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Let's marinate on that for a second would you the negotiation strategy here is the not even reach out to Brady Patriots Frank? Well it's amazing. I don't think Adam Karen and Jeff for saying this stuff if they don't have good information but I would also say this. We know about the relationship that Tom Brady has with the owner Robert Kraft. My big question is what about the coach? Your Bill Belichick. You're not gonNA hear anything from him and we know historically he always gets rid of a guy maybe a year too early as opposed to a year too late and the quarterback that he wanted started the super bowl this year. That being Jimmy Garoppolo says something tells me maybe the Patriots as well as Brady are both ready to okay when you hear not looking good you believe that. One hundred percent now not necessarily. I think this is still part of negotiation. I still think there's a chance because of the owner and his relationship with Kevin Black. Still where you on this well? I don't know where else Tom Brady is going to go. Which would better his chances of winning a super bowl then where he is right now? That's one of the things I continually come back and and think about. I mean of those list of teams that get thrown out there. The only one. That's really in the playoff mix. I would think would be Dallas. And they have a young quarterback so and all of this is in Tom. Brady's court I don't think we should read too much into this remember. This has been reported for well over a year. Now remember Adam. Schefter reported last year before the season even started about Tom Putin his house on the on the block and the trainer putting his house on the block and that this was a real a very real possibility and here. We are all this time gone past. And we're at this point where Tom Tom. Brady is being reported not talking to the Patriots. But what does he really talk to them about? Really his conversation as frank just pointed out would really. Just be with Robert Kraft. Here's what I'm thinking about. What are you there? Wasn't Adam? Schefter report Kevin that the Patriots hadn't reached out because they're waiting on my new. Cba to be agreed to or not. And I doubted that but you said to me just who seconds ago. That's what you're hearing elsewhere. That's what I'm hearing. That's what I'm hearing about. What Dallas is waiting for in terms of Prescott kind of what this new. Cba language is going to be everybody's kind of waiting them. Woody page and it's not looking good no I don't think it's looking at all. I don't think we know we're seventeen days away and even though people are speculating both ways. The only thing I can tell you is frie- forgive me. He's not going to the giants and they've been now thrown into the mix really after what they did last year in in signing a quarterback. And they're GONNA go after. Tom Brady not a chance of it. He didn't want to play for team. That's not having any chance going to super bowl but Kevin I wouldn't disagree with you. I think if you put him on a team like Indianapolis Colts for instance who had injury problems wide receiver last year. But that's a team that is in a division that he could win and a team that could go to the Super Bowl. I I'm not sure about Either the chargers or the the raiders. Even though I think they would be great landing spots for him because of what he could do to help those franchises in their new stadiums. But I don't think that's GonNa work and Ramona Shelbert. That's the headline not looking good. What do you? How do you hear that look? I think this comes to what Tom Brady wants. Right does he. Does he. Just WanNa feel the love from New England specifically from Bill Belichick. Does he want us is? We'll pay raise. Does he want to win there. In which case this could all be alleged play to just put some pressure on the organization to get him some more weapons around him because obviously he didn't have a lot to work with last year. There's a lot of leverage games being played here right now but ultimately it will come down to what Tom Brady wants if he wants to win. New England's probably still the best place but look at a place like Tennessee. Really growing people looking to place Indianapolis team. That's ready to win. So I think he's got other going Ramona Shelburne and hear that from blackstone or woody page frank last word after the horn there has been talk about maybe the giants. Dave Gallo went out and drafted Daniel Jones. I can't imagine they would do that. Plus if I'm Tom Brady go back to knowing that I know what I'm getting myself into. But you know what he's a star. His wife is a start. Where do you go if you're a star where Ramona is out in La and if he goes to the chargers there's been talk about part ownership? So maybe that would work. It would be less about trying to win the Super Bowl more about his post but Kenny do that. I always forget. Is that allowed can you? Can you go to a team as a free agent also be given stake as an owner of the team after after he was on the Patriots? Should he stay there too? We'll move on now late nights you guys excited to be on the field drills at the combine up until eleven o'clock tonight we'll be this year's vk metcalf is a question you're Gonna. WanNa ask yourself while you're watching that but while we get there what's happening right now. Let's start off with Washington here. Kevin Black you're there. They had the number of course last year. The draft a quarterback fifteen haskins this year. We've heard from new coach Ron Rivera that they're meeting with Joe Varo into a tangle by LOA. Kb is that due diligence or something more it is a fiduciary responsibility of the GM and the code to the team and the fan face. They are if you just put out number two. Everybody knows that burrow into the people that that other teams as well as chase young who happens to be from Washington D. C. Just like Haskins. So I think this is due diligence. Talk to those guys. Not so much to frighten or even motivate Dwayne Haskins but also to let other teams know what you've got. The bengals can only take one person at number one so one of those guys or or one of those three people is GonNa be available and they are people that other teams one. So why not if you need some cornerback? Help if you need some tight in help if you need some defensive line help why not see if you can't multiply that that to pick into multi? Okay but let us just rank the three that you just mentioned right now and the three point. Haskins in there as well CAC borough tongue about lola chase. Young call himself the best player in the draft and Zwane Haskins. How're you ranking those four players right now Kevin Blackstone right now for this team's needs I would take chase because what they need? They need an edge rusher after that it would be too after that it would be borough in terms of the people borough of people you get to pick but right now if. I'm them I listen to also would Ron Rivera. Said after that statement about those two guys he talked up. Haskins and what he sees again. We're going to have to see the rest of that for your book and your facetime on on this number. Pick what he paid us here. Never heard. I've never Kevin Beasley so excited about his football team since two quarterbacks in the draft to what you start with our position drafting a quarterback in the first round last year this year. That rarely rarely happens. I think what they're doing here in Rod Rivera. I think is the guy in charge of what they're doing is saying we are going to make it difficult for other teams to actually know exactly what we're going to do that. We have to. We might say we're open for that spot and you've got if you want to or you really will burrow and he's not going to number one overall you gotta come to us. They have not been in that position. Kevin in a long long time where they actually could control the draft early with. We all know they can pull the draft. The question Ramon if you could answer it directly as they have Dwayne Haskins should they be looking for another quarterback? Go ahead let. The cardinals did that last year. And I think most people would agree that they did the right thing they got Kyle Murray. They moved on from. Josh Rosen and I think they made the right choice with that Ron Rivera. The new coach. He's got to look at dwayne. Hassans is really the guy that I want to move forward. Because he's not the it's not the guy that he drafted is not the guy he developed. So I think it's a IT'S A. They have that to decide in front of them right now but why not play the leverage game? If you're in that spot at number two most people thought that discussion started number three Detroit Sola. There is one person in that organization that I trust. It's not the owner. It's the new head coach. He knows he knows good. Quarterbacks he went to a super bowl with Cam Newton. He if he's worth his salt what he's already done is watched. Every single play that Twain Haskins had less season I'll guarantees going into this with an open mind and they're in a great position and to question too is stay healthy. I would not be shocked if they do this. It's a clean slate. Ron Rivera Listening Mona. You brought it up. Last franchise to draft a quarterback in the first round and back to backdraughts was just last year. The cardinals did it with Tyler. Murray and it only happened once before that with the the colts who are Baltimore at that time sleater and elway back to back years in and of course elway didn't even play for them. We're GONNA move on now talk some. Nba Celtics one. Fourteen jazz. One zero three two teams going in complete opposite directions at the moment and Jason Tatum. What's changed with his game? It's like he's found a mama switch in the last at the same time the jazz. It's the notes that aren't there. Four straight losses winstar putting Mike Conley on the bench in the morning shootaround reporting that he changed his mind. Modane showing was benched and Roy. So neal started first Boston. Ramona is here to stay. And what's the team ceiling within playing like this like Jason? Tatum has been a different player since he was got that. Validation of being named an all star. He's got six thirty point games in February before that he had six thirty four games in his entire career. Like this guy is on some kind of run right now and I think I think he just believes he's the guy now. I think that all star selection was very validating for him for go solo. At one thing to the equation. That Kemba missed the last couple of games and tatum boost in everything. He's doing. So how sustainable. Is this tatum with his team. Oh I think it will be because I can't walker is that is a good teammate. And remember this to Jason. Tatum has been in a conference. Final in game seven. He played very well against the Cleveland. Cavaliers but go back a few years ago when they made that pick Danny ainge treated out of the top spot traded down to get Jason Tatum and got number one. Pick that got a first round. Pick out of it from Philadelphia Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum carries himself like a superstar. Devin black half. I'm glad you said superstar because maybe the hall of fame coach Brad. Stevens is learning now. How to use a superstar layer jason thing and letting him play. His game didn't handle it so well with Kyrie Irving we know. Kyrie's a different kind of guy but all of a sudden this Jason's team and he's taken control. Woody page well situation as maturity and confidence. He is more confidence in his shot. I think he's reaching his birthday next week. He'll be twenty two on March six and I think being picked to the All Star game playing there. That really made a difference but he's taking better angles to the basket. And I believe he went from being a Jag just another guy in the NBA. To being dug out I mean he got his birthday wrong march third. That's okay the the idea here though. That eight twenty one year old about twenty two year old. All-star is really coming to zone. It's almost like it's God's will might say which in a mock defeat there the break right here by yourself on the other side. The gra he's got. The apostrophe added the tattoo right baby in life. There are talkers and there are doers. 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Twenty twenty welcome back to around the horn brought to you by coming to you from the seaport district here. Seventeen Small Ball Mike. Rowe baugh whatever you WANNA call it. And they're trying to make micro ball catch on. I'm not sure if it's getting rockets. One Forty Grizzlies one twelve game for center Russell. Westbrook thirty three ninety four since they went small. They're not into shooting fifty three percent before the game. Job rant said Westbrook's been taken for granted. He's been highly disrespected. Ramona Shelbert. You buy your still best buying that. I think probably job. Morale was Was asked to certain question by my buddy to McMahon that. Got Him to say that. I don't think he necessarily would volunteer that unknown but Russell Westbrook is in his life cycle that we were stars where we build them up and they're really cool when they had the narrative working for them. So that angry thing that he's got that work really well right after Kevin Durant left but once they started losing and he didn't deliver in that spot in Oklahoma City and now he's in the Houston. It doesn't play as well. I think John Rounds on the phone their word and that gets deduction Joe. Yeah page you know. Paraded become our Goto wikipedia. Nba been having a lot of close as a rookie. However I think he is disrespected. I referees. He's got fourteen technicals. He's got into fights with the argument with fans okay. frank. I sold is about to lose his mind right here. But we'll move along the line I give him by stone and Wood Franken staking hockey disrespected. We celebrated this guy's being the triple double King of the NBA. He's been on all star team after all star team We even talked about how he was going to go to Houston and whether or not he was going to fit his talented in the Houston. Or whether hardens fittest talents with him. I don't think he's been disrespected at all. We celebrate Westbrook. Here's what I Sola please. Floors Yours John. Moran is being respectful to one of his elders. The media voted Russell Westbrook. Mvp The coaches vote them onto the all star team this year. The band and Oklahoma City. Love him he's going to have a statue there. You disrespected him. Kevin Durant when he left to go to golden state remember. The story started coming out to play it in like Russell. Westbrook all the sub tweet. That's where he might have gotten disrespected. Not by all right real quick right. The idea. That small ball makes him more effective player. You buying into that. The pocket rockets. I think it absolutely works. It opens up. Give my kids. Get behind over micro Paul there. We go frank. We'll move on fire sale to Yankees Spring Training. Not GOING WELL. Severino season over. Tommy John Surgery. That's basically two years in a row. He's missed stanton season. Starting with a calf strain which is to say stanton. How bad is a gun for staying with Yankees fans when the news crossed along with statements? Name trending Ellsbury name was threatening paid. Hang on for a second FRANKEN NEW YORK. I know he wants to start us off. There is this worse for the Yankees or Stanton. I Sola No. It's a lot worse for staying. There was somebody on this panel today. Who Win The trade was made? Thank Derrick Jeeter for Gifting Stanton to the Yankees. That was well. Thank you for reminding us he ever does is get hurt. He strikes out a lot and the fans any disappointment. They have I the Yankees. They take it out on him once again. Another injured Ramona Shelburne. Yeah he's got eight years at two hundred forty four. I've found that you still. Oh Man. Look you've played in eighteen games last year and you know you start getting these quad injury in the playoffs calf injury. Those muscle injuries. They don't heal all well. You come back Rian. Beginning Stanton will ever be healthy in his career going forward. I think with his body type and the and the type of injuries keeps getting. Yeah Yeah I agree with that He's had a lot of injuries and I do think. Even though we're not dr we tend to play one on the show that is body type is such that he's GonNa get a lot of strange and strains and hamstrings stuff like that but he did talk about him I. I don't blame the fans I mean. Here's a guy says spring training. You could've hit eight home. Runs in two thousand seventeen to feed pigeons coming. He had three home runs last year. That's all that's no wonder. Fan Blackstone Aaron Judge is the star that team. I think we all agree. But he was supposed to be another star on this team. That's what the Yankees do they come at star power to scarf out the star power. They have one without him. They will have to win without him going forward. He's not gonNA necessarily get better at his age. I don't know about his body type at his age injuries. The question is whether you didn't say it but what you're implying here is the Yankees one hundred and three games last regular season Severino. They can do it again this year but this I mean they play the orioles all the time down. Come on now. What is page gift? Blackstone get a front row seat to watch Ramona Shelbert Showdown Shelbert. I Sola Good luck and showdown grays flunks. Plop DRILL BOB. Anybody that is that's escrow spring training so far seven pitches doing seven hit by pitches. What does this mean Ramona? What are you reading into this? I think this is going to happen all year. Unfortunately I think Major League baseball is going to have to step in pretty quickly and start suspending. The guys who are hitting the Astros which ironically means pitchers are going to get suspended more games for this cheating scandal than any player. A- Las Vegas put the number at eighty seven. The Times are going to get hit. As woody page told me they might as well put it out one hundred sixty two. What's going to happen but I'm telling you this. This is going to be a brolin spring training because they're going to say enough is enough. I wanted what he pays lines he'd be here in showed. I'll give him the point. When he employed Shelbourne. We'll move on to emergency. She talked about this earlier in the week. I love this story. I gave out to anyone who oppose the story. Didn't see the joy and fun of emergency goalie and Dave bears being alleged for the Carolina Hurricanes. Now the Niche L. Apparently is on your side because there's emergency GM meetings or these normal GM meetings and they're gonNA send her modifying emergency goalie rule out. You hear that I'll defend him. Is he and myself. We loved the story too cute story. It's a Disney movie but it cheapens sports. Just use someone on the Rosser. Someone is listening to the show. Thankfully well look this. Is this never used to happen? And now it's happened twice in three years. I think they have to do something about it. Doesn't just get an extra player out there. Get an emergency goalie. Designation guys are ants at the picnic. What are you doing here? It's great. We'll move on showed up in big PAPI estate sale all right cancer student David Ortiz Hover Board or David Ortiz. Hp PRINTER WITH INK OR DAVID ORTIZ. Africa's rugby frog or Louis Vitton snow home. All this stuff there's very little baseball memorabilia on your by the way What do you want more than anything else poppies Ramona? I'M GONNA still lines to these. Got The treadmill he's got the cybersex obviously been lightly used right of a steal a Weber Grill and then I'll take the back that he used to get those two hits off of mary-anne when Boston that great comeback. I don't put that on the finally Bernie. Okay you know what you guys don't even deserve. Here's what we're doing all right. Throw at the record books page. Come back to me all your law. 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The 10 Most UNDERRATED drummers in rock and metal
"Lucchini rock and roll circus, Ludi hard rock and metal circus. You know, guys, we talk a lot about guitarists and singers and bands on the show, but this week we're going to focus on the guys and gals who drive the band's guys guys are sitting behind their behind all adequate -ment beaten the living. You know, what are those skins and keeping the band tight focused in time today? We are counting down the most underrated drummers in rock and metal stick around. You're listening to the Lou Dini rock and roll circus changing rock history. One podcast at a time. All right. Everybody. Welcome back. It is the Lou Dini hard rock and metal circus, a the, the flagship podcast of the Ledeen rock and roll circus brand, and speaking looney rock and roll circus. That is our website, Ledeen rock and roll circus dot com. Please check back often for lot of great podcasts. We are niching down. We are getting more and more focused as each week goes by on great deter driven rock, as our main driving force here. Hard rock, heavy metal rock and roll, the kinda music that's in your face and up your ass. That's what it's all about here at the loot any rock and roll circus hard, rock and metal circus tonight. We are we have some, some awesome stuff for you. I'm really excited because the power trio is back together. Keith hawk Hawkins is with us all the way from New Orleans. What's going on Kaethe or what's up guys everything? All right. There was nothing that already. But. What you drink tonight, buddy. I got the bird by bird is a word you love that must be giving every day. You're also. Law base. Got a buddy, sitting next to me in here live with me, not from New Orleans is our resident rock is story in lily, V6.. What's up lily? So, so. And what's going on view juice? You saw some good shows recently. I saw last night at the new Roxie and theater in mckees rocks. Inveigh mom seen, and how was that show? It was awesome. That new venue is really nice. It's really pretty the only thing that's of course, parking as most venues around here. But oh my gosh, lake they have like the seating. And there's like general admission pit general mission and balcony, not a bad seat and into the entire place and the guy let me down in the pit, you know, if you flirt with the security guy long enough that they let them drip, better number work. You have different equipment than me so different equipment. I liked that. Good one. All right. So us differently equipment abled people will try to keep it together in your presence. Why goddess of rock and roll here? And it was guys. We have a great show. We're going be talking about underrated drummers and we're gonna define a little bit what we're talking about. Exactly. We're going to kind of morph the discussion towards the end. I want to talk about something that is on my mic. Ethan. I touched on it a little bit on her Facebook posts this week, and that is this idea of session musicians and the guys that you John Q public doesn't know them, but they're on record after record after record. That's kind of a different subject. We're going to kind of maybe get into that. At the end. We'll talk a little bit about ghosting. If you don't know what ghosting is. I will explain a little bit later on. But we got the band back together. Okay, we've got Keith. We've got little. We've got Lou Dini. We're going to jump right in and play some great rock and roll for you. We're going to open up the show with a band from Pittsburgh that I just met this week a band called transcendence the subtract called never back down on the league. All the. Vacuum. In writing. Point. Now that is. I will. AM. Move. Put. Never. All right. That is transcendence transcendence from Pittsburgh. By the way, there's some other transcendence out there. We're not talking about