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QLS Classic: D-Nice

Questlove Supreme

1:43:13 hr | 6 months ago

QLS Classic: D-Nice

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Quest Supreme is a production of iheartradio. Ladies and gentlemen. This is another cue LS classic. Demonstrating that all heroes don't necessarily caves twin for seven. For the last thirty years, the legendary denies has been secretly the coolest cat in the room. A lot of us are just hearing about him, but the man has history as a photographer as an MC. A member of the legendary boogie down productions, and especially now as your favorite home schooled Dj so now's your chance to get to know the man. When they simply call. Denies. Prima. Prima role. Of Prima. Third suffering role. Suffering Caro- Prima. Suffering. Although supreme. Of course lovers. De Nice. COM! Role. In the building. I'm willing and able. Compared to me. Just crumbs on the. Table. Suffering, role. Komi Sugar. They call me spice. They call me everything but dean. So? He stole. What are right. Yeah, I'm just going to say. What Up, do you? So pretty. Bill! Starting do drag. Just can't take it yeah gentler. Frame. Grow. Suffering. Blackie Oh yeah, that's right. That fine is over that Oh. Yeah, his name denied. Sir Roll. Roll call. Yeah I. Don't know what to say. I haven't ridden a run. Back in the day. Great. Suffering. So free. So free raw. So free. I boss bill with the field. Goal with one second left. Half Court buzzer here. Off, twenty-five reference. That we provide table. I didn't touch. Call me denies. Were do right now, the crumbs I often do that one. It was literally almost exact same shit like. Compared to Boston. Well Joe, welcome to another episode of course love. Supreme Court Loved Team Supreme in the House Young our guest today. was sixteen when he entered the game back in nineteen eighty something and I believe that he's seventeen some thirty years later. Thanks to that early morning drinking. Coffee, brought you back. You're coughing. I'm just saying that out of anything that he's done in history I'm more curious about how you've yet to. In hip hop, but he. He's a hip hop. Legend. Part of he was part of the The legendary boogie down productions. Crew from the south rocks that really literally changed the face of of hip hop, and advanced it to our intelligence level, where nerds like US could participate and engage in the culture and he's. Had the the craziest journey since I mean as a photographer as a DJ as a producer. And as a coffee maker apparently. Leasing Jomon, welcome to Quest Labs Supreme D- Nice. Yes, thank you for having me. something. So how did you take out those suckers? I still don't know how I did it. Yeah side note. Denies has. have of us in this room engaging in a course Leveson Prima coffee. which is. Very nice, it's coughing. Passion, COFFEE AND PSORIASIS. House Metaphor bashes. Out in a listen. Thank you, diddy in this room. I forget Oh my for sat out to my twin brother, love rather love. For this Rod. How's it going, so you? You say you had a rough night last night. I had a rough night man. What did you do man? so as crazy kind of being in this world where you a met with an investor last night that offered me like a few million to open his business. Hey! So I went out to celebrate after that and I celebrated a little too hard at a restaurant called Charlie Bird. I mean I probably had like five bottles of wine nothing hard, but it was fantastic wine. The Psalm just kept bringing first of all mad, nerdy laid. Off. Right now the psalm brought out i. mean everything was just amazing? Man so I'm recovering from that right now? Congratulates view so soupy sales. Happens all the time I met with them investors. No, but I'm single. was s while I was going to go to? How many jobs do you have one? Is thing man like coming into the hip hop back in eighty six. I had no real role in BDP no. I wasn't I wasn't a real MC at the time. I wasn't really producing at the time and the one thing that Scotland Rock told me early on with dude. You have to know how to do everything in his room. In case, something happened to one of us, so that's how I ended up becoming a Dj our learning to learn how to write rhymes. It was really because I had no real role so I tried to fit in, and I did a little bit of everything and to this day. I just feel like I can do anything you know. So in terms of like businesses, you know I'm trying not even try and I'm about to open the club. You know working on that now. you know the DJ and takes me all over the world? Obviously photography has been great to me. You know shot campaigns done. America's next top model Hennessy campaigns with with this guy over here. You know. He's like. Who you're talking to. You know, but I just I love being created. That's it I love being created. So. You know. I. I know you but I'd never ever nerd it out because I knew I was going to get on the show one day. And you know. I have so many questions about. Just your your your entry in the hip hop in in in all those things first of all. Where where were you born? Can I assume that you were born in? I was I was no no no I was actually born in New York. Born in Harlem hospitals and Health New York. That's all yes. How come people that come on the show that represent a city in there? Had Long. They don't ever do that. I wish I was born in the Bronx, but no, my heart is always there I was born in Manhattan in Harlem Hospital, but raised in the Bronx and a in the funny thing is. That wasn't even raised in the South Bronx. So what part of the Bronx were well I'm assuming when I say you guys what I'm saying. BDP what part of the Bronx? So care. S was from Brooklyn, so he wasn't really from the Bronx. Molly Molly. Curious was from Brooklyn so south. Bronx actually represented where he lived at the time he lived in the men's shelter. in Dj Scotla Rock was a social worker. Their care S, you know. His name wasn't Carris. He was bed number five, seven, zero six West. But. No, he lived there in my cousin was a security guard. At the shelter, men shelter Franklin's men shelter in the Bronx so when they talk about all, not even they when we talk about South Bronx, it really represented that particular area really with Scott lived in in I was a part of the group because. I you know back in the day of the when you say how many jobs like I love cooking, growing up and one day. This is really how it happened I was. Cooking something for my cousin. And brought it over to the shelter. And then he introduced me to Scotla. Rock and Scott looked at me and said you're going to be in my group just like that. Data's serious. He was like you're going to be group. You had no. He had no clue of what the. First Day that I met him. He wanted you to cook for the group. Probably. But yet it's crazy when I think about it, man, it's insane. What was your musical experience prior to that like we're you? Elise observing what hip hop was coming back in the eighties like where you at park? Jams. Any of those things are was that after your time? No, no, no I was always into music, but oddly enough. It wasn't hip hop so I drew up. which you know, not enough. I'm not just saying this because you're here. But I grew up listening to soul music, so when I hear that in a party to this day it's actually the reason why DJ I grew up. Listening to you know just a lot of James Brown stuff like Melba Moore like everything in the seventies was like that was my era and the first hip hop record I fell in love with wasn't even like a fool on record I remember walking by a laundromat in. Someone was playing like Pebble Pool So that was like the first time that I like really fell in love with hip hop because she was. On old mix tape and she was rhyming in. A new, Lake Man I want to be involved with it and but. Yeah so that was my music really started with with with hip hop with terrorists that was. You know outside of the Pebble Pu stuff I never wanted to wrap until I met them until I met Scott and cares. That's. Okay well so then. How to become like you know you. You're in the group until you know. You actually you guys doing things in like. How do they develop as a as a band? Search for WHO's MVP. So there is the group. Will you down productions? which was it consisted of us? One Scotland rocket myself. Then in the crew. You know how you have a crew. People just row with you. There was always. Miss Melodie. MC boo a gentleman. We called robocop manage mole. In I see I see. taught us. But but yeah, no, but that was like Willy de that was the core of the crewel but in terms of making records in producing studios just. Got My. Okay so. I guess, could you? Could you tell me of of of just the genesis of like the first album that you guys made together and. You know so. There are a few things to talk about with the criminal minded out The only song that I actually worked on with the group was South Bronx and South Bronx was done by mainly by Scotland Rock. And that was my first time being in the studio, we were at a sixteen track studio and Queens. Can I add something. that was the most evil intro of all time, and I always tease you about this because. I know that you you know obviously. You give sat up, but you're you're you're intro? Scotla Rot. Like. We always as a kid. My friends were always like you know. Denies is a village man. We image of you being like slightly whiplash from. Meanwhile Skinny Kid. Like. I was like Oh. You must be the bodyguard. I. Definitely. Think. CARE is probably would have prefer me being the bodyguard the anytime. No, but no, when we made criminal minded like like I, said I only worked on that one particular song. With Scott you know and that was my first time in the studio first time sampling like anything you know that was. That was a fantastic moment for me in in during the course of course and the funny thing about South Bronx. I didn't even have a rap name. I didn't have a rapping until the end of the song. Like literally. I told them to call me the ice. Accidentally. Ninety nine dead serious literally like. Are you going to be dice? I was going to dice. Instead of denise. So. With With the South Bronx I've heard. Stories of what was the involvement? Would said Gee or policy at the time like. 'CAUSE I I've heard said gee say a co-produced. Criminal minded I've heard policies. People saying at well. I provided the drum patches that said Gee had that. I, mean just at the time. Those guys around or Policy thing this is new to me. Okay, you know a met Paul. Shortly before he passed I, didn't know him that he was never in any of the sessions that I was a part of. said. So here's the thing man like as you know like a lot of in in this is no disrespect to said, because said was truly there and said no revisionism isn't hip hop especially with alleged so yeah, you know like he definitely did drum pro rat programming, but sometimes people mix producing with programming the drumbeat. In, said a lot of program, and a lot of the stuff was used a lot of his gear was used to produce those records, but I wouldn't say he produced criminal minded I wouldn't say that and I don't think he would say that. Did he program a lot of it? Yes, but. You know he wasn't. He didn't do bridge over I. was there with south? Bronx I was there with. You know a lot of those records I think for some reason like. I don't know where. The like is in the real world. May quote, making the beat is just arranging. Yes, right, but not in here I've heard you know you know off the wall, masters, you hear Rot Templeton giving people like instructions. I got. You play those cal three one two three so obviously. Rock. HIPHOP terms brought timber ten. We get credit for three songs because like you hear him. He made giving instructions right and I don't know how I guess we producing. It's like you have to. The entire project and decide what's good and what's? Bad but I it doesn't work way though I. Don't think is hypothesis. Producer. You think beat maker and you don't really give consideration to the person that may have actually brought to completion than and I mean isn't in the quote, Unquote Railroad. The producer handles the budget the book in the studio in hiring all the music and. Oversee, you. You'd like to executive producer though right. Genre. I think. Class, okay. Yeah because. No No, no I mean I consider myself a producer, but. You know I only see it I only take it to the fifty yard line because I hate doing vocals. As we always say. I don't. Necessarily have to do vocals to be a producer I think you're more so the producers. The person gets the final say so if you get Steve, whoever cut vocals and then at the end you come in and say okay, that's the one then that's it you the day like I, might give Steve Like produces credit for sitting there for nine hours and figuring out. What's the wait? We're not starting to fight Li- you. I'm sorry. Okay? Hypothetically, you've gotten credit on Slough I mean the. Conservative hip hop producing is known as bringing the beat making the beat, and then you've got a producer for maybe the whole album to produce album, but each song is produced by whoever made the Pete in rock music. Other music producer is is the producer of the whole project album all the songs he may not have played one. No, he may not have written anything. He's producer that's that's the distinction cam there you have it. Continued! I love. This is great. No no disrespect to said man, but that record was produced by Scott Little Rock. My opinion so okay well since you were there for the South Bronx always wanted to know. Being as though you guys were. Okay, so that was done I believe October of eighty six. I remember the last half of eighty six south. Bronx was done yes. You guys could have laid claim to the first people to use James Brown's funky drummer. But stayed. You just used the snare like you. You cut up. Yes, but individual drums like no one thought at the time like Yo. This is going to be break go. Why don't we just use? The entire break or was it done on espy twelve, which only holds like four seconds in done on an SP twelve down, so that's why you get just just truncated. and. That's why there's a guy because we use funky drummer. Guy Playing James Brown the same guy to engineer. The record is actually playing guitar plunging. Engineered it the same dude. We don't use his name. His name so we did everything you don't remember his name. Help I mean at least cut it because it us a check bill number one sixteen at the time. So, where? Were you round for the I'm not bill sugar. These are bills. We're here. Oh! I. Don't get paid either so. That's why he's on. My second glass. Here he's starting to so I'm napping already things? Did he brotherly love brotherly Around for the first round of BDP ISM. The kind of we got to advance pre. Free. Twelve forty, one forty one, so that was the twelve forty one was let me that was the name of the that was the name of the group twelve forty one that I didn't know. Yes, yes, that was the the fresh prince kind of sound. Sound like a PSA like just say no to drugs. Yes twelve twelve, forty. One was the name of the group when Scott was a DJ dance deteriorate like very old school New York Club. Here's a DJ and he's going at midnight. And then he told me the story of why I don't really remember but. The name of the was twelve forty one and I wasn't one of the sessions I went to when I was just hanging out with Scott was to one of those records advance. Event That was like feel huxtable tight wrap. It was horrible. which probably explains that's probably what in my mind. That's what they played Mr Magic knowing about. Something also say it again. This told us something else. They. Have a tell us. Thing. There's like eight other songs so. I can tell you right now. None of the songs on criminal minded was played for Mister Magic. I can tell you that I think that providence successes the word successes. The word was twelve forty one, and they probably played that song, but I know for sure I was in almost every one of those sessions. And I know those weren't the songs that was played for magic at the time. So, what was the difference though because? The eight songs that were kind of twelve forty one. No. And then you know, was it the anger of revenge that spark them to like Yo. We gotta come with it or because there's clearly a difference between. For our listeners that that don't know. The legend of Boogie down productions Basically in in their Their entry into the world's at least for us. the South Bronx and the bridges over all these songs sort of heated responses to Mr Magic who scoffed at them in a rude manner when they played their demo for and I guess that anger prompted. Kind of a joker esque way. They get a load of me kind of. Response, but I mean the music improved. Tim Thousand percent, so what was I, always wanted to know. What was the difference? Or what happened in the creative process that? Turn. The twelve forty one woods wasn't good to. The you know the blueprint of what hip hop would follow for the next twenty years with. I know what it was in terms of production. And at the time we would hear like there was this new wave of hip hop coming in eighty, six, eighty, seven. You had eric being rock him like. Biz But technically you guys were first, so, but we heard those records though even before they came out. Your News Demis. Yeah, we knew what was coming with. Marley everything that Marley was doing was extremely important to to our L.. That's like even though we had this beef with the juice crew. The juice crew help brand bdp in terms of the sound samples Marley. Had you know the bridge clearly? The bridge came out before South Bronx. And that sound that he was doing with so hip hop and so raw in like you know in, you know we kinda loved it. I remember being in the studio with Scott. And like I said we were in sixteen track studio in Queens, and even the way that. He was like sampling. These records was just different from me. You know like I didn't know anything about being in the studio and I know for sure that he wanted to record. That would compete against the bridge like he wanted that. Totally there was no lyrics for South Bronx it was strictly about the way that record felt Scott wanted to be able to compete with that and he was thinking from like a DJ perspective, not not not to get all deep with it because it's not really that deep. It's when we were in that studio. I remember. That's what he was playing and that's what he wants to compete against. How long did it take to make? Where you guys! Seventeen our mix or was it like three hours? Blameless to. Say. The entire album probably took. If it's ten songs I'm not lying we. It was done I mean clearly you can hear it because this. She's old school, but it was done in ten sessions. Like ten sessions to make from criminal minded was made for under ten thousand dollars for sure okay under ten grand South Bronx. We went in there. We did that song in that at this guy. Probably pay like seven hundred and fifty dollars to make south, Bronx. And he played on it and he engineered, and he did everything who who was the president of. Was it robby records. So Rock Candy records was. Man we can we really talk right now. Chris Rock Candy. Records was a record company that started as they sold pillows. Remember the pills they used to sell like on the corner like the big stuff pillow. So? They used to make the pillows and they were all stuff with like shredded denim. So, the table on the album cover of criminal minded was also a table used to make the porn because they used to shoot porn. I? Won't Let. This company was definitely like they were a small company. Go Rock Candy, but in their weight dude, and this gets better than that. It was like this Muslim dude. There was a Jewish guy who funded a lot of always. Listen, they made they made porn. I'm not making this up so. There's like I'm GonNa you to link to. A video of Scotland Scotland rugged performance out. Bras Chris couldn't make it. But. Why would performing South Bronx? You see these pillows on the side of us. SALE BILL IS GONNA. Damn. Interesting a Muslim and Jewish man coming together for such A. Back. On this. Man Serious. So. That was right then. What was be boy wait? You gotta go for. Who made the the? Deal to get with these guys. I mean there's no our records. There's we couldn't get deals. I'm telling you the real. Weird Renner never tell you all of this. Yes, he hasn't there. Yes, the real deal is Scott Ni- walking down the street. We were like I don't even. It's like on near like well. You're not from New York, so there's A. Like an old courthouse on the grand concourse, we were in that area. And Scott so you had this newspaper in the back of it have all of these companies? So Scott we had no cellphones. None of that Scott was rock candy records, and he got the number from from a newspaper like some industry like newspaper called set up a meeting I was on next phone, talking to this chick, and this is an importance of it. I know I'm going we van. Conversation, he fall down rabbit hole so in that one that one particular moment of him, being on a phone. Setting up a meeting to meet with the Rock Candy People. I was on the phone, just talking to just a friend of mine. I was fifteen years old at the time. Just I so crazy man like I I didn't want to stand. They're not doing anything and I wanted to be like. If. He's on the phone. In that conversation in that moment of like talking to this young lady, nothing flirtatious none of that, her dude grabs the phone from like. Hey, I know you're trying to talk to my girl. When see you I'm GonNa, kill you. Making this up. In that one conversation where we worked out this meeting to get with Rock Rock candy records. I had this conversation with this young lady, and the reason why I say I'm jumping the gun right now this conversation. Because that is the conversation that I had was hurt with her. Was the reason why ended up having issues when we had records out with some random? Do Rolling up on me. That pulled the gun out on me. You had no idea why he was pulling a gun on me like you were trying to talk to my girl. fucking kill you. And, that ended up being the situation that I was in that cost Scott his life. So both seeds were planted at that moment in net very moment. Never talked about this I, never even thought about that until now. Yeah, yeah, in that very moment. Damn. Wow. Sorry, I gotTA. Take a moment. This cassie at their participant. Are you stuck at home? 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He said Scott was DJ dance area. was he a legendary new DJ by that time or not at all he. Danced terrier is a high reputation. Nightclub Jelly, Bean Benitez was. A DJ Madonna frequent their lot. Yes, that's where. The artist of Muscular Basquiat in basket, and all this like. How did he get a Giga dance area? So Scott used DJ at a club uptown in New York or Broadway International. So Bro into National New York City was kind of legendary, and it was one of the first clubs to allow people to just play hip hop, so dance deteriorates Scott was he wasn't 'cause you know early on people were we had no specific. Music that she wanted to just play like you played music. If it felt good, you play. That's why I know all of these wrecks DJ now. Because it was just about the groove, so Scott was probably an opening DJ at a place like Syria but at at Bro International. He liked that was like a night that he did so. They knew him from that but yeah I was too young. My first club ever late I ever going to a club with. Latin quarters. There's just. Have a story about I. I actually do get the fuck out. July wonder. They're mocking me because. They think I might add believe it. What's so fucking? They think that I have a Latin quarter fetish but I know that history is made at the Latin quarter. That's why I purposely didn't mention. L., word. I, don't. Go there, so it's cool. Hang Korda's man. What this is all right, so I have a question reflection. Have you been to any of these gigs with with with Scott got a DJ No, no never even too young I was. I didn't know him at the time. Okay, so by the time I met Scott. I need to stop. It was strictly focusing on making the BP records, and what's the age difference between Scott at the time? He's still seventeen. Yeah. I was I was I was fifteen when we met and Scott was probably like twenty five. Well, he pass the twenty five, so Scott was. Twenty four at the time. So? Yeah, okay, it was a kid which is so crazy like a year. Though that's crazy, too, because you basically saying you mayhem a year. I was involved in his life for one year. She's. Changed, my life man I, you know. I don't know where I would have been without Disease Scotla rock. Price deal which you know for sure is so getting to the regularly. We'll see like. Was the first one guys chose. and. while. Certain that it was a low in deal, because it's you know because they had pillow pillows. Throw pillows. No it was. It was a was the artillery at least real on the cover of the album. No, no, that was real. Oh! No that was. That was never for me all of it. And water guns the guns on that cover, and also the UIS E on a on on. Yeah that was real. WE AIN'T GONNA say we're we're. Okay I just. I WANNA. Know that that much. Limitation so once these songs are made. What is the testing ground to see? Like, how things go viral at that point. The ten nineteen. How things go viral so? In New York City was. It like in Park Jams in specific was like. If you tested a record at a park jam, and if people rocking into it, that was it now. There are two moments that I clearly remember. One was Scott night back in the day. Before MP threes, they would have what's known as an Acetate and play? Just we just had we had like twelve of 'em. Twelve to fifteen of them pressed up and matter of fact, it was like we went from Tom Coyne Tom. Of known man, we can talk grow home like every record that we've we ever recorded was done by that. Do He mastered everything? A. Dairy tireless our. Men, they mastered everything from the South Bronx. Hamilton threat so crazy, but we went from we had these plates done at a place on forty second street I can't even remember the name of it, but. We Scott Walk around 'til like Park Jams and played a records and I remember performing South Bronx. All I ever said on that. Reckless show subs Colorado. But we will go to park jams and because Chris lived in Brooklyn at the time. Actually no, he didn't live in Brooklyn. He lived in you. Know she lived in the in the refrigerator in the freezer. Of Rock Candy Records. Rocket and ESPN, third your. Reasons do wait. I'm not making this up. Chris. Melody Tim going back sorry. Do quite literally. Same got me thinking about. Poor so what? We made South Bronx in the same studio or the same office that they made the porn and shut. downstairs. A. Warehouse that that the officer was housing on on select the Cypress area of the Bronx. With Su Su nothings with what's the other? The other Strip club? You know what I'm saying. I don't a lot of foolishness going on over there anyway downstairs. There was a freezer in the garage, so. You it was a place where you house like food. You back the truck in or dead bodies. That's we care as live with Ms Melody Now was crazy about this. Is You know the rolling paper? Like when you do like big shipping. You use the rolling pay. No we laid down. As Carpet With their better near. That's where they lived and Chris had to be home at a certain hour before they close because once you're in. That's when they locked it up. This VP. Didn't have one should know once you're in you're in. In the freezer. They lived in the freezer. When you on so? shelter. It's strictly to sleep sleeping overnight. You had to be in a certain time and then in the morning. What time is it? Let out so in the morning. I mean I never lived in shelter. Just WanNa make day. But, no in the morning they had to get up. You know seven am and get out. Try to find a job or whatever, and then they had to be in at a certain time, so in the men's shelter care s just ice. ICU live there Scotland Rock was the social worker a manager mole? Who you know? Still One of my best friends and manage group was a security guard. There so that men's shelter was was extremely important to early hip hop. Do they not have families or like? I I'm certain that I know that the conditions in the Bronx with. Like in dire straits, but was just because they. Didn't have family issues or I don't know what Chris Situation was in why he was in the men shelter You know I couldn't tell you. Y You know I didn't meet Kenny. Parker until maybe like. When we did jackets vase. So it was around that. So Jack Espace came out. That meeting, we. Know Eighty nine. No, no, it was like eighty, eight, eighty eight, 'cause. It's super amazing to me that Like just in general like we're so dismissive of the home of the homeless. that. They're damn near invisible to us in society because I think a lot of us. Fear that that a lot of us are you know checks away to to to yeah, so it's it's hard to look at it. You know to look them in the eye and and deal with it, but it's like I'm more maize that. In general people didn't scoff and just be like you know like. You're almost like, but does the future of music. In in this situation so. It's amazing to me how they pull themselves out of their. Position, but isn't it amazing to to Scotland Rock was a social worker already twenty four twenty four years. Nash I WANNA I wanna take something back just I don't think just is live there. Just with friends I wanNA clear that up. How they? Thought they what I see, you definitely lived there. Chris definitely live there. You know how old at the time Chris was pretty much the same age as Scott so yeah Chris was roughly around twenty three twenty four years old man yeah. Yeah now mean. To them for. Changing their situation around, yeah, go from sleeping in the freezer to having a recording also, how were they able to learn? Because, let's not forget. They changed tips. How able to learn technology? And I these records like most of us have the comfort of Oh yeah, my mom and dad heavies records in our home by the like. Where the resources they have to know. To change things remember Scott was the social work. Okay, so Scott since I went to. College educated. He went to school in Vermont like Scott was always wait, he was. Yes. Yes, he went to remember which school, but he went to school. You went to school in Vermont. Scott was straight nerd like he would be sitting here doing this podcast with you like. Up nurse back then bro like we're, but he was a nerd dude. loved music that loved hip hop in Listen I've never heard of an interview I mean. Let me tell you man I'll tell you how much I love Scott. He was a nerve. We also anytime, something happened. We would figure it out, so I'll give give you a funny story. First Time ever been on a plane after south. Bronx out was. The first show was in Rochester. New York. wd K. EXO in Superhero. Ono. Went. We doing a show in Rochester south. Bronx was the only record we had Do Crazy so we. We had no place to stay. It was a one way ticket. Then have a flight back. We're going to do this show and it was great. Lost Virginity at this show. I'd. Shoes extremely important. Recall Bill. Rochester. Cop just got. We went to the show we before. We did have a hotel room, so the guy that brought up his name was Scotty. I remembered his man like crazy, so scotty I can't remember his sister's. Virginity to. Okay. So as crazy as Scott we flew into. He brought a young lady with us, so it was it was s got rock myself in this young lady and the guy that produced the show brought us. He asked us to his house so in the middle of the night. Not This guy in the middle of the night woke up. She was Super Christian. I. Found out that there was a young lady. Stand with this Yoshi walked around the house and she had like the holy water. Crosses on our heads. What and she told us to get out of her house. Only, the young lady could stay so. We had no place to go. We had no money. Me Scott says dude. We broke into a motel six. Oh! We broke into a motel six. In the three of US state in this one room Scott slept in the bed. Care slept on the floor I slept on the desk, but we knew we had to get out of the room before before they came before hundred became, so we get in the room like literally broke was a motel six so out. Until you crashed the windows. No kick through the door. To stay in. Not crashed with. Young Man I thank Y'all y'all y'all went through the fire to make my life easier. Social worker the fifteen year old and I can go. Toward support. Check rider we didn't have. No so. The the story is better though. After, breaking into this hotel room, we, we left like five or six in the morning, and we fell asleep on these steps, and it was the steps of a school and I swear to you. The three of US woke up to like these little kids throwing candy at. Why do we? S- crazy. Would you say you did last night? He's broken a million dollar, okay? Come a long way. Psalm, the Psalm. Psalm. Throw Candy Adam. Thousand! Dollar balls okay. How did you guys? Organiz shows IMOs early days when you didn't have. A ten song catalog to perform for the audience when you only had. Three songs like. Would you just go back and forth or big beat for twenty minutes or Somebody. Say Ho like how did you? You only had a little bit of vegetable in in meat, but you needed a lot of broth. Like what was it? A Show Backman for twenty minutes I'm sorry. Sports. Metaphor first of many. We know there. We didn't do a lot of freestyle stuff at all. You just do one song, and that's it was. We did the one well. We always had two songs, so we had South Bronx in the peace free. So that was my involvement so I was right. You're the TR eight Oh eight. Yeah, I was doing the beat box on the peace free my first time and pro. No, no I and I think the second time beat boxing was on no Rozelle by the way not. Only beat box onto records piece free in on a the bio means necessary album. There was a song. Oh, breath control! was that bomb these necessary. Needs that was on the blueprint. That is you desk dowse much. Damn Nice Nice, Nice! That was me with the sample. While he starts Charles and then it really. Is that Duke Ellington No, no the beat. You Ain't got. Gosh. is, hey, jude, who did hey you? The Beatles not the. Cloudy, the soul version Clarence. Clarence William the. Hundred St. Street naming. Our which is going to. Pick version so I sampled it is. Working Oregon. Okay! So that was that was a Wilson? Pickett version, of hey jude nice okay, okay, so okay. I gotta get to the rivalry part so. You know, are you guys? Were there, any meetings between not meetings, rivalries, or or whatever between the juice crew. You guys after that initial meeting. Like because New York hip hop community small so. Surely there has to be a running or two. So with the juice crew I don't know what happened. Before I I was involved with the group so I I really part of South Bronx I didn't understand because I. You know I wasn't there to experience that first meeting. That Charissa Scott had afterwards. My best friend was into juice crew. Instill still one of my best friends day Big Daddy Kane. So before. I'll still used to give out. Came was always came with my dude like that was I. Mean He. he actually helped care move into his first apartment. So even though we had this rivalry with the juice crew, it was more about records in anything I mean. There was some animosity there because talk about it at all it was. We never had those conversations so at least I was never a part of those conversations I don't know if Chris did with magic, or but no, we it was strictly about records, and so there's this magic Shan versus those guys. You Molly work with Chris. Man Like Molly was always a good dude in and the thing about me. Is You know back then and even now man I was always a lover of hip hop in producers like once I once I became involved with it. I wanted to know everything about the culture like everything. And when I met the players you know when I met Mario when I met Dougie fresh or like I was always a fan, so even though we made these records and bridges over I was still a fan of those dues like they walk into a room. I remember being in a club in the Bronx on tremont Avenue, and I was there by myself at this club and I remember when the juice crew walked in there was this swag about it like you know the see Shannon. Walk in with Biz in TJ Swan and it walking into do a show. She was crazy to me like it. Even though we were competing against them, they'll stay expected because they've really had crew. We didn't have a crew. Scotla Rod Cara. Resting up and my I. Thought Your ruled Tim Billion. Based on my philosophy video. y'All. Who have people. Off Effort pretty friends exactly. So I gotta go there what? gives us all right. There there's a nightclub or in midtown Manhattan. We've. Heard about it was called the Latin Gordon think I have been there before mint. So. For you. Can You just give a general synopsis of reopen the Latin, quarter? Speak Documentary about it. No, no, no, that's one of the Docs I wanna work on is is on land because it was such first of all, I had no idea. It wasn't until two thousand like roughly around two, thousand, five, two, thousand, six, I was at a buddy. Chris, Lady's House and we were in the backyard, playing basketball, and we talked about the Latin quarter I had no idea that it was a juice bar. Like they serve no alcohol way listen, there was no alcohol serve at our parties. Nobody has said this or doing that hip hop era during the hip hop era and Nice, no, that's so when Chris said. Yeah, it was crazy. It was a juice bar. Like what are you talking about because I was young I was in there when I was like fifteen sixteen. They serve No. So all all aggression. We dues probably get nice before club in the way hip hop made them feel and when I tell you that this club was this club was everything. This was the Mecca of hip hop at the time. You know like everything changed from this club. That was the first place we ever played south. Bronx was the first time ever heard Eric Rock Him. Matter of fact, it was the first time that I met Mike Tyson, so here's Mike Tyson, story. Our. Together! Tyson was beast. We were all young young. Do like so we walk our Mike Tyson by this point Oh. He was Mike Tyson, but he didn't have the belt. Six I mean oh six. Too, much. Accuracy Eighty six. Eighty six so I remember walking into the restroom to. Fight a little nice right now in Little Buji so I walked into the bathroom. To the bathroom. And Mike. Tyson was next to me taking a PISS. This. Is this real shit right here? Mike accidentally stepped on. A dues stepped on sneakers. Who Know who was like? Yo You stepped on mushroom? Bob Blah and Mike hit him one time. In the bathroom and then stepped over him. Exit the back link, no lies. was there. Are No words. Nothing anything. You see this dude out. Over him, we walked out. We have another Mike Tyson. Punch, somebody story, swear to God. We have the Campbell's Chris. Naomi Campbell. I throughout the car. Did you. Because you know. She lived at the Latin quarter we have. Of. Since back in the freezer. Freeze it until those. With the pillow. That none of that. Apartment she says like the. Cotton Club and whatnot up there, that's. An dumbo or Inside! She lived in the Latin Quarter O- with David Copperfield. Wait wait data hopper filled lived in headquartered, so the guy who owned the guy who owned the Latin quarter was a guy named Mike. I can't remember Mike's last name, but Mike Manage David Copperfield back then. He was making his money from from that some other things. Yeah, no, for sure man. Is David. Copperfield as I remember every time I see David, Copperfield Naming Vegas and like. I could make to. Wow managed disappeared to lend quarter. Doc Happen? No, that's crazy. I didn't know you obsessed. With the Land Gordon Man it was seen I'm obsessed with hip hop history, but I'm more I'm trying to figure out why because of. Okay. It's one thing for you to be like a legend or in the industry, and you roll with a lot of people like if you're carrying red, alerts, records or something kind of protecting human deejay booth whatever but I'm interested. The point where people were coming from all walks of life. To get in this club and you know you're chain could be could be. Going to the prison yard jackets, but everybody but everyone that sits and tells it Latin. Quarter story has such romantic. Of. Amazing stories like but people are getting jacked and fucked up here, but when you're a part of it, you don't realize that you got jack. You're. Just happy to be there like. Is it one person that just has a fuck? Lang quarter stories like I got I. Don't know anyone and I'm telling you I've seen a lot of shit happened in a line quarters. Here's another story, right? So. We're in a Latin quarters. And this is why the shit beat a juice bar so crazy. You cannot believe that everyone was fighting like this like sober. It was fight like this over dude like dude who worked at the front door. They call here d'Almeida after him like in the eighties. He's called son men. If you wait what? He was like he was like a rejected. His whole body was like a Wi- like an call them son man. Not Making this up MC search search search. Was There Michael? RAPAPORT? was there like this? He was bold enough to get go Michael rapaport everywhere everywhere. I'm not lying. You might report is the truth. People look sometime. They like you. Know he was there. He talks I swear to you. Michael Rapaport was there he was there the one skinny skinny kids anywhere in the Middle Hip hop party. report. Do here. That the doll, so that's the doll from back in the day. That's your. The Guy was the. Then! And, what was special POW? Letter before Zee's. Where Sun. Man, so, what do you do? Yeah, do so. He was the guy he was. He was the security back at the Latin quarter, so he let certain people in any way so once your side. You always felt safe, but not really. was at the door. How many people were at the door? Couldn't even I do remember son Man I remember son Man God damn. I have my phone. We still alive last thing no, but these dues as. This is too much rock by the way. We're going to be extremely honest. These, dudes! If, there was a fight going on in front of the Latin quarters and swear to God. They would lift up. The cars move the cars they would ask. It. Do! That was at the door and they weren't in full force. But. They weren't dressed like them. But they would like sweaty roll like move cars. It was crazy. Yoda landquart is by far the best experience I ever had in my life in terms of being in a club and just pure hip hop moments. There was a moment in accordance right. where a deceptive cons worth fighting against the A team say there was the eighteen yet it was. Gone I never seen, so they were all. There were a bunch of dancers that can fight well. Really. Three. Three. Go. This a fight well by the way if you still notice. This moment was so crazy, so we're in the club. I don't know why they started fighting I. Just Remember L. had his big cool j Ring Oh, so you noticed story? I've heard of this story. The story I was there. I sorta fights happening. I was safely in the Deejay booth with red, alert or red alert listen man. Red Alert is an old g Chris Lady Oh Jeez. Elo You can say what you want about licking his lips. J. O. G. Man. The phrase happened. People were trying to like. Trying to rob ll pretty much. What this was I'm telling you. It was like the wild wild west Bro, so the lights own, but with dancing with. The. Dude. It was crazy in all of these sections of people fighting. Deceptive ause at. Regular Party go as. So everyone's fighting the deejay booth by. This crazy red alert was trying to jump from the move because it was on the second level, right, he was trying to jump the deejay booth. Lady was fighting Oh Chris Ladies Fighting Chris. Try and protect l., and Chris used to carolers records at the time, so Christmas fighting everyone's fighting Scotland. The deejay booth. I don't know if carriers was there. I honestly don't know but what I do know. Is this once once the fighting stop? Handle his word. Ella like I'm telling this one with. Licked. Wages! He handled his bro. Chris Lady was a beast like for real for real like. About Chris Chris was a beast. Chris Walk into the deejay booth and I won't forget this moment. He kept saying. My back is burning. My back is Brown. And he pulled his shirt off in front scholar. This deejay booth and that was the first I didn't know what reasonably slices. So, when he pulled his shirt off, and he bent his back. Everything just opened up. Crazy. Gloria late. Quite like. Glory sleeveless. I'll see you're saying that weapons would still get inside of with sun man at the door. Jamb, you son man. On the phone. Go. Crazy! Crazy I'm exhausted has. exhausted. Yeah, no I've seen I've seen some things. Man Land Court is man. They should definitely be a documentary on the land quarters, or at least like a fictionalized something. Details left-arm movie network. Definitely netflixing. Over. Dance. Out Graffiti. Already. The way that it is today where? You know unless you're a bonafide celebrity. I, E, you put a drake song on you know. Oh that streak or Does the new migos, or whatever maybe Cardi B. has a at least three or four second pass of. Playing untested material and you know, and that's our voice, and so it's like all right. We'll give it a chance or whatever Kanye, whoever's winning at the moment, but? You know. I hear that a lot of these songs were tested. At the Latin quarter and went off like gangbusters without people really knowing that like. You know these guys weren't celebrities, so it's like you're hearing. You're hearing rebel without a pause the first time knowing that. You didn't think too highly of public enemy's performance the year before it would never they first performed Tuck said that they had a horrible performance at the Latin Quarter. That really didn't go off well, you know. Mel was disrespected, but it's just sleep. Mel disrespected them to. Disrespect House like the Heckler at let go from what from different stories. We like hitting the back just if you whack. Mel You would try to skip the record in deejay booth, of Eden a particular act or you know he's he. Doesn't see DP. Because I mean by that point you mail was what he's. Thirty three, so it was like the new generation. was. I'm be like me trying to go to one oak right now like. You. Don't know me if you worry about what you're not. Way Where even crazy? So now. If, it's an all ages show where kids there. By kids I mean the kids of like whoever like are real root fan. Bring twelve or thirteen year old. Is think that we're now when the drake song. Drake! Drake's Oh my God like my drake trick. Check his awesome. one of the songs on if you're reading Marinus okay. Shut me, I mean. You got me. He's one of his hooks. Guys, he does it twice at the end, but when we do the look on their faces like they do enjoy the doors, right. Now good smell. Good, but it just you just don't. It's just. Made me feel old? Obviously they know this song? Listen to the story. India. Hook again. Look Man. Let's just look. What we get back to. More stores. I'm sorry we just needed Louis. J Dale Coffee please. TOFFEE! So. Why why did mel come up to you? Guys to pick a battle is because it was all about you guys or you know. Right now. Not Listening I love you. Back then I looked at him. He was a straight hater. Straight up, hater and in I'll tell you a story brother. were, and I remember it is clearly 'cause at the time. I was Medicare S and I was getting my first apartment and. Dawn Lewis. This is only. Wait a minute different world. Cosby people were coming to yes. Don Lewis was like my big sister. Don I love you horrendously where she now she's still. She's still making. She's in La, but no don dome was an. This is why I. Can I remember stories because of moments in my life where it was so important in pivotal moments. I had my first apartment when I was sixteen. I didn't have a bed used to sleep on these coats. I had a one bedroom apartment but I never it. All I had was a stereo system. A. New, music no, No bed, not a SOFA, not even a plate Hartman. Apartment, had like you know back in the data used to glue the the carpeted floor. Oh, just imagine no carpet and it was all have scraped. Your memories of that time. What part of new? York I was living in in Washington Heights. edgecomb avenue in like one hundred sixty third street and EDGECOMB. Right right by the bridge going into the Bronx so I, remember that vividly and going to the court as this one particular night and this night that I went to the quarters. Mellie Mell was there. Miss Melody was there. It! was you know regular rap show with like a thousand people on stage? You don't really know, but everybody wants to be on stage. Ratchet Apostles? Mellie Mel said Fuck these niggers. That Shit. We have South Bronx out. So when kerrorist performance poetry when he said, say something now. Thought, so he did that rhyme that night before poetry was done. We only have South Bronx out. So Mel set what he said and Chris was on the Mike and do poetry, so that's the one time of like free styling that I personally remember. Where Christmas say something now and put the might Mel's face and he said nothing. Kind of like when you asked me Romney earlier. And then he was like thought so in the crowd in crazy. That's the experience that I remember where I lost all respect for Mel I was strictly because even though I'm in a group I'm like. This is the king. His. Put No care was the kingsborough like the king of disrespecting early on. Was My land. These rhymes on standby and he had been. Outside of Literally outside of like black, thought and big Daddy Kane. I don't know anyone in to park to park. Had Rams fucking years will still hill to park records, and when we like ninety brand new joints, but those dues were in my opinion, true MC's. That was always prepared. Always something they always had something Chris told me he. He showed me a couple of here. At least four compensation notebooks, yes. The last he left the with. Lasting he left us. He says hey. I even got a black thought this. As you were right dishes for. Would have this record, so we have. No He's like he's like some next movement then was like he had. He had just in case. 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This was so crazy bro like. We're in the Bronx high bridge area of the Bronx just probably remember the exact street, but we're in a hybrid area of the Bronx not too far from Yankee Stadium. That's where I grew up. We in this area, walking down the street eight o'clock in the morning. A group of people rolled up on. Me had no idea who they were. And had this beef with them where they pulled the gun out, smack the pistol and ran off the first person that I call with Scott I went to a pay phone call Scott told them what happened and Scott already had this crazy day of locking himself out. Logging himself, not laughing at his death at all, but locking himself out of his apartment and hanging from a fire escape. His apartment climb into the window. This is one of those days like you said to be some dial. Back in the Bronx what you had to do so that's why that's why I'm like man. This is great. Life is great, so Scott after having that situation. I Call Scott up and he the one thing that he told me was look man. We don't need any issues. We only any issues. We need to squash this like it needs to be done. I'M GONNA. Come over. We're going to find the people make sure everything's cool, and our mission of peace was strictly about peace until. Until this one guy this one guy that we have with us. We called him Robocop, so he was the original guy. Not The one care is mentioned his on like I'm still number one, but he was the original guy that we work with he he also was like a security guard at the Latin quarters, but we didn't know was that he was the east side Repos. Wings. Crazy Shit. Here To do is just got nervous. I don't know we the eastside reaper so later on if you go William. Eastside rapists New York Darryl was his name I'm afraid. He's doing it right now. He got on the. Wild like. Anyway, so this guy was a hothead. Dude, you know and. So the mission of peace of like going to the Bronx to find these guys that that rolled up on me, became a mission of like will looking for trouble only because of this one person so he. We were at the projects hybrid hybrid projects in the Bronx. We're on one side of the street. K seven was there before he was k seven. He was in another group before that tk a so he was around there like we were I remember. This was one one way street. We were parked in the right hands. Right inside the projects have. Still Rock talking so slur? Little Bit, please. But anyway. Scott Ny were it was Scott. Manager Mole MIC BOO and the guy we call Robo. Cup Robo Cop went to ask one gentleman. Hey, we're looking for Blah Blah Blah. We didn't hear the compensation will always saw was whatever this dude said to him. Angered him and he picked in. He was like six, four six five. Do Pick this young kid up and just slam them now. which was that was a crazy moment, because if if it wasn't all about peace for them at that point, so it was like we were coming in. Just make sure we had no issues, but in that moment those kids were like this is all it's on. And while we were standing there maybe thirty minutes later. We're standing out there. And all of a sudden shots ring for thirty minutes number. We were there for thirty minutes like. After the fact, and all of a sudden shots can't shots rang from the roof and from the bushes, so our guy was hit twice. You Know Scotland Rock was hit twice shot in his head twice. Bullets literally wet past us. because. He was on the like I told you before. We were on the right hand side of the street. He was in the passenger side. They were shooting from the left side, so bullets went through. Pass all. To him, no less crazy. So, this guy gave his life. You know so. I never WANNA. Just when I when I talk about in a you know want to talk about the importance of like Scotla. Rocking the importance to me introduced me to music. He gave his life for me. Into this day. His son is like someone. That I loved it I. Try my best to make sure. He's always street because that's what his dad did for me. How old is Scott Junior? Scotla rock genius, probably like thirty two now thirty, one thirty two, because I always wanted I mean I've that Toll Skylark, my pride and joy joy always wanted to know what happened to okay. He's awesome man. What does he do now like producing music? He's been putting out like put his compilations. You know. Just, just recently you know we. We got together got him a new MTC. You know I'm a WanNa do things with him that his dad did for me. You know like if you want to be involved in music, let's do it like here. Use this gear. Have this come and get it? Let's make music. It's yours because that's what his dad his dad. gave me it's almost like. You have this this Guardian Angel that? Came into your life. Put All these things in front of you and said Hey do what you can with it like I would not have known red alert. I wouldn't have known care rest for sure he didn't like me. He didn't even he didn't even understand why God put me in the group. Matter of fact, way back to the original weren't. No Chris and I, weren't we? Bickering, brothers or like real like. It. For Chris when I think about it now as an adult Chris was probably angry with me. Because Scott lost his life. I was GONNA. Say Into I. Know The guilt you you had to to. Internalize still. I I don't. How did you to deal with each other talk with each other or After the fact. Or was it just a white elephant? You guys never spoke of and then like years later, it was like. I. Don't WanNa Call it white elephant. Chris definitely treated me a certain kind of way, so I was in the group one third member of BDP We did a show a third of the show I left the group. because. Scott wanted to pretty much be my dad. and. I didn't grow up with a father. I didn't grow with my parents, so anyone trying to have like that parental role to me was an enemy like I didn't want anyone you telling me what to do, and thinking looking back at as an adult now and as a father man do change my life. All he wanted to do is make sure that I went to school. That's the only reason why I'm not on the criminal minded album cover with. I didn't want to go to school and Scott said to me. If you don't go to school, then you can't be in the group and I said Fuck. This group I'M GONNA go sell drugs industry, and I'm going to be good, so that's the reason why I wasn't on the BP first album cover like the criminal minded album cover. It's crazy. 'cause I was GONNA ask. What is a fifteen year old doing touring the world touring the country. We've grown as men like. Where were your parents? The No, there were no parents I lived, slept on the floor and slept in the living room one so I and my grandma. My Great Grandmother was on the other Sofa and my cousin was my cousin's apartment. So from the time I was like. Thirteen until my till sixteen sixteen and a half when I got my first apartment. Or seventy got my first apartment I. You know that was what my life was. So you attribute being 'cause just by optics eight. You look like to be a very involved father. You have two girls, right? How do you? How do you think you became such a great father? If you didn't really have to be the best, parent. That, I didn't have. You know like I wanted my kids and still want my kids to be better than than I am and I want them to be great in my kids. Inspire me you know, and it was I know is directly related to the way I grew up. You know a grew up. My Dad growing up was bill cosby. In my mind for allowing huxtable, yeah, the huxtables like seeing that was like I wanted that for my kids I want my kids to have that experience. And I used to wear those ugly sweaters. All the time. You look at self destruction, video! So even though you have copy sweaters. Joints Bro. Did you produce that self destruction? Yes, I was an eighteen produced selfish. Okay. How many twelve hundred us because the beat switches every verse. So, did you? Punch the sample in for no, no I use the Pueblo San remember that no, so the Publiz on was a rack mount sampler. That would just loop whatever you had it with loop. It was your weapon of choice that was. So yeah, so I use that in a S B twelve hundred. Okay so I'm sorry. S B twelve, nine, twelve, hundred use the twelve. You was still using the twelve unit twelve, and in the first time, the very first beat that I made with the twelve hundred. I remember this 'cause I ki-. Novel came to us, and Said told Chris that he wanted to use BP. On the I'M GONNA. Get You sucker project and we're in. We're in Where's where's Ali from drunk? Shit I Lee was Ali from Ali Mohammed or by. Allie Kentucky we were in Kentucky Louisville Right we're in Louisville and jumped on the plane to go back to New York to go back to Sam. Ash bought the SP twelve hundred. Flew back on the road. And we were on tour with personally went to go get a we didn't have. I didn't know anything about FEDEX. I went to get this I stayed at this hotel. Never forget this. God Damn I can't tell you everything. Because I remember stand at this particular hotel with someone future wife. So we won't go there? We'll go there anyway I remove. This S we do I wanted to do and then going back on the road, and the first beat that I did on that B twelve hundred was from a sample that I bought while I was in London greedy, and it was degree g sample and we used to. We use that sample and I put the a sample. The drums drums. Last nineteen right? That's the Philip yes, yet with with the greedy. Gee, that was intro from that moment on, and then that ended up being a song that we did. For, the Jack of spades Phil I'm going to get you suck it. By the time he got by all means necessary What was the digging process like? Like you produce my philosophy, my philosophy so I. WanNa be clear about this I. don't even want to say that I produced my philosophy. That beat is definitely my beat. WHO found the samples? That's all me there you go. Yeah, that was all me. I used to go to to a spot called downtown records in New York City. I would go to the House of Oldies, and that's why I bought pretty much. Every record that I ever used the sample was between those two places and and I remember being in downstairs and. It was always big daddy Kane Biz was there. Busy all the time, so if you found like a sample. If you had a little bit of money. You will by every one of those records there so that because Biz would by the records. So that's the only reason why call me, D Nice isn't Colmey Biz Markie. because. I was smart enough when I found that sample was a compilation with the turtles with Flo and Eddie on that compilation in daylight had a beat off of that join when I found that we also did so steady B. Records so that's that's I found that I. Loop that Chris. The was produced by care rest right, but I'm telling you right now. That I found that saw them for joints off the let the hustle. Wrestling, so wouldn't that. was the battle of the bands I'm I yeah, right, so would that album? I found those I had I sample. All of that stuff in. Call Me d nice, which was crazy to me. The lyrics were call me denies. Let's I'M GONNA put it out there right now. Half of the first verse was written by Carris. Okay it was a song Chris had written me when I was like sixteen, and then I wrote the rest of it, but I did it on like an old B boy. Records are mobile boy compilation twelve inch. Yeah, it was like super fast. I. Want Everything fast. Everything wanted every regular sample had to be like a hundred and twenty beats per minute. I needed that house hip hop out house. Image. Even after I recorded the vocals, I had to speed up the tape like make it faster passing. Anyway, so those records I was sample records in in Senator Chris or not even bringing the Chris on the tape, and at the time I brought him. Brought him. The beet for I'm still number one. For my philosophy, and the beat for call me denies. And he heard the beef or call me denies and he said I. Don't like that. And then he took. I'm still number one. I had it faster rise. You know the original sample, right? He slowed down. I will give him that he slowed it down. He was like no this is it which ended up being I mean this incredible record you know. Call Me d nice the only reason. Why did that record was because I? After I did the beat in I. Pleaded for Chris, he didn't want it. The second person that played the record four was kid rock Oh. Woah, going to say you discovered him yes. I mean he was already doing his thing, but he was like an opening act of one of our shows in. Iraq could've been in BDP take. US. America great again. Tracing. Stories, too. But anyway so I played it for him, and I did call me D Nice Ba- lyrics to the beat, because I want him to know how he could rhyme on it, Gotcha so, and that's the only reason why I have to versions of the song because I did it for him I was like no, you can do it like this, and then when I listened back to, it was like this is actually pretty fucking. And and yeah man in ended up putting that out as my first single. Well so that was your first album so how to win? Did you officially leave BDP? The time from you when you left to put not your So. I don't think that I ever actually left BP. Had My music turnout extremely low at one show. I guess I'm not in a group anymore. We. We did a show at the palladium in La. And that was the moment that I realized like something's going on, but the moment that I realized I wasn't in the group was his sex violence album, and because he had any like these. People are not down with us. And that's that was the moment that I realize that I'm no longer with the group and honestly I didn't do anything that would warrant that kind of like treatment like wasn't like we were beefing. It was because I was never a yes. Man So half songs on like not that I. You know I don't personally think that I made a classic album as denies. A little confused with Hawaii was at the time. I was you know eighteen nineteen years old all women? I want some ass like so. My records reflected that my name is d Nice I wanted them to know who I was. Chris was so prolific with his music, and with his lyrics, and fucking motherfuckers up in fucking is up. You know in Chris Reputation, Christian reputation even in music of being a little disrespectful, but a lot. L. P. Elton camp, but yeah, so, but with Chris with with that moment. You know they say me. I didn't realize that I wasn't a group until those records in until the sex violence because I. I done all of these records for BP. which is so crazy, because in that moment, the only reason why I put out my own record, because I was on my deal was for twenty five thousand dollars to make an album, and at the same time tribe signed for half or quarter of a million at the time I believe, so they really never believed in me. In this crazy 'cause Barry Weiss, still like one of my friends now I see him, and I get it i. get what it is, you WanNa care s so I respect that, but we were never like I never had one of those deals or people to actually believe in me so even with call me D Nice I. Put Comedy Nights Out Myself. I went to the record I went to red alert had an Acetate and ask them to play it and read played for Vinnie Brown. Who Was the program director? And that's how that record came out. Four or five months later was because I was just aggressive, like I just believed in it. You know and you know so I never really had those situations where people like really believed. Had to force every situation, so I know you when you're next record when you did to the rescue, how was was it a little better than live? Video with twenty five to life was so right drastic. Drastic as video so twenty five the life. A me, even though I love the song shouldn't have been my first single off of the second album coming off of what I was doing in terms of. Trump's table total different. The problem was was record companies. You know like in people that that was like the first song that I did in the studio, and that Song Wasn't even supposed to be a single mom that I did because one of my closest friends at the time was in. He was doing twenty five to life, and he was to do that. When I was sixteen, he was a hustler dude took me to DC I was hustling with him in DC in paradise projects. Like I've seen all of this craziness. By the time I was like sixteen and seventeen years old, and the song was really written about him as my way of saying like. Not, even saying, thank you because it wasn't a thank you record. Story of. What he went through and you know. In. When I did the record. Jive immediately wanted to put it out loud so. Other video Darnell, Martin she ended up, being like directed a couple of movies. Would like the. Mary J. Blige movie on Bt. Did all of that. She was like nyu student. Oh I thought you meant. There was a marriage a blouse movie of the week like. No, no, the movie would like Mary and Q tip prison. She directed that. So she directed all of my videos, wow, but yet I always thought that was a choice for saying I thought it was dope blood. Yeah because I was very. He was just one versus abrupt hook. It was one long verse. Video is one of the videos where like. You know where my dad just happened to be in the room. Evan Gunshot thing happens. And, he looked at me like. Bullish. Always coming twice moments where like I'm late hip hop said. You know look alike, and then it's five video so crazy. 'cause that was like my first number. One MTV video that was actually my only number one MTV. The only one. Not even wasn't even supposed to be a single, nor the first person to short did a song with on the East Coast was me on that record. A second album was a song called. Check yourself short. Our tour and we were both signed to Jive and Jive had this idea of like? No, you guys should make. But when you think about it, no, we shouldn't may records together that that's not who my audience was. My audience was. People, not no disrespect, too short sodium, because short as an amazing man, but at the time coming from BDP people probably expected a little bit more than what I actually gave them, but I was I was fucking kid I may records that kids who listen to. I was talking about chicks I wanted to be hot in the streets. You know. I was a dude that was selling drugs in DC and came back to new. York and I wanted to be respected by these do so. I made those records where care at the time. Excuse me low hiccup because I'm drinking rock. Love Juice. Jesus juice I'm having over here. WHAT WATER! That wardrobe. Water. Wait forever, get. Real quick. Up You definitely come because we. Get to talk about the White House. Now, the second part of Your Life, no purposely leaving the other half. You live out just so we have no, because you're coming back, be the Sandra Bernhardt of of. Of course supreme just frequently. On record, you come back, right. I'm trying to sit in on every interview. Your. How did you convince soul train? To let you perform, call me denies live because. I never knew that was the your performance of that. When we finally went on soul train. As a Yeoman we're going to do. The same thing denies to. Were will make up a trat as if it were alive, and then we'll lip sing it, but it'll look live when it's on. Yes, on television, but we got that from watching you so why didn't you just do the typical lip singing? Version like so no one had done that. At that point, you're right. When when I had the invitation to perform a soul train of thought it all these years, I thought it was live. Know everyone was doing it. Live in and. Make some of them were, but really I didn't even know that special weapons. You Know Barry White. Special people got the treatment, but it was costly for dining at the time to do it back. You know gear and all that stuff so for the most part it was lifting. When I performed well, the night before or the day before I couldn't believe that you can do, you can fall in love. Is Say. What are you talking about? Perform this record. So I booked the studio session I went in. It was me my buddy. Tony Roussin who lived at the shelter at the time with with Info at Franklin, but he ended up becoming like my partner in in in my management company. We win in the studio. And I just did it live like I wanted to do I want to feel the way our performance. Was Great. We did it we did. The whole goateed is cody. that. Was You guys? Yes, act? Because I was GONNA. Say Yo you. That was the most hype. Run. So, we did all of that to studio with the next day gave him the track I was performing it and I was performing like it was yes, and talking to us, he was like wait. Wait, wait, stop stop. Stop Stop his Mike is live. What's going on? All literally stopped as? Having like no, duly, we did this last night. He said young blood. That's a good one. That was great though that's great. At the right time to flow, no, you didn't. Cagey produced. Katie produced time to flow in I wrote my own version, which was actually a mistake, though man I i. You know what. Trump was on fire at the time. I love that you asked me this by the way. Extremely on fire and we'd been friends even before. Any of those records came out, and I watched. I was fascinated by rich like I thought. was I watch trick, Battle Jay Z.. Jay Got Frustrated and threw Mike down and walk up stays. I'm not even lying to you. I've seen all of this in trach was like an Mc God to me so when we had a chance to do that was like my first feature. Ever outside of care rests. That was the first time ever performing another artists, but we happen to be real friends with me. Shock Him Latifah like dolls. They were my family. Apart flavor unit in work with shot like in work with Dana so doing which was great, the problem that I had was in is that I was so fascinated by like my relationship with stretch that I almost wanted to be that dude and I didn't rhyme I didn't run like myself. I wasn't that's what made me ask Yeah Yeah I was I wanted to Ramli stretch I wanted to be like that was top level than me and I. I wanted to be on his level instead of just being who I am, so there are some some mistakes that I had ended out. Actually I don't even wish I can change because I wouldn't be where I am right now. HAD ANYTHING BEEN DIFFERENT THE RECORD? I always like Jersey always underrated as an emcee, and you always like your delivery was always really clean, personal self destruct timeless. Yeah, like it was still works. Yeah, man, I'd always always. My mom liked the sweater in the self destruction video. Aj Lesser Hundred and Twenty-fifth Street back on day. there. 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Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

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Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

"So lately it's been hard out here for everybody literally every single person except all of the people that do not give shit that the Rony is out there or the people who love being introverted like they are just celebrating right now. But you need to check in on your introvert front or you're extrovert guys. We are not. They're having a hard time. Actually I'm actually not doing as badly as I could after well this weekend. Honestly I still had a ton of shit to do. 'cause my job at a bar with still ongoing and you got to deliver be. I mean I got to deliver me to people who were very clearly terrified of me and some of them win even give me a tip so cool thanks risking your life in the corona virus. I could catch fucking Ronie from you and you can't even give me a fiver but that even I even three singles something anything something. Yeah so I have been doing that and I have been writing notes for this and I've just been like fucking busy but after tonight I'm not GonNa have shit to do all and also we're going to. I'm going to be stuck here forever because there's a snowstorm because why not do. This mind is fucking snowstorm. Not Why not yeah? Why not? Times are weird guys. But you've got US WE'RE GONNA help you guys get through. You'RE GONNA listen to our bullshitting like Ha- Maggie Nassar hilarious. We're here to entertain you while you're a shut in and you know what honestly you could join in on the fun with us in turn this into a drinking game you could you could though. I mean we're drinking so like why don't you take take hot second? We'll wait. Pour yourself appear more wine or whisky. You know whatever you like to drink. We AIN'T GONNA judge you. Drinking white claws still ain't no laws. Clearly there are no laws town. There are kind of strict laws of like self quarantining but also there's no loss. Yeah like so if you are. There's no laws within these walls. Barium got it okay. I don't know 'cause yourself quarantining. Okay Yeah I mean I know you're right you're really good really now and in breast Show me what you've got show. May Watch you've qualified anyway. I would say at this point. You probably have your drink ready. You go why not turn this into a drinking game with us. I'm going to say I haven't even for it. I want to call it the today. Times are Extra Spicy Rock Candy. Podcast drinking game. Ooh I like it. I like it so you gotta drink whenever we talk about heroin. Yeah you gotta drink whenever we tell people not to touch children. Yeah gotTa Drink God you guys are GonNa be Shit faced before the end. GotTa drink whenever I do a really bad segue. You have to drink if we say Dick and or balls come on. You're GONNA kill them. I mean the the first three rules alone. They'RE GONNA die. So maybe if we use Dick and balls in same sentence you have to remember. This is the extra spicy. Yes Drinking Game. Sure so spice. Okay so how also journey? We talk about mad as reading since ninety spicy Okay okay drink every time that we make a stupid pun yet. Okay me. Not when ever we mentioned Dick or balls or balls maybe whenever we make a joke like a good Dick Joe. Could Dick Choke them? Good to that's up to your discretion you have to determine if it's a good Dick Joker not yup. Yeah there you go. I think that's all we need. Because they're gonNa be you guys are going to be Real Shitty. But here's the thing you're home right now and you can't go anywhere. Yeah this trump is you want. You're not driving right now. So and quite frankly. Ashleigh ain't got nothing to do after this. I however do have to go to work. You do have to go to work but I mean I can always sleep here and just go home in the writing but what I want and why I think both of us want is for you guys to messages you slide. Nordea's and tell us when you're real drug could just tell us about how you are when you're extra spicy when you once you get extra spice let us know spice you are was no. Hey feel about being spice. Yeah and we'll just have let's keep the conversations going guys and then you need to tell us which spice girl you identify with most. And that's the name of we did it. We did it anyway so now that you guys are all holding near drinking game rules. Yeah I don't know if we actually made any sense but drink with converse with us because right now we're all we got guys so we're here for you if you need to have conversations but for accompanying us on our booze journey tonight. We are drinking from Brew Dog. And it's still out. I've seen it in Oliver's so I know still on it it's called jet black heart. It is in oatmeal milk stout with natural vanilla flavor. And that's because we're talking about Joan Jett and the blackheart suck. Yeah Wow it took us a long time to get here. Yeah just realize that drink guys. Welcome to rocky drank again. Sorry you're weekly podcast. Bringing yes sweet treats from the world of music every time you're listening that's always a treat I think anyway I hope and yes this week. We are discussing the one and only Joan Jett to continue our tons on women's history month. Wow you know what fuck it? Leave it to the Corona Virus Bogart. Women's history is so we're here to bring it back to you guys with the one. Only Miss Joan Jett because corona might come and go but women's history month is forever. It is also where you're Maggie. I'm Ashley Wow we are fucking this up. It's been a week like nothing. Is the same guys drink? They're already sloshed. Yay Join US in Slosh fell. Will you as we divulge into the tail of the One and only Joan Jett? I have a feeling we're GONNA leave this with opinions. Yes we're going to get spicy arlene. Yeah Mary this is the extra spicy episode. Ruak Stra spice Over old spice. There's time for Rochester. All over this episode. Yup maybe like with a bear on it made me some chipotle Mayo. That is that is spicy mayonnaise. It is that is actually spicy. Manny's yeah all right. Let's get into it okay. So I kind of had to break this up into two separate parts because there's two very big sections to Jones life. There's the runaways. Yes and there is her solo career. Yes so the first half is going to be a lot about the runaways. In general okay with the focus on Joan. Yeah 'cause fucking runaways. Story is jacked up like that movie with secure storage. Kristen Stewart Chris. Kristen Stewart and Dakota fanning. Yeah and they played the runaways. Very believably I'm sure. Did you watch the? I never saw it. I don't WanNa see it same and I'm kind of I duNno Joan. Jett was like a main Consultant I guess for that. And I don't I from what I know about the runaways Very curious to see how this goes down. Yeah have you seen it new? Oh okay I mean when last week when we had our episode I Cherry bomb more about the runaways. Yeah Yeah we do a whole episode. Just on the runways. It's Fox guys but anyway let's get into Joan Jett yes herself. Miss Jet Miss Jet. Joan Jett is the indelible feminist a hard ass clad in full leather cover sneakers. She has spent her forty plus year. Career advocating for women animals and fought for their right to equality but it hasn't always been smooth sailing. She hit her fair share of bumps in the road and some of them. Don't make her look too good. And Eamon Challenge her image as a feminist mother Theresa who it all started on September twenty. Second Nineteen fifty-eight when Joan was born to Jim and Dadi Larkin. She was the eldest of three kids with a younger sister and brother they lived in winwood. Pennsylvania a suburb of Philadelphia. Her father. Jim was an insurance salesman. And Daddy was secretary. Truly the picture of Nineteen Fifty. S Domestic Bliss. Yeah sounds about right. Joan and her mother loved to go to the movies when she was a kid. Movies had a huge impact on her especially the movie version of the musical cabaret. She was captivated by its Campinas in innocent raunch which no doubt stuck with Joan and influenced her image and sound later in life that checks in nineteen sixty seven. When was nine years old? The family moved to Rockville Maryland. Here in Maryland Jones started coming into her own. It helped that she had some pretty progressive parents for the time they encourage shown and siblings to be anything. They wanted to be disregarded gender norms. Nice good parents shit. That's progressive very if shown wanted to be an astronaut. Ajab reserved for men than fucking. Joan was going to be a fucking astronaut. Nice with that attitude in mind. She started to explore music when she was thirteen. She asked her parents for a guitar for Christmas. She was surprised to find that her parents got her a sears. Silverton guitar which was electric. Oh that was what she truly wanted. Not In acoustic folk singer but something she could really whale on like Jimi Hendrix. She's like my parents won't go that. Wa- right mom and dad you did it by was being conservative about this. But sure I'M NOT GONNA say no. I don't WanNA give tourists in the mouth it an actual gift horse. Yeah sure sure. Joan drove her family bonkers that guitar playing the same thing over and over until she mastered it. And that's when her parents were girded the electric guitar all the recruits. Oh another drinking thing is if we say prager. Nance per Gannon aunt or starch marks. Yeah Oh God. I hope someone gets per Gannon Anton this drake time. She started taking guitar lessons but her teacher said girls. Don't play rock and roll and May Joan play folksongs. That's at the time. Yeah women could be. Musicians have great careers but there are always singing. Pretty songs in mousy voices on Acoustic Guitars wearing flowing. Flowery hippy dresses they CJ Michelle Balloon. Yeah but she was still kind of like that. She was still like the hippy. Long hair and beads. Yeah but she like. She didn't sound hippy. Dippy she didn't sound like Joni Mitchell. No no but to Joan. That image of the female folksinger was a feminist trope in itself. And if you weren't Joni Mitchell or Joan Baez then you're group Era Slot. And why was there? No Middle Ground That's when Joan realize the whole women's Lib Movement of the Sixties and seventies was basically bullshit. So she pretty much told her guitar teacher to fuck off and never went back. It's almost like any group of people that come together on a common ideal. Have very specific ideal. Yeah and if you try to move outside of that box a little bit well then you're not part of the deal are you and you can get the fuck out. You're betraying them here of a traer. Yeah and then you look at them but what about women's Lib and they're like It has to be this kind of women's Lib. Yeah or else it doesn't count. Unfortunately that follows with most premature everything movement ever young. I'm going with pretty much. Everything in the early seventies around when Jonas fourteen her parents uprooted and moved to West covina California a suburb suburb of Los Angeles. Covina's a real place. Yeah Oh why so? It's in my crazy ex. Kirch isn't crazy ex girlfriend. It's the police that the main character moves to Song West Covina and I'm like that's not a real place that's a real place. Well Shit they have big pretzels. Good for them right now. I WANNA go. That is something to brag about something. Have you seen my big pretzels joke? I thought that almost two calls Joel. Stern BIG PRETZELS L. Swayed him around on track. After the move Jones parents divorced. Oh West Covina could not save. The marriage should not now we know Joan went with her mother officially changing her last name to her mother's maiden name of jets so no Joan Jett is not a stage name it is her legit legal name Nice. I wasn't gonNA ask. I figured you'd tell me all right but it very much sounds like stage name. Yeah right it's just the alteration. Yeah if she was like Samantha. Jet Blue jet is a bad ass. Last name Ryan has two TS. So like la. In the early nineteen seventies was pretty bunkers place. You don't say it's still kind of a bonkers plays it was consumed with Hollywood in rock and roll in people just trying to make it in some way or in the midst of all this was. Glam rock which found a majorly solid footing in the L. A. Club scene particularly popular was a club called Ronnie Bingen. Heimer English disco. I can't say it without Rodney. Sure a real person was a major player in the La Music scene dubbed the mayor of Sunset. Strip he was a DJ for care. O Q and is credited with bringing Glam rock to L. A. Good for him. You know. That's a nice thing to put on your resume. I guess his his hair was awful. Though if your hair should be great I mean it was great for Glam rock but he liked just stayed with it way too long. It's like Glam. Rock is dead but not on my head. They go fun with that one. Oh God extra spicy so spice spice the English disco was a haven for weirdos outcasts. And that's exactly why Joan was drawn to it. Although she was only fifteen years old Jones started going to the disco often networking with the strangest of the strange and a lot of famous names to and this is where she met another young girl named Kerry chrome carry was only thirteen. Is that her real name? I'm assuming so because that is even more bad ass and Joan Jett. Yeah carry chrome spelled with Kay's Kerry chrome. Yeah that's more was way more. Bada not to not to take from Jones sped ethnic but the carrying Rome's pretty good. Yeah Joan Jett and Kerry Chrome bff's solvent mysteries all right. We both went there. Good Good Carey was only thirteen at the time. But she was a regular in the club circuit and an Insp- an aspiring lyric writer. The two tried writing music together but quickly realize the spark wasn't there and became good friends instead. Still the fire was lit under Jones ass and the idea to start an all female rock and roll band became her mission. That's pretty fucking red. How will does Joan at this point? Fifteen oh Jesus yet like wire there are all of these young and all these babies just around the bar scene. Okay Kerry introduced Joan to a guy named Kim Foley and a boy. Kim fully is a poor person. Kim Song rank just fucking just drink half your fucking cup get the fuck right. Kim Saw something special in Joan and set out to make Jones stream of an all female band come true but he did but before we get to that. Let's dive into Kim's troubled history shall we? Do we have to? You need to understand who who this guy I know but I don't want everybody else needs to know y'all need to know about it. You shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Kim made his name in the Glam Rock Club circuit. Just like Rodney Bing Heimer. His name wasn't half as cool though he also had another name and that rhymes with maximum abuser does cool but of course those things were kept hush hush and people just said he was eccentric in actuality he was praying on extremely young women sexually abusing them and in most cases raping them. Rad Dad. He's just a Rad guy. He doesn't even get the distinction of being a dad. He's just a guy I don't know if he s kids I don't think it. Does he ever had kids to give you an example of how gross he was he wants took out an ad in an La Zine called back door man. Oh come on in it. He said he was basically looking for an underage sex slave to quote if you are eighteen and like it or if you are under eighteen and legally emancipated with paperwork then you may have just stumbled upon the opportunity of a lifetime. I demand a blonde blue-eyed sex dog a modern. Brigitte Bardot with no sagged out to stretch marks starch marks starch marks. Drink Brown hair and Brown is tolerated only if it is massively tinted with biker MAMA VIBES SURF. Stink is most appealing. What WOULD SURF STINK SURF? Sti Surf stick just like a Sandy Vagina. Sani butthole small bass swap. It might be swamped. I don't know why I didn't. I could not bear to Google. Search stink couldn't guys. Can someone cancel. Might be tipsy right now. One for the team. Google Surf Stink and let us know what it is. Thank you. It's GONNA be horrible. No pictures please no pictures. Pictures Kerry chrome unfortunately was one young woman that Kim exploited by the time. She met Joan. In Nineteen seventy-five Kim was routinely raping Kerry considering the culture of the mid seventies rock and roll scene. His abusive teenage girls was an open secret. That no one dared whistle blow. I don't know why I mean. Nobody likes this guy right but it was time. That's new for could excuse. Hey drink don't fucking touch kids like don't rape anyone but don't fucking touch kids. Yeah and that's like that. How is that not like if you meet somebody who touches a kid and you're not like a kid but also why was it so accepted like why everybody knew that he only went after women? Who are under eighteen? Yeah say they probably would see a girl who was like fifteen walk into the bombing. She doesn't stand a chance against him. No because that's just what I don't understand why if nobody actually from everything I read. It seems like nobody really liked the guy. He was very difficult. Very fucking weird. Oh yeah nobody liked him. So why was everybody completely okay with him? Raping Teenage Girls Rich. No I got nothing I mean. Maybe he had like one or two hits that he was a part of so. He made money off of them from the sixties. But they weren't anything like crazy so I don't. He didn't have a TON OF MONEY. That doesn't it doesn't make sense. It makes fucking sense like when you have power get it. But you're I don't see how he had any power. The only power he had was that he was dumb enough to just stick his nose in every single music person's business spending women and force himself to be a part of it so that they had to like except him just accept that he was there and he was part of it. I'll use that fucking guy. Yeah he was like that guy in college. That would like somehow weasels. Way into like your game nine. You're like how the fuck did not get here. None of us like Chad. Why is Chad? Here's what we always pick Chad and I'm sorry to Chad's let's pick a different name. Why is Tim always here? There's too many good tim's out. There was some bad tim's to now how about Douglas Jerry Oud Sherry Jerry. That's a good on. Why the fuck is Jerry here? Who INVITED JERRY? And everyone's like is share. Why is he here? I don't know and nobody likes him out. Fuck and hangs around like nobody has the heart to be like. Nobody has the balls. None of us had the balls in college. You can't you just can't sit with us. Yeah nobody had the ball go. Full Gretchen wieners on them. And then when you date. Everyone's like why? Why did you? You're being rational because I did go. Fokker Tim Weiner on somebody wants and I got an I became the asshole. How did this backfire on me? Yeah I'm just saying exactly what all of you have said behind their back. Five hundred time cool. Yeah they non fire. And that's why Kim Fowler's felt Foley I don't give a shit alleys foully Foley. Fowley doesn't matter. He's an asshole care. He doesn't get to have his name said properly. Wayne is that's motherfucker. Get to stick around is people. Just don't know how to be confrontational and say look man. No he likes you and if somebody does stand up like other people shame how nation like hey man only iota. He's raping underage girls and he's doing something that was beyond deplore. That's fucking S- GUSTA. Yeah Oh fuck yourself. Joan has repeatedly said that she was never touched groped or in any way molested by Kim fully. She still maintains that they got along. Great and worked well together. I'm not sure that I believe that entirely. But Nevertheless Joan took him on as her manager and Kim set out to recruit teenage women for her bands in. Maybe maybe he didn't touch her me this type arguably yes. She was not stink. But here's my problem. She very much knew what he was doing. Hundred Bird area much knew what he was doing to her friends. Oh Yes oh yes she did and that is where my big problem with Joan? Jett comes in. Oh yes and we'll get into that farther down so we can you take that and sit in your lap and some kind of hold onto. It had it for a while and then we can pop back out all right. The first to sign on was sandy west. She was also fifteen years old and play drums. She and Kim had met a few days earlier at the bar at the Rainbow Bar and grill in. Kim was impressed with her. He got her phone number and pass it on to Joan the next day. Joan took four buses to Sandy's house so they could jam together shit they connected instantly and on a whole different level that right there that jam session between Joan and Sandy was the beginning of the runaways. Hell Yeah they recruited a basis by the name of Micky Steele. Mickey was a little older around twenty when she joined the band but she didn't stay very long. Write these days. You might know her better as Michael Steele the basis for another all female rock band. The bengals I'll that's right I do remember learning about that That's crazy. I totally forgot about that. They replace Mickey with California Surfer Girl. Jackie Fox Jackie was another fifteen year old that Kim discovered when she was dancing at the rainbow. God wait a minute. California Surfer Girl Surf Stink. Oh Gosh goal run away. Oh my God that's why they're the runaways here. Cut Make me bird so I can fly far forever away from here. She didn't even know how to play Bass but she wanted in with the band so badly that she learned overnight. Oh Shit well that's awesome. She still wasn't very good but she had the look and Kim liked her. But but I mean here's the thing to her credit we to fuck in just like I'm GonNa Learn it and maybe she wasn't great overnight but I'm sure as time progressed. She got much better honestly. It's not like all of them. Were fucking VIRTUOSOS. They were still teenage ladies. Exactly so yeah. While the girls like the idea of being three piece it was obviously Joan was still way too shy to sing lead vocals. They searched for another girl to lead the band and found it. And Cherie Currie fanning and I do believe it's Cherie. Oh Okay because that is how Joan pronounced a in the documentary bad reputation that I watch tonight soom she would know yeah and also. Suri has a twin sister named Murray. Oh my gosh so this makes that Sharia meringue Cherie and Marie her. Mom's a real shame the fucking worse. Cherie Currie already knew Joan. Because they ran in the same. Glam rock scene. Kim brought Cherie into audition telling her to prepare a suzy. Quattro Song but chemical. Joan didn't know how to play the one she prepared. So Kim and Joan wrote a song on the spot for her to sing within twenty minutes they had Cherry Bomb Ryan and Cherie nailed it. Yeah you'd know that if you listen to last week's episode welcome. It was obvious that she was the perfect blonde bombshell to front the band so she was in sandy then found lead afford a sixteen year old guitarist to play. Lead Guitar. Thus the main lineup of the runways emerged Sui Joan Jett Played Rhythm Guitar And then leader was need. We are tar. Sandy was bass. Drums are seniors drums. Jackie was based Jackie was base. Then Suri was vocals yet. Wow five chicks. That's like five people in a band is a lot. That's a lot like anyone. That's like a five piece. I'm like damn five piece nugget. It's a lot going on there and it's a lot of meat. I'm Hungry Hungry House nuggets. They started playing club gigs around. La Gaining a pretty good following worked on an album. In late nineteen seventy-five their self titled Debut Album was released on June first. Nineteen seventy six by then they nabbed a record deal with mercury records and that deal included another one with Kim Fowley which basically gave him complete control over every aspect of the band. Get THE FUCK. Outta there which also makes me think like if Jones on lake this feminist bent and just wants like an all female women empowerment kind of thing Why did she give him flake? Such control. Over the band's I will see this? She was younger she was it was the seventies. Yeah in this might have been what she thought was the only way to do it right. She might have not seen any other avenues. Which and I guess. He was on the things that we did in our teen years early twenties. It's like I thought this is one of my could. Do IT TURNS OUT. I could do other than yeah and I guess if he's not trying to fuck with her then she's more inclined to be like all right. That's fine I mean to be on this is fucking with the other members of the band. He could have control over them that way. Yes I mean. Maybe she is one hundred percent honest about him never fucking with her because she is going to be the leader she's leader. I can't fuck with the leader. Yeah but I can fuck with the other ones around her. Just because he's not fucking with her doesn't mean it's okay for her to gloss over the fact that he's fucking with everybody else. No not at all. I'm just trying to figure out her kind of Saiki. Yeah is she might have just seen this. As the only way. Yeah 'cause it was the seventy s and she was still a teenager true so yeah or maybe she thought well his name's Kim and Kim as a girl's name so fuck you Kim Fowley so his control included producing the record in co writing. Most of the songs okay. He even refused to allow Jackie to play bass on the album instead bringing in Nigel Harrison. From blondie to play right. Yeah I remember learning about to Fox bad. Joan was obsessed with the idea of women playing hard rock in all female band right because it hadn't really been done before and she wanted a band full of bad ass boss Babes giving a middle finger to the man. Yeah now is the attitude. The girl's adopted right. Which is ironic. Considering how much control Kim had over them and that he fucking replaced their basis with a two he marketed. The girls as jail bait. He told Cherie to wear a corset underwear and fish nets as her stage costume. He over sexualize all of them and mind you. The average age of these girls was fifteen. Yup Jones Cherie at least saw his hyper sexualize branding as empowering. They weren't thinking that this child molester was telling them to ramp up the sex appeal they saw it as owning their sex appeal. Okay in which I guess. Yeah I some people I mean definitely some that is very much a how you see a kind of thing. Yeah very own but then also hold up is your level of comfort with that. Yeah everyone's GonNa Ha. Everyone's going to have a different level of comfort with that right especially in the band Not Everyone's Joan Sherry Cherie whatever because of their image people treated them as a novelty. Yeah they thought it was really cute when they saw their shows but once they realize the girls were serious about their music and we're just there to fulfill a male fantasy people got angry. Oh the media wasn't nice to them either to the media. These girls were whores without responsible parents. That were encouraging young. Girls to be whores. They were constantly asked about sex and sexuality during interviews instead of their music. Joan made a point not to answer those questions because if she did all the runways would be about was sex right. No one would ever talk about their music if they indulged journalists dumb questions. It's true though it's true even today. Here's thing for what it's worth. Yeah I'm not in love with how Kim Fowley marketed them. I mean that was gross and abusive and manipulative. However you know what media don't take it the complete other way either right. There's a middle fucking ground there not horrible people. Because Cherie is wearing a corset kids. Yeah doing one adult. Do you fucking problem. Go to the fucking guy telling them what to do. A lot of journalists were really fucking disgusting about it. Like one guy wrote about seeing their show in a magazine. What I forgot what magazine was but he literally said that like watching them perform he was like he was trying to like Jack off on the side of the stage because of how he saw Cherie. That's what fire discussed ways you fired. No should have been fired. No he was absolutely not got this fucking gusting they actually printed that that guy can also go fuck himself. Yeah so it's like no matter what they did they were getting shit for it. Yeah it's it's such bullshit because it's like you're still playing into this male fantasy Men still fucking control that Shit. Yeah Bullshit it was hard to be in the runways for a while they were pelted with bottles and batteries and all kinds of shit at their shows beaten up and even suffered broken bones because people couldn't handle the fact that they were women playing hard and fast rock and roll confusing feelings. I have to beat them up. I have a boner. I'm really mad about the homeowner walking. Hey people making matters. Worse was the ever present Kim Foley looming over everything. Yeah his way of keeping things interesting was to pit the girls against each other encouraging them to argue and hold grudges he would also physically abuse them like throwing jars of peanut butter at them during rehearsals and verbally abusing them all for the sake of quote unquote letting them know what they're going to be up against on. Yeah Age. Oh I know this story I know you were just using them. He'd just having a good old time because he was fucking bunker. Oh you should know like what you're going to be up against like no no no because you know any other ban wouldn't be up against people throwing shit at them from the audience. Maybe like empower them. Instead of beating them down shit sexual abuse was ever present any often used street drugs. Inqu- alludes to incapacitate his victims and rape them. Yeah this is exactly what basis Jackie Fox said happened to her. She recently revealed that on New Year's Eve in one thousand nine seventy five. She was told to take a quote by crew member being fifteen or sixteen and afraid to say no she took it shortly thereafter while she was paralyzed in floating in and out of consciousness. Kim fully raped her in front of a room full of people. Yeah Jackie called Joan. Cherie out for being present in the room. During the attack Jones response was less than stellar. She didn't say it didn't happen but she said she was. Quote not aware of the incident Joan Inexplicably Defense Kim often As recently as two thousand eighteen she told rolling. Stone that quotes. These girls could have walked away at any time if they were uncomfortable. Which is exactly what victim blamer say. Yeah she continued quote. I find a lot of people blame blame Kim. Because he's dead because he recently died. Yes so it's easy for the girls to say this or that and I just don't see it that way. No one was making anyone's stay so if they were uncomfortable in didn't like it. Why were you hanging out? I don't get it and quote. See this is why I have a problem with Tony. Oh this is a big problem. I have with Joan Jett I like. Here's the thing if you said this twenty years ago fuck if you said this ten years ago but like you came out two years ago and said he was wrong. That was wrong fine. 'cause here's the thing like. I don't WANNA cancel culture on people because it doesn't give them the chance to try to see the error of their ways but if you're going to get called out and still just like triple down. I have a big fucking problem with you. Yeah if your response to being called out by being A bystander and doing anything If your responses Mimi me and not actually responding to what happened to the victim that means you're probably guilty of something. Oh Yeah and don't tout the queen of Feminism. If you're going to fix the blame yeah because that is exactly what she's doing right now. She is one hundred percent victim blaming Jackie Fox for being a fifteen year old. Who got drugged? Because she didn't know how to say no teen. Yeah they were fifteen sixteen like and you know he couldn't just leave. They couldn't just say no. They were constantly surrounded by people of authority they were under contracts. They were doing world tours. They felt obligated to stay there. They couldn't just walk away. They were being manipulated by an abuser. Exactly who told them they couldn't walk away? Sorry Joan but you can't just get up and walk away and just because you had a different experience than Jackie did doesn't make Jackie's experience less valid right. And you know it's interesting. I learned in my research from last week that Cherie for a long time was a critic of Kim. As he was getting closer to his deathbed all of a sudden her tune changed And all of a sudden she was like I'm going to help him and take care of him and he was a really good guy. And cherise response to Jackie's Story when she actually came out and said it was almost worse than Jones. Her reaction was basically like I will do whatever it takes to prove that I wasn't there and she's a liar. I will blame like why are you so like you know so so hell bent on proving that you weren't there you could've just said. I was really drug to an item knows gone and walked away. That's and that's the thing like the two of them were drinking and doing drugs this whole time. They could have been passed out in the room and just not have remembered anything so yeah. Jackie could be right. They could have been in the room but they could have been passed out to. Yes so it's just their reactions Jones end cherise are just absolutely fucking fat and this is where like female solidarity really comes into play because the fact that we're not standing by each other side when men are still sexually assaulting us Is Gross. This is why they still get away with it. This is why it took Harvey Weinstein. How long to get put into fucking jail yet? But now he's got the rone's good vine fucking good. I don't even care yet. Good die you piece of shit honestly. Yeah I try really hard not to be that person but all but I'm going to be that person with him. Yeah good fucking life. I think he's fine. Actually he's pretty. Happy has a hope. He probably hopes he dies two because he's not going to make an in jail but that's the thing these fuckers keep doing this. We still keep getting stories of men Dr Luke with Canada. The these things are still happening because women are just not standing by each other and were saying Oh. She's just saying that because we think we need to stand by these men for their power. No if we fucking stood by each other you know what what power do the men have and especially in the music industry because the metoo movement hasn't really gotten to the music industry at Trion. It's trying and I thought maybe it would with the cash and Dr Luke thing but nope. Nope still have still to win. And that's the thing. I kind of feel like Joan might be worried that it will get into the music industry. And then she could be held liable for some things or people could just come for her. And be like what you're saying is bullshit and you're not supporting your fellow female ban me and that's really shitty so maybe come out and just be there for your fellow. Funding women don't just try to satit to cover your ass. You know just fucking supporter and if you were there spe- lake. Yeah I was there and I was fifteen. I didn't know what else to do. Yeah that's totally understandable. Yeah that is a perfectly fine. Excuse Yeah I get cancel culture scary and that's why I think we need to be more apt to forgive if someone genuinely comes out and says yo I believe this and it was wrong and I'm sorry you learned. That's amazing exactly what needs to. Yes Fuck Joan. Needs to learn a little bit from these. Yeah he's moments anyway. Yeah Anyway we take this despite the abuse. Jackie kept quiet and continued with the band. Their debut album was successful. Which meant a world. Tour was imminent. England had a much easier time accepting the band so they spent a Lotta time playing shows there. Yeah that sounds right. This is where Jones started getting into punk rock. She was hugely influenced by the sex pistols. Who became good friends of hers and she brought the Punk rock aesthetic back to the west coast. Black Moto jacket tight. Leather Pants convers. This was Joan Jett's image for the rest of her career still is so exactly what she's like. L. Exactly the same. She does pull it off though for her. She does she'll she really does look really good. Yeah but it was Japan. There really loved the runaways. You don't say they always fucking love. All of the people we talk about. They really do Kudos Japan. We don't celebrate you enough. The Japanese people treated them like the Beatles. They made television appearances. Had their own TV special they were mobbed at the airport and they released. Japanese only album called live in Japan which went gold. Joan attributes their success there to Japan's female audience. They understood what it was like to be treated as second class citizens and they understood the message. Joan was trying to communicate with the runways. It was in Japan that the girls got their first real paycheck but it was basically pennies. That made them wonder how come they hadn't been getting paid up until now. Oh there they are yeah they are. It is air. It is There are selling out shows left and right headlining a huge tour of Japan. But they weren't seeing any money. They still had to ask him for money to go get tampons or food I Bet I fucking but he loves how he 'cause he was their daddy in the middle of the Japanese tour of the girls realize something pretty awful was going on. Just one thing as may know what you should also drink when there's bullshit contracts bullshit. As mentioned before Kim Lake depit the girls against each other he was back on his bullshit in Japan and it turned into a blowout. Oh they were handed the tour Book Kim. Put together to give out wall in Japan immediately. The girls notice something was not right about it. It barely featured the band as a whole instead it was mostly centerfold like photos of Cherie in underwear and of course it basically softcore porn. Oh the girls were furious but they were furious at the wrong person on. Oh come on IPE blamed Cherie for doing the photo shoot in the first place. Not Kim for setting it up and making the tour booklet. This created a schism. That would eventually break the band up. Yeah sounds about right after getting home from Japan. Jackie Fox made the smart decision to quit the band hood on top of the sexual abuse. The girls were working their asses off to the point of exhaustion. They never got breaks. They weren't getting paid in their every move was controlled by Kim. Cherise walked soon after Jackie. She was addicted to cocaine calebs. She was only seventeen. 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Yeah the other one was queens of noise which they were they were arguably also would have been a really good title for this podcast. Why didn't we think of that as we are fucking dumb asses clearly drink? The media was so used to seeing the bleach blonde. Cherie fronting the band that they do accept the raven haired Guitarist as its leader but Joan did in any way she graduated from the shy girl on the side of the stage to front and center singing lead vocals just in time for a world tour opening for the ramones. Nellie as as much as she tried. Joan couldn't keep the cracks from forming. The runaways recorded their last album and now dot dot dot the runaways in nineteen seventy seventy eight with John. Alcock producing alcock. The album wis going in a heavier. More punk rock direction than previous runaway. Went Away Waco's but things weren't going so great with the producer he had a camaraderie with Lita Ford and Sandy West and it was clear the three of them wanted to make an album without Joan. Ooh She felt left out. Ooh I think eventually they did try to make an album and it fell apart. Yeah it pushed a wedge between the band eventually splintering the group apart there was so much tension in the band. Joan decided to dissolve it all together. I mean could she do that? Yeah I mean all the Fanta rates. Maybe okay kicked out. So who else is going to own it? Yeah Mary she felt like a failure. Oh like everybody was pointing a finger at her saying we told you so. We told you that you can do it. Oh that's some bullshit. She did it she did do it she did was she was a success at it. One hundred percent yes to deal with the dissolution of her Dream Jones started drinking and partying a lot yeah She would have an apartment full of famous musician. Friends hardcore drinking and partying it up at all hours of the night she was working at. She was working at the time attempting to fulfill the runaways obligations to mercury records with a movie called. We're all crazy okay. Was it like a documentary? No it was a drama. It was loosely loosely based on the runaways and featured Joan in the lead role. Oh that's weird. Yeah I two players but then actors everyone. Yes that's weird. That is weird. Yeah but Jones hard partying got in the way and the movie was scrapped when she was hospitalized for a heart. Infection what yeah. I don't know what that really means. Heart infection no but yes. She was put in the hospital cheese. And she's like what twenty three. Maybe not even twenty seventy eight twenty. Jesus Christ just yeah. She recovered but she was still lost and not sure what to do with her. Now that her ban was gone through an actress she worked with on the movie. Joan mid songwriter and producer. Kenny Laguna the two decided to write music together. Which was a strange pairing. If you think about it okay. Kenny Laguna was known for Bubblegum. Pop hits from the sixties all. My God like Yummy Yummy Yummy by Ohio Express Yummy Yummy I got love in my tummy and some stuff in my tummy. It's not bags of cocaine. It's Farts yes in my tummy. Okay your head. It works and it was an odd pairing but it worked together. They marry Jones rough and tough exterior with a more palatable. Sound and great hooks they set out to record Jones. Tab You solo album simply called Joan Jett. It was later re released in. They called a bad reputation. Oh 'cause I knew what song is on. Yeah plenty of cover songs which Joan would become known for. Yeah yeah she did. A lot of cover has gone through her spotify. It's a lot of cover. Yeah I don't know what the covers the same time I'm like. Does she not have that much original material. I don't know I think she just really likes older songs so much that she wanted to do them her way. That's fair. I don't know hurry to songs would go on to become Joan. Jett classics bad reputation and original Song About Jones. Hard ass reputation wall in the runways. And do you. WanNa touch me parentheses. Oh yeah this was originally a Gary Glitter Song and as it turns out Gary Glitter was a pedophile. Don't touch kids drink so if you're one of our patriots numbers you'll already know this because we talked about this. A couple of months ago did because Green Day just sampled the song in one of their in their new single. Yeah and people were like Green Day samples a Joan Jett Song. Now is Gary Glitter's song and he's a pedophile. But why can't we talk about how Joan Jett covered the song in the first place anyway? We digress again. We don't want to talk about Green Day. The album was released in Europe on Areola records. No IT'S A. R. I O. L. A. That spells area those released on May Seventeenth nineteen eighty two decent sales. But for some reason they just could not get a record deal in the US. They received twenty three rejection letters. Eventually they said fuck it will release it ourselves. All Right Kenny drained his toddler daughter's College Fund and use the money to print the album themselves. You better have fucking high hopes on this. That's your kids you believe in in this album an album full of covers. Don't ever tell your daughter if it fail like we just never had the money to send you to college. Sweetie sorry fully colleges is Iraq. It don't go yeah in total PUNK ROCK DIY move. These sold the record out of the trunk of Kenny's Cadillac. Shows fucking beautiful also. He had a cadillac. Couldn't you just sell your Cadillac? I mean that's like a offer but then where would they sell the record fair point? This was the beginning of blackheart records. A label headed by Joan Kenny. Under this label Joan has released some of her most successful hits after releasing her debut. She realized something. She really needed a backing band. She would always be front and center but as a solo artist she needed the energy of other musicians onstage with her yeah weirdly. Joan made the decision specifically not to play with women again because she didn't want it to be compared to the runaways. I guess that makes sense. Yes she only auditioned men even saying in the La Weekly ad that she was quote looking for three good men to become the black hearts all right after securing her backing band. They went on a European tour and settled and settled into a routine of shows around L. A. After a while they realized things just weren't working out in Los Angeles they'd basically exhausted their audience and didn't have other close by cities to play to get more fans. Maybe a big move was needed. If they moved to New York City they had whole huge network of big cities within driving distance to play in guaranteeing constant audience build up so they moved to Long Beach New York in one. Thousand nine hundred. Eighty all right gossiping a move but I think that works. Yeah it kind of makes sense especially if you're trying to be like kind of punk. Yeah that's that's where you go because at this point eighty S. Yep Yeah this is where you want to be The move worked improved to be a turning point. They consistently won over audiences in New York and New England. Keeping things fresh every time they were still struggling only playing small clubs and barely getting by gone were the days of runaway mania. In Japan Jones. Hard work was about to pay off. It's about fucking time again in one thousand nine hundred one Joan. Jett and the black hearts released the album. I love rock and roll. The album was once again heavy on the covers including the title track which was originally done by the arrows. I thought it was originally done by weird Al Rocky Road. You know you made it when Weird Al Covers. You know a cover a cover. Yup Yeah a parody of a cover parody of a cover of a cover of Color Joan him long been obsessed with this song and even recorded a rough version of eight years earlier with Steve Jones and Paul Cook of the sex pistols. Oh Shit Nice but it was. Joan Jen the black hearts version that everyone would come to know and love. Yeah honestly yeah. I didn't even know it was a cover till I got older same. And you people don't I knew Crimson and clover was a cover. Yes oh I didn't realize that. Like most for Shit was covers released on my sister's first birthday happy birthday. Your sister January nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety two a baby. Mtv quickly caught wind of the song and begged Kenny Laguna to to make a video for it. Kenan complied and the now I comic music video introduce millions to Joan Jett. Is that the one where she's like walking around the bar. Yeah do box and like everyone's just like fists in the air and playing pool. Somebody's playing pool. I think there's pool tables on their table in their bar. It's a bar. Townie Bar Shoe loves rock and Roll Hall to the Song I love. Rock and roll became a number one. Hit topping the charts for seven weeks. Shit things changed rapidly for Joan in the band. Yeah that'll small clubs turned into arenas huge world tours. Were set up and people like Freddie Mercury and David. Bowie started coming to the her shows. Yeah can you imagine that? Jn magin controversy. Didn't stay away from Joan for long. She got a bit of heat for her cover of Crimson and clover the second single off her. I love rock and roll album. She didn't change the pronouns. Because then the song wouldn't rhyme so they stage she and her you got all up on their huffy bikes because it sounded so lesbian highway story. Out of here it didn't even Faze Joan. She continued fielding questions about her sexuality. Exactly the same way she did when she was in the runways that is by not entertaining them at all like that is hun of anyone's. Nice but nobody understood. You know not that maybe you just don't ask questions. I manage. Don't give a shit who has sheds not the important this song still a fucking banger. Exactly Jones third solo album simply titled Album was released in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. It's not named for any of the songs on the album. I don't know what songs on this album. I just know that it's an album. It is an album. Has Album treats of an album Alex or on their no idea if veered in a slightly different direction mainly because it only had two cover songs on it. The rest were written by Joan and Kenny. Shit there it is for some reason or another. Mci didn't promote the album Kenny claimed that. Mca went so far as to stop people in the street from buying it why. I don't know that doesn't make any sense it makes no sense and I couldn't find out why. Nca didn't want to release it and like do you want to promote it behind that. Yeah I don't really understand what why they were claim that I doesn't check but it barely cracked the top twenty billboard charts and isn't considered much of a success. Oh what followed were couple albums performed moderately well. She continued to slay around the world opening for huge acts like clean and aerosmith. Oh my gosh. She was still curious about acting despite the disaster. That was supposed to be the runways. She was real high. Yeah drunk yeah that's she. She can always give that another shot she could always just like kick that to the side and just went like this is my first movie right. Yeah I never got released anyway. Yeah it didn't in nineteen eighty eight. She starred in the movie light of day alongside Michael J. Fox who played her brother. Oh the premise. Being got the two of them were in a rock band together and family drama ensues as their deeply. Religious mother disapproves of Jones decisions. I mean this kind of sounds like a good movie. She wasn't half bad and this was like this was the movie where Michael J. Fox tried to become a dramatic actor. Teats segue from comedic into the drama. But I feel like Michael. J. Fox could always go dramatic because I don't think his comedy was that comedic. He wasn't like a gym carrier will share he was known for Family ties which was a comedic role and then back to the future which was kind of a comedy so this was like the first time he was dipping his toe into dramatic waters. I guess I mean yes but also. I don't think it's that unrealistic. Look at Michael J. Fox. He can play drama. Oh No yeah. There were some dramatic episodes of family. Ties there were there. Were some upsetting episodes man also. He was a republic. He was a young Republican in that show. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah but being. A Republican eighties was much different than being a Republican now. Yeah I don't know I every time I think of young Republican in the eighties. All I can think of his Christian Bale and American psycho. Oh my God that's what I feel like. Every young Republican in the eighties was like yeah and pretty much now to Morales and then nothing nothing changes nothing changes anyway light of day. Bruce springsteen wrote the Song Late Day Nice specifically for the movie and Joan performed it on the soundtrack. And I think this movie was inspired by Bruce Springsteen and the guy who wrote it brought it to Bruce Springsteen he brought the script Bruce Springsteen to read it over because he wanted his opinion on. What like a blue-collar hard-working bar band was like? Yeah and better to ask apparently was orig- the movie was originally called born the USA. Oh my God. And he brought he gave the script to Bruce Springsteen to read Bruce liked the title so much that he stole it and put it on a song that he was writing about a Vietnam vet. I didn't know that's where okay. Yeah and then. He took the this song called light of day. That already had it was like here but us this song instead. Oh Bruce Obu busey's not boys boosts Moose. Yeah boost from Jersey will boost Jersey but also imagine how great that is for Joan Jett though irregardless to be singing a song written by Bruce Springsteen in about a movie that's kind of loosely based on hand that he got gave like the thumbs up on. Yeah big that's when you really fucking made it. That's springsteen yeah I fucking made it. Yeah that same year after continuing issues with her new label epic records. Joan released up your alley once again independently on blackheart records this album featured another huge hit. I hate myself for loving you. Which is it's all fucking good sauce. Gory Tong. The song reached number eight on the billboard charts and helped boost Jones profile after her career was kind of plateauing By the early nineties the music scene was changing. Grunge was all over the airwaves and the riot girl movement took hold in Washington. Dc At the end later in the Seattle area of Washington State for more on that you should listen to a riot girl episode from like two years ago from a long fucking time literally. Two Years Ago Yeah. It had its roots in punk but took a hardcore females first mentality the a big supporter of the movement was in Mackay. A seminal punk of seminal punk band for Ghazi Yup Ian. If you remember from our riot girl episode was also friends with Kathleen Hanna from Bikini. Kill Ya Ian gave Joan a Bikini Kill Demo tape and shortly thereafter. Kathleen got a call from Joan herself asking if she wanted to collaborate. Joan was incredibly impressed with everything. The women in the riot girl movement were doing. I mean it's really what she was doing back in the seventies exactly. She saw it as all of them fighting the same fight. That's been going on for years and loved how outspoken fearlessly were exceptional. Maybe just maybe I mean if there was some sexual assault producer somebody bikini kill mode. Something would probably try and kill the person that was trying to rape somebody. Yeah just GONNA throw that out there. She saw Bikini Kill as an updated version of the runaways. And she didn't want to just support them. She wanted to be involved. The high bet I got to take that out. She Produced Bikini. Kill Song rebel girl. And Kathleen Hanna wrote songs on Jones. Nineteen ninety-four pure and simple. That's right also. I forgot to put in here. Because I'm a fucking idiot This was not the first thing that Joan ever produced. She actually produced the one and only album that the germs released and the germs are like a huge hardcore punk band. Yup that PAT smear was a part of impact smear went on to become part of Nirvana in the last night. That's right so that's another lake. That's a huge mind blowing six degrees of bullshit so nice so she was kind of already in this she well. I mean pets. Mir wasn't really in the scene at all. He was still more like East Coast punk. I think I mean we're we're the germs la. I thought they were but don't quote me on that. I'm not great with my germs history. My Germs Story. I'm pre- No I think. La Portmanteau drinks. Yeah I think they were actually. La that makes way more fucking sense. But I don't believe that PAT was really part of the whole grunge scene or the Seattle scene If anything he might have known Dave Grohl but I don't think so well Joan Jett Dave Grohl now. She knows the now the France now. Yeah they did Cherry bomb. Oh really rock and Roll Hall of fame. Okay yeah formats. Yep sounds very good with both of them together. Yep sounds better live. Oh I'll have to listen to it but this wasn't just a publicity publicity thing or or whatever. Joan was fully invested in the riot girl movement. Yeah when me as a potter was murdered in Nineteen ninety-three. Her Death Affected Joan deeply. She worked with the remaining members of the gets on a live album with all the prophets going to the murder investigation. We talked about me as a pot on our true kind of show him episode a year and a half ago long time ago. But that was that's such A. That was a horrible story. God fucking dammit. That's an upsetting story. It's it's so fucking senseless bullshit and completely fucking random. Yeah like mid never should have happened ever schiff oversight so fucking upsetting through the late nineties and early two. Thousands Jones career started slowing down a bit. Her albums were doing okay. But she wasn't making much money. They needed something to revamp her image boost sales again. And that's when Kenny's formerly toddler daughter. Who's College Fund? He drained Kerry and Brinkman. Entered the picture. Okay Kenny was kind of living in the stone. Age At this point and I should mention that Joan and Kenny. Have this lake very special kind of friendship. And I'm not saying specialize in quotation. No I didn't like the way they have a friendship that like transcends however many years they've been friends they just have a bond they have that they get and they have not everybody else. Does they have a really great bond and I think I who is more like mentor to protege or father to daughter or something like that and it's just grown into like they're just the absolute best friends the best friend soulmate kind of thing. They don't WanNa do things with other. They are super. That's it best friends. Yeah there's just an easy connection that they have they can't explain it. They're not gonNA and she was a very big part of Carey ends Upbringing of course and I think she lived with them for a while and like just spent a lot of time with them as a family and was really big in bring up their daughter. Nice which she kind of had to be because she trained her college fund. It's like Oh this kid. I know own this pretty sure that that album probably replenished college fun and then it's like ten times over. She was fine. She could have gone to college if she wanted. She probably did. She's very smart young lady. She could even drink milk if she wanted she could. Yeah so yeah. Kenny was living in the Stone Age. He didn't understand that a digital revolution was happening. He's still wanted to sell CDs at Seventeen Bucks a PAS. Oh my God. That's how thought money was me. Carry any yeah honey honey sweetie poor soul. Bring your daughter in here. She's going to help you. She's GonNa show you how to turn the computer on bomb. Look out sweet. That's just the computer turning on. Dad How do I get to? How do I check your facebook? I heard all the kids are on that now. Dead nobody. My Age uses facebook. Can I can I? Can you search for recipes on the facebook? I need to know how to make pot roast. No you want Google now google. I'M GONNA go your phasing. My daughter's FACEBOOK GOOGLE DOT com. Oh Dad you're so dumb I mean you just you just sweet and old. You don't know any better. Well either way yes. So as daughter came in Carryanne convinced joining Kenny to get on I tunes yeah tunes. It's still a thing. Apparently some people still get suckered into that. It's a scam for old people now. Oh my God I two guys spotify within the first week of being on Itunes this old seventy thousand units of I love rock and roll units drink Kerry and also convince them to have Joan on the warped tour in two thousand six nice. This was peak warped tour angle. He warped tour Green Day. So many checkered vans I love my checkered fans. And guaranteed maximum exposure. Joan was still known to be punk is fuck so she was accepted on the tour. No problem it reignited. The Passion people always had for her since then. Carryanne has taken over Managing Jones career and the Blackheart label in the meantime Joan diligently campaigns with pita for animal rights and runs a farm sanctuary. Which like Pizza Pizza's not the best choice as choice but your animal sanctuaries probably lovely but she has also been partnering with Pita for a very long time like before people realize that pedo were Kuku for coconuts crazy people you know to hear more of our opinions on pita and the opinions of actual vegans on pita. You should go to our friends. We didn't episode with them and talk about pita a lot because a lot of musicians are just like pita and we're like but there's better organizations guy. There are a whole lot of better organization. Also Google search ten minutes support your local animal sanctuary. Because there's probably one near you and you just don't know and they probably need way more health leisure help a lot especially right now. Exactly how am I going to please help your local animal? Sanctuaries yes and Joan was also inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame in Two Thousand Fifteen. That feels like a really long time to get inducted. It was a very long time. Yeah and I think Nirvana was inducted. The year before their first year and she They did like a concert afterwards at a different venue and she came out and like she did. Smells like teen spirit and a bunch of other nirvana songs with Dave and Chris and Pat. I'm sure they're all friends which is very nice but also like she probably was eligible around like twenty ten. Oh Yeah I mean. She started in like five ish. Runaways seventy five. Yeah so I think twenty to choose is it. I'm not great with math but the point. How many years is a twenty five twenty five so seventy five eighty ninety two thousand? Yeah she would have been eligible with the runaways in two thousand. So that's cool. So have you want to hear more about the bullshit? There is for the rock and roll. You're all about the locking today. But our sister podcast. Who Cares about the Rock Hall there on Pantheon? And they're she really fucking alert here. Total daily are see. It's safe to say that Jones early career with the runways was controversial whether the controversy was planned or not she knew how to use that to her advantage and she used it well whether or not. She turned a blind eye to deplorable behaviour happening around her her image. As a hard hitting feminist with both middle fingers up in the face of the Patriarchy was groundbreaking. Joan got where she is today through incessant. Hard work on her own. Yeah for the most part. Yeah honestly gotTA GIVE HER. Credit Credit's due. I mean I might have a lot of problems with how she's treated. The other women who came up with was a workhorse. She didn't still the workhorse. She never stopped. She never had a hiatus really. Except if you count her drinking herself into the hospital which was like maybe a year maybe a year our time take that time to like stop drinking and get better but I mean like that year would have been between when the runways ended and her solo career started in between was partying in the heart infection that I say yeah then again in the grand scheme of her career. That's nothing. Yeah yeah I mean overall and like I said I try not to feed into cancel culture? I think she's still has written amazing music. I still think that she has really proven herself to women Somebody I mean to say. Now that she's proven herself to and she's proven herself to be this strong woman and Lake so that other women can see this and say oh. I don't have to take this bullshit. Yeah and I don't follow anyone else's recipe of what feminism is she has definitely cultivated and maintained that image image of this bad ass. That doesn't take shit from anybody right and she. She's been doing that since. Nineteen seventy five when people I serve knowing who she was right And that's great but also have a little bit of humility and humanity and if somebody calls you out and says this really horrible thing happened to me and I think you were in the room. Don't automatically go on the defensive because that's not what anybody needs in it's not making you look good We have to support each other. We still have to support each other so despite the fact that she is this beacon of Feminist you know. Cheerleading squad like this beacon of feminists cheerleaders then like you still have to learn from things. Yeah that's part of it. You can't just be like nope this happen yard for me and I did this all on my own and this yeah I think like you also have to say. Hey maybe this fucked up thing happened and maybe I witnessed it and I didn't know what to do which is fine. You were fifteen sixteen. You can say I didn't know what to do if you're GONNA be mad at you for being a kid who didn't know what to do if you're going to continue to be part of the Progressive Feminist Movement. Then you have to learn from things right and I don't feel like she's really learning from things right. That's that's the problem. That's the problem. But she is an amazing artist. She does work insanely hard. Yes she's earned everything that she's gotten. I won't take any of that away from her. You know just like this is my little pleated be like Hey Joan John just like admit that some fucked up. Things happened when you were around. But it's okay 'cause she were kit and they will never happen around you again. They would never happen around her again. Right you kidding me. She's an adult the bad bitch. She's in charge fly. Maybe at this point if something like that were to happen she would get involved today and break it up. Or whatever of course. I doubt that if something does happen around her now like a wouldn't. Yeah but you know what I mean. She put a stop to that real quick. But you can't just deny that things in the past happens Martin can't you can't do that and that's the big thing too you know. We've gotten plenty of criticism for analyzing history and misrepresenting it because we look at it and say hey. That wasn't cool but you know what if you don't look at. Shit the happened in the past and say that was a pad fucking thing happen. It's GONNA keep happening. Here is absolutely no fucking way in Hell. I would relay the story of Kim Foley to and just completely dismiss it and be like that was just the time. Yeah no just because a room. Full of people dismissed him raping. Somebody in this is GonNa do. It doesn't it doesn't mean I I can do it thirty forty years later. 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Rock Candy Ep. 106: Tricky - Actual Murder

