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Best of Armstrong & Getty Tuesday Hour 1

"As the demand for telemedicine grows so does the need for connectivity. five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g connectivity. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age privilege. Privilege be honest. I don't know most of these guys. Armstrong getty you're listening to the best of the armstrong and getty show. I am going to mispronounce this young woman's name and i apologize in advance for that because i admire her a great deal. She is all academy olifants batman knock. That's a heck of a name. She is a british conservative politician. A member of parliament She was born in wimbledon to parents of nigerian origin and has risen up to become one of the leaders of that country. I'm in. I'm told at least in this week. That she's the equalities minister or something. Yeah but she took the floor of parliament in an had something to say about the critical race theory. And the rest of it Do we have that handy off. Against is the teaching of contested. Political ideas a sip. They are accepted fact. We don't do this with communism. We don't do this with socialism. You don't do it with capitalism and i want to speak about a dangerous trend in greece. Relations has come forward too close to to my life and the promotion of critical race theory and ideology sees my blackness. Victimhood and their white as oppression. I want to be absolutely clear. This government stance unequivocally against critical race theory. A wallis should a joint jumped in there with joe biden to say. This isn't happening anywhere yet. What's wrong with racial sensitive wire you against racial sensitivity training it. Yeah that was horrible moment. I'm sorry it wasn't set to to pause. Are we able to join again. I ruled against the teaching of contested. Political ideas they are excessive facts. We don't do this with communism. Then do this with socialism. We don't do it with capitalism. And i want to speak about a dangerous trend. In race relations. That has come far too close to home to my life and its promotion of critical race theory and ideology sees my blackness victimhood. And they what. Mrs as oppression. I want to be absolutely clear. This government stance unequivocally against critical race theory. Some schools have decided to openly support. The anti-capitalist black lives matter group often fully aware that they have statutory duty to be politically impartial. Black lives do matter. Of course they do but we know that black lives matter movement to be l. is political. I know this. Because at the height of the protests. I've been told of white. Black lives matters protesters cooling. And i'm afraid padre saying this word cooling a black police officer guarding downing street a zoo. That is why we do not endorse that movements. In on this side of the house it is a political movement. And what would be nice would be members on the opposite side to condemn many of the actions that we see this political movement instead of pretending that it is a completely wholesome and theres's organization there is a lot of pernicious that is being pushed and we stand against that. We do not want to see teachers teaching their white pupils about white privilege and inherited racial guilt. And let me be clear. Any school which teaches these elements of critical race theory as fact which promotes partisan political views. Such as defunding the police without offering a balanced treatment of opposing. These is breaking the law. Well i'm on my way to london if now sanity that woman has more balls than one hundred. American male politicians put together. That's great stuff. Teaching critical race. Theory is fact. Oh inherited racism. And thank you for calling it out for its marxism. Yeah that that is. That is so good. And i admire her courage. And saying so insidious. I'm glad the reality of what. Crt critical race theory is made it to england. I wish it would make it too well. Donald trump understands it enough to To to you know. Take try to take it out of the schools and out of the government but i wish i could explain it better during the debate right. I wish people don't understand what it is. That would be very helped chris. Wallace didn't know what it was. He clearly didn't well and he. He thought he knew well enough. That he opposed the discussion. He took the other side. He advocated for it which was unbelievable. It's interesting to me. How consistent human nature is that. You have woke twenty two year old white girls in britain screaming at if you missed that black cops guarding ten downing street or the prime minister lives being screeched at by woke twenty two year old white people that their pet enters holy cow. And y'all are saying yeah. Yeah yeah though. We need to teach our children to be antiracist opens. You think you know what it is. So the anti-racist people saying that gags unfor- their anti-racist so one of my favorite things that james lindsay says the professor who might be the world's leader in calling out critical race And this is about. The two plus two equals five movement or the defunding. The police nonsense. Or the don't give grades to kids growing movement rallies oppression sent him out in the world not knowing anything reality bats last what you do reality bats last his ass so good so true you can claim all kinds of crap and you can make his thoughtful complicated a phd level argument. Is you want and you can get as many people as you want to go along with it but reality bats last and if kids don't know how to read they don't know how to read whether you You know let them through because a systemic racism or not or you can claim to. Poets do equals five. But it don't and you can get rid of police but things ain't gonna work out reality. Bats last the the mookie betts of the early seventies on the left to daniel patrick moynihan who is a lion of liberals at the time commissioned a gigantic study of how the great society programs of Lbj were working. How the the government dependence related a massive of social programs of that period. How they were doing what results they were actually yielding. He wanted reality to bat last and then he wanted a report on you know how reality did and his report was scathing. It said these programs are disintegrating families. They're encouraging dependence. They're doing the opposite of what we want them to do. But that report was widely ignored because it became clear. I'm going to bottom line it for you. Because we're limited time but they decided well as long as we're giving these people stuff on they're going to vote for us so we'll just keep it going. Yes it's disintegrating the black family. It's yielding horrific results black children. It's it's doing the opposite of what we intended. But it's working politically. It's one of the great sins Ever committed by a group of people in the united states to my mind so in the critical race theory. One of the things. I don't know is that woman in great britain. Did she get push back from that. Or was everybody agreement i was. I wasn't here in the usual screaming at her from the floor Is there mostly agreement in the government that we're not going to allow critical race theory to be used in our government. She's calling out the other side. And i don't know the answer to your question. I just fairly tight shot of her. Giving that speech on video obviously and And there weren't. It wasn't one of those jam sessions where they all throw questions at the prime minister. Okay because covid. It's a much less packed house. good obviously obviously. Only an idiot wouldn't have thought that. Through but i didn't figure but you're already it the re- the one of the reasons. I i wanna keep an eye on this. If biden wins in the dem's take the senate how soon as critical race theory comeback into government training or become of the official you know public school doctrine on country in january. You'd think so yes. Yeah god i. I hope some smart people get to joe biden. Explain to a mortar was. I can't blame him for not knowing. I suppose at which age at which point right right price. Plus like chris wallace and old liberals they hear racism and they think of racism. They don't think of a marxist movement that's trying to end the free market and education change the constitution the rest of it. They think what they used to tell a bunch of white little kids in school that they're racists. What could be more awful than i know. It's terrible it's awful and convinced the little black and brown kids that those other kids are racists. Parents are racist and they're the reasons any bad things happen in your life right there. The reason they're the reason you should give up. How awful is that for society unless we can tear down the constitution. Well and when that happens in january i hope there is an enormous movement of people taking their kids out of public schools and i hope there is an enormous movement of charity supported. Contribution supported private schools. I would gladly give a chunk of my income to start grow established whatever schools that teach what ought to be taught in schools and not marxist politics even though my kids are grown i would happily contribute to schools like that i would i would. I would teach them so that good families wouldn't have to go broke sending their kid to some twenty five thousand dollars a year private elementary school. That might happen. I hope it happens. I hope it doesn't have to happen but if it happens we. The people need to take the take control. Are we posting the british woman at armstrong and getty dot com oregon on it right now. Excellent there's a lot of people in the text line. They wanna see that or hear that extended to everybody. You know armstrong and getty listening to the best of the armstrong and getty show armstrong and getty. This is the best of armstrong and getty so. Nancy pelosi went on cnn yesterday. Hoping for softball questions and a chance to and she get there. I wouldn't she expected basically say out loud her her talking points unchallenged. But that's not the way it went with one wolf blitzer first time in years. The topic was why. Aren't you getting stimulus package through. I mean there's a lot of people hurting out there. They need the money strike a compromise. People are hurting xactly. Excuse me for speaking with. They really need the money right now. And even members of but even members of your own costs members of your own caucus bedroom speaker one to this the one point. Eight trillion dollars congressman rokon just quote ro khanna man you know well i assume you buy your enemies democrat and he just said this. He said people in can't wait until february one. Point eight trillion dollars is significant and more than twice. The obama stimulus naked deal. Put the ball in mcconnell court. So what do you say to rotana when i say to you is. I don't know why you're always an apologist. And many of your colleagues apologised for the republican position. Good lord she's describing ceyhan hand. It is time to put nancy in the home see an enter apologists for the republicans so that back and forth went on for what is some of the longest minutes on tv where they clearly are just getting more and more well. She is getting more and more agitated with being questioned. And here's a video. I would point out. She is physically vibrating with anger. Here's how it wrapped up speakers. These these are incredibly difficult times right now and we'll leave it on that note. Thank you so much for joining us on this often. I'm hate to say that. But i feel confident about it and i feel confident about my colleagues and feel confidence in my ears. It's not about me. It's about millions of americans who can't put food on the table who can't pay the rent controlled getting by along. I i know you. I'm just saying we know them as we say represents perfectly the enemy of the good as they say near-perfect speaker always the case but we're not even close to the good are. Let's see what happens because every day is critically critically important thanks so much joining a sensitivity to our constituents needs to them because i see them on the street begging for food begging for money speaker we think them we feed them. We'll continue this conversation down the road for sure. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back. Wow that is marie antoinette on steroids that is amazing fed. Them wolf is some good stuff. I represent them. Nancy a good one a A a quick explanation of something as soon as you understand this you will understand politics better. We've talked about this before. Politicians will yell and yell about solving an issue but the last thing in the world they want to do is solve it. Because you won't go vote if it solved. They would rather have the issue than solve the issue. Nancy and the democrats have gambled that if you are starving and desperate. They can blame trump and the democrats will win the election. They have it within their power easily to get giant checks out to everybody. Actually six weeks ago they could have done it and compromise with republicans. They're gambling that they can have the issue for the polls but they w- it's way too long period. It's way too obvious at the point. That wolf blitzer is saying what are you doing. You have really overreached wondering is there any chance. So trump gets elected and there are a lot of people on the right that on the right that don't like trump and and journalists magazines people that have been writing conservative stuff for decades some of the biggest heavyweights in america. That are fully part of the resistance to trump on the right because they're unhappy with what their party has become in rare is and and they and they and they they're more true to combat like conservative principles than they are to a party or particular guy. Could that be happening on the left as it becomes more clear to them anyway and the polls would lead you to believe that the democrats are about to have a big win is. They're starting to be a the way. The national review has been beaten up on. Trump is going to be cnn or msnbc or somebody on the left saying okay. Now we're in charge. You guys get your act together because this is a bunch of crap. It's entirely possible. That happened exactly the same way. I would hope so. I hope they're people standing up for principle over election. Maybe maybe that's going to happen. Okay you won because there are enough people that hate trump. but here's what you need actually do. Maybe that's gonna happen. I don't know right right well. I just think it's notable when when the folks at cnn are in the face of nancy pelosi calling her on her ass. I i think it's notable and i credit wolf blitzer. I've said terrible things about through the really unforgivable cruel cruel things. Somehow that sort of thing should be the default on new and it should happen so often they should. They should not be looking forward to an interview. They should be worried and need to have their ducks in a row. So yes right to have their talking points a raid in front of them and beyond their the the the balls of their feet. It should happen so often with the the people that control all of our money and and And all of our freedom as we've found out during the pandemic but it doesn't happen very often Evidently it's like a you run into your d'appel ganger in the airport. Apparently wolf blitzer to brain cells ran into each other in his skull generated. An idea to job. We don't need to bring the fact that he finished with negative dollars on the children's version of jeopardy to mention that in this year we've should probably then out. I'd like to know the back story on that. Because i mean he bordered on disrespectful for the house the speaker of the house of representatives and talking over and interrupting stuff like i don't have a problem with it but i know she's working for him he was into that territory of like fully in her fe. Good we need more. I agree is here which is to get from usually just letting people say what they want to there. That's that's something from worshipful to that. What wolf was around when cnn was a serious news network. And i think he has shredder. Pry a meeting last week or something like that. And that's why jake tapper is like wait. A second poll is not the constitution. I don't think you know what unconstitutional means. That is quite a coincidence. As awesome feeling really notable standing up and in growing spine incidents wow that's really encouraging armstrong of the armstrong and getty armstrong and getty the best of armstrong and getty on this cuties controversy. It's this movie on net flicks. It's funny i was on net flicks a a number times over the weekend and you know they feed you. The newest stuff in previews in this one wasn't on my feed for some reason. I wonder if they're gonna keep in. This one on the down low is as opposed to really push toward you like they are. The new cobra kai show or whatever. Sure yeah that's that is perhaps the case. It's about an eleven year old girl from senegal. She's an immigrant to to france. She's trying to find her place growing up in a poor suburb of paris. Her family strict observant muslims. Her her world her school girls. She she befriends very much secular and it's about her her struggles but one of the things one of the main plots of the movie as she joins this dance team. That does very disturbingly sexual dancing for little girls of that age. Okay and so if it were a twenty five year olds. I wouldn't want my kids to see it. The movies not four children and the kind of gets to one of my problems with with the marketing of it is just been so strange reminds me of the. What was the dog. gets cancer movie. Me and marlene may alert. It was marketed as a comedy. Rob jennifer aniston acute man puppy and then the dog ends up dying. Every person leaves the theater just bawling their eyes right. Yeah what what did you just do me into anyway. Healed sharpei the marketing. The marketing of this is it's like the young girl finds herself through dance and learns to fit in and blah blah blah. but so then. I saw different The trailer that was incredibly disturbingly sexual with these little girls and so people are dropping their netflix controversy. I'm sorry there. I'm reading talking their subscriptions. They are demonstrating writing letters etc And it's become a thing as the kids say now here it gets really interesting. We got this note from julie Who'd been reading about. It had watched the trailers and the rest of it and the french view is tolerance americans who haven't even bothered to watch the film or calling for it to be censored as child porn when in fact the whole point of the movie is to shine a light. On the hyper sexualizing world. That young girls are growing up in so she watched it. The point of the movie. Is were sexualizing little girls. And it's sick. But as mollie hemingway of what she the federalist mum tweeted over the weekend. Stop telling me. I have to watch child pornography to understand how bad it is essentially so i finally i was thinking i was trying to think and honestly about. There's a bit of trying to have it both ways there. Yeah yeah. I mean like a taxi driver legendary movie from very early seventies robert deniro. It's how robert deniro became a big thing unfortunately and were still living with the off laughter. One of the main plot points to the movies he decides to rescue this. What is she fourteen year old twelve fourteen year. Old johnny jodie foster Her emergence not nearly as unfortunate as deniro's but she was very sexualize d- in the movie and part of it was to show how sick that whole world is. So i don't. I don't have any desire to I'd have to watch the show. It's all about the execution right. Let me read to you a little bit of what. Julie said about papa. So i watched it on. Here's a review as a film. Well if you're into indie films. I e slow paced and kind of depressing. It's alright as a polemic i'd say. American shock value marketing is ninety five percent responsible. Okay oh film. Itself is centered. More on the protagonist coming to grips with their strict polygamist sengalese family in finding a place in western society. The dancing accounts for maybe a grand. Total of six minutes of the film are the crotch shots and hyper sexualize. Choreography disturbing absolutely. But that's exactly the point. The director is making. It should make us super uncomfortable but it is happening. No who actually watches. The film could come away feeling like the dancing and the clip you saw was being glorified these girls from the poor neighborhoods of pariser a mess from the outset and you try to root for them but they make such bad choices over and over. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck. The movie is meant to be a precautionary tale. Not an inspirational dance troupe. As net flicks posters might suggest. Okay i get it and it could be something i'd really like. Oh yeah. I don't like the way it was pitched to lure in with that pitch i pedophile and people who like to watch girls dance Should it be banned. I should think not. The film is simply holding up a mirror to the site. Your kids are growing up in. I get it. I see eleven year. Old girls You know at a grade. School dressed in ways that Eleven year old. Girls didn't dress when i was a kid. Yeah yeah maybe. If we're going to start censoring something that should be car. The cardi b.'s. And wipes out there but wraps Should net phillix be boycotted. Probably not but they do deserve a slap for the way they marketed. The film in english if it weren't for that poster and dance clip to film probably would have just passed quietly into art art. Art house obscurity In some ruby. Thankful that your little girls already grown up. You know in a way. Thanks julie for that Well-considered note the perfect thing right now would be some transition music carlson. He's very smart guy. Sometimes i disagree with them sometimes. They think he's over the top but he did a feature last night. It was quite long but it had to do with big tech and their desire to censor their platforms to avoid any misinformation about the covert. And what a horrible job. They're doing just utterly indefensible. We'll go ahead and run you just a little excerpt we can talk about it ourselves but I definitely recommend you go to fox. News dot com or whatever and watch the whole thing. But here's a little tucker. The truth is and you know what if you've watched carefully experts have been wrong frequently throughout this pandemic at one point. They told us not to wear masks. Now they tell us we must and so on. They have changed their prescriptions. Many times most of these are not bad people. Most of them are trying their best. But they're human beings and therefore they're fallible. They make mistakes the solution to this age old problem and we used to understand. This intuitively is more informed. Voices in the conversation. That's how you make wise decisions. That's how you get to the truth. Diversity of view. Facebook doesn't believe this they believe in censorship. censorship does not make us wiser does not make us better inform if it did. We'd be speaking russian right now. The soviet union run the world would have worked one of the The main aspects of the fisher. He did was. He pointed out several examples where For instance dr scott atlas of the hoover institution who. We talked to some regularly He put out that that video and transcript of an interview in which he was suggesting. Listen we need to weigh the costs of the lockdown in terms of health along with weighing the effects of covid nineteen. They took down that video. It was perfectly youtube. Did it was perfectly reasonable. And tucker's other main thesis was look at these examples where the conventional wisdom about covid nineteen. Th the lockdown medications therapies. whatever in march. The conventional thinking was ex- anybody's suggested other than ex was removed was shut down was censored and then when it evolved to why in june the people were saying why along now they got to post their videos but then people saying well wait a minute. Wait a minute. The latest study says z. Mark zuckerberg shuts them down and kicks him out then. In late august it turns out z. Was right as our understandings evolving in this thing the idea that informed responsible dissenting voices should be shut down is obscene and the actual written policy that these social media have and they vary in the wording but they are essentially. This is removed for running counter to the cdc in the deluge hbo's policies on the covert nineteen. So if you dare challenge the and i'm not one of your alternative website conspiracy theory nut jobs but these are responsible voices saying listen. I think I think we need to do more studies before we say that's definitively true. They're shutting people's that down. It's just it's it's really really bad. And why is that happening. Well i think it's partly because the the political left in the big tax just arm and arm and the political left has for whatever reason taken very strong stances on the cove and we've all seen that I mean the difference between blue states and cities in red states and cities in their policies are vast And so the the tech giant's want to be in lockstep with you. Know nancy pelosi and her crowd and governor whitmer of of michigan. And that sort of person. 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Ninety for ninety dollars off including free shipping during hellofresh is black friday sale for a limited time only go to hellofresh dot com and use the code armstrong ninety for ninety dollars off. That's hellofresh dot com the code armstrong ninety at hellofresh dot com armstrong and getty the best of armstrong. And getty. this why you're always late and it's not your fault. It says here it is your phone. Yeah it is it is your fault. But let's hear out this article other. There are people that are that are psychologically more prone to with another idea that anybody needs more excuses made for their failings is crazy to me. This writer says i fault joe. This writer says i have a tendency to be late but only to certain things. I rarely am late on a deadline to an interview. I liked to be exactly on time. And not one minute sooner however i'm almost always late to a party a meeting or an appointment and wondered why it was and look into this book late. A time benders guide to why wear late and how we can change research shows. That's research shows that twenty percent of the population finds it hard to be punctual. Time seems to work differently for those people in the way it affects their brain. Sometimes it stretches. Sometimes it shrinks do tell. I do like the phrase time vendor right so some people seem to have a problem measuring time and typically underestimate by twenty to thirty percent e. Yeah i hear that. I have that i know i have that in. My wife pointed out to me all the time. I'll say i'm gonna go get a pizza. It'll take me about how long she says. You always underestimate how long it's gonna take. It's gonna take this long right. She always has a much bigger number than i have. And i always think it's not going to take me that long and she's always right and i'm always wrong but for some reason i always think it's going to take me list time and i have no idea why i would do that. You know when time stands still more than any other occasion when your spouse runs into the grocery store to get one thing. It seems like they're in there long enough to fill a shopping cart and like restock the shelves after they're done doing what i was taking a look at your what i remember my dad saying that to us while we're sitting in the car when i was a little kid she probably talking to somebody. It's like a hundred and thirty foot walk. Titles are right there. Some respect to the in ten minutes a interesting that perhaps in. It's not excuse. You still got to figure it out. But maybe twenty percent of the population for whatever reason their brain's ability to anticipate how long something's gonna take his doesn't work right. Yeah you're probably better at something else. Yeah oh yeah sure. This is one. I do try to fit an extra tax just before the deadline because they feel uncomfortable with closure. I don't know about feeling uncomfortable with closure but nobody. I do that all the time. I'm like well. I don't have to leave for three minutes. Let me try to jam this five minutes task in. Yeah it takes longer than that. I'm leaving a little suspected. That is weird. I liked the part of hear about there. Some things never late for like i've my son has never been late for anything school related and he's always word. We're going to be late. And i always say. Have you ever been late for. I've ever gotten you late for anything. No not one time. And you're not going to. He never is late for anything. Parenting have a mental block about transition time and as a result regularly leave home around five minutes later than the intended are how subconsciously resist leaving until the last minute shaving journey times of the minimum and not allowing for the unexpected. Or even the expect. I can't even imagine what goes on in a person's brain like mine with some things to where being there a minute early just seems like a crime against humanity. You've wasted a chunk of your life. Which is where i sit with nothing. No you know. It'd be better is to be highly stressed for the next forty five minutes wondering if i'm gonna to make it on much more enjoyable day during your life and others ruining my brake pads would be much more enjoyable than if i got there in a minute early right just weird and deepen your genes time vendors. Have a hard time breaking the habit. I don't believe we can ever free ourselves from the mindset we can act out a preference baba bah Mostly it's recognizing that you have the problem in our. Yeah yeah it's a subconscious tendency once you recognize it you can deal with it does throw in some of this stuff to You know say nice things about the people who are like people who arrive early for meetings and events are often less productive than those who arrived a few minutes. Late says studies well in their punished for old late. Larry yeah screwing around. I say star every meeting on time to the second time i agree. Why would you wait. I don't know it would reform people in a bigger. The meeting started. Ooh and when they walk in moxham cruelly yeah call him up by name and you know what we need to get from that to this transition music. Oh i'm sorry to say you're considering taking a hay ride. Please stand down immediately. it's far too dangerous. Do not take a hay ride until you hear the chilling story. We'll worry about was the fly chinese drone well. Yes look into that. Our freedom-loving quote of the day sent along just in cal- unikorea from trump. He says the late great. Benjamin franklin gysi contact quote. Democracy is to wolves a lamb voting on what they are going to have for lunch. Democracy to wolves in a lamb voting liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Amen to that. Ben ben boy. Thanks for the postal service to fans then acuna on conspiracy. Nobody ben franklin franklin. Okay you stand down over there. Steve says today's general manager. Let it be the debate. Fly please. no steve eric. The fly chose pants even filthy invertebrates. No the winning ticket. That's my favorite one this from jennifer that fly though to be a fly on the hair of mike pence. Did anyone else paying attention. When the fly made it soft touchdown in the soft white cloud known as mike pence's air not anonymous jennifer refugee from californ- acopia to the great land at tennessee. The still loyal fan. Fan of armstrong and getty. Thank you of course will nationwide these memphis. We are what a great honor terrific working with. Some really nice people are two. Here's a bj's female spin on the veep debate ashamed to be a woman to watch his onstage horrible. had to turn it off supply. Good review for us embarrassed female. Thanks guys was that. She found a boat to women's hard to take. I'll be older. I'm guessing you went in with a point of view to start with women on the trump and channels. Were every woman knows what. It's like to have to deal with that guy in a meeting. So i think every woman in america agrees that how and we went in as a woman not liking com layers. Right in the the phrase. The ord man's planing was was quite clearly the phrase oh the day for trump eaten media comma hairs. Whatever that means harrison clearly won the debate. And i'll explain why though lord speaking let's see. Oh i read this from Partly because we received a number of emails on this This sort and a bunch of my friends via taxed were watching the debate in texting back and forth and the rest of it. And i heard. The sentiment expressed several times Guys after that debate. How many republicans would like to see mike pence tag in for trump out front running plays with the clock running down at least seven for the next debate and move the ball forward. While the tornado fully recovers people preferred pence's debate performance. The trump thought it was much more clear persuasive in that sort of thing but again either beholder. I was the all time i leave. Beholder activity. I like pence's substance but i can't handle that style of poll. Political speaking that heard people say is a flashback to twenty twelve back when you know all politicians talk like that and have forever just that cadence. I'll tell you what the american peter chicken people that's style of speaking.

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Iran Situation Gets More Complicated

The Young Turks

56:32 min | 2 years ago

Iran Situation Gets More Complicated

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And then there's a dunk tank, etc. So don't miss any part in tomorrow to you. IT dot com. Okay. So, but I wore. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we start off with some scary news. But there's a little bit of a silver lining, which I did not expect. So it orange line if you will in orange lining. Yeah. Uh-huh. Early this morning. It was reported that Iran had shot down a US military surveillance drone. Now, there were, of course, different stories, depending on who you were getting the perspective from the US military argued that the drone was shot down on international airspace. However, Iran has come out and said, no, the surveillance drone actually entered our airspace, and it was a sign of provocation and we shot it down as a result. Now given the way John Bolton and Mike Pompeo have been pushing for war and given the flimsy evidence they've provided in regard to the Japanese oil tanker that was targeted. Some are really questioning whether the US government is, is telling the truth here or if they're just pushing for a war trying to rally support for the war. And one of the people who's actually downplaying this whole attack is Donald Trump, and we're going to get to his comments in just a second, but I, I. I want to go to a statement by the top general in Iran. Here is what he had to say new intention to fight with any countries. But we are completing ready for war Hamadan would happen today was an obvious sign this accurate message. So that was General Hussein salami that is his name. And he is saying, look, we're again, we're not looking for war, but this, this is an after provocation, and we're gonna protect ourselves. It is the same thing that we would do here in the United States if a drone surveillance drone from an adversary entered our airspace. So here's my analysis of what happened. I think unfortunately the Iranians are telling the truth again. And we are lying again. Now, there's a very, very notable exception here of Donald Trump. So we're going to get to that in the second. He's not telling the truth either. But that's a good thing. I'll explain but. The US is over international waters, there or any is like, we have video of the down drone in our waters. So. Now they could be making that up. Did I see the video? And do I know where exactly it rains international waters are tonight confirm that within the last twenty four hours? No. Okay. So that's why I'm telling you. It's my analysis. Okay. But based on what has happened so far in the context of all this. I would be very surprised if Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. We're telling the truth. They haven't told the truth in any of this, so far, and could they have sent in the drone into Iranian territory on purpose to get it shut down? So they could then turn around to Donald Trump go. Hey, MS Trump. I know you don't want to get involved in the war in the Middle East, but this shot Denner drove what could we do? But it turns out that plan was foiled by Donald Trump. That is a twist nobody's going. Well, you partly didn't see coming. We actually started alluding to it over the last couple of days here on the young Turks that he might make that turn. And then some of the, the people who are. I don't wanna use the word heroes. I don't want to buy this, but another hand who really did something great here are Tucker Carlson, and Matt gaetz two guys, I am not prone to give compliments to, but they are working to make sure we do not get into a war with Iran and Trump does listen to that. You're absolutely right. Trump also listens to his base, and invading another country is not popular with his base. So you have people on the right of voters and you have these talking heads on FOX, who luckily, in this case are pushing for the right thing, which is getting the war in Iran. And I just want to quickly mention that over and over again, we see that the White House can't get its story straight when it comes to Iran. So they're trying to rally support for this war, but they keep making all of these ridiculous mistakes. This is a small mistake. But it just again shows you that they are not getting their story. Right. So, for instance, Iran, added that the down drone was a US made argue for a Global Hawk spying drone a US. A US official previously identified to CNN the model of the drone was m q foresee Trish in the US central command later said that it was what you're said it was so that just stands out to me, because you had the US government right now pushing toward a warning, Ron and they still can't get their story straight. I mean they're sloppy and messy beyond belief, which is why a lot of people are questioning the evidence that we're seeing from the Trump administration. But with that said it does appear that Trump is going in the right direction for now and I want to show you this video where he really downplays this whole drone issue, take a look. I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. And fortunately, that drone was unarmed. It was not there was no man in it. And there was no, it was just it was over international waters, clearly over international. What does. But we didn't have a man or woman in the DRO we had nobody in drum. Would have made a big difference. So let me tell you what made a big difference, but I have a feeling I may be wrong, and I may be right, but I'm right a lot I have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn't have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake. Okay. Even when we want to agree with him. He makes it really hard. Yeah, I might be wrong my break. I'm right. A lot almost ever. And in this case, you're right on the substance of the policy. But again, fortunately, he's not telling the truth, but that's okay. I'll take it. So what, what, what is he telling the truth about he says, Iran probably made a mistake. No Iran, when they are wrongly accused comes out and says, no, we didn't hit the tanker. That's crazy talk. We didn't do that at all in this case, they're like, yeah. No. We hit the drone we, it was us. We hit it was not a mistake. That's because it was in our territory. Okay. And then Trump also I don't think told the truth when he said it was in international waters. So, but nonetheless, I don't care about any of that in this context because Trump is trying to find a reason not to escalate, the conflict wonderful terrific. I'm happy to give them credit there. So why do we even to people say as always with any claims of bias, etc? Why don't we like Donald Trump because of what he does right if he does? Things that are positive like getting us out of a war with Iran. Great did I like that part? There's nothing wrong with that. And so here there's actually one more set of people that are on the right side of this. And of course, another guy who was on the wrong side of the guy on the wrong side, is that Yahoo unsurprising the Dick Cheney of Israel, and he's dying for a war, and he's been trying to agitate for that world all along. And he says, Iran is intensified its aggression against the United States in the international community Israel has scientists inside of Iran, but that doesn't count as aggression. You know, another word for assassination is murder one of the scientists they killed in front of his kids preschool. Okay. But that apparently is not aggression. But if Iran shoots down a drone in their territory that apparently is aggression for Dick Cheney slash net. Yeah. Okay. So that's then yeah, well, that's not surprising. Now, this is slightly surprising. The Pentagon is saying, no, I'm good idea. So when Trump is asking around Bolton pump air, like come on. Let's go to war. Are we want ward so bad? Can you know that they even looked at you kinda weird? I think today they might. Yeah, they worked at you the wrong way terrible high school instigators like looking for a conflict, except in this case, they're thinking about money. They're thinking about the money that can be made through this conflict defense contractors oil companies et cetera. So now then Trump asked the Pentagon, the Pentagon look, there's a couple of problems here, number one, if you really want to get rid of Iran's nuclear program, if they start building it back up. We had already gotten rid of it. That was the Obama deal. But you tore that up. Okay. So that's unfortunate anyway. But if you wanna get rid of it, if they start building it back up. So the only real way to do that is regime change. And they're like, and they've worn Trump that is a massive undertaking. Do not underestimate that. So if that reporting is true about what the Pentagon said wonderful that it because that is accurate. Then they. And then apparently there was requests for guidance on what if we did one strike, like. Oh, we'll show them such a neoconservative. John bolt thing last Senator Lindsey Graham is pushing for by the way. Yes. And so they're saying, oh, we'll teach about lesson. We'll put some points on the board as Lindsey Graham says. Right. So the Pentagon was like no thinking about it. If we do a strike, your assuming that they won't strike back. But almost certainly they will then we will have to counter strike, and then we have escalated the conflict in a way that draws us into that giant. War. And then you do you like our job is to give you military advice, but all these roads lead to an enormous war in the Middle East. So just recently, there was a bipartisan congressional leadership briefing at the White House and Chuck Schumer came out of that briefing, and mentioned that he wants to ensure that the Trump administration doesn't push for war, or invade Iran unilaterally. There's still a lot of concern that they'll site that two thousand one Afghanistan related measure, as a way of or an excuse to bypass congress and invade unilaterally. So there's that worry, but there's also you know, just going back to what Trump said, in that first video that we showed, you, he really emphasized a drone there wasn't anyone in it, you know what I'm saying because he, he wants to appear strong like he cares about appearing strong, and I know that he probably has some worry about appearing weak, if he doesn't act on which just happened. Nd. But I like the fact that he's emphasizing there wasn't a person in there. This was an accident. Like that's a good sign. Right. It really shows that he's looking for any way to avoid actually engaging in a war. And then I thought that this next clip was also telling again, this is Trump take a look. I don't know. I find it hard to believe. It was intentional. If you wanna know the truth, I think that it could have been somebody who is loose and stupid that did it will be able to report back and you'll understand exactly what happened, but it was a very foolish move that I can tell you there members of your administration who are trying to push you into the role. In fact, in many cases it's the opposite. But I will say, look, I said, I want to get out of these endless wars. I campaigned on that. I want to get out. We've been in Afghanistan for nineteen years as you know, we've reduced substantially enough ghanistan. We beat the caliphate. We took back one hundred percent of the caliphate when it was ninety nine percent. Justin, I said. We're going to get out. We're going to start peeling back and everybody went crazy because it was ninety nine. So I said all right, so we'll finish it up. So we got one hundred percent and we're pulling that back out of Syria, were falling a lot of people back, so he likes taking ownership for, for bringing American troops back for, for no longer getting involved in these interventionist wars. He likes take credit for that. So that's good. One. Other thing, though, is remember Trump. Does it want to appear weak that applies to national security, but that's certainly also applies to his own administration. So I'm sure reporters asking him about members of his administration pushing him in a certain direction doesn't sit well with him. So that's why I gave to a cross and credit builder night because apparently the they're having conversations with Tucker selling them, be careful boatmen Pompeii or trying to trick you now you notice I mentioned Matt gaetz early. He's working with ro Khanna arguably the most progressive congressperson in the house, and saying, no, you cannot do this war without getting author. Authorization from congress met gates, arguably the most conservative member of the house. So this is an interesting ideological union between the right wing and the left wing against the stablishment and the Neo conservatives. Now, that is bipartisan ship, that I love as opposed to the bipartisanship in the so-called middle of Washington, where the right wing corporate Republicans and the so-called left wing corporate Democrats agree to rob us on behalf of their donors. That's what the media normally celebrates. That's what we can't stand this actual real bipartisanship, ro Khanna is on the show. He he talked about that. You can skip that a TYP dot com. All of us are under the conversation, make sure you check that out. And so it is strange bedfellows. And we do live in a topsy turvy world, where here, the young Turks is agreeing with Donald Trump against the rest of the Trump administration. We gotta take a break when we come back. We have some interesting news. About the pledge that we're asking democratic candidates to sign, and we also have an incredible story about what these stablishment is doing and promoting Elizabeth HALE is Brooke. Although you can only hear me now you've probably seen me on the damage report. Or the main show I am constantly on the move. And I'm always working from every location. I can. So when I can access a free wifi hotspot at the coffee shop at the airport, you know, how it is I definitely take advantage, as someone who was recently hacked. I am now super nervous and super aware when it comes to the safety of my online security nowadays. We saw everything on our devices pictures, credit card info addresses, social media Loggins, bottom line is without a VPN. 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So check it out all day long. Okay. So now let's keep going. Now, some of you have been wondering some of you have been wondering what are some folks who have not signed the progressive pledge. Now, a lot of the great progressive congresspeople, have Alexandra CASA Cortez's signed. It Rokon assigned Jamie Raskin signed it. And then in the presidential candidates, we've had three and we had three on the first day. Bernie Sanders, Marianne Williamson and Mike gravel. But you guys kept asking wait. Why is it warned sign the pledge of it's got the five pillars that at all? Most progressives agree to and that's why the pledge exists in the first place. Do you agree to it or don't you agree to it? So green new deal. Medicare for all higher wages ending the corruption through an amendment and college for all. Well, I have news for you guys. Elizabeth Warren has signed the pledge. So look, it's not a big surprise. I'm gonna keep it real. But maybe she wanted to sit down and take the time to really like investigate it and ensure that she did her research before signing. Something which I appreciate, but it had me worried. And look, she does policy, so she looked at the policies and it's like, yeah, and those are the things I'm going for now. Look, some corporate Democrats if you can call them that are now being like ooh. Maybe she won't do them, and maybe that's why we like her. Well, sorry, she just said she will do them. So and look, part of the pledges getting people clarity to see what they're in favor and what they're not. So you can go to TY T dot com slash pledge and read it for yourself. And so now the two biggest progressive candidates in the country have signed the pledge. And by the way, they're pulling it number two, and number three so they're both in the top three of presidential candidates. There's an excellent chance that one of them is going to be the next president of the United States of America. And they both agree that those are the five pillars that stand for what progressivism is, and that they are happy to make sure that they fight for those things. Doesn't just say, I support them or I agree with them. He says, I will fight to make sure that these things become the law of the land. So it's wonderful news that Elizabeth Warren has also signed it, obviously will continue to follow up, and, and track the other candidates. But as I talked to ro Khanna today, I think, and he called for this too is one of the leading progresses in congress. We got to get active in beginning to put pressure on politicians in Washington today. So once we clarify who agrees with us pleasure who doesn't on the presidential level. And by the way, we're going to Miami for the debates on June twenty six and twenty seven both Anna and I will go, so, well, Emma Viglen, so we'll have all of our casts there. And we're asking you guys to come some of the presidential candidates are gonna come and talk to you. If you're in Miami, we're obviously going to talk to you. We're going to meet. Oh, everyone. That comes to Miami. And so this pressure is definitely working. Let's keep going. But once we've Clara. The presidential candidates right now, nobody is fighting for fifty dollar minimum wage that democratic leadership, including Nancy Pelosi said they would vote on within the first hundred hours if the Democrats got the house, they voted on at all. And it doesn't look like Nancy Pelosi's ever going to introduce it. She says she has wanted to impeach because she's too busy doing other things. What other things so we, then hold them accountable. Look, the reason we, we call TNT army is because, you know, Barack Obama said make me do it. And so this is an army of democracy. Okay. So we are civil we are polite. You saw all the videos in Iowa. We emphasize that over and over again, but we do show up in force because we need people to understand that there are a lot of us, the media often misrepresents what's going on? And makes it seem like progressives, the fringe if you saw my speech in Iowa, which you can check out on dot com. You see that I read about at least a dozen pose a show you that Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and all of us. Are not in the minority. The overwhelming majority of the country agrees with us loan overwhelming majority of Democrats. But when you show up in person as you did in Iowa, it finally makes it visual for the president go. Wow. I didn't know that many people agreed with it look at the polls, and you showing up in person makes all the difference. If you're gonna do that, in Miami TY, T dot com slash rally. And by the way, go sign the pledge now over twenty two thousand people have signed it. So those are all people saying, hey, I'm voter. And if you're for this, you can get my vote if you're not bless your heart, but I'm gonna vote for someone else that's did sign the pledge. So do that at TY T dot com slash pledge. If we get it to a larger and larger number I think there'll be a world of pressure for not just the candidates, but for the media to talk about it and say, well, the people have spoken. This is what they believe progressivism is and what their candidate should fight for. Well, we have some more news on Elizabeth Warren. So let's do that. Centrists. Democrats, centrist Democrats notably. Third way. Democrats have certainly warmed up to the idea of Elizabeth Warren, as a presidential nominee. Now, this follows some scathing op-eds that were written about her previously, but it is it appears that they increasingly see her as an alternative to Bernie Sanders, someone who refers to himself as a democratic socialist, Elizabeth Warren, on the other hand, does not refer to herself that way, she considers himself someone who'd like to reform or capitalistic system. But they see that as a way of maybe persuading her to the center whereas Bernie Sanders might be or is let's keep it real immovable. Okay. So let me give you the details. This is according to reporting from politico. Ward is gaining traction among those who wants rejected her muscular vision of liberalism. She's drawn notice for her wide ranging, I have a plan for that policy playbook, which has just enough growth and opportunity. Center-left measures to earn her a serious look from former detractors so some of them. Former detractors included third way. Right. This is a corporate backed think tank that in that wrote a scathing up at about her back in two thousand thirteen and now all of a sudden they're totally changing their, their tone on this. But before I get to what they had previously written. I just want to read this little excerpt that I came across today in Vanity Fair, and I want to ask you, whether you think this is objective journalism, quote the endorsements from people like Dan Gerstein a former speechwriter to over-centralised. Joe Lieberman reflect her growing popularity both in the crowded primary field. And as an alternative choice to that old frightening socialist boogeyman from Vermont Miller. No they're neutral. They're check give we're the bias wants for telling you, what are true perspective, is we like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, and that's. Progressives and were progressives Vanity Fair. And all these other groups are like, no, we have no opinion at all. Except for that, socialist. Bugging him Bernie Sanders. No, you're not at all biased. So look funny enough Dame gercy, an I R, our friends and that doesn't stop us from disagreeing. Lieberman was not an Uber. Centrist. He was a right wing hawk neoconservative democrat that had no business in democrat party so Mungo things, Dan. And I disagree it. Right. So let me give you a little bit of what about from third way. What are they saying about Elizabeth Warren? Well, Matt Bennett, who's a co-founder for third way says one is a democratic capitalist narrative. The other is a socialist narrative. So really at the heart of this is the fear mongering about socialism. And look, if you're a corporate back thing tank, your best interest is, of course, to look out for corporate profits. And so there's that but previously real quick. I wanna I wanna give you a third way had written about Elizabeth, Warren back in two thousand thirteen nothing would be more disastrous for Democrats. Then to adhere to warns brand of economic populism. Nothing would be more disastrous for Democrats so two points about this that are very important. Number one gets a trick. And number two, they have no idea. Kind of damage. They're doing Elizabeth Warren. So if they think they're helping her they got a funny way of showing it, so first of all in the tree now, somebody, you might remember I told you this. I don't remember it was a year ago or two years ago. I said, if Bernie Sanders starts to get momentum Eliza the establishment will panic and go to Elizabeth Warren, if it looks like there is no serious challenger to Bernie Sanders. They'll go. They'll go I meant Elizabeth Warren. And I think a lot of you remember me saying that, you know, put it on Twitter and new people were like, yeah. I remember that. So, and that is exactly what's happening here. It's also this turn now is a testament to how weak they think Joe Biden nece because if they've on Joe Biden was gonna win, they'd like warn scary, disastrous terrible. Right. They'd stick with buying but they know by going down. And then they were hoping that come la- Harris or one of the other ones that they trust would rise, but they're not rising. They're like, wait a minute. If binds going down and others are not rising. Sanders is number to panic so they, they have already hit the panic button, nickel warn. Yeah. Fine war no problem. We'll take Warren, but do not fall for the trick not to say you shouldn't vote for Elizabeth Warren. She's a wonderful progressive, and don't take third ways word for anything okay? She didn't ask them to say this, and that's why they're actually doing or. They're doing your harm because it makes us seem like she's a corporate democrat where she didn't ask for it. She didn't say, I'm having to take their endorsement. She didn't say any of that stuff. Right. But understand this, if they take out Bernie Sanders by pretending to support Elizabeth Warren write it down in stone. I guarantee you, that's third way and all the other corporate Democrats and this spin will turn on a dime. And we'll immediately say, oh, you know what, you know what we looked at Elizabeth, Warren policies, and it turns out, they are radical, it turns out, they are dangerous. It turns out, they are disastrous, so no, not Elizabeth Warren either. So we're comma, Harris source people to judge. I think you're right in what they're trying to do with their strategy here. I don't think that they like her economic policies, especially policies that would include, you know, forgiving student loan debt, those types of things. However, do you think that they have a point about? How malleable she could be right? So there's the Medicare for all thing how she said she was supportive. And then all of a sudden it appears that she's more accepting of Medicare for America. Right. Or whatever it is that the centrist Democrats are trying to title it, which is, which is essentially a public option of version of, of the Affordable Care Act. There's also the proposal, she put out in regard to the green military. I don't know if you saw that, but I have I have some news for you. A lot of the military is already pretty green like the Pentagon understands that climate change is a national security issue, and they've actually been, you know, pretty serious about developing green programs within their department. But some people are viewing that some progressives are viewing that as a way to funnel more money to the military. I don't think so. I think it's solely unfair to her. She's trying to get more things to be environmentally friendly. Including the biggest government program of all the military. That's not a bad thing. I think that's a good thing. That doesn't mean you do it in lieu of anything else. And look, we have our answering a sense just today. She signed the, the progressive economic pledge a TY T dot com soc pledged, so she reached out to us and said, yes, I'd like to sign that, that clearly says, green new deal and it does not say, and in fact, I double checked with them. It does not say Medicare for America. It says I will fight for Medicare for all right? Okay. So that is very clear. And, and in terms of the third ways of the world, they better be careful what they are asking for. Because look, I is there a legitimate critique of Elizabeth, Warren and other areas? Of course, there's also Jim Macree, critique of Bernie Sanders is some areas, whether it's guns in the past for Bernie Sanders or maybe some foreign policy issues that people have to sort out and get a little bit clear positions for Elizabeth Warren, etc. Those are all fair question. Right. But she has for a long time. Been on the side of we must hold corporations accountable. We must hold banks accountable and remember, third ways, mainly financed by the banks. The biggest supporter, probably that Elizabeth Warren has had threat or career is Peter vlsi. The progressive change campaign committee. Okay. I don't know that they dislike any group more than they dislike third way. I mean, they are mortal enemies, so and third way. Can't stand them. So for third way to come out and say, give a bear hug that Elizabeth Warren did not ask for to Lisbeth warn if they think it's being helpful. It is as usual wrong politics, on their part. And, and they're knuckleheads. Now, look, a lot of this is going in that direction. And that's because they think that Elizabeth Warren won't do some of the things that she says that's on Elizabeth Warren. She's got to prove them wrong. So I think she will do a lot of these things that I think she partly proved it today by saying, yes, you will can hold me cannibal. That pledge. So we're gonna find that obviously, but I definitely would not take third ways word for it. This is nothing but a trick. So one, other interesting angle to the story that I want to talk a little bit about third way Democrats, and particularly the leaders of the think tank, third way seem to be warming up to Elizabeth Warren. And in fact, the VP and co-founder of third way his name is Matt Bennett said, quote, the exception is Senator Bernie Sanders. We're open to everybody except for him now. Interestingly enough Bernie Sanders has challenged Democrats, specifically, establishment Democrats third way, Democrats who consistently or constantly call for unity, but then go out of their way to smear someone like Bernie Sanders, and so I want you to take a look at his challenge, and then we'll discuss what the likelihood is of this, even happening. Take a look up. Keep everything. It can to defeat Donald Trump. And if that candidate turns out to be a lot more conservative than me somebody like Joe Biden with somebody else. I will knock my brains out to see that. He or she is elected because I wanted the feet, Donald Trump's, I'm asking this corporate wing of the Democratic Party. A Wall Street funded group called third way, if I win the nomination are you going to be there with me or you're going to go over to Don, we will reach out to them during the show. See if I can get you an answer. I'm going to want to answer that because I understand who third way, as they are funded largely by Wall Street and all corporate interests. And so they don't want Elizabeth Warren plans in the first place. Even though they're not pretending that they like are just so that they could ding up Bernie Sanders. They've been fighting, yes, Elizabeth Warren for as long as they existed. And she's been around again, it was we told you earlier in the show 2013 they wrote an article saying she'd be disastrous. Right. And but for them Bernie Sanders is just absolutely unacceptable, because they think Elizabeth Warren's rise might hurt Bernie Sanders. They think maybe we can get through to Elizabeth Warren with the right or wrong about that is immaterial, right? But they know with Bernie Sanders. He's a rock and they're not gonna move that rock, and they know it for sure no one's been able to move that videos. On the house floor on the Senate floor dating decades back, and he's been fighting the same thing. You know, there was some speculation earlier on is whether the rock was going to run for president turns out he has a name is Bernie Sanders. So now every corporation, every Wall Street banker knows he's not going to be able to persuade Bernie Sanders to school. Screw over the average American worker on behalf of the donors. This is not going to happen, you, you know, and I know it and they know it, most importantly, but these are the same guys who always screamed about unity. You have to support Joe mansion as he deregulates the banks, re when Joe Biden, deregulating the banks with the Clintons, you have to support him. You. Right now, of sudden, we will never support Bernie Sanders. Oh, interesting. So you like those tax cuts that Trump gave you saw that empty talk about resistance in fighting against Trump and unifying with Democrats. You never met any of it. Did you? So I love that challenge. Bernie Sanders did. And my guess is they're gonna wanna hide and run because they don't want to admit, yes, they would betray the Democratic Party. No, they never were Democrats in the first place. It was just a, a front group to get within the Democratic Party and corrupt it so that the Democrats would be neutered and never fight against the banks. So they don't want to give up the game. So they can't say that they would be vote for Trump and at the same time you noting vote for Bernie Sanders. In fact, they'll turn around on probably give money against Bernie Sanders, even if it's not the Trump what will they do? They'll find independent like Howard Schultz and they'll bring it back up and go take votes away from the dead. Democrats so that Trump can win. I guarantee you. That's what third way does. If Bernie Sanders is running. Hey, but they can prove wrong. They can say they can make a pledge right now. And saying, not only will we support Bernie Sanders. We will be happy to run. Millions of dollars of ads in favor of Bernie Sanders and against Donald Trump. Will you say that, you know, they're never gonna say that because the whole point of the group was a trick in the first place? It was a Trojan horse inside the Democratic Party and just keep in mind that they will go out of their way to accomplish the exact opposite of what the American public wants. So when it comes to Elizabeth, Warren's wealth tax, right? Polling indicates that it's very popular. I wanna go to graphic eleven real quick morning concert did a survey. And they found that sixty one percent of all voters favored, her two percent wealth tax on households worth, at least fifty million dollars among Democrats that number, of course is a little higher at seventy four percent. So while third way continues to push. For the tax cuts. And for the favors to these, these Wall Street executives, the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the American public is not in favor of it. This is why Donald Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy did not pull. Well, even among Republicans were, they were that is political wrote about it. They said at least one of Warren's lightning, rod proposals popular referring to the one that it just read you. I will wait a minute, at least one of her proposals almost every proposal that, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have polls incredibly, well, now you can find you a couple that don't so prisoners voting from inside prison might not pull that well, but Medicare for all of us seventy percent original greet new deal poll out of the Eighty-one percent increasing taxes on the rich polls at eighty two percent. That's why I'm surprised this number isn't higher. There's something wrong with that poll. I imagine that, that taxing people above fifty million dollars would pull even better. Okay. But I loved it for. Politico in this stablishment. That's a lightning rod. I mean real Americans are really worried about a two percent tax on people making over fifty million dollars a lightning rod. What a controversial opinion from pastas. All right. We gotta take a break. But when we come back, we're going to dunk on shank Uber. He was on Cuomo time. And maybe you deserve a little dunking. Oh, well, there's a lot of dogging going on and got a dunk tank tomorrow, as Russia dot cups TY to IT day. All right. We'll be right back. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks, if you want to get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member of T dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this free set. I'm back in the young Turks rebel dragon writes, in love the videos from Iowa. TY IT is too strong guys, if you dot com, anybody can view it go under special coverage, and you'll see the compilation video we did on Saturday and Sunday that gives you an excellent sense of what happened in just a quick amount of time. And, and they, it was a ton of fun, and you'll see all the things that we did. Please check that out. And then. Crazy Hawaiian ask question. What is a third way democrat? Well, they're trying to say is Republicans and Democrats, the two different ways. But there's third way is we don't hate gay people, and we don't hate black people. But we love bankers, and we love tax cuts for the rich and we love corporate deregulation. And, and we like corrupting the Democratic Party so that they only serve their donors. That's their third way. So now they do they have any actual human beings who support them. No. They have lobbyists consultants bankers donors, etc. I'm amused by the idea of third way. Having volunteers. Hey, you know, let's get together Missouri and Mississippi and rally for the big banks to buy author politicians third way. Obviously, there's not exist. They never have and never will have any ball in tears. So Robin Hood, spiff writes in do we need tickets a Miami. I'm stoked that you'll be back in Miami. So no, you do not need tickets. And so a lot of the planning is a little bit late. Because you we can't find out where the supporters are going to be where the candidates are going to be until just now. Like earlier today, we had a big planning meeting over it, but I'm super excited because it's I think it's going to be better than we expected. I think we're going to get a place where you guys can also watch the debate after doing the, it's not really a protests more than it is showing up and, and pressuring the politicians and the media, etc. So we're going to see you guys, some of the candidates might come speak to you. Guys is going. I'm going. I'm a big ones going, TY dot com slash rally. It's really important that you sign up there because it's a little complicated when you get there, where we're gonna meet. So we send you directions where to send you emails. And tax and say you gotta meet at such and such corner, etc. Because I want all of us to get together. I think it's going to be super fun. I was already jazz going to Miami. But now that we have some of the new planning in, I think the stuff we got ready for you. Guys. Is going to be great. Okay. So go to TY T dot com slash rally to sign up and get information on it. And of course if you can sign up at TI dot com slash pledge. All right. And what's next all right? Jank was back on Cuomo prime time debating with Kaley mcenaney and during the debate, it appeared that they had a conversation about Trump's lies and racism. So how did it go Jake? Yeah. I was sent Tony Joe Biden's racism, and normally we come on here and go, yeah. We did also. But even though the people were kind and, you know, a number of publications wrote about how I torched the Trump supporter, and, and I led by having all that is relatively true. There were actually couple of moments where I think I did something's wrong, and we're ridiculously honest, so we wanted to share that with you, as well. So first off, I was talking about Biden and his support for working with segregationists. And here's what I said, I think that Joe Biden is a real problem here, he keeps saying that he, he liked working with ration-. It's not just democratic side. Let's not forget that he bragged about wording was Strom Thurmond, who was deeply racist Republican, who ran for president under the segregationist ticket. And so binds gotta stop bragging about how much he likes racists. So there's no problem with what I said there. And I think that that's true. Both from policy perspective on political perspective. God is such a bad idea for binding to go around saying, man, I am so proud that I work with segregationists. Now I get it. He didn't agree with the segregationist. We all understand that, but it's a bizarre thing to brag about when, especially when you're basis support, within Democratic Party is largely African Americans. It's a bad idea and policy-wise these days is I explained later in the segment I don't want want you working with Mitch McConnell, because that's not going to get you any comp compromise that helps progressives. Yeah. And I'm glad you mentioned that because that's really the, the most important thing to take out of this whole situation. Right. He keeps bragging about his ability to work with some of the most deplorable people imaginable. But here's the thing in this day and age bipartisanship and unity usually means that the Democrats are going to give Republicans everything they want Mitch McConnell. Has no interest in bipartisanship or unity. He will obstruct he will do anything he can to get wins for himself and his own party. What he did to Mary garland is just one example of that. So we don't wanna hear about someone who's going to go in there and play games and try to, you know, make friends. We want someone who's gonna fight. It's exactly the wrong strategy. Also, when he's told the, the donors the other day in the same speech. Hey, don't worry nothing is going to change at all. That is a disastrous campaign slogan anyway. But the part that I was wrong about a Cuomo challenged me on so. Well, we're gonna find out who's right and wrong. I watch Cuomo, challenging if we accept your context, he didn't say he loved racists. He said that he remembered able to work with those guys even though he didn't agree with what was going on. And it was a statement about how now nobody can work with anybody. I definitely did not say that he loves racist. I said he loves working with people on the opposite side including racist. And that's just the fact because that's. What he said. Well, it's the fact that he did say that. But it's not a fact that I said that earlier in the program, so I didn't use the word love. But I did say this. Binz got gotta stop bragging about how much he likes racists. Oops Cuomo was right. I was run early in the segment. I did say that he likes racists and he's right to call me out on that. It's not fair to say he likes racists, he kept bragging about how he likes working with racists, so score. One for him wanna guess me there then it got worse. So killing back in any one of the things she does. And this is why the right wing likes her is, she's very aggressive now. I'm also very aggressive. A lot of Trump supporters are very aggressive. Not a lot of people on the left are. So they don't like that. I fight back. And, and then I won't get steamrolled so this time around she interrupted me way more when not let me finish any of my thoughts and it was deeply grading on the nerves. But it did lead me to say something I shouldn't have said. So let's watch that. Okay. First of all, it's hilarious that she's trying to claim that she's on the side effects when the Washington Post has Donald Trump lying over ten times in eight hundred sixty nine days, pathological liar. Hey, kaley. He just said the other day that he's going to round up millions of undocumented immigrants. Jay. Let me literally techs are no. Russia's anybody other show, three guys. Yeah. So I hate when that happens end. So number one, I don't like when we talk over each other. But when she or anything you yeah, right? We're just doesn't let you finish their point. So you only have two options. One is all right. Okay. We're gonna talk over me. I'm gonna talk over you or the other option, which is what Democrats have done for the last forty years on television surrender. That's right, right ends, go just let her talk over you, not let you finish your point. Do the squirrel move. She did it again. So I'm talking about the ten thousand lives is Donald Trump told that she was what, what about H X? She doesn't want you to finish the fact that he told ten thousand lines in eight hundred sixty nine days, she doesn't want that coming out. Right. So she's brazenly interrupts, but I shouldn't have said, hush-up I look, I totally agree with you. Right. You're in this unwinnable situation. Because if you speak over her as she's trying to interrupt you are people going to be able to hear the point that you're trying to make. And so it's frustrate. Rating. And this is what I don't understand. Right. And not to be too hard on the producers. But when that happens, I don't understand why they don't just go to your one shot and lower her Mike until you finish your point. Yeah, it's really hard to do is, if I think it is, and then all you have is a one sided argument because one side is gonna play this dirty trick where they interrupt you while you're making a good point. No, I think the we try to do it here. But sometimes Republicans don't listen to that either now nine hundred times even conservatives that we have on especially because we have more time than TV. We let them talk. We go back and forth. We make it clear with them. No filibustering and no interrupting. Right. And so setting it up ahead of time is better. But even. So sometimes, I don't care. I'm just never gonna stop talking. That's right. And one of the guys who famously did that on the truth was David Duke. He just would not shut up. So I told him to shut up several times, there was one, other guy Secolo who did it longtime. If that was actually in Madison L as the movie made about. Oh to show you that clip, because it relates to what I shouldn't have said. So this is a long time about seven years ago where an-and I had this debate after one of the shows where I told one of our guests, the Republican to shut up watch needed. That's even in the promo for Mattis. Hell, now, the reason part of the reason I play you that some people are like, oh my God. You said to a woman now there's, there's nuance to that. Right. Number one is you can tell him that clip. Believe me, I've said of the guys and it's on the same exact issue. If you don't let somebody finish their thought it's unacceptable. Okay. But as progresses, we have to be better than that. Because some words are problematic for the history that they have, even if you use them in a way that is not at all discriminatory, in that case or in that context, and as you can tell, and you guys have seen me, I've done it to men, women. It doesn't matter. And in fact, I think it's arguably a little patronizing to say, you can't do it to a woman, but you can do it to a man Kelly mcenaney is, whether you like it or not is, is a strong fighter for her side. I don't wanna patronize her by saying, well, I'll be more delicate with her because she's a woman. On the other hand, it does have a history. And that's why you shouldn't use it, right? I mean women for a very long time in America were not included, or or we're not even allowed to be part of a political discussion. Right. I mean think about women's suffrage like we had to fight just for the right to vote. And so. Yeah, I mean, if you think about the country's history a man telling woman in the middle of a political discussion to hush up doesn't look good and actually give you a lot of credit for recognizing that no one else in the media is brought this up. We're bringing up on our own because I always wanna correct anything we do wrong, even if it doesn't quote unquote, get us in trouble or anything along those lines. And, you know you don't you might be able to say boy, to a white guy, but you shouldn't say to a black guy so context matters. Right. And follow the money you, you know, is perfectly acceptable when it comes to lobbyists consultants et cetera. When use it in the context of Jewish you should be more careful about that. So in this context, I think I made a mistake there, even though she was deeply annoying, but you can't let. Get to. So now at the end, we're about to wrap up to segment. I'm like, no, I'm not going to get steamrolled. I'm at least going to go back substantively to what I was trying to ask or and challenge your on. So I said, this at that Canley will you come on here and agree that if in six months, he has a rounded up millions of undocumented immigrants that you are wrong, and I was right in that Trump's a liar? Okay. Then coma says, we've got to wrap it up. But the reason I wanted to challenge her on, that is Trump just said, as I was trying to say initially that he's going to round up millions of undocumented immigrants. We all know that it's campaign rhetoric and we know he's not going to do, and we know he's lying, and the context of the conversation was, how much Trump lies. So I know that she's not gonna come out and apologize when he doesn't do it. And of course, he's not gonna do it. Of course. Right. And that's why she didn't want to let me finish the thought because there is no good answer to that. Exactly. We gotta take a break. 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Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more at the Wilderness. PODCAST ASK DOT COM go subscribe. Why haven't you described? I have John I have as well lot. Save America's go go smash that subscribe button. Finally we'll be covering Tuesday's debate on our group thread. At YouTube dot com slash crooked media will also be shifting. Our pod schedule this week to cover the debate so we'll be recording an episode on Wednesday. They morning the day after the debate with Dan And John and Tommy Right here in the studio that will be releasing later that day and that will be in place of our normal Thursday pod so the debate big debate Let's get to the news. You guys won't believe this but it appears that the trump administration is lying about the reason that they lead us to the brink of war with Iran their original rationale for assassinating Qasim. Sola money was that he was planning an imminent attack. That was the word. Imminent and trump has since elaborated on this telling Laura Ingraham that four US embassies were targeted But this has now been contradicted by Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo who said the attacks were imminent but that quote. We don't know precisely nicely win and we don't know precisely where interesting interesting definition of imminent is usually time. It's time based condition. I thought but you know who knows That was also contradicted on Sunday. When Defense Secretary Mark Asper said that he hadn't seen any intelligence to indicate that the four embassies were targets but that quote with the president said was he believed? It probably could have been true and then me I mean that sounds legal. And that's all that was good that then I wake up this morning to an NBC news story that says Trumpet apparently authorized the assassination of Sulejmani seven months ago Which explains why it? It was on the menu of options that was provided to him Tell me do you see any way. The strike could be legally justified. If in fact there was is no imminent attack plan which it looks like there wasn't I think it's important to remember that. There's a a a debate important about whether it's legal but that doesn't mean it's smart policy right right So there's her two filters with which view this legality question is complicated. There's international law domestic law but a lot of this shaky because domestic laws precedent set by various administrations. Well see opinions. That are that are built on previous actions. None of that is necessarily legal per se or right because there's no one to adjudicate these steps except for us the voter so The administration has offered like five different claims. Now for the imminence right. I love it mentioned last week. That Mike Pence was tweeting about nine eleven in Iran that was novel a few hours until the shutdown they do seem to latch onto this imminence claim. They say that they are acting in self defense because of an imminent threat from Sulejmani. But they've undercut that argument now several ways the first is that the first statement out of d the night of the strike didn't mention imminent so it seems like they've cobbled together their legal justification after the fact Second the nature of this imminent threat keeps changing. Was it a threat to the Baghdad embassy. Trump's suggests it was a threat on four for different embassies but none of those embassies were notified about a threat. You'd think that if you're working embassy with this scary big threat you'd be told about it and maybe told to act accordingly the yeah yeah third they refuse to provide evidence of this imminent threat to Congress including the gang of eight who get briefed on like everything even the most sensitive stuff And they're also supposed to consult with Congress beforehand. Dan bore sort of passed that point so it does seem like they've latched onto this imminence as their legal rationale But it is not holding water and ultimately they can prove it they can declassify. Whatever they want? trumpcare walked Sean Hannity in the Oval in show him all the Intel that he's got but the thing to remember is that you know we the voters the one that will kind of adjudicate claims yet love. That's what I was going to say like. What where does this leave us now? Right like it it. It sort of reminds me of some of the shifting explanations around the Ukraine scandal. Remember it was well if there was a quid pro quo. That would be bad. But there's no quid pro quo. And then there was a quid pro quo and then like other quid. Pro Quo doesn't matter so it's like yeah. You could see trump in the administration. I mean this is what's happening. They don't really care about this imminent attack explanation anymore. Trump is basically just out there saying well. He's is a bad guy. And I get to kill bad guys if I want. That's the deal and Democrats love bad guys and I don't kill them. That's it seems like that. He is politically comfortable going with that argument. And saying I don't really give a shit if you prove that we're all lying about this imminent attack stuff right. Yeah I mean I think the imminence defense is not really. They've not really really tried to make an argument. That not only. was there a clear imminent threat. That killing Sulejmani would have prevented it. They've not made any argument like that. And by the way National Security officials in the trump administration going on television saying they can't backup with the president. Saying is is a big deal as well in part because there's only two things there's only two ways this can be true either one president's lying which obviously what's going on or two there was an imminent threat against Americans around the world and various people charged with protecting Americans don't know about it. The president knew about got it and nobody else knew about it. Including the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense didn't have the information the other piece of this to you know again. There's so many ways in which what trump is doing is reprehensible at once They've also not told We've not provided any of this intelligence to the gang of Eight. These are the eight people have Democrats. That's half Republicans. They are the leader in the Senate leaders in the House and the leaders of the Intelligence Committee. And you know they've insinuated over the course of the past whatever week and a half they could entrust these people with this intelligence. And it's worth remembering. We're talking about. Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer Adam Schiff and Mark Warner he's obviously Zenana. impugning the Republicans. He is basically making a claim that these four human beings cannot be trusted with sensitive national security information. That is horsh these are these are the the most trustworthy people. He tweeted government. He tweeted that Schumer would tell the Iranians I mean look at Obama took an expanded Take on the definition of imminence when it came to Qaeda leaders. You didn't have to be amassing troops on the border planning to invade us for us to think that was an imminent threat if you were a senior operational al Qaeda leader who is plotting attacks on American's all day. Every day Obama Justice Department will see everybody in between Believe that we could take lethal force against individuals. But you know a equating. We're at war with al Qaeda and equating that rationale for how you deal with an Kaieda operational leaders with Qassams Lemani who's a senior general In Iran is a big deal and the risk of escalation is enormous. I mean we should just pause to say that since the strike we sent tens of thousands more troops in the Middle East Isis missions in the training missions are are paused. The Iraqi government is voted this out. Iran stepped away from the Iran on nuclear deal and we learned that trump ordered a second strike against another juicy target. who was a top commander in Yemen? Clearly that guy wasn't posing an imminent threat. There's all the risks of escalating a war with Iran by taking out that individual. While I was GonNa say I think the lies matter yes because of the consequences of what happens. Next trump said Iran was cheating on the Iran. Deal he lied toiling. It was not true pulled out of the Iran deal and now look where we are all the chaos chaos has followed is because he lied and got away with it and then just pulled out of the Randall now he has lied about an imminent attack on. US interests and US forces is or at least has failed to provide the evidence Or even tried to provide the evidence and now all the consequences that Tommy just mentioned plus whatever happens from here on out right. It's one thing if esscalation happens still a bad thing. But it's one thing if escalation happens because there was an imminent attack on our troops our interests and we tried to stop it and then the Iranians escalating go from there but if there was no imminent attack and we see further consequences from this then that means it was just a decision that trump made not based on an attack based on whatever he decided was the roots in to do this because he wanted tobacco because he wanted to appease Republican senators because he's quote the victim an impeachment which we which we also heard about last week to that part part of the reason he did this because getting pressure from Republican senators who he needed to acquit him In in the impeachment trial because he saw an attack on our embassy on television right. He's already basically said that. We know that based on reports of what was happening at the time that this wasn't because if somebody came to him and said You know Mr President. We have this incredibly time. Sensitive information about Sulejmani directing attack against Americans. We know that that is not the inciting incident they basically said so and and they said so before they realized they were going to go back to the imminence argument. Yeah and so. I don't go back to what Tommy said a little a couple of minutes ago. which is the election really is served through the only way to check this because last week in Congress what we saw play out was you know they try? The House passed the war powers resolution and they got a few Republicans on board but probably doesn't go anywhere in the Senate There was a separate bill that I know you guys have talked about in the world where Democrats are pushing legislation that would cut off any any funding for armed conflict with Iran unless it is explicitly authorized by Congress. Doesn't seem like that has a big chance of passing either. You've seen when like even even Matt Gaetz or or Mike Lee or these Republicans even momentarily criticize the idea that maybe the president is. All powerful can declare war in assassinate people whenever he wants they get in so much trouble from other Republicans and then have to go like groveling back to Donald Trump's really pathetic. So really I think the you know it's we have a complete unconstrained unconstrained president that the election is the only way to The election is only gonNA do some threat. Well Congress has a anti I mean if they could pass the the Rokon Bernie Sanders Bill. Oh that would prevent trump from spending money on offensive operations against Iran. I think that is a pretty strong step. That could take I think the legislation that was passed in the house. is non-binding tribute. Plus he didn't want trump to veto it. I'm not sure why I should think that that's good politics if he's vetoing Adverts to stop happen from going to war in Iran and doing it twice I believe he vetoed the Yemen one as well but I mean the the biggest constraint that we've seen so far on trump I think is this. ABC News poll that showed showed how unpopular war with Iran. So yeah let's talk about that poll the ABC News poll released on Sunday. Found that fifty. Six percent of people disapprove the way. The President President Trump is handling the current situation with Iran and at fifty two percent of people believe that the decision to assassinate Sola. Money has made the United States less safe. Poll also found seventy three percent of people were either very or somewhat concerned about the possibility of the United States and Iran entering into a full-scale war And a few other polls have basically found similar results. Since this crisis this began So much for the big win for trump Means Reassuring is reassuring that you know if anything can be reassuring that The American people do not trust Donald Trump to lead the military. Do not trust him to protect national security and they don't trust him when he offers rationales that is it is good to. I know that for all of the I think the trepidation that the rules of politics don't apply to Donald Trump You know the American people have been paying attention. And and Donald Trump does not get the benefit of the doubt. He does not get a presumption of good faith or Responsibility ability they. He is generally viewed as reckless and dangerous and that applies when he is taking these kinds of unilateral actions. I mean Tommy. Don't you think about this but I also see that pundit brain is is a bit stuck in two thousand one two thousand and two and it used to be that you know showing force equals is political strength in politics right. Democrats were always pushed to you. Got To look tough on terrorists and terrorism just like Republicans. Because that's what's politically popular. But I do think two decades later as we're now still in the middle of two wars and have lost how however many soldiers Over the over these years and still have people people fighting in these wars. I think there's also a war weariness that that enters into the politics just as much as a wow that politicians is tough because they use military force against a bad guy. I think that's true. I mean I do think that the legacy of the Iraq war is that a lot of happy talk in advance of the military conflict no longer seems believable to a lot of people that we were the the Dick. Cheney really said we'd be greeted as liberators is so unbelievably absurd. When you think about it all these years later that I think people this time around were rightly very concerned earned a seventy-three percent in fact we're very concerned or somewhat concerned about the possibility of the US and Iran entering into a full scale war? And that's a good thing I mean. Yeah he's we're not in control of what happens next when you decide to kill a top general of another country. They have handedness. Yes okay. Lots of twenty twenty news to talk about a On Friday afternoon the famously accurate Des Moines Register poll had Bernie Sanders at Twenty Percent Elizabeth Warren. At Seventeen Percent Pete Buddha judge at sixteen percent Joe Biden fifteen percent percents in close on his heels. Not sure eleven percent No one else crack double digits and was just a few weeks left to go. Only forty percent percent of likely caucus goers say that. They've made up their minds My various political analysis is that this race is wide open. It's anyone's anyone's raised. Anything could happen. what's your take your take love it. I think it's it's you know. I mean you said it in a way. But it's true that the that between whatever the vagaries of polling and just the way up the caucus will unfold across Iowa. I don't really think you can get that much more specific especially with this monmouth poll. That came out that showed Biden in the lead burning. Oh Yeah let's go. Let's go those numbers quickly. Amendment came out today smaller sample size Doesn't know Iowa quite as well as the Joint Register Shapur but it's a poll so by twenty four Sanders Eighteen Pete Seventeen Warren Fifteen That was yeah. That was the Monmouth Bowl. And all that. I think AH response to seeing Bernie Biden Pete and Warren all kind of in in In contention and I think a lot of a lot of this. It's hard to predict because it plays out in genuine debate. Conversation people moving around a gym in Iowa and it'll have to do with the enthusiasm of the people that show up to caucus for various candidates right. Like if you come at this with the presumption that Bernie and Warren supporters are GonNa be more enthusiastic in a caucus than than Biden supporters of. That's the presumption you're going with. Well it might mean that you know As things shake out in various caucuses some of those people will move from nine to Warren and Bernie depending on Ah What happens in that room. Tommy what did you what we some takeaways. So I mean I think the first thing for people to know is that the register poll really is the best in the business in the sample sizes Hughes. They talked with seven hundred voters so this is probably the most accurate poll and they'll probably do more before caucus day so just something to keep an eye out for. I thought a couple of things one. It's nice another traditional politics still works. I mean Warren got a lead people criticized her she dipped in the polls. She kind of rebounded here. Picot lead people criticized him dip in the polls holes. He still has time to rebound If I were Bernie I would be very happy about this whole all along. It's just felt like it sometimes. Literally hard to see his support like at the at the Democratic Party dinner that I attended in Iowa like his folks weren't there so it's hard to know what's going on but this is a very good number for them. I will be very happy if I were worn. That rebounded That's a shot in the arm. She probably wants and needs going to this. Pete has the biggest universe of people that is seems to be considering him so. That's good good news for him and I honestly like I would want to be in a better place if I were Biden. It's worth noting in the MONMOUTH poll. They have him leading but it still interesting that he hasn't run that hard in Iowa you know. I think people would argue. He doesn't have the most sophisticated organization but he's still hanging tough there fifteen. Yeah so a few things that jumped out at me. I mean I am fascinated with the thirty two percent of voters here who are currently split between Undecided Clova Char Yang Booker Star Chelsea. Where do they go right because then candidate so thirty? Two percent of people are either undecided or not supporting one one of the top four candidates who are all about fifteen percent and of course as you all learn from pods America in Iowa There's a fifteen percent viability threshold and so once the caucus happens on caucus night. If you don't if you can't it doesn't hit fifteen percent you go to another candidate. You have the APP that's in that precinct by precinct. Seventeen hundred or so many elections happening opening on caucus night. And in each of those you have to fifteen percent support to be able to get delegates out of that precinct right. Would you can't see in the top line of the poll is where their support is distributed. It do people have a ton of support in college towns and not as much across rural parts of Iowa or are they more evenly distributed some anything Bernie Sanders point to you so you can see that in the poll which is Great You can You can break it out by rural suburb and city They have the sub samples. rurals pretty evenly split. The warrant is actually slightly ahead. Pete's winning in the suburbs and then the city looks basically like the poll with Bernie with just a bit of lead So that thirty two percent though that basically is going to have to disperse between these or might have dispersed between these four. Four candidates That that's the whole race right there especially when these for four candidates are so close to each other and so they did some polling of this thirty two percent and Fifty five percent of them are considering Buddha judge. fifty-three eighty three Biden. FORTY-THREE ARE CONSIDERING Warren and forty one percent or considering sanders so sanders is The second choice of eleven percent of these caucus goers so. I agree with you that this is very good. News for Bernie Sanders this entire poll. Also because sixty percent of Bernie supporters minds are made up that's higher than any other candidate. Ah Fifty percent or very enthusiastic compared to thirty two for Warren or twenty six for buying and Buddha judge so he's got that going for him but I think the only warning sign for Bernie is and this has been the question all. How long does he have a ceiling? Right like when you look at that other thirty two percent and how they're gonNA distribute themselves. You know fewer of them are considering Bernie than some of the other other candidates. He's the second choice of fewer of these undecideds and other people. So that is that's something to watch the the one thing that people should know it's been covered a little bit but not that much much is this year. The Iowa Democratic Party is releasing more information. They're going to release the pre realignment. Raw vote totals so before that whole viability discussion. That we just talked about where people are used to see. If you've got fifteen percent or not they're going to release that count and they're gonNA release the count after people realign the second count so who knows how that will all just be he viewed by the punditocracy. The other thing I would just say is like I follow a lot of the Warren Iowa team on twitter. I don't follow as many of other campaigns. So they could have been out doing this too. But it's notable that there was like a giant blizzard over the weekend and these kids are all out just canvassing their asses off from from dusk till dawn in eleven degree weather are and if you're in a rural precinct where like twenty people show up and you find those extra two that were on nobody else's radar screen and bring him in a race that split among on this many candidates that can be the difference. I do think like organization. This year could be even more important than ever for sure. I do want to go through each of the top candidates and just talk about where they are in this poll so Buddha judge you know he. He basically dipped the most out of anyone between polls he lost nine percent since the last poll His his favorability rating eating also took a hit His unfavorability climbing up a little bit I think as as Tommy was saying this is also a consequence of you know being in the lead people. Start taking shots at you The he's still does have sixty percent saying they are considering him. In some capacity that is the biggest number of any of these candidates which tells me that he is someone who a lot of people lichner considering but he just has not closed the deal with a lot of people so there are a lot of questions people have about people that he is not answering yet. and I think maybe some of that has to do with likability ability. Some of that has to do with. He's competing for a lot of the voters as Joe Biden and a lot of people see Biden a safer alternative. He's not so much in the liberal lane anymore as he he used to be earlier so I think that's a big challenge. It is interesting to the electability piece each of these candidates Bernie by Pete and Warren they. Each have an elected ability indicates that they're making for themselves and they each have a pretty tough case against their electability being made against them right by their opponents and and I do really think you feel all in these shifting numbers how those electability arguments are resonating because for each of them there are electrically cases in some ways perspective. Right you know Bernie's said you no Yes I'm further to the left and that might dissuade some moderates but were but this is the only way to build the enthusiasm and get out new voters and and the young voters. We need to win. You Know Biden talks about the moderate case. Pete has intellect ability argument. Warren has a an economic argument. I think one of the reasons this does still feel so wide open as we head into the final into the final final days before the Iowa caucus is because I think none of those arguments or persuasive none of them that no one has a persuasive electability argument and no one has a persuasive. Ah Persuasive argument against the electability of any of these candidates and so we're just every everyone I think feels that kind of uncertainty and I think it has just been playing out in the polls just week after week after week. Well because you know so Bernie Sanders had the biggest gain of any candidate between last boneless poll five points but the biggest gain between last poll in this poll was undecided. which gained six points? So it's a very unsettled race. Talking about Joe Biden. If I was real Biden I would be worried that my support is a little soft. Yeah he has the least enthusiastic caustic supporters. Only twenty two percent have very favourable view of Joe Biden which is the lowest very favorable among the candidates Only forty four percent of his supporters have made up their mind nine. which is much lower than Bernie a little bit lower than Pete in Warren to So I think that's something. I thought the interesting question which is of all these factors. What's the most important Norton factor to you in choosing the candidate? Most important to make up your mind number one a candidate's ability to unite the country sixty nine percent said that was extremely dreamily important. I was just about to bring this up. I mean we a lot of US online. Mock Joe Biden for talking about Republicans coming to their senses trying to work with Mitch McConnell and I think right we given the history of how Mitch McConnell has operated over the past well since that piece of shit was born but It's what voters want to hear. Sometimes things might sound on pie-in-the-sky in naive on the campaign trail but it's incredibly appealing to voters. And maybe they've seen that we'll look the his interesting set on that they also added Bring bring on. Republicans and independents in November is an option in fifty percents. That was extremely important. But that's a big difference between fifty and sixty nine for unite. The country. People don't necessarily early think that the Democratic candidates going to you know unite Republicans with us and and fix things in Washington and Change Mitch McConnell but as they they want their democratic candidate to try. Just because the other side's GonNa be shit they don't want you to be shit too. They want you to at least try to reach out and look sixty fifty nine percent saying that it's extremely important that means it's a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters. Who believe that? It's a lot of Elizabeth Warren supporters. Who believe that too? It's not just Biden and Buddha judge people. Well it's also I think too. It's the most divorce thing from the online conversation. Yeah but I also think part of it too is that The the way that unity has played out inside of the primary. Sorry it has become ideological which doesn't have to be You Know Biden has spoken about unity and often in the same breath has talked about what Tommy's referencing the ability to appeal to Republicans them coming to their senses Being a consensus in the country. Whatever what have you on policy but I mean there's a way to talk about unity? That's it's not about giving in on key policy questions it's about rhetoric it's about being an alternative to Donald Trump. It's about not giving into the kind of scorched earth rhetoric that Donald trump uses all the time. And you know that is that is something I think everybody feels everybody including you know some of the most left wing part pieces of our Party. You know the the the one thing I would say about about about Bernie Sanders is incredibly tough on Donald Trump of course but in the way that he actually campaigns he has his villains. But there's a kind of There's inspiration and positively to the way. He approaches the problems that we're going to solve the way we're gonNA come together as a country without ever giving in on a key values questions policy questions. No I think the should we fight or should we all get along debate. Has It's been viewed as ideological by a lot of reporters a lot of pundits and it doesn't necessarily have to be. There's two different things. There's an ideological debate within the Party about policy. And then there is you know bringing the country together versus fighting which is hard to hear in. Voters are complicated. You Talk to voters and they want both they want someone to shake up Washington and up in the system because it's not working for them and fight all the corporate special interests in Washington and they want to bring the country together. Also you know. They don't see it as conflicting they. Don't I was thinking about this just in the past few days. You know we're again we're now used to it because of trump but like Kevin McCarthy earthy the Republican leader in the house going on television saying you know basically you know. Democrats are sympathetic to Sulejmani sympathizers to Sulamani that you know all these Republicans saying that we we mourn Sulamani You know we're on. We're on the run. Sumani side. Were apologizing for him. What have you and it just sort of like? God what should he fucking co co workers you work with Nancy Pelosi on a daily basis and so I it is this crazy thing like people want something that gets beyond this kind of politics takes when we're fighting against a side that has just become just so toxic and and I do understand why people view Biden talks about it as naive and and yet and yet there is still this pull that we all have something better and yes. It's not on US completely and no we can't solve it. We can't make Republicans act like better more civilized human beings and yet we still want our candidates to at least believe it's possible and at least will do their part To lessen this sort of toxic environment even if we're not responsible and even if we don't give in on key policy no we're we're Joe Biden should get to is no. I don't WanNa work with these Republicans. Kevin McCarthy is an asshole just send me better Republicans. We're going to beat this crops. Find some better on a beep described One other interesting thing on electability so among voters who Who have made up their mind already? Electability is actually less of a concern in this poll but among the persuadable caucus-goers who haven't made up their mind yet a fifty nine percent think it's extremely important to that we can be dump trump so as we're starting to decide towards the end of this maybe it's not surprising but like electability is how a lot of these people are going to do. It's no surprise that Elizabeth Warren is closing hard on electability message. She's talking about big structural change. She's talking about she unite the Party unite coalitions and the You know barely antiwar and talking points that we'll talk about it in a second also criticize her ability to get elected. I think that anecdotal evidence that I've seen I've read the newspapers is that almost The the driving issue for most Iowa caucus goers is it. They're scared shitless they're gonNa make the wrong choice. Donald Trump will get reelected and they're choosing accordingly. And frankly frankly I get it on there yet no I I hear that too and you're right she's making the electability case Bernie Sanders has been making the electability case for a while I imagine that on Tuesday night. We'll see a lot out of that one more polling thing that's non divine register related before we move onto the latest skirmishes in the primary Tom Sire will be on the debate stage tomorrow night after two very very good polls from Fox News that have him in second place in South Carolina at fifteen percent Second place to Joe Biden and tied for third place in Nevada with twelve percent. What the hell what's going on with Tom? Style guys. That plaid tie came to play I think. TV ADS work. You know what I mean especially when you take when you have an open playing field like certainly it is true that when you have a general election in one side spending a billion in one side spending a billion to maybe it ends up being awash. I duNno I'll leave the smarter people to figure it out but when one candidate is running like a thousand points of positive bio TV ads for months at a time. Of course people are GonNA learn that individual's name maybe call. They haven't thought about the race. Much uh-huh yeah that's dire guy so much TV. I like Thai yards every time and therefore You know you can kind of by your way into into some of these debates and things. It's not great but you know look that said. I do think that this is why I was arguing last week. That I think Bernie's the front runner because I think that all this stuff shifts very quickly once there is the result and people start really really paying attention. Yeah I think I'm I'm am inclined to sign onto that take after after this week. Taft the last week just because I was thinking like look if Joe Biden doesn't win an Iowa if he ends up in third or fourth Bernie's he's in a very good position in New Hampshire and Bernie's in a good position Nevada. And you do get bounces once you start winning some of these caucus and primary states and even if Joe Biden wins in South Carolina You know depending on who still in the race or who has dropped out. I think losing the first three races Even if you have have a solid wall of support among black voters Joe Biden does It becomes much harder once. You've lost three in a row. Let's Burns doing better than I expected him to. Due among African American voters polled in Washington postponed. So I do think yeah name. I D probably has a lot to do with these national polls. That's true the pods America's brought to you by blue apron can healthy be delicious. 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Newspaper this weekend in which she accused Biden didn't have repeatedly betraying African Americans in the state. Turner criticized Biden on everything from working with segregationist senators to his position on welfare. Reform to criminal justice What do you guys think? The strategy here is behind hitting by specifically on Iraq and then on racial in criminal justice. Is it smart. You know the interesting thing about that. Op Ed furloughs withering me just incredibly tough. Contrast is the way it's framed is voters in South Carolina. Have a choice. It's either either Bernie or it's Biden and part of what their strategies. It's not just about going after Biden. It's about pushing Elizabeth Warren aside as a choice in that conversation that basically there's they'll left candidate and then there's the moderate candidate and here's how you should adjudicate decision trying to push her out of that debate I buy were on the warn campaign. Be Very frustrated by that. I don't know that it's a stupid thing for the Bernie Campaign to do. Yeah would you think I mean I think the the Iraq conversation it's obvious to contrast that Bernie Sanders is Highlighted every step along the way in this campaign but I imagine at the bat that Voters are more focused on foreign policy now than they would normally be because of the Iran strikes. And so you know I. I think Biden's struggle to defend that vote would give me Pause if I were his team and it would give me some hope that it's ineffective critique if I were Bernie's team I do think there's an easy answer there which is we were lied to by the Bush administration about the intelligence intelligence case for WMD. We relied that they would exhaust all efforts at diplomacy before going to war. That said it was a mistake to trust them. It was a mistake to vote for the authorisation. And I feel like that would put it to bed rather than trying to do this process of educating voters about what you believed the authorization vote to be how supposed to go to the I mean. Hillary tried a lot of this against Obama and it was devastatingly effective for Obama against her trotting out John John Kerry someone whom I respect enormously but who lost the two thousand four election because of his Iraq war vote and it's an inability to explain or defend it in some ways It doesn't seem like the best strategy. Yeah the two overlapping groups of voters. That Biden and Bernie are both competing for our Working Class Whites noncolored white and the Democratic Party. You're still you know. Make up a fourth with third of the Democrat coalition and Black voters and very few of the the other candidates are doing well among either of those groups right so all Biden and Bernie fighting for those and I think Bernie strategy here is to say to those groups voters. Look look at our records in the past. So and who do you trust more going forward. Joe Biden was for Nafta Joe Biden voted for the Iraq. War Joe Biden. What would vote for the bankruptcy bill? Joe Biden voted for the crime. Crime Bill on Bernie Sanders's part of the two but some of the other is not mentioned in that mentioned that up. Ed Yeah Right. But so he's got he's got to peel off some of those voters by asking people to look into into the past. I think if I was Biden you WANNA keep pressing forward. You are press forward here you WANNA tell people to look ahead and not worry about the past and say here's where I am now. I've come out. Strongly against the money has the nation. I've learned my you know what he hasn't said which I've learned my lessons from Iraq right and when we were debating a surge in Afghanistan. I I was the one who said No. I don't want endless war and I don't want you know like buying can tell the story about learning less than what that how that shapes him. His views going forward and he's been progressive on economic omic issues throughout the Obama Administration as progressive as most of the parties And he could talk about. That Bernie wants to bring it to the past. I think that's going to be an interesting dynamic as we. I'm I'M GONNA be interested to see that on Tuesday night. I mean it's it's it's a really tough spot for Biden because you know his cases and experience case he makes it all the time my wisdom my experience and then Bernie you can just go through and say what did your experience get us. Look at all these different ways like your career. You know we look back on it and the things that make up the sum total of your experience aren't indictment can't of the system as we currently have it whether it's on trade or on foreign policy and if all of your experience were in in was in taking positions that are now anathema to the democratic base. What's it worth to us? Yeah I think what Biden a smart Biden rejoinder would be. Yeah well you WANNA raise taxes on middle class people and you've admitted that And I'm GonNa go and remember the Obama years when I was there and everything was going well and you like that. That's what I'm offering. And that was sort of his his status quo ante message from the beginning was. AM where Obama right exactly So the more surprising contrast from the campaign came in the form of a volunteer script. That politico got hold of the script. Hell Sanders volunteers to tell potential voters that even if they like Elizabeth Warren quote. She's bringing no new basis to the Democratic Party and that quote the people who support port her are highly educated more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democrat no matter what Warren said on Sunday that she was quote disappointed to hear the Bernie is sending his volunteers tears out to trash me. Sanders and senior. Aides from his team didn't challenge the authenticity of the script. But they said they hadn't seen or approved the talking points What's what's the strategy here? Well how big of a deal is this guys. I mean look. This isn't the harshest attack. I've ever seen a campaign. It's probably not the harshest attack. We will read this week but it speaks to the fact that Bernie's trying to close then elect ability argument and he sees warrants supporters as potential sanders supporters. No surprise it also seems to me like Warren wanted this fight. She wanted young like they have seized the moment to respond to Bernie and say it was a response in that. She's on defense as a way of beginning meaning to do away with the day tot that's existed between them for this period until now now if I were Warren basically when you do something like this when you attack Korea respond to attack you kick coverage of the attack right. And if I were worn I would be a little more worried about voters being educated about a belief that I can't win and I'm not collectible be as I don't bring other voters to the table. Dan People being educated on the fact that Bernie is quote unquote gone negative on. I think that's a less salient attack in every election. Shen always forever. I could not agree with that more. I mean what Warren is trying to do because I saw some of her campaign say this is. They're now trying to make this argument that she is the unity candidate in the party. That there's going to be a big segment of the democratic electorate who says they're going to be very upset if Joe Biden's the nominee and a big -ment of the Democratic Electric who say they're going to be upset if Bernie Sanders. This is the nominee and very few people say they're going to be upset of Elizabeth Warren the nominee. She is the most well liked of all the candidates in Des Moines Register. Poll in Iowa has the highest S. favorability rating of anyone. She's also got a ninety three percent approval rating among very liberal voters in Iowa which is means that. A lot of Bernie people most Bernie people probably doubly who are backing Bruni in Iowa like warranties so she reminder twitter is not real life by the way yet another one But so she you're right. I think if she comes from from this saying no no. No Bernie's likability arguments wrong. My likability argument is that I can you actually unite the party and Bernie can't and either Joe Biden. That I think is useful to Tommy's point I think if if we get into this whole argument about who's mean to it's not gonna be as useful it's GonNa make some it's GonNa make for some fucking miserable tweeting but It's not going to really move the needle that that much. Yeah Look we've talked about this before. I do think you know one of the dynamics. It's been running throughout this primary. Is there. I think there are a lot of people whose hearts are are with Elizabeth Warren but whose minds have told them that. She's not electable. Mom that you see that in some of the swing state polls that have showed consistently that by performs the best against trump trump then maybe Bernie and some others in Warren still winning but but in a closer race against Donald trump gets given a lot of people. Pause what so lazy easy. She doesn't even move guard bothering you. Investigate it anyway Do you think is unique. Argument is a offensive off electability argument as opposed to a defensive argument which is what chief sort of been stuck in for very long time. What do you make of this awful? CNN story from this morning that when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met about the presidential race back in twenty eighteen sanders reportedly told her he did not believe a woman could win. The story was based on the accounts of four people. Two People Warren spoke directly with afterwards and two people quote familiar with the meeting. Sanders vehemently denies it In Warren spokesperson declined to comment altogether. Her I'll say this is a report of a report of a report of a meeting in which is literally only one thing we know for certain about the meeting meeting is at the two people at the meeting. Promise not to attack each other out of a sense of mutual admiration and common purpose. That's the one thing we know for certain. Yeah Yeah I don't know like lasted until like this weekend. I think stories like this are could be a big deal. If and only if The Warren campaign or her supporters decide to make it a big deal and accused the campaign of sexism. That would be a pretty serious charge in an escalation Asian and it's notable that Bernie's on the record saying this did not happen. Yes someone's GonNa ask Warren about this. I mean maybe we're recording. She's already answered it but Yeah Yeah I look I my advice on any story like this source to people familiar with meetings and people that heard third hand and stuff like that is just be very careful about it. Don't overreact to it until so you get more quotes from people directly involved I do find it hard to believe that if there was a meeting between Bernie and Warren and he said Ed I don't think a woman can win. That would have They would've left on good terms et and then be this friendly throat the entire prior year and a half I mean look perhaps it's something thing in between. Perhaps he talked about sexism that Hillary faced in how. How are you going to deal with the sexism like who knows what what happened there but it could also be something in between right like it's it's hard to believe that it's completely made up but it's hard to believe that it's true so it's sort of in a and I also get to that like for the people involved in these campaigns? It is the home stretch. It has been a grueling ruling year. It's also been I think a tough few weeks for the Elizabeth Warren Campaign. I think there are frustrations to see Bernie having this sort of a Good run between endorsements I mean man had a heart attack and came fucking roaring back into the lead in the polls endorsed by endorsed by sunrise movement. I think I understand that kind of frustration. that said I I do like worth remembering that. These are probably the two most progressive of members of the United States Senate. They are on the same side in virtually all of the big fights. We have a country they see each other that way and I do think there is something more psychological than Paul political in. I think the desire to not just see your candidate as being better but seeing the other candidate as unacceptable double. We've all been there and it it just. It just feels better at field you want want to raise the stakes because if you care about their emotional in the more you care about something higher you want the stakes to be Inside of that choice. And I get that but I really do hope that the supporters of both of these candidates do take a page from the way that uh-huh Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders viewed each other over the course of this very long campaign which is mostly as competitors in that WHO On the whole are On the same in the same fight. The supporters are always more radicalized in staff and the staffs always more radicalizing the candidates themselves. And we know this because I was on people on twitter saying well all. This isn't nearly as as rough as the Obama versus Clinton primary in two thousand and eight and all three of us. Were there and I can say you are correct. Although it was still pretty early candidates tend to stay relatively nice positive before Iowa because of this viability threshold. We were talking about earlier because the second choice of your candidate isn't viable have to realign in people tend to just not like the astle candidate that's been attacking everybody that's likely to go to them. So I've you this as more strategic than a moral choice but by everybody ready to be nice. It's worth noting. That Biden native similar comment. Where he talked about Clinton was the victim of unfair sexist attacks and he added? That's not going to happen with me. I think that was correctly. Viewed by many observers as suggesting that a woman couldn't win rather than an accurate observation that that Hillary Clinton dealt with Shit that Donald Trump didn't because of her gender right Last thing before we go There was news this morning. That United States senator. You're from New Jersey Cory Booker drop out of the presidential race Because has some thoughts on on the booker campaign and Booker's exit. You know like I ever saw spot For for Cory Booker because I like him personally been in part because I really like his team. We've all worked with an no some of those people. I got to know a bunch of the Iowa they are like a little engine could campaign Who worked their asses off in did it in a positive hopeful away and I think they really acquitted themselves? Well obviously everyone wants to win. But the vast majority of candidates who run for president don't win rides a really tough job so I think we'll be seeing all of them In a general election campaign also speaks to what a weird hard year this was us. You know I mean. Things are pretty static from the from the get go and I think booker was hoping that he could breakthrough in Iowa with this relentless relentlessly optimistic mystic message that he had but because of the way the debates were structured in some of the other national trends. He wasn't getting a look nationally that I think proved more important than I would this year. Sure than it hasn't past years. He wasn't going to be in the debate this week in so they are out of money that of opportunities to get earned media decide. They couldn't bake it over the finish line. Yeah it's funny when I when I this sounds again. This may be sounds dumb but when I saw that he dropped out I actually thought you know in the long run. I thought it might actually be good news for Cory Booker Because I do think in part because we were talking about of the way in which the unity has been thought of as an ideological question throughout this campaign You Know He. He has talked a lot about common common pain. Common Purpose Unity Hope Love. He is a very positive message. And I think in part because maybe that's not where people's heads that are right now Alan kind of wanting to take the combat donald trump but also I think in part because I do think some of the tension In this primaries you can talk about unity but you also need to talk about how Democrats doc rats are GonNa win and how we're going to win on all these really key fights and I guess one thing he never really did throughout this campaign is really kind of put meat on the bone in terms of what he means when he talks about talk about common pain common purpose that makes him ultimately end up at policies or proposals or a way of being a leader that is different from Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders Joe Biden. Or what have you and I guess my hope for Cory Booker would be like I. You know in the Senate without the pressure and limitations of being a future presidential candidate stopping thing you from being interesting. What does it look like to actually actually try to bring people together and that's not just about That's not just about Democrats winning it's about it's about what what are. What are the Democrats need to be doing differently? As with respect to the Republicans in Congress what are the what does it really mean to bring people together gather like I. I'm I'm interested in seeing someone. Take risks in figuring out a first thing I thought about when I saw that he dropped out. Well I also I have a Saas Barbara Cory Booker. I really liked them. I enjoyed interviewing him when he came. Here a DC. His campaign manager is is one of the best in the business. He's a fantastic staff We dropped out. I thought you know a big story of this. Primary is I think people underestimated The advantage that Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders both have because of how well recognized they are by the electorate their name ideas up in the nineties. And when you have two candidates to major candidates in a primary who were both very well known not just by the college educated voters who pay attention to the primary all the time but by the rest of the electorate Black Voters Hispanic voters non non college whites It's really hard to get attention in a crowded field and it's especially hard to get attention when you are trying to sort of be the unity candidate right and you're trying to draw from different coalitions and assemble different coalitions and I think Kamala Harris figured that out better figure that out cory booker figure that out and you see see a whole bunch of candidates that seemed very promising find that it was very difficult to attract attention in a crowded primary with two people at the top who almost everyone one knows and I think that's a that's that's a big problem that cory booker faced and some of the other candidates to agree all right when we come back we'll have love. 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Download the cash from the APP store or Google. Play store or miss you the referral code crooked still one word to receive ten dollars in cash apple ten dollars to donors shoes owners aged joining us on the pod. She's the executive director and Co founder of the Sunrise Movement and Organization of young people working to stop climate change. Burkini precaut- precaut- welcome hold on. Thanks for having me. So we're in the midst of his primary The green new deal has been embraced by Democrats in Congress by presidential candidates candidates Are you surprised at all. Just how big an impact sunrises had in just two years of existence I mean. I'm immensely proud out of it and I think it's what we set out to do from the beginning You know two years ago we were just a cohort of young people who were frustrated at our politicians inability to take action on the most pressing issues of our time and we were angry that an entire generation of politicians heads forsaken are had forsaken young people and taking our futures and so you know over the last two years we have been able to push every major presidential candidate to the League climate clans. We have pushed climate change through the deal to be at the forefront of our politics. We have engaged tens of thousands of young young people and engage them politically for the first time in their lives and giving them the tools to really manifest the reality that they want in the country And so you know if you asked me like a few years ago where I thought this was a possibility I would have said yes but I think it feels completely different from from from the vantage point that I'm at right now having accomplished at all. Aw So let's turn to the endorsement Sunrise announce their endorsement of Bernie Sanders. You know when we have a number of candidates who have embraced the green. You deal why why. Why Endorse Bernie over say Warren or some of the other candidates well we ultimately put it to a vote to our memberships and over the course of six weeks? We went through a process of educating our members on the conduct plans of candidates we went through discussion period and then ultimately supported over the three thousand members to vote in an online process And those young people voted resoundingly overwhelmingly over eighty percent of them voted to support Bernie Sanders for president of the United States. And I think ultimately the reasons why is because she has been one of the most consistent voices in support of climate action for his entire career. I think we've also seen him be a true movement and people candidates it's right there and his campaign slogan right and not be This is about building Not just relying on political saviors or individuals but actually building a movement of millions of people that can work in concert with sympathetic politicians to hack bold and transformed of legislation and I think ultimately when we when we think about about a crisis like the climate crisis which will criers such transformative social and economic change. We need a politician that understands understands the state that understand the severity and understand the need the kind of action that we need in this moment. Not just you know attacked here in there so I was looking at the the sunrise. Scorecard and you know you have you do have a Bernie Sanders in front You know just behind him is Elizabeth Warren and then far behind both yet Joe Biden But one of the key sections in the scorecard as planned to win which is basically who you view as being prepared to implement the green new deal all through Congress who the powers of the presidency to actually kind of get to get it done and on that score Warren and Sanders were tied. Ed which took to me which to me seemed like a statement that said You Know Sunrise looks at Warren and it looks at Bernie and whatever their differences on the campaign trail we see them as equally capable all of implementing the green new deal Do you agree with that. Totally I mean I think Elizabeth Warren has proven herself to be a formidable candidate. She has put for tons of really creative thoughtful policy on the campaign trail. She has has been extremely clear-sighted about who's responsible for putting us in the prices that we are in and I think she would be a tremendous president if elected as well I think the reason why Bernie Sanders ended up resonating with young voters. Who are part of sunrise is precisely because Bernie Sanders is? It wasn't just an endorsement of Bernie Sanders candidate. It was endorsement of Bernie Sanders and the movement that he is building the ultimately the political revolution that he is Thai spring about about so I want there. Is this piece by Mr Marras in the Times it was called how to stop freaking out and tackle climate change and I wanted to and I wanted of it. It was it was really interesting Because I think it was trying to address the feeling of ex-central dread the hopelessness that people may feel will in talking about this issue and I was just wondering What sunrise does to combat the feeling that this problem is so big big that it's so urgent We're facing administration. That is not just not doing enough but actively rolling back what what environmental Armenta protections we do have so. How do you combat that sense of hopelessness? Yup I think this is a tremendously important question. We are seeing depression. Russian rates rates amongst people skyrocket. It's rampant in the communities that I I work and engage with on the day to day and I think fundamentally what we WANNA do is speak to. The fear could speak to the anger. That young people are feeling in this moment and to be able to pair hear that with a sense of hope and optimism that when we actually come together we can achieve things that we thought were impossible in the past And so for us at sunrise a way that we try to do that is by giving people clear direct ways that they can actually participate in the movement and so for example. Any person anywhere across the country can start a sunrise chapter or a local hub and they're over three hundred and fifteen eighteen of these chapters across the country in almost every single state. And when you're a part of a local hub you receive training you receive coaching. You receive a community in which to act and you can take a lot of You can work together in that. Community to achieve at one of the goals of the movement are at at the time so whether that's pressuring Congress people to support a green new deal whether it is organizing a local climate strike in your community. Whatever it might be We're we're Kinda. Give people the tools so that they don't have to wait take action. They don't have to wait commission to take action. They have the solutions at their fingertips and so over the next year. Actually we are attempting to not just engage electorally and worked defeat trump and register tens of thousands of US voters odors. But we're also working to engage big time and building out our base of young people to be millions and millions of people straub. And we're hoping by this time. Next year we will have the capacity to get ten million people out in the street we will. We WanNA train fifty thousand new activists by the end of two thousand twenty alone and we wanNA double or triple the number of chapters that we have and the number of people who feel emboldened pig action in this moment and is the goal to help those those people deploy in the two thousand twenty election itself absolutely. I think it's both during the election and beyond so we're going to be actively involved in the twenty twenty elections but we don't see November third of twenty twenty as a deadline or a Finnish light. We see that as just the beginning to us. We need to be building the kind of grassroots power power that can actually build external pressure when we have a synthetic president in office so over the next nine months before the election we will be working to register tens of thousands of folders and run them out or renewed you'll champions at the congressional level and at the presidential antle level and at the same time we will be simultaneously training those leaders not just in electoral organizing but how to do the moral protests that is really catapulted sunrise. Greenie deal into the national discourse. I'm working to be training young people and how to do like graphic organizing skills on the ground around so they can grow their bases and their communities of of power where they live And so we don't want We understand that this is gonna be you know the climate crisis. This is a huge project to tackle. It's GonNa take a decade or war of really inventive active policy-making to even make it and we know that the that this election is critical to arc survival and it isn't the point. We got to continue to pick mushrooms kitchen forty on November twenty twenty. So let's talk about twenty twenty last week. The trump administration announced plans to basically gut the national environmental policy. Act that would mean no no longer even requiring climate change. We take into account. When looking at projects like power plants and new pipelines? And that's that's the latest in a series of actions big and small that the administration has taken on behalf of fossil fuel companies other interests. You know there are big differences amongst Democrats even in this primary But those distinctions pale in comparison into the stark choice in November regardless of who the nominee will be. You know we're about to enter the most heated part of the primary. Are you worried it all about the left coming together to defeat. Trump wants the primaries done given that most people who vote in this primary just because of how many candidates are are likely not to be voting for the nominee is going to be look ultimately we have to oust trump from office. There is not going crazy and he is is pushing closer than ever to war he Obviously ill fit for for the position that fools and we have to kick him out and we have chosen it was in. I can speak for sunrise. I can't speak for the entire left but I think you know. As part of summarize movement we have elected Bernie Sanders as our president resident choice but I think fundamentally even if Bernie Sanders does not win the nomination in the primary we will go to bat and we will fight extremely extremely hard for whoever the Democratic nominee is because it is a Athens that we elect somebody who prioritizes the climate crisis into the Oval Office. This come November. You know. Obviously you know. We know that I think young people are more behind Bernie Sanders now than they are. Joe Biden right like we all know that we all know that that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren and some of the other candidates have attracted even more enthusiastic support than someone like Joe Biden. But you ever sometimes i. I wonder if Joe Joe Biden becomes the nominee of the Democratic Party. All of a sudden it will be incumbent on podcasts. Like the the ones we make over here organizations like sunrise. It'll be about trying to get a bunch of people to come out and vote for Joe Biden even know. It wasn't their first choice. Even though they might not think he's far left enough because honestly on a lot autumn issues. He isn't Do you do think about that at all about like man. If this party picks Joe Biden I'm going to have to work my ass off to get people to get behind behind him and it'd be much easier if it was somebody like Bernie but you know what if it is Biden. Like I'm gonNA fucking do it. I'M GONNA just get out there and get people to the polls no matter what. Even if I'm pissed yeah I mean that's that's exactly what we intend to do and I know we're going to do it because we've done it before There was an election in Michigan again where we endorse a global head and Gretchen. WHITMER ended up winning the primary and so we turned all of our forces in Michigan towards campaigning. And electing electing her So you know I think we are trying to keep our eyes on the prize and it's part of the reason why one of our principals is no permanent friends. No permanent enemies enemies right now. Joe Biden is My probably one of my last races in terms of major candidates for the the Democratic primary but you know him biden versus trump. It's a no brainer that we have to elect show by the office So you know I'm right there with you. I think we as leaders of social movements and progressive how to Have to be making the case also to people for why that's that's so important One last question. What can people do to kind of Support Sunrise to get involved? Oh my God join the movement We're at Sunrise Movement DOT ORG and you can find us on all social platforms at sunrise. MVM P encourage you to get involved at the very least if it's just getting on our email list to keep up today's that's fantastic fantastic But also we're getting into gear for the rest of this year and would heavily encourage people to sign up to host the Launch Launch Party for two thousand twenty strategy or sign up To knock doors with us we have a lot going right now. VERSII precaut- thanks for joining. Thank you all right. Thanks diversity precaut- for joining us today and we will talk to you. We'll see Tuesday night during the debate in our group threat and we will have our pod Wednesday morning by guys bye. Bye Pods of America's Erica's a product of crooked media the senior producers Michael Martinez. Our assistant producer is Jordan Waller. It's mixed and edited by Andrew. Chadwick Kyle settling are sound engineer. 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1-4-19 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

