered. It's really helpful to remember that, that there's actually a greater consciousness that exists, and I'm not talking about in some Bussan's. There's actually tons of research about collective intelligence on how it works. And I mean it's been found in plants and animals and bacteria and fungi in subatomic particles. Like literally, everything that exists on this planet is a multi species collective consciousness, that's been around since the beginning of time. So it's something that exists it's something that we're all apart of in. It's trying to figure things out whether we individually know it or not. It's funny, you know, I'm, I'm writing the script for this collective consciousness or intelligence video right now. It's a it's a long one. Some new research right now in one thing, I've been thinking about a lot lately, is what is required to establish a functioning collective intelligence in a group small group or large group in one thing, I keep realizing is that your, your desire to be perceived a certain way or to be to do something. It's usually about your own perception. Actually, I can't really think of anything else, it's like personal agendas, IGA yet, it's but it's mostly about how you're perceived by the group. So I you know, one thing we noticed that the beginning of the group causes people were kind of sizing each other up, like in some of them admitted to this admitted this to us privately like, yeah, I wasn't sure how I look fit in the group. And I was kind of like trying to size people up and see if it how smart they were my smarter than you know. Okay, I'm, I'm definitely smarter than you just like figure out where they are. Yeah. Figure out where they are. Yeah. On the hierarchy in the group, I found that really funny, but then over time we kind of like established I think, through you and I being a bit of an example of it. Like, okay, agendas are off the table. We're not doing agendas here. We are going to try and see what emerges out of conversation with each individual expressing. Whatever kind of thing they want to express, like, let's may be a deal with trauma. I if you got some issues something, you want to get off your chest something difficult. Let's discuss that let's help you through that. But then, when we're all done, let's see where the conversation goes. And that's to me. That's become the key thing that I've learned through the research of this video producing is that you have to suppress your ego in your desire for for how to be perceived or to have an agenda. You have to suppress that. And then let the group be the priority. And once you do that it's fuck. Amazing. We'll see what happens out of that. Like I've never experienced that before I've never seen it before except for what you and I do. Yeah. Like to me, it's just it's just a one on one thing. I've never had it in a different context. But now suddenly it's a group whoa. This actually exist in a group context, so it gives me a lot of hope that the that. The world could do this. Like I don't wanna think too big. But I mean I do think that. It's, it's kind of a simple mechanism of, of creating a cohesive group structure. It's really about, like, okay? Suppress your own desire to be perceived a certain way in just be selfless. Just go for the group dynamic yet pay attention to what other people want. Yeah, yeah. And I think that to loop it back to shadow work. Sometimes it helps to do that. Acceptance I that, yes, you have traumas. Yes, you have issues. Yes, your fears and insecurities. Yes. Things might come up that might make you motionlessly react. But just accept all of it. It's okay, you're fine. You know you don't have to be perfect. You're part of this group, you're safe here. This reminds we've another thing that we discussed one of the calls, which was about when are you done? And I've, I brought this up because a lot of people were discussing traumas in. I just kind of wanted to have thought experiment, not, not trying to rush anyone through anything, but I was like, okay when do you guys feel you're done like you've processed all the traumas of your life. And now you can just look at the present in the future. And a lot of people at the beginning were saying, I think, even even you're saying this to that. You never done Zoe something more process. And I thought about that in, in kind of like a cultural narrative context of, like what have we been told our entire lives going through through school? In the way we've been raised what are people being taught in universities in high schools now about trauma about trigger warnings. I hate to bring that up all the time, but it's, it's really true. Like we are collectively being taught that there is no end to fixing yourself that you are broken. It's like straight out of the bible. You know, your sinful you're broken, and no wonder we never get past that, that desire to like self express in fix in, in expressing my trauma, because it's just I feel like it's part of that narrative that just makes you keep searching for things that are, are necessarily there. Or mix you keep rehashing reopening old wounds. You know what I mean? So in so I wanted to ask the group like when do you get to a point where you're starting to make new ground or you starting to process things that are coming in? You're not adding to the bucket of trauma. You're just processing things in real time. And I mean the group kind of came to a pretty cohesive agreement on. It's about it's not like you are done forever. It's about how how quickly you process things. In the magnitude of which those things affect you. Yeah. So you're basically, if you think of it like a sine wave in an audio kind of context, you want the sine wave to shrink infrequency, and shrink in, in amplitude, so that you're just one like thin line in how you process events, does that make sense? Yeah. Instead of like every little event causing you to make a giant wave. And then you've gotta take weeks to get over that thing, and then or like a good thing happens in your just like on cloud nine and then you, you kind of recover from, from the good thing that happens in go into a deep depression for weeks after that, like, really what we're trying to do is string your reaction time to things and then shrink how much it affects you. And it's, it's funny because you wouldn't necessarily think that like shrinking how you react to positive things would be a good thing. But it actually is. I feel like I feel way more blissful not reacted. Not having a strong reaction to most things. Just be like this is the flow of life. It's beautiful. No matter what happens. Yeah. That's so much better. I think. Yeah, we agreed on on India because I think that people weren't just talking about trauma. They were also talking about growth and self development. Yeah. Yeah. I think there was miss miscommunication there. So when I said that you're never done. I meant that you're never done growing. You're never done awakening, your yours like life. Just keeps unfolding but yeah with trauma. I definitely came to an agreement with that, that you, you do you've got are finite amount of time between now and the past I mean, it's, it's continually going. But unless you're like living in a fucking horrible set of conditions where you're every minute of your existence. You're adding new. Do things new traumas to your life that you have to process, which most people aren't, I mean, like, really, we're in the western world. You can't be constantly traumatized every minute of every day. So you have like a finite list of things or very slowly growing list of things you can't actually process most of that stuff and you can start by going for, like, probably let's say seventy percent of the worst thing that you can think of go for the worst or go for the seventy percent thing. It's, it's not quite the worst, but it's pretty bad and try and process. That thing trying to accept it. Try and sit with then you realize like, oh I can go. I can go more hard core in what trauma, I'm working through. And then what ends up happening is that from that seventy percent in onward level. You end up automatically clearing out everything below that you know what I mean? So you don't actually have to sit there and battle in the sewer with every single little, like, micro aggression, or trauma, that you've ever faced throughout your entire life. You kind of just clear all that away. Because you've gone through in processed a big event that somewhat relates to all of those things. Yeah. That does happen. I think there's another important point to note is that people's capacity to process, emotions in deal with things has been decreasing lately, because there's too much to Malaysian the nutrition in the food has been really decreasing in. There's a lot of sugar in all kinds of crap, that they put into food that actually reduces your immune system. In makes you less capable than there's all the distractions. You know, people are dictated to their phones, people spend a lot of time indoors. They don't go outside like extra spending time in the sun and sun gazing, if you can get into that is really, really good for your health, and it increases your immune system, just by you know, vitamin d. Yeah. Just by sun exposure, and taking supplements, vitamin DS, actually really bad for you. It doesn't do the trick at all. Like you actually just have to go out in the sun. And so all of these things compound like. There little compounding stressors, the just reduce your capacity to deal with things. There was one more point. I would just want to get this last point out before we go because we wrap it up here, but. One thing about a modern lives that I find to be. Interesting distressing in very common. Once again, is the fact that we all spend so little time, actually letting the mind do nothing. Right. And I was thinking about this generational. Difference between are connected generation anyone basically post millennial and the baby boomer generation. So there's this this demand of the environment for the baby, boomer generation, which was basically just like have a family work hard, and you will have a good life, like take care of your people. And, and that's pretty much it, I the one main difference, I can see that technology in connection in internet in all of that stuff has created is this demand for thinking high level thinking, and what I've realized in doing this podcast, who you're interviewing people whose I q is just off the charts in. I actually have to like change my diet pre interview to be able to keep up with some people, and like one of our most favorite guests that we've ever had on the show sell smart drugs, and obviously takes his own medicine. You know Daniels mocked burger. Those episodes are like everyone's favourite. It's because he so, so intelligence sewer take Hewlett enjoyed green hall as well. And I don't know if it's the smart drugs who knows. But it's like what I'm saying is that the brain consumes a lot of fucking resources, a lot of resources. So we're living in a in a an environment that requires so much more thinking, we're always on always scrolling were always communicating were always like doing work. We're always thinking about what happens that what has to happen next because they're so little time to actually just relax. And if you take that time to relax you're actually giving up opportunity like. There. So I guess there's so little to go round. Or at least that's the attitude that people have doesn't mean it's necessarily true. But people feel like they're so go round that they have to constantly be striving to get ahead in. So when the way to get ahead relate so much to thinking hard nosed, like grinding kind of thinking it's no wonder all we wanna do is veg after browse do escapist type things we were talking about techno music. Yes size. This is this relates. So, you know, I was I was in the gym today listening to the shit asked music. They have in Bulgarian fitness centers in. It's just like repetitive. Techno repetitive. Repetitive repetitive. It's in that build up and dropped at the are easy. Fucking terribly aid it. I mean, I've come from listening to, like, tool and metal and all kinds of stuff, inter-caste classical. Yes. So I was like what kind of environment produces? A culture that, that makes this music, the most popular music that makes like people that, that creates a demand for this music of why we recently made a friend who's talking about techno in like, really explaining it to me, because I don't I don't get it like any most electric reschedule don't get it. I'm like this is so repetitive. And she was explaining that it's actually about the feeling it produces, which is generally about escaping your head, right? As o k I get it because I, I like being in the head, you know, I like tool because I like thinking about what's happening? I like the layers. I like you know, I really liked to be engaged with it. And if I go to a tool concert and probably just sit there like this in like be thinking. Nodding my head and thinking, I'm not gonna be dancing or anything so. Yeah. So this relates so this escapism from from being in the head is that's, that's the most common feeling that people have they're always in the head, right? Always worrying about the next thing always having to focus and never getting that chance to unfocused in, like, taking some ecstasy in going to a rave, or going to, you know, electric music show is like that one time of the week or the month or the year that they really truly get release, and I stopped at pretty much at that moment, I stopped hating, the music, like I don't like it. But at that moment, actually felt kind of bad for the culture that needs that escapism you know, that creates demand for that kind of thing. So a lot of things to people are -cation for the same reason, I know there's so many things I mean so much about the modern world. Of entertainment and. All the things that people tend to spend the most time on when it's not work is really about getting out of the head escaping something living in some fantasy world. So I wish we could have like a, a reclaiming of, of, of the brain of the head of thinking. Like I wish we could reclaim it. So it was fun. Again, there's the other side of it, though too. Because, you know it relates to the people that we're talking about our chorus who just want understand everything intellectually, don't, don't experience it. It's a habitual problem. Yeah. So it's, it's a problem that's kind of both sides. I think it's like the disconnection between the body intelligence and the logical cerebral intelligence, because we have different kinds of intelligence is in our body, obviously know where multi-billion-euro organisms that have spent less time involving in, like, it's an added of process, we've just added, you know systems on top of systems, so we have different ways of perceiving, the world making sense of things in processing things, and since we're so disconnected from the motion in the body. Aspect. We just think like the intellect is all that there is pretty much, you know, if if you ask a western person, where their self is they would often say, in my brain, that's me. But that's absurd. You know, if you guys haven't listened to our episode on deconstructing your identity, where we talk about, you know, your ideas of what's you. And what's human, we talk about that, like there is no center, actually. It's. Well, there is a center, just doesn't exist in anything that you typically dente fi as there's nothing. There's no memory there's no system. There's no state that you can like latch onto say that's me. None of it. There's just awareness, which is not thinking, yeah, there's nothing to do with thinking, so disconnect. Right in the shadow work actually really helps because then you get to unrest, all of your emotions in feel things that you not allow yourself to feel and you connect to the body, and then you become healthier your release stress and maybe pain or a lot of the time, people have addictions, too, because they have repressed emotions in their bodies desperately trying to get some sort of feeling that you've been denying it in it gets it in the only way that it knows how I video game or drugs or porn or whatever. Yeah. So I mean, what's the solution to that? I, I would say just like. Fielder things will set us. Yeah. Exactly. Like feel the feelings except but also set aside time to just be off. I mean I need to take my own advice on this. We've been working so hard lately in a not doing that. But like that's what meditation is supposed to do in. That's why having a meditation practice. That's why practices always associated with meditation is because you have to like, make it a daily thing set aside time to do it. Yeah. And also taking sabbaticals from a technology in from thinking or planning or whatever, just. Have a day, you know every week or every couple of weeks or every month, whatever you can set aside, just unplug unplug from thinking, analysing, planning, and technology. Are we done? Yes. All right. Thank you guys for listening. Didn't expect this one to go, so long, but we I guess we have a lot to say on the subject. What else do we want to say here? Check your interest in the chorus yet, go to courses dot future dot org. We have worked on it. 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"Did you hear a little bit of that. Do you hear a little bit of that. Fifty country invaded. The country had been invaded. So today I get ahead. Talk Petrie on tying undividedly. You're on you know. Just him and now doing outside noise. I'm trying to mask it and I'm I'm trying to change date so that I could that I'd probably go to prices right if any if I do and I guess. The cars stopped working because for the card so now I can't put the. I'm just saying then. I already got us another car just for the reservation because I don't know what the weather's going to be home and I'm only only changing the day because you hear that. Do you hear that. That's what I gotta get to at. I had to battery and one day I mean I'm in the apartment that's all I am. I'm not outside. I'm not dealing with Medicaid. I'm not dealing with Walmart neighborhood market. I'm dealing with that craving erred. I renovated does may total war. I'm only one more got colds morning. I want to do due to hear that. I want to each night and Princeton to hear what the heck I gotta go to day all day and already been a half an hour maybe an hour. I don't even know what time it started because I was thinking about going to. Another part of carnival. 'CAUSE I sent it to go yesterday and I'll think about doing another part of the carnival test but without knowing and I ah shut up shut up you see nights and president so this is a big country very. That's what I had to deal with and then I thought I had a headache. My head was counting at. I had two bedrooms. I mean what what how come on. I literally figuratively have enough. I mean I didn't even do these the NFL yet because this will vote to be. You heard that down and it's too late for that. Hit a dead in the afternoon. People trying to read the ground in town scheduled worker. The work of people read the the working and stuff like that one on. Why can't because what in the cat do? I have to do to just get ready freak out what I'm GonNa do answer to to what I had to do to figure out what the candidates do in December or anytime after my birthday today to restart my birthday guys so you toy myself and give revenge on the code on the grief and the fact that I would alone birthday while I was an apartment but I would deter you know I the case going on and stuff like that and you know I had to play the bitty Cunty Thong at the birthday Thong but none of this is what I had to contend with. I mean I'm thinking about putting together you know the week. Eleven Kevin how I did episode starting probably either tonight or tomorrow after the Monday night game while putting the other segments agreements about the The stream that I had hell I might put it. I did my having needed for the standalone told and put these two day or maybe included in the episode tomorrow too because at you can't make this stuff. Oh you can't mean nobody go to update like that and they only locked up in their own bleep. You can't make this stuff bob. You literally can't make this dump up and I gotta deal with this the macbook lock and they better stop the damn noise. They better stop the damn noise now. Now Oh my cat I mean this is. This is really ridiculous. Absolutely positively ridiculous. I I'm a you know. Maybe they maybe they should let the water. Get me in the thing that I would just go back home. I mean maybe they just should've let the water just getting you know I'm On believable all day I had to I mean the bad teams and then the crazy annoy you her prue. What the heck? I'm going through empty. Two big country had been invaded. I don't know why this month turns bad my own birth month. That's why I'm redoing my birthday on my own book month. I've been invaded all right. Well when I go away that's going to be my only unless we wanna be my only remained me my only when I go away and I will win and I did not even get good news because I guess they either pick the class and they don't want to tell them yet or the speaker on do their respective class class and I want to tell anybody at the new papal again because I never received an email so I'm definitely going do it for the show I don't know what if I'm GonNa do here or probably when I'm in la but or anywhere else. I still could go to well. I don't want to go to the Christmas stuff. Yeah probably ought to but I I don't know I don't I don't know I haven't thought to yet I'm still just making a yet. This is real life this is real me and is it real me. I mean I tied hold it but I couldn't so you're gonNA get me okay. You're going to get the real me. No no no cuts no whatever. No edit you're going to get the real me today. Bialy had me on the show. I don't know what I'm saying had it's just been rough and I've been only been home. I'm on I'm not home. I just did the apartment out. Hey everybody this is prestige a an. I want to tell you you know. Now you listen to your sabree radio. Show or podcast Well I could do that now with anchor you can. I love of you than anchor Because this is one of the many way that the big deal down gets the grow more on More people and you can do it too. So if you sign up for anchor the day you could be on your way to get your listeners. You could find the show show you want. You can do news you do sports. You could do talk. You Do Trivia. Just be yourself be who whatever you want to be but most important have fun. That's why have fun. This is your show. Oh this is your moment. Make it what you want to be sign for anchor and you will not be sorry that you did this prestigious you. You have a great day. Wow he just cannot make this stuff up so as you may know or no. Last week I had just had the craziest worth worth of week of both the on my birthday. What the It will you please flagging food stamps again. inning-ending in again and I have no literally really had no right to get there and well. They don't have a Wifi. Saw couldn't get Uber at home so technically I don't have a ride there but anyway anyway and then I couldn't travel from birth couldn't travel from birthday and and then I was on a birthday but then I went to church but I will don't own birthday and my party. The second part of my party got mixed up now my first part but the second part of my party got mixed up so now he comes to day when at the Second Palace trying to do survival fleet because I have some food food dancers I doubt to get Max because somehow like the watertown. This town is like not too good. Have I stated before Donna Summer and wouldn't you know it. I am not one but two on a lot and I think as as it is but to badgering and when setting because I'm trying to do survive sleep tying to sleep sleep where you know because I had to you know. I can't Demille the day or you know my drinks are going so fast because I keep getting thirsty off and on an so the I dream. Oh okay so I dream some bad people what I was trying China study. I don't know why I was trying to study for something when my travel agency or started but it looks like in the start trying to study the yellow pages. I don't know why why was trying to study. You pay just. I'm not sure but I was forced to hear my wife one of my favorite song and I could totally hear the song it was on the whole two eight two. I can literally hear it. I can literally hear can tables the Elvis or or amazingly for on on what I can literally hear it and I'm crying my out that AH flooding the place. I'm flooding the plays Mount Place with my ears and uh because You know I must have doing but then I woke up and now when I went back to sleep. I'm on a ship on the storm. I guess we got lots of video and then Somebody was reported that Some youtubers ought to listen to. We'll call the storm gray footage and then you know any camera. But you know looking at The water's not the typical just going to storm the typical goal. None that anything is going to happen and I was like having the kind of problem with the kind of bullied that just one of the people in one of the people and everything like that and with part of the Dream Hide. The cat is person by me and not not doing anything or whatever like they add in all the time to have a good time. I guess I was living on a ship or something like that. I was on a ship on another vacation and other grape vacation. I don't know what it was to. Just bother me tonic. Hilmi cabin me off for no apparent reason and then in what down the bottom of some part of the bottom of the ship one ship somewhere you know walk in We stop somewhere then walking again to another part of the ship all of a sudden I was talking to my y'all talking. You know him the mind on customization all of a sudden he's heard this woosh rush of water. This was water the wall. You know the part of the titanic ship thinking and you see the part where the water was coming into the hallway like that was like my mom was thinking but we're only in the storm. We didn't know anything or only we just in a storm and so the person was talking to me. Mom trying to rescue like you're probably didn't mind WANNA be closer to my lying obviously probably died because we was very close to the the stairs. I guess because we were running and I guess we didn't make it because I woke up. I have the club chess closer step because the water was so close I thought water. I literally thought you know Louis saw the water coming in like we're only in a storm only in the storm. That's IT Lilly's all coming and just go to show always pay attention muster drill. But why I'm having these two dream in one one You know what I'm having survive asleep is beyond me why to me and then couple of months ago come a month ago was like all over dying rollie dying Diana Com crash down in another Almost going to Iraq or seemed to my dying now if theater crying because my lie or Highness on starring in a free gas it entirely doing was something that I love. Forgive me. Oh that's what I give for not thinking about somebody twenty four seven when I can. Oh Oh my God. That's what I get. That's what I get. I'm just trying to sleep to survive Donald. Have to think about the craziness of this home situation that this world is in and if I take that last week Somehow Matha tasted the poison. The water with something. But I don't have anything and Dan I don't know I had these bad things too. I mean usually I will have you and Easily I share with you because I don't have anybody to share with all when when mom you know stats. I'm by myself my mouth so you just can't make this stuff up tool in one name or one on one when I was trying to get it. Survives Lee come on man come on.
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We surely need one. No. Thirty difficult time for American we're struggling. With our identity and Hope to they've done as a country now. WHO IS TRYING TO CHANGE AMERICA? Mr Speaker I obviously. This is a movement that services within forty eight hours, so somebody is stirring the pot. It doesn't happen by itself and. Especially, Seattle European what's happening well when Fed along growth of anti American. Ideology on our college campuses. Increasingly on news media and it's the most extreme. ANTIGA. When she was an activist group. That believes in violence that wants to destroy America so openly. End Up with. Ensuring the United States and Now. Then some things extraordinaire. Taken over and part of Seattle. And they put up signs saying. You were leaving the United States go into this area. And Literally substantial exactly what Abraham Lincoln civil war and You know the the Seattle. City Council so left-wing. The city council. Before what they're doing and how to do it. And, then it's nearly. A marketable when? You know I'm watch I. Watch it on television and I'm horrified. they have the store owners. We didn't know six block radius as prisoners. And they're shaking the been and. How how does law enforcement allow that to happen? Law enforcement now feels nobody's protecting it. You know a lot of these cities. You're elected officials saying that they wanted to be trying to he's. that. One of the The Apple City Council said she dreams. A country with no police, and so I went to the morale of the police almost everywhere else really low and have the sense. No matter what they do, It's going to be long. So I think that's that's led to a real pulling back from active and aggressive policing. Mr Speaker tell you what I've said. You got a hundred thousand peaceful demonstrators. And then you have probably anywhere, but thousands of five thousand bad guys that are using the demonstrators as pawns. Somebody is funding some of those professional demonstrators. Any opinion is the company from Russia from China from Iran is China getting even for Hong Kong. Well I don't know I all over that there or Americans who are those. One of the reasons, I was glad that the president had declared and chief of and terrorist group. Is it now generalizes? The FBI and the Treasury Department beginning track now and all the spending and finding his. whose putting money into. Storage. the Russians back. When the city union funded on virtually all the peace groups in front of the marginal tariffs, groups and know that because after the fall of Soviet Union was A. Actually had access to the records and really good learn to just how much they were behind stuff, so I think in that sense. You wouldn't shock me. For the world's to some incident Chinese commercial activities, or how can you? Know an awful lot of very left. When Americans who are very rich and they get inside finance their own. To try on the mind and we can see so. A lot of homegrown problems aren't just to overseas. Mr Speaker the new movement. The last few days has been. That's take down to Columbus. Statues that's take down the confederate soldiers that choose I mean. That's quite of American history I mean none of us believe confederacy, but it was part of history. What say you on that well I think once you've started going down the road where these snap and I think it's very dangerous to have some extremists define for us. What were you thinking backwards? Take books out movies out that one of the companies in Kennedy working. Show gone on to win. It was a walkable movie in its own way. You know a lot of places now. will not allow huckleberry Finn to be in the school library. was considered by many people. Maybe the best American novel, the Nineteenth. Century. He hit into sort of. Getting the pick things, it turns out now that it secure mockingbird, which were fifty years you soon centered on remarkable novel in the novel that was very sympathetic can vary problem often and now out. It's too good an eugene segregation so. Made subsequent. So happening French Revolution, and it's been happening the Soviet, union and Knowledge China. This all the time. They? They push an article by a US senator. WHO's in war veteran? And you turn around, and you told that and that's such. A horrible thing was done with the editor of opinion. Page has to resign because down. On the road in Philadelphia. The editor of the Enquirer allowed their architecture and columnist to write a column entitled Buildings Matter To. That was such a horrifying attack in black lives matter. The editor head to resigned because the. Getting. Electric Taller tearing societies. Exactly the places I've now on our and running and I think people. Should be very concerned about the willingness to. Seattle shutting all that that four to six block here and he's going to become a t study in what happens with little careers because you have real plugs and people who are willing to use force in anytime who? Appears instincts to the helpless. Poor. It's the week or the most trip because the people who need protection law. Mr. Speaker now in the last week or so the secretary. Objected and he said he made a mistake. Walking hand in hand with the President Church. Shouldn't say that imprimis on. Does he have to make a national statement? Well I think. He felt under pressure from a lot of his officers for. I one level unsympathetic to the pressure, because I think it's very important that the military politics period. On and probably you, probably the president shouldn't have invited, and he shouldn't accept it because it was a photo. Op is not a national defense issue. But I think it's very dangerous to start suggestion officers. Do they get the creek and cheese all day? And that's that's the road that leads you automatically can sort of a Latin American military takeover maybe. To Be, very careful. She signs. I'm uncomfortable with the aggressiveness. We've seen from some of the retired searching US really language. It's inappropriate and you've also said things just weren't true, but because they were saying things with the news media logged. They're never get fact and that's really unfortunate. There'd be better off to be very careful about getting better and again. I ain't no problem getting involved policy talking about America's future meetings order. To deal with the Chinese. Directly involved with criticizing the president is running for reelection, and you're really very sensitive edge of having military involved in politics. Absolutely understand. Let's see how. Member! Around the corner is Joe I'm going to be the nominee or or the. Trains? Buying has the votes. I didn't has the votes. he will be the nominee. His recent performances so bad that it scared. Just didn't event in Philadelphia there he clearly. This, we train the dogs and you can see the copier pitcher. it's embarrassing watching. and I think accenture. Tied the fortunate to somebody who may? Be the pressure but I actually my today. For. Since she was all about the concept that. Biden She Merlin Pelosi is a team. to? In all three of the House and White House So radical. I think he does a huge huge problem and I think the president will women. Going to have to win despite these meetings on the hostile coverage and have to win, despite having to carry a lot of loans and candidly, I think at times if he would slow down a little bit. And Have a little bit more strategy, a little less scrutiny. Its opportunities in do better. I, mean so. We have a minute left Sunday morning and the United States. What would you like to tell the? American people. I don't WanNa. Say here in summer. Changed, remember despite all the current problems. You are in the most amazing country more. Open the talent most inventing. tweet him does work in tooting does matter and I think that internal get to the fall will a lot better, and I really do believe that America's best music head of us so I'm very optimistic and I think programs. into these kinds of shots are part of it. But. Thank you for your prayers at the Vatican and God bless America and I. Look forward to seeing you in. New York sometimes. Thompson. This is the catch roundtable. Be Right back.
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Yes something about malcolm. Glad well being a spokesperson for general motors. Just doesn't make sense. Nath you barzal new york islanders. Top five hockey goals of all time really dan. Don't ask me the rest of my top. Five because i have it. No you don't know you know. I do know glad. Yeah i don't believe number five. No way glad. Yes the bar sell goal over the weekend number. Four t j o. She game winner shootout two thousand. Fourteen sochi games beat the russians. The skis number three. What's happening here a wrong sound and there on time might stay with me. The russians the rooskiy. What happened here. That i feel like i feel like those your last word on your death bed. She'll say and then. The roofs keeps see dan. I'm dying the great beyond rod also took a bucket. Dano where are we. Number three denis savard blackhawks. Take my word for it or look it up i love. It seemed like a good time. These go on a little bit. So i figured is a good toast break. Toasters don't get me started. what's i mean you'd think every time you go. It seems like an imperfect science. I don't know if it's this particular toaster. But every time put in some tolson's exact same does right. Don't even change the setting. sometimes it's burned. Sometimes it's undercooked. I need to put it back in and it's not cooked enough and then burn could entice. Don't get me started on. Toasters already guests started number two mica rusi oni the risk. Do you believe in miracles. That's number two number one tonelli tonight. Dream nineteen eighty. No islanders win the first of four stanley cups. We spent nickname. Many looked to you and their backup. Goalie was rowley. Milan-san rollie the goalie the irs. We are the show. You heard it people that was a descent in nineteen eighties hockey right. Am i write about this of our goal. By the way yes you are. You look it up to the cvs. Pharmacist on coral ridge. Drive a coral springs who had six. Oh to after taking eleven minutes to help another customer put the former c. Close side in my face walked away. Listen to me clearly. I know who you are. I know who you're bosses. I envy particular set of skills. You have my number. It's in your system. You have forty eight hours to apologize. Wow otherwise i start making calls. Dan you know what the e in cvs stands for. It stands for calls forty eight hours. Don't you hit that button trying to hit it doesn't work anymore for did espn takeaway this thing's ability to work. I missing the televisions being on during shows. Who do i need to talk to about this did you. There you go red devils. You need to talk to yourself. Yeah good point my pay the bills so it'd be the batteries. Maybe honestly i just didn't have the pot and buys me time when i say employees against the manipulations of grandpa by mike ryan. What red devils to citizens nell that means. Don't you dan do not it. Means ole gunnar slot. You're has quarter laura's number that laura got lucky governor harvey. Can you just get the guadalupe for anything else. Toasters real butter everything in the toaster wheelhouse and moved onto gummy bears sour. Gummy bears sour. Gummy bears at this hour of the more arable makes them with toast poll gear. Do you have gummy bears at ten. Am do you ever have. Gummy bears with toast. I love gummy bears. Billy what's the name of that company. I don't know how to pronounce it. No you're right. What is your favorite from that family of Candies though i like the smurfs candies. Have you tried them or this. Murph candies smurfs gumy's billy. I am telling you will love that. I promise our gumy's in the morning seems like a really really awful breakfast food my wrong about this. It's ten o'clock somewhere dan. Yes yes yes thank you. You wanna know what leadership looks like. It looks like marcus. Zegra hausky odd first name last name combination. Wouldn't you say marcus. Zagorski fulda if malcolm glad well is your spokesperson. I feel like there's a good chance. I won't know how to use your product. Have our I think is because i was throwing throwing so much. Lou dobbs adam so many different sound. Let's go on glad well touchscreen written ripping him. he's i never imagined him to be pitch person very popular modern day intellectual. He is gone from journalists to celebrity intellectual. What you shaking your head about toast face. Yeah because aristotle wouldn't be going out there sourcing all these different things a little bit of a stall out here on your right dr seuss. You think you know who. Dr seuss like a friend. Nobody's gonna change right choice. It's dr soy's but no one's going to actually change it right. We know this okay. Never mind the dry by bryson. D shambo on the par-five six toll at bay hill on saturday and sunday was the second best dr. I've ever seen behind. 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Jesus why did we leave blindly trusting labrador apart looking for old baseball cards. Because i need some sort of revenue stream at eleven and eleven. Duke will somehow be the one seed in the east bracket malcolm glad well as a pitch man intimidates me. That's it that is it. that's why he intimidates me. Who are smart. I can't use his products. I think he's very smart but there are smart people who don't think he's as smart as he deserves to be looked at differently. He's already high over stanford and smart smart people's feelings intellectuals that are legitimate intellectuals who look down their nose at the simplifications of malcolm glad wealth books like having meetings. We talk about this You're not invited clearly. That's why i was asking kennedy. Smith said his son is twenty three years old and this is the first time he seen the knicks be good. I hate the jet riff into the nets give me a blake blake griffin just. So we're clear if the nets win a championship you will still have no championships in my personal record book. In fact that goes for the entire team including steve nash of still marinating a jeff grade. He might get a ring he deserves what. He's a lifer role player. Takes charges plays defense. The rest of you know about that. Luca plays like he's forty years. Old stanley tucci searching for italy. Best show on tv to janas flourish to. Have you seen this show through try. I've heard about it is fantastic. Oh the food is delightful. I've seen of it. All the intellectuals loves to janas do it in the final better yet. Make it to the finals. Greek freak iowa is retiring. Luke gars is number fifty five. Congratulations to wherever the hell that is islanders. Golden knights lord stanley collision. Course israel you. Mother belieber israel at a sign. Yeah bella tour collision course. Just couldn't call busy. You didn't trip over the israel part at a sonya. Feels that right. 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And we actually got christmas actually sometimes read them out loud. I've been to a few like national park. What's it during the pandemic and read them out loud. Yeah it's delights. Do with anyone you just start reading it to anyone in the room. I went through a natural park trail in virginia in colonial virginia and they have like guy. It was around the time that i watched Hamilton and because it's the pandemic it's the only place to go so busch gardens in colonial virginia. But so there's like signed. This battle was fought here and as everyone is walking past me. I'm just stood there reading the signs out loud. i love it. I could see you being a tour guide. Everybody good waiting probably thought you were winding winning him. As a lot of ted lasso in him but also He is just a little bit too starched. So how does he go through a museum. Well the answer to that of course is properly properly. Which is how chris wittingham. Does everything just way to properly. That's actually the surprising part about this right. It's not that you're reading it out loud. It's that it feels like you're breaking museum etiquette there but you don't care you just want people to know what it is that's going on in that room. It's a good exercise of my reading out loud abilities. Our workers to read out loud to test myself loved that that he's practicing broadcasting at the liuw that he's just outside nobody wants. Nobody wants to hear from winning him on anything but of course that's how he does it. You know what's interesting about what was happening in college basketball. This weekend's two guys. Because i haven't paid any attention. I'm guessing such a weird time pandemic sports all bunch together that college basketball with duke and north carolina. Very good this year. It's pronounced loo. Ray thank you still got that. I saw people being really mean to dick by towel. Really mean dickey and it It was uncomfortable for me and it reminded me of another time. And i don't know if mean is old enough to sort of appreciate that at one time really. He's one of the things that made. espn cultural phenomenon. Because he became far and away the biggest and most famous thing in that sport the thing that was praising in fact you can actually given tied directly to dick vitale. The over fawning coach worship that you hear in broadcasting you hear less and less of now started with him and just a general enthusiasm for basketball and enthusiasm that it's been remarkable to hear him keep over decades to god's but man people kids today who do not have any appreciation for that and don't want nostalgia they get annoyed by the gimmick. Because the gimmick wasn't a gimmick at the beginning the gimmick was something that people really enjoy that was changing broadcasting a guy who was screaming the whole time it was enthusiasm. He had all sorts man. That guy made so much money for college basketball by being the feeder system at espn. That was the voice and face for the game and people were hostile towards him. This weekend it was a gimmick but it was different. It was unique. It was a guy reacting the way. Maybe you reacted in your living room. Watching the same game watching the same moment and we always talk about their broadcasters. You would go to just to see the broadcaster. There are countless college basketball games. That i watched that it was not that interested in because dickey v was on the call and it was so different and jarring that i enjoyed it. I really did. I asked this question of the audience. And i want to get back to you on this because you guys tell me. How is that supposed to age. How will you allow that to age gracefully because whether you liked him or not. And he was polarizing at the time he is an icon broadcaster over many years. And what i'm saying about him. In the sport you play word association through the eighties and nineties on just asking people college basketball. What do you think of. And it would be him. Yes and it helped. It helped explode the sport. And i wonder as i ask you this because people were cruel to him and you know he's trying what does he. How old is he eighty. Oh i would imagine. He's how is that. How was that allowed to age. How i i asked the question sincerely. Mike your producer in this industry. You've seen the way that we're very aging. He's eighty one dick vitelle. They've allowed to age gracefully. I think they've been taking them off of some of the marquee games. Pairing them with different and sometimes younger play by play people limiting the exposure And using them in doses. I mean he still has a very large appeal to me. I so pop. Whenever i see on. Tv that's who. I wanna hear talking about basketball. Because his voice is synonymous with the sport. A main what do you think of dick vitale. And what do you think of the specifics of what it is. That i'm saying here. The idea that people are being cruel to alleged an icon. Who is trying to hold on at the end and still you know. Give voice to the sport enthusiasm to the sport. And what what does it cost you to allow him. Then it's funny because you often talk about how sports takes itself too seriously and we mustn't sullied the cathedral of sports dickie. V really is someone who is the of that right is allows you to have fun and yell about diaper dandies and pt peers. And all that. So there is an irony there. However and i. I know this from doing my podcasts. Sinophobic which is one where zach heartburn. I review movies that are poorly rated on rotten tomatoes and try to ascertain whether that rating is accurate. Or maybe they didn't get a fair shake a lot of movies that we watch her from the eighties. And you go back and watch them now. They seem triton cliche but the reality is time they were setting the bar right. So stu gods tango and cash action jackson. These seem all of these cliche of. Hey i don't like you. You don't like me but we're going to have to work together get along. That all started back then so back then. It wasn't cliche really was the first time anyone was doing this kind of stuff. Now if you see it in a movie you're like oh here we go again. Let me guess you guys don't like each other at first but then you'll get to know each other and respect each other that that it's cliche for us now because it's been done over and over and over again copying that original that happened back in the eighties similarly dick by towel. It's cliche now. Because we're sitting on twenty thirty years of watching him do it and other people try to emulate that but at the time obviously was innovative and groundbreaking a has been wearing out people. The last couple of days in town. Miami beach is crazy right now. It's spring break. It is an interesting combination of dangerous and foul and reckless. And it doesn't feel like the rest of america and amine is thinking about deep things and I don't understand what is happening with him. And how he's been touched by something that you may have seen on hulu in an of itself. Every time i walk into a room. I mean you're talking about in and of itself on hulu it is. I don't even know. How do you explain this to the shipping container. This is hard to explain. How would you explain. What innovate self on. Who is to the people here who do not know what that is. Because i don't know how. I'm going to be able to explain it for you. Is it a baking show. Why in of and itself had it a mean why are you. Why are you wearing everybody out with this are you. are you recommending it. i am. I am recommending. It's it's based on a one man. Show i believe on broadway and this. This guy who's illusionist. He's a kind of a cartridge guy and all this stuff but it really isn't an illusion. Show it's not a magic show although there is magic illusions that happen. It's really about a his own exploration of himself and ultimately the grand question that we all have to ask ourselves. Who am i. And so all the audience members as they walk in they walk past a big bulletin board. That has cards and each card has a different identity. Says i am a journalist. I am a dreamer. I am a reflection. I am an ophthalmologist and the idea. Is that before you entered the theater. Everyone's gotta grab a car and then they take the cards and they turn into him in a stack and so he he then goes about does basically tell them the story of a a man who was hard on his luck and ends up in an underground russian roulette league. Where if you survive you get all this money and you you you your your problems are solved and if you don't survive while your problems are solved and this guy was hard on. His luck survived since so he wins and he does something had never been done before he comes back the next day and he does it again and keeps winning to the point where people think that he's one happen. What are you laughing about. I mean go ahead winning. You blew the joke. i mean. Go ahead winning him. Read what the show is a more interesting broadcast fashion from a description. Taken from the internet dared delgada ios in and of itself. A new kind of lyric poem. It tells the story of a man fighting to see through the illusion of his own identity only to discover that identity itself is usually an intimate and powerful exploration of what it means to be and be seen the film chronicles derek. Gaudio's attempt to answer one deceptively simple question. Who am i you read good hey.
