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Jim Gaffigan's Dramatic Turns
"From the broadcast center at KPCC it's the frame I'm John Horn on today's show. What a change in leadership at the rock and Roll Hall of fame might mean for artists who've been overlooked in the past then actor and comedian Jim Gaffe again talks about taking on dramatic roles after nearly losing Zina's wife and writing partner to brain cancer. That's the interesting thing about these. life-or-death crisis is is that they're horrible experiences but you also also develop a sense of compassion out of that experience and singer. Peter in Fontenay is following in her grandfather's footsteps but also forging Georgina new path all that coming up on the frame. There's a bit of a shake-up going on at Cleveland's rock and Roll Hall of Fame Chuck Chuck Yarborough is the Pop music critic at the Cleveland Plain dealer and Ohio and he wrote about the shift in power and why he thinks it could mean a more diverse group of musicians. Sion's might be headed for the Hallowed Hall Chuck. Thanks for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really looking forward to this so what is the process of how people are inducted and who has basically been calling the shots in the past. The process is pretty simple. You have to have had your first recording out twenty five years and that could be a demo that you put out a little cassette tape or something like that an ep that you did on your own but it has to twenty five years ago to be eligible digital you are nominated by a rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation Committee Nominating Committee and that is chaired by Jon Landau Landau longtime public relations person in the music industry. Young winner is a part of that on the periphery but he's not officially a member however he and Ahmet hurt again founded the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation so young winner says something it gets listened to a little bit more than if the kid from the local Beatles tribute band says something i WanNa play a song by a band called sticks. This song is called. Come sail away what are headed so sticks. a lot of people folk would argue. I think including members of sticks that they deserve a spot in the hall of fame and yet they haven't yet been invited. What is the theory about why certain certain bands including sticks aren't yet in there is an alleged bias against bans by yod winter and that's most of the prog rock band hands a lot of the heavy metal bands but the folks from sticks are convinced that they just hate them. there was even a case several years ago they were offered the cover rolling. Stone magazine in nineteen eighty three and as I pointed out in my case they turned it down because they absolutely hate the young winner and the magazine. You can't stand in the band. He did not like yes. You didn't like deep purple doesn't like Grand Funk. He doesn't like just throw tall. He doesn't like motorhead. He doesn't like Judas priest and these are all bands are definitely worthy of being in a rock and Roll Hall of certainly more worthy than which is in so what's happening now. Is there a change in leadership and what are the potential positives and what are the potential Joel worries about the change. Well there will be the change in leadership. John Sykes who is a CO founder of MTV and vh one and an executive with IHEART media enterprises houses is taking over as chairman of the foundation. Now that can be good or bad thing. The good thing probably from a lot of people standpoint is Yon. Winner is out the the downside is that John Sykes has been running the terrestrial radio world for the last several years there eight hundred fifty eight radio stations said Iheartmedia has and they're all cookie cutter and they're not playing really good music. local music is dying. Local radio is dying as anybody can until you from whatever city there in so there's a concern that we're going to get more of that sort of commercialization within the hall all of Fame Foundation the other part is Sykes is history with MTV and vh one frankly makes me a little bit concerned that we're GonNa have a loverboy and Nikki. You're so fine in the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I'm just it's not quite ready for that that raises the bigger question which is what is a hall of fame. Do does it recognize. A body of work is important to recognize artists who might might not be that well known but who really distinguished themselves. How would you define it because it's not as if a band like the WHO benefits from being the rock and Roll Hall of fame but you certainly can't make the argument that they shouldn't be in there and that's actually a real problem John because there's no other criteria except you have to put out an album twenty five years ago or a recording twenty five years ago so it's all quote unquote politics gets in. It's not like baseball. Where if you've got got two CY youngs. Are you hit. Seven hundred home runs your aunt. There's no real statistical thing you mentioned sticks earlier. They've been around for fifty ears are still touring. They've sold tens of millions of albums and yet they're not in. It's a problem there's just really no delineation of what exactly the criteria for getting into the rock that needs to be set down stone and maybe we'll do that. Maybe not look just have to wait and see how do you place what's happening within the rock and Roll Hall of fame in the broader context of Algorithms and streaming and playlists where the rich get richer and smaller bands have a real struggle getting noticed. I think you say in your piece that under the iheartradio model the music played in Cleveland Ohio could be identical to the music playing in Cleveland Texas and that's the problem but that's that's why Vance now it used to be that you made a record so you could tour now you tour so that you can make record all the money that that bans are making now is from touring that's from selling their merch not so much tickets 'cause that profit is going to ticketmaster and live nation at ag and and all that stuff the prophet is coming for the band's anyways coming from selling the merchandise dies which is why t shirts. I used to buy for five dollars out thirty five dollars and still fall apart in two weeks. Okay you get to be a little Cassini and maybe whisper into the ears of the people picking the next inductees outside of sticks. Who are you going to make a case for. Who Do you think really should be a and you only get to pick three bands okay. That's not going to be that difficult grand funk railroad because that was my first real concert back in nineteen seventy three the the other would probably be Emerson Lake and Palmer and the last would most likely be either Judas priest or motor head and I'm leaning towards motorhead simply because Lenny Gillmeister was one of my favorite interviews of all time Chuck Yarborough is the Pop Music critic at the Cleveland Plain Dealer Chuck. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Thank you very much for coming up on the frame. Jim Gavin stand up comedy is family friendly. His movies not so much Jim Gaffe again has built his stand up career around his self effacing father of five. I persona but he's also an actor. This year. Gavin had three movies at the Sundance Film Festival and a couple more in theaters this fall fresh off the heels of his Amazon prime comedy special quality time some gaffe agains newer work including his film American Dreamer or a sharp departure from his typical funny guy roles I caught up with Gavin recently and we talked about being typecast as the clean comic while wanting to take on more serious parts. I think the entertainment industry three in general kind of puts people in buckets. You know it's not that the entertainment industry is cruel. It's just a two relatively risk-averse risk-averse business so they don't want to gamble so if someone's known as funny just have them stick funny but you know the the clean humor thing thing you know. I think that's a reflection of my family culture and the culture of the town I grew up in and my personality. It's not to say I don't curse in everyday life. If I've ridden something and it's not something that necessitates a curse word. I don't know why I would put that in there. I WANNA play a clip from American can dreamer. You play a man who's going through a bad divorce. You're a rideshare driver and you end up driving for a drug dealer off the books and a lot of bad things happen. I'M NOT GONNA get into all the specifics but in this scene your character stops by his ex-wife's home to bring a toy car for his son and the XS played by Tammy Blanchard in between fair side. Swick by Seattle police are on the way well. I take my son son. I don't remember but he's my tongue too. You look down. I'm serious. Are you taking your medication Asian. Where's that allowed to see him without sufficient not to mention. You're late on your payment wide or sit always the money with you. You need help. No no no no back but I need is for you and everyone else on this planet to stop sabotaging. Cam At the beginning of the film is somebody you really feel badly four and as he starts making some MM decisions you're you're really tested in your allegiance. I WanNa ask you about what you saw in the character and the conversations you had with your director about out his evolution through the story. When I read the script it was very apparent that there was a really compelling arc that I wanted wanted to help construct cam and I can identify with this was really kind of blind to take some accountability for his actions. You know it's the movie's called American Dreamer because I think he believes he's entitled to the American Dream and when I read it it was very obvious that he he didn't want to take accountability for his mistakes and it was really fun as an actor to kind of embrace his truth ruth you know there's weak logic behind it but I think a lot of people can identify with. It's not my fault. It's everyone else's fault and and Cam certainly believes that in this part and in other recent roles you are playing a parent and obviously you have some life experience as a parent current as well. Do you think you are offered those parts. Because you're a parent you're attracted to them because your parent or is it just kind of random luck. How would you describe it. I think it's probably random luck and probably the age I am but I do know that as a parent I learn a lot from each each of the characters I've played whether it be them that follow where I play a father that really has to come to terms that his John might lead a different life or I think the lesson of Cam is even though he has this parental guilt. He's really not in touch with his responsibilities. I mean there's a point where cam buys a toy for his son and as the movie goes on you realize reliance. It's completely age inappropriate the gift that he's gotten as Charlton. I love that detail in the script for me as a father there. Is You know there's guilt l. But there's also fear that as I pursue these career dreams that I'm GONNA fail at the most important thing I'm supposed to do on this planet which is be a father. Your wife has just written a new book. It's called when life gives you pairs the healing power of family faith and funny people and it's about her battling brain cancer and complications from surgery and it sounds like you guys your family. Everyone involved especially your wife went to Hell. Hell and back and I'm wondering how that Experience Change Your perspective because I couldn't help thinking about you're playing a grieving widower are in light from light and about how that felt really almost too topical given what was going on in your own life. Yeah I mean that's that's the interesting thing about these. These medical crisis is these life or death crisis that you know everyone goes through is is that there are horrible experiences but you also develop a sense of compassion out of that experience. My wife is you you know I call her kind of the executive producer of our family because she does everything from executive producing this television show I had to being the mother five kids kids and being my writing partner and so through the experience I was thrust into a role of being a caretaker and you know part of me. I learned learned a lot from it but I was also given the gift of being a caretaker to someone who has you know been so incredibly generous Chris and helpful in my life so it's strange because it's like a horrifying experience but it was something that I cherish that I had had that opportunity and being by the way being a caretaker is brutal so I have enormous amounts of compassion for people that are the key a caretaker because you are a press secretary and the organizer and you're emotional support and year you know organizing all these doctors appointments. It's it's a pretty amazing undertaking but I am grateful that I could go through it for talking talking with actor and comedian Jim Gaffe again. I WANNA play a clip from your standup special quality time and here you're talking about taking your kids on the road in Europe and you decide to take them to the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam told some friends that aren't your kids a little young for the you know what I learned. They are there to you. I WANNA bring them. You know it's an important place. I want them to learn toy brought them. We were standing outside the Frank. I said this is a special somber place. This this were Anne Frank her family and friends hid from the Nazis for two years and they couldn't speak during the day and and also wrote this diary so let's be respectful. My six year old raises uses him he goes. Do they have video games here. I need you to be quiet for the rest of your life. I'm I'm wondering is everything material. Are there things that happen. In your personal life that are off limits and if so how would you define them yeah yeah no. There's some things that I wouldn't want to embarrass my children or my wife. I mean obviously I live in fear of my wife allegheny smart husband but I wouldn't say that there's an overall censorship but you know I took my kids last summer to terrorism and the check Republican you know it was this profound experience but you know it's one of the darkest days I've kind of spanned and there's no humor there but it's weird your children take you out of the comforts and and when you're in uncomfortable situations that's where I think the humor arises. I've asked you a lot about creative decisions. I WanNa ask you about a business decision. You've made that seems to be something that has worked really well for you but not a lot of other comedians fallen that is being essentially an independent producer of your own comedy that you how to deal with that flakes no longer do what was behind that and how did that change the way that you saw your own work as a proprietor of. I guess your own on comedy. How comedy is consumed and even how comedians produce material has changed so dramatically. I mean you look back at the Borscht belt and people would have the same twenty minutes for their entire lives. Generally a was not a creative outlet where you were about introducing different hours of material over two years and so over the course of my career I've seen the business shift like when when I released my first special beyond the Pale on comedy central that was in two thousand six in every dorm room there was a cable system and kids were watching comedy central so it made sense and then by my you know obsessed or Mister Universe it was you know net afflicts was the new thing and putting quality time on Amazon prime was a calculation but it was also one of those things where you know I just sit in my home and I see these Amazon boxes come in on hourly that I know that they have access to people but I also know that in five years or even six months this conversation will be different so the businesses changed and how people consume comedy or stand up has changed Jim Gavin. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Thanks for American dreamer is available through streaming sites and in select theaters now up next on the frame singer Lupita in front a finds the light and a heavy family legacy legacy doc singer. LUPITA infantile is air to a Mexican Music Dynasty. Her Grandfather Pedro in Ponte Day was one of Mexico's most beloved actors and singers the thirty one year old. La born singer is starting to carve out her own path but it's the frame contributor. Beto Arcos coast found out. It hasn't always been an easy road. It's a Saturday night at the fourth theater in Hollywood at packed houses here to see two of. La Stop Female Mariachi groups oops Los Angeles and Las Liberty Tonight. The special guest singer Lupita in funding in the second half of the program in funding comes out in a black Mariachi outfit after building a couple of classic Ranchera. She starts crooning the song. CNN news made famous by her grandfather bettering fun fitness backstage age you fund it tells me the Mariachi outfit. She's wearing tonight was a gift from her father. Singer and actor Battering Fund Junior Alice. I forget that my dad got me this so this is my first suit ever last week. I met Him Fun Theon her label's offices in Burbank. She told me about growing up in Downey. The complicated located relationship with her father who lived in Mexico City and visited only sporadically from an early age. Her mother began to shape her artistic bath. I did Hawaiian dancing. I did piano classes. I did guitar classes in her Freshman Year of high school in front that took adjust choir class and later played drums and escape and and she formed after graduating from high school. She attended community college around this time her father decided to move to. La then in two thousand nine my dad had he passed away tragically. He took his own life. After many years of struggling with addiction ten years ago after her father's passing in fact the decided to focus on a career as a singer and continue her grandfather's legacy in the nineteen forties and fifties federal funding was Mexico's most popular singer an actor off he died in nineteen fifty seven the age of thirty nine in a plane crash but his music remains popular to this day. I started learning all of the the the standards. It's you know the one that everybody asks for like. CNN sent mostly to Corazon and from then on I started kind of building on that and I and I kept going to classes at first in front. The says it was a big struggle to satisfy audiences people expected you the granddaughter of Bettering Front to sound like this incredible singing angel and I think I was refining my my craft and and my style and I still I'm but I've come a long way yet the sped up this in two thousand fifteen she transferred to Ucla's Department of ethnomusicology. She says the two years there were difficult alice commuting from Downey to Ucla so it was like an hour and a half each way and I was trying to keep my part time job teaching and I was also recording working on this album than I would sell at my shows after graduating from UCLA in two thousand seventeen infant audition for the reality show levels Mexico and got in uh-huh in front says the manager of one of the TV programs coaches saw her perform during the semi finals and right away he sent me a message assist on instagram and he's like hey you know I wanna talk to you about possibly working together and sense there has been so many wonderful oh things that have come out of it in publishing and record label deal with beer music the same company that operates grandfather's publishing catalog her W. Album on comes out September twenty seven the album steidl is lesson in Nata in front. The says the songs are meant as a repertoire for sereny for someone night. You're so in love with and you want to serenade them or somebody that you're Kinda mad and then you wanna go tell them off necessarily nate so so I kind of like got idea of a a female figure taking a set and not that to a a man or it could be a female figure to a woman eh her point of view comes across so clearly in particularly unless there's that feminist side to her that I know that she has is that you know brings a different youthful by cultural perspective that we have not had a tremendous amount of genre Yvonne Driesen Vice President of the Latin Division pure music says having a pedigree will only get you so far and I've said this to look like I know that your last name will open the door for you but only so you can walk through that door your talent will take you through that door in front the says her grandfather created an image of Mexican identity. Her father with the burden of that famous name struggled to find his own identity Lupita infant this says as a woman born and raised in the US. She's forging a completely new identity. I'm one hundred percent Mexican but I'm also one hundred percent the losses thilo Sony laws and that's a whole other identity and I feel that that's what's it's really going to shape my music. Is this whole story of where I come from and at the same time this new perspective of where here the infant the dynasty as you see these young millennials. It's probably safe to say. GRUMP better will be proud for the frame. I'm bill it and that's our show for today. I'm John Horn at the broadcast center at KPCC. We were back here tomorrow. uh-huh.
