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Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers

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Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers

"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.

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Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon

AP News Radio

00:52 sec | Last month

Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon

"President trump's decision to commute the sentence of political confidante Roger stone is drawing sharp criticism from Democrats and pointed comments from the special counsel who oversaw his prosecution Roger stone was treated horribly Roger stone recruited very unfairly that's president trump speaking to reporters at the White House Saturday but in an op ed in The Washington Post former special counsel Robert Muller recounted how during the twenty sixteen campaign stone communicated with people known to be Russian intelligence officers who had stolen democratic emails house intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff tells ABC's this week this effort to get and use foreign assistance is what Roger stone had information on and he lied to cover up to protect the president Muller says stone committed federal crimes and rightly remains a convicted felon Ben Thomas Washington

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Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon

AP News Radio

00:53 sec | Last month

Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon

"Former special counsel Robert Muller is sharply defending his investigation into ties between Russia and Donald trump's two thousand sixteen presidential campaign Roger stone was brought into this switch judge this all political which shut down the mall or Tampa speaking to reporters Saturday president trump said he had done the right thing by committing Roger stone sentence because stone and others who have been prosecuted including former national security adviser Michael Flynn had been treated unfairly but in an opinion piece in The Washington Post the former special counsel asserts stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes Muller enumerates stones repeated lies to Congress including about his communications with people known to the F. B. I. to be Russian intelligence officers and says stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so Ben Thomas Washington

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Capitol Hill split on Trump's decision to commute Roger Stone's sentence

NPR News Now

01:04 min | Last month

Capitol Hill split on Trump's decision to commute Roger Stone's sentence

"Trump has commuted the sentence of his longtime friend, and in former political adviser Roger Stone, who was convicted for lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering in the investigation into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election NPR's Ryan, Lucas reports reaction on Capitol Hill Seems Split Along Party. Lines Republicans like Congressman Jim Jordan. He's a key. Trump ally on the hill came out in support of this move to. To grant a commutation to stone, but for Democrats in the president's critics, they have condemned trump's decision to commute stone sentence, and they call it an attack on the rule of law. They also say that it's part of a pattern. They point to the administration's decision earlier this year to drop charges against the president's former National Security Adviser, Michael Flynn, and now this decision to commute stone sense they say is evidence of politics infecting the judicial system. The White House says stone was charged by over zealous prosecutors on special. Counsel Robert Muller's team that was pursuing a baseless investigation which led to trump's impeachment.

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Prosecutor: Trump ally Roger Stone was 'treated differently'

AP News Radio

00:47 sec | Last month

Prosecutor: Trump ally Roger Stone was 'treated differently'

"A federal prosecutor is said to tell Congress that the justice department gave special treatment to one of president trump's close allies before sentencing in prepared testimony Aaron Zelinsky will tell the house Judiciary Committee he heard repeatedly that Roger stone was being treated differently from other defendants because of his relationship to the president so let's keep this part of special counsel Robert Muller scheme and was one of four lawyers who quit the stone case after the justice department over toward their sentencing recommendation and instead proposed a lighter sentence he'll testify today as part of the Democrat led panel's probe into justice department politicization under Attorney General William Barr an extraordinary case of a current prosecutor criticizing department leadership Sager made Donnie Washington

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Fired U.S. State Department watchdog tells lawmakers he was impartial

WBZ Afternoon News

00:37 sec | 2 months ago

Fired U.S. State Department watchdog tells lawmakers he was impartial

"A former top justice department official defending the Russia investigation during a hearing before lawmakers Senate Republicans begin their investigation into the F. B. I. twenty sixteen Russia probe and the surveillance of a trump campaign aide with the former deputy Attorney General rod Rosenstein with newly declassified records and a watchdog report that found widespread errors in the surveillance warrants Rosenstein said he would not have signed the paperwork if you had known then what he knows today Rosenstein who also appointed special counsel Robert Muller testified the two year probe was not a hoax committee Democrats said the hearing should have focused on policing issues and Kobe

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Rosenstein to testify as part of Graham's Russia investigation probe

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00:34 sec | 2 months ago

Rosenstein to testify as part of Graham's Russia investigation probe

"Former deputy Attorney General rod Rosenstein of Maryland will testify next week at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the justice department's Russia investigation that come from South Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham who chairs the committee Rosenstein's appearance in a week will come at the first federal oversight hearing of the committee's new investigation Rosenstein is a pivotal figure in the Russia probe because he's the one who appointed Robert Muller's special counsel the committee hearings are part of a broader effort by allies of president trump to call into question decisions and actions made during the Russia

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Graham calls Rosenstein as first witness in Russia inquiry

AP News Radio

00:43 sec | 2 months ago

Graham calls Rosenstein as first witness in Russia inquiry

"Hi Mike Rossi a reporting the Senate Judiciary Committee lines up its first witness as it looks into the Russia probe Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Lindsey Graham says former deputy Attorney General rod Rosenstein will testify on Wednesday as the committee opens an investigation of the FBI's Russia probe Rosenstein is a key figure in may twenty sixteen he appointed Robert Muller's special counsel to investigate potential ties between the trump campaign and Russia Rosenstein also authorized reviewing FBI applications to monitor a former trump campaign adviser Carter page last December the justice department inspector general concluded there were serious mistakes and omissions in F. B. I. applications to monitor page Mike Rossio Washington

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Supreme Court Blocks Release of Full Mueller Report for Now