Celtics' Marcus Smart Shooting + Nets' Leadership
"This year has to be more self motivation than any than maybe any time any of these players have ever played in their life cuz you get more you get more participation from a from a pickup game. We got guys yelling and talking back and forth. But you know when you don't have that that's just a whole nother another bombshell, which you said you need to go off the big girls involved in the chicks mouth. The last shot, shows like your beard asking so I get points off you talking about Gordon talk about not having Kemba for me that story that's facilitating. That's a little big chunk of the offense. Where does Marcus Smart play in this in this room found Rollie going to have well Marcus there been off of people who have, you know have have started to rumble a little bit mother of the bit about Marcus shooting the basketball he comes up a great shooter anything about that. Well. Here's the thing about it. What do you numbers the numbers great numbers with markets. I always point out. The catch-and-shoot numbers numbers are on great numbers, but not great. They're not great yet whenever you were you were so when you told me you a great shooter. I'm like, I know you're great defender. I know you're great facilitate. I know you're great player shooting. I always say with Marcus is another luxury when he is Nakia shots down mean that that that changes the Dynamics of what this team is Jose. So I don't want to take the ball out of his hands not to shoot because I think he's I think you guys I think the team is better off when he's shooting and he gets on and knock down shots, especially open lugs cashew, you know those situations. I think Marcus drives in it is sometimes when he gets a little bit. Oh, I'm going to try to take matters into my own hands. Yeah, you know, I believe that in Marcus's game. So I do I'm sure he's there to do it their own needs a free on there there. There's so many questions. So it just takes the that's why first couple of games for the Celtics at home quote unquote back home or going to be games where you're going to go. What's up, you know yella when you meet the girl, what's up, I guess. My luck. So actually it might have been some damage. You know, I'm using on the allow. What's good? Yeah, it'll be a Windows. It's popping. What's good is good. Young girl. What's up? What's up? Yo growin. Yo, what's up? What's up? What's good? What's good? And and then and then when they said something that that was not respond when I say, I don't know what you know. All right mam, I'm good. You know today's today's been a good day. What would I say? We're gonna make it better. I'll be one of the things I'd say that's a but my life, you know, I always I always I always had one day I think one of the better lines that you could ever use and you shake just another side to side. There's ghosts if it's good. I might use all right. Now you can't use it. It doesn't apply to you. Let me tell you that the bottom because when it does is normally happens like this with my bow. Wow, how tall are you? What's your what's my response going to bed? Histology want me to me. That's a maximum like no no, no, no battle line. And that would you get another line of that? You asked me. I I'm given to you from behind a good. Wow. How tall are you? Just the way you like. Um, how's that? That's what the answer I got you. Okay, what happens when you like what you got to do the spin around know you get back to those. I have an elevator one time. They had like I was on the elevator with like about it was about five or six women and they said wage and I was in the front of all of them and the girl behind Migos you can hear giggling like and she says wow, how tall are you and without even turning around let's said just the way you like Iraq and the other girl goes I know that's right. So as the class and just the way you just the way you like just the way that cuz it makes something like what do you say just the way I'm probably why that's why I had I think exactly why you ass So I just think that was that's one of my my go-to moves if I was you know, if I was out there doing it, but I'm off to field now only day that was your day back in the day, you know suited and booted. You know what your other lines to do. That is just one of them know, that's all you mean. That's that's the starter. That's the that's the one when the boss is trying to meet you all because she's been a that's a that's a line you got plans from the desk the line cheese, or she she is pitching you she's giving you right now Snowball right down the blue, now, what's your response company got me some Whitney got me. Something can be laughed. I'm six four days. I played basketball my favorite home. They'll play license up and well I'm listening is 6 a.m. But actually yeah, we're upside down. Issue about that close the door like Will Smith sitting here get off and get out. Oh, man. All right. So the Marcus thing one last thing about Market, his attitude doesn't seem a little defensive to you and he the fact added the part. I think one of my coaches want I think okay, I think too I get that I think too. He's learned that because he's an older player. Now, he's more confident about himself. He's tired of hearing that says Marcus is come here to Boston what we heard. That's all that's all that's all we've heard Jude or he's cranking one, but he misses one off when he knocks down five or six in the road. Nobody says number two years. So I think they're about nine. So yeah, so I think Mark has just grown to be, you know, he's going to be more calm down. But who he is as a person and this whole thing with colon I think has made several players on this team grow up wage has grown up because of the Jalen has grown up in front of in front of our eyes. Now what we haven't seen how has it affected Tatum because it seems to me that Tatum has a yeah really been one of these guys who's been out there or you know overly but very measured in what he would say instead of what you hear from George. Allen is like boom. This is where it is and this is how I'm going and this is how people should act because of this, you know, black lives does matter married and you know what the way themself out there to me was that that to me that that's that's the growth of that that I would put trust in him as a captain of this thing now he's dead. But I still put trust in him. I feel you had to play it out. I'm too edgy to play it out. You know, that's why I'm so well, that's one of the reasons I'm so against James Harden trade, but I want to see how these two can guide this team at least out of the gate and I know it's going to be challenging. It's almost not even fair to use that small sample size as to what they could become, but I just think they're going to learn a whole lot about each other and we'll learn a lot about the team and the identity of the team, you know, and one last thing about money cuz I don't like Marcus Smart under a microscope Max. I don't I just think he's gonna pop it's only a matter of time the longer this this the the longer this goes on in the longer chemists out. It's just a recipe for disaster whether that means a poor shooting night him exploding at the media him exploding that his team-mates something along those lines and just doesn't it doesn't spell I think that I don't think I think the thing that great teams have are they have Those guys who will bring them together and say yeah, that's the thing that for me with the Celtics over last month. I haven't seen that guy. I mean and and that anger that Marcus has that pop off lists that he has to me is valuable for the scene cuz he needs it off. I mean I went to I mean when I when I'm seeing this team, I went to a tip-off dinner. They had a couple of years ago and they had em on stage and think was Kyrie or the recording at the gala and I was born I don't know. I mean give me something that many jobs, you know, we're going to play hard and win, you know, they were going to Yo, these people are in now they they want to be excited to give me something like, you know, that's what it hold it off. As much as we wanted to you know, you you you have to play to the crowd like LeBron did that time when he went to Miami 123 live or two weeks has been made out of the bank and made it made a false problem is empty problem. Well, I mean even with them and people were I don't get even with that people got excited people got excited to hear Kyrie's say look guys took me back and we keep seeing about carrying keep people want to beat him up or whatever guys get over it every for mosquito stamp. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot Max you breathe you were breathing in that stage you were in there for me your skill. I think you might have affected from a skill standpoint. You name yourself off guard deserve been like that from a skill standpoint. Yes, we got all that. Don't worry buddy. I'm worried about John I gotta I gotta I gotta I got to see up close and personal it's Kyrie. Yeah, it's not even close at new Red Dead suspect now are the things about him which is special to as we say in in in the neighborhood. I think especially and that Dad has a conversation going to Wings is like a label on that burdge. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of connotation going to wait but but his skill set and what he's able to do with the boss down there there has not been another guard like that. The Celtics have ever had my dad do I mean range handle? So do you mean usually what you're saying put some respect on his name or would you say something like the way people reacted to the whole safest thing inside of the Christmas in general? You know, what you of all people should know let me say and let me give you example why you should know more than anybody else. You've heard that being said before but that's just men and being what oh ya what man is that? There's many men men scurrying off at the end of that scary being curriculum as being him or is he putting on a show at it as I don't care. What is whatever it is is just the gallery or that's what it is. You know, John says I'll see y'all in essence. Like I'm just bored of this point. I think that's the best way to phrase it. You know, I think a lot of stuff and not necessarily, you know, I can't tell you can't guys just like like again like I have to wash yeah, I think I know I don't I wouldn't say we all have to talk about it. I wouldn't say board would be the word. I would say I'm not entertaining I would say here. Here's a word. I'll give you the word annoyed. Okay, he's he's too because but then it's not salty by saying that if I say that oh say that I can give you that you're you're annoying is Kyrie when you hear me? Mark is almost like when you have that you have that Nano that fly right where you trying to eat when you just you wanting this happening here. Yeah, you ain't you still in the mirror, you know, it's just some things. You said just annoying if he just played and then not have to be the smartest guy in the room. I mean the the office and that really important I was offended by the line that he used and because it was about to broadcasts like, you know, you guys are plummets and like that at all that's always a broadcast. I was home. I was insulted by that like, what do you mean we're pawns. What we're trying to do is ask you a question about the game. We're doing our job. We're doing our jobs and you do your job of answering the question the best way you can is and and that's all we're we're going on our merry way. We don't we ain't go we send each other Christmas presents where you going out to have Dylan twin brother. It ain't dead. Like during the 80s where you had reporters who would you know go out and hang out with players they have dinner and you know talk and you know, you would reveal some personal stuff, but for the most part, you know players make sure that the writers wouldn't write those things out and it was just like, okay, that's that's not that's not a subject to be we talked about. So I think those things are are really you know different when you think about how how it was during that time. I mean Dan Shaughnessy, I had a conversation with him and we were talking about he's talking about Larry Bird burden he wants to interview with Larry and you know, I think my like he might have got now I'm not interested, you know, and he was insulted about like, you know, Larry I know your thoughts and then what Max is he going to do anything your book? I said, I don't know. I haven't gotten to know but you look Larry Bird's a different animal when it comes to you by the judge acting funny dog. Bulshit have nothing to do anybody coming on somebody's podcast. I I mean I did the other day had a great podcast with a steel rod is rubbed lately has he has a new podcast. Rodman and for the squad? Yeah. Well, that's one. Let me add was he was talking about bread and just seeing that bread my life. Now, they've been bred wasn't the only choice for Danny age that there was another coach out there who thought that he was going to have the job with the Celtics and it was down so I'm he's so he's going to reveal that on his show. So that's something which is to me is going to be wow. Yeah, because Danny Danny has gone on record to say that Iraq wasn't he never felt anywhere near a hundred percent that brown would actually accepted because Brad has such a good thing going on Butler. He just knew that that was his number one choice. I'm sure he had at least two guys lined up you off. Or at least or at least a second promise or at least some sort of you know bad guys. My go-to is Brett says no, there's always guys in NBA who you look at and you know one jobs, that's why. I look and see what's going to happen right now down in Brooklyn with Steve Nash. Not with the good times what happens when you have some rough times with that team because you got a lot of guys over there who are starters who wants to who who wants to who equate points with getting paid now, yo, don't win who was there who have been scoring over 24 last couple of years. He sung bich off. Kyrie's taking those showers the rent taking those show Joe Harris found a big town contract. He's just to pull up guy about the sound a little familiar. So, you know, I'm gonna yeah, you're talking about the Celtics suck years ago when they were loaded so so what most important you think? The way these two leads, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what that's what sort of went wrong. And I'm not from the whole thing on Kyrie the what's your point right guy for getting like, hey, I want my touches. We just got to these to cover. Well, they carry Samsung. Well, I think it's a little different in that. Kyrie looked at everybody on the Celtic team. Like they were under him like they were actually on his level Kyrie Irving when he was here something like they were yeah thought he was it with Celtics. I don't think I refill like anybody who's on his level. But if you hear him talk about the rent, that's one of the things he said and he said I feel like I can make these shots. But you know what damn got down there can get make the same number of jobs even better than I can the first I decided. Yeah like so I don't so I don't think so. I think it's going to be a little different and we'll that rub him the wrong way by having that guy being able to do that and have a little bit more influence. So I find this this year again Mulligan year for everybody because of you know off of it and not having fans there and the way the schedule is drawn up, right and nobody in the world going to tell me they want to be in the truck for fortnight's And can't leave the room in the summertime. Not that bad right now. You know someone is episode of the Cedric Maxwell podcast brought to you by betonline.ag right now. We have the NFL playoffs just around the corner plus we have two NBA games this week. You can win big money. So don't miss out on bedroom line. Right. Now when you hit the betonline.ag use the promo code seal and has 50,000 you will get you your 50% Welcome in bonus now Monday night Celtics versus Miami Heat good action right there plus Thursday night. You got the Dallas Mavericks versus the Denver Nuggets nationally televised on T J T's is also good action there. So don't miss out and of course the NFL playoffs is coming up this weekend headset betonline.ag. Don't forget the promo code clns 50 to get your 50% and welcome in bohm's don't sit on the sidelines anymore get in on the action and don't forget to use that promo code clns 50 betonline.ag your online Sportsbook experts and until you can't leave the room off. A minute chilling. Yeah, I talk to seems us a lot more time with each other. Well, it'll be sort of like the bubble but you're on you're on the go of it, you know, you know when you're on the road it'll feel like the bubble a little bit. Thank God because I want to but guys want to have things to do to other than than Xbox me and leaves you can go out. And before you go ahead go out to maybe a club for a minute you could go into these go have dinner or whatever you're going to do as a team and and talking to Grant Williams Grant was telling me said we said we're not even allowed to leave the room off essentially you go and get some are you can walk but you going out to walk in Detroit. 1st January where you all can do is 14°. Yeah. What are you going to you know, I was at that Hotel phone number that hot dog place down there and then you add the Westin not that you know to be picky, but you're not like you're in there, to where this team normally is so mean when you come back pretty quickly. I mean when you go do I like the chances of these personalities getting closer though. I still believe there's a lot of value in that. Okay, and that that should be reason why I'm putting these guys top five. I'm gonna put him higher than that. Mix. Okay, you want to list them we can go through it. If you want know you're with me when I was a baby. I admit your top five but I am I I will agree with where you at things could break but another way but I think that what we don't see from them that we're seeing from Brooklyn is wage. in this product
Real Talk - Decoding Basic Social Media Etiquette
"<music> hub hopper originals hi guys welcome to a brand new episode of your talk with medina tiny and when i say welcome i really mean welcome whoever you are no matter what your age what your profession what your vocation what your agenda what you identify as i just wanna say it from the bottom of my heart welcome to the podcast when i recalled this podcast. I don't have a particular user in mind. I don't think that it is specifically for anybody. <hes> pity i'm just a goalkeeping drill with you of course because boras from my own life. I can't help the fact that may be goals would relate to do it more or maybe people of my age. Group would relate to it more but that doesn't mean it's not for other people so i have a very calm as you are policy whoever you are. You're you're very very welcome to tune in to listen to be part of the family <hes>. I don't know why i'm getting emotional randomly. You can probably blame. The fact that i watched watched gates read recently. I don't know but yeah it's all about loving your podcast family guys so welcome truly welcome. Thank you for tuning in and and also brace yourself guys because the disclaimers are coming yesterday. There are multiple first off the usual disclaimer. This is n._s. F._w. That's not safe defoe work because i tend to give gullies and i tend to get overly emotional and i don't want to censor myself plans and bill so please listen listen with your phones or don't listen in public or don't listen and trying to people who get uncomfortable listening to galleys in front off. I mean you get the drift and technically. I shouldn't be saying this every time but i still will just remind you this game on number two. I don't know if you can have a little bit of golden calf situation going bezos. Ignore my raspy voice or unless if you can't like field doesn't need different than i guess. This is just how a sound and then and in that case. I'm not sorry hashtag. Sorry not sorry but yeah. I don't have you can dead but i i do have a little bit of golden cough situation going but given that it is golden calves season. I didn't wanna put off recording this episode because you never know many titles and oh yes rollie isn't do not talk ya guys so just bear with me now. Escape number three has something specifically to do with this episode. What is this episode. Let me get into that. I i so i feel like for the last few episodes we've gotten very intense and i mean it tends to get a little preachy at times and the summer. Keep it light and fun and i hundred dog about social media. I have been wanting to do this episode of the podcast and it is just about social media at the good and maybe not so much a good but just social media do's and don'ts now that the schema part is that please know that i'm like really not an export autumn not like an authority on social media. That's not the position from which i'm making this episode. Please understand that. I'm just a normal person. Who uses is this social media like a normal person and your. I'm just telling you things that i've observed probably mistakes that i've made in the bus so please don't go and scrutinize <unk> only seen like she's saying this and that i mean nothing all sound like that but you never know. I'm clarifying that you know <unk>. I am not coming from some high also give you all make mistakes and go and dig up my old posts and then look what she did. Actually you can do oh that joe. We'll give me traction on my social media. Go see if i've been mistakes. Anything is a good opportunity. I mean like my idea is actual goal so if you if you are a land you elect checking. Please go ahead and check but the point is that i absolutely i don't claim to be social media expert and that is what i'm trying to see a but yeah we can just discuss the do's and don'ts of social media and have fun with it and on. You never know who needs it yeah like i said it's a broad spectrum of people who are listening so <hes> you know. Social media has genuinely ascertain that the youngsters use it evade differently than the older people and perhaps we could all just like law nothing or do learn. What english is this lawn otane or do and yell figured it out together and have fun with it because that's what it's meant for rate so let's get into today's episode. The first busting i wanna talk about julie comes under the view of etiquette and i realized like a lot of people do this like it's very common and or something that moore lee like gets. My good side wanted to talk about it specifically and that is firstly. It's about facebook now please. Let's ranch does elderly all who uses facebook anymore because honestly all of us are on it. Show me the number of folks <hes> was spent on it has decreased because instagram has also you know vice ferrara attention <hes> in in the sense of like we tend mindlessly scroll through instagram but i don't think that you know it's the universal thing that people are facebook or <hes> you know we all. I think it's become like other like we all just like bitch about it or like. Oh ya i am facebook sucked still on it. Maybe we need to for work. Maybe it's just a place where families talk. I have no idea but i just know that facebook fees booker still very much being used by us or now this thing as i was telling you it's common okay so basically here's what it is is when somebody says let's say you post something on facebook okay and then you get like a lot of comments. Okay all well. What happens what i've really noticed is that you tend to not want all comments because i can understand that i'd like people don't have enough time bangladesh or antiwar energy whatever but then you apply do selective comments like you'll only reply to the the friends that mattdoyle only reply to your colleagues or to your boss bats like really do like seat you though you reply apply to all which honestly the best way to go about it like if somebody has bothered leaving a comment on your four-star on your copied or whatever then you know you the least you can do is replay but in case you don't want to what i'm saying is keep doing a phone if you're liking if you're just liking egging boasts then just like everyone's boasts. If you're saying one genetic thank you to everyone for urine dropping a wish or whatever that's fine. That's okay louis shoes but if you are applying to some people then you have to apply to everybody because yet it's simple joe mooney a bit hand to keep like writing things on your wall and whatever and honestly that's how you create bad blood because people are not stupid. They can see that you've proud is is replying to some people over some those now see if you're doing it intentionally. You have bag beef specifically. Ignore them more about that. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about your decision to particularly not reply to you know exposing but in general i've really noticed this like it'll be someone's birthday or anniversary your some occasion or something they have achieved and you will be written something or the other or something nice and things sweet sounding something. Positive people just replied to like selective. Oh you know i mean you got a selective comments and i find that deplorable. That's damn rude. That's like saying you know your you walk into a room and so many people greeting your. Tom ignoble acknowledged gotovina. That's not how it works so this is something i feel strongly about and i don't think this is a very it's hard rock. It science megiddo get to rule and how much time does it take to reply to everybody to mamata but gentle naoki millions of comments. I mean i'm guessing like if i'm dumbarton. It's an has gone into this podcast in alabama so i got up soon rental uploaded but to everyone is genuinely on our madaba. Ah gentle fees loan to reply everybody if you're not blanket everybody and just liking everyone's gomez that's fine. I hope you understood the point but already very common mistake that everyone makes. I think it just leaves a back beast in people's mouths and it's not it's not good social media etiquette. That's that's. It's all i wanna see so. That's why one boy number two is very simple earlier geissler conceicao vici- go ahead. Just don't write things like h. B. like i noticed this basic but just don't like each be default happy but they just want to know what you're doing that extra time name that you're saving from not writing happy boot b. and deciding each. I really want to know because it makes no sense. It is oh not funny not will and <hes> yeah. It's actually like it's just one of those things. Don't write on on social media. I just don't see dealer tang's deal. I know i know i like older. People do this and they're well meaning but alike. It's is this one of those things that i'm just telling you that young people laugh at so don't say don't write each be and can i tell you the worst worst one when someone passes if you want to like give gondola or whatever don't write r._i._p. Like that's very very wrong because because i mean i don't know what you trying to start some like it's not some random forum. You're writing to somebody whose feast law so whatever also just i mean just say i'm so sorry for your loss. Like how much time is that going to take. You just won't right r.i.p. That's very very bad social media etiquette etiquette and it's the worst kind honestly and you know you would think key messages. Hey you don't be howled remember. They won't even care well. Let me tell you that's not true. That's not true because i've been through it so i know it is not true. You kind of do remember what everyone writes all every one but amazon like both something like that it doesn't leave you saw just the r._i._p. Just removed from your vocab ab and please do away with okay okay. There's another thing that used to be very common before this one completely admitting that i also used to do you and unfortunately this combat facebook. Memories does not act. We forget that. I used to do this but do not post apocalyptic. Oh cryptic message on facebook. I agree. We used to all do that at some point or maybe i can't speak whatever is rude at some point but you've gone sam agrees to use facebook differently then and so many features of genes the wall system changed newsfeed came in much later. I don't even normally blood of it. How much is book has changed over the years and it used to be used very differently which is also why in your facebook memories. You will notice noticed that you've said a lot of things. Would you normally wouldn't put on a public platform. You've kind of course you would write to your friend and honestly. I don't know whether we thought its private or maybe it wouldn't be displayed for everybody. You know i don't know what but you ended ended up saying like alerts alerts things that you would only see too often and i don't know if that happens to you but on reminded of it very often through facebook memories but yeah bottom liners that dog we used to use facebook vague differently so hence you know we used to have facebook status and that used to be very cryptic. Take stuff we would put down on not. That's just because demand. We used to use it that way today. If you do that excuse me collect judge you also. It seems like a belief for like. I'm so bizarre up. Please gimme attention because i mean if you put something very anybody cryptic and dramatic than i'm guessing not many people really care but maybe run order. <unk> people will say he won. You know. Tell me why you post that but i don't know it's no more for him to do that. Maybe it never wasn't we just used stupidly but do not do that very you're not from some miami bird film. You're not some character so please just like get it together though if you're having a tough data life forever there's a lot of like there's a lot of things you can do instead of coming to facebook and leaving a cryptic message it's qualify tension shen and i'm telling you it doesn't it doesn't look cool so don't do it yeah same thing however if you do on instagram you will be appreciated footed because data's those are my friends that as our new c._d._c. I mean if you put a pretty picture of yourself with a cryptic message. You're gonna get a lot of lights and i'm not saying that that's great news. I'm just very honestly what works on what social media so yeah. I mean in case you really want to post apocalyptic message. You probably want to find an aesthetic picture of yourself or click anesthetic picture of yourself in black and white or something i dunno and just just add the cryptic message and certainly won't seem as creepy. I know when i describe it now that sounds more creepy but welcome to this world which has its own rules and i'm just being honest with you. That's how it works now. This point is really spilling the now what we live in the real world and sometimes be bill annoy us and we want to delete them or block them and this is the most natural lim buzz in the world and if you the person listening to this is like young then yager noting that when you grew up you're not gonna feel such instincts but let me break it to you. It have also happens when you grow up so it's not like it's not that humid accurately developer gene that prevents you from wanting to you know just like nazia person's face or not your from them or not see the accomplishments mints and that means. You're going to want to block or delete people. That's a fact now. I knew way too many people who have impulsively blocked or deleted someone on and then you know whatever it's it's. It's like the start of brahma okay. It's like just drama. Drama drama and i'm not your for that i don't. I don't believe genuinely have ever deleted anyone own. I can't i mean the fact that i can't remember what it means. Is that even if it has happened. It's been so insignificant or i've never deleted anyone important basically so just to put it do you i won't i won't ask you to fight the instinct. The instinct is natural but there is a genius where you can do this where you are not affected by. I percents boss oil day or night and that is unfold. Lou like on <hes>. I think facebook it's called unfo- where where you're not unflinching the person okay. You're just the are on your social media but they won't reach you and they are not even going to come to know that you followed them which is honestly the the best part of this like. They are not gonna nor that. You've taken any step. Do would move there and talk sick vibes from your life and <hes> yob but do you. You've not done anything bad right. You've not unfounded the person so please please just instead of untrained. 'cause that's an i mean. That's an impulse right. That's an impulsive thing and you never know like me. We are going to have to ask the person again or the ad you then. Everyone gets notification or they can see it on facebook and that just adds to the drama so just like on facebook. There is an follow us. I think on instagram there is mute so you will not see those person that person's boss in your feed which is a blessing because you don't want that so i think this is a very very very this is like the most important i can give you because i i think people nordisk but war job things are like when things all heated. I don't think is very easy to remember these things but john hoping that because you've record this now you will remember it next time and honestly just be liberal with that mute button. Whoever you feel is just not worth it. You don't want to see see what they're up to and their day and you don't wanna see anything. You don't want to see the vacation pictures for instance cast muthana. Just you keep you stay happy. Do what it takes to keep yourself happy but don't start the drama of blocking a person or whatever on following them all this. You don't understand you think it's just like all your clearing up the distinction the toxic vice but you are actually like it's more among especially if that person is you know your you are immediate the soccer or like your friends or your or your family or whatever you know. It's not the end of the road. I mean they're still going to be in your of scheme of things so you might as well just exercise these options and save save you and that person the scrutiny from the world because whatever it is that your equation with that person is going through <hes> doesn't need to be on public display and you can help that so yeah i'm following mute offense and please use them liberally next point and i've lost track because the time i've known said the numbers but the next point it does about limiting the number of flack social good messages you post <hes>. I know this is controversial because anybody the china bowls something for the cause is always a good thing right but especially on facebook. I just feel like i don't want to key. He being bombarded with messages of causes that you may support of feeling ford because also it runs the risk of getting into that jet activism nine like if you're really really care about 'cause then why you just posting on facebook lake you will always be doing more than that. If you get about something so just think about that the next time your just like feeling the urge to bombard any social media actually is only about a facebook. It's true for even instagram and it's true for three to orbit. I'm not gonna talk about because. I believe not a lot. Earthly believe in used widow anymore <hes> i do corp. On mindset stories and that's what i gathered from there <hes> but yeah i am onto widow my i may ideas <unk> donnie. Please look me up if you are widow but i i just feel like the twitter world works very differently. I think politics is discussed a lot with others of trolling on widow but the reason i selected dot is because it's excellent for news <hes> be there are some really intellectual people there who come up with some really insightful threads on important issues and i like to be updated on those things and so i have access to that that because i mean if i keep checking though that i can keep checking those things and <hes> it can be duly from time to time. I have to say so on twitter. I would not like me. They don't get to go on things <hes> dr other things you wanna talk about. Take advantage of sword and don't make too how many threads that's that's all. I would say because apparently even threats rating. I don't really know the logic of that but yeah it does not point to your trade. Then don't make it read but really has something to say then make a trade but it is on any social media just like come down with the social goodness so whatever the the activism because i have to remind you that i it would constitute as jet activism if you're not doing anything alongside posting on social media ooh. This is a good good one. I've made notes and referring to minute. Send admiring them but of dawn start having conversations below other people's profiles oh files. I've noticed this a lot like fit example. If you are do friends and you're talking you towards friends profile this could even happen on on instagram or facebook but dorn meet that conversation conversation personal where the friend whose origin reserve posted this <hes> literally is left out like you. They don't know what you're talking about because you'll have gone into some other private joke or whatever these are just i mean which hogan if if you keep doing it but i understand that you like it's just avoidable. It's bad etiquette like <hes> see if you do that on a public select honest liberties release profile. It's fine if the joke is about shadow khan it's okay you can crack a joke but if it's about literally someone you know it's extremely rude so don't do it and i wouldn't. I would also urge you to not do it. You know on the profile of like bloggers influencers like i remember malik edouard. Do i once boasting about this and saying like listen like made up profiles. Get out of your like. Don't keep having these private conversations. You'll also feel like being being sued to the person you know suppose. You're tagging off or luke. How actor celebrity is looking for luke. How <hes> unfunny joke is i. I mean it's really embedded of do remember that everyone is human and i'm going to be a nice on social media than what's the humna. You never know woods <unk> who it's affecting. I wanted to say and i don't know what that gave out as you never know. Who is who it's affecting so just if if you can be eliminated so i mean it's just good for good karma. That's all i would say you thought this would be one of those short episodes because it's like social media and quickpoint those but clearly there is no such thing with me. I will just go on no matter how short the binders so. I'm actually going conclude this right here over the last dip that i can give you which is actually <hes> you can say it's a it's about social media etiquette but it's just about using using social media in present the and in the real world wherein please if you're out somewhere for having dinner with your family if you're having if you're on a deed or even whom but you're with your loved ones just keep instagram and facebook and everything side for that time like doc. I know this. I like sound preachy but genuinely. I'm telling you something. I'm really good at this. I will be having a meal with friends his or with my husband or talking to mom and i won't even look at my phone so i don't want. I'm not telling you this because because it's like or you know do this and i'm telling you i'm good at it and it really makes your life or different you can really be present in in the real world and you can really enjoy people's company only if you're not so hot and bothered about what's happening on your phone so just just make that a habit. I once met somebody for work and they actually after meeting paid me a compliment. They said you know i know you'll see just about what you do because on meeting went on for so long and you won't even tempted to look at your phone once and i know while that saw questionable because i mean what if someone was trying to reach me but oh you know like if it's work and it means something to you then you shouldn't just keep looking at your phone like that. I'm so glad that that person noticed because is a truly. I was really immersed in the meeting and i'm so glad that came across so just leaving you with that last if that social media is not everything appreciate what's happening around you and enjoy the moment things are going to seem funny. Jokes will be a lot more pleasant and you know just be at nights will be nice and just the world will be better if you learn to like live in the moment and distillery from social media besides i mean if we can talk tauscher media etiquette and more about life etiquette right. We shouldn't be just be glancing at your phone. Everyone second so yes. That is what i'm going to end in this episode on. Please let me know if there are tips that you would like to add this or that. You would like to remind me that. I completely forgot to add. I'd be happy to keep this conversation going. You know where you can reach me. It's actual goldco on instagram and oh yeah what better place to talk about social media right. Thank you for tuning in as always. 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Episode 140: AA Beyond Belief Live Call In Show. Well do it live!
