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158. Poo on the Prime Minister (w/ Leah Bonnema, Lindsey Boylan)

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158. Poo on the Prime Minister (w/ Leah Bonnema, Lindsey Boylan)

"They that Asian episode what fifty eight my phone is off. I just took a bunch of shots that I enjoy snatched shot. Yes not shocked to see my badge no snapshots from my favorite make ridiculous quotes fires from the Oh. Hello hello this is make the nation where we talk about news. We talk about politics where we simply ask. Can you please share the citation. I'm your host thinking persad and I am the opposite of I cannot speak to that. I'm here I could speak to everything you guys outside outside of the four corners of this fucking report by the way. How many times did people say four corners of the report shut up everybody? I hate all of you but you're also the best so that means today. We're GONNA talk about Muller's colors long-awaited testimony. We'll also talk about bores Johnson and look at the new sobriety today. Oh my God with this panel you so exciting the Spanish we have. We never done this before a feel like an Harry's looking at me like I don't know what question you're about to ask. I feel like we have never had a person person in this particular situation on the show before I know what is she about to say. I know you're a you're either in one of the steel long or whatever or <hes> you're writing running for Congress. Okay you guys. I know option number two. I'm so excited about this panel today because we have with US running for the tenth Congressional district in New York. She's primary challenging Orange Jerrold Nadler. She's ever so delightful you guys. It's Lindsey Boylan Halen's longtime noce. Oh my God I was on a U._C._B.. Show with Lindsay where she was a quite a astute panelist list and was charmed by her then and then it ended in the yet and it's over and this is going to be very contentious but also joining running the show. You guys know her. You love her. She is just a long time veteran of fake the Nacional you guys she's on a future episode of Chris. Catholic present Chris gathered presents. I put my ass in the wrong places. She's unofficial episode Chris Gather presents which is Chris gathered to new multi-platform crazy thing that you should subscribe to on the in podcasts warm and we should watch on television former you will find Liba Obama highly again. <hes> you guys ready. Should we just get into okay. You guys let us begin with topic the number one. He searched for citations. He asked people to refer to the report. He wanted speculate. He would be terrible. podcast host eighty it was a carefully worded mild-mannered hell of ride of course I'm talking about the long-awaited Muller testimony so you guys on the scale of like where were you on the scale of that was garbage and I wanNA throw my panties at him. Like where were you on that scale <hes> <hes> of Muller's testimony it. Was You know uh so I I'm the politician here so I got into my Little Preamble Fleas Marine my dad's marine I I respect him so much. <hes> that was not a great day for for for the case which I'm on board with Ms Impeaching Donald Trump it was not a great day. It was not a right showing <hes> it was basically a recitation of information nation. That's already been talked about at Nauseam on TV for those few of us. Who've read it? We've seen the same information when you're running a team of what forty or so lawyers there's no way that you're going to have a command of that information I and basically the Republicans just use that to negate everything about about the whole Muller report. which is I think really unfortunate because at the very heart even if we don't get into obstruction of justice it has to do with with defending democracy in elections and shortly thereafter the Republicans voted down a few security related demo- democratic election related bills that would support <hes> defend us against everything they talked about it happened with the Russians in the first part of thing and it was just a it was not a good showing it wasn't necessary to have him come in? He already said he was going to say nothing different and <hes> we should have we should've started impeachment hearings sometime some time ago in my view that was funny but no that's what he back to you original question. I got stuck on it because I would never I just want to say I would never throw oh my panties at anyone because like eight good working panties just the right amount of new and worked out I have that's really been putting I'm nice. Eh done enough for good or bad reason. No I can pictures on area where you go to the dollar store or the what pennies on and you pick up some panties just for the throat so I'm not worn panties which I think is the point of reckoning continue but more and more to the point to the point that was very point. I just wanted to not wasting patio. Statement and democracy needed to democracy needs to know how much women are paying for panties because it's capitalism at its worst I would say I felt like we clearly. I actually felt like it was clearly he was like I'm GonNa Follow these rules about what I'm not allowed to say because that's what I do and Shane. There's no person in their who's like he doesn't do this other thing. Here's the person who is translating what he's saying. This is a big deal. He's saying that elections were tampered with <hes> but he is a particular person and I felt that he actually very clearly stated like Oh. Hey you know maybe maybe after he's president if he doesn't change it into a kingship <hes> we take him up on a few things which I felt like I'm like is everybody hearing this. I mean obviously but like this kind of a big deal. Yeah I think okay I was a a little I think Lindsey you're the least like positive about yesterday's testimony I I also felt like you know there are moments like when when he was he was asked so the President keeps saying that you know this totally exonerates them doesn't totally exonerate him and Muller was like No. I think those moments are really important. I think problem is so we got a couple of those really important moments. Also we got a moment where he said something like about the you know you know Donnie went on and on and on about how he loved wikileaks <hes> and and Muller was asked like what you think about that and he was like problematic is an understatement for what that was you know that that this kind of like interaction with Russians and getting dirt and wikileaks and all that stuff is essentially illegal goal and unpatriotic until he made those strong points right and I thought that was really good yet. He didn't give us the flashy performance. It's so funny because what I want is some a guy or Gal between James Komi and Robert Muller Robert Muller is like I'm sorry there are no substitute on this menu order. What's on the menu like so fucking annoying right and then James Comey Xiaomi is like Oh? There's like seventeen additional menus. Let's just talk about them. I don't know like in your like shh stop can't with all these so. There's a point in the middle of a regular person with a person with regular amounts of things to say I totally agree and everything you've said frustrating that we haven't met that person who I think I know I need to step into the arena the microphone frankly I think the person Jason who that is our our leaders in Congress like they should say oh. This is what you're telling us. You're telling us that you can't indict a sitting president that you can't go out the boundaries of this language and that it's now Congress's job opt to step in. I think that's the translation piece and I think the translation needs to be okay. Let's let's let's start impeachment hearings right into the moment that I wish in in the maybe at edit and listen to all of them. I listen to like a large about the moment I wish had maybe in. Maybe this happened but I don't think he did was something was that where they say. Hey did you anticipate we would do more as Congress and then he would have. I've been like yeah or very good question yet right. Yeah we supposed to take this information and do something with it or you just like using your printer testing busy the accuracy of that laser print to be fair. I don't think he would've said it either because he is this. You know he's as thing and this isn't a an indictment of him like this is he's got this queries not trying to be politicized. He talked about never asking people what their political views us who worked for him. Yeah that was a moment because the Republicans so the revived intact to discredit him. Oh yeah which I think is terrible terrible. Did you think they came off in general yesterday. I thought it you know well well. I mean I'm a I have a particular view going into it <hes> in season Democrat Democrat <hes> but I think the fact that they spent their time trying to discredit a of of Vietnam War veteran who's devoted his life to public service who by the way happens to be a republican just like it not that it matters right <hes> trying to make him appear as if he's partisan a partisan hack who doesn't know his job <hes> and it's not even focus at all at all even really at least in judiciary hearing about on sort of Russia's Russia's hacking at all or anything really negating the instances of obstruction of justice. They really said that well you quoted The New York Times and the Washington Post and Fox News only two times. You know I'm paraphrasing here but I thought it was <hes> really unfortunate for democracy that the Republicans chose to discredit credit an American hero who has so clearly if he's if he's guilty of anything it's being completely non partisan and just being like so rules -i Leah did you what did you think of that tactic of trying to discredit him because they really went in on the guy with his having an affair with the woman in text messages. I mean I feel like this is their major skill set. You know what I mean like. They're like magicians at their best. You know what I mean. Look over here. So this whole thing is happening and we're going to focus on something. That's essentially irrelevant. You know what I mean and the become very good at it and I think they've shown that the a lot of the American public will be go along with it and you know it's not surprising at this point and <hes> you would think that any person Republican or Democrat would be like even if they were a trump supporter would be like oh hey it is unpatriotic patriotic that was such an important word to use 'cause they throw it around so much <hes> that we would have Russians meddling in our election which is now a fact that that's not up for grabs at this point and anybody should be upset about that should wanna be like let's look into that the idea that they weren't like Oh we should look into that and even if they wanted to distance trump from it you wouldn't this is a big deal and you're talking about a text message that you know there was not only I haven't often follow this up but there was a bill I think on the floor about making accepting <hes> dirt from foreign governments like a crime accepting help from foreign government your campaign a crime or something and I don't know what happened to that but at the time it was like still controversial crime have to say off as well but the relevance here is that because our present president has not been held accountable now he he again is going back to invite foreign governments to interfere in our elections like he's he's made these overtures whether how serious he is or not he said it and not even the people that his own party aren't speaking out against it. It's it's just a I guess we need a bill to say that even though it's already true right yeah so. Do you think this will matter at all. I Guess S.. Does the testimony do anything anymore. You know what I mean. I I honestly every day shocked that it doesn't matter anymore. You know what I mean so I would like to be like yeah I feel like a person who is <hes> follows these rules and very pragmatic and I think is clearly not hedging towards the Democrats even though the republic acting wildly like he has said these things and it seems like you're like Oh these are non emotional real `isms and we should follow up on that because it's a really big deal in a threat to our democracy that seems clear but then also this seemed clear like a year ago so I don't even know anymore yeah I don't I don't even if we honestly had a monarch in three months and people are like we're you shocked. I'd be like I don't think so. I guess we all saw this come. I guess I was I mean if if impeachment is not going to to happen in in if it's politically ya not sound idea. I do think that the Russian meddling should be made more fuss of <hes> An. It should an because those people I mean the kind of Obama trump voters. I think we're probably anti Russian during the Cold War whatever like thinking get riled up by some anti Russian don meddle in our election sentiment yeah. I feel like that should be the drum or bank should be a big Ravi more get it out. There and I also WanNa say it's possible that we are drum banging that drum and then the media's not covering covering say this every it's absolutely possible. It's certainly unclear what it is that the media will cover the amine be. That's actually a part of the discourse because how many other things were going on you know in Congress so many in a previous episode we listed like four different bills they were trying to bring about election meddling and insecure in the elections and nothing has happened in in the media doesn't cover for those bills so there we can't even get public opinion <hes> pub to pressure <hes> Republican congressman to do anything about it will as I just having been a few months into this race. The things that get covered are things that <hes> <hes> you know are already. Snowballs is <hes> is Jerry Nadler the next Joe Crowley. You know it's <hes> does it connect to something that has gotten pressed before so I totally agree. I mean the one thing that I don't know how much it's been talked about but having read the Muller report if you look at volume one you know there's sort of two large ways that <hes> Russians interfered with the government they are with our election. They <hes> you know basically hacked and leaked information related related to the Clinton campaign and the D._N._C. and then they put in tons of bots to act as if they were supporters of the trump campaign so they were clearly doing these two large things hacking and and plants of people that were reporting and then Muller doesn't make the association that it was a criminal intent but Russia absolutely did infiltrate <hes> voters basically through these boss and and and campaign officials deals with unwittingly is sort of how it's painted and I think there are two problems that that creates for Republicans wanting to talk about election security one. Is You sort of have to say yeah. We were duped duped into that feel real good to say there's there's if you believe this happened. Then you believe that the Ju- hard and then secondly I think just as important as people are afraid to go against anything. Donald on trump says now I mean he after his as I understand it after his obviously openly racist diatribe against four congresswomen he became more popular and the Republicans ends error the G._O._p.. Members are sitting there and they're saying okay. I guess we'll just go along with this because people like him and that is <hes>. I don't know what to say about that. Yeah I do think that people are very afraid. That's such a good point in a way around that as you're saying would be if I was a Republican and and I would be like hey you know we don't have to make this. It's about trump air quoting people who don't can't see us and I to care about American democracy and I would like to look into the Russian meddling and I'm not saying anything about trump whatsoever but I do think it's important that that's not allowed to happen because we care about democracy yeah yeah we focus on that. I see what happens. I mean well. He like obviously Donny's vindictive person and I think any mention that we need to look into a meddling makes him feel like you're questioning his legitimacy so that's the an end and then stepping out of the bounds at all with him means you know a disgraceful tweet or whatever bad add nickname the nickname but I'm like why do you that such A. I think you're giving your voter. Some credit didn't mean give your voter some fucking credit like if you're a good member of Congress at actually fight each for your district Republican or Democrat doesn't matter your voters should be able to see through a stupid tweet in a dumb nickname like I I think this fear is is a little bit much yeah and Justice Mashes Justin Amash his head. You know pretty good reception <hes> coming out and saying I don't agree with this and I'm for impeachment and he's a Republican <hes> well. He's moving away from them yeah party but to your point yeah I think people you owe its people to be honest as you can and to give him the benefit of the doubt but they can get that and you can quote unquote talk straight with them. Yeah wouldn't that be wouldn't be way to go to weird anyways anyways all right. We're GONNA move on. Actually we're GONNA take a quick break. We're GONNA learn about our sponsors. We love here and then when we come back we'll talk about Boers Transit. Take counteract lift looking for answers to some very stupid questions. You might know Qatar from the Chris Gathered Show U._C.. Be Or Marvelous Mazel but you definitely don't know him from the two thousand one H._B._O.. Mini series band of brothers. That's because the day before he was opposed to film his scenes. America's favorite person Tom Hanks fired him for having dead is nearly twenty years later connors on a quest to solve the mystery. 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What are you do so what are your first reactions to Boris Johnson you versus time I <hes> well? The last time I was here. We were it was born when trump went over to the U._K.. And stuff about Boris Johnson and we're like you're not supposed to middle in other people's and that was a lot I saw the news the other day I was like I was just looking down one of my notes and number two and I wrote fuck and Boris underneath a quote has a loose relationship with truce and principal totally unfamiliar with that concept these days ah time or something yeah it was in Noah's B._B._C.. Okay we got you and you know my first thought was I think my first thought after her being like a week we talked about this before it was that <hes> is this happening that it seems like you keep thinking oh it's going to prevail that were a group of people so in the United States and the U._k.. WHO WANT TO BE COMPASSIONATE and support people and fix things in a democratic way that thinks about everyone's needs and then you're like Oh? I guess it was wrong again right right right right right. I mean what's weird to about. Boris Johnson is that he was not ever like so ideologically on the leave side. You know he just sort of decided that it would be an interesting like panty ruffling this you know op ed piece or something and so he's and so he did it but he was also kind of. I'm just as easily on remain Naga shape shifter knowns politics yeah yeah and because he no he was a mayor of London <hes> which is a very liberal town and so to be a conservative in the mayor of London was really you you know interesting but of course like conservatives in in the U._k.. Or not as conservative as conservatives here they feel like healthcare right. He's passionately will stand up for the nationalized health system over there. He's also in favor of the Iran nuclear deal Paris accord on the Paris climate a corridor pro immigrant than many of the other folks in his party which is unusual so he's an so I think so all that stuff is unusual about him in May be promising although again because he doesn't seem to be he doesn't seem to be very principled has a problem with homophobia and all sorts of other things that he makes these comments but he I get I read he gave his speech well wasn't this morning for them but and he talked about ushering in a golden era for the U._k.. And you know you don't want to I'm not <hes> an expert and <hes> British British politics by any means at all but I am so worried guys years as a comedian has really trained me for this moment so we could talk exactly so you're GonNa get exactly ah the golden era and <hes> you know it sounds a lot like make America great again and <hes> yeah. It's really hard to deliver on that when you have to negotiate an exit from from the the E._U.. In in essence since within three months and <hes> they're on a lot of great options this is a little bit complicated and by all accounts <hes> the it's not likely to produce tremendous returns economically for for for the the U._k.. It's much more likely to it has a lot to do with people sense of identity which is a really complicated thing. I wouldn't want to step into you but <HES> I hope we're past talking about movements. I hope we're past this this moment in time where we have politicians promising golden eras and making countries great again or returning to something that didn't exist instead of dealing with the issues that are children are going to face your your daughter right yeah yeah <hes>. It just seems disingenuous to me. <hes> I don't WanNa <hes> Poo Poo on the the prime minister but I think it's Oh Pooh Pooh little you know it's a little scary I mean <hes> to hear those kinds of promises made because they're usually finally made on the backs of other people and we've seen that here in the United States and <hes> the only thing I'd say as he was born I research is smart. He was born in New York City. He citizenship. I did not know that <hes> he is dual he we still didn't he renounced it twenty fifteen. I believe it was like well. That's interesting so I guess there was you know He. He's a New Yorker to which I don't know I feel about that. I I think we'll the brexit thing is really interesting to me. Because first of all he was maybe supposed to be prime. Minister Theresa May became Prime Minister and then that whole thing fell apart for reasons that are just like <hes> strange <hes> but the situation now is that they basically have gotten to extensions to figure their shit out. They're not getting any more extensions the E._U.. As you've had enough you guys have to pay your credit card debt yeah exactly and so that's that and then the other thing is the was like we've been negotiating this withdrawal agreement for fucking ever and were done so that's no more renegotiation of the withdrawal be with you it's over and so now we have Borscht Johnson and what the people really want is a different withdrawal agreement or whatever but we're but that's not a possibility so the interesting thing is is that the thing thing that everyone wants kind of like not a possibility like no prime minister can give them what they want possible. I mean right. I mean in my limited understanding as the greatest expert on Brexit uh-huh might find that blank check somewhere in you know the platform. What is the Harry Potter Platform? I don't know I realize the week is Teri. It was on Harry Potter Reference Right here yeah so I mean do you think that like the people the U._k.. Or somehow expecting him to pull something out of a hat no people who care like this is while not that they voted for the party. I I don't know I I've watched all of my B._B._C. murder mysteries to do much research as I could on what the people of the U._k.. Believe but I can't imagine that anybody thinks that could happen in you know what I mean. It seems like a untenable I just so I think I mean I'm in a predict rate here. An fake the nation July twenty four says a nineteen year of our Lord that it's GonNa be a no deal brexit. I know yeah no deal brex there <hes> <hes> and then it'll be mayhem and and I love which is totally different than right now. I don't know what's GonNa Happen. He's going to do something where he's like l.. Let's do this other. You know what I mean like. What's GonNa but the thing Eh what seems like what is happening is a no deal brexit? He cosies up to the United States to have a bunch of you know favourable trade terms and then we become basically any in basically closes out all a lot of those trade relationships with the European Union completely shifts the balance of how all of that goes down. That's my because in when we started talking about this brexit garbage fucking years ago I remember your linked somewhere. Hey Yeah I mean I was just like they should just do another effort because everyone is super regretful about this. One of the things I read was that like the just between the Netherlands and the U._k.. Only the Netherlands in I'm totally making. Coming up this number but it was a very large number someone please look it up. It was something like there's like twenty four thousand points of trade nothing like that so they want to renegotiate that that's twenty four thousand pieces of paper Apor that need for each thing you know and that's what a single market got rid of all of that <hes> and so it's it's GonNa Be Bananas <hes> to have those multiple the agreements versus you know <hes> maybe just doing it with the United States and then being like we don't trade with other. I don't know I don't know again. I have no idea how these things were your thing. Is I think no one does that's the point the that Boris Johnson probably has some grand in to to take a quote from our moment three dimensional chests situation behind the scenes that he's just going to pull out of his briefcase. He was a single market guy when <music> when he was the mayor of London he was a single market fan so it's just he has no game here. I also think that again knowing nothing about the U._k.. Except for they say scans instead of scones which I may feel like makes them maniacs mouse you know bangers and Mash Right which is <hes> mushy losses the potatoes sausage yeah. That's what I was going to say. I'm Irish so we protest vote them switching peaky blinders. Actually it's a good show Berkeley yeah. It's almost too correct his face face you'll Ian Murphy Cillian Murphy just have a picture of it on my phone and sometimes and when I feel the world is just look at it. He's like your cat video that picture of a Washer Dryer and I'm like what everything said Yeah my the mother beaver carrying the baby beaver on her really really watch bangers. I know we're going to get a lot of hate. People are like just show up at our apartment figures in they love eating Boris Johnson final thoughts here do you because the other thing is they can like reform and reform governments or whatever all the time it's because they're system might be better <hes> but it's also hilarious and I don't super understand but <hes> how do you think he will ultimately prevail or or do you think he'll be sacrificed like theresa may was you know. He seems to be a shape shifter. I think there's going to be some sacrificial lambs <hes> just two to three months we have. There's no way round it but you're it's it's hard. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA hold on that one on clear unclear. I just don't think he can. It doesn't seem doable three months you know they say what is the you WanNa. Change Your Diet. You can change it in three weeks eggs if you hang in there. I don't think you can change your whole thing and I think that I know that you can change things that are short amount of time but I just don't think it's doable so I think what he's going to have to do is make a big move. That's like a wildcard doing that. I think he is he because he seems like heels like a wildcard is a wildcard but he would have to do something like everybody was kidding. We're not doing this or you know what I mean it's because otherwise it just seems and they've maxed out their options. They've got the too many extensions. It's it seems like they just can't get done. I also want to point out that he ruffles his hair before he speaks public so that I think it's like a lowering expectations thing young people talk about yeah and then with wild hair just might do something wild yeah I mean he he's also he liked. Trump doesn't have very much shame so so you know right so I feel like he he also. I think is in it for what will make him seem the most awesome you know and maybe legacy wise too so maybe he wants to preside over another for like just kidding. We're not doing it. You know like maybe he'll do that because they'll just like I saved the United Kingdom because if there is a no deal brexit this Scotland will probably vote to secede for independence and then it's really and he'll be the prime minister that was there for the Vulcan secession of Scotland come on and such a great comedy festival that alone really think carefully international bro to not be under your umbrella a- all right you guys we'll we'll keep an eye on Boris. It sees a he's a fascinating figure. We'll be able to avoid keeping an eye on him. It's going to be there well. We we have our own Boris that we have to look at every day healthcare right on man I know there they do still have it better record India come on Iran all right you guys let us move John to topic number three. Have you heard people talk about mindful drinking or being sober curious because they're now seems to be a movement of people who aren't alcoholics but they're sober but they're not doing your grandma's sobriety you guys is they're doing a different kind of sobriety like where you meet up with other people in your sober together which is sort of a nice novel idea New York City. I mean have you guys done any of this like a meeting up with people and being sober I I mean you know I am so I I was reading this article. I was thinking about it and I think sober is a particular term usually for are people in a program right who are not just not drinking. They're also not doing a lot of other things and it has to do with the process they went to of like because it was a <hes> an issue in their life that affected many things things like the term sobriety is often <hes> like I'm careful with because I feel like it's I don't WanNa disrespect people who are like in a or A._A.. To be in Rehab for a long time or you know what I mean yeah you want honor that I agree I definitely want to honor that and then there's people that are making lifestyle changes yeah for like health reasons and or they've realized they feel better when they don't drink and it's wonderful that accompanies and places these are making options for people to go out and have fun with others and not drink but still have like a fun beverage. It's incredible. Actually I think it's really I think it's really important because you realize how much drinking is a part of our culture I was I can only hang out with people when I'm wasted I can only let's get after up. You know what I mean or like. I'm not going to being social unless or I also notice if somebody who doesn't drink how uncomfortable sometimes other people get when you're not drinking even though you're like no I don't. I don't care if you drink. I'm just you know what I mean. Don't it's so funny because I okay so I do think the one of the things that happening is this movement of people who aren't Alco who wore not alcoholics but are just right <music> as you're saying for health reasons or for whatever reason <hes> and maybe they were like on a mild end of the alcoholism spectrum you know what I mean. We're not like they hit a rock bottom. It's not like you know none of that kind of happened but but they were just like yeah things. Were just like not feeling well. They're like I didn't burn my house. Nobody had sex with too many people Jane Yeah exactly and I think that's kind of. I think more 'em were entering an age of nuance. He wants when it comes to alcoholism. I think where you're like yeah I was didn't have held down a job. It was fun and all sorts of relationships and it was fine and I was a reliable human but I drank too much still little actually all of that. The age of nuance means that more people are GonNa talk about it so I'm all for it and I it's amazing and I mean there have been. It's the kind of thing I don't know if this happened to you ladies but if you if you go somewhere somewhere and you don't drink people. Are you pregnant. Yes Yeah Yeah Ed just like it is it has been in the past in certain settings such a part of the culture that I think it's wonderful to have have people be able to talk about make all kinds of choices that don't I it it. It could have any kind of motivation and I just think that's wonderful. I'm super excited about. I haven't been to a six A._M.. Dance Party but I have been to they break meant to Brooklyn. Keep inviting me. You've heard of all of this. I go to a lot of dance class. Shake it out and really really feel like I. It's like a seven A._M.. Thing right it's crazy or something like that yeah just getting home. I mean it's ridiculous yeah for Comedians. It's ridiculous but but I think I mean okay. There's like I do think it's great because as listeners I'm I'm one of these people I don't drink. I will drink like I had a a glass of wine. You know a couple months ago talking. Remember remember when you know that's my level of drinking. I'm I'm okay with people who drink. I don't mind I I don't mind meeting people at a bar and ordering a cup soda like I all of that stuff and so I think there's something about this. That worries me. That's a little like where I do want the energy of people gathering the to still happen. You know like I feel like when I was drinking. There was just a lot more gathering or there was just even a lot more people feeling comfortable inviting me together because I also drank and now that I don't really drink <hes> you know but I'm also oh like a fucking mom and all all forms of us off that male chaplain they that's exactly what happened but I think I worry a little bit that the new sobriety also just means the people are kind of like drugging themselves with like being at home and just watching television and being alone and getting an endorphin hit from the new episode of broad shirt. Do you know what I mean. Arnaud Arnaud new episodes of Broad Church right now because I am left wanting and I do think that making plans going out and socializing is very important which is why I think these things are so important to have options so people don't feel weird when they WANNA go. Do something yeah not drink yeah but I think going to the movies. <hes> you know I have friends that I just meet up with and go for walks in the park and we have an iced coffee. I also have no problem meeting people at bars I I love the bar culture walk in and there's people and everyone's we have some nuts the dip there has to be on his like staring at other people in wondering if so and so is going to make our so and so I love that stuff that's a bar scene. Where are you going just to like a bar? It's like you don't even have to but I think yeah I want this to happen. I wonder a little it's so interesting too because I think I would love to see bars just offer more things like the idea I don't think we I feel like everyone wants to disrupt existing structures in and be like instead of this bar opening new buyers have no alcohol alcohol exactly the stools are strangely higher. Everything's about distruption and I don't think we need to think about. I think we should just be a little bit more. This bar now has mock tales. These people are saying they're making like the beer companies that are making beer. Come out and have their kind of non alcoholic beer which I think is great yeah like I just don't think there needs needs to be so much of a barrier between people who drink and people who don't drink it doesn't there needs to be at all except for the people that like obviously there are people that really drink and then they get any issue that you don't drink what you're saying at all but we all want to take issue with the constant commodification of these movements if the movement is people are drinking less that's fine. That's great doesn't have to be like commodified into like <hes> you know there's a site now and you can find other feel weird about it I guess and they never isolated yeah and they feel like people think they're weird yeah and so they wanna find other people so they don't feel weird. I get I see that way are so used to being fine with whatever we are. I'm so I'm so used to like walking into bars and not drinking like doesn't upset me. It does make me feel weird. I'm just completely fine with it so I'm always like I think people aren't is confident in their differences. Do you think it's also because you are comedians. <hes> we're like I'm I'm here and I'm I'm amazing. I and I sometimes perform a bars. I'm not going to drink in that context because who knows what's GONNA come out. My mouth of video and I used to know I stood like sometime for there was a while ago saying I would just have a drink it just to see. Did it. Change Your set. He has it fascinating it made you I mean made just just as someone is more like loquacious and bubbly or whatever when they've had a couple with friends it's same thing. In kind happens when you're on stage much looser loose loose able to get to that without without having any control it but I do think that a large part of because so much we perform in bars and clubs and I can't drink when I do comedy me because I want to know where what are my abilities and what's me you know what I need us now. I'm I am more comfortable being. I'm not drinking here because I'm so used to it. Good points yeah. It happens to meet you. I have to give a speech and people like Oh. Would you like a glass of something like no ah to talk about some serious things right now. This is not a time well. Can I ask you guys so for the people who are listening that might be I rolling at the idea of the new sobriety. Yes yeah this movement will when you say that way. I know everyone I roll. Is it just virtue signaling. Is it a part of our whole fucking mindfulness wellness. Oh do you not do you not meditate. That's Oh I am at a Tae. Oh no I'm. I'm sober because it's unhealthy not to be so the need you must be really unhealthy V you or not sober you know what I mean is. Are we just virtue signaling and is that annoying Lebron a you. Have your hand raised. I think that there are people that are virtue signallers virtue signallers and there are people that are just that's the thing that they wanna do in their life and there is both happening at the same time we know the people that are in our life that are let you know they're vegans begins spock yourself because it's so annoying and it's constantly go yourself. I've got a gluten free muffin and I know what I'm doing. I don't even tell people just like this works for me and it's I've wanted to doing my life and I i. I WANNA feel comfortable with it but I'm not like throwing it. In People's faces or making people feel like their choices are bad and I think that both of those things exist there are the virtue signals who just like WanNa let you know and you're like and then there are the people that are just finding what works for them and I think it's important that they feel supported and like they're not weird and that there are places for them to go and I think both of those things can happen at the same time and we can just look at the virtue what you signallers and be like I know that deep inside you must feel shattered an empty because you have to push your shit in everybody else's faces yeah and I feel empathy and for you because my therapist told me to and I think it's yeah you there. I'm GONNA leave that there and I think it's great I but I would say is I think it's I would rather have that whatever the person's doing because there isn't a one-size-fits-all box for people who don't want to drink as much and drinking is such a pervasive part of so many cultures here and globally I would love for it to be even more acceptable to do something of different because Sony people struggle with it. I mean I can think of so many people I know in my family life that anything that is a different different model for people choices that are healthier for themselves. I'm all for it. I don't care if it's putting on a shirt. I don't care what it is. I think it's this one I think is is great for people. If it works for people really agree. I'm also I mean there are some really big downsides alcohol right right right of course <hes>. Can I also just point out something that I feel like is annoying about our discourse around alcohol which is that. There's something gendered about the way we talk about. Alcohol and women like it's like you're either. You're either trying to live out some sort of sex in the city fantasy or your fucking mom who so frazzled from motherhood that she she needs like her hashtag mommy juice or whatever to like make it through the day you know and both of those <hes> depictions of women in alcohol are just so irritating to me like I don't even what I was drinking. I was also anything that has to do with like shitting on sex in the city also irritating because it was a show about some ladies who were friends like we need to all come down what about like the cultural importance of what that show did or didn't do or whatever the fuck anyways but like I think both of I when I was a drinker I had fun and it wasn't a big deal wasn't about there is no gendered. I didn't feel like I was living out any of these gendered <hes> fantasies that we have about women and alcohol. I think it's all part yeah. I think it's all part of the same thing. I mean. Even just what I'm doing. Now people are like well you know. She worked for this guy so she's really just like this guy or this guy supporting her so she's really this way or she's just like this other woman. I think that they're it may be. It's so few we've had historic Paradigm Gang Yeah so few women in the seed of of of control or a seat at the table whatever it is that instead people get to these these things have been perpetuated that really are just very binary and not at all like a nuance world live in and I think it's that's why it's important that things changed to me because as you you you you we saw in the last election cycle. All people are either in women are just angry or they're you know to submissive and there's never never somewhere yeah I think the everything on this year right and in terms of like norm building like we I we only ever saw it was neither like sex of the city drinking or or bad mom's drinking. We haven't seen very very just which haven't seen very much representation of other stuff. No I think that women also with the hashtag mommy juice and this was just my initial thought this wasn't I haven't thought it out so I may change my mind leader after somebody emails me how stupid I am. I get emails for like I did not agree with Oh yes and impartial quest dumb same business I think with the mommy thing that's also a way for women who feel they need a moment for themselves to relate two other people on the Internet at the end of the day. I liked to have a glass of wine just for like ten minutes for me and so. I think that that's like obviously when I say there's downside he'll call. I don't mean like people having a glass of wine at the end of the day because that's their aim where they take their moment for themselves and so I I do think that that's not necessarily that may be a place where people find an ability to take a little bit of time for themselves and my other thought was I do feel also recently started. We're watching madman like you were saying we have this visual of like men making business deal dark liquors and cigars and there's never women in the room. It's just dudes after they played golf with other men and then they have a dark mark a whiskey or a Scotch and then they make money deals and never women on there with the whiskey or the golf clubs making money deals true they make the same Gillette razors for men and women than the women ones are more expensive so how does that. I'll add adams against all unfair all of it unfair no but that's such a good point. It's really about our perception of like and like the men can handle the alcohol. You know what I mean. It was like a man thing to do with a big old cigar after we played something and then I'm going to buy a whole company and do some insider trading all right you guys. I'm curious to know what the people think the nation's think of the new sobriety movement and you know Oh. Are you rolling your eyes. Are you kind of sober in a non preachy way. Where are you with this? <hes> hit me up. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Okay you guys. That's the end of the show. How do you you feel the feel good? This is this is awesome. If there were more conversations like this I think I think we'd solve a lot of problems. The district that <hes> I'm running and hasn't had a woman leading in almost fifty years which is sort of unbelievable <music> progressive center of the country. Maybe the world right I I have a whole whole team that has has a lot of smart women on it <hes> and <hes> there's just so much work to do and I love. 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"Democracies Don't Work When People Are So Tribal"