Bloomberg Law

01:05 min | 2 months ago

Supreme Court Blocks Release of Full Mueller Report for Now

"Right the Supreme Court has blocked house Democrats from getting access to confidential materials from special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation for now granting a request from president trump's administration the order raises new doubts about whether Democrats will see that information anytime soon joining me is Greg store Bloomberg news Supreme Court reporter so basically what this is all about what about the mole report that was released more than a year ago with big parts of it repackage and what a lot of the underlying grand jury material not made available to members of Congress or the public for that matter and because of the low report left a lot of money answer questions for example he did not decide whether or not the president needed up structural justice he said that the fence it's our policy that we can't be indicted while in office I'm not gonna reach that conclusion any sort of left the ball in Congress court and what Congress thank okay to make that determination what we need to see all the information including the trick grand jury

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Supreme Court blocks disclosure of grand jury evidence from Russia probe for now

Mark Levin

00:31 sec | 2 months ago

Supreme Court blocks disclosure of grand jury evidence from Russia probe for now

"The Supreme Court temporarily blocked the release of grand jury materials from former special counsel Robert Muller's Russia probe correspondent Linda Kenyon has the latest the house Judiciary Committee has been trying to obtain the unredacted documents witness testimony involving president trump the court's ruling blocking the release gives the White House and the justice department until June first to file a full appeal the order from the court may suggest the justices will decide before their current term ends about whether to take up the case the house originally requested the material more than a

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Trump congratulates ex-adviser Flynn as DOJ drops his case

Morning News with Manda Factor and Gregg Hersholt

00:16 sec | 3 months ago

Trump congratulates ex-adviser Flynn as DOJ drops his case

"No mention of covert nineteen on Twitter this morning from president trump but he did congratulate his former national security adviser Michael Flynn a day after the justice department dropped charges against Flynn who pled guilty to lying to the FBI as part of special counsel Robert Muller's Russia

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Department of Justice dropping case against former Trump adviser Michael Flynn

America in the Morning

01:37 min | 3 months ago

Department of Justice dropping case against former Trump adviser Michael Flynn

"Another bombshell reporters gave president trump a breaking news the justice department was looking to drop the case against his first national security adviser Michael Flynn I didn't know that was happening at this moment I felt it was going to happen he was an innocent man he is a great gentleman he was targeted by the Obama administration and he was targeted in order to trying to take down a president in twenty seventeen the president fired Flynn for lying to the FBI about Russian contacts and for lying to then vice president elect Mike pence about it four days into the administration FBI agents interviewed Flynn but notes discussing what was the name of the interview prompted conservative allies and the president himself the claim planes innocence he was a case brought by Russia election meddling special counsel Robert Muller but the justice department now believes it should not have been prosecuted Michael Flynn agreed to plead guilty to one count of lying to FBI agents Mr trump fired Flynn was charged last week called him totally exonerated there was wide speculation president trump might pardon Flynn but the justice department filing says even if the former general lied to the FBI investigators already had a recording of one conversation Flynn had with Russia's then ambassador Sergei Kislyak during the transition Flynn told Kislyak the new president might put aside sanctions on Moscow imposed by president Obama of late president trump has been calling for the justice department to do what it did so I'm very happy for general Flynn he was a a great warrior and he still is a great warrior now in my book is an even greater warrior the president has even mused about bringing flint back to work at the White

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U.S. moves to drop case against Trump ex-adviser Flynn, who admitted lying to FBI

KCBS 24 Hour News

02:49 min | 3 months ago

U.S. moves to drop case against Trump ex-adviser Flynn, who admitted lying to FBI

"Twenty another setback for the investigation into Russia's influence into our twenty sixteen elections justice department says it's dropping its criminal case against president Donald trump's first national security adviser Michael Flynn case was brought by special counsel Robert Muller who said Flynn had lied to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in a January twenty seventeen interview for more key CBS news anchors Jeff bell and Patty rising spoke with John dean former White House of former White House legal counsel for president Richard Nixon Mr dean thanks as always for making some time for us to your initial reaction to hearing the news today pretty surprising actually yeah I'm a little a little confusing and also the motion that was filed to dismiss says that the the line was not material to the investigation is the reason they dismissed it well when you dig a little deeper it seems like a really very material to the investigation so this is kind of a pre tax basis to dismiss the charge this is a very naive question but I don't understand how the church just could be dismissed after general Flynn has already pleaded guilty to the judge the judge Solomon may not understand that either but he he has to find the rule on that whether or not the case can be dismissed the justice department is arguing that he really doesn't have anything to rule on that once they pull the case away that there's no discretion left for the judge to decide I think the judge is going to see it differently and we're going to have more of a hearing on this influx some of this out when asked about William Barr the Attorney General who was signed an outside prosecutor to review the justice department's case that was rather unusual move was it not it's been done before but typically in charges of misconduct by somebody in the department it's not typically done in routine criminal investigations but he's done it a number he has a number of Russia probe investigations under this kind of review we also not only the use of Saint Louis U. S. attorneys got want to Connecticut looking at other aspects of the case and the shopping until they find somebody who will disagree with the way the original prosecution was brought and dismiss it are there ongoing concerns about interference in the twenty twenty election there are as as special counsel Miller testified the guy even a year ago that the heat there were ongoing efforts by the Russians to interfere with our twenty twenty election the government the executive branch is doing nothing the Congress has been leased the house had been wringing his hands about it and expressing

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U.S. moves to drop case against Trump ex-adviser Flynn, who admitted lying to FBI

WTOP 24 Hour News

01:03 min | 3 months ago

U.S. moves to drop case against Trump ex-adviser Flynn, who admitted lying to FBI

"Development this week in the justice department they're dropping the criminal case against president trump's first national security adviser Michael Flynn following abandons a prosecution that became a rallying cry for the president and his supporters in attacking the F. B. I.'s trump Russia investigation prosecutors say that Flynn had lied to the FBI about his conversations with Russian ambassador in a January twenty seventeen interview one pleaded guilty he walked raider and Robert Muller's investigation of the president but then withdrew that guilty plea president trump demanded accountability what they've done is a disgrace and I hope the big price is going to be paying a big price should be paid there's never been anything like this in the history of our country CBS senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge is covering there was a filing by the justice department and it was based in part on new evidence that came to light as part of this independent review by the U. S.

