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Part Two: Roger Stone: Evil Genius or Sad, Broken Boy?
This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to wet your appetite. You know, we have we have. So the whole crews here. Okay. All right. Okay. So you defecate it was reduced to my basic animal form. Romburg any podcasts available. Wherever putt guests are found. It's me Robert with the show Evans behind the bastards. This is the podcast that this is where we talk about the bad people, so fi you look very confused. They can't all be what's cracking my peppers? They're not all going to be perfect. I am Robert Evans. This is behind the bastards the show, we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. My guest for part two as part one is Tamika Thanh. Tay doing. Join the conversation. Are you ready to learn a little bit more about Roger sto? I'm ready. Learn more and ready to sleep less easy. Yeah. Well, that is the Roger stone guarantee. So one of the reasons I might believe the claim that Roger stone was a major influence on Trump's mind is the fact that he and Donald Trump really do have quite a long history of working together. Despite Donald Trump's do that's in twelve comments. That stone was a stone cold loser. He was happy to continue to work with the van after his nineteen ninety nine Reform Party candidacy failed in two thousand while he was helping George W Bush and Florida Roger stone also took time to help Donald Trump with a new pet project. A grassroots anti-gambling campaign. It was targeted at the mohawk nation. The tribe had opened the casino on their land in New York state and planned to open another casino in the Catskills at the time, Donald Trump owned three casinos in Atlantic City. The northeast's traditional gambling up clearly the mohawk nation represented a threat to this earnings of Donald Trump, the ad stone designed arm pretty on the edge. As far as racism goes. We've got a clip of one of them. Here which will have on the side by the bastards dot com. It says in big letters drug dealing at Monticello Monticello, whatever Thomas Jefferson's creepy house, and it's got like a picture of like a needle in lines of cocaine like a bag of drugs. And then it says quote, the Saint Regis mohawk. Indian tribe proposes to open a gambling casino at the Monticello racetrack and Sullivan county. How much do you really know about the Saint Regis mohawk Indians? According to the New York Times u s and Canadian law enforcement officials broke up the biggest cocaine trafficking ring in northern New York operating on the fourteen thousand acres Saint Regis mohawk reservation. Twenty six people were arrested. Police also confiscated nineteen shotguns and handguns and it goes on. Like this saying Indians are criminals that's the fear among they're just like the border crossing where they used pictures of people crossing the border in Spain. Yeah. Just lies about women being duct taped and stuff. Now this this ad which is pretty offensive is noted on the bottom as a project of the. New York institute for law and society you ever heard of the New York institute for lions society. Nope will claim to be a grassroots organization made up of twelve thousand pro-family donors, just you know, they don't like gambling. And he's been wanting more casinos in their neighborhood. The reality is that you could probably have counted. The actual number of donors using one hand Donald Trump put up virtually all of the money somewhere around one point five million dollars. Trump signed off on the ads and the language used in them and paid the bills for the private is stone hired to survey the tripe the whole operation was Rodgers plan because this organization violated Newark laws on lobbying because you're not allowed to pretend that something has a bunch of funders when it's just one guy who's doing it. So that his own casinos don't have competition. You're not supposed to do that. So the state investigated they wound up sitting down with Roger stone in interviewing him. Here's the L A times. Quote, stone told state investigators that he thought the public might pay attention to a pro-family group, but not to Trump allowed in longtime critic of native American. Gambling who is trying to stave off competition for his three casinos Antic city. You could hide Trump's actions from the public the investigators grilled stone. And you did that over and over again. Yes, stone answered each time. Finally, adding nothing is wrong with that. By the way. They're actually was something wrong with that trumpeter stone were fined two hundred fifty thousand dollars for breaking the law and required to pay more than thirty thousand dollars to run statements in Albany area. Newspapers was nothing for them. Yeah. It's just nothing for them. Yeah. This is the text of the statement, Donald Trump, Roger stone, and Thomas hunter apologize. If anyone was misled concerning the production funding of the lobbying effort that did not apologize for the ads content. Now over the next fifteen years there were dozens and probably hundreds of other stories like that. Roger stone developed a special hatred for Eliot Spitzer attorney general of New York from nineteen ninety nine hundred thousand six and then governor of the state and do this and seven now Elliott was born rich like shocking number of US politicians and his father had pumped millions of dollars into his career back in the mid nineties rhetoric in the time Elliott was elected governor. He threatened to release records about Republican Senate majority leader Joe Bruno there was basically like a rumor that Brennan had been using state aircraft to aid in his reelection campaign and Spitzer was going to lake release records that would prove that or not. And I think Bruno was eventually found not guilty of that. I'm not sure, but he was also later found taking a bribe and then got off on a technicality, but totally received like four hundred thousand dollars from some guy anyway. So so Joe Bruno Republican Senate majority leader of New York did not like Eliot Spitzer these guys were at each other's throats and in order to get back at his political enemy and to distract from his own corruption charges Joe Bruno called up Roger stone and offered him twenty thousand dollars a month to end Eliot Spitzer's career Roger gleefully dove into this effort to destroy another person one June morning in two thousand seven Elliott's eighty three year old father Bernard who suffered from Parkinson's woke up to find this message on his answering machine. Bernard spitzer. You will be subpoenaed to testify before the Senate committee on investigations on your shady campaign loans. You will be compelled by the Senate sergeant at arms if you resist the subpoena, you will be arrested in brought to Albany. And there's not a God damn thing. You're phony psycho piece of shit sun can do about it Bernie. You're phoning loans or about to catch up with you. You will be forced to tell the truth. And the fact that your son's pathological liar will be known to all. Yeah. By the way, that is when I quoted in the first episode Donald Trump calling him a loser and saying he's a liar and everything that's why. Because actually Donald Trump liked Eliot Spitzer's dad, and it was like actually like Donald Trump was morally offended by this message. That'd be a hard line to hit it. It's pretty gnarly to eighty three year old, man. Yeah. An ill eighty two year old who is the father of the guy. You don't like an attack him that way? Well, you got paid to you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. He didn't like him. But it's like his jockey paid to destroy his son. Not dad like how does that help you deal with Elliot's Switzer, he's just a gross person? Now Roger claims that that's not him. We're going to dig into that a lot here. That's as much as suits or him. That's a pinstripe voice. I will let you know what we'll put in a link to that particular audio clip on the site. It includes after the the voice mail several clips of just Roger talking shirt for yourself. That's fucking Rogers sound so ham like Bernard Spitzer hired a PI who traced the call back to Rogers apart one stuff. Like, it's it's definitely Roger stone in less your Roger stone. Now, Roger has always denied making that call. He has in some recent interviews quietly said it does sound a lot like me. But he blamed it at the time on former stand up comedian in radio host. Randy critic. Oh, now, we're going to be talking about Randy credit co a little bit later today to. Yeah. Yeah. Ready credit co was like a comedian. He was on like Leno. Sometimes he did like improv and the stone was basically like he's so good at doing fake voices. He pretended to be this guy in this guy. It's clearly him pretending to be me in credit. Co was. Like, I haven't even talked to Roger in years. Why would I do this, which why would you do something? So mean and evil comic one thing to be like that funny. Maybe this comedian called up the governor of New York to leave a machete messages someone else. Okay. I can imagine that happening like Opie and Anthony, but his dad why and the and there was no there's no Gellew in at all. It's just cruelty. Yeah. Now stone in credit co had met back in two thousand three in Randy hit introduced Roger Al Sharpton Sharpton hit hired stone to help with his two thousand four presidential run. Probably in the hope that Sharpton campaign would take votes away from John Kerry. Roger would later tell the Washington Post, quote, critical became convinced that he should get paid for introducing me to Sharpton. He refused to do. So stone continues because well credit co is a cocaine addict and stone knew that any money. He gave to the guy would go quote up his nose. So Roger stone leaves this really gross message. It's obviously him he blames it on a friend of his that he has. Talked to in years and also says the guy's a coke addict. Now, this may sound a little bit familiar to course. But also Roger stone when it came out that he'd been putting up sex ads in magazines like no, it was my housekeeper. Yeah. Like and Trump thrown his on his own son-in-law under the bus. No singer. No one is safe. Yeah. It's a gross weight live. It really is in the only way you can live that way is if you have more money than God. You don't kills me is all my life. I've grown up watching these Hollywood films. And I always just a sense of Justice is what kept me happy. Yeah. Believing in things like karma believing that things come around. This is a movie where the bad guy went is winning so far and Mike. Why is this movie so long why why is this movie my entire life? Gotta get it. In the middle of a horror movie ask such a jerky. Like, I can't wait till he dies. 'cause I know it's going to be something horrific. The Paul Manafort story has been there for me because just like seeing him denied to wear a sued recently like hill and clearly not healthy. And just like yet die in prison. Paul. I'm violently angry about Paul Manafort, I spent time in Ukraine. Yeah. And I saw a lot like Roger stone's a piece of shit. But like, maybe this makes the episode weaker. But no one will ever match the hate that we do on the show that I have for Paul Manafort, just let's deserve it. I mean, look how many millions. He's literally responsible for millions of millions of. Oh, yes. Yeah. I mean, millions of deaths civil or going for a decade longer than. Yeah. Yeah. Conservatively five or six hundred thousand deaths in that conflict alone for money for money for when he didn't need all the money you need. He needed already. I could talk shit about. No, no, no. I mean, I I get I get really worked up when we talk about Manafort, but it's also worth noting that like there's almost a way you could say Roger stone is even grocer. Because at least Paul Manafort was getting involved was in the trenches dealing with those people Roger stone, which just cashing their checks. Just like, yeah. I don't give a shit where this money comes from. So you could say that's grocer. Yeah. You could say that's grocer. Maybe it is. Now Randy credit co is going to come back into the story a little bit later. But what's important right now is that Bruno fired stone after this voice mail came out, you know, but Eliot Spitzer wound up going down. Anyway, it's kind of debatable as to whether or not it was Rogers dirty tricks that were responsible that there was a federal wiretap in a New York Times report about him that revealed he'd been spending tens of thousands of dollars in high priced prostitutes. And his big thing was like he sleeps with prostitutes while wearing a sock. Doc, that's Roger stone. Dow's rod Vatsa stone detail, Roger stone repeated that detail to every newspaper in the goddamn world's heady. It's very pellet. Jerry's has a really subtle understanding of how humanity works. Yeah. Something that like, even if I was that sort of a person, I wouldn't think that that detail would matter. He knew that it totally did. Yeah. And we don't even know him. Maybe he made that detail. Maybe just knew that something that will stick in their heads. But I also see that one being true because Eliot Spitzer undoubtably lose hanging out with a lot of prostitutes. Sure, which I wouldn't have an issue with if you hadn't been an attorney general and thus responsible for prosecuting prostitution is. But it's debatable. You'll hear people say that stone dropped the dime on Spitzer to the FBI. And that's why there was the investigation. And that's where everything came out that he did bus Spitzer this way. I haven't found hard proof of that. There was definitely a federal wiretap in New York Times report about him, it's entirely possible that Roger. Stone that his main contribution was dropping that story about the socks and that like he just sort of like, oh, this is a happy accident. I really don't know. But it seems pretty likely that he had a significant role in Spitzer's political downfall that does seem likely for sure all the tales of Roger stone's crappy Lenz over the years prompted the New Yorker to write a profile of him in two thousand eight I that article is the first place at least the first major outlet were Roger started talking about what he called stones rules. These include such chunks of political wisdom as he who speaks first loses attack attack attack, never defend admit nothing deny everything launch counterattack. And when I hear the word culture, I reach for my revolver. Wow. So there was another one there's a lot. There's an endless number of the one that makes my skin crawl is that hate is a greater motivator than love. And that's the one that makes my skin crawl because that is the Trump campaign. Yeah. And every campaign he's been involved. I mean, that's fascism, man. Like that's the core. Ideological not that. I don't think Donald Trump is an ideological anything. But that is the core of that political philosophy hate and fear a hell of a lot more powerful than love. Yeah. Although Hitler would have said, no. It's the love of the Volcker whatever that is. I don't know. I'm going to argue with dead Hitler. Reasonable men in Hitler can disagree. I'll let you win. Yeah. Taken stand there. We all win against we do. He's said we're still here as you're stupid suck on that Hitler. Yeah. With your baby mustache, you free. Stupid mustache. I don't know. Like, I part of me wonders like if Hitler hadn't ever been Hitler. Would that mustache be around would like we all have a friend with in east Hollywood for sure Philly people dip their toes with the Hitler, youth hair. The dip their toes. I mean that shaved on the sides. Look is nice. Yeah. You can you can work looks nice comeback. But yeah, it's baby moustache. Jason it's baby. Moustache jason. I know it's one of those things where like at the time. It was like this. We're way off topic. But that was considered like a working man's mustache is you don't have to groom at or any an honest man's mustache. And so that's kind of like what Hitler was repping to everyone. God, I'm just a normal working Joe. Like you. Yes. I think that's the thing that he sees the way like a great athlete or a great shafir. Great artists can see things that normal. People. Can't see I think he sees these subtleties. He sees like a naked man wearing socks and goes. That's not presidential. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Does desperately silly. That can hurt him. No one will take him serious. Having this in their shave my moustache. So they look at me and say, I'm one of them like he's got that kind of. I n if we're looking at what is there some aspect of what I I have a part of me believes that anyone is prominent is someone like regionals become there is an aspect of genius at play. Like there is with half Tallec Jones. Yeah. You you have to otherwise they become too powerful. Yeah. You have to allow yourself to have a level of respect. So you can figure out how to deconstruct them. And I think you've I didn't really figure it out when I was writing this. But I think you've nailed what it is that his geniuses is recognizing those. It's not the actual tricks. He plays. It's knowing how to present things in a way that leave in Delobel image in people's heads. And I think the Spitzer thing like really focusing on those socks that he's wearing all these fucking these call girls. I think that nails it. I think that's like what he's good at. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll that will actually be talking about some more stuff like that a little bit later. So yeah. Roger stone's starts in like the early two thousands talking about stones rules all the time. Every interview. He does he'll drop the rules. You know? This is my rule. Here is my rule here. This is much trying to brand himself. Here's a quote from the New Yorker, his outfit comported with two of the rules in his book stones rules for war, politics, food fashion and living, which he hopes to publish soon. Never wear a double breasted suit and a button down collar and white. I just love the idea that it's like such a Michael Scott thing to do is have the name of a book that you haven't written that Utah to an interview for Sesa Mason. Yeah. Michael scar. Just like because I started looking up that book. And I was like, oh, he hadn't written that with this came out just trying to make it a thing. I am proud to say on behalf of Roger that. He did eventually, right? Kind of that book. It wasn't the same title, but you can buy it. You know stones rules how to win at politics business and style from the info wars store right now. Unbelievable. Yeah. It currently has twelve reviews. So wow, got really be on the ground area. Low for this is the copy. And he's covering is weird bird lips as covering his weird bird list. Got like his his hand at his at his lips or something. Yeah. He's a he really. I think he's trying to cover those jowls or something. Interesting choice that he would cover up half his face such an arrogant, man, it shows you simultaneously, arrogant and insecure nobody who's obsessed with fashion can be secure in their. Yeah. I agree. Nobody who fucking worries about what they're suspenders are called secure in their physical form. He's he's the opposite of the cat that stares in the mirror that sees a lion as a lion that stares in the mirror and sees a cat a little baby kitten who he so weak. Yeah. That's what all this peacocking is like an old lady that used to be really sexy, whereas the miniskirt, and you're like, that's not you this guy sixty six and he still calls himself a quote, unquote, tough guy. Well, and it's like he also needs to be attached to some bigger, man. He he doesn't do anything on his own because he's in. He's the kitten. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whether or not it's Alex Jones, Donald Trump. He's. Always attached to somebody. Exactly, he sees the sidekick. Yeah. He's kind of like a chronic sleazy sidekick of right wing firebrand exam here. Like Darth Vader had a talk show he'd be evil at Vic, man. Yeah. Yeah. He about right now that two thousand eight New Yorker interview also revealed that Roger stone had in two thousand seven gotten a photo accurate back tattoo of the head of his hero. Richard nixon. The article also noted that stone tans twelve months a year in drinks four triple expresses every day stone talked about his recent move to Miami saying it's a sunny place for shady people. Yeah. That's a good quote. The man could turn phrase every now that was that's a good one. It is a good one. Yeah. And you knew he was an actor for a while in high school. No, I didn't even run across. Yeah. He's an he was an actor for a short time in high school, and when he got into politics, he he said this. He said, I then realized that axiom politics were the same. Oh, see like a lot of people had that experience. Now more than ever with the transparency the internet's creating I mean fucking Ronald Reagan. Yeah. Very true. Yeah. Road bedtime for Bonzo right to the Oval Office. Let's just make it stop before the rock. That's all I want. You know, what again, not the worst case scenario anymore. Sure, I've had enough Robert. Why not? You smell with the president is good. I can't take that. We soothing to just have a nice person in there. Yeah. I mean, maybe the I'm sure the climate will continue its unheeded acceleration into in sustainable like like greenhouse nightmare. But at least the president could be friendly. Hey, right. Hey, right. I think that should be the minimum requirement. We should have someone whose character is at a level that we just go. Okay. This is a decent human being who is at least trying for the good of the country like Jimmy Carter and actually like no one else. But like Jimmy Carter. Well, he's he's a nice person. You're not a great president. Okay. So we are going to continue talking about Roger stone and get into his downfall. I think it's fair to say downfall. I agree. It is going to be the most satisfying cathartic part of this podcast. Amen. But I, you know, what's even more cathartic than the downfall of a monster. Tell me I was just thinking about catharsis. Wonderful services in products that are provided by the advertisements in front of. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. We're back listeners while those wonderful ads that you were spending your money on we're running. We started to suspect that Roger stone's greatest crime. May in fact, have been appropriating the phrase, it's a sunny place for shady people from someone else. We've found a sunglasses line in a book or the book came out after that interviewed it so it's hard to say Roger may have stolen that line from someone. Yeah. So he's going to do that research, and we'll we'll get back to you or not. If nothing interesting comes up, we won't get back to you. And pretend this didn't happen anyway. So in two thousand eight while he was doing that interview. It was not a great time to be a Republican in politics. You know, Bama had just kind of bum rushed the McCain campaign. Yeah. It didn't look like they're publicans. We're going to be back in power for a little while. I'm black man. A white war hero Beatles. White war hero, and whatever Sarah Palin is. And yeah, it was a it was looking like a rough time for Republican political Asher. So in that interview. Roger stone noted quote, the left has done a better job of dominating the new space. We're week on the web so little foreshadowing their question about the McCain campaign. Roger stone advised, quote, an acceleration slash and burn campaign against Barack Obama Obama and his wife are elitists in their week. They don't share middle class values middle class Americans are proud of their country, and they are not he thinks he's going to sit down with Iran and HAMAs. How do you know, he's not gonna shake hands? With the suicide bomber you can't sit down with people who don't want to sit down always going to do is raise taxes, which is going to give the government more money, but it's not going to create any jobs. Remember stone said politics is not about uniting people. It's about dividing people and getting your one percent. Wow. That's Roger stone and Paul Manafort, and motherfucking nutshell, you know, what it might be his own thirst for attention the attention. You never got from his dad that's going to be his downfall. Because he's he can't not speak to the press. He's underestimating people. Yeah. He even though he said he said this plenty of times that his target audiences. Not the elite is not the sophisticated is not people who study or read up on politics. But now he's underestimating their ability to read things about him and for them to still be hypnotized. So here he kind of spinning off of that. I'm not sure if it's underestimating them or if it's a fundamental. He can't understand politics is not about politics to him. It's about the same thing. A game a monopoly. Yeah. Getting into a game monopoly. And so he is incapable of realized like, no, Roger the things that you are doing have are impacting people's lives in horrible negative ways. When these politicians and they put in these these shorts. Needed policies that fuck up in lead to all the terrible things that these different politicians you've supported over the years have done like win these things impact people's lives. They get angry. And then they hear you talking about like dividing people, and they're like, I can't talk to half my family were all screaming at each other. Like, you can't understand what it's like to be in that situation because none of this means that to you. Yeah. Where the United States of America and to hear like a campaign manager or political strategist for the president of the United States of America that his tactic was to divide. Yeah. A country whose foundation was about uniting. Yeah. It's just so heartbreaking. Well, it's one of those things you couldn't until recently get away with like you remember when a Barack Obama was running and he made that comment about people cleaning to their guns in their bibles. That was a huge. I was still very much in the right wing media bubble at that point in time in my life. And that was a huge issue being like, and he and then there's good reason to be pissed about that. If you're if you're a bible believing Christian if you're someone who grew up shooting and has done that your whole life and live in a place where like, yeah, that's an offensive thing. They stereotype and he had he had to address that shit in any presidential candidate up until twenty sixteen would have had to face consequences for a statement like that a guy like Roger stone has never had to because he's not a candidate ever in. It's almost never transparent who he's advising. And so he's never had to be that. Careful Jay think we're getting to the part of the story where that bites him in the ass. Yeah. Yeah. So it's worth noting before we move on from the two thousand eight that during that election, he formed the group citizens United not timid to oppose Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Literal, acronym Kant. Yeah. Oh, nice guy. Roger now and two thousand ten two years into Eliot Spitzer's political exile. Roger stone's struck again after being laid off you'd apparently found another set of backers wealthy Republicans his description who paid him to make sure Spitzer's political career stayed dead. And this is where the after Spitzer's already at this where he started talking about the socks like this is where he started spraying that myth, and he claims that he was like at an adult club and met a girl who is friends with a girl who'd worked with Spitzer. And she told him the story. It's it's like I was talking to my prostitute friend. And she said this is how silly this two years after Spitzer's out as governor because he's already been disgraced. Yeah. So unbelievable. Yeah. Anyway, Roger stone's seems to have grown less cost. And careful in his golden years. Maybe it's the corrupting influence of social media. But over the last decade, he's racked up a pretty horrifying compilation of sexist remarks. Here's media matters. Stone tweeted that New York Times columnist Gail Collins is in elitist cont MSNBC host Rachel Maddow is Rachel. The muff. Diver Fox News is Meghan. Kelly has a nice set of cans and Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a Jap acronym for Jewish American Princess thought that was going to be one kind of racist. But with another who is every man's first wife. He also tweeted diabetic at former New York Times executive editor Jill Abramson and said he would kill himself if he was married to screechy, and she'll Carly Fiorina the sun sentinel, also reported that stone called Florida politician. Barbara stern a self-important nasty Kant on Twitter. So lest I leave the impression that Rogers bigotry is limited to women. Here's a bunch of racists, stuffy, said stones tweets include attacks, like stupid, negro, fat, negro, arrogant know, it all negro uncle, Tom. Mandingo and house negro stone tweeted that commenter Roland Martin is a stupid negro and a fat negro commentator Herman Cain is a Mandingo. And former Representative Allen west is an arrogant know, it all negro he also tweeted that commentator Al Sharpton is a professional negro who likes fried chicken asked if former Republican presidential candidate. Ben Carson was an uncle Tom in referred to himself. As an inward with a Nixon tattoo. He did not use the phrase inward those uncomfortable paragraph to state, but this is all stuff Roger stone said mostly by Republicans. He's just no they rejected him. Yeah. They reject the mainstream wants dead. Yeah. Mainstream Republicans rejected him, and he's attacking he's he's a hurt man. Yeah. He's a he's a hurt man. And in two thousand fourteen he got his chance to push in pain back out into the world that is the year when Donald Trump again to execute his campaign run for president. Now, roy. Richard stone was reportedly Donald Trump's number one consultant for the early stages of his bid, according to Joshua green, the author of devil's bargain, a book about the election, quote inside Trump's circle this power of illegal immigration to manipulate popular sentiment was readily apparent and his advisors brainstormed methods for keeping their attention adult boss on message the needed a trick. And a monarch device in the summer of two thousand fourteen they found one that clicked according to Sam Nunn Burke, who worked with Trump during this period Roger stone, and I came up with the idea of the wall, and we talked to Steve Bannon about it. It was to make sure Trump talked about immigration, initially, Trump seemed indifferent to the idea, but in January two thousand fifteen he tried it out at the freedom summit a presidential cattle. Call put on by David Bossi's group, citizens United one of his pledges was I will build a wall and the place just win. That's. That's what you're talking about. It's like with the socks knows. That's something. That'll stick in people's exactly. You gotta drive them. I think that is his major contribution hundred percent hundred percent. That's why even when he's fired people keep them. So Roger stone stole his catchphrase about Florida from a nineteen forty one novel O M, Somerset, mon- or Mongan. I don't know how to pronounce it. But I've seen that name before. Wow. Yet, another uncovered you. Shady son of a bitch. So. What's funny to this is almost like when you go to jail, and you don't want anybody to mess with you. See just throw human poop on you. Yeah. And everyone's scared to touch you. I think he plays so dirty in so gross. That people are like, I know he's doing something legal, but I don't wanna fight with him because he fights like a homeless person. Yeah, he's going to bite and scratch and stab. He's it's so bizarre. How broken this guy? I didn't think during this conversation out actually feel sorry for this guy. But that's what I do. There's a deep core of sadness to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It becomes clear. The more you dig into like what he's done his whole life. That's the Justice is. Yeah, he wants us to think he's strong even calls himself, a bodybuilder and tattoos of man's face on his back that he thinks his strong, and really he's just this insecure. Weak broken laroque little boy. Yeah. Yeah. They all are at some. Yeah. Yeah. Now stones time with the Trump campaign did not last. All that long in August of two thousand fifteen after a performance in one of the Republican primary debates that was wrongly considered to be disastrous for the Trump campaign. You remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Roger quit or was fired. Roger claims he quit at least Trump says that he fired Roger Roger says that he quit and basically fired Trump from anyway, it's. Who knows they each side? He was getting too much airtime for Trump's tastes. But was not the hypotheses that might be part of it. And it might also be that after that. Roger also thought that things were going badly with the campaign and didn't want like be attached to it anymore because it looked bad back. Then for John. Nobody was guessing Republicans were yacht, grooming. Get Trump out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people were angry. So that may have been why that happened. He was trying to anyway, this was not the end of the stone. Trump relationship though, according to one version of events, at least Roger stone was responsible for hooking Donald Trump up with Paul Manafort who at that point lived in Trump Tower, but did not actually know Donald. Well, some people say that stone is the guy who pushed Manafort on Trump, basically in order to give himself an in with the campaign that he'd probably been fired from if true this would be inappropriate reversal of Rogers agreement to act as manafort's proxy in the younger publicans so many years before it's nice little bit of symmetry. Yeah. It would be nice. If the only person either of them is capable of doing a single altruistic thing for. Is the other? If like, the one nice thing Paul Manafort every did was for Roger stone and vice versa. Like, it's funny. You know, I think when Manafort got hired I think in the documentary was stone who quoted his quote win Manafort got hired was back in the saddle again. Yeah. Like humpback. He knew that was his way back into the campaign. Yeah. And it does seem like and we'll see how things go now. But it seems like four a while the two were pretty good at being solid with each other backstab a lot of other people, but