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"Democracies Don't Work When People Are So Tribal"

"And welcome to the investigation on chris slash stu senior executive producer and you're podcast host i'm joined here now by my longtime friend an nbc news colleague matt out also a former liberal political operative would say yeah it was a chief strategist bush in schwarzenegger in a number of other canada's before that having worked on both sides of the however in this presidency you are an outspoken critic of the president described the truth teller okay well that's what i tried to tell her i mean i've as you know i met with him earlier this year into the presidency so i've tried to be respectful to him but i've also tried to be you know say what i think is going wrong or what's what's what's happening well on this podcast matt we spend a lotta time dissecting the muller investigation in all the congressional investigations there's so many of them investigating trump it's hard to keep track but now i wanna get your opinion i thought you'd be a good guess because now would be announcement that robert muller is gonna testify on capitol hill in the mid summer spectacle what do you think's gonna happen with that what's the effect of well i think anytime anytime you have public testimony on something it's like the difference between how much of a book has versus the movie about the book 'em or the play about the book and so i think it will have that sort of appeal it'll get people focus that may not have been actually focus fully on what what's in the muller report other than what was described as what was in it and so i think it will get the attention of american public i don't actually know fundamentally what substantively will come of it because muller from all everything i can tell and every people that i've talked to that know him well i don't know how much he's gonna go off all the things he's already said right in is that a risk for the democrats i mean i think obviously this is gonna be there's gonna be build up there's not gonna be a lot of news it's gonna be july and emergency robert muller robert muller rubber muller and then we're gonna hear the testimony and maybe it won't beer from the report i think it depends on how they questioned him i mean if i were involved in it i would say i wanna ask you a few questions did you say there was no collusion and i think the answer to that is no i never said there was no collusion they'll go off and say i said there were i couldn't find evidence of criminal conspiracy did you say there is no obstruction of justice to sort of take what donald trump has described it in make robert muller say that it's not what i said well i think that's a perfect time to listen obviously george stephanopoulos had a big interview with donald trump let's play that sound georgia's interview it's like they would shut that goes on a no collusion with russia there is no collusion and what bothers me is you know let's not with robert muller and south said no collusion you know what nobody even brings russia up that anymore what bothers me is when you did nothing wrong and they have a phony witch hunt that bothers me what do you think of that i mean what is he just deluded or is he just putting a line in the sand and saying you better believe me this one but will at as e you know chris you've watched this precedent for a long time probably longer than most i think the president's comes up with some framing on something whether it's the birthing thing that about obama whether it's the feet of new york five central park five and he's very he's very hard to shake from his whatever he brands wants to something to be branded as i think he knows it doesn't say specifically no collusion but i think hitting important to him is the branding of whatever it is he's talking about and he never wants to go off of that brand because he thinks wants he goes off that brandies in some problematic situation so i think that's where he is i think he is not gonna let go of this nfl bob muller testifies and says no i never said no collusion no i never said no obstruction of course you we probably could predict what the president will do which is attacked bob muller and say this is a waste of time and i don't know why were doing this and there's nothing with the russia and blah blah blah but he won't leave his his branding ding yes he but i i actually think bob muller though is is gonna be more literal he does not wanna testify made it perfectly clear he doesn't wanna testify so i think we're gonna hear maybe about four hundred times it's very clear my report i agree very clear i agree with that an and that's where i worry people are gonna be like underwhelmed by this and i worry that the democrats are putting way too much stock into robert muller's perform well i it's not surprising on the democratic side that they put a lot of stock in things that don't come to fruition a in in all of this process i actually don't think the democrats have fully and i'm surprised it's taken this long to fully acquainted themselves with the world they're operating in in adjust their strategy strategy i think they still act like this is a strategy that you put in a normal world end like it's twenty years ago or ten years ago and i don't think they've adapted to the reality in the world that were in politics in america today i was very critical the fact of bringing john dean i i found that absolutely ridiculous while you bring guy from forty years ago that half the country doesn't even know who he is to make your point about impeachment it seemed well sky especially everything that's far as is far as i know there's a non evidentiary is been no like gathering facts up on the present circumstances i think the democrats have felt themselves left with they can't get all the witnesses they want because either they're they're being stopped from doing that because of executive privilege or some other reason so they've traveled grasping at straws and i think this is a fundamental strategy i think the democrats have to make the decision are we going to impeach the president or are we just gonna hold a series of hearings and let this thing unfolded and i think they have to make that decision and what do you think they're gonna do i don't think i don't know i think the speaker speaker pelosi has been firm that that's not where she wants the head right now there's a number of democrats at one ahead they're i think they're misreading actually the politics i think they're they're taking their their stand on this the speakers standing this based on what they redid was the politics from they impeachment hearings under clinton which i think they've missed read 'em i also think there's an argument to be made by people that you could there's a difference between what's the political thing they're doing what's the principal thing the do i don't know where they're gonna fall on this one we a one we unfold i think they have to make a decision by this summer and if they haven't moved in my view if they and moved impeachment to in some some place of impeachment by the fall there's i don't think they can once the presidential campaign starts really in earnest and do you think you're a person that obviously knows polling look good numbers and you know i we've said repeatedly even on this podcast that impeachment of president clinton helped the debt there's in the impression that it backfired on the republicans and it helped bill clinton we had congressman swallow on he said the exact exact opposite he actually thought it helped the republicans and i've been thinking about that i'm curious about european i i think there's a mix of information i don't think you could say either one of those i don't think it necessarily hurt their hurt the republicans in that they ended up winning the presidency in two thousand which i was involved with with george w bush based primarily on the idea that they wanna bush wanted restore honor and dignity the white house right and enjoy an an al gore was attached to some of those negative 'cause he was the vice president's clinton and i think what the republicans lost when they when they lost the house somehow some house races very few it was the normal normal 'em what happens normally within win midterm elections i think bill clinton's job approval rating was where it was because of where they economy is booming at the time of the end of his presidency but i also don't think it helped the republicans i don't think it gave them a bunch of messages that they could used in a way that was very effective so i think it's mixed but for anybody but he just say it hurt the democrats are anybody say hurt republicans i think the evidence is very mix will take a quick break and be right back stay with those get cash back for shopping you were already going to do rockets in is a free member base loyalty program but let's see where in cash back on shopping at over twenty five hundred stores like macy's best buy nike and more shop nine entering 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deliberate 'em will they barely mentioned robert muller and they also barely mentioned donald trump which i thought was was weird actually i think that somebody should have brought up like you know listeners is with evidence in the muller port somebody should've brought up a series of things this president's executive taken muller used what muller said in the report and basically launched an attack on the president's i was actually more than just price they talk more about mitch mcconnell did about muller and they did about the president united states it's weird because the defining the one of the defining element of the democrats right now is their desire to remove the present united states that's what they that's fundamentally what they wanna do who's the most electable who can take him on who could do that and they sort of left the president's in in without with few exceptions unscathed and they didn't use muller at all as a baseball bat and one of the things i don't think they calculated and i think this is if i were advising them i would say you wanna do something that's gonna cause the president to go after you because if the president goes after you it helps you in the democratic primary i would have come up in using muller would have been imperfect think is what it is you know it would have cost present it they get very upset probably would have sent out five different tweets on it that person would have been the subject of his attack and they would have benefited that firm that not listen to when george us donald trump about the democrats a and the muller report look a v republicans in the senate every single but i see no this is hey which aren't they get it a hundred percent and that's what matters the democrats are gonna do it only because they might think it helps them i think it actually hurts on monday election but there's never been a time in the history of country where somebody was so mistreated is i have been in this should never ever be allowed to happen to another president again previous administration used intelligence datta envy intelligence his agency is just spy on my campaign you believe the president obama spied i don't know that hopefully we're gonna find out which traces another point as someone who's been on a lot of campaigns over the years and i do think president trump's presidency and his campaign has you know we become and your to scandal that it that it won't have any effect the people don't care anymore i think i think what's happened is we become numb to the extent and a number of things is that a team seem controversy on chaotic or in some people's minds corrupt in all of these things so every time something new comes up people are like oh just another thing just another thing just another thing so i don't think i don't think apps and some surprising revelation of something that has is definitive in some way it is forty percent of the country's lock salad with him i mean dislikes out not that's not nothing's gonna change their minds in forty five to forty eight percent is lock solid against him blocks all against him and so all of these things are done as seen through that and i think the people that are sort of in the middle trying to figure out i've had basically be gone to sort of tune out tuned out some of his tweets tune out some of the sort of outrage i think there's way too much outrage over every time something happens by the democrats there's just you can't be outraged by every single thing though there's obviously some upsetting things and so i think that's it's numbed a lot of people it's not a lotta people i think they'll tune back into this conversation but i think they're only gonna tune back into this conversation when the presidential race becomes really intense end we there seems to be one candidate versus donald trump then i think they'll tune back into all of these i'm asking a slightly different question about the democrats because even when we did a story recently about joe biden son hunter and his financial dealings it raised questions about appearance of conflict of interest his people denied he did anything wrong an you know it falls kind of quietly out there in these third that no one seems to care i remember a time if we had done that story it would be leaving every newspaper in the country and people would be talking about it over and over again there doesn't seem to be see that want to know well i think that you're hitting on one of the things that i think is the most concerning in our country today which is is because there's so much of this is a big portion of the american public accepting the idea that integrity doesn't matter and i think in the long term and that's not true but in the short term it's very worrisome because if we're at a point that they think everybody lies they think everybody's corrupt they think all of that then it becomes an ends justify the means for everything so it's like i'm are guys bad year guys is bad what can we get out of this that's really really really problematic in our democracy right i i even worry i mean if you look at virginia and you look at the governor of virginia and you look at the lieutenant governor virginia both democrats i think the strategy strategy of saying wait it out seems to work they're both still in power no well yeah i think that's true but i think this was in evidence before donald trump i mean there were part of the the forgiveness of bill clinton by it that he certain things he did and all of the things whether it's personally or whatever they need some in in in the misstatement said he had her the lies that he told were given a pass and i think we've reached the stage where the tribes are willing to give whomever is in their tribe passed on whatever they do and then whatever they other tribe does they want a good jump all over and i and i think democracies don't work when people are so tribal did they take every bit of information through a biased frame let's say they don't work democracies do not and that women were in that place i i know you're not could predict elections but i mean joe biden is obviously the front runner here in in in doubt a strong front runner but a front runner an end but do you think the big pool works for him or against it works for him because i think joe joe biden got honored percent name idee and he's pulling at thirty percent of the vote now it's good to be ahead but when you get a hunter percent name eddie and you're getting thirty percent of the vote that's concerning that should be concerning to their campaign that works winning a caucus are winning a primary with thirty thirty two percent works when there's three four five canada it's it gets very dicey when it's a one on one race especially if it's somebody that's popular among the sort of democratic left very popular among the a credit left i think biden would hope that this multi canada feel maybe not twenty candidates but five six seven eight stays in place at least through march i think he wants that to be so he can win these caucuses and in primaries without getting fifty percent of the vote because i think that's the problem then he has kenny get fifty percent of the vote one on one end do you think the muller report and obstruction of justice and the president's behavior will be front and center issue in this campaign yes yeah i i think when we come next in the general election presidential reelect sir always about the perception of the president's prime primarily about the perception of the present and whatever that president's job approval number is since harry truman the president's job approval number has predicted what his actual ballot number is so if somebody is at forty four percent job approval they get forty four percent of around forty four percent of the vote george w bush in in two thousand ford reelect some people say oh he's only available and i kept saying if he's at fifty or fifty one percent he's gonna get fifty and that's exactly what about brock obama in twenty twelve same exact thing so i think it's always about the president's 'em in this now that you you can tire up an you know go negative on their opposition to sort of make people react to that but i think you tell me what it here's what i say tell me what the president's job approval number is in october in a certain number of states not necessarily nasty but in certain number of states and i can pretty much tell you what it's likely it'd be election results so this will be a referendum on the president's day oh is that real x are always a referendum on the president's okay well thank you matt though this is very interesting and very helpful great to be here

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Introducing Cyber Space with John Carlin