The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: An Overview of The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
"Gray and Marcus on the imbalance history of rock and roll anybody. We have a very special guest today. A man I've known a long longtime and it's true you can't lie Paul. I'm talking about my buddy neander Paul Paul Marshall part of the market and the Interpol morning show on on KS Election Phoenix. Hey Man I am well for those that need a little breath. Refresher Course Ray at one point offered me an exorbitant fee to knockout couch Jesse camp and a bar one night all ready to do it was already too and he walked in with his representative who happened to be one of our closest friend and scuttled but I remember Ray and another person who shall remain nameless several hundred dollars on the end of the bar if I go up in a cold talk yet the faith it is one of my life biggest regrets never having done home. I Got Paul. That's classic that's out there. That is is going to have to know. Sure hope so as twenty years ago. Wasn't it longer than that. But yeah well while you've never been shy about revealing things and or your feelings or opinions on things and When it came to the Rock Hall Class at Twenty Twenty any you posted something on social media and you know Marcus Goldman my buddy marcus in the dark as we Certainly do we chat like girlfriends on social media and in texting and stuff about all this stuff all day about the podcast and we both saw your post on your neanderthal page at the ram the same time and started saying we got a call. Paul get them on to talk about this. I think we want to run through your original statement if we have time for that to kind of set things up for people so they know what we're talking about they know we're talking about the imbalance history of rock and roll in. It is always brought to you by crooked. I bere- in the heart of Hafbro. Paul if you have come to town and Philly sometime. We're going to go there. You'RE GONNA fall in love with bruise there a crooked eye so if they serve beer. I'm in I know it's one of the things I love about it. Really good beer in your statement you said today. I declared the Rocker Hall of fame as relevant today have been asked to elaborate. I receive some questions and wanted to share the response here and you said to the in the post. Here's what I told. The Questioner Jenner is the hall of Famer Relevance based upon. And you said who has not been inducted and you said yes. Yeah you want to elaborate a little bit on the things that are on the top of your mind. Look first and foremost. I don't want to bad mouth. Any of the inductees. No they did nothing wrong. I'll be picking at what they do. And somebody voters resented mortals and. I think that's great but I was thinking sort of obnoxious that the Rock Hall of fame would put a band in or an artist. In without whom aband- they overlooked having having existed. This band wouldn't exist for example. Brian can't put nine inch nails into the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Without First Inducting Gibo and craft work to ban Dan that without whom Trent redner hadn't heard he would never have bought his first computer and realize you could make music with irritates me about the Rock Hall of fame that day. Inductive van that are pioneers that invented and popularized a circle of the Caen mortality. That's musically mortality. If you're banned invent a a form of music or your singular in what you do and music has different after your band appeared on the scene can yes you are hall of Famer will you can put the MC five in that boat. They were up for this year to. You're getting into who has been inducted in not inducted and there's somebody who did exactly what you're talking about the empty five in the Kingston a coup invented punk rock. So why aren't they add right. It makes no sense absolutely makes no sense and the MC five with the first American punk rock band if it worked for the MC five then the ramones don't exist as my friend she though Koto this when it came to Punk Rock America fired first so there you go yeah no the stooges in the MC and how long did it take the students to get in long-term longtime and that's where when when the original question was is irrelevant on the Rock Hall of fame based upon those that haven't been inducted absolutely because they have ignored pioneers. They have ignored artists that without whom existing music would be where it is today. AAC Me there is music before this artist and music after the artists and music after this artist is different based upon the appearance of this artist. And not the hall of Famer. That's immortal mortgage hard to argue a case against that man and argue with that at all now a couple years ago. You made a long post about the nominees whether you thought they might get Dr Not. It was the year that sister Rosetta Tharp was nominated and inducted and at that point. I think you had said you weren't really sure. But she's quite a pioneer ear. I'd heard about her about fifteen years ago for the first time saw video on Youtube and was blown away by her guitar playing then I was reading some stuff about her and Elvis's listen. Guitar Player said that without people like sister Rosetta tharp. I wouldn't be here today so she ended up being one of those big time. Pioneers who sort of lived in obscurity. DNA took her a long time to get in and women have been treated very poorly as far as getting into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I couldn't agree more now. The thing with was that a thought and this is a great example of contradiction. Because I didn't know enough about her to say yeah okay. He's in the Rock Hall of fame. He deserves to be in the Rock Hall of fame. One of the great things things at the rock and Roll Hall of fame has an opportunity to do is to educate and to draw awareness and do bring forth those pioneer to make the public aware that these people existed listed. And you're right sister. Rosetta Dr Arguably one of the greatest. If not the greatest female guitar player that has lived and yet we didn't know because back then in the fifties and fifty. Let's face it not only. Is it the sex industry. It's still a racist industry. Why Chuck various not acknowledged as the reigning King of rock and roll because nobody in America was ready to give the crown around to an African American back then can argue with that either so so Rosetta tharp gets overlooked and by the way that chain of overlooked female L. Stars continues with the exclusion of Benetton so far so far north happened? I don't know she was all over the radio during our younger years man. She was so so all over the radio with her albums her songs and they weren't just one or two songs from each album. You would hear on the rock and roll rick the AOR stations four five five six songs deep on her albums that they were deep. They were deep song thing but hell is for children. Anybody else about outside of uncle salty from aerosmith. I don't think I remember another song about child abuse not like that being a popular song. A popular song don't happen. It's not just a pop dr not to somebody who was a popular figure in American culture but also was writing some cheap stuff. Some things that not only did men knocked right about women wouldn't even touch the and yet they inducted mcdonagh. Her first opportunity. Madonna doesn't exist. If Benetton doesn't kick that you also talked in your Post about the question of is it about who has been inducted adopted and you said no because a lot of people WANNA pick You know this one should Nagai in and Y you're talking about a line lineage and chronology the you know the people who benefited from the pioneer are in and yet the person who was the pioneer. The five are not. So it's not about who's been inducted in your view. Because you see how well look and I think primarily this is a semantic argument with me and that is when people like Madonna Madonna get inducted but people like Pat Benner tar get ignored and they call it the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Let's just get this out of the way right now. Rock and roll is a trademark. It's an instantly identifiable faial brand name. It's Kinda like when you hear somebody say. Give me a coke. They're not talking about coca-cola talking about the flavor rock and roll is all encompassing when it comes to music it's a wide breadth music and there's a huge difference between Brenda Lee and Metallica. And yet they're both considered rock and roll. So when somebody like Madonna who isn't traditionally considered rock and roll is inductive but somebody like Pat. Ben Atar who is the epitome of the definition is ignored. It's not about that artist. Pat Ben Atar big gap Madonna so when the business artists that would be the big argument. This time around will be the notorious who's the next logical evolution from screaming Jay Hawk and who suck up over the week from the part two quick them Brooklyn streets fuck all that switch with them and then she the counted ninety five on the wings. Mac brought on by we. We got screaming. Jay Hawkins we got Little Richard. We got Chuck Berry. We got sly stone. We got Prince we got. They'll be digging. We're GONNA get at some point. We may get Bruno Mark. You know what I mean like. There's an evolution that happens. So the idea that the rock and Roll Hall of fame is inducting traditionally non rock artists. Look there's a huge difference between Carl all perkins and the doors. But they're both rock and roll MANDIC argument. I think it's a weak argument. Man All this gabbing with Paul Marcus. I feel like I need a beer. Yeah Yeah Palsy blasted to rid great opinions. But I'm dry. There's only one place to go when I'm dry KRILL. I know when I'm thirsty. I head to the heart of Hapur and go see my friends at crooked eye brewery. I want to thank Paul Paul and the whole gang for their support for our podcast. It's been great. Yeah when you WANNA taste the freshest most creative brews in the Buck Mont you go to crooked Eye at York road and Montgomery right there. The Heart Hafbro pouring the cure for what ails you. Since two thousand fourteen the crooked eye crew makes every single night fund. Hey you can keep up with a live entertainment on the breweries facebook page. That's the best way we know what's happening there including their free Tuesday nights blues jam which is taken off the home brewers club and my partner in crime raise vinyl nights which are the third when Thursday of the month as brewers me and live music. All the time including the crooked eye band is always good fun to be had a new friend to be. He made a crooked eye and we wanNA thank them as always for their support of what we do on this crazy imbalanced podcast. When you need a fresh tasty brew head to Hap- Borough make it crooked? I we are refresh. So let's get back to it with the Andhra Paul talking about the hall on the Balanced History of rock and roll. You also mentioned the criteria. I used to induct in. You said it's a secret for a reason. It's not random nor is it merit based. I think it's the most nebulous part of of the formula is the criteria because nobody seems to know in. It's because you have a whole theory on this which I tend to agree with because it's the guys who got together to form the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Club Have Control of all of it pretty much right. Yeah and I don't want to name drop into a rock and Roll Hall of Famer a reluctant rock rock and Roll Hall of Famer from one of America's greatest rock band and they're from in New York City and there were a lot of makeup in their early years. You know who I'm talking about that to me during an interview imagine if you had trademarked the name rock and Roll Hall of Fame You could be the rock and Roll Hall of fame. And that's essentially what happened here. Was John Winner. And and a couple of guys from rolling stone. Who are one of the more elitist music magazine on the face of the earth? Remember rolling stone historically bad mouth every led Zeppelin record when they came up rolling stone. Stone is an elitist group of in the know click that they believe that bans like television and the talking heads and and that might be down. You think they believe that those band and Lou Reed are the be all end all of the coolest thing about rock when you see the movie almost famous get that great Characterization of Lesser Bang talking about how these guys are ruining rock and roll. We've talking about Rolling Stone Paul. We Love Lester bangs on the podcast. Great example die. He understands that the opinion of the elite the opinion of a small group of People's necessarily represent everybody. But when you say rock and Roll Hall of fame somewhere along the line the word rock and Roll Hall of fame put together lend credibility credibility. There is no real credibility to just a bunch of people who thought. Hey these are people. We want to immortalize now the undeniable undeniable. Unless you're the rock and Roll Hall of fame it's easy to say Chuck Berry's Hall of Famer. It's easy to say led Zeppelin famer. It's easy to say. But here's a great example. How the fuck is an ozzy? Osbourne a rock and Roll Hall of Famer America Solo Artist because he bit the head off of the bat and he's scares people and he is the single largest recording artists in hard lock history. He's the Elvis of hard rock and heavy metal. Young is the epicenter of what hard rock in that form of music is and I'm not talking about it's worked with Black Sabbath. It can be argued that odd to work is more important and relevant than black Sabbath work without a doubt remember. All of the controversy was suicide solution. and Mr Crowley and all of that and then I was reading a book and Zach. Wow there's somebody said that. Ozzy saw the picture of Alister Crowley and was like who's that hat and he's like. Oh that's Alister Crowley and he's like. Oh that's what he looks like. Maybe he didn't. He was bald with a beard or something like that and I think it was in the latest John. Wieder hornbook. But that's a perfect perfect example of what we're talking about. Guys the fact that Ozzy as a solo artist isn't it in there. You know I know that there are people who were in two and three ways and that's great great for what they've done but why not acknowledge a man who's one of the great voices in rock has been there through it all including the most recent chapter. Let me get the straight Eric. Clapton gets into the rock and Roll Hall of fame as a member of Delaney and Bonnie's band but The osbournes not a rock and Roll Hall of Famer because this elitist group of people who have just just chosen who've decided to decree upon the chosen ones. This immortality. Don't like Ozzy they don't like Judas or or bad company to which is Orange Theri manilow or the guy wrote the the guy in American bandstand and he's not in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Oats to get listen. We're on the Pantheon podcast network and there's actually A podcast that. That's what they talk about. It's called who cares about the Rock Hall and people who wanted to hear more about other people's opinions opinions about all this stuff even some of the people who are inside that committee to good podcast. Check out here on Pantheon. We're hanging with neander Paul on the imbalance history of rock and roll. Oh He's on the morning. Show a castle phoenix with the market. Neanderthal is that crazy every day you and market and things started for for Phoenix and It beats working for a living. You guys are in Philadelphia. I can tell you I never have to shovel my walkway in three in the morning. And and you know look. I've been doing this for thirty three thirty four years and it's a good way to make a living. Look anybody and I've said this to you before Ray and I know some people will argue but anybody. That's in radio. It was a failed musician. This is the second best job in the world next actually making music people. Ask Me Paul and I tell them the only thing I can plays records. Yeah I mean I if I had any the musical talent I certainly would have made it when it was an opportunity but then nineteen ninety-one happened and Nirvana got credit for kicking. Open the door that Jane's addiction opened five years before that and then allison changes made a bunch of noise with the tween in between so they actually made the noise and mother love bone was making all sorts of noise before Andy would died. And let's not forget that in nineteen eighty eighty four little band called the cult a common territory as hoping you would run little song called Sanctuary for rock radio. I aren't the caught. In the rock and Roll Hall of fame makes no sense. We probably would sit down and do all this so so. Let me ask you this if somebody were to have the money to start a rock and Roll History Museum and do a rock and Roll History Museum Hall of Fame Name And Make It a nonprofit type of deal. That's based on this type of stuff. Do think it would be more effective and credible than the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Institution Institution not the musicians of course and people need to understand. We're not slagging on any of the musicians because they are professional musicians. They are all masters at their craft after all great at what they do deserve to be they deserve to be where they are but a lot of founders as we discuss are left out. And we're talking about the the institution and the decision makers. I think what we're talking about is the sins of omission. Yes no and I think that look anytime. Music isn't a competition right. And I think what happens with any time you start giving award or are it becomes subjective and it gets we. Are you know the rock and Roll Hall of fame based on whose idea rock and roll at least when they award the platinum album if the recording industry of America or at least when they give out the academy award it you know the whatever the Film Academy whatever they call it Mitchell name bit so there's at least an attributed door you're somebody that has a source of credibility the rock and Roll Hall of fame is it just is what it is so let's just say it was like the National Recording Arts and sciences music achievement or something like that achievement achievement versus hall of fame because all fame means that somebody is going to be excluded and. I don't know that there's any right way to do it. I think what they're doing with the experience music project in Seattle. It's nice because it's a museum dedicated to to the local the local contributions to it. I think that's fantastic. I think anytime you start talking about competition. Can you know. There are certain things that we can all agree on. We all agree on the Beatles. We can all agree well. I don't know that we can all agree on the Beatles because there are people who get it don't like the Beatles acknowledge the fact that their the single most important musical artist of our time. I think it's your doc. You're talking about subjective opinions and the sensible mission is really the issue. I don't care who got in but I do care who doesn't get in and you can't can't ignore the obvious in your Post When we were talking about this you said unfortunately artists and fans are annually led to believe the fan vote matters to the fans hands? It's become a source of debate. That's not a bad thing. Keeps the spirit of music lively this year Kinda stood out because you had to artists who were nominated who led the fan vote and neither one of them got in have been a tornado tapping yeah. It is what people don't understand that I believe and correct me if I'm wrong because again. This goes back to the criteria period for induction. I believe at the panel of thousand votes right and it made up of some music industry people gun critic some members of the rock and Roll Hall of fame and the Fan but well the a fan vote out of all those hundreds of thousands or millions of votes that are cast throughout the five or six artists that they have in their only counts for one of those one thousand votes. That's hired to fill the fans. The fans are one one thousand of the factor to get somebody in so in that instance who care. It's a Kokin thing. What sock is it does activate a fan base which which is always