they were usually on the same side of things when they were both involved in the same thing. Some of that maybe that Manafort was really more overseas, you know, after like the eighties regularly second episode of survivor, but in DC. I mean, that's kind of. A union attack everybody else. Yeah. Just Roger stone and Paul Manafort against the world, the only smart member of that group in the long-term turned out to be black who has just got rich and decided to commit more crimes. Oh boy. Now, most of what we are going to talk about from here on out Roger stone's relationship with WikiLeaks and the impossibly criminal behavior. He engaged in on behalf of the Trump campaign. All of this is very controversial. We don't know exactly what happened yet. Because obviously the Muller reports not out there are competing versions of vents in competing suspicions of how things went down one thing. That is crystal clear about this time is that Roger stone was instrumental in bringing Alex Jones and Donald Trump together. Which again, that's why I brought up about conspiracies early. Here's always had that thing and starting in about two thousand thirteen he analysis Jones start being buddies eventually becomes a he's an Infowars employee for the last three years. So he's he's like hosting a show. He's reported there. He's making probably twenty twenty five grand a month. And I do want to I want to plug quickly here. Knowledge fight the podcast that talks about Alex Jones shows just did a fantastic episode on all of this year. If you go to knowledge fights website at knowledge fight are. Just look them up on Google knowledge. Fight the January twenty fifth two thousand nineteen episode. They're going to a lot more granular detail about this than we're going to because we're kind of covering his whole life. They this moron his shadiness with WikiLeaks. It's great. I really recommend it. But yeah. So it's unclear when exactly Alex and Roger became friends, but it's very clear that Roger was the reason that Donald Trump sort of got keyed into the fact that info wars existed at all because I don't think Donald Trump was listened to a lot of info wars in the nineties or whenever now in December of two thousand fifteen Donald Trump's showed up on Infowars and praised Alex Jones as having an amazing reputation as the two thousand sixteen election picked up steam stone became a more frequent guest on info wars on August. Fourth two thousand sixteen he showed up as a guest on the Infowars radio show at this point, Alex Jones was telling his listeners that Hillary Clinton was about to resign as a presidential candidate under the shame of a massive criminal indictment now at this point and number of hacked DNC emails had already been released via WikiLeaks st-. Tone claimed on air on August fourth to know about the upcoming release of more hacked DNC emails on WikiLeaks. He also claimed to have spoken with Donald Trump on August. Third more recent releases as part of the molar investigation if shown that on the fourth the same Bastogne was on info wars, he emailed Trump adviser Sam Nunn. Berg and told him he'd had dinner with Julian Assange the night before which if you're keeping track would be the same day he claimed to have met with Trump. So. When we talk about evidence of collusion. 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We're back, and we are talking about Roger stone on the two thousand sixteen election now over the course of two thousand sixteen Roger stone repeatedly played the role of hype man for WikiLeaks release of democratic campaign documents as well as Clinton advisor, John Podesta's emails on August twenty first he tweeted trust me, it will soon be time in the barrel. Hashtag crooked Hillary shortly thereafter, Wiki leaks. Published a cache of John Podesta's leaked mails. Roger frequently spoke on ener, info wars and wrote articles on Breitbart pooh-poohing, the idea that Russia had anything to do with all these hacks and pushing the narrative that goose for two point, oh, the person behind the DNC hacks was an independent activist hero in stones telling and not an agent of the Russian government now on election night, two hundred sixteen Roger stone's celebrated with his good, buddy. Alex Jones, the two drank champagne and saluted the dawn of a brave new era, but for Roger and probably for Alex to the end of the fun times was finally ni-. Donald Trump's upset victory. Got a lot of people to start looking much. More closely on whether or not there had been any collusion with WikiLeaks or the Russian government within the Trump campaign it quickly became apparent that USA for two point. Oh, wasn't fact Russian operative. He fucked up and gave investigators the digital equipment of DNA evidence that he was a spy, and of course, later leaked chat logs revealed that Roger stone had been communicating with him. Same thing happened with WikiLeaks. It's again still a little bit unclear. Exactly how all of this maps out. It seems like what happened is. Roger stone was communicating with a guy named drew Coursey who was one of the major origin points for like the birther bullshit methane and who also had connections with WikiLeaks. And that was his go between he was sort of working directly with WikiLeaks that way, and he definitely there's also been reports that he was sort of selling himself to the Trump campaign since he'd been kicked out as an adviser as a liaison to WikiLeaks and was coordinating with the campaign, probably with Steve Bannon. Yeah. That's what it looks like what's happening again. It's not exactly known. So it looks like. Yeah. Roger stone was working directly with Jerome Corsi as well as communicating with WikiLeaks one on one in communicating with USA for two point, oh in order to sort of coordinate the release of leaked documents with you know, the the the presidential campaign to hurt Hillary Clinton. Now wind all of this became the biggest news story in the country, which it's been for more or less the last two years. Roger suddenly started claiming that he had not in fact had direct contact with WikiLeaks or Assange, which of course, multiple times during the election. He had talked about unless radio shows and podcasts talking with WikiLeaks and stuff, but he had not been consistent about this. But he suddenly started lying once the molar investigation kicked up and began claiming that rather than talking directly with WikiLeaks or communicating in colluding like through with jerem Coursey his contact with WikiLeaks. He hadn't been collude pleading with them directly. They just had a friend in common stone claimed that that friend was Randy credit go now. Which again is the exact same thing. He did when he got caught the last time he did something science fiction the way these characters come back around now stone testify to the house intelligence committee in two thousand seventeen that this was the case and the recent indictment handed down by Bob Muller. Makes it clear that this was yet another lie. Stone was charged with witness tampering for telling critical things like stone wallet plead the fifth anything to save the plan. That's Richard Nixon quote by so win. Basically stone lies and says that credit co is his source to WikiLeaks. And he's telling credit co keep this lie going when you get in front of the house intelligence committee and his way to tell him to commit this federal crime is to send him a quote of Nixon telling someone to commit a federal crime that we have one of the things that Nixon got caught doing and his why he got impeached. It's really funny because he also always says history is prologue. Yes. Shakespeare has his prologue prologue. Yeah. And and in the tempest and the. Shakespeare speech when the guy was saying the character was saying that I remember the character. But when he was saying that it was way to excuse murder. This frigging guy like his code words are like so easy to decipher his cO word. And this is literally another guy committing the same time as commit exactly like he's such a dummy. Roger don't use that don't commit crimes through. What's I this is a different jump that? He's made the than the past year. And this is a lot dumber. Yeah. Past he also said things like if you turned over anything to the FBI, you're a fool. He threatened credit coasts service dog Bianca saying he would take that dog away from you. You are a rat. A stool you back stab your friends. Run your mouth, my lawyers are dying to rip you to shreds. I'm so ready. Let's get it on prepared to die, expletive. Now. It's worth noting that when questioned about this by mother Jones. Roger stone's stated that his words are being taken out of context. And we need said. Prepare to die motherfucker. He'd meant that credit. Co was dealing with cancer. So I should say. They should just really bad lies. She says, and it's even worse. Oh, I don't mean. I'm going to kill him. I mean, you guys and I'm going to remind him of that. Yes. I'm a prick. But I'll take his dug a he's Roger it's so funny too. Because at first I went, okay. This guy doesn't even like animals, he's he's a dick. And then the very next week when the FBI raided his home, he's likely upset my wife the upset by dogs. He's barely dot above that, you know. You know, a lot of people are he didn't say I'll kill your dog. So maybe he's threatening to duck demand service animal fair. Now like, you don't want different. Now is the old campaign was ally. By any means necessary. I'll do whatever I need to do to have this side of the country win. Now, he's like I don't care if it's another country. Yeah. That once as long as I don't get in trouble on his I don't get in trouble. So before it was like, I'll have the conservative side versus the liberal side. Now, it's like all have an enemy of the nation. Yeah. Skies. He's gone from from corrupt person to a traitor. Yeah. And and to a traitor who like in the months leading up to this on Infowars would regularly urge President Trump to essentially assume dictatorial powers and shut down the FBI investigation and stuff, and it's like that's a line. Roger that reassures the question for a lot of people are like for an outside of Trump really knows how to play the game Trump doesn't know how to play the game. He just. Knows how to find shady people in sunny places who know how to play the game he knows when to listen. And when you're in real estate, nobody cares because everyone in the real estate business is a criminal. And it's fine. We're fine with that. For some reason, not my milk, Long Beach, Susie. Thanks, susie. Sorry for John a mustache on your memo notepad that I got for free. She strangling a dog right now. Oh real estate agents hit us up on Twitter estate agents. Tell us about your favorite crimes that you've committed your all Nazis role, Nazis all real estate agent Nazis. Is the stance of this podcast? Now enough of the claims Roger stone made before congress were proven false that he has been charged with at least five counts of making false statements during his testimony. This is in fact, other than witness tampering like this. That's all of the indictment. So far have been like you lied, and you threaten to somebody who's going up like a federal witness, which you can't do. Now, it appears that the main downfall for Roger stone that got him busted by the FBI was his unjustified trust in the program. What's app, here's a quote from ours. Tamika it's vote. He believed that what's app, which he used as a secure phone line in for messaging would protect us communications from the ISO investigators for getting the people he was talking to could just show the messages to molars team at a grand jury. He also left an Email trail of his alleged misdeeds seemingly spanning a mile wide after WikiLeaks released Email stolen from the Democratic National Committee and July twenty second two thousand sixteen quote, a senior Trump campaign official was directed. The context own about any additional releases in what? Damaging information WikiLeaks had regarding the Clinton campaign, the titans states in return stone reached out to multiple associates in attempt to communicate with WikiLeaks and Julian Assange and obtained further Clinton related emails on July twenty fifth two thousand sixteen Stony mailed Coursey the subject line was get to Julian Assange. The message read get to Julian Assange and Ecuadorian embassy in London and get the pending WikiLeaks emails. They deal with foundation allegedly really jed don't leave text evidence of your crimes. Yeah. Everywhere. Roger glad he did. And then threaten the people who you've have an equal copy of all of the evidence of your crimes don't do that. You know now as a kid once I killed a cockroach, and I left his body there for the other cockroaches to see. Yeah. And that's what I want him to be. Yeah. I want him to be that cockroach I want him to be a cautionary tale Gladis getting caught. I want him and Manafort, I want a lot of cockroaches strung up on a lot of wall. Because I'm worried about the what they're inspiring. You know what I mean? That's they've gotta get. And that's why whenever people it's the. Same reason like whenever people like some ninety six year old Nazi gets found out in. They're like trying to extradite Embiid. Germany and people like, well, he's ninety six. No take him to court. Yeah. Let him die on a plane mcevers. Make it miserable. Make everyone else. No. This is what happens when you do crimes. We'll get you eventually. Yeah. Yeah. Now, this is the point at which I think we finally get an answer to the running question for this whole episode is Roger stone, actually, a political mastermind evil genius. Or did he just associate himself with a successful people and do a good job of hyping up. His BS contributions his behavior in two thousand eighteen was definitely the behavior. Cornered man growing increasingly panicked about coming legal smack downs. His appearances on Infowars grew more common. He would regularly attack the Mueller investigation as being part of the deep state cabal frequently begged President Trump to make use of extreme executive powers to fire rod Rosenstein and shut the whole thing down. It also seems to me at least that stones rhetoric grew more Pakalitha is the noose tightened. Here's a clip from him in late two thousand eighteen you will have a spasm of violence in this country and insurrection like you never say, you know, question, you think he'd be page like the country are heavily armed, my friend. Yes. Absolutely. The this is not nineteen seventy four. They. Be the people will not stand for impeachment of politician who votes for it would be endangering their own life. There will be violence on both sides. Yeah. Threatening people. He's threatening an apocalyptic civil war, and sink any politician who voted. Yeah. For it would have their lives threaten. Yeah. It's he's sending those are dog whistle messages threats threat. It's not even a fucking pig's ear throwing right at like a bunch of I dunno to finish that analogy. But you get my point. Most of stones media appearances over the last year seemed to have been a way for him to advertise. His go fund me legal defense fund. This fund has raised so far about seventy eight thousand dollars in the month. It's been up Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign adviser infringe of Roger stone actually started the campaign. He claims that stone has lost everything in the ongoing legal battle. Politico noted that the month before stone posted an Instagram picture of himself on a beach smoking a cigar and wearing designer sunglasses. So probably a ally like everything else registered whatever said one group at least has stuck with Roger stone in the wake of his indictment arrest. The proud boys. Stone started using them as his personal security for events in two thousand seventeen and eventually went through what they call their first degree initiation. He just go to my was the day to do this and their whole initiation is around like claiming the like, I'm not going to apologize for creating the world as a western man. I don't know. I don't think it's a coincidence that he picked Cinco two mile. I think there is anything they can do to be bit more racist. It's really even even the idea of a white Ray. Says ally. Yeah, there is no white race. It was a construct. No, no such thing hanging out with the Russian hanging with an Irishman. It's not the same thing in the in. The proud boys are a little smarter than the white race. They Clinton western civilization. That's their all. Because then you don't have to be white, but you can still essentially snooze welcome to the MRI then embrace your Middle Eastern side because that's what Iran is Iran is supposed to be the birthplace of the real white people. That's why it sounds like area. It's iran. Yeah. So so get your white loafers out. And you're Capri one hundreds. Yeah. And start calling people my friend, if you really want to be the origin of white, comment and way, better cooking, lamb way better. Cooking cannot cook a damn land in this country to save our lives. It's just it's it's all a trick. It's winter powerful white man tells a poor white man that he's just like him. It's hypnotize ING, but that's exactly Roger stone talks about as a young, man. Like, I'm