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AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

AP News Radio

00:50 sec | 3 months ago

AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

"The APS learn the justice department is dropping the criminal case against president trump's first national security adviser it's a stunning reversal for one of special counsel Robert Muller signature cases prosecutors have maintained for three years that Michael Flynn lied to the FBI during the twenty seventeen interview about his talks with Russia's ambassador to Washington fling himself admitted it but the department says the interview was conducted with no legitimate investigative basis the case against Flynn was a rallying cry for president trump and his backers in bashing the FBI's Russia probe the reversal comes as Attorney General William Barr increasingly challenges the Russia investigation which could add to democratic concerns that bars excessively loyal to the president Sager met Ghani Washington

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AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

AP News Radio

00:50 sec | 3 months ago

AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

"The APS learn the justice department is dropping the criminal case against president trump's first national security adviser it's a stunning reversal for one of special counsel Robert Muller signature cases prosecutors have maintained for three years that Michael Flynn lied to the FBI during the twenty seventeen interview about his talks with Russia's ambassador to Washington fling himself admitted it but the department says the interview was conducted with no legitimate investigative basis the case against Flynn was a rallying cry for president trump and his backers in bashing the FBI's Russia probe the reversal comes as Attorney General William Barr increasingly challenges the Russia investigation which could add to democratic concerns that bars excessively loyal to the president Sager met Ghani Washington

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AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

AP News Radio

00:50 sec | 3 months ago

AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

"The APS learn the justice department is dropping the criminal case against president trump's first national security adviser it's a stunning reversal for one of special counsel Robert Muller signature cases prosecutors have maintained for three years that Michael Flynn lied to the FBI during the twenty seventeen interview about his talks with Russia's ambassador to Washington fling himself admitted it but the department says the interview was conducted with no legitimate investigative basis the case against Flynn was a rallying cry for president trump and his backers in bashing the FBI's Russia probe the reversal comes as Attorney General William Barr increasingly challenges the Russia investigation which could add to democratic concerns that bars excessively loyal to the president Sager met Ghani Washington

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AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

AP News Radio

00:50 sec | 3 months ago

AP Exclusive: Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case

"The APS learn the justice department is dropping the criminal case against president trump's first national security adviser it's a stunning reversal for one of special counsel Robert Muller signature cases prosecutors have maintained for three years that Michael Flynn lied to the FBI during the twenty seventeen interview about his talks with Russia's ambassador to Washington fling himself admitted it but the department says the interview was conducted with no legitimate investigative basis the case against Flynn was a rallying cry for president trump and his backers in bashing the FBI's Russia probe the reversal comes as Attorney General William Barr increasingly challenges the Russia investigation which could add to democratic concerns that bars excessively loyal to the president Sager met Ghani Washington

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"robert muller" Discussed on WCBS Newsradio 880

WCBS Newsradio 880

02:04 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WCBS Newsradio 880

"Europe Paris at an all time record of a hundred five degrees meanwhile it's almost a hundred seven in northern Germany at twelve forty six the Robert Muller testimony before two congressional committees is now over with Republicans and Democrats viewing the outcome of the two hearings to quite different lenses CBS White House correspondent Stephen Portnoy joined Wayne this morning for a recap well look Democrats told us they told us that what they wanted to have happen yesterday was for Robert Muller to bring his report to life they compared it to the movie version of his book well the reviews of the movie aren't great in the you know even Democrats are using words like whole thing to describe how Robert Muller performed yesterday and the president said that Muller's presentation was way off the president says the Democrats are now in shambles are there a mass as a result of this and there are big questions that were Democrats are grappling with this to where they're going to go from here yeah I see the drudge headline was dazed and confused and there were rumblings on actually does that maybe Robert Muller isn't as sharp as it once was well Robert Muller is two weeks away from his seventy fifth birthday he is is not as spry as he was when he served as FBI director when he made more than eighty appearances before Congress the differences is clear but they look Democrats are also pointing out that Robert Miller did a firm what he put in his report and that is that add that there are elements of possible obstruction of justice Republicans pointed out that Muller didn't reach a conclusion or even make a decision in that regard and the true really try to poke holes in under mine the fact that Muller produced a report in the first place in fact one a congressman from there on the right they said that that Muller violated not only the regulations for a special counsel but also the principles of prosecutors by making comments about someone he didn't charge as CBS correspondent Stephen port.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WSB-AM

