19 Episode results for "Rock Hall"

Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: What's Going On (With Our Show)

Pantheon

18:39 min | 1 year ago

Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: What's Going On (With Our Show)

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the rock hall, a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame, names joke was on and I. Know Too much about the Rock Hall of fame with me as always is. Kristen stuttered. Who Doesn't care about the Rock Hall as much low, Kristen? Hello, still don't care yeah. If. If you listen to the show, you know that we have not put out a regular episode in a few weeks, and we just thought it would be appropriate to kind of explain what's going on and what our plan is from here on out. Yeah, so with all of the the current. Social uprising the revolution in the air dare I say it. a lot of focuses rightfully being put on racial justice and racial equality in this country and equality of all kinds in this country, and you know it didn't doesn't feel necessarily like the time for us to be adding our voices to this conversation. Yeah, absolutely, it feels like a time. A little bit of reckoning for a lot of people, and maybe you could call it. Waking Up to things for people who may be have been asleep innocence. I, and that yeah, given the moment it feels like there are some very important things to focus on and for us to kind of crab that conversation. I just didn't sit right with us. So yeah as people have heard, we've just been putting out songs that are protest song specifically from black inductees without any commentary from us, it seems like the time right now of listening and reflection in general, and so we've been putting out these songs kind of giving us all an opportunity to listen and listen to the voices that need to be heard and reflect on the messages that they're saying. Our interpretation of them is really not part of the equation Right now, or does it need to be? Absolutely does not need to be you know up until this point I think Joe. You would very much agree with us. We were kind of wondering how what direction to take the show in especially because of the pandemic there and the postponement of the actual. Induction ceremony. Yeah, right? Yeah, so it has been I would say apparent to anyone who's listened in especially apparent to that we are. We had been spinning our wheels and the show was as a frivolous. As it had probably ever been. Which is saying a lot I don't know we used to. We used to do I. Think I know what Song you're playing or like. What are I recognize the name of that song or remember version of name that tune I would say. That was peak frivolity. Bong. Right right right lighting. We were slouching toward this thing bong to that and you know and we and because of the pandemic we liked the idea of putting out content, and both for you guys in for us giving us something to do each week, but the reality is the the add the induction ceremony isn't until November, which is about five months from now, and in Chris, and I were talking earlier like that is one and a half pandemics up to this point, so you can imagine if you felt like this pandemic has lasted a long time just to get to where they're optimistically planning the induction ceremony is going to be even longer than that. So you until there is any. Rock Hall news or it feels like the induction ceremony is actually going to happen. We actually can have some things to say and talk about We are just going to continue with the songs, just kind of by themselves, and specifically I'm most likely going to go back to that first class, nineteen, ninety-six and exclusively with black, artis. Highlight protest songs, and I'll just go chronologically and have no. No idea how many songs that will be your how long that will take I'm going to start off just doing one song per artists. Loop back around of, but we'll see, and that just seems like something that we can do. That doesn't eat up too much time, but feels like an appropriate thing, given the moment and given the context of our show. We encourage you or I encourage. And take this time to. To Reflect I. Mean We talk a lot on this show I? Try to stay centered in the in speaking about equality when it comes to inductees when it comes to nominees, the Rock Hall is a White Patriarchal Institution. We talk about it all the time and I. Don't know I hope the next time that we do in episode. It's because there's been some sort of reckoning within that organization you know I'm looking forward to maybe them doing some soul searching and there being some sort of. Reorganization of of that institution I think now is the time for institutions to be examining themselves in getting to the root of the inherent white supremacy. In almost every organization in this country and the Rock Hall not an exception in this regard and I hope that they're doing some reflection. They don't think that just you know. We'll just stay quiet until November. inductive underway people like you know. I hope that there is some major reflection happening in there. Yeah, and that it's any change that they make is significant, because it's very easy to put a band aid on these types of things, yes. Toothless statement saying the Rock Hall has always stood with black lives black artists bla-bla-bla. Yeah in it. Also not saying that the changes that need to be made will be easy, because this is also an organization that reflects the music industry. which itself is built on an. coopting black culture and it's built on racist, not just policies, but it's there's racism in the very bones of the music, industry and rock and roll itself is Black Music and a lot of rock and roll in. It's something we. We've touched on here and a lot of black music is taken and commodified by white people and. Just built into the whole, the whole system, and the very idea of rock and roll. It has always been there from the beginning in racism has always been there, so there's a lot to think about from an organizational level, but then to reckon with the the racism that has always existed in this industry. Yeah, I mean it's a and this is a national worldwide reckoning where we must all. Look inside our own cells, and also all the institutions, which we are a part of and recognize, and then fix, and it's going to take a lot of work and I I. Mean Boy. It would be awesome if that happened I. don't have a ton of optimism on that one, but if ever a change was going to happen, now would be the time I would love for our next episode to be about the changes that are happening within the music industry I'm within the Rock Hall and you know within our own show, and within our own minds I mean you can't just decolonize your online i. We are certainly open to any feedback that you all might have about that aspect or any aspect of our show. Don't put it in a review. You can send it to his personally. We're we're open to that as well you know we. Certainly, not incorporated as many diverse voices as we should have. An is on our mind, so you can know that. We do think about and listen. You know one of the reasons that we're not going to be having this show for a little bit at least in the in the way that it normally was as we understand, and we understand we're doing it right now. We are white voices, talking about these things, and we encourage you to seek black voices who are talking about this because. Because those are really the ones that you should be paying attention to and listening to you know we're saying are just because we feel like we own episode to kind of explain if you're a fan of the show, and you and you listen, but really we encourage you to listen up specifically to the black voices who are really the ones that need to be hurt. The Truth and Talamante Okay our our plan, so we were a bit had ahead of schedule on recording are episodes and the past ten weeks, or so. We had been doing playlists Corentin themed from each Rock Hall Class and we'd worked our way backwards. From twenty twenty and the last one we released was two thousand twelve. We actually did record. One for twenty eleven am when it came around to. To release that episode, we felt it was inappropriate and not needed, but we do have this episode. This twenty eleven rock hall quarantine playlist episode. If you'd had been enjoying these playlists episodes, and you would like this episode to listen to. We would love to give it to you, but there's a catch. It's a good catch though he want access to listen to what real. We are right now. If you want access to this super exclusive content, please donate to inner city arts. Inner City Arts isn't organization here. In Los Angeles dedicated to just that they in particular help underserved youth receive arts programming. They have her grams INSKIP. As well, and they have music program in arts, programming in there are really cool organization and. If you donate to them and send us your receipt, we will match your donation and also send you access to this little exclusive episode from a different time. It will really feel like an artifact, but yeah, you can go to inner dash, city arts dot org and the donation page will be on there, and you can also read about this great organization in and see what they do and. And what their mission is, and then, of course you can send us that receipt at rock. Hall pod at G., Dot Com and again we will match that, and then we will send you some glorious glorious content to just take a screen shot of your receipts on either on your phone on your computer and send that over to us. Yeah, Joe and I are matching our own pockets. Pockets. Let's get. Let's get some arts skits. Inner Arts going. Yeah, we would like that. It feels appropriate. Given a what we We talk about every week, so go and do that and you can. Also you can for email your receipt. If you want to do that, that's another. But, yeah, so I think that about covers it and we'll be going off the air so to speak until the Rock Hall feels like a thing that's appropriate to talk about. which might not be until the fall and who knows if there's even going to be an induction ceremony November, so it might be even longer than that. We're not going to talk until there's something to talk about. Yeah or go back when there is news and in the meantime like Joe said. Please listen to lack voices and educate yourself right now is a really great time to be reflecting on this country and our history. Making some really great plans. For the future, absolutely and yet from here on, it'll just be protest songs from black artists, and will end this episode on one of those as well. I think it's only appropriate given that we were. Explaining. What's going on with our show? That, we play from nineteen seventy-one. Marvin Gay's. What's going on right? We'll see. No eight. Talk. About. Win. Interesting. Law. Fixed Fishing. Right Marcus here to promote something. We're really excited about our upcoming episode with one of the authors of the new book brother Robert subtitled growing up with Robert Johnson we will speak with Preston Louder Bach who co wrote the book with Anya Anderson Robert Johnson's half sister and in our interview. He gives us a view of how his book will affect. Blues History I think it will certainly add a personal dimension to it that fans of Robert Johnson have lacked people. Keep asking me well. You know this book exploded the mythology and I really think that those two portraits hang side by side. He gives us insights into the mindset of Robert Johnson as he made his way into adulthood. He grew up with. Several, different last names, and you can only imagine what kind of an identity crisis that would cosworth person, and he gives us a glimpse of Y. The long held notion of Johnson, as a loner was wrong. Robert didn't divulge his family history around his friends, and he didn't really go into his music career with his family, and so he very deliberately kept these lives separate, and yes, we will discuss the de. We will release our interview. And what we see is the truth about this important figure in music history on July. Sixth to set the table were re-releasing are two episodes about Robert Johnson and the progenitor of the Blues on June twenty, ninth and July, second to wet your appetite for this exciting new story line about the Great Robert Johnson catch all of it here on the imbalance, history of rock and roll on the Pantheon podcast, collective or wherever you get your podcasts. By.

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Rock Hall (MM #3707)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | Last month

Rock Hall (MM #3707)

"The Maison with Kevin Nathan yesterday. I was talking about how my wife was upset about the fact that this is us is ending, and we all have those weird things in life, we really care about. And I guess, you could say, I'm guilty of something, too, because they announced the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees this past week. And I'm not exactly excited the band. I wanted most Devo, one of my favorites didn't make the final round, Foo Fighters. Girl goes Jay-Z, Carole King, Todd. Rundgren Tina Turner all making it. Of course, everybody says Jay-Z is in Iraq, act, but we can argue about that till the cows come home. Neither was the Notorious BIG or even Whitney Houston, but what got me really incensed wage. Was that my favorite band of all times, Kraftwerk went in as an early influence, they were off the main performer about it for years. Never understood why they didn't go in when there's so many bands out there, claiming that they're an influence to them. But now they'll go in as early influence, to me, it's kind of a lesser extent, it's not quite the same thing. It's going in with an asterisk. Next to your name in a way, the Rock Hall upsets me again. As it does everybody, it's those silly things we care about and we don't know why wage

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2013

Rock N Roll Archaeology

53:26 min | 1 year ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2013

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the Rock Hall. A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah and I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame with me as always via zoom video chat is my co host. Doesn't care as much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Some would say. She's rather skeptical of the institution. It's kristen stuttered truly carrying less each. And every day that this quarantine continues I can tell you that there was a time when you could feel my care mounting. I think the listeners often commented that I now really seem to care and boil. Boy I can tell you even with all this time to think the amount of time that I spend thinking about L. Rock Hall is limited to one hour per week while we recruit. Yeah and would you say it's dissipating? Yes roundly it's really hard to give a shit. I mean it was really hard before and now it's like even harder like the Rock Hall. You guys remember the Rock Hall. I get that but kristen. We have the doing playlist episodes in quarantine. We've been going year by year for each rock hall class. I am picking quarantine theme songs for each inductee and I would say you've you've found some songs through our journey that you enjoy definitely. I've been enjoying this journey. It's neat it's neat. I wonder if people miss US having guests pants. If you want to register your complaint how to do that. Don't do it by leaving. Us review do it in an email and then we'll email only glowing five star reviews goto agents okay. Let's go to I tunes complaints. Go to the Mountain WanNa make fit abundantly clear also complaints. Go only to joke all. I don't want to hear him don't you. Don't you dare involve Kristen drama? Kristen this general role. This is our eighth Corentin playlist. We are working backwards. And we've made it to twenty thirteen and as our listeners. Know at this point you have no idea what you odd sort four. We absolutely no clue twenty thirteen year. I moved to Los Angeles. Get Lucky was the song of the summer fight. That's what I remember. You know this. The twentieth thirteen ceremonies. One of the rare ceremonies where it was in Los Angeles. Well a rare amount. Please forgive me. I know you had to do it. And I'm gonNA I instantly must i. There was nothing else I could do. It was coming out of my mouth before I could even think twice and even then I was like who really who cares. Sorry so what happened at this rare money it was in Los Angeles. I believe it was. La Live downtown. Oh yeah yeah one of those. I from what I understand. Yeah so as our listeners. Know at this point I try to tell a story through these song selections and let's begin by you know I feel like when you ask someone how they're doing. Nowadays there always has to be a preface. There has to be conditions like you say well all things considered or you say given our situation right in Calvin adjusted terms to be due to right. Because there's a there's a lot of circumstances so the first song we're gonNA listen to is a song called circumstances by the band rush a and That was circumstances by rush. That is off their sixth studio album. From nineteen seventy eight hemispheres. That was not a single raise. It was released as a single it. Do they do any numbers? No chart at all. I went into that song being like. Wow a rush song. That's only three minutes and forty siphons. You know that's not that long and I came out of that song being like that was only three minutes and forty seconds. How sweeping in long truly did at about two minutes and thirty seconds? I was like well. That wasn't a bad song and then I looked down at the counter and I was like there's still over a minute left this song because it has like many prog rock songs. It has different almost movements. Yes exactly. Here's what I will say about Prog Rock. It does not want you to get lulled into a groove going to change it up. It does not want you to just SORTA get into it. Get Out of the group all right that could be progress folks motto get out of the groove because and there were parts of that I really enjoyed. I like the kind of soaring hearts. That's nice his voice is interesting. They're singing in French. It was a journey. But I don't know that I was like on it. I don't I've looked. Yeah you were witnessing it and you yeah respected on some level but the thing about rush I think is that they are especially with getty lease voice. It's very much acquired taste. And if it's not one of their more mainstream singles it's hard to make an entry way into listening them unless you're already on board you're already a fan. It's people who are like you know I would love to figure this one out. Math approach music like a math problem. They're like WHOA. Whereas I I liked to approach music more. Like a like a ride. I like to get on and go okay. And this. This is a herky-jerky ride I understood. Let's move on then. We have to say these circumstances have put us in a well. Yeah the circumstances. It's dangerous outside in with other people. It's it's difficult to Michael Jackson. You can't leave the house you could call it pandemonium you could call it all sorts of things with basically. You're safer at home because it's a jungle out there which is what we're GONNA LISTEN TO FROM. Randy Newman out in confusion everywhere. Do we see John? How know within the as the worry all the time you be better might be wrong but this this is Joe. Wow David Bro. Against Powell only Tiller John. Allowed to on the camera on North. Even the ones grazing amount of of you. When do all this Exactly WHAT ALL RUN A Mon? The kitten with Zeus. That was it's a jungle out there by Randy Newman. That is off his twenty seventeen album dark matter but some listeners. I'm sure recognized that that song has been around for much longer because it was the theme song to the TV show monk and it was written for monk and it won an emmy was it like about hamlet's is it like a needle Annual Gato CD's like was it the same. It's the same lyrics for those so it wasn't about. It was still about how dangerous the world is outrageous which fits in with the premise of of a germaphobe detective. It really does it really. Does I guess just listening to it right now? I'm like it's just such depression song. It's just such a now so yeah no it like when when did it first come out when so the when was the monk inning? Two Thousand and two so yeah a long time ago. Yeah well let's move on to. The quarantine has forced places to stop operating right businesses schools. So let's listen to a song called. Shut THEM DOWN BY PUBLIC ENEMY THE NOW TV it the master Jason. Just now what L? Prevent to win report from the way to bobby system. Don't crude money to looking to buy tickets. West Coast Support Dan Russell Audio Hint. Oh wait a minute. That was shut them down by public enemy that was off their fourth studio album. From nineteen ninety one apocalypse nine one dot dot dot the enemy strikes black and that was released as a single in ninety two and went to number one on the rap charts. Peaking of prashant right. This is another one that feels as a vital now. If not more than it did at the time you get so I mean obviously don't want to hear about my frustration about this. It's just the same struggles forever. How can we change? You know unto even like here the final verse. About how if a corporation isn't gonNA bring their money to my town like if they're not gonNA give the money to the people who are buying their products than like fuck them essentially. That's just still the struggle. It's gotten worse and worse and worse than seeing the pictures of Muhammad Ali and the Black Panthers and there's a video for this watched and It's very very ninety. S Montage video with you know Mohammed Ali and then racist looney tunes cartoons and Malcolm X. And then pictures of black people on money you know which is just like a more still fighting for that. It's just it's this was thirty years ago. And this is ninety two so this is before the riots or this is during this is like around that time in you know kind of police violence against black people and right now were recycled continues without any progress. I don't like it to agree on Kristen. Why don't we when we make a hard turn out of this? A hard left huge shift nearly every playlist. We've done so far. Has a song about loneliness right this next song? I couldn't not do. It was staring in the face and I. I had to picket for the playlist. Adam like you so let's go ahead and listen to you alone by heart long one turmoil and the night. Oh don't know how Le Still is still the room That was alone by heart. That is off their ninth studio album. Nineteen eighty seven's bad animals and that was of course released as a single and went to number one. And here's something I did not know about on is that it's a cover what say it didn't sound necessarily like a song that they had written of course that you can kind of tell like a lot of the bands from the seventies who were trying to make an in the eighties reach out to outside. Songwriting help that like fully make sense. That's had this had you know. Dwi His foot Handprints are it wasn't it wasn't dying warrant. It was Billy Steinberg and Tom. Kelly who wrote true colors okay. Eternal flame like virgin. I touch myself. I'll stand by you. They wrote so emotional for when he houston. Yeah they had a huge string of hits. But what's interesting is they recorded it as a group called. I ten and then my favorite little detail is after their product was not a hit or anything. They gave it to a Sitcom Sitcom about a fictional rock band and the show was called dreams. California dreams no no no. It was a sitcom called dreams. It did not run for longer than one month. Old Boy in October of nineteen eighty four. It was created by Andy Borowitz so there was a version of alone that they sing an episode. And it's a duet between a woman and a man and it's Jamie Gertz and John stamos. Is it any good? Are you going under me talking right now? Are you playing I? That was about three years before heart were offered the song and then they made it their own elevated it. Here's the thing I know because I watched their behind the music but man they just would not put an Wilson on camera. Are you see her face? I think that an you would think that Nancy had sung the song with the amount of camera time that she. It's like not even when when the Guitar Solo is being played by someone else in the band. They just do slow motions of her playing guitar and running around yet. Like humping the guitar. There's a lot of very sexual movement with the guitar. Her chest is heaving they have a riding on a horse writing for like a second and a half. It's very surprising you and I also have. Yeah but and then they have an Wilson in just like a close up with a veil on. They were just so afraid of fat women on camera. I know that that was the record. Company was very angry that she wouldn't that she couldn't lose weight that she wouldn't lose weight that so then they just you. They're not subtle about it singing their. She's almost like fern. Never she's in a tower like away from the band. Yeah she's in on a balcony like away from them. It's funny shrouded in darkness and then just close ups of her face like very classic body J. Big treatment very bad and then the whole band is literally romping around the stage. Everybody's having all sorts of like movement and bunch. She is not even on to be behind a microphone yes. She does not at no point to see her singing into a microphone. It's so wild. Oh my gosh. Yeah is problematic to say. The least. I think really talked about that a lot in the behind the music as I recall. Yeah that was a that was a point of contention. Yeah and then 'cause she's really you know elevating that Song. She's change in. She's making it something a amazing you know A hit and she's she's really getting the shaft in Allen. It's wild and then just Nancy on ours very eighties all around truly all right. Let's move to you. Know if you're GONNA go outside during this you're going to need a mask you know you're gonNA have to keep yourself. Here's Cuban Pete from you need to have protective measures if you're going to be anywhere near anyone else. So let's listen to a song called protection by Donna Summer. How Avenue Joe Sir Get? Call Your House maybe bell. That was protection by Donna summer. That is off her self titled Album Her Tenth Studio Album Donna. Summer from Nineteen eighty-two although the single was released in nineteen eighty three not a successful single doesn't look like charted anywhere but some interesting notes about this song written by Bruce Springsteen. I guess this was the first album that Donna summer did with David. Geffen and Geffen reached out to Jon. Landau who is being inducted into the Rock Hall whenever they do but technically the two thousand twenty class springsteen's manager and so you know. Bruce has written songs for people before and they wrote something for her and it was a song called cover me and then Jon Landau heard it was like hey maybe keep this one right another one and then he wrote the song protection and he actually plays on the song he plays guitar. And some backing Vocals Clarence. Play the sex phone you some. Some dude named Ernie Irony Lover. Wants is cover me. A Bruce Springsteen song runs off another note. Here is that this was produced by Quincy Jones. Who also inducted into the? Rock Hall in two thousand thirteen. We watched the music video for this song. We've asked I mean it's such so it's weird and so arbitrary in its selection of shots like she is at times doing a photo shoot and then she's like being chased by a man and then she's on a motorcycle and the shooter but it's just so nothing is connected to the point where I had the thought watching it like was this created by a fan like this can't really be the music video. Is it a Malcolm of stuff? I think they dismay they decided to put together a music video without really having to shoot much new footage or I don't know or maybe they did it. Just there's no there's no through line it's just really. It seems like a three different music videos. There was the story of her being on the roadside. Getting on the moped with two suitcases. And then there was the story of her being very bored and weird at a photo shoot and then there was the story of her being danced at and jumping off a balcony at a fancy dinner. And then there's an additional lake sound stage where a bunch of color play. It's I don't know but the You know the other players on this song you've got the Todo dudes the per car or brothers in Steve Luther who also played on the original version of alone by I ten but also they played on every song at this era. Now can I ask I ten? Is it spelled? I ten interstate ten or is it spelled I. E. Y. Tan lower case. I Hyphen Capital T. Lower case lower case in well and this is before apple. I know they maybe should consider legal action. I had on iphone eleven. He said it has said why did I know that's the big question sided? I said it. Why did I said that this song was nearly a duet with Bruce but they ultimately scrapped that idea. I think that would have helped it in the charts probably and Bruce considered recording his own version for born in the USA. But I think he did record it but it's unreleased lacking you know. The song is on remarkable. Like it's fine. It's a good good enough song. I wasn't mad when I was listening to but I wasn't like this is getting a heart on my spotify. Yeah it didn't hurt at all. So that's no surprise. No charts no hearts baby. That's up just I do. It goes all right. We've made it to our last song. Kristen the uplift one shall it to be uplifting. Those are the rules. I established at the very beginning. So I want something to be optimistic. Here's a song by Albert King called GonNa Make It somehow bird everything and only a the heart from the bill. Thanks dot com pardon. How out in the street Tana statal? Mine thanks Terry. Dot Com give birth. Remember that old song says changes. That's part of Bacon Myself. Expected from nobody else will lead that way now. Atapattu in the field Ha Doc that was going to make it somehow from Albert King that is off the nineteen seventy six release truckload of Lovin which yes truckload eleven. That is his date seventh studio album his first with the Utopia label seems like. It's kind of a hard album to get a hold of the song itself is not available on spotify. I don't spotify and it was released as a b side to another track from that album called sensation communication together. If it were on spotify. Consider listening to this. I don't know if I'd heard it but I I would listen to that song again. It was it was good head group. I enjoyed it was Albert pudding as a regular or was he was on the ballot and he was voted in. Was this the John Mayer Guitar? Yes okay number. That comes to Blues Guitar Player. Benzion note differently. It's literally as unique as a fingerprint devote walker the like this stony Monday. A and then be became came along. Bb King and then album king came along and it it really did sell on how important Albert King and the song was very fun and it was an uplift. I also remembered something that from the heart induction. Which was that? Nancy Wilson kept apologizing to her children for being away from them. She really like heart. Is the perfect case. Study in modern feminism as far as working moms guilt body shaming in like beauty standards and stuff like that. I just was remembering that right when I was Watching that video and I forgot to bring that up. They they truly. They've been through it all this Albert King. Though I enjoyed the song I thought it was cool. I'm trying to remember. What was the package like for? Is He's the Blues Pioneer. Obviously in when I was looking him up to find this song because I had to youtube it I saw that he was born under a bad sign. Which I mean. That's song is classic absolutely monumental cornerstone of the blues. He's he's a guitar guide and he played a Flying v Guitar which is Very Cool Guitar. That was like his kind of Signature Guitar and he was like a very modest guy who was just really good at Guitar. And the way he played influence people lakes. Tv Raven and John Maher. Did he play sitting down or anything like that? I don't think that was a part of his thing necessarily. That's more like a bb king bb King thing to and I've been to like Blues Clubs. I think everybody just wants to be also. Maybe when they get older. They're like well. If I can sit. Why the hell not you know if you'll if you'll allow it not. Nobody's going to really come for you as the king did it. the other king yet. There's there's three kings of Blues Guitar Freddie King Albert King and bb King. Wow I really remembered immediately. I don't remember anything about Freddie King but I did remember that. He was the three kings of Blues. Enroll yeah and we haven't covered Freddie King and our quarantine playlist yet but next year. I think that they were like two in a row. If I recall correctly which I probably don't be well. I guess you'll have to listen in next week as we do. Twenty twelve because that does it for our twenty Thirteen Rock Hall. Corentin playlist to recap. We listened to circumstances by rush. It's a jungle out there by Randy. Newman shut them down by public enemy alone by heart protection by Donna summer and GonNa make it somehow by Albert King. We will a relatively diverse class. Yes things for the hall. I say that relative to the hall in and their mystery but diverse. I think that's that's absolutely true. And by that you mean. Of course they were Americans and Canadians. Yes truly that's what you meant. Okay yes so. Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to be able to put GonNa make it somehow on these spotify playlist but the other ones will make it to the mega mix. 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Who Deserves to be in the Rock & Hall of Fame in 2020

The Loudini Rock and Roll Circus

58:50 min | 1 year ago

Who Deserves to be in the Rock & Hall of Fame in 2020

"Yes yes we know the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Sucks Balls out loud but since this is the Latini rock and roll circus. We would be remiss in our duties as true rockin rollers if we didn't at least discuss this year's nominees and who deserves to be in the Rock Hall and who doesn't and yes. Our Word is final. You're listening to the Dini rock and roll circus changing Iraq history. One podcast at a time. aren't everybody. Welcome back it is Ledeen rock and roll circus. Our website is Lou Dini Rock and all circus DOT COM. Check back often for lots of great Lou beanie stuff podcasts. All kinds of cool things. This is twenty twenty twenty. I'm Barbara Walters. This is not hugh downs but this is twenty. Twenty and new things are happening this year. We're really excited about you. Will things will unfold old as they go so just stick around. Keep checking lewd any rock and roll circus DOT COM We have a great backlog of shows as well Interviews Guitar Ktar of PODCASTS. Lyric talk where we get an examined. A Song lyrics a lot of fun stuff and as well as this crazy thing Lou. Dini rock enroll circus live show shadow to Rock Ridge got a rock ridge. Radio DOT COM download the APP. You can hear Great Guitar. Driven Rock Twenty four seven. And it's it's not like serious where you have to pay free all you gotta down learn in stream your whole life and you will love it anyways. Check in check it out there. I want to shout to my Bro- my Bra Bra Chris. Thunder Wolf Dodson at Wolf's customs dot online. Get this no the reason to get on the stage with the same boring guitar that the last Guy Played. Okay Chris Awesome and I mean Awesome Guitar. refinishing custom finishes custom designs custom. Graphics is really cool. We are working on something right now. I've got I've got an F. own own Les Paul Special that I'm going to ship off to him this year and I'm going to have him do something. I think you guys are really going to dig it but this is the holding up the car here to the campus. Those of you who hang out with us live you follow social media. We do we do this. Live and you could be seeing this right now but sorry if you snooze you lose but wolf customs dot online line. Check out Christopher Dawson. Great Guy Chris and his and his lovely Raven have been supporters of bringing much everything I've done so no love those folks and check them out wolf customs dot online we have lilly. V6 Rock Ridge Radio veteran DJ. What so what's going on with Lily? V6 first of all big shout. Out to John Kuhn's for Saint Cleveland's greater than Pittsburgh live on the air here as well as he is looking at the rock and Roll Hall of fame right right now because he hasn't Cleveland so funny but I absolutely did nothing over the weekend I am going to black Sabbath. which what do you mean you did? Nothing seem remember something you did on Saturday and Friday now. I usually talk about Saturday. I did go to the Friday show where Lou played with his band supervisor Nirvana tribute band which was awesome Great crowd out at the Craft House. So props teaser and you have a lot of energy onstage. Yes I noticed. You're jumping around up there. It's rock and roll. I put a rock and roll. You guys did a show. I have a hard time sitting so but yeah so And and this weekend we're going to go see what bad we're going to see GLITZ. We're going to Ziegler on Saturday and Saturday. So John Fox is another guy who's been a big supporter of mine and John I love you brother we were. We were convincing over some a mutual friends in some music today on facebook. Great Guy and his band glitz is going to be. Frankie is in like considered why Washington. Yeah Yeah so on on the Internet of you guys are local to the checkout gray rock band but they they do a hair metal stuff glam metal sorry for the people who ate the word hair metal but also so on Thursday. I'm going to be at GERBILS. Seeing black savage it is a female black Sabbath cover band tribute band. It's GONNA be pretty interesting. I've never seen them before. I haven't even watched any of the videos. So I'm I'm GonNa be completely surprised but the red lines are local will be opening its black savage black Sabbath Bitch. Oh I found a way you said it. It sounded like he was like maybe like a Ukrainian or Yugoslavian enunciated Alexa Abbott. It's actually black Sabbath bitch like bitch black cabbage all ooh. That's going to be the band name. Black cabbage guys right that there. It is so okay so black sabbath black cabbage at the. Where are they going to begin? They're going to be at Gurgles GERBILS. And when I decided to going to be Thursday thirty days from Attica all right guys we have tons of great music for you guys. Today we've got Caleb Johnson. We've got shun the Raven we've got Lombardi strangelove and we've got Lana Black as well so you got great music and we've got the rock and roll list list here the nominees and we are going to be discussing that tonight Lily before play the first song lilies going to just run the list down so you guys can make notably think it's online but she's GonNa run the list down you guys think about it. Think about your opinions on it. We always take your input while we're doing the show here So we're going to have a whole song. I do think about it and lily. What are the nominees for for for this year's Twenty twenty rock and Roll Hall of fame inductees. The Twenty Twenty class is Pat ben and Atar Dave Matthews Band Depeche mode the Doobie Brothers Whitney Houston Judas. PRIEST CRAFTWORK MC five motorhead ahead. Nine inch nails the notorious B I g rufus featuring shock Akon Todd. Rundgren soundgarden. T. Rex and thin lizzy all right the nominee those those and the nominees are. I should have done that right. Okay all right guys so check it out. This is Caleb Johnson Caleb Johnson in is one of the American idol folks who like actually plays rock. But I don't know you guys let me know what you think. I was listening today. And is this a little too country. I don't know you guys tell me what you think. I mean we can never play Caleb Johnson again. If you don't like but but He's a small guy in terms of like he's not like a big Rockstar Doc. Star so we try to find those kind of acts and show them to you. So this is Caleb Johnson solid gold on the Lucchini and roll circus. Aw What's my scene uh-huh ah uh-huh uh that is a gentleman named Caleb Johnson Johnson. Let me go ahead and tell you. I really liked that. A Lot. This goal you can go to Caleb Johnson official DOT COM John's band is trying to play and they aren't allowed yet. We said No. It's not you're tired. So we have shunned the raven coming up here next but so we read you guys the list of now. These are not the inductees these. These are the nominees correct nominees cracked. So these are the people that you could. They're still kind of voting. Decisions are next week. Actually fluish okay. I kind of feel so we will probably revisit this whenever the Apron. Yeah we'll probably be revisiting it then then a little bit but there's so many things coming up future podcast. This month include bands to watch in two thousand twenty. So that's going to be fun. And the Best Tours of two thousand twenty lily loves to go so that might be more like instead of ten twenty list so we. We're going to try to keep you guys this year trying to keep you guys up to date as to what's happening in the year music things that she likes to see events etc.. So how how do you wanNA start here girl. Do you want me to give a little brief history. Yeah let's let's take a little step tap into Mr peabody's way back machine okay. The sort of background on the rock gives us a little background on the rock. Okay Yeah So. It was established in one thousand nine hundred three by gentleman named Summit Summit teagan honor Digan Ertegun. Okay He was a businessman songwriter. Philanthropist he actually co founded Atlanta Atlantic records and was the president and the original team for the foundation included rolling stone publisher Jann s winner. Who of course? We're not a fan of rolling stone. That much I record record exacts Seymour Seymour Stein. Bob Kraft now and Noreen Noreen Woods and attorneys Allen Grubman Suzanne Evans. They started inducting the artists in nineteen eighty six And then of course eventually Cleveland be the home for the museum there. Civic leaders pledged sixty five million dollars in public money to fund the Construction and they also stated the reason is because is They're famous disc jockey on freed coined. The term rock and roll. Artists are inducted in the Rock Hall of fame at an annual ceremony as we all know generally early ranging from half dozen to a dozen and the first class of inductees January twenty third nineteen ninety-six included Elvis Presley James Brown Little Richard Fats Domino Ray Charles Chuck Berry. Sam Cook the Everley brothers Buddy Holly and Jerry Lewis with Robert Johnson and Jimmy Rogers and Jimmy Antsy were inducted as early influences. John Hammond received the lifetime achievement award. Alan freed who I mentioned. Sam Phillips where the inducted as non-performers. So they had a pretty easy decision that first year with WHO to choose news. I mean sort of a no brainer. All of those. I can say absolutely every they all belong. Absolutely those are the those are the the granddaddies great great granddaddies of of a rock and roll. Yes absolutely perfect. What more could you say? There are four categories though what are the four categories performers early influence non-performers and Seidman K.. So and I do have the criteria we'd like to go okay. So criteria includes the influence and significance of the artists can contributions to the development and evolution of rock and roll block approval. Voting is used news with those nominees received the most votes being inducted subject to a minimum of fifty percent approval around five to seven performers inducted every year and a nominating committee committee composed of rock and roll historian. Select names for the performers category which are then voted on by roughly five hundred experts across the world though selected to vote load include academics journalists producers and other others within the music industry. and Oh they say it's not about popularity ready record sales or which label the group or artist is on which I beg to differ on some of these but we'll get into that later. Okay so we. We have a list of approximately how many people are now. These are not the inductees these are the people are saying. Well we're thinking about you know they're up for more consideration. Sixteen this year we got sixteen. That are up for consideration As you read the list earlier well first of all doc we there's no definition of rock and roll unfortunately in the bylaws is or whatever you WANNA call it the the the rules or whatever that part of it becomes subjective. There's that old gray area and and those of us who have been around a long time have a hard time accepting certain artists as being influential. And that's the key word I think is sort of like the development of the development of rock and roll the being influential inspiring the next generation as you will some of these people just in terms of rock music. You know Whitney Houston's onto list isn't she yes okay let's just we're going to just start there. You want to start there. I'll start with Whitney. You have a little background. Anna Whitney Houston background anybody. I feel everybody knows who have. Okay let me get into Whitney Houston for a minute. Whitney Houston's amazing singer just insanely a gifted vocalist yes. She even sang some rock songs. She's not rock artist at all not even by any stretch of the imagination when she Iraq artist nor do I believe that she really influenced any rock and roll there. There might be somebody. There are far better female singers. That should be in this category. I think somebody has been nominated who I think. We talked about last year as an important person in rock. We did a Verses night we'll talk about it in this is. This isn't how talented Whitney Houston was. Because she is amazing vocalist amazing but she's not has nothing to do with rock music. Nothing nothing nothing nothing. Nothing nothing nothing nothing. Did she write songs. She sang other sort of doubt it. What you you want it might notes are great singer? Should you be in this fame. Maybe not their way better female vocalists that can be in this category as well. So this is where we run into issues When you try to set something like this up I think there is there is there are monetary forces at play because a large portion of the nation is African American? So maybe this is an effort to appeal to that crowd to make them feel included in the thing and their their tons of black rock artists. A UH tons tons of them I mean somebody like Prince absolutely belongs in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. James Brown of course Little Richard Little Richard Tons of him. Lenny Kravitz is Lenny Kravitz in the Rydell. I don't I don't know I want to say now. I might be wrong lenny. Guy Whose influence a lot I don't know if he's had twenty five years since last her his first album though which is sort of thing might not be. Yeah Okay Yeah. He's early nineties artists. Okay it was the okay. I wasn't sure because I remember years ago. But I'm sure it's been nominated. I'm going to say that that You could put Lenny Kravitz in their crazy. I I made somebody could chime. I'm in live and let me know. Maybe maybe he's already in there he could be but but but in any case in any case so I think that there's some of that That that going on as well you you know they're trying to you know we're in an age trying to date diversity all inclusive. Let's bring everybody gets a trophy for participating kind of yeah. Maybe that's what this is is this is everybody gets a trophy for participating as the whole thing kind of gets watered down. So I'm I'm sorry I gotta give like a thumbs down to know on. Say No to Whitney Houston Whitney Houston did not get my vote. Either do the public voting. Oh you do yes every day and it's just not if we're going to have a rock and Roll Hall of fame you've got to be a rock and roll artist or are you really gotta be like somebody who had tons of artists have come out and said Oh my God it was so influenced a lot of rock artists who say Johnny cash was a giant influence on them. Okay so I can kind of you know. Okay we could. We could bring Johnny. And maybe but Whitney Houston I hit the button on Whitney Houston again. We're not poo pooing on her talent. She's very talented she. Just this doesn't belong in this hall of fame. Shouldn't be on this ballots in our opinions. Whitney Houston gets a big no next to her name name in our show notes. So what you got next. We'll do from there. We will just kind of go over but I wanted to do something. That is just really kind of how far are we have strayed and sort of again. We're trying to be so like multicultural. An all inclusive and everybody gets a trophy that I think we are really watering this down. And and what I think it hurts. Does it really matter. No you like I love the music. I Love Lily loves music. She loves you know everybody all our fans you guys all of the music yellow. It doesn't make a difference. You don't like stop listening somebody. 'cause they're not in the Rock Hall Right. Yeah it doesn't it doesn't matter but sometimes it is nice to have other people in the community kind of like have a little consensus about like we all Agree that led Zeppelin sanely important. And you know influence everybody credence clearwater revival Jimi Hendrix Hendricks. Nice to have that sort of touchstone and if the rock another thing the rock from hall rock and Roll Hall of fame how many millions liens they spend. Oh my gosh sixty five. Yeah yeah this is a lot of money that they can't just end. It can't just be like well that's right we're done we're done. We haven't everybody in so they've got to keep the thing going somehow. But that's GonNa stop people like me and some of my other friends who have podcasts for from railing against the let's pick somebody else. We're GONNA DO PAT benefits. Our next. She was my first votes. Of course a female got my first vote. She's all around talented. She's been in in musicals. TV show. She's a tough chick. And a time. When rock and roll is all about the men made women want to be a Rockstar? She sang about tough subject matters and she had the ability eighty to adapt to different changes in the music industry. She went from a hard rock sound to a pop sound and she won. Four grammys and I just think she's fantastic wildly influential fluential on not only other rock vocalists. And I think she's probably influenced male vocal for some. Are these guys that came out a little bit later in the eighties with that. Great High High Tenor. This little bit of pat minutes are going on there. They would admit it But she's also influential on people like Martina McBride who's a huge country star. So pats everything okay. LILLIES taking a call. Sorry I had to listen to that guy. It was weird voicemail. I'm sorry it was Kinda creepy. Okay Nice creepy voicemails side. Yes I I to me. It's a you know ish. She as important to rock as Tina Turner. Maybe not. I don't know but still somebody who fits the criteria of somebody who has been an influence on that on the next upcoming generation and inspired folks and she is is a real rock artist. legit comparing contr just listened to Whitney Houston hit and a manager. You it's night and day one is R. and B. and one is rock who's next We're GONNA do Dave Matthews Band next and I'm going to get pooped on take but I and I'm sorry to anybody who loves them. I think they're one of the most boring band out there. I don't think that they should be. They should be on the ballot eventually. But I don't don't think it's their time just yet. And this is due to their Fan Base Aka popularity thing that I talked about which is which said isn't a factor but even on the website quote it from the website supported by a commercial fan base and continue to pick up new generations of fans along the way you're going against your own criteria. Just saying on that. I just don't find them very interesting. They say they change up their songs even during show. That all sounds seem to me so they are not a my vote. I don't think they should be on the ballot yet eventually. Sure but not not yet from I think that I would agree with what you said for the most part on there I heard somebody posted on our facebook that he moves James Conway. What are you guys said that actually Dave Matthews says that he doesn't want to be in the Rock Hall? I read about that and you know that might be true and my dad that that that might be true. Maybe not yet. I think Mesa good way of putting it What it is interesting though about the Dave Matthews Dave Matthews? And not. If you're maybe you would you probably gotta be aware of this that these Dave Matthews. His in this category very hated did artists. Yeah he's in the category with creed nickelback. I don't think he deserves that. I in the Rock Hall of fame you know and you know whether your personal tastes aside all. I've never seen them live anything time I've ever seen them play like any kind of live shows on television insanely talented musicians. It's like it's kind of like kind of like alternative attorney version of the grateful dead in some ways different kind of near Jalen. They're chanting definitely Jamie but they've got more of like a kind of funk kind of energy kind of thing going going on with what they do. I think our killer I think demand is killer but I could see where I would say I would probably agree with you with maybe like not yet. I don't think it's this time. I don't think it's their time. It's too soon. Dave who's next next is depeche mode I really don't know maybe maybe not They sit sort of did push the boundaries with new synthesizer technology that was widely popular at the time and the original kid's I consider them heroes. You know what the dark industrial love songs. So maybe I don't know I don't really have an opinion on the. Let me let me say this because craft work is also on the list. Yes and I have again. I have no idea anything about okay. Here's the question and I want to ask you guys. I think we will in fact I'm GONNA put these two guys on the list next to each other. We can do them next hopes. Excuse me amongst yourselves. He's trying to type E I can't do it. He's doing too many things. Here's the question. Can it be rock and roll if it doesn't have guitar now. The one of the V the very first inductees Jerry Lee Lewis Little Richard Little or no guitar right. Those are piano men and if you will. Is Elton John in the Rock Hall. I WanNa say he's gotTa be so Depeche. Nash mode and craftwork are both bands. It were insanely influential. I got I got my back up a little bit over depeche mode when they were. I saw them interviewed on television. Show when I was young whippersnapper and they said that Oh you know guitars are gone. Nobody wants a year. Guitar are anymore so as I was all upset about that but I have calmed down as they say in Pittsburgh in your old age in my old age yeah I think that the I think it's undeniable that they are wildly influential band and I think a lot of bands I became later later. I think like I just look at Marilyn Manson like you know he's a he obviously hugely influenced by Depeche mode. I think that you could even say that about the summer. Rob zombies music so can came. came out of that stuff. You're right the Gothi Mo- crowd you know all those bands it was like pre industrial and the same way. Same Way Craftwork. Craftwork was a wildly influential band. INF influential and progressive music as well and the also largely responsible for introducing the world to another amazing female vocalist Alison. Way If you don't know who Alison Moya is I would tell you to go check out. Allison Wa amazing more of an underground indie pop op artist. Vote Amazing Singer very unique voice. Just everybody says Adel Adel Alison. Allison Moya was Adel. Twenty years before Adele. Okay very much ahead of her time. great great work. It was it was really awesome. Awesome that the craft working alison embraced each other and and work together. But it's this is music. That is not Whitney Houston A- all this is music that is like it's pretty deep stuff. They were really pushing for doing different things they were doing things with with synthesizers and stuff that really really had been you know put together in that same way am creating great pop tunes out of it so I would say I gotta say Yes to both those those bans even though personally I don't just sit on a craftwork album and crank it up. I know who they are and when I hear them on like I recognize the talent. And what's what's it's gone into it and everything like that but it isn't like my sort of Goto rock out jam out kind of stuff same with depeche mode. Although especially does have depeche mode was used as part of my adolescence. They were really big. They're all of the radio. I know who they are. And I don't know craft work. I actually just had to look it up. And they're like ten years before Alexa. They laid the found a pair I said. Apparently they laid the foundation to which all synthesizer based rock and electronic dance. Music is built so I'll take their word on it because I didn't so so I gotta give it to for those guys. I mean I don't how many they're going to allow in you know to. They're actually going to induct this year. But I mean probably sucks. I would definitely I could definitely see craft off work or depeche mode being in the Rock Hall. We're GONNA play another songwriter comeback. This band that tried to play after the last one but we had to quit arena me and I know this is the tale of two tales by shunned the Raven. We'll be right back. Talk a little bit more about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Yes mm-hmm take somewhere. Aw Wall docilely uh-huh zero. I I they will play coldest hereby Cindy J.. You're in every way I uh-huh they were worried. The Brasov with the White Lhasa I saw Dr Welby uh-huh all right. Everybody that it is. Sean Sean Shun the Raven Shaun Shaun of the dead. I was thinking about the artists replay. Lot Shawn Lane. Hush shunned the Raven Tale of two tales. And let me give you guys. I'm sorry I have A. I feel like I'm going to sneeze sneeze so I apologize if my vocal performances a little weird tonight reverb nation dot com slash shun the Raven. Check these guys out. I think I thought it was cool. It was kind of progressive. They limited to a lot of different territories seven minutes a so anyways we're talking about the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees Unease for twenty twenty and try not to pontificate as much in in the last half of the show here so lily. Hit Me Baby. DOOBIE brothers They've been around for like you know fifty years. They have the dual drummer power. The three part vocal harmonies so. I'm okay with them being on the ballot didn't make one of my votes. This show I did only do the five like they do for the public voting but maybe next time but I do. I do hope they eventually get in. I'm the DOOBIE brothers. Were wildly popular. Had Big hits completely switched their sound when Michael McDonald came in and he became a whole different. Very cool thing to happen in Rock Stadium Act. Are they rock hall material. I've the question mark next to them. You're not sure I'm not sure I mean I. It's not that I don't like them and it's not that they they are rock band Um there are more that you'd want him before them. Vote for them either yeah okay so what. Dna Judas Priest so obviously this priest right obviously asleep. This is going to be one of my votes for the Rock Hall. Powerful twin guitars amazing operatic vocals and pounding drums influence manny future musicians such as van. HALEN METALLICA and Slipknot and come on Judas priest. Why aren't they even in yet? Like why heavy metal is like really overlooked. Yeah that's really insanely important band. Yes I mean they influenced Venezuelan influenced. Everybody I know I just named a couple uh-huh I I think that that you know. I know they're considered contemporaries of iron maiden but in many ways I think they were Clinton Iron Maiden dove. You asked me okay. So what are you gonNA MC five they are not to be fused like MC Hammer Motor city five to be exact One of the most important important American hard rock groups of their era Their leftist political ties and anti establishment lyrics music position them as emerging innovators of the punk movement in the United United States and they developed a reputation for energetic live performances. They have been nominated five times now to be in the Rock Hall of fame since two thousand and to get on with with it time to put into split the little over new law right band and kick out. The jams is just sick sick just sick rage against the machine. Is You know a terribly energetic. Insanely in your face man. And they they do they do a cover of kick out the jams but it's it does watch what the great but man you listen to me. I'm getting goosebumps. Sir Thank you there. It's so raw and so in your face just dislike and it's a great tune. Heavy is awesome. Go ahead what are you gonNA be next on on. My list is motorhead again. One of my votes for the Rock Hall Rock Roll Heavy Metal Punk into what we know today as motorhead obviously on my voting because we you just don't have enough metal like I said before in the hall of fame And they did help to pioneer speed metal. So that's sort of a big deal. Yeah I was nine inch nails not on my voting list. I do like nine inch nails. They have influenced many newer artists. Other artists and producers feel that trend is a true visionary. He doesn't take it that way. He thinks it's just music of course he's one of those like to humble chill. Yeah he doesn't really embrace that whole thing but he's always said people who try to be like him or influenced by an Jerick generic imitation of him however the band has been credited for popularizing industrial music. So I suppose they belong on the ballot. This is one of those bands that while you know I was Kinda like like depeche mode songs. Wish there was more Qatar in them. Ninety nails I did that I absolutely loved. I love what they did. I felt like I felt like what they did was perfect. What what Depeche mode craft work and those vans started done? I think they really like somebody's they really brought they. They made it edgy. Enough enough that people like me who were like really hankering for something kind of heavier and more rock could could latch onto so yeah so I would say I agree but I would say my my vote with them is like Dave not yet not yet but eventually eventually yeah next one is the notorious B. I g what I wrote dear. No no no. As states and the hall of fame website. He have to be rock influenced. He created to hip hop albums. That were the most influential hip hop albums ever but not rock no evolution rock and roll. Thank you that is no f Ing Way. Sorry he doesn't belong. I'd belying say don't like some of those songs hip hop hall of fame. Yeah there's one of those the rap hall of fame or whatever do that. Let's go do your thing but don't start Arta hip hop hall of fame and then put Bon Jovi. Because I'm mad about that 'cause like come on. Let's let's look you know. The thing is the thing so we rufus featuring Chaka Khan. I'd be lying if I said it and like any of the songs I love him. They were a key into funk band now and that was to influence hip hop not rock. So I just. I don't think fits. I could be wrong. I know she's sort of shock on sort of like mini Tina Turner. I get that but I just don't think she's there. I've question mark. The question worries out for me on that Yeah George did you see the the reason why is because this unlike Torius B I g and some of these artists like these are. This is a real demand is a real musicians. There's a rhythm section. There's you know and I I believe that there are probably a lot of rock artists. Who really dog what they did and in some of what they chuck and Rufus seeped into their music namely guys like League is like Lenny Kravitz Prince and people like that. But I'm I it's a question I put that question. What do you got todd rundgren? He did did not make my votes because there were other ones that I wanted more but I think he deserves to be on the ballot. He is literally the jack-of-all-trades in Rock and continues to redefine the sound of rock and roll through Genre Melding. SONGWRITING and production production. He's amazing he's not my list. Because I picked five to five. I would say you have to todd. Is He's todd producer does at all. I mean there's some somebody records that wouldn't sound the way these sound if it wasn't for like you guys like Bat Outta Hell. That's Todd Rundgren. All over the place up. That's interesting record. We should we should do the thing. Because that Ashley Todd Rundgren playing with Bruce springsteen's band right backing up Jim Stein and below. It's like it's basically quickly like a power. Yeah yeah almost like a supergroup although meatloaf and Jim steinman super yet no they became super Tom Anybody else. SOUNDGARDEN One of the few bands are really love from the grunge. Erin probably beyond my vote this year if it weren't again for other people They were the first grunge band to release an album album with a major label. Launch the alternative into the mainstream I mean that's kind of what the grunge kids were avoiding by they. They were amazing. If there weren't other people on this ballot I would have chosen them on my vote. Vote so yeah I I love that baby not yet. I'm voting him as a not yet. So develop the vote. You could have ten tonight. Our guess no not yet question mark and no f Ing Way. It is what the category is for us to more. And these are my last two actual that I voted for T. Rex. Definitely one of my votes started out in the psychedelic folk genre went to electric and then became the pioneers of Glam rock which we all know. I love for three years. They had the popularity of the Beatles and the UK and of course they were huge influence on many generations of music. Most importantly to me on Nikki six. When he was a child and one of the reasons he wanted to becoming musician? And we all know. That's important because Motley crue. Sorry because Motley crue yes why because crew because Yeah I. I can't add anything to that. I totally agree. Love T. HE REX's same. Everybody knows the couple of songs but solid gold reaction being huns. Great stuff just that. Just what happens. I think some of these artists. That just isn't enough room on the radio for a lot of their other. Great materials like the most. I sat down one tonight and watched a documentary on slade. There was so many great songs that were you know they had like. They were like big in Europe and big a big in England and stuff like that the we never really heard much Over over here in the states. But that doesn't make them any less amazing And I know whose Latin last on your list go ahead. And I'm I'm an agreement with T T rex. And I'm definitely with his last band thin lizzy the last of votes The classic Twin Guitars Poetic Lyrics alone should allow them to have already been in the hall of fame over many who've gotten previously they had energetic live shows and that helped to find hard rock. We just talked about Phil on on one of our last shows amazing vocalist and songwriter. So I they're really. They should have been in a while ago in my opinion yet. Wildly influential band amazing guitar. Work you very unique to very They they went very interesting places with the new standard rock tune. They were able to To just push it in new directions that I don't think has been equalled yet now the guys from thin lizzy Scott Gorham has gotten together with some other other folks and they have another band. We've actually played them and it's cool. But it lacks the sort of imagination duration and the magic of Finless Gustaf Greater Scott still playing. He's amazing musician. But just you know We are going to be popping over to our private inner circle group here to to hang out with you guys discuss things things a little bit deeper preview. Some of the upcoming shows that we have is well before we get out of here to do. We have any comments. Is there anything you'd like to share with our our folks folks that have chimed in who are hanging out live John Joseph coons are esteemed. Boss Man. his Pixar Pat Bennett. Our soundgarden thin lizzy Dave Matthews band motor head and he didn't pick another one Also said Great. 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I don't know but it seems to me that we're we're taking something that is really special to a lot of people really means a lot to a lot of people and kind of instead of celebrating. Yeah I think what ends up happening. Is We kind of cheapen it a little bit by making trying to pit people against each other while we only have five and you can only do this and we can only. Yeah this and also you know the legacy of rock and roll is really really important. Even I mean even people who are not rock are influenced by rockers and want to be rockers. It's no it's it's not an accident that the Jonas brothers are you know trying to play some rock tunes in their set. It's no accident that Justin bieber shows up with Iran maiden shirt on or whatever you know they know where the cool stuff is exactly Lewis iron main. You know they can't do that. The can't be that but they want to kind of identify with it. Whitney Houston notorious. B I g some of these people they just they aren't that it's fine. It's totally cool but I am for. I'm not gonNA sound kind of fascist but it's a good fascism. I think that we're GONNA have a rock and roll hall of fame. Let's be rock and roll. Let's talk about. Let's talk about real rock and roll. Let's get people who are really passionate passionate about it to really be talking about it and I would say instead of inducting people into some kind of rock and Roll Hall of fame or making it some sort of like competition petition. where bands like Russia? A lot of people felt should have been in long time ago. took a long time again. We're still waiting for thin lizzy MC five's instead of having all that garbage go on. Why don't we just threw out? Maybe two three times a year have a big party there and celebrate all the legacy of rocket constantly be in having different rock artists feature them talk about them get into them introduced the younger generation to them play. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Blur w/ Siobhan Thompson

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:16:20 hr | 2 years ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Blur w/ Siobhan Thompson