going to be the bridge between working class white people in rich white people that makes that's exactly what he's always been about. Yeah. Yeah. So of course, he would like the proud boys. One prominent proud boy is currently selling Roger stone. Did nothing wrong t-shirts when he was arraigned last Monday. Several proud boys provided an escort enchanted their vocal support of the man, we haven't talked much about Roger stone's style obsession in this podcast. I just it. It's not really funny. Like, I read a bunch of what he wrote. It's just like pretentious stuff people who care about suits and whatnot. Which if that's your thing. That's fine. Everybody's gotta have a thing. But there is a way in which that became a source of some shot and Freud for me starting I think in the nineteen ninety stone became increasingly enamored with ostentatious outfits generally dressing, like someone who lives to fight Batman. He became the daily caller's men's style. Correspondent and also writes ten best and worst dressed list every year and most of these columns stones header image is a picture of himself dressed as wielding a gun like JAMES BOND. He clearly views himself as a slick bad as political operator in wants others to see him that way to that reputation has been punctured by a long series of dumb mistakes, many of them in his appearances on Infowars. Mistakes, claiming exiled Chinese businessmen. Whoa. When we had been convicted of financial crimes donated illegally to Hillary Clinton. Steve bannon. None of this was true stone and Infowars were sued for one hundred million dollars and last year. Roger stone was forced to make an on air public apology for having failed to do proper research. He's almost seventy. Yeah. That's what I keep reminding myself the way he behaves. Yeah. He's a grandfather. He is a grandfather he's almost seventy and this is how he acts. This is how he behaves. This is the philosophy. He has that. He's a a spy in a bad ass and use all this tough guy language, and really he's the one who sees himself naked and weak and his bones getting softer and has muscles starting to sag. He can't beat time. No, nobody can nobody can make me. So well. Owlry? Patrick stewart. Other than Patrick's what nobody can have your. He's really nailed time eight maybe a greater motivator. But love makes your skin look better when you had older. Yeah. Oh, man. He looked so good. He looks great. Yeah. Yeah. Now, despite all of Roger stone's claims to being a sly, bad ass, brilliant, Nick Sonian, style political operator. Roger stone has proven to just be bad criminal who got lucky for awhile. He's not a bad ass. He's just bad in the wake of his indictment. Roger stone has whined incessantly about having roughly as much force used against him in his apprehension as a small time pot dealer in Texas stone complain that he wasn't called ahead of time to give him a chance to dress up. And look his best for his the cameras. Instead, he was photographed in a simple blue polo shirt when he was released later that day he had to give his press conference looking like a normal elderly man and not the penguin from. It is a moment of great shot and Freud for me, and we are going to in the episode by playing the clip of his press conference love it and arrested defined shoddy Reuter what's taking pleasure in the misfortune of others German high. It's a great word. I didn't. Eric. Well. I have always said the only thing worse. Is not getting talk to. Ten year position the charges today relate and low way to rushing collusion WikiLeaks elaboration or any other illegal lack in connection with the twenty sixty campaign. I am falsely accused of making false statements during my testimony house committee. That is incorrect any. Era. I made in my testimony would be immaterial and without intent. I far, right. I wanted to. Yeah. It's it feels good right? Feels good. It's like for your soul. So it makes me believe in God. And Santa Claus lock him up. Locked him up sounds. Oh, it's so nice. It's like a pizza after smoking weed. Yeah. So satisfying. I'm not normally a big fan of chanting as part of a crowd. In a fun of crowd chant as part of and believe me as an Arab in America. The only time I like people chanted USA USA USA is during the Olympics. Yeah. Outside of that go into lock him up at Roger stone, man. Oh, it's so good emotional bubble wrap is also pleased that eat it all does a letdown. Give me the bread to suck up the saw. Yeah. Yeah. That tastes good tastes good. At the end of this this gross tail. So didn't fries shot and Freud shot in Freud idea? Taking pleasure in the misfortune of others that great German work. Great word. Yeah. They're they're really great at making single words for things. Although this is like the joy of seeing Justice. Yeah, there's a little bit. Like this justified beginning of it anyway. Yeah. It's the start of process of Justice that hopefully leads him dying in a cell. Yeah. I'm a big believer in rehabilitation. But if you're seventy and doing the shit Roger stone's been doing for the last couple of years. I couldn't agree more probably not gonna get rehab. I agree not allowed in society anymore seemingly Paul Manafort. You know, if you're if you're crime. Is selling drugs or even beating someone even even accidentally killing an individual even killing someone in in the in the throes of a sudden rage. I believe in some sort of like rehabilitation for you. But if you're crime is conspiring to thwart the liberty of millions of people around the world. I don't believe in rehabilitating that hundred percent agree. Yeah. Hundred percent. It's a it's a crazy thing to see someone who can that. Like, you know, I I came from a dad that was abusive, and he had PTSD from war, and I had a drinking problem and everything against him. But I could always look back and say, I understand the dynamics of abuse. I understand that he was abused to. Yeah. And then the guy that bidding was like a vampire and I had to go to therapy. So it could be like one of the vampires. Twilight like there was a shirt there was a 'cause there was an origin. And that's why you're great at baseball. Yeah. Exactly. But with him you just look at this. And I still at the end of it, even if their satisfaction. I just go why it's a sad story. Yeah. Is it usually is with these guys? Yeah. Yeah. And there's really like it's a man who I don't think ever had anything at the center of himself that he was proud of. So he was proud of his ability to do things for other people here admired, whether an I I people who didn't know him like when he's he's lying about Nixon that can get you know, his class devote for JFK. And then he gradually gets like the first one of these guys that he works for that. He gets anywhere close to Richard Nixon. He just loves the rest of his life because Nixon spent time with him like he wasn't a part of Nixon staff, they like hung out together and stuff. And so I really do you. See he doesn't say a lot about it other than like fawning praise for Nixon, but you see pictures of Nixon and Roger stone, and he very much has that doting son look and hundred percent and. Even his office is like a shrine shrine, Richard Nixon mixing, it's so crazy isn't even be one thing. Like a guy like LBJ who like killed a lot of people in Vietnam. But you could also be like well, but then there's the Civil Rights Act, and I can see how someone could like even with this guy's really problematic legacy. I could see how someone who worked for him could be still loyal to that memory Nixon. And and some of the stuff some of the stuff he kept was like Neg anti Nixon stuff that shows. He just doesn't care about. He just. Way. Knicks lawns attention about. Yeah. Yeah. Just wants attention because it can his parents were never right. Exactly. There's always a thin line in the show between trying to give it a tailed history of these people psychoanalyzing can't avoid it entirely though. When you read quotes like how Roger describes his childhood, and then just see what is adult life is. I mean is life couldn't have been easy? He was a child with doll hair. Yeah. That is that is a child bodybuilder with the Nixon tash body. This. Imagine a shrunk version of him. That's it. He's always been that. He was always had that tattoo you. I was back even we was breastfeeding. You know, one of the great forever. Untold stories of history will be the sheer impact and damage that insecure male egos have had in our society on place, where you wouldn't expect it you wouldn't expect Dwight D Eisenhower didn't give off a lot of impulses of being an insecure, man. But then you see what he was doodling when we overthrew Guatemala when he heard that like he'd successfully instituted a coup in this country, and he drew a picture of himself young and swale like muscular next to a battleship flexing. And it's like yet, dude you had some issues that's not normal. I mean, we're our whole lives. We hear how how hard it is for women that they lose their beauty. But we don't talk about fading power. Yeah. You know, I grew up in a really rough neighbor. Nice to be a scary looking guy sleeve tattoos, but I'm a nicer person. And I go to go to therapy. But the one thing I miss is. When I. I walked down the street that people move away from me 'cause you're like your big and must stuff. Yeah. There's something about that is much as I hated who. I was back then I miss that feeling. Yeah. I mean a human pit bull. There's not a lot of training in our society for young men to get used to the fact that they will someday not have the kind of physical power. They this is I mean, I really admired my grandpa former grappa was a really big guy. Six foot five six foot six of mine that and he was he was military most of his life fought in Korea was like a very big very imposing, man. But the last ten or fifteen years of his life was just completely debilitated with Parkinson's didn't really move. But I never got never ever ever of all of the emotions that I saw him. None of them was anger. None of them was like lashing out at people over the fact that I could tell he was frustrated obviously on being able to control his body anymore. And I don't think a guy like Roger stone or guy like Dwight, Eisenhower, whatever I don't think. I don't think they got that at any point then editor. Okay. You're going to be able to control the world around you less as you get older 'cause that's just life. And that's why we have society and civilization. We all work together to take care of each other because we'd get weaker. We need more help, you know. Yeah. They don't get that. That's where libertarians covers dangerous dangerous language in our society. This a friend of mine reminded me the other night, like boys don't cry is at Fraser turns us and amend. The don't talk. It's like women grope with impossible, physical standards. But really men grope with impossible motion ones. Yeah. And when something bad happens a little boy, if he's not able to talk Kenny turn into something evil dark and twisted upside down, the if the alternative, which is admitting like weakness and in pain and a need for help. If that is literally unthinkable because of the society he's been raised in like, yeah. What else does he do? But like get violent. Yeah. Yeah. As like a worldwide problem. I agree. I agree. One hundred percent. I went. College in Sweden. I saw a movie there. It was judge Dredd shit. Yeah. The original the original. Okay. The good I was going to call it. So as class wasn't starting for three weeks. So he went to see dread. And it was rated X. And I was like she learns making porn. So then I wasn't going to watch it. But a bunch of people were going in. I'm like screw I'll go in. I regular movie two weeks later. I see a movie with a Swedish French Swedish movie rated PG does nephews next to us. And I got pulled down his pants and his penises out there, and he's shaking it around. And and I'm in shock kids. Just eating Swedish Swedish fish. Yeah. It's just a pain. It's just a penis, whatever. And then my son goes, I forgot you from America. Yeah. You guys rate your movies by sex? We read or movies by violence. Yeah. And I just felt like a monkey no. And it's. It makes more sense. Yeah. It really does. And there's a lot of. I mean, we could we could we could go down this rabbit hole for forever. So we're well off. I mean, don't apologize because it's it's a subject. That's never not interesting to me. You know, it's the difference between as a little kid. I started shooting guns when I was six or seven my uncle came over, and he taught me how to shoot, and we did some hunting and stuff like that. And I don't think that's unhealthy. But I think playing with guns the way I played with guns as a little kid was unhealthy. I think that's bad for you. I think that like fetishes -ation violence and power and then coming into a world. And I think there's this video games give it to you to where you used to in this one little aspect of your life. This fantasy aspect having all this control. And being able to be the arbiter of who lives in dies and all this stuff, and you go into the real world where you have none of that control because it's the world and there's other people doing their own things. And you can't just be. That's where the all right comes from is that like dichotomy that likes mental disconnec-. I think you're right. I think people masturbate to the alright the way people who don't have sex mastery. Two porn stars. Yeah. They're behaving away in doing things that I can't do. But I wish I can. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's why these guys focus on Nazis, or whatever you just got got rid of all the people. They don't like because all these little kids in their rooms. Just have a bunch of hate for people who won't go away the way their enemies in the game. Well, yeah. And I guess that's why Roger stone embraced the proud boys in the outright so definitively because at the end of the day, he didn't have video games to grow up with. He is that guy. 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Sports. And right now, I'm Trevor scale the name calling cabinet gardeners and opinion for so many reasons in football and former NBA Commissioner David Stern is the latest to offer his on the former NFL quarterback, according to stern in a podcast with Bloomberg that will air February eighteenth kaffir, Nick with soupy playing had he'd been a part of the NBA instead of the NFL the explanation for how and why he would have maintained a career. It's simple. The NBA was looking to humanize their players Thoenes said in part as we were digging out of terrible whole us in the late seventies and eighties. When there was a fair amount of racism exhibited about players, we felt as a matter of policy we had to promote our players and show that they were real people and it worked Colin Kaepernick was brought up with the new af is well co founder of the league Bill Polian sold the flooding that Catherine was contacted about the typically joining the startup, but that's the former San Francisco caller wanted at least twenty million dollars to consider play. Currently all af. Players receive three year two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, non guaranteed contracts. So for now, it's back over the I say. Into the second hour. I take on this. Good friday. We are Charlotte. Having a good old time and be all star weekend. And you just heard it, according to former NBA Commissioner David Stern, Colin Kaepernick would still be playing. If he played in the NBA max to do agree with it. I think if the NBA if the NFL were run like the NBA David Stern or Adam silver were running the NFL kaffir. Nick would be playing in the NFL. This does not mean that he handled everything perfectly or the NBA didn't have certain rules that I didn't love for example, mandatory participation in the anthem ceremony. Right. But you have to understand the NBA in the seventies and eighties. David Stern pointed out was not a mainstream league to the extent that it became understood stewardship why because it was perceived by for lack of a better term middle America as a black league as and that was perceived by a large portion of this country as something to be afraid of. And so what David Stern knew he was up against was an image issue where? He had to show people that these are people just like you. It's okay. Don't be scared. There's a dress code when they come to press conferences. See look, suits and ties everyone is that. Okay. They stand for the for the for the anthem. And I think there was a lot of recognition around the league the kind of biases that the league was up against it was not simply because hey, the players must jump when we say jump and the Makhmudov Abdul Rauf situation where formerly Chris Jackson refused to stand for the anthem. They weren't. Yes. At first. He was suspended. But then they worked it out. And he's still played in the league. And that's what David Stern means as far as I can tell we would have figured something out. I believe him. Stephen you should believe him because he's telling the truth, Colin cabinet would've been playing in the NBA. But I think it's important to distinguish the difference between the Colin cap, and that protested and has been exiled from