good anytime we can sit here and talk about music and debate that this is great this kind of division in America that is welcome because it doesn't really mean anything and in the end nobody gets? Ah No just maybe a feeling to you know if you get personally I hope thing is about the metal bias You have multiple nominees is this year Judas. Priest's and motor head. You can make a case for soundgarden. Because that's how we first heard about him was when we did Metal Radio Paul and none of those fans got in and yeah. I don't know what the process will be with any of those artists or others in the hard rock heavy metal category. That aren't in but there's definitely the group bias for or or against certain types of music and services. Well then Nicholas back to that small group of people who are the final movers and shakers and artists in their club. It which is why I say. There's no accountability to it right when it's a blind process when it's a secret process when you go to the Conclave and you wait for the white smoke to come out of the staff you know you say to yourself okay. They've now decreed upon it. We don't know from what I understand and again I don't know this to be true. So this is all rumor and conjecture hearsay from what I understand. In order to be considered for the rock and Roll Hall of fame you have to be presented by somebody and sponsored by somebody like it's a motorcycle club or something like that or a knighthood and yeah somebody has to present you in front the Almighty people and then they sit in the room and they're all of Almighty sit back and go should we. I don't know maybe what if we made a donation to the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Oh yeah well like everything else you know. Money is the lifeblood of Societe from what I understand. There is a financial consideration or consideration fedaration for the rock and Roll Hall of fame just like well. Don't know this certainly goes brings us back to ozzy. This goes back to the pay. Place at certain bands get on certain tours is based upon their record company and or management and or some sponsor paying for that acts. It is my understanding that you can pay for access into the rock and Roll Hall of fame as well any initial consideration. I want to say to that thirty anything else. Yeah I love your perspective. Always you know that you never fail to To stir things up there Paul. No matter where you've been whenever we've talked this. This is the constant you know when you were in Sacramento or Kansas City. Are there in Phoenix. which which I hope you will stay there and entertain the people in Phoenix for a long time? No matter what it is you always loved to stir shit up and that's why you keep it interesting Bro. Well look music is a great thing. Look everybody talks about radio and music discussion. Everyone says it's not brain surgery. No it's way more important than this is the kind of stuff that he people from going nuts over watching the new. This music is such an emotional attachment. Listen to music music they listen to music or the connection and a and when you are connected and passionate about something anytime somebody flag your favorite band tribal like your favorite sports team your arms and you try to defend spend your fourth team which brings me to a closing thing that I wanted to hit you with and I know you're trying to wrap up. The argument between the band doesn't hurt anybody but when artist who has played the way at their crap for thirty forty fifty plus years right and their name on a nomination about Obama craff work or a band right the empty spot or band like motor at all of the in classic lineup of motorhead Argonne. You know they got Linda Ronstadt in before she's half which would the quality move on the part of the Rock Hall of fame but you and I both know a lot of these guy. I front going to beat here so when you see 'em see five who everybody but the rock and Roll Hall of fame knows are pioneers in a musical form. And they see their name on the ballot and they finally validation Dacian for our light work and then their Passover in favor of somebody who may or may not be deserving as that band irving. That's the key answer Sakib as deserving because of what they did in the door they opened we could go on forever about this but I know you've got to run to you. Just got off the Air Karen. Thanks for taking some time to talk about your view on the Rock Hall here. It almost sounds like the Who Cares about the Rock Hall podcasts? We've been going on about it but dude I just WanNa tell you before we get out of here and sign off. I'm GonNa go put on a copy of electric warrior. I'M GONNA kick back and we're just going to celebrate the T. Rex got in and I will go home and put on actually at home. I will go in my office. Input on a copy of electric cafe. And listen to Boeing boom chuck from craftwork and give my finger to Trent redner for not saying take my spot and give it to craft where deserve more than I do. He did just so you know when he was nominated he did say that. I do feel that if we get in without craft were getting in. I will feel very very uncomfortable. They should be in before us and he did interview. And I don't know if people realize this gangsta rap wouldn't be what it is without craft work that's a whole nother another day or wait a minute. We already did that. One didn't address Schwartz told us the whole story about that with school. He d. It was crazy how that Chris being in the craft work and working with school. How a lot of that stuff spun together was in our episodes? We did to episode interview with Chris Shorts from Rough House and rough nation right and hip hop wouldn't be where it is today. We're not prepared from Belli's choirs bands. So you know it is what it is this all ties together together for those people that don't think that hip hop Rasmin rocket does yeah. You're right Bro. You're right and Whitney Houston is the natural progression of aretha Franklin and Billie early holiday and Nina Simone and all of them as well and people fail to see that connection to unfortunate that we ought up in semantic So you know. I wish that everybody that deserving the bands and artists that can congratulate you for them on the rock and Roll Hall of fame or ignoring parts that it's been there and open in the door and by the way had those artists wouldn't have been a role in film magazine. There wouldn't be a rock and Roll Hall of fame. That's true that's where we're going to leave your brother at the my buddy neander Paul the mark in the Interpol show on Kfi LX mornings in Phoenix. Thanks for being with us here on the inbound history a rocket row you do wear Parkas when it's sixty degrees breath no marcus. I think that conversation could've gone on for another hour easily. There's so much to talk about that. We didn't even discuss I do crannies. We didn't get into all of our personal peeves and all that stuff but you know I think after talking all morning on his radio show and talking to us for a while. I think we got everything at all. I'm sure he's in the quiet room for the rest of the day. You could find him on the market. neanderthal shows okay S. L. X. in Phoenix every day. And he's always on the Internet. You can find him on facebook and stuff. He's a great follow. And you could follow us while you're there if you don't already do so on facebook it's the imbalance history of rock and roll on twitter. It's imbalanced his Co.. Without the WI. Thank you twitter and then of course You you can follow our personal pages as well Ray Kube Radio and Marcus in the darkest obscene people from the podcast. Showing up on on my on my so. 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It was a very scary experience and we're just we're just happy to <hes> be healthy and and have have have a weekend like this to look forward to and <hes> you know just try to get back to. I'm doing my job as a broadcaster and working with n._b._c. and all the things that you know we're excited about unhappy about in our lives <hes> ready to focus on all of those things you knew went on to say he likes racing one race a year and even hinted at potentially wanting to raise homestead next season saturday's xfinity series race ended with denny any hamlin taking the checkered flag but in post race inspection nascar than eating series director wayne on announced hamlin's car was ruled illegal and the eighteen car was found to be low post race so <hes> the double zero automatically finished in second becomes the winner of the race eighteen cars b._q. Hamlin was stripped of the win and the points that came with it and cole custer was deemed the winner of the race. Him did have a funny tweet though following the race saying hey coke. I have something that is yours and i'll meet you back in charlotte. Anne included a little trophy emoji with that so we had a good sense of humor about it. Despite getting being stripped of the win on sunday jones won the bojangles southern five hundred his second career nascar cup series victory and his first at darlington the wind comes as a relief for jones who has yet to announce his plans for twenty twenty jones's now in the playoffs for the second straight year and will join factly in the next segment to discuss those plans and the win. I'm kim kun for more on what's turning nascar visit m. r. n. Dot com you can also follow us on social media at 'em are in radio. Thank you kim coming up. I'll chat chat with eric jones and later our face to face interview with kyle larson. He's our autozone driver of the week presented by autozone. 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Stop gate jones track physician allowing the young driver ever to outduel kyle larson and claimed his second career cup series victory and i at the track too tough to tame on the road in the air and around the world we wieland trusted to be seen trusted to be heard and trusted to perform now back to your host mike bagley walking back to nascar live so glad you joined us on our our weekly get together and we are joined by the winner of the seventieth bojangles southern five hundred eric jones took the checkered flag in the wee hours of monday morning as the champion of this year's event any joins us right now on the hotline eric congratulations on winning the jangle southern five hundred my friend thank you i appreciate it. It's a fun on race. It's a long race and demanding race. Walk us through your five hundred miles there in south carolina sunday night monday morning so it was a tough race and five hundred miles is is <hes> no easy feat especially in track but <hes> you know. I felt like you started the race off and we were pretty decent. We just had a lot of tracks to make up. We started fifteenth if needs and just kind of tickets to the midway point of the race to get up their intention but you know really get pitstops and it's a really good adjustments coming through the field that i thought helped us <hes> <hes> a lot once we got got up towards the front and and started to challenge for the lead content for the win so <hes> you know it was <hes> it was a good day for sport coats camera was fast but <hes> you know it. It was nice to get up there at the end and be able to battle for it with <hes> <hes> kyle larson and bush and <hes> get to <hes> you know race to win so <hes> enjoy myself a lot. Obviously we had a great car but <hes> you know the sticker on there as you're working your way through the field. How much patience do you have to exercise. Even though you have a fast car or you know you can get the job done. But how patient do you have to be just to make sure that you can accomplish all that well. You know you you have to be patient but you got a lot of times three hundred sixty eighty seven laps around there so i knew we had time on our side of course upon and and <hes> you know it was just really focused on trying to make my far better. I was trying to obviously stay out of trouble and not get any damage on the car for example. Keep everything clean until the end but <hes> you know just took some time to get up there and get in contention but you do have to be very patient darlington. It's a it's a kind of a rhythm track and it's easy to get yourself in trouble so you have to be mindful of the polls on what was it like there at the cow breathing down your neck there at one point and then of course he made contact zac the wall and it thinks fell apart for him. But what was that pressure like knowing that you had a tough customer in kyle trying to chase you down trying to pass you by well. You know you just know you you gotta. You gotta be perfect. You know you gotta hit your mark and everything right and i think we had a fast car but <hes> you know he was there for a little while and knew we had to keep behind us. I i got out in front of us. You know really tough to get back so <hes> just trying to hit everything perfect. You know i was trying to save my stuff a little bit for the end and and no not push too hard so it's a balance but <hes> you know definitely put the pressure on and <hes> fortunately we had a a a good car and we're gonna keep going keep out of. That's the amazing two who you drivers. Talk about hitting your marks and you know not worrying about what's going on behind you. I mean you look up at the rear view mirror and he's sitting right there. How does one go about hitting your marks marks and being so laser focused on making sure that you hit the entry point hit everything you need to do perfectly in that span of laps while you just have to be on top of it you no. You have to really focus hard. Make sure you're looking at the windshield. Not not your ear and and kind of forget about those guys einstein and do what you can do. You know you can only make cargo so fast you have to tweet every ounce outside of it and if it takes you full concentration so <hes> he tried to push it out of your mind you know as much as you can. That's those guys behind. It puts the pressure on and just focus on what you got what you need. The fast chatting with eric jones winner of the bojangles southern five hundred at darlington raceway. We got done at about two a._m. Monday morning east coast time and and then now we turn our focus to racing at the indianapolis motor speedway coming up sunday in the brickyard four hundred. What kind of challenges does does the indianapolis motor speedway. Throw drivers way these days topping. Actually she plays in somewhere that <hes> especially at this new package. We don't necessarily know how it's gonna go. We have to kind of go into research and and figure out what we're gonna need out of our race car. You're going to be good be fast and learn more about this place with his faculties so <hes> and there's always a challenge. Macquarie's obviously you make tracking somewhere that will only go once this year so you have to really work on it and work hard to figure out what you need a how your race car to be faster and make <hes> you know every corner of the best you can do. You feel the sensation of the draft yeah for sure. I mean with this package. You're gonna feel it a lot more to i mean you got the big laid back punching a hole in the air and i think you're gonna see a lot of people getting. Some big runs on straightaways. Making big passes passes so it's gonna be tough to defend that especially on the restart and everybody's bunched up and out <hes> not trying to give up track. I know that it looks like one big rectangle. Obviously so you have your turns one or two three and four. We got long straightaways with with that. Being said is the track the same at every corner. Are there differences with ends of the race track or corners of the racetrack there. They are a little different. You know i'd say turns <hes> one interns three are pretty similar but turns four four and two are really different. You know they're kind of eight their own way and you'd have to really run a different line through each of them so it's it's something you focus on practice and you try to you know keep in mind what you as i started to those corners but they do have some differences is similar to track losses hail from the outside they they do feel quite a bit different. What's the ideal feel all that you're looking for their when in practice when that car comes off the lift gate you go out loud. How would you feel for you to run over four hundred miles. Well you really we need to focus on the exits right long straightaways. You don't have a lot of power anymore so you have to have to really focus on keeping your momentum there and making sure that you're getting a good speed down long straightaways. That's that's what i've always tried to. Focus on for. Indianapolis is is making sure. My car was handling well most corners and you're making the most of your time on straightaway and it didn't the most speed out of the car to cancel a few days. You obviously did a lot of heavy lifting last weekend at darlington your playoff. You're you're playoff chances. You're locked in you go to indy and then of course we're going to las vegas just to kick off the playoffs. What's the mood of the tenor of the race team right now. As you get set to run for a tidal that's great. I mean we've had some good runs and nice to finally tap it off with win. You know you've been getting close and you have been contentious few different tracks and weren't able to quite close down and get that window. It feels good. I mean to finally be able to get that out of the way and get some momentum. I met him on our side as well. If you want to hear that bovine amended the playoffs and <hes> i feel like that's definitely on our side now with that the win here last weekend. <hes> start playoff here after <hes> indianapolis is gonna feel pretty good with that one <hes> carrying us in there and your fans have been asking when they can expect to hear about twenty twenty any idea of when the announcement may come and things get buttoned up in finalized for next racing season pretty soon you know i think <hes> i think costs the state pretty soon and the focus within the next week or two. I'd be able to announce something here for everybody. We appreciate that appreciate your time. Congratulations on winning the bojangles go southern five hundred all the best indie and running for a championship the following week that starts in las vegas all right sounds good thank you that's very jones. 