05:59 min | 2 years ago

1-4-19 What's News

"It's time for new coal Sandler's. What's news from the coal, Sandler dot com. And the progressive voices network. Nancy Pelosi is a woman of faith a loving wife. A mother of five a grandmother of nine a sophisticated strategies a legendary legislator of voice for the voice. Louis defender of the disenfranchise a powerful profound prophetic principal public servant. And that's why we stand squarely behind her today. Let me be clear House Democrats are down with NDP Nancy Pelosi, the once and future speaker of the United States how the representatives are found her name in nomination. Got left her. God bless the United States of America democratic caucus chair king Jeffries on Thursday, officially nominated Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the house after the vote which saw Pelosi getting two hundred twenty votes. She retook the gavel ANSI Pelosi of the state of California having received a majority of the votes cast elected speaker of the house of representatives. One hundred men they got down to business. The first order was the democratic rules package containing that. Controversial pay go provision. The rules were approved by largely party line vote of two thirty four to one ninety seven three Republicans representatives, Tom Reid, and John CAPCO of New York and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania voted for the package. Three Democrats, congressman Rokon a- of California, Alexandria, Cossio Cortez of New York and tolsey Gabbard of Hawaii voted against it. But they weren't done with their first day of the one hundred sixteen congress just yet late Thursday. This happened just in the last few moments the votes have officially closed. So now, we can say that as the first two official acts of business in the new democratic led house of representatives. The house has passed two bills to reopen the federal government without funding for a wall on the southern border. Morality. It's not who we are a nation. And this is not a wall between Mexico and the United States that the president is creating here. It's a wall between reality and his constituents his supporters. He does not want them to know what he's doing to Medicare, Medicaid and social security in his budget proposal. He just not want them to know what he's doing to clean air and clean water in the rest in his department of anterior end of EPA, he just not want them to know how he is hurting them. So keeps the subject on the wall. He's a master of diversion. We're trying to open up government with giving him a tour path to do. So although Mitch McConnell has said he won't bring these bills to the Senate floor in his caucus are starting to break ranks Cory Gardner of Colorado who's up for reelection in twenty twenty became the first Republican Senator to call for an end to the shutdown. Even if Trump doesn't get wall funding then. Susan Collins also up in twenty twenty joined in and some comments made by Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia suggests that she might be on board to congressional leaders are expected back at the White House Friday morning for another round of talks that aren't expected to produce results. The White House hasn't held many press briefings lately but on Thursday afternoon at four zero seven PM eastern time. Sarah Sanders tweeted that there would be a White House press briefing at four ten. Yes. Three minutes later, finally at four thirty Sanders stepped up to the podium and introduced Donald Trump who was making his very first appearance in the briefing room instead of taking questions Trump rambled incoherently about the need for a wall flanked by three bald men who are members of the national border patrol council union, and then they left without taking even one question. This was not a press briefing, but a stunt obviously to satisfy Trump's ego, which must have been hurt as the attention was on Pelosi in the Democrats taking. For control of the house. Trump did hold a rambling press conference of sorts on Wednesday following another surreal cabinet meeting on Friday morning. The Wall Street Journal editorial board hammered the president for completely botching the history of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Russia used to be the Soviet Union Afghanistan made it rushing because they went bankrupt fighting enough guesting Russia, but Russia should be the reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists we're going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt. They went into in called Russia again as opposed to the Soviet Union. A lot of a lot of these places you're reading about now are no longer part of Russia because of ghanistan of that statement, the Wall Street Journal wrote, quote, we cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American president. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December nineteen Seventy-nine to prop up a fellow communist government. The invasion was condemned throughout the noncommunist world, the Soviets justified the invasion as an extension of the Brezhnev doctrine asserting their right to prevent countries from leaving the communists, fear. This mockery is a slant or against every ally that has supported the US effort in Afghanistan with troops who fought and often dive. And that's a bit of what's news for now on coal Sandler. If you appreciate these reports in the coal Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help. 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January 3, 2019

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

04:52 min | 2 years ago

January 3, 2019

"Good Thursday morning. I'm Jake Sherman and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing. Stay tuned after the show for a message from the American Petroleum Institute. And Anna Palmer Nancy Pelosi will become the sixty third speaker of the house today each rampant returned to the third ranking position in American government after eight years in the political wilderness. Pelosi returns to the speakership in a uniquely powerful position. Especially when considering that many Democrats just waged a campaign that included sharp criticisms of her seventy eight year old California Democrat just vanquished a group of her challengers surprising precision and speed most house watchers expected the today she'd be in the middle of a brawl for the speakership on the house floor instead she's waltzing toward grabbing the gavel with little effort, and she is now going toe to toe with President Trump in the middle of a government shutdown which is now entered its thirteen th day. Pelosi is the first member of congress to return to the speakership since Sam Rayburn did in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty five she'll have challenges. She's a fiery left wing, which is already beginning to tug at her shirt sleeve at least two backbench, Democrats, Rokon of California and Alexandria, Cossio Cortez of New York are threatening to vote against the rules package. A party line measure that lays out how the chamber will be governed. They do not like the pay go rules which mandate the government must pay for spending. Although these rules are sometimes waived wait until fights over Okaz Cortez's green new deal Medicare for all in governing with Trump I out for Democrats Representative John Sarbanes of Maryland chair of the party's democracy reform task force is expected to file House Democrats first major legislative item HR one which they've named the for the people act immediately after being sworn in the goals include improving voters access to the ballot box, reducing the of money and strengthening ethics rules for public. Servants. Democrats will unveil the package at an eleven AM Friday press conference in the Rayburn room in the capitol. Pelosi will be on. The today show at seven of five AM, savannah Guthrie taped interview with her. Here's how the day will play out the house will begin vote for speaker toward the end of the new our it's quite a spectacle, each member recites the name of the person here, she is voting for from the house floor voting should wrap up just before two pm. House minority leader Kevin McCarthy will give his speech presenting Pelosi as speaker around too then Pelosi will address the house Don Young team of the house will swear her in. Here's the new world order that has some nervous for years. Congress in case you'd have worked in concert candidates, run for office lobby in cases, contribute to their campaigns individual or corporate pack checks, and when they are sworn in they work often together as lobbyist bring clients into their office members try to legislate, but downton owners are increasingly nervous about how the incoming class of House Democrats will deal with lobbyists. Several have sworn off taking their money and others are making their name as members of the resistance going against the grain of how things have been traditionally done in Washington, the fear. New members or their staff will tape conversations and release them to the press, even seemingly innocuous meetings of companies just looking to chat with aids parallel reality alert, Eric Lipton of the New York Times tweeted as Thursday. The defense department will be run by a former senior Boeing executive EPA is run by a former coal lobbyist aged Jess's run by a former pharmaceutical lobbyists and interior will be run by a former oil industry lobbyist. Welcome to twenty nine thousand nine a slew of Pelosi takeover stories. The New York Times calls a California Democrat, an icon of female power. The Washington Post has a look at Pelosi filling the role of Trump sparring partner. There's a lot of fallout on mitt Romney's op Ed piece in the post yesterday. John Harris has looking political magazine on why guys like Mitt Romney, don't scare President Trump on the twenty twenty front. 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The Hand of Fear