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Rock Candy Ep. 106: Tricky - Actual Murder

"Hey Yeah this speech is my recital. I think it's very vital to arrive. That's right on time. It's tricky is the town it's tricky to rock overrun to Rutta around. That's right on time. It's Okay. It's tricky tricky. We're not talking about Randy. And now we are at all like this has nothing to do with Rod DMC. This is the SOG tricky. It's just because we probably both have this song stuck in her head for the last week. What do you think yes? I have had this song stuck in my head a lot because it's an earworm. It is an earworm of song but also I kind of WanNa learn all the lyrics so we can do that Kariuki now. Oh yeah no I mean I already. I got him so I mean there on screen so yeah but I don't know like the cadence of Oh. Yeah Yeah now listen to it all week. We'll be good for Kariuki. I say this is a. This is a solid karaoke hit. Yeah and we're not talking about it not at all. Let's just snip. That right in the bud. Yeah no doing it not going to happen. Welcome candy where we don't talk about run DMC not today not yet not yet. Not Today eventually. Oh Yeah we'll get there. They'll get the rock turned rock trained Freeman Rock treatment. No free referring to something. I would say we're not. Words are great for us. I am Maggie and I'm taken to drink sorry I'm Ashley and we're hosts and we are bringing you sweet treats from the world's music every week. Yeah and this week we're going obscure I I don't WanNa see obscure but I guess obscure kind of but also he's been around for a very long time. He is insanely influential. And you probably don't even know who he is. Yeah which is unfortunate again. I think we're just tapping into more for black history month of these artists that are super important to the world of music and very influential. And you just don't know. Oh my God like rap. Wouldn't be what it is today. If it wasn't for this artist ELECTRONICA wouldn't be what it is today. If it was not better or worse it depends on how you look at it. Yeah yeah either way either way is what it is you can definitely think this dude for it. Yeah Yeah today. We are talking about the musical artist. Tricky hence the song in the beginning gas and heads maybe some confusion maybe some have when they see the title of this. Are they just going to spend an hour and a half talking about the song? Turkey we probably could but no. I feel like there's not that much set song. It's just a fucking jam. Yeah but yes so. We are talking about this artist. Tricky you might be wondering who he is for some of you. If I say massive attack maybe that will jog something up for you. He was definitely heavily involved in the beginnings of band. That group also another incredibly influential band. That only really gets talked about in vary like obscure listrik holes and Shit like that. Yeah and then people will remain at our heard from fi but then again a lot of our UK and listeners and European listeners are probably hearing us say tricky and massive attack thinking. Yeah no I know who that is. I'm not an idiot but Americans are dumb they already it's and they don't really look into this show. We don't get as much music as we should over here. Yeah we get a lot of garbage hold on a garbage hold on a boat rock still still on my part rock over here for some reason he still really into venture seven belts so seven. Yeah my favorite band. There's so memorable terrible guys. Seven folderol good bad. You're such a hot topic band but LENA LATE. Two thousands hot topic bands like the the bad the real bad topic hot topic years. Yeah Yeah we talk about that topic here. When hot topic discovered the nightmare before Christmas? That's when everything just went fucking downhill and years after the movie comes out there like Hey Jamie see this week makes so much money off of this. We've really straight off topic hot topic. We paid hot right about hot topic. Yeah please talk about tricky because fuck hot topic and we should definitely talk about the beer drinker. Hit US harder than we thought. I don't know actually four percent. It's hitting me harder than I thought it would. I had half an a snickers ice cream bar before we started drinking breakfast for you know that was lunch. Okay so this week. We are drinking from single cut boo. Smith's Boozman looseness. There would be a great like just a really great title for a brewery. That does all Halloween themed boost Smith. Spoo- Smith Saul. Yeah let's you know what we're done guys neck podcast where we're going to start a buoy. Don't you take that idea? That's all the copyrights we also you so fast. Always this is recorded. We HAVE PROOF. We have proof. You stole it from US. Anyway. We're drinking. Shyness is nice which is a tart. It's fine it's honestly like most single cut assign stuff we've had. It's just fine. This is fine. It's not particularly tart but it's not overwhelmingly. Ip a what we did have a very inland discussion before according about what it really tastes like and it really reminiscent of a flavor of when you use half of the frozen concentrate can you don't use the full can because you're trying to save money which they use the same amount of water in which is really watered down or feel like probably a lot of the younger folk that listen to us probably don't know what the concentrate is. They make frozen concentrate anymore. I don't really see it very much at all. I remember going to the grocery store and there are cases upon cases a fruit. Concentrate that you would make Wella's Walsh's was the jam it was so I'm no get out. Get out get the fuck out of here no it. That was the cheap way to make orange juice juice as you got the concentrating dollars. Fifty cents fifty cents a dollar. Whatever for a little can of frozen concentrate our for four. I think there are like twenty five cents. There were only ones you guys know. Do you remember he wants to go? Get the like the little clear powders. Really Twenty ten cents. I think yeah they were like ten cents lower lake ten for a dollar usually Gillis. Wow we're not. We're not interesting to stay on. This tastes like very watered-down Orange juice concentrate. Yes you would get frozen in a tube. Yes I had to kind of stretch with this one. Like as far as building with it but China's nice you will soon discover that due to tricky shyness as a person it helped him cultivate the artists. He became yeah. I kind of feel like we're this cut. We're getting into some deep cuts with our beer choices. I mean arguably that's a single cut does anyway in before I really get into it. I would like to cite my source. Most of everything. I'm giving you guys I found. Actually it's nice. Tricky is very interview. -able he likes to talk so it was easy to find interviews but also. I read his biography. Hell is round the corner and this was co written with Andrew. Perry so he did have a little help. But I'm really want to highly suggest this biography to anyone. Listening Eighty is really interesting. He's a great writer He writes like he's talking to you. Which is something I enjoy. He has a crazy interesting story and there are some things that I wanted to get into. But I just didn't have the time so please pick up this book if you ever see it yet I really WanNa read it. Yeah there's some really good stories their stuff with David Bowie in there that I wasn't able to so that could be more stories for episode on Weird Shit David Bowie did our eventual spinoff podcast. Weird Shit though. We did basically yeah. We basically his life. Yeah but yeah he Because you know. British artists recognize Yeah it helps. I guess now is the time I'm going to get into the story of two Ricki Hall Radi before I do get started though on the life of tricky. I want to give a little background into the musical genre known as trip hop because really he's one of the fathers of the Stranraer. Please tell me more. I feel like you don't tell me more trip hop is not easy to describe. I just tried to do it the other night. And it's very hard it is it is a blending of hip hop and Electronica in hints of Jazz are Embi House soul psychedelic kind of a little bit of everything. There is a very experimental element to it with in its music as well as the visuals overall all experimental. It's style of music that maybe not everyone is familiar with but its influence reaches throughout most genres of all the music. We hear today after this episode. If you go back and listen to artists like gorillas back Madonna Bjork radiohead Queens. The Stone Age Janet Jackson even the Flaming Lips. Oh yeah our favorite favorite but you can hear hints of trip hop in. Yeah absolutely them. I don't listen to electronic so maybe I'm far off base here but I feel like trip hop is the most easily digestible of the sub genres. I'll say in house can be most commercialized yet. And they're the ones that are most commercialized. That artists like Madonna and stuff like that will seek out people that have experienced in those genres. Yeah and bring them in and put that kind of influence into their music so that the masses will hear it. All of those musicians can thank the trip. Hop Movement of the Ninety S for pushing the envelope of sound and tricky was at the forefront. Whether or not he meant to be this isn't what I would call a classic underdog story. It may just be a story of being incredibly lucky throughout your life and tricky is actually the first to admit that but luck are not his ingenuity. Artistry cannot be denied. Tricky was born Adrian. Nicholas Matthews Thaws on January twenty seventh nineteen sixty eight. That's such a generic name but like so many with so many names right age. I don't know Adrian's Kinda Fun. That's a good name Adrian. He is the son of Roy. Thaws a Jamaican man and maxine Quaye. Who was Anglo Guyanese? So her family mixed Guyanese in English British. I should Throughout his childhood being mixed rate race would play a big part in Turkey becoming who he is today while wouldn't be inclined to say either. His parents had a musical influence on him. They both had some artistry in their backgrounds. Roy worked on the studio seventeen sound system with his father is one of the best known in England at the time and nicknamed Tarzan. The high priest Yep Okay. Meanwhile maxine was a bit of a poet. Something tricky wouldn't discover until he was older. No the reason this information was not common knowledge to him was because maxine had committed suicide when just four years old. Oh that's awful. And he says the first member he can recall is seeing her in her coffin. Oh Fuck Yeah. It wouldn't be a stretch to say this will affect his outlook for the rest of his life and attributes to the dark themes a lot of his music takes on. I would save one of your earliest memories is seeing your mom in a coffin during her funeral. Yes that would affect you for the rest of your life. I'm pretty sure anyone who does know. Tricky is music can hear that and say that explains a lot now a lot. I always thought there is a bit of darkness to him and his music. Oh even though ELECTRICA is supposed to be. You know something you can dance to I always associated him with portishead. Yeah Oh yeah because said has this melancholy sound and I feel the same way about Turkey's music. Yeah honestly I guess you could say like the big three is tricky massive attack points is aside or Porta. Shed portishead portishead. Yes yes. I'm really bad with pronunciations. I love Florida's dead though. They're fantastic. I have to say I haven't heard a ton of portishead. I've definitely heard more massive attack. I've heard far more portishead tack by the way. If you're like who are massive attack and portishead you know what just look up. The song teardrop. Yeah no it. Everyone knows it. Yeah that song that you're going to hear it and you're like it's that electronic song that everybody knows yes 'cause once you play it. Everyone's like oh of the song. His Father Roy left the scene not long after that. He didn't get along with along with maxine family. It was at the point where her uncle was threatening to kill him when he got out of prison. Wait the uncle was imprisoned. The uncle was in prison and he was like get out of prison. I'M GONNA fucking kill you pretty much. Jesus way what is Turkey's dad do so I think he was just one of those dads that was kind of lofty. I don't think he was a bad person. And he got along with them pretty okay. But after maxine died a lot of them blamed him for her death. Okay sounds like true? Crime series stirring up the you know. He didn't care enough but he actually found her so great and then also intricacies book. He does talk about reasons why his mother might have killed herself because she was a very bright happy person. It's always about heavy people to do it but yeah. She apparently was diagnosed with epilepsy. Okay and it was hard. There was tricky and he had a younger sister and he thinks that it was very hard on her to have two kids that she could barely take care of because she had fucking epilepsy. Yeah so I think it was a matter of get kind of spiraling into this. You're better off without me. Kind of thing. Yeah and you're going to discover as I go throughout the story. Mental illness does run through. Turkey's DNA got his family tree for sure After his mother's death tricky went to live with his grandmother. He has a large family and many of them engage in some sort of criminal behavior. Oh from theft to actual murder his actual. She will murder murder murder. I stabbed a man killed him actual murder. I've been a meeting to talk to you about that about your actual murder might WanNa get. Outta here for a while. Kill tried in this kind of fire I killed a guy with a Trident. Talk to you about your actual. His uncle's have especially run the gamut of crime than most of the stories in the book that he tells are crazy. Uncles man. Crazy on fucking crazy oglala. Uncle uncle uncle and they're all just committing cry uncle and cry. You want them to make a movie called uncles on the run on goes on the run. Get outta here wings stupid. Mullets get out of here. Where are you fantastic? Mullets tricky is from an area of Bristol called Knowle West a town with a large population of lower income working class families. That kind of scene crime was a way of life for most living there and it was almost inevitable that one should expect to spend some time in prison if you grew up in old west now. Tricky isn't an aggressive type of person so the likelihood of him getting into violence was pretty low but he was still a product of his environment when he was a teenager. He was getting into trouble with the police for truancy in loitering late at night. Just kind of petty. Little things is truancy not going to school. You're gonNA say something so much worse than like going to school. I mean it's just like skipping school. If like a police officer sees you at ten thirty in the morning on a Thursday when there's clearly schools like hey so what the fuck are you doing name? I thought I told you what because this is my United Kingdom of whatever it is his United Kingdom or whatever he was Liam Lynch in the shootout no less he was well then it progressed into breaking and entering he started to go from like these petty little things to be a little. Bit Harder Yeah. He ran with a crowd that would be on the lookout for any homes where no one was there. And then they would rob the place but like occupied. Yeah yeah yeah like someone vacation they would notice all the lights are off and it's six o'clock at night and they're like nobody's home right now. Cool we should still from them all right. Let's do that. I think that's how you still don't know. So he wasn't murdering people he was doing actual murder. He resigned doing actual. Who's doing actual robbing not actual murder? But what landed him behind bars? Some small skill money loitering or money laundering. Oh so he was alone shirk to no not even a loan shark. He and his friends would forge fifty quid notes and then use them at convenience stores so they could get the change. Yeah that's this was before they had those color changing pens Gotcha like the seventies eighties. Tricky wasn't one hundred percent. Sure exactly what went down. But it seems to him that his friend got caught in snitched on him as well. Oh thanks Frendo. Snitch is get stitches. Do except tricky. When do that this landed him two months in the youth wing of the prison and seeing how he was only seventeen at the time? Yeah that makes sense. Yeah even though. It sounds like a pretty short sentence. It was enough to get tricky scared straight ensuring he would not involve himself in the criminal life again could yeah like want one of the few people that scared straight worked for. So where was this misfit kid to turn to for self expression an outlet from day to day life where to go music of course? Oh Yup that's how you go. Kids just do music. Yeah do the music. Don't do. Don't forget fifty quid notes. You're going to get caught so quick or actual murder. Just play music. Mortar people with your sweet sounds on your guitar. 'cause that's not actual murder that's just music growing up. Tricky listen to a lot of reggae and Billie Holiday Inn Marvin Gaye and all that like when he would visit his dad then he was in his mid teens and he slowly gravitated to prince buster as well as we bands like the four skins. That's a great name man. Yeah you can you some of you might see where I'm going with this or his musical tastes for gravitating to because we all have that band right. The ban we discover and it changes everything. It gets deep in our core. We carry that with us for the rest of our lives. I'll I'm so I'm so intrigued. And for tricky. Who is it? That band was the specials. Oh okay I figured you would make some kind of Scott comment Scott. I don't know enough about the specials to make fun of them but like Scott but Scott. I WON'T DAN BY SKOP. You'll skank by sky will always buy the thing about the specials is that they were one of the first bands that he was exposed to where he saw people of. Color and whites playing together. That is one thing. I do have to commend Scott for the really transcended the racial barrier when it came to inclusion. Yeah they don't give a fuck. Yeah it's like if you can play a fucking instrument then yeah you're going to be in this band. I don't even know what you play. You know what you don't even have to play if you ask on stage and hyper Chad. Eight men that's I see. Defense Scott Donna hype his lost on me but pick your pick it up. Pick it up again to the row. We're picking up a sky but you can pick up change in a mosh pit to know you can almost what's going on. You're taking your life in your hands. Dropped all them quarters in your pocket. Does I say goodbye. Somebody else got that Shit but if you drop all those coins and a Skop it they're going to pick them up remake. Oh you draft all these. You have change of course. Sky's the perfect music for being. Excuse me stuff nicest Scoppetta my life. I mean pits and Scott. Scott Peterson escaped rented a circle. This is wonderful that's hilarious. It's wonderful so sweet it is. We like it but like yeah wake were saying this whole breaking down of any racial barriers. Eight really spoke to tricky. Because it's very much what is life is no less is predominantly white right but oh it is. It is okay yes. It's still lower class but only white lower class but then he would visit his father in Saint Paul's and it was predominantly black lower class. Either way yellow poor okay. What field was this close to Bristol? Okay this is all in England and don't forget his family's mixed as well so there was this element of never really knowing where he belonged. He would be stopped by the police for being black but then called out by his black friends for acting to weigh in so he just never knew my lifelong identity crisis. Yeah and here's the thing shouldn't fuck it matter. Yeah he's a fucking person. Yeah more or less story. Reese doesn't fucking matter. Yeah you're fucking person. Thank you for coming in my tedtalk. So needless to say seeing these guys come together on stage spoke to tricky on a whole new level. But not just that what they were singing about getting chased on the street. Stay OUT LATE. At clubs. Were exactly the types of activities that he was getting up to. At the time I listened more and more tricky began to feel that this was something he could do to not Scott in particular but have some sort of involvement in creating music. These guys were self taught and just living their passion. So why couldn't he? Yeah so going. To shows became life for tricky. He and a friend began squatting in different locations selling weed to make enough cash for train or a bus to get to the next place in check out another group. These carefree Halcyon days of late. Teenage years would be formative to creating the musician we now know is tricky while squatting with some friends who were members of a low key sound system. He told them to do some wraps off the cuff new skeptical at first but after a few verses many saw talent that was clearly lying dormant in so weird to me that people can just find this talent one day. It's like oh I'm just gonNA try wrapping right and they're really good at it. Yeah what's that like? I have nothing like that. That'd probably something just no-one said Ashley do this thing. And you're like doing your shit. I don't have enough fantastically great talents. That will allow me to use that as my career is what I'm trying to say. Also I don't think many people can do that as A. Yeah I wish I could again but this is the whole point of the story with tricky is. Just lock yeah. He's a lucky piece of Schick. He just ran with these people who are trying it out and he was sitting there and they said hey sing along to this and he did and it worked a chance for exposure came with childhood friend. Miles Johnson Aka deejay Milo of the sound system group. The Wild Bunch. They had tricky. Come wrap with them at live shows and this is where he developed his very distinct spec saying style saying wreck sang. I'll expect SPEC saying like you know like the German. Yeah but it's singing yes. Brecht means to speak s brick. Spec sang speaking. This was not sort some sort of conscious choice either. This is where I get into our beer. Tricky softly sings spoken. Voice is a direct result of. How very shy. He is when performing usually closes his eyes and projects just enough to be heard but this would be something that we will still see being used by artists today. I mean think about it like a lot of indie. Pop is very softly sings spoken. Yeah so in. Now it's the new thing the the asm our thing is like be really close to Mike but be really really low. And some really calmly. Yeah Yeah and even I guess again better or quote unquote. Mumble rap is very much like that. That's just a dumb affectation well because they're all just really shy. No Yeah you're just fraternity for Shuki. It's like legit. It's an actual thing like I'm quite shah. I don't know how to sing much louder than this. That's my British choice. That was very good. You've been working on it and I have been working. Sit in the mirror and I'm like I'm British now. He not only adopted his style but also his name around this time to at one point while rapping with the group the fresh for a DJ called him tricky kid and it stuck eventually morphing into tricky. A big thing with tricky is. He's a bit of a loner. Uh-huh kind of comes and goes in and out very wafting into group Aloof. He's aloof fish in the sense that he was not always around. You know he'll do something with a group and he'll just go off and do his own thing or go to a new squad or go check out of band so pupil will be like. What's that tricky kid? Getting up to is tricky like a slang word for not always there or whatever I think Lucy like I think it's more of a slang for just like you know he's always getting into something not even necessarily trouble but like he's that kid. That just shows up. Gotcha here we all have that person who just like you'll be out and then just that person shows up in their in your group for the night but then you won't see them again for months. Yeah that's exactly who? Tricky is. All right just show up for a night and you have a great time and then you just won't see him again cool but that's just who. He is tricky was never considered to be a member of the wild bunch. More of a collaborator. That's due in part to his age. Making him just not really notice or care where he could go with them. He's still like nineteen twenty everyone else's more in their twenty s He's still kind of a kid. This create they created a few singles but tricky never join them in the studio. He was still being a bit of a drifter. Like I mentioned before. Just going from squat squat so that was another reason why he just never joined with a group 'cause he was always kind of doing his own thing. Yeah by the late eighties. The wild bunch dissolved when three of the members Robert Three D del Najah Grant Daddy G Marshall and Andrew Mushroom vowles formed. A new group called massive attack. Oh so massive attack or an offshoot of the wild bunch okay but also mushroom vowles Ideas last names vowels. Oh Hey maybe I'm saying okay. So so the members of massive attack our three D. Daddy G in mushroom are maybe mush. Mush is like but it started off as mushroom announce okay because they thought his mushroom val mushroom vowles was his name like there is a story behind that and we do not have enough time for it. Now there's actually no story behind it unfortunately someday maybe we'll do the massive attack story because I think they have some interesting. They seem interesting. Yeah maybe or maybe not for the right reasons and they've been around for a long fucking time as we see the early eighties. They will probably a year or so later. Three D and tricky ran into each other at pub and from their real. Friendship blossomed tricky. Yeah they're fans tricky was asked to come on board to work with massive attack at the time he still wasn't seeing music's anything more than more than a hobby so they worked out to where he would get paid out for being a musician with the group not an actual member okay so he was still working with them doing a lot with them but he wasn't a full-fledged member he wouldn't be listed as a member of massive attack right but he was credited to helping them with some songs. Okay here's a little fun side no So they're manager is Cameron McVey. And he is the husband to Neneh Cherry. Oh and she's significantly helped to back their albums they gave gave the money. She guessed it on a few other trash. This is probably around the same time. The Buffalo stance blew up. It is yeah yes so Neneh Cherry had a big hand and all this will no shit for her right good for good for them. Yes get good for everybody invoked in the situation yeah honestly. Y'All are lucky tricky. We contribute to three tracks on their debut. Lp Blue Lines most notably was daydreaming. The first single off the record while only hit number eighty one in the UK charts. It was still enough to help. Get them some real notoriety just to give you guys idea there. Sound all play a little sample. Bruce below zero up against move trick is performing taking his photo Nicholas. There it's had touchy like Cocoa Ski Mountain. Free is the needle is moving food. A child was with most expensive on the absolute acoustics Notre Pharmaceuticals for the body suitable stick with Lakewood request to link with troubling star of Sunshine. Laws caused potential. Like they you can still hear his English accent. Oh Yeah but you hear his type of sing song or sing speaking Where it's just like he's kind of thing in. He's definitely wrapping but he's doing like it's melodic and yet not melodic. It's yeah he really melodic yet monotone. Yeah in a weird way. Yeah Yeah and but at the time that this came out it was really the first of its kind. Or at the beginning of this whole forefront of the style so yeah I mean arguably with track like this. He helped massive attack get their name on the business side of music was absolutely no interest to tricky talking with studio exacts interviews even making music videos it was just so tedious to shore. He didn't give a shit he just wanted to make music. Yeah he just seems like the kind of guy that only cares about the music. His blinders are on one hundred percent. It's just the music everything else can fuck right off. Yeah yeah that's how he always feels about that stuff. He just wants the creation process. He doesn't care about this. I commend him for that. But at the same time if you want to have any sort of successful music career you kind of have to do that. Yeah you gotTa play the game playing the game and I can see playing it to a certain extent but also kind of making it very well known that you just are going to say fuck off to everybody. Oh yeah that does. That's also playing the game too. Yeah because you're still giving people something to write about. Yeah he's not rude about it. Yeah he's actually just very matter of fact. Yeah I'll get I'll get all that stuff. So yeah he's still just liked hanging out with friends and family going to check out soundsystem groups and reggae shows. Smoke some spliff in the end. It was kind of a good thing that he did all that. Because that's how he met Martina Topley bird as he was leaving his cousins place. He heard a girl singing to herself and he was so caught up in it. He actually stopped her and started to talk with her. He finally got around to asking if she saying when she said she did. He insisted on bringing her back to the studio. That's a little bit creepy. Well I guess maybe not for the eighties and early nineties. I mean it was so creepy. Just not as blatantly creepy. Yeah Erica. So yeah maybe he's he's seems a bit of a small man stake I take. It could go either way like if he wasn't genuine about it. It could definitely go into that. Have you ever modeled kind of way? Oh you're right you know any rainbow t t whenever till you. You could be a model. Here's my card. You should come up to me. I mean. At least she was singing. So that's something. It's only somewhat creepy together. They worked on a few tracks but the main takeaway from the session was the track aftermath. Feeling like he had something really great. He brought the track of massive attack for their next album however they had no real interest in it telling him to focus more on writing for the group. It wasn't long after this that tricky decided to leave massive attack. I Yeah I was Gonna say that's exactly what you don't say to tricky. Yeah I'm GonNa do what I WANNA do. It was a group that he didn't really feel that he had a part in it. I mean arguably he didn't ray and perhaps it was time for him to just try his own approach in this book gets into so much more detail that I can't get into here. There are little snippets and stories of just his interactions with massive attack. That gave him the feeling of being an outsider in this group and influenced him more and more into saying. I like working with these guys. I like making music but but it's time to go before it gets worse. Yes exactly yeah. He took a single cut directly from the tape and pressed it to a few hundred vinyl copies. It was such a success that he garnered the attention of Chris. Blackwell of island records and he wanted to sign tricky immediately. So here we go and we have another story of. Somebody's like I'm just going to do this myself. And he just really successful with it. It's also pretty interesting that he just he just had this one song and released it and this was the eighties. Yeah so he released just point. It's the early nineties. I apologize so he released just one song in the early nineties before the Internet before. Napster before any of that shit before file sharing before you sound cloud just this one song somehow made it to a guy at a major record label. Yup and then he was like all right. I'M GONNA sign this guy based on this one song yet. You're easy was that impressed with him. This crazy I mean. Maybe he did his homework. Vanity worked with massive attack as well but still so. That's probably some first class marketing. Or just some real dumb luck I think in a again I think. Tricky is the first to admit this his life is a lot of dumb luck. Yeah as far as music goes. Yeah other than music. I wouldn't say he had dumb luck. Bad Luck Yeah. Well you got to balance it out. So you know he's GonNa get signed to a record deal but is he gonNa be successful on his own. Oh we'll find out after the commercial break we'll be right back okay. And we're back know by now that we've diagnosed some weird noises in your house must. Yeah it's it's cold it's winter season. Will critters are everywhere? A LOT OF FREELOADERS. Life is a little chaotic. Sleek stealing your Wifi and all those fuckers password protected going in your fridge ceiling your Diet Cokes. I duNno Diet Cokes. Still Jenny Craig. Vail motherfucker get drunk skunks in your basement. Oh Oh that's so cute cute guys. We're weird anyway now that you do the story at Hand Menagerie in here. Let us return so now. Tricky has gone from Aloof Kid to self produce solo artist At this point it's been a couple years since he's worked with Martina but he knew she needed to come back and work with him on the full album. The sound of her sweet and sultry voice complimented his soft wraps perfectly soft rap softwares. That's what I was calling saw. Frappes frappes the process for creating his debut. Lp came easily to tricky once. He realized all he had to do was create. He spent hours with producer. Mark Saunders working through vinyls to put together all of his samples And seeing as how he had no previous musical background tricky was met with a lot of pushback when he was making his music. Marcus trying to clean up some of the tracks changing the notes and he would tell tricky. These don't work together. Musically a lot of people would give them push back to be like. This isn't how music theory works and tricky would say I don't give a shit. This is how I hear it. We're going to do it this way. They would butt heads for a bit and tricky would eventually get his way. Well Yeah I mean. He's the artist and he said this is how I hear it. This is how we're doing it. Yeah I only put the sit here because I want us to start using this phrase but in the book Mark Saunders gets referred to as quote a proper donut proper Dona Dona. That is the nicest ways insulting somebody I have ever heard right. I want a sister using. He's a proper doughnut. Proper and donut are not insulting words but together. It's like this is crazy. He's a proper doughnut. That is a that is for sure a pearl clutching kind of insult. Yes and I love it. I'm here for. He's a pitch be proper doughnut. That's all sausage to me proper donut. Yes and playing the insulted sausage. I like that all of these. Have something to do with food. Yeah I'll definitely have two hoots great but I mean even so tricky does thank him for all the hard work he put into the album because without it wouldn't be the element ended up. Yeah had some other influences well like public enemy and even smashing pumpkins both are sampled in tracks on this album. Martinez was really big into the grunge scene. So that's her introduction for tricky to bands like Pearl Jam Addiction in. Sounds fine. It's the time but you definitely hear. A lot of the public enemy influence in his cover of a public enemy song called black steel. Very Minute Aghazadeh Zorzi sweat. How Bin Laden then a contemplated plan on fugit but did he call it black steel because it sounds like he used steel drums in it. No it's actually cover of A. Oh Yeah it's a cover of a public enemy's black steel our of chaos okay and it's actually very interesting tracks it's all about you know the recruitment during the Vietnam War in the letter saying you gotta go fight now the draft all that Shit. Maybe he made the conscious choice of using steel drums. Definitely sounds like sealed definitely has a very nineties feel not in a bad way it really feels ninety two brings me back to the mid nineties one hundred percent yeah. Martinez vocals were done almost completely in one take. She claimed it was all totally instinctive. Tricky lyrics really stepped up here hitting dark yet. Meaningful themes of death and paranoia the male dread of intimacy drug abuse in cultural decline. Wow that was a lot to shove into one song. All the whole album the okay entire album. It's just. He really hit on a lot of these issues. The final product came out in nineteen ninety-five. It was named Maxine Quaye. But it's all one word. Maximum kway okay is after his late mother. Tricky attributes her death in influence on him as to why he writes in a more Feminine Style and why his lyrics tend towards more darkly realistic yet. Sometimes hold onto a little glimmer of hope But usually it's pretty sad and dark and Glen. Yeah yeah grim neck limb. The thing that threw off many was the album's booklet which featured tricky and Martina dressed in old fashioned wedding outfits but Gender Bent Tricky wore the wedding dress and Martina more the suit and tricky had been known to wear women's dresses on occasion. But it's not from any desire to cross dress Actually pretty interesting. It's starting in his teens. As a way to get attention and push the envelope so to speak you right which is why a lot of people wanNA dudes in their teens where Lady's dresses transgender or they're not crossdressing across. They wanted. Just you know. I don't know I don't hate that. Yeah it was like you're comfortable enough in your own fucking skin to say our dress. Who gives a shit like more like? Why does this make you feel uncomfortable because clearly? I'm not uncovering you shouldn't be uncomfortable by this. But you are so why. So I don't know I think that's something to applaud. That's fine but he also said that it was a way to go against the Macho man culture that's pushed onto the male gender. He thinks all mentioned have to wear a dress at least once in their lives so they can begin to breakdown. That unhealthy concept of you know Macho Man. I'm a big tough guy. Yeah he feels. He did stay in either an interview in the book. I don't remember which about he feels that. There's a sense of insurance. That comes along with that as well you know of. I need to be this big tough guy. You're you're really closing yourself off to other ideas by doing that. Yeah and so also. Dresses weren't really invented specifically for women because historically men wore dresses or skirts or whatever to even more them into fucking battle. So fuck off guys. It's okay guys. You can wear a dress. I kind of agree with the every man should have to run address for a day kind of hot. Yeah awfully kilts likings room and got guys like it's okay like I think. Nothing is sexier than a man. Who's like I'll put on address and some makeup? I don't give a shit because also utilize some nice strong tree trunk thighs peeking out from under. You take a look at them games. Do A twirl for me. But I mean there's nothing sexier than a guy who is not afraid of gender bending and doesn't take him so seriously humor address. Yeah like fuck you have fun. Who Cares I like just like a man sometime? So why don't enjoy dressing like a woman? It's right yeah so I agree with his statement on this. I think everyone should just have to spend a day in the other gender shoes. Yeah or even just like fuck it. Break down the walls. And who gives a shit what you're wearing but back to the ultimate self Maxine Quaye went on to become one of the most influential albums of Arjun Ration- Every music publication hails it as a masterpiece with lyrics and sound woven together to near perfection. It has been put alongside massive attack's blue lines and portis heads dummy as game changers in the electronic world an Oggi's of trip hop and Jeff again. I said like the main three right there. Yeah this is kind of like a a solid foundation for what was to come with electronic and trip hop everything exactly. It really changed music. Yeah Maxine Quaye. Wasn't the only product of collaboration between. Tricky Martina working together on the debut. They began romantic relationship that resulted in a prager. Nancy Pre Gannon aunt. Did she have starch masks? She had so many stars asks who one month. After the album's release their daughter Meena. Maisy was born. The couple didn't last long though that they would still co-parenting champs even if it did result in a lot of arguments on the road they had Meena and brought her along with them and tried. I mean they really did. They meet they gave it the good old college try. They try to give her as fun. A childhood as they could and with a successful album comes the fame the fame that tricky categorically was with yes he was interested in making new sounds in turning hip hop on its head but being flashy rich. Just wasn't something he was going after. Yeah in an ideal world for tricky he would just make music releasing get some money to survive and keep making music but because of his rising popularity he found less and less time for actually making music and I assume he was a lot more popular a lot more in the public eye in the UK in Europe and very much. So I guess around this time he was getting a little bit of exposure in the US. But not not as much as fat boy slim or fuck in Moby fucking moby at least appreciate fat boy slim yet. We can have the conversation some other type of funding there because like moby But yeah I I guess for some people even for people who know tricky. It would be a little bit difficult to understand like wait. What fame like who is right. Who was trying to tail him in stock him in the leg. Bees in his face all the time trying to get you know a good story it was definitely very UK based yeah. He has plenty of stories about being on billboards over there and people seeing him and seeing the billboard right next to him and being like oh. Wow you're famous yet. I guess you should In terms of famous should parallel him to movie. Then you know what I mean for better just in terms of just can't music credibility all just in terms of fame blake imagine. He's getting the same amount of fame in the UK. In Europe that Moby is in America. Right that's fair right. Yeah definitely. She's drawing parallels to write. Your hair allows not comparison. You bring up a good point. I feel like a lot of. Us listeners are thinking tricky. I don't really think he goes. Yeah but he doesn't have an influence over here yet he does even if you don't see even if it's not in your face yeah. I get into it. But they're the he definitely had an influence on certain artists certain movies and all the Shit. He was asked about touring he was humanly against it. When he toured with massive attack he hated it. He found going on stage with a couple of turntables to be a really hollow experience. Also not very conducive to somebody. Who's making music like? He is exactly. I don't think he's a very genuine artist and feels like any sort of shortcut. Is Misleading. Yeah and it's also much more difficult. I think for a DJ tour than it is for Rochman Detour. Yeah it's not organic. It's not something you can just go. And do. I have the time to press buttons on a computer and just queuing up a track that already exists right and I assume that most of their shows are one offs. They're not it's not. They're not touring they're just doing guest spot. You're doing clubs. You're not doing a monster right. That's what I'm yeah well. His manager suggested why not try it with a band and even though tricky was initially thinking the idea was a little crazy he gave it a shot and he actually ended up loving it. That's interesting right. This made him one of the first electronic acts to go out there with a live band and keeping up with his simplistic nature he specifically did not want anyone who looked cool instead he wanted quote old Chubby dudes ban was just these old Chubby dudes. That's hilarious what anyone who looks cool or hipsters or anything he just wanted guys is in the Biz for awhile. Didn't want any anybody wearing Jane goes on his stage. Thank God he's like Dad Jeans and flannel please. Yeah No pook shows no. Jank owes no crazy spiky hair. Don't none of that. I just want Nice Fro. No t shirts that say can't sleep. Clowns will eat me. Nothing like that. No hot topic over here now. He'll audit like nine out of every ten stories we cover success in the music Biz also mentioned uptake and alcohol and drugs. Oh really yeah. Turns out life on the road tarred. Hey we're still going strong with no heroin are we are? We still gonNA keep that going. Tricky was already a bit of a stoner. Okay now he was drinking more and taking pills and doing cocaine to get past the exhaust okay. So we're at coke but good news. No no way no way as you say. In addition to not being a big fan of the fame he hated the popularity. His music garnered. This is rug into some of the. Us stuff And went from being this strange. Different sound to becoming mainstream heared other artists copying his sound. He heard ads for movies with soundtracks. It sounded like his music talks about going to see a quinton. He went to see Pulp Fiction okay. And the ADS before Pulp Fiction. Were USING MUSIC. That sounded insanely similar to his in the trailers and he was so annoyed with us. Sounds about right. This was his because he's not gaining that success in the US but but article brother sure are chemical well. It's like even American artists American filmmakers. They're getting that popular. It's what immediately off of his fucking music chemical brothers was pretty huge in the US at that time. So it chemical brothers honestly. I respect the chemical brothers a lot more than I respect other boats leanest other than can moby guys mopey is legit bottom of the barrel. He's awful were sky as a person. He's awful Oh I do hate episode on Moby would love to do a hate episode mobile. Let's do that. Let's just born at. How bonus episode like if you like Moby told us into our boat we episode can be called the get the hate out series. Oh my God just like fucking rail against these pieces shit. Allow me to give you all my hate on moby. Yeah anyway this played a big part in the creation of a sophomore release so all of this frustration. He felt that he came out with songs. Like those on maxine clay. It wouldn't be different anymore and he would be stuck. Tricky was also in a rare position of power with his record label even though he had released maxine quaye through island records. He didn't have proper contract. How did that how mark was a proper donut? Maybe that's why he's like your proper Dona. I'm not signing a copper track. No proper donuts don't get proper contracts. So when they went to create one he told his manager that it needed to state that for any reason. Island doesn't WANNA release one of his albums. Hey could take it to any label he wanted. Yeah and now that he was so successful they would be foolish to say anything. But yes kinda. Yeah all of this contributed to the sound here on the nineteen ninety six album. Nearly God. The title came from an interview. He did where he was asked what it felt like to be God. Well nearly God Okay Interviewers. I think it was at emi cheese. Of course it's enemy and this album is definitely experimental. There's less structure but still has this feeling of a carefully crafted piece of work. It heavily relies on its many guest singers including an obvious return of Martina But we also see the Terry Hall Neneh Cherry and Bjork as a few standard. Oh and once again. A Little Romance bloomed in the studio when tricky began to Bjork for several months. I can only imagine how that courtship Wentz well in the end he wasn't in a good place to be in relationship and even your called him out on that she would tell him. You're Kinda dark you know you're not seeming like you're on an emotional state for relationship and it's Kinda sweet. I guess in two thousand thirteen. It was early twenty tens. He was being interviewed and he came out and said I'm really sorry to Bjork. I was with her and I was not good for her. I was negative. I mean I wasn't. He just left one day. He ghosted Hugh. I think he was living with her. And just left. Okay yeah that's not good no but he also admits to fully being and saying like she was right. I was not in a good place. I was a bad person. I think she's a lovely person and I hope she's happy and I'm so sorry. First of all good for Bjork furred calling him out on his bullshit BURIC VOID. Call him out on his bullshit though potatoes. Sweet way are you. Very Tiny. Voice gets tricky. Tricky I feel like there's a lot of aggression. I don't know why it is the cutest little league. Because she has such a huge singing voice that in real life. She's very quiet. Unless there's a reporter interface and then she fucking handle on them. If you look up the space ghost episode where Bjork Thom Yorke on it working time. You're you're you're at is an odd couple. Tv show waiting to heighten. So good is the funniest shit and Bjork does have a very soft. Lovely Voice Yeah. She's very sweet. She is unless you get a reporter interface and then she goes ham. Yeah I can't wait to do a bjork episode. It's going to be so. Yeah that's kind of more than one for sure definitely. Yeah it's nice that both. Yes she called about and he understood. Yeah I DID WRONG. Yes how humans should work. You should realize the sheet. You did wrong and even years later. You should fucking apologies. Hey that's great. That's how you guys and not just meter but also grow from it. You become a better person from it. I think he did. I think he one hundred percent did because island wouldn't let him release two albums in one year he called himself the pseudonym nearly God so it's actually hard to find this album interesting spotify because they're like here's how this album nearly God but no using yet still. The album was received with generally positive reviews. Nothing like his debut but they were still here for what tricky was creating and right like. I said two albums in one year. I'm well aware. His debut came out ninety five so in two years nearly ninety six. Nearly God came out so you released and then three albums in two years. Yes the other album that he released under his own name was called pre millennium tension and while it straight a bit from the first album trip hop sound it was in the opposite direction of nearly God so both of them strayed but in completely different ways it doesn't have the experimental atmosphere as its counterpart. This is a bit more aggressive and driving and while some viewed it to be a little too dark and CLAUSTROPHOBIC. Critics overall felt as good about the record as they did with nearly God so neither of them really match the debut but still pretty good pretty good up by the ninety s. Tricky moved to the. Us The obvious move being of course New York City. Yeah there. He gained opportunities to work with American artists. Like puff daddy or royalty he worked so king king PD pinkie. He works with him on a remix of biggies hypnotize. Which yeah okay that checks? He also worked with routines. Raza on a few own nice. That is a collaboration. I am fucking here for exactly. He was still working. In releasing new albums and touring around the thing about Turkey's music. Is that it really speaks to a lot of people because he writes about life experiences. It can range from things like watching a girl. Just brush her hair behind her ear to what he saw one time when he was doing. Peyote oh but he does talk about how he's thinking about. How big and how rich and famous. He is or his grower strippers. He's just like yeah. It was on the street so this girl brush her hair behind her head and it made me think about all these things and he like goes off And that's what's really universal about. His music is that most people can hear it and relate to it. Yeah I honestly can't really to Going to strip clubs Going to strip clubs in your lake. You know or your money to throw around money in Spiegel Mansion. That has fountains actually. And you're good at wrapping. I can't relate to that you have some kind of talent that you can live off of. It makes money I care to that. I don't know what that is. No as you continue along. His lyrics could hit a dark place likely due to his declining mental health at the time. Oh with exhaustion and depression crawling in also. He started calling record companies in his songs accusing them of benefiting from the murders of rappers and suicides of rockers. I mean he's not wrong. No He's not no. He's not saying some hard truths. Hello my name is tricky welcome. My tedtalk called hard truths I only evaded record exacts. Here thanks tricky. The depression was hitting a dangerous low and he finally went to a doctor to get checked out to see if maybe there is some kind of physical issue and actually turned out there was he was diagnosed with Candida or just call it good old-fashioned east infection except in his stomach yikes because he couldn't have the East affection that you all might have gone to. Yeah no you can't you can't have these dude after reading about him talking about Candida. Do I have candy stomach all. Yeah but there can be an overgrowth of it and that's really bad. It was his anti gestion. It's bad for your mental state. Oh no there is a difference. Okay so there is a disease where it's called brewers disease or our where you have to too much of something you know. I don't remember too much something in your stomach. So if you ingest carbohydrates your stomach term mayor and turns it into alcohol and you get drunk from eating carbs. Yeah that's not what he had. I kind of want that disease so I will stop eating carbs or you'll eat them when you need to only when I need to and then I don't have to drink beer. It'd be Great Beers. Also Beers fucking delicious. Yeah see CALICO. That shit can't so what sorry. Sorry but it is Myers beer so good. It's not our fault now I blame the craft. Brewers the booties so what ended up happening is tricky. Changed his diet entirely. No more sugars are carbs. Detox himself all the way and noticed a big change in his mood and physically overall and then I read this like maybe I should do this. Yeah you know what I mean it helps. It probably does but it's also a diet that's not for everybody. True true true as hard. That wasn't the only big change in his life. After Chris Blackwell left island records it was sold to Def jam records which is now a part of Hasbro okay. We talked about that. One ordeal talk about that now. I remember can get a to pocket configure anyway. This ended up being a smooth merger for tricky. They wanted him to make more marketable to the American hip hop scene music. And like that's really not of any interest to tricky. Yeah no don't tell tricky what to do don't he couldn't do it. He's not so he left. He left the label and he ended up On a punk label in Europe called anti records in America he ended up on Hollywood records. Okay she still owned by Disney so we could still have a tricky. I can figure marketing. God help us in two thousand one released his most commercially accessible album blowback. It's pretty mainstream. I say mainstream but it's definitely if I was gonNA tell you to go to an my probably tell you to go to blowback easily accessible and easily absorbed. Yeah he started have Martina unless unless tracks not because he didn't want to work with her anymore but just as a result of trying new things now that he was out in. La On this mainstream label. He ended up working with some pretty well known artists like Red Hot Chili Peppers Cyndi lauper. Okay Ed Kowalczyk of live a woolly who've Alanis Morissette. Okay actually ended up kind of being friends on. That's nice yeah. Blake went to a party together. They stay together through the keeps cool. She's cool yeah cool. That's pretty cool. I feel like they'd be done to hang out with each other. Yeah smoke a couple splits. Laugh about some shit like it's funny because Atlanta's Morissette is if you just if you only know her for her music you're Kinda like she's probably really boring and was just like Komen drinks tea and watches a really boring show. No she likes to fuck in party like smoke pot and all that shit so I want to hang out with laws I would totally hang out with more set and she can dance right. Oh she can denounce wants to many of Turkey's die. Hard fans predictably disliked this album. And Look I'm not GonNa take that away from them. There are some gems on this album like the track excess row. Good but then there's a cover of Nirvana's something in the way and I'm going to say it's not great. Oh Yeah you sent that to me was Not that great. I'm just gonNA tell you to go check out for yourselves kids. 'cause it's for a very specific group of people and I am not in that group. I just don't think that it works for something. In the way it took a song that was infused with a whole lot of meaning and a whole lot of emotion and kind of just made it weird. Yeah yeah an empty mobile after two thousand three release of vulnerable tricky. Would almost absent. Mindedly take a bit of a break from making records instead. He got into the film world for a minute. No it started with being asked to work on soundtracks for Jerry. Bruckheimer Wes. Yup. He did some songs for the CSI soundtrack and a couple other films. What's right that would be something? He would have like a hard no he knew he moved to. La for a bit and just was kind of like all right. I guess this is La Culture. So I should do it yet. I think for a while. And he even says in his book like he just Kinda felt. It's easy to fall into that alley culture when you're out there. I suppose yeah from there. He fell into a few acting roles. Nothing too big just a few. Notables like playing right arm in the film the Fifth Element and having a part in the tool music video for parable Parabola parable in Parabola. Sure I do if I looked at you. You would recommend appropriately. Yes thank you. Tools had have you heard about the FIBIA DOT? Uc crosses the whole litter? Al is album is leg based on the New Zealand. What do you know what the she's living off? I know that's a mean but that has literally happened to me. It's her life on at least a couple of occasions so it's ashes. Life guys perhaps his brief moments in front of the camera which he deemed boring bullshit. You just again like tricky. Doesn't like that Shit. Yeah it's really boring. Them inspired him to do a movie of his own called Brown punk. It's filmed almost like the show that office but it's not a comedy like it's filmed in the in the same vein of like a documentary style. People talking to the camera right right That's he compares. It's that but it's not funny. Yeah it's supposed to be like a documentary of his own life but it's kind of blurred lines of the truce okay. I don't know I haven't had never been released. I don't think okay. Thank you can see some clips on Youtube. But that's a yeah. In addition to the film he also started his own. Small label called Brown punk where he helps produce smaller artists. After moving to Paris in two thousand eight it was brought to tricky is attention that he hadn't released an album five years genuinely. I know thought that had to change. And it did with the record knowle west boy and it was here that we see on a track called council estate finally Solo and really singing not doing his usual soft spoken lyrics. Oh all right you see remember with even his His singing is more like barked lyrics. Right not really seeing it. Yeah I mean he doesn't ever sing. Sing saying yeah things things saying he just but still. That's that doesn't even sound like him for hot second. Yeah because it's just so dot com and softly spoken. Yeah just sounds angry and gave it to you know works. It does it. All just came from the fact that like he ended up having to work with less and less of a band and he didn't have anything to hide behind. Yeah but it was the track school gates. That was a catalyst for change to come in. Turkey's life after releasing a video for an old high school girlfriend heard it and she knew she needed to talk to him why she got a hold of his sister. Who called him right before a show to tell him what she was told that he had another daughter. Oh Yeah Oh that's why her name is Marie and tricky. It always suspected he might be the father. The timing was just a little too perfect but he never pursued it and the mother never told him before he should've taken her on. Mauri did the Turkey you are. The father told you I told you well. That's great though. I do like being a dad. He's just calmly like. Oh that's wonderful. I really wanted to be quite nice. I'm glad to be her father. I think that'd be lovely wonderful. Can let's go home now. Let's go home all right. We'll have chattan learn about you a little bit more Monas- private that's probably exactly what the reaction was leased. Exciting episode of Maurice Eddie Nicest episode more to ever Air Okay. Yeah he was like seventeen or something when they boned or they're dating and she got pregnant soon after and like he just. Kinda do because that was his thing done for everything in life pretty much trickier a one and done kind of guy. Well I did it. I'm done now. I'M GONNA go and we'll go. I'M GONNA. I hid out. This is your daughter. Well Shit then I hit Al once once they got the total proof with DNA tests. They began to build a relationship. Good yeah so I mean. He has a pretty decent relationship with Marie. Dmz He's a good dude. He's not a bad dune he really isn't like a really good dude. He does like some dumb shit when he was a kid and like a balloon up to it. Exactly every instance of somebody calling him out or like he's like you're right. I was an asshole. Yeah or like oh I have a kid okay. I'm going to be a dad now. Cool do what I can. Shit in the late auto reunion occurred with tricky massive attack time. He'll most wounds and they worked on music again in two thousand sixteen. They released the album ritual spirit. Which was the first to see trick at since Nineteen Ninety-four? Wow you up. But in two thousand twelve he had the once in a lifetime opportunity to perform with beyond saying on stage at the Glastonbury festival wound. But let this go to show. How very shy. Tricky is and how he never really gotten over it when he got on stage with one of the most famous popstars in the world in front of over two hundred thousand people. Tricky just froze. He missed his verse and finish the Song. Without uttering a word in his Mike O. And he's just a nice dude is like I can't be in front of all these fucking people afterwards. He would blamed technical difficulties to avoid total embarrassment however he does say that the onset was gracious about the whole thing actually a really normal person. She didn't ask for a special trailer. She said the same dressing room that everyone else had and it was really nice to Donald. Fucking worry about it. I don't care. We had fun like she danced on him for a second. You saw Jay Z. And he's like I'm not going to do anything. Women don't look at me and gold but also you can't say shit shut the fuck up honestly and probably not. Yeah Yeah. Tricky may not have gotten an ego over his success but he probably should have gotten a tax guy. Jesus he just gets like google rope of like every musician thing. Oh Yeah Not Musician Story. His aloofness does him no favours. Yeah not also doesn't favors. It's weird again like I said. He's very lucky and music. Very unlucky in life because by two thousand ten he discovered that he owed over five hundred thousand dollars in unpaid taxes on both sides of the Atlantic. Honestly that's not a whole lot comparatively. You're putting some people you would sink. He also had a former manager of suing him for unpaid wages. Oh yeah so. He has a lot going on here and you would think like most famous musicians should be nothing right. Well no this was no easy fix of okay. Let's just work hard and pay this off. He had moved around so much of it on so many levels that it was hard to tell exactly how he was gonNA fix each issue. Because it's hard to tell like where they started where they ended. Yeah he also didn't notice how he spent money he never learned to drive so we had a lot of car services he did drugs he would just go out and spend money and yes he is successful but he is not that success so and again didn't realize that he didn't have his he's like oh taxes he's not good with money clearly didn't have any and neither were any of the people that he hired to manage his money. I don't know who was managing as money if anybody wants at all exactly just when he was about to give up on everything and move back in with his family in Bristol this close to two when he just turned into a millennial clock struck twelve the carriage turned into a Pumpkin and he became a millennial. Oh this is what we do if somebody's going to move back. I don't need this fame as fine. A German record manager named Horst Vinyl Mueller from K seven records. It's an exclamation point. In front of K Seven Kevin Records. He approached him to work on a new album and to help him with his finances and it was no easy trick. Tricky was still making music and putting out albums and even started another label called false idols. Here released an album of the same name around that time. Okay solid. I'm GonNa tell you right now if you're going to listen to a tricky album. I really like false idols. Great but even with releases and tours. He was not seeing an end to his debt so they decided to take away a majority of his live band like I said he was slowly and slowly taking away little pieces of his set. So daddy this resulted in some experimentation with an album called skilled mechanics pretty stripped down effort and it was produced a bit hurriedly overall. It's tricky least favorite album But overall this experience helped in every aspect from learning how to be such good businessmen to even a better performer. Such good businessman. He's much better businessman now than he was before with them with a minimal band. There is nothing to hide behind and so we had no choice but to work on his confidence. And it's all been for the better trickiest music. Creation process has changed becoming more thoughtful and not so rushed. He's been touring successfully gaining more and more fans and retroactive praise. For albums that may not have been recognized for their potential at first overall tricky. Never let the fame get the better of him as a person he just wants to be treated with respect like any other normal human he understands how hard life can be and so he can fund the beauty in everyday life which makes his music so relatable Even at fifty two. I think he still has a lot to offer and will continue to shape music for a long time and deserves to get his do. It's kind of crazy that he's fifty two. I know he don't look fifty two boiler good You know what they say. I do know what they say. And it's true however like trickiest book. I am ending this on a very sad note. Oh so buckle up. Oh God yeah what happens so maybe not everyone realizes this and I did address this earlier in the episode but mental illness is genetic uh-huh it can easily run the lines of your family's DNA in this case. Tricky IS MOTHER. Maxine had it. He himself was certainly showing symptoms and so is his daughter. Macy just this past may twenty. Nineteen maisy tragically took her own life this understandably absolutely rocked tricky and Martinez worlds as well as many others. Maisy was a budding musician. Herself she was a member of the south London. Collective called four into read the last chapter of Tricky Book. It is simply a page that he clearly wrote after like. I think he finished the book. And then this happened again. Added the Sin Rape. Before it was published the second slash chapter is so sweet and positive and he talks about like how he's come from so much and how he's been really lucky and then the last actual chapter is just a page. It's just about how maisy took her life. He doesn't know how to process it. He's lost people. But this is just one yeah and ends on such a bleak and sad and it's sad because you do see how much he's gone through and how much he's progressed and celebrated and done so well throughout it and then he ends on this note in. I think a lot of people can relate to that of seeing like this loss in your life wondering. Can you recover from it? We don't know he's still made a little music but this is this is the one. This is the loss that rip rip at his heartbreak. It is to lose your child to sue US. Like he started his book losing his mother to suicide and he ends his book losing his daughter to suicide. And it's crazy and sad and I feel my heart goes out to and Martina and all the people in their lives. Because that's such issues so young. And she her own artist making her own path and heard a little bit of the 4:04 collective they put out a song that was written by her and called blindspot. I highly just looking up. It's a very good song. She clearly is touting was talented. And it's a shame on so many levels to lose her but that's how powerful mental illnesses is that somebody who is young and has their entire life ahead of them and is doing creative and important things and they know they're doing creative and important things that mental illness is still so powerful that it overtakes everything else right now. That's the tragedy and as and say it every time if you guys are feeling lost or like you don't matter you do and reach out and get help because this is what happens in aftermath is that there are people left behind and it rips our lives apart. Yeah losing you is worse than you thinking that you don't need to be here. Yeah well. That was a bummer. Note to leave in on. You're welcome. I hope really hoping this is going to be positive at the end. Sorry no it's not your fault. Say but he's volume as fall. It's you know look out for each other. Look yourself you matter so yeah I think that's the point. I really want to bring home with. That is whether you think so. We're not you do in fact matter to at least one person and that is worth getting help. Yeah for definitely get help. Think you need it. There's no shame in that. Take a pill if you need to see a therapist if you need to do you need to do you know. Shimano CBD oil. I don't know what you need to do. Just straight up fucking pot all the time. That's fine add. Figure it out like whatever you need to keep yourself here do it. And just not heroin. Oh Yeah just. Don't do heroin. Heroin GonNA keep you here. It's not it's fast tracking straight to not here heroines. A fast track to not here but like I was saying especially because of all this. Listen to Turkey's music. It's so good and you're going to hear so much influence in a specially when you listen Ma. Anything just listened to Maxine Quaye. Yeah eighties such a great album. He is so talented Martinez amazingly talented and is really the foundation of you. Know everything you listen to. Now if you listen to now from fucking dub step bullshit to scroll ix or whoever the Falke is and like Ariana Grande Day or whatever honestly it really is the foundation for all of the modern pop that we listen to now and even the Rock dwayne Johnson the loves tricky probably shun listening to Turkey. 'cause I'm saying it way. The Rock Johnson listens to tricky. He probably does honestly if you want to be like the rock the rocky no scrub scrub at all while all right so thank you guys so much for listening China when it here because we hit rock bottom. We're done we're over this. Thank you for listening. 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Make it Stop: Worst of Madonna

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Make it Stop: Worst of Madonna