"Hi, everybody. Welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke, was olive with me as always it's Kristen stuttered. That is me and Joe, I realized that you start every show like that have you done that since our very first episode. I think so I maybe didn't say it was a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and the very first one but eight we felt necessary. So think I've started doing, you're pretty quickly. I I, I love it, and it gets us right into it. Also, you put on a little bit of an NPR voice when you begin. Oh, is that what you're always laughing because you get you get like so serious? You'll be over here just chilling out. And then you're like, Hello everyone. And welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Like it's very you get in your professional, your pro voice shocked, every time I show a little bit of professionalism truly. Well, we're back at it this season two. Maybe. Yeah. And we're back to business as usual ceremony season is over no longer talking about the induction, and now we're just talking about artists that are not in the hall, and judging the shit out of them chanting and very excited to have our guest here today. She's a writer comedy person might know her from college humor among other places, Chevonne Thompson, everybody. How von welcome? Thank you so much. You know, I think this is going to tie in. Well, with something we talk about a lot, but I'm a most of our guests don't know anything about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I know almost nothing about the rock and Roll Hall of fame, only that it exists and tina's hunter is not in it for some reason. Yeah. She's not. She's in with I was, you know, no, that's so much more problematic than hoping ended it all. Yup. No, no. She's not. She's only in it as a duo of Aiken, Tina know all of those famous I continue hits that we all love. So. Much Joe will well the problem is that like, proud Mary and river deep mountain high class. Those are the city limits and like all the stuff from the sixties. And seventies is with like when the people who vote in the rock and roll phase. They're all our hundred years old. It is only yes. So I've in Cleveland that's where it is. The museum isn't he? I'm just assuming that everybody is a hundred year old man that lives in Cleveland who's also very white. That might be the like if you had to, you know make a golem of the. Of the rock hall, it would be that, but they are. They're trying to diversify. Here's the thing. I grew up in the eighties. And so, I mean, what's love got to do with it? Those kind of songs are I like no Tina from, you know, and also Mad Max and we don't need another hero. Exactly well here because the other thing about these I contain a hits, it's like yes. But who's who do we recognize from the Ikin Tina songs Tina? It's all Tina. Yeah, if you could replace the pots with pretty much any other human being, but there's no replacing teen on those songs is irreplaceable Dublin doctor and take like out, actually. Yeah, yeah. Rovan plants like from that. In general, remove them do it. All right. That's my view. This is going to be one of my new crusades. I've been on the Dublin duct Tina for a long time as soon as you knew as soon as they knew I got very man. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the so just can I ask why you know that tina's not in there. I don't know. My brain just absorbs useless facts came up on Twitter. I thought because the Bette midler kind of crusade on Twitter, that's been permeating other. People's conversations is that because midler also wants to be in the rock and roll the famous that she's just start with share. I believe cheers. Not as an outrage signing for some reason. So. They decided to put Sonny and by himself first congressional work. They I mean, it really would not surprise me. They've done a lot of bullshit. But yes it started. I think it started with the share. Yes. So Bette midler kind of just went off. Yeah. Online, and was like I can't believe shares in the rock hall of fame. I can't. Oh, now, people are telling me that Tina Turner isn't in by yourself. That's wild. Let's have a year of all women inducted and got a lot of people going sleigh. Good. I'm glad that's out there talking because it gets people to. Yeah. To like, like got it into your conscious. Yes. And you wouldn't ever have willingly learned being all Bette midler is always on the right side of history almost like she's probably. But other than that, she always. And she is she's been to his taking up two. Right. I'm, I'm sure she's she's said some things. But it's okay we, we forgive her that, that we forgive you. Yeah. Hashtag forgive bet she has been to the induction ceremonies before, though. And I think that's why inducted people as well or opinion I feel like getting, but Middleton duct you into the rock and Roll Hall of fame is the most welcome role thing that you could do Joe disagree. Greece. Just the most rough, I don't think of as like the most rock and roll of all the people that ever lived now. That's why it's so funny. It's a fuck you to the institution of Russia, Russia. That's also funny to now go Bette midler supersub versus. Yeah. 'cause she's pretty like demeanor. She's like light rock mainstream. You know. Yeah. Cabaret. Yeah. I'm rock. Yes. She is. And maybe that's why she'll never be in because the rock hall is dad rock, right, for daddy's, daddy's only mummies nothing, not mom. It's not mom rock, like, Pat Bonner tar, but ped- Benneteau are is the most dad rock of mom rock. Yeah, yeah. So she has a shot. Yeah. She's like on the on the heels. She she leans towards daddy. Typically, our guests don't know anything about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. But I feel like it's doubly so for your case, and we're talking about this ally. The rock hall is very American institutes. New American institution is, it's also fully unnecessary. We don't need this. It's not a thing that anybody needs. Yeah. Thing we love no show, is it. Oh, yeah. You had a good time. I had a good time. Been I'm going underwater. You can watch around right? Like it's happened. I it's because I'm weighted down by all of these all of the facts that I have now all of this knowledge and all of these opinion it is changed you as you're changing, slowly -morphosis. You're reminding me that it doesn't matter. And thank you for that, welcome, even when British artists are inducted. They don't seem to really care. No. Well, because it's just not a it's not a thing that now tell our listeners pick up on less. It's like a lifetime achievement award basically. Yeah. Or already gotten so many lifetime achievement awards, people love giving people lifetime achievement awards. They make up award ceremonies just to give people lifetime achievement awards. But what about a place full of lifetime achievement awards where there are no other awards? There are only lifetime itchy. Right. And also, just like some jackets, is that what's married do not. My image of it is that it's basically a good. Brooke cafe. Yeah. But in with like they're so yeah, there's there's. And then there's these induction ceremonies, which are oddly separate, and with the museum, it's like you can anyone's anything can be in there like you can have Britney Spears's jumpsuit or whatever, she's obviously not inducted into the rock hall. But like you can put whatever from music, you know, people who have been overlooked, their shit is in there. It's just going to. Guitar. Yeah. Exactly. But then the inductions themselves are more of who's who makes it to the, the list, you know, the, the hallowed ground is lit up when he said the word list, Joey loves, Liz, you know, I think one of the things that is kind of nice about the hall is you say, you know, the all these artists are getting lifetime achievement all the time occasionally, you do get a group that has never really gotten the recognition, they deserve like this Midland, the sambas was is what I'm thinking a group that when they were around. Nobody was really paying attention to them to the degree that they are now. And then they get this nice thing after decades of always kind of missing their moment of they, they finally get recognized for something. Even though they are British some recognition is enough for them to be like, okay. But then when it's someone like Radiohead, they're like we're not going to show up and they didn't show up that radio header should he little bitches? I love Radiohead. Some self serious. Yeah. Brad's. They don't care. I actually was I looked up. Radiohead for this because I was like is Radiohead. Brit pop. Do they count as Brit pop? And the first thing was like Thom Yorke, whole article being, like fucking hate Brit. Pop pop. Fucking sucks. But I feel like I mean no. Yeah. What song of Radiohead would be Brit up except for they are British, and they were making music from nineteen ninety four hundred ninety seven Brit. Pope was happening. Oh, yes. So they're in that their rid of pop- popular, but I don't know about. I just mean like pop in the kind of like pop the traditional, what is their most poppy song. What creep like what is radio heads most poppy song? Yeah. I mean, I think that Brit pulp is somewhat of a difficult temp to cover because I feel like there are like, are you like Spice Girls. Brit pop were you oasis Britpop? Those are two very different bands. Right. But there by thick like, for example, like any away. Sis song is going to be way more poppy than a than a radio rating like literally any. Faces on. Yeah. I think that that's fair, especially from the that air rain like what's a story, I feel like any song. I to me just Radiohead. Maybe there you know what they all when. Definitively rock and roll. I think one of the things about Radiohead though that maybe would take them out of the Brit, pop category. Is they recorded music doesn't read as super British to me. The way a waste and blur air song, sound very definitively. When they sing they sound very British Shay nice. Or like. Yeah. A British accent necessarily like green day might be more Britpop than radio. Based on sound. Yeah, but I think maybe a little bit of it has to do with standing firm. Right. Like I am British and I'm talking about my Britishness in myself leaning into it. Yeah. Speaking of our listeners might have picked up on this. You are not Merican. I'm not I'm from very tiny village in the south west of England. Oh, is where I'm from neat to stout side of bath? I've been there it's kind of the places that you go to it's a very it's a lot of tourists. Well, I'm not, you know, I don't bring this up very often. I'm about to kill myself did live abroad and I have traveled around. I did a semester in London. I was. When I was in college, and then I lived in Edinburgh or out of college, and I went to, but during the flavor of Brit pop lowering myself, this, actually what you're the full you get in the puck. Hey, welcome to America. And he's let his right wrist for. And I will. But the first time I ever went to the UK go ahead. Listen up guys. I really it. Five the listeners, what does case for Chris in the United Kingdom? It's a triad of okay regardless the first time I went I went to London with my cousin when I was sixteen and I bought now that's what I call music. All you like it was probably forty five at that point, it was like ninety seven or ninety eight one was probably inflate thirty six. I think it was like thirty six UK starting earlier excited way Elliott. They didn't even exist in them, America. When I got mine, and it had but well, I just was like, what is didn't exist in the America. That's what I was laughing. The America, I have been looking for these those, like now thirty full through now, thirty eight like compilations on Spotify from specifically the UK on us, and I have not found one, I think I might have to go, and, like, find a playlist somewhere and plug it in room. I wear my CD. Is it was a double seat? Oh, yeah. They were double CDs CD was more pulpy. And then the second CD is slightly more indie. Yes. And that was, I remember on that CD that was karma. Police was on. It was like this band is cool. Those albums had cool on and they had, like, also very weird like British electronic pop music than I would not have been exposed to. I'm trying to remember like like murder on the dancefloor. Oh, yeah. Or I don't know if that song was or like Sarah beckon. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So impacts Beckett Hawkins. There's in very plush mom was a blue pea to present like very. Yeah. But you've found not. And as we took a lot of in the. Agency in the next what you were about to say which was so PC Hawkins. Different theory similar named called Sophie, give you that much the Dario, g son chime. Oh, yeah. Not a song that ever made it here to me. It's a hit. It's very weird. There's a game that they play in UCB, like one, oh, one to oh classes. I think it's hot hot spot where you have to jump in the middle and sing a song. And that game was very difficult for me. Because the music that I know is very different from that Americans know. And I was not fully aware of that until the humiliation of me very loudly. Singing a song that everybody was supposed to join their like you know this this year. What's, oh my gosh. What was that girl group? That which. To be a lot. Oh, crap. Why can't I think of their name? It'll come All Saints All Saints. Yes, great. That is All Saints. There was an all seen song on if you wanna have a good time. I know where it's at right. Whereas I was on the compilation as well. So that was like my intro to Brit, pop like that double CD in particular. That's one song that I found out that Americans had not had from this time recently called. I am Honi whether I know that on. Yes. That's like a freestyle song. It's like kind of like a house music, right? Yeah. House music that has great. But nobody nobody knows it. He that's long. It's amazing. Yeah. Genuinely I'd straight. It's on horizontal just I'm Honi Honi. Honey, honey? Yeah. And so on a on on. It's like. It's a great song. I find I have it on a playlist. That is currently downloaded. I'm Mike called. I'll house. You all house music. I am. I am like I don't know if I'd say obsessed, but I really do love it when something like hits number one in the UK that is like crazy. Like the mist lobby song yet. I looked it up at the time, Chevron you and I interact Twitter was because I, I made a tweet about how sweet. A song that was number one for two weeks in the UK. It knocked off, John Lennon's, posthumous, just like starting over right after he died in it's called, there's no one, quite like grandma, and it's a children's chorus singing this weird little song called there's no one quite like grandma. It started a little thread, where we were going back and forth in the blobby song does come up the blobby. Well, Mr. blobby was. The meat also, Mr. Bloe, great is that no one can say blobby in a way that sounds then you like Mr Bloom lobby. Vay understand in America, if they were like a next up, it's Mr. blobby like. Case bobi. I'm like, yes. Who's this Mr. blobby was a mascot on, like moaning, young people's television. And then he was also he's like captain OG read more. Show like it was one of those like he's in Mr. puppies, career is going great because he's in, like five different shows right now in everybody loves him and he wears a an outfit. He's a monster monster outfit and he has some kind of voice changing saying. Okay. That's truly it. And then the song is maybe I've ever heard. How does it go? So this is I'm gonna show you. Terrifies also terrified. Smoothen, bald. I say that I thought he was good. He looks like those things that you would get in the nineties, or you would you hand squeezed with a face on? Yes. Sometimes as a country we just goal in on a bit. And it's something that I love about England like those one year on the x factor. Whether this pair of twins cold Jesuit at something, Jeremy and Edward, I think, but they that banding was deadwood wherever they with the west thing is you've ever heard. But for some reason as a whole country we were like this is really funny. We have taking voting really off. I don't think they want, but they came like second or third, and they definitely have a career now. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's so grown man. Yeah. It's just like funny. Well, it's like yeah. Apple are funnier. As an average, because there's less people there. And there's a history of humor, I think, in the Erica, we it's there's too many people here and not enough, cool PPI. I mean, John baguette is to really white America's puritanism and puritanism is inherently unfunny. And that's why we kick them out and made them come to a different country, 'cause they cancel Christmas. We will no fuck off go way. It's bad. The, the core of our country is rotten. Worried. I'm sorry. I'm having a very hard week. It's. We for our country. I've not happy. It's fine music while, yes. Other song that you had brought up in this thread of on was something called blue. Oh my gosh. S this song, genuinely gets me pumped up. And I listen to it, sometimes, okay? Let's let's hear Vindaloo by football anthem fat less and this made soccer. Yes, he's Sokha, this made me laugh, and I haven't listened to it since you had posted it. So I don't remember what it was nuts. No. Okay. Good. So in Galicia, there's nothing more fucking football Chan where you also save where you're from. Yeah. I love football chance. And I feel like American sport is missing out on not having football Chinese. We have a bunch of big strong men singing, I'm forever blowing bubbles, which is a football John in England's excellent. Excellent can't they do? They love a big chant, and I want to be clear. This song was number one for weeks. Played on for weeks. It was number two weeks because number one was a rerelease of three lines on his shut by. The lightning seeds and fuck to comedians who do who do football wait lions with John's on. It's all about football. It was during the World Cup. Okay. Okay. Oh, my, my question is, was this played on the radio constantly really charted? So it had to have significant radio where it was as did, there's no one quite like grandma, as Mr. blobby song, also during comic relief. Somebody did a music video to show me the way to Morello, which I think is an English song. It's not an it's a country and western song, but it isn't English country and western song perfect. Got, hey, you know, honky cat is written by John. You know lot. They've got a lot of pain. Joe cocker was British how like I don't get it. Yeah. Like I. I wonder the thing too, about the size of England also is that they are concil be a national obsession. Yes. In a way that there is not in America, any rate like it's just a small, like it's, it's not a tiny country that's still sixty million seventy million people that live there. But it's just so much more compact. Yes. And so that there is more for want of a better. What cross-contamination very easy to self segregate in this country. But in England your every every, I'm from the other side of the country to London. It's two hours away. Yeah. You know. And, and there are just like, cultural institutions that like you're like comic relief. Like people still watch it. They attention that like the biggest comedians are still on it. You, you. We have what we have here. The we have comic relief to. Right. I don't know. We still do. I think that. Yeah. But it's just like we, we don't I don't think anymore, we did for hot, second the way we do with British things that we do. We do it for, and we like excited about it. 'cause like for the longest time, England only had five channels and also radio one is like a huge incubator of new music radio. One. I mean festival that deejays genuinely love music than not just that for fame based reasons. It's like I am fascinated by this. And this is a thing that I care about, but also they have a lot of rules around. They have to have a set number of British autism playing which means that they find a lot of new British artists, and that very good at finding new work and, and highlighting that and also there is one one radio station that the whole country listens to write the all agreed to continue to listen to, you know what I mean. It's very interesting. It's more monoculture in that way. And we don't really have I my I work for British people and gross. About my boss was talking about a Christmas. Number one. He was working on a film about like a Christmas, number one. That's such a big thing. And the number one is major and also again, sometimes a bit because people are like wouldn't it be funny if we got this song from nineteen Seventy-three to number one everybody go out and buy it. And sometimes it happens. So the Christmas number one is literally just the number one album on Christmas the number one single on Christmas. Yeah, there's no in court would be an example Christmas. Number one. It's so interesting to me, like, we don't have that cultural like a monolithic thing also. You were talking about football chance. And I think maybe it's because we have, like cheerleading here, which is bad. It's bad and also doesn't hype anybody up was boat of this game. But these girls dancing, so. Here. Right, exactly. I feel like a halftime show or like dance. I feel like cheerleading is a skill in and of itself. I do not feel like the actual leading cheers. No actually leading. Cheers. Nobody's like, oh. Hey, I'm giving you a listen to what the cheerleaders are saying, everybody will lead us. And I mean. And I mean I guess different different sports teams have their own songs. I remember when the Blackhawks were doing well, in Chelsea dagger was like their song that dude it did it, dude it, that's on was really big in Chicago for a while. But we don't I'm lacking, yellow by was Khalifa is. Anthem that went to number one. That's like a closest thing is wiz. That. I don't. Yeah. So side track high wouldn't tell you. Did. Hundred thousand funds sing, you'll never walk alone in that gruff est living flex. What's you'll never walk alone. It's a song from the musical carousel. What is the livable? That's still the Liverpool anthem like Liverpool football. Hold your head up high and. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do them. Hit single. That's so funny. Well, you know, a usually the sport songs we have in America are songs that had already existed, and then we repurpose them like seven nation army, or like Gary Glitter's rock and roll part to the Matic, which is very problematic because he is another. Oh my God. Major nearly I it was like in Singapore, or somewhere. He nearly was executed by firing squad. What he said, if it should be. Yeah. Using that without knowing what happened. But it really sad. He was. He's one of those guys that's like I'm gonna move to Thailand. So I can fuck a bunch of children. Oh, no. Bad guy. But he's behind bars. He's not seeing any of these residual with thing is sports arenas have phased that song out, so they don't have to pay him great. You know, and there's a great Joan Jett song called do you wanna touch? That's a hitter. Oh, no. So like they people can't play that song. Like there was a touch screen apple commercial that had that Joan Jett song, but people got upset because they're like, this is sending a lot of money, Gary glitter. So we I mean is high again. I'm just like. Should they just donate all the money he makes to like, you know? Right. But fix exactly. That's I'm should force him. Razz sentencing to publishing goes to creative. Sitcom style. Wow, wouldn't it be great if X Y fortunately the, the way that works is like if you start to do that, then, like, you know, every person, every people are going to try to find a way to fuck over artists like if you, if you decide that you can take someone's publishing in diverted someone else, then that will be you, even though it's supposed to be used for good. You know, it will eventually be used for evil one of the great tragedies of almost like money. These data is that. The guy that wrote all of a huge hit. Oh, no, no, no. The hold close. This. We love it strep in orphan. Of course he did. Pathak also. So they he wrote another musical, cold twang, this time, I think, with two exclamation points, instead of just the one sold the rights to all of us. So he could put this musical up all of the most famous comedic minds and British that television theatre were in this show. The greatest composer of British musical theater at that time showed lasted for nine days, I think, and then closed and then he no longer had the rights to Oliver and had lost his money on this show. And then that's it. Okay. He's not like a pedophile with. I mean, we could also be pedophile but I don't think he is. I think just a sad broke man ruin Oliver for me that Oliver is like a big deal. But it it did you know, allies. Allies of my life. That's all make deal. It's just like. Brought me to Hollywood. Another song that American sports arenas and teams have co opted is song two by blur. Wow. Is this a transit if I may it's one of the great transitions right now? But you chose blur the artists to discuss this week. And I'm curious what your connection is to that band. Well, I'm in. They so in England in as a teen as a even younger than as a teen, the most important, and I question that you would ask any other human being laser voices. Yeah. Really very important. And you had to like both of them. But you had to pick a side. And I was absolutely a blood will. I love him so much. Also low key? They're very dreaming. Not a big deal that they all day man. He's so dreamy. I I'll fest album, I bowl at the great escape, which I genuinely think is like a next level, great album and every time I listen to it. I'm like, yeah, this is great. Just whole stands up every song is like real, it's such a weird album and I was listening to it coming over here. And I was like, none of these love songs there every single one of these songs is a sketch about a shitty type of dude. Can like what a great absolutely should be more albums about shitty types of dude, because what's park life on the hot life is not on him. Oh, 'cause I'm like, man parklife is also. Like and then goals like boys, like Boise, like girls also about shitty type of dude but country country house. Country housing is about their manager yet does one song that supposed to be about the guy that directed look stock into smoking barrow guy. Jobless man is yet it's about guy Ritchie, apparently. Currenly stereotypes is all about shitty. Suburban people swinging in the suburbs, because it's everything is boring. Like it's very same. They just got the mayor of London. I don't know if he was the mayor of London at the time, but he he just Tokes on the album. You're just you just him out. They would do that. Yeah, I. Yeah, my familiarity with blurb. Is once again, always through an ex boyfriend. Always, but I but the like the songs that I can identify are obviously, like boys and girls and girls, and boys, Joe, I just, I don't want people to come after you into eter. I'm protecting you are thing God. Oh, yeah. Before we really go into this. I just have to say I am so bad at remembering names. And I'm gonna fuck it up. Oh, don't worry my dick. Our fans are nice winters. They're not they're not a part of that type of call out great correction culture. If you will. Girls and boys park live song to obviously. And then gosh, I'm trying to think of what else I know of blur, because the thing is even though in America, it was not blah, says it was like who's blur, Heli oasis. And everybody wonder will. Yeah. And just like that whole album. Right. Like came out at a time when everybody was really buying CDs. Oh, yeah. I, I really I had a life boat, this shit out of that. Yeah, but I did not have any blur, CDs I got into blur kind of retroactively singles. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of those bands while I feel like pulp is like in the swayed. Yes. Yes. Groups that really don't have an imprint? Culture and I feel like the great escape. And then the pulp album fuck, what's it cold? Yes, are both albums about class warfare, which is very fun. And maybe not a subject that Americans are ready to. We're ready. Yet, it's ready for I feel like America's getting ready. Neither ninety. About two right now. Socialism thing is maybe a good idea. So like if you're feeling that maybe go in this into some pulpits and play. Well, you know, the we've talked about how confusing the rock and Roll Hall of fame is why it exists in for what reason who makes decisions and it is all kind of shouted. Shadowed shadowed. It's all in trousers shrouded. That's what I'm looking. It's all shrouded in secrecy. But I have done my best to put together a list of categories where I think, if you do well in these than you have a good case for induction, and we're gonna take a little break. And when we come back, we will evaluate blur by those categories break while we've really are back to the back to the old habits. All right. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. I hope you had a nice break. I hope that during your break you were able to look into things like class warfare and socialist. If you don't. And that I, hopefully, maybe learned something not only about history, but about yourself. Maybe you form some opinions that you want to tweet. Oh. All right. So let's go through these categories with the band blur. And with a lot of these categories, I think it's there's gonna be a lot of like yes, in England. So let's talk about critical acclaim that's the first category. And yes, in England not to say that American critics didn't embrace blur. I actually think that they did. And there's a lot of I bet pitchbook is real wet foot, blah. Oh for sure is no way because the whole wastes versus blur, kind of dichotomy much cooler to say that you like blur because they were not as popular now. It is. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It was it's a weird thing kind of reading about that, because there was this thing where they released singles like among their first singles on the same day, and it was this battle of Brit, pop. Oh, yeah. I also feel like a lot of people in. America have gotten into blah, retroactively through the guerrillas. Yeah. Are much much, which is just Damon Albarn again? Because everybody else is like a revolving door. He only consistent. It's his it's him in a bunch of cartoons. Yeah. What are you talking about? Cartoons cartoons. A bunch of cool cotton's? None of those cartoons have people behind them. Just no. Nothing. But yeah, the battle of Brit pop was. I was and I feel like oh aces. I think that they did. I mean I love always is still the thing that I think is fascinating is that always is, has such a reputation of being like shitty people, but blurred def definitely should people as well. They're, they're, they're suck to. I don't think that they suck. I think that it's fun that this shitty. Yeah, there's certainly definitely not humble and that definitely like David album has been very snowy about, like you shouldn't be in a band of economies. Which I think I'm pretty sure always is a not people who can not classically. No. Whereas Damon Albarn was like, I'm going to write a an Oprah for the English national that's owned pentatonic scale. Yeah. All right. Calm down. We all know you're smart. Wow. He said something very early on in their career. It was like I think it's our third album where we're really going to really going to break through, and it's got change things. And he said this before their first album, and he was kinda, right though. The battle of Brit pop was country. House versus roll with it and country house sold about fifty thousand more singles, and they it was, like, okay blur is winning. But stay relevant is also the west album song album choice. Man. I hate that song. I, I mean, I don't hate. That's just like it's a Philip. That we know and love, but they say blur, won the battle of the of Brit pop, but always won the war because especially because things really took off releases in America. And I actually think that blood later albums suffered for that, like, I think off to the great escape, they became more generic, and Moulmein stream, they were more by kind of American music. That's when like with Beasley bum and song to, like, America sided paying attention, and it was paying for them. But I think that their music is much less. Interesting later on. So the critical acclaim is there so have any albums on the charts. The thing is on the list, you me on the less. The thing is they don't on enrolling shown Rolling Stone doesn't kind of acknowledge them in any of big lists. Go to like not bode, well, an EMMY. Oh, yeah. It's like you can't it's like too much blur. Yeah. You know. But that doesn't obviously reflect anything that the rock hall is gonna do whereas Rolling Stones more of a more connected. Okay. New new music express. Yeah. Everybody what everybody come in. What for? I think it is expressed near and then let's talk about, I mean, we're talking about the list, do they have what you would consider to be classic albums? And again in Ann. In england. It's like nearly that whole stretch rain, you know, probably starting with modern life is rubbish. Modern life is rubbish parklife in the great escape are there like life trilogy. That is, like extremely British decidedly British, and then also I would say the self titled, which is the one that has a song to on it, and beetle bum came after that I would also probably put in that category of classic albums, but in America, unfortunately, it was beat Obama, every ever popular here this song that we're talking about. Okay, because it's kind of a dirt, Jim, I right? Beadle boom wasn't too. Yeah. I do. But I just to see if I'm remembering the correct song, 'cause I think it's kind of a dirt. Yeah for them. It was it was like blurs back in England came out, it was like it was a long time. I think it was like three or four years between great escape, and blah. And like the kind of Brit pop thing had. Faded and then they had like come back, like, hey, here's our second act in a way. And. Yeah. This was not one that took on. Durch. This is dirt. So that's what I'm thinking of, we got some dirty ass dirge in around here just. And it never picks off, right. Distortion on the vocals on this album, which for me. I was like the best thing about Eric's icon here with us saying, why I wanna hear the woods, the thing, they're good at the wood, oh, coffee, and tea TV. This is what this is reminded me of coffee. Abby had that amazing video that incredible video with the milk cartons looking for each other, the strawberry milk looking tragic. Yes. And then they get run over that, that was a great mute. I remember that being very popular in the late ninety let's talk about that's the next category, which is recognizable songs, so funny, that I had to hear Beato bomb to remember this on coffee and TV has a very similar. Yeah, good. Tar line in it. If we're talking about America the recognizable song is onto right? Everybody knows. Then beyond that I feel like most Americans just didn't come across any other blur song. You were seeking it out. I think the only lot of MTV in the ninety. Yeah. Yeah. And you're watching the cool shows MTV night show. Yeah. No, I mean, I remember coffee and TV the music video was so popular. I think it might have even busted into TRL type of that. If I may that's crazy, but I don't really remember. I wasn't like staying up to watch one hundred twenty minutes all the time, you know. Yeah, it's still registered. It was around. I'd say the only other song that I knew about from blur, until I started, like purposely diving in was there's no other way. Just like an early. It's from like their first album here I'll play. I'll play a little bit of. There's no other way. I think it has also aged well like. Oh my. Yeah. Just such nineties. Yeah. Pob type big audio dynamite Yatom like. Yeah. Yeah. Or like a primal scream. Would they British was primal scream? British that sounds, I think they would precious. Well, yeah, this is a very or like a corner shop like all of those like last night. Nineties Brit, pop type songs that was some like Jhangvi Austin powers soundtrack tiny. Right. One of them was railing against in this anti-british screed was that it was pastiche Chevy, like I don't think it is best, the best of it is not the some of the bad stuff is definitely nineteen sixties staged. But the best of it is taking sounds from the sixties and telling a whole new story. Yeah. I mean it's like it was like kind of like the garage electro is like you took like, kind of garage music from the sixties and put a little electro in it for the nineties for in the nineties, baby. Yeah. And it's gosh, that is such a night like just even the opening of that, maybe feel. But so that's from the American perspective. And then I mean we talk about pitchfork. They did put girls and boys on their list of the pitchfork, five hundred. Which is a list, they put out of almost like complementing, the or insulting ELO. The Rolling Stone five hundred list, which is like a lot of songs from the sixties. And seventies pitchforks list is way more contemporary and cooler and they have girls and boys on there. And also on called for tomorrow. What's for tomorrow? If I even know that song friends, I've got I've got just the thing. He got it. Yeah. Century. It's wild that this song. Yeah. I mean, this sounds very sixties. Yeah. I really think that right escape, is that best album, and it's not just because it's the first album, I bow. Uh-huh. There it is. I don't know this line. Yeah. At had hit peak British. This is the kind of song that you're at a pod and album. It was people start at to talk. Absolute absolute chain. Yes. Very much. So. Yeah. In just listening to them. You do here. I mean I is blurred the most British ban of all time. Wow. I would throw x t c in their accede to me is not as I guess. More familiar, whatever song called making plans for Nigel. I also feel like Slade is maybe the most British just because of that. The how important the slates Christmas song is who is Slade Slade American audiences, because quiet, riot covered them. They originally did come on feel the noise. Okay. So there. The apex glam silly glam rock from the seventies. To me Slade. Sounds like it's going to be a soul band. No, like sister sledge, kind of, I guess. It's glam Rex. Slade is very British ecstasy. Their Christmas song. We should play. It is. See Christmas loans are genuinely so important. Well, that's. Explain this to me, and he was, like, you know, like Christmas. Number one. I was like, no, it's very we have like twenty Christmas songs the most recent Christmas. We have is all I want for Christmas is you. And we're done it. Well, and it's like the Christmas number one factors very heavily into the movie love actual. Yes. I think that people don't understand the importance of it to able huge Christmas. Number one. Yes. They're they're song. Straight force top Bob straight classic. Timmy, sampled on sing. Suspiciously underage girls in the video. I. They ride a rent now. Brian did. Chorus baby. Oh, I have. Probably. Well. Probably. I mean, this is definitely I just constantly on this long is great. It's great. Why isn't this big? That doesn't make a ton of sense. Right. Because we're in desperate need of Christmas song, don't that don't suck and we love Christmas. Boy, we love Christ. This is great but in England, I think also Christmas is more of a secular holiday. Yes. Like editor hasn't been a war on it. Right. Nobody goes to chech- at all really in England. That's not true. But like much mortuary than hand. Yes, it's just not we'll go to church schools. And then by the time you graduate, you like I'm done with judge forever. Goodbye. Yeah. It's that's long is so good. It's great. And it's nice. It's a fan. Yeah, we'll Slade. Get into the rock and Roll Hall fame. No. I think directional of. But there's rumors because def Leppard got in this year and the name checkmark bolan, God, I keep forgetting the def Leppard his bread. Yeah. I know that when you talk about I mean, we were there, I just. It does seem weird. They're not read pop band. All they are the least British British. They're the most most spans. Yes, I would say that, for sure. Who's, who's the most British of American Benz green to green day? Yeah. For ably or I mean I said that really fast because I said earlier, but who else could I think that might be maybe All Saints actually because those two main girls are American, but they sound. There's no American people though, who they, God bless them. They're good. Yeah. I like All Saints from that genre next category is commercial success, which I may in England, but, you know, eventually in America, especially off the strength of song to, you know that album ended up doing very well. And then after that in like you had mentioned before kind of retroactively American listeners came to blur came back and did. All right. I mean that the self titled album went gold in America, which, you know, for ban it's supposed to be huge. Not great gas, not platinum. And then nothing else really hit any distinctions titled is the one with the greyhound running really fast on the front. No. That's pop life. That's park. Let us one. I can picture that butchering journey. Oh, no. Yeah. No way man. Sorry only the parklife governor is the one. I know also I think park life is. Is a great song. That's really my favorite is really good and really weird. Yeah. A great karaoke track. Yes. As long as the other people that you're doing karaoke with our coal in no songs. Yeah. It's a great while. And it's also a fun one that like you know, it's a weird sing talk the to have a. I'm an truly so many sketches secret sketch album. But then with a great chorus like a along chorus, it's really hard to be sad and listened to puck life. And still be said. Yeah. And I've tried believe me, it's funny because it's kind of a sad song about of sad. Just hangs out in, but he lives his best night, happy with this. You loves living. And for a moment, there's a part, I'm happy for the rest of the day. They'll always be of my lot hot devoted to it. Yes. And that makes me feel like maybe sometimes I just need smaller goals. Right. Go to the park and feed the pigeons, and then that's got some some British awaken by trousers on have a Cup of tea. Yeah. And you should cut down on your poke light guest, some exercise. Next category is longevity, which is where I think they do they do pretty, well, they've had some periods where they were gone. Yeah. They just released new album like a couple of years ago. I think the metric with to it do you mean the magical, but the ice cream on the front. Yeah they're all now. So bus ie. No. But, you know, they, they had a run their of, you know, all the nineties, you know, that leisure was ninety one. And then think tank was it? Legis so you guys have legis what? What? Why? Rec center. Okay. You're like what's the equivalent of leisure centre? I was like whorehouse. What are you describing? Pool in it. Yeah. Like a rec center innovation influence hark district, another is another category and one where I think they do quite well. I think the blur influence on bands that Americans do know like the effort mention cold play. Like nearly I would say every ban that came out of Britain after them. Yes. To tip a hat to blurt just Radiohead saying we hated blur. So we ate something. Yeah. Like. Also. Yeah. Yeah. There were contemporaries. I just mean like you, can you can be influenced by contemporary. Yeah. And you can be influenced by things that you don't like I definitely have moved to places in my career out of spite for people who same place in comedy as me, oh, this person succeeding, fuck them, yet in this other direction, that's completely different. And then the last category is does my mom know who they are. Oh, does your mom nobler is why wonder if my mom, I would say, I would say pretty definitively, especially because my mom was born in New Jersey. So go ahead and say she doesn't know so I'm on mice. I'm going to ask interesting, wh we'll get our responses when we get them if we get them. But let down to our verdict. Do we think blur? We'll get into the rock and Roll Hall of fame if so, when and we'll start with Kristin. Okay. It's really hits. Do we think they will should they? And, and if so one, wow, we haven't done this in a while some time we have been knee-deep ceremony. Sees should they I say, yes, they should definitely be in the corridor fame for shore. Which is what we've determined is the British maybe that's what's missing. They should definitely be in the corridor. And I also think they should be in the hall. Will they I don't think so I don't. I just think there's so many other bands, that are more popular here, and, but they could I guess, if they did, I think it's going to be a while, I think we're looking at fifteen years if they do get in unless they released something that becomes really popular again, if they have like a new release that breaks through in is in style GIC, then. Yes, interesting. That's my thoughts. Okay. Shown. I think that the chances a slim and also, if they get in everybody will turn up. But Damon all you think Damon and David is think although also there, Qatar est. Is like guy who owns a farm now, Kurds, like very jail. And like just owns a farm and makes cheese Graham Allitt games James, right? Who's the bass player? Yeah. Bass player. He now makes very wholesome femme based content. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe maybe they wouldn't be fucked up because also like. There's no context for it in England. Really? Yeah. We have that, like many other countries have equivalents of rock and roll fame in every now. And again, these big Ben's get like, hey, do you wanna come to a stray Lear, and be awarded with some things for some, the golden, boomer? And what we like to me, and they're like, no. Comeback bother. Yeah. Send it out. Grab on right back to. That's how you do it. I think blur will probably not get into the rocker hall of fame because of the anti. British bias not so much anti-british. But just like super it's a super American thing. What I think would have to happen is it would have to be like, maybe twenty years from now where the old mother fuckers. You've got a big Boehner for the sixties or gun and there are young weather. Fuck is who have a big of for the ninety exactly what's going to happen. Well we're going from the sixties to the nineties. It's that's what the hall is going to be. It's like the we've got is we're kind of in the eighties. We finally made it to the eighties now which have doesn't make a ton of sense because the artists who are becoming eligible right now are ninety artists blurb became eligible three years ago. So they, they could have been inducted, then or the good of a nominated or anything. But yeah, the hall is slow, it's a slow institution. So like it's only now that the cure is be- is being inductive, or like def Leppard or, you know, these are Gina Jackson artists from the eighties, that we're finally getting, it's just it's creepy, slowly. So I think it would have to take some time and then the people in charge of the hall. To be the journalists who can understand the importance of blur without having to have been involved with it from, like the billboard charts in America. I wonder even like if they'll get nominated you know. Yeah. Like you said it is such an American institution and I d feel like that there is a Sutton. I don't even want to say snow pary because number is not quite the right word, but those like a protectiveness. I feel like that rock. N roll is an American medium. And if you're not doing it in the American way, then you're doing it wrong, which is so interesting because the biggest rock band ever getting out of I mean two of the British. Yeah. Our, our biggest van our biggest rock bands tend to be not from America in America tends to their, their big icons tend to be solo Artis, you know. But, you know, I think because we're also spread out. It's hard to form community. Just generally more individualistic. You have to with other people if you're in a band, that's not the American where the American way no way, somebody in the something's. That's the American way, right? Yeah. You have a band, and you're like, okay, mud crutch. You can't be this. But you have to be called. Tom petty and the Heartbreakers. Crutch that was his band, and there were like you can't have a band. We want you. We think we can market and sell you as Tom petty and he was like, okay, but I still wanna have my band still have a ban. So then it was Tom petting, the heart burgers, that's so interesting could you imagine if mud crutch? The bad name type of music. Yeah. Of mud crutch but made meat. Maybe something that's in the favor of blurs chances is the fact that Roxy music was inducted this year. Oh, music is in the blush. Absolutely. Come on. It took them took them a long time got in this year, which is like if it happens. The blur. It feels like it also take them a right calm like yet, ten to fifteen years, then maybe it'll be, but Roxy music is, is very, British and didn't do super well over here in terms of commercial success. So, yeah. But let's say they do get in. Let's say they're getting in this year. Great. What, what songs do they play at the ceremony? I mean, I think pot life. Absolutely. I mean festival. This is what I would want them to play, what they would play is not necessarily these things. Sure. And also there's a little bit of influence from the hall like what we want your stuff. So I think pot live song. Rock music, made some wild choices. I don't know if you know the song and every dream home a heartache but it's a bizarre song about a blow up doll. Oaken word amazing. I blew up then you blew my mind it's weird blue migraine. But you're seeing park, live song to maybe coffee and TV 'cause yeah, it's so while 'cause I really don't think that that's that great of a song. I love the music. Video was so fucking good. It was that it really transcended, and it's fun. I mean it's a very pop song. That's a song, you can sing along with. Structure early poppy. And then yeah, maybe country house. That's what I would think it's hard to I would trust you house. House, very big house in the country. I do know that you're repeats and the food eight and. What? Yeah, I know that's on. But not really again, but every single one of the songs in this album are them being shitty little bitch. And I love it so much. I would say, probably song too country house in then maybe girls and boys, girls and boys. I would love it if they played parklife my votes are for song to I think they end on song to obviously you're opener end on it. Yeah. I think that they open on park live, and then I think, in the middle they do girls, and boys. And even you know, these ceremonies more than three song. I think there's no other way just it from the first album in like it is recognizable. One died. I, I still don't recognize this early like we heard it. You recognize these recognize the John. Yeah. The era. I was like, oh, yes, this is the late nineties. We're, we're wearing bright lime colors. Yeah. Choker on our hair tiny butterfly clue. Butterfly clips, we hit back, and I feel like it's the first time in my life, where I'm like, oh, I remember this the first time. No that weird trend comes back, a trend that you watched people eventually make fun of comes back, and you're like, but I know how this ends. Remember, we're just gonna make fun of I know I'm worried low rise. Gene, Mike God giant own no go in the belt loops over the top. I see pictures of myself from the late nineties early two thousands. I used to wear my belts to the side, I would not wear them in the center, I thought I was so very alternative wearing little Cami over the top of teasha. Oh my gosh. Gets into the rock and Roll Hall of hockey ahead. You don't talk about fashion. Yeah. Who in ducks them, who? Oh, I mean, it would be really fun for us to do it. But they absolutely dill fucking hate each other, and it would not happen, who either. I mean, there's kind of three categories an artist that influence them. It could be a contemporary or it could be an artist. That was very influenced by Chris Martin could do it who have duct Peter Gabriel heater Gabriel. Yeah. That makes a lot. Who else? Yeah, I think Chris Martin could do it. Good one. I feel like maybe somebody from the girl is also. One of those. She's Tina Weymouth and the gorilla on. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. Could David Byrne duck bone. I don't know what his relationship with them at all this to be in a band of a women. They had a falling out. Sounds like sounds great. Yeah. I think that they also have made a lot of enemies maybe Jarvis cocker from pulp. Oh, yeah. I don't know that Powell's, I wonder if they made a lot of enemies, but they made the charts in enemy. Nice three going. Stephen just came to me. Right. That Mick Jones who is the member of the clash who did. Big big audio dynamite. If he would be as any feelings about blur, that would be do you think that he would have he positive side of the clash the songs that he did with the clash like you could draw a line? Like I don't know if Davies gave a shit about. He's another one where you can draw a line. Yeah. Ler backup to him singing about the village green. Yeah, the kinks definitely blur influences. The those weird kinks song. Yeah. Here we go. Mick Jones, the clash Babo, blah big audio dynamite. Has toward the world as part of the guerrillas live band. All right. Then that could happen. Jones says he famous enough like I mean he was in the clash. Yeah. But I'm just saying like he's not the famous one from the class guys did Joe strimmer unfortunately I now. But I just mean like I guess what I'm saying is, like, I don't know if he has the name ID to feel it has to be a musician. Also, not David Letterman inducted Pearl Jam Chris rock, February, and Howard Stern is one. How about lily Allen? I feel like island lightly. Definitely not think that people care about her here. Oh, I know. I feel like she's very blurry. Yeah. Like Steffi death. A definite album in two thousand Seattle, but not sense. Like I don't know that. Yeah, you're gonna be able to pull lily Allen. You need to have that American reparation. Yeah. Because it's mostly it's like, you know, you want a good speech, but it's also bringing people into this ceremony early, Allen's big song was here was about hating someone. Right. Sure it was about, like it was a really upbeat song about hating someone is one about writing a bike through the streets of London. Very I leave out fresco the that she says. Simple bed. Edited, the yeah, exactly. Danger mouse, played on some guerrillas albums. Now. Nobody knows what he looks like. With your thinking dad mouse, but danger mouse also is not someone that people like, no, no. Like, like, you know, he did an album with Jay z. I think not officially but he did the Jay Z the green, where he took the blackout them in the white. Together. The grey album. Yes. So I guess Mick Jones. Chris Martin yet, Chris Martin's probably the, the choice, and the, the most obvious, great if, if Blair induction to the rock, and Roll Hall of fame will you come with us to the ceremony. Absolutely. I will do that. Great. That by twenty years can have some chili what are they have in Cleveland? I think her song was called smile. 'cause it's like she thinks of you Alison. Yeah. Yeah. It's like she hates him so much when she thinks about him, she smiles because she's not with them anymore. I knew that I was onto something induction. Ceremonies go from New York to Cleveland back and forth. Every other year artless of where we are. Great famous Neo chilly. Big slap Brooklyn chilly bin slumped back slope chilly. What am I doing your lost it? I think that about does it should thank you so much for joining us, and talking about this nothing about left and helping us. I don't know if it's getting to the bottom, but just talking more, thank you. For giving me an opportunity to talk more about John. It wasn't just my. Trim. I've got my news. Ready? So pot. So Bucci at one of you to kick the stool out. I also spent some time in burbs von is they're somewhat dies from. So I have also spent some time in work, and we find you online or anything I am at voting. Tom spell that. V. R. N. I. E. T O M. It's like my name is Shawn phone funny. The thing for us spell. It's impossible. It's nobody can smell Sheboygan including me. Don't worry about it is that. Nitrile. B. H. A N. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Pop Music Inductees with Ellie McElvain

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Pop Music Inductees with Ellie McElvain

"Hi everybody welcome but who cares about the rock? Call a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and Some say it's pretty cool with blue. Are they with me? As as always is someone who would not say that someone who doesn't care much about this institution the Rock Hall. Kristen stuttered hello. Christopher Lowe LOW KRISTEN DOT com. It's me getting ready to it. Yeah you wouldn't even let me say my fake little intro for myself but you know what some people would say. It's cool roof. You know why I. I'm actually on the fence. If our guest would say that. It's cool my obsession with the Rock Hall. We're about to find. Let's bring her in a very funny comedian and writer. Uh specifically she writes for the Youtube series. Good Mythical Morning Ellie mcilvaine. I think it school fuck you. I think anyone who's obsessed with anything to the level that Joe's obsessed with the Rock Hall. I think that's cool because I'm obsessed with things to that level just different things cooler things get there we have it have it. Kristin might say in your face. Oh Yeah Nice when she said she's obsessed with cooler things then you're Martin Obsession. I'm willing to take that people now. Think what I'm obsessed with this goal but you know Eliot little bit more marketable l. e. the last time. I I've I should acknowledge that you brought your dog. Your beautiful dog. Lola is here. She's here in the studio in Studio and I love her and if you hear just a little extra joy in my voice it's because I'm currently patent a little paper. It's the join love that only a dog can bring really. He's actually on the voting body of the rockoff right. Yes she had a ballot. It's wild but she cannot speak English and so it's very hard to no secret stays with her. It's interesting they put another woman on the voting. I mean she's white though so it's okay sure. Yeah that's to be expected. She's mixed L. E. Were you familiar at all with the goings on with the Rock Hall this year A little bit. What do you got for me? No a little bit pure lie. I'm so so at this point about a month ago. They announced twos being inducted this year. Allow that's huge free. That is huge. We had we cover the whole ballot and then the big announcement was really exciting. Now here's the thing we've had Elliott on the show before it was about a year and a half ago and I am in this moment like I know that we talked a lot about Taylor. Swift is that who we were talking about. Okay that's why shop shot for that for for old tease. I saw Maya. Yeah for sure you should so I want to show you. What would you prefer to see the ballot or who's being inducted because the balance has all the nominees including those who didn't inducted the ballot and then I want to be shocked. Okay great so I will show you so. Six artists were inducted from this ballot. Is that normally artists from this. Is that lasts. The novelty sixers. Right in the middle last year there were seven. There has been five year before that it was five looking at the full list. Who would you pick well me personally? Who's most eligible? Definitely Whitney Houston definitely nine inch nails from this year. They had a banner year of like with John Road influencing watch. They've been all over the place. I wouldn't have said nine inch nails any other year. But I've been hyper aware of them. This year I've loved he wrecks but I that's new to me enter your life to my brother because he is cool. Music Days Okay Recently he like this past year okay. That's very cool that's me. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I wouldn't say Dave Matthews Band. Thanks not alone in that and the DOOBIE brothers. I thought were kind of a joke. I mean they were which is why they hadn't been inducted yet. Even though they're kind of that Classic Rock Act you would assume right get in his wild is how many the acts that you mentioned are getting in really and even as even to drag them. No not even the ones you drought the ones you did not drag okay so the only one you didn't mention that's the two that you didn't mention that are getting in our big notorious. B I g. The DOOBIE brothers did get in this year. No SHAIMAA SO did T. Rex did nine inch nails wonderful and so two Houston. Oh my God I and I definitely didn't know at all. I believe that because you are in the reason you are here for this. Particular episode is because you are a pop aficionado. Yes that's me. An eternal optimist hung someone who appreciates and goes to bat for pop music. Quit absolutely banned. Whitney is one of the most pop- inductees to ever be inducted. I would say it makes sense. Yeah and if you're looking especially of the ballot and of the eventual class. What needs pop all day to the point where some could and have been critical of that? Move because it's the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Right. Right and she's so pop now. What I want to do is almost as giving a background and a defense for Whitney's induction. I do trace the lineage. We are going to not so much trace a lineage. But we're GONNA focus in on pop and we are going to go through the halls history with pop inductees. I would describe that as tracing the lineage but I wanna be clear that you could also trace and this is another defense of Whitney that we won't necessarily get into you but you could trace a soul an rn. Whitney all the way back and Etta James in artists like that. But we're going to go more on the top staff. That is a little bit more of my knowledge base but I know that the story and the changing terms of saw our. Mvp is like that's a whole episode. That's the right thing to talk about so I well and I'm sure we will get into this but yeah I mean it has to do with like crossover appeal. Aka being popular with white audiences makes you pop whereas having a primarily black audience makes you soul rushing many people. There's there's racism baked into how we define pop music in. It has changed and for the better but back in the day. Yeah Pop Music. You were right and the same. Exact music from a black artist is urban or earn. Be Literally every called like black me's ECM billboard yeah like black contemporary charts or something like that is something to consider some of that. I try to consider as I put together. The list of the pop inductees. Is that the way we think pop? In the way we have thought of Also as I put this together I got rid of all. The rock bands wonder if there are plenty of rock bands. Who were band? There are inducted So many rock bands. Who are very poppy. Like say journey or Bon Jovi or Beatles or Dave Clark five or the zombies or whatever you WanNa do but for the purposes of this. We can't do a three hour long episode but I had to narrow this down somehow so I got rid of the rock bands. I also tried to get rid of artists that are super associated with a particular genre like the Queen of Soul Aretha even though she has a lot of pop in her took her out because she's the queen of soul the King of Soul Sam Cooke same thing king of rock and roll Elvis Presley pop. He's he better be on this journey. Better believe us on the journey so I tried to. But it's as you might imagine difficult to Parse. The things out did the best. I could someone once said John. Genres are flawed It's not a. It's not a perfect list you know. They're artists like buddy. Holly Roy Orbison who are very popular but I think of them as foundational rock and roll artists Or someone like James Brown or Jackie Wilson who I think of as super important to soul rb so again. It's not perfect. I limited it to white artists. Guess how many how many inductees eight eighteen I made it. The top forty hell. Yeah Good Old. Joe Come into appropriate. I narrowed it down to what we can call the top forty top forty ally Malone all right so let's start from the beginning. I really I of that first. Class in nineteen eighty six. I think the most pop of those artists is the Everley brothers. Wow Yeah if you think about songs like all I have to do is dream engy. There's a lot of country there and there's a lot of rockabilly in rock and roll but at the foundation of do we know when the term pop was coined dyke was it and saying like. I'm just like no. I mean like where. Where did that comes from the word popular? Obviously but like. When did it start being used collide lately? Yeah so that's a really great question I'm going to get this wrong and But I I know generally it's Ben in use for really long time but our modern understanding of pop as being music that is widely shared and generally shiny. Happy things like that. Yeah that's that's more of the last couple of decades whereas pop was used for at least two hundred years in describing lots of types of things art of all sorts and You think of pop art hall. That's like part of when it started getting really popularized to use to use. They'll pop dance. It's popping and locking and different very different. This is different. It's clear the next year. Eighty-seven we have smokey. Robinson who again associated with John Res- but has a lot of pop in his career. And then it basically a teen idol and in one of the most pop- inductees was inducted that second year and that's Ricky Nelson Nelson Ricky Nelson came out of a TV show and he was a teenager on a show called adventures of Ozzie and Harriet and it was a real family. What a real yes. This was a real family but it was A. How did I not know that? But it was a string ozzy inherited. Yeah Sitcom the adventures of Ozzie and Harriet and ran for a very long time. It was they were really married to each other. And those were Nelson was the father. And then Ricky Nelson was like the heartthrob teenager and there would be like almost like proto music videos in those early days because he would just start singing a song because it was all integrated. He has a song about being like a teenager in love. A teenager's romance is illegal. Teenagers ROMANCE IS RED HOT. Or He would sing that. He'd like debut it on the show and he was like super handsome like sixteen seventeen year old and he was very much a heartthrob but he also he did a lot of music. That was very rock and roll out. He's very much like a teenage idol. Depa tradition. That's the first that I've heard at least that far. Back of someone being groomed to be a star from personality and like star making versus music or being discovered because of your actual music and then obviously that becomes a trend later on yeah comes very image base absolutely. I mean it's always been well. Also that's is interesting because you know we've had discussions on this show about the monkeys and things like that. And it's just Ricky Nelson got his. Start on Ozzie Ozzie. And Harriet did he write the songs typically not no. I'M GOING TO GUESS. No Billy eyelash here but what do I know you know and then eighty a eligible for Sherbro. First Year inducted interesting. I mean talking right. A lot of people were saying that about Eiffel Sixty five. And then what happened? Yeah because they had so many heads all just needs to stay sane. Yeah that's really I mean. Good luck aches. Let's go to the next year. Nineteen eighty eight. I think one of the great pop groups of all time. The supreme eighty nine. I've got three artists that I think fit in the pop category which is the temptations stevie wonder in Dion Dionne neon down a Gweat by Dion. His group was called the Belmont. Dion Delucci full name. The Italian very DIONNE demo chain a do. I guess you would know runaround. Sue Do then. You'd maybe no the wanderer round Marshall for some sort of Teddy bear that you draw saw. That was the doodle bear stearns and Co nasty clean. Because I'm the doodle they would because he talks about how he has shed twos of all these women's names on the commercial. These young girls writing names all over a teddy bear and then putting them in watching she comes on them new machine and come and then nineteen ninety. We really pop. We have four artists and some of them are almost like pure pop. You've got Simon and Garfunkel. You've got the four tops are also a lot of how but then these next to figure extremely pop which is the four seasons. Yes definitely sure extremely pop. You like big girls. Don't cry. It's nothing but pop. You know what other genre could that Barkley shining and also was kind of like considered like teeny bopper music which is kind of the beginning of pop in some ways I would say so like our monitoring idea of of Pas and then I would also throw in Bobby Darin. Oh yes absolutely absolutely comes from like a pop tradition almost to an extent where I mean. He is a rock and roll artists but he also owes something to like Sinatra Slash. Patrick I was thinking about taking them and then we skip a few years with not too many pop artists and then we get to ninety four. We Have Elton John and Rod Stewart. Oh Yes oh Mama and you know. Both those guys have a lot of rock in their bones but especially later in their careers. They have some shit. That is just pop. All Day. Elton John to me. I would just classify as a P- artist. Crazy this spectacle. The tone obviously has a lot of influences in his music. But Yeah I. You're saying that like there's no Elton John Songs really that you'd be like Oh. This sounds like Elvis right. I think to something about John. The Lean Tim towards pop is the fact that he does not play guitar. I think that if you were a Taurus we would be like that is a rocker right. Like I was saying Saturday night is already been fighting is like huge electric guitar distortion upfront. So he has a songs but yeah he's more in the Little Richard Mold of a rock and roll artist and then Rod Stewart later in his career. Having Shit like forever young young but again nothing. Let's go to ninety five where we thought. Yeah come with me won't you? I'm alive now to Oh no we passed that line. I think we did but anyway. Now you said ninety one last ninety four okay I was alive. You missed it. You live to see inexperience. Elton John Rod Stewart Getting inducted in the Rock Hall and you know we were there right at the Waldo for story rain so so vivid I remember. It was a cool day The parliament partly cloudy. Keep going at forty two percent. Yuck yeah well. That's Cleveland for you. It was in New York. Okay good good good and then so we go to nineteen ninety-five. Elliot's alive still and we've got Martha and the vandals dancing in the street. Absolutely without a doubt absolutely Bob and absolutely pop a top pop pop pop pop coming from Martha the Mandell but yeah I think really I and we'll we'll see this in the next year. Ninety six with the Cheryl's I feel like the groups are pop. Like if you're GONNA put them in a category whether it's the supremes the Shirelles Martha Mandela's that is pop d- absolutely I mean you can always described them as leaning toward rhythm and what I know. Is there often put in that category. It's they're often talking about highly relatable situations that's a key aspect of pop to me also to like dancing and loose creature during. Yes this feeling of what's going on. Yeah if you're talking about counterculture you're talking about the Joy Aviv of the younger generation. And they're listening doing what they're interested in and boys'll wearing about your boyfriend's and and my boyfriend's back and whatever and you're GonNa have a problem sometimes you know people tend to trivialized that and I think that people trivialize pop music. That's just like my love. Which is the most common vendela is that what is that? What does that mean? Yeah Oh it's a type of mythological alley yeah. I'm just curious like Martha the lake. I know the supremes that makes sense the Cheryl's that sounds like something I won't made up because it sounds Nice Vandellas also sounds like something that just sounds nice that they were like it stays so. Berry Gordy gave him. The name. Vandalise the popular belief that they were named after. Della reese and Van Dyke Street. Okay there we go but that's not true. Oh and Martha Reeves is because some comes up with a reason and it sounds good right. Yeah no one cares to question it because what are the stakes? Yeah it doesn't seem it. Seems like maybe Berry Gordy just Kinda came up with it because he thought it sounded denies. Yeah I was just curious. I I Had never thought about it until this moment and I thought maybe someone would have an answer. They were called the bells before they were called the Vandellas interesting. I wonder if there's anything to do with like trying to conjure vixen or yeah provocative a little bit this interesting but you know getting back to kind of what you were saying. Ellie about how it's youth culture and its counterculture. I think that speaks to the strong connection between pop music and rock and roll. Because I think that's a that's a way you can describe both those genres definitely. I think it's hard to have one really without the other. Yeah I mean I think in my experience in the modern era rock genre has been struggling so some people who are not as educated in a cool of me would maybe associate rock with not the is for sure. And but that's always been part of its history just having a little bit of a downturn lately and we talk about why the rock and Roll Hall of fame has kind of expansive definition of the term. And it's it's because rock and roll is here to stay. It will never die under their definition but if you kind of adhere to an older definition and especially if you just call it rock it gets narrow but if you are thinking of the spirit of rock and roll and you're being honest about the lineage and all those things than it does it includes nearly anything that is vibrant and youthful should be. I mean I definitely think so. I think the core of this conversation is I think the rock and Roll Hall of fame has done a really good thing by understanding and acknowledging for years that Jan Rutta is malleable and that the term rock and roll is something that needs to be flexible but still trying to stay in terms of some type of parameters here. That's it's a really hard job to do because these things change relatively quickly in terms of like the span of human history empathy for the NAM com over here. Yeah Yeah it's true it's hard to think always GonNa right but you know Y- for example you were pulling for Dave Matthews Band. And they didn't get into your on your you're upset and we're sorry and well every every hot person. I went to high school with as upset. Hey same which is weren't spanning generation of countries so much ice. That is an interesting all of them no matter where they're from really yeah. I don't watch the bachelor is always everybody's like yeah. That's a whole episode. Really country is the one. I think definitive thing that is not in the pre rock and roll era shit. No no not. Johnny cash is the only one. Yeah that makes no Dolly Really Know. Waylon want it also have their own fame their own so stay out of it? Yeah out of it saying if they put Dalian that would people would be so hyped. That would just be a very big boon. Dolly is on such an upswing right now. Nineteen ninety seven. We've got to vary pop. Acts Nine finally alive. Let them into the world sweet bouncing baby bundle of joy. Sorry twenty two year. Old Co Kristen stuttered what no no ninety seven graduated college right. I'm having fun having fun. So we have the Jackson five in one thousand nine hundred seventy usually influential in the genre of pop ups. Also we've got a little a little prince of pop on his way to becoming king. Ooh And then also and then I would put this may be in the top five most pop inductees potentially the BG's. Oh absolutely. I mean the thing is the. Bg's did have an early career before all the disco stuff was it like was it was. Yeah it I think kind of folksy and it was in the era kind of the British invasion. Even though they are Australia schedule. Took hard right crazy. Doing this can't tell when their voices are that high you can't have an Australian accent. Nfl Seto. It's impossible. I I'd love to see you specifically try. I'm trying to think sings and Oscar. But is there anyone who sings in an Australian accent during my baby like Kylie? Minogue doesn't sing an Australian accent okay. We're having fun. We sure are. I'm just trying to is there. Anybody who says Australian accent sings in an Australian seconds somewhere. Do they sing in an Australian accent? It's hard to say in an accent at all no but like British people do it and reclaimer did it. You know what I mean like. There's like tons of people that sing with British accents. Right there are. I cannot think of a ban that sings with an Australian accent. I'm willing to crowded house. I'm from New Zealand and also I don't think he sounds a little bit. I'M GONNA look into getting out. You know what I think. We're ready to out at this point. Why don't we take a break? And if we'll we'll do a little research in the break and then we come back we will finish up talking about the top forty pop inductees. Rocco. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody will help. You had a nice break. We hope over your break. You remembered the existence of the song land down under et figured out some Australian sounding. I think also. Acdc from Australia. And there's occasionally some talk singing in those songs. I think you have to be talk singing for it to be to sound us work. Does it somewhat frequently well? Let's jump back in to our pop. Inductees were getting to a very pop. Act The mamas and the Papas. The Mamas in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. We've got a lot of pop acts including Billy Joel. Well okay what to say was Billy Joel to me falls in the sort of Elton John. Kelly Joel Them Dow. No I'm not going to let you know it's it's it's a complicated mobile road to go down doing out and John Song but saying Billy Joel's name we're talking about how he follows the tributary of any acids the same first letter as billy. Yeah Joe I if you liked that part did you. Send us a tweet. Yes so billy Joel. Similar similarly very very poppy throughout his whole career. That's and then we've got some very storyteller uptown girl. Storytelling is present in a lot of genres. But I definitely find that to be something that crosses over into the pop territory when there's a full narrative straight forward narratives to pop tends to be less obtuse. Yeah I rock songs will have stories but sometimes it's confusing or understand wesern certain pop songs will just lay it all out for you and I feel like jolt does that. Someone pointed this out and I thought it was really funny. That a lot of billy Joel Songs. Start out and they tell you exactly who wear the show. We're living here in Allentown. Anthony Works at the grocery store. Just every everything. It was nine o'clock on a Saturday. I E gives you the information upfront. Joel right right right really good. It's a very good start to an Improv scene. World Establish your world who what where. And then it's all. Yes and from there on Billy. Joel was I improvise all songs based on one suggestion? Yeah Pasta Right. I've got bottle of okay bottle of red bottle of white all right ninety nine. We also get someone. I didn't include with their rock band but Paul McCartney Wonderful whose post Beatles career is extremely pot ups stop McCartney recently at Dodger Stadium. It's crazy how much the post Beatles career comes through as extremely bobble. I would say like I'm not. I wasn't as familiar with wings but wings is amazingly wings is pretty. I would. Yeah absolutely and the election of Paul McCartney Solo is more or less including ways. Because that's his solo project that for his own sake but Yeah I was definitely struck by just wings will not get. I'm so sorry no wings wings because Paul McCartney Induction Wax in one thousand nine hundred we also dusty springfield very pop. You would know her from son of a preacher man took. My goodness did not imagine a woman really really interesting. I know the name. It's just out of my purview. But she also has a lot of great songs that I would say even popular than that song might know the song wishing and hoping yes and thinking and praying popularized in my best friends. I best friends wedding renaissance for that Song Nineteen Ninety nine. We also get like a very early pop artist. Almost like a straggler from that era because the inducted all like the fifties and sixties guys but by ninety nine del Shannon was still not induct commie that del Shannon not know him about him a lot on the show and I never remember. Anything is big song is called runaway. Run RUN DOSHI. Also he had like songs you you'll hear like an fifties diner okay. You know those types of songs a song. He has called little town flirt. Don't you think those lyrics are like very like classic pop torment eater you know? Yeah it's not even up to you. She's to cute or he's cute. It's always like these overwhelming forces of they're going to give heartbreaker whatever I love it in the year. Two thousand a pop inductee who I I was on the fence about including but I think he's pretty pop even though he's also very folk. Which is James Taylor? L. Absolutely authorized? Your smiling face have to smile myself because I love gets heike mentioned until there's songs all the time namedrop in. What Song is that begin again? Never men James Taylor but by James Taylor. Also someone in this categorization is in always you know the most accurate or telling but he is nominated for the grammy male pop. Vocal back in the heyday all the time in one it. Oh wow he. He couldn't go it in the mail. Folk vocals category four. They've never had a whole category right now. These yokels yokels all right two thousand one. We get Paul Simon who absolutely poppy betty. And then we get the King of Pop Michael Jackson in two thousand one in there. You go and that's as poppy as it gets. And when others are not we've Kristin you bring this up quite a bit when it feels like pop. Artists are neglected by the hall. The reasoning behind. It doesn't have a ton of weight given that Michael Jackson was inducted. That is really interesting. I also think there's something happening here. Where the only person really that stands out to me preceding him is Elton John but definitely correct me if I've messed that up. But someone who's music is indelibly connected to their performance and their pageantry. I okay just getting up there. And playing their song that they're they're an entertainer and you can describe entertainer in a lot of ways. You know I would definitely describe Paul McCartney's entertainer of Paul McCartney isn't for his weird guesses or whatever or is gloves. Go do the splits. I think there's a particular aspect of both performing your music and putting on full entry. Yeah dancing choreography costumes. What you're getting is beyond just the music creating a world creating an iconic sort of maybe brand persona. Yeah and I'm looking back and there are a few where you can. It's not to that extent but like you think of the supremes and you think of the visual that was presented and they're standing in a very specific way and their hair is a very specific. Yeah you could definitely argue. That motown sort of began that idea. Because even with the Jackson five specific about your image and presentation honing it in and and being sharp and being presentable and having a look. And that's that's been going around here. I will also say though. The Elvis really follows follows quite squarely into that category as well. I mean thank God. He doesn't fit the rules rules. I set for which increases the engagement on this so that people can be like. Hey I disagree Catholic. Sometimes I just put type of my tweets so that my engagement goes up and cools cool marketing tech me. It's never actually intentional. Say Two thousand and two. We've got some. We've to kind of unsung heroes. I is Gene Pitney. He was like a teen idol but he was also very good songwriter. He wrote. He's a rebel. He has some really good pop songs for himself. He has a really good song called. It hurts to be in love gene. Pitney I don't think he really. I mean it. This was late. This was two thousand two and this is an artist from the sixties and so it was nice for him to get his deal and I also think a little bit of it had to do with the fact that he was also a talented songwriter as well and he and he was voted in. He didn't have to get interest in or anything like that but he was on the ballot eight times. Oh yeah so I mean since the very beginning is he part of that seven-time club or whatever they were not consecutive. Yeah the Duane Eddy rule And then also that. You're was Brenda Lee. Kenya was the top selling pop artists or just female artists of the sixties. She's definitely fits that mold that we're seeing seeing individual and groups from the fifties sixties. These kind of really relatable really cute full-on poppy as hell. Both individuals and groups are getting put into the rock call. That seems to be like a total blueprint going forward seventies pop. You would never what. Bg's and BG's. Michael Jackson was technically around Jackson. Five attack you know. Billy Joel was around James Taylor Elton. John Obviously was a big part of the. Ssd's okay all right then. Let's go to two thousand three where we've got. I mean two thousand three was like a PUNK YEAR. That was the clash. And the police and Elvis Costello but also in like ACDC but also that year was the righteous brothers. I do not know who that is. Definitely know the registration is would also adopt. You would know. Yeah a lot of lot of eighties movies. Well Bill Medley from the righteous brothers sings. I've had I've had the time in my life. Rory dancing okay and that song is constructed almost to sound like a little bit. Like a classic. Yes well actually just listened to the that movie show on. Netflix are watched it about dirty dancing and they talked about how they had to get this type of Song Yeah it was very much in the mold of classic righteous brothers and they got bill medley. Who Kind of looks like Will Ferrell Two inductees dis? You looks a lot like the drummer from the Chili peppers right. Two thousand four we've got prints transcends genre really be that's what makes them? Pop is the fact that he cannot be contained. He issues a lot of things that I would traditionally consider pop but then he also redefined it. He's hoping he's cutting. You could let me count the ways. Yeah he's interesting. It's almost like he's not a great example of what the hall will do going forward because he is at everything and and new all all at the same time singular singular but also has all these elements of other things. Yeah but again another an entertainer someone on a full show. A spectacle owns basically a color symbol. Yeah strong if you all the city of Minneapolis to super strong in two thousand seven we get the last straggler girl group which is the rents we know how Annette Scott Its name because of Ronnie Spector Primal Phil Johnson. Reginald really police because actually Ronald McDonald put them together but together for McDonald's campaign. They were called the run. Nazi were originally backing up a soul singing Ronald McDonald. Elliot's looking at your legs. I thought it was Ronald Reagan. Two thousand eight again. This is like a top top five most pop Madonna Alvin. Thought you were going to say when you said that. I'm like Madonna is have done in the Rock Hall. She got in as soon as she was eligible. Yes that's I mean. I had to be by that. You'd be surprised Whitney. I would say not had to be inducted first year but that how soon she's been inducted as shocking to me. I want to know what was happening in that year that that would be the move because it is very surprising to me that they wouldn't make Madonna. Wait to know what Madonna pop a few things. Okay I think I have an answer to it. Which is that he Madonna was discovered by a man named Seymour Stein who has been on our podcast twice on the podcast founders south. He's maybe not a founder but he is extremely influential was the president of the Rock Hall and I think at this time was he was running the nominating committee. He was just a major player and she is one of his most important signings. Wow without question. He agitated over seventy an influence of politics in the Rock Hall for sure I would say that is it. Plus the fact that she wait she's undeniable. She's undeniable and white right there. It is up there it is. I mean that's like Genera. The Rock Hall is valuable but this was one case where they did the right thing. But Donna share share is not the Rock Hall. No she talked about it on that one episode with all that shocking to me. Yeah especially because she has the history that goes back into the sixties that you think would appeal rain. The Rock Hall set nominated. She's never end. Share like tragic history there but she continues making incredible record. She has had huge hits and a Lotta decades huge hits and a lot of decades so she is very high on twitter She continues to be in the cultural conversation and I think she has definite influence. I mean one of the first artists to ever fully utilize auto tune. If for better for worse better I think I ought to and I think is great when used correctly and I think a lot of the dislike of attitude has a lot to do with just people will not change and thinking. Oh I know what talent is and talent to me. Is the specific vocal skill but auto tune really evens it out with soundcloud bedroom producing all that kind of stuff that comes into play but anyway back to share that is shocking to me. And there's someone who has absolute spectacle fashion icon puts on a show is fully. Yeah I don't know I think share should get in. I think Cher was on the ballot. She immediately I. It's hard to say 'cause all those guys at that meeting when we had jaundiced Seymour Stein at Al And they were all like. Oh Yeah for sure share. Yes Pat Benetton. No I remember not ever forget. That's weird no yeah. It was a wild one in two thousand ten. Maybe the most I mean. Madonna's up there with pop inductees this. This might be the top one which was Abba. Yeah yes you're going to put Abbott and enough push air into. I'm just saying like it to be like wow shares to disco or whatever you know. Bg's and Abba in. I guess I don't want to share. No I'm not anti share but man fucking man did Abba have so many hits I know Sheridan but like Aba. I mean it's just wall to wall. You tied their hits to my angles and I'm not saying in a metaphorical sense. I'm saying like literally just the records. Whatever the weight of that is not heavy right if you tied those in equal measure to my left and right angles and dropped me in Echo Park Lake. I would die there because they have so many painting a picture but she got there and I think there's probably time there's something also that there's a little bit of more credibility with the fact that Abba was like pretty much fully in house. Wrote their own stuff produced their own stuff. Like in. Who's to say whether or not that matters but I think that does hold some weight. I've always thought it's cooler. It is cooler but there are. Elvis did not ownership history on both on the line. And if you're really really good at what you do doesn't matter. Let's go to two thousand eleven where we've got some pretty poppy artists. We've got darling love. We've also got neil diamond. Neil diamond is in the hall. Yeah that is wild. You know that you get watch induction and we talked about was funny about his induction was he was like yeah that pay my grandkids dental out here people. That's so he was just like got a rambling. Who inducted him? Do member Paul Simon. Yeah and he made. He made a point he was like. I think it's taken so long for Neil Diamond to get in the Rock Hall because he did that. Song with Barbara streisand. Oh really yeah and then when Neil got up he's like Barbara. What are you talking about? Do it again kick me out. I mean that's honestly. Neal is very popular but he is very rocky and he is pop. Rock legal birth name family name is diamond. Had to assume that was a stage. Stage Nano Cherry. Cherry is one of my all time. Good mood songs in the whole world. You put that one on honey. I can't feel bad. It's real hard to feel bad when that song is on. That's the power twenty twelve. We've got kind of a fringe pop artists. But someone who I would say is part of a pop tradition Lauren Era Roque. Pop is sometimes the term used. But you think about where she fits into. She's a singer songwriter. But she is not folk at all now and I think she wrote a lot of songs that a lot of pop groups covered whether Or artists whether it was Barbara streisand or three dog night. And you think about Bette Midler inducted her and Sarah Barilla's did the AH tribute performance. I think that speaks to like kind of her. Her legacy of pop in you know it also reminds me once again that carole king should be in as a performer. It reminds me certain most upsetting way. I'm just so bad. I saw that. Yeah she's inducted as a songwriter. In so many of the artists that we've gone through have had hits with Carole King enraging twenty thirteen super. Poppy Artists Donna. Summer Halley absolutely very disco. But also I mean you think a song like bad girls girls beep beep. That is a that is a joke. We've got some more pop coming your way in two thousand fourteen all right next up. We got some more hot pop coming your way. And they're not against -aduated from high school. They're not against the rules because they're not a rock band but they're close call notes. Oh definitely very absolutely private is really a lot of it is you mentioned the idea of a man eater before they have a song called man eater album but they also in the category of blue eyed soul. But you know they are just as much of a pop man. Eater would be my walk on. Song played in that Melby. Now we're getting. We're getting close to the current year. Two Thousand Nineteen. We had some pop artist. Stevie Nicks I think is is very pop. And if you're going to differentiate between her solo career and fleetwood MAC which I think fleetwood MAC is very pompey but again the rules stevie nicks her solo. Output was much popular. If you were to stand back and have a look at her. Hits outside of Fleetwood Mac you would see their recommend us and then also what had been a huge stuff for longtime and a great pop artist. Jeff Oh congrats to Janet Janet. Jj she was someone and she had been on the ballot Janet. Yeah and it was. It was very well timed her addiction. Just like performance super bowl last year. Yep and I was GONNA say because it came out that what Les Moonves got sued then all that stuff came out about how he tried to keep her down yet. Thickly ruin her life sabotage or justice for Janet and she got the Rock Hall that year on that ruled and glad that brings us to twenty twenty when Houston. Let's hear it. I know Earth would. There's so many other side but that is like could've said that you get so emotional cheese baby tonight. Yeah but for some reason you you went direction. Yeah Whitney and she'd been eligible for like ten years and it felt like the thing that was keeping her out was that she was like two POB. But then you do you think. That's what was keeping her out. We've gone through this entire list. And she has such a specific clear history of so many artists that she similar to So it's almost like we've made a case here tonight about our girl Whitney. Is that if you're so against pop you've gotta look at the history of the hall and the inductees that have been pop and it fits right in and you and you shouldn't if you if you feel uneasy about it then you have problems with the hall pretty much going back to the beginning and also I say part of the thing about fame is popularity. Yes fame and buy another word. What smells sweet. By the very nature of being nearly every artist in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Made Popular Music. Exactly you know I mean. I think what you've laid out here is basically a ironclad argument for why it is ridiculous that people push back against artists that are considered traditionally up. You hear ironclad on my opinion. Obviously I'm biased or anything. I'm ducting pop artists. But on the whole if you're going to acknowledge it all that rock and roll is not rigid and in terms of how the hall is processing kind of artists that there were warding. You have to open it up to the things because they're indelibly connected you could. I would call the rock and Roll Hall of fame because it is all about lasting impact like cultural influence all these types of things to try and snuff out pop. Artists is like just GonNa make no sense zero sentence against the very mission seemingly. And you're GONNA hit a dry spell. You're going to run out of what you consider as a purist as a raucous as Iraq purist and go forward what they're going to do with as the genre has changed and as the most successful modern artists are leaning further and further away from traditional rock and. I'm not saying that that's all the way gone or anything like that. We've talked a little bit the last time I came on. But what they're going to do with major pop artists in the Madonna Mold. Because if you're looking at Madonna you're going to look at all of those kind of epoch. A level particularly female popstars that reinvent themselves to have long careers. Taylor swift going to look at people like John say and so on lots of artists. Come up now and I'm just wondering how they're gonNA handle that. And I think I think Whitney is a major checkpoint on the way to those artists yeah indicating that it's okay to go down that road. Yeah because especially bring up beyond say it's like if you want to induct beyond just crazy to think. Yeah well you couldn't do that without inducting Whitney. Yeah absolutely Houston. We have liftoff. Classic saying is people who don't want to induct beyond say are going to have a problem perfectly perfectly done Ellie Ellie. Thank you so much for joining us here tonight. And thank you for teaching me so much and obviously more of a modern pop stand but like learning a lot more about this particular lineage. Which of course has its rules. Not Everything 'cause like. How many are we going to talk about? I was like eight. We really got through it. I I love the flexibility of genre and I think that if the rock hall is going to continue to have longevity they have to continue being freaky daycare with the flexibility of how they're defining that and they already have your. I gotta get Freaky Alley. Where can we find you online? Anything you WANNA plug you right for a show. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Rick Krim - Current Nominating Committee Member

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Rick Krim - Current Nominating Committee Member