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The Hand of Fear

"Everywhere hello again everyone. Welcome back to you next. Stop everywhere the doctor who podcast on one of your co host. Charles skaggs back in the hardest once again. I know it's been a couple of weeks but we're back ready to talk some more classic doctor who with someone who hasn't been here on next up everywhere for a little while but he's back and ready to talk a classic. Tom baker story so everyone please. Welcome back to the podcast. One of our favorite people here are next up everywhere. Certainly one of our favorite letter writers dave proctor. How you doing dave. And i'm glad to be back. I was just looking at my skype history. It's been since like may believe so. It's been a little while. How have you enjoying the summer working. Hard getting out there again. They're done i. Yeah it's been a good summer good to be out and about saw my first musical concert with people. It was pretty good. Wow which you go see. It was the local event. It came up and it was some country ban. And a i guess. The main liner was low cash. Okay before is not my genre but you know what they were people in. It was social. You have some adult beverages. I did not. It was my night to drive. Oh i wrote a responsible. You're the designated driver. Indeed all right. That's right in their bikes. But no it was not my night to do that but There was lots of being consumed there. Well you know someone who just finally got to see his first movie for the past year and a half. When nick. And i talked black widow so i kind of know how it feels to kind of get back into a semi state of reality at least before the cova rates. Start going back up. They've been doing and probably shutting everything down again. Hopefully that delta yeah. That was my bag to which. I enjoy listening. You guys review on happiness and dark there so yes well thank you very much and we'll talk more about happiness in darkness a little later because apparently somebody is going to be joining nick. So we'll talk about that but for right now we gotta talk some doctor who you haven't talked doctor who and a couple of weeks so i'm eager to talk about it. So hearing episode two thirty eight. We're going to be discussing the hand of fear and this is a fun. One and this isn't a notable one because this features the departure of elizabeth's laden as sarah jane smith in the classic era. So this is a her last regular appearance. She of course returned for the five doctors in the twentieth season of doctor who and then as modern era fans no she returned in school reunion and stolen earth journey's end in the modern era. So this is not the last. We see if sarah thankfully in addition of course to the sarah jane adventures which she headlined and was a wonderful show until obviously she fell ill and in later passed. But this is our initial goodbye to sarah. Jane and so i thought it was worth talking about and i'm glad you're here to talk about with me. And so before we get into all the all the background. Everything what is your. What's your general take from this story. Did you enjoy it. You know it was pretty good. I don't think it was one of those real deep stories it makes you sit back can Real contemplate life but it was it was it was entertaining. It had some reaction here and there and you know from the classic era. I'd have to put sarah jane on one of the top so seeing her go was was a little sad and it wasn't it didn't seem like a super contrived reason to see her go so that in that way was kind of a positive. You know a lot of times. It just seems weird. How they're just leave him. You mean like especially in the modern era where they just kind of. You know you have to be stuck in a parallel dimension or just walkaway emotionally or something that kind of thing. I thought i thought the worst one ever was william hartnell when he led susan go I mean he gets a chance to a great speech that you hear clap at. Hey warn-torn ravaged planet has been all the life sucked out of it. You're staying. you're not gonna get hurt in address staying and leaves. A mike is only family in the universe but This one this one was alright. It made sense and the doctor made an effort to get her home so to speak. Yeah i mean that's blew it. That's a big deal. He of course he did during the state you need to go right. And i'm glad they remembered that when she comes back. Yeah exactly so in in obviously you know as we know for the modern era. Sarah had some feelings that were you know. Need to be resolved over the way she left in so so tickets. This was the first time i'm guessing you watch the story. No i'm slowly trotting through with other shows gang and i'm just a few stories past that one so it. This year was the first time. I'd seen okay and i watch said the second and third time in prep for this. Okay so so then your reaction to the first time you saw it What did you think having presumably watched school reunion before right. So so what did you. What did you make of seeing. How sarah jane left the first time you watched it. Well if i was. I didn't expect it So it caught me off guard. It doesn't it's not an episode where they make a big deal leading into it or ing it. Just there is at the end so it surprised me and she'd been on there what i felt like. It was a long time. Because when i wash it as a kid. I started out with some tom. Baker's in then it would go back to perky right through that with just a few Peter davison after little loop there under so many bakers that obviously that manipulates it but she just seemed like a fixture of the show to me. Yeah so i think a lot of a lot of people consider her to be the definitive classic. Eric companion maybe overall the definitive doctor who companion for a lot of people and say she's my absolute favorite. Because i hate to slide somebody else. Because i'm always trying to figure that out but when i think tom baker's my doctor right when i turn one on. Oh hey it's tom. Baker await is one of the ones would leila or slight heard. All i think i mean there was some interesting choices with that character but as i oh. I like sarah jane so so so. It's safe to say at least that surgeon is your favorite. Tom baker companion. Well she she's head and shoulders above edrich in those. Let's go without saying yes. Yeah but Address definitely not by a long shot. Leila's okay and i think they do better with her in like some of the novels but yet by far she's the best. Okay that's fair not big. I'm not really keen on the sailor. Dude harry sullivan harry sullivan ronan and then disappears. For no reason. Didn't they mentioned him a few times and then he died while the the actor died. Yeah yikes but i never really never get really on. But i think that's a twenty twenty one perspective looking back on a nineteen seventies character in albums in it kind of made it like her. Yes some some companions. I think aged better than others love this show the time. Yeah exactly dr. Who makes fun of it so later. And i'm sure you know as much as you know younger doctor who fans would hate. Think of eventually time. We'll go on and someone thirty years down the road. We'll make fun of their stuff just as much. Yes and and then they'll be old and crusty like us and then they'll be going they'll be the ones trying to defend their eras to the future fans. So let's circle. I'm dr who you remember. You guys just did the eaters of light. Yeah that show right there when when drawn a blank companion. Oh bill or an arnold bill yes she she when the The romans and she's discussing how she she only likes girls. That's that sort of modern view of. She was seen as the one stuck in the mud because she only liked girls. You'll have the time you know but that was a nice little twist thought during that episode. Slowly what some people saying. No yeah how hit you know here. Bill here's building issues. She's all progressive and turns out. No the romans were into a little bit more than what she's into so she kind of feels like you said it's stick in the mud by comparison do so this story hinder fear written by bob baker and dave martin. Who are the craters. Canine because they wrote the story that introduced him the invisible enemy. The also route notable stories in class gary including the clause of access the three doctors the armageddon factor from the which was the conclusion of the key to time storyline. So when and a bunch of others. So they're very notable and as written some great stories directed by lennie mayne. The story was the second serial from season. Fourteen in nineteen seventy six. So we're looking year before the original star wars debuted keep that in perspective featuring of course tom baker's the fourth doctor and like i said elizabeth laden in her last regular appearance. As sarah jane smith in hit guest cast we have judith perez. Who played female elder ad in a rather stylish crystalline costume. So she's notable because she's been recently on episodes the crown on netflix and she was in the two thousand four film adaptation of the phantom of the opera based on a musical by android weber. So thought that was interesting. Stephen thorne plays the male eldora casteran elder ad and he's notable because he's has the great booming voice that makes great for a great over the top villain. He played a role in jon. Pertwee's story that damon's which we've talked about yasser played omega in the three doctors. So if you you remember how omega used to kind of talk in this big booming voice this big disembodied entity. We'll have stephen thorne as well. Which is probably why he they picked him up for this and he also played the i o grahn in another per jon pertwee story frontier in space. Roy skeleton did the voice of played king rokon and he's notable because he was one of the Not the very first but you know one of the early voices of the daleks cyberman on dr hill and did that for quite a while in the original series you. So did the character. Play the character of james carver on a big finish. Sarah jane smith audio adventure called test of nerve rex. Robinson plays dr carter and if he looks familiar well we just talked about him in the three doctors because he played dr tyler in that one. So he's either. Dr carter or dr tyler. Or he also played a character named gues- back in the monster. Peleton which was the ultimate jumper twee aristotle and he was also subway engineer in superman for the quest for peace. Believe it or not that your favorite the best one of the four data that is my third of the christopher reeve movies. My third favorite's right superman three. Of course being might least favorite. Yeah that's a hard one and for more on. Superman listened to drunk cinema this week because hopefully xanana. I'll be talking the first superman movie. Free plucked out one right away. You know treating one movie. No no we're gonna we're gonna break them up like the theatricals you know. It's going to be a lot shorter that way. Of course because you'd be ours discussing and don't think a we couldn't do that. We can then and i could totally do an eight hour discussion as long as she doesn't pass out you know if she's drinking so green houston played professor watson in this. He's the guy who phoned up his wife and kids and then try to stay behind and help save the day. Help save the nuclear power plant. That guy he returned. And peter davison story the awakening as a colonel ben wolseley and lastly i have forecast francis pigeon who is the wife of the director lennie mayne gender wonder how she got cast in this story. Nepotism is Is always works so she actually wasn't a previous jon. Pertwee era story. She played queens. Lyra's handmaiden in the monster pelivan so we had to veterans from the monster pellet on in the story now trivia. this is got some interesting trivia. This time i think when elizabeth late announced her intention to leave the show. Sarah was originally supposed to be killed off in a pseudo historical story called the lost legion involving aliens and the french foreign legion but that was obviously never filmed the because the guy. Douglas canfield who was supposed to write the script was unavailable much to elizabeth's lanes relief. Because she didn't want to be killed off or married off like a lot of characters tend to do and soap operas or a doctor. Who sometimes so she wanted to leave and not make a big fuss about it. That's what she got. Slade was also as she also asked that sarah's departure not be the main focus of the story because she felt the program was about the doctor not the companion right so that's very selfless as an actor. You don't see much of that. These days baker and martin apparently intentionally did not write sarah's departure scene instead they left the script for that scene be rewritten by elizabeth's lead and tom baker based off of ideas from robert holmes the script editors original version. So it's nice that the tom baker mislaid them. Kinda got to do it the way they want it to. I guess i read one other piece to that. That a very short time considered a story with the The brigadier yeah. I was just about to get into that there. You go now if you want to tell the story go right ahead. I don't want to step up wasn't available so they didn't go that route. I didn't have any ells on it. Okay well i've got the details so you would. I thought that was interesting. See i tried to cover your back here. So so yeah. Script originally was supposed to feature that brigadier like you said who had apparently been moved from unit to what was called the extraterrestrial zena logical intelligence task force which acronym that it's e x. I t exit get it to study. Ufo activities and the brig was supposed to be killed off when he steered his spaceship into an omega kamikazes ship to prevent that ship from crashing into earth. So they almost killed off the brig which would have been horrible because he was so good in the five doctors in battlefield. Yes so we almost didn't get him in those stories and but thankfully they didn't film that. Because nicholas courtney was also not available. I always felt it was a shame. He didn't show up more during the tom baker years. Yeah well i think they wanted to kind of get away from the earthbound adventures. So you know now they because with with the doctor getting is you know. The exile was over from the jumper twee era that they decided to go off into space and they felt that i think that the brigadier was an earthbound character. It was associated with jon. Pertwee era along with the other actors. Like benton or sergeant know captain. Yates so i think they just try to move away from the era to give it more of a fresh start. I think i would have appreciated it as continuity. Maybe not well he wasn't. He was there in the early. Tom baker story through the robot yet. The invasion yeah so a. I don't have a problem. I understand trying to get away from that. But i think he gave it plenty nudity. It was also a reason why whenever they came back to earth it was modern time but a little further down the road because they couldn't keep crossing that time line. You know what i'm saying. It was stretch cadillac. Like when you haven't seen them at all and all of a sudden they bring the dogs back like. Hey that's familiar. Jodie whittaker the her first season i felt like man ams seen any it. None of this fills familiar. It's i mean. I loved it. Don't think actor. But i felt a little lost new show runner and all of that a little continuity here and there would have been great plus if you watched it as a kid growing up that whole time with the pertwee units there. Yes probably miss them. If that was your show well now. You've just changed so much that those guys are out. So i think i think they should used the more and i really hate that. They didn't get him back in time before he passed away for Modern who yeah. Well you know they did bring unit back thankfully in modern who with The brigadiers daughter kate stewart for a time so that was good and we also had torchwood which is essentially like a modern version of unit. Little wait a little bit. So saluting cyber man yes. Yeah the the sort of posthumous appearance by nicholas courtney. Yeah as cyberman. Okay well moffitt you know all right. So that original script also featured harry sullivan and miss jackson was supposed to be a guy. Just generic guy didn't even have a character name but then director lennie main built up. The part changed the gender and surprise like i said cast his wife in the role. So i'm sure. His wife was appreciative of that. Needless to say probably scores some husband points. I guess l. dress home was originally identified as the black hole omega four point six but when script editor robert holmes pointed out to baker martin that the name omega had already appeared in the three doctors and which oh by the way was also written by bob baker and dave martin so they decided okay. Guess we'll change the name to castro instead of omega. So apparently they really liked the name. Omega kidding revisit. The air in the final scene. If you're wondering what sarah's whistling she whistles the tune daddy wouldn't buy me abou- which i'm not familiar with but But because apparently elizabeth slate was not able to whistle the director. Lennie mayne provide. The whistling was elizabeth. Slayton mind to it sure. She pretended to whistle. That's well you gotta do it together. Do right as whistler wonder what that pays well but the director of maybe. He probably didn't anything extra for that. I'm guessing every future job interview at has quite a few questions. Fear stunt whistler. Yes yes. I whistled in the final seat. Elizabeth laden spinal scene. Doctor who so. How's that for an enacting credit on the on your resume. All right so we're going to do. Three topics today. Should be pretty simple this story so he probably will breeze right through it topping number one. Let's talk l. Draft must live in this topic. I wanna talk the fourth doctrine sarah jane. Obviously we need to talk about this. These two right off the bat. Because this the surgeon's final story and her big farewell scene with the doctor and she gets a lot to deal with displayed. In this episode she gets possessed by l. grad. You know she gets recovers and then she gets her farewell scene so Then elizabeth leighton gets to do a lot of comedic stuff along the way and just her reactions to certain things going on in particular the scene where she's either pouting or sulking looking at you know rolling her eyes Just i just. I love watching her. I think she's such as this kind of just brightness. They fill the screen when she's on. I was thinking that exact. Same thing. Because i actually looked her up to see. How old was she. 'cause she's so figures undergrad. What twenty s at the time was thirty she choose born in nineteen forty six film at seventy six. Yeah so that'd be thirty or close to it. Her birthday i think is in february so depending on when they filmed it. Yeah as air grinding these out because they made fifty a year. They did a lot back on. Yeah yes so but you know what when you go back watch Pertwee with her. She was order so she's clearly well established. She's she's like a professional. And i think she gets into that companion role in just obviously a doctors the the boss in that situation and i don't mean that that's probably not the the more parent i know what's going on here. So she was him and she she she just goes headlong into her ventures But yeah she. I think she learns to relax in her role is he's he's got my back and she seems way more bubbly happy towards the end there. Yeah is he did in the beginning. She was amazed she was worked up stressed out most of the time in the early ones. Yeah when she was with jon. Pertwee's doctor you're right. You know she was. She was the hard reporter essentially the lowest lane of doctor. Who was the way i look at her. And then when. Tom bakr go ahead. I'm sorry louis. Lame before she knew superman had her back. Right right exactly. Yeah so a little bit more skeptical cynical. Perhaps i know that she was know to try to be a strong feminist character. Back in the seventies with what they used to call women's lib back. Then i was. That was a euphemism. They like to call. They used to throw around back in the seventies. So that's what they tried to introduce in the and then you know when tom baker come along came along sarah you know she was still reporter. She still did reporter things but but she was much more relaxed and it was. She was having more fun. She wasn't so as serious as she initially. Though as you're talking about and as a result you know what it allowed that. That just that exuberance that that just that just that that light that somehow within elizabeth slated just to come out on screen and for me. You know watching this always. I just found her so likeable. And she's she was the one you could really relate to because she was enough of a of a cynic and skeptical that she didn't buy into everything. Excuse me that the doctor was selling and always be so consequently she she would needle him from time to time and he or she felt comfortable enough doing that after a while and And she she can hold her own. She wasn't always needing somebody to rescue her. She was pretty resourceful and a lot of ways they purgatory and most of his companions were over in comparison baker. Yeah his well in her league. Whole different book is a whole different book. Yeah but ramona's essentially a female doctor. So and i love her youth but wide open. What would what would you be like if you get to ride on the tar. I'd be like she is wide open. Just let's eat this up. This is a lifetime you know after she after she. I guess after she just bought into the whole thing that i'm going to survive this because Actors got me out of every scrape so far. Yeah yeah she's bubbly and happy and You know she cares that over when she's in her sixties or whatever. She's still got that they play off as being her character Having residuals but. I think it's i think it's the actress. I think just seems like that. Yeah i think so. I mean i never got. I never got the chance to meet her. But i would have really enjoyed had if i had had that opportunity. I think she would been amazing to talk to. I didn't know she passed away until much later in it. Hit me hard. Yeah because out of all of them. I feel like i. I don't know how to say this right if you connected with her. Yeah wow you saw her young you our old. I was young when i watched her young. I'm hold watching her on. You grew up with her and she was still doing it. You know what i mean. So that that that's also reassuring to she wasn't just retired or sitting around so yeah. I'll still look great years all these years later. So she so she She always just had that incredible smile. So so i was. I had this one. You know it does get a little sad. But i think it's kind of offset when we see her leave because obviously we know as modern fans that she comes back and we know that she's another stories so this isn't the last week of her. Even the doctor says at one point you know during their farewell scene. Like i'll see you again now. Sarah has no idea if he's just talking out of his mouth sideways but but it turns out. He was right here again several teams. Yeah and Oh that's right. it was more than one. Yes she she returns for the five doctors. She returned and in the modern era journeys n. And the stolen earth so in school reunion. So she she came back three times to doctor who well then on her show. Matt smith visits cer- tooth. Yeah yeah and also david tennant there you go. Yeah so she had to dodgers on her show. Yeah unfortunately we didn't. We didn't get any more doctors but sadly you know at least got a couple of doctors and it was. I thought she had a really nice little relation. Or you know as fun. As was watcher with david tennant. I really enjoyed watching with matt smith as well. Well you remember the comment. She makes in this episode when she is with the main guy. They're the bad guy. L l l gerrad yeah yeah. She's with eldad in he regenerates She makes comment man. I liked her. But i don't. I don't like him. Yeah well. I think about that with the doctors. I'd see think she got along with eccleston. Or maybe not they've never met l. colston's got with him and i don't always see what you're saying because his abrasiveness sometimes yeah she was that part of it. She liked the fun and peter capacity. I don't know if it'd got along. Colin dot com baker. She would have liked either. His schick cited there. She might straighten him out. She would stood for the choking bid that no no. She would've been like that's it. She opened the door and let him out. Yeah yeah pretty much she would have. She would have gone in there. Got carry out of there and brought her to a more healthier environment probably rescued her. The tartus and you know what else about her to. There's a lot of companions that i don't know i guess it's just the the role of the unfortunate notice of how they use the background characters and obviously the doctors in the front. And that's what i mean by background. Yeah the support characters. This kind of niche role. They have to play. They have to be us. And sometimes the actors aren't quite up to making net continued to be interesting the whole time. They're on there. Some of them are just a certain way and they stay that certain way and they don't grow and expand like she did Even even in modern hose. Some of them don't grow. Martha i have a lot of respect for she grow and she grew out of it. Yes so she's one of the few that has a real arc that you can. You can measure in see but obviously if you can if you give somebody thirty years to to do a character. They're going to have to figure out a way to do that. Could be interesting. Hopefully they will see some of those modern era opinions. Maybe returned to the future. And who knows maybe. Some of them will get their own surging spin off as an older character. They need to get on. Like amy amy pond. Perhaps that'd be great. I'd love to see susan comeback before before. That actor passes away actress. Yeah i know. Peter capacity wanted to Have susan appear on the show. He had a picture ever on his desk as poses a gap. That's the closest got. Unfortunately all right. So when. We're talking about sarah. What did you make. You know. Like the her scenes while she was under allographs. Hypnosis it i you're you're late my goodness how do you do brain dead. Zombie again You see that in so many things but she did really well thought she she gets blow playful weather one time because his little weird looking her i have. Oh my gosh. She's she's she's like almost like arranged kind of look a little bit and you got to imagine that that day on the set. They probably took made that ten takes of that. They've been doing it for he can. And the fact that she still having fun whether it is great. And how else would you keep doing it but Yeah i liked it. And i told her not remembering it later and her explanation. How i saw aunt someone reached out for me. Yes perfectly possible h. He comes off as as believable. You don't always get that some people are like in. She seemed like a different person. Yeah yeah that was just going to bring that up because you know and i think it was a credit even at a younger age her range because she was able to portray this possessed person then. When you see you can see the difference between that possessed character. And then when she's snaps back to normal and you can see you could see the difference between elizabeth's lanes performances between the two. You know it was. It was very distinctive. And so it would like you said it felt more credible when she does return because it didn't you know you you know what sara supposed to be like and use obvious when she was under control. Yeah and you know what the whole who else could pull that off today. I don't think i don't know the l. drag could have possessed the doctor nobody else so l. Dread we also have to remember modeled. Herself after sarah supposedly. Because does the first human she saw right. Yeah Impactful and convincing women. She came out of being under the mind control. The director of the nuclear power plant didn't have all that hard time believing it. Yeah so that showed rain into a little bit and i. It didn't take a whole lot of convincing a few minutes later when he sees a disembodied hand growing up. It's like okay. Well maybe if. I see this handy ads okay. I guess i can buy your story that you're possessed. Yes exactly but i mean like anybody else. He starts out with diminished responsibility. You you broke into a nuclear power. We'd still at lock you up. Yeah but then he's okay. I'm starting to buy it so that sounds switch over to tom. Baker a little bit so the fourth doctor his relationship with sarah. Obviously this is what draws to a close but there's movement early on in the in the story where you know they just arrived on earth and it just so happens. They arrived in a quarry which i thought was hilarious. Because it makes fun of the fact that the always filming corey's right so they actually finally laid it in actual corey intentionally great. Yeah so so. That was a very clever way to acknowledge that they're filming it yet. Another quarry indeed and this one was active for the first time. I didn't have. They didn't have to hide out the big trucks and bulldozers no in the fact that it becomes very quickly dangerous because the alarm start going off and you find out oh they're blasting today as and as a result you know that it causes a chunk of the the rock face to come down on them and sarah gets buried and i thought was a pretty good team. We're tom. baker is frantic to recover. Sarah indeed well. He shows great deal of affection for her not just and responsible for you but affection that whole trade wanna step on it if it's your quote but that's all right. Go ahead that exchange later on in the shell where he's going back into the nuclear power plant. Yeah she runs after him. Yeah i worry about you. While i worry about you to that whole deal. Yeah i thought. I thought that was a great scene. That was his whole character. Plays light about relationships. that's him showing vulnerability. I care about you. And we didn't see that with his doctor. We we. He did wasn't very emotional. His doctor about things dig. It was pretty clear that ramana. He had an affection for her because she had an affection for him. Let alone the two actors married but right while the paternal sorta i'm looking out for you and training you the right way to do it. And she had this o-man. I never knew being a time. Lord could be like this but but even that wasn't openly emotional. Iq was with sarah. Jane i mean he kind of had that with leila to where you know. He was trying to educate her in a very my fair lady kinda way about the numbers. And don't be and all that don't you think. The doctor has a deeper relationship with the companions when they write it correctly anyway. Yes with the companions who see him regenerate generally because it it creates kind of bond. Because there's only been certain very few campaigns. That had actually watched the doctor regenerate the two on the planet x or what it is with the hartnell plant tenth planet. Yeah because of the lost tapes and stuff. I don't personally know how all of that turned out They took the characters away in raised their minds after Number ten patrick patrick. And then he with perch way it's her and bigger in the brigadier area and amy. Niamey rose yearly that really scientists. Her ship would nine and ten so l think. I think it mattered. A little bit to the doctor in the movie wasn't quite the same but she she she. She thought she lost a patient. Right grace in sudden. Here's the patient but is it but yeah you know what i'm saying. I think it means a lot when they see that because it instantly goes while is not just another guy that knows a lot. This is truly alien. Yeah well. I mean like when clara watched the eleventh doctor generations into the twelfth that she had a hard time processing that kind of like rose initially had a hard time processing the tenth doctor so so did her family at that was jackie. Yeah so there. Final scene Where the sarah's trying to talk to the doctor and talk to him about how frustrated she is she just wants to get like a normal person again. She wants to get it bath. You know and and Just relax and feel normal for a little while. But he's completely tuning her out he's under. He's messing with the console underneath it and he keeps asking her for tool so she gets angry that she he's not listening to her so she's like okay. That's it i'm outta here. So she goes off to pack her things. And when you know while she's off doing that he gets this summons from the time lords which sets up the next story the deadly assassin. And where you know. The doctor encounters the master right. And so when sarah comes back. Sarah is is like okay. I'm ready to go and the doctor who hadn't listened to anything she said is like how did you know and that leads to you. Know her saying okay. Drop me off. And he's like okay. I have to drop you off. Because the time lords need me. And then she goes. So you're going to gal fray and she kinda hints that well i always kinda wanted to see gala for. I never got to see gallon for a but he tells her no. You can't come for whatever weird reason so a lot of the companions wanna see gala free. Oh yeah they want to know what's going on. They wanna know why the doctor hates the time lords so much probably but but essentially the doctor uses this as an excuse to drop her off and say goodbye to her. So what did you make the. They handled that scene where she leaves. Well she clearly was trying to get an effect out of him and she wasn't serious and i have to think there's a swimming pool but no bathtubs yes there. There's probably a bathtub. I would think but you know what maybe not. Maybe that maybe the doctor deleted it for whatever knows. Well yeah. the rooms get deleted johnson. Yeah hardest redesigns itself. I think. But i know there's a film in the cloister room but so my wife loves a bath right. You can save a bad week or a bad day or bad. Whatever if she can if she can have that I'm not not my experience. But i can respect that because i've seen how much it affects her. So yeah i think women in general like like that. They use that to decompress and relax like i can. I can shut the door. And i came to have some time to myself. So yeah Just feel something familiar to 'cause she'd been traveling for quite a while in it just in the time that we know about her is what three four years so so we don't know exactly how long she was actually travelling with the doctor right. She's still looks approximately the same age so we have to assume is a reasonable amount of time but right not being home no matter how good a trip is not being off and around your stuff and around your people you start to miss it. You know your your own personal bathroom your own. You know your neighbors your dog or whatever. It is the Attached to you miss that stuff. Even if you're in paris you know for the for the world's fair or something. Sarah sarah even mentioned. Hey l. give harry and the brigadier your best turgeon jammed. We'll wanted to come with me and see them as well right. I say but it's it's it's too little too late. He's he's gotta go right so you sorry sir this gal thing you know. It's i'm swamped. Gotta go by in multitask a whole bunch. We've seen that in a lot of his characters matt smith. Does it probably the best the whole doing one thing while you're thinking about another so his is distracted nece is very very plain and she's probably she's feeling ignored was what it is and It plays into it but it's not unusual for him. Is that unusual for any of the doctors really. I don't know any of them. Even hartnell would be looking off into space every once in awhile accuweather still but they're all kind of on planet dr essentially because sees us at that point nine hundred years old. of course. there's a lot on his mind. Well there's a classic. Tom baker the line. That i love where. It's actually all sarah. Jane you know like i'm a time lord. I walk in the city so that if he sees him and you know she kind of mocks him you know. She has her like this This hair bonnet that she pulls around her face tries to act like oh poor doctor but how troublesome but you know. He's he's like you know. I'm not not a human being. I'm a time lord. I walk into turn it so i'm not like you. So you kind of sets himself of this like i am a big cosmic being. So i'm thinking about things you couldn't even begin to understand crystal. Christopher eccleston does the same thing with rose. I feel the world spinning under may fee. It's in the you know. The sun and i can feel it. Yes yeah and make us and you ever you ever drive somewhere and when you're done driving like my mind drifted. Yes what were you doing. You're listening to the radio you're drive. Maybe you're holding a conversation with someone else in the car. He's got that time. Two thousand that that tartus first of all is supposed to be driven by six time lords. He's doing the job with six people right or is or is he in through control room. That yeah what did what did you make of the what. I like to call the the shaving kit control room. I really shaving mirror. I really liked it because it was because i was like. Oh yeah i remember that. And i remember and i know why they found it because the other one was falling apart. It's a secondary control room. Yeah the the the. The main control room was delapidated by then set A reason to at least get away from it for a while and so when it looked a little different you wouldn't be like but i thought it was neat and it builds for the future in modern who where they changed the The home screen. The desktop team is top team. Every time there's a new doctor so right yeah and the tartus was old win. The doctor took her so. of course. there's all kinds of new things. And i just i. Yeah i thought that was cool and if nothing else they need. A reason to have added a newer monitor on the scanner along. Yes yes Everyone 'cause those cathro raid to televisions that they had the early ones just wouldn't keep going. Yeah they're essentially was original ones. Yeah the black and white areas the it was like a tv set mounted to the top of the ceiling of the as a twenty twenty. One human being yeah taken into that first hardest is as low as to check the scanner in his seven thousand pound telling v. screen comes down on the it'd be like this is not a future space yet. This is not a time ship is this is crap but so yeah i liked it in that sense but i also like well if it was if it was designed to be intentionally retro. You could pull it out. I also see why didn't would y in universe. It wouldn't be favorite because those little doors. You have to keep flipping down to reach the controls that would just get old. Boss is often as he's working on the hardest getting inside the the the control booth so much smaller just narrows. It's just the pain. That smith would whole point. He's swinging around from swing set under his. So yes so. Yeah looking really cool and those goggles right. So it's a bit like a magician trip. Hey check this out. It's something near to distract you from the what's happening in the real world. I liked that. I liked it. It's my home growing up when i discovered this. Show back in the day which probably would have been about. Nineteen seventy six head. Dark wood paneling in that room. So yeah yeah. The seventy s having lived through the seventies. i know that seventies were all about the wood-pannelling if it ahead blue and gold shag carpeting. Yes a confessions of an old living room. Yes all right. So anything else about the doctor and sarah before i do like i said i think they're great pair there if you just well i think all the time you see tropes and other shows of its doctor who in. It'll always be in a long scarf. Yes take us. That long scarf is to take out l. Trad in this one and when when i think of him i usually think of her so great. Great iconic pair. Yes i agree. I agree all right. Tommy number two. Let's talk l. Dread on earth so this will be. Let's talk about. This'll be the version of l. grad. The one that we find out is based her physionomy on. Sarah jane smith because she was the first human that eldred had had contact with or living being ultra had had contact with in only one hundred fifty million years. No big deal right so but Like i said played by judith. Paris who i thought the costume designer did a really good job given the time period. And you know just made. The character looked very striking kind of like an almost like a in sixty star trek in a way. It's i don't know anything about tailoring or sewing or any of that. What appears to be wearing like a leotard. Yeah which hasn't jewels on it. And they don't seem to sag or pol or anywhere anything like that would you. You would think you think especially the modern television set. You'd be able to see where that's part you're right. They did find job but net together around you like when she moves. And it doesn't cause a lotta wins flare or any of that. The might expect. I thought it was a great costume design. I mean i could see people at doctor. You conventions cause playing this. She might have been cold. I also noticed one time. I think she was barefoot. Most of the time so that might have been a problem. Maybe beyond that. I also have to ask. Yeah if you're regenerated from just the flesh of your hand yeah would close via part of it or is that just her. I have to think that it's her. Essentially she's walking around naked right right so y- and she's not human so you know doesn't the standards apply. Yeah so that might just be her off. You didn't like i said if you've seen pieces popping off or anything that wouldn't happen so yeah. I thought that was pretty good in the make and outfit seem to be of the same enough color. Did he just be her flash so her her stone. Maybe i don't know flash when you're maidstone probably say her silla kit. Perhaps but but i thought that was a visually interesting character. And and so this this l. trad who regenerated from from sarah's appearance based on anyway Essentially starts she wants to. She makes this deal with the doctor to take back to castro and she wants to go back and she's very insistent because she wants to go back to one hundred fifty million years ago when she you know was i i guess you know. But she says she was like exiled or something. Obviously there's more to the story as we find out but the doctor says no okay. I'm a counter. That deal like i'll take you to kastoria but we're not going to go back a hundred and fifty million years. We're going to go back to castro today. Because i'm not going to upset the web of time or whatever for you. You're going to need matt smith right exactly. Yeah that doesn't come until stephen moffatt shows up. You have to wait for that to play with. All that time can be rewritten. Nonsense all that. Yeah so she finally agrees. And the going you know they travel to castro which turns out to be like this really desolate place. and she Yeah she worked. I figures out that. Go into these underground thermal caves. She wants to look for survivors. But this whole thing is booby-trapped as it turns out and then she gets this syringe in her chest so it kind of reminded me 'cause she was radioactive almost kind of reminded me. I don't know if you ever saw the movie. The world is not enough where the bad guy gets impaled by one of those rods nuclear the for the the that you use it a carbon rods or whatever. I forget what the kind of rods they were. I was thinking of colson in the Of injuries that too that was. Oh my god that looks painful but in in gets it back on the show. So what you make of. The i guess the female l. trad and then we can also talk about dr carter professor watson if you want as well say a know she probably got the job through nepotism but she had one ability that i remarked on i was like wow when she was playing paralyzed. Yeah the doctor. Picks her up but that wasn't that wasn't the director's wife that was a the one was the one that was director's wife was professor watson's assistant. The doctor. picks her up. Yeah carrier she planking all around and it's still her it's not. I looked hard at a man. It is not. She's holding her body. That stiff yeah and he was picked her up so tom baker must be pretty strong. At least he was back then to just pick her up because she's those two so she's gonna have some mass 'cause you can see her ends move bake it use some kind of special effect like a wire or something. I couldn't tell honestly look like it. Looked like he picked her up the head to guess she was dancer. That makes sense did kind of move. She did have a bit of grace to her when she walked around. Especially in that leotard. So she probably. I think maybe she was a dancer perhaps but she's also inflexible because she's iraq. It's cooled off enough so that i hadn't even thought about until right now. That's a good solid part of that had pine. That's hurting that character. That wow you really are acting like iraq. Iraq would be yeah. I don't know how the heck they moved. I guess her planet is naturally cold but then she fixed it or whatever at least once probably she probably doesn't feel the cold. I'm guessing being silicate right true. But man i i don't know i mean i kept waiting. What do you call those little things and start track the horta. Also a little little rock monsters. Yeah melted pizza on iraq out the horta. Yes exactly expecting one of those to come in and dig tunnels but yeah. I thought i think she pulled off her bit pretty well and i like the comparison between her regeneration and the doctors. And there's a line. And i was really hoping there would have been a little more to dig out here. But there's a line about all were why. Cd now why is he a he now and you should know better than anyone doctor about the laws of regeneration. They're already hinting that. one right. So let see who says is not right. That jodi whitaker's the doctor can go all the way back to tom. Baker not disagree with it. Exactly well so any thoughts about dr carter professor watson. There's so many people in there that i'm confusing. Car was the guy who initially found that they're that debt sample with growing. It was similar to dna that he ends up getting possessed and tries to kill doctor. He ends up falling off that high scaffold. I thought he was fine. I thought it was interesting that he is his. Possession wasn't total because he was still acting like himself and hearing the voice yeah and was acting so apparently either eldora added could still tap into their subconscious or their subconscious was allowed to have a little more control. Whichever way which also explains why. Sarah jane kinda get giggly with that one little bit l. dread must live line but i thought he had. He was convincing the first time. I heard that voice in his head. I wasn't sure if that was coming out of a speaker or was coming from. Sarah jane through the speaker or or that it was him so i picked up on the third time i watched it. Oh that's in his head so you know that is a nice guy. They didn't did too deep on him but he he not his world crystals but he was the one that was like ooh it's absorbing radiation and the doctors late. Yeah that might not be a good thing so he. He had some contributions to the show. He wasn't just yeah. He was the one that introduced the idea that the crystal was regenerating indeed. Yeah so Professor watson meanwhile so this is the guy that was in charge of the nuclear facility neten complex and initially he very hostile because he thinks sarah. Jane is a terrorist. Who have like. They've had protesters presumably being a nuclear power plant and probably thinks well. She's just some nut that has got herself inside one of the one of the reactors or whatever and locked herself in as a protest so he used her as a terrorist. Not knowing that she's possessed by this alien force will in nineteen seventy six and imagining in twenty twenty one if you somehow are not discovered until you're inside nuclear facility right that's what they're gonna assume yes in putting into shoot. Yes by the way the defenses. That place drove me crazy right. You give rifle. Where's the security in that place. And then he walks up to within grabbing distance with the rifle slung over his arm. He he's not even able to do his job when he does try so i so yeah he he's he's he's got. I want to assume that his world is the science in the safety of that plant in the don't let it explode. Sands is probably some guide shows up at the monthly meeting center security and he gets about two minutes to speak everything on security great and he doesn't worry about that. Yeah his he. He's all of the sudden thrown into this. He got through all of that. Now what are we gonna do about this terrorist lady. So yeah he's off office guard and he's so far off his guard that when you suggest that she's possessed that he doesn't well i he's like no way that's not she's still got to pay for that. And even before he sees a disembodied hand crawling across the floor he's starting to be open to it and because he didn't know where he don't he don't know any of his whole world's changed. Yeah i don't know. He is careers then that nuclear reactor but this is the worst day in the most different day. These ever had even the scenarios where they train for disaster. Yeah it doesn't crystal lady in the radio talk right into the reaction room right though. Yeah and correct me. If i'm wrong. I believe they did the filming on on an actual nuclear reactors done that actually happen in the water generally. Yeah because that's where the power comes from as windows. Uranium is heats out that water brazil. Right so that's how they cool it off when they talk about meltdown is because the water aid off right. Now you're now you're melting this stuff so that that was the one little tidbit i saw right in like about that. But he he's he's in chaos but he stays in charge right. He he tells the lady is. I didn't catch your name to to get out you have to go. He calls family in untypical british. I thought that was a great scene by the way because he you know it's one of those like i think i'm gonna die here so i'm gonna call my family. And he kinda. He's talking to his kid but he's like okay. Yeah that's that's nice but let me talk to mom and let me talk to mummy and you can kind of feel that he wants to say more. But because he's an uptight british bureaucrats. He's not going to his kid and so he likes to talk to his wife and but he's not honest with her either he just says no. Look there's something going on here at the plant. I'm gonna have to stay for a while. Everything's gonna be okay. But as he knows in his head that. I'm probably not gonna make it out of here alive. Well he's not going to get the hang up the phone if he tells the truth. Yeah but but be honest with her. He gives one little emotional thing. Kinda kissed the kids for me right and he goes. Yeah which. I'm assuming is she's like what. Yeah he never does stuff out of character usually comes home and beats the kids. What are you talking about. What is this. he's a man and she's a woman. She raises the kids. Seventy six to his second in command. And i assumed that she was a physicist as well or whatever right she was she's a woman that that's a big deal. It's pretty progressive for seventy six. Yeah exactly. I couldn't help but notice the whole galaxy quest. Okay did when he says look. We need to send a group of men in here. I got the whole thing written down but he would. We really got to get somebody in radiation soon to go running down there since some guys now she turns to the guy right on the other side of her goes. Hey man by lord. Alexey glass right. You can almost see sigourney weaver in that role all right anything else about these characters. No i think they were what they were and dig up all right. Let's move on topic number three. Let's talk on castro their final topic. So this is where we've gotten to castro eldad gets impaled and turns out oh by the way l. draft the one who came up with this acid inside that giant syringe. That is sticking out of her chest so they the doctrines sarah try to rush her to this regeneration chamber to try to heal her and in the process they think that the regeneration device which presumably has also been booby-trapped has killed her because it comes down. It's like it was like this big stone block that comes down. and presumably. Smashes her pulverized pulverizes her. I should say and you see this little outline. But but no no l. grad and then all of a sudden a male elder comes out from a completely different room. Hey here. I am a male. Now i'm dude now and You know like hey thanks for regenerating me into my true form and this is where we find out that l. debts real goal is he wants to rule kastoria but But it turns out. Guess what nobody's there the entire race bank where l was intended to revive his dorm people completely empty and turns out. The they're all dead so he is essentially the ruler of a debt planet and to make matters worse his arch enemy. This king rokon shows up in a video and essentially trolls him about it. Taunts him about it. Saying you're okay. I salute you as the king of nothing. That doesn't go over well to with eldoret. So what did you make of. Coming back to castro. Getting his male body and getting totally played by his totally owned by his arch-enemy rokon so he's the zahed this universe. I guess he's the guy it was exiled. Yeah they're taking them out to obliterate him. Yeah and he had one three thousand or three million or something giant number of chances of not being totally obliterated yeah they rushed the guy in the beginning and it pays off but they're so worried about him existing that not only do they all kill themselves. They wiped out their race bank on another side of the galaxy where somebody might not might find him. They clearly have space travel and could have maybe that maybe they really did. And they just told him they were dead. What what says you're a real bad guy. Yeah more than okay. We've not only do we have to kill ourselves. We have to make sure there's none of us ever again. So he's a bad guy and he a people's off sarah. Jane doesn't like i'm sorry. My dog is having a fit over. Here i can hear yeah. Yeah she was having. She's she's getting old. I stream film. Hi hello especially cameo periods by kelley blue alley lou. Yeah and by the way. I love that your your cats named keiko. Thank you for reference. Yeah that's who she was named after. Kick o'brien yeah. Does he only come out once every week or so. It's always agree with you by geico dog things even though she's a training camp that so yeah. I thought that was a good payoff. You don't get a lot of time. No him right only does monologue shouts like like everybody. Pay attention to me. Yeah i'm speaking in a very loud voice. So i need to be the center of attention. And what a bulky outset he ad but yeah he can move just fine but apparently he can. He's like the you. Know the hunchback of notre tom over here to vogue. Guns doesn't sound right. That's that's hitchhikers. Sunny son torrens. That's probably what no. I'm thinking of those red shape. Shifting things like pizzas that my goodness there there in doctor who their their shape shifter's they have to kidnap out. Goodness there in the one with the loch ness monster and they're also gones. So i got there you. Yeah i see it like that. No net big old thing made me think quite the opposite as those guys looked soft and these guys look rough so i gotta imagine that. That's a really tough planet to live on it and to visit not so much and it's not very strategic of a body formed because to turn your head you have to turn your entire body. Well maybe maybe maybe they moved through rock. And that's a defense. Maybe abs i don't know but et so. Yeah this assuming this malformed. Essentially reveals who grabbed grad really is. I mean we kind of knew. Because i was trying to have people kill the doctor and was perfectly willing to kill all the innocence on earth by discreet. You know causing all this this nuclear chaos so in order to regenerate so you kind of had suspicions and. I'm kind of surprised that the doctor and sarah were going along with all this and to the point where sarah l. trek it's revealed sarah's all like you know he. He played us and i'm watching this going. Yeah have been paying attention. Of course he played you. Well you know. Doctor is like chessmaster versus my level of skill. I can play you and chess. And i sometimes will move here and there but the doctors ten moves ahead. So he's he. Lets it happen right. you got to remember. Let's play house. Let's play out that guy who's lets himself get captured. Because they're they're gonna take to the leader and you're gonna find out what's going on so cut to the end so he he knows he's got a keeps her jane from messing it up as he's going along and i liked the whole bit when they get into the temporal grace thing Here but they also brought up that trump about where's gala free. It must be in ireland. So there's a couple of great ones but the whole the whole plan the doctor the doctor because he can't let him he just can't feeding him rope giving him more rope to hang himself depending on but there's they're selfless let's treat him as binary so he's gender fluid or genders rock. The was the the did the female had to be convinced. Several times convince is not the right word. Coerced even to wada. Rate right. so it's i'm going to cooperate because i have to have no choice of when he gets home and now he's back in his male body. I assume that's the form he had before similar. His is typical form. Yeah properly explodes in clearly. The way monologue said yes. Yeah so yeah. Eight i mean they. They pulled that off. Seems so when you go digging at it it's like wow yeah meglomaniac what he is. It makes sense when sarah makes that comment. You mentioned that that she liked the female version better because at least you could talk to the female version but this version just wants to shout and rule everything so there's no like conversation to be had there. What's weird well. And he's also while i can't insulate my people so enslave yours willing to just the hall right to the end pretty much pretty much. Yeah right and what did you. What did you make of that. Final message from rokon where he says. Okay we were totally stuck to you. You know like hey you wanna be ruler. Well guess what your ruling a dead planet enjoy. You know. that's perfect because meglomaniac cannot be a megalomaniac if there's no audience right so it really does to have him. Congratulations you get what you want. Your the the mighty is one of your kind. You're the last year kind such drastic. What did he say. Cut your throat. Despite her yeah. It's it's terrible. I can't conceive of it. We wouldn't we wouldn't do anything even remotely in the same ballpark. Is that if we knew. Hitler was coming back next year. Right some some people seem like they would welcome but unfortunately yes. Oh and the worst guy you can think of genghis khan hitler right knee and seeing they do to try to obliterate it him and then kill everybody else. Just so there's no chance of him rolling Goodness gracious that's he seems like a little harsh really. Do like okay. We're gonna commit genocide self genocide suicide genocide almost that in order to keep you from ruling our planet and seems a little harsh. But but yeah we're gonna we're gonna take ourselves out of existence because we don't want you ruling us indeed indeed and dedicated their whole planet to that. Same no dissenters. Of course. i don't know who might have been an absolute reverse. Oh right and you don't have to. You do have to respect. Though there. rokon essentially made a trash talking youtube video. That got the pay off. One hundred fifty million years later for that and you know what i also have to say with the tech on that planet it is serviceable and ready to use one fifty million years ago in the only problem with the whole planet that shows his age is the dead dust on the floor of the the other ones that. I love a surgeon's reaction to when she realizes he's walking in the dead ones but yet he's that one wire came lows now not what circuit is like you know. Was it grad. pigs rang. He plugs it into that console. And all you like. Oh you had to do is just covered in dust. Everything's working perfectly. So i have to say castro engineering top notch as they could build a great car the ability. They built it to last. I'd been day do vulgar. That's been their advertising slogans like we built to last even longer than we do. Consider how hard the doctor has to work to keep the tiredness running right. You could use probably stomach components. That city ultimate in technology series series shredder. Talk to me. I don't know what i said. Senator off but anyway yeah. It's amazing their technology and considering how we think of the doctors technology and the differences there all right anything else about the story. We haven't talked about. I do have to mention this in my okay. Love the drove in. You see all the time especially in classic it very pointedly in shahdeh the chata aid. The spinning clock is so time passing. Slim showed a spinning galaxy immense spinning planets around star. Right as like dat is subtle. I didn't even pick up on it. The second time i watched it was the third downs like all again. I love that that that. I don't know it's the little details. I guess that's great. I loved it. That's great all right. Yeah there's nothing else. Do you have any favorite quotes. You mentioned a couple so thought you might have some favorite quotes. You wanna share abba few. Okay go for it. Hold the conversation between the doctor. Answer jane surging. Says i worry about you look anyway. Who found that thing. Doctor says will you did sir james right so i'm involved. It could been me not driscoll and besides from in you're not dodger says that's true she says exactly in he says yes but surveys. Oh but what dodgers's. I worry about you so be careful. We'll both be careful fine that that was a great exchange. Yeah it was the way it was shot because they were shooting it with a rolling camera. As tom baker's walking and sarah jane is you know elizabeth liens trying to kinda like keep up with him and You know he's just walking forward very determinedly and she's just kind of bouncing around like hey you know like i'm gonna be here with you even though you told me not to but But it sure there was a great way to show how much they do care for one another. I really liked it. One quote from the doctor that brings back my love of the sixties batman. Show excellent the james was will. The gravity of the law finally caught up with them. Nice great you feel very much here. Adam west delivering that line dean in ended indeed straight up. The doctor says oh just punch up. Seven four three eight. Oh w aid. I one two one two seven two seven twenty nine one one e eight e x four one one one three zero nine eleven five and then see what happens. I'm like wow just so doctorate. That's but it would be like trying to. I can't remember the three digit code in my locker. You know well you know the doctor. That's why that's why he is and why who we are. I guess i've got a few quotes self. So one of those kinda hinted on earlier where this physician is talking with dr early on and he goes your doctor yourself the doctor replies well sort of yes physician says how do you do tell me. Where did you qualify. If i may ask the doctor. Replies a place called gala frei visit physician mulls this over gala free. I've heard of it. Perhaps it's an ireland and the doctor replies probably and that you know that's that's where we get this joke that gala free as an ireland. This long run at the joke. I think it's i. It might be the first one. Wow i might be the first reference to that released when i've seen. Yeah it's get obviously does come up a couple times. Recently in the jodie whittaker era during his time with children it was referenced Let's see what else. Sarah and the doctor going sarah says. Are we dead. The doctor replies. No sarah says are you sure metroplis. Yes yes like that. And let's see king rotan of course saying so. Now you're a king as was your wish. I salute you from the dead hill. Eldad king of nothing drops the mic walks off. And let's see let's see. Well the doctor underneath the tartus console repairing it or tinkering with it. Sarah says oh. I must be mad. I'm sick of being cold and wet in hypnotized left right and center. Which of course was not because she was always getting hypnotized right. I'm sick of being shot at savage by bug-eyed monsters. Never knowing if i'm coming or going or been the doctor. Replies zeus plug. Sarah says i will wanna bath. I want my hair washed. I just wanna feel human again. Got your replies. Forget this plug. Oh have the sonic screwdriver. This really sets off sarah. She says oh and boy. Am i sick of that. Sonic screwdriver. I'm going to pack my goodies and going home. I'm going home. I said i'm going to pack my goodies. And i am going home right. Excuse me and she takes off. Walks out of the room the actor replies. What was that you. I don't know why she goes on like this. There's really nothing in the matter at all. You have to bring this up. Because i meant to say that scene where he hypnotizing her sees it common yet. She's no that's just not fair and it's on so does our mind. It's fast as mind meld you've ever seen earth was good and then one i didn't mention one quote but where she's like you know ultra must live and the doctor replies what she says just testing best with them just playing with him. I thought it was great sarah. What's your rating from the stories. Are you know. I'm going to give it a solid a kgo eight and a half parole driscoll's painted on the wall it It has some value to it. It's i think it's pretty run the mill except for sarah jane leaving yup forever the cuts at so i mean it's it's not a standout story but it is because of that so i would have given it a few more points if they had done a few things different here and there but i liked it solid all right. I'm just a little bit under you on this one. I'm giving it eight. I'm gonna give it ten reanimated. Eldred hands in a tupperware container. That's great. which is i love the special effect because it was very simple where you had a guy who's hand must been underneath the flooring or whatever the way they shot this and like his hand was painted up like l. draft but then they glued on a part of a wrist to make it look like it was a disembodied hand and his hand was underneath whatever table or the bottom of the container. So it kind of looked like the hand was just to hand by itself so i thought it was a very simple but very effective special effect it. Did they use the the whole really dark shadow to kind of hide. Some of the yeah. Green screen but Yeah they did a really fine job with that. I would rather for seventy six. Yeah the abc budget. Yeah they did. I would have liked seen that finger grow back then suddenly appear right now. That was all right Yeah it had me. I wonder how they got the rain off it good question. Yeah often g. And as jane has it. But maybe the maybe the ring. Let her take it. Well you know The master has ring down the road somewhere when he gets cremated on. The pyre has let the magic powers of that rain truly are. are you mean as ming. The merciless ring. If you've ever seen the nine hundred eighty flash. Gordon you know what i'm talking about. Who hasn't such a great movie. And i love when they revisit the movie ted about how that movies the greatest movie ever made. Yep it's a great movie props will back me up on this. She loves that movie. That one sunday right have we should. We should definitely is. It is a great one. All right so reversed the versus the player because remember we reversed the player. He but now we're going to the future so we reversing it back again. We're confusing the player. He's so for the sake of time. We're gonna keep this short. I'm not going to go into the full spiel. But i wanna say if you enjoyed the hand of fear. I recommend this one should be pretty obvious school reunion because the hinder fear is the one where sarah jane departs. The doctor last time he sees her for and then scoring unionists where they reunite only now the doctors in this tenth incarnation and she's years older so we kind of kind of book ends that so recommend school. Reunion is the third episode of series two and two thousand six written by toby. Whitehouse and features rupert giles. From buffy vampire slayer if you're at all familiar with this one and of course gets the return of canine which hey was co created by baker and dave martin the hand of fear and We we get caught up and mickey ends up joining the hardest crew on sarah. Jane's recommendation so great episode. All around. you know you get some greats. Like cattiness between sarah. Jane and rose over the doctor until they finally Bond over it and they start laughing at him. That was pretty stu. Sacrifice came three only to get the introduction of canine mark. Four who goes off a sarah jane and they you know on the tv series spin off. So you know. I've found you. Bring up the canine issue and i know clearly. She doesn't have canine but she does later on. You never liked. But i didn't find it interesting. That there was a dog waiting for their right or is true. You know she. She has that there a dog. It wasn't canine. But yeah you're right you that one where she steps out the tartus and he's talking about how the doctor blew it because he didn't drop off at south croydon like she'd hoped but brings it up in school reunion. She's you just let me. Do you recover that like it was what thirty years she still had. Let that go so no gene debts. Here's here's a little tip for. Get the guys out there. In relationships with women women never forget never never met everytime. Screw up he remember. It can't imagine. They held her job. They probably had her. You know moved out of her apartment. She probably rebuilder life. Yeah that's not something you're going to get over very easily and obviously you know some extent. She hadn't until she got reunited with doctor and probably resolve some issues that she probably realized she had. You're right she probably will you cut is when you look back on people you haven't seen in a really really long time unless you were a bad part of your life you look back at all the fun the good parts but then when their front of you you're like oh yeah there. Was this one irritating art. Yeah yeah kinda gets out of that stuff kind of comes back up a lot of times you kind of remember why you broke up in the first place that kind of thing. Yeah so this is why. I recommend school reunion guys. 'cause it gets perfectly. I think so feedback. Well obviously dave's here so he gets a pass. He doesn't have to do feedback this time because he he talked the episode with me so i considered writing in just two should like hey future dave this past days. What is going to do that by the way Don't think i want but thankfully of course we have holly mac writing in once again. So holly from. Wisconsin cheers to you for sending in feedback about the hindu fear. She writes in. Hello all hello. Holly always a delight to hear from you. Forgot how good of a episode slash story. This was poor sarah. Jane getting possessed by elder. Add the doctor near the end talking to outdragged to find out why they want. Revenge was a nice touch. She used the day. So she's going with the The the binary pronouns there the costume for eldred was very cool looking. Yes it was. Of course professor. Watson would show up just when the doctor and sarah jane had eldrick convinced to leave and then some chaos ensues and like the desktop theme. The doctor chose to convince eldad in the tartus. And i love not to the temporal grace and tartus. You mentioned those. I don't think the doctrines. Jane knew what to think when they faced eldoret or they came where they met face to face with regenerated eldad no no love lost between eldorado rokon l. grad will be quite a surprise when he finds out there's no followers to be had to do his bidding. You're going to have to get your own damn beer out of the fridge l. draft. Sorry about your luck. And the beer's a little beer is one hundred and fifty million years old so might be a little flat. Sorry he's just like a toddler throwing around a temper tantrum. Yeah yeah yes you reminds me of. I don't know the ending with sarah. Asking about if eldoret survived is quite telling. Of course. The doctor would be called back right when sarah wants to head home. Good on the doctor. For not wanting her face the time lords. Because as we've talked about here next up everywhere the time lords dix. I think so. Yeah i mean. There's very rare with very few exceptions. The time lords addicts jerks though. I wonder what the time lords plans after all the split the doctrine sarah jane up i guess. Oh she's saying. I wonder if that was the plan. All along to split the doctor and sarah jane not sure if we find out for sure so she's suggesting it could have been timely manipulation to split them apart interesting fan theory. That seattle haven't considered that. But you might be on to something there holly well. They have they have other. They have other humans visit in the future the sixth. So they're not an absolute prohibition on being afraid but they didn't want her there or he didn't want her there right he may be going home for scolding. I think it's more that the doctor didn't want her there but because he probably figured as well you know every time they wanna call me back to galaxy. It never goes well so You probably just playing the odds on that one so holly says i'll wrap it up here. Holly from wisconsin thank you. Holly always delighted to hear from you. Like i said and if you want to be like holly and or dave when he's not here talking doctor who with yours. Truly droppings align stop everywhere. sm g. g. Come the next up everywhere. Sm g. southgate media group at the g mail dot com where you can find us on twitter and next up sm g on twitter. Facebook of course next up everywhere. The doctor who podcast or instagram at next stop everywhere. Podcasts dave what are you up to. How can people get a hold of you. When you're not here talking doctor who i am out there as david kay proctor just about everywhere facebook g mail all the winds all the big on twitter instagram. I'm on all of those. But i am more of a passive participant knows than anything but i have been contacted by a few folks from the show. Hell great s sprouts. And i are now friends on facebook. That's great. it really is wonderful if anyone wants to reach out. I'm not too fond of wonderful. Hugh other guys aren't that. I do like having failed credit. Dave you're you're you're completely fund worthy. I just mean. I don't have the look look at collection at comic books by. I don't have anything like that. But i do. Enjoy being part of this universe so of course ask for me. You find me. Skaggs on twitter at skaggs on instagram facebook. Of course shell skaggs in ohio and my blog. Things wait for it. We coffee and hot. We're talking about stuff. We talk about here on the next stop everywhere. Dr who torchwood the surgeon adventures. Big finish audios and more all kinds of news. Sifi news news weather podcasts. That do southgate media group including well. Hey the phantom zone. Podcast where dj. Nick knight just finished loki. And he's already ready to turn the bus back over to me and we're gonna be talking provided we can figure out zan sprouse joining us because she wants to talk the resident alien pilots. So hopefully we can get that discussed within the next few weeks because after that nicaragua to be moving over to tighten. Talk titans podcast. We're gonna be reopening. Titans tower as nick niagara to be discussing titans season three. We're trying to talk jesse jackson into joining us. So jesse. if you're listening you know the doors wide open waiting for you to walk right through it and join us once again on titan talk and then goes with twin peaks podcast where we've got a big one hundredth episode coming up now. Zan has been under the weather lately. So we've had a delay that recording but We're planning on having dj. Nick join us there as well and we're to be watching. The european version of the twin peaks pilot the original twin peaks pilot which has an alternate ending. And we're gonna be doing commentary version of that so if you enjoy your commentaries and this one's gonna be relatively sober so we might actually be able to talk more about what's actually going on screen in digressing. But hey it's us. You know how that goes so fingers crossed but hopefully we'll be doing that soon. So stay tuned for that and then last but certainly not least drunk cinema. I do as our side gig to ghost. Would we recently talked pee-wee's big adventure and coming up next. Hopefully this friday. We're gonna be recording in tribute to the late. Great richard donner who recently passed. We're gonna be discussing superman the movie. So the nineteen seventy eight original superman movie featuring christopher reeve as clark kent superman margot kidder as lois lane. Gene hackman is lex luther and just a host of great actors and zanan. I are on the record. This is our both of our all time favorite comic book movies ever to this day. And it's one of my all time favorite movies so we're gonna be having lots of fun with this one and we encourage everyone here to check us out in the a good time as we kick back and joy adult beverages and watch this together and share our superman fan of with all of you out there in podcast land right. So that's what i've got going on dave anything else you wanna say before we sign off. I'm going to visit with the happiness in darkness with i've been invited august fifteenth. I don't know what the turnaround time as but as the recording date. He gets off after he record them pretty quickly into the spider verse. Yeah spiderman into the spider verse. That's going to be a good one. Yeah i was just on recently. I don't know if anybody knows that we we discussed black widow. I know dave listen to that one so he knows what a good time. Nick and i had talking black widow with his friend. Mas met for the first time. I thought we had a really good discussion. I thought it turned out. Pretty well is so if you wanted to check out knicks happiness darkness podcast for the black widow episode and also days upcoming episode of spiderman into the spider verse. I was hooked after listening to that. I been toying with. Listen into some of his other podcasts. Even they're not right down my alley like it. Does the country music one whisky and cigarettes show they does. Yeah and oscar. Movie one But the happiness in darkness has got me hooked. I'm a i'm checking out all the back episodes. He's got some good ones all right. So that's what's going on with us and next time. Next stop everywhere. We're going to wait two more weeks again. Because we're in the summer season but joining us for episode. Two thirty nine is the wonderful. In like i said delightful holly mac returning to next everywhere to help me. Discuss this is a good one asylum of the dialects which of course introduced aswin oswald and with a very superb twist in this episode and also briefly introduced clara oswald oswald at the end of the story. So you gotta tune in for that one right. There's like dollars from every era but we also get to go into this dalek asylum which is shot so well and very creepy and i love that creepy doctor who episode so. I think it'd be a lot of fun to talk about it. i'm great. I'm really glad that how is gonna be joining us for that one and hope everybody tunes in it. Sounds like it's going to be a good one. I think so. So dave. Thank you so much. I hope you had a good time tonight sir. I had a blast. I appreciate it and thank you for having me again. And you're welcome back any time. Like i said already getting me on your schedule in the future out there. I'm not going to get away that easily. This is a high point. I i enjoy this so thank you again for having me end. Thanks for all that you do in the entertainment world. I put my headphones in at work. When i can and i listened to one of yours or one of those surrounding once i got a few that guys have any part but i'm still get in sooner or later but yeah i appreciate all that you do. We have kind of a wave working our way into places down then but you know as long as they let us or are paying too close of attention. We'll sneak in through the back door but thank you for saying this kind words. I really appreciate because you. It's listeners like you. Dave that really make it worth it because you know. I've been doing this for seven years with jesse without jesse and it's still fun to me i love. I love talking doctor. Who with people fellow fans you'll ever since we started doing this really brought it great new dimension of the show. I think got people more involved and you know especially when you're when we're going through like this is like we're currently going through waiting for series thirteen which hopefully will turn up in a couple of months in the fall. Maybe fingers crossed keeps my phantom alive. My interest in doctor who live. And i hope i hope that comes off and everybody feels the enthusiasm the night you know when they when i talk doctor who with people and hope it. Everybody enjoy what we do. So that's me. My little soapbox i guess cannons a big deal guys. Thank you so much for being a part of next stop everywhere. Dave thank you so much for contributing to what you do on the show and looks forward to having you come back on. Hopefully you'll be riding in the meantime listening to us and everybody else come back two weeks episode thirty nine salamo the dialects with yours truly holly mac and hopefully an email by date proctor fingers crossed. And we'll see you next time right here next up everywhere. The doctor who podcast give by everybody.

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Democracy Now! 2019-02-20 Wednesday

"Yeah. From Pacific, this is democracy now despite the warnings of ethics, lawyers and security experts. The Trump administration has plowed ahead with this idea of sharing nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia, and the reason that they got so cited about this idea has a lot to do with two people close to the president who potentially had a financial interest in that idea. House Democrats are accusing former national security adviser, Michael Flynn and President Trump's allied Tom barrack of pushing a plan to transfer highly sensitive nuclear energy technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of US law. Critics fear. Saudi Arabia could use the technology to build a nuclear bomb and spark a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. We'll get the latest then we speak to a Saudi legal scholar whose fathers in jail facing a possible death sentence in Saudi Arabia for speaking out against the. Monarchy, and we go to Portland where an investigation by the Oregonian newspaper has revealed a number of Saudi students living in the United States have vanished while facing serious criminal charges, including manslaughter Andrey. Looking at here is the possibility that foreign government has systematically subverted the criminal Justice system in the United States to help it citizens escape prosecution all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org. The warrant piece report, I mainly Goodman, Democrats on the house oversight committee have opened an investigation into claims that top White House officials, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn pursued a plant open nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia, despite potential conflicts of interest in objections from national Security Council officials before joining Trump's White House Flynn worked for the company behind the nuclear plan top advisors warned that the export of nuclear technology could be considered illegal. If it could be used as part of a weapons program the plan could also be in violation of nuclear non-proliferation act. According to a report by the congressional committee. The White House may still be discussing the plan. We'll of more on the story with congress member ro Khanna after headlines teachers in West Virginia celebrated. Major victory Tuesday when a contested -education reform Bill was blocked by house delegates just hours into a statewide strike protesting the legislation. The Bill would have legalized charter schools, which are currently not allowed in West Virginia teacher's union say they were not consulted in the drafting of the legislation and that it was retaliation for last year's historic strike, which was credited with launching a wave of teacher, walkouts and other red states. Teachers are set to continue their strike for now. A report by the New York Times. Details number of possible obstruction of Justice efforts by President Trump as he tried to suppress or contain multiple investigations about him. The time says Trump as former acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker to place a loyalist in charge of an investigation into hush money payments made to women who allegedly had fares with Trump by his former personal attorney, Michael. Alan Trump reportedly asked for New York federal prosecutor Jeffrey Berman to head the investigation, but Berman had already recused himself from the case Whittaker testified to congress earlier this month that Trump never pressured him to intervene and investigation. Did he perjure himself? The report also details Trump's ongoing efforts to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, which he publicly attacked over eleven hundred times. The White House says Trump plans to nominate deputy transportation secretary Jeffrey Rosen to replace rod Rosenstein as the next step. You d attorney general Rosenstein is set to leave the Justice department in the coming weeks following the confirmation of William bar to be the attorney general he was confirmed last week bar and Rosen previously worked together at a law firm, President Trump's moving forward with his plan to establish to establish a space force, which would be set up. As part of the US air force. Trump originally announced the space force would be its own military branch separate from the air force, which currently oversees all outer space related military activity. This is Trump speaking to reporters in the Oval Office Tuesday, as he signed the space force policy directive America must be fully equipped to defend vital interests are reserve training forces and developing technology to undermine security space, and they're working very hard at that. That's why my administration has recognized space as a warfighting domain and made the creation of the space force a national security priority, president will need congressional approval. To create the space force. It's unclear for now how much it would cost. The White House says this information would be revealed and the upcoming twenty twenty budget proposal critics fear. The establishment of US space force will trigger an arms race in space in France and estimated twenty. Thousand protestors took to the streets of Paris Tuesday night to denounce a surgeon anti semitic attacks across France. The protests came hours after French president, Emmanuel call visited Jewish cemetery. And I'll say that was desecrated overnight Monday around eighty tombstones were found with swastikas painted on them. This is a protester speaking at last night's mass demonstration is good field to seem I think that antisemitic actions are on the rise. Get something that strikes fear that brings back bad memories. We wanna show younger generations that there's another pats take other than this one the interior ministry said there was a seventy four percent increase in anti semitic attacks last year Francis home to the largest Jewish population in Europe in Haiti police have arrested multiple foreign nationals including five Americans for possessing. A legal weapons three of those reportedly former US military and a fourth previously worked as a federal contractor thirties are still investigating. Why? The Americans were in Haiti the arrests come after days of anti-government protests, which resulted in at least seven deaths. As pope Francis. Convenes Vatican summit on sexual abuse in the Catholic church explosive new revelations of abuse and cover up by members of the clergy continue to emerge. A new Washington Post investigation reports pope Francis was personally aware of multiple sexual abuse allegations at three Catholic schools for deaf children in Italy. And Argentina yet did not intervene to stop the abuse. Or punish those responsible survivors wrote letters to pope Francis. And even visited him at the Vatican in two thousand fifteen x students say they were repeatedly molested rape tied up and slapped on Tuesday group of women, including survivors of sexual abuse by church leaders held a news conference in Rome head of the Vatican summit. This is revived and advocate, Barbara Doris officials have framed this as homosexual issue for couple of reasons. It takes away from the real focus on the problem, which is criminal sexual assault. Intradex smokescreen people how discussing homosexuality rather than the crimes themselves and homosexual issues automatically. We move the women from the discussion and magically cast victims have been made to disappear Arkansas governor ASA Hutchinson signed into law, a measure that would automatically trigger an abortion ban. If the supreme court overturns, the landmark nineteen seventy three Roe v. Wade ruling the Bill does not include exceptions for rape or incest. Arkansas's now, the fifth state to sign into law, the so-called trigger abortion ban. Bill, Illinois became the latest state to adopt the call for fifteen dollar minimum wage when governor Jay Pritzker signed a Bill Tuesday to reach that goal by twenty twenty-five workers celebrated the news after a years long campaign for fair wages in the state. This is fast food worker. A meme. Of the group fight for fifteen issue town, send speaking at the Bill signing before the FIFA fifteen million movement. I felt voiceless all around me was overwhelming message that I didn't matter as fast food worker as a single mom. The I didn't even matter as a black woman CNN is coming under fire after news broke Tuesday that the network tapped Republican operative and former Justice department spokesperson as its new political editor overseeing coverage of the twenty twenty presidential elections prior to her job at the Justice department where she worked under then attorney general Jeff Sessions, Sarah Iskar Florus was an adviser to Senator Ted Cruz and Mitt Romney and was Carly Fiorina's deputy campaign manager for her two thousand sixteen Republican bid. It's Flora's who has no experience in journalism has been critical of CNN in the past including in two thousand fourteen when she re tweeted a conservative website, referring to C N N as Clinton news network on Tuesday, New York, congress member Alexandra Cossio Cortez tweeted. Sorry, didn't get the latest memo after one thousand experienced plus qualified journalists of all stripes were let go without warning few weeks. Ago and still looking for work. Are we still pretending that hires like these are evidence of a meritocracy? She asked lawyers for high school student Nixon men who last month appeared in a viral video as he faced off with Omaha elder Nathan Phillips that DC rally have filed a defamation lawsuit against the Washington Post. They're seeking two hundred fifty million dollars in damages. The lawsuit claims Sanmen was quote wrongfully targeted and bullied because he was the white Catholic student wearing a red make America great again cap unquote, salmon's lawyers say he was targeted as a Trump supporters part of the Washington Post by suggested against the president. They also say the two hundred fifty million dollars is based on the amount. Jeff Bezos, pay to acquire the post in two thousand thirteen and at the goal of the action is to quote punish the deter and teach the postal lesson. It will never forget on quote, the January interaction took place after the indigenous people. This March in Washington DC when Nathan Phillips who was seeing peacefully playing his drum and singing was encircled by Covington Catholic high school students who appear to be taunting and mocking him San men and Philip stand face to face with each other in the video with Sandman smiling as Philip sings and indigenous prayer song to see our interview with Omaha elder Nathan Phillips about the vent. Goto democracy now dot org. Democratic alabama. Lawmakers are calling for the editor and publisher of a local Alabama newspaper to resign after he pendant op Ed -less, we calling for the Ku Klux Klan to raid and Lynch Democrats in Washington DC, good low Sutton, once a widely respected reporter has confirmed. He authored the piece in the print only publication, which was headlined clan needs to ride again in the editor aerial Sutton wrote, quote, Democrats and the Republican party and Democrats are plotting to raise taxes in Alabama. This socialist communist ideology sounds good to the ignorant the uneducated and the simple minded people. He wrote. Supreme court Justice. Clarence Thomas is calling for the court to reconsider the landmark nineteen sixty four New York Times. Versus Sullivan case the case involved in interpretation the first amendment and made it more challenging for public figures to claim liable Justice Thomas. Rowe quote, New York Times and the court's decisions extending it. We're policy driven decisions masquerading constitutional law, unquote. President Trump is also called for libel laws against public figures to be reconsidered in two thousand seventeen he tweeted the failing New York Times disgrace the media world got me wrong for two solid years change liable laws the president asked and renown geophysicist Columbia professor and climate scientists Wallace broker died on Monday at the age of eighty seven in New York brokers credited with popularizing the term global warming and was one of the first scientists demonstrate the link between carbon emissions and rising temperatures in the nineteen seventies. He also advanced scientific. Standing of the oceans effect on the atmosphere, which he termed the ocean conveyor belt in nineteen seventy five published a landmark research paper, titled climate change or we on the brink of a pronounced global warming outlining the role of human activity on the climate, professor broker. Famously said quote, the climate system is an angry beast, and we are poking it with sticks. And those are some of the headlines, this is democracy now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I mean, he Goodman, Juan Gonzalez welcome to all of our listeners viewers across the country and around the world. House Democrats are accusing the Trump administration of moving toward transferring highly sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of US law. Critics say the deal could endanger national security while enriching close. Allies of President Trump. Saudi Arabia is considering building as many as sixteen nuclear power plants by two thousand thirty but many critics fear. The kingdom could use the technology to develop nuclear weapons and tritter a nuclear arms race in the Middle East during an interview with sixty minutes last year, Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, make clear that if Iran acquired nuclear weapons Saudi Arabia would do the same. Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb. But without a doubt if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible on Thursday. The house oversight committee issued an interim report on the proposed Saudi deal after multiple whistle blowers came forward accusing several top White House advisers and Trump allies of attempting to push through the transfer of the nuclear technology despite legal and ethical warnings. At the center of the controversy is the company I IP three which was formed to help you as companies build nuclear plants in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the region, and what they dubbed a Middle East Marshall, play former national security adviser, Michael Flynn work as an adviser for a subsidiary of the firm before entering the White House and reportedly continued to advocate and behalf of the company wants an office. I three was co founded by former Reagan official bud McFarland who pleaded guilty to participating in the. Iran contra cover up in one thousand nine hundred eight house report also named several other high-ranking Trump officials and allies reportedly involved in the proposed Saudi deal, including Trump's son-in-law his adviser, Jared Kushner energy secretary, Rick Perry, and Trump's billionaire friend Tom barrack who served as chair of Trump's inaugural committee. According to the report by the congressional committee. The White House may still be discussing the plan. We're joined now by two guests in Washington DC democratic congressman Rokon of Silicon Valley in California joins us. He serves on the house oversight committee and here in New York. Is it arns door is with us a reporter with propublica? He I wrote about the intense and secret of lobbying effort to give nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in two thousand seventeen his reporting was cited in the house report. We welcome you both to democracy now, congress member O'Connor, let's begin with you. What are you doing on the house out for? Site committee. What are the what is the leadership doing there will? It's very serious matter. Here's why people should care the Saudis have been giving arms to Al Qaeda in Yemen. There's reports of that in the last thing we want to do as a country is to transfer nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia, which could lead to pull information and threat toward security in as the journalist you have on has reported. There's a lot of financial conflict of interest here. Tom barrack who headed up the president's inaugural committee to raise hundred million dollars. Plus is also pushing for this deal in his financial interests in the deal. So the oversight committee is going to have an investigation to see one or the financial interests that are driving this administration to potentially sell nuclear see Krista, the Saudis, and what laws have been violated because as you know, they have to come to congress under the atomic energy act an offer certain guidelines, which they haven't done. And congressman on this this attempt by the administration is still very much a live. There was a meeting February twelfth just last week in the White House between President Trump and some nuclear power developers. What do you know about that meeting? What came out of there? Well, we need to find out more facts. That's why we need an investigation we need to know who was in then meeting what was discussed whether they followed the law that the atomic energy act requires I mean, even when we transfer nuclear technology to allies such as India when George Bush that it requires years of process, it requires the consultation of congress here, you're talking about the potential sale of nuclear secrets to the Saudis who aren't in LA who having gauged in the proliferation of weapons that are being used against our own troops. And there's no process for notification of congress, and you have extensive reporting of people who gain Santa gain billions of dollars from these investments is. Core earn store. The report of the house oversight committee sites your reporting. You did a piece yesterday you did piece last year? Explain I what the Middle East Marshall plan is. And then the financial interests of people like well, Trump, a close confidante spoke at the Republican national convention, Tom barrack, headed the inaugural committee, Michael Flynn, and others the Middle East Marshall plan was this idea that bubbled up in this company that you mentioned three which was that they can strengthen economic and political ties between the US and Saudi Arabia by having the US companies export nuclear power technology to Saudi Arabia, and they started lobbying the Trump administration and initially the Trump transition about how this would fit with Trump's ideas about his approach to the Middle East and make America great of restoring American jobs in American industry, and Tom barrack was very receptive to this idea because he was promoting a similar kind of economic outreach to the region. He had a lot of ties with the leaders. Is there and thanks to the support of Tom barrack. And also general Flynn who was involved in the project before he was in the White House the project the idea gained a lot of traction the early days of the administration and take it through two now. So initially in the first three months as detailed by the whistle blowers who spoke to the house oversight committee. This was really something that was happening in kind of a kind of being rushed through the national Security Council, and that wasn't complying with the requirements of the atomic energy act that requires all kinds of review because obviously the US very tightly controls this technology because it can be misused to to build nuclear weapons more recently. The administration has been taking steps to go through that formal process and have negotiations with the Saudis about reaching a formal agreement to share nuclear power technology if that were to happen. Congress would not have to actually ratify the treaty, but it would have ninety days to pass a joint resolution. In that could block it. What you think though with all the stuff? That's happened. Relationships who Saudi Arabia, the the murder of the journalist Masha show. She the decision by congress to cut off of military aid to to the war in Yemen that they would be some reconsideration of the Trump administration of such a controversial move, which your sense of what the thinking is going on here. There was already a lot of bipartisan skepticism about the idea sharing nuclear power technology and calls to tell us tell congress more about what was happening negotiations or even call off those negotiations, and you've certainly seen an excavation on since all of the things that you mentioned of members of both parties saying we need to put upon on. This means you get some more information. Let's turn to energy secretary. Rick Perry speaking last year at a meeting of the house science space and technology committee energy Secretary Perry was asked to respond to concerns about nuclear proliferation in light of US negotiations with Saudi Arabia on nuclear energy that goes right to the. The point that we tried to make with. Saudi Crown prince in our conversations with him. And with his team that not only will send a powerful message. If they go into a an acceptable one-two-three with additional protocols, but that we that they do that. Because if they don't the message that sent if if the Chinese or the Russians which don't require any of that not only does it. Did it send the message? I think the wrong message by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. But also sends the the message to the United States that were no longer the leader in the world when it comes to civil nuclear power Westinghouse best reactor builder in the world. The second point that we tried to really drive home to the crown prince was that if you want the best reactors in the world, you have to come to the United States and you have to use Westinghouse congressman. Elkana the significance of the testimony of Rick Perry, the energy secretary and his involvement here. Well, I think it's a world view to hell. The Trump administration looks at the relationship with the Saudis, it's all about money. Whether it's selling them, aren't it's arm sales or selling nuclear secrets, there's no moral consideration. I mean, Tom barrack as recently as a week ago was out there defending the kashogi murder in defending the Saudi regimes murder of the kashogi. He actually said appallingly that the United States has done worse, which I totally disagree with. But it gives you a sense of what's driving this. It's financial interests. It's selling interest into the Saudis for money and no concern for our security and no concern for the morality of the Saudis policies. And I sit in that in that clip energy secretary referred to the one-two-three a lot of people are not familiar with that could you talk about the legal limitations on what the administration can. Can do or can't do in terms of transferring a nuclear power technology that refers to the section of the atomic energy act that requires these negotiations in these agreements before sharing this technology, and what the secretary was describing there is really a very challenging policy problem with this Saudis want nuclear power, maybe they have a legitimate interest in diversifying their economy from oil. But as you heard the crown prince describing the clip that you played maybe they also want to keep up with their neighbor Iran with potential military implicated, so the Saudis want nuclear power, they're pursuing it. If the US doesn't help them get it. They're going to turn around and go to Russia or China, and then there are going to be even less security assurances than they would have with the US. So that's a very real policy problem that that security experts struggle with, but what what's your seeing with the Trump administration is that they are arriving at an answer to that policy problem that based on what we've seen out of the house oversight committee was to a large extent based. On people with conflicts of interest pr- promoting this for other reasons. I also wanna talk about Jared Kushner's connection to this. The house reports states in January two thousand eighteen Brookfield business partners a subsidiary of Brookefield asset management announced its plans to acquire Westinghouse Electric for four point six billion dollars. Westinghouse Electric is the bankrupt nuclear services company, that's part of p three's propose consortium to build nuclear reactors and Saudi Arabia, and which stands to benefit from the Middle East Marshall plan and August two thousand eighteen Brookefield management purchased a partnership stake in six six six Fifth Avenue a building owned by Jared Kushner's family company Isaac. Especially interesting giving Jared Kushner is on his way to the region very shortly. And there's a lot of discussion in the house oversight committee's report about materials being prepared for for conversations team Kushner and the president, and obviously Jared Kushner has developed a very close relationship with the s the crown prince and was reportedly described as in his pocket. Well, karnal would you like to add to this? I would just say we need transparency. But here is one thing that the president and the administration could do to show some distance from the Saudi regime, and that is to sign the War Powers resolution that will stop you at support for the Saudi crimes and Yemen. As you know, we passed it through the house next week. The Senate is going to take it up, and I hope that the president will sign it, and at least put some distance between US policy with this Audis, but we need to understand all of the financial interests that administration officials and their friends have with the Saudis, and what's driving or policy one last thing, congressman O'Connor. Euro leader and the congress around the issue of Yemen talk about the legislation that was just passed and how getting nuclear power to Saudi Arabia, which could conceivably be turned into nuclear weapons. Plays into the picture of the worst unitarian crisis in the world. Why pre shit your reporting on this? There are nearly fourteen million Yemenis who face the potential of famine that is because the Saudis have been bombing the port cities and food and medicine isn't being allowed in. It's being inspected. And that's leading to hyperinflation in Yemen. People don't have food and medicine we passed in the house of the War Powers resolution that would stop the US support for the Saudi bombing in Yemen. It's expected to pass the Senate next week or in the next couple of weeks that will be the first time in the history of this country that the War Powers resolution has ever passed since nineteen Seventy-three, and what that will do is make it unambiguously clear that the United States doesn't support the Saudi bombing. As it is since we passed the house resolution, we've seen a temporary ceasefire in the bombing campaign and some hopeful signs that food and medicine we'll go in. I think it would be the exact wrong message of for us to be. Selling nuclear secrets to the Saudis, especially given the reporting that the Saudis are transferring some of these weapons to al-qaeda in Yemen. And in terms of the point that Russia or China may supply the Saudis, the United States has prevented that type of action when we want to we prevented in Iran. We're trying to prevent it in other countries. There's no reason the United States should tolerate any sale of nuclear weapons to this Audi's. Well, we're going to leave it there. But continue to follow this issue. Rokon a democratic congressman from California member of the house oversight committee on that's going to be investigating this Saudi nuclear issue. Also with us in New York Isaac Arnstein reporter with propublica FU I wrote the about the intense and secretive lobbying effort to give nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in two thousand seventeen is reporting cited in the house report, and we'll linked to your latest report house panel probes Trump advisors pushed for Saudi nuclear. Deal. This is democracy. Now when we come back, we'll be joined by a man whose father possibly faces the death penalty in Saudi Arabia. He's in prison. Stay with us. Gasoline daddy Yankee here on democracy. Now, I made me Goodman with one kansallis which turn out a look at Saudi Arabia's ongoing crackdown on dissent, while the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Shoji inside the Saudi consulate in these Tom bull in October sparked international outrage, far less attention has been paid to the ongoing Saudi repression at home. Our next guest father has been locked up in solitary confinement in Saudi Arabia for his political activism since September of two thousand seventeen prior to his arrest prominent Islamic scholar. Salmon, a lotta had been a vocal critic of the Saudi monarchy who had called for elections, and his voice was widely heard on Twitter alone. He had fourteen million followers. But for the past seventeen months. Salman Loda has been silenced. Solomon's son Dula a lotta is. Now, speaking out about his father's imprisonment and recent New York Times bed headline my father faces the death penalty. This is Justice and Saudi Arabia. He writes, he was chained and handcuffed for months inside a cell deprived of sleep and medical hope and repeatedly interrogated throughout the day and night, his deteriorating health, high blood pressure and cholesterol that he developed in prison was ignored until he had to be hospitalized until the trial about a year and about a year after his arrest. He was denied access to lawyers. Someone a though was one of the dozens of religious figures writers journalists academics and civic activists arrested as part of a crackdown on dissent into thousand seventeen overseen by Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, we turn now to someone a lotta son, Abdullah who joins us from Chicago Avila is a senior fellow at Georgetown University in the center for Muslim Christian understanding, welcome to democracy. Now, can you talk about why your father was first arrested his condition now? Thank you for us to meet. He was actually part of a movement demanding and asking constitutional monarchy in Sarabia in two thousand eleven he along with other colleagues signed a petition and coal cold. These public to sign a petition asking demand in civil and and more democratic change in Saudi Arabia. But after the herbs have bring the regime did not seem to tolerate such discourse. So they I mean, the relationship between my father and the state deteriorated. However, when the Cumbrians came to power, I actually started to crack down on the reform. The figures like my father and others. And while at the same time taking their ideas like monitors Lon, presenting it to the west as his own, but at the same time cracking down on the very moderate voices of the kingdom that half been historically spearheaded the campaign against terrorism and extremism in Saudi Arabia in two thousand seventeen windy risked between Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Started heat tweeted. Seeking reconciliation between the two rulers of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. But the crown prince took this to be a confrontation, and if you hours just after his tweet he was arrested by the state security forces and was locked up in solitary confinement until today. Now, the attorney general is seeking death penalty against him on thirty seven charges, including corrupton the earth and disagreed with the ruler, and you know, vague, and very general charges like this and even having books that are banned by the kingdom would not your father before his arrest was. Extremely popular. Not only do you have millions of Twitter followers. He also had a TV show. Could you talk about what he what his TV show addressed. And and was the government's attempt to well. The jailing of him a an act a clear attempt to silence voice. The true. He had a TV show on the state-sponsored TV channel insular Abia called NBC. He, you know, presented a civil discourse seeking social change. He supported, you know, politica rise and basic liberties into at that time, it was toll A-Rated until he, you know, condemned corruption in Riyadh the capital city of Saudi Arabia. The the governor then Afri out the prince, then then prince Salman who is king. Now, ask somebody in his office to call my father life, and you know, disagreed with him and said, you should not talk about corruption in Saudi Arabia. And after that episode. The show was cancelled. And then the bring erupted and my father Joe in the coals for a civil and peaceful tusker mation into Arabia toward more open and inclusive approach in politics in Saudi Arabia. I'd like to turn to a next terp from video of your father saw someone allowed produced in two thousand thirteen video has more than three million views on YouTube, cutting the county had a dream to all the dark tummies rather than the racist. Colonizers? Bandera had a drink here. The voice of Africans chanting their national anthem. Martin Luther expressed his dream in his speech. I have a dream that is for children not be treated based on their color. Let's have our own dreams. Have our light shining from within from without should align. With. Can combine veering colors into a beautiful painting? Mythic edit like, you I long for the place where I played a child in cherished as a man. Like, you full of Embiid and expectation and the desire to be remembered when I'm gone. Moti myth. Like, you stunned by words that judge me and country. I don't recognize in a place. I don't belong to that. Is your father's voice? Of course, translated can you talk about this video. And the message your father wanted to convey, and what kind of response that he received it. The message was to condemn the discrimination, the social discrimination political discrimination, racial and religious could've nation so Rubia. He wanted to spread awareness awareness in Saudi Arabia to this OD public. This discourse is very discoursed that competences fighting against the same of rogue Albra tiffs who actually attack Hasha in this council are actually see can the same death death penalty. I guess my father for similar reasons, political and civil activism. And videos and other videos and my father chanted for political change for social change. So it was a pattern in the past one year and a half that the Saudi conference since this conference ascended to power that the reformist voices are attacked while the same time the same discourse that these reformist, you know. Presented will be presented to the west. Like, if it's the compresses ideas just for PR campaigns without any real reforms or even a real change in Saudi Arabia. The L give you just few examples the conference, for example, talked about empower woman while at the same time he locked up in jail, very prominent actors like religion, and who as a loose of Eman enough. Jan and there are reports now credible reports about sexual harassment and other humorous violations inside present. So under the same time win the conference try to promulgate to there was that. He is supporting mortars Lomb. He locked up the very motive voices of the kingdom while embrace extremist voices like half was on who called for for killing any dissident slot Zan who said. Anyone who disagrees with that one? Hobby dachshund is an infidel and he called for for for excluding those voices who are not within the same sect of his lung. Let alone Islam itself of religion while. The conference just to add one more while the conference. Also tried to present the economy like it's his own. He locked up in jail. Very economists who presented to him and others for the past. You know for the past ten years. A plan to transform and diversify this ODI economy. So he used all that he did various OPEL superficial reforms to. Due PR campaign to their west while luck in the very voices that actually wanted to change that kingdom toward the more civil and civilized society. Now, let me ask you your father has been held in solitary confinement in in prison and Saudi Arabia. Have you been able to communicate with him at all or other members of your family? What's his condition like there? Yes. You members of my family half communicated with him. He he has civil, you know, health issues. Now, he developed spine spinal issues because of the way that they transferred him from one room to another one cell to another. They did not even care about his health. His, you know age he's sixty one or sixty two year old. They did not care about his background his publisher t his family his beloved ones. They just just did not care about anything. He was handcuffed chains were put in his feet. He was integrated more than twenty four hours continuously for a few days. They wanted to the wanted him to her listen at some point. So he would just sign anything that they they wanted him to the they just feed him like hell I wanted to ask you of Jamaica show. She the Saudi journalist who was killed was a friend of yours. You talk about the impact of his death. And also, are you worried speaking out this way, given a treats dissidents, even those abroad, right actually, the case of jemele. Hush hustle G is a demonstration of how that pattern. You know, would do how the pattern would practice the oath retaliation practices in Saudi Arabia? How the count prince in? How far would the come? We'll all the conference go. He reached someone in his in the in the ODI council at in Istanbul. And they did not care about the. Outcry that west they did not care about the appro. They just cared about. How to counsel a date power? How to put all the power in one single hand the incident of Gemma, husky should alarm the west that we tell the rated such if we rate it such practices. We are witnessing Saddam for saying that. With the same conditions. We tolerate it Saddam Hussein. Because we thought we could support him to Iran now, we are doing the same exact mistake with the crown prince we tolerating every catastrophe that he has done during the past week and have he launched strikes against civilians in Yemen. He put a prime minister of Lebanon under house arrest into thousand eighteen he into those seventeen November he actually killed Jamal hustle. Because you have veteran journalist inside the Saudi consulate Instanbul, and we tolerated all these atrocities, he cut ties with Canada over a tweet for God's sake. And we Italy's all that. And we thought well, we could be an ally. With this with this crown prince in order to Iran, we'll guess what that's the same exact ground that we had supported Saddam Hussein for and look look what we what we did. And what happened? I'm are you afraid of speaking out as we wrap up right now. I mean, you're mocha shrug. She was murdered outside of Saudi Arabia albeit in the Saudi consulate in Turkey. You're speaking out here on behalf of your father and for reform in Saudi Arabia in the United States. Can you go home? Are you feel safe in the United States? I feel safe here. And I don't know. Though, and we witness how far that this. How far the Saudi Crown prince went they reached outside. And there are intercepted Kohl's and reports of his colon. These intelligence to bring to lower dissidents and figures who disagree with him from outside to set Rabia. They have no limits. So yeah. But I mean, I know I'm taking high risk, but it's worth taking because we have no choice. We have to speak out my father. My father is life is at stake and not just my father. The feminist activists are actually right now sexually harassed abused. And humorous village are practiced inside prison and hundreds of activists intellectuals. Public figures economists and their their health and freedom is that sake. So. It's a risk worth taking to speak for all these people. I've I wanna thank you very much for being with us Dila is a senior fellow at Georgetown University and the center for Muslim Christian understanding will link to your piece in the New York Times, headlined, my father faces the death penalty. This is Justice in Saudi Arabia. This is democracy. Now when we come back, we go to Portland, Oregon, stay with us. Running by NATO the system Crecy now, I'm Amy Goodman with one gun solace. Well, the Oregonian newspaper is reporting federal law enforcement officials have launched an investigation after a number of Saudi students living in the United States vanished while they were facing serious criminal charges, including manslaughter and rape. The paper found that in that least four cases the Saudi government paid the defendant's bail and legal fees before they disappeared. In one case police believe Saudi officials spirited a Saudi national out of the country on a private plane using a fake passport. So he could avoid being tried for killing a fifteen year old Portland teenager in a hit and run democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon has called on the Trump administration to share information about the Saudi government suspected role in the disappearances last week why with customs import protection Commissioner. Kevin mcalinden who reportedly informed the Senator that his agency and others now investigating how the Saudi students fled the United States while awaiting trial. This is Senator Wyden speaking to the Oregonian Monday, I'm not going to let the Saudis operated that there's some kind of medieval regime that can flow modern diplomatic norms. My sense is there is a lot more here than people realize and I intend to use my feet on the intelligence committee and ranking democrat on the finance committee to make it clear that the days of a country just getting a flat on the rift when they violate diplomatic norms. Those days are over a proposed legislation that would cats the sovereign wealth funds at a significant rate, and I've also made it clear that under my legislation. The course thawed. Family if they continue to engage in this kind of conduct will not be able to use the United States a playground. If they think they're above the law. Well, for more we go to Portland, Oregon where we're joined by Shane Dix and cavenaugh the Oregonian reporter who broke the story of Saudi students fleeing the US possibly with the assistance of the Saudi government, Shane, welcome to democracy. Now, explain how you got tipped off to the story. And then how it grew. Thank you, Amy and one for having me on the show and happy belated birthday to democracy now. And we got the a tip from federal law enforcement back in October twenty eighteen specifically with the case involving Abdul Remond Noura the Saudi national who was accused of fatally hitting fifteen year old Fallon smart here in Portland, Oregon at the time, we learned that Nora who disappeared in June of twenty seventeen two weeks before his manslaughter trial here federal law enforcement believes that the Saudi government helped mister Noura escape prosecution in return to Saudi Arabia in kind of an extraordinary manner. Law enforcement believe that the Saudi government likely. Furnished Mr. neuro with an illicit passport and possibly got him out of the country here on a private plane. Once we started looking into that particular case, we soon found that there. Were at least four other cases here in Oregon where young Saudi students who are studying at public university universities or colleges here. Were accused of serious crimes from rape to possession of child pornography? All of them were all, but one were build out by the Saudi government and all of them have since disappeared. Now, Shane most people are not aware that there's a considerable number of Saudi university students here in the United States. Most of them actually paid their expenses and tuition paid by the Saudi government. You talk about that the the numbers involved if you have an idea. Yeah. Absolutely. So following nine eleven where relations between the Saudi government and the US government were immensely strained back in about two thousand five or two thousand six George W Bush and keying Dula reach an agreement that would create sort of a massive scholarship program funded by the Saudi government to allow tens of thousands of Saudi students come over to the United States to study here in the US last year in twenty eighteen there were forty thousand university students from Saudi Arabia here at American universities and colleges that was down from a high even a few years before of about seventy thousand. So one thing that we've tried to make clear in our reporting is even though we're looking at criminal cases here in Oregon and other parts of the country where Saudi students have been accused of crimes and have vanished while facing prosecution. It's just a tiny fraction. Of the tens of thousands of Saudi students studying in the US each year. I wanted to go back to nura the Saudi student Abdurrachman Samir nura who is accused of hitting killing the hit the hit and run killing Fallon smart while speeding and Portland Oregon before his trial. Neuro reportedly obtained a fake passport boarded a plane left the country. I wanna turn to smarts parents responding to the news. This is her mother fun Lang Venice on father. Seth smart speaking to the Oregonian this old. All like all laws of physics out the door, and you spend months trying to put those things that you trusted as Constance back together. Do all the all of that work in human. And then have heard killer escape just says it all back to the beginning every reopen the world injuries. I mean now the lousy immagination run wild again like he just living his normal life is he is he fever think about it as he cared. Our families are. Forever change. That's Fallon smarts. Parents. She died in this hidden run the Saudi student responsible for killing her fled the country. Shane talk about how you linked up with people around the country finding their stories and what exactly is happening. I mean, Trump has made a hallmark of his presidency talking about immigrants in this country who kill people we all know that that rate is extremely low compared to the general population. But he is not mentioned any of these people who have actually fled the country perhaps with the support of his very close ally. Saudi arabia. Right. So after we found these five cases here in Oregon that appear to be part of a pattern. We wanted to start looking to see if we could find other cases like them around the country. We just started looking into this over the last few weeks. We've already found cases like the ones we've reported on here in Oregon in seven other states as well as Canada again, all of them in involving young Saudi students accused of serious crimes who then have managed to escape prosecution in the US. Some of them have managed to leave the country, even though their passports had been surrendered to thirties number of them. Like, the ones in Oregon have been bailed out by the Saudi government. And we're just trying to figure out what exactly is going on with these particular cases, and just how many more we might expect to find around the country. Well, the Saudi embassy response to your story the embassy in Washington DC released a statement saying, quote, the notion that the Saudi government actively helps citizens evade Justice after they have been implicated in legal wrongdoing in the US is not true, contrary to some media reports Saudi diplomatic missions in the United States. Do not issue travel documents to citizens engaged in legal proceedings. Your reaction change their statement. Well again as of right now. We don't know or I would like to figure out how somebody who does not have a passport because they've turned it over either to the courts with the department of homeland security manages to leave the United States in return to their home country that certainly the question that one of the many questions that needs to be answered in ours ongoing investigation, and that certainly one we'd like to ask the Saudi embassy we've reached out to the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles that was involved in a number of these cases here in Oregon is well as the Saudi embassy with very detailed questions about these particular cases, and that statement in fact was given to CNN and not to our news organization last week. Is there any indication that anyone within the immigration services of the United States was aware of these people leaving the country or somehow green light? Them or or they just as baffled as you are. Well, that's one of the questions that Senator Ron wine here in Oregon has been asking for weeks. He's been reaching out to a number of agencies within the Trump administration trying to seek answers with regards to these students who are disappearing so far he's gotten not many responses, although he did get to meet with the customs and border protection Commissioner last week. So it's not exactly clear who knows what within the US government. The other thing I wanna point out and sort of emphasize as well in terms of the cases were looking at around the country and in Oregon, even though the the case of Abdul Remond Noura he disappeared during the Trump administration. We have cases criminal cases like these going back as far as nineteen eighty eight. And so far we've found seventeen here in the US and Canada. I can also say that we expect to find more. And are looking at more and will likely have our list updated by the end of this week. So it's you know, it's an issue that goes back across many presidential administrations. And it's really hard to believe or to think that somebody within the US government has not known about these for some time. Shane decks. And what is the most important question that you're looking to have answered right now, and what can senators Merkley do as well? As Wyden, we have ten seconds. Okay. Yeah. I think you know, the most important question that we have right now is what role if any has the US government played in helping to facilitate the departure of maybe not all, but some of these some of these students, of course, the most what this brings to mind is after nine eleven it was President George W Bush at the time and private planes, picking up the bin Laden family in various places in the United States and spiriting them back to Saudi Arabia that does it for today's program. We will link to Shane Dixon Kavanagh's. Excellent reporting the Oregonian, he broke the story on the Saudi students playing the US Justice system. Possibly system of the Saudi government democracy currently accepting applications for full time one year paid news production fellowship, go to democracy now dot org. I mean, the Goodman reformed Gonzalez.