Stay Tuned with Preet

26:16 min | 7 months ago

Introducing Cyber Space with John Carlin

"Hey folks pred- here a few weeks ago we brought you a special episode of New podcast restarting for members of Cafe Insider, it's called cyberspace and it's hosted by my friend, a renowned cyber national security expert John Carlin. Today I'm excited to announce the official launch of the podcast John led the Justice Department's National Security Division under President Obama and prior to that served as chief of staff to then FBI Director Robert Muller. Every other Friday he'll be exploring issues at the intersection of Technology, policy and law but some of the most thoughtful and influential leaders who've made an impact in the world of cyber. What follows now is my conversation with John He joined me to preview his podcast and give us a broad outline of the cyber threat and the challenges created by ever evolving technology. And if you'd like to listen to the first episode of cyberspace featuring, John's interview with Alex. Stamos you can do. So for Free State Service, the chief security officer at facebook during a crucial time leading the company's investigation into Russia's manipulation of the two thousand sixteen election to listen for free head to cafe dot com slash cyber, and we'll send you a link that's cafe dot com slash cyber, and now here's my conversation with Giancarlo. Giancarlo. Welcome back to the show. Yeah. It's great to be back. So we had you on about a year and a half ago not much has happened since then I think no, it's pretty much the same over static country. In every respect. But one reason we have John was to talk about your book of the Code War. Working in the second book are you know I think I might be one and done we'll see now you'll do others, but you're going to be doing this podcast. So I want to ask you why you've agreed to do this podcast I think it's very important. One theory I have is You saw that our friend and your predecessor at. Least Monica was doing a podcast and you some foam. Oh. Never discount envy but also your your persuasive guy. Pre. On a scale of one to ten what do you think the average person in the public's understanding of the threat of cyber and the danger of cyber and the issues relating to cyber are three, but you know complicate that answer a little bit. I think that there's a general sense of discomfort or fear about it. That's probably accurate and so maybe that'll that'll rank a lot higher. But then specifically about the different where we are right now, what bad guys have already done to us that I think is pretty low and that's not just for the average. Person grandma prisoner hanging out with at a bar that is also finding true it at some of the highest levels of Corporate America will what about lawmakers? Made this point a lot I was having this conversation with my daughter the other day about you know some hearings and you see both senators and members of the House not understanding the basics of technology and they're the ones making the laws about this. What if you say the average person's at three? Where would you say you have to name names? Where would you say the average lawmakers while to say? You know I've had a few I. Do this project for the Aspen. Institute on Cybersecurity and you've identified what we've identified as one of the top problems and some of the members of our group are sitting members of Congress and they have described it down near zero or a one which subways make sense if you think about the average age of a Senator House member in the speed with which technology. Has has changed one of big initiatives. One of the reasons a podcast is just. At at the heart of this, I think sometimes it's a translation issue we've suddenly were relying on technology and the people who understand it best speak a different language. You speak that they understand that don't speak policy, and then the policy folks don't speak. So a lot of the initiatives that we've tried to start teach trying to teach each other our respective languages. So on the podcast, are you going to speak policy technology geek or how about how about English we'RE GONNA GO WE'RE GONNA try to go with English. Translation. But we'll try to bring on guests you who range are first guest was really someone who's a policy expert in a sitting government official who had my prior job in Lisa's prior? Lisa. Monaco prior job as assistant general security. So He's sitting government official ends backgrounds more policy, but he's finding that the issues facing or right at the at the center of this technological change of this move to. Cyber. So have people like that. Who are real policy experts will also have You know Alex stamos is GonNa. Be An upcoming guest who is a former chief information security officer at both Yahoo, and then facebook can live through some of the most serious attacks by Russian, and other actors and he's really a technologist but someone is good at speaking in policy. So we're trying to bring in both voices. What do you think are the most important issues that are going to be a deal in the news and in people's lives in the coming months and years tell you one that we'd predicted when I think I was last on with you. So we a year and a half ago despite everything changing the threats haven't changed its the magnitude has increased. We saw five years ago at this point, the Syrian Electric Army. So Group of of individuals associated with the Syrian state who supported the Assad regime and they did, what is still I think is the single most damaging just in terms of dollars attack and it was simple and easy to do. They took over the twitter account of the Associated Press to pretend. That there was a attack in the Obama White House, and they watched the stock market plunged billions and billions of dollars. So we talked about that Dan as something to worry about heading into the election as it seems like we're more not less reliant on getting information through twitter recently, when numerous public personalities twitter accounts were taken over and luckily in that case. It was a relatively low rent, bad guy scheme or what they they're trying to do is convince people to give them Bitcoin you not to gain digital currency but that same scheme if you did that right before election in the news media fell Fort, you would have people wondering about the legitimacy of the election. So one issue I think is going to be. How do we get news? How do we get information in how can be manipulated in this age? What we do to protect ourselves? There's one thing we've learned repeatedly in this space is that everyone is watching. So even if the intent of this particular actor really was a lawrence game to make a buck. When people see how easily it worked and use their imaginations? Actors, with much more in the first in ten terrorists nation states. Are taking notes and we need to prepare ourselves for more sophisticated use and we've seen we've learned that lesson time and again the hard way I hope learn it this time in protect ourselves before we see the worst use. To who needs who needs protection the most who's who's farther behind and others? To make sure at least with respect to an election. You don't have some bad event will one education effort I know we've been doing is with the news media and reporters so that they learn to take you know take a breath on in terms of reporting out what they get through twitter in the possibility of being manipulated and not just twitter which were but other social media as well. But in addition to that I think it's something that state election officials need to plan for in Homeland Security needs to plan for. So what if the threat that we face during the election is not a disruption of actual vote count or white people from the registration both things that we can and should worry about but instead it's just manipulating media to tell people to. Misinformation about how to vote for instance. So I think this is state local officials, reporters, and federal officials need to be quite aware of the way bad guys could could manipulate is interference with the election year topmost concern at the moment. It's it's hard in this space to pick a top because there's lack 'cause. I'm so many, doomsday scenarios. Nail flow from the same fundamental change right which is we moved almost everything we value from books and papers from analog to digital over very short period of time we did it further and faster than any other country in the world. So that goes to our water supply our electric grid. The way we get our news media everything. Now that is you know I, I'm looking at with. occurring everyone's working from home you can't work with if your systems get disrupted in were does that increase? How much has covid increased our risk I'm seeing it. So in my in my practice now helping companies who are victim of cyber attacks. I'm seeing an increase in ransomware in particular. So these are schemes that. encrypt they lock up your computers you can't use them unless you pay the bad guy, a fee and the bad guys have realized is that in an age of Covid people are GonNa pay because even a minor disruption in no matter what businesses on everyone's working from home right now and dependent on being able to use their networks in system. Making and again. Going back to earlier example, those are group's who you can pay by enlarge because what they're trying to do is to make a buck but if you think about that type of vulnerability on scale, if someone really wanted to deliver a shock to the American economy at a time, we're already dealing with a lot of shocks. You see that with the prevalence ransomware attacks have bad guide locked up the systems and there's no amount that you could pay can really cause damage the I'm GonNa talk about your background a little bit. You've had a lot of different jobs dislike Lisa Monaco and Ken Wayne but I want ask you your your interest in and focus on cyber how that evolved overtime. So. How. Much different is your view? And your attention to cyber comparatively between the time you serve, for example, as Chief of staff to Robert Muller than FBI. Director. And say your last year in government in the Obama Administration. Yeah. So so prior to serving a muller as chief of staff when he was. Back in the good old days when he was relatively anonymous director of the FBI. I had coordinated nationally the computer hacking intellectual property criminal cases. So, I become a Summer of specialists in this area in when I win. Chips. Chips. He's responsible for that name think utility before because he you know he doesn't watch TV had no idea that they were a bunch of responsible Robert Muller Robert Muller yet store when he was the US attorney. In California, he started the first chips unit there to deal with high tech crime, they named the computer hacking and intellectual property section. It was just a section in that one. US Attorney's office, and then he brought the name with him when he came back. The name. Yeah we'll you know about the. Sunglasses. TV Show Yeah. Reminded many of our listeners don't know what the hell you're talking about you. Chips tortilla chips. Credit. Just. California highway patrol big being camps with this show. Yeah. Look I I know you watch religiously. I watched the show. I wasn't allowed to watch TV, but it was one of the shows I snuck and they just did a remake that was is really a terrible movie. I got to say but it. So maybe it's more people hurt because of the remake no negative we don't do negative. Negative promotions. Here. So, yeah so much between then and and recently. How much bigger of a deal has become I think what it is. It's a lot of what we foretold has now come. Come to pass. So for a while, you know everyone was. Saying it's a matter of time before nation state attack seat the United States through cyber means. Now we've had things like the North Korean attack on Sony motion pictures going back to your don't give negative views because they they're essentially giving a negative review to a movie didn't like the interview you've had Russia. We talked about the fact that there was the possibility of Medellin election but now we've seen it happen and on scale and not just once we saw them attempt to do the same thing in. The two thousand eighteen election's, and we know they're trying to do it again, we've seen China steal intellectual property on scope and scale that simply unimagined in history that former director of the National Security Agency. Called the largest transfer of wealth in human history Keith Alexander I think he's right and we've seen that affect the world's geopolitics. So I think what we're seeing a lot of what had been predicted has already come true and unfortunately since then there has been increased investment in security new positions created new. The government has changed in new policies. But at the same time, we've also doubled down on increasing our reliance on the technology without fixing the underlying vulnerabilities. So I'm not sure we were more safe than we were before. You know that that quote from Alexander is also invoke regularly when I was in office the greatest transfer. Of Wealth and human history but a lot a lot of that wealth. Is being transferred wear to China right based on theft property. So I WANNA ask you about China for a second I was recently. Talking to some folks who said something that made my hair stand on end and it was. The question of what is going to happen with the relationship between the United States and China and how big a threat China is much more so than Russia. And the question was are we inevitably headed towards? Armed Conflict with China military conflict with China and the consensus was no not in the conventional sense that seems unlikely. But if you're including cyber and whatever cyber means they thought, there was a very high likelihood that inevitability do that, and what would that look like I agree with it but I do think it's something that's that we can positively impact in. It's a good reason to to talk about now in so. It's in part of that is I think China in the US have a vested interest in having some norms some rules of the road on how you use these weapons that are incredibly powerful. And in order to set those rules of the road, you need to create clear norms like things that are okay and are not what are the red lines make sure that there's not confusion and then make sure that your deterrence is credible. So with China right now has great capability to disrupt inside the US and we have a great ability to disrupt their systems. As well, I think what? What's keeping it more in the in the realm of espionage and? Trade secret theft rather than actually disrupting systems that we rely on. Is Deterrence understanding of where red lines one of the concerted efforts you saw the Obama Administration that I think has fallen off somewhat not because they're great cases being brought by the law enforcement and intelligence professionals, but there hasn't been consistency at the top. In terms of the messaging to China on what's most important. But one of the changes you saw the attempt to make administration is to say, Hey, trade secret theft when you're targeting private companies were putting as as a norm where saying that is one of our our red lines that he can't use your cyber capability. Instead of you don't investing in research and development to steal intellectual property, and then we did see a change of behavior when that breakthrough occurred with President Obama in president she was it was somewhat remarkable I. Think we've fallen off a little bit because it's so conflicted with all the other us. China trade issues that there's not a clear message on you know what's different from trade in really a national security issue putting China side. Would have some other countries that you think are dangerous in the sphere that you'll be talking about on the pod yet top four are China. We've talked about Russia north, Korea and Iran, and that's been fairly consistent in terms of the assessment of the intelligence community for nearly a decade now. I discussed this once at a panel. where I think I was moderating. and. At the same conference I don't think we're on a panel together and I remember asking someone who not long after the Sony Hack. Those perpetrated by the government of North Korea. Should we be surprised that north? Korea is in the top four given that as I, understand it. They have all the processing power in that country I'm exaggerating but all the processing power of my laptop. Isn't it is it otherwise? Digitally. Very behind the country. Now I think that's that's fair in it's one thing when when North Korea did do the attack for instance on Sony Motion Pictures, some people said, why tack them back through Cyber Means and It always. Think that the maximum you WANNA. Attack Your your enemy where you are strong in they are weak and that time the we were very digitally reliant but you could knock all of North Korea offline and they had fewer I ip or Internet Protocol addresses than average company does so wouldn't mean much to knock them all off line to your bright so being. A, little bit behind digitally is in some ways to measure of protection currently. That's right. In, there also So the way that they're conducting most of their tax are not from folks inside of North Korea, what they're doing a they do with their schemes to get a developed a weapons of mass destruction, they have a network of. Agents outside of North Korea and the US infrastructure ill broadband in computers outside of North Korea to conduct their tax, and it is a major part of their national security strategy right now because when you look at our policy, which is to try to deprive currency from the regime in order to change policy through sanctions. With decided is okay. Will they try to deprive legitimate banking? We are going to become the world's largest bank robber and use our cyber capability to do things like wire transfer schemes where a bank thinks it's transferring to one place, but they changed the currency and we see North Korea doing that all the time. Now they also do the ransomware type scheme we discussed before until they're extorting companies to get payment and they're really it's it's not tied to any particular political goal. They're just doing it to raise money with the Sony Hack. Case. That you mentioned perpetrated by North Korea was at the most interesting case you worked on when you're in government in this area. Sadly for I'd say there's a couple in each country has a as a case that found particularly interesting of the of the four we discussed so. You have that that North Korean attack on Sony and then you have the Russian blended threat attack on Yahoo where they took a guy who's a crook like a legit crook in so no nation state. Motive on his part and he would do things like hack in change the Yahoo. Search engine sound. When you search for anything, you got redirected to erectile dysfunction site. And then was. Not a national security emergency. Yeah. And he'd take take a buck but then you saw Russian operatives in it. It was the same unit that we relied upon for cooperation with. Russia. So he was one of our most wanted criminals we went through the FBI to say, Hey, can you help us arrest them just like we've cooperated another cases like porno terrorism this has nothing to do with national security and instead of helping us arrest him, they signed him. Up as an intelligence asset and then they used his same type of crazy criminal schemes allowed him to make a buck on them but while he had access in stole things like literally hundreds of millions of email addresses in order to do math spam scheme, they use that same information for intelligence purposes for things like surveillance before Ukraine. So that was that was a fascinating case as well, and then there was an Iranian attack. On our financial sector where they essential I remember that guess. Yeah. That's We we worked on that. Exactly. And then, and you remember the in addition to the attack on the financial sector, which essentially they made. Hundreds of thousands of compromised computers into a cyber weapons of mass destruction. They also hacked the Bowman Dam, right? New? York. I don't know if we've ever talked about what's your theory as to why they hit the moment damn. I don't have one other than it seemed like it was an easier thing to do it. May We're trying their hand I mean I don't mean to be a sort of dry run theorists like we talked about at the beginning with the twitter hack but you know I, think people if you're if you're a general criminal, you're going through neighborhood in your engaging kind of crime. Robbing People's houses if there's a car in the driveway, maybe I should think about that and you can take a shot. I don't know what you think. Yeah. I've had I've had that whether a theory of vacillates dry run just to fill people in who aren't tracking on it. So this was part of the same Iranian group that attacked our financial sector to to try to knock online banking offline so as a Consumer you couldn't reach your bank. They also hacked into this damn in in Westchester in New York and the access this lose control system. So they'd be able to open and shut the dam and flood this surrounding area now as it so happens the them was down for maintenance wasn't working but I think, I remember Prima agreeing at the time that are crumbling infrastructure should not be our first line of of cyber defense. But it's it's not the biggest. Damn. So there is a lot of questions. About why would they hit that particular damn. Now, I've always one theory is that there was a there is another bowman dam that is of significance is because they don't know America very well, and they're operating offshore that they hit the wrong bowman dam, but I'd. Never fully had an answer as to why they wanted control their. Final question before you go who's GonNa play you in the movie. The. Thing about okay. Going back to the problem clearly clearly thought about this, you have an answer. But the plea clearly the. Although I will say my. Nickname growing up for awhile was Ferris because of a movie that your listeners also probably that familiar with anymore fails spillers day off and Matthew Broderick was as big. Hacker. Guy. Names at the time. AND INFLUENCED RHINO Back, from nineteen, eighty three. Hello You still, plane king. Of calls I should reach gift gun lung and Launch Tonight missiles in twenty eight hours. Would you like to see some projected kill ratios? Sixteen nine percent of the housing destroyed. Seventy two million people dead. This. Game. Or is it real? What's the difference. That was one of the. It's a big moment for cyber. Policy. Historians because and cyber fiction. Ronald Reagan seeing that movie asked his team. Hey, could this happen in the answer turned out to be yes and it was the first big initiative on cyber son of that. But that was when they house. Yeah. Drove it. So fiction can make a difference. But that's a nice note ended because that's a kind kind of thing. That you're going to be talking about on the cyberspace podcast. I'm very excited about this. John. I think for a long time there's a lot of confusion and there are a lot of myths around. Cyber Threat and a lot of people think you know it seems to complicate it. It's something for the it people to care about and I don't really understand it and that's just not true. A lot of common sense. Things that ordinary people can learn about it and people who need to be able to protect their companies in their homes and their livelihood in their bank accounts. So I consider what you're about to do to be real great public service. So so thanks for doing I'm glad we're working together again really looking forward to the opportunity. Thanks. I. Hope my conversation. John Carlin has piqued your interest in the fascinating world of cyber as mentioned for the First Episode of Cyberspace John. SPEAKS WITH ALEX stamos prior to serving as facebook. Officer during Russia's assault on our democracy, same held that role at Yahoo when the company experienced a series of cyber attacks from nation states resulting the breach of some billion user accounts. Most is now helping zoom with its cyber security challenges exacerbated by the company's exponential growth during the pandemic it's compelling discussion and I hope you'll check it out. You can do so for free by heading to cafe dot com slash. To sign up and we'll send you a link to listen again. That's cafe dot com slash cyber.

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Day 799: Trump hits Dems as AG Barr says reacted Mueller report will come out in April

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

45:29 min | 2 years ago

Day 799: Trump hits Dems as AG Barr says reacted Mueller report will come out in April