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Show though it's sunday money on dot com i soon spotify or wherever else let's talk cafo. This is nascar asker live now back to mike bagley. Thanks for joining us on this. Week's nascar live our coverage of the jangle southern five hundred over the weekend. You may have heard a conversation between very own woody kane and cup series star kyle larson if you didn't you're in luck. Here's the full conversation between woody and kyle l. from this past weekend over the last month. You have scored more points than all but four drivers and it wasn't so long before that that you're down on yourself you guys had had a technical issue a crash in practice a couple of things so what's changed racing little smarter and our cars are getting better. I think to which makes rayson smarter easier see. I mean had i not you'll probably crashed the hampshire yeah i i'd i'd have a lot more points to but yeah it's just been a good little stress our on hopefully we can keep it going and continue to make our cars better and better and and hopefully get a win you know getting away and would be would be really nice this time of year practically speaking behind the wheel. What is racing smarter. Does it mean it doesn't mean driving defensively doesn't know no. I mean just probably being a little more calculated i guess and and knowing your risk versus reward and so i mean cost myself a lot of points from being overly aggressive itself. Just she's trying to pick and choose. You know win to make risky moves. You got a special event coming up speaking of the the kyle larson showcase case coming up next week september second and third cycle and speedway near chico. Tell me about that deal. That sounds like fun. Yeah we've done that. I don't know about five years or so now. In in psych lands were group rayson. It's just fun you know it's it's a way for me to give back to the outlaw karts scene and put up a good purse for the kids race four <hes> i call your kids a lot of my age or older yourself a half but <hes> no it's just fun and the biggest race a year out there for them so it's it's cool to be able to promote that and and like i said bring bring money in your generate money for the track and the teams and things like that i was looking back through your social media and i saw all you tweeted the other day you finally binge watched season one of stranger things you're you're like three years shaved you into doing it and what you think people have been telling me watching watch. It and i'll probably finish it this weekend but i've got four episodes left in season. Three's caught up and but yeah i mean it's just not something that i'm typically into like i i hate size and stuff like that but yeah i just realized that net flicks and stuff like tv series not long ago and i i like watching all the narcos arco's. I've watched all those we went to new zealand in the off season. He had a long flight second. Watch a bunch of them on ozarks stranger things though is it's cool and i and the kids are hilarious. I think that's why i really enjoy it. The other thing i saw was you posted a picture of your. You're joking your first. I racing setup and it's an old wooden chair in in front of a computer. Is that accurate as you learned. All that yep yep saint chair looks like your surprisingly enough that chair we have. I can't remember the picture if it had it in but we have like a nice cushion on news. It was nice but yeah back when i had like a cheap steering wheel and all that but i mean i had lots of hours sitting at that desk. When i was home schooled. I'd get my homework done in one day for a couple of weeks that i had to do it and then i would just race online all day every day and that was the carrot. Get your schoolwork done early right. You got lots of our stand on online racing. The other thing that jumped out at me is seeing more and more pictures of audrain and owen of course your kids but now going through being apparent for the second time. What kinds of things did you learn the first time with owen that are helping you now with audrey laying. I don't know oh i didn't i didn't think too much of anything with owen and after like we don't do this don't do that either with with audrey so there are two totally different kids but at the the same time they're both hyper and all that so we got the experience but that but she's really sweet and sassy though at the same time you know she doesn't get her way she he can be real mean so come from auburn dan. I say it comes from mom. I'm just laid back all the time and nothing nothing really bothers me and i don't get stressed out or or worry you too much water run for kyle larson leader to the back straightaway and pulls away by two car lengths over martin druick junior. Let's finish up with this. We're headed toward playoff time. So what lessons have you learned from this format over the last few years that can help you this time around because some guys approach it real cautiously guys say man go for it. What do you think don't have that look. That's basically up until last year. I mean that's how i'm only playoffs had been and <hes> i've only ever made it through the first round once and i was last appear so avoid trouble. Really you know don't don't get a d. n. f. or anything like that can you can usually get first round. <hes> okay even the second around. I think you could honestly just don't need to run into any trouble. Ever you know once you once you get the n._f._l. I mean you instantly know that you have to go win so it just makes things difficult but yeah hopefully hopefully this year we can just avoid trouble and and getting a great you know to help to help move to the next round back to what we said at the very beginning. Do you feel like your team misconduct peaking at the right time now heading into playoff season yeah i mean i felt like years past. I feel like i feel like about this. Time of the year is when we kind of taper off and kind of flat line but this year i feel like we just have gotten continued to get better each week in in you know i feel like we're getting closer and closer to getting a win. You know every every week weeks so i'm excited about that and excited that the playoffs for only two weeks away because <hes> hopefully we can we can capitalize on the momentum that that was what he came and kyle larson's great stuff right. They're coming up. We'll get an update on the cup. 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Welcome back to the playoff racist tight in the monster energy cup series which even features a tie for the final playoff spot heading into indianapolis this weekend nascar today middays cow ricky is here to break it all down for us. This sunday's race at indy marks the final race of the regular season which means needs only sixteen drivers will continue their championship on among those drivers will be already crowned regular season champion kyle busch who has won the brickyard four hundred twice in his career when he was rock solid all day long and for the second time in his career kyle lincou victory lane as he picks up the wind in the ticket guardian five hundred nine away kyle is among the winners this season who are already locked in which also includes defending champion joey logano denny hamlin kevin harvick martin true junior last year's brickyard four hundred winner brad keselowski chase elliott kurt busch alex bowman and this past sunday's winner at this southern five hundred at darlington eric jones homes. Gotta be probably the top when my career. I mean the first ones big. There's a lot of wins. I've had in my career. I feel like we're really special with this. One is is got to be at at least tied for number one for many. I mean five hundred race is the top three and you know to get a win here this early in my career it. It really means to me. I'm not a hugely emotional guy but it definitely does belong to me. The sixteenth and final playoff spot is up for grabs among a handful in full of drivers currently ryan newman is tied with daniel suarez for that final spot with six hundred seventeen points india's a a place newman has won before says they feel good about where the rat gives me percents of confidence to know that i'm capable. That doesn't mean that we we are capable and that doesn't mean that the other guys are some other guy is going to not victorious and take away a spot so we <hes> we used to have to go and do our job our business as usual usual and <hes> you know just the best possible which we've done at this point and it's got us in a playoff position so i. I know that we need to change to be better. We also need not change too much to be worse. We want to win. You wanna walk herself. Stanley worry about bundy's other guys. Try to race away in points wise but you know we were just going to go out and do the best job with possibly yes. There's in lots of different ways to look at the map of <hes> you know scott graves did a great job making some playoff points <hes> sorry stage points for us in the race bristol off that made better <hes> and you've got to look at those situations to when it comes to a place like this where you get somebody sets the tires and you might you might need to stay day out. Maybe get a few points clint voyeur. Hold down the fifteenth position in the standings. Just three points ahead of newman suarez in seven-time champion. Jimmy johnson is currently eighteen and outside looking in now. I mean it's the story i get it. I mean believe me. I want to keep my playoff streak live and then. I want to be a factor in the playoffs so i want to know what the outcome is but it's not that i want to hurry up and get through it and have a go away. I mean i i wanna race. Wanna get out there and earn another victory and my way in these playoffs what we're all here for so we're off. My optimism again comes from. I just know where this team is right now. In a no words going and and unfortunately we don't have any more time left but we're going to finish the year strong and that brings me a lot of excitement regardless help playoffs in his eighteen year cup career johnson has yet to miss the playoffs backed fourteenth place finish last year and the standings was his worse than this career. Thank you kyle and speaking of jimmy johnson over the weekend woody came found his new crew chief cliff daniels in the garage and the two discussed racing at the brickyard where jimmy has won four times indianapolis its own beast like no other track that we race all year so what are the particular challenges from kuchis perspective expected to make a cargo fast there. There's a lot of raw feed that you have to have built into your car at indy especially for this package <hes> such a tall spoiler such a large splitter order from packages that we've had there in more recent years so that's where we really get to have fun relying on her are air dynamic assists in our body guys to get the cars trimmed out just have a lot of a lot auto speed built into them. I know the race plays out handling in traffic. It's pretty <hes> critical but <hes> the more you have the higher you get to qualify in the more you get to keep your trek position so that'll be the name of the game for us. Is there any other track that you can really take things away from that. You can apply there is that it's its own beast yeah. There's a few obviously always with the the previous packages you could always draw some parallels between pocono and michigan as well you know more recently on on the schedule for us so we're definitely gonna dig into those notes and and the way those cars the bodies and everything are built their <hes>. Are there any particular strategy elements there that are unique to indy compared to some other tracks rex yeah for sure. It's always interesting to see when guys get off. See comes from the leaders really just wanted to play the requisition game. Never know <hes> win and how cautions are gonna fall. <hes> can can always bank on on the run going along there so <hes> depending on where your position is. I know we the forty eight the last couple of years when we've lost requisition we're actually able to get it back just just by being aggressive being off sequence of leaders and then caution scholar way <hes> so so there's always different ways to play the strategy <hes> typically. The toyotas are really fast. They're you know and and they can have a very linear strategy for keeping track positions saint upfront so <hes> a lot of it just depends on how you qualify how your position is and see what plays out at attract like that. It was designed for open wheel cars. Now you're going to try and make big heavy stock cars. Go in there and turn and still have some speed what kind of limits you have a what you're able to do in terms of just the dynamics of the call your previously with the other packages there was always a higher concern of tire wear and and just the laptop fall off than there is with this year's packaged they typically. We've seen at intermediate style tracks that are fast again like pocono in michigan. There isn't a great deal of tire fall off and i wouldn't expect there to be great deal for for indie <hes> so they're just going to be a really heavy importance on having the ross be built into your car again with the body and everything turned out <hes> play this game and <hes> handling and traffic is always going to be tough so that's where you just gotta stay cute in which a driver needs and mika right adjustments one of the things about that place and all the drivers always say for some reason. It's so hot there. I don't know if it's the way the air circulates or what it is but they all talk about it and we've seen guys fall out of the seat there before when they get out of the race afterward. What kinds of extra things do you do for driver comfort at a place like that. There's always some small things we do with just getting airflow inside the car with his drink system his hydration routine. I will say i'm very fortunate that <hes> we have jimmy johnson in our car 'cause he's. He's good with his fitness program staying. You know well nourished and hydrated so we do what we can to try to keep them comfortable and <hes> he's. He's such a good job on his own with his athletic performance <hes> like i said we're glad to have thanks good luck at ending thank you that was jimmy. Johnson's crew chief daniels and our woody cain coming up dylan welsh on twenty five years of nascar racing at the brickyard and later richard childress address racing's xfinity driver tyler rennick joins us. I'm manda venedetto drivers number ninety five precor toyota camry on race today. You can save a ton of fuel by drafting in the pack but you'll never win. 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The voice of nascar the nineteen ninety-three cup surrey season had more than its fair share of twists and turns checkered flags wave and i look in my mirror ear and hear of earnhardt right on my tail goes down low the pass me and i said oh no. You don't hear stories that you never heard before. Four part series called the nineteen ninety-three season davey was behind me and we came up corner and gadsden in the middle. You can download it for free on. I tunes ended. Emma dot com right now. Hey guys it's dylan welsh tyler burnett co host of the rip the fence podcast you like traditional non wing dirt attrac- racing you've got the podcast for jameel trying to drive away with can't do everything but i could do anything and everything i want him before i got injured so just like many any of a great podcast going we invite racers in to talk and they tell us their life story and it's how i feel it matters. It's a rip. The fence podcast available on 'em are in dot com and your favorite podcast motor racing network presents building toward a championship presented by pro core sunday. Hey at darlington. Eric jones fended off the best in the sport to win the southern. Five hundred jones says to win a championship. You have to beat the best including any joe. Joe gibbs racing teammates. You know it's just a tough series right. You know we're in for most challenging motorsports. There are in the u._s._a. And racing these guys every week week is not an easy feat and kyle and my teammates or some of the best guys in the sport not only kyle denney <hes> martin they're tough to beat and they have the same stuff i have and you know vice versa the same stuff they have but they have a wealth of experience on me. Building a championship is presented by pro core whether you're a d._c. Especially contractor or an an owner pro course construction management software is built to help your team. Stay on budget on schedule and in control. No matter what you're building pro core can help you finish ahead out of the competition. We continue along on this week. Nascar live so glad you're with us and the monster energy nascar cup series will be with the fans and the folks folks at indianapolis motor speedway. It's been a staple on the cup. Series scheduled for twenty five years names like gordon jared earnhardt elliott and others. There's have all won. One of nascar's crown jewel races there at the brickyard dylan welsh calls carmel indiana home which is just north of the speedway at a suburb of indianapolis annapolis easier to recall some of nascar's greatest memories in indy. It's already been twenty five years of the brickyard. Four hundred considered heard one of nascar's crown jewels winning it india has always been special the biggest baby of his career here at the end the motor speedway a._g. Foot was the first to ever turn relapse a stock car at indy. It happened on september twenty fourth nineteen ninety-one. When then track president tony george allowed foyt who was filming a commercial at the time to make a few circuits george himself even turned a few laps in june of nineteen ninety-two tens of thousands of spectators showed up at the two and a half mile oval to witness nine of the top premier series teams test with the hopes of one day running a race at the brickyard bobby labonte was among those who tested that day yeah i was part of that and i mean it was you know obviously hollow ground and the yellow shirts were crazy because they didn't want us there or they were. It was different for us in different for them so it's not like they didn't want us there. It's just different so yeah that was that was a fun task to be part of rusty. Wallace witness gracia the ear. I never went there and we lined all the cars up and coach. Les richter was there and i went up to coach and i said coach. This is kind of important me because of roger penske's heritage cheer victories. He's had now impor. Indianapolis is to him. I would sure like to be the first guy to drive on that track and he's like well. Everybody else wants to be the first guy to drive in the track nestle. What are you going to do. Sawai think we need to look at this numerically and i said okay well. There's no number one. There is no number one there that day. I don't think so he the <hes> he said okay. I'm going to let you be the track. I am so earnhardt was lined up right behind me. I know it he he was mad earnhardt. One of the first guy so man on airfield we fired up up and drove the miller drain january draft two-car on the indianapolis motor speedway. It's official. I'm the first stock car the ever set foot on the indianapolis motor. Speedway is the first guy so the old racist back in the day to somebody might have done it too but in a modern history yeah i got to do that and it was really cool and i remember coming through turn one and turn to accelerate down the back straightaway and get down into trey when i hear i'm hearing all this noise on my what is going on and i look up and here's earnhardt. He's driving hard as he could. The tires were cold. He's never been around the racetrack in his life and he's slipping and sliding everywhere. I said that just hit me. I said that's son of a gun wants to be the first person to lead a lap at the indianapolis motor order speedway raced him through turn three and four and he beat me to the start finish line so he got out of the car and he said okay you you might be the first car ever set foot on the indianapolis motor speedway but i was the first guy to lead a lap mark martin and his rouse racing team was also in attendance attendance these cars this racetrack rectangle flat flat and then of course we rick and i need my race. Cars need to be reconciled. We were putting on a mock race. Which there was no call the tear anything yeah and more russian on april fourteenth nineteen ninety-three president of nascar bill france junior announced the inaugural brickyard yard four hundred would take place on august sixth nineteen ninety-four from nascar standpoint and the driver's car owners and the sponsorship hip corporate corporations that are involved with our nascar western cup series. We all look forward to coming in annapolis in nineteen ninety four but this is a great milestone. I think in the nascar winston cup nascar history we look forward to many years to come the inaugural brickyard four hundred was won one by jeff gordon as heard on the radio network on the fate of the record breath vote on closes in but the youngest driver in from the field so late them home jeff gordon pittsboro indiana upholds the owner of the hoosier state and win the inaugural brickyard four four hundred the pittsboro indiana native went on to win five brickyard four hundred jimmy. Johnson has the second highest win total at indian. The cup series winning four brickyard four hundred 's other other multi time winners of the race include dale jarrett who wanted twice in is also credited with beginning the tradition of kissing the bricks after his nineteen ninety-six win. Indiana's native son tony stewart won it twice in two thousand five and two thousand seven and kyle busch also has to brick yards for twenty five years. It's been a nascar tradition and two thousand thousand nineteen. The stakes are even higher is indie marks. The cutoff raise for the cup series playoffs. Not only can drivers earn a berth into nascar's playoff in indy but they can etch their name with some of the very best to ever win on nascar's crown jewels. Thank you dylan and by the way dylan's going to be racing at the indianapolis motor speedway himself over the weekend. It'll be competing in the bbc thirty nine usak midget race in the infield of i._m._s. If you're in the area be sure to check him out wednesday and thursday nights coming up we'll hear from from defending nascar xfinity series champion tyler rettig and tell you about our newest podcast series coming to emma dot com fifty years of the motor racing network schools back in session donaldson. 