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Today's episode is that rare Rapid Response Tuesday, necessitated by the persistent rumors that Donald Trump is about to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Is it true? How bad are things if it is? And who is this mysterious G. Zachary Terwilliger? You'll have to listen to know for sure! We begin by examining the New York Times reporting that predicated the efforts to force out Rosenstein. Listen and you'll learn why is Andrew confident that these reports are false -- and get a rare "Randall Was Right" segment to boot! After that, we look to the statutory line of succession if Rosenstein is indeed fired, and we wind up at Noel Francisco and... Sideshow Zach? How did THAT happen? Bonus: Is Francisco a Trump hack? All signs point to... Then, we look to the statutory protections for Mueller even if Rosenstein is fired. Will the entire Russia investigation be fed into a Fargo/Deadpool 2-style woodchipper? And, if all that wasn't enough, we also have a mini-deep dive into the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, 5 U.S.C. § 3345 et seq. Does it matter if Rosenstein was fired or if he resigned? Finally, we end -- at long last! -- with Thomas Takes the Bar Exam Question #94 regarding the Forest Service's new rules. Remember to follow our Twitter feed (@Openargs) and like our Facebook Page so that you too can play along with #TTTBE! Recent Appearances Lots! Thomas will be at QED in Manchester, UK on Oct. 13 and 14. Andrew will be debating originalist (and Kavanaugh clerk!) Justin Reed Wilson in Louisville, Kentucky on September 27 at Impellizzeri's Pizza; to attend, just RSVP on this Facebook link. Show Notes & Links This is the first New York Times hit piece on Rosenstein from Friday, 9/21, and this is the follow-up suggesting he would "resign." You can, of course, read the 25th Amendment's Section 4 for yourself; you'll quickly ascertain that it is, in fact, a 'clown horn' argument. The 28 U.S.C. § 508 sets forth the statutory line of succession for the DOJ. Here's the initial Senate confirmation vote on Francisco. You can also read his "oopsie" letter to the Supreme Court below: This is the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, 5 U.S.C. § 3345 et seq. We first discussed it back in Episode 126. Finally, click here to read all about G. Zachary Terwilliger! Support us on Patreon at: patreon.com/law Follow us on Twitter: @Openargs Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/openargs/ Don't forget the OA Facebook Community! For show-related questions, check out the Opening Arguments Wiki And email us at email@example.com
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If he didn't think is nomination was in serious jeopardy and family few a candidate fighting for his seat in congress has six new opponents, his brothers and sisters. Let's go out front. Good evening. Everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Erin Burnett out front tonight. Time out. That is what the president's attorney is calling for tonight in the Russian investigation. If rod Rosenstein is out a convenient foil or something else. This as the president won't give clear questions. Quick clear answers about Rosen's dines fate, instead leaving Rosenstein twisting in the wind until they meet face to face. With rod Rosenstein on Thursday. When I get back from all of these buildings, we'll be meeting at the White House and real be germinating. What's going on. We wanna have prince ferreting. We want to have openness and on the phone for meeting with rod at that. Roseanne's job hanging in the balance. Since the bombshell report that he discussed invoking the twenty fifth amendment to remove Trump from office and raise the prospect of wearing a wire on more than one occasion according to the report to secretly record the president. And as the clock ticks down to Trump's meeting with Rosenstein, there has been a flurry of developments sources say, Rosenstein offered his resignation to White House, chief of staff, John Kelly on Friday, and here's the thing, Kelly accepted it. But then today, pure uttering confusion. It's the only way to describe it as the president seems more than happy to let the insert new over Rosenstein and his fate linger. In the meantime, though Republicans are pouncing the president's attorneys saying, if Rosenstein goes, the Russian investigation should pause. I think it's really important that there'd be a step back taken here and a review, and I think it's a review that has to be thorough and complete and review that has to include an investigation of what has transpired with all of these statements and all of these allegations going back to the Strachan page and Bruce lower, and basically a time out on this inquiry. And not just a time out on Capitol Hill. One of the president's closest allies, congressman Mark meadows. He seized on the reports about Rosenstein to further discredit the Justice department, putting this out whether or not the latest reports on rod Rosenstein are true. One thing is clear what is happening at the just at the department of Justice is a travesty. This is disastrous and it needs to end now a lot to get to tonight. Let's start with Jeff Zeleny. He's out front live at Trump Tower here, New York, Jeb, any signs what the president might do on Thursday. That is an open question. We're not sure the president is sure of what he's going to do. Exactly. We're not sure that rod Rosenstein knows what's coming to him, but he did start the day as you said he was prepared to leave his job either interesting nation or by firing, but it is not at all clear that that is what the president is going to do on Thursday. It is almost certain that it happens at some point. But the question is when somebody Republicans are urging the president not to get involved with this during the midterm elections where some five weeks away before the midterm elections. But it's unclear so much confusion here, half of the president staff. And he, of course, was here at Trump Tower watching all of this drama unfold in Washington. Of course, rod Rosenstein was at the White House, but one thing that's also clear. We've seen the president be so angry at the attorney general, but he hasn't fired him. So it's unclear if he's going to fire rod Rosenstein on Thursday, but also one thing is Thursday. This is all playing out as world leaders here in New York City are getting a front row seat to this. Function inside this administration, and that annoys the president, we're told by officials. So of course, all of this hinges on the Russia investigation, which is something he cannot get beyond what happens between now and Thursday. One thing is clear. He wants to take off some of the spotlight of the supreme court a hearing in the Senate. So that's why the meeting was scheduled on Thursday as well. But unclear what he's going to do on Thursday. We simply just don't know counter programming himself. Great to see your Jeff. Thank you so much and so much can happen between now and then or now and five minutes from now I'll front now. James trustee, he's a former chief of the organized crime section for the department of Justice. He's also a longtime friend of deputy attorney. General rod, Rosenstein. Gloria borger is here she's seen an chief political analyst and an milligrams here are a former federal prosecutor. Thank you all so much for being here. James. When we spoke last week you you called Rosenstein very fatalistic that he's the kind of guy who would ride this out after the report emerged from the New York Times, why would he be offering to resign them. Well, I think the biggest question, you know, there's a lot of uncertainty here. So let's start with that. I mean, what's clear is nothing's clear, but in in terms of rod, you know, he may be offering a resignation that has a fuse length. He may say, I am offering my resignation. I'm gonna leave at the beginning of the year. And so I'm real curious that if that's what he's doing, if he's actually offering resignation as he wedding it to the completion of the probe, or is he picking some date meaning more? I've had enough and I'm outta here and again, that's assuming he's offering a resignation as opposed to facing firing. So I think a lot of this really has to wait until Thursday to have any certainty in terms of what he's saying and how the president's gonna react to it. Some of the reporting is that there was a conversation with John Kelly about resignation. Timing was a condition and Kelly in the White House did not accept it. That was some of the reporting. So that gets to exactly what you're thinking about Gloria. Why is this also confusing in my? I mean, I've there, you're fired or you resign, or you. Have your job and let's all move on. I mean, how can there be an in-between with this? Well, have you ever heard of? I quit, you're fired. That's what that's what this seems to be a version of look, this story. This story from the New York Times on Friday in which Rosenstein is, you know, is reportedly talking about wiring himself or removing the president through the twenty fifth amendment, not as a joke coordinator. The New York Times not sarcastically was difficult for him, and he was going to be called to Capitol Hill to testify about it before Republicans. I don't think it's something that he looked forward to and are reporting and other reporting is that you know, he thought a lot over the weekend about offering his resignation, talked to various people at the White House about it, including the chief of staff, including Don Mcgann. The White House counsel who, of course was busy with the cavenaugh nomination. And, and I think today he expected when he went to the White House, he expected that he was going to be fired. Except he wasn't because the president and his supporters don't think this would be good for the president right now to do that heading into the midterm elections, and that perhaps he ought to wait on firing Rosenstein until after the midterms. And so it is chaotic, it is confusing. The president doesn't like him. He does want him gone. I think the question is when. Yeah. And what do you make of Trump's attorney saying if Rosenstein goes, the Russia probe should come to a halt should come to at least a pause or a timeout as as he talked about it, would you, would you give them a nice try or is there something to it? I don't think there's anything to it. I mean, the department of Justice, what they do is prosecute cases and this is Muller out there is a special counsel looking into what happened with the Russia with the Russia probe. There are already been countless criminal process. Convictions, guilty pleas. We have Manafort pleading guilty and cooperating just a week and a half ago. So there's nothing any like seven years does it does, but there's nothing in my view. There's increasingly more and more evidence of the importance of the probe, not less. And so this idea that you would hit pause on a criminal investigation. That's just not how criminal investigations work Muller has to work quickly to figure out what happened, but that task is still the same. What happened? Was there any wrongdoing and should people be charged and then that will conclude the probe. So this idea feels incredibly political to me and really contrary to the she talking then seems a little James. What happens on Thursday? What is the message do that Rosenstein brings to the president? Do you think? Well, you know, I think rods gonna go into it with his head held high. He's not gonna grovel for the job or grovel to be released from the job. I think he's a very historical minded person, so he's tending to think not kind of egotistical historical, but just, hey, I've got a job to do. I'm going to go have a conversation. I'm gonna lay out. My concerns why I might wanna leave if that's what it is, but he's going to be dignified on both ends. He's going to walk out the same guy when he leaves and he'll have a bright future in some other round, maybe not public service anymore. He may have had his fill of that after all these years. But I think you'll probably conduct themselves very calmly and rashly and not any kind of hysterics or emotion out or even an undue emphasis of himself. He's going to talk about the job of deputy attorney general and the job of supervising the Muller, probe, glory you, you hit on this just a bit. The politics surrounding Rosenstein had changed since this all came out on Friday at first Trump's allies were saying fire Rosenstein immediately, and now his allies like FOX's Sean Hannity or saying, do not fire anybody. It is a trap, right? What is going on behind the scenes there? Well, there's some theory of the game that that perhaps this is a setup by liberals to get the. Of position where he fires Rosenstein, and and then Democrats go after him for trying to blow up the Muller probe or in fact see this as an act of obstruction and they believe that the president should not walk into that trap. I think I don't know. I don't know what the motivation of this was. You know, I think they have a good political theory here, which is that this is not the best time to fire rod Rosenstein. The question is whether Rosenstein says, I've got to go, I doubt he would do that. I think he was ready to resign, but if the president he agree on, okay, you leave in January as Jim was saying or you, you know, you leave on November tenth. Maybe they'll agree to that. I mean, Rosenstein not only overseas Bob Muller, but he he is the deputy attorney general, and and as deputy attorney general, you do a lot of stuff. And I think sessions. Depends on him and a lot of ways does the president wanted to look by the way that he's completely cleaning house at his Justice department on on November. Tenth, that's another thing to keep in mind to firing your attorney general firing your deputy attorney general all at once yet. Maybe not a great idea, but this gets to in kind of in the flurry of responses today, especially there's been one common three theme amongst Democrats that we've heard from is that the everyone talking about Saturday night massacre just listen to the right. This is the next step in a slow slowly, evolving, slow motion, Saturday night massacre this looks to me like a slow moving Saturday night massacre. I mean, we do hear the term. We hear the term all the time when it comes to the threats, the maybes of this and that and that, but but you think this is I don't know an overreaction, or do you think they're right to be concerned about another Saturday massacre? I mean, it does heal to me like Rosenstein is on his way. He's on his way out and whether it's tomorrow or next week or it's at the end of the year. And I think the question is what happens to the Muller probe, right? And and we don't have an answer to that yet. I don't think it will be positive. I think the the best that people can hope for right now is that it's equal, but it's more likely that it's going to be bad that they're going to the Trump will put someone in who will try to control the investigation. And this does lead to all sorts of questions about, are they trying to obstruct the investigation? Are they trying to politics to basically some for the rule law? And so you know, I don't think. We're there to have that. I wouldn't put it in those terms, but I do think that this does raise serious jeopardy for the investigation for the truth coming out to the American people. But one of those a lot. And I wondered again tonight, Bob Muller sees all of his playing out and he thinks what we don't know. That's the thing because he doesn't. He's the only one in Washington who wasn't talking just you guys. Thank you so much upfront pros. Next top Republican says, reports about Rosenstein show. There's a bureaucratic coup happening under Donald Trump is just there. Noah plus break having on the attack tonight, going public with his wife at aside a sign of determination or desperation, and no Francisco get used to hearing that name. He may end up overseeing the molar pro. Are you drowning in credit card debt? Now you can have a large portion of your credit card debt forgiven. Get relief today wants to give you free information that shows you how it's a secret. Credit card companies. Don't want you to know about thousands of people have used this program to have millions of dollars in credit card, debt medical bills and department store debt. Wiped clean, get relief today. 