"Well I already started that wrong. I'm not able to stream on facebook for whatever reason but we're here on Youtube to this is a beyond belief a podcast by four in about people who have found a secular path to sobriety in alcoholics likes anonymous and happy New Year and welcome to the first live calling episode for a beyond belief. We're streaming gene simultaneously on well. I thought facebook facebook but not but we are streaming on Youtube and now we're only going to stream the audio portion seven so you aren't GonNa see me but what you will see is the logo of the podcast. The Guy with the headphones and you will see a phone number. That number is eight. Four eight nine nine eight two seven eight and the purpose of that phone number is so that you can call us and participate in this episode. So what will happen if all goes well is I am going to speak for about maybe twenty or thirty minutes on a couple of topics that I've been on my mind lately and then we will open up the phones the topics that I was considering discussing where anonymity and AA is is this a tradition is tradition still necessary and the secular a movement. Is it a movement and if so where is it going line so when you do call in a please feel free to talk about whatever's on your mind you don't need to stick with the topics that I'm participating on tonight. You can ask questions you can make any other sort of comment just say hello. Whatever you WanNa do I just love to hear from you but before we get into that? I figured that since since it is New Year's Day it might be nice to look back at two thousand nineteen and and see how the podcast went that year. It was an interesting year as far as the PODCAST. Hot cast goes I In the beginning of the year I kind of was in the doldrums. I wasn't posting a lot of episodes during the first part of the year. I think I posted once in April all. I didn't post anything in May maybe one episode in June There was just luck going on I I I think I need to break but in July kind kind of reassess what I was doing and I made a commitment to begin posting episodes once a week. And we've been doing that thus far in fact we're now posting twice a week because what we're doing on Sunday we're going to be posting the typical podcast episodes that The typical typical episodes were. It's an interview type Style episode and then on Wednesdays we will be posting the speakers secular speakers so so we have a large amount of audio on a beyond belief audio page of people who've given talks that opening a meetings and conferences conferences. And they're all people who are in a WHO approach the program from a secular perspective. Got Somebody in the queue to call in right now but I'm not quite ready to take collars haulers. You're you'RE GONNA have to hold on there if you don't mind but I'll get to you your your area code five eight zero so anyway I just want to tell you that It's been a great year. A couple of good things happen in two thousand nineteen number one. I reconnected with Ben. He came back and we did some episodes talking about some movies. And if you haven't actually listened to the episode of one man loves a woman I would recommend. That was a lot of fun. And I'm kind of proud of that episode so it's been good to have him back and other thing that we did is brought Angela be on board and she has been my co host as we go through the twelve steps again and that added has also been interesting and actually very good for me Angela has an interesting perspective. She started off in the program in a actually she came from another fellowship. She started going to AA meetings. And almost from the beginning. I believe she helped start a secular a group and she started working the steps from a secular perspective by using alternative twelve steps book but she also at the same time was going to other meetings because she had to go to other meetings and she's going to traditional meetings and she became familiar with you know a traditional approach to a as well so she can tailor her approach to wherever you're coming from and and anyway she takes a very deliberate approach towards the steps at very serious approach to the steps and it was really good for me to listen to what she he had to say. So if you haven't listened to any of those episodes I'd recommend those as well I will tell you that I do love podcasting i. I have a lot of fun doing this. I've learned a great deal from you. And all the other guests who have come on the podcast and I I sometimes forget though that That this is very meaningful to a lot of people out there and every once in a while you remind me when you send me an email and you tell me how how much the podcast has meant to you Because you might not have a meeting that has secularly formatted in your area so Listening to speakers and our guests on the podcast is your opportunity to hear your story told by other people through your in your own words so I'm looking forward to two thousand twenty In twenty twenty a beyond belief will be five years old in September. We'll have our fifth anniversary and if we continue on our current posting schedule we'll probably reach two hundred episodes by the end of the year. So that's kind of a goal anyway so enough of that then you might notice that. I'm introducing the podcast a little bit differently now. what I'm doing is I'm letting people know right off the the bat. What does podcast is? It's a podcast for by and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety alcoholics anonymous. And the reason I do dad I just want to be upfront straight right away to let people know in very simple terms what that says You know we're not this isn't an AA group. We're not affiliated with anybody what we are are members of alcoholics anonymous. Most of us who have found a way to do this program and a secular secular way and we have come together in an online community to share our experience with one another and this podcast is a medium of doing that. And that's all that that's all that we're doing now when I am hosting this podcast I maintain my anonymity. And I'm sorry I I can't pronounce that word for some reason but I don't use my last name. I just use my first name. And last John S and most of the guests who come on here who who speak about they're they're experiencing a also only used their last initial out of respect for the tradition of and anonymity. So Oh that's I. That's kind of a way to kind of get into the first topic I think of you know anonymity and why we use it I I. I mainly use it out of habit out of respect for alcoholics anonymous That's why I maintain anonymity at the level press radio film and on the Internet. But I have to tell you I have been questioning the practice. Recently I understand that confidentiality is important and it's really important that a newcomer feels that when he or she goes to an AA meeting that whatever they say they're stays there That's that's really important and I but that confidentiality isn't really the same thing as anonymity and I sometimes wonder can't you have confidentiality without anonymity. I mean it seems like other programs that support people do that I you know I think about refuge. Recovery spoke to my friend. Dave Owens about that. They don't have to be anonymous and refuge recovery and yet they still respect the confidentiality of their members. So what is it about a that makes us want to be anonymous so I went and read the twelve traditions and twelve steps on the twelfth traditions. And as you know there are two traditions that mention anonymity and that would be traditions. Eleven in twelve and traditional Levin says our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level level of press radio and films now as you read through the essay on traditional eleven. You'll notice that they say that publicity is okay. That's good Ed. It's okay that is in the movies on television. It's in the radio it's in the public eye that's great but what is bad is the promotion and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa read you a quote from the twelve and twelve. It says in there that quote nearly every one of us are irrepressible. astle promoters and quote. It's frightening to have a society full of promoters. So you know I I have to question that is that really true is nearly every single one of us and irie pressel promoter. I don't think so. I don't think they're very many of us. WanNa go around promoting a I think most of us you know Kinda. Keep it on the download. Our membership in alcoholics anonymous. I mean is just like you know. It's not something that is relevant for me to talk about am I you know in my day to day life or whatever it's just it's not something that I wanna do. I don't have that that EGO TO WANNA be the spokesperson for alcoholics anonymous. And I haven't really met many people in a WHO do so. I'm not really buying that that. We are irrepressible promoters promoters and that it's really frightening that that our whole organization is full of people like that another thing that tradition eleven says in the essay that I found really interesting. Pain is it talks about how organizations seen to attract people or rather promote their organizations by Through the prestige of the people who are in the organization and again I. I wonder if that's even true. You know and it says. Aa can't shouldn't do that but our people really the attracted to an organization because of personality and in particular the prestige of a particular person. I don't think so again so so you know. I'm just kind of questioning these things. And then then I you know you look at tradition twelve and it talks about how it is spiritual foundation of all of our traditions sends reminding us to place principles before personalities. Now this tradition. What was started because it was? It was important. Horton for people that that they that they have some confidentiality in alcoholics anonymous. That what they say there is sacred and remains in the room. Apparently according to the essay that bill w wrote in the early days there were stories being spread around that people would hear in a meeting and that was putting into jeopardy. Yeah pretty you know the whole idea of alcoholics anonymous. That you could come in and it's really funny. I just realized I forgot to hit the record button first time I did that on a podcast. But that's okay. Youtube is recording it so cool anyway. So that's the deal they are now. It's really interesting that this whole thing about anonymity. Another reason that it it came about. Is You know the big book says that they did it because there were so few of them and the big book was GonNa make such a big deal they wouldn't be able to handle all the publicity If people know who they were but but What what was really going on if you read? Ernest Kurtz Book Not God is a the early people in AA. They were really wanting to depart from on the Oxford Group and they were kind of self conscious of this connection to Oxford Group. You see the Oxford Group was really big about evangelizing and they so they would expect the the people in the Oxford Group to go out in the public and talk about how the Oxford Group changed their lives. Well L. The early members didn't think that that would be an effective way for them to reach other alcoholics through evangelizing and they themselves didn't want to put themselves out in the public because it could jeopardize their careers if you know. They came out publicly as an alcoholic and another reason that they had for remaining anonymous automous is they were afraid that their their egos would get out of hand if they started traveling around. I'm speaking about how wonderful their sobriety is. And why did for them. So those are some of the reasons that were given for anonymity. But I have to to ask is. has there ever been a situation where anonymity has been broken. That hurt a and if you do call in any you know of such such such a situation I would like to hear about it but I will talk about real quickly. A couple of famous Historical instances of anonymity being broken and one of the first was the was a baseball player in Cleveland. In the Nineteen Forty S. His name was Rollie Hemsley and he was the Catcher Catcher for the Cleveland Indians. And the Cleveland Indians at the time had a pitcher a young man who had a lot of problems and needed a lot of guidance and mentor a mentorship so Raleigh had about alcohol problem but he got help through a a and got sober and through his sobriety he was able to become a great mentor for this troubled young man who was such a great pitcher for the Cleveland Indians. Well somehow the story got out In the the press in the newspaper and people all over Cleveland learned about alcoholics anonymous. And those people in Cleveland. They were really protective of their anonymity. Not they were almost like a secret organisation they they were just really under the covers but anyway after Raleigh came out with his story in the paper that the Cleveland area was flooded with people interested in alcoholics anonymous. So what ended up happening is more a meeting started and also the tradition of sponsorship began. Because what was going on so many people were coming in the AA. You had to make sure that these people were serious about wanting to be sober sober so they had to have someone sponsor them to get into a meeting They had the votes for that person's sincerety to be sober and that practice developed in to the practice of sponsorship that we know today Another thing that happened is they started using the big book. MORE IN CLEVELAND CLEVELAND. Around this time so all I see from that break of anonymity were positive things that happened. Nothing bad happened when he you broke his anonymity now. What would did Raleigh get drunk? Did he say I don't know. Would it have mattered. I don't think it would have I. I don't think that people were attracted today a simply because of Raleigh's personality but it was the story it was it was the story of Alchoholic synonymous that attracted them and Raleigh. Just happened to be the person who told it another instance that is famous. I guess is is Mardi man one of the first women and a and she broke her anonymity what she did when I was reading. Earn skirts curses book. Not God. I'm really not clear if she out and out announced that she was a member of AA. But what she would do. She would freely and openly talk about her alcoholism and it was just assume that people who did that were in AA. But another thing that she did and this goes right to the prestigious you she started an organization called the National Council for Education on alcoholism the NCAA which later became the National Council on Alcoholism Awesome and drug addiction. which is now known as I believe something else but she started this organization and when she wanted to get it started she put bill? Ws and Dr Bob's CBS. Actually their first and last names on the organization's stationary and then she emailed that out to people and so she was suggesting that alcoholics anonymous us in the form of Bill Bob were behind her organization well. AAU members all over. The place threw a fit and forced her to take those names off off of the letterhead but Marty if she broke her anonymity what happened from that. That hurt a i. Just don't know I. I mean what she ended up doing. Is She helped stigmatize the disease the excuse me the disease of alcoholism and she went on to start an organization that has done a lot of good over the years so there you go now another thing that I will mention very quickly is the Jack Alexander's Saturday evening. Post story that wasn't necessarily a break of anonymity People weren't using their last names but they certainly had their pictures taken for the magazine And also wasn't what's the difference between between that. Why how is that not promotion? And it's not to say it was a bad thing. I mean that Saturday evening. Post article attracted a lot of people to call it synonymous you know and the the fellowship grew from that. So I'm not saying I'm against the anonymity and that we should abandon it. I'm just saying I'm questioning right now. I'm my view of it is changing I used to be a stalwart supporter. And I'm kind of wondering really. Why are we even doing this? I sometimes get the feeling that we're doing it. Because it's a way to control people like bill. Wilson was really wanting to control so that he was the sole promoter. He didn't want other people. Being the promoter you know they were afraid that we are a society of promoters so so I kind of have a feeling it was a way to kind of maintain control Anyway enough that the final thing I want to talk about and I. I don't even know how long I'm going because I wasn't recording for the first part. Oh I see eighteen minutes okay. Final thing want to talk about is secular a so called secular. A is it a movement I say no. It's not it's not a movement. What secular a is is just people who have started special special interest? Aa Meetings for those who prefer a secular experience in Aa so these are special purpose meetings. It's like the LGBTQ meetings started. It's like women's meetings like young people's meetings it's like medical professionals meetings. It's like like the native Americans meetings. They're special interest meetings within alcoholics anonymous. They're not a movement. I think when I think of a movement I think of an organized effort to affect change. I don't think that is going on with the secular groups. I can't speak for any other group. I can't even speak for the members who go to my meetings and Kansas City at we agnostics but nobody in those meetings talk about making any sorts of change in A. They're happy at our meeting doing our thing and the rest of as happy with us doing our thing. They don't know about as far as I know. No one ever talks about excited whenever talks about secular Dot Org. They don't even talk about. No one ever talks anything. It's like all this talk about so-called movement in my mind only seems to exist online exists in a facebook groups and go online conversations so again. I don't believe that there is a movement. I just believe that that there is a desire of people to start special interest special purpose. AM meetings for agnostics atheists and that's been going on since nineteen seventy five and all we have now. We have an organization that supports that. The secular a organization is there to support the creation. I guess of these these special purpose a groups. It's not out to change a or two separate from a or do anything like that. It's not a movement is just simply there to support secular groups okay so I participated now for twenty one minutes and we do have a caller. I hope we haven't lost him. I'm going to go ahead and see if I can get him on the phone. Hello thanks for calling how you doing. he's not there. I don't think he might are you there okay. That didn't work. I WANNA DROP YOU WANNA call back back. Who knows anyway if you want to call in our number? Her is eight four four eight nine eight two seven eight so the phones are open and you can call in if you'd like Mike to comment when it's calling. Here's hello hey good you're there. How are you this John? Hey John this is trey. And I'm doing great i. I didn't realize that I would be the only collars. Yeah well. This is our first time doing this. And now there are nine people watching it on Youtube. which is Kinda cool I tried to? I tried to extreme this on facebook. But that didn't work. I probably should have tried to figure out how to do it before where I went live. Also funny that I didn't remember to record ties like halfway through my diatribe but anyway that's what you get when you do something for the first time so right. So what's on your mind. I didn't I didn't catch the first topic. What was the first Anonyna- anonymity anonymity and I can't pronounce it but anonymity anonymity? Oh I did catch our topic out topic and living in a secular right I gotta okay. Well I can say I ah sort of an ultimatum years or Lou. Wild Albert Well just once. I called into the atheist experience while scoring well even like that was when I really like I opened out. I I came out online. You know what I mean. That kind of has an entity because in my the town I live in We are there's I've been sober and more and before that I had for two thousand nine to two. I mean like ninety ninety nine to two thousand nine I had I got ten years of sobriety took a break for two years and came back and and nine route that first years I I really I was being called agnostic. Back I really and I just couldn't it God talk or Just became something that was overwhelming. It was like we're in a church situation here we are. We were really have. Turn the soup overwhelming my wife and I I have a dream and that leads to two years of bad Just brunches not so good I mean a great time but it just not even lose my job Shaw or anything I didn't I was I. Don't insane man there. Were there. Were happening stress. That'd be all imagination and so arnold got in my neck the back they got a new sponsor and he So that made it. I haven't I had a hard time with their prayer where the works career and and it was a great meeting. I mean ah I like rain out of meetings in abor because of the fact back that I do feel and that's why they started and that's why people are starting these these meetings as just like you. You know there was a time when if you were gay and you went to an AA meeting. You were not made to feel welcome or comfortable and that time. That wasn't that long ago and so they started. They started groups special interest groups for the LGBTQ community. You know and and I was just talking about that. They they were special special interest groups and that's an agnostics and atheists actually have been doing that as well since one thousand nine hundred seventy five. So yeah hopefully. Hopefully you and time will meet somebody and one of these meetings who you how might want to step out with you and go start your own secular meeting. It's not that difficult to do. And after you get some time under under your belt you might want to consider doing that if you meet someone that's like-minded. I actually this kind of strange. But I worked to my birthday hosted meeting or two months ago there I went I wrote a letter out my group because I I mean I do say over you and I couldn't say what to say for so long. I wrote him a letter and I read that letter. I admitted that I was in that letter and I said you can do. What my sponsor dies is saying Hey brought you may not believe in God. I believe when I don't look like it but I mean whatever floats your boat data after right after I've spoken about my experience and this and this kid from a kid he was twenty six years sold in and out on the streets of US six years old And who said I thought this was just just a bunch of or and he said I never spoken. I mean he's total told us that he never spoke. How been doing there? But he said he said I thought this was just a bunch of old people and I it's very. I opened up a new right. Well we had another guy call in but he just or she just hung up but if you WANNA call back the lines the lines are still open but anyway thank you try. It was nice. It was nice talking to you by. Hi So yeah. If you'd like to call back the lines are open. The or the line is open. Here he is he's he's back. I think no okay anyway anyway. So so trey found himself uncomfortable at the traditional meetings. Because of the Lord's prayer and the heavy uh you know emphasis on God and that's obviously common and again like I said that's why you know we have special purpose groups oops for Okay someone's calling. I'll talk to them. Hello Hello Oh hi. This is John John with. Aj How are Ya oh pj how you doing. uh-huh how funny I I know you said I couldn't read it from overseas but I have about that I guess you can now now. I wonder if I wonder if the people listening are hearing the crackling noises a from the people that call in. I hope that quality isn't that bad. It's okay boy. This is kind of fun. Pj It's something that I never. I don't know I just had this idea. Hey you know what I got. Some new equipment is what happened. PG got some new podcast equipment Clinton. And I'm very excited about all the different things I can do with it and I learned you can take these calls so we're not so we won't talk about yes that's right. I'll look interest in the end of the and I tell you personally I liked about. It was when I came to a AH off my drinking my whole life and I was just off my name. Yeah you know I mean initial official stockton a really It was it was thought of nine protection. I guess and All sorts of great living. Because did he say to people During a lot to do for a living I like it that way. equalizing I I did think that Anybody who You live on the damage. I know guy who's broken out. Walk by a colleague and job when the box down so Yeah which is probably pretty rare nukes going back years ago. But I do think Looking at the Christening podcast and you made me think about it and I view and take on things so doing what I really need it. I guess it depends on the situation and I think I'm happy here I am too I. I'm not I'm not like I say about. I'm not going to change it. I in fact I'm still anonymous when it comes to being publicly like that but I don't know I just kind of thought about it because you know these other organizations that help people with addictions you know that aren't twelve step Related they still can maintain the confidentiality of the people that go to those meetings. But they don't have to make a big deal out of being anonymous You know I'm just saying you know. And they and they don't have at this problem. Would I find so funny is when you read the traditions. They they they really bill. W thought that that we were society full of irrepressible promoters voters. Maybe we were talking about him so probably so probably said yeah I know yeah it is also I do think we're The black and white better. We are not gray. I I guess I guess we have you know second or eight dollars worldwide. which we Australia new we? We are asking each other here enough Syria yes. We're getting better not to change A to having Ren- to people like yeah. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah I guess the word just kind of scares me bet because it just seems like you know that people might think that were rebels or that. We're trying to upset the cart or that were organized at a top down level level. You know because we're not and you know I just think about the people in my group who don't really know about the rest of the what they don't really care about what's going on outside of the group but now we are. I see what you're saying though because it's even the gay groups when they were starting that was sort of a movement I mean they weren't. They didn't feel welcome in AA so they got together and they started groups and in meetings. And and I guess through Helping each other do that and word of mouth and even organized you know there is to this day. Gala which is a website insight for that organization. So yeah anyway yeah I think I. I'll take a leaf out of John. Hartson Book Doc. What kind of thing you know we're saying? Oh take a real thing again at something out like that. Make me even fairy tales. me where like relay. That's nice audio tape on your meeting. Tangles for the people. Not Okay. Big Book sold on. PJ HE JAY is. I tried to introduce the big book at our step meeting that we started after you left and it didn't go over. Well they don't like it the church I thank you got another dollar Pat. Thanks so much thank you take care. Okay bye bye hello. This is John O.. L. Lines J. B.. I'M IN MEMPHIS Tennessee. Are you know pretty well. How's it going good? Thank you probably by the panthers on okay with Brand New York. Yeah yeah it is kind of funny. I I was. I was really quite nervous about this before I started and I thought to myself. Why the hell am I doing this? Call the stress in and figured out after. Yeah Yeah I knew I was going to where you learned a few things. I gotTA figure out the facebook part because I thought for sure that facebook would go and it didn't anyway so what's on on your mind. Let you have these podcasts out. And but one thing about When you're saying you had a little bit of a hiatus been thinking about the format with Youtube and podcasts? Now you're his robot over two and a half ears as fiber meeting goes from the beginning. Obser- I get burned out sometimes. Don't feel like putting them out constantly. I that is true. We had built up quite a library of of those things which is pretty pretty incredible? But Yeah Yeah. Thank you for for saying that and reminding me of that so so you know maybe I need to take a break every once in a while you know when I was I started getting over I was one who i. I didn't get in early or anything. I just stayed out all long time. And then just finally got to be fifty fifty before I even considered going down or stop it or anything about the functioning but Even the regular speakers like clancey I from the regular those speaker things that you can't get to a meeting or you just get. I just would feel down sometimes early. There's a you know they're a little bit to be picked up all over the place and I think the I think the secular means of definitely. I think what you said is better. You know you're not trying to reform and make everyone else switch. Just Nice I go to most meetings. I go there pretty heavy handed with all that stuff but I just you know. It's just aww is treated like a ritual. It's just the ritual they do for ten minutes and then after that at the meeting and helping another once we get past that so that when I was reading the book I it says You know our prime purpose and then then you see all the other stuff like what about rap primary purpose of we kinda working against the primary purpose with worrying about how they do it and this and that in this day and age with these always other things out there that to you know send them down to the bad path. That does he much younger age. I think we probably purposes the most important thing to me the primary purpose as far as to stay sober and help others achieve sobriety right. Don't worry about you know to how they do it. How they how they do your step of the way things heavy handed sponsors and stuff? Yeah I agree with that too. It's totally up on. The anonymity is clancy He talked about all the history of Maryland. I get a lot of sure but He's got a million tapes on there and the other regular speaker types I mean they go back to the fifties all the way to now interesting different perspective to me and He said a lot of times. It ends up messing them up the one. He said that several the ones that would talk like you mentioned before they ended up out doing stuff that you know it it. You know you people can overdo the anonymity I believe I don't. He's kind of advise that it. It's fine for you to tell you when you want to your alcohol or saying the person's in alcoholics kind of enough I don't I don't specifically woody but I just haven't alcoholic. I go to meetings. I figured out and I was like Craig Ferguson. On his show he came out one time after after he got over on his show and he talked about it at length and he said always treatment centers in this matter all fine but back after that. You know there's a there's a place it's very near the beginning of the fobel real close to rename. Yeah he mentioned that he was kind of cute about it. Then wasn't he just said that. Yeah Yeah everywhere you know. People will do that sometimes too. I'll hear celebrities say that they're going to twelve step fellowship fellowship as well as good as you're going to start you stop drinking and you're going to twelve step program and that's okay that's okay but it doesn't hurt anybody that's the thing I've never seen. I mean I understand that an anonymity break can hurt an individual person and that's probably enough of a reason to have it but it's never as it's hard I know her a is a whole but I agree. You Know Alanon runs ads on the radio. The over here in al-anon right right. Well I appreciate your call. I got someone else in key right now and they go ahead and take their call. Yes history episodes and I'll keep talking. Well thank you take care bye. Hello Hi this is John John. Talk on Oughta. Oh Hi how are you. I dared many well. We're Kinda they kinda my purity. Uh Hey did you say thirtieth turn congratulations. That's that's great. Thank you gentlemen by a lot of people figures. Play talk about how they were longer than that. I don't agree with. I did what were and where we're at. The I mean they just care right I got I got our Rob Reiner. I kind of hope for the first twenty minutes of karate. I was the and I care. Budding young that letting go of we've been going to jeopardize priority and keep do all trend and and by that I mean other Aberdeen. I had what. Why do I believe it? How do I know I'm like why they right and I they do? You know why they're on and I asked question Potter then I mean after a while how they got the all the all camping rate but they can be wrong. Yeah and the higher power. I don't know One of the things that you talk about your twenty one page must musk addition and the gun and Jenin bar. Aw I can't imagine your tour spirituality. New Culture goodness. That's why that works for you. Crap Crap Oh do you really. Yeah I'll have to figure out what that what's causing that. WHO KNOWS I? I got a lot to learn about this whole thing the setup because I think I should be able to take call see I. I watched a lot of youtube videos about how to do this. And everybody else just perfect inserted. Great so I must be doing something wrong I must have had must have it. Set up wrong or something but it's still nice to hear from people we're getting close. We're getting close. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A. We're probably going to be able to do more podcasts. That are that will be done live and where we can take calls. I'm enjoying this already. It's fun hearing from people you Yeah yeah I I chat room by please. They do live broadcasts partaken. Okay maybe chat thing the great. Yeah we can we can absolutely do that It was easy to do it on on Youtube. I can't figure out facebook but that's okay I'll figure it out eventually and then I do WanNa get this this Crackling thing settled as well. 'cause that's kind of weird but anyway still seems to be working band featured take it and they did their dirty in your world. Congratulations thank you and I went to Janet Good Christmas holiday. Hey there more than I do not have to be loud and I work with other people share share by strange that they all have now where I live. There are no. ATS or in my in my area code. One is weighed in in I. I bet you would do that with the way I've had. You're on our podcast before for when you were guests on the podcast here. Weren't you some time ago. Yes that's right. I remember that I remember that. 'cause as you know my my family is originally from Florida and I'm real familiar with that part of the country and and North Florida in particular. I remember I was going down to Jacksonville around the time that you and I did that podcast and I went to the Florida state convention down there which was really interesting. We had We did the we agnostics panel the convention which turned out. Pretty pretty would turn out really well. I don't know if they'd done another one down there since. But I really liked the community of of the agnostic and Jacksonville and I've stayed in touch with them coming since I've came back from there the Nice people I would be happy. I like it I would not there but you know my car. I live live air conditioning. And then more charity. You leave your auto that you hear how about our boys speech dip do today so I don't like it very often and the Jack Benny. I'm going to ask a lot isn't it. Yeah Yeah I was lucky that one they paid. Hey My way and they they actually put me up in a hotel room to participate. He was kind of fun man. So yeah I I watched you. You're speaking and the I thought there I have to look for you and I don't know if he did or not he Okay well we've been going now for forty seven forty eight minutes so we might want to. I I might WanNa start wrapping things up Does anybody else out there. WanNa call in. If so I'M GONNA go ahead I think and close it up if that's okay. Hey So I'M GONNA go ahead and see if if this thanks for calling Paul. It was nice talking to you. Know I went to a a pagan that we probably end include Bessemer in Baghdad became that I've Okay so interesting about that crackling stuff. We'll figure that out. It was fun. Oh boy we got someone else. Okay Sernicola okay so anyway this thank you Thank you for your patience. Thank you for listening and for chatting on the Youtube you Deal here This was a lot of fun so I'm going to be closing this thing and there we go. That's the music that I use the clothes and I always say thank you. This is another episode of AA beyond belief. The podcast. Thank you for listening. If you would like to support the podcast and the website. We would appreciate it. You can do that by making donations at paypal paypal dot me slash avion belief or just go to the website and click on donate but anyway. Thanks again. 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Sir Walter Raleigh beheaded / Star of India gem heist - October 29
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History enthusiasts you get not one, but two events in history today heads up the to also might hear two different hosts me and Trophy v Wilson with that fit on with the show. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot com, and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Tracy Wilson and it's October. Twenty Ninth Sir Walter. Raleigh was beheaded for treason on this day in sixteen eighteen Sir Walter. Raleigh was the longtime favourite of Queen Elizabeth. The first he had been born in Devonshire to a family that was well established in the area but not really wealthier prominent. They did have some pretty high up connections though one of these was the woman who served as Elizabeth's governess back when she was still a princess rally also served as a captain in the army during the. Tudor Conquest of Ireland and he was a captain of a unit that massacred Spanish and Italian troops were assisting Irish rebels there this massacre was horrifying but it was also really how England treated rebels at the time the response to rebellion always swift and decisive and meant to deter any further rebellion by the middle of the fifteen eighty s though rally was well into Queen. Elizabeth's good graces. He was knighted she gave him all kinds of estates and land and monopolies on wine licenses and broadcloth exports. A lot of this was very lucrative. After the death of his half-brother Sir Humphrey Gilbert fifteen eighty three rollie also got a charter to colonize America. This led to a series of expeditions that he planned and funded, but didn't actually go on to what's now the coast of North Carolina is included the infamous lost colony of roanoke and the reason that rally didn't personally go on any of these the. Queen wanted him to stay with her in the early nineties though rally almost lost the queen's favor forever by secretly marrying one of her maids of honour and having a child with her the only started to earn the queen's forgiveness through more expeditions to try to seek treasure in the Americas and through fighting against Spain and the Anglo. Spanish war he had gotten. Some of his old positions and favors back when Queen Elizabeth died in sixteen o three and James I of England and six of Scotland became king almost immediately Sir Walter Raleigh was suspected of treason. He was implicated in something called the main plot. This was a plot to overthrow the king and replace him with Lady Arbella Stuart. This was a real plot but. rollie probably wasn't involved in it but by the standards of the law of the day, he did commit treason a very broad law. If you compass or imagined the death of the king that was treason and rally admittedly did that he basically gripes to his friends about how displeased he was with James the first and various ill wishes that he had toward him. Rally was sentenced to death but given a last minute stay and instead sentenced to life in the Tower of London where he spent the next thirteen years with a staff of servants and daily visits from his wife and son and another son who was born to them in sixteen o five in Sixteen Sixteen Rollie. Convinced King James that he could find gold in the Americas and James allowed him to leave. Prison and go look for it and mount another expedition on one condition that condition was that he not attack or harm any Spanish vessels or settlements or people, or any of that England was finally not at war with Spain and James didn't really want that change at all. But this whole thing went wrong sir. Walter. Raleigh got sick and his second in command Lawrence Chemists sometimes called Lawrence, kimes headed takeover. keenest attacked a Spanish force, which was exactly the thing that they had been told explicit league not to do, and then on top of the fact that they attacked a Spanish force, they did not find any gold rally was so unrelenting after this, that keeps took his own life Spain demanded restitution for what rally in his expedition had done and so instead of putting him on trial for that expedition in for those actions, they instead just revived the death penalty for treason that he. had been given earlier on. So He was beheaded on October twenty, ninth sixteen eighteen and a very theatrical execution. His head was delivered to his widow in a bag and she reportedly kept it for the next twenty nine years. Until her own death rally himself reportedly haunts the Tower of London today. 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Harvey One I'm Eve and welcome to this day in History Class A podcast where we dust off a little piece of history and place it ever. So gently on your brain shelf every day. The Day was October twenty, nine, th, one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four. The, Star. Of India, a five, hundred, sixty, three, point thirty, five, CARAT SAPPHIRE was stolen from the American Museum of Natural History in New York City along with twenty three other valuable gyms. The J. P. Morgan Hall of Gems Minerals at the museum was home to a collection of many notable gyms. At the time Joel's for the object of many heist. After seeing a heist movie called Taco, Pay Jack Roland Murphy decided, he could break into Morgan Hall at the American Museum of Natural History and commit his own heist. Murphy also known as Murph the SURF teamed up with Roger Clark in Allendale, coon to steal the gym. On the night of October twenty, ninth nineteen sixty four Clark drove up to the back of the museum with Kuhn and Murphy and a Cadillac. Kuhnen Murphy. Climbed defense ascended a fire escape and used a rope to swing into four window at the museum. The windows were not connected to an alarm system and the museum has stopped putting a guard the Jim Rome. The thieves used glass cutter a squeegee they got from an employee's locker and duct tape to break into three display cases and collect the gyms. Flipped over one display case that contained sapphires but they took plenty of expensive gems including the Star of India. The Delong Star Ruby. The Stettler Emerald and the Midnight Star? A one, hundred, sixteen, CARAT BLACK STAFF IR. The case the Sapphire was in was protected by an alarm. Let the batteries were dead. The next day and Murphy left New York on a flight to Miami with nine year old named. Janet Fork Yovich. As the thieves were on their way to Miami a museum guard discovered that the gyms had been stolen and called the police. The stolen gyms were valued at four hundred and ten thousand dollars but none of them were insured since premiums were high. In a press conference. The museum. Director pinned the bad security on budget cut. It only took two days for detectives, to Track the thieves down detectives got tips that led them to Cambridgehouse hotel where thieves were staying in hosting parties. And Their hotel suite. Detectives found sneakers with glass in them, photos of museums, books about precious stones and burglary tools. One of the detectives stayed in the Hotel Suite overnight and when Clark returns the next morning he was arrested. Murphy and Co were soon arrested in Miami, but the police did not find the hidden gems. The pair were extradited to New York facing charges of first degree burglary and possession of burglary tools. The public impressed largely treated them like celebrities. But law enforcement still needed to find Jim. Assistant District Attorney Maurice Net Jari agreed to take him to Miami to lead him to the gems accompanied by three detectives. After run. INS With the press and coon going back and forth on calls with contacts detectives found to wet bags filled with some of the gyms in a bus station locker. The bags contained the star of India. The midnight star a Sapphire five emeralds into aqua marine. But the Delong Star Ruby wasn't recovered until September of nineteen, sixty five. In nineteen sixty, five coon movie and Clark pled guilty to burglary and grand larceny, and we're all sentenced to three years at rikers island. New York's American Museum of natural. History is still home to thousands of minerals and gems including the star of India and the Delong Star Ruby. I'm Geoff Cope and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. 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Can Harry and Meghan be financially independent?
"The pension reform strikes in France stretch into their thirty six day live from London. This is the marketplace morning report from the BBC World Service. I'm Victoria Craig. Good Morning. Mass demonstrations headed by Francis. left-wing trade unionists have now led to some of the longest public sector strikes in the nation's history protesting train train. Drivers have cost the state railway. More than seven hundred fifty million dollars in lost revenue shops and restaurants have seen a drop off in sales and tourism has slumped with few options for for public transit to get to work Rollie US founder of Ad Agency. Joe Zan describes how he made his morning commute today for me. I'm quite lucky because I moved in. powys always refers quitter but as a direct off company of an advertising agency. It's quite difficult for my employees to move into come into work. It's very difficult for businesses. Small businesses suffer a lot more when big companies with cash we can see a few companies companies. Small shops were too close because the Christmas period is very important player for business. So how are the ongoing clashes between protesters and and the government impacting various sectors of the French economy. Tamaz Makovsky an associate professor of economics at the International Business School. HEC Paris explains on a day like today for when the strike this much stronger. He bowled Ben to cope by this. By for example working at home though in many companies especially large ones in Franz there is now an increasing trend of teleworking. At least one day a week and when the straight hits it's employees are asked to work from home at particular day so even though people are adapting to all of this the Central Bank for example has already. They lowered its economic growth projections for next year and the consumer is a big piece of the story right. Eighty percents of small and medium-sized businesses have reported losses from the strike. Already half say they won't be able to make up for those lost sales. So who is a strike hurting the most in particular the GEEKS or shops to her in large cities that are hurt the most were still waiting for the exact numbers but forty fifty percent of revenues or nonsense December which is one of the most active active months of the year where lost now making up for the news for those who them. It's also museums are galleries. This is going to be extremely Difficult again the hope is that this is going to end soon and for the particular place where it's impacted airs but it isn't just post-paris that the impact of these strikes are being. Felt Hotel and restaurant bookings across the country have also suffered how can the country then reassure tourists that it still a good time time to visit France. A lot of transport in the provinces for example Loire Valley Castles is being done by buses by tour operators. Those are not on strike right. So the issue is that the bookings are down because therese are spooked by the coverage of the strikes obviously a a lot of journalists living Peres but for the countryside even in the suburbs of Paris. This is not that much. Fill all right. Thomas mcculskey associate professor of economics at the International National Business School. HEC Paris thank you thank you. Let's do the numbers. Despite the protests. France's main stock index is rising alongside its European counterparts. Global stocks are back near record highs as investors. Breathe a sigh of relief the US and Iran have backed away for now on more military action. Forget brexit have you heard of MM exit. Don't roll your eyes. That's the word newspapers from London to New York. This morning are using to describe a bombshell announcement from Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. There is a business angle. Go to this in an instagram post. Last night the couple said they're stepping back as senior members of the Royal Family and working toward financial independence to find out. What exactly that means? We called the. BBC's correspondent Jonny diamond. Who explains how senior royals get their money? In the first place the money comes from different sources. The taxpayer element element is called the sovereign grunt. It's money that is paid to the Queen. And it's a proportion of the revenue of of the land that she has effectively said you take the money from that. I'll keep proportion. You'll send me a proportion so some of it is sovereign grant which is taxpayer money. Money some of it is from her own private holdings which generate huge revenue. And then you get other bits and bobs and other sources but essentially it's either their private money from the family or it is taxpayers adventure now inherited Megan's case. They say I haven't had a chance to check you but I'm sure they're right about five. Percents of their revenue is tax. Payer money and the rest will come from there in private money. Harry has a significant inheritance from his mum princess. Diana Hannah and mega of course has money that she made is a pretty well paid actor in the TV show suits and combined. I've seen reports at. That's about thirty five million. I mean make up a number of you want I mean. I didn't know anyone who seem prince. Harry's Bank statements recently or any of his accountant's against telling stories. I think it's a significant into mount of money. Diana left in a state of I think eighteen million pounds at eight now. If that was taxed. Do not go off of that. I saw that she made substantial awesome millions in bank now the to say they want to be financially independent but realistically how financially independent can they be. I mean we just don't know we don't know when they say that they also say they want to earn money. They WanNa have professional employment now. They are the probably the hottest property on the planet right now now so the sky would really be the limit that there will remain the question of how that runs up against what they think they're still going to do for the royal family. It was so early at the moment we have no idea. They haven't agreed this with anyone at the palace they just said. This is what we're doing in the palaces. Like hang on really clearly many more questions than answers at this moment johnny diamond. Royal correspondent for the BBC. Thank you thank you pleasure. Well there are so many things to impact with this story if you want to hear more of my conversation with Johnny will have an interview up on Marketplace Dot Org in the meantime share your thoughts or questions on all things royal finance with us where the HASHTAG BBC marketplace on twitter in in London. I'm Victoria Craig with the marketplace morning report from the B._B._C. World Service.