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We've had some wonderful guests wonderful episodes recently but We're GONNA do another one of our worst respective 's of Looking back at a very famous popular artists career and choosing Cherry picking the worst. First of their you know long. Many decades of contributions to our culture and we are going to sneer ear and short all at their occasional follies. Even though there's some of the most prolific artists of all time So we have done done. Three of these types of episodes are. This is our third who did to previously which were David Bowie and Prince. Yes I bring that up because I recently had lunch with my dad and he admitted that he was very upset that we even ever bothered to David Bowie. Worst of episode road to that. I say he should listen to the songs and then wake reassess. I know he didn't have much to say when I was like come on. New York's in Love New York's and love soon he yeah he yeah but mistreats it. Does he liked it. And no no but I think he would argue that like that. The whole whole of their contributions of David Bowie's contributions like far outshine. The you know occasional duds which eight you know is totally true but we are here to be snarky assholes also find the worst and everything. Yeah I mean that's kind of what we do and for the most part you know we focus on bad artists but I mean sometimes you get a turnover those rocks for your heroes and see the the gritty underbelly. The were like it's not we're not saying prince or David Bowie is bad. We're not saying thing with Donald Dad. You very lean we very lead guys already. So that's right now. I didn't oh but they already know it. Because they eh dot. It also said Bitch I'm Madonna can point we're talking Madonna CICCONI leaders and Oh yeah baby guests her real name just like Prince Prince Rogers Nelson and David Bowie was like something else David something. Oh I think he was David Joan David. That's right but he wouldn't be Davy Jones monkey so anyway. This is reflecting our knowledge. Guys we're here to speak our truth and to talk about Madonna the highest selling female artist of all time. Yeah yeah real trailblazer too. I mean if you look at top selling artists I watched this like INFO this like INFO graphic video showing the top charting artists of every quarter of every year. Starting with nineteen seventy. Yeah and it's like like it's all it's all dudes all the way until nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three. And then it's Madonna and from then on you start seeing more and more female female artists start getting top hits you start seeing Celine Dion Carey. She kinda opened the doors for that stuff for. Yeah for I guess. Society as a whole start valuing women popstars. It's true. Yeah I mean we had Debbie Harry you know. He did have similar but she was. Yeah and Madonna definitely broke. I mean she yes. She paved the way for so many artists and is so legendary dairy that you know it is really kind of hard to take aim at Madonna. Donna has done some wild shit. Yes yes we'RE GONNA TAKE A. It's no worries. There will be some aim we'll be we'll be cocked and loaded for definit- definitely some some songs. But I do think that part of the reason why Madonna has done so much wild shit and has made More especially as of late in her career more misteps steps musically is because bitch she's Madonna and because she's kind of had such a such an aura. Such a protect of of protection around her and of and respect that she maybe is not as beholden to like taste anymore. Or you know what I mean like. She doesn't listen to anybody because she does what she wants. I would also argue that you know and I don't mean this disrespectfully Fli right But I do think that Madonna's whole career has been based around sort of appropriating something that's happening in the current Zeitgeist and fucking slaying putting her own mark on it you know. Yeah she did it. If you like with Erotica Erotica yes. down-tempo vogue yeah and the votes lasak appropriation. Right there that yeah And then onto onto even you know Ray of light like that was you know she was tapping into the electron that was happening at the time. And then even like like confessions on a dance floor. Like the resurgence of disco and French house and stuff. Yeah and I think then Ed Bitch I'm Madonna getting so feed to produce it exactly. Yeah and I think the problem is and you know. I don't want to spoil too much but a lot of the songs on this list are GonNa come from in her more recent albums as she gets older and as Pop Music morphs into an increasingly You know sort of robotic. EDM driven idea harper him. Ju Yeah just the latest the latest last few iterations of what pop music is. I don't really fit the Madonna aesthetic or it's just she's really having trouble adapting feeling well and I think that's the problem is that she went from setting the stage and setting the tone and leading the way to then having to Kind of follow and and she knew it like she. She has plenty of of of famous. You know writers and producers around her that she can easily call on and so she can approximate a sound of an of a time But before she would take that and she would really transform it and subvert it and do things like kiss black Jesus feet You know in a music video for for like a prayer and then you know cut to process burning and then a gospel choir singing and dancing around here. So she's still doing pretty pretty provocative stuff but it's people aren't really taking notice like they used to right well and it's also the Kabbalah stuff and there's fake accents and there's a lot of fake accents just going to the Lindsay Lohan school actually Lindsay Lohan was going to Madonna's school. The cost lyrical flaunting of her privileged privilege. Yeah like it's a big. But then the sanctimonious yeah the combination of both things of like. I'm looking down on you for not being in woken up and seeing through this American farce. But I'm GonNa talk about shaking my ass and doing pilates having three nanny again. I want to stress like I love. Madonna yeah I really do. I actually realized in the of course of this. How much I I really love Madonna more than I even gave myself for her credit for like I I was like I'm a huge aged prince fan? I'm a huge Bowie Fan. And when it was like worse than Madonna was like Oh this is going to be easy and even some of these songs like we had to go back and forth of until the very end to pick the the you know the bottom ten. 'cause some of them I was like this is honestly pretty good and actually a lot of them still they have like really good elements but then they oh my God that can be so terribly really frustrating and ruined and and you know eviscerate all goodwill that you build towards them. So don't worry stop as we do our due diligence. Actually Mike did his due-diligence and so you should talk about your process. How many albums? How many compilations will I will say? My Twenty Nineteen spotify wrap top artists was Madonna. Yeah it's because of this. I listened to every single Madonna Song ever fourteen studio albums three soundtrack albums five live albums. I didn't listen to live albums. Six nine six compilation albums did listen to the original songs on the compilation albums and thirty five other limited releases. I don't know that I got all of those I did. Did you listen to some songs that only releases a single lake Justify my love but obviously that song is good Didn't make this list and what what I did is I listened in reverse chronological order and I will say hether. I agree with you some of the songs they picked or some of the songs that would be sort of like squabbled over which ones we were going to use. Are there elements of them. That are good. I will say listening to her. Most recent albums twenty nine hundred. Madame exe which you were saying should have made the worst maybe made? The worst of the year definitely was a contender. But Yeah Twenty. Nine hundred madame x twenty. He's fifteen rebel. Heart Twenty twelve's MDA. I listened to the Super Deluxe versions of those albums which are like thirty tracks each And the the effect of listening to all those new Madonna songs like in a row for hours. It's as a some. They're worse than the individual parts. It is a cluster headache like several. It was a bad experience listening to the first few albums I did. Not It like it is starting to like hate Madonna. Oh them but then it was like as I started getting into Starting with two thousand five confessions fashions on the dance floor which is fucking amazing which is checked out a great album start from there and there was American life which I think is her. Absolute worst album Our friends at Jukebox heroes did an episode with our friends at Rock Candy. Yeah about that Albert Candy. Also on the Pantheon podcast network podcast network Everything before that like Music Ray of light bedtime stories erotica all that shit into the eighties classic material like it was like getting out of a cave into coming out of like crawling my way out of a cave into like the shining light next to a beautiful babbling creek. A A statue of the Virgin. Mary then comes to life and Madonna's making out with her in there becomes her. See that you just got a good idea. Madonna make that video. Oh but that's I think yes so it became a great experience not much bad stuff up until the two thousand. Yeah I mean. Honestly that's where we're all of us fell apart. Didn't we But she is definitely one of those eighties like we talk. We've talked about how a lot of seventies artist filled in the eighty s and a lot of eight hundred ninety s couldn't adapt but Madonna adapted well into her forties. And then I guess that was the shift where it went from from something that felt effortless trail-blazing into something that felt very effort full very like trying very hard to kind of catch up as opposed to setting the pace. And I don't know how that happened. I don't really know exactly. You know why that happened. I just decided maybe that there were so many Generations of now artists and and popstars budding. You know in her wake that we're so influenced by her like the Lady Gaga is that just kind of came came out and did Madonna into the next level. I don't know you know what I mean. Like her. Protege is kind of like took over. You know it's also Bir- Bowie was like. He was a popular artists but he was. You Know Glam Rock Experimental Art Rock. Yeah Prince had the defunct along the MINESSOTA sound he was popped too. But I've Madonna's pretty much pure pop has changed so much and it's a young person's it's your person's game yeah and also also she. Her brand is based around her sexiness. And she's clinging to that still into her sixties which she's looks great last look she does but like. It's still awkward. It's awkward. It's amy poehler from mean girls coming in with little teacup dog. Kuma Oh mom it's cool you can have a drink. I don't mind if you have it in the house like you know. And it's it's it's great that she's a cool mom but it's not it's not actually cool right at that's point. Yeah I'm the same way. It doesn't hit the same way that it did once so she also just started feeling like she needs to get political and then she needs to do get woke. I mean she's very political. It was about the communist revolution. Just sorry no. Of course Gore's not nothing she did before that was really political. Besides the fact that she was like Her existence was kind of political female artists. Papa don't preach was in the a lot of shit on the erotica album was about HIV yeah that's true But I think the Bush sh Era George W. Bush era on anybody to be honest. I don't know it's it's very as they say. Hollywood Hollywood liberal purview because that is also part of it to where we started to not pay attention as much to her music and and we were paying attention more to what the tabloids were saying about her and like her kids and her like fake religion. I mean what fake religion religion and You know and then I'm fairly focused. He yeah that probably was really bad. I did not watch it But then like also also really unfairly focusing on her looks and on her. You know getting earn her aging and and I mean that's GonNa fuck you up. I don't know basically what I want to say is Madonna. I Love I love you Madonna. I love you Madonna and so Mike Dunn loves you too. Yeah but we we gotta be honest. We gotTA talk about these ten songs right. Yeah we just gotTa have a quick talk. We're GONNA have a little chat. Should we real quick. Just talk about How two of our musical resolutions from the New Year have already come? Oh Yeah we can very briefly discuss that because an came true last year without me even realizing because my one of my resolutions was actually actually queer SAS revised survival. There's a band called brothers. Yeah and there's being called C.. You Space Cowboy. which is exactly that and I discovered them this past week? it's Yeah it's it's exactly what I call it exactly. Does it count as calling it if it already have it. We just didn't know well. You know it happened within the last year starting. It's starting okay. Also yeah and scarves back everybody. US four wave is here here and it's strange. It's so strange and I've had it stuck in my head for four days. It's awesome guys one hundred GECK'S GECAS GECAS banned from St Louis. I believe a duo electronics. Scary Glitch. E Fair Art Bre Ham freakout manic thank pastiches of the nineties like in the early two thousand and early two thousand bands. We've covered like mashed together. Like they're a broken side there there are. They said their biggest influences were John Zone and three Oh three. So then they have playboy Cardi. Yeah yes they Scott like trap influences power pop punk scream. Oh I it's it's an electronic and happy hardcore like intense electronic. Not just casual she i. It's it's weird did and I liked the song stupid horse. Yeah it is the first the first shots fired of the fourth wave of sky. Yeah we're in it and they even said it. They commented the fourth way this year. So there you go. Everything's coming true lack new metal. Thus we're eight non it'll happen in the FOO Ghazi Reunion. Come on Oh my God yeah seriously okay. So we got that the way back to Madonna. Let's go back to Madonna. And I think we should just get right into it to the tenth in our worst of Madonna. By the way we will make this playlist available to you. I don't know why you would want to listen to this stuffy visa again. That's why we do this work for you But if you WANNA listen to it and judge for yourself go right ahead. We'll leave it in the show nuts K. R.. Alright so this first on here is called Jimmy Jimmy. This is from true blue. Nineteen eighty six in uh-huh whatever that is la get. That's okay that that does not excuse the sense congas. I will say that I will say that the I just I I have a a sour spot in my heart for any like fifties like doo-wop influenced eighties music like I'd like. Oh Mickey you're so fine you know the mony mony cover cover it I I. It does sound very mony mony and I felt like I had to include something from the eighties to round out the list. Yeah Yeah you can tell I mean again that like that Little Hook. It's it's catchy. Her voice sounds good. She's got that eighty S. You know that eighties vibe that eighty sheen you can smell it. But it does sound like the soundtrack to an animatronic sock hop it. It's like a theme song for a pot. Arrose steakhouse you know. It's just hen zesty salads over here and ninety nine out day it just red lobster red lobster energy. Yeah but I don't even know if it's enough for the Olive Garden But there are since instruments on the on this song that I had never heard before so definitely the synth since Cuban drums since xylophone phone. We've heard before at some point. I think she might use the Cuban drums on La Bonita which is a great song. Yeah I know in other great song it honestly. This one's not that bad but it's great I think it's the worst of the worst of the batch for her eighty stuff though. Yeah shows how good her eighty stuff. It's really strong I mean. Have you heard the immaculate collection. Just goes on and on. It's just saying hi. Now Blessed Virgin Madonna but yes lyrically to it's just like Shangrila fifty s girl group. That's it's fucking great. Yeah but you know just like ooh bad boy and he's leaving town that's great. I love that. That's great. Okay the PAG. Yeah but it was of. It's time you know what I mean. Well I listen. I'm trying to bring back girl groups in the Lord Twenty twenty so like I of its time. What is time anyway? We're all living in a fucking hallucination. All right so I guess the Song Watch. I like the song. I don't love this song on but I don't have anything really bad to say about it. I just find it pretty repetitive. And annoying and it's it's one chord other than the other than Little Hook. She's like a two bar hook. That's just like a bound bound bound. BOP BOP BOP BOP BOP of the. It's just months quotes guardians. Her eighty stuff is generally much better than this. I'd say you think of any of the hits I know how this this compares to like borderline. I just. I love that Song I love. This is a throwaway filler. D- Madonna track. Yes yes it is still honestly is not that bad but okay sure all right. Let's move on to the next one Hanky Panky not the Dick Tracy Tracy as Amtrak. I'm breathless also did you. Did you know I didn't know this until I did this. Whole listen to every Madonna Song thing? Yeah she know. Vogue is on the Dick Tracy Soundtrack. Why why Literally why that makes absolutely no sense. I don't know it just is okay the closing track on Dick Tracy. Why she did the whole soundtrack? I mean that I understand. Yeah it's like Prince's Batman and that was the time to do when they were letting popstars do entire soundtracks in nineteen ninety. Yup that okay. Well let's listen to go all right. Let's hanky-panky here. This is you know some fun. Little late BPM fan fix lettering Madonna. Thank God and in back taxes. Don't ought to thank fakey. Nothing like a good spanky. There's nothing like it. She yes a lot of lyrics later in her career banks to notice that too but at least she's that's one way she's consistent one of the only ways as Yeah that's something just some some jazz hands and some light you know it's like it's like Cherry Poppin daddies addy's playing cassio. Oh that's basically what it is. Yeah then lyrics about getting spanked by Warren Beatty. What a fantasy? What a beautiful fantasy sir? Tourist Advantage Also don't give me no kisses. I could get that from my sister. I mean literally she wants to go straight into the paddling is what she's saying like. No time for pleasantries. You know direct. Do Not Pass Go. Oh do not collect two hundred dollars paddler ass all right so you know what just use the woman who knows what she wants Yeah I definitely gave me like high school musical rendition of Chicago. Five this is actual high school. Yeah precisely that Ashley Simpson is doing the League they say. Yeah it's it's it's definitely not good. It's definitely not good. I understand that she's supposed to be in character on this album job but it's just as cheesy as music can get. Yeah Yeah it's still that red lobster you know heavy red lobster. Five prepackaged repackaged very canned. Nothing feels organic about everything. Came Out of like a twenty Gallon Cisco Drum. It's not great. It's not great. Have you seen Dick Tracy now. I I haven't seen it since I was like five years old so I've never understood it okay. Great segment in the end. It's supposed to be bad right. I don't know is it. It looks cool. Colors are very braid. I remember that everyone's wearing neon suits Al Pacino. He had his book. I remember that okay. Cool Yeah Yeah that. That's our new segment. Heather in Mike Discuss things that they don't know anything about another show. I love the juxtaposition of the lyrics and the music to you know like this is just but a dinner theater spank more interesting. She figured it out on the next had a sometimes awkward like Madonna really goes there in with her sexual lyrics sometimes. Yeah but she kind of a suffers from the same ship. miley Cyrus suffers from share share. There were a little like it. It'd be it crosses the line from being actually sexy into being like a little bit revolting. Yeah especially when it is like your mom. She's the age of our parents and it gets a little weird but letter live. That's true women have sexuality okay. She was young. I'm here yeah that's true. So let's get spanked. She maybe she needs it. She deserves it the songs Kinda Kinda it's kind of cat soundtrack. A little tricky a little bit of ooh. Yeah don't insult Madonna like this is no McAvennie. Let's do we talk about cats. Oh we we did. We talked to him. I haven't seen it. I won't see it. Whatever we talked about in lost episodes too much all right? Let's move on to the third worst not the third worst seventh-worst whatever you know what I mean. The next one is worst. Yeah Oh yeah ten to nine eight. Yep Yep great doing great You know how much I love math. Another regular segment headed as math. Oh we didn't do the is Madonna a piece of shit but I feel like the answer is no not really No she's maybe she's a white woman so in that way. Yes she's like she's like. I put put her on the same sort of category as Bano. Yeah no charitable but pompous. Yup You know icon at attach a little little bit weird about it. Yeah okay all right another great segment. Okay guys let's move on to the next one which is called dark ballet. This is one of the weirdest songs this is six and a half songs. I don't know which clip to to play because you should play the Swan Lake Part. This is the category democracy of songs. It's just let's just throw more shit in there. I am in the we are nice aware current it just. It's not working and none of that has no. Oh no no no this where it does get real bad guys sits for sure bad now. So Madam X was her attempt at Baroque pop. I think this is her trying to be FDA twigs or oh But with like a Latin influence. There's a lot of singing in Spanish and Portuguese on this album lottery. McDonald's in a lot of an Italian too. Yeah but there's other songs things. She's now a little international flavor on this one except she literally grew up in New York. So she's not. She is Italian American arrogant. She's not Portuguese. She's not Spanish the first track on the album Madeline Madeline Not magdaline no But it's there's actually three Collaboration between her and the Sky Malima and he's like a young Latin performer. And like there's all these rumors swirling about them. Go get it Madonna go go. Fuck a young Latino L.. Like a beautiful young boy sock his. Life's blood. Whatever you need to shoot? Don't make this music don't do this. And she's like I'm going to do your music but I'm GonNa put put by the way I looked it up. It is from the Nutcracker Nutcracker yeah that Song lyrically she's like reading from the perspective of Joan of ARC is. Is that what that's supposed to be. Yeah Yeah and then but then it ends with this weird spoken word which we heard the bombing Assad where she sounds like a half rate like fake Disney. which that's about to curse baby? I you'll be cursed with blindness forever. Like what the fuck you'll be because tweets blind is more like fake French pseudo Italian bullshit and like I'm trying to figure out what she's talking about in the spoken word partly I almost almost feel like she's addressing Epstein conspiracy. Because she says they are so naive they think we are not aware of their crimes. We know but we are just not ready to act act. The storm isn't in the air inside of us. Like is this Cunanan. I don't think so I want to tell you about love and loneliness but it's getting late now. Can't you hear outside out of your Supreme Hoodie. The win this. That is the fucking shit over your Ed thinking that any of this was going to be taken seriously like I. I'm blown away by the by the ability to be like simultaneously like fucking like just like theatrical and like so goofy and ridiculously over the top like a caricature of like Liga bad fake Disney villain villainous and like an also managed to be like sanctimony and like you know we understand where the real ones who see the realized lies between the real was as guys you know like maybe he s Q on. I don't think so. I think it's just her trying to you. Know Virtue Signal and be fake woke by saying that she understood she gets it without actually having anything to get you know. It's always a little vague like you know. I don't know what I don't trust. Madonna have working class solidarity and she grew up working class but that was a very very. It was a long time ago long time ago. Yeah she's right. She's she's been immaculately conceived many times since then. Yeah I just I think that's her kinda trick is that she's like well if I you know if I paint this with a very broad watery brush than maybe okay. You won't notice that there's actually I painting anything like there's no picture here. You know what I mean like if you keep it just you know just vague enough then you can claim to be deep and just say that nobody got it but it really. There's not much to get well. I think she really thinks she's fighting the good fight to like you know with this Feminists imagery the Joan of arc stuff. And just the Madonna is a feminist icon in a lot of ways but she's also unfortunately a white feminist icon. Who really hasn't done a lot of that work to be You know thoughtful about intersection -ality or like thoughtful about the stories that she's telling paying or the languages and accents she's appropriate anger that you know or or the other like a lot of black artists that she's gotten to collaborate with her including Mickey Blanco. Go on this album. I think You know who is the Black Trans artists like one of my favorite artists who. I think it's all well intentioned but what like what actually is the intention like even we'll we'll talk about it today. You know Nicki Minaj and other songs she does with Lil Wayne where it's like She's trying to look like she is with it and she's hip and she's gets it Without actually doing any of the work to get there you know what I mean. It's unearned. Yeah yeah she definitely is at her worse when she's trying to do rap or so we haven't even talked about like dark carnival fuck invoked quarter shit like we didn't even talk about that we just get it right over that that's crazy. We didn't mention that yes. It was all vocal. It was crazy that was the what was the goal. She was trying to evoke a clockwork orange. Okay why I don't know it's you know this is one of many any madonna songs produced by Moore Wise. I'M A guy. She's clever with a lot. The I think he's a bad influence on Madonna to be honest with you He produced the whole album music. He produced all of American Life Those aren't great albums and she didn't really those albums are not great We'll we'll definitely get into that. It's but you're like in the sense that it sucked any momentum out of her potentially coming back into relevance would she came back into relevance. I feel feel like with the confessions on the dance floor by working with a different producer. Like this guy definitely Ulan that she worked with on that. No that was hard candy. Yeah Oh the timber brothers. There's hard candy. The timber brothers and ferrall and for the Neptune always good idea. Yeah great idea. When when you're old Madonna yeah but again similarly just appropriate? Yeah what other people and. That's kind of super appropriate black music for a long time black also appropriate. What's interesting thing is that there's a piece of like re appropriate like appropriating from pop stars? That probably got a lot of their influence originally from early Madonna Don regurgitation. You know psycho where she's like okay. Well they're now what's popular. Even though they took a lot of you know what made them popular from my original like playbook but instead of sticking to lake I guess what I'm good at I'm GonNa go back and like pillage from from them I. I don't know it's weird. It's just a very weird weird weird song yes very straight. I think it's like she's trying to be weird. Madame x like some of the songs are more successful than others like I did. I didn't I don't think this is her worst album But it's definitely her most transparently like try hard really. I need to be edgy. Really trying to be edgy. And and Outside the box. And it's you need. Give back in that box Madonna. You know we can make the box bigger and more comfortable for you. But it's we don't need voters and fucking spoken word on the same track is like six and a half songs on that on that song. Most of them are bad songs. They're just all layered on top of each other. It doesn't make any. It's not good and she said she wasn't too much. She said she was trying to do like a Bohemian rhapsody. Almost on this one oh really does the critics would that critics say about this album mix. Yeah the Maj stands the hardcore the pop heads. Yeah you ever go to slash pop. Heads is only gay. Men Who Post they're wonderful. They're all huge. Madonna stands J. in general on that board She's like the holy grail and they love this album. Okay the interesting but maybe I'll give it a chance but this is not the song onto enter into. I don't think it's as good as they think. It is on pop heads. I think this awkward the fact that she collaborated with Mickey Blanco's very interesting interesting. She's definitely done some neat collaboration. She's like you said that you're talking about Madonna that was a sophie collaborations. She You know yeah she's I mean she's got the connections no one's GonNa they know to him but he no except Mariah Carey really sworn enemy really pretty sure. Yeah she's she has a couple pop pop world roll beefs that are like really intense all right. Here's a list of her feuds. Apparently Elton John David Letterman. I don't know if these are really true. This is Yeah Sandra Bernhard Arsenio Hall Mark Wahlberg. Oh because Mark Wahlberg reportedly used a homophobic slur to refer to a member of Madonna's entourage of party already in nineteen ninety-three. Here we go it is Mariah Mariah. Carey's was definitely Madonna said in nine hundred ninety six Mariah. Carey's music wasn't art art and that if she had to sing Mariah Carey's song she'd kill herself The have never reconciled. That is a really shitty thing to say Madonna Madonna. What the fuck talking that rag? Here's an amazing vocalist. Apparently Madonna has a feud with dead mouse. Also Gwyneth Paltrow Elton John Janet Jackson's either. When I was trying to Janet Jackson and Madonna hate each other? I guess because Madonna tried to date Michael Jackson in the early nineties. ooh also apparently Madonna and Prince I didn't know about that. She dated him briefly. Also now I don't know if this is apparently she dated Britain's very very briefly. Whatever this is me reading some trash tabloid on the Internet so anyway I'm going to share and share? Also that's the big three riot share and Jackson Janet. And honestly you have to choose a side you have to choose a side. I choose not Madonna in uh-huh but I do think that's interesting right because she's Madonna Bitch. She's Madonna's icons I know what the fuck along women of color I don't know I don't know Madonna. It's not known to tell someone that their music is an art although we do that literally the episode. Jesus that's an excellent. This next one is called incredible. It is off of hard candy. The aforementioned collaboration with the timber brothers a hey justin timberlake timberland. Who are in fact? Brothers this one. I think this is produced by the Neptune's and pretty much Too Mine's Anita. You want. So this is another one that we're a little split on. Apparently we're split. I hate this song. I think it's okay. I think it's pretty good actually I. I don't unwind the I think the Huck is pretty good. I think the hook is bad. And it's a problem because it gets stuck in your head like it really lodges itself in there included credits. It's not even the bridge the the the hook though just like kicking answers my handler. Radic Ken my thing. That's Sir So we cook. I don't know I mean it might be a week hook in the Medina Lake. You Know Library but to be honest I said this week. Madonna Hook is a good somebody else's hook. I don't know I. I still think it's pretty. It's pretty good it's pretty infectious. It's I love. I love the production on it. Do do you those. It sounds very marie loup see the drums drums. The drums are very like drum topper. You know there's not a full drum there it's just it did it did it. Do you know I don't know though it's and it's the same drumbeat through the whole song. which is six minutes long? It just repeats endlessly. Yeah the main problem with this song. I would definitely say as the length because that's when I was texting you about how I liked this song and I thought it was the end of the song assumed it was ending and I realized it was only halfway through. And it's like six over six minute long. which for something like that? which is just kind of like a pretty mindless like pop hook that Ah does not need to be longer than two minutes really two and a half minutes? I don't think that she really fits with the production style. In general timber brothers Neptune's and this is also like two thousand eight. This is sort of when those producers styles had already started like falling falling by the wayside. You know yeah I I feel like their time was really early. Two Thousand Yeah. Yeah and she was a little bit late to the party. I think that's the that's the theme with a lot of this stuff is where she's a little bit late to the party. Yeah she's late to the party. It's a bad album cover. It's a bad fit yet album carver. Various really kind of uncomfortable. Yeah it doesn't it doesn't read. Well it's just it's her in a in a black vinyl like bodysuit kind of like looking being like a sex doll. She's fifty years old. Ladies and gentlemen I mean you. Yeah right arrate. She does not want you to think that that's why she's covering her entire body and black. Vinyl is their caution tate. There's something like that I think it's another one of those songs to where it's like. She couldn't just stick with one idea like she had to do like six different. You know songs like you. have this like Shimmery kind of electro pop and then you have like aggressive happy hardcore for some reason and then like weird R. and B. But you could just stick with one. I mean that's what she used to do is stick with the Shimmery electro pop and it was great or like stick with like you don't have to do six songs and one song to be eh innovative. It's just not I don't know she. It again feels very kind of desperate and yeah rhyming. Incredible with metaphysical. NFL All come on this one is a hard candy is considered by many of her fans to be her worst album for me. It's American life but I think there's a case to be made for hard candy. Although this is the only song from hard candy on the list I believe yeah I mean I did not think it was that bad but I have not listened to the the album. So the syst- I didn't think I didn't think the album was that bad in general was pretty mediocre But I don't think it's a good fit. I don't think I I don't. I don't think those those paths should crossed and I think it was at the time came off as like a grasp relevance it it it was out of the cheap cheap. Yeah I'll give you that all right. Let's move on. We are down to number five. I believe right yeah five is number six God damn it alright so this number six is a Luma Nadi of the new platinum. Tacoma's is not here. Mr Major. Don't don't make it into something soda. Steve It's not the United States is not wrong. That north on. Yeah that's Nice in China. Yeah Yeah everybody thirty in the party shining like luminosity. So the thesis of the Song is the illuminates not real deal. It's just me and my friends dancing at a club which also all of my friends are the most powerful. I thought she was saying thing. The aluminum body Israel their benevolence. Leave them alone. They're doing cool magic. The founding fathers started started it and they never made any mistakes literally if the enlightenment that started it all the founding fathers wrote it down on the wall and other medias misleading us all turn turning right into wrong millionaires and billionaires controlling. Everything is good friends with them. Were the people talk the Jeffrey Epstein killed himself it was a cut and dry cut. Dry situation nothing to see here. It's not not Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. It's not Google or the United States. It's Bieber or Lebron Clinton or Obama as what is or anyone you love to hate and then so there's so then what what is dead. It's her it's her and Oliver other friends they're doing cool is wedge. Shot Orgies and we're not invited to wants us to know that they're all cool. Yeah Epstein was doing some Some rituals on the island right. He had the temple there and shit. I don't need to think about that. I don't I don't WanNa go down average though but I mean the the powerful powerful they get into this spooky stuff it is but it's just weird to me that she saying like yeah it's real and and chill out about belt no big deal. It's also just not already. It's just a part it's a party. It's also just not a very good song and again it sounds like her voice is pretty weak. It's very processed. It's it's very vocal Gordon and Lots of lots of bells and whistles. That's that's the thing I noticed. In the later Madonna albums mm says that she really is losing her voice. I thought actually I thought on hard candy. I thought the last song Incredible actually thought her voice sounded stronger than it had another another tracks but General Hard Candy was twelve years ago. Wow God Madonna just retire with the rest of your luminosity friends and see really control the world from whatever you know islander magical temple you need need to do so from and just give yourself a little break. I think she wants one more iconic classic album and she's GonNa keep trying for it. That's the sense that I get Chadron. Godhra strike because every album is different than less. She's trying a different approach. The last few just kind of the problem and I think in the past she just did so with more more confidence and more savviness and N and I bought it more. Choose more tuned in. I think she really was you know when she did vogue when she did Erotica I think she really was going to Seattle and stuff. You know she was actually. She wasn't just like getting tips from Gwyneth Paltrow in her vagina and the sun directed direct beams. Actually no she hates and file. That's right yeah for some reason. It doesn't matter because they're they're bullshit. Their rival Boston man. Yeah I was kind of saying that. I didn't think this was that bad. But if you actually think about the lyrical content the messaging behind it it's it it's not good it's definitely not good and it's not consigned to redeem it. I mean I think the the beats not great. I don't think it's I don't think is a good song other than lyrics either. I think that she rips off the melody to I'm on a boat. Big Watery road. Yeah that's right. Yeah that's true Yeah there's definitely a few of these songs that it does feel very like ripped off I had not thought about that connection. That's a deep deep cut. Well let's move on okay. I'm ready for a break. We'll be right back her all right guys. We're back and we are so stupid. We were fucking so stupid. I don't know what to tell you But let's listen to Madonna. Tell us how stupid she is And and when somebody tells you who they are believe them this is. I'm so stupid off of American Life Stupid stupid. I was stupid but I'm better now. I'm better than I used to live in a bubble. Yeah I I used to live in a bubble fame obsessed. You know I used to be cut off from the real problems of the world but not anymore not anymore more now now. I'm sitting in the front row of Hamilton and texting the whole time. I've learned I've grown. Now I'm now I'm posting weird videos videos where I call my son the n word. Okay Yeah so you do the little recite dead. There's gotta be some more recent controversies of of Madonna. That I'm forgetting thing about our like I didn't know about and those are those are a few interesting ones yes. She's got quite the quite quite a few blind spots quite a few Problematic Eric White woman blind spots she Kids and she referred to one of her kids who is a you know a young man of color as the N.. Word in a in a video instagram can. Your son gives you an N.. Word I don't think so. No no no Oh. I'm sure also it just picture. Madonna like sixty like I don't know maybe fifty five year old Madonna like being like. Yeah what's up my n word. No no I don't think she did a art her own son. I don't know it doesn't matter. It's stupid so bad dude. It's just ahead. Yeah and God. How stupid is this fucking and song is so fucking loud? Say I should be allowed to say that. Now it doesn't work that way Madonna. It does not work that you don't get it through as most and also that shouldn't be the first thing you go out and do like I've been waiting this whole time. You know it's just just like Morrissey saying Negro Yup immediately cash this in start just like oh you know. What did she do after this great awakening? She's talking about an American life. How did she separated herself from the fame and the artifice no way no? There's no sacrifices sacrifices. There's no humility. There's no and part of that is like Bitch Madonna. She can get away with anything. She doesn't make apologies man. She doesn't need to explain herself but she can. She can start fused with whoever she wants and she can you know just do some flagrant asked dumb shit all the time Woke Madonna is the the worst. It's literally what did she. What did she want? What does she wake will this? All of them are so. What was the song before this? Illuminate luminary that was on the album. That had the picture of her on the front with the with the ropes on her face Rebel heart. Yes and she also posted pictures of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King wearing with the same like ropes on their face discard. Who does she think it's leader like Saddam to Nelson Mandela? I take it all back zombies. I'm so sorry area. This is what happens when I don't do enough outrage research ahead of time. You GotTa have those in your back pocket. But yeah did tune Madonna she. She needs to take several seats. It's time it's time to say goodbye and I think you're right. Unfortunately Mike She's GonNa keep doing fucking middling bullshit like this forever until she gets that last asked hit which honestly she doesn't really deserve this point. This one American life is really rough. It's my least favorite Madonna album. 'cause it's like it's it's it's this terrible combination the nation of her looking outward and commenting on an on current events like from a very ignorant lens very again vague and you know surface level and just saying words without any depth and then no introspection. No actually that was going to say it's a combination of both. It's it's week false looking outward and then also like very hollow introspection this is like her like confessional album where she has songs about her our parents and about lake. And I'm so stupid about like Oh you know I'm commenting on my place in the world but like it's it's thing is still very so like ego centric and like it's almost the some effects that you get the sense that she really does feel like the world revolves around her. Yeah like she's he's the actual Madonna and the music is so bad on this album the guitar with the very jarring lake. It's it's you know synthetic drums like that is the sound of the album and so terrible in so dated. This is definitely the most dated sounding. Madonna Album American life like she sounds timeless on a lot of other stuff. She sounded all her. Eighty stuff is timeless. You know the fucking confessions on a dance floor is timelessly. Those songs I thought and not just timeless I think effortless. I think that's the piece of it. You know when you get to see you know how the sausage gets made and all of a sudden you're like I don't WanNa know how sausage gets me. I just want to eat it. I wanted to be tasty. I don't I don't want to pay attention to this shit. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa see her working at it. I I want it and that is a very tall order that is definitely like maybe an unrealistic standard to hold but she is the queen of Pop. She's risen to it time and time I'm again. She's been written off throughout her career. And generally you know through various phases of it come back like people wrote her off after like a virgin. There's like they thought her her time was up and then she dropped like a prayer people row her off in the nineties and then she came out with fucking Ray of light like people from the two thousand and she came out with confessions on the floor but through the twenty tens and has come back not happens not happening and I think the more the more desperately. She tries the more obvious obvious that it's desperate and the and no matter how good even a song could be Even if she gets a good track in here you know W- The track here or there. That's that's good. That's a good pop song. Just the the sheer like work that you see her putting into it the desperation of it really Kinda makes makes you can't surrender yourself to the pop fantasy. It's not I don't think she I don't think she's going to get it. I don't know maybe have a black star but what could be be. I don't know I don't like I don't think she's capable of a black star. I don't think I look again. Bless Madonna Ana for all the she has bestowed upon us. We have said but as a lyricist it's not in general. She's not going to be able to do the that sort of pathos right kyw Mera like pop doesn't even know what pop is anymore like like we don't even know I. It's it's hard to absorb like an identity that's so fragmented at this point to just in how music has has shifted and the Music Industry Korea shifted so pop. Music can mean so many things now in twenty twenty. There's no like thing that she can you. Know Chameleon is herself into like one thing thing. It's all things. It's so many things that I also. I just think the stuff that does make up pop. These days is not really her lane Herlin Trap Don is not best. No it's not it's just it's just doesn't work I don't know you know and it's it kind of sucks. You never had that signature. Sound that Prince David Bowie. Oh that's what I was thinking right and I think they made they. Pop took notes from them whereas Madonna took notes from from pop in some ways. I think she took notes from pop but at her best was her like still still like putting her stamp on it like owning it and doing it better than everyone else right. And and let's the one thing that we really haven't talked a lot about out but that also is is pretty like you know important to understanding Madonna's popularity and influence on the culture is also her live performances and her visuals Israel's and the things beyond just the songs themselves but also like how she presented herself her looks and her her stunning look for yes. Absolutely evolving evolving provocative fucking Lashin. Yeah and and and doing you know and being an actress and being you know she did a lot of other things besides making just straight you know music And Yeah this is it's not at Madonna. It's not in. It's not American life. Life is definitely not go listen to the jukebox Zeros episode with With with Rock Candy Where they do American life and you'll see for yourself it is a horrific album is a horrible horrible album? There's people out there the stand for it and maybe I'll get a negative review. I even saying this but like God like I don't understand that viewpoint point American life any of the songs on it and like Sec. Oh I think everyone wants to see it for her. Maybe just so then then she can go away afterwards. I would love if she did a black star I am just. I don't want to get my hopes up too much. Yeah that's fair. It's been a lot of bad albums in a row. I yeah yes. And it's been a witch songs in a row to. Let's do another one. Yes so this one. Initially we had one other time. I'm good I kind of pushed back on it because it was just it was fine. I don't know it's again. What is fine? What is truth? What is pop? What is love? Is this the first one. We're doing doing a DNA. This album really fucking blows. This one is this was full. EDM Pop Madonna. And it's bad. Look Donna Dub step dude. It's not great so we're going to listen to that right now. You get to live this disaster with stop. It's called gang. Bang you in view Bang. Why the what do you do with that man? This WANNA admit kind of worked for me until the DUB step breakdown I. They don't know about that. I mean it's just it's a dub step murder revenge fantasy but it's just so far it's fucking boring. It's so boring and so long even though like how long is it feels very lost five minutes. Yeah it's five minutes something. Yeah no the dumpster step breakdown another song with spoken word at the end and the line if you if you're going to act like a bitch then you're going to die like a bitch edge and shot in like what gunshots sound effects and the sirens and very atmospheric Um I think you know maybe doing a little too much a little too too. I would say so. Jesus fucking Christ us us. This is so it's so stupid it's one of those heart attack burgers that just you know. Nobody needs to eat that you don't need seven patties. You don't need you know Bacon on it and Friday and Mozzarella sticks you. Just don't but what do you think of. The techno beat stuff I think is so boring. I think it's so also it just. It's imperceptible that that would be a Madonna Song. Like I feel like that's it's just a nameless club track like there's nothing iconic about that. There's nothing queen of pop about that. It's very it's very fucking one. No it's definitely no Hung up you know. In terms of club crossover stuff when she's dipped into the How into house music or you know? When she was doing down you know down tempo stuff for she was doing techno unreal light? And I do you think this is poorly executed for that sort of crossover which is a disappointing. Because she's she done it well before yeah. Do you want what the different about like why I was going to say maybe. Let's play a clip from the other on that we were going to choose to. I don't give a okay. Okay so I honestly think they're interchangeable. They're both bad but bad for different reasons. And maybe that'll help us piece together. This this question because it doesn't actually make a a Lotta Sense. It's counting on the telephone. Yeah like that's pretty bad to talks right surprise. You don't WanNa do that one. Because it's but Donna wrapping is worst. Madonna You're wrapping with. Donna is worse Madonna. Madonna is also worse Madan. All badminton. DNA is very bad. We could definitely do episode of DNA. What's what's so weird about this one is that it's like it? Sounds like it's supposed to be a club track. But it's heard complaining about being an ex wife and raising children and you get so much of that in two thousand offense but Donna like so much of that and it's because you're old and very famous and rich and you're talking about shaking you're asking multitasking and going to the the gym and Shit like there's all talk about going to the gym boring. It had the material girl. And that's what happens when a material girl girl becomes immaterial God and that becomes like a like it just just makes music. This is like a song version of the show succession. You know like it's just the the characters on that show and the X.. The excess and the wealth and unliked disconnection from real humanities. What is she saying these lyrics? The lyrics are awful. They're just atrocious and again. They're so like their her trying to. I guess be like look at celebrities. They're just like us. You know connecting through the line went from nerd superb. Have you seen the new guy. I forgot the password word. GotTa call the baby sitter Tweeden on the elevator. I can take a helicopter. What okay immediate accession? Yeah Dude session. Where they're constantly traveling by helicopter copter for no good reason and talking about her screen up and getting her stockings on? I know it's fucking. She said the word stockings ugly. That's actually that's maybe one of the most egregious things if you're trying to hit. It's like a case for the guillotine like this this whole this whole of advertisers the legend we love dot until killer public. Yeah I'm not saying I want Madonna. What I'm saying that the things that Madonna has even for all the gifts that she's given us maybe they just the way that our society is structured? Maybe it's a little much that happens you can become that far disconnected from Like fucking reality. Yeah yeah no this is all this is all very true. I this is the top eleven now and that we become eleven. I and I think I mean the thing is is that they're both two sides of the same shitty coin and the same shitty album. It's it's doing too much and somehow still doing too little title and saying too little but with just all of these ridiculous over the top fucking you know tacky Bells and whistles. Ah that shows a very distinct lack of vision. I think is what it really is. And that's quite unfortunate for somebody who you so you could rightly call a visionary in other ways I also I feel more on the later stuff than on the earlier stuff like I feel a lot more sense of you've leaning on the producer and the production itself. Yeah for sure I duNno guys but we only have. We have three songs left to three. I don't know I can't count apparently. La like I literally. We have three laugh. Okay all right. Let's go on this one is fucking why. Oh yes. You'll will you WANNA talk about. Woke Madan God. This is insufferable. See how far we fall in our right. We're GONNA go right on into this one which which is called killers who are partying from Madame x twenty nine hundred twenty nine teen. This is just a mere few months ago. A UH-HUH Africa Guard Africa is shut down home. uh-huh a humiliating. Yeah well thank you. Madonna truly the the woman Here are suffering to here are polite to a martyr martyr for everyone who suffers for every group continent. I'm sorry Yes I'm sorry. An entire continent shot down. Just gets shut down. You will become that. So becomes of Africa fucking grandiose how disgustingly lose to you have to be home of God and the word. She's like where did she come up with this stuff if the gays getting burned the gay if the gay a Arbor Watch one burn for the whole game for the day then. Birds Word Africa's getting shot down. I will be Israel if they're incarcerated serrated like is that a Holocaust thing is she calling booking that's of six million million Jews and their torture and concentration camps. There's just incarceration What what does she even talking about about? If the if they send everyone in Israel to jail I'll be native Indian if the Indian has been taken. Yeah I'LL BE ISLAM IF ISLAM is hated like this stuff is all happening and has happened it is happening. How are you being it? Also Oh all sung in this in this insufferable fake Italian accent over like basically that dumb. Camila Cabello like Havana Hula. That's just what it's horrible like the song itself on its own is awful. And then when you think about the lyrical content and you think about the dangerousness crispness of that kind of thinking on shocking level of ignorance that you know this is beyond calling your child the N.. Word on instagram. Like this is i. I'll be Africa if Africa owes it shut shut down. I think it'd be just shut down like one day. They just shut down now. I thought it was shot down. Set the door he like. Where would we be without Madonna rhetorically pretending to be oppressed for like? It's like a white woman. Unfavorable pastime in the eighties when she was making great music. That's right that's actually wasn't doing. I feel like this is a transformation that happened around the late nineties. When when she got into a Kabbalah she got into like all that while eastern spiritualism fucking bullshit maybe like before when she did Evita that's when she first developed the fake British accent in the mid nineties Vita when she recorded the veto soundtrack and this is unprecedented and never been been done and original cast recording? She insisted on recording her vocals. Isolated from the rest of the cast. So they couldn't hear her singing winging what. Yeah what a fucking God Madonna. She's a legend. I mean they allowed to be genius. This crazy see blake but she's not allowed to be Africa Africa nor Islam nor the poor if the par humiliated if that ever happens if the poor ever humiliates. This is the of all of the White Women Boston. That's like it will listen. My grandfather was from Ireland and we were slaves to you. Know what I mean like this is this is It's all man Madonna. This came out this year's this Madonna. I'm not listening to this album. Madonna helping. She thinks she's helping. She thinks she's helping doing this by becoming poor the poor this is her showing A separate class. That's what it looks like when she tries. Looks like it's just saying you're you're a continent eight. That didn't she actually adopt a child from Africa. She called the N.. Word oh no I thought it was the other one know. How many children did she call the N.? Word hundreds thousands donat children. You know it doesn't matter it doesn't it doesn't matter it is. It's this should have never been allowed to be because that's the thing when you get to this point where you're such a god of music you never nobody can say no to you. You can't nobody will say now. She is one of the untouchable bowl ones. Yeah no one said no to prince either you know and he had a top ten to it happens these these people live in their own worlds. Man She's got a lot of lack children that she's adopted. Well she will be Africa down. Apparently that's how she because she becomes where black children. I guess. There are probably better than I. Don't I mean I don't know they're different. Lives than they would have had definitely their MOMS a lot lot more racist than she would have been. I don't know how are we supposed to say about that. I don't know I've been now. I'm finding about controversies about her foster. Children GEICO controversies that their father. The adopted twins father. The father said he thought that Madonna was only fostering them. I was told from the start that Esser and Stella we're going to a rich. It's woman's home abroad. That she would give them a good education. Then return them to me to live with me and help my family. She stole these children. Look on my God dude. Oh dude the phone know Madonna. Madge what are you doing honey. Oh Oh oh my God of yeah well shall we just move right on after that. One I don't know what else to say Madonna that maybe as a piece of Shit I guess I take it all back well. This next song is just justice. Big Old celebration of Madonna. A she really is good at celebrating herself isn't she. She she loves she. It is all about the signature Madonna. Move it's just it just work. Before she went so Kuku uh-huh Children Africa just like Lindsay Lohan again to install children it now leads the Lindsay Lohan tried to steal a child from She was in Greece. I think she's just tried to steal an immigrant woman baby off the street once yes try a whole other. Nancy also spoke with a British accent. They are the eluded Nadi. Yeah it's the already know awful. White people run society. But God damn alright so regardless of whether or not uh Madonna stole some children. She did what she did turns out regardless of the fact that she did Chile which it leased one child from Africa from his twins. They're twins at least at least two fathers hands arms rip wrench them right out. Of course. She denies this. But you know we know the truth. We're Madonna truth is now we've really done one eighty. How's the show? It always says this way isn't it. We always just end up rape back fucking. Oh God this is still not GonNa ruin her old stuff for me Bernau now but we'll find some new things to to ruin her image. We have two more songs. Yeah that's right okay. So yes it's a celebration of Madonna that's this is a big old celebrations self-congratulatory as ever the beat goes on and he it goes on here. We go this is B Day Song also off of M. D. N. A. M. Featuring M. I a some how the what the fuck yeah. So uh-huh barely feels like a song. This is like a drunken jam sessions or something like this is like A. This is a woman like a a twenty year old twenty one year old woman jumping up on stage the Hong Kong Karaoke combustion going. It's my fucking and then doing a Colt forty five and Tuesday. Afro basically required Anthem of all drunk white women in Boston. Doing Correo key. Yeah especially that this is a modern day Madonna. These these are the albums. We've been talking so much about how she can. She contrived if she's bending over packer try and reinvent herself. And take all these things and you know try to still be relevant and this is you're not trying at all on this one Madonna there. There is no attempt to do anything interesting on this. This is literally you're just saying I'm a happy girl in a happy world is my birthday tae-song I want. I want a diamond. Don't give me a fake. I'll let you lick the frosting off my cake. GimMe a spanking. Start the day off right. We'll we because it's my birthday. You'll be singing my song tonight. She does also have a fake British accent on this song. Yeah Oh some of that semi on a a happy go. That's contribution to the song. I'm so glad you used MS talent you know truly to. It's really extent. Yeah no I no. Of course not what. I'm saying. What a misuse of a feature? You paid her for that. You know what I mean like what are you thinking. Very half-hearted appearance by a on on this track this is bad very half hearted attempt from everyone involved on a on a Bidet song this this is one of the bonus tracks on the Super Deluxe version of DNA so at least bonus she had the good sense not to put it on the official track list. But still out there a and this is what you were saying before that Off My you know earlier was that this was the one that the majority of Madonna stands believed to be the worst song Yeah there was a poll done at pop heads. No word there was like a big thing is like you know assign every Madonna Song like a number rating and someone like aggregated all that NBA song was the bottom song. I can see why dude I mean. This doesn't ag- again. It doesn't feel like a song. It seems it. It's made up like it's it's fucking tossed off in the ultimate sense. It was literally literally jerked off and thrown away songs like dark ballet like em like Madonna fans are like split on the artistic merit of that sort of shift but pretty lockstep next up in the bidet song is fucking trash right because there's no lyrical content the song the sound of it is like super insipid. It's like it's like a bats. Bob Bob Road runner. Oh Yeah I can hear that a little bit. I guess but road now I the chord structures pretty pretty much the same Dan Dant and run a bit of a stretch. Yeah it's sure drove a pass the stop and shop with the radio anyway. That's a much better song That's a great great song. This is a very bad song. This is when any any Madonna pathologist has to has to reckon with this one. And and there's there's nothing really to defend at all there's nothing besides the fact that maybe is it short. Is it short short. Fuck Dude. I don't know yeah I I don't I don't understand it doesn't make any fucking sense. What kind of commentary? There's no why maybe asking that there's no on dancer Eh. The Great Job Killing it. There's there's no reason for Bidet song there's no the justification now now all right let's should we. Should we bring it on down fucking end this this misery and part of the song. You have foresight do okay. Yeah so should we drum roll. We're GONNA drum roll. The worse Madonna Song ever is American Life. ooh Here we go. Drink and Jimmy Allen cheap at the parties and you can give Amihai manager agent and the driver antibiotic it. I'd like to express my extreme point of view. I'm not I'm not extreme out the just. I'm done with that. I've done here. And you speak Madonna you are you are cancelled forever that is real. That is unreal. How fucking mind coming? That shit is. How unbelievably Oh my God? How self-satisfied must you be to be able to put put that out for people to listen to you WanNa hear quote? Let's hear it here's Madonna F- got it talking about recording the south with Mir wie basically we had recorded the whole song and we had this instrumental thing at the end and Mira was like Mir Moore Weiss. Weiss was like you know what you have to go and do a rap and I was like get Outta here. I don't rap and he was like yeah. You just go in there just do it. He totally encourage me. I had nothing planned. Nothing written and he just told me to do stream-of-consciousness whatever I was thinking because I was always drinking. SOIT LA taste in the studio. And I drive my mini Cooper. The studio I was just like okay. Let me just talk about the things that I like. So I went and it was just total Improv and obviously it was sloppy at first but I got out all my thoughts and everything down that I said and then I perfected the timing of it so it was totally spontaneous. Oh so that so that could have been avoided it could have been avoided. What was it where does he live? I'm serious where is he. He is French Of course born in Switzerland to an Afghan father and Italian mother. He is a leader in the French electronic dance music scene a member of the defunct nineteenth group tax girl and he met that Madonna in the late nineties when he submitted a demo to her. Then re maverick records names. Muir waste Mir Weis Ahmadzai I'm I'm probably mispronouncing. That and he's responsible for other words. Madonna music guys at fault for the what we just heard there. which is the worst the absolute need that wrap that particular? It is the new deer of Madonna's career. It is the worst thing she's ever done is worse than her stealing. That child is her wrapping. Burst stealing those children's. Oh my good at least two children. At least two this is equal. Because it's your children's lives. I think that God I can't even ask. How did this happen because that's how it happened? It's literally early this person for once. We know the answer and it's still not satisfied. I'm digging on isotopes. This metaphysics shit is dope fucking bags. How do they were? That's exactly what I was thinking. Oh my God if ICP was just a boozy boozy ASS fucking super rich white lady fucking talking about drinking lots as and but they're true working class heroes and that's why we support I pee on the show and we are jugglers. Yeah well not forget. I also don't support the Anything else about the song The production and is so hideous. Amount minute now. Now is the most grading irritating ship imaginable fashionable. It's very bad. Also the the the chorus Is Atrocious. I mean it's fucking. We didn't even play. Because like it's it's just a dream so let's re Russ recap because because this is the album that she put out in the fucking Bush era like with her face kind of like fashion like she some guerrilla like fighter with this like With these red stripes on are going are yeah. Yeah she's looking up to the to the you know up into into the right just like fucking is like it's it's that can't be an accident hundred percent intention just like just like the fucking ropes on her face it was the fucking pictures of Mandela shoes dressing. Cuban revolutionary all the time during this time slash. God Madonna is a piece of shit. What are you thinking? What are you thinking so this is supposed to be your commentary on like a post nine eleven? Like you know nightmarish fucking you you know pre this nightmare dystopia. This was the one this was our ard nightmare to still be a in our teens and there was a lot of people making political music sick. And there's a lot of things to be fucking angry about will. She doesn't understand it. It doesn't care to learn. She doesn't care it does it. She thinks she does know that's crazy. She knows that she has the this is. The Antidote is American Life Life and that's why she thinks that she knows better than a somebody's parent. That's in Malawi. And that's why you're gonNA take their kids away. I you know she. She knows better right. She's a white woman. They always know better right. I know dude it really. It's it's a gross. Gross things hang on so many levels remember remember like going to be I just okay I got a a lawyer and a manager and agent and chef three Nannies and assistant and a driver and a jet trainer and a Butler and a bodyguard. Her five a gardener in a stylus. Do you think I'm satisfied. Aspide I would hope absolutely love to have those things. Are you kidding me like you. FUCKING REV Lidge pompous compass out of touch elite. Mon- like idiot like I just can't I I. There's IT's inexcusable. It is inexcusable. Excusable tone-deaf Ness and literal tone deafness. Like there's no tone. There's no notes being hit and you're fucking rapping about your fucking mini Cooper. Get the kids to like me. I found another quote here. This is pretty angry. If you WANNA hear it oh to go on in I I know it sounds cliche. But I've had twenty years of fame and fortune and I feel that I have the right to an opinion on what it is and isn't all. Everyone is obsessed about now is being a celebrity. I'm saying saying that's bullshit and who knows better than me before it happens. You have all kinds of notions about how wonderful celebrity is and how much joy is going to bring you. Then you arrive in America more than any either pay place in the world you have the freedom to be anything you want to be which is all well and good. If you're a fucking light woman which is all well and good but it only works if you have a value system and we seem not to have what anymore the whiplash between the sanctimoniousness the boomer sanctimoniousness right now is out of control. They do continue. It's whatever it takes to get to the top. That's what you gotta do. It's dealer the beautiful life. Look like this. You're going to be happy drive this car. You're going to be popular where these clothes and people are GonNa WanNa fuck you. It's a very powerful allusion and people we're caught up in it including myself or I was boone. Mind blown really Madonna Way. Wait really we have A. We have a fame machine first of all like yes. That is the most obvious thing that you could ever fuck say it's not even a critique of consumerism or materialism resum because you are literally the material girl so anything that you would say about that rings incredibly hollow but also like you're not even saying that in the song and for her to be like I can speak on this stuff because I've transcended it at this point I'm now I have Graduated from fame into you. Know like what is she thinking what does she know. Revolutionary thinks he's a revolutionary civil rights leader and apparent of these children. Turn for we see thanks she is she is absolutely. It is the most ultimate white savior complex. I have graduated from fame. Too Revolutionary Life and that is why I can call my son the n word and that is why I can rap about my mini Cooper and pilates Ancelotti's and soya tastes. That's and that's woke. That's actually you're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. Oh God I I really hate Madonna. Now see that happened to me. That's why I went backwards chronologically on at the end of it. But I definitely hit a Madonna at the beginning but here here we are God. Keep going full circle. I'm going to have to listen to star on repeat importer wide. Oh I just you can't excuse it. You can't excuse it. No you want to. Though right like us. Parts there are parts that are sympathetic. Like parts of her. Like you know the way that she was you know vilified and like critiqued in the media for so so long and and just like you know not allowed to be sexual but or like wasn't sexual enough and to sexual and not sexual in the right ways. And she was. So scrutinized scrutinized many meter crazy. I don't know I think she used that to her advantage. And then she used the controversies to propel her to even bigger stardom mm-hmm and then at that point stopped having anything to relate to the rest of us and started believing the real like you know Prosperity Gospel of I'm rich and powerful and and therefore I am smart in virtuous and I'm here to save the day. Yes the American traffic's American American life. So speak AAC. There's nothing controversial about this. There's nothing in any way radical. You're not doing anything to challenge power. You're literally just saying because I'm in power. I'm I'm right. Yeah I mean everybody in this party is shining like it. Saloum Naughty. She wrote a song about how the luminosity is good. She did she did. Wow it's there we are again here we are make it stop at contact. You crave waiting getting it. Ruining your heroes Since two thousand seventeen now they ruined themselves. It's her fault I don't feel bad. I don't feel bad for her. No of course. So I don't feel bad for Madonna. I don't feel bad. I feel bad for us. I feel bad for us all right. Well how I'm glad we learn something here today. Let's see let's recap. We learned that Madonna likes sway. Lattice She likes to be spanked she likes to be spanked. There's nothing like a good spanky spanky. We learned that she likes to kidnap Brown around children. We learned that. She thinks she's very very smart but then also is so stupid. I don't She was she was stupid she was but now she's better but now she's better now she's Che but because she thinks she's better she's actually worse than ever. That's really what we've learned sorry Madonna typically and it's not going to happen for you. Yeah that big hits knocking the breakthroughs not happening. I'm I am still holding out. Hope all right it might happen. She has no self awareness. I don't I can't hear you. She'll get the clarity needs. There's no growth. It's it's only regression. Maybe when she's dying that's how that's that changes people's perspective a little bit. Let's hope man I don't know. Apparently she's She'll never die she'll just suck the life out of some other young hot booking backup dancer the newest bag. Yeah bring me a boy like hair of like eh young. I've taught young boys with like leeches circling their their life's blood. Yeah Dude actually. No really rich people do that by blood blood boys they have blood boys so it would not surprise me if Madonna had multiple blood boys God this is this. Is this journey. Everybody I'm glad you all took it with us. I is there anything else we I should say before. We wrap this shit up. Confessions on a dance floor to get the first four songs. Just listen the first four songs of that album to clear your palate. Well who are we gonNA put in the crosshairs next. Who's going to be our next year that we'd sleigh? Actually that's a great question. I think that's a good question to ask our stop. May maybe that we will. We'll let you all way in which which which hero should we take down next. which untouched seemingly untouchable Megastar needs to be taken down several pegs or or needs to be scrutinized a little bit more than they ever have been let us know? Stop as we love to hear your suggestions. We've had some thoughts about different ones like We were thinking radio had had. Yeah we were GONNA do radiohead and then I'm look. I don't think I'm biased. Because I'm not like the hugest radiohead seen anything. But they like their their. Their floor is like just mediocre. It's not that bad mariah Carey might be an interesting one. I think she had some bad albums for sure. Yeah she might might be fun. I was thinking the cure would be fun because the cure like the Beatles. Yeah with the bills would be hard beach. Boys could do the beach boys it I I just don't there's so many beach boys elms fuck it'd be saying we don't know it's my job. 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Rock Candy Ep. 113: Hall And Oates - 18 Part Harmony

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Rock Candy Ep. 113: Hall And Oates - 18 Part Harmony

"It was private is that is now privatized. One one clap and then two claps. Oh it's private. Is there watching you? Gather watching you watching you watching you watching you. Yeah you gotta get the claps going the right way. It's all about the collapse. Yeah all right. It's all about the clap. Jimmy Dugan Jimmy Dugan said avoid the club we who's Jimmy Dugan from the League of their own great thanks. I was like that's a baseball. He's like. Avoid the clap timmy. To you're GONNA get the class narok candy. Her weekly podcast radius sweet treats from the world of music and lovely songs and beyond and beyond the grave and from a League of their own apparently. Yeah I mean some of them are probably dead so that is beyond the grave. Sure Yeah works. We're going to go with a real morbid Roku that good job. Yeah Hodge podge kids. Yeah it's weird it's fine. Oh a good episode. It's a long time coming. This has been a longtime common. Yeah for sure I mean I feel like before we even started making these episodes really well. We have to haul. No it's episode. That's GonNa have to happen in two years later three years later like Yep okay. We'll finally get Hala notes. Oh yeah well to definitely over two years Yeah like two and a half years. That's all right. We wanted to do them justice and we needed to get the perfect beers and we did. Yeah because tonight for the episode. We are drinking from checks abby private. I love a good pun right. I don't know if they meant to do you think I'm assuming they did not know. They're probably meeting. Tend to parlay private. I like a private. I haven't got -tective yes I kinda forgot that. That's what that is yet. It's not hall Note Song. But they are watching you. Actually private is is probably someone stalking you right. Basically that's what a private is sent to stock you and find shit out about you. Yeah Yeah I guess but that'd be different than like a regular soccer. I mean private eyes are being paid to stock. You get that money gets paid to follow people around. It's not just doing it. 'cause you're crazy now. There's a big difference here yet. Actually this is a pretty damn good beer. Yeah I really. Hello beer beer beer. It's a perfect spring beer. Yeah it's like it's like high end Budweiser Ivy League. That's not that's what I'm saying. It's like way better than Budweiser. It's the Shit you wish Budweiser was in. It's not yeah it's unfiltered. Keller beer brewed with Raimondo. Out It's like the warmth for like you know those colder spring nine's really. I'm going to have a fire but it's still really kinda cold so I need to say here with a blanket. Yeah SIP that's ice cold beer like the beer is a mixture of that to keep you warm but also like the breeze of spring evening that Chris Blanket not not as not a Jisr Blanket Oh God. That's a Chris. That's a very crisp. I get it. It's like the crisp blanket. That's been drying in the in the springtime air. That's the kind of CAU- no yeah. Now you're disliking talking that Gibb's towel that's just next to every young bachelors near bed. Yeah the quintessential Jisr Tell Making Every Bachelor pad complete. What a bachelor pad be without Crisp Towel without the Jin's towel? Tm market that. It's already gross. You don't feel bad about making it gross. Yeah it's not a high quality towel that's why it's cheap yeah. It's the Jews Towel. This is that good good content. You kids are cooperating. Don't steal it from WHO is still. I know that there's a lot of time on your hands but don't take it. Yeah I understand we. There's a lot of pros out there that have some Jews towels going on right now. There's nothing else to do. Steeler fucking idea. Don't know come to your house and I will. We won't not work masks and still keep six feet away from you but we will come to. Your House showed abuse come to your house. Social Distance Myself. Get in there with a has mat-su take your kids towel. Mine best believe it God anyway. So today we're talking about hall. No great sacred agree. I'm really good at segues. You know. Yeah we all are. It's wonderful. It's what you guys come here for. Here are great segues yes. This is definitely been an episode in the making for a very long time but we are big hall notes Fans Maybe Hopefully. GonNa see him in August. GotTa if if fucking the Rony cancels the hall and Oates Tour. I am going to lose it because we were finally going to see them finally and finally had the money to get decent fucking Zine and haw in in what sucks is that the venue that we got. The tickets for is an outdoor venue. That is only open during the summer. Yeah so Yeah if it does happen now doesn't happen now. We're going to have to wait until next year if we're lucky if if we're lucky if we survive. I mean we'll probably be fine. We'll be fine but Yeah Yeah we're much typhoid. Marys won't be fine. If Holly Notes Survive 'cause they're in their seventies now fuck really yes yes they are they look good though they look fucking fantastic but honestly they're learning. They have the money to take care of themselves but they also like take care of themselves just because you have the money either doesn't mean you take care of yourself true but Keith. Richards did the smart thing and drinking of alcohol when he was young to preserve his insides for eternity. I don't know if that's how that works I. This is the only explanation for why he still around. I only viable one. That I can come up with fair. Yeah Fair why is he still real? David Bowie isn't here but fucking Keith. Richards is I. Ask myself that at least twice a month world is cruel place. The world is very cruel place if you think about the people who are gone compared to the people who are still around. Yeah you think about the people who are probably going to die from the current virus supposed to people who are going to outlast that yeah well let's talk about two people who have so far survived the corona virus. Let's do let's have a good fun story today who do not have the Ronnie and have magnificent hair to both of that honestly once better known for their facial hair that head of hair. Yeah but still and we'll get into that too. Oh my God. We got to talk about his mustache. Yeah okay let's do this do this. So the oldest of the duo. Daryl Hall was born on October Eleventh Nineteen forty-six his real name is Darryl Franklin Hall. Spelled H. O. H. L. O. Probably changing it. When he got older to prevent confusion. That's fair I mean. I'm sure in school. Their teachers just like how how how how whole all it's just hall talking saying he and his sister Kathy grew up in Pottstown Pennsylvania. A small town about forty miles west of Philadelphia not to be confused with Putts Villa Pennsylvania which. I definitely have been doing this entire time. They're very close to each other but very different town. Oh Pottsville is very close to Centralia Pennsylvania. Which is the town that Inspired Silent Hill so you can imagine what? Pottsville is like. Oh that is legit. Yeah Potts town is quite a lovely little town. So that makes sense. I feel like Daryl Hall would be from a lovely little town. Yeah he likes lovely little towns he does pottstown however in my notes I wrote is quite a lovely town by all means. Daryl headed pretty decent upbringing. Both parents Franken Betty Hall. Were involved with music. Frank being a professional singer and betty being vocal coach and involved with different bands. Nice obviously darrow was inspired at a very young age to get involved in music however he said that he never viewed playing music as a pleasurable experience Because his parents were professionals in. Darryl was singing professionally since he was two years. Old Music was more like a job. Damn kid grew up via like no. This is my lucrative business. Yeah I mean he took it seriously any loved it any put emotion into it but that was part of the job was putting emotion into putting your emotions into music making music. I could see that. He seems like somebody who knows how to retake it song. He understands he understands. What's going to sound pleasant to ear? Exactly yes by the time he was in high school. He was already recording with other artists as a session musician. He continued his session career while at College Temple University in Philadelphia where he began attending in one thousand nine hundred sixty four cheese. So He's already a session musician. Yeah he was throw highschool to yes. Okay just say. His parents had connections like he could do that. I guess. But that's crazy even to think like highschoolers just like all right. I'll just come play drums on or I'll just come guitar on your CD Phil Collen. Yeah whereas other kids were like getting jobs. At convenience stores is orange parlors or whatever. He was a session musician Did you hear that Sweet Guitar Lick on the CPR album? Yeah I helped with that. Because he was in college in seventy as you said Yeah so I'm trying to think of like how you would have been like a session. Musician for like Beatles yardbirds up and do op which check smokey Robinson temptation. Now things like that. He worked with big names in the Philly soul scene. Like Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff who are part of the group? Kenny Gamble in the Romeos and are credited with starting the Philadelphia Soul Genre Nice. I thought you're GONNA say Kenny Gamble in the US. It should've been that this stuff for two guys and everybody else is just like really pissed off about being the background guys wouldn't give off. Would it be lead one man? They're on their huffy bikes. All often around the scene was dominated by all black singing groups like the ambassadors and the DEL phonics in the fall of nineteen sixty five. Daryl decided to form his own group consisting of all white guys. They call themselves the temp tones. Because apparently there's only like four words you can start a soul group with and you just have to split them all up and move them around and townhomes L. Tones they'll find egging pretty sure the Dell tones were in that thing you do but don't come for me on that anyway. By all means they were very popular in Philly. They often beat out other popular. Acts in singing. Competitions received high praise from fans and contemporaries alike at this point you're probably calling a cultural appropriation cultural appropriation. 'cause they're all white dudes in a majorities lack musical genre. But I would actually say you're wrong. Much like how talking heads used African beats in their music because they appreciated them and wanted the world to appreciate it to Daryl loves soul in our NBC because of his appreciation of it. He didn't want to exploit it. He wanted to immerse himself in it and learn from his peers. Right and also I imagine help boosted out into the winds like by listening to him. He can help promote their sound as well right so. I hope everyone listened to that entire statement before getting on our dicks about US accusing Daryl Hall. Colts were appropriate. And we're seeing on saying not do it. He did not do it. Yeah Hey fuck up. Yeah soon enough. The temp tones were recording songs for Arctic records making connections to musical greats like smokey Robinson and the temptation hell in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven when darryl was a senior. He met a temple. University freshman named John oates in a most unusual way. But we'll get to that shortly. Oh I don't know now to bed dammit. Fucking hold your horses all right. They're held hands on. Oh no they're off always on the whole time they're always with consent yes cash. Can I take my pants off and I say yes. That's fine. Yeah no pants John. William OATES was born on April seventh nineteen forty eight in New York City. Happy Birthday 'cause the day after we record this and the day before it comes out is Johnsboro tomorrow tomorrow. I'll have your birthday. His mother who was an areas I suppose is an aries. Ooh fiery man so darryl would be libra yeah Lebron every. Espn best friends weekend. Music in Heaven Fun till the end. Thank you you're glad to be here for John's mother Ann was an immigrant originally from Salerno in south Italy. His father L. was of English and Moroccan descent in the Early Nineteen Fifty S. When John was only a few years old his family moved to north Wales a suburb of Philadelphia. Not the country was one hundred sound like. Oh no he did not okay. John's musical talents flourished after they moved to Pennsylvania and only a few years old. He was playing guitar and singing every chance he could. He loved the folk and R&B scenes coming out of Philly in the nineteen sixties. While also getting inspiration from the same groups that Darryl did like temptations Otis Redding and Curtis Mayfield and smokey Robinson and smokey Robinson and the temp phonic tone. -tations attempt phonic tone tation. If they're my favorite. They're so good. They have that one song who girl do up your in my car with eighteen part harmony. It's really great so good. 'cause there's eighteen people fucking we all play bass drums species hopefully a different as long. How else are you got to make that work? I'm sorry how else this is a really get bad guys. I'm really excited. Just picturing this survey headed to three to fucking all playing at the Apollo. Yes Sullivan. He's so confused. Like why did I allow on my stage? And it's just like one Twenty Min- Lake Rendition of my girls stupid K. One of John's biggest influences was his guitar teacher. Jerry ricks who started teaching John at each five. Oh this guy had a prolific career. As a blues guitarist having traveled the world with great musicians. Like Buddy Guy Son House and Lightning Hopkins Letty. Guy But a guy guy. He had a signature style. Playing Guitar called Flat. Picking that he passed down to John. Soon after Learning Guitar John took seen lessons and then started his first band in six grade. What's adorable while attending North Penn? High School he recorded a song for Crimson records. Called your love. This was with his group the masters which he can write what grade this was when he was in high school. Yeah so like what? He's like fifteen like he's like. I need your love also. I've been called the Masters Fifteen. I think he might have been older than that. Okay I'm sixteen eighteen. Because he continued to be in the masters when he began attending Temple University in Nineteen Sixty six to study journalism. Oh interesting yeah a year later in. Nineteen Sixty seven was when Daryl Hall and John oates found themselves meeting the first time. May they were at the? Adelphi ballroom in Philly participating in a battle of the bands type competition darrow was with the temp tones in John was fronting the Master's Oh my God they could be master tones. Ten Masters Him casters temp taskmasters temp task. Can't go down this road again but like three bass players at least at some point during the show to rival gangs began shooting at each other inside the venue. I feel like I've heard this story. John and Darryl had the same idea pork chop sandwich the fuck outta there. Yeah they both ran into the same service elevator to escape the shooting and upon chitchatting bit. They realize they both attended temple university and had the same musical influences. They continue to run into each other on campus so they started hanging out outside plus two. Oh Hey you're that guy in the shooting right. Oh yeah you were there too right. Yeah we elevator like your hair your hair to and just picture like you're sitting elder crazy night. Everybody's just Kung Fu fighting. When that was booker the song even came out eventually becoming. Bff's Daryl and John then became roommates. Oh they bounce from apartment to apartment in philly working on their respective musical projects casually collaborating on their own songs. John Change Colleges when he was nineteen eventually graduating in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy. He then packed up his things and spent four months traveling around Europe. Oh that's how you do it. Yeah like do that cap here. But he took his gap year after. No you should totally take a gap year like you finished college. Like what the fuck are you going to fucking travel? Nobody gives a fuck what you did the summer after you graduated. But the gap. You're supposed to come between high school and college. Oh Yeah Yeah Oh Prion you're upright that that's why it's a gap year. Yeah you're supposed to go shop at the gap yes. They're not doing good guy. So what fall into it. Fall into yourself. Gal into the gap. Darrell may have lost his casual music buddy but he continued with his own projects he had already top tones. Temp phonics Tim. Phonic tones I forgot what I said. Already phonics -tations. That's a good band Deli onic. -tations let me get through this. He had already dropped out of college in. Nineteen Sixty Eight. One thousand nine hundred seventy. He pursued a career with a soft rock. Band called Gulliver. Gulliver was moderately successful scoring a record deal with Elektra records releasing an album but it fell apart for the band shortly after that happened. Oh they were called Culver anyways. This is no Delphi. Phonic tation yeah. I know what the son of Soul in this color. Only one bassist. I can't go for that guy's go no-can-do it wasn't all bad for Darryl by Nineteen. Sixty-nine he was married to his first wife. Brenna Lublin. He even converted to Judaism in order to marry her. Oh thank you for him. Meanwhile John was back from his European travels moved in with Darrell and Brenna in their tiny house in Philly. What yeah he just moved in with them. Hey Darryl back oh man come move in with me and my wife Great. That sounds great. She's like great. What did I sign up for this? They decided now is the perfect time to collaborate on a musical project together. No time like the present when living with your friend and his wife. When you're living with your friend's wife that's my wife. Here is where I would say. This is when Holland notes was born in. Yeah the dual as we know it was born however they never actually call themselves hall and OATES. They were always billed as Daryl Hall and John Oates full names. Oh it was fans and the press that started calling them by the short name but honestly that's the better it is but they wanted their full names separately like as Daryl Hall and John Oates because they were separate people with separate interests separate lives. They just came together to make music. I'm sorry how separate is your life when you're living with your friend and he just seriously. Yeah how'd you do that because I'd be pretty pissed off anyway? I can't talk. Oh I definitely a friend living with me and my ex when we were married. Yeah but you're living in New York City maybe phillies no Philly. Stafa ourself never supposed to seventy second one was philly. Yeah no stop myself either way. They started writing music. They found it very easy to write together. Despite their dissimilar interests on the outside they were quite the opposites physically and interest wise They also came from two different musical schools John from the Bluesy Folksy Perspective and Daryl from the RN Bien Soul perspective. Okay yeah it may have been easy to write together but the dual is still struggled to find their own sound. They played their songs around Philly. Eventually catching the ear of Tommy Mottola then just to go for at a publishing firm. That just started his own management company. If Tommy MOTTOLA sounds familiar he ended up becoming one of the biggest managers of like ever of the nineties and early two thousand He was also married to Mariah Carey for a hot second. Ooh Yeah they also have pre glitter very pre glittered. This was like emotions Mariah Carey. Who Tommy saw something really special in these two guys and convince them to let him manage them. Khawla notes would become Tommy's verse. I very successful clients now dope and I cannot express enough. How big of a part. Tommy mottola played in the careers of Daryl and John. He wasn't just their manager. He was a very good friend to them for decades and made a lot of very good decisions on their parts without Tommy Hall notes wouldn't exist as we know it all right. I could see that I mean a fucking real solid managers really important. It is extremely important. He's the reason they got a record deal. And everything. Tommy landed hall notes deal with Atlantic Records and they got to work on their first album. Their identity crisis was apparent on their first record called whole oats. I'll give you released the cover of it is just literally a canister of whole odes. So they're already making dead jokes or already dead joke good for them. So that was released on November Twelfth Nineteen seventy-two if failed to land on the charts or produce any hit singles. Ooh It didn't in them. A spot opening for David Bowie though. Oh Wow David going the seventies to yeah like ziggy stardust. I think yeah or like even like thin white Duke. Like that was later Seventies. This was early. Seventies was later right now. This is like super experimental. I'm going to look like a creature from Outer Space David Bowie. Oh Yeah I would've liked to have seen one of those concerts. That would have been great opening for David Bowie at early hall notes and David Bowie on the same bill. Weird very weird but man it must have been really cool to be able to say you've gone to that if you've gone to that could for you when you're later on. November third nineteen seventy-three. Their second studio album was released called abandoned lunch Annette. They again brought in legendary producer heiress Martin to oversee production. Sorry that's Martin Martin. Marin they poured themselves into this album carefully crafting each song to perfection in splitting songwriting duties. Pretty evenly but once again. The album failed to impress but doesn't have she's gone Getting there okay. The I was doing just under the album did however contain one hall in its classic. 'cause you're called she's gone she's gone. She's gone was originally. Oughta bannon lunch net but didn't become a hit for the duo until years later as the story goes. The song was inspired by John. State gone wrong. He had met this free spirit type of girl in New York in a New York restaurant at three. Am and after hooking up. He invited her to his in. Daryl's apartment on New Year's Eve when she didn't show up John wrote the course so the song she is gone home. Oh Oh better. Learn how to face it. Jeez okay we do a great cover guy do also if that story says mayor. You'd probably is it from a long time. Well over two years ago like our fourth or fifth episode. Yeah our breakup song episode. Who's one of my picks? It was funny. You picks He couldn't think of anything more to add. So he brought the song to Darrell. Darrell in Brennan had just gone through a divorce. And he was feeling the same feels and immediately drew up the opening piano riff and spouted off the only lyrics to the first verse. This is a little old. This will peanut butter and chocolate. Perfect marriage right here. It's the reese's peanut butter cups of musical duo so I like it. Oh God now I just WanNa Research Paper Cup. I'm good even like maybe the shapes are better than the cops. Let's be honest. Yeah Reece's pieces. I'll take the pieces. You can take the Cup all right. I'll take the pieces. You Ticked Cup. Even made a music video for she's gone and it's truly something special. I don't think I've ever seen them use. Oh I will show it to you. Take a second. Take a hot second. Go to Youtube and find the video for. She's Gone Okay. Did you do that? Was THAT FUN. That homeboy who long before. Mtv came around they made the video for some teenage dance show based at the Jersey Shore. The show wanted them to lip sync the song on the show but they refused and opted to make a video in lieu of a performance bouquet. They didn't want all the real weird. Yeah they didn't want to lip sync and they also didn't think that she's gone was inappropriate song to play on a teen dance show which. I Get. That makes sense law. I mean I don't know. Teenagers can be sad. About a break-up yeah but like it's a dance show. They WANNA dance with somebody with somebody who loves them and they can't do that to she's mair all right. Yeah the show producers got one look at the video and flat out refuse to air it. It's weird it's Daryl. John Sitting in recliners in like an empty studio lip. Synching the song but like only half lip synching it. And they're devoid of emotion. Daryl hall shaved off his eyebrows for some reason for why and he's Bathrobe. He's wearing a bathrobe. John is wearing a Tuxedo. But it's like a literal penguin. Suit like with flippers. He puts on. Jackie has like flippers. While he's pretending to play guitar every once in a while a woman will stride across screen and then when they say I'll pay the devil to replace her a guy dressed as a devil walks across the screen and they fling money at him and they like don't lip sync half the words. It's so we need to see that you have to. It makes no sense okay at all. I'm here for what it's also fantastic. Also Darryl is very clearly wearing women's platform sandals with some good for knock. Okay lost me at suck. Yeah yeah no no socks. It wasn't the only weird thing hall in society to do around this time. Their third album war babies was just as questionable as their first video. Oh God really son. October nineteenth nineteen seventy four. It was a massive departure from their previous albums opting for a more progressive rock sound than sulful are in be. Okay Todd. Rundgren produce it other members of his prog rock band. Utopia played on it. Okay Daryl in Todd. Rundgren were had been friends for a very long time. They door basically grew up together in Philadelphia. Okay yeah is adorable but make sense now but also maybe. Don't have todd rundgren producer. Hal them maybe not maybe not the best choice. Yano Atlantic was totally perplexed and when and when war babies again failed to produce any charting hits. Hala notes decided to beat it. They finally started to see some success after joining. Rca records releasing their fourth record. Simply titled Daryl Hall and John Oates Some people know this album as the silver album because of the silver color of the cover. Oh that's right or you may know it as the album. Were Darrell Inchon. Luke Lake Women on the cover. That's also that's also that it was designed by famed artist. Pierre Leroux Shea who is also known for doing the ziggy stardust album. Cover for David Bowie. Oh now it makes sense all makes so why why not but why not also why little the album cover cover was questionable to some people but what was undeniable. Was how good. This album was Daryl John Really came into their own realizing their sweet spot was so full. R&b With a solid hook and killer harmonies. Yeah finally they were seeing success with a major boost. Coming from the album's second single Sara. Smile Oh Sarah Snow. It was inspired by Darryl's girlfriend Sara Allen. This wasn't the first song he wrote about Sarah on abandoned lunch net. The song. Las Vegas turnaround was also about her. Ooh referencing her by name and that album came out the same year. Darrell divorced his first wife. So do the math maunder why they got divorced. You know what you can also do the math on. What else can we do math on because you know? I'm bad at math. All of the delightful free gifts you can get on Adam and Eve Dot Com using our code candy pod. Ooh Tell me more. Tell me more. 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Sarah would become a huge part of Hala notes. A success not only was she darryl's girlfriend for nearly thirty years. She Co wrote a lot of their biggest hit. We really yeah. She wasn't the only Allen with talent though she brought in her younger sister. Janna also a musician. Gifted songwriter into the mix as a collaborator Ho. Should I did not know that. Oh yeah behind. Every two great men are too like even better ladies. Yeah that's yeah that checks that's math of course. Atlantic records saw way to capitalize on Hollywood's hall and Oates is success and rerelease. She's gone as a single. The strategy worked in the song went to number seven. Right after Sara. Smile peaked at number four. But it was their next album that held their first number. One hit The album bigger than both of us was released in August. Nineteen seventy six. And how right they were deed the first single off. The album barely made a peep but the second single rich girl exploded my God. The lyrics were pretty straightforward a spoiled rich girl who uses her father's money to get whatever she wants at the time. A lot of people saw it was about exactly that however Darryl confirmed later that it was actually about spoiled rich guy. Oh he was a real life air of a fast food chain that Sarah wants stated no way. Yup that's so funny I wondered. Did she change the gender just to make it less known that she was talking about that? Dude Well Darryl said that they that he and John Actually changed the gender because it made it more relatable. Yeah I mean like it was still the Eighties Seventies. Still Seventy okay. Yeah so I mean it'd probably be weirder for the I mean culturally weirder for them to singer like you're a rich guy. It doesn't flow as well. Yeah you rich girl. You're rich guy and you go into far 'cause you know unknown man remember. Yeah no it sounds better as rich girl. Yeah Yeah I will say I used to hate that song though for a little bit because when I worked at the to you senator five point five they tell you how much be ninety. Five point. Five plays Guide Delilah loves that Song. Fuck Delilah Fuck Delilah. So now we're hitting the late seventies. Disco ruled and rock was at a low point. Just go shocks it. Yeah Disco Disco. It's really go. We're not of house music so I love to go there. You go after their success with rich girl. Daryl and John had very hard time keeping the momentum going no matter how much they toured. How many fans they gained. They just couldn't get radio airplay. Their next three albums were unfortunately more rock oriented and therefore didn't fare so well they had a couple of top twenty songs but that was it. Yeah Wow Darryl thought. This was a good time to make a solo record. Ooh shimmered question. He started to feel limited within hall and oats and probably had a ton of pressure to make another hit record. Yeah Solo album would be a good outlet. He released sacred songs in nineteen seventy seven. He worked with Robert Fritz from legendary. Prog rock outlet King Crimson. Who produced in play guitar on the album? Yes your expression. Yeah I feel it King Crimson. Like why Y'all think. What does this do you guys? I I feel like Daryl Hall really wanted to be in. Yes but he just couldn't do it just couldn't hack it like he played baseball at long. Daryl those are logs songs. That's why you had eighteen bases in Japan he was trying real hard to make soul in. Prague and it just wasn't working salt progressive soul. Yeah Rock Soul. Prog soldiers never happened. Never really gained that that traction he wanted to gain but like cute that you try and it was actually supposed to be part of a trilogy of albums. Robert Fritz produced sacred songs. Peter Gabriel second album and Fritz own album called exposure. They are supposed to be kind of like a loose trilogy. Yeah it's so weird full. It's so weird but it's Kinda cute like I'm kind of in love with this. Yeah it's like when your kid comes home with a macaroni painting and you're like palm too. So how does it look? I'm proud of him being a part of this right. Yeah like I kind of want to go in and listen to these albums back to back in just like I get it. 'cause I really WANNA get it. I don't know if you get it. I don't think I will. But I want to be like first of all we're throwing seventies Gabriel on the. Oh Yeah Gabriel. Yeah he was crazy. Gabe soups CRAZ- crazy leave. Yeah probably just left Genesis at that point right seventy-seven right. I think it was like seventies early eighties that he actually. I think this would I think he would have. He would have made the album after this so either way you probably peak. Gabriel where he was just roll nutty p crazy gave what is RCA. Refuse to release the album not surprisingly. Oh that's bullshit insisting there were no hits to be found on it. They weren't wrong. It's Prague where do you want like it wasn't really prog? It was? It was weird. Yeah they weren't wrong though. Although the album sold well when it was finally released in one thousand nine hundred eighty failed to chart any hits okay. So now we're into a new decade and everything is shifting. Disco is out. Guess what's becoming popular. Rock rock oriented pop yen. Notes is fucking wheelhouse. I can go for that. Yeah it was an era of big changes in Darrell. John followed suit for starters. They got rid of all outside producers songwriters and session musicians from then on they wrote produced in played all of their own music because who can connect to their music better than the people who wrote it. Yeah I mean honestly the seems to be a very good step in the right direction. Yes they also ditched L. A. And went back to New York recording in a studio just a few minutes from their apartments with Sarah Janna signed on as CO writers. They recorded the album with renewed energy. The resulting album was voices released in July Nineteen Eighty Ninety S. The second single a cover of. You've lost that loving feeling by the righteous brothers. Almost cracked the top ten. But it put Daryl Hall and John Oates back in front of People's faces. I will say though. Probably my least favorite Hannukah Song. It's not my favorite. I offer late. I just don't like that song not a nine member. I mean it's like it's Yeah. It's a snoozefest yes The third single kiss on my list brought them to the number one spot. Once again the song was written by Janna Allen and Daryl with the original intention of it being solely for Janna who is trying to launch her own music career. But when Tommy MOTTOLA got a hold of the Demo he insisted Daryl and John Record it instead and trusting she was okay with it. Okay I always think of foreign I had lake really went on this. We work night shift together. So that's your first indicator and you really want out this like. What is the song? Your kiss is on my list. But also it's supposed to be sarcastic. It's a sarcastic song. We really yes. I never pick that up because the whole point of the song is people bugging her about why she likes this guy and she's like oh his kisses. I fucking like his kisses. Okay because in the first verse. She say she's lying. Saying your kisses on my list. I never picked up. I just always like to because your kiss. Your kiss is Because Your Kiss Your Kiss K. RAISES. Because all my list alive. Why don't we have a holiday cover band? I don't know I think it's rude. I think the dish the podcast. We're really meant to do a whole notes. Cover Band we can call ourselves the temp del Phonic nation fuck. It was like at least ten other people to play bass at our bad including you. Oh yeah no I got base. Your lead-based Jangle Frisbee played completely. Offer of them. Yeah how else do you play it? Now let's are you going to cover oats with eleven bases offbeat Jangle Frisbee? Yeah there you go perfect because that is on my list of the best things. It is kiss on my list state at number one for three weeks and the follow up single you make my dreams. Co Written by Sarah Allen was another top five. Hit for the duo. Tell me you don't hear that song though in always think of wedding singer. I don't really. Yeah I've seen. I've seen wedding singer several times but like only certain scenes Sticking my head and that is not one of they always hear it and like when I was playing for my wedding. I just wanted a montage to that. Selling so bad it is a very good montage song to create Manteo Song voices also had the song everytime you go away on it but it wasn't made famous until nineteen eighty five when one hit wonder Paul Young covered it. Yup Yeah I did not realize Hong Song for a long time I did not either but I also could not remember who covered head but I knew it was a new. It was a cover but boy this guy. Yeah young with that hair own. Oh No it's like he has no. He has no hall. Air Hair Hall hair. No Hall hair no hall hair. It's like he tried to have like the eighties permed mullet but he has naturally sticks. Straight hairs slakes a spiky mess homey and he's just he's like he's soft Englishman So he just was not a handsome man all he tried trying counts. He tried real hard so good for him. He did a good job. It wasn't bad. I very much so remember that song so yeah I remember him. Doing it voices was still hanging out on the charts when they released. Private is in September. Nineteen eighty-one it was a good move because people didn't have a chance to forget about them. No they continue putting out hit singles including two consecutive number private eyes and I can't go for that parentheses no can do no can-do which were separated for ten weeks by only one song which was physical by Olivia Newton. John I mean. But let's get physical physical physical. Both of these holy notes. Hits were co written by Sarah in or Janna. My got so their biggest hits were all co written by Sarah and Jenna. Yes gopher you lay much every single one yup leading and they didn't really get you know big hits or a lot of attention until Sarah. Janet came in and started Co Writing Net. Through all this daryl in are still together. Yes okay yes. They are after releasing two more successful singles. Did it in a minute? Which was written by Sarah and Jan today that she did it. She did it in a minute. Yeah that was written by Sarah Anjana and and your imagination. It was safe to say that Holland notes were full popstars. The success of private is led to sold out tours in unprecedented fame. But they knew the importance of staying current so they went back into the studio to record their follow up to private is called. H. Two O. Just feel so sweaty when I look at her sweatier so the back of the vinyl. It's just what just kidding house. And I'm like sweats. I got by vitamix. I need to take a shower. I feel like I've worked out real hard but I just like sat on my couch so sweaty so wet so wet each to. Oh do you think they actually sweated for that or they just got covered in water. I think they probably got sprayed down with a spray bottle. You pry right you make terrible hall and John Oates Wet. Did you WANNA ruin? The gorgeous hair has hair. They got you can't they? Can't be sweating for real and have that hair. That doesn't happen does not. Have you ever sweated for real like you're done? My hair is done. Do you do any dawn? Can't do anything the Dante. That's for like toward their last farewell tour. They're the done taste age. Shula will become the duo's most successful album to date spending fifteen weeks at the number three spot on the billboard charts and also spawned their biggest hit. Ever Man. Eater here comes. Oh here comes indeed which was number one for four weeks in December nineteen eighty two. The song originated with John Jamming with Edgar winter question. Mark Shove what's so many question marks and Darryl started tooling around with after hearing John. Playing it he put a motown group to it and out popped to haul it out. Song in an actually wasn't about a woman at all. It was about New York City in the eighties and how dangerous and cutthroat it was to live there. I mean truth eighties. New York City was scary like guys. It's Kinda crazy to think like within thirty years. New York City went from like the Shithole. Don't fucking go there because you will get shanked yet to like artisanal like bathtubs in three thousand dollars a month apartment and as much of a controversial man as he was Ed Koch at Koch was the mayor during The New York City Revitalization Times. Use a guy that would go around going. How doing and says asking how you're doing Hamad you and how doing how Madeline Hustle but also a fucking asshole and he was corrupt as all balls but like man. He did a lot their next two singles one on one and family man both reached the top ten and family. Man is actually a cover originally done by Mike Oldfield and the music video really encapsulates. Hollywood's videos at the time I actually. I've seen bits and pieces. I've never seen the whole boy. It makes no sense. Is that the one it's like. I feel like I feel like I remember seeing like Daryl and John. Wake and they're kind of like these like dodgy looking in scenes and lake that dodgy but just like the smoke and like black and white. No I'm thinking of a different video. That might be later or my main man eater. I know it wasn't manny okay. It's pilot video then then everyone's man eater. I don't know But family man. They were playing with their band in a living room. All Yeah No. I didn't and they have like weird computer-generated man and woman a like icons like walking across the screen. It's it's fucking weird like there's things but terrible or yeah it's like a precursor to the Sam's blake whoever's controlling is just fucking weird and like there's one scene where when they do the Guitar Solo. The guys Playing Guitar. I believe his name is g e Smith. He is standing in a dark room surrounded by children. Who are just staring at him while he's doing a guitar solo and then it cuts back to the living room and all of a sudden. There's all these children in the living room. And they're terrorizing them in just being like crazy obnoxious little children but then it cuts to like a nineteen fifties family. Who's watching this video? And they're all like BOP in their heads to it and it's cool and then all of a sudden they're transported to a different era. But it's the same kids. It's just so fucking weird and it makes no sense and they do the same like dead. I bullshit that they do in all their they have no idea how to lip sync and Emo- at the same time it's it's awful one thing hall nuts never learned to do lip synching him. Oh yeah they did not know how to do that at all fair now that holly notes were one of the biggest acts in the. Us there are levels of exposure increased dramatically screaming crowds packed their shows in women flung themselves at them. Why Bet who? Yeah who yeah. They want their hair fingers through them. Hair's still ought to rub my fingers through them here. I would do it. Yeah can't stop me know with consent. By now. John was married to model Nancy. Hunter having literally plucked her out of a crowd at a concert in Minneapolis endeavors like you. You're hot get on the stick. Yeah basically and then he married her. All right Darrell was still in a relationship with Sarah Allen and they set up a home together in Millbrook New York. Oh of this curbed wandering eyes wandering. Is there watcher? Ladies at their concerts. Yan wait a minute. Millbrook is near you right. Yes milberg is two towns over from Millerton yes Which is where I grew up in. Which is where Daryl Hall lived for? Very Long Time. Yeah but when he first moved to upstate quote unquote upstate. Don't fucking come for me. Because that's what we call the upstate He I lived in Mubarak long time on a street called Butts. Hollow Beauty T. S. yet but follow. I got you know. He lived up tall because it was called Batali. Yeah hold up. You could one hundred percent get me to move to a house on hollow. I mean it was a really Nice House. On Butts Hollow Blake you Betcha fifty-three Hollow Lane. Yeah so good I wanNA live. Yeah some people that I went to school lived on Butt Solo too. So yeah. That's amazing I want to live. There still exists. You can win by. John has confessed in recent years. They he behaved like he was single. During this period it didn't matter that he was married. Groupies were constant. Eventually he was single after he and Nancy divorced in the early eighty. Oh I bet they walk into though they fucking get married. Yeah when you are hitting your fucking incline of a p get high dude when you are accelerating straits into women's vaginas. Yeah like your trajectory strategists drain but China just snatch ten. That's your trajectory. My do its peak famous snatch town. Yeah we haven't hit there yet but we're really working on that style guys forgetting like we've got Adam and eve and that's got me pretty excited. I mean we've kind of stopped off at Pottsville on the way but like you know you're getting there we're trying again they're in. Darryl was no angel either. Why bet that you can't resist resist hair? Yeah in fact he would find himself in court in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight squaring off against a former aspiring model named Andrea Zabuski for child support Andrea contended. That she en- Daryl had a one night stand after a show in Saint Paul Minnesota in April. Nineteen eighty-three which they probably did. During the height of their rock and soul part one fame which is a album of greatest hits that they released right after their last album which was eastshore. Oh Jesus Brain Fart. She was eighteen. He was thirty six. Oh my God nine months later on January Eighth Nineteen Eighty-four Darren Hall was born own Although Andrea Inform Darryl of the child and attempted many times to get Darryl to see him. Daryl wanted absolutely nothing to do with the kid. Hold up you gonNa Hook up with girls and not wrap it up. Yeah and I read an article that specifically address that and they both are while she said in the heat of Passion. Neither one of them Talked about birth control. Well that's stupid. That's very stupid. On both of their parts I get it. It was the heat of the moment. Yeah telling me what your heart meant however like either you need to plan B. The next morning which they have back man. I'm pretty sure they did not have plan. B We're going to look into that we civil in Minnesota. Oh never mind. I'm sorry you said the M-word Minnesota but then urged or pull out or I don't think what the coming just finishing something just suck them off and I was just GonNa say just sort of gave them like in have him like finish you hold up. You know what to make sure it happens like he should do. I send you do him. 'cause then like we know that this happens because like a big family tired. Elena got off or men. Just get off enroll over. Yeah like well. I'm done Ono bitchy. Well you ain't done or you ain't done. I'm not done. You Ain't done much. Abney DOT COM guys. Candy pod yourself you know. Do not put your pod. Put their toys in your pod. They make pot toys. That's what they're there for but anyway so okay. So He's getting sued for child support. Yes did they go on? Maury? I don't think Maury existed back than unfortunately there would have been fun right so in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Andrea took him to court for child support. Darryl did not deny that Darren was his but did argue that he shouldn't have to pay the amount of child support Andrea wanted. She was asking for ten thousand dollars a month. Which kind of a bit? Yeah much. Yeah again he's Daryl Hall but also like that's a lot. Yeah if you're coming in and saying I want help with this child give me like what a reasonable amount like. A reasonable amount is fine. Ten thousand is kind of unreasonable soups. Unreasonable you're asking for one hundred twenty thousand dollars a year for a child in Nineteen eighty-eight. No no no honey. The court deemed a thousand dollars a month to be enough all right. That's fair although Darren tried many times as an adult to have a relationship with his father ultimately never stuck. The two did not have the to do not have a relationship to this day. That's really Kinda Sad. It is sad. And that makes me kind of angry at Daryl Hall because he never tried daring tried a lot from everything I read. Darren tried a lot Darryl never tried. Oh and that sucks like the least you can do is sit the kid down and be like look. I understand that I am your father. But there's no way that I could be your dad. You know nine. Yeah at least I try to be a human about them. Yeah try to at least reason with them. Yeah that's just that's Shitty. That's really shitty. I really bad now. I do get the impression that Daryl and Andrea Thinking Daryl owes them something which I can understand but also you're an adult. He doesn't really. Oh you anything he owes you a little bit of like closure maybe yeah but also there's a part of me that feels like dude. You couldn't fuck him. Wrap it up. You have to deal with exactly you have to deal with it. It's a woman has fuck and deal with the consequences for the rest of her fucking life. 'cause cures thing woman gives birth and like this kid is a part of her Men Never fucking understand that that's like that is the woman's life right there. Yeah I also like men feel like they get to shirk that shit more. Yeah and they do and it's bullshit from I read a bunch of articles about this and what I also gathered was that this was kind of something that Andrea did like she. After she gave birth to Darren she also had two more children from a former boyfriend and she lived off of the child support though from both of them so I get why she asked for ten thousand dollars because this she she wanted to be a homemaker is going to be a cash cow for this was going to be how she lived But also I think a thousand dollars. A month was a little bit too low. She in the eighties. Yes she could have gotten a little bit more. I think in a month is reasonable. I think you also have to look at it from the standpoint of his eighties and the person who I feel it gives a real victim in. This is a kid you up one hundred percent thank you but I think like a thousand can take care of a kid for a month. Yeah as long as she worked at least part time. Yeah that's fine and getting child support from the other. Here's the other guy. I know some single moms out there and they are Boston. There has to make sure their kids have good lies and they might sleep. Get Child Support And like they're lucky to get like five hundred Malaya Child support so like if dad even bothers to pay exactly so it's like Daryl Hall in the eighties thousand a month. I think that's great. Yeah and he actually did pay it the entire time. He had to pay it so the snow month girl like yeah. That's too much. You're clearly going on here. I think they could have given her. Maybe another thousand a month or whatever but they didn't have to if eighteen hundred a month. Well also daryl needed to nut up and be in person a real person and at least be like look. I'm going level with you. I'm not a dad. I don't want children. This is not something that I would ever find myself and so does he not have other kids. He does not have children. All I never knew that Yeah he was married recently and his she. They divorced a few years ago but she had two kids and they all live together. That was the closest he came to having other children. And like. Here's an I get that. Yeah I totally get that and you know what the that's why I use birth control in various forms. Whatever fucking from you need like I have an Iud So I don't condoms or the man is to her condoms. I mean 'cause I know condoms. Condoms are not a factor Asian. Yeah you got somebody with the sniffs man so it's like whatever fucking formerly darryl if you don't want fucking kids get the fucking snip. Snip Bitch. Yeah spent a weekend with some sore balls in. Get the literally an outpatient procedure. You're awake during the whole thing but you don't feel anything right so I get it. I fully fucking understand why women don't WanNa be on birth control but you know what it's also up to the guy to be like. Hey what are we doing about birth control whether it's now whether it was one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. It doesn't fucking matter. Yeah it is also your fucking responsibility. Everybody's responsibility we get on it. Cover it up. Wrap it up grab Jimmy and go to town yeah. I'm sorry it doesn't feel as good. You know it doesn't feel good pushing a baby out of your Regina Right in caring for the rest of your Goddamn life. Yeah cool that you get to not have to give a shit. I'm not sad I'm nine or let's continue rant. Okay between Nineteen eighty-three in nineteen eighty eight hull notes released a greatest hits album and that was the rock and soul part one kneels and their twelfth studio album. Big Bam boom. I specifically said that way so he didn't fuck it up. It was really good though. This album continued the slow growth of electronic oriented rock that they were creating relying heavily on synthesizers. They continue getting number ones though with out of touch getting the top spot and their second single method of modern love. Also Co written by the Allens of course Because there's a real good song hit the in that hit the top five but all things must come to an end. Oh they were still riding high on their success but Darryl John took some time to do things outside of the studio and to work on solo projects. I mean that's fair though. How long at this point? The county fucking albums they put out. This was twelve. Yeah Yeah they're twelve th senior L. Them they earned a break. They participated in the. We are the world project and performed at live aid in Darrell released another solo album. While John wrote the song electric blue for the band ice house which is a song. I do not recall no later. I watched the video. Oh boy who we cut hair. It's all I have to say. Is the hair their contract with. Rca was running out as they fulfilled all of their obligations already. But Tommy Mottola knew that that was a bad thing. He scrambled to get them. Signed to Aerostar. Records in Nineteen eighty-seven assuring they'd still be able to make music for a major label again. Probably saving their asses also like he always does Tommy. They released two albums under era. Sta Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Ninety. Ooh Yeah has an exclamation today stopped. They just start giving up. I feel like in one thousand nine hundred change of seasons. Okay then they start trying again. They're single so close off of change of seasons which was co written and produced by a Jon. Bon Jovi would be their last top forty hit boy. Oh boy it sounds like a Bon Jovi Song. I S I understand what they were trying to do with these records. They're trying to be a little edge year while still appealing to the older crowd. The early nineties was a weird time. This was Lee Eighty late eighties in nineteen ninety. Like from like eight to ninety two. I feel like because weird for nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. George George H.W. Bush was in office and no one knew what the fuck was going on until grunge happened. Everyone was like what are we to do? Yeah that was a weird bridge of music and life and existence yet they are trying to be edgier but appealing but instead they came off as something. Kinda like Bon Jovi Meets Sophie. B Hawkins is very weird but also sounds like really fitting for the Times. It is right. Yeah it doesn't hold up by but when it came up I can get into this but go watch some videos from around that tire and Darryl definitely looks like Bon Jovi meet Sophie. B Hawkins okay. I've believe it it's crazy. I believe it one hundred percent. He was trying to go for like the wavy hair. Look but he was also wearing modo jackets. So very sophie. B Hawkins Very Damn. I wish I was your lover. I do wish I was kind of like. I would've rubbed my hands all over. You'RE GONNA say I was GONNA. I would rub my genitals all over that here but I just put my hands on his hair totally see us rubbing your but on his head like Oh Yay Mr Hall Legally Home Mr Hall and I guess that's not how we do this mantell they weren't. How do we do this? This is how we do rubbing my bud onto rubber on his head. Oh my God although the albums went platinum and gold respectively. They were still disappointments and the duo wouldn't release another album together until nineteen ninety seven. Oh Shit in the meantime both Daryl. John saw their lives going downhill. Oh they got the surprise of their lives when they were called into their management's office and told that they were flat broke despite having sold forty million albums they had no money left so they get fucked over on a contract Despite what it sounds like they weren't cheated out of money. Oh they didn't signed some bogus contract that allowed everyone else to profit off their success at their loss. This might be a rock candy. I this is. Oh it is. Tommy Mottola wasn't scamming them either. It was as simple as this. They spent too much money and no one showed them how to manage those dumb fucks. Yeah they just spent too much fucking money. And like Tommy Mottola. Wasn't there being like You probably shouldn't do that. In their accountants that worked for Tommy Mottola weren't like you probably shouldn't spend all that money. No nobody said anything to them. They just let them spend however much they while yes. The stress of hearing he was broke gave China panic attacks so strong. He thought he was dying in the back of a taxi. Cab Oh no. He's sold off most of his possessions including houses airplanes an Antique Car Collection. And so on and so on and honey. Also like do you see now. Hi You're also. You really do need all of that Shit. You didn't need four fucking houses. Oh you really don't they? You said all my honey. That's why you bro. You don't you don't thrift. Yeah the distress over. The financial loss forced him to rethink everything in his life. Oh including his mustache. Around the turn of the decade. The mustache was gone. There is actually an amazing youtube video that someone did a cartoon of it was a whole series. Oh there was more than one. Yeah there was like I forgot what it was called. Oats and stash oats in stashed mustache. Yes and him in fighting crime basically. It's amazing youtube. But he loved. He loved his wife about it. Yes he seems like someone who could take something like that in Stride Daryl Hall. Not so much maybe but yeah. I totally was. Don't get me wrong word about it. I do Love Me Daryl Hall. But he also seems like he takes himself a little a little bit businessman. Yeah he's a family man. Funny Man Yeah Hall is the Straight Guy. He's very straight. Yeah eventually they recoup some of their losses by claiming old royalties hadn't been paid in years. Nobody's come to find out. There is a larger investigation going on into the music industry that uncovered millions that record companies were not paying their artists hilariously. This investigation was headed up by Eliot Spitzer's office remember Eliot Spitzer one time New York governor that got kicked out of office because he was caught with escorts yellow. I remember that I'm Leah. I remember one time. It was like ten years ago. It was about ten years ago. Yeah Times a weird social contract. Yeah Wow to do you remember. Like Eliot Spitzer was the most controversial politician we had at the time. Yeah I actually met him like a couple days before that scandal broke because I was working for W. EMC. Yes you were you local public radio station. And he came in as a guest on one of our shows like three days before the whole scandal broke. He'll say I just met this guy. I'll use her gross. I Miss Eliot Spitzer I kinda Miss Eliot Spitzer those halcyon days when Elliot with the biggest scandal was Eliot Spitzer sleeping with prostitutes who are totally willing to fucking sleep with him he. He actually paid them. He paid them a lot. There was a lot of consenting there. Yeah he paid them a lot to sleep with a high missiles days. Wow I just got really sad tell me more about. It's Mac who man alone but the bad news didn't stop coming. Oh Fuck Janna. Allen was diagnosed with leukemia and was so sick that she moved in with Daryl in Sarah so they could take care of her on August. Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety three. She passed away in their Milberg home. It was a devastating time and shortly after I wrote shortly after it was actually ten years after right now. It feels shortly feels shortly after Darryl in Sarah. Amicably ended their thirty year relationship Let's amicable yet. Why you know what not everything can last forever exactly except for hall notes. Because they're still going okay cool fine with that impart to get their minds off of all the bullshit and in part to generate some income daryl in. John went back into the studio in one thousand nine hundred seven and recorded miracle sky. They released some things here and there throughout the nineties and early two thousands and had a couple of adult contemporary hits and continued working on their solo projects. It was around this time the late. Two thousands in twenty tens. When a stall Joe became a thing for millennials high? We came out worried dolts. We became spend money. Became ADULTS REALIZE. Bring us back. I it's us. Just take us guys. Yeah baby come back the music we love when we were kids. We wanted it back. Yeah we knew guys. Do you remember the black eyed peas? We don't want them back. We wanted like hall notes back. Yeah we rush. I got really back then. Like basically just seventies prog rock got really fucking into it. And that's Daryl Hall comes full Fucking Circle New fucking knew. We knew around two thousand fourteen twenty fifteen. That shit was hitting the fan. Yeah and the music we loved. His children was going to be the security blanket to get us through it. Yeah somehow we all latched onto hall and oats and made them popular again. Y'All they made appearances on the daily show flight of the conchords dancing with the stars and had cameos in several movies. Yeah also Yeah Robbie Yacht. Rock became a thing so our hall. Not Iraq yeah okay. One hundred percent Iraq. Still think we were going to our view last week and it got cancelled because of the rony so thanks to prowl. Actually No. It's not canceled its rescheduled. I'm still deprived. Still depressed about it because now I have to wait even longer anyway. Holly notes is Cadillac. From nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty seven was a perfect brand of adult oriented rock that yet rock enthusiasts love Yup all of a sudden halt saw a surge of love. Come flowing back to them now in a condescending way genuine and unabashed love for their music. It's just fucking great. Their music is timeless. It up their music is on my list of the best things in life. Yeah I can't go for that Helping to throw the duo back into the spotlight. Was Daryl show called live from Daryl's house? It's he started it as a web series in two thousand seven and gave it a simple concept invite musicians and songwriters of all kinds to his house in Millerton aware run where they jam on Holly Notes Songs and the musician songs in Aaron on the Internet this series became so popular that it was picked up by. Vh1 MTV since selling his property in Millerton. Darryl has moved the show to his venue in pulling New York appropriately titled Daryl's House. Here he films the show but it's also a fully functioning concert hall booking various acts every week much to the Chagrin of local residents will focus. Yeah I mean polling small town the venue smack in the middle of it. I think at it like you. Don't WanNa be up until midnight on Tuesday because Daryl's houses bumping I do but the Grody little fucking city. It's that live there. Don't want to city it's city. It's like that okay a city it is somebody from New York City probably Manhattan. Who has a shit ton of money who gets a quote unquote cottage in the quote unquote country? Which is quote unquote upstate. Upstate I mean like Westchester Putnam. Ulster Dutchess Columbia. Greene county's right right Which Terry else in. The state is not upstate. No not at all to me it was upstate because it was upstate from New York City now I get it. I lived in the city for a bit. A lot of fights win. Yeah I'm sure everybody from the city was like I'm going upstate. But they're going to like Westchester. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah. I'm sorry this state. Yeah so they would get go another two hours and tell me about your upstate. Yeah so they would get their quote unquote cottage which was like a two million dollar three or four bedroom house. That was like three times the size of the house. I grew up in And eventually they just took over. Yeah so many of them moved up there that they just took over. I don't know anybody really in my hometown anymore. It's all city transplants. Who K. City? Yes Yeah but also Daryl Hall's now no well no he lived in Millerton for a long time and he now lives in Sheffield Massachusetts which is right about twenty minutes down the road. Okay counts counts. It's still becomes to Millerton to do as grocery shopping and I will say though. He did have an episode of L. King in Daryl's house said he was such a good episode. You did have an episode with Fitz and the tantrums to which was amusing so before they saw before they started sucking. Yeah Oh man. These days. John is living the quiet life splitting time between Nashville and Colorado. Wow He married his second wife Amy in one thousand nine hundred five and together they have a son. Darryl waited until two thousand nine to get married again but they divorced in two thousand fifteen we know what to can't be tied down can can't you just Marlboro dying of Man? Look at that Man Hall and oates still tour regularly and with their resurgence in popularity over the last few years. They're going to be going going strong for a long long time to come. There really is absolutely nothing. That's going to get the most successful duo in music history down except for. Maybe the corona virus don't say that no you're right it's fine. They're rich they'll be fine. Yeah even if they do get the rony like they have probably the best kind of medical care that they probably could. Yeah everytime everything's fine. Everything's fine fine man Paul notes. Yeah no now. I'm kind of like there's some fee part if hall John Hall believes Great Blake. My deep seated love of him. Salako can overlook it a little right. He also shut. Your Dad wants so we did he shouted down and fucking facebook. This is like this. Is your time right here is. You're tired of proud about where you're from life to give anybody background on this story that I haven't told it to already told like everyone so ashes point of pride after Darryl Open Daryl's house in polling. My Dad became the code. enforcer for the town of Pauling and Daryl's house had a fire once they're neon sign burst into flames. Burned down like the front of the venue or something scary. So they had to rebuild. And when you rebuild something. The code enforced ask out. Make sure it's up to Code so with my dad did that. And then when they reopened. Daryl put out a facebook post thanking. Everybody including my dad may ask his dad. I Lake One degree from Daryl. Now your touch should of brought you with them like all my daughter's learning the trade. My Dad does not understand my love. Of course I never saw you in the in the video clips from Daryl's house of you just peering into the windows like Daryl. You really have to look for me. I'm like Richard Scary Homeland. God to really look for me. It's like Oh worm from the Richardson books. How many people actually do you think? Know what the Richard Scary Books fucking better. Because that was one of my fucking favorites when I was hit. I think they still have the Richard Scary book from when I was curious on VHS. Really Oh yeah. I didn't know that it was like there. Were a couple of this man. It was holy Shit. I don't WanNa see it. Also that fucking worm and low. That were fool hat. He's so cute anyways. Thank you guys for listening. Now that we've had a full hour and a half or so of full fucking nostalgia God but like what's going to bring you back like hall notes. It's so good like you. I kind of apologize for breaking. Into song disassociated also like the. But that's the thing that haunts oats is that they are such a fucking ear. Were and that's the thing. They might be two very different people but when they get together they both know how to make a hook and harmony. That will get stuck in your head forever. Well with the help of the leading with help from very important lady seriously so yeah celebrate them but also celebrate the lease that got them going. Sarah Sarah Brey celebrate. Sarah Allan Janna Allen because they had a huge hand in making hall and Oates who they are and Tommy in tally. Matola with those three kids. I don't really feel like he's a very good person. 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Rock Candy Ep. 121: Thin Lizzy - He Was Somethin'