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"Aspiration is a Bank that has really lofty ambitions. They wanna save you money while trying to save the world when you give aspirated your money, you can rest assured that none of it's gonna go to fund oil pipelines or to fund oil drilling. If that's the kind of thing you care about you can download the aspiration app right now to open an account today. Let's be real. We all know our data is being mined by Facebook and Google and everyone else, but we go along with it because it's easier to just use all of their services and ignored the tradeoff occasionally were minded that we really should care more that the cost of giving away all of our data can be quite high. Casey Newton cover Silicon Valley for the verge. And he says twenty nineteen might be the year. All of this changes. I think there is going to be some action, and it's all because of something that happened last year in California. Right after the Cambridge Analytica data privacy scandal that you're probably familiar with. Right. Facebook had a an API that Dave away a lot of data and some people got a hold of it and used it to try to influence our election. That's a big issue. I mean, people have a right to be very upset. I'm upset that that happened while in the wake of that. There was a real estate developer name Alastair McTaggart who spent three million dollars to put forth a ballot proposal that would create some really robust protections for consumers around their data. Now, get this all the time. Why do I care about privacy? I got nothing to hide. I don't care what I buy. I live this boring. Life. People say that to me I say to them. Well, the point is not just about you. It's about society and the initiative was gathering so much momentum that at the last minute, he brokered a compromise with the legislature and with tech companies and the result was a California privacy law that is going to take effect in twenty twenty assembly built three seventy five. It's the California consumer Privacy Act of two thousand eighteen and it deals with how companies collect and use our data. It creates a whole new set of protections. That Americans have never had access to before. And what exactly does that regulation? Do. So the new law does a few things play the biggest is it just grants consumers the right to know. What information companies are collecting about them why they're collecting that data and who they're sharing it with. Right. So pretty basic stuff, but stuff that we have so far not had any right to it. Also gives us the right to tell companies to delete our information and not to sell or share it and businesses must give us if we often out the same quality of service. We were getting when we were giving them our data. So that's a pretty nice set of features that so far has been denied to us in America. And so how does that compare to what's on the books nationally is that just far beyond what we have already? So it's interesting that in America, we don't really have a comprehensive federal. Law around data privacy. Instead, we tend to regulate it by sector. So you might have heard of hippo which sort of controls the way that health did it can be shared. There's for which applies to school health records. And then there's something called Coppa which regulates data privacy. But only for kids under the age of thirteen. Why do they all sound like Pokemon or something they're they're adorable laws with teeth? Okay. Good good. And you know, in addition of those the Federal Trade Commission has at times tried to enforce data privacy standards or kind of set standards. But as you might imagine tech companies have pushed back on that and told them that they do not have the jurisdiction to do that. And how did tech companies in Silicon Valley react to the law California passed? So they reacted in two ways. The first was to say that they supported the law very strongly at the second way was by trying to undermine it. And make sure that it never takes effect the way that they're doing that is by lobbying for a national Bill that will supersede the California legislation and privacy advocates are really really worried that a national law if and when it comes to pass is going to be much weaker than the one that was passed here. Why appear to support it? And then, you know, through back channels and lobbying try to get a national law passed, so lobbyists aren't dumb. They know that there is probably more attention being paid to data privacy right now than at any time in history in Europe. We have a regulatory framework called the general data regulation protections. We need a similar internet Bill of rights here in the United. States. We need to put some digital rules of the road into law when it comes to people's privacy. And they know that it's not going to be a popular position. If companies like Facebook and Google come out and say, well, we actually don't think consumers do have a right to know data were collecting or who were selling it to. So they know that that would look really bad. They're also deeply worried though that there will be a patchwork of legislation that gets passed across the country. They would have minor variations in what kinds of data consumers could request or what sort of actions, they would take which would just make it very difficult for them to operate a national service. And so they're hoping they can get one consistent piece of legislation that can apply to the whole country. So they essentially only have to rewrite their software once. What kind of laws might come out of a federal effort here? Well, there was a what they called a listening session in California this month, where people on both sides of this issue talked about that exact thing and lobbyists for the tech companies said that they are not trying to weaken the law and just that there are some inconsistencies in it. For example. The law says both that individuals can request data but also households can request data. And so they raised the possibility that you might be able to request all of the data that Facebook has about your roommate, which was presumably not the intent of the law. So they're hoping to kind of iron out some of those kinks at least they're saying publicly. Of course, it would also not be at all surprising, if the national law, you know, didn't have quite the teeth that the California one does should it be reassuring that California was able to do this considering how powerful and wealthy. These companies are even their home state was able to legislate around. Them in a way that they don't seem to like, I think so although I would also note the tech companies are really bad at getting what they want right? Like, they're all of these examples where tech companies are radically opposed to something and it happens. Anyway, for example, all of the big tech companies are heavily invested in the idea of immigration reform. They want more H one B visa, so they can get more workers from overseas to build new software. They've been fighting that battle for it feels like a decade and they've gotten absolutely nowhere on it. There was a piece of legislation that went into law last year called foster and sesa- which was purported to stop sex trafficking. It winds up regulating a lot of speech on the internet that is about sex that has made it impossible for a lot of online. Forums to even host any discussions of sex for fear that they will be held liable and potentially driven out of business that was something that all of the tech companies opposed until. Will you know, suddenly they didn't and they essentially got steamrolled by a bunch of other forces. So even when the tech industry puts its mind to something. It's it's not always very good at getting what it wants. And that's the spite the fact that lobbying spending. These tech companies has been increasing exponentially for a decade is the kind of thing that both parties agree is a priority. You know, in California, the Democrats have super majority control of the legislature. So, you know, there was essentially no risk that Republicans could have derailed this even if they wanted to, but nationally it would seem that data privacy is bipartisan issue, if you look at the hearings that were held in congress last year with all of the big tech companies while they weren't always about data privacy issues, specifically for the most part Republicans and Democrats were asking pretty pointed questions about what kinds of data these companies collect in what they're doing with it. So it doesn't seem impossible that will see. A bipartisan compromise here. Do you think something could happen this year? So when I was in DC last year, I spoke with some congressional staffers who told me that they did expect. There was going to be kind of a mad dash before the California law takes effect next year to get something into place. I think you're gonna see a lot of pressure on them to figure out some kind of national law. Casey new reports on Silicon Valley for the verge. He's got a daily newsletter called the interface all about Facebook in democracy. You can find it at the verge dot com slash interface. Gear Swisher spent a lot of time talking to the most powerful people in Silicon Valley. I asked her what more privacy and value for our data might look like after the break. Okay. So you've got your big banks that charge all sorts of high fees, and maybe use your money to fund the things that you might not agree with? And then there's this Bank called aspirin that wants to do better. They've been featured in Forbes and the New York Times and money magazine, which I've actually never read that sounds like a good one. They offer a one percent annual percentage yield zero ATM fees anywhere in the world and the option to choose your own monthly fee. Even if it's zero I think there was a nine inch nails album that worked like that. Once aspiration commits ten percent of their earnings to charities that help other Americans and does not use any of its money to fund oil pipelines or drilling. If that sounds good to you. You can put your money where your heart is and download the aspiration app right now. Open up an account. You earn one percent annual interest pay zero ATM fees, and who knows maybe, you know, make the world a better place while you're at it. privacy. There's a famous quote by Scott mcnealy from when he was running SUN Microsystems, somebody said there's no such thing as privacy get used to it zero privacy. And I think he's probably right. Like, I in fact, he's very right right now. But control of your data is what this should be about. Do we have a right to control all of our data because it feels like the trade off? We're making is we get all these services for free and in exchange, we surrender all of our information. It's just it's just knowledge of it. Right. Yeah. Like, you're gonna be giving what your liver now? Like if you didn't really understand that you'll be like, oh, wait a minute. And I think it's explained in plain English if you understand where it's going. I think control absolutely like they can't use it for purposes that you weren't intended to since you can't intimidate everything you should be told when they're doing unusual things with it should be super simple to understand where your data's going and how it moves around the internet there. So. Many players here federal lawmakers fifty states so many companies what will it take to get this right for the entire country. You know, a national privacy law some sort of privacy law that that it makes sense doesn't squash innovation right? You don't wanna make it too onerous for small companies to deal with all this data that, you know, the the issue is when some of these things when they're two owners, the googles and Facebooks of the world do great because they have teams of lawyers. That's what's happening in Europe. So it's really hard to create a startups because they have to follow these very difficult laws that are hard to do. And the question is the other one is that these companies can lobby, you know, they have lobbyists they act like they're like simple folk with their hoodies, but they've got huge James of lobbyists now. Yeah. And so you have you have legislators like Chuck Schumer who's really friendly with Facebook, for example or friendly with Google or others who doesn't want as much legislation. Yep. You know, Alexander your Costco is written quite a bit about this issue. The power of tech companies on Twitter. Which is ironic, obviously. But there's there's gotta be a way to come to the middle of what works for businesses, and what works for consumers, I would opt for consumers always. And that's what legislators should be doing. But obviously that happens. Never the US is a special case, obviously next to Europe. We we're not as crazy about over-regulating business, right, Oregon. All right. Exactly. Yeah. What do you think makes sense for the United States when it comes to data privacy? I think it's very clear where there's I did a story for the New York Times of column about the internet Bill of rights, and it had a number of different ideas. And it's not one can't have one internet Bill of rights, but you can have is an idea around a couple of things. I would I would think control of your data when you give someone data. It's just for them and it stops there. And they can't use it for other things. Just a knowledge of it. You can't click every time because that's gonna make you not pay. Attention just gonna keep clicking. Because I, you know, I really want this dating app or whatever it is the scrutiny. Sure. Scooters? Whatever. And so there should be a clear signal when you're signing and plain English. This is what we're going to do with your data. And then when they do something else with it to to inform you and tell you about it. And then when they one of the things I think is critical when there's a hack that they have to tell you immediately like immediately like look even apple didn't tell us about this problem with the FaceTime for a week. Right. And then what happens you get all these attorney generals come in law and nothing happens. And so they should just say, look if there's a big hacking, you've gotta say like right away, even as you're trying to figure it out that you warn people. So they can change their passwords or whatever how do the sort of, you know, good intentions of Silicon Valley complicate this. The fact that you know, Google's motto is don't be evil or it's been a little worn out. Alphabets motto is do the right thing. That's a little worse for wear. I don't know. I was there when they talk talked to me about that particular thing. Right. When they were thinking of it. It was just ridiculous. It was ridiculous PR. I'm sorry. I know what they were thinking like this idea. It's like. Whoa. Wait a minute. Do we assume evil like you know, what I mean? Like, wait. We didn't why do we have to declare don't be able where you considering evil. I'd rather them. Just be honest and say, listen, you create an enormous amount of data moving through your day by wandering around using your phone using the maps ordering pizza blank, you know, playing the game dating your treasure trove of information that we can then sell back to you in the form of ads, and we're going to do that. And here's how we're going to do it. And maybe they should pay us Gavin Newsom ideas about this in California. Maybe they should like look care. We make fifty dollars off you you want twenty of it. I don't know. I just it should be. It's should be a more a relationship, essentially, you are they hate this expression. You it's an and Tim cook from apple uses because they don't trade an dated this way, although they certainly benefit from Google search. They get billions of dollars, you know, everybody's sort of jacked into the system of information. And but he does say this is raise your the product. I don't know if you're the product, but I just recently interviewed Roger McNamee who's written a book called sucked. He's like you're not the product you're the fuel. And it's true. I think that's a better way to put it your the fuel that that makes them gives people insights, not allows marketers to reach you. And so there's got to be a new system. It's more creative. They wanna be so creative, and they don't want to be evil. What's the what are the things? They can do to give you these great services benefit from the financial and also help you and protect you. So we heard from Casey up top that were definitely going to see a push for national data privacy legislation this year. What do you think the chances are of something actually getting past not good? Not good. But you never know. I mean, there's certain it's got to go through the committees. I think it goes through the commerce committee in the house and the same thing in the Senate doesn't have a sponsor yet in the Senate. But there's a lot of people interested in the topic. And what it looks like, you know, I Nancy Pelosi was very committed to the idea of it. But she's got her hands full. She got the crazy freshmen over here, and this and that and also you're going into. The the presidential election and privacy. Doesn't ring quite as true is healthcare like universal healthcare or Medicare for all. Or you know, it doesn't it's not as sexy a topic. Like, we would like to protect your data. Oh, thank you. Sloganeering? Yeah. It doesn't. And it's not a great thing. Although Amy klobuchar in her announcement when she had the snow falling on her head that was one of her was right up in the top of her platforms. Regulation of tech, which was the first big the others talk about it. But it was right front and center for her. I don't know what her prospects are nationally. But it it was interesting that she picked that. And she's quite there's a lot of very adept legislators on this topic. Mark Warner Rokon of his congressman Michael Bennet from there's a bunch. There's a bunch of very people who do understand these issues, and including in governors like Gavin Newsom in California or Jared policy in cal-, Colorado, certainly knows he comes from an internet background tons of attorney general's or dying to lawsuits on these things which is not the way we should do this lawsuits. And in the meantime, I guess we should just brace ourselves for another scandal or two before anything happens scandal. It's gonna keep happening. The more you load. Jack yourself in the system the more. They they have the ability for mistakes to happen. And most of them are mistakes. They're not malevolent, but they are malevolent because they're gonna fix them eventually becomes willful ignorance of of of enormous amounts of data, and you sort of just roll over and go crap like cheese we's them again. And there, and then you're like, oh, they deliver really quickly, and I like them, and right, and ultimately become a creature of their what they want. So. But they have good delivery. Jerry Swisher hosts to tech podcasts once called Rico decode the other one is pivot. I'm Sean Rotherham. I host just one podcast today explained, and we launched this podcast one year ago today. Thanks again to ask raisin for supporting the show today. 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20190404 Nicole Sandler Show -Thursdays with Howie Klein

The Nicole Sandler Show

1:00:03 hr | 2 years ago

20190404 Nicole Sandler Show -Thursdays with Howie Klein

"The following program contains graphic material, including offensive language, viewer discretion advised without bring democratic form of government could exist. Switch out sounding club looking out over London. I'm good evening. Good evening from our CBS news room in New York and DC presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from ABC this is world news tonight Jennings in London Robinson in Chicago. And from our desk in Washington. Frank Remmel daily to this historic legislation to telecommunications law. The three dads. And. When the price is free the people of country free when the rush is free. So people of a country are in danger of flavor EDU in for information and the views of people making the news, insulin Ecole Sandler Shaw on the Coles, handler dot com and the progressive voices network. It is an exciting evening. And then the air is just crackling with mild anticipation because. Americans are on the edge of the middle of their seats. Waiting. For the possible eventual release of the actual Muller reports. All we know. So far is what we've been told by attorney general and cheerful mortician William bar. Bars bars summary was not quite four pages long. Well, the full Muller report is nearly four hundred pages. That's Harry Potter length. Everybody wants to read Donnie Trump in the idiot of as Kevin. Coming down. No, congress got tired of waiting around today. The House Judiciary committee approved a subpoena to get the full Muller reports. People. These people these people love house committee procedural votes. Hey. Right. Who wants to road trip down to DC Tuesday for the financial services and general government subcommittee hearing on the IRS budget requests for the fiscal year. Twenty one. Thing is I think these people actually mean that now. Attorney general bar said that he's currently redacting Muller's report in preparation to send me to congress. But House Judiciary chair Jerry Nadler says, nah, you willing to negotiate any middle ground in terms of Dakshin 's of them not know, the committee must see everything. Yes. The committee must see everything. Just like patriots owner, Robert Kraft. They demand the full release. Now, Trump Trump was already weighed in on Jerry Nadler via tweet claiming that Jerry big neds is hypocritical in nineteen ninety eight Representative and. Liam POS the release of the report on Bill Clinton, no information where so ever would or could be legally really's, but with the collusion Mela report the dams. Hey, he wanted nothing will ever satisfy them. Well. I don't know about nothing. Seeing you hold out of the White House. It'd be pretty satisfying. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaking of complete nonsense. Donald trump. Last night. The president was the featured speaker at a fundraiser for the national Republican congressional committee or network. He gave them some advice on how to win back the house. We're going to watch those vote tallies. I keep hearing about the election and the various counting measures that they have a lot of close elections that were they seem to every single one of them went democrat. If it was close, they say the democrat with this something going on you got to. Hey, why you got to be a little bit more paranoid than you are? Oh my God. More. Have to be more paranoid. Republicans already think that caravans of immigrants from three different Mexico's coming there lake houses and gave Mary their wedding cakes. As ever Trump was concerned about secrecy by don't wanna use names because getting trouble because it's always somebody's gonna leak this whole damn speech to the BDO. Yes. Someone's going to leak this speech. He said directly into the cease fan camera. Jodi. Oranges. Orangey aren't too. He continued if you had a normal president. I don't want to say that negatively I think I'm very normal. You know, what a normal person rarely says, I'm a normal person. Yeah. You know, what a normal person also rarely says. I'm not a bitty baby. Not a baby or I love the educated. Yeah. Or an Amish really add enormous or Nope. They now go and take a look at the oranges or the orange is of the. Investigation. The beginnings of that investigation about the Muller report Muller report, I wish covered the oranges aren't how it three times. He said oranges. The investigation got stuff doesn't he sound like a like a doddering old fool? He sounds like the old guy, you know, in the nursing home who just can't find his words anymore. Not that he ever could. Welcome to Thursday, everyone. I am Nicole Sandler. Thank you for joining us. We are live here at Nicole, Sandler dot com and on YouTube at three PM eastern, noon Pacific. We're on the progressive voices network now Tuesday through Friday evenings at ten P M eastern seven Pacific, if you're wondering where we've been if you regularly listen to us on progressive oasis, that's that's the scoop. So the last twenty four hours have been interesting, I've been swatting trolls on Twitter. I know I should just leave. Oh, somebody. There was somebody holding calling into the show. I was going to take the call, but they got impatient. Anyway, what I was about to say is I've been arguing with people on Twitter actually blocking more than I'm arguing because I'm really trying not to argue with people. But if you would like to comment on anything that I said, you know, my my my my criticism of Joe Biden, my my take down of Donald Trump yesterday my problems with. You know, you name it. The phone lines are open. I don't always ask for Kohl's. But just know during the first half hour of the show while I'm doing the news, should you care to call in your discuss anything we're talking about you're more than welcome to. I don't even screen your phone calls the numbers nine five four eight eight nine six four one o or if you're on Skype, you can Skype directly to Nicole Sandler, all one word, and and we'll talk so someone just called him from the two four eight area, code and got impatient. I was gonna take the call. But yeah, the thing is I've been batting down. Trolls who are tweeting ugly attacks on Bernie Sanders. Now, I know Bernie doesn't need me sticking up for him. But I'm not the kind of person who sits idly by while lies and misinformation are spread. And if you come at me on Twitter, I'm gonna come back or I'll blocked you. And I've blocked a whole lot of people but the lies, you know, this is twenty sixteen all over. Again, I got to tell you like here. Here's the. You know, people are are screaming as you as you do on Twitter that Bernie Sanders hasn't been vetted excuse me. He got a pass in two thousand sixteen God that's new to me a never ever ever heard that. Oh, damn. I thought I flagged this one. Tweet. But I guess I didn't. Anyway, I I'm happy. Yes. I'm mentioned Bernie is the front runner, and I have all these idiots. So what do you mean? He's a front runner. How do you do? He is. He is because right now the way they judge your position in the race is by fundraising, and polling and out of all declared candidates Bernie Sanders is in the lead. Okay. So so yesterday, I did I took issue with some people who got on my case because I dared to criticise Joe Biden's what I consider creepy behavior. And but the way they came at me was not not for the fact that I was criticizing Joe Biden. But saying how could you say this when the guy in the White House is so much worse. This is not a competition of who can be worse, we have standards or we should that that we hold. Our highest elected officials to neither one of those guys belongs in the White House. I think but but that's not what this is about. Just because I think what Joe Biden has done is wrong behavior, especially in two thousand nineteen it doesn't lessen the disdain I feel for Donald Trump's. So anyway, I got some feedback on my my little rant from yesterday. So I accepted it and posted it as a standalone YouTube clips should anybody care to revisit it or share it? That's that's up there. But you know, the thing that's really getting me today is we've talked about it a lot. I'm always talking about opposite world. And that's that's where we are in this Trump universe. We are living in opposite world thought you never knew it. Thought you never knew it sideways is straight ahead. No longer reality is fiction. Signposts you're next up on world. So you might remember I think it was just a week or two ago that the house of representatives voted unanimously or as close to unanimous, they'll get it was four twenty two zero with I think a handful of Republicans voting present on a resolution demanding that they released the full Muller report again a week ago house of representatives four twenty two zero votes to say the American people deserve to see the full Muller report. Well today. Interesting somebody brought it up in the Senate and Rampal blocked, it Lindsey Graham has blocked that same motion in the past as has Mitch McConnell. So what was what passed unanimously in the house? The Senate won't even bring up for vote again. Donald Trump kept saying oh, I've been a hundred percent exonerated. He's on rugs. You're ready. How do you say exonerated anyway? But now all of a sudden as we learn that the molar investigators are not very happy with the way Bill bar characterized their work in his four-page memo on the report, which he says is not a summary. It's not a summary. Yeah. So. And it's not a summary for sure it's not a summary. There was a Katty Kay. This is what I wanted to share with you on on on Twitter. Oh my God. Caddy? Let me let me see if I thought I flagged her. Her her tweet, but I just have to share this. What do you know Katty Kay is? She's the the the PR the anchor. She's I think of like a fill in anchor for the BBC world news the American version of world news. She tweeted God. No, I can't find it. Damn it. This is going to bug me. Now, I gotta find this because it was just so indicative of everything that is that is wrong with. You know, so many in the news media today. You know, what it's probably going to be easier. If I just look at my Twitter feed, because I I think I, you know, I just I respond to people. So okay. Can't Katty Kay of the BBC and morning. Joe tweeted, she she re tweeted Michael Schmidt, who's a reporter for the New York Times who tweeted out the story, they broke last night new some of Muller's investigators see their report as more damaging for President Trump than attorney general bar initially made it out to be with a link to the New York Times article, okay with a link to the New York Times article and Katty Kay re tweeted it with this comment risk for Dem's. Here is that the public narrative has already been formed, and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going. No Katty Kay the risk for us for our democracy. Is that people like you who purport to be journalists post shit like this truth is what we're after not the fact that the attorney general who was a a Trump sycophant who was only hired because he he wrote a a an unrequested memo saying that presidents can't be guilty of obstruction of Justice. He auditioned for the job, and he got it. Once Donald Trump knew that this guy is attorney general would clear him or put his finger on the scale as much as he needed to to ensure that Donald Trump does not get charged with a crime and Katty Kay is the worst example of a so-called journalist whose only here to what the inaugural over to write down. What they tell her risk for Dempsey. Or is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers. And keeping the story going know the risk is someone like you who calls herself, a journalist doesn't tell the American people the truth. Shame on you. I would say you should be disbarred. If there were such a thing as the bar for journalists. You're no journalist you're fucking right wing Schill caddy K. Shame on you. Let's go to the phones. Hi, who's this from the seven oh one area code? Hi, it's great. Right from her Takada, Greg from North Dakota. Wow. I'm glad to know that we have somebody listening in North Dakota. How how're you doing today? Could be worse. I guess okay. What's what's on your mind? This afternoon. Oh, just wanted to tell you that tiny hands has prima cure Jonah rations syndrome. Okay. Premature exoneration syndrome. I like that. Yes. He does. Okay. That's cool. Well, thank you for the call. It's nice to hear someone from from North Dakota. Thanks for listening. Yes. And premature exoneration. That's funny. Yeah. I will I will include that NBC is reporting that the molar report includes quote detailed accounts of Trump campaign contacts with Russia and depicts a campaign whose members were manipulated by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation. Yes, you see they may have tried to frame the narrative like this. But as often as I put down the American people saying that we're stupider than than than I thought because we elected Donald Trump, actually more people voted for Hillary Clinton that Donald Trump's. So we're not that stupid. We just have this ridiculous electoral college in place. But putting that aside I think the American people are smarter than that. We know a majority of Americans want to see the full report, they don't believe Donald Trump. We know that he's lying because after all he always does. And as soon as we get the full molar report, we can find out exactly what is going on. Hopefully, it'll happen sooner rather than later. Okay. Today's Thursday, that means Howie Klein, we'll be here for those who don't know how he Klein is blogs at down with tyranny dot com. He's one of the powers behind the blue America Pac and it is their mission to find vet and help support. The best progressive candidates for congressional races and others and by progressive. I don't mean just someone with a d next to their name. A we do actually vet candidates around here and. And how he Kline does a great job of that. So anyway, how he will be along in. At the bottom of the hour. But first, let's let's get to a bit of the news, shall we? Why? All right. Well, there's been some news this morning. So let's do it live doing live. Sorry. I can get carried away. Sometimes to people familiar with the push with with the push. Oh, said Donald Trump is planning to nominate. I missed the beginning of okay. Let me back up the house today. I should not start in the middle of the page. The house of representatives today. This is big news. Big big big news approved a measure to cut off US support for the Saudi led coalition in Yemen's bloody civil war this in a harsh rebuke of Donald Trump's foreign policy. The vote was two forty seven to one seventy five one Republican voted present. All Democrats voted for the measure, sixteen Republicans joined with them Trump, of course, is expected to veto it which passed again with bipartisan support in the Senate and marks the first time in history that a War Powers resolution will reach the president's desk. Now, this is interesting because the effort was a top priority for House Democrats after they took control in January, by the way, the Bill. This Bill was written by Bernie Sanders. Unders and ro Khanna introduced by Rokon in the house Bernie Sanders in the Senate and again the first time in history both the house and Senate passed a resolution ending aid to an unauthorized war. So oh, it's just glanced over to the YouTube chat room. And I've seen a coal in their ass. What about the new rule Democratic Party passed? No primaries. Funny. You should ask. We'll talk with Howie Klein about that among other things. So stick around we will get to it. I'm the house was busy today. It also totally rebuffed the NRA approved a revamped violence against women act that would expand law enforcement's ability to restrict gun purchases by convicted domestic abusers the vote on. What was once a broadly bipartisan measure I passed in nineteen Ninety-four with to sixty three to one fifty eight. What the NRA did was they got into this mess, hoping to intimidate Republicans and Democrats in Republican-leaning districts and warned. Congress that they would track and publish how they voted. Well, thirty three Republicans bucked the NRA threats and voted with the democratic majority in favor of the legislation. Thirty three among them. Representing Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania who was the sole Republican sponsor of the reauthorization of the violence against women act. One so-called democrat voted against it in case, you are wondering that would be Colin Peterson of Minnesota. He was he was on the wrong side of a vote yesterday to this guy needs to go. Hey voters in Minnesota. Find a primary challenger for Collin Peterson. Yes. That goes against what the D triple C's telling you, you can't do Tim Ryan of Ohio. Who I hear in my ear? He's a congressman sort of a backbencher from Ohio who challenged Nancy Pelosi for speaker and failed. Anyway, he is jumping in to the presidential contest. Yeah. He's going to take on President Trump and twenty twenty that would be Tim Ryan and Eric's wall. Well, in case, you're wondering, you know, the guy who's other job is appearing on cable news, TV he's joining the pack. He will apparently announce his presidential plans in an appearance. Oh, I don't have the date soon with on the late show with Stephen Colbert. Because of course, that's where you announced your presidential bid. Right. Hey, here's big news. Donald Trump flipped again. You know, this time he's backing off on his threat to shut down the US Mexico border. Instead, he's giving Mexico a one who in your warning. And he's threatening to I impose auto tariffs before closing the border. I've got a question for you. Have you ever seen them Mexican car? Do we import cars from Mexico? I know of Korean cars are drive the Hyundai these days. I know of Japanese cars, I missed my Prius. Mexican cars. It's a new one on me just saying, okay? Oh, and then there's this Donald Trump plans to nominate. Herman Cain to the fed board. Remember Herman Cain nine nine nine. It's the non none. None plan. You know? I'm not gonna waste any more time on that Google it if you don't remember. Yeah. To put me to people familiar with the push said, Trump is planning to nominate Ben Carson to the Federal Reserve seven member board of governors, which has to empty seats. He's also hoping to fill the other seat with this idiot. Stephen Moore who who you've seen just just say ridiculously stupid shit on CNN a pick that has led to an outcry from former White House officials in both parties because of Moore's political background and lack of federal aided experience. By the way, today, if you're not busy at five pm, your local time get out and take part today is the day, the Democrats and citizens who believe in our that. It's our right to. The entire Muller report are mobilizing five. Pm local time wherever you are find the closest rally by going to Trump is not above the law dot org or text RSVP to two one three three three. Okay. Now back into other news. This is gets into today's what's news territory. Donald Trump had a terrible horrible. No good, very bad Wednesday. I the New York Times dropped the other shoe reporting that some of special counsel Robert Muller's, investigators told associates that attorney general Bill bar failed to adequately portrayed the findings of their inquiry. And that they were more troubling for Trump than Barr indicated take it away meek of new claims that members of the special counsels team feel the public was misinformed by attorney general William bars letter about their report the New York Times report. That some of Muller and Muller's investigators have told associates that bar failed to adequately portray their findings which government officials and others familiar with their frustration say we're more damaging for President Trump than indicated. Well, Barr says he needs time to make reductions the times reports that the special counsels investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report and some team members believe that bar should have included more of their material in his four page letter. But government officials say the Justice department determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material secret grand jury testimony and in for information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential. While the report says that it was not clear what the findings especial counsels. Investigators viewed as troubling for the president VAR. Sledders says that on the obstruction of Justice matter, quote, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question department declined to respond to the New York Times story, but the paper reports that attorney general bars team has its own frustrations. With Muller, according to to government officials bar and other Justice department officials believe the special counsels investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether President Trump illegally obstructed the inquiry. Well, that's true to make a decision. That's true. I didn't this is what I get for not turning down the the computer with the Skype on it. Okay. All right. Hi. Who's this? Hello. Hi. This is Kenny Kenny where are you calling from Omaha? Hawaii. Wow, lucky you. So what's on your mind candy? Oh, well, not much just. It's just a it's it's paradise. If you can afford it. Yes. I understand completely. Nuff? Sad costs are about thirty percent higher is ridiculous. They're right because nothing you're right. Everything has to be brought in right, but it is paradise. Aren't so what's on your mind today? Just wanted to say we really need to stick to our guns on this. And and get this Mueller report out and all the journalists sitting there saying that there's nothing there and all the, you know, we're we just got to get past them. I don't the journalism today is so sad all these different reporters that do nothing. But you know, parrot they be talking heads line. They do not give us the full story stenographers instead of actual journalists. Now, there are some really good journalists out there, but this Katty Kay nonsense is ridiculous. The people on morning jerk. Just horrific just horrible. So we need we need to just stay focused. Look at the big picture, stay focused on the prize, which is getting the full report out because that's the only thing that you know, the truth will set us free. Yeah. And start listening and FOX I don't know how anybody can listen to FOX anything that here. No. I hear you. I hear ya. All right. Well, thank you for calling. It's it's nice to know. We've got what what an island or are you on? The big island of Hawaii. Okay. Aloha. Aloha. Thank you, take care. Bye. Bye. All right. We got how he climbed coming up in a couple of minutes. Let me just see if there's anything anything else that I really need to to get to. And you know, it will play the actual the rest of the news at the end of the show. You know leading into the show that follows us on progressive voices. Anyway, one last story, I do want to tell you about. And this is why it's so imperative that the Democrats not only win the White House next November. But also take back the Senate Senate Republicans. Yesterday triggered the nuclear option. A change of the rules to drastically reduce the amount of time needed to confirm hundreds of Trump's district court and sub cabinet nominees. Debate time on most nominations will now go from thirty hours down to two this will allow Senate Republicans to to pick up the pace of the record mount of confirmations of Trump's picks that have already gone through while they held up all these nominations under Obama just to give credit where credit is due. Senators Susan Collins and Mike Lee are the only two Republicans who voted with Democrats against the rules change. Chat room. Peter Griffin says did anyone catch Tucker and Laura Ingraham last night? No, I don't my TV. Does not go to FOX it will on the fifteenth because I'll watch the Bernie Sanders townhall, but that's about it. Anyway, apparently, they both issued an apology to Joe Biden on their coverage. Seriously, they're against the metoo movement. So they sided with Joe. I'm telling you. We are. We are in opposite world, we really are. Nothing makes sense. That's why we've gotta keep our heads on straight. And and know that. That we're going to hold them accountable. We can't let them get away with this crap. And we have for too long. Oh god. Why does every freaking role work in their favor? I wish I knew the answer to that. All right. Maybe Howie Klein has some answers. So so let's head over to schmucky Chucky cheese, shall we? Are you a multi-national corporation hungry for retreat? We'll come on down schmucky Chucky cheese where you will personally be seated by jokes. Uber himself so many dishes, and they're all fresh. You're gonna love our blue dog special. The Dino burger because we say so a good hamburger and French fries. And Debra Berger comes with a side order of grits. I love grits. I love anything with corn. It's calling. Oh for only fifty thousand dollars wash. It all down with a thirty deady nine tenth ward or one tenth oranges after a week or two you drink this. It's two hundred calories, and it's a cedar and white beard mouth with Adissu print of glass. Steagle for dessert. Trier DNC tarts little cookies tell the quality of that most restaurants give you a minute. But at schmucky. Jackie's? You get complimentary Sweden and law who picks up the tab for all this find out now with Howie Klein of down with Tierney dot com on the Nicole Sandler show. I'll right. We get together with Howie Klein every Thursday right around this time to talk about what's going on in the world of politics, and it is election time. And so there's a lot happening. Hello how we Klein. Hey, how are you? I'm doing. Okay. I had a rough twenty four hours. Sometimes I need to know when to walk away from the Twitter's, but I'm like single handedly taking on all of the Bernie haters because they attack me when I post anything about Bernie Sanders, they come out of the woodworks to attack him. And and you know me bye. Bye. Bye. Power of sociation. I guess this this it's just history repeating again, it's the same shit different year. Yeah. Well, I mean, if I really believe that if you know them they'll go away. I know them they'd bother me. Okay. All right. I need to learn to do that. I just you know, when someone posts something, that's just blatantly untrue. I feel it's my duty. And we're so and be ability to correct them. And then I walked it pisses me off. And I just say I have to like hold myself back, you know, like one yesterday who came on my blog, and or or Twitter thing that I wrote and just completely lied. Yeah. Said Bernie of never released his tax returns, he promised. He would do it last. Probably never did it. There. It is in black and white or you do use Google, right and his tax returns that were released are on Google. You could be sorry. The Washington Post said there was the most boring white bread tax tax return that ever seen right? And yet here you've got all these conservative Democrats, mostly conservative, Democrats, establishment Democrats status quo Democrats and more than anything else. Stupid soup. It's stupid people really dumb too stupid who don't know how to use Google. Why are they on online? If they don't know how to use Google and here, she was just lying on. I think on my on my blog about how dirty never releases tax returns to. I it is a lot. But I I wanted to call her on it, let let me know. So encourage more on it's not going to do any good. Anyway, just don't encourage the right. I mean, she'll go away. That's sad though. I you know, I almost feel bad bringing this up now. But Bernie released one years of tax one year two thousand fourteen he really needs to just do it. I don't know what he's waiting for. We know there's ten years. Yeah. So so he just needs to do it already. Yeah. He will be sure. Yup. Good. Because as he should as they all should especially now as the house of representatives says officially the peanuts six years of Donald Trump's tax returns. So all the Democrats need to be above board and just release them. They didn't subpoena them. They what they there's a law. That says literally that the chairman of the House Ways and means committee can not it's not they don't have to ask Donald Trump. I. I them all you have to do is tell the head the Commissioner of the head Commissioner of the over. That's it. That's it over and which he did. And now we've I has no choice. He wants to break the law. He doesn't have to ask Donald Trump. He just has to do it just as to send them over because Richard Neal, send him a letter saying sending them over and Richard Neal can do that with any person in the United States. And that's the last right was written specifically can prevent presidents from not releasing their tax returns. Right. I hear you. Yeah. And you know, again, the whole this whole thing with Donald Trump right now, he's fighting everything he's fighting releasing the tax returns. He's fighting releasing the mole report, even though it was just a few days ago. He was saying oh release the whole thing you just release it. Now, he doesn't want it out because he. Knows that that it that it it does not exonerate him. Radim the opposite. Exactly. So I mean. He doesn't read. So, but now people who are reading in telling him this thing doesn't make you look too good. Mr President right now. Exactly. And that so now he's getting nervous, and you can see it in his tweets where he's even more deranged than usual and aside from deranged have you noticed his the deterioration in his speech patterns. Oranges. There's something really wrong with this, man. And and I don't understand why people in his party protect him up because I think they're going to add to the the the the eventual downfall this country. Hopefully, they'll it to the eventual downfall party Republican and enough this country. But you know, we'll see about that. So so I just mentioned in the news how he that. There were a couple of votes in the house this morning one was a it's it's the Bill that passed the Senate by a wide bipartisan margin. Bernie sanders. I'm sorry passed in the house today. I'm sorry. I've had some the Senate today passed in the house the measure to cut off in the house. And then the Senate change that's lightly. Now has agreed back to the house to make it the same as the Senate Bill. Gotcha. So this was this was the Rokon Bernie Sanders piece of legislation if anybody's wondering the first time in history that a War Powers resolution gets to the president's desk. Of course, the guy who said he doesn't believe in, you know, getting into other countries business is. Is you know? It is going to veto it, right? The other thing that the house did today is that they approved the revamped violence against women's act. All Democrats voted. A four it except for one one Colin Peterson college, and he was on the wrong end of a vote yesterday to that. I noticed I don't remember what it was. But on the wrong end of everything dubs into vote. He always will to the Republicans. He is in a he's in a deep red district, and he votes with the Republicans. So why do the Democrats spend millions and millions of dollars to keep him in office? You know, why why does the d triple c spend literally millions and millions of dollars to keep him in office when he boats like a Republican if he is defeated we will have a Republican in there. And and they won't be much of a difference in terms of the voting. I mean, the whip our hard is it to vote for violence against women act. How hard is that of a vote? I I it shouldn't be hard at all. And it used to be extremely partisan before you got that. Right. Who did Republicans? Thirty move raid of the reaction of women constituents then they were afraid of Trump and McCarthy, and they voted with the Democrats many great Collin Peterson one blue dog democrat and Minnesota who decides he's sticking with Trump. He waiting Trump. Why do we need him? What do we what do we spend so much money to keep him in in congress? This is going to be the same thing. They're gonna Republicans are talking to you see they're gonna go after him. The Democrats will spend between four and six million dollars on him, which that's four that's between four and six million dollars that they could be spending to elect progressives. But they're not going to they're going to do it. Try to save Collin Peterson which they probably won't be able to do. And then he'll come back. If he does if they do it. Excuse me. He'll come back to the house and keep voting Republicans. Like, he always does and always has done. And of course, not just that. But the big deal is he is he's the chairman of the House Agriculture Committee. There's no one in congress more than he is. There are others as corrupt and takes a Mensa amounts of of money and bribes from big agriculture and spreads it around among colleagues. That's why they keep him in there because he's the one that gets all the money from big I recall -ture and gives it gives it around to the other Democrats. So therefore, they think he's worth having even though we both Republicans horrible. Well, what I was saying earlier when I told the story is okay, Minnesota, go find someone to primary this guy. And I know that's breaking the new rule from the d triple now how we climb we spoke about this last week. But the divine is getting deeper I think among House Democrats with the Sherry boosts does. Wing of the party, the conservative wing of the Democratic Party, saying no primaries, if if you engage in a primary challenge to an incumbent, we will no longer work with you or support you. They're threatening them to blackballing these companies and managers and operatives who doing that. And it's not that new by the way, they've been doing for a long time. Sherry booths does wants the rubbing their noses. She made in public policy with your permission of Nancy Pelosi, and Steny Hoyer horrible from her on this. She she's she's just absolutely terrible. And to her this is part of a battle that's going on because since Crowley was defeated. And he was the next. He was next in line to be speaker. Right. Who the next to be speaker? So you know, it was supposed to be between her you know, she was anointed with. Ben, Ray Luhan, right horrible and Hakim Jeffries fairly horrible twelve then the second. But she's making this move. To get lots and lots of support and to to to consolidate the support from the Republican we of the Democratic Party first of all Luhan Luhan is out of this now because he's running for the US Senate. Right. So he will either, you know, be out of politics. Hopefully, if you lose the Senate race in a primary or he will or he'll be in the US Senator, but he's not going to be in line to become house speaker. Thank god. So that leaves between Hakim Jeffries who who is a kind of pretend progressive he's part of the progressive caucus he votes fairly. Well, he does he votes. Well, but when I was I did a story on this on my blog went up this morning at five AM, and in research for the piece I spoke to more than a dozen members of the progressive caucus and not one of them said he was the progressive that all agreed that he's not a progressive and he's pretending now. The irony of and he he's defending her. He's defending boost us on this because Pelosi laid down the party line. And it's very very specific. You're supposed to say the our our job is to protect the majority. We have a fragile majority and we have to protect it. What does that have to do with the blue district where there are no Republicans where all where the Republicans get twenty percent of the vote. No matter who it is. It doesn't matter if it's a conservative. It doesn't matter if it's a liberal it doesn't matter. It was incumbent. The democrat always wins. Republicans. Never I say never I don't mean that they would want to once in a decade. They don't ever win. Never never never these are district. Just like the Republicans have districts where Democrats never win their their these are gerrymandered district. Right. And that's the way it goes. Well, well, how is that protecting the democratic majority? If there's no if there are no primaries allowed, I mean, and then. Of course, Nancy. They don't want to address that the whole reason this happened is because these specifically Henry quasar are in Texas a movement among the blue and the new dams too. Demand that Pelosi protect them. Wow. And Pelosi boost got together, and they decided to put this thing out now boost one would like to get a leg up on Jeffrey's in terms of the race to be, you know, the anointed next speaker. So she went to all these new dams and blue dogs, and she said to them by going to protect you. I am going to make this official policy. And I'm not gonna let anybody hurt. You. Henry Henry clay, oh, by the way, is the other. He he used to be known as George Bush's favorite democrat. That's what he was formally. Now, he has the highest Trump adhesion rate of any democrat in congress. He even more than Collin Peterson. We will always Trump than any other democrat. And you know, he he doesn't want to be primarily he's in the democratic district with no Republican is going to ever win. And he's he is talk at number one for Justice Democrats for blue America, and for several other organizations who are looking for a good opponent to and he's very very aware of this. And he's petrified. And he, you know, he's the one is leading the new Dem's in the blue dogs in both organizations to demand that that they not had. They not be primary is the most democratic thing in the whole world cherry, you know. So so row kind of flipped out over this, by the way, let let me let me say something else. I don't I don't know the percentage, it's it'd be it'd be really hard for me to sit down and figure it out. I started doing it. And it was, but it was and it was I saw that it was gonna take days, and I wouldn't be able to do my writing. And but what I'm what I was trying to figure out is what percentage of Democrats who was sitting in congress now got their careers going by primaries. And when I am so so let me just take the example of Hakim Jeffries, one of these people Hakim Jeffries. Win up against in. When he when you got into politics with a young guy who's thirty years old. He had worked for corporate law firm where they're charging like six hundred and fifty dollars an hour. And he was a Wall Street guy. He could command the huge amounts of money, which he did. And he went up against a an incumbent democrat in the in the state assembly of New York, and and the, and and you know, he because he was he he lost. And probably the reason that he lost was probably two reasons one it's very hard to take out and you come into the primary and to. Excuse me to he on on the big. I think it was a TV debate. I'm pretty sure it's a TV debate it might have been a radio debate. But on the big debates in one big debate. He accused the guy out of the blue of of being up practical a practicing Muslim. And the guy said what what is this? What are you in injecting religion into this debate? And he was so furious at him. And and that's that's the reason that Jeffries was and most very badly. Then he primary the guy again two years later lost. Again. Finally, the guy decided he was going to move on and run for a congressional seat, again primary ING democratic incumbent and Jeffries got grabbed the assembly seat. He won. He became the assembly. He became a member simply, but Jeffries is so ambitious, and it drives him so you know, so strongly that he decided. That he just a few years later would primary the democratic member of congress and grab that congressional seat for himself. Now, he's now he's agreeing with cherry boost does and Nancy Pelosi and using words that Nancy has all her leadership using that, you know, we must protect the majority. Well, he knows better than anybody since. That's how he got right. Excuse me. I still have that lingering cough, and when I talk and yell they'd comes back into anyway, he knows better than anybody that that's how Democrats wind up you. It's either the incumbent dies, and you get the seat that way. You're the incumbent run for another office. We get the seat that way or you. You you primary them. That's how you do it. See that's how it works may the best man or woman win. There should be a primary in every single district every single year. I agree. Whether it's a person that we like or person that we don't like these people should be held accountable to the voters, and how will you hold somebody accountable to voter if if there's no if there's no voting I mean, when when you when you look at these blue district Allred districts, it doesn't matter, but we're talking about blue now when you're looking at these deep blue districts, these people never have to run they never have run. And yet you've got and yet there are dozens and dozens and dozens of Democrats in congress who got into congress by primary ING and incumbent, of course. And and Rokon is one of them. We talked. America of supported what we when we first met Bego. He was a musician who was running against a corrupt incumbent. We supported him in that. Now, he's running for president of the United States. And dozens and dozens and dozens of Democrats got in by by primary and then come in. And now they want to change the rules and say, no, these people were all in. Nobody else pulled up the ladder. No, more primaries. That's Nancy Pelosi is turned into. So this is a d triple c policy. Of course, Nancy Pelosi speaker of the house, and you know, he runs the Democrats. Right. But but it's up to them. It's not it's a hate to say, it's not a democratic organization. Sm- small d democratic organization, obviously, they're run by you know, top down. It's our way or the highway. So so what people need to do is stop giving money to the d triple c because they're not operating in our best interests. They're there to protect these dinosaurs. In some cases, who've been in those seats for decades who are not accountable to their constituents, and you know, their seats would be at risk if somebody challenged them. And that's that is democracy. That's that's what the name stands for. Exactly. Right. And by the way, I don't know if you this or not, but Alexandria cost. You Cortez said the same thing that you just said don't give any more money to the d triple c good for her. I I love it more and more each every time I see her or hear from her. I'm so impressed by this woman. And I believe she is the future of the point maybe not her personally. But but the energy she brings with so sorely needed in that chamber. So you got you got row. Connor you got Ted lieu, we got Jamie Raskin. There's a whole bunch of Pramilla giant Paul who's really fighting back against cherry boosts. Does. You got Mark Po-Chun? I mean there there's a bunch. There's a bunch of really good progressives. In there fighting for us. We need to really have their backs right now. Lutely. And when you say don't give money to the triple seat is another sign of that doesn't mean it's talk bright be what you what people should be doing. And certainly what I'm doing is trying to support. And and and tried to help finance is as much as we can progressive who are running against incumbents, man income is unlike. Like like, Marie Newman in Chicago is running against him. The Pinski down the terrible terrible conservative. Violently anti gay anti choice, anti everything that we like and everything that we want. I mean, I'm sitting here right now when when you call just now, I'm writing about the minimum wage, and you would think that's the one thing that all Democrats could be get behind is raising the minimum wage to fifteen dollars. Of course, not how about all the blue dogs in new Dem's. They're very very powerful. And they are now trying to say well fifty dollars is too much. It shouldn't be fifteen dollars and they're trying to cut it down. And and that's the new battleground right now that's going on in congress today right now, the the conservative Democrats, I called the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. The new Dem's of the blue dogs are in a battle with the people who you just name Pramilla giant, Paul Mark PO can. Ted lieu Alexandro Cossio some of some of these really great new freshmen Alexandria who came in for example. They are. They are trying to have a fifteen dollars minimum wage the Democrats campaigned on that. Yup. That's part of why they won they won the house back. And now you've got these conservative these conservative new dams who are standing with the Republicans seventy percent of the American people would like to see the minimum wage rise. Fifty five percent of the American people say, yes, it should be fifteen dollars. And that includes a huge amount of the debt Democrats on eighty percent of Democrats sixty percent of of of independence, even even Republicans would like to see the minimum wage for grassroots Republicans. But the Republican party and the new DEM Joe they have in common. They have the same corrupt wealthy Wall Street corporate donors, those are the ones who don't want to see the minimum wage go up, and normally you would be okay. The Democrats represent working people. They wanted to go up Republicans represent Wall Street. They don't want it to go up. That's the history of the minimum wage created, and and decreasing it. And but now you've got this new thing you've got the democrat. You've got a very very powerful democratic wing of the Republican party by either new Dem's, right? And they are. So I think the Republicans they are doing everything in their power to prevent that fifteen dollars the essay now. We'll let's compromise in some parts of the country. That's too much. Let's go ahead and raise them in California and New York if you want to which they already have, but you know, when it comes to Alabama. I mean women who's who's doing? This is the woman in Alabama and named Terry Soule Terry's tools corruption onto feet, she is an African American new DEM who who is who has a district. That's sixty five percent African American. It's the four hundred thirty first poorest district at a formula thirty five you think maybe her 'cause veterans would like to see a fifteen dollars minimum wage wh-. What do you think I think this is? Thank or is this Trix in the country might help those cheese leading the battle against raising the minimum. She's saying, you know, let California do it. But in Alabama. Yeah. Hey, you know, let's keep it like, you know, win or no seven dollars because right now, the state of Alabama, you know, what the minimum wages. They don't have a minimum wage. You. Neither does Mississippi Louisiana. You can you know, what these days have in common? Right, Tennessee minimum wage deep south. You look at the South Carolina. No minimum wage. I mean, no, they don't have a minimum wage at all. Wow. Wow. By the way, speaking of Alabama. Did you hear the latest news that Matt gaetz Florida who he's in the Pensacola area? He's thinking about the Alabama floor. It's lower Alabama. Right. And he's thinking about crossing over into Alabama to run for Senate. That'd be awesome. Yeah. It would be great get him out of Florida. I we could we can use fewer Matt gaetz is here in Florida up. So how do you know what in the minute or so we have left minute and a half or so? Have a lot of people checking out the show for the first time we were talking about not giving money to the d triple c instead giving them to the candidates directly or going through a group like the blue America Pac. This is a great time to once again because we do this every now and again talk about blue America. How you find the candidates who who it is? You support you vet you support and help them raise money, right? This just keep it to primaries right now. 'cause it's because that's as we're working on. So we we have a we have a page which is called primary a blue dog. And on that page are strictly progressive candidates who are who are going up against the party now more than ever to to replace people like damn Lipinski. So we where supporting marine Newman than that in that instance. And you know, yes, it's very very hard to find people to do that who have the strength of character. And who believe in the believe in the same principles that we believe in like raising the minimum wage to a livable wage like Medicare for all like the green new deal. I mean, those are the kinds of candidates looking for another woman who were trying to help who's running is even puts over in in Arizona's I is fixing district where the biggest city is flake staff. She was Bernie Sanders delegate to the convention. She you know, she was a city council person. Who personally led the led the fight in Arizona. Four to increase the minimum wage in her air in flagstaff itself. The minimum wage is already fifteen dollars. Thanks to her. And she's smart enough to understand that people who who don't get covered by the minimum wage. The same way tipped workers in other words, wait waiters and waitresses that they needed also to be covered. And she also led the fight successful you to do that. And when the coke brothers came in and tried to overturn her her initiative she passed the initiative they came in and tried to overturn she fought them again and won. So that's and that people like that are the people that we we find and support to run for congress the guy she's running for was Republican state legislator. He got into some kind of fight with the Republican party. Always some bull. Shit and he became an independent and then suddenly when a congressional seat opened up. He said, oh, you know, what I'm democrat changes party due to d and and his and ran the blue dog Democrats with the complete support of the d triple c and now he's in congress voting with the Republicans because that's what he is. Wow. Wow. Running against them. You know, a progressive Bernie supporter, and she's got a good shot. She's she's a great candidate. And we're doing what we can't to help raise money, especially now that Pelosi and boost does are doing everything they can to sabotage our. They're all Pelosi already sending out fundraising letters for this guy who I'm talking about Tom O'Halloran, the Republican pretending to be a democrat. Unbelievable. Well, I will put a link on my blog to that page that that blue America page. It's also linked at down with tyranny dot com where you can read all of how he's posts and. And talk about what you know what we've been talking about here. Howie Klein with that. We're we're out of time again for for Thursday. Thank you. I know it always does I'll talk to you next week. We'll take care, and you I'll see you tomorrow, our friend Bob can Cade from West Virginia and the head on radio network will be here. He actually had a victory of sorts in congress yesterday. We'll tell you all about it tomorrow.

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Michael Cohen's CAPTIVATING Congress Testimony

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Michael Cohen's CAPTIVATING Congress Testimony