"Tonight. The attorney general has issued a clarification we are now told the Muller report is several hundred pages long. He says we the people can expect a redacted version by mid April problem is that's not going to cut it for Democrats in congress. Plus, a former ambassador to Russia is with us to talk about what it was like in front of Adam shifts house Intel committee when the political divide verse wide open and the president begins another Florida weekend claiming he's been exonerated and threatening to shut down our southern border all of it. As the eleventh hour gets underway on a Friday night. Well, good evening. Once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, seven nine hundred nine of the Trump administration, and it may be proof that our attorney general has a working television and has seen some of the coverage of the last words, he spoke to an anxious American public his four page letter on Sunday, which is after all all we have to go on absent the actual Muller report today after six days of non-stop coverage the anger among Democrats who aren't allowed to see the report the president declaring himself exonerated. We have heard yet again from the attorney general he corrects the record of it, given the reaction to his last letter, which he now seeks to remind us was not an exhaustive. Recounting of the special counsel's investigation bar goes on to say he plans to release the Muller report by mid April. If not sooner and he doesn't plan to give. Trump an advance copy for review he says, it's nearly four hundred pages long, and that he is available to testify to congress about it. In early may in Florida today. The president was asked about it. Greg confidence in the attorney general. And if that's what he'd like to do. I have nothing to hide the response was a bit more subdued than the message. He sent out a few hours later, and we quote, no matter what the radical left. Democrats get no matter what we give them. It will never be enough. Just watched they will and some capitals here, harass and complain and resist. So maybe we should just take our victory and say, no, we've got a country to run more on that tidbit later, perhaps the most notable part of bars new letter about Muller's findings involves what we will not see he writes that he's working with the special counsel. So Robert Muller after his job is done is still consulting to identify and redact or omit the following material subject to federal rule of criminal procedure six e which can't be made public more about that in a moment. Material compromising intelligence sources and methods material affecting ongoing investigations, including those referred by Muller to other DOJ offices material infringing on privacy or reputation of peripheral third parties. And that could mean a whole lot of people about that criminal procedure rule. Six e here is how Fox News legal analyst, Andrew Napolitano, explained its relevance to the content of Muller's report. Es says if there's information in their negative to a person who was not charged. That information cannot be released vats what the Democrats want. This is where I think Adam Schiff is right. There are materials in there that point towards guilt. There are just not nearly enough of them to reach the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt for his part Rudy Giuliani said tonight, he still wants the full report to come out, adding this grace note, and we quote, if we have a few nasty facts in there. I'm ready to slam it down their throat bars letter of today was sent to the chairman of the judiciary committee's house and Senate. The man running the house committee, Jerry Nadler of New York responded in a statement that read in part, quote, congress requires the full and complete Muller report without reductions as well as access to the underlying evidence by April. To that deadline still stands it is critical for attorney general bar to come before congress immediately to explain the rationale behind his letter Washington Post reports that House Democrats are gearing up to accuse bar of a cover up. If the finding of if the findings he releases aren't complete one how staff member told the post, quote, if he does not include grand jury in formation in the summary or report or redacted report, or whatever he gives to congress that amounts to a cover up. We do not want anything in the words of the attorney general we wanna see Robert Muller's words one of the key questions. Many hope that Muller's report will answer is why Trump was able to avoid an interview a sit down interview with the special counsel. You'll recall he was allowed to submit written answers. Instead here is how his former White House lawyer Ty Cobb responded when asked about that by Kristen Welker today. Why didn't the president ever sit for an interview with the special counsel preceded by written questions, and none of them have actually provided the degree of cooperation that this White House did, and I think it was a good compromise reached side to be able to proceed by written questions. But it prevented it prevented a nine to fifteen months court battle that wouldn't have generated much information. I think that there were genuine concerns at some point that based on on the negotiations that they had to get the scope to a reasonable to a reasonable point in order to be confident that the president could answer answer the questions factually, our contributor, Frank Figliuzzi who happens to be former FBI assistant director for counter intelligence told Nicole Wallace the safter noon where he believes we may learn the real answer to that question. I think the answer is in the appendices. And here's why from what I know about how Muller works on these very sensitive issues is he will memorialize this for the record. But it's not likely that it's in the body of the report, let's would that bring in our leadoff panel on a Friday night. Former US attorney Joyce Vance who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor, Brian Bennett senior White House correspondent for time magazine. And Jeremy bash former chief of staff at the CIA and the Pentagon also happens to be former chief counsel of the house Intel committee, and Jeremy I'll start with you. What was the headline of that letter today in your mind? Well, I think first of all with respect to material will be withheld because it could compromise intelligence sources and methods, of course, the congressional intelligence committees the committee led by Adam Schiff and the Senate committee as well can't have access to that. Because of course, anything in the possession of the intelligence community can go to the hill. So I think. Congress will see that. I don't know how much of that will ultimately be made public. But the other headline I think Brian was the notion that the attorney general is going to make a decision about protecting quote peripheral third parties, and that could be anybody that could be done junior could be Jared, Nevada. It could be other campaign staff could be other people in the Trump inner circle. And I think it will be more prudent. I think public interest will be better served as if Bill bar actually wasn't the person doing the redacting. He's a presidential appointee. He was handpicked by Donald Trump for this role. It would be better if the career professionals at DOJ did those reductions and not the political appointee Joyce fans, I know the phrase in our language, isn't that the devil is in the appendices. But in this case, it might as well be. Let's take Frank fig Lucy's point about Muller likely memorializing all the fact gathering he did done Mcgann spent just to take one witness spend, thirty hours talk. Going to the mother folks, you talk for thirty hours type it out with legal spacing that's dozens if not hundreds of pages right there. Imagine. How many attachments and appendices this case has? You know, I think a big part of the news excuse me. A big part of the news today. It wasn't very sexy. But it was finding out how many pages were involved molars report learning that it was almost four hundred pages. And that that didn't include the exhibits in the appendices. They were in addition to that when the FBI does these investigations, they write down a report of interview for every witness that they talk to it's called an FBI three. Oh two, and it's a pretty complete recitation of the conversation that could be thousands upon thousands of pages of additional evidence. We don't know if that will be transferred to congress as part of the molar report, but it'll be critical for congress to have access to all of that raw data to aid their investigation and to permit them to engage into oversight. Brian Bennett is this not risky by house. Democrats to put their foot down and insist on April second doesn't the AG have the ability to kind of. Call them together and say, look, you don't want me to do this. There are names in here. It's not ready. Let me go through the process, and we'll talk about it, then well, the attorney general William bar, he has shown himself to be this big umbrella over Donald Trump, and he is planning to take his time. And look at the report and make reductions he's going to be under tremendous pressure to lead as much in the report as possible way hands it to congress, but we're going to have to see how that plays out. I mean, Jerry Nadler is said I wanna see the report on Tuesday, and you should come and testify immediately about this and. Bars. Saying look I need to do a responsible job of addressing all of these concerns and make sure that the report is handled in an appropriate way. I mean other thing that he will be redacting or looking at redacting considering redacting is information that deals with cases that are ongoing. So if he does handover report to congress, it has a lot of reductions there could be an assumption that that means that there's a lot of other cases that overlap with the Muller case and Joyce as this date gets more real as we can really envision when we're going to get our hands on whatever's left of the four hundred pages. Do you anticipate the president and his lawyers again Rudy Giuliani has latest tonight said let let it out. Let's release the report do you think they're going to still be that brave as the data broaches? I think it's unlikely that they'll continue to put up that brave front. You know, the president has never hesitated to shift courses midstream. When he thinks it's to his advantage. And as this date looms larger the idea that for instance, the Don Mcgann interviewed that you reference or Bob molars conversation with hope Hicks that all of that material, or at least most of it is going to go up on the hill, and maybe have public release that's going to increasingly way on the president. And we'll see if he perhaps tries to exert executive privilege down the road germy the great thing. If you ask the president about his rallies, and the crowds attracted to them is no one stands up and interrupts and fact, check fact check. So when he said he did last night that he was completely exonerated, the collusion delusion. There was no one there to object. Does this letter today change anything about the parameters surrounding Donald Trump's contention? Yeah. And I think this is the president central problem here is that he's had his. Headline had entire episode already pass from last Sunday is only gonna go downhill from here as we in the public. Learn more about the facts of what's in the report. After all the report wasn't sort of a binary question. You know, who shot JR was it personnel or person why this is a report about a body of information Abbadi of evidence. So I think Muller will show a lot of troubling conduct a lot of suspicious conduct a lot of kind of that may we may think is unpatriotic or even shameful wrongful. But it didn't rise to a level of a criminal violation of the federal election statute that doesn't mean let's go look very good on the president wants us all made public. Thanks, by the way, for dating us all with the JR reference. Hey, Brian another way of making the point. Jeremy just touched on a do the days get worse by necessity from here on out for the president as this gets more and more real, maybe it's a much more flimsy. Thing that he says he's been totally exonerated look over time warned more details are going to come about out about what's in the report. And that means more and more focus and attention and narrative about what connections there were between Russia, and the Trump campaign a lot of that is already in the public domain. But the next several weeks causes a moment for that to be dredged backup and rehash and that is not good for the president. And what's happening here is that there's a demand for information that Muller found out to go into the public domain. Why? Because we have an election coming up in twenty twenty and voters need to know what they're sitting president did during his campaign and fill in the details and the gaps between the information that that's already come out during the molar indictments Joyce. Can I close with you? With a stunningly naive. Question is Robert Muller gonna let bad things happen to his work product is their pride of authorship? Is there a sense? Of being protective over the last two years of his life. He does have a seat at the table now during the editing and redaction process, he's likely to be called before congress as well. Moeller has a very simple job here. It's a prosecutor's job. It's not a political job. He's not a historian his his not a savior his job is to conduct an investigation, and then to make a prosecutive decision about whether people should be indicted as a result of that investigation. The decision maker here needs to think about his legacy and about the American people is William Barr who was hired after submitting this nine thousand nine page memo to the president that really pre answered questions that the president wanted to have answered about obstruction of Justice in a way that the president wanted to see those answers. And now we're about to find out is bar the president's lawyer or is he the people's lawyer? He's supposed to be the people's lawyer where we seem to say this every Friday what a year it's been this week. We're much obliged to joys. Vance to Brian Bennett to Jeremy bash. Thank you, the three of you so much for starting off on this Friday night and coming up for us. Our next guest had a front row seat to one of the big confrontations on Capitol Hill this week and later President Trump warns he's not playing games he threatens to close down our southern border. We'll have two of our best journalists tell us what they're hearing about this political strategy post Muller as the eleventh hour is just getting started on a springtime Friday night. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Bill for his confirmation said, I will be as transparent as possible. As much as the law or policy would allow if he was true. To those words as Jerry Nadler said he wouldn't be saying, I'm cutting all the grand jury material he would be saying congress, I'm going to court tomorrow to seek their permission to send it all to you. That was in this very studio tonight, the house Intel chairman, Adam Schiff, speaking to Rachel maddow's chairmanship has become a favourite target for the president and Republican members of congress following the conclusion of the Muller investigation on Thursday, Republican straight up called for his resignation during a hearing congressman Schiff immediately made clear he would not resign and laid out what he sees as deeply troubling pattern of conduct from Trump and Trump associates related to Russia during the two thousand sixteen campaign just tonight. It was brought to our attention that shift t shirts are for sale on the official Trump campaign website depicting him with clown features our next guest witness this. Leaks. Partisan outburst. He was sitting in the hearing room, and he was there to testify Blat. Amir Putin's influence in our world and our elections. You use your five minutes to speak. You attack me in your opening statement? And I I have not had an uptick responded, all especially to your statements of what we think because no one over here thinks that no one over here. Ms Turkey or not recognized investment fall you recognized. Thank you, Mr Chairman. And that man is with us now. Mike McFaul former US ambassador to Russia. I I'm happy you can smile now. Tell us why you were there and Bassett or what it was like to be there. I that was quite an introduction. Right after all that argument pivoted to me to end, it all I was there to testify about Putin's use of money and the oligarchs and intelligence to influence political outcomes abroad that was our assignment I got a very detailed letter from the intelligence committee staff address asking us to address certain questions, and that's what I was there to do. And then the Republican Devon Nunez who had of course, before the Democrats won the house, bend, the chairman of the committee opened up an interrogation of you. He asked you questions about Carter page about fusion GPS about the Steele dossier. What was he getting at was he trying to infer you're working for the other team? I guess so Brian. I mean, I've testified many many times over decades in the US congress. I've never been interrogated like that the insinuation was somehow I had committed some wrongdoing, of course, I've had nothing to do with all those people. And I said that although I did say when he asked me how to ever met embassador key slack. I said yes met him many times because I worked at the White House as you know, for three years I dealt with key slack on diplomatic issues. And then I he was my counterpart. So that was also odds like I surely a member of congress would would have known that it's easy to Google and find images of us. But I think he wanted to link me to this this conspiracy that they are trying to connect dots to of somehow corruption around the Steele dossier and the Feis. Process that led to the monitoring of Carter page, but that's my theory. I don't I actually don't know. It was a very bizarre experience to be interrogated that way because of your unique portfolio your life's work. You bring a unique view of this whole case as we've discussed with you in real time for the better part of two years. What do you Mike McFaul want to see what aspects of the Muller report? Are you waiting to thumb to an read? So I want to remind your listeners your viewers, Brian that if you go back and you look at his two indictments of the Russians both the GRU, the Russian military intelligence officers, and then the internet research agency, the group that was putting propaganda and falsely appearing as Americans on websites and even in person, we learned an incredible amount about the Russian operation to influence voters in two thousand sixteen but those weren't the only two things that Russians did. And I suspect Mr. Muller now is the most expert person in the world on what Russia tried to do in terms of influencing voters in two thousand sixteen I hope he documented at all in that report. So that we can diagnose what happened with respect to the Russians. So that we can then move to the prescriptive phase and make sure it never happens again, especially in twenty twenty do you look at him as the one guy walking around today who. Maybe has the standing and moral authority and experience and resume to calm the waters and his his word can be the closest thing we have in this debate to gospel. I hope so you know, I hope the report will be as details as I would expect it to be I used to work with Bob Muller. When I was in the government. He's a very thorough guy. And the main thing I would hope and I said this at the hearing yesterday, I am so tired of Americans polarizing, which should be a national security issues. I used to work for the national Security Council. I didn't work for that democratic Security Council. There's no such thing as democratic or a Republican security other policy issues. There are right. There's winners and losers you can support that. But when we're attacked our foreign enemies are not tacking one or the other. We're our nation's attacked. And so I hope that the report will help to get us back together to deal with the prescriptions because we've done next to nothing to prevent a similar attack from happening in twenty twenty. And remember, it's not just the Russians. Everybody's watched now Putin's playbook. Lots of. Other actors could be doing the same thing. We've got to come together as Americans to protect our national interests are former ambassador to Russia. Mike McFaul embassador. Thank you as always very much for coming on serving. Thanks for coming up tonight. New reporting on how the Trump campaign plans to use the Muller report to win a second term. All of the current and former officials who paid for promoted and perpetuated the single greatest hoax in the history of politics in our country. They have to be I'm sorry. They have to be accountable. Anybody else there? Get a hint of revenge served cold that was the president's message at last night's rally in Michigan. According to new reporting from any Carney and Maggie Haberman over at the New York Times, quote, Mr. Trump is focused on vengeance. After the end of the investigation led by the special counsel and his campaign. Aides are indulging him attacking the Democrats who have sought to investigate him and the reporters who have written about it earlier today. Trump resurrected yet, another favourite. We have right now. Two Vig caravans coming up from Guatemala, massive caravans walkie, right through Mexico. So Mexico's tough they can stop them, but they chose not to now they gonna stop and if they don't stop with closing the border, they'll close it. We'll we'll keep the close for a long time. I'm not playing games. Interesting. See Marco Rubio a nodding in agreement there for a moment and to be clear. This would mean shutting down all trade with Mexico, which amounts to almost two billion dollars a day back with us tonight. Jonathan Allen NBC news, national political reporter and anti Carney White House reporter for the New York Times, so anti there's no other way to put this is this going to be all base all the time. It's not a great way to win new customers. But we've been wrong about that in the past. I guess the president has shown very little interested in winning new customers. And this is a tension. That's gonna play out with his campaign. His twenty twenty. Campaign which Maggie I toured this week in writing that story. You just mentioned is a real operation real traditional operation, building, a huge field operation and much more real campaign than they had in two thousand fifteen what hasn't changed is the candidate they're working with and they will acknowledge that they don't have any control over the message of this campaign. And so what we saw last night was a good preview of what's going to happen. He did you know his vengeance against Muller. And he even started a drain. The swamp trench kind of trying to hearken back to that. Outsider. The sticky had last time around what she doesn't have is an incumbent president controls the entire apparatus the Republican party, and he's going to hit this molar probe as a way to even. They said that it's useful to even the playing field in terms of credibility, which the president is low in terms of all the factors. We've done for two years. But this can main that the media's credibility, and the democratic opponents credibility is also low. Hey, john. I know, you know, the phrase there's always a tweet in this case, I'm talking about a Rick Wilson tweet he has just passed five hundred thousand followers this week and not for nothing. This was Wednesday. Aren't we do for caravan? Maybe we should ask Rick who wins the final four to place our wagers now. It's Friday, we have two caravans John. What are we to do with this? Well, there are no shortage of new customers for Rick Wilson on Twitter. So he can continue expanding his field of potential. Supporters of the caravans are. Something that President Trump continues to turn to he's a president and a candidate who talks in terms of nostalgia. So I'll hearken back to yesteryear a little bit and say that this campaign is looking at lot like fear and loathing on the campaign trail, you're getting fear about the caravans. You're getting loathing of his political opponents this attempt to undermine Adam Schiff, Jerry, Nadler, the media, basically, anybody who could operate as a check on him or pursue the leads that Robert Muller. Robert Muller has uncovered that we will see uncovered. I think when we finally see this report, but the caravans are something that's important to him. And and something that he is going to continue to stress. He's gonna talk about building the wall. We're going to see him go to the border. He says and show him building the new wall with the money that he reappropriated from congress, even as that fight is going on in the courts. So buckle up. We're going to get a lot of the same. But maybe at a higher speed. And Anne, I note that you and Maggie. Buried a little eye toward the end of your story when you reported that the president's Ben tired quoting aids that says that say he he was pushing back against the addition of a campaign stop that's not going to go over. Well, that's not going to go over. Well, and that might be a line in there that that the president doesn't like to read and we asked to and gets out there on the road who's to say. Yeah, there has been some, you know, this unstoppable candidate who used to do at the end of last cycle for rallies a day has not has had been forced to do it. And we talked about this rally that they wanted to do that he may end up adding back, but it's notable that it's only because the campaign is trying to push them to do it. It's not because he wants to do it. So there's a little exhaustion that again that could change. He did a lot of campaigning before the midterms. Just to the caravan point. He did a lot of talking about the caravans before the midterms and that message. Did not help the Republicans keep the house it maybe it's different when Trump's actually on the ballot. If but he seems to be ready to go the same message. But for now, he's not dying to get out there and do three rallies a day. I wonder if anyone will call him low energy. Hey, John, considering the president converted a four page letter containing Centene fry sentence fragments from Muller into total exoneration did he have about the best week. He could have had in current time. I don't think there's been a better week for the president since he took office in terms of having an opportunity free and clear given to him by his attorney general to go out and make the case that he's the victim as he did last night of what he said was a left-wing deep state conspiracy to deny the legitimacy of his election to prevent his agenda from moving forward and to prevent him from becoming a two term president. Now that was a four page letter from the attorney general that the attorney general is already starting to soften as he talks again to congress about what's forthcoming. We will see what the mother report actually shows the way the president has described what bar said in his first letter is on true. It's not a total exoneration, even though seconds France fragments of sentences that you talked about do not talk about total exoneration. In fact, say the opposite in terms of obstruction of Justice. And there are two presidents who have been impeached by the house of represented. Lives. And I'm not saying the house will impeach President Trump to who have been peach by the house of representatives who would tell you that impeachment does not necessarily have to be done in conjunction with things that the president would be held accountable for in a criminal court. President Bill Clinton was not convicted of any crimes, but was impeached. Andrew Johnson was impeached. Again, did not serve any prison sentence with big tips of the hat to both hundred Thompson on Maggie Haberman. Our thanks on a Friday night to Jon Allen, and anti Carney, two of our returning veterans. Appreciate it very much guys. Thank you. And coming up for us. We ask two of the most widely published historians of our time. If there's any hope for what one of our guests describes as a new age of enlightenment in this post Muller era that when we come back. Great. Attempt by the democrat party and the fake news media right back there. The deep state. Do you overturn the results of that twenty six teen election have failed? The Democrats have to now decide whether they will continue defrauding the public with ridiculous bullshit. So that happened in Michigan last night that's new and our public discourse. And the rest of it yet. Another example of the president's unique embrace of tribalism is attacks on the other anyone everyone who's going against him are not new, but one of our next guest suggests each side view this moment in history as a learning opportunity in an article for time, Jon Meacham writes, quote, we tend to assess events not in the light of reason. But with the flames of partisan, passion, what we make a given moment is governed less by merits and details and more by the mores and demands of our particulate political tribe. We welcome to the broadcast tonight. Evan Thomas editor at large at Newsweek. His new book is first Sandra Day O'Connor and intimate portrait of the first woman supreme court Justice. Our discussion on that forthcoming and are returning champion, the aforementioned, Jon Meacham. Pulitzer prize winning author and historian his latest work co authored with Tim McGraw is songs of America due out June eleventh because it had been a couple of weeks since John's laughed John you get to go first. Let's talk about mores is this thing. Now, are are we going to have to put our language warning on our president's speeches FDR didn't talk like this forty one didn't talk like this Obama didn't talk like this. Yes, we are in that's been evident. I think for three or four years to look now to the presidency for the kind of moral guidance that we've been used to looking for is a pointless exercise. Hopefully, this is a temporary passing thing. But there's no doubt in my mind that President Trump is defining the presidency down. We know that the presidency hasn't changed him. What we don't know yet is whether he's changed the presidency with any kind of permanent to kind of permanent effect Evans. Same question. Well, that is the question that has has degraded has made it normal to be profane in the presidency has has a normalized degradation. Hope not this country's come back from a lot Jon Meacham to the expert on this. But we've it's been you know, we've had a lot of bad periods of people have misbehaved and and broad low in office. And each time somebody's come along to make it better and Evan is that going to be the forest, you think will it be an individual who gets us back to true north in this in this hazy future, we're talking about or will we will it be a public longing for standards and mores and the way we used to be usually it's a crisis something terrible happens and somebody comes forward FDR. There are lots of examples Lincoln, some somebody rises to the occasion, America's had a wonderful gift for finding leaders in low times who make it better. I don't know what the crisis is going to be. I don't know who the leader is going to be. But I have faith that if. The crisis comes somebody will rise to it not more than one person the country will rise to it. But but through leadership, John what about the drumbeat of crises? We have not one but two new caravans heading to the border that the president is is threatening to shut to our south. Right. I think that to go to the leadership followership point in this go straight to the president's attempts to find an enemy, even if there isn't one to invent or at least exacerbate threats to create this sense of urgency that we would then presumably need him to resolve even though he's creating it leadership is really only possible in a democracy when followers make it so we we've undertaken the most complicated kind of human experiment in America for two and a half centuries. Now continues to go forward, we are the most human form of government. You would think offhand that a monarch would be because that's a human be in government. But in. In fact, beginning with Plato running all the way through Machiavelli, James, Madison. A Republic is in fact that most human undertaking because our dispositions apart in mind, yours and mine matter in the public square, and the presidency has been most effective not when president has come down like fourteen broths, or like marvel superhero for from the sky, but when someone in power has truly reflected the voices of the powerless. And so when the president is states curses in front of X number of thousands of people. He's really reflecting a broader degradation of the culture. So it's up to us to make possible to incentivize leaders to try to return to a certain kind of dignity, and a certain kind of reason do we really believe does reason tell us that there are caravans coming to take away. What we have. I've if it does then there's a rational political response you can support the president. If that seems to you over heated, and perhaps mighty convenient. It probably is. And my argument is one of the essential elements of citizenship is to take data way it and don't just reflexively follow one person or another but actually make up our own minds, and then figure out what's the best vessel to make that broader experience come to pass to our audience. Both of these gentlemen, have agreed to stay with us as we fit in a break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about someone very important, the trail-blazing woman who's plays in US history and US jurisprudence are assured, but we are now seeing in a whole new light when we come back. Kevin Thomas and Jon Meacham remain. With us fans of old school journalism will know both gentlemen, while still young men are veterans of Newsweek, the old original Newsweek and the only word I left out of Evans title of editor at large was former both are widely published historians as we noted this is one of the odd weeks in the calendar year. One Jon Meacham does not have a new book out and Evan does. And what a book it is. It is in my hand. It is called first Sandra Day O'Connor and intimate. Portrait of the first woman supreme court Justice Evan. I gotta say I am enjoying every page of this. I am up to let's call it pillow gates something I remember from contemporary history, which we won't explain we'll force people to buy the book and understand what Hello gate is. I have one question that that swerves in and out of my reading of every chapter could she be confirmed today? Probably not to moderate to reasonable to use Jon Meacham criteria. And she's not doctrinaire ideological. She was confirmed ninety nine to nothing. You don't find that today? She was a personnel of the center she valued that she valued common sense and reason she really didn't like doctrine or did she didn't like rigid doctrine. She was somebody who could make make a deal even on the supreme court of principal deal. But a deal I just came across a scene to readings ago where she's taking a winter walk as she liked to do with her clerks and staff someone goes to steady her elbow and ineffective. She swats away their hand which seeks to her cantankerous nece, and her independence it the portrait you draw lets us believe that absent her upbringing and humanity. She she wouldn't have been who she was. She wouldn't have been the jurists. She was she up on a ranch one hundred sixty thousand acres really taught herself reliance taught her to be an independent thank air. She could be ornery. She could be tough. But she could also be loving one of the stories. I really like in the book is is Clarence Thomas told me Justice Thomas was when he came on the court after the Anita hearing the hill hearings, which are pretty pretty harsh. He said Justice Thomas said I felt hammered and Justice o'conner walked with me and said, you know, those hearings they were really damaging and Thomas didn't know what to say damaging to him. Oh, of course. But the next day Justice o'conner walked again with Justice Thomas and said, you gotta come to lunch and the next day. You gotta come to lunch. You gotta come. She made him come to lunch. And he said it changed everything for him. He didn't feel alone. He didn't feel like an outsider anymore. He felt part of a group. Sh he told me that she was the glue that kept the court together. Jon Meacham, I thought of you today because Jim McGrath former Bush forty one spokesman tweeted closing the office of George H W Bush after twenty six years ninety five hundred plus days of service to the greatest man and woman, any of us will ever know what an honor truly and to serve with such loyal devoted colleagues. Made it all the more special. Of course, the the cause goes on what you and Evan have in Tom have in common is Sandra Day O'Connor is family opened up diaries. They had no secrets and you had that same access to forty one whose death kind of book ends this period. We're in. It does. And I'm glad you showed that no greater man was ever served by greater group of people there in Houston, and one of the things that is. So remarkable what Evans book is. And I was lucky enough with that she say with President Bush is you actually get inside the private thoughts of people who wanted you to think a lot of the time. They didn't have any private thoughts. And one of the one of the things about President Bush was has he used to say nobody wants to hear the present United States wine all the time. Gee, that's somewhat relevant. You know, your your you've climbed the highest mountain in the world people people want you. They look to you for calm in a storm. And I think the same is true Justice o'conner, and what happens done so brilliantly here is given us this complicated. Portrait of this woman. Who I think wanted us to see her as this tough westerner? This pragmatic person who like all of us is an immensely complicated to figure and the fact that she was truly the first before Ruth Bader Ginsburg before RPG there was SOC and the the value of this book is that you find this wonderfully complex woman who changed American history. The first woman on the supreme court. This is the book in my hand appropriately titled, I the author Evan Thomas with us tonight. As is our friend, Jon Meacham, gentlemen. Thank you both so much for coming on on a Friday night. We really appreciate it and coming up even entire societies. Sometimes need to be reminded what? Makes them great. Last thing before we go tonight. There were people in the streets and parks and squares of London today another perilous day for the United Kingdom where everything but civil order and t- service appear to have fallen apart. These are terrible days for one of the great nations on earth parliament has been through more Brexit votes than we can reliably recount here originally, this was supposed to be the night of the British exit from the EU that's gone by the boards. The prime minister has offered to resign. And she liked it will have to soon, but it's almost immaterial at this point. No one knows where Britain is headed. It's a terrible spectacle for the whole world to watch. So we thought it might be high time to remind Great Britain. Why it's great and who better to do that really then one of their own former prime minister, Hugh Grant. We may be a small country. We're a great one too. Country of Shakespeare. The beatles. Gunnery harry. David Beckham's right foot. They comes with. A friend who bullies. He's not under and since bullies only respond to strength now on would I will be strong. And the president should be prepared for that. Is what British greatness looks like right there. And it was a message. You'll know president Billy Bob Thornton. No doubt needed to hear a sentiment. We hope Great Britain keeps in mind facing as it is this great challenge ahead for them. That is our broadcast for a Friday night and for this week. Thank you. So very much for being here with us. Good night from NBC news headquarters here in New York. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe.