"Hi everybody welcome. Who Cares about the Rock Hall? A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Your host joke was Allah. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I think that will suit me for this episode with me as always as someone who doesn't really care too much but to her dismay she has absorbed through my toasts through halladay myself have divided and now. I Care a little bit more about their call. It's kristen shuttered. Hello Kherson Hello. Hi Special episode. I know I can't believe a very special episode. We have a former MTV and vh one executive with us but most importantly for this podcast a current member of the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee and someone who also helps to produce the induction ceremony. Rick Hi Rick. Thanks for having me. Thanks for the INTRO. Oh yeah absolutely. Thank you so much for being here and talking to us. Current NAM COM member Is this a first? Second Second Seymour's technically. He's on the bar. Their Seymour Stein has not only. He's on the committee but he has been. He's a legend right. Yeah still is is he in. He's so well Rick. Let's get in getting it. I don't think you know I mean Landau got in this year so maybe members will eventually get something else on his resume. I think helped with that as well. That guy well sort of boss Rick. Let's just kind of start off. Let's talk about your background before you got involved with a rock and roll hall of fame just kind of how you got started in the music industry and kind of what you are known for. I got started. I got started at MTV back in the early days of MTV. I got started because I was a kid who grew up in central Pennsylvania Always wanted to get the music. Business had no idea how to get in the music business and But I was also good with numbers so I became a I went to college as an accounting major and I went to college. Speaking of Jon Landau. I went to the college. I went to Bucknell University which is about thirty minutes from where I grew up. I I went there because I saw for springsteen there when I was fifteen on the born to run tour. Okay change my life. And you're like oh he's GonNa go to college. They're GONNA do that guy sex so I didn't you know the famous Landau Line. I've seen the future rock and roll. And His name is Bruce Springsteen. I've seen my future and it's gotta be gotta do something really was a life changing experience for me. But I didn't know anybody. I got a job at price. Waterhouse IN PHILADELPHIA. Out of college as a first year staff auditor. Which is about as low as you could possibly get on the totem pole. My my last job at price. Waterhouse was literally counting nuts and bolts at a manufacturing plant in Altoona Pennsylvania. Wow incredible lives I went to my best friend's wedding and May of nineteen eighty two ran into a woman from my hometown. Who hadn't seen in years who wasn't even invited to the wedding but crashed and said she was working because she was working at MTV to the assistant to the head of the head of programming. And I I believe that conversation went. Mtv like the about nine months into MTV and I was living in South Jersey. We had we had it on our systems actually had MTV Because when I'm to be launched most of America didn't have it but I was obsessed with like anybody else was I. I'm sure I said something along the lines. How do I like? How do I get a job there? How do I get in there? And she's like well. I think my boss is looking for a budget guy or something to that effect. So she got me. She got me an interview. Thank you Joan Myers and I went up for the interview with. Less garland the legendary One of the first exects their head of programming a legend miss all show business was in his was using out of his skin. He was that kind of guy and I think the interview went. Something like Bud Meyers thinks. You're cool let's do this. Hey that's a yes. So I told my parents I was quitting. The prestigious firmer pricewaterhouse and their dreams of seeing me on carrying the suitcase on the Oscars were shot. You hate to see that when when your child tells you said. I'm going to go work at this new video music channel in New York City what Yeah so I started there actually started at MTV on the the day after the first birthday of MTV okay August Second Nineteen eighty-two as business manager MTV as a twenty two years old and the time there's one hundred people work there so it was able to stick my nose in all business there when artists came up at music meetings. Anything they let me let the finance guy. 'cause I was finding I was wide eyed and young so after badgering them for a couple of years and finally they let me shed my suit and they moved into a music. Talent area about three about nineteen eighty-five where I was in charge of. They had all the people. There were the roles. Were to The people in the town but the record companies between them. You're the liaison. I was the Indy Label Guy before before any labels were indie label a big turn any labor for basic like. You can't get anywhere else. So we'd better go to an indie label. So the first two videos actually played on MTV. Where the smithereens blood and roses clash and they might be giants. Put your hand inside the puppet head. I had a feeling it was going to be. They might be sadly so. Those are my two that I made my mark on and then ultimately moved up through the ranks. There stayed there till nineteen ninety-four so I went through the hair band era which was a lot of fun. I went through the GRUNGE era which is a lot of fun and right about the time with the real world was starting to hit. And after twelve years of kind of nonstop action I needed a little breather and saw the music wasn't gonNA become if it wasn't going to be no twenty-four music. It wasn't a twenty four video channel by that point game shows other things but you know it was changing which which happens and then ended up going to work at a Music Publishing Company which I knew nothing about music publishing thought it was sheet music but I always wanted to get involved in the in. Our side signed signed bands. So I've gotten I worked there for six years and ironically replaced. I took that job replacing John Sykes who was at MTV who is the new now the current it all talk all ties back in. Is The current chair of the Rock Hall. John is the guy who moved me out of the accounting area into the music talent area and then replaced him Eddie Music Publishing. When he went to go left there to become president of vh one and then six years later he brought me back to vh one to be head of music in two thousand one to two thousand fourteen and now full circle and kind of working for him again. Yeah look at that So yeah stated. Vh1 for thirteen years. I was head of music at a channel that was very much like the old. Mtv and then reached a time in two thousand fourteen head of music at the channel. That's not replaying any music so I'm not sure this has a much more long term Benefit so I made a move took a slight detour to record company which I never done to check the. I wanted to check that box and box checked. I like to call my internship but on the label side and then got my boss. Itt. Emi Publishing Mardi Bandera is one of the Kings of music publishing. He was now running Sony Atv Music Publishing and he brought me back there at which Bakshi moved me from New York la something. I swore. I'd never do it right very happy. I did when did you move here than those just hours ago. Two Thousand Fifteen thought. It'd be a Lifetime New Yorker never had any interest in move out here now. I have no interest in moving like. Oh this is really all that honestly and then stayed there 'til Mardi left Mardi left about a year ago. Sony look at that is my opportunity to kind of do something never had the balls to do which was. Kinda do my own thing. Take advantage of all the relationships and all the years in the business and pretty diverse resume and try to do my own thing. So that's what I'm doing. That's why I can come out here. Time exactly perfect. Yeah so you've put in the time in the music industry having dealt with musicians and bands and that I assume what makes you qualified to be a part of the nominating committee? I'm it's Yeah I mean the Nice thing about MTV H. One was we were. We always read ourselves as Switzerland and away because we didn't have anti with very few exceptions. We didn't have adversary relationships with anybody. we were there to help you know record. Companies fight with artists and managers fight with their. You know there's always those kind of strains on the relationship we were just there to see what we can do to help people We broke a lot both channels. We broke a lot of artists and labels loved us and we developed greatly ships with artists and managers some utilizing those now and happily Most of them remember. So you would have been at MTV when the Rock Hall started. Yes it is that something you have any memories of Just I went to some extent I got to go to some of the early shows the Waldorf. Yeah which was a you know as a as a fan of music it was Obviously great in the Waldorf has a completely different. There's good and bad about the fact that it's now in a big venue produce and it's produced for television although we've conscious of making it a great event for the people to as well right but Yeah it was. It was just different. I mean the early days there was no TV so it was just loose and kind of mass. But in yeah exactly and you felt really Wrote privilege to be in this bunch of guys in Tuxes and packed into tables as tightly as you could be packed in and there's room with these icons that you've grown up with standing in front of you which was for me. Pretty Amazing. I mean there's I'm sure artists they never got to see before that I would never obscene. If it hadn't been for going so I just you know I was happy that the companies I worked at would buy tables Yeah we're trying to get our company to buy us a table that we're company. I two I can I can. I can point in their direction. When you're when you're ready and then it'd be h one. There was a period. There were actually aired the show. So that's that's where I really got more involved with the production itself So that would that that would have predated your involvement in the nominee correct. Because I think that I'm trying to remember the nominee committee from what I understand you. You tell me in twenty twenty or maybe two thousand nine. Okay I've been two thousand nine. Forty two thousand ten ceremony. Yes yes that would have been it because the two thousand nine nom. The nominating meetings happen in the fall and the ceremony happened writes the following spring so it would have been for the two thousand nine nominated meeting but I don't recall the years of VH1 had this show via had lost the show by then Lakers minute. It was at fused around then Brian. Ten of as an eleven and then two dozen twelve was the first. Hbo Why got when VH1 had it. I would be involved in the whole process of helping to put the show together with the production team and then when vh. One loss. That I did that George. Costanza thing where he got. He just decided ski. Come into work. Even though he didn't have a job I just stay. I just kept working on. It didn't really bother telling anybody I just stayed on it even when I tell their networks. We're you voter at that point. Like part of a larger voting body is somewhat of a path of being a voter I. I'm pretty sure I was. I don't remember exactly what I became voter but probably wouldn't start working on the show because obviously there's exponentially more voters than there are members of the right. I mean committee. Do you think it was your involvement with the production of the live. Show that then got you into the nominating committee Not necessarily I just I lobbied for it. Oh did you. Also we call it. The NAM NAM insider term we call the Non Com. Something that I had a lot of passion for and Okay did you lobby with like Joe Perez or Jon? Landau or I lobbied. Just me with working. Those relationships at the network out there was value. I could add to the nominee committee. I felt there was maybe some genres music that we're not being fully represented that. I was personally passionate about what? What's your genre of choice? Or what did you feel under-represented prog rock all Euler rummy? I have no guilty pleasure because I feel guilty about nothing. Yes you know. I'm a card carrying member and they all know it did rush get in two thousand thirteen team. So he's he gets on and we start. Start seeing results. I mean the the frontier that you were on the nominating committee. Genesis got in. And there's another another boy. I wonder if that's yeah I again. So there was that but also the hard rock and specifically metal was underrepresented metal particular. By the way I still feel I still feel that way because if you wanna I mean a lot of people blur the lines between what's met on. What's hard rock if you really WANNA talk metal? Bands in metallica Black Sabbath. Yeah absolutely and there's other very worthy artists. That are not in yet. That hopefully will get in. Yeah we've had some passionate metal advocates on the show recently because we covered the ballot this year artists by artists would bring in fans and advocates for each artist and hard rock heavy ballot. It was it was. Would you would you point to any of the artists on this year's ballot that you were particularly excited or were advocating for? Yeah okay all right let me tell you. I think we'd be people say who they like. Have LOBBIED FOR I. I've been a big supporter. Judas Priest Feel like there's a had supported them the past and supported them again. It feels like if there's going to be the next heavy metal index. Yeah there's always priest made in both of which are extremely irving eight and hasn't made the ballot yet but you know th the band's as far as all the criteria that people look at I think Judas priest checks all those boxes So great to get him on the ballot again. I wish they had Made the cut but hopefully I think some people are surprised and saddened that. They have and chat to keep trying. I mean some of these things. How many natives the second twice okay? And when was the first time to get to two years ago? Listen I've I went through it at a different with like yes. There was another one that I was a champion of and but it took. You may know more than I do. How many times? They were on the ballot but actually took at least three or four times. And you know just you can't give you can't say I didn't get in a lot I'm gonNA move onto something else right because you don't really know what is keeping them out if it's particular competition ballot or for do you never know something in the air honestly in just kind of the. Zeitgeist that can you see that? Make a documentary about them and then there you go. That's the well it was getting. It's amazing there's a bunch of acts to over the years that made the ballot and then they get on the ballot and they zoom right in You know that an F. nominated it's in the DOOBIE brothers. Yeah this year there and this is their first nominee. I you know I had supported them in the past because I felt they were of always felt. They were really deserving and again I I kind of had the instinct that if they get on the ballot they're going to do really well. Saint Louis Apple Chicago. Same thing happened with E. Elo same thing happens Steve Miller. Yeah more mainstream kyw's staples but at hadn't jeep trail. They all that year particular was very heavy because it was cheap trick Chicago. Steve Miller offers him on the ballot all gut in immediately which is interesting because we often talk about. How like this year? There were so many hard rock acts nominated and so that might have split the vote in a way like everyone couldn't just rally behind you. Pres behind motor motor head or whatever people were kind of splitting up and look at it. I've heard that argument. I've used that argument. I think the The other case. If you're a hard rock you could just vote for all them too. Yeah right but as when you're voting as you know people vote for five five artists so act day that gets a lot of votes and the other for acts that you're kind of in the hunt for getting those votes as well there's no movement you have to do better than the others so voting for one. It's different when you've only for five. Yeah it's nice when there's just one lane you know that if the hard rock act gets in it's GonNa be the one that's on the ballot or you know the more we have any proof it's announced classic rock is the One Genre that doesn't apply to more mainstream radio radio radio friendly recognition. They're more mass appeal I think most of the people in the committee pry grew up with them and all those actually just talked about have tons of songs that people love and yeah I think it also kind of the the stereotype of what we think of as quote unquote rock and roll is. We're thinking often of classic rock radio and I think that so people are like yeah rock and roll man these bands reaction this year that I got a lot was. I can't believe they're already in. Yeah Yeah because you would think face my mom. We're waiting for their fiftieth anniversary tour. I mean this was strategy. Twenty five years ago. He said you know they're going to Tori fifty years in McDonald. Let's wait until then. Let's put it on the back burner telling them to be in their seventies but there. I'm excited they're in and they're very excited to be in. Yeah it seems like a nice thing for them in a lot of bands. I don't know if they are one specifically but it's funny to me every ban. That isn't in believes. There is a conspiracy theory around them. Not Getting in and then they all eventually get in any way right and there is none. That's one thing I can tell you that there is no conspiracy theories spiracy theories about not getting it like it is truly every classic rock band where it. Jobe had one was like well. We're not want yawn winners boys so and they even took stuff out of the museum they were. They were pissed off by the way. Nobody embraced it more when John got in nobody he and he which was great like he like so embraced the moment and brought people out like he really made it special Which is what we love everybody to Trent Reznor this year Trenton has a. I mean he's started doing music in Cleveland and also he is a convert recent convert from last year. Because as we know he he was someone who was like. I don't give a shit. Who Cares we find that a lot of people have that attitude but even the UK axe especially the rock hall is an as prevalent in predominant over in the UK as it is here but I think last year I mean there was five. There was no American British fans women's female solo accidents and five British. And I actually table where I was the last year show. We were next to the table. That had Trent. And Ed added Phil from radiohead and a huge radiohead fan. And obviously we would have loved the whole. Bantu have been there the year before they were a little dismissive of it already had a date book. They booked US South American year. This year. This the vibe was more respectful but still not sure they quite got it. Well Yeah but I sat. Those guys stayed the whole show. I can kind of. We'll see I was watching them watching the show and you could tell that they got it when they got up on stage and gave speech. I think they didn't know they didn't know really what it was all about. Actually got there. I mean I've had some other artists say well you know we do award shows well. It's not a little different. Yeah it's a lot different it's not the AMA's yeah no disrespect. Are you involved at all with trying to get the artists to come out like if there's resistance we all are? Has Anybody that has a relationship. I mean there has listen every year it's different. There's certainly cases there's famous cases artists didn't come to their own inductions. Of course you know I think for the most part I think but this year certainly we're expecting all the other living inductees to be there which isn't many three three six. Six part of it is even. If you don't believe in the fans want you to the that's part of the pitch is you know fans really want you there like this is something to yeah. Yeah whether they decide to perform or not. We always super for people to perform We've had artists that haven't performed that came and then regretted it afterwards again. I think it's more just. They didn't really realize what it was. I think Joe's favorite part of last year's ceremony was radiohead realizing that it was a big deal He may have shed a tear When it happened but like that because that's his whole pitch for the Rock Hall in general is like you don't realize what it means like right. Yeah if you know anything about it it it goes against. I think the general idea the general perception right. It is a and we're trying to you know we're doing everything can to try to change that. Yeah good so. This year's ceremony is going to be potentially a little different right. Well it's different in the sense it's live right taking a four plus our show turning it into a three hour show. Yeah how you GonNa do that. Talk Real fast real fast. I actually have a question about last year ceremony. Something that we noticed was that it seemed like the speeches were shorter and that the band got to play longer or like if you last year spoke last year with the exception of design bs one person really spoke for each Bryan Ferry Roxy Music Robert Smith for the Cure Joe spoke for DEF Leppard Solo Act. Yeah you know that's something. There was a conscious effort to try to make that work now. In some cases there isn't it all three of those cases particularly with the cure and I think roxy music it was Obvi- those were the DEF Leppard is definitely more of these guys have been together for a long time but that was that was their decision. They have certain a lot a lot at amount of time and I think they made the decision to have one person speak and use that time. Then try to divvy it up and the other guys you know. It's it's all case by case other guys were okay with not speaking They usually joe to be. The Guy chose the front man of the spokesperson. So but there's going to be there certainly other cases where I mean. There's an example where you where everybody wants. Roger Com Blonston. They both been in the band since nineteen sixty four and still active so I think they each one of their their opportunity to speak so it varies I think in the you know the same thing with the live show. You know they'll be. They'll have a a window of time that they have that we hope they will adhere to You know it's it's live so you never know what's going to happen. A working theory was that you know bands could choose whether or not like how to use their a lot of time versus if they wanted to play for longer and speak for shorter or is there like you know everybody gets a half an hour. Everybody gets twenty minutes or it. All varies and every year is different than how many are gonna the ratio between like a full band or a single person or a lot of a living or deceased so every year is is different. I mean it's just the fact that it's live the share. It's it's exciting. It's a little daunting as the word. I'm I'm kind of glad we're trying to get into fresh in it for try some new things. Yeah are you going to try to produce it? Like a typical live award. Show like the grammys or the Oscars or something. I don't know I don't think listen. It isn't a typical award show or something so glad you keep it. What what I love about that show is how unique it is and how special it isn't it doesn't isn't we don't it's untoward show. Thank God you know and I to the to the point of some of these actors. Say We don't do award shows. Watch fine this is not an award show. This is celebration right on a recognition of long career of impacting. The world was your amazing music. Yeah I've described it before as a a word show where every word is a lifetime achievement. Right which a much better sounding awards you know or you know. Much more exciting Edgy Kennedy Center honors or something that you know those things that it's not just somebody decided. Hey We should give this guy award to get into our show. Yeah exactly this is something that has definitely earned and meaningful. Yeah it's also interesting because you can cut so much when you're doing it like we impose you can cut so if someone goes over someone makes you a bunch of off color calm and it is h. Get Away with some things but yeah I listen. We're going to have to be depending on people to not boring but you know we'll be very clear about what the what the guidelines are time constraints and we'll hope for the best you know part of the beauty of live. Tv is you never know what's going to happen and will be Will be prepared okay. We have production team knows how to do this stuff really really really well so I'm glad that you said that. The core of the show will remain like that. You won't try to turn it into something else. Which I think is good because there's a lot of value to I think what the induction ceremonies do given that. It's a live event that will have to be. Seamless is the idea of like a host to cover up. Those seems or transitions. Something you guys are considering. I don't know if that's necessary to throw his head in the rain album my schedule. I think there's other ways to do that. I mean they've done the host Louis Oscars and stuff you know. Yes so I think you can do it without never had a host as far as I can remember that women's voice the Voice of guys. She's I love her voice. Okay so there's that was a rumor. I had heard that that maybe a host was a potential option. I would advocate. You probably. Don't need it. There's plenty of things you can do to fill to fill those the transitions and I mean the packages the little documentary things. Yup those are to me one of the most fun parts about the serum. Absolutely so my see one. I could not give a shit about a band and then I watched one and I'm like wow. They really have released so much like convince me really I have. It's very sad for me. Why don't we take a little bit of a break and then we come back. We'll get more of an nitty gritty of Rick Crimson with the inductions. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. We hope you had a nice break. We hope over your break you clarified. What What is really secret? What is secret? What is not secret? Okay so let's get into the nitty gritty of the ceremonies. And we can. I know there are things that you can't discuss about possible ceremonies coming up. We talk about it in the Lens of ceremonies past. What is your title actually? We'll find the show. Yeah like at the end of what roles. What what's your team. Shoot sizing producer now. It's more of a consulting more of a consulting role Actually don't remember the exact there is. There is one credit page that had several of us that are working on the show on it. Yeah I don't remember the exact term I don't get hung up on Titus John Award Show. We don't get hung up on titles. Would you say that your role is to kind of pitch in and help in that kind of aspect or are there certain things that they rely on you to take care of every year yet varies and we have a small team? You know really a core team of maybe four or five people. A lot of it is. Who's got the relationship you know. I have a lot of those relationships. So it's talking to one of the working with one of the inductees to try to get them talk about song selection the other things. I can help with that. If it's you know trying to find the right person to induct them if it's trying to find a person to tribute You know a little more of a booking function. Yeah I do a lot of that again based on those relationships but a lot of times. It's like who's got the best relationship. Yeah they'll be the point person and I work closely with the whoever's produced the producer director of the show last ever since I've been doing this has been someone I've known it's been a couple of different people but it's people that I have no. They've actually both the person who's doing it this year and the person who did it for the last five years and people I worked with at both MTV and vh one is Joel. Gallen and Alex yes. Okay is a gallon Dune again? This year Joel is producing again this year. Alex the last five joe did like seventeen years before that. So these are guys I mean. I talked to the both my way over here today. Yeah so it's still very close. You know with Joel. I have been talking to. We talked daily and brainstorm and this great text on text on weekends. And it's just a constant convert. You know there's a constant conversation going on. Tell speaking of Song Selection Guehenno Ban like so like Roxy Music for example last year. You know they opened with what in every? Homa hardaway dream home hard. Hit An interesting mix of actually fan. I thought was pretty cool. That they went. They went a little deep. Did a medley. And the that was that was that was their call. No push from the production team of these are the songs I mean. Obviously you want to courage people to do the songs that the audience is. GonNa WanNA got. I want to hear but within a you know if you have a certain timeframe that you have to work with you know. Somebody wants to do to very long songs or five songs into a madly. It's it's it's a mutual discussion but we at the end of the day we want. We don't dictate to the artist. You have to do these three songs or you're not doing the show. There's there is none of that okay. I know it's a. It's a collaborative effort that usually yields positive results. Did that get cut cut cut from the roxy. You know I think they I mean because Roxie ended up playing. There was a medley with three songs and then they did did five total right. So there's those three songs which was avalon more than this and love is drug and then they played a number of heart ache and then they played editions of you out of the blue. Nothing will be cut this year. That's what it's GONNA be so different cousin so you know. Let's say a band plays five songs like normally in the you know five hour ceremony. They're going to cut it down to three so that yeah so I think you'll still get the same amount on the television show won't be cut. And obviously this'll be rehearsed and we'll know barring Elvis Costello and switching switching a song at the last. I don't think that's going to happen. Started a song. Yeah I think he was playing less than zero something that he started playing radio radius. Sit Stop Stop. Stop. I can't do this great. It's great great moment classic. Tv was banned from SNL back. Twenty years later. Yeah okay. So That's interesting in so you have a little bit of involvement also on in terms of who gives the speech who in ducts them again. It's up there all group. These are all group. The nobody's making individual decisions. Can Room discusses this stuff work where it's a handful of people. I'm assuming that's you Joe Perez men is Landau involved in the ceremony itself. Get you know I know Robbie Robertson name up there but it's unclear to me how involved he is. He has been in the past actually which was throw for me because as a big fan I got. I got to work on a show with Robbie Robertson every year which was great and You know we develop a nice relationship. Should see his documentary by the way which I saw a couple of weeks ago with a band. There's a document about robbing the band. That is pretty fantastic. I love that. It's a great film. Just a little plug. We'll obviously okay. So yeah there's kind of a small selection of you guys who were working together to all these things happen. In the way I mean. The producer director is ultimately responsible for the show itself. But we all contribute. We had hoped last year. That the David Byrne inducting radiohead might give them a little bit more reluctant members radio so did way yes way. Listen every effort was made to try to get them all there even if I kind of assumed even though I would have loved for them to play I kind of assumed play them. Performing was probably a long shot but was hoping we wouldn't get get them all there and here's a question given that going into everyone kind of knew that they weren't gonNA have to be. They don't know we certainly try. Effort lot of efforts were made to try to get last year. There were seven inductees and I was curious. If the likelihood of radiohead not performing had something to do with the larger than normal class okay and then I mean one of the more interesting and kind of unique aspects of the hall. Are these jams that they do at the end where the early days word literally jams ca? You play the piece for jam the other day from waldorf-astoria jam. Yeah I mean like in those first five years or so where. It's almost literally one hundred people on stage and Paul. Shaffer is running around with a Keytar wasn't a televised show and it could be a lot of people it was it was looser. There's good and bad about that. You know yeah it's a it's certainly a thing to behold yes watching those old jams. But I've got to imagine that along with the other aspects of the ceremony is something you guys are thinking about possibilities with. Yeah we always do always do it. Depends who the inductees are. They suited for that kind of thing. Who would be the right band like last year? It's not white deaf leopard closed but leopard made a lot of sense to close because they're Big Arena rock band and they've big songs but we figured they you know they did all the young dudes right at the very end and that seem. It wasn't your typical jam. A few other people joined in we invite. Everybody invited to join ops guys from this little Stephen Think Film Anza Narrows Everybody's invited we realized. It's not for everybody. It's not tell people just are not going to be comfortable coming to Janet was going to do it But we ask everybody to do it. And they're more than welcome to but it depends. You have to have the right act to do that with Yeah right and then there is there a little bit of just in terms of logistics. The headliner is kind of the foundation of the JAM group already up just from a strictly production and logistics standpoint to at the end of a long night. If then you have to do another change over to another ban. You're GONNA you know you risk losing people. So that's why it's it just makes sense to do it that way. But how involved are you with their speeches both the inductors and the inductees me personally not not as much. I mean we have a creative team. That's something the producer director will get involved in that We the speeches are usually on teleprompter for them so that we do see them in advance. I think it's even for this year. Probably more important to see them in advance. So you know from all the discussions go once. Once the inductors are said and for the people getting in and there'll be discussion with the market. Here's how much time you have right now in the past. We'd say if you go along don't worry about it. Will Edit it edit post. But that's a different discussion this year. Sure I also always feel like there's always at least one or two artists who get up on stage holding their piece of paper that out. They wrote backstage then. They're like putting their glasses on. They're taking them off. They're looking at the paper and they're not looking at the paper. I'm talking about but also other ones in the past two there have been so many. Where like a person will bring up their paper and then they're reading it off thing. I feel like this year. That's not gonNA fly. Get it together guys again. It's live TV. You never know what's going to happen. Dr Space What they want. We're going to have it as well rehearsed and buttoned up. As as we can is there we have her we've postulated or maybe heard that sometimes a performer will not perform even if they are living and capable if the hall is not able to meet their production value requests or like that of Janet Janet or with Who Else didn't perform radiohead was was. They had no but wasn't it? Oh we talked about where it kind of feels like. There's maybe a willingness on their part to perform but to do it their way which goes beyond the production the production -tations of all of the ceremony. Where you need to clear things along with Janet. We did our best to try to get her. Perform We would love her to perform. She had a lot going on at the time as well Vegas residents so despite we had all the right people talking to her. Sure it wasn't just us. It was people that she's very close with. I'm sure how much love we we recruited you know her her her inner circle as much as we could because we jam is inner ear. Like come on girls and everybody would have wanted it. We would have loved it. You know she thin today opted not but you also gave it a thought. She gave a great speech of a speech. I thought it was really emotional moment and I think that's what people remember from it. Nwea I'm trying to remember. I mean obviously we. We would love for them to perform. We ended up doing the Performance I try. There's no performance for that. Yeah I think what? Ice Cube has said. He said it on Stern. He was like we had some we wanted to do. They said no. And we were like all right which leads me to believe. They had something that you have to fully. But Yeah I mean you have to do it. Within the parameters just has to do with the artist or anything else or an unwillingness. It's just there's only so much when you're doing multiple acts A. And that's the thing people don't bring their if someone's on if someone's doing a vegas show you can't. You're not bringing that Vegas show to the show. You have to do it within setup and it's not it's not intended to be all about a big production with a lot of effects and everything I mean. There's great lighting and screens and things that we do to enhance the performance but at the end of the day. It's really about seeing those people do those songs it's not. It's not supposed to replicate their concerts. Right which sometimes doesn't resonate with artists themselves. Unfortunately I'm in I'm curious. Was there ever a discussion of doing kind? Like what Madonna another person does like a tribute to Jim? Ed Wood she was. She not amenable to matter. Just drink them you know. I don't think that was it. It was just a matter of you. Know if you're going to do that you want to aim really high because you can't. It's hard and that's not an easier than by the way that's also. I mean Janet's because it's so much about the production with her. You know even to get somebody else to do it. That's GonNa take a lot of work on someone else to come in and set the piano and sing a song you hire dancers kind of level of artists that you would. Nour's like Janet deserves to do that. You know it was. It would be a lot involved in that so and we were holding out till as long as we could to see if she would actually perform so you can actually go out and put together a week before the show. Of course again I think cheated great I think she delivered on her speech and that was really special moment and then I have to ask a question that is spent sticking in my craw for so long I will absolutely. It's my biggest biggest like beef with the hall. Right now is that there was no aretha tribute no live aretha tribute and I am. I'm still so salty about it. What happened You know it was definitely something discussed the challenge. There was already been a number. Obviously a number of a wreath attributes done. I forget I forget. Actually what she passed. What the timing of when she actually passed was let's just say there was plenty of time to put together but there's also been a number of other true a lot of other tributes and. I wanted you. Don't want to go back and try to reach right. What had already been done and a lot of those places shows had like the kind of artists that you would want to do that so you want to. You know I'm just like it's I don't know if there's a right answer. I'm over here just like Chris Cornell. Not even in the hall gets a whole Song of his done. We got you know. Glen. I mean is wild and people who've gotten tributes and she's the first woman inducted into the hall she is so iconic and so important and it's like I was so disappointed I was like there's going to be there has to be a tribute to her. There's GonNa be a trivial. They're going to get everyone in the world there and it's going to be so and then I was realize a lot of those of the people that are on that list already done they had already done tribute feels maybe like a retread. Let's a very well aware that she's the first woman to get in and how important and iconic she is so just like thank you so much time to so many other people who are so wait. Do it right and have the level of artists deserves. Then that's those those who would make the tough decisions. I do too big package to said I know. We use the her version of amazing grace and she got like the last like screen. Grab on the on the Memoriam but I was like yeah. She deserved more from the hall like she was so important. I was I was very disappointed. That's a now now. You know I understand your position I understand. The position can't outs I mean I do understand. It would have been sad if it had not been an incredible just like all out Banger of because you have to. You don't want to together. Yeah you don't want it to be level version of that for the Rock Hall absolutely not. But I was like. I'm like they've got Janet they're lying gentleman ALMANAC. They're like this could really be something. I'm like you know Michelle Obama. I keep saying that I want to show much. They're just they're just they're on stage near them at the piano. Yu-gi-oh leash accuse. I mean you had the the Nina Simone tribute. It was very beautiful and done before. I'm curious about and this might be something that you have. No knowledge of this singles category things done the past. It was cut out of the broadcast last year. I'm curious if that is our indication that it is not long for this world. I would say that okay. I would say that do so. So we might be getting a single category. This the show is still being Put together again. There's a once we know who's coming. Who's doing what who's got what songs are being done. Then you allot your time. I'll enjoy Joe. Joe Gallons responsibility to put together a format for the show. There's going to be you have to find some things. Interstitial things to to fill in some gaps and so forth you know so I think all things are still being okay. I'll register my. How should I put this late? Let Your Voice be heard. Stand up and Sing Joe. Tell us tell us how you feel. I'll just say that if you cut it. I don't think the ceremony would lose any. I absolutely agree and it would bump me out if like something else got less time. So that will stephen could talk about. What songs are essential bar band songs? I like the concept of it at least songs that you know. Maybe the artists will never get him but the songs are hall of fame worthy is valid concept throws in Eisley Brothers Song. And you're like Steven. What are you doing was live because we were at the ceremony at the ceremony? Last year he was screaming live bid he literally wet. What is the point? He was so mad because we we have thought. I thought the first year of the singles category. It was actually done pretty well. Yup Pretty on board business choice and there's plenty of other songs to choose from that are serving even went so far as to draft of what songs we thought maybe would be including the next year and we were so episodes to fill so off in a way where we were like. Oh well fuck this. Nothing matters like there is no criteria that you can really look to if it's going to be bands that are already in advance. That are just that little. Stephen likes it really feels like his thing. I would like it. Maybe if there were more people voting maybe there's more of a process to have a more of a consensus from a lot of different voices but when it kind of feels like bands that could be played on little steven's underground garage and series the value of the cabin enough. It's quite to that. Extent would never put rapper's delight in the singles category. Even though that's one of the ones Eisley should that's how I don't disagree that that's a song that because you know Chicago. Gang SONG IS CONIC. Important is a good single vagrants. The quintessential you'd never a million years. You don't know that He. I don't know that fucking Sam and Dave Song I don't know I mean I will. I'm focused in other parts of the show. It feels like that's not your your jurisdiction. Let it be known. I'm curious because there was a rumor but it proved to be untrue that the ceremony. This year was going to be in a much bigger venue than the public hall. But it feels if I'm unless I'm mistaken the Public Auditorium and Cleveland is where the ceremony is happening. As far as I know it is which to me. Seems like a small venue for an event of this magnitude especially for the city of Cleveland. That gets excited. Have you actually been to it and like I said I love it there? Okay when it's you know it's much smaller than the Barclays. It's actually what official capacity as it's a historic venue. It's I think the Beatles played there. I mean it really is. There's a lot. There's a lot of history in that room and it feels like there's a for an arena. Actually feels kind of intimate okay whereas sometimes when you get into the giant places something you can I'm not I have nothing to do with the venue selection. I'm I'm I'm glad it's there just as a fan. It's just feels another some kind of energy in that place at work than is there like spillover viewing places or something like that. I know there's like this in Cleveland. They have a separate screening room. I think at the hall itself at the Rock Hall at the Museum. Do they do a concurrent event where you can make sense? I obviously haven't been able to just be watching it. Live sound having a livestream just going to be on what? I'm assuming is HBO. Max Given that I think that's the new. Hbo Thing that is doing streaming events yet again now from what I understand. Now we mentioned him previously. Because you're you're tight with him. John Sykes is the new chairperson of the hall. There are so many different little positions within the hall whether it's the CEO Joe Perez Mun or the person who's running the nominating committee orders the Hoagie. Whatever had to Greg Harris? Who's the CEO of the museum? And then there's the then there's the board and then there's a chairperson of the board. I'm wondering if you could. Maybe you have absolutely no idea. There's just so many different seemingly very important powerful positions with Sykes as the new chairperson of the board what that means potentially like going forward do with him at the helm so to speak also is he really at the helm. What does anything? Well he's formally. I don't think he officially started the first of the year. If I'm not I could be wrong about that. And you know I mean Joel for like Joe Perez. His he comes into work everyday his. He's working on rock and Roll Hall of fame every day and he's got a focus. It's got a real fulltime job. He's the CEO of the Rock. I think it's called the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation versus the museum. Yeah right so that's it's not just about doesn't just revolve around this event. He is working on it on things year round and they do. There's a lot of other initiatives and hopefully. It'd be more initiatives that they're doing greg obviously responsible for the museum itself. The most clear one to me. Yeah I get that China. Get a mental org chart going Paul. He's got up. I don't WanNA show his room because he does have a big drawer with string. He's got no car push pins. What does it all me? John Lewis John. Obviously has another job. Is it a senior executive at Iheart? He's been a he's been the nominee committee as long as I have been on before I have been. He's except I've known John. Since nineteen eighty two. He's passionate a music guy. As I've met my time in the business and still is to this day as hard working. It's his enter. Like I remember my energy when I was in the early days. I've still pretty passionate. I don't know if I have quite the energy. I did John. Still does your. He's a force of nature So I'm actually excited to see what he brings to this. John John John Legend and the opportunity to work with you on while he was while I was doing it was great great. We develop a nice relationship and he was you know he respected my opinions on things and the pliers comfortable giving them to him. Okay you know I felt I felt like they were letting me letting me into their world. So someone like that that is an icon in this business was was great to have that experience with. I think Jon will bring some new energy to it and some new excitement and you know I think because he's in the current artist business. I think it's going to be important to bring current artists. Not just for this. Obviously for the show but other ways to engage current artists in in Rockin Hall of fame. Kind of functions. I think will be important to continue the legacy of the hall and make sure Stoke continues to be vital on just doesn't fade away over time right. Yeah that's what that's what I'm excited about In order to keep the hall a Living Breathing Change. There are some really great. Whitney and big tributes. That's me personally just putting it out there. I really hope that our live and awesome and that that's the goal that we fly all of New York to Cleveland and forget it poppin on stage. That is really what I'm hoping we. We're on the same page. I think too. You know it is the this way in all aspects of society but so much of this business trades on relationships and trades on who you know and who you identify with and who you've known since you know your whole life and stuff like that and you just mentioned Seven names and they were all men and they're all white. I'm assuming tell me if I'm wrong but you know and it feels like so much of it. Is your friends. Hire their friends? Hire their friends. Hire their friends. And you like the people who are like you and I mean it makes it. It makes its own boys club whether it was intentional or not. How are you guys working to diversify that to bring in more women and more people of Color and stuff into these big executive positions is hard understood? Yeah probably not the best person to answer that. You're not necessarily exactly uncharted. No I have no no. I'm not I am one of the guys that's But listen the nominating committee has his face. The nominee committee has changed a lot. Since I've been on it it's gotten much more diverse. There's always still room to grow but it's it's I would look back when I first joined. There was forty some people. You needed camp out there for a day for that meetings. There's so many people in the hoagies if you're gonna be there good good. There was this. It's hard to tell you but I know it's okay to say it's a Hoagie to say that. There's a big long hoagie. That goes down the middle of the table. Shatter your shatter your chatter. So it's what I but I've seen it just a you know as a participant observer how it's changed over time and obviously a lot of when John took over. That was a question. He's been asked a lot probably defer to him to yeah to answer that but I'm confident that it's not something that is taken lightly the irony. Is You know you hear a lot of times? A lot of it's not only about the diversity of the the actual committee members but the nominees the inductees and go to the big female artists who have gotten lobbied for the nominee me and come from you know it's it's not just women pitch man. Yeah I don't believe that I mean like in the executive function of an organization it's going to inadvertently be affected by the makeup of. Who's at the top regardless of what's going on in the middle row regardless of what's going on at the front facing part in the ceremony for example but it's it's kind of like who's at the top and it's I mean I have empathy for the for the concept of like you want to work with the people that you trust and you've worked with for a long time and we all just have to make concerted efforts to do better and be better so if you could deliver that message the message. I have a feeling that message has already been delivered and heard like I'm not a member of the board so I know they'll probably make efforts on that side. I would say that knowing John Wells I. I can't think of anybody more qualified to do this job the job. It's kind of ironic beaten sort of working for him again after we've always stayed close but work and I'm excited about what he's going to potentially bring to this so I'm intrigued by. It's going to be alive ceremony. I just like what is this. We had Joe me watch as many lives hair. Monet's as he could get his hands on like I said we have a lot of episodes fill and so I cannot imagine. How is it going to get cut into? You have a really big job on your keeps it exciting where we talk about it every day. I like it. Too because you do not seem daunted and I think that is that gives me calm. Prison show talked to Dr Joel. He may feel differently but now I think that any good. I don't WANNA speak for him. But any great producer director likes new challenges thrown out. I think I don't think anybody just wanted to well. Let's just do the show the same way we've been doing. I think the whole you know a lot of this with John John. Coming in and like how do we take the show and I mean I've loved all the shows we've done nothing. Alex did an amazing job in the five years. He did the show and loved working with him. So I think it's there any reflection on that? I think it's just how do you without trying to like be like without trying to be like one of the other shows? Yeah that's something we're not we're not trying to go. Let's try to be like the grammys or the The AMA's or the billboard. Awards vm as. It's not that at all. But how do you just continue to try? Some new things and live. Seemed like I really instant instant way to all of a sudden chance. The whole vibe right off the bat. So it's a drastic way to shake that just as a starting point that that forces you know bitch makes you change your way of thinking. So you a question. So what do you think of the inductees this year? I feel like it's a solid class. I'm happy to see different. Not Just genres but arrows represented After radiohead did not get in their first year. I was a little worried about in in that year is a very like every inductee. In two thousand eighteen had been eligible for a very long time. I was worried that the hall wouldn't be able to consistently remain current would get a little stuck in previous eras. But when you see this year we have nine inch nails and we have notorious. B I G and Whitney Houston those and even think like depeche mode how artists you had significant work in the nineties. All four of those had wide array of genre and I think the Rock Hall is at its best when it is representing different facets of music. I think that's important. I was a little dismayed that I really thought pad. Benetton would be a slam dunk as my biggest beef. It just felt like she just seen. We did our job. You GotTa Watch. It is the first year on the ballot and I. I would certainly hope that the same level of enthusiasm that went into pitching her last year will will happen again. I would serve the advocate that she was just GonNa. It seemed like a slam dunk. Cushy is like she a classic rock artists in the mold of a lot of those artists who are snubbed but then get on the ballot and then get an immediately not to mention. She is a woman and the hall has struggled with getting the proper amount of female inductees in. So it's like Oh this is gonna be a layup. She's she's classic rock. She's alive she story. She'll perform be stopped. Me When I disagree you know and so that that was a little certifiably rocks. I mean there's no argument there so that was a little disappointing otherwise I feel pretty good. I mean I thought the ballot was really wanted. Chuck a conduct in this year to that. There's you know somebody's fault. Longtime there are a few artists where it just when craft work and Rufus. And don't get in you. It's expected at this point because of we can try and for Tri C. Five someday there the three yeah. She sheik was like that for a long time. And then the Nile Rodgers. Because there was so much more to them than just she felt like it didn't feel like we better get him in some really thought. He was very deserving of that because he doesn't so much beyond chic that that does put a lid on the chic nominating. I think I don't think there's any she probably. You're probably correct correct. Let's get carole king on as a not as a performer. And I would have when it comes to the ballot. It felt a little light when especially given the kind of the cultural conversation. It felt pretty light for women inductees zoo. Who would you have wanted to see on there? That wasn't on the ballot goes would've loved to see. I think there's time there's a case to be made for Carly Simon. Yes I think you know. Turner Solo even bands. That aren't fully. Just women like the beef twos. Yes four the EURYTHMICS. Or even banned like the pixies that at the very least is an all male or joy division slash new order. Which if I can if they can get leave with one thing that you remember is that if joy division comes up it has to be joy division slash New Order. Difficult to actually do that though. Canyon faces in the small faces were inducted. Delic was nominated together. It's got the receipts. It's very important because if you just induct joy division you don't you're more or less inducting new order without the woman which is the bad that would be bad understood. Also I. They're the same band right. Obviously they charged with a different name. As you know the music industry I will say listen. I'm encouraged what the cure getting in last year and Depeche mode getting in this year. That's that's a lane that had had been under represented and I think that's opened the door to all I used to be Joe's big snub and so it was very very exciting last year. Was I'm curious if you guys think because obviously the next up in that lane would probably be the smiths and I've been on the ballot before twice but I wonder if you guys think. Oh that sounds like a nightmare just given that they don't get along and more sees national if that is something that occurs you like we put we get depeche mode. They we know they perform. Everybody loves them. They're great we can ensure their performance almost one hundred percent but with the smiths it is it is a hole dire straits though you have to remember. They do not care. I'm sorry I didn't mean to take the answer for you. But how great would it be if dismiss actually came and performed a right? Yes you're you're you're you're not playing. The I know who knows you don't you don't think of the live show when nominating now and I think I I don't think you should because I think that's and I will say that it's something that is hammered into our heads. It's like don't get so caught up in in part of the past. It's always thinking like that but at the end of the day. You're putting your doctor people because they're hall of fame worthy then you have that. It's your job to job how to how to make that into hopefully television. It's not like what it would be good television and let's back into that way that's tempting yes emptying but it's not it's not fair it's not right okay. All right and that's just maybe my but it's a it's a balanced too because you have to. It's become the ceremonies. Become a big deal and you want to be thinking about what that could be and I had these fantasies like. Why wouldn't it be amazing if the smiths actually reunited on the Rock? Like how Great. Happy if they renew the rock fame but what happens wastes as eligible eligible for the first time this past year. They didn't make the ballot would they? You know what kind of part of parties like guide. We should nominate him just to see what happens. 'cause well but I don't think that's the reason I say that kidding kidding have serious. Because there's an argument to aid that Oasis Hall of Fame Worthy. I think they will show up. Yeah I mean in the sense that they will not they will physically show up on the ballot. You'll strongly that it soon enough. They will be on the ballot and not everybody has to be. You know I get obviously. The nominating committee is public knowledge for a long time. I don't think it was public knowledge. He was on the nominee committee. It clearly is in print now. Yeah and people now so everybody gets worked around. The clock hits twenty-five certain certain calls and Wow is it. Is it like being our people for your consideration like campaigning. You yeah listen. I two CDs in the mail. Career retrospectives their box sets. The hall gets a lot of fans. Vote coming to them. I mean that's a conversation if you ever get to talk to Greg Harris that. He's the one when he sort of represents the hall he always brings up like who the people that the fans they have. This they have the thing at the hall of fame where you can actually vote for Greg. Bring that up at the meetings. That's part of. His role is definitely to make people aware. I mean. He hasn't necessarily influenced the choices but which we saw this year because we thought last year I mean the top two names were Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks and we were thought. Okay does this weird kiosk at the museum have a lot of sway and then the next year it was a motley crue and blink one eighty two and while it was like Freddie Mercury Solo was like what is happening. The people don't listen. I think everybody does. I mean I'm I'm I'm a numbers guy the stats and like to see what the Kiosk Pat. Ben Atar does every year. The Fan vote is well Yes she was she. Was she number two after after the Dave Matthews Band runaway? Well I'M GONNA put a Matthews active and has gone Zach passionate fan so I would have been surprised if they matthews didn't win the Fan. He's got award tours without a doubt. The Horde tour no travelers traveling tour in the nineties. It was like their Lollapalooza. Kind of thing. That's okay Chicago thing. I think he'll sit out here. Remember and I guess my last. I don't know if it's a question but more of just a suggestion put to you. If you have any sway in getting people ballots to vote on you. Might you know maybe you have some new friends who think about this stuff all the time and are probably thinking about it more than anyone else in the country which I love and respect and appreciate all say is that we want the people that vote to feel as passionate about it as we do Yeah a really care and not just yeah I take I take I take it seriously. I get excited when I get ballots. Still have other friends. Who who are voters? Who Do it and they don't post my vote online. I keep I keep voted to myself but some people are so proud of you know putting their instagram valid. And here so I voted for and they wanted out there Yeah we've talked to people. We've we episodes where we called people I think. Actually I broach that to you and you're like I produced the ceremony. I can't tell you not but yeah we've talked to people. We have pressured people change people's valid. Better Yeah Yeah we have. Who Got Chochana vote? This year. I got Janet One last year. All right you want her best and listen. It's it's it's more transparent than it's ever been to the degree it can be and you know there are people that not that. The voting list is made public but there are people that vote that publicly. Go out and say you know. I think it's different to talk about it as a voter as opposed to certain things that have to a little more discreet about my role but I think those are people are really excited to do it and feel like they. Have you know one or two votes can make a make a difference? I got it really is. It's like literally you're like on the nominating committee. It's like you can't be thinking about what the show is going to be like. It's like the nominating committee is voting in the primary and then the general action is what everybody gets their ballots and one or two votes can really make a difference. I personally love the ballot. This year I think the ballot it was a great dominated meeting the ballot. We came out of there with you. Know had a little something for everybody and also as hard rock band it was. It was strong. Got a lot of chases there. It was strong. And you know we'll never know could be. Maybe there were too many. I don't think there's any hard evidence to point to that it's just you know. People can theorize If you clear lane for hip hop maybe clear lane for heavy metal. You know because we feel like the lanes cleared for a couple of years ago when priest was on. Was there any other thing than the heart? I don't even remember who else on that ballot that year. I mean I guess. They're going up against Bon Jovi. They're going up against a lot of kind of classic rock artists. I mean Bon Jovi Moody Blues Demonstrates Cars. God I really did not enjoy that here. I did not enjoy what sixteen on the ballot this year. Creek they all deserved to be in In my opinion I'd say with one exception for me but that would be and that would be the MVP or man. Dave not not. You know honestly. I think you'd be ever now. That's that's that's how I feel. I'm not so that's okay. Then he is hall of fame. You know maybe you're saying he doesn't have to be first or second yes. He's eligible last year. This is not everybody has to get on the first ballot. Yeah I think it also is just odd to me given that the other artists contemporaries that I think would be more worthy like say a backer smashing pumpkins or ABC for Dave to get on the ballot before they do to me was strange. But that's the beauty of it. It's all subjective. Really want to know what it was like in the. I know that you probably cannot talk about it. But it's just like it is so funny because we've talked to someone else who was on the com- I can't remember who yeah and I was like when they brought him up the Dave Van. Nobody was like what no everyone's like disgusting seriously and then decided to nominate him. I'm like I'm okay. Yeah that's why I think having the again. We have a great group of people in the Committee. All come from different tastes all You know all converging and think people can even say for myself. There's people that I've been in that gun in that meeting saying they weren't even on my radar that I ended up supporting because somebody made a really passionate case for them do. Are you at liberty? Say Well even educating me like. I didn't actually know that much about sister. Rosetta tharp before she came up in that meeting and I I was aware that aim but I felt kind of bad that I didn't really know and I I learned. I didn't know anything about her. Talent clearly deserved to be as you know the influence part obviously so that's always stress but going into that I would never have even thought about it. Do you feel like you have convinced people. Yeah do you think you were you able to sway some people onto progress? I have and I think people have told me after the fact you know it's like I don't like this kind of music but I see for the people who do like like how important so I've had people come up to me and say they supported something that they didn't personally like which is the biggest problem if you're just going personal taste. Oh Yeah are you can't assign things just because you like them exactly. We've all done that. We've all learned our lesson that you signed something just because you like then you find six other people that actually like a million dollars a million dollars. Twelve hundred records. That ever happened to me. Oh no way no way so with the Group. We have now that you can have those you know people are much more receptive. I mean I was. I was scared shitless my first meeting. I was sure because I didn't know what to expect. And there's a lot of people a lot of people been doing a long time and a lot of a lot of journalists who I know specifically with music like hate progress yeah passionately unashamedly like we'll go out of their way to say how much they hate it I think I started my first. The first meeting I was in. I think assorted hi. My Name is Rik prog rock fan kind of just to put it out just to put it out there and You know if you're talking about genesis or yes or rush route route proud to fight the fight. The good for they're all. They're all very deserving I'm glad they got in and what am I one of my other favorite moments ever from a hall of Fame Ceremony. We didn't la the year rush got in And it was at the beginning of the show when I mean. The crowd was literally Ninety Percent Rush. Vans as you can imagine in the theater and Yawn winter would always come out to start the show and list. The Duck Dis And when he got to rush I mean literally hit could be for like another three minutes because the crowd just wouldn Stein and wouldn't stop cheering and I got. That was validating moments. Ask and I think people that probably were not rush fans. That didn't understand what that was like saw that and again. It's there's plenty of bands that have diehard fans maybe aren't hall of Fame Worthy Rush. Clearly was is the exception. That and I realize there's I I know why people don't like rush is not for everybody using the for the people who like it appreciate rush. They are everything I mean. You saw it when neo past and I think it was the love to me taking away like the masses from the music community and the musician community you know it rivaled Bowie and prints and Tom. Petty the tribute. She saw that people are coming out with when Neil like what an impact he had on people musicians and just fans he beyond whether you like their music or not. You cannot deny the power and the talent of one of the great drummers of all time absolutely can't I mean literally yet because I went back and started looking at the lists that everybody would publish I mean Bonham seems to end up number one on every list on them. Keith. Moon and but deals top. Fees wasn't top five on someone's list than it was bad is my opinion it was it was it was. He was anywhere between two and five on every list. Yeah well and even rolling Stone Joe always makes this case to for the and it's valid one. I guess but that that the thing that is cool and good about the rock and Roll Hall of fame is that it does expose you to things that you'd wouldn't know about when I watched the package I suddenly. I'm like maybe rush kind of rocks a little bit like. Oh who's the Paul Butterfield Blues Band? It's like Oh sister. Rosetta she kicks ass. I'm learning some stuff. Onto Jackson was another one. I didn't I didn't I didn't who wanted to Jackson was and she performed. Yeah which is pretty cool because it's not often. Do you get an early influence. Who then is we actually put her on. Vh One divas show after like you know. We put her on one of those shows. That's because the RAW. It's how I knew about and you could see she could still show up and bring it truly. That is one of my catchphrases on the show is induct the divas. I believe we should just induct all the divas. Anyone who's ever been on the beach one divas show put them all in putting Gloria Estefan. I do not care. Put them all in Santa. The Divas Inducted Mall. Another podcast took gosh behind the scenes. At Divas live I live I. Can they pop video of the Divas? Live who joe. That's a crossover for us. It is another thing that we've talked about with Seymour. And the old guard is the idea that it would be cool or that there is going to come a time as the nominating committee gets younger and more diverse. That there's not going to be people who remember these random ivory Joe Hunter. Yeah there's someone to continue to nominate them for the eighteenth time or whatever and that at a certain point wouldn't it be great if there was just like a veteran veterans committee and then they get one every year they just get to put one in every year they get to do like an early influence style? Just put it to the voting body? Who doesn't Know Shit? They're just like hey this is good. I don't I don't disagree other in my mind. There's early influences other genres. Dj Cool her because in early influence. Yeah we we we just you know he's not gonNa or if you put it on the ballot. He's never going to get into voting. Barely released any recordings but his week we actually had hip hop honor Sean. Vh1 I are versed on our show. We actually we honor him because he had never really been recognized and that kind of form before so. I'm certainly hoping that artists like that. It would be so cool if that became like a thing where it doesn't have to be some from the fifty S. What I was saying being early influenced if there was just like a a. GimMe like the Non Power got one. GimMe that they just like at a certain point can't the Phnom Com just put an MC five knowing that they're always gonNA shit the bed. Thank I remember there there. That helped create his honora work. Chrysler could be considered an early influential breath for just pop them in do it. You know all things to be discussed. I'm sure induct the divas as well while you're at also inducted. You put them all in. I think the good thing is there's a great team involved in these are all all these kind of discussions will happen and there's an openness to move this forward and keep it contemporary but also make sure that we find that you don't forget about this. Recognize the past. You agreed that warms my heart truly. Well it's just nice to know that somebody's listening this all. These things are things that are you know those things are always discussed and Saudi you. That's great you can't do everything and it's it's always a challenge to try to serve two masters and I do a great job of how we do it can. It can always be better. I think everybody acknowledged everybody acknowledges that that it cannot. We're moving in the right direction. It can always be better and there will always be an effort made to make it better. I'm excited for this year ceremony. Me Too I wish that Pat Cleveland definitely GONNA COME TO CLEVELAND. I it's IT'S I. I have a lot more fun in Cleveland. No disrespect to clear at all. There's not quite as much. There's our our New York hotel. Besides a cry is a crush on the venue. People everybody staying there. You basically see the same people for three days You get to go to the museum which is great because a lot of people don't get at opportunity The Indians are catch a game. I don't think I don't think the cavs would be in the playoffs and the won't be much only a basketball to be seen then right. Yeah but it's great in the city's truly embraces it. I Love New York to just a different. It's different they're both equally great in different ways We'll we'll see you there. If you need any seat fillers just down on the floor. Let us know where very well I? I have some Nice dresses. I'm willing to dress up. Well Rick thank you so much for being a part of this and taking the time out of your schedule to be a guest on this show. It's my pleasure I love. I love talking about it even the things. I can't talk about yes. Is there anything you would like to plug or your social media or anything like that? No Watch the Rock and Roll Hall of fame on. Hbo On May Second. Just shall live on HBO. You can follow us on twitter and Instagram at Rock Hall pod. You can email us. Recall Potett gmail.com. Christmasy that you're going to have to indicate that somewhere in your message. Subscribe to us on Apple. Podcast reviews five stars. 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Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: The 2020 Induction Ceremony Is Not Happening

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: The 2020 Induction Ceremony Is Not Happening

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the rock hall, a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of Fame I'm your host joke was Allah I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame, and that's what's up with me as always via zoom video chat. Is Kristin stuttered? Who doesn't care as much about the rocker? Hall of fame might actually in this state be as mad and righteously angry as ever Heinsohn. Hello I have slid. If you if you thought I started to care. Thought that I had. Converted now the the revolution has come, and it has changed my vibe. I was actually thinking about that today. How how angry I am and how I wouldn't be mad. STIRRAT calls job. Why aren't it all down? Back where we started. So That are rotten at the core must be. Must Be Rebuilt. I believe that in all scenario. In the ruckle is not excluded. No one's ever tried. They've done. We've seen that reforms don't work. They, tried. They tried to make the nominating committee. A little less white. They tried to put a few women on, and these half-measures will not stand. Yeah so the last time I. It's kind of funny. We had said we are going off the air. You will not hear from us until there's something to talk about. And that was two weeks ago, so we're back and we're here to acknowledge in discuss what has happened, which is that? They have officially cancelled the induction ceremony for the twenty twenty class. which is curious rail guys? Driving the latest, the latest victim of cancel culture is the Rock Hall ceremony so this they've never this never happened. They've never done this and precedent in times, and it's not going to be delayed. It is not going to be a ceremony now. They are replacing it. The replacing it with a special to be aired on HBO on November Seventh, which was the date that they had. Delayed the Rock Hall induction ceremony initially, but It's they haven't released any details about what it's going to be, but it's going to be honoring the inductees in some way, so that could mean a lot of things. And I make a few predictions lease. All Right? We're GONNA have a lot of zoom speeches. We're going to have Li- like tree recorded in in celebrities houses. It's they're going to do it. Just like a regular ceremony as far as like the inducting part and accepting sequence of events have like package speech acceptance performance. Yes but I am I don't know what is GonNa Happen with performance part of it and I imagine that they might actually just cut a lot. I just think hired how you GonNa do that. There's going to be performances but it will be hard. I mean there has to be in. There have been events so far like zoom things on TV and online where people have performed right usually at someone by themselves. But their type of things possible. They're going to get Jimmy Fallon and the roots to do a madly on kids instruments on children's instruments, each for I. don't even remember WHO's. I don't even remember who is. Let me see if I can remember who's in the class group this? I have I have backslid y'all. On You know that Whitney and Biggie are in. And then. God. Then than like a bunch of white guys okay. This is T, Rex Sanders, okay and is. Is there like a new wave band that gut in. Independence Mall get in. Okay. They did I know he did it, but. Whenever historically when I when I try to ask you, who's in your first response usually notes not todd rundgren. That's what I remember. Okay, so it's not him. Who who else could it be some more guys? It's bands full of guys. It's two more bands full of guys. One band. This will give it away, but one band is basically one guy. Nine inch nails yeah. And and It's. Is it. Who's like the Moody Blues of this year? Is there like right? So this is the kind of foundational classic rock band that got the brothers. The DOOBIE brothers yeah, okay I, literally reading. This. Okay I got out there eventually, but you know you. Time away from the hall and I just truly goes care. Yeah. The sieve gets bigger and bigger. The WHO's in the. Do you remember the non performer inductees this year? It's a bunch of managers right? Yeah, it's managers. It's two managers It's the guy who manages Bruce Springsteen. Yes, who is also the? He runs the nominating committee. Stran- Landau. Landau I was like an is the other guy. Seem like Martin, Note. Okay then. Irving as off. WHO's a very very pal and On the non come to. The Board What's interesting is that we have been talking prior about how this class half of them are deceased. So. We're missing out on some tribute performances obviously, but also I guess if there was going to be a class that didn't have an induction ceremony. The fact that it's not like a full class of people who could have been there. Maybe makes this replacement special more easily producible I. Don't know what I'm saying. What what are you GonNa do for the performance part than your. They're gonNA. Have Ban skit together from their houses. They're gonNA. Do like a brady. Bunch style zoom performance. My prediction is it will be. You know for for Whitney. You can get someone singing. By themselves. bryce killer Karaoke track. Yes get. You get some celebrity a karaoke. Keep track, but there's ways to do this with the performances like you get someone to. Basically play their part and then give that to the next person who plays along with that part, and gives it the next person who plays with that part, and then give it to the singer to sing along. I mean it's pretty static, but it's one way to do it. I, guess there's a you could do something with like phone lines, so there's no lag, but yeah. I'm just curious about how so one thing that. I think that this will have going for. It is that we will be so starved for new entertainment. That this might actually be a big deal for the first time ever. People might actually be hyped and if they can get some really good people like if they could guy to beyond say to be part of it the Whitney. You'd or something like that or like if they can get some big names to be a part of it. Because they don't have to go to. CLEVELAND, exactly, you don't have to get anybody to go to Cleveland number two. Nobody's really going anywhere. All the tours are cancelled for the year anyway, and so it actually might be i. don't know this might be the year for the Rock. Hall to shine. That's true. I mean what you what you said was a very good point, which is that you don't have to get anyone to go somewhere? So you can potentially access celebrities and figures who would be a huge get like beyond say or a Jay Z, because when we've talked about that with Whitney and in big getting in in the same year and then. Blue Ivy in air DOOBIE brothers Trivia. We will then also like foot so Trent Reznor can put on a performance by himself, yeah. So that's that's one thing that like I could easily happen and then with something like t rex. I imagine just Liam Gallagher with an acoustic guitar or something, so there's plenty of like T. Rex songs could be. There could be tribute performance with one. Qatar Watch Liam Gallagher. Not Show up to zone house on home now. And also here's the thing this is act. This is a time when they could innovate. But you know who's not known for innovation. I'm listening what? Roll Hall of Fame Interesting Air Not know it daters well. They're going to be forced to to come up with some ideas right and I hope that they do an interesting John with it and don't just do a boring job because of really been underwhelmed. Some of the offerings on hand in the past it is so funny fired up again about how much I don't like the rock. This. This spirit has moved Jimmy. Wow Yeah I also think there is there should be. I don't know if it's going to involve a performance, but there should be some sort of acknowledgment of little Richard. I. Angry boy does he would've happened at the ceremony without a doubt because he's a first first year first class inductee. There was never a tribute to. Raise. Glenn. There wasn't. How many! Yeah, but ever talk about it. But I would hope that there's something for Little Richard I'm also predicting that the packages will be supersized because I mean as we discussed. The packages are often the best part, and that's something that you can. You can spend more time on if this is going to be if it's going to be a special verses a concert. And because they're gonNA, prerecord the speeches and stuff. They're going to be able to cut them down like it's not. GonNa have to be you. Don't you're not going to have to deal with any rambling? There's GonNa be. No surprises is the opposite of doing it live. Exactly, yes, so this this is going to be very heavily produced an edited, and that could be a good thing that could result in something more interesting, and you told me in a text message that so then this means that the next ceremony in twenty twenty one. IS GOING TO BE IN CLEVELAND THEY'RE NOT JUST GO TO NEW YORK? They're not counting this virtual year as Cleveland's. Here Cleveland still gets a chance, so the reports are that November of twenty twenty one will be the next actual induction ceremony concert and it will be in Cleveland. which you know, I have I thought ahead towards what the twenty twenty one ceremony was going to look like and that it was going to be in Brooklyn with Jay Z., getting inducted, and that would be very cool. Yes I've thought about that, but that no longer is in the books. Know how this is going to have to SCHLEP IT to Cleveland to accept his award. Off Man well. I say I've got a long list of demands. If the recall ever wants to appease me. A long it's easy enough stuck. They can do if they just wanted to have true equity they could. They could make it happen. Yeah, it needs just re require a fundamental undoing of the status quo at. The institution like which. Actually, replacing, making equity between men and women on the nominating committee in the voting body, same with making the racial divide, also making equity on the nominating committee, and in the voting body, and then just literally next year an all black ballot and all black ballot and everyone gets in. I'm not kidding at the beginning of reparation for it, because it's so far skewed in all black ballot, fifty percent female everyone gets, that's like the beginning of a way to victor to fixes, yeah, and an extensive. Examination of racism in rock and roll and of whitewashing at extensive internal examination within the organization, and then a very well produced a package of those results. Share money with a twenty minute fucking amazing documentary about the history of racism in rock and roll, and that will only. Scratch the surface, but like let's show that black lives matter. Let's show that this is different that the world is not the same as it was it just not the same, and let's have tangible results. They could do this if there was the willpower within the institution. These aren't insane. Things I'm not like well. You know what I mean. It wouldn't shake the institution to the core, but it would require the will to make a change and I have no power, but if anybody cares, they know how to get a hold of. Its. Name otherwise I'm GONNA, make the changes. And that's not. That's just the beginning. That's a offering s I, even too much to ask, but you. I mean one of issues with something like this is that a lot of the people on the board and in the nominating committee are people from the industry and the industry is racist whether those people think of themselves as racist or not. The institution itself was created was founded on racist principles and. And exploitation, so the issues with that type of thing sadly is that we are counting on the people in power to be able to acknowledge their own racism, which historically for people in power is a difficult thing to ask of them, because they don't WanNa do it because they don't want to have to wrestle with that. Yeah, and we're also asking them to relinquish some of that power to say redistributed. And that is my demand. That's like my men and will man, but yeah I recognize that that it is difficult, but I I mean. I wish that there was a call for that I. I mean it's the Rock Hall doesn't matter and so it's like nobody's outrigger might make petitions trying to engineer the priority, but I mean man. If they made any balance, statement or anything like that, yeah, the release something they. They put a black square on their instagram. No the statement was more. It's almost like the congratulatory type of statement. Artists of color in the Rock Hall. That kind of all is for everyone I'm just I'm just trying to decide what that's. What I if I were going to put out a really bland, corporate anti-racist eight man. I'll just I'll just I'll read. You rock and Roll Hall of fame brings together and gives voice to people of all backgrounds and beliefs through music. We celebrate a powerful art form of expression that challenges the status quo and shares important social change. We stand together in support of equality and respect for all along with our peers in the music industry. We will observe black-out, Tuesday, on June, second which, although this is me talking now, the the blackout thing initially started within music industry thing that was more about not posting. And then turned into the Black Square, but they ask you the Black Square, all right on June third we begin our celebration of African American music appreciation month during which we honor gifted. I'm African. American artists in their music which in the words of former President Barack Obama has. Named pulled on Obama quote to okay. Keep going, ask compelled us. To stand up to dance to express our faith through song to March against injustice, and to defend our country's enduring promise of freedom and opportunity for all. Of. Here Rock Hall. You take your platitudes somewhere else. You'RE GONNA highlight, these black artists for one month, and how it's just every every post beyond here is like. ARETHA tribute Aretha at the anniversary concert, aretha. Performing. For attribute and then Diana Ross inducting Billie holiday, and then little Richard inducting the Eisley brothers I mean it's nice to to show that I'm not against this, but that is lip service. That's cosmetic, want structural foundational change, and I felt that that was a really bland statement, and also ally that they are founded upon challenging the status quo. No, like yes, the idea, rock and roll yet concept of rock and roll is. To the status quo, but the rock and Roll Hall of fame is certainly not a challenge to the status quo, and yet they all they have an opportunity. They have an opportunity to really everyone has an opportunity right now we all do each of us our internal lives and our external lives, and in the organizations that we belong to and in be in all facets of how we act with each other and with companies and with. We have an opportunity, but like the bigger your organization, the bigger and opportunity that you have and people are acting like this is just a moment to get through. And just be done with. Relief for the uprising of twenty twenty like. Crazy we had to put out that Obama quote number all month. I had to be digging through the archives to find any time. A black person spoke at the Rock Hall. It was like no. This is a call to make a structural foundational change and. They have a big platform, so they can make a big change. You know we're just think a little platform, but we can also make two inch, so we hope in encourage that the rock hall will make that type of change behind the scenes, and you know with what they do. The many things they do that are very visible. I would love to see actually now that I'm thinking about it because. Getting started well. No I mean I was like. How could these changes come about because they don't care what me? What me? A little case said of California thanks, but boy. Oh, boy! Would I love it? If a bunch of black artists banded together? And made these demands and made or made whatever their demands would be. There have to take my demands. They make their own authentic. Like if they banded together and made some demands and made them really publicly apply that pressure publicly. Yeah, yeah, I think you know I think if Jay Z and beyonce's said sure will come and perform your little ceremony this year, but here's what we want next year. All black ballot gender parody. Let's make it happen. Then they would have no choice if publicly Jay beyond beyond tubes, the most powerful people in the music industry, and if artists came together, it would really be incredible to see that happen. But again I think they don't care. I mean. Do you mean that beyond saying you don't care? Yes, I think the saying Jay. Z. Don't care about the Rock Hall I'm. Not They are me in this regard. I don't think that they can that they care. For them that they give a shit about the literally who cares about the Rock Hall? and I wonder though if they were to perform I. Don't think that they would perform unless I think that they're. They are aware of their political power, and it would be really cool if they you know. They use it right now. She's been using a lot for black on businesses and stuff to try to lift their voices, and it would be really cool if that also filtered into the Rock Hall and I. Hope She I hope her people are giving them an earful right now. I hope she has a list of demands, and they're not a list of demands to improve the institution from with it. I mean that could make me care if that happens. Oh my gosh, could you imagine someone get this podcast to be beyond? Saying Jay Z. Lease. We know we have a lot of listeners who are friends with them. So. Be Too hard core demographic. We hope to see some. And for now we will be going back to the protest songs from black inductees I'll be going through that chronologically by rock hall class, and if you would like to listen to our lost episode, which was the quarantine playlist of the two thousand eleven. Episode where we talk about the lost soundtrack, yes, and the lost boys. Boys Soundtrack we saw. We just have to the show lost. We really were big hurley heads. We like Michael J. No duct composer Michael Justino into the Rock Hall you can access that episode if you'd like, but you have to donate to inner city arts which you can do so by visiting Inner City Arts Dot Org, which is a good organization that. That provides arts education to underserved youth in Los Angeles we thank all the people who have donated thus far we have raised six hundred thirty dollars and sixty cents for inner city arts, which is great s if you still would like to access that you still can, there's no shutting of the window for this deal. You're listening to this five years later. Long after. All, gosh is become president and. I'm serving as secretary of Labor. He'll do it. We'll still I guess choice for Labor is Joe. Have to? Yes, so please go ahead and reach out to us. Rock pod at Jimoh DOT COM and we will gladly give you that episode. 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Now and it wasn't that long ago. I mean whatever man so yes, there's as we lead up to the index ceremony I'm sure we'll have some things to talk about to make some predictions and they will I'm sure. Announce ahead of the ceremony. Who's going to be there will be. There'll be things to talk about, and we don't know when they will be convening again for the nominating committee. There's reports that it will won't happen. Until twenty twenty one because the ceremony itself won't have until November, but there's conflicting reports. Some say that they will be meeting before the end of this year. Who knows so I'm this like? What does a bite of the hoagie get dropped off at everybody's house. So, they can all chop it to gather virtual hoagie. They can chump. In A. Flash Animation Games. Virtual Hoagie. Anything's happening with the Rock Hall. We will come back and record are very important thoughts and episode I came is they're going to sound effect for some sort of special episode I don't think so I think the I think the sound effect will be our theme song because if you're hearing us, it's basically a special episode. We'll yeah, because what will be coming back as needed. Needed and that's in. It is needed I'm sure and yeah to discuss stuff as it happens, but until then we will be taking a step back and we hope you listen to these songs. These protests songs, which not only are a pleasant to listen to you, but there's a there's a message with all these things as well that we hope you absorbed and think about pleasant till listen. I don't know. They're good songs. They're important songs. They mean something and I hope that all of our listeners out. There are taking this opportunity to really engage with some meaningful work as far as how we can all be racist in this society, and what a lot of structures in this country were built on and kind of reexamining. It doesn't have to be this way in all regards the things that we take for granted as the way they've always been, and so it's just too hard to change. It doesn't have to be true and I think we're seeing that in this moment. And I hope we continue to see people coming together to really think about ways. That, we could make truly better future for all of the institutions, even one as dumb as the Rock Hall. We'll said. Very well said until next time I'm joke was Allah? I'm Christian stuttered and who cares about the rock saw.

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Boston with Colleen Green

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:26:10 hr | 2 years ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Boston with Colleen Green