Hanging with Museum of Art and Photography's Kamini Sawhney
"I hang out to yourself outside your. Hey what's up. Welcome to craft hang out. I will kapetan. I'm jesse cats. Greenberg and i'm lee stature. And let's hang up get crafty. We're opening up a fortune cookie. Everybody oh that's fun. Yeah boss gave it to me right and everybody probably thinks i am the boss but i have a day job and my boss gave me. Okay so does. Everybody want to hear what the fortune says. Yes be patient. The great wall didn't get built in one day. Nice that's a. That's a good way to start this episode. So aicraft reno's welcome back to craft hang out. We had such a nice break. And we're so excited that you're back with us here. First season four. We have so much good stuff in store for you starting with this episode. We know how much you've enjoyed hearing insight from leaders at the major museums in the us during season three but how about an international museum. Yup that's right today. We have someone from a major museum all the way from india. We have the director of the museum of art and photography aka map. So please everyone. Let's give a warm craft hang out. Welcome to comedy sony. What a thank you to be here. Thank you for having me excellent. We're gonna die right into questions. So can you tell us a little bit about the museum of art photography and its location okay. So map is a new museum. That's coming up in the hot of bangolo in south india. For those of you who don't know so much about india well it's located really in the heart of the business district but it's next to a beautiful park. It's close to two metro stations. So it's on one of the main streets of the city and our trustees when you bought the land it was one of the most expensive pieces of land but they felt that it was all about location location location. And i'm so it's to take back the heart of the community and help people reconnect with because human people to understand that ought is not just about objects the hang on the balls of museum or gallery. Autralian is about the beautiful paintings that women in villages create on the wall. Back whom art is about. Rollie are the exquisite patterns that are drawn rice flow on the treasury of our whole art can be about the deep of a sorry of vive of it. So map is not just about all of. It's about ideas and conversations beat hope to create a museum Idea here some using these funny dusty places. No one wants to go to. I mean you someone you want to go door role or do you want to go to restaurant or a movie at museum. I don't see anyone breaking down the booster engine museum so we really wanted to change that. Be one back to get cultural. How would come in really enjoy being the space where the lawns. Nothing and provide them iranian new wave experiencing amazing amazing. So we understand that. The museum will have a lot of indian art textiles photography and art spanning from the twelfth century to the present. That sounds incredible. Can you tell us a little bit about that. Coakley comes on the collection of the founder of a shape. Put that and so. It's interesting because the connection doesn't follow a certain structure off that usually museum collections. To your must have this that as things we have to have no a collector policies interest wandering often so many different directions. It can be very chaotic for amusing professional. But it's unexpected at an amount of fun so we have these on six categories objects in the museum at least categories growing really ranges from premodern modern and contemporary textile crafts and design folk and tribal popular culture and photography collection. Job of spent. What we want really do is this whole collection reflects range of art from different cultures communities because if anyone wonders into this museum then they're able not needed to connect on the some part of my life at mica hill and what we're also trying to do to the collection is to collapse. These hierarchies between what is perceived as high odd. What is seen as low art because often classic archer seen as as the main thing. Then you have focused tribal which is developed over centuries but is often dismissed and you see this in the pricing of arctic top collected there but we also look at the collection not in verticals. So you know that this is an inside like this is guessing lot. So this is an exhibition on focus brian. This is expect exhibition on modern jumping. You'll be to look are cleared. Prosecution android connections between various objects for example how popular culture directions miniature paintings. And i think perhaps one of the few museums that has popula culture collection was museum. Don't so has things that are drawn from films. Abundant what is so famous in india. So we have this wonderful collection of hostess cribs lobby cards so we really also looking to see how to reflect what people with the everyday man isn't just in believes Incredible sounds like something that might be like the most popular exhibit two right right all these intersection ethic. We'd obviously love to hear more about indian crafts. So what are some of your favorite traditional and contemporary crafts when feeding the relationship in people in crops in india's sanctuaries all. It's it's a whole way of life. You asked me traditional crowds. when everyday lives. They made them. They used them out of the cultural identity of people. Forgot represents in some ways the values of a community and if you look at trapped then not purely decorated most often. They're also meant to be used and using how they are reflective of the country life of community for example if you look at what leaping teams Created by the jobless for maharashtra. in india. They used geometry shapes the circle defying the line to create these lovely stick figures it uses actually rice powder which is with the binding agent. And it's just these beautiful white joins that are on the on the backgrounds of the homes. It's quite beautiful to see. The designs joins reflect the second patterns of their lives above debt seasons and see how they have a babysitter pat on the physical structure of the drawing many often the tobacco a it's an instrument Kind of instrument but he plays and people down so you can see this lefty circular pattern on this very beautiful metal crab which try love which is bitterly book. It's it's a medal afterwards. Suitable inland moved Beautiful process and you haven't neutrino boxes and watson's my favorite courses hookah base so beautiful hookah. Which mid on this between Several stages into the process audience cropped his dying daily so get government avarice ngos trying to divide the bulk here and see that some of the master craftsmen is. We don't do this on craft a the don't visit west. Mingle you have. These collection of scrolls got us where the troubling buds used to perform stories that they came to on these roads so episode to various Up on voting registers and bahamas wrote out these passages as the story progresses. that's awesome. you can tell you're passionate about and you know where they're from and the story behind them and i am here for fascinating. We we understand that you had a like a virtual opening on december pfaff. What was that like you know when the pandemic role also focused on the physical news bureau setting up the museum. What will the stages getting. Ready for the exhibitions. And so we were quite Actually been the fanny. I think we managed that very quickly because Debbie had all these meetings because everything online all programming which everyone did as well. These brainstorming sessions with upload of directors are advisors themselves. More of you so fixated on the physical museum. The conversation has shifted online. That's where people. Why don't you think digital museum and maybe be major that it took us a month or two and then it it was. We had about four months to launch the digital museum. So you can imagine how chaotic it was. We took the theme of whole mission of taking back into the hot community. Be be thought. Let's use this this whole launch to the mind people but how is so much about how we live our lives at his life so the team about opening theme the whole exhibition was around is life. Life is art and Are opening event was a kind of all sensory experience at it was a kind of a i might stone and our journey to the physical launch because we took people on a bushwood to a walk museum would look like because amusing still being billed and gum. You had voices as they wanted to the various areas of the museum. You had some really iconic voices talking to them around the team of time. So that was opening Actually why What is censorship is a completely different way of the longest voices talking to as you. You didn't see anyone but in your salt instead the opposite spaces so the focus remained on the spaces and forming that he had autism festival so we had six devoted to the sections of the collection. Hand the programming was related around the interconnectedness between the various odds. And how each has enriched. The other was in india You you don't sing or you don't just dance. You don't just play an instrument yushi to all of them together because that's so much of the moment exactly as a butler in that. I was talking about the paint. They sing. They dance the enact the whole story so menu performing in a winner artisanal. You have multiple skills and that has been divided into silos octa colonialism. And you wanted to bring that connectedness back. The way we structure the evening hours. We had Unimportant wasn't in in the field. I introduce the section and then we had the map team been you the highlights of the collection and then we took an outward from the collection asked an autism woman different discipline to respond to that election so for example for popular culture. We chose these six bollywood posters around the team of migration because migration can become such an issue during the pandemic and so many migrants really struggled. Get a comment to survive during that time and so we asked this group of dramas at this recorded data rocks they have little drumming orchestra and so they use linked material to create instruments anti bottles hands drums or that Punishing music and so we got them to respond and creative or rap drumming piece to the to the six posters money so that was the case. That's so cool. And you're scheduled to open this year and twenty twenty one. I read online. Is that true no we. We will be opening at the end of the year. Because can't that flexible because for one thing the whole the the building itself was set back in construction than the billion slowly. Coming up on me lost about six weeks but an actual time six weeks is justice because effect holds high chain and the labor maximum. Shed you at not unappealing should be ready by about april may but we are looking at the situation to just see how the pandemic lays out. Because we don't want to open a diamond people love feel full of coming into the space and we want to see that. Visit us aussie. You're such a diner. Oh my gosh right like you're like a true director director. Herbert museum sounds like a super cool job. What is your job entail. And how did you get that job. Because i want. I don't know how cool the job you ramping. Up with amazing us. Yeah my days and nights up full. And i'm enjoying that post. I'm missing amusement. Why are you so busy. Just it absorbs all of your time but if you're I suppose you just enjoy it. But i haven't an unusual couldn't walk actually unto television journalists tying were twenty years. I was a television journalist. Hund- was posted overseas now. I was wondering we had a beaver. Leave you just report from amazon. You bought second going to indonesia and thailand and they said you just report from there but has even imagine these are not news. Hotspots analysts of postseason tsunami. So i go to live in a sense because news is in twenty four seven and i'd always been interested in the arts absorbed in the arts and so identify was going around exploring the upset. When i came back to india. Judaism changed in ways. I found a really didn't belong. So i said why don't i make a bashing a career and so i started studying again and i studied a music. I realize it's not just enough to have a passion for something you needed some learning as well and so my doctor wu museology and not conservation. Then i studied indian aesthetics oxygen and theory and then finally the principles which is actually now renamed. The judge G maharaj was so. That's the mouth fluids generally. So that's why i worked for the next each danielle. Actually i worked with the nicholson foundation. Which was it was entrusted top of this jewel collection of modern indian art and that was located within the museum so kind of it was a wonderful collaboration between public and private and we were in the museum space. We have these wonderful audiences that came in to see because if you look beauty of modern and contemporary art the second kind of audience that comes getting all sorts of people from villages from areas stunning fascinated at a contemporary autism bed. So it was wonderful to expose them to it and then i kind of got absorbed into a lot of the museums activities. That i i in that project manager. One of the iconic exhibitions updated which was a collaboration with between the british museum. Man and the principal indian the world. And so i welcome back as well and so we did a lot collaborations. Afghani of elaborated tweet. Elaborate the duke university so we have quite a few just small places that you collaborated with some tiny dots on the map. Yeah as i said. We did wonderful exhibition with the duke university. As i said we collaborated with the dayton. Hot hodgkin so we brought that exhibition. We've completed all over india as well and when needed India and the world. Getting about that collaboration spell the support of the whole county is such a cool night three institute. Such you know all of our listeners. All over wherever you're listening just write down the names of all these places because when miss world opens back on ago aren't just new york that has great museums like la india. London you know they're all over the place and all have like you're saying fantastic collection. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. Craft hang out tip jar. Welcome to a brand new segment called the craft. Hang out tip jar. We want to fill the jar with the best craft tips and hacks for you since we all have them and hello. Sharing is loving. I'm gonna kick things off with one of my own. Did you know you can speed up the dry time of acrylic paint with a regular hairdryer. It's true i started doing this in college with acrylic paintings. And i still do it today. This totally works and saves a bunch of time between steps. Especially if you need your canvas to dry in order to get to the next phase of your piece. this isn't a tip for oil paints. It's just for acrylic paints and that's just one more tip for the craft. Hang out tip jar back to the shell and so speaking about these exhibitions in the collections. What is the process for selecting the work that you're going to showcase at the museum so we are a new museum. And we'd really like to showcase a lot of our work. As i said when we approached the exhibition at only how do we look at one kind about really looking across the range example duke out with one of our goddesses how she presented in classical art. What how did she in. In in in folk forms hubbub modern contemporary draw. These inspirations to create so we're really looking at at those kinds of things but when we create our expert'll don't want to the typical kind of approach that be seen so hundred trying to think out of the box. We are trying to see that. Look at people differently. Be also trying to that. Wendy looked folk. Try bill is also trying to look at a different approach. This perhaps indigenous opposite to look at more is representing different kinds of between example. We have this additional hoodie by done on notch and entries be artist. So i'm looking at the kind of work that she had she does. Her voice comes into the curation of the of the exhibition Glenda she thought about her work and her she thought it should be presented on the equity strand. See that we'd bring back voice in. Because i think people are tired of the voice the cure jordan voice. That knows it all so trying to bring in different perspectives trying to involve the community. Make it family interacted. We multiple commissioned a study by a group already to see. What do people want fan museum. What are you expecting. What would you like to see him. and not. just this is what we think you should see. So we're trying to do what we what we have with what people expected and would like to see an presenting away way that may be attractive for them it also when we bring Office failed to see the produced. Excellent body of book. Obama substantial Time or be musanhu organization so we looking engaging with new practices and ideas keeping an eye out. The artists are doing trusting things. But i do want to talk about collaboration that doing which is called museums without boorda's at this item During the pandemic when you know people objects not travel it's Wondering what to do and nuisance okay. Be made objects traveling actually so on music without bodice project of this form where and juxtaposes object from on the map collection with an audit from montana. Museum admin ring to objects together indictable. You get the most interesting compositions and this could be based on commonalities. The joke or to autism through mediums and these positions articulated by the religious. So for example. I began will see these collaboration with the british museum where we took a book from a modern contemporary book from by one of our Modernists tight meta be contrasted that with a beautiful or work from the british museum. Nancy took who is is one of the miniature is soon. You hugs modern and contemporary Some that entry miniature and what brought them together was using because here was this loan solitary as painting contrasted with a world view all chorus of trump ears. So it was such an interesting contrast to look at the end of the head used cutter the be. They had used music to create a certain mood and a. We've collaborated with a whole lot of museums. All about response from people all over the world so we are doing. some angry. Launched this acting at our digital museum and we lost the digital music so be dead hold series of six from each of the categories of the of the museum collection every day. So we collaborated with the using to finance austin operated with I mean that's fascinating. And i have to say li- like falling in love with the way that you're looking at art and craft an audience so i love the fact that i've never really heard about museums doing real user research. I'm sure they do but it seems like you are really thinking about it. It's like what would you like. And then we're going to delight you with with what you would like you know in new ways and then also casting aside the hierarchy of what is real art and what is respectable and what is less meaningful and just giving everybody the same Wait i love it. it's so cool. He agreed i do matter. He had people think at smart. I mean what's the point of that. So what is your favorite. I'm sorry i have to do this to have to do this. You what is your favorite piece in the museum. You need asking my favorite. It can change tomorrow. Yes tomorrow but if you had to pick one today glue gun to your head you have to pick one for lack. Mutual depends on my mood. I enjoy in record time. I'm entering the steps of the office. I see this room caught up pot. Which has it's completely bereft of battling but it has most exquisite shape in line all that. Is this gorgeous nundy at at. I just enter the door. This guy in white with red horns and Quite majestic also photo by modern contemporary artists judicial up behind my desk. So you're you're taking us on a trip to your office every footstep there's another piece that becomes your favorite right right surrounded by our own moment so we understand that inclusivity is very important to map as well. So what are some ways. That map has embraced empathy and caring. I'm still hoping this because conclusion. I'm accessibility already. Has of map revealing what to be intrusive museum people of different backgrounds cultures religions communities all common and somehow they control their daylights reflected myspace. And that's how they will connect accessibility is also really important for us. Missile grateful that we had over the emphasis a company forward and was this huge grant. Which helped us to plan her ability because we want to be accessible. Not just physically. Odd zippo but also the mentally disabled and beating very fortunate that people building a new museum so many many great museums as with these gorgeous buildings. We have this huge heads upstairs and they are really difficult to work around in many ways have several flaws all these flights of stairs going up at the beginning architects sat down with deok. Which is the diversity opportunity center. What consultants if you try to see how we make the whole leading accessible and also looked at various other features sides of apps for example lipped holiday easy to use people just also what about the sofas says abusing the need to be a matte finish or the kind of lights we are using because they should stop people with a supplementary. Conditional your the cry if someone's disturbed by the excitement and the moi's it on where they can sit down catch stat breath again Just get back into the fun of the museum on websites looking at what kind of phones use whatever color contrast or does the architects which describes which will be visually disabled super trying to see that be catering to all kinds of entered. Mac welcomes everybody an interesting project. That we have here is a beautiful mutants. That map commissioned from the amani project. So this is a collective really on that just beautiful in public spaces. But the article collecting falcons genders and Spaces for them through the art but they can connect to the community so commission this huge mural sixty by forty were. On the periphery of the other shuttering. Which is. On the periphery of the building. So it's immediately. Everyone knows that this when they passing by and be awesome to create an immunity that celebrated the city of bangolo at people who make it has migrants on one side. This is the tech capital the of the country. It also was the garden cities so it has all these laws. It has Through the beautiful applauding plans. It has the even the policemen with this iconic stetson. Ya as the disabled community that someone each other children madonna's all sorts of things in this mirror so the idea was to create beautiful art with the art project and also fulfill our mission of being into that's incredible like how fortunate that for literally from the ground up you're able to take into consideration like the physical accessibility but also just the artists. Your commissioning and what you are choosing to portray on the outside of your museum. You really can tell that the organization has a vision for you know. Inclusively is part of the organization. It's very clear. I love it and i can already tell. It's probably going to be a place that many people are gonna say as their favorite place because having a place where you feel safe in calm and like your designers in the people. Collaborating are taking that into consideration. It's going to be felt at team. 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Racing Postcast: Paul Nicholls' Masterclass | Weekend Review | Midweek Tipping
"Follow party power on Snapchat. The username is the Patty power, and we promised that wouldn't be any boring. Snaps about gigs. The weather all the gym. Welcome to this Monday pice muddy plow join in studio four studio by Stewart Rollie on Tom park. And we often is Minnesota's back on the post cast from Patty power, Walt a week and surname clan. Desire by say, many Cheltenham clues are down. So when the bet for her awareness. Do we start let's start with surname, then star of the show parkey you telling me for we went live, you think he would beat out to. Yes, I do. I caught a don't think of seeing jump in performance. That's blow me away like that. Anyway, since for two one is jail t. The way that you just run is fences gobbled them up and they were really good horses beyond him. If you take him out the rest, I think Paul Nicholls took it you put take him out the race where impaired. Everything's run at fall. And he's just up -solutely mullet them. If he was mine, I'd be I'd be looking at Cheltenham because I just as I said, I think that e reminds me of voter now, obviously improvements come really fast. So visit chance that people are going to go. Well, it's it's just Oscar. I'm not so sure I think he's just improving on no end. And I think if he turns up in kind of form King George on box did, and it's it's a formality really without y'all with Alto. Okay, stu. I love surname, loved the performance enjoying it for what it is. But Graham, roadway thinks there was something smelly about his last performance. And this one girl this question about why would I just don't know? How many it was beaten in a handicap at the track? Does he need to lead? Does he need Ascott? What do you make Bill? I sat here and crapton. He won the handicap of a Mark of one hundred and fifty don't think there's any crabbing what you did on Saturday. I was asked her I covered the race for the paper and spouts connections afterwards. Harry Kobdo an interesting the NF gave a glimmer of hope for Cheltenham fans suggesting he wouldn't be adverse to give him another go left handed. However, the horse's owner was fairly adamant Cheltenham won't come into considerations. He's pretty strong on the fact that he needs to go right handed right handed. That's the key to him rather than ask or any given ground conditions. An you know, you look through your look through his form holds up. I mean, the owner himself pointed out the he was he was seventh in a handicap hurdle beaten us site at the beginning of last season. And that was a run before he went novice chasing. So as a first up over hurdles, I mean, he was absolutely thumped round Chepstow and oversee left handed right hand. It does seem to be the key to him. I was very impressed by what he did on Saturday. I think the winning margin probably. Did flat Ceram in the sense that if you go a. If you go a better jump of waiting patiently at the second last. I think that the stuffing out of ME was coming with a challenge. And I don't think he would have been on terms Ruth Jefferson afterwards. She didn't think so either. But I think you'd have been a lot closer than seventeen lengths. So I think you're looking. It was a proper performance be all the right horses. I think he is a very very talented horse. And it was it was very impressive to watch. Okay business. Now. Plenty markets for him in future. The Ryan is unlikely to go there. But we might as well mention it anyway. And then Parke's mentioned next year's king. George some prices on those. Yes, sir. The can marry the Royal Air yet. No answered I like to think he's right. Andy toes, the Ron, and we still got men in a five two favorite and Monday at nine two. It was good at the weekend as well. But foot and seven bar, but for the King, George that someone we really did Qasim for media after the race. We went all from six eight we've had a little bit the Rafiq. Now, we pushed them out to eleven to base still vying for favorites as with clan desire, but we're gonna come onto it a minute who's five to one out here at six to one. So we could be in for Christmas crackerjack cut, and that was a lovely segue into clan. Desire by both this challenge. Go Cup credentials, really nicely. Paul kim. I mean, he couldn't have been anything other than impressed. I'm not sure if the host the hind necessarily superstars, but what more could even know, look, I think terrified run pretty much to his his level. Really? And he's not he's not about also. After the King, George, I was kind of the opinion that it was possibly a fluke. The where that Zobel won't because he he looked like when it so easily for up Charlie watching him on Saturday. I think just the way that Iran's. Well, I think he could he's gonna turn into is is already big Goco Paul people questioned whether the stomach is going to be an issue. I'm not quite sure is the seems to raise behind the bra. He travels really well, but it doesn't travel too. Well, so he's not giving anything away, and he just seems to pick the bridal Bucko. Whenever needs to really look the hosts it may be the foam boosted was this'll crop. Because actually after the king annoy your book, I think I've never been on this occur in the funk lo really, but look I thought he running really he had them all in the King, George, and I think if Tom scooting hardest chance again, maybe knowing what we know about undesirable wherever of trout hold onto a little bit longer. The trip. I don't think is a problem with this crock ivory in the Gold Cup book. It would be Jumpin could possibly find him out. So you go cook the client base, just what do you think? I I think the goal cook. Now, this King George looks like it's been very good race. And we've got a horse who is head in the market, very sharp price who is not run over fences this season and as much as I love present in Percy. And I think he is is really good horse. Just come have him nine to the Gold Cup. When he's not run over vents is where we ruins the weekend. I'm not sure, but even still he's not going to have had any. He's not going win anything like to what undesirables don't and the refu- in. This is go Cup this year. I think native river if the ground soft will be will be Bunger if it's not soft in might just think this class horses in the one house that I wouldn't rule out besides clan. Zobel this'll crock as is bells health because I think the Willie Mullan jarred. I get the impression that they think. I get the impression they think this is very good in the could be that. We've just not seen the best of bells hill yet. Put through his show numerous before I think he was banged there in the RSA was being by freak on the and his first run at Cheltenham is I run over hurdles that gentleman. He was in the supreme which was far too short trip for him. And I think once ruby Walsh nails, his his close to will ever. I think he'll pick bells hill, and he probably be a single figure price. Then. Okay. Streep about to Columba's abor. Let's focus on that performance itself. What was what was that misfire like asking him? Also, the nuggets did you get from the four always always very impressed by clans. Obey the thing that really impressed me was jumping because he doesn't see into. He's very economically didn't take very much of himself. It was almost like he ghosted through the fence. Just didn't look like he picked his legs up until he just got from one side to the other took lent south of his rivals. And just didn't look like it was taking anything out of major so pops from one side to the other. It wasn't the effort that you normally see for who has champion that really impressed me. He looks to have a serious engine on him. One worry that I would have with him. And I'm not sure that this necessarily applies to him as a horse, but there's been an awful lot of horses. Come down the hill looking like, go cut winner round that Ben looking like a Gold Cup winner and not get up the hill, and he has that very strong, traveling style. So I can remember speaking to hurry Kaban after the King, George, and he said, then I didn't want to get that too soon. Who's trying to hold on swim all the way up the straight? And that when it comes to. Cheltenham just raises a little bit of a question. Mark for me because it's not she does it the front, and he's gonna idle and some extra estimates. Yeah. So I think this one factor that he has overwhelmingly in his favor given how strongly he travels is. If there is another horse in the race that can tow him away from the others won't be as much of an issue because if like in the King, George they can separate themselves if like enlarged go couples of might buy a native river got themselves clear of the others that if he's only got one horse to see off over the last then I think he'll do it because he'll he'll IDO, but he'll hold that. Also eve they're coming to the last and there's five or six in the fact that he already those could make it a very very nervous running. Yeah. I totally agree with you. I do as well about the staying. I mean, lots of people saying have doubts about him at Cheltenham, I mean, he couldn't be guitar Pete. Is there on that one hundred help and he was it was still a good run? But would you be hoping he'd already been there and donate? It is I go Cup at the time and went on want to go you have to these Nichols horses. At the moment, you we've just been saying surname. You can't compare what he's doing previously. You've got you've got compares last two performances in with dissolve Zobel. He's just ease improved. No end from when he was running at Cheltenham last time. I've always thought well when he was in a juvenile hurdler. They were talking him up as one of the next big things, and then is taken them a little while to maybe grow into himself and mature, but the vibes around him have always been they thought he was very good. I slightly disagree with Stu with regards to I think he travels well, east east not I'm not looking at in thinking he's going to hard though is troubling to hopefully, which you can open say about well after the way he went away. Yeah. He really put this in tariff. Or after the last, you know, they did the same in the King George well away kind of looked in trouble turn in traveled really nicely through the rest, and you could pick him out from a mile or watching the rest bark. This'll crowd went clear and all of a sudden this'll Kroc was still like Honda bridal and Conde's oval struggling a little bit beyond. But then he just pits. The the bit back up. It could be that. He's just improved. He also behind 'em before we get to. Sucked into this is what prices climbed zero now for the Gold Cup. I'm sure plenty be plowed into him. Now. Yet. I have seen that she marry a mmediately after the rice. We went six for my the go Cup is now full to one as being third the money people, obviously listening Nichols in the Harry cuptain. But on my what my one concern personally would be eight. He was good on Saturday, but he did have eleven pounds in hand over tariffs on official writings and eight arguably he did what he was supposed to do by China. It's true. When you get people are owed Barbas, I this is a very good hosting. You have to take up and take notice. And and that's what punches of done doing with mentioned pool Nichols as always managed this also defeats delivering him to pay in as if he's humbled with care to get him to this point. So it will be great Sam on kgo Cup dyke. Quick anything to add for me review, the point you've just made as a as a good one. I think very few horses are born to win a Gold Cup. Go Cup winners generally made in this horse. Does have the fail of a whole. If it's been brought to the boil the other thing, I would like to just make the point of is Harry Cobb, Dan's never ridden in a Gold Cup before he's a young jockey. And that could be used in the build up as a question marks per over cleanses over. I'm not having fun. He is sensational. I haven't seen anyone who reminds me of ruby as much as this kid. He is such a good writer and to me, he's a massive positive. Yes. He's never ridden in the Gold Cup before. But I don't think that is something that you can you can use against the horse. Now. I'll tell you agree. I think he's so cool. Let's well, I mean you look even the post race interviews. He's just written surname so chilled out what you did in the king. George was so impressive for a young riders to come there and got now I'm going to take a poll going to the last in the King, George that was a very calm decision. I was very impressed with that in the I think he's a massive. Bonus to this office chance because he he believes in the horse. I much any knows and very very quickly. So the good jockeys come into while which I'm sure we'll mention later just very cookie it put to bed all these. Or he's rubbish at Cheltenham and stove. If that race tariff vehicle undesirable happened in November, the bet in was two to five undesirable to one tariff or three one zero four it probably would have been the other way around on their first run the season, given the tariff it was favorite for the Hennessy and wanna grade or not. Not. Entry last year. He was like the talking halls coming free from the Novus ranks last year clan is over kind of east kind of emerged as Gocha pas, it just shows how much she's actually improved ROY out dances on export of cool. We're gonna join routed through these so quickly because there's so much to mention is you'll see pre-menopausal. Yes. Bugged about faquir. However you pronounce it about Tim. Yes. Twelve to one couple of weeks ago. And I go the seven walnut after Saturday because. He just got the Cheltenham form now in the bug. And he's is by far the best Novus performance. I think we've seen nothing angels breath as good as he looked. He has only jump into few hurdles. Fakia? He's obviously gonna get a lot of weight, and he was very impressive at Cheltenham and. I don't have an amazing record innoc- prima. They no. Yeah. Benach? Yeah. Royce g. No, he was he was. But I think the all done set look traveled really nicely. And what impressed me was the way the last hurdle in just quick and away from any danger? I think that I think that the winner will probably be one of them too. But don't discount that other Nichols winner wing count and ground and seeing on sunset cause that to be given soaraway it. Admittedly, probably got bigger fish to fry Shelton. So roll over fences, but he'd have been fit enough for that. And that was a good performance in it could just be the the one that slips under the radar really what a crazy weekend for poor Nichols. And Stu going back to ask in our dumpster Etang his way through the whole race that I think he dropped his head at any point. And I'm not sure if there's any truth in this saying that really twisting Davis has said he's the best horse. They've ever had in the old. But did you hear any didn't have? Didn't have true, then he some horses an had a few good. Well, yeah. Imperial commander is a long list of good horses that they've had at the twist Davis operation. I was very impressed with him. I thought it was very good. I quite often get sucked into bat. Fair hurdle. Nova says going into the supreme I like that. So of hardened handicap for my night, the fact that they've actually proven level of ability, and you know, I'm fairly confident I'll get sucked into this feller as well. It was a very impressive win those horses. Do tend to you know, the I mean, they may know of the greatest record of getting over the line Kalashnikov got be I think get me out of here was similar, you know, they run run very big races. And I think he's a, you know, it'd be very difficult to see him out the places in the supreme as parking mention the wing cancer effort of grandson. I thought was very impressive to win in open company against older horses is. Most seasons horses is some really strong form. I thought that was a good run as well. And of the two of them at the prices, they currently are my even be more tempted to lean towards see I thought that was that was very good. I think put it this way. You wouldn't look down the supreme betting and think there were too many in the that you'd pick out is being able to be horses. Good as so Royal? So so, yeah, I was very impressed with both of them this weekend. It was good stuff children as well. As big bonus for a host is kind of a lot of boxes now by he's one in like as Stu said, heart handicap, like that way economy have a bit of toughness about you that you're going to get in the supreme put to do a Cheltenham as well. The the Disney is any process on our down to for the premium. Thanks allowed for mentioning grandsons as so we've got that covered as well. Smutty well, l don't so when four to one on joint favorite with Sakya do dare dairy immediately after Saturday's contest service support Brown dog. So he carried away on Saturday was as you guys. Go ready said a marvelous performance, he's now seventy two cliff favorite grand, cruel safer, own echoes, lovely, say Dan's sorry. Harry skeleton teaming up with his old job. Oh bus another impressive performance. But you can have fourteen to one about that one. So perhaps Stewart's right perhaps I is the value in the supermarket. Okay. So some of the doors got Melissa want us to go through a counter. Stan shades had been not Robbins, first listener gone Oscar magic, Saint lots of asking misdemeanor Archies. Well, he he was quite nice. But I didn't wanna throw. But if left field one out there, if we could about to Robins, I who sure better than what have right? That was. And then we will say considered at tiger. Oh, one yesterday Grand National picture, folks. Have we got? Got a fancy this stage a mobbing to nasty as you have been all over vintage. So it was not very nice to see an old favor of montage role winning arrests as easily as he did when he was probably only half fit seventy five seventy five percent of it. Yes. Elliott. I thought it was I didn't think tiger oak was thought he was too small win the national last year he took to the call. So well, I thought he heard a bit to use a bit too high in the ratings this year. Now, I'm gonna get eleven stone. One pound. I think it is. Exactly. I mean now, I'm thinking, I don't know what Bates and re entry. I parked vintage clouds I've had a little bit on tiger role stable written noble endeavour. I think that he's got about close if he was to bounce back, and he's not he didn't run to bodily Las time and the other one that I like is give me a copper who I think's entered on day. But I'm used to be keen on. Yeah. I'm very keen on him for the Altima means being really well. But now. Yeah, I'm very keen on his Altima chances. And if he was to win impressively all run well in he's only run I think three or four times over fences in I think he's fallen seat and in two of them. He looked like he jumped like a stag sundown on money with a big reputation sees a big reputation, and you've just got nickel seems to give the impression that this. Thing's got boondoggles enhance so he would around thirty three four. And I think I think he's not without a chance case you did on a your Askar. Did you catch any? Hey, doctor. You have any thoughts on national my being very harsh on you assure a bit of how you talk when cancer Nick cetera down in the parade ring after racist winning connections pool Nichols. Who's having to break off every two minutes from all the winners. He was having to ask to an amazing job of all is media obligations. But haven't half an eye on the big screen and just having winner off the winner. So yes, I did get. It to to see them stood in the vicinity of a very animated Paul who who was cheering the mole home locker like a man possessed. A wouldn't have a bet view at this stage on the Grand National. I think it's one to to play close to the time. You get very these price nearer the time. So I'm not inclined to get involved now and have one not turn up the whole. I was most impressed with away from asker was another pool Nikos horse in Keldysh down. I thought that was a crash Ron he's looking he's so horse the I mean, if there's something that's going to be in the triumph hurdle. They'll have they'll have a tough time doing it. I'm not saying that he can't be beaten. He strikes. You is the saw horse may find may find something to good. But you've got a love his. Yeah. He's very tonight issues are like him as a horse. He battles. He gallops, and he'll he'll take some beating in the triumph phone Joseph Scott, half half failed. So, you know, I'm sure you'll find a way to get it done. But yeah, I think I think you'll run a big race. I was very impressed by him recusal solve the one that everyone sort of plump four, but Calderstones sort of encouraged with the way flew away. From is the horse is usually done in close finishes book. He really put some distance in between them Pinhas really quickly a price on Calderstones, the triumph. Now, I saw one nail. Mattie was fourteen before Saturday's says, Sarah, many people's idea the Bank of challenge the Irish banker ivory, given a great make sure they're yesterday's racing post by prime COPA fabulous. We have to move on foot before do I'll give you another horse or another couple of seconds stroke about everyone from the weekend popularity. I anything down on your nights. I'm gonna very quickly bring up the FOX interests, which might reservoir browse. But there was a few performances at the weekend role to Rome is very impressive head Oppy cello Conti when again Navin, and I can't remember FOX in the market they stage where you've had you've got so many Syria winners going into the race. The favorite is the McManus hall's stand up and fight who was second in a grid to hurdle. Not that long ago. He's only out a couple of starts for east just keeps winning with Derrick O'Connor on board is about nine to two favorite went in most years Bolger trained horse. That's got back kind of profile. He's only seven year old eat probably be about six to four. But it just shows the strength in depth. This is go Barry O'Neill born again on your cello Conti. So just go on free like the really top class amateur jockeys interest in the Jamie called has been riding crews linen all season, which you would imagine. It would be his whole Cheltenham, but he is owned by the Rooney's. So whether they get a whether he gets a chance to to to ruin in that Rhys, I wouldn't be so sure we'll take a change of heart. I think from the Rooney's to to get him the really interesting dot, and it will be really interesting folks into issue as well, Stu anything else from asker dimensioned, Mr. malarkey Elliott, if you wanna talk about him more on the other performances, Milwaukee wipe me might be winning the festival. I wasn't that impressed by the rentals down as a race, the horse odd. Maybe give just a quick mention to thought he traveled traveled with much the old class for we all know house was FOX northern. He. Oh. He's he's a very talented host. I can he's mixed trips and mix it with some of the best around and he traveled very strongly into the race. He came the going to the second last and then emptied now it was mooted beforehand by the Tizard count that they some way expected that to happen. So the fact the, you know, he traveled as well as he did to our an nothing was able to live with surname from there yet. He would be a horse a wooden. He didn't lessen his chances in my eyes at the weekend. Even though he was being a fairly long way by the line by the winner. Yeah. He's won the oh. Cape in half an hour. At by impatiently other. He's beaten. Good awesome. Polit- log so said Texan name out the rest of the east probably run thinks is right. I think that was pretty much. He's pretty much knew about keeping them side for the right there that will do is for this. First segment. We'll be back to stuff this break to look at some of the weekend's action success ain't turned its board. That's why Poti power we pay the big bucks for the best techniques in the world to develop our new fastest ever app. Download the new app from the app store or placed on now eighteen plus become the widow to welcome out this Monday post cast, we've discussed the weekend's action. We'll get on talking about what's coming up this week. And now three main race we're going to look at all the the winter Darby and the eight eight eight sport handicap chase at Kempton I offer stick with the idea then sharp response spinners. He's been the one money in recent days, doesn't he he has indeed ninety. Yeah. It's the market six to one clear favorite now. Then we go. Back to the fact eight by wing and decline like ten thousand blue and always they mail the right, and it's twelve to one the rest. Excellent parkey Halley preach race, like the either could be a lot better ground of what we used to sing. Yes. So I'm going to side with a horse who's going to relish the ground and given the Paul Nicholls fall quite Canaan on Vicente's chances though, it the weather is going to be nice. Oh, wait. So the grounds regret for him, which he doesn't always get. And this might just be a little bit easier to win in the likes of scotchgard, national which obviously doing before but evens in these really big Soma handicaps, and he's going to get his ground. Maybe different time of year. And he looks quite well hundred cups. I think he's just a very talented horse. When he when he all drops, right? I think he's I just a car canines Transi big price rallies around sixteen one. It's a big price. And like you say, maybe he's not really got the credit deserves because he just. Sorta does does sort of very he needs a certain conditions to perform doesn't it? You know, Joel Scottish national whereabouts not done easily still only thoughts on the either. Yes. The two I like beware. The bear. Who I will up every time. We talk about one of these massive staying races. 