WSB-AM

05:42 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WSB-AM

"Special Robert Muller testifies before Congress once again from that ABC news headquarters here is correspondent Robert Muller was a reluctant witness and at times a confounding one he said he did not exonerate the president but he declined to even utter the word Democrats were waiting to hear impeachment I don't think anything that Muller said shed much light on the impeachment question and that's partly because he didn't get many questions about impeachment so the part of the report on obstruction of justice really declines to draw any conclusions about whether the president committed obstruction of justice offenses right it basically says in light of longstanding DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president we are declining essentially to make any kind of render any kind of judgment about whether whether the president obstructed justice instead we'll simply describe in real detailed these ten separate incidents that seem to have some of the hallmarks of obstruction of justice and you know you have to read them carefully in some it really does seem like the report is saying yeah this is probably a structure of justice some less so so I think a lot of people when you read the reports are said okay is what Mahler's doing here essentially passing the Buck to Congress of the Congress can decide but he didn't really get any questions about that there were these high crimes and misdemeanors I mean and I'm sure he would not have answered that question but it's like a little bit take the okay what are those other constitutional processes in there's a footnote that site the constitutional provisions on impeachment he's talking about impeachment he doesn't say the word and in the hearing he wouldn't say the word either there was also this rather lengthy back and forth about exoneration you wrote a hundred eighty pages a hundred eighty pages about decisions that weren't reach about potential crimes that won't charge your decided and respectfully respectfully by doing that you manage to violate every principle and the most sacred of traditions about prosecutors not offering extra prosecutorial analysis about potential crimes that are charged he says in the press conference in may and he said again during the hearing on that the report does not exonerate the president and so he was really pressed on that well we're just the power to exonerate at all come from and so you know the suggestion being your prosecutor you don't have the power to exonerate anyone so to claim you haven't exonerated the president is essentially to sort of power that you don't have in the first place right said that I think was the charging had to answer you know I I'm not sure he really effectively answered it but I think the real answer is it's true prosecutors don't go around announcing that they have exonerated people very often but here he was in a pretty unique situation which is that he had a very limited set of options available to him right he could find that the president engaged in no wrongdoing but he was precluded by the DOJ policy against indicting sitting president from definitively announcing the president had engaged in criminal wrongdoing on and so in order to avoid the public and maybe Congress drawing the conclusion that there had been no misconduct here at all he just clarified that the non indictment decision wasn't announcement of innocence so we called it you know this was isn't an exoneration I'm actually not sure it matters that much what word he chose because I think it's the idea he was trying to communicate wise this is unusual you don't hear a lot of announcements exoneration because most the time prosecutors have the option to indict and if they don't it's for good reason you know there just isn't evidence to indict in here there's a there's no indictment but it may well be you know not because there isn't evidence but because there's a policy in place that precludes so are we just left with all of that now and it goes into the ether or is there anything perhaps actionable that comes out of this also one thing that came up a couple of times during the hearing was the possibility of the president facing some kind of legal consequences after leaving office could you charge the president with a prime after he left office yes you believe that he committed you could charge the present nine states with obstruction of justice after he left office yes right because the DOD policy against indicting sitting president is only in for so long as the present is a sitting president right there's no immunity for life there's just immunity for the duration of a presidency a tantalizing prospect maybe for for Democrats but we're not sure any prosecutor it certainly will be Robert Muller is going to have an indictment waiting to hand to president trump whenever he leaves office there with our legal contributor here at ABC news Kate Shaw and I I want you to hear how Mahler danced around the the question then of impeachment if not an indictment Veronica Escobar the Congress on the democratic Congress woman asked him about impeachment director Miller at your may twenty nine twenty nineteen press conference you explained that quote the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse the sitting president of wrongdoing end quote that process other than the criminal justice system for accusing a president of wrongdoing is that impeachment I'm not gonna have a comment on that in your report you also wrote that you did not want to quote potentially preamps constitutional process sees for addressing presidential misconduct and quote for the non lawyers in the room what did you mean by quote potentially preempt constitutional processes I'm not gonna try to explain them Robert Muller before Congress earlier today and we will get some final.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WJR 760

WJR 760

04:15 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WJR 760

"You Robert Muller will have a long time associate appear alongside him to help him when he testified to Congress Democrats on two committees will question baller about his investigation Democrats want evidence of wrongdoing by president trump to come out of the hearings but trump is not the only target listen to congressman Adam Schiff chairman of the house intelligence committee talking about the remaining open investigations against trump and some of his associates we are determined to ride shotgun to the best that we are able to find out if there is any improper political influence over any of these other cases and at the end of the day to find out whether there was any proper role of bill Barr Matt Whitaker or anything else in any of the key points in the main investigation you will hear all of the testimony live here on WJR the hearing is open at eight thirty our time Democrats are trying to get a hold of president trump's tax returns through the state of New York correspondent Steve past involves says the president has gone to court to try to stop that the president is suing to stop the house from seeing his New York state tax returns a few weeks ago a law was enacted here that requires agencies to hand over the tax returns of a president vice president and other people holding some elected offices if Congress asks for them as part of an investigation presuming they lived in New York and filed taxes here the president's lawyers say it's a thinly veiled attempt to get information about president trump's personal finances in order to publicly embarrass him they're suing the house ways and means committee in addition to new York's Attorney General and other state officials Steve casting about New York a nonprofit that operates a new U. S. government holding facility for illegal migrant youths says the last teenagers detain there will leave by the end of the week here's reporter click metal executives with the San Antonio nonprofit BC FSA the facility in core resource springs Texas should be empty by Thursday it was opened by the US department of health and Human Services just a month ago but officials say it's opening came just as border crossing started to fall and processing sped up releasing children quicker the facility set on the side of a formal oilfield campaign was meant to taking children detained by border patrol but now the core resource spring site is closing down the head of the CFS told vice news it was too much too late Clayton level Dallas in the face of much high profile coverage in the national news media we've told you that the victims compensation fund for nine eleven first responders would pass easily well it has the Senate gave final legislative approval they'll is passed the bill but the nine eleven victim compensation fund through twenty ninety helping individuals who were injured during the to the and one attacks and its aftermath rescuing people and removing debris under hazardous conditions the house passed a bill earlier this month and president Donald Trump is expected to sign it in Washington on Camilla Burnell reporting did Neil Armstrong die in twenty twelve because of medical errors by doctors the family of Neil Armstrong received a six million dollar settlement from the hospital where he died in Ohio according to a probate court file here's more legendary astronaut Neil Armstrong died in Cincinnati seven years ago in what was attributed to complications from coronary bypass surgery but according to The New York Times Armstrong sons later threatened to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Fairfield hospital and hired a heart expert to review the medical records the expert concluded not only that the hospital made fatal mistakes but also that the surgery was probably a necessary in the first place DD you says about twenty thousand homes and businesses are still without power in southeast Michigan four Clio Michigan teenagers may be sentenced as adults in their guilty pleas to throwing rocks from on I seventy five over past north of flint a six pound rock went through a windshield and killed a man the four teens were between fifteen and seventeen when the incident occurred a Detroit man was shot and wounded by a gas station clerk overnight who was shooting at another man for stealing potato chips the clerk in the chip the four arrested.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WBT Charlotte News Talk