those guys. You wanna go to transcendence for one, two dot band camp dot com. The track is right there that we just played can check it out. I love that. I met Darren it's funny Facebook gives you those suggestions by people. You might want to add his friends. So he, he kept coming up. He looked so cool. I was kind of intimidated for months and months and months to add him as a friend of mine. This guy is on par. He just looks like it's such a bad ass. But I said today last night, I was somewhere. I was bored gonna add this guy. He's coming. He's got this picture pictures. You know, and immediately not only for immediately message me all. Thank you so much Radames. Okay. Just like then I found out who the band was and got into newly do. Only by very special request, so drums, drums, drums. I don't wanna work. I just wanna bang on the drum all day. Do you hock? That's what hock does man man work. Show or so. I saw some photos on Facebook. What you've been doing. Tell us a little bit about black, Laura. What's going on quit? The blues lives on the last Wednesday. That was pretty fun. I mean it was. It was a private party for the IP ticket holders for the fighters concert. They were in town last Tuesday and Wednesday. Thursday have live. I we play black laurel. The original ban would play their first night, put you in the small room. People reading Dennis kinda weird actually 'cause you're playing like kinda loud rock, and like people in suits and this different shed that got like these, you know, upgrade these tickets and the think it's ridiculous that because it's small freefall venue, but people in this dining room eating and they're like pretty well dressed, and then a couple like, you know, rockers come traveling and drink ten dollar shots at the bar and go out that it was fun, though. I mean it was it was a little bit more. Booed that I would liked been, but. It was a it's a court also blues venue. It's got like several different rooms, were smaller rooms have like the camparis up there from the smaller, you know, little private party room. But it's like a couple of shows air, and it was a lot of fun man, just to say you play there or whatever have good rupture. You don't really have to, you know love too much around at a drum kit, and everything there. So it was fun. Awesome. I wish we had a house of blues here. Okay. So before we get started on this. I just want to kind of strut all on the same page. We understand what we mean by underrated. Underrated doesn't necessarily mean unknown. We're talking about guys that, like, maybe even know who they are. But maybe you don't for whatever reason consider them in the pantheon of the great drummers. Okay. So that's a no. No Neil peer. No, John von them. None of the big Dave Grohl, none of the none of those type in no Bill brew for or, and those kind of guys because those guys like everybody knows everybody knows they're wildly heavily well respected. So what were you trying to talk with just like we've done with tar players and singers. And the guys they're like, really good. Very, you know, have really unique style, or whatever we keep expand on his way better than me the second, but aren't necessarily people, they don't do we wanna give those guys do so without further ado, Keith. Why don't you get in? And I don't if you want to expand what I just said. Or if you wanna just get right into the top ten he went about. But go ahead. It was a little baby. Confusion read all the posts, and those, I've really agreed with them. Always willing to learn about new drummers Wasserman checkout what they got going on. I think that sometimes people were known well in the drum community, but not known well to the everyday fan got. But I, I mean I hate to say, but I mean it was a couple of into Cal on their Kelly cover on the planet. There's different different subjects we talking about drummers Vinnie than everybody else who say I mean, he's, he's that good. So say he's underrated. Like I said, my wife knows been Kelly is in her musical cue is a well, she's also married to, like awesome of all the little more tuned in than been he. Yeah. But she doesn't really follow that kind of shit even though it's he's just been he'd been on so many like Hillary. Corey play with somebody killer musician it's kinda hard. Here the guy. But let him. It could be one of things that come into Scott kind of always. So who are, so let's go had you got list. I'm sure of guys. You feel underrated. Haven't gotten there do fill in the blank, whatever. So why don't you we'll we'll get to with the fans talked about a little bit later on. So what is, let's go ahead because I really interesting. Would you have to say about it for those of you? That don't know those returning to any rock rose, by the way, we have some newest as we are now part of classic ninety two point three so welcome. But this is heard show last week this week is how the real show goes with the all three less Keith is a fantastic musician of taught teaches drums, Todd jumps for many, many years as well as performed professionally all the time. So he knows the subject sideways. So that's why we're having Keith really kind of expound on this, but we'll get to what the fans thought later, I wanna know what? The expert in the house has to say. So if you want to start with your list of maybe expand on, who you gotten tell us why. Go ahead. I'm gonna call. We'll be ready here, the expert on his way. Well, here metal Hank expert still on for he jumped ship, and went on with fog, our something but. To me. There's a lot of different categories that you've been like say, oh, this guy does this fettered if better. I don't want to make impatient thing. I like drummers for different reasons. But I think that guy's that capture certain like creativity and songs that have been in band, where be from pop to meddle disputed, hard rock and everything in between the first I'm gonna name here. They said it's particular order, but these, these guys are all have set them to be because they make the song better with their creativity. And the first God, I'm gonna put on my list is Larry Mullen junior from you to that metal band, or a heart Rafa, but they're great rock band rock eat off different to Sunday, bloody Sunday's up into the way he is the palms on with without you to pride in the name of love. The guy has very keen ears to what makes us own work. And he's rock-solid player. Ever seen them lob amazing player. He doesn't overplay plays with perfect for the song, and he never strays away from the idea of what the band brings to him. And he's always been right there. That's why that Trump's who's been occupied by that guy since day one, and he will always die in that say because he is that talented where you don't see him on a cover of every frigging, nobody likes to like thought about these guys like some people are so upset with, like all the fastest hand got the facet that he plays pair of three hundred beats minute. I can care less. I wanna hear a good groove on here. Why why he does after the songs and Larry Mullen junor is very underrated player in a great iconic rock band. But a lot of people probably like that, doesn't it on Canadian name the rhythm section of that guy is on his game all the time. So you got Larry Mullen junior on the list Lilly. Did you put together some safe? Do have a list list as well. So we're, we're going to do is we're gonna work, let these two kind of go back and forth a little bit would he got? I just want to elaborate a little bit on what Keith saying I feel like a lot of drummers on my list that I've chosen our overshadowed by other members of the band, so that's sort of thing. But I'm gonna go with Glen Sobel. He's officially announce Cooper's vans, twenty eleven but he's played with so many people motley, Crue, Hollywood vampires Richie sambora. He's been he's been basically a house band member forever. And he's played with slick so many people, and I think he says, super talented but because he started like a house ban person like, nobody really knows who he is. Unless you say, oh, it's the drummer for Alice Cooper's band, like he's even played with Aerosmith and cash. I mean he's he could do so many different things. So that's why I chose him. And so one of my. All right. Who's who's next on your list, Keith? Actually interrupts that's great pick because he was actually was gonna put him down because I watched that that documentary on Netflix that hired gun, and he's on there being interviewed about all that. He's had played with the model different artists, and he was like some full only. He could be flashy and it can be solid. He can do a lot of things. Definitely a really good player so that the guy that I think speaks to radar there, another guy for me that totally off the definitely going to the hard rock vein here. But this is another guy, I think doesn't get enough credit for drumming like I that I like me and nice filthy grew when it comes down to this band, all about that this guy, and I might be having his last name, John Paul Glaser, or Glasser from clutch is an amazing and really group. Drummer guys creative to solid is drums, always sound great. As cool technique, never really overplays kinda almost takes like a swinging almost John Bonham and swings it a little bit. It's almost like drop on them. Born in New Orleans, kind of like a very cool swing to his playing, and he's probably in desert fluence, but he definitely has play that we have good hand technique, and as group is really solid. But that's God, I think should I can't even to guys in the another guy that's been banned for a year as a longer than people think bands have been around and it's just that kind of more cult following thing on. But that's a guy that if you don't know that is the dummy, check out, great Bantu yet, a cool, really cool, vibe Lil. Lilly. Many say on my list, I'm actually going with Roger Taylor from Queen. I know people know who he is. He, he did have a unique drumming style. And he did write some of the hits under pressure and radio Gaga. But I feel like this is an example of they did not people did not go to the show to see Roger Taylor. They went to the show to see Freddie Mercury. So I kind of feel like he got pushed into the background even though they know who is, but they really pay attention. They really understand. Yeah, it'll tell thank you. Yes. Keith you comment on Roger Taylor. Do you want to? Would make my list also Antilles agree with that, that have been, Freddie was the kind of attention the ban. But if you look at another as great as pretty Erkki is as great as he was Roger ten to north of Sanger men doing. But rather Taylor. That's the thing about that bands people don't realize all for them. Goes guys sang really frigging saying. Cars. That's always. I liked what he got. He got hock are just wanted to know the one more bit more of a modern guys all it. Kids up and fertile young and, and this band, who have buehner games, only two guys. So I'm gonna go with next one. Ben Thatcher from Royal blood skied. This kind of lays on a nice solid pocket and plays simple, but affective drum parts that are always perfect for song, another guy that just captures the song and being in the bay, where he only plays drums, doesn't really sing, not that I ever seen and only one guys playing bass and singing. And one of those guys falls off the other gonna be can train wreck real quick. So those to keep together like that. So Ben Thatcher should give more credit? And maybe people don't have been Thatcher's another one. Royal blood cool to peace Van Gogh checkout, bent out. You're in Dade stages rock. Great band, Dev. Roy can kick ass. Do let's before we go to lily's next pick. Could you a quick look at fac- book and see who might be partying with us? We have a snooty Heemskerk, Dan Swindon's. Chris thunder will, of course, Doug Flynn Phillips, Charlie Doyle is that's it. Okay. Nobody really made a comment on the actual subject. Okay. All y'all out there. We'll get a tag if you people might be not knowing where we are tonight. We'll do the next song. But good Lou once you, warmer, picking. We'll go a couple good. I'm gonna go with Joey Kramer from Aerosmith, again, another one, whose overshadowed by Joe and Steven they're very many media heavy band. So obviously all the media's going the two front guys of the band. I think they're extremely rhythmically charged. He brings he brings a quite a variety to all the songs that because they do seem to switch, it up with music. So he like he can do the heavy metal thunder. He can do he can do jazz. And then he also was a part of when let's go from, like rocked her up. So I think he's extremely talented nobody ever ever talks about, Joey Cramer though, in any sort of list of drummers other than true through interject, one second through thinking in an interview years ago, monitor Magli private clauses, beginning at all. But in modern Gummer magazine years ago, they were talking about the most underrated players never pocketed. Dennis champion of all time he meant to. Kramer by name was doing Kramer never used the credit that he deserves some Dennis gives a blessing. That's all right. With me. Some of the great group walk this way. I mean that's like this one by calling from group of all time. You know, I think he's awesome. Well, I mean it isn't all let's talk about this a little bit because. It isn't necessarily about technique. I mean we've talked about this with guitar same rules, kind of apply. You know, a great cars isn't necessarily the guy could play the fastest or do the most praised period. Ethnical Gent thing you know, I mean, there's guys that are very understated like Mike Campbell from the Heartbreakers who play solo with coup frigging notes, and send chills up and down your spine so rumurs. It's the same kind of thing like it doesn't necessarily have to be about, you know, solos and stuff like that. And some of these guys are just like that. That opening drum. Riff. To walk this way. Like I mean who doesn't like immediately start start doing that? Like as soon as the song comes on your. I I remember like sitting at the lunch table, you know, are like waiting buses coming in the morning. And somebody having that on a boombox everybody playing air drums to that. Like. Dumb stupid kids, like, don't know. They're asking holding around were rocking out that great beat. And so there are things like that, that, that Adrover brings the ban some sophis- subliminal like you mentioned key heath about. John Paul glazier from clutch the way he kind of like plays it swings the beat a little bit that gives them that kind of unique feel so it. Fairly, like anything crazy and being flashy playing down or whatever. To though I love chops drummers, and I'm working practice pads and speed on Trump kid. I just find myself really gravitating in most of the time towards Gaza really capturing nice pocket in an ice groove. And I mean that's nothing wrong with like, you know, I heard people on the list mentioned like poma slang, and Harry fuzzy. Oh, I mean, Perry gray palm slang workshops than a lot of people. But I don't really impressive. But I mean many hits home Biddle. You know where, you know, you'd you take someone like Bill Rudd for Macy's or Charlie. Watts they played to import entire time and have made a career out of it. Ask you fill rut. Is he on your list? I think of people know who feel rutta. Risque by the young brother through though, around going on Scott even got. Vonk Puffer now's was when he was alive. So let's go back to one more back and forth. You do one more leaders limo will play another song. So, so what do you got Keith? For me. I'm gonna go with a another guy that's probably gets not enough attention here. But skies from another modern guy, I wanted them will all there's way more than ten, but I'm trying to narrate down the guys that I think are some current and some not to occur in this guy is. In other thickly newer ban. This is Dominic our from us. I think is really tight player. Sounds really good again, abandoned three piece fan. That, that with power trio thing that wants one little thing falls apart. It could be be long nights out. And he's very like. Interesting when his that he can him. And he's very powerful when he plays. And I think that he. Maybe doesn't get, you know, definitely gonna credit. He was are, but that's got onus covered within the last three or four years. But if someone that I will listen to their music, and I would be like the drum group is cool that, that one part of interesting. He can pick out like very cool. Textures resolve. I like that about, that's my favorite comes stuff. My favorite kind of playing you know. Lil, excuse me. I'm burping into the microphone I have on my list, because I have to have a female Samantha Maloney from whole. I really like her. She's been drumming. She was fourteen. I don't necessarily like the band hole, but I like that she can jump in and fill in on motley Crue with whenever Randy cassia was sick at the time. And Tommy, obviously wasn't in the band at the time, and she also has other project projects as well. Like e e eagles of death metal peaches, Chelsea girls. She also manages a band called cherry bomb, she's in eagles a death. Yeah. She worked with them. A she's like officially say because she might have been a phone for that, too. But she also wrote music for documentaries and movies. And of course, all the percussion part. So I think she she needs to get her do as well. Okay. So, so far we've been talking. So we're gonna have way more than ten. But that's okay we had to start somewhere. So I'm gonna run him down real quick before we play the next band. We started with the with Keith's first pick very Mullen junior of you to then lily Glen Sobel of Alice Cooper van and other bunch of things. John Paul Glaser Glasser from clutch. Thank you. Keith. Lily's pick was Roger Taylor from Queen kief came back with Ben Thatcher from Royal blood. If you guys heard Royal blood, I've been listening, octane all week, and I've not heard Royal blue one time, I don't know where they're being played. They should be playing being played over the frigging amazing. Then we had Joey Kramer from Arizona. Thank you, lily Dominic Howard key. Thank you with muse. And then we just talked about Samantha Malone Maloney Maloney, from whole fed hall. You said this is a band called bad marriage. It's not just like a relationship problem. It's actually a band now go figure. Check them out, guys. We'll be right back. Lucchini heartbroken. Circus. Now. Diablo. By bad marriage, guys. And let me go ahead and give you the way you can find bad marriage to say it sounds like a double under Admiral musing dot com. Does a great name? We talked about doing a show on and names. Yeah. And there's some there's some that are absolutely terrible. There's a lot of bands that have terrible names became really famous. Yeah, you know, but there's a lot of bands like, really cool names, too. But like one of the band's that Ted has that is terrible name is eagles. I think it's just. Names ever forbade, but in any case, that's cool name bad, Mary to get a bad marriage music dot com eighth. What about lean? Yes, that's a great name. It's like cook quirky. Their music. You know they were named like some real like from both. Yeah. That's right. Right. So it's perfect. So let's get back. We're talking about drummers guys, we kind of trying to get the guys that, like, don't give don't get their due. We'll talk about those guys and you know give them some props tonight. We have our expert drummer in the house, that Keith Hawkins, who is drummer extorted all around grid position. I've, I've worked with on a few different projects. As well as our resident rocket story lily, B six. So these two have been kind of like I've been just kind of relaxing, and letting these guys kind of do their thing, so Keith. Well, she got on your list. Witching up sticking to list. But I'm gonna go with three guys that are way heard of but mocking to offering one. But I'm next repick have guys that they are heard of definitely community probably outside for their namesake or what they who are related through, or who they play with the three my Bill to figure out the three I'm gonna go with starting with the first one. I'm gonna go with Zak Starkey do not do not know his act Starkey is. Is it over who? But he's also Ringo Starr, fun he replaced. Kenney jones. And but. You always live in the key moon, shadow, but not no, people love Keith moon. I like myself that takes inner Keith moon like that spirit of his that busy lot of failed. But I think he just kind of restrained point worth lot more solid, if you ever hear some like lavish does or obscene Lou with Zak Starkey, he definitely brings the moon energy with a little bit more restrained and better sense of timing. And I think that he captures what the who how pipe who can be without like I said, we all love Keith men. He's Lynn by restaurant assault. But, you know, done shit that only made him more of a legend, but at the same time, it's got to try and Kearns unbel- thankfully. That star he's a hell of a drummer, but being, Ringo son, and then having replaced a legend, and then we'll get into some other ones that no matter what he does, but he's really good player. Maybe just overshadowed by the fact that he unfortunately, is for him, not as well received. No sign of Phil really big shoes. And he's doing awesome job. But because he's filling big shoes, people don't really put it together. That Lau I've never really heard him play out that the who. So I'm only does it for happy, sounds congra- planets versing. There's a track that I. Maybe you're familiar with Roger Daltry had did a solo album in the early to mid eighties. And I believe that to track the album called under raging moon and the title track has a drum duet at the end of it with Zak Starkey, Jason Bonham. Are you familiar with the song? Haven't heard really young? So this was even before Jason had really couldn't even come into his own. He's the guy who I think everybody can agree really got better over time. After the Live Aid thing, he cut the shit for that. But kinda got God lot god-like better. But that's a very tricky to check it out. But the two of them were kind of trading off at the end is during the fade out and song that p Townsend wrote his dedication to keep moon and for for Roger Sola, and it's kinda coolest things like the who did, not the who. If you never heard should just check it out. I think it just for like interests. I don't know how. Thing I'm talking to drumming so amazing. You might listen to it and pick it sucks. No, I'm sure I'm sure degrade. I mean they're both really really good players. Then basically what you remember like with the name of the track is under a raging moon that the actual tracking all time. Wrong. Chance. Check it out. So what do you got little some to go with on my list here? Mitch Mitchell of the Jimi Hendrix experience. He does like sort of a which I didn't know who he was until I read about him. But I wanted to do the drummer, he's he does like jazz fusion meets psychedelic rock. He. At the I think of the air, he was probably one of the more prominent drummers. Like the song manic depression. I love that song. And he's it sounds awesome on there. Never really got off the ground though, because Jimi Hendrix passed away and band kind of went away. Mitch Mitchell do after the Jimi Hendrix experience. As far as I know he, he had had no momentum. But I don't know if he was in anything else, but it said like when I was reading about it. He had lake no really much drive to do anything else after that banned everywhere. Meshwork adult. I mean he probably had project, you might have had a solo project or something. I'm definitely that's where under under. Fortunately think he's underrated. I think people who