"Hey, guys, you've heard of the young Turks podcast because you're listening to right now. But make sure they use subscribe and give it a five star rating. If you like it. Thank you for listening. Day mazing day. Okay. Not that amazing. No Suber amazing agree to disagree already having fun. Okay. So disagree on that as well. Okay. This is a debate and having fun. Apparently. That's the one thing that okay? Michael Cohen testimony. We're going to blow it out of the water. We got all of it for you guys. Not all it was a lot but the most relevant parts, including. Is what Donald Trump did illegal. But I warn you. There are twists and turns in that story. Okay. So we're going to get to that. I then row Connolly's out the criminal part of the criminal case against Donald Trump perfectly and Donald Trump junior, which leads the Varna mind prediction about why Trump's gonna leave all my. That's why. And I might not be in a good mood because he's going to Bill one hundred dollars. Okay. Trump leaves office early. I had any reason to believe that you would not end up owing me that money, and that would be in a much better mood if Trump's leave off. So I hear you on that. All right. And then there's the issue of race of I got a quoted by black Twitter. And I feel pretty proud about that such a good mood like noxious sleep. No, no, no, the one who go in this one. He was amazed main reason why I'm gonna good mood. My mood almost one hundred percent directed by the stories. Okay. And then and then we got a lot more for you guys. As we go, by the way in the third hour of the program today where we do the conversation which yes used to be my jersey shore nickname. I have mainstream media reporter who wrote about liberals being too liberal and vitriolic on Twitter that ought to be an interesting conversation. So don't miss a minute of the show. All I know good way. You cannot miss a minute of the show. If you remember you get anytime time you wanted to IT dot com slash join casper, go. All right. Michael Cohen has been testifying before the house of representatives. And this testimony has been happening all day long. But we're going to give you the most relevant parts of it. Now it began with Michael Cohen statement. But more importantly, some of the issues that he's decided to shine a light on which could lead to legal ramifications for Donald Trump's no additional information more information than we already knew. So first, let's start off with the hush money payments. This is not about Russia. This is about the hush money payments. That were given to women like stormy Daniels, for instance to. Basically refrain from sharing information about their affairs with the public. Now here is the first part of Cone's testimony on that. I can 2017 when actually apologizing twenty sixteen prior to the election. I was. Contacted by Keith Davidson, who is the attorney or was the attorney from Mr. Clifford for stormy Daniels and after several rounds of conversations with him about purchasing her life rights for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars when I did each and every time is go straight into Mr. Trump's office and discussed the issue with him when it was ultimately determined. This was days before the election that Mr. Trump was going to pay the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. In the office. With me was Allen Weisselberg. The chief financial officer of the Trump organization. He knowledge to Allen that he was going to pay the hundred and thirty thousand and that Allen, I should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. So yes, sir. I stand by the statement that I gave. But there was a history to it. So this is all about the reimbursement. Because remember Michael Cohen paid that one hundred thirty thousand dollars to stormy Daniels up front, and then this conversation is all about how the Trump camp is going to reimburse Michael Cohen for that money. So let me bring you down this way, John Farrell, and I had this conversation as we were covering the hearings live, and by the way, anytime there's a major political event like this. You should always check out our play-by-play at TY T dot com slash live. Okay. So there's three main components to how you should think about the different criminal cases that are potential against Donald Trump. What is collusion with the Russians before the elections? So that would involve the crime of conspiracy and possible campaign, finance violations, etc. Then there is I actually am the most skeptical about that part. So we'll talk about it at length in a little bit. But then there's collusion with the Russians after the elections, which I think is. Far more likely, I'm afraid Muller might not have investigated that as thoroughly as he needs to. But then there's a third category. Look the second category after the election. Trump is really taking notes from the Russians on what to do with our foreign policy is absolutely explosive. That would be the worst of the worst. And I believe that is what happened. But again put that aside for now the third category is other crimes not having to do with collusion with the Russians at all. Okay. And there's a huge list laundry lists there, but the most important one is the one we're talking about here, the hush money, or is Rashid to lead called it later in her part of the hearings bribe money because that is it's just a bribe her to not talk about their affair because it was days before the election, and they didn't want it. There fact election. Now, the reason why that's the most important is because that is the one we have the clearest evidence on at this point with this testimony that you're watching it's I mean, I know it sounds bold to say. But it really isn't both. It's an open and shut case. It is an open and shut case. And there is evidence beyond what Cohen is saying to prove that this is an open and shut case. And so we're going to provide that evidence for you in just a minute. Now Representative Cummings was part of the questioning when it came to this issue. And so what you're about to see is the evidence that Michael Cohen had provided to show that he'd been reimbursed for that hush money and how he had been reimbursed. So let's take a look at the video that explains all of that. Can you tell me who signed this check? I believe that the top signature is Donald Trump junior and the bottom signature, I believe is Alan Weisselberg 's. And can you tell me the data that checks? March seventeenth of twenty seventeen. Now. Wait a minute. Hold on. The data on the check is after President Trump held his big press conference claiming that he gave up control of his businesses. How could the president ever range for you to get this day if he was supposedly playing no role in his business? Because the payments were designed to be paid over the course of twelve months, and it was. Declared to be a retainer for services that would be provided for the year. Okay. That was one of my favorite parts of the whole day. When Representative logic Cummings was like, wait, wait, wait a minute. Hold on now. Hold on. Okay. Save a seat for me. Okay. Okay. So why is this important? It's because my who cones got receipts literal in this case check clear documented evidence that backs up what he's saying. He we already have his testimony saying, yes, I paid that bribe to make sure that stormy Daniels did not talk before the election. It was definitely about the election. I the hundred and thirty thousand dollars so that is a violation on several grounds. One is someone giving above fifty four hundred dollars is an in kind contribution. That is clearly illegal. That's Michael Cohen, contributing to Donald Trump's campaign way above what is legally allowed. Then Donald Trump confirms that by paying him back, and you have all of these checks while he's president. And and so on top of that the guy that was his name was mentioned throughout the hearings. But that the press over. Rose not talking enough about. And that's why slow Burt. Okay. So that's Trump's money man in the Trump organization, he signs all the checks. He knows where. What comes in? What goes out? He has all the information and he is cooperating with prosecutors. So the Trump team here's what I say to you. Why? So bergh's straight ahead. Okay. So you're about the running of that Weisselberg, and that is three different things that confirm Michael Kohn side of the story clearly illegal and clearly provable. So, but there's more, but those more as you can tell from that last clip that we showed you Elisha coming showed the check that was signed by Trump's son. But what you're about to see has Trump's fingerprints all over it. Donald Trump's fingerprints all over it. Take a look now, here's another one this one appears to be signed by Donald Trump. Himself is that that is Donald Trump signature. So let me make sure I understand Donald Trump wrote you a check out of his personal account while he was serving as president of the United States of America to reimburse you for hush money payments. Timothy Clifford is that what you are telling the American people today. Yes. Mr chairman. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Okay. So more COSCO's is from this. The first check is signed by Donald Trump junior. Oh spaghetti O's. That means sons on the hook. Okay. So now, remember my theory is to why Donald Trump's gonna resign eventually because not only are they going to have overwhelming evidence on him. But they are going to have overwhelming evidence on some of his kids. And here we go juniors now clearly on the hook. Then the second check is signed by Trump himself. So they're both totally on the hook and later, ro Khanna, and we'll show you that in its entirety later in the program shows, why this would also be criminal fraud by the Trump organization to be putting together checks and giving it to Michael Cohen under false pretenses because they said it was for legal services, and Michael Cohen made very clear that it was not for legal services. It was for the hush money. So it's illegal onto different counts. Keeps popping into my head. As this testimony goes on is the fact that Donald Trump in reference to Michael Cohen cooperating with the authorities referred to Cohen as a rat, and that's relevant because why would you refer to someone as a rat. Unless they're outing you to the feds or they're out in you to the authorities. They're giving the cops the information about you and your mob. Right. So a you read my mind slash tweets, virtually I didn't. Early earlier today. I tweeted the whole day reminded me of a capo testifying against the mafia, boss and similar language was used similar talk of conspiracies, etc. And guys if you didn't do anything wrong. Okay. They accuse you of something random if somebody gives false testimony against who first of all you'd be perplexed. You'd be like what we we did not rob that Bank. What what on God's green are you talking about? But you wouldn't call the guy a rat. Right. Because that implies you did do it. And he ratted you out Trump is so stupid. He is he's monumentally stupid. And that was another part of my thesis. The why he's not gonna make it because he's too stupid to cover things up. Okay. So look before we continue on with some of the other potential consequences of this testimony for Trump. I just want to make clear that overall it was very obvious that Republicans do not care. Care about the crimes that he's committed the potential crimes committed Republicans have no interest in holding Donald Trump accountable. And so in order for your predictions, come to fruition you would need a Republican party that does not consist of brownshirts. And right now, we have a Republican party that consists almost solely of brownshirts who will support Trump who will back Trump even at the expense of our democracy at the expense of the American people. I mean, they had absolutely no interest in holding Trump accountable. And you're going to see that as we show you more and more clips, I hear you one tiny footnote to that is I wash all testimony all together with you guys a whole day, right? As we covered it and in just in a marshalls. He voted with them, very classic Republican move. Okay. And he's a he's eccentric. He's different. He is more right wing. A lot of cases than the rest of the Republicans, but sometimes shows flashes oppressive. And he did not play the same political games as the rest of the Republicans. He actually asked interesting different questions, and that was really surprised by it. So but us. Russia to save us. No, no, no, no. That's fair in it. And and even if he were to do the right thing, it's only one guy or and you could put pull in Walter Jones is other huge right-winger, but has principles maybe you can cobble together. A couple of honest Republicans, but ain't going to do the job. Right. And we don't need him in the house. We need them in the Senate. But overall, no at the end of the day, the political the Republicans would have to decide the political damage done to their career by supporting Donald Trump would be greater than the political damage done by not supporting Donald's. That's what would drive them. Right. Yeah. Own personal gain or their own. That's one hundred percent not I know insurance of their constituents or the American people or Justice system. They don't care about that at all. They're not leaders. They're not interested in actually representing the people who voted them into office. All they care about is their own political careers, and that's pretty damn pathetic is so last point on that issue is that guys that we show you the clear illegal actions of Donald. Trump even his own lawyer today came out and said, well, even if all of that is true, you can't indicted sitting president. Now think about what a terrible defense that is like my client might be a criminal. But you're not allowed to indict him because he's the sitting president. I mean, if they're resorting to that ad is horrific, but all this stuff is already playing an obvious. And in in the public record. This goes to Anna's point and the Republicans still have not backed away from don't get me wrong. The criminality is not something that's going to dissuade Republicans from supporting someone sported, plenty of criminals. Right. No. It's if the American people become convinced that the evidence is irrefutable. And then independence leave him completely. And some portion of Republicans go a bridge too far cannot take it now, and you could be fairly skeptical about whether that would ever happen with Republican voters, and that would happen have to happen either with Republican voters or all the Republican donors for the Republican. Titians to go. All right each act. Right. But that is where we're headed here because this illegal easy is irrefutable. So I think that's the part of the testimony. That was pretty clear when it comes to illegality. Let's get to things that aren't so clear, and that's the issue of Russia. So during Michael Cohen's testimony before the house of representatives the issue involving Roger stone and WikiLeaks came up. In fact, according to the New York Times Cohen described a moment when he said Roger stone, one of Trump's top political operatives called the president to tell him about a conversation with WikiLeaks, founder, Julian Assange, and I want to show you a portion of that testimony. Take a quick look, Mr. Trump new from Roger stone in advance about the Wiki leaks drop of emails in July of twenty sixteen days before the democratic convention. I was in Mr. Trump's office. When his secretary announced the Roger stone was on the phone. Mr. Trump, Mr. stone on the speakerphone, Mr. stone told Mr. Trump that he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange, and that Mr. Stange told Mr. stone that within a couple of days, there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton's campaign. Mr. Trump responded by stating to the effect when that be great. So I want to jump in before you jump in. I want to jump in not with my opinion. But what legal experts are saying about that portion of the testimony is that likely to get Donald Trump in trouble. And it appears based on what legal experts are saying is there's got to be a lot more proven for Trump to get in trouble for this. So prosecutors would have to prove that Trump and the campaign actively engaged in coordinating with Russians to distribute the documents or took other actions to affect the outcome of the election. So that alone is not enough to incriminate Trump. Yes. So before you have this. Here's part, look, I'm a grown, man. But sometimes I'm still a child. So first of all he's from New York. So it's his accent doesn't mean anything. But it does add to the ambiance really and one of our viewers while we're covering it live. Tweeted out about like, you just need some dramatic music in the background is he's testifying. And I ended a cannoli, right? Okay. So anyways, he's a Mr. Rogers stole comes in. And he says this on the phone, right? Roger stone online one. All right. Okay. And then he then he says there's going to be a mess of dump coming. Anyway. But. So now this series stuff. Now, I don't know that there is someone in the country that wants Roger stone Donald Trump to go away more than I do. A little bit personal as well when it comes to Roger stone. Okay. Having said that our job is to cover the news and to be fair and objective. Okay. We have a perspective. But we're objective about the facts. I don't think that's enough. I don't think that that's poofs collusion. In fact, an argument could be made that it's the opposite. So let me explain. So. If Roger stone has information that Wiki leaks is going to publish the information. Well, wait a minute. And he tells Donald Trump and Donald Trump's excited. If Trump was already cluding with the Russians. Why would he be excited? Wouldn't you already? Have that information? Why does he need WikiLeaks a little bit of a Star Trek moment? Why does God need a spaceship? Right. So why would he need WikiLeaks? If he's already working with the Russians. And so why would Roger stone have to go out of his way to try to find the information from WikiLeaks? Now, I know what some Democrats are saying they're saying, no. But if we leaks worked with the Russians to get the stolen in formation, and then the Trump campaigned through Roger stone is coordinating with WikiLeaks. Well, now, we get to the quick question. What do you mean by coordinating? Right. Because it appears they says they're relatively surprised by the news. They didn't take part in getting the emails in the first place that almost seems pretty pretty definitive, right? Then the one thing that the Democrats in this case have to hang their hat on. And it's a good one is Wiki leaks. Dumps the emails if you will a couple hours after the access Hollywood tape hits that, you know, there are no coincidences that large that is clearly meant to help Donald Trump. Right. And question is did Donald Trump conspire or work with WikiLeaks in the timing of that dump and you have to prove that? I mean, an argument can be made that Julian Assange who was very clear in not wanting Hillary Clinton to get elected for obvious reasons. She wanted to go after him for all the other leaks that he had published, but you know, he might have just decided Ono this access Hollywood tape is really gonna hurt. Trump. Let me go ahead and dump this now so all the attention can be paid to the Email dump as opposed to the access Hollywood tape. Who knows he could have done it on his own. That's what I'm trying to argue. And the point is we don't yet have that information. So if you if you have information that says Trump once he found out about the emails worked with we. Leaks or more importantly the Russians to coordinate when the emails come out to help his campaign. Yes, then that would be a act of criminal conspiracy, which is colloquially referred to as collusion. Right. But there's a lot to prove in their you'd have to prove that Trump told them Wendy, go out with that information. It have to prove that he's working with WikiLeaks. And then he knows we could lease are working with the Russians. And and I'd be surprised. Okay. So now, the more likely scenario is whether it's Russians in coordination with WikiLeaks, or we can leaks just by itself. Neither one of them want Hillary Clinton to be president. That's absolutely clear. Right. So when the damaging information for Trump hits, they hit the press spun Trump's ecstatic, but he didn't necessarily direct them to do that. So one other thing that I wanted to mention was what Cohen had to say about the negotiations pertaining to Trump Tower in Moscow. Take a look I lied to congress with Mr. Trump stop negotiating the Moscow tower project in Russia. Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. That's not how he operates. In conversations we had during the campaign at the same time. I was actively negotiating in Russia for him. He would look me in the eye and tell me there's no Russian business, and then go on to lie to the American people by saying the same thing in his way, he was telling me to lie you need to know that Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the Moscow tower negotiations before I gave it to be clear. Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. So now, this is a different crime lying to federal investigators. So there are three different people. That are implicated here. I is Roger stone. He seems to have clearly lied to prosecutors about. His conversations with WikiLeaks. And so he could be he is in massive trouble for that. And he has been already arrested for that. We'll get the Trump and his second. I just I wanna make a quick comment about Roger stone and the incriminating evidence against him in this case. My only comment is. That's it. Now, the thing is it appears that Roger stone is covering up something political as opposed to something illegal, and we don't know for sure there's more evidence to come out. But it looks like he just didn't want people to know that they were coordinating with WikiLeaks. And so he he appeared to have lied to the prosecutors now that's a crime in and of itself now Saturday for you Roger stone, you shouldn't have committed that crime. And so that you could go to jail for and I hope you do. And so that was your choice align, but that's his MO. That's always ever done his entire political career is li- li- li-. So the fact that he got busted on it is wonderful, even if the underlying issue of coordinating with the Russians is not the case, it doesn't matter. Lying is still a crime under that circumstance. Now, we already know Michael Cohen light, and he's going to prison for it. He lied to congress. Now that leads to Donald Trump the third person. So here the Republicans can say, well, technically dollar. Trump didn't say to Michael Kohn. I want you to go lie in front of congress about my dealings in this case with the Russians for Trump Tower in Moscow now, the Trump Tower Moscow deals in my opinion of bigger deal than the emails because that is where according to Michael choas testimony and logic and business dealings overall Trump stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars by working partly with the Russian government. They needed permission from the Russian government to build that. Now that is a mother lode. Okay. That would be here. A foreign government is going to pay a guy who's going to be president a lot of money. And then that candidate is doing them favors. That's a significant issue. But even if you don't get to that issue if you lie about that. Well, then you're going to be in trouble. And there's two different lies that Trump can get in trouble for remember. He. Answered written questions by Muller. So he has handed in written testimony. Now, of course, his lawyers didn't want him to go talk to mother because he'd lie about three times a minute, and he'd immediately be massive trouble for lying and obstruction of Justice. Right. I think that they were worried that he would unwittingly admit to crimes that he's committed. Of course, like he has in the past on national television. Right. So, but so they had they took a long time. They were very careful with it. And they wrote out the answer some questions, but if he wrote that the they had stopped talking to the Russians about the Trump Tower deal Moscow back in January, which was the original lie that Cohen gave to congress. Well Cohen now says that is not true. We definitely talk to them all the way through June at a minimum. Okay. And now, there's remember Weisselberg. The finance guy for Trump organization. He could back that up. So if he backs that up well, ladies and gentlemen, you got him. So that's lying to federal prosecutors and obstruction of Justice because your intent in lying is so that they don't uncover the hundreds of millions of dollars at a foreign government might give you which was the heart of the investigation for Muller in the first place. Right. But there's one last legal issue here. If Trump directed Michael Cohen delighted, congress that would be another criminal act. Now, the vogue is as I was saying we could technically say, well, he didn't say the words Michael Cohen. Hey, Michael, I want you to go in front of congress and make sure you lie to them. But that's prosecutors don't need that level of specificity. So this happens all the time in the case of the mob. So the the mob boss does not tell us capo. Hey, Michael, go out and murder that guy put three bullets in his head. And I'm the one ordering it. Okay. So my boss is do that. Sometimes they did. But if they're pretty stupid, right? But more often what happens is they would say something like this. Well, it would be nice if he wasn't around anymore. Okay. Now, that's not that complicated. Right. And so prosecutors use that as evidence that they directed that action. Even though they didn't say to kill him. Right. And people get convicted on that all the time. So now, if Trump did what Cohen says he did which is now Michael, you know, as they are doing negotiating a deal at that. Same exact time as Colin just testified. You just saw he says, hey, Michael, we're not negotiating a deal with the Russians. Right. As Michael cones about to go testify in front of congress that would be NS since directing him to light to congress. He doesn't have to say any magic words in any magic order as long as it is clear. His intent is clear. To the jury. Right. And but intent is the important part of that argument. So they would have to prove intent if he didn't directly ask IDO, but remember guys. So in this case, if you've got a guy who says Michael lists, go get that deal done with the Russians. Oh, you're about to testify to congress. Remember, Michael, we don't have a deal with the Russians and we're not working on one. Now, it's not that hard to prove intend to any reasonable person. All right. We'll see how that goes. Now, there were a number of wonderful, progressive representatives who asked questions, and we're gonna get to that. When we come back from our break. Yes, I think ro Khanna on the criminality on one particular shoot just hits it out of the part. You got to see that. And every time I see those just Democrats and you saw it a nice shot for a second. I guess so excited they're in the house. Donald look bad news for you there in the house are we'll be right back. I'm back in the young Turks just high for a couple of quick ones. And they're all fun. Well or important these are all from the member section TY dot com slash joined to become a member. I am the Batman writes in take Nick, boom, say Jake say it, okay? Look I wanna get excited. But again, you need Republicans who want to do the right thing. Okay. Let's let's see. What happens? We'll see what else jet. Fifty-three says being Jiang is such a good mood old school tonight. Should be Superfund agreed TY T dot com slash joined to watch old school live and get the whole show benefits of membership. And speaking of which so somebody wrote in about the post game yesterday a lot of people wrote in about the post game yesterday just read one quick one. That's of course, that's the last half hour of the young Turks. And that's for just the members. Okay. Make he sees is said anti you upset yesterday had me in tears, please do not ever give up. It's people like you. And all the other young outspoken women who give me hope you're all fighting as we did over half a century ago. And although we made some strides. Some things seem much worse. Now, I see a younger much younger mean all of you. So please keep up the good fight. So so many are depending on all of you. Well, McGee I want to. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sending us that message. Thank you to everyone. Who's a member who reached out yesterday? Yes. You know post game is where I think you guys get who we are. Sincerely, who we are are often selves. But I feel like sometimes the members only post game I can kind of let loose even more and that certainly happened yesterday. And I'm almost a little embarrassed by it because I feel like I got to be professional all the time, and, you know, be strong, but some days are really tough. And I really want to give you guys all the love in the world for not judging me for that. So. I don't I don't agree. Like, I don't think that it's unprofessional at all. We're real people. Okay. So anyway, look today's a good day to sign up to get all of our because John, and I had a wonderful conversation about. All the hearings, etc. So it you can do it for free for a week just to try TY dot com slash Trump. Okay. I'll do Rokon. All right. Okay. So ro Khanna is one of the best progressives in congress, and now normally talks about policy, and he's been a great fighter in increasing wages at WalMart, Amazon, etc. In stopping the atrocity in Yemen, and our participation in it in this case. He's also on the oversight committee. And so he got the question. Michael Cohen now, Mike Cohn talked about the hush money payments or the bribe payments to stormy Daniels to get her to not talk before the election clearly directly related to the campaign. So that is a huge legal issue for Donald Trump. In fact, it's such a big legal shoot that Michael Cohen is going to prison for that exact issue and his co conspirator is Donald Trump but row Khanna did not focus as much on the campaign finance violation. Shen which is Michael Cohen giving that money to the campaign in in-kind contribution of one hundred thirty thousand dollars, which is way above the maximum of five thousand four hundred and clearly illegal and people have definitely gone to prison for exactly that violation and code is going to prison for it. But there was one other part about how cone got paid back with checks from the Trump organization that kind of focused on I think now is a longer clip. It's almost as entire four minutes here. Right. That he that he questioned cone. But I'm we're playing it for you guys in its entirety because I think it's this positive on the illegal actions taken by the Trump organization. So it was as good as you're going to get in in questioning a witness. Let's watch you provided this committee with a check from president Donald J Trump's revoke -able trust account, which is marked as exhibit five. It is a check for thirty five thousand dollars, and it is dated March seventeenth two thousand seventeen. After the president took office. It's right now on the screen, you see it, sir. Yes, sir to be clear that Trump provoke -able. Trust is the trust the president said up to hold his assets after he became president. Is that correct? I believe so do you know why you were paid from the trust as opposed to the president's personal account? I don't know the answer to that. Did you think it was odd that he paid you once from his personal account, and then he's paying you through the scheme of trust? I'll be honest. I was just had to get the check today. You testified that the check was signed by Donald Trump junior and the Trump organization CFO, Ellen Weisselberg is that correct? That is correct. According to the criminal charges against you. You sent monthly invoices containing false information to an individual identified as executive one Weisselberg is executive one, correct? Yes. The criminal charge against you. Then states that executive one forwarded your invoice to someone referred to as executive to presumably Donald Trump junior who signing this check is executive to correct. I believe so. Prosecutors laid out in their criminal charges payments like this check resulted in numerous false statements in the books and records of the Trump organization, and it's important for the public to understand. There's nothing to do with conclude collusion. This is financial fraud garden variety Friday fraud, it was disguised as a payment for legal services to you. But this was not a payment for legal services wasn't Mr. cone. No, sir. It could give rise to serious state and federal criminal liability. If a corporation is cooking gets books based on your testimony today, Donald Trump junior and Alan Weisselberg directed this payment to you and approve this payment is that right? Mr. Trump, initially knowledged, the obligation the debt myself and Allen Weisselberg went back to his office. And I was instructed by Alan at the time that they were going to do this over twelve installments. And what he decided to do. Then was to have me send an invoice in which case they can have a check cut. And then yes, the answer would be yes. To your to your Donald Trump junior obviously signed off on this. It was it would either be Eric Trump, Donald Trump junior, and or Alan Weisselberg, but always island Weisselberg on the check, and you think executive to is Donald Trump junior. Yes, they knew that this payment. Whereas false and illegal. Correct. I can't make that conclusion you told Representative Kelly that the president was aware of this game. Is that correct? That's correct. I just want the American public to understand the explosive nature, if your terrorist testimony in this document, are you telling us mister Cohen that the president directed transportations in conspiracy with Allen Weisselberg and his son Donald Trump junior as part of a civil criminal as part of a criminal conspiracy, a financial fraud is that your testimony today. Yes. And do you know if this criminal financial scheme that the president Ellen Weisselberg and Donald Trump junior are involved in is being investigated by the southern district of New York? I'd rather not discuss that question because it could be part of a investigations currently ongoing, but I just want the American public to understand that it's only apart from Bob Muller's investigation. There is garden variety financial fraud and your allegation and the explosive smoking gun documents suggest that the president is son in a CFO maybe involved in a criminal conspiracy. And isn't it true? Mr. Cohen that this criminal conspiracy that involved four people that there's only one person so far who suffered the repercussions. And that's why you're in jail. Be going to jail. Yes. Three other people who were equally involved in this conspiracy. True. It is true. All right, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. Okay now. Wait a minute. Something just hit me right now. So you would need Republicans to act on Donald Trump right for him to be broken changes is, but that's not necessarily the case when it comes to sun exactly they need. You know, how this show by Donald Trump junior by okay? So that is why say that at some point Trump's going to step down because they got him. They got us kids. Okay. Because they're all knuckleheads. One of my one of my favorite parts of the testimony was when Michael Cohen said that Donald Trump senior thought that Donald Trump junior had literally the worst judgment in the country. Yes. Just watching you and John cover that live, and you has bursting into laughter. Okay. If Donald Trump thinks you're stupid. Wow. Okay. So look other super important parts of that. First of all, it's not just the campaign finance volley violations. It is finance fraud. When you know that you are saying your books that this check is for a specific reason. And it is not an is for another activity. Let alone the fact that it is for a criminal intent that you're sending that check. But he's financial fraud either way. Okay. Number two, super important. Not just federal but had violates state laws as well. So you cannot pardon someone as president for violations of state law. Bye bye tick tick tick, tick tick, okay? Oh, seeing junior an orange jumpsuit is going to be awesome. Okay. Now. I know, you know, but by the way, if he that's it's not going to happen because he's going to resign. And they're going to make a deal is my guess. Okay. But let's keep going on the facts. So when he says, do you know if the southern district of New York is looking into this. And he says I can't come in. I was like, yes, they are looking into it. Why Berg straight ahead? Okay. Now, they're gonna wanna not wasteful because he's already cooperating with prosecutors. And he knows where the bodies are buried, and you have two witnesses then n receipts. You've got the checks. You've got Michael Cohen, and you got Weisselberg. So when Donald Trump junior goes, well, let me. You do. Okay. That's not going to help them much because they got him dead to rights. Let alone Trump who orchestrated in the first one. Could you imagine if junior flipped on his dad? I can't imagine that. All right. So because again, you can't pardon on state charges. So he'd be going to prison. Okay. So let's see what happens, but those are devastating and row. Khanna was right. You saw part of it there. But he said a couple of times in the beginning in the end some parts that you didn't see look this is explosive and we and he was right to focus people's attention on clearly provable crimes. Okay. And the prosecutors already looking into and he said the checks are the smoking gun. They are you can you know, the whole day the Republicans sat there well cone. I mean, you already admitted to lying. That's where you're going to jail. So we don't trust you. Right. All right. Yeah. But who did he lie on behalf of who? Did he lie with? So they're like, well, you know, I can't believe that, you know, you're just honest in an obvious criminal for ten years. Then why did Donald Trump hire him? If it's such a it was so obvious that he's a liar and a criminal, by the way. That's why Donald Trump hired him. Because sometimes you don't need. A criminal lawyer you need a criminal lawyer. Okay. So when you put all that together, the Trump families in a world of hurt. Now. Remember, there's a lot of different crimes we talked about today. Some are very provable. Like, the campaign finance violations with always money some are much harder poof, like Khalid collusion before the election with the Russian specifically very hard to prove. Okay. But don't lose focus and the financial fraud is the easiest approve and a very serious crime. Nice five. Take take take. Okay. Now, I get why you're such a good mood. And come on guys look at this, man. Look, this is an aside. But. Who busted him up the worst today row Khanna, Rasheed? It till Leib how we're going to get to that. Yes. And and so because Cortez did a great job. I had a good job. But and others did too. I'm not trying to take away credit from anyone. There's a lot of folks who did very good questioning. But the progressive there giants their giants. There was a hundred congressmen apiece. Absolutely. Because they're doing their jobs. Yes. It's kind of nice to see members of the house doing their jobs. You remember, I'm so you obviously do some of you won't Rokon came on here. What about two years ago, and he was the first one to declare that he's a Justice democrat. And I asked them will you be our champion. And he said, yes. Okay. And there's our champion right there. Boston them up all day long. Let's take a quick break. When we come back. We will have that Rashida to leap portion of the question answer. And we're also going to go into what Mark meadows did in using a black woman as a prop in the middle of the testimony. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more Seuss of content while supporting independent media become a member a TY T dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this free set. All right back on the young Turks Jenkin, Anna when you guys member section comments, Odom writes in look at jank asking you wrote a beer champion like he's Tyrian Lancaster over your LL. Jimmy LL. Stephen writes in I want my congressman to call out and fight racism like Rashida to Leib. Unfortunately, I just have a congressman who is a racist. Doug lambourn? Okay. So that's evens. Steve is opinion. And we're going to get to the clip in one second here. Meli bitch writes, it on Twitter even of junior tried to flip on his that. He'd find a way to mess that up to probably that'd be fun. And just politics says, Anna progressives versus everyone is our new unfortunate truth. That's true. Yes. I hear you progressives. Everybody, by the way is a t shirt we have we thought a head on shop TY T dot com. So check that out. Okay. And look tomorrow. Third segment is going to be just for the members. We do this. Because members make this show possible literally could not do it without you. Okay. So and we need to give extra at center for the members. So, but you can try it out for free TY T dot com slash trial for a week of membership. And then see if you like it. And so we'll do a little bit more of that tomorrow. And we've got a great post game with me and John today. Don't miss that. We got an old school tonight with me, and Ben that should be on fire as well members get everything I and you get all the shows that including post game that nobody. Else gets and all of those school that nobody else gets. Okay. Anna. Go ahead. During Michael Cohen's testimony in front of the house Representative Mark meadows, who's a Republican from South Carolina made it abundantly clear that he is a Trump loyalist, in fact, one of the accusations or the claims made by Michael Cohen is that Donald Trump is a conman. And then he is a racist. So in response to that Representative meadows decided it would be a great idea to use someone as a prop take a look. Just so do I asked land to come today in her personal capacity to actually shed some light? How long have you known this, Pat, I'm responsible for link patent joining the Trump organization and the job that she currently holds. Well, that's I'm glad you acknowledge that because you made some very demeaning comments about the president that MS Patton doesn't agree with. In fact, it has to do with your claim of racism. She says that as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama that there is no way that she would work for for an individual. Who was racist? How do you reconcile the two of those mis neither should I as the son of a holocaust survivor? Okay. So there's a lot of things that I saw as we were coming out alive. We media jumped in and said, oh my God. He's using an African American woman is a prob she's not allowed to talk. She just stands there. And so one how disempowering that is how embarrassing that is to be used as a literal like like literal. But and I feel terrible for Lynn pen. I know she works for the Trump organization. We'll tell you how she got there in the first place. I know I hear you. But it's deeply embarrassing and shameful, but mainly for Mark meadows. And the fact that he doesn't get it. He's doing a little this is the second part literal. Some of my best friends are black. Look look at this. When I brought up here, but she's not allowed to talk right now. He's doing it vicariously. I in a sense four Donald Trump. But no that does not prove your point at all. It doesn't prove your point. Because look Michael Cohen who would know probably just. As well. As the American people know based on Trump's overt racism that Trump is a racist. Right. And so Trump has been employed ING undocumented, you know, Latin American women men like his entire career. Right. And then he turns around and he says the worst things about them. So what kind of relationship does Trump house with Lynn patent? So let me give you the details on her before you do I want to clarify on a couple of things that you're right. He employs Latin Americans and says terrible things racist things about them. In the context of what Michael Cohen said in the beginning of his testimony that led Mark meadows to do this stunt. He said look when we were driving through by neighborhood in Chicago, Donald Trump said only black people can live like this. Okay. When he was talking about the s whole countries he said now you ever noticed Zoll in private to Michael Kohn you ever notice how every country run by a black person is an S whole. Country. Yeah, he's like name a country led by a black person. That's not an as whole country. That's what he said. And this was during the time that Barack Obama was the president. That's according to what Michael Cohen alleges. Yes, that's before his other as whole comments became public in another context. Last one in the worst one in my opinion is he said. Black people are too stupid to vote for me. Okay. So then Mark meadows challenges that with what do you mean? I got one black person here who says that he's okay because she's getting paid by. Okay. And finally before we get to who Lynn patent is. Did you notice what coincided there at the end? He said, look, I'm the son of a holocaust survivor, and I worked for Donald Trump. Meaning I shouldn't have worked for Donald Trump either. After all the stuff he said Charlottesville about how the Neo Nazis had some very fine people, but I worked for him to and he that's self-effacing. That's admitting a mistake. The should've never worked for a month like this. But his greed got the better of them are now, let's go to Linpack. So Lynn patent has been working for the Trump family for a little while. Now, according to reports, she's currently the senior official in the department of housing and urban development in Trump's administration. She is defended Trump in the past including in August of twenty eight. When she released a statement via Twitter rebuking some of Moreau says claims, including that there was a recording of Trump saying the N word now patent is so close to the Trump's that she even helped plan Eric Trump's wedding. She started out in two thousand nine as an event planner and then worked for the Eric Trump foundation, something that should also probably be investigated where she was eventually vice president. Okay. And she also gave a speech during the Republican national convention. I want to show that to you now as someone who has been with this family each and every day for the past seven years. I know Mr. Trump, I know his heart, and I know his passion for this country to be true tonight. As we stand in the shadow of one of the darkest, months and modern American history. I know now more than ever that Donald Trump is a law and order neater we need to. He'll a wounded and divided nation. I know that Donald Trump is a law and order leader who we need to unite this divided country. That's why she just that's what she said at the C. So she's at the just because you're a wedding planet. Doesn't mean can't do other things but getting very important political positions because you did a good job of planning Eric Trump's wedding. Not exactly the right qualifications. It's what they've she ran for office and people like, I don't care. She's a great Representative. That'd be different. She would have won. But this is an appointment and it was at earned. I mean, maybe this is her way of earning it, but but to me, she's the least problematic here. Okay. Mark meadows is the most problematic in this context. Obviously, Trump is the worst. But but I want to connect all this back together. One with one other thing Lynn patent talked about alone. Order and that's what Donald Trump is. So great remember his original sin in in terms of race. It probably goes waved further back than this. But publicly Donald Trump call took out a full-page on the newspapers in New York to try to get the death penalty for the central park five. So they were five young minority kids were accused of rape. Now. It turns out they were innocent now. Okay. That was already terrible enough that insisting that on executing teenagers teenagers now in that. He would claim that time. I didn't know they were gonna solve. That's right. Okay. But later they were proven innocent. And Trump said I don't care. They probably did something else as racism one one. Why why did they do something else? Why? Because of course, it's like look at them. They're young African Americans. They must have been guilty of something. He is the worst. That's what he means by law and order, which is I will systematically discriminate against African Americans. I take it back. I do blame Lynn pet. No. I exactly look, of course. Trump's a bad guy. Of course, Mark. Does using a black woman as a prop to show his loyalism for for Donald Trump? He's a bad guy. But Lynn patent is not. I mean, she made a decision to be there. Right. It's not like she was held against her. Will she made a decision to be there? She appears to be fond of Donald Trump, and I want to give you this from the Washington Post because this is very relevant in regard to the position and the role that she was given a position that's incredibly important considering the fact that people are really struggling with unaffordable housing right now. Okay. And she is not qualified for it does not take it seriously. She works for HUD. But according to the Washington Post, she interrupt her. She interrupted her highly publicized month long. Stay in New York. Public housing complexes to be in Washington this week her stay chronicled by New York media as well as pattern herself is supposed to highlight the troubled condition, mold rodents lead lack of heat and water of low income apartments. Roy. In by the nation's largest housing authority already patent has been rescued from a stuck elevator and fielded a call from Trump angry about what she characterized as the inhumane conditions of fellow New Yorkers. Okay. So if this is such an important issue. Why are you leaving this problem that you're supposed to be solving to come to Washington DC and serve as a prop for Representative? Mark meadows. Okay. So we got it. Hey break. Right. Sure. Let's okay. So now guys here's what's the left on the planet. And it's gigantic. So we're not done with meadows yet because she did it to leave goes after him. And then there's high drama you're not allowed to call. Someone a racist at colleague racist. In in the house or in congress. So that happened or did it really happen? Okay. So there's a little bit of controversy surrounding that. Wait till you see old tapes for Mark meadows. We found those okay. Actually, one of you guys found it. I'll give you credit for that. When we return and Matt gaetz Republican congressman that try to intimidate Michael cone. Congresswoman implies you should be arrested. And now, the Florida bar's investigating and we'll have that story for you. And then later, I mean, this is another reason why I'm going to good mood today. You want to have hope as a progressive. Wait till you see the story of how people went to the state of Washington and flipped vote and to get money out of politics. It's an amazing and inspiring story you guys that I wanna share it with you guys when we come back. So come right back.

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"Hey guys you've heard of the young turks podcast because you're listening to right now but <hes> make sure that you subscribe and a five star rating. If you like it thank you for listening all right well the turks january an experiment he goes i look i fear we're going to have a phenomenal show today. That's my fear <hes> <hes> a little bit later dramatic news about the pledge dramatic news in the third hour. <hes> rokon is gonna join us great great interview. I already did it. I earlier today. I want you guys check it out so some drums between progressive legislators and democratic leadership really wow what a surprise no no. It is a surprise because usually progresses. Just sit back and take it right and now now you know i'm tired of it so so it it there's some fire in there so it makes you check that out a speed fire <hes> lot of drama around elizabeth warren and whether the corporate democrats are now rallying to her side more drama in my hand and appears last night <hes> we're gonna do something. Unusual is that of saying hey nice job grabbed jank. We're actually going to criticize me okay so that'll be interesting. That's a little bit later in the program. That's my favorite thing to do. Not surprised not surprised okay anyway so by the way tomorrow is going to be so much fun. Stay with us the whole day tomorrow and t._y._p. Dot com as we do do the <hes> the fantastic friday for aspiration <hes> sumo wrestling. I don't know how in the world you're going to compete with me and sumo wrestling. Okay even know what that means. Okay the put on the sumo outfits or maybe you put one on was to try to beat you up. Is that what's happening. Try to knock me over okay and then there's a dunk tank etc so don't miss any part in tomorrow's dot com okay so <hes> but first war yeah okay yeah we start off with some scary news but there's a little bit of a silver lining which i did not expect so at orange line. If you will in orange lining yeah early this morning it was reported that iran had shot down a u._s. Military surveillance drone now there were of course different stories depending on who you were getting the perspective from the u._s. Military argued that the drone was shot down on on international airspace. However iran has come out and said no the surveillance drone actually entered our airspace and it was a sign of provocation and we shot it down as a result now given the way john bolton and mike pompeo have been pushing for war and given the flimsy evidence they've provided vite in regard to the japanese oil tanker that was targeted. Some are are really questioning whether the u._s. Government is telling the truth here or if they're just pushing for a war trying to rally support for the war and one of the people who's actually downplaying this whole attack is donald trump and we're going to get to his comments in just a second but first. I want to go to a statement by the top general in iran here is what he had to say. We i have no intention to fight with any countries but we are complete and ready for war common would happen. Today was an obvious reassigned accurate message so that was general <hes> hussein salami that is his name and he is saying look we're again. We're not looking for war but this. This is an act of provocation and we're gonna protect ourselves. It is the same thing that we would do here in the united states. If a drone a surveillance drone from an adversary entered our airspace so here's my analysis of what happened i think foresee the iranians are telling the truth again and we are lying again <hes> now. There's a very very notable exception here of donald trump so we're gonna get to that in a second. He's not telling the truth either but that's a good thing. I'll explain point but the u._s. Is over international waters iranians like we have video of the downed drone in our waters so now they couldn't be making that up. Did i see the video and do i know where exactly iranians international waters tonight confirm that within the last twenty four hours no okay so that's why i'm telling you it's my analysis okay but based on what has happened so far in the context of all this. I would be very surprised if mike pompeo and john bolton were telling the truth. They haven't told the truth in any of this so far and could they have sent in the drawn into iranian territory on purpose to get it shot down so they could then turn around rounded donald trump go. Hey mr trump. I know you don't want to get involved in the war in the middle east but they shot down or what could we do but it turns out. That plan was foiled by donald trump. That is a twist. Nobody saw going well. You partly didn't see coming. We actually started alluding to it over the last couple of days here on the young turks that he might make that turn and then some of the the people who are i don't wanna use the word heroes. I don't wanna biden this but <hes> another hand who really did something great here are tucker carlson and matt gaetz two guys. I am not prone to give compliments to <hes> but they are working to make sure we do not get into a war with iran and trump does listen to that. You're absolutely right. <hes> trump's listens to his base and invading another country is not popular with his base so you have people on the right of voters and you have these talking talking heads on fox who luckily in this case are pushing for the right thing which is avoiding the war in iran and just want to quickly mention that over and over again. We see see that. The white house can't get its story straight when it comes to iran so they're trying to rally support for this war but they keep making all of these ridiculous mistakes. This is a small mistake but it just again shows you that they are not getting their story right so for instance <hes> iran added that downed drone was a u._s. Made arch q. four for a global hawk spying drone u._s. Official previously identified to see the model of the drone was m q foresee trish in the u._s. Us central command later said that it was what iran said it was so that just stands out to me because you had the u._s. Government right now pushing toward a warn ron and they still can't get their story straight. I mean they're sloppy and messy beyond belief which is why a lot of people are questioning the evidence that we're seeing from from the trump administration but with that said it does appear that trump is going in the right direction for now and i wanna show you this video where he really downplays this whole drone issue. Take a look. I would imagine it was a general or somebody made a mistake in shooting that drone down and fortunately that drone was unarmed. It was not there was no man in it and there was no it was just it was over international. What is clearly over international what is but we didn't have a man or woman woman into drove. We had nobody would have made a big difference so let me tell you what made a big big difference but i have a feeling i may be me wrong and i may be right but i'm right a lot. I have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody. That shouldn't have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake okay. Even when we want to agree with him he makes it really hard yeah right a lot yeah almost ever and in this case you're right on the substance of the policy but again unfortunately he's not telling the truth but that's okay. I'll take it so so wh what is he not telling the truth about. He says around probably made a mistake no iran when they are wrongly accused comes as no. We didn't hit the tanker. That's crazy talk. We didn't do that at all in this case. We hit the drone. We it was us we hit. It was not a mistake that's because it was an territory okay and then trump also. I don't think told the truth when he said it was in international waters so but nonetheless i don't care about any of that in this context because trump is trying to find a reason not ah escalate the conflict wonderful terrific. I'm happy to give them credit there. So why do we even to people as always with any claims is a bias etc. Why don't we like donald trump because of what he does right if he does things that are positive like getting out of a war with iran great. Did i like that part. There's there's nothing wrong with that and so here there's actually one more set of people that are on the right side of this and of course another guy who is on the wrong. The wrong side is that yahoo unsurprising the dick cheney of israel and he's dying for a war and he's been trying to agitate for that world all along and he says iran is intensified. Its aggression against the united states in the international community. Israel has assassinated scientists inside of iran but that doesn't count as aggression in other words for assassination is murder one the scientists they killed in front of his kids preschool okay but that apparently is not aggression but if iran shoots down a drone in their territory that apparently is aggression for dick cheney slash net yao okay so that's then yeah but that's not surprising now. This is slightly surprising. The pentagon is saying no and then i'm good idea so when trump is asking around bulletin pumper like come on let's go to war or we want so bad. Can you know that they even looked at you. Kinda weird. I think the day they might have they worked at you the wrong way. These terrible highschool instigators like looking for a conflict except except in this case. They're thinking about money. They're thinking about the money that can be made through this conflict. That's true defense. Contractors all companies etc so now then trump as the pentagon the pentagon guys look. Here's a couple of <hes> problems here number one. If you really want to get rid of iran's <hes> nuclear program if they start building back up we had already gotten rid of it. That was the obama deal tour that up okay so that's unfortunate anyway but if you wanna get rid of it if they start building it back up so the only real way to do that is regime change and they're like and they've worn trump that is a massive undertaking do not underestimate that so if that reporting is true about what the pentagon said wonderful let it because that is accurate then and then apparently there was requests for guidance on what if we did one strike like oh we'll show them such such a neoconservative john bolting senator lindsey graham is pushing for by the way yes and so they're saying we'll teach about lesson. We'll put some points on the board. As lindsey graham says right <hes> so the pentagon was like no thinking about if we do a strike you're assuming that they won't strike back but almost certainly they will then we will have to counter strike and then we have escalated the conflict in a way that draws us into that giant war <hes> and then you do your leg and our job is to give military advice but all these roads lead to an enormous war in the middle east so just recently there was a bipartisan saying <hes> congressional leadership briefing at the white house and chuck schumer came out of that briefing and mentioned that he wants to ensure that the trump administration asian doesn't push for war or invade iran unilaterally. There's still a lot of concern that they'll site that <hes> two thousand one afghanistan related <hes> eight a measure as a way of or an excuse to bypass congress and and invade unilaterally so there's that worry but there's also <hes> you know just going back to what a <hes> trump said in that first video that we showed you. He really emphasized. You know it's a drone. There wasn't anyone in it. You know what i'm saying because he wants to appear strong like he cares about appearing strong and i know that he probably has some worried about appearing weak if he doesn't act on what just happened but i like the fact that he's emphasizing. There wasn't a person there. This was an accident like that's a good sign right. It really shows that he's looking for any way to avoid actually engaging in a war and then. I thought that this next clip was also telling again. This is trump. Take a look. I don't know i find it hard to believe it was intentional. If you wanna know the truth i think that it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that that it will be able to report back and you'll understand exactly what happened but it was a very very foolish move that i can tell you there members of your administration. We're trying to push you into the role at all in fact in many cases. It's the opposite specific but i will say look. I said i wanna get out of these endless wars. I campaigned on that. I want to get out. We've been in afghanistan for nineteen years. As you know we've reduced substantially chilly in afghanistan. We beat the caliphate. We took back one hundred percent of the caliphate when it was ninety nine percent justin. I said we're going to get out. We're going to start feeling back and everybody went crazy because it was ninety nine so i said all right so we'll finish it up so we got one hundred percent and we're pulling that back out of syria were fully a lot of people back so he likes taking taking ownership for for bringing american troops back for for no longer getting involved in these in these interventionist wars. He likes to take credit for that so that's good one other thing though is is remember trump. Does it want to appear weak that applies to national security but that's certainly also applies to his own administration so i'm sure reporters porter's asking him about members of his administration pushing him in a certain direction doesn't sit well with him so that's why i gave to a cross and credit other night because apparently they're having conversations with tucker selling them be careful bolton and pompeii or trying to trick you now you notice mesh matt gaetz early. He's working with roe conn a- arguably the most progressive congressperson in the house and saying no you cannot do this without getting authorization authorization from congress the matt gaetz arguably the most conservative member of the house so this is an interesting ideological union <hes> between the right wing of the left wing against the establishment and the neo conservatives now that is bipartisanship that i love as opposed to the bipartisanship in the so called middle of washington where the right wing corporate republicans and the so-called left wing corporate democrats agree to rob us on behalf of their donors. That's what the media normally celebrates. That's what we can't stand. This actual real bipartisanship. O'connor is on the show he he talked about that. You can get that t._y._p. Dot com all of us are under under the conversation. Make sure you check that out and so it is strange bedfellows and we do live in a topsy turvy world where here the young turks is agreeing with donald trump against the rest of the trump administration. We gotta take a break. When we come back. We have <hes> some interesting news about the pledge that we're asking democratic. Kratie candidates <hes> to sign and we also have an incredible story about what these stablishment is doing and promoting. Elizabeth warren are back on the young turks. Nicholas ward writes from the member section jank. My only critique is that you aren't strong enough more strength. Please wow how so now we are going to critique me for being a little too strong lies that on <hes> on <hes> c._n._n. <hes> but <hes> but i appreciate your input but watch the segment for some women decision chelsea writes in just finished a june t. special from yesterday. This show has been instrumental in prompting me to search of so many topics <music> from hawaii we don't we don't recognize team so i really learned a lot. A lot of people are saying some wonderful things about the special from yesterday and i love the david west changes flight plans and stayed an extra day to to join us on that he's n._b._a. Legend <hes> as well as all other host that we have here so look check out the whole thing members get all of our shows anytime they want t._y. T. dot com size trial tried for a week free and so we appreciate you guys <hes> checking that out and we hope that it was <hes> interesting and educational lasts from twitter. The stone buddha says it took all of jenks power not to make a child is comment about general salami salami. You could see it on his face. Oh no come on guys. That's a lot of baloney. I feel like i was a little too low brow mentioning salami salami alami. It's from a different culture. 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Some you have been wondering w been wondering <hes> some folks who have not signed the progressive pledge sure now a lot of the great progressive congresspeople have alexandra cortez's signed it <hes> rokon assigned jamie raskin signed it <hes> and then the presidential candidates we've had three we had three on the first day bernie sanders marianne williamson and mike gravel <hes> but you guys kept asking wait why why is it was with a warning sign the pledge <hes> it's got the five pillars that at all most progressives agreed to and that's why the pledge exist in the first place. Do you agree to it or don't you agree to it so so <hes> green new deal medicare for all higher wages ending the corruption through an amendment and college football well. I have news for you guys. Elizabeth elizabeth warren has signed the pledge so look. It's not a big surprise i was. I'm gonna keep it real but maybe she she wanted to sit down and take the time to really like investigate it and ensure that she did her research before signing something which she ate but it had to be worried and <hes> look she does policy so she looked at the policies and yeah and those are things. I'm going for now. Look some corporate democrats. What's your in call them. That are now being like oh. Maybe she won't do him and maybe that's why we like her. Well sorry she just said she will do them so and look part of the pledges <hes> getting people clarity to see what they are in favor of and what they're not so you can go to t._y._p. Dot com slash pledge and read it for yourself and so now the two biggest progressive candidates in the country have signed the pledge and by the way they're pulling it number two and number three so they're both in the top three of presidential candidates. There's an excellent chance that one of them is going to be the next president of the united states of america and they both agree that those are the five pillars that <hes> stand for what progressivism is and that they are happy to make sure that they fight for those things in the play doesn't just say i support them or i agree with them. He says i will fight to make sure that these things become the law of the land so it's wonderful news that elizabeth warren has also signed it <hes> obviously we'll continue to follow up and and tracked other candidates but as i talked to today i think and he called for this. Too is <hes> one one of the leading progressives in congress. We gotta get active in beginning to put pressure on politicians in washington. Monsanto corporation continues. I used to sell a herbicide called roundup but you should know that that herbicides a potential killer recent studies have linked roundup to significant increases in non hodgkin's lymphoma. That's the cancer that can be devastating to you and the people you love while roundup continues to cause cancer. Monsanto continues to make huge profits from the sale of roundup. They will not take it off the market. If you or a loved one are exposed to round up at work or home and then developed non-hodgkin's lymphoma you may be entitled to financial compensation and it's important and for you to take action now and hold monsanto accountable then today so once we clarify who agrees the splashing who doesn't on the presidential level and by the way we're going to miami for the debates on june twenty six and twenty seven th both and i will go so well emma viglen so we'll have all overcast there and we're asking you guys come some of the presidential candidates. They're gonna come and talk to you if you're in miami. We're obviously going to talk to you. We're gonna meet all everyone one that comes to miami and so this pressure is definitely working. Let's keep going but once we've clarified the presidential candidates right now nobody is fighting for a fifty dollar minimum wage that democratic leadership including nancy pelosi said they would vote on within the first one hundred hours. If the democrats got the house they voted on it at all and it doesn't look like nancy. Pelosi is ever going to introduce it. She says she doesn't want to impeach her because she's too busy doing other things what other things so we get then hold them accountable louisa. When can we call the army is because you know barack obama said make me do it and so this is an army of democracy chrissy okay so we are civil. We are polite. You saw it in all the videos in iowa we emphasize that over and over again but we do show up in force because we need people the understand that there are a lot of the media often misrepresents what's going on and makes us seem like progress the fringe you saw my speech in iowa which you can check out on t._y._p. Indeed dot com you see that i read about at least a dozen pose a show you but elizabeth warren bernie sanders at all of us are not in the minority the overwhelming ling majority of the country agrees with us loan overwhelming majority of democrats but when you show up in person as you did in iowa if finally makes it visual for the person go wow. I didn't know that many people agree with it. Look the paul's and you showing up in person makes all the difference if you do that in miami t._y. T. dot com slash rally and by the way goes sign the pledge now over twenty. Two thousand people have signed it so those are all people saying hey. I'm a voter and if you're for this you can get my vote if you're not bless your heart but i'm going to vote for someone else. That's did sign the pledge so do that at t._y. T. dot com slash pledge. If we get into a larger and larger number i think there'll be a world of pressure for for not just the candidates but for the media to talk about it and say well. The people have spoken. This is what they believe. Progressivism is and what their candidate should fight for well. We have some more news on elizabeth warren so let's do that. Cetera democr- centrist democrats notably third way democrats have certainly warmed up to the idea of elizabeth warren as a presidential nominee. Now this follows some scathing gave ing op eds that were written about her previously but it it appears that they increasingly see her as an alternative to bernie sanders someone who refers to himself as a democratic roddick socialist elizabeth warren on the other hand does not refer to herself that way she considers himself someone who'd like to reform or capitalistic system but they okay see that as a way of persuading her to the center whereas bernie sanders might be or is. Let's keep it real immovable okay so let me give you the details. This is according to reporting from politico ward is gaining traction among those who wants rejected her muscular vision of liberalism. She's drawn notice for her wide ranging. I have a plan and for the policy playbook which has just enough growth and opportunity centre-left measures to earn her a serious look from former detractors. There's so some of them. Former detractors included third way right. This is a corporate backed think tank that <hes> in that wrote a scathing talk about her back in two thousand thirteen and <hes> now all of a sudden. They're totally changing their their tone on this but before i get to what they had previously written i just want to read read this little excerpt that i came across today in vanity fair and i want to ask you whether you think this is objective journalism quote the endorsements from people like dan gerstein a former speechwriter to uber centrist joe lieberman reflect from growing popularity both in the crowded primary field and as an alternative alternative choice to that old frightening socialist boogeyman from vermont. No no no they're neutral their objective. We're the bias wants for telling you what are true. Perspective is we elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and that's because they're progressives and were progressives vanity fair and all these other groups are like no we have no opinion need at all except for that socialist bugging bernie sanders no. You're not at all biased so look funny enough. Dan gerson scene and i are our friends and <hes> that doesn't stop us from disagreeing into lieberman was not an uber centrist. He was a right wing hawk hawk neoconservative democrat that had no business and democratic party so among the things. Dan and i disagree it right so let me give you a little bit about <hes> from third way. What are they saying about. Elizabeth warren matt bennett. Who's a co-founder. <hes> for third way says one is a democratic capitalist narrative. The other is a socialist narrative live so really at the heart of this is the fear mongering about socialism and look if you're a corporate back think tank your best interest is of course to look out for corporate profits fits and so there's that but previously real quick i want. I want to give you a third way. Had written about elizabeth warren back in two thousand thirteen. Nothing would be more disastrous for democrats democrats then to adhere to warns brand of economic populism. Nothing would be more disastrous for democrats so two points about this that are very important number one and number two <hes>. They have no idea of the kind of damage. They're doing elizabeth warren so if they think they're helping her. They got a funny way of showing it so so first of all in the tree. Now some of you might remember. I told you this. I don't remember it was a year ago or two years ago. I said if bernie sanders starts to get momentum elizabeth the established rule panic and go to elizabeth warren. If it looks like there is no serious challenger bernie sanders. I met elizabeth warren and i think a lot of you. Remember me saying that you know. Put it on twitter. New people were like yeah. I remember that so oh and that is exactly what's happening here. It's also this turn. Now is a testament to how weak they think joe biden innis because if they they don't joe biden was gonna win. Warn scary disastrous arable they'd stick with buying but they know biden is going down and then they were hoping ping the kamla harris or one of the other ones that they trust would rise but they're not rising. They're like wait a minute if binds going down and others are not rising sanders is is number to panic so they they have already hit the panic button nigga worn yeah fine no problem. We'll take ward but do do not fall for the trick is not to say you should vote for elizabeth warren. She's a wonderful progressive and don't take surveys word for anything okay. She didn't ask them to say this and that's that's why they're actually doing a tear. They're doing harm because it makes us seem like she's a corporate demographic. She didn't ask for it. She didn't say i'm having to take their endorsement. She didn't say any of that. Stop right but understand this if they take bernie sanders by pretending to support elizabeth warren write it down in stone i guarantee you that third way and all the other corporate democrats and this album spin will turn on a dime and will immediately immediately say oh you know what we looked at elizabeth warren policies and it turns out they are radical. It turns out they are dangerous. It turns out they are disastrous so no no no no those worn either source. Comma harris source people to judge so look. I think you're right in what they're trying to do with their strategy here. I don't think that they like her. The economic policies especially policies that would include <hes> you know <hes> forgiving student loan debt those types of things however do you think that they have a point about how valuable she could be right so there's the medicare for all thing how she said she was supportive and then all of a sudden it appears that she's more <hes> accepting of medicare for america right or whatever it is that the centrist democrats are trying to title it which is which is essentially a public option of version of of the affordable care act. There's also the proposal. She put out in regard to the green military. I don't know if you saw that but i have. I have some news for you. A lot of the military's already pretty green like the pentagon understands that climate change is a national security issue and they've actually been you know pretty serious about developing <hes> green programs within their department but some people are viewing that some progressives are viewing knowing that as a way to funnel more money to the military yeah. I don't think so. I think it's totally unfair to her. She's trying to get more things to be environmentally friendly including the biggest government program of all the military. That's not a bad thing. I think that's a good thing that doesn't mean you do in lieu of anything else and look. We hover answering a sense just today. She signed the progressive economic pledge a t._y. T. dot com slash pledged so she reached out to us and said yes. I'd like to sign that that clearly says green new deal and it does not say and in fact. I double checked with them. It does not say medicare for america. It says i will fight for medicare for all right okay so that is very clear and and <hes> in terms of <hes> the third ways of the world they better be careful what they're asking for because look i is there. A legitimate critique of elizabeth warren in other areas of course also jimmy critique of bernie sanders is some areas areas whether it's guns <hes> in the past for bernie sanders or maybe some foreign policy issues that people have to sort out and get a little bit clearer positions for elizabeth warren et cetera <hes> <hes> those are all fair questions right but she has for a long time been on the side. We must hold corporations accountable. We must hold banks. Thanks accountable and remember third ways mainly financed by the banks. The biggest supporter probably that elizabeth warren has had threat or career is peter. We'll see the progressive change campaign committee okay you know that they dislike any group more than they dislike third way. I mean they are mortal. Enemies so and third way can't stand them so for third way to come out and say give bear hug that elizabeth warren did not ask for two lisbeth worn if they think it's being helpful it is as usual wrong politics on their part art and heads now look a lot of this is going in that direction and that's because they think that elizabeth warren won't do some some of the things that she says that's not elizabeth warren. She's got to prove them wrong so i think she will do a lot of these things and i think she partly proved it today. By saying yes yes you will can hold me accountable to that pledge so we're gonna find that obviously but i definitely would not take third ways word for it this. This is nothing but a trick so one other interesting angle to the story that i wanna talk a little bit about third way democrats particularly the <hes> leaders of the think tank third way seem to be warming up to elizabeth warren and in fact <hes> the v._p. And co-founder of third way his name is <hes> matt bennett said quote. The exception is senator. Bernie sanders were open to everybody except for him now interestingly enough bernie thirty sanders has challenged democrats specifically establishment democrats third way democrats who consistently or constantly call for unity but then can go out of their way to smear someone like bernie sanders and so i want you to take a look at his challenge and then we'll discuss what the likelihood is of this even happening. Take a look up. I will do everything i can to defeat donald trump and if that candidate turns out to be a lot more conservative than me. Somebody like joe biden with somebody else. I will knock my brings out to see that he or she is elected because i wanted the feet. Donald trump's. I'm asking is corporate wing of the democratic party a wall excrete funded group called third way if i win the nomination. Are you going to be there with me or you're gonna go over to john. We will reach out to them. During the show see if i can get you an answer want to answer that because i understand who third way as they are funded largely by wall street and all corporate interests and so so they don't want elizabeth warren plans in the first place even though they are now pretending that they like her just so that they could ding up bernie sanders <hes> <hes> they've been fighting. Yes elizabeth warren for as long as they've existed and she's been around again it was we told you earlier. In the show two thousand thirteen they wrote an article saying she'd be disastrous astras right and but for them bernie sanders is absolutely unacceptable because they think elizabeth warren's rise might hurt bernie sanders they think maybe we can get through to elizabeth warren with the right or wrong about that is immaterial right but they know with bernie sanders. He's a rock and they're not gonna move that rock and they know it for sure. No one's able to move that. I mean you look at videos <hes> on the house explore on the senate floor dating decades back and he's been fighting the same thing you know there was some speculation earlier on <hes> so whether the rock was going to run for president it turns out he has names bernie sanders so now every corporation every wall street banker knows he'll be able to persuade bernie sanders to school screw the average american worker on behalf of the donors. This is not going to happen. You know it. I know it and they know it most importantly but these are the same guys who always screamed about unity <hes> you have to support joe mansion as he deregulates the banks when joe biden derailing the banks with the clintons. You have to support him you the right now. All of a sudden we will never support bernie sanders. Oh interesting so you like those tax cuts that trump gave you saw saw empty talk about resistance in fighting against trump and unifying with democrats. You never met any of it did you so i love that challenge. Bernie sanders did and my guess is they're going to want to hide run because they don't want to admit yes they would trade the democratic party. No they never were democrats. In the first place it was just a a front group to get within the democratic party and corrupted so the democrats would be neutered and never fight against the banks so they don't want to give up the game so they they can't say that they would be vote for trump and at the same time you noting vote for bernie sanders in fact they'll turn around on probably give money against bernie sanders. Even if it's not the trump what will they do. They'll find independent like howard schultz and they'll bring it back up and go take votes away from the democrats mkx rats so that trump can win. I guarantee you. That's what third way does if bernie sanders is running. Hey but they wrong they can say they can make a pledge right now and saying not only will we support bernie sanders. We will be happy to run millions of dollars of ads in favor bernie sanders and against donald trump. You say that you know no. They're never gonna say that because the whole point of the group was a trick in the first place it was a trojan horse inside the democratic party and just keep in mind that they will go out of their way to accomplish the exact opposite of what the american public wants so when it comes to elizabeth warren's wealth tax right <hes> polling polling indicates that it's very popular what too graphic eleven real quick morning console did a survey and they found that sixty one percent of all voters favored her two percent wealth tax on households worth at least fifty million dollars among democrats that number of course is a little higher at seventy four percent so while third way continues to push for <hes> the tax cuts for the favors to these these wall street executives. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of the american public is not in favor of it this. This is why donald trump's tax cuts for the wealthy did not pull well. Even among republicans were they were that is political wrote about today said at least one of warren's lightning thing wrought proposes as popular referring to the one that just read you first of all i mean at least one of proposals almost every proposal that elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have the polls incredibly well now you can find you a couple that don't so prisoners voting from inside prison might not pull that well but medicare for all of us seventy percent the original green new deal poa at eighty one percent increase in taxes on the rich polls at eighty two percent. That's why i'm surprised it's number isn't higher everything there's something wrong with that poll. I would imagine that that taxing people above million fifty million dollars would pull even better okay but i loved it for political and establishment. That's a lightning rod. I mean real americans are really worried about a two percent tax on people making over fifty million dollars lightning rod. What a controversial opinions preposterous all right. We gotta take a break but when we come back we're going to dunk on shank uber uber. He was on cuomo prime time and maybe you deserve a little dunking. Well duggan going on and got a dunk tank tomorrow as razieh dot cups t._y. T. today all right. We'll be right back. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more content while supporting independent media become i'm a member of dot com slash joined today in the meantime enjoy. This bag turks. <hes> rebel dragon writes in love the videos from iowa to strong guys. If you dot com anybody can view it. Go go under special coverage and you'll see the compilation video we did on saturday and sunday gives you an excellent sense of what happened in just a quick amount of time time and it was a ton of fun and you'll see all the things that we did complete check that out and then <hes> crazy hawaiian. Ask question what what is the third way democrat well. They're trying to say is republicans and democrats of two different ways but there's third way is we don't hate gay people and we don't hate black people <hes> <hes> but we love bankers and we love tax cuts for the rich and we love corporate deregulation and and we like corrupting the democratic party so that they only serve their donors third way so <hes> now they do they have any actual human beings who support them no <hes> they have lobbyists consultants and spanker donors etc amused by the idea of third way having volunteers. Hey let's get together. Missouri and mississippi and rally rally for the big banks to by politicians third way obviously does not exist. They never have never will have any volunteers so robin hudspith writes in do we need tickets a miami. I'm stoked that you'll be back in miami so no you do not need tickets and so a lot of the planning is a little bit late because you we can't find out where the supporters are going to be where the candidates are going to be until just now like earlier earlier today. We had a big <hes> planning meeting over but i'm super excited because i i think it's going to be better than we expected. I think we're going to get a place where you guys can also watch the the debate after doing the it's not really a protest more than it is showing up and and pressuring the politicians the media etc so we're going to see you guys. Some of the candies handy's might come speak to you guys and is going. I'm going. I'm a big ones going t._y. T. dot com slash rally. It's really important that you sign up there because it's a little complicated when you get there how where we're gonna meet so we're gonna send you directions where to send you emails and tax say you gotta meet at such and such corner etc because i want all of us to get together. I think it's going to be superfund. I was already jazz going to miami but now that we have some of the new planning and stuff. We got ready for you. Guys is going to be great. Okay so go to t._y. Not dot com slash rallied to sign up and get information on it and of course if you can sign up at dot com slash pledge all right and what's next all right. Jank was back on cuomo prime time debating with kaley mcenaney and during the debate it appeared that <hes> they had a conversation about trump's lies and racism. So how did it go jake. Yeah i was talking about joe biden racism and normally we come on here and go yeah yeah we did awesome but even though the people were kind in a you know a number publications wrote about how i torch the trump supporter and i led by having all that is relatively true. There were actually a couple of moments where i think i did. Something's wrong and we're ridiculously august so we wanted to share that with you as well so first off <hes> i was talking about biden and his support for working with segregationist and here's what i said i i think joe biden is a real problem here. He keeps saying that he he liked working with citations. Not just undemocratic side. Let's not forget that he bragged about working with strom thurmond who was <hes> deeply racist republican who ran for president under the segregationist ticket and so binds gotta stop bragging about how what she likes racists so there's no problem with what i said there and i think that that's true both from policy perspective on political perspective <hes> <hes> catis such a bad idea for biden to go around saying man. I am so proud that i work with segregationist. Now i get it. He didn't agree with the segregationist. We all understand that but it's a <hes> bizarre thing to brag about when especially when you're baseless support within democratic parties largely african americans it's a bad idea and policy wise these days is i explained splaine later in the segment. I want what you working with mitch mcconnell because that's not going to get you any comp compromise that helps progressive yeah. I'm glad you mentioned that because that's really the the most important thing to to take out of this whole situation right. He keeps bragging about his ability to work with some of the most deplorable people imaginable imaginable but here's the thing in this day and age bipartisanship and unity usually means that the democrats are going to give republicans everything everything they want. Mitch mcconnell has no interest in bipartisanship or unity. He will obstruct. He will do anything he can to get wins for himself and his own party what he did tomorrow. Garland is just one example of that so we don't wanna hear about someone who's going to go in there and play games and try to make friends. We want someone who's gonna fight yeah. It's that's exactly the wrong strategy also when he told the the donors <hes> the other day <hes> in the same speech <hes> hey don't worry nothing is going to change at all that is a disastrous astra's campaign slogan anyway but the part that i was wrong about a cuomo challenged me on so well. We're gonna find out who's right and wrong. I watched cuomo challenging. If we accept your context he didn't say he loved racists. He said that he remembered known able to work with those guys even though he didn't agree with what was going on and it was as a statement about how now nobody can work with anybody. I definitely did not say that. He loves racist. I said he loves working with people on the opposite side including racist and that's just the fact because that's what he said well the fact that he did say that but it's not a fact that i said that earlier in the program so i didn't use the word love of but i did say this binds. Gotta stop bragging about how much he likes. Racist hoops cuomo was trying. I was wrong early. The segment i did say that he likes racist and he's right to call me out on that. It's not fair to say. He likes racist. He kept bragging about how he likes working with racist racist so score one for him one against me there then it got worse so i came back and any one of the things she does and this is why why the right wing lights are is very aggressive now. I'm also very aggressive. A lot of trump supporters are very aggressive. Not a lot of people on the left are so they don't like that i fight back and and then i won't get steamrolled so this time around. She interrupted me way more when not let me finish any of my thoughts it was deeply grading on the nerves but it did lead me to say something i shouldn't have said so. Let's watch that okay first of all. It's hilarious that she's trying to claim that she's on the side effects when the washington post has donald trump lying over ten times in the eight hundred sixty nine days pathological go liar hey kelly he just said the other day that he's going to round up millions of undocumented. No you let me tell ain't nobody ashes anybody other. Show guys yeah so i i hate when that happens in so number one i don't like when we talk over each other but when she would just doesn't let you finish their point point so you only have two options. One is all right okay. We're gonna talk over me. I'm gonna talk over you or the other option. Which is what democrats have done for the last forty years on television surrender. That's that's right right and just let her talk over. You not let you finish your point. Do the squirrel move. She did it again so i'm talking about. The ten thousand lives of donald trump told that she was what would what about matrix attracts. She doesn't even want you to finish the fact that he told ten thousand lines in eight hundred sixty nine days. She doesn't want that coming out right so brazenly interrupts rubs but i should say hush up. Yeah i look i totally agree with you right. You're in this unwinnable situation because if you speak over her as she's trying to interrupt you are people going to be able to hear the point that you're trying to make and so it's frustrating and this is what i don't understand right and and not to be too hard on the producers but when that happens. I don't understand why they don't just go to your one shot and lower her mike until you finish this your point yeah. It's really hard to do as i think it is and then all you have is a one sided argument because one side is gonna play this dirty trick where they interrupt up to you while you're making a good point. No i think the we try to do it here but sometimes republicans. Don't listen to that either now. Nine nine percent of the times even conservatives that we have on especially because we have more time than t._v. We let them talk. We go back and forth. We make it clear with them. No filibustering no interrupting right and so setting it up ahead. The time is better but even so sometimes republicans. I don't care. I'm just never gonna stop talking. That's right and and one of the guys who famously that on the david duke he just would not shut up so i told him to shut up several times. There's one other guy secolo. Who did it longtime. That was actually in madisonville. There's a movie made about his own. Assure you that clip because it relates to and what i shouldn't have said so. This is a long time about seven years ago. Where an-and i had this debate after one of the shows where i told one of our guests the republican to shut up watch again again. That's even in the promo for mad as hell now. The reason part of the reason i play you that is because some people are like oh my god you said to a woman now. There's nuance to that right number. One is you can tell him that clip believe me. I've said of the guys ice on the same exact issue. If you don't let somebody finish their thought it's unacceptable okay but as progresses we have to be better on that because some words are problematic for the history that they have even if you use them in a way that is not at all in that case or in that context and as you can tell and you guys have seen me. I've done it to men women. It doesn't matter and in fact. I think it's arguably a little patronizing to say. You can't do it to a woman but you can do it to a man kelly. Mcenaney is whether you like it or not is is a strong fighter for her side. I don't wanna patronize her by saying well. We're going to be more delicate with her because she's a woman on the other hand does have a history and that's why you shouldn't use it. I mean women for a very long time. In america were not included or or we're not even allowed to be part of a political discussion right. I mean think about women's suffrage like we had to fight just for the right to vote and so yeah i mean if you think about the country's history a man telling a woman in the middle of a political discussion to hush up doesn't look good and actually give you a lot of credit for recognizing that and by the way no one else in the media is brought the sub. We're bringing up on her own because i always wanna correct anything we do wrong. Even if it doesn't quote unquote get us in trouble or anything along those lines and you know you don't they you. You might be able to say boy to a white guy but you shouldn't say it to a black guy so context matters right and you follow the money you know is perfectly acceptable when it comes to lobbyists consultant says cetera when you use it in the context of jewish americans you should be more careful about that so in this context i think i made a mistake there even though she was deeply annoying but taylor i get to you so now at the end. We're about to wrap up to segment. I'm like no. I'm not gonna get zero. I'm at least going to go back substantively to what i was trying to ask or challenger on so i said this that canley were you come on here and agree that if in six months he has a rounded up millions of undocumented immigrants the you are wrong and trump's aligarh okay then cuomo says we've got to wrap it up but the reason i wanted to challenge her on that is quote quote trump just said as i was trying to say initially that he's going to round up millions of undocumented immigrants. We all know that it's a campaign rhetoric and we know he's not going to do and we know he's lying and the context the conversation was how much trump lies so i know that she's not gonna come out and apologize when he doesn't do it and of course he's not gonna do it. Of course i hi right and that's why she didn't want to let me finish the thought goes. There is no good answer to that. Exactly we gotta take a break <hes> but when we come back chrissy chrissy teigen attacks bernie sanders not good was not a good look. I'll tell you why when we come back.

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Mueller's Moment Nears; Closing Act?; WhatsApp With That?; Gold Star Dad On Pres. Trump's Attacks Against McCain

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Mueller's Moment Nears; Closing Act?; WhatsApp With That?; Gold Star Dad On Pres. Trump's Attacks Against McCain