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We've continued. Can you show <hes> in our strengths and and that's to overcome any kind of adversity. I feel like <hes> especially especially on those weekends that we have the most. Those things stacked against us. We're still able to overcome them and and have good finishes and put ourselves in contention to win races so i feel like excuse me sorry <hes>. I feel like when you get those moments in the playoffs. That's where our true colors really gonna come in and show <hes> but also we've just had decent speed at all these race tracks and that's made it easier here. Fresca consistent <hes> but we're working hard and we're hoping we can break through and win here again. Shortly piling up those playoff points as you know is going to be critical. Are you of the mindset now that we we gotta get as many points as we can still go out and try and win every time obviously that gives you the most points but stages also give you some points to pad that playoff total does and that's where christopher's really hurting on the rest of the xfinity garage i feel like is he's done. Him and his team have done a great job of qualifying on the front row almost every weekend it seems like and from there they've been able to really capitalize is on the stage points and i think he's racked up thirteen fourteen sage win so that's where i live. It's come from you know we've. We've won three four. I think so that's where a lot of the gap is his his his come from. I feel like obviously he has ten more points from winning two more races <hes> definitely the state points have really came in and helped him accumulate relate a little bit bigger gap between us and cocom sir disqualifying something that you'd really like to see a a step forward for going down toward the end of the season or is there anything else that you're thinking if we could just do this. It would really help us a lot yeah. I'd say you know ever since we went back to single car qualifying. That's been an area. We've been eating approve on. We've just not been able to hit our a qualifying offsets exactly we want to we'll hit the track <hes> more times than on a little bit too loose but we've been working on it to try and make that better and and we've made some progress. We've actually qualified better courses than we have at places. Where we've we've had more speed <hes> oval so <hes> that's that's helpful. I think we're going to get closer and this weekend very important to qualify good. I feel like you can come back from tenth and win this race ace but as a place role in you're going to have to be able to qualify up front and get those easy stage points in the beginning of the race because you you know if if you go too many races without collecting stage points <hes> you could you could run second third every race and you'll still be losing massive amount of points to to the competition. That's our c._r.'s tyler riddick and woody cade. We told you throughout the show that is getting set to view our newest podcast series which will be released based on september seventeenth. The subject of the podcast series will be about us. We're celebrating fifty years of nascar coverage motor. Racing network has been on the landscape since one thousand nine hundred seventy. It was a vision of big bill france. He wanted to promote nascar racing particularly at daytona and talladega. 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Jeff gordon wins the daytona the five hundred for a second time but before i go any further <hes> i like to recognize man who never never for lead up on his efforts to win his eighth championship. Dale earnhardt is it true competitor and a great champion and at this time i would like to operate toast to the man dale great effort man. Here's a male inside. He makes contact. Thanks rusty about cubs. Gordon out of checkered flag and jeff gordon is going to win the food city five hundred or myself elf tired of racing with him. I mean everywhere. I turn he was in my way are passing the finally get under my skin but he was a big rival with me. No doubt about that. I i was tired of the race with and then we looked at by nine two thousand ten or you know as we get later into the tar run in our success. I think people can see there definitely was a change in our relationship and it was really because of competition and jeff and i had some talks about look this isn't this this is an easy situation for either of us and i knew then and still still say so today's even harder for him <hes> but we kind of one point along the way said hey look you know this first. This is work. This is racing. It's going to be what it is when we're done racing and hangar home. It's up you know everything's just fine but but for now we've got a got a separate certain debris and just go racing and worry about herself. You can listen to all the previous episodes of them are in presents jeff gordon the colorful career the rainbow warrior wherever you find your favorite podcasts. It's about time to wrap things up on another edition nascar live but before we do here's a look at this week in nascar history with suzy easy armstrong. Thanks mike throwback week. Continues as we return to nineteen seventy nine the rising aunty disco movement inspires radio uh-huh stations to ban the genre and while fans were turning in vernon their whole disco albums and flared jeans. That's new eighty sound took america by by storm as their one hit wonder my sharunas topped the charts fledgling network e._s._p._n. Debuted the concept of a twenty four seven sports channel and wily veteran david pearson showed him that he had gone out of style filling in for the injured dale earnhardt and driving the number two rod australian chevy to victory in the southern five hundred at darlington raceway david berson coming down the buzz driving the ostlund monte-carlo other and the decade flag <music> out at davis part bird south ghana wednesday third southern five hundred and one one storeyed and sale earnhardt's up the bulk of mome and he dolder mcdonald's drive a car that i'll be happy to and now here in darlington the the thirty seven five hundred nineteen ninety-five tim mcgraw is the listeners choice on country radio l. without like it. I love it. The rock and roll hall of fame foundation dedicated their permanent home in cleveland ohio. The carolina panthers were away from home for the franchises. I regulars season game. Losing to the atlanta falcons in overtime and jeff gordon made himself right at home in darlington victory lane now being the win in the mountain dew southern five hundred the champs first of seven at the track too tough to tame gordon off the corner now earnhardt doc the coroner wallace moves off the quarter all three setting up the entrance and a turn number three jeff gordon is on his way for the checkered. They'll deal with the car of terry. Low body interred number four gordon comes back to the skype win number six of the year and as i went at darlington two thousand six american idol's popularity propels daniel powder <unk> outer single bad day to number one beloved crocodile hunter steve irwin dies tragically while scuba diving near the great barrier reef. The national football league turns a page as roger goodell takes command is commissioner and casey. Kane took control of the action in southern california. Passing fuel-starved reed lead sorenson with a lap and a half to go winning the sony h._d. Five hundred other clubs speedway because you have a bad acid spluttered and died on the back straightaway the candle come up short reed sorenson reed sorenson fuel cell comes up dry that hands the lead to casey. He came off turn number four dodge. We'll get its first win at the california speedway checkered flag and a sony h._d. Five hundred belongs to casey kane and those those are just some of the events from this week in nascar history. Thank you susie. We appreciate that time to get on outta here for this week folks. We thank you for joining us. I like to thank also eric jones for stopping by also our thanks to kyle larson flip daniels tyler reading. I might bagley for the rest of the crew will chat with you again right here. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Rick Krim - Current Nominating Committee Member
"Hi everybody welcome. Who Cares about the Rock Hall? A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Your host joke was Allah. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I think that will suit me for this episode with me as always as someone who doesn't really care too much but to her dismay she has absorbed through my toasts through halladay myself have divided and now. I Care a little bit more about their call. It's kristen shuttered. Hello Kherson Hello. Hi Special episode. I know I can't believe a very special episode. We have a former MTV and vh one executive with us but most importantly for this podcast a current member of the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee and someone who also helps to produce the induction ceremony. Rick Hi Rick. Thanks for having me. Thanks for the INTRO. Oh yeah absolutely. Thank you so much for being here and talking to us. Current NAM COM member Is this a first? Second Second Seymour's technically. He's on the bar. Their Seymour Stein has not only. He's on the committee but he has been. He's a legend right. Yeah still is is he in. He's so well Rick. Let's get in getting it. I don't think you know I mean Landau got in this year so maybe members will eventually get something else on his resume. I think helped with that as well. That guy well sort of boss Rick. Let's just kind of start off. Let's talk about your background before you got involved with a rock and roll hall of fame just kind of how you got started in the music industry and kind of what you are known for. I got started. I got started at MTV back in the early days of MTV. I got started because I was a kid who grew up in central Pennsylvania Always wanted to get the music. Business had no idea how to get in the music business and But I was also good with numbers so I became a I went to college as an accounting major and I went to college. Speaking of Jon Landau. I went to the college. I went to Bucknell University which is about thirty minutes from where I grew up. I I went there because I saw for springsteen there when I was fifteen on the born to run tour. Okay change my life. And you're like oh he's GonNa go to college. They're GONNA do that guy sex so I didn't you know the famous Landau Line. I've seen the future rock and roll. And His name is Bruce Springsteen. I've seen my future and it's gotta be gotta do something really was a life changing experience for me. But I didn't know anybody. I got a job at price. Waterhouse IN PHILADELPHIA. Out of college as a first year staff auditor. Which is about as low as you could possibly get on the totem pole. My my last job at price. Waterhouse was literally counting nuts and bolts at a manufacturing plant in Altoona Pennsylvania. Wow incredible lives I went to my best friend's wedding and May of nineteen eighty two ran into a woman from my hometown. Who hadn't seen in years who wasn't even invited to the wedding but crashed and said she was working because she was working at MTV to the assistant to the head of the head of programming. And I I believe that conversation went. Mtv like the about nine months into MTV and I was living in South Jersey. We had we had it on our systems actually had MTV Because when I'm to be launched most of America didn't have it but I was obsessed with like anybody else was I. I'm sure I said something along the lines. How do I like? How do I get a job there? How do I get in there? And she's like well. I think my boss is looking for a budget guy or something to that effect. So she got me. She got me an interview. Thank you Joan Myers and I went up for the interview with. Less garland the legendary One of the first exects their head of programming a legend miss all show business was in his was using out of his skin. He was that kind of guy and I think the interview went. Something like Bud Meyers thinks. You're cool let's do this. Hey that's a yes. So I told my parents I was quitting. The prestigious firmer pricewaterhouse and their dreams of seeing me on carrying the suitcase on the Oscars were shot. You hate to see that when when your child tells you said. I'm going to go work at this new video music channel in New York City what Yeah so I started there actually started at MTV on the the day after the first birthday of MTV okay August Second Nineteen eighty-two as business manager MTV as a twenty two years old and the time there's one hundred people work there so it was able to stick my nose in all business there when artists came up at music meetings. Anything they let me let the finance guy. 'cause I was finding I was wide eyed and young so after badgering them for a couple of years and finally they let me shed my suit and they moved into a music. Talent area about three about nineteen eighty-five where I was in charge of. They had all the people. There were the roles. Were to The people in the town but the record companies between them. You're the liaison. I was the Indy Label Guy before before any labels were indie label a big turn any labor for basic like. You can't get anywhere else. So we'd better go to an indie label. So the first two videos actually played on MTV. Where the smithereens blood and roses clash and they might be giants. Put your hand inside the puppet head. I had a feeling it was going to be. They might be sadly so. Those are my two that I made my mark on and then ultimately moved up through the ranks. There stayed there till nineteen ninety-four so I went through the hair band era which was a lot of fun. I went through the GRUNGE era which is a lot of fun and right about the time with the real world was starting to hit. And after twelve years of kind of nonstop action I needed a little breather and saw the music wasn't gonNA become if it wasn't going to be no twenty-four music. It wasn't a twenty four video channel by that point game shows other things but you know it was changing which which happens and then ended up going to work at a Music Publishing Company which I knew nothing about music publishing thought it was sheet music but I always wanted to get involved in the in. Our side signed signed bands. So I've gotten I worked there for six years and ironically replaced. I took that job replacing John Sykes who was at MTV who is the new now the current it all talk all ties back in. Is The current chair of the Rock Hall. John is the guy who moved me out of the accounting area into the music talent area and then replaced him Eddie Music Publishing. When he went to go left there to become president of vh one and then six years later he brought me back to vh one to be head of music in two thousand one to two thousand fourteen and now full circle and kind of working for him again. Yeah look at that So yeah stated. Vh1 for thirteen years. I was head of music at a channel that was very much like the old. Mtv and then reached a time in two thousand fourteen head of music at the channel. That's not replaying any music so I'm not sure this has a much more long term Benefit so I made a move took a slight detour to record company which I never done to check the. I wanted to check that box and box checked. I like to call my internship but on the label side and then got my boss. Itt. Emi Publishing Mardi Bandera is one of the Kings of music publishing. He was now running Sony Atv Music Publishing and he brought me back there at which Bakshi moved me from New York la something. I swore. I'd never do it right very happy. I did when did you move here than those just hours ago. Two Thousand Fifteen thought. It'd be a Lifetime New Yorker never had any interest in move out here now. I have no interest in moving like. Oh this is really all that honestly and then stayed there 'til Mardi left Mardi left about a year ago. Sony look at that is my opportunity to kind of do something never had the balls to do which was. Kinda do my own thing. Take advantage of all the relationships and all the years in the business and pretty diverse resume and try to do my own thing. So that's what I'm doing. That's why I can come out here. Time exactly perfect. Yeah so you've put in the time in the music industry having dealt with musicians and bands and that I assume what makes you qualified to be a part of the nominating committee? I'm it's Yeah I mean the Nice thing about MTV H. One was we were. We always read ourselves as Switzerland and away because we didn't have anti with very few exceptions. We didn't have adversary relationships with anybody. we were there to help you know record. Companies fight with artists and managers fight with their. You know there's always those kind of strains on the relationship we were just there to see what we can do to help people We broke a lot both channels. We broke a lot of artists and labels loved us and we developed greatly ships with artists and managers some utilizing those now and happily Most of them remember. So you would have been at MTV when the Rock Hall started. Yes it is that something you have any memories of Just I went to some extent I got to go to some of the early shows the Waldorf. Yeah which was a you know as a as a fan of music it was Obviously great in the Waldorf has a completely different. There's good and bad about the fact that it's now in a big venue produce and it's produced for television although we've conscious of making it a great event for the people to as well right but Yeah it was. It was just different. I mean the early days there was no TV so it was just loose and kind of mass. But in yeah exactly and you felt really Wrote privilege to be in this bunch of guys in Tuxes and packed into tables as tightly as you could be packed in and there's room with these icons that you've grown up with standing in front of you which was for me. Pretty Amazing. I mean there's I'm sure artists they never got to see before that I would never obscene. If it hadn't been for going so I just you know I was happy that the companies I worked at would buy tables Yeah we're trying to get our company to buy us a table that we're company. I two I can I can. I can point in their direction. When you're when you're ready and then it'd be h one. There was a period. There were actually aired the show. So that's that's where I really got more involved with the production itself So that would that that would have predated your involvement in the nominee correct. Because I think that I'm trying to remember the nominee committee from what I understand you. You tell me in twenty twenty or maybe two thousand nine. Okay I've been two thousand nine. Forty two thousand ten ceremony. Yes yes that would have been it because the two thousand nine nom. The nominating meetings happen in the fall and the ceremony happened writes the following spring so it would have been for the two thousand nine nominated meeting but I don't recall the years of VH1 had this show via had lost the show by then Lakers minute. It was at fused around then Brian. Ten of as an eleven and then two dozen twelve was the first. Hbo Why got when VH1 had it. I would be involved in the whole process of helping to put the show together with the production team and then when vh. One loss. That I did that George. Costanza thing where he got. He just decided ski. Come into work. Even though he didn't have a job I just stay. I just kept working on. It didn't really bother telling anybody I just stayed on it even when I tell their networks. We're you voter at that point. Like part of a larger voting body is somewhat of a path of being a voter I. I'm pretty sure I was. I don't remember exactly what I became voter but probably wouldn't start working on the show because obviously there's exponentially more voters than there are members of the right. I mean committee. Do you think it was your involvement with the production of the live. Show that then got you into the nominating committee Not necessarily I just I lobbied for it. Oh did you. Also we call it. The NAM NAM insider term we call the Non Com. Something that I had a lot of passion for and Okay did you lobby with like Joe Perez or Jon? Landau or I lobbied. Just me with working. Those relationships at the network out there was value. I could add to the nominee committee. I felt there was maybe some genres music that we're not being fully represented that. I was personally passionate about what? What's your genre of choice? Or what did you feel under-represented prog rock all Euler rummy? I have no guilty pleasure because I feel guilty about nothing. Yes you know. I'm a card carrying member and they all know it did rush get in two thousand thirteen team. So he's he gets on and we start. Start seeing results. I mean the the frontier that you were on the nominating committee. Genesis got in. And there's another another boy. I wonder if that's yeah I again. So there was that but also the hard rock and specifically metal was underrepresented metal particular. By the way I still feel I still feel that way because if you wanna I mean a lot of people blur the lines between what's met on. What's hard rock if you really WANNA talk metal? Bands in metallica Black Sabbath. Yeah absolutely and there's other very worthy artists. That are not in yet. That hopefully will get in. Yeah we've had some passionate metal advocates on the show recently because we covered the ballot this year artists by artists would bring