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Out front now, former Justice department official Francie Hake and former head of FBI's office of congressional affairs under James Comey, Greg brower great to see you both Francey. Is there something going on here or is this paranoia. Well, Kate, I don't think it's paranoia. I think there is something going on here. I think it started under President Obama with high level officials who either believed or wanted to believe that President Trump was colluding with Russia to throw the election, and so they began investigating and even a week before President Trump's inaugural there was talk about preventing him from being inaugurated or that he would have to resign and talk about what would happen with Mike Pence taking over. So I think there is some evidence of some kind of action by those the very top of the bureaucracy, Greg, what do you think. Yeah, I don't see any evidence of that at all. I think what we see here quite simply is with respect to both the political leadership of the department of Justice and the career men and women at the department, including the FBI. We see a few things. We see a steadfast commitment to defending the inst- the the institution, the independence of the institution of DOJ in the FBI we've see a steadfast determination to uphold the rule of law. We see a commitment to not allowing the special counsel's investigation to be undermined for political reasons, and we commitment to national security. That's it. The same exact things that any American would expect from DOJ FBI I think we see playing out here despite what conspiracy theorists out there may wanna come up with. Is it a conspiracy theory that your figure open to hear? No, Kate. I'm not a tin foil hat wear. I'm instead someone who worked inside the department of Justice for a decade. And I'm well aware of the attitude of the career bureaucrats who are partisan someone, both sides, but those who say things like, well, let's just wait out the presidential appointees. We don't have to implement this policy because they'll be gone soon. I mean, these are high level bureaucrats who run, for example, the department of Justice between administrations and it isn't a conspiracy and it isn't upholding the law to lie to the foreign intelligence surveillance court. And I think we have evidence here that those lies have taken place, and so I understand what Greg is saying, but a desired uphold, the law is not shown lying to the Pfizer court. Go ahead, Greg, let me let me be clear. There is no evidence that anybody lied to the flies accord. The department of. Justice, inspector general is reviewing that process now. But today there's no such evidence. This gets to a warrant application to surveilled Carter page who is advisor to the Trump campaign continue, please. That's right. That's right. Wing talking point. There is no such evidence, but moreover, we have to, we have to remember because this it's a loss. And in this argument, often those who are leading DOJ and the FBI right now and with whom the buck stops on all of these issues are Trump appointees, Jeff Sessions, rod, Rosenstein, and Chris Wray all Trump appointees. And that goes for every single other senior leader at the department of Justice. They had an Nash of the national security division, the head of the criminal division that has civil division. Every single senior leader in DOJ is a Trump appointee. So it's just nonsense to suggest that somehow the will of those appointees, it's being subur- subverted by some conspiratorial career people who are out to get this president. That's just nonsense. There's no evidence of that, but I think he has a point. I mean, we're, we're, we're well beyond just the beginning of this administration. And these are people that the president put in place. Well, what Greg obviously doesn't remember is that you've got an entire level about three levels down from the attorney general who are put in our career employees and they are career employee's throughout goal, jury ministration overseas that stops them observes though they can't. They can't be fired. They can't be fired except for misconduct because they're protected federal employees. I am not saying there's some massive government wide conspiracy to take down the president. You're misunderstand, Greg. That's not what I said. What I'm saying is I think there are a few high level people inside the department of Justice and at the FBI and the CIA who took it upon themselves to engage in conduct that looks unlawful, Greg, just let me be clear. Let me be a clip out this all of the final decisions about everything that happens within the department of Justice on investigations and with respect to ongoing criminal cases. All of those decisions are made by Trump appointees. Again, the buck stops with them the career people, even as Suming this idea that there are career people who have some ferries intent. Those people can't do anything without the ultimate decision making being approved by Trump appointees. And frankly, Jeff Sessions, rod Rosenstein, Chris Wray and others would be offended. And frankly, we think it's laughable to think that somehow there will their decision making their powers somehow being undermined by others who were subordinate to them that simple. It's simply doesn't work that way just cut through the strait of pick Francine. Would it be a mistake if the president fired rod Rosenstein at this point. Well, let me just, I say that the Jeff Sessions and rod Rosenstein when it comes to things like signing a warrants, have to take the word of the career level people that the facts are as they've been described. Now, as far as would it be a mistake to fire him? I think politically it might be a mistake, but I have to say if I'm the CEO of a company or the president United States, and someone working for me has been subverting. My will has claimed I'm unfit and is trying to get cabinet members to sign off on a twenty fifth amendment scenario where the president's removed from office, I'd fire him you. So do you believe rod Rosenstein denials did essentially you're skeptical? No, I don't know. I don't know what the truth is there. I'm simply saying that if if what they're saying is truth, what the media's reporting, if rod Rosenstein engage in that kind of conduct where he's trying to get a ball of cabinet level officials to sign off on the twenty fifth amendment, the president would be right to fire him Francey the really. Your time. Thank you so much, Greg. Thanks so much. Really appreciate it out front, frozen acts. If Rosenstein goes, who oversees the rush investigation new details tonight. And we have some breaking news an unprecedented moment supreme court. Nominee. Brett Kavanagh goes on national television with his wife sitting by his side before he's his confirmation has been considered by the Senate, will the PR push work. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates or when we get to explain where we've been in, what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Breaking news the prim court nominee Brett Cavanaugh speaking out for the first time, defending himself publicly against allegations of sexual assault and inappropriate sexual behavior moments ago, denying to Fox News, Christine Blasi Ford's allegation that he assaulted her when they were in high school. Listen. Truth is I've never sexually assaulted anyone in high school or otherwise. I am not questioning and have not question that perhaps Dr Ford at some point in her life sexually assaulted by someone in some place for what I know as I've never sexually assaulted anyone out front tonight. Karen Tumblety, Washington Post columnist. Patrick Healey politics editor for the New York Times, Joan wolf national affairs correspondent for the nation and Scott Jennings former senior adviser to Senator Mitch McConnell. All right, Patrick before we go into this, I think it is important to say just the fact that Cavanaugh and his wife sitting together side by side in television interview. At this point, it's extraordinarily bright. We don't see this kind of offense usually from a supreme court. Nominee might see it from, you know, a cabinet secretary. You know, someone who's nominations going up to the hill trouble, but not from judge. And what was striking about this interview is that clearly he is going through a series of talking points. He hit the same few phrases over and over again about wanting to have a fair process, fair hearing. We are fair in America, you know, again, sort of like pushing a message over and over again. But the reality is, is that on Thursday, if he is on the hot seat, answering questions from, you know, United States senators about a lifetime appointment at the bench. These kind of clips sound bites in which there's no real reflection, a reckoning of the kind of person that he that he was in high school or in college or later it just it's hard to see how that's going to be convincing, especially if he's up against, you know, a witness who many people may find very, very sympathetic or at least is telling a very personal story. It's so hard in these situations when you're telling very personal story, one candidate, one, one witness, and then the other is sort of stick. To these very scripted talking points feel very discordant. Karen won vis even be happening though if cavenaugh didn't think is confirmation was in serious trouble. Oh, absolutely. This is extraordinarily. It's unprecedented and I think it reflects the fact that everyone recognizes that he is in he's got, he's got a very narrow lane here. He cannot afford to lose two Republican votes. And so I think he is speaking to the conservative base. He's doing this on Fox News and you know, I think he, he probably helped himself tonight. He, he choked up a couple of times he he came across, I think as as pretty straightforward on this and he smartly avoided attacking her puss inally he really stuck with her story on a play a bit more from cavenaugh Joan for all. All of us. Here's what Cavanaugh says a little bit more about about that party. Listen. I was never at any such party. The other people who are alleged to be present of said, they do not remember any such party a woman who was present. Another woman who was present, who is Dr. Ford's lifelong friend has said she doesn't know me and never remembers being at a party with me at any time in her life. I'm sitting here listening to that, and I was thinking this is exactly what we were going to here on Thursday when he when he testifies before the committee. Why not wait by, don't I honestly don't know Kate, I'm going to say, look, I expected this to be a bunch of softball questions. I thought he was going to the house organ of the Trump administration, and he would be treated with kid gloves that did not happen. I rarely if ever disagree with Karen penalty, my friend, but I think this was a disaster actually. I think that you know, as Patrick says, the repetition of fair process, fair process, respecting the dignity and honour of women. He and also I hate to say this, but this is the turf that we're on. He went into a long soliloquy about all I did in high school was study and play basketball and make friends with boys and girls. Well, I'm sorry if you go to his yearbook, what's written under his picture himself. About one hundred keg party and the Ralph party and the bowling alley assault and the Rehoboth beach fan police fan club. He opened up territory now for, I think democratic senators to actually ask questions about that because he's painted a picture of himself that, oh, I had a few beers, but it's not from that. That is in variance with what is already on the record. Also his own speeches over the years, talking about glad everything stayed at Georgetown prep, and you know having various points where he over consumed. I think this was a disaster. I think he's gone. Wow, Scott that in mind, do you think this is the right move. Yes. I've been saying since this weekend, they should put bread Cavanaugh on television and the reason he had to do it. Let's be clear about this because it was sat on by two months for two months by Dianne Feinstein. They chose not to bring this up during his confirmation hearings. They could have done that, but they didn't. So they waited for the hearings to end forcing us into this situation. It's a great area between. I wanna I wanna get your take on on this. Why do you think it was a good idea to have them on? I'm surprised you said says the we used to be tell me why this is. So extraordinary number nominee would be on TV before he's been voted in. Yeah. I mean, look, there's no third party that puts Brett cavenaugh in any of the locations where the allegations are said to have taken place and there's no credible third party that can say, for sure he was there or did anything that's like being. So the only people here that can speak about this credibly are the accuser and the accused in break Cavanaugh as the accused is the most credible spokesperson. For his case. He went on TV tonight and made an unequivocal cr- cr- credible statement that he did not do this. He is the best spokesperson for his side of this. He needed to get it out there. I think the narrative frankly has been controlled by the Democrats for the last week since the Democrats choreographed and and dropped all this out after his confirmation hearings. I'm glad he was out there defending himself tonight because he's the best person to look into a television camera and tell the American people. This did not happen, and he did that tonight. And I think the objective was gpd I regard I, I would just say, I think there's definitely choreography on both sides. If we want to be, if we want to be. Really honest here guys can't stick with me. I'm guys are gonna come back. We've got much more sound than more of this interview is coming in. I'm gonna bring this June. Everyone's going to stick around. Out out front for us. Next all eyes on Kavanagh's wife, Ashley, which she is now saying about the allegations against her husband and solicitor general knoll Francisco Rosenstein is out. You could become a household name. Hey, it's Howard Beck, and I've got money mccutchen the NBA vice president of referee development and training on reports the full forty eight referee served the game, our players, our coaches, and our franchises are the game. 