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Rock Candy Ep. 121: Thin Lizzy - He Was Somethin'

"You know we. We plan our episodes out like a month month and a half in advance. We're good little Dube's and try to have an idea of what we're gonNA. Talk about you know in a month. Yeah because mart. Our podcast takes a lot of planning. It does takes planning, and we are well aware that due to current events being the hot garbage dumpster fire that they are many people that we know many of our podcast. Friends are doing a podcast blackout and we heavily consider doing that as well. Yes, because I think that's a great idea. We fully support all of our friends and anybody who's doing it i. think that's Great. Yes, however, yeah. We had this. This episode planned out for at least month month and a half now and the person that is in the forefront of this whole story is a very progressive black man. who is extremely underrated in rock music and is often forgotten about. So it made more sense to us to tell his story. Tell his band story. because. Everybody needs to know his story. Yeah, I. Agree. I think that's important. I think just as important as the silence you can also. Celebrate. Lives Yeah I think to tell a story. That's important. Yeah, I think his is. It's I guess not as typical of story typical a life as a lot of people of color experience in America of course his takes place in Ireland in the sixties and seventies eighties, but they're still elements of racism. There's still elements of doubt in there still things that affected him in his life. That affect a lot of people of color still. I do believe I. Correct me if I'm wrong, but and there is a lot of working class. Yes, anger, and they from what I understand. This ban represents a lot of that. Sentimentality yeah, so. We decided to tell the story of thin lizzy. Yes, anyway, because thin lizzy is, it's frontman Phil. Line, it and he needs the respect that he deserves yet i. think it's good to bring more attention to their story, because even in the world of music and rock. Specifically you hear thin. lizzy name a lot, but. I don't know their story. Yeah, you may have heard. The boys are back in town, but do you know any of their other stuff? Did you know that they had lake nine studio albums and their bangers? Yeah, dubs. Yeah, and jailbreak is their song to jailbreak is a thin lizzy song every time I hear it right. This is thin, Lizzy, yeah, and Oh. Yeah, on top of that. You know that whiskey in Jar. Cover that METALLICA did. They fucking ripped off of thin. Lizzy I mean so hard so sad. They were doing the thin lizzy cover of whiskey in the. But any casual metallica listener will not know that it was their version was originally done by thin. Lizzy and also James Really yourselves focus. Excuse me. It's whiskey in the jar. WE GO WIN A. Tight Fit Anyway Yeah. We're talking about metallica talking about the because we're rock candy podcast. I'm Ashley. and. We're giving you a sweet treat of a story this week. Yeah, despite this spicy times. We thought it was still appropriate. Oh, I don't even spicy anymore. Let's leave literally on fire. We've hit like actual just. Remember the word for it, but just the bad times. Yeah, like complete disillusionment disenfranchisement. Yes, only twenty. You know the fact that this is all still happening. And I don't think we want to talk too much about it. In the sense that were to white people were not gonNA. Sit around and tell you guys feel better than we're not gonNA. Sit around and talk about our feelings about it because our feelings don't fucking matter what matters is. We're telling this story and we're doing our fucking best. Yep, you try and help the people whose voices need to be heard. Yeah, so yes, we do that then. Let's tell the story of thin. lizzy Yes oh! Never mind. It's going to talk about beer. We don't have a beer. Another announcement. Quick before we started early quick, we didn't just talk about a beer 'cause. We decided not to do that anymore like we're still drinking. Yeah, don't worry about that and if. We're still going to highlight beers that we really care about. Be Thinker, really good or see actually are thematic. 'cause. We're not going to give it up entirely. It's just we're not gonNA. Bust are fucking acids. We don't really like to find a beer that we're not gonna like were don't really want to drink. It's a stretch at pets. That is a stretch at best fitting category exactly so if we find one that is clearly a reference to a musician we're talking about your will drink it otherwise. We just going to drink. Yeah, this week. I'm drinking rare form I'm drinking practically magic. When favorites I would say you know then lizzy could be practically imagined is true because that, too? Hot You also have another one called smoke on the pills, which is clearly a reference to smoke on the water. Yeah, by deep purple has nothing to do with this. They do one hundred percent. They do so it kind of works. The only purple, going to pop up. ooh, okay, yeah. I didn't know that I'm glad that you pointed that out. You be like. Why are you drinking to crawlers Maggie and I'm going to say because I didn't drink for a week. He didn't know it was crawlers well. Now you know. because. I didn't drink for a week. You're making up for last time, so shit's been crazily ironed. Now now that it's out of the way, let's let's talk about thin, lizzy. Let's do it then, lizzy. You was one of those bands that you couldn't take your eyes off of. There's a lot of reasons for that. The biggest of which was the dynamism of the band's lead, Singer and bassist Phil Line Fuck you bases. There's no question that he was the very first Black Irishman to achieve commercial success in the world of music. There's also no question that his extraordinary life ended tragically and way too soon. I don't like this. We really couldn't have picked a better band to talk about this week. Considering the media coverage as of late. George Floyd, Brianna Taylor Ahmad Aubrey, Tony mcdade, and so many more people of color became victims of white violence in the last couple of weeks, although fills eventual death was not directly at the hands of white people. It still was caused by an epidemic. That disproportionately affects far more people of color than white people, and that is drug abuse. Damn it. We can officially say day zero. No heroin heroin. Sorry okay calendars all right. Thin lizzy started in. Dublin I all Ireland in Nineteen, sixty nine, it was one of those bands that had a revolving door of guitarist, but Phil Lineup and Drummer Brian Downey were the pillars held the band up throughout its tenure. Brian was born in Dublin on January, twenty, seventh, nineteen, fifty one and grew up in the suburb of Kremlin. Okay, which sounds so Russian. It's probably pronounced, completely different Kremlin something like that. Kremlin. He was heavily influenced by jazz as a child. And when he started playing drums, that jazz influence could be easily distinguished. He grew up in a musical household with a father that played in an Irish pipe band. It was his father, that introduced him to jazz in his favorite rock bands, the rolling stones, the Kinks, and of course the Beatles of course of Co everyone everyone loved the Beatles. Vehicles Brian took his love of playing drums with him throughout school, joining various bands with his peers lake. The liffey beats liffey beats. I think that's how you say it, yeah. That sounds right. Yeah and MoD CONCAVE DWELLERS I don't know that sounds I'm looking some would call a band. Things were weird in the sixties in Dublin. I feel like I. Think things are still weird doppler. I'M GONNA. Say Yeah, things are still weird. That's what keeps Dublin interesting true. But once he met Phil, line at Everything Changed Phil had a much different, much more unconventional childhood than Brian. He was born Philip. Paris Line on August Twentieth Nineteen, forty, nine, in West, Bromwich England. His mother Philomena line. It was an eighteen year old white woman from Dublin Ireland's and his father's see so Paris was a black man from Guyana `wow! The Scuds Walter Cultural F. C Sola Philomina had met in Birmingham in Nineteen forty-nine, and we're only in a relationship for a few months. When seasonal was trans transferred to London for work shortly after his departure, philomena found out she was pregnant. Oh, she's pregnant. Yeah, an propaganda NANCE, no hope she takes any starch masks. Although. She was unmarried and did not continue a relationship with C., so she decided to keep the baby. Phil. That's her choice. Absolutely, it's her choice good for her. The thing about choice you can do whatever you want I know it's crazy. Filipina move to Manchester. When Phil was of school age and stayed there for several years, and for his part seesaw was fine with this arrangement, kept in touch with Philomina and pay child support throughout fills childhood Oh. This the most responsible. Lay set up I've ever heard I know GD Life Yeah. The most responsible fifties non-married relationship that ever existed. Yeah, like this is the gold star standard of unconventional child rearing. Yeah, exactly. All, right. Phil Entered School in the Mid Fifties attending a moss side school in Manchester, but since children are assholes sometimes. He experienced quite a bit of racism there Oh. Come on, right. Where was this again? They were still in England and should go back to his point. He was in Manchester Okay. So we're stilling. Yeah, Really Manchester. Yeah, Really Nice, yeah! Come on! fucking cuts. And children were not kind to the mixed race boy, so philomina sent him to Dublin to live with his grandparents, frank and Sarah because Dublin's through fucking shoes. It's at this point. It was at least the Manchester I guess. This move had good and bad results. For the first time. Phil had a father figure in his life in the form of his grandfather, but the absence of his real father had a significant effect on him, anyway, leading feelings of abandonment and worthlessness, and it would be. Something fills struggled with throughout his life so his dad basically. He would send money, but that was. He had nothing really to do. Yeah, and I think later in life his dad came back and found him and it really kind of spiraled him into this lake. Weird mental health kind of it was like a too little too late kind of situation. Right and at this point I've come to a place that I'm okay with and you. Coming back just blew that up. Yup, he's finding like guys. I did it. Sounds like hello son and he's like. Oh. Knocking therapists going to do heroin yet. Cut I! We have doing this for too long. Yeah, it is so predictable now. Same Old Shit guys, similar shit, different dealer. It also meant he didn't spend as much time with his mother, although she kept in touch with him, and the to continue to become closer as he grew up, Philomena was more of a sister or a friend him than a mother. She was so young she had to write. By all means, she was a cool mom, though. She's not like regular regular MOM's. She's a cool mom. You need some condoms you keep. You keep you up, so he's got a rat dad McCall mom I. Guess She an Absent Dad in a cool mom, okay? Almost almost as bad. Supposedly she even introduced him to drugs rolling up his first joint for him at age thirteen. Maybe not maybe tone to. Cool, but also I'm not going to begrudge her anything because like it's not like she was here. Here's all the street drugs she was just like Nah. Here's some weed weeds. Fine, she. Probably you know. What though I still look at the same I look at alcohol. And I wouldn't give a thirteen year old booze. No, like if your kids like sixteen seventeen and you're like you're going to go out and do it anyway like I'd rather just do it here, not thirteen. Maybe wait a couple years. If you can drive a car, you can smoke joint. Yeah, that's of that would be my. Two at the same time so why? We're not parents yet. Because I would like, that would be the house role. If you can drive a car, you can smoke a joint. You get your license. You can have a joint. Not at the same time at nowhere near each never beer and a joint, but that's only one of each. Time one nine at the same time. You can't drive while you're doing those things. This is why we're not. Paren- all my God I've made so many weird rules myself. Oh anyway. By the time Phil was a young teenager she had bought the Clifton Grange Hotel with her longtime partner Dennis Keeley in Manchester. Oh, I should say Filipino was a pretty extraordinary woman. She was playing first of all her name's Philomina Yeah, which is a boozy ass name. Yeah, but I mean. Her family was in boozy. She was just extremely progressive. For her time. Okay, she was really like. You know racial equality really gender equality everything like that and really. After Phil passed away, she really liked took the reins to keep his memory alive. Oh so good for her. She was great. But this hotel would become a legendary. Hang out for touring rock bands and a hot spot for Raucous parties and debauchery who who it was often the only hotel in the city that would host bad reputation bands like sex pistols. Oh, and they were. They loved her, so they didn't fuck around. You know yeah, if you can make a reputation for yourself as being the cool place, but so cool that you don't want it to get shutdown. Yeah, YOU'RE GONNA. Treat it good exactly because if that's the only hotel in Manchester. That's going to host you. Better be nice. It's called. Don't shit where you eat. Yeah, don't. On his visits to Manchester, as a young teen, this had to be pretty influential on Phil, also influential to him was his uncle's record collection. Always as always is always your weird uncles record collection. His uncle was listening to blues, rock bands like the yardbirds, and the WHO but also had a lot of motown records for good measure, and these sounds came became ingrained in fills DNA. It was this mix of Blues Rock and soul that would become the basis of thin lizzy sound. Yeah, one one hundred percent. By all means Phil was a pretty nerdy kid. He loved comic books and gravitated towards the lone wolf characters in a way he saw himself in these heroes, a solitary man against the world, making his own way in life. He was alone black boy in. Dublin set apart from everyone else because of the color of his skin, although he didn't face a whole lot of racism in Ireland. I would say he faced the quote unquote, well meaning racism like camera in the sixty more of racism out of ignorance, not out of Hey, yeah, like people like can I touch your hair. Yes, 'cause they're like. ooh, this alien black boy I've never seen one before. Yeah and not to justify it, but it's. Definitely like did not realize at the time. Yeah, how fucking bad that? That's definitely a much more recent. I guess discovery for White People Yeah that that is damaging. Yeah, like finally people. Can you stop and we're like oh? We're assholes. Wow, some of us are yeah I. Mean I've never done it, but you know what I mean yeah. But. He sounds like a really cool kid. I would have loved to hang out with. And like he still felt different because he looked different. Eventually, he grew to accept and appreciate his otherness, but it still meet him feel alone. Yeah, and one thing that made him feel a little less alone was diving into Celtic history and fantasy. Although he was born in England, he considered himself an Irishman through and through, and no one could argue otherwise set. He took pride in his Irish roots and often incorporated Celtic legends into his lyrics. It was lyric writing that first CCUPIED fills time along with singing. He went to play an instrument until much later. Oh, instead he fancied himself a front man, but he had a lot of work to do when it came to stage presence, despite the fact that he idolize comic Book Macho, men and Celtic heroes. He just didn't have as much confidence as they did. WHO DOES I don't know? I mean I didn't lose uncle pen. So how can I be Spiderman? Yeah I don't know I. Don't have any. Bone, so how can I be Wolverine? I don't have come webs coming out of my hands. So how can I be Spiderman? It works right. That's comic books comic books. It's just come webs. Come with. Yeah, yeah! Speaking of come webs I I was like she's. This is where we're going with this. 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Well either way Phil landed his first Gig. In nineteen, sixty, three at age, sixteen, as frontman in a band called the Black Eagles. Oh, it was in this group. That film Brian would. I play together starting in nineteen, sixty five when Brian quit. The liffey beats enjoined Black Eagles. Fuck these liffey beats. Don't the Black Eagles done with this more like lousy beats. Beats Lousy but you're the drummer and he's like fuck you believe in. KICKED OVER A. Guitar Stand Very Natty here. Back. Your fault. I feel like this is just like a continuation of Jack. Black in school of rock. Somehow. Believable read between the lines. The boys knew each other from school already but Brian was busy with his various bands while Phil was still daydreaming of being of fronting a band. This is also when Phil started dabbling in harder drugs than we'd Goddamn his former bandmates. Remember him taking what was basically speed, which helped him feel more comfortable on stage, but isn't that the way that's always what it is if somebody's like I, need speeds or gives me the high energy that I need able to perform on stage. Yeah, and it's usually the next thing especially back in the sixties and seventies after we'd people like. I need something a little because we'd slows you down. But speed. Speed up. Oh, I wasn't trying to do that I. Just realized I was doing I guess he hadn't. He hadn't learned the fleetwood MAC method yet. He did not have coke and Cognac. Yeah, no, not yet. The band only lasted a couple of years until things fell apart in nineteen, sixty, seven fillon Brian went their separate ways Brian to drum for a local band called sugar shack and fill to front skid row, not that skid row I was like what this was an Irish band put together by brush shiels, and also included guitarist Gary Moore who we will see again later. Okay, see you soon Gary Yeah. Skid row did pretty pretty decently shows around Dublin with a repertoire that included Jimi Hendrix and Beatles covers along with some originals. Phil spent his time in the band. Working on his frontman skills, he engaged audience more and even performed mock fights with brush on stage. But it would be a long time before he grew the confidence. You see later in thin, lizzy. You know what's going to give you confidence. Getting your ass kicked on stage. A guy named brush. With a brush in bt with A. Purchase being with with brush dust you off. Dozens his hair dust the floor in front of him. So you have a nice fighting area. Yeah, but the brush with the brush. It was during this time with skid row that Phil became a father for the first time what his girlfriend's father was a military man, and having a child out of wedlock was absolutely not possible. The couple were therefore forced to give the child up for adoption in nineteen sixty eight. It wasn't until twenty ten decades after fills untimely death. That Philomina acknowledge that Madeira. Lamb is indeed Phil's son Wow. I did forget. Yes, this is very Catholic, Ireland. You can't get an abortion, but you also can't keep your baby and then, but I want to keep the baby, and they're like well too fucking bad well. You guys want to get married. No Gay Whoa kids out of here. Your attitude kid yeah. Good fucking luck. As fee would have it. Brian and Phil found themselves together again after things didn't work out in their respective bands getting the band back together, sugar shack folded and skid row kicked fill out after a televised performance went wrong. No brush was already growing concern with Phil's tendency to sing off key, and by the time foe came back after tonsil surgery brush taken over the singing duties. Oh, no, Russia such an asshole! These modified brush with he was really pissed. Either way fill in brush stayed friends, and as a consolation prize Brush Phil how to play Bass Oh. He was still mastering his base skills when he and Bryant teamed up to form a new band called orphanage up so phil gets kicked out of bed, but then you have lashes like a every bad so I'm gonNA. Make you do more work. I'm going to teach you base teach. Yeah, and it's like we really pace. Yeah, I'M NOT GONNA get any of the ladies with base. Probably, not well here you go well. That's what you gotta work on. You need something. It's the base. We don't have enough bass. Players fill a right likely playing guitarists plenty of lead singers. We got this one drummer and he's really good, so just fucking play Bass. You just learn the fucking base. Just pluck a couple strings. Damn it, yeah. So they started another band called orphanage, Brian was on drums naturally and Phil took frontman duties and occasionally played rhythm guitar. In the meantime to Irish musicians named Eric Bell in Eric Wickson the Air Ix Eric's. We're searching for a new band. Put together after they left the band them, which was the band van? Morrison was in before going Solo. Oh, I do not know that. After seeing an orphanage show an evening. They were so impressed with Brian and slightly less so with Phil all fill the asked the to to start a band. Yeah, Phil was still having some stagefright issues Mike at this point. Like how long has it been? No, it's been a while, but like he's Ryan. They're getting real stained with it, yeah! But they're God smacking it. He's trying to. This is not Papa Roach in it Oh boy hoof, no sobriety. Phil did join a band with the Eric's but they had conditions. I they wanted Phil to sing and play Bass. fucking really guy come on why they also wanted to perform some of Phil's original songs, okay, he played some of them for Eric Bell he was so impressed that he emphatically said yes. All right there we go. He's gotTA. Tell and got it all right. Thus the band was formed, but they still needed a name. On February Eighteenth nineteen seventy, the band officially announced their name thin lizzy. They got the name from comet called the Dandy that had a robot character named Tin Lizzy Own, which is also the nickname for Ford model, T car. Okay, the reason they became thin. lizzy instead of Tin Lizzy was because they were taking the piss out of Dubliners. Who would pronounce their teaches at as ts? So if you're a dubliner and you're saying their name, you're still saying ten lizzy. Instead of saying three say tree yeah yeah. It's Oh. I know it. Don't don't I fucking know it. Been Ireland. Plenty of times spent plenty of time there and sometimes. When you go somewhere that you've been awhile, you pick up the dialects kind of fall back into it, and you start to pick up the the few little things like shirts grand. Who's your man there and you know it's? It's half four and that's if I've been there for a real long time. Like at three thirty buck I like when they say thirty three Turkish three. Wait, trees are time yeah. When I first got there the first time I was very confused. Yeah, true. Three. They told Time with trees. Yeah, but you know what. That's why Americans need to travel more. Yeah like that's not why but I would just like to throw it out there little PSA. fucking instead, send your kid college right away thrown in Europe for like among them to experience other cultures. 'cause like that's real fucking important. Yeah, it is God I learned a lot. The band played their first show on a Friday. The thirteenth in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy at a school hall in Dublin. Although their first manager recalls the ban, not being very nervous. Before the show, subsequent shows proved just how much fill suffered from stage fright. Oh, his nervousness prevented him from saying anything intelligible to the audience, fumbling words, and eventually evolved into just awkward, mumbling all their manager even had to write rehearse lines for him to say to the crowds. Has Really really bad. People didn't realize that Phil was like the leader of thin. lizzy. They thought it was Eric Bell because every time they would play. He would just kind of like shuffle off to the side and Eric do his thing. If. I'm Lucky Eric's just GONNA do this for A. Drink. And play the bass lease, a little sort little coke and everything will be fine. Yeah I mean to snort a little coke. Won't that help your your a little bit there? Yeah, because Dutch courage helped a lot as did copious amounts of drugs, such courage drinking. That's you know liquid courage I'd never heard. It referred to as Dutch courage yet Dutch courage is another word for lots of drunken. I never knew that I. Don't know where that came from, but yeah, that's what it's called. I learned something to Daria. Go that you'll learn things every day when you're talking about alcoholics. As Phil Stage presence got better. His drug habit got worse. The drugs may have been the only reason he was able to. Even beyond stage sounds legit, yeah. Thin lizzy self titled Debut. Album was released on April thirtieth nineteen, seventy-one by now they were signed to Decca records and Eric Ricksen had left the band to rejoin them capital T. Van has a great deal for me. I gotta go back to them. Oh. I I think van had left by now. Van Laugh. So the them is going to do so much better now. You tried. The album didn't do particularly well in the same went for their. Follow up, EP still DECA stuck with them and finance the release of their second album shades of blue orphanage. ooh! Critics weren't too kind to this album either claiming it sounded disjointed, which made sense because the ban was on pretty shaky ground at the time, their albums were busts, and Phil flirted with the idea of leaving to start a band with deep purples Ritchie Blackmore, and Ian Paice and there's deep purple which. Happens. That would have been an interesting Combo. Yes, he was really good friends with Ritchie Blackmore, oh, and like collaborated with him on random shit throughout. It's Ironic, then that in nineteen seventy two, the ban was asked to record an album of deep purple covers. They did so under the name Funky junction. Band. Ban that existed only for that recording. Okay, they didn't merely because they needed the money. Since music wasn't raking in the big bucks yet. That's legit. Yeah. They're looked changed at the end of Nineteen seventy-two when they landed a gig opening for the band, slade. If you don't know who slade. Sounds so familiar because slade is a very big influence on Devin, Townsend Oh. So you don't know who's. Slade is first of all big influence on Devin. Townsend, so that can give you a bit number one. Yeah, using why actually likes them? I don't really know slayed very well. Yeah please take a minute to do a google image search before continuing because wow, now I have so many questions about the way. This band looks yeah. The outfits alone. Let alone the haircuts in the really surprise hair. And he committed. He really never gave up on it. He never saw a bang that he didn't chop right off like banks. I don't know what to do with these are better. Off and it's like you could just let it grow. Up Shopping off. I don't know if they're British I just decided. They are British yes, there oh good. Feels like a weird Python skit at that point too, and I thought the same thing. I'm like the kind of look like the directly influence. Monty python like this is spinal tap. Maybe it's probably. have taken some influence from Yeah I. Don't know but Tim. lizzy definitely took influence from them in the ten lizzy thin. Lizzy took influence from them. especially when it came to the one guy that wore the top hat with the mirrors on it. These. Steam punk I don't know. Something was. But Phil really like the mirrors on his hat, so then fill put mirrors on his base. Oh, well that ended up being like his style for you blind the audience. Yes, cool great people love it everybody. The issue of the crowd wild did really all of those screens were actually. There is searing out of their skulls away. They thought it was really great, and the crowd really dug it. You hear all the screams today. I think they don't like the mirrors on your face now. That's not it. Goes Phil setting the place on fire with his mirrors again. It's fine. We'll pay for it. We're going to release. The boys are back in town and basically live off one. Yeah. Slade was at the top of their success at this point so thin lizzy opening for them was going to get them a lot of exposure. WHO THE FUCK IS SLAIN! Slade is one of those things that was really popular in Europe in England and we never heard about the way ever okay I'm like yeah, thin. lizzy. That's going to get them exposure. Who the fuck is slave? However I do believe slade was the original they originally did. Come unfilled the noise all that was now and then quiet riot. Covered okay. So Decca then decided to release the band's cover of a traditional Irish song called whiskey in the Jar Oh. Excuse me whiskey in the Giro. Thank you, James Field. These days. It's one of thin. lizzy is most popular recognizable songs. However at the time, the ban was pissed that decade even released it. They all hell. It didn't represent their sound at all. The sound was fine, but I could see out. Maybe they were like. Oh. We don't want to release the silly little traditional own. Yeah, but at the same time it kind of does have all of the elements of a classic thin Lizzy Song. Yeah it's Celtic for starters it has instances of the twin guitar harmonies that they became known for It's all about twinned guitar. Harmonies on that are fucking area. It's not even like the best song that they have has. But still like it has already example it's. It's a great example of a thin Lizzy Song I. Get it. It's like Kinda. Downtown bullets, not raucous or whatever, but they don't want that to be. Their single got to be with her eight. They don't. Creep I'm sorry from now on I will refer to a single the people like it's not really what I want to be. By radiohead. It's their radio. Heads Creed Yeah. Definitely originally PLU. That's song about the JAR whiskey boy. How the fucking whiskey in the jar son. It's better than a hair. The dogs version of it. I've never heard of. HEARD IT I don't know her. You. Hear the dog. Yes, okay. Yeah, no, they do! They do version of an. It's very traditional Blah but also like. I just don't like hair of the dog. ME I'm not gonNA fight you on that I get it. They're Irish, and everything but I just don't like them. Yeah, it's just a little too corny for me. Yeah if you take Celtic music and you go corny with hands. Paying Mahjong, doing it a bit serious more serious with the right amount of fun. Yeah, yeah, you can fucked it up, but they couldn't be mad for long because the song blew up, it reached number six in the UK and got them in appearance on top of the pulse. Our favorite top of the poll till the books myths, but once again their follow up album vagabonds of the Western world, which is probably one of the best album names I've ever heard in my life. Couldn't continue the momentum like their previous. It got a lot of airplane Ireland, but just couldn't make a splash anywhere else. even in England. Okay in England, but. Ireland was like their their bread and butter. Yeah. That carry gold butter. Man I miss I Miss Gluten. A, lot fall, don't talk about bread. There is a lot of frustration floating around at that time Eric Bell quit the band after a show in on New Year's Eve in one thousand, nine, hundred ninety three right in the middle of a tour Goddamn, and Eric, the Phil's friend and former skid row bandmate Gary Moore swooped in to finish the tour. Good job carry, but stayed with the band until nineteen th until April nineteen, seventy four after they had recorded their next album nightlife God damnit Gary Gary. Nightlife went the way of the rest of their albums, but honestly this album is pretty fucking tight and highly underrated. Yeah, this is a really good album. We get much deeper emotions from fills lyrics here. And some of the songs explore his childhood, his relationship with his mother, and his coming to terms with his blackness. There's an exploration of his roots in here that some criticize in a shut up and saying kind of way, those completely unjustified, but now should be celebrated. Oh, one hundred percent and. There's one song on the album. I think it's like still loving you still in love with you still in love with you. Thank you and I don't know who's singing with him awake. The do they do some good shit? Yeah, I'm definitely in other guy on that track, and they're singing and it's. That's a really beautiful song. Yeah, it's really well done I will. Circle back around to that Song Oh oh no! By the time. By the time, Nightlife was finished thin, lizzy had cycled through a few guitarists and settled on Brian Robertson and Scott. Gorham so now you've got to Brian's. Now there's to Brian's instead of to Eric, there's no. Eric's, but to Brian Eric's gone enter to Brian's to Ryan's into the ring to Eric's leave to right center. Brian had temper Brian. Downey had temporarily quit. Also all hang having been fed up with the music industry and the band cut soldier. He rejoined just in time to see nightlife. Go absolutely nowhere. Oh! Things started to change for thin lizzy in nineteen, seventy five after a high profile tour of the US opening for Bob. Seger and bachman-turner overdrive, who were riding high on the success of their song. You Ain't seen nothing yet. Had Been in any way unseen in thin yet, thank you. Just come out before. Every performance guys is our friends ten. lizzy and he ain't seen. Yet. They're like you're not just sing the song as guys I have a stutter. Fuck you know like Oh. We're real. Sorry, many sorry. Their next album fighting was released later that year, and finally a thin lizzy album gained some ground in the UK album charts, because fighting is a fucking great album and. The Song Fighting Oh, yeah, yeah, is coca it is. That's a fucking giant. Fighting. Like I'm fighting when they hear it. This was the album that thin. lizzy finally figured out there sound. UPTEMPO rock songs that highlighted twin guitar is mixed with Phil's poetic storytelling. In his lyric. They had another great tour opening for status quo, then immediately went into the studio to record their next album jailbreak, because it's the seventies and we can't stop. Can't style south album every year? Maybe two? Could be three if you really ambitious just like Spiderman with them come webs, going and going astern, another chance stop won't stop. feel the noise. Come on my spinner weds. Okay! Goodnight everybody. Though their tours were successful in the band was Kinda, coasting on moderate UK success their label at the time. Vertigo records was on their last straw with the bands. But they're doing well. Yeah, well just started doing kinda shake thin, lizzy, one more chance to deliver in the band finally did. Jailbreak was a fitting title as this was his breakout album. Did their those they were already decently known in the UK and had had two or three successful your US tours. They haven't had any popular singles charting albums there yet. That'll change when the song the boys are back in town was released, didn't it though? Yeah it did DAN INARA new donating. Now you have it in your head I've had a head all night. The boys back own. The song cracked the top twenty in the US thanks mostly to Dj's in Louisville Kentucky who played the shit out of the song until other stations started picking up on it because you're a fucking good, the song is. fucking song actually being hey, y'all here. How good this song is! If a real fucking jam isn't. y'All come back now. To K. W.. K Rock signing off going to show these. Sorry guys showed uses awful I got food poisoning show Miss. It was pretty bad. KNOCK KNOCKER! Civil excited for tape because we didn't know it existed. We thought it was just something. Rick and morty made it wasn't. It's real. Arable. They're awful. beat up Outta at shoney's basically just southern Denny's. Yeah which yeah, it's. Not Competent there was no Grand Slam. No Grand Slam. There was no grand slam on the menu, but you were doing a grand slam in the toilet later that night mostly with puking. Yeah well. It's not a grand slam. A grand who'll? Anyway let's keep. Okay this song's popularity was a complete surprise to the band who didn't even want to put the song on the album to begin with, so is their creep then. No No whiskey in the jar is definitely there cre-. Okay because they were fine with boys are back in town. They just weren't initially going to put it on the album oak, which is usually how it happens with breakout hits. Like, they don't think that's GONNA. Be The head right? Think no one's GonNa fucking like this song, and then everyone loves this fucking saw because they highly overestimate their audiences every time. Thank you. The album and compass everything thin. lizzy was about dipping into lyrical wells that Phil. Love so much cowboy. Song told the story of a lone cowboy wandering around the US painting, a romantic scene of a lonely man searching for Love Emerald is clearly about Ireland. And its battle, rich history and warriors was about the pitfalls of being rockstar addicted to drugs. Oh, this is the system. Do cuts here. Phil new firsthand what it was like being one of those junkie rockers by now he had a full blown heroin addiction compounded by coke and alcohol addictions. Addictions, did the heroin just kinda come along as another way to deal with having to be on stage? Yeah, it was pretty much one of those. I'M GONNA. Just get as high as I can without killing myself and then go on stage because I. Think Heroin gave him the confidence to be a different person on stage. It gave him the confidence to like be the macho man. The Macho Front. Man and you know the entertainer that he always wanted to be. I guess I don't know I. Always look a heroin. Is such a like? A spacey drug that I I always wonder how people have any grasp on reality when their high on heroin I think it depends on who is taking it. And what their intentions of taking it are you? Are you in Jackson? The needle asks was intended. Because you'd like me to help you perform on stage. Are you here because you want to take a napping? And you also want to dream of cats with twenty heads. Yes, which one is it? And I will help you with realize that dream but I mean heroin definitely helps. People become somebody else. Yeah, and maybe he wanted that Macho Dude. That's eight. The Times you're supposed to be Macho and be. Found that father figure, and and there was also just the rock and roll culture of course. Has that time like it was around? So why not do it? and. If it helps, you get on stage and do what you WanNa, do then you know all the better? Yeah, so? Yeah. He had his heroin addiction, coke and alcohol addictions, and this landed him in the hospital in June, nineteen, seventy six after contracting hepatitis from using a dirty need all. Oh I mean taking heroin is an safe, no or smarts, so. And he wasn't doing it smartly either. He was using dirty needles. Yeah, because I also feel like back then. We didn't like understand. Yeah, the correlation, yeah, dirty needles and Hep C.. Yeah, like maybe if somebody shoves that needle into their vein, you shouldn't just rip it out of their hands and shove it into. Your vein might not want to do that kind of gross. Yeah, so histon in the hospital end up ended up costing the band tour opening for Rainbow. which whatever. I'm just kidding. Well Rainbow at that point at that point was he was? Ritchie blackmore and Ronnie James Dio. Oh, I know. I! was just trying to make them feel better, actually K. like. Rainbow guys. It's fine. You guys are being green bow, who bounce right back. It's like a rainbow in the dark. My cat, it all makes sense. He spent a couple months in a Manchester hotel, recovering mid nineteen, seventy six. The downtime allowed Phil to write most of the songs that would appear on thin lizzy next album, johnny the Fox. After this release from the hospital, the ban went into the studio with John, alcock. Also produced jailbreak. Can't go home soda. Guys. Tension between the band members was rampant during the recording sessions, especially between Phil and Guitarist Brian Robertson Ryan come on other Brian Jesus everyone argued about the direction of the band and other Brian in particular was miffed when he wasn't credited with Co writing some songs. Okay, which is understandable legit the tension didn't stop there hard partying ways, however, if anything, it made it worse, Oh yeah like if you have to hang out with somebody that you're having beef with you know what's going to make that easier dog soon. After finding massive success around the world with jailbreak, Phil became a well-known hard partying rockstar. He could out party out. Drink out drug in out. Woman is anyone Oh, it was all downhill. Fell come on. For you, we were all rooting for you I. We have never talked to a guy like. Right like I, really was like all right. He's got the drugs, but he treated women. Great raw crap God. Damn it! His sexual exploits were well documented even when he was in relationships whether it was drugs, alcohol, or just his personality, he was extremely possessive of his girlfriend's. Even as he fucked his way around the world while they waited for him at home. I can't with that Shit Yeah. Fuck Yourself. He even got married in nineteen eighty. Two the mother of two children okay and continued to just fuck around on her, but it's fine because I'm a rock Straw. Is it though I? Don't think it is not. As long as if it's not an agreement between the of you that that is okay, right? It's not okay. Here's the thing if you're going to say I get to cheat then that person gets the she to. Like then you just have an open relationship. Yes, as should don't work, if only WANNA use gets to have your knickers in a twist. Nickerson a twisty. twisty. She got with steed, my knickers Ron. Glad the other night. Show angry. She's getting her knickers into twisty. Anyway So. Yeah Gail Barber Phil's girlfriend around this time and subject of the song still in love with you. Oh recalled basically being stalked by Phil's friends while he was away on tour so that he could keep tabs on what she was doing while he continuously cheated on her with various women. Phil come on Phil. I feel like if we just sat in a room with Phil for a couple of hours and try to explain to him why this is an okay. Maybe he would have gotten. Well I think he'd be more concerned about the fact that he doesn't have heroin or drugs of any kind. Can I get some heroin? No fill, no, you need. I can't listen unless I was just sweating and. Like maybe this isn't the best time to do this. We're GONNA. Leave you see here, yeah! Come back when you're better. Things came to a head in December nine, hundred, seventy six. When yet another us. Tour had to be canceled after Brian. Robertson broke his hand in a bar fight. Phil Woods pissed off and replaced Robertson on their next tour opening for Queen asking former guitarist Gary. Moore to fill in. As Drummer Guitarist Oh, although the Ryan other Brian Oh fuck other Brian Yeah. I'm already done with. I'm sorry. Laughed Robertson was never really fired. Put not asked back until halfway through recording the band's next album, bad reputation in nineteen seventy seven Even still he was treated as a guest on the album, not a full member of Kim musician right? Basically, that's basically what he was treated like. There was still tension between him and Phil even with the other band members as he wouldn't even socialize with them when he got into the studio. The album, which was produced by Tony Visconti. Collaborator of David Bowie was released in September nineteen seventy seven, but it's obvious from the cover image. That Brian Robertson still wasn't welcome. The cover featured a black and white photo of the band as a three piece sands, Robertson, who? Was Tony Scotti okay with this though. Tony Cannoli Visconti is no meets in the. Does. It wasn't the cover. The band originally wind either their usual covers were drawings created by artist Jim Fitzpatrick But in a hilarious mishap, Phil flew to the US to discuss the artwork at his at Jim's home in Madison, Connecticut but Phil instead flew to Madison Wisconsin. How you fuck that up I don't know Jackie. O No I, do know. Drugs, drugs drugs also. I you know what I'd probably the same way with I used to confuse Newcastle England was Newcastle Australia. They're very different places period. You know what I'm GonNa let that slide a drugs but be. Why are there two Madison's? They're probably looking at like because Ireland's just such a small country. They're like why the fuck are to Madison's. No this was in Madison. These are Madison No, no, no, but like. Irish person is like why. Why are there multiple Madison Yeah Okay that's. TR- trying to get Philip Pass here. That's all I'm saying I'm trying to give a pass. You know what drugs it's true. Drugs guys their minus drugs. With the deadline looming, they quickly grabbed an old photo and slapped it on the cover instead. And the album did really well reaching number four on the UK charts, and it spawned the hit. A hit with the song dancing in the moonlight. which is Jay Parentheses. It's caught me in its spotlight. They wanted to continue the success. They found working with Tony, Visconti, but since he wasn't available for a full album recording, he helped the band put together a quote, unquote live album. Oh i. put the word live in quotes because there's controversy about how live, the album actually is while the album live in dangerous features, songs played in front of a live audience, a lot of the songs were re dubbed in the studio to make them sound better. Okay Visconti says that seventy five percent of the songs were studio recordings with only the drums and audience being live. Oh, but the ban maintains that seventy five percent of songs were in D. Live with only some over dubbing here and there to clean up the sound. so. When you get a whole bunch of drug addicts into a studio together to record a sorta live album, whose memory are you supposed to trust? Probably the guy who's not high on drugs. There isn't one that's not high at all my God. That's the one you don't try interest anybody the truth somewhere in the middle I'm GonNa say somewhere like fifty fifty. Okay, yeah. Either way live and dangerous was a hit reaching number two on the UK charts with only the grease movie soundtrack, preventing it from hitting number one which fuck you really. See actual worst, it is reasonable, geared horrible races. The worst mass is the worst is now I is. Sucking worst no seriously fucking hate that movie. Hate the FUCKING MUSIC I hey! Hey and every single person on it. Yeah, pretty sure it needs to just burn. And just never show up. I'm telling you to people who were in Greece that. I like WHO I. Rizzo and resolves cool in the beauty school dropout. Frenchie Frenchie Allegra. Zone French, that's it. I liked Frenchie. She was one of the few that I liked. Yeah and then. Getting bits and pieces of it later in my life I'm like Nah Frenchies fucking annoying, okay as you can tell, Greece pisses us off and I'm really mad that they beat out Tin Lizzy. Yeah, sorry, not sorry, but I'm sorry. Greece can blow it. Considered one of the best live albums ever made. But it all fell by the wayside. Though is fills drug problem continued to get worse. Dammit Tony Visconti try to talk to fill about it as even Tony. Who is a massive drug addict? Too, was concerned. When you? When a massive drug addicts in your life are concerned about your drug taking me. Maybe you should listen to them choices. Fills. Response was basically I've been doing this since. I was a kid, so I can handle it. After that Tony refused to work with van ever again. Tony V.'s druggy. Tony Tony Tony problems between Phil and other Brian finally came to a head, Gary Moore once again swooped in to save the day permanently, replacing other Brian when he left the band for good in mid Nineteen, seventy eight. Got It was a turning point for the band. This was nineteen, seventy eight punk was taking over replacing old man rock and roll the sex pistols were taking the UK by Storm, and people were starting to view blues infused rock bands as Old News and Phil was acutely aware of this shift, and didn't want to be shoved aside, so he made a calculated decision to get in with the punk scene. Scene before they could shove him out of the way interesting. So, how did he do this? How did he do this drugs oh? Yeah, if there is one commonality between rock bands and punk bands, it was drugs Phil became good friends with SID vicious Steve. Jones and Paul Cook of the sex pistols. Oh, he also became close friends with Bob Geldof who, at this time was leading the boomtown rats. Some members of the three bands even started a side project called the greedy bastards. Solidifying fills cred in the realm of punk. Okay, 'cause. They're probably like this GRANDPA's pretty cool. Even though he's like I'm thirty, and they're like thanks GRANDPA even seventy eight. He was like twenty eight. Twenty Nine Twenty, eight, twenty nine, because he was born forty nine like twenty nine ish. He's not even thirty and they're like this GRANDPA. Thanks GRANDPA. Who grants could you imagine when you were twenty nine someone calling you grandma, but weren't the sex pistols around the same age ish. Yeah, but I feel like they would call him GRANDPA probably. Thinks GRANDPA told this. has all of the heroine contacts so shut the fuck up GRANDPA heroin. Thank you. But. This dabbling in punked did nothing to quell fills drug use during the recording. I feel like it. Pry Make It whirl. Yeah okay. Because now, we had friends to do heroin. I mean he still did heroin with some of his bandmates. We now have more friends do it with so many friends to heroin with now during the recording of thin lizzy next album black rose a rock legend drugs were where fill in the band were so reliant on it that they could not even perform if they weren't fucked up. That's what I'm saying like. Eventually with heroin, it comes back and bites you in the ASS. Yeah, you become that. Alter Ego that heroin house you to exude. You don't actually know what's going on our either at all. Yeah, no! It was all too much for Gary Moore, who, after playing a show in California on the fourth of July quit the band for good too many fireworks. It's spooked him about. It's like a little puppy calling like fireworks and behind the bed. They found him in the bathtub and he's also so strung out on heroin. Mostly blaming the hair on that I don't know if Gary Moore did heroin, but I'm sure he at least drank a fuck ton, yeah! He's fucked up enough. Yeah, once again. The band cycled through temporary guitarist to fill Gary's place finally settling on snowy white. In one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty. Okay! Sure sure why not? The band's next album Chinatown was released later that year to continued success. They're song killer on the loose reached the top ten in the UK, although it was met with a whole lot of criticism at the time serial killer Peter. sutcliffe known as the Yorkshire ripper. Wreaking havoc on England and the song was a bit too on the nose. Upset this was when the band started falling apart. This is when the band survival this is when. This is when even fill started falling apart. God escalating drug problems were ravaging the band especially. Fill both Brian Downey and Scott Gorham had to leave thin. Lizzy European tour because of health issues brought on by drug use Jeez snowy white left in nineteen, eighty-two fed up with Phil's constant reliance on heroin. The band even lost their manager to fed up with their bullshit reeling them in despite all this, they pulled their shit together enough to record another album, thunder and lightning, which would be their last studio album. They embarked on their last tour in nineteen, ninety three though Phil was adamant that it wouldn't be their last, but Scott for his part was over it. All part of that was because of a difficult tour in Japan where the heroin addicted band members couldn't get their hands on it. Playing shows was complete. Hell if you were suffering from withdrawal. Yeah Oh God. Yeah, if you go to a country, you haven't been to before. You don't have those contacts that can get you heroin and honestly Japan is one of those countries that is so anti-drug. Yeah, very difficult to get drugs especially without having a connect yen, Japan is that country that bands of this era that are really into drugs have a really hard time going to always have shit tour there because they don't have contacts and can't get their drugs right because. Because everything is I I WANNA say a lot of it's connected through the ACCUSA, and that's why it's so taboo, and it's also illegal. I mean like pugh like life sentences for that Shit. I can imagine like Japan here about our drummer about drugs. Yeah, in Japan! Thin Lizzy, last concert ever was at the monsters of rock show on September, Fourth Nineteen, eighty-three, well shit fill immediately continued with his solo career, taking care to continue his heroin use as much as possible. Ex Thin lizzy band members played with Phil on his future Solo efforts in contributed to his new band grand, slam, which came out at the end of nineteen eighty-three Zely. He's playing for Denny's. Maybe the denny soundtrack maybe better than shoney's again Jeff. Album better than chatterly showed me. Dedicated to those two deejays in Louisville, Kentucky Who didn't give up on us. Thanks guys seeing skies. Grand. Slam toured extensively in audiences. Love them, but record labels did not want to bite because they were well aware of fills drug and alcohol. Abuse a lot of critics labeled the band, poor man's version of thin lizzy woes labels didn't see the value in signing them. That's fucked up. Yeah, but I think that it I get it, but also if they're getting the fan base, and why not? Fans of the money. Yeah, but again even within lizzy like they had the audience, but they didn't really have the sales so nineteen eighties. Everyone is about album sales. They WanNa make the money on the album. Album isn't going to sell immediately then. I can see why they wouldn't want to sign them. Yeah of consumerism ever became a thing. It would definitely have been in the eighties yeah never. You Right. Grand Slam broke up in nineteen. eighty-four and Phil continued to record music, collaborating with his old band, mates and friends, including Huey Lewis and the news. Oh, he was good friends with Huey Lewis for a long time. What? He's a good guy he is. He's wearing a guy that means he's officially a good guy. Because even heroin. Huey Lewis is like now. This is a no, no, yeah. This is love and I'm going to just say so. Nothing was ever officially released except for two singles. The first in the fields was a hit for fill in nineteen eighty-five, the second single was called nineteen, and was released towards the end of one, thousand, nine, hundred five. The success of nineteen. Fill the opportunity to be back in the spotlight. He performed the song on various television shows and gave a number of interviews where he expressed optimism about the future. This downtime was allowing him to spend more time with his family and take some deep dives into Celtic music which he seemed eager to do, but all the optimism in the world can't compete with drug abuse, and his optimism about a future with his family and music was just a dream by now Phil was living in queue outside of London himself. He long ago sent his wife Caroline who he married in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty. And their two daughters to live in Ireland for the specific purpose of being able to cheat on her without her, knowing Oh although I'm sure she fucking oh no girl new yeah. The days of thin Lizzy, the biggest band in the UK were long behind him in his dependence on heroin was completely out of control. The years and years of drug and alcohol abuse up to him on Christmas, day one thousand, nine, hundred five, when he collapsed at his home near London. Philomena Phil's mother found him unconscious. She had no idea he even had a drug problem. Wow, I. Don't know how. He managed to keep that from her, but wow, yeah, but Phil's wife Caroline did know in quickly transported him to a drug clinic. The issue was too troublesome for the clinic to handle, so he was brought to a hospital where he was diagnosed with sepsis. Eleven days after he I collapsed on January fourth, nineteen, eighty six. Phil passed away from heart failure and Brought on by Sepsis Oh, my God he was only thirty six years old, and left behind two young daughters, Sarah, and Kathleen Oh my God. Yeah, that is a fucking horrible horrible way to go. That's so sad. That's how old we are. Yeah, so he would have passed away after all that time after everything he did after trying so hard within lizzy. And trying so hard after that to have a solo career in lake, just not having a go anywhere. He died basically by himself in his in his place in London, yeah, was he just in a coma? After that? Yeah, he was just unconscious. He like woke up from his coma wants to talk to his mom and then fell back into it. I mean at least. least you out to talk to her one more time. Yeah, still yeah, and since he has passed away the various other members of thin lizzy have come together time after time to like do tributes to him in play reunion shows and all that stuff. Philomina has also tried really hard to keep his memory alive, and fairly recently they put up a statue of fill in. Dublin, and she was there, too, for the dedication and everything. Oh Shit now I feel bad that I didn't search that out when I was in Dublin in August yeah. Now I know for the next time I. Go to look for that now. You know how that's. Damn. That's sad because i. feel like it's so unnecessary, and so it sucks that his heroin addiction happened at all. Let alone happened at a time when people were not as understanding of how bad it is, yeah and understanding of how it can totally devastate your life. Yeah, and honestly sex pistols kind of glamorized it. One hundred percent and I think. I'm sorry like a lot of the seventies and eighties. Artists Yeah made heroin cool because they didn't understand yeah and I think Phil had this. Just deep seated need to be accepted of course people Maybe it was because he was somewhat abandoned by both of his parents when he like a kid. Maybe it was because he was the only black boy that was growing up in his school in Dublin. Something like that, but he just had such a deep seated need for acceptance that I think heroin was so pervasive and so accepted in his circle of friends yet. He did it to be accepted I. think that's why he got in with. The punk is to. Heroin and access to heroin made him a friend and made him accepted. Yeah, he's punk is when he wasn't a punk guy at all like you said it gave him the courage, it gay him. This self esteem boost that I'm sure. If. You are treated like an outcast in your kid. When you get older, it's really hard to go up on stage and pretend like everyone's not looking at you. Judging harshly in that could have been part of stage fright to yeah, that's kind of what I'm wondering because it sounds like he's trying it for years and years without the link price weeds alcohol. Maybe some speed yet, but it didn't work. That the to have to go to heroin like you have some deep seated self esteem issues. It's he's. He did as as self assured and. Almost hockey as he was in real life I think. That was just a front for how he was really on the inside I. Think he always wanted to be? That's. Macho hero that the hero from the comic books or like you know the lone ranger in cowboy song. He always wanted to be the very quintessential dude, and that's probably why he was a womanizer to. Act of conquering was something that he really wanted an honestly back then. If you were a quote, unquote man's man like you. Woman Yeah, and it's disgusting and I'm really glad working out of that as well You Know I. Definitely think that there is a lot of yes a toxic masculinity. Yeah, and he had a lot of difference. Sh- lot of different things going on. That he was trying to fix with heroin and heroin was not the answer. Heroin ended up killing him in the end. Truthfully, yeah, just like it killed most people who start in the sixties and seventies with heroin, and they're like I can do this and it's like nick. Can't you can't though just because you've been doing this since you were sixteen? Doesn't mean you have control over it. It actually just means that it's head control over you for that long. Yeah, which is sad and it sucks and. Unfortunately. You never got to know what your life was like outside of that exactly so and it's interesting to just to know feeling outs. Feeling is an outsider. Yeah, kind of like back to our tricky episode where he didn't know where he belonged because he's from a black family, a white family right and you don't know where you belong, and it'd probably be even more so with someplace in Ireland where we are two ton of people of Color. Yeah, so it's hard to find where you really go, but that's shouldn't even really fucking matter. Shut it! It shouldn't like I'm saying this petition fucking matter like it's. Yes color is real in exists, but it should exist. Justin like I don't know an identifier. Not as like league, and not as a personality thing, not as A. Like it shouldn't make you a different person. Yeah, you know I. It just goes back like everything that's been going on recently. It's just. They never asked to come to any of our countries, guys. True systemic racism this shit's Pinho long time coming. Yeah, and also native Americans never asked for their land to be taken over pillaged, or their people raped no. Yeah Yeah here we are. Moral, stories sit down white people. fucked out if any. Heroin Yeah Yeah, can we not do that? We stopped with the heroin. Yeah, that'd be great i. mean we went for a long time without talking about it, but we are back at zero. We are back at zero. Did you heroin. Don't be a racist fuck. Yeah, that two guys. There's just so many lessons from here, but and obey classes, faulk and like just. God dammit I. Hate Everything and you know what. I hate everything right now, but also speak up for your fellow. POC's and donate to black led organizations and bail reform and black lives, matter and also let's eat the rich. Can we do that? The Red I am down for Good Ole just cannibalistic dinner I know I'm like on PESCA -Tarian nine. Bridges I eat some rich bitches though I break that ship ransom, rich tease fucking good, let's the classism the racism and sexism. Let's do it twenty twenty Hashtag. We over it though yeah. Thanks for listening to her story, guys shake enough with Jennifer Lopez. Guys like Jennifer Lopez. We've had enough you right though. Yeah, so we hope you guys like Susie. We hope you guys know more about the band, but a specifically fell. Who is then lizzy? Yeah, and ten lizzy and despite? His unfortunate heroin addiction. He deserves so much respect and. Everyone needs to keep putting him on fucking lists. Yeah, put put them on all the best ever Lis- ever he really doesn't get the respect now. He's an amazing lyricist. He's a great singer. He also released two books of poetry. By the way he is in actual poet. Yeah I should actually grab one of those. They're very good. His lyrics are amazingly poetic, and that's basically. His books of poetry are just tons and tons of lyrics they. He wrote over the years. You know what like to just make it. Shouldn't to fucking make him a person, but here we are. He was a nerd. He was an artist. Yeah, he was a musician like he a person who had like emotions and feelings. He's not different because the fucking color of skin and the great thing is that he certainly was not perfect. No, he wasn't, but he never said he was either. Yeah, yeah, I think. He knew full well that he was not a perfect person. I'd like to think that if he didn't do the drugs. Maybe he wouldn't have been a crazy possessive boyfriend. LET'S HOPE SO I! Mean as far as I know. He didn't hurt anybody he. Says he? He didn't hurt anybody. He was just stupidly possessive. also don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Today no WanNa do that because you know, you can go to jail for shit like that. Sins, creepy you don't you don't do that, you want get pussy just just a nice person yeah. But yeah. That's that's the story. Spin. It's been a time, guys and just. Let's try to do our best to support our people of Color. To celebrate them and. Be there. Just help help. However they end to help. 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Rock Candy Ep. 108: Selena- Young And Fun Adults