WBT Charlotte News Talk

02:11 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WBT Charlotte News Talk

"So back to Robert Muller. The one thing the Miller said the cut in favor of the Trump administration is he basically suggested the Bill bar, the turning general was not trying to hide anything. Here's his explanation of this conducted an independent criminal investigation, and reported the results to the attorney general as required by department regulations. The attorney general then concluded done. It was appropriate to provide our report to congress and to the American people. At one point in time. I requested that certain portions of the report be released the attorney general prepare preferred make preferred to make the entire report public, all at once and we appreciate that. The attorney general made the report largely public and I truly question the attorney general's good faith in that decision. Okay. So there he is under cutting the democratic line that Bill bar has been lying to them consistently the attorney general of the United States in the line consistently. Now, the media are not letting go the idea that Bill bar lied. So they've been playing on a loop these sort of contradictions between Robert Muller statements and William bars statements before congress. Is there a couple of contrast between the statements that we have to analyze to see who's lying, who's telling the truth, or if there's really any conflict to begin with I'll point out that the supposed conflicts were cleared up quasi in a way by Kerry, Kubeck spokeswoman for the department Justice and Peter car. The spokesman for the special counsel's office, they released a joint statement right after Muller. Her statement, they said quote, the attorney general has previously stated that the special counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the opinion he would have found the president's obstructed Justice. The special counsel's report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded would not reach your determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. There's no conflict between these statements. I pointed this out our Nelson that when Muller said that the DOJ regulations prohibited from reaching him prohibited him from reaching a conclusion, that's not actually contradict the statement made by bar that Muller said that even in the absence of the ruling. He might not have prosecuted. The president. There is no conflict between those two points. Coming up, we'll talk some more about these supposed conflicts between what Robert Muller had to say. William.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WCBS Newsradio 880

WCBS Newsradio 880

01:54 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WCBS Newsradio 880

"Robert Muller today said his investigation could not clear, President Trump wrongdoing, and they knew all along anyway, they couldn't bring charges a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charges kept under seal and hidden from public view. His report speaks for itself, but that's not enough for Mark Warner. The ranking democrat on the Senate intelligence committee from a sake. Of the American people that Bob Maher whatever settings appropriate answer, Congress's questions Aurora is one of the democratic presidential candidates, Colin foreign peach proceeding now or lose our democracy forever. That is the choice before us into tweet tonight. President Trump said the crime was committed by Democrats CBS news update. I'm Pam Coulter. As far as local reaction in the first place. Congressman Republican Peter King says people criticize Donald Trump for a million different things. The king says the president never colluded with the Russians king supports, Robert Muller Muller says he will not speak any further about his investigation to end it. I think his point of not trying to make a public spectacle is right. And so, basically this was to me unwarranted investigation to begin with and to the key finding is that there was no collusion whatsoever. It is response to molar statements that minority leader democrat, Chuck Schumer mistaken. Early referred to Russian interference as Russian collusion, three times all within sixty seconds span, so they can prevent collusion sorry, so they can prevent interference Schumer did not comment on the issue of obstruction were whether impeachment proceedings were warranted. Instead, the Democrat's leader in the Senate says, more needs to be done to protect the American election system from outside interference. Mike's melts CBS News Radio eighty..

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"robert muller" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

02:47 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"With Robert Muller, which means this investigation is still going on. Man. This is a very very strange development. And by the way, two things can happen at the same time. It could have been an ambush on Flynn. And. Flynn is guilty of certain things there. Those two things can happen at the same time. Everybody telling their story to have their story told the other one is the first step act. So this got through the Senate in a very very large way yesterday. The first step act is about criminal Justice reform. It's been a contentious issue. Just an understanding what's in the legislation, and I was fine with waiting. I was fine with with coming back to had no doubt that the Senate would eighty seven to twelve when's the last time you saw any level of vote like that. It's it's about giving. Judges more discretion when sentencing drug offenders boost prisoner rehabilitation efforts reduces life sentences for some drug offenders changes a little bit of that three strikes concept applies to federal prisoners. Now. I I know a good half of this. I'm not a fan of every provision conceptually. I'm a fan about the idea that how we handle prisons in America is incorrect. We can create a much better dynamic. It starts with with with two things. What do we really consider crime? And what do we want out of somebody who is engaged in the criminal act? Those are those questions, and once we start answering those questions, I think in a way that makes sense, which is well, we have things that we could send our major crimes minor crimes non crimes. And then of course, we want people who committed a criminal act in many cases, where it's not about murdering somebody. We want them to be able to come back to a society that where they can actually participate as opposed to be on the outside looking in. Well, how do you do that? So hopefully, this is the start of many more of those conversations and more of those changes. So the first step back now going back to the house because it had some changes in the Senate has to be agreed to their then hopefully to the president's desk and signed before the year is out. We will get into all of that more about Michael Flynn and what's going on with the bridges. I got that story as well. I'm Tony cats. Good morning to you. And if you're flying out of Indianapolis international airport fast park is where you parked parked there. Every single time it's faster than if you park at.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