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Ep. 895 - The Democrats Are Covering Up Obamagate, Refuse To Open Economy

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Ep. 895 - The Democrats Are Covering Up Obamagate, Refuse To Open Economy

"Democrats have announced their new plan to reopen the economy. Never so that no one will die until everyone is dead and the economy will come back after it ceases to exist which will be trump's fault. The forty billion dollar plan will make it impossible for anyone to go to work so that no one will pay taxes and those taxes. No one pays will be used to send relief to people who are out of work. So they'll be able to pay taxes. Which will be used to give the money? Democrats feel their plan will help the campaign of Joe Biden by making Biden's debris non sequiturs seem rational. In comparison to the plan once elected Biden movie placed in the Oval Office where he'll be water twice a day so that the birds can nest in his branches speaker of the House Nancy. Pelosi came out from behind her palace. Wall stepped over the homeless people lining the sidewalks of her district strode proudly through the rubble of what was San Francisco and held a press conference among the proud and thriving corpses of her constituents telling a cult of worshipful reporters quote only snarling. Rightwing Doodoo. Head WOULD WANNA go back to work or have a life. When people are actually dying in this country of viruses and old age and traffic accidents each of those lives is to infinitely precious for us to be able to make money and eat meals when they are being ruthlessly destroyed by Donald Trump who I pray for every day Unquote Pelosi then proposed a seventy million dollar aid package fall from the sky like silver rain and said anyone who opposed. It must not care about poor people. Meanwhile angry commentators on CNN are demanding a new law that would make it racist to call murder Hornets Asian just because they happen to be yellow have strangely shaped is and are trying to kill us. Sugar Wanting Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew Klavan show Also say Thompson Zippy's so wonderful. Who you know. We got asked on one of the comments if we can start releasing my opening monologue delivered with such professionalism and seriousness a separate videos and you can find them on the Andrew Klavan Youtube Channel. My particular Youtube Channel Andrew Klavan On Youtube we will release those openings every day. We also have a comment. I also like this. That that question was from Lane Bristow We also have a comment on the youtube channel from off. Peter Shoot which is Just a little song. Save the cliven day or night. Save the cliven. Fear no fight save. The Clark is true. Save the clave in me and you. I think that that was A. It's a beautiful beautiful sentiment. Guess reaction from cars and cameras. This goal should be what we are focusing attention on saving. The CLEVELAND IS OUR GENERATION'S WORLD WAR. Two to which will replies cars think World War. Two is too small to be compared to save the Clayton. I'm glad someone is having fun on the show. All right One of our key themes this week has been what I call narrative distortion and I know a lot about narrative distortion because it's a trick. Novelist US When WE WANNA guide people on what they feel and see the story and what was happening of course news media's they use it on nonfiction attempting to align facts to make them express what they want them to instead of what the facts just express and narrative distortion takes a lot of forms. There's reporting non-representative events as if they were representative. I talked about that the other day. The shooting of black men in Georgia by two white men is interesting story but it doesn't represent a general problem or issue that needs solving. It's just a crime and reporting the story at a national level is a holdover technique from the corrupt Obama Gate Administration. Which used these kinds of stories to distract black people from the fact that they were being ignored by the Obama Administration so yesterday we got a particularly egregious form of narratives distortion which at the hearing Where Dr Voucher testifying before the Senate he said basically what he said was trump and I work together well and we've created a phased plan to reopen the country and we should follow that plan because we can't wait for a vaccine which may never come he also said if we didn't follow the plan it could cause spikes and setbacks and he was more cautious sounding than trump. Here's the headline from the New York Times about this. A former newspaper health experts at odds with trump paint grim picture of months ahead and the thing is trump is also painted a grim picture. But he just says we have to be brave. We have to be warriors and face this. So we can reopen the economy and falconry basically saying the same thing but he's saying it from the other direction another way fouts. She's narrative was distorted was by creating the impression that he's the only person on trump's team who matters which is even he says is not true he says you know. I'm a public health official. And he's not for instance studying the fact that the schools don't reopen poor children will fall behind because they don't have parents who can necessarily educate them at home and working moms can't go back to work because their kids aren't in school so it's a multi-faceted problem when we have to look at it from many sides and not just vouchers and I don't like the fact the FAO she gets hit for this because I think what he says is basically the truth the greatest narrative distortion though of the greatest narrative distortion of all is silence. 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How he's still claiming they don't tell you all right you know. I'm feeling tremendously optimistic today. Which I think I'll talk about in just a minute. But the thing. The thing is is news about the Chinese flu yesterday in reopening it and that probably should be lead story. And why do I keep leading with Obama Gate and it is because I feel? This is the biggest political scandal. It's means shape up to be the beginning biggest political scandal my lifetime and they're working very hard to make this go down the memory hole and that should tell you that should tell you that it is a threat to your freedom more important than what's happening with the flu which. I believe there are possible. Potential threats down the road and also people who are overreacting now but the real threat is having this Democrat machine. Get back into office. If you don't think that the media is trying to cover this up here is the the premier female journalists in America. Brian stelter trying to cover this up and how he covered it before when he thought he had trump and his lights on Robert Muller Russia Muller investigators the Russian investigation trump's Russell and Robert the real Russia's story Russia pro ongoing Russia Probe Brush Investigation Foot Muller in the Russia Pro Russia synergies a wonder if Russia has compromising information on the president. What is the source for? The president's claim that they have found no collusion with Russia. You misspell collusion every day. We're trying to keep track of the drip drip drip of the Russia drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip trump and Russia to see whether trump was secretly working for Russia to bring it back to Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia. Russia Robert Muller Robert Mueller Special Counsel Robert. Muller Mother Mullet Robert Muller. Robert Muller Muller Muller report believe that he's colluding with Russia. I wish I could just say no a joke now. Now Brian stelter saying we. Right-wingers are obsessed with this. We're obsessed with it. Why are we obsessed with it? This should tell you something. This should tell you something. When the media covers stuff up your freedom imperil. That's where your freedom is in peril. It's worse than when they're attacking you for trying to reopen your neighborhood and your shop. So why feeling optimistic. I woke up this morning. I was feeling really good and I had to ask myself You know what that is because it's only a feeling feeling good that doesn't really mean anything And it doesn't have anything to do with what will happen next. And the reason I thought about. It is over the past three to five days. I've had a number of conversations with conservative French. And when you talk to conservatives you always get the worst possible version of things. And why is that well because that's conservatives natural bent that's why they're conservatives they're conservative because they see how if you pull the string the stars? Fall Down Right. They can always trace the constellation of disaster. And we need people to do that. We need people. Don't see we'RE DANGEROUS ARE COMING FROM. And that's part of evolution. Obviously the guy who sees the dangerous the guy who stays a lot however because I respect my conservative friends because many of them are highly intelligent and I listened to the always listened for and then I go away and I'm a slow thinker and I think through their arguments and I thought through their arguments and I don't think they're arguments hold water because I don't think and this is another misses a conservative flaw. I don't think conservatives really think about the way people actually behave and what I think right now is that the Democrats are all in in on two things right. They're all in on these lockdowns. We're going to stay lockdown forever. And they are all in on covering up for the. Democrats and they're covering three things are coming up Obama Gate. They're covering up the fact that This terror read thing with Biden which may be true or may not be true but they're covering it up. They're they're playing it down and they're covering up the fact that Joe Biden is now a house plant that he is so deteriorated over the last six months that he's no longer the men he was six months ago. He can barely keep a sentence together. You know I think. Twenty eight percent of Democrats are now saying that he's not going to be the candidate and that creates large problems for the Democrats so this seems to be that what they're betting. On and yesterday we had two special elections in California and the Big One was that Katy hills seed remember. She was thrown out in that. Sex Scandal It seems to be going read now. In both of these cases California counts large number of male in votes after election. Day So it is guaranteed. They're going to try. And overturn this election. It's like Oh yeah I found the they'll go over to the magic castle and be like. Oh Yeah I found these days votes thousands of Ulta my pocket. Just keep coming out like anchorage so we're going to see that but it doesn't matter because we've already seen we see you and we've already seen that people are not buying into this and yesterday. L. A. said. Oh Yeah we're GONNA stay locked down Through August and then suddenly they said it was like they put out. There's Emily La Tele announcement never mind you know. We're suddenly they said Yeah. We're GONNA save lockdown but while we're locked down we'll be opening up and we'll have a phase in lockdown that will phase out as we open up and you'll be able to basically what it comes down to is if we see a conservative on the street will arrest him but everybody else is going to be going back to work and we know this is going to happen because Elon. Musk CEO reopened his factory and said coming arrest me. Come and get me you guys. And they didn't because they know they can't lose Elon. Musk and Tesla and he opened it for a perfectly good business reasons. Which is their opening in. Detroit are opening the other Motor Company's so he's got to be able to. He's got to be able to compete. So this is their strategy and you know again. I worry about trump because I worry about the very things that got him elected of the very things that could get him unelected is pugilist in his openness and the fact that he is off he's off point for a lot of things he was right about. China he was right about immigration. He was right about globalism. And all the forces that are arrayed in favor of those things in favor of globalization in favor which means being in favor of China as well because that's their part of their plan and in favor of open borders all those people who are arrayed against them and their powerful they are very powerful however listen to the things that are coming out. The House. Intelligence Committee released fifty seven transcripts of interviews conducted during its investigation into Russia's meddling with two thousand sixteen election. The committee probe started in January. Two Thousand Seventeen at seven. Nunez then in a concluded March two thousand eighteen with report finding no evidence that the trump campaign conspired with the Kremlin and most of the transcripts. Were ready to release long ago. But Adam Schiff. My congressman refused to release them after he became chairman. He only released them last week when the White House threatened to do it I. That's why he did. He say no. No no I had this and that. That's why he did it all right well. Let's hear from Adam Schiff in March twenty seventeen. This is cut fifteen. And this is what he said repeatedly and he said this more than this cut fifteen. I can't go into the particulars but there is more than circumstantial evidence. Now so Again I think you have seen direct evidence of collusion I don't want to go into specifics but I will say that. There is evidence that is not circumstantial and And is very much worthy of investigation. So that is what we ought to do that. So and he went on to say it was proved and all this stuff. None of this was true reading now from the Wall Street Journal in July. Twenty seventeen former director of national intelligence. James Clapper told shift and his colleagues. This is under oath right. I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the trump campaign or someone in it was plotting conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election. Three months later former Obama attorney general. Loretta Lynch agreed that while she'd seen concerning information quote. I don't recall anything being briefed up to me former Deputy AG. Sally Yates concurred several weeks. Later we are at the fact gathering stage here not the conclusion stage the same goes for the FBI agents who started the collusion probe in two thousand sixteen former FBI director. Andrew McCabe admitted the bureau's reason for opening the case which was stupid Steel thing was nonsense. Here's Adam Schiff yesterday on. Msnbc cut six the Russians of broach the trump campaign. They do so in writing. They offered dirt. They had on Hillary as part of what they described as the Russian government effort to help the puck them. F- is levels. The trump campaign guest will take love. Don Jr. at then we set up a secret meeting in trump power to get that The president's son-in-law was there the campaign chairman there. And what's more the campaign chairman in a different yet? Any internal falling days linked to Russian allergens. You had other gliders in touch with the Russian. I doubt that was publishing the stolen Howard Patten material through wikileaks. All of this is abundant evidence of illusion. But this is their attempt to gaslight America once again saying you believe your is complete with rhythm and transcripts you have to accept our counter narrative things but the evidence is there for all to see so now he's down to one meeting that that Donald trump junior said he probably shouldn't have done but amounted to nothing. He's talking about Roger Stone. Who is lying about talking to a Russian got out? He just was bragging about this stuff. He's talking about nothing. It's kind of like they once read from Russia to love the James Bond novel so they must have been as got nothing and he still wine and MSNBC as still got this pencil neck turtle faced liar talking to them. You know having with his face hanging out talking to them and their any no. They're being lied to now. They know they're now. They know they're being lied to by a guy who lied and his line now and they're just going to go with it. They're gonNA keep banging that trump. You know I know there are a lot of people who are going to follow that Pied Piper over the hill but not all of America and not a lot of independence. I just don't believe it. Now they've say they want the DOJ has dropped the case against. Michael Flynn this horrible thing where the FBI. I mean if this happened is somebody pointed out his Smith. I think pointed out. This happened to a black kid and white. Fbi agents went in there and said we're not going to tell me needs a lawyer and then we're going to get them to lie. You know make a mistake about something and even not lying. We're going to call it line. So they they dropped their charges but the federal judge said he would not immediately accept the Justice Department. Move and he called. Us District Judge Emmet Sullivan said in a very unusual order. He would set a schedule. Receive FRIEND OF THE COURT. Briefs with meet people were completely uninvolved can come in and make statements and they are not often filed in criminal cases Andy McCarthy says This can tanked. The contancts jurist is stoking opposition to the dismissal. He know the law calls for him to accede to Attorney General Billboards decision but bar can't stop Sullivan from turning the dismissal into anti-trump group therapy so that's what he's doing. That's their plan. This is their plan. Here's here's Eric holder. Still Defending You know putting the trying to turn the attack around this cut seven. What we have is a president who is bound determined to de-legitimize those parts of the government. He thinks pose the greatest threat to him. And it's the Justice Department the FBI intelligence community as well. He say says those kinds of things that you just showed from from the Rose Garden. It's all part of a plan to somehow make those institutions weaker so that he can do the kinds of implicit illicit. Things that he has been he's been doing and he's facilitated. By this attorney general this turn was actually complicit in this by weakening these institutions. This is an attorney general. Who's supposed to stand up for the people who work for him? And in fact he is doing all that he can to weaken the very institutions that that elites GonNa we we corrupted these institutions by ferreting out that corruption you're weakening the institutions. You're obsessed over this because we were obsessed over it. I just don't think this is gonNA work. 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I trust my life to that man. I trust my life to that man. As long as he is nowhere near an open door as long as he's still in the basement. I think we're all safe and you know he's being very brave because he points out the Chinese flu. Not many people know this Chinese flu only attacks. Democrats was cut four. Look the people getting hurt or are Democrats hard working people? The people who can't afford to stay home the people who are getting clobbered the people are making hourly wage the people who are out there saving our lives carrying the country on their back and losing lives in the process of knowing it. They're the people who are in trouble. A lot of millionaires aren't in trouble. People making tens of millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of. They're not in trouble. What's the people are in? Trouble are the very people that are our constituency. Those people have been their constituency for quite some time but that's all right live in the past but luckily luckily look. I make fun of him. Because he's a house plant. But but luckily he did appoint Alexandria OCCASIONAL CORTEX to be on his climate change panel Oh that's good. Because she is expert the voices in my head. She is an expert in ranting Nonsensically about the fact that the country is going to end in twelve years You know so. And and so. They're state so far they're sticking with this guy but just remember. This is all one thing that they are going to cover up the fact that he can't speak anymore they're gonna not going to try not to look at it until finally they have to because it's getting worse even as we watch and they're going to cover up any sexual allegations. Here's Chuck Schumer. Here's Chuck Schumer. Selling his soul in real time to back Joe Biden and saying the metoo movement is still alive and well just not not for us before the Metoo Movement women were not listened to WHO Were telling what had happened to them since me. Two women are listened to now. I've heard Joe Biden's Explanation I think it's sufficient. I think he will be a great candidate. I think he will be a great president and I think he'll take us to take help us. Take back the Senate. He can't say it with a straight face. It's great. Yeah we before me to women weren't listened to now we listen to them and then ignore them and and again. I always thought believe all women was one of the stupidest things ever since women represent half of the world's liars I I don't know who the other half are but I was just a wild guess and say it's men but now the standards totally changed. Everything's going so they're selling their soul in real time. They're covering up real time. We're watching this happen. It's not like we can't see it and you know there. Are There Areas? I worry about I worry about old people who still think Those nice people in the network news or telling them the news. I worry about them. Because they're big trump constituency and maybe they've bought into this narrative and the narrative is that trump is just recklessly trying to reopen. They use this with faucher yesterday. They kept saying you know that. Fao g read you The New York Times Headline Voucher and trumper odds. Here's what she had to say about this eight. Certainly not a confrontational relationship between me and the president. As I mentioned many times I give advice and opinion based on evidence based scientific information. Here's that respects. He gets opinions from a variety of other people but no eight in my experience over the last several months as been any confrontational relationship between us so kind of just explodes the entire narrative. What is the narrative trump is? There could be spikes as we go back. He said it's a tragedy. He said he loves the people who have been sick and ill and he. He feels they're paying understand. Remember when Bill Clinton used people's painting bite his lower lip guys if he were fighting back tears because he felt your pain. Trump says that but it doesn't register like it's just it's just whenever he says things that are compassionate whenever he says things that are inspiring whenever he says things that are true which is most of the time they just are ignored. And you know it is. It is funny. Trump does say things he does exaggerate sometimes He does do that kind of carnival Barker things he says. This is the greatest ever. I'm the greatest president ever. He does all that stuff and sometimes he even gets his facts wrong. It is absolutely true but he has been right about an awful lot of things and I am just concerned. I know I keep saying this but it's important I'm concerned that conservatives in fighting the fights they pacify where if in your neighborhood. You're getting lockdown when you shouldn't be and if they're violating your rights. We'll talk about this some more tomorrow. about some of these over the top lockdown orders and how we have to fight them but but still you're fighting but you have to be defending the sky because I think ultimately he's doing the right thing he is operating through federalism as I keep saying which you know. Sometimes I think right wingers don't want what they say they want. I mean federalism is what we keep claiming about states rights. And we keep talking about that and suddenly you know where Wi- where's trump's leadership. Why isn't he taking charge? Well he's not taking charge because the states have to operate in the states and look and that is GonNa help the another reason. I'm optimistic I think people are gonNA see they're going to see the difference between Texas and California they're going to see the difference in Georgia and California and the and they think. Oh there's going to be this great spike in numbers and they're going to sell that with all their hearts but I'm not convinced that that's going to happen. During the Obama administration the only place with the economy was coming back was in Texas and they sold that as a good economy for the country but it was because Texas was operating under red principles. The other thing too is that trump is ignoring FAO cheese advice. And he's just pushing for reopening and Kaley mcenaney the new press secretary who's just doing. A great job fielded a question about this cut. Three president trump's still believe in these federal guidelines and if so why isn't he urging states to follow them instead of asking them to move quickly to reopen well he has encouraged states to follow the guidelines that still consistently our recommendation today that you should follow phased approach to reopening as outlined in the data? I do want to stress as the president has stressed that we do want to reopen this country because there are consequences that run the other way when we stay closed down as a country and I want to run through a few of those with you. I'm a hotline run by the Substance Abuse and mental health services saw a one thousand percent increase in responses during April as we kept this country closed at the status said appointments for screening for cancer of Cervix Colon and breast were down eighty six percent and ninety four percent and March. They're real consequences for that. She's making the simple argument that people will also diving from a shutdown economy but the argument is much more complicated than that to the bad economy is bad for everybody. It's not just the deaths. I know that death is a good statistic because everybody can understand death. It's bad but that's not the only statistic you know there's also losing your meaning and purpose in life is also losing the businesses. You built your dreams. You know these are all things that are happening during this lockdown. That probably look probably next time. This happens next time. There's a a pandemic like this. We probably won't do this. It probably will be. Hey we probably won't behave in the same way and but we didn't know that at the time I'm not blaming anybody for that because like I said everybody made the same decision but the time has come to open up in the phased way as always always of course shave the Cleveland. I I mean that's I don't even know why they don't just have that as part of their you know Advertising that th at the White House but obviously with saving the Cleveland with Protecting Vulnerable People. All of that. This is just what has to be the so much noise. There's so much noise on the right and left. This is just. It's going to happen. The things are going to open up and it doesn't matter because people will not stand after awhile and people will not live in fear forever. And that's why I'm just kind of optimistic. I don't feel threats that people see are the real threats. I feel the real threat. Is the kind of corruption. That Obama was a perpetrating on the American people. All right. Let's talk about the Benham brothers. I LOVE OUR SPONSORS. Because jared does a great job getting sponsors that we are good guys and who do good work he really does and the. Benham brothers are as good as they come. It is just look. 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This thing alone is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in your dreams and so I think you want to get pissed and you get to be on the mailbag which is coming right up. All right mailbag after the operation. She's changed so very much but now she's who she really Kristie. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to ask you this because knowles is sometimes too pro-trump and ben is sometimes too anti-trump seem to be right in the middle of them. Who should take the blame for the crash of the American economy? President trump or the individual state governors. Actually don't think that that the blame blame is coming now right. When trump started out he gave the advice. We should take two weeks to flatten the curve. I can't tell you. I don't think anybody can tell you. Actually whether that was the right thing to do or not. There are a lot of people arguing that we never should have done it. We should have saved the Cleveland. They really they just saying we should just should've put cliven in a room by himself and that would have done and then let everybody else. Go out there Because that that's the only thing that really matters and no and maybe a couple of other older people They should have protected and so people saying that. Maybe that's what we'll do next time but I I have a lot of patients this Because I know that acting in the dark with a new threat that nobody knew what was going to happen. You know maybe people panicked but maybe panic was the the natural universal reaction so I have patience for that. I think it's now it's now that we start to see who's to blame and now if people if the states do not open up if places like Wisconsin. Act AS if they're New York you know which is absurd. I mean the density of population is just so different than if people I think. It was in Wisconsin the other day where they sent twenty police cars to shut down a bar. You know if that's just sort of thing starts happening. That's when you start to put blame for not letting the economy rebound and we know the Democrats. They do not understand where money comes from. They think just falls from the sky they think the state they think that your money the money they let you keep from your taxes money the let you keep. They don't understand is your money and they're taking away. Nancy Pelosi does not understand that. Her six-figure paycheck comes from. You is not your paycheck. That comes from her. We can do perfectly well without them. We can do perfectly what we can do. Well without a government I mean. Obviously that's not what you want. You do. Need the government to keep people from killing one another but if we have no government we could have no government. They can exist without us if we shut down. They're gone so the people to blame the people. Now it's this is the time. This is the time when you start to see how people behave and I think trump did what he had to do. I think he'd like I said he did what everybody else did. So I think that if we find out later that this was not the best idea then hopefully next time we know better but you know it was first time pandemic. We didn't see it coming even with the warnings. You just never see these things coming so I think this is paying attention now. What's happening that you'll know whether to report whether whether to apportion blame and to whom to apportion blame from Michelle. Save the Cleveland. I have been living in the Republic of Ireland for Twenty Years. Now in our lockdown is not going to lift anytime soon. That's trump to this. Is the thing they act like the Democrats act like this is not going on all over the world My problem is farmers. My family's doing fine my off-farm job. Also in agriculture has expanded. I'm doing great our daughters doing fine with remote learning. How do I deal with the guilt? I feel that I don't care if the lockdown doesn't end for a long while you move to Ireland and you develop Catholic People all around us are horribly affected. We are great and even better off because of the lockdown. I don't WanNa feel so good as the situation in this country goes downhill as I drive a long on my way to work. I'm smiling our good fortune only for my heart to crash down thinking of others less fortunate. What do I do to rectify this? Thank you for such a wonderful show. Well thank you. Michelle and I think you're thinking about this wrong. I really do known as told any story but his own. Cs Lewis Famously said and your stories that things are going well. And that's a blessing. And that's a blessing from God and you should be grateful to God it is ungrateful for you to waste your blessings feeling guilty about something. That is your guilt has no effect on your guilt has no effect on anybody else. You're you're feeling bad is not making anybody else. Feel good the good time there. We good times in your life. There will be bad times bad times. Or guaranteed you hope you get the good times right when you have the good times. It is the grateful thing to do to God to enjoy them. He loves to see people happy. You should be happy in God's sunshine and you should feel really good about what's happening in your family's life obviously obviously whatever you can do to help those who are suffering. You should do whenever you can to Give to charity or you know. Make sure that the people who have food wouldn't have food. You know. Those are wonderful things that you can and should do. Your your guilt is not helping anybody your tears. Don't feed anybody you know that that is not the way. There's nothing that can't be done. That can't be done enjoy. There's nothing good that can't be done. It can't be done enjoyed. You Know God the enjoyment of your good times you owe him that ingratitude. You hidden prayers of gratitude and thanks and God love you. I'm glad things are going well for you. And of course you. Oh dear brother and sister man. You know some some charity and compassionate care and that that Enjoyment of your own life should not be cold enjoyment. While I'm doing well so screw you. Obviously that's not the answer. It's thank God I'm doing so well. How can I help those who aren't doing well and that's you know that that's the way we have to live you. Only have this life on earth To live on earth and so You are commanded to rejoice Your commanded to rejoice evermore. In your good times you should rejoice as much as you can From Matthew as someone who has had their own struggles with faith and believing. I felt. This was a good question. You I'm Jewish and my wife is Christian We'll both firm believers in God and she is a firm believer in Jesus. My wife has struggled with a variety of health issues and some are things that need constant monitoring as new health issues continue to arise especially as it begins to involve our eight week old daughter and I continually watch my wife struggle. I find myself questioning my faith at times. Why does God's plan for some people seem to make that struggle more? I am blessed and grateful. Things are not as bad as other people have it but still leaves me to wonder at Times. Any insight from you would be greatly appreciate. Yeah obviously this is the question that troubles the hearts of all people of all believers you know why do we suffer in world with a God who loves US But I think you have to look at it from the other way. I think you have to start. Suffering is a world of suffering as that lady from Ireland. Michelle just said you know just because things are going well for you. They're going badly for someone else right. They are always going badly for someone else. And in this case you or someone else so things are going badly for you. You have to believe in the God of that world and obviously we don't believe in capricious God we don't believe in the God who was punishing people by things we believe in a God who wants who has left the universe free and who has found the universe broken and whether no matter how you believe that human beings are sinful at odds with God. It is obviously obvious that they are. It is obvious that everyone every single person there's not a single person on earth. Who is the person he thinks he should be? Not One person on earth. Thanks yes I am perfect. I am the person God made me to be every single person and people who do say that are lying. They're lying to themselves or they're lying to you. Every single person knows that he is not what he should be. And that's why I make jokes all the time that will change your life but will it change it for the better because if you say to somebody this will change your life. You mean that positive because it positively because everybody knows his life searching for the world is a broken place we are broken suffering happens it happens at random it happens you know it is part of there is a larger plan that we can't see in which all that suffering is taken into account but we have. That's what we have to believe it. That's why the resurrection I think is so important At least a belief in an afterlife because we have to believe that God's morality is better than ours and therefore we can see that life is unfair. We can see things go badly for good people. Therefore there must be a greater logic that he sees that we don't see and that includes a life beyond this life so so look you have to believe as I wrote in the novel. True crime you have to believe in a god of the sad world you cannot believe in a God who makes things go well for some people because he likes them badly for other people because he dislikes him because that just isn't in keeping with the facts and what happens. If you have that faith I blame. But it's like Joel Osteen. Things should be going well for you because God loves you. When you have that faith things go badly you lose your faith you have to start with a faith in God of this world you have to understand. This world is broken. You have to understand. This world does not work. God wants it to work that he suffers with us that he has suffered with us. He has even suffered unto death with us and the he knows what's going on and he's got it covered but he's got it covered on a plan that is beyond our individual lives. And like if you can't if you can't find your way to that it's very hard to have faith because Because things are do bad things do happen and they happen randomly. And it's very very tough and believe me this is. I have myself suffered tragedy during this lockdown. And it's very very hard to keep your heart up in those times. Tragedy is an absolute. It is an absolute. It's like being in a box and you have to keep walking with your eye on God in God. If you if you keep walking through hard times with your eye on God you'll get back to the place you need to be at because he will lead you there. And that is one of the things about faith That is so beautiful. Is that even though? It's hard to maintain it and tragedy. If you maintain it you will find your faith strengthened and your love of life deepened and your understanding of life deepened even in tragedy. And that I've I've had this experience. I'm not talking. You know. Theoretically this is true from Philip you are. My favorite host on daily wire shows excellent. I love what you do. And I've been enjoying listening to another kingdom. Recently I started dating a really cool girl. She's a person of color a very strong conservative capitalist and entrepreneur She wants to start a business. That hires helps women of color to succeed entrepreneurs and she says she specifically wants to hire people of Color Women of color. I'm a white guy and I've experienced quite a bit of bigotry in college due to the fact that I'm GonNa wake conservative. Also afraid that I won't be able to get a job because of my skin color and gender says. I'm not sure how to read these like that. She has a heart for people like yourself but that's also adversely hurting people like me. What do you think I should do? What's your perspective on this topic? What my perspective on this topic is that racialism of all kinds is is wrong is is just wrong. Race is not immoral is not immoral quantity of human beings right. There is no moral good to race right. Races are what they are. They may be different. Dave's may have talents that others don't have. I don't know I have no idea. I don't care. I only know that they were made in God's image and that's how I have to treat them so I believe that all racialism is wrong. Good positive racialism. I'm going to hire more black people and negative racial socialism. I'll never hire black. I believe it's all wrong. Get RID OF IT. All and the world will be a better place instantaneously. You will become better places so I disagree with your girlfriend. That's how I feel about it. She feels differently. She has a heart for people. We all of our for P. By the way I have a heart for my people I will feel good things when someone like me does something That's positive we all have that. I don't do race in even though I have normal tribal feelings like everybody. I don't do race in the same way I don't do adultery. Even though I have normal adulterers feelings like everybody. I don't know how it is for women but men should live by their lights. They shouldn't live by their instincts. They should live by their lights okay. So that's that's me so you guys have a difference of opinion and has a different outlook as the different values. And you need to talk about that. But how do you need to talk about it? You don't talk about it with an an an eye toward convincing her. You don't talk about like I'm going to change your mind or else we can't stay together. You say you introduce it as a topic by saying something like listen. Here's something that I need to talk to you about because of my feelings about this and I I love the fact that you're a conservative entrepreneur and I love the fact that you have a heart for people like yourself. I understand that entirely and women of Color Do have our time in the workplace. And she's right about that. They do have a hard time in the workplace and so you like that and you sympathize with it but you have these feelings you have other feelings and so those feelings in conflict and you'd like to know how she feels about that and you'd like to hear her side of it and you're not trying to change your mind but you want to hear that side of it in that conversation you will find out whether and in conversations like that. You'll find out whether this is a any kind of deal breaker whether you can't Live together with different values. I mean you should be able to live together with different values. Even though I believe men should take a leadership role in their homes. I do not believe that. A leadership role means crushing the life a perspective of the people. You're leading these leading them. To joy it means leading them to fulfillment and joy. That's what leadership is and so and so. I don't think you should be out to convince her. I don't think you should be able to change your mind but I do think you should share your feelings and listened to her feelings and listened to her logic and let her listen to your logic without arguing. No arguing don't argue just discussed and in that discussion. You know you'll learn about how you know. Not only will you learn how if you can reconcile living together with your different values but you'll learn how to reconcile with each other living with different values because conversation is at the heart of marriage and you need to be able to know how to do it without making a struggle without making urged convince somebody in crush them and change their minds All right I got time for one more Amount of time. All right my at my Producers telling me out of time so I'm out of time back again tomorrow with more time. I'm Andrew Klavan visit the Andrew Klavan. Show if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. 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But did you have any specific advice that you give them as it relates to their money? I think you're in a sixty ninety one hundred twenty day mindset. You're only running the business for that amount of time. I think that's where I would tell you to start because when you do that guys. Here's what happens. I get clarity for sixty days or for thirty days. Sixty Days Ninety days hundred twenty days and we're running the business based on that because of the world the economy's going to change and get back to a much more normal situation so the issue is how do we stay live. That's my fear is how many businesses will absolutely close the doors forever because of this but if you can hang on better days or come that's literally where my brother and I are right now. I mean we're in so we're not like sitting here as talk. Show hosts thought leaders were actually in the trenches right now making very difficult decisions early. In Our business we created three budgets. 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Ep. 968 - Radical Delusion