in fans and advocates for each artist and hard rock heavy ballot. It was it was. Would you would you point to any of the artists on this year's ballot that you were particularly excited or were advocating for? Yeah okay all right let me tell you. I think we'd be people say who they like. Have LOBBIED FOR I. I've been a big supporter. Judas Priest Feel like there's a had supported them the past and supported them again. It feels like if there's going to be the next heavy metal index. Yeah there's always priest made in both of which are extremely irving eight and hasn't made the ballot yet but you know th the band's as far as all the criteria that people look at I think Judas priest checks all those boxes So great to get him on the ballot again. I wish they had Made the cut but hopefully I think some people are surprised and saddened that. They have and chat to keep trying. I mean some of these things. How many natives the second twice okay? And when was the first time to get to two years ago? Listen I've I went through it at a different with like yes. There was another one that I was a champion of and but it took. You may know more than I do. How many times? They were on the ballot but actually took at least three or four times. And you know just you can't give you can't say I didn't get in a lot I'm gonNA move onto something else right because you don't really know what is keeping them out if it's particular competition ballot or for do you never know something in the air honestly in just kind of the. Zeitgeist that can you see that? Make a documentary about them and then there you go. That's the well it was getting. It's amazing there's a bunch of acts to over the years that made the ballot and then they get on the ballot and they zoom right in You know that an F. nominated it's in the DOOBIE brothers. Yeah this year there and this is their first nominee. I you know I had supported them in the past because I felt they were of always felt. They were really deserving and again I I kind of had the instinct that if they get on the ballot they're going to do really well. Saint Louis Apple Chicago. Same thing happened with E. Elo same thing happens Steve Miller. Yeah more mainstream kyw's staples but at hadn't jeep trail. They all that year particular was very heavy because it was cheap trick Chicago. Steve Miller offers him on the ballot all gut in immediately which is interesting because we often talk about. How like this year? There were so many hard rock acts nominated and so that might have split the vote in a way like everyone couldn't just rally behind you. Pres behind motor motor head or whatever people were kind of splitting up and look at it. I've heard that argument. I've used that argument. I think the The other case. If you're a hard rock you could just vote for all them too. Yeah right but as when you're voting as you know people vote for five five artists so act day that gets a lot of votes and the other for acts that you're kind of in the hunt for getting those votes as well there's no movement you have to do better than the others so voting for one. It's different when you've only for five. Yeah it's nice when there's just one lane you know that if the hard rock act gets in it's GonNa be the one that's on the ballot or you know the more we have any proof it's announced classic rock is the One Genre that doesn't apply to more mainstream radio radio radio friendly recognition. They're more mass appeal I think most of the people in the committee pry grew up with them and all those actually just talked about have tons of songs that people love and yeah I think it also kind of the the stereotype of what we think of as quote unquote rock and roll is. We're thinking often of classic rock radio and I think that so people are like yeah rock and roll man these bands reaction this year that I got a lot was. I can't believe they're already in. Yeah Yeah because you would think face my mom. We're waiting for their fiftieth anniversary tour. I mean this was strategy. Twenty five years ago. He said you know they're going to Tori fifty years in McDonald. Let's wait until then. Let's put it on the back burner telling them to be in their seventies but there. I'm excited they're in and they're very excited to be in. Yeah it seems like a nice thing for them in a lot of bands. I don't know if they are one specifically but it's funny to me every ban. That isn't in believes. There is a conspiracy theory around them. Not Getting in and then they all eventually get in any way right and there is none. That's one thing I can tell you that there is no conspiracy theories spiracy theories about not getting it like it is truly every classic rock band where it. Jobe had one was like well. We're not want yawn winners boys so and they even took stuff out of the museum they were. They were pissed off by the way. Nobody embraced it more when John got in nobody he and he which was great like he like so embraced the moment and brought people out like he really made it special Which is what we love everybody to Trent Reznor this year Trenton has a. I mean he's started doing music in Cleveland and also he is a convert recent convert from last year. Because as we know he he was someone who was like. I don't give a shit. Who Cares we find that a lot of people have that attitude but even the UK axe especially the rock hall is an as prevalent in predominant over in the UK as it is here but I think last year I mean there was five. There was no American British fans women's female solo accidents and five British. And I actually table where I was the last year show. We were next to the table. That had Trent. And Ed added Phil from radiohead and a huge radiohead fan. And obviously we would have loved the whole. Bantu have been there the year before they were a little dismissive of it already had a date book. They booked US South American year. This year. This the vibe was more respectful but still not sure they quite got it. Well Yeah but I sat. Those guys stayed the whole show. I can kind of. We'll see I was watching them watching the show and you could tell that they got it when they got up on stage and gave speech. I think they didn't know they didn't know really what it was all about. Actually got there. I mean I've had some other artists say well you know we do award shows well. It's not a little different. Yeah it's a lot different it's not the AMA's yeah no disrespect. Are you involved at all with trying to get the artists to come out like if there's resistance we all are? Has Anybody that has a relationship. I mean there has listen every year it's different. There's certainly cases there's famous cases artists didn't come to their own inductions. Of course you know I think for the most part I think but this year certainly we're expecting all the other living inductees to be there which isn't many three three six. Six part of it is even. If you don't believe in the fans want you to the that's part of the pitch is you know fans really want you there like this is something to yeah. Yeah whether they decide to perform or not. We always super for people to perform We've had artists that haven't performed that came and then regretted it afterwards again. I think it's more just. They didn't really realize what it was. I think Joe's favorite part of last year's ceremony was radiohead realizing that it was a big deal He may have shed a tear When it happened but like that because that's his whole pitch for the Rock Hall in general is like you don't realize what it means like right. Yeah if you know anything about it it it goes against. I think the general idea the general perception right. It is a and we're trying to you know we're doing everything can to try to change that. Yeah good so. This year's ceremony is going to be potentially a little different right. Well it's different in the sense it's live right taking a four plus our show turning it into a three hour show. Yeah how you GonNa do that. Talk Real fast real fast. I actually have a question about last year ceremony. Something that we noticed was that it seemed like the speeches were shorter and that the band got to play longer or like if you last year spoke last year with the exception of design bs one person really spoke for each Bryan Ferry Roxy Music Robert Smith for the Cure Joe spoke for DEF Leppard Solo Act. Yeah you know that's something. There was a conscious effort to try to make that work now. In some cases there isn't it all three of those cases particularly with the cure and I think roxy music it was Obvi- those were the DEF Leppard is definitely more of these guys have been together for a long time but that was that was their decision. They have certain a lot a lot at amount of time and I think they made the decision to have one person speak and use that time. Then try to divvy it up and the other guys you know. It's it's all case by case other guys were okay with not speaking They usually joe to be. The Guy chose the front man of the spokesperson. So but there's going to be there certainly other cases where I mean. There's an example where you where everybody wants. Roger Com Blonston. They both been in the band since nineteen sixty four and still active so I think they each one of their their opportunity to speak so it varies I think in the you know the same thing with the live show. You know they'll be. They'll have a a window of time that they have that we hope they will adhere to You know it's it's live so you never know what's going to happen. A working theory was that you know bands could choose whether or not like how to use their a lot of time versus if they wanted to play for longer and speak for shorter or is there like you know everybody gets a half an hour. Everybody gets twenty minutes or it. All varies and every year is different than how many are gonna the ratio between like a full band or a single person or a lot of a living or deceased so every year is is different. I mean it's just the fact that it's live the share. It's it's exciting. It's a little daunting as the word. I'm I'm kind of glad we're trying to get into fresh in it for try some new things. Yeah are you going to try to produce it? Like a typical live award. Show like the grammys or the Oscars or something. I don't know I don't think listen. It isn't a typical award show or something so glad you keep it. What what I love about that show is how unique it is and how special it isn't it doesn't isn't we don't it's untoward show. Thank God you know and I to the to the point of some of these actors. Say We don't do award shows. Watch fine this is not an award show. This is celebration right on a recognition of long career of impacting. The world was your amazing music. Yeah I've described it before as a a word show where every word is a lifetime achievement. Right which a much better sounding awards you know or you know. Much more exciting Edgy Kennedy Center honors or something that you know those things that it's not just somebody decided. Hey We should give this guy award to get into our show. Yeah exactly this is something that has definitely earned and meaningful. Yeah it's also interesting because you can cut so much when you're doing it like we impose you can cut so if someone goes over someone makes you a bunch of off color calm and it is h. Get Away with some things but yeah I listen. We're going to have to be depending on people to not boring but you know we'll be very clear about what the what the guidelines are time constraints and we'll hope for the best you know part of the beauty of live. Tv is you never know what's going to happen and will be Will be prepared okay. We have production team knows how to do this stuff really really really well so I'm glad that you said that. The core of the show will remain like that. You won't try to turn it into something else. Which I think is good because there's a lot of value to I think what the induction ceremonies do given that. It's a live event that will have to be. Seamless is the idea of like a host to cover up. Those seems or transitions. Something you guys are considering. I don't know if that's necessary to throw his head in the rain album my schedule. I think there's other ways to do that. I mean they've done the host Louis Oscars and stuff you know. Yes so I think you can do it without never had a host as far as I can remember that women's voice the Voice of guys. She's I love her voice. Okay so there's that was a rumor. I had heard that that maybe a host was a potential option. I would advocate. You probably. Don't need it. There's plenty of things you can do to fill to fill those the transitions and I mean the packages the little documentary things. Yup those are to me one of the most fun parts about the serum. Absolutely so my see one. I could not give a shit about a band and then I watched one and I'm like wow. They really have released so much like convince me really I have. It's very sad for me. Why don't we take a little bit of a break and then we come back. We'll get more of an nitty gritty of Rick Crimson with the inductions. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. We hope you had a nice break. We hope over your break you clarified. What What is really secret? What is secret? What is not secret? Okay so let's get into the nitty gritty of the ceremonies. And we can. I know there are things that you can't discuss about possible ceremonies coming up. We talk about it in the Lens of ceremonies past. What is your title actually? We'll find the show. Yeah like at the end of what roles. What what's your team. Shoot sizing producer now. It's more of a consulting more of a consulting role Actually don't remember the exact there is. There is one credit page that had several of us that are working on the show on it. Yeah I don't remember the exact term I don't get hung up on Titus John Award Show. We don't get hung up on titles. Would you say that your role is to kind of pitch in and help in that kind of aspect or are there certain things that they rely on you to take care of every year yet varies and we have a small team? You know really a core team of maybe four or five people. A lot of it is. Who's got the relationship you know. I have a lot of those relationships. So it's talking to one of the working with one of the inductees to try to get them talk about song selection the other things. I can help with that. If it's you know trying to find the right person to induct them if it's trying to find a person to tribute You know a little more of a booking function. Yeah I do a lot of that again based on those relationships but a lot of times. It's like who's got the best relationship. Yeah they'll be the point person and I work closely with the whoever's produced the producer director of the show last ever since I've been doing this has been someone I've known it's been a couple of different people but it's people that I have no. They've actually both the person who's doing it this year and the person who did it for the last five years and people I worked with at both MTV and vh one is Joel. Gallen and Alex yes. Okay is a gallon Dune again? This year Joel is producing again this year. Alex the last five joe did like seventeen years before that. So these are guys I mean. I talked to the both my way over here today. Yeah so it's still very close. You know with Joel. I have been talking to. We talked daily and brainstorm and this great text on text on weekends. And it's just a constant convert. You know there's a constant conversation going on. Tell speaking of Song Selection Guehenno Ban like so like Roxy Music for example last year. You know they opened with what in every? Homa hardaway dream home hard. Hit An interesting mix of actually fan. I thought was pretty cool. That they went. They went a little deep. Did a medley. And the that was that was that was their call. No push from the production team of these are the songs I mean. Obviously you want to courage people to do the songs that the audience is. GonNa WanNA got. I want to hear but within a you know if you have a certain timeframe that you have to work with you know. Somebody wants to do to very long songs or five songs into a madly. It's it's it's a mutual discussion but we at the end of the day we want. We don't dictate to the artist. You have to do these three songs or you're not doing the show. There's there is none of that okay. I know it's a. It's a collaborative effort that usually yields positive results. Did that get cut cut cut from the roxy. You know I think they I mean because Roxie ended up playing. There was a medley with three songs and then they did did five total right. So there's those three songs which was avalon more than this and love is drug and then they played a number of heart ache and then they played editions of you out of the blue. Nothing will be cut this year. That's what it's GONNA be so different cousin so you know. Let's say a band plays five songs like normally in the you know five hour ceremony. They're going to cut it down to three so that yeah so I think you'll still get the same amount on the television show won't be cut. And obviously this'll be rehearsed and we'll know barring Elvis Costello and switching switching a song at the last. I don't think that's going to happen. Started a song. Yeah I think he was playing less than zero something that he started playing radio radius. Sit Stop Stop. Stop. I can't do this great. It's great great moment classic. Tv was banned from SNL back. Twenty years later. Yeah okay. So That's interesting in so you have a little bit of involvement also on in terms of who gives the speech who in ducts them again. It's up there all group. These are all group. The nobody's making individual decisions. Can Room discusses this stuff work where it's a handful of people. I'm assuming that's you Joe Perez men is Landau involved in the ceremony itself. Get you know I know Robbie Robertson name up there but it's unclear to me how involved he is. He has been in the past actually which was throw for me because as a big fan I got. I got to work on a show with Robbie Robertson every year which was great and You know we develop a nice relationship. Should see his documentary by the way which I saw a couple of weeks ago with a band. There's a document about robbing the band. That is pretty fantastic. I love that. It's a great film. Just a little plug. We'll obviously okay. So yeah there's kind of a small selection of you guys who were working together to all these things happen. In the way I mean. The producer director is ultimately responsible for the show itself. But we all contribute. We had hoped last year. That the David Byrne inducting radiohead might give them a little bit more reluctant members radio so did way yes way. Listen every effort was made to try to get them all there even if I kind of assumed even though I would have loved for them to play I kind of assumed play them. Performing was probably a long shot but was hoping we wouldn't get get them all there and here's a question given that going into everyone kind of knew that they weren't gonNA have to be. They don't know we certainly try. Effort lot of efforts were made to try to get last year. There were seven inductees and I was curious. If the likelihood of radiohead not performing had something to do with the larger than normal class okay and then I mean one of the more interesting and kind of unique aspects of the hall. Are these jams that they do at the end where the early days word literally jams ca? You play the piece for jam the other day from waldorf-astoria jam. Yeah I mean like in those first five years or so where. It's almost literally one hundred people on stage and Paul. Shaffer is running around with a Keytar wasn't a televised show and it could be a lot of people it was it was looser. There's good and bad about that. You know yeah it's a it's certainly a thing to behold yes watching those old jams. But I've got to imagine that along with the other aspects of the ceremony is something you guys are thinking about possibilities with. Yeah we always do always do it. Depends who the inductees are. They suited for that kind of thing. Who would be the right band like last year? It's not white deaf leopard closed but leopard made a lot of sense to close because they're Big Arena rock band and they've big songs but we figured they you know they did all the young dudes right at the very end and that seem. It wasn't your typical jam. A few other people joined in we invite. Everybody invited to join ops guys from this little Stephen Think Film Anza Narrows Everybody's invited we realized. It's not for everybody. It's not tell people just are not going to be comfortable coming to Janet was going to do it But we ask everybody to do it. And they're more than welcome to but it depends. You have to have the right act to do that with Yeah right and then there is there a little bit of just in terms of logistics. The