'cause he's tailor made for them and the other one that caught my eye is owner at the mob. Laura of Dan, skeletons is right one hundred twenty seven now, I think he was right at ninety four when he joined the yard is just one of those horses on an upward curve. You never know where the ceiling lies with them and g can always look at it and go are well one hundred and twenty seven they must've they must have found his limit now. But he won his last two is one three of his last four. He's definitely going in the right direction. He's with a great trainer. And yeah, I can see he's definitely open to tomorrow improvement been impressed, by the way, he's done at won by five lengths each the last two times step up in trip would be in his favor as well. He's got no chance of getting in the race at Kempton. He's the bomb on there. So I think this is where they'll go with him. And and. Yeah, everything sort of look set for him. Thank you will run. A big race confident Bilas any thoughts for me on this race before I asked you for the winter Darby Besson. Well, I have been impressed with very much with the nation Williams hosts his they same in very good at Tyco trial, full, Iran. The no rights in the pace of Marsh Chysler time and good ground. Good to self. We'll be fine for him. He has won on heavy. But I think he's fine on anything a round the twelve to one day, man. It's early states before we say the I've tight and and obviously the final decks on I I'll Friday happy. Saliva telling failed then in trying to get that rice up Maddie. And we seem to have a slight problem with on the website moment. She'll likely to go favor. We're could we say Hicken looks like definitely like bigger shook price cyber ghost. And I think it was significant Frankin came home from foreign climate sauce time to ride in in in the Darby trial name failed the hosted it. Well, and as the last one I motor made. But I'm sure he's going to be very difficult debate. Interesting. I know bronze go hunting hone in Nabet we say can he was really impressive in Cambridge share. And tonight. I'm sorta surprised they've gone through maybe slightly better than this tonight. It's easy to pick up. Yeah. I mean, he looked very good. And this should be formality, really. The can't be of be many Royal Oscar winners the array at one hundred and fourteen to run in this race like hunting horns, not be short price favourite. So he's going to have if hunt in Hong turns up, he's going to have something good horse to beat. He's he's been running well off shows. But look the favorites the favorites going to take all the bait and not imagine like courthouse and big country in there as well. Stewed give it bit of a solid look. But we're say he can he's fit for four months. Isn't it is the only complication I can see for him is the draw simply because if they get a half decent field size that I bend comes very quickly mall to Lingfield. They literally are straight out the gate, and they're on the turn. So if you get drawn wide, it can be a bit of a headache that said, he looks a very classy horse, and I wouldn't I think the. They've probably gone down this route is it wouldn't surprise me. If John Gosden has international aspirations win this horse later later in the year, and you know, getting some getting some more weather experience in swim through the Windsors. And is by no means a bad idea. So so, yeah, I think he's he's definitely the most likely winner of the race. The drawer would be the only question Mark. I can come up with Burke. But vast side looks a very worthy. Favourite valid question market lots. So we'll be interesting how that all works out. Good. If we can go on to better things and not certainly on of interest for the future. We'll move onto feature at Kempton which is at three thirty five eight hundred four hundred capped tracer grade through as we mentioned previously known as the race in post. Chase Glen rock open. Is this your favorite the minute? Indeed, Mattie level of four clear favorite. Call dick show to the next one to two. I five hundred unique six talk is shaped nine collector. We wanna ask on Saturday. And then it's ten to one bar. So Charlie don't you have calypso an absolute page. Anyway, talk is cheap unliked him for the Altima. Listen to keep running keep running him. So that's interesting, but lots of Glen rock for me. I'm loath to say a fancy to assure price horse in a big handicap this far out relatively speaking. But I love him. I think he could be really really special. I'm excited to see him. Again, any tips parking. Well, yeah. I mean the foam from his his Kempton raise one hundred. It's just exception. Really? I think Glenn forces probably my idea possibly Arkle winner. I agree. Third from not race. And was the winner of the cards. Lots of frontier Carlos. Free. Fall was the Gary Moore, horsing del Oro, lots one sense. And so the form is is is tipped off. Yeah, he's going to be very tough to be like, you said talk is cheap. I mart in down as a possible ultimate ultimate halls. He's he brings closer to the wrist. If he's ruins beyond the bugah war and Lawson transaction era in the season. But he's he wasn't great last night with the host the beat him. But the blind little bit disappointing performance. Yeah. On the blind side. It was. Yeah. But look Israel at one hundred four five I think the Kobe bit more on his Mark it just my pumped into one in Glen rock coughing. Interesting. Geneka nurse Wall Street. He brings Cheltenham handicap four I'm very much into the equation absolutely lowest collector who could be out again under a penalty. I'd say it won't happen. But Poon echoes might have even considered it for the top, nor hate surname. Is there in anything and everything so a master's much prizemoney as he possibly can at the moment. And I think the issue that I have with racist. Like this these competitive handicaps at this time of the season. It's a real guessing game as to. Oversee we've got Cheltenham we've got Aintree coming up big targets there and China's once be winning races there if you're going to be winning they're winning. Here doesn't doesn't do a world of favors unless it's getting you into a race. If you're already not to run, then actually you're hurting your chances more than you're helping them. So I always look at this time of year and in these kind of races to the trainers are more minded to win races. Now, Gary Moore, sticks out pull Netco stakes out. Nigel twist and Davis. They're the sort of trainers this time of year that just banging winners. They wanna win races. Gary Moore's go baron alco in there, and he saw the first horse that my I was drawn to but Nigel Kristin Davis has to creep hill and flying angel. Unlike the two of them and at the moment, that's probably how I play this rose those two against the field. I think flying angel if a had to come down on one his last two runs have been progressively better than the run before he's dropping down the ways the. He's a he's a great one winner in his own, right? As a as a novice at the Aintree meeting. And yeah, he's he's got the class. He's only eight years old and he's dropped one four two which looks very tempting Mark, and yeah, I can see Nigel. Yeah. Exactly. He's he's seen. He seems to have turned the corner. But I mean he's been well beaten both times, but he's run better with each of his last three runs. The each one's been an improvement on the last. The full we get for break. I do just want to go out to eat what you were talking about particularly Glenn Forsa because he wanted Friday the king-maker at sundown now, I know we can say Kalashnikov now he doesn't like going that way round book. I'm suits in love with this sauce. Like is my idea of an article, but I know it's difficult to sort of some of the right, but he was signed pressing for the name pocket Rocas, and he's awesome. He just gets horses out of the comfort zone. So any if the symphony arrive Kalashnikov, if he's jumping wasn't brilliant. If he's going to about jumper. He will enroll them out the resin the Arkle is very open field to it. And he's just going to go and Ronin gallop in jump. And I think he's got. I think he's got a good chance in the Arkle. I'm not quite convinced that there's a top top class house. They've seen to Lewisburg Assad. Everyone's been beaten, everyone certainly couldn't have Kalashnikov every going left-handed right under day needs. Just no good as some people feel it will speed. I don't think for for two miles. But yeah, I think he's got a good chance at probably beside him with him at this stage at the current prices. They would I definitely really really like him Stu anything to add on Glenn fools. Remember when he wanted chip stay that was nearly three miles. So you don't know worried about worries about getting up that hill, your I mean, I'd always had him down as more more one for the jail, tea, and my mind than possibility didn't I saw you know, I mean with what he did. With what you did at Sandown. You can't can't knock him for for guy down the Arkle route. So he's not been a horse. That's been on my radar too much for the race until that performance. It was very good. You don't know quite what is being. Because obviously the one thing we can say categorically is clash knockoff is not run up to his very best in the race. So so there's hopefully a reason there it's not just the salad or you know, that that is what he's capable of. We know he's capable of better than that. So. Yeah, by all means, I wouldn't I wouldn't want anyone off him. But he's probably not top of my power for the for the Arkalyk down a little bit. Maybe we just got back excited burnt fingers for that close. Bravo brothers raise because truly blew his chance. Because I think he was around six or seven to one for that. So that, hey, the Oklahoma jail to your worth a lot more money obsolete the onus gay free, and Ben is we do after for a break, but really quickly. If it got plot price on Glenn force for the Auckland the jail T. We would move on it go for the child off the race lost weight Maddie is six to one from fourteen to one for the Arca. We went to one from twenty but money's forced him into six to one now. So if the money's right looks like they might more likely turn up in the also. But of course, Patty power non run baron races at Cheltenham, so you can back him for five forget your money back home one. Can you just give me two on into the sixth one missed the boat anyway online you have to pay quicker? Anyway, will not go into the break. Check out it's rewards club. Simply place five beds of ten pounds or more across any sport in a week. And you'll get a free ten pound better next week teams. He's applying eighty plus began to welcome back. This file installment of the Monday pice cast. It's the midweek racing sectional run through them. First off choose whether Wetherby tunes move hunts and Wednesday of go punch. Download low Newcastle. Doncaster Chelmsford at Wolverhampton Thursday Sedgefield thoroughness Huntingdon so chumps for the Wolverhampton Friday, Catherine X award Lingfield Chelmsford. I'm brace. Right. Good. We can prospect guys arena, we could see her as a great three number solit-. Thirst on Thursdays. Devin, national Friday nights handicap, hurdle tomorrow, Taunton. What are we seeing Rina's? Obviously the talking point given what the weather is doing at the moment. The most and their reluctance to run around anything over then good to soft soft ground, Cheltenham them. Well, I mean, I'm I'm on a quiet big double on Apple's jet when the Champion Hurdle and arena win the mayor's some kind of hope in this ruined doesn't happen on Wednesday. They might just swerve this because if the grounds not suitable for if it hasn't been suitable for all season. I don't get how it I can if by rolling pin? Why would it be suitable for in them as either? But I think he roll the dice it the it's it's fine to roll it is a challenge because that is what her season yet or oriented around. I've just got a feeling that. I think the owners are very Kate in Trump in hurdle. But I think that I think Willie Mullins is is desperate to runner in the mas-, really. And maybe if I think if she runs on Wednesday that boosts our Champion Hurdle hopes because they've gotten over run into think they would be a bit reluctant to go for Champion Hurdle. If she doesn't get this running and she lonely be going in after one run this season. And I think she will probably be going for the mayor's. Then if she misses wooden. Yeah. Very interesting Stu anything catcher ROY out about this week two things. I real still has a entry over fences at furthest, which I thought was worth mentioning obviously some decent hurdle form last year. And then there's one horse that caught my eye among the entries at Warwick. He's in a juvenile. Hurdles, this the I think Warrick is the Friday. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a horse called Faldo trained by Ian Williams. Right. And the thing that I thought was very interesting about it is he will be running in the JP manage green and gold silks. Now, he didn't run in them last time on his hurdles debut. He finished second to Ajay p horse in Alaska. Dine wasn't given too hard a race fat day and oversee JP has an absolute abundance of. Juvenile hurdlers at the moment. So what's he gonna on this one four really caught? My I think of him I see him as maybe a bit of a Fred winter prospect. So I'll be interested to see how he gets on. If he does run Warrick, and yeah, he was he was the host the really caught my eye. I couldn't agree more. We did spy that few of us in the office early on this week thinking Williams might have said, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure many people will that is his first wholesale by mama's does that sound right. Yeah. I'm like, you say very interesting the horse of him walls owned by j p Bilas where have you been looking at this week got one for the flat fans in the lucky last wolves tomorrow and the seven fellow Phillies nervous, I say a host could hichiara Clive cops run a respectable third on debut at foods, slowly away, pictures relieving the stores, and I think she. She could cook. Well, go well at west Midland's track tomorrow night perfect now, it's Tom feel midweek. Naps is will not be some park. You're hoping Lorena doesn't run. But what is your midweek nuts? There's a horse called of Gordon L. It's called. It's all guesswork the it's entered in the temps qualify Punchestown Turner Wednesday, which is obviously a minefield of a race. A like this stage of the season these horses at the top of the words, they don't really want to be winning. If they've got real festival aspirations this horses run off one to fall towards the bottom of the words. He was third in the Munster national after he was fell in the men's national sorry last time. But he was he was probably gonna finish. At least the doctor. And Iran of one thirty then he runs off just one to four over hurdles today on Wednesday. And I think that he's got good chance. He I mean he'd have to in very impressively to get into the Cheltenham Rhys that kind of. And so this is probably his his final thing. And I just thought it was an interest entry from Gordon Elliott. Okay. It simple and guy with Fowler. Perfect on business. A sticking on the flat fray, forty five Newcastle Wednesday that six fellow conditions stakes. Aren't she wants to what what a brilliant young trying to? This fellow is is co hosts go quite endeavor. Polly does going to tighten tight right gelded. I've the winter a bit disappointing on his last two starts, including when favourite for the group. Freese Iranian stakes is. Kempton if he can bounce back from those efforts. I think he'll go close fantastic. And that brings us to the end of the show as always remember to raked review unsubscribe wherever you're listening to us from tomorrow. We've got our anti cast. We covered the album Bartlett on the champion bumper in that won. The gold price cost is on Wednesday with the football on the Thursday and on Friday, Bruce will be back as usual to cover the weekends. 'cause so make sure to join him then. In the meantime, best with your bets goodbye. Follow putty power on Snapchat. The username is the potty power. And we promise there wouldn't be any boring. Snaps about gigs. The weather all the gym.
Episode 27: Spies Like Us - Rollie Flynn
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This Flynn is a a thirty year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency where she held senior executive positions including Director of the CIS Leadership Academy Associate Deputy Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Executive Director of the CIA Counterterrorism Center and Director of the Office of foreign intelligence relationships relationships she also has extensive overseas experience including as Chief of station in major post in Southeast Asia and Latin America Hand House of Clandestine Operations Officer in Africa and Southeast Asia. Eh What led you decide. He wanted to work for the C._I._A.. Well it was sort of an accident. I came from a family that served my dad was Army Air Corps during World War Two and career forest service nervous officer shortly after college. I went to work in book publishing. I was an editor at Simon and Schuster and I'd always wanted to see the world world I grew up in California small towns mostly and I'd never been east of Reno when I decided really probably the only person in history and an act of rebellion valiant went to Wellesley college rather than Berkeley so I'd always wanted to see the world but I was working in New York City at Simon and Schuster job I liked when I saw on ad on the op Ed page of The Sunday New York Times and it said do you like adventure. Would you like to see the world. Would you like to serve your country entry and I thought well yeah that all sounds really good. I sent away a cover letter on a resume to the name and P._O.. Box provided and of course I later learned the name on the ad was not a true name of any real person but I really didn't know what I was getting into till I signed on the dotted line and find a secrecy the agreement but I knew I was going to be undercover operating overseas and that all intrigued me and I said well I'll I'll give this five years and see what this is and I ended up staying thirty. It was an extraordinarily rewarding career and get up every day. You may not like every every day of your job but you always feel pretty good about saying I work to support the security of the American people so when you first began going your season I assume you've been through a training program. Yes rather extensive one that included had to do tradecraft effectively which is essentially to recruit and what we would call clandestinely handle or sources or in the C._I._A.. We call them agents or assets in such a way AH that you're not gonna get caught because consequences for these folks who cooperate with the U._S.. Government or the C._I._A.. Can Be Pretty dire anything. I'm from arrest and imprisonment to execution from your perspective when you I would overseas. Were you covered or were you uncovered in terms Luzia diplomatic stoves. I was very much undercover in fact very few people knew my actual employer. I told my father because I thought he would understand. I told a couple of my siblings. I never told my mother. My mother never knew where I worked. Really I really wasn't you kind of mystified by the places you are traveling to really. She was a lovely woman but she was not particularly particularly worldly. I don't think she would've understood what the C._I._A.. was and she might have worried a necessarily and so. I didn't tell her so you have done your initial training. You go overseas in. Is your first phaser. You actually trying to recruit people. Are you trying to run agents that have already been recruited but to succeed in the C._I._A.. Recruitment is the coin of the realm one of the worst things they can say about a case officer is can't recruit and most chance recruit recruiting hard if ken to sales it's being able to you ask do the big ask but also persuade someone to commit espionage to do something that could potentially cause them harm if found out out now we're very professional about how we handle our sources and we certainly do everything humanly imaginable to protect wrexham but there's always a risk. I was very much expected to recruit in fact during my first tour I was in Africa and my boss was constantly looking. At what are we doing to get you a recruit and you had to get at least a recruitment or to a first tour as a case officer to be considered viable case officer for life. Now that might have been a little different if I were they serving in a place like Moscow now we're recruiting would be much more difficult but in most of the world as a first tour case officer you're expected to recruit you're expected to handle <music> sources clandestinely getting caught and you're very much required to write a lot of intelligence reports of cables goes back to Langley. That's exactly right. They do there what we would call rotten intelligence as opposed to finish intelligence which are formal analytical pieces pieces which were probably what you would have seen when you were speaker at House. The raw intelligence reports are what come from our sources and they get put together with other rod reports into more analytical pieces into what we call multi source intelligence something raw intelligence Thing against everything we were interested in what the government was doing. We were also very interested in the A._N._C. because the A._N._C. for years was very close in the Russians the Soviets we were very interested also in what was going on with Jerry Trade Unions within South Africa. That was the closest thing to civil society. The trade unions were real powerhouses. I think we can still see the remnants that Cyril Ramaphosa is the president of south South Africa now who used to be the head of the mineworkers these really were you operating under your own name. Did you actually get the suitor newman fake passports and all that stuff yes. I was operating in my own name. However when we do some operations we do operate great and alias and sometimes we have different kinds of documentation to support those aliases that we're using so absolutely and particularly if we're dealing with a source of perhaps indeterminate reliability and you always have to assume them at some point a source could be turned? You do your best not to expose any information necessarily to that source so so in many cases my sources did not know my name when we come back. Raleigh Flynn tells the story of being undercover in Africa and facing a very dangerous situation you've been listening to my conversations with Leo Grillo founder of Delta rescue daughter rescues celebrating forty years of saving animals and providing riding love to abandon dogs and cats. Don't a rescue was the first no kill shelter in the United States and now the largest care for life sanctuary was kind in the world the stories Leo shared on my show like Delta a Black Doberman that started this organization all the way to the Thirty Five Dogs Leo found or hiking the Angeles National Park just warm. 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It gives us a couple examples of crazy things. I remember one of the things that happened early. In my career in Africa I'm blonde and blue-eyed and at the time I was in my twenties and I was coming back from a source meeting and I was driving the source was no longer with me but I had some documents from that source and I and I was driving through a market area now had the documents they were very carefully concealed in a way that as long as there wasn't heavy scrutiny scrutiny would not be found but as I was driving along not very fast real marketplace all of a sudden to the right of my car came running a little girl about five years old ran into the side of my car went with huge thump onto my windshield passed passed out was bleeding from the head and she was unconscious. I stopped the car was quite shaken up and had odd about a split second decide what to do at the time I think the standing orders which I wasn't aware of because I was fairly new in country we're to leave the scene but I didn't know that and so I had a split second decide. What's the right thing to do here? Do I stop and try to help. Do I drive drive on. Do I get out of there because if a mob takes my car apart they're gonNA find these documents and probably figure out who they came from which is gonNA call all kinds of problems for the source of mine so in that split second and I and I can't say honestly that I went through through all the ethical models of decision making it was more of a gut reaction. I got out of the car and fortunately the crowd I think was not as hostile toward me as they might have been. I think they could see I was young. I was very upset so there were two gentlemen woman there to locals and we put the little girl in my car and I drove her to the hospital and fortunately she turned out to be just bruised cruised up she was fine she came to by the time we got to the hospital and then her parents came. I paid the hospital bill which was about seven dollars and then a couple of days later on advice of one of the locals I went and visited her and brought her a little toy in her parents an envelope with a hundred dollars in it but that was the the kind of thing that could happen in those parts of the world traffic accidents which shouldn't be a big deal could all of a sudden spell life or death before the source certainly or if the crowd turned ugly they could have gone after me very easily. I another incident in Africa that happened. I I had a safe House meeting. We had our ways of using disguise but this was not a particularly high threat meeting so I was not in disguise but I was walking <hes> and doing a surveillance detection route toward my meeting which means sort of meandering around and making sure there's nobody following me when all of a sudden I started to hear a little motorbike behind me and a couple of guys on it and making cat calls and following me and inviting fighting me to the movies and I must have gone on for about forty five minutes and I couldn't lose them so I didn't go to the meeting. I kept trying to lose them and I finally said No. I can't go to the meeting so I boarded and of course at the time I worked for this very gruff chief of station and the next morning I went and told him what happened and he was very concerned about well. Did you go to the meeting. No I couldn't go to the meeting. I did want to drag these two young men with me and he said Okay and as I left I could hear him grumbling under his breath women case officers so and the old days some of have the Alzheimer's weren't keen to have women working for them in this field so those are a couple of examples those a T._v.. Show in F._X.. Called the Americans which apparently apparently was inspired by the F._B._i.. Actually arresting some deep agents that the Russians had put in years ago and I think they arrested about ten send people. Did you have much sense on that side of the business of how much we have to be concerned about other people trying to penetrate us. I I think we have to be deeply concerned about it and the Russians are very serious and concerning adversaries beyond the Russians. I think there are a lot of different countries as well as non state actors who are interested in penetrating US perceive us as adversaries and threats so yes absolutely the Russian Stu do that. They have what they call. Illegals deep cover individuals who will live inside a country and look like something they're not and that's exactly what happened with the folks who were arrested in two thousand ten who were in New York and Dan the mid Atlantic they were deep cover posing as Americans given the size of the Russian community in New York City who couldn't be that hard to pose when we're very open society in that sense well and the Chinese historically have recruited within the Chinese diaspora not only in the United States but Yeah well here now from the other side though we also had in terms of recruitment with Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen people who were clearly Americans and but who for their own reasons decided they wanted to spy for the Russians absolutely that's obviously a concern counter intelligence. We have no see Andy F._B._I.. Had Large counter intelligence operations because that's always a potential risk and when you talk about about things that were shocking I think when we learned that I'll james with spying for the Russians. I think a lot were shocked a lot lot though when they thought about it said Yeah I'll do James was he's had sort of the typical hallmarks of a spy in that most spies despise most of them turn snowden being an exception or Chelsea manning being exception most of them turn in their forties. It's kind of when the dream ends when life presents itself out James had money problems he had a new life with expensive tastes he was a drunk. He had not done all that well in his career. He was G._S.. Fourteen someone who probably had the intellect elect to rise higher in the C._I._A.. But for his personal problems and his drinking and candidly his laziness didn't go as far as he might. There's a really good article written by one of my former colleagues. He's a psychologist at the C._I._A.. Ursula Wilder and she looked at why spy she wrote her article initially after elder James But then she updated it recently and added it to leakers. I like the model she uses for looking at why I people spying they have three things in common. I is a predisposing personality disorder. You know there's some narcissism psychopathy sociopath capacity feelings of grandiosity and then there's usually a triggering event and that can be career problems substance disabuse relationship problems something like that pushes them over the edge but then finally there's opportunity unity with Aldrich Ames he was in the rare position as part of his job. He was expected to meet with the Russians so he could meet with them and look like he was doing thing is job. Most people can't do that but today one of the most concerning things to me is that there is so much more opportunity community primarily because of technology when Jonathan Pollard was spying he brought shopping bags full of paper documents payments now you can bring so much more just on a thumb drive if you're inclined to spy so I find that very worrisome cases like professionals channels like Ames and Hanssen clearly the Russians had also to some extent the recruiting business absolutely although both were volunteers. Didn't you find your own crew though that there were volunteers who occasionally walk up to you so I want to be helpful absolutely and in fact fact I would say that you never really recruit a Russian you give them an opportunity to volunteer. You know be the sort of person who is trustworthy who they can count on particularly if you're talking about someone who's in a country where even being seen with an American and is potentially perceived as espionage. They really have to recruit themselves ultimately and then volunteer we C._I._A.. Officers just try to give them opportunities to volunteer for instance. When I was overseas I always on my business card? Put My home address because sometimes they don't want to go into the U._S.. Embassy too much security too much possibility of people seeing them and being seen on cameras but would I put my home address so they would know where to volunteer if they were so inclined indeed people actually show up at your home address once in a Blue Moon ooh yes not always the ones you want. Let me put it that way not the ones you'd hoped for say exactly coming up. Find out what security issues keep a veteran C._I._A.. Agent up at night <music> given all your experience. What keeps you up? What do you worry about? Why worry about a few things I worry about North Korea? I worry mostly about accidents or miscalculations. We we now have enough countries in the world that have nuclear W._M._d.. Capability that I do fear accidents. I'm I'm also worried about non-state actors getting their hands on W._M._d.. Or some mass form of attack I'm less less concerned about the state actors but again. There's always possibility misinterpretation of signals so that does worry me those cases your concerns are as much about our potentially misunderstanding or misjudging as the other side. I would hope that we would be more careful than some of our adversaries. Oh you concerned about as you get into more modern technologies and the the rise of artificial intelligence et CETERA are you concerned about the degree to which we are vulnerable to more and more penetration by systems who may not understand absolutely and I think both in terms of the ability to collect information on us as well as to manipulate the information and to damage our digital systems we rely on these digital systems for running of hospitals hospitals of our financial services. I think also the potential threat of manipulation of our election systems is is very concerning not just by the Russians but by other actors who might want to do that and I think we saw just the beginning of that in the last election I mean what was done seems actually pretty crude just wholesale dumping of emails whereas if there had been more skillful L. careful manipulation they could have really planted much more damaging information. You're going to get to port reaction. No Way of knowing in something you see on the Internet it's real or not absolutely the Pelosi tape I mean that was really quite a crude production but in the hands of someone really skillful it could have been very difficult to determine whether it was genuine or not would you say was the most shocking experience you can actually talk about even today. The arrest of Aldrich Ames was absolutely shocking. I had been in the service then at that point twelve years ears and nothing like that ever happened. I think a lot of us were shocked by that. We were a bit naive. I suppose thinking this couldn't happen to us the deaths at coast in Afghanistan these so-called triple agent attack that was a huge shock to the system when when that happened I had just left. I was executive director of the Counterterrorism Center and I was National Counterterrorism Center at that point but I knew some of those people and that was shocking in that sense. Is it always even though you intellectually know it's dangerous. Business is always losing emotional shock when the dangerous shows up we plan our operations Just don't raise the same kind of suspicious man. You can put two women sitting on a park bench. Chatting can sit there all afternoon and nobody'll think anything about it uh-huh but put two men on a park bench and people start wondering what are they doing there. Why are they there? I think women are very good at intelligence intelligence in part because people don't notice them and in part because they're different. I've found that quite often. I could get meetings with people that my male counterparts couldn't simply because I was a little different the C._I._A.. I think is trying very hard to bring in more women and put them into senior places. One one of the issues we did have is of the women who came in with me. Most of them opted out and they either opted out by leaving the C._I._A.. Or they opted out by moving into other career tracks where they weren't involved in overseas clandestine operations and a lot of that had to do with with work life balance and I think it's a career where it's not always family friendly. You know I would have to go out at night and I couldn't necessarily surly telling my husband where I was going and that's not easy on spouses so I think women are very good at clandestine as an operations but it's not a life that really enhance your work life balance on another topic when I first came to the C._I._A.. C._I._A.. It was very much a white male conservative place and I had a girlfriend who came in with me and we're very good friends and I I remember one time. This would have been about nineteen eighty two. She and I were on an elevator and we were giggling about something and there was a very conservative gentleman on uh-huh elevator with us and we rode several floors together and when it came time to get off. He turned back to us and he said valley girls that C._I._A.. I never thought I'd see the day so we were sort of an anomaly. I think the C._I._A.. Has learned though that the nature of the business and it being a worldwide business that diversity helps us to our business. We need people who can look like all the nationalities of the world and to speak languages so the C._I._A.. is much much more diverse place than it used to be. Was Your husband aware the euro the agency before we got married he was but I didn't tell him right away. When we started dating and we were dating in Africa of all places he was naval officer so we had a clearance but because I was undercover I just didn't Willy Nilly? Tell anyone I went out on a date with where I worked so he and I had been dating a while aw and it was only when it became pretty clear that we were going to probably get married that I did tell him and I think he would have liked to have heard sooner but by then he was committed right that he was my children likewise. I have two children. I did not tell <hes> while we were overseas but when we came back from overseas and they were in middle school at an age where they could keep a secret and <music> at a point where they could understand what it meant. I told them and they were both pretty surprised. They thought I had some boring office job. It's slightly less shocking. They wouldn't have noticed I remember once my daughter. She must have been about in first grade when the the kids put together a little books with their family and they draw pictures of themselves and their family years my dad here's my mom. She has a boring being office job you know and when she doesn't do that she's a housewife I saw that and I kind of laughed a great story when you think of about what obviously you valued and found very very fulfilling both as a profession as a career what is it you wish. The American people understood about intelligence community at large and the C._I._A.. In particular I wish they understood we operate under law before I came to C._i.. Worked at Simon and Schuster Book Publishing Book Publishing. I worked with a lot of really smart really really creative people people. I enjoyed the biggest difference when I came to government to the C._I._O.. So worked with creative very smart people very dedicated people apple. The biggest difference was they were ethical the people I worked with at C._I._A.. Huge huge emphasis is put on integrity in fact if you are found to lack integrity. It's a career killer because so much of what you do you do out on your own when nobody's looking and if you are you know inventing stories or not telling the truth that's the end of your career. I wish they could could understand the dedication that people in the intelligence community and at the C._I._A.. Have and and how committed they are to the mission but also with a commitment to doing it in a lawful way I think when you watch the movies we we all come across as sort of rogue operators and while there is a certain case officer personality they would probably call us cowboys. We operate under the law from your perspective. It sounds to me like if somebody came up to you today. WHO's in the early twenties and said? Is this a career career worth pursuing that you really found it very fulfilling. I think I can say without hesitation that joining the C._I._A.. Was One the best decisions I made in my life. That's after thirty years of looking back. I won't say that every day of my time at the C._I._A.. Was a pleasure pleasure. I was in some uncomfortable situations but overall the trajectory. I think was positive I like to feel like I did some service us to our country and it's that bottom line of protecting the American people the you're a real joy to talk to thank you and thank you to my guest Raleigh Flynn you can read more about the Central Intelligence Intelligence Agency and Raleigh Flynn's life as a leader intelligence on our show page had neutral dot com neutral is produced by Westwood. One are executive producers Debbie Meyers and our producer is Garnsey slump. Our editor is Robert Borowski at our researchers Rachel Peterson. Our Guest Booker is grace. Davis the our work for the show was created by Steve Penalty. The music was composed by Joey Salvia special. Thanks the team had Gingrich we sixty and Westwood One's John Wardak and Robert mathers. Please email me with your comments and Newt had newsworld swirled dot com. 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Walt Disney Wolrd News for November 2020