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Ep. 968 - Radical Delusion

"The New York Times a former newspaper has begun an investigation into why it's latest anti trump bombshell exploded in house blowing several editors sky high after which they plummeted downward with a strangely hilarious whistling sound passed I level with ridiculously black faces set expressions of comical dismay, and then smashed into the ground at high speed where they were transformed into flat circular editor bodies waddling around on absurdly stumping legs. In a statement released by times bombshell coordinator, Wiley Coyote. The newspaper said quote we can't understand it. We ordered the bombshell directly from the Acme anti-trump Bombshell Company with whom we've been doing business for years acne sent us the Russian collusion bombshell, which we planted in front of the trump train just before the train came out of a previously non existent tunnel and ran us over. Acme also supplied the impeachment bombshell, which we dropped on trump from a height only to have the president pass beneath unharmed after which we went down to investigate, and we're crushed under the falling bombshell ourselves. Then of course, acne sent us the Michael Avenue Stormy Daniels Bombshell which we're sure will blow up trump's campaign as soon as Mr Audy gets out of prison. We are completely baffled about what went wrong this time on quote. The latest time bombshell from the Acme company was a study of trump's tax returns which contain the explosive information that trump pays the smallest amount of taxes legally possible just like every single other human being everywhere forever the Times announced this with headlines and typeface. So large that the headline didn't fit on the page and will not be completed until late October about the same time amy, Kuney Barrett is confirmed as the third justice trump has appointed to the supreme court. TIMES EDITOR IN CHIEF BLITHERING PREVARICATION THE announced. The former paper will deliver more acme bombshells as election day nears Mr third then excuse himself. So he could go water Joe Biden. Trigger warning I'm Andrew Klavan. And this is the Andrew Klavan show. took. Shape top seed. So, Wonderful As we want to see. All. Right. Welcome back to the. Andrew Klavan show where we are laughing our way through the fall of the republic please go on Youtube and subscribe to the Andrew Klavan specifically the Andrew Klavan Channel ring. The Bell. So you'll get notifications will have all our shows there will have the openings there uncut and we'll also have original material if you would like to leave a material and Material, if you would like to leave a comment there and the comment is sufficiently idiotic, we will read it on the air to raise the level of the conversation. We have one today from Bryce who says this comment is not sufficiently idiotic to read on the air by Clave then again, neither am I. sufficiently idiotic to work for the New York Times. So that's that may be a test one run if you're not stupid enough to work for the Times no bother now leaving a comment because not gonNa make the Great. Skoda's nominee Amy Coney Brat Barrett is under attack for belonging to a group that considers fathers the head of the family. The group is called Christianity, and if it's held Mrs Barry Back at all, it's hard to see how she's also under attack of course, for threatening Roe v Wade, which gave women the legal power of life and death over their unborn children. A woman with seven children like a CB clearly doesn't. Think Motherhood is a bad thing. So in other words is under attack for exhibiting signs of femininity. This is interesting. Here's an interesting fact ruth. Bader. GINSBURG was also not a fan of Roe v Wade she supported the power to abort I'm not going to call it a right. It was the power to abort she supported that, but she thought the Supreme Court shouldn't have claimed that that power rested on a right. To privacy she thought Roe should've been based on the right to equality because without abortion women were not equal to men. Now think about this for a minute that isn't incredibly ugly idea women and men are unequal when it comes to pregnancy. So stop the pregnancy or to put it another way. The only real equality is sameness. The fact that motherhood is different than fatherhood and wife hood is different than husband is. A problem if you think the only real equality is sameness now I can remember a time when wife Hood and Motherhood were considered elevated positions they made houses, homes, they made humans human most men didn't go to work for the pure love of breaking bricks they went to work to support the homes and families. There were the core of their humanity and their human mission women femininity supplied and created and protected humanity. So why is it that the humanizing activities of femininity are now considered curses rather than blessings? Well, I will tell you why it's because humanity femininity central gift to the world has no material value. You can earn money without humanity you can buy stuff without humanity both socialism and capitalism work perfectly well without either humanity or femininity, in fact, humanity and femininity slow both systems down. The only thing you get from from feminine humanity is a full and joyous and human life and the materials powers-that-be don't care whether you live a full life or not. It slows them down. Materialism only recognizes material worth and so women can't be equal unless they work and earn like men. That's why Femininity motherhood and the Anti materialist values of Christianity are at odds with the world. 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Know You look at me and you think, wow, boy that guy is so beautiful maybe I could look like that. But if you're a woman, you probably want to grow sicker healthier hair and you can do that and support our show at the same time by going to neutral dot com and using Promo Code Cliven new customers will get twenty percents off. This is their best offer available anywhere plus free shipping on every order. So get twenty percent off at neutral dot com. N. U. T. R. A. F. O. L. DOT COM Promo Code cliven and you're thinking why are you telling me how to spell neutral anybody can spell neutral how do you spell Clayton? It's K. L. A., V. A., N. so I want to talk more about this attack on. The Bible on Christianity on femininity of Amy Coney Barrett and the way she is being attacked for her. Christianity and everything else. You know it's it's really interesting to me that in genesis when God creates eve, he creates Adam I. But when he creates Eve, he doesn't say Adam. You know. So busy during creation I forgot to. Invent who can give you children I forgot to invent somebody with a womb. So let me let me make somebody who can make babies for you. didn't do that didn't do that at all. What what he said was it is not good for the man to be alone, and if you remember Genesis, this is what how God categorizes creation. He makes things and he says, yes, that's good. But he found something in creation that was not good and he made women so that it would be good in other words he didn't make women because of their particular you didn't make them because of their bodies he made them. They. Had A quality. There was something about them. That made the world good made. Finally. Made Creation, what it was supposed to be when when God creates Adam sings the song of joy. He says, this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she should called woman and he says, for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh. You know it's really interesting. The Pediatrician Dwi Lineker had this famous line. We said there's no such thing as a baby and what he meant by that is that the mother and child. Bond is so essential that until the mother humanizing work is done, the baby can hardly be considered an individual at all and William Wordsworth. I've talked about this before William Wordsworth wrote about this his epoch, the prelude he talked about how people acquired their humanity at their mother's breasts and this turns out brain sciences. Now confirmed what Wordsworth already knew that people actually become themselves interacting specifically with their mothers at the beginning of their lives I actually are not fully human until they have mothers and it you know it's biblical wisdom right that. Even, God didn't try to becoming being without having a mother even God had a mother and so all of this plays into the idea that womanhood femininity motherhood are things that capitalism and socialism and materials don't need don't need. They are spiritual goods and so they become hysterical when they see them, it really is true and Amy Barrett with seven kids with her adopted kids with her belonging to a Christian groups that are supposed to promote the idea of men as heads of the. Family. Is Responsible has the family all of this stuff makes the materialist world go nuts and the representatives of materialism. Now interestingly, enough are socialist. I mean socialism is inherently a materialist philosophy, and so the they're the ones who immediately immediately go after a motherhood femininity anything like that because they can't imagine that something could be equal in another plane. It's equal on a non material plane and that's the fight that Amy Kuney Barrett is basically going to be fighting as she goes forward to confirmation. Do we have do have our guests spreading. I can't hear you guys. I'm going to. No we don't Bush saw I will keep I will keep talking about about this until we do have. Let me know disseminate. The Associated Press wrote this article about Amy Conybeare President Donald Trump's nominee for the US supreme. Court has close ties to a charismatic Christian religious group that holds men are divinely ordained as the head of the family and faith. This is a shocking thing for the Associated Press former members of the group called people of Praise Sas teaches that wives must submit to the will of their husbands and the headline says they subjugate their wives which bay by by the way this is. Not, true in. Well, we'll talk about the biblical philosophy of this. Federal Appeals Court Judge Amy Crony Barrett has not commented publicly about her own or her family's involvement and the people who pray spokesman declined to say whether she and her husband are current members. Barrett's advocates are trying to frame questions about her involvement in people have praises anti-catholic bigotry ahead of upcoming. Ish Narrates. Why would they do that? Why would because this is not just people have praised this is good Christian doctrine it is in the scriptures I'll get to that in a minute but the the woman who runs the Trinity Academy in Portland Oregon and was a big member of people appraised Joanna Clark said in America this is in the story in a marriage we look at the husband is the head of the family and that's consistent with New Testament teaching. This role of the husband is the head of the family is not a position of power or domination it's. Really. Quite the opposite. It's a position of care and service and responsibility men are looking out for the good and wellbeing of their families. This good Christian theology Jesus said, you're the gentiles lead with power, but you are going to lead as a servant lead. Your leadership is a service and here's what Paul and the occasions in the famous line that drives left crazy said wives submit to your own husbands as you do to the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body of which he is the. Savior now is the church submits to Chrysler also, wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Now, listen to what he said. He said the church is the body right of of Christ. So he goes on then in a very, very long following paragraph husbands he says, Love Your wives just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her to make her holy cleansing her by the washing with water through the word and to present her to himself as a radio church without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless in this same. Way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. Hugh loves his wife loves himself after all no one ever hated their own body but they feed and care for their body just as Christ as the church for we are members of his body for this reason, a man leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery but I'm talking about Christ and the church however, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself and the wife must respect her husband. Jesse Lee Peterson Great Guy I just love Jesse Lee and he's he's a wonderful guy in one of the great trolls of Humanity X. Place only second to Donald Trump and a preacher and very much loves to preach this. What he loved to do, he loves to catch on air. He loves to get Christians on air and say, do you believe that the husband is the head of the wife? He loves to just challenge them on this because he says the the husband above the wife, the wife of the children, and I always say getting back by saying Okay Jesse well, you know wives should submit to their husbands but then you gotta read the next better. Talking about all the stuff that husbands after do for their wives, they have to empty themselves out as Christ emptied himself out for the church. So it's not a one way street, and also by the way you'll notice that Paul does not say the husbands that you have the right to force your wife to submit he tells wives to submit, but he does not tell husbands to force their watch. All right I want I. Want to stop here and we'll get back to some of this in a little bit because we have Senator Ted Cruz with. Perfect timing to come on at this moment on the shortlist for the Supreme Court didn't want it to good for the Supreme Court is Senator Cruz, but he's got a new book out called the one vote away how a single Supreme Court seat can change history senator. Thank you so much for coming on. It's great to see you. Andrew thank you for having me great to see you as well. So before we get to the book before we get to vote away I want to ask you what you're expecting at these hearings. The hearings are going forward fast mid October they're saying for Amy Kuney Barrett what are you expecting to see? While the hearings will commence on October twelfth worst, we'll start with opening questions, and then we'll shift in on the second day opening statements on Day One. The second day will shift into questions from the senators Each senator will get thirty minutes and so we will have thirty minute rounds alternating Republican Democrat Republican Democrat the next day we'll have another round of questions twenty minute rounds I expect the Democrats to do everything they can to this into a political circus just like they did to the justice cabinet hearings. They. You know a week ago before the vacancy. The hard left was already filled with rage and fury and anger, and then you add a Supreme Court vacancy on top of it to t to borrow a line from spinal tap. Now goes to eleven I mean they're just they're out of their minds. So is there any chance and I expect it to get bad Is there any chance after Cavanaugh I? Think there was some blowback and if there hadn't been a delay between Cavanaugh and the midterm elections, I, think it would've cost Democrats in the midterms in the age of trump three weeks is basically a year. But now the elections getting pretty close is there any chance they'll just hold back Restrain themselves. So look anything is possible but I don't think. So I think they're based demands that they go scorched earth that their base is so enraged. That you'll see Comma Harris putting on a performance. You'll see each of the members of the Senate judiciary member in in in Cavenaugh Cory Booker doing his Im Spartak US moment. I think we'll see something like that again and. It's not clear where they're going to hit her. When Judge Barrett was nominated to become judge Barrett, join the Federal Court of. Appeals. The Democrats went after her on her face and attacked her for for being Catholic. Dick. Durbin, astor if she was an Orthodox Catholic which I'm not sure what he meant with the Adjective Orthodoxy, he wasn't referring to a member of the Orthodox Church Reeker Russian it was just think Orthodox was just an epithet it was just an insult. and. And Dianne Feinstein famously rather infamously put it this way she said the dogma lives loudly in this one. Which which? Today's democratic. Party has a manifest contempt. For people who face whether you're Catholic whether you're evangelical whether you're an Orthodox Jew I if faith is an important part of your life. The position of a lot of Democrats seems to be you are not fit for public office and you're not fit to serve as a judge and and that is that that is a ridiculous position but but it's also an unconstitutional position because the text of the constitution explicitly prohibits a religious text, a test for public office. I might have cory booker goes spartak because again as long as he keeps his shirt on I, think that would be important. Your book is called one vote away how a single supreme. Court seat can change history. Give me an example. What are what are we talking about when you say change history. Well. Sure. So so what the book does before I was in the Senate, I was a Supreme Court litigator. That's what I did for a living is argue cases in front of the US Supreme Court. And so each chapter in the book takes a different constitutional liberty. So. There's a chapter on religious liberty a chapter on free speech. There's a chapter on the Second Amendment. There's a chapter on US sovereignty. There's a chapter on elections and democracy and Bush versus Gore, and we could see that same sort of chaos play out in this election right now. And what the Book Does is every chapter tells war stories tells the inside story of what was happening in the big landmark cases and and many of those cases I litigated personally. So so it takes the reader. Behind the curtain, it takes the reader. Into the court to understand who the justices are, what the disagreements are about, and it goes through many of these. These landmark cases were five to four and five four case we're just one vote away. From losing our fundamental liberties. So you ask for an example, let's take for example, free speech. One of the cases the chapter in free speech talks about it legs is the citizens united case. Now now many people have heard of citizens united, but they don't really know what it's about other than the Democrats hate it. But citizens united the issue and that was whether American citizens have a right to criticize politicians and and and the fact pattern what happened their citizens united is a nonprofit organization that made a movie made a movie critical of Hillary Clinton. And, the Obama Administration went after them and wanted to find them for daring for having the audacity to Criticize Hillary Clinton. And the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. And and and there was a very revealing moment at the oral argument where we're just a Sam Alito. Ask the from the Obama Department of Justice said under your view of the case does the federal government have the power to ban books to prohibit the sale of books if they criticize a politician? And the Obama DOJ said, yes. Yes. We have the power to ban books and I mean it was stunning. It was radical now thankfully. That extreme view was rejected, but it was rejected five four. There were four justices willing to embrace the view that the federal government can ban movies or books if they criticize a politician. And both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden a pledged to nominate justices who were who will vote to overrule citizens united in other words to give the federal government, the power to censor you and me, and that's an example of being just one vote away determining whether we have that liberty or we don't you know it's amazing. I've talked to so many liberals who would listen to Hillary. Clinton rant about citizens united and talk about dark money and when I would explain to them what the case was about they would kind of blanche and say oh. Yeah. You actually don't want to be able to censor books. So it is. It is interesting. I gotta ask you this because out of personal curiosity if nothing else and you were on a shortlist as a Supreme Court possibility of the battling Lumbini had a hilarious article about you dressing up as a woman so you could get it. But in fact, you don't seem to want it is that is that true? That that is true. And actually talk about it quite a bit in in the book. What one vote away I talk about for each of the three vacancies we've had president trump and I have had serious conversations about those vacancies particularly the first vacancy, the Justice Scalia vacancy. In November of twenty sixteen, the president. Pressed me pretty hard on whether I would be willing to go to the court and and I, I was deeply honored by by the possibility but I just said flat out. No, I didn't WANNA do it. and that was true with the latest list and I'll tell you the reason why which is that a principled judge stays out of political and policy fights, and if I were judge I would I'd stay out of them. I don't want to stay out of I want to be right in the middle of the big epic battles were having whether whether it's free enterprise versus socialism whether it's fighting for school choice whether it's fighting to secure the border whether it's fighting to rebuild the military whether it's fighting to move our embassy to Jerusalem. All of those are fights that belong in the political arena. and. So a story I recount in the book is, is this summer when when trump was putting together as new list, he called me I was actually visiting my in laws out in California, we were added a lake. With the girls and so I was standing on the dock and my flip flops and bathing suit and the girls are out on the out of the boat waterskiing. And the President Calls On my cell and he says Ted I want to put together a new list for the Supreme Court and he asked he said Hey, can I ask you to the list? I'd like to add you the list and I told him on the phone I said Mr President if it's helpful if it's beneficial. To put me on the list. Sure. Happy to be honoured if it's helpful for me to be on it. But you should know I. Don't want the job and I wouldn't take it. And that's what I've told them for each of the three vacancies. And frankly. Andrew you can see why right now the fight over Judge Barrett. In the Senate we're in the middle of an epic battle and I am leading the fight to confirm Judge Barrett. And and and I hope to be part of nominating and confirming two, three, four, five. Principled constitutionalists to the court. I just don't want me to be one of them. I'm just about out of time, but I have to ask you as the debate is coming up at this poll seem incredibly lockdown. They seem incredibly steady with Biden in the lead. Do you see this as a genuine problem going forward or do you doubt the polls? How do you feel quickly to ask you how do you feel about the election going on? I. Think the election volatile it could go either way. The left is gonNA show up in huge numbers they hate the president they'll crawl over broken glass. Make sure everyone else shows up. We gotta make sure the people who love free enterprise in the Constitution and bill of rights show up and let me encourage your listeners the book one vote away it came out today. So it just launched today it's already number five on Amazon bestsellers list as of noon today go to Amazon go to Barnes and noble anywhere you get your book order, the Book and its design you don't have to be a lawyer it's designed. 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They're also deep discounts on all other mypillow products to enter Promo Code daily wire or call eight, hundred, six, five, one, one, one, four, eight for these great radio specials so. To go back just to finish talking a little bit about Amy Coney Barrett and they kind of fight she's GonNa face I I was wondering is interesting to me that Senator Cruz said they. He does not think that they will hold back because because the base won't let them if they don't show up and fight see I was thinking well, maybe they don't want to. Maybe. They don't want to alienate voters so close to the election but on the other hand, they alienate their own voters if they if they don't show up and fight the fight, you know. So it is a really they're kind of caught in a vice as well, which is really an it's an interesting as always just a fascinating political situation. So we're talking about the way they're attacking her for her. Christianity, which is really an attack. It's not just an attack on Christianity sees the attack on the values of Christianity, and it's not just an attack on motherhood or feminine, and it's an attack on humanity because humanity gets in the way humanity gets in the way of socialism. This is it's really an important point. It doesn't get in the way of capitalism it just doesn't help capitalism humanity. Sort of gets in the way of capitalism because he might not buy something or you might not do something to earn more money because of your humanity as I constantly say the mistake that capitalist make the Iran kind of capitalist capitalism harnesses greed for the common good and that is wonderful but it doesn't turn greed into a good see. That's the that's the logical error that kind of Ayn, rand capitalism. Capitalist make greed is still a sin and you can tell it's a sin because when capitalism is unrestrained by values, people do terrible things for profits they build railroads, which is great for humanity, but they kill a lot of Chinese slaves who are working on the railroads as they do it. So you need these values I value conversed with the attacks amy, Barrett, and her children and her adoptions and her. Opposition to Roe v Wade although Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned by her anytime soon, that's not going to happen but the opposition to abortion all of these things are human things get in the way of socialism specifically because socialism is is selling you the idea that your creature comforts are more important than your freedom we will give you stuff if you will. Give us the power to make decisions for us. We will give you free healthcare you will get free healthcare but if you say want to smoke a cigarette or when I have a third child or want to do something that we don't like the we get to say, no, you can't do that because we're in control of your healthcare, and if you don't think happens it does. If, we want to say you know what you're too old for us to waste the calm and money on you. So you have to die now they will make that decision as well. A never trust the never trust them when they say they won't make that decision because they will most certainly make it. So this is why you get this kind of hysteria about Christianity because it gets in the way of all the values aren't feminine entity to. Again is not a useful thing. It is a good thing that's a big difference. It is something higher than useful. It is an actual good I mean just take a look take a look at Bill Maher at what he had to say about Amy Kuney, barbaric kind of like the natural leftist reaction to what was hilariously called an. Ex Catholic. Apparently the pick is going to be this me on me Amy Colmey. be saying this name a lot I'm sure she's a nut. Religion I was right about that. What do? Amy. starry. Buck. Amy Komi Barrett Catholic really Catholic I mean really really Catholic like speaking in tongues like she doesn't believe in condoms what she has in common with trump because he doesn't need them. So you know that is typically always I've said this before, but it's always sachs, which is elevated to the level of your individuality, your sexual desires, sexual practices. These are the things that you have to be free about the need to be free with your opinions. You know that's like in citizens united we can cancel your complaints about a political candidate by WHOA WHOA WHOA. If we stop you a guy from dressing up in a skirt and lipstick, then we have really really damaged your individuality because it's not your opinions it's always your sex because you're just a material beast that's all you are and this this really is the issue that we're dealing with. It's really not capitalism vs socialism. It's really not left versus right. It's materialism versus spirituality as an idea of a world made by God being creatures made by a creator versus this world of just being pieces of meat with chemistry sets inside. I just I just end this here by saying the thing that really is interesting to me. What really interesting to me is when you look at Amy Coney Barrett She certainly hasn't been held back by her opinions whatever they are appointed to the you know she's on nominated for the Supreme Court so that she's obviously doing well in terms of career. He's got these kids the kids look happy I. Don't know if they need. You know I don't know if there's any problem there but the they seem, they seem fine. She's also though obviously brilliant she's obviously one of those kind of once in a lifetime brilliant jurists light cavenaugh like Scalia she obviously has kind of the way people talk about her as if they are just stunned by her intelligence. So my question is why these journalists and Bill, Maher? These guys were moderately intelligent. Why don't they look at more intelligent people like eighty coney Barrett and Scalia and say they believe in these things maybe on the idiot. The person is wrong. They never do because they were fully invested in the materialism, and if you take that away from them, you take away everything. Rod Power Bikes Rad Power Bikes with you want a new way to get around town or out nature even with the kids in tow, you've got to try one of these Rad power bikes. 