is. But I mean that's been who he is, then that's the word of thing. Anyway, the Germans for Jimi Hendrix. Depression. One of his, you know, founder works that he's definitely it's kinda lifted our flaky song. But I mean it's the it's great. It's a great drum part. He's definitely got that jazz influenced like a lot of guts. But. Yeah. He's a great place. One of my, he's probably one of my favorite drummers era. Hit him in Bonham the pace of the world. And those guys that I think I've grew up listening to and still idolize. Absolutely. So what you got next hawks. Ter-. We're going to say Jason Bonham just because the fact where he is a son of the credit from revealed quote meal net. It's kinda as good as Jason is sound great option play with you know, four hundred thing for a long time yet his own bam. Bonham actually seeing that video of him play a drum like Trump Pat, like an octopus with Sammy Hagar on how research, if you ever never see that pretty full actually, replayed like Trump like sales circle. Is he the drummer note was having is who's that's Sammy's latest ban yet? So I wanna go see like super is Jacob. Often who say the Victor Jonathan I was asking 'cause I know that they had worked. No, it is Jason Bonham because he was on Howard Stern show. And he told this crazy story about check this out cave. He told Howard starring that when he was like, just like a teenager the Jimmy page gave him like a pound of cocaine for his birthday. Oh, and then like the next day there was all this stuff like going out in the media like him like trying to like backpedal and retract what he said and everything like the Pacino. It's fucking true. You know that was a whole. To me we love. You're, you're you're in God. I call on guitar. They'll try to try to be the don't try to be a role model fucking role model. Jason Bonham on their also work with black country. Communion played with Ladas blunt lot people. Great. Fouth any basically. Sounds great. I just think like I said, I'm not then this is something bid defect work. His last name Bonham gives him that sort of popularity that he received. But at the same time, his, he's always gonna be under that shadow man stop. Artie Sark you saying what? Yup. It leased. It leaves. Zach knows not the not the call himself sack star. But all right. So what? So what he got little. I'm gonna go ahead and through my other female out there, and it's going to be Meg white. And I don't really care what anybody says, I think she's awesome. I know she simplistic, I know it's like it's not like crazy or anything but. I didn't hear what you said, only watch implicit. Well, yeah, but I want I like the girls. So basically, she tried drums once of her husband's and just decided they just decided for a ban because she actually had a little bit of skill there. Obviously. She's both praised and criticized are she's on a lot of the worst lists. I don't really care. I think she I think playing to crowds. Thousands with our popularity was like awesome. So I kind of feel like maybe she's not the worst there. There's some there's a. Anybody can Thuc up and there is a great video of IT. They're playing I think playing elephant achey thump, or seventy army or something and. There. And Jack white is not even in the same, as like he's playing the wrong song comes so off. It's just you could find guys find on YouTube. It's absolutely fucking areas. She's just back, they're doing thing, and he's like, you know, an crowd is like get people are looking. I mean, they're all face out of mind, but they're all that's fucked up. Like even stoned people. It's on wrong here. So, anyway, so lily, maybe US ailing back. I know you make white fan. I'm not I don't fault rummage, man. That's the thing I don't want someone you know, I'm sure love in my playing at my toy was Charlie watches him place. They can he'd made it bring career out of it. You know what I mean? Go rudders guys that have been very simplistic. We love video guys have to, like nothing dumbed. They're playing down Mick week. Woods made up a great pretty good career, for himself playing solid pocket music. But there's a lot of guys that, you know. That have made millions of dollars but Lang simple. Backbeat me. I mean, the simplicity odd never really been a fab in the ban was cool. I like all the other work way better. He's actually these drummer with that weather, but he's actually he can play a little bit. Maybe he's very talented. I mean, but the white stripes, probably my least favorite of all his work, and that kind of is lost in the shuffle. We're fucking listen to the music. I can really I got you other than says, who we're going to kind of try to wrap this up just a few more. So wh who else you got on your list, Keith? I think you know. The one that is going to. Live in shadow, this guy's probably popular and drums, Herkules. And he's probably die hard fan and Abani with no, he is. But like I said, again is just on my opinion of it. I think that Taylor Hawkins, don't get enough credit for being such a great player winning a ban with Dave Grohl. What people think that he's probably the best drummer. But it's the same time. Gross. High on people's list of like Rochman in girl is awesome. The Taylor Hawking's really drummer things. Sometimes like that's why put the three up their days. Bottom Zak Starkey and dealer hawking. All three great players around. Right. All three or lived under shadows of. Different elements of whether it I'm related to a guy that was Ramar my dad the guy that was the most popular bit of all time that drummer in the band the other half of one of them was like on Gummer's. They're all like they all have kind of held micro thing and Taylor's gray player. I mean it's there be sound. Release lick Nissan's gray man stuffing up thing he's. Any better worse than than role of like to get into that little one day. But at the same time I talk about it. We're here. That's one thing where a lot of people think that they've done knocking to same about the Roth Dave rolls like a modern day on Dave role brings it man. Like when he plays he's, he's looking plan like they've rolled on have one speed when he planned drum, east Ronin down the entire time, he's playing he's joking around his dynamic, he hits the drums like, you know, like you're going to get, you know, you can feel it when he's playing like gonna punt Uniphase precept of these come with everything he has, and he's a great front man in his own, right? I mean, I love the super great band think Taylor. Doesn't get the the his credit because he's in a band with girl when I would probably do the same way. Like what do I gotta do to get my credit? I think a lot of drummers give him credit. But I don't think that the average person or someone just. Like vomit. I think he's a great drummer. It's like day, roll worse worse than fucking vulne. He's way better about since then, you know, well, thing is playing was bad interval. But it just way more simple than shitty doing Queen to the phone. You know any of that stuff. He does the side projects, he's doing well also we should mention to Taylor is a has a great voice is a songwriter, very quoted rod Rivera, Roger Taylor, like modern day, Roger, Taylor net where he can sing his ass off, as zone side product, reasons, and these surveys of really good drummer, I think deserve more credit than when he gets. Yeah, yeah. I like I like the ban that his project, the Kotel riders this man, Klay. Rondo and he can sing is often. He's, you know he's a great player. I mean. Atlanta's Morissette's band. So what like he was like starving on the street when a twenty Potter? He was playing Atlanta's morning sent. So he wasn't like, you know, it was straggling anywhere the bucket on the street down on bourbon or something. Okay. We're just couple more lily, when he got Tommy, Ramone, I think, is underrated drummer. I mean, he was the drummer for the first four years of the Ramones, but he was basically thrown into it because nobody else really wanted to do it. And again, another simplistic no-nonsense kind of drumming style. And I just don't think he gets the credit. He deserves for being one of the most influential punk bands out there. So, yeah, I mean, there's one of the grandfathers of punk. Held up to big STAN produced. That was kind of cool and do not know that he was also producer. Do you know what do you know about Tommy, Ramone, you have any other they wanna fill in any gaps on that? Or do you know? Oh, he wrote most of blitzkrieg bop, I forgot about that. Most not all. It's. Wrote the blitzkrieg. He wrote the part me. Molly would since he's the gun you. Hawk. It I think doesn't get enough credit. Any does the studio work. Some of ready, even though he's loans would released but any played in a band will call it wanna Maynard teens other bands. He plays drums inappropriate circle. Where did I don't know if he's still currently there might be Josh freese? If you've never heard of this guy got super skilled men and has played with pump in the bangles like a fall, you know, like kind of an alternative punk bands. He was playing on this session worked for remember. Averil levine's. I record. He said he didn't even know what Ellie was on any record jump tracks. Next thing you know, cruising down the street, and there's his drum tracks like little pup zones. He had, so he's not a lot of studio where you're freezing, and he sound great in purpose Arkell. But another guy that might you know, Mainers Aban with data carriers puck and heavyweight in the metal community. So again, he's definitely metal Akron and in one of his main or did. You know, he's yet as shit. But features a great player in his own right? And I think that he's, you know, another guy might rate or there is can really play. The we're gonna do do one more each. I actually don't have anymore anymore, KiKi one equity went close ally. You wanna. Actually one and listen, put him in on an order, which is point I have one that I think who would that we put on every list. For any underrated drummer disguise is the king of unrated drummers, don't get shit for credit as much as I should. That's Matt Cameron Soundgarden and Pearl. Jam's. The great. I mean, the guy could just groove his ass off. You can eat on time for breakfast and spitting back out. You don't care. He made Pearl Jam instantly who have three hundred Gummer go. Thanks. You made Pearl Jam instantly sound better. There's some rappers from labs. She would Pearl Jam with certain drummers and it's like kind of loose. Not real good, but it's not deeper that shouldn't in rain that into where they're playing off a ham, and he's riding he's driving on that one. Well, you know, we've talked what does before over drinks that aband- with a bad, drummer is a bad band. Phone, the app that this at simple, you know, you're just it's just. You can't have that it just the most the key member. I always feel like if you've got like a really great front man and a kick ass drummer, you got something, you can work with you can build on that, that, but you gotta have those two. You know that, that, that, that's what people that you'd ever shadowed. Why like in front men? That's why on the left, you wanna live say, I agree wholeheartedly with the, the van halen's at a world are, you know, guys that were shared the same name as an iconic guitar player in, in the ban are daily rob and replaced by semi frigging Hagar. So it's like maybe Alex, get the credit he deserves rally Halen viewing, I would, I would he would be on my list, is well, that's somebody, I was thinking of, was alexan- Halen just for that exact reasons like in. It's like we talked about, when we talked about his license license in the band with, like, he'll, and Getty Lee, and so people Alex bad ass Qatar player. And it's the same way is insanely alexan- Halen. You know, he's in his band with, you know, these conic frontman, and, of course, Eddie inhalant, who's arguably the most influential guitar player of all time next to Jimmy Hendrix. And, you know, but Alex is good. I think he's great. What do you think? The inhaler. What am I, I? When I was playing kid pick up like. Van Halen, like eighty nineteen eighty four or something like dive down or something. And just try to like play alone out playing right? But I was trying to play along to the tracks that had a lot more gunman wasn't like as a kid, I was and hot for teacher. My first take you know, but really wanna know. No, that's, that's an illusion phone, who's your biggest influence Keith as drummer. For rob drumming Joe Bonham. And I think that. I respect a lot of drums on bottom. Prime made me star playing drums said a jazz drummers buddy, rich. Okay. We're gonna way are going to play another track. And I'm gonna come back and this is a couple of tile on some of these players that are playing on. On a lot of records that you like and you don't know you think the band is playing kiss, and it's really amazing session is we're gonna come back. We're going to kind of wrap up with that here in a minute. We also want to give a quick shout to the folks that come in on our Facebook because this was a wildly popular really was topic this week on on our on our Facebook, so. At the next six months. You gotta buddy. All right. So this is a band called, American bombshell, money money on the liquor American bombshell, leukaemia hard rock middle circus. Come in. Face. American bombshell. My money is on the liquor. American bombshell dot net. We started off the show with Pittsburgh's own transcendence transcendence for went to band camp dot com. Bad marriage. Also, we had bad marriage. It's bad marriage music. And that was American bombshell. 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So what you guys do not realize is there is an in UK, I try googling this and what I googled, it all could was banned ghost. But it's called ghosting and it isn't just session, musicians playing with, like people like beyond say or paying or whatever we know that those are, are bringing in the top session guys, a lot of your band that you love aren't playing on their own records, and they're bringing in guys to ghost. And what that means is, they'll bring a guy in like Steve Gadd, or Vinnie Calcutta or somebody like that. But they he won't get any mention they will Bill it as if. Whoever Peter Chris played drums on the record and they do. They do the whole band. And this is something that kiss. They, they hit this for many, many years, eventually came out, and gene Simmons admitted it in his book that they brought in session. Of course he. Blames it? You know he is. But it's a very common thing that happens. So a lot of musicians you think you like. Are aren't really those guys. It's it's total fake bullshit. And guys like that. Doing. So we're some of that, like guys Keith that are planning drums, these days. Maybe even on classic tracks. That may be our listeners, don't know them, but they love the songs. We just the pain of recording help lanes. Dad within allows up for month or so help Wayne was everything in the nineteen sixties seventies, any hits all on radio wrecking crew was probably on it. You might not know like. Might be the mamas and Papas or birds or you know all the voice thought he was on. I mean if you go and Google hell Blaine and his little the United, this offer fee and all the stuff on. You have one have columnist like around, because it's going to be a lot of. I mean doing on everything and anything on radio. You know that big intro of be my little baby always the fascinating one for him. One is signature drum tracks in beginning their of, you know in the intro. Some really cool stuff on the beach boys records, but in all the moms in the birds he was all over the radio. Any radio hit was most likely probably help laying back in the sixties and seventies, it was like most of thing, a lot of stuff house, billing Vinnie. Cal Yuda Steve Gadd. These are. A lot of stuff in Vinnie been on from Joni. Mitchell to megadeath been to make that though. You know, and everything in between many complaining thing it's just where he's at bit on a lot of like I said, you know, we're getting the point where the name a couple of homes that are definitely not in their rock Giana. Rub. But I mean songs like the hustle, remember the hustle, or you make me feel like dancing by Leo Sayer. Get on it. Dance hall of that. What he he's the guy that plays that amazing intro to put everybody. Your lover, right. Bazeley lover lady on a whole of and a lot of stuff that, you know, you might not notice guys on played with on, on grade plain when on James favor with an Alaska and fifteen twenty early on Clapton. Voter Kloten for years. I mean I don't know nowadays. But yet these guys on a lot of them in, in the studio video stop these done a ton of studio where, you know, more than I can name trust me on. Let me ask you a question again. Let's throw a couple of people at you. And you tell me what you think, because these are some people that came up on a Facebook post, and I wanna give all the people Bill. Dummy, Jason Pinkney. Dan Cade, Inc. Andy Rarick, Matt Muko, Fletch, drums. Vincent James speller bar hill. Chef ski anti-terror Vela, David Ray, Shaun Lewis. Lisa cat, Joe Ferraro, Bill Hathaway. Alec wolf. Luke von. Oh, what are you all you guys bigshot, Luke zodda? Ziesel. Thomas. Tommy, Tommy Tom Tom are you still playing? I haven't talked on solid germ cell Bill Wyan James Conway, John, Stewart, not that John Stewart. The other the fan of us. Frankie denial Frank crash. Your Tom Johnson. Norm Nardini Tom Blinn ski Aaron. Kroll Edita, Mus great McCracken. Ray, Rocco Tom breathing. Keith hawkins. Lenny luria. Billy alderman, John FOX. Stripe dietz. I mean, the people are still commenting. Mark leg. Cornu sa-. Thank you, guys all for, and I don't have time to mention all your picks but I wanna throw a couple of teeth and have him kind of respond as professional drummer now. So because these are guys that, like I do. And I like, but maybe they suck. Okay. Bill ward. Good man. Maybe God was the first. I mean metal drummer there'd be, you know, him or unfortunately, maybe carmont apathy Mike, it that, you know, with elephant does have jet. I mean that Bill built mys- like tell was definitely influenced by judge because he has like in my swing with playing. I'm still big paying drum parts from like war. Pigs in a very where booed things like that. You can be straight. You can be straightforward and he can do you can play. Children, grave or anything that were like, you know. Busy. Actual straightforward plano, paranoid. Things like you know, songs that are really, really straight for our always a big fan of, like war, pigs, and every, you know, those jumpers to me, money bunny Carlos. Trek yet up solid player, you know, I think he has the world's biggest election vintage drums of one of them, but who's active like they kind of playing with him, right? Ridicules son, or somebody? Bunny when he was some of the some of the great like, even when they told out a little bit. We're doing like the flame things that the way the Trump sound on recording the always got the, you know, him and whoever produced the shit was really in tune with the that nice big fat sound. They got on track on some studio drag, and I would assume that him playing was was Ringo Starr drummer, yeah. He's a great Buchan drama. Things. He played a lot of great Bernard grade is on, right? But there's a lot of. There's there's, there's some shenanigans here. Because right Paul McCartney did play on some stuff back you for. But, but there's a life of the Paul McCartney's credit to that actually is because George Martin's talk. Like this is actually was Ringo actually played. You. And I've talked about this privately, but talk about leave on helm need one. Need one product tooth guy? That's done that not only a great, drummer got at slink econo- like loose field. Ray shuffles really cool boys though, too. You know, maybe known more for the singing, love people kind of like the voice at, like we're on Hanley finish falon guys are great players. But they then maybe you know dig overshot by their actual singing, but, you know, legal definitely only my favorite drummer of all time, but, like just a good solid group player. Have you put anybody else that drum chair abandons semi is very authenticity on God. I totally got why just wanna say I wanna mention a glaring omission. Nobody mentioned this guy. Okay. And I'm not saying he's a good drummer. I'm just saying that's very telling because you and I've had conversations about this guy. Not one person mentioned Mike. Portnoy, not one person as all these comments, and some people mentioned, multiple drummers in their comments. Not one person said, Mike Portnoy, or no. He's not underrated though, ADL. But don't you think he's kind of upper? About you can take to the Bank. I think he's overrated player. He sound when he's trying to play like with dreams inter-. I mean, I'm not a fan of that kind of playing I'd but it's. Not musical to me, man. I'm sorry and people out there can hang from his fucking doggy bag all they want, because I don't care, man. On things. Like I've heard Portnoy sound better playing straight ahead. Cover tunes for playing with the one result does playing proper off kind of drink being shit. Sign live with. From the fucking stairs later. Consol. I got you. Okay. So what we're going to go around the room and we're gonna kinda give an every ever- everybody chance to kinda give party shot about drums, if you wanna talk about comments on Facebook or something lily, what everyone's about everybody can say whatever they want to say so lily, we've been talking to Keith for longtime. Would he got what I wanna mention talk about? You wanna talk about anybody's commenting online right now. People telling us to fuck ourselves. They are not there. We actually have a lot of watchers people were asking me about the sonic temple festival, which I did not go to sorry. And that was that was what Columbus I think, so, yeah, it was was actually far away. But I'm sorry, I didn't go to that Phoenix rising gave us a shout out. And. Yeah. That's Billy Keith Hawkins is good as all right? And we have a couple more watchers baba temple. Billy bill. Dummy auto. It's only all right. The world's okay. As drummer, I'm gonna get that. Do it for like fifteen bucks the world the world. Okay. S crummer. Okay. Assed too stiff that's the best thing. So anything you guys want to add before we rock on acute. Lily. Once you, you have some announcements any shows. Yeah. That what your show my show on Thursdays, usual, Louis six six PM eastern on rock radio apps. For your just go to the website, rookery radio dot com. Also, I will be live at striper gerbils tomorrow, I will also be interviewing opening band, inside out their local. So that should be fun. So that's all going to be live on Facebook tour. Awesome kifah. I've. What the actual sweet brother, that's ripe, one of one Michaels in it. I don't know the. The. I don't even know they were still roam and he's hey, you gonna rock and pod with me. Details man. It's, it's, it's a ninth and tenth of August. I got a gig on his own because Sweden he's gonna be there. He's like that headlining guy. He's super cool. He's going to be there. What people in the I gotta figure out if I can we somehow we'll talk about it. But anything you wanna add plug talk about before we roll out here case? During the Gulfport, Mississippi area, does Friday and Saturday. I'll be doing double header. I. People out there, you know who you are. I don't know. I don't have any of you, but I'm sure you live Mississippi in her watching. I'll be at the blowout Saturday. Then dr. Welby provice Lee. When that's that's my Mississippi weekend. All right. Big Mississippi weekend for the hawk guys. L'idee rock and roll circus dot coms website. We're gonna jump over and party a little bit here. We have some stuff that you're not gonna get you don't know about giving completely in the dark you completely bucked unless you're all good. Unless you go to Lombardy rats dot com. 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Venti, Vidi, Vici | The Press Box (Ep. 569)