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But years later in this situation, Christine Ford says, you know, I felt that I wanted to submit what I knew about Brett cavenaugh India's file because I did hear that he was up for this very important position and I wanted to make sure that my story was in there. I didn't wanna come forward, but I want to make sure that they have that information because she thought that was really important that they know. I truly, I don't understand it. I, I know, Brad, I know who he is, but you sympathize with the idea that some women would would suppress a memory or wouldn't wanna share it or would not be able to talk about it until many years later, I I don't under- I don't know what happened to her and I don't even want to go there. I feel I feel badly for her family. I feel badly for her through this process. This process is this not right? Do you believe there should be an FBI investigation into these allegations and that a pause should happen? And you know, sort it all out if there's nothing to worry about nothing to hide, why not have that process Ashley and all that. But. You know, I'm sure all along and actually to, I want to be heard. Fascinating, I guess, are back with me, Karen. I have the tell you throughout the clips that I've seen, I was not watching the judge. I'm watching Ashley, his wife and wondering what she is thinking. And now she's speaking out how powerful is it that she's sitting there that she's sitting there with him? What do you make of what she said? Well, I don't know that she really, in this case, adds much to it. I mean, usually when we see the spouse, the wife next to a man in a situation like this, she it's because something has happened that affects the marriage and the wife is there to essentially send a message. This is nobody's business, but ours, I think in this case and you usually see her greatly pained. This is a case where she is sitting there as his character reference and the character references have not really accomplished in in his case. What I think he and his allies have hoped. Scott, do think this. This, what do you think you would have been better served to do this alone and not his life along. Well, I mean with all due respect, I mean, if somebody started calling you a rapist for a week and the national media, that would probably tend to think maybe I should talk about this with my wife and she'd be a great care to reference, which is exactly what's happening to break Cavanaugh. I what I saw in the faces of both of them tonight. Emotion. You cannot coach emotion. Cavanaugh was breaking up during his answers. She was clearly emotional about this. I think it was right to put them both out there to address how hard this has been on their family, and it was right to put her up there next to him so that when he is sitting there saying unequivocally, I did not do this that she can then say unequivocally, this is not the bread cavenaugh that I know it was a great one. Two punch tonight from their side. I, in fact, I think I don't think they should stop. I think they should go out tomorrow and Wednesday and keep doing this until the hearing on Thursday. The what is the point of the hearing? This is why this is the thing. I don't understand if it's to get confirmed. Why does it? Why don't? Why doesn't he just go before the committee and answer the questions. If he says that he's already spoke. Enough? Why does he going on this PR roadshow right in Dr Blasi. Ford has come out and said that she's been asked multiple times as we know to do interviews and she said, no. So that's an interesting contrast that she's, she talked to the Washington Post. She was the first person. They've been. They've been over. Thanks, you're, you're right. She talked to the Washington Post, but Joan saying she's been invited to speak on Ron and down launch have gotten plenty of airtime versus Cavanaugh. I mean, come on guys when she was the first person to Amini interview. There are promising that we read that Kavanagh's denial and the statement of the president just in conjunction anytime anything's read with her as well. Let me play you one more. Let me play you. One sound bite from Ashley cabinet. Listen to this. I'm looking for a fair process process where I can defend my integrity and clear my name in all masking for his fairness and that high be heard in this process. Actually, what does this been like for you? The past couple of weeks, you've had death threats and all kinds of things coming your way. What, what, how does that feel. This process is incredibly difficult harder than we imagined. And we imagined it might be hard. But at the end of the day, our faith strong and we. No, the Ron right now we're going to stick to it. I've known him for seventeen years and this is not at all character. It's really hard to believe. He's decent. He's kind is good and it was hard. This is not consistent with with. Patrick, it's impossible to know. But what does the impact of this on what's going to happen? Thursday. Right? I mean, the, you know, at least in terms of this interview and brecca than was clearly saying that he wants to have. He wants to be heard, you know, he wants to be able to go from this to the front of the Senate and to have kind of a fair minded process where hopefully senators are like keeping open mind and he's, you know, he is appealing to. I think what he's he's a very American sense of fairness of innocent until proven guilty, you know, be open to me. But the the flip side of this though when he talks about processes, this is a lifetime appointment to the court. America doesn't give out many lifetime appointments. The reality is you're going to come under very tough scrutiny. When you're for lifetime appointment, whether it's your words, your rulings, or in this case, you know a credible person coming forward with an allegation. If there was such concerns about process. One could argue that the Republicans could have asked the f. b. i. to do an investigation, and then all sides could have said, you know, we're not comment. On this until the FBI has done. So instead you're having this day to day kind of public sort of public square discussion where people are going on TV and putting out their word can give you thought. Well, I do think we need to remember that as a confirmation hearing is not a court proceeding. It is not it. You don't have to prove something beyond the shadow of a doubt. What you have to prove is that you are fit for office, and in this case, you are fit for lifetime office. And I think that's another reason he is getting out ahead of this hearing to to knowing that people are getting their impressions of him right now. Yeah, sure are great to see you guys. Really appreciate it. Thank you so much coming up. Next rest is no Francisco already preparing to replace rod Rosenstein tonight. And Jimmy moss on an epic family feud, Republican, congressman for re-election has a new appointment Ponant basically as entire family, six of his brothers and sisters. Soccer fans are you? Tired of missing great UEFA games and giving soul crushing spoilers from friends, good news. Bleacher reports, new VR live that helps you watch all UEFA champion and your openly gay. Uninterrupted, because live should be live nowhere third-party sites, cramping, your style or scouring the internet updates. Now with VR live super easy to get started. Download the app and the Biard dot live a more live over Edison in subscription purchase and additional terms may apply. What happens to Robert Muller's Russia investigation. If deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein quits or gets fired. It's a question that's easy to ask, but hard to answer, but we do know who would likely replace Rosenstein the man Muller would report to is solicitor general, no Francisco, Tom foreman is out front. If my first year on the job is taught me anything, it's to expect the unexpected. No Francisco is an experienced lawyer, a staunch conservative, and maybe the answer to President Trump's endless frustration with the Russia probe, I would call it the rig to which unfolded Wichai that's a witch hunt, Tokes, some legal watchers firmly believe if Francisco is given oversight of special counsel, Robert Muller, he could severely tighten the reigns. He's wary of the power of an independent prosecutor like that and believes in a strong executive with the capability to fire any executive employees of which Muller is certainly one of them. The department of Justice's goal is not just to win, but to ensure that Justice is served. Francisco's, legal pedigree is long. He clerks for the late conservative Justice Antonin Scalia. He was on George W Bush's legal team during the hanging. Chad recount vote in Florida, then served in Bush. Justice department, arguing for the president's controversial choice to suddenly fire more than a half dozen US attorneys. There is no evidence. There is anything even remotely like a politically motivated or politically targeted prosecution as part of his current job. He has defended some of President Trump's policies before the supreme court. The president has made crystal clear on September twenty fifth that he had no intention of imposing the Muslim ban. However, he was also in the same law firm without going Trump attorney Don Mcgann, and that could present a conflict of interest, at least in the opinion of a former head of the government ethics office. Walter Shaab who says, even if Francisco's steps up, he should recuse himself from the Russia case just like attorney general Jeff Sessions and the White House should not interfere. They have the power to grant him a waiver, an ethics waiver saying the ethics rules don't apply to you because we don't want them, but you'd think that would be a mistake. I think that would be terrible. Of course, none of this is a sure thing Francisco may not get the job. If he does do the job, he may not do a President Trump wants or expects. But in the long running soap opera of the Russia probe, Cass changed seems like it might be coming and with it, a plot twist two or three or four gratitude, Tom, thank you coming up next family feud like you've never seen before Ginny MOS on six trashing their candidate brother in an ad for his opponent speaking. Hello gas people, how you do and that voice of SIMS on left co. You know us from a podcast called Simpson left go, but now we got a new show. We get a little different since we're kinda going to be big time going to Tong ball, we're gonna talk sports and culture too. I'm gonna teach SIMS. The internet. We're going to have players onset. We're going to go out and mess with them. It's going to be a lot of fun. It is. We're going to be on the streets. We're gonna be talking to fans. We're going to try to educate everybody and have a good time. So check it out the be our app, eight PM's on Wednesday, eight PM shut up. Tonight, a Republican congressman from Arizona is running for reelection and facing a slew of new opponents. And I'm not even talking about the democrat on the ballot. Here's janey MOS. Zona congressman. Paul gosar may have expected his opponent to attack him, but not six of his siblings. It's horrible to have to do this. The political ads sneak up on you. The speakers identified only by first name and profession posed absolutely not working for his district and he's not listening to you and then Wales by name is Tim gosar, David gosar grace gosar Jennifer gosar pogo SARS my brother to which Republican congressman. Paul gosar tweeted, my siblings who chose to film ads against me are all Liberal Democrats who hate President Trump has. Actually, they're not all Democrats, but after Paul made comments, interesting to find out about the Charlottesville, white nationalist rally, six of his nine siblings living outside Arezzo. When public, you know, Paul shoots himself in the foot fairly regularly and every day he comes armed with plenty of ammunition, his sister, grace at a spa. Arguing for healthcare describing her terminal cancer without insurance. I would not be here. Someone on the staff of congressman goes SARS opponent. Notice David go SARS Twitter account where he calls his brother, weasel, siblings, agreed to do ads getting no pay an I endorsed Dr real on Dr. David Brill, and I approve this message. Siblings eighty-five year old mom doesn't. She said she was shocked and crushed that her son Paul, Donna hell of a job for AirAsia, and they love him too. Which Representative gosar replied, I guess I really am mom's favorite and to the six angry democrat Gozo's see you at mom and dad's house. I was willing to never have it thanksgiving dinner again with all, and maybe of my parents because I felt so much that this was important commenters. Imagine family get togethers would look like food fights. Someone tweeted a Turkey t. TV dinner to the congressman saying, here's your thanksgiving dinner, which will be waiting for you in the shed. Congressman gosar probably never thought his siblings would go so far. Jennifer Zima CNN to New York charter schools are. Two little cannot make this stuff up. All right. Thanks so much for joining us tonight. A three sixty starts right now. There was moonlight Anthony bourdain. There was new show parts on the EMMY award winning CNN original series returns for one last ride around the world. Can Indonesia to story is Spain. Are west Texas to the lowly side, Jared, Anthony, bourdain parts, known the final episodes, Sundays at nine on CNN.
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Source Close to White House: Rosenstein claims could serve as pretext for any president to fire the deputy attorney general; Senator Schumer warns Trump not to use claims to fire Rosenstein; Trump speaks at campaign rally in Missouri
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I'll ask one of his longtime friends and Ted Cruz fighting for his political life tonight relied at his first debate with democrat, but, oh, rook. Let's go out front. Good evening. Everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Erin Burnett out front tonight, breaking news, Rosenstein job on the line. The bombshell report tonight that rod Rosenstein wanted to invoke the twenty fifth amendment to re to remove Trump from office and suggested wearing a wire on more than one occasion to secretly record the president, a source close to the White House tonight says that could serve as a pretext for firing the deputy attorney general in any administration. This has the president's allies pouncing calling for Rosenstein to be fired from conservatives like former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee who tweeted that if it's true, Jeff Sessions needs to fire Rosenstein. And if he won't, Donald Trump needs to fire both of them to other Fox News personalities, and the message really doesn't get any more clear than this. Now he must be fired. And Rosenstein boss attorney general Jeff Sessions also said, is said to be upset and concerned tonight after reading the reports about his number two according to source. MRs Rosenstein made these questions in the spring of two thousand seventeen. Shortly after the president had fired, then director, James Komi, and the discussions were documented at least in part and memo's by former FBI deputy director, Andrew McCabe. Those memos are now in the hands of the special counsel and Robert Muller's investigation is being overseen by rod Rosenstein. Now, Rosenstein is forcefully denying the reports in a rare public statement. He calls the story quote in accurate and factually incorrect. Jim Acosta is out front live at the White House for us. So Jim, what is the president's reaction tonight? Interesting. The president has had no reaction so far. He has not spoken to reporters. Reporters were asking this question as he landed in Missouri for a rally later on this evening and that that rally could happen any moment now and given the fact that the president has been going down this rabbit hole of late complaining about a conspiracy against him, complaining about a deep state. You would think that this rod Rosenstein story would fit neatly into that narrative, but the president has not taken advantage of that his sources, whereas officials top officials here at the White House have not taken advantage of that. But I, I will tell you that sources close to this White House told me Kate that they feel at this point that this rod Rosenstein story is essentially a pretext for the president if he wanted to to fire rod Rosenstein and those in the words of one source close to the White House. This would be the case in any administration when you have a deputy attorney general going around talking about whether it's our cast or not about a wearing a wire and secretly recording the president or going around and recruiting people to invoke. The twenty fifth amendment and had the president removed from office that would that would justify firing a deputy attorney general in any case. But yet at this hour, we have not heard any hyperbolic statements from the president of not seeing any hyperbolic tweets in the president. But as you said, just a few moments ago, Kate, the president does often look to what is taking place in conservative media and many of his allies in conservative media are saying at this point, the president fire rod Rosenstein. And at this point we're waiting to see what the White House does. Next I talked to White House official earlier this evening. Kate who said that this story did not come as surprise of the White House that they knew