headliner is kind of the foundation of the JAM group already up just from a strictly production and logistics standpoint to at the end of a long night. If then you have to do another change over to another ban. You're GONNA you know you risk losing people. So that's why it's it just makes sense to do it that way. But how involved are you with their speeches both the inductors and the inductees me personally not not as much. I mean we have a creative team. That's something the producer director will get involved in that We the speeches are usually on teleprompter for them so that we do see them in advance. I think it's even for this year. Probably more important to see them in advance. So you know from all the discussions go once. Once the inductors are said and for the people getting in and there'll be discussion with the market. Here's how much time you have right now in the past. We'd say if you go along don't worry about it. Will Edit it edit post. But that's a different discussion this year. Sure I also always feel like there's always at least one or two artists who get up on stage holding their piece of paper that out. They wrote backstage then. They're like putting their glasses on. They're taking them off. They're looking at the paper and they're not looking at the paper. I'm talking about but also other ones in the past two there have been so many. Where like a person will bring up their paper and then they're reading it off thing. I feel like this year. That's not gonNA fly. Get it together guys again. It's live TV. You never know what's going to happen. Dr Space What they want. We're going to have it as well rehearsed and buttoned up. As as we can is there we have her we've postulated or maybe heard that sometimes a performer will not perform even if they are living and capable if the hall is not able to meet their production value requests or like that of Janet Janet or with Who Else didn't perform radiohead was was. They had no but wasn't it? Oh we talked about where it kind of feels like. There's maybe a willingness on their part to perform but to do it their way which goes beyond the production the production -tations of all of the ceremony. Where you need to clear things along with Janet. We did our best to try to get her. Perform We would love her to perform. She had a lot going on at the time as well Vegas residents so despite we had all the right people talking to her. Sure it wasn't just us. It was people that she's very close with. I'm sure how much love we we recruited you know her her her inner circle as much as we could because we jam is inner ear. Like come on girls and everybody would have wanted it. We would have loved it. You know she thin today opted not but you also gave it a thought. She gave a great speech of a speech. I thought it was really emotional moment and I think that's what people remember from it. Nwea I'm trying to remember. I mean obviously we. We would love for them to perform. We ended up doing the Performance I try. There's no performance for that. Yeah I think what? Ice Cube has said. He said it on Stern. He was like we had some we wanted to do. They said no. And we were like all right which leads me to believe. They had something that you have to fully. But Yeah I mean you have to do it. Within the parameters just has to do with the artist or anything else or an unwillingness. It's just there's only so much when you're doing multiple acts A. And that's the thing people don't bring their if someone's on if someone's doing a vegas show you can't. You're not bringing that Vegas show to the show. You have to do it within setup and it's not it's not intended to be all about a big production with a lot of effects and everything I mean. There's great lighting and screens and things that we do to enhance the performance but at the end of the day. It's really about seeing those people do those songs it's not. It's not supposed to replicate their concerts. Right which sometimes doesn't resonate with artists themselves. Unfortunately I'm in I'm curious. Was there ever a discussion of doing kind? Like what Madonna another person does like a tribute to Jim? Ed Wood she was. She not amenable to matter. Just drink them you know. I don't think that was it. It was just a matter of you. Know if you're going to do that you want to aim really high because you can't. It's hard and that's not an easier than by the way that's also. I mean Janet's because it's so much about the production with her. You know even to get somebody else to do it. That's GonNa take a lot of work on someone else to come in and set the piano and sing a song you hire dancers kind of level of artists that you would. Nour's like Janet deserves to do that. You know it was. It would be a lot involved in that so and we were holding out till as long as we could to see if she would actually perform so you can actually go out and put together a week before the show. Of course again I think cheated great I think she delivered on her speech and that was really special moment and then I have to ask a question that is spent sticking in my craw for so long I will absolutely. It's my biggest biggest like beef with the hall. Right now is that there was no aretha tribute no live aretha tribute and I am. I'm still so salty about it. What happened You know it was definitely something discussed the challenge. There was already been a number. Obviously a number of a wreath attributes done. I forget I forget. Actually what she passed. What the timing of when she actually passed was let's just say there was plenty of time to put together but there's also been a number of other true a lot of other tributes and. I wanted you. Don't want to go back and try to reach right. What had already been done and a lot of those places shows had like the kind of artists that you would want to do that so you want to. You know I'm just like it's I don't know if there's a right answer. I'm over here just like Chris Cornell. Not even in the hall gets a whole Song of his done. We got you know. Glen. I mean is wild and people who've gotten tributes and she's the first woman inducted into the hall she is so iconic and so important and it's like I was so disappointed I was like there's going to be there has to be a tribute to her. There's GonNa be a trivial. They're going to get everyone in the world there and it's going to be so and then I was realize a lot of those of the people that are on that list already done they had already done tribute feels maybe like a retread. Let's a very well aware that she's the first woman to get in and how important and iconic she is so just like thank you so much time to so many other people who are so wait. Do it right and have the level of artists deserves. Then that's those those who would make the tough decisions. I do too big package to said I know. We use the her version of amazing grace and she got like the last like screen. Grab on the on the Memoriam but I was like yeah. She deserved more from the hall like she was so important. I was I was very disappointed. That's a now now. You know I understand your position I understand. The position can't outs I mean I do understand. It would have been sad if it had not been an incredible just like all out Banger of because you have to. You don't want to together. Yeah you don't want it to be level version of that for the Rock Hall absolutely not. But I was like. I'm like they've got Janet they're lying gentleman ALMANAC. They're like this could really be something. I'm like you know Michelle Obama. I keep saying that I want to show much. They're just they're just they're on stage near them at the piano. Yu-gi-oh leash accuse. I mean you had the the Nina Simone tribute. It was very beautiful and done before. I'm curious about and this might be something that you have. No knowledge of this singles category things done the past. It was cut out of the broadcast last year. I'm curious if that is our indication that it is not long for this world. I would say that okay. I would say that do so. So we might be getting a single category. This the show is still being Put together again. There's a once we know who's coming. Who's doing what who's got what songs are being done. Then you allot your time. I'll enjoy Joe. Joe Gallons responsibility to put together a format for the show. There's going to be you have to find some things. Interstitial things to to fill in some gaps and so forth you know so I think all things are still being okay. I'll register my. How should I put this late? Let Your Voice be heard. Stand up and Sing Joe. Tell us tell us how you feel. I'll just say that if you cut it. I don't think the ceremony would lose any. I absolutely agree and it would bump me out if like something else got less time. So that will stephen could talk about. What songs are essential bar band songs? I like the concept of it at least songs that you know. Maybe the artists will never get him but the songs are hall of fame worthy is valid concept throws in Eisley Brothers Song. And you're like Steven. What are you doing was live because we were at the ceremony at the ceremony? Last year he was screaming live bid he literally wet. What is the point? He was so mad because we we have thought. I thought the first year of the singles category. It was actually done pretty well. Yup Pretty on board business choice and there's plenty of other songs to choose from that are serving even went so far as to draft of what songs we thought maybe would be including the next year and we were so episodes to fill so off in a way where we were like. Oh well fuck this. Nothing matters like there is no criteria that you can really look to if it's going to be bands that are already in advance. That are just that little. Stephen likes it really feels like his thing. I would like it. Maybe if there were more people voting maybe there's more of a process to have a more of a consensus from a lot of different voices but when it kind of feels like bands that could be played on little steven's underground garage and series the value of the cabin enough. It's quite to that. Extent would never put rapper's delight in the singles category. Even though that's one of the ones Eisley should that's how I don't disagree that that's a song that because you know Chicago. Gang SONG IS CONIC. Important is a good single vagrants. The quintessential you'd never a million years. You don't know that He. I don't know that fucking Sam and Dave Song I don't know I mean I will. I'm focused in other parts of the show. It feels like that's not your your jurisdiction. Let it be known. I'm curious because there was a rumor but it proved to be untrue that the ceremony. This year was going to be in a much bigger venue than the public hall. But it feels if I'm unless I'm mistaken the Public Auditorium and Cleveland is where the ceremony is happening. As far as I know it is which to me. Seems like a small venue for an event of this magnitude especially for the city of Cleveland. That gets excited. Have you actually been to it and like I said I love it there? Okay when it's you know it's much smaller than the Barclays. It's actually what official capacity as it's a historic venue. It's I think the Beatles played there. I mean it really is. There's a lot. There's a lot of history in that room and it feels like there's a for an arena. Actually feels kind of intimate okay whereas sometimes when you get into the giant places something you can I'm not I have nothing to do with the venue selection. I'm I'm I'm glad it's there just as a fan. It's just feels another some kind of energy in that place at work than is there like spillover viewing places or something like that. I know there's like this in Cleveland. They have a separate screening room. I think at the hall itself at the Rock Hall at the Museum. Do they do a concurrent event where you can make sense? I obviously haven't been able to just be watching it. Live sound having a livestream just going to be on what? I'm assuming is HBO. Max Given that I think that's the new. Hbo Thing that is doing streaming events yet again now from what I understand. Now we mentioned him previously. Because you're you're tight with him. John Sykes is the new chairperson of the hall. There are so many different little positions within the hall whether it's the CEO Joe Perez Mun or the person who's running the nominating committee orders the Hoagie. Whatever had to Greg Harris? Who's the CEO of the museum? And then there's the then there's the board and then there's a chairperson of the board. I'm wondering if you could. Maybe you have absolutely no idea. There's just so many different seemingly very important powerful positions with Sykes as the new chairperson of the board what that means potentially like going forward do with him at the helm so to speak also is he really at the helm. What does anything? Well he's formally. I don't think he officially started the first of the year. If I'm not I could be wrong about that. And you know I mean Joel for like Joe Perez. His he comes into work everyday his. He's working on rock and Roll Hall of fame every day and he's got a focus. It's got a real fulltime job. He's the CEO of the Rock. I think it's called the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation versus the museum. Yeah right so that's it's not just about doesn't just revolve around this event. He is working on it on things year round and they do. There's a lot of other initiatives and hopefully. It'd be more initiatives that they're doing greg obviously responsible for the museum itself. The most clear one to me. Yeah I get that China. Get a mental org chart going Paul. He's got up. I don't WanNA show his room because he does have a big drawer with string. He's got no car push pins. What does it all me? John Lewis John. Obviously has another job. Is it a senior executive at Iheart? He's been a he's been the nominee committee as long as I have been on before I have been. He's except I've known John. Since nineteen eighty two. He's passionate a music guy. As I've met my time in the business and still is to this day as hard working. It's his enter. Like I remember my energy when I was in the early days. I've still pretty passionate. I don't know if I have quite the energy. I did John. Still does your. He's a force of nature So I'm actually excited to see what he brings to this. John John John Legend and the opportunity to work with you on while he was while I was doing it was great great. We develop a nice relationship and he was you know he respected my opinions on things and the pliers comfortable giving them to him. Okay you know I felt I felt like they were letting me letting me into their world. So someone like that that is an icon in this business was was great to have that experience with. I think Jon will bring some new energy to it and some new excitement and you know I think because he's in the current artist business. I think it's going to be important to bring current artists. Not just for this. Obviously for the show but other ways to engage current artists in in Rockin Hall of fame. Kind of functions. I think will be important to continue the legacy of the hall and make sure Stoke continues to be vital on just doesn't fade away over time right. Yeah that's what that's what I'm excited about In order to keep the hall a Living Breathing Change. There are some really great. Whitney and big tributes. That's me personally just putting it out there. I really hope that our live and awesome and that that's the goal that we fly all of New York to Cleveland and forget it poppin on stage. That is really what I'm hoping we. We're on the same page. I think too. You know it is the this way in all aspects of society but so much of this business trades on relationships and trades on who you know and who you identify with and who you've known since you know your whole life and stuff like that and you just mentioned Seven names and they were all men and they're all white. I'm assuming tell me if I'm wrong but you know and it feels like so much of it. Is your friends. Hire their friends? Hire their friends. Hire their friends. And you like the people who are like you and I mean it makes it. It makes its own boys club whether it was intentional or not. How are you guys working to diversify that to bring in more women and more people of Color and stuff into these big executive positions is hard understood? Yeah probably not the best person to answer that. You're not necessarily exactly uncharted. No I have no no. I'm not I am one of the guys that's But listen the nominating committee has his face. The nominee committee has changed a lot. Since I've been on it it's gotten much more diverse. There's always still room to grow but it's it's I would look back when I first joined. There was forty some people. You needed camp out there for a day for that meetings. There's so many people in the hoagies if you're gonna be there good good. There was this. It's hard to tell you but I know it's okay to say it's a Hoagie to say that. There's a big long hoagie. That goes down the middle of the table. Shatter your shatter your chatter. So it's what I but I've seen it just a you know as a participant observer how it's changed over time and obviously a lot of when John took over. That was a question. He's been asked a lot probably defer to him to yeah to answer that but I'm confident that it's not something that is taken lightly the irony. Is You know you hear a lot of times? A lot of it's not only about the diversity of the the actual committee members but the nominees the inductees and go to the big female artists who have gotten lobbied for the nominee me and come from you know it's it's not just women pitch man. Yeah I don't believe that I mean like in the executive function of an organization it's going to inadvertently be affected by the makeup of. Who's at the top regardless of what's going on in the middle row regardless of what's going on at the front facing part in the ceremony for example but it's it's kind of like who's at the top and it's I mean I have empathy for the for the concept of like you want to work with the people that you trust and you've worked with for a long time and we all just have to make concerted efforts to do better and be better so if you could deliver that message the message. I have a feeling that message has already been delivered and heard like I'm not a member of the board so I know they'll probably make efforts on that side. I would say that knowing John Wells I. I can't think of anybody more qualified to do this job the job. It's kind of ironic beaten sort of working for him again after we've always stayed close but work and I'm excited about what he's going to potentially bring to this so I'm intrigued by. It's going to be alive ceremony. I just like what is this. We had Joe me watch as many lives hair. Monet's as he could get his hands on like I said we have a lot of episodes fill and so I cannot imagine. How is it going to get cut into? You have a really big job on your keeps it exciting where we talk about it every day. I like it. Too because you do not seem daunted and I think that is that gives me calm. Prison show talked to Dr Joel. He may feel differently but now I think that any good. I don't WANNA speak for him. But any great producer director likes new challenges thrown out. I think I don't think anybody just wanted to well. Let's just do the show the same way we've been doing. I think the whole you know a lot of this with John John. Coming in and like how do we take the show and I mean I've loved all the shows we've done nothing. Alex did an amazing job in the five years. He did the show and loved working with him. So I think it's there any reflection on that? I think it's just how do you without trying to like be like without trying to be like one of the other shows? Yeah that's something we're not we're not trying to go. Let's try to be like the grammys or the The AMA's or the billboard. Awards vm as. It's not that at all. But how do you just continue to try? Some new things and live. Seemed like I really instant instant way to all of a sudden chance. The whole vibe right off the bat. So it's a drastic way to shake that just as a starting point that that forces you know bitch makes you change your way of thinking. So you a question. So what do you think of the inductees this year? I feel like it's a solid class. I'm happy to see different. Not Just genres but arrows represented After radiohead did not get in their first year. I was a little worried about in in that year is a very like every inductee. In two thousand eighteen had been eligible for a very long time. I was worried that the hall wouldn't be able to consistently remain current would get a little stuck in previous eras. But when you see this year we have nine inch nails and we have notorious. B I G and Whitney Houston those and even think like depeche mode how artists