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:26:26 hr | 7 months ago

Rock Candy Ep. 108: Selena- Young And Fun Adults

"Nice can be thankful terms. Who is it I think so? Is it a Tantrum me? We both for the last twenty minutes have been throwing like little tantrum really. I've literally just been throwing thank. You have been throwing things like in my general direction. I didn't do nothing to you know you. Can you do you do you. I don't want hired. I'm so like I am literally too old for everything we did last guys. We had a really really good night last night. Despite our mini tantrums. Yeah we saw Devin. Townsend finally drove three hours to Boston to see Devin Townsend and then three hours home and it was worth every. Sex is really a second and I had banked which turns out thirty six. He didn't do that should do that. You can't do that Roe tiff. Tiff don't head Bang. Pass thirty five especially if you have a bad neck. Which is why I was stick straight whole time. You Victim Tim. Bobby Bobby Booby. Geico's ooh Gary for a lot of poorly pronounced. Oh another language. Actually this will not be as bad as the Ramstein episode. I will promise you guys not for you. I don't know I did not take Spanish at all. I don't know any Spanish. I took German when I was in high school and college. So that's why I was. Okay with Rob Steiner. And I'm going to be okay this one little role reversal early. I'd see I took Spanish throughout high school in college as you should have. Because you know that makes sense. It was useful. It's very useful. German is not so useful. Good enough I like it. I like it. I had a good time. It was great and I think everyone all my teachers they create Sherman lessons. Your weekly podcast bringing yes sweet treats from the world of music and this week we are kick it off women's History Month. Yes we are lady. She is a lady Rope each of a woman and yeah a lot of people kind of know. The story also gone too soon. Aw LITERALLY WAY TOO SOON. Way Too fucking too soon but also really good movie about her life so we will have a good move and we will talk about much later. Yes won't we won't get into that tonight. We were talking about Selena. Anything for selena seriously. Anything SELENA EVEN SALINA SALINA. Anything for SELENA. Yes I'm very excited. I really wanted to do her story. And I totally forgot about women's history month and it was like. Oh yeah this should do Selena especially because Netflix does have a show coming out about her soon to all they do like a true crime show or just like documentary kind of thing no document and none of the above drum it's dramatization okay. Other life okay. Yeah it looks really good The casting looks pretty on point. And I'm sure the families have evolved. Because I'll say this front. Most anything official Selena family is heavily involved. Do not want a false narrative being said about her on totally understandable Who's playing Selena? I forgot her name because I'm a bad person like you haven't had like a full out trailer yet. Just had like the actress getting ready to. She looks great though good for her. Sure it'll be good. There's a young Selena cash. She looks really good. I very excited about it. I Will binge-watch the shit out of that. I will watch it one hundred percent not is something. I Will Actually Watch 'cause I'm really bad at watching my streaming shows bad at it. I'm I'm at the point. Where like if I turn on Netflix. And there's nothing on that first initial screen that I wanNA watch you. Just go to do just staring into the abyss. Say Fuck it. I'm watching PBS. I don't care if it's Bob Ross. For the five millionth time Bob. Ross Bob Roth both wrath. Uk everything they put it on with you to dilate my pupils like a few months ago. It's a really good show to put on when you have. Dilated pupil was just a dark room with a lovely. Did he have his squirrels with him? Not In those. Oh Yeah. Those squirrels are adorable. I love those Wannabe Bob Ross. God bless Bob Ross. God bless Bob. Ross all right. That's the Bob. Ross beer okay so for tonight show. Funny enough. I bought a beer. Then as she brought some beers over for funsies could use that for tonight. Who use that when you brought over instead of me walking around Oliver's for our trying to figure because it was really hard to find a beer 'cause I figured okay Selena so anything that's talking about like or heart or dreams right remaining or sawn hung in Spanish maybe and Or Moon Salita is Latin for new moon. Okay cool I'll bring that up again. I couldn't find anything that was going to work for that. Which except for. I mean this so what I ended up getting. I think is still kind of works because then I forgot about flour uh-huh so I have from decadent ails passiflora which is imagined passion flower. I I don't know they're from Long Island so like I don't know this care. They get a lot of excuses excuses. And it's it's fine. It's it's Pacific version of their multiflora DIPA. Utilizing blend of New Zealand hops. All that's probably it tastes different. I don't know I don't particularly care a little. It's not my favorite but I don't like yeah. That's yeah take this with a grain of salt. We don't lie as it. Produces notes of Glava citrus than passion fruit. I think that's made it more palatable to me. Yeah I think if we didn't have another second choice coming up that we really but I'd rather drink aniston been fine with. Yeah I do not finish it. I'm sorry decadent I've had. I've had some of their shit. That's been really really good this one. I'm I'm just not into they're also IP as your disadvantage but one a passiflora because Komo floor. What Song Komo? Okay Man. I totally faceted guys in the English. Version is just meows. But that's a fucking solid. Jam Is Very Important to sling his career. So I thought this would work for that but then you fucking swipe on in here with Grim Moon Dreams oatmeal stout and I was like as Moan and dreams that you son of a bitch and I was just like Um we could just use it for funsies and you're like no. I mean we can do both Uber. Tasty. This is the first step. I'm having good. I like it a lot. It's good is a very tasty oatmeal stout so I would highly suggest picking that up for sure if you like. Ip as I think that the pass floor is very good. Yeah if you like. Ip as you'd probably a taste for. Yeah I don't like IPA's yeah. I don't if a Abo- around so we can target the yeah. The tart ones are hippos. Are Fine depots can go fuck themselves? Yeah agreed tip is fine yes I mean. These are our beer's for this evening. It's funny that you couldn't really even find one. And then in the end we ended up with two really work. There were a couple. I was looking at a lot. I could like bullshit mostly getting to the point where I'd rather just talk about our satellite. And you're lucky if the beer doesn't really match up or if I'm bullshitting it at this point we've been doing this for how long over two years and We have had a thematic beer for pretty much every single episode so over one hundred episodes guys we have managed to find or bullshit thematic. Beer somehow someway. We've managed to do it. I think we deserve a bit of a break this year. Fucking slag yeah. You're slowly going to stop giving a shit because we are so sick of drinking. Ipa's signficance ire of it. I don't know if you listen every episode that we're sick of IPA's but we're we've lost our contact. I am slightly up to here with a high level because audio is not a great medium. Just fucking here line. That's how far I am with the as I guess. She does not have a five finger. Foreheads so it's quick. It's a quick rise. I don't have a giant forehead. No you don't you. You've been lovely forehead. Thank you your first symmetrical good for bangs good for banks. So I guess with all of that ranting and raving. I'M GONNA get into the story of Selena because it is actually going to be a bit longer than I expect. Oh I thought it'd be quick. We'll shit I am going to say up front. I'm trying really hard not to talk too much about the true crime element because it hit me so hard to tell you a fucking heart is to look up her story and it's not just inundated with people will be like. Oh my God. She was murdered by her best friend. And yes I'm not going to deny that is interesting story in an interesting fact but her life is super interesting but it's so much more than just her death so much like her life is amazing that death is. I think only amazing because her life was so fantastic. Yeah and the fact that she when she was gone is a fucking shame. Yeah and she had so much potential to be one of the first a Mexican musicians who sings in Spanish to break into the English speakers. There's use it. There is a lot. I'm going to tell you a lot about how that statements not factual. Oh really yes. Oh yes so. I'm going to educate people because I feel like everybody knows. She was killed by her manager. Slasher quote best friend. Whatever but yeah her life is really interesting and also the story. I think is pretty timely. Even right now I mean we are having some interesting opinions coming out about our neighbors to the South. Some political issues. Yeah and this is not a political podcasts around. Some generalizations stereotypes that are not. Yeah and this. I hope my open people's minds a little bit cool so let me get into it. Okay Mary. This woman. Cross borders both physical and metaphorical she mixed cultures and genres of music. And in the end she would be a legend for anyone. To admire slim became more than a singer. She became an icon especially to the Mexican American population. She was living proof. That if you work hard and keep drawing me dreaming you could succeed. We all know how the story ends. We tragically lose her just as her light was about to shine. It's brightest and unfortunately it seems that's all most people focus on The crazy story of how she is betrayed by someone. She considered best friend. Know my God I gotTa fessing story. But that's not her story. Yeah this isn't a true crime podcast. Were not really GONNA go too much into it quite frankly I wanna do better by Selena. I WanNa tell you. Her story celebrate her life. This positive vibrant and talented woman. We deserve to give her so much. More praise yes so before I get into things. Let me lay down some background because to understand SELENA SIGNIFICANCE. I need to explain to you to handle music and get into the specifics of a little band called Los Dinos Sue tejano is the Spanish word for Texan and it was for this genre of music that is very distinct of the Mexican American culture populated in central and southern Texas. Okay so this is very centralized to a specific area in the United States. Right because as I'm assuming most people now the south of Texas is very much like mixed of Mexican American guys. It used to be Mexico. What Yeah Texas. What used to be Mexico? Yeah always Texas always mirka steers and queers. It's always been steers and queers in southern Texas. I've never been to text either. No no disrespect to Texans. I've heard actually that you've got some beautiful parts of that state just some of the best. I Got Secondary Now. Texas is God's magnet I'm God smacking the roots of Tejano span through many different genres from Mariachi to Polka to the walt to jazz and even later some elements of rock in the eighteen hundreds many Europeans mainly from Germany. Poland and Czech Republic had migrated to Mexico in South Texas really. Well what's now known as like the split between Mexicans Texas history right so the goal over there but they were forced out of Mexico during the Mexican Revolution of the early. Nineteen hundreds mostly. They ended up just like kind of Maine staying in Texas. The America's the America part. I'm not good at history and I'm really bad at geography. I'm going to tell you about music. Okay any of this shit this shit. This is very important and it was there that their musical influence was combined with the Toronto's was after World War Two that the popularity of two Music really began to grow in music. Companies began signing in marketing. These acts it's kind of A. It's like a very strange bedfellows. Kind of situation like you would not expect a German POLKA influence with Mexican music at all but I could still also kind of see it but it kind of makes sense because you get these accordions right and like leaves willing to beat the both kind of have that EMPA- Yes. Yeah they have that lively. Yeah that Bobby you can snap your fingers to it and bop up and down. Yeah yeah this week sense will be too. It's fine it totally works. And with this exposure the genre continued to expand influencing the textile the fifties and the Chicano wave of the sixties. It all culminated to what one would imagine when you hear the phrase Hano music men and flashy outfits sometimes cowboy hats sometimes yes sequence. They got Qatar Accordion drums with touch keyboard and like that real charismatic lead singer and they're shouting and yelling and everybody's having a very charismatic. Yes it's very lively everybody's got to get up and dance and everybody's smiling. It's really bright. Fund music yes. Abraham Quintanilla was born and raised in Corpus Christi Texas A place retain. No music ruled the airwaves. However that really wasn't his jam he was much more interested in the pop vocal quartets of the fifties like groups of the forces and the militants brothers very do op harmonizing. Okay kind of in the same vein as like temptations and stuff like that okay. After graduating high school he ran into some fellow alumni. Who had started a vocal ensemble much in this vein called Los? Dinos when they told Abraham they were losing one of their members he jumped at the chance to join thusly becoming the new third voice. They were getting booked. Small Gigs here. And they're making about thirty dollars a show. They began to record their music as well. From originals to covers of popular songs by various classic do op groups. I didn't know that Selena's father was a musician. Oh he was though very much he loved it however despite mild success they still struggled to get all that many chances to perform and they knew this was. No one. Lucky coincidence. Don't know if you guys heard of this. Little thing called racism but it was rampant in the sixties even with Mexican Americans. Yes Yup Magin that that's crazy somewhat book lows dino's thinking they were Italian and then discovering that they were Mexican American what to them just meant Mexican. What part of Los Dinos made you think that they were Italian? Maybe they thought they spell the word the wrong and they spelled the word the logos and they thought it was a the. Dino's hey no no one meets in the Dino Mississippi kick goes Dino's into pastas. Yeah I mean maybe they just thought it was like an Italian Dino. That was an inside joke guys. I'm really sorry I'm not either way. They would be turned away from the venue so the boys decided to try their luck at clubs with Mexican crowd. 'cause like they'd accept their own right. You would think you would. I have a feeling it's not right. You've got that feeling your feelings right at these cantinas. People wanted to dance and they couldn't do that to these slow sweet crooners that were so popular with the English speakers so they get booed off. Stage is a club. The crowd gets a little aggressive and it got so bad one time that the police had to escort them out of the the entire vicinity. Well that's bullshit. Yeah so white. People didn't like them for being Mexican. Mexicans didn't like them for playing white music so they made a decision to go where they felt they would most belong and from their Los Dinos would begin to play tejano music okay. Abraham took a little break just for a bit when he was drafted into the military. Oh he was stationed near Tacoma Washington. Was this like during Vietnam. I think it was right before. Because as early sixties career nope Korean. Moore's fifties I think this is that little break between so just as we were ramp to start the Vietnam War. I believe so again I suck at history guys even though I always usually passed it with flying colors. I think it's interesting but my memory sucks. Well you memorize it enough for a test and then you immediately forget it like everything we ever learned in school in college right. Yeah Yeah what was here? That he met his wife Marcella. Samora who he married in June nineteen sixty three and by December sixty three. She gave birth to their first child. Abraham Isaac the third but instead they just call him aby. Oh that's cute. Yeah soon after the birth of their first child the Quintanilla family moved back to Corpus Christi. And Abraham joined Los dinos once again for a few years. They continued performing and began releasing full albums on Falcon records their songs were gaining popularity through heavy airplay. But sometimes you have to stop and see. A pumping of the brakes may be an order by nineteen sixty seven. Their music was losing traction but more importantly Abraham family to think of a growing one that welcome welcome to the birth of his daughter. She's at So by nineteen. Sixty-nine Abraham left Los Dinos who did continue on without him until the officially dissolved in nineteen. Seventy four. I'm interested to know how Abraham managed to dodge going to Vietnam. He was in the military. And then yeah. Don't really just happened. So how did he get out of it? What's going on Abraham? Maybe he hurt himself real bad. Maybe maybe I don't know bone Spurs. He had bone Spurs. Everybody had bone spurs bone. I I don't but if there's a draft I will remember that gets you out. Abraham move the wife and kids to Lake Jackson Texas where he got a good job. Working for Dow Chemical Family was what came before all else for the Quintanilla family in little did Abraham and Marcella realize that they were far from the end of their lives in the music Biz. No on April Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-one. They saw the birth of their third and final child. Salina Salina but everything about her birth was a surprise. After surprise after surprise First of all Marcella was initially told that she had a tumor that had to be removed. They didn't turn out to be Selena the dock. They went to get a second opinion in the doctor. So this is a tumor with legs. So no it's not a to mom. Ovalles God what kind of Doctor I was like. You have a tumor. And it's a fucking baby a bad a bad doctor. You have a tumor in your uterus. It's something that's growing inside of their zero. Possibly BE HUMOR. Fucking idiot yeah. I can't believe that she was told she was going to have a little boy. So I mean even the second doctor I I. You're having a tumor. Congratulations deletions your tumor. Board soon. And then then you get told. No it's not a girls support and then surprise trill girl. Well yes so. They had a nave settled. Dial for boys. Are You surprised? Your boy has a vagina? No it's the girl if it was surprise. Your boys a girl. And has a tumor. It's not a touma. It's not. The tumor had a boy's name all picked out call Mark Anthony but then they ended up having a girl or are you just thinking like if a tumor named Mark Anthony now. No now. I'm just thinking you know Mark Anthony was supposed to be born to somebody else. I know I thought that's wrong. No it wasn't time so they ended up having a girl obviously obviously they had no name picked out and when her roomie in the hospital suggests the name Selena which is Latin for moon. They really liked it and said Yeah I work. I mean it's a really nice names will pretty pretty. The surprises didn't stop birth though she was only around the Mir age of six that Abraham discovered the natural talent lying dormant in the voice of his youngest child see he can never really give up his dream of music not completely. He knew he needed to support his family but maybe he could carry on through his children such a stage dad. I'll say nine times out of ten. A bad fucking idea do it. Don't force your kids into stardom to shooting got it. Yeah however the Quintanilla family exception to the rule it started with. Ab One of Abraham's friends game bass guitar in an amp so it kinda seemed a perfect opportunity to have some quality time with his son teaching him to play and they would do lessons and lowering the base and Abraham we playing guitar it was really sweet and many times I would just sit in and listen and one day. She began to sing along. Abraham couldn't believe what he was hearing his daughters pitch and timing were perfect He didn't have to work too hard to teach her what to do. It was just an instinct that came. Naturally it wasn't long after this discovery the crazy little idea popped into their father's head start a band with the kids clothes. Leena Ellis Dino's play music. Keep the kids off the street and out of trouble Prophet Lou. This where the kids at least I assume. That's how was brainwork. Yeah I think he had good intention strategy but also prophet. Yeah they needed a drummer. And Suzanne needed a role to play in the group so illogically she got set down at the driver kit and at first she was role resistant. She cried and said that there aren't any girls rumors so this is really dumb. And she didn't want to do it. But you could be the furs right. That's the eleven. You're not thinking like that. You're just yeah. But there are. No girl tremors. Why are you making me do this? I just want to go ride. My bike. Just won't play. Lovable rollerblade whooping you do it once. Intendo you do it. I don't know this is like the late seventies so I wanNA play Atari go. Atari works better but grudgingly the kids got in line and played their parts in music was a fun hobby. They were forced to practice every day when they would much prefer running outside. Yeah they did it as a young kid would. There's still kids. I don't WanNa go play outside play for an hour. And sometimes they were trying to just played rock music not a play my old boring man music. You imagine like your dad just forcing you to play his old man music. When you're a kid then you just want to fucking play outside and then groping like your old man. Old Man is actually pretty cool. Yeah actually now. I kind of wish you did to me. Mom and Dad Yeah Selena eels dinos were getting good playing it. Small get togethers for friends and family so good. That Abraham thought they deserved a home base to play at every day. And so with the help of a few friends investing. He opened up the first Mexican restaurant in Lake Jackson. Called public in Nineteen eighty-one. Wow Selena LSD. Knows were set up to cater to a mostly white audience Singing classics like over the Rainbow or current jams. Like super tramps. The logical song. Just to show you how talented they were though even as kids. I found this clip. We get to hear things. Wow she's like nine or ten yeah and she she singing like she's a you know thirty year old. Yeah she has like perfect composure. Yeah pitches right on it. Like she's Damn you'd be kidding course. Owed make all the other girls back while she's getting the Solo. Oh She's getting all the leads in the school musicals. Oh yes. She's that girl. I mean that's not her fault. Choose born of that but I mean like you know she was general pants. She didn't need to be in school musicals. She perform literally every night at bars. And Your Dad could go to and she was not legally allowed to be in right so this is a family restaurant. The restaurant yeah and she was she was legally allowed to be there when I was watching. One of the Just I guess interviews with her sister. She said sometimes it's really embarrassing because they'd be playing in their friends from school. It'd be at the restaurant eating with their parents plan the trip like I would. That's cool. I would think you're the coolest fucking person but when you're lake eight or nine ten or whatever then you're kind of like the fucking sucks. My parents are making me. Do WanNa yeah you do it but looking back on it when you're thirty six it's like I would fucking love that if I know I would have. I would have hated it if I were ten or eleven. Yeah probably so she's like people are GonNa see me. Yeah we gon Mom GonNa see me. No it's me and my fellow me because kids are garbage. Yeah they are turns out but I didn't mention this either. Initially Abraham was just running behind the scenes However he did eventually quit his job at Dow Chemical Two fulltime on the The the restaurant. Yeah Okay so. This was like their sole bread and butter was fulltime. Shit is full-time. Shit to run the band. Run the restaurant. They're like yes. All right yeah things. Were going great. Until have you heard of Reaganomics? I don't plan on going into any history lessons here. Let Me Guess. They got trickled on a good night. Everybody did they. Tr- did Reagan trickle on them. Oh no no no but I will say the early eighties weren't great on our economy. No they were. Not Small. Businesses suffered greatly during the recession only a year after it open papa. Guy was forced to close it stores and the Clinton is bankruptcy and he quit his job. Yeah Oh that was bad decisions. I wasn't great. I mean the economy is Great. Then all of a sudden Reagan sleep but reaganomics. And it's like I got trickled on Shit. Yeah so that's that's fun. Yeah all these people got trampled on. Yeah they did real bad. They moved back to Corpus Christi but they continued to make Selena. Los Dinos happen in order to make any money they could. The group would perform weddings Kingston Yeras or state fairs they would even perform on street corners. Oh if there was at least yep there's a place they can make money they were fucking there yet as long as they could be as long as you got some talented kids you will never be poor. I mean now with Youtube although some people just try to use youtube and I'm like maybe don't solely rely on that safer kid makes for maybe you don't know how to use. U. Two put that also like why do you just like exposure kid on Youtube when they're old enough to make a decision and like now you get to make money off your kid. There's so much to go into that lot right. That's an onion. We cannot an layer in in this episode. Yeah it's funny because a lot of times during the research I posed with the question of like but you can't. You shouldn't force your kids to shoot. They don't WanNa do but in this one situation. They might repeat this few times. Do not use this as a flagship for like I'm going to force my startup. And a total exception to the rules that the kids ended up really liking it good at it and became successful and there is a big difference between doing this and the people who who go on those like TLC child pageant shows Myers very big difference between this and a pageant mom situation. That's Abraham uses contacts in the music industry to get the kids into a recording studio to work on a full length album. They got signed into a contract with Freddie records who promoted them by releasing a few singles off the upcoming album. And so here we go. They're getting a little getting a little traction here. They're trying they're struggling. They're making a little money but airplay are they getting airplay working on it. They're trying to get some of that all right time labels mall time. Let's happen. Let's make it happen. Is IT GONNA go? Let's get that flame under their butts. We're GONNA find out though after the commercial break. We're getting more beer. We'll be right back. Hi I'm heather and I'm Rhonda and we're to wine-loving Psych nerds. Who together host the biweekly podcast wine. Mind have you ever port back a glass of wine and yourself wondering why do I left line so much? What's the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath do I really have OCD? If so then wind mind is the podcast for you. Every episode we choose a different psychology question to answer and pair it with a bottle of wine because wine. Wine is awesome. Find US on Apple. Podcasts Google podcasts. Stitcher spotify or anywhere else. You get your podcasts and check out our website at wine mind a PODCAST DOT COM. You can also find us on the social media's as at wind podcast. Join US and uncork your brain cheers. We're back. Hey come back from our break. Now I'm going to have that supertramp song stuck in my head welcomed. They don't know any of the words. No just the melody who saw you know. Remember Yeah Welcome to hell. So they released the album selena yellows. Dinos in nineteen eighty four and despite preferring the stylings of American Artists Selena saying entirely in Spanish Abraham may not have had to teach his daughter very much how to sing but he's certainly teacher. Spanish. Yeah at this point. It was pretty common for Mexican American children to only speak English if they did know Spanish or was it was no it was not and actually most parents kind of discouraged away from it because they wanted their kids to kind of fit into America So unfortunately a lot of kids in Spanish. I have a question I have an answer. I don't know maybe you'll get to this later. But so he called it Selena yellows dinos how was he allowed to call his family band. Los Dinos when the previous band. He was in which is still going. No Oh it was done yes okay and I still think that's why he could is. Because at this point they had disbanded. And I think because it's Selena Ellos Dino's either way I don't think his former bandmates had any issue with it. Okay so I'm good like nothing happened. Nothing happened okay. Yeah so I'm GONNA just assume that everybody's like my remember. Sure all right. That's fine we're done with it so you can have it. We've used it. It's fine it's fine we're done with this. I Abraham vividly remembered the discrimination that he suffered from both sides of the border to. He wanted to make sure that his children were to suffer that same fate. He was from Mexico. He was not raised in Corpus Christi. Okay he was born raised Mexican American. Okay but kind of like his kids he just gravitated more to the American culture right. They knew you know to how music and that's dialing of music and culture but with strong Mexican roots. Exactly it's they're like real split and I think that's a big problem with discrimination is they. Don't really know exactly where they fall. We'll to bring it back to when we were talking about. Tlc last week both Tebas end. Chilly felt the same way like they weren't white enough tebas especially wasn't white enough for Iowa but she wasn't black enough for Atlanta. So where exactly do you fall? How do you relate with anybody? That's in your age group right and the same with tricky even bringing up last month where half white half black and you're not sure really where you fit in because the white kids think you to black the black kids singer two way and it's Kinda the same with to Hana's like with the Mexican Americans is that some of them Tono Spanish and then Mexicans yet mad at them knowing enough Spanish then they get looked at by white people and Mexican. I know perfect English. Yeah and I was here. American actual citizens like we're going to deport you in three over the wall and you're like first of all you have to build the wall that's got enough all down it's GonNa blow down with a fifteen mile an hour winds so Weird the best walls tremendous. There is a skepticism coming from the label though telling Abraham that his kids were too young and not ready for prime time and on top of that they didn't think they stood a chance as Selena was a girl trying to break in between male dominated. Genre to how music is notorious for its mccheese. Mo and predominantly spanish-speaking males But Abraham went here this and he decided to take their music to another label. You know what I'm here. For Abraham right like that's worth Abraham always at faith in his kids and he said I don't give a fuck they're talented. Just go with think. I'll give a fuck if she's a girl she's talented and she can do something with right good for him Yeah No. He always had faith in his kids. School again exception. Not The rule. Do not take this parents as condolence to just like do what you want with your kids yeah consent matters so they made a brief leap over to a small label called. Cara records there. They had apparently made the album. The new girl in town however it was never released Zun after they were discovered by the label G. P. Productions that sign them for a yearly contract through them. They released their actual sophomore effort called Alpha. Okay Selena yellows dinos were starting to get radio play and they were appearing on television shows like the Johnny Canal show which showcased many popular to how musicians at the time. It's really sounds like a low budget rip off of the Johnny Carson show my equate Johnny Carson Equate Generic Johnny Johnny Carson law more generic Johnny carts fine he can be up and up Johnny Carson to be the target brand the family tour together in a large bus that Abraham bought and named Big Bertha. Because why not? Why not? Even though? They're gaining some traction with their music. They still struggled to afford food and gas but they just kept working hard so hard that Selena was taken out of school around the age of like thirteen or fourteen. Wow yeah she was middle school. Each day believe that legal. He went in and talked to the teachers and said Yeah. I'm going to take her out and some of them said. I don't think you should do that. And he's like do it anyway May maybe the eighties. It was just less strict again a site. Here's the thing that didn't stop her from. Getting an education girl knew it was important to keep up her studies so she was home schooled on the road and she's still got herself a high school degree by the age of seventeen through correspondence courses that she would mail in good. That's probably how they convinced them to let her leave school right like we're just going to home school and I mean she did it. She did it more than willingly. She wanted it good for she was. She's very driven person. She even as a kid she was like. Nah I should probably get my degree though right right. This isn't an excuse for me. They knock at my at least high school diploma. Yeah and actually. She would lead her enroll in college and studied business to help her eventually realize her dream of owning and operating her own fashion line but actually see. Selena was a smart woman and creative. She loved fashion especially that of popular female singers. Like Janet Jackson Madonna and Paula Abdul. She used that as inspiration to make her own outfit to perform in a lot of the efforts that she and you do the Dinos Vedeno and the dino the Dino's that her and her siblings and the band performed and she designed them I do remember something in the movie about her designing the cow print outfit and Los Dinos were like Calpine and she was like Nah. It's going to be cool and it was fucking cool. Yeah Yeah it. It was fucking cool. She pulled the pulled it off. Growth Smart Shoe designed the corresponding outfits for the entire band. Doing just as tejano other tejano artists do accept. These had some real as to them. Sarah Goals Shit sequence. Bright COLORS ANIMAL PRINT COW PRINT. Exactly all of it help them to stand out. There's that classic tale the time she were a boost. Ea At a show. Oh yes yeah Jess Gondolo. That's not no no no but all right now we can take that out no cheap so she exposed it to the crowd about halfway through after taking her jacket off and it's a beautiful piece that she created herself. It's covered in sequins. Well have covered. She ran out of sequence a little more than halfway through so one side had way more covered than the other and actually in the movie they create it perfectly so it has more sequence on one side than the other. That's adorable hent just in case. You're wondering no this did not please. Abraham who wanted his daughter to keep herself covered and conservative of course but after a lengthy discussion about how. It's the fashion and it's going to help gain the more attention. They compromise that she could wear it as long as she kept. An UNZIPS jacket over it. Live in the now abe. Well I was like eighty eighty nine. I don't know Selena wasn't the only member of the band. Finding her niece show her older brother. Ab was a natural when it came to arranging and production. He not only understood how to compose songs. But what elements to add into it to make a song really pop to make it really slap me real banger Bangor. He knew how to make bangers. All the Clinton Yeah Kids Grew Up American Music Aka good old rock and roll kids love by Rolette rocky role do though and this is pretty apparent in their songs. With Selena's powerful vocals Abe's ability to add and sent in modern sounds. It wasn't hard for them to get noticed in the world of tomato music every step Selena Dinos took must have been the right one because by nineteen eighty-seven she wanted to Hanno Music Award for best female vocalist. She continued to win that award for nine consecutive years and from then on was known as the Queen of Tejano Music Shit. Yeah she winning that award. That's hers but it also goes to show how few females are in that John Music now that he didn't deserve twenty. I'm just saying like I doubt she had that much competition. But also it's Selena. I have a lot of opinions on this. They took the to how to music genre and gave it new life. Not only was it appealing to people who have listened to it forever but also younger generations and even non Tiana's in a male dominated industry it took this vibrant charismatic and talented woman to bring it to the attention of the rest of the world was all of their success. They began to garner the attention of big time record labels. And we're being fought over by both Sony. And which were pretty big yeah. They were taken into Latin branches. And say let's go get them until they became the same record label. Yeah probably I think that's. Isn't it all just the same record label? There's like three maybe at this point. And that's that's being generous than as being generous and while Sony was offering twice the amount of money for the signing fee. Abraham decide that they should go with and that was because there they would be the first Latin Act signed for Sony. They would have been like the fourth. Yeah so this ensured that they would be focused on more closely. That's smart. He's again. He's a smart man with fuck doing. Everything's not fucking around guys from there. The band shifted focus a little bit more to just mainly focus on Selena. Everyone still performed just as they did before but now they simply call the Act Selena and in one thousand nine hundred nine. They released the first self titled Album under that name. Selena insisted on keeping Ab as her producer and Ama agreed to it but if this album that they released did not prove to be a success he would be replaced some grammy winning producer balls. I get it though. I mean he's your brother you've been doing this and I go a lake APP or like whatever you're doing things in the suits industries. Yes how that works. Thankfully it peaked at number seven on the billboard regional Mexican album chart regional Mexican album. Charge up all right all right. I didn't know that was the thing. Neither neither the first time they would strike national attention here in. Ab proved himself and was able to stay on as producer will praise. Jesse did it for his Jesse did it. Selena was getting offers to do commercials for companies like Coca Cola now which just blew up her popularity down south. She was also offered to do beer. Commercials and while that made sense for Texas based band. The family decided to keep a cleaner image and avoid ads of that nature and how the girl wasn't even really drinking age anyway. Yeah so I don't know if she should be doing girl also wearing sequined bussiers so whatever but also don't be in a drinking ad you're under twenty. I was like wait a minute. White used by the message. You're pushing here. Don't drink underage drink. Things were really blowing up for the Quintanilla family and they were seeing the success that they worked so hard. For and Salinas Childhood Dreams were slowly coming true and a stereotypical a trope as it may seem I mean all the drains even the ones of true love Laden who is sleeping. I stayed up in think. View like a little girl was like. Yeah I get this all of them. Their guitarist had just gotten married and his wife wanted him to leave music and start their family so I now. Selena was a native lead guitarist. Ab New just the guy super talented reliable and had this young edgy. Look to help. Keep up the fresher image that the kids have been striving for enter Chris Perez. Now Abraham wasn't really his biggest fan from the get-go but ab vied hard for him and his father relented Chris Fedun and it was pretty key in helping create. Some of their biggest hits like Bidi. Bidi Bom Bom. Oh Boy Indo Gusta can we talk about the music video? Yes so I was like all right. I'll just play the video clip. It's fine I watched it before. Wow you know what I take a hot second. Go look to bomb Bob because while this video they're just Selena in another creepy fucking clearly stalking her just like driving down the street together. Survivor lowers the guy on the street. And literally chokes in her car romantics. I've ever seen like get out of his car. Winner your flowers. Your thing I've ever seen this is clearly a video done by people who have never been romantic relationships and for nearly Tono how to make music video either no I have. No Oh where we get a grip friends guys. Nowhere to be found. God Wow I mean I feel like Abraham should watch dude ever did that to my daughter. I'd beat the shit out of ever saw. Anybody Chuck a bouquet of flowers into somebody else's car. I would think that those people are fighting. I'm really bad. Somebody's in trouble. Somebody is in trouble. Somebody just had their Valentine's Day ruined fro tip. Don't throw flowers and some of those who are at least get up at the lake mixed signals. Very busy like me got me flowers. But then he just fucking threw me off drove off the restart logic. I need to see how the salad we'll save that for later. Yeah so as far as the song itself goes story is they. Were getting really sick of all the traditional songs that they had been set up with throughout the years so one night during a soundcheck Chris started messing around and AB started to jam with them. And then Selena joined in on the fun just making up some words and melody and before they knew it. This song was born. Isn't the hell out of a really great hits like fuck around. I can tired of the same bullshit. We've been playing. Let's just fuck around. Yeah I think like this is a pretty quintessential example of how they took tejano music and just gave it a new life. Just gave this immediate relevant. Yeah to the time and yeah. It just made it something that people wanted to hear. It wasn't long before Selena and crisslow realize they made a good team offstage to two young and fun adults. Their attraction to each other was undeniable. Too Young and fun adults long. When you WANNA be sexy frisky adults ready to sue sexy? Kids are actually crazy. Hook and flowers at each other. And that's the thing. I don't think they ever checked flowers at each other. Maybe that's why she liked him. Navy like Oh. He's that chuck and flowers. I mean this is great right so her siblings saw what was going on between these two and they warned Selena. Dad is not going to be cool with this at all danger ops. He's going to go Abraham on your ass. Oh my God but he is your asses. Hammed I thought of that joke. Like twenty minutes ago thank you. It was the perfect time. He's GonNa go Abraham on your ass. The lovebirds initially tried to stay away from each other but come on. You're constantly touring together. That is a futile endeavor. You're on the road. You're it's going to be hard to avoid your band me before long. They were exchanging. I love US over pizza. And did their best to hide this relationship. From Abraham she did love a good pizza girl loved to go pizza. He can eat a whole large pizza by herself. We've as a medium. Oh I thought in the movie she said large medium still impressed by like she's just a little thing you got it. Guess what though you're constantly on the road together with your dad. You can't hide that you can't hide your relationship. You can't hide your relationship. From Abraham Love your kid hydrate fuck. You also can't hide your love for Pizza. Yeah everyone knows you love pizza. Yeah we saw some slices in your bed tonight. Eating it under the covers taught eventually SELENA's father figure it out and forbade the couple from seeing each other. No you know what that's GonNa do. They said Hell No. We ain't gonNA stop seeing each other. They love each other and they WANNA get married. Well this through Abraham over the edge Abraham Chris's asa just gonNA use it as a verb. Now do it basically after this. Lena was on lockdown. He kept her so busy. Seeing Chris was nearly impossible but I mean in the end Selena's an areas and areas aries sure. Well they're like you know you know bull headed no areas of rams seem but I am saying they're like bullheaded they're going to do anything with fucking like aries are more of a sign of action because Taurus's bowl and bowl is just like I'm just GONNA stand here in areas like I'm GonNa Fuck Shit up and then tourists stubborn areas is like no fucking doing it. I know you said nobody fuck you. I know what's best for me so she's still saw Chris behind her father's back until they just couldn't take it anymore. So you know what they eloped. Fuck this we're going to guess what happens when you try to make to people not see each other. They see each other. Like Time's eleven and they're going to go get married without you. Yeah and then. You Miss Your daughter's wedding. Yeah it's fine. The two were married in Nineteen ninety-two at City Hall. And before they could even tell her parents the media was all over it and it blew their cover so they kind of had to stay away for a little bit but you know what I mean. At least. They didn't have to confront them until them. You did it for them. Yeah after Abraham found this out he secluded himself for some time upset that his daughter may have married some chauvinistic man who is going to stop them from making music but when the couple finally confronted him to talk about it he realized how wrong he was and he welcomed Chris into the family and back into the band so we Abraham D- back into the band will if he had just taken the time to make friends with Chris and find out that he's not such a bad guy. I will say Chris did have a couple black marks on his record think he had a dui one time and he did the scene in the movie where they trash the hotel room but they look like he's just chilling. Nope he definitely helped trash. That hotel room cool so he's he's made some mistakes however apparently that happened after him and Selena were married. I mean I know. Somebody's Abraham on the couch that night. At least you didn't burn the house down you do not just because there was all this. Romantic drama doesn't mean Selena's career took a breather during this time in nineteen ninety. She released her second album. Then call migo which peaked at number three on the Mexican regional charts again and produced three singles. Getting heavy radio play. Her concerts were beginning to become real sites. And we're seeing a high number of attendees one of those attendees was named Yolanda Saldivar and it was there that she had the idea that Selena needed a fan club. So you'LL WANNA approach Abraham about the idea and by approach. I mean she called him a fuck ton. How did she get his phone number? I don't know the nineties phonebook phonebook. Probably a phone book. Well after enough. Badgering him he was like you know what this is. A good good way to get more exposure. Keep in touch the fans all right. Let's have a fan club. Okay and he not only agreed to it but he let her be the president in her. Be in charge of all the fan club business and I want you all to bookmark this bitch. 'cause she's GonNa come back. I'm a dog year this dog. Your this yeah. I'm a dog year this library book. Yeah I mean whatever. You're not the first I highlighted mine. They were so mad. They never checked the pace so many fines. No he just never noticed. They didn't care they were dead inside. They're just happy. The book came back. Let's be honest. Honestly Salinas first number. One single came as a duet that she recorded was Salvadorian. Artists Alvarado Tortoise called Buenos Amigos. The video earned two nominations at the billboard music awards and helped her expand her touring the east and west coast states so this helped kind of sprinkle her a little bit more into the area and people's little subconscious plant the seeds of world domination. Hopefully serves it but it was with the release of her third album and today I mi Mundo that got her to be taken seriously especially with the help of one of her biggest singles ever Komala which is what I got the Beer Bay star. Yeah there it is full circle. The album reached number one in the regional Mexican album charts again. But this was for eight months straight oh With all of this she was asked to oppress tour. South of the border. Being Tejano is nine easy thing like we mentioned before because they aren't accepted by either side. Yeah not fully anyway. So this had to be handled with the greatest of delicacy. Yes she was now. A platinum selling artist but SELENA. Spanish was still not great and many were afraid she was just GonNa get eaten alive out there. They'RE GONNA see how bad or Spanish was. They were just going to not take her seriously to. Hannah's were kind of treated as jokes. Dc kind of just learn Spanish enough to sing or did her. Dad Lake teacher enough to try and hold a conversation. He taught her enough. She knew enough. It would just wasn't wasn't good. It was fluent enough She could get by but this is a big deal press conference. Yeah so they're all a little nervous however you know what? There is. No reason to fear girl knew what she was doing. She came out and Kept Herself Humble in Kind Aka. Herself she smiles. She made jokes. She was friendly. She came out and greeted everyone personally. Because that's just kind of WHO Selena is anyway made everyone comfortable. Everyone just relaxed around her. The press loved her and saw her as an artist of the people and that made it easy for her to have a small tour around like just a little bit of Mexico and it gained her critical acclaim. Yeah it did nothing but favors for her career. That's good by nineteen ninety. Four SELENA had successfully proven to the naysayers. You're wrong I can make it into Hutto music. I don't care that I'm a female here. I am yeah. She managed to win over the hearts of Mexico which many were dubious that she could do and now she was finally crossing over to America at large by winning the grammy for best Mexican American album with live. It has an exclamation point. Life recorded the year before at a free concert in Corpus Christi while music had always been Selena number one and here. She is getting exactly where she's wanted to be She has had many other passions that she wanted to pursue to began to dabble in acting. She was in a few TELENOVELAS AND IN ONE THOUSAND. Nine hundred five. She made a cameo in the Marlon Brando. Film Don Haunt DEMARCO. Oh really I do not know she was in that little cameo. Yeah that was Johnny Depp. Movie Johnny Depp Movie. Do you remember that one. I don't big surprise. Acting was fun and all but if Selena was going to juggle anything alongside her music career. It was gonNA be fashion Finally she had the money and confidence to start pursuing a line of clothing she opened two boutiques called Selena etc one in Corpus Christi and one in San Antonio going above and beyond each boutique also included a beauty salon for hair manny pettis and all of a treat yourself atmosphere. Treat yourself. She believed in. Treat yourself yeah and clearly. Her talents went beyond music because she was bringing in over. Five million dollars from these boutiques whole girl was hit. She only had two of them and they were coming in at five million dollars. Yes Holy Shit. That's also how popular SELENA Y. Yeah pupil loved her. They adored her. They wanted to support her And squirrels trendiest fuck. I mean honestly. She knew what was up. She's so fashionable. She became one of the twenty wealthiest Hispanics during that time with all this business coming in. Everyone agreed it would be best to bring in someone to help her manage the boutiques and so impressed with the job that she did with the fan club. The quintanilla ask you a Wanda. If she'd be interested in the job she enthusiastically took the position and developed a close friendship with Selena. Those are perfect reactions. It shouldn't surprise anyone when I say success was just unstoppable for Selena in Nineteen ninety-four. She released the album a more. Probably beat though. And did it. Slay it peaked. At number three in the billboard Latin Charts in St Louis XIV into the next year. Yeah now we get into billboard. Yeah that's like big deal big. B B FD. Big Big deal. Big reveal a more prohibits had been certified thirty six times platinum and is on countless lists of Vesta thirty six times platinum. Yeah sure three six but like if you look up like best of albums in the ninety s albums by women albums to hear before you die. This is going to always be on their albums. Buzzfeed click pay record of the year at the bottom music awards. Yeah he's fucking yeah. This album sees a little bit of everything. There's rock are embiid. Dance all mix into give a new sound the Toronto Genre after all this time finally the label decided it was time they are going to release. Selena's English Spanish crossover. Finally now she had wanted from day one to do one of these and they just saying. I don't know if you're ready if you're ready. So finally like the economy into it and say like she might go do it with another label and no no no no no. Now you're ready. Oh no you're ready. Now now's the time this time around. The process was going to be different. Ab step down from production duties. The family wanted to see Selena work with someone. Different for the Crossover album that makes sense be. Ab is a really good producer however It was just the Tanno albums that they did that he was doing. They WANNA break into the pop stuff and they don't WanNa do it right the first time right so and this is also a chance for him to Kinda learn from other people. It was good. The families still helped out but they just kind of took a step back. Yeah the ended up working with Grammy Winning Keith Thomas who worked with Selena effortlessly having a real ear for songs that would be best to show off her skills. The singer herself was actually allowed to choose one song she landed on a song written by. Fran Gold and Tom Snow called dreaming of you. Oh I know this one. You know this lawn while Ab said he didn't like it for her. Selena said she really liked the lyrics with her voice. She made that Melody Shine. Yeah she actually recorded it. While suffering from bronchitis oh Jesus rate. The last song she recorded for the album was God's child a duet with David Byrne every burned. David Byrne was actually a real good song. That is so weird right. Everyone is really excited about this track though because it. What's a really complimentary duet between Selene and David Byrne He's such a big name. For this first time crossover that they were sure to garner a lot of attention for it. Yes especially because it's so out of left field. Yeah but it really worked to. I don't know if it's that left field for David Byrne He. He works with different a lot of different genres of music. So I think he He pulled it off but he is also a sensible choice despite all these things in her life that are just bigger than ever. Salinas still took the time to enjoy the simple things. She and Chris lived in a house right next to the rest of her family. They had just a series of three houses all next to each other. They can always spend time with each other that call up and say hey you make dinner. Camano really be great. Yeah she absolutely animals and talked about starting a farm someday. Not Shying away from any yard work. She kept everything Incheon. Hire anybody do stuff for her. They had some dogs smother pets. She loved animals. Wanted to have just an every living menagerie of of animals in the US chickens pigs everything but most importantly this Leinen Chris. They were finally talking about and a couple of kids in that picture. Finally Air I feel safe. Assuming listeners know why this never ended up happening But how did it all build up to that point? Unfortunately the writing was on the wall with Yolanda Saldivar. It was simple it I oh it was simple at first staffing problems at the boutiques with former employees complaining to Selena that you'll ought to dismiss anyone shit like sleep couldn't believe that she was capable of that so she just kind of ignored all these claims. No no when your employees complained to you about the manager news would probably look into it but the Oakland is saying Salinas her best friend and she's buying her gifts and she's saying spending all its time. She's always so helpful. She's always the first volunteer. Yulon to wouldn't be doing anything wrong. No never her. Also mind you. Selena's in her early twenties. Yeah Yeah and you'll wind is how old forties fifties. Yeah Yeah. There's a significant age gap even fellow designers and family members would express their concerns and finally. Abraham told Selena. She should be more careful with your Onda but because of his kind of usual mistrusting nature. She chose to ignore his warnings as well so lean. How many times I was Abraham Olano about this. And he was wrong. Yeah so nothing. I'm saying that that makes us okay. But SELENA But what they couldn't ignore was the massive amount of fan complaints that they had sent in money for the club but received nothing return when Abraham investigated this he discovered that you Lana had embezzled more than thirty thousand dollars from both the fan club and the Boutiques Shit. Yeah you'll wanted tonight this once. They approached her but Abraham said unless she could prove him wrong he was going to get the police involved. He also told her. Stop all contact with his daughter. Yes from her Abraham fucking doing right. He's about to Abraham Harass. He's GonNa Abraham over. That bitch is though but Selena was not as quick to dissolve the friendship and also she did know that you wanna how important bank tax information in her possession. So I think that was. Kind of a secondary's invertebrate. Let's not burn the bridges yet. Let's get this this a good reason to get the police involved. Yeah Yeah I'm telling you writing on the wall. Red Flag Red flag flag. Yeah a few weeks later when Selena asked to get the records back you said that she unable to get them over to salina to the family because she had been raped in Mexico X. What so Selena. Still played the role of dutiful friend. She brought onto to a clinic to get looked at. I'm so she was unable to get this stuff to her because of the trauma of the rape. I'm assuming not because she can't go back to Mexico. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure what exactly she told Selena she just said I was ready to news. Basically just causing a crisis in order to divert attention. Yep Guy made us potato. Yeah so right. She brings her to a Kleenex. Get looked at okay. However the nurse didn't do a full exam because you'll launch There was a couple of weird reasons. She went to a full exam because they were doing the exam in Corpus Christi. But you're a resident of San Antonio but also the rape happened in Mexico. Okay and I don't really fully understand but according to the nurse. She just said she couldn't do a full exam. I tried to understand the whole web of this and why this didn't work. I don't know if there's some weird laws down there that say like I mean it is Texas. Yeah Sir might be some weird laws where you have to get like tested either where it was where it happened or in your own town or it could it could have just been. You'll on the being like no don't do the whole tests and then you'll onto saying oh well the nurse said she can do it because this was actually according to the nurse. Those nurses testimony. I don't know nobody fucking nose after that. Selena tried once again to get the records from Yolanda when they went back to her to her hotel room And at this point one can only assume. The woman felt trapped with no way out shoes unhinged and wanted the mess to go away and that meant pulling a gun from her purse and pointing it at the singer. This girl that she is claimed as her best friend. I'm going to get rid of my problem. Now selena attempted to flee. But you're gonNA manage to shooter in the back right under the right shoulder blade according to the clerk in the lobby. Selena ran in bleeding. You WanNa was chasing her and calling her a bitch. You'll Lana has some fucking mental health issue. I mean I didn't watch any of the interviews with Milan but there are interviews on YouTube. You can watch with her. I definitely remember watching. There's a twenty twenty or something. I think I watched that one years ago. It came out years ago. Oh my God like right after it happened but years after yeah and I definitely remember watching that one and she was very calm very composed during the whole thing but also crazy but everything. They came out of her mouth. I was like no you crazy. Actually say you are Bat. Shit fucking insane and you think that everything. You did was justified when to everybody else that you're telling the story to it's like no. You're fucking nuts. Yup You had no right to do any of that. Oh she died. I didn't know about the supposed rape in Mexico. No I didn't know about. That's why I'm giving a little more detail super detail but I just wanted to have a general outlook on what happened that day. Yeah 'cause I'm sure everybody probably realizes it's a lot more complicated than like. Vh One behind the music probably lead you to believe Gaya. So yeah. That's crazy. Yeah it's it's sick soon after Selena collapsed. So you'll onto ran out upon attempting to escape. She was cornered by the police while she was in her car. So she stayed in there for a nine hour standoff before she was finally arrested right she had a fucking standoff issues and there with the gun. Like I'm GonNa Kill Myself Not GonNa kill myself Bananas the bullet had hit Selena in the back and went straight through her chest on. Its Way through. It struck an artery causing devastating blood loss despite long efforts by EMT's answers they were just unable to keep her alive. There was absolutely way too much blood loss. Yeah it was quick. I mean the ambulance will stay within two minutes. Yeah but when you just go artery done you're done it's yeah they couldn't even like IV her more blood because they collapsed. Yeah it just crazy I. You can read all about the whole thing. I skimmed it because again. I just didn't WANNA focus on it but can you Launda so on March thirty first nineteen ninety five one oh five. Pm Selena Quintanilla Perez was pronounced dead at only the age of twenty three. That's crazy twenty. Fucking three she was already this much of a star. She's twenty three and this Razi Bitch. Who's like I'm GonNa Steal? Was It really worth the thirty Grand Bitch? Was It really worth the fucking thirty grand? I don't think it was about the thirty grand wasn't but I was. I'm still mad about Blake. The thirty grand was just like you know something that she could just get away with. The main point was being able to say I am close to this person. Oh Yeah No. There's there's a lot behind it again. I didn't go too deep. There's plenty of documentaries. You guys can watch and they're GONNA go full of detail. I could wax poetic about this for quite a while. Because you know I love me some true crime same but shut up and not GONNA go. Abraham on this deaths better life days weeks months years have passed and her loss is still felt around the world. The Mexican American community truly lost bright light from their world a role model to so many proof that the American dream is true and can happen But I don't even want to limit it to one community. The world lost a truly amazing talent and person. She crossed all sorts of borders to bring people together. Selena was one of the few people to make it and never lose her humility to be open minded and true to herself. She wanted to make her friends families and fans proud. She didn't feel entitled. She didn't think she was owed anything. She's worked hard and wanted just to be happy. She wanted a simple life. Despite the hard work she put in. This is one of those instances where somebody truly did. Die Too young Where I'm like. Yeah what could it happens if they were alive. 'cause like all. These other musicians have died early like Kurt cobain and Janice Joplin and all of them. It's like the experience. Some sort of popularity and stardom in America during their very short careers. She didn't even get to see her popularity in got to like two steps before that Brink. Right of stardom in the United States. So we don't even get a little bit of that like massive popularity that she could have. I mean she's experience should get go to the grammys. She did get to do a little bit she got to dabble but she never got to see how far she was going to go. And the really annoying thing is that most people in America only know about her because of her death. Oh yeah that's the only reason. A lot of Americans know who she is at least White Americans from most of the United States right. I will say I remember hearing her songs on the radio and I didn't know she was dead. Yeah so I think maybe younger like our generation and younger are GonNa know her because of her music. I definitely know who she I remembered I hearing about her and knowing who she was because dreaming of you love a came became popular right after she passed away and I will listen to k. One Oh four from poughkeepsie. New York And Casey Kasem was always doing the top forty on Sunday. Success and dreaming of you would be on the top forty for like that. Short period of my childhood. Yes and that is how I knew who she was. And then few years later you know the behind the music story came out in the Mike and the movie yet the movie and that's when I was like. Oh it's her Gotcha. Yep Yeah it's it is. You're right it's so much of a shame to think she didn't get to see her popularity explode and honestly like she's still today she would be making great music and the popularity she did get in mainstream music in America blip on the radar of what could have happened if she was still alive and the things she did for Spanish music like Spanish language music. I mean she was a fucking four forerunner for that. She brought him other. I don't know surprised to the floor. Fanfare she brought to the forefront. Yeah of of our radios because we are not very diverse when it comes to music but at least now we do here much more Spanish and then we ever yeah and we honestly even still. We are very resistant. Oh Spanish language music we would be allowed or in artist but we WANNA learn artist and any other language besides Spanish however if they perform at the super bowl halftime we have to send in at least a thousand complaints to see because they're Dzhizak too sexy. How dare they. I will say there was a documentary. That came out. The I guess was focusing on Selena's death not the murder purchase like the impact. It had I can remember. It was called. I saw it on Youtube. I kind of dismissed it because the creator of the documentary question. How good of a role model? She was because she wore sexy outfits. Now I get. It's the nineties. So maybe you're just being a little conservative still but that's a shitty feminist view. Wow what she's really good role model for kids because like she was really sexy was she though I mean for the time yes. She was compared to now all right. Well that's the thing. This came out in the late nineties. Unlike like maybe you're just looking at it through that light like I'd like to see what the documentary lake or half shirts like she were Busse ta She's launched. Shaw rotates her hips. I when I read about that. It was like you can strike. Oh Fuck Yourself. He'd straight goes. She is a great role model. She really is. He actually would come out and say yes. I got married and it was a bit impulsive. And yes I wear these things like these kind of sexy outfits. But you don't have to be like me. You just have to be true to yourself. And she was aware that little girls would watch her. That's why she didn't do beer commercials and that's why she would try to watch how she acted in public because she wanted other kids to look at her and say that's how you should compose yourself. Yeah like you should be composed and friendly and kind. That's what you should be like. And that was what the message was that she would try to impose so go. Fuck yourself who cares. She wore boost. Da's that means carelessly passed. She's a Latina. Yeah of course. He's got hips. Came workum girls yeah. She floated flying if he got it. And that's why I feel like this story is still so relevant. Because it's like we still have fucking uppity conservative people. Really there too sexy. I can listen to music. I don't know what they're saying. Stop it can you go visit another country for just two weeks and now we have learned. What the fuck culture is now. We have the bullshit view of. You're too big. You're too fat. You can't wear that so I know everybody can fuck off. She was praised for Selena was praised for lake. Saying like you don't have to be super skinny and all these things which but like she said you guys see was thin like yeah. He was carvey but she wasn't fat. She had a booty but she was in no way shape or form but like they were a bigger person the people look to her as like a supporter of positive body image because she was afraid to show up for curves but which is great. And I'm sure today should be all about. I don't care what size you are love. Who you are. Love your curves. I'm sure she would be a proponent of that But she wasn't fat she. Was We tonic? In any way shape or form. She did break a lot of the like the blonde haired Pale. Blue Type two which was nice and she did open a lot of doors for Latino women and Latino Artists Latino artists true so I mean we gotta give her praise for that yeah. You're she's a dreamer. She never gave up on anything. She set her mind to all of our success. Was well deserved. It's just an utter tragedy that she is no longer with us. But I stand by it to try to not focus on her murderer. I know it's Kinda fascinating if you WANNA watch a couple of. Docs AIN'T GONNA BLAME YOU. But instead let's focus on her life and all the amazing things she did in only twenty three years on this earth rates. Twenty-three like no I mean I haven't done a quarter of that in thirty six. So yes I respect Selena a lot. Yeah she's done amazing thing. Everybody should respect her. Yeah celebrates Selena guys guys anything for Salinas anything. So that's the story of Selena. Yeah thank you so much for listening love you when appreciate you hope you enjoy appreciate Selena? 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Rock Candy Ep. 107: TLC - Are We Having Fun Yet

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Rock Candy Ep. 107: TLC - Are We Having Fun Yet

"Birthday to you happy birthday to you. Happy Birthday Dear Maggie. Happy Birthday to you so the me. Yes for like once this comes out. It's no longer celebrating. It's not today is your birthday. Happy fucking hey I want you know. We're recording on my birthday. I could be doing a lot of other things right now. We're going to be doing a lot of other things after we're done recording. It's going to be a night. It's Monday we already had an eye on Saturday. We don't need another one is. We're getting old so all I'm still a little hung over host Saturday definitely today hangover. It was a rough day at work and I didn't really even do anything. Actually no I had to do two interviews today with so yeah. I did do stuff I did. You gotta be on when you do interviews. It was hard. Yeah no I'm not into. That is fun Saturday though. It was on Saturday. Well you know what though I actually like but but for tonight story? I'm cool with this being my birthday. 'cause I'm really excited at the story and this is a story that we wanted to do since we started the podcast. Yeah because there's definitely a part in it that we say all the time. Oh Yeah we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA queue that up and say that real strong I. I made a good lead up to it. Exo I mean I know what part is. You'll all know when it happens you. Oh okay if you watch one's behind the music. Yeah and that's what we're talking about. We're talking about your TLC array the crazy this sexy and the cool all of it all at one eight no battery ugly in here. It's all just create a sexual Yes candy your weekly podcast. Bringing yes. Sweet treats from the world of music stories and tales and maybe a little things. You didn't know about certain artists that you really like some fun. Trivia Fun Trivia. We hope you will do well. It Music Trivia after this. Yeah you're welcome please credit us. We're helpful yeah. And we're your host. Maggie. I'm Ashley and yes. We are talking about the one and only TLC. Yeah Wonderful Group from our childhood. I love talking about right. I mean they're so influential influential in just in general a very big part of my life. Yeah I guess but I would also say that their music totally stands the test of time you can still listen to them and it's a God damn shame that will never get music for them again. I mean we won't get music for them again as the three of them. Yes but they they definitely Kennedy. I know I know. Yeah Yeah we'll get into it but we had A. We had a pretty delectable beer. This time we did a nice. It's a good beer. I was pretty excited about it. We don't always complain about a lot. We don't always get a good beer this week. We were drinking prairie artisan Ales Artis Anal. No it's just artisan Ales. Oh okay to now but if you put them together. It's artists angels. Arniston nells artisanal as Liz. That's so fancy very French. It's French guy on your Anal mercy buckets artisanals. It's called no chill milk. Stout aged dot coffee make sense because we clearly have no chill chill but still see arguably at least one member certainly didn't have any Chil- yeah no but one of them did have Chil- renamed was Chili. Exactly also and also also no scrubs also no scrubs. I don't want him getting here. What what the fuck is that? I Scrub get America. Here fuck out here scrubs. It was a really good beer. I think it hasn't fully been out for a while things. This is a bit of an older can. Yeah I think that's I think it's an older beer but I really have no idea because our local beverage center sometimes rotates things too quickly and then doesn't rotate other things for years which makes no sense to me at all. There are some cans there that I have been staring at since we started doing this podcast over two years ago. Actually the same exact can literally so this could have been one of them. I don't know either way. It's still good so no. That's what I was GONNA say. I mean if you happen to come across it. I would highly suggest getting it. Yes there was five percent will baby and that was the only can that they had but it was good. It was Kinda bummed. There wasn't more but we'll do. We'll make do we always. Do you have a ton of notes so we should probably just dive right. We can do that. Never I am may tell me about. Tlc Tebas left Diane chilly spoilers. That's what he'll seized not tender loving care not learning channel which is which learning in that sense. Highly suspect hiding. Kony comes to that. Tv Channel Not learning anything. They have like like. Isn't it like a thousand pound life now and like the little women which is not just little women little people yeah people? It's it and like you know just exploiting people time explaining people under the guise of learning. You're not learning anything GAWKING AT everybody. Yeah but this is not the TLC. We're talking about. It's not fairly. We haven't been things we discover tonight yeah so TLC started in nineteen ninety in Atlanta Georgia. But it wasn't started by anyone you may have heard of. The group was pulled together by teenager named Crystal Jones. Rumor had it that crystal under the direction of Perri Pebbles Reid whom you might not recognize that name however you probably would recognize one of her. Like two hits. She had that one. Hubble son's really familiar she had that song girlfriend girlfriend. How could you let them treat you so bad? Oh that's yeah. I do know that song that song and I very often forget about it. One of those lost hits. What is that like late? Eighties Leah's Ladies Ladies Ladies Night. So Yeah Crystal. Under the direction of pebbles was there to form a girl group. It was a group the likes of which no one had seen before all black all girls in featuring that new jack swing sound. That was so popular in the nineties. I still love that New Jack Swing though. Yeah that's still. That's still fucking slaps guys. It's slaps it swings in. Its slaps it whips llamas ass rhymes swings and if all his ass. You're welcome you can use that. Tm TM like credit us. Use that crystal. I set her eyes on Tian. Two niece walk INS also known as Tebas. Yea Tian was born in Des Moines Iowa on April twenty-sixth nineteen seventy two James and Gayle Watkins. Her family was very musical. Her Dad had his own band in which her Mother Sang. Backup vocals also. She came from a musical family. Indeed Partridge family there. That's Kinda funny because my next line is this wasn't exactly the partridge family. I look at you. Were on point tonight. What except not because he's not a partridge purchase. But you're wrong tetons. Parents divorced when she was three years old. James Watkins chose music over his family essentially abandoning tianze mothers. Who go out on the Road Rod. Yeah good good choice. He continued to be a pretty deadbeat dad missing Christmas and birthdays constantly. Rod Rod Dad. He had he's not like other dads. He's a Rad Windy. Actually did you see her dad. He and his various girlfriends allegedly would subject her to ridicule and abuse. What yeah he was Kinda Dick. Sounds like it. Man Like so far. Not a winner. So far sounds like Dick. Yeah making matters. Worse was a medical diagnosis at age. Seven that would affect hands life forever. She was told that she had sickle cell anemia with which is a disorder where there aren't enough healthy red blood cells to carry oxygen throughout the body. This causes extreme fatigue. Extreme pain organ failure stroke heart problems and a whole slew of other problems. Jesus this meant. She was in and out of the hospital constantly from the age of seven dealing with the effects of over exertion and pain When she was nine Tian and her mother moved to Atlanta in Atlanta was a very different place from a small city in Iowa. Yeah but gill wanted her kids to have more opportunities to have great futures and it was a rough transition for Tian. Are you saying that gale was a cool mom blake in actual cool mom and then her dad was a red dead dead out on the road? Yeah yeah by the way read debt is not a thing you ought to be in our book apparently you you can only say it if you roll your eyes as you say yeah radd because mom gaels doing gum kill student job. All right into mowing there weren't a whole lot of black people. She could hang out with their. She was to black so nobody wanted to talk to her. But in Atlanta it was the opposite. She wasn't black enough so she was stuck in this weird limbo but she still tried to be a regular teenager. She took an interest inherent nails becoming a hair model and getting a part time job at a salon but her real passion was dancing. She liked to hang out at eight. Young Person's Club is what they called it. And that's what I'm calling it. I don't know what else to call it secrets as it was secrets. I'm like I can't say secrets. 'cause nobody listening to US right now. In those with secrets. Secrets is a young person's Club at a roller rink. Around here guys they have to water cannons into two in no dress code dress. Canot hoodies can't wear hoodie grinding. No hoodies leave enough space for. Jesus yes. That's a kids club spot. Yeah a children's Children's multi use a entertainment venue also virgin dockery's and a lot of other virgins there. That's it's feel weird. Yes the baby. Show weird but that's what it is. It is just like this. That's that's the club for virgins. It's a club for children. These children should not be phoning yet. Yeah if you're going to secrets you're not boning yet. Yeah but also. This place has a better name than secrets. Yeah it's called Jelly beans. That's Jelly me. Fucking Youth Club. Yeah and it was a roaring too so it was a club. Roller Roller Blink. I'm going to rollerblade cry now. I'm going to point blank. Point BLINK BLINK. Point Break Still. Can't say it it's okay well. We don't really long tirade about clubs. Anyway she would go to jelly beans all the time. One of her favorite things to do was challenged. The boys that ruled the dance floor. Shit and she could sing too but her passion was dancing as luck would have it. Tebas had a connection to pebbles read. Crystal Jones Mentor. That was helping her. Put the girl group together. Crystal was in charge of finding the talent while pebbles would be in charge of managing them. It just so happened. That one of towns co workers at the Salon was pebbles his hair stylist and this co worker suggested Tian to pebbles oh also auditioning for pebbles was Lisa Nicole Lopez later to be known as left. I left die. Lisa was born on May twenty seventh nineteen seventy-one and was raised in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Philly her mom Wanda was a seamstress and her father. Ronald was a staff sergeant in the US Army. She was the oldest of three having a younger sister. Raina and a younger brother Ronald Junior and Lisa. Antiguans childhoods were very similar. Though Lisa's parents weren't professionals they were still musical. Ronald senior played harmonica clarinet piano and saxophone. He's a real woodwind kind of guy. He was his role. Woody guy he would. He likes them read instruments into the wood. Dick Jokes again like Tian. Lisa came from an abusive household. Her father ran their house like a boot camp or God. He was extremely strict punishing. His children for the smallest most inconsequential infractions. Physically abusing both them and their mother. Maggie matters worse with was his drinking problem which was something he unfortunately passed sound to Lisa. By the time she was fifteen she had also started drinking. So he's not a rat dead. He's just a bad bad. He's a bad debt but like that kind of makes them sound like a kick ass dad bad. He's a shit dead. Yeah that's not great. Yeah Shit dead. I should just want to keep the rhyming scheme. Yell Left. A thing of. We'll come up with better. Yeah in nineteen ninety. Lisa moved from Philly to Atlanta in part to get away from her home life but also because she had heard that pebbles was looking to start a group also a fifteen now she was about six eighteen. Okay so the seven she could leave the house the first thing she was. Leave the house and go to Atlanta yes. She had already finished school and everything since she left. Good for you get the fuck out of there. You can do better. She took her keyboard and seven hundred and fifty dollars. Booked Georgia immediately impressing pebbles with her exuberance and talent so Lisa Join Crystal in Tian to form the first incarnation of TLC. Which at the time was called second nature it wasn't long before the name change to TLC which was short for Tian Lisa and crystal right. Krista was the original third member. Exactly wasn't she technically the first member? Technically Yeah Yeah. After practicing a bit. The girls auditioned for the face records. Which happened to be owned by Kenneth? Babyface edmonds wait a minute. Is IT LA- face or LA face? La Face I always thought it was ellie face it easily confused because baby face owned it along with pebbles is husband at the time la read. Oh that's where I get it but it's less face lower case a la face face the French the French for the face. Oh No it's Spanish for the face but it's a woman is the time in face would have said Mister Phase. I'm going to call it. La Face because when you go to L. A. It sucks so hard you have to put on your la. People think you're having a good time gentlemen even though they're totally on the east coast we can call La face okay. Ellie read and baby face loved he on and Lisa. Behead A BIG PROBLEM WITH KRYSTAL O. After the Audition Crystal Kinda just disappeared. Oh my God what happened to crystal. Where's Christopher's crystal? What did they do they? They did a crystal. What's in the box? It's crystal off crystal and he really shoved her in there. That's wow really wanted to get rid of her. We know what happened to crystal. She's in the box. Oh good okay saying that Fox crystal. Just stay there you're fine. The details are a little murky awake on true crime story. You didn't see coming. It's not so one story. Was that baby face in L. A. Thought Crystal was a week performer and should be replaced. Another is that Tian in. Lisa's simply asked her to leave the group. Oh yet another is that pebbles didn't like that crystal wanted a lawyer to review their contract before signing it and therefore shoved out the door. If that's what happens crystal was the only smart oil. Yeah and man own. Yeah because that will come back to haunt them or she got shoved in a box. She's in a box. She's a vauxhall guys. Either way. She's fine she's Fi- yeah like she's probably just living your best life either date or she wants to write a tell book so like whatever she's there she's not so re-live she's fine great not in a box. None of us guys crystal was out in San Lisa. We're in and they signed that contract that crystal wanted to go over with lawyer. After they sign the contracts they celebrated their soon to be success and celebrations were short lived however leader the same day that they sign their contracts. Lisa found out that her father was shot and killed in a drunken argument. Why not same day crazy? That's a fucking roller coaster of emotion Holy Shit especially because she had a really terrible relationship with her dad so like the feelings. You never really come to terms with those feelings. You know whether you had a good relationship with the deceased parent or not. I think you actually come to a better place. If you did have a good relationship with your parents did or did not did. Oh Yeah but still. Losing a parent is very is still. I mean like in the way he died two is really insane so he was in a fight with. Yeah I think he yeah he was shot. I think it might have been outside of a bar. I'm not really sure but the I. He got into an argument with somebody in the just shot him in a parking lot. That's awful her way of dealing with her father's death was to put everything into making this group work and also drinking a lot. Yeah that sounds about right. Yeah I know that feel now. They crystal was gone. They needed to find a new third member and quick pebbles would find that in Redonda. Oh sealion Thomas. She has a very complicated. Melanie later known as chilly. Who is a backup? Dancer for the group Damian Dame which happens to be on the face. Records resigned was born on February twenty seventh nineteen seventy-one and is a native. Atlantan growing up resigned to know her father all she knew his name. Abdul Ali and that he was a soldier in the army her mother Eva. Thomas was only seventeen years old when she became pregnant and Abdul left without even knowing it. Wow but walk. It's a debt issues after. Tlc made a big and everything. Chilly went on Sally Jesse Raphael and met her dad. Good Job Sally just Rafael and found out. She has to two brothers and a sister that she didn't know she had and all that stuff and it was a very very sweet clip. I watch it on Youtube. Also made me Miss Sally Jesse Raphael in her fucking red glasses s jr man. She has great actress up her and Donahue. I watched after school sometimes though dining is kind of Douche he was oh he was a jeff. Shaw Zal yeah not a kind of Douche nozzle I definitely not a regular Douche nozzle. Oh Cool Dude. He's A to. Nfl Anyway resigned. Grew poor with a single mother and her great grandmother had a big hand in raising her. Her Great Grandmother also introduced her to the seventh day. Adventist Church for better or worse Yeah we've up leave it. There is going about their in school. Resigned was often ridiculed because of her looks Lake Tebas. She just wasn't black enough for some people. Oh her father was of Bengali and Middle Eastern descent while her mother was black but it was difficult to explain that to her bullies because she didn't know her father But like even if you did not like guys thank God they all know what the fuck is before fuck you? But that's like pretty awesome. No that's super awesome but kids are dumb and Shitty. Yeah the kids can go fuck. Themselves may sorry kids. Y'All can fucking adults learn not to be an asshole? She persevered through school however and enrolled in college after graduating. She intended to study fashion design. But all of that was put on hold when she heard that pebbles was searching for someone to fill out her new grow group doll. She hit it off with John and Lisa right away and officially signed with the group. In April Nineteen ninety-one the contracts. The girls signed were for production management and publishing deals with pebble tone pebbles management company yet. There's a lot of sand pebbles in this Christ drinking game back to the beginning. Drink EVERY TIME. You hear pebbles yeah. It was a really really bad contract. Where pebbles basically owned everything the girls created including their name? But the girls didn't even think about it ex young they're like what eighteen to twenty at the spam. Waiting Twenty would not have thought of any in a heartbe like I just said. It doesn't matter if they're not going to screw me giving me a record contract to sing and dance and like go on tour with MC hammer and shit yeah fucking signing. I'm signing you're signing. We're all signing assigning. This right now. I don't even need a lawyer. I'm not as smart as Crystal Gad. No Chris C crystal was a fucking smart one. Although she'd rich one shit now no they were more worried about a different problem. They already had the name. Tlc But now that they had so they had to think of something else. Yeah I was. I was wondering about this part. They decided to give themselves nicknames. That would fit. The bill Tian became tebas. Lisa became left. Eye and resigned. Became chilly a name. That Lisa gave her because she was so hot. I mean honestly when you keep telling me that they got made fun of for their looks like why they're gorgeous. Yeah the three of them are Baber. Ham Lincoln's should weighing leak seriously though there so attractive. So why are people making fun of them? They're gorgeous. I don't know you're stupid and jealous. Basically the girls got to work right away on music through their deal with Tone they signed with the face records with a distribution deal through aristotle records. And that's a pretty big deal. The list of writers producers on this album is also impressive. Germain du Pre L. A. Baby Face Marley Marl and Dallas Austin during recording a complicated and drawn out relationship between Chile and Dallas Austin blossomed. I think his name is funny. Dallas Austin actually. Yeah wait a minute. Did they mean to do that? I would have been funnier is that they needed of Texas Austin or Austin Texas for these last name have to be Texas and also L. A.'s. First name is la like all of you have names after cities is just like reation. I'm sure it is like Louis Albatross Lewis Albatross Salvatore Salvia. You manage my. Mamma gave me name a mob and gave me you can call me luebbe troughs luebbe trough although chilly new. Dallas was not the Kinda guy to keep it in his pants and she was constantly jealous of women hanging around him. They continuously broke up and got back together girl. Why don't you just to go to? Here's Tangun just don. He's going to cheat on you than ever got chewed on him or just go find somebody else. There's plenty you're just a baby bird. Trying to get your beak would yeah. After recording was over Chile found out. She was pregnant with Dallas trial. We Shit considering. She was only twenty years old and on the brink of stardom this was a pretty compromising position to be in yeah knows compromising gutter in their whole whether by Dallas Austin himself or her management or the group or whatever. She decided to have an abortion a decision she later said she regretted. Yeah and you just. You did what you think you had to do you. Can't I understand regretting it but you also can't dwell on too much rate because you have a out of the way it did. Yeah and I'm not even talking about the stardom but I think she had a lot of good things happen to her life and she could've easily just as much regretted it if she did. Have the baby. That's kind of a catch. Twenty two about a situation like that like young. And you're not going to be happy with whichever result you pick exactly always gonNA wonderful. What if I didn't do that? There's plenty of big decisions in your life like that right. She barely had time the process the abortion before. Tlc's first album Luwan the TLC tip debuted on February twenty fifth nineteen ninety-two. Oh which is happy birthday to me the day after my birthday. Yeah but also. That album is twenty eight years old tomorrow tomorrow or yesterday. Yeah yesterday for you. Listening Twenty eight. Yeah and that's a great album by the way. Yes that is a solid fucking jam. Indeed what about your friends? Oh Yes oh so good. It peaked it only number fourteen on the billboard. Two hundred but it would eventually go cool wide drubel platinum honestly fourteen for a debut from van goods from like these young women. Three young black women in this old little weird for the time exactly so now. This was good. Yeah three top. Ten singles ain't too proud to beg baby baby baby and my personal favorite. What about your friends? What about your friends? So what about them catapulted? Tlc into astronomical levels of popularity. Oh yeah a big part of their appeal was their image. They were tough and tomboyish but superfund inaccessible. Their message was positive in grounded. They supported safe sex. But we're overtly sexual. At all right there close had the exact opposite appeal. Massively oversized shirts and pants. Doc MARTENS BANDANNAS giant hats. None of this said I'm here to corrupt your child's minds but it also was super trendy right and they also cover themselves in condoms. Which is like Joe Safe Sex right? I do believe I had no idea that they were condoms. Nope no no just oddly placed polka dots. I I had no idea what I thought they were but I did not think they were condoms to know what they were there. Videos were on heavy rotation on MTV and they were booked for their first national tour opening for MC Hammer luck yes. There album was selling like hotcakes. So they were thinking yes. We're millionaires. Yeah of course. That's IT wrong. What very wrong. No way the girls were starting to realize their contracts were probably pretty bogus. And they weren't and they were getting cheated out of money away because they were plagued put on a weekly allowance and it was like. I don't know how true it is. But they're they're official movie. Not The not a documentary. It was like a movie that told the story of TLC And it was. It was their official one. That Tebas and chilly willy. Like were consulted. Say They didn't director but they know but they were. I don't think they didn't write it but like they stories that yet I. I don't stay but in that movie. They said that pebbles only gave them twenty five dollars a week each for whatever they wanted handy and so like what the. Fuck can you get for twenty five dollars to get some Bazooka? What are you gonNA get tebas about all I can fucking afford? Maybe a can of beans can be fucking eat it la- Campfire fire fight of their tour. Fires Start Them? She is so we haven't gotten there yet. No no spoilers. Their main issue was with pebbles herself. Who seemed to be spending a lot of money but not paying her clients The appeal to La read expressing their dissatisfaction with pebbles and desire to get a new manager La even though pebbles was his wife Agreed and although they stayed with Pebble Tone. Pebbles was removed as as their manager. Wow she did however retain the right to royalties So she was still getting that money. Yeah but at least like at that point I would imagine. Tlc getting the money as well you would think. Oh God but I'm GonNa keep that under my belt and Go on a Commercial Break Hari. And then we'll keep on going when we get back all right. It's a tasty tasty part when we get back into painting. We'll be right back and we're back we back a nice break nestle break. Would you guys do on your break? We breathe 'cause you can't breathe into these microphone. Just pick up everything. So let's let's continue with very tasty juicy part of this story. Oh my God what happened. Is it crystal? Did you come back out of the box? Crystals out of the box crystal in the box crystal out of the box. He's a good horror movies. Czar you could take them credits to say. Inspired by true podcast. Yeah so yeah. In the meantime. Love was in the air. For Lisa she started dating Andre Rice and Wide Receiver for the Atlanta Falcons football filled Madden John John Madden. It's John Madden. Where's IT James Man? No you confuse me. Yesterday with the same thing confirmed it was John Madden. I don't know football and Pigskins pigskins. Yeah wow no TLC anyway. Lisa Andre Reisen. There was a great beautiful relations. Joe And the test of time. Why on no way? Their relationship was tumultuous to say the least from day. One day one. They fought constantly and Lisa accuse Andre of emotional physical abuse on countless occasions but abuse wasn't the only problem. The couple had Andre was extremely possessive of Lisa but he was also a flirt in a cheater and Lisa's jealousy. Temper was a force to be reckoned with. This is a real mixture that you don't want. Yeah this is basically just putting gasoline just dumping it on that fire your cooking beans on your theory being fired wires too big so you fuck up some bees. Yeah on June ninth. Nineteen ninety-four wait didn't she? She did actually call the COPS ON HIM. A couple times. Oh Yeah like. He was actually beating the shit out of her. He was legit abusing her. Yeah like this isn't just like accusations. There is proof there are on at least one occasion. She called the cops like filed a restraining order against him or something or he was arrested on domestic abuse charges. Black I at one point. Yes Yeah Look. He was fucking garbage person. Yeah he was not a cool dad he. I don't think he was dad. He should be just garbage. God I hope you shouldn't have kids. He probably does Lord help them. It's fine he plays football and as long as he's really good. It doesn't matter what he does. I'm pretty sure he he. He had to have retired long ago. Probably I don't know what yours ninety four ninety four. There's no way he's playing anymore has twenty million concussions now just dark spots all along brain basically on June ninth nineteen ninety four. The final Straw was had according to Lisa. They had an intense fight After a night out and Andrea was physically abusing her. Lisa took several pairs of Andres brand. New Shoes didn't the fight. Start over the shoes. I don't know I thought I had read or saw something once for. They fought over the shoes because she wanted shoes. Hsieh's yes she was pissed off on a shit ton of shoes and she's like why. Fuck you have all these shoes? Their brand new. How did you get these and Lisa? Do you have any money right? That point so like she was kind of relying on Andrei for money. I don't know why say forrest gump a month. Yeah we're not talking about shoes. Yes but I just wanted to clarify. I feel like that was even like how the argument initially started taking could have been. There are differing stories everywhere fair so I just diplomatically. Said she just took the shoe. She's shoes she took the shoes brand issues Through them in the TUB douse lemon lighter. Fluid and set them on fire. She didn't anticipate that the fiberglass TUB would melt allowing the fire to spread. And you know what? She did what she do. Lisa done part house down. She did though. She burned the house down. Lisa dumb burn the house down and that is our favorite thing to say. Yeah I mean honestly. We've been waiting over two years to say yeah. It was good. Yeah Lisa burn the house down to though like legit. That was everywhere. It was big fucking news. If you Google Entree risings house you will see a house on fire. It's not even on fire. It's just half of a house because it was on fire and now it's half gone we in the Revenue Shit. Burn the whole fucking house down. Well he deserves it. Stop by and all those fucking shoes. Man Stop beating the shit out of her meeting. Maybe that's what she can do sure. She's just an irrational woman Ashley. She's just having her period. She was hysterical. She's hysterical no like Jennifer Lopez. She had enough. Enough was based on Lisa. We wasn't no fake news here for us. We're here for all your fake news needs anyway. Lisa was subsequently arrested and charged with first degree arson. But nobody fucking arrested Andre for by too many shoes also. Nobody arrested Andrei any of the time that she was like. Hey He's beating me. Can I have are straining wanted? Please he did once as far as I know. There was one of like a time when he was arrested for domestic violence. Yes may I have one restraining order please? May I have another no? You get arrested this time I did it. This is bullshit. It was accidental arson. I mean the shoes were intentional. She intentionally set the shoes on. Yeah but she didn't WanNA play. She didn't want it done. Burn the house down well so she was convicted and sentenced to five years of probation and was forced to go to Rehab for her alcoholism. Which okay that's fair. Your thoughts fair. The Rehab was actually a halfway house where she underwent therapy and that had a huge impact on her. None of us to get away from Andre though the couple reconciled and continue to date off and on for seven years on why nobody was like Maybe we shouldn't like put this in magazines and newspapers and stuff immature. It's almost like you know when a famous person beats up there also famous significant other Maybe we should all I duNno. Hold them accountable and not keep celebrating like thorough musician. Report Ninety Eight Zero Magazine. No clicks together. You're like Oh my God. How are they back together Omega? She forgave him. Oh my God what is this like? Maybe we should. Actually I duNno. Give a shit about someone. Safety envy hold somebody accountable for their shitty action. All they can still be famous musicians. It's fine yeah yeah talking about you. Chris Brown yeah. Go Fuck yourself your piece of fucking garbage. And I don't understand. Chris Brown apologised. But you're cool. Whatever go for it. Some shitty things about that in particular is that when we continuously give attention to these people in Essentially. Forgive them for the bullshit like we. We basically forgiven him for beating the shit out of Riana when we review that that makes it so much easier for people like Riana to continue going back to him which is what she did and the same within. Here's again the same thing Lisa. Yeah nobody stepped is like what are you do way yeah? Nobody focused on the fact that she burned his house down because he was beating the shit out of her. Yeah everyone just focused on crazy. Lisa burn houses down. She's just beyond her period moon blood. She howling at the moon when she did it. Jesus like stop thinking things like that and think about why she fucking did it. Yeah there's got to be a reason it's not just because she's an arsonist maybe if somebody abuses their significant other they should suffer re real repercussions. Yeah maybe maybe maybe like an NFL. Players shouldn't be allowed to come and play if they're going to like abuse kill people and animals. Yeah if you WANNA know why. We don't watch football there's a list also concussions like stop black spots all over your brain blackspot slacks while Lisa was in Rehab. The group with went back into the studio to record crazy sexy cool which turned out to be an even bigger hit for them. The album was released on November Fifteenth. Nineteen ninety-four to huge success. Oh my God huge pray that and massive radio and MTV play. That album is an iconic album. Yeah that for I. I feel like for everybody growing up in the nineties. I remember my sister playing this album like repeatedly for every evening all evening. Yeah Oh my God no. I listened to the cassette tape constantly up thing at the take that remember those I do. Magin get out of here kids. I told you come back to your grown up and children. Worldwide sales for crazy sexy cool tipped over to twenty three million copies if used three top five hits and two number one hits creep and of course waterfalls which is arguably the group's biggest hit. I mean like I said he's going to argue with me. No no I was GONNA say. That's that's pretty definitive. Yeah yeah the music video is iconic. And the Song's message which deals with gang violence in HIV as still resonates today and the girls were tackling more grownup issues on this album. And their image reflected that gone were the cartoonish oversized tomboy close and in came sexier outfits and impeccable make-up God this hunter image boosted t buzzes self esteem at a critical time. Her health continued to go downhill She said the anemia was making her lose so much weight that she would wear multiple layers multiple pairs of pants just to make it look like she had hit and when I forgot to put this in my nose I don't know why but when they were on tour with MC Hammer. That was the first time the girl saw her have this really bad attack. caused by her sickle cell sickle cell anemia. Oh my God. She collapsed backstage before a show and they had no idea what was wrong because she never told anybody that she had the the condition. So that's something you tell people something you tell you where medical bracelet for that. Shit. Yeah get like tattooed on your chest or something. I don't know but In the early nineties like nobody knew what the fuck that was so? You're you're not bryce figured at this point or lifelike. She'd been doing fine. She's young she could control and she didn't want anybody like the e being her about it. She didn't want anybody making concessions for her. She wanted to pull her own weight just like everybody else. Well good for her but also take care of yourself. Yeah you don't WanNa claps on tour and have everybody say what happened and then ended up in the hospital in probably create more problems for you and the group because you're stuck in a hospital. Yeah waterfalls was written by Lisa along with collaborators Marquees ethridge and Organiz noise however Lisa didn't have a whole lot of input into the album as a whole. She was in Rehab during recording. So she wasn't there to collaborate. This led to some tension within the group. Oh with Lisa feeling left out in like her ideas weren't being acknowledged like Lisa left out nevertheless crazy. Sexy cool one. The girls two grammys but that night. Those winds were not what made headlines. Everyone was talking about their backstage speech in which they finally told them media about their money woes they literally told reporters that they entered into an unfair record contracts and while they were busing their assets to have the careers they have they were still quote unquote broke. His broke can be. Yeah so they're out here. Finally exposing now I mean not like. They're the first but they're people the artists who are exposing how up the industry contracts are not fair at all and the artist rarely is the one that benefits the most and they will rarely speak out about that right. They're afraid to lose what little they do have. Yeah I think they're either. Their manager or Elli Reed himself was like they're just off camera while making the speech and a reporter pointed out there like they're standing right there and they're like we don't fucking care this. Our record contract is bullshit and we're not making any money. Can you see? This is the most successful album. Probably of the ninety s there. They were standing there each of them holding two grammys. And they're like we. These things prove that we have successful careers and yet we don't have the money to show it. Yeah we're still like getting by week by week. Exactly they were so broke then on. How broke were they face? They were so broke. How broke were today? That on July Third Nineteen ninety-five. Tlc officially filed for bankruptcy even has to borrow fifteen thousand dollars each from Andre Risen to file the bankruptcy papers. I mean I guess it is warm. Running came in. Isn't it ironic that you have to pay fifteen thousand dollars to file for bankruptcy? Don't you think it is ironic? Not just a bummer. That fifteen thousand dollars a file for bankruptcy that you had to borrow from your friends abuser in really sucks shitty situation that we never should have been in. What is it? Figures very big album of the nineties? He does figure it really does figure figure. Yeah like everyone else at the time. You're probably saying to yourself. Therein Insanely Successful Musical Act. How did they find themselves so destitute that they had to file for bankruptcy well? Let's talk about the contracts. Let's go into it. While the main reason was terrible contract with the face they only gave them fifty six cents per album sold which may sorry which they had to split three ways. I'm sorry I'm just sorry period. Don't not even a comma. That's a period. I don't even know. Yeah that's yeah so go albums for like twenty bucks back an and the sense sense. So fifty six cents. You say that sounds entirely miniscule and your rights It is for those might not know how album sales work. Here's a quick breakdown of the album sale revenues in TLC's case local through the break down. This is the good part of the song. There are one hundred points assigned to each individual album. Sold points are assigned to different people that worked on the album. Touched it in some way that means the artists producers session musicians the record label managers the mixers engineers. Everyone like that gets points while each point equals eight cents. Tlc As a group got seven points per album eight times. Seven equals fifty six cents math math. We did it so if they sold ten million albums that equals five. Point six million dollars. Total okay that sounds like a lot But the face. Aristotle and pepe tone forced the group to pay report recuperation 's meaning. Tlc had to pay them back for the cost of recording manufacturing and distributing the album. I know how you're looking at me right now. As well as touring and extremist expenses like air travel food clothing music videos hair makeup and so on everything that they paid for for. Tlc TLC was made to pay back so basically everything they made. Every went right back into their pockets when right back to the rallies faces la La Faces Pepito of pockets Pepito Fucking factor anymore. Yeah so that left them with two point. Six million dollars after paying everybody back would they need to pay back well now they have to pay taxes on that and their tax bracket is in the forty eighth percentile. Right that was it was that left them with one point. Three million dollars split three ways which equals forty three thousand three hundred thirty three dollars each for one year salary. But that's not all. They still have to pay their managers and they were in the midst of legal battles with pebbles so they were actually in the red for hundreds of thousands of dollars. They were negative flake. Almost a half a million dollars. Cnn Ohio saying before we started that like my stomach was feeling hangovers going. It's all back. All came back came rushing back. I'll coming back to you now. Yeah it is another big apple nine so I mean even if they even if they just got that net income after they paid la- face and pebble toning everything still forty three thousand dollars. Each is nothing I make more than we have an office job. We both definitely make more a public servant and I make more than that. We are not creatives that anyone gives a shit about right excess. We have this podcast. This certainly does not make us any money truth. The girls found a new manager. That actually gave a shit about them though. Legal troubles with pebbles lasted for over two years. Wait a minute do you think? After they made that announcement on the grammy's just managers were coming through the woodwork. Like Hey I'll save you see girl. Hey girl hey girl babe hey babe. I'm totally going to get you out of the stall. We're GONNA do this together. You and me. The legal battles resulted in their contract with the face being renegotiated and the contract with Tone getting ripped up couples again retain royalties on future releases like if you want to give them to her on past releases fine but future Gopher Yak yourself pebbles leak I now I don't like your music go fuck yourself and also your husband is the head of the record company. He still getting money. You're arguably a musician of sorts. Right go to your own things. The fucking piggybacking off other people at least a manager. She's managing other acts. Yeah so for knocking off. Get Out of here pebbles. Whose name is pebbles. Anyway we're S- Bam Bam habits Bam Bam your ass on out of here but I do want some fruity pebbles. You know yeah. I don't like cereal cereal. So the yeah. The girls found themselves a new manager while on their new manager. GotTa meet of their new manager immediately. Got Them on a new tour and actually generated revenue and managed to get them out of the hole that they were in a manager. Doing its job. They continued working making music. Pretty much anywhere. Someone would let them. They recorded the theme to the NICKELODEON show. All that Oh and appeared on the thoroughly. Superb waiting to exhale soundtrack. Oh my God. That's such a good soundtrack. Though one of the best soundtracks has ever existed. Id I've never even seen the movie I don't need to. I got the soundtrack yeah I got Winnie. I got shuck. Akon Hurson Tony. He'll see I got Tony. I know all of them shits all them shots so good. Meanwhile Chilean Dallas Austin's on and off again relationship was on and was soon turning into a family on June. Second Nineteen ninety-seven chilly gave birth. Keep pregnant she was Propganda Nance and she gave birth to their son Tron. But what's his name Tron like the Disney movie? Yes okay. Was it originally Disney movie. The original Tron. I believe so from like the ilise. Yeah all right need to me. They named him after Disney movie. Yeah good for them. I like it okay. Choices but their relationship finally ended for good shortly after his birth in on Tebas Zen. Her health was getting any better and she could see it. Interface which inspired her to write the song on pretty pretty would appear on. Tlc's third album fanmail. They decided to give it that name as a tribute to all of their amazing fans that stuck by them through all the bullshit of the previous few years. The mail they would get from fans was a huge inspiration and helped keep them going through all their legal troubles. Stephen put the names of hundreds of fans on the album. Artwork that's awesome. I'd actually never saw the artwork for the album sell. I don't think I have either. Maybe I did not buy this album. Either I'm pretty sure I was thoroughly into the new metal. Oh Point Jefferson and really liked. I really liked the video for like no scrubs and stuff. I like the futuristic thing that they are doing because this futuristic thing was an idea that Lisa had very early on in their career. She wanted to do this. Futuristic Shit back like when they first got chilly in the Group. I wonder if she saw the movie. Tron. Maybe maybe she suggested that for your call name now. I just have this whole Canon of like Lisa's like I'm going to get one of them in their kid tron. I love that movie. It's the Beim. Listen to my fucking ideas out game. Name Your Kid Tron. I wouldn't do it and she does. So I'M GONNA burn this house down below but I but I remember this house of kid try. I'm alleged you burn this house down but I let me 'cause you name your kid trump right. I mean I really like this Canon. We've come up for Lisa. She's she interrupt. She's an interrupting Kanye before. Kanye wiscon- yes but also much better at it. Yeah definitely I remember. The Music View on pretty too though is very sweet and also kind of reminded me of butterfly by crazy town because they had like the same like jungle early backyard. Only you're right there. I just remember. We'd have the different scenarios of women who were doing things themselves to make themselves prettier. Yes and I remember the Boob Job. Wanted to hear a fight me and that was what made. Besides the fact that I've got big jugs already. Yeah was like. I'm never getting a BOOB job. Oh Yeah. Because they like the power they pull the silicone. Alex I think it got infected or something right holy shit terrifying. That was pretty terrifying and I was like. I do remember watching that. This is a bit too real for me. Terrifying face started work on. Am L. in April. One thousand nine hundred but work was delayed due to friction with Dallas Austin friction. Clever name anymore. Not you're just dumb. Friction was inevitable considering Dallas's outrageous demands. Four point two million dollars and full creative control. What is like how are you? Is he still helping to right at this point? Yeah he is but like four point. Two million dollars in full creative control. Do you really think they'd go for that. No no no can do no Hollywood that Shit. There's three strong independent women they don't get You Dallas Austin. Why don't you go your ASS BACK TO HOUSTON? I believe it's Fort Worth Fair Rea- We all know by now the TLC was not down someone else having full control over their music. Even a longtime friend like Dallas legal battles ensued and recording was put on hold. In the meantime the girls worked on other projects. Chilean tebas worked on the films have plenty belly respectively and Lisa started her own. Production company called left eye productions. She signed another female. Are Mb group called BLACK SPELLED? B. L. A. Q. U. E. O. Who released a platinum selling album under her supervision? Lisa also started and hosted. The MTV reality show called the cut where bands singers pop acts competed for a record deal and music video. Actually vividly remember the show. Why don't I don't know why but I really liked it and I watched the whole thing. There's an aspect of it. That would be interesting. Yeah I really liked the the group that one and the runner up. I don't know if you remember her but it was anesthesia. Gav vaguely yeah. She was the runner up and she ended up having like a big career. Kind of on the same vein as Robin I think. Yeah but she was more popular in Europe than she was. Here seems to be Acura. Yeah and lease also started diving into her family history trying to find a connection with her deceased father through his connections to Honduras where they have family Eventually TLC started working with other producers. Get their new album recorded and finally released Fan Mail in February nineteen ninety nine. I remember that. The song's no scrubs. Unprincely scored the girls a third and fourth number. One single. If you want to hear more about no scrubs you can listen to our now. That's what I call music episode from last year because we talked about that. Hobbit we did well doing press for the album. Lisa expressed that she felt stifled in. Tlc in which to do more of her own thing since she was in Rehab for a lot of recording for crazy sexy cool and she was reduced to only doing wraps and fan mail. She felt her input with severely diminished. Yeah that's fair. Was there still tension around this? Oh Oh yeah I feel like. I don't know what the ages are but from what I had seen of like. You know the behind the music or any interviews. It always kind of felt to me like Chilean Tebas. Kind of treated left. I like a little sister. Yeah but at the same time Lisa kind of acted like younger than them. Shoes like the off the wall bonkers. Kinda little sister and Tebas and Chile were the more mature older sisters. Kinda just like when we can't control her. She's going to do whatever she wants to do. Well Blah but behind the scenes like left. I was getting really annoyed and just pissed off because she felt like she wasn't being heard right. And that's fair. Yeah I mean. She's clearly got enough creative talent. Why don't you have a little bit? More control yeah and they were finally doing that. Intergalactic idea with the no scrubs video but that wasn't enough for Lisa. She still felt that the group asked for an implemented her ideas but didn't allow her equal opportunity to express herself within the group Not Helping matters was her new relationship with a dude called Marshall. Lorenzo Martin Okay. This guy was one hundred percent a bad influence on Lisa giving her advice on everything from hereon makeup to her business decision. I don't think you get to dabble at all. Yeah oh he. Continuously Fed her lines that she was better than Tebas and chilly and that they didn't give a shit about her and goaded her into pursuing a solo career. Yeah let me tell you about how. Somebody's in your life and they're telling you the people who've been in nearly for a long time or no good and bad for you and they don't like you respect you. Let me tell how this is a bad idea? We'll tell you how ya not great for you. Yeah probably want whatever you have whatever success you have said they can ride them. Yeah in late. Nineteen Thousand Nine VIBE magazine published a statement from Lisa. Where she said she no longer she could no longer stand behind. Tlc One hundred percent because she felt the music wasn't hers. Tebas and Chile responded in entertainment. Weekly saying quote left is only concerned about left eye and entertainment weekly published leases. Reply all my God. A derivative letter. not a derivative letter targeting. Chilean tebas quote. I challenge Tionne player. Walk Ins and Rozan data hater. Thomas Oh my Gosh Album. Entitled The challenge. A three CD set that contains three solo albums. Each album will be due to the record label by October. First two thousand. I also challenge producer Dallas Though manipulator Austin and. She's not wrong about that wrong to produce all of the material and do it at a fraction of his normal rate as I think about it. I'm sure the face would not mind throwing in a one point. Five million dollar prize for the winner. Okay now our now we're GONNA see here's the thing when I started saying. That actually sounds really cool like a three. Cd set his name. You're like oh he's being mean she gets to the face and I'm like I mean I guess I don't have any problem with her bashing Dallas because fuck him but I'm like Oh all right. Well the stopped being a really cool idea. This is a cool idea anymore. Lisa you're burning the house down again. Yeah they should've just called it. Are We having fun yet? What is the DAD jokes tonight? Oh yeah the challenge never happened. Obviously yeah unfortunately I think I think in general. The challenge would have been cool. It could have been cool if they were like good hearted about it. Yeah no no I know. That's not coming from a good place. It's coming from Alice. And the feud finally died down when Marshall exited stage right. Someone not entirely sure who found out that Marshall was married and told Lisa how she didn't know I don't know so motherfucker was Mary. Yeah he was fucking married and Lisa didn't know and somebody found out and told her I told her but also like come on but also how did you not know in his his wife? Okay with this like I have a lot of the question. That's the thing I in on it together. I maybe what what was the deal with this guy. I have so many questions. He was probably like really good at hiding like. Oh baby at Scott. Some business or got to take care of I'LL BE BACK YEP AKA. I have to go home to my family. Drop off some money to my wife and kid got some diapers yeah gross. She promptly separated from him. Ladies went about their business albeit separately they continue to perform TLC but each member had their own solo agenda. I mean that kind of just happens to in groups right especially after you have this much success. Yeah I mean they kind of made it three albums. What can you do well? Let's see what I can do on my own. Tebas for one found out that she was Gannon. Ans- around the eating of two thousand. Her father was rapper. Mack ten her father was like wait. Father was rapper mack. Ten who've been dating for a while when she found out about the baby NYSC miraculous accident as Tebas was told since she was a kid that she'd never be able to have children let alone lived till the age of thirty. Jesus Christ yeah. It was a dismal childhood eighties word of good timeframe still Tebas AMAC ten married on August. Nineteenth two thousand and their daughter chase was born prematurely a few months later on October twentieth. They would eventually divorce in two thousand and four with Tebas alleging abuse at the hands of Mac ten. Can We stop hitting women? That'd be great. I mean that was just fucking wonderful. Stop hitting each other for. Just throw that out there. At the same time Lisa was busy recording solo album called SUPERNOVA. It was initially released in Europe. Sales were poor consequently the US release of the album was canceled. Oh what was? Successful was her collab- with Mel C of Spice Girls. So yeah they're song never be. The same again reached number one around the globe. I don't remember Song I don't either. I don't think it was number one in the U. S. so around the globe except here up here. 'cause why would we pick a good song played here? I mean like what was the two thousand one to yet no Yeah about two thousand thousand two thousand one all right so I mean like we're getting to the point where it's like. I'm sorry is this. Is this rock. Is this black eyed peas. You want it but I believe this is also around the time. When Chile started dating usher and that was laying the big thing 'cause then he came out with confessions and everybody thought that confessions was all about chilly. But it wasn't about Chile. I didn't know that actually well. I mean there's nothing to know 'cause it wasn't about Chile. These aren't his confession. It's despite the disappointment of her first album. Liza started working on a second one. At this point she was no longer solo artists with aristotle but rather signed a solo deal with death row records. All that's right and in the strangest yet. Most awesome sounding collaboration ever. She began work on the album with David motherfucking. Bowie. What yeah what. She started working with David Bowie. I'm sorry but David Bowie. That sounds amazing but we comma. David I want it. I know we never happens flipping tables. I'm leaving she's May she yukon. House Downtime Gone Not Mine I'm I am real. Your sign on Jay writes in his out. Starters I J rising by Burning House down this is for Lisa and also the fact that I will never get a fucking with her and David Bowie and it would be fucking amazing. Just the thought of it is mind blowing. I wish ever told me that. I'm very sorry at the same time. Tlc's manager negotiated a short tour in Europe and Japan that would generate twenty five million dollars for them. However Lisa turned it all down. She needed quote spiritual healing time with previously planned trip to Honduras. I mean all right. She was doing a lot of spiritual stuff at this point. Yeah she was really trying to work on herself. This was like her growing up time. Yeah this was her. I need to find my shit. Everything and figure out what's going on in China came back from the whole alcoholism thing and she's like. I've gotTA do some self searching. She was taking her shit. She's getting it all together. Oh yeah it was all their shoes? Putting in a backpack nicest backpack bringing it to the. Shit's store Yup or the ship museum and then to the ship museum shoes just getting it together now. Her shirt was together. She got her shit together stood and during that trip. She filmed documentary. That explored spirituality and familial connection to the country and just as Lisa was rebuilding her relationship with her bandmates. A series of events would change. Everyone's lives forever. Lisa was in Honduras for a second visit when on April six two thousand two at around nine PM Lisa. Her personal assistant and a couple of others were driving in Honduras when their vehicle struck and killed a ten year. Old Boy that boy. Baron e solve winters logo was walking along the roadside with his sisters when leases assistant who is driving hit him. Lisa was incredibly distraught over the incident. She paid for the boy's medical care and funeral expenses and more than the boys loss with his family. No one blames her or her assistant for the boy's death but of course she still felt immense guilt right. I mean how can you not right but apparently that was something that kids in Honduras did a lot? They would walk at night along the road and people just kind of new to look out for them And I guess the roads in Honduras are notoriously like really bad extremely wind e end of her documentary and yeah they show them driving around. And those aren't real role. You're you have to have a jeep or some kind of off road vehicle. You can't have a there's no regular cars. They are all wrote cards. Cars made for off roading. Yeah their religious paths. Yeah they it's not a road. There's no if you're thinking of like a regular pave two lane road with shoulders on either side. It's not it. There's no shoulder there's barely enough room for two vehicles. So yeah it's not and it's pretty easy to just go fast at night. There's nobody else really around and if you don't know there's going to be kids how you're not going to not look for that right. That being said only two weeks later another tragedy occurred on April twenty fifth. Two thousand two. Lisa was driving a rented Mitsubishi. Suv down a road. In less Seibu Hunduras. A disabled truck was stopped in the road. She swerved left to avoid the truck then immediately swerved right to avoid an oncoming car. She lost control of her SUV which rolled several times before hitting two trees. Lisa died instantly from a fractured spine and open cerebral trauma which basically means that some kind of object was sleek driven into her brain at a high velocity and caused a severe head injury. I didn't know that yet. Haven't a cameraman and her younger sister were in the car at the time and both survived with minimal injuries. The cameraman was filming at the time of that so everything was caught on film after her death. The documentary the last days of left eye was released and the footage. The cameraman caught during the accident. Oh my God he did you watch it. I did not watch it. I don't know if I could. I want to because I want. I'm very curious to see. I want everything to that. I don't think I can watch. I met like the the actual probably have a hard time watching her with the going to. There's like a scene. Where she they show her going to the funeral. Home to pick out the kids casket so I don't know if I would be able to watch that but that's like you have to be in a mode for that movie. Oh yeah you have to know? You're going to be like probably a little bit traumatized by the end of it. Yeah that's Jesus Christ. Yeah I didn't realize I actually was always like Tam. Like how did she die instantly? But a lot of other people survive. I think it was the fact way that like. She hit the tree when I didn't realize that she actually ended up with so many injuries. Something actually going into her skull. I don't know if I can actual extract to the head. Yeah like I think it was straight to the headed and forceful enough that. Yeah uh as like a gaping open wounds moorhead. Yeah I mean Yeah. Yeah whether it was. Yeah it wasn't like crowbar straight through her skull or anything. It was just a very severe open wound head. God the that's all I didn't realize that happen. Yeah that's Yeah. Yeah and she basically snapped her neck also. She's she died instantly which is kind of a blessing. You'RE GONNA these. Don't feel anything. Yeah don't have to deal with pain. Or The scariness of everything exactly cheese Chili and Tebas were understandably distraught over leases death. Chilean particular stated. She drove into a deep depression for awhile and they knew they couldn't stop. Though they had an obligation to and honestly sometimes work helps. Get you out of your depression. Before Lisa died she'd already finished her vocals on two songs for a new. Tlc album using those vocals along with vocals recorded for two other unreleased songs. Tlc put together a new album. Three D was released on November twelfth. Two thousand two. It did well going two times platinum but didn't match the success of their previous records. Maybe people were still just to saddle releases death to embrace new. Tlc album without her. Yeah I could see that. I mean the post Death Mercury out a queen album after framework night button do as well but yeah I think it would because everyone is like oh ship and there's still there's still some vocals like it's still them but right. Maybe there's something about postmortem that makes people just to sad. Maybe we can really set years later so I just wonder if maybe there's just something about when somebody's Day you're like I can't or it's just it's just not the same without them. Yeah that's fine. I mean I got that needed. No matter what yeah in two thousand six. Tebas health took a scary turn. Not only was. She still dealing with the ups and downs of Anemia. But she was now diagnosed with a brain tumor. Yeah she said it happened really fast. All of a sudden all of our senses just stopped working. She couldn't see here talk or walk on her own. And it took three years to recover from it. Holy Sh- brain tumors and a fucking joke though. Yeah and reading about hers scared the Living Shit out of me because she said that she would get really really bad headaches And you know. She just assume that they were headaches. Migraines or whatever I get really bad migraines all the fucking time right so hearing other people's stories about having brain tumors and Shit and she said she said that she couldn't walk her speaker anything like that and that happened to me once so it doesn't hurt to go to the doctor it. Yeah go to the Doctor. Go to the doctor just like. Hey this is happening. Wants to do brand scam. That'd be great. Thanks Novi Wonderful. Also the girls got into the reality. Tv business again. In recent years with Tebas doing the short lived show totally Tebas two thousand twelve or whatever short lived. Because that's a terrible name. Totally Tebas you have to flip your hair when you say totally tebas. It documented her health issues in trying to reconnect with her father. But after six episodes she decided to call it quits. Okay Lee she. She made that choice. Yeah so that's not bad. Won't Tebas was doing that. Chile doubled down on her seventh day. Adventists stuff okay. She's apparently involved with seventh day. Adventist TV programming and was has recently become close with Doug batchelor host. The propaganda show amazing facts in clear winner in every lurch locally contests that ever existed. He's a scary looking motherfucker with an eyebrow ridge for days in a super creepy mustache bachelor. Doug Bachelor okay. Oh Yeah. Don't watch amazing facts. It's fucking garbage is it? Is it all just bullshit? It's all fucking bullshit. Cool sorry Chile. Sorry but no. And June thirtieth twenty seventeen. Tlc Self titled Fifth Album was released and this is supposedly the group's last album however they've lied about that ship before 'cause in the last however many years since Lisa died it's like every few years or like. Yeah we're not doing. Tlc anymore and then a year later they'd be like we're back and they keep doing the like. I love the nineties tours. And stuff like that right. They say it's their last album. Hologram left eye up their horn for years. They're doing Hologram Whitney Houston so we'll talk about that. If you're a Patriot member you to hear. Us talk about thoughts but yeah so we'll see if TLC has really gone forever. I mean thorough. He's kind of around. Yeah they're always in our hearts God. Hey a really tumultuous story and when we think about them it makes us wanNA fart. Say Right or pay the price by Tam. That is a Kinda Kinda here now. Kind of loading Yeah no Lisa left eye. Death was really sad for us because we grew up with I always Sir I. I always associate her death with elise because they were very similar in around the same time. Yeah late nineties early. Two thousands and I feel like the both died in vehicular accidents of some sorts of probably could have been prevented. A could certainly have been prevented absolutely both of them. Yeah 'cause Eliya died in a plane crash because they overloaded her plane yep because they didn't want to take two of them could have easily taken to. Yeah it's okay to be safe to say that's already fucking save just before can say yes to many young R. and B. Singer style very close together. Yeah it is. It's an yeah it was during our childhoods so that stuck with us. Yeah for sure and you think they're not that much older than US right action. Now they were. They were there there in this. He's now so yeah. There are a bit older. Yeah Sam good for them or they'll be turning fifty this year that yeah yeah. It was about like a thirteen year gap between us. Some good for them. Yeah I hope T- bows and Chile. They're doing good though. Doing good doing good tebas healthier much healthier than she was before. I mean science has gone Far Away. Now Chili's still looks exactly the way she did when she was eighteen years ago. You know what the best part is crystal out of the box in crystals out of the box guys crystals out of the box. It's all matters. She did it. Crystals the clear winner in this story. I don't maybe I don't know if I'd see anyone if she puts out a book or if she has a book out I wanna read it. I don't really know what she would talk about after she left. Tlc who knows? I don't know I wanna know kind of just read it in the bookstore owner. That guy who gets a couple of COFFEES and Caesar House? It's fine thanks for listening. We love you and appreciate you so much and we hope you enjoyed this tale of TLC. Yeah especially if you know. That was a crucial part of your childhoods like it was hours. There's there were a lot more Elements to it than I remember there being. Yeah but then again there behind the music came out like right after they filed for bankruptcy sonacare. They redid it though again right after left. I died. Yeah they must have they do. Yeah they did. But I'm remembering the one they did before she passed. Okay yeah no they. Do you remember talking about the bankruptcy thing so I mean either way you know. We could argue. 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Rock Candy Ep. 114: R.E.M. - Alliteration, Acronyms, Eyebrows

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Rock Candy Ep. 114: R.E.M. - Alliteration, Acronyms, Eyebrows