of the story, at least as of yesterday and they're plotting their response to all of this right now. But Kate, I find it to be very interesting at this hour that the president has not weighed in all of this. And I did talk to a source close to the White House earlier this evening who said, and I thought this was very interesting eight that the president and people here at the White House, they hate. They do not like this narrative of the twenty fifth amendment. This thing that was talked about, obviously in the Bob Woodward book, this notion. In that officials could go round and conspire behind the president, having removed from office that they just hate that narrative inside the White House. So the possibility I suppose exists that the reason why the White House President of not weighed in on all of this is they don't wanna feed into that narrative of narrative. And of course, Kate at this hours, you know, they're very much interested in trying to get Brad Kavanagh through the supreme court nomination process, and the president is going up to the United Nations General assembly next week. So they're, they're played is awfully full, but I think it is. It is quite fascinating tonight that the president and his team have not weighed in on this officially in any form to this explosive allegations that I came out in the New York Times earlier today that they've had they've had time to prepare for for south right. That there hasn't been a response yet is fascinating greatest, Jim. Thanks so much. I'll fronts out from with we now, the Frank Bruni New York Times columnist. Harry Sandik is here is a former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York and c. n. n.'s Justice department correspondent Laura, Jarrett. It's great to see all of you, Frank. I don't know what, what does your gut tell you in this when you read all the details that are coming out of their reported in these stories, is this all headed to the eventual conclusion you think of Rosenstein getting fired? I think it probably isn't. I think in this case, if you read the story, Rosenstein action, sound so Iraq. And so under mining that I think even Trump's fiercest critics would not take issue with his being fired, but there's one wrinkle here that people aren't talking about. This is a story based on anonymous sources, right? This is the kind of story that the White House is constantly. Erica is fake news. So if they act on this and say, this is grounds for firing him, aren't they admitting that what we report? What CNN reports with the New York Times reports is true. As a fascinating. I I say, let us see what the president says, and then we will have an you already. Jumping ahead Laura, let me ask you. This rod Rosenstein is of course in charge of overseeing the Russian investigation because sessions recused himself, what would happen if he was gone? What would that mean for the molar investigation. So the important thing to recognize even if rod is out tonight, the molar investigation doesn't go away. It doesn't mean it all just sorta just closes up shop. There is a quite leafy line of succession over here at the Justice department for what would happen. If for whatever reason, Rosenstein either is fired or resigns, then the DOJ line of succession calls for the solicitor general, the old Francisco to step in his shoes and oversee as the acting attorney general. Because of course, the as you mentioned Kate, the only reason that Rosenstein is overseeing the molar probe is because attorney general Jeff Sessions had to recuse himself from all things related to the twentieth sixteen campaign. So if if for whatever reason, Rosenstein was to step aside or his out than franscisco becomes the next in line. Now that doesn't mean the president couldn't for whatever reason, install an acting deputy attorney general that he wants his choosing. He's allowed to do that under the bacon sees. Act. He can do that with anyone who Senate confirmed if he wants. But there is someone here in place if for whatever reason, the president was just let the line of succession take place, but I should mention we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. We have no indication that he is going anywhere, but there is a plan in place and it would not require or would not. Rather I should say, I mean that molar is going anywhere Harry. This. Just to put a finer fine point on it. This did not. According to these reports, this does not go beyond words. This was talk. This was suggestion of this was not action on. But if true, do you think this is grounds for firing a deputy attorney general? I think it probably is something as Frank was saying that if your attorney general proposes this series, I think it is or your deputy attorney general proposes seriously wearing a wire to meet with the president to try to take him out of office. I think most presidents would feel comfortable replacing that person. I also think though from the context and from what we know about the deputy attorney general, if the words were said, it seems more likely they were said and some sort of sarcastic were exasperated way rather than as a serious plan to actually wire up and go in and do this. And what happens is if these were recorded in a memo by acting director McCabe, he's not going to write down the tone in which they were said. He's probably just going to write down the words that were said and be. Texture might be important. I think that's right. And it's it's sort of like reading Email, you know, sometimes you don't know the tone of the person who's writing the the words. And I think something like that could be going on here because I just don't want the state lost in in this moment how extrordinary that would be? Yes. If the deputy attorney general, the United States was seriously having a conversation about himself wearing a wire or talking to others to wear a wire to record the president of the United States and talking about going around and seeing how much interest there wasn't the twenty fifth amendment and mentioning we have and said, according to the story, he's telling people, I think I can get Jeff Sessions on board. I think I can get John Kelly who was. Yeah, but. Here at wondering so we know that Trump has read this story with, no, they're talking about it. How, what is this doing to his tender psyche? You know, I mean, this is coming fast on the heels of fear. It's coming fast on the heels of the anonymous op-ed. In my newspaper Saturday morning is prime real estate for Trump tweet storm. I feel like we should keep our eyes glued to the president's Twitter account tomorrow morning or shield them depending on how you're feeling Laura this, this all happened. If we're talking about the context of this all happen right after the president had fired James combing, which this all occurred, two weeks after Rosenstein started on the job. What do you know about Rosenstein mindset around that time? Because that seems to be part of this conversation. Now, I think that's a key a key point there. It was a frantic time for everyone, especially the deputy attorney general. He had only been on the job for a couple of weeks. He gets thrust into the middle of this because of course we all remember, he writes this sort of cryptic memo about how. James Komai botched. The Hilary Clinton Email investigation, which at least initially Trump us is the dust af- occasion for why he has to get rid of him. He then later backtracks on all of that, but at least rods mental had become the pretexts and then everything is sort of thrown into a tailspin and the deputy, a former deputy at the FBI injury. Cape was extremely close to James Komi. So it's worth remembering his friend, his boss, the head of this agency has just been fired. Everyone is sort of reeling from it. You really pick up on it in the text messages between former officials at the FBI page and struck at the time. You get a sense that everyone over there really did admire James Komi. And so everyone is sort of dealing with the fallout of this. And then meanwhile, rod is having meetings with somebody that he doesn't know that well, and so- McCabe has documented these conversations in his contemporaneous notes. And as one source, you told me like McCain has no reason to lie about this, but then other people push back and say. He is under investigation for lying to investigators. And so is he really a reliable and they're eater, and perhaps you know, will have these divergent tails at the end of the day, but it, it leaves the deputy attorney general in a really tough spot to have someone have contemporaneous notes with him talking about wearing a wire on the president at state land us all in the middle of just as you're describing it, just the middle of another mess a mess of credibility yet again, mccabe's memo's is we're talking about there in the hands of the Bob Muller team right now. What do they do with all of that? I think that it is relevant perhaps broadly to the obstruction investigation that's being conducted. What was the fallout from the firing of Komi? How did people react to both the president and his team and others within the administration? And so even if these words were not said in earnest, but we're said sarcastically, the very idea that the deputy attorney general is talking like this. It's not normal. It's not a usual thing. Happen in administration. And so I do think it's a some interest anyway. So the Muller team as they look at whether the Komi firing was obstructive or something else. And how did all of these come out in the first place other than intrepid reporting, great to see you guys. Thank you so much out front. Next Rosenstein denies the report, but is he telling the truth, his longtime friend and former DOJ official is out front plus secretary. Ben Carson has a wild theory about what's behind the allegation against Brad Kavanagh. You'll have to hear it to believe it and Ted Cruz in a dog fight for his Texas Senate seat debating and democratic challenger right now, we're going to take you live to that debate. Support for out front comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. 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Number thirty thirty. The top democrat in the Senate Chuck Schumer warning the president tonight against firing deputy attorney, general rod Rosenstein tweet sending out this statement saying this, this New York Times report must not be used as a pretext for the corrupt purpose of firing deputy attorney, general Rosenstein in order to install an official who will allow the president to interfere with the special counsel's investigation this after the New York Times. First reported that Rosenstein disgust invoking the twenty fifth amendment to remove President Trump from office back in two thousand seventeen Rosenstein also considered wearing a wire boys, the report to secretly record conversations with the president and the aftermath of firing the FBI, then FBI director, James combing Rosenstein tonight, calling the report inaccurate and factually incorrect out front now, democratic congresswoman of California, Jackie speier. She sits on the house intelligence committee congressman. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for the invitation. Kate, of course. So we know that the president has considered. Darren Rosenstein in the past, but with this news tonight, do you think Rosenstein is going to be fired. Well, it certainly gives the president president the excuse to fire him. But I think it's really important for all of us to remember who the attorney general is responsible to the attorney general. The deputy attorney general is responsible to the American people and the constitution of the United States. He is not the private attorney of Donald Trump and the president can't get that through his head. A lot of people have been talking about invoking the twenty fifth amendment. It doesn't surprise me that rod Rosenstein had been in conversations about whether or not it should be invoked. But again, it has to be invoked. It doesn't. It doesn't surprise me that the deputy attorney general United States is floating this. Well, it doesn't surprise me because their their allegiance is to the American people in the constitution that chaos in this administration, the lack of normalcy in the president's interactions with everyone is. Not right. It is not how we should be operating as the United States of America, and so it doesn't surprise me anonymous. Whoever anonymous is has referenced that there was a habit discussion about this, so it's it's been going on for some time. I'm sure went, but the the actions that we're learning tonight talking about secretly recording the president and also talking about invoking as we're talk about the twenty fifth amendment to remove the president from office, are those actions grounds for firing. Again, grounds for firing would be if he was violating the law and I don't think that you can make the case that rod Rosenstein is violating the law in conversations with people about whether or not the president is showing a incapacity to do. The job is is looking out for the American people but doesn't use serve at the pleasure of the president. The president has the power to hire and fire in that position. Well, certainly the president does, but under the circumstances where the president of the United States is under investigation by the special counsel who has been appointed by rod Rosenstein, I think changes the dynamic if Rosenstein goes, do you? Do you think that that means the end of the molar investigation. I think that the end of the Muller advice investigation will come when Mr. Muller has finally made a report to the congress of the United States. If the president does anything, anything at all to tamper with that investigation, I believe that will be grounds for impeachment. You think fire Rosenstein is in your view, tampering with the investigation. That in and of itself is not. But if he tries to shut down the investigation, it clearly would be between this. And as you mentioned the anonymous op Ed from the senior administration official was laying out how there were people working on the inside of the administration working against the president's agenda are Trump supporters right? To be concerned that there's a deep state working against him. I think his base is very impressed by whatever Donald Trump says, and he has been very effective at holding onto that base. Now when he starts calling the attorney general dumb, dumb southerner. I think that's going to start rubbing his base. Again. The president does not act normally in engaging with his cabinet and with others, both in the congress and in the media, and he is trying to divide our country. And I think what's happening is the independence that voted for him have absolutely walked away from him and his support is declining. There's no question about it, and that is one thing to be tested in the mid terms coming up very, very soon and many other topics are discussed. If you don't have a thank you for coming on cars woman to discuss this breaking, really appreciate it. Thank you out front next breaking news. The Republicans. Giving Brett Kavanagh's, accuser, Christine Blasi poured an ultimatum agree tonight to testify or the committee votes on Kavanagh's domination on Monday, and some Rosenstein associates say the he was just kidding about the potential of wearing a wire to tape the president. Is he the joking type Rosenstein, longtime friend. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. 