"Hi and welcome to mousetrap. I'm Lisa and joining me. I have full game. I've got Lauren Sharpie and Steve Taylor, sir. Hey, I said howdy Lisa Rollie Sharpie. How's everyone doing to me? You beat me? I'm doing well. You gotta you gotta get around. How you doing? Lisa milk snake look like a ninja greeter like start the show is eager. So I'm doing actually pretty well. Got a lot done today. I got some new news that will share soon. I'm excited about that and Yeah. We're good. How are you? How's everyone else? We're all good, then they're going. Okay. All right. Well, let's get to it. We're going to be talking about a couple of things. Can talk about Disney on property Resorts and and what's so great about them. A couple of news stories. We had a little some news coming up on Swan and Dolphin and some Adventures by Disney news. All right. So let's get started with on property. Why should we do that? Well, this topic show topic actually came from personal experience. I had had plans to go down to Walt Disney World in November. I recently I was considering canceling the trip. I wasn't sure didn't know what I wanted to do yet down and but I had I had made my I had made the hotel reservation for an off property Hotel went to check on the reservation and discovered that the hotel has closed. I did not get an email regarding the status of the property. I did not get a phone call regarding the status of the property. I did some research and it turns out that people have been arriving at this property now for several weeks attempting to check in with paid in full reservations through third-party booking services, like Priceline like TripAdvisor. Like but hotels.com that kind of stuff. Yep, and the they're they're just kind of luck because the third-party booking once you've booked it and paid it in full it is and your your booking is then respond the responsibility of the property. So there's when you call the when you call the resort hotel number the phone number you get the same general company booking service booking the like the call center and they they provide a phone number to contact the property manager directly in that number is going unanswered phone calls are going unreturned. And just kind of a general reminder right now things are a little uncertain as everyone has learned on a daily basis since March month. So when you think about the the cancellation policies and stuff like that Disney has a very very forgiving cancellation policy under normal circumstances. Anyway, then they have been extremely forgiving during their reopening process from being closed for several months. Do do do to covid-19. So I'm Lauren and I were talking and and saying that's at the same time that there are a lot of missing benefits from staying at a Walt Disney World Resort right now about the visuals who have stated Disney Resorts frequently are used to such as extra magic hours things like that while while that type of stuff is limited right. Now, you say you have the name security and protection of your booking and your vacation funds. That you have always had with Disney. It's one hundred percent reliable. They're not going to they're not going to treat you wrong. And and I think that's something that has especially as things begin to reopen. There are a lot of hotel properties in the Orlando area. There are a lot that are closed and have been closed since March. There are some that are literally teetering on the brink of remaining open or closing for good the hotel property where I was booked every indication is that they have closed for Good no sad day it is and and then the other thing to remember is that if you are all at all familiar where we're going to we're going to take a a hard hard turn here, if you're at all familiar with a loss of low-end hotel properties in the Orlando area. It can be dangerous. When you when you when you Wander over into the Kissimmee area, there are some hotel properties that you're looking at booking in like the 40 to $50 a night range that I wouldn't I wouldn't book anyone and I might self wouldn't personally stay there. You have to be aware of that kind of stuff. So as people are beginning to travel looking for for super bargain deals. Proceed with caution there. There's some there's some shady business happening with hotel properties that were kind of marginally profitable to start with G, but there's a lot to be allowed to be cautious about learn talk a few talk a little bit about the different things that you and I talked about in terms of the features and benefits and all that kind of stuff that Would normally lure someone to the Disney property to stay but at this point in time, it's like there's no real benefit of staying on property really there is definitely like I think that normally you have extra magic hours you have, you know, you have the bus transportation which is still there which is still a positive Magical Express, which is going to be a free service to and from the airport which is still there still a positive. You know, you don't have Fastpass going on right now. You don't have home early morning hours extra magic hours or late hours going on. So I think that people are thinking right now that you don't need to stay on property off my opinion. There's a lot of reasons to stay on property one being what sharpie just mentioned where you don't know if off-site properties are going to stay open. We know Disney's going to stay open a name. Don't they stand behind their product and they're one hundred percent going to be reimbursing you if for some reason something happened which none of us see happening again any time soon, but I think you have that you have the the cleanliness Factor. Nobody is cleaning and sanitizing and taking care of you. The way Disney is so awful. That's a huge consideration, especially when you're worried about your health and and everything else going on. If you're in the Disney bubble the entire time, I think there's a tremendous value in that I'm currently because you're not worrying about oh, you know does XYZ Hotel? Sanitized and take care of things like Disney does the protocols are in place with Disney are not the same as everywhere else. Disney is beating to their own drum. They're taking this very seriously. They want nothing tied back them. So I think I think that alone for health reasons is a tremendous reason to stay on property right now. I also think ensure p and I were talking about this earlier with that Disney is going to add things back slowly. So yes, well today there may not be extra magic hours. There may not be, you know certain things happening. By January there maybe by March there maybe you know, we don't know how things are going to progress. If you look at the parks and Asia, which I think is a good indicator of how things are going to be there a few months off from us. I think you see them progressing you see them adding things. We've already seen them add experiences back in like Droid and savvis and you know, I'm going to see other things added we're seeing restaurants coming back. We're seeing character meals coming back albeit, they're altered but they're coming back in a way that Disney feels that they can handle it safely home. So I think when you look at that and you look at the progression, you're going to continue to see progression with Disney. It's going to be small. It's going to be peace by peace, but we're going to see things come back slowly. So if you're looking to book a table for say next October I would say it's a pretty good chance. You're going to see perks back, you know, so I think I think you have to weigh those factors. I think if you're looking to book a trip for you know, two weeks from now how long you can safely say what's going to be and what's not going to be but I still think the cleanliness factor is huge. Yeah, the sanitation in a hotel right now is your birthday security blanket to a successful stay. It's what makes it safe to travel. Yeah. I mean, there's just like there are so many different things that that we've all kind of talked about over the last few months that There are things that we want to stay in place after covid-19. Like the physical distancing in queue lines that like that that's yes. Let's let's let's all give each other a little bit more breathing room. I actually I agree. I do like that. I like I like not smelling the guy sweat next to me. I'm going to draw in a little bit of news here on this because it's it goes right along with what we're talking about is that it is currently rumored that there are preparing to roll out a virtual queue for two more attractions. And that is Smugglers Run and drum roll, please Jungle Cruise dead. Wow channel for us because the kidding if this myself when I I wrote Jungle Cruise on on this trip is the the the queue is so tight. Yeah, it's laid out. So awkwardly, there isn't an hour that's true to maintain distance and then they backed the queue up the steps, which is Thursday. Ada-compliant so that Q has nowhere to go. Yeah, the queue is always the queue is very tight when cuz it's just ropes say that Jungle Cruise was because he is such a coveted ride. Oh, yeah. Well, there you go. It is it is a an opening-day treasure. That is an absolute favorite of mine and everyone else's thoughts know is complete without seeing the backside of water. Only Sharpie. I like seeing any time. I am Ron that ride. All I think about is you home and his laugh below me every single time. They tell a terrible pun. All I think about is sharp me. I'm like, oh that's something Sharpie would say wage. I'm set up before the skipper the skipper on the boat that I was on this trip was the best Skipper Sammy. Shout out to Skippers Sammy you are phenomenal wage. Again, I think this may be the the second show in a row that I've given a shout out to to Skipper Sammy, but she was phenomenal. I mean the whole boat was laughing even at the really bad ones. So maybe we were just a really great crowd. I don't know could be. Yeah very punny. It was so much thought it was it was such such a fun Jungle Cruise, especially to have been missing from the magic for so long. Makes sense. Yeah, that's so rumored. Who knows? Who knows what's going to happen. They're okay with that. Although I don't like the race to the edge at 10 a.m. To get a Time. Virtual Q. I mean there are there are certain things that I will do for jungle cruise, but I have to be honest if that's the case. I would literally never ride that ride again. Oh, wow. Oh come on now, but like I like when they drop, you know, just it's it's there and and your book a virtual queue for it. Like I don't like the laws stand in the middle of the park have to have this on you have to like I hate that about rise of the resistance and I actually won't even go for it anymore because it's it's stressful. Hm, you know, I still haven't done it off. Still waiting that's crazy know it wasn't I haven't been I haven't been one since it's been open. There are some some extenuating circumstances that might prevent that from happening. Yeah. I have thought it was not open the last time I was there and then the media event. I think someone else went I don't remember something that I didn't go to the media event for whatever reason or maybe leasing office and then it wasn't me. I don't remember was that carry? I don't know maybe carry. Yeah, we were somewhere or something or working on something. I don't know. But anyway God yeah, so it's been awhile. I haven't and then Mickey and Minnie's runaway Railway. I still haven't done that behind you guys. Skyway sad used to share. I haven't seen this guy way that Wolfgang Puck Express is I saw that closing for good saw that really was so disappointed that I did not get my bacon wrapped meatloaf. I will continue to protest however equally disappointed. Yeah. It's such a good restaurant. So here well, here's the thing that I thought, you know, they open so many things and then covid-19. So if they can't do it then how are these other places are going to stay open. Right? Like that's the thing that I don't understand is a very popular place evidently not popular enough. I never went there and and walked right after the counter. There was always a line. I don't understand know I have a reservation to eat that Wolfgang Puck dining room. It's still open know. Well, they just redid it before, you know, it just reopened this year, but they had redone the whole thing and I have not I've never been there, but I booked a reservation to try it cuz I've never eaten there. So maybe Express just didn't make enough money for them, even though it was busy. Maybe the model. It was it wasn't too bad. Maybe maybe they were like, why why are you holding onto this thing when we're just making a small words barely breaking even on it, maybe their pricing or something wasn't right. I don't know. Yeah, well and did you guys see that the Swanson is no longer dropping guess off at? It's no longer part of the Disney Loop for for busing the Disney's The Swan and Dolphin Hotel. No longer has Disney Bus Service. They've switched to to private. Yeah, it's nice with mirrors and Sharpie. What what's the time? It's going to be now. The buses will run every 10 to 30 minutes during Peak periods of the day the buses could run off every 10 to 15 minutes, which let's let's just go ahead and be generous and say every 15 minutes cuz that's I don't see them running every ten minutes. I don't think there's any way they would do that off and even even if they tried Orlando traffic Disney area traffic is an even at its current level doesn't allow for everything in it. Definitely. Yeah, but I would say I would say thousand Ubly you're going to see a bus for Swan and Dolphin every 30 minutes. Yeah, which is what most off-site hotels run event at some point. Yeah every 30 to 60 Minutes usually so Lauren you had a good point on the disadvantages. Like if you're going from Swan and Dolphin now on mirrors or whatever they transportation and then you go to the Magic Kingdom unlike a Disney bus that drops you right at the front page order now go on a TTC. Yeah ticket and Transportation Center, which is not right there at the front, you know, which is another step to leave at the end of the day too. Yeah, that's always the worst. Yeah. I that's the worst is when we leave at bar closing and there's just a massive people to get on the ferry boat. And the the monorail is not running late anymore either so Yeah, that could be and there is no way to walk treacherous. Yeah, and if you could walk that's a that's a hike and that was the one perk of staying at Swan dolphin that you still got to actually do the Disney transportation cuz they were coupled with Beatrice. Yeah or Boardwalk. I think it was a couple of Boardwalk Beach and the other together boardwalks and Swan and Dolphin I think were together. But so as a deluxe Resort person who loves the deluxe Resorts, I'm kind of happy now because now we don't have to stop. I know I always remembered stopping their off. Why are we stopping wonder if Silver Lining walk Beach Club and Yacht Club on the same Loop now? No, I don't think so now and I have to be honest when I was there recently Yacht Club and and Long Beach work together and Boardwalk was on it was on its own. But there's also a ton of construction going on by Swan and Dolphin cuz they're putting up that economy Hotel you Tower. Yeah. So new in the neighborhood. Yeah, and it does change the site line there it does. You can see. Oh, really? Yeah, a lot of hate that they they left a temporary looking building. So it doesn't even fit in, you know, maybe when it's done it will but looking at the area it changes the whole look of the area. The other thing I was surprised at is when you are standing at the international Gateway in Epcot looking back to you American Adventure, you can see the Skyliner along the Treetops behind World Showcase. I was shocked that they We got that past history together. Yeah. Cuz like there there is the American Adventure Pavilion and you see any when you look really closely you see flying gondolas. Yep. Well, they used to be so good about that. And then as I mean there it is minuscule, he's noticeable. All right, I would have to look for it. All right, but still you can see it legalized Sharpie was there that was like wait a minute you're ruining my Yeah, I can't believe I'm in the American Pavilion anymore. There's a sky if you're in the American Adventure Pavilion yesterday. I don't think so either. I think it's really just the distance. Ya FR Park to the back of the Park. Yeah, you'll see it. Yeah. Oh well. All right. Well, it's been a while since I've stayed at this one though. I think no, I don't think I stayed at this one until I stayed at one of them. I don't remember which one I stayed when there was a convention there. Yeah, it's kind of was packed. Yeah. Yeah. The question is Lisa. Was there a fish on the roof or a bird? Remember breather? Sorry. It does look like a bird. It does looks like a Swan Swan looks like a small. It's the the dolphin that doesn't look like I mean often sees upside down a dolphin fish not a dolphin dolphin, right, but he he looks like em, cuz he's upside down. It's a fish. I guess evidently there's a fish that's called dolphin or that's my human. He is that what it is? Yeah, isn't it? I don't know. Hotel an educated I am about my fish but you eat it. I don't I always think fish I think of like a dolphin like flipper. Yes. Yes. So then you seemed weird fish as their icon for Sharpies best dolphin. Oh boy. Wow, that was that was playing the song. I wasn't even going to ask know what that was. Oh, all right. All right. Are we moving on? Yeah, so Adventures by Disney has some new news. Okay, so I find this interesting but this is my first introduction to it Adventures by Disney as many of you know are first-rate tours that off guided tours the Disney does and they're not all Mickey Mouse. They're nicely done tours around the world different continents different countries different itineraries. Different lengths I mean they're just incredible and Disney has two different places that you might never get into. Yeah, I mean special privileges and its first class all the way. And so you're you're getting this fabulous experience. You're learning the culture. You're you're immersed in the culture and you're with Disney people. So they've got a personality. They can tell you the stories the way they're meant to be told and that that's going to Captivate all the guests that are on these tours. And so what Disney's come out with now is what they're calling Adventures by Disney private adventures, and this is going to be new for travel in 2021. I got really excited because I saw a private adventures and I thought it said Pirate Adventures and I thought oh, but I digress that way when you figure it out. You were wrong. Yeah. I walked the plank myself. So these new private Adventures are there going to be introduced only at 5 destinations? So they're limiting and they're making it a job opportunity for families or smaller groups or maybe extended families up to 12. Yes to still get out there and travel and you don't have to worry you're going to know everyone in the party. You're not being lumped in with a bunch of strangers that you might not want breathing down your neck or next to you or sneezing near you. And so do you control who's in the group up to 12 people? you you're going to get a better price if you've got that full 12 people and but they will accommodate down to view, you know, just a couple if you want and you'll have a private talk. You'll have your guide you're going to pay a premium if you're going to bring it down to two but you've got a family of four family of five bring the grandparents something like that. This is ideal to to be able to get out there and still vacation and explore and learn and immerse yourself in these other cultures. So they're going to be going on sale. They will be available starting October 27th, and you're still going to have all of that premium level stuff that I was talking about like the accommodations and the month I know of Exclusive access to attractions you're going to have your privately guided tours and Thursday. It's going to be your same Adventures by Disney tour, but just a little different a little more private. You will have one or guide instead of the usual two, that's fair wage. It's still phenomenal actually and what's kind of cool about this is unlike standard Adventures by Disney trips. I may call it an ABD which is just the initial but most ABD trips have minimum age requirements or definitely suggestions and they don't have that with these private Adventures down. There is one exception and I'll tell you about that but the destinations that you can go explore are going to be Costa Rica Egypt Greece Italy and Peru. and Want as far as the age restrictions? The only one that's going to have an age restriction is going to be Peru and that's a minimum age of six. It's not like I'm encouraging you to bring your your four year olds and your two year olds are young infants on these trips? But technically you could use your best advice. I think six is a good cut off and that That's going to make it enjoyable for everyone Adventures by Disney is not going to provide childcare. So don't expect them. I know they do a lot but don't expect them to you know, young child or whatever. You'd have to check with local hotels. Whatever your accommodations are and they may have children's programming so you can have a nice dinner adult dinner wanted, you know wine Warren. And go team wine. But anyway, they're going to start booking these October 27th, and these are going to be for travel start in 2021. I I think they sound exciting. I actually think it's a really good idea, especially with these uncertain times. I think being a have a private Adventure. Is really intriguing because you you don't have to worry about who else you're exposed to who else you're around. Like, I think I think it's intriguing. I think that's really good idea and the travel aspect of these are going to start in April so they're not going to be right away. So you can check out some of the itineraries and what you know, what's cool about this is there's so stinkin customized you get to choose your own dates. You're not even picking, you know, like a cruise you pick your date Adventures by Disney you pick your birth, you know, you choose your date from what they're offering. It's not like that if you want to go Jesus you oh, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no wrong story. Yes wrong wrong everything. And so yeah, if you decide you want to do Italy and the normal Italy program is seven days you want to do 9 to Days, we'll figure it out for you. You can do nine days. You can you can choose if they normally depart on Saturdays and return on Saturdays. If you want to do Thursday to Tuesday knock yourself out telling those are the dates and they'll come up with a price. So it is truly customized to The dates that you want, I think that's incredible and the length. I think that I I love it. I'm going to see if there's anything else the more people do you have does the price per person drop don't look at it that way look at it as 12 people get to go. This is the price the fewer people you have. You will pay a premium. I mean you can look at it either way, but the pricing is based on a full 12-person party. Okay. Okay. I understand now, right? Yeah, cuz they want to send out a full tour. But if you have six then there is a premium. So you're going to pay a little bit more per person than you would pay per person if there were twelve. It's not it's not like there's a set price per tour that accommodates 12 people and you would pay 12 times as much if you want a loan. It's not like that. So it is I think it's very reasonable. I don't know if the general pricing is is increased because it is fewer people with that one guide or something because it is so customizable you have to call in and get your quote call your travel agent. Tell them what dates you want to go where you want to go what you want to do. We can find out what you want to do how much it costs. But keep in mind it is a premium product. So it's it's not it's not budget. It's not you go when you have the money to do it right off. You can go and stay in hostels through all of Europe and do it a lot cheaper. However, this is first class lot anywhere near the experience now so long and you know, the thing I like about Adventures by Disney is the secure feeling that you get the fact that everyone that is a guide whether it's your adventures by Disney guide took one of the locals they speak English and that I love and they've got your safety first Disney Disney safety's first. Didn't they talk about adding another safety rule? I remember what it was inclusion mask. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Sure Mass conclusion or inclusiveness. Yeah Sharpies, correct? Okay. I thought I heard something about that. Oh, and another thing to add is this is a position where you would tip the guide just like any other guide they do have additional duties that you need to consider when you're budgeting or this but if you need to budget for the gratuity, you might want to consider if this is right for you. You shouldn't have to worry about the gratuity to do this. as my cousin used to say I can carry the piano I can carry the bench. No, no, maybe not. All right, so that's that's the update on adventures by Disney. I think that wraps a wraps it up. Oh, oh, yeah. So out of these five destinations we had Peru Italy Egypt Greece in Costa Rica r p where would you go. Oh gosh. Or in your next I would probably have to choose Italy. I have two answers. Of course you do we aren't shocked. I know Sharpie white Italy, I would say Italy just because if I am going to go someplace where I want like the full story. I want it to be with Adventures by Disney by Costa Rica off. Yeah you yeah, I can see that with Adventures by Disney but I think there's just a lot more of a richness to the history of Italy a bigger Disney would unpack in a way that is relevant for my family. Okay. I I agree. Absolutely Lauren. Where are you going so she could do either Italy or Greece Greece has always been on my Hit List. However the history in Italy I think alone would make me want to do Italy Rome. Okay, Steve where you going to go? I have been to Italy you lived in it. I did so I would so I would do any of the other issue in Costa Rica. I think I agree with Sharpie Costa Rica reminds me. Yeah, see like Costa Rica reminds me of like the Caribbean or something where you're going to be like swimming and zip lining and which is fun but wage so each chipped is interested in Greece would be interesting or Peru any of those three would be awesome. I'll take any it's not like I'm building a Christmas list or any yeah. All right. I really want to go on one of those River cruises to like during Christmas time to watch the market market Christmas markets do the Holiday Market Cruise like gosh, I just need it's like this big stress relief does, you know just walk around and see the decorations and the music and all the food and go to all those different countries and see all the different Christmas holiday markets would be amazing wine cheese should be so cool. Nice all the all the the European handcraft. Yeah, it would be awesome. So yeah, and here's here's my tip for you. If you do go on a river cruise you took interest by Disney. pack two suitcases lightly So that you have room for souvenirs and things like if you go to a Christmas Market, it's going to be cold. So by a hat there by ask them if they're not only is it something you can use it's something that will be a souvenir and a momentum. Well, that's a that's a that's a really good. Good good tip. Yeah, cuz you know, you might go with your own hat and gloves but then you're bound to find something one of those adorable scarves or something and you may as well just plan on going, you know day one you're on a mission. You've gotta fight scarf hat and gloves and you know, what forget the purse now, you have to buy a purse unless you bring the more you have to buy. Just make sure you have you have room to get it all home. Yeah, yeah, we're buying extra suitcase, which is what I normally went up doing well and some people can get away with you know, how luggage can self contain, you know that you put the 18-inch inside the 21 inches younes those kind of like Russian dolls. If you can do that with like a month and a large you you've got an extra bag to go home with souvenirs and you know, you paid for one bag on the way there. So I've done that. I've done that in Reverse to going home for Christmas. I go with two bags and I come home with one. Anyway enough about that. I I would choose either Egypt or Greece. I I just interested in those. They're very mysterious to me. They're very very exotic and I think it would be fantastic to hear the stories that Disney would tell about those probably Egypt more than Greece. I had to choose one. That's what I'm going to go I'm going to do and I honestly Italian food is also kind of up on that list for me. Yeah, so good why so good? Oh cappuccino. Yeah. I mean it starts in the morning goes all the way through 9:00 start with your coffee and with a some cheese pasta wine. You're hungry now, aren't you? Yes, we managed to get food in here. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and grab the show wrap it up right here. I'd like to thank pixie vacations for sponsoring the podcast. If you have comments or questions for us, you can send those two comments at mouse off net. Thanks so much for listening and please join us again next time on mousetrap.
Dr. Derrick E. White (Ep. 17, 2020)
"I from the University of Texas at Austin K. UT radio this is in black. America. There was very little nearly nothing on historically black colleges and so at the time. I was at Florida Atlantic and so I was like and Bam. You is like right up the road. Well you know eight hours away from my house but I and I knew Jake gaither was dominated. I'd heard these stories from my uncles and I knew he was a fantastic program so I did a research trip and I went up there and they had the archivists there in the library at up before they were amazing and they gave me these materials. All these letters and documents and so I had budgets and letters professional teams and I begin to understand how he organized his football program. Because the issue is Pam. Today there was a lot of research money Let me so recruiting money and not a budget. Within coach Gaither was the ad coach basketball one point and those things. I thought those kinds of stories and that the greatness that the success that he was able to produce was Willie Gallimore Ken. Rollie Bob Hayes. I want to understand how that was done. I didn't WANNA chalk it up to that. These were just natural athletes that there was something being done happening on these institutions. That some coaches were better than others so I wanted to tell that story doctor. Derrick E. Y. Associate professor of history and African American and African studies at University of Kentucky and author of Blood Sweat and Tears Jack. Ghaith applaud him in the history of Black College football published by University of North Carolina. Chris Doing Super Bowl. Fifty four weeks recently held in south Florida more than thirty community events place but none more significant African American community than celebrating the legacy an impact of a SPEC- football and the NFL the African American Research Library and Cultural Center and the Urban League. O'brien county hosted student athletes on Mary highschools for panel discussion on the impact of ACC US on football former and current NFL players participated along with an NFL executive. I'm John L. Hanson Junior and welcome to another edition up in Black America on this week's program historically black colleges and universities and the NFL with Doctor Derrick white in black America in their celebration of the hundred year. It was not as historical as we would like right. I think the for better for worse college football who celebrate the One hundred fiftieth year and in conjunction with ESPN primarily. Done these series of documentaries. That kind of documenting the game so they did a great set of talking about the early game when the Ivy Leagues Dominated College Football. Right you get that kind of Astaldi. Nfl is not so much right. In their part of Wigan's law says that the integration the reintegration of the. Nfl in part is done. Because you know teams WanNa move to the West Coast Right. They WanNa play in Los Angeles And that the black community the La said no in particular forced the L. A. Don's to say if you WANNA come in you. GotTa you gotTa desegregate Your Team. So woody strode gets an opportunity to play and Kenny Washington gets a chance to try out for these teams and they make these teams in the NFL so we were talking about the kind of reintegration of of professional football as the National Football League celebrated. Its first one hundred seasons unbeknownst to many sports fans the NFL didn't have any African American players for decade from Nineteen thirty four to nineteen forty-six. There was an unspoken agreement between owners to ban African American players today. They are two African American general managers for minority head coaches and one chief operating officer for the first time the crew for sue both fifty four had a record number of minority officials of the seven on the field five for African Americans the contribution of historical black colleges and universities. Acc use to the NFL has changed the game forever undrafted by an NFL team. Paul tank younger was the first African American player from grambling State University to play in the NFL when he signed with the Los Angeles Rams in nineteen forty nine the first African American drafted in the NFL draft was jaws rooks. I running back out of Morgan state in the Eleventh Round. One hundred and twenty fifth overall by the Green Bay packers in nineteen fifty one doing super bowl fifty four week in south Florida Group of area high school athletes had an opportunity to learn about the rich history of black college football and his contributions to the NFL and Black America spoke with doctor. Derrick wide associate professor at the University of Kentucky. When I was teaching a class on sports history I found that the students knew nothing about historically black college role. They were as part of their assignment. They had researched The histories of sports history at various institutions and students had cookman in Florida. And I knew that those are really successful. Athletic programs and students came back with nothing. And so I've you know I just thought chalked up. Initially students being students that they just didn't do enough but when we both begin system. I realized there was a huge gap in the scholarship. And there's a Lotta work on sports. History is a lot of work on college sports especially college football but there was very little nearly nothing on historically black colleges And so at the time I was at Florida Atlantic in so I was like Bam. You is like right up the road. Well you know eight hours away from my house but I and I knew Jay. Gator was dominant. I'd heard these stories from my uncles and I knew he was a fantastic program so I did a research trip and I went up there and they have the archivists there. And the the library's at up in Florida were amazing and they gave me these materials in there. All these letters documents and so I had budgets and letters of professional teams and I begin to understand how he organized his football program because the issue is discussed our Pamela Day. That there wasn't a lot of research money. A lot of research recruiting money not money budgets. Within Coach Gate. There was the ad coach basketball at one point. And those things. I thought those kinds of stories and that the greatness that the success that he was able to produce was Willie Gallimore Kim. Rowley Bob Hayes. I wanted to understand how that was done. I didn't WANNA chalk it up to that. These were just natural athletes that there was something being done happening on these institutions in some coaches Were better than others and so I wanted to tell that story talk about. Integration Immigration had a positive effect but it also had a devastating effect on also African Americans going to the NFL right so an integration was boom for professional football. Right then you know one of the reasons that Jake was so able to be so successful especially early on in the forties and early fifties that many of his former players gather degrees and became teachers in the high schools. All across the State of Florida and North Georgia. And so he would. They would just send him letters. Like hey coach gay. Got This really. Good kid this Willie Gallimore guys pretty good right. Like this is how he got recruiting information was from his former players but those players were talented but there was no professional football opportunities and so when those opportunities really begin to open up a specially after nineteen sixty when the AFL comes in then professional football now creates a new opportunity for black colleges in small colleges in general and so that becomes this boom and on the backside that the course the civil rights movement is happening at this exact same time right so brown. V Board of Education. This is entire push to desegregate schools Whether the high school level colleges etc and so so many ways why colleges Kinda caught between their own. Their success right. They're producing these great players in the NFL. Minium all pros as we talked about earlier. Thirty two or in the NFL Hall of fame at the same time. There are new opportunities at Florida. Miami or Georgia and that these schools especially in the deep south are slowly trying to recruit them when you look back at the history of ACC using his contribution to to the NFL. I found it amazing and the one hundred year the League. There's very little that has been articulated about a SPEC- US or the early African American players and they and their celebration of the hundredth year. It was not as historical as we would like right. I think the you know for better for Worse College Football who celebrated his Hundred Fiftieth Year and in conjunction with ESPN primarily. Done these series of documentaries that kind of documenting the game so they did a great set of documentaries talking about the early game when the Ivy League dominated college football. Right you get that kind of Nfl is not so much right. And they're part of Wigan's law says that the integration the reintegration of the NFL in part is done because teams WanNa move to the west coast right. They WanNa play in Los Angeles and that the black community the La said no in particular forced the L. A. Don's to say if you WANNA come in you gotta you gotTa desegregate Your Team. So woody strode gets an opportunity to play and Kenny Washington gets a chance to try out for these teams and they they make these teams nfl so we were talking about the kind of reintegration of of professional football. And I think he didn't do a great job. I think it was a missed opportunity. You know I think that you know while. Nfl films has been an amazing. Kinda reservoir of all the kind of history of the NFL. I think they missed an opportunity to tell this unique set of stories about the early players and to really kind of confront the racism that was embedded in NFL football That Push Fritz Pollard. In others out the League in the Nineteen Thirties. I'M NOT GONNA spend too much time but I do want to talk a little bit about the importance in history of historically black college football in wake of the Super Bowl. That is happening here in south Florida this weekend college football just recently celebrated its One Hundred Fiftieth Season Professional. Football just celebrated is in the current celebration of its hundred season and one of the things that gets lost are discussed if you've been paying attention to. These stories is the role of african-american athletes in particular because of segregation that many of the black athletes that are celebrated by the NFL and College. Football were members of historically black colleges and universities and so for many people who are aware of the landscape. And I know this is a this is a home crowd because I know many of your teachers are graduates of Doom Cookman graduates of Florida graduates of Clark Atlanta or more house. And other historically black colleges. Who are really shaping your lives in many ways and so for you many times when. I sat in that exact same seed as a high school student in Lexington Kentucky Mini and my teachers including my mom or graduates of Kentucky State University. And so this is very much a project that was near and dear to my heart. Let me really quickly. Because I don't have much time this morning. I want to say a couple things that in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. The University of Miami traveled to Tallahassee to play Florida and him and on paper and from the modern perspective. Many people like yourselves when I introduced students assume that this game would be a blow out but Florida. Am One sixteen thirteen on a goal. Line stand in Misfield in the last seconds of the game. And what's interesting is when I researched this when I came across this story and the story of this game. What was most interesting to me? Was that the newspapers in Florida. Had Florida A and M as a favourite and I saw that as a clue right. This is a moment to think what was happening that these knowledgeable sports writers black and white thought that Miami would lose to Florida and this opens up a whole history of black college football that beginning in eighteen ninety two. The first historically Black College football game was played in North Carolina and by the early twentieth century. The game was brought to the state of Florida and so in my book. I talk about three kinds of things because this is like your high school when people like to remember three things right so three things you could take away. The first piece of the book talks about what I call a sporting congregations. How did and why did black colleges create athletic programs when they are struggling for money in a segregated educational system relying on Churches? Donations in philanthropy. And how do they do it? And how do they do in such a successful manner and they do this in a couple of ways that these sporting congregations are really the reaction in the product of the work of former players? Many of whom had played as African Americans have played northern schools like Dartmouth or Colgate who come only get jobs as teachers at historically black colleges. It is a project of administrators who supported Allow for student body. Take extra curricula activities. Besides debate and say that they're young men could go out and play tackle football. The third piece is that it required a bass in robust black community in particular. The black press that black newspapers like the Chicago defender the Pittsburgh. Courier and others supported these bowl. These emerging teams and so as a coalition. These things formed a sporting congregation. This is probably most evident in Florida. When in nineteen thirty three Florida am creates the Orange Blossom classic now? How many people have heard of the Florida classic all right? How many people have heard of the Orange Blossom? Classic SAYS A I C MO. My older my season citizens because the orange blossom classic has not been played but beginning in one thousand nine. Thirty Three Florida in an was not a very good. Football program had been playing kind of sporadically for two decades. They decided that they were going to hold a bowl game or an exhibition game. That would be that would invite a team from another part of the country in this case Howard University down to Jacksonville to play this game and in doing so. Howard was one of the elite institutions. It had an elite football program had previously won a national title two years before this game and in doing so they get for they. Get Howard down to Jacksonville. And they're selling this black community in Jacksonville and they support. This game wins. The first game upset against Howard University and the Orange Blossom classic becomes the most important Black College football classic in its existence from Nineteen thirty three into the early nineteen seventies in nineteen forty seven the orange blossom classic will move to Miami and so we see the creation of this sporting congregation. Coming to fruition right. The Black Community and south Florida will move the game. Here it will be the first black community black team to play in the Orange Bowl in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven in fact. How many have you guys played in Trash Pile Stadium? Almost all right never won there okay. Who's traffic does anybody know? Who Tries? Powell is a black man okay. That's the point anybody else. Two time all American in Florida. Who was a longtime coach in Miami at George Washington and Carver? He also caught the first touchdown in as an African American. In the score the first touchdown in the Orange Bowl so he's legacy here in south Florida so after this sporting congregation allows for schools of all sorts. Whether it's Florida or Howard. University or Tennessee stay or Jackson state or prairie view to establish this network and Support College Athletics in Particular College. Football what we see is what I call the second part of my project. Which is the Golden Age Black College? Football that after war to from war which ends in one thousand nine hundred forty five to nineteen seventy. Hughes the Best College football programs in the country and I know that's hard to see when you ask your teachers who are familiar with these programs. They will tell you that there's a reason that Lsu did not wanNA play grambling. There's a reason that Florida Am University of Florida. Never got an opportunity to me because the coaches both black and white fully anticipated that the black colleges were better. So how do they become so good? Well they had these legendary coaches right and they had created this network that had I gave birth to the game and now he began to bear fruit. So coach Gaither at Florida. Idiom used to brag that you know and when it came time to recruiting. He just sent one coach down one side of the State of Florida. The other coach down the other and they would brain back all the best players in the state of Florida and they would all be rattlers and this dynamic allow for Florida and in particular to become one of the most dominant programs in the country after World War. Two and so this golden age is an important moment. This is the moment when we think about all the great players. In fact Larry. Little who will come out here and little bit is on the tail end of this. Golden Age of Black College football. This is where we Bob Hayes. Buck Buchanan right men who are in the hall of fame who were stars in age. Vcu Football and one of the reasons that we know that this was the golden age. And I make the claim. Is that the professional. Football takes notice that the Kansas City chiefs are playing in their first Super Bowl. Since nineteen seventy go. Forty niners. What you're saying over here and one of the reasons that the Kansas City chiefs was able to go to two super bowls in the late sixties. Three super bowls in the late sixties is that they had found a secret ingredient and secret strategy that allow them to be extremely successful that they were the most aggressive professional football team when it came to recruiting signing and drafting players from historically black colleges and so the last time that they were here in the Super Bowl and nineteen seventy that thirteen members of their thirteen thirteen players were from H. vcu's including buck. Buchanan Willie Lanier. Both of whom are in Pro Hall of fame now when we win. The PRO football finds out that black colleges have tremendous athletes players like Bob. Hayes Buck Buchanan and others the predominantly white colleges because of the civil rights movement and because the desire to win football games begin to end the South Donnelly white collar to begin to slowly recruit African Americans. The University of Miami is the first in the state of Florida to recruit a player in nineteen sixty. Six University of Florida will follow suit by nineteen sixty nine and across the south that African Americans. Now have a choice. They can go to four. Am They can go to University of Miami? They could go to Notre Dame they can go to Michigan State. They could go to southern and these choices allow for the Large predominantly white institutions to use their resources to their advantages there to wind the dine them to recruit them to use illegal inducements in some cases to encourage them to come to their institutions. And what we see is the slow seepage of talent losing of talent in historically black colleges in addition we also see generation of gray coaches slowly begin to fade away. Jake gaither retires. Billy Knicks retires Henry. Arthur keen dies so these men who had molded generations of during the Golden Age have began to pass away and so others like Eddie Robinson will continue on until the nineteen nineties. John Mayer will kill you on at Tennessee state until the nineteen eighties. That these men are not able to stop the tide of talent. Leaving historically black colleges Jake gaither would say he says that he believes in integration. He just believes that the method is wrong and he saw this. It had undermined this. It's been his whole life in Florida and then from nineteen thirty seven to nineteen sixty nine as as a coach and he saw that this program they had worked so hard to build begin to be undermined by integration. Talk to about Lamar Hunt. Lamar Hunt Lamar Hunt. Is it is amazing. He you know his chiefs are in the super bowl this week. And I've said this project I was like man. Lamar Hunt. It makes no sense. He's the son of oil man from Texas and he is the one who embraces black college athletics black athletes in general but black college athletes since particularly and one of the things. I kind of talk about in my book that there were teams recruit players as kind of an advantage. But they were only recruiting. They went to Michigan State or Notre Dame. Ucla and so he really leaned in and recruited HP players in particular. He hires the first black scout for him. Is Lloyd wills who was a former reporter from the Houston Houston informer and Lord Wills had all these connections have been athlete student? Athlete Prairie View and was close friends with Otis Taylor's famous case. And so he's one who's giving you know as a part time scout initially Confidante Hank Schram in Lamar Hunt. He's giving him information about. Buck Buchanan and has the thing and so when they draft Buchanan number one in nineteen sixty three that changes the game that he's a star from the very beginning and I think it's telling that the AFL drafted him number one in sixty three. I think he was drafted in the fifth or sixth round in the NFL right. So the such a huge discrepancy in terms of the way his talent was viewed it. So Lamar Hunt was many ways of maverick in terms of of really kind of pushing away the kind of his Kind of The racism that was he grew up with in Texas as kind of elite will man. He had no prior experience. Such as that suggested that this is the kind of half that he would do but he was competitive and that he saw this as a competitive advantage and he really leaned into it and it was an opportunity for all black colleges wanted an important for young African American athletes to know that they can take it to the next level attending. Abc You. Well I think that the black colleges do they they have been in a you know a as one of my friends. His new book is called shelter in the tunnel. Storm at black colleges have served our communities For many decades in many you know since we've been here I you know I own my own success. My Mom's Kentucky State Graduate My Guidance Counselor and went to Kentucky State Until I understood that role right not just as athletic role but as a just a community role the role of black professors. I know that you know if you go to a historically black college the odds and you having black professors on a consistent basis are much greater than they are better than fifty percent right as much greater than it is any many other institutions despite all the discussions about diversity and diversity initiatives and so. I think there's something you know something. Besides resources described it in my book as Human Resources that black colleges have human resources in that makes up. It doesn't completely make up but they lack some material resources but they try to make a human resources whereas other institutions have abundant material resources. But if no one can think thinks that you can learn that you don't belong there that you can have a terrible Nag. A negative experience that those resources cannot fixed and so. I think that that's one of the things I wanted to see and I think. Athletics is a way of understanding that plus it has that history of greatness wealth in basketball and in track and field as well as in. Football Beautiful Radian. What is it about the athletic polyps of african-american athletes in this state particularly football? You know you know if I knew the answer I would You lose retire right. It would be my own gatorade right now. I think that this is about whether I think that. Like I think that there's something about that Florida's very outdoor spirits especially for working class. African Americans is still an outdoor space. Kids still go outside in the heat. They've run they play some. We have you know I think that if we look at the park system the schools. We still have a lot of you know. Desegregation happened in the state. But there's these pockets of like. Oh what we think of is formula. So Booker T. Washington still here Some of these schools dealer still Ilyas like these schools that have become that were were initially predominantly black become integrated and then remained predominately black because a white flight and other things and I think that those schools provide kind of opportunities. We see this in Tallahassee Belfair Mu and Lincoln see this other schools across the state and so I think there's something to be said about it but I don't know what the magic the magic potion is. I mean there's a stat. I think I saw that. The wizard a Lake Okeechobee. The two high schools produce more professional football players. And they they blame it on the muck and you know. They think that there may be some science to that. I'm you know I also think that for me. I'm those kinds of discussions if only because it has a certain kind of naturalism. That black people are natural athletes. But I do think that we that FOOTB- sports are serious here places where sports are serious that you see the product to that. I think that's kind of the way and so for for Larry littlest generation. It was a way out a way to go to college right. They tie you get to college. That was the way and then it was a way to get you into the NFL. And out of you. You know out of kind of working class lower class circumstances and so I still think it has that kind of hold over at as a mechanism and kids when I taught at. Fau they say well. I I WANNA play an NFL. 'cause I understand that I don't know what lawyer engineer and so I think those kinds of dynamics are still at play any criticism from your your colleagues about not at all. There's been really well received. I think it has been. I've been very pleased with the support gotten from university. North Carolina. Impress my colleague. My former colleagues at Dartmouth and my colleague current colleagues at the University of Kentucky. No one has anything to say negative. I mean other than the normal reviews that you get But it's been really positive. Is Glowing fits you know. There's been a couple of other books that came out between the time I started but this I feel like is the most kind of historical and kind of robust in terms of kind of feeling in the broader history and contextualising sports so a spouse civil rights movements about sports. It's about black communities. All those things are kind of intertwined. And that's one of the things I try to do doctor. Derrick white associate but first of history and African American and African studies at the University of Kentucky and author of blood sweat and tears at gaither Florida. 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I-5 Series Game 3 Postgame Show