"Hi, everybody. Welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host Joe Khwazakhela with me as always my co Kristen stuttered is me. Hello. Hey, Kristen high great today here. We are another installment of this thing where back in the regular season. Yes, for sure, I wonder at this point. Yeah. We can keep saying, we'll say it for the next few months. Now, we have a great guest with us, very happy to welcome her into this weird world that I'm sure she's a little bit confused about very talented musician a dang rocker. It's Colleen green high. And thank you for being a part of this having me, you are a musician yet. I don't know if that necessarily means you know, anything about the rock and Roll Hall of fame, because most people. Don't. Believing that. Yeah. I in. So just to kind of get started. I'm curious if there's anything you've got knowledge wise coming into this. What's the what's the one in Cleveland? Yeah, that's one the museum. Okay. I've been there. Yeah. I went there like ten years ago. Okay. Whilst on a cross country road trip. Well, actually, when I was moving to California I stopped in Cleveland and went to the. Yeah. Did you do you remember anything of note from it? Actually, the only thing I remember is a Bruce Springsteen postcard. Okay. She was probably in the gift shop say that was probably the gift shop, as opposed to displayed. But where were you moving from Boston from Boston? Okay. Apropos. Propo- artists. Do do you remember, if you got in for free because you're musician, did you know about that little trick? I have no idea. I was most assuredly smoking copious amounts of weed on this cross country trip. And so that might explain why the details are fuzzy but no idea whatsoever. Joe told me this after I went to the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Well, it's a little trick. If number one if you're a musician, I'm not even musician. But you're musician you, you get into the museum for free, which is pretty cool and you can bring a CD to show as proof, but you don't have to give it to them, but he doesn't go in there, like, box their collection of all the visits who've is obviously, it might they might I don't know. I'm not entirely sure how that process works. You can also be like check out my website, and that's what I did, even though I'm a comedian. I just said, like, oh, I have a website and then they saw that I do have a website and they didn't really investigate any further. And then I got in for free and you have a beard at the time. Yeah. For sure. Okay. Because. Like I feel like if they went to your website and you didn't have a beard like old Joe, I'd be like that guy's not a rock that guy's not a rock band, like acapella group. For sure. Looked like someone could also see that. I had a beard in front of them. They're only this guy didn't have to look to the sky rocks. I feel like if I would have shown them, my website, they'd be like. Hitter percent theater. Colleen, are you familiar at all with the inductions that happen every year? No. Every year there are there's a new class of inductees that are inducted into the hall. Oh, yeah, I had a vague knowledge about that. I suppose. Yeah, but I don't know like who got inducted this year or last year. Ooh, dang, it was we last year, it was for that last year was a bad class worst part. I do know who got inducted these last. Now I could say off the top of my head who got interacted last year. No problem. And then I could if I searched my brain I could probably remember, who got inducted two years ago. So twenty nine thousand nine class. Can I say it right now? Okay. Stevie nicks, the cure Janet Jackson. Def Leppard Radiohead, the zombies. And there's one more it is. We saw all of these who went second. Is it someone who didn't show performed? They performed over Oxy music, or you're there. So that's a lot. Yeah, it was a big class last year and actually a pretty good one as opposed to two years ago, which was, I felt very underwhelming. Underwhelming to kind of let you in calling the premise of the shows at Kristen does not care. I don't care about the rock hall rush. I but now exam. Now, my brain is full of all of this stuff, and I tried to keep a little spigot running at the bottom at all times is leading the information flow out so that there's always time for me to forget the retention here is impressive years ago. Bon Jovi the moody blues, the cars, Nina Simone and there was one more, and it was some buddy, they did not show. They didn't show the dire straits. Oh, I can dire straits. Yeah. They didn't show their brothers than they're in pair angry. They're not brothers in arms their brothers in arms race brothers against brothers in arms folded. That's a good one. That's they don't get along the Knopfler 's. Nah. No floor. But my aunt and uncle just went to see Mark Knopfler. Not not too long ago. Actually. Oh, what does he tour as does he use your soon? Not come see the knob any reports was it? Don't I night on? Is this like with credence Clearwater where he can does he play? Oh, dire straits songs. And, and then does the rest of dire straits tour without him. And a new NOP. Ooh, I doubt it. I don't think so. Because I think if dire straits was still out there performing they would've shown up. Yeah, that's my guess, I bet that there's like a cover band, or there's, like some sort of bar band called like tired straights or something. Good name. Exists. So those, that's who's been inducted these last two years, a whole to catch you. Wow. Three women. And the why was this last one so much bigger like is that president it or is it does it change every single year? It, it varies one thing I was. Yeah, it varies it, it hasn't been seven x since like two thousand and four or something. So the class was just bigger. I think because of like they were seven acts that got enough votes to like put him over the edge. So they should be inducting at this point ten fifteen especially if acts aren't going to show up. You've got Pat, it, yeah, there's a lot of snowbirds. There's a lot of artists that should be a law jam in the queue of artists that should be end. So inducting more to kind of clear that out is a good idea. What better year than like twenty twenty to just open the flood gates? Lot of in. Although I guess it would be the twenty nineteen class right now. What was the twenty twenty nineteen? Yes. In your musician. Do you have any thoughts about the heavy having a hall of fame that musicians and artists are inducted into or you conflicted? Are you in support? Never gave it much thought actually. But yeah, I think it's fine. Right. It will, sir. Why shouldn't they to me? It's a especially the cause these inductions are concerts each each artist's plays, three, or four sentencing that nominee people. No. I mean up until I started doing this pack as I had no idea that these were concerts that happened every year that there was like a big ceremony. I thought it was more like just a list that dad doubt about every year. And then that was good. So it like it's a press release. And then everybody on I was like okay, like the have you seen prince playing while my guitar gently weeps with Tom, petty and Jeff Lynne. That is. But I remember when bean covered. Fuel was she for when Metallica got inducted? What? Right. I don't know. I don't think so she. Yeah. I think so. Are they in their Metallica? Yeah. Averill covered fucking gimme fuel. Give me fire. Give me that which I desire in what the concert induction is. Yeah, sure this matter, this is. I will say on precedent it. Huge if true, huge if true, Joe does not know and wow, from somebody who self-proclaimed does not care about. Well, listen. I just I'm trying to just care. Are you? Do you care about if I may this was at the MTV icon? Okay. All right. Which is a makes much more memorable having Averell do that is a much more MTV move than a rocker. Shame just like my brain exploded. I didn't know if that was the thing they did out of line to me, because the hall likes to bring in new Paradis. Paradis said the moment or whatever it's this wended Metallica. Probably win apple. Probably win. Labral would says and night. Oh, no. Remind I this was like, you know, two thousand three then I'd be like, yeah, probably. But the halls pretty behind. Anyway, wait. What the hell's the MTV icon awards is they give it to one artist a year. You know, is that just at the MTV as at the VM as they give the icon award, or it's the whole ceremony judging super? Yeah. Celebrating one artist for the whole thing. I it's like it's like a fly. A special thing. Yeah. Like in diary can't believe that they would do an hour on MTV about Metallica in two thousand nine that just see yet it wasn't like a watchable event. Yeah. So it's. It's a televised. It isn't. It was a televised. I just don't think they did it very often, but it was only Metallica or they Jenny for did it for four years. And how. Mattel threes. So it was just one person that you did a whole hour. I mean you're give you the rundown of who performed right? Some forty one whole guy played a medley of for whom the bell tolls enter Sandman and master puppets. You're done. There's no more of a and then I mean you, you did. Did you not suggest you those and three? Yes. Yeah, this was to. Yes. So it was perfectly Averill sweet spot. Forty one to love match after some forty one with stained performance, nothing else matters than Averil did fuel then sad, but true was performed by snoop Dogg, excuse me. Interesting. And then corn did one. Oh my God. Biscuit did welcome home sanitarium. Wow. And then metallic of this, like that was it. That was the rundown. This was televised. I can't believe I didn't watch it. Yeah. Right. It's crazy. That's two thousand three and it all case that, that to me like that is a year that you could do that. There were nine that's not. Yes. That's like a commercially viable, you got sense, given who's at top the charts. There are only three other MTV Konso. Okay, are any of them women. Yes. Great two thousand one is there's too. I mean, I'll give it away. There are two acts that were inducted this year two thousand wall, Janet Jackson, first time, they did it was Janet to two was EROs on these. That'd be so funny, two thousand two they did Aerosmith three was Metallica forward secure cured. They did they cure. I mean like interesting. We'll, but what? Yeah. And then they were done the cure. There's nobody was watching who performed at the cure icon awards. Ooh. Okay. Wait. Okay. So again, it's very two thousand and four thousand four. Okay. But we just said, all the two thousand four bands in two thousand three is incubus. No. Blink one eighty two. Yes. Okay. Is the they played their home? He's with all of this. Oh, okay. I don't know who raise her light is like ski who that, that. And then the deaf tones. Wow, the deaf tones, I try absolutely forgot they existed deaf tones, are going to be playing at the cures festival in Pasadena. Speaking of we should go to that. I grabbed a ticket. You should also grab a ticket. It's not like a seated events. I didn't have a bunch of link, but I didn't put it in my calendar. I. Well, are you familiar with that festival? It's happening. I heard a little bit about it. It's the cure for the summertime blues said the I dunno. No, there's no cure for that called cure for the summer. I you know, if you can believe it the cured did not do a pun with her name. I do believe. Like the cash you that that's weird missed a lot of opportunities. It's going to be the cure in the pixies and the deaf tone. Let's say called Gaza in the summer. Let's called Mascarenhas, honestly called something like Pasadena Daydreamer zone. That is what it's called extremely drunk. Girl came into my work the other day and was telling me about it, but I wasn't really absorbing because I was a little bit scared. Yeah. I would I would go to that, though. I think it's gonna be fun drunk role told me about it. But if Joe Tex me about having to go, yeah, I'm a drunk girl for the cure. I'll say, I'll do I'll do anything drunk girl would do for the cure, baby. Calling it. I want to know I should just say, full stop I asked you, some artists, you wanted to bring in that I had to tell you know, to your two top choices because we just did them. It was blink one eighty two and sublime the band's I actually know anything about. Well, I'm like sorry, which is so, well, I will say that. Joe text me was like Colleen wanted to do sublime. And I had to tell her. No. I'm like that is why. Yeah. What other bands have people requested that have already been done? Is this a first? We're just starting to get to the point where people are asking to do vans, and I have to say no someone had asked you the replacements. Yeah. But it is funny, that like sublime is one of the first double requested bands. That's a wile of all the bands that to me. So I just want to formally apologize on the Mike. Oh, that's okay. But you, you did end up picking an artist that I think is an interesting one to talk about which helps out. Yeah. I mean I'm hoping the and it's the band of the namesake of your hometown, or you from, or you just live there. I just lived there. I'm not from Boston. I'm from Massachusetts, though, from, I'm from a town like further north of Boston ochre, but I lived there before moving to California, is it the kind of thing where when people asked where you're from you say Boston, and then it's like when I say, I'm from Chicago, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. I lived in Chicago for ten years before I moved here. So, like I am from Chicago. But like my origins an easier shortcut. Yeah. Totally and it Scott far less syllables than saying, Massachusetts. It's a little bit less of a mouthful. I used to say just Boston, but then, like people from Boston, I started meeting, and they'd be like, oh, really where which neighborhood what? And I'd, I'd be forced to like prove myself. So I was just like fuck that, I'm I don't have time for that anymore. I'd rather just take the two extra seconds and say, I'm from Massachusetts slightly nationals, don't fucking. But in an article, it would be like Boston musician. Yeah. Or just. Yeah. Los angeles. That would just say that at this point. Yeah. That's also that's accurate. It's where you live in for quite a while. But yeah I'm from I'm from a rural area in Massachusetts. So tell me why you picked the band, Boston other than the fact that I told, you know, twice well, and then I give you a shortlist of other bands, and you're like oh, yeah. Boston works. You have Boston. Their choices were sure your ideal but yeah, Boston is a great band, they rock-hard and they're from Boston. Okay. Yeah. That, that's a pretty good thesis. Here's what I know about the band Throwdown Kristen I on my way in here. I purposely, don't look anything before I come here, so that this will be a informative for me as well. I knew I was like, I think they sang more than a feeling and that was full. Stop. I was like, I think that's Boston. It's the rain. I feel like sometimes they are brought did they don't sing not in love. That's tennessee. Right. Correct. But that's kind of a similar sounding band. I don't think she'll okay great. I time ish in a time in history from similar time in history. Sure twentieth century could be on the guardians of the galaxy soundtrack. I guess is what I'm trying to say. And that is that's right up. That's exactly what I know about Boston. And then sometimes there's talk about them being inducted. We'll the buzz are they shouldn't times in my munch. There are plenty of what you would call classic rock bands that are in the hall, right? In Boston is kind of a foundational classic rock band, like you listened to a classic rock station. You're going to hear a lot of Boston. A lot of their songs especially from their first album are played consistently at any any classic rock station in any market. Right. So that alone, especially for who the audience of the hall tends to be there brought up consistently as a snub to that set to the older. Dad rock set. Here's what I'm going to say right now, full stop, I would so much rather hear more than a feeling than don't stop believing. And on that alone makes me. Makes me like Boston interesting. Yeah. Well, do you guys know I mean yeah. Kristen you don't know anything this'll be. I mean I know things just not about Boston. I think one of the things that makes Boston a peculiar band, is that they are not actually a band. There is there a city. Okay. Okay. They are a city, thank you so much. That's been the podcast, right? Right. So, and it was a ruse that was put together to full CBS records, because there's this guy named Tom Scholes, who is the guitar player. They like sent songwriters who will it's essentially. So this guy named Tom shoals? He's a guitar player. He's also the studio is he's a multi instrumentalist he in his basement for years while he was working at polaroid and Boston. He was just putting together songs he was writing songs he had a basement studio in his apartment, and it was just kind of perfecting these songs over years. And then he knew this guy named Brad Dell who had a really beautiful vocal range, any had him, lay down some vocals over the songs that he'd written. And then sent the demo out got a lot of rejection. But eventually sent it out under the name, Thom, shawls, honestly under under the name. I think something. Like mother's milk. Yeah. All it was like, yeah. It was not called Boston just yet. Because mother's milk is a pretty, like does a tight seventy late late sixties. Seventies name. Yeah. It's grossest across, but that's like a straight up. Hey, that's like a fucking Woodstock name. It's like you have vanilla fudge mother's milk. Yeah. So he was able to get a record deal. But the record company was worried that it was just some weirdo in his basement. And they didn't want that they wanted to band, so he was like nano, it's, it's a band. And then he grabbed a bunch of dudes that he knew that and they taught them to play a few songs to play Casillas was, like bring the band to LA and perform for us because we don't believe that this is a band. And then, so he just so he just found some guys to create Boston, and they played the songs for the record company and they were like, okay, great make the album. We want it to sound exactly like the demo but you can't record it in your basement. You have to bring the band to our, why are they doing this could I, I'm not I one hundred percents very weird test. And it's like I don't know. I don't understand. They're like we wanted to. Sound exactly like the demo but don't do what you did on the demo will they don't fully know. I mean they have been there Vince dubious about this guy. I'm there, there's also, I think there were union rules that prevented the recording of album distributed by CBS not at a sanction studio. There we go. Okay. I'm like this to me that was part of it. It's all free soundcloud. I mean bedroom recordings not yet, it's a bunch of like. Business people that don't know what like the creative process means whatsoever. There's they don't they don't even like get it. You just do the same thing. But like do it under our circumstances. Yeah. And make today credit. Yeah. And that's what we can justify our jobs. Right. I think that has a little bit to do with it as the CD underbelly of the corporate side of rock and roll, and they were like you need one of our we will assign you a producer. You guys have never done anything before we wanted to sound exactly like the devils, but we're gonna make you have this producer. So they signed this guy named John Boylan to the group to, and then this, Tom guy sat down with them and leveled with him and said, like, hey, woo. Woo. I need you to sit on that couch over there. I'm at the boards man. This is how it's going to be in a sense, what he said or basement. Now he was like run interference with would you be able to run interference with the label? We're going to tell them that we're recording at their fancy studio in LA and if we need to give me a heads up, and we will create the allusion of that, but I'm gonna make the album in my basement. I'm just gonna do the whole thing by myself in the basement, and then also still playing all the instruments at this point to yes. A lot of them. I think the only the only play drums do not play drums. Yeah. But beyond that, he's doing all the overdubbed on the on the guitar and the bass in the keys. And he's putting this whole thing together in his basement. While CBS believes that there is a band, recording it in Los Angeles. Studio time is booked out. They should have donated to another band, that needed a little come up or whatever. And so he he's also a little pissed because he's like, why can't you just use my? Demos, if you want to sound exactly like that. That's what I'm screaming he understand the union stuff that that's the only thing I can get behind. I'm probably anti corporation, but I'm pro union. Sorry. So be records. I think Brad Dell the lead singer didn't even really know that there wasn't a band. It was a they were pulling the wool over everybody. And then, so he recorded the album by himself way. And then he brought Brad into his basement or into the studio in LA to his basement. I, I don't know that for sure. But I believe he was just like come. We have the stuff any new him from being in bands. How did you know all this in Boston? I knew some of it, but not all. That was like a deeper dives. But you were like you knew that this guy. Tom Scholz's is like a yeah. I knew he liked played most of the stuff and he was kind of the mastermind he made all their pedals and made their amps and stuff that they use he made there. And he's also had a mechanical engineering degree from MIT. Yeah, he was. He was a very accomplished engineer and inventor, he made this, he made this amplifier that, like a lot of bands, the rock mail. Yeah. The rock, man. It's called the Rotman. Yes. Sure. Very creative. Honestly. I'm into this in the rock. The point is like it's like bypasses and amp right? Like essentially, as an amp it's like a small amp that you can connect directly into the board. Yeah, I want you to know I was coming into this being like, wow. Boston whatever. And now genuinely interested in. That's very cool. That's a cool thing. He made technology to among among many things he was running in Destin operation to outsmart the suits. Yes. Tom show. It's an it's an interesting story. Yeah. He, he was like this, mad genius this mad scientist making these like perfect little pop songs by himself. And then inventing amps and shit, the Rotman. Did you do so people still use it? I think so. Proprietary technology like Dickie wouldn't. And then I think he sold it to Dunlap eventually but yeah. Have you ever used a rock, man? I have not. I don't really use gear. Nah, not really have a few things here. And there you know what does the rock do? So like bypasses like using an amp like instead of putting your return to an amp and putting a microphone in front of the amp it will serve as a tiny, little amp. Correct me if I'm wrong calling that you, plug your guitar into and then plug that into the board. So it's, he's plug it into like the sound system. So instead of lugging like this big, amp actually I do have a Sanam, which is the same basic idea idea. Yeah. Like it's just it looks like a guitar pedal. And so, I don't have to lug around, like a huge camp that like the sound comes out of that. So I just played my guitar into this little pedal, and then plug that into something like this into the into the, the big speakers in the venue or whatever, you know when to our board we have a sound board. We have a very professional looking sound. Yeah. Got a lot of is gala buns. We know what six of them do. And one of them, we learned on accident, echo, echo, especially to learn sometimes. Yeah. But yeah, we could plug the man into the sport. Oh tight. Yeah. And then it would come through there as, as an amplified guitar or, or, you know, whatever we're plugging into the rock, man. That sounds cool. Yeah. And he term. Yeah, you invested a lot of stuff. But it's, it's a weird thing because especially back then this concept of one person being the rock band was very new and to the point where he had to keep it a secret because it would upset people. Yeah, I can tell you that, but there are guys who were in Boston who were not really in Boston. Now they have like a million different members to like over the years. It was a very like rotating cow. This is gonna perte introduction are. Right. No. It is. Yeah. What like were they friends at all? Did they, they, they only bands house, Doug, it was like this guy played in that band with this guy? And that's how he knew this guy from them. And it's just like. Just like local, Boston area bar bans sealing away. The band was the city of Boston in a way if they if they abduct Boston, I think the only person they should induct is the city of Boston. Now it's really they've main character. I just think they should induct at all that. Full stop. Matt damon. Yeah. Them in there. Now we're the city bands, like was Chicago around at this point was like. Chicago came around the late sixty is okay. I think that's why they were just. Well, it was actually that guy John Boylan came up with the idea. And like the whoever the engineer was in those sessions, they're like, oh, just go both in right? Yeah. They probably trying to be like mother's milk. Boy, that'd be a harder sell. So, yeah, they were kind of jumping on the train, I think may be Kansas, Kansas to the kind kinda the spire America America, the site specific bans, okay? Grab show it to feel more like a contemporary bay instead of calling themselves mother's milk, or whatever you really I mean that is some that really is a Woodstock name, do it, really, it goes it upsets me. Yeah. Well, so the name of that, red hot chili peppers album. Yeah. Mother smell which I read Anthony Keita's, autobiography recently. And he said the flea named the album net because his wife had just had a baby, and he's like oh, you know, watching that stuff. What the hell is? Hey, honey. What's called was coming out of there. Oh, okay. I had lunch, we've been close proximity to flee recently, and I texted Joe, too late after I didn't get a picture of him or anything like that. But cafe gratitude there was fleet five feet from fleet him that was me. Flee could have hopped from him to me. That's how close we weren't incredible stuff. Thank you. So they're the hall is a weird thing Colleen, and they don't exactly publish or make a public how or why artists are inducted that was, I was going to ask that, like, I was going to ask, is it like the type of thing. That's like the Hollywood walk of fame, where people can just be like I deserve one of those and then can just pay. Not exactly. So the only criteria is twenty five years after your first recording you become eligible, right? Like so we're getting into it was like a Golden Globe, where like you could just like no whisper campaign show. Not. I mean, the, the deal with the Hollywood walk of fame is, it's literally like you apply for one if, if you pay for it, they'll give it to you, what it, and that they don't make that a secret dollars or something, right? Yeah. You, you just like what? Yeah, that's what. Yeah, there's no real rhyme or reason, it's literally an. Again. I don't think they make it private or anything. They are just like yeah. If you pay us, then we'll give it to you. I mean like if you're famous, you're famous, like you have to apply, and they're like, if you meet the threshold than will get one for you. Yeah. Right. I think so. And that's why there are other people. Yeah, you got the money. I got the time. I don't know if people do it for others. But it's that's why like you know, there's no real like Mel Brooks. Got one recently, I think, because it was just like, well, I guess I'll have one, it's not. There's and then like, nece- Nash got one recently. It's just like if you want wine and you're famous, you can have one. Then you have to pay to does out Vira have one, I guess that's my big question. Oh, I don't know if L Vira has one there are so many okay? There's also had to pay for its upkeep. I'm sorry to our listeners. But I am intrigued we then if you start why is that? Why? I was. Yeah. Dr getting destroyed all the time. Does he have to pay to get it fixed? That's why it keeps getting fixed. Probably god. But I think if you decide you don't wanna pay anymore. They just take it away where. Yeah. So because there's some old stars on that thing for those to be up kept. Yeah. But let's say you don't pay for its upkeep. But maybe don't people don't trust tread on your starve often, and it's just fine. I mean, I think upkeep costs probably aren't much right? I mean upkeep just in terms of, like you're a CPA hit up there renting, all like what it means you stop paying than like, all right? They're going to take it out. I see, but so the rocker hall of fame is not like that. Okay. Okay. It is there's a committee of people who come up with a list of names every year, and then that goes out to a larger body than they vote, and then five or seven acts get in every year but beyond the twenty five year eligibility thing, there's no real criteria for who gets into the hall, but because I suck I have. Come up with a list of criteria that I think, is a pretty good measure of if an artist is going to get into the rocker hall of fame. So why don't we go through the criteria and judge Boston to see what their merits are? And let's do that after a little break. Welcome back everybody. I hope you're break was fruitful and full of good fortune. Yes. That's my whole fruit. But okay. You know what we I think? As a nation as a culture, I think we could all stand to eat a little bit more fruit. So I like that. Delicious in season piece of produce of your chosing and also that you got a text message from someone you like ooh. Okay. Yeah. I also I hope that happened for you. And, you know, maybe they used the peach emoji. That's, that's a text message. There you go. Now we go. All right. So let's go through these credit credit urea. Let's go through these criteria slash categories and judge criteria gardens worth as potential rock hall inductees. So I should say Boston has been eligible for the rock hall since the two thousand two ceremony that some people are annoyed that they're not in, I think, so, especially if your view of rock is classic rock. So let's talk about the first category. Critical acclaim now that's the gimme the goods on this one. Yeah. Boston. Is not a critic spanned. You would put them in the category of a people's people's band. Their populous choice. Yeah. In, you know, they kind of make sense. In terms of the hall has been pretentious in the past. But now, they're starting to be more populist with bands, like Bon Jovi bands like journey rush artists that they had ignored for a long time. But now they're getting around to it seemed like kiss would never get in. Because of who was in control. But you know they are. Yeah. And John, they'll alive. Yeah. Who let yawn winter made a claim about his dead body, kisses induction happening over it, and yet yawn winters alive kiss bend over his alive. Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't say Boston, that's right over his alive body. I wouldn't say Boston scores a lot of points in the critical, acclaim category. Yet, are they on anybody's yet? Does does anybody? Let's. You're going to talk about lists. Well, yeah. Talk about the next category is classic albums. Now here's the thing. Colleen, brought us an album via Darryl physical vinyl album, vinyl, l p record in Alpi record along play record. If I may see it. Boston's daily this their self titled first album and what you, you could make an argument the only album it's the best album. Like so this every track on this album gets play on classic rock radio. Some more than others, obviously. But I have heard every single one of these songs on classic rock radio. Okay. And we'll get we'll get it all really songs later. Okay. Well let's the album cover for. Yes. It's it's a guitar entering scratch. That's also shade Blitar. There's a city on top in the inside the there. Taking Boston space. What, what Boston, but they're taking Boston into space, I'd be I say it's time maybe it's an illusion. I mean they're taking it away from earth. Earth is exploding on it or is earth. Just a glow. Maybe they just rocked it too hard. They had to get out of there. I don't know. I said that it reminded me of the pinball animation from Sesame Street. And that will connect with someone out there. Boston pinball machine, I wouldn't be that will. Yeah, I really looks like very much of the pinball era. This is the Tommy, who this has got that kind of, like, I don't know. It's gotta be always brightness of it in the space theme would make for good pinball machines nineteen seventy six CBS, Inc. So this album is was the fastest and bestselling debut album of all time for a while until appetite for destruction this album sold seventeen million units, which makes it a diamond certified seventeen times platinum this album was huge. This was a crazy surprise, huge hit, because I don't think CBS was expecting this brand new, quote unquote, band to be this massively popular, but this is specifically for its. Popularity and because of all those tracks. Considered a classic album to some now, the Rolling Stone said they did not put that album on their list of the five hundred greatest albums of all, what do you think that there's that's some elitism, right there? I think so. Yeah. So I think that's, that's a distinction because on also on the back it shows all of the members, it's berry. Tom sip Bradley and Fran. All done have facial hair, except Tom, Tom is like the clean shaven. Clearly he. He he's got like a gauntness. He's got very good bone structure. Also on the back of the record says, boy, it's just if you're looking for something to tell you that the band in question is composed of nearly notable, former members of various bands are how many jam sessions the drummer said in on with rock superstars who are now dead or disabled or retired. Forget it that is what is throwing a punch shoop groups. I see going after like Emerson lake and Palmer. I see hanging fruit there. I mean so this is the only thing that could even be considered a classic album. What happened after this? So, like I said, Tom show spent a lot of time, perfecting these songs, and then they signed a six-year, ten album deal, which back then was standard, but is a lot of records to foot out about time albums in six years. Can some of them just be like live albums? Live albums. Hits compilations counts. That's I think that's why a lot of artists put out greatest hits Adams quickly, and I think why beside compilations and live albums were popular because these record deals only. Yeah, that's fulfill that contract, by the way, they did not do ten albums in six years, because that's a crazy and no one can ever. There's never gonna be good. That you're not gonna make good music time. You gotta let the music happen man interest. Again. It's creativity. That's the creative people versus the business people. Unlike how long Tommy been in his basement toiling away like these, like masterpiece songs, or whatever, like five or six years, and then they're like, okay, cool. Do that ten times, more six months like that's crazy. Yeah. So there was a lawsuit, because he did not fulfill his contractual obligations a lawsuit that he did win. But yes, CBS was very mad because it took him along. These. The follow up to this debut album don't look back was twenty nine minutes because he felt so rushed. Yeah. And they needed to put out an album and it still took like maybe two or so years, which was a long time, especially if you're trying to fulfill that contract. Oh my God. And then the one if you break that contract to they get some money from you, you get sued. But then, you know he was able to just like crazy to ask them in the beginning. I think I think he won that especially because the record company started withholding royalties from him, which is sending you cannot do, but they're thinking was he's not fulfilling his contract, and we need him to get to work on the next album. We'll keep the money that is owed to him, which is a very sneaky, assholes. Yeah. That's uncool, not cool, bro. Man. So really, I mean, the kind of classic era of Boston was only three albums over the course of ten years. Now, if I may, yes. Are we going to move to the songs? Yes, yes. Let's, let's do that. So I can't expect recognizable songs on this album side, one, I can sing all three of the side one songs, which is more than a feeling. And then peace of mind is like on. All kind of the same song. Yes. Bosh good. This Austin sound is consistent to the point of maybe being a little repetitive. Yes. Because longtime foreplay I was singing to myself during the break for you. Really knew what it was even knowing that, that was the name of the song. But that is probably the one that I like the most because it's taking goes. Very good breakdown. That's a great breakdown down the, the the, the four play part is like this really long like origami intro pass. That's the first song he wrote to you wrote it like in the late sixties and his mother. Math. So side one that's like you put that on a party. You just let her go. No problem every schlongs. Everybody knows. We to side to yes. And the first song is rock and roll band. Does it go like this? Uh-huh. We're argue roll band. Yes. Wait, really? I was just guessing. So I'll play if you want. Everybody's way getting crazy to soup. Okay. I'll play for you just play the breakdown from longtime just when we're done with all the song, for sure. All right. So this is rock and roll band. That's the thing. So, yes. Yes. Okay. I don't know that I've ever heard that song. Okay. It's that's a staple of classic rock. Okay. The next spoken where does it go? Like I was about to sing slow ride to the tune of smoke smoke. I think you might know this one, too, because this is another classic to the tune of fool. It's a smoke and no. Oh, I do. Yeah. This is a more. This one is. Yeah. Okay. And then the other one hits your ride is not hitching a ride. That's dragging the line. I know. No hit, you ride a which I'll play this now. Now we're starting to get into the ones that are deeper cuts, but I still have heard on the radio. My favorite song, I think on this. Mm-hmm. Oh, I have really also this group. It's this one is a little more acoustic. Doesn't have that like space guitar sound that. Like the other one said, why do you like this song so much head your I'd? Yeah. I just think it's a really beautiful song. I think it's well I thought it was about. So I thought for a long time that Brad Dell wrote the lyrics since he he's a singer. I just realized that, like, that's not true. But, like, I think he ended up he did maybe wrote one of these okay, well, so Brad dealt the singer committed suicide a few years ago. And so, after that happened like listening to hitch a ride after that event, I was just like whoa, this guy was like super sad, and I just like assumed that song was about, like, dying you and like so it kind of like, I don't know. I just think that's like a really, really beautiful song. And it's like tennis add and yeah, a little a little bit of a departure. For the sound because the first different sound does not sound like side one, right? Yeah. Del p- did. Right. The last track, which will get to in a second. But something about you is after hitch a ride, you probably that's another really big hit to let me take you home tonight. But how does something out you go? Here we go. This is not peace of mind. Your positive, okay? I mean like that's it. That's peace of mind. Okay. I don't know that I've ever heard something that works. Yeah. And then show bread dope did did. Right. Let me take you home tonight, which let me take you home to that was close. But. I was thinking take me home tonight. Oh, but like you got a shocking was pretty ongoing. Here's let me take you home tonight. Oh, oh, I have heard this song before this is a nice. It's great. This is a very nice sauce we year, and this is another different one hit, you ride, and let me take you home tonight, have a similar shopping softer more toned down by, and I think let me take you home tonight, actually does have the band on it like it has those dudes on the on the back of the album as opposed to the other tracks. Which only, I think. Foreplay longtime. I think has some of those guys on it, but other than that, like it's all Tommy boy. Good Germer play that under it huge acid Haitian advise drums on it. Pretty much is like crushing it. As far as the looks are concerned. He's number one, all got strong looks berries in a different band. I feel like berry has really tried to appropriately milk. The hell his association with Boston and was like hanging hanging out with Mike Huckabee who was using more than a feeling for one of his campaigns and Tom show has got really mad and wrote a pretty strongly worded letter where he was like for you. Tom was interesting that you use the song more than a feeling with a guy who basically was not in Boston, and certainly didn't play on that song, and isn't in it in the band now in any New York Asian. And also, I don't like you. And nothing that you do with your politics, agrees with anything, like, literally, you could cut Barry out of this picture, and it would not it would be so easy. So their follow up did have a few red. He's read everybody else's wearing black with us a little dash of white on Brad good for him. A follow up to their self titled album called don't look back which the title track you might recognize this is another song that gets played a lot of bad. Yes. Again, you keep nailing. I'm not in love. But you're good. All right. So listen. I definitely heard this song yet this would gets play a lot. This is on the radio a point. I couldn't tell where the words don't look back in this. It's like it's one of those songs where it's like the first thing they say. Oh, wow. That's got some. This is in Boston s. Ben also from that record is. Yes, is a song called feeling satisfied which also gets a decent amount of player. I don't think I've heard that fueling the beginning of feel unsatisfied sands, almost identical to the beginning of rock and roll band, seriously beginning of feeling satisfied. Use the beginning of rock and roll band. Excuse me. Yeah. It's literally, the same chord almost the same is that everybody talk about that. No, I don't think those songs are big or important enough for people to really pointed out. But yeah, that's kind of a thing about Boston is you don't maybe fully know what the song is until thirty seconds in unless you really know this song. Yeah. I think of it as like thinking about them in the abstract. I'm like, which one. But then, like when you're listening to an album like it's clear. Yeah. Which one is which, but I also like that, like I love it, when bands have such distinct sound like you could hear it anywhere. And be like oh yeah. This is Boston. Well, yeah. Also. That's like what you like about, you know, if you like a band sound, that's what you're looking for is more of that thing. You like right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's a little bit of, like, yeah, that guitar sound is so specific in his so Boston, but you also want with. The band ideally like a little bit of variation. Right. Or like a little bit of evolution soft. Stocks are different. You have hit you, right? And let me take you home run. Well, one of their songs feeling. One of their softer songs was on their third album. It was song called Amanda, which well can number one. This is this. What's interesting about the song? It went to number one. It was their most popular song, technically char wise. I know you said, you knew it. No, but I could not tell you what. But this is not a sign that gets played in. It's not does doesn't show up on the radio anymore. Yes, I definitely. I remember the sun came out in the eighties. Maybe. Yeah, I remember as younger child hearing this. That's how how far they're the scope of their influence goes, though. Because you said you had no idea anything about Boston whatsoever. Right. Yeah. You like knew all the songs you sang along to Hawaii, you, Amanda. Definitely and for sure. Well, that's I mean, I, I always know, more than I think. Right. Yeah. And I always know more than Joe things. I do. We believe or think that any of those songs made it to rolling stone's five hundred greatest songs list if one of them deserves it in my opinion, it is longtime because that's kicks ass. Longtime is not. They do have a song, like which song, do you think it's more than a feeling? Right. What number do you guys think it is on the list of the five hundred greatest songs of all time, Rolling Stone is like two thousand four seventy two Colleen, what do you think? Three seventy eight. Guys, more than a feeling by Boston number eight to number five hundred. I'm I'm good at this. And then when they, they updated it for two thousand ten off. Yeah. But that is, I think it is a fun distinction, if you number five hundred I was going to say that, but I felt it a little too outlandish. Yeah. That's what is, what is more outlandish than taking a guitar spaceship, up until the galaxy to save only the city of Boston from the exploding earth, Novo, I'm wondering now, because these ships have other cities in them, but maybe they're, they're all just carrying the city of Boston, maybe different neighborhoods. Oh, no. Look. They do have different cities in them. Yeah. Everyone's got it escape on the rock ships as they exchange. One Kansas, and the, the prophecy, was foretold. You're nineteen Seventy-six. We will rock to hard. We will rock so hard of the planet each city will have to designate a rock band to fly spaceship. Okay. So the next. The next totally a movie script that got. So, yeah, the next categories commercial success, which does this count as one of our mandatory albums rate. Can we just? His Teva sci-fi script. All right. The next categories commercial success, which we talked about like that. I album is one of the most popular selling albums of all time, and that diminishing returns after that. But, you know, the, the next few still reached platinum, if not multi-platinum I think the next one was seven times platinum. So they were very, very popular and they're still very popular in there. Even with the small amount of records, still one of the highest selling groups of all time. No doubt about it really. I mean. I they really they, they took me by surprise vici you on a bit of a ride. I hitched her. Into space next category is longevity. They had about ten years, seventy six and then Amanda that third album was about eighty six and that was kind of their last gasp before, you know, then, you know, Tom shows takes a long time to make his records, the next one was, like ninety four and it's over for bands like Boston. Oh by the time you're rolling grunge era Boston putting a band a record on ninety four. Yeah. Anything did it go did note any but do you know anything probably did you listen to it? I did not listen to anything from that I might know a song or two because I think it might have made the greatest hits album, which listened to a lot when I was in eighth grade in Boston was my favorite band gravy. Yeah, for sure. Then I discovered other bands athletes was the end of that. Wow. But I have a soft spot. I you have a soft spot favorite band was her. Dad really in Boston. No into classic rock was into classrooms, radio. And I heard more than a feeling. And I was like, what is this? And it was like these guys have more songs I'm into it. That's awesome Upshur teed. Wow. Eighth grade. I'm like, who was my favorite band in eighth grade? I loved CeCe. Peniston. And arrested development the developers pretty gross. And maybe like case, seven. All right. Mix. I'm just trying to think of the CD's that I owned in eighth grade. Yeah, I think those were like the first three CDs that I purchased green day Dookie colleague, do you remember, the first albums you purchase slash who you into eighth grade in eighth grade. I was completely obsessed with sublime. They're my favorite band since I was eleven years old. They were my favorite band, and I was completely obsessed with them. And didn't really I listened to other stuff that was like on the radio or whatever. But like that's yet stark for an eleven year old. I it was quite sprightly. Yeah. But they're like the they package it they package it in a in a bounce package. Doc plays reading we come on. Have you guys heard? There is a cover of doing time out there right now. It was released very recently by Fulham by sublime with Rome. No. Well they do a cover every night. Lana del Rey. That I've been tree that I know would who told her to do that. Damn. I heard on the radio dot her Hollywood star. Yes. She will. I have nothing against Lana del Rey. But it's I also don't know much about Lana Satan. Yes, she did. She did a cover of time that came out very recently. Yeah. Lana. Wow. What? I, I mean I I'd be interested to hear what that's, that's all. It sounds like what you would think it would sound like when I heard my thoughts. Yeah. Yeah, I was like this. Is this Lana del Rey? And yep. Sure was next category is innovation slash influence. Now, the influence I don't really know if there are. I was trying to think of how that song goes and I. Aaron Neville, did a cover to you. It sounds, I mean, I have always thought that the way he sings relationship is very heavily probably a huge Aaron Neville, Neville fan. And never got good taste in music. I mean what Bradley. No is isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Sounds close to level. No. Come on. We're talking about Boston. Tom Schultz, like has a lot of influence. I mean, yeah, I think Boston definitely has a long standing influence, but. Elaborate, maybe Tom shows should just be in the well. No, you can't discount Brad dealt. Because he's like one of the best singers in yesterday. He's a great Ruxton really great rock singer. Right. I just can I for a second. I've been holding in looking at this album, the whole time since we started talking about Boston, and it's really helpful to me as a visual aid to get into this year. But I do love that at the very bottom. It says warning all rights reserved unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws. And I'm just thinking about the time when people were really worried about people like duplicating these vinyls and I'm thinking about where we are now streaming. It's what acquaint time. Yeah. Gosh, I think shoals and by extension Boston were innovative, especially with, like that gear that he made. But I when we think about influence, I time capsule to me like. Only bans that in, in artists that came after them that you can draw a specific influence from Boston guitar knees. Okay, go, go ahead. Go off. We're well. He was like a pioneer in just like guitar harmonies because he was really into like classical music and stuff, too. Right. Okay. Then like actual like musical like theory. Right. So he was incorporated, those influences into rock and you think that who has done. I'm influenced by them, whenever I am trying to write guitar riffs. And I want like a nice little harmony on on guitar layer. I'm always like what would Boston do? Okay. That's great direct influence. You've seen it strike. Think the time has been pretty good to Boston in, in the sense that they run the posting voice for corporate rock in, in the in the days of their success. They were the, you know, the slick rock and roll record was not something that was very cool to do in the age of punk. You know, foreigner Boston journey, these were not cool bands, because they were produced like it down to a science. Yeah. Whereas the cool thing was to be the Ramones or to be the Sex, Pistols, and be. Messi in raw in, in LA feel alive. Right. But when, I think, and also, I think as they as Boston has been discovered to be just this one guy, I think that was not a cool thing. But is a cool thing now. It's certainly more ubiquitous now. Yeah. When you think of, like I mean, I was thinking, like LCD sound system. Right. It's just one guy. And we love it. Right. It's like is considered to be an achievement. And I think with time we can kind of look at what Tom shows did as a similar kind of achievement although the music is, you know, has that she's factor that I think hurts it. Yeah. I think that like the idea of Boston has been traded while by time. But I don't think that the, the music I Tim like I said it feels like a time capsule. Like you hear you've. Music and you are like that, is that time. It's like some music from the eighties, that is just like whoa. Okay. I know one we are, you know. Like very seventies music, do which I love right? And it's okay to love now but I guess what I meant was we are at a point now, especially, I think there's something with being okay with pop music right now. It we've come around on that. Yeah. We're not hating on it the way that we used to. But he's also the you know there's going to be a backlash again. Maybe you're always will the pendulum will always swing. But right now, we are in bracing, like it's, it's very Chilin cool to like Taylor, swift and Carly. Richard job soon, that is accepted in not a lame. Yes, you appreciate pop production. I still think it's lame. But. Whereas like like to like Britney Spears back in the day was kind of lame. And I guess what I mean is, like now, people are owning it. Yeah. And like it's okay now to own that you like Boston or like that, you like electric light orchestra bands that were not cool to like back in the day is kind of how I feel if I may be so wild. All right. Does the last category? Does my mom know them and the answer is definitively. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah, my mom probably has seen Boston in concert. I went so Boston with my parents when I was in high school, Brad dealt was still alive, but they were so bad or awful. Where did you see them because Tom Ridge play all the all the instruments at once? No, I don't know what I mean. It was the set list was bad. It was a long stretches of stuff from their new album corporate America. No. And it was just like not. They weren't super dynamic or exciting. They were just they felt old and the songs were not great and world. They were they're older now. They keep getting older seconds tick by truly and dealt couldn't hit the notes anymore. So there was someone else. They're kind of like helping him. There were like two singers. It was yeah. It was it was very underwent. How long ago was this, this would have been two thousand three to those four, I think, okay? Yeah. Not so fifteen years ago. Yeah. We are your parents think, though, I think there were like whatever. Yeah. They're kind of going for me. The, the we're the weirdo. I mean, they're also like this could be fun. But you know they're not they're not one of their bands. Very cute that your parents took you to stay. I just. Yeah. It was very cool. I, I would assume you guys mom's would know the band, Boston Fisher. Absolutely. Yeah. Passed that test quite well. Let's do the verdict should Boston. Rocker hall of fame will they be inducted? And if so, when we'll start with Kristen. Oh, wow. This is a weird one for me. Because I have come to really appreciate it. Enjoy Boston through this conversation, which is good. But I think we're through it in my opinion, we don't need to be clearing out this era of music, knowing that he had innovation as far as like like technology is concerned at cetera. Makes me think that perhaps you put in Tom shoals in some kind of side category. I don't know. But to me, I don't think we need Boston in the rock hall. I think they could get in. But I, I don't know. I don't think we I like them. But I yeah. I think that they might get in. But that it just depends on which way the hall goes, I think right now we're really at across after twenty eighteen it's almost like you'd say this could realistically then after twenty nineteen it's like, maybe we're going away from me. That's exactly what I mean. It's like right now we're either headed into the eighties solidly moving forward trying to get different types of band trying to get more diversity of music in the hall. This is a real. This would be a real throwback. I feel like if they got in it would have to be in the next five years because otherwise, I don't think then it's nice bar then it's like then, then it's, then it's passed them by. I don't know if you do not recall, the Senator six oh, I believe Boston was on. There was it? Yeah. Oh, in foreigner was the reason that list the sinister six which were the six artists, I were worried. If they showed up on the ballot they would get an immediately in one of the reasons why I was upset was because we were coming off of twenty eighteen. We were coming off of Bon Jovi in the moody blues and dire straits, and it felt like okays next year, it's just grabbing her costing. And but after twenty nineteen I'm a little s- I've softened on that stance a little bit because we had such a good year. So if next year it ended up being something like you throw in a foreigner with still other good bands. I'm fine with that. Yeah. I mean, I'm not mad I won't be mad. If Boston gets in, but, you know how I really want just only women to be inducted for the nighttime. I think that'd be pretty chill. That would be cool with me. Right. Carleen. What do you think? Should they will? They I think they should. Yeah. Just judging on like the other people that have been in there. I think Boston has a legacy and if we're talking about rock and roll, like, they're they have probably one of the most recognizable songs in rock and roll history. And whether it's like pop or commercial or what? You have to admit that it's a fucking amazingly well, written song. There's a reason why like there's a reason why this is so popular like critically acclaimed or not, there's a reason why it's so popular and it's still so popular like today. Right. Thirty plus years later, manages to still good. Yeah. Because it's good. Yeah. And yeah, I mean more than a feeling alone. Like, I think that's one of the best in like most well, written songs not to mention that it's a song about music, like about how amazing and like touching. The experience of music is, and I think that I think they deserve it, it would be a fun way to open a ceremony Djuric, if they could kick ass, though. I mean, we'll, we'll talk about that in a second like we do know now that they do not kick ass in. They are missing there. Lead vox. Yeah. You need him in there. So you think they should you? They will. I have no idea. Maybe. Yeah, I am split. I'm pretty torn about Boston when it comes to my verdict. On some level. The thirteen year old ways the crowd wants the thirteen year old Joe is like absolutely get him in there. Why aren't they? I. They, they weren't a band, which is, you know, the, the ruse of it, all, I don't know, if that affects me much I do think it's funny, they have a song called rock and roll band, were they talk about, like playing in bars and this some of the lyrics in that song are very bad. They rhyme bars with Cadillac cars, which is very silly. But that song is a fantasy and I it sounds like it's auto biographical, but it's not because they did not do that. Should they? I don't know. Will say, well Joe. Milk, toast is a wishy-washy. What's happening here. I think they are the hard choice for me. I did it. They're so low on the priority list. I just don't think. And when it comes to these types of bands, I, I want, I just wanna put them in the lower tiers of this decade. And yet there is no way to do that. The hall is for all it's only one hall I have a foul. Yes. Please. Like, who cares? A boat. It doesn't matter. If Boston gets into the rock and Roll Hall of fame, or not, 'cause they rock, you know, we know that Optum rocky. Yeah, it doesn't change. We're Ross's house. Okay. Right. You know what that helped me Colleen because I think Tom Scholz's would care, I right? Yeah. I think I think if Tom shoals was inducted Boston was inducted, I think it would be, I think it would mean a lot to Tom shoals, which has turned me into saying, Boston should be in duck. I thought it was going to go the other way where he's like you're right. Who cares? They don't need to be in all the band's care. That's one of the reasons why I really enjoy the induction ceremonies is you get to see ackknowledgement for these bands, and you get to see that it really matters to them. And I think that's straits though. That's no, they now have although some of them did show up and it did matter to them. But it was not an awfully or so who gives a ship. Will they get in? I think Kristie, right. If it doesn't happen in the next ten years, or something, it's hard to envision it ever have. I mean they're still trying to go back and clear out some doo-wop groups. I mean we I just yeah. I mean, I feel for people off probably over. But, like, yeah, well, let's talk about if they get inducted who they induct with Boston single person who ever played it on an album, fight me. I don't care put them all in. Well, here's, here's the deal. Kristen. There members of the band, quote unquote, who didn't really play on a novel. So that's where it gets tricky. Now, grab time you had definitely induct Brad and Tom. But, like Chris. So you say you don't care, put them all in whatever. But, like if someone like berry Gujral, who didn't really don't want burying. He's the one I don't want wearing red. He's out the basis of EBay sister, whatever who didn't really play on that album, Fran. Yeah. Do they get in an Icee? No because they didn't really play on this album. What does it mean to, like put each individual member? And you can't just put the band Boston like the idea of the band of Boston, quote unquote, individual the individual members get a statue just put the idea of the band of Boston in and give a little statue to Tom and give one to like, Brad, mom or something, right? Well, that's I guess that's the thing is. Damon and Bana than Africa's what I'd be okay with giving it to this drummer, because he played on those albums. Save -sation. And he's got the best effort on the album. But I think you stop it there. I don't think you give it to those other guys even he didn't play on though. He would regard place though, too eventually eventually. But he played on this first two albums just us three guy. So nobody else. No. 'cause they didn't. They weren't. They were part of the fake band. They weren't part of the real band. So I really have. No. You know, we could pretend no skin in this. I. Yeah, but I just mean like I don't want to. Here's a hard question who inducts them? Oh my. That's a question you honor them and induct them at the ceremony. I don't know. I tried to look up like who has done covers of Boston's on del Rey. That's sublime cover. Has anybody covered any it'd be pretty hard? Five, I guess, Keith urban occasionally dies. Some Boston song, honestly, that would be a straight up hall move. Billy Joel played more than a feeling once at Fenway park a longtime ago. There just weren't a lot of covers when I was, I was checking out, set lists dot FM to see who had covered Boston songs. I also I dug up when VH one made a list of the one hundred greatest hard rock artists, and it was a TV special. And I watched Boston segment, hard rock's, Boston were on. They were on that list. They do rock. Are they do rock? They're not like hard rock. It's interesting because that list is mostly, like it's like ACDC Metallica. Sure, you know, guns, N roses van Halen. And then yeah. At the time, though, like they did they were considered hard Bremmer heaven, even kiss, like you hear kiss today and they were considered like the most satanic like dark band in the world. But there's there's so poppy. And we for just a moment. Talk about the term hard rock. Why where how are you going in search? I had bang to it. I think rock will in like the Hard Rock Cafe. Like how, how did that start? I mean, maybe that's just another episode. That's episode. Players a fork in the road, and it's hard rock on one side and soft rock on the other, which is not rock and roll in the more it. All right. What do you mean? Like, like we don't really talk about hard rock anymore. No. Because there have been better terms coined like heavy metal and life. Got more specific. Yeah. Branched off his for say, sub-genre, soft rock also that used to be such a fricken burn. And now it's like that was also a format of radio station format but do station still say we'd be called easy listening place for soft rock at the office, right? Yeah. It's light rock or easy listening. He's an he seals and Crofts music you can music you can fall asleep your work. Yeah. Like, yeah. Exactly like keeping you happy through your workday music, that your boss won't get angry. Interesting thing about, like rock and roll like when rock and roll I came about. It was like chubby checker and Jerry Lee Lewis and stuff like that, where you wouldn't really call that hard rock. But then, so when like people I like a lot far. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, watching that special, they do, there's a lot of talking heads of artists talking about not hard rocky heads are Boston. There's a lot of suicide basically like a very quick documentary, or, you know, whether you know how those VH1. lists aren't they package someone who talks about, like, oh, you know, the person who talked about liking Boston, and the production of that first album, the most was Richie sambora from Bon Jovi, which, I guess, I could they were you could get Ritchie or John. Yeah. To do it and I kind of see the natural progression. Mary natural. Of a heavier guitar sound with pop perfection. I guess, sponge, Lovie, that is that, that to me that I think that's it. I who else Billy Corgan was another one was interesting. But I kind of I could kind of see that because he some of those smashing pumpkins records are very precise and intricate and then also weirdly slash slash was said something like they were good. It was like a very thing. So I don't wanna see slash give speech ever. I dunno. I bet he good when he accepted the award. I don't think he talked for like, three second. He was like I didn't want to come here but I me for the fans. Yes, exactly. Not what three songs set that Boston would. Album, one side, one stop played in that order or played played it actually mind foreplay longtime actually play it in the opposite. Start with four play longtime because it starts at the Oregon, downplay peace of mind than finish on more than a feeling than the crowd is like, yes, we love it or just played side. One of the album, if they're not doing a good job live. And then I would say if they do a fourth song, maybe rock and roll band. They got play rock and roll band. Yeah, that's the most like I once again, do not remember the rock, you're on you because it sounds just think of one of their other songs that is. I get that much. It's just a pay in. Okay. Rock and roll, man. Then I think about who would be playing those songs and it's like Tom, and then a bunch of ringers, which makes me feel sad, but but I love I mean a ringer is a ringer for a reason. So they're doing good. Hey, man. I'm for ring loud rating, dang baby do it. I mean it's not like something with, like the Monkees where it's like somebody else entirely wrote, there's on's, and they're just up there like, yeah, kind of it's a puppet show like at least he wrote all the songs in, like if he's still his got Tom up there. It's it's worth it. Let's just had one song writer and then the rest of the guys were just like, okay, you can you play that they were like that. Although it is it is a shame that, that without Brad because his voices. So distinctive an iconic in connected to their sound and also very difficult that he, you know, took his own life. Yeah. Let's high yield himself in his bathroom with charcoal grills, what yeah, really. Four five. Wow. If it's sad. And then I think he's also like elaborate, I did not. I, I have thought to you, I think two girls drag them in there. It's the door shut. Yeah. Complex, and I think bread dose wife, tried to sue. Tom shoals saying that, like it was their relations in the ban that led to that, which is an affair thing do in that did not go anywhere. But that is a. Yeah. Sorry didn't mean to bring it on down. We'll, hey Colleen, thanks. Noakes the show that will that will do it for this episode. Thank you for being here calling. Thanks for having me, let the people know where they can find you online or where they can purchase your music. Yes, you can find me. I don't know. Just Google me, Colleen, green. Find your Twitter exams. Yeah. Pauline. Green four twenty on the social needs. Check me out in a city near you, this union, July. Oh, great. Full store. Hell. Yeah. Nice. And then yeah. You you've got music that people can purchase online and share. Yeah. Ben camp calling green dot and camp dot com or you can visit my labels website. Hardly art dot com. Awesome and Colleen, a great musician. I'm a fan you can contact us rock hall pod at Jimoh dot com. At rock hall pod on Twitter. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Albums with Joey Devine

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Albums with Joey Devine

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But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head count dot. Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Jab. Brain from new. Star. Hi, everybody. Welcome. But who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame I'm your host joke was Allah know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I'm a big dork about it and with me as always is my co host. She has never heard music before it's kristen stuttered what's happened a That is an untruth I. Love Music I hate the RAW. Okay. I guess we we have differing opinions on the way you stand with music, but that's hey I guess everyone's GonNa. Find out through the course of this episode which you know we are. Ramping up to the two thousand Twenty Rock Hall induction and we are hoping to revisit the inductees because we haven't talked about them in a long time but. We are going to have to deviate from that format today and before I talk about why I'm going to bring in our guest for this episode, I wouldn't call very special. I'd call him very regular because we like to have them on the show and if. You know who he is Joey Devine Hey. Hey I'm happy to be here. I, missed you guys through the pandemic and it's good to talk to you. You know the world being on fire it's good that we always have the old reliable. Who Cares about the Rock Hall to get us through our days in right I mean we didn't for long time. Yeah. We'll definitely put a pause on it. But now we're back and yet Joe Joey is joining us this week because we have to discuss something that that I will say is causing. Immense. Ripples throughout them using community, and it relates to something that we talk about constantly off show, which is that there is a new rolling stone five hundred albums list. Did you know this more aware of this because? Joey texted us to say that there was new rolling stones. Albums list I'm going to be your I texted you as a joke because I was like good news kristen the rolling stone five hundred list is all new and they put more people of Color and more women on it that news. This is this month's cover of the rolling of rolling stone, the magazine and it was the Beatles on it again. Have a rotation. It's the Beatles it's Dylan Jim Morrison you throw in Hendrix once a year you know I actually think the issue with the five hundred albums the cover is Bruce. On how could they forgotten? GotTa remember it's so funny. The this list you know. They talk about it in the lead up to the list itself and like the little blurb when they talk about the publication of the list and the on the website where they have the five hundred albums that is by far the most popular like most visited part of Rolling Stone Dot, com like people visit and a half tubbies. Solemn. Column know if you can believe it or not people like to go back to this list I mean there's a reason why bring it up so much Of those clicks. You. Pairing for this pod cal have you know I downloaded it as a pdf so So often. Yes and also let it be known that I have literally never looked at it every once in my life but I am uncannily but it's ingrained in your brain but we have I mean now there's a whole list I have a say connection to the old list so I don't know if they got a little bit if they diversified than I'm probably not going to be nearly as good I. Can you're good at getting the mindset of the old hippie rolling stone voter? Yeah I think there's like a little boomer in a dead shirt just like in the base of my brain somewhere that knows. Wait knows the order kristen? Are we GONNA go through it from five hundred to? Five hundred. No. So what I WANNA do. Generally hundred is run the jewels. Number five hundred funeral by arcade fire Why are you bet should be higher? Allier it was. Twelve and then it dropped how many hundred sixty five places I think. He's. Done. The year that they won the grammy it was like way up in A. Really high five or something like that. Chris I want to quickly. So there are one hundred and fifty four albums making the list this year that we're not on either to iterations previously. Now obviously, we're not going to go through all of those it includes Over one hundred artists who had never been on the list before and that also new albums that we hadn't seen before from artists who had been on. But I'm just going to give you a quick little sampling. we have scary monsters and super super creeps from David Bowie. We have modern vampires of the city from empire weekend. We have full moon fever from Tom Petty. We have the black parade from my Chemical Romance, my Chemical Romance we have if you're feeling sinister by Belle and Sebastian. Stan we have like what would be the? What would be the balance of astronaut I would put on their middle would be remove green the DELICA by primal scream. We have, oh, that's a surprise midnight marauders by a tribe called quest. We have US mad villainy by mad villain hounds of love by Kate Bush now. Here's the thing Kristen WanNa just quickly run through the albums I just told you scary monsters and super creeps modern vampires of the city. This is Halloween my being framed trait. Now, you're. Getting pranked again here's the thing to me risk. It is our first episode of October. Kristen all those albums are truly. New on the Rolling Stone Five. Hundred. They just I just happened to find the ones that were the spookiest. Okay. Okay. What is that top? Any album? That's? From eighty nine that has fallen on it that has run down a dream what songs are on that David Bowie album, and then just in a second, where is the Monster Mash is that on? Number, one of course. It made it yeah. I was I was working on my way up to that. But yes. So like fashion and ashes to ashes are probably the two big songs you've of scary monsters it's an album from nineteen eighty. So it's like pre let's dance, but it's post. Berlin. Albums on the list. So let's wait really quick I just before you get into this. Yeah. Is that is this the at might being pranked at any point in this episode? No point at no point have a prank to you I just in the spirit of October I felt like why not revisit one of our classic moments? One of the things that you will that like people will see with this list is that it is pretty reactionary and I think because David Bowie died recently, he was able to maintain. Only Aladdin Sane dropped off from the previous tube but all the other ones stayed on save for like a greatest hits that was on the list and scary monsters. It's on the first two. There's still greatest hits on their a lot of greatest. Yeah. I mean I think the idea. That greatest hits of all the artists on their Tom. Greatest hits Banger for Bangor album. Yeah. Exactly. What's what is it called? What's his greatest? HOW CHANGES ONE? I'm thinking I. thought my parents had it but aerosmith big ones yes. which is I believe there's a sumo wrestler on the cover that album get it because. And I. Think I thought it was oh. Maybe is what's the aerosmith cover that has the other its grip you're getting kill me very funny and now I'm thinking of honking on Bo-bo. Arrowsmith. aerosmith rocks is still on the list and has been on every iteration but toys in the attic out of there you're gone toys in the. I mean if you're gonNA give. Toys in the attic for an aerosmith album. Very good. Got The. It's the big ones on it. Hey, yeah I mean both of those albums I do think are good. They were early aerosmith that's like the if you're going to listen Aerosmith, that is what you're going to listen to. But let me give you some of the artists that have made the list for the very first time. and there's a lot Kendrick Lamar beyond say Kate Bush Pitch Branko. At City I'm sorry I have a cup all Hendrick Lamar's albums medalist. So they did so butter science on their Kristin Kristin. Kristen's yes. Try to guess. Where to pimp a butterfly is on the list because you you're you're good on the former lists. Let's see how you do on the newest I. Mean, I have no way. The only thing I know is that now that arcade fire. That's my only. Our Hint Joe. Rated yet. So no has yet. Okay. Fully there's one I know that's burned in my brain I, mean WanNa try to pimp a butterfly good kid mad city and damned they are all on the list all three all three Kendrick Lamar albums on the list now what? I think critically. Now I think that the order that they're in is I think the highest is the lowest like the close I'm GonNa say highest meaning like Lowe's Berg closest to the. Top. But also, the bottom was A. Numerical. System. Is going to be dependent butterfly, and then in the middle, it'll be good kid mad city and Van Damme will be cleaner. Correct. Now, knowing what I know, which is that they're trying to be like he is a critical darling he is. That is a critically acclaimed album and he's kind of like I think Kendrick is the is the rapper who can straddle both having actual street cried and the respect of the black community while also being a fucking white critics Darling A. She didn't sell out but like white critics were like, yeah he's the one guy. We're. We like him. All right. So give me an idea I think he make it to the top one, hundred I do. This is a wild guest. To Pin. A butterfly comes in at number. We go. All right. How Eighteen is just. Can I say my calibration number yeah please. That might help you Chris. Chris. Take care by drake is in the nineties top one. Yeah it it's high. It's one hundred albums better than the wall which I love I. Think it's so funny because I think the wall sucks and I, also think Drake Kinda sucks but that's so funny to me. To pippa butterfly is the highest ranking album that had not been on any prior Louis that makes sense. Other albums in the top twenty that like jumped pretty high miseducation of lauryn Hill had been at three fourteen. It is now at number ten oh. Yes. That's great. That's a that's a really. That's great. Does missy Elliott having the albums on here? Yes. So super duper fly. Oh, that's the first one what else is on that. So I to me the rain. Yeah. Super duper. Yes. Satellite. Is Coming in. Christian is that the only album occurs? That's on there. Yes that's so interesting I. Guess that's like critical darling and that's not as good as take care by drake so I mean after consensus. L. Mike you can't beat being in a world. Okay. Well, I think that's going to be like one, fifty two technically, it is to places higher than take care by drake it's at. Ninety three. Okay. That's pretty good. Let's go through some of the some of the top top just like because we have a new number one kristen, we give it a new number one can ask I heard you say that beyond says, I just want to do a little more calibration with like Conrad, black artists that we're learning about. How many beyond albums are on there? I think South titles, I think lemonade. And that's it. Okay. Good. I mean those are great. Okay and I think lemonade is higher than self titled. And I think lemonade is in the top hundred. I. Think Lemonade is what? Twenty five or something like that. And then I bet the self titled is in the early hundreds. I bet it maybe that's one eighteen. Or did they pop? It got some of the wreck you got. You got some of the right numbers eighty, one, eighty one okay. Yeah. Great. I mean. Better than drafts take. CARE. Okay Wow. Okay. Now, this is all starting to kind of come together. It's really throwing off my system I know. There are schiff all over the place my beautiful dark twisted fantasy which was at three fifty three is now at seventeen seventy seventeen I was like seven date seventeen is that the highest conyers albums? Yes. Is that his only album or? The from college dropout to eases on there. So is there. Like I'm like, you stop at my beautiful dark twisted fantasy like uses fine. I like I'm not gonNA argue about it but I think Get it's not like. Is it the top album of all time? Five hundred probably has pattern albums it comes. It comes in it. It's the lowest of his albums and it comes in at two sixty, nine college dropout is seventy, four late registration is one seventeen graduation is two, oh, four, eight, hundred, and heartbreak to forty four, and then eases to sixty nine. Wait. Some they're ju. They all made it from college. Yeah. That's I. That's a lot of albums they are really. Giving him his flowers while he's alive you know. Another another album that has gone up it went up considerably from two thousand, three to two, thousand, twelve, which was a by radiohead went from four, twenty, eight to sixty seven. Now sitting at twenty prominent radiohead albums are on there. So we've got kid at twenty. Okay. Computer at forty two, which also jumps the Ben's at two, seventy six we've got in rainbows at three, eighty seven and then amnesiac off the list get out of here in music. The thief. Where's King of Wins Oh Shaped Pool. I have a real hail to the thief came out at an important time in my life. So I'm like that's an album. Everybody was into right and it's like, no just you know just circumstance that's the album I got out on radiohead. Here. Another jump we've got into the Tang thirty six chambers goes from three, Eighty, seven to twenty seven Oh entered the top twenty I enter the thirty year ago. Almost, got on the first track. Here relevant. Rock Hall ready to die from. biggie jumped from one thirty, four to twenty, two they really there's making big moves in the top one hundred. Yeah. There's a new number one Amazon numerous. I mean I don't know what it is and I'm not gonna I'm all gossip second I'll be wrong. But if they are really shaken up in the in the big dogs now this is a web. July I mean, we've got Deangelis Voodoo going from forty one to twenty eight. One T eight. Your new I mean, don't get me wrong like no shave de Ngelo but like. No, it's a great album and like but. Wasn't. Really. On the list. What? Yes, we've got you know Voodoo is from two thousand and that's sitting at twenty eight. We've got brown sugar, which is his. Five, which is at one, eight three, and then we've got actually Deangelis with vanguard with black, Messiah from two, thousand, fourteen at. What's That I have the house. Okay That's that's the music video where he's like naked. Yeah yes. He's got some Tony Page like on his hips. His absentee. Yeah, it's also co starring a very adventurous trickle of sweat. Thousands Color Star. It's that album should not be in the top thirty. I'll actually defend this up. So. This is the first one. They actually had like musicians vote on and musicians had to pick their top fifty and di Angelo has become like musicians fucking love Dangelo because he's like. A crazy guy who will go years without releasing albums, but then also play all his instruments stuff. You're there's a lot of musical respect Yeah Rudy Angelo and joy brings up a good point which is just the fact that this was not. Change of the list by like the editorial board at Rolling Stone Jon winner only got a ballot right. This is a complete overhaul by having New People and certainly some people who voted the first time just completely everyone vote again like vote over fucking John, darnall. You want to tell us your top. Fifty you know journalists. Whoever beyond say apparently, Robert Smith these are all people who allegedly turned in top fifty albums, and so that is really what comprises it, which is why it seems like there are a lot of changes when in fact, this is really just like a newest. New. Lest. The hall hilariously though the number two album stayed the same on all three versions of the list. The number two album has been the same in that is it sounds bad sounds by the beach billy's, which is the best album all times number one on Joey's list Jubilo. Ballot. Sorry. I well, Hey, I want a ballot yawn where. Kristen, you had your thing for rock right. He was your guy. Yes added rock had a ballot and they? Rocks individual ballot, and I I wanna read some of his picks if if I may Maccabi sign of the Times grits and gravy nothing but good stuff the Frank Figueroa funk ensemble. Double. Bang Bang chirp the city ain't tough enough starring. Crikey it met him bubble Hugo. Strasser Tans hit seventy one ultimate spinach self titled the out of controls. I need new friends the lovers to limit something more fantastical Merv Geller, unlinked passages and patterns. My Man trolled the list and is very funny. seventies rough and ready. We write the Pete Smith, Quintet Dynamism. Ad Rock is having fun with the list Dr Funke Dunk with out of bounds on the dance floor. It'd be. The list Yeah Beeson. Beastie boys are on. Obviously Nazis to be, on their. Way. Around there. It was never on there is on my personal list obviously the top one that's always the communications Paul's Boutique. Always the one PGA. A One, twenty, five going up about thirty places. So relatively decision. And then at one ninety two is licensed to ill, which also has been on the chew rations of lists, and then appearing for the first time is check your head at two sixty one. Frank Ocean makes the list for the first time. He's got blond which channel orange and then channel orange. Yeah, Blonde comes in at seventy nine Chandler orange comes in at one forty eight. We've Altay on the list creating I, hope they take on the list she should be on the level times. Couple Times choice. Read. Yeah does nine, thousand, nine, hundred, and nine on their nineteen eighty-nine read comes in and we'll see nine hundred nine comes in at three ninety three read is too high. Red Comes in ninety nine in the top one hundred higher than born in the USA by two hundred albums. Essay is in is that what to ninety? Nine hundred somewhere? Yeah. So springsteen. A mainstay of these lists right born to run obviously the one at the top in it's generally in the same place it had been at eighteen. It's now twenty one darkness on the edge of town comes in at ninety. One actually goes up a little bit on the list had been at around one fifty four in in the USA. Now is at one forty two. Having dropped from the six. Nebraska. Is Up a little bit from to twenty six to one fifty. We've got the. and. This is I know Kristen, this'll soul really hurt you but. An album I'm sure means a lot to you the wild the innocent of the east shovel has gone from one. To three, forty, five. I know I know that hurts. Now the rising, which was not on the two thousand, three lists. The album, the album appeared on the twenty twelve list as though to say, we need this nine eleven. Our has dropped off the list entirely. Forgotten it turns out. We didn't. We've got. We've decided it's OK. Tunnel of love which had been on both prior lists off greetings from Asbury Park, which was only on First List was offered twenty twelve did not come back the river also on both previous has not come back. So we have three springsteen albums from the last list that did not return currently on the list. You know he's got what? Five. Yeah. He had like nine. Or Cognac. ooh It might be I think it's a tie. Actually has got six. Yeah. Got Six. Yeah. So Connie has finally he's now the boss he's the boss now that's how. He's now the bus. I don't make the rules Joe who do you think the biggest loser is? ooh, you know. Eric Clapton. Okay. No I don't think the American people I would say the American people actually think that we have we have really gained from the trying and I'm really quite happy to hear that there are so many more nine still don't know who number one is you will we'll get. But if we if we talk about like Eric Clapton's presence on the first. Two list. He was part of. John Mile in the blues breakers, which was at one, nine, thousand, five in the first two. That's that's like an early British news what fuck it de Ngelo could have to albums on the thing. But it's Gone Blues Breakers Has Gone Blues break is no longer on the list, and then if we talk about eight broke the Blues Now what about the Blues Brother's soundtrack? Can you put soundtracks? Here's the pulp fiction soundtrack on this. The Saturday. Night fever soundtrack. Is, on here, the harder they come soundtrack which the superfly soundtrack, their soundtracks here there are two cream albums that are gone. And then if we talk about Clapton's Solo work, we've got to Clapton albums that are gone. So there's he had a presence on five albums that are now gone now Leyla still on there and one cream is still under, but that's it. So I'd say with five albums no longer on the list I'm going to have to say Eric Clapton to me this is this is not a mathematical. Calculation but just off the top my head Oh plus there were two yardbirds albums that are no longer in the list and he was on one of those. So I guess at six albums that he had a significant presence on gone I actually thought the Beatles were pretty big losers too going over. Yeah. That's that's true. Let's let's review what happened to the Beatles pretty sure. Every one of their albums went down. Sergeant, pepper had been at the top of both previous lists. A lot of people would say almost like objectively the greatest album of all time right number one it is now at number twenty four and it has actually gone below other Beatles albums now. So now other Beatles albums are higher do is like Let it be. No replacements let it be is higher than the Beatles. Let it be on this list. And now, but that was true I just like the let it be. Is Abby Ro Abbey road is that is advertise their highest. It'd be three, forty two, which is actually fifty points higher than it had been in two thousand. When it dropped from eighty, six to three, ninety, two time has not been good to that album and the replacements lead at the is at one, thirty six. Now, an added had the replacement and did Beckett is that a move they actually lost an album tim got kicked off but let it be went up yet but it did go up. So if we're reviewing our our boys from Liverpool. Addy wrote is at the top. Number five at actually went up and had been number fourteen revolver is at eleven dropped from three against Sergeant Pepper's drops twenty, four one, the white album dropped twenty nine from ten rubber sole drop to thirty, five from five, and then after that, we've got meet the Beatles which went from fifty three to one, ninety seven. That's like an early one for them a hard day's night at two, sixty, three went up from. Three Oh seven help is at to sixty six actually went up from three thirty one, and then let it be with the Beatles which was a basically the same version is the British version of meet. The Beatles had been on the two thousand and three left twenty twenty has not come back. Please please me which was at thirty nine on the last two lists. That's that's their debut album is no longer on the list. How many albums do they have on there? Are they in the country club or are they above? Are they still have the most they have nine. So they have Abbey Road, revolver, sergeant, pepper, white album rubber soul, and that's all the way down to number thirty five. So there's still have quite a presence, but they used to dominate the top ten. The is the top ten used to be like fifty percent Beatles albums, and now it's Ten hunters end. Yeah Yeah. And we still haven't revealed the number one. And you know what? Why don't you hold those questions, take a quick break and then we come back. We will reveal even though everyone literally look this up. We will reveal the number one album rolling stones five hundred lists. Don't. Go anywhere. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. We hope you had a nice break over your break you. Know. I really I hope they blow your nose. Yeah. It gets congested up there. So take. Care of yourself. If I hope you blow your nose if you needed to and also I hope he didn't need to blow your mouse. Beautiful. We were talking about the Beatles and I think another artists that you have to consider who really dominates these lists or is the poster boy for what these lists used to be colored is Bob Dylan. Exactly. Dullard. Don't. Let's. Go through Dylan's ranking. On this list, we have blood on the tracks which was not. Not, typically his highest ranked because that's one of his albums from the seventies it's the best one though. I am. V.. Y. M. H.. Oh Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. but yeah, that went from number sixteen, the number nine. So it broke the top ten but falling out of the top five highway sixty one revisited wants to number eighteen, and then we've got blonde on blonde also fell from the top ten from number nine to number three eight. And, then after that, bring it all back home went from thirty one to one eighty, one free will and bought went from ninety, seven, fifty, five, the basement tapes, which is really him with the band went from two, ninety, two, three, three, five, John. Wesley harding three, three to three, thirty seven. Love and theft one from three, hundred, five to four eleven, and then that's it for about Bulent. Did. Any of them did you say which dropped off I? I really was checked out during that whole thing 'cause I don't. Much of bow. Bob Dylan I I mean I know this I know a few songs. I know I like tangled up in blue I like Lucy lengthy lay up and blew his on blood on the tracks. That's the one. Japanese. is highest ranked. Now that's like his poppy album. and. It kind of makes sense within this list that would be the top one modern times, which is is album two, thousand six. which was added in for the obviously, the twenty twelve is not on their time out of mind the bomb which the soy bomb album. Yeah. Yeah. People don't know what we're talking about. It's album from ninety seven. He performed at the grammys and then while he was performing a guy, some random guy took his shirt off its bomb Jessica. I've ever seen on TV. One of the greatest things because nobody stops dude for like maybe thirty seconds. Body, Chile just stares at him thinking it's part of the shows sort of our little bit of a look like someone do something. Like not trying to give it away too much. But like the turned juster a little bit like someone take care of this guy and he's just soy bomb is the greatest anyway. So I, bought was not enough to keep time out of mind in the top five hundred last it had been at four ten is now gone and the album desire, which is from nineteen, seventy six previously at one seventy four now off the list. So we have three droughts from Mr Zimmerman. Okay. So let me ask some questions about our new winner is this would you consider this a contemporary artists or would you consider this? One of this is a very rolling stone. Era. Stone pick, but it's not the Beatles and it's not Bob Dillard. So. and. prising choice I will say that. And it's not the Bruce. It's not the bows. No. Joe Why don't you mention some other who who who else jumped into the top ten? Yes. So let's obviously we talked about. Lauren Hill being. Blood attracts from Bob Dylan is number nine. We've got a pretty significant jump Prince's purple rain went from seventy six to number eight. We've got rumors from fleetwood Mac. Now, number seven previously had been at twenty six never mind from nirvana jumping from seventeen to number six. And then we've got Abbey road from the bills at number five we've got jumping from number fifty seven to number four is songs in the key life from our guy. stevie wonder. Great album I mean absolute absolute fantastic album numbers arenas outside. Yeah I think well-deserved number three jumping from previously had been number thirty is the album blue by Joni Mitchell. At number three, and then we've got pet sounds at number to stick in sticking it. Number two Shell is at number three. Jones got some additional albums that had not been on there before court and spark had been on their basically is at the same had been at one eleven. Thirteen now is at one ten Hegira. Had not been on there before and just now at one thirty, three hissing of summer lawns is now at two, fifty eight had not been on there before. So Joni. Showing up Janis definitely a big winner from this list and she has more albums on their than Eric Clapton Dot. So wild move I mean no shade Joni but like I don't know a number three is pretty pretty high and I mean, we get into this later but I? I would say on the whole. Women are a winner in. This list as well like the right would say women. Of Collar. Winners on this list the only place in twenty twenty where women and people are the winners of the. Top Five, hundred albums lists and I for one am shook. Okay. Now am I meant to take that as well as an indication of what the new reigning champion will the number one album is not from a woman I will say that no, it feels very. Of The Times we're living in that they would pick it now it feels almost like a political choice. You could say it obviously it has. It's I mean it's it's a ten. It's one of the ten greatest albums of all time. Is it Sam Cook? No no, but you're close. I think once you think of it, you will know because it is. Well it's like definitively classic album like it was number six on both prior lists. Felt like I'm GONNA let everybody down it's always in the conversation. Like. They're gone me all show 'cause you know unlike. Usually? White white guys it's. Read. It's It's drake if you're reading this year too. Oh my gosh. Okay. So it is is by this is by a black artist. Yeah by the way if you realize too late is on the on. The three, sixty seven. Here. Okay. And if we're tying it back to the Rock Hall, not a first year inductee but a second year inductee and I know that does not help you in the slightest. What just just to make sure to keep keep my rock hall connection here. Okay. So this is a black artist I'm the I'm assuming the sixties or seventies. Yes. is an album from the sixties or seventies is not a woman? It's not a band. I think it's a solo artist. Yeah. Correct is solo artist. Yeah. It's not like. Curtis Mayfield. It's one of the indisputably greatest artists of all time when we said Stevie wonder already it's This artist has. Just, not now. Asked to give it away. Dad The. No longer has sight. During. Artist is frantically deceased. All God I feel like I'm I know that whoever if I know everybody knows this except me. Tragic. Pretty good at guessing me stay tragic. Sad. But had a long career probably, I would say definitely had more great work in him. Yeah. But but had a longer career long career wasn't like Sam Cooke who? Type of Oh God can I have a? Can I have just maybe one more hand like the album the albums from Nineteen seventy-one I'll give you another hint to this artist famously wrote other songs as well that he did not perform. Okay it's unlike my brain is not working. I can't think of anybody right now came out of town. It's not Michael Jackson. No, it is. Not. That would be truly wild died died in nineteen eighty-four at the forty four. In fact, let's not even say died was murdered at was for was was shot and killed. This album was absolutely. The evolution of this artist who had been a motown star and had done lot of duets but then really came into his artistic own with this political album for the Times. I can't believe that I am not giving. It was like an album that I talked about like like what's going on with the civil rights movement and like with In. Maybe question. Yes. I mean literally, I, heard you say was on into may have kept thinking what's going on and I was thinking about but I kept thinking about move on up. Right uh-huh. I know I have to say it. Felt links, they didn't want to outright say it. Again, what's going on is That's a wild I mean I'm not angry about I'm not mad at it but that's what I mean. It's a really important now and it feels like this is a very great album, but it feels like a political choice to put it number. One and. That's good I'm pro that. Yeah obviously. Yeah. Me Too and you can talk about this list potentially being kind of reactionary in general because there are a lot of albums that came out. Know, within the past few years like if you want to review this. Drake albums are on. There are three ouds from twenty nineteen. What what are the best? Twenty nineteen. What is even a good album that came on twenty nine? There's nothing good anymore. Here's one. King was not that good like. You will not even guess this one, which is Harry styles solo album fine line. It definitely would not even guess now here are two albums that definitely made a dent billy Bush. When we all fall asleep, where do we go? And then Norman fucking rockwell from lingerie everybody loved an identity. But that's okay. Three albums three albums from twenty eighteen, which you are not going to get these bad bunnies x one hundred pre. A while bad bunny has an has what number four, seventy, two, four, forty, seven. and. They're. You know what's good is there are I believe bunny is Puerto Rican I. think Puerto Rican. Yeah. There are A. Spanish speaking rapper there are a number of Spanish speaking artists on the list. Yeah. How many? How many people albums around here? There's no pit bull, but that is Daddy Yankee though. Count Thousand to be the next thing that I saw I can't believe that like bad bunny is on there and pit bulls not honestly I'm not saying that I like pit bull, but he's made this worldwide. Three. Oh five he's got a lot of numbs diplom- of look I have a theory about pit bull actually. that. He's one hundred different guys know. By theory. Swap out bald men with sunglasses and shove him out. Oh, so you think it's an Andrew W K situation. Did they do that with Andrew W K. Oh, you got to look that up kristen I can't explain that here you've got to look up the Andrew W K conspiracy theories. Are they real or Jamaica maybe like to some small extent but yeah. It's A conspiracy does not. Them. Rain on anybody's for eight. If they're having fun making conspiracies on the Internet, my pit bull theory, he's music's Guy Fieri where everyone's going to laugh at him and then ten years from now we're going to be like you know what pit bulls pretty cool. We like him now. I could see that happening I. Wonder if we're already getting close to it, one of the album's between eighteen is a Spanish speaking artists who hadn't actually never heard of Rosalia in her album El Mal career. See. I like to see that kind of representation Yo Shakira has an album. Selena. Album on here that rocks selena indefinitely an outlander. So Selena, there are some like very poppy albums on here that I was not expecting like, let's say come on over from Shania, toyin. Dispute, ably, a top five hundred album. And that's a mug classic. And when we were talking about the representation of Women Funes, apple I was was huge winner. Okay. Upon baby. Tell me where when now can I please tell me when the pond in the top one hundred it's not on this. Just missed out, it's one away. Okay. That's one of my absolute favorite albums and the. Just think is that the highest ranking her? Is Thank you steam Pew. They always Wanna put title when upon his her best albums what's on their women's? Title. Title. Tiles not on their extraordinary machine. extraordinary. Extraordinary machine is on their four, hundred, forty four, and then the idler wheel is at two thirteen. That's the volkers. Now, no festival cutters was that that was this year though right that was to analysis year Erica Bodu has two albums on the list. Is, is very close to the top. It's said eighty nine. Okay. And then Mama's gun is at one. Whatever She's dead. And I mean Eliya is in the list. Elise in the mix okay. No R Kelly the right. No are Kelly Britney is on the list. My Quest Okay Britney. Britney is got hit me baby on their. No we've got whatever who two, thousand, seven album blackout at four, forty one, which is strange. are only album on there yes. I'm shocked that Britney Spears showed up on a rolling stone. That's. Insane. What Day they just used her sexuality to sell the cover and name they gave no respect. Wasn't available to be on the cover that week they had itsel sexy. Jim Morrison. Speaking of Jim Morrison let's talk about the doors had three albums on the list last time. Now self-titled dropped from forty to eighty six, top one hundred. So there's still love for the doors but strange days went from four, zero, nine, two off the list and then L. A. Woman went from three sixty four to off the list one more album to go baby ten more years ten more years. Where is thriller? Thriller Still Pretty High It's should be higher. It jumped jumped up from twenty to twelve and I think off the wall also jumped up from sixty eight to thirty six. Now. Let's not just dwell on Michael Though Saga Janet Janet. Let Saga about her just as the belva rope on their velvet rope has been on every iteration of the list. And actually actually went down from two, fifty, nine to three eighteen generally in the same spot rhythm nation had also been on both. Of the list. Jumped up signing you went from two, seventy, seven to three, thirty, nine but. Let's talk what album is missing though. Control Yeah, which had not been on I. Think kind of strangely had not been on either list, but debuts at one hundred eleven. That's great. I am surprised about the move for I would've thought rhythm nation just with kind of the way things are I think it's just kind of making room for control. It's like control went up there and they kind of like fell down accordingly. Those are great albums they should all be on there I mean her self titled should be on their Janet should be on there. That's like a fucking all star album that is like Janet Jackson should have five albums on this list you could. You could make that. What about? What? About? What? About Jackson, Browne? Yes Jackson Browne. Had three albums for every man late for the sky pretender had been both iterations of the list. Now, he's completely off number out. Get it. But. Yeah. Let's talk about Whitney, let's also talk just about the inductees for the Rock Hall class of Twenty Twenty because they definitely are on this list now Whitney's debut. From hundred eighty five the first list she was to fifty four and it went to two, fifty seven. Now she's at two, forty, nine Whitney's hold strong right in the middle of this list that we talked about ready to die. But life after death from notorious B I g is also on the list huge jump from four seventy, six to one. Seventy nine depeche mode. What do we? What do we think? Oh, I don't know anything about their albums. Violator is the one that is always that's what has personal. Jesus has enjoy the silence on it. It still on there and I, think it's at four twelve. It went from three, forty, two to one, sixty, seven's. Order and Baby and so in with the old Yeah. Now, the smiths if we're talking, we'll just quickly do a sidebar for the post punk new wave. The clean is dead from the Smith went from two eighteen to one thirteen made a jump. But at the expense of their self titled and Meat Is Murder and louder than bombs all dropping off the list, which is too bad. If only if only. Only Morrissey just if only Morrissey wasn't. A full on white nationalist joy division's debut is coming in at two eleven had unknown unknowns, pleasures our which is the. One with the the waves went up on any kind of strangely had not been on any of the prior lists and closer which had been was at one fifty, seven kind of fell three nine. Now we got to joy division's. We've also got new order which substance their greatest hits. had been on the last two but now they just decided to put their best album. Power corruption lies at two, sixty two, and then just just to kind of complete the what I think is the big four of post punk, new wave and my favorite the cure. Disintegration. Obviously is is the big one that people talk about what from three, twenty, six. To One sixteen so big jumps and then they're like, American. Debut boys don't cry which had been at the bottom for thirty eight is gone. I. I like the see disintegration go to. Talk Yeah I basically jumped as much as arcade fire fell down. Thank you so now are the. Three hundred zero four hundred populated by all the old classic rock who Murray stuff that used to populate the top two hundred, I would say not exactly but a little bit like if you're looking at say like Jefferson Airplane Right Classic Rolling Stone List artist went from their album surrealistic pillow went from one forty, six to four seventy one. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. You see a decent. Amount of of those types of jumps right about like right on the. Yeah you Elvis Costello. My aim is true like that's again another like rolling stone mainstay went from one, sixty, eight to four, thirty, four, thirty. So there's a decent amount of those types of Jim. I love. You know it's a great album I. Again. Almost three, hundred and something I can't do that much. Worse than take care by drake it's correct correct I mean we've we although we do know this I've been saying it for for many years. So there's a few more from the twenty twenty class that you WanNa get to. So we've got t rex their big album electric warriors. Was One, sixty on both. Previous iterations now at one, Eighty, eight. So little drop nine inch nails. Would we think is. Added Album An. Album. Too. So that saved done nothing but rise we'll take. Yeah. So downward spiral it. was always on there and it was a they added What's the head like a hole one pretty hate machine. So downward spiral went from a one to one, twenty two, and then we did add pretty hate machine which had not been on the list at four, fifty, three, four and. Job Jelly. Thank you. Would you guys think about the DOOBIE brothers? Do not on the list not on the fucking list. About. The brothers, what is my personal opinion of the Doobie brothers in reference to the list? While here's the thing I actually think the Doobie brothers are kind of fun. Appreciate them. I really have come to appreciate them but I don't know if they're going to be on this. Dude. On albums, this is not going to happen. Album. Honestly it's probably fucking minute by minute which is. Their big one with Michael McDonald. Some other rock hall favorites perennial nominees, inductees that we have talked about allowing this show. We finally have an appearance on the list from Rufus featuring Chaka Khan. Me something good. We've got got asked. which crawled onto the list in made it just above arcade fire at. Ninety Nine Laura Niro made the list for the first time. And the Thirteenth Confession made it at four, sixty three Nina, Simone had not been on the list prior. Not, I bet she's in the top two hundred now wild is the wind comes in to twelve. Bill withers had not been on the list before and that he's also in the top hundred. Just as I am, which was his debut came in three or four, and then his follow up still bill came in at three thirty three. L. Bill. Bill's got to albums on the list and we do love that guy yeah. That's what's replacing those doors albums bay be get them off one more just gotTa. Do get him out of here. Never Happen Joey it'll. It's GonNa Happen I. Think it's GonNa Happen. You know this is still rolling Stone magazine Yeah. I do but they're not good and people know it now. For the most part, the artists that made the list for the first time in twenty twenty are like we said, women people of Color Children. Little Kids. But. French kid you like Geordie Georgie. There's you'll treat them by daily. But yeah I mean it's artists like you know from destiny's child to Donna summer to to talk to scissor right. Would not been on the list? Now but I do want to just make a note. There are some kind of crazy ones that showed up for the first time like rush. Rush and yes in Nilsson are ones that you wouldn't expect to show us should have been on there. Should have been on there. for him to make his debut. Now, twenty twenty twenty twenty is is a strange one no doubt. Nilsson's Milton should have been on this list the whole time. That's very weird. He never was that's the bread and butter of rolling stone says yeah strange. But he's on it now. I can't believe the prog is weren't weren't in there. Before. Will I mean rolling stone like almost famously hates progress. So, this is maybe even a little bit of course correction in that regard and also like a little, not really much heavy metal like motor is now on the list, but they had not been before and. Yeah I mean. METALLICA on Area ACDC back in black is always going to be on the list although highway to hell fell off that had been on the list before is now no longer. Than Others Metallica in here as well. Any any judy priest? No, no judy is it It's some kind of monsters, their highest, the Mattel. Shrink. The. One they had Huilan it. They know it's the words worse than that. It's the one that they recorded for ten years while filming that documentary with the psychiatrist isn't some kind of monster the documentary what is the now? Eight Anger Satan Inca. Produced by Bob Rock in Dr Phil Will. Go ahead. Dr Phil Towel is the name of a Tim Eric Character Dr Phil Tallies the name of Metallica. Dr Phil Towel is the name of Metallica's psychiatrist and you need to watch this movie kristen no I don Yes you do. Yes. You do. It is crazy and it's one of the greatest documentaries ever made. Its Ammon therapy. It's funny. It's really funny and it's really good. Just for the record METALLICA, a master of puppets in self titled had been on the previous iterations of the list and you know what this time. They went up list from one, Sixty, seven and ninety seven for master puppets to forty, five to two, thousand, five for self titled Christine. There's a scene in that documentary where James Hatfield is crying because he said he felt bad that he missed the birth of his child because he was hunting bears in Siberia? Okay I. Can't laugh at a man for crying because he missed his child and then we ended the sentence because hunting vacation. Now. I like very stupid was going to be like he was on tour or something like Pattana. Partying and the. In ways. But instead, he was fucking hunting bears inside I don't need to see this out I don't need. I don't I don't man. Okay Kristen we could talk about this list obviously for a long time, but I think we should wrap up but do you have any lingering questions about this thing before we do? Things that I think would. Delight you Alanis. Morissette was on the original list at three twenty seven was taken off for the two thousand twelve list and came back at sixty nine, nine gray jagged little pill at sixty nine I like that I like that that makes me happy I like that Liz Fair has always been on the list but around three twenty, three, twenty, seven but then exile guy came back at fifty six. Fifty six they did where is where the Rolling Stones Albums, oh? That's a that's another man stay. And it's a good question. So exile on Main Street is typically their highest ranking. One Up. It went from number seven to fourteen. More or less hoping it would be like exiling Guy Ville exile on mainstream. Next to each other on the let it bleed what from thirty to forty one basically, the same son sticky fingers went from sixty four to one for beggars banquet went from fifty eight to one eighty, five aftermath went from one nine to three thirty. So they're like dropping places throughout their trickling down the list some girls from two, seventy, two, four, sixty, eight but these are fair falls I think. It's Not Eating them in the yet, but it's also keeping them. In their rightful place and they were just up to high before. Yeah. No those are great albums all of them but and we got we got rid of some of the their four rolling stones albums that are now off the list and like a lot of them were those like early where they're doing blues covers albums that are just not the great rolling stones albums I think. They need to they have on there so they have six. It's an in work calling it the Cognac. Okay. So I think again, we could talk about this forever but I think that is glued review and I'm glad that now Kristin, you have a new list. To guests and we will I guess we'll be both listed now that we all. Four We have a new list to now think about it and consider and it's also totally forget all of the things that you've said. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Hip Hop Inductees with CJ Toledano