WMAL 630AM

01:42 min | 1 year ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

"It's up to him. Robert muller. What a stupid question. Stupid question. A lot you ask a lot of stupid Christ. Is Trump obviously has about had it with with the questions. He's getting from the press that is not the same thing, by the way as him being a person cracking down on the first amendment all were in the throes of fascism or something is not that stupid question. Honestly, like people are wondering whether attorney general acting attorney general Matt Whitaker is going to crack down on Muller. I don't think he is. There's no evidence that he has with that sad. That's the actual consequence of firing Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia probe where Whitaker will not. And then it gets even better President Trump goes after April Ryan, so he's talking about Jim Acosta from CNN he decides that he didn't go after April Ryan as well. Again, April Ryan deserves to be blasted by President Trump. The problem is whenever you speak. I mean, I I do this on regular basis. Right. I speak publicly. I'm on the radio. I'm on Twitter. I write for a variety of websites and outlets. You have to consider your audience when President Trump does this stuff is his audience. The press is his audience. Sources audience those people in suburbia if the president directed his mind toward the people in suburbia, what do I need to do to win those people over I think that he'd be a lot more effective than directing his mind toward the people. He is talking to right in front of him talking to his base talking to any other people the only people in America who matter politically right now, it's everybody else's locked into their position. The only people who matter politically right now are those folks in suburbia. The question is does this stuff. Help or hurt for President Trump's here's president from going after April. Ryan the.

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"robert muller" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM

Progressive Talk 1350 AM

01:58 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM

"Robert muller he is a straight laced and straight shooting guy as can be he's a military guy and his bearing is just you know no sense of humor just straight ahead and work with the facts live with the truth and all that that tells me and i think i can make a reasonable inference from that that robert mueller is going to respect or at least there's reason this good basis to believe that robert mueller will respect the two memos that are sitting in the department of justice vault saying you cannot invite a sitting president criminally if robert muller is the strait laced guy and and the follow the rules kind of guy then he's probably more likely to go along with the majority view and there's an additional hint he said he's going to start writing reports and you know if you're writing reports you not indicting so when i heard that he was going to be writing reports one receivers of reports starting with obstruction of justice sean i confess i got disappointed because it sounded to me that the special counsel is now agreeing with those memos one from the richard nixon era one from the bill clinton era saying you candidate sitting president and so number one is is muller is duty bound i think he's probably going to feel dutybound do it the second thing is is it if i were in robert muller shoes and i put myself in his eyes i would there's a second consideration that would make me extremely hesitant to indict donald trump and that is if i do it to him one day there's going to be a democratic president that the republicans hate intensely and they're going to find a prosecutor somewhere who will concoct some charges or or go along with some kind of charges and they'll start indicting a sitting president criminally for political purpose and i'm not sure robert muller wants to be the person who who breaches that wall specially with those two two opinions air and.

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"robert muller" Discussed on KSFO-AM

KSFO-AM

01:58 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on KSFO-AM

"They have that information for five previous weeks and they knew that it was going to be leaked because that came from new york law enforcement officials so they knew that they had it and they knew that komi and others were sitting in makeba sitting on it and they knew that they probably were hoping that the election would come in the election would go and then at that information wouldn't be in the hands of of the american people when they got to vote i mean he's a really really troubling times that we have here in this country and let me just to begin to explain to you i wish in many ways that i had been wrong for the last year now the media is never ever going to in any way admit that trump russia collusion never occurred the media's just going to keep following what would ever wherever robert muller and rod rosenstein wanted it doesn't matter that we're now onto stormy daniels karen mcdougal and and everything else that has nothing to do with trump russia collusion it doesn't matter how far this investigation goes they just want to delegitimize and destroy the president any way they can and very cleverly in in a sinister way in my opinion you know bringing in the southern district of new york into this this whole thing well then that raises the issue of course of well if the if if somebody is not found in a federal case well they can get him on a state charge i mean the whole thing on so many levels is just wrong wrong and it all goes down to and begins with one family and one person and one secretary of state and one presidential candidate and is everything that the clintons have had their entire careers and you know they'll dismiss oh it's just another attack against it's not you know you can't put your your top secret and your.