you had significant work in the nineties. All four of those had wide array of genre and I think the Rock Hall is at its best when it is representing different facets of music. I think that's important. I was a little dismayed that I really thought pad. Benetton would be a slam dunk as my biggest beef. It just felt like she just seen. We did our job. You GotTa Watch. It is the first year on the ballot and I. I would certainly hope that the same level of enthusiasm that went into pitching her last year will will happen again. I would serve the advocate that she was just GonNa. It seemed like a slam dunk. Cushy is like she a classic rock artists in the mold of a lot of those artists who are snubbed but then get on the ballot and then get an immediately not to mention. She is a woman and the hall has struggled with getting the proper amount of female inductees in. So it's like Oh this is gonna be a layup. She's she's classic rock. She's alive she story. She'll perform be stopped. Me When I disagree you know and so that that was a little certifiably rocks. I mean there's no argument there so that was a little disappointing otherwise I feel pretty good. I mean I thought the ballot was really wanted. Chuck a conduct in this year to that. There's you know somebody's fault. Longtime there are a few artists where it just when craft work and Rufus. And don't get in you. It's expected at this point because of we can try and for Tri C. Five someday there the three yeah. She sheik was like that for a long time. And then the Nile Rodgers. Because there was so much more to them than just she felt like it didn't feel like we better get him in some really thought. He was very deserving of that because he doesn't so much beyond chic that that does put a lid on the chic nominating. I think I don't think there's any she probably. You're probably correct correct. Let's get carole king on as a not as a performer. And I would have when it comes to the ballot. It felt a little light when especially given the kind of the cultural conversation. It felt pretty light for women inductees zoo. Who would you have wanted to see on there? That wasn't on the ballot goes would've loved to see. I think there's time there's a case to be made for Carly Simon. Yes I think you know. Turner Solo even bands. That aren't fully. Just women like the beef twos. Yes four the EURYTHMICS. Or even banned like the pixies that at the very least is an all male or joy division slash new order. Which if I can if they can get leave with one thing that you remember is that if joy division comes up it has to be joy division slash New Order. Difficult to actually do that though. Canyon faces in the small faces were inducted. Delic was nominated together. It's got the receipts. It's very important because if you just induct joy division you don't you're more or less inducting new order without the woman which is the bad that would be bad understood. Also I. They're the same band right. Obviously they charged with a different name. As you know the music industry I will say listen. I'm encouraged what the cure getting in last year and Depeche mode getting in this year. That's that's a lane that had had been under represented and I think that's opened the door to all I used to be Joe's big snub and so it was very very exciting last year. Was I'm curious if you guys think because obviously the next up in that lane would probably be the smiths and I've been on the ballot before twice but I wonder if you guys think. Oh that sounds like a nightmare just given that they don't get along and more sees national if that is something that occurs you like we put we get depeche mode. They we know they perform. Everybody loves them. They're great we can ensure their performance almost one hundred percent but with the smiths it is it is a hole dire straits though you have to remember. They do not care. I'm sorry I didn't mean to take the answer for you. But how great would it be if dismiss actually came and performed a right? Yes you're you're you're you're not playing. The I know who knows you don't you don't think of the live show when nominating now and I think I I don't think you should because I think that's and I will say that it's something that is hammered into our heads. It's like don't get so caught up in in part of the past. It's always thinking like that but at the end of the day. You're putting your doctor people because they're hall of fame worthy then you have that. It's your job to job how to how to make that into hopefully television. It's not like what it would be good television and let's back into that way that's tempting yes emptying but it's not it's not fair it's not right okay. All right and that's just maybe my but it's a it's a balanced too because you have to. It's become the ceremonies. Become a big deal and you want to be thinking about what that could be and I had these fantasies like. Why wouldn't it be amazing if the smiths actually reunited on the Rock? Like how Great. Happy if they renew the rock fame but what happens wastes as eligible eligible for the first time this past year. They didn't make the ballot would they? You know what kind of part of parties like guide. We should nominate him just to see what happens. 'cause well but I don't think that's the reason I say that kidding kidding have serious. Because there's an argument to aid that Oasis Hall of Fame Worthy. I think they will show up. Yeah I mean in the sense that they will not they will physically show up on the ballot. You'll strongly that it soon enough. They will be on the ballot and not everybody has to be. You know I get obviously. The nominating committee is public knowledge for a long time. I don't think it was public knowledge. He was on the nominee committee. It clearly is in print now. Yeah and people now so everybody gets worked around. The clock hits twenty-five certain certain calls and Wow is it. Is it like being our people for your consideration like campaigning. You yeah listen. I two CDs in the mail. Career retrospectives their box sets. The hall gets a lot of fans. Vote coming to them. I mean that's a conversation if you ever get to talk to Greg Harris that. He's the one when he sort of represents the hall he always brings up like who the people that the fans they have. This they have the thing at the hall of fame where you can actually vote for Greg. Bring that up at the meetings. That's part of. His role is definitely to make people aware. I mean. He hasn't necessarily influenced the choices but which we saw this year because we thought last year I mean the top two names were Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks and we were thought. Okay does this weird kiosk at the museum have a lot of sway and then the next year it was a motley crue and blink one eighty two and while it was like Freddie Mercury Solo was like what is happening. The people don't listen. I think everybody does. I mean I'm I'm I'm a numbers guy the stats and like to see what the Kiosk Pat. Ben Atar does every year. The Fan vote is well Yes she was she. Was she number two after after the Dave Matthews Band runaway? Well I'M GONNA put a Matthews active and has gone Zach passionate fan so I would have been surprised if they matthews didn't win the Fan. He's got award tours without a doubt. The Horde tour no travelers traveling tour in the nineties. It was like their Lollapalooza. Kind of thing. That's okay Chicago thing. I think he'll sit out here. Remember and I guess my last. I don't know if it's a question but more of just a suggestion put to you. If you have any sway in getting people ballots to vote on you. Might you know maybe you have some new friends who think about this stuff all the time and are probably thinking about it more than anyone else in the country which I love and respect and appreciate all say is that we want the people that vote to feel as passionate about it as we do Yeah a really care and not just yeah I take I take I take it seriously. I get excited when I get ballots. Still have other friends. Who who are voters? Who Do it and they don't post my vote online. I keep I keep voted to myself but some people are so proud of you know putting their instagram valid. And here so I voted for and they wanted out there Yeah we've talked to people. We've we episodes where we called people I think. Actually I broach that to you and you're like I produced the ceremony. I can't tell you not but yeah we've talked to people. We have pressured people change people's valid. Better Yeah Yeah we have. Who Got Chochana vote? This year. I got Janet One last year. All right you want her best and listen. It's it's it's more transparent than it's ever been to the degree it can be and you know there are people that not that. The voting list is made public but there are people that vote that publicly. Go out and say you know. I think it's different to talk about it as a voter as opposed to certain things that have to a little more discreet about my role but I think those are people are really excited to do it and feel like they. Have you know one or two votes can make a make a difference? I got it really is. It's like literally you're like on the nominating committee. It's like you can't be thinking about what the show is going to be like. It's like the nominating committee is voting in the primary and then the general action is what everybody gets their ballots and one or two votes can really make a difference. I personally love the ballot. This year I think the ballot it was a great dominated meeting the ballot. We came out of there with you. Know had a little something for everybody and also as hard rock band it was. It was strong. Got a lot of chases there. It was strong. And you know we'll never know could be. Maybe there were too many. I don't think there's any hard evidence to point to that it's just you know. People can theorize If you clear lane for hip hop maybe clear lane for heavy metal. You know because we feel like the lanes cleared for a couple of years ago when priest was on. Was there any other thing than the heart? I don't even remember who else on that ballot that year. I mean I guess. They're going up against Bon Jovi. They're going up against a lot of kind of classic rock artists. I mean Bon Jovi Moody Blues Demonstrates Cars. God I really did not enjoy that here. I did not enjoy what sixteen on the ballot this year. Creek they all deserved to be in In my opinion I'd say with one exception for me but that would be and that would be the MVP or man. Dave not not. You know honestly. I think you'd be ever now. That's that's that's how I feel. I'm not so that's okay. Then he is hall of fame. You know maybe you're saying he doesn't have to be first or second yes. He's eligible last year. This is not everybody has to get on the first ballot. Yeah I think it also is just odd to me given that the other artists contemporaries that I think would be more worthy like say a backer smashing pumpkins or ABC for Dave to get on the ballot before they do to me was strange. But that's the beauty of it. It's all subjective. Really want to know what it was like in the. I know that you probably cannot talk about it. But it's just like it is so funny because we've talked to someone else who was on the com- I can't remember who yeah and I was like when they brought him up the Dave Van. Nobody was like what no everyone's like disgusting seriously and then decided to nominate him. I'm like I'm okay. Yeah that's why I think having the again. We have a great group of people in the Committee. All come from different tastes all You know all converging and think people can even say for myself. There's people that I've been in that gun in that meeting saying they weren't even on my radar that I ended up supporting because somebody made a really passionate case for them do. Are you at liberty? Say Well even educating me like. I didn't actually know that much about sister. Rosetta tharp before she came up in that meeting and I I was aware that aim but I felt kind of bad that I didn't really know and I I learned. I didn't know anything about her. Talent clearly deserved to be as you know the influence part obviously so that's always stress but going into that I would never have even thought about it. Do you feel like you have convinced people. Yeah do you think you were you able to sway some people onto progress? I have and I think people have told me after the fact you know it's like I don't like this kind of music but I see for the people who do like like how important so I've had people come up to me and say they supported something that they didn't personally like which is the biggest problem if you're just going personal taste. Oh Yeah are you can't assign things just because you like them exactly. We've all done that. We've all learned our lesson that you signed something just because you like then you find six other people that actually like a million dollars a million dollars. Twelve hundred records. That ever happened to me. Oh no way no way so with the Group. We have now that you can have those you know people are much more receptive. I mean I was. I was scared shitless my first meeting. I was sure because I didn't know what to expect. And there's a lot of people a lot of people been doing a long time and a lot of a lot of journalists who I know specifically with music like hate progress yeah passionately unashamedly like we'll go out of their way to say how much they hate it I think I started my first. The first meeting I was in. I think assorted hi. My Name is Rik prog rock fan kind of just to put it out just to put it out there and You know if you're talking about genesis or yes or rush route route proud to fight the fight. The good for they're all. They're all very deserving I'm glad they got in and what am I one of my other favorite moments ever from a hall of Fame Ceremony. We didn't la the year rush got in And it was at the beginning of the show when I mean. The crowd was literally Ninety Percent Rush. Vans as you can imagine in the theater and Yawn winter would always come out to start the show and list. The Duck Dis And when he got to rush I mean literally hit could be for like another three minutes because the crowd just wouldn Stein and wouldn't stop cheering and I got. That was validating moments. Ask and I think people that probably were not rush fans. That didn't understand what that was like saw that and again. It's there's plenty of bands that have diehard fans maybe aren't hall of Fame Worthy Rush. Clearly was is the exception. That and I realize there's I I know why people don't like rush is not for everybody using the for the people who like it appreciate rush. They are everything I mean. You saw it when neo past and I think it was the love to me taking away like the masses from the music community and the musician community you know it rivaled Bowie and prints and Tom. Petty the tribute. She saw that people are coming out with when Neil like what an impact he had on people musicians and just fans he beyond whether you like their music or not. You cannot deny the power and the talent of one of the great drummers of all time absolutely can't I mean literally yet because I went back and started looking at the lists that everybody would publish I mean Bonham seems to end up number one on every list on them. Keith. Moon and but deals top. Fees wasn't top five on someone's list than it was bad is my opinion it was it was it was. He was anywhere between two and five on every list. Yeah well and even rolling Stone Joe always makes this case to for the and it's valid one. I guess but that that the thing that is cool and good about the rock and Roll Hall of fame is that it does expose you to things that you'd wouldn't know about when I watched the package I suddenly. I'm like maybe rush kind of rocks a little bit like. Oh who's the Paul Butterfield Blues Band? It's like Oh sister. Rosetta she kicks ass. I'm learning some stuff. Onto Jackson was another one. I didn't I didn't I didn't who wanted to Jackson was and she performed. Yeah which is pretty cool because it's not often. Do you get an early influence. Who then is we actually put her on. Vh One divas show after like you know. We put her on one of those shows. That's because the RAW. It's how I knew about and you could see she could still show up and bring it truly. That is one of my catchphrases on the show is induct the divas. I believe we should just induct all the divas. Anyone who's ever been on the beach one divas show put them all in putting Gloria Estefan. I do not care. Put them all in Santa. The Divas Inducted Mall. Another podcast took gosh behind the scenes. At Divas live I live I. Can they pop video of the Divas? Live who joe. That's a crossover for us. It is another thing that we've talked about with Seymour. And the old guard is the idea that it would be cool or that there is going to come a time as the nominating committee gets younger and more diverse. That there's not going to be people who remember these random ivory Joe Hunter. Yeah there's someone to continue to nominate them for the eighteenth time or whatever and that at a certain point wouldn't it be great if there was just like a veteran veterans committee and then they get one every year they just get to put one in every year they get to do like an early influence style? Just put it to the voting body? Who doesn't Know Shit? They're just like hey this is good. I don't I don't disagree other in my mind. There's early influences other genres. Dj Cool her because in early influence. Yeah we we we just you know he's not gonNa or if you put it on the ballot. He's never going to get into voting. Barely released any recordings but his week we actually had hip hop honor Sean. Vh1 I are versed on our show. We actually we honor him because he had never really been recognized and that kind of form before so. I'm certainly hoping that artists like that. It would be so cool if that became like a thing where it doesn't have to be some from the fifty S. What I was saying being early influenced if there was just like a a. GimMe like the Non Power got one. GimMe that they just like at a certain point can't the Phnom Com just put an MC five knowing that they're always gonNA shit the bed. Thank I remember there there. That helped create his honora work. Chrysler could be considered an early influential breath for just pop them in do it. You know all things to be discussed. I'm sure induct the divas as well while you're at also inducted. You put them all in. I think the good thing is there's a great team involved in these are all all these kind of discussions will happen and there's an openness to move this forward and keep it contemporary but also make sure that we find that you don't forget about this. Recognize the past. You agreed that warms my heart truly. Well it's just nice to know that somebody's listening this all. These things are things that are you know those things are always discussed and Saudi you. That's great you can't do everything and it's it's always a challenge to try to serve two masters and I do a great job of how we do it can. It can always be better. I think everybody acknowledged everybody acknowledges that that it cannot. We're moving in the right direction. It can always be better and there will always be an effort made to make it better. I'm excited for this year ceremony. Me Too I wish that Pat Cleveland definitely GONNA COME TO CLEVELAND. I it's IT'S I. I have a lot more fun in Cleveland. No disrespect to clear at all. There's not quite as much. There's our our New York hotel. Besides a cry is a crush on the venue. People everybody staying there. You basically see the same people for three days You get to go to the museum which is great because a lot of people don't get at opportunity The Indians are catch a game. I don't think I don't think the cavs would be in the playoffs and the won't be much only a basketball to be seen then right. Yeah but it's great in the city's truly embraces it. I Love New York to just a different. It's different they're both equally great in different ways We'll we'll see you there. If you need any seat fillers just down on the floor. Let us know where very well I? I have some Nice dresses. I'm willing to dress up. Well Rick thank you so much for being a part of this and taking the time out of your schedule to be a guest on this show. It's my pleasure I love. I love talking about it even the things. I can't talk about yes. Is there anything you would like to plug or your social media or anything like that? No Watch the Rock and Roll Hall of fame on. Hbo On May Second. Just shall live on HBO. You can follow us on twitter and Instagram at Rock Hall pod. You can email us. Recall Potett gmail.com. Christmasy that you're going to have to indicate that somewhere in your message. Subscribe to us on Apple. Podcast reviews five stars. 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