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Hip Hop Inductees with CJ Toledano

"Everybody who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host. Joke was Allah. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I think today. I'm I'm sorry about that. Just I feel like being apologetic. I'm not apologetic enough. Dc sorry every episode. There's always a different case ONA and is like an I love and I'm not sorry people think it's cool. I think is what I said last time. It is cool with me as always someone who does not think the rock and Roll Hall of fame is cool but Tourists may she knows too much about it now and she can't get out. It's kristen stuttered. That's me I'm trapped trip. I made an empty threat to quit the PODCAST. And here I am still Pat Benneteau Carla Hall and you heard his voice already. We have a first timer guests. I never thought I'd be on it. I didn't think but I am very happy to have him. One of my oldest friends eighty eight years old. He's he's he's pushing ninety. No He's very funny. Comedian and writer. He's the world's preeminent sports comedian basketball dumb shit. Tell you what not much comedy in sports happen to be comedian who works in sports and it says cj told. Thanks for having me guys. I've been looking forward to this since you've asked me. Yeah I'm so I'm so happy to find a way to get you on here as we heard it on the percent. I looked at C. J. and mouth. I don't know what we're talking about today and that is true. I know a little bit and I but I didn't do that much preparation but I think we'll be okay. Yeah so the past three episodes I think or so. We've been going into it without meat. Chris what we're going to come in and called baby. Yeah and we're kind of in a weird place with the Rock Hall. Because they've announced the inductees but the ceremony isn't until may so it's kind of like a weird purgatory usually like when usually tighter it's usually like they announce it at the end of the year. And then it's like in March or something Bam Bam Bam. I mean if there's still a little bit of a weight. Excitement is palpable people. Can you know there's really riding that Wave Street ceremony? What's the reason why they why they make people wait? We'll do you WANNA go to Cleveland in March or do you WANNA go to Cleveland in. May because I've been in Cleveland every month at some point in my life. It's just it's always gonNA actually go a lot. Yeah Yeah what or or you go to Akron. I go to Cleveland Akron but then I also I grew up ninety miles from Cleveland. Right. I've been in the Rock Hall a few times. When the last time I went was in two thousand sixteen with Witt Ray Whitmer Thomas who was on our show talking about equity to we we. He was opening for Bo Burnham and I was living in Detroit at the time And I met him in Cleveland and we went to the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I remember when I first we went when it first opened my family did in. I remember being awesome. Like one thousand nine hundred fifty because we're living in Eerie. We had been there for what two years at that? Point and We always whenever there was like a big historic thing nearby. We always have family went there. And if you're in Erie Pennsylvania not too many things. Yeah so that's a huge so we went there and I remember just obviously. The architecture of it is just insane. Yes you for. That tone is wild that it is I m Pei who is legendary architect. The addition to the Lou like he had to be convinced like he didn't know what rock and roll like a one hundred percent like he died recently and he was like a hundred and two years old so yeah. I remember in in Grade School and I. I don't know if you get offended when I call a grade school that's fine. Oh people against the solid elementary school elementary school interchangeable people. Some did not just whip but people are like. Are you Canadian Mike? No because he didn't say five or whatever grade. School is elementary school totally to miss. Behind the construction of it one there was going to be a wing that was shaped like. Atar which passed into this one wrong for a while you got to you could slide down the side of it. These are the you. Tell me that I'm like yeah that makes sense. I saw the pictures. I'm going to slide down it when I get there. That's also perfect grade school rooms because it's like just enough believability because there are places that will let you do weird and there's all children have slides that go through them and stuff. There's even a place in downtown Los Angeles. That's not meant for kids that has a slide. Yeah yeah it's almost like a tourist thing where it's clear slide and it's all you can look straight down. Yeah Oh yes I have seen. I believe some sort of dream. And there's also there's that building in Saint Louis the arch the slide down the wrong kind of want to grade school in spread that rumor. I put my friends got married there. Why can I not think of it? It's it's the museum with all of winning Lou has told on. I'M GONNA remember. Just a second AKA googling it right now. It's called the city museum. Thank God the most generic name could've been sorry Yeah that that's my relationship with the physical structure of it. All right. Yeah and then just by nature being my friend it's probably in. Your periphery a little bit more. Because I talk about it right post about it because I am. I think I'm familiar with a lot. Of Classic Rock. Maybe just from movies and just like making those mix tapes from when I was a kid moments like that something comes on. It's either like we attach it to a movie or we had this idea right. The trailer trailer. Yeah that song the big trailer songs at the most like hack trailer. Song Salisbury. Hillsboro line stuck in the middle with you. Yes there's like a Curtis Mayfield. Maybe one like a super super good one because it. What's the song after the record? Yeah how did I get in the car when we would go? Do you like Road gigs Chicago Song Player. New like reenact a scene based on a lot of going to like it here looking up at the school or whatever because we'd be in a car it would just be just be on stage in a song playing and then looking at your friend in the crowd like I don't know just go just like you're running away from a bad guy and you run into a catwalk like that's definitely a trailer moment has so. Cj What's significant about this year and maybe even a little controversial owed although if anyone has been paying attention to haul it shouldn't be controversial but we have a hip hop inductee. Yeah and that's not in that's not common or it's I wouldn't say it's particularly. It's not an yes calms everywhere else. He really is. He's in a lot of commercials on TV. Show so to answer your question. What I WANNA do is go through the halls history of hip hop great. And I thought of you to do this particular podcast because you're a hip hop fan. Yes and because often whether it's in conversation or at your wedding your referred to you are referred to as a hip hop Asian or hip hippos. Pino and. Maybe she's not maybe not have been allowed to say that well referring to my wife my wife who went on national television they called me hip hop in kind of the show but behind the scenes. Yes my wife making gaily very funny comedian. She's she has a bit about where she's married to hip hop Filipino. That bit so she. When she got invited to do fallon she had to tape the set. I'm over and over again. And then send it to the home the Booker. And then also the stadiums and the booker was like this is absolutely not allowed. Not You can't I don't care who you're talking about. The word Filipino can't say Filipinos aren't allowed to be talked about on national television but the booker was like you cannot talk about that. And then he sent the transcript to standards and practices and they allowed it. So it's interesting. I'm like what is is that an do you. Are you offended by? Perhaps as her half of the rent Filipino. I feel that doesn't feel critique coming out of my mouth it's not. It's not a slur slur except and I'm very much of that you really you know. It's it's quite literally a description. Yes yeah so I think Yeah I mean I think I've always aligned myself in that sort of culture of hip hop and I was. I was born in in Marshall Town Iowa in the nineties in like when you're Asian kid in an all white town you sort of get to pick what you want. What what group you line with and for me. It was like basketball nineties hip hop fresh prince I mean. Snl was part of that category too but yeah it was a lot of like hip hop was what. I sort of lean towards. Yeah and do it in your even in your style yes yes. It's it's reflected. Did I quit after one. Lesson of break dancing lessons. Yes I did. Ej Eerie seventh grade. Yeah I went to remember. We're playing basketball league spring basketball league. We're playing on the court next to us was a break dancing competition and we went at my me and my parents went over and asked d. Does anyone teach classes? My son would love to try. Oh my God and it was so hard break. Dance incredibly physical attack. God Yeah Yeah. You try to head spinner. Anything in the was more so just like deposes and like the three the break. Yeah the freezes and Just like the chart. I can only describe as like charging up to move up and I just couldn't even grasp charity momentum iphone charge up to two. Little League vamp up rock I do love break dancing. I cannot do it But I do love it. That is a cool culture. And it's very impressive. Very impressive when you see someone do it. You have to be strong. Yeah I am not strong like that. Were you there on the day when we had a break dancer when we were shooting that pilot yes and was so we saw. I seen the pilot with the break. Because it's right. It's supposed to be able. The joke is that it's supposed to be JOE MC Adam but it's like a bad trouble but then you pan out and then there. It's not a bad double. It's just other guy. There's just two guys who are dressed exactly the same gray joe. Yeah I am proud of that link to it in the show off. Oh yeah no doubt so. Let's let's go through the halls history of hip hop inductees. So we'll be able to. I remember every time we bring up hip hop I feel like you can name them off the top of your head and there's like seven or less inducted so let's stay rules. We're no what I'm saying is instead of saying how many there are or whatever. Let's just kind of go through it because I don't because you you have some sort of a hold on it kristen. Cj Voice CJ. Do you have any idea? No okay. Great. That'd be perfect. I'll probably does these questions here and there to you OK for merely so in two thousand five for that ceremony. The latest inductee. You could have would be someone who released a recording in nineteen seventy nine. And so you get grandmaster flash furious five who released a single in seventy nine called super rapid hell. Yeah which is a fun. Song was screaming baseless chicken and what is on the last one and so they made the bout that year for their first year their first year eligible for the two thousand and five ceremony. Now here is who else was on the ballot. That Year Buddy Guy Conway twitty Gram Parsons. J. Gyles band. Ram Parsons Leonard. Skinner Patti Smith Percy sledge the pretenders Randy Newman's sex pistols the stooges U2 and Wanda Jackson. Oh my goodness you guys think grandmaster flash furious five got in that. I don't think they did did not so that the it was Buddy Guy. The pretenders pretenders. Oj's Percy sledge and Youtube. Mike Yeah it's disturb. The cards are stacked against these hip hop art. Well no because they start running out of legendary rockers. Eventually it's going to happen so but to the halls credit put up those guys the first year they were eligible. Great right there. And there's not much inquest was not on the Non Comet this at that point no he was not in. Were there any surprise or were there any Not to like. Give Him all the credit for every hip hop back. I mean there's some. There's some legit like hip hop credibility people on the nominating committee. Both now and back then beyond quest. Feel like there'd be some the is it did they snub sugarhill gang so sugarhill. Gang is an interesting one and like a one hit wonder. Yeah I don't think sugarhill gang. I wouldn't be shocked if they were discussed in the room at the nominee committee. But get the sense that the sugarhill gang is not really respected. Because they were put together. They were not accrue. They were like put together. I think either by a record company or like by producer so that they could put out because hip hop. Is this new thing when you put out a hip hop song. Let's grab these guys who they were the spice girls the monkeys of crap. So I think that might have something to do with it okay. The fact that they're not as prefab is pretty cool name for a rap squad I get. I get the sense that that's why you can make a case for them but I don't I just don't think they're taking seriously God. You don't have like the one of the one of the verses in Reference Delight one about the chicken. That's my favorite of all the verses and ever went over a friend's house and the food. Just make good macaroni salad very much. Should I start wrapping? Tabacchi Franson show. So you're so that she say I'd do is like so stupid up? Feels like a joke. Do you know what I mean. Look a lot of hip hop back then was very much street jokes. Yeah a lot of the KANU lyrics street jokes in chicken versus the best. The most most memorable first few lines you know. So two thousand six they put up grandmaster flash and the furious five for a second time. Okay and on the ballot. This year is Cat Stevens. Chic Black Sabbath blondie Dave Clark five the J. Gals Band Joe Tex John Mellencamp Leonard Skinner Miles Davis Patti Smith Paul butterfield blues band the sex pistols the Sir Douglas Quintet and the stooges do you think grandmaster flash. I've gotten this year. No I know that many of those bands get in but some of them. Don't get it until later and so. It's just like miles Davis and like such a weird comparison and I know there's still not I don't know I guess not no so they do not get in this on their second second year eligibility and second time on the ballot in two thousand six it was black. Sabbath blondie Leonard Skinner. D- Miles Davis and the sex pistols seem like such iconic. And that's the second that's the second but the second NAM for the sex pistols. I it might be. It's more than that because they had been there a few times even before six pistols aren't getting in those first years Kurtis blow to no rights breaks. Yeah right yeah. So it's it's a thing of like you see how hard the more traditional rock acts have of a path and then to steer I mean at this point it's still there's been. No hip hop acts inducted. This point the first actor trying to get in is grandmaster flash and you have to imagine there is just resistance to the very idea but then. When do we get in the territory of like run? Dmc is like threatening to being the one solo rock as they say none higher income. So yeah then then you does it have to do with the backing track or is hip hop allowed to just be a part of rock and roll on a spiritual level all right. Let's go to two thousand seven. So we have grandmaster flash DIFFUSERS FIVE THIRD TIME AGAIN. Third Time on the ballot. Third Year eligible Short ballot this year. O- on the ballot. This year is Sheikh Dave Clark Five. He doesn't get an Joe Tax Patti Smith. Rem the Ron. That's the stooges and Van Halen. And that's all they get in. They get who? I think it's in this year. Yeah for sure. I think Van Halen as Patti Smith get in yet. I don't know probably Patti Smith who rem grandma's or flash. And then. I can't remember who else the other ones who are chic. Dave Clark Five Joe Tex Ron Edson the stooges stooges maybe I am condition you close to get in but otherwise you're you're on point van Halen. Rem Patti Smith and grandmaster flash. Get in. That was wild. That was pretty good. That was good. I mean it'd be weird if you're like. Oh Joe Tex certainly gets out Mike who I knew. Some of those people were not in. I couldn't remember if the ron nuts had gotten in or not or if they were part of the whole thing that we were talking about before with pop because all those efforts there are many and sales for sure. yeah so grandmaster flash furious five finally get in two thousand seven the first hip hop inductee the earned by Jay Z. Wow Do they perform so? I'll get to that. So Jay z gives a very short speech He's kind of reading off a paper and he's he doesn't is up with that. I don't love that He has kind of a terrible joke at the time. He doesn't something which I kind of like which is to get the crowd involved. He starts singing. He starts rapping the message. Yeah and then has the audience finisher. Yeah and then. He's like okay back. I got a speech though. Like yeah we knew. We weren't just going to do that. Jay Z wanted on the stage so the grandmaster flash furious five includes Mel Kid Creole Rahim Scorpio and cowboy. Now I know that yeah. That is the furious. Five cowboy had passed by then. His brother accepts on his behalf. And comes it's kind of a sweet gesture like comes with his cowboy hat. Yeah and is there like with the hat and just a little bit on the speeches they give Mellie Mell is kind of like the lead rapper of the furious. Five the one you would know anybody now. Email is the one but who's a grandmaster flash the DJ Thundery Mesh? The flash is like the first guy or one of the first guys to really loop tracks anti experiment with having a break and he along with a few other guys. He's really given a lot of credit for starting hip hop and I think that his what's weird is he's also not really on a lot of the studio tracks because there's not a lot of scratching which was his thing and like looping stuff they just of had the tracks in the studio and they didn't need him to be like fucking it up on a turn the records. Yeah but there is one record. That's out there. That is in a way. It just represents everything that flash was. It's called the adventures of grandmaster flash on the WHEELS OF STEEL. And it's like the super long track. I think it's maybe twelve minutes or something and it's just him sampling shit and scratching. And you Kinda feel of what it probably was like when he was. Dj -ing he say he say he say he say he say he say he say one for the trouble time come on girls. Let's dead at-bat national school fund shade to time. Come on girls. He was the model for what they were like. Dr Dre was first starting to try to do like saw the movie like he was wearing those flashy shiny outfits. Yeah and then. He like wanted to drop that like with the name embroidered in the band. Like unlike John Anchor. What was hot and Dr? Dre was initially starting to do and like people are telling me to do and then he dropped it and then that would haunt him one day. Yeah Right Yeah Easy. Even though so two and flashes speech is really good. You know he's Kinda just gives it up for the people who helped and like they kept the tradition going and gives it up for the furious five Mellie Mell has like an anti-violence message which is interesting. Because especially back then there the a lot of hip hop rappers. It was a little more Gangsta rap. Hadn't happened right so it's a lot more positive. It's like a lot of both music and partying. Yeah and Mellie and bullshit some might say but yeah male emails. His speech goes into like we. We shouldn't just be about selling drugs on the corner and he's like that might be real and like there's maybe a place for that but like we gotta get back to positive message and the best part is they cut to someone clapping in the crowd. And it's Al Sharpton I just I mean respectability. Politics are a little weird strange. It's very clearly you know. They're from a different era. And I think it's Scorpio who his speeches a lot about that It's so funny to say that it's normal. Then what Scorpio gives us speech? But he's he's like this is weird Were from the old school and like we've never kicked it with Jay z before. Like we've never met this guy or any of these people and he's like we gotta bring the old school in the school together. Like a lot of amazing things can happen. And of course that didn't happen and then I mean Mellie Mell just going back into the significance is interesting. They didn't put out the furious. Five did not put out a lot of stuff. They have like two albums than they broke up. Pretty quickly But like there's there's certain little things where you can that are like kind of sounding Mellie Mell is the first person to call himself an emcee. A kid creole's first person to say yes. Yes y'all what a bridge between verses. Yeah Kid Creole is also. He has very long straightened hair. But but at this point he's also Balding Very Far Coca Cola. Cowboy created the term hip hop. What so there are these little things about these guys that even beyond the music. It's like Oh the significance there is insane. And the fact that like flash is creating scratching looping and all these other techniques that everybody is pretty crazy so they do. They do perform they did they. And it's kind of funny because it's old school way of performing the kind of come out and pose hell. Yeah and they're like they're introducing each other and coming out and like take an almost like tableau that's tight and it's interesting that you bring that back. I would love that. Y- well we don't have a lot of crews anymore loved if Wu Tang came out and then just like did a freeze and like post and then they introduced each other. Who's who else is a crew right. Now I don't Know Elaine. Like in terms of hip hop crews. I guess like the last crew was five now. Well Tyler and them would solve together So they and they have the put cowboy's hat like on like a poll. That's switches really. Oddly touching like a mike stand almost like San. But it's yeah it's just on it's just set up and in a vacuum. That's very stupid like just a cowboy hat like but it's it's oddly. Moving they play super rapin too far. Mc rocket so the only team in all the ladies go a cowboy cowboy is kind of a medley of what they do and they go into freedom which is a very fun track. Do the walk. And then they do a little bit of white lines. Which actually isn't a flash song. After they broke up. And it's grandmaster Melle but I think it's so yeah and also I think everyone thinks it's flash. I thought that they pay the law. You pay were in Iraq. What is interesting? I didn't know about this performance. Rahim does a very quick verse from Naza. 's where are they now? Eighties Remix guy familiar with the song. Where they now neff. I heard it. There's a few different remixes to that GNAWS did he doesn't eighties remix in the nineties. Remix and on the remixes he the whole song is about like they're all these rappers. I came up with what happened to them. Why aren't they still around? Where are they now? You might say in the Eighties Remix. Rahim actually has a verse crack cocaine. He starts to do this verse. And then there's a fake scuffle onstage on stay performance a fake Scotland under like what what's going on. And then they go into the message. It's Corny but like wondering. How often is this? Does it look corny because these old dudes are like trying to put on a show? I know it kind of goes back and forth. You get surprised sometimes that rules and then other times you're like man you are but that is so cool. I love it. I also like it when there. I think it's better than if they came out and tried to. Do you know keep their heads ringing or whatever you know what I mean like I. I like it better that they were like this is what we do. We come out freeze. It was fun we used to do. Like a fake scuffle in the middle and like you know it would be fun. Plan thing. Yeah you know. The reasons they're inducted. We Wanna see that instead of them. Try trying to gangsters or whatever. So that is a grandmaster flash to I. Five are the first hip hop inductee. That's where it all finally happened in two thousand seven. Why don't we take a little bit of a break? When we come back we will review the rest of the Rock. Hiphop inductees baby right back. Telephones welcome back everybody. We hope you had a nice break. We hope over your break. You clarified a reference that you made to a friend. Could he be talking? Who knows all right so Linden hour ago? Let's go. Let's go to two thousand eight the next year. We have to hip hop artists on the ballot. This year we have Africa Bomba who actually became eligible back in two thousand six The Zulu nation throwdown single was from nineteen eighty one of the winter path. And then we have the Beastie boys and this is the Beastie boys first year eligible. Who because they had an EP called poly stew in Nineteen eighty-two which was anxious upon cracked? Yeah so they weren't even doing hip. But they were called the beastie boys and so that they are eligible for that all right years. Who else was on the ballot in two thousand and we have chic the Dave Clark Five Donna Summer John Mellencamp Leonard Cohen Madonna and the ventures or they get in. Okay then Beastie boys get in but African Bug Badeah does not okay. What do you think seizure? Must they be the same thing as kristen? I feel like and I think the other people that get in Mar Madonna way. But I'm trying to because I've seen the one where the beastie boys get in and I don't think it because then we don't. We did not but I. Maybe we didn't have the whole episode because I did not see because I know the stooges performed for Madonna's induction so I can't really. This is a test of your memories. You know how all those go very. Well I mean I think maybe we just didn't have the whole ceremony. And that's a bummer. Because I think it was Madonna. The beastie boys. It's not chic. It's Donna summer. Get in that year or would i? So but I mean the thing about these. Dave Clarke Clarke Five. I don't think it I don't know if they got an ally. They being teased. Dave Dave. Okay I'm also trying to remember 'cause we use now. I'm remembering that we use to do this. We wouldn't shown the the ballot for the year and try to gas. Who was getting into a year ago if you could if I had seen If I could see the list I would. I think I'd be able to choose US guys in two thousand eight neither of them get in And it's Dave Clark five John Mellencamp Leonard Cohen Madonna and the ventures. That's I knew Vallon camp and Leonard Cohen. Got In Kinda fucked up about this. Year is The white people get in and then the only white people don't get in are the ones who are in a black genre east. Us The PEOP- The people left out in this year is African. Bamba BEASTIE BOYS CHIC ON SUMMER. But you know what in award seasons in the future? They figure that out never a problem again that that was the last time it ever happened. That makes sense. You know what in Tell me. Does it make factor factor in that? The beastie boys are eligible. But that first piece of music wasn't significant. I don't really think so. I mean like Michael Jackson was inducted. He was eligible because he was putting out shit when he was a little boy. Right right and like that's really not the Michael Jackson career and even stevie wonder similarly he was putting out shit when he was little stevie wonder and like sixteen got inducted. Pretty much the alphabet. Honest question asked for when Yodel boy is is. You can obviously later is later. Career will be the one that will be celebrating. Exactly Perfect Okay. So no hip hop in two thousand eight damn one in per year. You would think that would be a wise move yet. Because if you don't put in one year you're going to start to get a backlog then it becomes it becomes difficult all right two thousand nine. We have on the ballot for the first time. I you're eligible run DMC. They get in the Gaza they because they had put out a single. Nineteen eighty-three called. It's like that yes now. Also and there's a great respect also on the ballot this year. Bobby Womack Chic Jeff Beck Little Anthony. And the imperials Metallica the stooges Wanda Jackson and war. Okay run DMC METALLICA and the stooges all get in this year and I can't. I'm like had do not know who else got in. That was a weird balance. Sheet doesn't get in this year. Here's the thing she has nominated. I think seventeen times times. She nominated eleven times they never get in and then they just put Nile Roger in the STRU. The memory there is tight all right guys run. Dmc GETS in verse. You're eligible two thousand nine also in that year Bobby Womack Jeff Beck little. Anthony imperials METALLICA. And then they use one of those side categories the early influence category to put one Jackson in Okay so run. Dmc GETS in on their first year of eligibility and this is the first hip hop act to get in first year first ballot. They are inducted by EMINEM. I feel like I've seen this these kind of dress like them. He has like the black hat and the black coat. His speech is pretty good Adidas. You know you don't really see below the podium in the footage. Yeah but yeah. He was a good speech. It's not like Jay Z. Which who's speech seems truncated confused. He you can tell 'em really cares and it's like the reason I'm here is because of run DMC like no question. They are the hip hop Beatles. He has as they would say mad. Respect for food allergies forefathers so run DMC is obviously run. Joseph Simmons DMC Darryl mcdaniels who during his speech says oddly. I'll see you in two thousand five years as a solo artist. He's GonNa just put out an album that day right. Yeah he's taking that long. Yeah it's it's very weird but he he's you know Darryl gets super-hype yeah basic. Anytime he talks. I've listened to him. Tell a story about how he was super hype and he's talking about how much he loves. Sarah mclachlan hell. Yeah is he the guy who sounds like? He's crying US shit and Jim. J. Was Yeah Johnny. And gymnasts his mom award on his behalf. They do not play. Do not perform at this point. They felt weird about performing without Jay. Okay I think it's still fresh in. Just like yeah. This is two thousand eight to nine thousand nine. That would have been eight years since two thousand one and one thousand. That's a pretty long time. This is a long long time but also you know you. Can't you know when someone is when people are grieving and that kind of you can't put a timeline on it? But I if I had to. I'd say that's a lot for that moment. They do it to tribute there and and also because we know that they eventually do start performing together and get into reality shows you. Maybe there was a reality show at that point. He's House who's runs. Been Show is that runs. Ios ends it by saying that it might be a theme was like his catchphrases. What are you going to do that? I was like not GonNa say it was kind of like how I o who ate all the last cookies like I did go on the blue collar comedy George. Yeah yeah and GM Esther Jay died in two thousand two. There wasn't a performance here because I could have been really cool undo anything no yeah they all just walked away or have someone else perform some of their their hits. Metallica's there down and obviously aerosmith could've came and performed. Yeah right that would have been cool and that would have been very appropriate. Should I program all right? Let's go to two thousand and ten. I you're eligible nominee. Ll Cool J. Had had a single in nineteen eighty-four. I need a beat classic single mom. He is on the ballot. Two thousand ten with Abba the Sean tells Darlene Love Donna. Summer Genesis the hollies Jimmy Cliff. Kiss Laura Narrow Red Hot Chili peppers and the stooges. I know the answer to this. I'M GONNA say he gets in okay. Ll Cool J. does not get in. Okay knock it in L. Cool j Abbas elsag. Can I say who I think? Yeah sure I'm trying to remember now. Oh I had I was keeping track in my head. This is it. This is two thousand ten. Did we watch the ceremony? Watches okay then. So then Laura Niro did not get in correct and the no. I never have seen the stooges did the Madonna induction is. We also didn't see but maybe the stooges do. Oh I bet the STOOGES PULL JOAN. Jett they get in on the strength of their Trivia Their performance with that stooges Abba and stooges correct Abba correct genesis. Oh yeah the HOLLIES Jimmy cliff in. That's the that's the class for that year for a little class skipped hip hop again. Yes once again skipped hip in no more Africa. Bombarda and Bamba is gone. Handle a non return to the ballot and I just yeah I guess I don't understand like they just lose significance and yeah. I think what we're seeing. Now is a nominating them. There may be trying to clear a lane. Like if there's too many hip hop like what happened when they had the beastie boys and Bam Bata on the year and it didn't work may be trying to clear lane for L. O. Cool Joe was. Yeah all right. Two thousand eleven we've got L. J. Back for a second time on his second year of eligibility combat. Don't dare and then. We've got the beastie boys returning to the ballot for their second time. This is two thousand eleven also on about this year Alice. Cooper Bon. Jovi Zeke Chuck Willis Darling Love Donna. Summer Donovan Dr John. J gals Ban Joe Tex Laura Nero. Neil diamond and. Tom Waits Alice Dr John. The beastie Boys Laura Niro Dr Drew Without Adam Corolla and love line I don't know I don't know who go L. O. Cool J. And the beastie boys don't get in very hip hop this year. The backlog is getting it's Alice. Cooper Darlene love Dr John Neil Diamond and Tom Waits. I'll get in the circus so we did not see this one. We did we did we. John Run yeah. This is like the weird like Halloween year. Tom Waits Alice Cooper Dr John and I think also we on Russell who also has looks like a wizard like Dr John. Is Voodoo man? Deeper is a horror creature and Tom. Waits sings in his speeches. I gotTa Sing Halloween. So tell me this. Do People then who've been nominated and don't make it do they then have plays the next year like sort of Released albums or like to up their relevance. Sometimes they'll died away really. No I mean ultimate power play that's when NCA OH. I just remember when MCA so so let's go to two thousand twelve. Mca has cancer there. It is so and that's public knowledge. The beastie boys are on the ballot for the third time and then on the ballot for the first time in their first year. Eligible is Eric B and rock him because they had a single. Eric B is President is back to the also on the ballot and this year the cure donna summer Donovan Freddie King Guns and Roses Heart Jones at the black hearts more narrow. Red Hot Chili peppers. Oh Rufus featuring Chaka Khan. The faces the spinners and war. Wow Fuck I know so. Many of these bands get in eventually and some of them. Never get in so I cannot. I don't know if this is. I know that I know that. He has cancer when they get in. But I don't know how long he has cancer for. I just feel like I know that Eric B and rock him do not get in this year. Okay so I think I've been so wrong so many times. So maybe I'll just keep at it at no and just to recap. We haven't had a hip hop inductees since two thousand nine. Yeah to say yes so I think they get in this year. St Boys do get in. And then is this the Laura narrow year and this is the year. We're alone. Aveiro guns and roses pit. Niro the Red Hot Chili peppers in the faces. Get in and then they sneak Freddie king as an early influence. They're still putting Donna summer on the ballot over and over again as you can on a summer is also getting sick at this point yet. Not Sick enough not sick enough. So yeah we see. Boys were inducted in. Cheer question about do artists. Who aren't getting into the make plays do they? Maybe play the game a little bit too Ryan. the Beastie boys are inducted by Chuck D and? Ll Cool J. Who at this point has been snubbed? A few times. So He's showing up. You know showing up showing house a you know putting on a good face I mean. Obviously he's closed with the beastie boys through DEF JAM and he even says in his speech. The beastie boys gave Rick Rubin. Ll's Demo So like he's responsible. It's also interesting hearing Chuck D. Who's not eligible yet? Public enemy at this point is not eligible but hearing Chuck D. be like the Beastie boys influence public enemy so so much. And you're like. Oh Yeah I guess okay. Given how political public enemy is and you. Think about the beastie boys who are great. But I wouldn't not all them legal political later when they were in no way influencing right there and that's and that's why we are so for Tabet and freedom so at this point. Mca is still alive. But he's not well enough to go to the ceremony. So Ad Rock and Mike deer there and then they re and I'm GonNa Start to the NCAA sense about it and it's it's really sweet and MCA dies like a few weeks later. Damn man because not all through them aren't there they don't perform but there is a tribute performance. And I would love for you to guess. Who's in this Trivia Eminem? Dr Dre I wish so. I'll give you give you the medley that they play. They do no sleep till Brooklyn Seen. They do new style. Do what you want Ryan. And Steal. In and sabotage. His IS CISCO IT. Is You have a connection to some of these really. I feel like it is a weird one leg I may have seen before. It's all weird ones. It is three weird choices. Okay so you have been in the room with these with this group. He shouldn't have done this. Yeah Yeah Oh the roots there yeah yes. Cj used to write for Jimmy Fallon so black thought is doing a lot of the vocals inquest. Love actually picks up of Oakland well but the roots are the backing band. Okay so there are three artists in matching green jumpsuits kind of doing the BBC voice vocals. Black thought is one of them. Cy Traffic McCoy Donovan. From Gym Class Hero. Yeah they were like a real band then right. Two thousand twelve seems lates girlfriend song. Yeah wait are you ready for a night in the room with this person because you worked in Detroit for Awhile Kid Rock? Yeah why but I get why. Because he's lying he used to kind of wrap. It is Russ especially well. I mean I feel like back. Then he was like acceptable to even I mean I mean in the trump era. He's completely unacceptable. So that would have been like hugh probably he's probably done like run. Dmc tribute before two. Oh sure some Mike. He's definitely like a student of hip hop. Or whatever I I just underwhelming given how many great I mean L L Yeah era. I can see why they wouldn't yes and like let's get some more contemporary like kid. Rock Iraq yeah very perceived amongst the public. I I mean usually the rock hall is not perceived at all by the public as the title and Blah. Nobody's paying attention. I think anyone who noticed. It was probably like that's weird. I'll see that when we watched it. I was dismayed. Twenty two automatic. Picking fact that some of these performances in not just maybe this show is like. Hey let's introduce this classic legendary music to a young audience and that is a good goal but like it's just miffed in the process often by that. Add up all right. Let's go to two songs. Now it's twenty thirteen. We've got to hip hop artists on the ballot. Both I you're eligible public enemy. Because they rush the show was from eighty seven style. GonNa Knock you right then. Nwea because their debut single panic zone also from nine hundred eighty seven public enemy NWEA. We've also gotten about this year Albert King Sheikh Deep Purple Donna Summer Heart Joan. Jett in the black hearts craftwork the marvel at the meters pub butterfield. Blues Band Pro Call Harem. Randy Newman and rush. Okay Heart Paul Butterfield. Blues Band and I'm trying to think of a hip hop inductee. I think that it's public. I think it's public enemy. That gets in okay. Public enemy does get in. Nwea does not get it and also getting in that year's Albert King. Donna summer was Alpha King Donna. Summer had just died yes heart. Randy Newman and rush. I was close though I mean I knew her. Of course public enemy is inducted by two people separate speeches which they don't do very often spike Lee and then Harry Belafonte four public enemy Republican. Yeah we'll spike Lee makes sense makes sense the Belafonte. I don't remember he and that group are like very close politically. Maybe most of all just in terms of social consciousness in music. They've just been very connected for time. So the members of public enemy is Chuck D flavor. Flav professor Griff and return to the group who performs with them terminator x the DJ. And I looked it up. He left the group and what he has been and I guess was doing at. The time is running an ostrich farm blow wider. I probably some bum fuck nowhere. I have his are real scary right. Oh yeah they can. They can fuck you up. They are so scary. Ostriches Woo. They got powerful heads. They will throw down at. You like Terminator X. He's all his yeah. Was He with the dress? Typically thanks me. Their feathers ostrich guys. This is not a lot of information on Terminator XS Ostrich Farm Work Song See. There's no information. Hey tweet at us. If you have any of that information make sure you tag me in it and I promise I will care. That's a documentary or at the very least funds short documentary. I very rarely ask our fans to contact me or include me in their communication. But if you find out anything about this please include me in? The communication though is like a very celebrity thing that went. Don't WANNA BE CELEBRITIES ANYMORE. Or are they fall into a bunch of money? Like fell goes to Ohio. I just goes to a farm Huey Lewis's got he's in Montana. He's like He's just ranch in Montana. That's a pretty big thing to do. Lived in Montana for his tenure as a talk show. Yeah really crazy. The speeches are really are pretty good. Apparently Flavor Flav goes on for like thirty minutes in the broadcast. They cut it down to like you know a minute and Chuck d gives one of the most rousing like convincing. You might not think hip hop should be in the rock and Roll Hall of fame but we all come from the blues and I. It's it's a pretty great speech as you can imagine. You could give a good orator in. This is the ceremony when Flava flav comes down to the front his wife. Who is he while in Florida for? Hudson's doing a Donna summer tribute and it's she seeing like last dance last chance for love and Flavor Flav. No one else is doing. This flavor runs down to the lip of the stage. And it's like dancing and putting his hands up and like there's no way they can shoot around it like it's and there's no way distract because he wearing is on clock. I one thing. He does say formal grandfather clock will he? He does say he liked promises. He's like this things going in the museum. Baby yeah boy and he hit okay he does have some things that are kind of interesting re talks about how at the time rappers and he he does like kind of an impression of. Mellie mell where he's like at the time everyone is just like a jungle with some time and then I come in with this high pitched squeal and nobody who wants to be around me except for Chuck D. Who Sees me recognized me and it's like I see the value of what you're doing. I see the flavor you could bring to the situation if you will. And then they perform and it's really great they do bring the noise they do. Nine one one is a joke and they do fight. The power work right for buckle was and what's great is. The camera gets a shot towards the end of fight. The power of Quincy Jones Oprah embracing in a sense where they're almost like. Can you believe this is avenue like fucking public is ripping it up on this like fancy stage? Good 'cause Quincy Jones was also inducted that year and Oprah gave speech all right show. Let's go to twenty fourteen. We've got for the third time on the ballot. Ll Cool J. And for the second time on the ballot. Nwea we've also got cat. Stevens Chic Deep Purple Hall notes. Kiss Linda Ronstadt link wray the meters Nirvana Paul Butterfield. Blues Ban Peter Gabriel replacements. Yes in the zombies. Do you think of these guys get in. This is the great year. This is the year that was the best of the inductions right. This is a really great. This is the great induction year. I know who gets? Would you like to take some guesses? What'd you think? The HIP hop. Yeah I'm Jay and who else N W W? A third time for LS twenty fourteen fourteen. I'm going to say anyway does not get in L. O. Cool Jacobson all right as the opposite. Neither the not. It's not the opposite doesn't get into this year. It's Cat Stevens Holidays Kiss Nirvana in Peter. Gabriel no hip hop this year Let's go to two thousand fifteen. Nwea's on the ballot for the third time that's the only hypothesis when Nominee stratacom is coming out. Straight OUTTA COMPTON comes out later this year. Okay Oh okay also on the ballot bill withers. She Green Day. Joan Jett's blackheart craftwork. Lou Reed the marvel at nine inch nails Paul butterfield blues band the Smiths the spinners stevie Ray Vaughan and double trouble staying in war green day and the I can't remember who else definitely get in this year. Old Green Day and Joan Jacket in this year. I think does. Nwea NWEA does not get damn bill withers Green Day Jonestown. The Black Hearts Lou Reed Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Stevie Ray Vaughan and double trouble this is also a good induction Ringo. Into which is. It's a pretty good ceremony ceremony. It's a lot of fun a lot of tribute performances because Lou Reed had just died most of the people in Paul Butterfield. Blues Band are not around. I really shocked. And even though bill withers alive. He doesn't perform anymore stevie wonder while he performed. I love it all right. Twenty six to twenty sixteen. Nwea on the ballot for the fourth time in a row also on the ballot this year year of the best ballots also on the ballot. This year the cars Chaka Khan cheap trick Chic Chicago deep purple the JB's Janet Jackson Los Lobos nine inch nails. The Smith the spinners Steve Miller and yes and and yes. Yes yes yes. I'M GONNA say they get in they go get in? Steve Miller gets in and I don't know who else so this is after strategy competent came so they do get now. You got to imagine that helped. Yeah Dr dre beats by dre became it was becoming a thing stuff. Yeah I think Compton in the album came out yes. Nwea finally gets in. We hadn't had a hip hop inductees since public enemy twenty. Thirteen Dan and Doobie way gets in. Nwea's inducted by Kendrick Lamar. He gives a great speech very meaningful to him August. I didn't mention this year. Cheap Chicago deep purple. And Steve Miller vary classic rock. Yeah it was a weird year and remind me again. It's twenty years twenty five. Live right okay. So they're adopted by Kendrick Lamar and then there to accept Dr Dre Ice Cube. Dj Yellow Mc Ren and then easy East family they do not perform but ice cube does space. Cuba has a great speech. Almost in like Chuck d vein reads like I don't even know if he calls up Gene Simmons by name because Gene Simmons is every year is like hip OPS. Not Rock and roll. They shouldn't be in the hall of fame. Racially charged you. It is as mar man. Gene Ice Cube is like you know you have to consider that rock and roll is an attitude and that it's not just like rock. Music does so many different things and are we rock and roll. Hell Yeah were rock and roll and I guess they had wanted to perform. The hall was not able to meet their demands and they weren't able to compromise racially charged Yeah I'm curious what they wanted to do. Because I think the hall would have wanted them to perform but like if they these ceremonies aren't super easy to produce. Because you have like five acts you have to clear the stage and get it ready for the next person while someone is giving a speech. It's hard to do so I'm curious. Nearly always a New York. It goes back and forth between the Barclay Center in Brooklyn and the Public Hall in Cleveland. At least for the past few years for me I I would think it would always be in Cleveland. Yeah I yeah they just go back and people do that all right. Let's go to two thousand seventeen on the ballot for the first time I you're eligible because of his nineteen ninety one debut album to pacalypse now Berkshire Cork Seth Away. Leaving the brings so sprightly can't complain prostitute fans sleep at Bryn. The name has gotten the only hip hop artists on the ballot. Also about this year bad brains. The cars shock con Chic Depeche Mode Electric Light Orchestra J. Gals band. Jane's Addiction Janet Jackson Joan Baez Joe Tex journey craftwork. Mc Five Pearl Jam Steppenwolf. Yes keep in mind. That bad brains are a lock. That's one of the. That's one of the wilder me now. I'm trying to think okay getting now. But he might have came on the scene a little bit later than to park right. I'M GONNA say two buckets in all right. You're right you're right. Yes two buckets immediately and also that year fly is electric. Light Orchestra. Joan Baez Journey Pearl Jam and yes grade class and Joe Ceremony started going. Yes and it is a great ceremony. He's inducted by Snoop Dogg. Stu gives a great speech. There is no one there to accept the award and onto bucks behalf because he does not have any family alive. Use is what year again. Twenty seven is the one where all the Pearl Jam fans bought. All the ticket item I was like blasting social media being like someone. Please help me. Get Bill Simmons bottle all the good performance. Alicia keys does She's at the piano on the keys on the keys. Does ambitions as a right. I get around. I ain't mad at your Mama and changes. I like that it's awesome. Does her Little Alicia keys. Talking in the middle of she's I figured I'd just come here with my piano keys and just have a little place. Some of my favorite ones. You know what I'm saying so you feeling like we feeling good in helping set sets round there. I likely she can great. And then snoop dogg comes back out with why and they do. Two of America's most wanted and then comes out from ninety by nature is the actor encourage and then He. He does Hail Mary and then. Ti comes out. Just keep your head. I'm GONNA that's that sounds awesome. Cool good picks it just bombs the out. I just think that like you know kid rock will always have done the BCC all right. Let's go to two thousand eighteen. Ll Cool J. back on the ballot forth for about him. We've gone on about this year. Yeah Bon Jovi the cars depeche mode dire straits eurythmics. J. Gyles Band Judas priest Kate Bush link wray MC five the meters Moody Blues Nina Simone Radiohead rage against the machine rufus featuring Chaka Khan sister. Rosetta tharp and zombies. You you think L. L. Kits in this year. Cj Oh boy. Fortunately I know the whole slate. That guy walks in when he wasn't Halloween each two year does he know say no. He does not get it out. I just don't remember him ever. I feel like I would hear him getting in. Yeah so this year it's Bon Jovi. The cars dire straits Moody Blues Nina Simone and they sneak sister. Rosetta tharp in the early influence category. This is a underwhelming year. It sounds like it. I did not like it. Yeah I mean this is the first one. Kristen Watch. Watch the Moody. Blues Burly bummed me out it was long and also I knew nothing really about this episode in something we had not been doing the show for very long and Joe was like yes. Just you know here. This is where you linked to it here. You can go watch it. I'm like this is three now. I watch for two hours and I almost just. I wanted to give up so badly for me to be here. We are all right years later. It's twenty nineteen which was just last year. Ll Cool J. on the ballot for the fifth time starting to set record numbers in terms of times on the ballot. He's no chic though also on about this year. The Cure DEF LEPPARD DIVA Janet Jackson John Ryan Craftwork Mc five radiohead rage against the machine Roxy Music Rufus featuring Chaka Khan stevie Nicks Todd Rundgren and the zombies. I just don't think he gets in this. He does not get him. Yeah The Cure. Def leppard Janet Jackson radiohead Roxy Music Stevie Nicks zombies and tough New York and watch it. We both of US okay. Yeah and that was last year. It was great ceremony but fucking sucks that. L. J. didn't get in. Yeah all right now here we are. We've made it to twenty twenty with a notorious Beog first-year eligible for nineteen ninety-four is ready to die gets in your and is again Depeche Mode Doobie. Brothers nine inch nails t-rex. Houston made it over Dave Matthews Band Judas Priest's craftwork MC five motorhead path Benetton Rufus featuring Chaka Khan soundgarden thin lizzy and Todd Rundgren. So he naming in nominated he did so. We did not this year. Deny the so. Ll I'm sorry L. L. They were they clearly house clearing paths for the hip hop inductees. That they can so clearly. We're at a point where it's not happening every year and there's a backlog that's created right into the halls credit they're putting PIPPA inductees every year since you pretty much could. Yeah since grandmaster flash. It's the voting body that has kind of shit the bed but the names are going to start getting big. They are so. Why don't the thing is then? We're going to have skipped over EMINEM. We're GONNA have through. This is Jay. Z Z. Yeah the year after that. Twenty twenty two eminem twenty twenty three. And I'm just going to go through the bigger names that I have shown twenty twenty. Three's MISSY ELLIOTT. Twenty twenty four is Lauren Hill. Twenty twenty-five is when you get Lil Wayne Fifty cent and then you kind of. You're kind of in a dark period until twenty twenty nine is when you finally get Konya. Nellie Kendrick is twenty thirty five so as Drake and then nicky massages twenty thirty six. Well I'd say for the day Nikki gets in. I'd say of those I think. Jay Z and EMINEM are locks. Yeah and then. We'd kind of get a little too far where I can't fully I don't know but let's also talk about who is eligible now and has never been nominated I think. Dj Cool Herk who along with grandmaster flash kind of created the idea of Patie- just put him in. Then I thing is he did not really release recordings he was just as DJ. Who was coming up with? All these innovations musical excellent musical excellence. He should be put in a separate category. Forget what the category is your who should go. If you're putting in hip hop inductees. You should have some of these side. Categories reflect that now. Iced tea has been eligible since two thousand nine but so I- categorize him L. Cool J cultural significance. Hugh which is what I am talking about on the show maybe not so much well I agree. L L L L has so much showed a lot of impact as far as like opening up hip hop in particular to women like making fans of having female thing was the first solo rap superstar L. And also like I can name five L. Songs at the top of my head ice tea. It's I can't really and he's a killer for me cop killer. I know just because of a court case mostly salt and pepper became eligible in two thousand twelve. Oh Yeah Big Daddy. Kane became eligible. Twenty Thirteen de la soul became eligible in two thousand fourteen tribe. Called Quest Ho Boy Jian. They seem like one of these years. Went and after after five died. I thought maybe the ballet big album recently I just like you know also is waiting l. We'll get their act so Cypress Hill. Ice Cube also became eligible in two thousand sixteen when that be wild if ice cube gets twice before El Al Gets Wu Tang clan Dr Dre and nozzle became eligible in two thousand every year. We don't have a hip hop inductee. It's like the backlog just gets bigger because we're getting more than one worthy inductee per year and then two thousand nineteen. We haven't Andrey should absolutely be in as dog in two thousand nineteen also outcast in the cheese. So it's like we have a we already have a huge backlog and so now it's crazy because when you get to a year like this year you have to make a lane for notorious B I g even though you have all these dudes who came before him well at the point. We're at the point right now. With hip hop where we were with rock traditional rock where we are just legends. Only icons only. Do you know what I mean like. They're just so many there's no feasible Pam. I also because they weren't huge even though they're extremely influential. Yeah and it's a shame because there should be. Yeah and you have to wonder is GonNa get Moody Blues One day. You know seventeen years from now we never put daylight hours are GonNa have to wait a long time which is too bad but that my friends is the history of hip pop and the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Don't have the hasn't the justice hasn't been served yet. No but you know. I'm I'm hoping this year and the next year and the year after that were definitely going to have hip duckie's and hopefully that kind of focuses in of like you have to have won a year. Hey keep your head up. You will will the rock side of it. Get a little bit lighter. Then you're you're saying we're just about to. We've swapped out the sixties. The seventies are getting pretty cleared up at this point. You listen to me. It is wild to me sometimes with the analysis. The extraordinary which I can speak on these matters but we are going to get to a point where it's going to thin out. As far as they're just not as much rock rap became counterculture in the ninety s and has remained it ever since and rock has stuff has stopped being as counter cultural and as culturally iconic and important. And they're GONNA get to a point where there aren't going to be a ton of options like there. There's I think though then the tributes a new performance performing some of those like like a Drake Travis Scott performing L. At any of these guys I think it would be very cool Or getting back together even just this year it will be interesting to see who does the tribute for big because it could be a lot of artists really really cool and we will be there. You should come with us. When is it may second or something? Maybe I don't care I'll go to come and nowhere to Cleveland. You know their place. I go to take. I heard you love it. We'll go. Is The basketball season happening at that point? It doesn't matter okay. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist - Class of 2014

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist - Class of 2014

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the Rock Hall. A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah and I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame with me as always someone who's a little more skeptical of the institution live via zoom video chat. It's kristen stuttered. Zil baby a care I am. I am own little punchy today and I'm ready. I'm ready to Dare I say at rock okay. Perfect that's that's all I can ever ask you. Kristen is if you're ready to rock so here we are. I don't know how many weeks it's been. I know that I'm on day. Fifty four of my quarantine or of myself isolation. Whatever you WANNA call it because that is my streak on duo Lingo. There you go. That's how I this is our seventh Corentin playlist episode. Where to kind of kill time as we don't know what's going on with Iraq Hall together playlists that are quarantined theme with each song reflecting something about our situation one from each artist of a rock hall class and we have made it to twenty fourteen year. That means nothing to you. I mean fourteen. I lived in Los Angeles at this point. Yes so what was the word on the street about the Rock Hall at that time? Though there were no words on that street I was cruising down sunset boulevard and not a damn not a peep not a beep nothing. Well I'll tell you this. We came off of a good year last week. Twenty fifteen yeah. That was a good year and I will entity this is going to be another valley. I will say that two thousand fourteen is also a great year is this the Nirvana year. Could be oh I remembered. Why don't we start off with an extremely quarantine? Any social distance see song from Nirvana called. Stay away that was. Stay away from Nirvana's second studio album. The smash hit so success. One of the most monumental albums of all time never mind from Nineteen ninety-one. That song was not released as a single and is probably one of the handful of songs from that album that you won't hear on rock radio or wouldn't back in the in the heyday. How many singles were there on? Never mind it's a weird thing because the radio would play songs that weren't necessarily single singles but if we're talking about what was officially released four smells like Teen Spirit come as you are lithium and in bloom but also you know the radio would play drain you. They play polly so it was only. Yeah it was an awful. A of those became popular also after the unplugged. Or whatever right. They didn't actually play a lot of the songs from never mind as a choice on unplugged because I think that was what was expected but they did play polly. Holly definitely a took a well. You know I'm GonNa say it They kick ass you know. They are in my favorite band. I do know that I do know that. it's Nirvana and Abba Right. Maybe I don't know yeah. I think those are your favorite bands. I don't know that I would see. They're my two favorite but Abbas up there like that I think around birth not joking around. I'm serious this is I'm not joking. It sounds like I would be getting. I am not joking. I know that you like Abba a lot. I think they're in your top three. Who else would be in your top three? Oh dismiss the cure pixies junior talking heads. Stevo Abba number two slava. Who Liked Abba ally was? Kurt cobain. I believe that I get. Who doesn't like Abba Right? We'll also talk. Kurt had a lot of pop. Tendencies Downtown and that. That's that's the thing is I think that was a constant conflict for him was that he's like this hunk. He wants to be this punk underground guy but I also think he really is drawn to Hooky pop music. Well I mean like even it's like this is a very hooky song and it's about how he doesn't WanNa be cool or right at the core of all of Nirvana whether it's being said or not that's like kind of push and pull to UVA has at least for our generation and the now times has become. It's not just okay to like Abba but you've got like Abba. Everybody Likes Abbott. It's it's weird that they were really revile. That's absolutely true so it's just very interesting. I was like Oh of course. He's liked Abba. Probably people would not have at the time that that wouldn't have been a cool thing to admit additional notes about the song. This song was called pay to play. And there's an early demo version where he's singing pay to play instead of stay away. Also the very last lyric God is gay. Is Kurt would spray paint on trucks? Kurt was ahead of his time. Gay Rights Advocate also with women's rights as well absolutely a progressive guy. I remember in the Kathleen Hanna Documentary. They were talking about how she she named. Smells LIKE TEEN SPIRIT? She had written it on. His Wall referencing veto deodorant of. But he didn't know that. Team Spirit was a deodorant brand. You thought it was like this poetic. And then he made like one of the most important rock songs of all time. Let's move on to another song. Kind of about social distancing. You can meet up with people if you want to. But you obviously have to keep your distance and you can't physically interact so let's listen to a song from the East street band called. You can look but you better not touch shopping. Walk what's a Su- suspicion to bat arrived back bad that was you can look but you better not touch from. Bruce springsteen off of his fifth studio album the river released in nineteen eighty. I credited that to the e street band though because it was the East street band and not Bruce who were inducted. The musical excellence category in two thousand. Fourteen with Bruce. Having been inducted as soon as he was eligible back in ninety nine wrestling's of that song I was like man. This is the kind of song that I would like to hear live. It doesn't do much for me via recording. It just sounds like man. I wish I was at a bar listening to this song. I wish I was seeing. This bands played this song live. Yeah and there are people who will may be say that about the e street band overall. Which is that really if you want to. Experience their music to the fullest. Hearing them live is the way to go well now. They are like fish in that way. Oh No oh I just I. I mean to say once again. Someone is drying that obvious comparison to fish from the street band and I get it because sometimes I hear music and I'm like am I listening to fish? Oh No it's Bruce springsteen you get me it's just how it goes also When I was Gurgling the lyrics house looking at because I'm like fan this a real also just like it is what it says and it says what it is. You could look but you better not touch. It covers every angle of that idea. I dropped a vase with the vase. Antique shop and then it goes onto the more romantic ways of interpreting that. Frizz well what I know. Is that when you Google? You could look but you better not touch. The first auto population is wiggles up in chairs. A song by the wiggles called. You can look but you better not touch and it is about snakes interesting. 'cause I again. That's another one where there could be a lot of angles could be. The stove could be all sorts of dangerous things for children so this is actually called snakes parentheses. You can look but you better not touch okay. Teaching the children. I bet it's because of the wiggles are in Australia. I think Australian and there's a lot of poisonous snakes thread. They but the chorus seems to be the same. You can look but you better not touch inspired by our man Bruce. No doubt the wiggles if you really read between the lines there's a lot of influence from the boss. I've been saying this for years. Yeah it's again. It's like a straight line that goes from the boss to Trey Anastasio to the wing works. Let's move on with the Quarantine in the lockdown plans have been canceled. You might have things that you wanted to accomplish or do that are essentially meaningless now so let us listen to a song called. It doesn't matter anymore by Linda. Ronstadt you grew ev me. Sedan. Cra- The G. would done a well. I guess it does that. The mole baby last September. Only a draw a crazy guess. It doesn't matter anymore. Zidan all manner do your baby now in some will say and you lose no way ways Now you go baby the league ladder That was it doesn't matter anymore. From Linda Ronstadt that was offer. Fifth Solo studio album heart like a wheel which was released in nineteen seventy four. But it doesn't matter anymore. It was actually released as a single in nineteen seventy five initially a B side to. When will I be loved but ended up being a surprise? Hit this making that release a double a side and it went to number forty seven on the charts in addition to charting on the adult contemporary chart and the country chart as well. That Song has some additional rock hall cred because its original recording was by Buddy Holly Grill in the late fifties and it was written by non rock and Roll Hall of Famer Paul Anka Anka. He's like a Kind of a early crooner guy. And that's a song that has been covered many times and you know one of the things Linda Ronstadt. She's notorious making a song and making it her own and having an incredible arrangement in interpretation of the art of the cover. Well let's let's move on as you know just about every playlist we've done. There's at least one song about loneliness. 'cause that is just the name of the game in Corinthian. Let's listen to a song called alone too long by hall notes. Just lost like an in the goal nights limousine though he never has to wear on absolute between the money now now the other three thirty known no one event. Tv and it one is if you want to save is free to say how be off. Aw who a off that was alone too long by hall and Oates off of their Fourth Studio Album Self titled Daryl Hall and John Oates that is from nineteen seventy five and that song was released as a single although it only went to number ninety eight on the charts. I don't know why because what an absolutely great song that was great. I had a great time listening to it. I'm I'M GONNA put a little heart next to it and you know what it's gone into my leg songs. What the hell take that spotify. I'm curious kristen if you could tell anything different about that song. That hall notes on on now. This attest no if it didn't strike you then it didn't strike you. I mean yes. There was a point in it that it sounded like another one of their song. Okay it here that maybe you kind of picked. There was a point in it that it sounded like Was it manager or or rich girl. Yeah yeah it sounded like rich girl in a part of it and was like well? Well let's get back to that. What is interesting about this song is? It's backup singers. John oates is singing lead so usually especially for the singles. Daryl Hall is singing lead but this is one of the ones where John is taking the lead vocal. It's a really good. He does a good job. I found real smooth in groovy. Yeah this is a really. This is a really fun song. This was also I have not seen the show but I guess it was the theme song to that show. Hello ladies that Stephen Merchant did. Oh Yeah I did not see that show either but I actually thought to myself. This should be in a television show like this just set such a mood also was it was it. Roy was Bob who was there Chenggong Roy Ray or boy Roy. Traian had admitted on this year. Podcast that he was flown to on the dime of Hala notes management to New York to advocate for them at the Rock Hall Nominating Committee a committee that he was already on. But you know the the Holland notes people. They gave him a little extra juice not to say he wouldn't have advocated for them any other year or instance but he did say specifically they asked him to do it and he apparently lodged it works and the thing with that type of thing is you could be like That's interesting but also the rest of the committee was like. Yeah I agree. And then they put them on the ballot and then uneven larger body was like yes they should be in the hall so yeah he didn't like you know back door the men or anything like that but well and you know. I was a bit dubious about the hall and OATES induction. 'cause you know. I think that they have and perhaps an unfair reputation but because they were such a popular band in the eighties and they had so many pop hits. I think that people don't take them that seriously and I was one of those people and I liked their package was good. Quest- love induct another Philadelphia. You said that was there. What studio album was at their first album? Know known fourth in One thousand nine hundred seventy five. That was their fourth studio album. Yes they were. They were going for a long time before they really broke through. How old are they old? Daryl Hall is seventy three and John. Oates is seventy two. I'm over here like say what well there you have it. They're still out there making music. Or to the touring they will put out stuff. And I don't know the daryl hostile does it be. He had a fun show where he would have over to his house and they just jam. I remember that Daryl's house boy so far. This has been a real fun playlist. What could possibly bring us down. I'm just waiting for something of a meow. Well let's let's move onto you know in quarantine. We try to stay active if we can I? It's hard to do because you can't really leave so it just feels like most of the time that you're spending your sitting down so let's just let's listen to a song that's called sitting by cat evens on my way not so far from all that no was. Paul by with by myself and read by this. I don't need to touch base. I don't mean it was nice to see I do. Love always wake up. Say did it on a thing on my way no I am time. I saw a beneath. Thank the move had to stands to stop. I'm not making any worship God. I agree that's going to be the thing. That's me fine head to the side even followed by. May Get that right she. I know right now I feel the power go in the night. This lack Kamei's dogs from the side. Just keep on pushing hard ties. You may wind up dawn. You'RE GONNA why the plague That was sitting by Cat Stevens. That is off his sixth studio album. Catch Bull at four from nineteen seventy two. That song was released as a single in nineteen seventy three and reached number. Sixteen on the hot one. Hundred Charts. You haven't played a song I didn't like yet and I'm worried I'm like. Are we going to get through a whole up? I mean I guess I wasn't in love with that e street band song but it wasn't hard to listen to at all and I've downright enjoyed almost every other saw God. I had not heard the song before but to me it was almost like a long lost. Cat Stevens Song because I feel like it's not one of the ones you here but it's perfectly with all your favorites in terms of the way it sounds and you know and feeling it evokes. It's very rushmore soundtrack. There is something in the young man striking out on his own in the world by bubba Cat Stevens he ano- Driving Thong. You know could template but powerful kind of song. That was very in that vein. I Dunno I thought lyrically it was very beautiful song and musically very beautiful song. I enjoyed it Joe. You enjoyed it. You had a little. You were more animated. I clicked away to look around and some stuff and I come back to the zoom and Josie on it. She goes dancing in the rain. Metaphorical is hands in the air. He's leading it rained down on him. That's a good time. Yeah it was nice. Did that song get moved into your face. Yeah I think so. Also I'm literally making playlists with all these song so I go to the where I have all these put together and then I click on that one. Yeah I'm enjoying that one quite a bit. I mean the one two with hall notes. Maybe I'm going to heart sitting right now okay. I did it I did it. We'll see if I- unharmed later but who knows it's getting the like song category. It's a lot happening. Trust is time now. I know you're waiting for this train to and this streak of songs that you're enjoying the quarantine. This is not a profound statement. But it's difficult right doing this. Doing this is not easy. So let's listen to a song called times by kiss the center three with food and may except protest out. We got time we've got a slow stateside all right by. That was hard times by kiss off of their seventh studio album. Dynasty from nineteen seventy nine. That song was not released as a single. And you might even hear it and think that it sounds a little bit off from a typical song again. We have someone taking lead vocals who doesn't normally the lyrics and vocals from that song. Were Ace freely guitar player as freely. Who has a really good song? New York groove is a great song so he got to do a few lead vocals on this album. And I wonder if it's because this was the first release after kiss. Did their four solo albums and the most successful one was a s- freely because it had New York groove on it which was the only major hit out of those solo album. That's so good. This song no now is a song does not rule. It's not the worst song I've ever heard but it really sounds like it could have been written by a high schooler especially the chorus. I mean just simple sent simple words. Simple chords simple. You know the message this a lot. It's a lot to take those poor kids. Cutting school clearly doing drugs. Hey they don't even want to think about it anymore because they're on the right track. Yeah that's was lane. It didn't ruin everything for me like. I'm not angry that I had to listen to it angry if I had to listen to it again will surprise surprise off for some reason. This time it actually. It wasn't recording when you were listening to it yesterday to do it again. I'll make you do it again. They're not interesting band to me. You know the I think the kiss can be an interesting band but I would not say that. This song is indicative of that but you know one thing I will say that is interesting is for a band like this to have all four members consistently have lead vocals on songs. I think is kind of a cool thing. Yeah and for all four members to consistently be wearing face. Paint is also uncharted territory. That's a big deal. I. I'm not like angry at kiss. I think that politically I'm I don't have them and got some quibbles. I got some. I got some forms but I don't hate kiss. That's the best I can say about them. We can leave it at that. There's some songs of theirs. Rock Rock and songs I will sign off on that also. Have we had a lot of artists from the seventies so far? Yeah yeah outside of Nirvana I mean. Everybody else had a career in the seventies. Yeah absolutely so far. Is there any more? Is There Walmart? That wasn't the end. God is not the end. There is one more song to play on a high note. And you know I gotTa make it uplifting. I need a song. That's somewhat optimistic. So let's listen to don't give up by Peter. Gabriel we grew up. Strong armed was provide back wits to my changed my name The last it is so strange spawn as Dan. I rolled saw the trees Joe Still Ahead you Leave Google kid style To another tried. So many man thank you. You get That was don't give up by Peter. Gabriel that is off of his fifth solo studio albums so from nineteen eighty six. That was released as a single did much better in the UK than it did. Here went to number nine of UK. Went to number seventy nine in America and of as a duet with Kate Bush. Also someone much more popular in the UK event if America. Maybe that has something to do with. Yeah I also think that I mean that's a six and a half minutes on and it doesn't I mean it goes. It is not poppy. It doesn't bop along that's for sure. I mean it's a lovely idea. It's you know it's it's not that is like if I'm GonNa need a song to pull me back from the edge I'm probably GONNA go for. Everybody hurts before I go for. Don't give up. I recognize folks their merits in that regard in that regard a little bit of background on that Song. Peter Gabriel saw some of those classic pictures of like Dust Bowl Americans during the depression and Dorothea. Lang was the photographer. It's like that classic migrant mother image and then he was kind of connecting it to the economic hardships of the Thatcher Era Britain and I guess because his reference point was those kind of American roots images. The first person he wanted to do the duet with was not Kate Bush. Madonna will cause of the ritzier. American music was Dolly Parton. Well imagine that video with Dolly Parton and could not be used that close in that hug. There's something in the way. We should point out that there is a music video for the song which we watched and it is exclusively Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel in a close embrace as there's an clips behind them and they are on like a turn a spinner. What's the word I'm looking for their on the turn table? They're being rotated right. Now that you see only one of whoever's singing gets rotated this embrace in this very close embrace it was really. It felt like a flax on all of us during social distancing that watching two people hug for six and a half minutes would actually harm my mental house more than having to hear a kiss song but it did. It is one shot to continuous. Take you know Kate. Bush is giving it her all as she always does need. She's an expressive lady. She's a an eccentric woman. I really like her. She is cool. I mean it's just wild that that was ever released. Gabriel do and I love Bush and I think this song is fine. It's just not going to be one. I'm ever GONNA will hopefully make I would need to turn to it. Maybe in my hour of need top youtube comment was from someone who got saved from suicide by the songs are like like. I really can't pooh-pooh it. There's an interesting comparison with both the feel of this song and the music video to the single from so that was released before this which was sledgehammer. Which is so different and look at music videos to it's so intricate and complex and obviously one of the more inventive music videos of all time. That's followed up with one. Take maybe a choice to go and be extreme opposite direction and I think it was probably thought of as innovative to do a single take the eclipse happening behind them. I don't now digital technology was just mean they were using burgeoning digital technology. And maybe felt very edgy. At that point. But I'm like how can you make sledgehammer? Sledgehammer is still an impressive. No it really is. That is our Corentin playlist for twenty fourteen to review. We had stay away from Nirvana. You can look but you better. Not Touch by Bruce springsteen or in this case the e street band It doesn't matter by Linda Ronstadt alone too long by hall and oates sitting by Cat Stevens. Hard Times by KISS. And don't give up by Peter. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2017