"Welcome to the ringer podcast network. I'm Liz Kelly, but the Super Bowl in the books. I wanted to let you know about all of our coverage cross the site if Kevin Clark Robert Mays Roger Sherman and more breaking down every aspect of the game including winners and losers key plays from the game and the halftime show performance. Also, make sure to check out our YouTube channel where Kevin Clark talked to Amari Cooper on so Newsday and Roger Sherman chatted with players from each team for their thoughts leading up to the game. Be sure to watch and subscribe to our channel on YouTube dot com slash the ringer. David Super Bowl. Fifty three was denounced by the media as boring and dreary reaching for your trustee. Reporters the Sorus what other adjectives could we call the Super Bowl? Oh, man. Plotting good night, googling this interminable soul-sucking time vortex. It was choppy. I woke up in the middle of the night little personal story. I woke up in the middle of the night to feed my infant, son, and and checked work slack. Just dead, you know, through bleary eyes. And there was only one update since the time that I had gone to bed and that was our copy chief leaving a note for the east coast east coast morning editorial crew saying we have two stories with the word boring and the headline and I'm too tired to think of a synonym right now. Feel free to change one. Yeah. It was it was something. And I mean, it was like that was. That was at least there was a sort of unified take on the Super Bowl. There was no there's no mystery what people are going to be saying about it. And I I guess that helps from an editorial point of view. But man, it was it was slow going, man. We used to be a rule that you'd never put boring in a headline because readers would look at it and say well that article is boring. If you're talking about something boring, but I'm not sure that the Super Bowl fifty three deserves even that rule. I think just like it's I think that's what I think. That's what the people want. Right. That's the content. We want described to me in a funny way. How the Super Bowl was boring. Exactly. And and I might ride with you. When everybody has the same Twitter joke. You're just looking to your to your trustee web journalism outlets for confirmation. We are America's favorite soul killing media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. The press box is the media podcast. We are not allowed to use the metaphor the fire festival of fill in the blank. We are Bryan Curtis. David shoemaker of the ringer in three big topics today. David I we have more thoughts on the Super Bowl than there were points scored in the Super Bowl some deep media think on a deeply unsatisfying big game. Second we discussed the launch and Hindenburg crash of the presidential campaign of Howard Schultz coffee, billionaire is this even a story. And finally, the other huge sports news of the week. The Knicks trade of Kristaps Porzingis to the Mavericks wire NBA trade so effing popular. Plus our weekly notebook dump? And of course, the overworked Twitter joke of the week, but David let's start here with Super Bowl topic. Number one, David here was the MVP of Super Bowl fifty three. No, not Julian Edelman one Tony Romo. Checked waited the whole to Senate and kill more PT waiting for the big time. Interception. Did you David heavy chance before the Super Bowl? Even started to watch a documentary called Tony goes to the Super Bowl. I'm not making this up that was airing on CBS. No, I'm complicit news to me that exists. It was you know, those little documentaries. They show at political conventions that are just sort of like, you know, here's Kamala Harris, here's Donald Trump. This essentially was that but part of the Super Bowl pre-game show, which is like you like Tony Romo you'll love him. Here's your chance to spend some time in his company, and it was really credible at it had like romo's sings in the booth before the game starts, just as I think it kind of way to loosen them up that kind of thing which is not not out of the ordinary actually for sports announcers, a lot of pump music into the beret into their headphones to kind of get themselves in the mood. He was singing way. This this goes directly to you. And I it's like he's speaking to us the theme song from who's the boss? I'm not kidding. Oh my gosh. I have a new found respect for the gay. Yeah. I felt how first of all let me ask you. How'd you think Tony Romo did announcing the Super Bowl after so much hype and buildup, I thought he did. Well, I thought he did. Well, I thought you know, there is there wasn't as much, you know, prognostication or prediction as as as I think some people were hoping for I think that you know, would have been there would have been a little bit more opportunity if either team had been running off into plays at any point in the game. But but I thought I thought overall he he he he he did he made, you know, I was I was paying more attention to him and enjoying him. You know, more than I have announcers in years past and certainly for for how sort of plotting the game was you know, he he did a good job. I think I'm most amazed at the effect. He said on gymnasts and also on the public media perception of gymnasts, which is that an I it's I asked me it's about this at the at the in Atlanta this week in. He said, you know, I said a lot of people say that you have this new energy, and that you're just kinda groovy now with Tony Romo, and I didn't actually know how Nance would react to that. Because in one sense. It's a compliment on the other sense. It's like, you know, wait was I was I so boring before he just said, yeah, he said, I think it's true. And the point he made at that. That was interesting because like I always just try to match up to what my analyst does. So if it's, you know, Bill Raftery in the NCAA tournament, I'm trying to kind of go there. If it's, you know, the majesty of the masters, and Nick Faldo and all that stuff. I'm trying to go there. And if it's, you know, Phil Simms who was let us say pretty downbeat by the end of his run, the CBS, boo. Versus Tony Romo that he's going to match that too. And you just feel him just smiling along with Tony during these broadcasts and just sort of coming to life in a really strange and kind of wonderful kind of way. I don't know that to me mid of all the Bromo stuff, and we've discussed a lot of it. But that that is that is one of the weird sort of secondary miracles of Romo is that he's sort of just found this new gear for gymnasts. I couldn't agree more. I don't know if this is a, you know, a negative reposited. But I I'm I'm in thrall by the sort of the tension that's on the screen not between them, but the tension when they appear on the screen together because you know, when it's just them talking when you're just hearing their voices, you do it's nance's name. It's like it's like two buddies talking about football in a really in a in a fairly intelligent way. And the and it's in it's really intriguing. I mean, it's it's really gripping. But every time they cut to the booth. It's like Tony is like Tony is. Geez. Just natural. He's a natural. Right. I mean, he's almost like a whatever the word is for for like a physical actor an actor who starts with the body. And then it just comes out. It's all just like he's just talking to his buddy and Nance has this like very visceral. Like, you almost looks agitated as he's making the words come out of his mouth to match Tony's excitement, and he just like standing perfectly still it's real. It's it's it's really great. But yeah, I I I mean the calls at the mean the nance's call was was really spot on and incredibly enjoyable and you're right. I mean, he's a he's he's he's found. He's found another gear or at least recaptured an old one. Yeah. I I sort of think that tension. You're saying is between Tony being totally undisciplined and Nance being you know, just the face of a disciplined letter perfect play by play guy. 'cause the thing about Romo is he breaks all these rules that you're supposed to you know, quote, unquote, observe right? One of which is like, hey when the ball is snapped. That's when the play by play guy talks, you're not talking during that period, and you see Romo all the time jumping over the snap going. Jim, Jim, they got the defense attend champions guy. Look is going to be put over the middle. And you know, they've made that work so well because again, it's like I remember a couple years ago. Grant Hill talked when. The winning shot was in the air in the NCA tournament in which it and you're just like, oh my gosh. Like, you, you know. That's like oh gosh. I cannot imagine what nance's thinking in a moment like that. But he has found a way to let Romo just sort of improvise and come in around him and give him so much space to do that stuff. It's it's pretty amazing. I do think listening to Romo that his big challenge for year. Three is he's gotta find out a tone to adopt. When games aren't very good or aren't for him close because there was a lot of bad in that game yesterday, especially Jared Goff. And you didn't get a ton of Tony Romo kind of just, you know, not bagging on anybody. But I think just kind of recognizing the quality of play that's in front of us. You know, it's like when the game was tied three three earlier in the second half. He's like we gotta tight game. Jimmy has that we got a game here. You know? And it's like, yeah. But the rest of us have been watching this for two hours, and it's really boring. You know, and it's almost that's almost where you'd want a little of that Chris Collins were edge. I think in a litter that Chris Collins worth like, I'm just gonna I'm sorry. I just got to say it. I can't watch this anymore and Romo, you know. Because he's so positive, and I think probably you'd probably take that. But he just didn't have that yet. And I sort of wanna see him do that at some point. Sure, I mean in the end, and he had presumably has insight that I mean that that could have I don't know if it could have spice things up, but at least it would have added a layer of interest to the story. I mean, it's there the the the inactivity and the game was in some ways really compelling doesn't make for a very interesting game to watch. But like I desperately wanted to hear someone talk about the just the fee just the feeling of of paralysis or of hopelessness that comes when you realize. That you you're you know, that your coaches trying everything you're trying everything and there's just no way forward. Right. And they're mean, Tony Romo one would think would have some insight into that. But instead it was you're right. It was a little bit rah-rah. It was a little bit waiting for you know, some cues that weren't going to present themselves. And and yeah, I mean, I think I think you're right. I mean, he he has no trouble filling time, he such a, you know, like, you said sort of devil may care in natural at it that that he that that maybe you know, that sort of that sort of preparation is is is what is the next step for him. A couple of notes for you the Gladys Knight national anthem now, we know that we know that the networks have avoided the national anthem when players kneeling during it. But boy once nobody's kneeling do they love to drink up that patriotic Evian water. I mean, you know, the close ups of the players then the flyover at either Laura Ingram tweeting her excitement about the anthem. You know? No, it's sorta like that was a low key. You know, again like in the in the pageantry of Super Bowls which are all about waving the flag. It's no big deal and totally normal with the backdrop of Colin Kaepernick and other things at the NFL has tried to willfully erase from its memory. Was that was still pretty stunning to me? I don't know doing watching this go, whoa. Jingoism like straight into the heart. You know? Here we go we're proudly Americans year. And when this is, you know, this is a little bit of a sidebar, but it turned out that like the online discussion of whether or not Gladys Knight is the be on the mask singer turned out to be one of the more compelling storylines of the evening. Nothing really happened in the game that are not much Evan in the game that that that led to as much like like you searching through Twitter for for me. Anyway, nothing. Nothing has surprised me more American life than the popularity of the mass singer midnight mass singer number one Trump Trump's election as president number two. I don't I don't get it can number three B Y Todd Gurley wasn't playing in the Super Bowl guess because that's where I'm going next. How how did the media not solve that mystery by gametime or even during the game yesterday? I was kind of figuring it was gonna be a sideline reporter news dump, you know, sometimes they get it. And you're not allowed to share it until gametime, but you know, and then you put it out there when it's kinda safe, but. All we got even after the game from Sean McVeigh was tall girl. He's fine. No problems at all ten carries. Thirty five yards of total non factor for the second game in a row that was weird. And I just think when you have a billion reporters all after the story, it just always amazes me. When there's something they kind of can't figure out. Well, I mean to me the most I mean in the most compelling argument, or the most compelling theory that I heard was that he was hurt and McVeigh was deliberately obscuring that so that, you know, to mess with the scouting reports or whatever else and then had to kind of stick to it to the bitter end because of whatever league rule liability. He would have been subject to girly. Sure didn't seem like he was part of some sort of scheme when he was interviewed after during before during and after the game, you know, it was really weird. And I think that I think if it had been a better game. I mean, certainly if the if the if the. Rams had one that kind of all would have gone by the wayside. But but in a in a night, you know, that was like sorely in need of just some sort of mystery. There are some sort of suspense. You know, the the the question about Todd Todd Gurley sort of filled that hole, even even if it was sort of an an awkward storyline that one carry called back in the fourth quarter. When it looked like he was going to maybe run them down to a touchdown or something, you know. And I was but anyway, didn't happen. Did you happen to notice David baseball writers using a boring Super Bowl and the MVP for PD? I was gonna say suspect, but being convicted PD guy, Julian Edelman to troll football and football fans. Yes. I did see a aware. Weird subplot. Yeah. Tyler Kettner, the New York Times. What was the last World Series is uninteresting as the Super Bowl may be nineteen ninety nine cap again. A reminder that in baseball Julian Edelman would have not been eligible to play in this postseason because he served a PD suspension this season. John Hayman longtime baseball insider, NFL summary, capper, Nick, blackballed, Eshelman glorified. So that was weird. I'm in. I just love seeing the baseball true believer reassert themselves that I I kind of have a soft spot for baseball true believer because it's just so determinedly out of fashion in this age in BA, true believer, man, you're getting all the money, but baseball true believer. You're you're fighting the tide, buddy. But they enforce. I was I was blissfully unaware. I thought that we had moved on. I thought we had moved beyond the like like the P P D's are universally bad point of view, even in the baseball world. But I guess not or at least for the sake of making an argument. You know, anything goes, I mean, I had I don't know. I I mean, it was some of them on their own each of a made for, you know, made for like kind of good little bits of snark. But but taken as a whole, it was it, you know, it's always funny to watch people from other from other, you know, beats that are just like come in with their like just really deliberate point of view catering their own audience during the during other events. You know, I've I Lord knows I've had my share of just like making wrestling jokes during presidential debates and whatnot. But like, you know, it's a there's a limit. I think to the usefulness or the end even even the humor of all that. But yeah, I don't know this this is beside the point. I don't know if you watch the halftime show. But but I I'm pretty sure Adam LeVine was glad they're not spot testing. They musical acts either because he probably wouldn't have been eligible to to to play in the postseason either. The there's a really good column. I'm going to ignore that insinuation. There's a really good college from Joe Sheehan baseball writer who just talks about how this is completely who does not use this opportunity to stand on a high horse, but says violating drug Palestinian NFL as a misdemeanor because it serves the NFL for it to be a misdemeanor and violating the drug policy in MLB as a felony because it serves Melby for it to be a felony. And it's a really good column that sort of traces all the labor anyway, encourage everybody to check that out postgame, David Tracy Wolfson does CBS Aislinn reporter goes to interview Tom Brady. And is lost for a few minutes. And we kind of here this disembodied voice going and now Tom Brady is embracing Julian Edelman and now Brady is embracing Bellichik and now Brady is embracing craft. And it just went on and on. It was like one of those YouTube videos of like the local reporter who's like in the and now the hurricane is coming in. And then they just get like like, they just get smacked on the side of the head by flying mailbox or something like that she Tracy Wolfson like winter win for her like standard post game interview. And just got caught and like a in a black flag mosh pit. And it was it was it was pretty amazing. I mean, everybody was commenting on it, you occasionally would just see your head pop up. And it was just these like the scrums of like if media who was just trying to get all the Brady footage. They can was just like pushing in Brady had the security team that seemed to be more impressive than any offensive line. He's ever played behind that was pushing everybody back, but they are voices were the loudest ones in the. Audio of the whole thing as they were trying to maintain crowd control. And and they kept saying stuff like I'm trying to help you right? They were trying to help her. That's what they kept saying. I'm actually trying to help. Eventually, they eventually they they one of them did Rangel. The the, you know, the the the post game interviews like which one is your camera. Okay. We're getting you in here now. But there was you know, apparently, everything every, you know, I mean, maybe there's something sort of refreshing about the fact that like this fight, you know, I mean, God love, Tracy Wilson. But like everything sort of takes it back seat to the human element of Brady embracing posing players and coaches and his own teammates. And everything else. I think that that's a and there's something sort of nice about that. But it was it was it did it did lend a little bit of drama to to kind of quiet for the fourth quarter. And I and I think it's you know, everybody jokes about sideline reporters all the time. But I think there are moments when reporting is reduced to a physical act rather than an electoral act, and you just have to physically get the person anybody who's. Done sports. Writing knows this by Shelvin ran a locker room or gonna running down a hallway to get somebody or in congress, or whatever it is. And it's like she just has to get Tom Brady. She's not half to wrangle Tom Brady threw publicist. She doesn't have to set. She just has to physically corral Tom Brady. And that is the most, you know, kind of like I said like basic reportedly function and she God bless her. She got him my other favorite, by the way. CBS has Evan Washburn. Who the other side, Leonard porter? He when CBS does the Super Bowl he gets to talk to the losing coach. And I'm pretty sure this was only on CBS S N. I did not see it on the actual big CBS post game show. But Evan Washburn often looks more shaken than the losing coach like he he start. I think it was. Rod Rivera couple of Super Bowls gonna guess a coach, Bobby. I don't know. What did I don't know? What to say by God? You know, you must and Ron Rivera actually looked fine. And I was like on Rivera's. Okay. Somebody go. Find somebody go get some help for Evan Washburn. But I just want to know that he he sort of corrected this time and Sean McVay legitimately look sadder than Washburn. That was that was kind of a big moment in in Super Bowls for me. Quote of the game. Or of the post game goes to Rams tackle Andrew Whitworth told our very own Robert Mays at the end of the day. We're all gonna die. Which feels like the existential sequel to the all-time quarter quote from Duane Thomas running back the Cowboys who said if the Super Bowls the ultimate game. How come they're playing it again next year, which is really fantastic. They are book ends if you want to get past ex's nodes, go talk to Wayne Thomas or Andrew Whitworth. That was awesome. Like, we're this had a great role ever since he signed with the with the Rams has taken on this weird like spiritual animal role for the for the entire press corps. I don't know if it was of like the sad shape of the teams that he played for before signing there. But you know, it it there is something very interesting about, you know, some players will sign with a team like the Rams and be seen is like front runners or ring chasers. And he's just sort of like this, you know, workaday guy who's just like trying to find success in a win a world where he's never been able to sniff. It, you know, and and and it it it sort of fitting, maybe maybe I'm reading too much into it. And maybe it's. Just that this guy is just been the most incredible, quote, the entire time or this just sort of like dark philosopher their edits entire career. That was a real a real incredible moment in one of those great moments where multiple people like everybody in the scrum tweeted at quote the exact same time. You know, everybody's everybody wants to get that out there in the world. Yeah. And maize tweeted, the context makes a lot more sense. But it just sounded like the ultimate dire losers locker room, quote, by the way, I think it's part of the part of the part of the power of it is how Andrew Whitworth looks. Because he looks kind of like, you know, John Fetterman who's the Lieutenant governor, Pennsylvania mayor. So like when existential truths are coming out of the mouth of a guy that just looks like that, it's a little bit more of a little bit gives it a little more who've I wanna close David by talking about the Washington Post commercial. They're ran in the fourth quarter during the two minute. Warning. Let me give you a little bit of Tom Hanks doing the narration. When our nation is threatened. There's someone to gather the facts. To bring you the story. No matter the cost. Because knowing empowers us. Knowing helps us decide. Knowing keeps us free. They used to have a halftime act of the Super Bowl called up with people that was like in our childhood. So this is up with journalism. This is this is the sequel, this is the I love this tweet from our old pal. Dan, amber, of course, the newspaper industry would invest its remaining millions in an ad that runs when the game is essentially over no one cares anymore. That was. Also a note from page six which might be true Jeff visas pulled the plug