"Episode coming on up wait we do. Yeah how you bought beer and then we have to do it up. Oh Fan episode based on a beer that we got yes. Okay step so I was like wait to sorry. Drink a lot of beer. I actually don't know I have no idea. I know nothing about. Ram So this is going to be an education because most people don't know anything about rem because they are an exceedingly private banned. Yeah if you WANNA know about the creative process. Yeah that's fine. Tell you about Prime God. Good fucking luck to me. You know what for the past two weeks trying to fucking find things about the band? 'cause private lives. They're not for you. Oh it's too KLAFF's yes right to one client to client clap then two claps. I'm still learning that. Yeah also if you're really bored during this corona virus thing you can call an oates Colino because apparently everybody found out about that today. Pitch walking me like ten years ago. Yeah you can. I think it's seven one nine six two oats. That's the phone number. I've really impressed that you memorized but you can call it. Toll Free All day every day in all night and you can hear me or one of four eater. Man Eater privatize add a touch. I think in maybe family man or the other one. But you'll hear one four. Maybe when my dreams come true her kiss on my list. I don't know I think my list is on that list a so. So if you guys are role board during Corentin also Michael State. We were tricked into thinking. Michael staife rewrote the lyrics to out till it's the end of the world as we know what he did and he did not he just sang to bars of it and then was like here's a PSA on Washington. Wash your handling. No I know I know. Michael Stipe I know I need to wash my hands look. I don't need a warning from you of all people anybody who is low watching you right now doesn't need to be told. I'm sorry but the people who need to be told aren't listening to rem. It's true come for me. 'cause Gen xers are really made to ride out this corona virus here. My Eyes Rolling. Yeah come on Gen xers tell us how like this isn't a big deal. Tell us how you're already prepared to ride this one out by doing nothing like you do for everything all the time you can. Just sit around. Like millennials and boomers right all they do is get upset about millennials and boomers. They might right. I don't do anything. Let me turn off hair. Well we went real hard after Gen xers. I don't know why I was like. Wow this is the train. I'm jumping on that. We thought we had nothing to open up with exercise. Every gen-x are listening has learned. They were like. Are you GonNa Make Fun of me? Yeah you should know by now. We make fun of everybody including ourselves. Yeah I mean Yeah Gen xers we gotTa Punch on You. But like we'll get twenty more ourselves to worry. Yeah don't you worry very disproportionate in your favor. So well could arrive. Candy Weekly podcast bringing you stories entails and sweet treats from the world of music and self deprecation always every titan buckets. And where your hosts Maggie? I'm Ashley and we did it. We finally introduced ourselves within the five minutes. We said the name of the show we introduced ourselves. We fucking did it. Yeah there you go. We were losing it there for a little bit but we got our shit together. Don't fucking day it is anymore and I go into work and we record on the same day changed but I'm just but I don't know what day it is anymore. No idea none but yes so this week. We are discussing the college band of the Gen. Xers and honestly the millennials. I mean there are. There are still kicking when we were in high school and they had their their real hits when we were in elementary Middle School. I would say so. Therefore they were a big part of our growing up. Oh Yeah I mean I highly doubt you hear the are the name. Rem and don't think of at least like five songs. Yeah namely I'm sure so when you hear rem what's the first thing that comes to your mind. I know it's hard because I've been singing man on the moon all night because that's the beer we it's either man on the Moon Everybody Hurts Or actually The one I love comes to my mind a lot or shiny happy people say fucking heat. That's all I got news for you talk about it or a ton we'll dabble. I always go to losing my religion. Oh yeah there's that one too. Yeah Yeah no shiny happy. People definitely makes you WANNA punched in the face like it's it's one of those songs. Where if there is a movie about a serial killer that goes on a rampage? That would be the ironic song that's playing in the background. Honestly good pit and I'm sorry nobody's done that but don't take my idea because maybe one day I'll write a movie about a serial killer down there. There we go. We're finally for fighting. It's my claim to fame. Yeah you're GONNA write that movie serial killer and the famous scene. Shiny happy painful. I got all the time in the world and REM's like you can use it. Shit whenever rory. I'm I feel like they would give a shit. Maybe if it was everybody hurts they propose that would be funny. He might not give a shit. But that's like there's such a private band and I can't get a solid read on them. Yeah at all any of them. Sometimes I watch Michael Staife Oh God. He's probably insufferable. But sometimes I watch him and I'm like on assume maybe he's Kinda cool and Shell. Maybe it's hard to tell and I think they do that on purpose. I think they basically want no one to understand who they are as people. Yeah maybe it's fine. I mean he could be like the nicest person in the world or he could be like moby. I don't know you know what I wonder. If because he's bald and skinny and white he just happens to fall into mobile for US. Kinda yeah. I doubt his insufferable asthma. You look at Michael Stipe. In the first word that flashes up above his head is Vegan. Like he's nuts and I think has that look. He is not open about veganism is he could be. You know but you know at the fact that you don't know means that he still better than moby true there you go there you go also good job good job on them for keeping it. Private misses fucking long. I will get some of the things that weren't as private but yeah which I was like. Oh I didn't know that this is apparently a very big deal. I did not know so. That's funny yeah. So researching them was difficult in terms of getting like personal details So for the episode. I'm kind of covering more. I'm GonNa talk about the music a lot more than normally do the songs songs that we know. I'm going to talk about those a bit more than I normally do. 'cause normally like yeah you know the heads if you don't know that's. I don't know I don't know what today looks them up there. We have the Internet now. You should know yeah I always feel like I don't need to tell you 'cause if you're curious enough just guy spotify and youtube and there's so many avenues you can just go pop song up man alive. What time tie realize? That's what made me so picky about music now. Mike Allison I can listen to whatever I want now. Yeah but even then I can't figure out what I WANNA listen to. Yeah I've things like this like spotify an Amazon Music Shit have made me so spazzy. Yes when it comes to music. Can't sit down and listen to a whole album very rarely. Can I do that anymore? So if it's a brand new album I can do it because I want to listen to this album. Yeah yeah whatever else are spazzy about beer yet because we literally have four beers on our table right now really do but the one. We were drinking for tonight's episode. That inspired today. So is man on the Moon. From four miles brewing. It's on the Bank of the allegheny allegany allegheny from Olean New York or only an here. We're not sure which one it is. Yes we are from the state but we have no fucking clue how to pronounce this pretty western New York and deep western New York. Like what's that dark shadowy place that's western New York there? Yeah off sorry to our western New York listeners. But come on. Do you know where you live. I've spent plenty of time. I know what's up over there but despite this being an Ip it's actually could. It's quite like we're not even shitting you right now. It's really good. I will project the other one it's it's Ip for people who don't like IPA's extremely mild. And I like that. It's like wait if it's not really happy. It's less abuse I don't know I think it's like what is it like to I. It's like. There's there's no hops in it. I mean there are no Hobson it. Ups why the no hops. Now there's clearly not an Easter beer but I'm CH- get out no hops. A one hundred percent knew what you saying and I'm not here for users over fuck over it. In animal. Crossing edited called Bunny Day rotated around Easter dug up so many eggs Easter nicer again. And I just want a bag of all black jelly beans and I can't go out and get one. I'm very upset about insurers plenty laugh. I'm sure they're GONNA be around till Christmas so draw. Do like a target pickup. I'm sure I have no trouble if you do that. Yeah ensure will have no problem. Nobody gets entire bags of black jelly beans. I do yeah. That's it. They make them for you. Could I want them all good? You're getting the ball fine. Good put him in my basement. Fine then go then. I'm going to get us the black delicacies. What the fuck all right. So we have a beer. We have a band. Why don't we tell you the story? Hey let's get into the topic. We came here for sorry guys right many attribute rem as the band that created the blueprint for alternative rock and bringing it out into the mainstream at a time. When Rock was mostly power chords and lyrics about the excesses of life these guys came in with melodic guitars and a guy singing some of the most angst ridden lyrics disguised so many beautiful metaphors very sad. Yeah they that's not what the eighties were. I don't think except for post-punk I don't think Michael Stipe. Michael Stipe smiled at all during the entire decades of the eighties and nineties. No you're right you didn't. I don't even think he's he's smile during the Shiny Happy People which is ironic to say the least. No one knew exactly what to make of them. Still don't yeah but they also knew that. Hey we like this music especially the college crowd. Gen xers coming into their own. Don't like rem was singing about the things important to their lives. I mean because for what it's worth like xers weren't all here for that hair metal shit. Oh No not at all. I think a lot of them were here for like a more intellectual sound or the grunge shit or the grunge shit is what they were really here for. Yeah and let me tell you. This was that bridge into grunge for sure. It really seemed to be a perfect storm of elements falling into place for these guys who instead of crumbling during the transition from eighties to nineties again grunge. They hit their peak and didn't see any real stumbles for a few years and while they may no longer be together after an amicable split in two thousand eleven. I still think they're songs have relevance today and their story should be told So let's do it starts around the end of the seventies in Atlanta Georgia. Were for college. Kids all met up with each other based on their mutual love of music. It wasn't long before they start decided to start a band where they collaborated on songs together. I didn't know that they were from the south. They are but they aren't. We may as well start with the most widely known lead singer. Michael Stipe born January. Fourth nineteen sixty. He was the son of a military dad which resulted in him constantly. Moving around okay. I wouldn't really say he's from anywhere. He Graduated High School in Collinsville Illinois and decided to go to college at the University of Georgia and the city of Athens. Oh Okay Michael. Never saw himself as a singer despite what others would tell him even though he wasn't seeing music as a career at this point he was still really into our and he majored in photography and painting college worthwhile subject. That will totally get you a job. Let me tell you I That's where it is guys. We promise the arts. That's that's what you want to major in. Yeah you get what? You could probably just fucking do that without going to college in. Save yourself a whole lot of fucking money yes yourself anyway sorry them rant but it is funny because Michael was in a few bands back in like high school Guys Really K. Come sing and he's like I can't sing in just doing he's like all right. Which is so weird. Because I always heard that he was such a shy guy. Oh he is. Yeah yeah so I mean again. Why he so private yeah. Michael enjoyed visiting the local independent record store called Walk Street records. Look stree- looks good. I tried so hard to not do that and I really what I went to. I didn't do it. Yes the W you. X T R Y records extremely asking for people to fuck it up. Yeah you know what I didn't doing here asking for people to Elmer. Fudd the shit out of the family. Quiet I am going to walk sweet Wackos. That's fair. Michael was a weird kid and had an ECLECTIC taste in music every visit. He would grab records from the artsy or more obscure artists. Much to the store clerks chagrin. Why Peter Buck was the clerk? Oh and he would usually tuck those records deep into the shelves so anyone else to find. Yeah you wanted them. You label him interested and just like. Tuck them away and he's like nobody's GonNa want this velvet underground record. No which one is the elmer fudd in this situation. Probably Peter Buck Peter. Buck would be Michael. State is definitely the bugs bunny. 'cause he's Paul. Yeah that's how oiling. Everything spoiling everything walks backwards at first. Peter Found Michael's ability to sniff out the rare stuff annoying but eventually brought them together and they became friends Yeah Peter was born on December sixth nineteen fifty-six in Berkeley California. After graduating high school he went to emory university Georgia but dropped out before graduating. By the time he was working at walk story he was back at school. Also attending the University of Georgia. Michael brought up the idea of being a band Peter but initially he turned down because Peter believed guys and bands were assholes basically told them but hey we could just not be assholes. Yeah you can do that and from there. They began to create songs together. But I really liked the Peter's like now man guys are assholes if I bring you have to be xactly is like you know after. That's adorable as these two bonded over music. Their friend group expanded and eventually they met two guys who had been making attempts at a music career for a little bit at this point Bill Berry and Mike Mills the alliteration dream to say wow the alliteration on their name. Now it's so good they could call themselves like the the alliteration boy. Yeah that's that's what I would have done. But that's probably why I don't have a band but it should be the ill liberation boy that could be a white boy rap group. Sure the tells us should if there's a time line were that happy. Yeah there is bill or as I like to call them eyebrows whole eyebrows. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah what are some fucking caterpillars and like you know what you shouldn't give a fuck when everything's things about you and like everyone's you fun of him. I'm impressed. Oh No I feel like maybe like you could groom those down a little you can but also I'm impressed. He don't groom those things home. I got they are terrifying but this was also well before manager stood. You could do such things like groome your eyebrow not be assholes in a bad in like shower daily because I know these things still don't understand. Yeah they don't anyway. So bill was born July thirty first nineteen fifty eight in Duluth Minnesota. He also moved around a lot with his family mostly in the Midwest until they finally settled in Macon Georgia. When bill was in high school and there he attended Mount de Sales Academy where he also met and befriended Mike. Oh so they met in high school in those always into music dabbling in many things but mostly sticking to drums. Mike on the other hand was primarily a bassist. Mike was born in Orange County. California on December Seventeenth Nineteen fifty eight. His family moved to make on Georgia when he was a preteen. So none of these guys are from the South tha-that's just where they happen to meet. Yeah together bill and Mike. We're in a few bands together. One Band was known as shadow facts. So from this we can assume they are pretty big nerds. Oh God I hope so right. Okay definitely so nothing really stuck and they ended up figuring day jobs in college degrees. Were probably in order. And it wasn't long before these four met up and quickly bonded again. Over their love for music they began to not their love for Lord of the Rings. I mean come on. I don't where Peter and Michael Fall with Lord of the Rings. I would hope they fall on the side of we can love it. Yeah because it's pretty much inside you're allowed to be Basically the began to work on some songs together. And it's just a creative outlet at first but it didn't take much prodding to see that they had something unique going on here like most people who start a band. There was no grand plan to this at all. They were just going to make music and see when the plead at small gatherings supporting other local bands. All the while was no set band name. The leader was names like twisted kites or my personal favorite cans of piss. Not a name for Mellow alternative fans of this cans of why cans? Why the fuck it how. How does how did this come this again? They are very difficult. Research story behind that that I desperately wanted you guys know the story behind this. Let us know well. Fortunately they didn't love anything. They came up with now. Good well cans EPIs- I mean I just don't know if I would have been into You know night swimming by cans or losing my religion biking or this one goes out to the one I love frequency. Cut US by kids. None of those really word doesn't have the same. It doesn't roll off your tongue as much really busy. That's certain Genesis Equa kids. Don't really have it. No so legend has it that during a rehearsal or hanging out. Michael grabbed a dictionary and selected words at random when he landed on rem for rapid eye movement. This really the perfect name. They say like some have argued that that might not be where the name came from. But if you watch interviews. That's what was as story is because I feel like I remember at some point in like the late nineties early. Two thousands everyone was like rem doesn't mean rapid eye movement. But I don't remember what the supporting evidence was. That's fair I don't know it well so there's another story that apparently Michael was really into this obscure Kentucky based photographer named Ralph. Eugene Meet Yard. That's not real real name. Your Yard Philly came off the Bo. What are you guys going through Ellis Island? They're trying in like the worst broken English to explain that they have cow that their cattle ranchers just end up coming up with me yard and they're like all right. You're the meat yards. Yeah so that's the thing. Yeah all the fucking Shit. Don't make any sense. This Day you can go to Ellis Island and go to the memorial. That has all the names of all the people that had passarella silence of the lambs and look up the meat yards all. They were a good strong family. A hardy folk hardy Russian folk. I imagined they were Russia's. Sure meet yard anyway. So Ralph here would sign. All of his works are em and so people. Think that. Because Michael Stipe was really into him at the time that he was in fluence to call his band Aria and rapid eye movement a little mix of both. The dictionary story sounds far more plausible. I Dunno meet yard but I like to meet your meat yard. They they have the meat yards yards me. Oh let's discuss tariffs inured semi look like rotting in the Sun. You don't sell enough. Don't put it out there. Who put it in the heard? Putin afraid we're meet belonged snow. And that's how the meat yards do it. That's what gives it that. Certain spicy taste tangy flavor. Your meat should be tagging well. All right I digress. It wasn't long after that the boys decide to drop out of school and immerse themselves in the growing Athens music scene. I realize now I think I said that are stories started in Atlanta Georgia. It definitely was Athens Georgia so going back to bring that to my bed. Typo that. That's my bad. I am sorry there you have it. It's Athens not HOTLANTA ATLANTA. Athens is more of a hipster joint. I feel like but I. I've never been correct me if I'm wrong anyway. While many people focus on places like New York City and L. A. is hot spots for music. Athens was home to a lot of alternative new wave groups not just rem but others like pylon widespread panic and the B fifty. Two's Oh there you go the Rock lobster came from Georgia Rock lobster rock lobster. Went DOWN TO GEORGIA I corps so lobster playing fiddle all my own cat it. I will throw nineteen eighty. The band's popularity shot right up with Iraq San that no one had really heard before or Peggie owes plead by Guitar. A Bass playing counter melodies and deep poetic lyrics. It was a sensible answer for those looking for something. Maybe a little bit new indifferent after the rage of Pont punk was dying out And it is a good counterbalance to post punk. I feel like yeah like this type of alternative coming in was definitely a little harder than a sad. It wasn't sad boy songs. The Way Post punk is. Don't get me wrong. Yeah fucking Love post-punk you'd still get your rocks off with the hard core lake baseliner whatever but you can have a little emotion with it. Exactly Nice lyrics it was. It was a little balls here. I guess post-punk in in the sound way. Yeah this This girly music's got some balls to. Yeah it's girly with ball. Yeah there you go Yup Yup. That's you're welcome. They're playing more and more local shows. Eventually they got a van and began touring southern United States. So you get advanced out of a time. Where else can you go anywhere? You gotta there. It was like the cells. Go anywhere that fucking van. Which probably is why they stayed to the south. Does it was probably a bad van. Was it was good enough fan. Good enough van good enough fan but times were still tight and they had a daily food budget of only two dollars number. That's like a bag of fritos and a diet coke. Yeah so in. Nineteen eighty-five not now. How will your bag of fritos to diet cokes in one thousand nine hundred five eighty nineteen eighty whole? Yeah you could get to diet cokes. Ask Yeah even like a diet coke regular coke. Just get real spicy with it anyway. Despite what some might of thought they were certainly paying their dues with the old tour routine and they were gathering fans all over and better gigs as well. By the time they opened for the police they knew it was time to get some songs recorded. Finally they opened for the police and they didn't even have a fucking album. Yeah this is nine hundred. Eighty s police. Yeah but I don't think they had hit their stride yet really. I don't know I'm really out of times with the I don't. I'm not a police expert manner my I don't I I WANNA say. The police started in the Zoom Nova. Definitely did but Seventy Five No. They don't stand so close to me or something. I know I very much remember. Don't stand so close to from when I was a kid. 'cause I really like that song can be like. Oh No that was like why parents let me listen to this from the GECKO. Rem had very democratic method when it came to creating songs everyone has a say and the opportunity to contribute and Michael usually didn't add lyrics until the music was pretty much already made. That would probably be how I did it to Ray. He just would let the instrumentation inspired lyrics. They got involved with producer. Mitch Easter and got his help to put together a demo tape which included their first single radio. Free Europe right away. The band was showing the world what they could expect from these guys. The four track demo tape was released in Nineteen eighty-one through Atlanta based indie label. Hip Tone. Initially there were only one thousand. Copies made six hundred of which were sent out just as promo copies soon after they discovered. That wasn't enough and they had to press another six thousand. Wow bitches wanted this jam. They had a solid manager in their good friend and record store. Manager Jefferson Holt. Did he manage? What is it looks extreme? Wesson sweet way might work walks records woj Holy Shit some even referred to him as the unofficial fifth member of the band because he just had that much involvement walks at walks we elected wacker so by evolvement. So much getting them wet scooby. Weapons can them West? We wickets out. Boy had an eye for taking the right path and heavily encouraged. Rem To make an EP after this initial success well if you can manage books because he can surely manager. Oh my God and you won't believe what happens so enter chronic town their debut. Ep Jefferson figured he would just release it on his small. Indie label called dashed hopes. But instead the guys had labels fighting tooth and nail to sign them. I kind of feel like dashed hopes is just the wrong name for a record label. I mean like if you want to sign a record label. I don't call it Dash. It's not a good idea. 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Wow It's let's be honest and I mean can feel perky parents. They are very picky. And they're not pitchfork piglets. That's true but they're picky about the weirdest shit right enemy doesn't make sense to me very much. Yeah they're picky yes. There are a little picky when they went to work on their full. Lp IRS set them up with producer. Stephen Hague who was good but also very focused on technical perfection. Which really isn't Rem's really gets never anybody's Mo unless you're like a super pop star or like really into appealing to as many people as humanly possible. Nobody's really like I want to sound absolutely fucking pin drop perfect but also especially around this time in the eighty s with these bands. These groups cheers. I don't they wanted to be a little more raw. I don't need it to be polished. Yeah but Stephen was like no. We're going for perfection her K. He forced the band to do many retakes of the same song which bill specifically found really demoralizing on one track catapult. Stephen brought it to a studio in Boston to add keyboards without their permission. What's bright how can you do that? International Yeah users enough was enough for them and Rem Asir Label if they could work with their old producer. Mitch Easter instead. Irs agreed to give him a trial run once they completed the track pilgrimage the Senate over to the exacts who agreed to let them continue with Mitch and his producing partner. Don Dixon good because you were getting some good shit out of them finally yes. They weren't being and Don Dixon also has that alliteration. Yeah I mean like is required for this kind of job with rem. I mean let's face it. Rem's just filled with alliteration and acronyms and eyebrows and eyebrows. Alliteration acronym eyebrows. Yeah that's really what? Rem's about yes. I A E. They should called themselves. I E E I know and after the bad taste left from Stephen Mitch and John took a very hands off. Approach to producing. She's what they wanted. Exactly only asking for retakes when it was absolutely necessary and the ban refused to incorporate any rock cliches like guitar. Solos or the presence of synthesizers. They just donate a sound really. Don't yeah the final product released was their debut album murmurs fans and critics alike praised. It saying the band made good on the promise of more good music based on their EP As the next few years came and went. Rem was still seeing moderate success. They were getting positive critical reception but still not a ton of airplay and they reviewed. Moore's a college rock band but throughout this time they were developing a really solid cult. Fan Base one day. I hope to procure a cult. Fan Base also Now L. I don't trust that So this thrust into success was a little much for Michael who may have been the lead singer but was at his core a very shy person. Going up on stage in front of more and more people was a hard thing for him to come to terms with when they first started. He actually very long hair that he would keep in his face. I remember that yeah. He did it on purpose so that that way he wouldn't have to see the crowd and he felt like he was. That is very maynard. James Key goals of him but James. Mayonnaise key goals. Excuse me of him. Kazaa meter. James Keenan. Does that still to this day. Oh he really only does it when he's performing with tool when he's performing with. Pusa for he's like he's not really in front stage or anything he's kind of in the back singing and with A perfect circle. He's pretty much in front. He keeps a dark. He doesn't do any spotlight's on him or anything. No I'm just GonNa say though I feel like that's that's just a stylistic choice I think it no at first. It was at least at first. It was very much because he was like terrified. Oh Yeah At this point probably stylistic yeah probably so going up on stage for. Michael was just a hard thing for him to come to terms with the long hair and his face. He wasn't much of a mover when he was on stage and many thought he acted the complete antithesis of a Rockstar. He wasn't onstage. Licken me me. I can't picture him being that way. But honestly this might have been what his appeals to so many people that he wasn't onstage saying he was just. I just blake. Who is he still mysterious? Like who is. He's just like. Stop looking at me but you know what though. Makeup did begin to find a comfort in his weird ways on stage and he became less shy with every performance. He even decided dying. His hair may draw attention but he wanted to do it anyway. Then was because he saw bull mustard one night the way so back the story is that many questions so. I guess one night backstage before they went on stage. He saw this bullet mustard probably part of their food thing. Or whatever like why is it in a bowl and Al people are weird but he looked at it and he asks one of the. I couldn't remember if it was a ban mater or do you know just like a Rhody. And he's like doesn't it? Doesn't that kind of make you dip your head in it and the guys like no? Let's talk and had like mustard hair and you did it for a couple nights. He's like Nah fuck it. I'll just die my hair. Yeah just die your hair then. He stopped putting mustard. I don't think it's going to condition it very well. Know in one thousand nine five. They switched up the recording process for the third album fables of the reconstruction and got new producers and they recorded in England and this was a fancy sh meanwhile yeah I think they thought there being some fancy schmancy but this was a really rough time for the guys who found the weather in the food of where they were being where they were at the moment to be pretty lousy. I guess if you're going from Georgia to England yeah but also I would absolutely love to be there. I would thrive in that kind of environment. It's so weird to me because I feel like there are people who either like love going to Europe or they fucking hate going era. I love it especially for I mean yeah especially. You came Britain because the weather is kinda dreary. Yeah and I think people are ready to handle that. I'm totally here for that. Gothic romantic dreary day. Kind of old castle musty. Shit you know it's lovely but some people are just. Don't I just want to float through a fuck in hedge maze in a flowing black dress in just wow ngenda shaved lounge and Here's the daily rain at four PM. Yep yes but on top of all that. This was a concept album with a focus on the myths and folklore of the southern. Us of smoke. Yeah it's actually kind of interesting. A lot of the band's gloomy on we was transferred onto these songs. Leumi on we. I was my that was me. I came up with that kind of what it felt like. When you hear them talking about is like it just feels like an ennui that you guys have and you're just being really gloomy and sad. Michael Stipe is like the personification of gloomy on we oh my God really is oh man. The process of creating this album was tough and the band did have a brief brief moment of doubt if they even keep going after this well. England's hard guys England's so hard out here talking about I'm like Oh my God but like it's slow hard. The food's not really that good and it rains a lot. You should have known that before you went to England guy. Ram You should have known this was gonNA be some Bullshit Yashin known but go on. They did and despite getting bigger they were actually still pretty nice guys. The Mansa toured with them. The had nothing but nice things to say the guys who are coming out burbs her the bands who were coming out to open for or asked to fill out a survey that included like things. Nice and like you know just little details but tell us about your stay on tour but they would Rem would end up providing like shoes and clothes to these guys because they wanted them to be equipped and ready for the things that like. They didn't realize they needed to have on term. So they're like big brother and big brother ringing but not like big brother building. O- older brother ring it like. Hey Big Brother Arberg brother. Yeah we're GONNA take care of you. Yeah here's my wings. Get under it. Yeah they totally took these guys under their wing. It was really nice. That's sweet yeah. They're good guys. The guys still weren't managing real mainstream success. Still not cracking into any top forty charts and this was beginning to frustrate. Irs records. I mean even as well as rem but the band like they weren't GonNa what this stop them. They decided if they were to gain notoriety. It was going to be on their terms. Okay quite frankly this mode of thinking worked in. Rem's fever the garnered the respect of critics and their peers. And sometimes you just gotTa wait for good things and that waiting can pay off In nineteen eighty eight. They released the fifth album document which was their first album to not only have a hit single but also to go platinum. Oh I know what this single is does. This one goes out to the one I love. It is e the One I love has seen many confusing it for love song because of its chorus it is not a love song is not a love song. Have you listened through the versus? Nothing could be further from the truth. The song starts with a simple prop to occupy my time. It's clearly the song about using people over and over again to fill a whole. Yeah Phil but like literally. Yeah I mean yes and emotional whole but also like that whole the song peaked at number nine in the charts in his a well-known rem standard. I always like a song. They just has like yelling for a chorus a good impression. Yes yeah actually do. I never really paid attention to lyrics researching the episode house like. Oh this is a really dark fucked up saw. It is definitely just a person's like I'm never going to be in love with someone. I'm just GONNA keep bouncing from person to person. Yeah it's just kind of a fucked up thing maybe therapist. I don't know we get it looked at. I don't know the other song you probably recognize from this album is. It's the end of the world as we know it. I feel fine yeah. Lyrics reflect almost stream of consciousness floating from Michael Stipe Sprain. There are many references to gentlemen with the initials. Lb Lenny Bruce Leonard Bernstein Leonard Bernstein. Yeah that's the only part that any of us can ever get. Yeah Michael said. He had a dream where he was at a party and he was surrounded by famous people with those initials so the song developed from that. Yeah so this Ogden. Do quite as well as the one. I love but still managed to fall into most people's songs by Rem that. I know it's timeless. It is timeless and yet despite how well they are doing in the. Us At this point are was still not seeing international numbers like they really were expecting to and that was due in large part to Rs. Not distributing the album's globally. Why not well? Their distributor wasn't like irs just an Indie label to distribute through another label right. And they weren't doing their due diligence to get it around. It was like a chain of Bullshit but also the IRS is a US agency. So we'RE NOT GONNA THEY'RE NOT GONNA go out of the United States so I mean. What are you guys expect? It's called the Internal Revenue Service for a reason and other great need for your record and I. It's terrible after the release of this latest album. They let their contract expire and then they went on to sign with Warner Brothers again. Money took a back seat to the ability to have creative freedom. No good they. They have their scruples. In order. Over we spooky Spooky Kinda scribbles and auto. They know they did it again. Ripples in order only sheds looks records walks we wackos all we cow. Oh my wow hard really. Elmer flooding this episode. Fun this episode right out for Elmer funding through this episode role. Hard real hard. Fortunately this was the right move because they saw even more commercial success with with their next album green and even more hit singles to come out and get this album to also hit platinum status at this point the boys in Rem had gotten pretty open about approaching political topics using their platforms. As a way to speak out against unjust. Things are happening in our world. Many lyrics have attacked years living under Reagan McCarthyism and just like a whole slew of bullshit out with orange. Crushes no not a reference to the thirst quenching soft drink? Let's be honest. It doesn't researcher quenches Earth's anyway doesn't thirst my quench either your question quench your thirst but actually it's about the Vietnam War and the use of Agent Orange. Right Michael was a military Brat. He lived on bases in lives. Through the time of that war he heard many horror stories from the men that came back. He wrote the song for the soldiers who came back to a country that was unjustly blaming them for the war was his dad in Vietnam. Yes he was A. I believe at like a helicopter pilot. Shit mistaken so. I mean Michael has first hand accounts from people out what was going down. I wouldn't want to be a helicopter pilot talking on more. I'm fairly certain that's what he did. If I am wrong. Feel free to correct me there. Honestly any part you had to play you go in Vietnam and all just really wasn't especially a part in a helicopter see did a lot of their bombings allow their shootings lie. Orange spread and spreading agent orange in helicopters. So it's gotta be a Shitty job. Yeah what did even better was their single stand. Another socially conscious tune for the masses in it. There's an underlying message about being aware of the area that you live in taking care of it watching for your neighbors even something simple like cleaning up litter or taking the time to notice things you might not have without looking at it. You know going through this episode and re you reminded me of all of their singles. Right reminds me of how much get their song stuck in my head for no good reason. They're just in their place where you live now. Yeah Yep this just POPs into my head if I'm just standing around. I got this theme song to his show on Fox was get a life or something called the very short lived. I I've read that I've read that like thirty times. You know if I'm just standing around and I think wall I'm standing around if I think I'm just standing around that immediately. Stand in the place where you like. Fuck sucking my head. Yup Yup come the hell but it's not bad like I'm okay with it. Oh Yeah No. They're great songs. But Yeah I totally get stuck in my head to the tune. Itself was almost a bit of a Piss. Take on the sixties. Pop groups like the banana splits in the Monkey. It kind of sounds like that. This is just a simple riff that takes the last couple rounds of the chorus and makes them one whole step higher than the last which apparently is called a truck drivers gearchange. Why didn't I know that I have never heard of that before? The Internet says it's a thing that wall of the Internet says. It is true but nothing would prepare the ban for the success that they would see on their next album out of time. Oh boy released in nineteen ninety in like do you guys would like. I Dunno about these songs. Let me tell you WanNa fuck another you song by this point. Rem wasn't just experimenting with politically charged lyrics but also new instruments strings and Mandolin Saxophone. Loops echoes just. They were like. Let's see if the road at the wall and see what sticks. If there was a button they were gonNA push it exactly. All of this culminates in the band's best known single losing my religion a song that has nothing to do with questions theology. But it's actually song about unrequited love. Boy were they asked about religion after this though. Oh yeah because it's like the early nineties. I'm sorry are you talking about this? Oh Clutch my pearls. In the south to say or quote losing your religion means. You're losing your patience in getting frustrated. Oh Yup this song is about being in love with someone and not knowing how they feel about you throughout. The song is trying to express his love for this person but is not sure how to read their responses and it slowly driving him mad. Oh Yeah and never league even thought about it. But it's yeah like that's me in the corner that's means the spotlight like. Oh No. I've said too much it's like. Oh Yeah Yeah. He's just like it's like that time when you're like you're into somebody and you're like thinks they're into me and like you take those little love kernels that they might be giving union but you're not sure but you can also like twist them around and and try to find the message secret message. There mayor very well may not be. Yeah the haunting Mandolin throughout the song as a result of Peter. Buying a Mandolin and trying to teach himself to play just like all right. This sounds cool so record myself all I do it. Yeah and it worked out. Great Mike Speiss Line is inspired by the work of fleetwood. Mac's John mcvie Which you can only fire because as I have been listening to the song automatic I WANNA learn the base to the seven trying to teach myself and it's John mcvie in this song actually a lot of Mike Mills songs. It's like they are. They look like they're easy. Oh but they're in there because it's because it makes sense it makes so much sense but technically that's where the complication comes in. Yeah like you look at them and you listen to it in your this makes sense. I get it but like the technical aspect is very. That's where that's where the real genius for these guys comes in. Also that's where the fuck ups happen high drama. Can I take these notes out and just play like the same like order? Note every I'm going to do this. This fine. All came together to make this their highest charting hit reaching number four on billboard another hit single office album and in fact the last one to reach the top ten for them is Shiny Happy People. God Fluff Song for kids that they just wrote on a whim. If Features Kate Pearson from the B Fifty. Two's on backup vocals. My Love right however yeah I wanna if this song had a face punch it well honestly. Rem Kinda hates the song too good they should just gonNa said something along the lines of if there were to be a song shot into space to represent rem. We really hope. This wouldn't no not this one please. No and not them know and even even on space ghost they admitted. Michael there is a classic Space Ghost episode where he has Michael Stipe pod and he's like Khan sing that Song Shiny Shiny people hate that space ghost. Yeah me too. I feel you space even space. Go say me accept me. Of course you'd like I bet Brackley BRAC probably fucking loves it but What's his fucking as or AC Zodiac fucking hates. Us Out of time was massive. Hit for the band it hit number one in the billboard charts and won three grammys. It is also known as one of the most politically significant albums of all time and this was because they had a petition included in the CD. Packaging buyers were encouraged to fill out and mail in two commits Congress to vote for the motor voter. Act of one thousand. Nine hundred nineteen ninety-three the motor-voter acts. It was called something else. But motor-voter accented way core consumers answered the Columbine One thousand nine hundred five Bill Clinton passed the bill and basically the motor voter act was people could register for the like to vote. I had the DMV. Oh that's when they decided like when you like when. Teenagers apply for their For their licenses they can apply to vote like if they're eighteen or older. Okay so that's when it started being included because that because I never understood why you could register to vote while you're at the DMV like what and that's when they did it because they figured that would be a very convenient time. Rem was very much into the rock. The vote movement was actually something. Mtv tried really hard. And I have to commend. Mtv for their nineties like real movement that they have happened with rock. The vote. Because nobody was fucking voting. Yeah and Michael. Stipe would do a lot of. Psa's like this one. He did some for just like the pollution of the earth and like hey can you fucking not. Even Dave mysterious pain went out and talk to people for rock the vote. Yeah he did a lot of ship for MTV for Roxborough and he did it for the Democratic side which is hilarious because he's not a Democrat anymore. I don't know what is he's some. He's Joe Exotic. You voted for own views on things. I'm going to vote for him. Care fucking best skin. That bitch killed her husband and we her next record. Oh my God but if they did write a song I would be. If megabits entire album about tiger king I would buy it like yeah easily. I'm here for. They're the only ones only megadeath can do an album on Joe Exotic and do it justice and do so right so at this point. Rem was over the touring life. They decided instead of burning themselves out with more time on the road. Getting back into the studio was a better idea and so it was only a year later. They released their eighth studio album automatic for the people. Wow that was their eighth album. Right crazy yeah. Initially the band set out to make a harder rock album than the last but all of that kind of fell through with songs such as Dr Knight Swimming and everybody hurts. Who Does night? Swimming is probably my favorite. Rem Song though it's just so pretty. It's a really good about singing. It's swimming naked at night. And you're like I hope nobody catches me swimming naked. The only time they're actually literal about like a pretty song. Yeah it is actually real quick. That song was apparently about a night. Watchman who like they had hired to Watch their studios or something and he would call. Michael Stipe in the middle of the night with a conspiracy theories and Michael Stipe. WanNa write a song about tennis reader. Did they hire Dennis Rader? Probably did I think it was done as far as everybody hurts. That was written by Michael Direct message to teenagers. That yeah life socks but you have to hold on and unlike. Rem's other songs. They felt being direct would work best for the subject. Yeah Care Right. But the really sad flip side to the song. Is that a year after its release. Michael see the death of his really good friend. Kurt Cobaine from suicide. Yep He was working with Kurt on a project or they were actually in talks. I think about doing something together. Yeah outside of Nirvana outside of rem and there was just becoming really good for our. Yeah they were. Just hang out and talk museum bullshit and politics and Shit. Yep Oh yeah. No Courtney love talks all about it. In behind the music for rem only. I'm sure she fucking does fuck off Courtney. I think that was during one of her rare. Sober like eras. 'cause she didn't seem like a hot mess but you know what they're trying to get attention. But you know what Courtney is one of those people were. It doesn't matter if she's higher not she could be completely sober. She's still going to tell lies. Oh Yeah and say anything. She can to get attention. Because that's she fucking want it's like she's a sociopath or something it's like she's Yeah. I mean diagnosed or not she is. She's a fucking sociopath a more upbeat track from the album is man on the moon. Oh yeah which we drink. It also has a tight occurred to. You'll notice. There's a ridiculous amount of the song that's because Michael teased his friend about using so many as in his songs so he wanted to outdo him the entire course of lithium is Seattle's yeah actually though man on the moon might still have more yeahs. Maybe yeah that's what I wanted. The song is a bit of an Ode to Andy Kaufman but also to conspiracy theories in general out there. Things in life can't really be explained but initially the song had no lyrics and Michael didn't think there should have been any but his bandmates had begged him for so long to write some than at the last minute finally inspiration struck him. Yeah he's thought it'd be a better instrumental. And it was the title of the Andy Kaufman. Movie which Courtney Love was in Dun Dun Dun conspiracy theories yeah yeah automatic for the people didn't hit the exact same spot as his predecessor but it was still held in high regard and really is some of Rem's best work and fun fact. The string arrangements were aided by Zeppelin. Bassist John Paul Jones. Oh that's pretty cool right. One of the few good members really Jimmy Page. It's real dodgy right yeah Jimmy Page's dodgy. I haven't heard anything really about Robert Plant. But that doesn't mean anything that's true so. I don't know we'll find out someday. I'm sure we'll find out something. Despite the fact that touring wasn't currently on the table they were still putting out music. Like Madman Putt. This didn't stop the rumor mill by any means by the early nineties. Speculation was that Michael was gay. Oh how dare imaginary pearls and not just was he gay but that he had contracted HIV and was dying. And that's why they weren't torn on my God shut up in his early nineties. This was like the spicy hot topic at the time spacey AIDS Spicy. No no no. He knew he had to come out and say something to feed the media beast so he claimed as far as he knew he didn't have HIV. He was just always skinny and they just wanted to work on new music. In lieu of turing. I don't understand how the media got a hold of this kind of rumor. Well you get one person who hadn't experienced and then they talk and then they talk and then their friends talk and then it slowly works. Its way up because like tap lights loving him and people are garbage. Garbage mostly garbage. Yeah Okay but here's the thing for the record. Michael is not gay. He identifies as queer. Oh he has been with many men but he actually also had a relationship with women including Natalie. Martinelli merchant back in the second a softball relationship does not. She's another lady that lives in my hometown. Area oh she seems Nice Yeah. She seems let. I have not heard anything bad about her. So right good good good. He's had relationships with both but doesn't even really believe he's by. He prefers queer because it refers to a total gray area and he stays pretty private about it so as far as anyone's concerned and queer do want go. Fuck yourself good for him. Yeah honestly and like who gives a shit who is phoning yeah? He did admit later on in life to being afraid for a time that he did have HIV. But this was back when you couldn't really test easily for it. Yeah and like he he did. He was a big advocate to for HIV testing and Norton. Like making it more acceptable to talk about. And that's when I think that's when some of the river started to because he was wearing a hat said like end HIV and AIDS or something and there was a key must be gay and heavy clearly. All the pieces fit together. Isn't it kind of funny now? How you can just go to a doctor and say I want to be tested for AIDS. And they're like oh no big deal no big when you're a woman and you go to get your like annual and they're like hey. We're you just want us to like just kind of check you for everything you have to go to planned parenthood for pretty much anything. They're like may you want us to test you for this? You can say all right and they'll be like okay cool. It's great no problems. What a time to be alive. So after all that it made sense that they would decidedly tore again after the release of their nineteen ninety. Four album monster. This was a bit of a return to rock for them and I would say it. Kinda completes this Trifecta of their peak success You know you have out of time automatic for the People Monster. Yes three or lake. That's what everybody knows. Rem for what year was that ninety? Four okay. This album sees their last top ten hits. What's the frequency Kenneth and Bang and blame? The album reached number one in the charts and the accompanying tour was. Alight with hype. Unfortunately a lot of things went wrong. I remember what's the frequency Kenneth because the video had a lot of bright colors. Oh and I'm pretty sure that it came out around the same time as I'm only happy when it rains by garbage. Oh maybe I think I always associate the two I'm only happy when it rains. Might have been a little bit earlier but I always associate the two because they had various similar like bright colors and their videos and that was very typical of like nineties music videos. Yeah right now these alternative. Yeah Oh yeah and also really fucking wanted. Shirley Manson's boots eventually. I would have throughout my lifetime about twenty pairs of them. So you did it. I did it twenty nine over. Oh my God go find like eleven year old Ashley Girl. We did it. We fucking pretty sure the first ones I got. Were from daleas out of the mail order catalogue because that was owned well before. They had a brick and mortar stores off which were never as good as their catalog. Catalog was amazing. Have Morally was so good so many clothes I got from that shit the fuck was they talking. Okay right. The tour started in January nineteen ninety-five and it won't be long after that. Rem deals with the first of many hiccups. This one being the scariest who on March first in the middle of show. Bill begins to suffer a blind painful headache. Oh soon after he collapses in his rush to hospital they discover. He was suffering an aneurysm and they had to operate immediately. It took about a month for him to recover but instead of continuing on with a session drummer. The guys just waited for him to recover before they went on to the next leg. Well that's nice. Yeah they were like. We're not gonNA fucking leave you here in a hospital. In Sweden and just chilling touring. That's garbage. I mean granted if I'm left in a hospital somewhere I would want it to be in Sweden. Oh they definitely made some digs. We're like we we're in Sweden. We're at least the best healthcare the best doctors in the bestest damning shade literally the nicest people yeah seriously. Several months later Mike was experiencing intense abdominal pain and discovered an intestinal scar that needed to be removed and so they took a little time for that as well as yeah only a month later. Michael ended up having emergency surgery to repair a hernia. Good Lord it's just kept coming. Good Lord guys yeah. They were really unhealthy that year. It sleep we're doing great all the while on top of all of this. They were working on songs for their next record and a year after all these injuries were finally over their release their next album new adventures in hi fi it did well reaching number one platinum status all that jazz but this album didn't see any hot singles the way the previous previous ones did what is cool. Though is Patti Smith came onto guest on the track. Ibo the letter Shit Yeah. She was actually a big influence for them so they were pre pump to have her. I'd be too. Yeah I mean most people would. Let's be honest but after the release this record one of the members would make a decision that would change. Rem for good. Bill decided that he was leaving the band. After the aneurysm in nearly two decades working on music he felt it was time for him to put the drumsticks away for something new. He'd always wanted to live a simple life specifically he wanted half a farm. He spent months debating if this was the right choice when you finally decided on it and told the band. He went to them with one stipulation. He told them he would not quit. If it meant the band with split up he wanted them to stay together and make music even though he wasn't there anymore is fucking people. He may have eyebrows. But but while but the Har- on this is bigger than his eyebrows that hey guys I want. I really want this form. But if it's going to be used to it. Yeah I mean if you guys aren't going to keep doing music I'll just keep playing. It's fine to put a really wound for it's horrid shooting and the guys like which is like but we really don't want you leave but also like we don't want to force you to stay here if you don't want to hear so it took some long talks but Michael. Peter and Mike agreed to go on as a trio with bills blessing. Not all right. He'll just months to lead simple. He just wants to recent cows honestly he just wants to have meat yard to change his last name to meet yard. You should have except like anyone bill berry with a beautiful ration- but I like bill meet Yard Yard. Excuse me it's William Meet Yard to you. It's William Meet Yard to you. However not so heartwarming. There was another og departure They also depart ways that their manager Jefferson. The Guy who did not manage the record store. Oh he didn't manage records tools. Oh well they had to get rid of them. Though after sexual harassment charges came up against him. And don't tolerate that Shit. Yeah 'cause rem are upstanding fucking citizens like a gal like this piece of Shit. I don't know if I could have fun and hang out with them but they are genuinely could human beings. We could have a good time. However I don't think they would drink. I would just say I only wondering if they hated me. Yeah because you can't I feel like they would all be very difficult to read. Yes state. I'll be very nice. Yes but you have no idea what they're thinking. Oh that's saying. Yeah that'd be difficult right. I don't know if we can party with rem where we have a lovely conversation. Oh Yeah we can be like superfund neighbors almost other stories when they tell them like other some beer involved so maybe they're just the beer band bud. Light beer band. Alliteration continuing without bill was not easy like I mentioned before their creation process is very democratic. And everyone gets a say so for one contributor to go missing that turned everything on its head a little by nineteen ninety-eight. The guys were ready and back in the studio this time working session drummers in bill stead overall the creation of their next record up was difficult and almost made the rest of the band split up they just they were still grieving their their drummer's absence and didn't know how to deal with it. The final product was a little less rock and actually a little more electronic influenced and I mean it made sense because it was the late nineties in rock was dead. Yeah Electric Everything. If performed fine but overall the days of orients seeing the success of a single like the ones that came before we're done yeah. Critics enjoyed it and it did peak at high points on the Charts. But he just didn't have the staying power that the other ones did the rem trio was still putting out new material for the masses at the turn of the century and two thousand six on the very first try. They were eligible. They were inducted into the rock and Roll Hall. Fame came back to perform some of the songs. Well that's nice very nice and I'll be honest. The two thousands didn't see much excitement for the band. No I don't recall hearing anything from them you didn't. I mean they were still releasing music but things had hit a point where it just wasn't what people were listening to really. They went back to being a cult. Hit but yeah on September Twenty First. Two thousand eleven are young announced. They were quote calling it. A day is a band calling in today and I think saying break up would not be totally accurate. It's more of a retirement. There were still working in music in some capacity but as the outfit Rem they were done. Yeah yeah together for three decades but the real height of their career was about ten years throughout eight ninety eight And honestly that's more than a lot of musicians get. They stuffed a lot of singles into that small amount of time. Seriously you can't deny the impact that rem has had not just on rock music but on all of music these guys have inspired an array of groups from radiohead to sonic youth to cold play and manage to keep Art Rock Alive in the nineties when grunge read Supreme Yes. They had their biggest hits during grunge. Yeah they did and I would not at all campuses grunge. I feel like if we didn't have rem we wouldn't have bands like weezer or anything like them. You wouldn't have anything like the strokes. I feel I now. They really run the gamut of rock or anything. That's like hipster music or Indie rock or ANYTHING OFFICE SADDLE CREEK. You Have Indie Rock Saddle Creek. Bright Eyes Rilo Kiley. They wouldn't exist without rem so seriously. I completely agree with that. You know their music happened in tandem with the GRUNGE MOVEMENT. Not In spite of it you know it stood on its own and their friendship with bands like nirvana proof. That I mean like an Eddie. Vetter inducted into the hall of fame because he loved and respected them so much and they were all together on the same time they weren't like. Oh Fuck these all rock guys which honestly grunge kind of Said Fuck you to a lot of other types of music but rem never fell into that. Fuck you category. They always appreciated what they were doing. Yeah and use them as an influence to the they were once declared America's best rock and roll band did still has some truth to it. Though songs have stood the test of time and will continue to inspire many musicians to come mean how many musicians now coming out. I'm sure of heard losing my religion. We're like Holy Shit. I WANNA be a musician. Or how many musicians that are around now or were around in the nineties and two thousands. That didn't even know that they were being influenced by REM. Yeah I bet. There's a whole lot of them that didn't even realize. Rem had such a huge impact on their music. Sure yeah they. They are incredibly influential band. And I really respect and appreciate like they're not my favorite band but go going through their discography. I discovered some stuff that I was like. Oh this is actually really good. I think they're the dark horse rock. Yeah like I just think that. They are a huge influence. I don't think anybody realizes how much of an influence that they are because they were just under the radar this whole time. Yeah and yeah. They had a lot of big hits but they weren't. I don't know how did they weren't allowed about it. They weren't running around timberlake. We're the best rock band because like that excess in the eighties and nineties very rampant in all band. They weren't a hairband about it right. You know they were in your face and constantly trying to get your attention. They're like here's our stuff. If you like it you know we really hope you do. Okay bye and I know like bands like Pearl. Jam Nirvana weren't like that either. But the media just for some reason just latched on the grunge prop that Shit. Right up so yeah. Rem was a total darkhorse especially in the nineties. Yeah and they were always there and I think that they were very much. The solid foundation of Nineties alternative that the late ninety s saw. Oh Yeah so like better than Ezra and Weezer and all of those hake and all of those bands would never have existed without the foundation that they lay down in the late eighties and early nineties and especially all the experimentation that rem would do just from the Gecko for a band that was like We're not going to do it every also doing yet. Like we can have keyboards and synthesizers and shit. So we're going to do that but what's interesting too is they weren't on. It wasn't an uncomfortable. Sound like you know some of the bands that come through and say we're going to have a different sound people like Whoa Whoa. It's jarring yes. Sometimes and with rem it was no it just made sense slipped in there perfectly. They had very logical progression. Yeah to their music. Yeah I I never realized how much I really appreciated the band until now and their sons a row fucking good some good shit people that I mean. I don't know if I'm going to go out and listen to a full. Ram Album ones. That I haven't listened to before but their singles are definitely ones that I would go to over and over again because they're going and playlist. Yeah absolutely Oria. Yeah no definitely like I found a bunch of songs. There's I liked starts throwing them on like my legs list there. Yeah that's good. Yeah that's the story of R E M That's nice yeah like this is just a nice little comfy little story. Yeah two weeks in a row we just got no heroin and Nice Happy Shiny. Happy People Holding Hands. Yeah Yeah I could see. Rem Holding hall notes. His hands on. Yeah there you go adorable. This is my fan girl dream. Now there you go But yeah next week is not going to be at least. There's not going to be here when so we're going on two weeks without heroics heroin incident. Maybe three will next week. We'll be heroin. No heroin no heroin next week. However it's a fucking story that I have a fucking story after that so yeah anyway. Thanks for listening. You didn't listen to the whole thing. 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Rock Candy Ep. 103: The Darkness - Jingle Biz

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Rock Candy Ep. 103: The Darkness - Jingle Biz

"The diggers you have entered the halls of the Pantheon podcasts. What you aren't listening to is new ordinary very podcast feed? This is an audio music magazine where you may or may not read. Well listen to be more exact to all the articles. But if you do indulge us here you will find amazing new content including music history commentary interviews reviews and more to satisfy the music lover in you here in the main hall. You will find all of the amazing music based PODCASTS. That make up the Pantheon network. Bud If you prefer each podcast title also has their own feed so you can find. Follow them wherever you are listening to great podcasts. The choice is yours and Dan British. What the big book of British miles else? What is that? Did you ever see the simpsons when no we had to get braces. Now he's like. Let me show you the book of the pig book of British smiles at its the British teeth. That sounds horrifying. It was also no I am not a simpsons fan. I mean I'm not a current Cincinnati Cincinnati expanding that. I was back in the day when I was a child anyway. Yes so the big book of British Miles is terrifying. And I think Justin Hawkins when you first came out totally belong. Yeah I mean. The darkness was full of British smile. Who Yeah who those those teeth? Where like category one British teeth also bad it was like? Wow you guys didn't have dental in the seventies to chew also like not a single person is born with okay tif how does that happen. Yeah I yeah I have questions. What's wrong with your teeth over there? What is this weird genetic thing? We're like not a single tooth is straight. Yeah it's Kinda Weird. I never thought of it that way. Actually the choir and if your teeth are that bad why don't you have dental. Why yeah why? Don't you have dental. Yeah guys we have so many questions about the USA. They don't have fluoride in their water. Either uh-huh because I'll tell you right now when I went to Ireland was the first time I got a cavity. 'cause I came home I spent like months without floride water and blame it on Ireland because Came home had my first cavity see the government doing so shores looking our government to so much chemicals in the water here for us. Thanks thanks government least. You're looking out for us in one aspect aren't ya except not in flint. Yeah not would beg to differ. Well can your weekly podcast bringing yes. Sweet treats from the worlds of music and this week. We got a fun special. Sweet treat after the fucking heaviest fuck episodes yeah. We needed something a little fun. We needed to Kinda lighten it up so this week we decided hey. Let's lighten the mood. Let's bring them all fun and back in your step with really really fun band. The really really fun band. I'm Maggie and I'm Ashley and this week we're talking about the darkness. I'm super excited about this. And you should. Avi Super excited excited about. This is really fun and I'm going to say zero days without without heroin incident so this will be day one. This'll be day one of no heroin heroin. Then Yeah Upfront. No heroin today Nice. Yeah at least nine. That's been admitted to okay. I mean at this point I feel like you can assume most artists have love dabbled in heroin right. I don't think so. I think it depends on what what time period they've they've come out That's true this is the two thousands and heroin's not really a drug anymore. Yeah but they're still wasn't the the opioid me Oh Boy oh boy it crisis now yeah. The boy crisis was really the nineties and then popped up back again in the tens in two thousand ten so maybe it was like secret. Heroin Gatherings Secret Heroin Parties Party. I ever want to be vice. Take the worst meet up. Stock Com beautiful ever exist. That's a surefire way to get arrested. Watering Dan Jewett. Yeah you're stupid if you try to have a heroin meet up on DOT com. Hey guys let's all go to the starbucks in East Greenbush. Yeah but I. I do the alley behind starbucks in East Greenbush. Yeah I like that. Let's it's Let's do that. Let's go on meet up Stockholm. See if anybody's doing that. Fake ones and just watch from across the street. How many people try to meet up for the heroine Mita? So it's twenty twenty people got to be smart about how they're gonNA do their heroin ups now. How come the police haven't thought of this have have? Hey if you're a police officer could you tell us if you guys have thought of this. Do you do fake meet ups on meet UPS DOT COM like. Just throw it out there that I feel like I shit shit that we shout out a lot of career people and nobody ever gets back at us to like. Tell US cops. Don't listen to our podcast. I feel like we've called that other people like. Hey if if you know anything about this tell us with mean it says because nobody listens to our podcast. Oh God well and that's why we drink and that's why we drink and speaking of why we drink tonight. We're having special brew for the episode. Oh yes indeed. It's called instruments doc. Nece it is an imperial coffee milk style and Melissa chocolates coffee from Rohrbach brewing brewing company. I cannot say their name correctly Hornbach. It's it's four. Yes that's what it is. Why say wore rohbock brewing company wall? Vox Louis Company. Oh my goodness yes. That's what it is. Did you read the description now. Life all through with fresh rush. Brazil roast beans from Fogo. COFFEE ROASTERS WAY GO. I mean it's fire. They're all on fire while they're brewing. Your coffee the reason why the Amazon is on fire so they can caffeine. Oh how much I says it contains caffeine. Okay maybe maybe it contains so little. They don't have to tell us but it is a ten percent or so. Oh be careful. I didn't eat dinner. That's your first. Some say that is my first mistake my last but yeah. That's one of those years that I bought not realizing that We you could use it for an episode. Oh and then you're like oh we can use that for darkness episode. I was like well fuck. Oh I did not realize you didn't know no didn't realize it at at all. You definitely played that awfully. Yeah totally yeah. We Dirk nece purpose and I was like. We need an upper after the Nevada episodes episodes. I didn't realize how much of a Downer Nirvana would be. Oh massive fucking Downer. You should know by now that everything that I love and hope close to my my heart is an absolute fucking Downer. Every single bit of Andrew W K not a Downer non Downer there you go. He's he's the soft shining Lazio Rainbow in the dark. He is because he's your. Do He is my do may rainbow in the dark. Yeah I like that. I guess get started on these notes yet. I have meticulously cultivated for this. I'm very excited. I WANNA learn everything far more than kids. Sit Back and get your butts ready for the story of the deck nece. Hold on your butts. Many see this band hand as a one hit. Wonder a good handful of folks think these guys are just a joke band. Am some people find their goofy satires to be obnoxious. No no you're on it out get out get the fuck Outta here. I think those are all unfair our biases towards the band. Hard working and talented as the darkness. And they do not get their dues for it. They don't today we're GonNa make you fuck and give them their dues. Yes at best. You may know them from. I believe in a thing called love. I'm leaving think just perfect. Yeah the Karaoke or we do but we do. We will do your Karaoke. You need people to come in at hype up your Karaoke Party we can do it. Call us we'll do it now. It's time for you to realize that. They are so much more than that one song especially in their home of the UK or they've had hit after hit. Yup they are big. They're honestly one of the few beacons of delightfully good music from the odds may formed around the year two thousand and have been through my fair share of successes hardships lineup changes and beyond Yup so to write them off and not take them seriously. Kinda makes you look look a little silly in the end me thinks it does. I will say this upfront researching. This band was fucking difficult. It which is crazy to me. It just seemed like the kind of people that would be really open about their story. And well. Here's the thing. Nothing Personal Info on the darkness is hard to come by Especially when it comes to Justin because you can never quite tell when he's telling you facts or just being keke which is Kinda why I love him right. I imagine the truth is somewhere in between yet. My research has come from a ridiculous Louis amount of looking up interviews looking for whatever I can find. I did find out that the basis does have a biography that he wrote but that's also half cheeky he to kind of the reason. Why and that's kind of the reason why I love and hate British humor because it is very much my kind of humor but in print you really have to take everything kind of the green assault and be able to parse out what is actual truth in? What is just just being fucking asshole so I have a hard time reading Terry Patchett? Yeah he likes half the time like wait. Was that a joke. was that serious. I don't know yeah so so yeah I have a hard time reading British humor. But let's continue with the darkness so the story of darkness begins with two brothers Justin and Dan. Dan Hawkins just to others like the Justin was born March seventeenth. Nineteen seventy five and the following year would see the birth of Dan on December twelfth South Nineteen seventy six having brother that close in age to you made it easy to share similar interests. Yeah N. music was no exception According according to Justin when he was a child he wanted to be either a helicopter pilot of it or a doctor. That's those are lofty goals. My friend yeah. Those are not the vet. No you still have to go through I. I wanted to be a vet to when I was a kid. But everyone's like oh I have to be in school for like an extra amount time now. I'm good yeah and also bodies gross even animal bodies. Yeah not here for that but all this changed once he heard communication nation breakdown by led Zeppelin. Oh then music became his one true. Love now I should have loved the darkness. From from the Gecko he should Hold on does not to say I didn't really love. I believe in a thing called love. I did hear for it. The minute popped on but besides being influenced fluence by the ZAP. Justin is heavily influenced by Queen. He wanted to play guitar. Like Brian May and have the presence of Freddie Mercury which this is all raw obvious when you listen to them and watch them. It's very obvious when you at least watch. The I believe in a thing called love video where he's wearing spandex index spotty suits Yala Freddie Mercury. Yeah Yeah and even the Guitar Solos which is very just operatic the same way. Brian may are very. Brian May may ask mask. Brian Mask Boozy pinkies up. Dan clearly picked up. These cues from his older brother and began to work on his own music skills as a kid. He seemed to want to check everything off his list though he started with drums and then he moved to base and ultimately mastered the guitar which seems to be as instrument of choice But kids multitalented you can do whatever the fuck he wants. He's fucking look in one man band he really is all that hard work paid off eh needed. He ended up having a brief career as a session musician. Oh even got to work with Natalie IMBRUGLIA. I don't know if he worked with her untorn just know he worked with her. Well at least he's not allowed to faith get out just how he feels. Is he coldness ashamed lying naked on the floor. I don't know maybe maybe he's torn. Oh Oh get out. Nothing's fine Maggie. Oh I got but even working with established. Artists wasn't enough for Dan. He knew he could become Something bigger he had formed bands here and there one called vital signs and then another was a simple synth. Pop Band called Empire. That's adorable rain. Nothing really seemed to be hitting exactly where it should creatively. The rules of the darkness began to plant themselves back in nineteen ninety nine when Justin performed a high energy version of Bohemian rhapsody. At a Karaoke night oh again we are available for Karaoke parties parties available. For All your Carolinians I guess so as Justin fucking power trio. Oh my God yes definitely just enjoy dance band. Initially I'm keyboard but quickly. It made more sense to everyone that he take over lead vocals and guitar. Yoke the brothers decided a a change of direction was an order but who else was going to join them on this journey of discovery. Who who has the talent and the and the harassment has mar enough? Maybe the nerve and the uniqueness in all the talents all of it I we have basis Frankie Poussin born born April fifteenth nineteen sixty seven Scotland. And you know. He's from Scotland when they interview him. Sometimes I'm like but what are you saying. You saying. Many of his influences lie in post punk bands like the smiths and echoing the bunny man. This yeah yeah makes sense. Yeah he didn't really get into into learning bass until the age of nineteen but once he did took pretty quickly to it And the original drummer for them. Darkness was Ed Graham Born February twentieth. Nineteen seventy seven in Lowestoft England. He attended the same high school with the brothers. Hawkins befriending them and making music with them And he wasn't a super athletic type forfeiting time for sports for practicing drums in the music room instead by this time just in had gone to school for Music Music Technology and use that experience to cultivate a place for himself in the advertising world he wrote Jingles. Oh Oh that's adorable but yeah I bet you. He rates a mean. Jingle who boy he wrote Jingles for companies like Mars bars. HSBC the Anti Kia. You can find the Ikya one all you have to do is youtube. A piece of furniture called Bush lump what S. C. H. L. O. M.. He this all checks slump Schwab and it's very darkness. The AD is ridiculous. I was really hoping that he had invented those fucking rats or the mice for the And is it KIA or Kia Kia cars or Kia cars the hamsters the hamsters. No those are too Glib. Yeah Yeah they're not his style style polished. You need something a lot there too. Cool now man. You gotta look if the swamp. It's it's very very very accurate. What you're thinking? I am very afraid of what would show up on google if I google slump actually like if you look up. I keep Sean Commercial. It's the first thing also. What if you put slump into the search bar on porn hub all right? Well I think we have to test how what I'm really looking forward to one. I'm a little scared of you're going to have to pick. Which one is which I think somebody? WHO's listening should push lump into the porn hub search bar? Just take screen shots. I just went screen shots. I WanNa know I was just. I don't want that On my browsing history. I I'll go going cognitive how we GONNA go to port of you always do for Porn corncob amateurs so sensibly Justin took his jingle earnings to help fund a debut album. He brought his jingles to the studio. He brought his studio and his jingles and now the darkness was ready to put in the work to make songs to grab the attention of industry types and get themselves that shiny coveted record deal just in how to manager for his jingle Biz named Jiggle busy. I didn't realize though it sounds ridiculous until I said it was like Jiggle. Biz Jangle Biz. I got into Gopez to sounds. Sounds fantastic like something. You'd find port hub okay. Somebody else needs yes. You put Jingle Biz. It's you aren't of search. I really wanted to how many people are doing these things by the way I hope everybody is I I do anyway. In her name was sue White House who was also for better or worse his girlfriend. I'm why is there a qualifier before that we mean like for better or worse. Yeah what does that mean. I don't know if it's smart to date your manager what I'm saying like I don't know if like your girlfriend and in your manager should be the same person I mean a grandma people but also no. Yeah I mean again though I don't I'm GonNa tell you right up front. I don't really know how exactly I can tell you. You know I will tell you how everything ends up. But I can't tell you the details of their relationship because then Justin is super secret of. Yeah so there's that but also don't shit where you eat. Don't shit where you eat. You know what just. Yeah don't yeah don't do it. The ban decided to take her on to handle their affairs as well as it helped. The CI already had industry connections to try to start to make a buzz in the industry about their music. I mean that helps to it. Does the only problem. No one cared about the darkness At best they had to labels Abel's slightly interested in signing them other than that people either assumed they were not a real band or we're just uninterested in what they're selling lame right. But this didn't stop the darkness from forging a path all their own their life shows became a thing of legend wearing tight. leotards doing leaps and jumps around the stage and generating high insane energy for days. These few things you could expect from one of their concerts no matter how big number how saw small you were going to get a big show. If you like still to this day you can probably expect that Yup this this helps them. Garner a fanatical fan base just on word of mouth alone so they hustled for a couple of years on the local pub circuit to gain more followers and to prove to the industry that they were for real and it was another rare case of hard work actually paying off. Finally they are getting more offers from legal contracts. Wchs Nick Raphael in an are for Sony Music. UK At the time was trying his best to get the darkness on their label but ultimately the boys went with Atlantic Atlantic records. And now it's two thousand three picture it. Oh I'm picturing K.. Two thousand three. It's time to release the album permission to land. Oh yeah the album came out with a single. Get Your hands off my woman which peaked at forty three in the charts parts but they still weren't gaining attention too far beyond their own circles which is crazy because not only does that song have the word motherfucker also has call. It also has granted con isn't such a bad word in the UK not but never played in the US. I believe they released it as a single in the US. Oh I don't think I don't know maybe they didn't. It just wasn't radio placing the didn't play on the radio. They definitely did not Um But yeah. They weren't even the. US didn't even know they existed. At this point. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's their story hit. Some Queen esque similarities. He's a gain. Thanks to a woman named Joe. Wylie a deejay at radio one in Britain who is enamored with the span sound. She played their songs on the station. Asian when others just shrugged it off and this helped to give the band the push they needed. Let's pupils started saying who's this band. They're great I want to hear more of their the music. Yeah so there you go be friends with the radio. Dj then came their next single. And if you think you know what it is you don't miss it's the song growing yes. Growing on me is so good really cute a cute little love song about quote a sweet lady. Eighty woman that you will never fully fathom or understand but you love her so much at after a while it doesn't matter it is not about as TD's like like a lot of people assume. Yeah they did but I also got the impression that it was about. Somebody who like won't leave you the fuck alone and is really obsessed with you you and you're like Nah but then eventually you're like well I'm kinda desperate so I guess maybe he can play both ways. Yeah that could see both ways. But it's not about Colombia so or lice. Actually I believe people were saying it's about pubic lice. Yup yes this single did chart up better in in the UK than their last peaked at number eleven but it still paled in comparison to their ultimate rock song. That came out next. Yep I believe in a a thing called Love Yup now. They had released the song in two thousand two before they were signed to a label. So only a certain certain amount of copies were made which made it ineligible to be able to make it onto any charts when they released it on their debut. LP It was a total All surprise to the rest of the world still because nobody really hurt never even charted. Exactly I feel so weird when I say charted charted because it sounds like chartres chart it sounds like sharp. Sounds like you're saying sharded I'M GONNA say shorted forbid any. Even short short short even knew nobody even knew about the shopping on the charts parts of chartres then it went to the top of the charts top of the charts making it to the top of the word twelve year old boys. Yeah that's fine. Welcome can't boy. You may think you're listening to adult women you know we talk about poop. The joke's on a new mother fuckers. Of course this became an immediate hit in the UK but in order to get the attention of US Americans across the pond and we were gonNA need something to catch her is like a music video because while Justin's amazing falsetto range in the band's slamming Guitar Solos. Those were big in England. Not so much of the time for Americans because I was thinking about this too if you remember some kind of monster took out all of the Tar wrestles Guitar Solos. Were not a thing in the early off. It was threat any of the ADS. I think it was still pretty into a new metal title right. Yeah we still unfortunately balls deep at least cubes deep into the new medal. Yep there were tickle tickle in our ball all pupae for share still slipknot was still a screaming at everybody's ball sack I do believe slipknot still screaming at some ball socks they are. You're a long damn them and corn. There is still screaming at Balzac. Name went on a tour together and proud of them. It's the ball Scott both both sex green tour ball scream tour twenty twenty dreaming balls I'll think of angry underway to put that thank scream Paul scream ball sacks green sack scream who sack scream tour sack scream tour sacks. Green Ball got interesting dress up for this. If you'RE GONNA get your sack screamed at to Jonathan Davis you gotta put it on your best goes and get your fancy wallet. Chains means out. You better clean your chain to be honest. I don't like have that scuffed up chain at that concert also a decent wallet with a decent fold. Yeah don't don't wear wallet buy yourself a new one and get yours. Flames are real faded. On your wallet. You know what I'm talking about and get that really nice trenchcoat out of the closet. You're Nice Trench Co Nice trenchcoat. This was exactly what my prom date war for all my G. He fucking late full. Yeah Yeah Wow we went on a tangent. I Apologize O- 'cause I was talking about how Guitar Solos weren't a thing. Oh Yeah and then we got new medal. Okay wow that was awful. See what the odds due to us. The darkness is the one shining one of the few shining lights. Yeah see really is so. Here's this band. They're coming in singing great having great guitar. Solos America's not have it right now because we're just like love and our garbage music right so enter MTV the channel that used to be responsible for exposing us to music that you needed to see to the here and now is responsible for killing all of our brain cells and putting out content. That is just pointless. Useless and Doesn't help anybody walk. We all have our Jersey shore phase. It doesn't mean we're proud of it. I had my catfish fees I still watch. Catfish is like yeah. But you're right it's garbage. Melt your brain stop doing it. They got their hands on the ultra ridiculous music video for the song and toss it in airplay for the masses to eat it right away. We fucking did they did. If you haven't seen this video you can pause for a hot second and go watch it. Yeah it's grand tastic. But also my entire I'd say Sophomore Year of College. The all of my visuals all of my memories have this video playing in the background. Because if I was as in every time I went to the dining hall which was at least three times a day because you ate three meals three meals a day ago. This video was on the fucking TV. Like I five times of four. I left the dining hall. Oh you had a core school than I did. I never TV my dining hall and then a we had a bunch of them and they would just play MTV. You nope nope and then I go back to my dorm and have MTV you on and the fucking video played fifteen times before. I went class and then I would go somewhere while I'm walking on My Way to class to a cafe or something that had a TV on it. Fuck videos playing every single memory. I have my sophomore and probably my junior year has has I believe in a thing called love playing in the background. I was your college soundtrack. It really was man. New Poll Tesla. TV's yeah only really in the dining room that's fair. That's where they belongs well in the states we weren't gonNA understand that. The song is fun until we saw the band performing on a spaceship while all fighting a giant octopus monster all while wearing tight SPANDEX and glitter. Yes yes it's just about one of the most ridiculous videos you could ever watch and it's fantastic and even though this was the beginning of the digital special effects age they didn't actually use any CGI to create this video it was all motherfucking. Puppets was all practical effect. Yes everything the hired director Alex Smith who initially worked with them to create a low budget video video for the song and it just the boys running around a grocery store wreaking havoc. It was all fun complete with Justin singing into a sausage. It's all L. sausage acids to me. He was definitely not playing the insulted sauce. It wasn't he was just playing the sausage on land but they were later later given a larger budget and decided to really go big with the second attempt though they did keep the justin singing into the same exact sausage said Eh couple months got Kinda ripe I can imagine but do you know that part re singing into a sausage in the video no I don't yeah watch it real close I yeah I remember. I was recently watching it while researching this and it was excess sausage. When I found this is Mike? That's a sausage. I haven't seen it in a very long time. I'll I'll went out to. Yeah it's the same sausage in the original video. A big help on the creature creation was Jim and John Friedlander Dr. Jim is well known for his work with the doctor. Who Franchise where he made props and puppets for the show like the daleks Alex Taco? Neither do I but I do watch the great British breaking show where multiple people have tried to make Dolac from like cookies. Excuse as me biscuits sounds delicious. I'll eat it. He also worked on things like the the robot dog canine. He did a lot of work for the show. I believe that is pronounced robot. Oh I'm sorry. The robot dog Kanai story they had some real legitimacy going into this. They wanted their camp to be taken. Seriously God Damn it God give it. The song did amazing and shot the darkness into the mainstream. However it never quite hit number one losing out to black eyed peas? Where's the love my fucking God? Canny this was not eighteen. This was the era of the black black eyed peas omitted the fucking radio for like a good. What four years thousand? Dark time we don't. That was the dark ages history books if he knows the Dark Ages were the dark times. We don't talk about the dark times. Coming in second would would be a thing they got used to. As that year. They also released their holiday jam. Christmas time don't let the bells end of that song. That is pretty much. That and Christmas wrapping by the waitresses are like the two Christmas songs. I can ge- actually actively jam two. That's far they're both pretty solid hits. Yeah well it did not hit the UK number one Christmas songs slot that we've discussed codes that that's a thing in England you gotta get that coveted. UK number one Christmas Song. Yeah they all do Christmas songs. Don't do Christmas songs. And they're trying to reach number one the all do the TV shows do Christmas specials all of that. Oh Yeah No. Every day. Downton Abbey would like crawl out of their hibernation Russian holes and do a Christmas episode. Sherlock did the same thing. They fucking love Christmas over there. It's Dr Easy Stop Up. I mean I guess I don't know if you're from England and you think differently because you know differently. Please let us know. I mean granted. We do go fucking overboard for Christmas business here. But I feel like it's in a different way like a grocer way in fucking disgusting capitalist kind of way we do that. We don't celebrate so much as we WANNA fuck instead people over getting elmo toys shit gross well. The as great as the song is uh-huh did not hit the number one slot. It lost out to that God damn cover of mad world by Gary Jules a travesty like that fuck fuck. I hate that song. I'm GonNa Shit on fire. Well I guess this is a good place to take a break. Then so Ashley can go set things certifiers. I'll be right back all right. We'll be right right. Back is go get a beer and we back no. Hey back story of the darkness so they did it holy pulls it off cool. The darkness is a huge success. Going from their small yet. Fanatical fan base in England to getting radio. Play all over the world in touring with big. Names like Metallica tour And headlining the Carling Festival in two thousand four. Wow they're a big deal now. They were a big deal kind of a big deal now they won tons of awards in the UK like best rock album for the Karang arm. Sorry Karang awards yes an exclamation point. I'm sorry it's Karang has woes mows. The Brit awards permission to land is still held high in regards. Today it is so good it is quite good listen to it. It's fucking concerned really good party. Rock album super is landing still on many greatest albums lists from various publications even today as it should buzzfeed one hundred greatest party rock sees number ten will surprise you. We right list ICAL UH-HUH. I JUST WANNA realistic. Oh about testicles. Testicle logistical number ten testicles for nine testicles pulls number eight Scott a surprise you BALZAC yacht. We can totally rape punts. He eat every could high hampers. Hip buzzfeed Atta seriously ad- ca- Doley fucking great for you. Well guys. The story is the same. Same touring is a lot. It's even harder when you start working on your follow up album. It's probably even harder. When you're fucking touring with your brother either way you kind of grew up with the student you know Marocco get sick of them? I don't know for the darkness. I think it's important to add in the. They were feeling a lot of pressure to match the success of their debut album. Of course. Of course I mean come on. Sophomore efforts are really as good. It is the first like if your first albums really good. Your Sophomore is not going to be as good. It's just not. Yeah and that's fine. I never expect your sophomore effort to be good guys. I never expect season to to be good I never expect the second in Psalm. Installment of a book or movie series to be good because usually people are under way too much pressure at that point so if it gets big everybody Kinda fucks it up. Yeah and it's okay. That's when you should fuck it up because we're expecting you to fuck it up. All of this seeped. It's its way into the band's personal lives. Tensions were high and arguing was commonplace at this point. By this time Justin and his girlfriend slash manager sue head split up and he was not handling it. Well Oh he said he got a Prince Albert piercing because he wanted to get the most painful piercing because he didn't like himself at the time. Yeah also not a useful piercing. It's not it doesn't do anything for you. It does not. It doesn't do anything for anybody. Well Kim well just thing at getting that that sounds terrible. He apparently does not happen anymore. He took it out good because it was a bag with these. Say It doesn't do anything for the lady. Yeah you really does it. I don't know about like doing it for the dude. Maybe it robs the prostate road. I don't know I don't have a prostate. Neither neither do I. So we're never GONNA also don't go near my butt so don't touch my butthole don't touch my butthole still the nearby autobiography. Don't touch my butthole. But this wasn't his only self destructive behavior. He also picked up a pretty hefty cocaine habit. Did I know I said No. Oh heroin but I didn't say no drugs. Yeah Eight said that he spent one hundred and fifty thousand pounds on cocaine in a year. Holy Fuck Fox. Is that a lot. Yeah that's probably two hundred thousand American rabidly more than that. I'm really bad at math. And that 'cause like this is like two thousand four hundred and five five and the pound. The pound was way better than the dollar at this point. Almost not quite double. It was way better because when I went to Ireland the the euro and the pound is better than the euro. Yeah this who turns out. The Bush administration was not great for our economy. Who would have thought I? I thought it was fucking fantastic. I know so many great things Maggie. Now I'm so glad we graduated during the Bush administration. That was great for us so happy about all these things mail. It just really helped us out in her career paths. Also he's not in endurable GRANDPA so fucking stop. Yeah Guys I. I know trump's a monster but like the Bush isn't great the that doesn't make Bush okay in comparison. That's a straw man. Argument doesn't work still. The boys went back back to the studio to work on this next album. were all the chips are on the table. So they brought in the big guns with producer. Roy Thomas Baker. Whose name may sound familiar because of his work with the band queen on their first five albums? Oh which are fucking bangers. Yeah however even bringing in such such a force couldn't stop the usual band drama from unfolding in addition to Justin's blatant drug and alcohol problems. Frankie ended up leaving his spot as bassist early in the recording process. Initially the claims were that it was an amicable split but later Frankie revealed to an Emmy magazine that he was pushed out by Justin ensue. He wasn't quite sure why or maybe he just wasn't saying why yet he didn't talk poorly about the band. In fact he was still very very excited about the sophomore release saying Hazel is is his favourite track quote. I defy anyone after a couple beverages to listen to. Hayes lies standing up and not get the Michael Frattini's the Michael Flatley flat lease. Michael Flatley River dance. Oh brings evidence and an intern kick your legs up. Because that's how Irish people we done out. He's no arms. No ARMIJO JOE move those fucking arms down. They don't exist any today elbow. Move on fucking charge this river dance. Rob Your aside tying your hands together. Well Michael Flatley is like he's strict. Leave driver you. GotTa you gotTa be mayhem ahead. Moves though sweet. Sweet River dance moves. Frankie spot was taken over by their Guitar Tech Richey Edwards ads though most darkness songs are group efforts. He isn't credited with any of the writing. Nearly at this point he just took over. He's leaving doing duty. He's like their session basis. Kind of right now. Yeah Yeah One. Hundred percent despite costly delays. All the band issues. They did release one way ticket to hell and back in November. Two thousand five a really good song at least yeah. I mean like singles. Good yeah there's a couple of tracks tracks on that album. That are they're pretty it's worth. It's worth a listen through new. Grab a couple of Euroleague right before its release just in one a copy of it on Ebay for three hundred earn fifty pounds in order to track down. Whoever sold the digitally marked advance copy? We rent it from happening again. He bought it or he put it on their bought audit out. Somebody put out a digitally mark advance copy on Ebay. That's a big deal by you. Get their information yes he. He went on to buy it to figure out who did it so I never said who did it or at least any of thing that I went up. They never said who did it. They might be ridiculous. They might wear spandex but they have integrity. They do have entirety. Tim He might be high on cocaine. He Iraq so in it right now but he has dignity he really is kind of Deng kind of is like at this point. Yeah he's really does cocaine anywhere SPANDEX. e-eh e-eh the album debuted at number eleven but unfortunately fell to number thirty four. The following week it failed to reach the success of their debut. Byu And at this point has only reached platinum status. And I say only because permission to land is five times platinum. Oh Yeah not quite diamond. knoll critics were unimpressed with the hyper masculine themes the many references to cocaine. Because like you're saying what you know about all right. Yeah and Dick Jokes upon Dick Jokes raining throughout the songs today. I tried to hear the jokes. I mean at this point guys were over halfway through this episode. You know. We're here for the Dick Jokes. We've already made a Lotta Dick Jokes will make more. Let Paul Jokes today actually. Yeah I kind of Uboldo Day the toward for a time but sticking mostly to UK and Ireland in a few spots in Australia and Japan because Australia Japan fuck so does Canada. The fans the hype seemed to have burned out for the darkness Aban that fell about as quickly as they shot up by the second. Half of two thousand thousand six enough was enough for Justin. He decided to take control of his life again. He checked himself into Rehab as he was growing more concerned about his physical mental health throughout for all the cocaine and alcohol. You know who didn't do that. Was it Kurt. Cobaine Kirk Bain. Was Kurt Cobaine While he was in Rehab the best the best news source ever the British tabloids. Oh boy they're not terrible. No they began circulate rumors that the darkness was breaking up because he was in Rehab so clearly. The band's going to break clearly well it just so happened happen that after Justin got out of re have had the darkness broke up for once the British tabloids were Kinda right. Yeah Yeah there can be a lot of things attributed to this the stress of creating their last album that didn't do as well as they hoped the inner band turmoil the drugs and the overall rock and roll lifestyle years later Justin would say he just felt. The band stopped being creative And maybe there's something to attribute their to do whatever the reason the darkness was over. But that didn't mean anyone planned on leaving the music Biz. The remaining members gathered together to create something nothing new something called stone gods which lead more towards a mix of like hard rock and heavy metal I don't WanNa say say but rock because it is more talented than but rock but it's kind of a generic heavy metal. They're heavy rock sound elevated but rock talented talented but rock listenable bought raw There we go. That's rub. Ritchie moved up to lead vocals flesh rhythm guitar. And they brought in dance friend Toby Macfarlane to base they landed a spot supporting thin lizzy on a UK tour which is definitely yeah healthy pushing Garner them some popularity. Who was fronting thin lizzy? I don't know at the time I'm not one hundred percent. Sure I need to look into into that right now i. I'm sorry. I didn't do thin lizzy research because asshole. But they did love thin lizzy so the fact that they was an honor and a delight. Yeah Yeah Two thousand eight. They were headlining their own. UK Tours and they even released an EP. They're doing it. Yeah making a happen. I'M NOT GONNA go too deep into the story of the stone Gods. 'cause I just wasn't super interested but basically what you need to know is. They did receive much critical acclaim in many nominations for best new band when they came out though they never really gained a lot of commercial. Success the critic said they were great. The public was like refined. Yeah also during this time. Ed had to step down as drummer due to health. Complications caused by osteoporosis. What that sounds like his bones are disappearing? Yeah it's basically like a blood disease affecting his bones. yikes yeah yikes on bikes painful. The had a few replacements here and there and kept quite busy on the festival circuit but it seems they were all too aware that perhaps the stone gods peaked as a mediocre relate offs. Hard rock band probably weren't going to see a ton of success beyond now but they kept trying but I might be They kind of in my mind seemed like the UK equivalent of maybe like Velvet Revolver. Yeah like they've had a couple hits but but they were pretty generic and the fact that everybody in the band was extremely dynamic and talented but when they were together who's just flatlined. They were missing. Something Yeah Yeah and can you name a velvet revolver song. Yeah exactly you know Velvet Revolver. Yeah you remember that they had that song and it was Scott. Weiland in the guns and roses slash is off. Duff I think duffin slash Rashtra both in it slash slash agile. My God they should be superheroes called Delfin slash. Somebody make that comic. Meanwhile Justin kept busy with his own musical projects under the the name British whale he released a cover of the spark song. This town big enough for the both of US tours. That was fun however my favorite Solo a moment by Justin has to be when he joined up with British rb and soul singer Beverley Brown for the song. They don't make them like they used to which they submitted did for the bid to represent the U K in the world famous. Yiddish fucking. Love your overs. We've got made fun of so much for. Oh no naughty little French kids fuck understand that we don't have shit the America. We have absolutely nothing like everyone. American idol fuck that no it w and compare and like we don't even get yet eurovision broadcast on TV here. We don't get like we can barely get k pop played on the radio here for Fuck Sassa like who did win. We have the ability to see some aspect of Eurovision. It is a fucking event. d'esposito was probably probably the most culturally diverse song that ever got big at America and it was still Justin Bieber wasn't it. He was in it. He guested yeah. Yeah so so I think about that. Don't understand like we don't get to experience other cultures because we really don't despite the fact that we are supposed to be the world's melting pot everywhere card. Exactly yeah we are. We're not even chef salad. We are a side salad at this point. Yeah Kinda but despite being the favourite to win they lost out to some British Akwa rip off named Scoot Scoot. Excuse okay so Schloffmans Kuch Schlofmitz Gooch thump squish down Super Ikya but also Super British like a weird Wallace Wallison. GROMIT kind of thing also a door will that sounds like it should be like a penguin and Walrus often in school age. Oh horrible well. They only managed to reach twenty two out of twenty four in the competition. So maybe a fucked up. UK voting public. Yeah what can chew do you did you. Did you fucked up. But just an easily dusted himself off from the experience went on to start a new band called hot leg Hotlanta Hotlanta not both of them just one. They released an album called red light fever which failed to make any real dent in the charts parts. Just peaking at number eighty seven. Yeah Yeah considering. The lack of interest in his newer works. It was time to sit back and really consider where to go. Go from here. Yeah Yeah Not really. I really do what he wants to be doing doing. A whole lot on the charts. So it's not really hitting them shirts hard not rock climbing the shark gotta go back. Plan out your shirts. Better with both divided factions feeling pretty unsatisfied with what they've ended up with it was time to reflect on the good old days when music was just fun and lighthearted and they were creating with like minded friends goofy. And just. It's the kind of boys having a good time. We're having good sexy boys having a good time. Dan just began to hang out again now. The ladder totally totally sober in time healing many wounds they would spend time playing computer games. which slowly evolved into writing music together? They quickly saw what they were missing this whole time. It was soon after that that they got the band back together. Bans getting back together again back together guys and it was the Oji lineup. Justin Dan Frankie and Ed who successfully treated for his Osteo necrosis. Oh that's nice. Once again. They formed the darkness they spent. Two thousand eleven touring extensively around the UK in celebration and promotion a- and these big time queen fans ran for a real treat when when they were joined by. Brian May at some of their performances is going to say please tell me. It's Adam Lambert off big time queen fans for a lot of disappointment disappointment when they were joined by Adam Lambert who thinks he's queen. He's not queen not clean and also Brennan. Roger said telling him he's Queen. Yeah he's not Queens telling you que- and actually just so happened that Brian is a big fan of the darkness. Actually from the early days. They've I've seen an interview with Brian. Ride making other absolutely town quite lovely and not just really enjoyed them. Brian me knows what the fuck is up. Ryan may knows what the fuck is up. He does though he gets it on. The what's potline hotline. One night it was really. It was such a good episode. That's not the only stadium filling Ling musician. Who wanted a piece of this reunion of the doc in two thousand twelve? They supported Lady Gaga on the European leg of her born. This way tour many were in in disbelief. Why this would even happen? Why not? And here's thing I've been to a Gaga concert. She is well known for having high energy. Rock Bands Open War wore her. He's one hundred percent makes the most sense out of everything you've been on so far band that's going to perform right not a ban this she's going to stand there and play. She wants a performance because that grow puts on a per four months right she does not put on a concert. This makes Absolute perfect sense. Yeah if you've ever been to a guy got concert. This checks one hundred percent. This GIG couldn't happen at a better time as they. They just released hotcakes. Their comeback album cakes. They decided to go back to their roots. A bit and get more of a feel the first record one way ticket received criticism for sounding too polished so they wanted a raw sound to come through here. The majority of the album was accorded at dance. Ends farm in Norfolk now. That they've had their hiatus they were no longer under the Atlantic label and quite frankly they were fine with that yeah they created their own label. Canary Canary Dwarf. CHURRY DOOR CANARY DOORS. Yeah that's logical Show much sense so much sense merely they wanted to be able to license Out The music to other indie labels they would end up working with play it again. Sam and wind up records for this release. hotcakes came out to positive reviews. News with many happy to see the return of this great band it reached number one in the UK rock chart chart and number two in the US rock chartres. What short shorts but nothing can last forever especially in the darkness in twenty fourteen? Ed left the band for what seemed to be ongoing issues with his health. That's US unit. Crosses a hell of a pain when you got the bone death I mean yeah. It's not great. Come back from that. Hey hope can no one comes back from the bone deaths. Yeah it seemed rather amicable the rest of the boys wished him luck with all future projects objects since leaving. He has kept himself busy joining up with other bands here and there but one can only assume that being in a full time band does take a toll on his body body so he's just Kinda keep his side I can imagine. He can't drum very well with bone death nope it really no anders that will really gonna do probably somewhat comfortably maybe keyboards yeah. Maybe he was thusly replaced with emily. Emily Dolan Davies Yep. They had a female drummer for a hot minute. Oh I didn't know that he did. She played on their fourth studio album. Last of our kind and author creative relationship works. Just fine touring was a little different Emily is a session drummer and she has many commitments. It made it really hard to the tour with the darkness just an even admitted they can be a pretty demanding band. They do a lot of tours. So by Twenty fifteen. Emily left to pursue her other works leaving guys with just one choice for her replacement. The had a friend who worked as Brian. May's Guitar Tech 'cause obviously at this point they're friends with queen the COD. What a life and right after? Emily joined the band. The Guitar told them about a drummer. He knew who he thought would be perfect information that would have have been more useful to them yesterday out but still they kept it in their back pocket for a liter time just in case. And that's how they ended up hiring hiring Rufus Tiger Taylor son of Roger Taylor Drummer of Queen. Yup and this fucking guy looks just like Roger. He really does. It's crazy crazy and they're both drummers Yup fucking just follow right. His Dad says footsteps they were like as this makes sense. Apple doesn't fall far from the charts. No it doesn't it doesn't at the time. Roof was touring with queen playing drums alongside his his dad and I guess like during some of the sets they would have like drum offs and stuff is really cute. That's cute that's fun. That's fun for them. Better than watching Adam Lambert it really is though it was only a matter of time before Rufus might want to join his own groups though so this was the perfect scenario for all parties involved. Rufus joined the darkness to help promote their latest release which was another overall well received piece of work. Last of our kind was again recorded at Dan's. He's home in Norfolk and this time. It was produced by him as well with this album. They were looking to hit more of a medieval rock. Sound okay. It comes across in a few of their tunes. Okay all of them but a few of them barbaria definitely. Yeah Yeah Easily Fun music to you should look it up. They also released another Christmas song called. I am Santa but it doesn't really hold a candle to the original Christmas attempt. Yeah when going back into the studio in two thousand sixteen. The brought along producer Adrian Bushby who had previously worked with smashing Pumpkins Muse Foo fighters and Alba tone of others with great success. That's an impressive list right. The resulting album is called Pinewood smile and like previous releases it you did great in the UK but the US basically acted like they don't exist. There was a large expanse of time between one way ticket to hell and I'm back and when we heard from them again like recent like a year maybe we didn't really even hear from them and it just so happened that I looked them up at the right place at the right time I think by we see you me. Yeah don't think these guys is take it easy either. Just last year they released. Easter is cancelled which we discovered kind of by accident and it was like oh they just released album but has yeah but they released like five other albums. Oh in the last ten years old still doing it but we would never know in the in the states. It's received generally a good reviews doesn't seem to have climbed very high on the charts but it's still really good. It is a subsequent tour has been happening. And they're coming to the US and we should try to catch them. Yeah I really want to try to make this happen. The last time they came around nobody wanted to go with me so I will go with you. Yeah I didn't know back. Then that's fair. He no you can also say the things like spotify and Pandora. It's harder now and even youtube to really gauge. How well Asong does or how well abandon intern? Album does or how popular they are in a particular country yeah whereas we would go and actively seek them out and listen to their music a lot I I have. I don't pay attention to the charts anymore. No so I have no idea how well they're doing. Generally in the United States so here I am thinking making all the darkness is doing great. They have a new album. It's really good. Everybody loves it. In the meantime nobody else across the United States gives a fuck and shit. Exactly Zack. And I'm like well. Why aren't the touring the US and like doing all these big venues and stuff like that? 'cause nobody knows now of of Sun on top forty radio birth well. They've spent a lot of times supporting bands like guns and roses and Hollywood vampires which Shiny Shawny Depths. And isn't it. Yeah boy boy. The old gay wind chime has banned. Yeah great but it's funny because I feel like these crowds wouldn't really appreciate the fun that comes with the with the darkness so I think it's an interesting choice but I mean they seem to be doing well and they get along well now with the tourism this brings me to the heart of the matter. Why is it that a ban that works this fucking hard and is consistently good not more popular? Well there's a variety of reasons firstly. There's a little problem. They have with making friends in the Biz. Not so much today but when they first came out just in particular did not like the naysayers who all of a sudden jumped on the bandwagon which I can kind of feel this feel like I don't want to be friends with somebody who denied me all is time and then all of a sudden I get popular. And they're like Oh. Hey and you're like no I live. Feels that exactly the same exactly. How just an acted when the glastonbury festival? Founder Michael tried to get the darkness on the bill after dismissing dissing them a plunge previously Justin said he was done or a cock depending on who you ask either way pretty good right. He also put Chris Martin of Coldplay at his place saying he phoned in his performance for band aid. Twenty just doing it to raise his image. He also got into a bickering match with Bono over a line line that they were fighting over to that. But one fucking Bano line do do. What's one from Christmas for Bono's lake at least it's them instead of you? Oh I don't know who or something like that in like just in the Singaporean and wanted to keep it a big fight over that he also has a tendency to piss off the strokes an emmy and even when after Frankie at one point don't give a fucking shit about what the strokes feel like jokes from me on me. Don't fuck this strokes who cares. Strokes is care. I don't care if the strokes care this stroke my Dick. I don't know what their names about. I don't know it's clear. All of these moments of shade probably happened when he was really messed up on coke and booze but the damage was done. It's really hard to repair your image edge after you've burnt that many bridges. Yeah even if we don't care about them they care about themselves to watch and of course many thinks thinks they're joke but nothing could be further from the truth. Their music and visuals come from a place of love and admiration for the craft. And they're not here to take themselves overly Lee Serious Li like other musicians. Yeah and I think that's the thing is that they don't mind taking the pissing themselves. They have fun. That's part of their charm but a lot of people like but like you don't take yourself seriously in there like we do because we know how to play on fucking instrument we know how to make good music. Yeah we can you you know. Take the PISS and have fun and we don't have to wear the world's most serious lyrics and move bassus. They've said many times there is humor in rock and roll so so considering how few bands seem to be enjoying themselves. Because let's think about it. How many bands released seem to be having that much fun playing rock and roll? Perhaps there's just a lack of real rock in this day and age could be it would just be nice in the Sea of bloated old rockstars. Who would rather forget lyrics than take a break or planned but rock bros.? Taken the stage if we could celebrate more bands like the darkness who are truly talented musicians here to have a good time. I'm in bringing us all along for the ride. That would be phenomenal. Yeah here for that. I WanNa ride the roller coaster. Sure I am. I'm here for it I want it. I want more darkness. Give it to me. I want more fun I have so I realized I have been listening to rock absolutely because no fun anymore. Yeah exactly why listen to it. It's also very serious. Seems Cords outling voice unless testicle list Ecoles Let's charts More slump and falsetto and falsetto and on SPANDEX. Yes era guys get get on it and ladies everyone get on it if you feel like maybe there's more to this band than what we covered. You're probably probably right again. This was a hard band of research. Yeah because wasn't there. Didn't Dan have a pretty serious bout of Anorexia. I didn't WanNa tell too hugh much that I didn't have solid info on. You know what I mean like. I've heard about that but I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the whole story is behind that. Yeah because again and it's just so hard to research yeah. I remember reading an article shortly after permission to land. Actually know is probably a couple of years after permission to land came out. The Dan was talking about how he Got Anorexia Anorexia because of a lot of the pressures. Yeah he was dealing with with their huge fame after I believe in love blew up on you know. He felt like you know He. This was his way of having having control over something a career that was kind of going out of control especially with Justin and his drug and alcohol issues and all that stuff so yeah yeah. Yeah there's definitely way more to the story. It's a little hard to research it is. It's it's a big. It's and maybe I easily easily miss things I know I did So few no more of the story or if you know where to find those articles you can please send them to us. We'll post them on our social media and four shore and something else to keep an eye out for is a documentary. That is years in the making. I'm very excited about this. And I wanted to happen really bad now. I wanted to wait for it but I don't know when it's actually a group of Independent. Filmmakers began following them around as the toured and recorded since twenty. Fifteen the tons of footage from the recording SPEC- secreted in Ireland to personal interviews with each band. Member Justin discusses trying to be a dancer dancer but injuring himself. Frankie talks about how. He's the weird uncle the group so it seems to have been pushed back a year or two. It's slated for release this year. I don't know if it'll come out in my you could even just google goal like the darkness. Documentary is on Indie Gogo. You can read about it. They have a couple of clips up. Yeah thing is close. Yeah they seem pretty the hell bent on it coming out this year so definitely keep your eyes peeled. That's GonNa paint a really good picture that I don't know if I could convey as well. They're funny because they are definitely a band that goofs around and has a lot of fun but you can also tell his incredibly sincere in everything everything they do. Yeah and that's what makes me really enjoyed them to their music is phenomenal. And they are just decent human beings who are having the time of their lives and they. I want you to have the time of your life. Yeah I think that is The big thing about them. That endures is their level of sincerity. Yeah with their music yet. They're fucking goofy is faulk but you can tell that they're being serious about what they're putting out there. As far as music goes there music playing their music is really good. Watch them play. They are legit playing complicated stuff. Yeah so I don't know why why you can't take that seriously but here we are. You can be funny and make good music at the same time. Yeah and maybe we should all learn to lighten up a little bit. Yeah we're we're all tense right now. Darkness does it Devin Townsend. Does it all these people have very great. Andrew W K does it they have great sense of humor and they make really good fucking music so like how fun was yourself. Yes all sit back. have good time yourselves. I agree yes we. We hope you enjoyed yourself all listening to talk about an enjoyable band. Thank you all so much for listening. We appreciate you in love you. If you want to show us more love and appreciation you can go to apple podcasts. And Give us a five star review due for another one so come on yes We very excited. You can also visit our website. WWW DOT ROC caney podcasts dot com comments on the episodes sends seaman or crab anyone of our social media links because we got facebook instagram and twitter. 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Rock Candy Ep. 105: Death - Rock Fire Funk Express