"Either Baseball fans and welcome proposed H. Show after the team from southern California rebounded from two losses up north and earn their first. Win The interstate five serious a six game. Three victory at dodger stadium should as ravine was rocking. The sound system was cranked up from deafening. To may you can hear the music and sound effects from space. We'll start this story of this game at the end which couldn't have been more thrilling. Barry bonds hit four homers in the first few games of the series came to bat with two outs. The bases loaded in northern California team down for bonds could have tied the game with one swing and the way he was going in this series. You you thought there was no way he'd sale but rollie fingers brought that That big mustache onto the mount He had created the mess and then he got out of it by getting bonds to pop out for the twenty seventh out so Jim Palmer started for the so counts provided a performance. They needed to avoid going down three. Oh in the series It helped that his offense hounded cease about the for five runs on a two run mark. Maguire homer in the first three run blasts from Fred Lynn in second lefty Gomez Relieved Sabathia and Kinda made a case that he should have maybe been that starting pitcher in this game. He had six in the third shutout innings of. He gave an account offense a chance but they couldn't capitalize and I bring in northern California manager Bruce Jenkins And while Bruce. You're managing this team in this in this series gate. Capper's winner set the rotation for the first three games and Samantha was a controversial choice. I mean what what the options have been Gomez imagine would have been one. Oh without a doubt Pitching for the nineteen thirty four Yankees. One of the Great World Series pitchers ever she look it up and you know A good change of pace as a left-hander Would have been a wonderful choice. Dave Stewart would have been a good choice. I'm sure anybody who follow Dave Stewart's Oakland A.'s career about big money pitcher. Whoever came along We got CC. from Kappler's call. It didn't work out. I will say that as I met the press afterward my first words were Edam capper. What the Hell is no? Actually I didn't even mention copper. I I'm not going to say you know this is not my fault. Sees a hell of a pitcher. He got hammered. He got hammered by two of the best. And that's the thing here. I mean you talked about Mark Maguire and Fred Wynn and not everybody's GonNa stand out so Put us in a hall and now this is series. Yeah I mean this was the biggest homerun Fred Linnet since he took Atley Hammock or deep for the first Grand Slam in all star game history in nineteen three. He probably came to the blade. Thank Gosh I sure. Wish I had Atlantic around the mountain and not see cease about the but he made the most of the lefty Gomez six and a third shutout innings left. He was an easier one of the greatest world. Series pitchers ever wasn't he? Yeah I think he was was he five and lifetime. I'd have to look that up. I I know. We're using his nineteen thirty four season in particular but he was just an automatic in the world. Series you know. It's huge part of those great teams with Joe Dimaggio. Bill dickey read Ralph. You know before Before the mantle and Damange era Jo. Jody was work in there too but Yeah Lefty Gomez you know he Talk about the conversation. The dugouts Game three and he's still not starting but man to go six in a third allowing one hit against this is phenomenal yet. A phenomenal performance by Gomez You know it's too bad. It was kind of wasted in. I wouldn't say garbage time because the game was still close but You know he wasn't able to pitch with a lead that well and unfortunately or the nor kaos Jim Palmer just I mean he just had a great game which you would expect from him I presume you with pitching with pants on not just in underwear And there's this other the northern California lineup which is which is a heck of a lineup Just couldn't come back and so this game started the way. The first two did up north at Seals Stadium and candlestick park with the home team. Getting a first inning jump with belong ball. Samatha walked Ted Williams which will happens a lot. in the series and in real life that brought Mark Maguire to the plate and risk. John Miller the call last half of the first inning. Nothing nothing but Ted Williams who walked at first base and Mark Maguire at the plate against Sabathia Maguire big right handed batting slugger and the pitch and he hits deep way back into center field. This has a chance way back. They're still gun and homer for Mark Maguire into big Mac in a tough race. You hit a home run here. A dodger stadium and just like that southern California needing a win has eight to nothing lead the so cows continue their assault on Savannah in the second inning. Robin Yount it. A double over Willie startles head into the right field corner Ke- and catcher lance parrish walks. I think Paris getting his first. Start of the series. Then the big blow a three run homer by Fred Lynn. That gave the so cows five. Nothing lead so right off the bat we have five runs with Jim. Palmer on the mound. Protect the lead. It's almost a reverse image of game to when the nor cows took an early lead and Tom. Seaver ran with it and pitch three hitter for the win. Bruce what is that? You've loved watching. Jim Palmer throw over the years and one of the most stylish pitchers ever. I'll never forget the nineteen seventy nine world series in Baltimore. One starts warm up down the third base line and and as Palmer finished his warm ups and started walking toward the Orioles dugout fans standing. You know like the wave as he asks they all stood and applauded him such great history and so much so much so much to come from him And he did strip down later for the benefit of the of the cameras for for the audience out there in the locker room. He did to his post game in his undies which woods at that was only right but but I love gym. I Love Jim Palmer. Love watching him work. He had a beautiful pitching motion. And you know what a career Jim Curtin recently wrote that. Jim Palmer never gave up a grand slam and on a couple of times in his career he actually walked a guy with the basis loaded not blatantly but he walked the guy just knowing he could get the next guy because that Grand Slam thing meant so much. I'm sure it was like eight to one at the time. But wasn't five to four light when Buck showalter had five debris when Buck showalter. Barry Bonds walked intentionally so he could face. Brent main a little bit of yeah so We It the northern California team is is down finding itself down by multiple runs for the first time in the series at bonds who had already hit a bunch of home runs. Had a chance to get the knockouts back into the game when he batted with a runner on in a run in the seventh inning. Now Southern California manager Houston which will turn to Trevor Hoffman. Who is Dave Roberts? Pick to close day. Robert said he would would go with Hoffman because he loved that. Change up and it worked out. Osman struck out. Barry Bonds Barry Bonds of the players Northern California tries to get back into the game. Bonzo four home runs in the first two games of the series was over three against Jim Palmer today but now he's got to move on. And Trevor Hoffman in for the bullpen. Deflation him sixty to southern California leading papa with the great changeup and even bonds has troubles with. Trevor Hoffman. Two strikes account and the pitch this piece struck out and that chain still sixty to southern California. Going to the last of the center About when you heard Dave Roberts with all the closers southern California's had what are your thoughts about Having using Hoffman in Well this is not closing situation. It was in the seventh inning. But sort of picking him as the as the guy that he would want in the ninth inning but tight game. Yeah well as as it happened In as the voting went there were a lot of tremendous. Relief pitchers Redan quizzing. Berry comes quick quickly to mind southern. California relievers that could have made this staff as it happened with the fans votes. The only real relievers were often end. Rollie fingers so You know Dave was partial to Hoffman. And what can you say? I mean these The San Diego fans will argue just as seriously for him as the as would be for for Riley. But you know bonds had gone over three against Palmer which spoke highly of Palmer. But but Houston wanted Hoffman here and I got you know. He threw a changeup and and struck out. Bond Stan the inning. We'll you know Houston is a tinkerer. We all know that. But you know. There's a lot of tinkering in this series. Because you made it clear in the know before the series again that it had thirty four players on each team in the old days in a world series. You might have ten eleven guys. Play all seven games if it went that far but you wanted to get as many of the northern California players in as you cut right. Yeah I started Keith Hernandez in game two at candlestick Cappuccino high in San Bruno. And you just look down the abandon when we get to the East Bay. I'm going to be looking at curt flood and Willie McGee and Jimmy Rollins. Now it's just it's amazing in Houston. I both agreed that we're not going to make this a circus but at the same time you WanNa get guys in game one. I got a bunch of Old San Francisco. Guys got four guys from back in time into that game and and menaces surviving so. That's kind of the way we both want to do it. We WanNA win. We don't want to make it a joke that we want to get players in there too. Okay I didn't I didn't hear a word you said because the sound system dodger stadium was so loud loud last year's all I I heard the word circus and then I heard that at Annonay. Beethoven's coming in next Beethoven okay from strike three as he wrote so long ago. We we go to the ninth inning and the Northern California team did rally rally against Raleigh Raleigh. Rally Harry Heilmann through a pinch walk. Aaron Judge also came up as a pinch hitter. And he got a pinch base at Ricky Henderson walked that loaded the bases And so the Northern California team down sixty two had something going here and it seemed like even though he went over three against Palmer and then got struck out by off men It seemed like with the bases loaded and the northern California's down four down to their last out It was good to have barry bonds. Up didn't go the way the nor cows wanted A to. And here's how John Miller sixty to southern California would to down in the ninth inning but rollie fingers who got the first two hitters easily enough then walked Harry. Heilmann gave up a pinch hit single Aaron judge and then he walked Ricky Henderson and now barry bonds comes up. Bonds is the possible tying run. And He's already hit. Four home runs in this series. Although he's over three today Jim Palmer retired three straight times. So here's fingers with tension and drama plenty at dodger stadium and he throws bonds swings hops. It UP FIRST BASEMENT. Maguire over new the bag. He's got it and that budget a drama in the ninth with a hands on for the win sixty to southern California. Now it's two games. One Northern California had the scene shifts to Anaheim for game four tomorrow all right sixty to northern California lost northern California still has a two to one lead in series in As I hope that the fans are figured out so far it the series is going to be played in a bunch of different stadiums and tomorrow if game. Four will be a at Angel Stadium of Anaheim of Los Angeles of Angel Land of Marino land of Anaheim Brusca. You made a decision. You decided not to bring Randy Johnson back on shore grasp but instead you're turning to Dave Stewart and gave Kappler didn't select for one of the first three starts on Stephen. Strasburg will go for the so cows and I'm just wondering if your decision not to have Randy Johnson back on short risk had anything to do with your head. My debt decision have been different if the nor cows were behind in the series. Well Yeah I mean I. We certainly haven't seen the last of Randy. Johnson don't I'm expecting things to get Interesting because So much respect for that southern California team but I I needed Dave Stewart to have a start in this series. And I wasn't GonNa wait any longer. I mean he just simply has to s Roger Clemens. Who about Dave Stewart? Who beat him at every big game they ever faced so It's going to be stew and you know I'm leaving it open for the rest of it. Who who knows how. It's going to go after that. We'll see how this goes but feel good about Stuart Pitching bitching tomorrow in Anaheim. Lord knows those Angel Fans Have Memories of Stuart Shutting Down Their team. So let's see okay. Well we'll talk to you after game four when you'll either be looking at a three to one northern California lead or two series until then Bruce. Talk you then entering. Thank you for listening. 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Crimes of Passion Bites: Accomplices
"Welcome to park cast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners some additional content to help them dive. Even deeper into the true crime rolled. Every week. In addition to your normal crimes of passion episode, we're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular park originals to help us explore ideas like motivation, method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is, you can find the original episodes for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today! We're discussing accomplices of criminals. What leads someone to assist another person in crime? Even if they don't pull the trigger, are they still guilty? According to United States, law and accomplice is quote a person who knowingly voluntarily or intentionally gives assistance to another in the commission of a crime. This can also apply to someone who knows that a crime is going to happen and does nothing to stop it oftentimes an accomplice. Criminal sentence standards as the main perpetrator of the crime. So why would someone become an accomplice and subject themselves to the possibility of jail? Eric W, Hickey forensic psychologist and author of serial murderers, and their victims says that when criminals work in groups of two, there's usually a distinct power dynamic at work. One perpetrator is more dominant, and they are the one guiding the crimes. The dominant criminal seeks out an accomplice, suicide, emotionally, vulnerable, young, or mentally unstable and therefore easy to manipulate. The relationship creates codependency, the dominant criminal needs the accomplished to fulfil their desire for power, and the accomplished looks to the dominant criminal for a justification and reassurance. Lastly, criminals also tend to seek help from individuals who have previously committed crimes. In Dr Hickey Studies, he found that half of the accomplices involved in killings had a previous criminal record. But clips today will the accomplices and their roles in crimes. The first clip is from podcast original con artists than covers, French. CON artist and thief Gender Lamont. Jen perpetrated the infamous affair of the diamond necklace in the seventeen eighty s. Jen posed as Queen marie-antoinette to manipulate a nobleman into buying a million dollar necklace for her on credit. Then instead of repaying the loan. She sold the jewels on the black market. But Jen would need help pulling offer scheme Jen's I to compass was husband Nikola, but in order to pose as the Queen Gen would also need a forture. By, seventeen, eighty, four, twenty, eight to roll John, do Lamont had risen from a beggar on the streets of Paris to a well kept woman with a household of servants, or at least that's how it's appeared. John and her husband. Nicola went through great pains to keep up the illusion of wealth through various more scale schemes, but now Jan was about to break through into the big leagues. And that meant she needed. A True Co conspirator that Winter Jan recruited Rato Davila for her plans. Violeta was an old army pal of Nikolas he was also a bit of a scoundrel. He served on the local police force, but was chased out of town after insulting a young woman in front of her parents. But all of this was inconsequential Jan. She was most interested in villa's experience in forgery. Three years previously when they first met Prince Louis Doron had unknowingly revealed to Jan a huge weakness. Queen Marie Antoinette hated him, and he was desperate to get back into good graces. Successful con artists often have an uncanny ability to discern soft spots like this and offer the perfect solution to them marks problems. Social Psychologist Marie Cocco Ver said of con artists. They can read our background. Beliefs are emotions. Even the desires. We thought we'd hidden so well in this case row on had done half of the Work Zhen. She already knew what row unwanted. With the Queen. That clip from CON Artists Gender, Lamont employed the help of Ray to develop a master forger. Blida forged letters from the Queen, asking Prince Louis wwl on to by the necklace on her behalf. Louis desperate to get back into the queen's good graces obliged. Jen was able to get her hands on the necklace and the enormous fortune. It would bring. By the time row unrealized, the letters from the queen were fake. Jewels were long gone. When looking for an accomplice, money can be an easy motivator. Much like Jenn recruited her husband with a promise of riches, so did our next criminal, but his scheme was much more dangerous than impersonating royalty. John Wada wits needed help to rob a bank. Coming up. We'll discuss John wates bank shop? That was so daring. It inspired a Hollywood classic. 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Zindi Lamont gathered accomplices to help her score a huge payday and our next criminal John Wata wits was no different. But he wasn't in it. Purely for the financial gain, he was in it for love. John's wife was experiencing gender for you and wanted gender confirmation surgery, but John did not have the money to pay for such an expensive procedure. His wife was so distraught by the prospect of living the rest of her life as biologically male that she attempted suicide. John felt that the only way to save her life was to come up with the money for surgery. He was going to rob a bank for her, but he couldn't do it alone. John went to a neighborhood bar all Jimmy's to try to come up with a plan. He figured his best chance was to storm the hospital. Grab Liz then flee to Denmark where they could hide out and find a doctor willing to do the surgery, but again there was the problem of money, and not just for the surgery, but now also for the flights, and to fund their life on the run, but even with a gun storming the hospital wasn't a one man job John. Needed help while he sat contemplating this. Eighteen year old sal nat rollie walked into all Jimmy's John, immediately waived him over sal had a reputation in Greenwich as a tough guy. Who knew his way around the system? He'd been in and out of jails and boys home since he was eleven for everything from truancy to pickpocketing to parole violations. Sal was allegedly fugitive on the run from the New Jersey Police for felony theft. Apparently, he hid in a department store until after closing once everyone had cleared out, he forged a receipt for a cash purchase of two television sets. Then he returned to his hiding spot overnight the next morning. When the store filled up with customers sal reemerged, he picked up two TV's off the display, one under each arm and headed for the exit when the security guard stopped him, sal flash the fords receipt and went on his way, and he went straight to the pawnshop he. He got away with the scam for a few weeks, but eventually the store manager discovered the thefts when he tallied the inventory, the next time sal came in the security guard, recognized him and called the cops, but while they were carting them off to the police station. Sal Managed to slip away the last time he'd gone to jail. Sal was brutally sexually assaulted. He was never going back. No matter what, so he fled, New Jersey and found a place to live under the radar. The bustling gay community, of Greenwich Village John Thought. He would make the perfect accomplice. That clip from hostage John Water. wits met SAL Nadarajah in a bar to try to come up with a way to get a large amount of money for Liz gender reassignment surgery, also in the bar that night was twenty year old Bobby Westberg. who also needed a large sum of cash to pay for lung surgery. Western Burg abandoned the plan on the day of the bank robbery as he got cold feet, John and sal went through with the plan and ended up holding seven bank employees hostage for fourteen hours sal was killed by the FBI and John went to prison for five years both Lamont John Wada wits were attracted to their accomplices for their criminal experience. But why would someone with no criminal record join a killer? Final clip comes from serial killers. It covers the killer couple Doug. Clark and Carol Bundy. By the time, Clark met Caroline One, thousand, nine, hundred eighty. She had already experienced a mountain of trump. Carol grew up with abusive alcoholic parents and barely escaped three abusive marriages at first. Carol felt that Clark was different from her previous relationships, but soon he tested your boundaries. revealed a carol, his distant sexual fantasies, and eventually she joined his plans. Carol didn't just abuse her own sons. She also helped Clark. Manipulate and abuse an eleven year old neighbor named Theresa who lived in Carol's apartment complex in the spring of Nineteen Eighty Carol, befriended Theresa, and brought her over to play with her sons. Theresa's Guardians Frequently. Let Carol Babysit the young girl the had no idea that Carol was helping Clark, groom the Child One day in the spring of nineteen eighty. Carol Lured Theresa Inter Bathroom, so that Clark could sexually abuse her carols. Willingness to abuse Theresa may have been connected to Carroll's own childhood sexual abuse. It's important to note that most child sexual abuse victims go on to live normal productive lives. But a two thousand twelve study by the Australian Institute of Criminology found that victims of child sexual abuse were five times more likely to commit a crime than the general population forensic psychologist Margaret Cutty are suggests that this study shows how important, early and consistent intervention is per child, sexual abuse victims. She suggests psychologists should be quote, not just focusing on the trauma of the sexual abuse, but also teaching them about positive sexuality, just in terms of developing the healthier ideas of what a sexual relationship is and respect and quote as you may recall Carol Bundy's partner Richard Guys felt carol needed psychological help to deal with her father's sexual abuse. By the spring of nineteen eighty, she was now helping Clark, groom and Sexually Abuse eleven-year-old Teresa. Clark Theresa for weeks in the spring of nineteen eighty before drugging and attempting to rape her. Fortunately, she screamed loud enough for the neighbors to hear and managed to get away from Clark Somehow Caroline Clarke kept Teresa from telling anyone about the sexual abuse and attempted rape. This left Clark free to fulfil his next fantasy fantasy. He didn't want to just rape young girls. His horrific dream was to murder a girl in the process of raping her, so he could feel her die. Clark confided his fantasies to Carol when she eagerly embraced his twisted worldview. He knew that he had found the perfect accomplice. That clip from serial killers, Doug Clark confessed to Carol Bundy that he fantasized about killing girls and wanted to make it a reality Clark eventually killed six women and Carol Bundy killed. Her Ex Boyfriend Jack Murray after she confessed Clark's crimes to him. Two days after Jackson. Murder Carol confessed to the police and she and Clark were arrested Caroline sister that she had acted as Clark's accomplice because she was too afraid to do anything in opposition to him when Clark went on trial Dr, Lori e keys testified that the pair had a shared paranoia. This disorder, the manifestation of a delusional idea that a dominant person passes onto a second more vulnerable person. This is the same dynamic that we discussed earlier in the episode. Doug Clark was found guilty and sentenced to death. Carol was sentenced to life in prison. She died in two thousand three at the age of sixty one. While the criminals in our clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to recruit a willing accomplice. Both agenda Lamont and John. Wada wits were able to tempt their co-conspirators with the promise of money. Jin's husband was desperate to hold onto the illusion of wealth. Bobby Weston Berg needed money to pay for his own life saving surgery. We also saw these manipulators chose their accomplices carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Hickey. Doug Clark identified that Carol Bundy was vulnerable to manipulation because of her past abuse history. In the end, their accomplices were all drawn into these crimes and shouldered just as much guilt. Thanks for tuning into podcast client bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on. Campuses. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Post Traumatic Stress What happens to pick them after they've lived through a crime. If, you'd like to listen to the episodes. We discussed today in full. Simply search for our podcast original shows, con-artists, hostage, or serial killers on spotify, not only defy already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast rituals for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker I'll see you next time. Listeners don't forget to check out. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1521: Managers (Used to) Do the Darndest Things
"Seeing Oh man oh hello and welcome to episode fifteen twenty one of effectively wild baseball podcast from van graphs presented by our fan supporters of the ringer joined by saying Miller of espn amp and we are joined by our partner make rally graphs. Hello MIC. You are joining us for the beginning of today's episode for a little. Psa which will not be surprised to anyone who has read fan graphs today or follow us on twitter and seeing the plea that Fan Gress put out but turns out pandemic not great for business. It is not great for business. Turns out when there's no baseball and now you know. Return dates on the horizon that people decide to watch tiger king. So can you just start talking about Tiger considered? Then I'm not GonNa lie to you. There might be some tiger king content coming fan press audio in the near future to do whatever we have to do. But yeah the drop off that we've seen in traffic since the announcement that opening day would be. Postponed has been pretty dramatic and like a lot of sports media. Companies we depend on site traffic to generate revenue and so the decline in revenue and in projected revenue has been correspondingly severe. And we've taken some steps and trolley to try to SORTA staunch the bleeding. We were very sad to essentially let go of most of our contributing writers and temporarily shut her the Hardball Times. All of the fulltime staff who are remaining have taken a pay cut. But now we're asking for our readers to help us out the best way to support graphs in addition to reading the site every day. Which for the people who have responded to this with their own economic troubles we know this is a really hard time for people and a bad time to be asking for help. We're eating the site. Does make a difference right being there every day to read our work and participate in chats. And listen to podcasts. The different so specially if you turn off your adblocker especially if you turn off your adblocker so if you're grappling with the fallout from this horrible panic yourself and aren't in a position to become a member. We totally get that. We hope you and your family are safe and healthy and appreciate you coming to the site every day and letting US distract you even temporarily from the troubles but for those folks who are in a position where they can help site. We would really appreciate you guys considering a fan graphs membership. Whether it's monthly or the AD free membership it makes a really big difference it just gives us buffer and breathing room until baseball comes back because we want to be here for you when the site is coming live with opening day which we hope will be sometime this summer. When it's safe to do so in order to do that there needs to be a fan graph so rescue for your help. What help you can give. We've had an incredible response to this. So far. A number of people who are already members have asked us how they can help further which is kind question. We're going to have a good answer for that later on this week there's Merchan- The merge store we're GONNA figure out when we're GONNA have sizing back for that. So if that was one of your questions will have an update on that soon but yet just if you're able to buy membership we'd ask that you please do so and the. Nice thing about the AD. Free membership is the site really does home in a nice way. When there aren't ads on it adds or a necessary evil for our business model but if you a frequent user of the board if you are really into the leaderboards AD. Free really does improve. Loading Times and site responsiveness. So there is an improvement in your experience that comes with helping us out so we hope you guys will consider that all the folks already run smoothly on mobile because it was just recently redesigned. It just comes right along. Yeah David and I both spoke with your colleague Bryan Curtis last week for a piece heated for the ring are on the fact that cove nineteen is having on sports writing now and unfortunately might have it in the future and I said Brian. Frustration is of course relative in this time. And we don't mean to put this on par with the very real struggles that people are having right now but one of the frustrating things about this is that you know we think we have a a really great site and we have a site that was sort of ready to launch into opening day with new player pages a bunch of new functionality. Coming down the road and a writing core that we're really proud of and tools that we think are genuinely useful to folks and then there was a global pandemic. What do you do so yeah so we have to try to Bob? Even whether this the best we can and asking for people's help to do that. Yeah I would just note that Something that's been a really powerful thing for me to think about over the last ten years or so is the idea that every dollar you spend is a vote for something that the most power that you have in a way in the world is that you get to vote like many times everyday for the world that you want to be available to you and other people and unlike maybe the way that we vote on Tuesday November where. We think our vote really matter. I think it's it's undoubtedly the case that what you spend money on really does have an influence on what is available to you and other people and this is you know. Obviously this is a really hard time to ask for money partly because there's so many places that money needs to go and partly because I think everybody whether their job has currently been influenced or not as nervous about what's going to happen to them in their own job in the next year or so but you know the. I think what I hear in this request is just a request that people kind of be thoughtful about where they wanna spend their money right now and whether a dollar they spend is doing something useful in meaningful and promoting something that they want to have in their life right now. Yeah and just in my own experience. I've never worked directly for FAN GRASP. But I've been sort of fan graphs adjacent for a long time and David Apple men just always treats his in place very well and treats readers very well and makes things available for free. That elsewhere might not be available for free and if he is asking for help then you know that he needs and the site needs it because he's not someone who at least in my experience tries to extract every penny for from this business he treats people well and so it'd be nice if people would rally together and help support the site now and I will say that I very much appreciated that. In his announcement. Post about this there was the graph. Like which was very on Brent. Yeah we can. We can only ever be ourselves and as a person who's gotten to work for a couple of years. Now I can confirm your fat grafts adjacent suspicion. He's a great person to work for and he tries to treat people well whether it's people work for him or our community and I've been very hurt and seve the response from the community so far you folks really mazing you keep fantast running. And I'm a little Clemson at the response so far so we really really appreciate it and hope that we can continue the momentum until we have an opening day in all get to rally around enjoying baseball again instead of something. Kinda grim like this and I will say that. Thanks in part efforts. The site is still really good. So it's not like Magazine asking you to support the site because one day it will be good again. It stole good right now if you go in go to aggress DOT COM. There's still stuff that you will wanna reader at least their stuff that I wanna read. Not just the veterans that everyone knows that the JJ fees and the dense abort skis who've been doing this for years and David Flora etc but guys like crooked Edwards and Ben Clements who are great and I learned something from them every time I read them and I'm confident that they would still be entertaining me and teaching me things if there were no baseball for a year which hopefully will not happen but just saying it's good and it is sort of striking to me just how quickly traffic patterns and consumption has changed during this pandemic not just that fan graphs and with sports baseball specific sites but just kind of across the board like when it comes to podcast audiences. I haven't actually checked to see how our download our doing 'cause. I don't know that there's anything we could do about it anyway. If they're down but from what I've read it's kind of across the board. People are listening less in reading less and streaming more and playing video games more and. I've done those things too. But it's odd because you know that traffic is always at its highest when people are at work which is kind of paradoxical that's when people are busy and wouldn't be able to read articles about baseball or listen to podcasts. But that is when people do those things to distract themselves from the drudgery of their work and so to see this happen so quickly and we're just You know baseball would have started last week. So we're not even a week into the baseball list. Time and yet things have changed really quickly and it turns out that when people are at home and granted a lot of people are taking care of kids and trying to find work and they may not actually have more free time but a lot of people do because they're not commuting and maybe they're doing less work and you'd think that they'd be looking for ways to distract themselves and yet it's not exactly how it works. At least. The the distractions are entertainments. That they choose are not the same as they would be under normal circumstances so it is strange and sort of disturbing so everyone go please support fan graphs and thanks to everyone who has done so so far there. Couple Nice threads in our facebook group with people exhorting each other to defend graphs and even some of our patriots supporters who are already sort of indirectly contributing to fan crafts of email to ask how they can do or an up their contribution. So that part at least is very heartening. Yeah we really. We really appreciate it. I can't finally find myself in a position where I don't have you guys. Y'All have done it. You folks have done it so we really appreciate it. Thank you so much all right. Thanks Mike Talk to you later. This week. Sounds good all right so we continue. What shall we discuss? Well I've been working on a project that involves going back in reliving or or or revisiting re studying re familiarizing myself with old world series Old being relative. I've been looking at the nineteen eighties world series in the last couple of days and that has involved reading a lot of games stories of nineteen eighties World Series Games. And when we do our own postseason podcasts or writing. We've both have commented in the past. About what a huge percentage of the conversation tends to focus on like one or two managerial moves. The managerial moves really provide like half the conversation after a after a close postseason game and I forget. What do you remember your your explanation for for why that is why we're so into a single pitching move in the sixth inning of a game that involved? You know like ninety ish played appearances. Yeah I mean. I think that that's generally true that we focus on managerial moves even during the regular season to a greater extent than they actually have an impact on the game because managerial moves are just voluntary and premeditated. So you're saying I've thought about it and I've considered all the context and this is what I think the best move to make right now would be so. If there's a an obviously sub optimal move then you can really let loose and blame the manager. Because he had time to think about this. This was his whole job. It's just an unforced error whereas with a player. You're trying to do something that requires incredible coordination. Someone is trying to actively prevent you from doing the thing that you want to do and so players can make mental mistakes too. Obviously but there's maybe more pressure on them they're trying to do this complex physical action at the same time that they're trying to make a decision and so if they let a ball go into their glove or something obviously that has led to sometimes lifelong condemnation to. But if you just make a mistake as a player I think people will let it slide or at least not blame you as a person necessarily because you know you were trying your best rate and everyone screws up sometimes whereas with a manager. I think we all can put ourselves in the place of the guy whose whole job is to sit there on the bench and make a decision and everyone is managing along at home. And saying. Here's the reliever I would put in right now. I would pinch hit for this guy right now and so if the guy whose whole job is doesn't do that thing and you're sitting there shouting at the TV to do that thing. Then of course you're going to be quick to condemn that person. Maybe not taking into account as much as you should that a the decisions. Don't matter all that much usually you can make the right decision. It can backfire. You can make the wrong decision and it can work out so the average managerial move even an important one really doesn't swing your win expectancy by all that much plus it's harder to manage in real time when the game is going on in your considering all sorts of factors that the fan at home is not and then there's also maybe some inside Info you might not have access to about so and so not feeling well or not having command of his curveball or having a nagging injury or whatever so we probably give managers a harder time than we should. But you know. That's why we focus on like lineup decisions. And why would you bet that guy? V that guy third and ultimately it has almost no impact. But it's just easy to criticize. Yeah that's all that all sounds exactly right and and you're right. You jogged my memory. One of the reasons that we talked about why we make such a big deal about it. As as though were surprised that we're making such a big deal about it is that we generally don't do that for a game in. May It really wants. The postseason starts that we we shift and instead of thinking. Oh well a manager's job is mostly to rally is team and get them through the grind and manage a complex clubhouse and all these things and so the relatively small decisions about who to pinch hit in the seventh inning of a game in May might take a back seat to what he needs to do to motivate his players and keep them together and manage resources and all that well when you get to game six of a series maybe the importance of these things has flipped and you assume that the players are all motivated but you really do need to make the most of every of every opportunity I think also generally speaking postseason games tend to be a little lower scoring lower scoring tends to be closer closer tends to be more likely to be affected by a single move that you make anyway. The point is that we make huge deal over strategic decisions in the postseason for various reasons. And so while I've been looking through these old world series. It has been interesting for me to see that well. Surprisingly the conversations about those games the next day was also frequently about managerial moves and a little bit well I guess also unsurprisingly the situations that managers were being second guessed over. We're very different than they would be now. The game was different. And maybe while I'm unsurprised not surprised that they are different. I have been in some cases surprised. By what specifically they were and I just thought it would be fun to talk about what managers were getting second guessed for in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and what what sorts of challenging decisions they had because a lot of cases they didn't have to make challenging some of the challenging decisions pitchers are the managers today have to because there is not an expectation that they are going to do XYZ whereas today we have an expectation that they will do or at least consider X Y and Z on the other hand. Back then alternate X Y and Z. Were on the table and they were expected to consider those things whereas manager today. Rarely has to consider those things and so I'm going to go over. What managers in the world series from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty seven? Were dealing with. Okay all right. That's prehistory it is. Yeah although I'm a I'm on I'm on nineteen eighty eight right now. So I'm in the common era so we're going to start with one thousand nine hundred eighty. This was a world series between the phillies and the royals and one of my favorite there were two big things going on in the series That I want to point out. Well I guess neither one is all that big? I guess that's sort of the point of what we were just talking about. These things don't they aren't they. Don't seem that big except in the moment. They seem very big so in game three in the tenth inning. Dan Cuisine Berry gives up a single to baboon to lead off the inning. And then there's a sacrifice you knew that sacrifice was coming. It's nineteen eighty so they sacrifice him over to second and then Dan Cuisine Berry who it was. I I you know you need to understand that I mean you know. Dan Cuisine Berry was very good for some period of time. You need to understand that. This is part of the period of time. When he was very good he finished eighth. An MVP voting that year fifth and CY young voting. He was a already a superstar closer and he intentionally walks. Pete Rose K. to face Mike Schmidt. He intentionally walked. Pete rose to face Mike Schmidt who that year would win the MVP award. Twitter would not like that move today. No so there's two things going on here one is that they intentionally walked a guy to face the m. v. p. the NBA The league. Mike Schmidt Forty eight homers that year he led the League in homers and RBI'S. He was a four time homerun champ and arguably the best player in baseball at the time and arguably the best hitter in baseball at the time intentionally walked him. The other thing that's going on there though. That is interesting that I didn't realize it was this. Common was closers used to intentionally walk a ton of guys and so in just in this game you had risen very intentionally walking. Pete Rose and you also the next inning had tug. Mcgraw Intentionally Walking George Brett which makes it a little bit more sense because tug McGraw George Brett was also the MVP but intentionally walking George Brett and then the inning before you had Dan Cuisine Berry intentionally walking. Gary Mathematics and I tend to not think of closers as being expected to intentionally walk many batters so I did a query to see how common was to have closers who saved at least twenty games and then intentionally walked ten and I don't I think that the last one was like two thousand one or something like that whereas it used to be extremely common. Almost every closer would have double digit intentionally walks and I'm not sure if it was just. A function of managers generally intentionally walking a lot more and so all intentional walks stats are going to be affected by that. Or if it's that closers kind of path they may be paradoxically they were overvalued in some way but also there was. There was an appreciation that they were not shut down. They were not as you know that they were not actually as good as the best starters and so they had them intentionally walk a lot of batters in order to prevent them from getting hit hard so there were twenty twenty saves and ten intentionally walks. There were five of those in nineteen eighty three five in nineteen eighty two five in one thousand nine hundred eighty four nine hundred eighty six so four or five pitchers a year would have and. That's with fewer twenty save pitchers time whereas in the last decade. There was only one of those Brandon Lyon for the diamondbacks had one and in the decade. Before that two thousand there was also only one. Bobby Jenks so the idea of having your closer intentionally walked. Batters has become much less common than it used to be and so anyway they intentionally walked. Pete rose to face Mike Schmidt and they kinda got Lucky Mike Schmidt lined out into a double play and they ended up winning that game. All right so I don't know what the equivalent would be. I guess the equivalent would be. I mean you know. It's not like Pete. Rose is is nothing either Pete. Rose a single probably wins the game. And so maybe you're thinking well he's a higher batting average guy. Although I'm looking. Pete rose hit two eighty two that year and Mike Schmidt hit two eighty six. Of course you get the platoon advantage. Because Pete