the NFL and Colin cabinet this DFL. And has been exempt from the NFL the Colin cabinet there protested. Oh, David Stern would've worked at out. I'm not. So sure David Stern would have been that receptive to NBA back in the league. If you decided to sue the NBA that is a different problem. And that is what I think that we have to pay attention to when we're talking about Colin cap, and one of the things that rakes my last nerve people so often get into how things should be and our pre chic that. But I'm not going Lada. Yo, I'm a black, man. And I'm thinking about the way things are, and when I talk about looking out for my people, I like to crystallize for us what the obstacles also, you know, what they are and you operate accordingly. If you are common capitec, I don't bring up the fact that you will want it to end us starting last season. I'm not gonna bring up the fact that you tweeted sixteen year last nineteenth thoughts as an NFL player, and that could be justification in the eyes of some owners as to why it's not. A priority for us to give you a job because I know you're being ostracized. I know that you're being black ball. So I'm not going to use that as an excuse. But what I am saying is this if you are Colin cap, Nick, everybody's out there quick to talk about sticking out your chest and gear fights like fight, the good fight, and blah, blah, blah. All right. That's cool. But you know, what's coming down the pike. Don't you? Because there's a system in place that says excuse me, we are gonna let you elevate. But so far, we are gonna let you flex with so much, and if you do that we're going to make sure that use you as an example for price to pay Eric. We got a job right here. Carolina. Nobody said that nobody said anything about that. They didn't mind data minus brother getting a job. Why not because they understood that in a grand scheme of things you've got seventy percent of more of black players in the National Football League. That's like damn net. This man deserves the job just like colleague cabinet deserted. But. But you could make an example of Colin cabinet not only because he was considered to instigate the provocateur, but also somebody who had the temerity to fool you and when that is going on. It's just important for us as communities in this nation to recognize no matter how wrong they are imacs and myself, and so many others are going to speak adamantly and emphatically against it the system that is out. There is always going to reach a point where they're going to make sure that you pay a price to set an example because of fear that followers are going to come from the background to come up to the forefront. Just to make sure they want to neutralize those people. That's what this is about. So David Stern is making a point. And he's telling the truth as it pertains to the protest. But if Collin cabinet hedge sued the NBA, I'm just not so sure to say to say, look, look, this is a racist. Escape -able. And all that is obviously. And there's a an interesting series of books that I that my one of my daughters. Reads called called who is ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Who is and there's who's Rosa Parks, and you know, once upon a time, you could have made the argument. Hey, you have to understand if you insist on an I understand there's not exactly a moral Quincy. But as an example, if you sit down there's gonna be trouble, right? The buzzed Montgomery bus company. Driver says make make it light on yourself. Right. And I never buy that argument. Make it light on yourself. You got to do what's right? And you have to stand up for yourself. And eventually there was a boycott as a result of that behavior at eventually, the laws changed, right and things got better. And I would say that Colin Kaepernick did right by not making it light on himself. Right ever. Agreed. Yes. He eventually got a job. Why do you have to miss a season? He's a good safety. There was no good reason that he wasn't employed by. NFL team. And Colin Kaepernick, I did not I say this is what I eventually said it was because my cold up. Maybe he's waiting for a starting job in Colin. You might be a backup at this point. You're kind of bubble starter. But at a certain point he doesn't have he's not one of sixty four quarterbacks in the league that is nonsense getting back to west. So of course, go, and so if they're going to be colluded again getting back to the whole David Stern element where you can ultimately come to his defense as well Robinson, Bob Lanier, Buck Williams, Connie Hawkins, Spencer Haywood all at one point in time or another NBA history. You know, have gone at the NBA and still has an association with the NBA. So we have to give the NBA credit for that. And then you've got stern along with Adams Silva, his successor who I can never ever applaud enough for when they went up on Capitol Hill in defense of the players with the whole steroids era and Yod they went up on Capitol Hill and spoke on behalf of their products their brand and NBA players who are eighty percent. Plus. African American and reminded them of what value they have to Assadi as a whole that transcends the world of sports. So they deserve. David Stern was right to make that statement. And I applaud it, and I hope the NFL is listening because they could learn some thing to from the former Commissioner and the present commission who by the way, they were interested in becoming Commissioner Roger Goodell. If you listened to the reports about Adam so one real quick thing, Donald sterling so deeply offended players when he was caught on tape. Right. Saying what he said that I was expecting. I was cynical about this. They'll give them a ten million dollar five super-rich. Angela and Adam silver came out and said these players are business partners. You have irreparably offended them. You're out of here that showed me the way the NBA operated by the wayside NFL is interested to Max's point. It's not just Adam silver. Lebron James see Petri worked behind the scenes along with a plethora of other players to fall. Stir that decision that was made about Donald sterling again, highlighting the point that your partner showed out and got him up out of their one hundred percent, by the way, congrats to Eric read three year extension here. Carolina with the Panthers. Godly look at looking crash like this. Thank you. Here with us. So I heard you didn't sleep very much leading up to the told trade deadline. You weren't traded. What was your reaction when you heard that wasn't gonna happen? Really just a relief. Just kind of getting all that stress off of me, my family, you know, we've been in Memphis for twelve seasons, and it's been home. So knowing that the organization was looking to go a different direction was a little tough on all of us wants to pass. You know is this trying to refocus again, like how am I gonna show up to work tomorrow? And got gotta be a pro about it and this moving for I just wanna make sure I'm quoting you accurately, you use the word relief because to me the word Decatur mama was depression. I thought you was gonna say the press, enemies wise, because I noticed much I wanna chat a Memphis because I'm looking at your talents, and what you can do for a playoff contender. And I think at talents are being wasted in Memphis. Do you see any hope and it light at the end of the tunnel and men see I? Just don't say man, you know, always trying to be positive, man. That's my that's my city, and we try to make the best of the situation. Obviously, what the organization decided to do by putting this out there, and you know, making this available kind of show where we're going in that direction. So it's a little bit more often me and it's about. Knowing that, you know, eventually I'll have to turn turn another chapter. Thirty one years old. I've been a fantastic point guard your entire career, and to my mind the type of guard you can win a championship with because you play on both ends of the floor and you hook up your teammates. And you don't turn the ball over and your shoot. Well, everything that you want your point guard to do. But thirty one brother, you don't have that many more years in your prime, right? Right. Right. You must want to be a part of a championship potentially championship team at some point. Yeah. I want to win doesn't that mean you have to leave Memphis considering the direction they're going if that's the direction we're going. It's got to happen. I'm sure at some point sooner than later like you said being thirty one. You know, I I don't have much time not to waste, and and you know, rebuild or anything like that. So you know, hopefully, we can figure it out. So let me just throw it out there because I thought like if it was the beginning of the season Toronto had you maybe that's a championship team. Maybe especially considering they pick up this all, but maybe not in the middle of the season to pick you up, and that's a lot for the point guard. Let me just throw this out there. Lebron James is looking for help in LA. What's your level of interest? We hear a lot of things a lot of guys don't wanna play with LeBron. What would your level of interest be in that situation that that came came about? I'd be interested for sure who wouldn't want wanna play. He does play for the Memphis grizzlies, and they'd have had some success in the past. They've been the conference bottle before they've been the semi finals of few times. So it's not like they haven't had some good moments in Memphis, but I will knowledge this what disappoints me about the organization is one thing. And one thing only if you're going to keep you keep gazelle to let go of Saul. But to keep you there that to me sends the wrong message because it's like, well, we're moving into different direction, and we might have to rebuild I, but we'll keep you around. And it's so to me was it a situation where you want it to Saul to stay you thought both a y'all should be gone or you just go ride and this organization because guess what? It's memphis. I love because I know how much you love the city right now. I support of you on the philanthropic you are in that area is at one of those situations where you like, listen, Memphis. Yeah. It was unique. You know, because we didn't ask to be obviously traded. We didn't ask me put out there. But it was situation. We were put in at that moment. You know, the I envisioned retire in there and all the things like that. But that put doubt and everything all of a sudden it was like, I can I got to start thinking about the future. Now thinking about you know, how can I get to a winning situation? If that's possible. We always talk about these point guards. We talk about staff, we talk about Russell Westbrook. We talk about kyri. We talk about talking about all of these guys. We're the you feel you should you should be or what what what level and the discussion. Do you believe your play should be when we're talking about all of these other point guards in the NBA, how should people think about Mike, and I'm all star, man. That's really what. I've always seen myself as and I've always seen myself on the same level as these guys and one day, you know, I'll get my. But, but if you don't and you put up great numbers, I mean, it's not just like almost twenty points and six assists or something. It's also like fewer than two turnovers and shoot a good percentage from three as I mentioned and all that stuff. But Mike the point guard position is so stacked. There are only so many slots on at all star team. So if you're an all star one of these dudes Steph harden, Westbrook, Lillard kyri Kemba, I got to Kyle Lowry in these dudes who you replacing off that list. Ben Simmons pig pick one, man. I don't know at some point at some point. It's got to have any you know, every year somebody kind of forces their way in and they get opportunity. I think you know, like this year, I'm very happy for the ngelo. Russell. That's my guy. He's russell. No, he is. He is. He's he's great, man. He's got you know, really, I'm very excited about I real seriously because Dangelo Russell hits and that deservedly so at the top of the nonsense, but there's no question that the ngelo Russell has been balding the deserves a lot of love. I would ask you this question. What is it about you? And about your game that you don't believe is being mentioned enough or given nearly as much as it deserves. Really, I think is the total impact of the game. You know, when you look when I get on the court the game changes. I think completely. I don't get into metrics and all that other stuff. But I feel like we are a much better team when I'm on the court as opposed when I go sit down, and there's some say about that doesn't mean that I have to go out there and score thirty or have twenty six, but I changed the game on both ends of the floor. But that kind of play isn't it hard like one of the problems with the kind of culture, they have and Golden State. That's so hard to capture is if you're an all-star caliber talent, but you are truly team oriented, then sometimes the counting numbers and the stuff that people look to aren't there. And then you never make an all star. Yeah. It's tough is it's like a battle. I've always had with myself because that's just who I am a month self as dude I could go out there and try to get thirty points tonight. But that's not going to help my team win -sarily all the time. And I'm more of a guy that wants to the next guy succeed. And if we succeed the team, you know, everybody has their own. Individuals. Do I should use what you're going to do about it? And the reason why as where you consider the game. And I remember a few years ago you signed that you sign one hundred and fifty three million dollars just so much noticed the plan. The table. But right at that Tom that was considered expensive. Now. I mean, you got cats that that that does making twenty thirty forty million more than even put up state numbers. So I'm sitting there thinking about, you know, one how smart you are thinking that you like money like any other human being and I'm saying excuse me, where do you go from here? Mike analogy you when you consider the money that is available out there. And how you being a nice guy that you are relatively quiet could actually cost you dollars. Well, I think I've made enough of made enough time was in a grisly. You know, I wanna I wanna win. I wanna win. No, never not really saying on the one hand, not only I don't wanna drop thirty. If it's not gonna help my team win. But I'm willing to forego money by being that kind of player by looking just for the most money because I want to win going forward. I already made one hundred fifty million. I'm good. That's what you're saying. That's exactly right, man. That's exactly right. We want this. Junior. State farm Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed, no one bird down, your she shed shero all really Victor because my she sheds burning up in the backyard here. She shared was struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she sheer. She had. Can we stop saying? She should now. Go with a one that's here to help life, go, right? State farm talk to an agent today. Sports that are right now, I'm driver scales. And leave it to Atlanta to get the Knicks out of their eighteen games slump. New York's got eleven total wins on the season. Three of them have come against the hooks. Which are no what I could find a win and a loss this rack up them lottery odds, baby. And there are also some positives to take out of the game itself. Pick things up in the second quarter look at coach David physical there. Trae young off screen Alliott. Doug Collins, take that Collins contest participant this weekend. Opening see a little bit more of that. Now fourth quarter Knicks up nine Dennis Smith junior. Polo game strong yards are Jordan fan as well. From the bids later on ten. And Jordan getting hits pick and roll the standard for him. Knicks win bought fifteen. Now, the next to get their first win and forty one days since beating the Lakers on January fourth snaps their longest single game single season losing streak in franchise history next. We'll be back in action a week from today when they host the T wolves. They'll be looking to snap their seventeen game home losing streak in that enough that expect the first thing. Welcome back just Charlotte, you need to laugh, and we heard we. Day here. I'm home home home, I'm home, and as a comic genius. I'm home. I'm home of home of other lack was going on seventy is going on, man. This is an amazing weekend. Great city to be involved star. Medicines southern hospitality is what it's all about right here. A lot of people coming in town. North Carolina guy. So you know, what it is eastern North Carolina. Small little town called Plymouth, North Carolina. Big south diploma Plymouth coming down out of my family coming down. So don't be offended. My family got me coming down making things real messy. I'm telling until you. All my family is eastern North Carolina. So we got that red clay there. So a lot look down. You're gonna see red clay on on your show on the Solta shoes. So, you know, that's my family got you. I got back is back with their maybe heating the barbecue sandwich with a school coleslaw and time Khosla off Bundy