on a twenty million dollars Super Bowl ad for his spaceflight company, blue origin after it was revealed. His mistress at helps you footage for the commercial and in this might have been the fill the fill in for the spot. He bought what did you make of of advertising the virtues of journalism during the ultimate game? Wow. I mean, I know the Washington Post is doing really well. But you know, I in a week of like mass media layoffs. I'm not sure if that was the. The spending twenty million dollars in a Super Bowl ad really like bounce the scales at all. But, but yeah, you know, you know, I'm sure that like now all those post employees have something that they can show their kids to explain what they do on career day or whatever. And it's that's nice shockingly. It was popular on Twitter with journalists. I don't know if they know that's been sure when you extol the virtues of journalism and the most grandiose manner journalists get really excited, we are the cheapest dates in the world, baby. It's amazing. All right. David for the overworked Twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time. Can we get the non Super Bowl entrance out of the way? And then I'll cut back to the Super Bowl theme. Yeah. Let's do that courting to Reuters Foxconn. Remember, the company Foxconn is reconsidering its plans to make Vance liquid crystal display panels at eighteen billion dollar, Wisconsin campus, the twenty million twenty million square foot campus excuse me was praised by President Donald Trump as proof of his ability to revive American manufacturing. So it was an overworked and very easy. Overwork Twitter joke to say, FOX conned. Thanks, Jane, drew Lewis for that one. Yeah. I know since we probably should say the name Ralph. For them in this podcast goal. He being the democratic governor of Jinnah who had a black face picture in his yearbook. It was an overworked Twitter joke to say when the question many are asking after your apology is are you the guy in black face or the KKK outfit? You're in deep deep trouble. Thank you to Matthew Benson for that. When a now for the Super Bowl, David the Super Bowl of overwork Twitter jokes. Did you notice how many people were calling Jared Goff Jared gaffe during the game Jared, gaffe, speaking of reaching for your the Sorus? It was an overworked Twitter joke to suggest when the Rams were in the midst of eight straight punts that punter Johnny Hecker should be the MVP. Another one, quote both teams are playing like they don't want to visit the White House that was that was actually pretty good when they had that cool ad for the NFL's hundredth anniversary the head all the players in it. It was an overworked Twitter joke to say girly has more yards in that NFL one hundred ad than in the game. Oh, the halftime show. Now, it's probably a good idea to do the halftime show. But do you think maroon five knew that the halftime show is going to be an occasion for people who don't think about maroon five at all their daily lives just to make jokes about route. I think they had to be dimly aware of it. I mean on the one hand they're the sort of perfect act to fill in that space. But there was a little I mean, we when they announced the maroon five was performing it was in the midst of a. It's a great, you know, quandary into who actually like what is the halftime show in who would be willing to even play the halftime show in current year. So I don't know if they were doing it as a favor or if they were just. I don't know how what they're decide decision making was. But they had to be canny enough to know there'd be a lot of that. Couple of maroon five over works. Number one. This man, I saw this one hundred times. Halftime colon. Maroon five patriots three Rams zero. Some people did that one another one I still haven't heard a good explanation of why I'm not watching imagine dragons right now. Okay. So that at least twice weirdly in a legitimately funny. One from Djamil hill in our own Tyler tines while watching Adam LeVine before this gentrification. Just. Really excellent. And how about is this the first ever time that LeBron James as at an overworked Twitter joke mill the game. He tweets man, where shamans whoa, JR. Hanes mcmenamin at with a shrug emoji. One of many people tweeting during the Super Bowl the Super Bowl was so boring. So if you were lusting for a wo- JR. Bomb in the middle of the Super Bowl. Congrats you made the overwork Twitter joke of the week a lot of people to thank Greg Connors. Patrick Karan at Jay rock four one four Daniel Payne, Elliot powers. Brennan schneider. Jason Mcgann C B so an at our gala umbrella, and by the way, David special, thanks to Greg. Just Greg who tweeted and overworked Twitter joke at Brian Koppelman. Please leave Brian couple, but alone to write screenplays to cinema here. We'll we'll take care of this. Don't worry. All right. David topic number two, Starbucks founder, and billionaire Howard Schultz announced he has made me sort of interested in running for president kind of amazing that Howard Schultz isn't actually running for president this point. But we're still talking about this. Anyway, here's how Schultz was greeted by his cheering supporters. I am seriously considering running for president as a centrist independent, and I wanted to clarify the word independent which view wearily as a designation on the ballot. And what? What you eat. Billionaire. You think sit in a donation after that? Oh my gosh. Oh, my dining and went what Annunciation. I mean. That was just that was a that was a tour to force is amazing. How clear it was wasn't. Yes. I saw like just the leg transcript version. I was like, surely we're not going to be able to hear this. But man, we heard just fine. So a couple of interesting things, I think about the Scholtz candidacy from from our demented media perspective here number one. Nobody knows anything about Howard Schultz, either personally or his or certainly his political views. So we're watching him being vetted on the fly like literally live on television under to watch any of the morning Joe interview. He did. Yeah. The other day, and I can't believe I'm saying this. But it was I thought as vets of Rando presidential candidates go. It was really pretty good numb. You sorta had will. Geist and Mike barnicle pressing him on why he wasn't running as a democrat. And then on the other hand you had me Brzezinski like being able to accidentally generate all these gaffes like him saying that Reagan never took his coat off in the Oval Office. Not true him saying that the best democratic president in the last fifty years was FDR. And here's the Mika testing. Whether Howard Schultz can truly be a man of the people how much does an eighteen ounce box of curious cost an eighteen ounce box of Cheerios. Oh god. Like budgets for the VA. We're gonna ask you question. Why? I don't eat. I don't eat Cheerios. I'm sorry. It's is it four bucks. Yeah. It's yeah. I think the real news here might be the Joe Scarborough also doesn't know how much Cheerios Gus. Howard Schultz has it excuse. He's the med globe. Maniacal billionaire Joe Scarborough, just a mega mega maniacal millionaire. Like, you shouldn't you have bought a box of Cheerios at some point it just shows up on the front door from post mates, or whatever. I mean. And if they actually see how much it costs on the show. The Schultz got a ton of press covers sixty minutes. The view Anderson Cooper, what did you make of something? I saw over and over again this week which was why are we treating Schultz who has like a four percent approval rating as a serious candidate and not treating other marginal Democrats as serious candidates. Oh, that's a good question. You know, I think that there is. I mean, there's there's gotta be some sense of that. If he's running as independent, the the democratic primary will sort of construct the narrative for media, and and and Schultz is a story that is kind of being constructed in real time. And the media can really have a have, you know, an active hand in in telling that story. I it's I think that that, you know, he's he's an interesting character. And I think that people see him as you know, as a, you know, an interesting counterpoint to Donald Trump backstories, and and and you know, business successes and everything else. But I think you know, I mean there had to be some level of hope that he would come forward with some sort of policy that he, you know, some some sort of ideas that he did not I it. It is interesting. I don't know what do you think? Well, just on the base quest. Basic question before we get to his very nebulous ideology. I would say I don't I of course, it's a new story. Right. And of course, like, you're telling me mega maniacal billionaire wants to run for president and will potentially cost the Democrats. What could be a layup election and re elect Donald Trump? That sounds like a story that sounds like a story to me. Now, you don't have to treat Howard Schultz. Seriously. You don't have to pretend that this vision of centrism actually makes any sense or has any kind of hard ideals behind it. But like, of course, that's news. Like, of course, that's that seems like a big deal. And I just I feel a lot of this is like again, I feel we could have like a weekly section of the podcast on this. But it's it's Trump PTSD, which is yeah, we gave the rich guy a lot of attention last time and. And he somehow got elected president. So let's never give the rich guy attention again. And I and I just don't I don't know that that's the reason Trump got elected president. If you watch these Howard, by the way, I gotta say having watched a couple of sheltering this morning. He was much better. I just kind of read like accounts of it and seeing tweets about it mostly and watched again, he was better on camera. I thought but he is not Donald Trump. He does not have that kind of magnetic appeal. So yeah, I mean, I just I just think I just think it is a story. And I think when you watch e again even stuff like morning, Joe the club east cable news show, you could possibly imagine. Like he goes on there. And you sort of come out come away thinking like, oh, boy, this guy doesn't have a lot of ideas as guy doesn't really know what he's talking about now. And that will do the job just fine. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of the places that gave him. Coverage on morning, Joe is a great example would have given him that same slot. If he had, you know, started new charity, you know, he didn't have to be running for office to get airtime. He is a, you know, successful person that at least the people in those chairs are interested in. But yeah, I mean, you're right. The the the the sort of. The emptiness of it is I think what you know struck a lot of people as as as most galling, you know, we're used to independence or third party candidates being sort of technocrats, or, you know, issue candidates and not like Ghazi idealists, you know, that are coming out here talking about about how both parties have let us down which is true. But it's not, you know, it's it's not particularly helpful on its own. And you know, what we've seen with him. I mean, I think that the the kind of the most poignant critique as as was evidenced by that great sound bite. We played a minute ago. Is that is that third party candidates? Have have come to be seen. You know? It's not it's not the the the biggest obstacle for third party candidacies is is maybe not structural anymore. It's that they're they're viewed as a Trojan horse to just defeat one candidate or another, right? I mean, it's it's not. It the the the the actual message of the campaign is is totally secondary to that, you know, preconceived notion. Yeah. It he doesn't have much of an answer for that. You know, those are his weakest answer by far among a lot of week answers is why don't you just run as a democrat. And he's nerd soggy about how he can't, you know? It's like why don't you run as a centrist democrat your day? You were a democrat. You know, why don't he eat? What don't you try to do what Donald Trump did to the Democrats? If you don't agree with their ideas is running their primary and try to you know, prove that your ideas are more popular than rank and file Democrats. But he doesn't really have a great answer that I mean, it feels like a very ninety s campaign. Does it not? I'm a rich guy. I know how to solve problems. I'm gonna keep saying like, I'm gonna point when they ask you. What are you gonna do about healthcare? You know, because of all the resistance you're gonna face in congress. And he keeps saying I'm just going to have smart people telling me what to do right, which is like a very Russ brust, bro kind of thing. And then also like I just have some kind of CEO know-how. Of how to get things done. I read this piece by Simon Molloy and media matters who was going through some of the greatest hits of centrist movements. Wooing the media. And then going nowhere. You'll remember the unity party and Americans elect also total class. We've now forgotten which was axios co founder Jim Vanda high reading about the innovation party that was going to have more executive Bergen chill Sandberg running the nation. Yes. How did that turn out? And what he taught what he talks about is how this how these kind of candidates are catnip to certain made men and women though, mostly men in opinion media, he mentions yahu is Matt by the Atlantic. Stay would from an ABC's the note, and that's all true. But don't we live in a media world where those people are less powerful than they've ever been. You know, like, I did I didn't know the note was still going. Honestly, I really did not know that I guess as a consumer of media was on. I just feel. Will the media? The political media set up now that centrists actually garner maximum skepticism instead of the loving open embrace of David Brooks, which carries as much weight. What do you think about that? Yeah. I mean, I think it's justifiable. Right. I mean, regardless of your politics, I think it's it means centrism is centrism is not a governing philosophy. Maybe it is maybe it's too much governing philosophy. But like tell us what you tell us. What you believe, you know, don't tell us what you're. What what what makes you like feel icky about the about the existing political parties, you know, about about their structural problems? I think that an and I mean, it's interesting just has you know, I mean from a from a liberal point of view. I mean centrism is is feels like, you know. Hazy night out from you know, last weekend that we're still trying to come to grips with and and and recover from. It's I it's all it means. It's it it just I I don't know it just it just seems like a really just seems like a very strange way right now to try to you know, to to try to make some noise, and especially you know, when when Mike Bloomberg is running as a democrat, who's a, you know strikes a sort of similar figure, but but he's you know, he's decided to go the more. He's decided to go the party route. And listen for you know, regardless of what you think about about Donald Trump's seriousness. You know, particularly was when he was running for president. He was a he was something approaching a public figure for many years leading up to his campaign, you know, a political figure and this just feels like just the I mean, the the the. The sort of novelty of Howard Schultz, just sort of underscores this sort of feeling of a lack of seriousness the fact that he's not coming out with any big platform ideas. Although he's, you know, eager to criticize Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris on on, you know, healthcare and taxes. You know? I mean, it's just it's like he was he was caught so flat-footed not having his own ideas that he that, you know, he's just like jumping and he had to jump in with these like half formed like nags on whatever they had to say. It's I mean, it's been a pretty spectacular brief run. I oh, I there is a there was a great. There was a there was a tweet. I just saw today from I guess it was from a couple of days ago from guy, Dan, lavar at Howard Schultz went from oh is he that Starbucks guy to this man represents literally everything wrong with late capitalism. And I will do everything in my power to stop his rise in like two and a half. As. Close out with solid work. Bill burton. It was the was the political consultant who who is sort of steering the ship. It's it's, you know, there's there are a lot of there's a lot of reasons why this this thing might be kind of tanking the way that it is. But it's been pretty impressive to watch. So far yet. I think the biggest thing you're going to see next is journalists just dining out for day after day or as long as this campaign last on vetting Howard Schultz because there was a there was a post on the lawyer guns and money blog by Paul compos. Who just did some very minor fact checking on Schultz's stories about how he got from the projects in New York City to college and the stories were just totally different. And you know, it again, it was like a relatively minor sort of thing. And it wasn't wasn't wasn't a big. Gotcha. But it was just one of those things where you just realize this. Persons public record nonfinancial public public record has just not been scrutinized at all. Yeah. And you know, this is the kind of stuff was like Donald Trump. You know, is there almost too many moving targets, but that's gonna be the next thing. And that's going to be, you know, days if not weeks of, you know, big big big investigative pieces and little investigative pieces in journalists are going to be very happy. I believe. With get from that. Well, I mean, Jonathan Chait wrote a piece he think he's written a couple of pieces on on Scholten, and you know, for whatever you think about him. I mean, does sort of strike the figure of someone who might be enamored with a Schultz candidacy, but has been pretty clear eyed, and and and tagging towards his chances, and in the midst of of, you know, talking about some other issues he brings up that she'll the the fact that Schultz was shocked at the at the degree of democrat anger and says that that that that his that very surprise is should be disqualifying for his candidate candidacy that he was just, you know, unprepared for this sort of response. And I think that there's something to that amount anything's disqualifying. And I think that you know, you're right that there's going to be a lot of real time, vetting and everything else. I mean, the interesting thing about Schultz is that regardless of what happens to him. Now, you know, if he continues to runs an independent he can continue to run for as long as he wants. To you know. I mean, there's not there's no DNC that's going to be you know, elbowing him off the stage. But, but I do think that that, you know, the there there will be a if there will be a, you know, more of a metaphorical elbowing off, and when people start paying attention to it independent candidate like that, regardless of the amount of money that you have to spend. I think that will you know, I'm sure there's already been a rude awakening. Then it'll only continue. Our David top number three. The Kristaps Porzingis trade will wandering around radio row in Atlanta Thursday. The news came down that the New York Knicks traded Porzingis to the Dallas Mavericks for a package of players and draft picks in my first reaction from the Super Bowl was to Email the ringers very own Kevin Clark and say RIP to the ringers brief run as a football site because I knew ship. The Super Bowl is over maybe soup, the ship was dirty door, the Boers Inga's drape. I guess I'm interested mostly we'll leave the basketball analysis to to the the other people. But I'm amazed and interested in why stories like this aren't just kind of medium popular. But just grab everybody's attention in sports. I mean, this is sort of in my nuts to call this kind of a medium sized NBA trade is that that nuts is this is this is this a giant NBA trade? I don't think so it sort of a medium trade. It has some great soap opera stuff as when porzingas wrote my suggestion to Knicks fans is to stay woke on his I believe on Instagram Sunday morning, which is awesome. Also was at MSG or which which Knicks TV network put up the graphic of porzingas, which all the basic stats and then at the bar, and then just sat in the middle of it said skipped exit meeting with front office after twenty sixteen seventeen. Season that was really getting back at him. But what do you think why does this story? Like this have so much salience with us at the ringer in with everybody else will first of all go Mavericks, and I look forward to. Our mavericks. Look forward to our upcoming segment and in a year or two about the the way the media's covering the Mavericks championship the. Yeah. I mean, this is this was a really weird one a lot of different factors in play. I mean, I think for one thing it just happened. So quickly. And and we can get into the, you know, the kind of the tick tock of it and a little bit. But you know, from from the moment that like there was any rumor at all about porzingas changing location until until the the trade was finalized was. I mean, it just seemed like the blink of an eye. Right. And so it so it was actually news that was breaking sort of on Twitter timeline. And I mean that I guess in two different ways, but eight it was I it it all it just seemed so urgent and so real, and there's also this when the details of the trade stirred trickle out, it seemed it did seem like it is I take what you mean by it being a medium sized trade. This is not, you know, superstar for superstar whatever, but but it did seem like a really lopsided trade. And so there's all the there there is a lot of fans there. I mean fans were justifiably kind of perplexed as to one what the rest of the story was now the trade as it as it as it sort of, you know, came out the trade was a little bit was less lopsided. Than it seemed. But there were questions about like, well, I mean is is forcing us more hurt than we than we've lead on is. He just you know. I mean, there's the sort of existential question is he just less of a superstar than we've been led to believe by the media for the past several years. You know, is it is there, you know. Is there something else at play? And then there's then there's the the real deeper story, which is if you know all presuppositions are true in the Knicks are really just only interested in clearing out their cap. So that they can sign Kevin Durant. Kyrie Irving next summer will then you know, it's pretty amazing that there is a story that is that significant that just no one can really report because it would break any any and every NBA bylaw to to to acknowledge that it's true. There's just there. There are a lot. It's not an it's not it's not just porzingas. Then right. I mean, we're talking about porzingas and every top tier free agent next summer. We're talking about Luca Danni kitchen, and and you know, his his. Rise as a rookie to NBA prominence in what this means for, you know, his time line there's a lot of. And of course, there's Mark Cuban and much more significantly James Dolan, and the just his just hapless helming of the of the New York Knicks. There's just a lot of little lot of major players in the NBA soap opera here more than just Kristaps Porzingis who is in amazing, and who will be very healthy, very soon and leading the Mavericks to a championship. So I got like four reasons they're the suddenness of the trade, which is the sense of any new story right to it. Whether the next got robbed, which is standards or story free agency hypotheticals that this unlocks for next summer and beyond. And then this sort of thing that Bill talks about a lot, which is this sense that people are conspiring in the NBA behind the scenes, you