"Hi, everyone. It's poppy Harlow on this week's episode of boss files. Jamie diamond he guided J P Morgan Chase through the financial crisis building based on market cap. The most valuable Bank in the world. But he's worried very worried not about the state of his Bank, but about the state of America, plus where he puts the risk of near-term recession. What keeps him up at night? How critical he thinks it is we see a US China trade deal and the politics of it all as we head toward twenty twenty. Listen to my full conversation with Jason Morgan. Chase CEO Jamie diamond on boss files. Subscribe on I tunes. Good evening from Washington where the wait continues and the expectations grow so many here. Republicans Democrats reporters expecting the report by Robert Muller to be handed over anytime a key figure. Former FBI director James Komi is just weighed in on it. And whether he thinks the president should be impeached and everyone in every official corner of this town, but especially in the White House, and the halls of congress are bracing for impact, whatever it may be to give you some idea of how intense the speculation was all day here. Not to mention the effort to be I when and if the news broke number of camera crews staked out Robert Muller's offices. So they could get pictures of him coming in what might have been a momentous day when word spread that Robert Mueller did not go out to lunch as he often does reporters and producers and politicians analyze what that meant to mean anything. That's how little information there is about the release of Muller's findings trying to interpret why someone apparently stayed in their office for lunch. I was out of the office for lunch day case. Anyone cares? Torney general William bar and deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein were spotted coming and going at the White House. What did that mean calls were made endless discussions? No answers. Eventually got to the point where everything started looping back on it. Self producers reporters calling sources and the sources saying you tell me when they actually did have information pass on it was impossible. Glean anyone consistent message from it. For example, Jim Acosta sources saying people in the president's political circles, we're expressing optimism about the Miller report. Meantime, Robert cost over the Washington Post was hearing what he described as real concern in the White House about possible obstruction of Justice findings report different stories perhaps from different sources. And the thing is both could be right. No, one truly knows what Robert Muller's conclusions will be in his reports, the attorney general and to congress and in this town in which information is power that is a painful truth. The president though, even as he claims favor making it public also continues to heap scorn on it and Muller. I know that he's conflicted. And I know that his best friend is call me who's the bad cop. And I know that there are other things, you know, better than anybody has no collusion. There was no collusion. There was no obstruction. There was no nothing. But it sort of an amazing thing that when you have a great victory. Somebody comes in does a report at nowhere. Tell me how that makes sense who never got vote who the day before he was retained to become special counsel. I told him he wouldn't be working at the FBI. And then the following day. They get in for this. I don't think I don't I don't think people get it all that big set. I look forward to seeing the report. Well, the prisoners thoughts on this or well known. So is the fact that Robert Muller James come you're not as the president says, they're best friends in any case Komi spoke out today in the op-ed page of the New York Times, he writes, and I'm quoting I have no idea whether the special counsel, we'll conclude Mr. Trump knowingly conspired with the Russians in connection with the twenty sixteen election or the obstructed Justice required corrupt intent, I also don't care. You went on to say, I care only that the work be done. Well, and completely if it is Justice Willett prevailed and core American values will have been protected at a time. When so much of our national leadership has abandoned its commitment to truth and the rule of law. Additionally, he writes, I do have one hope that I should confess. I hope that Mr. Trump is not impeached and removed from office before the end of his term. He says significant portion of the country would see that as a coup, regardless of the facts now, plenty to talk about tonight. Whether it's the report itself, the possibility of more indictments and all the potential implications. What will almost certainly be a seismic event as we said, whatever the findings turn out to be. Start with Jim Acosta at the White House. So Jim based on who you're talking to our house, the White House feeling tonight about maybe imminent, maybe not so imminent deliver the findings Anderson, I think there's some cautious optimism. I do think there are officials who are expressing concern as you were just benching a few moments ago, there is that reporting out there, I have talked to a number of sources over the last few days who have said that they are hopeful that at this point Muller will not find the president has committed any crimes, and that that will be basically the headline coming out of the mullahs report. One of those did add the caveat that there have been times during this investigation when we didn't know what Muller was up to and didn't know what he had and that certainly could be the case here, and we're all going to find out the other. But but Anderson one thing we should point out is there is one sign of optimism coming from the Trump campaign in that they just put out this fundraising Email in the last several minutes fundraising off of what they call the which hunt report. And claims to have an attachment there. But really there's a link to go click on and donate some money to the president's campaign. And so I don't get the sense over here at the White House that they're quaking in their boots. But of course, things can change very quickly in this down. I I well, I assume they have a plan. Do they have a plan in place for how to deal with this? You know because it goes to Bob Barr. Exactly attorney general bar exactly the expectation is that the attorney general have it he'll review it, and we could have two new cycles here in that. We're all waiting anticipation that Robert Mueller will hand in that report that may happen of then we may have to wait several days for the attorney general to review the findings that has not been really mapped out for the public for the press in terms of how all of this is going to go down. But the patient is that we could be all waiting for a few days, including members of congress to see exactly what's in this report. I will tell you that over here at the White House. I talked to an administration official earlier today who said that they do expect to get some sort of heads up on the timing of the report that the report has been dropped essentially, but not to the contents of the report, and according to this official day expect over here that Robert Muller is going to be playing things close to the vest. But you know, Anderson I talked to source close to the White House who advises the campaign earlier today. Who said they feel like that. This report is going to clear the decks for the president that there's not going to be a finding of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the president. And this actually went on to call Robert Muller. A quote, boy scout Anderson we've been watching this investigation unfold for the last two years. This is the first time I've really heard anybody describe Robert Muller in that fashion, perhaps a for Thai Cobb, the White House Turney who left about a year ago and has described Robert Mueller and very glowing terms. But you know, when you hear from the president other people inside the administration inside the campaign. They just don't describe Robert Muller that way. So I thought that was an interesting sign that there started to talk about the central special counsel in that way Anderson, and as we mentioned the top rod Rosenstein and turning general bar. We're at the White House today. Right was known why we were told Anderson that this was not Muller related. We do know that rod Rosenstein has said he's going to be staying on at the Justice department a little while longer. It was expected that he was going to be wrapping things up in terms of his job over at the. Justice department. But that he wanted to stick around and make sure that this report is turned in and that that it maintains its integrity throughout this entire process. And so it looks like rod Rosenstein is doing that. And so, you know, I think Anderson over the next several days, we're going to see a lot of comings and goings over here at the White House from the attorney general bar, and the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein is going to be very interesting to watch. And of course, the president has been indicating in the last day or so that he wants this Bulloch report released, I think if the president is making those kinds of noises, I think that is another indication coming from the president his team that there are some guarded cautious optimism right now with that caveat that we just don't know what. Bob Muller knows Anderson dam Mukasa. Thanks, very much more reporting house wells perspective some of the best legal and political folks, we know endure investigative reporter and author Carl Bernstein joins us Nixon White House counsel, John dean's chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin and chief political analyst, Gloria borger and CNN crime. And just. This reporters Shimon few Pez Shimon. Let me start with you any clear sense tonight. Then we did last night or the night before that or the week before that or several months before that about when this report may actually be all we know is that we're certainly closer to getting this report, then we were. Okay. So look. I really think it was going to be today. I mean, you could see this by the reaction from the media. This is the first time you we've had this many cameras outside of Muller's office. I've been there we have a team. That's there every day. No one has really been going today. There was more press than there has ever been outside that office and really the last two years. So that was an indication that everyone thought that this was going to be today. There have been other signals something for the last few weeks that there has been nothing going on. We haven't seen any activity at the grand jury. We haven't seen any really any of the lawyers bringing in any new witnesses for people at home understand. Understand news agencies and others actually have people watching this kind of stuff activity the ground out. We do have really more seen than anyone else. I have to say we we have a couple of our younger producers or been out there every single day watching every move everyone who comes into the office, everyone who leaves we've been watching people coming to the courthouse. It's been very helpful for us because it's clear Muller's not talking the Roger stone. That's exactly right that we were able to show up at Roger stone's house when the rate happened. So they're sitting look there is some guidance going around with very hard is to figure out. What's the lay right now we hit her weeks ago? This was coming. And then we heard okay tomorrow. Well, and it's not until really the end of the day. You're start figuring. Well, maybe this isn't happening. So we've kind of as everyone we're on edge. We're waiting and nothing how profession and this is the way they've been operating when you when you think of them just logistically, it's not. His if this is the Ken Starr report being published Morrow, and everybody's running to get it. Hot off the presses in reading hundreds of pages. It could very well be the general Chetta statement. Well, it's where we're going to know is that we're going to they're going to tell us the report has been submitted to the attorney general they may also tell us when the attorney general will respond to it. And what we know is we think it's likely that what he will do is a summary. He's not going to go up to congress and hand it out. So it'll be a summary and the, and what's interesting to me is that the folks at the White House the counselors there want to be able to read this or get parts of it first. So they can see whether they're any privilege issues, and maybe bar will do that. And and hand those parts over or maybe he won't. But the problem is going to be that congress is going to say, why are you letting the White House? See any part of this before we see any part of this. This is a counterintelligence investigation, and they want to be briefed on it and the White House wants to respond. I so that's going to be an interesting issue for bar to figure out of tuba can the president of the United States. Once he finds out that that this is. Bar has the report can you just call up and say, all right. So what is it that? Absolutely. He's he's the head of the Justice department. So so the president people around him, they will know as soon as bar gets the report, they will know, well, they will they be able to see the full report that will be up to bar to a certain extent. But if the president insists on it, I I don't think bar has any any reason to decline it. This is the difference between a report by a special counsel who Robert Muller who was part of the hierarchy in the department of Justice and Kenneth Starr who was an independent council who reported to a set of judges completely independent from the Justice department. I mean, this is a big difference. And this is why and it could be that the first thing we hear is from the White House saying the report is in with looked at it shows. No collusion. It shows a complete vindication of the president. And that may be all we get. Now, I don't think a lot of people will believe that. But I mean that just shows you how the logistics of how this works might be politically very significant Carl, what do you anticipate just in terms of obviously, we don't know, what's. But just in terms of how this will play out. Jeff. The the scenario. He raises of the White House saying, no collusion. All clear, this has been a total vindication. That could very well be it. And then and then what I'll listen Democrats will want to try to see it huge sprawling investigation and Trump has been somewhat successful in saying to his true believers and to the media that the issue is quote collusion, and that's it. And if it is a finding of quote, no conspiracy that he Trump collaborated with the Russians he is home free. I don't think that's really the case. I think we're going to see a real report about a cow a counterintelligence investigation, and we're going to learn as the special prosecutor was charged with determining what the Russians did and whether and with whom there were contacts, and what that amounted to. But I also think there is a very real question of whether we're going to see more indictments arou-. Around the time that this report comes in right afterwards. Maybe even before. A lot of the investigation has turned as we can see from what Muller has released in his findings before the courts has turned on the testimony of others that are did are cooperating with his investigation. And there is reason to believe that that there is really more information there that that we're going to see the fruits of that John. That's a specially true. In regard, perhaps to learning something about the president's dealings with with Paul Manafort John dean, the counterintelligence aspect of that would. I mean, obviously, that's classified. And I believe normally would be the the head of the intelligence committees would be briefed is that what would happen to any counterintelligence aspect of this. That's correct Anderson. If it's just the counterintelligence part that would go to either the intelligence committees in the house. Senate or it's too sensitive for the full committee's. It will be the big eight the key players in on on all of the committees, and the leadership so the congress would get that as a counter intelligence document, but I'm with Carl on believing. There may be more indictments. I felt that all along the he has been building various cases in other indictments conspiracy cases, and we have witnesses like gates who've they've asked to hold off for sixty days till they can plead the work with him. There. Other witnesses that are out there. I just don't see a rap on it at this time. So you're saying more indictments meaning that he would not actually give a report at this stage for or would he give the report at the same time as dementia announce it could be simultaneously? If there's a rumor in town. I don't know who's putting the rumor out I don't have a clue and I wondered if the White House. Is doing it trying to build up all this to make it appear that the investigations being dragged out and somehow orchestrated by the White House. That would be a smart play. If that's what they're doing and nothing comes. But I think in more indictments are coming, and I think they'll be broad-based, and they'll be a general conspiracy, and that'll pull a lot of this together. It'll be speaking indictments Shimon, Gloria, I don't think there's going to be any more indictments in terms of the Muller team there at the point with they've done with their work. It's been very clear to us that if there's going to be any other indictments if there's going to be any other law enforcement activity. It's gonna come outside of the Muller team. It seems to us that the mandate. What Muller was responsible for what rod Rosenstein appointed him to do is now complete. That's why we're waiting for this report. I don't think we would we would be told that report is coming any day. Now, if there were other indictments we've also been given indications specifically to that that there was no more. There weren't going to be any more indictments from. Southern district of New York. For example. We know what we will learn the ho is is whether Muller went up against rod Rosenstein at any point. And if Muller said to rod Rosenstein, you know, I really want to interview the president I'm going to subpoena the president that would be included in this. It is required to be included in this whether the public ever sees that though I mean, that's again, it's up to Detroit. Well, we don't know. Right Willoughby and his summary. The other question, you have is whether individual one or Donald Trump is mentioned in this in any way, shape or form because we know that he can't be indicted. So if they declined to indict him, there's a possibility that he's name or representation who refer to him as you would know who it was referred him by name if they ever made a public in an indictment or something interesting of in Europe, they would do it. But this report is going to contain probably a lot of not very good information for Donald Trump and turns of the campaign in terms of other people, but whether or not it rises to a crime. And remember Nixon wasn't unindicted co-conspirator. But I don't know the tape would do that. With Donald go took a break and have more to talk about a pick up the conversation when we come back more, and how rubber Muller might bring his Gatien to a close with the house oversight committee says it's uncovered Jared Kushner, vodka Trump and others using various private Email or messaging apps like what's app to conduct official business committee member Rokon joins us. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. 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And you also said look, I don't wanna peach because people would think it's a coup. And I think lots of Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi agree with him the question that I have is like why is he weighing in the day before or perhaps the day before this this mall report the day off? There was a lot of thinking even the new time. So this was coming today. This the whole point. This the whole point. So so the question is Komi Komi who has been interviewed. I think he's wants to be relevant here. And don't forget he's never come out and said, the president tried to obstruct Justice in his conversations with me, but he took extensive notes and was interviewed by Muller. So he does have a deeply. He does believe the president was directing him to St. he does. But he hasn't come out and said this is obstruction. Right. Coral does it makes. I mean is it just about staying staying in the conversation? You know, got still got a book out there. I I can't answer that question. But I don't think that that Mr. Komi is terribly relevant in terms of what his thoughts are to what's going on at this moment. And what's going on at this moment is the question. Whether Robert Muller is going to be able to show what his investigation has uncovered. And that includes the other jurisdictions, the southern district eastern district Virginia the other investigations in by various US attorneys. This is the fruit of his approach to it investigation. That might well have been shut down. And as a result. If you believe people who have some idea of what molar strategies are. He has placed the ability for a full story of what happened in the election with Trump's businesses with every aspect of what may or may not be a conspiracy with the campaign, and and especially with the Russians to come out in various venues, his report tomorrow may be concerned only with his immediate charter, but we can have indictments in other places we have seen how the story is being told in all of these venues, and that's why the molar investigation against great. Great odds, given what is obviously a lot of lying by people around the president of the United States lying by the president himself, a parent obstruction of Justice from some in the White House and elsewhere, and we'll see whether or not the president is named as having obstructed Justice in. In clear terms by Muller or not. But, but we are going to have I believe a pretty good picture of what has occurred with Donald Trump in those around him, including some of his business dealings is that going to be enough to satisfy the Trump base. Of course, not it's still a political process as well. But I think that we're gonna learn an awful lot in the coming days. Jeff, I mean that it's an open question would actually from the report anybody will actually see. But also just politically if Muller there is no conspiracy. Miller's come forward with. There's no starting of Justice that Muller points to it's obviously a huge victory for for the president for the president's supporters, and it may have ripple effects on the Democrats ability to do other investigations in congress. There may be pressured to to you know, kind of lay off. Well, I mean, one of the reasons so much mystery surrounding this is that the regulation under which Muller is appointed gives him so much discretion. This could be a five page report. This could be five hundred page report. This could be a five page report with five hundred pages of exhibits attached. It also gives a lot of discretion to the attorney general to Julian bar in terms of how much he discloses. So you know, I everybody's talking. So confidently about you know, what the report will show, you know, will he draw conclusions about the law, and and what laws were broken or will. He simply lay out a narrative of what what happened and let people draw their own conclusions about the legal implications. All of that is unknown to me. And I think it's unknown to most people who are talking about this stuff. So I just think we need to be very cautious about what's. You know, what the report is going to contain? Because no one knows John dean. I mean, it is amazing that the fact that it has remained unknown. I mean that that in in certainly in Washington where people trade and information, this is a very well kept secret. This has been the tightest special counsel investigation or independent counsel investigation as well. That's ever been conducted in Washington. This is a a sealed black box. But contrary to what Jeff just said, I think we do have some outlines as to what's in that report in the regulations where it says that the special counsel will report the reason he is either to Klein prosecution or undertaken prosecutions, and this could be just a few pages, you could cover this or as Jeff and others have looted to you could also expand that greatly. It's the counterintelligence investing. Nation which apparently has been handed off to him to that. It could be vast, and this will probably be the most secretive of documents. Now wanna thank everybody. The chairman of the house oversight committee claims Jared Kushner has been using what's happening krypton messaging after official business. He says von Trump personally males to conduct government business. All that more just ahead on this busy Thursday. I'm Biagio Messina, and I'm jokin seen. We're the producers behind HSEN television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explored the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, the Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelve subscribe today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. The White House is rejecting requests. From congressional Democrats should obtain documents tied to President Trump's communications with Ladimir Putin. Democrats say they're looking to whether the president or his associates tried to conceal misrepresent the nature of those contacts, the White House counsel says the courts have long established the presidential communications with foreign leaders protected. This house oversight committee, chairman Elijah Cummings says in a letter to the White House that the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner, uses the messaging service what's app to communicate with foreign leaders in the same letter Cummings also says that vodka Trump was continuing to receive emails related to White House business on her private account and didn't always forward them to her White House account, which would be violation the presidential records act. Among other things that access that quote, any individual creating presents records must not use non-official accounts, unquote, unless Besseges or forwarded to official account joining me now democratic congressman Rokon who's a member of the house oversight committee congress. Thanks for being with us. So Jared Kushner's use of what's app for fischel business is it actually a national security risk in your opinion. I mean, it is as far as I understand encrypted end to end. It is Anderson. There are reports that Jared Kushner has been using this to give sensitive information to NBS in Saudi Arabia, and as you know, Saudi Arabia's bombing Yemen and undertaking a lot of actions against dissidents. So there are large questions about what his relationship with MVSA is. And what information he's been giving the Saudi regime, but I mean, you don't have any evidence that I mean, do you have any evidence that those conversations have taken place, and or what the content context is? Well, there's public reporting that he has used what's have to communicate with 'em Bs. We don't know what the context is. We do know also based on public reporting that Tom berry who was the president's chair of the inauguration committee has used private emails to talk about giving nuclear reactors to the Saudis. Here's why this matters, though, as you know, one of the largest humanitarian crisis is taking place in Yemen. Fourteen million people may have famine were about to pass a War Powers resolution in the house and the Senate. The question is is the president going to sign it? Or is he too beholden to the Saudis? These are deeply important questions about our national interests. And one wonders what communication is taking place within Bs, and why this isn't being disclosed under the proper laws, but isn't community. I mean is aren't there often communications between people in the White House and foreign officials that are not necessary that are not made public. I mean, don't don't there have to be private communications. Well, sure, but I mean the. Irony of this is that the president ran his whole presidential campaign accusing Hillary Clinton of having a private server and having communications, and here, you have something that's much worse. You have a communications with foreign leaders on platforms that aren't official US platforms that put sensitive information at risk. No one is saying that they have to disclose every detail of those communications, but they need to be doing it on official government servers and preserving those records. So that if there is inquiry they can comply with that. And they haven't done that there is an actual presidential records act and Funke Trump still doing White House business, or at least from according to congressman Cummings. A think is information several months old but on a private Email account. There's obviously the irony of the president running on on similar criticisms of of secretary Clinton. But so if would it be would it be not a violation of the records act if she? She used private Email. But then forwarded those emails to an official account. So there's a record of it. I mean, the fact that there's no record of it seems like there's two issue. There's a security concern. And then the fact there's actually no record of it. I think they're boats. Here's issues one is why is she using a private Email account? Or why is Jared Kushner using what's up which can be intercepted from foreign intelligence? And which is putting sensitive information at risk separate from that of the law as you point out requires that these information this these records be preserved, and if she's forwarding it to her official account and preserving that then at least she's complying with that part of the law. But there they're large questions whether that's being done. I mean, one of the things that was reported is that she hasn't been preserving those emails that she hasn't replied to well that would be a violation of the law. And if anything this president should have been aware of this law. I mean, he based his whole campaign on this law against Hillary Clinton. It's also interesting because obviously, the Kushner jerk Kushner Trump, I mean, they still are making money from private, you know, from private businesses of Trump is making money from the the. Trump hotel that is that information that also should be saved inefficiential documentation. Absolutely any any. If information that affects any part of their job needs to be saved. And the reason we have this law is for transparency Anderson precisely for the reasons you say that if there are potential financial conflicts of interest, and if congress wants to conduct oversight, then there is a record that the American people can consult if they do it, privately, and that information isn't available of the American people won't know if their conflicts of interest, and so that's why it's deeply problematic that they aren't preserving these records or that they're conducting this communication on private Email. Servers insures the White House's refusal though to turn over documents about the president's private conversations of ladder, Putin, obviously, it is concerned that we have no idea the American public. Other officials have no idea what actually was discussed between bladder Putin and President Trump even Helsinki at this one on one meeting they had with. Interpreters only present normally there would be some sort of a readout. There would be other ficials there, there'd be some sort of at least general understanding of and specifically of issues that were discussed, but at the same time shouldn't the president have the ability to have private conversations with of ladder, Putin or whomever without disclosing every conversation to people in congress. Sure Anderson there should be some private conversation. But in this case, the president didn't have any of his own officials there he didn't even have his secretary of state. He didn't have national security officials in even Republican colleagues of mine were offended when he said that he believed Putin more than our own intelligence officials, and that he said he believed that Putin didn't interfere with our elections, which is absurd for anyone looking at the evidence. So no one is saying that we need all the details of all his sensitive conversations. But we need to have an account of what was discussed, and as some basic questions, both President Obama and President Bush in the past complied with providing readouts and summaries of conversations with foreign leaders if they wanna claim executive privilege for certain sensitive parts that's fair. But to say that they're not gonna Dick's close any of the nature of those conversations. Who was there? What was discussed this just being unreasonable congressman on I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Thank you for. For having me joining me, I was for Trump campaign advisor, Steve Cortez and USA today. Colonise Cureton powers Steve should mean. I mean, I understand the need for presidential executive privilege, but also president people have private conversations with foreign leaders, Putin and others, but you do see the flip side of it. Which is we have absolutely no information about what they actually discussed. Does that concern you at all? Eight look it doesn't concern me only because the practicalities of world diplomacy really necessitated. There's no other way to do this. For example. I know the congress wants oversight and this is natural tension between the legislative and executive branch. But we cannot have in World War Two. We didn't have the United States. Congress running the war with the British parliament. We had DR doing it. With Winston Churchill. We can't negotiate with friends or adversaries on a legislative the legislative basis we hired Donald Trump, essentially our country did to be our chief negotiator chief diplomat and in that role. He is certainly entitled to a great degree of privacy and executive privilege and president is not just right, but it is unusual. I mean, you acknowledge not having anybody present in one on one discussions at the summit. Even among his own cabinet or any kind of record for historical reasons. Look, it's unusual, and it's unfortunate. And the reason though that that that it was necessary sadly is because his phone calls with relievers were leaked, which is which is not just a breach of ethics, but a breach of US law, which is really treasonous activity, and because that was happening. I think unfortunately, this president had to take the unprecedented steps of saying I'm going to severely limit who has access to these conversations and some cases having no one except for interpreters having access, but that is a consequence of some really reprehensible people committing acts of crime, and perhaps even treason, and and and divulging to the world private conversations between the president and other world leaders cursing. I mean, John Bolton the secretary of state. I mean, there are people who could have been in the room, you would think hopefully, the president would at least trust them. Yeah. I mean and also just to see the saying we're not in World War Two. I mean, there's there's no reason that there can't be a read out. From these meetings in and to his own staff, at least two people that he trusted, and we see after these meetings often, nobody really knows what happened because they don't get a clear read out about it. That said, I'm not sure what difference. It would make even if congress was given a read out because then it would just be it would be cherry picked. Right. I mean, there's no they're not gonna tell congress things that are going to make the president look bad or seem suspicious. So I don't think that solves the problem. And I think that the president does have a right to have these conversations in private if he chooses to I wish that he wouldn't. I think that there's a lot of good reasons a lot of diplomatic reasons than a lot of reasons to have other people in the room to actually protect the president and to protect the country. But I think ultimately, you know, this falls within his rights. You think back to when President Obama kind of whispered? I think you're right. I can't remember it was to Putin or to Medvedev, but. That was that was caught on on a on a hot my. They're allowed to have communications like this. Yeah. I would congress or the American people knowing word for word. What was said? Yeah. There's there's no question about that. I do think that if Barack Obama had been doing what Donald Trump is doing. I think the Republicans would have cried foul. I think if there was you know, if he was having meetings, and with very curious relationship with American adversaries who he refuses to criticize no matter how terrible they are while he can, of course, criticise literally anybody on a regular basis, whether it's John McCain or whomever. He's mad at George Conway guest today or yesterday. So I think pretty much every day. Yeah. There there are things that that make it a little more, you know, concerning I guess, but I'm sure that if it was Barack Obama that the Republicans would be crying foul. Steve this is democratic overreach. I mean, it's basically, I mean, do you do you think people in congress believe that they would be able to get those communications is more about being seen to try to get them? Right. And again, look this is a natural tension. You have congressional oversight. You had the executive branch probably stalling. And I doubt that I mean, what executive branch has ever left to comply as quickly as possible, and as fully as possible with congressional document requests, none is the is the answer in this one is in either. So this is the natural back and forth. But when it comes to foreign policy when it comes to negotiating we do have a singular executive, and I'm not just talking about Trump. Now Hal about any president. And we hire that executive. We elect that executive exactly this reason because there's no they're practical way to do it Steve Cortez. Appreciate it. Thank you, the McCain families found themselves having response, the president of the United States as he continually very publicly goes after the late. Senator Megan McCain spoke out today in response to the latest czar statement by the president wanting thank you for John. Mccain's funeral and being clearly angry didn't get one shows for the family. My next guest goal store family goes to father who knows what it's like to be in receiving end the president's tax. His are. Con the father of US army, captain who my own Khan who was killed in Iraq in two thousand and four joins me next. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. It has clearly been a difficult week for the family of John McCain is the president has continually attacked the late Senator and yesterday revealed he's clearly angry because he did not receive some sort of a thank you for whatever role. He believes he played in the country honoring John McCain. I endorsed him at his request. And I gave them the kind of funeral that he wanted which has president I had to approve. I don't care about this. I didn't get thank you. That's okay. We sent him on the way. But I wasn't a fan of John McCain. Today. Mccain's daughter Megan address, the latest comments and mentioned another family that has been on our mind. I don't expect these seeing compassion from the Trump family. Do wanna thank the American public for all the decency and compassionate. They have given us it just keep thinking of the confidently because you're gone because they go through this when their son died, can we take this awful moment and turn it into something positive my personal favorite veterans charity is the freedom team with the Kelly's international it's team for wounded veterans where they run races. And I've been involved with it for years if you wanna get involved to do something good out of all this talk city. Go check out a Kelly's. Short on family. She mentioned was also wants to spare by the president. Because you're con- is the father of US army, captain Humayun Khan who was killed in Iraq in two thousand four he joins me. Now. Mr. thank you very much for being with us as always when you hear Megan McCain, referencing your family. I'm wondering given the comments being made lately by the president. What has been going through your mind force? Wish to pay tribute to all veterans and their families men women sort of in uniform and families and to McCain family for their valor for their sacrifice. And of course, Senator McCain he was you knew them. Of course. Of course, we had known him foot ears use to after captain Himalayan con post. We decided that we will present the gift of the book that Himalayan had lost. And that book was Senator McCain's book that I sent like urging hours like cut Mandalay Z, you actually sent Senator McCain's book to your son a month before he dies and. The second title of that book was a way to braver life. And I asked him the last conversation. I had I said, I sent you Senator McCain's book have you read it. He said, yes, I read it. It's wonderful book others reading it in my camp. And so we decided after he pasta. This would be the book that we would give it to the commissioning cadets of the US army that were joining the United States army, and we decided that how wonderful it would be Senator McCain would be kind enough to inscribe the book. So I took about twenty copies because they were twenty cadets that were sorting in in army, and he so why don't you next time bring their name? So I could inscribe for snow note to them next year. I took list of the cadet soon, and he said. I said across the table from him into Julie each and every cadet received a personal note from him. And that went on for years years, really those the. The hit even kind of having discussion with you in which we're talking about the tax that the president's been making on John McCain. But obviously, I'm sure it hasn't surprised you the things he said does it make any sense to you? Why he would be doing this? Some things are not teachable. And Petit feeling the pain that other person may be feeling cannot be taught some of us, unfortunately are uneducated, and I wish somebody I know he has lots of good people around him to at least somebody should pick up that book, why coverage of eighty two braver life and easy English. Read it to him. Maybe he will learn not only he's present. We are focusing too much on president. He's come under in chief of the United States on forces commander in chief is obligated to take care of his soldiers to take care of the men and women that have served that are serving he ought to have some compassion. And that is what is disappointing that he has compassion. He has good words to say about Putin Edwards thirty. He has good words to say about came junk on. Yet, he disrespected what he'd he'd disrespect Senator McCain and his family what a met moment of shame foot us to have such a commander in chief. Cindy, McCain put out a some or at least one example of a very hateful message that that she had received in the wake of all this based on on the president's comments. I'm wondering what your message to the McCain family would be you will. We're not without such messages. We don't talk about them. We simply hand them over to would need to be given of that America. Loves you McCann family. Your value. Your sacrifice is ignited is in the history books. Place of Senator McCain is in history books. He's the hero of this nation. His weather his sector Feis has families. Valor and sacrifice is in the history books. No one will replace. We will never forget you this nation. Never forget those who sacrifice for this nation. And we will never forget Senator McCain that has no one equal to him. No one federal to him in this nation. We honored him honored his family be strong and have faith in the goodness of this nation. I have traveled. Throughout this nation. And I have met majority of this nation is decent kind respectful people. It's it's interesting because the president, you know, recently gave a speech in which he talked about having the armed forces on his side, the police on his side sort of hinting at if there was civil problems or difficulties he has the the those those the army and the police on his side and yet, and he always says how much he supports the military and yet making these kind of comments things that somebody who's is captured. He doesn't seem to have any respect for somebody who's been captured or been a POW tortured for six years. He presumes dead on his side. He forgets the dead on the side of United States. They'll on the side of this nation. They'll on the side of defensive this nation. That's the oath. They take not. That's the old take second thing is is he on their side. This is not for Stein. He attacked kept him cons. Gold star mother. He attacked. She was a standing silent there. She was she did not award out. He went off to her. Then my daughter sergeant LA David's widow he attacked her. Then knows Senator McCain Senator McCain had pasta seven months ago that is limit that is height of this. This. Clownish nece. I really don't have the words to condemn his behavior except to say that that office that to place where he sits has not changed a bit. He's exactly same. What he was before the election before he became candidate. How he has lived his life. And this is a moment to pause for those who support him nothing has changed. He only has defrauded them as a huckster. He short them something that is not there. Now, they have seen the true Trump who supports Putin came Joan on. But does not support the hero of this nation is he on the side of men and women veterans and their families. All he will continue to imbed us. And the worst is yet to come. The reason is he is panicking nal, and he is he sees that the life that. He has lived prior to coming into politics is unraveling is coming to light. And as public seeing it would they demand standing on his side. Appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Like, that's your family, nearly two hundred criminal counts, dozens of people and entities charge. The most important moment in the molar prob-, maybe imminent up next the roadmap that the special counsel has drawn as Washington and the world get ready tonight.

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Lets do the numbers on Hurricane Dorian

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Lets do the numbers on Hurricane Dorian

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I'm ali would filling in for cairo's doll. It's monday september second labor day the end of summer. Thanks for joining us. We're going to start with hurricane dorian. It is approaching the u._s. Coast it has done catastrophic damage in the bahamas already in florida at least three airports are closed and more than a thousand flights are cancelled. Georgia and the carolinas may also be hit but for all the focus on the coast there are a lot of inland communities endurance path that are still suffering bring from previous hurricanes marketplace's justin how has more back in two thousand sixteen and the shot abdulaziz was running a clothing store in lumberton north carolina a the town about an hour and a half inland from the coastal city of wilmington. Then hurricane matthew hit flooding lumberton with waist high water adelaziz says he you didn't see it coming. I work even flood area. We didn't even have coverage. Historic went out of business along with other stores in the shopping center. Ability says that part of town is still economically depressed. A lot of people moved out and moved away so it became a dead area. There are a lot of inland towns and cities like lumberton that are in the path of hurricane. Dorian jeff's like melchett columbia university's national center for disaster preparedness studies so called socially vulnerable areas it essentially it comes down to your ability to marshal resources. He says many of these cities have lower income levels. That's made it harder to rebuild. After previous hurricanes let alone navigate the complicated complicated bureaucracy of aid programs residents are also less likely to be able to afford flood insurance and then you end up with this band of areas that are very rural earl and tend to be much lower and recovering from disasters even win. Those disasters do only affect coastal areas alice hill at the council on foreign relations says coastal businesses often employ people who live further inland if their businesses that they're employed by closed down they may not be earning anything during the period of the storm or the threat of a storm if a coastal city evacuates. I'm justin hope for marketplace. Now i mentioned those canceled flights in florida which are happening. Opening as millions of people are flying for the labor day weekend. Air travel schedules have already been disrupted over the past several months because boeing seven thirty-seven max jet it was grounded after two fatal crashes and this weekend united and american airlines announced. They'll keep the plane off their schedules until december meaning that holiday today travel moluccan kinda ugly folks marketplace's nancy marshall genzer reports. The federal aviation administration temporarily grounded the seven thirty seven max ax last march after two fatal crashes the f._a._a. Says it's not following a prescribed timeline for allowing the max jet to fly again autumn. It comes down to flight testing thing. Richard ab lafayette is an aviation analyst at -til group and <hes> of course getting all of the pilots are invited to provide input uncomfortable a big question how much pilot training the f._a._a. Will require in flight simulators. A beloved says there are only sixteen or seventeen seven thirty seven max simulators with all this uncertainty airlines are just taking max's off the schedule which means extra scrambling during the holidays. Donna roads teaches management management at embry riddle aeronautical university. They really want the business. Airlines hate turn away people asking for seats so planes flying into smaller regional airports will be diverted to more popular hubs and airlines can lease older aircraft but if there aren't enough planes ticket prices could go up over the holidays haley. Berg is an economist at the flight app hopper. She says if grandmother's house is off the beaten path will be more difficult on some of those more a regional routes to find a seat on a plane or get a great deal price because there will be lower capacity burg says you could pay twenty five percent more than you did did last year for a flight from say pittsburgh to l._a. The upshot you might have to fly at a different time or date than you planned to get the best fair. I'm nancy marshall official genzer for marketplace on wall street today. Markets are closed in the u._s. for labor day. Global markets were mixed after yet another set of u._s. China tariffs. I went into effect yesterday. Morale that would we do the numbers quentin tarantino's latest film once upon a time in hollywood was a big hit this summer it tells the story of an actor and his stunt dont double and it really shows how much stunt workers contribute to hollywood success spy jumping off buildings letting themselves on fire crashing cars but even despite a long one man lobbying campaign the oscars have never had an award category for stunt work. Bill berry writes for vulture and he tried to find that why welcome belga hi nice to be here so tell me about jack kill the stuntman you profiled for this piece and then this quest that he's been on to create an award good for best stunt coordination. Well you know jack gill is a veteran stuntman and stunt coordinator and <hes> it was in nineteen ninety-one when he was working on a film called a stranger among us which was directed by the great sidney lumet the director of films like prince of the city and dog day afternoon and twelve angry demand and sidney lumet basically said we're gonna get you in the academy and we're gonna make this happen. You know that was twenty eight years ago and <hes> it hasn't happened since jack guilt tries every year and also a number of other people tried as well. He's he's not the only one and this is something that a lot of people are starting to feel. Oh very strongly about well. It seems like the direction that movies have taken seems to argue for it all by itself right that that movies involve more and more sensitive and now than they ever have absolutely i mean more and more hollywood is reliant on big action films or space fantasy. He's adventures things like that. <hes> and very often these films require stunts a lot of people will look at those and say well you know they do it all with computers nowadays <hes> that's not actually true if you look at the end credits of these films are often more than a hundred hundreds of stunt people credited at the end of film like avengers endgame <hes> and also the visual usual effects people. Many of them have said we wouldn't be able to do what we do. Without having great real life footage created by stunt actors offers end stunt coordinators so what's the argument against it. Why hasn't the academy let it happen. The academy is never said this is why we're not giving you this category. Sorry but obviously i'm sure there are lots of people who say well shows too long. We're trying to make things shorter. Why would we add a whole other category to it. Jack yields response to that has been listen. We would be perfectly happy with an award given during the ceremony that happens before the oscars although personally i would prefer to see the category during the actual broadcast because obviously as league clips would be great and anyone who's ever interviewed stunt people can tell you they are very entertaining speakers <hes> yeah and there's also this other you know concerned sern supposedly they'll try to make the stunts more elaborate in an effort to win oscars then you know people will get hurt and maybe even die that is not a belief expressed by anybody actually in the stunt community because all of them understand that a stunt coordinators number one job is safety. That's what they're there for. <hes> one of the things that you are you in your piece is that this could come down to a bit of a class divide right in hollywood when it comes to stunt workers and stars yeah it's. It's almost kind of history in the days. When you know the movies the silent films were westerns. They were slapstick comedies. They were adventure serials. The people that were being cast in those cases weren't being cast because they were really good looking or because they could emotive but because they knew how to fall off a horse without injuring themselves or or shoot a gun convincingly yeah i mean you know even though they were instrumental in helping build. The industry were often seen as disposable in the nineteen twenties. They were dying by the dozens and you know over the years they've they've grown in power and prestige but there is still especially among some of the you know the older guard. There's the sense that stunts aren't an art or a science <hes> which is absurd anyone who's actually seeing <hes> stunt people at work would tell you that it is actually both in our and i'm the science well so the academy did just elect a new president david reuben last month. Do you think after working on this piece were any closer. Do you think we'll see an oscar. I don't work at any point. I hope so you know jack. You'll actually told me that he made my piece to the new president's or not but <hes> this year here i think because there's a film like once upon a time in hollywood out there where you know one of the key characters is a stunt double. Even <hes> <hes> hobson shaw the new fast and furious movie. That's directed by a former stunt coordinator. They have become mainstreamed in in a way and they're more vocal and i think you know maybe the fact that the academy is itself is changing with a lot of newer members being brought in that will help as well bill. Berry is a writer editor for new york magazine and vulture. Thanks so much for the time. Thank you now onto another overlooked category of workers. The tech industry is known for its diversity issues around gender and and race but a lesser known blindspot is age. The average american worker is forty two according to the bureau of labor statistics but at the biggest tech companies research shows. It's more like twenty five to thirty five cate. Edwards is the former head of the international game developers association. She came up with a way to celebrate. Celebrate experienced tech workers like yourself with a list so my name is kate edwards and i've been in the game three for twenty six years so i am fifty four years old and one of the initiatives that i've been focused on is ageism and <hes> i came up curly in two thousand eighteen with this idea about doing a fifty over fifty list just on a whim and i was like why can't we celebrate age. Why can't we celebrate wisdom and experience at the advice of one of the people which i won't name but they're actually on the list <hes> <hes> they said you know you might want to contact everybody and make sure they wanna be on this list because to have their name on a fifty over fifty lists that actually could double down on the ageism that they might be experiencing because there might be people around them who don't know that they're that old are reached out to them. I and i asked them. Are you okay with this. And of course i was super happy because one hundred percent were just like absolutely. I don't care put me on the list. I think it's awesome there. Is this general stigma or this perception that older people they they get set in their ways. They're not into learning. The thing that i find interesting is in the fiction. We consume assume so ferociously you see older characters all the time. They serve a very important role in the hero's journey. They serve a very important role in narrative that that we love the oracle in the matrix movies and tie appear from wonder woman they served a very valuable role as a mentor and guide and why is it that that that same value that we place in older people is just not there in reality in that disconnect has always been really kind of at the forefront front. When i turned fifty years old it was a week before the game developers conference in san francisco instead of having my fiftieth birthday at home. I deferred it to the next week so our party became partially my fiftieth birthday party and i did it for a point because i wanted people to know that i'm fifty years old and i'm not ashamed i already know i'm doubly challenged because not only am i a woman in attack also over fifty now but i want that to be emphasized and i guess in a way that was sort of a kernel that led me eventually creating something like the fifty over fifty lists and that's cate edwards. She's the creator of the global gaming industry fifty over fifty list coming up as you can see the golden brown around lovely thin crispy. We are not talking chocolate. Chip cookies. People not even close but first. Let's do the numbers the u._s. Markets were closed today for the labor day. Holiday global stocks slipped amid trade tensions the u._s. and china just imposed new tariffs on each other's exports sports and that stoked fears of a possible downturn in global growth and pushed down oil prices argentina's decision to introduce capital controls wait on markets to reviving appears around emerging market economies in europe britain's footsie climbed one percent francis cac forty added two tenths of a percent. Germany's dax advanced a tenth of a percent and you're listening to marketplace. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by golden sachs for insights from leading thinkers at goldman sachs on the state of markets industries and the global economy listened to their podcast exchanges at goldman sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety of topics from a variety of sectors with far reaching implications including global and regional growth forecasts finding value in today's is investing climate the impact of technology markets and much more. That's exchanges at goldman sachs available on apple podcasts spotify stitcher soundcloud and google play and at g._s. Dot com slash podcast. This is marketplace. I'm hollywood. Oh hello all tens of millions of you who are pouring through articles and statistics and rosters years preparing your fantasy football teams for thursday's start of the n._f._l. Season we see you. I mean we literally see you not working. While the business this a fantasy football rakes in more than seven billion dollars for leagues and restaurants and bars and such all that is a little offset by the total lack of productivity in in the workplace and marketplace's euler is here to bust you again. My cousin kyle loves fantasy football. You could say he's a fanatic so i asked him how much time he spends playing the game per week for hours. A day. Seven days a week twenty eight hours he says most of that time has been listening to fantasy football podcasts. I listen podcasts while i'm getting ready for work and usually all be listening to podcasts throughout the day while i'm working. He's a bit of an outlier but he's not alone. Spending time on fantasy football at work according to a survey conducted by the lending firm up loans most people who play do the same lane caress as director of content there ninety six six point six percent of respondents reported spending time at their job working on their team nearly an entire eight hour workday per week is lost to fantasy football estimates put the number of fantasy esi football players at at least twenty million andrew challenger is vice president of the employment firm challenger gray and christmas. He says that lost time means a lot of lost money. Fantasy football could cost employers nine billion dollars in lost productivity playing the game isn't cheap either according to the fantasy sports and gaming gaming association seventy percent of fantasy sports players compete in leagues that charge a fee each player spends an average of six hundred and fifty bucks on fees each year according d'alene caress get up loans at number doesn't include the price some leagues charge if you come in last place punishments included buying drinks or a meal for everyone else hosting and paying for a super bowl party and we actually did get more than one respondent reporting their league forces the loser to get a tattoo of the winters choice although we never asked to see any photographic proof lesson seems to be if you're going to spend valuable time on playing fantasy football at least make sure you know what you're doing. That reminds me. I gotta get outta here. Got a draft in a minute. I mean dealer for marketplace a lot. More people are looking for alternatives to facebook but instead of using group chat or tick tock. What if you built your own dairy because amy is a programmer and artist who did just that his is called friend camp any published a guide i to building your own small-scale social media network darius. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me okay so in a world where everything is provided added to me in terms of social networking and chatting with my friends and finding sort of group to talk to people why should why do you recommend that we should actually build our own well. It's really about control over your own social network situation so when you're signing onto something like facebook book you are agreeing to play by their rules which is fine. Maybe it's fine for you and your purposes but to me. The problem is that facebook has to make rules. Does that work for a billion people so you're going to end up with a kind of lowest common denominator set of rules and i think those rules could be better if you just scope them down to smaller communities so that's why i'm saying small communities should have their own networks. Who's this for who should do this. You know i think right now it's people people who have safety concerns and really want to control where their information goes and who gets to see it. I think it's people who want to have <unk> a community with no targeted advertisements or algorithms that you don't control and even if it's not like oh. I personally have control all over this sort of thing. It's my friend or this person. Who i know socially does have control so i can go to them as opposed to having to try to get the attention of mark zuckerberg. It sounds like you might be saying that. Maybe community doesn't need to be a business. That is essentially exactly what i'm saying. I use the metaphor often of free public libraries as a kind kind of community mapping for this sort of thing and to talk about the money side of thing. The way that i run friend camp. Is we just have a patriotic but it's just a convenient way to collect eighteen months early dues from people who are on friend can't and people pay between zero and five dollars a month for their social media experience and it it doesn't cover my time as a developer. You know like if i were doing this job i would want to be paid a lot more money for it but because it's a service that i'm giving being myself as much as anyone else and the material costs of the hosting and domain name and all that stuff are covered by the community and so what is the ultimate goal. Do you think it's to provide people with this alternative. Should they want it and have the skills to pull it off or do you hope that you will spark something bigger. Yeah the ultimate goal is i would like this to be an option for all sorts of people not just people who know someone like me who is both technically he and community savvy so what i would like is for this kind of social media software to be available through. Do you know for example. There's like wordpress wordpress blog. There's like a hundred companies. You could go to that. You can pay x. dollars a month to and they will host your wordpress blog ugh for you so i would. I would like to see sort of the commoditisation of the hosting of that sort of thing. My next goal is to run workshops. I already have a bunch sean lined up so it's really like a person to person kind of knowledge dissemination. I just love this. This feels like the internet that i grew up on run my own email server like the good old days yeah exactly and you know and i've tried really hard to kind of separate my own nostalgia from this too which is really. 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Data and the future of money in politics with RevUp CEO Steve Spinner

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Data and the future of money in politics with RevUp CEO Steve Spinner

"The today show is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Which is the presenting sponsor of Rico decode ZipRecruiter's powerful technology finds people with the right experience for your job and actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast. Now, our listeners can try it for free ZipRecruiter dot com slash decode. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Hi, I'm Karen Swisher editor at large of Recode. You may know me as the person who egged the White House on Halloween. But in my spare time, I talk tech. And you're listening to Rico decode from the vox media podcast network today. I'm passing the microphone to Recode senior finance editor teddy schlieffer before this week's midterm elections. He sat down with Rev up CEO Steve spinner for fascinating, deep dive into the art of political fundraising. Let's take a listen. Thanks car. I'm here with Steve spinner, the founder and CEO of Rev up software. He's the campaign chair for congressman Roque Kana and he previously worked as a California finance chair through Bama, Biden twenty twelve campaign. Steve welcome to Recode decode nice to see a teddy. So we're here to talk about Steve's background and kind of political fundraising. Obviously a lot of listeners here might be kind of more familiar with startup fundraising. I used to cover in my old life campaign, finance and donors known Steve. But for folks, you don't know who you are. I want to start with. How'd you get to Silicon Valley? You're you're not from originally like so many people from California they come from elsewhere originally. Sure, I am definitely like that. I was born and bred in a Long Island New York to doctors family, and we're in New York Long Island, or if I'm supposed to correctly pronounce it Long Island, Vince island a awhile since I've had that accent. And I broke my dad's heart in college when I took economics and fell in love with that and told them I wasn't premed and ever since then worked on the east coast and worked a lot internationally in my twenties, so arcton Europe and then in Asia and then worked in Atlanta for the Olympics. And and then went to business school up in Boston. And then worked at NBC in New York at thirty Rockefeller plaza did that in late nineties when it was owned by General Electric for a number of years and what we're doing business development corporate development. So is there when MSNBC was was formed and was involved in all the internet activities that they did had a fantastic. Time there and did that for a couple years in New York City, and then an opportunity came up that if the deal happened, I knew it was going to ask me to leave the bosom of thirty Rockefeller plaza. A wonderful wonderful building to work in overlooking. The the Christmas tree sure, even though I'm proud you. And I love you could still go ice skating now that that's the, you know, there's there's some I'm not very good on skates. So, but I love the office, and then the opportunity came up and that had me come out to Californian, and I've never looked back. I still want here still with NBC then. Yeah. NBC initially was there for a number of other couple years had a wonderful ride there, and you know, had been doing business Veldman turn me into general manager, turn me into an executive and really formative years professionally for me in my late twenties early thirties, and I've been here ever since I've been here for twenty years and have done a number of startups out here have done things on the investment side. But yes, dead. Definitely get involved in politics. For the first time in two thousand five right after the the carry loss where I I started getting involved in fundraising. So growing up you were not you would you would say, you're a political junkie kind of growing up. Or is this something you've just not really know these act- opposite. I am. I am the problem with the twenty something. So I I am the epitome of that. I was very very focused on my career learning, you know, skills that I thought I would need for the rest of my life, professionally and I was not at all at all engaged. Even though I went to Wesleyan university for undergrad, and I'm proud Wesleyan graduate. I was not politically engaged in my twenties into my early thirties. And I've regretted it ever since having not been involved earlier in my life, but I made up for more than made up for it in in the year sentence area. So so in two thousand four John Kerry loses, but you said that was kind of after that that was kind of the moment where he started getting involved. What was kind of the first moment. What what was the first time you kinda gone volved campaign finance? So the first moment was a perfect example of the Silicon Valley leadership slash potential naive. Detaille, and I was the poster child for that where a little old me after the law said, you know, what maybe if I had been involved, maybe I could have had a small difference in the outcome and many of us felt the same way. And so very simple. I just called up a couple of friends of mine who had been very engaged in politics and had done at a senior level were at the time known as very very strong fundraisers. And I just said, hey, look, I can't work in politics. I don't want to work. I like being a a tech person. But I wanna get involved. I wanna help try to see if I can make a difference, albeit a small one in the aggregated adds up to a lot. If a lot of people do, and so they said that's great come to an event, you know, come contribute. That's great. I went to it in February of two thousand five who was who was the guy invited you. Well, the first one was a guy named Donnie Fowler who is running for DNC chair and the second one a few weeks later was for Senator Ted Kennedy. And after those two checks the third one that I could ask for 'em like low you haven't met my wife. These checks are are coming to fast. And they're too big. I can't afford to do all this writing. If you can't write all these things. What else can you do? And that's when they introduced me to raising which is different because I mean, you're not, you know, a billionaire your regular guy. Exactly. But the art of fundraising is there's there's kind of givers, and there's fundraisers and some people straddle it, so it's two thousand five and you're sort of introduced to this by a couple of people in Silicon Valley, and that's it. I tried to treat it like business and say, okay, if I'm going to do this. What are the right ways to do it? What are the best practices that you can share? And I was very quickly disappointed when they said, they aren't back practices fundraising. You know, you get an invitation you get an Email, you get a link, and you send it out you talk to people, and after many times many failed attempts to try to get you know, the best practices of what are the do's the don'ts. Just kind of everyone threw up their arms and just started doing it myself. And I'm sure for the first, you know, six nine months, I made every possible mistake you can every Amer. Sure thing you could do to doesn't six thousand six trying to help I was helping Marc Goldenberg with wind back the house. Venture capitalist in town. But he was major political fundraiser. It's kinda slow down. He's not as the last decade ES ever since Obama one. Yeah. But at the time he had been carries California chair what I did for Obama in two thousand twelve he did for carrying two thousand four. And so I just started helping them, and I just started realizing that there's a very high correlation to raising money for a candidate as there is raising money for a company, you have to be really passionate about what it is that you are trying to get people excited about and inspired so much that they're interested in in giving and whatever appropriate amount it is for them. And if you could just use certain skills that you would do in a business world, which is try to put the right? Ask in front of the right person at the right time and be respectful and the keyword. There is be respectful, then then people or more likely to be interested in participating, and it's the opposite of this spray and pray of sending out an Email to five thousand people or five hundred thousand people and getting. Point zero zero zero one percent to click on it and then give low medium high dollars. Mine was the opposite. Mine was a curative manner of just trying to be you know, if I knew someone like climate change to be able to put a climate change event in front of them. If I knew someone like to go to a small intimate event of six twelve you know, people to put that in front of if I knew that someone like to go to big events of a thousand people, you know, to do that if people were willing to travel to be able to do that as well. You know, the the big thing was, you know, I'm preempting this here talking about Obama. But, you know, the big event was the Obama Oprah event in montecito in Santa Barbara in two thousand seven, and you know, that was one where you know, we're involved in in the Obama campaign, and that's one that had just such interest nationally at the time. But you know, I was able to be after Oprah herself the the largest fundraiser for it just because there were so many people that would. Yeah. No. There is a there's a there's a cool picture about that. But that's about the extent of that. But let's let's drill down a little more on kind of like how fundraising is done. And what what may what you were doing different. I mean fundraising is not that different from kind of basic human relationships where you're thinking about people, you know, and you try and kind of bond with people that you, you know, you're not right. You not just going around and saying like Hello. These are the force four hundred. Let's ask each of them for twenty seven hundred dollars. It's basically you're kind of using. I'm suet shirt. I a silken valley the people, you know, in town and kinda describe like the art of the ask. How's it done? Yeah. I mean, again, the rape, prevail. Yeah. So well before Rev up and even before me, historically for fundraising at at very high levels. Let's just talk about the presidential level. Sharon, let's talk about Obama, you know, in two thousand seven since I just preempted it with my last comment about Oprah before two thousand seven what had happened in two thousand and four what happened two thousand and even in the nineties a lot of times, the the best quote, unquote, fundraise. At the time were Uber wealthy. Individuals. Who had for many many years been extremely exceedingly generous with their own funds giving to their causes more importantly giving to others causes as well. So that when they got passionate about a candidate that they wanted to see be president, and they wanted to open their home and be a fundraiser. That's when they would start cashing their chips and say, hey, remember, when I helped you with your fundraising effort over there, can I have you helped me over here with mine and there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. That's the way any type of fundraising goes, whether it be philanthropic or political. Yeah. That's the way it worked because those were big dollars being asked and given by big people, and you do it law big numbers. And those were the biggest fundraisers at the time and a lot of them got the purpose of it being the ambassadors, and so ended up some of the big fundraisers are brand marquee names. You know, the George sources of the world Oprah's the world are like celebrities kind of asking other celebrities for money. Correct. Correct. And. And that obviously could not and could not be me. I was super super excited about Senator Obama at the time. I was one of the first fifty people to get involved in the campaign. You know, months before it was officially announced in early February of two thousand seven, and I just wanted to help could not do it fulltime. Didn't wanna do it fulltime wanted to still have a job he'll have a career, but be able to help where I could which was if if I can't write a big check. And even at the time, they couldn't take twenty three hundred dollars. Max you could you could individual right, but I can help by being a fundraiser. And by being a fundraiser meant not calling all these chips because I didn't have those it was as I had mentioned just no research and get to know, my friends, and at the time I had about two thousand people that I knew broadly defined new through Lincoln Facebook. Again, it's so many years ago. This is the early stage now social media, and I would just be very very careful about just understanding, and I'd have copious notes copious pads of paper about who liked what you know. As I was mentioning earlier who liked to go to events or small events, or who could write big checks or write only small checks who could like to travel for events who liked to go to a climate change event or a women's only event at the time. And I was just always tried to be very very careful to put the right? Ask him from the right person that right time. And if you do that you do that. Well, then rather than this point zero zero one yield that online does is you get forty percent yield fifty sixty seventy and obviously at you. It's I mean, it's not this is very much underdog story. But it's not as if you had news zero people have kind of means in America, of course. Yeah. Right. I mean, I knew some, but I mean, I didn't know him necessarily in this vein so much, and I it's just when you write when you take an Email, you just customize top line of it. And you just recognize that, you know, teddy great senior the other day. I know you like to go to I know you're particularly interested in climate change events. Here's a really good one for you. All of a sudden, you're going to read that Email. You're going to recognize that that's a unique Email that was sent to you. And there is a highly. Likelihood higher yield potential from that. Let's talk about. I mean, you you're very very successful. I mean, you know, I think they're in two thousand twelve or jumping around a little bit. But twelve your top five. So I started on so in two thousand seventeen thousand eight top ten. Yup. And who were some other people in in your kind of stratosphere? Well, I mean, it wouldn't be, you know, a lot of names that people that follow here would would necessarily recognize and so forth. But you know, there were there were a lot of traditional fundraisers in there. And I was one of the few first time about people in the top thirty. And it was something. I was exceedingly proud of. But what the campaign was really excited was was the way that we did it. It was the first time that people had used quote, unquote, data in a way that it was now it'd be defined as data analytics, Jack, then it certainly wasn't that cat classification, and they liked it. We got some great press around it. And it continued the momentum in two thousand twelve I took that to a whole new level in two thousand twelve I was reported as being top three got an in the country, and how much how much of that as much respect a lot. Good thing about this like you you can see kind of campaign disclosures. But campaign fundraising is in some ways like venture fundraising. It's very competitive. There's there's, you know, there is some ego involved in kind of who's raised wad. And you know, so Steve is kind of focused more on you know, on on raising. What is now twenty seven hundred hour chunks, but just for folks who are not aware. I mean, there's a whole world of which we can get into a bit couple of so called soft money, which is super PACS and millions of dollars. And that's not the world. That's not the world. I live in. I I liked the hard money the official the FCC reported money where people are proud to to make the contribution. And there are limits. There are limits. I like a world delimits, and I would deal with everything from the max of, you know, not just the twenty-seven hundreds. But to the committees of the DNC's, the SEC triple C's, the victory funds and so forth, which would be up to seventy five thousand dollars in total. But not this stuff that you read about the hundreds of thousands, certainly millions or even tens of millions of dollars. That's a world that I. I have not played in for professional political and personal regions. Do you ever kind of like just like step back reflecting? How crazy the last like, you know, I'm sure like, you know, you were talking about four about how you never really been in grow. You didn't grow up kind of seeing yourself with some political animal, but like you kind of made into the top tier of finance folks, basically just through hard work and kind of an innovative idea that I'm going to be more strategic beheads done. But also, I appreciate that. And there is obviously a great amount of truth to that. But it's also to do it in a way that is putting the donor. I, you know, being respectful. I mean, and I've said that a couple times I say that zillion times like respect in fundraising. I can't say that enough. How important that is not just for me? But for anyone who wants to do it, whether it be for politics, or whether it be for nonprofits, or or academic fundraising anything you do if you compete respectful of the other person, you're more likely to have a positive outcome. And they'll feel really good about it as well. And then the last thing is that you had mentioned the competitiveness of. Yeah. Absolutely. Historically, it had been terribly competitive. And in some cases, it's still persists. What I've always enjoyed is working collaboratively working in teams sharing credit that the whole is greater than the individual parts. And so it's not just the individual fundraising. I did. But you know, I wrote the business plan for tech for Obama wrote the business plan for Obama victory. Trustees at the business plan for south Asians for Obama because you know, obviously, the the white Jew in me. You know that you that's obvious that I would. But that those efforts together raise many, many many multiples of what is in individual could. But you do it in. So that everyone participates everyone gets credit for you. You know, it's the it's the big ten kind of thing. And that's where the real value of what I was able to do, you know came in. 'cause you know, my time there's only certain amount of time. I can volunteer fundraiser. There's only so many people, I know, but if you build initiatives that take hold that grow roots, and that not just one or five or ten or twenty people, but one hundred or three hundred people can participate in and they can make their own then you can have this huge huge huge multiplier effect and raise that much more money. 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Try ZipRecruiter for free by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash decode. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash decode back to you teddy. We're back here with Steve spinner at the CEO of Rev up. So let's finish the story or so after twenty twelve you've kind of pioneered this new way, you're still fundraising voluntarily I'm still doing manually manually. This is an member you didn't grow up dreaming of inventing, political fundraising soft absolutely not how did this idea for Rev up come about. So one of my closest friends as Rokon d had been running for congress. And you know, obviously I wanted to help him. I was helping him. On the fundraising side, and a lot of opportunity came up where you know, people had been reaching out to me about what I'd been doing for Obama. And would that be available? What I helped them individually for this racer that race, etc. And it's just one of those things where there's only one of me, and it's flattering there is I don't like to say, no. But I just don't have enough time to say yes to everyone. What's your what's your day job at this point? At that time. I was f-. I I was helping while I I helped with Obama with the reelect, and I was playing what to do next. Yeah. So I was helping RoH from a campaign perspective. But I was getting ready to either join, you know, a tech company out here or start my next thing got it. And so in that period of time figuring out what I wanted to do next. I realized what we had done what we had accomplished for Obama world had been, you know, really unique and really successful. And it was something unique that that I had done and that there could be an opportunity to help many many campaigns. And so that's what I wanted to do. And so we started doing that spoke to the lawyers made sure that we could do the way we wanted to do it because it had never been done before spoke to both sides of the aisle because the only way you could do what I wanted to do is if it was not a partisan play. And even though I'm a democrat. And I'm a well known democrat from the gecko since incorporation we had to treat it like a tech company, which means just like, Google, and Twitter and Facebook and Salesforce, you know, works with anyone out there that wants to buy the software or leverage technology. See we would have to be the same thing, which you know, politically is is a challenge for me, but professionally and personally you have to do I have a fiduciary responsibility. What's best for for the company for investor investors? And that the the product could thrive if it just had more people using it and testing in and Soviet and so rose are for our prototype. Client, then we moved to fifteen clients for the next year. And then we moved to fifty clients after that, and these are clients our campaigns, and or committees or organizations they're trying to raise money that are in the political 2013 now two thousand fourteen twenty four twenty idea came to me in two thousand thirteen but we started building the software in February of two thousand fourteen got it. And so as I said, rose or prototype and that year and now he's not he's been on podcast before. He's now the congressman for Silicon Valley. He is he's he loves coming down here. Good. So let's let's just showed on a little bit more of what this is. So I mean in the old days. I mean, there was kind of you know, there were professional political fundraisers who probably had something that they would call software. What what is Rev up and half? How does it work in? I know it'd be easier on if shown econ or phone computer screens, but like verbally give it a shot. Oh, I can communicate verbally. So so for anyone out there listening imagine, you're someone that you're inspired by candidate. Or you're inspired to help out a nonprofit or someone, you know, reaches out to you from a campaign or from your university that you went to or nonprofit that you're supporting and ropes you into brings you into to be a fundraiser, the initial use case for the software was a as a fundraiser tool for a a volunteer for a bundler as they call them. And if you put yourself in that light is everyone's imagining that you all have jobs, you all do something else for your life. If you're going to do this is not something that you have comfort in its outside of your day job. And so you've committed you've said, yes. I'll help and you're sitting in front of your computer, and you have no idea who you should ask to help. And we all know, many people's everyone knows hundreds of people some of us even know thousands of people. Well, what do you do you have two choices? You can either send out one Email about the opportunity that you're fundraising for to everyone. That's not fundraising that spamming your network and hoping that some people respond, but that's actually what the vast vast vast majority of people do BCC. Hi, I'm trying to raise a million dollars for examples. Can you give twenty seven hundred bucks or twenty seven dollars five dollars? And that's just spamming your network, and whatever comes in you've raised. So in that case, you're a fundraiser in a lot of times most of it, you won't get and it's kind of like a low dollar approach to high-dollar giving. Right. But anyone that's doing? It's an any dollar a dollar approach. The only way that they know how because their time is valuable, and they have no information John to know any better to do any better. They're doing the best that they can with limited information. And that's the whole point the other way of doing it is that you say, you know, what an individual. Ask or an individual Email or an Email to a small group of people that's customized is likely to have a higher yield. But who should I ask I still know the same thousands of people? And so you sit there and you start thinking through your your Rolodex or thinking through your, you know, mental contact lists here. And maybe even you might actually even look through your Lincoln lists and so forth, and you're one by one by one going through this in as you're doing like, this is the most unprofessional inefficient way possible. And you get frustrated, and you push your computer when you procrastinate, and that's simple active procrastination causes at fundraising effort to fail by fifty percent right there and every day that you continue to procrastinate at another five percent to the failure rate until finally eventually like oh my God. There's only six days to the event and I haven't done much. I gotta buckle down and do it. And you start just reaching out to top of mind people that come to people that you think are individually wealthy people. You think individually might be interested in this people that oh, you chits just completely top of mind as you're doing it. You're like ninety five percent of the people I should be reaching out to. I'm not reaching out to. I'm reaching out onto a whole bunch of people that I probably shouldn't be reaching out to and I'm never going to do this again, and it usually fails. So with that in mind, we said that's the problem. No one in business would conduct their work that way, just winging it sending out one Email to every vendor out there and hoping that someone replies or just without any research reaching out to people indiscriminately, we would do research. We would try to handle it in her in a professional efficient manner. We don't do that in fundraising. So what saw what the software does is. We said, it's it's so it's data analytics on the fundraising side, it is not the system of record. It's not the Sierra. So we don't compete with any of the companies out there that take the money through their system. So actually raising the money. It's the way to organize the context of a racing. We're not the links yet at the money's going into. And so there are a bunch of different companies out there of all different sizes. Those are all of our partners. We are very very careful not to to do anything like that. What we do is. We help the fundraiser or. Now, we also help disproportionately even the finance staff the development staff, the advancement office, the tool now has transitioned even more so into a staff driven. We'll talk tools, what are you guys doing it? So now as a bundler if that same analogies now with one click you can upload your g mail your outlook your linked in your contacts your iphone contacts. Any excel spreadsheet CS feeless you have and if you know thousands of people it'll merge purge them, clean them all up single Rolodex. And and then it goes out to thousands of political and charitable databases, and it will bring all that data put it against your contacts. Put it against the profile of the organization that you're raising for and based on that profile of that organization, and all those ten thousand databases will then force rank every single person, you know, high slowest likelihood to be interested in potentially giving. So that point it's like, you know, you have let's let's raising for O'Connor's campaign, and you have someone in Palo Alto. Who is a doctor who's give. Money to Democratic Congress congressional candidates. Sometimes not always maybe they're South Asian, and then you know, you matches up with okay, ro Khanna. He's a new candidate. He's South Asia, it matches up and says, okay. Maybe this person is a, you know, a you should they should be in the seventy fifth percentile for the people you call. And then someone else who you know is only given Republicans for their entire life. But the last six years every single Democrats, suddenly it's an easy ask it's basically a way ordering the thousands of people, you know, into high sch- prioritize your time. Right. Right. So the the part that I'm particularly attracted to is not going back to the same well over and over and over again, and that's a major major problem in political giving is that the same people are getting hit up many times every single day if you can believe this only two percent of the US population gives money to politics Tyler. I thought actually and most of that money is by point. One of one percent. Sure. And so everyone calls the same folks. And everyone really really calls that point one percent. And so yes, the software will certainly have that two percent in there. And certainly will have the point one percent in their annual say have, you know, have they given before. But they haven't given currently have they given less now than they normally give go back and ask for more. Have they given to other things like you? But they don't know you. So maybe if they only knew you they'd wanna give to you. Absolutely. We go, and there's many different types of filters, and and parts of the algorithm that'll boost people up and boost people down of people that have historically given. Joe, absolutely. My passion this to go after the other ninety eight percent introduce it to people that have never been given before. And so the Rokon example, as as I mentioned sure there are some wonderful donors in the tack in the South Asian community that have given to politics, but those those obvious people, and those have been some of his does it'd be like top of mind person, maybe entity MU. Personality m-, you need the software for exactly well. No, you always need some clear. Always always always need to know in what order and how fast, and what's the likelihood, and what's the appropriate ask and all that good stuff again, and you're trying to be respectful here. But the power of it was to go and identify people who had never written. A check is on. No one's list. But maybe because they're a South Asian male Intech living in Silicon Valley. Yeah. Maybe you know, rather than a ninety or eighty or seventy score rather than getting a zero score. Maybe get a forty three score. And you focus your time and energy on people in the sixties and the fifties in the forties people that no one talks to no one reaches out minute. Most people don't even know the exist. But because there's there are hooks respectful hooks of potential interest of tractive -ness of a connection that campaign or that organization or that university might have with that person. Isn't it a better thing to grow the pie and go after people that nobody goes after to and there's a much higher likelihood of them saying yes because there's no competition. For the same dollar. What what into pushback being? I'm sure you've heard before that like part of any human relationship is just like the soft, touch and the the ability to, you know, maybe maybe there's some there's, oh, you know, they don't kind of check any demographic or historical attributes that would indicate this person likely to give and maybe you're just really good friends with them, and you feel like sure, and or or maybe, you know, you saw them last week at the coffee shop, and there's just that human connection that like the software can predict how do you deal with that? I mean, look, you should always preference. People you know, and touch points that are more current and more, you know, accurate. So if you know in in things about people that are outside of software that Trump's anything that any software. So even if it says, it's persons not a giver, and you like you just have a maybe something in your belly. That makes you think this person will give you still hit them up. Right. They're not a giver yet. That's all things. They haven't given yet. That's the part that I find is both the opera. Unity as well as to challenge, and I'd like the opportunity part. So let's not go back on what you're doing. Now, you guys just raised seven million dollars announced last week or a couple ago. Yep. Week you by the time is is Aaron probably couple of weeks ago. This is this. You know, your background is in politics. This came up as a political idea, but you mentioned development offices endowments like just for the grand scheme of things political fundraising the very small amount of fund the fundraising world overall. Correct. So this is a bid to kind of make, you know, the Princeton University development office or a hospital or anybody that's raising money. You're kind of now pitching this as a software for anybody who has to kind of a database to figure out who to call. Exactly. So if you think about giving last year in fundraising in the United States, it went up to across four hundred billion dollars that this country was generous to open up their wallets and gif of that only seven billion in total over two years in the. Cycle goes to politics. So people act like I mean, that's that's always common criticism of campaign. Finance report for reformers who say there's so much money in politics. And I think it's Mitch McConnell. Maybe John banner is this quote about more money being spent on toothpaste, then on politics exactly that that is an unfortunate show. The reason why that is. If he feels the way it is is that so much money is used on broadcast television because it's still exceedingly effective to getting out the message, so everyone sees it. And so they say more money more ads, and you just get over saturated with ads, and the other reason why is that a very very small percent of the population is just getting hit up so much, and they're very very vocal about that as they should be. And so that's why why you're getting that that view so the much larger market by so many orders of magnitude are nonprofits at large, and especially as you mentioned higher, Ed and healthcare as very large components within that. And so that is what we're doing with the south. We've had a very successful couple years coming out with you know, first prototype. Alpha beta coming on a south mode couple years ago, growing we now serve over nearly about three hundred campaigns and committees and so forth, and we'll continue to grow that. Next year will be super exciting given that'll be presidential cycle. And and so many races as. Well there, but we did do the financing to very specifically go into the larger markets. Yeah. And do what we do in data analytics working with the Sierra M's with MS partners. But now go into these larger categories and do exactly what we've done in politics into these larger categories because their they're chomping at the bit for next generation type of tools. He's a pretty Stott not stodgy institutions, but like they had our formal development offices. These are. I mean, is there any is there any party that like that worries about just some of the skills, not translating of the software, not translating? I mean, they're like everyone does it in their own way. They're certainly best practices of how a lot of these organizations do it, and these are very very professional people the larger the organization, the more people, they have and the more structured, they they tend to be and as a result, the more professional. They can be the, you know, the more staff that can have more tools that can have more training, etc. But everyone me there half a million non. Profits. Everyone's raising. I just depends on how much you know, how much resources you have at your at your disposal. And so we just want to be a tool to complement what they're currently using a lot of these guys are using whether it be razor's edge of black Bod, or they're working with Salesforce and probably a hundred other companies out. There was a system of record to be able to help them on the data analytic side for both staff as well as volunteers to have the same level of effect in those verticals as I'm honored to say that we've had success this last few years. I mean, we've we've been just blessed with all the awards in the industry that we've won we won best fundraising technology most innovative product of the year two years row best startup s analytics, we we deployed our mobile app last year, we won the award for best mobile app. And so what we're doing as a data analytics company has not been done before in these three verticals and what I'm super proud of where I've lift last two decades is to be Silicon Valley company bringing Silicon Valley tech to these three. Articles that have historically not had the opportunity to benefit from that. At least from a data analytics perspective cut. It weren't take another quick break. We'll be back after this with Steve spinner, the CEO of Rev up, and we'll talk a little bit more of a politics. Thanks teddy. Today's show is brought to you. By Ocoee, pop culture is full of evil robots program to take over the world. And the real world is full of air. 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Decode that's A N K I dot com slash Rico, decode enter the promo code Rico decode for a ten percent discount. Hi, this is Karen Swisher host of Rico decode I want to jump from the red chair to the red circle for a minute and talk to you about a new podcast from our friends at Ted in their new podcast. Ted interview head curator, Chris Anderson sits down with some of your favorite Ted speakers to take a deeper dive into their big ideas, you'll hear from people like bail project CEO, Robin Steinberg discussing how she's disrupting the cruelty of America's cash bail system and Islam scholar Dahlia mega head on the actual beliefs of Muslims around the world. You can find the Ted interview on apple podcasts or wherever you listen back to you teddy. We're back here with Steve spinner, the CEO of Rev up. So this is software that your back yard, or you know, it's well and on the internet, you're democrat. But this the software where you're definitely kind of using their some prominent Republican clients out there, how do you kind of balance, you know, I guess limit to describe how much did you politically personally these days? Yeah, I've had to cut back in many. Cases, which is very very hard for me on a personal level because that's my Genesis and all this. But like, for instance, you know, we'll be very involved in in the presidential races next year. And I won't as an individual be able to participate because how can I be personally helping one when I'm working with five ten fifteen twenty people that may or may not be running. Sure. So on a personal level. I've had to do some cutting back. I mean, I still help this candidate over here this candidate over there, obviously are so connersville helping RoH there's this guy Shri Kulkarni in in Houston, Texas, who is a very very exciting candidate. That is basically the row equivalent on the foreign policy side, he's fourteen years State Department, and in a bunch of different very very challenging environments placements. He's been over the years. He speaks six languages fluently. Very exciting candidate there that's running in a Houston district. And so I've been helping them as well. So I still help. Number candy's here there, but where I really really dug in it was national finance committee, and chairman of this or co chairman of that and so forth. I probably won't be able to do give this fancy titles. But how can you do that when you were helping them from a professional purposes, and and that's the whole point which is that's how I can work with Republicans as well as Democrats. That's how I can work with multiple Democrats in the same race. You know, here we are. I'll be kicking all higher. You know? They can always the software. Right. I mean here we are in the state of California, and you know, on the DEM side there they'll be racist where there were four five six candidates in the same race for a congressional district that we just experienced for the last year and a half year and in June. You know, most of those all but one or two will lose, but we were able to help with multiples of them because you know, we're we're just a tech company. So if you pick exclusives, then you're trick trying to pick horses. You're not really tech company whatsoever. Part of the advocacy apparatus. Yeah. And that's just you. You can't build a trying to be like a Google Facebook software platform that folks can use or not use. And that's an you'd nets independent though. From like, hi, Steve spinner. I wasn't Obama finance. Exactly, exactly. And so that's the only way that people trust you that you're going to treat them the same as the other people because you treat everyone the same. And we try our best from a customer service partner success perspective to treat everyone exactly the same. And you know, I mean people that know that we have multiple clients in the same sector. It's never been an issue in four years people that know that we sometimes have clients on the opposite side of the aisle. It's never been an issue in four years where I take that as a one of the things I'm honestly most proud of is because I'm a proud DEM. And I'm a card carrying scar ridden them that I can meet with Republicans. I mean, where did I meet Utada? You originally I'm at Romney e to conference exact was covering was CNN. So what is the talk? Talk about how fundraising has changed a little bit over over time. You know, you start in two thousand five is pre citizens. United one of the keys prem- court decisions that create super PACS. And I think there's been a lot of discussion in the media and people in my industry used to cover political money about has Trump changed the game at all with fundraising. I'm just curious if someone's raising, you know, we're coming up on twenty twenty cycle is fundraising different than it was a decade ago. It's much larger. I mean, it's much larger and it's much more successful online than it's been every four years. You get this new bar that across is you didn't think it can get any more successful than that. And of course for years later. It's twice as much as it was before. So. Yeah. So it continues to evolve there's still a long long ways to go. There is a certain amount of marrying of you know, spray and pray blind fundraising just increase the size of the list. And you don't care about discerns online, low yeller, you know, you're on the Email list. And and that's a whole other industry. It's not your industry. It's not me at all. And I can't stand it. But because it's the opposite of of the respect part that I talk about how many hundreds of Email fundraising emails. Do we all get every day for ninety nine point of them that that I can't stand? But they also have awesome screaming headline like, you know, the country is in crisis. Well, that's actually one of the things that's helped, you know, worse in the narrative in politics, and it's on both sides. Pox on everyone. You know, the the big changes that have happened, and there are many people that would that would say this. I'm not the only one is the Democrats historically always had a huge huge advantage with small dollar online donating and that started with Howard Dean in two thousand four and it's only picked up ever since for the first time ever in the last couple of years, the Republicans with Donald Trump was able to do a certain amount of that. And do it quite effectively in two thousand fifteen especially two thousand sixteen and that's persisted through this cycle through the fundraising that they've done on the RNC side, but outside of that one anomaly there on the Republican side, there's still a huge difference huge competitive advantage of small dollar on the democrat side than than on the Republican side. The other thing is that Democrats have act blue which really is a portal, which you want to strap it. Yeah. No. I mean, it is. It's just it's a way to be able to easily make multiple donations over time stores. All your information makes recommendations and silver. And it's it's just been very very successful for Democrats. And you know, they have a company called N G P van which is one of our partners. That's also, you know, very very good at being the system of record. And so the technology has always been historically an advantage on the DEM side, especially as as it deals with small dollars on the big dollars, and especially on the soft money dollars. Republicans have or have historically always had a lead on that. Especially of obviously ever since citizens United. Let's just explain it for folks, I mean, so basically the way that most lots of campaign dollars were raised today. An old only way they're really raised. Precepts? United was the federal limit for how much candidate can how much donors can give to a campaign or committee an afternoon's United created the creation of super PACS pools a cash where people can cut checks unlimited size. And that's kind of what a lot of the headline grabbing stories are Peter Thiel getting a million. The club for growth or shown adults getting twenty five million dollars to you know, kind of a party sponsored Senate superpac. That's kind of what people think of when they're like when they read a campaign finance story. But then there's also just kind of I mean, twenty seventy dollars is not nothing, obviously. But it's not five twenty five from Sean Nelson. Right. So you have the soup wreck where you can write unlimited, and it's disclosed correct? There's also right unlimited and it's still not disclosed. And that's what they call dark money. Thankfully, that's decreased. But that's still that's still something. I'm very very uncomfortable with and, you know, many many people are very very uncomfortable democrat houses a lack of disclosure, right? I mean, there are some Democrats that were more more and more comfortable at this is kind of a pit is by Charles and David coke who created a large network organizations that are five and four so their tactics biggest sort of tech tax exemptions an exchange for being theoretically, non advocacy organizations. But I, but the thing is I I'm. Always very protective and defensive of donors when they give hard money up to the max. And when I say that protected meaning that they're allowed to do it. And if they wanna do at once that's great if they want to do it, you know, twenty five hundred times they should be allowed to do that. And they shouldn't be hit for donating. I have a problem when donors get hit because they support when they criticize all public information public information. They're required to, but you know, they're doing what they're allowed to do because they're inspired to do that. There's something about that candidate that they like a lot, and they can't necessarily give time they can't actually travel for them. But they can write, you know, two hundred fifty dollars. They can write maybe twenty seven hundred dollars. They shouldn't become part of an attack ad and some people do that to the citizens on both sides. Right. I mean, there are well, no, it's usually on the Republican side to Democrats, historically, but but where it's really gotten bad is on the on the the larger checks, the soft money where you now those guys are writing the large checks they're getting head, and you know, in many cases. They deserve to get hit for that. I like to protect up to the max, the twenty seven hundred and then beyond that, it's discretion. Well, Vivey the, you know, there's this to change with Harry Reid countries. Charles and David Koch. For instance, not used to be household names. They're obviously extremely wealthy. But just became a big deal when Harry Reid who kind of went out there and attacked the coke string twenty twelve campaign by name. I think on the Senate floor, you know, I mean that's on the soft money on the on the big seven eight nine sure figures, I'm always very very protective of you know, when expressing their democratic right twenty seven hundred bucks or two hundred fifty I saw I actually saw a demo on them hit piece last week. It's right here in the bay area to Democrats and assembly race. And I saw someone doing an online posting their where they just were hitting people writing to injure fifty or five hundred thousand dollars because they were supporting the other candidate that really kind of upsets me. Yeah. I think it's two hundred two hundred dollars, right? FBI a bio beyond that. When you start getting named and campaign-finance I'd love to hundred yet. Right. You have to just go out there you. Yeah. If you give more in two hundred dollars, you will be final Bobo people like me, and I guess people like Steven and other folks as well Trump. I mean, do you. I mean, you know, this is the most Republican side there's argument to me I wrote a lot of stories about kind of Trump's fundraising woes during two thousand sixteen. There was a lot of Republican donors like the folks that the Romney summit we were just talking about who felt you know, Trump is running against the system drain the swamp. And I think it's kind of led to at least some budding conventional wisdom that political fundraising doesn't matter anymore. Trump can just you know, cog, the airwaves, the whole point of raising money presumably to buy media attention to what extent do you think like he has actually kind of change how political fundraising could be done at least. I mean, you know, this is a much longer conversation than the last few minutes of this. I mean, he's he's definitely changed some aspects of it. Absolutely. But I do not believe that in the next cycle for the reelect. If he is the candidate on the Republican side that the media will do in that race, even as a sitting president what they did in the last one because it was you know, it was comedy coverage. Yeah. Just it was Trump twenty four hours a day on all networks, not just the on the FOX's. But you know, he was also on MSNBC all the time. And as a sitting president there even now starting to cut back. There's been a lot of news about that over the last month month and a half that one of the reasons why I always president live anymore. Well, one of the reasons why the presence going out so much is because you know, a lot of his comments or not getting covered as much and and the rallies, even those are not getting covered as much and so he's trying to say things that are that are newsworthy or he's trying to make the news worthy to force him to get coverage. Like what he did last night in Montana because people are trying to cut back on that. Because he realized that it is an unfair advantage. I mean, he he won. Disproportionately whether many reasons why the Trump won last cycle. But one of them is that he just had so much earned media that he didn't have to pay a penny for and ten times more than his closest competitor in one hundred times more than some of his other competitors. You don't feel you feel like that was a moment in time that Trump was because he was maybe there was a media fascination with him. And you know, he obviously also self-funded somewhat. You know, he's self-funded is Republican primaries almost entirely he he gave some money not as much as he promised to give during the general to his campaign. But I mean at least in the primary, right? I mean, he was outspent. And you know, that was the whole, you know, he loves to make fun of Jeb Bush rights. That's how he was able to make up for the shortfalls. Right. You know, he did fund himself to the level that he needed to get in the game and have a team that he needed, but he was able to more than make up for it with his comments that caused him to get all this extra median, you know, he starts out as having higher name ID than almost anyone else. On the stage. And so when you start out just by your name ID from TV from the apprentice being able to have fifteen seventeen eighteen percent support and name ID of thirty five forty five. Maybe even up to sixty percent name. I d how is anyone else supposed to be able to compete? As it is not necessarily that consequential for kind of the way that your business, a political fundraising has done. No, not from me. You still have to fund your campaigns th the part that actually gets me excited from a Reva perspective is historically money is the number one. And the only one that matters in can you do you make a decision to run for office or not can I raise the money? And if you believe you can raise the money, then you raise your hand and you run for office. I actually hate that. I believe that money should not be the reason why you decide to run for office. It should just be part of the of the execution plan. You should run for office. Because you think you can do a better job that you can help people and you can move in a positive direction, and what Rev up can do in politics. What Reva can especially due for nonprofits? And universities is lower the bar for you to more easily be able to raise the amount of money you need if you're Kim. To run a competitive race, you agree in general with candidate you that money is necessary amount sufficient for competitiveness. Yes. Idea that only to have the same amount. You don't you? Absolutely. Don't need to have minimum threshold for there's need to have you know. Nine hundred thirty million dollars in a month to to be a competitive candidate. And he might lose. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Or you know, you can have racist where you're raising twenty eight million dollars. And you lose like crazy to someone who you've raised three or four times more money. You can have other races where you raise, you know, one million dollars, and it's one fourth the amount of money as the other person and you win handily. Yup. So but you have to raise a certain amount to get in the game. You have to raise to be able to have a team and to be able to get your message out. And there are other things that matter. Absolutely. That's why it's called a campaign. There are many facets of it. But money gets you in the game. And I that's what Reva is focused on in politics is to lower the bar to make it easier for you to raise the minimum that you need to to be able to run a competitive race. And the same thing fulfil the entire mission and charter for a nonprofit and a in a university. Right. Doesn't mean you're win. But at least you can kind of play the game. Exactly. 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20190104 Nicole Sandler Show -Honoring Progressives with John Nichols