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"robert muller" Discussed on Inside the Hive with Nick Bilton

Inside the Hive with Nick Bilton

02:07 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on Inside the Hive with Nick Bilton

"A year from now well it depends on what happens with robert muller's investigation and okay so do you what do you think it's going to happen i'm asking you to look into your emily box crystal ball i who can predict what bob mahler's gonna do have you seen no one's been able to see any of what he's done coming in so it's very hard for me to predict that let's let's just take the mahler stuff off the table let's say robert muller's still working away in a year from now i believe they will be back in new york i think that they could be working on the twenty twenty reelection campaign i think of on could play some sort of diplomatic type kind of continuing some of the global outreach that she has fallen into in the white house but again it could be very different if bob mueller is not still at work in a year from now and you think that do you think that jared is going to fall as a result of the investigation he's going to kind of you don't know i don't know i feel like it's going to season two that's season season twenty speaking of seasons have you watched roseanne the new roseanne have not watched the new roseanne i hate to to you but i've i feel like i now know everything i need to know about it because it's gotten such breathless coverage thanks to our president and his phone call to roseanne it's funny because he's he loves it i mean i did watch it and and those things i will say one is i do think it is very clever i think that we live in a world where we are so divided and i do blame the media for a lot of this as blame me to every morning i wake up i look in the mirror and i say nick you are a piece of shit what are you doing to the world and you know how many people say the same thing every day when they up so you're a good they say nick what are you.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WTMA

WTMA

01:58 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WTMA

"On this is you know the house democrats vowed to continue the intelligence committee russia probe and here's what he had to say which you know you and i of course have dissect it and and did while we were both i don't know if you've got it but when i when i was getting coffee route with the kids in the kitchen with me during the break and we dissect it very very quickly and we're gonna play this year because this is adam schiff talking about the the russian probe and robert muller and i'm just gonna play it area we've learned a great deal about secret meetings the trump campaign have with the russians we've learned a great deal about the russians use of social media and we we have been able to obtain a lot of very important information for the country which you'll see when these transcripts come out because at least some of the members the democratic members have been very serious about this and the other reason chris is we can't simply rely on bob muller ooh wait where's this going all right let's continue this this piqued are interested not all right here we go because his job is different than ours his job is determined who broke the law and who should be prosecuted and who should go to jail it's not his job to tell the country what happened and outside of an indictment he may not be able to speak that's what the congress is supposed to do so there's no substitute for congress doing its job right let's dissect it right if robert muller does not come up with an indictment what does that mean that means that he found that no laws were broken right the other point here where he talks about that we need to tell a story you can tell a story now anything that any accusation that you have against the trump campaign from what i know is not top secret in any way.

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"robert muller" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

01:53 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"The business of putin and the kremlin if i'm sure the nsa and others can can pinpoint that but these sanctions that were announced yesterday were targeted towards the thirteen russian nationals and free organizations already indicted in robert muller's investigation and so you've got their attempt to and that's been ongoing as we've stated meddling in our elections you have them now going around poisoning people using chemical weapons like nerve agents and now of course as you have rightly pointed out this very serious attempt to hack and infiltrate our energy grid including our nuclear power plants that is and should be perceived as an act of war so who knows what the next shoe to drop is going to be here with besides these sanctions that were announced yesterday that's the question we asked this morning do these sanctions go far enough or do we need to go even further and smacking putin around a little bit here for what he has been doing one of those could be a world cup boycott we'll talk about that in just a second fourteen time for wcbs traffic and weather first with the update here is the king of all traffic chuck body whitaker marshawn doctor and everybody a couple of things from overnight big wreck in washington county route forty is closed right off the interchange at i seventy s right now looks like a move traffic on to i seventy in washington county so watch for that if you're traveling early into the county there was wreck overnight the vehicle hit a pedestrian southbound ritchie highway at early high road and according to the authorities that investigation is still underway so there may be some local detour there possibly sharing some of the northbound traffic but on the lookout for that with a number of flashing lights but everything else looks good the beltway off to a good start required on the j f x we've already made the checks on the bw parkway with the lanes open amer clear through an apples on fifty coming off the.

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"robert muller" Discussed on KKAT

KKAT

02:49 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on KKAT

"The first time about events shrouded in secrecy and a review of government documents court records let me stop here two thousand eight ladies and gentlemen who was the director of the fbi anybody who is the director of fbi mr producer robert muller robert muller was the director of the fbi just so you know one project cassandra leaders sought approval for some significant investigations prosecutions arrests and financial sanctions officials at the justice and treasury departments delayed hindered or rejected their request the justice department decline requests by project cassandra and other authorities to file criminal charges against major players such as hezbollah's high profile on void to iran a lebanese bank that allegedly laundered billions and alleged drug profits and a central player in a us based cell of iranian parlor paramilitary cuts force in the state department rejected requests to lower highvalue targets the countries where they could be arrested that's carry holder obama that's hillary obama let's loretta lynch that's robert muller mr special counts they role in charge of law enforcement at the time in the state barn canada's power this was a policy decision it was a systematic decision to david asher who helped establish an oversee project cassandra as a defense department illicit finance analyst they serially ripped apart this entire effort that was very wellsupported and resource than was done from the top down from the top down the untold story project cassandra illustrates the immense difficulty and mapping encountering illicit now works in an age where a global terrorism drug trafficking and organized crime have merge but also the extent to which competing agendas among government agencies and shifting priorities at the highest levels can set back years of progress and while a pursuit may be sharon in secrecy from latin america luxury hotels the car parks in africa two banks and battlefields of the middle east the impact is not in this case multi tonneloads of cocaine entering the united states and hundreds of millions of dollars go into a usdesignated terrorist organization with vast reach obama new that hundreds of millions of dollars.