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There will be a vote Monday on cavenaugh if there is no deal by tonight for four to testify someone's Prodi is out front on Capitol Hill. So Sunlen looks like the ball is now back in Ford Escort what's happening. Well, Kate, the ball is certainly right now in Dr Ford's court, but it certainly will not be for much longer. She has just under three hours to make her decisions and let the committee know of her decisions. What she intends to do. You'll recall that about mid day today, the chairman of the committee, the Senate Judiciary committee submitted the plan to Dr Ford's leaguer team outlining the terms of a potential testimony up here on Capitol Hill win. It would happen potentially what it would look like, who would testify who'd be the the questioners. They're all of those details. All of those Justice, of course. So important where so many sticking points truly remain. But tonight really chairman, glass Grassley making it known that this is a hard deadline. He I had a five pm deadline that was not reached. He then set a ten pm deadline that is offer on the table and sources. Tell me here tonight. Kate that that is the final offer, make this deadline. Or he's saying that he will push towards a vote on Cavanaugh on Monday of next week. So this is sensually the chairman of the committee escalating the pressure ramping up the pressure. Essentially, this is going to happen or not a Grassley intends to find out tonight. So a lot potentially could unfold over the next few hours and we'll see if her legal team accepts the term so many sticking points potentially still remain. Oh, yeah, absolutely. All right, someone. Thanks so much up front with me. Now Steve Cortez a member of President Trump's twenty twenty reelect advisory council and smoke Sanders, former national press secretary for Bernie Sanders. Twenty sixteen campaign. It's great to see you both says only get back to bring back to the president's comments today as we watch and wait for him to speak tonight to hear what he has to say. I mean, everyone was patting the president on the back for his restraint is this story was coming out. That's no longer the case. I mean, he took on Krisztian Blasi four directly. What changed for the president. Right. I don't know frankly, what changed? I think that the tweet I, I would not have sent that tweet out. I don't think it's helpful to the process at this point. But I do also having said that I also understand his frustration and my guess I've not talked to him or the White House today, but my guess is what changed is his frustration level grew, which I understand because I think far too many people for too many democratic senators. People like Senator gillibrand far too many people in mainstream media have thrown out the principle of the presumption of innocence for the accused, and that is a bedrock principle of American Justice. And there's a reason for that by the way, it's not just to be nice to the cues, it's because it's difficult if not impossible for the accused approved that they did not do something. So the onus is always on the accuser, the prosecutor in our system. But we seem to have forgotten that when it comes to Kennedy or she's to cavenaugh. And so I think, look, we have to come to terms with the fact that it's very likely we will never know what happened or didn't happen. Almost forty years ago. Given that all we can rely on really in terms of Brent cavenaugh is what has his adult life been like and nothing in his adult life indicates he's the kind of person to perpetrate these kinds of crimes. Okay. Kate. So just a few things. I just just a few. If I may first and foremost, the president was absolutely despicable for the tweet that he sent today because Brett cavenaugh has the whole brunt force of the White House behind him. He has this entire time. Everyone is known it. It's given Dr Ford and she has been treated in my opinion unfairly. But what he did today was was was just inexcusable. He, he skipped exhibited no compassion, no understanding if you will, of what someone goes through who has been sexually assaulted who has been abused, he just despicable. So that's first and foremost. Secondly, there is a way for us to know what happened that what happened? That fateful night the doctor. Ford is talking about how about an FBI investigation, but the white. House has declined to ask for one there is a way for us to get some folks, some additional testimony, hop on holding a hearing with additional folks such as the therapist or Mark judge whom Dr Ford named in the room. The third person, the doctor Ford named in the room, putting those folks under oath, but the Republicans are declining to do that. And so this has been an unfair process, but with the president did today was just the cherry on top of a very despicable. And dare I say, deplorable cake today, Kate the one thing, one thing about kind of real occur patterns and trends, right? Steve. So this is far from the first time that we've seen President Trump or Donald Trump before he was president take side of the accused and attack the accuser, not just waiting for to play out. I mean, he's done it for years from Rhonda rails, ROY Moore to Mike Tyson to accusations against himself. Of course, he's going to defend himself, but going after an attack in the accuser. Just just listen to this. It's very sad because he's a very good person. I've always found him to be just a very, very good person totally denies it. He says it didn't happen and you know, you have to listen to them. Also, these people are horrible people, the horrible, horrible, liars Mike Tyson. In my opinion, it should really be given another break. I mean, they put them in jail before he was even guilty as far as I was to do. You. He was going to rape Steve. This looks like a pattern and not a very good one. Not a good one at all. Well, the tape you showed Kate would indicate a pattern. However, you left out something very, very significant and much more relevant to politics, which is a case of Bill Clinton, where he absolutely believed those accusers. And why did he believe those accusers? Because unlike Brent Cavanaugh who has led an impeccable life of public service of devotion to his family, Bill Clinton has led a life as a sexual predator who exploits abuses women. So those accusations are far more believable. Now, we still don't know that they're true just as we don't know. These accusations from MS. Ford are true, but they're much more believable given the pattern of Bill Clinton's life than the Brett cavenaugh pattern of, again, scholarship service, catering, volunteering, family really liked to say. Sometimes I, I believe, Dr Ford. Secondly, Brett Cavanaugh could have been a boy scout for all we know he could lead it eagle scout troop. He could visit elderly people every damn day of his life, bringing them cookies and everything else they need, and he could still have. Done this. The fact that he's leading a quote unquote impeccable life. The fact that you know he's promoted, women has nothing to do with the conduct the doctor. Ford says he exhibited thirty five years ago, and I think that's important. People can be good people and still do bad things. People can can be so far that is the, but no, but you're, you're making the case that because Brett Kavanagh's a good guy, quote, unquote that he could have possibly done. This don't know what's dangerous much more important than that before it has no one. Meaning to lie her let she has been lent Bassett as a liar. Throughout the media, there have been members of congress on and off the record on social media in the newspapers that have called her everything under the sun. That of asserted she's mixed up. She has no incentive, but the come forward except until the just a just a small point of fact, we'll we'll remember in the distant past that Trump did defend Bill Clinton and ninety eight before he then believed the accusers in two thousand sixteen but continue stick. That's all I'm saying until my only point and I'm not saying we cannot continue to try to make Brett Cavanaugh out as though he's a martyr when we there, it's just not okay. Do you think. Great character. What I'm saying is in the absence of evidence, and there is no evidence here. There is neither sculptural. Is there nor is there? No, nor is there incriminating evidence there maybe had no. The only witness, the only witness says it didn't happen and didn't. And he didn't. Refusing because there's a yes, under the penalty of perjury, he did to the committee. So because of the, there's literally a complete void of evidence. All we have to go on is what we can make the pattern of a person's life. And I'm just providing the contrast of Bill Clinton's life lead you to easily believe that he abused and exploited crazy, and we're Kavanagh's why. This is our last thing I wanted to say on that. Madison. It's plausible. I want to say on this on that point is that you know what the Catholic church is currently going through a reckoning because many folks now some twenty thirty, maybe even forty years later, have come forward saying someone touched them. Something happened to them when they were altar boy or Alta girl and no one. No, not not want to say no one, but the overwhelming majority of folks are taking those accusations as credible accusations. And the Catholic church is being investigated, and they're going through a reckoning. And these now adult in the situation at once young boys and young girls are receiving Justice, where is that same compassion for Dr Ford. Well, depends on what side you stand right now because there are a lot, unfortunately. The answers is because this is thrown into a horrible political. Tornado. That's the only way you can think of it. And that's what, and that's what this come from. Great to see you guys. Thanks so much, much more to come, especially to find out. Will there be a vote or will be testifying that we will still find out later tonight I'll front for us next though. Rod Rosenstein forcefully. Denying the reports tonight is he telling the truth, I'll ask one of his longtime friends. We joining and relied at one of the most highly anticipated debates this year. 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One telling CNN when we were in a tense meeting, he's able to dial down the tension with a well timed joke, but is the straight laced deputy attorney general. Even the joking type out front. Now, James trustees a former chief of the organized crime section for the department of Justice. He's also a longtime friend of deputy attorney. General rod Rosenstein Mr. trustee. Thanks for coming in. Sure. So do you believe this reporting that Rosenstein wanted to get others to invoke the twenty fifth amendment and he also wanted to record conversations with the president? No, I'm trying to think of the suitable phrase or word for television, but I guess we'll go with garbage, although I'm kind of worried. That's an insult to garbage. It's ridiculous. I don't think any of this stuff happened. Tell me why based on what you based on the rod Rosenstein you know why you think it's garbage. Right. Well, let me just say, I mean, the first part in terms of talking about wearing a wiretap to talk to the president, I don't buy it maybe as kind of a sarcastic put down to somebody who is suggesting it. But the second part is just absurd. This is a constitutional scholar, a longtime prosecutor, smart guy. He is not thinking the twenty fifth amendment applies when you just don't like the president. He knows very well. The twenty fifth amendment is designed to have a situation where you can relieve the presidency when the president is truly incapacitated. I'm talking like coma tos, and so there's just not even a moment's chance that rod Rosenstein would sit there and contemplate this bloodless coup of using the twenty fifth amendment to get rid of a sitting president. It's just not even conceivable. It's interesting because the. New York Times offered some real detail on the twenty fifth amendment. Talk at one point putting it this way. He Rosenstein did tell Mr. McCabe Andrew McCabe that he might be able to persuade attorney general Jeff Sessions and John Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security, and now the White House chief of staff to mountain effort to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. And also some of the conversations. These were detailed indicates memos that have been turned over to the special counsel. I mean, do you think McCabe and others made this up? We'll McCabe has had the inspector general fine that he lied on four occasions including lying about what he said during the last lie. This is not a guy who has instant credibility in my book. And so honestly, I think there's some room for confusion, misunderstanding who said what we're the sarcasm was, but you know, you've got a guy who's got a track record of lying as the inspector general found who's in the market for selling a book, and you've got the New York Times taking his story as gospel. I just. I just don't buy it. I just don't think that books should be in the fiction section, not the nonfiction, give any. Wariness of any. I don't know how better way to say this beef between rod Rosenstein Andrew McCabe. No, although you do have a high place official within the FBI who was fired from his job and is facing the potential for federal prosecution with the grand jury proceedings. I'm not privy to the inner circle of how they all communicated during that transition from McCabe position as a number two in the FBI to somebody who's selling books in a bad spot, but there's certainly room for that. And again, I don't. I don't pretend to know the full story of who would be trying to put a knife in rods back, but I think there's plenty of people that would have a motive to do that. And that actually something I wanted to ask you if you're right in this is not true, then someone is really out to get him. Do you think he's being setup? Well, look, there's only a couple of scenarios that makes sense. One is just kind of mistake and it doesn't come off as a mistake in report. The other is just media buys, and I know it's a shock, but. Sometimes the New York Times doesn't get it right. But the other version is that somebody reported it and kind of a credible fashion or intended to report it in a credible fashion to get at rod. And frankly, he's been under the crosshairs of a lot of folks, you know, and you can kind of fill in which political party you want. But the bottom line is he's been in a very high profile controversial position. He's drawn criticism from all quarters some because they think he's not moving fast enough others because they think he's too secretive. I chalk it up to a guy who's a professional prosecutor doesn't leak as business all over Washington. You've known him a long time when he issued a rare public statement, denying these claims. What do you think is what's his reaction to this tonight? I, you know, I don't know. I know what I would do. I'd be. I'd be a menace in my my family would say, please don't come home tonight your way to angry. But I've known rod for eighteen years. He's a very measured guy. He's a very calm guy. Even that aspect of the report just rings false that he was in some sort of a panicky. Jittery state after Komi was fired. That's just not the way this guy operates. And so I suspect that his credit, he probably goes home and values his family time and doesn't spend a whole lot of time letting it distract him. Do you think your friends are gonna lose his job over this. I don't know. I assure you know, look, let me just also tell you. I've been friends with rod for about eighteen years. I do respect him and like him, but he'll be the first to tell you. I don't just automatically say what he wants people to say. I've I've been criticized by him for being too harsh on the department that I worked at for seventeen years. So I don't say any of this lightly, and I don't think it's a matter of me being biased by friendship. I hope he doesn't get fired because I think it's a very disruptive and a bad moment politically for this country to go through. But you know, he's very fatalistic about it. He's going to take it in stride, no matter what happens. And I hope he continues to do what he's done for so many years as a very professional objective, talented prosecutor, Mr. chassis. Thanks for coming in. Interesting. I appreciate it. I'll press next Ted Cruz. Pedro Rourke, their first debate happening right now. The race now considered a tossup? Yes. In Texas. How did that happen in the red state of Texas. And President Trump has hailed the government's response to hurricane Maria and Puerto Rico as an unsung success. Others call it a failure. What really happened there. Soccer fans are you? 