Rose was a switch hitter I was thinking maybe the equivalent would be if you intentionally walked out to face Bregman. Although then you don't have the tune advantage thing going on. Maybe maybe if you had a righty and you intentionally walked. Otani to face Mike Trout. Anyway it would be crazy. Yeah Yeah and that's another thing I've written about specifically talking about managers. Getting criticize in the postseason is that it's gotten a little harder to do that with the same level of confidence that we used to do it with because now teams know things that we don't know and were kind of conscious of that and so back then in the eighties manager intentionally. Walked someone to bring someone else up. You can be pretty confident or at least now. We could be pretty confident that they didn't have any really special advanced info that would lead them to think that one matchup was more advantageous than another. You know if anything they were probably looking at some tiny small sample better versus pitcher stats or at that point. They may not even have had that on command. They may have just been going off intuition. Gut feel or or memory but nowadays there's all sorts of analysis where teams will look at. How does this hitter perform against? Not just this particular pitcher but against a cohort of pitchers like this picture. You know pitchers who throw that hard or have a similar release single or have the same mix of breaking pitches. Let's say comparable similar pitchers determined using advanced data? And that can actually be pretty predictive. So there aren't that many times when it would show you something really incredibly revealing where you'd say this great hitter actually is no good against this guy but there are certain times when a team might know something. Managers have access to that stuff on their ipads or on a little cheat sheet or whatever that gives them projections for each matchup each hitter versus each pitcher and so it's a little hard to with the degree of confidence. And maybe we always were too confident about the sort of thing but now it's kind of tough to say with absolute certainty. That was the right move or the wrong move. So it's taken a little of the fun out of it. Although the type of people who may be are most vocal about criticizing managers or maybe not the most concerned about whether they're actually right to criticize them or not. It's just kind of taking out your frustration and you know asserting your own superiority. So that sort of thing. I guess is still viable today. The other thing that happened in that series by the way was also involved Schmidt. And not for some reason recognizing that by the way I think a good comp would be if if a lefty reliever intentionally walked Justin Turner to face cody bellinger last year. I think the variables holed up in that analogy all right so in a later game tie game and or maybe they were up by one. The royals were pitching up by one. I think and Mike Schmidt came up again and he got an infield hit off the glove of George Brett and the reason that everybody including George Brett acknowledges that Schmidt got hit is Brett was playing on up on the grass expecting Schmidt to bunt Mike Smith at forty eight homerun MVP. They were expecting him to but now in their Defense Mike Schmidt had bunted for a hit earlier in that series and liked to bunt apparently at that period in his life. He liked to bump for hits. So you sometimes and to and so George. Brett didn't always play up on him but in that moment he became convinced that this was a moment that Schmidt might bunt and so he played way up Schmidt later said he had no intention whatsoever. Hit One to George Brett's left. Brett got a glove on it with a dive but couldn't handle it and that led to a big ninth-inning rally as a lead turned into a deficit and game turned all right the next one nineteen eighty one. The big one here. We might have talked about this one. This one felt sort of familiar to me but we might not have. It might have been just a different start. That was similar and involved the same pitcher so game. Three Fernando Valenzuela Rookie Fernando Valenzuela twenty year old rookie Fernando Valenzuela is pitching. And he's you know it's not as best start but he gives up a couple runs early and then he gives up. He actually gives up four runs in the first three innings. But they leave him in there and he settles down and gets an a pretty good little groove but he's he's wild as as maybe he sometimes was and ends up throwing one hundred and forty seven pitches in a complete game as a twenty year old rookie. That's not even what I'm talking about here. Though what's amazing to me is that he was allowed to finish this game. Pitch Count aside the situations where he was allowed as a rookie with a high pitch. Count to stay in this game. So he's leading five four so this is not like his. He's not throwing a shutout. He's not dominating he's just a pitcher having an you know a good pitcher having a a slightly off day so up by one by the way. This is game three. So they're down two games to none. They lose this game. They're done. This is a must win. One hundred percent must-win game up by one eighth inning. Fernando Valenzuela gives up a leadoff single goodness. You Might WanNa pull them there. The tying run is on BASS K. Top of the order in fact is looming. I think we're at the we're at as that was the number seven hitter. So you've got the number eight hitter coming up and then you've got a pinch hitter. And then you've got the top of the Yankees order coming up right so they leave him out. There gives up another single okay. So now there's two on and nobody out in the eighth inning of a one run must win game and they leave him out and Bobby Mercer. Pinch Hits Bobby. Mercer Buds into a double play and Balanced Waleed gets out of it all right. Every team was actively trying to lose at all times. So then the bottom of the eighth leadoff hit Fernando. Valenzuela comes up. He's only by one run at this point. And he's thrown one hundred and forty pitches and he's walked seven batters and they let him hit for himself and he grounds into a fielder's choice has to run the bases. They let him run the vases. He doesn't get anywhere they don't score sent him out on the bottom of the ninth where it's the two three four hitter in the Yankees lineup. All right handed and they send out the lefty Fernando Valenzuela to face those guys and he he does it. He finished the complete game. He wins the game. I mean it's it is incredible so this is not. He never faced the go ahead. Run in the ninth. But he faced close to the go ahead. Run in the ninth and This just so happens to be a query that apostle areas that had been doing it baseball perspectives and so He shared with me the spreadsheet. And so if you look at starts where a PITCHER FACES. The winning run in the ninth inning. Those still occasionally happened. There were six of them last year including our old friend. Noah. Syndergaard Noah syndergaard's true win also Madison Bumgarner. That's why I started to say Noah Syndergaard Ner I was looking at a spreadsheet where those names right next to each other so there were six last year in the year that Fernando Valenzuela had this out well that was a strike shortened year in. So it's going to be low but all the same in the strike shortened year there were one hundred and fourteen the year before that there were two hundred and thirty one starts when the starting pitcher faced the go ahead. Run in the ninth inning which it's almost impossible to to think of a situation where the starting pitcher would face the go ahead. Run in the ninth inning. At this point you basically have to have an ace level pitcher and in fact The six pitchers did it this year. Darvish Ver- lander Bumgarner Bueller syndergaard. And then Marco Gonzalez and probably you need to have a tie game because if you have a lead and the pitcher allows a runner on then you you imagine the managers are GonNa come out and get him but a tie game. Maybe if he has a low pitch count then you'll leave him out there and he's probably only going to get one batter maybe where he gets a chance to face that better so like you. Darvish was one of these six and I was looking at the start that you darvish had this year where he did it and it really was like. I couldn't believe that Darvish had been allowed to do it. He came out in his last. Start of the year. For the ninth inning. It was a two one lead that he had he gave up a leadoff. Triple and I was sort of shocked looking at this box. Where that he was allowed to stay in then he gives a sacked fly a single stolen base a double and now the lead is gone. You think wow. That's like a box score of nineteen eighty five and in fact it is that was common in one thousand nine hundred you just left Fernando Valenzuela out there and again. This goes back to what I was saying about the other thing you. It's weird because the closers. The the ace closer was such a part of strategy at that point like the ace. Closer was fairly new. They were high paid. Every team wanted one. They were used very aggressively the same time. Though the ace closer was sort of seen as not as good as the starter. And so Tommy LASORDA. After this game says Fernando Valenzuela is my best closer and so he just left him out there he had a closer but rather go with Valenzuela. One hundred and fifty. Yeah I mean I guess in fairness to the dodgers Valenzuela in eighty one was rookie of the year. Cy Young winner absolute phenomenon drawing huge crowds wherever he went especially at home. So if you were gonNA leave someone in that would be the Guy. I guess despite his age. So there's that and not where he threw eight shutouts that year yes Reich shorten year eight complete game shutouts in a structure on your which is not that they were looking at through the order splits at that point but he was better his third time through the order that year that he was his first time to the order he allowed a three eighty seven up yes his fourth time through the order and later that year so when they did decide to let him go long he really rewarded them for that decision so you can see why that happened. Even though it shouldn't have happened I mean just for safety's sake but also probably for trying to win the game sake. Yup and it worked. They won that game And they were shirts in fairness to to those dodgers. We were having the same complaint about teams and managers up until what three years or so something like that. I mean within the lifetime of the show. We were regularly criticizing managers for leaving starters in too long in the playoffs and not observing the time through the order effect and not flipping the switch when it went from the regular season to the postseason continuing to manage with the same level of urgency or lack of urgency. And so it's really only recently that some of these mistakes at least have actually been corrected. Yeah with the Valenzuela's start what really strikes me is just that how many base runners he was allowing the whole time. You would not have. I don't think you would have watched it. And thought he is the best pitcher in the world and work gonNA stick with him because no one's touching him he. He allowed sixteen baserunners in that game. He walked seven. That's a lot of walks. All right nine thousand eighty two brewers and cardinals and the this. I'm I'm sort of speculating. Here all right. So rollie fingers was the ace closer that year for the for the brewers and in the eighth inning with the score tied cardinals loaded the bases with one out and did not bring in Raleigh fingers now so harvey keen after the Game Said. Yes rollie was well enough to pitch and no. I didn't consider using him. I've used rollie fingers when we're ahead not entice situations so rollie fingers. I'm freezing on this for one reason. I don't think rollie fingers was actually well enough. To Pitch. Raleigh had been injured. He had not been pitching in the postseason. He would not go onto pitch at all in the postseason even later save situations and he would not pitch at all the next year he would have surgery and so. I think that Harvey was lying about why he didn't use Rollie Fingers I. I don't think he wanted to give away. That fingers was unavailable and so he kept it a secret and he made up this story about only using him in with the lead in save situations and rap not using him in a tie and I. I have not looked deeply into this but I'm here going to speculate wildly that this is the origin of not using your closer tie. Game is the Harvey Keane made. That made it up right then and there as a fake logic and other managers latched onto it and we can't use our closer and a tie game and they never did again and it was all because of a lie that Harvey King was selling anyway. He did not use rollie fingers that day or any other day. The other interesting thing that happened in this game in this series was game six. The cardinals won a blowout. They won something like thirteen to one and they're starting. Pitcher was a rookie at that point named John Stupor and John Stupor. Threw a complete game in that thirteen to one game which is not that notable except for one thing. The game was twice delayed by rain for a total of nearly three hours and so Jon Stupor rookie through a five and a half hour complete game of a just kept putting a Mac out there. How many pitches you think. He'd through in the bullpen. Oh man did you see if like there was criticism of this now now it was like it was not not not at all wasn't even mentioned. It makes me wonder like what we are criticising. Failing to criticize now that thirty years in the future will look back and think boy where we dumb not to notice that at the time I would guess that whatever mistakes are being made now are not nearly as a courageous or as actively unsafe as the ones they were making that. I'd like to think that we've gotten a little bit smarter but still do kind of wonder whether we not looking at right. Now that future podcasts hosts or a sudden episode ten thousand or whatever will look back in Ruth those mistakes he I was wondering that too and I I don't know You know it will be interesting to know how the future regards us in. I'm perfectly happy if this is what they end up second guessing thirty years. Now that I'm perfectly happy to be second guessed but I feel like what it will probably be and I don't have specifics in mind but that there are strategies that are not currently in use because there is deference to player ego and player wishes and players claims of needing to be comfortable and needing to be like sort of there. Are Things where players would say. That strategy would unnerve them or not take into account their lived experiences as players and so we accept that those strategies are not going to be used as aggressively. And I'm happy. I think that's good. I like I think that the state that we're in right now the balance between listening to players when they tell us what they need to be comfortable and safe and what. The technically optimal strategy is is pretty good right now and I would not surprise me. If in thirty years our descendants are criticizing and laughing at us for not being more ruthless in our strategy. If that makes sense that there will be a lot more. Maybe that there will be more embarrassing of players. In the future that it will not be that a player's pride will not be considered part of the of the decision making process. That's kind of what I think. That's what I think. I didn't thirty years that they're going to all be monsters and they're going to laugh at the notion that pride has any role to consider in the calculus. That's yeah that's me that's me. I'm sure a lot of old school baseball people would think we're we've already reached that point. But yeah maybe there's more to go. Speaking of players pride. So nineteen eighty-three is the phillies and the Orioles and in game three the Phillies benched. They're number two hitter their first baseman and number two hitter. You know he must be good because he bats the top the lineup and he's a first baseman and he's Pete rose he's the hit. King Pete Rose and so they bench him because he'd been slumping and Pete Rose. Got Very Mad. This was a big controversy for twenty four hours because Pete Rose did not take it silently. He said I'm hurt and embarrassed. Rose said looking both hurt and embarrassed. There are sixty five thousand people in the stadium tonight and the two most surprised and astounded people. Are Pete Rose and Tony Perez? Who took his spot in line of and I don't think that's the way baseball should even be played. He was hurt even more later. When Owens sentiment to pinch hit in the ninth inning? He grounded out now. The next day he played this happens every once in a while. There was the a rod situation where the Yankees benched tyrod for. Labontes years ago. And it's shocking. You know like when your target shocked in the postseason Pete rose. Yeah that one. And maybe you're about to say this I have to say okay. Well I was GONNA say that one was shocking. Not just because of the ego that was offended but also because it just seemed like an overreaction a small simple sort of mistake at the time okay so I'm GonNa say the opposite here Okay I was shocking because of the ego as for the small sample Pete Rose that year. Pete rose that year hit two forty five three sixteen to eighty six. Yeah he's slugged to eighty six as a first baseman his opie plus was only slightly slightly higher than sixty eight. You're not going to say it. So he he got benched but I mean wow it really is kind of wild to just look at the end of Pete Rose's career and how much he was playing on good teams even in the middle of the lineup at a power position while putting up basically sub replacement office not coincidentally. He was managing teams. Yeah they're not the phillies that year. Ya later eighty four. Yeah Pete Rose who got benched for game three but only game three. They did bring him back because he was too valuable. Had Negative two point one war actor all right so that's nine hundred eighty-three Pete rose. There is also a great moment in that series where the orioles managed to pinch hit four batters in a row. Which is I? Think mathematically impossible in the modern game although maybe not. Maybe it won't be this year so that was probably pretty fun and it worked. They scored a bunch of runs that inning pinch hitters did their job and all right so yeah four pinch hitters in a row. Let's go to nineteen eighty-four this one. I guess is kind of repeating about closers intentionally walking batters but this is really an amazing moment in a postseason game where the Tigers were playing the padres. They were up by one in the eighth inning. Trying to clinch stadium as raucous going crazy through a sequence that tigers end up with runners on second and third with one. Out AND GOOSE. Gossage is on the mound. Kirk Gibson is coming to the plate and Kirk Gibson was an. Mvp candidate at the time left handed batter against the right hand. Gossage the on decade or was Lance Parrish. Right handed batter not nearly as good as Gibson and so the padres manager signals for an intentional walk. Which in this case again we have a closer intentionally whining but I think this makes a lot more sense and goose. Gossage gets the gets the news any says. Nah I don't want and so he actually calls manager Dick Williams out from the dugout. Dick Williams comes out to the mound. They talk they debate. They argue and reason and Dick Williams says okay go ahead and pitch to him so the pitcher actually talked to manager out of the intentional walk and on the Second Pitch Gibson homered and gossage never quite lived it down and so I don't really even know what the strategy I guess the strategy there is That we're talking about or the manager decision. There is kind of the Matt Harvey in the Two Thousand. Fifteen world series thing right where the manager had a plan and the player who is born and bred to be extremely confident extremely aggressive to believe that he can get anybody out at any time to never backed down from a challenge to never decline. A challenge was allowed to talk the manager out of that strategy and and just like with Matt Harvey and the Two Thousand Fifteen world series It totally backfired in gossage the home run and said I feel responsible for the game. Yeah if you're a manager would you ever even ask how you feeling or what are you WanNa do? Well I mean look. There's two questions there one is if you were the manager. Would you ever incorporate that data into your decision making another would you? Would you ever ask and make the person feel heard and I would? I think that I would definitely would let the player feel heard in whatever way you need to do that in a situation like that. Yeah I man I mean. What'S THE QUESTION. The question is there's again there's different questions here. One question is what do you think? What do you want to do? What do you think we should do? And in that sense. Maybe you could say you're the manager. You're the one who's supposed to decide what you're what you should do. What what this what the strategy should be but you also do. WanNa know in some cases how the player feels and so the question is. Can you get an honest answer from the player? Will the player tell you? Honestly whether he's he's able to go out there and that's tough. Yeah it'd be very valuable information if you actually do how the player was feeling but you just can't ever be sure maybe if you know the guy really well and you've been managing him for a while and you can actually tell when he's being honest or maybe he would be open and honest about it. Seems like that would be a minority of pitchers who would actually own up to being tired at that point. And then you get weird situations like the richhill Dave Roberts episode where richhill seemed to suggest that he was feeling a little fatigued and that Roberts could pull him if he got any trouble but then there was miscommunication about whether he actually wanted to be pulled and that just worked out poorly for the dodgers. But if you could use some of the data that's available now like with Hawkeye where you can actually see the arm angle of the pitcher or maybe analyzes mechanics in real time and his stuff and see if it's dropping off at all and I don't know whether someone in the dugout would have access to that information because at least for now you're not supposed to communicate with the analysts who would be looking at that but if you could look at that that would be very valuable information to have. It's just a question of whether you're actually going to get a straight answer from the player and most of the time you're probably not. This is unrelated. I'm not GonNa talk about this much. But in one thousand nine hundred six game six of the nine hundred eighty six world series Roger. Clemens was pitching that game and he pitched through seven innings and then they pinch hit for them in the top of the eighth and I was reading an article from much later where Roger. Clemens claims that he didn't want to get pinched for and was wanted to stay in and the manager of the Red Sox that year who believe with John McNamara said that clemens quote begged out of the game and so. That's an odd situation to where you have. I mean way if you're just going to ask so that you can throw him under the bus. Yes that's probably not the best way to do it. But on the other hand if clemens is throwing you under the bus all right nine hundred eighty five. Let's see what do I have for nine hundred eighty five? This was the royals and the cardinals. Oh my goodness this one's nuts. The royals were leading to nothing. Going to the ninth inning and Charlie. Lebron was starter and again Dan Cuisine. Berry was the closer and at this point Dan Cuisine Berry head. I think finished top. Five and CY young voting for years in a row top three INCI young voting for years in a row third second second third and they did not use in cuisine berry in the ninth inning up by two to start the inning and then as run after run scored they still didn't use gwyn buried. They left Charlie brand out there to allow four runs in the ninth inning. And lose the game. Willie Wilson the Royal Center. Fielder was not kind to the decision. After the fact he said on the record anybody who knows anything about baseball knows what we should have done. So there's that and then a few innings later a few games later I should say they were in a fairly similar situation this time. It was the eighth inning and Charlie. Lebron was again pitching very well and again the had. Well I guess this was a tough game. Zero zero and Lebron comes up in the eighth inning with two on and two out. They let him hit for himself and he strikes out inning over ballgame stays tied zero zero and then the very next half inning with Lebron the game the cardinals in like sort of almost too obvious storytelling moment get the exact same situation. Two on two out in a zero zero tie and the pitcher. Coming up in this time they. The cardinals do pinch hit for the starting pitcher who also had a shutout going and also throwing seven innings complete. They pinch hit for him. The pinch hitter gets a single off. Charlie Lebron and the cardinals ended up going ahead so that is a play. They just really liked Charlie Lebron in the game because so all right and then last one nine ninety six. I don't I don't want to talk about nineteen. Eighty six particularly nine hundred. Eighty seven was the series of pitchers pitching on short rest and it became a deal because Murray Chaz noted that the pitchers who pitching on three days rest had all been quite bad and the pitchers who had been pitching on four days. Rest had all been quite good so marinas wrote an analysis of this and as he put it in the six games of the series. Six starters worked on three days rest and six pitched with four days of rest or more. The well rested. Starters have registered three victories and one defeat have compiled a two point six zero. Yara and have allowed an average of nine baserunners per nine innings. The Not so well rested. Starters have one victory four losses and an eight point five six era. They have permitted an average of seventeen baserunners per nine innings. So this was the eighty seven world series and in reading about the previous six world series. There were various pitchers going on short rest throughout those series and I did not see any controversy over it. In any of those it would be noted that a pitcher had you know. Throw a complete game on short rest or that. He was coming back after three days respite. It wasn't controversial. It wasn't seen as even something that that there was much doubt over. If it was your in you needed him back there for the win. You just did it. So I don't know if this series inaugurated the tradition of second guessing that decision. Which is I think. Generally proven not to be a great decision to do but it turned out to be a really important factor in because as the series went to game seven. The twins went to Frank Viola. Their ace one of the races and he was starting short rest. The cardinals manager. Whitey Herzog could have gone to Danny Cox on short rest but instead he chose to go with Joe mcgrane who had started a week earlier and had not pitched since and so he was fully rested. So you really have this situation where both Where the managers made polar opposite decisions based on the situation and the I don't know maybe the data and so- Viola ends up pitching extremely well despite being on short rest and so the twins are justified in. There's the cardinals pitcher Joe mcgrane also pitched pretty well but remember. They wouldn't remember how he didn't go to Danny Cox his his his best pitcher. Because Danny Cox was on short rest. Well he pulls Joma Grain in the fifth inning and brings in Danny Cox and so- Danny Cox this is. What Danny Cox does this? His line that day. His the play log for him. Kirby Puckett Double Gary Guy. Eddie Walk Puckett caught stealing. Okay Danny Cox gets an out. Don Baylor single gatty out at home. So Danny Cox gets an out. So He's faced three batters. They all reach. He gets to gift outs next inning. Tom Brown and ski walk. Kent Herbeck Walk and Danny Cox leaves so he faces Fi. Batters doesn't technically get any of them out and the cardinals ended up. They had a two-to-one lead when they pulled Joe mcgrane and they leave with what will ultimately be the winning run on base. Well they weren't very good at at baseball station waste. They were really. It was only one hundred twenty years old at that point. They were still figuring it out. It's really sort of shocking. Just the pace of change and I guess improvement or optimization in managing just I mean things were still happening in the eighties or even the nineties that had happened for all of baseball history and then all of a sudden they sorta stopped happening in all. These things went away sack bunsen intentional. Walks and hit and runs to some extent in pitch outs and leaving pitchers in forever. These things were part of baseball to varying extents for most of its history and then just You know within the blink of an eye in baseball standards they all kind of just went away and it was really a product of you know different types of people running teams and not players running teams. Who were used to things working that way and then that hiring people who were not going to do things that way and it really does make you wonder like. We've talked about this before I think but the idea of. How good would your team be if you could go back right now? And be the GM of team in the twenties or the forties or the sixties or whatever. Just a regular person knowing what we know now. How good would we be at running a baseball team? And I think a lot of ways we'd still be pretty bad at it and I think in general the greatest advances when it comes to winning more games have been in player evaluation and player development more recently so finding out which players are the best going to get those players making players better. I think those where the greatest gains have come and yet when you recount of his very simple and possibly costly errors that we're really routine. I mean you're reading the world series ones but this was happening all the time it really makes. You wonder if you just went back and didn't manage that way. If you just managed the way that a team today manages with the same personnel and everything. How much better would you be? Would that be enough of an advantage to just go from average team to good teams bad teams to average team? At least it's like the baseball analyst Phil Byrne bomb once wrote you gain more by not being stupid than you do by being smart. Yeah the hardest thing I think for me if I went back and tried to manage these teams is that I have a very hard time looking at these players and figuring out which pitchers were actually good because none of them was really striking anybody out and they were all walking a bunch of guys. And so you have all these like you have these opening day. Starters who like Danny Cox for instance was the cardinals. Ace I think. At that point. He struck out four point. Six batters per nine and walked three point. Two batters for nine and I in my head don't really have a way of making those numbers into a good pitcher. I'm so used to the types of pitching that we have now that I don't even know what I would look for if I were exposed to a Danny Cox type pitching line and been told to figure out whether he was better than Joe mcgrane and it's I'm constantly looking at some pitcher. Who was the staff ace and I'm clicking over to see how good he was that year and it's like four point eight strikeouts per nine three point nine walks per nine two point one two era think. Where's the where these outs coming from? Of course it made sense at the time and they hardly ever allowed home runs and there were a lot of things going on and a lot of those walk. Rates were severely boost by intentional walks and probably by a lot of semi intentional walks. But it's just hard for me to to look at the pictures and see a like I don't have my my easy heuristic. You know yeah right. That's a good point and we wouldn't have the data at our disposal that we do now if we just went back in time we have to suffice with what they had at the time. I guess we'd be able to discount certain things and look at certain things that maybe they were ignoring. Then but you didn't have baseball reference orphan graphs and Debussy posser projections or anything. So you'd have to calculate that stuff yourself for figure it out on your own and a lot of the data that goes into the steps that we have now was just not being collected then obviously not in automated form but not even manual stringer assisted form. So you'd be sort of flying blind to an extent too. Yeah Yep Anyway I'll let you know what I find out about nine hundred eighty nine and so on all right. We got a good amount of feedback to our discussion last time about baseball. In the age of social distancing Megan I discussed whether and how baseball could be played while ensuring a minimum of six feet distance between players. And other personnel. Here's one good email. We got from Listener Brennan. Who came up with two ways to possibly fix baseball quote unquote during the covert pandemic number one. Different parallel basis for runners and fielders. So this is something Megan I were talking about. How you would handle force outs? And Brennan says obviously this would be a hot mess but potentially an entertaining one robot ups or Hawkeye would monitor the arrival of the ball and run into parallel basis would automatically signal the result of the play using a light or sound visible to everyone on the field of play. I presume we'd want to give the baserunners. The longer of the two basepaths as all ties would go to the runner. In the scenario alternatively we could switch inning which team used the outer basis of variety of problems. Come to mind but again is better than no baseball. I think so. This would be sort of like the extra runners bag in softball except instead of having that second bag attached to the main bag it would just be six feet apart. Renan's other point here is scrapped. Baseball do Derby. Ben Sam's discussion of Homerun Derby as a sport. Last season now seems oddly. Prescient how does Derby become a sport? It suits up and subs in for baseball during a pandemic so we have at traveling. Melby Derby League broadcasting from great iconic American sites the Grand Canyon the Gateway Arch and Saint Louis the Capitol Mall Mount Rushmore Etcetera. It could be structured as an ongoing points-based league or an elimination tournament. Or ideally. Both a regular season followed by postseason. If we want to really go for the video game gusto. Each site could have a special rule. Emphasizing the unique geography or history of the location providing bonus points. Is this baseball. No is this better than not having baseball. Definitely thank you Brennan. And for further consideration of baseball in a social distancing world you can head over to fan graphs where Ben Clements did a whole post about what that could possibly look like all right. That will do it for today. Thanks for listening. Thanks again for supporting effectively while the end fan graphs. 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I-5 Series Game 3 Postgame Show
"Either Baseball fans and welcome proposed H. Show after the team from southern California rebounded from two losses up north and earn their first. Win The interstate five serious a six game. Three victory at dodger stadium should as ravine was rocking. The sound system was cranked up from deafening. To may you can hear the music and sound effects from space. We'll start this story of this game at the end which couldn't have been more thrilling. Barry bonds hit four homers in the first few games of the series came to bat with two outs. The bases loaded in northern California team bound for bonds could have tied the game with one swing and the way he was going in this series. You you thought there was no way he'd sale but rollie fingers brought that That big mustache onto the mount He had created the mess and then he got out of it by getting bonds to pop out for the twenty seventh out so Jim Palmer started for the so counts provided a performance. They needed to avoid going down three. Oh in the series It helped that his offense hounded cease about the for five runs on a two run mark. Maguire homer in the first three run blasts from Fred Lynn in second lefty Gomez Relieved Samatha and Kinda made a case that he should have maybe been that starting pitcher in this game. He had six in the third shutout innings of. He gave an account offense a chance but they couldn't capitalize and I bring in northern California manager Bruce Jenkins And while Bruce. You're managing this team in this in this series gate. Capper's winner set the rotation for the first three games and Samantha was a controversial choice. I mean what what the options have been Gomez imagine would have been one. Oh without a doubt Pitching for the nineteen thirty four Yankees. One of the Great World Series pitchers ever she look it up and you know A good change of pace as a left-hander Would have been a wonderful choice. Dave Stewart would have been a good choice. I'm sure anybody who follow Dave Stewart's Oakland A.'s career about big money pitcher. Whoever came along We got CC. from Kappler's call. It didn't work out. I will say that as I met the press afterward my first words were Edam capper. What the Hell is no? Actually I didn't even mention copper. I I'm not going to say you know this is not my fault. Sees a hell of a pitcher. He got hammered. He got hammered by two of the best. And that's the thing here. I mean you talked about Mark Maguire and Fred Wynn and not everybody's GonNa stand out so Put us in a hall and now this is series. Yeah I mean this was the biggest homerun Fred Linnet since he took Atley Hammock or deep for the first Grand Slam in all star game history in nineteen three. He probably came to the blade. Thank Gosh I sure. Wish I had Atlantic around the mountain and not see cease about the but he made the most of the lefty Gomez six and a third shutout innings left. He was an easier one of the greatest world. Series pitchers ever wasn't he? Yeah I think he was was he five and lifetime. I'd have to look that up. I I know. We're using his nineteen thirty four season in particular but he was just an automatic in the world. Series you know. It's huge part of those great teams with Joe Dimaggio. Bill dickey read Ralph. You know before Before the mantle and Damange era Jo. Jody was work in there too but Yeah Lefty Gomez you know he Talk about the conversation. The dugouts he was a little restless game three and he's still not starting but man to go six and a third allowing one hit against this is phenomenal yet. A phenomenal performance by Gomez You know it's too bad. It was kind of wasted in. I wouldn't say garbage time because the game was still close but You know he wasn't able to pitch with a lead that well and unfortunately or the nor kaos Jim Palmer just I mean he just had a great game which you would expect from him I presume you with pitching with pants on not just in underwear And there's this other the northern California lineup which is which is a heck of a lineup Just couldn't come back and so this game started the way. The first two did up north at Seals Stadium and candlestick park with the home team. Getting a first inning jump with belong ball. Samatha walked Ted Williams which will happens a lot. in the series and in real life that brought Mark Maguire to the plate and risk. John Miller the call last half of the first inning. Nothing nothing but Ted Williams who walked at first base and Mark Maguire at the plate against Sabathia Maguire big right handed batting slugger and the pitch and he hits deep way back into center field. This has a chance way back. They're still gun and homer for Mark Maguire in the big Mac in a tough race. You hit a home run here. A dodger stadium and just like that southern California needing a win has eight to nothing lead the so cows continue their assault on Savannah in the second inning. Robin Yount it. A double over Willie startles head into the right field corner Ke- and catcher lance parrish walks. I think Paris getting his first. Start of the series. Then the big blow a three run homer by Fred Lynn. That gave the so cows five. Nothing lead so right off the bat we have five runs with Jim. Palmer on the mound. Protect the lead. It's almost a reverse image of game to when the nor cows took an early lead and Tom. Seaver ran with it and a three hitter for the win. Bruce what is that you've loved watching Jim Palmer. Throw over the years and one of the most stylish pitchers ever. I'll never forget the nineteen seventy nine world series in Baltimore. One starts warm up down the third base line and and as Palmer finished his warm ups and started walking toward the Orioles dugout fans standing. You know like the wave as he asks they all stood and applauded him such great history so much so much so much to come from him And he did strip down later for the benefit of of the cameras for for the audience out there in the locker room. He did to his post game in his undies which woods at that was only right but but I love gym. I Love Jim Palmer. Love watching him work. He had a beautiful pitching motion. And you know what a career Jim Curtin recently wrote that. Jim Palmer never gave up a grand slam and on a couple of times in his career he actually walked a guy with the basis loaded not blatantly but he walked the guy just knowing he could get the next guy because that Grand Slam thing meant so much. I'm sure it was like eight to one at the time. But wasn't five to four light when Buck showalter had five debris when Buck showalter. Barry Bonds walked intentionally so he could face. Brent main a little bit of yeah so We It the northern California team is is down finding itself down by multiple runs for the first time in the series at bonds who had already hit a bunch of home runs. We had a chance to get the knockouts back into the game when he batted with a runner on in a run in the seventh inning. Now Southern California manager Houston which turn to Trevor Hoffman. Who is Dave Roberts? Pick to close day. Robert said he would would go with Hoffman because he loved that. Change up and it worked out. Osman struck out. Barry Bonds Barry Bonds of the players Northern California tries to get back into the game. Bonzo four home runs in the first two games of the series was over three against Jim Palmer today but now he's got to move on. And Trevor Hoffman in for the bullpen. Deflation him sixty to southern California leading papa with the great changeup and even bonds has troubles with. Trevor Hoffman. Two strikes account and the pitch this piece struck out and that chain still sixty to southern California going to the last of the center. What did you think about when you when you heard Dave Roberts all the closers southern California's had what are your thoughts about Having using Hoffman in Well this is not closing situation. It was in the seventh inning. But sort of picking him as the as the guy that he would want in the ninth inning but tight game. Yeah well as as it happened In as the voting went there were a lot of tremendous. Relief pitchers Redan quizzing. Berry comes quick quickly to mind southern. California relievers that could have made this staff as it happened with the fans votes. The only real relievers were often end. Rollie fingers so You know Dave was partial to Hoffman. And what can you say? I mean these The San Diego fans will argue just as seriously for him as the as would be for for Riley. But you know bonds had gone over three against Palmer which spoke highly of Palmer. But but Houston wanted Hoffman here and I got you know. He threw a changeup and and struck out bond. Stan end the inning. We'll use Houston is a tinkerer. We all know that. But you know there's a lot of tinkering in this series because you made it clear in the know before the series again that it had thirty four players on each team in the old days in a world series. You might have ten eleven guys. Play all seven games if it went that far but you wanted to get as many of the northern California players in as you cut right. Yeah I started Keith Hernandez in game two at candlestick Cappuccino high in San Bruno. And you just look down the abandon when we get to the East Bay. I'm going to be looking at curt flood and Willie McGee and Jimmy rollins. Now it's just it's amazing in Houston. I both agreed that we're not going to make this a circus but at the same time you WanNa get guys in game one. I got a bunch of Old San Francisco. Guys got four guys from way back in time in that game and and menaces surviving so. That's kind of the way we both want to do it. We WanNA win. We don't want to make it a joke but we want to get players in there too. Okay I didn't I didn't hear a word you said because the sound system at dodger stadium was so loud loud. Last year's all I I heard the word circus and then I heard that anthem. Beethoven's coming in next Beethoven okay from strike three as he wrote so long ago. We we go to the ninth inning. In the Northern California team did rally rally against Raleigh Raleigh. Rally Harry Heilmann through a pinch walk. Aaron Judge also came up as a pinch hitter. And he got a pinch base at Ricky Henderson walked that loaded the bases And so the Northern California team down sixty two had something going here and it seemed like even though he went over three against Palmer and then got struck out by off men It seemed like with the bases loaded and the northern California's down four down to their last out It was good to have barry bonds. Up didn't go the way the nor cows wanted A to. And here's how John Miller sixty to southern California would to down in the ninth inning but rollie fingers who got the first two hitters easily enough then walked Harry. Heilmann gave up a pinch hit single Aaron judge and then he walked Ricky Henderson and now barry bonds comes up. Bonds is the possible tying run. And He's already hit. Four home runs in this series. Although he's over three today Jim Palmer retired three straight times. So here's fingers with tension and drama plenty at dodger stadium and he throws bonds swings hops. It up first basement maguire over the bag. He's got it and that budget a drama in the ninth. A hands on for the win sixty to southern California. Now it's two games. One Northern California had the scene shifts to Anaheim for game four tomorrow all right sixty to northern California lost northern California still has a two to one lead in series in As I hope that the fans are figured out so far it the series is going to be played in a bunch of different stadiums and tomorrow if game. Four will be a at Angel Stadium of Anaheim of Los Angeles of Angel Land of Marino land of Anaheim Brusca. You made a decision. You decided not to bring Randy Johnson back on shore grasp but instead you're turning to Dave Stewart and gave Kappler didn't select for one of the first three starts on Stephen. Strasburg will go for the so cows and I'm just wondering if your decision not to have Randy Johnson come back on. Short risk had anything to do with your head. My debt decision have been different if the nor cows were behind in the series. Well Yeah I mean I. We certainly haven't seen the last of Randy. Johnson don't. I'm expecting things to get Interesting because it's so much respect for that southern California team but I I needed Dave Stewart to have a start in this series. And I wasn't GonNa wait any longer. I mean he just simply has to s Roger Clemens. Who about Dave Stewart? Who beat him at every big game they ever faced so It's going to be stew and you know I'm leaving it open for the rest of it. Who who knows how. It's going to go after that. We'll see how this goes but feel good about Stuart Pitching bitching tomorrow in Anaheim. Lord knows those Angel Fans Have Memories of Stuart shutting down their team. So let's see okay. Okay well we'll talk to you after game four when you'll either be looking at a three to one northern. California lead or two series will until then Bruce. Talk you then entering. Thank you for listening. 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