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They're arguing now whether Biden is allowed to have a thing in his ear, he doesn't WanNa promise that he won't have anything his ear he wants what did they say that he wants a thick breaks every thirty minutes it's ninety minutes even I can stand up for ninety minutes. Anybody can stand up for nine. Nacho, by needs a break, every thirty minutes to takes more at all For an all new episode of daily wire backstage watching the debate with us and get our immediate live reaction to this major political event and even better you can join daily wire. Now is an inside or all access member and get twenty percent off with code debate. So you can watch all the debate coverage live on your apple TV or Roku Apple Watch the debate with us on daily wire dot com, Youtube, and Facebook, and get twenty percents off your daily wire. Membership with code debate when you sign up today ever reminds me I forgot to Promo Tomorrow's mail back. Tomorrow is the MAILBAG YOU WANNA subscribe. So you can ask me questions go subscribe daily Wire Dot Com hit the podcast button at the Andrew Klavan podcasts at the mailbag symbol and send in your questions on anything you want religion politics or personal life all my answers guaranteed one hundred percent correct and will change your life. Will they change your life for the better? But if you subscribe, you can find out if you WANNA. Send video question please do we love to see you as you ask your question but keep it under a minute because we don't have time to edit it and we can't play it of its long mailbag bag is tomorrow. or I want to go back yesterday we were talking about this ridiculous New York Times tax story which the more I read about it. I read the whole story when it came out this is the story where they got twenty years of trump's taxes and found out that he paid as little as possible and doesn't seem to have broken any laws. He has one deduction that he made under an Obama. Regulation that the IRS is questioning and looking at. Until the you know the. New York Times made a big deal about this but really it's it's a truly nothing story. It is a genuine damp squib of another one of these bombshells, but it was obviously time to come out just as the debate was starting. So now Chris Wallace has to ask the question about it and it's a good question whether he'll ask about this but also ask about Hunter Biden and the money he made while he was in the White House come on and here's the deal they'll say not answer anything But but even so it's just it's a it's timed is obviously done in tandem with the Democrats. They don't have to call up and make a phone call about it. They know how to do. It was interesting to watch how it's being covered. You know the thing is this is not that the press is biased. I'm not saying that the press is biased against president trump no, no, no, no, no no. No I would never say that the problem is I mean the pro historian Jon meacham explain the problems cut three. I think it's an era and a moment to think a little grandly. Because president trump is the fullest manifestation of the darkest of American forces I'm some of the darkest of human forces, really selfishness and greed. Appetite and ambition and what the tax story shows and and. Endless data shows is that. He is a figure of created figure of fantasy wasn't the lion he's he's a poor person's idea of a rich person, but now he no, he's not even a rich person particularly. Got Paid seventy million dollars for in two years and taxes seventy million dollars that's almost more than I get paid for doing this. So I mean, I think I think we can say safely the Donald Trump is a rich person but the thing is the press is not biased. It's just happens to be trump is a manifestation of all human darkness see that's the thing that's and that's not an opinion that's not the bias. It's not like they. They just have gone insane and trump derangement syndrome. It is an actual fact that when human darkness manifest itself into human form, it becomes Donald Trump. That's just something that happens. You can see it I. Think it was in the movie human darkness or something. I can't remember what movie it was a horror film and human doctors manifest and there was trump. It was just a horrifying. So we have it on film. So obviously, it's not biased. It's not that they're biased, but it is interesting to note that the our friends at the media newsbusters. Have a new study out. that. Shows that this is really interesting for years ago. The liberal networks pounded Republican nominee donald trump with bad press yet he won the White House anyway now ABC CBS and NBC Evening Newscasts, or giving trump the same hostile treatment. But they've softened their approach to the Democratic opponent not only is Joe Biden facing much less negative coverage than the president he has received only one sixth as much. Negative coverage as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton received during the early weeks of the two thousand, sixteen general election i. told you this yesterday that you know at major major venues they're basically saying you know, let's not let's not go after even if we shouldn't criticize them all because we might affect the election in a way we don't want it to go and then the manifestation few not just. Donald Trump I. mean it's not just a man. It's not just a man going into the white. House is a manifestation of human is the Avatar the Avatar of human. Darkness. Unbelievable unbelievable. So when they are confronted with the fact that this New York Times Squibb is a hit piece coordinated. With the Democratic Party to be. Set up for the debate. I got I got. This is one of my. This is my favorite cut of the day. Basically is poppy harlow interviewing a deputy press secretary. Brian Morgenstern. About this story, you've gotTa Watch this watch her reaction. Where the taxes on hunters three and a half million from Russia where the tax. Dollars from should not president. Of millions of dollars, the president's spokesman about someone who is not Germane to this conversation who is not running for president has ever asked. Them. Ryan. Pleased our viewers, the service of. About the man you work because I asked the question, it's another version of it from four years ago. Of A debate coordinated with the Democrats as a political hit. Okay. That's Brian I. Just GonNa Stop You there. These are remarkable reports in the New York? Times who went through twenty years of documents. It is not okay for you to accuse them with no facts of coordinating with the Democratic Party. How? This interview will add. Do Not confronted by corruption. Left left over, we want to be corrupt but you're not allowed to say where corrupt it's in the this in the Bible. Actually if you're years offend you cut off the guys Mike. It's not like. Oh. If I'm offended by faces in my the mirror break La-. Mirror. That's what they but it's fair because Donald Trump is not just donald trump he's manifestation of few darkness just so. You know I mean this is the way it's gotta be it is it is unbelievable. You know. That you remember you may not remember this anymore because everything goes so fast in the age of era of trump and there's so much news this heart remember one day from the next. But you may remember there was this thing this Russian collusion, three years of coverage of Russian collusion it went on and on and on. Now it is blown up completely in their faces and they're yelling at Bill Bar, the attorney general yelling at him this as bringing shame Justice Department bikes, bozing the fact that the Justice Department and the person of the FBI. Basically, they used information from a suspected Russian spy to go after trump to wiretap everything trump said every single thing trump said about the Russian investigation was true. It was a hoax they bug his people they were spying on him. It was corruption going right up to the top Obama almost definitely knew about it everything trump said is true and now that it's blown up. I, just want to I just want to show you Brian stelter. This is another from Marcy they put together this little montage, Brian South stelter. He can't understand why everybody's so upset about it, and then they go back in time. So disappointing to look at what we're seeing right wing media these days where there's such an obsession with the deep state and these revelations about the Russia pro. This latest on the Robert Mueller Russia investigation. Muller investigates the Russia Investigation Trump's rusher ties in Robert Muller the real Russia's story Russia pro ongoing Russia probe Russia pro brushing but muller and the Russia Pro Russia synergies. A wonder if Russia has compromising information on the president, what is the source for the president's claim that they have found no collusion with Russia he misspelled collusion every day we're trying to keep track of the drip drip drip of the Russia investigation ripped drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip trump, and Russia to see whether trump was secretly working for Russia to bring it back to Russia Russia Russia Russia. Russia Russia Russia. Russia Russia Russia. Russia Robert. Mueller. Special Counsel Robert Muller Muller Robert Muller Robert Muller Muller Muller Mrt Muller reports conspiracy. It's now they get this bogus tax story from the new. York Times has nothing tax rate who do they bring onto discuss it Andrew Weissmann Muller investigator this eight. The president's tax returns have been revealed by the New York, times several years of them and a lay person like me looks at them and see one thing you are a prosecutor. You are somebody who investigated the president and some of these issues for many many years what jumps out to you. Would jumps out to me. Savannah is a two thousand, fourteen statement from Eric Trump where trump said that the trump organization does not rely on American banks because they have plenty of funding from Russia. We've got them. Finally we've got he's got funding for Russia if you're not gonNA believe a guy who went after, did a hit job on Donald Trump with the muller investigation. At least you've got to believe Jeff Daniels this cut fourteen. Talking about in Helsinki what were you know August I mean there's there's all of that the tax germs that he won't show us. It's so obvious and where is he getting the money? Where did he get all the money and and I mean all roads is as speaker Pelosi is that all roads lead to Putin and you know time's running out this is a bad movie we're living through. That's what says once a life and death, it's a bad movie. Speaking, about movies, you can't believe an actor and you can't believe an actor who can believe speaking in bed we Jeff Daniels Napoli. James. Comey in a movie of James Combs Book and they're not even. Acknowledging all the stuff that's come out about Komi. He said in one interview he said Jeff Daniels said, the truth is like a religion to James. Oh. My God. Well, it's okay though they're allowed to do this because trump is a manifestation of human doctrine. I thought I was a manifestation of human thought that I thought that was my entire role. I gotTA stop here I'm out of time, but we will be back tonight watching the debate and I hope you'll all join us and I. Hope you will be in the mail tomorrow. So your all your problems can be solved I'm Andrew Klavan this is the manifestation of human darkness known as the Andrew Klavan show. You enjoyed this episode don't forget to subscribe, and if you want to help spread the word, give us a five star review. Also tell you friends to subscribe to were available on Apple podcasts on spotify wherever you listen to podcasts. Also be sure to check out the other daily wire podcasts including the Ben Shapiro Show not, Wall Show and the Michael Null show. Thanks for listening the Andrew. Klavan show is produced by Robert Stirling executive producer. Jeremy Boring Technical Director is Austin. Stevens. 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"We will never give up. We will never concede it doesn't happen. You don't concede step. Our country is had enough. We will not take it anymore. And that's what this is all about and to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with. We will stop the steel today. I will lay out some of the evidence proving that we won this election and we wanted by a landslide. this was not a close election. You know. I say sometimes jokingly but there's no joke about it i've been in two elections. I want them both. And the second. One i one much bigger than the i stand up and fight. Stand up. And hold your representatives accountable. Were wrong we will be made fools of but as we're right a lot of them will go to jail so let's have trial by. Combat is up to congress to confront this egregious assault on a democracy and after this. We're going to walk down. And i'll be there with you. We're gonna walk down. We're going to walk down. Anyone you want but i think right here. We're going to walk down to the capital and we're gonna cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we'll probably not gonna be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be straw. Protesters overcome the police. A police are now running back into the capitol building. We have cheers from the protesters that are watching behind the scenes teams. I'm sarah cancer. The author of the bestselling books the view from flyover country and hiding in plain sight. I'm andrea chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller. Mr jones gaslight nation podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around the world and people are finally starting to find their spines that the democrats are in power and trump went or try to go full dictator and what he did basically showed the world what we've been warning about all along and we're going to dig into all of this where we are and where we think we're headed next is going to be an extra long episode because we are extra furious so Just stick with us as we pack it all. So here's where we stand. Currently social media giants are finally doing what they should have done all along and banning trump the pga golf tournament cut ties trump golf courses including pulling out of a scheduled tournament and the president's long time lender deutsche bank. The nazi bank will stop giving him money. Trump leaves office a billion dollars in debt according to forbes and was several ongoing investigations and surely more to come now that he incited and relishing insurrection. At this week trump will make history as the first president to be impeached twice yet. There are millions of people who still see him as victim. A savior a protector. Who had a quote landslide election stolen from him so we have our work. Cut out for us america. Five people were killed in trump's riot on the capital. The police officer. Brian sick nick and four hardcore trump supporters. What we want to make perfectly clear is that As the opening clips of this episode showed us that there was clear intent. This was intentional. The trump family and their enablers knew what they're doing when they incited a violent attempted coup. That is clear over and over again. We've seen their violent rhetoric. We've seen their assault on our democracy for the last five years that they've when it came to power with the help of the mass murdering xenophobic terrorist regime the kremlin and how they ruled starting straight off the bat with the muslim ban and putting kids in cages separating families. This is who they are. they've always been. It was all done in plain sight. Congratulations to all the white men. And the women the media who are finally catching up to this and thank you to the journalists of color who are coming out and sharing their stories and naming names of who newsrooms were trying to suppress obvious for many of us all along alright so we are going to keep going here and just went out some some things. Trumps started and ended his presidency with the charlottesville massacre. A sweeping kremlin cyberattack disastrous and inexcusable intelligence failure and disinflation fueled violence enabled by twitter facebook and google donald trump attacked when we were at our weakest. America was stuff is suffering from a pandemic killing around the total number of americans that died in world war. Two and the kremlin which of course helped him come to power unleashed a massive cyberattack against the us government and american companies. that's being compared to pearl harbor. It can take years for us to fully understand and resolve the kremlin has done to us so donald trump chose this moment when america was most vulnerable to launch a violent coup against our nation. The guardian has a timeline here of trump's inflammatory rhetoric leading up to the capital riot. I'll read from it now. The violent riot inside the capitol and wednesday by a pro-trump mob and far right groups seeking to overturn the results. That presidential election have led to calls for those who incited the direction to be prosecuted as they should were federal agents to investigate the matter they would find no shortage of examples of inflammatory remarks coming from donald trump. His family and close circle in the immediate. Run up to the mayhem. Nineteen december be. There will be wild at one forty two. Am in the early hours of nineteen december. Trump tweeted the lie that it was statistically impossible for him to have lost the presidential election. He gave his first notice of a quote. Big protests in dc on the sixth of january be there will be wild. He said nineteen december. The cavalry is coming within hours. Fervent trump supporters began to heed trump's rallying cry kylie jayme cramer founder of a stop. The steel group banned by facebook picked up the notice about the march and ran with it. The cavalry is coming. mr president. She said trump tweeted Post saying a great honor first of january. You got to go the streets and be violent. Louie gohmert a republican congressman from texas responded inflammatory terms to news that its federal lawsuit seeking to force the vice president mike pence to block certification of joe biden's victory had been dismissed quote. The bottom line is the court is saying. We're not gonna touch this. You have no remedy. He told the right wing outlet newsmax. Basically in effect the ruling would be that you got to go the streets and be as violent as antifa. Third of january will not go quietly into the night. Ted cruz the us senator from texas. Who became a leading proponent of challenging troll college vote in congress overturned trump's two feet addressed a rally in georgia quote. We will not go quietly into the night. We will defend liberty and we're going to win fifth of january they will be primary d- eric trump. The president son made a direct political threat to any republican member of congress. Who dared vote in favor of biden's look towards college victory at the following day's ceremonial joint session quote. I will personally work to defeat. Every single republican senator congressman. Who doesn't stand up against this fraud. They will be primarily in their next election and they will lose six of january coming for you. Trump's eldest child don jr. appeared as the warm of act at the save america rally on the national mall a walk away from the. Us capital yelling at the crowd. He turned on the republicans who as he spoke. Were preparing to vote uncertified. The election result quote the people who did nothing to stop the steel. This gathering should send a message to them. This isn't the republican party anymore. This is donald trump's than the president's son said if you're going to be zero and not the hero were coming for you a. We're going to have a good time doing it. Six of january trial by combat. Trump's personal lawyer. The former mayor of new york city rudy giuliani. Who has been a leading proponent of the falsehood of the election was fraudulently rigged addressed the rally quote. If we're wrong we'll be made fools of he said but we're right. A lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat. Six january will not take it anymore. Trump himself been addressed the crowd just outside the white house for more than an hour urging them to march on the capitol building quote. We will not take it anymore. He said quote. You'll never take back our country weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. I know everyone here will soon be marching over the capitol building to peacefully patriotically. Make your voices heard. The crowd followed his instructions of begin marching on the capital january. Six a raised fist on wednesday afternoon. As the crowd of trump's supporters was gaining in strength in anger on the east side of the capitol. Josh hawley greeted them with the raised left fist. The republican from missouri was the first us senator to announce he would vote against the certification of biden's electoral college victory. As have one thing. I wanna add to this. And i'm going to read something This is an article. I wrote on october thirteenth. But there's a little twist here. It's called donald. Trump's conspiracy theories are making his supporters paranoid and dangerous. And i just read briefly from this. This is not the first time trump fans of threatened to take action if their candidate loses in november. Such threats date back to the primaries. Were some trump. Supporters began telling reporters that they're going to take up arms and formed militias. Should they're racist. Sexist hero face to fee. The calls continued into the general election when they were echoed by trump advisers roger stone. Who proclaimed that there would be a bloodbath if trump loses an august. I following a crash in the polls trump himself proclaimed that the election was rigged a claim he has repeated constantly since in trump's university is very easy to tell if an election is rigged. No proof required. An election is rigged if trump loses an election is fair if trump wins and the twist here is that i wrote this article for courts on october thirteenth twenty sixteen. I wrote this article over four years ago because that is how long they have been planning a violent insurrection. A bloodbath a siege of the capital and attack on america. And all that we've had over the past. Four years was our institutions being purposefully dismantled by a kremlin asset backed by transnational organized crime in order to make this this attack more successful in order to gut the institutions. That are supposed to protect us. Pack them with latkes packed with violent loyalists white supremacists. This was coming so far in advance that you literally cannot tell the difference between an article that i published before he was even the president and one that comes out now and i know you're going to get into the details of how exactly this happened and who was complicit in why so i will let you continue here but i want to bring that point home. Is they've been working for this for so long. And that is why stone and manafort and flynn and erik. Prince's warm mercenaries from blackwater. Were pardoned right before this election. One quite possibly so that they could be advisers and guide the participation of others but also to send a signal that there would never be consequences that this was the winning side. This was the shameless side. This is the anti-american side and they were openly encouraging people to join it and in that sense the lack of preparation in the lack of protection of this country and its people is unforgivable. 