know, with tampering and free agency and all that stuff. F-? I don't I I hesitate to use the words NBA dark web that URL pal. Jake, hang us. But, you know, this is a sense that sense that they're these unseen forces working in the NBA that everybody is dying. No about at that are controlling everything. And that sort never gets public. I guess I guess what's partly amaze me as just like the way in BA news goes from hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical rate. The Knicks have been a hypothetical for. Nine years longer than that. When did they start dumping salaries to get LeBron? You know, the first time those two dozen yet. Right. They've been on and off this for a while. Yeah. So it's just like, it's I guess what's amazing about the NBA. If if there were an NFL team or any other team that had just done this year after year after year and had never actually been a coherent basketball team. We would have just given up, but may whether it's the sort of weirdo glamour of the Knicks team. That's never won anything considering how long they've been famous or just the way that the thing, you know, the NBA works now, I guess is interesting. Also, like, we did an emergency podcast about it. And there are so many good points made in that one was I think it was Simmons just reeling off all the major NBA superstars that have changed teams in the last eighteen months Kawai Jimmy button. Cler Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving, Paul George. Blake griffin. Boogie cousins were singers and Anthony Davis in the next sometime in the next five minutes. Right. Which is just incredible to think of how much news that has all you know, thrown off all those different moves. And also Chris Ryan made this point where he's talking about. Like, why players wanna constantly change teams now? And he said, I think if I wrote this down, right? The constant churn of action is creates more interest in who they are. Right. So it's there's a there's an I wanna win a title thing, which is very real. But there's also an IM brand entity beyond team sport and everything else. And if I change teams people be more interested in me, you know, if I just say like, I'm tired of this. I want to go do something else that will make my brand more potent. Sure. And that's really interesting to me. I guess I guess the funny thing is if it's like that then is the right move to. To go to battle stations every time something like that happens if trae if major NBA moves are that frequent and if they're being done with an eye toward like, I just need to shake things up. So I can get some more attention at least at least partially right? Some of import zinc as I knew it wasn't gonna win anything with the next we wanted to leave. But some of it is about like resetting new commercial opportunities cetera et cetera. Do we in the media need to pay as much attention to these things? Or should we rightly be like well that in a vacuum that seems like a giant trade, but we've just had nine giant trades or free agency moves in the last eighteen months. So maybe we should scale down our expectations of this thing. Yes. I mean to the extent that some of these trades actually affect the balance of power in this season of the NBA. And I guess I mean, it's not I mean, there's a few right? I mean, y Leonard I mean is has made Toronto into a real contender Jimmy Butler. You know, hasn't been the magic bullet in in Philly. But, but certainly, you know, makes them a lot more interesting than boogie cousins you signing with the warriors. And now that he's playing me. And that's that's you know, that's that's a real thing. Paul George in Oklahoma City has been sort of a revelation, but you know, in in whatever revelation the lost in the first round of the playoffs last year was last year right now. No that that's true this year. He's that. He's he's he's he's on another level. But we'll see if that pans out. But I think that I think that you know, there there are those that are that are significant. But an and I think the rest of them are just sort of this, you know, were by and large and we're talking about transactions. We're talking about a coming draft picks. We're talking I mean, most of these trades were were talking about the sort of like the the the post warriors future of the NBA. Like, wait, what what the landscape will look like when there is a maybe as soon as next season when there is a little bit more parody or a little bit more opportunity for other teams. But I think that's all part of this. You know basketball Twitter fan Fiqh that that the league is become right? I mean, it's it's all it's a role playing game. You know, it's get the table top card game or something. It's a it's it's it's we're just we're just kind of like trading cards, and and getting excited about you know, these little these little chessboard moves but the answer to like do. Need to be giving this much attention. I mean, we we do if we do have people care, right? And we all care. So or maybe I'd put it a little differently, which is I don't have any moral Jackson to this. And I don't certainly don't have any moral objection to players deciding they wanna play somewhere else because if it's generated by the player to me, all the better. I just wonder do we need to think about in BA transactions differently if they're this frequent and if if quote, unquote, major trades are unprecedented, major trades or actually happening all the time. Should we should we think about it differently than maybe we did five ten years ago? I don't answer that the maybe right? I mean. Yeah. There's there's definitely a case to be made. And it's I mean, there's also this question about what kind of constitutes a major trade. I think that more than anything. It's just the excitement and the hype. I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of the, you know, there's a lot of kind of Stroman drawing about whether or not there's enough, you know, with all these superstar teams everybody wants to play together. You know, what happens to the teams that are left over? But like the lists that you read I mean makes it sound like there's actually kind of plenty of superstars to go around. Right. I mean, there's there's in any of you have teams like the nuggets, whoever he was like who seem to be doing really well with just like can zero household names and only one and a half like super-duper stars, you know, and it's an it's a. You know, it is sort of interesting. I I mean as far as I'm concerned, this is I mean, there's there's no more interesting time of year than the time where you're just like constantly hitting refresh on the hoop hype Brumer page to see what's happening. And it's it's it. It's fun for me. And it's nice to you know. I mean, it's we just we just got done watching a really boring Super Bowl with a team that just like basically put together a fantasy team and and could only score three points. So it's, you know, it's nice to pay attention to a to a sport where you know, some of these transactions might be a little bit more meaningful. Did you just use the term Sturman drunk multiple times in his podcast that I use it twice? I think so. Oh my God. Well, they set it. Right. I hope I said it, right? One of those times. It'd be great next next week. Make sure you switch to double ganger or buildings Rome on if you wanna mix more. It's more the more Germans have cheaper your Soroush. Yeah. All right. David. Let's do the notebook up. I got some twenty twenty updates for you. I think we have our first campaign in disarray story, which is tolsey Gabbard, which was probably the odds on favourite for campaign in disarray. Right. This comes to us from politico. The Gabbard campaign saying they are dumping the consultants that they just hired your times reported job and Martin notes that this is, you know, the old campaign excuse when you fire a bunch of people in your campaign has oh the plan was always for them just to stay through the primary. They weren't gonna sit in general election this time, he says the plan was always for them just to stay through the campaign launch. Right. So it's just literally days under our employment also via Martin Gabbard dropped the I use the first documented use of the word. Neil liberal. As a as a as a bad word during the campaign. She tweeted as commander in chief. I will work to end the new Cold War nuclear arms race in slide into nuclear word that is why the neo-con Neo lib were mongers will do anything to stop me. So that was how. Yeah. The tweet from journalism. Professor, Matthew pressman, he says consensus among journalists and media, critics is it election. Coverage suffers too much from too much horse race coverage and treating politics like a sport. So the Washington Post decides to assign thirteen of its top analyst to do a power ranking of twenty twenty candidates just to note that the power ranking is now it's not just for. It'd be a dues Deboer. I I don't think we can guess versions on power rankings here the radio, but just just just throwing that out there, man. Man. They got to that. I jeez. Probably we should have done on the press box. The you know, I always like to keep track of all the people who are calling the end of Donald Trump's presidency. So I was attracted this tweet from constitutional law. Professor Laurence tribe who writes, the great Robert Jay Lifton. But down know who the great Robert Jay Lifton is bullish go with us. The great Robert Jay Lifton makes a persuasive case that a failure to get his wall will deflate Trump's balloon. And Mark the beginning of the of his presidencies end. So markdown February third as the day that the great Robert Jay Lifton declared that Trump's presidency was over or the beginning of Trump's the end of Trump's presidency. Somebody's going to be right one of these days. It's true. It it may it may be November twenty twenty but somebody is going to correctly predict the end of Trump's presidency and finally David bad news of the week. I thought we should have a section called bed. News the weight because something horrible happens to journalists every week now. Vice media announced his laying off two hundred and fifty people or ten percent of its workforce. And I don't know how to talk about this anymore other than just pick somebody who's been affected and actually read their tweet. So this is Nigel dura veteran advice. All right, folks. The lay offs finally came from me after dodging them at Gannett and a p I think I was kinda do love the folks I worked with advice in to watch the show seven thirty weeknights. Anyway, Email in the bio sued, so I feel that could be a horrible KOTA for this era of web journalism mail in the bio. Maybe maybe that's the name of the segment from now on Jesus, and I'm guessing more bad news next week. But anyway, can't joke about the media for for the whole time without without tried to wrap your mind around that stuff. All right, folks. That's the press box. He is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis research from Chris Maida production from Jim Cunningham. We're back next week with more hot takes on the media CNN, David Letterman. David. Did you happen to notice David? I'm a rich guy. 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Spencer Hall talks Daniel Snyder and SEC Political Connections
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What's going on absolutely nothing especially because we're back to phase one quarantine. y'All. Petrified of Atlanta as everybody knows my not everybody, but of you may not know. My parents live in Atlanta. My parents are not young Atlanta's going to Helena handbasket and I saw the guy they they talk about opening schools there and make it mass optional in my question is. When did we start making things optional for children we shouldn't. There's as I will tell you this. They should have any decisions. I have two of them some speaking from authority. Don't give them a choice on anything that you should really give children options. You should say a or I should say. Do you want peanut butter? Jelly Turkey give up Turkey. Don't do it. You need to be a tyrant with your children, because otherwise give them an inch, and they will take a mile and destroy. I. Have Children I don't really understand the lives. Allow you guys live, but it does appear that modern child rearing and a lot of ways doesn't look anything like the rearing. I remember because I didn't really grow up under an iron fist. Operating on the understanding of I can't do that. You were the youngest child where you yes, I. Okay okay, that's it. Yeah, because remember this parenting goes. Every first child gets the dictator all right and the dictator over time gets tired. Okay, no one has the conditioning for parenting. No one prepares for it. Okay. You need to think of every parent as a deeply unseasoned MMA fighter that first round. They are coming out and there is not a punch unanswered. There is not a move on countered. Every single thing is defended by the time you get to that third round. It's getting A. A Little Lazy. You're getting a little winded. You get little week so I'm afraid you've got your parents on the downslope. Those things. Yes, that is, that is what my brothers and sisters say. By the way, a lasting memory of my childhood is by assisted looking around trying to figure out who these parents are that they received also a bit better behaved or more of an achiever than they were. That's neither here, nor there it. It is. It is always interesting to see that also one of my buddy to tell me about this. He had his second child about a year ago. It pregnant with third and two point he made was dude with. I had no idea what we were doing his after with. Each of these kids start figuring a little more out like I. Kind of feel bad for you. Oldest children you get Beta version parrots. You do get Beta. Beta version parents, I think you get what in college football terms would be the first year head coach, the one who says I've got to go to every meeting and I've got to go talk to those eleven people who show up for this alumni meeting and I've got to make sure that every single player knows that by the time you get to like a third of the fifth year. It's like yeah, an assistant will do that. We've all been there. Remember with Mike. Gundy used to call all the plays and ninety. Watch the defense. Yeah, yeah, exactly now it's like I. Don't know I hire Kaffir that I'm just GonNa. Sit here and where controversial t shirts girl all it. You know by way quietly. He got a lot of help for this, but looking back on it I've come to respect this board that I could have at. At the time, remember Brady Hoke. Is the DOT. Even wear a headset? Oh, I was reminded of by Michigan fans constantly. If you want to do something that really irritates the air, you dight detail oriented. Michigan Wolverine Fan base like fifty percent of them were lawyers. Give him a coach who does not wear a headset infuriates them. They cannot imagine not wanting to hear every single word of everything going on. Let me. Tell you something. At the height of the MAG Brown era I would see him with a head on I. don't ever really remember seeing him talk into it. He he'd had had said. People have mass all. Around your neck? It's bad if you have. A coach doesn't wear a headset because that's anxiety inducing. It's much worse if you have a coach who puts a headset on, and then everybody gets worship. You don't want the manager going into the room and everyone saying oh here comes. Mr Makes it worse. Yeah, let me tell you very good to great coaches who do not need headsets dabbled sweating ninety two hits it. That's not that's not what he does. No Shade, no, obviously maybe the best coach of his era. Now what he does, it does Rod. Does, not eat ahead. Say No, no, no point, no purpose, no reason for you to be here now now. Who else is in the now? You don't really need it. Melt Matt Brown. Brown I'm to go low key Kyle Wittingham. At Utah Yao Call Wittingham set the point where he's got a system. Everybody knows what they're doing. He's got his assistance. Everything's GONNA RUN THE SAME WAY UTAH. By the way one of my favorite college football teams. Because guess they do hit people in the face. Yes, do you need to do something crazy or tricky? Tricky. Do you need to throw like an Anderson Silva like roundhouse? Kick now now they don't do that. They're going to hit you in the face. Everything's establish. Everyone's on the same page Kyle Wittingham. Probably the most underrated coach with receipts in America although I, guess he needs to get onto headset now to make sure his defense coordinator ain't saying nothing untoward. Probably should keep the defensive quarter off the headset. Trying to be honest, he should communicate with signals only yes, by the way. Never forget this about Kyle, Wittingham they didn't do it for that long. He did one of the boldest things in college football history that people don't realize. He had a twenty five year. Old Black Dude is offense coordinator in Utah in Utah now granted the. Florida now, or did he just do a stop it Florida? I believe I I i. believe did a stop it floor, but don't quote me on that got you by the way I also want to say this at audience fast before we get into this 'cause I know what's going on in the larger world. We are currently speaking at ten twenty eight pm Eastern Time I. AM telling you that to say? If this supposed bombshell Washington football team story comes out. If it comes out while we're talking, we'll get to it if it wastes too late. I'm sorry I'm not dodging it I would love to talk about it, but it hasn't happened yet. Although I am fascinated by the idea that it hasn't happened yet, but somehow everybody knows it's coming at everybody knows is really bad. Yeah don't by the way drag this out while pope, because the things that people will make up our never much worse than what's going to come now well well well well well, hold on, hold on. I will tell you what I know while gay plays music. Thank you for your patience. A representative from the bright time. We'll be with you shortly. Your current whole time is fifteen seconds. What I what I do think though it's kind of interesting in the way that I've seen people talk about this and I feel comfortable saying that people are talking about it here just because it's like reputable media members who are doing this right, and then of course it takes us to. Who knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody and they got a little something to say, and nobody knows exactly what it is, and it's all bouncing around in like crazy message boards. Sorts of ways that you do not see with NFL teams. This feels real real real collegiate cause for ninety nine ninety nine a year. You can get premium board and you can get the jump on just about everything. You also get the jump on a bunch of stuff. That doesn't actually check out. But everything that comes out you will find out you will find out in college circles. He can do this because. Is paid to be there. There are a lot of loose cannons who have absolutely no incentive to not talk about you and to not gossip if you are a booster, if you're a booster with a grievance, if you're somebody on board, there's nothing other than a sense of loyalty or noblesse oblige keeping you in the boat when it comes to keeping a rumor or A. A scandal down in the case of a pro franchise is different because you've got people who have paychecks on the line, people who are paid not to talk people who are paid to be confidential. This is what makes us so different to me. This is a professional sports franchise with a lot of money on the line and a lot of people on the payroll. Payroll of everyone's talking. That's how little loyalty Dan Snyder Inspires as an owner that people who are paid who might have signed FDA's and people who are definitely on the take are still talking because nobody cares about this man, know every owner of the team. That's not Dan. Snyder is trying to jump ship Fred Smith was like name gotTa Change Dog and by the way. Way? If there is something like radical that's going to drop. They have to wait until they get a new owner to change the name they have to. There's absolutely no way. Could this man have any influence on the name done? If the story is half as bad as purported, they can't let him have another second in that door. This is by the way again. Think about exceptions to exceptions and the environment that we are talking about the context how bad you have to be! Patient, Club of bloodthirsty billionaires who run the NFL? Who are admittedly about the dollar twenty four hours a day? How bad you have to be for everyone else to go. Yeah, this dude is beyond the Pale. We stand cranky or the Pegasus right. They're going to look ago. Yeah, let it slide. Let him go. Just give them out. And keep in mind. He's like an elder statesman owner. Yeah I'm looking right now at all. The teams in the League and I'm trying to count how many people have owned their teams longer than Snyder has? I got the Patriots the cowboys, the giants via inheritance, but you know I. Think Jeffrey Loria at the the eagles. Okay, so he's the new kid in that Whole Division Mike? Brown old terrible ass, Jerrell yeah. Yeah Yeah Gerald Gerald Longer Runnin the steelers, the bears it's basically all these inheritance is the lions like that's who it is, but the people actually had to buy their teams with their own money. Money It's only like a couple that have been there long Snyder. He commands zero respect, and by the way he commands zero respect for reasons that are not the same as the rest of us in large part cabal, zero respect for him think about this. He has what is considered on the books to be one of the most valuable franchises in terms of like yield per dollar in the NFL. Jerry Jones, will probably let him go jerry. Jones would sell for meat. If thought, it would get him a dollar, and he's going to let Dan Snyder out of the club happily. That is astonishing because he's done exactly on the books. What you're supposed to do in the NFL, he's maximize the Prophet he's managed to get a lot of money without actually putting out a quality product. That's the dream for an NFL owner to coast. I mean remember like college athletics as a perverse contradiction here, which is that in the pros the idea if you're an owner is to put out as bad a product with as higher profit margin as possible while still keeping people on the hook. And the redskins manages bypass that whole keep people on the hook thing and somehow managed to make more money and college sports. There's really you have to be good like that's. That's the thing. The only thing that matters actually is going to be your output because you can't be too profitable if you're too profitable. If you're too about the dollar, then it's GonNa become noticeable and people are gonNA catch onto the scam. You don't want the scam to be too obvious. Yeah, that's a great point that nobody gets paid dividends off a college football, right? It is this irrational system where people give up all this money just because they. Feel like they results, they want results and the pay that you're getting even in what I would call enhanced benefits packages for recruits at certain levels. The pay is so miniscule that you're the level to compete the bar you have to clear is so low for college basketball if you consider. The rumor is I think the number of Duke for Zion Williamson was what two hundred thousand dollars in this suit. There's alleging that he was paid two hundred thousand dollars. It's nothing that's all. That's all and that's an A. A sport where you have very few people on the bench football where you've got you know at least a three deep deep deep, depending on how you count it on scholarship that price per head goes down in terms of your level to compete point being in