Rock N Roll Archaeology

51:54 min | 1 year ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2017

"Welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and I'm sorry with me as always and as of recent via zoom video chat is my co host a little more skeptical about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. It's Kristen Center. It is it is. I am all of those things. I'm here via zoom. I'm a little more skeptical call and a little less susceptible to the hall. Who Wow you lane. So we have been doing Corentin playlists owing year by year of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of inductees wing songs. That are thematically appropriate to our situation and doing one song from each artist as we go and this episode is going to be Twenty seventeens. Corentin playlist this ceremony. That I went to attended in New York Things that I know about this town was there. And that's it. Oh my gosh who you wanted. Did you WANNA see someone? Special JOE ON GIST. I think this class is pretty good but there wasn't anyone who I really wanted to see but there was a few of them. I'm you know moderate fans of to you know maybe even regular fans of let me see if I can remember literally anything besides Pearl Jam from twenty seventeen. Was there the where we still? We were still sweeping out the sixties to. Yeah in a sense was this year. That Nile Roger got in like a As a musical excellence as musical excellence. Yes narrowed did as I experience. I'm really into that. I remembered that somehow I don't know where I pulled that from in the depths of my brain. Okay then maybe maybe there's anything else in there who what's deep swimming around. Who Else was inducted? This was after all. This is not like 'cause you weren't there for the Nevada year. That was after all that. I don't remember. Can you give me a hint Maybe just maybe this will just be a fun surprise for you as we go along. Okay we'll keep you in the dark and then you can be pleasantly surprised or the opposite of that as we go through. We'll find out. Gosh I really don't remember anybody except I can't believe I pulled Nile Roger. I'm pretty jazzed about that. And as always I try to tell some sort of story as we go through these songs in it's usually within the title itself usually not at all the content of the songs but you ready to begin our journey. Kristen yes and still alive. Oh my God all right well. Why don't we I would say at kind of the beginning of this? Holy Warranties lockdown situation. I would say that that was kind of the fever. Pitch of panic and now things we kind of understand the situation it's still dicey and touch and go but really when this all started off. I guess you could say we ought freaked out. So why don't we listen to La Freak by sheep? Sure talk out and curry by John. Off Sir and rain. Let's see. That was La Freak by chic from their second studio album. Say Chic from nineteen seventy eight. The freak went to number one on the charts huge hit and that album was also a huge hit of course sheik was not inducted in the rocker hall of fame but as previously mentioned Nile Rodgers was inducted under the musical. Excellence category for both his work in his ban. Chic and also his production career with Madonna David Bowie Duran Duran Etcetera Etcetera. He could also be inducted in the fashion excellence. Category in the studio he is looking quite stylish and very cool. Yeah there's a music video for this which is interesting because the songs from nineteen seventy eight. I wonder I mean it's just playing angles it is then performing to attract. Yeah lately game. Maybe this was just produced to play at the disco. All the I know they used to do things like that. But it's it's so barebones that you wonder what its purpose was. Yeah there's not a lot happening in it at all but man. The basis is really getting down on his base. He is proven out hard and I was really liking him. Yeah that's Bernard Edwards who was With now Rogers wrote the bulk if not all of sheikhs work and was even producing some stuff with Nile. Not long after sheiks disillusion all. It's very clear they enjoy playing music. Other Israel Cute. I like it. They're getting in each other's face. And kinda like bogner. Hud's long I enjoy that. I like three female violinists very neat. I like that. Yeah it was. It was just a totally nothing video but like a little time capsule no unified. Look for anybody really the two singers they kind of are in the state. Yeah they're in the same color scheme dress but that's it everything else just like it was like where you're nice stuff. See they are gonna be cameras a fun. Little fact about song is the original lyrics. Were fuck off. Oh yeah because it was about not being able to get into fifty four rights right. Remember that from some sort of I love the seventies or something like that on the one. Yes the Doorman told them to fuck off. Because he didn't he lerone did not have them on the list. They were invited by Grace Jones to studio fifty four and they took that and then they were like well. We have to change the words and for a second it was freak off and then they were like that sounds terrible and freak off. Sounds like a little kid trying to swear. Yeah doesn't quite have the tools some of the words off mom so cute. Yeah and that's that song was one of the and might still be the most successful single for Atlantic records. It's it was just such a huge smash it. I mean it's an undeniable song is just the same verse twice. Yeah it's like the same song. Just a mirrored right is. There's a bridge in the middle like musical bridge. But then they just sing the same old verse again. It's a kind of track that you could probably loop indefinitely at the disco disco. Well you played this song because you know people now. We are panicking at the Disco Quarantine. Very true very true. That's when will they get in? Let's let's move onto the next track with our situation with the freak out and also people being reasonable things have shut down. Things no longer are happening. Events have been cancelled. So why don't we listen to a song called it's over by the Electric Light Orchestra parents new now? Yup Now do This Avid own that was. It's over by the Electric Light Orchestra. That is off of their one thousand. Nine hundred seventy seven album out of the blue. Although the song itself was released as a single in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight it was actually released as a single just a few weeks after La Freak and they both entered the charts on the same week. Oddly enough. Oh it's over only went to seventy five. That was its peak position and of course La Freak was a huge hit and went to number one that really fell like like if felt like an e. Elo Song for sure but it also felt like a parody of and yellow generally mean like like it. Hit all the parts of the NEO. Low Song without kind of being extraordinary in the way. I think some of their songs are middle. Yeah right over the plate just standard a fine a fine pitch yellow. That's a solid six and a half seven of a song. Yeah it was. The fifth single released off air seventh album. Oh single but it's not going to be the first four. It's going to be the last one. There is also a video for it's over of. Oh it just felt like maybe it was them experimenting with a new camera trick overlay footage each other and that was all it was all right. So let's let's keep the story moving now that we're quarantine it's almost like we are recluses. Just trying to stay away from other people. So why don't we listen to a song called in hiding by Pearl Jam How style Roy stew About three days now no longer seen Kirk James That was interesting from Pearl. Jam's Fifth Studio Album yield from nineteen ninety. Eight in hiding was not released as a single although it did chart on the Rock in mainstream rock charts a song that I I like actually quite a bit. I'd like that song since I am. I heard it. I do remember that song. I had definitely heard that song before on the radio. Definitely in the late ninety S I liked IT A. It's not like my favorite Pearl Jam Song but I like it. It doesn't suck. It's a solid six and a half to me. That's a fine song. I enjoyed it. I bet you'd like it less if you heard. It has a relatively pretentious The lyrics of a pretentious origin. Which is that Eddie? Wrote it about boo cow. Ski Based on a quote that Sean Penn gave him. Now Yeah because you could be somewhat of a recluse I guess is is quote was just that he would sometimes just have a self imposed exile for a few days and then go back to society and that he appreciated life better that way. Whatever and the album yield went to number two but the album that kept it from the top of the charts was the titanic centric chocolate. Starfish could not unseat the titanic. Greg No album called iceberg. You know what I mean here del. Okay let's continue the story. Shall we this song kind of just speaks exactly to the feeling? I think that a lot of people are feeling as they are in quarantine. This song is an entire sentence. It'll be self-explanatory. Let's listen to a song from journey called one year alone. It Ain't easy. Wouldn't dare home a mall wouldn't That was one year alone. It Ain't easy from journeys fifth studio album evolution which was released on March. Twenty Third Nineteen seventy-nine. That song was not a single and was not a song I had heard before It's a truly dumb song was dumb. I mean if I never hear it again I will be so fine. It will make me happy that. I'm not always watching you kristen while we listened to these songs but I happened to catch you laughing. Extraordinarily hard pretty much at the get. Go of this song. I mean it starts with just kind of like. Hey then he starts to sing. It is just so stupid. Song is just an incredibly done song and it felt like it was written to play over a montage in a movie in the eighties. You know 'cause it's very UPTEMPO and it's almost like a river song. Yeah and it's about being I mean I don't. The song is not good. I I'll say I do not like it but it did make me laugh and also it did. It felt like the journey. All KINDA Corny. Yeah and it's I mean maybe because what we expect from journey. I mean they're ballads. Are The big songs right in? This song is more trying to be a rock song. Yes and maybe for some the attempts to be like a hard rock band doesn't fully Mesh especially with what we expect. When we hear Steve Perry's voice yes but also thinking about the fact that that is nine hundred seventy nine and we've heard two songs from nineteen seventy eight and one soccer nineteen seventy nine bus. Are I mean David? Bowie was making music than to their talking. Adver making music than to live in nineteen seventy nine. I would like to think I would not be listening to that song. I WanNa believe I listening to just lack who're music available? I think it would depend on how old you are. Yeah if I were nine I'd be like let's rock to this jam a little bit honest in that. I think this is a fun song. There is to some extent not fun. I just think it sucks. I think this is the kind of dumb fund song that is kind of like. You're guilty. Pleasure alright so let's go from being lonely to. Let's say you have to leave the house. Go to the store pickup medication. Whatever it is those essential activities that you have to do. And then you're on the street You will notice. It's much less busy than it was before. So why don't we listen to a song called Lonesome Road by Joan Baez Bend Down That Long Lonesome Road? Hang Down Your head and cry. Hang Down your all good friends most part sometime. Why not? Why not wish to the Lord that I'd never been born died when I was a baby died when I was a baby. I would not be your core corn bread resolved in the salty. Grating soften Saudi Grade A. I wish to the Lord that I'd never seen your face your own heard your line. Better look up and down that long lonesome road all of your friends have gone Lord and new LASCO and hang down your head and cry hang down your head. That was lonesome road from Joan Baez. That's off her second album. Nineteen Sixty One's Joan Baez volume to lonesome road like pretty much. All the other songs from that album is just a traditional song arranged by anonymous. That kind of thing that feels correct. It's felt like a folk campfire jam to that song ever get played on the radio. I don't I'm not entirely sure how often joined by. It was played on the radio in general. That's my question is what was her. She was known for her covers of traditional songs. I would assume her highest charting. Single was cover of the night. They drove old dixie down which he actually played at these money. I will say I don't know a ton about her cadillac about her discography. And in trying to find a song to fit for the quarantine playlist I did have the thought of. Should she be in the rock and Roll Hall of fame when we went from journey which I admittedly did not like to this? It was such a stark contrast. I had that same thought folk all day. Yeah I'm like listening to that and I'm like this is not very rocking in the one of a job very rolling either by your definition. No absolutely this was one of the John Deere songs. Also that I could find. You could maybe see this being an early. Joni Mitchell album track in in her speech. When she was inducted. She talked about she even acknowledged. He's like well. I while I may not be a rock and roll artist. There is no doubt the significance that folk music in the work that I did. Its Influence on rock and roll and I think the biggest connection is her Scott. Yeah we'll her shepherding Bob Dylan into the limelight. I see what she at Woodstock I think. So yeah because I mean I think too that is rock and roll credentials in a lot of ways having played at Woodstock. That's what a lot of people consider the apex of true real rock and roll. I think that's very true. And also I have to imagine the kind of political activism in the social consciousness in her work is also elevating it to a rock and roll type area. So let's go from. We were talking about being on a lonesome road. Walking around the neighborhood is something that is very healthy in good to do. Keep yourself active while you are maintaining your privacy. I guess while you're not you're maintaining your distance exactly and you are going to run into people inevitably when you're walking I. I'm doing this and I see I see other people do this. Sometimes they preempted. You have to kind of walk around them like almost go out of your way to maintain the radius so that you aren't within six feet of them. So why don't we listen to the song long distance runaround by the band yes Us dispense apart Again that was long distance. Runaround off of yes is fourth album fragile from Nineteen seventy-one that song was not released as a single. Although it was the seaside to roundabout it did end up becoming a sign that was played on the radio a lot especially as like F. N. album oriented stations were bucking the trend of only playing singles. And that is one of yes is more recognizable songs. It's a song that is a staple of Classic Rock Radio often as classic rock stations. Do there is kind of an extended version where they play the next track which is called the fish the way it is now with just attracted almost ends abruptly prog rock rock that is just it starts out is like declares itself. Prog rock from a minute. The song starts. It's just it's complex. It's got a lot of instrumentation. The drummer is on different timing signature as the rest of the band like. There's all these intricate. It's like what are you trying to prove? I like what could be known now as math. Rock probably Indie Rock's version of PROG ROCK so I don't hate complex time signatures and everything being all complicated in bopping around. But that's not my favorite thing I ever heard those fine. I WanNa yes better. Science and most recognizable songs. Well Kristen. We have one more song and as you know best song is always meant to be uplifting optimistic. So why don't we listen to a song from two Pasha core or called? Keep your head up. More gossip placard scary. When you come around don't don't you know what makes past that. We all came bowel movement. Alex and if we don't have race some delays tape a row won't thank smoke What brought the six foot straight talk? Put new awhile up Bro. You loot Aah Long Call. Thanks can't talk. I can't complain without couldn't take landscape. Broderick's cates gotTA keep your head up from two pock off of his nineteen ninety three album strictly for my n I G G A Z. That song went to number twelve on the charts also featuring Dave hollister from black street singing that song is obviously dedicated to kind of women and Black Women in general and specifically at the beginning of the video you see dedicated to Latasha Harlan's who was the young girl who was murdered by the Korean convenience store worker and a lot of people site that is kind of the catalyst for the L. A. Writes it is so sad that he is gone. It is just so sad. That guy that to park he was a genius. He was twenty one or twenty. Two in the song was recorded. Yeah so young. He was just so talented and it is interesting. The roots of Gangsta rap and stuff. And this was that song in and of itself is just such a it very meaningful. It's very beautiful. It's really catchy man. It's very real. It tells a story it's gorgeous. It's a very very beautiful song. I don't think that people are making music about real experiences as much right now. I think it's a lot of aspirational this was like before. Things were aspiration Before rap music in particular was aspirational. I mean early. Conway is very much in this. Dane OF CONFESSIONAL. Truth telling real lyrics and too key. Had He was a poet? I remember I saw Nikki. Giovanni speak at my college and she went to Buck died. Got Thug life tattooed on her wrist. She is a poet and she just loved him and that he is so important and he was. And then you just hear that song. And you're like yeah. That guy is damn genius talking. Yeah in that song along with a lot of his accomplishes like you said a lot of what the best songs are. Which is it has a message without being over the top or heavy handed or delivered clumsily while maintaining its merits as a very listenable song. The music is great. He was inducted into the Rock Hall. First Year and there was no question that that was going to happen because he's one of the greatest artists of all time just so down authentic. I really I mean. He made party music. He made gangster music as well. He makes sure you know. He had many different iterations and he was a great actor. I mean he's he. It's which is while he was an. You was a fucking great dancer too. He was on tour with digital underground a he was a showman. Shero handsome lake and cool. It is such a loss that I just think he could. I mean but then you know who I mean. I'm like maybe Connie will turn it around Sunday but I'm just like is like then again. Maybe he would have gotten eaten by. We were seeing some of the effects of fame at toward the end of his life. And maybe I don't know but I wish we would have ironed out and I think it's a I think Chris Rock said that to Puck if he had lived would be on law and order. It's True Sake. Vice t the rappers. After Zia. He's such a great actor was a good actor that just wound up on US like L. O. J. or thank God that we have Kendrick. Lamar I guess. Now because the other thing is like there are people who are making music that's authentic and real but they're maybe not necessarily commercially successful or part of the Zeitgeist but Kendrick is a good example of someone who is both extremely popular successful and his work has that authenticity to it as well. Well that's the that's the place for twenty seventeen to recap what we listened to was La Freak by chic. It's over by Electric Light Orchestra in hiding Pearl Jam. When you're alone at eight easy by Journey Lonesome Road by Joan Baez long distance runaround by yes and keep your head up by to park as always. I will put all those songs into the official quarantine playlist on spotify and We will see you guys next week with the two thousand sixteen class playlist. Keep your head up guys and yeah in the meantime. I'm glad we ended on that because You you should keep your head up. If you're enjoying these episodes please let us know. Send US an email rock cod jimoh dot com. If you want Chris to see that you're going to have to say that somewhere in the message otherwise I am not forwarded to her. Please follow us on twitter and Instagram at Rock Hall Pod You can follow me on twitter at joke. Educa- and Kristen across all platforms at case dud subscribe to us on Apple. Podcasts rate reviews five stars. Only if you're leaving a review because of this episode. Why don't you said freak out Mike Lloyd for the logo? Thank you to joy divine for the equipment. And thank you to Sean Keane and shed Briggs for letting me record a podcast in the home that I- quarantine with them in for Kristen. Her Roommate Ramona. Chernick for doing the same and of course thank you to Pantheon podcasts for hosting us. I'm joke was Allah. I'm Chris Stuttered. Who Cares about the Rock Hall?

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Divas of Future Passed

Rock N Roll Archaeology

54:00 min | 1 year ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Divas of Future Passed

"Hi everybody welcome to. Who Cares about the Rock Hall? A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was on. I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame and not with me maybe for the first time is Kristin stuttered. She is keeping her social distance. As we all are doing in these trying times we are quarantining. We are isolating. You know if you've been listening to the show you know. The past two episodes have been our special one hundred episodes celebration I let kristen take the reins of the show and she chose to make us watch the divas herself me and our guest. Joey Devine and She overprepared it. Became a two parter and I wasn't going to reveal unless there was an emergency which there is now is that she over prepared to the point that we have honestly three parter on our hands so because we have. I think this would qualify as an emergency. I am going to release the audio of that third part so we talked about divas ninety eight. We talked about divas ninety nine. Kristen spent so much time explaining to us. The future of the divas ceremonies. She went ahead and listed out. Divas Two thousand up until twenty sixteen. It was very annoying because I'd been at her house for six hours. But it is entertaining. I am going to go ahead and make that this episode for this week. Who knows what we'll do next week but please enjoy this episode. Where Christine tells us all about the divas ceremonies from two thousand up until twenty sixteen. Here's what I think I would like to do. I want you guys to try to guess the two thousand divas. Yeah you should tell us when we hit a name that has done it. Yes is what I would like. Okay so I will tell you that. The two thousand divas. There were four of them. There are two repeats. I think you should just give us the repeats. Okay the repeats are Mariah Carey and then faith hell is promoted to headliner. Coca makes sense And then there's two other headliners one of which you have named will era right. No Oh Knicks now this is a tribute to major diva. Okay but you haven't set her name. Okay hold on a second so of the ones that we've said before Donna. Summer yes she is. She's three four. And now this is who the tribute is to Diana. Ross it is Diana Ross so two thousand and they come back with a tribute to Diana Ross Weird. She's alive missile. Well no it's like you'll see. They do they on from years started with do tributes to people who are alive with like current singers incur. Now the guest performers. You guys want to take a stab. There were three guests performers. One of them is the supremes. I I'll just tell you to. There's two other guest performers. One of them is a group just needs child Bolya and then the third one is a pretty wild card but they are incredibly famous right now for Al Female Solo. Kind of Rupaul. Yep Okay Rupaul Rupaul. So the guest performers were destiny's child Rupaul. And the supremes the presenters were Angela. Bassett on a gas guest Air Shero. Teheran Molly Shannon are back. They killed it. Did that Hilary Swank. All right sure. So they do a bunch of Diana Ross songs and they also do some of their own songs and then at the end. They're big divas number that they do. Well Diana Ross Mara Mariah Carey do a medley together and Diana Ross and the SUPREMES ANOREXIC is there. Yes Oh yeah. And she does a bunch of songs. Ac But then at the end the divas do all of them together. Do Ain't no mountain high enough. And then Diana Ross does I will survive as closer so then we hit interesting so that that was so then we hit two thousand one and this is another tribute to a person who is alive and was a former diva and this time it is at Radio City Music Hall Merdeka. They just do a referred diva. Yes this is a wreath tribute now. There are one two three four five six seven headliners and it is all over the place you have not said. One of them is a former diva a banana show before. Which is Mary? J. Blige and everyone else is like what the fuck have? We named any of them in our guesses. Here's the thing one. Two three of them are men. One is a group of men one is a group of men one and then the other two are so low men. That's wild is is okay. Is One boy cement. You are on the right track but Whiter. Colour me bad. Now it's like it's like backstreet. Backstreet boys two thousand one. Honey is Ricky Martin. One you are getting close saying no no. Mark Anthony Mark Anthony. Whoa all right. Mark Anthony. The backstreet boys. Mary J. Blige Aretha. Franklin there's one more male performer link. One Eighty are actually closer than you would have been. It is a single male performer. I can't I mean I hate this person. So Kid Rock it is Kid Rock House Kid. Rock sneak onto every one of these shows. It is a diva Fuckin- cheeser. I want to wait. Who were these men so thorough Franklin? I want to read you some of the summary from wikipedia from this because it is dare I say upsetting? They say the All Star tribute to Franklin da Da Franklin easily adapted herself to a variety of guests crooning with the backstreet boys on chain of fools so then detained falls again matching with Mary. J. Blige on do right woman do right man and letting kid rock storm. Her Barn on rock steady. Ready kid brackets you sweet sounds of Boll. Malta I just for the listener. I'm looking at the ground. They just don't know what else did you go. Joe Has Given up. Joe Has given up there are other. There are other female performers. There are three other female performers. Have we brought them up in guessing them you have not brought one of them up and guessing them but you have brought them up and I don't remember it was I think it was on the last episode broker? This person as a you've brought this person up. It's a woman a solo artist woman. I think Joey might be the one to remember it if he remembered. Maya know someone that you brought up as being a vh one Nelly Furtado. Todd so funny. Nellie for Todd so funny and then there are two other Kylie Minogue. One no I mean these. I don't know that you'll get one of them. Is like a pretty head on like neo soul person and she was big in two thousand gray. No she was almost like less popular than she did. Not Breakthrough as much as macy Gray Joss stone but those are the two. Are They Young? I think you'll get this now. Joe ooh okay. J S. Oh it's Neo Soul singer. Yeah it's she also acts right. I don't know what are you thinking? I can't remember her name but I think what was on the. Hbo Detective Lady. Show number one ladies. Detective Jesus that doesn't help me now. Is it no she was not? I BELIEVE JESSICA NO JANE. This is stupid. Tell You oh yes. She is on the number one. Okay so I don't I can't see the name but she can just see her in this weird show. I just know that she's on it and I know I can't she is. I assume they're both single syllables. And they're both first names her her last night. Her last name is like a man's first name. Those are good clues got yes CA. Scott is is another one. I knew that I just couldn't remember her name. I made that crazy poll of detective. Now this next one the final performer. I'm like Wa so this is an old school celebrity. She is a singer. I mean I'm just going to tell you I don't know even how to give clues okay. If you don't WANNA give clues well okay. Find she did a do. I can tell you what she does a do with Marc Anthony to honor the first lady of soul with salsa. Okay sharrow nobody know like not Charles. It's like that you're in. You're in the ballpark in it. Is the letter. C To d first and last name begin with the letter C so it's not Carmen Miranda Electra. The name is not Carmen. But it's I mean it's like this is a Cuban singer from the fifties as what I'm saying. It's silly accrues yeah. I didn't think you'll get it. That's what I okay. So that was Celia Cruz so those she was considered the headliner. Also oh my gosh. This is just wild. The summary For this one is just truly insane. 'cause it's you know biting kid. Rock Storm Her barn on Rockstar. It's horrifying she even joined Jazz Ensemble. Okay so I'll tell you the guest performers. Where Bishop Martin Bishop? Paul Morton Inquire Bishop Desmond. Tutu Ladysmith Black Mambazo. James Carter Ron Carter. These are musicians. Herbie Hancock Sense Roy. Hands Russell Malone Clark Terry and Stevie Wonder Presenters Pamela Anderson Lorraine BRACCO. That's who the Nazi was the actress that I couldn't place Dr Mel from the night from Ninety Nine. I clearly you couldn't Dr Melfi there. That was her a number one doctor. Melfi so she's a lot. Alco also presented on the show Dray Day Matteo Sopranos Actresses Species Christo Chris Adriana Janet Jackson Shit. We know you guys okay good. She's not eat a touro. Okay Sigourney Weaver No. I don't know I didn't watch and Renee Zellweger so I will redo the rest of this. Just weird summary. Though she even joined a jazz ensemble led by Herbie Hancock for a little scat. Mark Anthony and Celia Cruz saluted the first lady of soul with Salsa Little Scott play neo up and comer Jill Scott made a natural woman feel like the real thing and the New Jersey. Mass Choir accompanied Franklin's assault on the him precious memories Janet Jackson Sigourney Weaver Renee Zellweger stevie wonder in the Sopranos cast were among those looking on in awe. They re released this on DVD. You've got this long but also it's it's it's it's hearsay. Its rejection out objective. So that's amazing. They released it in two thousand. Seventeen jeep nelly. Furtado got to sing. I'm like a bird but it was cut from the quota it was legally required way. I'm like a bird and then it looks like the Herbie Hancock and all the jazz musicians performance of mumbles was also cut and the last song to be song was just aretha singing respect alone and then everyone came on stage. Everyone it looks like came on stage and sang freeway of including which is only released on the DVD. He is not in there but MGB. Gel Scott Celia Cruz Nelly Furtado backstreet. Boys stevie wonder Mark Anthony Herbie Hancock and all the jazz guys and the aretha Franklin Band. They all did freeway of love. Well guys that brings us to two thousand to earn which one. Oh sorry description for everyone open. That was a truly wild. That was really to get through. Everything else is going to go faster but wait until I tell you the name of the two thousand two performance. Vh One divas. Las Vegas Divas Las Vegas so way. Newton's there for sure so Wayne Newton's is is the announcer and host is Ellen Degeneres Chris over remember. She did say she was going to have some trivia for our five. There are five headliners. They are share. Selene Dion and Mary J. Blige there are two other headliners. One of them. You said you would definitely be happening. Stevie Nicks No. I'm sorry this is a group an all female group dixie chopper. Yeah that's the that's the fourth one. And then the fifth one is a Latin artist Secure Shakira. Is that her. In bed liner the guests performers are anesthesia. Who's that Oh she was like she was someone they were trying to push. Vh One a lot. Okay he would do like. I love the eighty s and stuff. I think she was big overseas. And then just never really hit in America. Well then the other guest performers are Whitney Houston Cyndi Lauper Stevie Nicks and special guests diva Guitarist Meredith Brooks that. That is what it's almost GONNA make. You may allow me to guess. But you're right now. We got to scoot on through. Because you're not GONNA get special. Diva Guitars was Meredith Brooks. I do child. Guitar is a special guest guitarist. You what the opening number was it was not released on CD OR DVD. So sadly able to see yet it is not available on I tunes. It is ellen degeneres s performing shoop. That sounds like the worst thing I've ever I'm upset Joe now has to find that in play that here. No I'll just cut the whole thing. None of this is airing so crazy. And then the first thing from the actual aired concert is Leon anesthesia singing. And this is GonNa hurt you that you can't watch it right now. Joey. You shook me all night long. I think I've seen that a big divas Las Vegas just for some reason. I think it's one of those things that started get passed around because of how wild it was it. Sounds like it would be and then shared gets to do believe and that makes it into the thing and yeah so that's great and or yours too late and then they cut a bunch of the MGB and Whitney stuff. Dixie chicks and Stevie Nicks do landslide together. A a they will get you two thousand three and we've got vh one divas duets. Ooh All right host and performer. Give us a hint. She is a rapper actress. What years it two thousand and three Eve no? She is very famous for acting. Now Queen Latifah Queen Latifah and this also took place in Las Vegas headliners are. Oh my God okay. I hadn't looked at this so the headliners that already had were Whitney Houston. Mary J. Blige and Chaka Khan. There are one two three four other headliners one of them. Joey was gunning for in the ninety s style. But they didn't make it in until two thousand four lattice. It's a single performer. It is jewel jewelry and the other person the another headliner. That's a no brainer headliner now. But she's performed on the show before with her group it was beyond beyond say And then there's one other performer whose an R. and B. Singer. She's famous for a duet that she did with John Rule. Jaylo the other job Kelly Rowland. No not at least she also did a duet with fat. Joe and she did a version of that she used that song. That's in the biggie. Sample R. and B. Singer. She is part of murdering. Is it Ashanti? It is a shy wild. Yeah she did always on time with Ashanti is I just didn't now. This last headliner wasn't prepared to knock this. This last headliner absolutely should not be a headliner but they are in Las Vegas. So you know it's gotTa be the Blue Woman Group. I'm there in Las Vegas and her father famously. Did a special in Las Vegas Lisa. Marie Presley S. I see okay. Well she she was performing music. I mean it's she's listed. Under headliners. The guest performers were my girl pet. Ben Atar your your girl Celine Dion Whitney Girl Bobby Brown. The Eisley Sisters Eisley Brothers Shania Twain is back at it Stevie wonder back again and then the born to diva winner. Tara Lynne Ramsay presenters. Is that like a diva was a contest. I don't WanNa get into a wish and the presenters. Only two presenters are listed and they are two thousand. Four Styron Cherry Shannon Osborne. And I you should Tyler Sterkel Yup and that is that so Lisa. Marie Presley gets to sing lights out. I guess she had her own song on their beyond. Say Only does one. She does dangerously in love and then beyond say jewel proud Mary together. Which is weird time New Orleans by Amazon History Lisa Marie Presley and Pat Benetton heartbreaker? Which is I think. That's a pretty good one. Oh God drool does intuition her mugging mccaw. Oh no and then they do a stevie wonder tribute medley at the end on diva. He's diva okay. They were the wheels are coming off. The wheels are coming reels to Russia. Two thousand four were still in Vegas honey. Oh my God this summer. This is so stupid. I'm sorry it just begins with. They came they saw. They sang their hearts out. The headliners were people that have been on there before would be johstone is now a headliner. And then Ashanti is back someone who's performed on the show before but not been a headliner was cindy lauper and that. So that's three and there are one two three four five six seven eight. Jesus many of these you have guests before one of them is just maybe. Has she been in one before? I can't even remember now. It's like not even tracking Gladys Knight. Had she been in one before he or she is. There's one that you kept guessing earlier a Solo Lebel. That's the other one So those are kind of your to old school soul divas. There's another person that you guessed earlier. Who'S A rock diva? That you would've thought would've been on it me. Lennox Christine closer. Though behind is closer. Yes I was like. She also wraps Debbie Harry and then this is the other person you got for rapper actor Yup even now a diva and then rounding them all out. It's not Christina Aguilera. It's not Brittany Spears. It's don't you dare say it's Jessica Simpson? It's fucking Jessica Simpson. He hate to say it. But it's the truth guest performers Blondie Sheila e Tom Jones and appropriately the pussycat dolls Charles Jones in the pussycat dolls featuring Carmen Electra. I said that earlier is a joke. The presenters are Jessica Alba. Tyra Banks Rachel Bilton Daryl. Hannah Jamie Linda. Scala and Navarre dollar by Big Fat Greek presenters and while they do open with Lady Marmalade with Patti Labelle Jessica Simpson and Cindy Lauper That sounds terrible. Then Debbie Harry and Eve do rapture which I think. Sounds like? That would be good. That's probably because Debbie here. He's not wrapping on it. Something else I found out while researching all of this is that Patti labelle and Cindy lauper are incredibly close. They're like we're really close friends. And Patti Labelle is Cindy lauper is child godmother. It's very sweet. Lavelle says I'm going to do something with Cyndi lauper. I'm her child's Godmother we're buddies. I sang at her wedding. Don't you love that bell and triple Cindy Lauper just in so? That's good news. Bells a total Weirdo. And this is also a this is like an eighties tribute and they ended with. They do a gladys knight badly and then they do an eighties medley finale with. That's why she is there so it's wow what I mean. It's a wild the pussycat dolls girls on film Tom Charts more. Two thousand four happens and then they've got to take a break. It's a five year break and they fucking take it. They come back in two thousand nine there back in New York. They've less Las Vegas behind. And there's a new set of divas honey. The host and performer is someone who had a bit of a renaissance in the late two thousands. She was in eighties artists and dancer singer. Dancer it is Paula Abdul and the headliners are. Let's see nobody that you guys have said one is kind of a no brainer. She's like the biggest female vocalist of now Gaga. Just like straight up vocals or we sure such a big seller. She sold so many albums. Rea- Jerry Underwood no Katy Perry. She is a white woman and she is British. She was del Adele. Yes Adele and then there. Oh Gosh there's there's two American idol people. In here Clarkson. Clarkson and Hudson Clarkson in Hudson. So we got a Dell Clarkson and Hudson. We have three more people were one of them. She's been called kind like our Madonna in some ways like she's always changing what her music sounds like. She started out country and then she went and then she went kind of hip hop issue. She kind of like went like Stonier and Paul backs country. Yeah cool is held. His real sale Miley. And then okay. I'm like who the hell are you? I don't want to Jackson shows up. No I literally. I wish I knew who this person was. I don't know a song that she said. Oh Wait Oh oh I. Do I know what song she does? She's British okay. God I'm like what the Leona Lewis I was going to be. My guess who that was going to be and I was GONNA Guess Leona Lewis. Chasing Leona Lewis Song. She was one of those record label people that they kept trying to sell on lots of things. Yeah I like his pure Pale Duffy. Leona Lewis and Lily Allen. Were all like kind of the same time Allen and Duffy and I don't remember Leona Lewis. They were all just kind of an oops. I lied. There's one more American idol winner in this area. It is a girl and it is not clear under what underwood no. She is the youngest winner of American idol. And I don't know she. I thought she was a Disney star when I saw her. Name Jordin sparks. Yes jordin sparks. Who with an I? It's Jordan with an eye Jordin sparks so the headline for this Adele Kelly. Clarkson miley Cyrus Jennifer Hudson Leona Lewis and Jordin sparks guests performers India dot ir e baby. She's there in two thousand nine for. Why Okay Sheryl Crowe waiting to get. Melissa ethridge Cindy Loppers Back Martinez McBride. And then we got stevie wonder back again to do anything man. He's been around. Yeah cameras because he's blind the about the tea about Sheryl Crowe. And the whole Madonna thing is so Madonna never does one and they had wanted Madonna to to do one but she was like. I'm not into the whole thing. And they didn't even ask her. And it's like the biggest regret of the producers that they never even asked her and they didn't ask Cheryl Crow back in the day because she was very lilith queen they didn't she did not want to be seen as a diva con. Two thousand nine. She's like put me on. The Stash Presenters Toni. Braxton Corbin Bleu Lauren Conrad Corbin BLEU is. He's a he's an American idol guy or no. He's the guy from high school musical. Okay Lauren Conrad Kathy. Lee Gifford Kathy Griffin Keri Hilson. Hoda KKOB is Iranian Keri. Hilson Harry Nilsson Be Ryan quantity. I don't know who the fuck that is. I guess he was on Teen Drama Summer Land at the time Liza Minelli port make lies of perform. I'm I'm going to be selling temporary. Tattoos make live an diva Sam Trammell and then the cast of fame. I guess there must have been a new fame. Tv Show Adele in India Redo Indiana's video song which I like adulting Zoom Tango. I this is a weird one and Kelly Clarkson and Melissa Ethridge end the night singing. Bring me some water. Oh miley Cyrus and Sheryl Crowe due if it makes you happy and sounds like probably the good thing to do? So that was two thousand nine. They come back in two thousand ten honey for each one. Divas salute the troops fuck. This wasn't even Bush era. Like how is this happening? Thought it couldn't get weirder and it fucking dumb highs. This is not very many famous people on it. I Bet I don't know about that second tier we're not getting no yearly. You will see. You're not getting your traditional divas. I will say not a single one among these. I would consider a traditional the host comedian. She's been a presenter before she's a comedian. And it's ironic that she's doing the salute the troops because she's been in political hot water Kathy Griffin that is the one headliners. Oh my God do it. Let's do it okay. He's I can't believe this. I don't even know some people headliners. Wanda Jackson definitely is two thousand. Ten right wrong. Do not see her name on. Rick Krim told us that they watched her G- inducted two thousand nine and then was like we gotta get her on Divas. Maybe it's still later. Well here's what I will say. The best female rapper. Right now. It is is one of the other one is You said her last time. She's a female pop star really popular. No she's a star. Katy Perry so Katy Perry Nicki Menaj and then She's like a second tier are in be artist. As far as I'm like she did. I could just tell you one of her songs. I don't know what else to say. She's the Pretty Girl Rock. I don't no shit. I don't know if you guys will know who this is Keri. Hilson Harry Nilsson Kerryon when she was a presenter and then I don't know who the fuck this is this is. I truly. Don't know anything about them for Joe Baca. Nba Player Grace Potter and the Nocturnal Shinobu that is performed at an induction ceremony she showed his part of the Glen Fry Tribute Sheryl Crowe so this is a country music duo I. I don't know who they are. It's a man and a woman they have a pretty country sounding name lady antebellum. No it's one word but it's like A compound word I don't know sugarland. Yes Sir okay. I don't know who that is. And then there is an IMO. Indie rock band fronted by a woman. Yes guest performers Anna. Nancy Wilson of heart and MC light presenters Brandy Marisa Miller snooky and the situation from Jersey Shore. Jeffrey Ross and Michael Strahan was. It is not just want to let you know that the show opens with. Katy Perry Keri Hilson and Jennifer nettles of sugarland. I'm assuming doing boogie. Woogie bugle boy sounds four. -Able and the final song is Katy Perry fireworks and that is great. That's all it needs to be said about that. They shot at some of it in like on a base in Afghanistan men than the other half was shot on a base in America. All right you know listen. I wouldn't normally say that. I want there to be a terrorist twenty eleven. We have got to keep moving. Caesar all people want to induct by can't put them all in destroyed. My case isn't it? I didn't really look hard at this. I didn't know I'd be really getting into news. You need to make the rocking grace potter. And the Nocturnal Keri Hilson and Kid Rock. So twenty eleven. Vh One divas celebrates Seoul. Okay back in New York done that before. Oh my God. There was so much fucking drama at this one two. Okay people that we've seen before that are back on this show Mary. J. Blige Kelly Clarkson Jennifer Hudson Jill. Scott there are two performers that are new to the headlining game. One of them is a kind of a Welsh woman. Florence yes Florence Welch and then the other one is a British singer. She's a great singer. She's a pop singer. She has a huge mouth like just giant. I mean if you've ever seen her she does have a very big mouth. She's Jesse Jane Is Jessie J. So those are the five th this. Is this a better things just own part to pull house band is the roots? Okay that's cool. Which is cool. The guest performers Marsha Ambrosius. Erica do boys to men estill Wanda Jackson Sharon Jones adapt king's Chaka Khan Lodhi Traffic McCoy Martha Reeves and Mavis staples the presenters are La La. Anthony Common Cares Carmelo's Comment no terrence Howard. Samuel Jackson Queen Latifah ause Dolly Parton. Their shoes are cheapen job and Sherri shepherd and Anita Baker was supposed to be in this originally but she and Jill Scott they wanted to do Anita Baker Song as a duet. I think sweet love and she was like this is not a duet. I don't know why you're making me do it. As a duet there was some drama. She dropped out. Ooh That's what very Michael Jordan behavior. You know that about Michael Jordan. He will only take the shot alone no his Anita. Baker says favorite artist. Oh always used to listen to Anita Baker before playing basketball. I like that. I was like because Scottie Pippen was often with the assist I think I contain multitudes Michael Jordan would not also would also not want to sing a duet that was not a duet so this show sounds actually pretty cool. They did a medley up top than they did a memphis tribute. They did knock on wood. I'll take you there and shake it out. And then they did a Detroit madly with nowhere to run chain of fools sweet love domino and Mr Wrong then they didn't amy wine house tribute. Which is Sharon Jones and the kings and Wanda Jackson? Did you know I'm no good? They did a Philadelphia Medley. They did a London Medley and then they did a Chicago manly and ended with Mary. J. Blige Chaka Khan singing. Ain't nobody awesome. And then divas two thousand twelve. Were now in Los Angeles host and performer. A devaux. Classic New Diva New devaux usher and he is an American idol guy. Adam Lambert correct. Oh Wow I was able to pull now now. This is a fucking weird one. Because they're celebrating the dance inducing music that is vibrant soundtrack to every major blowout bash unforgettable party at night out on the town and it also pays tribute to. Cook deuce that gets the dancers on the floor. I'm talking about that twitter. Feed your toes tap this show was the DJ? He's in the Rock Hall from Cleveland. What's that Guy's Oh Alan freed? Yeah did Alan freed fucking right this Jack also did a tribute to Donna summer and when Houston who died that year. So it's dance. Music hits very weird. And I'm telling you right now or on the floor. It's the thing that gets the kids moving. I'm telling you right now. This lineup is fucked. It's very weird. It's not as weird. Is that weird one? But it's bad here are the people who are back. Kelly Clarkson Miley Cyrus Keri Hilson Jordin. Sparks literally never heard of Keri Hilson before today she dated us. Oughta stop saying and then other people who have performed on the show but have not been a headliner would be la- DC who. I wouldn't even know how to introduce. And then we've got a bunch more or my. Gosh okay I think she's a Disney Channel Star and she's popular other one Randy Cosgrove. One Mark She's singer. I got it the thirteen reasons. Why one you were. You're saying her last name almost right. Fuck what's Your Demi Lovato? All right then we've got one. I've so confused. So this is a British singer. She had a really big hit in the early two thousands and it was the theme song to a very popular reality show on. Mtv She sings the themes do want me to just tell you what the reality show the hills? She thinks song to the hill head of feeling. It's very uplifting song. I don't remember this person's name. Did you know the song? No you want me to do. Any details no. I never watched the hills saying this on. Yeah feel the rain on your betting field. All right I forget. She's British and her brother. Daniel Bedingfield very famous. Dj Guy in the UK. For some reason I've studied abroad. All right I had to get it in so this person has been on the show before but never as a alone. She's part of a Yup Kelly role in and then several years. You've got burnt is a Canadian rock band fronted by a woman. They are an indie rock band sores. It is a single word you are. You're closer evanescence now. Indie ROCK ROCK FROM THE HURRY. Especially two thousand. Two thousand second you are getting you are circling a Rotterdam word rock band fronted by a want those other. This one's going to be mad. I can't believe that they are associated with a supergroup as well. Oh it's what's your FA- is a Jenny Lewis has banned. Now it's not Nico case is not. It's not the new pornographers now who are also Canadian. They're not part of the supergroup. Sorry I don't mean to give you the wrong impression. They're just Canadian. And part of that whole Indie rock scene from Canada. All the bands. I've been naming dancing around letter disaster with maps by the. Yeah Yeah yes two syllables okay. Parade took do you want me to say this to you Joe? I don't even know 'cause you might not know it metric. Oh God dammit. I thought Joey was going to get it. And then one person who I straight up do not know who they are. They are a Canadian singer. Songwriter and you won't know them either. Melanie Fiona your actual fuck. I don't know. Hey It's a celebration of the hippie property dance inducing music that is a virus attract you. Every major. Blowout Bash guest performers are iggy Azalea Buzi Collins Tight Paloma. Faith don't know who that is. He's an English singer. Songwriter actress and known for her retro and Eccentric Style. No one say known for pit bull. Oh Hell Yeah Mr Worldwide. Three Five I. Finally they made pit. Bull a diva presenters. Lalla is back Elliott Dude Elisha Cuthbert next door Genevan. Who does she use to step up? Movie Kat Graham. I don't know who she is instagram. Swiss-born American. She's on the Vampire Diaries. Okay okay. Stacey Keebler. I've heard that news roessler Sally Kemper Kemper. That's Great Anini leaks okay brandy. Oh how far? We really really demoted. All you have to do is murder a guy. And you're not a diva Kelly Osbourne. La read an Amber Riley. Mom I guess she was ugly. She was ongoing house. Dj Havana Brown. Donahue that is either Okay let's see opens with Adam Lambert. Doing LET'S DANCE. Classic Diva Song Then there's the Donna summer tribute seems good. It's Adam Lambert in it doing love to love you baby and hot stuff. Why is Adam Lambert? All those fucking wild metric does heart of glass which sounds like a pretty good Natasha. Bedding Field Iggy Azalea and Buzi Collins. Group is in the heart. Then there's a Whitney Houston tribute. Oh my God. This is outrageous. This is what they're afraid of when the hall is like if we can't get the best people to do to pay tribute to these people we just shouldn't do a tribute and let me tell you divas should've learned the Winnie Houston tribute consists of Jordin sparks. Doing I'm every woman who could Melanie Fiona doing. I WANNA dance with somebody. And it's not right but it's okay. So Melanie Fiona is there. Gary Clark Jr ban La- DC Jordin sparks. And Melanie Fiona doing. How will I know together? The show ends with pit bull performing. Don't stop the party. Hell Yeah Dude. That sounds tight. So That's twenty twelve and they're like you know what we ground spray and they do until they returned because they needed to support the troops again in the wake of fucking trump's election with vh one divas holiday on Silent Knight. Oh so mariah's their unsilent night. Yeah you better believe this Christmas. She's the Christmas queen she is. She is the crane across the crane. Of course lean of creative quiz Mus. So we've got Mariah back. We've got shock back. We've got Patti labelle back. You might say we saved the best for last. Because we have Vanessa Williams in two thousand six twenty six weight and then there. I didn't save the best for last. I just need to set that up for Q. But I saved. I truly don't know who the fuck this person is for last. I don't even know what to tell you. She signed with Pharrell Williams's label just say. Hey on a Taylor. I do know who that is. Who is she? She A lot of companies stuff okay. I'm united her. Name doesn't look like unfamiliar to me but she is not headliner material. Especially when we've got guests performers lake. All these people who I've never heard of except one Diana Gordon that's like the most generic gone so far. They've been crazy. I'll wait. I've heard of two of them. This is not who I thought it was. We've got Joe. Joe Not of Casey and Joe Joe Josephine started. I don't know who that is. I truly don't know who that is. She's into the movie review with revenue. Do not know who the person is We have someone who I do know who she is. Rimma thank God. And then God remmy Mayes there. Well she ramming their then. He'd be Wrexham and then Seraya she doesn't there's no link to her page on anymore presenters. Wow you'll never believe who's back. Keri Hilson now Lalas back again and you know who else is back? She's no longer Lala. Anthony Either Anthony. It says well let me tell you who else is back baby. After all this time Gloria Reuben Kaz and then a bunch of people. I've never heard of Ashley. Graham Jillian Hervey actually cram is a is a model. Yes Jillian Hervey. I don't know who she is. She's the singer of Lyon Babe. Mack wilds. I guess he might be the new McDonald's item and and afternoon Williamson whatever. Why not so rummy? Ma Is there to do Christmas in Hollis and forgot. It's a fucking Christmas show opens with all I want for Christmas. You should have been the closer then. We've I mean well. What is up while Vanessa Williams does save the best for last. And what child is this as a medley which seems pretty good. Chaka Khan Medley is at the end. She does ain't nobody then. She does natural woman with Patti Labelle bench. She does then she does. I'm every woman with all the everybody else. I'm every Christmas woman. Oh Jingle Bells and that is it does anybody have any final thoughts on the divas or should we just get down so you really want to. Shit. Yeah After the episode we watched it fucking. You went to Vegas and lost their souls like it was like once that happened. It never came back. There's that one year where it sounds like. It was good but beyond that they really lost their way. It you know what happens with a lot of things that are diva. Yeah Adam. Lambert is a deep. Yeah so that's it guys. Listen I maybe I'M GONNA have to revise. Induct divas ninety nine ninety eight. I have to revise my refrain and say induct the nineties divas except for Brandy except for branch. I don't care she can go in. I don't fucking care. Put her in put in Estefan. Put In xylene. You could make a case. I like the case for us to fund. Yeah and the whole sound machine and you know there were more things I was going to talk about. As far as like who would you put it in as who would you put on a divas right like this year you know? I thought that might be a fun things to talk about. But it's eleven forty. It's eleven it is almost midnight. This not upset for forty five minutes ago listener. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Blink-182 w/ Whitmer Thomas

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:24:10 hr | 2 years ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall? - Blink-182 w/ Whitmer Thomas