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Rock Candy Ep. 105: Death - Rock Fire Funk Express

"Breath uh-huh oh. Yeah no I mean. I knew that already. Apparently not everyone is aware of this guy guys to to not know this key cedeno. No Gino Monet can do whatever the fuck she wants. Yeah 'cause she'll always do a good fucking job like she did. At the Oscars ha ha we watch the Oscars this is Lisa statler and Waldorf the shit out of the Oscar only watched about half of it and then we're like we need to go home. It's late but then I went home and then turn it back on just in time to see the best picture award. Being awarded works. That end words work bre parasite they won. They won. I actually like once we left the bar. I stopped giving any the for edvin giving. We should give fuck about parasite winning though because it was the first time a foreign language movie won best picture really and yeah it was a South Korean. You know I didn't know that a foreign film never blowing twenty very first time a foreign film won best picture at the Oscars I were doing it guys real progressive here really doing it. Whatever it's fine award shows are dumb? I mean the fact that we watch the Oscars and not the grammy's is kind of telling highlight watching Oscar's sometimes though I like watching the beginning of the Oscars and then the end and of the Oscars everything in between I don't give to fucking shits about but the beginning of the end. I like looking at the pretty dresses. I like seeing like best actor actor. Best Actress Best Director. Best Picture and everything in between Kim fuck off. I didn't watch any of the nominees for anything. Yeah I wasn't really paying attention all that much and the funny thing is if we watched the grammys at least we'd kind of understand what's going on. I feel like when I watch the Oscars. I'm just kind of honestly I kind of feel like I would know less about the grammys. Damn I don't know who have two people that show up to. The grammys are tools there. I think they were doing the. It's the only one because that's the only metal band that the academy new. Yeah they're like. I've heard of this tool band nominate them. This tool I understand this. The kids are into this right. Kids are in is like twenty years ago dude but it's fine we'll roll with it. They just put out a new album so yeah sure give him a fucking award share the deserves more awards to. Oh Yeah. She does because we're opening. Performance was pretty amazed by fire F. I. Ra okay. I can spell. Yeah I think that's actually why we start giving about the Oscars. They were like we know how to get Maggie nationally evolved in this genetic shit. You got to humid there right but they are. We are into it. Yeah yeah but I mean that was our that was our hot take on the Oscars. Welcome Iraq Handy. Aren't you glad you got that. Yup Your weekly podcast that actually will be bringing you. Sweet treats of stories and tales from the world of music now movies because we are not a movie podcast. Yeah we're hosts on me and I'm Ashley in today. We are not talking about movies. We're not at all talking about music And we were talking about a band that none of you've probably heard of. Yeah we're very few of you have probably heard of. Yeah but we also heard about this band through a movie that is true we did right. Yeah we went to such inception because we went to see Mandy. Yes and The group that was presenting Mandy hold on also was presenting the documentary. That I used for research wasn't Mandy though. Or was it. Lords of chaos. Oh Shit Outside yes lords Rony Kovac to our lords of chaos. Or if you if you want to hear that by the way guys lords of chaos is now on Hulu so if you want to see the absolute flute ship bomb up a movie ship of a movie yeah you can go and watch it on Hulu now thinking quotas on that lords of chaos ship. I'm of a movie movie. Yeah it really is really is but This ban that we're talking about. We teased it last week at the end of our episodes but this is a ban Dan that you probably haven't heard of and might make some people angry. Oh 'cause going to say it. These guys were punk before for punk was punk. They're very punk yeah. This band is called death death and they are not what you would expect from a band called death breath. Yeah but Yeah death definitely sounds like a black metal band. There is a metal band called death. But it's not as good as this death. It's not the same now. saw the same thing. I I'M NOT GONNA go super into it yet. Because that'll be spoilers you'll be spoiling. No spoilers oilers town spoil it being spoiled we can go into our beer at least yeah. 'cause it's actually really good scope beer this week. We're drinking death by King Cake from Oscar Blues Buoy tasks how I say guys is an Ale with vanilla cinnamon nutmeg big cacao nibs orange peel and Pecans and I just realized that it's supposed to be like a Mardi gras thing. Yeah if you don't know can cake is a Mardi gras thing in New Orleans Louisiana and it is a cake that they hide a baby in not a real. It is is a little baby. This is where I got are Lord of Misrule cake from idea remember we put a racist humor hop in it. Yeah so oh you put a little fake plastic baby in the cake and whoever cuts the peace with the baby you would think is going to get pregnant. They're not just. Oh the next king cake next year unless my coworker who's from Louisiana lied to me because she didn't want me get upset about being afraid of getting pregnant but either per per governent Propganda N. Antionette but yes. It's it's actually. It's a tasty cake I like it. I really enjoyed it and it's fun. It's fun little get together with your friends. Anthony King Cake. We don't have that we don't get that kind of fun. No upstate. New York in the northeast. We have to be cold and angry and bitter. Yeah Yeah we have to make our own fun which is honestly just. It's just drinking a it's laborious laborious but this beer is quite tasty and it was really funny how we ended up with it because I just saw it posted by one of our favorite bars or sixteen in troy. You around here go check. It is a great bar but I saw posted to their instagram. And I said all I really WANNA drink this I showed stash LE- let's go and then all of a sudden it's like wait a minute. This is a great beer for tomorrow. So we stood up way too late drinking beers watching the Oscars and getting beer for today so we're slightly productive. I think think it was productive. Yeah a lot of shenanigans surrounding one productive act. Yeah yeah that's usually what happens. That's pretty much. How most of our nights let's go anyway? So that's still on the beer. If you guys see it highly just picking it up. It's not even as like it. Sounds like it's a lot of bullshit but it doesn't taste like audible shit. So pick it up trinket and now in fucking like it fucking like it and you will like it that you you don't have to be forced you know we're not gonNA try this my arm but that's not what we're here to talk about. We're here to talk about the band. The myth the legend band called Death van called death and on that note I suppose I should reference Meyer reference for sources for my sources. Yes show me the receipts. Meyer receipts are a documentary. Called a band call death. Yes which I did WANNA see and I still haven't seen yet because now I'm like. Why should we episode well? I got a Amazon Prime Channel. Seven Day free trials. You can watch Eh. But it's it's worth getting the free trial it's a really good documentary and the boys in this band are delightful late fall. Yeah they're the kind of people that laugh after every single sentence and just like everything is great and funny and they you just make the the best set of like any horrible situation. 'cause they're constantly laughing. They're just delightful people. Sir People you WanNa be friends exactly act like I would really like to go find them and just hang out with them. Seem like delightful. People already excited because you know how I feel about when we talk about good people there. There's super good people heart warming. It is good but anyway. Let's get into it student so if I told you the PUNK was invented by three black men in Detroit Michigan. You'd probably swear up and down that I was wrong. You're crazy pitch you crazy not the sex pistols fuck the sex pistols. We just lost seven. Listen I don't Care Ah but I'm here to tell you. That punk was not invented by the ramones in New York or the clash in London nor was it honed in the dark corners of CBGB's before any of that existed there was death. A little known band made up of three young black men from Detroit Michigan us us. The story of death is the story of a band that was truly way ahead of their time. They proceeded punk as we know it. At least a couple years but because of geography orphee and a hefty dose of racism. Death were unfairly relegated to obscurity without getting the recognition that they deserve Sounds about right yeah. That's a recipe for disaster racism. No America Nah Yeah. Death begins with the Hackney brothers. David David Born in one thousand nine hundred three and two younger brothers. Danis born in Nineteen fifty five and bobby. The youngest born in Nineteen fifty seven Danis Danis St a N N I S. Dan Is Dennis. Yeah okay. The Hackney's grew up with their eldest brother. Earl junior on the east side of Detroit Croix when motown soul and funk ruled the airwaves. Rock and roll wasn't exactly popular amongst their peers and elders. But the Hackney's were a little bit different this just a little bit little bit just enough different. Mr and Mrs Hackney were legit. They allowed the boys to listen to any type of music. They could get their hands on. Ace The the family were always listening to music usually pumping out of a small radio in their kitchen every day before going to school their mother would turn the radio on while they eat breakfast list. They heard everything from Earth wind and fire to the WHO blasting out of his tiny speakers and they loved it all. Oh that's nice. Yeah the heck feel like. That's really like doc comeback around now. That's really what I do nowadays. Like if I'm just cleaning my house or some mornings I'm just having a cup of coffee I'll just turn on my my robots by Google home and hey play this thing and it's like okay here you go your spotify and I'm like what could that. Yeah my lost that for a really a long time because the cable. TV My go-to Amazon Music playlist is just a fucking mishmash of everything right. Yeah yeah if we had children we'd it'd be good parents but we are not going children so we're not good. Parents were good. Parents are degree music. I think we're fantastic dog. Parents earns so the Hackney's encourage their children to explore all kinds of music. And enjoy every minute of it to them. All music was valuable from Arin. Be Too hard rock thanks. A huge musical awakening happened for the boys when their father set them down on February. Seventh nineteen sixty four to watch the ED Sullivan show. Oh here we go. Oh the Beatles were making their American debut that evening and like many Americans bobby in particular was captivated watching Paul McCartney play made him realize is he really wanted to learn the bass. Paul McCartney looked pretty cool playing the bass. They all kind of. Look pretty cool on the ED Sullivan show but everybody looks good in black and white. Yeah you're right though. Best Filter on Instagram is. God couldn't black visit that inkwell. Inkwell Moon Moon bad when you went that soft off black and white but if you want those deep charcoal tones you go well. Oh definitely we have a big instagram presence. Guys Fokker Instagram instagram presents. Guys we suck at Social Media Guy we really do. You know who looks good in Moon. Though the Beatles the Beatles some moon filter he changed. Set to just Ed Sullivan. But it was David that rallied to get his brothers to start a band with him. The only problem was they didn't have any the instruments. Well that's that's a roadblock but also like every kid when they were younger like started a band when none of them could play any the instruments. Yeah if we've learned anything on this podcast. I definitely did that when I was in eighth grade same and everybody wants to be the lead singer. It's like you can't sing. Yeah Yeah will. You can't play drums you know it's easier to learn drums and singing if you can't sing you're saying you're just Fox. The best they could do at the time was a random guitar that David found abandoned in an alley which he promptly took home and learn to play for two Disley or unfortunately depending on how you look at it. The Hackney's mother was in a car accident and received a hefty settlement from it with the settlement money she very much defined assigned cool mom and brought her sons to the music store and let them go ham. I'm a cool mom. I'm GonNa let I'm not like regular MOM's sons by whatever instrument they want. Let me sons go hard as a mother fucker. They can practice anytime but like she. That's a legit the Jit Kumar. Yeah she bought them everything. They needed to start their own band all sue now all three of them were learning instruments. David Guitar Bobby on Bass and Dana's US on drums. David in particular really took to his instrument practicing constantly and getting really good at playing lead before long the boys started a real man's they call themselves rock fire funk expressed much of like three. Turn your old boys. I feel like it's it's gotta be the name of some kind of like I don't know abandoned fragile rock or something rock express. Very muppets all very rock fire funk express or like something out of Emmet Otter something oh no we're gonNA have to play against the rock fire funk express way way harder hard more hardcore than the river bottom Adam nightmare band. Are you sure this isn't a story about the electric mayhem. It might be. It could mean. Are we just listening to muppets. It's spoilers this turns into them up. No it doesn't oh sorry. The deaths should be on the muppets. Oh if only if only they were the rock fire funk express and they played mostly funk and soul with Iraq edge well they were interested in rock and rock and roll the the music they played with still heavily influenced by where they lived. Their neighborhood was predominantly black. And most people there listen to this type of music. Rock and roll wasn't really of interest to most black communities in Detroit. It was fun console. That really spoke to them. Make sense it's Detroit. It's the home of motown that's All of that changed in April nineteen seventy-three Dan is mom. Were at the Cobo Arena in Detroit Karachi. An Alice Cooper show. Wow she brought her son to an Alice Cooper show she is a ball she is capital. T. The cool mom. Yeah one hundred percent. Yeah and Mrs Hackney. Blue Alice Cooper off as some kind of crazy person. That's fair. The Dennis was captivated. He went home and told his brothers about the show. And how great this hard rock thing was. But they weren't feeling it. Oh data's would have the last laugh. Though a few months later David went to see the WHO on their Quadrophenia tour and was equally blown away after that he was convinced the brothers had to go in a hard hard rock direction. Okay so I'm coming coming back on your whole thing about hard rock. Maybe it's pretty awesome. Yeah I might have been wrong and hard rock might be great and we. We might need to try. This and David was really into Pete Townsend and the way Pete Townsend played. I'm in every other boy. Growing up in the sixties and seventies basically. Yeah and girl I shouldn't I shouldn't presume. Gender Indian space was at a premium in the Hackney household household with six people living in one small house but the brothers convince their parents to let them convert their tiny bedroom into a practice. Space Wait did they share one bedroom room. I think they did hole and it was a very tiny bedroom. It was if it wasn't the three of them. It was at least two of them sharing one bedroom. Well they packed it with drums drums guitars amps speakers recording equipment and there was even any space left for beds and sleep on the floor. Let's get I kids. They're fine they don't have back problems they don't though bounce right back from this exactly but they made it work every day between three and six. PM They would the practice that was their time to play in an exactly six PM. Everything was turned off while they didn't want to Piss off the neighbors by plainly especially because they were already kind of angry about the raucous general. Sounds like you're cool parents. I like that looks like you. Let your kids explore explore who they are. That's weird. I don't like that. We have a very clearly defined idea of what young men should be the. And you're not doing it. you're not upholding that Why are you holding my strict family Christian values what dare dare you? What is this rock and roll rubbish rubbish rubbish? You know people in town definitely noticed them like I said before they lived in a predominantly. Black neighborhood that favored motown. Yeah their friends. Family family and neighbors did not understand why they wanted to play rock and roll or as they called it white boy music yeah. Why couldn't they just be nice? Black boys and play are and be. Ah Ha so it was kind of a reverse. Racism thing that they were still experiencing like they were still like on the receiving receiving end of in a weird way from their neighbors instead of white. People saying you're black you should be playing R. and B. They they were getting flack from their black neighbors. Saying you're black. You should be playing our be. It's very strange is really strange but they just didn't want to play our NBA. Right was in their souls. That's what they wanted to play and no one was going to convince them otherwise they almost continue playing rock out of spite because a pissed. Everyone off so much ah now. They're hitting them teenage years. I'm GonNa Piss you off now. Yeah you're pissing me off I'm GonNa Piss you off there. You go despite the naysayers. They I started getting fans. Their friends knew they practice everyday from three to six and people started showing up for the practices from these practice. Sessions Song started to form one called keep on knocking was inspired by people showing up for practices. They would stand outside the door knocking to get in and hang out with the band but space was limited so it was almost like it became a super exclusive club. Oh my God that's great and I think now's a good time to play some snippets. Yeah here's an example of keep on knocking uh-huh and keep on knocking is a really good tune as a jam It's not as punk as their other songs are. But there's definitely a more hard rock almost blues. But they weren't. They were definitely playing faster. Oh then then. Most rock bands did definitely there. The that was what was making them. Unique was how fast they're playing. Yeah they were playing kind of frantically if they slowed slowed that down it would definitely have that hard rock blues for sure. Yeah very kind of classic rock. Yeah Eric Clapton. -Ie I don't know. Aw Yeah Ish kind of cream. Who Yep that kind of sound for sure so yeah you could definitely see their influences? Yeah in what they were playing with several songs in their repertoire. They started playing small house. Parties around. Detroit's east side. This is when they're sound started morphing from St Rock and roll all to something. No one's really ever heard of especially in Michigan. Oh no they played faster and more frantically with no soaring vocals vocals does that were more spoken word or barked into the Mike Okay. All of the hallmarks of punk rock are in deaths music But the thing is they created aided the sound completely independently of New York or London and they started playing this in like nineteen seventy-one So like really on the precipice purpose of it. Yeah so really. You could say that death was one of if not the first punk band. Yeah these guys were out on their own. They didn't have any up and coming punk. DOC bands to be influenced by in really like the ramones and the clash and the sex pistols like the sex pistols income around until nineteen seventy ninety. Four right so these guys were making this music. Nine hundred seventy one. The clash wasn't really sounding the way they ended up really sounding and closer to the late seventies early eighties right. They were heavily influenced by bad brains right and she was a DC punk band. But I think the thing to really drive home here is this is the seventy S. It is not like it is today where you aren't going to hear music like punk on the radio race. Not even if they're doing it at the same time I think they are doing independently of this movement coming out in New York and London even if flake bands like the ramones were in New York in that area and doing their thing. They were probably doing it around this time but nobody knew who the fuck they were right. They were probably still playing house parties too so they weren't playing CBGB's and something like that not that wasn't a thing and whatever they were doing it wasn't getting back to the Hackney's in Detroit no most of the punk movement I feel like did start with with house parties with just going to somebody's house like hey I got a ban. Hey come over and play on Saturday because I'm having a party right and that was just how you got got your name out. There wasn't clubs It was parties. It was still very early. The sixties and seventies wasn't unless you were in a big city city like New York or London. You've aren't really playing clock. You weren't getting that shit in your ears in a mid west state. No just as they were starting their journey into Proto punk tragedy struck their father. Earl senior wasn't electrician by trade one day. Am One thousand nine hundred. Seventy three URL senior was working on power lines with a trainee. Who being a Newbie did something? Stupid like Shalva screwdriver into a live wire saying the trainy electrocuted himself in the joke catapulted him off. The poll earl senior rushed him to the hospital. Past is too busy bar where people were leaving. A drunk driver pulled out of the bar parking lot right in front of earl senior. He didn't even have time to react and and he slammed right into the drunk driver's car and earl senior died instantly. Oh my God. That's just a fucked up sandwich right there. Yeah I think he's trying to fuck in help. Somebody and this asshole drunk driver kills him. Oh my God I feel like. That's he's already the deal with a lot but then cool drunk drivers like you know what though I'm GonNa draw. I'M GONNA JUMP IN MY truck. That's fine. His death had a huge impact on the family especially especially on David. David's personality changed quite dramatically. After this He started getting really deep into spirituality. Not Really God or Christianity per se but more like the afterlife and spiritual philosophy interesting so they were Christian but it was more like the metaphysical metaphysical stuff in not really like God in general or anything like that Interesting he kind of became obsessed with death after after his dad died. That's he was still a teenager. I think he was in his early. Twenty s at this point still young. Yeah this prompted David who is arguably the leader in driving force behind the band to change their name from rock fire funk express. Wait no but it's such a good name. It's so you'll know you don't know please don't change it. Oh No oh what could you ever come up with that is as catchy as rock fired funk express. I can't even remember anymore. came up with simply death. You know what I like it. Yeah but at the time it was a hard sell. Not just to their fans but to bobby bobby. Indiana's themselves When they ask David Y.? Death here's splendid because Israel which is fucking but that's deep real deep. No they've cut. That is a deep cut. It's one of those simplistic obvious statements that someone says. And you're like Whoa but he's right. Yeah Shit that's got layers the fucking onion onion of a truth. There is an onion of a band name. Yeah he wanted to change people's perception of death and turns something negative into a positive through their music. It's good it's good reason. I I like it. In the spring of Nineteen seventy four. They officially changed their name to death. They had the songs they had the controversial name. Now they wanted a record contract contract while that would seem a bit more complicated than anticipated death. Chemistry gold on the first. Try What David took the yellow pages back where we still had phone books folks phone what books you know the things with paper Ryan but you are there in their phone book anyway. I know what the yellow pages long are actually still. You'll get a phone book really yes I don't I they have actually. They didn't send me one this year. I think I think they finally got the fucking hint. I think it's done. Yeah it's over over. It should be because fuck. We have the Internet in have since thirty years ago. Anyway so we took out the yellow pages ages he ripped out the pages with record labels on it stuck them to the wall in threw a dart at them. What whichever label DART landed on? That's who would they. That's who they would call. I The dirt Nailed Publishing Company called GROOVES Ville productions right. So that's where they went. They auditioned for Bryan Spears. Second can in charge at grooves Ville who absolutely loved them they were signed after auditioning a couple times and they went right into the studio to record as many songs as they could could sp- that doesn't happen. It never happens. I'm telling you it's just like a lot of times. It didn't last very long. Oh anyway what. I'm saying. They're not super talented. Because they are they are they had the talent to back up the lock and they recorded a handful of songs including this one cold rock and roll victim. Now that's so arguably pretty fucking punk at this point. That's it's like quintessential essential Lo fi punk recording right apple P.. punk yeah capital exclamation point. Everyone at grooves Phil was impressed by deaths. Let's enthusiasm except for the CEO. Don Davis fucking dog and horse. Don's not impress. GotTa they do to fucking impressive John. fogging Jerky Mauve. Fuck you don. Don hasn't been impressed since his wife jerked him off that one time the one time the one time his wife gave him a handy. You lay show. That's Nice Doc. And he hasn't been jerked off sin or impressed saids 'cause he hasn't been jerked off. Todd's wife Mrs Don can you get on that uh-huh oh he's dead Dead Mall Don's wife don't don't don't do it. He doesn't need it. I don't know what about the afterlife and Shit at maybe if they're both dead shirt jerk Amaafuza okay. Maybe maybe you'll get you guys into heaven. It'll be great jerk offs anyway. He he didn't like the music and he was really put off by the band's name still with Bryan Spears pressuring him really hard come on onto. ooh Hindi if you do it. He never gave him that Henry from the fucking handy but anyway don agreed to try and find a record label for them. Hey Hey unfortunately. Most people were onside. No one would touch them. The only person that showed any interest coincidentally was Clive Davis Arista records. He offered to sign the band but he had one stipulation they had to change their name know and we will find doubt what their response is after this commercial break. We'll be right back Hey we're back I'll come back. You know honestly more than anything. We need those breaks the PE- yeah exactly if it just feel so good afterwards so empty battered. Yes it's hard work holding it in while you're talking so a lot to focus on yes it is so anyway I left off is Clive Davis wanted. The band changed surname. So they would sign with Ariza records. David flat out told Clive Davis to go to hell. Good yeah the name of the band was extremely poor into him so oh he was insulted by the demand change it. It was directly connected to their father. In how dare he gives them that ultimate item and I just I. It's just the word death ask the seventies but it's just the word death. Yeah it's just like fucking word as long as they call them like ball liquors or something that cock suckers. Here's right. Yeah it's fine. They're not kitty did LURS. They're not a big. I hope they're not so we could be a lot worse. Clive rank lively. Yeah you did a really good job with Whitney but maybe like stick to the rooms you know. Yeah anyway they refuse the contract and that was effectively the end of any prospects for a major record deal. The man would have Bobby and Dana's supported David in his decision. Asian but in private they tore him a new one. David stood his ground in his mind. If you allow the record company to control your name you gave them control over everything in. He didn't want that he's right. He's not wrong. He is one hundred percent right if he goes in and says night. You're not going to change her name. They know they're not going to be able to influence. fluence you to write the music the way they want and furs again as much. Good as Clay Davis has done for artists like Whitney Houston. He's not going to do death any favors ever so he's not gonNa do a punk band. Fever was hundred percent sacrifice quality for like he into a pop and they weren't he try to turn them into R&B town absolutely and that's not what they want so really they're still fucking Hella punk. Yeah because is they refused a major label contract and refuse to change good for them. That's fucking punk. Yeah that's Punk punks fuck while the next day Bryan Spears told them that groups Ville was no longer going to work with them. They did have some sort of luck. The boys asked for the master tapes from their recording sessions. Nations and Brian agreed to give them back and that was virtually unheard of usually the record company or the publishing company is like not these are ours now. You've wow did they gonNA do with them. mm-hmm right skill to them. If you have no interest in you think that this is a band you're not gonNA. You're not going to work with them anymore. Than why would you keep him back back from those master tapes. Death pressed five hundred singles by themselves. Not just to sell but to send to radio stations. Nice basically they were doing their own promotion now radio would play their music sporadically but nothing ever caught on the radio. deejays were put off by the band's name so again they were a tough sell I. It's so funny. Because nowadays band naming death is nothing nothing absolutely nothing. Oh your name's Jeff that's Q.. I mean there's some pretty fucked up names is out there yeah cattle decapitation comes to mind. That's a good one but like that's how popular orgy was. Yeah Yeah they did that blue Monday. Cover on sleep still a good cover to cover but also their name was orgy orgy but also they were cheesiest fuck but also we all looked like Frankenstein. It was hilarious. We talk about limp biscuit. Because that's a that's just a pet name and hot dog flavored flavored chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water and everyone was like. Oh yeah say it was yup but you had to explain it to them. Oh yeah he did so. I'm pretty sure a band named like death. It's fine small beans. Small Begins Smoking's smoking's guys not even medium beans. Their beans won't baby beans. They were pretty down out at this point they were broke and didn't have a record occur. Contract and morale was low. They had to sell their equipment just so they could pay rent. Oh which sucks. Yeah family came to the rescue in the form of an uncle offering them extended vacation in New England new in England Cape Cod aw lighthouses vacation on the came. It was an opportunity to get away clear their heads and move Yvonne from the disastrous Record contract tobacco as fair. They had nothing left in Detroit so they went and they stay with their uncle in Burlington Vermont for the summer. Merve nineteen seventy seven but hold up BURLINGTON. Fuckin- kicks it does now. Oh let me let me tell you something you'll let me. Why don't you tell me about Vermont in the seventies though Burlington was a progressive town with a sizable hippie culture? So they thought maybe BURLINGTON would be more receptive to the kind of music they were making. That's legit when they first arrived David went to downtown Burlington and put up five hundred flyers with a black black triangle and the word death printed on the new ominous and no other explanation at all. The boys found out very quickly. That BURLINGTON ELLINGTON wasn't exactly the epicenter of Progressive Culture. They thought it was hours. After David put up the posters. Police officer arrived at their house. Ono having mistaken stake in the posters for a court related death threat. They told the Hackney's that this is a peaceful town we don't have gangs here and gang behavior would not not be tolerated because you know they're black so of course they're in a game. Oh furling ten. You've disappointed. They also Burlington is still extremely white. it is you're right. I'm much like Burlington. I honestly slee love Burlington but also Burlington is exceptionally white. Like fuck in white bread. Yeah it's the most milk toast place I've ever been. It really is but it's Kinda great but also it's. It's I would say that now it's far more welcoming to people of different races races But at least back then fucking white. Yeah fucking Roy so again. This was a huge blow having experienced rejection after after rejection from everyone in Detroit to the police in Burlington all their enthusiasm for the band disintegrated. Oh felt that no one was going to see beyond the band's name mm-hmm or beyond their skin tone which is stupid. They're both so dump. These are also dumb and we scream. About how fucking dumb they are two. Were blue in the face but it doesn't change it. Yeah it is unfortunate because I feel like at least if they were in the DC punk scene or the New York City thing they would get a little bit more notoriety. Yeah death finally broke up in nineteen seventy seven. Oh really after moving to Burlington Despite the rejection racism that they experienced in Vermont they decided it to stay in Burlington and they also started sperling fun. It is fun though. It's real way even though it's extremely fucking. Oh aw but anyway. They started a new band. This band called the fourth movement was similar to death however it was more traditionally rock and roll and had on an unmistakable spiritual bend to it interesting but still still they face criticism. This time people like the music music but didn't like the overt references to Christ. Honestly I don't either I don't either but I here's the thing I imagine the people who didn't like that they were called death. BEC- oh Jesus you literally the complete opposite of death is Jesus Jesus. So you're saying is that I needed that middle ground. Yeah they they was one extreme or the other. Honestly that's why but it seemed like no matter what they did. There was always an element of subversive racism in the audience's reactions. What no way now in America? Nah they released released two albums under the fourth movement but David took the rejection really hard. He was fed up with everything and wanted to go back to Detroit Bobby and damnest. I didn't want to pack up and leave. Though they planted roots in Vermont. They were starting families and they wanted to stay. So David who is now married when back to Detroit Troy with his wife in one thousand nine hundred eighty two bobby. And Dana's didn't give up on him. They continue playing as death back in Vermont. Hoping David would come back someday. Oh when they finally accepted that David wasn't coming back they fully abandoned death They moved on to form a new band called Lamb's bread. A heavily reggae influenced wingspan. That finally got a response from people in Vermont because of course reggae would why people are weird fucking weird like we oddly. I love reggae. Yeah what makes me really uncomfortable. When white people are like I'm going to speak with the Jamaican Patois and I'm like and I'm GonNa again reds no stop it start like I'm sorry you have dreads? You're not okay with three men of color playing punk music but you're like oh but they can play reggae in that. I can go in dance to it. You know what I bet. If they were Scott Band they wouldn't have had a- all these problems so much also skies just the happiest music and it brings people together. It's no it doesn't Maggie. I'm pretty sure pretty sure that Tuscon Museum pretty sure I've definitely been in some real friendly mosh pits of Scotch shows. Scott shows those don't have mosh pits. Maggie they have scant pits. I know what you mean but also feel like there's a dig in there. You are correct. Look Paul I skate. I understand you have to defense to the death because it's the only thing you could dance to. It's the only thing you can put your fingers to the sky and everyone's like yeah do that too. What a good show over there? She's like a muppet this as you're suppose. She looks like she should be in. Iraq should've been in death. It should have been death. I would have been there hype. Woman one hundred clear that like the guy in mighty mighty boss. I just like stated cut. Pick it up pick it up. Good Yeah No. I missed my calling in air trumpet. Yeah I also wasn't born in time for my calling. Reincarnation happened a few years too late for me. So lands read did very Welford itself. People love the music. They were getting city gigs and positive responses for the first time ever. I'll take it while bobby and Dana's were prospering. Spring and happy in Vermont. David was jealous and resentful. Back in Detroit. I mean that's like okay fair but also do just go over over there they're gonNA come on. Let's just do it or just start. Some melts. Yeah so he had no job no brothers and no bans he. He did continue making music under the name Rough Francis which by all means is really good but it wasn't the same as a solo act it. It wasn't the same as being in a band. The Solo Act wasn't the same as being in a band. Yes that is what I'm saying. In David started going downhill He became became a severe alcoholic and felt abandoned by his brothers and it was brought up in the documentary that he was possibly suicidal. It seemed as though he was now a genius. Yes without an outlet. So what are you supposed to do with yourself. Then then you know life. The most depressed and suicidal people are generally the smartest. Yes thank you very much. And he was the one who got brilliant to death he was the driving force one hundred percent behind the concept of death. But like that's that's what I mean like. He had this whole entire concept around the band that he was super into and really tried to drive drive home. Like this wasn't just like some fun band. That then they were making whatever music right. He had this whole idea whole concept surrounding rounding death that father their father and spirituality and like it was deep. Of course it ran fucking deep and when everyone was just like no this is stupid. It's kind of like a okay. So you're basically saying my entire existence is stupid right because he had just hit this level of of. I don't WanNa see enlightenment but just this level of maybe intelligence not to say that. His brothers aren't intelligent. But sometimes when you go goes through life experiences just everybody reacts to them differently. It's hard when year lake going through something and you're almost hitting this enlightenment in mint in seeing things in a different way and the people who went through the same experiences. You aren't seeing it that way and you kind of look them say but why aren't you having the same reaction is mia so that must have been frustrating in it of itself. Yeah I think. His brain operated on more of a philosophical level definitely in other people's and when people fail to understand the complexity of his thoughts a just couldn't relate to him. I am very sure that he is someone whose brain never stops. Yeah he probably has to be something to shut his brain up at night. Yeah and that's all Altino. Shade like plenty of people have to be on some stuff to shut their brain up sometimes absolutely but this led to a noticeable decline in his health. He was frail Elon Haggard and his family was very worried but he insisted he was fine. He was acting weird at Dana says wedding in two thousand insisting his brothers take the master astor tapes death got back from groups Ville saying one day people are going to come looking for these and I know you'll take care of them. It was as if he knew something bad. I was going to happen to him and he was giving away his prized possessions. Before it happens Yup and something bad did indeed happened. Only a few months after Dennis's wedding after a long battle with lung cancer. David passed away. Oh he didn't tell anyone. He had cancer so his death was a big surprise to everybody. Did he know He. He knew absolutely knew that he was sick. That's why he was giving stuff away and like telling them to take the master tapes because he knew he was GonNa die all but the whole time he was just insisting he was fine. 'cause he didn't want anybody to worry about him. Oh and he didn't want anybody to do anything so many mixed feelings on this. I get it like you if you're the kind of person that David was right. You don't want to make a big deal. Glad of something like that. You just want everybody tack normally and when you go you go but also the same time. He was always so big into the concept of death but maybe this was part of his philosophy. And maybe it was. You're right because my thought process is just like if you know you're going to die. I feel like you know the the open about got it so you can talk to people about it but that also makes you face it when you really don't want to but if he's where he saying he is so spiritual up spiritual about death. I I would imagine you would be able to talk about. Maybe this was his way of putting the positive spin on death. which is what he wants to do with the band by just acting? Like everything's fucking normal living your life the way you've always lived it it in not thinking about your impending death. Yeah maybe that was his way of putting his positive spin on it. Okay Yeah No. That's fair that's totally fair. I honestly I don't know but that's kind of what I figured. Yeah for for a reason why he didn't tell anybody right was he married and had kids he was married. I don't I think he had any kids wife now. I don't know and the toddlers definitely they didn't they knew something was up but they didn't know it was that bad she's she must I have known right. They talked to her in the documentary and she didn't say whether she knew or not I think I have a feeling she probably did and he was just like. Don't tell anybody anybody. Yeah wow in living so far away from each other. It was pretty probably pretty easy to get away from them and this is back in. Like what the eighty so. It's not like you had skype in two thousand okay. But you still didn't have things like we don't even have smartphones. No so it's ninety. Could look at them when him when they talk right so if he talks him on the phone and kept up with them and right wrote them letters even emails at this point. Yeah you're not seeing what he looks like right so it's easy to put on this face. Ace of Hey. Everything's Fine Ray. That's why they were so surprised at Davis's wedding there were like he looks way too skinny. Wow like super frail in Haggard Lake and I think they knew he was an alcoholic so they probably attributed a lot of his looks to that. Yes Oh Jesus that's crazy. They must have been really young yes he was born in fifty three. I think you died in two thousand. Wasn't even fifty. Yeah that's fucking looking so young. Yeah from can't lung cancer. Yeah she says with David's death Bobby Indiana's assumed the ban. Death died with him him but they were quite wrong. Things were only just beginning for them. Oh unbeknownst to them their name was gaining traction in the underground punk scene in a few people discover their politicians in my eyes seven inch the one that after getting the boot from groups Ville and slowly started introducing others others to it before you knew it that seven inch became a hot collector's item and it was selling on Ebay for eight hundred bucks. And you know. Here's the thing about that song to is. It's that is the most fucking punk ass song. Yes that is like you. Listen to these are fucking punk band. Maybe we should play a little bit snippet of a bit that we're going to. They want to be. Yeah yeah that's that is the fucking most punk ass song and it's crazy because it's still one hundred percent hold up today. Yeah you could release that song from any punk band today and have it be relevant. It's super super relevant. Because that was the first song of theirs. Listen to and you said you're going to death and I thought okay. I need to listen to music and I listened to that and I was like Oh. Is this hunger in three weeks Sokoto because it could've been could've been and that's dat is the element of punk. That should never really lost. Anyone is it's Abou. Oh going against status quo in telling you the status quo. Yeah like this ain't good and saying how fucked up our Our political system Thomas and calling out bullshit when you see bullshit. And that's exactly what they did. I think it's pretty funny that we were saying that. Now Considering Green Day just released a single with a sample from a For convicted child molester. Yeah and they're supposed to be the punk band and everyone else is being real punk about it and being like no probably shouldn't of Fuckin- sample. Now oh I don't care I don't care if you came out after. You really sit and said Oh he's a pedophile. No it doesn't work that I don't care if you're giving the money terrain you could just put out a single that doesn't sample pedophile. He could have done that to you. Maybe you should have done that for. Yeah but there's I mean that's the thing about og punk to and is they're not doing it for money. They're not they're genuinely sitting around me. Like fuck this yeah. They're not doing it for money. They're doing it because they have something to say and they want people to fucking listen to it. Yeah Yeah and that might have been even been half deaths. Problem is that they were coming out and saying real things that are honest and harsh look at the world and nobody. He wanted to see it that way. Well they were coming out and saying these harsh truths as black men and racism had a big hand hand in the reason why they were not as big as they should have been in America. I feel like this is a theme. We don't laugh. We cry guys live. Laugh Cry Tears of sorrow because the world sucks. Yeah pretty much I need that on a plaque So yeah they're single sold was selling on Ebay for eight hundred bucks a pop. That's amazing thing fast forward eight years. Don Schwenk I think sway drink swank showing a musician. An old friend of the Hackney's gave copies of the politicians Titians in my eyes single to a guy that owned a record store in Detroit's at the same time chocolate magazine wrote a chocolate. I was like did you is that that it's chocolate magazine. Sorry what chocolate. which just makes me think of like a really lead small child called shown winch? Oh my God you name a pig that You quit anklet own Own Chocolate the teacup pig. Oh you're welcome to cut pig own area. Go Gotcha next instagram star. The chocolate magazine wrote a bit about the band and posted the two songs on the death single to onto their website. Now anyone with with an Internet connection could hear deaths music and people were definitely listening. They were clearly way before their time very much too much before time. Unfortunately Bobby Danas were living their lives as normal raising kids and working normal jobs in Vermont. Then Bob like you do like you do in Vermont Vermont. Then Bobby's son. Julian moved to Northern California. His roommate would go to these rare vinyl record listening parties. Which I didn't know was the thing but sounds kind of boring but I know it sounds kind of fun if you're at a bar and get some beers and if you're at a bar yeah? Isn't that technically and what we do at Reforma Mondays. This not really just like going to somebody's house to have a record listening party fair enough you know. Yeah there's a difference difference. There is difference but she came home one night going on and onto Julian about this record. She heard by a band called death. Oh my God Jillian was really interested in Google. The band's came across the Chocolate magazine article he listened to the song clips and thought. Hey sounds exactly like my dad's voice then and he read the article that described three black boys from Detroit named Hackney and he thought Yup. That's my dad. Oh my God. He didn't know that it is no. You did not no so Julian called Bobby senior leg. Widens you tell me about this. That's crazy and bobby senior. Thought that the I've been holding senior thought that it just wasn't important. They didn't see much success at also. Why bother mentioning? Oh my God and Bobby. Dana's kids couldn't believe that their dad and uncles were in this punk band before punk was even punk and people were just now finding out about it and losing their shit over it. Bobby Juniors bubby. I can't sit normal now bobby. Juniors friend wrote a blog posts about the whole situation with circulated around punk websites. It eventually caught the attention of drag city records. Who wanted to put out a whole death album? Wow thankfully bobby's still had the master tapes. Because David gave them to him. Oh my God just sitting up. In his attic gathering dust they were doing nothing with them. UNFED seventeenth two thousand nine thirty six years after it was originally recorded drag city released deaths very first album called for the whole world to see wow to promote the album. Bobby Sons Bobby. Junior Julian and urine put together a band to cover death songs in in play them live. They called the band rough Francis a loving tribute to their uncle. David all since then drag city records. Words has released three more death albums the most recent having been released in two thousand fifteen bobby dance got back together to perform shows as death breath with lamb. Spread member. Bobbie Duncan on guitar. In Twenty nineteen they embarked on a tour celebrating the ten year anniversary of the release of for the the whole world to see and bobby sons continue playing shows as rough Francis and as far as I can tell they are still playing shows. That's awesome. Yes so they were last year so they're still doing it very and now that the legacy continues with the sons. It's why stop. Yeah that's crazy over over forty five years later. People finally know who death is before bad brains and before all the white boys wearing leather jackets and snarls death was playing Proto punk in their bedroom. It's infuriating that such influential band was relegated to obscurity because no one could see beyond their name the color of their skin whether it was Detroit or Burlington. Racism played a factor in how the audience viewed the ban every at every turn. Yeah in all honesty it probably still does. They need to be recognized for their vision and their contributions to punk. If we don't then we are exactly where we were over forty five years ago and more people need to know about these guys like credit to bad brains for being who they are such such an influential band all around not just for pump but in rock music in general but people can't say that they were the first all all black punk band death was and but but most people just don't even know that they were right and and more people need to know about death they really do. I'm really glad glad that the documentary was released but a wish. It got a wider release. Because if it did then maybe more people would be in needs to be on Netflix. It needs to be an music all the fucking streaming. Because you're right. This is such an influential band. And now that I've listened to the music music is killer. It is this music. Zeke is fantastic. I will totally love to pick up a vinyl all this and they're talented. They have seams that still stick today ahead of their time. Yeah and they're insanely ahead of their time and they're incredibly grateful for all of the people that do recognize them. I'm like they never really intended. They they were never upset that nobody knew who they were. They were just like no. We're just going to get on with their lives because that was just you. You know we could have had success and we did it. But whatever has how their kids were in a fucking band and almost had a record deal and all this and they he didn't even tell her fucking kids and then for their kids to discover early eighteen twenty years into their lives. My Dad was in one of the first fucking punk band. Yeah advert ever and it. has this huge resurgence. And it has this huge influence. And it's such good music it's not op bullshit. Yeah it can you imagine discovering your parents did something that amazing yeah. It's like discovering my dad was in like one of the most innovative and influential bands to ever exist in. He just didn't really mentioned success but we didn't it's fine. Oh and I guess the question does come up like it's so crazy because the clearly at the time didn't have too much of an influence right and they also weren't getting too much of an influence from outside sources because again in the early seventies. You're not really going to hear the sex pistols or whatever other bands so they're in the Midwest just making punk music on their own. Yeah and it's kind of weird to think about it in that aspect of anybody could have done this. who was inspired and motivated? I guess you can still stand by the way if you're inspired and motivated fucking hone your craft and see what you can do because who knows what you'll discover and also don't listen to any anybody who's trying to tell you that what you're doing isn't worth it. Oh my God like all their neighbors were like. Why are you making this music Maryland because because we fucking love it and we're GonNa do it right? That's awesome yeah they really need to have a Little more notoriety than they do now. Yeah seriously go ahead go to spotify only have fucking plays on spotify. They're even have a million place on spotify. That's pathetic guys. Not because of them but because of you people fucking listening talking this up. Yeah we need to fix this. Yea they are there. I mean we played you some music because we figured here you go if it sounds good to go dig him out there very good. It's worth your time but also I kind of just WanNa go hang around Burlington and like find them and be like Yo. Can we hang out. I will. We were like sent be your friend they are. They relying along the sweetest nicest people they probably are. And just genuinely fucking happy to be alive and frankly I need more people like I need more Wtma just like with that. You're happy to be here right. Sure but also I am going to keep up with both death. Andhra Francis to see if they're airplane any shows up there soon because I will one hundred percent take a day off of work and fucking go. See Them Bay Burlington be great music here for it. Yeah Yeah therefore it nice an awesome fucking story. Yeah super into that. I really need to watch documentary now. It's very good. Good definitely get that seven day. Free Trial Documentary documented on it yet. It's definitely worth it was. It was a very good documentary. Nice all right. Well you got your homeworks for you. Go listen to some death. Listen Death Watch documentary and just support your local punk bands guys. Yeah also like fan names. Don't mean nothing unda color. Your skin don't mean nothing king just embrace good music go fuck yourself. If you're not gotTa guys it's twenty twenty. What are we doing? 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Rock Candy Ep. 109: Billie Holiday - Adorably Delinquent

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Rock Candy Ep. 109: Billie Holiday - Adorably Delinquent

"Out here first. Pitch Happy Women's Day way to be a woman way to go ladies? Hey Ladies congrats. We've made it so far. Yeah are we have so far so far. We've made it. We do have the right to vote. So that's a good thing you do some high school students may not believe it. But it's true. Women suffrage happened. Yeah Yeah and we got the right to vote in nineteen twenty twenty two something like that. I'm pretty sure Neither US would pass a A citizenship test. No I would not know. We cannot at all the way you were taught to learn. Things in school is just to Cram Cram Cram and then take the test and then forget all of it. That's just not important. My College degree is useless. Not just because it's an art history degree but also because I forgot everything I learned. Same everything same though. Yeah I paid forty thousand dollars to forget everything and you know what success was a successful earning thing. Now women can get degrees. Uh-huh women can build bookshelves. Kinda woman waving build your bookshelf last. Go so yeah I mean like. I'm looking at women's Women's Day today and I'm like we fucking did it guys then you can go look at your bookshelf and be like we've come a long way. Baby Oh my God I just WanNa graffiti it with like you can do it posters Rosie. The riveter rip Baroni by the way. Oh She She died the original Rosie. The riveter recently. Yes like last week. Oh rest in peace rosie. I did not know that. Maybe maybe maybe it's still just hard out here for a bitch still hard out here. It's still hard out here for Vich can rocky Andy. Yeah welcome your weekly podcast bringing yes sweet treats from the world of music and where your lady hosts from Maggie. I'm Ashley and we are continuing our coverage of women's history month With more women more ladies. That's what we're doing. We're talking about women more stories. We probably don't talk about them enough. Yeah and and taking an entire month probably isn't enough. We should do more however if the men realize we can shape shift they'll tell the churchhill the church and they will burn us. Yes it will burn us at the stake. Yes yes. Today's subject I actually. I'm going to be honest. I don't know shit about today's subject. Yeah we'RE GONNA be talking about Billie holiday yes And I suppose I should say now that there should be a trigger warning with this completely on. Ironically there should be a trigger warning. Every bad thing we've ever talked about on. This podcast is in this episode. So buckle up if you're sensitive to certain things you might want to skip that's fine. That's fine like we understand but also to just like violence and violence substance abuse domestic abuse prostitution rape Everything wow okay we are. This is wow. We're we're at a hundred and fifty percent here. This is platinum status a platinum platinum platinum platinum. Oof Alright Gary for an upsetting episode. Yet is Well last week last week's upsetting to do is we've had it rough for a bench so we're not kidding. We meant it. Yeah it's especially difficult for bitches of color. Yeah yeah the story has it all. Oh my God well. I'm prepared to be upset. Yeah Gird Your Loins. It's going to be a hot one. Well it's a hot one. But it's certainly not smoothed and you know what also is not smooth. Oh our beer. Oh I mean it's fine so yeah we kind of had to struggle for a beer this week. Yeah because I ran out to get it again. Didn't have a ton to work with. As far as knowing the story so and I I built it in forgot to get beer and then I was working by the time I got to work. Everything was going to be closed. So I had Lord's Day Lord Lord don't drink that's how I had to God problem. That's God's problem that's Jesus Christ mess up no scientific such it. Yeah I mean. Science did fix that ship and nobody wants to listen. Yeah but Yeah I dumped the task of getting bureau off to you and I apologize. I mean when I was one of your suggestion. Yeah which was our last resort. Oh we re possible awhile. God's We Papa Roach. We really did though. Sore Drinking Blue Moon mango wheat. All because she does sing bloom. Oh Yeah she sings blue moon and also one of her moonlight as associate every thing that has to do with moon. Moonlight Moon Glow. She sang it. She likes her moons. She does She also is famous for a song called strange fruit. So Harry have mango. Wasn't that Nina Simone. I told you so. Billie holiday did strange fruit. Originally and Nina Simone covered it but Nina also became very popular for her version of the song right. Yeah it's it's Blue Moon guys. It's Blue Moon and just moved. Mostly tastes like mango juice. It tastes exactly like mango twitter's given my mouth sweater. I told you that's why I am not drinking. I'm drinking double time for both of us. It's fine I want you to be double fist in this whole episode. Fine to it. Oh my God I might need to write because it said upsetting him episode. Yeah you might and it's what like four percent so you probably going to have to drink a lot to feel better. I don't want to drink that much. Balloon Yeah nobody does roof no offence to anyone who likes Blue Moon? That's fine if you like Blue Moon it's fine K. Let's not talk about this garbage beer anymore. It's we've already spent way too much time talking about this garbage beard honest. Yeah that's all right though. 'cause this is probably GonNa be a shorter than average episode so okay. So let's get into it all right. Talk a little bit about Billy holiday. Let's talk about this holiday. I'm ready to go on a holiday. Celebrate celebrate Billie holiday. All right Billie holiday was born on April Seventh Nineteen fifteen in Philadelphia Pennsylvania with the name Ellinora Fagin Sheringham last name with her mother. Sadie her father. Was Clarence holiday. A jazz musician WHO ABANDONED STADIUM. Billy shortly after her birth. Okay Rod so certain off with Red Dad. Cd was a victim from her parents home. After becoming pregnant at age nineteen Rad. Parents read parents with no support from her parents. Or BILLY'S FATHER. Cd moved to Baltimore Maryland to live with her half sister. Things didn't come easy at all. For CD or billy and Billy's childhood was beyond difficult for the most part. Sadie was an absentee parent. She worked what we're called transportation jobs saw which meant she worked long hours on passenger railroads. Oh wath so. I'm assuming that meant. She was probably like a waitress or cleaning lady on the train. Yeah and took long trips on on trains like overnight and stuff. Yeah probably just those one set might even go like halfway across the country whatever. Yeah Yeah those are tough. That men billy was left in the care of her paternal grandmother. Martha Miller without much supervision. Billy rebelled a big part of. That was getting really into jazz music. How how dare? She Jess the Devil's music. Yeah her mother refused to let billy listen to jazz believing that it was the devil's music all done. Just wait till she hears new metal. Just wait 'til Billy's Papa Roach and it all over town doesn't like jazz. You're not gonNA like reviews. It goes from there sweetie. Have you heard of this thing called rap rock roof? Let's have Fred durst tell y'all about it. I just want to listen to jazz when anyway. Getting her to stop listening to jazz was a futile effort. Jazz was everywhere and to get her fixed. Billy would go to the local brothel where the ladies would play jazz on the gramophone for. Oh that's like a durably delinquent. Yeah I love it. She goes to the brothel but just to listen to the music right. And then it's like reading playboy for the articles like she's actually no. I'm very interested. They have great writers. Yeah and I just like that. The older ladies. They're really what comedy to you. Want to hear some jazz kid. You want to hear some jazz jazz music for you. Want to come in and listen okay then just sits next to a gramophone and swinging the chair off the again a dorm delinquent. Yeah this rebellious stage lead. Billy skip to lead to billy skipping school a lot which then led to truancy charges against her. She was brought to core in January. Nineteen twenty five when she was only nine years old and she was forced to go to a Catholic reform. School called the House of the Good Shepherd the House and go. Fuck yourself like really. We're doing this truancy bullshit to people of Color. Back in the twentieth. Of course we were Question so they house. The Good Shepherd was not a good place. You don't prize the prize. It was well known as a place where harsh punishment was doled out for the smallest infractions. She was only there for nine months before she was allowed out joining with her mother. Who had by now opened a restaurant called the east side grill? Ooh that sounds tasty. Sounds like a nice diner about? They've really good waffles. Me Some pancake. Ooh INSTEAD OF GOING BACK TO SCHOOL. Billy worked long hours at the restaurant alongside her mom by age eleven. She dropped out of school completely. Wow that's to think about like an eleven year old. I don't need the school bullshit. Yeah I'm working at this restaurant and this is where my may big money's GonNa roll in but also to. What is the the twenty twenties? So yeah I mean kind of checks. What was education back but then again. Can you imagine going into a restaurant and seeing an eleven year old behind the counter going? We can get you but that was pretty common back then wasn't it? I thought they were labor laws by now but I guess not. I don't think they were strict labor laws and everything. Anybody was really looking but then again they brought these sent her to a reform school for Truancy Lake. Come on just listen to some yeahs music. Some yes flute at this point her life was difficult at best but it was about to get much worse. Oh No that's not how you're supposed to continue with. That's how it's GonNa go from here on out. When she was ten years old. Billy was violently raped by a neighbor. He was a forty year old man that she kinda knew and he convinced her that her mom sent him to pick her up and billy needed to come with him right away. Billy complied but it was all ally. He was caught but given a pretty lenient sentence for sure. Yeah meanwhile it's okay to rape children in the twenties. Apparently meanwhile billy was punished far more severely because at this time in the nineteen twenties rape was seen as the woman's fault even if that woman was a ten year old girl. That did nothing wrong. I'm GonNa flip everything in this room. I'M GONNA put it back up. I'm GonNa flip it again and said on fire. I mean I wanna sit someone on fire. Yeah she'll be sent on fire. Somebody needs to be set on fire for this this disgusting yet. Billy was deemed rebellious and out of control and full. Blame for the rape was put on her. She was sent right back to the House of the Good Shepherd and it was even worse than the first time she was there. I mean. Didn't you see the bloomer? She was wearing. She hasn't even had her period yet. She was totally asking to be raped. Her ankles were showing my God. This is definitely her fault for being a child for being sexy child. Who like? Don't touch kids period like all of our rules are are in this story. I'm GonNa Hull Him. Yeah I'M GONNA have to clean up this room so many times yet. The nuns at the House of the Good Shepherd. This time around basically tried to scare her straight by torturing her they would scare the shit out of her by locking her in volts with dead bodies and other fucked up. Shit. She didn't deserve. Where are they getting dead bodies? It was like a like a reform school. That had like dead bodies just showing. I assume that there was a cemetery there too and they had these like dead bodies big. Hey no like the mausoleums and stuff the dead bodies in their sovereign there with the dead bodies. What are you teaching your nothing? I Some Day. We're all GONNA die someday bitch. Yeah hey she's ten years old may as will let her know now. I have no idea what this did. They just they were just fucking sadistic. I'm going to set them on. Fire Nuns on fire rolling down the road. If you keep torturing these kids going to lose my man and then I'm going to go in there we go. That's good perfect. Feel better if you can't burn them saying it about burning a year later. When she was around twelve years old she left the school and went to live with her mother. Who is now in Harlem New York by now? Her mother was working as a prostitute in a brothel. What happened to the restaurant? Didn't work out. 'cause come to find out her mom doesn't know how to fucking manage money We'll get to that later. Oh billy found her own place there in the brothel running errands for the Madam and scrubbing marble steps for the wealthier people of New York City once again. Ilias some decanting street Urchin basically. Yeah this is okay. Once again. Billy's life took a turn for the worse in nineteen twenty nine when she was barely fourteen years old soon. Enough Billy's mother was pimping her own daughter out for five bucks a trick. Essentially Billy was being raped daily for money at the behest of her own mother. I'm just GONNA leave now and I have to be here for the rest of this done done with this story. That's wild billy's mom. Yeah we sent her on fire to we can. We're GONNA who fucking pimps out their own kid. Yeah it's fucking garbage that's disgusting and it's no wonder then that billy begins to self medicate. Alcohol was her drug of choice at this time but eventually turn to hard drugs. It wasn't drugs though that the cops were looking for when they raided the brothel in May nineteen twenty nine. I'm sorry what were they looking for? Who's a brothel? It was illegal? Alright all of it was illegal. That's right that's right quite right. Both billy and her mother were arrested for prostitution. Sadie was released a couple months later but billy wasn't released until October Bill. Lee is a fucking child who was forced into prostitution. What and she was arrested for it and she served a longer sentence than her mother. Who put her in prostate? Am I taking crazy pill in my actually taking this story makes you feel like you're going fucking crazy because it's like am. I the only person that seizes. I'm sorry no one else sees this. No no no me okay. It's just me then right cool. It's me Cuckoo. It was around when she got out of prison. That billy began singing in clubs. Jazz had always been in her bones despite her mom trying to get it out of her. I mean like but also good for you billy. What's fucking up by singing jazz? Piss your mom off and it was something she was good at and can make money from. Good Eleanor Fagin. Wasn't the best stage name so she changed it to something more interesting. Her favorite actress at the time was Billie dove so she lifted her first name and took her father's last name becoming Billie holiday for the first time but also like jab to her mom. Like fuck you. I'm taking dad's name well. I mean her. Dad Wasn't any better. No but you know what didn't sell her into prostitution. Had the decency to fucking leave just abandoned her. I don't know what's selling it prostitution's worse it might be. Yeah Billy was not the star of the show however but is just the girl singer. Yup this remember. This was the early nineteen thirties. Nothing was integrated even in New York City. No matter how good of a singer she was she would still be relegated to second best that changed in nineteen thirty two when she was seventeen years old. She replaced singer. Monette Moore at a club named co WTN's and it was here that producer. John Hammond I heard her sing. He was so impressed with billy they. He arranged her recording debut at age eighteen. She recorded and released two songs with legendary bandleader. Benny Goodman Shit known as the King of swing. Yeah the songs. Were your mother son-in-law and Ariffin the Scotch knocking ally thought you're GONNA say your mother sucks. Because she does. Their mothers sock is promoted sucks it would have been more appropriate would've been the latter Song Griffin. The Scotch became her first. Hit selling five thousand copies which doesn't sound like a lot at the time. It was huge. She thoroughly impressed John Hammond and Benny Goodman who commended her ability to sound like jazz instruments. This was especially meaningful to her. As she always said she strove to sound the way. Louis Armstrong played his trumpet. Oh I think she just wanted to sound like a trumpet Burger burn that. Now I just sound like a weird weird Fareham in terms zone. It sounds like a therapist trump. Which isn't real we can me now. Ooh somebody make that. Tm Thurman trombone you can make it but credit we get all the royalties from that. Just like I'd take twenty bucks. Your one sail chairman trombone. You make that you probably had to spend five thousand dollars to make easily. Forget trying to learn to play it that. That's the impossible part because of the success of her first two recorded songs she was signed to Brunswick I cannot say this Brunswick Records Swick. Yeah Brunswick Brunswick Records Ones Week Waco Wacko here. She recorded. What a little moonlight can do which became a very popular record and eventually a jazz standard. Yes standard it was so popular that billy effectively Got Brunswick out of the red. Because before she came along they were about to go bankrupt and Shit. She saved them. She did through nineteen thirty seven and thirty eight billion sang in the legendary count. Basie band it was a little different being a big Bensinger. Instead of a jazz singer. Billie nailed it. Her recordings with count basie included the hit summertime which is a great song but unfortunately most people our age probably know it better as part of a sublime song so I took Gershwin class in college and I studied a lot of Gershwin music including summertime and that was from Porgy and best. Yes in you know. What's the Gorgeous Song Summertime? You know? It's not a good song sublime suburb. It's called summertime by sublime but it's not good now. What's even worse even worse. What Lana del Rey's cover of? Yeah those who use through. My mouth drools a little bit. I saw a lot of del Rey. Barf dinner mouth when she was saying it is probably what it is what. She sounds like what she thinks. Guys Nestle look. I like maybe four Lana del Rey songs. And you've got to be in a mood on the del Rey saw. I can't do that like mumble singing I have. I'm way she's so. Cb sleepy sad guy. She's so tired those fettah means. Yeah she she just gets so tired like drawing out her winged eyeliner really five hours own long long anyway. Yeah sorry that was one of the attention. Everything wasn't exactly but no the sublime song is called doing time makes it even worse. Yeah Double Fist Than Blue. Moon's everything wasn't exactly great with cowbys band however and she was fired for reasons that are a bit unclear. Some band members claimed she was unprofessional and unreliable and this could have been because of her growing alcohol and drug problems. Ooh It's almost like she had a really upsetting pass that she's trying to forget. It's almost like drugs now. A hauler her therapy Although this is the thirties we don't do therapy You got like one. Another like eighty years before therapies suggested and condoned honestly in. Poc communities therapy still isn't really that exempted so yeah double-whammy I know either way. She wasn't out of work for long. She was hired by Artie Shaw to join his band a revolution at the time. Considering his band consisted of all white musicians It was here that she encountered more racism than ever or bet. You don't say that is not a surprise. She eventually quit the band in nineteen thirty eight. Having gotten completely fed up with being treated like she was sub human compared to her white bandmates she was often forced to come and go from clubs through the kitchen and wasn't allowed to sit in the sit at the bar a one show. She had to be escorted off stage after losing it on a patron that called her a racist Slur Yay nineteen thirties. I The gross but also fucking white people like honestly fuck us. We're the worst. Yeah like I get it while you don't like we are the worst and one gig at the Lincoln Hotel. She was told she had to use of the service elevator. After hotel patrons complained about a black woman using the regular elevate. I'm sorry there is a black woman using the elevator. Excuse me name is Karen. I'm in room three. Oh manager there is. There is a plaque fuck care. And you've no caring and you know it was a Karen Always Karen apologies to any Cairns. Shortly after this incident. She quit already. Shaw's man she could afford to quit by now. She had a contract with vocation records and a couple of successful singles and she went back to New York to perform at a Premier Club called Cafe Society and home and Integrated Club owned by Barney. Josephson in Greenwich Village. Okay this checks her performances at Cafe Society. Put Billy solidly on the map. People came to the club just to see her perform and she had control over her entire repertoire. That's amazing despite the fact that she wasn't well known wasn't professionally trained and couldn't read music. She was row well respected amongst the musician crowd because she knew exactly how she wanted music to sound and went. Entertain any other ideas but that's she just had an ear. Yes she knew like there are people who are just suck at reading music. But they know it's supposed to sound like and that's she had so much emotion connected to what she was singing that that mattered far more than being able to read music. Of course show figuring out. She's smart and she was usually right. She was so well respected that she became known by the Regal nickname of Lady Day Lady. Why Day holiday that makes yes. It was during her tenure at Cafe Society. The Barney Josephson brought her the song. Strange fruit and you may as you mentioned earlier. The May remember me talking about this when we did our Nina Simone episode. But it wasn't Nina Simone. That did IT I. It was Billie holiday things I didn't know but things you know. Now Yeah and I'll forget it because I drink too much alcohol and we're old that to look it's hard to hold on everything in my brain. We need a significant amount of space for eighty song. Lyrics I mean. We're really good at that though. Strange fruit was actually a poem set to music. By Abel Meeropol Aka Louis Allen a Jewish schoolteacher from the Bronx it was a gut wrenching description of the lynching of black men and women in the south painting haunting picture of dead bodies as fruit hanging from tree. Yeah I remember talking about this. It's it it's a gut puncher. Yes it's ask. Go Google the poem Google Lyrics and It's rough it really opens your eyes and makes you connect to that era. I guess. Yeah but it's only three verses but Oh holy Shit powerful reverses it very much is. Billy wasn't sure what to do with the song she really liked it. But was afraid it's powerful anti lynching message with anger people and caused them to retaliate coal. Because people did that never great job guys. Nevertheless Berry convinced her to sing it but they devise a way to perform it. That not only made people feel. It's powerful message. Lessen the likelihood of retaliatory racist attacks what they did was make waitstaff stopped service just before the song started. The venue would go dark except for a single light on billy's face and she would insist on total silence before singing. The power of the Song's message was so strong that they wanted people to sit in. Roomie on the message so she would end her sets with the song and not to any encores. All right. That's a fucking message right there. Yeah the song became immensely popular in the club so she decided to record it but her new label. Columbia refused to release it. Assuming it wouldn't be a hit They also feared what retailers in the south would say about it. Yeah I mean you know those guys in the south are GonNa be like all right. We're not allowed to lynch black people and white people really want a black lady being But lynchings bad can you not Lynch US please? Yeah okay. We're going to keep doing this. All right undeterred. Billy brought it to a smaller. Independent label called Commodore. Who released it in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine? The song eventually sold over one million copies becoming billy's biggest selling hit and the people who didn't take it kicks themselves in the nuts thoroughly they should and we will find out what happens next after a little commercial break. Oh let's get some more of these Delicious Beers because Nice Blue Moon's now we're five just switched up its we've right-back and we're back. We're back come. Let's continue talking about billy though. Yeah let's get on this Billy Billy holiday not surprisingly despite how much strange fruit was selling billy was told. Time and again from club owners to not sing the song at her gigs way. It was not a time for political songs especially one that paints such a horrible vivid picture of lynchings that are definitely happening and need to stop and make their own so uncomfortable. Though that you talk about it. You're Debbie Downer Billy. She was singing to mostly white audiences and white people did not want to watch a black woman singing a song. Condemning white supremacy. You Northern States Leah really like it you know you know what's weird just still doing it. Yeah yeah they're still doing still thing why people still hate being told that they're racist. Yeah except you're probably racist probably races. The nineteen forties were a turning point for billy. She married James Monroe in nineteen forty one but their relationship quickly fizzled out with accusations of infidelity on both sides. Okay with Billy taking a lover named Joe Guy Joe. Hey Joe Guy. Hey that joke but is that Joe guy though which is sounds like such a fake name. It has to be a face. There's no way choke is. What's your name I'd Joel Guy Joe Guy Joe Joe Guy but is that Joe guy though. That's our guy that yoga was guide. That's not my job. That's probably. She just started calling him that because somebody was just like now this guy. Who's Joe Guy like? Oh your name's Joe Guy. He's like man. Sure why not. Yeah great my name is whatever you want to see. It's Joe Guy. She and James eventually divorced in nineteen forty seven but not before James Introduced. Billy TO SMOKING OPIUM WHICH. She quickly became addicted to read cool. That's fun time. Read boyf- What Rad boyf- red boyfriend. Oh boy I I. I don't know if I like that and girls for girlfriend. It just sounds like weird vomits boyfriend girl totally man. I'M GONNA occur for a lower after all these whiskies of drake. And if you're gonNA girl girlfriend s aside from Joe. Guy Billy had numerous affairs with well known Hollywood types of the era. She was linked to Orson Welles and even to Lula bankhead in actress known for her blunt attitude. Smoking one hundred and twenty cigarettes a day and dating both men and women so well. That's interesting you know. What's a little more interesting to me is that I didn't think Orson Welles like to fuck. But apparently Orson WELLES LIKES TO FUCK. Maybe just headed emotional affair. Now they fucked now they fucked. She was like you're telling me about time travel. And he's like. I'll show you time travel with this Dick. And that's how I am going to write Billie Holiday Orson Welles fan fiction you can call it my Dick will send you into the next dimension. Yes all right I am. I'm writing a porn. Apparently yeah this is just a porn try and see slash fiction. But it's not really. I mean most fan fiction porn. Let's be honest it's true. Billy stayed with commodore records through nineteen forty four recording hits. Like I'll be seeing you and embraceable you. Oh in the meantime billy's mother Sadie opened. Another restaurant called. Mom Holiday's with Billy's money and fun she procured by playing dice with count vesey's band. I'm given a look right now. Cds OR OF ALL CDs. A real cool cat city's really going to get set up fire. She some. She's a thing she's person who lived not a good long and she happened. That happened. Turns OUT MOM wasn't very good with money shit. She was constantly borrowing money from billy quote unquote for the restaurants. My God but never paid billy back and say it. Put a huge strain on billy's wallet causing her to almost become destitute herself. One day she marched into the restaurant and demanded money from her mother who flat out refuse to give her any bill yelled God bless the child that got his own an stopped off and this reportedly inspired her song. God bless the child becoming another hit for the singer but hopefully her mom didn't see any of the money from hopefully not actually no. She didn't because she died in. Nineteen forty five. You know what set good. She wasn't a very good lady one less burden on Billy's back despite her tumultuous in contentious relationship with her mother. Billy's grief over her death was strong. Her drinking escalated and her boyfriend at the time. Joe Guy made the terrible mistake of introducing her to heroin for the above of animals reading small. Are You shitting me? Yeah from then on. Billy abused alcohol and drugs. Interchangeably red cool. Thanks joke I feel. He's a real fucking Joe. Guy Isn't he he is a real fucking Joe Guy Instill Billy continued to work. She appeared in the film. New Orleans opposite Louis Armstrong but both of their roles were reduced so as not to give the impression that black people invented jazz because racism. Billy was reportedly a pain in the ass onset now is it because she was a woman in Black. I mean yeah but also a raging heroin addict. I know this shitty abusive boyfriend ends. No but also like there's a reason. Yeah that all of this happened and her mother just died. She was weirdly co dependent with an abusive emotionally mentally abusive mother and she didn't know how to process any of this shit and everybody that was quote unquote helping her in her life was a piece of Shit. That was just trying to manipulate her. Yep So yeah she choose pain in the ASS. It's like I wish I did have a time machine but I would just go back to fuck people. I would go back in time to like slap all these people in the face with what is wrong. With the yeah. She was a pain in the ass mostly due to her alarming addiction to heroin She was getting paid around two thousand dollars a week for the movie and she spent most of it on drugs that Joe Guy was supplying to her eventually. Joe Is banned from the set. When Billy's manager found out what he was doing well good. I'm glad somebody had the sense to say. Oh no this can't happen. Yeah I mean I. I don't know what his intentions were if I were him. Looking out for billy because I didn't read anything else about her manager looking out for her or if he was just like. I'm making money off of this too. So you need to get your ass together and finish this fucking movie. Maybe a bit about. Maybe I would like to think that somebody gave it out for her and gave a shit. Yeah Yeah I mean ice by nineteen forty seven. Billy was consistently ranked as one of the best female singers working at the time at the same time. She was constantly harassed by narcotics agents. Oh one agent in particular Harry and Slinger was hell bent on taking her down. So is this like the Javert to her John Bell John. His reference own. What you're talking about what you did because you said it was a musical reference. I know who John Belgian is kind of. I know the name. I don't know who played him in the movie. Hugh Jackman okay. You Jackie you man. What else was a book? I was Victor Hugo. I tried to read it when I was a kid because I love them. You know this is very different. Fig nope Aronie on that one so ann. Slinger was a particularly cruel man that took over. The Department of Prohibition just says Alcohol prohibition was ending just because alcohol became legal again. Doesn't mean drugs did also. He was basically the head of the first war on drugs rats because he was like after parole George H W Bush before George H W Bush walk. Yeah or Reagan. Didn't Reagan start the war on drugs. I don't know they're all terrible. I throw fucking. They're they're all the same there all pieces shed who are like I hate black people and I want arrest them at a higher rate. But this is the end of prohibition is basically the reason why drugs became so awful right because you know they allowed alcohol to be legal again so drugs had to be the real fucking bad guy. Yeah and you know the two things that ends linger hated the most in this world where black people and drug addicts guess. What billy was both? Yeah an slinger feel real good about yourself and your fucking corpse of rotting. Wow I hate this man. Can we calm asks flicker instead? What's his what's his name and Slinger absoluteness liquor or ask slinger slinger s slinger guess clicker ask liquor liquor but as liquor could've just been arrested for being black using drugs. Oh you can't can you probably can. But he needed to catch her in the act so we got sneaky. He hired a guy named Jimmy Fletcher to follow. Billy befriend her and document her drug use and Jimmy did exactly as he as he was told us but he also fell in love with billy. I'm also in love with her. They begin a relationship but billy eventually found out he was a NARC. Jimmy Fletcher still did his duty. Despite his love for billy. Oh come on Jimmy but asks liquor was still pissed. Steady flubbed. It adds liquor. Ramped it up to eleven and declared that billy can no longer sing the song strange through her performance. It you can't tell an artist with the can and can't sing but she's black and he's white. He can tell her anything he wants. I'm setting them on fire. Yup She did anyway. Because fuck that good for you. Billy which asks liquor new. She do. He used that as an excuse to conduct a raid on her apartment. She was arrested for narcotics. Possession and billy was brought before the core a May sixteenth nineteen forty seven. No one showed up to help her not even her lawyer. She was extremely sick. Wall in court possibly going through withdrawal and pleaded guilty and asked to be taken to the hospital. She was sentenced to a year and a day at Alderson. Federal Prison Camp in West Virginia and remained devastated at Jimmy Fletcher's trail all Jimmy. Jimmy do you really fuck in? Loved her son of a bitch for his part he felt guilt and regret for his actions for the rest of his life as he should. Yeah and thankfully billy was let out early in March nineteen forty eight for good behavior there because she just she was addicted to drugs. Yeah just fucking help her. Yeah nobody wanted to help her. They just want to throw her in prison. Actual faulk because racism and sexism. Yeah all of the above because lake. I'm not saying black men headed black. Men still had a terrible but I I think that black men musicians in that time were treated slightly better than women. Yeah like slightly not like. I'm not trying to say like hey. They were held up and like they were kings. They weren't Numeiri but I think like in general. It seemed that they were slightly more respected yet. They were allowed to do a little bit more. I mean granted. They were still seen as subhuman. Oh yeah but they were almost like sub human but like you could tolerate but a black female was subsoil human. Yeah it was disgusting. Unfortunately while she was in prison her cabaret license lapsed ends linger made. Sure no one would give her a new one. You need a license to categorize. Do you still need a license to cabaret no good and like I? I don't know what I have to do to get that license and I want. I don't want my coverage crush. It was something that they decided to do. After prohibition and to get the quote unquote Unsavory people from playing music in clubs. Dm mean black people for the most part but they did give some black people cabriolet senses. Were they black men? Well she had one billy. That's true until she did an until she didn't and then ends later made it impossible for her to get a new one. This fucking guy who who are his children there who is still on his ancestors. I want leading teams any names I need matches and later fluid and this is how I would on the list. You know we're not on that list already. I don't know what we have to do to get on it. You're right you're right. We've threatened to burn down a lot of things so a positive influence. They really has. Thank you Lisa left eye Lopez. So since she didn't have since her cabaret license lapsed that meant that when she got out of prison she couldn't legally perform anywhere that sold alcohol. Her main source of income was playing gigs. At clubs that did serve alcohol so she was basically forced into test toossion test. Itution hestitate devastation. That didn't stop her from participating in her biggest show yet she security Gig at Carnegie Hall One. Oh yes one of the most prestigious venues in the country and I understand. It's Carnegie Hall but I say Carnegie Hall wants is Carnegie Hall everyone in New York's Carnegie Hall. Everyone everywhere else is Carnegie Hall. Hey that sounds stupid. Honeyghan Carnegie Hall Practice Practice Practice. Going to set you on fire. I wanted to Soleil fire at this point. We're GONNA wicker man ourselves. All Two thousand seven hundred tickets were sold in. Her performance was hailed as her greatest yet. And that led to a Broadway show called holiday on Broadway which again sold out. Helio. Because she's amazingly talented. Yeah Yeah Fox Sake but ASS. Liquor was still up to his old bullshit. Why old bullshit leader like honestly though he is. What is the fucking? Just I don't know in Lille is I don't know this holiday is vexed him so much he is the Sean Valjean there. I'm sorry he is the Javert to her genres on on. You know what it's a totally adequate reference. I believe you could musical anyway. He's another guy. Colonel George White to again follow Billy At this time she was trying really hard to get sober and would go months at a time without drinking or doing drugs. And that wasn't good news for the guy trying to bust her. So it's speculated that white planted drugs on her so he could bust her going to lose my shit. She's not doing anything anybody. She is a mere apple warming. Nobody being successful. You could just not pay attention. It's the one nineteen fifties at this point. No nineteen forties. Now we're still in the forties. Yeah you know what social media is not a thing you can ignore shit so easy back then. As long as you didn't go to clubs you could very easily ignore Billie holiday. And let's be honest asked liquor. Didn't go to clubs now. Had Too much up that asset was getting liked. She was again arrested for narcotics possession but she was acquitted of all the charges this time because they were planted. Yes mother fuckers. All of this was too much for billy and she starts kind of a binge and purge cycle that lasts for years and in those years. She's arrested numerous times. She also dates a string of abusive and manipulative men who take advantage of her fame in any money. She might manage to make. I just feel like she gets there. Somebody fucks her over for no reason. He's Paula Abdul and fucking school attacked two steps forward like fifty steps steps lake. Then she's just about to be like all right. Things are good now. I'M GONNA know we're going back down. Great Cool I'm just gonNA use alcohol and drugs to cope with this and I can't say I blame her. If it's the only comfort she could figure out that she ever knew he has. She's going to go back to that. She's in a time where women are barely respected. Black people really aren't yeah. I shouldn't women singers. Not Really Woman Jessica. She is the lowest form of human. Yeah it's disgusting by the Nineteen Fifties. It was obviously billy's health was deteriorating. Yeah because she's addicted to everything and she's also being treated like human garbage. Yeah her hard living was wearing her down even though she's was only in her late thirties. Was Up Yeah. It was especially noticeable in her voice which was still beautiful but was now far more fragile Then to stop her from touring though she went on her first European tour in nineteen fifty four and he was a huge success soul. She then released. Her Autobiography Lady Sings the Blues. Which was ghost written by? William Duff T. It's now considered to be a very inaccurate account of billy's life even though it's supposed to be her own autobiography as duffed. Mostly put the book together through previous magazine interviews in a small handful of conversations. He had with billy. Oh that's dodgy billy. Dan even read the book before it was published. She didn't confirm anything. Check anything And Billy continued her tragic streak of getting involved with terrible men marrying Louis McKay in Mexico in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven the year before the pair were busted for drug possession because nothing says let's get married couples arrest warrants. Yeah and Louis. Mckay was a mafia enforcer or really a wannabe mafia enforcer. Oh they used billy for his own gains. He was abusive and a drug addict feeling. Billy's own addictions that she struggled to control. He even wanted to use. Billy's name to start a chain of vocal studios presumably for his own gain. Vocal Studios. Yeah like where you can record vocal. Oh okay and like probably take vocal lessons okay. That's just an interesting. It's very specified. Yeah well he wanted to have her name attached to it. Because then everybody's GonNa exactly just flock to it that makes sense but also fuck you in. Nineteen fifty-nine billy was diagnosed with cirrhosis. Of the liver. Oh God her doctor told her she had to stop drinking and for a while she did but like every other time she tried to stop drinking and drugging she relapsed by now she'd lost a lot of weight and worried her friends and colleagues. They begged her to go to the hospital but she refused. She ended up not having a choice. She was rushed to the hospital in critical condition on. May Thirty First Nineteen FIFTY-NINE FOR TREATMENT OF PSORIASIS. In heart failure ads liquor who had been pursuing her this whole time what the Fuck Dude. A seize the opportunity to arrest her one more time you shitting as she lay dying in her hospital bed. He rated her hospital room for drugs and placed her under arrest. She was handcuffed to her bed and placed under police guard. How fucked up is that? Just let the dying woman be dying peace like dude. She's GonNa die so like what are you. Doin- what fucking satisfaction are you are? You finally like jerking yourself off going. Yeah finally got her like what? Why why what is this is the fucking heal your what is actual name again and slinger. I Really WanNa meet his descendants. So tell me how you feel about this action. Yeah you think he was justified. Do you like hold them in high regards because I fucking wouldn't. If this was my grandfather I'd be like now. You ain't it Bro. Yeah you can go fuck yourself. You're a horrible person. I am ashamed to share him if he was my grandfather. I'd Chivan oh no I just want to stab him in the gut with a butter knife and make it fucking her. Like at an holidays he'd go and reach for the butter new stab him in the hand has reached for no. I'm sorry sorry you do you die do you. Do you want to be arrested? While you're dying. Grandpa HE POPS. I fucking hate this. I don't think I've hated anyone more than we've talked long. Man This fucking me is the ultimate villain who is everything we rail against. I need to know if he ever fucking has his upcoming comeuppance. Come up come up. Yeah we should look at my own looking this up. We'll give you guys updates fucking fuck. This guy fucking. I let that sink in. The last days of Billie holiday were spent under arrest in a hospital room. She couldn't even nothing. She couldn't even pass away peacefully. Because this answering our asshole was such a racist vindictive piece of shits and billy officially passed away on July seventeenth nineteen fifty-nine succumbing to a pulmonary edema and heart failure caused by liver disease in the end. Her husband. Louis. Mckay swindled her out of all of her money leaving her with only seventy cents in her bank account. It doesn't get better it it it to the very end. It doesn't get better and Louis. Mckay was put in charge of handling billy's funeral and estate after her death and his actions were nothing short despicable. Everyone assumed billy would be buried. In New York's Woodland Cemetery were other great jazz musicians like Duke. Ellington and Miles Davis were buried but they would be wrong. Louis McKay instead had his wife buried at Saint Raymond's cemetery a lesser known burial ground deep in the Bronx. Some speculate that. Lewis buried her here so she could be put to rest with her mother. Others say that it was because plots were cheap and Lewis was greedy. It's that one it's that one is that one. Though it's option number two sets the baby either way. It was discovered a year after her burial that she still didn't have a headstone. Oh of course. She didn't because that's money because he would have had to pay for it. Public outrage ensued and a collection was started up to buy her headstone. Okay Lewis objected insisting that he was planning to move billy and her mother's remains to a different section of the cemetery and erected a monument in that never happens. You don't fucking say yeah honestly. This may have been a blessing in disguise. Billion her mother now. Share headstone in a secluded. Quiet part Saint Raymond's finally a woman who led a most tumultuous life can now rest in peace and beauty. Okay I mean I guess but Fuck Louis. Mckay and fuck-ass liquor fuck. Y'All actually fucker mom like I wish by yourself. Yes fucker Dad fucker. Mom did anything for her. Nobody this is a woman who no one did a fucking thing for all she wanted to do was just seeing some fucking jazz. The only thing she had in her life that gave her any comfort with singing and drugs and alcohol and everyone tried to take those things away from her. I mean maybe the maybe the take away the jerks but don't just try and rip it away from her and tell her she's a horrible person for doing these things and not try to help her get away from it. I really need to know what happens to all these people. Yeah I. We're going to go on a fuck. It can do a bonus episode and we find anything. We'll just talk about in the Patriot. Episode Yep Yeah we could do better at Sore Patriots. Patriots pits homes. But that's there's nothing about this story when open this with. It's hard out here for a bitch. I was just like Oh. It's hard to what you want. But whoa it's funny here like her. Life was nothing but turmoil in trauma. Yeah and no one gave Afa and when she tried to self medicate herself everyone was no. You're a fucking horrible person for doing that. Well what the fuck is she supposed to do? Here's the thing. If there's a white man medicating himself who cares? Yeah but oh my God woman all my got black woman. I mean better not Hank Williams drank himself to death pretty much and not everyone was like. Oh He's so great. Let him do A. He's fine. He caught across the border. Buying fucking Roy. Halladay little wagons. Hey don't you that you do? I don't WanNa see you do that again. Wink wink nudge nudge. Set A fucking forest on fire. More time fire man was chased down. Like Sean Fell Sean. For his entire fucking life man. It feels good to be a white man. Yeah fight me. If if anybody's story proves that right it's Billie Holiday Story. This really upsetting. Yeah and what makes me sad? Is that like? None of people know her story. Everyone should know this. I didn't know it. I didn't either. And then I listened to an episode of the through line podcasts and I was like holy fucking Shit. Her life was ridiculous and like they didn't even get into half the stuff that I got into their upsets. A pretty quick there were pretty sure and they talked to two people that were like experts in her life and yeah the the both of them were like she was just trying to live her life and everyone was trying to prevent her from doing that. It's so fucked. And Yeah and she was just constantly surrounded by these toxic people who wanted to use her for her money and she just wanted somebody to love her so she fell into it over and over and over again and she just she's like can you just love me. Let me drink some booze and things and jazz. I'm happy she wasn't asking for much. She really wasn't in considering health fucking horrific her childhood was my God. Why would anybody blame her for doing what she was doing? Yeah because there are assholes. Yeah because they're all bed and it's all her fault every single ounce of it is her. I mean like being a ten year old girl. How dare she such a sexy child hall? So gross don't touch children don't force heroin on people. Don't do heroine just guys guys. These are some easy fucking roles here. They're very easy to follow it. I don't think that were asking for too much. Oh No we're not kids aren't sex is like basic shit that y'all to get on this bandwagon. We do a Ted Talk. I think this is. This is our Ted Talk. Thank you for coming to our talk. Just follow these simple rules. That will all be fine. I'll be fine. She's Christ so yeah. Let's wrap that up. Wow I'm really upset right now. That's cool. I told you this is why we needed to trigger warning in the beginning. Yeah there's nothing that the main reason I think for the trigger warning is there's no real happy ending to this. No there isn't not at all there's cheeses. Can we learn from this valley? Yeah treat women of color with a fucking little bit of respect. Can we stop treating them like? They're lesser MIA. They're fucking people to in the same shit. We all want the same shit that we all want. Yeah so they are different than you promise We're all the same. It's fine knock the ship. Also if Ang's Englander Angelina and slinger is like your grandpa or great uncle or some shit like your grandpa talk your GRANDPA. We need to have some words. Yeah how do you sleep at night? So thank you for listening. I'm sorry I made it a downer. Wow Yeah you did I was gonna say but I mean if we leave this and learn something from it and respect the lady is a little bit more respect. This fucking woman please. Yeah go out and this is in general. Yeah Yeah maybe maybe like women are just trying to do their thing guys. And it's fine ladies are just trying to God smack it. Yeah no more Papa Roach in it. Maybe a bit better. Maybe it'd be like Creed Higher God which turned creed it now. 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Rock Candy Ep. 117: Lemmy Kilmister - A Weird Game of Duck, Duck, Goose