college, you actually have to be good in order to keep the pipeline going or everyone goes. The incentive is actually purely tied to wins and losses or the perception of how successful you are, and that last part was by the way for like schools. Schools like Vandy where somebody's winning six or seven against the year. Oh my God. What Miracles David cut cliff at Duke is you know is clear on the eight wind mark then? Yes, we're building statues to him. There will be a statue by the way of current. They still can't get ten thousand people to come to that stadium, which is really not their fault is what happens when your school doesn't have a local alumni base right, but they still get any I'm amazed. They get anybody to go there I. I absolutely amazed because. I just can't imagine like. Yeah, let's go to the stadium for a game. Why do you want to do that? Why would you watch football? I don't know maybe because it has like anti aging properties. If you've seen what happened to David cut clip there was he did. He posted a video about proper mask usage, and how you needed to wash your hands. It'd be careful with covid. Nineteen David cut cliff when he coached at Tennessee. I thought he was going to die. Yes, he. Yeah he you know he had. He had like a an incident with his heart condition. He was coaching Eric Age at one point. Yeah, and I remember that Eric almost killed him like they showed a clip of him in the booth and he had the action look of somebody who did not get enough blood to parts of his body that needed. Yes, thanks to stress and his heart about to give out. Then he posted a video where like I know, he's got new job. He's look. He's got a beard. He's looking slick. How stunned! I could not believe that ain't Is We all like him? I can't find the person who doesn't like him our. Buddy Steve White likes. Don't like nobody. Yeah, nobody would hits it. No and speaking of people who need to wear headsets. You want that Mandera. headset because peyton manning swears by it, so peyton manning says the do knows what he's talking about. He's on. Yes i. have still just waiting. When this Washington thing draw. If I mean, it seems pretty clear to me. That is going to and I've talked to enough people to know. This exists like this is not. This is not something. People are making up. It exists. We just don't know what it is and we'll boy. What's it like to be Rivera right now? I think he's good man. Good while he sorta good right? Ship that everybody's jumping off, but if a new owner comes then new owner is not necessarily onboard with Ron Rivera program well. He's also every coach in the NFL. What's your expectation college? You go man. I got to four years two to four years to go ahead and prove what I got for amount, and then we interface to successful, and if not I go coordinator Gig Okay Ron Rivera. Rodriguez Split mid-fifties yeah, yeah, okay, so rod. Rivera's thinking. What think like you think you go outta probably another five ten years in this profession that I could go sit on a boat. Now a situation where he's going to get a new owner well, does that new owner want to go ahead and just overturn the Apple Cart? No rods, nice rods players love him. Rod is a good dude. Rod has a reputation for being the good dude. You have this pile of burning trash. It was one thing that's not on fire Ron Rivera if I'm the new owner. What's the first thing? I grab Ron Rivera. Everything else I let it sale down the river. Rubber like it is his every relief they got. They got me thinking. Rod Rivera got a sketch pad. He's working all coming up a new voice. Because by the way I think they need to change the name. Obviously you know anything about me. You notice I feel but I also think they need to change it at twenty twenty one. There's no need to do this right now. They are talking about doing. Doing a massive entire rebrand in basically three months, which is the process that typically takes eighteen to twenty four months Gordon. Gar Trail Jerseys that are due to be out there with like whose whose job was to be to try to come up with a new, because clearly, Snyder hadn't thought about this his arrogance and put them in a place that he was not prepared for the inevitability of this date. So! What are they supposed to do like I, don't know. Be. Say when they go. Put up a new flag because OUTTA. Recall ever seeing that they were just like GonNa take this went down. It will work the rest out later. These guys were potato. We gotTA SEASON COMING UP. We gotta have a name. No, you. You don't have to have known the helmets. You don't have to have anything because you'll mess this up. No, they will one hundred percent. Mess it up. You also want to take too long. We'll get the NFL to involve because they were going to get something real, not creative, right? We're GONNA get something really bland. Remember expansionary football. We're going to give Seattle. We're going to give Atlanta franchises. What do we do? We gave them the same name. It was local birds like local. Her was basically what they said they were like well. I don't know this guys the seahawks. Falcons Falcons actually not a bad name because this place is invested with Raptors, you hear Hawks and Falcons downtown Atlanta all the time like it's a thing, but still when you give the NFL choices on these things they're just literally going to name it local team. They'll give it as close to the idea of local team if you give them to, it'll be local. Local team and local team, yeah, and every now and then they'll, they'll get it right for example Tampa Bay buccaneers Shaver Napa Zaveri pirate like place that when adds up? They were lazy with like the Panthers in the Jaguars those are not particularly creative. The Texans nope not only that creative are even done before. Yeah, we went ahead, just reheated that for you. Carolina Panthers I duNNo Carolina by the way. It's hard brand. Wise, because think about all the Sports Teams Carolina like our college sports teams. The names are deranged. They're insane niche there. Weird right? How do you explain anybody I? Just gave you this random assortment of words, okay? Wolf Pack Tarheels Demon, Deacons and pirates, how on earth the only one that actually makes like one hundred percent, broadly understandable sense in there are the pirates. East Carolina. That's it right because they've got a good solid black connection. You left out the blue devils. I'm sorry, yeah, but dealt see again. We can't get anybody to go to concerts hard to remember them. Like I realized that until De Basically like all the ACC, schools are two words report bad toes of sorts right, and then we go over here and we get. East Carolina, which is who Salah going on there I gotta be honest with you. My Buddy job is put a picture on Instagram of his vacation. He showed his brother-in-law. Joe's wife went to Carolina undergraduate to law school, and then I saw his brother-in-law word East Carolina Now's like us. and. Apparently he's not, but I think that was a reasonable presumption. All you need to know about East Carolina's when you go over that notable alumni list. What's the first name POPs up. McMahon and number two. Whoever runs the Golden Corral Empire. East Carolina Nutshell wwe Golden Corral I was new a woman as you explained to me that she had met some dude, and the do said he was like super rich or a, she went to his house in. House is very very nice. She asked you know kind of you know. Where did you get your money for? And she was like well. His family owns all the Golden. Golden, corral and I honestly thought he was a con man like when I heard the story I was like okay, like whose houses e e airbnb situation. No, then. I realized that the Golkar out. People were Ecu and I was like okay. Baby this. Maybe this adds up. Yeah, because I don't know if you go to Ecu, guess what you can come back to ecu. Anytime anytime. News that Mr Golden Corral but the way in my brain like in my grew up in the excerpts brain when you said that's the guy who owns all the gold corrales. My brain immediately said, that's not possible. No one person could control that much power. And if they should, it should be devolved to a series of managers, because no one person should have that much majesty in their hand. By the way I just had one of those moments right now where? You know those words here all the time, but you don't always know what it means. EXURBS is way high on the list so I put it in right fast and I was like Oh. Gosh it so like Arlington Texas is an expert. That's correct. Yeah, guided them cities outside of the cities that see themselves as their own cities, except they not really cities, because the whole point is that they close to a see? I will say this if you're a cultural landmarks in your city or something like a best buy. A, golden, corral at the stadium for a franchise, moving to a more tax, friendly environment. Yes, you might be from an expert but Al Jessica. Say of speaking of the EXURBS. Do you think the Tomahawk Chop is going to survive? Going to survive. I think it's good to survive because the fans will do it even if The Franchise Dobbs playing the song, they'll keep doing it now. It'll die out eventually, but you're looking at like ten to twenty years of embarrassed braves, fans looking at the guy up in the upper deck, doing going man that dude. Please stop, did I? Tell you. Somebody got about bitches. Yesterday we had a great point that the braves as they named. They change it to the Atlanta flight. For Delta. Like Delta and it fits so perfectly because that is we. We don't get a lot of white flight sports teams anymore. They stopped doing that. They did the thing and move back into the city. Not The braves the raised that not only did they white flight. They didn't ask if they could come. Nobody nobody nobody decide aired is like now. We've had enough if you go up there and it is the most music thing about their new location. If you go up there, their closest neighbor is a large mall. Yes, like a Kinda. I don't to say die mall, but it's definitely like on the downslope of its lifespan as a mall and for a long time they had like. A debate with them about parking, and that to me is delightful, because what better solutions you can't park at the mall, you sorry, the Malzahn Mall will tell you if you go and park at the braves game. That's your whole situation. The argument that people made when they moved up there that also tickled me. Was this saying well? They're moving a lot closer to their season ticket holders to their base and I thought you're so close to get your so close to appoint here. Why are they all up there? Why can't the pre attract new fans and come on? Ed by the way, the other of your base is still as far away from this new stadium as they were then, this would write like it's still. Oh, my God. I was so mad because we talked about this the other day when they moved up now. What does there's about couple of mall? It is in some ways dying one could argue, but even if it is living, it is living a blacker life than it ever did, and I will never forget as someone who was in Atlanta. During a different era of Atlanta that is the first and I talked about this on this podcast fairly often. It's the first black apple store that I've ever been to. If you go to North Dakota cab, which is another mall has had a second life. Oh, really, yeah, now. Another mall that has had a an entirely new life like the barber shop. There is a Taj. Mahal of barbershop dubs because the space is so cheap that you can. Just you can splash on the extras, right. A flat screen over every chairs, the aqua massage section of the barbershop where you can put your feet inside aqua massage chair. Well, you get your hair done the things that you can watch an joy while getting a lineup in the north, the cab. Malt barbershop. Exceed anything that you could get anywhere else in Atlanta because it costs nothing to be there, and it's still got the movie theater right so like still got a barbershop still got a movie theater and got a couple of specialty stores. That's all they need in order to keep them alive. The idea that Cumberland in north decabdes are now living like greenbrier and south cab used to. Is Mind blowing to me and I know some of you listening to this. Don't understand what we're talking. Talking about, but you know people from Atlanta does ask him about what we talked about with the malls. They'll sell it to you. We don't have time to get you OUGHTA background. I'm just telling you that. Greenbrier used to have a magic Johnson Theater and now Cumberland Mall Has Black Apple store. Yeah, it is astonishing. The way things have flipped in malls. They haven't done the one thing I want to do with malls. This indoor go kart track where you just drive through the mall. That's at the most at the empty. As most desperate malls take a go kart track, those electric go karts go like four hundred miles an hour and just let me live out my action movie fantasy of driving through them all on a car. That kind of fun. How much would you pay for it? The elasticity on this is crazy. Would you pay forty bucks to do that? I don't have a job right now and I would pay forty bucks to do that. Yeah, outer president, ask about this. Things will to blow forty bucks. Honor Oh eight different today used to be out to give a forty dollar run. Yeah, I'll do that. Now for infomercials per, se, but I'm definitely a mark for Instagram Matt's Yeah Hey. Why not give it a try? No, you're just you're feeding instagram and you're just turning. Just feed the beast right because they're just going to feature more crap. About this stupid thing, we're going to send him eight other stupid things. Really sure he's great. Do I want to crate full of Beef Jerky? Yeah, absolutely, it's only sixty bucks. I'll do it, yes. Now guys we to do here. You know is this day and age people like I'll make dob by party now which ain't necessarily would it is. We want to do, but the southeastern conference as so much sports in politics. Going on, that is actually fun to talk about in your political views only matter kind disorder in discussing them, so would you rather start with Tommy Tocqueville or destroys political life of Eight Oprah I'll tell you what let's start with those. Because Tommy Tommy was gonNA have his own momentum going to get head up start talking about all things he did as a coach to undermine the case for him ever having a role in political office, so let's start with those on. That's a good warm up, and then we're going to go. We're going to gain steam. It gets tougher bill. Yes, now, so does Ron. Hey coach at Lsu has been very interesting in terms of Louisiana Politics speaking of Louisiana politics especially I. Don't know if you're listening to this season a slow burn the David Duke Season Yeah. David Duke season, but I haven't listened to it yet, but this week is the episode and you feel about it. And I can't wait gotta wish whatever was the governor right? That would be so amazing interesting, and they probably get some things done, but anyway it was rod is a very good friend of John Bel. Edwards the governor of Louisiana and use those ride in the beginning to try to get people wear masks Edwards is definitely used his friendship odorata. Try to curry favor with voters like there's no separating the governor Louisiana from the football coach. You cannot take the politics out of this, but recently at. Ozora did some luncheon with Mike Pence, Not exactly sure, would you know? How does your on got into this? But he did something with Mike Pence knows said we're here football right? He says the world needs football. People are dying, and therefore we gotta give him football's Eddo. Giradi really believes in the healing power football and we need to get out here and we need to play football at all I want to know is what in the world does Mike Pence think of it. Oh, you're on. First of all I can guarantee you. He's from Indiana. The other Manson Louisiana actual communication uptake on either side about thirty percent. Mike Pence understands about thirty percent of what's coming out at Osha Ron's mouth and say this is somebody who I've had people turn all the subtitles on the TV? When does your outcomes on? People in the room, who I know are smart and I know Bend Louisiana but who just say I gotTa Give Up. He's the James. Brown of College Football Right Right? Just that low grumble that even if he even if Oprah didn't have an accent of any sort, it would be hard to understand. The issue was not the accent. No, the issue is that he he talks like twenty cycles. He talks like well down on the piano. Right like his. It's deep bass, and it's grumbly, and it's very hard to understand, and it comes at you very loud, which is even more confusing I wonder how many players under ETO? Didn't understand the thing he said, but we're just like I better. Do this real hard I because this is so intense. Yes, Elza WanNa know how would he plays depending on where they were Louisiana? It owes rods early days when he left the house. They were like, is he? Like, like you know like in New Orleans. He could be. Listen he can be all things. He is odor onto everybody. He can be all things to all people. Because at all times he has at Ocean on. If you make fun of Eto, draw right up, said this time and time again. It's very hard to make fun of somebody if they don't have something very sincere and genuine to them right and at all times Eto on his Eto. Eto Sean. He has no choice to be right. Yeah, he sounds like that. He acts like that that intensity that committed to what he does, and he is always on that hustle right I. Don't want Kylie Veron to overshadow actual Ed Osherov because yes, eddoes rasberry kind. Yes, Eddo. Ron is currently the CO governor of Louisiana, right? There's John Bel Edwards at. Yes coming off the championship, he has been vindicated. He is currently on top of the heap. There's also this Eddo. Surat is about that ride. No one recruits harder. No one watches more film. The he will not hesitate when it comes to pulling out a recruiting, trick or Gimmick. He will do that. He will do everything up to the letter of the law. In terms of what you can or can't do with recruit. He will do it as hard as everybody else. Ruthless remember after Katrina. Right, after Katrina. Tulane had an issue with its players. In that they were able to transfer out. Right given an exemption who was I at that doorstep? Owes Ron. I go just to roll up to lane and go hey i. know that you could stay in help your team rebuild after natural disaster. The nearly destroyed your university. However, would you like to come to old miss? That was one of the first guys to roll up and do that. Yeah, he was thinking. He was still at USC but. Da He was at Ole by the Yup, and if you need fresh bodies on the line, if you need to increase your depth need to put him on. On the roster they were right. There goes your I figured out very early that getting these kids to go to old missiles going to be a little trickier that he realized that there was no rule there was there was there was no time for him to miss. Whatever opportunity was by the way to answer the question about easy the way we knew. The Rod is not is A. He got the job at Ole, miss and be after that disaster. He was able to get another job. And other job and another job and get chances. which is twofold kind of thing? There's two sides one that coaches generally get another chance I know people say you know H-have we cancel a coach, or if we fire coach, or if you get a coach embroiled in scandal and makes too much of it then they'll never get another shot. There's almost no evidence for that. Tim Beck Minute. Illinois the that may be it in terms of the people who didn't get other chances to. He got that chance because his reputation for the basics in terms of what he was in his assets. He brings to a program. Really didn't change that much right one other point on that by the way when it comes to Ole. Miss and on not getting it done there i. want you to think about who did get it done there. What that says about where you always? Yes. Of like reckless and committed behavior when it comes to making a football program competitive in the SEC ED OC- Ron could get it done and Etto Schwab will wake up at like four thirty to get on the treadmill at what recruiting fell. And that didn't it done and hugh freeze did so what the hell was happening there? It was I mean he did walk in the door? A challenges players to a fight day. Would I mean they can't wit I? If you freeze did that, he'd get left out of the room, so maybe that'd be a good team bonding exercise. because. The Fan walks into challenges every five player in the room to a fight. That's. Why yes he's still squats three fifteen for reps and then goes on a run. and. He's in his fifties man. My knees weep if I think about doing half that. By, the way right fast, anybody got hugh. Freeze is a black lives matter. At Liberty I think liberties, official stance, regarding player, safety and covert is that no lives matter so it would be consistent with their policy to not say black lives matter because no lives matter under their return policy, which was so appalling that parents got like if liberty parents object to the practices that they use the player safety and Quarantine. Yeah I mean I knew the players were going to have an issue at this because they're young and the only thing they have to lose their health, but if the parents dove in, had said I don't know we send our kids to liberty, but we've got some reservations. That's something. This there's so much that is going. Go But I. I look at your odds saying that and I guess. It doesn't annoy me as much here it does. Rods say the we need football spiel. I guess is obviously maybe just because I, like them and also I just don't expect more of him. Because another person saying this like Davos saying this I don't laugh at off. Minnows Rod say I laugh at all. I don't know if that's fair. It's not just about NAB. I'll give you a long list of other guys that I would feel the same way about. Says it. I'm like cookie. Monster wants to play football well. Cookie Monster wants to play football, but I also know the cookie monster. That's where he's from and I know the cookie. Monster has some understanding of the community beyond the immediate terms of football. That's where he's from. That's supports families from its worst family lives and still lives. That's where he's GonNa live after he retires right I. Don't know if that's necessarily true Dabbagh right I mean I imagine hang around Clemson, but he wasn't born there. He's not from it by the. The way like being from Louisiana I think if you're a native, it means a little bit more in terms of your understanding of unique political circumstances that you face in Louisiana if he was at a thing, but Mike Pence, and was Hunky Dory and play with them then I think that speaks to the fact that half of Louisianans least we'll see Mike Pence and go That's a friend that's somebody that I like walking in the room and I think Oprah from a political perspective understands that as CO governor right of. Of the state that you know he's GonNa. Try to play. Nice with him to get the message across that. We need to make this happen because it adds mind, it's all about that. It's all about getting football on the table, so we don't have to play a spring season, so we don't have to postpone the season or cancel it entirely. He's going to do whatever he has to do. Two Point Lsu, the community and himself towards football. Yeah, boy I gotTa remember Ray Lewis head that thing about The Lockout House. House go increased crime as because there's the thing to do sal. I thought that he was being a little ridiculous. You put it in the context Louisiana. I'm not sure now. Worry about louisiana-born worry about Texas they talk about way. Go ahead Texas. Is School football