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"robert muller" Discussed on P&L With Pimm Fox and Lisa Abramowicz

P&L With Pimm Fox and Lisa Abramowicz

02:07 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on P&L With Pimm Fox and Lisa Abramowicz

"Case he's going to be backed up by so many other people by evidence by papers and this isn't the end muller has not stopping year so and people you know there are there are cases where there are murderers i can think of you know the the mob cases where people get on the stand and they admitted to killing people you think of of some of the famous mop cases and everyone's as we'll who's going to believe a cooperare he's he's making a deal but the jury's belief cooperators every day of the week in court houses across the country june or were speaking earlier with a mortar shankar bloomberg achieve content officer and one of the things you brought up is that robert muller and the investigators and the fbi they have for perhaps wiretaps they have a variety of interviews with people that we don't know about so is that a pass is is way the cases built is that in the example of michael flynn you present him with evidence that he may not know that you have the way the fbi often operates and in this instance it looks like that's what happened because he lied to them the fbi when they interview these people has information and they ask them questions about it and what they withhold some information they don't they don't give it all at once and then they bring them back and there's a process of going back and forth it couldn't go in different ways in this case it may have been with his lawyer where they started to negotiate and say look we have this and here's what can you give us it seems to me as if flynn is giving them a lot because remember it's not just these charges there they're also have a of investigations of his his dealings with turkey his failure to makes make statements about being a foreigner advisor they have all that and none of that is here and neither is his son remember we've talked before about how his son was under investigation and how that my.

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"robert muller" Discussed on KBNP AM 1410

KBNP AM 1410

02:27 min | 2 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on KBNP AM 1410

"Know what juries believe cooperators almost every single time it's not just his word he's cubic muller isn't it is really building such a strong case he's going to be backed up by so many other people by evidence by papers and this isn't the end muller as not stopping here so and people you know there there are cases where there are murderers i can think of that mob cases where people get on the stand and they admitted to killing people you think of some of the famous mock cases and everyone says well who's going to believe a cooperator he's he's making a deal but the jury's believe cooperators every day of the week in court houses across the country june we're speaking earlier with a marta shankar bloomberg achieve content officer one of the things he brought up his that robert muller and the investigators and the fbi they have perhaps wiretaps they have variety of interviews with people that we don't know about so is that a positive is is away the cases built is that in the example of michael flynn you present him with evidence that he may not know that you have the way the fbi often operates and in this instance it looks like that's what happened because he lied to them the fbi when they interview these people has information and they ask them questions about it but they withhold some information they don't they don't give it all at once and then they bring them back and there's a process of going back and forth it couldn't go in different ways in this case it may have been with his lawyer where they started to negotiate and say look we have this and here's what can you give us it seems to me as if flynn is giving them a lot because remember it's not just these charges there they're also have a of investigations of his his dealings with turkey his failure to makes make statements about a being of foreign advisor they have all that and none of that is here and neither is his son remember we've talked before about how his son was under investigation at how that might be the real button that would push him to cooperate so here's something that i'm trying to understand how long was michael flynn cooperating with the muller investigation i know we don't know exactly but uh the.

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"robert muller" Discussed on KKOB 770 AM

KKOB 770 AM

02:45 min | 3 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on KKOB 770 AM

"I point out that it's impossible to get away from the fanaticism of the left and the united states from award shows too late night tv two movies about julia child to uh you name it restaurant storefronts they the fanaticism the the violence in the streets the constant never ending mentions and so on well we are currently in the midst of the jewish holiday of russia shawna it's the jewish new year and it goes on for a couple of days we're in the midst of this now and a friend of mine who is not a liberal went to synagogue today in washington d c and they went around the room which should do when it's russia on and you uh they went around the room the rabbi it's very liberal synagogue in washington dc when around the room saying people offer what you're thankful for tell us what your thankful for and people said you know for my good health from i for my son recovering from a code a little this and a little that and someone said for robert muller for robert muller said for the special prosecutor this is the jewish new year thinking of your relatives our ancestors your and and you're and synagogue what are you thankful for robert muller the special prosecutor and the rabbi said well yes i'm glad you said it so i didn't have to say it from here and the congregation went wild we're thankful for robert muller prosecutor now brock obama's the most anti israel president we've had since jimmy carter the democrats and the left are anti israel up the yangyang and the liberals because it's rock paper scissors are you jewish first or liberal first it's liberal at this congregation certainly thankful for muller news radio kkob has partnered with the feet of medical group mexico and.

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"robert muller" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

The Ben Shapiro Show

01:34 min | 3 years ago

"robert muller" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

"Bottom line kellyanne yes it was the president committed to not firing robert muller the president has not even discuss fat that the president is not discussing firing botmilar confining in cooperating with he he's not even discuss not fight he's not discuss firing botmilar has cobb what will hold on i'm not the president's lawyer here but i will tell you as is counsellor he's not discussing that okay so she refuses about eight times in their clips did mobile be thirds what we have here is a situation where there is obviously a witchhunt going on from the left with regard to president trump i don't know that moeller is engaged in that witchhunt yet i think that it's a little much to say the muller's obviously out to get the president at this point i don't know on the base of grand jury it it will have to see on base of the indictment if there's some indictment brought will have to look at the material and the incitement and determine whether this within the scope of the investigation or whether it was actually just a reach by muller i can't prejudge the product that i haven't seen they some rumors that are coming out that are unsubstantiated on this side but what you have on the right is jump to muller's bad that'd be fire jump on left two muller is going to take out trump and then once he takes out trump and we're going to have to take out mike pence that's what maxine waters this nutjob most corrupt woman in congress now she says that once we finish with trump now we have to step up and go after mike pence to or going up for everybody not remember remember what they are hoping what the democrats are hoping that they win that congress in 2018 and then they moved to impeach trump and impeach pence okay because how does the line of succession go gang.

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