Michigan. Yeah, let's get into. Let me tell us about your tour coming up on amazing to a lot of gagging to cannot wait to come back on the road, as you know, I've been a standard thirty years doing stand up. So this has been an amazing role for me that we keep reinventing ourselves and having a good time. But I had a councilman talk because I was overseas shooting the movie Spiderman movie. I thought that from July to October last year. So I had to cancel my original tour and not a tour resumes. This March when I wrap up curb your enthusiasm the new season by weight back on the road. It was going to be an amazing tour. I start. Stop will be Seattle north little rainy day. I love Seattle San Fran would be on the second of March. The first would be Seattle bunch of days coming up. We got Philadelphia. We got we got your cog. Oh, we got got some major cities coming up. We got all Landau. I like New York I will be in New York in June. Don't Caroline's six shows and Caroline and your Knicks fan, right? I'm an ex fan. Yeah. Suffering that that how'd you go about the poor thing is trade. I I'm really weird about trading young guys because I feel like we haven't got the monitor all of them. I would await it. You know, got something for him when he gets better. I don't I don't like trading guys in the middle of them getting better. I trade value. I like getting value bringing something to the team this team is suffering as we know. But also, you gotta realize this is not just a sports franchise. It's entertainment for the fans. Give us something to root for you know, why are you rooting for the Knicks refunded company? What are you doing? I'm saying, I'm I'm talking to management personally, give us something to root forty. I see you out in LA. I've seen you know, what I trade it in the next for the Lakers. I'm a happier person. Now manning, I'm happy to hang around. This is New York City is a huge market, right? The lakers. Great terrible. Brandon get there. You know? What would have happened come on minimum movie about your part of the problem with the next because the fans root for the team? No matter what dole knows that he could run out anything out there. Now still going to make money because of people like you, you're part of the problem. Oh, no. But we as fans have got to make suggestions. And how you know. We gotta put an entertainment spin on it because I'm entertainer. So I can't go at it as athlete because I'm not an athlete. I'm a guy who watches the games who sat courtside who watches the games and watch what people their suppression. We as comedians as an attendance, we feel on our body. What is reciprocated was coming towards us ball players running up and down the court. We get it tends to be on stage about ill. What we're getting back. Every now sitting in sitting in that stadium. I'm not getting anything that love feeling. I got tickets, and I gotta be here. Let me help you out. Let me have. Yeah. Let me break down the situation for and then after that tell you was the plan. Okay. New York Knicks porzingas walks into the office on paraphrase porzingas walks into their office knows. He's got an opportunity to get the Dallas. We'll look dodger getting those boys. Right says I want out if you don't let me out I'll stay here. I'll sign a qualifying offer. That will make me an unrestricted free agent in a year. And meantime, while I'm here, I will be clear about not wanting to be here so much. So that went free agents. What to come here this summer? I'll be right here. Stop telling y'all don't come because I don't wanna be here, and I ain't planning on staying. So the New York next day dam that we going to do is we're going to get you up outta here. We're going to clear an additional forty plus billion and cap space is going to give us enough money for two max players, and we are going after Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving because we believe that the best shot at getting marquee free agent is by being able to tell that marquee free agent. Who you wanna come? With what did you say to that plan? No. I totally get it. I believe me, I'm on page with you. But I'm just going by historically, what has happened in New York sports since I'm a throat the next. I'm not Nixon Matola Jetson here. We know. How does thin go? The you know about now happens happen. What's seeing your mind happening? Right. Never happens that way, you notice already you've been Puertas too long. I do I do. Told me J J what we will hanging out of LA. You said to me, Stephen wiz hope about our fact you interviewed me for discussion about MSG. You remember that you said to me, Stephen why the negativity where's the whole? And so now here, I am having hope and you sit near squash. No, I feel you. I'm just telling you gotta do. I gotta do that. I'm telling you this storm people under the bus. And then there started and drop and Robin over them what I'm saying. Right now. So a lot of fans under that bus right now, you know, hoping this bus don't drive over us. We have to really think about this, historically speaking. This is not this is what was it could be a Christmas present all year round. We can enjoy if that happens, but. When you say things you thought to universe because what happened they grab it? And it crushed up. Pausing is porzingas doesn't wanna stay on a stay. Why are we up? We know. How did you miss all all that? We about to your point. I remember when I was a kid we're gonna get Tim Hardaway the daddy. Tim Hardaway with Chris Childs Hardaway junior. They're going to they're going to get LeBron GS welled up with a one need Mari start Meyer. No K D on the next. We'll tell you right now. I'm not just picking my city, but you get the same results. These these losses by swapping the jets and the Knicks have some Knicks play a few downs of ball and have somebody. Play some five Bob on Bob gone. I'm telling you right now start speaking on got on all three of us up. Here are incredibly familiar and knowledgeable about the Knicks history. Yes, all I'm trying to say is keep overlap. I know keep hoping it happens. I will be the first one to come over here. Come back to the show. And thank you for doing that to the universe will tell you that. I heard you winning MVP tonight. Oh, you know what? Why you lied to America? I am not I'm going to be playing in this level. Be honest to you his my game. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not a big time scorer, right? I'm like oh snap. J B hit a three pointer out of the clear blue 'cause my name was tau in the movie almost Christmas. So when you're hot you're hiding what your wife? Don't get me started talking about Larry is his his his gonna play. I I like the intangibles, I'm the hustle guy. I'm gonna go hit the boards. I'm the guy that's gonna play defense. I'll predict at least five blocks tonight at least five blocks. I know I like to play defense and I like smack and you'll face my. Here's my plan is right now. Now, how do those people off a little bit? But I put my chin on chest debt. My thing is get my sin as close to your chest. It's possible. You can't go with his taller player you're guarding. I use the box analogy when you guy with a long arms. You're getting a chest. He along on nothing when I'm on you like this. And I break it down. I'll play like my New York. Everybody knows mount Vernon is king of basketball and New York state. Okay. Nobody I don't know that go ahead. We don't go ahead. Read Williams, scooter riding McCrae, Ben going keep going and going on and on and on. We got some amazing players from Vernon. So I have all cabinet and say, Raj stricklin your watch. I mean, we really want to go there talking about. Hey, I'm talking about about little go to force where miles a little school Vernon New York. Okay. Four square miles. You can skip doing my Vernon. You understand what I'm trying to tell you. I do all the time. I do I do play defense. I do like the play defense. Get my my teammates involved in a game. I'm not a big time scorer. But I I get dirty. I'm I'm very rod other. He's another one. I what you going to be like Kevin Hart. And like man be man. I don't get mad. I turn around and go like this. I got. Kevin Neal ready. People all game. Ten people chest tactic. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're tuning in learn more about full sail. Universities, Dan, Patrick school sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash ESPN. I take on the NBA all star game in Charlotte painters. American city home of the Panthers Ryan Holland's back with some trouble at this desk fired up. All right here, we go. So LeBron James received a lot of criticism for being courtside for dukes win last Saturday night against Virginia. Because it looked like a recruiting trip for the king. He addressed that with our Dave mcmenamin saying a recruiting trip. I talked to anybody. They're only saying that because it's rich when Shaq came to see me play in high school when I came to see me playing high school, they weren't saying that it was a recruiting trip then but because it's Rich Paul in LeBron now, it's a recruitment trip. Now rich is a threat to everybody. Stephen. Is he recruiting Zion? I don't think they were recruiting him that day. But the reality is is this the brawn James and Rich Paul obviously heavily scrutinized in the case of Rich, Paul. I would make the argument that it's not unfair. There's a game within a game that's played in every business in every walk of life. And if Rich Paul is playing better than most get the hell over it. It's just that simple. He's doing what he's doing. But I will say this. I do not want to hear LeBron James or Rich Paul because I think it was LeBron James it said today mcmenamin throw in the fact that he's black as well. That part is nonsense. Here's why some of the elite agents in the business representing NFL players Bill. Duffy is one of the best to ever do it. He's black Henry Thomas God rest, his wonderful soul who passed away last year. He represented the way Chris Bosh and others. He's black years ago with the Bill Strickland's at the world represented rachi Wallace and others. He was black. The Goodwin brothers Aaron and Eric elite in this business to this day. They are also black. So you can make the argument about people scrutinizing Rich Paul and doing so unfairly, and I have no problem with it until you bring up race race has nothing to do with that. What has something to do with? It is that unlike shack unlike a up there is a direct correlation in the direct the relationship between Rich Paul and LeBron James because people believe LeBron James is clutch sports. They don't believe Rich Paul is quote, unquote, representing LeBron they live they believe LeBron James is clutch sports, which means that somehow some way he's benefiting from the clientele that they ultimately acute. And because of that is why the scrutiny is coming. I don't think Rich Paul deserves it. He's just doing his job. I don't think that LeBron James enrich Paul should be. Scrutinize for going to season where 'cause it's perfectly within their right to do it. But you have to anticipate that the screw in the is going to come in that race has nothing to do with it in this case. As is often the case on this show. I have prepared statements to make about this tell you how I feel, but you said something interesting that I want to respond to I want to do that. I sure you're right about claims of racism. It is important not to dilute them with with claims where they were there. It's not merited because dilutes legitimate claims which actually exists and and FOX the picture, correct? So if that's the way you feel about it. And you don't think race plays a part? I think it's important that you say that. I hadn't thought about it along those lines. This is how I think about it. Is LeBron James not allowed to develop a relationship with a peer in the near future with a colleague in the near future. When people say recruiting Zion to what his agency proves. It's not to the team Ziya will play where he is drafted lebrons with that. That's one too. If you think the Braun is clutch, and therefore there's a conflict of interest, and they are tampering at times with things. This is what I have to say to teams around the league will make that claim. It were shut up or shut up. Just like I'm sitting here saying if the Lakers are being tampered with you hear rumors around the league eight don't send them to the Lakers. But but the league could easily say prove it. You know, what we're just this? We don't prove that. We don't think they're offering was good enough. Oh, you can't. Right. So shut up. Now, the shoe's on the other foot. You can't have it both ways. If you can't prove that is a conflict of interest. If they're not breaking any rules. You just assume behind the scenes Rich, Paul LeBron James. And how would we ever prove that? That's right. You can't shut up next. Look the reality is it happens with every star player. Michael Jordan, his agent was able to track other players because of his fame. Magic Johnson is going to be able to get meetings with players star players. Ben Simmons looking to reach out to meet with Magic Johnson. Because he's Magic Johnson. The brand James has that affect as far as Rich Paul? You gotta take your hats off to the Broncos as much as it's a plus it's it can be looked at as a minus. Normally when players hire their friends or their family. It doesn't work out in this situation. Rich, Paul mave Carter. These guys are all competent to do their job. It is it is a storm. It's a mess. But it's actually working out and the Brian James. He's a sports fan. You'll see them at Ohio State game Cowboys gays, full, right? He went and watched Steph curry when Steph was killing it at tournament. This man is a fan of sports. I mean, I don't get it. This is just part of the territory. Well, I'll say this. I get it. I don't I agree with you. And I agree with max in terms of how people should feel, but I do get it. And the reason why I say you get it because whether it's from competitive agents, whether it's from team executives who likes her age, it's more than they do others, or whatever it's very very predictable. What's transpiring, and what LeBron James and Rich Paul have every right to highlight is people try to diminish his boys at every turn. Maverick Carter is a brilliant, brother. Rich, Paul is done a brilliant job in building his brand. Would collect what's. And what have you Randy man's, and what he's been able to do as LeBron's trusted friend, Adam medicine, working LeBron James LeBron James is a savant. And brilliant beyond measure, not just as a basketball player. But as a businessman and deserves our respect, but what comes along with that is that when you have a connection as a player to in agency where you're believed to be that agency. Then people start talking about the unfair advantage that that provides you how it pretty much squashes the competition, and they're going to come for you. So if you're gonna make an argument to ward that off just don't bring up race because you're implying that it's happening the Rich Paul because he's black. When in fact, there's a plethora black agent, it doesn't happen to who an opposition to rich ball who feels the same way that white aged feel about Rich Paul you gotta deal with all of that. And that's just what the situation is. That's the real of it. And nobody complains about Michael, Jordan. Michael Jordan is a owner of an NBA basketball team. He also has the first right to take a look at high school athletes. He has a high school all star game. Not only have oppose it. Have complained about my complain about. But it's not the same. They just take a plane. That's all I'm trying to say they complain too. But it's part of the territory Michael building in pyre. So why complain about what he's built just going through? It you k- you complain about the Olympic team and my point about coach. Well, it's an unfair thing recruiting for Duke. My point is if coach K is the best coach, you know, what I have to stay to all the don't get the coach limpet team tough. Right. He's the reason people wanna play advantage that success. Make sure what the audience recognize it. What you just brought up. That's different to me. Coach K to me. There are plenty of coaches in college basketball who could have won a gold medal with the dream team caliber athletes that coach K had available to him in twenty eight twenty twelve twenty sixteen my problem with coach K was not that he coached it is that he coached it all three times because you cannot tell me that from a recruiting perspective that USA basketball by naming coach K to coach doesn't give him a wider. This program. I get that point. What I'm saying is this if I'm USA basketball. I don't care if I think we can also win with this coacher that coacher this player that player when we started degrading the team little by little over time in the world started beating us, then we got back to let's get our very best. I'm saying this. I don't care if it's fair to the lesser coaches. If it is if the consideration is coach K's the best he gives us our best chance to win than the fact that also helps them recruit is tough luck. Thank you everybody in that. That should not have been by the can't do those our