that is cause for concern on a number of levels. However, I still feel like in Texas you go find some to do with maybe a couple of hour drive, but you can get to it even if as you can find a Louisiana proudly bad ideas. Oh listened. Louisiana tiktok is going to be lit. You could go on there. There's a Hashtag called Louisiana. Check now. Has People just doing all kinds of like like live and raw stuff Louisiana like like wrestling alligators and take ATV's and putting them in swamps. Triple it, it's going to be just a collection of like misdemeanors and felonies. Talk if the Louisiana Hashtag is allowed to proceed without football and the thing about Louisiana Weird though that people don't get is that they're like four different types of it like there is no one. Bobby Boucher like no. That's one kind of this. Occasion the. There's the Villa Shreveport stuff like that case. That's validate is like regular white people like that's all. Like you're? You're Tulsa metropolitan area. The Tulsa Tulsa report METROPLEX. Of Sort of quasi Texan Arkansas let's. That's true. Grit territory, technically right. Yes, so you get a lot of like young rooster cogburn up there yet doing foolishness, then you get your your sort of state right, which is like what I would consider year Louisiana night. Crowd rights at this. You're more your lsu crazy white boy crowd. Typically, that's the stereotype and then you get yourself by ten so by ten cage, and then you get new. Orleans which you're not discussed before. New Orleans on its own. Is it like if you have somebody? If you've met somebody in there like I'm a poet? I've recently jump from a three storey building on a dare. And I also play the violin and. Sometimes set off fireworks endorse for fun. That person's from New Orleans I don't. See an idea to tell you that. This person is from New Orleans? Yes, yes, Bub boy! For Bad taste, it tells the story. He said he had a whole boy accustomed to somebody who was tried to explain the difference between people in the projects in New Orleans it. People in the projects in baton. Rouge you please understand afraid and his cousin a black people, so they can say somebody's things before you get a little nervous and he was like. In the projects in new, Orleans lease. They you know people reading literature tour play classical music in the projects at bed. Ru, they'll just ignorant and I don't know if speak to the ignorance of the projects at ban routes, but that is the kind of thing that you'll find out of nowhere in projects in war, and it's like this. The idea that somebody will go shoot. Two people wash his hands and then go read poetry somewhere. That's New Orleans. Yeah and I like you to understand Louisiana if you talk about somebody just to bring it back to back like at Osan, aware football falls under this. Everybody gets on the same page. When it comes to football, they'll and the most dangerous place to be in a world without college football in New Orleans right and without college football. Louisiana is that a New Orleans Saints Game How over-pressured are the saints going to be if they manage to get a product on the field this fall? Yes, how? How over determined the outcome of every single game the last time they delivered right right. That's how they got the AFC championship game. Did they one of those circumstances? We left out one Louisiana, which is like Louisiana. My Daddy's look Oakdale, which is Kinda geographically is at the Vertex of the right angle on the northeast part. Yeah, I got You know it looks like A. Is So at that point in the center of the ill, and so you get your various like domestic Louisiana right like I feel like that's not like eight wife. Oh says Israel just white folks, right? Did you got black people, but also cause Alexandra is not too far away before pope. you get your Vietnamese? And there's a strong South Asian population. You want to talk about accents Jack. And then you want to talk about the one thing that's going to get everybody in a lather is this if the saints don't pick up this football, and if the saints drop it and if they don't go to a championship game where they don't at least give eastern run as you say like okay last time, they delivered yeah. For their own welfare, yes, if they weren't properly motivated. By the demands of the Louisiana populous, that's. Now you take, lsu remember Lsu did real well to. Back real strong from that as well what are they gonNA do without that? I WOULD WANNA be on the Saints Roster this fall no and I'd also I'd say the NFL as much as I enjoyed them blowing that call. They kept the saints out of the Super Bowl, because whatever it takes, it was more fun to think are robbed than it would have been if they lost it fair and square. Don't play gains these people. This this this time. No, sir, no, Sir I actually like of all the places where I hope football happens Louisiana's one of them, 'cause it's. One. It's a great party to. It's one of the places where they actually have the bandwidth to do double duty to pick up the NFL and college like they they will do both I think there's a lot of places where it's I do this on the weekends. And then there's the day where a Moma lawn and in Louisiana is and in Texas, too. I think there's a fair amount of this. Okay on Saturday I watch football, and then on Sunday I also watch football, yes. It's. This state gives how many millions of dollars a year do audits is actually not big enough in the state is not enough to support an NFL franchise financially. The saints are basically a State University. You like how much money would be too much for the saints a million. They give much more than that. Way Much more than that tends of millions. Yeah, yeah, to keep them there and it's because of all of the things that you say okay Louisiana everything is under-funded. It is a state under considerable pressure economically and in terms of a crumbling infrastructure that one thing that. Louisiana will always support in terms of attention time dollars love. It's what ball and on top of that by the way like. It's one of those places. Just let like last note I have. Louisiana says they will roll straight from football. And they will without pause role do basketball and baseball. At the same time there's like there is no like Oh. You know what I think. I'm just GonNa take a break from lsu comeback for football. Fault No! Those targets needs you. Those big burly boys do nothing, but hit home runs. which at one point early on in the history of the baseball program were definitely not the product PD's. They need you guess what we need you in basketball? Too, and they just show up. They just like they keep coming. It is relentless like if you just translated the van fitness of the lsu Fan to the physical plant. They'd all be altered runners right? They just keep going, but what's also interesting with? Regard is that this isn't just about Lsu. There like that is southern. Right like they're like that at. Louisiana Lafayette I. I it is. Either they do it or they don't. Please stand about Louisiana. There's a lot that they don't. Put if they do they do it to death one hundred percent commitment at all times. It's absolutely astonishing which I guess. Is You know like again back back to the point? Why at? Like butting up with Mike, Pence, it's that desperate. In terms of what he feels is a need right both on a personal end on a cultural and political level for Louisiana to have football will Louisiana be okay without football. Yeah, they will die, but at the same time will be a lot better if there's football. Yeah, yeah, because that's the thing that continues. That's the thing that endures. That's the thing that lets everybody know that there's at least some semblance of routine there, even if there's no fans in the stands. How much uptick do you think there's been on diy alcohol giving these economic times. These economic pounds and none of Your Business. That's the answer. That'd be my answer ready. That's what I would anticipate. If somebody would go, where'd you get this? You GotTa for me, didn't you? Get I think that's my business isn't a whole lot of alcohol. Abuse data to spray bottles. I would bit by the way that's an especially powerful Trans South at ten, I remember that first time I gotTa Suite at Cole and boy. Never again like I'm not in that much of a hurry. Yeah I would also this by the way, but that if you if you weren't drinking that, you might be getting beer from a third party or Fourth Party source, you might be getting beard that somebody that that fell off a flatbed somewhere there right when the supply chain breaks down. Guess what the beer keeps coming. Out You don't WanNa know he. Now, let's talk about our. Shall We. So for people who do not know or remember time each other bill. Bill was reasonably successful. Head football coach in college, but I also WanNa read off to you the journey. The top youtube has had in his life. You know where he went to college. Yes I. Do he was a Mule Ryder I had no idea. He went to southern Arkansas University and by the way he must have been really mediocre football player vest. Only place he i. he went there on a golf scholarship. All K-. Learn more things right, so Tommy Ville did that. He graduated with Southern Arkansas University. He was an assistant coach before becoming the head coach at a place called Irma's high school in urban is I think that's how he said herbage, Agr, MIT. Yeah, okay There's where he was from nineteen, seventy, six, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, after which he moved up to the big city to go to Jonesboro Arkansas to coach at Arkansas state where he coached the following positions defense of. linebackers and knows guards yeah, not defensive ends because apparently. QUITE SLOW! What kind of separation of duties is that all right so after that? Where do you go? If you're Tommy Tub reveal after you coach for five years at Arkansas? State and then you take a year off. Where do you go for your next job to work for the next eight years, and the answer of course is the University of Miami. Can I give you this? Though and then off here I do not. He ran a catfish restaurant. Oh, right because he would still recruits about ready to cafes, right? That is correct, so if you WANNA know the career arc is even weirder than you think. He went from Jonesboro to catfish restaurant. To the University of Miami where his first year was the year, they would fatigues off the plane where it was roommates with at Ozora. was there, but they had fire right because he was too wild for Miami. If you WANNA, know how what a while boy odor on was before he We'll talk about this. He got sober. Cleaned up doesn't drink. He was a recruiter and awhile boy for the adversity of Miami so wild that he couldn't stay on at the University of Miami. So if you want to know what a wakeup call us and your life when the University of Miami and its heyday fires, you as an assistant, says you too much. That's a moment listen he did. It's also worth noting he has the discipline of Miami. Football Writing Mike all the stuff that we talk about is Miami football in heyday, but some of it was there from eighty six to ninety. Ninety three okay, think about all the guys that ran through Miami at that point that also means he was there for the Ericsson era, which is the wild this era of college football of any team that's ever been reasonably successful where the players were one hundred percent in charge of everything, so those are the guys that Tommy Topa bill was hanging out with before he went to. Texas am which interesting time to be. They're also then he coaches ole miss where he helps. Get people to stop waving the flag games because you know the players don't like that right hard to recruit. On the record, saying that in public right is, he was doing quietly. He was no front audits out front, and saying about the moral case for it, but if y'all wave that flag, it's hard for me to get talented black players here yet, strictly a recruiting ploy any eventually gave up, and went to Auburn, where he had this run where it was very interesting between Oh who used to be his assistant, actually between Oh. They tried to give his job to. Pacino portrays like I'm listening. Reveal somehow survives has an undefeated season the next year and then runs its course. He had his typical Auburn experience where you have a really good year like one every four years, and then they get mad at you, and then it's time for you to go. He leaves he coaches. Texas Tech Coaches Cincinnati, but he was seen as a guy again he. He coached at Miami Right. He won the Republican nomination for Senate in Alabama Be Jeff sessions and I just can't imagine how furious jeff sessions is about this and top bill is all in the trump train. Right like with him. This is that he was on the trump train and sessions. who had been the senator before it all this stuff, not the. So now this is where top reveals stands right now and I saw a story in the Washington Post where they went back to talk to his old players. And even the Republicans are like Yo I can't believe this as in recognizing man have no idea who's out here, right? Nobody knows what's going on here and he's trying to win this and he has decided the his ticket to win in. This is GONNA be racism, basically just flat out raises because one thing he's not telling you is that he had anything to do with the confederate flag coming down at Ole, Miss. Correct the other thing too, but. Couple things. If we just let God do his work. And gotten out of the way. We wouldn't be dealing with this and by that I. Mean if we had let mega booster Bobby lowder fire, Tub Ville on the sly, after a covert it with bobby between back two thousand four is all three. Yeah, if you just let mega booster, bobby ladder, do his work. And Higher Bobby Trina at. We wouldn't be in this situation note because what happened in two, thousand, four. Yeah, two, thousand four. They go undefeated. The year that Tommy village uses as the anchor for his entire resume the single point of excellence, unquestionable excellence when they go undefeated, miss out on a national title shot. Why 'cause they scheduled the citadel. That's why USC and Oklahoma and meeting in the title. Game right because. They scheduled the citadel. There was a big thing about sec schedule weakness and I think a completely valid argument about SEC schedule weakness in the occasionally padded their schedule with cupcake games like the citadel. Auburn ends up missing out on that and plays Virginia. Tech I think they end up playing a like. This is also by the way peaked double to have an undefeated team that goes to their big game at the end of the year, and they have like a sixteen thirteen snooze. Yes like I think it was sixteen thirteen against Virginia Tech that ear, which is that was going to be because that's just kind of football Virginia Tech Played But, anyways we three first round picks offense with Cadillac Williams. Ronnie Brown in the backfield and Jason Campbell quarterback. Yeah, by the way another thing ruined by the Washington. Football Franchise Jason. Right on the long list of things ruined by the Washington football franchise, but if we just let that happen, if you just let bobby lowder work, okay in college football when you see the big man with money coming through, let them do their thing Lemieux the thing because you know what you might have prevented this. Bizarro Evil Senate campaign that Tommy Phil's running in Alabama if. If you just let Bobby lowder work. We wouldn't even be talking about this. He'd just be a happy memory. The defensive coordinator misstate or something right now, but no, no, no, no, we actually had to get that all out in public, an act like it was the thing instead of what bobby ladder wanted was best for everybody. All credit where credit is due here to. With Tub reveal. This is a complete one eighty from the man who walked up to the desk at SEC media days one year without a single reporter, hassling him, and then when as later about. How he was able to do that. Set off, sweet anonymity loved a loved that the coach has got mob and Tommy Tucker Villca just walk up. His whole thing at Auburn was to just keep it low. Keep it low profile. He'd the expectations as low as possible and just be chill, and this is so deeply until like is entire. Campaign is the opposite of that. Now, the, Is Coming back in the other direction, because the problem that he has is that he doesn't have a record as a politician. But he has a record as a coach and also I think this is something that's important note I think that people from outside of Alabama and outside the South believe that the state of Alabama is like fifty percent Alabama fans and fifty percent Auburn fans. That's not really how it works. The State is overwhelmingly Alabama fans or I'd say mostly probably a better way to put it mostly. Alabama Fans Auburn fans are the minority which is to say that there is also a whole lot of people in this state who are always ready to tell you everything the time Tocqueville has ever done wrong because reveal was doing this while they were beaten the pants off of Alabama every year at apparently, one of those people runs the twitter account for. For the Alabama Democrats because they have all the college football jokes right now, and this is going to be hilarious. Oh now. You just get to drag every single skeleton out of the closet. You get to drag lavandier out of this. You get to drag losing to Uconn when he was at Cincinnati. which you can't. Nobody should lose Yukon and football in the past five years. It Yeah Tommy. Bill Somehow managed to do it. They'll drag out my favorite thing when he was at Texas, Tech. At a recruiting dinner got the offer for the Cincinnati job was at a steakhouse house dinner hosting recruits. And left half way through the meal. Never to return. Out of Lubbock just gone yes, by the way Mrs Tauber Ville never moved to Lubbock. She's eight at the Beach House. And I believe Gulf shores and never moved to Lubbock. He absolutely was like I'm here until I can get out. no, and was all about it. Ed then managed to to slap an assistant upside the head on camera while he was there. I'll forgot about that Texas Tech Yeah. You know who didn't forget about. It won't forget about it. The Alabama Democrats twitter account. They're going to remember all this stuff. Yeah, he he, he took upside the head. He took his hand upside, the head to one of his assistants to listen to this was from the Alabama and I'm not. Not Campaigning here I just find this to be hilarious. They're talking about notorious for like getting a lead and trying to sit on. It and sessions tried to use that against him. At some point about you know essentially what point on full offensive on the jeff sessions stuff, and then like full office of on the football like it. Just it totally charted. Toby. Toby will squad lead the Alabama Democrats the technical tougher Shell. TRY TO BE MISSISSIPPI state three to five. This is these are the things that they're talking about it. I can't stop laughing at everything that is Alabama Democrats legit the story of his career, a finger in the wind and the foot out the door. Yeah, the memory is long. They will also bring up stuff I'm sure that has nothing to do with his football career whatsoever like that. He is not to participate in any kind of financial management schemes due to a million dollar investment fiasco with a partner who is pictured by the way in the blindside with him, in Auburn gear in his role in the blindside. Yeah, that's the guy they're going to remember it all and it's all. All there is the thing and this is something that he gets coaches that there are coaches who manage to go through and be all about football, and then there are coaches who somehow managed to get their foot caught in other traps, and along the way it's not like Tommy, Thompson reveals stepped in every single bear trap that being a person of means can afford you a in the southeast in particular, but he stepped enough of them that they're going to become an issue in the Senate. Campaign is important. It's impossible to keep the sports out of your politics here. Because this man's all been about sports and yet has made mistakes that extended. Off The field? Yes, rather way this I think is a fascinating insight into the state of Alabama. That's a bit underrated because I think people here the idea of a college football coach running for Senate and winning, and you find out place like Alabama doesn't seem strange but I want to point out to football coaches who are run for the Senate and lost in their states. Bud. Wilkinson lost running for Senate in Oklahoma. Okay Bud Wilkinson. Tom Osborne, you know he spent all that time in the house be. He tried to run for the Senate lost. Lost Yeah by the way. If we were to go ahead and summarize, would you describe Tommytucker Bill as being on par with those guys professionally in terms of records results in reputation as what I'm saying. He coach the right team. In order to do this. Even coach the right team that tells you so much about so much about Alabama. I think it made sense from the start. Because if I had high expectations with somebody as football coach, right, I would have the same expectations of them as a politician if I got a blank slate. If I have a perfect, if I have a guy who's just above five hundred. And his Unin I describe in some ways as unremarkable. which if I'd ask you to I, would say well. What's the Tommytucker Ville team I'd say they're the kind of team. That's probably GONNA. Try to hold the ball for quarter much. What's a better description of a senator? What am I gonNA? Do I'm going to be unremarkable? Say Nothing and obstruct perfect. He's actually a better candidate. The Bud Wilkinson there Tom Osborne because they actually went on to win. Things actively instead of just waiting for you to screw up perfect candidate, my opinion, we need to think more on another day of college football coaches that we wish had run for office at some point like. Would you donate to the Johnny Majors? Campaign? Nobody I got one for you. Barry Switzer. He. There's no way he'd lose no modestly. They already made a movie about that. It's called the Distinguished Gentleman Eddie Murphy. Anywhere Shirley. Ralph like I feel like that's what it would have been like various wizar- it run for Congress think is funny. I feel like a Barry Switzer had rented like eighty five. He would have run under a completely different platform that he would. It's what he twenty. Yeah. No, it would've been completely different, but he would have won. If you told me if you said Barry? Switzer is running as a hardcore socialist in Oklahoma I'd still even money on auto but I don't know if he could win Oklahoma I. Do know if he could win in Texas and the reason I don't know if he could win it, Oklahoma, but he could win in. Texas Texas has a lot more black people. That's probably true burs. GonNa win that. There's GonNa win that every time. Yeah, he had to overcome some beef with some people right you know, but ultimately Oklahoma didn't have no black people to secure victory for a Barry Switzer, but that is my man. Spencer Hall Jack. Where are we checking you out now? What we'll go twitter? At ESPN. That's where I'm at primarily right now. Due to the flex in our industry at the moment, but it's all good. If you check out the info seven just Google Simpson. That's our Bizarro, NC Double A.'s science fiction Western based on the early days, the NC double a. and the establishment of amateurism. There's a also a train robbery in it. So you know, learn some stuff about how we got the system in the first place you know read about a train robbery that I just made up off the top of my head as a metaphor for what happens in college athletics. 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