"Hi, everybody. Welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah with me as always is my co host Kristin. Stuttered. It me. Hi, Kristen Palo. How are you? I'm pretty good. This is pretty good. This is great news for both of us very excited. This is our second episode on the pantheon network. Are you going to have to put an effect on that now too? Maybe I will. Maybe our third episode second orig-. It doesn't matter. Anyway. We've got a great guest with us here today. Very excited to have him. Good. Boy, great man. Comedian very funny. It's Whitmer Thomas. Thanks for having me gang highway. Thank you for for being a part of this weird thing. Yeah. Of course. Thanks for having me. Congrats. On the third episode on the pantheon. Wow. Now you're gonna have to do the effect, again, every time someone says pantheon, but will be I'm not doing well, it's too much. We've already we've just begun. And we've already decided, no with the rock and Roll Hall of fame is, is a weird thing that people don't know anything about what are you coming into this with, in terms of knowledge. Well, I know about it. I've been to it. You've been to the museum in Cleveland in Cleveland, I went there with our mutual friend CJ toll dunno. Oh, we'll be guys do it in Cleveland. I was on tour and CJ was working in Detroit. Okay. Just drove there to meet me, and we went to the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I remember it was fun. I think we had a lot of one there's like you know, it's always one of. Those situations where you go in and you think I don't care about this, and then you watch something and then you start crying. This has been my experience. It's hard to especially music of your youth. It's hard to separate that from intense emotional feelings. Yeah. It's true. Have you ever been to the this might be a little bad for me to bring up, but the, the Motown museum? No in Detroit. Well, similar situation. You go into this dinky little house, or they used to record all great songs. He sits into a chair to watch movie late this lack. I just paid a lot of money to do this. And then you, you're crying in three minutes you go. I think I would be more apt to be hyped about the Motown museum than the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Well, there's a lot of rock and roll there, though. I think. Oh, yeah. You that I mean, not a rock and roll. I mean it makes sense to me that there would be an especially because they, it's like, and there's a lot of Motown in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. But I think I just mean like as a concept, I am not like as, as a woman as a me as a person, I am not like, yes. The rock and Roll Hall of fame. Let's get into it. But if I was in town, and they had a Motown hall of fame. I'd be like yeah. Check that out. Just be more. Apt Joe is the only person I've ever known who's excess immediately excited and ready to talk about the. Are you at all familiar with the induction ceremonies that they do every year? Yes. I usually will watch a clip every now and again of one of them is there because you like the ban that's being inducted or because someone that you like is doing the inducting while I love the cure. Did you watch secure some of it? I thought it was really funny when the, the thing that was all over the internet of the woman red carpet. Yeah. And him going. I'm not as excited as you are. I think that by the looks of it, now that's us excited as I am. It looks it is it just me or is Anthony Keates always they're doing few times now. Were inducted in two thousand twelve and he inducted the talking heads. Weird here. Yeah. I will never remember that because it's too incongruous and I don't think I can tell you what is this for doing this, this, probably because there's so many cool people who loved it. I mean that is. That is a. Have they talked about that? We watched it. Yeah. Remember watching it, one of the ones that was on my VHS. Oh, I mean, I remember when was the talking heads two thousand two oh, just you on the outskirts VHS. Yeah. No, I. Yeah. VHS was a dying. Art form was Ella. No, I was just because there was no directly record from your TV thousand two. Right. Yeah. That wasn't a VHS. Yes. It was using VHS to tape off the TV I wasn't purchasing. A VHS people were burning CD's off of Napster, but they were still taping music off the radio. You know, the, the only way to do something off a live thing. Yes. I like to imagine baby. Joe going Gatiss Gatiss in burn in one room together, could you imagine as outliers thought he sounded to knows probably because I was like a little snob as a kid. So it's probably like, oh well, he's cues here, it should be somebody like, okay, John kale yet. Jost drummer, inducting. Yeah. New music sucks. I was like one of those kids, oh, wow. I couldn't let myself love what was happening around me because I had to be better than everybody else. In high school a to a degree. That's what I mean. I was down with new music, but I hated anything popular. Yeah, I remember actively like not listening to like, Britney Spears when she first came out, she was so popular, and I remember being like no. Because you, you wanna be above it, all alternative if you will, for sure. I would I, I do remember being in the mall. And fifth grade and hit me baby one more time coming on. First time I saw it on the TV in the JC Penney or whatever, and feeling like such strong horny. Yeah. Horny as video it was almost like he was engineer. Boys horny and discover. Yeah. It was engineered for Hornets for max. It was really done done. Well, it's really crazy. And then I dated me and Brittany dated after that for fourteen years. Now this. Yeah. For about fourteen. Why offer it's about it's forever like six to eight hours a night. I, I date Britney Spears pretty cool. It's been going on for size. Ties with start dating. I think I also just equated that with, like, you know, like being so mainstream, I remember being like, I don't go to tanning beds, and I don't listen to Britney Spears. Wow. Yeah. Girls doing back. That was a big thing to me, tanning bed, tanning bed, or any spirits. What were we talking about prior to this, and how oh, we were just we were talking about Anthony, Keith us. Of course, also wise. Keita's always in there. What's he doing? I mean, I think they just pain is do that's what he was doing. He was working he was networking, ghetto whose. I weirdly in the crowd is Chad Smith. The drummer from red Huchel banks he fleet. Flee flee to see most of the peppers just like hanging out in the audience. They're, they're good speakers. Their acceptance speeches were very good. We were good. Yeah. I think he cried because this band the music save his life. He is going to let you know, right. The music saved his life and Keita's Benjamin buttoning just like, or he's just like, re reached Stacy's like he'll always look thirty years old. He looks good because that dude's fifty plus you said he, I remember he was older than that. I think he was like fifty seven or something. Yeah, you're right now he is. I think maybe the video we watched of him getting inducted like seven years ago he was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Maybe it was like fifty fifty one I just could not be leave it that was engineered to make me. Horny all I know about them really other than I don't really love music. I think John John taste credible, but they're all talented, I guess, but my favorite thing about them is from their behind the music that used to play all the time when I was in middle school where. Or. No. Maybe it's weird house behind the music where they go. They play the clip up yet. But w w do now and then it could stiffly going. I typically think the stuff he does pretty funny. But that I just didn't like that. And I remember going, cool red hot chili peppers. You're out, then I don't like right? Wired weird Al tired. We just did not it was about the Flintstones. We just really didn't think it was that inspired, which they're probably there. Right. But also like fucking relax. You want your parody to be like the best one all your music is already appear in its own way nagging, nagging is basically Ebba. Best weird Al parody than like, what's the smartest like, if you're like, which one would you be like, oh, I'm so glad that was like what do you think? Okay. Well, my, my own personal feelings just because like the song that got me into weird Al yankovic was Amish paradise. Here it is. You are right Amish, paradise take taking gangster's paradise. And like this really heavy song. That's like in dangerous minds. And then making about Amish people very, very funny. That is so true. It's like a great, and I think, later for like the next generation when he did whiten nerdy. That was like a similar thing big it's really funny because I I'm older than you guys. And so when I was really young. Like when MTV was I like in the mid eight late eighties. I remember being a little kid and thinking the video for fat was like, really funny. It's video for fat, and then the video for like a surgeon, and those were the ones that I that got me into weird out, but I had never stayed there. We'll because the bad video is like a short film. Yeah. You know, and then they take serious, and then there's like, I, I mean, I had the VHS again. Of weird house videos, and I watched it a lot, and like, there's, there's, too, like big fat guys. You're trying to make thin Al like a fat guy and the line. I will never forget is ding Dong. Ding Dong ding Dong. And he's like, no, no. Then he transforms that concept, though, has not a problem. Yeah. Lots things about Michael Jackson. Weird Al ferreting Wellink luding the parody of both both the Michael Jackson. Parodies are about food about food and eat it. I also remember the Edith video is do you. I do genuinely think that Amish paradise is probably if you were going to be the most excited that, that he did. That's probably the best one. Yeah. I like it. All right. Coolio was Coolio did not like it was very publicly upset about it. Yeah. He was like he's like, they asked me if I would give them permission, I said, no. And they did it anyway. An owl was very upset because he's very principled about, like, if they I asked them for permission, if they say, no, I won't do it. Well, what happened the wires miscommunication and Florence. Henderson was in the two wasn't. Yeah. Was yes. She was she played. Yeah. Yeah. She played an Amish lady. Yeah. Mark mothers didn't like dare to be stupid. No, he. Well he loved it. But he he went like he he's because he's in the album behind the music, and he was like he was like they did they did Defoe better than Devaux. And I hate him for it. Oh, he was being like kind of cheeky Yuki. Yeah. Okay. He's cool. Then he's he's back on the on the good list. That was a good one, a little bit of rock hall news. Oh boy hours ago, we lost. I M Pei v one hundred and two year old architect of the museum. Oh, and he also. I mean he's done a lot of he's a world if he is a rock musician. I don't know him at all. He's an artist. Yes. And he did the addition to the Liuw and a lot of, you know, a very famous architecture work, I was just very curious of how this was going to relate to the rock and Roll Hall of fame. But now I see he apparently does not know, or really like rock and roll, which is phoning RIP, an pay lived a long life, one hundred and two years old. That's no joke, go probably died thing about buildings. He loves probably died in a building. I bet even he might you know, I hope it wasn't. Odds are good. Although, oh man if I was talking about to pasture made make him look at a nice little babbling brook as if I was one hundred and two. And I knew it was coming from me. I'd be like take me outside. I want to feel the wind like below skin. You know, I don't wanna be this is getting more of it, and not about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. They have these kiosks at the museum, where you can say, who you wanna be in the hall who hasn't been inducted yet of people who are eligible and recently motley Crue took over the number one spot. All the crazy thing that was in the first place for a while. Freddie, Mercury solar was. Send them for one, which is insane. It wasn't number one. But it was like climbing. It's still at number six. It's clearly off the strength of movies is what people are voting that movie, the dirt came out about motley Crue man that movie. It's so that has been climbing motley Crue? I'll do what the top ten is. Currently, can I guess, can I can I say some names and you tell me if they're in their sure, Pat Benetton, she's not in the top ten eliminating share? No. Oh, yes. Cheers, number seven excuse me. Okay. Very rothbart. Comedian Barry Rothbart is unfortunately, not in the top ten, but he is in wolf of Wall Street. Yes. Are the smashing pumpkins ten? Are the Doobie brothers in the top show? This seems like it might take a long time, mar, which. No, no, no, I'm so sorry, this is at the I should remind you this is at the rock hall, not the factory. Oh, okay. Sorry. Or this isn't that these are the names on the comedy store. Wall's got you. Number ten is Boston. And number nine is Jay leno's cars rain rage against the machine Ville, Collins solo share Freddie, Mercury solo weezer, Dave Matthews ban iron maiden, and then the top two number one is mightly crew, having unseated the former top one of people voting at the rock hall. Blink one eighty two. Now way. Yes way. I'll write they will ask about. Yeah. They, they were a top spot for a while. When was their first year eligibility. I think it's this year. Wow, there's, there's disputes because they had a they had like a demo that came out in ninety three. But really their first vailable recording was ninety four, which is something called Buddha. Yeah. Which was still kind of demo e but people could buy Newsweek released on a label. Yeah. Buddha was their demos. Exactly put out on the label and then they came out with the real record of the same songs, but no longer demos called Cheshire cat. Right. Or. Chechen. Shish. Scheider. Cheshire. Cheshire. This is this is the band that you've brought in today. Yeah, I what Brit, what makes you so connected to this ban. What why do you wanna talk about them? Well, I love them. They're my favorite band. The first CD. I ever got my brother. My cousin went to the CD's store, and they said, we're gonna pick you out some albums, they got older than you. And they were just like trying to form your musical tastes five older. This was nineteen ninety eight Booker got me Cheshire cat Cheshire cat by blink. And they got me a survival of the fattest records compilation fat recor heads counselees life changing absolutely life changing, and there was no go app. There was just no going back you from then, on Blinkhorn, eighty two was my favorite bands, and I was fortunate because that was right before enema the state came out, I was going to ask because you had mentioned before not wanting to like things that were popular right? Well, see, I grew up in Alabama, so blink one eighty two was never pumped water oak even. When the blew up even like, because it's country to tone. Yeah, it was like country country country, country, hip hop country, and then where I was from was like Dave Matthews. Dave Matthews band. Jack Johnson and sublime. Okay. And sublime I'm like sublime is like blink adjacent. Sure. Yeah. But they had this reggae stone or thing. And I'm from a beach town in Alabama. So, you know, it was bit fit is fit to hard. Blink was too hard for his lead to silly in like a Reverend yeah, exactly they wanted you know, they couldn't rent their heads around. It is to, to do. The these lyrics there, so. Mystifying. Heard poetry. I don't understand. We're you skating at that time. Yes. Did that. Do you skate before blink? Yes. Okay. So did it feel like a marriage made in heaven? Yeah. It was awesome. I mean, my older brother got me into skating to he was in a cover band called toxic toothpaste. And they cover damage by blink. And I knew that song, they covered damaged. I blink bro hymn by penny wise, and then my right by screeching weasel. So I, I knew these songs I didn't know the man's were I probably just thought that my brothers man wrote them. When I got, you know what I was saying is, I got Cheshire cat, and then I got dude ranch, and then ima the state came out and they were more accessible. And so I kind of got to discover them in the order that they are meant to be discovered wrote. And yeah, I guess they sort of grew up with them. I did they evolved as I got older and then stopped. Thank God they stopped. I think it'd be really lame if they were like trying to. Oh, I'm so glad that they are not pulling a weezer and still putting out the trying to write music, like they were in high school. We'll know I'm saying they do still do that. And I think that that's eight that know that do they still put out music. Don't look, kind of a relatively big hit like a ago, two huge hits two years. Huge. Yeah, they'd not made not Drake out of the number one really. Yes. Host this music podcasts. Jokes seem to know anything about the most important music and the world of what were the songs that knocked straight to death. And, and that was a song I didn't think I knew. But then I played it and I was like, oh, I recognize because k rock was playing in alive. Yeah. I do not listen to alternative music radio anymore at all. Okay. Like full stop. We've talked about this before, too. I don't really I mostly listen to rap and pop radio. Yeah, it might it might have been a big enough song. I don't know. They change the. Yeah. Because of their members. When Sarah's mother been, and then they get a line change, and everybody was willing yet. Good luck. And they put out their new record in. They we're going on this like smaller theatre tour and they didn't. They weren't able to predict how successful it'd be so they had to read gear their whole tour, do these bigger venues, and all this stuff. I think too, like blink one eighty two is just like a generations band, like they are in many ways, like as big to people growing up in the early two thousands, as like, nirvana was to people growing up in the early nineties. Yeah. You know, like that's like their band. It's like the defined a kind of movement in music. They have defined this pop punk genre. The kind of the godfathers of that esp-, especially because of the bands at k. I'm after them were so clearly influenced by blink one eighty two yet they invented a new style of singing. Together, which is the whole, you know, thing like like not hiding the soco accent. Right. Yeah. No one was doing that. Then they came out and they did it in the now, you know, it's like, in the zeitgeist of music, so many people have copied the voices in. Artist. Not even from that area. Oh, yeah. No, there's no. There's British bands whose sing like, lighters. Yeah. Yeah. You do it very well. You do the what, what, what are those lines where are you? And then. Spiders, and then. She knelt their insides. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I. I mean, they're they've shaped every aspect of my life, got into blink as a kid started playing music because of their songs were easy enough to learn how to play, then, you know, based on that, then, you know, you do the thing of, like seeing what shirts they're wearing, and then going and listening to those bands, you know, if they are wearing some descendants shirt, or whatever then you go and figure out who the descendants are. And then it overflowed into comedy like I used to tell a joke about way committee to. They found out about it. Lovely story listeners. It's like one it's such a sweet and nice. I like it so much. It's like Georgia's personal rudenstine story. It's like so good friend, who's a huge Bruce fan who like figured out a way like you kind of do a hail Mary pass, and then ended up on stage with Bruce Springsteen concert dancing, dancing, and the third guitar. He was crazy. That's really cool. So this is kind of, like, you're, you're you, you had a very funny joke about, I mean, the song that we were just singing I miss you. Yeah. About the way the Tom sings, and one of my first bits, like eight years ago or how long and it was. Yeah. I just would talk about the idea of getting older and trying to adapt getting older as a person in pop punk band. And how blink has two singers in it seems like Marcus is sort of open to the change of aging. He's down to age and he's comfortable with it. And you can really feel it in the song it miss you, because his voice, he, he's like kind of leaning into his mid thirties, and then Tom comes in, and he's like, Nope, with the where are you still board? Yeah. We know who cares. We're not old finding and that. Yes. So that's the idea. And so I did that and I did it at a comedy festival. It's took a photo of it and probably video well now now. Rebel, and they said, Whitmer, Kantian wintertime is talking about blinkering eighty two and the audience is like loving, it's they're, they're laughing and I'm laughing on stage. And then Mark wrote what is this? He like minded. Yeah. And I was filming classic Whitmer Thomas was filming my friends skate, and I had my friend, my phone on airplane mode. So I wasn't getting, but everybody is texting me, and so then I turn my phone on a couple of hours later have all these texts like, as if it's my birthday or something, right? Mark responded to something you're tagged in again. And then it turned out that he went and found a video of me doing it of the first time I ever did the Joe. Oh, wow. Okay. So it's really sloppy and I think I make fun of him a lot in which joke evolved to where I know I no longer really made fun of either of them. It was just kind of about an observation on. Yeah. So. He found his like I think it's really funny. I also think everybody from San Diego is I like lax like they got in a car crash or something like that. It was like I was making fun of San Diego. And. Some one thing led to another. And Jona Ray said, if you ever needed trauma to play in between acts at your comedy show. I think it'd be funny if I played drums, just like alone, and then Mark was, I think I should play bass any like responded to both of us. And then I wrote, hi Erdo kill myself 'cause have that's my dream, and then he hit me up over DM and was like, no. I think it'd be funny. I don't have anything going on right now. Those oh social media. This next good connects us all. And I it was just a magical time. And then so. Yeah, we did a whole bid at my show where we were just goofing off me and Jona just kind of making fun of Joan array as he was just playing drums by himself between comedians. And how awkward it was in sounded. And then. I was like, maybe I'll try to play guitar. And this is at the end of the show as we still sound like shit. We need texture and then Mark was planted in the center of the audience. And he said, I can be texture and market hinted that he was going to do something at the show. So a lot of was probably like, in a, you know, two hundred and fifty seats at this venue, the satellite. There was probably a hundred die hard. Follow everything, Mark compass does blink one eighty two fans there. And then we started playing dammit. And the everybody pushed the tables, and chairs to the site in just became this lake. Free-for-all mosh pit people jumping on stage. It was insane. I was like the it was the best night of my life. No question. And then we closed we did some covers disner von cover a dinosaur junior cover in a cover the cure and then did a closed with I miss you. Right. And you got to basically do this. We did the bit pretty much. Through the bit with music yard, Mark. He told the story and then set up the bit and it was great. It was full on dream. And there's a video of it on YouTube. But I think my name is misspelled. Felt like white Mer something like that. Yes. Offers all the time over lift. And somebody goes your name is. It's usually someone who. Yeah, whatever. And they go your name is white and your white. That's like a really common thing. People say. Usually England English as a second language. They're kind of just like that name is my name on the app is what wit and they're like. Oh, that name is white. And this white ask guy walk car. That's funny. That's so cool that, that all happen to you where you been truly downhill Everson, like that was great. That was four years three or four years ago. And really like just nothing. It's hard to I'm you. I'll say it you peaked. Now, I was I was there in the audience and the way I. Yeah. Well, I don't it's all a blur. There's I mean, there was also literally hundreds of people there, but yeah, I, I was there and it was watching you be the happiest little boy. It's like you get to literally live your dream you get to do comedy and music with your hero doing the song that he wrote a joke about. I mean, really what's there? That's it. Yet done. Did it? Yeah. And he couldn't have been nicer. He was saying, cool stuff all night, like dude, it's been a long time since I've played a show where the people are like this close. Oh, my friend Brock from Alabama came. And Brock actually taught me how to play the song carousel by blink. One eighty two on the base when I was in sixth grade, and he came and watched and it was like this is Brock. He's like he's the one who taught me all about how to play bass, and Mark with talked to him for a while. And it was just like it was wild real. Yeah. Yeah. See you have his phone number. You like do you guys text each other? Yeah. If I something, you know, I'll something's relevant to his interest. Yeah. Going to bother him too much. He's a very giving guy. And I imagine I'm not the only person he's done some life changing shit too. But if they play in L A, all I would go tech Simmons, can I go watch, you know? Yeah. They're coming. They're coming. They're touring with lowland. Yeah. Crazy. And it'll be interesting. Hey, emerge of pop and. Yeah. Punk when that have been funny, if you hit them up, and he got you tickets to fire fest before they cancelled. Yeah, I haven't talked to him about fire fast. I think he truly was like I don't wanna play fire fest, because they didn't have the equipment for us to actually play found out sniff out that you weren't. Ford that something was very wrong with that festival. I love the idea of low Wayne and blink whether to touring together because it is like the year, two thousand one came to life like, that is the real. That's some real two thousand one. Yeah. Stuff like little Wayne was a little bit later than that. Or maybe I just wasn't cool. And I didn't hear about low until later. No way. What was his first big song because he's on. He's on a track with, like seven other rappers, and I want to say it's may be back that asset I don't right? Isn't he is? I'm back that s up. He's on soldier with Destiny's Child that was life like before you had his two that's like one of his first showing like it was on soldier in, like two thousand I want to say maybe two thousand one because the Carter was until two thousand four. But it's big breaks me that was. But also again, I'm lame didn't know nothing about little Wayne until he started a tour with blank. I remember it being like two thousand nine in there was a documentary that came out about him that got he got pulled was because he was drinking scissor. Yeah. And he was really mean and we found it, and we downloaded it and watched it legally and he, he comes off, like a really bad guy in it. But anyway, that was my introduction to him. And I was like, what songs does this guy sing? And then I think still to this day, the only song, I know of his then while we pop it got let it cook. Strengths deleo you know that song had love how to love. That's I MRs officer for some reason, sure. Can stop me. Yeah. And that's, that's always got all sorts of problems. But a lot of songs have big Lou win big in the skate world. That's a little he started to skate. He put out that rock album to in the mid to like twenty ten something like that he put out just a straight rock album. He's like ice skate. And I play rock music getting used to it and everyone was like, we don't like it. And he's like cool. I'll go back to wrapping. So blink one eighty two becomes eligible this year for the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Yes wit when it comes to the rock and Roll Hall of fame. They're not very clear about the criteria of why someone goes in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. It's kind of nebulous, so I've done my homework to try and come up with a list of criteria that we can use an hopefully accurately determine if someone will get into the rock hall of fame. Serene Secolo break. And we come back, we're going to put fuck and blink one eighty two to the test of the categories, all is that going to have a theme song to? Nope. We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. I hope you had a nice break. I hope maybe our talk of skating, made, you think I should try that? If you've never tried it before, maybe you got out there you put it on. Pause. You got out there on a skateboard and you kicked it a world you kicked pushed kicked push coast. It's there's actually say, fiasco, some scape beef with that song. Really? What is that song? I don't know if people think push by Lupe fiasco, a Chicago rapper people think skate community. I guess thinks of loop as being a phony, who's just trying to make a buck off of the skate culture. But he's he was way early on that, that was like two thousand one two thousand three. It was to LA five right before I moved to LA. Yes. Maybe to those racially motivated. No. Because it's, it's the like black skaters who, who are involved in hip, hop is also, I remember there used to be this beef with this guy named Terry Kennedy, who. Who didn't like Lupe fiasco, because he's like he's just trying to get in in commercials or something like that. You ask goes a bit of a lifestyle rapper. I think that might like, but he wasn't selling like rap lifestyle. He was selling the kind of like hip skateboard lives the backpack rap. Yeah. The backpack rallies important gateway tightly drug. I'm not mad about losing. I'm not mad about that album subsequent ones. I did not like as much. Yeah. You just want intensity. I think when it comes to hip hop, and maybe he didn't skate, and I think maybe that's didn't scape. Well, I don't know. I, I don't know anything about him. But I think I know who will know less about him our listeners. Let's go through these categories, okay? Fiasco was before we talked about it today. Please tweet at us. I would love to know some just tweet at Christian. Florida to me to hear about this. All right. So let's go through these categories with blink. See how they how they major. Okay. So the first category, not a great one for blink which is critical acclaim and. After after you like. Well, he taught me the base part when I was in sixth grade, because it was really easy. I think, you know, the relationship between critics, and blink has been one that has not been super kind, but it has evolved in blinks favor over time. I think so. I think nowadays, people would look back and go, oh, that's important that they that you can certainly recognize the influence at the time. They weren't taken very seriously when they didn't take themselves makes sense. Yeah, I think that they kind of got because they came about in the kind of like jackass era, you know, especially like they became really popular in that, when, like Dong male skate, culture, kind of took over the mainstream for awhile and nobody, but people didn't necessarily like take it seriously as muse as like they didn't take their music seriously. There were like this is for kids, you just wanna have fun, and like heart them south on Mike. And you know. It's weird. You almost are forced to retroactively reconsider it which may be an oxymoron, or maybe a redundancy. But the fact that every band after them in that John rea-, how many of them have been super popular. You know, it's like blink one eighty two could have existed. Exactly how they existed. And you don't have to take them seriously. But it just so happens. They influenced so many people to pick up a guitar and start a band. I mean, yeah, there's then blinkering eighty two in the wake of blinkering ADT. You get fall out. Boy, you get panic at the disco disco, my chemical romance, taking back Sunday. What all of warped tour is. Yeah. Well, and that's they were such a warped tour when you were talking about that, like fat, records compilation that was like, for me going to warped tour in the nineties was very like that was when I first saw blink. And that was when I felt like just on compilation CDs was kind of the thing. But I was I. I was never huge into blink. I was more into Scott and then I was more or I was more into like hardcore punk and less to pop punk then that, I think it also just was like generational for me, is, like, I if I missed Pokemon, I'm as Poggi mom by a few years. And I miss truly liking blink blink one eighty to buy a few years. The next category is classic albums. Now, the Rolling Stone said is not gonna put blink Manny. Blink one eighty two albums on a list of this album. Rolling stone. So in a way, this almost lets you still be an outsider. You were like, you know, I don't like I didn't want to get with anything that was too popular. But now, it's like you're an outsider for the critics, you know. You know. If they do have a classic album, you know, if a list was made of the greatest albums of all time, and it was made in maybe twenty years, I think, enema of the state could wind up there and question they're going to realize, because right now, there's already beginning to be a like pop punk in the style of Lincoln eighty two resurgence band sounding like them again. And there's gonna be a band that comes out that sounds like them from nineteen ninety nine that wins awards and then they're gonna go, oh, we were just copying what blink one eighty two did in nineteen ninety nine and then people will go back and go, oh, that was really important. But it's gonna take ten more years. It's going gonna take some time tell it's going to be important in like a landmark. But, like, we're there's just too many old people to say no to that idea at this point. And also the big beak. Blink fans aren't old enough to make those fancy decisions, right. Yeah. That's very, very true. Yeah. What they can do they can show up to the rock hall, and then they can type ten two. Let's do a key question. Do you think that there's a two separate votes going for like blink one eighty two and then blink dash one eighty two? You know, I don't I don't think of the I think it's all going in the same place. Thanks, so. Well, I'm what about British people who type in blink one eight two? I don't know. There's different. British people. Call them blink one eight two. And it's like fun thing that the British I don't know if you know this, I've lived abroad, just I've been around I have come with many different cultures. Not a cultural Uber pool with she'll. Okay, it's coming. I've told them to bring a gun. Well, then, let's, let's talk about kind of icon, IQ or recognizable songs. And I think blinked us quite well in this category. This was the thing that with this came up on an earlier episode when we were talking about the idea that what was it smoke on the water is the rift that people would play in a guitar store, and it used to be banned from a guitar store, and they were and, like they set it at the rock hall induction, like a few years ago, wasn't when deep purple got inducted during D purples induction. They said that, and it was like we were all like, is that still true, and it's probably not people are not playing smoke on the water in or young people aren't picking up a guitar and playing that for the first time. And we're like what is the riff that people are playing, and it might be the damn? On the water. I learned that, right. When I learned how to play it's, it's one of those like anyone can do it. Fucking sounds cool, and that in a cream gene during term. And Iran, Jerry. Right. Back to that era. Don't tell Stephen right? Right. Sunshine of your love. Yeah. Yeah. Blinkhorn eighty two for sure. Is. That's I think why they're so important to so many young people in even today you go to their concert. Those dudes are in their forties and everybody most of the people at their shows are fifteen still and seals at this accessible quality to their music in kids here in the all I wanna I can figure out how to play that or you know, blink quantity to cover bands are rampant. It's quite some fun. Blink wanted to cover band names. Have you heard? No. But they spawned a band called man overboard, which is a good one of their songs. Yeah. Which is a sign that they did. There's a lot. I mean I don't know. I've only I can't believe there's no ban called Wendy clear, which is my favorite Lincoln eighty two song. But they, they have so many riffs so that you could play. Right. Because like the, the more complicated is that little opening riff to what's my age again. Which on the live album, their live tour album from like the late nineties Tom before he plays. This one's hard to play. Because I think that's that is kind of hard to play that riff. And then all the small things is like a it's like a pretty easy rip. And then yeah, if we're talking about, like the songs that everybody knows from blinking to its, dammit. What's, what's my age again? All the small thing. Shoe care. Your ride. Adam song. Yeah. Adam sang. That's the sad one. It's the one about this. You aside. They did it on MPR about that song recently. And how many people's lives it changed really recital? Tino teens that song is really important to a lot of them because at that was written about their friend who committed suicide, and so many people have the lyrics to that song tattooed on him and neighbors, interviewing, my Mark the idea of that song, I can't tell you how it goes off the top of my head. Jews. Please tell this is not or fall. This is what is special about them actually Bentley banished Repin hard for that. Okay. Spilled the app. Do remember when I spilled the Cup of apple juice in the hall. Please. Tell mom is not her fault that most people would go. Well, that's not bad lyric. There is something there, simplicity. That is such a stupid nothing memory. And then they follow it with please tell mom, this is not her fault. And then what the fun? It's incredible aided, and then they don't switch. Yeah. Plate. Right. That's like following the moment in the jerk rethinks the cancer, there's something wrong with the cans in with beautiful scene of them walking on the beach playing that song. Yeah, it's, it's the debt Kadhamy of man. Truly and I doubt they had any awareness as they were just being real doing their thing. And then I would say, like I miss you, which we had already kind of referenced. Changer song for them really how because it's fully emo-. Yeah. They were this gateway. They were pop punk. And then they were they did the reg to take off your pants and jacket, which is like, okay this is a different turn, but they're still upbeat, and it's still like I'm young and I make mistakes, and blah. But then they have a couple songs about being lonely and being misunderstood. But they're still really a beat then they get self titled album miss. You comes out was that was after take off your pants. Yeah. So there were some hits on take off your pants and jacket, which, again how do you not take them seriously? The rock show. The show. I date I. That's. Remember and apparently, those songs were written because the label was like y'all have any hits on this song. We need singles, and they wrote hay day and rock show like Minna couple days. Right. And can you tell maybe? But first day is to this day there. First day. It's the best best music video of all time. It's in the seventies, and they're going to a water park. Okay. It's just the three of them and they're just like these decades, going to the waterpark park, it's hilarious. Their videos were always very funny. Yeah. And fine running around naked running around. Yeah, I've really the like they came into just kind of like young male dumb ass culture, was just like taking over at that time they were leading the charge and I think I was probably low key. I wasn't as high key, as I am now about it. But I think I was probably low key resenting, that shit. I was like fuck you, you can't just run around and be a dip shit all the time and have everyone love you for it 'cause, you know who can't do that women play. And I was like, so mad about it probably, but didn't underst- I probably haven't processed. So I. There's not a lot of female pop punk bands. There's female punk bands Paramore. Right. That's closest thing I could think of that's probably the closest. But they're more emo-, right? Yeah. Pop punk there close. And they I think they're definitely inspired by blink. Quantity to definitely. But that's I'm into the and it's not like they're all women. They just have a one woman. Hey, does she play guitar? Sometimes would be my guess. Yeah. No, also, she's like incredible destined to be something. They've yeah. They stuck around for a while. Paramore. They keep reinventing them saying good job of, of reinvented. Keeping it fresh when they are someone that, that's a ban that I'm like, only very peripherally aware of their great and you hear their songs then you're like, oh, yeah, I know that, that one song, and I'm to rock bottom. Yeah, so good hard times that's on. Oh, yeah. As long as you're straight up. Hey, also from that same. It's only from a few years ago, rose colored bully. But I mean there are some, but, but I think that I think to also growing up in warped tour culture and like being like a Scott kit. And that kind of stuff it was very it was frustrating, just how mail it was. And kind of like even to be like, peripheral like a sideline like your job is a girl in like music culture from that time. And now still was to, like, watch your boyfriend's band watcher boyfriend skate like those, that's like your whole job was to like be not being participant like look hit. And then congratulate you know. And it was like there was just no representation, necessarily like on stage. It was a lot. There were a lot of, like, you know, seen kids out there just, you know, will the I think in ways probably good. Because now there's not a checkered passive a bunch of really cool talented women with a real making really bad decisions as musicians. I'll think all of those talented women who maybe were the giant, giant puffy, shoes, giant pants tiny shirt and watch their boyfriends play really. I wanna play music, but not that, and so they started. Yeah. Like or they may be like, did some art. They are. Oh, math rock like metal core. Whatever it is. I, I know in my scene like most of the female lead bands were something that you couldn't really make fun of nowadays. Yeah, it was it would be some, like cool, power violence band, or some cool, like hardcore band. Right. But nothing that could be I don't know, commercially viable the. That's the. Tyron, but you can't really gimmick on them you've never fucking her. Guess what? They're the are punk. That's all that matters. So, so a good amount of songs that I would say, most people recognize from dammit, which may eight again, Adam song all the small things rock show, first date. I miss you, and then. We had talked about this a little bit before this song bored to death was a sign that came out on their album, California, which is a post Tom yet. Oh dhillon. Delong delong and what angels air. He kind of did that before. Did box car racer? Oh, yeah. Remember after take off your pants and jacket, which was like more dark kind of more Email. And then they did the self titled album, box car, racer was very annoying. It was stupid that he did that angels and airwaves. I recall thinking was pretty decent. I remember them having a hit angels as a few hit. Yeah. Angel airwaves, fine. They're not for me, but they sound nothing like blink one eighty two and that's what you found annoying about box race or sounded like blink one eighty two without Mark hops. It didn't he did he do it with Travis. Yeah. And that was a real point of contention. I mean I imagine. Yeah, I, I don't know the store. I was reading a little bit up on it. And in that was like, okay if you're gonna do a side project in the new invite the other guy in the band. There's three people in the right. Yes. Yeah. It's I'm gonna take it personally. Which is understandable is a situation of, of we have Mark, nobody's gonna take us seriously because they'll just think of us as this joke bands like blink eighty two and marks, I think point has always been, I don't care what people really have to say about us. I think it's important that we just continue to make music together in our friends. Yeah. And I think Tom probably cares a little bit more about more about being taken seriously as relation, and so they, they have gone back and forth from, like, whenever I mean, after Travis got in that plane crash, obviously brought them back together. And then they started making music again. And then it's just been really back and forth, literally. Hey though right now us, but it was it was a that is a great. Documentary about. I can't remember the name of it. But it's about eight died. Travis Barker, buddy. Holly Ritchie vestments all on a plane together died in that plane. The survive now dead isn't he DJ a m really tragically died like couple years later, but the documentaries so good? It's about DJ 'em and the Howie, sort of, invented the like famous DJ. He was the first one, you know, in a way and then it goes into the plane crash, and it's, it's crazy. Well, but that's what I honestly. The only reason I know who DJ 'em is because he almost died. And then he did die thing that will about DC for me. Yeah. But it's worth watching this. There's also stuff about Paris Hilton in that whole scene. You know, how wild who was to was the drummer, married to SRI Moakler? They had like a reality Sean show, you what was it called Travis? Shanna really wake up with the drummer Travis, my buddy clay his favorite thing about you to. Is that Travis put out a solo? Record cold. Give the drummer, some good name. It's cute cute, cute. You wanna hear this the song bored to death share? This is from their most recent album. This is from their most recent album. This is the one that knocked out Drake. The album knockout Drake. I wouldn't the song, I would say didn't this, this song, trumpet. This was the lead. Yeah. The lead song. Sanger. That's on my whole life. It sounds like classically. Yeah. It does. I, I don't hate this. I would not choose. Just really reminds me of time in my life. This is very taking back Sunday. Very like. I think that blink was influenced what you can really hear the influence of the bands that were influenced by blink and blinks records are a bar house of influence. You can year the taking mic Sunday in their coming back up and they go these guys they figured it out these guys like us. And now they're making this cool shit. Let's kinda sound like the guy who replaced Tom delong is. From them out. A band that I loved Mike. I, I still really I'm sure I like them. I just don't often. Listen to outline trio, here's what's cool about seeing them now is Tom would sing their old songs in? He would just fuck it up like he's a notoriously bad live musician. And now you got Matt Skiba who I think, is I don't know if this sounds like I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but alkaline was always that band on the border always on the bubble. They never voted. They always say or group of fans, so who knows if he's ever getting like a real paycheck. I don't know what anyone would know of alcohol in trail, like if you don't know the band. Now, you don't maybe you know, fuck you Aurora. I don't know what you, I mean, from Chicago. So I like that. Like I know who they are because of where I grew up in the kind of music that I grew up listening to, but they are not a big there. Important. I know a lot of people with tattoos of tour for the rest of their life show up. But they probably would never be rich or whatever. So when you're watching blink now and you're watching them play. These new songs also met skiers in incredible. Qatar player in his he can sing really good. So you watch them and you see him fees. So excited to play in front of so many Peter finally really sweet. Wiz, we saw them. My sister is fourteen years younger than me, and she got into blink wanted to would she was in college. She was like, Kristin, you have all of these great old CDs. Oh, yeah. Get into it girl show. Little. I'm going to see blink. Lynn eighty two and I'm really excited. I was right. Ninety seven you'd better buckle up. Well, I guess this is growing up. That's the only tattoo I always think about getting like a real tattoo. I get him as a joke, but and that's the only thing I can ever think of getting this growing up. Yeah, that's funny. The next category is commercial success. Which is like, Yep. That's the that's like the whole thing they sold fucking more than fifty million records worldwide, like they their success and kids are still getting into the who brought that up in. It's true. It's just like there is a time in your life. That is the time for blink one eighty two and blink really killed it with merch. So you're seeing people, maybe ironically wearing blink wave of whether blink one what's the merch look like I didn't recognize your hat. He's wearing a hat with a little skin their most sought after merged for people my age is just the album artwork for 'em. The state and take off your pants and jacket so Janine into Muller, the stronger, the point star with the, the nurse route. That's enema. The state. What's on your pants and jacket is a primary colors of a plane. A pair of pants and a jacket in Mike round much like their lyrics weird. They get the idea that shuttle, and they're cool and they reissue their old merchant. I have old blink Neetu hat from they're like I. You know, I a rabbit from this thing going to remember to take a picture together. On the hat, and that ties into the next category longevity, which is the fact that there because they are able to connect with teenagers. Still, they've been able to have a long career, you know, they started like they became eligible this year, so they were kinda starting out in the mid nineties and they're still going today. And that is another like, I think huge point in their favor. Right. It's like I was thinking about this recently as long as there's teenagers people will like blink one eighty two as long as there is college art kids, people will like the talking heads, but a type of person who's dying is like a big ADI hard rock in sunset, strip dickhead, people might not like hair meddle in the future. You know what I mean? Oh, no one. Knew is liking here. Oh, it's not gaining new fans. Right. Just riding out the storm. Yeah. It's just the people who liked it are still around, you know, they're just older. And they are going to the rocker hall of fame, and it's, it's the, the skaters versus the sunset strip versus Goths in a different a different light. And this, this is one of the thing, I'll say about longevity and blink another nice thing about Mark hop. This is he is completely unaware of how his music has affected people in the generations below him. He doesn't understand that. He's cool. Really? No. I, I was saying to him one time than dude, your color way for your bass guitar. He has this seafoam green base that he's known for is the most everybody wants everybody in the bands that I go see an I play with we everybody wants a Fender strat. Or a Fender precision bass that is that seafoam green color in. That's because of you, when, when we were kids, we saw you play that. And he was like, what who? And I was saying, these cool bands that are like relevant and cool today. And he's like, really, they know about. They like gave a fuck about what I was doing. I always thought of language you, as like outcasts, like dorks, nobody cool. Whatever like boy quantity, to, and it's funny. I think I think that's why he's remained having such a cool attitude is because he's like feels lucky to be thought he hasn't let it go to his head. Right. He doesn't even seem to really have a grasp on no impact. No, not at all. And Travis is like just some weirdo prodigy, who's just like bang, bang. I need to play a drum play drum now gift drummer song. Yeah. I've spent like I saw a few episodes of his reality show, or at least I can think of a few minutes of his reality show, and it was just like one of those ones where it's just I think it was supposed to be like, very light hearted. And then he got into a plane crash, and it became like very super serious. I don't even remember that. I remember just like being like it was like him and his porn star looking wife and then, like that their kids, and there was just nothing it wasn't about anything. It was just me the Barker's what it was called live in a big house, and that's that Mike. What I don't understand that style of reality television because I didn't get into back in the day, Osborne's. Yeah. All that stuff the next category. It's something we've already talked about quite a bit as innovation and influence. I wouldn't say that they're necessarily innovative, but the influences I mean we've been talking about it the whole time. It's, it's crazy. And it's also not something that has gone unknown. Noticed in twenty twenty seven the New York Times said, no punk band of the nineteen nineties has been more influential than blink one eighty two. They're just so I mean, I can't think of another band to even you could in the category, like this is what I mean. Like I was I thought it was earlier, like follow out. Boy is not like the bands that came after them or the bands of the influence, or whatever follow boy, or like panic at the disco, even though they're still releasing music. I guess appearing to the disco is still very popular and have there's a song to have right now called like how high that is. I hope I hope that's it. And he, he do at swith he did healers with my friend is his hair makeup, our views. They're hosting that song, still gets played constant. I mean it's still played. That's a new song high hopes and it gets played constantly. It's follow up boy. Now they have shifted into being in the same way with its like pop. Just full pop with samples. And all that kind of stuff now. But I guess what? I'm saying is like, I, I feel like maybe I'm wrong, blink Wendy to is much more popular than either of those bands in the like fame scale, they've remained the most consistently pop punk out, all end remained very pump and Viva. Chief like I con ecstatic right. Yeah. Whereas, I guess I don't think of fall out boy that way. No follow boy, doesn't quite spanned the generations, panic at the disco again, might because of like I said, the there's somehow still going, but I think blink is able to their impact it just spans generations as with set as long as, as teenagers Blanco ninety two shots of on. That's a, that's a good sound bite. If we, if we released soundbites, I think that would be qlo-quote from this episode. The they're still bans that sound like blink inner trying to sound like blink. That's not true. For like, nirvana. You know, I think Nirvana's a better band, but I don't think weirdly there as I think a lot of people to pick up guitars and stuff. But I don't think any music, still sounds like that a lot. What happened with nirvana? I was thinking about this. The other day is a lot of bad people were influenced by nirvana and Pearl Jam. So you get like Creedence either, and all those in all these kind of now Bush, you really can. Coming up for. But for Nickelback DACA for Nickelback is another one. Sorry Bush Bush is very terrific. David, so that they're not puddle among those bad. They didn't know that they're gonna was influenced by, like, mud wipers. Yeah. In the wipers, they just think they're like, we just wanna sound like you're von. But we're going to take out all the good stuff. Yeah. Just kinda sing like vein. Yes scream. I just the thing that I think so much was watching that Radiohead, package and realizing how influenced Radiohead was by nirvana was like such a just you forget because Radiohead is just. Real crazy turn, and they are who they are. Now, the last category is does my mom know who they are. And I texted her, and she said, Yep. Oh, really? She she might not be able to name a song. You know, that's, that's in many ways, the most important category, because you can't really get into rock hall of fame. If you're not famous and everybody knows you. And I think everybody knows blink one eighty two including dear old mother. Yeah. I think so. I would assume your mom knows who wanted to have your life. The only kids who might not our musical. I've found that musical theater kids typically, like grow up knowing the least about the stuff cow. I was also a musical theater kid, but I was but I was kind of a punk kid, you're an old. I was I was I was on all the fringes of cool. All, you know who'd be great on your podcast. I listened to Christina Hendricks WTO, and she has a vast knowledge of Goth music, and indie rock music of the early ninety should get her. A rich. After Christina haven't text her in a while. So she might be kind of mad because I because I because I go sit her. But yeah, we'll see how she feels. All right. It's time for a verdict should blink one eighty to be in the rock hall of fame. Will they get into the rock and Roll Hall of fame? And if so, when will start with Kristin, I can't believe that, but yeah, I think blink wanted to should be in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I think that they will get into the rock and Roll Hall of fame definitely. But I don't think it's going to be like, an f y the way that other more prestige bands are FYE, meaning first year eligible, I don't think that you're getting this year, although the honestly might unless my dreams come true of an all female class, but. I think that it could happen. Do they play the game at all? Did we talk about the cell? Did they don't show up? They don't play the game or anything and I'm trying to think of, like based on kind of what's going on. I don't know that we're almost ready for punk to enter like, like pop Hong LEGO to enter day. Yep. But they also played the game, and I was actually going to bring that up because I think Green Bay has like a specific style of singing. And I think that like blink wanted to owes a lot to green day. I feel like that's a, a real really, I've always thought of him as just doing a British accent Jost drummer, voice. I just mean like with the kind of like stripped, down punk like kind of. Just like really what he's the way for all of them is the offspring interesting offspring before green day. Yeah. The offspring was the first independent the highest selling independent album of all time with smash. I mean, I remember that. Because of that. That's when all of these little pop punk fans to get signed sniff around being like what you got. There's a documentary on just like a YouTube documentary called lake some numbers in the pop punk takeovers something interesting. Yeah. I'm intrigued. But I'm sorry, I think that they'll get in. I, I just don't think we're ready for it. But I guess I could see it in the next I could see it five years from now five to ten. I just I don't think it's gonna be immediate even though they're doing well in the poll or whatever wrote, okay, what do you think I think that they definitely should? And I think that they will. But I'd say even longer, I think ten I think that it would take somebody who's my age to make something that really is is for really beloved by punk pop punk. Fans and critics like art critics and finding that line. And then. You know, making people aware of how important Lincoln eighty two is I don't think anything like that is going to happen for at least ten years, dads, are going to hear on the radio or it's just going to have to be our generation becomes dad's. Exactly. Arjun ration- gets a fancy job at Rolling Stone. Right. Some beautiful article about how, you know, Adams sung, save them. That's their Finnigan. They already do that on NPR. And that was a really popular piece. My dad heard in texted me the thing. So they're already doing that. And that was in two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen so maybe it'll be sooner maybe I'm wrong, why think they should I think they will. I think it's gonna take fifteen years. That's about feels. Right. To me, if it took the cure fifteen years, that way, even, but I will get it will get easier and, and it will take less time, I think, for bands to get in because of. Of the, it's a little bit diminishing returns, the sixties baby. But what's happening is like, okay if they were to get in this year, they would be leapfrogging so much alternative music that came before them. I mean they'd be leapfrogging the smashing, pumpkins and Soundgarden an Allison chains, and then they'd also be leapfrogging like the replacements and black flag, and the pixies and their depth Depeche mode, and the Smiths and joy. So it's like there's this backlog, where to put blink. But a head of them would be kind of strange. I just think blink no one's going to be advocating for blinked to get in before all those groups. Definitely and do any of the like does the cure play the game with no cure. They kind of reluctantly showed up, and then they were not. A good time. They had a great time but they almost weren't gonna play at the ceremony. They were going to play music. They were just going to maybe not gonna show up, but they kind of labor convinced and they showed up and they had a great time. They played a bunch of songs, and they sounded incredible. You are the rock hall, and you're like, God, we have to beg these people to come and accept this honor. You have to tell them, we'll, it will accept Reeves Gabrielle's their guitarist. Join twenty twelve just to appease, Robert move. Yeah. It's, it's and worried that that's going to happen. More and more. Deadly members come. So every every person was alive pretty much. Yeah. But other thing is think about this last year too and just almost everybody that showed up except for the ambiance and def Leppard Stevie nicks. So it was like what Radiohead, the cure? Roxie and Janet Jackson, though, definitely those three and of those had to be like, really kind of asked. Oh, yeah. I mean it was it was a problem. You wonder what's going to happen to these ceremonies? When it's like the Smiths are inducted in psych will. And we don't see a microphone ever. You just you wonder about if these bands will care or we'll show is it three a year that they do they did seven this year, and at least five different ceremonies. It's not all one. It's one year. It's one altogether. Well, yeah. So like the class of twenty nineteen. Concert that had def Leppard and the cure on it. It was. Radio. But now, now, the jackass fan with they're, they're getting though, because they're getting into these gothi eighties bands. And then these nineties vans, who are influenced by these eighties bands, those bands didn't want to be like accepted, etc. This way, so they're thinking that still thinking it's lane trouble. That's the issue. Yeah. And that's most good music, no matter how successful we always say, the, the least, rock and roll thing you can do is want to be in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. It is. It's truly that so all right? Let's say they get in though, Sabe Lincoln eighty-two gets in. It's pretty obvious which band members get in the three don't put in that original drummer. I don't think he was released significant story. No, I don't think you just Travis Tom in let Scott was there. He was there for dammit. But you're I don't know. They could do it. But like, I don't know who index them who gives the speech to induct them, a would be are the foo fighters in they're not be though. But Dave, Dave Grohl is in with nirvana. I think it'd be Dave Grohl. Is he applies? Plays a big part in their trajectory. Oh, no need to them with the food fighters to Australia. When I think the story is they were opening for the food fighters. Dave grohl. Got a kick out of them because they have a lot. You know, clearly musically a lot the same influences in shit. And I think they either signed the deal for their like major record deal while they're opening for the fight opening. Dave Grohl was just like you guys are going to be the biggest ban it's gonna change. It would be so beautiful. If also leash doctor he is on the nominating committee. He's on the nam com. Use inducted Queen fighters. In and that's also may style thing yet because usually it's I mean, there's three categories leopard, and he told all these stories about them going on tour together differed over Queen, I think Brennan Yuri from Pentagon disco is, I mean, I it's hard for me to gauge how popular and famous he is. I think he is. But yeah, the categories are like it could be someone who influence them appear or someone who was influenced by playing styles. Inducted stevens. Cenex. Whoa. Is it your will? All right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, maybe I'll be famous in that point night, and you can do it. God, I would. Oh my God, I would stop. I would be no question. What I Chris rock inducted actually peppers. David Letterman inducted Pearl Jam. Oh, that's a big deal. Letterman has a big soft spot for Pearl Jam in foof writers. He maybe he'll induct the food. Fedor. All right. So they get to play at the ceremony three or four songs while the blink songs are so short. Maybe they get to play five minutes long I would say they play put like a jam in it or. I mean green day, only played three songs. Yeah this short. So I'd say they played dammit, they play all the small things and then maybe in the middle of that. They play miss you. And then if they get another one. What's magic? They do. What's my age again? I think they would have the wherewithal to know not to play new because I e a Markov is posted, his the song the lists of whatever's playing at this, like back to the beach throwback Email pop punk festival. Blink headlines and it was all classics. It was all claims. He gave the people what they want give the people some, and if they do it's like, and then the other choices, Adams, Hong, and those are the play, you know, I don't think you do rock show or for state because I don't think they really like those songs. Yeah, there's some Sony sent. Oh, we don't play that because it's hard to play it. Oh, it's not fun. Because everybody's just singing in trying really hard play the riffs or I can't remember if this funny. If, if they get inducted will you go to ceremony with us. Yes, eyelid go dude, I would no question. Would I go? Yeah. Actually, if they got inducted, he has phone number. You know. Probably maybe saving then. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Non-Performer Inductees

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: A History of Non-Performer Inductees

"The diggers you have entered the halls of Pantheon podcasts. What you aren't listening to is new ordinary very podcast feed? This is an audio music magazine where you may or may not read. Well listen to be more exact to all the articles. But if you do indulge us here you will find amazing new content including music history commentary interviews reviews and more to satisfy the music lover in you here in the main hall. You will find all of the amazing music based PODCASTS. That make up the Pantheon network. Bud If you prefer each podcast title also has their own feed so you can find. Follow them wherever you are listening to great podcasts. The choice is yours Dan. Hi everybody welcome. Who Cares about the Rock Hall podcast about the Rock and Roll Hall of fame? I'm your host joke. Dala I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of Fame mm-hmm and maybe that's what keeps you coming back. But maybe what keeps you coming back is probably not much my co host. Who is with me as always doesn't particularly care about the institution? Kristen stuttered hello. Hello that is me the reason. Yeah Yeah I mean. There are only two reasons to this season season. The third reason is the interplay was dynamics is what lies in between yes maybe points of view. Well that's been our show so here we are. It's been two weeks since the hall of fame inductees have been been announced for the class of two thousand twenty. We have as a review. Can you tell me who are. Oh let's see when Houston B. I G t-rex God to patch then we get the DOOBIE brothers Not What Todd rundgren correct. There's one more and they're like also pretty much someone you with nine inch nails. How's it going with that and they're also pretty much thinking it was a one you would pretty much think was going to get in but then I realized no I already already said the Doobie brothers and the those were they were the ones that were kind of the shoe in but not todd rundgren knock getting in like him not getting in a nine inch nails giving in is a surprise to me? That's like a it's a change although once again you are talking as though you didn't predict nine inch nails uh-huh Todd Rundgren when I forced you to make predictions. Oh did I good for me but on my ballot the people that I drafted this year. I drafted todd early early which I do remember there you go. This moment is good. Yeah so that's Those are the inductees inductees. Now as you might recall when we recorded the episode rivaled the inductees to you. I mentioned that there might a little you were. You are a little out of it. Yeah little sickly and not thrilled with life but you might recall that I said there might be additional categories. Oh there might be. Those special categories does episode is. I don't know what this episode. FYI everyone no idea right so the they actually are going to be inducting people in a special category. Oh yeah is it any of the people who are nominated no. It's not so this year they are going to be going back to the Ahmet ertegun award for non for four matic though Ya Awesome Matt through that is true. We've talked Evelyn McDonald's about how I'm at air to gun. While obviously a major influential record executive was was also an abusive. I'm aired a gun and done some bad stuff Trivialize Ahmet error error. Dead Gun ever heard of a lot. He did But they are going to be inducting some non performers this year. Not but not PENATTA correct. She performs she performs and she's just not getting in. There's no like special surprise. This isn't the episode where you reveal that you were surprised from no no unfortunately damn it But I thought what I would do is I would go through a little bit of the history of this award award because we we talk about it. Maybe in passing. But I don't think we've ever really dove deep into who of the non-performers. They have inducted in the past. Yeah I mean the ones that I remember are the time. That the the stacks record people got inducted and they just purposely purpose leave for some reason left out the woman who co-founded and like what mortgage her home to found yet addicted Jim Stewart and not accident they literally say combination of their last names. Which is outrageous? I remember that and they used to do this. Category quite a bit like they don't go back to it quite as often but it was almost like they would do it nearly every single year is this what carole king is in as yes correct. ooh See I remember all all the wrongs that have been done in this category. The air error not obviously was not always called an award that happened. They had passed away. Or what abuser did it used to be named after just because obviously it used to be called the Joe Jackson non-performing Warm Award. So I thought we would just GONNA go through. Who's been inducted in this category? Okay so the first year they had three non-performers what's weird and worth maybe worth noting maybe not sometimes kind of arbitrarily. They give this award and they call it lifetime. I am achievement in non-performing and sometimes they don't and they there's like a handful of people now is that like a subtle diss. Is that like a you know the lifetime achievement people are are you know is that a higher ranking categories that a higher rank for a non-performance truly think it's just them forgetting what they call it. Like if you look on the wikipedia page for the list of inductees. The lifetime achievement award people are in a separate category than the non performer. But that if you go to the rock halls website it looks like they've just bunch them altogether. Okay and another thing to point out is record. Producers are often given this award but sometimes they're given the musical excellence award hall. Paul doesn't make any goddamn sense. Like what are you doing a. Yeah so the lines are not drawn very distinctly. I mean obviously there are people like say now Rogers who is a performer and a lot of his career has to do with this performance in addition to and he he was inducted as what he's musical. Excellent musical that fits great. Yeah because you wouldn't wanNA call him a non performer know how much he performs. That'd be rude. I saw him. Perform is carole king in a non performer. This is outrage. I mean it's not I don't even really care but I'm mad. I I'm frustrated. This is a minor nuisance. Especially just like if you're using the Nile rule will the Nile rule wasn't established. You know until twenty twenty seven years later. Carole King was inducted as non-performing very early on when they did not have a musical excellence. Category was her husband who she also used to write those songs songs with Gerry. Goffin he also more. They inducted together on the same damn plaque. Of course great songwriting team. Well and you know that I learned all this from beautiful beautiful the musical anything. Carol King and another point of distinction very weird heard three. They inducted three engineers at the same time. Three like very important record engineers and for some reason they were in the musical excellence. Category Glory instead of the non performer. Who knows why guys that was in twenty twelve with cosmo? Matassa Glyn Johns and Tom Dowd. So they're they're putting in some all right. Well let's let's start from the beginning. Let's start from Nineteen eighty-six. The first year the inducted a guy named John Hammond who was Dorgan No. Oh Oh John John Him I love him yeah right John Hayman from he do so he was a talent scout. He helped like launch Billie holiday and of Franklin. And then also signed Bob Dylan and signed Bruce springsteen he was just like a super influential like producer. Sir and talent scout. Is he the first person to get inducted as the non-performing yes. There were three people that I hear him. It was Alan freed. Alan freed was was a bird. He's the Song Free Bird. It's about him right if we're if we're following along Kristen's GonNa make a pun based on every person breath you buckle up everybody. Alan freed was a Cleveland area radio. Dj like coined the term rock and roll and it was like the first person to really start putting all these disparate songs in musicians together and play them on the radio in a format that was like rock and roll. Is that why the hall is in Cleveland. It's a big reason. Why in for a lot of people? That was their first introduction to the idea of rock and roll was hearing during this music on. Alan freed radio if I recall I from going to the museum I feel like there's a big old US front tribute tribute to him and then Sam Phillips who was the scourge driver. You can't put an amp together without out of the Phillips screaming. I've been saying that forever. No he was sun records in Malaysia. He was the guy who recorded elvis and Johnny Cash Roy Orbison and Carl Perkins and Jerry Lewis like he was sun records was obviously hugely foundational for rock and roll and he he was the guy behind it. It's pretty big is a pretty big names. Pretty big the first three in the I wanNA make sure that they were all white guys. Oh yeah great I I do just want to check in and make sure for sure. The next year eighty seven they inducted Ahmet Ertegun who was already made enough ponds about how terrible he was. Let's just as a human being but he did some good stuff Iraq enrolling US Atlantic records which was aretha and Ray Charles and later led Zeppelin. Neil young young. The conflict of interest obviously is that like an arrogant also started the rock and Roll Hall of fame like he was an important put himself in the first year like the first they put in him and yawn gave himself a year. I mean but he is like one of the most important record executives of all time. Then Lebron stoler. who were the songwriters who did a lot of Elvis songs? Dog the Nargis both both men as well. Yes okay. Great early run Mike Solar and then Jerry Wexler who was a producer at Atlantic who did again aretha the Franklin Ray Charles led Zeppelin he actually coined the term rhythm and Blues And then the last Non Performer in the second year. Eighty seven was Leonard Chess who did records and created the game of chess chess. Yes while Sun records was like Memphis. Chess Records was Chicago Geico so that was muddy waters. Chuck Berry Howlin Wolf obviously very important to the foundation of rock and roll the the third year eighty eight. We only had one on performer and was berry. Gordy good for him. Get out there berry. Motown never had a problem. Never did anything robber ever. That was the only one eighty eight eighty nine. I mean I mean. Let's let's up the you ready for it. Eighty nine Phil Spector vector okay creator of actual ghosts hmm like literally creator of Ghosts. He's out there making goes by murdering people. Obviously Phil Spector Wallace sound the girl groups etc.. Okay one thousand nine hundred billion sounded like you said Phil Spector. Wallace surround specter another term for ghost. True that's why I said that. Creating Specter's rooting Specter's because he did kill he killed someone. Donald is wife. He killed his wife. Yes and we're fine with it all right in one thousand nine hundred. That's where we get goffin king. Carole King Gerry Goffin there. She is the first woman inducted in this category. Only to be smoked in her own category and then also Hollan does your Holland so they they did songwriters in Nineteen Ninety Holland Dosier. How does your Harlan did a lot of the MOTOWN songwriting can I ask is that? That is one person's name aimed. Their name is Holland Holland. Okay is it to people who are married or brothers sisters no brothers. Of course sorry broken dreams. How does your Holland was Lamont? Dosier and Brian Eddie Holland and they wrote all the motor ship. Everything for the supremes the four tops a long list of Saris Hondas. You're hauling how can I help you exactly also oh founders of the Netherlands. Okay one thousand nine hundred eighty one. We've got three and nineteen ninety-one we've got a Su he aired again which is his brother. Okay like sister. This is why I mean. He was involved in Atlantic records but to be perfectly honest a lot of the the stuff that he did was jazz so it feels like he was inducted because his brother was in charge a little bit. Oh interesting while we're we're starting starting to see some cracks in the in the methodology. Yeah I mean this category. You'll notice is a lot of the people well who are involved in the hall because the people who are making the decision in the hall often are not performers and then we have a guy named Dave Bartholomew who we lost recently but he was a songwriter New Orleans a lot of effects domino talking at me. Oh you mean so this is kind of like this is feeling very songwriter. Heavy right now. A Lotta songwriters yeah record executives songwriters so far is about Out and we have one DJ but so far. That's that's basically what it is and then a guy named Ralph Bass who is a record producer and fishermen he's he's credited with bringing black music to the mainstream and too big and add big mouth. Billy Bass he is the one who created that put them in all the spencers gift stores across America and grow. Thank you for a bass fish singing. Take me to to the river All right now. Let's go to nineteen ninety-two where we have. Bill Graham. who was a promoter and he? His venue was the fillmore legendary alleged Jerry concert venue And he was super influential in terms of though a lot of like the psychedelic sixties. Sixty S. Yeah IT'S A. Is that a bay area place right. It's the San Francisco. Yeah I do. I've seen that at all the posters from the like Jefferson Airplane Woodstock Era James Hanna Yeah Yeah. All the fillmore was the spot. And then we also have Dr. Thomas who was Thomas Doc pomace Palmer on this pumice stone pomace pumice dot com songwriter. Did Save the last dance What was his real name? One get the nickname doc. How can you really well? His name was Dr so NFL. twer excuse me so neither of those dock palmists talk and pomace was also not his name. His name was not Dr Pomace. It was a stage name. What is this? I can't tell you this because I don't know how do you spell it p. m.. US maybe it's an acronym for like put now you gotta what's weird about. Dot Com is getting inducted. It was that his songwriting partner. More got if it's fucking woman put her and I it was set. It was the they were songwriting partners but he was not inducted until years later for kind of no reason. It's just weird well. He didn't have a cool name. If maybe more Schuman had picked a different names like chase. Dynamite dynamite. Yeah if it was Dr Thomas and chase dynamite me like rock and roll baby more Shuman send it back ACKFORD parasites sixes you know and then the other nineteen the third one thousand nine hundred to not performer. Was Leo fender. Who the fender bender? Yes I'm came up with the when you get into a little a little car accident near like obviously fender guitars. He created fender. Qatar is one of the most. If not the most recognizable brand of electric guitar also mort Shuman. Just it. Sounds like a name of a sketch character like I. It sounds sounds like someone you're like. Oh yeah he wrote for shut your show shows yeah wrote for Dick Van Dyke Show mort shuman classic comedy Radio Sixties these large menus to co lab with Steve Martin on the whatever brothers show that he show all right so ninety three. We've got Dick Clark one of the more famous non-performance clarks shoes. Is that a thing Clegg's clicks. It's a brand of shoes. That's kind of a whiff for me. Oh well I'm sorry Audience if you if you liked it get in there how you feel milt Gabler one with out of also like thirty. I've been pretty generous. Fender bender shoes pretty bad. Whatever all right next up we've got milt Gabler? Do you want to do anything with that. And of Green Gables my God he was like an early record producer. Sisters Tharp and Billie Holiday and Bill Haley early like some very early early rock and roll musicians and the nineteen ninety-four we've got Johnny Otis Spunk Lettuce. Buchmeier Meyer Cookies. Wow No you can't look at me. I just come up with them when I come up with them. I don't do one for every single one. Okay I see why I wanted to give you an opportunity. Otherwise I'm just going to steamroll through these Johnny Otis was who is Johnny music a talent scout for king records It's weird when I was kind of looking him up. He was also like a band leader and he was a performer. It seems like a weird category for him. You don't know what they're doing. Yeah whose friend was he Seymour's probably all right see more and then in ninety five we start to get into some for sure friends of Seymour. Paul Ackerman who was the editor for Billboard magazine during like the creation of rock and roll in the rock and roll era or the first people to take a rock and roll seriously as a journalist he also hired a fifteen year old Seymour Stein to it worked for his magazine Ninety six. They inducted Tom. Donahue who is another radio DJ and he kind of was the first person to have like Donahue's father a free form radio show so that kind of any kind of broke jazz so in the sense of like every every radio DJ was kind of the same and he was the first person to like. I'm going to play what I want. I'm maybe GONNA play like a full album side if I want. I'm going to play these artists artists. That are not commercial for renegade. Yeah okay a rebel. What was his name? Tom Donahue Tom Donahue. He didn't have a fun name. You Know Tom the NATO done or whatever ninety seven they inducted the founder of king records that King of King record it Nathan Math. Just sit Nathan Nathan. Nathan's hotdogs somewhat someone who was close with Seymour Stein. And he one of his most. It's important things is he. Like kinda cross bred country Western and R&B which you know as we know those were the main influence that became rock and roll in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight a weird one for non-performing performer. Allan Allan to sant- who sounds like a painter for sure. He's in New Orleans Songwriter. But he's also. He has a long career as a performer. Can I just count. So it's one woman so far. Carol King correct pulled up correct cool just checking of course and then nine hundred ninety nine nine we get George Martin who was the producer for the end. It's like where's the next book. George good I like that. That's good but he. He produced the Beatles records. Two thousand we get Clive Davis okay. Colombian Arista records you. He's just a big deal. I mean I've heard I mean like from Early on from you know Donovan. All the way to Whitney Houston given into like Kelly Clarkson like he's is is he still alive yeah is he still signing. I believe so that Sinan hands still work. Clive is still alive. Baby got got to imagine not to the extent but like he was a huge huge. Wow to have to have been all the way from Donovan to Kelly Clarkson is a real real. That's a wow. That's a long one. The industry has changed man. Two thousand one. We've got Chris Blackwell L.. who was the founder of island records? Catch was Bob Marley and you to now to where we get to actually watch this. This is Jim. Stewart of stacks records but not still accident and it's a wonderful life right. Yeah Yeah Jimmy. Stewart flood is van two thousand. Three Mo- Austin who is a warner brothers known. As a extremely artist-friendly rendered executive mo is not short for Maureen or Melissa. Or anything like that. He's a man short like Moat Komo or two more or more definitely more to more MO- cut. Because that's it for men's names that you could do mo for only be more more mortimer Mo Maurice Maurice Morris Ostrovsky Morris. Some people call me Morris. He knew what he was doing. His Maurice Oh Strahovski. I don't think so Mo- Austin that's more like it. I you know I say this. Is You know we both have very difficult. Showbiz names they. We did not change them all right. Two Thousand Four they inducted yon winner in a sense inducting himself he gives his own speech. Mick Jagger inducted him Oh of course that's like I don't know that's just like a circle jerk of oh absolutely we'll we'll get to more. It's the rolling. Stones Jerking off rolling stones. And then two two thousand five Seymour Stein. And then we also have the first and only agent to be inducted as a non performer. Galas Ari. We've got the guy who Ari gold the guy who entourage's based on that is the entourage character. Oh what's the guy's Aria manual. rahm Emanuel's Burger Tru truly that you've been making a lot of job that is actually true. Yes Frank Barcelona who come uh not only mean Frank Barcelona by their own say they do the tease your Castilian. He kind of invented concert. Touring the the wait is now like say what kind of figured where the only way for artists to actually make money off their music or a UH away a way for them to make money to really he like really kind of figured out streamlining the process and making a big deal and making it. A big moneymaker maker for artists and putting artists together packaging a tour to be like maybe naming it giving it like all all sorts of have things like that but I think he was maybe the first one to really like take it seriously and make it a huge business. And he he had the first booking agency I rock and roll booking agents. You know all right next up we have into six. We had herb Albert Herb Alpert her Nelson WanNa Brat Jerry Moss. Now they started am records that now alpert obviously is the same from the Tijuana brass okay and underperformer. But he's being recognized here for the label that he started which was called in Tijuana. Okay a an an Jerry Moss in your. They had a ton of artists most notably Janet and the police. When was that label founded? Was it's so funny because I guess I record labels have always existed for my whole life. Yeah I can't imagine. Take a lot of the record. Executives who are inducted are the ones who are like they signed Elvis like they signed Ray Charles or whatever it like goes early early on our an records still around people still signed it might have been I think a lot of the record labels sounds like that are bought by bigger ones in the lakes they still exist but they operate under the umbrella. I don't know for sure. Has Jimmy Wien been no one of these. I bet he's the one who gets one this year. Okay interesting that's my thought. Two thousand seven was the first year that they didn't do a non on performer. It had been going strong since the beginning but there was none in two thousand. They were like well. All our friends are in. Everybody gave each other a high five. took a bite of the hoagie and job job. Well done two thousand eight gamble and Huff who were songwriters kind of in two vices. The gamble into huff end up gamble and huff. That's cool. That's a cool duo name. We're gambling off. When did they do? They were songwriters taking out of Philadelphia. They did like a lot of the. OJ's snack okay. We take another break two thousand ten. We come bag and this is where we get Berryman and Cynthia. Weil we get we get and and that's a woman second woman. So we've we've got Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Jeff. Barry Elliott Woman's. No women have been inducted on their own. So far they're All inducted as part of a duo including my girl carole king and her cheating husband Jared Goff year they were in songwriting partnerships. Yeah I I mean it's I'm not. I'm just like the state of the world page charity as it's Dan. I'm just you're just planning to bear manatee instead the wild did you've lost feeling. And they did. We gotta get out of this place and Me and then dime worried about their marriage where they married to each other they were they were. Yeah Okay Yeah the last eleven and we got to get out of this place place Greenwich and Berry did leader of the pack and be my baby. Jesse Stone Own was also inducted that year Jessica. It's a man. Okay Jesse. Stone is an another. They did a lot of songwriters series this year and they did they finally got more Shuman in to Halley out are a more chew him and he came from the back of the store. Jesse stone did shake rattle and roll. They come and then Otis Blackwell. Who did don't be cruel? And he did great balls of fire in your own also two thousand ten. We got David Geffen of correct up to a theater. Maybe now there is yeah. Pin is on the west side. Yeah I mean he definitely is one of those dudes who is so rich his name. There are so many Geffen buildings and Geffen theaters in Los Angeles or actually. It's it's wild so we've gotten into. That's two thousand ten. We're starting to get into a more recent decades. Why don't we take a break? We will finish up the last few and then we will talk about who is being inducted this year in this category. So so let's take a break and we'll be right back. Okay bye welcome back. Everybody we hope you had a nice break. We hope over your break. You received a nice text message about a gift. You sent someone beautiful all right. Let's let's jump back in with the non performer. Category Two thousand in eleven. We've got art rupe. No that's not no absolutely not nope. Art Rupe Lemme. It's art a RT Rupe Roop R. O.. P. Close our up up that's it. Rupe an art rupe just so cute. He was a record executive producer. What's important about him? Is He kind of brought little Richard to the world and he's still alive. He's one hundred two years old still kicking. Oh my gosh yeah. Probably not very hard though I have gone. Imagine he's slowed down a little bit one hundred to one hundred and two. Oh yeah that's who. I remember this moment because pretty soon we have to be like. Hey Rube died remember. We talked about route. You'll be like he was like one one hundred. He'll probably live forever. I mean when you bring little Richard Little Richard also still alive yeah some satanic bond that is keeping them alive Unicorn blood. IV happening in two thousand eleven. We also had Jack Holes men who okay uh-huh finished and Yeah Jack Jack Jack Holtzman Elektra records which was like the doors. The band love also Judy Collins He was if INELECTRA continued to be a powerhouse Record label for London sweet. Judy blume is two thousand. Twelve when we're getting into some of the ceremonies you've seen so many and I definitely won't remember unless it's when stacks got tuck dead in two thousand twelve was Don Kirshner who created the monkeys. He was also like kind of in charge of the Brill Building and oh he was a character in beautiful beautiful. The musical vanilla do with efforts someone might even portray more Shuman in beautiful beautiful always more At the songwriters and I believe it might be a secondary character about one of the swing. Chorus members played in at one point. We give which I found out recently that she no they're doing an aretha movie called respect no is did they did they in is going to be aretha. This is good and it's just a lot of the people in this category are in that movie like Jerry. Wexler is played by Marc Maron. Oh my guy so I just have to look at that Ed Murray j just playing Dinah Washington Okay Tate Donovan is playing the first person we talked about. John Hammond Hammond organs. Oh my God Indiana And that's that looks like that's the limited cast-list that I have here next up in twenty thirteen was when we got Lou Adler who you might remember Burnett character from lers Lou Adler produce tapestry on a mama's and the Papa's. Oh Yeah he was definitely in beautiful the musical yeah. Of course course and he's also known for sitting next to Jack. Nicholson courtside de Lakers. Lakers Krista get your cities great cheech and Chong him you might remember that. Yes I do remember that I just know I thought I did I wrote. You're all I remember teaching Chong existing and that was what you were seeing. Okay all right fair enough did they. Do I do remember their speech now. They did a bunch events yes they were a was it about being high Do they do that do did they. Also 2013 they inducted Quincy Jones and in two thousand fourteen. They inducted Andrew. Luke Oldham and Brian Epstein who are managers Oldham did the Stones Epstein Eighteen didn't kill himself Epstein obviously didn't kill himself. Brian Epstein was the Beatles manager and actually went last time. We talked to Seymour Stein. He talked about that about how they've only addicted to managers that they should induct more than he was saying. He was saying he didn't really care much for Brian Epstein. But had they have. If they're going to duck manager's you in depth the Beatles manager but he liked igloo golden the stones manager quite a bit so does to where managers yes and but they weren't like inducted as duo those to know they happened to be. They were just in the same year in a like thematic sense of like ruining duct to huge managers. Gotcha yeah then you might remember or listeners might remember Seymour. Stein was like they should induct more managers. He had a long list. Albert Grossman was one of them. That was Dylan's manager and he had a long list of like like isn't popping off about how they could be advocating for more non-performing. Yeah especially because as we'll see as the years go on we don't see as many new inductees in that category which is a shame. I think they should do it every year. There's to put the damn televised. Although I guess now they do because everything's being televised live but it Geeky. It's okay to keep it short. You have to have a performance but role package. Yeah it can be just do one song. which is what they used to do anyway? So they didn't have in two thousand fifteen. Two Thousand Sixteen is the last time they did this. Category and they inducted a guy named Burt Burns who was a producer and a songwriter. He wrote twist and shout he wrote wrote piece of my heart. This was also a weird conflict of interest at the time because little steven was producing a play about burnt burns life at the time and then another burns earns. Yeah he'll Barron's yeah what was it about what was out burns's life and he wrote to essentially shells I once. He's still alive when he was inducted. No he died young. He was in his thirties when he died. Okay okay so he so stephen trying to drum up a little bit of interest about him for has little centrally and that was the last time we've had a non performer conducting and here. We are four years later. And it's happening again. Jimmy Iodine is my only guess. So they're inducting two more managers Oh okay I don't know any managers so they are going. They are inducting. What people have called the most powerful figure cure in music today definitely not going to be a woman in his? Name's irving as are all. I know that name. He's the one who's got all the power on the non com. Well he's on the board the Rock Hall. He's not in the Phnom come but he's on the board but isn't it like his picks are the ones visit he the Doobie brothers guy. He is the Doobie brothers guy so he almost has had like his own slot on the D list every year. Yeah the as it's like. Who might mix thanked him last year? He represents fleetwood MAC Doobie brothers this year he represents Bon Jovi three twenty eighteen. He represents journey. Oh my in two thousand seventeen. Wow Yeah so it's he has an incredible amount of influence. He has a lot of very. I mean the biggest. His biggest act is the eagles. Oh my God. He plays a huge part in that documentary. I still haven't watched it. There's just not on Netflix. Damn I looked it up because I was like. That'd be Kinda wanted to watch some of it to see some irving stuff. He also when documentary now did to their take on the eagles documentary He's in it. Basically playing himself humor about it at least it seems so yeah. That's that's cool. But he is like a feared figure in music. He's like they say like he's the guy who really should have a book called art of the deal like he actually is a known as an actual dealmaker in the music industry. Like he makes shit happen so so he was. He worked for I believe he worked for Geffen for a little bit then left the an Kinda took the eagles with him and he will he. He managed the eagles heated steely. Dan heated Jimmy Buffett and. I'm sorry I hate to correct you but it's just eagles thank you so much. Kristen thank you. He let came up in Champagne in Illinois. And now he's coming up in Champaign all the damn time but like with like Dan Fogelberg. Reo speedwagon and he was a power manager for a long time and then left for a little bit to become he like was running ticketmaster for a little bit label for a little bit but then he came back to management. Because that's the thing that he knows he's the best at and now he represents Travis Scott Bruno Mars Christina Aguilera. No doubt John Mayer and then he still represents Like I said Advant Halen. Bon Jovi Eagles. All those dudes separate fleetwood Mac and he has the Irving as off management company with his son now now and they are just. They're extremely his son's name. Jeffrey Owl. I believe yeah and I wish he was like lull. IRV Second Second. Yeah and he also I mean like so. He has a majority stake in the Madison Square Garden Group which also runs the forum. So he he's just got his fingers in like this is like with Hollywood shit where it's like. Bundling you know He. He also also like he has his own companies publishing exactly. So he can have a cut of literally every aspect of an artist's output like there touring their publishing their any bookings that they got us as man. I mean it's just like yeah. It's funny but he's also the type of guy they say. Okay who like he can fuck and turn it around for you. He can turn a good way in a great way yet he can make Joe. Walsh was really struggling. And then like the teamed up with Irving and then it was just from there on out. They've been inseparable and like He. He Changed Joe. Walsh is career and he's also one of those guys who's like I can get you out of a contract like are you tied in this thing with your publishing or whatever I will. We're going to sue these people. He's a mogul Mogo at the the heart of gold. He's also five three hell. Yeah players very much like the the you know. He's like the Napoleon of Jimmy Hours. Oh is in the valley. There's a there's a store in the valley called Jimmy House a you. It is a store for men five eight and under and they have a very weird weird tagline on painted on the side of their building and it says what are you waiting for a growth spurt. It's rude it is not nice okay. So the irving as is off again. so He's like on the board he's like involved with the Rock Hall. I love that he's five three. That's fucking tight as hell but it's a weird amount of like giving the award to yourself in a sense. 'cause he's involved with the hall. He's not on the non com he. I'm sure he didn't make the decision but he is like a power player. Also responsible for getting bond fucking Jovian the Goddamn I think so. Yeah I mean. He's one of a few people but he's is not benevolent. Maybe soon he'll work to get no doubt in. So maybe that'll be great. No doubt will get in. I'm not worried that they won't get in right but he's the one already eligible. He might be the one to clear the path a little bit he also he used to represent the goes back in the eighties for Fox Sake. Maybe there's your power for good. He's over trying to get bombed stupid. Jovi in the goal frequent goes need to get a rep them anymore but he should. It's really. You should advocate for them. He had a connection with them. Now there's another manager who's being inducted this year. whose name is Jon Landau? Oh Yeah I know who that is wait do I you should yeah so Jon Landau is Bruce Springsteen's manager he also at Ed. One point worked with Shania Twain and he is also he was also a record producer he produced something. EMC Five stuff. Some Jackson Browne stuff But really he is is Bruce's guy. He was also initially one of the first rolling stone writers. He was a journalist for a long time wrote for the crowd daddy among other publications that covered rock and roll music He wrote he's now as crawdads. He's still around. You know the if you go down to the by you you might be able to. He has he has a very famous thing that he wrote where he said. I've seen rock and roll future. And it's Bruce springsteen and he wrote it about Bruce Before Bruce was anybody and that kind of connected him with Bruce and then he left journalism to he helped produce born to run run and then he just became bruce right hand man his manager and like the guy that has been with Bruce for this whole run. That's cool. I like that kind of loyalty to get a little interesting talked. About how irving. It's like giving it to yourself Jon. Landau was on on epsteins plane. Jon Landau runs the nominating committee. Oh come on and in. So that's why you've heard his name before because I brought it up many times before he's the guy who's in charge of the nominating committee. No this is when you have have to just kind of like wait until you retire and then let them give it to you like that's what you do. That is the classy way to be so I mean he. I think he has claimed claimed. And it's probably true. But there's there's some conflicts here. He's claimed he had nothing to do with. The selection of him being inducted but like the people who are in charge selecting you for induction work for you. You know what I mean. So it's like there. Is that conflict so they're giving. They're giving the award this year. To Irving as off Jon Landau two major players in the rock and Roll Hall of fame behind the scenes. Essentially giving it a word to itself because they've done such a great job slap on the back we. Here's the deal. Bruce will definitely give the speech for Landau and I bet Don Henley. We'll do it for off. But will bruce give it to them on. Oh give his speech on his guitar. I'm like you know on just like it's that's neat. That'll be good for some people. You'll be very excited about that. I think it's great. It's fine I don't care at all like like that's nice for them. Yeah it's weird. It was it was a surprise to see that on the list of inductees for twenty twenty. I love to imagine engine Jon Landau pretended to be surprised. Me You Guy Acecomm lives. Who did this come on? Who did this says? I swear I said don't do it. I said don't don't give me the award but they did. Oh God I just have the best staff the greatest staff in in the world but yeah. That's it so there you go that that fully rounds out the class of twenty twenty why. It's so funny. This has been public information. I was like I wonder if Kristen saw. Aw It's like there's no way there's absolutely no way dark and it wouldn't even have to say nope especially because I've been off twitter for over a month now and it has been then. Yeah I'll go on there occasionally like onto the website twitter dot com laptop. I don't have the APP on Mike von Sometimes if somebody tweets at me. I'll get a toxin telling me that I'll go look and speaking of tweeting you can. Of course tweet at us at rock hall pod D- You can also email us. Rocco pod at G. L. Dot Com where Elsa Rock Hall pod on Instagram. Kristen your case that across all platforms. That is correct. Will you can and follow me on twitter at Joe Cage. Okay on Instagram at joke. Hey why don't you do favor. Subscribe to US and Apple. PODCAST that rate in review US give us five stars only would also love that. 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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Revisiting Nine Inch Nails with Daphne Carr

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Revisiting Nine Inch Nails with Daphne Carr