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20190104 Nicole Sandler Show -Honoring Progressives with John Nichols

"The following program contains graphic material, including offensive language, your this question is advised without bringing the hell. Oh, democratic government could exist. We switch you now. Alum Sunday on looking out over London. Good evening from our CBS news room in New York and DC presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from ABC this is world news tonight Jennings in London Robinson in Chicago. And from our desk in Washington Frank rebel to this historic legislation to tell cases law. Dads out the in. When the price is free, the people of a country three when the brush is free, though, people of a country are endangered of flavoring. Before we information and the views of people making the news. It's been a cold Sandler shawl on the calls. Handler dot com and the progressive voices networks. We made it to a Friday. Welcome to it everyone. I I'm starting the show live because I need to reiterate something that I play at the beginning of every show. Here we go again the following program continued graphic material, including offensive language, you're this question this advise, apparently there's a collective outrage around the country because a new member of congress. Used a an expletive. Oh my fucking God. All right. I got a little something. I put together for you. Well, it shows you kind of what's on the mind of Democrats right now they're into name calling even had one of the congressmen yesterday. Call the president Hitler. Now, she's using obscene language to describe this president, listen, if they want to come to Washington, and engage in this type of nasty ridiculous outrageous rhetoric. This is Trump's focusing on the issue at hand is this type of rhetoric while it may ratchet up a few folks on their side. It's not going to do anything to fix the real problems. We face in this country. Hey, HOGAN Gidley. Fuck you you and you win when your son looks at you and says momma, look, you one bullies. Don't let a baby they talked because we're going to go in there. And he's the motherfucker. That's a bad word. No, bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad intentions and words, you know, the seven don't you that you can't say on television shit, piss fuck concoc- sucker motherfucker and tits. He said motherfucker. Those are the heavy seven. Those are the ones that will infect your soul curve your spine. Keep the country from winning the war. Ship is fucked. Cock sucker motherfucker and tits. Wow. You know, what happened in the last congress when Republicans were in the majority, you know, what our freshman class did right? They put a resolution together to actually work with one another to not use foul line. And they got almost every single freshmen to sign onto this is the difference with this new congress, and it's wrong. The president referred to win four states who within your caucus called the president met. I think a lot of them did in that process. I could have one man say Weiner taxing twenty five percent, and I can say another. The need to say. Sandwich. Saying none of the words belong on the list. But you can understand why some of them are they're not completely insensitive to people's feelings. I can dig why some of those words got on the list. Like cock sucker. Motherfucker those. Was there heavyweight words? The locked on there. We haven't by the prison. Besides the literal translation and the motion feeling I mean, they're just busy word. There's a lot of syllables to tell. Cave regressive. Sounds they jumped out. Fleck an assault on. I can dig. The late great George Carlin when I heard all this outrage over a word. Oh my God. The first thing I thought of was George carlin's seven dirty words. They're fucking words. God, dammit, and these holier than thou assholes get up there. Kevin McCarthy was the one who said this what happened in the last congress when Republicans were in the majority what our freshman class did they put a resolution together to actually work with one another to not use fouling really got almost every single freshmen to sign onto almost every single freshman. But what about the president of the fucking United States will beat the shit out of them? Let them beat the shit out of ISIS. Also, they're ripping the shit out of the we're going to knock the shit out of ISIS knocked nice guy. Bertha's Mike says the son of a bitch to put it in you shouldn't pay the best. But it's political bullshit. She said he's a pussy, and you can tell them to go themselves. Get a reason in price. What kind of people do we have? I moved like a bitch. I couldn't get there. And she was married and all of a sudden, I see you. She's now got the big phony tits. And she's totally changed. Automatically attracted to just kissing a maggot. And when you star they let you do it. You can do anything grabbing by the Percy Graham by the pussy the on by the pussy five words that this president is most known for and they're complaining that a young vibrant awesome. New member of congress got exuberant at a move on celebration the night, the new congress began where's the criticism of that vulgar piece of shit? Oh, see they're saving their. Oh. Hold on. My my husband's calling. Hello. Why are you calling? What could what could possibly be more obscene than a president that calls clansman fine people? That's a good question or you know, he talks about well. I've got he's having this this ridiculous probably still rambling on in the rose garden with with another insane stream of consciousness press conference answering questions yet not really answering anything making shit up as he goes along. I'm sorry. I find his lies a hell of a lot more offensive than somebody saying motherfucker. Mother. Fuck him. Okay. Anything else? I love you magic. All right. Love you tip. Thanks, david. But that was my husband in case, you're wondering. Yeah. So of course, this only comes from the latest Republican freak out when Samantha b had the nerve to say this. If Trump who works at the White House chose to post the second most oblivious tweet we've seen this week. You know, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child, but let me just say one mother to another do something about your dad's immigration practices. You feckless. Tight and low cut until your father to been stop it. Tell him it was in Obama thing and see how it goes. Okay. Okay. C N cheat wanted to she took so much flak for that. It's a word as I tweeted out a few minutes ago, sticks and stones may break, my bones. But words will never hurt me mother fuckers. This outrage is just unbelievable. But but that wasn't the only outrage there was something else that Trump was all all bent out of shape on. And I don't know because this word thing really got my he can go on and be the most offensive creature on the planet. He can he can jail children immigrant families and young children. He can put them in cages their border control agents can kick them and abuse them. And in some cases, rape them. Children can die in there. Fucking custody and your outreach by by a curse word. Sorry Jackson, doesn't like it. When I shout. He gets scared. I'm just the whole thing is outrage. And then the latest is did I not pull the clip over here shit hold on because just a few minutes ago during this rose garden here, it is this rose garden so called news conference at their holding. He and he goes in the press briefing room, where they do presidents have in the past held news conferences, and he does this bullshit statement that that I don't know. He didn't say anything yesterday saving today. He doesn't take questions in the White House briefing room. But then he goes out and holds court in the in the rose garden today, again lying about everything. But as so this he was asked this question. This was a good one. You also said you said in the meeting this is him quoting you. I just want to check that the shutdown could go on for months or even a year or longer. Did you say that your did is that where we are here? I will. But I am prepared. And I think I can speak for Republicans in the house and Republicans in the Senate, they feel very strongly about no you can't having any country having a border that makes sense without borders. I've said it many times we don't have a country. I hope it doesn't go on even beyond a few more days. Shut up. I can't take him. I actually tried to sit down and watch them this. I got the show all set up for today. And was ready made my daily peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch. I know I'm healthy eater. What can I say and turned on the TV and saw this travesty taking place? So there's dump in the rose garden surrounded by Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise. Oh, cure Ston Nielsen and who also Mitch McConnell, of course, conspicuously absent. And and he was just spewing out the lies. Now. I thank you chat room for reminding me, what the other outrage was there outraged. I tell you just outraged that Alexandra Cossio Cortez danced in college. How dare she danced in college? She was dancing on a rooftop. She was doing some fun thing. It was just youthful fun. She was a college student. She was at Boston University. And I give her all the credit in the world. I wish I was that carefree and fun loving when I was in college. I was the same feisty bitch that I am today. Although I did know how to have a little bit of fun anyway. And they're bitching about the fact that she's dancing. These people have a serious problem. Yeah. Dancing. How dare she? Unbelievable. All right. I'm just this this this VAT of negativity it seems but not really. I gotta tell you. I was outraged. The other day at something. I I was reading the coverage. It was the whole thing about the the coverage. David Sarah's article that prompted all these. These publications to come out and. And slam Bernie Sanders. The New York Times has an attack story on Bernie Sanders today. And it's starting the attacks on David's rota who I know can be a bit of an asshole at times, frankly. So can I, but that's neither here nor there David Sirotta can be a real jerk. But the fact remains the also does some really good work and this article he did on Beddoe a rock, I think was necessary because he's been talented as like the second coming of the progressive gods. And if you examine his voting record, not really David Sirotta wrote a fact based well researched article that showed how one hundred seventy six times over his three term career in the house of representatives. Better a work, not only voted with Republicans, but voted to advance some of their really heinous legislation. I like Beto Rourke. I think he's got charisma. I think he's a great politician. And if he sits back and learns a little bit from the progressives out there, he could probably be a decent. Candidate going forward. He's too young. Now. But I think there's a lot of good stuff about him. But. Again, the the way the the attack dogs came out, and these are people extensively extensively on the left. These are so called Democrats eating their own because they don't like Bernie Sanders or they don't like Elizabeth Warren. It's like I vote for a woman, but not her. Well, fuck you. And I find myself getting. Getting upset over this stuff. And it's God. We haven't even begun yet. Bernie Sanders hasn't even declared his candidacy yet and already the hard-line. Conservatives are coming out against the progressives. And it really sucks, and I will continue to say number one. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in this country, number two. He changed the narrative in this country because when he started running for years ago, no one was talking about Medicare for all or tuition free college state college in university or many of the other social safety net. Things ideas that Bernie Sanders is put out there and that have now become. Common for for the four four the Democratic Party that it's part of the platform. They're all touting Medicare for all all the way up to Nancy Pelosi. So I found myself getting upset about these attacks on Bernie. But just seeing that this is where we're headed again. And I watched Chris as the other night. I think Chris Hayes does the best show on MSNBC. I really really like him every now and then he says something I disagree with. But nobody's going to be perfect. I even disagree with myself. Every once in a while. Anyway, I wanna play for you, a something that Chris hey said, it's sort of his resolution and. Hopefully, it will be my resolution to here's what Chris Hayes said you've probably heard by now that Senator Elizabeth Warren has made it official. She will be running for president in twenty twenty. You've also likely heard a lot of the by now standard punditocracy about what it all means with various hot takes about whether she can avoid being pinned his unlikable or whether her drinking a beer in her kitchen was sufficiently authentic or whether because she didn't run in two thousand sixteen. She's Mr. moment. Now, someone in the business of covering and analyzing American politics. I am genuinely sympathetic to the ways in which the insatiable demands for content means a fair amount of shallow quick takes on optics electability. What have you? But I want to offer some advice to you the viewer and and really allowed to myself and New Year's resolution as we enter the presidential campaign, ignore that nonsense. Seriously, 2016 represented the reductio ad absurdum, local media industrial complex addicted to the spectacle, and. Personal drama, and it is our job all of our job to do better this time around no shit. So there will be plenty of reasons to legitimately scrutinize the political successes various candidates, their messages strategies, approaches consistencies, what should count most for us doing the covering and for you out there making the decisions about who to support and vote for is what the candidates worldview is what their platform calls for concretely how they've conducted themselves in the past as a window into how they might be in the future and what we can best find out about their medal and their judgment. Who will they fight for? What will they fight for? And they be trusted to do what they say. Wow. Everything else is noise. Yep. And trust me. There will be an awful lot of noise in the next twenty two months committed to try to turn down the din, and listen and ask get questions and answers about what matters. Said so perfectly and so beautifully. The challenge is going to be following his advice. Tune out the noise, it's noise. I'll call them out on it. But I'm going to try not to get upset. Here we go. All right. Somebody's calling. Hi, who's this? This is chasing. Jason I I'm gonna do something that I I'm sorry. But it may upset you a little bit. Today. And this doesn't add to the show at all. Just made a factual statement. That was not correct. He's not a democrat. He's an independent say he was a democrat. I swear to God. I'm not trying to you did. Okay. If I did I made a mistake. He's an independent, and I don't give a fuck. Okay. Thanks for calling. Jason Bernie Sanders is not a democrat. He's an independent and who fucking cares. Okay. Don't call anymore. Jason. I know you mean, well, but don't any set it up. I'm going to set you fuck you not upsetting me if I called if I said Bernie Sanders was a democrat, which I don't think I did. But occasionally, I have a brain fart and say things that I don't mean to say Bernie Sanders is an independent and all the people go, but he's not a democrat. I don't give a fuck. He's more democratic than most of these other people, and it doesn't matter. Okay. Okay. There's some news to get to play the recorded version or. I can attempt to do it live. What the fuck? We'll do it live. Let's go. It's time for new coal Sandler's. What's news from the coal, Sandler dot com. And the progressive voices network. Nancy Pelosi is a woman of faith a loving wife. A mother of five a grandmother of nine a sophisticated strategists a legendary legislator of voice for the voice Lewis a defender of the disenfranchise a powerful profound prophetic principal public servant. And that's why we stand squarely behind her today. Let me be clear House Democrats are down with NDP Nancy Pelosi once and future speaker of the United States, how the representatives are proudly name in nomination got left her God bless the United States you. Now, he practiced that one a lot. That's how came Jeffries of New York. They knew democratic caucus chair. Yesterday. Officially nominating Nancy Pelosi as the next speaker of the house after the vote which saw Pelosi getting two hundred and twenty votes. Nancy retook, the gavel Pelosi of the state of California having received a majority of the votes cast is elected speaker of the house represented in the one hundred hundred. Oh, yes. And then they got down to business. The first order was the democratic rules package containing that. Controversial pay go provision. The rules were approved by largely party line vote to thirty four to one ninety seven three Republican representatives voted. A four the package going against the rest of their party. Congressman Tom Reed, and John Kako of New York, and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, they voted for it three Democrats, Rokon a- and Alexandria, Akasa Cortez who we knew we're gonna vote against it did and they were joined by Tulsi Gabbard. I guess Tim Ryan of Ohio who said he was gonna vote against it. But didn't just wanted the publicity. He's a fraud. Anyway. They weren't on with your first day of the hundred and sixteenth congress yet late Thursday, this happened just in the last few moments the votes have officially closed. So now, we can say that as the first two official acts of business in the new democratic led house of representatives. The house has passed two bills to reopen the federal government without funding for a wall on the southern border your move Republicans. Yeah. And I guess the move came from Trump who today Pelosi and Schumer out. Okay. That's not supposed to happen. All right. Let's hi. Who's calling? Pete. Hi, Pete from where? Okay. What's what's on your mind, Pete? Well, I just want to support Nicole, you know, and do it directly to verse. That's me. That's me. I work alone. I don't have a screener anything you're on the air. Oh, I didn't love talking to you. From seeing the time delay on TV. Internet. So it'll come up in about ten seconds or so. Okay. Well, you whether it's on the air or not it doesn't matter. I just do want to support you. This is P Perlman, by the way, we're Facebook friends. Okay. I've called you before I m p anyway on the ranch you did about basically, no censorship, you know, with George Carlin. But by the way, I met him once it was that's another story. But and I worked at WBAI where he did that. And they went to the spring when I'm sure, you know, all being in radio and stuff, but I've always felt that same way about that kind of stuff priorities. You know? I mean, Republicans get all twisted in knots about the stupidest things, and and the real priorities they have backwards and miss a line miss. You know, sequence Li like, you know, what? I'm saying, well, I know what you're saying. 'cause I coined this phrase a few years ago called opposite world. You never knew it. So I'd is straight ahead. No longer better. Reality is fiction. The signpost hit your next up world. Living in that. I watched I watched the twilight zone marathon over New Year's on the side channel. And all I can think of we are living in a twilight zone episode because nothing makes you do that before it's completely apt. So you could do it a thousand times during these days in it'll fit, you know, and it's not even redundant, unfortunately. But yeah, okay. Well, thank you for the call. I appreciate it. I support and I hate people who don't get it. Yeah. Well, you know, and we're going to run into more and more of them as we get closer and closer to November twenty twenty. It's already starting. So just be prepared. Okay. Well on doing what you're doing. Thank you so much. I appreciate the call. All right. So weird Skype is doing weird things. It's not supposed to make noise. I gotta change the settings again if I can all right. What other stories? Let's see. All right. So the house the Democrats voted to reopen the government. Pelosi had a few words to say to the press wants the entire the festivities of the day were opened. Is it in morality? It's not who we are as a nation. And this is not a wall between Mexico and the United States that the president is creating here. It's a wall between reality and his constituents his supporters. He does not want them to know what he's doing to Medicare, Medicaid and social security in his budget proposal. He just not want them to know what he's doing to clean air and clean water and the rest in his department of interior, and of of EPA, you just not want them to know how he is hurting them. So keeps the subject on the wall. He's a master of diversion. We're trying to open up government. We're giving them a tour path to do. So. Okay. So that's Nancy Pelosi. No matter what Trump said it his bullshit rose garden thing today. They're no closer on settling. This the Democrats are not going to give on on wall. And. You know as long as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. Hold Trump's fate in their hands. I guess he's not going to do anything either. Because he was ready to negotiate into compromise until they bad mouth him. Let's see what else. Regarding those the bills that Nancy Pelosi got passed in the house yesterday. Mitch McConnell has said he won't bring them to the Senate floor. But some in his caucus are starting to break ranks Cory Gardner of Colorado and Susan Collins of Maine who are both up for reelection. In twenty twenty have said that they're calling for an end to the shutdown. Even if Trump doesn't get his wall funding some comments made by Shelley Moore Capito or capital. I think of West Virginia suggests that she might be on board to I guess, we'll see he said Mike Pence is going to be at the White House negotiating over the weekend. Sure. What else? There's something that I have here that I didn't get to play yesterday that that I need to share with you. It was an asinine comment. That Trump may do I have time for this. Yeah. This is his little mini press conference after the cabinet meeting. The other day where he went onto ninety five minutes stream of consciousness ramble of nonsense, and he said this about Soviet Union invading Afghanistan Russia used to be the Soviet Union Afghanistan made it rushing because they went bankrupt fighting in guesting Russia. So. Thank you, look at other countries Pakistan is there they should be fighting. But Russia should be the reason Russia was in in Afghanistan was because terrorists will going into. No. And literally they went bankrupt. They went into Rowley called Russia again as opposed to the Soviet Union. A lot of a lot of these places you're reading about now are no longer part of Russia because of ghanistan God. Okay. That's not true. Not a word of it is true. In fact, it was so falls that the Wall Street Journal. Published an op Ed today, and here's a quote from it. This is the Wall Street Journal. This is Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal, quote, we cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American president the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December nineteen Seventy-nine to prop up fellow communist government. The invasion was condemned throughout the noncommunist world, the Soviets justified the invasion as an extension of the Brezhnev doctrine asserting their right to prevent countries from leaving the communists, fear. This mockery writes, the Wall Street Journal is a slander against every ally. That has supported the US effort in Afghanistan with troops who fought and often died. The Wall Street Journal calling out Trump. All right. That's enough for the news. Let's call John Nichols, shall we? Hopefully, hopefully, my phone will work every year the nation publishes. They're progressive honor roll for the year just gone by and there, this is no exception on in the current December issue of the nation magazine is the two thousand eighteen progressive on a role as always curated by our friend. John nichols. John. You're with us. Assure. I we've been doing this. I know you do this every year. But it seems like probably I don't know the last ten years or so I've always been honored to have you on whatever show. I'm doing to talk about who did the best who who are the best progressives that two thousand the progressive honor roll for the year gone by and I see some familiar names on this list and some new ones as well. In fact, I guess we should just start off with the very first one because some of them have made a splash since the day. They were elected and continued to splash things yesterday as they were sworn in you wrote the most valuable progressives are Alexandra Cossio Cortez Rashida. Tha Leib Ilhan, Omar an ion Presley a pretty good choices there. Yeah. And they really made themselves central to the process, which is how politics to be. I mean. Healthy politics is open to new people that it has roads up and avenues in and what we've seen in two thousand eighteen particularly at the congressional level is a lot of for lack of a better term entrepreneurial politics folks, who maybe two years ago weren't even thinking about running for congress right years ago. You know, Alexander Cossio Cortez. She often notes was working as a bartender or less than two years ago. And you know, Ilhan Omar just two years ago. She was elected state legislature up in a soda. Well, you know, relative newcomer Rashid it to leave has been around longer same with Presley. They they both have been engaged politically for longer periods of time. But it in each their cases, they didn't have easy ways in. You know, the road paved for them. I Anna Presley like under gossip Cortez had to defeat a democratic incumbent in a primary and Russia to lead like Ilhan, Omar both by the way, the first Muslim women in congress. They each had to win crowded primaries against of very well established, and and and popular opponents. And so these remarkable women they tend to be pretty young. But they know they are and they're not coming in simply to kind of fit in coming into lead. Yeah. And so that's why we celebrate them because that's frankly, the Democratic Party needs leadership it needs young, bold smart folks coming up and pushing for. Needs to show that the elders of the party, and I'm not making a comment on their age. I'm talking about the establishment of people who've been there for years. Accept these freshmen, and and value, the cultural things that they bring with them and the energy and the excitement frankly because that's what this party's sorely needs. Now, a couple of them Rashida telly has gotten a lot of notice in the press today for a remark she made last night in a celebration. It was a move on celebration after the days facilities, and frankly, I found nothing wrong with what she said here. Here's here's the remark. Love you. And you win when your son looks at you and says, look, you won bullies. Don't let maybe talked because we're gonna go on there. Falker? Okay. So the crowd went wild the Republicans heads exploded today, and all I can think is have they met their president. I mean, this is more vile. Donald Trump doesn't always use. The most polite language if you think, and and you know, but this is the thing about it. What I I grew up in small town, Wisconsin, very rural setting where we're all probably a little more proper that we're supposed to be. And and so I might not have set it that way. But Russia to leads coming on Detroit. That's right. And she's coming out of town where you know, a lot of politics got pretty big elbows. You gotta bake yourself heard, and my point on this is the say that if we want a congress that is Representative of America, we're going to have people that are going to use all kinds of links, and they're gonna speak in all kinds of ways. And instead of this photo. You say, oh, I can't believe you said that we you know, we can't respect her. We can't listen to her. You come on bear me. Right. The fact of the matter is she revealed their her passion, her sense of humor, frankly or good her, you know, kind of good energy rangeland on a lot of these issues. Now, I understand there may be a couple of folks would say it differently, right? Yep. That's how you want. And that's why ANSI Pelosi said to I would have said it differently. But I agree with what she's saying. And I love her energy. I mean, at least that's what she got. No, you John Nicholls wrote a piece that was posted up at the nation yesterday. And it was before she made the statement. But the headline is Rashida to leave calls for taking a mediate steps toward impeachment on her first day in congress that really should be the story. The headline not that she said motherfucker, I'm sorry. It's a word that it's used in Harlem. Yup. And the key is that what she is saying is really important. And and and the thing is she I think we should until he was going to get a lot of notice in congress. She's going to shake things up a whole bunch of ways. And she may be this new group coming in the one that that shakes things up the most. Although I'm not even I'm not going to say that for sure, but what I will tell you is that she's doing it with energy and passion. And and I think that she's doing it out of a anger that reflects what she heard as a candidate which she heard in a tough race coming up. Here's the interesting thing. A lot of people have lost the context of some of her statements here, they are like they're taken one word. Yeah. They're not recognizing us. She's saying she is passionate on this. She is intense on this. Because this president is hurting people in her district. Right people on the ground in hurt her back in Michigan who are suffering because of this president's actions, and when she campaigned she I covered her campaign. She talked about impeachment during online. No, she has been. And it took her. Right. Exactly, exactly. Also today. Another one that the Republicans are taking aim at is Alex accustomed Cortez. They think they got something on her because they found a video of her dancing on a rooftop while she was in college and say wonderful video it shows a joyous young woman having fun and embracing life. And and they thought what they were going to that. It was a burn on her or something and and people have embraced it the videos going viral. There's a new Twitter account with Alexandra Akassou Cortez dancing to every song on the planet. He mixed it. And somebody else made of the dance into a commercial for Medicare for all. I mean this thing took on a life of its own. And I think it's wonderful. Well, I think you know is clearly intentional hit. There was there folks out there who thought they had come on to something. Discovered something that would destroy her politically. Right. You know, while she danced. Yep. And instead partially this is because of the great energy that AO see brings to politics somebody. When folks take a shot at her, and they they attack her for something. She very often turns it right back on. And I think that people who aren't doozy. Aston about her service have have embraced that sensibility. Instead of you know, being offended. They're like, oh, yeah. This is exactly. Right. And and the thing that I say is what does that video tell us? It told us she could dance. Yes. That she could reference iconic films that she had friends and that she was. Fun cool. Yeah. And I know it could firm she wasn't a conservative. Yeah. But it it, you know, joking. There's probably so cool conservatives out there I of magic. But at the heart of it boy. It showed us the kind of person who we would hope our congress would include absolute, right? If we have a congress is going to be even minimally Representative of the great mass of Americans then. Yeah, we ought to have some folks who've danced on rooftops congress, most definitely. So those four Alexandra CASA Cortez where she did to Leib Ilhan, Omar. And I on a Presley were named the most valuable progressives in the nation's Twenty-eight thousand progressive honor roll, Iowa, thank you think they came in at the very end November. We learned of them maybe twenty nineteen they they really earned those stripes. You move on John Nicholls to somebody who has the most valuable Senator and your your pick for this year has had this title before Bernie Sanders, and I'll have to agree with you. Because this is the year we really saw so many other Democrats pick up the mantle that he brought to the campaign in twenty sixteen Medicare for all. Wasn't widely discussed except for Bernie tuition-free public colleges and university. Again, we didn't hear any other any Democrats are a Bernie's not officially a democrat. But he ran his democrat. And he caucuses with the Democrats. We haven't seen anybody else inch champion these ideas until now, and I would say if it wasn't for bony. They wouldn't be championing them yet. Either. Well, I think that. There are people who really want to talk Bernie Sanders down. Right. Got that don't like them for whatever reason disagree with them. And that's you know, look, that's part of it. You you have to accept that as a reality. But the come in fast this time they are partially because the presidential race is about to get and everybody's positioning. But when I did this year in looking at it, and what I always do this listed consultation with nation editors progressives around when I step back. I said, okay. Who in two thousand eighteen if you take a serious look at it in a point Democrats were in position where they were fighting against of, you know, a Republican majority in the Senate and Republicans with full control the executive and legislative branches who did the most with the hand that person have been dealt with. And if you take a look at Bernie Sanders, what he did on putting the issues you just mentioned on the table as well as a whole host of other issues on, you know, everything from labor rights to consumer protection, kind of constant set of bills always in collaboration with members of the house, often younger members of the house, and then you say, okay. Well, what did he accomplish out of that? Well, he took on Amazon and help to leverage in working closely with unions and activists, you know, help to leverage real increases in paid them's on agree. Aide found terribly to increase pay for a whole lot of her. Right. It's thousands of workers. And then he took on this issue of Yemen. Such a neglected issue. And you know, look, the we finished the year with the Senate voting were a a new policy as regards him. And we still haven't got it because we gotta struggle in the house it struggled with Trump. But boy to get the Republican controlled Senate to vote in favor of saying we don't want to align with the Saudis. They do such terrible damage in unites. These are real things. And so you have to I think you have to give Bernie Sanders credit. I agree you accomplishments of the year as well. As the use of the bully pulpit and moving the general. Outlook. I mean again when he came on the scene what in twenty fifteen and at least floated the idea of running for president was talking about Medicare for all he was the only one. And now, it's it's like in the in the Democratic Party platform. I mean, everybody from from the incoming freshmen on the way up are all talking about Medicare for all this is huge. And it I take it. Give it a the credit directly to Bernie Sanders. You have to give them a lot. And and you know, they're good thing about pretty Sanders is because he's a movement guy. He'd be the first to tell you that you're wrong, and I'm wrong that you know, there's plenty people that were working on. Yeah. And and that's why it works. Yep. And again, Bernie Sanders is having a position of tremendous promise in US, and frankly internationally, what was clear in two thousand eighteen was the use that prominence to continue to move issues to the forefront. Yes, you're right. I'm really impressed with your pick for the most valuable house member. It's somebody who just finished his freshman term. He's now a coming into a second term, and I got to admit during the primary I was a little upset because ro Khanna was challenging my Kanda. Who was a long-term? Great progressive. He wasn't a very visible member. He wasn't always out there in front of the cameras. But he's the guy who was always responsible for writing the progressive caucus budget. The people's bud. Budget, which never got enough attention. I thought it was hope he's made a lot of sense, but ro Khanna has really proved himself to be a valuable member of the house and. You know, I guess a suitable replacement for my Honda. Yeah. I mean, this is always a hard thing. And you know, we know we're just talking a moment ago about AFC and about our Neely. Neely go with. Joe Crowley needed to go. The fact that young upstart progressive beat this entrenched with what I call conservatives who was in line to be the next speaker of the house, I think it was a wonderful victory for progressives. In terms of this scene from the San Jose area. Both my Kanda Andro Connor or progressives. I know how Gooding wrote was going to be. But members come up, you know, you get into congress in different ways right sometimes in some districts. You're going to beat an incumbent in a primer and the measure is always what you do. Once once you've done that right and wrong, Connor came into congress is somebody who, you know, quite a few people are little standoff or say like, okay, we don't know what to expect from this guy. He kinda really came in his own way. And the interesting thing about him is he in veasley began forming coalitions reaching out to elders on the frankly, the progressive side of issues people properly and others have been there in congress for a long time and saying, hey, I want to work with you. Sometimes you've been brutally alone on some of these issues. I'm staying right at your side. Let's let's raise it up on an issue like Yemen or the authorization use the military. Course to finally force congress to declare wars rather than just let presidents do as they choose. But also on a host of other issues. He was Bernie Sanders is house ally and taking on Amazon he has been incredibly out front on digital issues tech issues partially because he represents the Silicon Valley he knows the territory personally because he did serve in the Obama administration advising on those issues. But but also because he's got an understanding other baseline core understanding of where democracy and the technology revolution going to be intersected. And he, you know, just I don't think there's any way to suggest that he hasn't hit the ground running as not just a very successful, very influential freshman of how frankly. If he was a senior. You'd say, wow. That was a heck of a year yet. No Deming on the agenda. You you're taking on Amazon biggest you know, these companies in the world. You're working building alliance is not just with Democrats. But also sometimes Republicans make the move issues on and he stood her yesterday. He and Alexander Cossio Cortez in and surprisingly Tulsi Gabbard where the only three who voted against the rules package, which was the first thing they brought up in the house, and the reason they voted against it was this pay go provisions that we've been talking about on the show here all week that really goes against all progressive. You know, ideals, and they stood up against it. Now, the new chairs the co chairs of the progressive caucus Pramilla Paul and Mark PO can they came out and said they were going to vote for it. Because because of the way the rule is written. And it was a technical thing that frankly, I can't explain well, I sort of understood it, although people who I respect have pooh-poohed that and said, no, this was this was a bad vote. This was bad rule to include in the in the in the rules package that pay goes shouldn't have gone, and again Rokon and make a stand at the first day and a lot of others. Of course, are taking the ire of the true progressives out there saying how could they vote against this? This just shows that I guess people aren't gonna March in such lockstep that we've got a lot of independently minded people in this democratic caucus in the house. There's going to be a lot of action going on this year. Well, I love what they did there. They took an issue and put it put it in the forefront an economic issue economics, or at least budgetary issue that most people aren't aware of the average person may not know about and they pushed it out to the forefront. And let's talk about this. Now, there were some progressives. Good progressive solid aggressive who said, you know, look, we see other ways to get at this. And it in fact on I will propose legislation to or at least rules changes alternately to get rid of the pay goes stuff. You can have if you want a great big debate about how and win time these things or you can step back and say, you know, we didn't ever have this debate before. Right. So what happened is a really good thing. Yeah. And and now people are talking. Right. Exactly, exactly. And at the core of it is we're we're getting ourselves back to some fundamentals of how to do budgeting how to govern and one of the fundamentals is if you're going to do a green new deal, which is an issue of these new members of fought to put on the agenda, if you're gonna do something really big it may in fact, be the case that you've gotta find money to do it. Right. May not just happen. And so how are you gonna do that? Well, cut defense spending move money over from the Pentagon to domestic needs. That's a great idea. It's been proposed many times, right tax, rich, right, right ideas. Bright pose many times. Right. But there may actually be some places where you do borrowing. Right. And you because you spend some money to all to midly kick start things like a green new deal that's going to be. In the long term, very very good for the economy. They're very good for the country. Just as the first new deal was back in the nineteen thirties and bottom line. And all this is that if indeed that's the case we need to do great big things in the twenty per century. We'd better find the money for it. We're gonna pay for it. Although if you listen to Stephanie Kelton and people who who are proponents of modern monetary theory. You don't have to deficits are okay, it's a sign of a healthy country. And so it's it's a narrative that many disagree with that. You don't have to find the money. The money is there. Well, bottom line is. However, you're gonna go at it. My point is not criticize one approach or the other. It's just simply say now we're actually talking about that's right and Paulos about where we're going to how we're going to do these things. And once you get there, then being stuffed becomes possible. So I I love what kinda and Elsie did. Because even if you don't you don't line up with them, even if you don't agree with every aspect of it. They forced us into a discussion. Frankly, we need to have. Yes. I most definitely. And the fact that people who probably have never heard of pay go are talking about it sides on it. That's a good thing. Again, the more informed. The electorate is the better for all of us. The problem comes when we have people who don't know what they're talking about who like the president who weighs in on. Usually make the president. You have a new I don't remember this this category before most valuable policy intervention and you name the congressional progressive caucus centers. This something new. Yeah. Really is new and because you know, it's one of the things that that we look at a lot. It's how you move the needle, right? How you make something happen? We were just talking about it as Rihards green new deal stuff like that. Well, back in the nineteen sixties and into the early seventies. When Democrats in congress were really, you know, kind of on the March, and they were doing Medicare and Medicaid and war on poverty, and you know, really advancing whole bunch of environmental issues advancing women's rights at fundamental level. There was think all the democratic study group DS G and their study group was really influencial. It was a sort of inside outside operation that pulled together big thinkers, policymakers activists, and you know, drew up legislation help to educate members of congress about hot way legislation was necessary also helped to build, you know, structural support for big change. When Newt Gingrich came to power in the nineteen nineties DSU's are already weaker institution that had been, but Gingrich dot rid of this kind of stuff and for reason because he still sought as they're powerful, very influential, and frankly, potentially very progressive. What poking and Jaipur are doing is developing twenty first century version, in fact, in many ways better version of what the DS g was. And so they are essentially saying they want to create the framework the infrastructure to move progressive legislation to build progressive movement's inside and outside the can really jump start things in a way that frankly, congress hasn't done in quite a long time progresses. Even haven't done a long time. They've got funding for it. They're hiring staff. They are you know, linking with progressive groups out in the country. This is a very very big deal, and it will become a I I think centre for a lot of activism on issues that are gonna matter. Great deal. It's not been talked about much. This is one of the reasons why we highlighted this was the first I had heard of you. To get you should get poke Energi Paul on. I would love to they will they'll blow your mind. Okay. You know, how how ambitious they are with these ideas. Awesome. Well, this is exciting because this is what we need in. It's time when I think the country is going in a more progressive direction. And I think anyone who pushes back on that notion is not paying attention. I mean, just what we were talking about before John with the widespread acceptance of the idea of Medicaid for Medicare for all or tuition free, college other ideas that have come through Bernie Sanders or or Elizabeth Warren or a again, it's hard to realize that that's the case you knowing what's going on in the White House and in the Senate. But but I think the people are more progressive than they were. I think we're just moving into more progressive direction. I wanna spot there's a whole bunch of categories, obviously, we're not gonna have time to get through all of them. But it's at the nation dot com. It's the twenty eighteen progressive on a roll. It's in the current the December issue of the nation magazine. It's the cover story on there. And there's a lot of great stuff. You learn about from here. Of course, I live in Florida and some thrilled you included in the most valuable advance for voting rights is the Florida voting restoration amendment. Unfortunately, Florida elected this guy. Rhonda Santa's as governor. And I know he's trying to stop this. Well, they're doing the same thing in Michigan in Wisconsin other places where in Michigan Wisconsin where they like to progressive relatively progressive democratic governors democratic attorneys general trying to disempower them. You know, as you say to Santa trying to overturn the will the people were seeing similar things in Ohio and other places around the country. This is really ugly, turn in our politics. But let us at core recognize the incredible significance of what happened in Florida. This year grassroots activists identified a barrier to millions of people or more than a million Florida millions country casting ballots literally participating in our political process. They went to the people of the state the of you know, initiative, you know, going out gathering the signatures getting an amendment on the ballot and against the assumptions, not just Republicans. But frankly, the assumptions of a lot of Democrats they wanna landslide victory, right? Got. And what this potus is that the people of this country, not just Florida but across. His country are ready to support criminal Justice reform and democracy reforms that that are much bolder that aren't politically lead success now will there be some members of the political class still try to push back undermine week. And of course, there will. But the bottom line is after what Florida did never again can any serious progressive in any state across this country. Trying suggest that you can't really go for it on again, criminal Justice reform and democracy reform. There's a lot more space there and Florida did that Florida showed us what is possible one huge landside victory for expansion of voting rights. Yeah. Very exciting. It is yours huge celebration. Right. And it's amazing to me that that that it's been meant for. Through and Andrew gillum who was a great candidate for governor. Real progressive just lost by this much. And I guess that's the Trump factor because he came in and he. Next time. It's better. I it's got to be better. And hopefully, we're moving in the right direction. John Nichols of the nation. It is always a pleasure. I couldn't see starting off another new year without talking to you about the best progressives of two thousand eighteen because as negatives. I've been lately it's important to honor the people who are doing good work and thank them for that. And it's something we need to remember. There are a lot of people out there working really hard and trying to change things for the better, and we need to show our appreciation and get behind them as well. So. Nicole? Thanks for your great work. Well, thank you. I really appreciate it and happy new year. All right. Take care. John Nichols, everybody. Find him on Twitter at Nichols uprising. And of course, you can find the nation at the nation dot com. All right. That's it for today. It's the weekend. Enjoy it. I started volunteering at the sawgrass nature center. So I'll be taking care of animals on Sunday. And I'll be back here on Tuesday with Ghana laugh. See you then have a great weekend. Everyone by.

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On the Ground in Iowa

Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

35:28 min | 1 year ago

On the Ground in Iowa

"This is intercepted and I'm Ryan Grim fillion for Jeremy Jeremy Scahill and this is episode one fifteen of intercepted To really understand what happened Monday night. Let's roll the tape back thirty or forty years. President Carter told by pulse. Repack the DEL that it is all over. reportedly is preparing to concede defeat to Ronald Reagan. And in the one thousand nine hundred presidential election the Democratic Party underwent an ideological transformation in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s battered by the Reagan Revolution. New Cadre of operatives operatives rose calling themselves new Democrats arguing that the party needed to distance itself from what they called special interest groups and by special interest groups groups. They met civil rights. Activists Environmentalists feminists gay rights activists labor unions. What they needed instead was to move to the center and match Republicans dollar for dollar in corporate fundraising and big money? We know government does not have all the answers we know and we have worked to give the American people a smaller less bureaucratic government in Washington. The era of big government is over the same. Um Your Reagan was inaugurated Bernie. Sanders ran and won his race for mayor of Burlington in eighty four and again in one thousand nine hundred eight the push back against the new Democrats took the form of the presidential. Oh campaigns of Jesse Jackson. You're on the first ballot new. The restaurant and space able conviction one of the only white elected officials to endorse in campaign. For Jackson was Bernie Sanders here. He is talking about it. In nineteen gene. Eighty eight s Jackson surged to the top of the pack. Win Lose or draw. His candidacy will be remembered as the most significant presidential campaign in at lease fifty years in this nation in attempting to bring working people and poor people an elderly people at people of all colors together the beginning to stand up and fight for their rights at the fight for their dignity. Sometimes we lose the knowledge that history is being made. When it's being made in front of us that is in fact what is happening right now? Sanders was an independent independent and he struggled with whether participate in the Democratic primary. At all I am the only non-democrat non-republican independent progressive mayor in the United States of America. GEICO okay it is awful. I freely admit it is awkward for me to walk into a Democratic Party caucus believe me it is awkward. I am not a Democrat period. uh-huh Bernie argued that while some racist whites might indeed refused to vote for Jackson. He had the possibility to expand the democratic electorate. So while in fact he may end end up losing some conservative white boats. Some racist white votes. I think there is a real chance that he could do. What Mondale couldn't a million years as not as the bring millions and millions the poor people and working people into the political arena when the past never participate? That's the interesting question that was not not only Jackson strategy. It was his counterarguments the new Democrats. We don't need corporate money. He argued we need people on the last last time. Not Genius Reagan. When we were sleep he won by the margin agenda he won by the margin the facts about coalition he won by the magic of Racial Division One by default well the reverend then turned biblical and told the story of David and Goliath? Problem is David Remake Magog in Pennsylvania and win the cost. We're GONNA stop the rocks. There's been laying around and pick them up in nineteen eighty rigging Massachusetts about two thousand five hundred votes over one hundred thousand students on registered over fifty two thousand blacks overpaid the thousands of Spanish x one by twenty five hundred Ted Tentative State Rox Rox land around Jackson fell just short and sanders. Went Back to Vermont where he launched a bid for the House of Representatives. He lost a close race but came back again. In nineteen ninety in this time flipped a Republican seat. He headed to Washington where he'd soon co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. They are a some of us. In Congress who do not believe that the American people want to see fewer and fewer wealthier and wealthier people dominate up political and economic lives. And we are saying that some of us have not forgotten the pain that is being experienced by working people the middle income people in poor people all over this country. Some of us are not bought and sold by corporate interests and big money the entrusts some of us were elected to stand up and fight for those people who don't have the power twenty years later. Jackson strategy has become Bernie's Bernie's here's how Alexandria Cossio Cortez. His highest profile surrogate put it out of sanders rally in Nevada. The swing voter that we are most concerned and West are the non voters voters. That swing voter is going to win us this election and the general election and Alexandria said a few minutes ago is absolutely correct. There are a whole lot of folks out there who have given up. You know them. Some of the. You're you're in this room given up on the Kapros. My vote doesn't mean anything. Politics is bullshit. They're all liars. Why do I wanNA vote? What we need to do is participate anticipate in this campaign in a way that we have never done it before and we believe in non bringing non traditional? It'll voters into the political process. Young People Working People on Caucus night turn on the TV early and if the moderator tells you there's a large voter turnout we win if they tell you if they tell you. There's a low voter turnout. We lose simple. It was all about and so we start our day at a union hall on a Tumble Iowa Population Twenty five thousand on the banks of the Des Moines River about an hour and a half from in the city. There's a special satellite caucus being held for meatpackers here. It's largely Ethiopian workforce and it's happening at the UFC w's local headquarters orders. The satellite caucuses arranged for workers or others. You can't make it to the regularly. Scheduled talks this evening and you had to register ahead of time to participate. Very few campaigns organized for these caucuses but the Sanders campaign did hear producers Jack Doro and at least swain from the scene all right so check. What are we doing right now? We're outside the US CW union hall in Tamwe which which voted sixty percent for trump in two thousand sixteen prior to that had voted democratic in every election since nineteen seventy six. So we'RE WE'RE GONNA go inside and see what's what's going on I'm Frank Flanders I'm the chair of the precinct caucus we're going to break cough into preference groups and then they'll fill out a presidential preference card. We will count those and determine what candidates have the fifteen percent viability threshold so but half of the people who are at the caucus today who attended and participated were African immigrants And I spoke to one man Tariq Regal who is a Moroccan immigrant Just became a citizen. It's the first time he's participating in a democratic process we bold enough to calm on Marocco Northrop Africa moving into the United States. Then she tells them fifteen. I become US citizens like last year. Like I'm making it official right now. My name is Chris Larson on the president of the United auto workers. Local seventy four We organized to John. Deere Workers Serna Tomo We primarily make Equipment for cutting harvesting it. You know what Tom was. Always been a manufacturing community. I think it's one of the thirty one counties And the book voted for Brock Obama in two thousand eight two thousand twelve and then turned towards trump in two thousand sixteen and You know it's just people that are sick Sicko The government we have in populace message sells some of them are full of crap Like our current president But you got somebody with with the integrity and honesty. That's been doing the same thing for four decades and Bernie Sanders and that's what resonates with people. That's why this isn't just a presidential campaign so movement movement the Lacrosse mind made up as you were coming on the podcast today pretty much local to thirty pretty much decided that was Bernie Sanders fan so therefore so what do you like about Bernie Sanders. I like Lavas goes I believe in equal pay for whether so you're male or female. He believes that everybody deserves to be taken care of. If they're sick being pretty much what everybody else who dreams the this boy. We will do the preference brutal an allegation of Dylan. Yeah we had. On the first alignment fourteen people stand for Bernie Sanders One Stanford Elizabeth Warren and none for any other candidates that locked in the fourteen gene standing for Bernie and then the one standing for Elizabeth did not wish to a real line. So that gave fourteen eligible out of the fifteen fifteen for Bernie so she did not have liability and according to the formula that the state party uses that means that there were four delegates awarded Bernie Sanders and unto onto the other candidates as a result of this satellite caucus. We're on our way back to des Moines where we're going to drake university. There's going to be another caucus. Our next stop is Drake University for another satellite caucus later in the afternoon. All right I hear all this talk. This is Drake University which is having a Satellite Caucus in its field house for workers and others who just can't make it to the regularly scheduled one. We're in fuel house astroturf bleachers. There hurdles equally spaced apart on each hurlers little piece of paper taped onto it with the candidates candidate's name and everyone is lining up behind it. It looks like Warren is viable. Maybe p definitely burning you were so we do have to officially begin the first period. I know many of you have already found on your way to work preferred location but we will have a five minute alignment period if you happens. We we got three Yang's supporters here so after the first round. Who Do you think you'll realize well someone just brought up a good point that maybe Maybe some people will come over here if there's bibles but if not. I'M GOING TO WARREN FOR ME I'm not too sure yet. But I'm kind of leaning towards Bernie after this initially it was gonNA relying closure but given that. There's one person there that might not happen now So I might go to Byner Pete. Line line captains recheck. Your Buddha judge has eight so if they can pick up the Biden guy if they can talk the Yang person who likes Biden into Pete instead and also offer pie cookies to the Klobuchar guy which which he said. He's bribe Pie. Then that would give them eleven and that would hit them would hit the threshold but he's buying guys not a Buddha judge guy so they have to work in pretty really hard. It's extremely important for for the sanders. People to be able to draw people on the second round not just increase their own numbers but to keep the other candidates from becoming viable if they can win a bunch of the realignments on the second round. Then Pete can't reach the threshold of viability into after the first Alignment Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The Cobra charters my first choice so I started thinking okay. Who would be my second choice and here? We are standing behind progressive policies. Even when they weren't popular politically expedient. You can trust what we say. We're going to follow through. I mean every every candidate with us come with more. Let's go to war and got the remaining gang gang supporter so right there Yang's permeating supporters just got eaten up by the other other campaigns in one short of in literally just getting getting in their faces in pitching them why they should join or change sides so now they're realizing that is the end of the realignment period. Please get into lines of ten again. So that we can recount to Bernie picked up some pete fans. Yes that's what's so important about keeping people under viability that you're then they have to go somewhere and when when they see the momentum like if you look in this room you could just visualize it you can see it like there's a little bit of energy over there and then over here you've got double it and so if you're not sure about who you're gonNa vote for and you like them. Both you like you know what. Let's let's let's ride with Barney. As I stated this caucus is electing seven delegates Bernie. Sanders is awarded five delegates and Elizabeth. Warren is awarded to delegates the five delegates for Sanders to for Warren so he nets three. It's actually less than he pulled out of the meatpacker Parkas earlier today. Were there. Were only fourteen people because Rokon well one of the first members a congress of the first to to endorse Bernie Sanders no chair of his of his campaign. What I'm curious about is privately? Don't tell us who but like what are you hearing from from your colleagues you know. In the beginning people like oh that's cute that Bernie Sanders is running again. Of course it's his right. You know he can have one last little Hurrah and he'll be he'll be done by this summer You jumped and you're like no I'm all in here What are people saying to you now or your colleagues and friends saints you now people come up to me on the floor and otherwise and say wow is he's running a great campaign may take this? I think they're taking him a lot more seriously. In the beginning there was sort of burned. He's going to do his thing. Yeah no one thought he was going to be the nominee people thought it was more a campaign that wasn't gonNA actually end up even in the top three so he's just defied the odds at now the people are realizing that he has a very very good shot at the nomination by argument to them is look at who people want. Look at who the young folks will look who's getting the crowds automatically. It's a democracy are people starting to believe that he could beat trump or are they still like it looks like win the nomination. But then we're screwed. Say I think the people who are looking at it when I say people I mean members of Congress and before the ones who are doing all the punditry. Oh what do we need to do on this district and that district. They're still in the mindset of Kenny. Win The ones that are just looking at the basic facts that everyone else is seeing three thousand people showing up at his rallies a huge army of volunteers online. Someone who's really mobilizing people across this country. There they get burned can win. I mean ultimately politics is about movements and inspiring people and Bernie Sanders has done that. I'm Tommy Vitor MINNEOLA. Schill what I'm hoping for is as you know a little less than what possible you know that sort of my life's ambition so I like Bernie Zander's alive. My great regret from two thousand sixteen was I allowed myself to wreak out about electability with the analysis that was I probably should have known was bullshit in speculative to begin with and so when you step back and look at all the things he's done even since two thousand sixteen. I care a lot about foreign policy. I find those that set of issues interesting. I think the things. He's done in Yemen How vocal he was was against war in Iran like? That's what I WANNA hear out of my candidates so that makes me excited about burning. So we'll see I mean I also really like Elizabeth with warrant. I like really like Joe Biden so I just have been trying to watch and see what's going to happen. I'm petrified about the general election. No matter who wins but It's our job is to work hard All right we're at the third caucus locations so this is the real deal this is. It's almost seven o'clock this king elementary school somewhere somewhere into moines kind of working class neighborhood and this is the these are the actual caucus the other ones count but those are for people who can't make it to the seven o'clock evening ones There will be more than a thousand of these around the state and each one of them you have the same viability l. e. threshold so just because you're non-viable in one precinct doesn't mean your non-violent other this one actually has two precincts kind of next to each other in the same gymnasium they'll be to going on which will be extra confusing because you can't you can't move from one precinct to another side website. They'll be right with the same thing happened right right. So you could have like some non-viable. Buddha judge people looking longingly over at the other precinct knowing that they could add to their brethren. Go this way numbers. But you can't go oh from one precinct to another so they just have to sit there and suffer the so. We're like in the lobby of a berry kind of similar experience for ause aircraft. What's your name Mireya Lopez go in and caucus for Bernie? Because I liked his ideas. I feel like he's heading in the direction that I personally believe. He should head in like a candidate. He has ideal that I do. I'm pastor bobby a young who you're going to go in there Rubber basically the has visit me in my neighborhood who is up in well. Well let's see Bernie visit me and that's about it really so you don't you. Don't come to my neighborhood and acting my vote I generally don't vote for you What I like about Bernie over the years he got the same message? He's just like a record he don't change you. Think Bernie can be trump. It became. I really believe he. Can't you know don't count also guys out. We've still got a little fire in front is how do you think he's going to do in your neighborhood burn vern. I think he'd do well because he visited neighborhood. And that's more not considered by most of the candidate. My name is Gerald Hill. How long you lived in Iowa des Moines join the Moines's ninety eight have you caucus every time? Yes you're going to caucus for this time. Are you GONNA make up your mind when you go in there. I'M GONNA make up my mind when I get in there. There's two that I'm trying to decide. Between and then by what do you like about dire. He was right there from the very beginning. Investing of his own self and making a statement against what everybody else saw but nobody said anything the thing about so I feel like I owe that to him For coming out at the very beginning before even announcing his campaign he was invested in impeaching climate. Change which which is the more important. It was more impeaching. What do you think about Barney Warren? Some of the others not warn Bernie yeah I I mean here's the truth. WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION GETS my book into like precede thirty six? They realize they're supposed to be at thirty seven. We'll let him go over there vice versa. But it makes you so that were in the gym where the caucus is actually really happening. This is so. So here's something interesting and don't don't hold me precisely to these numbers but you can look up for yourself if you look at the twenty eight primary. No you know the last time there was a competitive one. Oh you know Obama basis versus Clinton and Edwards. There were about three hundred forty three hundred and fifty thousand caucus-goers if you look at twenty sixteen when you're talking about two hundred eighty thousand or so. So that means they're about sixty thousand missing caucus-goers out there who looked at the choice of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen decided not to come out for them and so that's something that all of the campaigns have have noticed that are looking at like if those people come back out. who were they four and there was a lot of speculation that those kinds of people actually come out for by which is why eh some people in the Brady campaign yes? We want to expand the electorate but we went to expand a certain portion of the electorate. which is the ones that are gonNA come out and vote for Bernie Sanders not the the ones that had a chance to vote for Sanders Twenty sixteen and took a pass? And so you are going to be seeing on Monday evening. I think some some people who just didn't like Hillary didn't like burning twenty sixteen. Come out now. They're probably for somebody like by also part of it. Was this before trump. Yeah so like. That's a huge motivator. Yes and there's definitely that I hereby call this off or her. My name is Jason Zil. Temporary here is praising. Here's the important context in two thousand sixteen. This working class district went five to three for Hillary Clinton so here we are now for years later and it looks like Bernie. We'll get at least five maybe six delegates out of here which is remarkable because there's so many more candidates participating this time That he assumed dramatically increased his his support here so neither Warren nor Buddha judge are viable as of now and so they are looking to team up but now but they're going to have to argue well. Do we team up Pete or DO WE TEAM UP FOR WARREN AND IT looks like Warren Orion is in the driver's seat because she has more delegates nor people here so the people will come there if they're still not viable then they said they would go to Burma mm-hmm the group five twenty six twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty one group satisfied with the out that we just did sixty nine so that it was the burning people focusing being counted by Bernie dealing with their valuable currently only Biden Bernie. So Oh now warn folks have to persuade some Pete folks to come join them a little a bit over fifty percent for Bernie Sanders twenty-five percent for Joe Biden fifteen percent for Elizabeth Warren. And nobody else scores any points so basically a bunch of these just happened across the state and now we just wait. It's varied state. You're going to have places where Bernie's not viable rich districts You'RE GONNA have places like this where Buddha judge isn't viable you're gonNA have places where Bernie run it up ninety ninety five percent. We're going to have. It's like because it's so broken down along the various lines. It really depends on you. You have to wait the precincts early and start making the pass all right now. We're at the Holiday Inn next to the airport Outside is the not meet US bus and so you know it's the Bernie Sanders election night. Watch party everything seems to be in a holding pattern. Because does the Iowa Democratic Party against everybody's advice decided to buy some APP that all the precinct chairs would use to upload load their results which people argued would be easy to hack and would also be more than likely to crash. Because that's what apps do do and so the party has is not releasing returns which every minute that goes by is just increasing the skepticism of the party because everyone is expecting that Bernie Sanders is going to win this caucus and all now all of a sudden the party Eh has technical difficulties now. I believe they are legitimate technical difficulties because they were stupid enough to go out and get an APP and when local Democratic Party gets. It's an APP. It's not gonNA work. That's that's how things work But it certainly isn't doing anything to produce confidence in the party. A lot of you have asked about it. Because you know we have nap up for own precinct captains so we will have. We will have numbers within ten minutes or so. What does the party? You're doing this. No but we've decided in the nature uh of transparency. We've had a candidate declare whatever but we decided the interest transparency for this. Is We have these numbers. These are the numbers we we have one. We're not we will release the results that we have ten minutes Waikiki Guy I might the crystalline and Co host of chapel traps. PODCAST Iowa Democratic Party was basically willing to set themselves on fire. Then we're willing to destroy the credibility that institution the the credibility of the Iowa caucus which they are jealously like small gut his fucking gold hoard. Then we're willing to burn it up rather than to give burning fucking victory and it's like okay fine but I don't think it's a it's a rearguard action is what you're saying like that's and that is the thing that makes me feel good is getting to watch these worms worms do this but it's also like this is all. They can do literally burn down their own house. They have no even offensive agenda. They can really just do these. The delaying actions and it really does feel more like they're trying to delay the inevitable which similar twenty sixteen and trump to what about Bloomberg and Bloomberg is getting these hilariously big numbers. And you know it's national polls now because you're literally talking to people who have thought about this election maybe three times and then when they're getting that phone call. They're literally watching Bloomberg on television when their lands from the question. That literally just like those are the late breaking non-ideological voters who go with. Who looks like who's going to be the nominee and that'll be Bernie and so we were talking earlier to the pod? Save Rose at the at the Drake University thing. I'd I'd say proser they're ready for Bernie. No no those guys are fe. Are there cheerleaders to the Democratic Party. They might have preferences but at the end of the day. That's their job. So they don't have it in institutional investment at this point in the actual facade so yeah most likely scenarios Bernie wins gets gets coronated. You know And is the first ballot winner due to the votes in all of these primaries and caucuses secondly scenarios broker convection. I don't see I don't we'll see any of these other people getting enough delegates to win on it. I certainly not Elizabeth Warren Pete. Buddha judge Joe Biden and not Bloomberg and. There's nobody else Bloomberg Bloomberg. Isn't this the states. The Bloomberg is on the ballots in Bernie's aren't going to be a winner by then his rationale right there. He's a placeholder for people who haven't really thought about it and they're going to be confronted with an electric or a race. It's much more solidified with real front runner and those are the kind of people who just like took they like to wait and then they're like who's going to win. Who Do I feel comfortable can be the guy I hate? It's this guy. Everyone else seems like him. Good enough for me and that's going to happen. I think Challah the results are announced. I have a good feeling. We're going to be doing very burn. Mothers and sisters Yes together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we're going to do more than that. Our message to Wall Street and the insurance companies and the drug companies and the fuel industry and the military industrial complex and the prison industrial real conflicts. Our message to them is change is coming the rest roots movement. This this country has ever seen him show up in California onward to victory. Thank you all I mean. Here's the thing. In order to win the Democratic nomination the nation you have to have some substantial support from voters of color and there are only two candidates left in the race who have that and that's Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. Joe Biden just finished fourth. He's fading hard Mike Bloomberg is not going to be able to come in and seriously produced that that kind support Elizabeth Warren doesn't have it people to just doesn't have it. The establishment is gonNA throw up everything they can think of against the wall but as we saw in two thousand sixteen with trump nothing stuck there. They're not they're not well organized enough to combat somebody who has actual momentum wintom. You almost have to feel bad for the establishment in this pivotal battle for control of the party. The soldier that they could marshal social onto the field was Joe Biden. Like what a what a decrepit state of affairs for what passes for an establishment. And that does it for this week's show. 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Bahamas survivor says there are "bodies everywhere" as official warns of "unimaginable" death toll, Dorian's storm surge strands residents of North Carolina island, Crews struggle to reach devastated Bahamas communities as official says "up to thousands"

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Bahamas survivor says there are "bodies everywhere" as official warns of "unimaginable" death toll, Dorian's storm surge strands residents of North Carolina island, Crews struggle to reach devastated Bahamas communities as official says "up to thousands"