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Rock Candy Ep. 117: Lemmy Kilmister - A Weird Game of Duck, Duck, Goose

"Answering who would win in a wrestling. Match Lemme your God trick question. LemMe is you. You never sire heads did you. You know I've never seen air. We need to fix wait a minute. Wait a minute new. Never seen those air have such a classic movie. That's Brendan Fraser Right. It is and boy. Did he look good in that movie? You know what I'm not GONNA lie. Brennan Frazier Wake undercover. Fuck fucking Heidi of the nineties. I would say Brennan Frazier still could get it. Because I think he's a really fun guy and I think you'd have a good time with him in bed. He's a real mushroom lake. What he's a fun guy. I hate you got this pond pistols. That came out. I saw him Yeah no he's a real he's cool. Dude Yeah I feel like you could have a good time with him in bed. Yeah he was cute east. I his real dad but like that's not bad. It's not bad being a dad ain't bad and hit my God yet. Like in a real world sense totally fine nice looking middle aged man right like Ken. Ken Fuck Him what fuck him sure. Yeah also lake when he was in that Tarzan movie. Wow Baber Ham Lincoln. I mean I would go for airheads. Brendan Fraser Commandments. To me muscles but also like I don't know his face he was he was really cute. No even in the mummy he was really you. Freddie Frazier can get it can get it yeah also. He doesn't live far from us so we could go get it. I don't know that works. Yeah Can Rock Candy. We're we gushed about Brennan Freezer. And we're also your weekly podcast. Fill the sweet treats from the world's music and this week we got a super sweet tree. Yeah we're talking like a very like cigarette in Whiskey Phil Tree. Oh yes okay. Just walk in a cigarette. Ashes and Jack Daniels okay. Yeah that's mostly what it is. Yeah we're talking about we're talking about Lemme of motor head. Yes just in case. You didn't know who love me was some no. I guess not. There's people out there who need to be educated. You really to. If if you're not into Lemme ask you get with the lambs guys. The well with the Lens looking through those limbs looking. LemMe is like it. We're hosts Maggie. I'm Ashley Choking down a Gulf of beer something that as highway your host. I'm GONNA fuck over. Got Her got are also thought. We should tell you who we are. Yes so we're your hosts we're going to bring you stories about Lemme God. There's so many fucking stories. Guys my notes ashes been on a journey with notes. So we're kind of jumping right into it 'cause so my there's a lot to get into and I left so much out. We'll say upfront. We know we left some things out so much but I could not physically put everything into one episode. Couldn't do it but at the same time. If I put everything in it would literally be just repetitive. Like this happened again today and Antica. Yeah they recorded. They went on tour. He fucked a lot of women. He drank a Lotta Whiskey. He recorded he toured. He fucked women Golota whiskey. It's a very repetitive thing. It's so weird. Game of Duck Goose Duck Duck. Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Goose Fuck. Fuck boobs. Fuck Fuck Booze. I we did it. You guys went on the journey with us. Hope you enjoyed it all right. We'll see you guys next time. That was LEMme. LemMe so you need to know fucking boo boos in booth yes there. That's pretty much all you need to know. There's a whole lot fucking more to the story. There is a whole fucking more. Yeah and I will forwardly admit that I don't know a ton about LEMme. Yeah I do like motorhead that I know you know a bunch of motorhead. 'cause I don't yeah but you should because all of it is pretty fucking great. It really is yeah. I mean I did some listening throughout the weekend today. This is I mean Gresley. Apps motorhead definitely had formula to music but at the same time it worked nearly every single time and they are such a blueprint for every after literally everything I mean. I'm going to get into that but seriously I can really tell where METALLICA got thrash. Thrash metal was hundred. One hundred percent was like Oh motorists doing gonNA take that. Yeah Yeah you know we. We listened to deep purple and Venom and stuff and that was cool. But it was fucking motor head that gave thrash. It's sound absolutely. Yeah like if you listen to motorhead you will feel it in your bones and highs will kick you in the Dick if you try to argue otherwise even if you don't have a Dick we're gonNA put one weekend. It's going to happen. We're going to order one for Madam and Eve we will and we'll put it on you and then we'll kick it can happen by the biggest thing I just remember about. LemMe was that. He died two days before Bowie. One day before Bowie When did Bowie die? January sixth so sixteen. He died about a week before. How is it a week? Yeah Damn I actually have a picture of some graffiti that found in Bushwick when I lived in Brooklyn and it was riff. LemMe and David. And it was a very crudely. LemMe like impo is like lightning is. That's adorable. It was very adorable and very crudely drawn like the cutest little middle schooler but probably forty year old coolest middle schooler forty year old man that ever existed right. Oh my God. I love that when I saw it on my comment. Somebody's having a really fucking tough week. Yeah well let's talk about. The beer. Wants to hear about beer. Get into that so to accompany us on this episode journey. We're drinking arrogant Pash. A Oh he said that. Very Lemme lake good. Oh I'm already kind of drunk 'cause man because we drink this in our during another beer and I'm gonNA drink another beer. I'M GOING TO BE. LemMe Drunk by the end of this. Let me like got drunk. That's the greasy. And then I'm not going to get. LemMe Turn GonNa get drunk like I drank like me but dare you got heating get drunk. Yeah I also for some reason as I'm getting older having less of you know a shit. No I just can't tolerate my booze anymore online. I thought you just you gave it be. That can be both I who puts out arrogant bastard stone brewery. Oh does not say I'm sorry is that rate. I don't know it doesn't say I'm looking at the can not seen it. I mean I feel like though. I think it's stone when you go to the beer store and you walk down the aisles. There's like an entire stack of arrogant bastard. Yeah every time so I'm pretty sure stone. Very don't quote me on that but yeah I'm pretty sure. But at this point that brewery has become so synonymous with arrogant bastard that everyone should have a Erica methods. Brute can buy arrogant. Consortia is that he said yes. Yeah you right yeah. So that's what's US anyway there. It's great it's good. It's you know I feel as Farah. LemMe Brownell Oh really. Yeah because it is seven point. Two Percent Yeah. It feels like a stout it does create but yeah. I figured arrogant bastard is very lemme. Also they have a alcohol bastard so yeah no. It's perfect. It's actually really good. Beer pro tip. Make sure it's really cold. Yeah we drink it warm and it wasn't it wasn't bad it just wasn't the best that it could be second pro tip put fresh raspberries in it. Yeah and Actually Yeah. It has a very fresh taste to it or give it that for sure. Yeah I think it was very cold I would have liked it a lot. More women way better. Yeah it's definitely a beer that needs to be cold and honestly those those raspberries helped but like I failed and I went to the beer before I came here. I want to say the beer store should have had more beers. They should've 'cause they were out of just about everything and whatever guys quarantines getting scary corn tears. Oh God that's sad. The beer store right. Well let's get into it talk about me on that sad. No more no more tears until the end. Hold your tears kids okay? Well let's get into the story of Lemme Charlene Metal Punk or old school rock and roll. You probably have motor head on your list of influences. That was a great thing about the ban. They defied all conventions with music. That is all genres at once. Get his genre all its own a fuck you attitude of punk the Galvanizing Guitar riffs of Thrash Metal. LemMe Kill Mr Helm the motor head jogger not for forty years only stopped because of his death in two thousand fifteen lemme was more infamous than famous rumors. Abounded about his truly astonishing drug and alcohol intake that would have killed a mere mortal decades ago. He was well known for his bedding as many women as he could get his hands on and he could get his hands on a lot of them. It was rumored that he slept with over. Twelve thousand women however even. LemMe himself downplayed the number saying it was more like a thousand still pretty good. It's a lot of women. Still a Lotta clap. Yeah but before route you know. He got it at least fifty times at least. Avoid the clap guys listen to Jimmy Dugan but before Lemme was lemme. He was Ian Fraser. Kill Mr. he was a cookie. Monster's last that such a such a interesting and apropos. Last name I. It sounds made up it does. Yeah Yeah. He was a Christmas Eve. Baby Born on December twenty four th nineteen forty five a day after my birthday. We Kappa Corns. Do you cap or call cut. See People Capricorn. Ones now work. We're costs if it is not so Kev colonel. There are different okay. Never mind. They're different MAG- different and he grew up in the burst. Limb neighborhood of stoke-on-trent in Staffordshire England host chiding. Ooh I don't think it was that fancy probably let me. Father was an air force chaplain and left when he was only a few months old. He didn't see his dad again until he was six. But even at that young age he was so unimpressed with his father that he really wanted nothing to do with him. That's the fucking best thing I've ever heard. He called him a miserable little. Dick heading glasses like just imagine six-year-old? LemMe Looking at his dad like miserable. Little decay glosses. I just picture he already. Has that mustache at six years old. Yes and long hair. He already in the hat he already. Has those aviators miserable little take classes? Yes you that is exactly what six-year-old. LemMe is house but but so foot son. Father Mel told me to fuck off I should. I am fucking off now. I suppose I'll fuck off now. I am a little tick heading in this day. Rally and I don't think you fall. We'll be back anytime soon. You called him a little Dick heading glasses. I WANNA kick them in the Dick State around. Had He addict me to kick off right toward candidates? Little Little Lemme here for it. Now I want your little Lemme. It's just cheesy. LemMe didn't is growing up without a father. Didn't bother Lemme too much. He was instead raised by his mother. Jessie Milta- and grandmother too strong and intelligent and kind women that let me truly admired. They shape Lenny's view of the world and because of their influence he gained a very specific view of women. And Feminism which is basically women are amazing. Men are pretty much scum. That's awesome. Sometimes he didn't express it so well 'cause he was often later outspoken against like the radical feminists which I get it like they can be much like pita people's they can be way zealous and right one way want equality quote unquote point. That was just completely ridiculous. Unfeasible yeah I mean not even ridiculous unfeasible. But it's just they basically wanted to take men with. Yeah which really. Feminism is just like Yo les saw just were on the same page here yeah and whereas we understand that people like that are pretty few and far between. It's just that they're making the most noise so then so they're the ones that are heard the most I think. LemMe thought that they were more. There were far more of them than there. Actually were. I think there might have been like present. Seventy S. I think there was more to yeah radical feminists now we have more politically correct feminists. And that's the part that he didn't really like. Yeah so I get it I don't think he expressed it very well. Just because before. The in the few years before he died he was. He was a child of the forties. He was a world war two baby lake. Yeah while he was just that's how he expressed his disdain for that kind of person. He's at person. You just sit down with me okay. I get what you're saying but you can't say like that he'd be like I will walk. Then I'm sorry and then he'll turn around and be like Nah fuck these Feminazi but these fucking I right. Exactly exactly like Oh. Here's another whiskey. Yeah each ten was a turning point for not just. LemMe but let me teeth as well. He had nearly all his teeth ripped out that year. It made him so afraid of dentists that he didn't go back to one for forty years. Why because traumatize? Why did they ripple out? Because they were fucking horrible because he didn't have any money so just hadn't worked out in Replaced I got to sing. Don't like this story. Oh on top of that. Lemieux's mom remarried to a rugby. Player named George Willis who already had two children from a previous marriage. Two Kids Patricia. And Tony were not lenny's favourite people and frankly neither was his Stepdad O. The family moved to Belichick which is on. That's not how you say it's Welsh. It is how you say. Oh never mind. That is how you say which is on the island of Anglesey in Wales. This is pretty deep Welsh country so it was a bit difficult for. LemMe to adjust. He attended sir. Thomas Jones School in nearby on Luke which that word it's the old a. m. l. w. c. h. What I'm look. I'm just impressed because you're a lot better than I am about researching how to say things. I'm just like how to say sorry. I even wrote the phonetic pronunciation. Yeah being the only English kid in a group of hundreds you stick out pretty good. Oh yeah he wasn't the happiest of kids but for the most part. LemMe enjoyed his time living in Anglesey. He liked being close to the ocean. He liked beautiful scenery and he really liked horses and there were plenty of them in. Say That's see really liked towards the way guys now. I just want Chiba. Let Me Riding Howard. I said in kick in his dad and the now that's all I really want is a fanar of Lemme but can the Horse be kicking his dad in the nats. Yeah Yeah Yeah for most of his life. LemMe was known as Lemme but there are many tales about how he got his nickname. Okay the most believed one was that he got it while he was in grade school. He was a lifelong gambler. And was he. Fucking love to gamble. He was old man that he was literally the old man at the end of the bar playing the lake video game. Oh my God. He's playing quick draw every night. Yes only got a picture. Him like aren't made a made up this game. It's called quick draw. What kind of old. Play it at the table during lunch today. I don't know what accent that is all of them and I'm kind of sorry it's fine. I'm also kind of drunk but anyway yeah. He was a lifelong gambler constantly. Borrowing money from other students for his gambling problem propositioning them with let me borrow a fiver or Lemme acquit till Friday. Eventually that I would let me turn into his nickname stop and later in his life. Let me deny this whole story so who really knows where it came from one hundred percent want to believe this story. Because it's fucking hilarious. Let me quit till Friday. I may quit Broadway like you have to stay at the way that he talks which is so hard to not talk the way. Let me tell Ozzy Osbourne with a pseudo Welsh accent. It doesn't say of course. Now it all makes sense why. His accent was so interesting because as British but he also spent so much time in Wales so his accident is when he was a young age. When you up until he was ten when they moved to Wales he grew up in an area close to Liverpool. Oh moved to whale. Yeah so the totally make sense. Why you can't fucking understand a word. He saying yes even worse Than Ozzy. Osborne who also grew up in the same area for that Wales Right. No not in Wales. But he was in Birmingham Birmingham which was basically on the border of wells. Burning man burning. Man You went to burning man. He is the wicker man. I could see that either way. Let me discovered rock and roll early and fell in love with it. It was little Richard Song. Good Golly Miss Molly that introduced him to the Specic delay of rock and roll love little Richard and he Dave Grohl really bonded over their love of little rich or I can one hundred percents of that but it was difficult finding records where he lived. There wasn't even a record store in the area I instead he would go to the electrical repair shop and have the owner or records for him and three weeks later he go back and scoop them up. I didn't even know that was the thing that someone could do. I guess I I guess it would make sense because if the electrical repair shop is repairing record players and gramophones or whatever. I don't even think they probably definitely had grandma probably board. Is this like the fifties in Airland yet. They still have gramophones so they were the ones that were repairing those so of course they had catalogs that. Had you know new records yeah price you can test shit out right. Wow that's crazy. It was a Beatles show in Liverpool that showed him just what he could get out of being a musician which checks. Yeah A lot. This was pre beatle mania but there were still lots of screaming. Girls all over them in clamoring for their attention. Here's the thing with the Beatles. Even when they were just coming up they were super popular anywhere they would perform people fucking loved that and then he noticed all the girls at school funding over another suit with Char so he started teaching himself how to play. It's like a won't get laid. Exactly you're gonNA lend some tall. Yeah exactly school. Wasn't me strong sue? And eventually he was expelled for cutting class. Too much checks. I mean Tam. I'm going my school. Didn't expel cutting too much. 'cause he didn't bother trying to go back instead. He took odd jobs working at summer. Fairs a Horse Riding School and a washing machine factory. A Horse Riding School Horse Riding schools. He loved he versus love horses. Yes I love it. Those days he only had one thing on his mind fucking today. And that's taking care of the horses and walking and I ain't got no horses so I guess I'm GonNa be fucking fucking. But as LEMme himself said only takes up half an hour a day so you better find something else to fill your time. You know what though he was humble in self deprecating? And that's why I love him. Oh I was GonNa say you know I know that missy Elliott saying I wanNA minute man and like you kind of just one like a good twenty minute session and you'll see. I'm good like I just got to do. Good with a half an hour man. That's fine I am. You know what and you know. I don't need an all nighter. Drank a minute man. Half hour man is perfect. I'm I'm impressed. You less our. Yeah no half an hour perfect still leaves me some time to sleep right like and Mike. Okay cool so like this isn't like just like two seconds of like and then you get off and you're not to pump chump right but this is like just the perfect amount of time for me to be okay for me to feel satisfied and still get a good night's sleep. Yeah thanks for looking out for me. Yeah right like this is like we've both meeting the middle here. Yeah I like it. So yeah he had to find something to fill his time with and his time. Waster music. Nice it's basically killing two birds with one stone. You WASTE THE TIME. And you get all the checks. Yeah and one. He landed was a woman named Cathy that he met while she was vacationing with her family. Oh he was only seventeen and she was fifteen at the time and nine months later the two found themselves new parents to a baby. Boy NAMED SEAN. Fifteen is too young. Who fucking Hernan ads? All the starch marks to have for the rest of your life. She fifteen she ain't GonNa have the storch masks. She's lucky right. I mean she's young. She'll bounce back from that. Her skin is still elastic so but they knew they were too young. And they put Sean up for adoption right after he was born. And Lemme never had contact with him again. Oh so we do. We still not know who like baby. LemMe the first is So Tracy ended up contacting him when he was an adult. Like not all that Kathy. I'm sorry I was like who's Tracy I'm sorry. Kathy and Kathy ended up contacting him when he was an adult and she was like. Hey I'm your mom I just WanNa meet you. So they met and then she later told. LemMe about the meeting. And she like she said something like he. She described him and he did it. Sound very physically. Like like Lemme at all. Oh and was kind of like Short Nerdy. And whatever and she was like. I didn't have the heart to tell him who is follower one so the guy never knew that. LemMe was his dad. Oh God he must now he must know. That kind sucks so yeah like no we want to meet your dad. Now he's dead. I don't think Lemme would be very. He would not have wanted to meet him to begin with because Lemme was not a parental kind of guy. I guess you're right but also you're right okay. He didn't have the fatherly bone in his body. He did not want to be a father dad. A dickhead yeah man and he was like I grew up without a dad. I never felt I needed. Adad so I don't need to be a dad either. He Ain't wrong. Yes in nineteen sixty five. When let me was twenty years old? He joined the Rock and Vickers. Okay they look like a pretty typical sixties English rock group with ridiculous matching outfits and page boy haircuts but they had a bit of to them. Oh you say they rocked out a bit. With Lemme pushing the limitations of their music on their live shows he get a little greedy onstage purposely feeding his guitar to the amplifier to get feedback and drive the audience balloonists. Oh good nuts are bad nuts. Good nuts oh okay good nuts. You got like the cashier crunch nuts. Man Some doritos crime. All right that's the kind of nuts. He was driving them the cool ranch kind not little rant much cheese. His pension for women was just beginning in the rock in vickers and despite their holy name. Lenny's behavior was less than saintly After a show in Manchester he slept with a woman named Tracy in your or Patricia. I'm not entirely sure be Tracy Patrice is funny. Because when I was writing this I was like Patrice easy. Same Person Is Patrice Tracy. But I'm wondering if her name was actually Patricia and everybody just called her tracy. Oh maybe I'm not entirely sure. Or maybe her name was they called her tricia. And Lemme have strong. It was like It's trice satiety. Trish Tracy whenever I can focus name get over instant what Dick I know. I have a feeling they're the same person because in the documentary and Lemme He and his son his other son were talking about her and he called her tracy but when I googled her everything that came up said Patricia. And in the documentary they were talking about how she lost her virginity to. John Lennon would then when I googled it everything that whole story reference. Somebody named Patricia Inder. So I'm assuming they're the same person. Yeah and he just thinks her name's Tracy or maybe let me just gets the call or trays. Maybe maybe maybe I think one. His son doesn't have the heart to say anything but anyway trae portray portrayed see became pregnant and she said she became preg- earn aunts and she gave birth to her son. Paul Inder on May Twelfth Nineteen Sixty seven. I mean I get A. It's the sixties right. But Lemme wrap it up. Wrap it up serious like this. Is your second time doing this? Yeah have you have. You not learned. I'd hope earned after this one but I have an feeling he didn't. I don't know of any other children from him. Besides the first Sean and Paul Okay talks to Paul. Yes he still he has the. Let me fucking get all right kinda bothers again. LemMe really didn't want children but Tracy had to keep her baby of course so. She raised Paul by herself with. LemMe reconnecting with his son. When he was six years old he was in Paul's life much but Paul never held that against him interesting. He he would pop in here. And there and Paul knew that. LemMe was his dad and Lemme when he would see his son would be a father to him. Yeah but Paul just always had this. This idea like I know who my father is. He's a big musician. He's not really in my life. That's totally fine. When he does come around I think he's really fucking cool and he's teaching me how to play guitar so see. That's why it's like a kind of his mouth that Sean never knew who is. Dad was but lemme was seventeen and Cathy was fifteen. Nobody like later on in life. He could found out who his dad was. LemMe would've at least been nice enough but it also depends on the terms of the adoption. Because Paul wasn't an adopted he was raised by his actual mother. But Sean was adopted. The terms could've especially if they went through a religious Or Finnish organization to adopt shown. Al There could have been very strict rules that after or up into a certain age they were not allowed right to contact him right but I just feel like if the mom reached out she should have said something. I'm of putting it on. Who was the first girl Callie? Kinda put on Kathy. I Thomas Abbas the chance to like just say something to his dad but also if they met up he could have been like. Who's my dad? And she could've told him I mean like we. We don't know what happens if he didn't ask and she didn't have to tell him that's true. I don't know why I'm really fixated on this but I am oddly enough. I mean maybe he didn't really even even reach out right to either one of them. She reached out to him and he was just like a okay. This is the Weird Hill from into diet also could have grown up not even knowing he was adopted. Oh that's true. There's a whole lot of we don't know who's in this situation again. Don't know why I'm so caught up on this so you know what we do know. What do we know? 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Wow they had a consistent cycle of gigs around the north of England and had a decent following. But that's exactly what let me didn't like about the band. They didn't have much ambition to move beyond north England whereas. LemMe wanted to go to London. And make a big yeah. That's pretty much if you're a U K band and the sixty seventy Linden London London. Not North England. Lend lend London. We're going down like Oh my God we're talking about for you. Were talking about Lemme fair enough. After two years playing with the Rock and vickers. I mean left the band and move to London. He shared a flat. With no reading and Neville Chester's the bassist and road manager for the Jimi Hendrix experience respectively. Naturally they hooked him up with a job as a rookie for the Jimi hendrix experience. You know why I didn't recognize the name knoll reading 'cause you pronounce Noel? The Entire Code. Got The business for that one. Yup Yup. Yes you're right no all writing. I remember him yet. No already yes. So he was a Rhody for Jimi hendrix experience. Though he wasn't very good at it. Oh Per Neville Chester's quote. He would rather an instrument that carry it. So that Kinda gives you the idea. All though he was a pretty Shitty Rhody Lemme did learn a lot of things while working for Jimi Hendrix. Corvette he learned where to find the best drugs and getting acid and coke for Jimmy and the crew became part of his job description. Rumor has it that Jimmy himself gave Lemme his first taste of amphetamines and psychedelics. And Soon Enough. He was hooked. Yeah that sounds about right this with Jim with Jimmy. This a lot of this. You know this this straight line into drugs Ville. Yeah Lemme guys you young on. Take my hand. We are going down drugs bill. During those days street drugs were his drugs of choice. It wasn't until he started motor head that he switched mainly to just alcohol after that. A glass of Jack Daniels. Whiskey and coke was basically glued to the palm of his hand. Dreaming Coca- cocaine or Coca Coca Cola Coca Cola like the classic drink which is now called the Lemme after he passed away. Oh yeah is the grossest. It's so disgusting. I cannot was coke. I can't with Jack. I'm sorry. Let me I'm Jack. Daniels is just so fucking so there's stomach just literally hundreds of whiskies that are better than Jack Daniels and I get it. It's fucking bourbon and it tastes different. Whatever Hungary's bourbons setter better than Jack? Joel's Oh my God yeah. His approach taking drugs was straight a balls to the wall. If you weren't doing all the drugs all at once then get the fuck out. So did he just rub his balls in the drugs? Then rub the balls on the wall. Made people stiff the coke off right everybody. I'm co- come upholstered lately fill put a line on my Dick. LemMe be that guy at a party. He was definitely that guy at a party. Yeah he learned to function on five hits of acid at a time and frequently mixed uppers downers in dangerous combination once in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. His friend's girlfriend was directed to get them some amphetamine sulfate which is basically Ritalin or adderall. Oh okay instead. The girlfriend got atropine. Sulphate which is used to increase the heart rate for those with Brady Cardia which is when you have less than sixty heart. Beats per minute which is bad? Nah Let me let me took so much of it that he went bonkers for a while until he passed out and woke up in the hospital then continued to have hallucinations for two weeks after ten. Still Alive at this point. Thankfully Lemme head a staunch rule regarding heroin but it came at a price in nineteen seventy three and let me fell deeply in love with a girl named sue like wanted to marry this woman. He was so mad about her but she died of a heroin overdose and he was the one that found her dead in the bath. All my God since then Lemme has been strictly anti heroine. He's also been strictly anti marriage because the one and only woman he loved enough to want to marry died and left him alone. I'm going to go cry. It's very sad so this is rock candy. Twenty years to cry about that. Yeah she's a sad. Try Not to let it go few. I'm trying But also saw so. He never did heroin no he did. Not because even before even really had a chance to try this woman loved died from fucking and he actually had kind of a controversial view towards it because he definitely advocated for the legalization of it. The the idea being if it was legalized. Then it wouldn't have such taboo on it so people wouldn't want to do it so badly and it could be more controlled in a way like make it a controlled substance almost not illegal but yeah maybe maybe lifting that taboo off of it would make desirable to people. I don't know I would argue that. I think the people end up doing heroin are the people who just felt deeper and deeper into drug use. Because by the time you get to heroin. You're just looking for that level of a high and a lot of people that fall into heroin. Use our people that got hooked on narcotic pain medication prescription narcotic pain medications and get their payment anymore. Get it can't get it paid for anymore. Or they lost their health insurance so they turned to street drugs to get the same kind of Pie. Yeah so yeah. It's I can see where he's coming from but I think like logistically. That doesn't work. I don't think it's a good idea. No all I really don't think anything after pot needs to be legalized. It's not worth it. And it's highly addictive. Yeah so anything. That's highly addictive. I don't think should be available. Not Not something. That's made like that now. Geno that's something that is that highly addictive. You're right you're eating it. I kind of agree more with you so we are at like what three weeks with. No heroin incident heroin incident but is not with the artists. We are talking about rights. We're doing good good shop. Guys Know Heroin Ruin Incident Cer- technically rem be. But I don't know that after the episode because we have a lovely fan who told us that he did heroin ankle states. Well I think he did it. And then he kind of fell out of drugs once they got famous interesting that he wasn't like super into drugs he wasn't like Kurt. Cobain fucking determined to have a heroin problem. We've talked about the problematic issues. Kurt cobain nirvana episodes to so many fewer about that. Yeah so yeah. Naturally when musicians are experimenting with drugs and Hallucinogens. It comes out in their music so as no surprise that. LemMe started getting into psychedelic rock. He bounced from one psychedelic band to another until he eventually joined. Hawk wind in Nineteen Seventy Five Hawk. Win We're a space rock band? Whose purpose was to put you in a trance through their repetitive rips at rips through there repetitive riffs and onstage strobe lights yes base. They mostly sang about sci fi themes and the even employees woman named Statia that would appear onstage dressed as an alien goddess usually topless so honestly that could have been a lot of their appeal. Yeah probably is the Naked Chick. Onstage writhing in the seventies. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Hock Win. Became incredibly influential. Not only to later prog rock bands but also interestingly Proto punk bands. So I'd okay. Yeah and you know what they were actually pretty good all right. I trust you. LemMe caught the GIG through the band's Keyboard as Dick Mick stop it. That's not a real name. His nickname was is his real name. Like Richard Mickelson's. Yes something like. Oh my God. Of course Dick Wreck. Oh my God i WanNa make friends with a guy named Richard Mickelson call him Dick and it still D I K M I K. Yeah who else are you going to spill Dick? I'm sorry. Was there another on your Dick Nick? Somebody was on some space rock drugs when they're like Nah Calming Dick Meg Fillet leave out. Those sees mad also. Can you start calling me Dick? Oh Dick was a friend that often joined. LemMe on his drug escapades. The two were at a show at Notting Hill Gate. And Hawkins Basis. Didn't show up. Dick Convinced Lemme to fill in on BASS. Despite the fact that he never played Bass Day in his life he wanted to be the band's second guitarist but after that show bassist and vocalist was his permanent slot. Okay but at least vocals vocals yet us. That's a win win to fuck you it is. Yeah Miami's fucking amazing basis. Ever I really think this trial by fire is how we how he kind of stumbled into his own way of playing base. He didn't know how to play it before he was literally thrown a base and shoved on stage with zero knowledge of what to do so he just Kinda played like he played guitar and it turned into his style. But like I feel like the best bassist. Some of them are the basis that just gets thrown into it and yet. I just got it up. And they're the ones that make up their own style like Peter Hook from joy division slash new order You Know Fuck employee base and you just do whatever and they had like both bands have such it intriguing bass sound because of that. Did He also come from guitar? Background now he just know how to play and he taught himself and if you remember from our joy division episode Like none of them really knew had play. They just fucking just played what sounded and they just did it. But sometimes it's the best and the same with Lemme so yeah. He knew how to play guitar and so he just took his guitar technique and made into was based technique. But I think the same was kind of fully getty Lee and even for Steve from Steve. Steve Steve Harris Steve. Steve Steve I'm talking about. I feel like the oldest got thrown into their positions. And it's like wow. I'm just GonNa do something. This sounds cool right Actually yeah that sounds really pretty fucking so yeah yes that's great. Yeah so now earlier when I said drug escapades drugs. Kapadia drugs campaigns. I mean Lemme and his bandmates ingested so many illegal substances that. It's a miracle they didn't turn themselves inside out that's on one occasion. He in Dick spent three days taking a stimulant called Deck Citrin. Then they took a depressing called Mandrax. Then they snorted coke shared eight black beauties which are all uppers fuckers at hogwarts like what are these. Six thir- taking mandrake city black beauties. Just use this off right. Taking some hogwash. Drugs up at here spectacle your drug stash. They took all of these drugs within a three day bender and then they played one of the best shows. Hawk wind ever had the best shows hogwarts it ever seen. It's Kinda what I thought you were going to say. This fucking weird hogwarts nounce fucking hogwarts see. He spent four years at hogwarts prefect really so good traveling around the world with the band. Ironically the end of his tenure came because of drugs what it started in. May nineteen seventy five when the band was touring the US. They were traveling from Niles Michigan to Detroit and stop to stretch their legs and get some Yum yum for the road. Oh Yum yum yum yum. LemMe Loves Yum yum. The out you just grab some himself Fox Taki maybe like a diet coke. No is one of those Japanese. Sodas where you push the ball into. Yeah he gets. He gets talking only AIDS Japanese snack. Okay just the fan. Art Lemme on a horse. While he's eating baby Lemme they she be. LemMe to be on a Horse Eating Paki with horse kicking his dad in the neds. Yes please but yet they stop Free Yum yum hungry so he walked around the area snapping pictures with his new camera before he knew it. Someone conked him over the head and he passed out the attacker making off with his new camera and all his money he finally came to only to realize his bandmates had taken off to Detroit without him like do they just not realize the guy was one of the members of the Van. Was just like yeah. We didn't know where he went. So we left though you you again for all you're not friends. Terrible friends your cells. Yeah he hitchhiked to Detroit took a two hour nap in his hotel room and then played the show. Could Sport Rob. It would've lost my shit. He probably didn't do it happily. The next day. The ban was off to Canada. Except let me get busted at the border for having drugs down. His pants that's hilarious. He was thrown in the slammer for a few days finally released after his charges were dropped. Apparently he had amphetamines down his pants. But the cups charged him for possession of cocaine so that was the cups mess up and they had to let him go. That's cops mess up you honey. Judge to fix that Shit and he did and Hawkweed had to cancel some shows because of Lemme being jail and once he finally got out and met up with his bandmates. Give him the news on account of his bad behavior and the fact that he liked uppers. When the rest of the band like psychedelics. He was out spill. Okay a girl problems of all first of all you fucking left him. Yeah after he got fucking mugged which isn't his fucking forced him to be late for the show. You're the assholes in that scenario and I'm sorry I like uppers. I like to be happy when you like psychedelics. Like I'm sorry that's who were and this is like debilitating retiring so I'm going to use also get through this shit as an extrovert triggered. Fuck you let me likes to go out there and have a good time man? Have you ever thought a space though like you and we're really sorry that let me more ladies than you are but like also reason to be? Jelly? Let's have a hot minute of talk young I Like boy could get hit it. Yeah even with the fucked up teeth man. Oh I think it was. The mole fucked up teeth. I didn't even care. I'm here for it here for it. I'd fuck that man. I would sit on that face in a heartbeat. Yep So like I'm sorry pan. It's that you're jealous of your cool fun. Attractive bandmate. Probably were really Chelsea was jealous. He was way more attractive than the rest of it. Seems like way more fun we owe it to do. Saket Delhi exponential. He went ahead then they just want to sit in their beanbag in trip for two suicide trip and they probably WanNa fuck listening. He wants to do coke and uppers and clean that fucking house. Oh my God I would have had a great time with. LemMe are you kidding me? Me and land may be best friends. But he's up in the house. God but we would we would do outburst and we clean the house and do a bunch. Karaoke and it'd be great that would be wonderful and then we can just chill out when you're coming down if I play the slots game. Yeah Oh you do the fleetwood Mac thing where you're a little too high season Kendall Buhl Choi- would probably the COGNAC COGNAC. Bringing myself down time. With LemMe Yeah. Fuck you would let me introduce you to the fleetwood Mac. Let me introduce you to the fleetwood. Mac Method Yeah Brown. Increasing Ruben Green. Frankly it was for the best that he got kicked out because what Lemme would do next would chain rock and roll forever. I'm sorry what was his former band's name Hawk wins where did Hawk Winco to England's Kentucky hot went on so many trips in their minds. Okay and that's the real reward. Yeah is the net. Sure Lemme wanted to put together a band. There was so loud so rockets and in your face that quote if we move next door to you your lawn will die. I love it. He originally wanted to name the band bastard but someone correctly pointed out that he never be on top of the POPs with a name. Like that ain't never be on top of the pops today like Boston video. Instead he went with motor head named after the last song he wrote for Hawk wins. Motorhead wasn't someone who's crazy for auto mechanics now. This was a term used for a speed freak. Yeah it's fitting because motor heads. Music would become the precursor and mean influence for speed metal and thrash. Of course he recruited guitarist Gary Wallis and Drummer Lucas Fox by nineteen seventy six. Both were replaced with fast. Eddie Clarke on guitar and Phil Filthy Animal Taylor on drums. Please tell me filthy with spell. Okay yes they fill then. Just call yourself filthy animal. Yeah everybody called him. Filthy Animal Good Gross. Good or or just called him filthy. I'm sorry it was the original guitarist not fast enough so we had to get somebody whose name had fast in it. Okay cool. The band played shows around the UK and gained a decent fanbase. Audiences were immediately stricken by the sight of these guys clad in leather and chains and bullet belts and Lenny's playing style. I'm sorry so. They wanted to sit on their faces. That's why they were so taken. Yeah Okay Cool. These had their dicks out like snatches Dixon. Snatches matches fields of Dixon. Snatches ready to sit out their faces. Ready to sit on. Lenny's face yes. He only played rickenbacker bases and he played it hard and fast like a distorted Guitar Ace. He received curious stares at his microphone to perched on high so he had to tilt his head up to sing into it which nobody did. Okay I mean should look fucking cool know I never really noticed but now I have to go back. And Look Yeah. His microphone was like super tall tilted down so he had to tilt his head up to sing into it and people fucking loved it. It was loud and angry like metal but fast and simple like punk appealing to so many across various genres. They had a contract with united artists. But the label dictum around refusing to release their material labels digging so many. That doesn't sound right now. By nine hundred seventy seven. The band had had enough. They were penniless. In squatting at friends houses their label was refusing to release any music they made and the guys read each other's throats so they decided to call it quits but wanted to record their last show. Ever for posterity's sake. The ban couldn't afford the venues fee to record the show so Miami's friend. Ted Carroll a rep for the fledgling chiswick records offered the band studio time to record a single instead and instead of recording. Just one song. They recorded eleven rough track of Shit with a little more time in another studio. They managed to pull together a thirteen track album. She's us like where you live album. Jk WE'RE GONNA SINGLE JK here's an entire LP enjoy. Hey take advantage while you're given the opportunity you're not wrong. Yeah Chiswick pulled through where? United Artists didn't and release motor heads. First single called motor head in June. One thousand nine hundred eighty seven followed by the first album titled Kenyans. Is it motor? It's motor has lower head by boater head off of motor home. My bad company right now. Oh my God. It's so bad company. Yeah big country. It's bad company. Bad Company territory but the album motorhead was released in August of seventy seven. Did Pretty Darn well to reaching number forty three on the U K album charts status really good for an like theoretically unknown band haven't had a release before exactly and these are rough tracks. These aren't even super polished. No they when they went into the studio the Second Time. They polished everything. Nice either way like that's still really impressive. Cover was the first appearance of the motor head. Wore pig referenced as snuggle tooth much like iron maiden eddie or mega deaths vic rattle head the war pick would become synonymous with motorhead and it was designed by Joe Tag no who also designed the Swan Song Records logo for led Zeppelin. Oh Shit yeah is that yes the guy with the wings. Yes yeah where pig is supposed to be a combination of Baer Wolf and dog skulls with boar tusks also wearing a helmet and chains the spike on the helmet originally had a swastika on it. Your pressings of the album. Omit the swastika which now that I brought it up is a good time to talk about lemmings penchant for Nazi memorabilia. Okay let's have a conversation about Nazis about that woken a Nazi corner man. Man Man Man. No we have to corner. We have to play the Benny Hill. Montage so we need any any any any name any no Nazis. First and foremost no. LemMe was not a Nazi nor was he a Nazi sympathizer. Which was he was very much. Not a racist nor was he supportive of Nazi culture at all. Never struck me. Be any of those things some people. He was because of missteps that he made that made it very apparent that he liked Nazi regalia and stuff like that. What let me was however was a lover of World War One and World War Two history. Okay he doesn't speak Romantically of Hitler or Stalin or even FDR for that matter. Ooh He hated them all equally and understood the gravity of all of their actions in if Dr do wrong he had polio. Didn't make him like no also did create the new deal which was kind of crucial for he was also elected. Is it in three times because he was really good. I'm sure that there are plenty of things you can find fault for especially when it comes to World War Two. I'm going to leave that for. LemMe he also was really gross into as a law. Oh yeah but also eleanor was his cousin. So this is a lot to unpack. Salat as we're GONNA leave that there really. That's slightly open package over in the corner what you will with it kid. That's Haffey in Bagga crunch nuts. We definitely left up for you guys to finish it. Just so happened that he thought Nazis Headway Cooler stuff. He thought they had pretty snazzy outfits Embiid S. weapons compared to the English. I mean he's nine wrong but like I've seen some pretty bad English uniforms to so the Americans with the Italians Japanese Right right I mean although the the deputies accent Oh yeah sorry. It's hard to tell how much memorabilia. LemMe Accumulated over his lifetime. But it's safe to say that literally every square inch of that man's two bedroom apartment in la was filled with it. So that's awkward. But is I feel like that's an awkward scene to walk into. Yeah I guess depending on who you are but yeah I would feel awkward. I would just be like way got so much Nazi stuff. You're yeah you're better than me I would be like. Oh this is awkward. Yeah and depending on what his explanation would be if it was unsatisfactory. I would sit and have a Nice Cup of tea and then be like well. I gotta go and further record. He also collected stuff from all the axis powers. I know this is getting weird. Yeah he did but it was the access powers in the the allies and the axis allies. Yeah I bet. He probably had stuff from the allies. You're just saying that Niamh. Yeah he did collect stuff from Mussalini. Okay so who? We did a Japanese stuff to and it was mostly German stuff. Yeah still not looking great. It does not look great to most people and I fully understand that anybody who is a direct line from people that were at Auschwitz or were involved in Holocaust. Probably don't not look at that favorably. And that's and that is so justifiable absolutely justifiable. Yeah Yeah I would justify that before I would justify armies collection. Yeah agreed. This is an awkward part of the conversation. I also understand where. LemMe is coming from. Although I don't necessarily condone it. He is weird uncle. Who Like you can't read? You can talk to him because he is cool enough right where he has since you and take you seriously in. Have an intelligent conversation with you. Also some of his beliefs are like but I think you're better than that. Yeah it's like you can say I had this really insightful conversation with my crazy uncle but he still collects Nazi memorabilia. Exactly Yeah Yeah. There's always the caveat that he collects Nazi memorabilia. And you're like I don't know what to do with this and I guess the answer is you don't do any can't do anything I mean. He never he was not a white supremacist. He didn't try. He didn't collect weapons to try and use them on people writing ever. He's never you never seen him be like outwardly racist or ten based on race religion. And like it's like and he's not pressing his views on anybody else so like what do you do you? Do you do nothing? You can't do anything because he shit not hurting anybody else. So awkward strongly awkward. That's where I'm at right now. Yeah Motor head then embarked on their first who are called the beyond the threshold of Pain tour. Oh Jeez aptly titled Considering Right before the Tour Phil Taylor punched a guy in the face over a girl in broke his knuckles. He had to tape drumsticks to his hands in order to play. Oh my God. The Motor head can be metal though. Dairy fucking that's metal. Yeah even though Lemme insisted. That motor was not metal metal. And that's fine. I get where he's coming from. No I but at the same time. You're the precursor for a lot of fucking like also you collected Nazi memorabilia. About Your Sean of music. LemMe Lemme have the have this. Let me have this till Friday to still fair enough motor continue to record singles. Bronze records in nineteen seventy eight releasing a cover of Louis Louis and performing for the first of many times on top of the POPs. Ooh On top of the POPs. I talked to the pope's we're on Okay that's enough that it's not it's not. The last event thought they capitalized on their newfound. Popularity released two albums in Nineteen seventy-nine overkill and bomber overkill for one is a fucking amazing album. You right though damage case no class. Albie your sister metropolis mall classic motorhead. That album was an unexpected success. So they tried to keep the ball rolling with bomber. It works but recording. Bomber was a pain in the ASS. Because that's too much recording in two short amount of time. Yes but this is what they did in the seventies to four fucking albums in one year. Like we've covered this several times. Because yes we have weird. They worked with legendary producer. Jimmy Miller who at the time heroin problem so bad that even the rolling stones couldn't handle it and kicked him out of their recording sessions. Think about that. I am and it hurts the brand. I hate to rain a little bit. The band immediately followed up with the iconic album. Ace of Spades Yup. The Ace of spades single was released on October twenty seventh nineteen eighty with the album following in September. This became the definitive motor head anthem. Even if you don't know motor heads discography at all. You probably know ason spades the minute. Ashi said a suspends Braids. They sprayed all of your brain stood that collectively. You're welcome the brought motor head into the spotlight It was something people hadn't heard before their sound or look. It was completely different than anything else out there. Motorhead is truly the point on the map. Were all the different rock. Sub genres can trace the roots. Back to yeah fuck Elvis. Fuck the rolling stones. Fuck the Beatles Motor. Head is the true influencer. They are the and hold on. I do still want to give. Judas priest's there do because I'd have to play a big part to say Judas. Priest and motorhead are the speed bump into from the seventies to the eighties. So the only difference is I would say Sonically motor head has more of an on punk. Who and Judas Priest's yeah you right you right but I'm talking wise. Oh Yeah Judas priest to everyone route helford definitely influence yaw gay men and I'm here for it. That's great I'm so fucking here for. Yeah no but you're one hundred percent right in a hundred percent agree with you. That motor head is that is you can see exactly where motor head is the trunk tree and their branches are all the different genres that came from. It's like that prison that you put in front of the light. Yeah some motor heads that prison and then like all the rainbow color comes in all the fucking different genres. I like my analogy better but I get what you're saying stand. I'm just saying Hashtag just saying spray. Where IN SOME LULA? All the same to me three. I can't finish. Thank you okay anyway. Anyway they had planned on going on tour in nineteen eighty to support. Ace's spades. Believe it to filthy animal to fuck it up again again. This time he led a friend. Lift him his head to test his strength and the friend promptly dropped him on his head and broke his fucking idiot. Laughing but terrify out laughing when you need to look up videos of Phil. Because he was just he was literally animal from the muppets. Bonkers this totally checks for him. Oh my God. They cancelled the tour. So Phil could heal. Then they went on a short. Uk Her aptly titled The short sharp pain in the neck. Tour Lemme was a funny guy was a funny guy. You right well. As speeds did pretty well new. Uk Charts their first number. One album was alive. Album called no sleep till Hammersmith embar eight. When did this come out? Oh boy one thousand. Nine hundred eighty eight right. Didn't species took no sleep till Brooklyn from no sleep till Hammersmith. Yeah Yeah So. This came out in eighty or eighty one. Yeah yeah that's right. Wow I did the beastie boys episode Houston Card. Remember that I didn't see. Even the fucking beastie boys were influenced by motor head on you. It's the prison raise. It's a tree. It's a prism. The tree of life the prism of fish chattering annuals running through the veins of that tree. You can pour Jack Daniels out of prison. Just end up with a wet prison. Will you just stand up with a drunk? Both are great. They embarked on a USO tour with blizzard of Oz. But went right back into new. You'RE GONNA laugh at that. Blizzard of is it was ozzy's first attempt at a solo career. I don't believe God hopeless GonNa have to play free. I have it on vital. I'M GONNA have to play for you. It's literally called Blizzard of Oz. Things wrong with that anyway but after they toured with blizzard vase. They went right back into the studio to record. Nineteen eighty-two Iron Fist. There was a lot of tension surrounding the recording of this album. And it would be the last to feature the classic. LemMe Clark Taylor lineup. Oh because did get hurt again. No wow question mark. They tried to mix things up for the for the Iron Fist tour but it just taught them not to fix shit than eat broke. That's fair up. Until now they had been using what was called the bomber lighting rig at their shows. It was a lighting rig literally in the shape of an airplane. Ooh That was suspended from the ceiling. It was cool and was a staple at their shows but they wanted something a little fresher so they tried making giant fist. That will lower from the ceiling of fingers would open up the bands and intrude. This is spinal tap fashion the rake malfunction during I because of course it did during the first show of the tour making a rude gesture at the audience and forcing the band to have to climb down off of it to get to the. It came out as a middle finger. Yeah first of all. I would love that if I were there. That'd be hilarious. I would fucking eventually. The bomber plane made its way back to the motor. Shows that idea in the meantime problems simmering between Lemon Eddie. Fan Steady too fast and furious. Diesel all non during the other one that nobody Les Walker. No He is dead. I don't know I never watched fast. Furious both the other one that nobody. Nobody likes anybody in those movies. Now Shirley's thrown she and she's in the last one. I don't know if you watch US and furious. Help me with this analysis. Who's the one that nobody likes? Isn't there one. Who's the guy in those movies? Wow Guy who's bald? And he was in like the action movies Jason Stefon. That's his name the Trans Porter. That's the movies. Yeah I don't think Houston fast and furious did I. There is only one room for one bald man in the fast and furious. Fucking diesel. Okay I don't know I believe you might be thinking of the Italian job. Sure that's a movie right. Well can rocket we don't talk about movies. This is why that's why I don't know. Oh yeah so fast. So problems were simmering with Lemmy and Fast Eddie. It culminated in east departure and it was all because of Wendy O Williams. Yes Lemme decided that motor head and the plasmatics were going to collaborate recording an EP. That included a cover of. Tammy WYNETTE S- stand by your man which is an amazing cover and we've heard it and it's I love it. Nobody likes this. Everyone hates it. I like it just because it's Wendy. And Lemme me. I thought that's why we liked it. That's why I love it but you really sit down and listen to. It's not a good song no but like but it's Wendy and lemming. Yeah it's what you expect to get from. LemMe in Wendy. Why expecting a good song. I Know Wendy Lemme. It's literally going. Then that's all it is and that's exactly what everybody did. Wendy Wendy Wendy and Lemme is Lundy lemony Oh kill. Liam's like that you do good your Mary Go. Yeah almost fucked it up but I got it got it anyway. Eddie refused to play on the record but agreed to produce during the recording merciful. Act Real Communist over here during the recording sessions when he couldn't get in tune and had trouble landing her parts which annoyed him not playing on. The album also annoyed him basically made that choice. Basically everything pissed him off and after he and Lemme exchange some harsh words Eddie quits fuck. Eddie in quitting was something every couple of months so it wasn't a surprise but this time. Lemmy Phil didn't ask him to come back. Fuck Eddie Yeah instead. The band hired Brian Robertson. Former guitarist of thin lizzy to replace. Eddie Phil was huge thin lizzy fan and pressure. Lemme into hiring him and they're pretty hard up for guitarist with the tour looming overhead. So he agreed. Okay from the start. Brian Robertson did not fit in with the band. O On Stage. LemMe infill would come out in their leather and bullet belts real metal looking. Yeah and Phil would come out wearing satin and sandals and Terry cloth headbands like he was coming straight out of a dire straits video. Wait a minute wait. Brian is from. Brian was from thin lizzy. He was down with the metal. Look no he was not. Oh because you said Phil came out with starts own. I'm sorry I wrote my notes wrong rare now so I got really confused. Wait did just change his like little tune. He's like I want you to hire now thin lizzy to everything back was no let me and Phil. We're real metal looking but Brian Robertson came out in the satin shorts and the sandals and the head is that within lizzy used to wear no not at all. So was Brian just thinking. This is an easy going retirement gig. This was just like what people were wearing at the time like think of a dire straits video. Not The I want my MTV right. I right but one where they're actually playing like. This is the outfits that they would wear. I this is also. You're in fucking motorhead. Yeah he didn't give a shit rice for the job. You Walk Motherfucker. Maybe he didn't want the job. I don't know Shit Brian. You're not you're thin lizzy and respect but also like come motorhead. Yeah you're in motorhead. Come look the part apart or pay the price. I was going to say that but it didn't. Then you said it. I got you Brian. Robertson didn't stay long he votes say he remained in the band through the recording. Of One. Thousand nine hundred. Three's another perfect day. Which was apparently fucking torture for him forever. Everyone good the album. Didn't do well and thoroughly confused critics and fans alike after the subsequent tour ended. Brian Left. They held auditions to replace him. But couldn't choose between two guitarists Phil Campbell and a guy named Russell. I mean you should pick worzel because you already have a film that's too many fields filler fell. Yeah but they ended up taking them. Both okay I mean like you could also have a resume lead. Yeah but just as the solidified a new lineup Phil Taylor left the band in nineteen eighty-four thinking his fame and fortune laid with Brian Robertson. And the satin shorts. I'm sorry what yeah he just left. What's yeah spoiler? Eight didn't lie with Brian Robert. So Saturday Phil was briefly. Reprint replaced by Pete. Gill of the Band Saxon. Before rejoining in nineteen eighty-seven limbless slurry glaze. Would lock to join us again. I didn't mean to leave snivelling with Dick between his legs failing improperly filthy animal or you're just a filthy asshole just filthy bitch. Ooh Girl No. He's actually a really good Drummer and I mean. I'm sure he's a great drummer. I'm not eating langmore artist person ever but you know. He's dumb fell. He learned. He came back very but yeah. Nineteen eighty-four was turning out to be a crazier as it was also in bronze records started. Acting Shady. They decided motor head wasn't worth their time anymore since we were in the middle of hairband mania. So they did what every record label would do. When they decide to band is dead. They released a greatest hits album. No Miami's Mama didn't raise no fool. He knew what they were up to own Dan. As soon as he heard about the record he took over the project. Personally selecting all the tracks plus insisting the band record four new songs to be including four. You're here greatest sits out. Yeah no remorse was released in September. Nineteen eighty-four and the single killed by death did reasonably well on the charts though it would become a stable at their staple at their shows. It's a pretty solid jam. It's a good one. Yeah everyone was killed by death as so stupid. No it is funny. It's supposed to be funny. Yeah like you kind of stupid. But I'm sure they meant it to. He knew what he was doing. Yeah let me. He's no fool for the next two years motor head were involved in a court case against bronze records in which they claimed. Bronze was not promoting them properly as a result bronze ban them from entering any recording studio. Yeah instead they toured relentlessly for the next couple of years as it was the only way for them to get any income and the lawsuit was eventually settled in the band's favor and they immediately went into the studio to record their next album. Orgasmic tron released on August Ninth Nineteen eighty-six six. This time it was released on their own label. Gw are what is Gw? Arstan for? It was like Craig Western route. Great Western road. It was the name of the street that the head of the record label lived on. Oh Shit okay. The title has nothing to do with orgasms or anything like that In fact it's a commentary on the hypocrisy of religion politics and war and let me was saying that these three things are like orgasm machines for people it makes no sense how people get so worked up to the point of splurging all over dumb things like church in elections and shooting. People is extremely apropos. Right now no. That's still still fits. Thanks slimy the band dipped into the Joe. Paterno well again. For the album's cover this time. He came up with the idea of putting the war pig face on the front of a train. It seems in Congress considering the album called GAZ Metron but that's because it was originally titled Right In with the driver at the time. LemMe was living on a houseboat. And I really hope he was like docked next to John mcphee. Can you imagine just like in the morning? Wake up like I I I do this morning and just WanNa you doing I picture. LemMe just living on this houseboat and just constantly wearing the shortest shorts known to man. Y'All because apparently he really liked short fucking shorts so I just picked him in the shortest daisy. Dukes ever just comes out in his leg. Takeaways see both Agassi. Oh bowls man through drinks together at eight thirty in the morning and bathroom. I want some Oprah's a you know. Some up was a on sapone yet. You know some call Neck Nang Jang Ninos. So he was living on a houseboat and he was really into model trains at the time. That's this is like the nerdy ass shit. I've ever heard I love it. All I can think of is a mighty wind the movie with Jennifer coolidge talking about model train. Yes thank God for the Model Trains. Or how would we have gotten the big trains so yeah he told Joe to drop something with the train on it so he did because he really liked. Murray like trains. It's okay. It's really cute. The band released the album rock and roll in one thousand nine hundred seven but considering they're crazy schedule which included touring appearing in the movie. Eat The rich and dealing with Peter Gill's departure and fills re entrance. They literally peace album together and shoved it out the door shit but also we should be eating the rich we should be. I mean Yeah Nam Nam Nam percent. Those are the Yum yum. Wanted to Albion's. Yeah in the meantime. LemMe Move to good old West Hollywood. Just two blocks from his absolute favorite hangout. Spot and second home the infamous Rainbow Bar and grill. Yeah he got himself a modest two bedroom apartment that over the years became quite the hoarders paradise whole and model trains hold on. How long do you live there? He moved there in nineteen ninety. He lived there for twenty five years. Who In the same apartment for twenty five years all right yeah? It wasn't just filled with war memorabilia. It was full of knickknacks and stuff fans had given him over the years. Yes lots of trash Oleg. Just trash trash. He was a legit fuck or he could have been on celebrity horner. Yes if that were a thing which should be thing. Why is that not a thing because he died and he might be the only one I. I doubt he's the only one but I mean yeah it was a tiny apartment was a lot of fucking shit in it. He could have just gotten a House. He could have the reason he stayed in that apartment for so long was because it was literally two blocks from Rainbow. And that's where he spent all of his time. If he wasn't touring or in the studio all right yeah he do. He does him. Yes but spent so much time at the rainbow that it didn't really matter how cluttered his apartment was. He even had his own corner of the bar. And the owner installed in electric slots game. Just for Lemme Oh. You weren't kidding. I was not kidding. He is the old man at the corner of the bar. Plan the slots game. Wow why he didn't care about the state of his apartment. He liked living alone and that meant he could live however he wanted. He's right as long as he had his collection of Nazi sabres and Video Games and a shelf of Jack Daniels. He was happy. I'm so I'm so like just torn about all this. Yeah I feel about. LemMe the same way Peter Steele when we did. Yeah the type of negative episode weird Uncle Weird on call you get in fights with them but at the end of the day still love him right. You're wrong but I don't think you want to hurt anybody and I still sit on your face about an uncle. That's-that's separate your that's different. We that is far removed from that is very far. That's like in another neighborhood. Yeah possibly state definitely stay. Yeah the same year. Let me move to the states. The Band went into the studio to record a new album producer. Ed Stadium got so fed up with lemonis drinking that he quits. Oh Shit was just fine with me. After he found out Edwards sneaking tambourines and Shit into their tracks which is eighty looking. No do not fuck input. No JANGLE frisbee track. I fucking Jangle Frisbee your face your face. Oh Yeah. They released the album. Nineteen sixteen in January nineteen ninety-one to critical success. Nineteen sixteen was the first motorhead album to be nominated for a grammy. Oh Shit also in Nineteen ninety-one let me took a little break from motorhead. Wrote a few songs for a dear friends. That friend happened to be Ozzy. Osbourne was recording his solo album. No more tears LemMe wrote four songs for the Prince of darkness including Mama. I'm coming home. Oh Shit and hell raiser. He said he made more money from those four songs than he did. In the fifteen years he'd been in motorhead at that point. Oh Shit yeah take that. It's Kinda crazy. He wrote Mama. I'm coming home. That's pretty all of it's pretty nuts. Yeah back in the studio. While recording for motorhead Lemme started to realize filled with just not working out anymore again again part to it was obvious to let me that. Phil skills weren't up to snuff anymore whether it was drugs or alcohol taking its toll on him or just lack of practice. He just wasn't pulling his weight in. LemMe fired him. This happened in the middle of recording. Their next album marcher die. This meant that. The album actually had three different drummers on it wow phil another prolific rock drummer named Tommy Aldridge who has recruited only further recording and McKee at the time CDs. Mickey D's just a just a freeman. He just fries fries. Mozzarella stared like he's just see plays a fry guitar. A freighter fright giant Mozzarella stick. Oh God that says delicious. Always at the time. Mickey is most notable for playing with King Diamond. After he broke from merciful feeds. Nice Mickey's first. Show in motor head was at none other than Saratoga Performing Arts Center here in our little area in New York SPEC SPEC now we here yeah except Fuck Sir Toga. Yeah also fight US Saratoga listeners. You'RE NOT GONNA YOU'RE GONNA pay somebody else to fight us. 'cause you're boozy boozy. Yeah good I'll have a lot more away do it's fine. Whenever nineteen ninety-five saw the departure of words. Wurzel presumably to work on solo stuff. He was also like an pretty fucking tired of Lemme and in order to preserve their friendship. He was like yeah. I gotta go. Oh the band didn't try to replace him. And although there were ten there was tension at his departure he and Lemme continued to be good friends until his death in two thousand eleven which devastated Lemme. He truly felt a close kinship with Wurzel and he was heartbroken over his staff. Was it just age? I think so. Okay he's been older not really use about the same age as Lemme just lake. Hardly academia I was GonNa say that hard rock rock life. He may have had like cancer or something cannot. Okay can't remember in two thousand and five motor head. Finally won a grammy. But of course it wasn't for any of their original compositions. No it was for a cover of metallica's Song Whip Lash. I mean it's a good For Parola as you couldn't give them a grammy for their own shit. Their own shit's real. Also DENV METALLICA cover motor and like inspired by motor and like yes. This is about motorhome. Layers of irony or like an onion. Now they're worsening. Yeah which is relying on you. I hate onion but also I kind of feel like ever since the grammy's fucked up and gave throw tall and award over Metallica. They've been jerking off. Metallica nonstop. Little the sorry Metallica and Lars Orix like why you better be fucking story for METALLICA. Give us all the All we got all the rewards and a Danish pastry birthday party wasn't going to be a tennis player. My Dad's disappointed in me. He he is though he is though it doesn't matter how big lars gets. His Dad has always disappointed in him. Since then Lenny's health wasn't looking so great. Oh he had been hospitalized in two thousand with the flu and along infection. Oh and since then had been diagnosed with diabetes and hypertension that didn't stop him from excessive drinking and smoking however no he had stated once that he drank an entire bottle of Jack Daniels a day since he was thirty years old. That's too much Jack Daniels saying that's too much alcohol can you? I'm saying that's too much Jack. Daniels imagine drinking so much Jack Daniels that you could drink an entire bottle day and completely function normally. Do you know the most I drink is tonight's Monday nights and I feel like Shit for three days afterwards and Mike. Extra never took a gun. But then I'm fine just in time for Monday's but if I hung Agean yeah being Lemme but if you're constantly operating at that level no normal but I can't imagine that that's what I'm saying like I can't imagine being lemme in doing that and not being like I'm fucking over this but at the same time. He's still drinking this much. He still smoking. He's still touring and doing all this terrible shit to his body and on top of that. He's now taking medication for diabetes and hypertension. He's drinking a bottle of Jack a day while he's on blood thinners. Oh no honey. No you're not supposed to to do that. But it's still alive and you still fucking fawning useful for a long time for that. Yes but the turning was in two thousand thirteen motor heads. Tour was cancelled that year because of Lennie's deteriorating health he had a cardioversion defibrillator implanted in his chest. That would Joel his heart if it detected an irregular heartbeat. My God still. He continued to partake in these bad habits. It quote dogged insolence in the face of mounting to the contrary which I fucking love that's an mostly British thing I've ever heard but also the most intelligent way of saying I'm not stopping drinking. I feel I would love it. You know what if there's any fucking fan requests that I've ever made? Can someone please put that in a cross stitch for us? That would be wonderful. That would be honest the sweetest bestest thing I'd ever seen in my life. Yeah that is kind of my motto. Now insolence in the face of mounting opposition. To the contrary is great I love I mean. Yeah like right now. Yeah I mean if anything. LemMe was a fucking wordsmith. He was a very very talented lyric writer. He was straight to the point. Always funny always poignant's and always on point with everything he said. Yes great great here for it by Twenty fifteen. It was obvious that Lenny's health was in serious decline. He lost a lot of weight and was gone and had to use a cane to get around. He stopped drinking as much and went from smoking. Two packs of cigarettes a day to one pack a week all right. I mean like hold off you could have slowed down on the six MEA like he could've slowed down on the six back in the early off like get it. He started smoking when he was eleven years old. So honestly at that point. What is the point but two packs a day? That's a lot. That's a bit excess or sixty years also likes shot attractive. Yeah but he fucking managed array. I guess I duNno heels life. He refused to give up music though and recorded motor heads twenty second and last album. Jesus add magic which was released in August. Twenty fifteen to good reviews. The celebrating was lived however and a half to mention that I skipped over twenty years right at this point of. Will you motorhead in history? You kind of dipped. However it's it's literally just the record tour. Repeat Record to a repeal fuck bitches and fuck bitches in all the same shit in like he collaborated with a lot of people like from the stray cats and all this other shit something that. I didn't know until I listened to his some of his songs recently triple h his theme song. Yes he was very involved with the wwe and triple H in particular. He did triple. H His intro switch. Now when I hear you WANNA play the game. I'm like Oh my God. Of course. That's Lemme yeah. He also performed at Wrestlemania twenty one and performed at a bunch of other lake wrestling events. Yeah I don't I don't get it but like cool confer buddy involved around good for you. Claps around claps all around so the celebrating was short lived after bad. Magic came out first in twenty. Fifteen Lemme was hospitalized for a lung infection after experiencing breathing problems while performing He came home from tour to a big party for seventy th birthday but at the party his manager todd singer men could tell he wasn't feeling well so he immediately brought. LemMe to the doctor only two days later on December twenty sixth. Let me learn from doctors that he had prostate cancer. Arrhythmia and congestive heart failure. I did not realize he had cancer. Yeah that's what got him. The cancer was aggressive and had already spread to his neck and brain because prostate. Cancer IS NO JOKE. Now you might. It might be highly Tolerance tolerable like you can live it as long as long as it doesn't go past the prostate right. Once he moves past that you're fucked a moves so quickly you could be dead within weeks. It's ridiculous friend of ours just passed away at the end of the year last year. Within two months after being diagnosed with prostate cancer it had spread throughout his entire body. I can't believe how quick it spread. It was ridiculous it was insane. You're right it's it is a terrifyingly aggressive. You think you have so much time even if you catch it really early and it could just explode out of nowhere. That's crazy yeah. He went home to rest and the owner of the rainbow. Michael Magli Airy even had Lenny's beloved slots machine installed at his bedside so he could play it at home all his sweet and the doctor had given. LemMe two to six months to live but only two days later on December Twenty Eighth Twenty fifteen. LemMe passed away in his apartment very very sad and it. It kind of sucks that. That was the way it went. Yeah see lake. Didn't even have time to like Prep Oppress Statement Ryan press releases and like. Tell anybody about it. He really argued as didn't have time to even fully process what was going on right. I mean to be told you. Prostate cancer and lung failure heart failure. And all these things and like it's in your brain is in your neck in like you need a little fuck in minute to look at that. Shit and say okay. Let me process this and privately time even like start to get to the point of processing it. Hugh passed away. Yeah and that's fucking terrible. Yeah but at the same time. It's almost I don't condone condone. Like I'm not okay with how his death happened but at the same time it's kind of appropriate just because he lived fast. Yeah mast compromise. Nothing to live the way you wanted to live right so he was going to die fast and he was. GonNa die by something like cancer that was gonNA wipe him out completely swiftly and quickly is I actually thought it was just a total Coronary failure just had heart attack. I didn't even really congestive heart failure. To which if the cancer didn't get him the heart failure would pretty soon so you know it was going to be one or the other. Yeah I mean on all he I'm just I'm just wondering if he had just been cut down like one pack a day earlier today like if he had cut it down when he was in his fifty S. That's what I mean. Yeah I mean getting to two packs a day. Seems like maybe he could made it to like eighty. But that's stretching it like seventy three seventy. It would've gone maybe a couple years and that was it. Yeah I wasn't going crazy. Yeah but I mean dude was working nonstop up until the day. He died back for that. I think the last show he played was on December eleventh. Twenty fifteen and people were like You're not looking so good right. I do remember that like. He looked like half of the man that he used to look like he was so skinny and so just weak and I feel like Lemme was almost the start of everything. Yeah terrible think about it. I mean he's started it lose Limi- than Bowie then prints than George Michael then like it's just like Bam Bam Bam preparing for Brown choice. Michael died a long time ago. Yeah he died in two thousand sixteen at the end of two thousand sixteen. George Michael Yes no George. Michael died while ago. Dini in two thousand sixteen. Oh really yeah no. We didn't see did yeah. He died on Christmas 2016. He died the Day Inbetween. Lenny's birthday and when he got diagnosed with cancer. No because let me twenty fifteen. Oh he died in two thousand sixteen and George Michael Dell the that's right so like it started with Lemmy and then ended at George Michael. He'd never ended. Because we're still in this fucking black terrible. There is an alternate timeline. LemMe hasn't died yet. David Bowie or Prince or George. Michael and like trump didn't become president and like the current virus didn't happen or if it did happen. Someone more mature handle that. That was the latest timeline. We are currently living in the darkest timeline. I don't think we are in the absolute darkest but we are probably like two shades from black on the computer settings. Yeah relate those two shades of gray above it. Yeah exactly black. But they're not hodel black yet. I'm holding onto. Yeah thanks for listening. Guys everything's fine. We landed on such a shitty. No but you know what? LemMe lives on our fucking hearts. He does honestly. I missed out on years of really. Enjoying Lemme until I was close. Close my thirties. Yeah but I always appreciated him an honestly just he was the consummate fucking bad ass. Honestly yeah and for what it's worth. Yeah he died the way he died but I don't think he regrets it either. I don't really think every day. He went toys. Like what via Di? Di Yeah I would rather see him go out very quickly at age seventy then to just spend twenty years. Wasting away yes. So that's the fucking worse. Yeah he this is kind of the most appropriate kind of death for somebody who lived the life that he lived God and he lived such an amazing light and I didn't even get to half of the shit that I read about that. He talked about anything. So it's hard because you did so much motor had be also has done so much with other so much with girls school. Who is a hugely influenced influential all female punk bands that was also on bronze records He did a lot with Wendy. He really loved you. Any did Yes Oh he did a lot of ship. Yeah honestly like respect for. LemMe hear some weird uncle tendencies but but he. I don't think that he I think he was more misguided and less militias which is it was also you work with also a product of his generation. Yeah which is not an excuse. However it's an explanation of who he is. I think at a certain point. We have to be accepting of people who they are. Because no one's GonNa Change if you tell them that. I fucking hate you and think your gross right or if you just straight up say no. You're wrong yeah you have to listen to what their side is understand it from their side and accept them from their side and then they can slowly learn from you in you learn from them. I mean that's the point of relationship right wing. Learn from each other exactly. I learned a lot from LEMme. I also learned. I will gladly sit on his face if he were ever here again. Young Lemme we were born in the wrong time period. He's we would have been motorhead groupies inning second shits. Oh my God. I'd be fine without one hundred percent. Yeah but I would make him wear a condom. Oh Yeah Yeah and I would certainly be on some sort of birth control. No more little lenny's happening no more little emmys. Thanks guys for listening. We hope you guys enjoy episode. Yes thank you for sticking in for this long I literally skip twenty years worth of history we could do strictly motor had episode and pride dig into more strictly people who worked with. Lemmy episode in digging more. Now we can work on it and you can listen by up our website. Www Dot rock candy. Podcast DOT COM. You can comment on the episode. You can toss US email. 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Rock Candy Ep. 104: Whitney Houston's Whitney - Great Video For Music

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Rock Candy Ep. 104: Whitney Houston's Whitney - Great Video For Music

"Got a snag more. It's talk back. We could fuck and make so much money just on that clip alone pulse. Just you're scratching see this. Is the Patriot. Take content fucking league. We're either agree to drive people insane or give them Boehner's drive them insane with voters even the women they're going to be like. Where's this coming from my God? I feel slightly more professional now that we have always like we should be saving this for actual. Are we recording. I mean this is her fucking. It's our intro Paul Sachs or if this is your first time listening to rock candy podcast. Welcome to the PODCAST. I can will fall sacks no dell but hello welcome to the show we normally are your podcasts bringing yeah weekly sweet treats stories at tales from the world of music. Apparently this we've turned into a SMRT. Yeah we tease it. But just about every week I think we finally now that we have headphones were like Oh and now everybody understands that. They don't want it. Yeah they just don't want it the dealt oh like we just scratched the microphone. Say Pulse work very specific niche for that. But that's a niche. I I don't WanNa be in. I think that we've both gained an loss listeners. Within the past few minutes so my that SIA. Yeah you can't ball sacks get the fuck outta here atty friend anyway probably word because I mean let's be friends only. Yeah Yeah. This is on brand for them. This makes it. Yeah this is NATO Maggie. I'm Ashley we're the host of the show this of this five star Classy show about music not ball sacks we are very nice young ladies. I mean we can be. Yeah Yeah when the situation calls for it this is not the situation. This is the situation but also nothing to do with. We're talking about tonight. Yeah no this is complete other side of the spectrum as far as our usual topics. Yeah well no tonight's topic anyway. Yes tonight we're bringing it back. We're bringing an old school. We are kicking off black history month with a row banger. Yeah we are doing an album review which we have not done one in a while yet. It's been a really long time to Whitney Houston's sophomore. Release Whitney Whitney yes. It's it's a really good one. It's the one with all the jams on. It is the one with all the most of the jams. There are a couple janitor on other ones. Yeah but this is pretty primary jams arguably the first jam. How will I know was on her first album? which was called Whitney Houston well? It would just. It wasn't called anything. It was called Whitney Houston Houston. I'm sorry it was called Wheaton. Houston yes but we're talking about the second album. which was just called? Whitney in the third album was called. Houston right uh-huh wasn't should've been wasn't they fucked up. They did fuck up. Come on Quinny come get it do better. Yeah I mean. Come on Bobby Bobby. No we had to do it at least wanted to do it at least one and now never again. Oh no no. We're going to be doing that. The whole fucking guys. I'm going to be doing that. The whole fucking up. So yeah it's going to be a body. Yeah that's we're starting off strong with. Wow we I'm so. Sorry we're we're not. We're not classy ladies now we have headphones now so we might not be classy. But we're professional. We are professional. I know that that's really sad to know that we've been doing this for two years. Without Abe's finally have headphones like what is actually fucking every time we would go gas somebody else's podcast. We'd be like wait. We have to wear headphones and we're not used to hearing invoices. It's really weird. It was very very odd. And I'm very like self confidence or self conscious about all the noises we make you know. Oh make a lot of noises but you could hear everything and so weird which is why we're Asmar in the beginning. Yeah so hope you guys like that. Get your welcome. Yeah speaking of being self conscious of Asmar. Now I can hear myself. Drink are beer. You can hear every single gulp. Mola smack it's terrible. I know now I'm like really throat. Clear every tiny little. It's like oh I just gotTa like you know. Clear my mouth out. Nope oh God I got like three feet away from the Mike now. Yup they can hear everything. Yeah I'm sorry. This is why it takes Salonga edit but tonight for our classy night. We're drinking from grim classic rewind which is a west coast India the APP Pale Ale Cioppino. It's an Ip it is the most IPAI pa.. I've ever had. It's just like yeah. It smells terrible. Tastes Chase okay. Oh I didn't even smell it. I mean it smells like it's like an IRA polyps bro. Stop It. You do you WANNA drink like a fucking pine tree. 'cause I got one my fucking backyard. Putting blender Willis land mix it with some yeast. It's green but can be banned through. Go We got it got that I pay for you. Status how they make. Ip Streep pinecone straight pine cones. But it was funny because I had no fucking talking idea. What beard for this week? Yeah she didn't make it easy. No there's not really anything that could find with like dance or allows students wins or low. Yeah it's maybe because it's just it's it's February and it's winter and like they're in that weird weird bridges that weird week right before they start putting out the spring ails while I mean. Nobody puts out a Valentine's Day Ale which is weird so I imagine there's not a whole lot of beer. You're with the word love in it. So yeah yeah that makes sense. Well I mean but you love beer so also fucking stop it come on breeze start catering to our podcast seriously. I really need some more quinny. Houston Beers I'm a little upset. There aren't more the perfectly adequate beer. Yeah that's that's all you yours. I'm sorry I'm not drinking beers tonight. Yeah well and I mean you shouldn't you shouldn't because it hurts my tummy hurt Your Life Smith horrible. It's so good bullying ways. Need being okay to you. Yeah meets fine. 'cause it's not made out of we it's made out of honey and the one that I got 'cause I work at a metering now's he works at a metering. The one that I got doesn't have any sugar in it so that don't don't hurt my Tom Tom. Either God span tastic. Your boob needs great guys. You should drink it especially if you're in New York and you should visit Helderberg me each fucking work there now you can come visit me. Yeah now we're just GONNA shamelessly Po Plug Helderberg all the time. That was the agreement you can can work for us but you have to constantly plug us. Yeah I can do that. Yeah and all of its fucking delicious. So I'm here for it seriously. I will work for me and I do you do now do though get you living your best life this fucking girl here. So let's talk about some Whitney. Yeah Yeah let's go into Whitney. We're going to say it like that all fucking night. All Right Hawn I'll say at once tonight. We are discussing the album. Whitney me by Whitney. Houston it was her sophomore release back in the eighties. Get excited about that here. You go so I know. We frequently discussed the hardship chip for most musicians that is normally referred to as the quote unquote sophomore slump especially for new artists. Who hit the ground running trying to make thank your next album slap harder or even just as hard as that top selling debut can be a bit nauseating good luck? Good fucking luck. Many try and in many fail but sometimes someone is blessed with the talent or the luck or the team to bring it all together and amazed the pants off the world world with another best selling album on attempt to number two. Tell me about it. I'm going to and that's where the subject of today's episode comes comes in Whitney. Houston may unfortunately no longer be with us but her music is so timeless that it's sometimes hard to realize the truth of that ever versus day. One she's been keeping us on our toes. I mean that girl hits hits days. Yeah but also she has one of the most amazing voices that has ever graced our ears. Yeah we should be lucky that we even had a Whitney Houston in Nineteen eighty-five. She released her self titled Debut. You and the acclaim was non stop. It reached number one in the billboard charts and spawned three number one singles. Saving all my love for you. How will I I know? And greatest love of all so in Titian anticipation for the follow up was real. How will I know was is one of my favorite eighty s songs ever also one of my favorite eighties videos? It is quintessentially eighties an amazingly I duNno neon. Yeah I was GONNA okay. Which one was the? How will I know video? That was the one I believe. She was like walking through this weird kind of fun house with a lot of doors and mirrors. Oh like a gray dress like a real cute gray dress dress and handling a bow in her hair. Yes yeah I I remember like okay. The colors in her outfit and a lot of male dancers wearing black and white. Yes it really cute. That sounds lovely because sometimes I would confuse them. One with SOMO tional but so emotional. She's wearing the jacket and she's singing concert yes. So that's that's where the difference now. In the beginning Whitney had a pretty mature sound very adult contemporary with this elegance and romance is that seemed beyond her years very adult contemporary and especially considering shoes only twenty one twenty two at the time of this release but she looks about thirty I five which on the cover of them and it's so weird too because that was just the the thing look older than you. Are you like even Madonna. She was like early twenties as and she was looking closer to thirty. Yes she was and now it's like the complete opposite now. It's like the more you can look like a teenager. The better yeah. It's so weird for this album. It's it's not that she wanted to lose the maturity or the elegance but it seemed like a smart move to go into the direction where she had a little more fun she she dabbled with this a little on her debut with the single. How will I know It's really the only pop song that came on that record. Yeah so she brought in co writer slash flesh producer of that Song Specifically Naroda Michael Walden and he came in to produce seven out of the eleven tracks and at the moment of truth. Whitney exceeded the success of her debut. Album and June twenty-seventh nineteen eighty seven. It debuted at number one on the billboard making her the first female artists to do this and it stayed at number one for eleven weeks so when you combine that with the fourteen weeks that her debut state at number for one she created the record for the artists with the most cumulative weeks at number one. Because that's twenty five weeks and I think those who are counting and I think the Only or the next female to do that was Mariah Carey. I think I don't think anybody's being her yet. No I think they have but I think it was Mariah Carey probably. It was a long time after I honestly tried to find it lake. And all I could ever find was like Whitney Houston the Muslim Rohingya right. Yeah I think I think cumulative not like career laying on no consecutive. So I think cumulatively she does I don't know that's what I read. Okay either way like fucking good girl. She started it. I mean honestly. She started though. Finally this album contained four number number one hits and that to the three previous from her debut and that landed heard the achievement of seven consecutive number one hits the highest held by any artist. I even surpassing the Beatles. Yeah that's crazy yeah. This album was a fucking BOP. Yep people were into it as you can see. Whitney is an album filled with accolade after accolade. PUTT critics didn't see it that way. Let's critics are are so stupid. Oh get ready shit here so much. Shade about fucking critics. They hated this album. Many any claimed the album was quote too safe and repressive and that it was just following a formula. Well Fuck those opinions because that formula went nine times platinum awesome so maybe they don't really know as much as they think they never do. They never do. Because that's the secret critics. It amazes me that critics even even have jobs because I mean they. They're always the exact opposite of what audience and the people in general and at this stage of the game. Right Ain't leak. People are just going to listen to what they want to listen to because now we have spotify and Pandora and Youtube where people listen to their music. Most people barely listening to the radio. Right so oh really critics. I don't know how much power you think you have because now it's so easy listening music. Yeah I yeah. I don't really get like music. Critics exists anymore because now now we can completely follow your own opinion and also what kind of critics do we have right now for music rolling stone. Yeah no pitchfork. No No. y'All are cute cute. Yeah no I'm I'm good not listening to you ever seriously. However you know when pitchfork does like an album it's for a really good reason it's a really fucking good album like no? We really do like this. And you're like good as you should really help them but they just don't like anything else. It has to be an extremely exceptional album for pitchbook pitchforked. Actually like it pitchfork Pittsburgh. Oh it's just a pig. Writing Music reviews. They'll farm pig with a pitchfork. Yeah he's like our great art reviews on Koa Inc.. I like clone tree all. Can you likes a little pigs by Green Jelly. That's about little pick. Let them know the he loves that Song. I love that Song fucking. Let's let's take a minute but that's not what we're I'm here to talk now. We're not talking about green jelly nettle ever really the exact opposite Green Jelly. Probably the only time we will talk about Green Jelly. No I want to do an episode on Green. Well never all right. We'll talk for today. We're talking about quinny and how great this album is it is. It's really solid jams. Critics are dumb but maybe it's time we just take a look at the top selling album. The music speak for itself. Yes let's hear it so we are going to start it off with the first track which gets the shit started. All right. Gets every party started everything in the world to get started with this. I WANNA dance with somebody. Who Loves ME DABAN boy did we start on a high? No Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah this album comes insane fucking around probably the most upbeat song to ever exist. This is still jam and I dare you to listen to it and not end up dancing dancing around just a little bit. Yeah I'm Kinda Sad. You stopped it because I wanted to listen to the whole thing. Oh well sorry fine. It's fine I guess we'll stay. I I mean we can. We can just listen to you again later. Fine we have things to do as previously mentioned Whitney brought back Noranda Michael Walden to help with some of these tracks and this was one of them but worden was not the only one brought back to make a little magic a second time The other co the writers of how will I know our George Merrill and Shannon Rubicam who you may know as the pop duo boy meets girl. I don't know who that is. You know the song. We're oh my air and my eyes baby. Yeah of a girl. I've forgot about that. That fucking leave from laws boys in the fucking video. Oh yeah boy meets girl comes back and they were tasked asked to come up with another hot number one for Whitney small sophomore release. She just should've covered eating. I started fall funny story. I'll get to that. ooh initially. They presented the label arches or Tisza Arista. Why can't I never say it? Aristo Aristo records. Oh my God thank thank you. Ariston records are saying artists are Disney with. It's a risk to record right. So initially they came in to Arista and they presented them with the song waiting for start fall at a phone and they said Nah. We're that wait for that. The past on it saying it just didn't seem suitable for Whitney. So the duo put their heads together though to come up with the Bush jam for her. Okay okay wow too big jams to jam do big Jim so many jams technically three because also how will I know when they came up with the concept of. I WANNA dance dance with somebody. They said the pictured the diva as someone who was single wishing to go out and find their special someone when they wrote somebody who loves me. They didn't I mean just for one night stand. They meant for the dance of life will. You're not gonNA find that in a club. I don't know maybe where do things what do you. You think Whitney is say eighties. Things were different. Yeah young it's probably more rupees primate. Definitely more cocaine canes sway more coke so much more coke. You couldn't leave the bar unless you know I would say there is far more irresponsible. Oh coke which technically all coke is irresponsible but we too much coke too much cocaine while everyone else was in love with it. Walden in wasn't sold he was afraid it sounded too much like a country ballad. He spent a lot of time trying to cultivate it to sound like a proper pop song but and he should've just had more faith in Whitney because once he brought it to her she knocked it out of the park first time. Well Yeah. 'cause it's Whitney Whitney who you think you're working with asshole rate but Waldon's concerns may not have been exactly on point but he probably felt some kind of stab when the critics came out against this hit. Hit single fuck. The critics already talked about that. We're going to say that a lot tonight. Many said it was. Just how will I know part too but this sounds like an unfair judgement from people who don't really have an ear for music. I wouldn't say it's how will I know part two. It's the follow up to. How will I now yeah? They're both Cynthia eighties pop songs. But I WANNA dance definitely improved upon its predecessor. Yes and it made a much deeper and more complicated song. Yes because let me tell you this song long modulate from its drum ts in the beginning to Whitney's confidence with that energetic that Ric flair Woo really she william invoke some Rick Flair with ric flair real hard and then she kicked off the song with just that Rick Flair to harmonic courses courses and it ends with the erotic PA- Polish run throughs. This song did take from the previous pot but improved upon in every way you can. Yes so I mean yeah