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water election days. Now. Biggest Swain. Here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology John, are you registered to vote? I know I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status, go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election. Day. At Headcount Dot Org, you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this, but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone. Should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Jab. Brain from new. Star. I everybody welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame I'm your host Joke Zala I know entirely too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame, and this is about the only time of year or that even a little bit matters with me as always via zoom chat is my co host who may be is hitting an all time low of caring about the hall of fame. It's kristen centered. Hello. Yeah. You know I could be back to pre pod levels of how little I give a shit about the rock and roll. Holland. Other things on your mind maybe. Yeah, we really crested. Riding. High at one point and I really cared a lot and I truly truly do not right now you're back down. You've lost all information. You may have learned in the past two years in the clean slate Lord Welling. Heroin go. But with us today, I'm very excited to have this person an activist scholar. A Northeast Ohio in this, this makes two weeks in a row where we have someone from that area wrote the thirty three and a third on nine inch nails is pretty hate machine Daphne car I. Everybody I am happy to be here and I'm GonNa be right in the middle of these two wonderful people loving the rock hall but also not really having the spoons to care about it. spoons. Probably, the right way to be I'd say somewhere in the middle so we have to have to ask you as someone so you're from youngstown which is close enough to to Cleveland and in Ohio I feel like that's you know that's probably the closest like Cool Museum destination I'm sorry I called it cool but I just want to get your Thoughts on the Iraq Hall of fame and growing up in that area. Yes, I, mean. It was definitely growing up. Such an incredible thing to hear about it opening to stay. Well first of all, why Cleveland you know I knew even at the time because I was music nerd even as a kid what the objective reason but it just seemed implausible and silly and counterproductive for them to put it in Cleveland. You know especially at the time they you know the mistake on the lake was not anywhere near as a destination as it is. Now in terms of any kind of terrorism or the mistake on the lake way I'm guessing is a stadium. That's just the city. This city is known as the mistake on the lake. Jam. Ice Old an I love it. Yeah. Ohio ends have a real. Deep love of kind of wearing the badge of shame and so they'll just wear it very proudly. You know we're proud of our teams that sock or proud of musicians who fail the gym traffic kit here you know who was elected after he went to prison. These are these are. From Chicago. You know we know all about blowing invention. You know we got we got a whole bunch of dummy politicians and we're on the lake, but we would never call ourselves mistake on the lake. No Chicago's too proud. Absolutely. Yeah. On the lake is like Gary. But so I was I think in high school, we went on a field trip to the Rocker Hall of fame which I thought was uniquely cool. Awesome thing to do you know an hour and a half mile bus ride and I was thinking about it when I was thinking about this, while should probably tell the story but I definitely remember it was with my buddy Tom and had the Beatles exhibit and he decided it would be a really fantastic idea to drop acid and just experienced exhibit as it definitely should be experienced. In it's true. PSYCHEDELIC SPLENDOR BUT PSYCHEDELICS and. Security guards and sterile environments don't actually go together very well. So we got about a third of the way through before he realized that you know sitting on a concrete outside looking at the clouds with much better. Much later to experience the Beatles, might we did we did manage to see a little bit of of the material upside and felt was living up the true spirit of the sixties by being a little too neighbor to engage with this thing, and it's a sterile environment. Did you have to leave the museum with him as like a chaperone in a sense to go down and make sure he was okay and be of good friend Yeah. Definitely. He started just deciding that he wanted to pour water out of his water bottle onto the floor and I. Thought this could be an escalation that could cause people to realize what was. Happening at that point, you thought the rock and Roll Hall of fame as a concept was cool. Are the various it was cool for school trip but I know people who love music have conflicting feelings about. Canonization in general. But the idea of this museum in inducting people well, I should say, and I, know that you've had other guests on the show who might be in the same campus me but I have also worked at the experience music project. So I'm a bit of a Music Museum nerd I really loved them as a way of experiencing history even though because it's music, it's time based art. It's really hard to make that into a compelling storyline in a physical space. I always wanted the rock hall to be a fantastic wonderful place to experience music music history but I always felt that you know it's clear what I'm not a boomer and that if you're not a boomer that. Really. Take your right out of the old rock. Hall Experience Yeah. Oh two strikes. Yeah I'm and I'm you know an anti-racist and so all sorry. So so you get you get up there and and you know I like you guys. You know we grew up with punk as something that was always already part of our blood. So the kind of Hagiography that goes on in the Rock Hall always feels a little bit. Gross relative to the way that the raw experience music project. For instance, it really focuses on the fandom and the experience of being part of a culture rather than just a person. Where is the experience music project? Isn't Seattle that it's like it used to be called the pop museum or is that a separate? Oh, it's gone through a bunch of different names. So it was like Paul. Allen's pet project where he just bought all this Jimi Hendrix stuff and like I'm GonNa, make a museum for this but then they're like, Hey, you know. Maybe there should be another musician in the. Museum. and. So So they collected a lot of really cool Seattle stuff. You know all these great old are be bands and early punk and all through the contemporary time. But really built it around the idea of youthful energetic experience of loving music and know Frank Geary building, which is an absurd building because it's very hard to hang square objects onto round walls. It's almost impossible to do working. So working there is like Oh. There's actually no room to hang anything here. This is bizarre but so I always wanted to work at the Rock Hall, but I ended up at experienced user project because I was a Protege of an powers and empowers was in curatorial at the time and her husband Eric Weiss Bard was the head of. Education there? So that's how I got to know. That side of curatorial music museums and a lot of the folks that were at that museum had come from the Rock Hall 'cause it's a small world. Those museums? Nashville Country Museum now Grammy Museum would you say that EMT was more is more US oriented more grunge oriented in it feels like you know though the rock call museum feels more boomer sixties, Orion to well I. Think it's a bunch of different things. One of them is that the museum was built at a time when the kind of hands on idea became more mainstream and museums in general so. the centerpiece of the museum is that you can go into the space and and play along with what kids count called. The stems work the tracks of a song. They'll have the individual tracks and you can play the guitar over it, which before everyone had access to that kind of stuff was was really cool. This is really gets hard hero world that we're yes and was the officially licensed. Pre Mix down version of wild horses by the rolling stones or something and you can. Mute over it and really get a sense of what it's like to play in that space and so there are a lot of ways that it really. It's like you know our band could be your life story of breaking, breaking down the barrier between the stage and the audience and I think they tried to do a nice mix of that along with celebrating people who became. Celebrities, whereas an I, that that's part of the punk generation and the generation and the world we lived on until I don't know Britney Spears and sink took it back into that super celebrity pop side and the Rock Hall just kind of always stayed the stayed there. It's always been a rock space. Yeah. Like well, what about how many capes did you know the experience music? Rock Hall has a lot of Capes got a lot of capes. They got a lot of robes and they've got a lot of letters behind glass. Do you pay or have you paid attention to the Rock Hall Induction Ceremonies at all I have to say that I pay attention to the voting and I pay attention to everything up to the actual day and then the day of. Unless on assignment. On a day off, you know those those gigs are not for me superfund to just watch that stuff because it's tedious bloviating. Or my perspective so I like to see the politics behind it and how currents change in the way that the generations of voters shift. slightly. Incrementally incrementally rate I mean, but it's it's crazy to me that depeche mode is in this year along with front resume like what an absurd thing that they would be. Yeah it's so wild. And craft work is still not in you know. So Yeah. The the order of things is completely out of whack in you Kinda just got to accept the victories went when they come if they come exactly. Yeah. So I I was. A lover, the underdog. So I most excited when seems like somebody's GonNa make it is there I mean obviously no we're going to talk about nine inch nails today and you know old probably hit on like depeche mode and things in that same vein. Is there a band that you have either like really wanted to see get in or a band that you feel is like really snubbed while I mean in general I would love there to be parody of women artists right and when you know when you're looking at the criteria, they presuppose a lot of things that made it very hard for women to achieve those goals how it's much harder to become commercially. Successful musician and also Iraq Person Right? Like people are really coming down on the Whitney Houston induction because she wasn't a rock musician but women in rock didn't make that kind of money ever. You know maybe Courtney love may be heart, but they're certainly never going to be as financially successful because they were never promoted or given same opportunities. Yeah and do you weren't in love will ever be on the ballot you think I would say absolute skeptical like ten out of ten absolutely not I. Just just knowing who is creating the ballot. I think it would need a seismic shift in the makeup of the Nominating Committee for their consideration decides not accept a. Fan Of Women Assholes, right. It's not very often that you get women in positions of power who are purposefully ugly perk of purposely rude I. Love Bitten Hitler's early career because she'd get on stage she was grotesque. She was rolling around in absurd makeup pulling her hair out doing all kinds of things that are just not sexy at all and Courtney love had her moments but she's also a grotesque person and she's not lovely but she's really good her what she did but she turned a lot of people off they're very fucking rock and roll and I think that that's the thing you know we always get into this what is rock and what why is it the rock and Roll Hall of fame? Is it the Music Hall of fame now like denigrated out what you know what does it mean? It's like someone who is without a doubt very rock and roll is Courtney love there is no denying that. Third. Honora as they deal with a lot of women, they suddenly try to change the the goalposts on genre. But yeah, with someone like you can't really do that and she was enormously successful and influential, and for a decade at least on the cover of location I as a musician and then as A. Actress in a style icon and then sort of receded but like you guys mentioned. Last week you're talking about Dave Grohl is sort of I don't know Santa Claus figure rate who can never do anything. As long as he's as he's there, she's not. You'll fight pretty hard. Against her and as much as off Kurt himself was quite feminist. It is still an old boys club and just because they were grunge and cool and alternative doesn't mean they didn't inherit all that garbage in garbage I don't see getting inducted either. Wow Willing I played Joe. That big big boat. Well named garbage was like such I mean do you think the cranberries could get in I think the cranberries could get in? Maybe honestly I would garbage you. Had A lot of radio singles more than I'd say whole did I think the legacy of whole maybe castle longer shadow but the look at kind of the numbers with garbage there's a lot of recognizable songs from that era and you know they had a lot of all rock radio put. None none of the band that I like from that time wherever getting in and it's really Now I'm getting that now I'm getting even more annoyed. I'm always annoyed always mad I. Never I'm happy about almost anything that's going on the stupid wrong call, and now I'm even more angry but I think. There are some bands that were so important and that also way for like other people and it's just there isn't any good fucking representation. There still isn't I'm mad and I'm like slater will never get in fucking I think though. At all of all of those bands because they never sold, they sold a lot of records for indie bands but they didn't ever bump the needle at all in terms of mainstream success command bikini kill like they'll never get like none of those bands that I care about we'll get in that area I don't care about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Yeah. You know what they do is they dangle hope which I think is what keeps a Lotta people on the line, which is that well sleater Kinney? Isn't in but who's to say they they couldn't be. Time in history but who's to say it couldn't happen you know and that's true in. As the institution evolves, it hopefully evolves really it's possible. Well, I'm just thinking about like any bands from the nineties that were like fronted by women or had women in them. Doubt Tori Amos Tori Amos isn't in nor is Kate Bush. Look Bushes such a like one of the guys girl who is the exception to every rule because she was. Off Tour and she did all these crazy conceptual records. So she should by even the most stringent obnoxious standards of set her like classic rock in they're more. sentiment. British Depeche Depeche Oh. Yeah and we've had such a British class. Has. Eastern years have been very very British but I mean like I think like from the nineties women no doubt is basically the only band can think of that and I think so solo artist like. Lantis all Atlanta's. But Hurry. So you you wrote. The thirty three and a third, which is for people who don't know that this series each installment is about a different album and yours is about his debut pretty hate machine and you know it's not just a a typical, some thirty three and thirds are about the making of the album. But what's interesting I think about the series is that it? Can, it views the music through a lot of different lenses, different angles and looking at it from different contexts yours I read it and enjoyed it quite a bit i. I would like to know what was your process kind of getting to where you decided you wanted to write about this I feel like a thirty three to third as sort of the third grade writing prompt that you get like. If I could care about one record for a year it would be slink you know and then. You. If. You're anyone do third grade teacher. Yeah. Yeah. But anything that you do when you. Have a big empty blank like that. You have to save yourself. You know what? What do I actually? WanNa spend in Europe my life thinking about because if I make the wrong choice, I am going to be trapped in hell and so there were two other books that I wanNA talk about about writing one of which was talking heads seventy seven mostly because I wanted to go hang out by Bon Jovi's punk who was the recruiting engineer for to record with Elvis and hated them and just thought they were the worst band over and the other one was smashing pumpkins Siamese stream and I don't know how much you guys have talked about Billy Corgan on the radio but. I can't imagine he comes be the hate mail and crazy shit that I would have gotten from both him and his fans forcing literally anything negative and although I do love which vague I I opted for rings book about Trent and. At the time I pitched the story, it was not very cool to like Trent. He had sort of come through his first, the entire wave of his musicianship as a the pop songwriter started doing all these kind of weird Esoteric Eric City sounding records that you know only the hards like we're like, okay this this is kind of over and then he basically got sober and decided to become a film musician. So when I told people that I was working on this book, they wow I washed up. That's nineties so hot topic. All of these corny things what do you even have to say about him and of course, there was tons of urban legends and things about who he was. But when you start to really poke through to who he was bit conditions by which he put that record together and made the early part of his career, it's a really compelling story. So I got really excited about that part of it, and then I got really excited about the part was that was. Rest or grew up forty minutes from where I did and I played the piano and he played the piano and I know people who got tattoos at the same tattoo parlors a sister you know the the space between his and credible celebrity and my life was small and some on some level you know and so I wanted to sort of look at that distance as a kind of cultural artifact. You know people's obsession with the band and how desperate they want to be to be close. To somebody and how they an absence of actually having that connection that the kind of stories they tell themselves and how they interact with the music and the shows, and whatever chachis they get try to complete that circle of fandom and erotic attraction and all the other feelings people have about a musician. So that's how I kind of came into the idea of interviewing fans who really some level made a kind of moral and emotional lives for themselves around the world view of nine inch nails. At least for duration at their lives, some of them had moved past it but at the time were able to reflect on on what it meant to be superfan and how. Did you write the book. The book came out in two thousand eleven. I took a took a lot longer than shut up. A. Does. Yeah I. Mean I'M NOT GONNA. Lie To you I mentioned you guys that. Since the book out a been interviewed about a bunch of different things with the book but. The two main things that always come up are angry white men and politics which we have come to see us a huge world. Shaking, issue and the subset of that which is in cell culture and it was definitely present although when I was doing the research and two, thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, nine. There was no such terms in cell. But I was going to do these interviews with these folks and you know I'm a journalism degree of interviewed. A lot of people have done a lot of awkward and difficult interviews but I did feel actually afraid several times because the folks were so unused to talking to women as sort of resentful of the whole idea of women so. It was a lot. You know and I it was frankly the first time in my life that I just had somebody. Talk about women in the third person as if I was not one of them and how they hate the mental trance music help affirm to them in some way that women were terrible negative Eagle Eagle People decision to be thought of. US. Human I don't. Yeah I don't like it either. Say I don't like. It's not the can of worms I thought it was. In book is told then through the prism of the people who became, it's the album's like big. Fans or like the people who felt that they related or understood it. Three locations where I found interview subjects, one was mercer pins, which is the town where Trent grew up won was Cleveland Ohio, which is the town where the album was created and the third was Youngstown, which is where the author of the book was created in Youngstown. Half way between Cleveland and Mercer on the highway. So it's called the buckle of the rust belt and all three of the city is very much linked by post-industrial economic despair and loss of jobs and opportunities through the time when Trent was born to now. So, looking at basically kids men who if Trent had not successful, he might have been himself and the kinds of people that would have been his friends and the and the kind. Of Despair from which some of these lyrics came from Kennedy the end of the American industrial activity. Many in America, fully fully past the end to the point where these cities have been devastated by those industries leaving and they're who are left behind, and so it's really interesting because a lot of this book is kind of an oral history like it's what the people were saying in the interviews in their own words and. That connection of where they're from and what they experience, and often you know there are some who are like, yeah I remember when Trent, was fooling around in these cynthia new wave bands before nine inch nails started. So there's that really or like I he comes into my record store or whatever. So there's this is deep connection both the music, but also to the man. It's very interesting because tons like also there's like an exploration of toxic masculinity of the people view this through in the people that I knew growing up who really were into nineish nails were like. A queer. Goths and so it's like it's a just another side to it that I maybe be even engaged with that much or not. Well. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely queer. Goth kids I was one of them and you know. I write about a little bit in the beginning of this idea that Trans Gender play and. Sexuality and just kind of open perversity. Part of the fact that it was happening in very mainstream place rated was not you know it wasn't industrial music that you were finding in the coolest record store but you know when scarcely still existed where you have to dig through pay import prices to hear joy division or something this is coming out on a major label. Oh. Yeah. Being played on the radio and here's somebody and you know ankle or elbow length fetish gloves stroking microphone licking it you know and. Do you want to be the microphone deal. Guy You know love stupid clubs. Ask Yourself Yeah and it. was really really open to for that I think and it was meant to be open and he definitely played with a lot of amazing. Use. A lot of amazing artists who came out of that generation of transgressive queer. Are you know from the books coil and throbbing Gristle and all the people who are doing that stuff a generation earlier? We've talked about on this show before just kind of when talking about nine inch nails in just as a concept like the. The fact that there was a song with the lyrics I wanNA fuck you like an animal that was played on the radio. All, the time. Now just life after ten PM on like. Secret Radio Show. But like you could be in the car with your parents and the alternative radio station is on and you know the last song was by the toadies and the next song is I want to fuck you like an animal. That's Wild that it went mainstream that like nine inch nails went mainstream is. A crazy anomaly in my opinion I can't think like another band that ever did that just is such a wild thing in Michael, yeah I mean. If a really weird moment in the history of of Pop Music and rock music and I think that's why it's fascinating that depeche mode coming in this year because. If Nirvana. Hadn't happened. Peche would've been a really big deal in the US and the human ninety straight bigger than they were. They were important but they were nowhere near as important as they could have been if there wasn't this disco nineties version of disco sucks that happened right Oh. Thank God the. Straight guys with guitars came back in. You know there's nothing what we want less than Martin Gore and his like cute little like leather harness thing. ballads and we don't know who's singing them to write and there was so much of that. That was poised to really be the mainstream of American. Post new, wave. Danceable rock tinged stuff that I think a lot of alternative rock pushed out of the way you know but definitely was. Part of the bit of it that gut through right and it's it's an is a continuous line of groove based dance oriented music by White folks that got rebranded in all different genres from industrial to techno two. Electron. You know all through the nineties. I'm sure you remember they kept pushing them going to be orbital and all these bands we're going to be. The future of everything eminem comes out and says. Nobody listens to techno and it's like. But but but it's a cycle and we keep pushing pushing, and now we have basically every R&B and Hip Hop Song. It's just like down Tampa based music you know. Why don't we take a quick break and when we come back, we will, of course, have a lot more to talk about. So we'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. We'll be at a nice break. We hope over your break you hydrated yourself because you know what guys it's important. It's it's hot out there I know it's October but. Summer doesn't end anymore. Brought that upon ourselves. Shirley don't. Yeah. So we talk we hot topic came up very briefly, but it plays a major part in your book and I I really thought you meant like hot topic came up and was like insoles of going back into it. Literally hot topic and how the kind of explosion of the brand. Coincided with the explosion of nine inch nails and they kind of fed into each other were you can't even really determine where it begins where it ends like was was nine inch nails. So popular that hot topic then it was you know like, where does it? But. You know I thought you knew you can speak to it because you did the did the Research Stephanie Yeah I became about hot topics docker, which was a lot of fun. Hot Topic is incorporated in city of industry. You know where that is in California which is one of these weird town that has like twelve thousand corporations but only a thousand residents. And they have this weird like free trade zones, you can fly stock into it and it does not pay tariffs on it until you get out of the city. So it's a Shell Corporation of California. It's amazing. The inland empire it's it's really fascinating and and I was completely fascinated by the entire. Way that that that type of industry works and hot topic is completely based on Kinda riding the wave of what thirteen year olds find to be transgressive and finding a way to sanitize at enough to sell it in all. End was based on the sort of melrose style had shop slash cool surf shop type places in the eighties, but obviously meant to be a chain, and so they needed things that were nationally important and of course, the heavier generic sets of things like wicca or. Rainbow. Pride. Rings or what have you? You know that were coming in as their baseline but the main thing is is branded apparel and it has to be something that is got national and international distribution so that kids everywhere will know about NBA interested and rape from the Gecko nine inch nails was one of their major. sets of t shirts and Trent talks. A lot has talked a lot in his Co. graphic designers and art directors to the years have been very forward about their. Understanding of and their desire to brand the band with good design both the logo from the get go being a corporate logo and the packaging and the. Aesthetic of that, they do from their lighting to the style, the packaging. Being you know you look at it from far need no that's a nine inch nails record. Write a Scott Texture it's got. Grime to it you know it's not gonNA be they're not gonNA put out a disco record rate and so. So. It really played in wealth per you know that transition from. Skate, punk culture and Southern California pop punk stuff to the ninety s sort of Mall Punk Mall Goth saying which then turned after my generation I don't know how old you guys are but until like mall. Imo and scene music the kind of my chemical romance shove and then the Kinda lost the plot when twilight game because. twilights like Konica but also kind of question and so and now it's like weird anime stuff that I don't understand. Pickle Rick? Has, become Spencer's gifts essentially like it doesn't have an identity of trends. I mean, it doesn't really have transgressive identity anymore it did I remember when hot topic I opened being like. Can you go in there so Yeah. You know or like people taking their parents into hot topic to buy them things the Lille rock and roll thing that you could ever do. We talk about this intense to the concept of logos and branding. Something that just occurred to me as man Nyman, snails is going to get a nice big area on the plaque. At at the museum where they put all the signatures and everything and they, they will utilize the logo and sometimes it's sad when a ban doesn't have a logo or it's just a solo artist. There's never a logo I. Like Times new Roman Font Whitney Houston and then. Put the whole yellow. Wake. Facial cool onto it like they do. It's pretty cool. It really is advantageous for real estate on the plaque to have a weight. So this is the one in that creepy pyramid at the top that you have to take the escalator to is that what you're talking about? It's yeah it's at the top and you can walk through in see year by year with the with the signatures of everybody, and then you know there's little stations where you can. You can put on headphones and. Yeah pick on a touchscreen. Kiosks isn't it is the voting kiosks or a newer thing from the past few years to get. Basically in a in a floor, there's emperors and vote happening right now. Like well, the museums open. Up and. It's like twenty five percent capacity. So there must be, they must be doing I. Don't know how much they're encouraging people to touch screens right now but that's probably it's likely. Away, your risk covid to get that vote in for whatever you know Eddie van Halen Solo like people. were. Freddie Mercury so. I just like now the somebody's in their writing and again Palin. So the voting kiosk is a disaster. Will that what you said makes me think about at one point when they announced that nine inch nails were being inducted. It was Trent Reisner. But since then an actually relatively recently, they have changed course in it. All reports are that it was Trent decision to include a bunch of band members which I would say is pretty controversial move because they feel like it's General knowledge that nine inch nails is basically at Trent resonator Solo project. Well, I mean the first pre hate machine I think in the liner notes that sets Nineish is trends ner rating in it's discernible in that in that timeline of his biggest idle at that time was prince and Prince. was very adamantly you know I'm the guy who does all the stuff and I play the drums and I record everything and I think at that time when he was young. He was pretty cocky about the fact that he didn't need other people to give him input on to how the Song Treaty written or even how they're mix I knew we a lot of problems with the first record going over to the UK and working with like Adrian Sherwood, and all these other people who were good engineers you know and he don't want to have equal relationship with them but I think being a borderline stalker over the course of reading this book I. I kinda came to realize he really did grow up you know and it's something that it's always shocking when I see him. On stage say you know twenty three years on my way to hell? You know it's so angry raising his fist was like man you're like forty seven cute kids. Well You don't really need to be doing this type of stuff anymore, and I think that adding those guys who've been and the back half of his career like really really influential and supportive of him I think is is really respect a really respectful move and I'm really glad that he did it because you know in the nineties they just kind of talk through musicians you know but I also think that that was a consequence of them all being on a lot of substances and now that they're not, they can actually realize maybe it's a good idea to not burn bridges all the time. Yeah there you go. There was a documentary that's not great but it has some good things in it called hired guns and it's about studio musicians in touring musicians, and they talked to Richard Patrick who was in nine inch nails, and then left to start the band filter or maybe he didn't even know saying he left is very it's kind of a diplomatic way to say he was probably just all. Trent. was done with him and he talks about how Trent was not very kind to him when he was when he was a touring musician and like he wasn't even allowed to like sleep in like the same like Nice places that Trenton it was just he was treated like like a hired gun he was treated like someone who wasn't part of the band he was essentially a mercenary, right? And it's you know you feel bad for him and the worst part is he talks about when he started filter, he's like so nice started filter and then I had people who were touring with me and so then I got to treat them like shit like trended. Owe great like come on. Go bully the freshmen have you learned The cycle of abuse. And I thought I thought of all of. Just about mommy issues but maybe there are tons of daddy issues too. But you seem to think that the him including the other members is. A symbol of. Growth in maturity, which I think is is nice. Why did I mean look the list of people who he has worked with over the years as much lower than that? You know he definitely had picked the people he doesn't hate. Yeah it's a lot of the people that are that are still with him right now. I mean. I. Think the people that aren't with him anymore. Anna Chris Brennan which makes the most sense because he was on pretty hate machine and downward spiral it kind of feels like well, if you're on those albums like it's hard to those are the two. Big Class I mean they were friends that was that was a not just a music relationship that was a friendship you know from the from the very beginning. And then Danny Lonner is being inducted as well. Yeah. But then the other dudes I mean, we've got the youngest inductee of all time Alan Rubin who joined in two thousand nine he's getting I was getting called up. Funny. He is I think thirty two, I would love it if. God Yeah I. Mean It is. Look at those pictures of Trent over the years. He definitely only let's a few people into his inner circle and they're all men. You know every picture just a bunch of white guys crowded around a console noting out on whatever they're doing and you know a lot of times people say, Oh, do you would you? Would you like to write a longer book about Trenton? Really think that I don't know that he would open up to a woman honestly and this way. Hey, by seat when I see him doing interviews with men who are really tech savvy really going into the the musicianship part of it. Is. At home a comfortable and safe and I'm a musician I'm have the technical prowess that can do the electrical talk but I don't see him as somebody who probably has a lot of female friends. Yeah. Maybe not. Is a red flag. Don't like that now like we don't know who is inducting him but it appears that it is going to be women based on the list and we we we've sorted it out and try to connect lines as as best we could. Salting and strange for miley Cyrus to be inducting have. That can't be real. You know. She it might not be here but I don't see who else from that list it seems like either St. Vincent or Miley Cyrus when I look at that list because I can draw lines from them to all the other artists. and. That seems to be I mean Miley the connection and and we can talk about this a little bit the the Black Mirror episode where she plays. Else did she duck she if you Joan Jett John J it's like fucking not fair like. Not Fair. I mean I don't hate Miley Cyrus, I, really don't I think it's okay to be able to reinvent yourself. It's just the. I think because maybe of my age I, am really put off by be bold face commercialism of it. This is no longer popular To this. Absolutely. It feels like it lacks integrity like I'm just like I. Pop Star it feels very inauthentic to me and I don't like it. I don't I don't despise Miley Cyrus I think also like she's become easy to hate on or whatever, and easy target has a lot of young women are an easy target and I think you know like that kind of thing like we really have done put Madonna through it and all that Shit. But like I think that that's what I'm responding to. I am like turned off by Miley Cyrus I think I'm like Are you you're like inauthentic I, composer shots at hot. Topic. She's imposer jobs on topic God. And so it bums me out when she gets proximity to people that I think are authentic and cool, and then it makes me wonder it's just like well, if all these people are giving her a pass Joan Jett thinks she's cool. It's I. Think like Steve Next thing she's cool. A lot of people think she's cool and maybe if Trent are also like surname Mike I'm curious about that. What does that make sense to me Chris? I agree well, I agree and disagree with. You I agree with you inasmuch as it doesn't make sense for Trent Trent I mean he's his the seventies dude and as much as he makes concept albums you know you don't sit down like he has popped hits accidentally but he makes albums and that is a totally different hero and one that he is in genuflect to somebody like Rutledge John. Waters I think it would be really appropriate for somebody from in Floyd to dot Roger Waters Roger I'm like Jerry Jones Robbie. Be. Better. Yeah. No Roger Waters or you know somebody who somebody who did The concept record as a genre who could understand that's what Trent was doing, and the fact that he was a pop star is sort of incidental to that and Miley Cyrus. You know she does make conceptually interesting pop music at the unit of the song, but she's not a conceptual. Album out west and assisted different. It's a different era has a different set of rules. And I do. Yes is for sure. Yeah. The trucks album instrumental wiz. Yeah. She definitely is somebody who takes the same sort of conceptual space as Trent. thinking. About does Trent how was he influential and I think he was influential in a lot of ways but I don't think his musical influence was very successful. In fact, I think almost everyone who tried to him made garbage like horrible new metal crap rate but I do think musicians who looked at what he did said Oh I can you know I don't need to have a full band onstage I can just be dramatic and have lights and you know My own self and do whatever else I need and rake is concept records that are really weird. You know which is which is very their saints as well. I mean right saw her up a year ago and it was just like her and her guitar the rest of the band was not on stage for the freshly act. Yeah. So I think that that makes a lot more sense but you're as we as we discovered last week Maroon five to to cover of. I don't I'll shut my computer. I'll shut my computer right now I'll. ream restart will restart WHO's the We I mean, we technically don't know. We also don't know how these inductions are going to go down in this new format, right like you like you said, kristen maybe Miley Cyrus just on the list. So they can clear that clip from Black Mirror they're probably just gonNa, show the clip. But. You know the Adam Levine thing reminds me. We were talking about earlier that closer was possibly their biggest selling hit. But that song was always a Frat boy song. You know when you would hear people singing for like Oh my God here comes the date rape crew writing just WanNa move far away from as possible from it it's not it. It lived a life of its own. That was the intent assists of what the band artists all about. So Idea Adam Levine singing that song is not transgressive. It's just like the rape culture stuff that none of us really want to be associated with. Tattoos, but he's a terrible dancer. And that's the ultimate crime. Do you think that I mean we were thinking about you know performances in this weird new format for the induction because it's obviously not gonna be live it's going to be pre filmed and nine inch nails might be the most equipped to do a performance from you know a studio or a like weird basement type venue. Do you think that could play out in could be satisfied? I really haven't thought of thinking about FDA twigs and how she has those amazing videos of herself just in a room. Like singing ourselves, which is awesome. Amazing. Dancer which. Is Not you know. So much of his. Stage presence is about his energy because he's not he doesn't move around very much. So I I don't I don't know it'll be interesting I think that they will probably rely on some elements of. Lighting Tech to make it. More interesting. I think you know. I'll happily arrangement that's not not the traditional one because the frenetic punched in the face version of their life set it would be really hollow I. Now all I WanNa hear is a Saint Vincent cover of closer and I can hear in my head would sound nine like i. want to hear that song so badly, I would. I think she would just nail it and I would really really really like to hear it. There presumably with you know half the inductees this year not being alive presumably will be some tribute performances but I'm curious how they will navigate that with artists who are alive and able to. Imagine I think it would also be an amazing duet two with the two of them. It could really be fucking cool. But you know Cova being what it is and also him being one of the few alive people I don't imagine they're gonNA be having a lot of tribute tribute performances. Yeah but I'm you know we talked about his maturity over time and his? The becoming a little maybe a little more warm and that is reflected in his attitude with the rock and Roll Hall of fame. You know he was nominated in two thousand fifteen, his first year of eligibility and he was very public about like. Fuck that I'm not I mean this is even between fifteen that's not that long ago but he was like you know eat my shit I don't care about the hall of fame and then Winnie inducted the the cure last year he was really taken by it, and now is I don't want to necessarily Iraq Hall Stan but he's like definitely playing ball and I think that's probably why they let him include his other bandmates is because he's been pretty easy to work with and you know has a good relationship with them now and I don't know that I, mean, kiss when they were. Inducted they wanted other members that the hall more less said No. But I think if you play ball and it seems like he is he was able to get his buddies in there on. He's very pro Cleveland I remember that from when he was inducting the cure, me say a bunch of stuff about Cleveland Yeah. He did. You know that's one thing that we are missing out on is the meaningful induction Cleveland which you don't get with a lot of the inductees lot of them seem like they were dragged to Cleveland to via the induction, but it would've Matt will be Jay Z. here. But it really it would have it would have meant something and it does mean something because that's where he he started his career as a musician and I think he there were also reports that he was planning on being there for the whole week because they do things leading up to the induction that he would've been dropping in at places in doing events for the induction week in don't get that. That's really too bad. Yeah. I mean he definitely has has. For a long time with starting all of his tours out of Cleveland and really always making it a big deal doing special surprise shows with at the radio station and other smaller venues. For fans you definitely remember it came from you know and appreciate it all that. Definitely, you know someone like Lucky Pierre who was one of the people he considered to be his total influences kind of like David Bowie of Cleveland in the seventy s you know he he's spent a lot of time promoting and helping some of the artists who came out of that area and trying to lift them up to even though I mean one of the things when I was interviewing folks from the area, they always said it's kind of a cliche but. It's interesting to think about Started in Cleveland but he never had his desires to be a Cleveland band like they knew from the Gecko. He just he wanted to tour nationally and he was not interested in being part of a scene or like getting involved with any of the kind of. Local politics of venues or anything like that. He was immediately just like is on the price. It worked it worked. Now wait. So I don't know anything about his trajectory or like how it happened that did like you was just kind of like a bedroom. Playing all the stuff doing it all himself. And then somebody heard it in bought it. He's. He he he moved to the city and started joining. You know back in the day Joe I don't know if your your family to these kinds of things but everybody in Ohio and Pennsylvania would go up to Lake Eerie on the summer and just get shit faced at at beach ours and they would have these big open outdoor venues where. Live bands with play top forty hits. Dj's they had lions and it was a really big thing and so you can make a lot of money doing that drinking age was eighteen and that's where Trent got his start was playing keyboards and backups and all the band. So he learned every single pop song of the nineteen eighty s to be able to play on command which I think is really it's one of the reasons he was never an industrial musician because he knew how to write a hook and he wanted to write a hook and then you know he started to do joint some of the more like conceptually. Rigorous, kind of school of art. Bands, like birds and stuff, but they were very cool an alternative and I think-i wanted to be a little harder and a little bit more poppy. So he started to do his own side project just in the off hours working at a recording studio just as A. Cleanup crew maintenance man type person. So he started doing those demos but yeah, he. He didn't spend very much time. What what would you consider putting would shedding are putting in your? Thing is dues as a as an independent musician. He paid his dues and like the sort of grimy. Cover band world her band world with. Its separate Sam from a lot of musicians in that era who only ever really played originals and didn't have an idea of how to understand songs in different Sean res- yeah. You're right. Could definitely comes across in his very hooky surprisingly melodic songs that when they come down to at our pot. As Harsh as they might be they are he definitely has a very strong pop sensibility. So nails being inducted in twenty twenty. Let's talk a little bit about what we think that could lead to in the coming years right and you we can. We can open the tributary for right and you know it's both depeche mode and nine inch nails seems like they're both kicking down a similar door. And I think the one is that if you've got all these members of Depeche mode and now nine inch nails, you know together that's at least I think ten or eleven people who are voting members now I, can't imagine they're not voting for craft work next year and I could see that being enough to finally put craft work in the top five or six I just think craft work is really around the corner more than ever. But That makes sense although I. Wouldn't say I wouldn't consider that trend I mean Trent takes most his influence from from black music and not white dance music. You know maybe maybe he listened craftwork but the you know the robots that he wanted to be where. Juan Atkins. Robots not on German wants I get the sense that he has to acknowledge even when you look at. An album pretty hate machine even if that wasn't a direct influence like almost literally the technology he was using was the technology that was. If not invented popularized by bands like craft work and that entire genre that craft work was kind of at the forefront of. Oh. Yeah. No this is definitely the year when the synthesizer is waived in the face of all. Eddie. Van Halen's in the world and said ha ha this is a legitimate instrument and when you are at the Rock Hall in addition to Capes and what are the other things he? Hates roques. A lot of guitars right? They don't have. And they're sexing beautiful but you don't have a lot of keyboards around because you don't have an aura in the same way that you know somebody's beloved guitar does although Image in the Rock Hall, is him smashing a keyboard wedges an iconic gesture s rate his his roadies always talk about how third? Carry around glue and spend the whole night trying to glue the. Cave back on. Smashed again, the next day you know I, don't I don't think it's necessarily tributary, but I do think there is if you think about it in terms of being a studio wizard type that Trent is. Todd Rundgren? is like that for a different era in a different style of music. There, I have. The auto wizard someone doing a lot of it himself in the studio. And doing a lot of different things. It's kind of a tenuous connection, but my money is always on Rundgren to get and. Just like He. I can't believe he's not in I always think he's in, I always think he's going to get in because he just seems like the type of person who would get it. It, just it seems like he's probably got enough friends who can vote via. You know you know what I am surprised he is not the more I think about it in terms of like. John. Raya I don't know that there's too many artists that would get inducted that came after nine inch nails but I think what nine inch nails induction really does if we're being honest about the inductions. It opens up another ninety slot like because that's kind of how they think about these artists on the ballot right? Like make sure nobody else in the same lane like even though the music might be very different. I don't think it is necessarily a coincidence that when radiohead became eligible than nine inch nails was not on the ballot and that they clear in the past for Wizar- over here. Really what I'm tally I. Hey I. I. Don't I don't make the rules I wish I did it doesn't clear. It doesn't clear a path for anybody that I care about I the bummer for me. It's not does not clear the path for any women. It doesn't clear the path for musicians of color. It just clears it for just like. Younger more of the same I don't. I don't totally agree on the musicians of color thing. Inasmuch, as I think that if you look at trends history of musicians, he's worked with his produced in that he's had as opening acts they're pretty often bands of color like. He took t on the radio out with them for a while for instance I. Think you know they're one of the greatest rock bands that's still around and I think that he would use his vote not to lift up other ninety s white. rocker. But to lift up under represented like leaders of like the Golden Age of hip hop if we're GONNA get big in this year then that's that's the real wedge that I think maybe being up. I mean I think maybe with his personal vote that is just one. You know verses like what symbolically nine inch nails getting in means it doesn't mean I I, don't see necessarily like the symbolism of nine inch nails doing anything to advance the causes that like I care about in. In the hall I mean I did not know that he has like TV on the radio's there. It's like a nonstarter you know as far as the hall is concerned. Not As far as my personal music collection is concerned and so I think that that is more kind of Angolan coming at it from, which is as far as like what this means for the future classes. It means that we can get more new wave, we can get more. Music we can get more interesting white male music but it doesn't necessarily open up a I'm trying to think of a band that that would be more inclusive diverse that like nine inch nails induction could lead to you know like, is there a way? Kenya you move the red string somewhere. No. A band like the roots like one of the roots eligible right because I feel like anybody. Well, course love is the nominating committee. The roots will get like root. Eligible it'd been eligible for a year or two, but it'll but I don't think he would want to get in before like know gone back. Akon. Yeah which is ridiculous at that hasn't happened. Within. Dominated like two or three times ex. She's been twice, solo wartimes with Rufus. So technically six on the ballot, it's it's definitely a system that works and there's no. My. God. Look how angry I just got. On the joker of. Situation we said that Chaka Khan had been nominated six times in hadn't gotten and she got really mad. Why Will Daphne thank you so much for doing this and joining us and talking about this stupid little thing called the Rock. Hall we appreciated. Is. There anything you would like to plug even if it's just your social media or the book we talked about Well. Yeah. There's obviously the credit hate machine book. I've been doing been back in Ohio and back and Cleveland's I work with black lives matter Cleveland. So please check out black lives matter Cleveland and resist Operation Legend. Relentless pursuit were doing a lot of great defunding work to help do racial justice and reallocation of funds to community building. To it, Odoyo has difficult map. GERRYMANDERING. So that is great. Yes. Yes. There's a lot of good work happening in. Ohio. 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The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: An Overview of The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

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The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: An Overview of The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

"Gray and Marcus on the imbalance history of rock and roll anybody. We have a very special guest today. A man I've known a long longtime and it's true you can't lie Paul. I'm talking about my buddy neander Paul Paul Marshall part of the market and the Interpol morning show on on KS Election Phoenix. Hey Man I am well for those that need a little breath. Refresher Course Ray at one point offered me an exorbitant fee to knockout couch Jesse camp and a bar one night all ready to do it was already too and he walked in with his representative who happened to be one of our closest friend and scuttled but I remember Ray and another person who shall remain nameless several hundred dollars on the end of the bar if I go up in a cold talk yet the faith it is one of my life biggest regrets never having done home. I Got Paul. That's classic that's out there. That is is going to have to know. Sure hope so as twenty years ago. Wasn't it longer than that. But yeah well while you've never been shy about revealing things and or your feelings or opinions on things and When it came to the Rock Hall Class at Twenty Twenty any you posted something on social media and you know Marcus Goldman my buddy marcus in the dark as we Certainly do we chat like girlfriends on social media and in texting and stuff about all this stuff all day about the podcast and we both saw your post on your neanderthal page at the ram the same time and started saying we got a call. Paul get them on to talk about this. I think we want to run through your original statement if we have time for that to kind of set things up for people so they know what we're talking about they know we're talking about the imbalance history of rock and roll in. It is always brought to you by crooked. I bere- in the heart of Hafbro. Paul if you have come to town and Philly sometime. We're going to go there. You'RE GONNA fall in love with bruise there a crooked eye so if they serve beer. I'm in I know it's one of the things I love about it. Really good beer in your statement you said today. I declared the Rocker Hall of fame as relevant today have been asked to elaborate. I receive some questions and wanted to share the response here and you said to the in the post. Here's what I told. The Questioner Jenner is the hall of Famer Relevance based upon. And you said who has not been inducted and you said yes. Yeah you want to elaborate a little bit on the things that are on the top of your mind. Look first and foremost. I don't want to bad mouth. Any of the inductees. No they did nothing wrong. I'll be picking at what they do. And somebody voters resented mortals and. I think that's great but I was thinking sort of obnoxious that the Rock Hall of fame would put a band in or an artist. In without whom aband- they overlooked having having existed. This band wouldn't exist for example. Brian can't put nine inch nails into the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Without First Inducting Gibo and craft work to ban Dan that without whom Trent redner hadn't heard he would never have bought his first computer and realize you could make music with irritates me about the Rock Hall of fame that day. Inductive van that are pioneers that invented and popularized a circle of the Caen mortality. That's musically mortality. If you're banned invent a a form of music or your singular in what you do and music has different after your band appeared on the scene can yes you are hall of Famer will you can put the MC five in that boat. They were up for this year to. You're getting into who has been inducted in not inducted and there's somebody who did exactly what you're talking about the empty five in the Kingston a coup invented punk rock. So why aren't they add right. It makes no sense absolutely makes no sense and the MC five with the first American punk rock band if it worked for the MC five then the ramones don't exist as my friend she though Koto this when it came to Punk Rock America fired first so there you go yeah no the stooges in the MC and how long did it take the students to get in long-term longtime and that's where when when the original question was is irrelevant on the Rock Hall of fame based upon those that haven't been inducted absolutely because they have ignored pioneers. They have ignored artists that without whom existing music would be where it is today. AAC Me there is music before this artist and music after the artists and music after this artist is different based upon the appearance of this artist. And not the hall of Famer. That's immortal mortgage hard to argue a case against that man and argue with that at all now a couple years ago. You made a long post about the nominees whether you thought they might get Dr Not. It was the year that sister Rosetta Tharp was nominated and inducted and at that point. I think you had said you weren't really sure. But she's quite a pioneer ear. I'd heard about her about fifteen years ago for the first time saw video on Youtube and was blown away by her guitar playing then I was reading some stuff about her and Elvis's listen. Guitar Player said that without people like sister Rosetta tharp. I wouldn't be here today so she ended up being one of those big time. Pioneers who sort of lived in obscurity. DNA took her a long time to get in and women have been treated very poorly as far as getting into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I couldn't agree more now. The thing with was that a thought and this is a great example of contradiction. Because I didn't know enough about her to say yeah okay. He's in the Rock Hall of fame. He deserves to be in the Rock Hall of fame. One of the great things things at the rock and Roll Hall of fame has an opportunity to do is to educate and to draw awareness and do bring forth those pioneer to make the public aware that these people existed listed. And you're right sister. Rosetta Dr Arguably one of the greatest. If not the greatest female guitar player that has lived and yet we didn't know because back then in the fifties and fifty. Let's face it not only. Is it the sex industry. It's still a racist industry. Why Chuck various not acknowledged as the reigning King of rock and roll because nobody in America was ready to give the crown around to an African American back then can argue with that either so so Rosetta tharp gets overlooked and by the way that chain of overlooked female L. Stars continues with the exclusion of Benetton so far so far north happened? I don't know she was all over the radio during our younger years man. She was so so all over the radio with her albums her songs and they weren't just one or two songs from each album. You would hear on the rock and roll rick the AOR stations four five five six songs deep on her albums that they were deep. They were deep song thing but hell is for children. Anybody else about outside of uncle salty from aerosmith. I don't think I remember another song about child abuse not like that being a popular song. A popular song don't happen. It's not just a pop dr not to somebody who was a popular figure in American culture but also was writing some cheap stuff. Some things that not only did men knocked right about women wouldn't even touch the and yet they inducted mcdonagh. Her first opportunity. Madonna doesn't exist. If Benetton doesn't kick that you also talked in your Post about the question of is it about who has been inducted adopted and you said no because a lot of people WANNA pick You know this one should Nagai in and Y you're talking about a line lineage and chronology the you know the people who benefited from the pioneer are in and yet the person who was the pioneer. The five are not. So it's not about who's been inducted in your view. Because you see how well look and I think primarily this is a semantic argument with me and that is when people like Madonna Madonna get inducted but people like Pat Benner tar get ignored and they call it the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Let's just get this out of the way right now. Rock and roll is a trademark. It's an instantly identifiable faial brand name. It's Kinda like when you hear somebody say. Give me a coke. They're not talking about coca-cola talking about the flavor rock and roll is all encompassing when it comes to music it's a wide breadth music and there's a huge difference between Brenda Lee and Metallica. And yet they're both considered rock and roll. So when somebody like Madonna who isn't traditionally considered rock and roll is inductive but somebody like Pat. Ben Atar who is the epitome of the definition is ignored. It's not about that artist. Pat Ben Atar big gap Madonna so when the business artists that would be the big argument. This time around will be the notorious who's the next logical evolution from screaming Jay Hawk and who suck up over the week from the part two quick them Brooklyn streets fuck all that switch with them and then she the counted ninety five on the wings. Mac brought on by we. We got screaming. Jay Hawkins we got Little Richard. We got Chuck Berry. We got sly stone. We got Prince we got. They'll be digging. We're GONNA get at some point. We may get Bruno Mark. You know what I mean like. There's an evolution that happens. So the idea that the rock and Roll Hall of fame is inducting traditionally non rock artists. Look there's a huge difference between Carl all perkins and the doors. But they're both rock and roll MANDIC argument. I think it's a weak argument. Man All this gabbing with Paul Marcus. I feel like I need a beer. Yeah Yeah Palsy blasted to rid great opinions. But I'm dry. There's only one place to go when I'm dry KRILL. I know when I'm thirsty. I head to the heart of Hapur and go see my friends at crooked eye brewery. I want to thank Paul Paul and the whole gang for their support for our podcast. It's been great. Yeah when you WANNA taste the freshest most creative brews in the Buck Mont you go to crooked Eye at York road and Montgomery right there. The Heart Hafbro pouring the cure for what ails you. Since two thousand fourteen the crooked eye crew makes every single night fund. Hey you can keep up with a live entertainment on the breweries facebook page. That's the best way we know what's happening there including their free Tuesday nights blues jam which is taken off the home brewers club and my partner in crime raise vinyl nights which are the third when Thursday of the month as brewers me and live music. All the time including the crooked eye band is always good fun to be had a new friend to be. He made a crooked eye and we wanNA thank them as always for their support of what we do on this crazy imbalanced podcast. When you need a fresh tasty brew head to Hap- Borough make it crooked? I we are refresh. So let's get back to it with the Andhra Paul talking about the hall on the Balanced History of rock and roll. You also mentioned the criteria. I used to induct in. You said it's a secret for a reason. It's not random nor is it merit based. I think it's the most nebulous part of of the formula is the criteria because nobody seems to know in. It's because you have a whole theory on this which I tend to agree with because it's the guys who got together to form the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Club Have Control of all of it pretty much right. Yeah and I don't want to name drop into a rock and Roll Hall of Famer a reluctant rock rock and Roll Hall of Famer from one of America's greatest rock band and they're from in New York City and there were a lot of makeup in their early years. You know who I'm talking about that to me during an interview imagine if you had trademarked the name rock and Roll Hall of Fame You could be the rock and Roll Hall of fame. And that's essentially what happened here. Was John Winner. And and a couple of guys from rolling stone. Who are one of the more elitist music magazine on the face of the earth? Remember rolling stone historically bad mouth every led Zeppelin record when they came up rolling stone. Stone is an elitist group of in the know click that they believe that bans like television and the talking heads and and that might be down. You think they believe that those band and Lou Reed are the be all end all of the coolest thing about rock when you see the movie almost famous get that great Characterization of Lesser Bang talking about how these guys are ruining rock and roll. We've talking about Rolling Stone Paul. We Love Lester bangs on the podcast. Great example die. He understands that the opinion of the elite the opinion of a small group of People's necessarily represent everybody. But when you say rock and Roll Hall of fame somewhere along the line the word rock and Roll Hall of fame put together lend credibility credibility. There is no real credibility to just a bunch of people who thought. Hey these are people. We want to immortalize now the undeniable undeniable. Unless you're the rock and Roll Hall of fame it's easy to say Chuck Berry's Hall of Famer. It's easy to say led Zeppelin famer. It's easy to say. But here's a great example. How the fuck is an ozzy? Osbourne a rock and Roll Hall of Famer America Solo Artist because he bit the head off of the bat and he's scares people and he is the single largest recording artists in hard lock history. He's the Elvis of hard rock and heavy metal. Young is the epicenter of what hard rock in that form of music is and I'm not talking about it's worked with Black Sabbath. It can be argued that odd to work is more important and relevant than black Sabbath work without a doubt remember. All of the controversy was suicide solution. and Mr Crowley and all of that and then I was reading a book and Zach. Wow there's somebody said that. Ozzy saw the picture of Alister Crowley and was like who's that hat and he's like. Oh that's Alister Crowley and he's like. Oh that's what he looks like. Maybe he didn't. He was bald with a beard or something like that and I think it was in the latest John. Wieder hornbook. But that's a perfect perfect example of what we're talking about. Guys the fact that Ozzy as a solo artist isn't it in there. You know I know that there are people who were in two and three ways and that's great great for what they've done but why not acknowledge a man who's one of the great voices in rock has been there through it all including the most recent chapter. Let me get the straight Eric. Clapton gets into the rock and Roll Hall of fame as a member of Delaney and Bonnie's band but The osbournes not a rock and Roll Hall of Famer because this elitist group of people who have just just chosen who've decided to decree upon the chosen ones. This immortality. Don't like Ozzy they don't like Judas or or bad company to which is Orange Theri manilow or the guy wrote the the guy in American bandstand and he's not in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Oats to get listen. We're on the Pantheon podcast network and there's actually A podcast that. That's what they talk about. It's called who cares about the Rock Hall and people who wanted to hear more about other people's opinions opinions about all this stuff even some of the people who are inside that committee to good podcast. Check out here on Pantheon. We're hanging with neander Paul on the imbalance history of rock and roll. Oh He's on the morning. Show a castle phoenix with the market. Neanderthal is that crazy every day you and market and things started for for Phoenix and It beats working for a living. You guys are in Philadelphia. I can tell you I never have to shovel my walkway in three in the morning. And and you know look. I've been doing this for thirty three thirty four years and it's a good way to make a living. Look anybody and I've said this to you before Ray and I know some people will argue but anybody. That's in radio. It was a failed musician. This is the second best job in the world next actually making music people. Ask Me Paul and I tell them the only thing I can plays records. Yeah I mean I if I had any the musical talent I certainly would have made it when it was an opportunity but then nineteen ninety-one happened and Nirvana got credit for kicking. Open the door that Jane's addiction opened five years before that and then allison changes made a bunch of noise with the tween in between so they actually made the noise and mother love bone was making all sorts of noise before Andy would died. And let's not forget that in nineteen eighty eighty four little band called the cult a common territory as hoping you would run little song called Sanctuary for rock radio. I aren't the caught. In the rock and Roll Hall of fame makes no sense. We probably would sit down and do all this so so. Let me ask you this if somebody were to have the money to start a rock and Roll History Museum and do a rock and Roll History Museum Hall of Fame Name And Make It a nonprofit type of deal. That's based on this type of stuff. Do think it would be more effective and credible than the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Institution Institution not the musicians of course and people need to understand. We're not slagging on any of the musicians because they are professional musicians. They are all masters at their craft after all great at what they do deserve to be they deserve to be where they are but a lot of founders as we discuss are left out. And we're talking about the the institution and the decision makers. I think what we're talking about is the sins of omission. Yes no and I think that look anytime. Music isn't a competition right. And I think what happens with any time you start giving award or are it becomes subjective and it gets we. Are you know the rock and Roll Hall of fame based on whose idea rock and roll at least when they award the platinum album if the recording industry of America or at least when they give out the academy award it you know the whatever the Film Academy whatever they call it Mitchell name bit so there's at least an attributed door you're somebody that has a source of credibility the rock and Roll Hall of fame is it just is what it is so let's just say it was like the National Recording Arts and sciences music achievement or something like that achievement achievement versus hall of fame because all fame means that somebody is going to be excluded and. I don't know that there's any right way to do it. I think what they're doing with the experience music project in Seattle. It's nice because it's a museum dedicated to to the local the local contributions to it. I think that's fantastic. I think anytime you start talking about competition. Can you know. There are certain things that we can all agree on. We all agree on the Beatles. We can all agree well. I don't know that we can all agree on the Beatles because there are people who get it don't like the Beatles acknowledge the fact that their the single most important musical artist of our time. I think it's your doc. You're talking about subjective opinions and the sensible mission is really the issue. I don't care who got in but I do care who doesn't get in and you can't can't ignore the obvious in your Post When we were talking about this you said unfortunately artists and fans are annually led to believe the fan vote matters to the fans hands? It's become a source of debate. That's not a bad thing. Keeps the spirit of music lively this year Kinda stood out because you had to artists who were nominated who led the fan vote and neither one of them got in have been a tornado tapping yeah. It is what people don't understand that I believe and correct me if I'm wrong because again. This goes back to the criteria period for induction. I believe at the panel of thousand votes right and it made up of some music industry people gun critic some members of the rock and Roll Hall of fame and the Fan but well the a fan vote out of all those hundreds of thousands or millions of votes that are cast throughout the five or six artists that they have in their only counts for one of those one thousand votes. That's hired to fill the fans. The fans are one one thousand of the factor to get somebody in so in that instance who care. It's a Kokin thing. What sock is it does activate a fan base which which is always good anytime we can sit here and talk about music and debate that this is great this kind of division in America that is welcome because it doesn't really mean anything and in the end nobody gets? Ah No just maybe a feeling to you know if you get personally I hope thing is about the metal bias You have multiple nominees is this year Judas. Priest's and motor head. You can make a case for soundgarden. Because that's how we first heard about him was when we did Metal Radio Paul and none of those fans got in and yeah. I don't know what the process will be with any of those artists or others in the hard rock heavy metal category. That aren't in but there's definitely the group bias for or or against certain types of music and services. Well then Nicholas back to that small group of people who are the final movers and shakers and artists in their club. It which is why I say. There's no accountability to it right when it's a blind process when it's a secret process when you go to the Conclave and you wait for the white smoke to come out of the staff you know you say to yourself okay. They've now decreed upon it. We don't know from what I understand and again I don't know this to be true. So this is all rumor and conjecture hearsay from what I understand. In order to be considered for the rock and Roll Hall of fame you have to be presented by somebody and sponsored by somebody like it's a motorcycle club or something like that or a knighthood and yeah somebody has to present you in front the Almighty people and then they sit in the room and they're all of Almighty sit back and go should we. I don't know maybe what if we made a donation to the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Oh yeah well like everything else you know. Money is the lifeblood of Societe from what I understand. There is a financial consideration or consideration fedaration for the rock and Roll Hall of fame just like well. Don't know this certainly goes brings us back to ozzy. This goes back to the pay. Place at certain bands get on certain tours is based upon their record company and or management and or some sponsor paying for that acts. It is my understanding that you can pay for access into the rock and Roll Hall of fame as well any initial consideration. I want to say to that thirty anything else. Yeah I love your perspective. Always you know that you never fail to To stir things up there Paul. No matter where you've been whenever we've talked this. This is the constant you know when you were in Sacramento or Kansas City. Are there in Phoenix. which which I hope you will stay there and entertain the people in Phoenix for a long time? No matter what it is you always loved to stir shit up and that's why you keep it interesting Bro. Well look music is a great thing. Look everybody talks about radio and music discussion. Everyone says it's not brain surgery. No it's way more important than this is the kind of stuff that he people from going nuts over watching the new. This music is such an emotional attachment. Listen to music music they listen to music or the connection and a and when you are connected and passionate about something anytime somebody flag your favorite band tribal like your favorite sports team your arms and you try to defend spend your fourth team which brings me to a closing thing that I wanted to hit you with and I know you're trying to wrap up. The argument between the band doesn't hurt anybody but when artist who has played the way at their crap for thirty forty fifty plus years right and their name on a nomination about Obama craff work or a band right the empty spot or band like motor at all of the in classic lineup of motorhead Argonne. You know they got Linda Ronstadt in before she's half which would the quality move on the part of the Rock Hall of fame but you and I both know a lot of these guy. I front going to beat here so when you see 'em see five who everybody but the rock and Roll Hall of fame knows are pioneers in a musical form. And they see their name on the ballot and they finally validation Dacian for our light work and then their Passover in favor of somebody who may or may not be deserving as that band irving. That's the key answer Sakib as deserving because of what they did in the door they opened we could go on forever about this but I know you've got to run to you. Just got off the Air Karen. Thanks for taking some time to talk about your view on the Rock Hall here. It almost sounds like the Who Cares about the Rock Hall podcasts? We've been going on about it but dude I just WanNa tell you before we get out of here and sign off. I'm GonNa go put on a copy of electric warrior. I'M GONNA kick back and we're just going to celebrate the T. Rex got in and I will go home and put on actually at home. I will go in my office. Input on a copy of electric cafe. And listen to Boeing boom chuck from craftwork and give my finger to Trent redner for not saying take my spot and give it to craft where deserve more than I do. He did just so you know when he was nominated he did say that. I do feel that if we get in without craft were getting in. I will feel very very uncomfortable. They should be in before us and he did interview. And I don't know if people realize this gangsta rap wouldn't be what it is without craft work that's a whole nother another day or wait a minute. We already did that. One didn't address Schwartz told us the whole story about that with school. He d. It was crazy how that Chris being in the craft work and working with school. How a lot of that stuff spun together was in our episodes? We did to episode interview with Chris Shorts from Rough House and rough nation right and hip hop wouldn't be where it is today. We're not prepared from Belli's choirs bands. So you know it is what it is this all ties together together for those people that don't think that hip hop Rasmin rocket does yeah. You're right Bro. You're right and Whitney Houston is the natural progression of aretha Franklin and Billie early holiday and Nina Simone and all of them as well and people fail to see that connection to unfortunate that we ought up in semantic So you know. I wish that everybody that deserving the bands and artists that can congratulate you for them on the rock and Roll Hall of fame or ignoring parts that it's been there and open in the door and by the way had those artists wouldn't have been a role in film magazine. There wouldn't be a rock and Roll Hall of fame. That's true that's where we're going to leave your brother at the my buddy neander Paul the mark in the Interpol show on Kfi LX mornings in Phoenix. Thanks for being with us here on the inbound history a rocket row you do wear Parkas when it's sixty degrees breath no marcus. 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Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: We're Back!

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the rock hall a podcast about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame I'm your host joke was Allah I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame even though I haven't been talking about it for an hour every week for the past however many months. With No. I've been thinking about non stop that voice your. Who's with me as always is someone who has felt free from the restraints of having to talk about the rock and Roll Hall of fame every week it's kristen stuttered Akerson. Hi Hat. Gosh I have not dedicated. Many thoughts. Many moments to the rock hall like at all. By Liar I am yeah and we're back we obviously were on a hiatus but we have hit the point where the twenty twenty induction ceremony or special whatever you WANNA call it. The long delayed event is around the corner. We've got less than two months until whatever that thing is and we thought it would be appropriate to get back into talking about the hall specifically revisiting the artists just leading up to this HBO Special Now. Have there been any ads for the special has tended been any no promotions no promos really it's still it's been. Quiet on that. Front. As much as it had been. When they decided to not have a ceremony there's been no pretty much no news. And is there like a landing page somewhere assuring us that this is happening in? November I can just see us getting your and then like. Yeah, Bayton switch again. Yeah. That you to me I also I don't think. So we're just kind of going off of their word. was there a press release or something there was definitely Yeah. Press release in an announcement and. That's all we really have to go off of there was an interview or two with some people who were were involved with the hall and I know that it had been stressed that this was not just going to be A. Lame like zoom. Greenie people thinking from their laptop camera. I think they're. Now that the you know RNC has shown us what's possible. Well seriously though the the Vm as kind of showed what you could do with an award ceremony Oh. Yeah. I've seen out T H I have seen only pictures from the Bahamas and they all seem to be like red carpet mixtures. I saw a picture of lady. Gaga at the microphone wearing a man yes. The the major I have not seen the VM as but the major kind of tent pole was that lady, Gaga performed with Arianna `Grande in the same space wearing masks with other dancers and like it was a production, they put on a production on a stage was there. Like plexiglass between or this is it I mean, they were I'm assuming tested and then massed up just for. Precautions and all the dancers were also masked. Yeah. It's so interesting because singing is the most dangerous. Off. Redder event of like that's what they've. 'cause. It was like Pat Choir rehearsal that became that super spreader event right at the beginning of the pandemic and it was like. A lot of people got sick from that one event because you are. Really pushing. Out. Extra. Really given it your all so. Interesting I didn't realize that there had been a live performance. Yeah and a lady Gaga almost had like a weird. I mean obviously she's going to go all out with the visuals but she had almost like a gas mask type thing that had like amounts at the end of it. Because she's not going to. Just wear a mask. She's not gonNa just wear a mask. She's GonNa give her all good for but we are seeing a return like if you look at the late night shows, we're seeing a return to studio recordings. You know like the tonight show is re recording from the studio even if there isn't an audience in, it's like very low personnel count. So we're getting to a point with live events and I know the EMMYS are coming up and they are going I've heard that they are going to do it. At like the staple center stellar whatever La live or wherever they do it and it's just going to be. I. Think Maybe people are going to be set up stations I don't know how they're going to do but that's also rumors but they. Try. To run a live event just because you need also like production crew you know it's not just the people that we're seeing on camera. You know it's like a whole production and also the planning Just. Wild. Yeah. They are also afforded the opportunity to really control it because it's not going to be live. This is all going to be pref- ill-named and carefully done and curated and edited that will all be done. Who knows how much longer prior to be event itself? Do you think they'll know who won beforehand before it airs and like they have to keep some. For. For the EMMYS. Yeah. I'm and I was if you can believe it, I was actually talking about the Rock Hall. On this show. Okay. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah I guess you could also talk about the rock. I mean personally I thought we were doing an unease. Special one but. Because, the EMMYS might actually be live but with the Rock Hall I, get the idea that they will be doing everything in parts for weeks. Oh, yeah. To the. But I I am curious if they'll be able to. Air. They'll want to structure it somewhat like a traditional ceremony or if they will try to take the form that were working with and do something new. You know I wouldn't. I wouldn't really those those titans of innovation, the rock and Roll Hall of fame I don't necessarily not banking on that I'm curious to you know the kind of thing about a live event is that. You can surprise the audience. You Know Kinda thing where you can feel it in the it's like when you're a special guests, it's like when? Don Henley came out for Stevie Nicks. Performance. Ceremony. And you know we didn't know it was going to happen and there he was and that was cool I. Wonder if that will have the same type of effect, those kind of surprises or I wonder if. They'll need to tell us who who's WHO's on it to get us to watch right because the way it works typically in terms of drumming up publicity for these ceremonies is they always say who the presenters are ahead of time WHO's going to be performing because that's what draws people to the event. That's supposed to be the built-in advertising right. That Harry styles is going to be inducting Stevie Nicks, for example, in that will. Hopefully help riles activate. Here we go. I mean if there's ever a hive yeah. For sure. So I, I would imagine that they must announce some stuff, but there can be a lot of surprises because you could also put together an induction speech. You know the one like you would have like hairstyles doing stevie Nicks, but you could do one and it could be produced so that it jumps from five different people giving an induction speech. You know with the with the form, you can do things like that which I think is interesting and I would like to see some of that given the you know the restraints of a live show are no longer a limiting what can happen. I also, you know I was thinking back on it. I'm remembering some of the insider information that we got kind of off off my. And I'm curious about you know if any of the guests that they were trying to get are going to be able to come through now that they don't have to leave their homes more now that tours are canceled and things like that. You know the conflicts are probably have gone way down probably a lot less conflicts from. We'll yeah and they just have to say, I, hate, the hall. Right because in general, there's a there's a lot of hurdles of like. One I don't WANNA GO TO CLEVELAND. It seems like a hassle or two. It's like I have to promote my album an album coming out unfortunately. I can't be there or touring the big one. Well, I think an even bigger one is a symphony that I'm loosely involved with is premiering later that we can Paris and let's not forget that that is an ironclad excuse and it stands. The we call at the. Tom York special. Yeah. But I guess yeah, I'm I'm curious about if. If this will in some way, make it a lot better than it would have been at the very least. You have to imagine that they will lean on or beef up the packages. Right? It was already also. Okay. Now I'm thinking about it too. I didn't really watch much of either of the political conventions, but I saw some of the highlights especially from the DNC and I listened to some. You know punditry about. To some commentary thank you. Yeah. I. Listened to some commentary about and something that was. Really that helped the DNC be a much better event. This year was it was shorter Joe Biden's Acceptance Speech was like twenty eight minutes and like Hillary. Clinton's had been almost an hour because you don't have the truly captive audience. They can get away with that stuff having a longer speech and things like that. So hopefully, they'll cut that down and also. The networks weren't cutting away as much. They were like covering the whole thing and I wonder if that's going to be if there's GonNa be more people who watch maybe the whole thing as well rather than kind of take it Alicarte the way. I would have done in the past If. They can get some really good the problem one of the things that we will wow I. I am bright back in it I have like thoughts. which is I I hate the We'll come back. I can't believe them medically I was like, well, if you really think about it. Grows but if you really think about it, one of the things that will be missing from this ceremony is definitely GonNa be the jam more the the mash shop thing where two bands played I'm trying to think of one time that's happened before now. Oh Yeah. For sure like I mean the it was a long time ago but I I bring this up every once in a while that the guy who wrote black magic woman. Was In fleetwood Mac, and then obviously Santana covered it years later and made it a hit. But those two bands were inducted the same year and he said in with Santana when they played, it was like Oh cool moment like a full circle moment. And like there are just have been a lot of stuff like that you're going to really I'm curious about you know like what bands are quarantining together. Yeah that's a good question like can we get a? Performance the came those guys even if they're not quarantined together, can they be in the same room though even in wearing masks and performing together? Yeah I'm curious I don't know maybe they'll just have they'll do it like Jimmy. Style. But you know seven Brady Bunch Zoom. Zoom boxes like on the screen for at least one of them will be Brady bunch style. I bet at least one is going to be like the roots in each box playing different children's instrument and. Yeah I guess that that may be true but I would guess obviously that the producers would try to push for not bad if they can. Because I know that the Doobie brothers did like early on in quarantine released, listen to the music with them kind of doing that and maybe they'll just Ri- yogish rerun it. They already got it in the it's in the can baby come on it was also filmed at a different time when we didn't know just how long this would go on or If someone was doing. Brady bunch style one let's say it's the Doobie brothers but then they have like fries square come through the middle like WHO's they alice? WHO's Isn't Alicea last one come through squares. I Who's the special guests that comes through at the end of the Doobie. Brothers doing their Brady Bunch style screen. I think they're doing blackwater and then you get someone like the artist formerly known as the dixie chicks. Now known as the chicks showing up in the Middle 'cause, you could get that I can make all black blackwater is one of those songs that you can incorporate a lot of different types of artists right? Namely Country Artists Yeah. That would be very cool. That would be cool in the middle. Just Natalie maynes just Kinda like takes over the screen for a second runs like. And then. There's the checks right in the middle because it also blackwater ends in around in around. Yes. So do you all need to be sinked up? It is going to be embarrassing. How many? Air. PODS. In People's ears. So it'll. It'll be interesting. I mean like someone like, Trent Reznor could perform entirely by himself, which could be cool. I know that obviously nationals. Computer would have to be there. Let's not. Diminish the more computer but yeah, he could do that. That's right. Nine inch nails are getting inducted WANNA try to remember everybody's being inducted. When we talk the other day I. think that I remembered them when we decided to come back. Okay. Nine nine inch nails, and also you already mentioned because you mentioned the Doobie brothers are Jones are those are two that I would have forgotten. Brothers would have been the last one and then Whitney and Biggie, and then. It's not todd Rundgren t-rex good five that is there another one one that I have mentioned already. Yes. Okay. There you go. You remember who's being inducted in the non performer category. A bunch of managers Jon Landau. Yes. And Martin. Mark Nope that is not start with them like. A John Lamb. Jon Landau. conducted. Once. It's going to be another guy is another man his? Good. Know, that guy's Ardian with. Jon Landau is the manager of Roy. Springsteen yes, and he's also he runs the nominating committee. And you may not know the name of the second guide you know who he manages though famously. As this person in the hall I'm assuming group. That's in the hall. Among many others and he owns like a a huge management like firm but famously, he managed one of the biggest bands of all time. Poll. Now. Beatles manager is already in Brian Epstein who passed away in the sixties but the first few managers get in the hallward, the stones and the Beatles manager, which was Sprang in Andrew. Oldham. And these are the only two other ones that have been inducted Jon Landau and a guy who plays a pivotal role in the documentary history of the Eagles. Irving as off Oh. Yeah. I always think Jon Landau is someone else when I think of Jon Landau I picture. John Larroquette. Who Cares. When you say Irving as off I think of Isaac Asimov's science fiction writer fear every single time. I will never remember Irving as off although maybe I will now who knows who knows as possible? It'll come back up I remembered that he the other Guy Landau was Bruce springsteen's manager which that only took thirty eight times. Yeah. It burrowed its way into your head. Oh here we go. I'm not taking in much new information these days. So that might also be improving the sieve as much as I hate to ask you. There is kind of roll call news to report. There has been basically nothing like I said since the announcement that there would just be a special instead of a ceremony but recently, and at this wasn't announced but more noticed, which is that more members than just Trent residents are being inducted with nine inch nails. Oh, is that that's fake news who was in now just some other guys. Getting in their goth bought five thousand is. Inducted with. The most prominent is atticus Ross who collaborate with Trent restaurant a lot of. soundtracks in movie scores. Those nails to Trent Reznor Atticus. Like they are at nine inch nails I mean it it all goes together I. Wonder if it's accept both of their real names, I believe so but it's going to be so yeah originally when they announced it was just Trent reznor which I mean like everyone kind of knows that nine inch nails is just Trent redner. Solo project. So I think that was fine I mean I know you advocate for put them all and I mean whatever advocates sounds like a white guy though so All White. The. So, they're six other members of nine inch nails that are being inducted well, got spot even though God has no gender. Binary. True by definition very good out myself. Maybe. The most notable thing is at one of the members of nine inch nails Alon. Ruben is thirty to. Go, he will be the youngest inductee wait. So so there's many people getting to. It's not just Abacus fend. List is Tresor Atticus Ross Allesandro Khartini Robin Fink Danny Lonner Ilan Rubin, and Chris Brennan. Worth a lot of people to just slide in there when it was going to be just one and Gospel Gets A. Shaft the shaft once again but that's that's what is that six people seven it's six additional people. Do you? Who Do you think did that? You think it was trying. Listen is he said all I've ever told the story of how. Kanye West the SNL after party would not come into the after party without all his dancers without all of his ballerinas you to me at least I don't know if on this podcast, but there were a lot of outright. Yes and he was like not without my ballerinas. That's missus transnet without my Valerie smell. Yeah. which all right I mean like that's very generous. He did not have to do that and when you look at the official, like who is a member of nine inch nails it has never been anyone only recently was atticus Ross like. Okay, he's officially a member of nine nails. Otherwise it has just been Trent redner. You know in terms of official credit but these a lot of these guys have been in the touring band on and off for a long time in of them I think every single one of them has played on recordings. What I'm going to try to remember the name of the Guy from the cure that was the last one added and it was not without his name it's not default Patrick I know that it. was a name like that. With Patrick politician. Yes I know that that's who it is but the name is like developed Patrick. I don't know if that's true but it's like. Ronal. His his his first name last name. Yes said weird. Though, right. The last name is Kinda was said differently than the way we were passing it. Okay. What was his name I'm going to say, I'll say the first name and you'll be able to get reeves. Ribs Gabrielle. Reece Gabrielle's. Routes. Right controversial because he had not played on a cure album, he had just been with a touring band since two thousand twelve. which you know. Are Very arguable. Hey I mean this other dudes only thirty two how like how long's he been playing with nine inch nails? Yeah. That he Can't can't have been long since two thousand nine. Over ten years. I also think to this is just like another back door way again, more white guys in the hall and I. Don't really I'm not. You know me I'm like inductive model I don't really care but I just did not about diluting the voting power of people calling. General role in any institution and I feel that this is another. Way of that happening. Yeah the only. If you wanted to look for a silver lining, is that generally these voters would be younger than the typical hall voter. But outside of that, there's not much of an upset. Yes they might be younger and yes, we do hope that the youth will save us always where like it's the young people who will change things but they're also still white guys and the impetus to change must come from within. You know here's hope. Hey. Here's hoping that is that's a moderately silver lining. It's a dull silver lining very, very faint. Wow Notice this was this all the buzz on. Twitter. I. Believe it was. I saw it from Troy. Smith. Who is one of the only people who only journalists who follows the rock call very year round yeah. Like intently lives in Cleveland like usually has the scoop on should. Get Him on the show. You know I don't WanNa promise anything, but I have a feeling that may be happening. Soon. ooh. Why don't we take a quick break and we will return with more stuff to talk about. Welcome back. Well, let's talk about what what we have planned for the next few weeks kind of leading up to the ceremony. One of the things we WANNA do we know it has been a long time since we have talked about anything let alone these artists who are being inducted. So we are going to be revisiting the artists individually on her episode basis just because it seems like an appropriate thing to do just to get kind of back into the spirit of these artists who are going to be celebrated in November, and we will be talking to New People that we haven't talked. To you about these artists before so that we can get some fresh perspectives in you know it's not just completely rehashing although we will talk to some old friends but hopefully, we will get some new voices in here also because we do the show via zoom now, that kind of opens up the possibilities to talk to people that don't just live in Los Angeles which is exciting. Yes, and you know it's a great way for me to remember who is being inducted with. Great. Memory test for me. Yeah. I. Think it'll be really cool to hear and also I'm interested to see what people think in this brave new world both of like Colin and racial justice. How people's perspectives of this class induction, you know how people's perspective has changed or more about that, and also how the effect that the cooling off period has had to. Know we were a strong similar leading up. We thought. Okay. Here we go. See A CPA in Cleveland and then returned it off, and now we've got a I. Don't know at least for me I need to reignite. Any interest I have in in this. And I think that like looking at it through these new lenses and also how much has changed and how much has not. Absolutely. So yeah, it will be an interesting walk. Through memory, lane. It'll be a walk through something through the. End It will. There's a lot of things that are new to consider I suppose. Also, the fact that pushing back this ceremony has altered the normal schedule for the Rock Hall Bianca's typically the nominating committee convenes in October and then they released list of nominees and the induct D.'s are then announced the following year and then the ceremony happened sometime in the spring which historically makes the inductees of a certain. Technically, twenty six years is the eligibility period, not twenty five because the let's say Biggie, for example, became eligible in two thousand nineteen to be nominated and then be inducted the following year. But if that doesn't happen over the progression of a year, then where does the twenty five years like suddenly just automatically becomes twenty six or the next year? Do you fold in two years or are they going to try to cram in a nominating committee before the year is up just to keep that twenty five year period consistent I mean literally who cares but I truly I truly couldn't care less but I think it wouldn't be a idea for them to just come vitamin to two and then get on a regular schedule. Almost you know what I mean like may get the nominating happened that January and then the. The. Ceremony happens you know in the fall or whatever something like that another thing that you just remind me of his house famously in person the non the non is. And how they wouldn't let people call in I. Remember we've talked to people who've said Oh yeah. I didn't want to fly to New York. So I just emailed in my suggestions or they wouldn't let me call in and so you know I just didn't go that year later worn was if you can't come Hoagie and I said, I'm out now. If, you can't come to the nominating committee you even if you are on the committee it more or less nullifies your input because it seems like you need to be in the room to make your case, which is very interesting too because I think that's happening a lot with a lot of jobs in a lot of rules that we thought like had to only it's like. Well, it's always been done this way we get the big sandwich. We all sit around the table we have the ads that we pass around and put our little names in or whatever. Now we're realizing for so many different jobs in so many different ways that it wasn't necessary for us to meet in person and I wonder if maybe the hall. Could is it possible? They could grow and change and learn. This is a very curious question. Also Gel. My other question for you is, what would you have them do with far is this question of the twenty five years? You know? I would think the I think it's there's already such a backlog that to then fold in two years together to consider for a new ballot. I think would complicate things just do what I suggested. At. The beginning of the of of our break, which is they need to have a huge class. They need to have an all black or all people of Color class that is over fifty percent female and they need to make it like triple size or or bigger. I don't care and it's like fucking reparations like do the thing and we can all agree like twenty twenty has been does twenty twenty even count as a year in a lot of. The Floor of this century exact being really feels like it. That's an apt metaphor and I mean in some ways I felt this way was like kids and going to school just like I. Don't know whatever she just take year and we'll pick it up. It's like, why are we trying to do this and I say that is someone who doesn't have children or as no stage in this game. But it does feel like this year is visible awash. Yeah. I do think we this is the thirteenth floor history and then maybe next year instead of just. Trying to cram it all into one thing maybe just expand what it means and really fucking do some do some reparations do some repairs and like make it good. That's a tall order for this institution. Yeah I. Don't expect it to happen but you know I do want to be at record as housing. Yeah. I. Agree. And so what would you have them do than? You'd have them do it just do the nominating at the end of this year? Are you think so it just to keep it keep it consistent I mean it would be weird to release a ballot and then I have really quick. Okay. I was just thinking about this too like with the surprise is kind of with social justice being on the minds of the country right now as especially of like musicians, artists and. Athletes in. Public figures. It is a shame that we're not gonNA get a George Bush doesn't care about black people kind of live moment that we will be robbed anything that is said in that regard is going to be prepared or at least at the very least approved lists dangerous last dangerous last exciting. Going to be more sterile. Such a damn shame because I think it was really great when we had these artists talking about more black artists and more women getting inducted and stuff you could just feel it was very meaningful in these speeches and if it's if it feels sterile isn't feels prepared it's not gonNa feel as meaningful Yeah. You lose overall. You lose excitement when you don't have a live event and you might gain more. Polish. But when was rock and roll at its greatest when it was polished disco Okay. Yeah Right. So I mean that's a that is a very, very good point but we look forward to the next few weeks of revisiting these artists and talking to. People old friends, new voices, and I think it's also worth noting we took a break. For the reasons that we took the break but those reasons still even though we're resuming their still as important as ever. At. Stands. Black lives are gonNA matter from now till forever, and you know it's wild be to imagine that I would have anything to say on the show at all and it turns out that I do. So I guess I am glad to be back kind of. Talking about. Can't? Resounding. You heard it here first. excited. I. Guess I'm glad. LET'S BEAUTIFUL That's For this show and for in for you, that's Progress I it is i. and. You know we also want to thank all the people who donated to inner city arts to get access to our hidden secret exclusive episode a but also we we thank you more. So for just contributing to that good cause, which is an organization here in Los Angeles that provides arts education to underserved youth, and our offer still stands if you donate. To that organization and send us your seat. 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