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This is why people don't like Washington DC. You just said something that I did not say, what did you not it to me. I'm not going to repeat. I'm not going to repeat this land. I'm not going to repeat the slam, not gonna say what your station. Geez at eleven dares out front for us. Now crews is truly fighting what could be the toughest battle of his political career. I mean, cook political report, move the race to an again reliably, red Texas toss up what's going on down there. Well, you know, it's the question. Everyone here in Texas. Political circles is wondering to just whether or not the candidacy in the campaign of El Paso. Congressman democrat better or work is the real deal here in Texas. You know, many people here in this state well, versed on all almost twenty five years of democratic talk that they would win back some sort of statewide race. A democrat hasn't been elected here statewide in roughly twenty five years, but there is an intense amount of buzz surrounding better Rourke's turning out massive crowds in the most unlikely of places. A number of polls have had him within striking distance. Although the latest poll this week showed Ted Cruz up nine points, but many people, you know, really interested to see about whether or not on election day. This campaign is the real deal. I just I think that's rain. I thought that was a fountain going on behind you and that is happening around you. That is, but really quickly, of course, is you mentioned Texas hasn't elected a democratic democratic Senator Sens Eighty-eight. Everyone wonders is still piper pipe dream for Democrats. I mean as beta landing any punches is Ted Cruz is known for his debating abilities. Both bookmaking dog I've interviewed both been here in the last few weeks. I was kind of joking with someone that they are both extremely long winded of very well at public, very good at public speaking. I thought in an hour-long debate, you know, maybe a Bill get to questions, but they are both very strong on the debate. They've been going back and forth over over a number of issues. And what is really interesting to see here in this federal campaign? It's just how much money he has raised. He hasn't actually outraged Ted Cruz in fundraising by, I think I'll cash on hand has roughly four million dollars more left to spend here in the final weeks of this campaign. So that makes all of this extremely interesting, and it's a race that many people are paying attention to because no one really expected to have to pay attention to this race, and that's what's raising so many eyebrows in the political world down here in Texas. Money means a whole lot in politics, see what it means in the Senate race. Great to see you. Thank you. From press next hurricane ravaged, Puerto Rico, one year after Maria devastated the island thousands remain in homes without roofs, reliable power. How is that possible. Hello gas people do and that voice of SIMS on left go, you know, us from podcast called Simpson left go, but now we got a new show. We get a little different since we're kind of going to be big time going to Tong ball. I'm gonna talk sports and culture too. I'm gonna teach SIMS. The internet. We're going to have players onset. We're going to go out and mess with them. It's going to be a lot of fun. It is. We're going to be on the streets. We're gonna be talking to fans. We're gonna try to educate everybody and have a good time. So check it out the be our app, eight on Wednesday, PM shut up. One year ago this week, hurricane Maria slammed into Puerto Rico, becoming one of the worst natural disasters in US history, the monster devastated the island plunging. It's more than three million residents into now year long nightmare. The estimated deaths from the storm. Two thousand nine hundred seventy five people tonight c. n. as Leyla Santiago and build where take us there for an in depth. Look at the tragic aftermath of Maria and the federal government's response storm of controversy. What really happened in Puerto Rico, premieres tonight, here's a preview. The Puerto Rico was incredible on shown success, Texas. We have been given a+ of four. Florida. We beginning English. I think in a certain way, the best job we did was Puerto Rico, but nobody would understand that. I mean, that's. What is even harder to understand it's how the president can say such a thing on the very same day we discovered this staggering example of failure waste. How do you explain the millions of bottles of water? We found sitting on a runway gums. Bill Leyla are joining me right now Bill. Let's start with where that what I've seen. This is a really important, especially you guys have, but with those millions of bottles, one is the response that you're getting from FEMA is this the tip of the iceberg of a problem of how the response was all rolled? You know, it's all about, you know, it's all about timing. It's one thing to say. I have a kitchen full of food when you got ten guests coming over. It's another thing to get it all on the table at the same time and what they learned. And what the inspector general found is that they just flooded the zone way too late. They heard about the cry. They heard three million people running out of food water, and so they jammed it in their, but and now they can say it's the biggest response in history, but it came too late and that's the result right there. So less important to the probably twenty million dollars worth of water that's wasted is how many lives could have saved because due to landless dogged reporting suing the government of Puerto Rico, they've found we discovered the outbreak of this water, borne illness as a result of people not having freshwater. And so just one example of how human nature can take mother nature and make it that much more tragic and Layla you were there before during and after her. Like one hundred days in the last year. One hundred seventy seven hundred. You're in Puerto Rico tracking how the recovery has been slow and progress that has been made, where where would you say Puerto Rico is now in terms of its in terms of recovery? Depends on where you go. It really depends on where you go. When we in some one, I actually had a conversation with one of the hotel managers actually where I was standing right there and he said, please tell people to come, tell them to come. They want the, they were ready for the tourism they need. The tourism might powers go and food is going, it's great. But you just outside of someone and it's a different reality. I actually just got off the phone with the widow of gentleman that that's actually featured in our in the documentary as well as she said. You know, as I've been looking over the photo them actually seeing things for the first time because that's how bad it was. They didn't have communication. They didn't have power there. Now reliving this a year later, asking the same questions, we are, what the heck happened. How do we keep this from happening. Again, but they're two very different realities on that island. You gotta think about that island, like two different islands. Stormer controversy. Why? Why was there so much controversy? Why was this so hard for everyone to get on the same page? But you know, I think there's a couple of things that those water bottles you showed. When when I put that on Twitter, it was a real political roszak test people either immediately blamed the lazy Puerto Ricans entitled waiting for somebody to come blue over that water, or they blamed the inept federal government and ultimately FEMA owned it, but it's just telling that was so divided in this. And also the unfortunate truth is that a lot of people don't think of these people as full American. There's even though they've been in our wars for one hundred years and they mid making medicine for generations. If you ever took Viagra huggy Puerto Rican because that's where they made the most of it, but there for a long time. So, but do they need their own star on the flag to get treated the same as folks in Texas and Florida who got much more help faster, real quick. Do people Puerto Rico field forgotten. Yeah, they feel forgotten. But to bill's point, I asked every single person is it to you feel like a US citizen? I thought that was an important thing. And everybody actually said, yeah, they do, but they feel that in this natural disaster and the aftermath of it, they were US citizens who were. They're important conversation and really, really important reporting. Thanks, you guys. It's great to see you here because this crazy reporting from down there. You can watch that special tonight. Thanks for joining us. AC. Three sixty starts now. So many people around the world depend on CNN's quality reporting. And now they have an incredible online store. We'd clothes gear and gadgets right now you can get fifteen percent off your purchase, just visit store dot, CNN dot com. And when you're checking out into the code CNN podcast, just one word you can get a fifteen percent discount. It's that simple that's store dot, CNN dot com.
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CNN has learned that Senator this committee Republicans are demanding a response by this hour to the counter offer. They made to the woman accusing supreme court nominee Brett Cava of sexual assault, laying out terms for her to testify and no longer restrain President. Trump's tempered response to the cavenaugh allegations gives way to an attack on his accuser. That left key GOP Senator Susan Collins float appall. I'm wolf. Blitzer you're in the situation room. This is c. n. n. breaking news, we're following breaking news, extraordinary new information about the man overseeing the Russia investigation. The deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein sources are telling CNN that after President Trump fire the FBI director, James Comey last year Rosenstein discuss secretly recording the president and recruiting cabinet members to invoke the twenty fifth amendment to remove him from office for New York Times. First reported the information Rosenstein has responded with a statement calling the time story, and I'm quoting him now inaccurate and factually incorrect. We'll talk about that much more with congressman Jim Himes of the intelligence committee, and our correspondents specialists than analysts are also standing by first, let's get some more details on the breaking news, our Justice correspondent Evan Perez and our Justice reporter Cheam on pets are both working the story for us, Evan breakdown all the information involved. This explosive report that tried, this is an explosive story. And this all came down in last year in weeks and days after the president fire, James Comey the FBI director, rod Rosenstein was in meetings. And in those meetings, he described a possibly wearing a wire in meetings with the president. He also talked about recruiting other members of the cabinet to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. There's a couple of ways to get rid of a president. One of them is through impeachment proceedings. The other is to for the members of the cabinet to declare that a president is incapacitated not capable of doing his job and according to the New York Times which first reported this story, this is one of the things that rod Rosenstein talked about, which was recruiting people like Jeff Sessions and John Kelly to try to get members of the of the cabinet to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. Now, why is this coming forward? Some of the people who were in these meetings including Andrew McCabe, the deputy director of the FBI actually memorialize some of this, they wrote down memos about. What rose Rosenstein was saying in these meetings. Now the the issue is that Rosenstein as far as we know, never went through with any of these recordings never went through with any of these meetings with people in the cabinet to try to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. It appears that this is a plan wolf that that he discussed in these meetings and that had never actually came to fruition. But you can see how just the fact that these discussions were made that these comments were made in these in these meetings, and there memos that are now in the hand of Robert Muller, the special counsel that this is a huge, huge deal. Contemporaneous notes are explosive. Indeed, what do we know Shimon about Rosenstein motivations. So according to the New York Times, certainly there was a lot of chaos right surrounding this moment after the president fired a James Komi. Certainly a lot of questions raised about the motivations behind that. And people had concerned that this was an obstruction issue that perhaps he fired the former. FBI director to try and end the Russia probe. So that was certainly on the mind on the mind of rod Rosenstein according to this report. Also I, you know what the New York Times says. And certainly what we've heard is that rod Rosenstein was surprised that his memo was used. A sort of the motivation is sort of the excuse to who had written this memo about the former FBI director regarding the Hillary Clinton investigation. And that seemed to have surprised that memo that this memo was used as motivation perhaps to fire. James call me, you know. You know the recording of the president if there was a wire, how did he plan on doing that? If in fact he did plan on doing right? Exactly. Well, the way he described doing it was simply wearing a wire when he went to the White House. He also talked about perhaps other FBI officials who are having meetings with the presidents would wear a wire. And again, this just the sportsburry idea of rod Rosenstein did the number two at the Justice department, actually thinking about this or talking about this, it's just a remarkable remarkable set of events, and we're, we're, we're also told that one person who apparently heard rod Rosenstein make the suggestion about wearing a wire recording the president thought that Rosenstein was being sarcastic. Yeah, sarcastic. One person described as he was maybe joking that this wasn't something that they were really serious about, but the New York Times the people that they have spoke to have certainly said now that their impression was that rod Rosenstein was serious about this. Andrew McCabe took it seriously enough that he had to put this these memos. In terms of rod Rosenstein. He released a statement essentially denying it saying that the stories inaccurate and here's what he said in a statement that the New York Times story is an accurate and factually incorrect. I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this based on my personal dealings with the president. There is no basis to invoke the twenty fifth amendment and you know evident, I have talked about this all day. This is sort of like a denial, non denial type of type of statement where he doesn't really address wiretap issue whether or not he wanted to draw on the president. He does a dress, the fact that he wants to public do sort of this country to know and the president, right to know that no way does he see him as being on fit into this story is completely inaccurate. Look, there's obviously big concern that this will lead the president to ultimately now make this final move, which would be to fire rod Rosenstein, which. You're just sort of rubbed and would just bring a whole new batch of chaos to this entire investable brunch of his supporters out there telling him to fire. Now we're getting all those tweets as we speak right now. Andrew McCabe, the fired deputy FBI director of the president is called him a liar. As you know, he contemporaneous leave memorialize this conversation in that memo. Right, exactly. And that's one way that the these conversations have now come to light. These memos are now in the hands of the special counsel, Robert Muller. And obviously there were other people in the room and we have a statement foam caves lawyer. We put it up as says, when he was interviewed by the special