"Happening now breaking news bodies everywhere as search crews struggled to reach devastated communities in the bahamas officials warn the thousands thousands may still be missing survivors report bodies everywhere officials are warning to expect what they say will be unimaginable information about the death toll dole floodwaters saw hundreds of people are caught by surprise and cut off time when a storm surge from during floods a barrier island in north carolina and with seven feet of water residents call it the worst flooding they've ever seen sabotaging a plane at american airlines mechanic is accused of sabotaging sabotaging the navigation system of a plane with one hundred fifty people on board the flight aborted on the runway at the very last moment and strain strain that was president trump strains to justify mistaken claim that story and at one point had alabama and insights but instead of pala jogging hand-drawn undrawn fake weather map. He's demanding an apology from the media. I'm wolf blitzer. You're in the situation room this c._n._n. Breaking news breaking news as search and rescue crews struggled to reach adjaria's in the bahamas devastated by hurricane doreen there are now dire warnings about what they will find the survivor tells c._n._n. There are bodies everywhere wear. One official says hundreds up to thousands may still be missing and while the recorded death fell thirty another official says to expect act and i'm quoting now unimaginable information about fatalities the storm made landfall today in north carolina as a category one hurricane leaving leaving people isolated on one of the barrier islands residents call it the worst flooding they've seen president trump meanwhile meantime sticky to his claim that alabama was zone once endurance path claiming bolstered by showing a map altered by a marker which he reportedly wielded himself haas speak with congressman ro khanna and our correspondents and analysts will have full coverage of the day's top stories first. Let's go live to the bahamas <hes> and actually go on this in a moment but first. Let's go get more more on the dramatic and very dangerous storm surge flooding as during slammed north carolina's coast. Let's go to the outer banks and c._n._n.'s alexandra field alexander jenner. Tell us about the flooding. What's the latest wolf the tense few hours for people who were on ocracoke island in the southern part of the outer banks they watch watch the storm surge come in and was predictably dropped seventy high it looks like it reached and then they quickly saw homes buildings streets flooding throughout that island people had been asked asked to evacuate some eight hundred people remained on the island with the only road to the mainland shut down because of the weather they found themselves stranded see higher water levels than any they they had seen before <hes>. The governor says that search and rescue helicopters are being sent to the island. You evacuate anyone who wants to get out. We understand that the coast guard pulled out one seventy eight year old man who did have a previous medical condition. He wanted to get off the island otherwise it seems that with the water now receding residents are mostly choosing to stay in place but those helicopters are bringing in much needed supplies for people will be there at least until all of that water receipts wolf dollars. Thanks very much for that. Now to the devastation shouldn't fears of a soaring death toll in the bahamas. C._n._n.'s victor blackwell is in nasa force. He's just back from a trip to the heart town of marsh harbour victor. How how bad was it out there. What did you see wolf. The scale is unimaginable their communities their <hes> their two communities called the mud and pigeon peas where a lot of haitian community lanes blocked colorful houses brightly painted. They looked like piles of legos there the way they've been scrambled but i gotta give you update. We just heard from the u._s. Air force general taranto shaughnessy of northern command who says the air force is now working with the bahamian government to reestablish air traffic traffic control to rebuild some damage airports <hes> to support the search and rescue effort. We heard from the u._s. Charged affair to the bahamas who says that the u._s._a. I say i d- disaster response team will be walking through the keys looking for people who potentially survive and those who have not survived but we've heard from the bahamian health minister who who believes that the eventual number of those were killed by hurricane dorian will be his word staggering the current number is thirty but on our flight over avocado today we saw hundreds of people crowded around these densities damage airports in the north at treasure cay airport and central of co at the marsh harbour arbor airport there people waiting to be rescued. We landed there in marsh harbour and the marina there is just shuffled votes that have been post based on to the coast trees snapped in half some of the buildings. You can't tell what they were. I did speak with one woman who is staying there though her name is germane smith. She wrote out this storm alone in her apartment. Here's her story next thing. I look his roof just flied off and came towards my reignited and i just inside my bedroom. When i talk i talk and i move a big three team. By the window i just moved from just missed it just like that in the rain just add pong being through my roof style lifting saron inside the bathroom for cover in detail which they say it's always safe haven and that would save me and i was just praying to go so i just as to save my life because i was scared literally at anything i was gonna make it and holding onto that but i was scared and we'll see still sweeping in that bathtub at the end of every night because she knows at least there. She has a place that she knows. It's safe in. That room saved her life. We spoke with another family. <hes> eddie does food says that his family piled into the bathroom rode out the storm and when when he opened the door after the i left there was nothing left. There was sunlight coming down on the other side of that door because oland -partment had been ripped up. Just the bathroom still stood victor understand. Your transport was actually used also to help evacuate some victims. Tell us about that yeah. We took a chopper over <hes> this morning. <hes> my producer photographer myself we went to avocado and we had an extra seat when we arrived at the march harbor airport there was a family of four or trying to get to nassau but there wasn't enough space for everyone on one chopper so we took <hes> fourteen year old boy his name maliki moreau and it's twenty one year old his name kenley victor tomorrow his twenty second birthday <hes> on our chopper to bring here to nassau and when i started to ask henley about what he experienced there he said i don't wanna talk about it and we were silent for twenty seconds and then he said every time someone asks me about it. I feel like i'm in a nightmare and i can't wake up in fact. He said he hasn't slept. Since the storm ended well he is now safe eighth and that's all i can tell you. He got some sleep on that flight the maliki family he was there with his mother <hes> younger brother four year old sister. They were for a fifteen people who rode out the storm in a single room. They're going to stay with family. A kenley victor is going to stay with family but yes. They wrote back with us. There are people people improvising to try to get as many people off of avocado as possible. These were to who came back here today. Apartments was the roofs are on the sleeping in one room. It was off and we couldn't find poses down. My dog. Did some plus a loss mostly. Everything loss family says that he doesn't know if all of his cousins made it if they are alive or if they're somewhere here in nassau and i asked him once things rebuilt he built d want to go back to avocado and and he was not ready to answer that question we'll which is understandable <hes> victor blackwell good work. Thank you very much for that report. <hes> <hes> joining us now the bahamas counsel general to washington feo neely mr daily once again. Thank you so much for joining us. I you know the official. The official death toll still l. stands at thirty but witnesses on the ground say they've seen bodies everywhere. What is the government doing right now to recover and count the dead i will oh thank you much for having me on again. Obviously we're on the ground and avocado and grand bahama still assessing the damage is still conducting rescue missions. I've heard read the same where we're hearing the more buddies and we're basically officially counting for now. The official count is at thirty. We still have to wait and verify fi and there's a process to go through. I imagine those numbers might increase but right now with the numbers were stuck out his thirty. What what is so terrifying as you know. <hes> mr mr daily is that after hurricane maria hit puerto rico a couple years ago the official death toll was only sixty four for nearly a year before it was eventually breath revised in nearly three thousand. Do you fear the true death. Toll from dorian won't be known for months. Maybe even years. I don't think it'll be that long. We have the bahamas defense force a neiman's on the ground now u._s. Officials are helping us is the navy from the u._k. United kingdom helping openness as well. I do believe perhaps in sadly those numbers will be high and we're hopeful that it won't be much higher because one survivor as you heard told c._n._n. There and the survivors were bodies everywhere among the wreckage. Do you worry that could become a public health. Emergency right now will just a few minutes ago on the minister of health in the bahamas docked wayne sands actually gave a press conference and he explained how the bahamas government and how authorities dealing with it and making sure that we do and not have any issues and crisis on our hand and to make sure that all health standards jim. I know you don't have an official count on the death. Toll give that number is going to go up but you are an official count on the missing. We're still so many so many families. There's a desk that we've set up at social social services and the ministry of foreign affairs persons these are calling in and they're matching that to confirm if persons missing besley tried to find out where they were last seen. Let's talk about the relief operation which is has to be an enormous right now. One of the biggest challenges facing the rescue crews right now well. They've actually been able to clear access roads so the tragic airport as you noted earlier before there was an issue get into that airport and accessing that airport it's now cleared and that's going to help the rescue commission the port and grand bahamas now open and we're able to get in there and conduct the rescues that we need with nima and the defence force as well as u._s. officials and officials from the the u._k. Teams there as well <hes> also the sandy point airport is open and even the marsh hobby airport is now open for rescue missions as well in aid so once these easy airports are now open in the ports the cooperstown poured then we're able to get an excess the damages and conduct really the assessments and rescues that we must do well good luck to everyone in the bahamas our hearts go out to you theo nearly thank you so much for joining us. Thank you again. Thank you much like with her. Thank hugh <hes> with hurricane doreen today lashing the carolinas and expected to make its way up through the north atlantic. President trump is still insisting that the storm once alabama in its sights now. Let's go to our chief white house correspondent jim acosta jim. The president. Just won't let go of this. That's right well. He has not penned an apology letter yet and president trump is still obsessed with proving he was right about hurricane during but while the president is fixated on the hurricane white house officials may be ignoring other possible problems creeping up on them including the economy and mr trump's quest for a wall that has his fellow republicans nervous potentially pitting the president against the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and other g._o._p. Lawmakers with the carolinas in the bahamas picking up the pieces after hurricane during president trump is still defending his magic marker meteorology tweeting the fake news media was fixated on the fact that i properly said at the beginnings of hurricane dorian that in addition to florida and other states alabama may also so be grazed or hit. They went crazy hoping against hope that i made a mistake which i didn't just find a week's worth of fact check showing that's not true. The trump campaign is cashing in selling the trump campaign markers for fifteen dollars a big markup from what they cost in stores from the white house communications director anthony scaramucci once again claimed aimed. There's something wrong with the president. I think the president is in severe mental klein. <hes> and i'm not saying that now because i'm a political adversary or i i disavow him. I'm saying that objectively just looking at what's going on. The white house had bigger problems on its hands. After the latest unemployment numbers found one hundred and thirty thousand thousand jobs were added in august below expectations given that twenty five thousand of those positions were for the census president is again tweeting his frustrations australian federal reserve chairman wrong powell asking. Where did i find this guy jerome. Oh well you can't win them. All how says the fed is washing the economy closely but doesn't see zia recession coming. I did mention that there are these risks and we're monitoring them very carefully and we're conducting policy in a way that will will address them but no i wouldn't see a recession as us. The most likely outcome for the united states or for the world economy for that matter and neither does the white house the best answer i can give you is. We have no immediate urgency. See if that's what you're asking <hes> there's no anti recession policy making 'cause. We don't see recession. There is growing concern among g._o._p. Lawmakers over the white house plan to divert billions of dollars from military projects to pay for mr trump's border wall including a middle school at fort campbell in kentucky a spokesman for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said the longtime longtime kentucky lawmaker recently talked to defense secretary esperer regarding the issue and is committed to protecting funding for the fort campbell middle school project democrats say the plan alien doesn't make sense the whole idea of taking projects that are desperately needed for national security and using it on the wall that they can't even get into straight. Excuse news why it's needed <hes> particularly egregious despite the president's unilateral action to divert money to his wall. Mr trump is slamming former president barack obama's daca program program which shields young undocumented immigrants from deportation tweeting obama. I never had the legal right to sign daca. Totally illegal document democrats say the president president has bigger immigration problems to solve like his own rhetoric in light of the el paso mass shooting. There is also a direct line from the rhetoric that we've heard from the president <hes> quelling immigrants <hes> thugs and rapes invaders infestation of this country country the murderer his own manifesto you some of the same terms practically quoted as what what the white house is planning to do to boost the economy economic adviser. Larry cudlow said mr trump may unveil a proposal for new tax cuts during the upcoming twenty twenty campaign but the president didn't try that one before heading into last year's midterms. Mr trump said there would be new middle class tax cuts. That never happened wolf all right jim. Thank you jim acosta at at the white house joining us now democratic congressman roque. He's on the oversight and armed services committees congressman. Thanks so much for joining us. <hes> what do you make of the president's refusal to accept the facts about his mistaken hurricane dorian forecast a wolf. We're a long way away from when jimmy carter promised the country that he would never ever tell a lie and the reason this is so disturbing is that there are no longer seems to be a common set of facts which we can agree on as a country and when you don't i don't have a common set of facts is very hard to make government work and this president refuses to even acknowledge basic errors and that's what people are finding so oh frustrating. Let's move on congressman as you know c._n._n. C._n._n.'s mono rajoub congressional correspondent has learned that house democrats <music> are looking right now to widen their impeachment probe when congress returns to washington next week. What can you tell us about that. Jerry nadler there is going to be beginning and impeachment inquiry a formal inquiry there now one hundred and thirty a fuss who are supporting that and that inquiry is going to look into issues of obstruction obstruction of justice but it's also going to look into issues about the illegal use of the office to private to have private gain <hes> <hes> you know the vice president's trip in ireland is a huge concern. Why is he staying in trump. Resorts lies the president continuing to benefit financially from the use of his office roll on that point you sit on the oversight committee what are democrats hoping to learn about the president's plan to hold the next g seven summit summit at his durell <hes> gulf resort near miami wolf. It's really simple. We need to learn whether there was any bidding done. I mean have they looked looked at the cost of they looked at what this would cost in the president's resort. What other options were considered. I mean anytime a company plans are at a conference you'll look at multiple bids and you choose the cheapest option has that kind of due diligence been done or is the president just dictating that these contracts these events events on u._s. Tax payer money are going to be happening at his private properties as you know democrats. They're already suing the president over his business interests. That case still tied up in court. Do you think the evidence you gather from this investigation might help your case absolutely we <hes> the president actually sued us are the oversight committee in his personal capacity saying that the american people didn't have a right to his financial information information. He's forgotten that he's president of the united states. I mean members of congress senators and the president have financial disclosure obligations and that financial information will corroborate a lot of what michael cohen testified to now almost a year ago where he said that there was an alleged criminal conspiracy a a financial fraud and cover up and i think that's what a lot of that financial information could show and as you point out democrats are looking at the vice president's recent. Stay eh trump. Property in ireland in your view congressman did that visit violate the law. I think it certainly violated. The spirit. Word of the law in in may have violated the letter of the law but here's what i don't understand. I mean we've had presidents in this country. Bipartisan basis put their assets in a blind trust us and not even the appearance of impropriety. Why does the president not just say people shouldn't be using or staying in my private property so that he puts this to rest instead. He's doubling down. He wants to increase his brand. Remember this as the reason he ran for president in the first place. He says he didn't think i think he was gonna win. He wanted to build his brand and now that he's in the white house he's building his brand and that should really offend the very essence of american democracy. I mean being in public. Office is a public trust. It's not for private profit representative rokon of california. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks wolf off up next more on the president. <hes> the hurricane forecast bat bat and the pen. Why can't he just admit he was wrong and then move on remember to create create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash c._n._n. Advocate dorian causes flooding strands some residents along the north carolina coast president president trump once again is defending the iranian prediction. You may days ago that the storm could hit alabama. Let's bring our experts to discuss gloria. Do you think the president is relishing this white over his mistake at hurricane forecast. Even if it comes at the expense of other very prestigious well i think at this point he's relishing polishing it because he's trying to turn it around and turn it into an issue of the fake news media and what he called today corrupt reporting still without in an apology and then went on for in this tweet sang there other things the fake news media hasn't apologized for new went back into the witch hunt and spy gate et cetera et cetera and what i think you're you're seeing here is the campaign and i think this is gonna take during the campaign which is effectively one of his enemies mies which has told us time and time again will be the media and this is just another way that he's that he's using that you know near the trump campaign is actually selling markers to commemorate the president's feud with the news media over hurricane doreen. What do you make of that. Yeah i mean it's you know in some ways typical and not surprising. It's silly. It's also i think pathetic right. I mean here's a hurricane real hurricane. The president obviously has this whole idea. Do you have a favorite directory of this. Hurricane others really serious for the folks in the bahamas of folks in the carolinas as well and for the president to make it about himself and this a a feud with the media. I think says a lot about his campaign. It says a lot also supporters right. I mean this is something that is ginny up his supporters. He had the leader of this campaign gene tweet this out this announcement about these pins that are available for the low price of fifteen dollars for five pins. This is what it's about. It's about with this fight with the media. It's about angering. <hes> you know the press so cold. That's what the campaign manager said that this ticks off the press. Which really doesn't i mean. I think it really shines the light on the president. He looks really small. He looks really pity. It looks like he's got a lot of time on his hands onto. It really don't matter. I think put him in a bad light. Make him look untrustworthy here. He is somebody who said something accurate in wanted to double down on it and and and really i think marshall so many people around him to really back backup his his fake story. You know susan the president's plan to divert money from the military to border wall is raising alarm among even republicans republicans including the senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell is home state of kentucky would lose funding for a middle school at fort campbell. Give us your analysis of the impact of these cancelled military projects billions of dollars that were supposed to go for military purposes now going to build this wall. Yeah we see this again and again. Mexico is he's not paying for this while the american taxpayers paying for the wall because the president wasn't able to convince congress not you've one of republicans controlled both houses to actually fund this wall would he's doing is he's reading the pentagon's budget so today. There's reporting that there's one hundred twenty seven projects that there's going to be deferred or canceled funding in order to fund this wall aw one of those projects. We don't know all of them. At least one of them is a middle school on a military base in kentucky overcrowded middle school thirty students to a classroom. They were promised just a new school for those military kids. Instead this is going. This money is going to be taken from those children in order to fund this vanity project but the this obsession of trump on the wall. I think it's worth noting this is an administration that went all on sort of trying to gin up the culture wars n._f._l. Players kneeling thing that they were so offended offended on behalf of the troops. These people would dishonor the u._s. troops now. We have an opportunity to actually honor the troops in service members of the united states military by educating hitting their children and supporting their families keeping promises to fund projects related to their safety and well being in the functioning of the u._s. Military misadministration has all too happy needed to grab that money in order to fund a wall that experts bipartisan experts again and again say is not effective at controlling border issues mark mazzetti these military leterrier projects that are about to be eliminated are spread across the united states but also there they include projects in japan and germany and other countries is this decision by the president going to have an effect on american alliances it certainly could both in the short term and in the long term as you said germany japan <hes> countries in eastern europe the united kingdom large and small projects where in the immediate term there might be a feeling that you know the united states <hes> is not as reliable allies at once was and some of the projects are actually <hes> potentially quite significant in those countries for instance. There's a special operations project in estonia that apparently is going to lose funding and this is directly impacting the readiness of its own special forces as they train for their fear of russian aggression so this is our frontline countries that are affected by this and again this has this has potential impact of over the long term in the questioned asia. The reliability united states everybody standby. There's a lot more news coming up right after a quick break the cases we gotta find who wrote this snow we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out police used luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in in blood the drama but where was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific victoria subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every monday and thursday. You'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix and we're back with our political. National security experts mark mazzetti. You have a really important fascinating new article in the new york. Mark times called the secret push the the secret history of the push to strike iran. Tell us more about what you learned. We decided to sort of try to better understand extend the current crisis with iran by investigating what's happened really over the last decade in this push by both american and israeli officials to launch a military harry strike on iran and this is the really the whole back story on how to understand what is going on in the brinksmanship right now between the u._s. Iran and israel real and we found that the israelis became came far closer to strike iran in two thousand twelve then we knew before we reveal the scope of the pressure campaign that netanyahu put on trump to get out of the iran nuclear deal and that leads us to this point now where it's a volatile moment where there's a poker game going on with all sides rides and it could escalate when all size don't have real knowledge of what the intentions are and that's why it's so dangerous. It's really really eye opening article very lengthy. I recommend our our viewers. Read it in depth. Meanwhile susan c._n._n. Has learned that the relationship between the president's national security adviser john bolton and the secretary of state. Mike pompilio has hit a new low. What kind of effect is that going to have on the president's national security team. It's a really as astonishing reporting says that essentially a john bolton and mike pompeo are barely even speaking outside of sort of formal meetings. We've seen from this administration. Sort of there's there's this constant sense of palace intrigue of people who who are in and people who are on the outs that leaves the question of who is setting this policy who has the president's ear. There's on really really important issues for example. The administration is engaged in serious talks about withdrawal from afghanistan peace talks with the taliban mike pompeo and and <hes> and john bolton has very very different views hard to understand and who is actually getting the president's ear who is setting u._s. Policy it also creates this this void on this opportunity for the president to come in and sort of and make these decisions decisions and governed by women and impulse and so we're back in a position which we may have really important foreign policy and national security is being based on who the president spoke to who last or frankly what television segment the president might have watched last that is not a stable situation for for allies or for adversaries and and so it really is a concerning concerning development to see these relationships deteriorate to this extent gloria <hes> and you know this. The president has indicated the actually likes it when members of his team are cas with one another. Do you think he's stoking this in some way. I don't think he has to stoke it very much. <hes> to tell you the truth i look this is a president who does thrive thrive on chaos and by the way we'll few and i've covered administrations. We all have where there's been friction between the national security team and the team at the state department that is not that is not new what is new here is the extent to which these people go out of their way now to avoid each other and the extent to which the president for example disagrees. He's with his own national security advisor. Who who who is an interventionist and you hear you have a president who's isolationist you wanna talk about out afghanistan etc talk about syria and so you you have an iran. You have a president who disagrees with with bolton. If bolton oaten leaves or is fired or resigns what it'll be because donald trump says you know what i don't like the fact that you disagree with the and on making the decisions here <hes> and also pompeo has really mastered the art of dealing with donald trump and i think that bolten is more in your face than palm peyot is and of course you know. We still don't know whether pompeo is actually gonna leave the administration at some point to run for the senate. Remember in in the state of kansas a lot of questions there you know nia. How do you see yeah aine wall to see how long bolton are remains in this administration. There have been so many officials around this presidency were they seem to be sort of on their last days but that can last for months and months and months so we'll see <hes> what happens with bolton who is clearly on the ounce with pompeo and as gloria said i at odds with how the president sees the world and how he sees america's place in the world. Everybody stick around. There's more news including alarming new evidence emerging right now. How about the gun seller who was the source of the assault style weapon used in that mass shooting in texas. Hi everyone poppy harlow here. I'm excited due to share some inspiring interviews coming up on boss files. 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Fifteen style rifle and that's what investigators believe happened here. They believed that the alleged seller of this firearm that was using was in the odessa midland shootings that that's what he was doing. He was manufacturing these things in his home and so earlier this week. There was a search that was done in the authorities. <hes> found evidence that they believe indicates that he was doing this as part of a business now what this does is it means that they can possibly bring charges against him for acting has an unlicensed manufacturer an unlicensed gun dealer and so that's what investigators are focusing on right now very very serious development indeed art evan. Thank you <hes> coming coming up. There's more news. We're following including airline. Mechanic goes to accused of sabotaging a jet that nearly took off with one hundred fifty people aboard board. Hey it's howard beck and i've got metta. World peace on bleacher reports the full forty eight. 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We have new information tonight on what the mechanic is being charged charged with and a possible motive and new questions being raised over whether this mechanic could have had the singlehanded ability to bring down that plane the the american airlines jet was rolling down the runway in miami with one hundred fifty people on board takeoff was in seconds when the pilots suddenly aborted it investigators investigators say the pilots had noticed an error in part of the navigation system which gives them a read on the plane's speed pitch and other critical data what they didn't know at that moment was that their plane had allegedly been sabotaged by a mechanic. This is a rare occurrence and it is a breach of trust on behalf of this mechanic and and i think he disgraced himself today. American airlines mechanic abdulmajid maruf men alani appeared in court in a prison jumpsuit alana's charged with trying to sabotage the flight prosecutors say alani admitted that before takeoff he access the plane's navigation system through part of a tube which connects to it in an attempt to disable it. The mechanic is accused of stuffing foam and gluing it into the tube that connects to a computer and an obstructed it so you couldn't get an accurate airspeed prosecutors say alani was caught on surveillance footage investigators say he claimed he had no no intent to cause harm to the aircraft or its passengers but experts say that's exactly what could have happened under worse circumstances. The pilots could have become confused confused could have become distracted and it could have caused the crash and prosecutors say it was all about money. According to court documents alani told investigators gators he was upset over a contract dispute between the mechanics union and the airlines he allegedly claimed the dispute had cost him money according to the criminal complaint quote alani claim that he tampered with the target aircraft in order to cause a delay or have the flight cancelled in anticipation of obtaining overtime work a key question tonight tonight. Our mechanics like alani monitored well enough to make sure they are emotionally stable. There's no real ongoing examination of what's going on in their life life and there's a there's a tension there between you know is it anyone's business that a mechanic got divorced or or that he suffered a financial nanteuil harmon is life and and <hes> and whether that that mechanic's v at work tonight american america airlines has issued a statement saying the allegations against the mechanic or quote disturbing and disappointing to all of us that the airline has trust in its safety procedures and is cooperating operating with authorities. The mechanics union in a statement says it condemns any conduct that jeopardizes the safety of an aircraft mechanic is tonight under suspension bench. He has not entered a plea in connection to the late july incident wolf very disturbing development indeed brian todd. Thank you very much coming up breaking news that survivors. 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BoN 2019/25  Belgian GP Preview

Box of Neutrals

35:29 min | 2 years ago

BoN 2019/25 Belgian GP Preview

"Piss box trolls with by calama nacho. James paid them again lane from the a._b._c. which stands for buddies ca. Ah we're recording this episode this week. We're not allowed to even park at the one spot because we can't afford to pay for the parking here with your house. Band kaleida thought rose and the water to go sleep on the street. Orchestra is back with the belgian grand prix which means we're back except we went nowhere last week. We talked about nothing but this week finally something to consider. The cricket was coming home. The motor jay pay was coming home. <hes> carlo maims a-coming harm it was i i summit to remember <hes> over in europe this weekend and a wind certificates back aid us riley s._r. I'm very excited for the belgian girls this weekend. I'm still doing my best trying to forget everything. That's fading emotional week. It's been a long emotional wake for australians. In general i think probably will continue to be given ricotta. Continues can use to drive for renner consider the later on as well but could have a new team could for me to want to have a new esteban. Okon wanted to say one really and water prepared for the least exciting story of the week. We'll talk about that because chase carey do on this. Week's episode box of neutrals was a a young boy. The chaumet pita mcginlay trail. He said ed f one is bullshit because just go round in circles. They don't go anywhere previewing the belgian girl bree is his box of neutrals michael and robert james four one finally. We've got some stuff to think about talk about the summer. Break concept is just basically a normal wake gap between grown prayed just another week added at the end of it too much of a summer break to towards a batting australian guy for two months they actually do it is remarkable. Al qaeda me's grace. We literally shut down for two months creek beach volleyball so for europe i i feel sorry for you consi- but <hes> but you have opened the one indecent jason zion say yeah some you win some you don't even go to page volleyball so maybe something that we can work lengthy summers and we start with such a good bryce belgian grand prix which will consider light because maybe hope it's a good rice. It's got a lot to live up to your after the last full grown spray. I almost forgot that formula. One was good for maybe they. Maybe it's forgotten how good it actually it will be boring. Well we gotta. You gotta wear countries. I took formula one races at the start of the get good so by abu dhabi right yeah that's all is a riot that praising it always ariffin grocery dribble loss you died because it was all remember single on the remember was easily petro blocking fernando alonzo and even remember the highlights wait a minute. The who else really remembers that rice anyway controlled yet wakes awesome screaming about it. I think <hes> he's told he's talent and you have much had this week dr in formula one two big things happening. We'll start with this one because it's less louis information to run on but all of my d rankin he rinkins that a new team called panthera team asia if one is the name of some kind of heavy heavy metal band. Maybe sarah some kind of holding company. Shell company for money laundering. I shouldn't alleged. It's based in the u._k. Anyway that's the one thing this story which he wrote on race. Fans doesn't explain is the asia component of his name because as far as i can tell it's based in england the people who are working for an early english. I don't know what the component is here but i don't know maybe they'll race. Under an asian licensed india force india was based in the very in the very <hes> southeast southeast asian town where silverton where probably the closest into <hes> the cuisine was sort of curry chips. It's it's well always vomit that curry curry. Could you imagine do they have curry worst in germany seventeen sausage sausage with curry sauce cheese they. I'm sure they've got curry chips on that. I've never seen them here. Bell movements in a <hes>. I tand must be pulling israeli really ready access to bathrooms. There has to be lost loan. It's probably fair to say who who thought we take that tune anyway pen thera tame major apparently seeking entry into formula one by twenty twenty one but what's the business model who they're going to align themselves. It's good that's the question are they going is harare going to <hes> make an essay team. Maybe he's a div and if i'm going to do l. for what about hundred could could be with red bull. Same could be like what this could be a red here. Red bull saito like apparently ridgeville in thailand is pretty much close to guess. I think i actually use it to pay off planes over their potent. I've heard this that it's different thailand. I'll maybe it's the knockoff red bull over there it sort of is it says red bologna but clearly resenting aerial black forms not quite the same dollars and knock exactly the same thing where you photocopy something. That's moving on the screen. Here doesn't have to abide by european food safety <music> regulation so they can put can be more potent than the stuff elsewhere around the world. Maybe maybe this'll be. Maybe this'll be as knock off off expert. Wouldn't it be a good idea if they say. Let's say this is the asia part of it right panther. I didn't even pant remains. Maybe made something mailbox inches. Will oh come you think it means something it could be because rebels started in thailand is cracking detangle something also mail in what is it cold skull something else what if they just in the same way toward also is italian for red bull just do these thailand version and they could become. I'm the riddled say team. Call themselves cracking the whatever it is very slowly learn a lot of languages because of my knowledge of geographies miceli by saran motorsports. Let's say kay phrases swearing finish yes. I says you don't learn anything for college in circles. It's a good use of sunday nights. If i knew a little bit earlier in <music> apparently they're gonna follow the haas constructive models so yes. It does beg the question. Who will they buy stuff from. Oh okay gunther steiner is the current haas <hes> etame principle but we need another cer- quintessential team principal and he's a nine from way way way back a talks of neutrals hang on build up to the that we got my prediction is the team principal will be favored undetake your principal who's just stories appease doctor call us words. Oh i have not even literally. I really just paint pandera formula. Mcginley is take my way off the call us will be somehow involved in this that will i would be impressed completely surprised her. I would it be i couldn't be who else could it be. It's a good question. It could be your bank on him being. I feel like they've already got. Some people involved from the former manatee ain't panama as a technical director. Why not have all of the like if you combined all of those three filed new team. Surely you'd get one competent team so why not have colin commerce us what a base success for the twenty twenty one regulations and because i think what we discussed it the other way where hasn't really encouraged <music> new manufacturers because honda cain what twenty i announced the arrival in twenty thirteen foods fourteen fifteen <hes> we haven't me meow. No one else has come to the forever. Sort of room had links of audi ovais dub has not eventuated forgot another team. We've got we've inherited at haas. <hes> in basics hybrids era. We've were potentially going to get these new asian team so if we get more teams on the grid is that does that negate and engine manufacturers now coming in i guess but there's a kind of there's an irony in that the older loopholes shingle loophole that would just the regulations that allowed haas to stotts strongly and now continue to let thrive at potentially being changed but what is only one so. There's this weird situation where i mean it would be a good thing because is it. Would you know they'd be entering in a situation where theoretically the racing is closer and everyone knows how much they're going to spend is going to be a budget cap so that's a good place for the regulations nations but it's weird they think they into by twenty twenty one without actually knowing what any of the regulations a- none of them have been confirmed at all so maybe more realistically this is like a twenty twenty me to attend. Maybe they are just really gonna try twenty twenty one and do a u._c._f. One team and never rupp hope. It's not the but the good news is that williams at at least have someone to <hes> to <hes> twenty one zevon legit entry it or anything like that are not we know about the muslim whose name oh you should do a podcast on filed if once thought up south boy episode one u._s._f. One but also the remember the stick grown pray team darnall ready for full. We long for macau how they rented from a good time. The forward on was more shambolic. The entire episode on formula one bay eighty pretending the three teams didn't knicks list. Let's let's do the teams that never existed in the first place with a one x. Yes yeah do that from the one after doc. Look to keep it on anybody but the biggest bruma slash story of this week has been this unfolding esteban okon story willie be back in formula and who the be racing wis couple of different publications have suggested yes he will be back in formula one. No it won't be with mercedes. Auto builds motor sport in germany and france johnson leaky have both reported that he's heading towards renard although renault hasn't confirmed apparently these are the reports hasn't decided it's going to get rid of nico berg even though they could would be entitled to do so. He's out of contacted into us. Well there's none of this sort of mid contracts maneuvering in which case one of them the whole khumbu grow rokon laterano hokey booted from there with potentially refilled remember john say at hoss and then remember john would probably go to form the sites nice ice saturday the ecosystem out of this <hes> former the one sent to pay these re a will stay within the system but in different <hes> she's <music>. I'm john would be excreted it to be. I think so unless someone else wish you pick him up that will be ashamed to say remind garage on that of i finally kind of decided on such a division of character in formula character but a defensive driving driver in that a lot of people don't write him and it's sort of easy to understand why but we've seen that he's so quick when the car works obviously the car is no good at fundamentally is good but they conquer your at to make it work. He can be so quinn. It's old switched on and has never had that nice a window of opportunity to do that because of course when he was at lotus at pretty much was running out of money was about to fall left for haas and had some good times there and now have they apparently gonna looking like they're gonna get rid of him. I think it'd be would be a real shame. It would be but i think haas needs that rejuvenation to tell you the truth. I need something interesting interesting. Question is was raised by some people in the paddock in the last couple of races when i was over there the idea that nico berg is definitely been talked about before not only overrated. Did you know what you think about this. Because the first first response was not how i ended up thinking by the end of it worst driver in formula imitate it up who hasn't scored podiums in formula one and why excellent had never been on the podium record-holder would hold a full most starts without a party. Yes heartfelt. Had podiums truly even wanna grown pray of all time i should say just at the moment at least so statistically the worst grown pray draw. Let's go through this. I hate to play games. Who's he west. Let's go through the list of current drivers at the moment to assad being overpaid him as he let me check that drives at the moment. Let's go through them so let's see cross off. Some quick ones lewis hamilton. Veltri bought has max tappin special chelsea click. We can comfortably say that they'd better than kimmy. Reichman probably can comfortably say that daniel ricardo. I think so now it's going to some of them will questionable areas one-party p._a. Guiseley who's better between hogan begging gosling question to answer at this point in time yeah yeah it's huckabee. He's fourth. He's finished. I think so. Has he ever finish with good question. I don't know what he's highest finishes to carlos sainz i would say he's better than nico hokey doc and then another so now this is almost unfair because gasoline had a career to us. Nick berg has had a career for nearly exactly a decade exactly sorry in the style of things yeah. Well yeah satistics the worst driver on the grid. Unfortunately statistically let's say at this time i was outraged by the proposition i think about it and actually marley's the worst driver on the you know he's like you're you're at if you look at on a black and white stroll has podiums one yeah to seize that's that's blake east blake and so the drivers don't have podiums. Most of them are rookies. So you kind of again i will say and the rest i would say comfortably better without him so we talk about we lament the idea that he'd lose his reynosa but he has had opportunities at random to school podiums and has learned them on his own for as podiums uh-huh and peres comfortably. I would magnusson how to party and comfortably outperformed him over the course of the tenure india. Yeah definitely app performed if not comfortably. It's a weird thing but i think that's sort of that's accurate and then the question is who's better between human groan. Congressional podiums do right hokey bigger. John grows on at the moment maintain podiums. That's more than i thought he did. All right oh babe he did okay so if we're talking about home big grown who should have the hoc- i'm less convinced that when people say of course cajones go to go that that should be the case yeah no. That's that's that's hang on sorry. Let's look the tiebreaker has to bay. He's interesting things so <hes> ad hoc biggs eggs had one hundred and sixty eight stotts whereas greg jones had one hundred and fifty five over the numbers here oregon skewed so because pretty similar. Let's we didn't half a season ten sixty thousand fifty five zero one sixty eight one three two one one sixty eight to one fifty five so that's only the neely jason so hokum. Beg has had four hundred enunciate one points <hes> gra genres had three hundred through tonight nine points so if it was purely a tiebreaker between korea points hogan bay smash. John greg jones by the west drive. If we capena that's interesting that is interesting is i had a welding more points neely over one hundred points difference so we has been the knicks you've got to there is where they respectively being driving. Nicole can pretty much always being in good midfield car whereas mango john. I don't think that's but then again maybe has much the case also because it grows yawn started to dave start at the same time. How many years have grown have he may be had more time before the point system was was <hes> increased dramatically. He's another tiebreaker for you michael now to share something very similar outside to form the one. They have both rice at the twenty five more. Oh this crucial question three or four hundred one in the two thousand ten. Oh my god do you know who else raced at lebron in the year two fifteen twenty fifteen yes yes and who therefore the mcginley code then orders or mangrove. John is the worse for the on-drive of all thai yeah well that wraps it up. Inclusively is very long winded. Why would we go there. In the end. Just wrap this dr macrumors that obviously means veltri bought us secure mercedes in fact the interesting relic is again. What is going on means is going to be good at belgium. Jamais these tested a ford and toyota. He's literally driven every single world rally car. He hasn't driven a why he must be going. The way fernando alonso must be planning heading into the one day so you get resigning mercedes the stories that will probably be announced before belgium. I expect given he's right. It's only going to be one years. This against this is why we got this icon exactly going somewhere else just quickly quickly because it's hasn't been widely enough reported ordered to give it a lot of credence but the people who have reported it a very reputable. It's been reported in motorsport magazine not as facts but as something that's being talked about bat by mchugh noisy stuff extremely credible journalists and elsewhere other places that sort of add up. It's a story going around that in hungary the i'm gary grumpy and put a pass sebastian bill very lengthy meeting with red bull racing about china. Go back there incredible. I know i don't believe it but this has been reported by other people adviser. Again is a room of a room. That's being backed up so no one's reported it as fact but it's appearing enough that makes you think it could be happening so the story that of course there's a performance clause in the contracts of all these these top drivers to same kind of clothes that allowed vital to leave in the first place because he wasn't in the top threes man standing ending in the drivers championship which is also not now probably won't be given ferrari's is the whiting's that he could be manufacturing away to return red bull racing where he feels like he has a bit a long term future at bay elva homecoming ecessary agree with that theory. No i was surprised i was shocked and i'm surprised is he would think that as well in terms of a ca- the discussion that we had a bet the bay drive. I like a homework. Steady set of hands and experience led the team. That's talking big of a grudge on clearly what doing talking about whether the topic between those sir <hes> vessel would be obvious choice choice but for mine he would need to slaughter hidden very decisively as a number two which would be the dynamic between veteran's homecoming and max with staff already owning the team essentially would be so interesting imagine video yeah you can come to the one only four world titles with but you have to be. You'll not win them with us. We'll have to play second fiddle. That's the only way i could say it and also like if you want to give this craze from the red bull side because also from that side i found it kind of difficult to believe considering that they he essentially walked out on them. Although the terms of very good we know that also the other reason why sort of super unbelievable as we know that sebastian often goes and visits people at red bull because obviously i grew up essentially essentially a family but if you'll red bull racing at the moment right. You've just dropped guys he's. He's he's backed. It's all daniel. That's not happening because that already happened in the alex l. One could work at we don't know yet. Let's say you got no one else if you really want to keep that pride and only have red bull backed drivers racing for red bull racing sebastian vittles set. It's that criteria sort of a weed white as save face weirdly. Do you know who they be ignored. They let go of carlson's. I reckon i'll be so annoyed because look at a good easter cleared. He'd be such a safe pair of hands yeah yes. They probably have to stop their fathers from punching in the garage but i think i think sorts mclaren is perfect because he can make his aren't mockery. They doesn't have to be in the verstappen shadow. It's true definitely all. This was always going to be chrissakes six. We'll always going to be the case. Is it going to be that thing where every year two different dr l. never have a permanent second drive at the base. It's going to be solid number two nick. That's going to be very interesting. I say we said there's going to be something about green credentials but it's a boring story. It's about chase carey thankful to promote the greenness of the sport the hybrid engines. I want to talk about synthetic fueled and things well. That's what they're gonna do for the rest of you just like recycled bottles of water. Oughta is that is that is like the electric car. It's like yeah it's missions but have you seen what it comes from the acidy the first for the water out of recycled plastic bottles previewing the belgian grand prix michel manado and rav james. It's books of neutrals we had done with the speculation is the refiled someone should should call. It doesn't undo the one room is on the room file great beat of f one information if you from europe you really wanna tell someone com publish. It just cole cole three hundred dollars. I swear it's one thing on the rim. If off your about the growth per year about formula one might be better. That's fine that paul the tax payers money's gone. It's not here. It's built a friend's house a belgian grand prix this weekend to be deal value formula back nine races to go temp the jobs over that but this could be this next week between belgium and italy ferrari's best chance to actually win a race this time last year they did in fact. I've already given it away but guess winfrey's last week was in kimmy racket in the u._s. I'm last year this time last year sebastian battles last week in sydney this time last austere dominated really the belgian grand prix qualifying paul because it was wet and friday going to wait last year and then rose matter of two corners or something like that go pastas hamilton to never challenged again easily won winter. Italy is because they engine so good. News is such a passenger wendy italy. I one two in since two thousand something's contain maybe on a night so long time anyway and then absolutely bottled the same cooked and mercedes finish one in three and they did that cute little formation thing at the end to show colleagues they said anyway. It's a horrible time that season unraveled from their incentive to way back formula one's back in belgium ending italy ferrari still has the college passes in the straight line the most baffling engine they finally finally got a shot to not only make good on where they made mistakes but to actually get a race win this year because other than these two races. I don't think we really got any power. Circuits left that. I can think of so you seem at the rest of them. They're going to be second or third best. How much pressure is that for them huge because this is the time where they really have to sean. There's one fifty point gap in the constructors standings between mercedes and ferrari but that's a bit of a fighter compla- <hes> middle is remarkably the leading ferrari driver <hes> chase at german chrome peru's klay bad. He's one hundred nineteen off of hamilton but yeah remarkably well. Sequester sobat bought has pretty easily sixty point of how he's leading stepping in the standings but yes say that he gets a bad rap. I agree great. I'm glad that someone else should be close up. Yeah winged thing but he did have why many crash you look good running. Congratulations on your exterior is going to dominate after these podcasts after we just sitting here in new york the big question so we've got spa whatever happens they get to italy lee. Maybe they wouldn't spend maybe they don't forget grocery lots of ferrari fans because they have been paying attention to the stuff of the year i guess and then maybe they look look at the front row again. Last year. They were criticized for not using team orders because i can go on paul that precipitated sebastian vittles we'd move on hamilton and rockin nettie crashed and it was a terrible right off that is we'll take. I've used anymore dirty season. Is it going to be a two weeks now. Races of team orders variety to tune sure they get someone to the chicken flag. I yeah it's a tricky on because i don't know who's got the most amanda stame pow through the rest of the season like say special describing the shit said well. Why would he yeah well. Nope depends on depend on that. It's interesting because they've been so willing and ready to use team motivator and early in the year. It seemed more question because obviously the points difference is already bigger this style because of the start of the year as you already said the points gap between them is kind of light is legit twenty. What is that twenty. Something points steady eighteen points one nine months one fifty six to one thirty two. That's <hes> twenty four points so nearly rice wins. It's a decent module yeah so by that function by that token. Faris already said they would favor sebastian violent situations. He's also leading in the championship so yeah. That's a fairly default position for a team to favor. I guess he'd get deed. Vantage of good causes weekend unless leclerc comes out as he has done a couple of times this year and is absolutely just being the foster drive throughout throughout the weekend. I it's going to be wakened by wakened proposition everybody they grow into pray. Will i think determine who i will be backing for the leadership of the ferrario ati what happens if they don't we didn't spot could happen yeah get to italy leclerc bates fiddled to weeden had his fatal respond to that crumbles in hape probably would he cry on the podium. Do you think the bull he'd be straight up. Mater there. You gotta toros i for for lebel lebel and then flies back where he started to go back to where it all started. I cooked he could be good. It's going to be very interesting. It's gonna very interesting couple of weeks for ferrari. It's also big test for honda mercedes e but they sort of default rethink they could at least be second but hunters my this. He's gonna be the real test of how much progress they have made because i was gonna say they've made a lot of progress and certainly they have because he's to going to pray shoot hurt in theory. Regrettably i haven't looked at mclaren and was i don't know how it happened loss so we're also but they might be accepts arnie with irregular upgrades but every week they seem to be getting a little bit more out of the engine riddled sort of talked about this that they refining joining the single specification eeking more parry out of it and it hasn't been a reliability disaster as we predicted because we saw last year terresa weren't too too shabby put they went through truth through thirty two engines brinton lease car. It's been otherwise reliable. I've the haven't had the sort of truth through engines between sessions and the longevity of it seems are high so she's a good news story for them to be where they're at. I think that's a good thing they will take penalties light of it. Probably this right only one set. Maybe and they looking at russia because they think that there's an opportunity what comes before russia is a singapore singapore. Obviously i can be good and then they don't wanna take penalty in japan obviously so russia that could be they wanted melanie b five races left and there's remarkable. They'll be able to do those five races running. It's a default. Drop your worst round con fomento because we've farcical format of we have like you only have two engines to work with. I've <hes> grown spray. That's crazy and also no one cares about the russian grown so you got what does it matter. I must say he's probably do very well and finally we're going to talk about right now because because this is really going to be bring updates to spots already they not going to be that good probably and it's also a test for their power unit because possibly there will be showing up as the worse. This engine compared to honda after these next two weekends. We don't know we'll have to wait and see because it's dan services that kind of stuff but unfortunately for inner we'll be looking at maclaren's results rather than rhinos to see just how would that engine could be because that's certainly in the story of the whole year to date mclaren's got nearly double points so far this season or bap double remers points the good reflection on the team but they've really got to stop to prove that this idea that they can underspend their rivals and still beat them because they're smarter can work because if they get to the end of the season of made no progress on mclaren. Why should anyone believe. They're gonna be better next year if they come close next year. Why should anyone believe that. 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They're going to be a great in october but the big thing is so formula one can say it's is going to reduce the downforce lost to the cobb on five percent compared to forty to fifty at the moment but it does rely on every team building exactly the saying that cars specifically and already ferrari in the last week or so's come out and said we're not happy with the number of standard parts being prescribed not happy with the lack of technical go freedom and of course the sport wants less technical rating because they never get closer to making that car but if we have lists and gary will probably get some amount of its way and presumably mercedeses this is a similar opinion and all the big constructive because it gives them an opportunity to build a quicky car the less the less. 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Elizabeth Warren explains economic stimulus coronavirus package

All In with Chris Hayes

46:59 min | 1 year ago

Elizabeth Warren explains economic stimulus coronavirus package

"Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. Everything is different now. It is disorienting and surreal to remember where we were just a week ago and see where we are now and to imagine where we might be a week from today the whole world is battling an unprecedented enemy really. This corona virus pandemic. It is going to take drastic measures drastic social disruption for us to get on top of it. We are starting to see what the disruption and the consequences of the outright outbreak. Looks like day by day right now? We have over forty three hundred confirmed cases in the US but we know there are many many more out there. Testing is still ramping up. Those are just the ones we're finding. We are still catching up to the true number of cases looking at countries ahead of us on this curve. Italy is in dire straits. The country reported today that three hundred and forty nine more people had died in just the last twenty four hours. France and Spain have joined Italy under basically national lockdown. Here at home is looking more and more like we are headed in the very same direction. Start at midnight. Six point seven million people that live in San Francisco and surrounding counties are prohibited from leaving their homes except for essential needs in an effort to stop the spread of the virus there and is basically the shelter in place order that we already saw Italy and across Western Europe. Now Ohio Governor. Mike DeWine says his State should postpone its primer is scheduled to take place tomorrow saying quote we cannot tell people stay inside but also tell them to go out and vote now. I should say a court rejected that idea short while ago. But that is likely to be appealed. The decision could be reversed right now. Schools in thirty five states have closed several major cities outside. Those states have done the same last night. The Centers for Disease Control issued a warning against gatherings of more than fifty people for at least the next eight weeks even though this is a pandemic that we're trying to get a handle on the country right now as it stands we do not have a national shutdown like in Italy. We're seeing instead the country moving in that direction kind of piecemeal way state and local leadership as well as civil society has been forced to fill the vacuum left by frankly and astoundingly negligent federal response an example just today. The Governor of New York New Jersey Connecticut issued a joint announcement closing all bars gyms restaurants and theaters restricting restaurants to drive through or takeout earlier today. The president was on a teleconference with the nation's governors telling them when it comes to ventilators quote. Try Getting it yourselves. He then took a shot at New York governor. Andrew Cuomo the guy who's just announced a plan with New Jersey and Connecticut to begin. Take control this thing. The president tweeted. He has more to do to which correspondent quote. I've do more no. You had to do something you are supposed to be the president throat this crisis which has been building now for months the response. The president has ranged from absentee to negligent to actively harmful at almost every turn president trump either publicly downplayed the risk or failed to act proactively such that. We are now very very far behind on Friday. The president is able to pull a stunt with thirty minutes until the markets closed rally the stocks. Today he came out again finally finally appearing to grasp and communicate the seriousness and duration of the pandemic market has been there for a while however they've seen what's coming today. The Dow closed down three thousand points the biggest single day point loss of all time the second largest percent loss. It is very hard for all of us to get our heads around this moment. Because there's no obvious precedent for what we are currently facing and will continue to face for weeks and months. I mean I say this is the father of kids. We're not in school for at least the next six weeks or so. The closest parallels we have at hander disaster preparedness and recovery. We saw New Orleans and the Gulf coast after Hurricane Katrina War war mobilization were to to an extent. We have not seen in over half a century but the one advantage that we have here. We think on that scale that scale of the challenge is we have something to collectively combat society helpless mobilized towards that aim. And if we get it right. We will not be dealing with the level of sheer physical destruction. Our grandparents had do during the war or the people of New Orleans had to deal with after the hurricane. If we can get this right we can rebuild very quickly but we have to get it right joining me now from on how we accomplish that Greg Gonzalvo his assistant professor at the Yale School Medicine and Dr Gary Procup Vice Chair of Pathology Laboratory medicine at the Cleveland Clinic. Dr Gonzales says let me start with you on this. Where do you see us right now? Are you encouraged by the dramatic steps? We've seen the last seventy two hours in terms of shutting things down to try to maximize social distance and slow the spread of the virus. Look we have no choice? We have to institute social distancing measures. Some of which the President Dan his team outlined today. But there's no virtue in late adoption. We lost three months in trying to combat this new virus by delays and equivocations and disavowals about the importance of this epidemic. And so we're doing what we should do right now. But there's a big question about it. It was too little too late. Dr procup from the testing and surveillance standpoint. Where do you see us right now? In terms of our ability to get is on the virus and have a sense of its actual scale and the ramping up of testing which has been increasing daily. But he's still not there yet. That's exactly right Chris. We are ramping up. If we had been allowed to test earlier we would be where we needed to be. And knowing which patients have this virus in which do not so they could go into self quarantine. But we're we are catching up and ramping up. But tell me more about what that means. I mean I know there's been. Some regulatory hurdles have been done away with for the FDA. There's both private labs their common platforms being used. It strikes me though is still hard. Even in the epicenter of outbreaks to get easy and reliable point of care testing. Is that fair? That's absolutely fair so I will say once. The regulatory burdens were lowered van laboratories that were really highly skilled laboratories. Were able to bring up this test. I will say though. There are delays from most of the commercial manufacturers for the instruments there are delays in reagents. So many of these things are hamstringing many of the common laboratories and we're nowhere near point of CARE Testing Greg Lie. We're now in a situation. We're undertaking mass essentially forced quarantine. Right I mean the thing you've seen in San Francisco what we've seen in Italy and in France and in Spain and Greece. I saw this tweet. Today was fascinating and I wanted to get your on it in terms of how testing inter-plays with the policy. We need this is blue bottle. Blue bottle is closing stores but staying open in Japan and South Korea where the virus has also spread because they have quote extensive testing and medical support. Clearly in place. There is a cost. We're paying in not being able to know where the virus is we cannot. We cannot precisely targeted our efforts for prevention or to mobilize resources for care in the coming healthcare surge because we don't know where Infections are and what extent they exist across the country and so we're doing brute force measures right now because we don't have any testing capacity to give us a clear picture of what's going on across the United States. You'RE A deputy biologist you've dealt with other infectious diseases and outbreaks. Before a bunch of health experts issued a letter. I think about two weeks ago about best practices how to how to attack this. How are we doing on that We're doing slightly better but we are still failing on most of the points. We outlined the letter for instance as you started a restaurant in bars or closing across many cities and states across the United States. Where are these people going to find their livelihoods over the next two months there needs to be an immediate a provision of some sort of economic relief to many people who are? GonNA LOSE THEIR JOBS. Have NO SICK PAY. Who HAVE NO VACATION PAY? Do not have the option of working from home over the next six to eight months. Mitt Romney today said we should give every American thousand dollars a month for the next few months that distort and both parties should agree to it and get it going now. Dr procup. I talked to a bunch of doctors over the weekend. Some here in New York City Emergency Room. Doctors were very concerned. In fact one today told me that today you could see it in the Er that it was. It was really palpable today. How much coordination is happening? We have a very fragmented. Healthcare System in America unlike a place like Italy between hospitals between doctors and between regions or anyone who is coordinating folks like yourself and others to sort of be together planning so that places can prepare. That don't have a huge outbreak. Now for what's coming I would say there's non great coordination overall it takes individual groups to coordinate. I will say within our city within Cleveland. The leaders of the medical institutions have gotten together and talked how they can coordinate for example. You know we. We've coordinated the drive through swabbing area with university hospitals so it takes individuals to take the initiative to coordinate. There's not great coordination above that. But there really should be all right. Greg Gonzales Dr procup. Thank you both for sharing tease for important. I WanNA bring it now. Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont today announced his State is Coordinating Corona virus response efforts with New York and New Jersey Governor. Tell me how you and those other governors came to make the decision issue the announcement today about Jim's and bars and restaurants and like Chris. You summarized it very well In your introduction. You can't wait for the feds to take the lead so is a small state of Connecticut. Doesn't work for me just to do Restaurants and bars alone so do it in coordination with Andrew. Cuomo New York and Murphy. Down in New Jersey makes a lot of sense. I was on the phone with Rhode Island today. So we're taking the lead where the feds have fallen off. We've got lead but I'm GonNa tell you what really brings it home was luck last night The bars are pretty crowded in this city and people were taking this to heart now. They're closed people. Know this is real. It's notable I think I've looked at some metric today about traffic and things like that. Clearly this this is having effect. What are you doing at the state level? What are your Public Health? Experts telling you about how to understand what's coming your way. I was on the phone with all the hospital system today. And we've got to do a lot more now. We're GONNA have a hit on our ICU. Intensive Care Unit so we have no idea what's coming and that's going to mean more people. More nurses more beds more equipment more ventilators. We're not getting much help from the feds. That has the president said Go. Get Your own ventilators. But you don't get that at Amazon Dot Com. We're working this hard to do what we can to prepare for. That wave is just a week or two away are there. Are there simple. Clear things In terms of say Medicaid reimbursement the federal government could be doing could be stepping in to aid your efforts right now that you're not getting well you've described the testing in some detail right now. I've got to do a better job of convincing folks. If they're ill they're not feeling right. They may have some early case of the flu. Stay home take care of you in terms of getting paid. Take Care of you in terms of health care but you gotta have the get up and go to stay home. Stay home going to the office going to work going to school. That's a dangerous place to be these days. If you're not feel right I get that message. We've been communicating avenue. Reviewers that that basically at this point we need to keep ers clear for the most at risk but as you think about your ICU's reaching a capacity potentially as the pandemic grows like what do you need. What resources do you need? And where can you get them in? Can you get them from federal government? Are there easy things a federal government can do for you? Well I can tell you. Danbury hospital is already at capacity and they have two hundred. Nurses are on furlough because they were in contact. If I could test those nurses I could potentially get them back into the game suitor. You've got you've got two hundred nurses sitting on the sidelines right now. Who can't get back to work because they can't be tested to confirm whether or not they have the virus exactly we got a surge in us. Demand is going up and I'm losing nurses by the day we'll have to furlough themselves for a period of time. That's a priority for testing for me. Where are testing capacities going up? But it's going up very incrementally and that's dangerous on the economic front. You heard what Greg said. Obviously this is enormous social disruption enormous economic disruption and hardship. What can the state do? And what are things that only the federal government can do? What are you planning? We are working with our small businesses right now. We have a lot of folks in the service sector you know. They're stored their business their restaurant there. Are that stopped. And what can we do to help them get through? How can we provide You know unemployment compensation to their folks are covered for a period of time. I'm providing small business loans right now to help them cover this bridge. We have loan forgiveness or at least making sure that they don't have to pay any interest and principal for the next three or four months giving enough confidence. They'll be able to power through this frontal question for you. I know there's a teleconference with President today and obviously you're coordinating with regional governors here. You said you're talking. The Governor of Rhode Island does there exist daily call for St Staff of Governors. To Be on coordinating every day here. Yeah we're picking up the void. I gotTa tell you what we did with New Jersey New York. Connecticut I think is the first real regional for. We're going to do this on a regular basis. I've also got a Charlie Baker Gina Raimondo in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. We've got to work together closely. We gotta figure out where the hospital assets Howatson deploy them. Where do we get the beds in the nurses so there are conversations about that kind of movement between regions different places? We're going to have this different times. Exactly I hope other regions are doing the same thing. Best on on a national basis. Best done with a national leadership shorter that we've got to go ahead as governors we are. I've been really impressed with the initiative. The governor's showing all right governor Ned. Lamont Connecticut thank you sir. We've got breaking news on what the trump administration could have done to repair but did not and there are some bold proposals on how to help people as we struggle to get through this and then out of Senator Elizabeth. Warren joins me next. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with writer and author Adam Higginbotham on his book. Midnight INTERNAL ULTIMATELY. What happened is they got used to doing these things that the regulations said the you should not do. But at the same time they were given these ridiculous deadlines that are given these extraordinary production quotas so something had to give on. This was typical throughout the Soviet workplace. And so they ended up doing these things that were dangerous. They were lulled into a false sense of security that they could get away with pushing this reactor around would kind of take any punishment and then one day. You know turnaround embiid. That's this week. I'm why is this happening? Search wise happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe and listeners. It's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America our latest episode NBC National Reporter. Aaron Horne heads to Lordstown Ohio one year after General Motors shuttered. The Chevy Cruz plant. Gm has gone but there are other economic opportunities coming into the region. So how do people feel about their future? Nineteen ninety-seven there is almost ten thousand members working at General Motors from the summer of two thousand sixteen till when General Motors shuttered. The plant I lost sixty percent of my business search for into America wherever you are listening now and subscribe. If you're a bond villain in the midst of this amick wanted to create a situation designed to maximally spread the infection among Americans. You would be hard pressed to do better than the scenes from major. Us airports this weekend. This is JFK airport in New York City on Saturday. This is what Dallas Fort Worth Airport. Looked like the same day. This is Chicago's O'hare airport. We're lines to get through customs. Were up to seven hours long for passengers packed in closely with one. Another all coming in from countries. Battling the corona virus outbreak. All of those people were frantically returning to the US because the president hastily announced travel ban the details of which were unclear and then apparently failed to adequately staff airports to deal with the entirely predictable. Influx this is just one in a set of actions taken by the administration that made the problem worse and almost certainly infected people but this is part of the course this White House going back two years ago and the ministration demoted the pandemic team the National Security Council to the President Spending. The last few weeks telling us it was all under control. The numbers were going down not up to the catastrophic and as you just heard continuing failure around testing to just earlier today with the president told New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. He needs to do more and just breaking tonight. Further evidence of missed opportunities by the trump administration political reporting. The trump team was briefed about the need for pandemic planning all the way back before they took office in early twenty. Seventeen one of the people in that meeting joins me now. White House cabinet secretary under President Obama and former deputy secretary of labor. Chris Liu Chris describe to me what this was a training exercise during the transition for incoming staff members of the trump administration run by the Obama Administration. What was it this was about the continuity of government and we had done a similar exercise in January of two thousand nine would we took over from the Bush people at it was basically a chance for the outgoing team to sit down with the incoming. Tina go through kind of a tabletop exercise some role playing about some different scenarios so the Bush people had done this for us in two thousand nine. We did it for the trump people in two thousand seventeen so there are about thirty. Different trump officials there with thirty of us from the Obama Administration and we went through three possible domestic incidents that they might face a hurricane a pandemic and a cyber incident and for about three hours through those three instance. We talked about how the whole of government comes together to solve a crisis like this and in the case of the pandemic it was something somewhat similar to this sort of streaming flu. Contagion things like that. Yeah it's amazing. The folks at the National Security Council who devices how close it is to what we're seeing right now it was L. A. Strain of the flu that originated in both Asia in Europe. It hadn't come to the United States yet. So we had a little bit of Lag. Time and the goal was to figure out how we could coordinate and use that lag time to deal with things like lab capacity and ventilator shortages and how we could coronate transportation and again this wasn't an effort to test the trump officials on how they would do but simply to orient them on. These are the kinds of things that you need to deal with. And when this happens you bring together all the agencies as well as the White House to role. Play how to do this. What do you say to the present today? Said something along the lines of no one saw this coming came out of nowhere. Yeah well certainly as people saw it. But what was notable about as at and it's an politico has reported on this there about thirty trump officials at this meeting about two thirds of those people are no longer in government anymore right so whether it is lack of preparation or all the materials that were handed to them and all the advice whether it's collaboration with state and federal officials having unified messaging practicing social distancing working on vaccines coordinating transportation. All the recommendations we gave them they might have taken to heart but two thirds of them subsequently left the government right. Chris Liu who is in that tabletop. Exercise as the government was being handed over. The trump. Ministration. Thank you very much. I appreciate it here with you. Now for more on the bungled federal responses crisis former Democratic presidential candidate and senator from Massachusetts Elizabeth. Warren senator. You issued a plan of further comprehensive plan around this weeks and weeks ago where. Where do you see things right now? What do you think is most pressing from your point of view as a senator look? The most pressing part is people's health and so as you've heard all evening it's about making sure that the tests are available that they are available for free. We really need to ramp up on that. It's making sure that we tell everyone that when the vaccines come out they'll be made available for free and making sure that we have a robust sick leave so that anyone who feels ill can stay home and doesn't have to go into work because they're worried about losing paycheck or someone who needs to stay home to take care of a child or to take care of an elderly parent Those are things we need to be doing immediately to be able to stem the spread of this virus or at Lea- slow it down but remember just a half step behind. The physical crisis is the financial crisis. We've seen it in the stock markets. We've seen it in businesses closing people out of work and so we need to be pushing right now on a stimulus package. And that's what I wrote about today. The importance of getting the right stimulus package out there and getting it out now so I. WanNa talk about that in just a second but I sure responsible for the president today struck notably different note. I mean clearly. Someone has talk some sense into him. Sort of lack of a better phrase. This is serious. It's GonNa last a while. Are you encouraged by that? Do you feel like the message has gotten through and has it gotten through your colleagues in the US Senate well? I'll be a lot more encouraged when people start actually taking action in this administration and in this Congress we need to get out there we have not yet gotten the house bill through the Senate and over the president for his signature. This is the first step bill on making sure that there's enough money to cover the first steps around healthcare and the first steps around sick leave but like I said now is the moment to be getting the financial package out there as well It's important because it reassures everyone that there are actually grown ups in charge and that there really is a plan that we can execute on. It's important that everyone sees that and that it be a reasonable plan. That really will help. Give me your top line on that on that package. Lots of ideas floating around. There's there's cash assistance. There's the talk about bailouts for the airline industry. There's talk about some systemic risks that might be rippling through the credit markets. How do you see this so I start this? Let's learn what we should have learned from the two thousand eight crash. Part number one is when we do a stimulus package. It needs to be big enough to meet the moment if we fail to do that. We're not going to get a second bite at it politically and we'll have a very long sluggish recovery. If we don't get big enough so the number I've focused on his seven hundred and fifty billion dollars Leader Schumer also picked up that number later on today and said that looks like a good number as the starting number that would be about three and a half percent of GDP which is between the estimates right now two percent to five percent that this may cost us part two is. We've got to make sure that the money is not going to the tree. Tops that the money is going to the grassroots. That's critical for actually strengthening this economy. So my main parts here. We need to increase social security and disability payments by two hundred dollars a month for the next year. Make sure that money's coming in. We need to cancel a chunk of student loan debt that would be on average about four hundred dollars a month. That would stay in the pockets of people who owe a lot of student. Loan debt And we need to be putting money into housing use. This opportunity to restore repair housing needs to be done in public housing build new housing. That gives us jobs in the short run and it gives us housing. We need over a longer arc. Those are the kinds of things we can do. That will help strengthen this economy from the grassroots up. Help rebuild this economy and help stabilize it instead of having a crash further. And we need to start now final. Final question for you as you say certain Mitch. Mcconnell sent the Senate home for three days for recess he flew back to Kentucky where it was joined by Brad Kavanagh for an investiture ceremony for former cavanaugh clerk in Kentucky and then came back with a tweet today. Didn't like the bill. Do you think that was a wise decision by the Senate Majority Leader No? I think that it was absolutely irresponsible of the Senate leader to do that. He ultimately called everyone in for a vote tonight vote that did not occur because he worked out a deal. He had a problem in his own party. A deal that could have been worked out last week and we have still not moved forward on the corona virus. Bill this makes no sense at all. It's as if he has no sense of urgency about this problem. And no sense of what to do. You know you started this by asking me. Do I feel better? That trump has at least admitted. There's a problem sure but it's time to act. We should have been acting months ago. And if that message still has not arrived with the president or with Mitch McConnell. Then we'RE IN REAL TROUBLE SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN. Thank you so much your time. Thank you ahead. More in the kind of stimulus needed to fight the fallout from the pandemic as you just heard from the centre Congressman Rokon on his plan which will put money directly in the pockets of Americans. Need next. Certainly don't macro-economists to recognize the scale of economic misery and destruction that we're facing right now because of the corona virus outbreak and the measures to combat it. Everything gets shut down and people don't income we could be looking at a plunge on the scale of two thousand eight or even quite conceivably worse even now. The economic effect is being felt particularly people. Who can't do their jobs. Because social distancing and matt shutdowns of businesses like restaurants Jin's etcetera variety voices across the ideological spectrum. Have talked about just sending cash to all Americans not dissimilar from former presidential candidate. Andrew Yang's signature platform of sending Americans a monthly thousand dollar check today. Utah Republican Mitt Romney Dorsey idea quote. Every American adult should immediately receive a one time. Check for thousand dollars note. That would not be monthly though others are calling for Moore sustained basic income also. There's the Democratic Congressman Tim Ryan and McConnell who last week introduced their own cash assistance. Bill that would provide a check. Which in one thousand and six thousand dollars to every American that earn less than sixty five thousand dollars last year and Congressman Ro Khanna Democrat. California joins me to talk about that now. Explain your proposal Congressman. Well of course as you pointed out you don't have to be a macro economist to know that we need a cash infusion for working class and middle class families why I it will allow them to buy things that will stimulate the economy. If you want people to hire you need people buying things and the most likely folks to spend our people who are in the working and middle-class second. This is something that as you pointed out. Even Mitt Romney is proposing so. It's something that we can get done and third. These are folks who really have economic anxiety and it will provide some stability so why years is not universal right to the most basic and universal ideas literally a check that shows up from the government. A thousand dollars to every adult say or maybe five hundred per kid or thousand per kid. There's different versions like that. Yours is slightly different. It has graduated. Why and how does it work? It goes up to one hundred thousand people get the check right away you can get between one thousand and six thousand dollars but look if Mitt Romney wants to do a one thousand dollar cheque right away. That's universal. Let's get that out and immediately. The problem with his is that we need to extend it at one. Time is not going to be enough. But let's just get something out that gets money into the pockets of folks to spend it. I mean Amazon is talking about hiring. One hundred thousand people that will barely offset the dramatic losses. Where you have somebody. Hiring freezes imagine and more people in money in their pockets where they can go more to grocery stores order more things online. That will at least mitigate the risks of massive unemployment. And we should note. There's some precedent here that Hong Kong's government approved a one time cash handout of just over twelve hundred dollars to each resident over eighteen amidst their battles across virus. There's also a degree to which W- I Mitt Romney. Tom Cotton even sort of floating this a little bit like. Do you think this is the thing you can actually see included in a bipartisan bill. And both houses yes first of all. No Democrat should allow Mitt Romney to get to their left. I mean Mitt Romney is. It shouldn't be that hard for Democrats to get it second. Let's learn Senator Warren set from what Paul Krugman Joseph Stiglitz and every serious economists who looked at two thousand eight taught us they said that was a consumer demand problem. We didn't have enough money in ordinary people's hands to spend the best way to deal with. It is to get money into their hands. The economists have told us time and again. Now that's necessary but not sufficient. I think you'd agree right. I mean today we got word. Us airlines are seeking a fifty billion. Dollar Bank bailout. And whether you think that's wise or not we should just note that all the catch assistance in the world talking to help the client industry. If no one's flying for the next three months right there's going to be there's going to be other things necessary over and above whatever cash assistance to sort of keep the economy in some kind of recognizable shape. Do you great absolutely let me float very briefly. Three quick ideas. In Britain they are getting auto plants converted into making medical supplies respirators and protective gear. Why can't we do that here? If we're in a wartime footing why don't we have industry helping produce things? We actually need second. Why don't we have incentives if companies are allowing people to go part time to make sure they aren't being laid off? Germany did that and had great results not having high unemployment in the great recession third. Why don't we pay a fifty percents? Bonus to medical workers essential public servants and others who we need working grocery store clerks so that they have an incentive to come to work so there are a lot of ideas their common sense ideas. There are plenty of people who have them. We just need the will to act final question for you. You represent a district. I think that's included in the shelter in place order. If not now probably coming to you. Do you feel that folks in your district. Were prepared to hunker down as as they are now being instructed to do they are. I mean there are long lines Outside the district and grocery stores and there is a lot of unease. But I'm confident we're GONNA make it through it. The governor has done a great job in making sure. We're getting testing Google's actually doing testing not in the whole country but they are doing it in a website on the bay area we have a coordinated response and I do think people are taking it. Very seriously congressman real. Thank you for making time to find out how to run an election. During a pandemic vexing decisions facing states and some potential solutions ahead miss the many surreal details of American life. Right now we are running a Democratic primary for president in the middle of all this last night was the first one on one debate between the last two major candidates in the Democratic race. Joe Biden Bernie Sanders. They talked about a range of issues. Although Corona Virus was obviously front and center and I thought it was striking the central theme was Sanders. Making a broader point continually about the failures of the American social safety net point. He's been making the entirety of his career and Biden often pivoting back. Donald Trump and stressing the need for competence in a crisis. Basically is this a management issue or an ideological issue? Let's be honest and understand that. This corona virus pandemic exposes the incredible weakness dysfunctionality of our current health. Care System is what we did in our administration. I would call a meeting in the situation room of all the experts in America dealing with this crisis I would sit them down and I would do exactly what we did. Then what is it that we need listened to the experts? My takeaway personally watching debate was either. These men would be a vast improvement over the current president and that in some senses. They are both right. The failures of the American social safety net are going to be thrown into higher relief by the crisis and appreciably are right now making things worse as sanders nos also a comprehensive social safety net. That takes care of people is necessary but not sufficient to fight the virus because it also takes genuinely good competent farseeing leadership. We don't have either those right now of Sanders and Biden compete to take on trump and tomorrow's primary election. You also have to ask this. How exactly is the election going to work tomorrow? We'll talk about that next with the head of the Democratic National Committee. There are primary election scheduled tomorrow in four States Arizona Florida Illinois and Ohio. This afternoon Ohio's Republican governor. Mike DeWine call to move in person voting in Ohio to June. Second Expand Absentee Mail in voting and he filed a joint lawsuit to try to get the election postponed. A judge just denied his requests as a right now. Ohio will have a primary tomorrow barring some reversal appeal Arizona. Florida Illinois are also planning to move forward tomorrow with elections officials saying they are providing guidance on Corona virus safety at polling places. What we can do it. I mean look at the end of the day. We're dealing with this In a thoughtful way. But we'RE NOT GONNA panic to discuss the plan for elections going forward. I'm joined by the chair. The Democratic National Committee Tom Perez Tom. Does the DNC position on the Ohio lawsuit? We didn't intervene in the Ohio lawsuit. Chris and tell you what all these states could be doing to avoid the challenges that they face with in person voting is to enact vote by mail provisions. I mean Ohio made it harder for people to vote early when the Republicans had control. And so there's actually a solution to this we we we take a backseat to no one and making sure that the safety of poll workers voters and candidates are are paramount. I think they can move forward And the good news in places like Arizona. More people have voted early Chris in Arizona in two thousand twenty then voted in the entirety of the twenty sixteen primary. A second. I WanNa make sure I understand. You're saying you think is your view that this can be safely conducted tomorrow. Who Have you been consulting to come to that view well again? We didn't intervene in that case. I know this is a state matter. But I'm asking your position is Tom. Perez had Indian season. I my understanding is. You're saying you agree with the states. That are going forward. Yes we respect what they're doing. And we you know we always encourage. Everyone and I was in contact today with people in a number of these states including but not limited to Arizona and again asking them if they do they believe they have the systems in place that enable them to put the elections on tomorrow and they do and Republican and Democratic Governors have made that judgment that they can do that. I don't think it's for me to second guess those judgments Chris and so I respect that and again the point. I'm making his There's a broader issue here and their broader issue is. We ought to make it easier for people to vote one way to do. It is to vote by mail. Well I D- You get no argument from me on this but there's an election and then there's another one that week after it and there's another one the week after like people on the polling places you think in Atlanta in a week. Well actually. They're not because Georgia postponed the election. Until may the nineteenth right. But don't you think that's going to happen like everywhere? Probably well Chris here. Here's the situation. And here's here. It gets be back to my point and I don't mean to be Tommy. One note but Georgia moved its election to May Nineteenth Kentucky today moved its election from may nineteenth into June. Why don't both those states enact a vote by mail provision for those? Who Haven't voted over two hundred thousand? People have already voted in Georgia. That's how you can solve this problem. So you're having we're universal. Universal vote by mail guys in the remaining primary states wherever practicable and. I think you can make this happen. I mean Washington. State wasn't having this conversation last week because they vote by mail Oregon next month. They're not having this conversation because they do vote by mail. Let's make it easier. The challenge we have is that in so many Republican states. They don't WanNa make it easier for eligible people to vote. They WANNA make it harder. What are you. I think we need to do the opposite. What are your interactions like? I'm very curious in terms of governors attorneys general or or whoever's running the election ministration sometimes the secretary of state and you like who's coordinating this these decisions that are being made. Well these decisions again are up to the particular administrators of election. So I had contact with people in Arizona to understand what was going on and they were meeting with their public health officials they were reviewing the CDC guidance they were reviewing their preparedness protocols that they had put in place and they made a judgment that they can move forward tomorrow and again. I note that already. More people have voted early there because they do have a vote by mail and early voting provision in Arizona. So more people have already voted in Arizona. Twenty Twenty then in twenty sixteen and that will reduce the traffic right tomorrow and that that is obviously a good thing. I guess my concern here is most voting places most precincts at any given time. If you do to scan right are are pretty empty right like you know. There's a few election workers people coming in sporadically. That's the case for most of them but then there's always a few we put them on air when it's election night where there's like a huge crowd. I just I've been talking epidemiologists public health experts and people for weeks and a big huge crowd of people waiting. Extra is not a good idea right now right well of course and we've been hearing that and that's why. I mean one area where they're doing something. Innovative is having a drive thru voting. So you can stop you. Don't get out of your car. It helps to mitigate the interaction and so there's a lot of creativity going on there and and again this is up to every state and locality. And what I know the common denominator Republican or Democrat. I believe is the safety of the Workers. The the the voters and the candidates and and that's what they're looking at and again We're going to continue to work with states and localities to ensure that we can move forward because our democracy must move on and we have to walk and Chew Gum Understanding that these are very very challenging moments and I think we can Chris and we've seen in the weeks in previous weeks. We've re we've managed to do it with great turnout and we're going to continue to work. Our tails off. Understanding safety is paramount. All right thank you for your time tonight. I WANNA go for more on holding elections amidst not going bring election expert. Rick Hassen he's Chancellor's professor of law and Political Science at the University of California Irvine. He's just written a piece on how to protect the twenty twenty election from kroner buyers. Before we get to that. What is your I mean? Look this is a tough choice. And I understand the conundrum here. I don't think any of us are psyched about the idea of governor cancels. Other party's primary at last minute. In terms of what that means for democracy there are also serious public health concerns. How are you reading this moment right now? Well I think what it shows you is that we don't have good plans in place for emergencies. And you have the governor of Ohio running to try to fix things being told by a court that the court can order it now. There's a dispute about whether the governor can order it himself and it tells us that for the primaries that are coming over the next few months they've gotta get working on it now and for November. We've got working on a plan now because we don't have emergency plans plan. Yes so what should I mean? I think everyone front of mine is the primaries coming and then November particularly particular if we saw a situation like we saw one thousand nine hundred that was that was this sort of seasonal flu. Pandemic that that that sort of went away in the summer came roaring back that fall when it was at its peak. What should we planning? What is your prescription for what we should do for the primaries and then Election Day twenty twenty well. Let's Talk Election Day. Twenty Twenty Congress right now as it's passing coronavirus bills should include a provision that requires every state to offer no excuse absentee balloting. So in places where you have to offer an excuse. She shouldn't have to offer an excuse to November and Congress needs to pay for it. Because they're going to need to be new scanners. We're GONNA need a lot more workers to have protections in place for voters and so. I think that's has to happen November. We've got a planet now because as a huge huge undertaking to be able to roll that out in time for November for the states on a state by state basis expanding absentee balloting delaying elections by a couple of months seems to make a lot of sense but changing the rules. Like they're doing Ohio at the last. Minute is just create a lot of voter confusion. We know that a poll workers were told in Franklin County. Don't show up and now they're told yes. Do show up and this is going to cause a decline in turnout in real problem. We were we. Were trying to nail down the story just for our script about whether it's on or off and has a news organization was it was. It was a little unclear there. Are there good precedents here Rick Or or comparative plans other places about how to go about election planning in the case of disaster particularly pandemic. Well you know. We had an election. That was rescheduled on September eleventh. Two thousand one in New York we had hurricanes and one of the things we've seen for example in Florida where they have rules to deal with emergency. Hurricane rules Is that sometimes election ministries? Break those rules to try to help voters in franchise them. That's a real problem too. We saw it in Arizona this time where the Maricopa county election officials wanted to mail out absentee ballots at the last minute and violation of state. Law It's not good to change the rules at the last minute. We need to have the procedures put in place now so we know how to deal with these emergencies not on the day of the actual emergency. Which is what's happening right now. So looking forward to twenty twenty an would that be legal? I mean obviously the part of what makes elections in the US so strange and difficult to order in an orderly fashion is that you have a million different jurisdictions dealing with them there's fifty states and local entities that manage them at the local level. You're saying the federal government could just require no no excuse. Absentee balloting in every state in advance of this election day. So should there be some situation. People can just mail in ballot so article one section for the Constitution of something called the elections clause which lets congress set the time place and manner of the election of congressional elections over the wishes of the states. That's the same. Authority gives the Federal Government. The power to set all kinds of rules for federal voter registration. And make it. Easy to have voter registration. Even if states have tough rules. Congress has the power so long as it's going to pay for it and doesn't make the states have to pay for a new mandate and so that's something that I think Ron Wyden. Maybe I think there is some some movement among active. Legislators right now to move on this is that correct. But Ron Wyden is proposed bill. I've heard of others. That are thinking about proposing a bill. It's gotTa also include safeguards for voters one of the things. We know about absentee ballots. Is that lots of them are tossed because of signature. Mismatch mismatch is voters have to have an ability to cure any kind of rejection of their ballots. We need to have safeguards in place to prevent ballot tampering. Like we saw in the Ninth Congressional district in North Carolina in two thousand eighteen. So a lot's got to be put into this bill to assure that we don't disenfranchise people and The election has integrity and safeguarded from temporary final. Final question for you rick. How how prepared is the American election system on the whole To deal with exigencies like this. I just wrote a book called Election Meltdown. Titles should tell you. We're not well prepared at all and now's the time to have plan BS. Not just for this. What about cyber attacks on our elections? The book is Great. It's called tremendous Rick Hassen. Thanks for being with me. 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