respect they demand. Coach K. They want to take on what's coach K client wants coach. And by the way. Do you think John Williamson like it when LeBron shows up to their games? Yes. More than what other show up to their games. Yes. Because LeBron is better than the others. They like it. That's that is that is part of the compounding advantages of success. I don't see what the complaint in this case complaint in this case, I totally agree with you. I don't see what the case is. But generically speaking the fact is that we live in America, and then a world of sports more. So than anything else. We try to entertain the notion of the closest thing to America Crecy. And when something is so flagrantly imbalanced in certain ways when they keeping people are going to complain. That's just a given. All I'm saying, it's not the it's not fair. It's not fair absolutely anticipated. Shrug it off showed us like you said for the most while you coach K, and they live. Dream team. But everything else, I'm totally with both of you. But let's not act like it's a surprise. And let's not bring up race where it isn't warranted to save it for when it is. Don't you? What you're saying is don't play the race cry. Identify racism. Correct. All right. We ready to transition. I wanna talk to them VP. How do you feel about it? I've heard Paul George. I've heard Janas I've heard James harden who would you get your vote right now? Make your case for me. Paul George Paul George to me if I had to I'm not saying it's going to happen because you still got twenty seven games. And I think it's close enough. But if I had to vote right now, Paul George and the way that he has looked on both sides of the ball or both into the floor the way Oklahoma City has looked as a result. Paul George to me is the league MVP right now. He looks that sensation. Champing at the. The answer is unambiguously the Greek freak. Yonathan cocoa. His team has basically wire to wire had the best record in the NBA all season name, another great by like Middleton, a whole lot. He's a real good player a bubble. All star kind of level player named another superstar. He's playing with and yet wire to wire in the much improved east there. I couldn't hold a realized we're going to give it to the Greek freak this man is either going to get doubled. And he's gonna find the open man because he's one of the best passers in the league, and he's seven feet tall and put it on the floor and make decisions with the ball. But if they don't stop he's going to Yemen on you one hundred percent of the time. There is nothing you can do and for the committee plays defense too. By the way, for the complaints that well, he doesn't shoot. That's right. You know, what that means? He doesn't shoot it means. He's only the best player in the game today. Marc if he shot he'd be the best player who ever lived. I mean, what do you want? Them in to do for one. That's a big if. For one. He doesn't close games for two. He's in the Eastern Conference in three. I don't know how either you don't look at James for two reasons. History and adversity the one thing that James harden has done he's creating history. He broke wilt chamberlain's record for eight not this is not a big, man. This isn't a guy who plays crash ball. He's shooting a step back three point shot. Which is arguably the toughest shot in basketball. We've never seen it when I say bursary when I say versity, Stephen who wanted team has been helping Chris Paul has been out air going. Tell us. I'll be most valuable player my response to that. James harden is on my list. I said it was a close race. He's been absolutely sensational. And I guess for me what I'm thinking about him is that I have been I think he's being run into the ground by by by my dantonio, very very concerned about and I'm not confident he'll be able to sustain this level of success. I'm not taking anything accredit way from him on the offensive end of the flow. But we know what he doesn't do defensively. Paul George doesn't on both ends of the floor. We got some news, by the way. What did I tell you? Del Dem's won't just tweet Adele, Dempster orlands. Capella just got let go general partner that way that it should've partway for that point. Agent won't arouse king. Adrian, washing arouse ski just just report just tweeted that they part ways I told you what by the way. Well, no, you said you said that if he treated AD they were going to get rid of them get real he doesn't trade AD. So now, they get they don't get maybe the best way to. I'd say it was trouble. Anyway, the chance that it's gospel. Hey, it's a mess over there. They should trade. And you know, the reality is that I don't think they get a better offer than the Lakers. I don't think the Celtics are going do it. That's right because it's a one year rental. Hey, say going over, and they still don't send them to someplace other than that. Like on a one year rental. They're gonna get a lesser deal. Good job. How can somebody this choice fire? Fire. What a weekend. Tune into the celebrity game money tonight. Message and data rates may apply. Wonder to become okay for men to be Lazier softer fatter. 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Go to the app store or Google play and download the app and at the promo code jabs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order. For all the latest headlines information during the sportscenter on ESPN radio. Sorry, I was enjoying Kenny all throughout the day. Just going to say stand. You know, who that is? You know, who that is that is playing in the background. I listened to guts can. Thanks for all your help, Stu gods. Kenny, it's always great to have your round. He is part of our Super Bowl coverage every day here. We just hit him with a barrage of questions he plays. The sax. I I want to hear though about your interactions with Bill Clinton because doesn't he claim that he's as good at the sax as you are. He does not claim that. But we did play together a couple of occasions, and I would say that he was a competent maybe sophomore in college sax player. That's where I would be is. He better does he have a more expensive or nicer sacks than you. Because I've heard that he's made that claim as well, not at all. I mean, he probably is more attached to his horn than I am to his horn. That's a good way of putting it. Can you guys still friends you and Bill? Well, I mean, I don't talk to them on a regular basis, but whenever I run into him. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty cool. I played at the White House. I spent I actually spent the night in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House. How about that? Tell us this story. Tell us about that night. What happened? Well, we he asked me to come and play at one of the state dinners, which is awesome. So me, and my high school friend who plays piano in my my band. Robert damper, the two of us go to the White House. We entertain the president and his select group of people that he decided we're going to be in this small room and at the end of the night after I perform I'm went up to the Lincoln bedroom change in the something a little more comfortable, and then he gives a like a backstage tour of the White House to whoever decides is part of the backstage tour and that lasts a few hours Lincoln Kennedy has a room of the White House. Kenny G with us on ESPN radio. You've told us before about. Oughta appearances that you've made for people who just ask you to play in their hotel room for an enormous amount of money. Have you has that happened recently? No, not not that intimate recently. It hasn't been. I mean, I'll do pretty much what it takes. So you know, if the guy wants to write the check it can happen. Okay. Very good. Just so that you know that Kenny G is for sale give us give us the golfing celebrity because you're going to be at the Honda Classic PGA event. Here this month, give us the golfing celebrity that you've played with most likely to cheat. Oh, gosh. I would never I can't say that. That's not nice. I can't have played I played with a couple of guys that have blatantly cheated. And I pointed that out to them during the round any come on Kenny we've been having you on every day for a long time. We love having you on. And you've you've been the best in every way but about. About this by the end of the segment. Can we take a couple of guesses and if we're right? You will tell us can we at least just make that deal. Supporting the question. Nope. You you want to hear something interesting today? Someone text me when my friends and says, I was in the crossword puzzle in LA, and it said what saxophone player was has been nominated for seventeen Grammy's. And it was me. But what what they should have said was what saxophone player has been nominated for seventeen Grammy's and lost sixteen. That was a nice pivot. Self-deprecating still hasn't answered the question is for strategy. You. Why don't you get to the part of the week that we always get to with Kenny G where we try and go through his phone and see if we can get his famous friends on it's Wednesday. Kenny, Ed, so and we have two more appearances with you this week. So I'm thinking I thought Bill Clinton was going to be the guy was going to ask for. But I'm wondering the most famous guy because you've gotten Richard Marx on for us. You got Ray Romano last year. I'm wondering most famous name in your phone, and how are we going to get them on or her by Friday? This is a tough one. Let's see I've got Pierce Brosnan. He's in my phone. Yes. Yes. Yes. To talk to him. Let's hear what else we I know. But I guess that's yes. I wanna talk to Pierce Brosnan. Okay. Let's see. I've got Andy Garcia in their house. He. Yeah. My mother's favorite actor because he's Cuban we still want. Listen, I've been I've been emailing George Lopez lately because we're setting up for the Honda Classic. He I know he's one of your favorites. No. Thanks. Okay. Who else we're still appears Pierce trying to think who else? I got Michael Douglas. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Great guy. That guy is a great guy. Kenny come on. Let's go. Let's I I mean. I'll send out some tweets and some. And the messages and see if anybody's interested, isn't that? We'll see if we can set something out the numbers, I'm happy to do it for your don't do that. If I do that don't do that do not do that Kenny we will talk to you tomorrow. Thank you as always real quick before we get you out of here. A single most important. Patriots. They just need me. All right. We'll talk to you tomorrow. You are the best. Thank you, sir. Here's michael. All right stand. Let's go is the investigation underway. Billy, do you. Have any information for us on did Sean Payton at the eleven AM press conference where Roger Goodell clown shirt under his actual shirt? This is a barstool sports situation. They sell these t shirts of Goodell with a clown nose. And it really appears the Sean Payton was wearing that shirt. What are you hearing on Super Bowl radio row about this controversy in the middle of Super Bowl radio row week? Oh, man. Dan, people will not stop talking about it at this table right now them watching to Sean watch and do the bean Bouza challenger heats jelly beans and one of them is good tasting run of bad taste just had a bad one Super Bowl. I wanna know more. What's bad one tastes like? And you just go ask him. Do you mind going to ask him and finding out what the bad one tastes like? Well, he seems to be doing some sort of commercial. There's a bunch of cameras around him. And I think he's here on behalf of Gatorade. Because wearing a Gatorade sweatshirt, and he's downing these being booze jelly beans with Gatorade. So it seems like this a lot of product placement going on here. Okay. That's great. That's great that they're going to go ahead and try and kill the quarterback for the Texans with sugar and electrolyte turning the camera around. All right there. He goes. All right. Excellent work by you, Billy, always being bozo. Thank you for repeating that, my these stugatz podcast. Where are we on the Goshi aviation's? I heard the gentle gentle laughter of standing Gundy in the background there. Nobody loves Billy more than men Gundy. Where are we on the negotiations with stugatz on having a podcast with his name on it got negotiation done is everything signed because we're supposed to have this announcement. Next segment. I haven't signed anything. Oppose another zero Stu guts another zero. I should hire. You to be my agent offer to deal is it really final offer the offer that I have such thing as a final off. And you want to handle this for me that you should. You know what you can? In addition to being talent. You can also be the executive vice president of basketball operations of this podcast on. Okay. Very good. By the way. He does not understand that the zeros he's asking for we've been putting them on the front end of everything that we're doing. Technology truth brought to you by cold. Truth. You will certainly an any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh and sent wait. No, no, no. So easy to switch them. Save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more tarred. If you watch the interview last night that he did without Trautwein uh believe it was a fossil, by the way. Anyway, if you wanted to take out Al try in traffic, please seriously, polished, Al Trautwein, I got shoes without Trautwein that go way way back way back. Way back go on. I just like the guy man, go gods. What this on the pole? When I say the name altriset wig. Do you? Imagine him wearing a wig made out of trout veasley live with our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio. I feel like we have our biggest announcement yet to make right now the paperwork is in. There is no turning back. He may indeed be jailed for fraud. He may indeed require just a lot of perks afterward. But the paperwork is signed the lawyers have made it official stugatz is part of the podcast team has his own podcast. And it sounds amazing. I can't I've heard some of what's happening back there. But there was a huge celebration in the other room because the deal has been closed the VP of basketball operations, really sealed it feel it. Look at how happy STAN is. Yes. Yeah. So Mike, what do you need to tell the people about can I name it? Can I give it its name? We can announce the name. All right. Here's the name. Tell us. What you think of the name, STAN Van Gundy, Stu potty? That's outstanding. Get it waits. Then I'm gonna. I'm going to send you a picture of the ark for stupidities. So that you can see how wonderful it is. We will we will all react in real time. When he gets it because he's going to laugh as soon as I send it to Mike ones this thing debut. I mean supposed to debut tomorrow. I got a lot of work. Tomorrow home tomorrow, Stu guts realized when they when you sign the deal you were going to have to work. Yes, unfortunately, yes, I have to work. But don't worry. Stan how you do a lot of the heavy lifting. Have plenty of people that he's going to have the word. Stan I just texted. You got it. You wanna go ahead and his classic. You wanna go ahead and describe to the people what it is. That's on your phone right now. Well, we have the name at the bottom stew potty. And we have stugatz sitting on a toilet thinking or reading something in that part. I can't tell but. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I want a framed copy of this. I'm dead serious. I'm putting it on wall here in front of me from where I do this broadcast every week you extra zero's that too. Unless you think this is CJ JR. God's professionalism. Because he is approached this new podcast the way that you would think sue God's approach everything professionally which is we're launching tomorrow and close to finish. I had no idea about this tomorrow thing. Yeah. This is the way that we do it around here. God's too busy making jokes for example, highly questionable. Just ask me. If we wanted John is ner on highly questionable and Stu gods. Just drive by just walked by Dan, you should interview him for five days. Not let the interview n I assure you that when you end it. He's dead my Searle, and it never ends as it. My please tell me someone Ashtron Peyton at his press conference. If indeed he was wearing a Roger Goodell clown no-shirt under his dress shirt because Sean Payton said, and I know everyone's tired of talking about this call the blown call stand. But Sean Payton said he spent the last three days just watching Netflix and eating ice cream. Like, he he is. He's he's comforting himself the way people do during a break-up. Well, no question. I mean, look, it's traumatic. I mean, it really is for a coach that's traumatic to be that close to the Super Bowl and lose it. Anyway, is going to be traumatic. But to lose it like that. Yeah. That's gonna stick with him a long time. But STAN I mean, we're two weeks removed. He's still complaining he's wearing what what on what do you? Say that Sam because students has been telling him to move on and get over it for two weeks. And I don't think if it happened is to go he would be moving on and getting over hold on stand before you answer that. Okay. I understand that it hurts it certainly hurts the moment, and it will probably stay with them for the remainder of his life. As you just pointed out, I'm just saying he's acting like he's the only coach the only team the only organization who's ever been on the wrong side of a bad. Call like move on. That's all sites two weeks. Now move on. Well, he'll move on. And he'll move on. When it's time to start getting ready for the draft and their off season workouts and all of that. But right now all he's seeing is Rams patriots SuperBowl stuff in thinking. He should be there. It'll be a little easier. Maybe after the season ends. But right now, it's very very painful. I think he knows he's not the first or the last coach that any of that will happen to. But it doesn't make it hurt any less, Dan. Do you think that the? Evidence that we have so far, which is flimsy. But it seems like a little bit of proof. Have you seen the photos of Sean Payton doing something with his wardrobe that he didn't do in that press conference, which is make a clown out of Roger Goodell with a t shirt that may be hidden under his dress shirt of? Roger Goodell wearing clown knows. Do you think that he did that that he wore that to the press conference? I don't know that's inconclusive. To me. I've seen the shirt, and I've seen the pictures of Sean Payton at that press conference. But I don't know if he actually wore that always taking the side of the coach man, you can't you cannot move him off the position now while it appears to be this. You don't see the whole thing. There's pretty strong visual evidence for us think that he's wearing that shirt. However, there is precedent. Matt Patricia when he was an assistant with New England came off the airplane after they had won the Super Bowl. And he wasn't wearing a quarter inch zipper sweatshirt over it. He was. Just flat out wearing the t shirt with Goodell with clown nose on bayton that picture. Yeah. It's. Yeah. That one was crazy. I saw that picture in the first thing. I thought of man David Stern was your Commissioner you'd never work in that lead. Again. Gods was saying as is the case with stugatz often he's been complaining during the break saying, hey, Peyton do it without the cover. Don't leave us guessing, man. I if you're gonna wear the t shirt where the t shirt where loud and where round man and call Roger Goodell clown. I mean, if you're gonna wear where narrow guessing whether or not he wearing it or not. I mean, I don't know where the shirt I'm with you on that. If you're gonna wear it where it now, I wouldn't do that. I mean, but if you're going to do it do it like this idea of wuzzy or wasn't he I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish with that? All right. Well, let me ask you a different question. If we were to send you a shirt of David Stern with a clown nose. Would you wear it on ESPN who's for us? Oh on your show. Yes. Yeah. I would probably do that. I'm not sure I'd have to think about it. But yeah, I probably would. I'm not worried. I certainly wouldn't be worried about offending David Stern. I mean, who's one of the most thin skinned people that I've ever been around. Okay. Very good on you anymore. That is correct. We will send you that. Teach. Probably will somehow we'll take it out of my pinch in or something. I don't know. Happy sixty eighth birthday to fill Colin. Happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. Torrey. Smith nex donlevatar d-. Are you not alarmed by how much to God's eight less to God's. I had no idea. He ate a lot. He was pretty gross when I left I had no idea that he went on this like grazing. Here's the weird thing about Stu gods too though wants to eat here. He never finishes anything. I know because I'm always cleaning it up. After one wing. No someone wants it. I mean, eat the wing. I thought ROY always ate leftover wing. Roy always throws it away a slow these libertas show with stugatz on ESPN radio. Billy, you look terribly nervous out there. What's going on with you? You seem stress. What's been happening? You're looking over your shoulder a lot what's happening out? There may not I'm cool cucumber, Dan. And my element down here. Okay. So we were at my friend, Tori Smith just sat down next you? This will be the most awkward experience of Torrey Smith Super Bowl. We love talking to this guy. Because for example, I'm reading from straight from an article here, and he's going to laugh at this not the first part but the second part because fatherhood. I'm reading has taught Tori Smith how to express his emotion. There's a stigma within parts of the black community that real men don't cry or show vulnerability asking for help is a sign of weakening a weakness. The resulting, hyper masculinity step stems from black men's internalisation of their status in society, and at home, and it can eventually lead to mental health issues, including depression, and so towards myth and said that he had to learn to soften up a bit that it was weird even tell his baby. I love you. Because I love you is not something you heard growing up. So this is all vulnerable and honest as Torrey Smith, always is. But then he beats the holy hell out of his son in Madden by one hundred points. These things together. And then he puts it on social media. Bear is a son tough to get up. What? What? Talking about love comes before tough. Fail early from his mistakes. And he almost beat me yesterday. Vetted as possible. I'm but all I wanna talk to you about is parenting advice, and how it is that you humble this young, man. And then made the world look at it. Is I think more people need it. You know, we live in a participation trophy society right now. And a lot of kids that cry over everything, and you got to earn things everything is going to be given to you. So my son is going to know what it's like to fail and he hates losing, by the way. I almost let a win yesterday. Like part of me was I mean, you had to go to win anything. So part of me was kind of like, you know, what here? He goes. Good time. He's been doing great. And then he was like, yeah. Yeah. Who who's up now Ohno? Oh, no. But. I was like what you learn. He was like nothing. He works on. I mean, that's the real life. The real world is you know, he's gonna feel he's gonna lose. He's not going to be the best all the time and PS early days hundred twenty doesn't mean you're going to succeed to Tori one hundred. And he did he cry beat I one hundred points. No, he didn't cry. Sometimes it rains a little heart another days. So you got into. How old is he? Four. Even grown up. Great. So did what you're trying to get a hundred. Did you talk trim? Your four year old when you're up. Let me tell you something like, you know, he's four years of he does a lot of boneheaded things in the game outside the teacher night. Man. You gotta stop twos in the cornerback. Because when you move the corner out the way, you leave a wide open, and I was trying to show him that. And then like I catch the ball and run out of bounds. Let attack or something. All right. He just doesn't wanna listen. Now, we've got nine win. About trying to scramble and he's playing with the Jaguars. And yeah, it's Blake wrote is whatever running around whatever that is. That might is going to work and he's fumbling a ball every other play just taking. How? Before we get you out of here. And you look resplendent, by the way in that in that suit. Tell us who it is your here on behalf of. I'm here have it at swordsman family fund today. Charity basketball game coming out. We do a lot of work majority of it in Baltimore really wherever playing and big basketball game coming up on March thirtieth in Baltimore, ROY arenas, though. It says a great time. There's always a great time for everyone family vives, and we tried to do in the community gather, and it's a great fund raising for our charity, which focuses on giving kids resource they need to succeed. So looking forward to that you can learn more about that at toys that or if you can't make it like, I'm sure y'all aren't going to be able to make it Miami. You can go towards that organ. Donate a ticket for kit from youth group. So you know, my goal every year is to have as many kids as possible because it's been donated and has been possible Bala the people. So it's always a great great. You didn't hear any? I love you as a kid. No. I love you as a kid. No man, you rub in enemy man to deal conversation here. It wasn't. No, we heard it. And I'm not trying to get all deeply y'all in the afternoon. But you know, when you hear it, and it's always after something terrible's happened. It tends to not mean as much when you start to learn that actions me more than words, so had no value and for me to hear I love you always at this something negative like meaning late, you know, in my life. You know, some wasn't wasn't cars rated or something bad happen. And we gotta move around or whatever it's been some type of harm trauma in some way. And that's when you heard it. So I put those two together. So therefore, it had no meaning to me because you have to show me better than you. Well, that's not happening here. Tori, I love you. Let's go. Tell them how much we. Oh, good so much like so much one more question important question more important than I love you just because we have to get to it. Go ahead. Mike. What's the single most important Fehmi to the patriots? You had to stay. The course. You know, no matter what happens if you get up on them. They have a plan. They're going to adjust. You said say, of course, you have to be physical. Get Tom Brady office spot. You're going to have to take advantage in the passing game was doing. They are playing a great job on defense love, but really taking advantage in the passing game and movie Tom Brady because if you allow him to sit still and get comfortable, it's going to be a long day for you, Tori. We do love you. Thank you for making time for us, sir. We always appreciate talking to you to Free State it. All right. I cannot tell you how much fun. I derived from the idea. This Stu got sound sicker and sicker. Every time. That question is asked and people as more often to have the question repeated than they do point out. What's the matter with him? Like STAN we've been doing this for years. Okay. The patriots are always in the Super Bowl. I want you to hear the question as we always play it here. And no one does anything other than give us not only multiple thing. Multiple things as an answer instead of answering the question, but also no one comments on the deteriorating health of Stu gods. Wildly asked the question. What's the single most important thing to do today? You would have that person. If they're guy wouldn't anybody has like is anyone this week going as hey, what happened there? What's the single most important? To the patriots. What it is. Bill you crush it. There. Everyone on staff here on the show owns a casper mattress just gave a thumbs up on radio. Dan. Do you have today? Do you have nuggets today? I do I always have nuggets, I'm always prepared. All right. His nuggets or in your face next segment done lib card, let's monitor my tone in this segment as I continue to get irritated by the unrelenting waves of stupidity that lap upon my shorts. Stugatz. Sorry. These live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. All right. We'll finish off the show today which stands nuggets. Plus, Jim gray is standing by at radio Rohe's, yuck. Ended up with Charlie. We don't know why. But he'll join us. Just a second year on the shell Pennzoil Charlie. How was Jerusalem money? Charlie has Jim gray has relationships with everyone in the business and sodas, Charlie's grandfather. Charlie works for us. I had no idea. He went to Israel. Did you? How was Jerusalem was the conversations ardor from Jim gray to Charlie? What is truly doing out there? These odds yukking it up with Jim. I don't wanna talk about Charlie. Get the camera for Charlie put on Jim grant. I wanna see that that pasty face anymore. We believe that Jim gray has had the greatest knockout in boxing in ten years. Here is what it sounded like courtesy of Showtime. What did you think about the fight at meeting? Everybody out there beating the pike. He was missing. I hit him clean. What? Your average Nate punches less than the most punches that you had in round. And it seemed as though you couldn't get it already sound like he was against me already harbored ain't gotta. Hard talking you. Let me let me let you. No. I want to thank the whole who came out here, y'all know beat that boy that boy they what they trying to do is they get that money again with our employees. But it's cool. I weren't about it. I'm still at minimal top Cincinnati. Stand up. Three three one in your last seven points. What would you do next? One my last seven, but I'll be seven no against you that wouldn't mean much. That's the end of this interview him. It was jed jab knockout jab jetty was surgical surgical facts in his face. Where does that rank in terms of best interviews, you feel like you've ever done? You got a lot of them in your pets. I don't know that. It's I'm glad I had the reaction that I did that I was able to think of that. But now, I mean, some of the Tyson interviews, we're we're we're legendary and Holyfield and Ali. So I don't wanna put Adrian broder in that class belong there. I broke my bash. Again. Let's go to Jim. Thank you for being with us. What are you promoting real quick before? Let's see then give us what you're promoting before. You get outta here. Hey, we got the game on Westwood One radio. Join us Larry FitzGerald will be pre game and halftime so tune into Westwood One seven hundred stations or on Sirius XM the NFL channel NFL dot com. That's all I'm promoting the game. It's going to be a great game. And I remember when we used to do sports reporters. Together, you've come a long way proud of you happy for you. Thank you. What's the single most important fame? Need to do to beat the patriots. The single thing that the Rams have to do I repeat it. Hold on. They have to figure out how to keep the patriots off the field. So they have to have ball control and Todd Gurley and C J Anderson and these folks have to figure out how keep them off the field because they're on the field. They're going to score. And if you get into a shootout, Tom Brady usually wins. If he has the ball last, Jim thank you, sir. You've been doing it. Well for a long time. We appreciate your time. Thanks, dan. Love the show. Thanks for having me on take care of lebatardshow, Instagram and Twitter. Let's mix these things up. We're gonna do nuggets. And polls STAN what is the theme for your nuggets your basketball nuggets this week? Do you have a theme do all star voting? All right. Let's play the cleave. And now. And now time good these top NBA nuggets only Wednesday show. The thing. Number three, STAN. We should go back to fan voting deciding the starters for the all star game. This game is for the fans and only for the fan. So if they want Dwayne Wade instead of Kimba Walker Luca Donncha instead of Paul George or Derrick rose. Instead of James harden, go with their choices. Lebatardshow on Twitter are there. People still entertaining others with spinning of plates. Fifty nine percent of the audience that yes, that was not a nugget was just simply a stand Van Gundy opinion. Let's go to the second. Best standing Gundy nuggets slash opinion. These are all Kenyans today, by the way. Why do we have to have well players from each conference if we're not even playing east versus west anymore? Let's just get the twenty four best players personally. I'd have sixteen players from the west and eight from the east. What is happening? Your pizza must have cheese or pepperoni. Seventy two percent of the audience said cheese. And the number one stand Van Gundy all-star game gas bag opinion is Adam silver this year should create a thirteenth spot on each team. Dwayne Wade and Dirk Novitsky as lifetime achievement awards. It would mean a lot to them the league the players in defense in additional one player on each team should agree to give up their starting spots. So those guys could start and play the first six minute. Wow. Why minute. Well, I don't know. I mean, that's arbitrary. But. Which Kevin Rogers sound is center. Here's the first. What else we got? Oh, my God Ray Lewis's here. Get ready Lewis in the show before my tongue falls Ray. Freaking Lewis in the house while hey, Ray got a couple of minutes. Right. Let's see whatever right Louis. Walk son living. Wow. War is it. The seconds Lincoln Kennedy. What's up, man? Yeah. I'm working. Where you go party. FHM night. All right now, see later this an important vote. Fifty. It was close fifty five percent of the audience said right Lewis, hold on a second. No, more polls. We'll get back Billy what just happened with Charlie. And Jim gray. They just gave each other finger guns. I'm pretty sure Jim Greg grabbed a handful of Charlie's. But at the left. Jim was giving Charlie life advice. They were talking about his grandfather. It was so income Jim didn't even say Hello to me or vitamin like he didn't acknowledge that was here whatsoever. I've never felt so Super Bowl week tried to wave at him. I tried to give them five nothing. Not even. Right. Charlie about all his vacation plans or Billy.
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