counsel more than a year ago, he gave all of his memos classified and unclassified to the special counsel's office. A set of those memos remained at the FBI at the time of his departure and late January of two thousand eighteen. He has no knowledge of how any member of the media obtained those memories. Obviously the lawyer for Michael Bromwich mccabe's lawyers, obviously, trying to. To distance himself from the source of the story from the New York Times, but look. The issue here is this that McCabe and other people inside the Justice department and inside the FBI clearly thought this was a serious conversation, a serious consideration that the the, the deputy attorney general was making. And so that's where we are. There's no denial of any of the substance in that McCabe statement that was obviously very carefully right around look, I've I've known rod Rosenstein over ten years and and I will tell you that he does have a gallows humor since that's kind of the way he talks. And so perhaps some people would essentially come away from those meetings and think that he was extremely serious and other people who prey perhaps have dealt with him over a longer period of time might come away from it and say, well, maybe he wasn't right. And so that's I think what the issue is or both you to stand by because I know we're getting more information all the time, but I quickly want to bring in our chief White House correspondent Jim McCarthy's also working this explosive story for us. So Jim, what's been the reaction so far? Over at the White House, a whole lot of silence. Well, with president has not weighed in yet. He's not tweeted about this yet. The White House press shop has not offered any kind of response to this. At this point. I did talk to a White House official earlier today. Wolf who said that the White House was aware of the story as of at least yesterday. So this story did not come as a complete surprise to them. They've had a little time to to work on their response, formulate a response. We just don't have one as of yet. But as you were mentioning us a few moments ago, a lot of the president's allies from the president's eldest son, Donald Trump, junior, and some notable figures over on FOX have been advocating that the president, you know, to start thinking about taking some pretty drastic action here. There are some Fox News host as we speak, who were saying that the president should go ahead and fire the deputy attorney general rod, Rosenstein, and wolf. I just received a text from a source close to the White House who keeps in touch with the White House about these sorts of things who said, wouldn't this be a pretext firing the deputy attorney general in any administration? And so. So there is a concern wolf among the president's allies and supporters that if these allegations are true, that the deputy attorney general has gone too far in the question, of course, wolf is whether or not the president takes that leave. Does he go ahead and make this decision to fire rod Rosenstein? And if he does that, what does that trigger up on Capitol Hill talking to some sources up on Capitol Hill, we'll. There is a lot of concern up there. Obviously, Democrats have said for a long time that firing rod Rosenstein or shutting down the Muller investigation with trip sort of a red line that would obviously bring about talk of impeachment up on Capitol Hill. You even hear that from some Republicans, but wolf. I think it's also interesting to note Senator Lindsey, Graham Republican from South Carolina who has we know has become very close to this president in recent months was putting out a tweet earlier this afternoon, sort of pushing back on this notion that the president should swallow what's reported in the New York Times, hook, line and sinker. Although we should note wolf CNN and other news outlets, they've confirmed a large. Chunk of what's been reported in the New York Times story. So wolf, a very big decision. Critical decision for the White House to make at this point could be explosive as we as we say. All right, Jim Acosta at the White House. Thank you. Let's get some more on all of this. Democratic congressman, Jim Himes of Connecticut is joining us. He's a member of the house intelligence committee, congressman. Thanks so much for joining us. So what do you think is, is it grounds for President Trump to fire rod Rosenstein? Well. You know, it's sort of hard to c based on what we know about Donald Trump that Rosenstein survives this in the long run. Look, I, I, I'm really quite concerned about that though. At some level, none of this is a real surprise. I mean, it's coming as a surprise to nobody that there is chaos at the president is random in his approach to things. Angry. Rosenstein is a guy who spent decades and a legal environment. I don't know him, but he's loyally, you know, he spent decades sort of following process that he would be shocked as he started work that his memo would be used as a reason to fire Komi that he would be shocked by what I'm sure was a circus like atmosphere around that and around recruiting in new FBI director. Look, none of that is a surprise. I'm not even sure the president supporters would be surprised by that. What really concerns me here is that this is going to feed the narrative. So you have rod Rosenstein heavy shocked reaction to something we all know to be true, which is at the White House is a circus and the presence. Is random in the way he approaches things that rod Rosenstein would be shocked is not a surprise, but the problem is the president and his supporters, and it's the usual rogues gallery of supporters is going to use this to perpetuate the notion that there is a deep state out to get to the out to get the president and there is not that's part of why you're not seeing these promised documents declassified and put out there. But this is gonna feed the narrative that there is this cabal of deep state people who have it out for the president, and we just don't need a White House that has any more paranoid in anymore. Spearing spinning of conspiracy theories than this one is how would it impact the Russia investigation? If the president does flare rod Rosenstein. Well, I guess I have two things to say about that one. You can't touch the Muller investigation. The Muller investigation has shown over a lengthy period of time that by producing convictions and guilty pleas and indictments that he that this is not a witch hunt founded on air, and there's no doubt in my mind that Muller has a lot yet to tell the American people. And as I've been saying forever, the president who maintains his innocence should want Muller to certify his innocence, but you cannot fire Bob Muller. The other thing I would point out thing number two wolf is that depending on who you listen to, there's a fairly good probability that the Democrats will be running the house of representatives in January, and that will imply a subpoena power for the opposition party for Democrats. And you know any attempt to hide to. To stop an investigation will be subject to the scrutiny and oversight of the congress. Something this president has never experienced before. You know if Rosenstein were fired congressman, the the solicitor general over at the Justice department, knoll Francisco, he would serve as the acting deputy attorney general, and he would also serve as the acting overseer of the entire Russia investigation Muller would have to report to him. Do you have confidence in Francisco. Well, again, the key question is, is there interference with the Muller investigation? And the question behind that is if the White House moved against the Muller investigation, which of course would be politically very perilous thing to do would at great long last, the Republicans in the congress stand up and say, you cannot do that. They have abided by and supported this president as the president has done things that they would have impeached a democratic president for people like Senator Lindsey, Graham, you know, now getting on board with attacking Dr Ford and the cavenaugh case. The question is under those circumstances would Republicans finally stand up and say, no, you cannot fire Robert Muller. You can't mess with his investigation wolf. I wish I could tell you that I had a shred of evidence to believe that my Republican colleagues might find it in their souls to support the country. And the concept of of a divided government checking one branch to the other, but I wouldn't be hugely optimistic about that congressman hind. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Well, we're gonna have much more on the breaking news will the president fire the deputy attorney, general rod Rosenstein after learning, he discussed recording the president and working to have him removed for office, and we're awaiting a response from the woman accusing the supreme court nominee, Brad Kavanagh of sexual assault or the latest offer for her to testify the deadline by the way for her to respond has just passed. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go. 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Slash situation, ZipRecruiter the smartest way to hire. Breaking news sources now, confirming to CNN was first reported by the New York Times, the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein last year discussed wearing a wire to record conversations with President Trump and recruiting cabinet members to invoke the twenty fifth amendment to the US constitution to try to remove the president from office. Let's bring in our political and legal experts. What a bombshell story, Gloria borger. So do you think the president will see this as grounds to go ahead and fire rod Rosenstein? What do you think? Yeah. Yeah, I do. I he doesn't. He doesn't love rod Rosenstein his in tweeted about him a lot lately. He's really focused more on Jeff Sessions, but I talked to one source today who is familiar with how the president feels about rod Rosenstein and says, look Percival in any other administration. If somebody in the Justice department, forget the wearing the wire thing because that could have been a joke or not a joke. But if there's someone seriously discussing the twenty fifth amendment about the president of the United States, and maybe he ought not to be working for him and that in any other administration you might resign or maybe the attorney general would fire rod Rosenstein. Maybe he would be the one to do that. You know, the complication, of course is the Russia investigation right now is is out there. It's not done and and Bob Muller reports to rod Rosenstein. So rod Rosenstein a very important person to the president right now and by all outward. Appearances, at least they seem to be doing better together. So yes, I think the president would see this as grounds to fire him. Willie do it. I don't know. I think the odds are probably with it that he would fire him, but but it's just hard to set strict with Laura Jarrett. She's over at the Justice department for us right now. What are they saying over there? Well, we'll if I think there's no question this explosive reporting truly rocked the Justice department today, and really folks are just trying to go into overdrive to contain the blast radius. If we tally it up, we've got an on the record denial statement from Rosenstein focusing in on the twenty fifth amendment part you'd recognize. And that statement saying, I essentially, I don't think that he's not fit for office, but sources are now telling us that the attorney general Jeff Sessions is not happy about this upset and concerned over the supporting. And I'm hearing from former officials who are trying to fiercely push back and say, look, this is not consistent with the rod. I know specifically. On the wiretap remark. They're saying this was sarcastic. Someone in the room telling me, I heard it. I was there. He was simply just joking trying to dismiss it another one on the twenty fifth amendment part saying, look, this is a meticulous guy. This is a smart guy. He wouldn't come up with some half baked plot with someone. He barely knew meeting Andrew McCabe because they had only been working together for short time at that point, wolf, but bottom line, they know this is bad and they're just waiting to see what the president has to say Mark Rosa. What are you? What do you make of the statements that were released by rod Rosenstein and the fired former deputy director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, right to two very different statements. But both if you read them a certain way, kind of take you to the same point in the road. If you look first at Rosenstein statement, he doesn't come out and say that the report is absolutely false. He doesn't come out and say, it is absolutely wrong. What he does say, says it's factually inaccurate or it's factually incorrect, and that it's inaccurate. Well, that doesn't mean that something. Happen, at least along the lines at the New York Times has reported we have since reported. So that in itself is interesting. And then you have to Andy MacKay of any McCabe just kind of acknowledges that they had handed over documents doesn't make any kind of search in about what the documents are, but by not saying anything says a lot. So again, that kind of takes you to the same point in the road. And we really are at a point in history right now when I know we really amped this up all the time, but could board. Could you imagine if this had happened during the Obama presidency or the George W Bush presidency that that a deputy attorney general, at least even joked about wearing a wire in the Oval Office with the president that's unbelievable film. If you carefully read the Andrew McCabe statement, the fire former FBI director, there's no denial there. And basically if you read between the lines, it clearly suggests that in the contemporaneous notes he was taking following that meeting, yes. All of this came up on the part of Rosenstein Sherman context is everything for example, rose. Stein is saying twenty fifth amendment. That's interesting. There's a lot of talk on Capitol Hill where the lawyers we'd better figure out everything there is to know about the twenty fifth amendment. That's a lot different than saying, I want to participate in a conspiracy to take down the president. I experienced this once in my own life years ago as junior officer, I was assigned to work with a police department on a major terror case. I didn't understand as a junior officer, the sensitivities of working with the police department. Lot of a sitting around one night as junior guy was probably about twenty six years old. Having a Cup of coffee. I said, boy, it'd be great if you guys issue me a gun in a badge because I'm over here all the time. That was the last time I ever saw the inside of that police department because somebody took it seriously and call the Central Intelligence Agency from the police department. It said he wanted to be issued a weapon, wolf context is everything, and we don't have a lot of that here. What happens? Gloria? If Rosenstein is fired, we'll put up on the screen. We got a little succession chart that shows what what would happen, known Francisco, the solicitor general he's he would become the acting. Deputy attorney general and the acting overseer of of the whole Russia probe, yeah. I, I had on source, say to me today that it would make that much of a difference that franscisco would you know as a fine person and would would behave in much the same way as you know, is fine attorney and would would would not disgrace the Justice department in any way, but obviously at Rosenstein also, there's a question here and a lot of people on team Trump have been making the case that you know Rosenstein is a witness in this case, and that some say that it shouldn't recused himself from day one because of course his the one who wrote the memo about the Komi firing that Trump then took and used as the rationale for firing Komi and we know from our own reporting. And of course, from the piece in the times today that that Rosenstein was none too pleased about it. So he's actually a witness in this case. So what could also happen say, if there's no firing is that there could be a refusal say he could say, okay, I'm I'm out of it. I'm I'm out of the whole Muller thing. And maybe then that goes to Francisco. I just don't. I just don't know. Everybody's waiting to see what the president of the United States. For all we know fairly soon. Everybody stand by those an important deadline, this hour that associations over a possible hearing where senators will hear directly from the supreme court nominee Brett Cav enough, and Christine Blasi Ford, the woman accusing him of sexually assaulting her when they were teenagers standby for the very latest. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. 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Nominee Brad Kavanagh's accused the accuser, Christine Blasi four, but that pause and the president's good behavior ended today big time. It was only a matter of time after days of holding back on Christine, Blasi four, the woman accusing supreme court. Nominee, Brad Kavanagh assaults President Trump returned to attack dog form on Twitter saying, I have no doubt that if the attack on Dr Ford was as bad as she says charges would have been immediately filed with local law enforcement authorities by either her or her loving parents. I asked that she bring those filings forward so that we could learn date time and place. The president's language questioning if the alleged attack was as bad, as she says, came just moments after his own White House counselor. Kellyanne Conway was preaching restraint on CNN. Let her tell her story. There's new reason to attack president is defending his arm in each United States as a man of integrity tradition. Communcations the president's tweets. You come as no surprise. Mr. Trump was already sending signals on Fox News that he was finished biting his tongue. Why didn't somebody call the FBI thirty six years ago? I mean, you could also say, when did this all happen? What's going on? Giteka man like this and be starts with that being said, let her have her say, and let's see how it all works out. Republican Senator. Susan Collins, critical vote to watch on Kavanagh who's urged testify blasted the president's tweet. I thought that the president's tweet was completely inappropriate and wrong. Presidents verbal attack on Ford threatens to inject more poison into what's become a toxic nomination process grabbing by the all from a man who's fended off allegations of sexual assault for years. How will you Mr. Trump's comments make it all too clear. He's not backing away from his supreme court. Pick Brett cavern is one of the finest human beings you ever have the privilege of knowing or meeting top Republican in the Senate Mitch McConnell, clear to an audience of conservative activists that Cavanaugh will be confirmed even though Ford has yet to testify, you watched the fight, you watch the tactics, but here's what I want to tell you in the very near future. Judge cavenaugh will be on the United States Supreme court. Now, Ford's attorneys and Senate staffers are still working out the details of having some kind of hearing next week on all of this wolf a hearing. We're, of course, Brad Kavanagh would testify and Dr Christine Blasi Ford. At this point wolf. We're told that the way it shapes up right now of Ford would testify, I then cavenaugh and that there would be no other witnesses allowed to participate in this hearing, at least that's what the GOP proposal appears to be at this point. And of course wolf. There are concerns about what the president has been tweeting about today up on Capitol Hill. I talked to one GOP Senate staffer who said that the president's tweet about Christine Bazi for it was quote not helpful. Well, we're going to be hearing more presumably fairly soon from the president right. That's right. He has a rally coming up this evening and Missouri is another political rally like he had in Las Vegas last night. And as you heard during that rally and even in the pre game interview that he had with Fox News, he was he was moving in this direction of of going after to some extent the the accuser and all of this Christine Blasi Ford questioning her story and so on them wondering why she didn't go to the authorities thirty six years ago and standing up for a supreme court. Nominee wolf. We expect that to happen tonight as to whether or not he weighs in on this other big story today. And these allegations about the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, of course. Well, if that is something we're all waiting to see if he in fact, does decide to weigh in on all of that, we'll we'll sit enough Jim Acosta. Thank you very much. Gloria. Where do you think, where does all this stand as far as the supreme court? Well, look, I think in negotiations are ongoing. There was a deadline around now for the for team forward to get back to the Republicans on the committee and to work out the details of this. You're going to have. Hearing she doesn't want an outside counsel questioning her. She wants the committee questioning her, and I it could end up that way. The Republicans on the committee had raised the possibility of having an outside counsel, do it, do it for them, and the Democrats will do the questioning on their own who goes first, who doesn't. They're not going to be in the same room, how many cameras are in the room. I mean, all of that is going to be negotiated. I think the bottom line here is the both sides of very aware that they could each look terrible in all of this, and nobody wants it to turn into an Anita hill circus where seems seems to be the direction it's already heading and both sides want to be respectful to her. And the president's tweets did not help at all on his comments did not help. So I think they're going to be there trying to get to. Yes, it may take them a little while to get there, but I'm presuming that something will happen next week if they can, if they can do it done, deal your president, all of a sudden he was. Fairly restrained over the past few days. And all of a sudden he lets loose to that all of a sudden he lets loose today. And when you take a step back and look at this situation, I mean, I can't imagine there's going to be any kind of winner that comes out of this, and there's going to be moments where you're going to say, wow, there was a really big loser there and I and I think the idea that the president of the United States would weigh in in a way that would be discouraging to other women to come forward who have had these types of situations or even folks in my own church who have had issues with with pedophilia and not saying anything, but coming out twenty twenty five years later, look at what's going to happen. As Gloria says is she's going to talk. He's going to talk both sides are going to draw the line, come to their own conclusions, and then we're gonna move on. I mean, I think that's what's going to happen and I just don't. It's unfortunate that I don't think from from this learning moment that we're actually gonna learn how to deal with what are we gonna learn without witnesses without. 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All of the breaking news I were standing by to see whether Christine Blasi Ford met a five PM eastern deadline to accept Republican terms for a hearing on her accusations against the US supreme court. Nominee bread cavenaugh. It's quickly go to our congressional correspondent Sunlen Serfaty. So someone the deadline was about forty two minutes ago. There was an earlier deadline, Monday, ten a. m. eastern there were supposed to be a deadline today earlier ten AM eastern to see if there will be hearing on Monday that clearly is not going to take place Republicans blinked on that. What's the latest that you're hearing? All right now, what we are certainly standing by so much hinges at what happens at this hour at five PM eastern time. That was the deadline that the committee the Senate Judiciary committee set to hear back from Dr wars legal team, hearing back from the proposal that they made earlier today. Terms of the conditions when she potentially would come up here on Capitol Hill, how that would happen all of the logistics on how that would play out. So. At this hour, we are standing by potentially awaiting word at any moment from Dr Ford's legal team, whether they accept the terms or whether they come back with a counter offer, so so much hinges on the response that we are waiting for so far we have heard radio silence from our sources up here on Capitol Hill could tell you a lot or could tell you nothing at all. But at this moment is certainly worth revisiting what the potential sticking points the what the potential problem areas are for Dr Ford's legal team, including most importantly, the date of this potential hearing, as you said it was rescheduled from Monday. Now, the proposal on the table is Wednesday. Dr. Ford's legal team has been very clear. They want this hearing if she is to come up here on Capitol Hill to testify to happen on Thursday. Of course, also the order who gets to speak first the offer on the table at this hour from the committee is that Dr ward would testify I and Cavanaugh second. That is not something that Ford's legal team is interested in. They want her to get the last word, but that could be perhaps one of the biggest. Sticking points that certainly seems for many aids up here on Capitol Hill as a non starter. And lastly, of course, some debate over who indeed will potentially be asking the questions. A lot of debate about this among Republicans up here on Capitol Hill. The offer proposes to have outside counsel, some independent lawyer combat peer in question the witnesses that makes boards legal team very uncomfortable wolf. They feel that this would turn into a legal proceedings something they don't want to subject Dr four two. So a lot potentially coming together next few minutes or not at all, of course, so much hinges on these sticking points that has a potential to potentially derail this deal. As soon as you get word, let us know. We'll get right back to you. You know, Phil Mudd. This is a woman the the accuser professor. Ford led a private life, a university professor, all of a sudden she appears before the US congress next week in this session, either she goes, I or cavenaugh goes. I doesn't make any difference. Millions and millions of people are. Watching. She's already received death threats to her and her family. I can only imagine the torment she's going through. Right? Yeah. And there's two other strikes against number one. We haven't talked about this. How much time has judge cavenaugh spent in a situation like this and how much time is she? He's going to walk and having been in situations like this somewhat of quivalent I guess, to a hostile courtroom and he's going to handle how to handle it. I think that the way they posture themselves in American people are going to be looking at body language. He's gonna know how to hand with love better than the other thing. And I think she's right on the questions about investigation. This is not an investigation. You wanna talk to everybody. You can find who might have been there that night what they said about that and Ceram them surrounding circumstances. What happened at other parties? Was there a pattern of activity? I wanna go back to this decade and say, what friends and family did she? Did she tell are the stories consistent if there are discrepancies? Can we figure them out? None of this will be concerned. This is an awful predicament she's in right now. She's got a decide. She went public with the Washington Post, but going public hearing like this to lot different. It is a lot different. But really, I mean, the genie is out of the bottle. There's no way she can jam it back in her life is now gonna forever forever forever be changed. And in many ways changed for the negatives, she's going to be somebody no. Now, specifically to your point, if she goes and testifies before congress, I mean, we can still remember the images of Anita hill. We've been showing them the last few days as as a corollary to what happened back then while I'm Ed still seared into my brain. I mean, look, you got to hope that the politicians will this is not going to happen, but they will put aside politics for the sake of just trying to do the right thing, both sides as you say, this is not going to, I know trying to be optimistic here. All right, guys, everybody stick around. There's more news we're following including some very alarming new details about cyber attacks. Targeting members of the United States. Soccer fans. Are you? Tired of missing? Great UEFA games getting soul, crushing spoilers from friends, good news. 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Several US senators have been targeted by hackers who are working for foreign governments. Google is working with senators to combat the hacking, but tonight, cyber security specialists are on the lookout for potentially embarrassing information to be leaked out and for possible blackmail attempts tonight, members of the US Senate are on alert that their personal Email accounts have been targeted by foreign government. Hackers Google has. Confirmed to CNN the company warned specific senators and their staffers that their personal g mail accounts targeted, democratic Senator Ron Wyden who's aids tells CNN. His account was not targeted is sounding the alarm with Senate leadership for danger of foreign hackers. This is just a no-brainer. If personal accounts are low hanging fruit, the fact is if you look at twenty sixteen what you saw is the personal accounts, particularly of people like John Podesta and Colin Powell where the one that they went after I, because this is how you find out where people go, who they talk to CNN has learned the targeting of senators. Emails occurred in recent months, neither Senate aides nor Google would tell CNN which senators were targeted. But sources say, attempts were made at both democratic and Republican stabs, Google and Senate sources are also not saying whether any of the attempted hacks have been successful. Could they have been successful? How vulnerable our center. Personal g mail accounts, they could be successful on. Certainly, it depends on the individual member, congress and their staff, and whether they've done things like do use two factor authentication and done their best security practices, which foreign government is trying to hack senators. A Senate source tells CNN multiple nations are targeting people associated with political leaders and their stabs, Russian hackers nicknamed fancy bear commanded by Russia's military intelligence agency, targeted the Democratic Party in two thousand sixteen and then leaked embarrassing information. This fake EBay from Russian intelligence officers. Prosecutors say, tricked Clinton, campaign chairman, John Podesta into clicking on their fake link and entering his g mail. Password analysts say there could be a treasure trove of valuable information for foreign spies on a given senators, personal g mail account. One thing that you could do easily is come up with a social network, someone social network who their friends are, who their contacts are, certainly documents that you shouldn't have in your personal. Email account. We know that some people have done this in the past, how it some of America's enemies use that information. One thing that they could certainly do is find information that could be used for blackmail. The Russian Chinese and North Korean governments have all vehemently denied, trying to hack America's political leaders. But just last month, there was a separate episode. Microsoft announced it had thwarted part of a Russian military intelligence operation targeting the Senate and some Washington thing. Tax. Both are Brian. Thank you very much, Brian, Todd reporting. There's breaking news coming up discussion of secretly recording, President Trump, and working to have him removed from office by the deputy attorney. General rod, Rosenstein learning new information, ten. I.
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