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We do monthly cuna and has all of this has been unfolded a question from believe it was spring of two thousand eighteen. Came back to me where somebody asked us. What do you think of trump pardoning these war criminals is it a signal to his supporters. That you'll get away with horrendous horrific violence we were like yeah absolutely. It's a recruitment tool these assassination. Police assassination videos their recruitment tool. They're furthering the crisis a white supremacist. Terrorists infiltrating our police our military and so forth and ivanka and the whole family. They've been posing with all these police in. We're on your side. We're on your side and we heard the protesters storming the capitol. Police were on your side. We're on your side because all of this has been building up to this moment in terms of recruiting their storm troopers. Two-wheeled them as steve bannon said a blunt force instrument. This is all done deliberately. These guys rely on terrorist tactics to come to power to consolidate power and stay in power. So we're going to break all down of who failed us in this moment. Who needs to go what we all need to do about it. An ensure gets done. I'm so i wanted to just highlight. How much of the clear intent was there under the warning signs were there. Propublica provides us in a twitter thread. Excellent breakdown of the invasion of the us capital all the chatter in this boiling stew of online trumpism and hyun on colts fever. That had been going on for weeks leading up to this. So propublica twitter the invasion of the. Us capital was discussed for weeks plain sight. We reviewed scores of social media posts. Many of them public welcoming violence leading up to wednesday's attack. See for yourself more than a week ago. The founder of the stop steel movement encourage people to bring tents and sleeping bags and avoid wearing masks for the event. If dc escalates. So do we he wrote. But far right supporters of president donald trump invent rallying on social media and saying the election stolen even weeks before that they openly discussed the idea of violent protests on the day congress met to certified the result on december twelve a poster on the website my militia dot com urged violence of senators. May joe biden's victory official if this does not change that. I advocate revolution adherence. To the rules of war. They wrote i say take the hill or die trying on december thirteen. Todd a lee suggested the rally should be taken seriously quote some of the old timers who don't get easily rattled. Sates coming he wrote. We'd best be ready quote. It's already a parent that literally. Millions of americans are on the verge of activating their second amendment duty to defeat tyranny and save the republic wrote another person by late december leaders of the stop still movement were texting supporters quote. We came up with the idea occupy just outside. The capital on january six says a message from december twenty third. The warnings of wednesday's assault on the capital were everywhere. When january six rolled around thousands of people came prepared to fight for reasons that remain unclear as of january seventh when this thread was first posted by propublica and we'll share in our show notes. His episodes you can read it. The law enforcement authorities charged with protecting the nation's entire legislative branch did not seem prepared to contain. The forces massed against them. Police struggled with flimsy barricades as a mob and helmets and bulletproof vest pushed its way towards the capital entrance. Video showed officers stepping aside and sometimes taking selfies as if to usher trump's supporters into the building. They were supposed to guard. Larry schaffer a former capital policeman. Well-versed in his agency's procedures was mystified by the scene. He watched unfold on live television quote. It's not a spur of the moment. Demonstration that just popped up. He said schaefer added. We have a planned known. Demonstration that has a propensity for violence the past and threats to carry weapons. Why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past a spokesperson for the capitol. Police did not respond. Republicans request for comment. So we're going to go into the police as well. And i wanted to keep it on the criminals opening the show. We heard the president and his family and giuliani calling for a direct assault. You must show strength we. We've bunked on her. Father both tweeted for their supporters not to harm the police leaving out elected officials and their staff. The police were on their side. Donald trump said in that tweet. Ivanka later deleted this tweet because she referred to their supporters as quote american patriots. So it's true that the police many of them were on the side of the trump family and attempted dictatorship and there were police. Military veterans in the in the violent mob including the air force veteran and cunanan. Trump's support ashley abbott. Who was killed by police. While trying to break into the capital we saw video of capital police leading the protesters right in and taking selfies with them as pointed out to capitol. Police officers have been suspended and one has been arrested. I want to highlight for everybody. If you haven't seen it yet watched this video. We're going to share in our show notes for this episode and again you can find our show notes so every week. We post our episode on patriotic. It's free you can listen to it for free and below you'll find the show notes so fine the patriots link for this week's episode and the shots are on the bottom. You can access that free and in our show notes. Look for the video. That don jr. post took of his family's tailgating party before their big rally started. Ivanka can be seen staring intently at the screens with her father. Showing the rally that's about to get started both vonk on our father have an intense focused look on their faces as they speak closely together immediately. Following the attempted violent coup. The new york times ran a piece. Claiming charles kushner jared's criminal father ivanka's father-in-law who recently pardoned by the president. Charles coaster was quoted as saying through a source that they do not control donald trump. clearly they profit off of him though and his antics. Ivanka could refuse to participate. In this rally. She could have accepted biden's victory and committed to fact checking the big lie that the election was stolen and called for unity called for an end to the violence being organized online by her father. Supporters were also her supporters. She had full control to do any of those things but she chose not to. Yvonne ca stood to benefit should. This coup have been successful. Ivanka is a longtime close friend. With the daughter of a russian oligarch who was married for many years to another russian oligarch who is like a son to putin. Ivanka is as craven in herm. Bishen as josh hawley and ted cruz. She wanted to stay in power to continue her life of power and escaping consequences. Now that she's forced to leave the white house. She phases investigations hopefully consequences in two or tax fraud into her alleged tax fraud and also the wrongdoing and financial fraud around the inauguration. That's being investigated by the dc district attorney and certainly they'll be more investigations brought against her and her family. Everyone should watch. Don jr. tell getting video as a show is about to start the show where the family and their accomplices like chief enabler chief of staff mark meadows below the gun and hand it to their seve's orders. Keep your eye on. Avant or father is chilling to see them together so serious so focused. Ivanka is him and she is his favourite for a reason. Vonk is her father's ideal. There is even an essay by one of her childhood friends who described how her father knew who have. Competition was for prettiest girl in school. That's how he saw his daughter as his trophy. Josh hawley and ted cruz are so delusional that they actually thought they stood a chance of being anointed trump successor. Earning his blessing in a support to run for president. One day of buckle already holds that spa and always will even idiot. San don jr. a true believer in politics whereas his sisters an opportunist who actually fold people into thinking. She's a democrat by giving a moderate speech at the republican convention in two thousand sixteen which was full of fascist pageantry including trump telling the crowd. I alone can fix it. Mussalini style america. First is trump first. Josh hawley and ted cruz can never compete with the trump. Vodka trump mocked martha mcsally when he campaigned for an arizona and drove down the conservative. Vote in georgia for leffler and purdue but for vodka trump would pull out all the stops. She wouldn't even have to waste time. Running for congress should aim straight for the white house like her father. Did vodka doesn't get brought to justice for sedition and her role on her father's corruption and criminality will face the risk of bunker administration which will be far more dangerous than her father's because she would have learned from his mistakes and the press are idiots when it comes to ivanka. Jared and ivanka no the dark arts of medium and manipulation. Well they ran a new york city newspaper for many years through all these media and tech parties in new york journey vodka joined their father in running this country into the ground together. The three of them were the president had states. His crimes are also their crimes but a vonk jeter so good at leaking to the press other able to live above the fray mythological creatures law enforcement and elected officials must finally do the work of bringing them back to earth by bringing them to justice. Absolutely right and i basically see three potential paths for the united states that are intertwined with the paths of ivanka trump as the successor the first half of the one we dreaded and at least temporarily overrode through the election of joe biden. The legitimate election of joe biden The path where trump would have won the election and would have simply stayed in power and we saw openly how he was grooming her as successor. They want to start a dynastic kleptocracy. We've gone over the reasons for this a million times but you briefly review This is a mafia family. mafia secrets. Stay in the family. The world of a dictator and of a mafioso is insular and small and it relies on kin networks. You know they call it the family for a reason and so that could be one potential path for the united states if this violent coup is to succeed and if he is to stay in power and i completely agree with andrea that holly and crews in the rest of these. Gop latkes never stood a chance here to this daughter who has a very unique relationship with these second. Outcome is another one. In which the trump progeny will benefit as well as trump himself and. That is the collapse of the united states. That's the collapse. The united states and being partitioned into little fiefdoms that will be ruled by oligarchs and plutocrats with some sort of state apparatus. Put in charge. This is a goal of trump and his backers. It's been a goal of them for a long time. It's in particular. Been a goal of vladimir putin who never recovered from the collapse of the soviet union and has sought to replicate it throughout the world whether breaking up the eu Which he was able to do with brexit and then supporting and stirring up backers for secessionist movements in the united states and those movements. Of course you know already existed particularly in texas. They go way back. They tended to be quite small. The california one is relatively new. They're directly connected to russia and there have been a number of investigative journalists. Looked into this. Casey michelle in particular is somebody. I recommend if the united states collapses which i think is an absolutely horrific outcome and you need to stop this bullshit. Talk about secession. And let the south secede you know all you people were saying that. Look at georgia. Look at what just happened in georgia. Where stacey. Abrams and the grassroots organizers on the ground not only turned the state blue for joe biden but regained control of the senate for the democratic party. And here you were in your little elite northern snobbery blowing off this whole state and saying that it should leave. So i'm hoping if anything you finally fucking learn your lesson from that. And yes. I'm pissed because i live in missouri. God only knows where they'll saint. Louis is going to go like if this happens. Saint louis would probably try to join illinois illinois will be like fuck no and i'm gonna live in a city state but anyway it's not the point if the united states collapses the trump children their backers foreign oligarchs kushner supporters in the middle east. They will just come in and scoop up land and resources from the united states they will continue of the environmental devastation. That trump has wanted to do. They will drill in arctic refugees. They will drill in the grand canyon. You will lose your national parks. You will lose your national monuments and we'll have a psychological trauma that i can't even begin to describe. I spent a lot of time in the former soviet union. That was my area of study before switched to studying autocracy in my own country and it was traumatic for people when it fell and let me be clear. The soviet union was indeed an evil empire. That is one of the few things that ronald reagan got right and the formation of the soviet union is extremely different from the formation of the united states these republics each had their own language and culture and they were colonized. russia is an imperial power and it colonized these republics. My specialty was central asia. Where people were forced to be atheists instead of muslims forced to speak russian instead of us back taiji or their other native language to get rid of their customers. I mean we're there is a similarity is in the treatment of us. Subtler colonialists to native americans who they primarily wiped out through genocide but otherwise did the same thing force them to convert to christianity. Forced them to give up their identities. Anyway my point is that even though the formation of the ussr in the us are very different. Ideologically very different. The aftermath would look very much like it would consist of a bunch of corrupt mafiosos coming in and stripping off his country and selling it for parts and that is why they put donald trump in office. To begin with it was to continue that plan and many of the participants in the bulldozing of the post. Ussr are literally the same people. I mean paul manafort for example was one of them. They've made an enormous amount of money doing this over there. They simply want to do it over here. Ivanka trump would be one of the prime beneficiaries of that and she would probably be installed as one of the leaders of this divided america and then that brings me to the third possibility which is the one. We must insist on happening. Which is that. They are actually held accountable for their crimes. That means that all of their crimes need to be revealed. The crimes that they committed in office the crimes that they committed before they were in office. The vast international espionage and mafia network. That includes people like jeffrey epstein. Non kashogi a recently deceased all of trump's backers in the middle east Netanyahu and bs these are also people lined with kushner the whole sordid story. I told a great deal of the story in hiding in plain sight and other authors have told parts of it. You could look at wayne. Barrett david johnson. Craig unger malcolm nance julie brown for the epstein stuff. This all needs to be aired out. There will be no unity without accountability and there will be no accountability without the truth. And so that is the way forward. Is that everyone involved in. This needs to be investigated. And they need to be prosecuted where that's merited and incarcerated and they need to be removed from power. They need to be ostracized. They need to be d platform. They need to be put out of business for good or our country is not going to survive and andrea and i have been telling you that for four years and now the capital is lying in shards of glass on the floor with bodies removed from it. So hopefully hopefully you have finally gotten our point and i'm not aiming this at gas nation listeners. Because i know you all already know this a anyone else who this is news flash. If it's a newsflash then you're complicit in it. You helped do this. You helped kill this country. You helped kill people through corona virus. You helped bring this down if you're shocked right now and so. Never forget people use shock. They feigned shock to dodge accountability. That's what many elected officials are doing right now. Many journalists are doing right now and it's disgusting and i will now let you continue andrea. Sorry about that well. Speaking of an utter lack of accountability. Why did the sea of mostly white men storm nation's capital because they could trump has been getting away with crimes out in the open harassing and purging law enforcement. Like lisa page in peter struck of the fbi. Andrew mccabe and bruce door of the doj among others. He and his family escaped the muller investigation which mostly targeted low hanging fruit. Trump went onto part pardon metaphor apart and he singled out in the open to ensure manafort wouldn't flip it worked. So why did these men mostly white. Men stormed the capital post videos of themselves committing crimes. Because they were shown by the pres- united states that they too could get away with crimes and most importantly they were acting with the support and the backing of the most powerful person in the world. Trump was reportedly watching with delight from the white house. A complaint that trump the professional showman did have is that his supporters looked low class. Something he doesn't like and that turned him off but the crimes they committed in his name the terror they inflicted under his direct orders. Pleased him it was the plan all along. Trump has spent the past five years putting the lives of law enforcement and regular people in danger. I have seen how horrifying this is to go through because my sister. Alexandra shopper the independent contractor. Who tried to warn both the democratic party and republicans that the kremlin wasn't attacking our democracy through putin's operative paul manafort who is running trump's campaign Screaming high heavens about that to anyone who would listen and she paid the price for it. She was a target of trump and the kremlin's harassment and was and they made her a key figure a big target during trump's impeachment hearings. She counts among them Among the countless who were harassed and hounded for being american patriots in trying to protect this country sovereignty practically everything trump administration has done over the past. Five years was an assault our democracy. What happened on january. Six was always there in nearly everything needed and said trump kept telling us he wanted to become a dictator. Only those who live cloistered in their privilege refused to believe him so meanwhile as the angry mob trump incited attack the capital showing further proof that this was all coordinated intentional ask. Senators are being evacuated in as all of these representatives and their staff are being hunted. What is trump do is not just binge watching this kiosk delight on live. Tv he's calling up newly elected. Senator of alabama tommy to reveal to make sure that tommy to everything i can to try to stop the certification of the election essentially overthrow the elections. All part is larger scheme that he in guiliani are desperate to push. We know this because trump dialed the wrong number. He instead called. Senator mike lee of utah and This is happening while the senators are being evacuated trumbull at the attack. Continue for hours and finally finally after enough people fought to get through to him. He finally posted a video calling for peace in this video. He honors the seditious harris as special later that evening with the situation of the capital. Still tents and dc under a six pm curfew trump railed again on twitter lying. The election was stolen from him. He goes on to post another video promising to transfer power to a new administration but then later regrets it for as he claims making him look weak. Qurna washington post simply put. The president got what he wanted by inciting an attack on our nation's capital and terrorizing the government officials who refused to make him a dictator. And he got to bask in his supporters love and loyalty trump remains defiant and a threat. He should be indicted and arrested and prevented from ever running for office again. Absolutely and one of the chilling things about this and about you know the complicity the lack of protection the fact that all this is announced in advance and was not stopped and that they are so far. Been relatively little move to enforce consequences. You know we've seen scattered arrests and that's good a lot of those arrests game because citizens we're seeing people from the publicly released video. That was all over the internet. Some of these guys were doing interviews with the new york times giving their real names their locations and they show up and the fbi shows up and them so it's like wow Brilliant work fbi a way to go for a really crack in that case. I mean that they have managed to stop other things. So i am grateful for those f. b. i. agents who are actually trying to stop white. Supremacist domestic terrorist violence. But one thing that is Very alarming to me is that this is a prelude there will very likely be more attacks to come. And we've been talking about this on the show for months and really for years we've been saying that this period between the election and the inauguration who's going to be one of the most dangerous times in american history and we were absolutely right and if there's another lesson to take from this is that this transition period needs to be like one week to week tops. Because of the potential of this happening they are planning more attacks. Not just in washington. Dc but in every state capital around the country. They're planning were violence. People seem to have forgotten that there was a bomber in nashville who blew out the infrastructure for one hundred and eighty mile radius around the city. Use a suicide bomber. People feel reluctant to call him this because he didn't kill anyone instead. He released a warning to get out of the way. But you know nashville was destroyed on christmas day. And the fact that people just kind of forgot that what's been going on but jesus that is assigned to come and that's what i've been worried about. I've never been worried. That seventy million trump voters are going to start blowing shit up like that was not a concern. There's always been a gap between the trump voter and the trump base the fanatics in. It's the fanatics. We need to worry about. And i don't think there are that many fanatics but as we saw abundantly on january six. It does not take an enormous amount of people to cause an enormous problem so we are very likely to see more of these events playing out in different cities throughout the country. We had bill barr on a tour of american police. Bureaus for the last few months of his tenure. Why was he doing that. That's a question that should be asked. We were worried that he was doing that. For the exact reasons that we're bringing up now and to be clear once again. The participants in this event have announced that this is going to happen. They've given to dates january seventeenth and january twentieth and they've posted all of their information plans on parlor after being removed From twitter and facebook and from other social media website so perhaps that increases the chances of them getting caught in advance and being unable to carry out these crimes. But you know. I'm very worried that we're going to see something reminiscent of oklahoma city in nineteen ninety five on a massive scale where you know. There are a lot of backers a of support behind them. This lone wolf thing is a myth but in terms of what does it take for somebody to do a gigantic attack like it. One guy and a truck of fertilizer and bombs. We just saw this nashville. And i'm not seeing the proper sense of urgency in response to this. And i'm definitely not seeing the kind of unity you would expect from our law enforcement agencies from our intelligence agencies that are supposed to counter terrorism. I'm not seeing it. If this has been a foreign attack the whole country would be up in arms and grieving. If this had been black people storming the capital muslim people. Muslim americans storming the capital. This would undoubtedly be declared a terrorist attack. This would have been just unequivocally denounced by every republican instead. They are supporting it. And the reason for that is white. Supremacy and white supremacists as old as america itself. It is not going away. It needs to be suppressed in needs to be beaten out of the system as we're really in a bind if our representatives are instead calling for unity with the violent white supremacist. I'm all for a call for unity. But the unity has to be against white supremacy against fascism against corruption against transnational organized crime. They should not be difficult things for people to oppose. This should just be like your baseline expectation of democracy in america. And if you're an elected official and you can't get on board with that with that. Very premise of. Let's not kill each other. Let's not rig elections. Let's not team up with foreign oligarchs and dictators to take down the united states from inside and destroy it and hurt people and kill cops. I mean that's another thing to bring up as a suddenly blue lives. Don't matter to the gop if a blue life is lost fighting a white supremacist mob. They will choose the white supremacist mob over the police officers who tried to work to protect elected officials from them. That's how deep this goes. That's how serious this is and i don't. I'm sure you have more to say the bottom line is this was a coordinated attack driven by donald trump and his family. And they're in their enablers. That's what this is clear intent. Throw everything that we're saying. And there's plenty of evidence of this clear intent. Now let's look at the security failures here because when we talk about accountability and consequences. What we mean is massively needed desperately needed systemic changes including with law enforcement and how they respond to this very real threat of civil war being waged against us white supremacy terrorism. They are asleep this is. There's no other way to put it so just so people understand how serious this is. We're going to slow down now and read from this report in the washington post in an interview with one of the law enforcement officers who failed our country. Even though there's plenty of warnings So from the washington post two days before congress was set to formalize president elect. Joe biden's victory capital police chief. Stephen son was growing increasingly worried about the size of the pro. Trump crowds expected to stream into washington. Protest to be on the safe side. Sunday asked house in senate security officials permission to request the dc. National guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup but sunday said sunday. They turned him down in his first interview. Since pro-trump rioters stormed the us capital last week. Sunde who has since resigned. His post said his supervisors were reluctant to take formal steps to put the guard on call. Even as police intelligence suggested that the crowd president trump had invited to washington to protest. His defeat probably would be much larger than earlier. Demonstrations how sergeant arms. Paul irving said he wasn't comfortable with the optics of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration said meanwhile senate sergeant at arms michael stinger suggested. That son should informally seek out his guard contacts asking them to lean forward and be on alert in case capitol. Police needed their help. So these are all the individuals who have blood on their hands. Urban could not be reached for comment a cell phone number listed in. His name has not accepted messages. Since wednesday messages left at a residency owns in nevada. Were not immediately returned. And there's no answer. Sunday evening at a water department listed in his name. A neighbor said recently moved out. Stenger declined sunday to comment on reporter visited his home in virginia. I really don't wanna talk about it. He said sure you don't. It was the first of six times. Son's request for help was rejected or delayed. He said two days later on wednesday afternoon his forces already in the midst of crisis sunset. He pleaded for help five more times as a scene far more dire than he ever imagined. There we go that lack of imagination from white men in power that keeps plaguing us unfolded on the historic capitol grounds. An army of eight thousand pro-trump demonstrators streamed down pennsylvania avenue after hearing trump's speak the white house sun's outer perimeter on the capital's west side was breached within fifteen minutes with one thousand four hundred capitol police officers on duty his forces were quickly overrun quote. If we would have had the national guard we could have held them at bay longer until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive. He said just. Before two pm the pro-trump mob entered the capital sending lawmakers and staff scrambling for safety dc. Police had quickly dispatched hundreds of officers to the scene. But it wasn't enough at two twenty six. Pm son said he joined conference call to the pentagon to plead for additional backup quote. I am making an urgent urgent immediate quest for national guard. Assistance send recalled. Saying i have got to get boots on the ground on the call. Were several officials from the dc government as well as officials from the pentagon including lieutenant general walter e Director of the army staff. The dc contingent was flabbergasted to hear piazza that he could not recommend that his boss army secretary ryan mccarthy approved the request. I don't like the visual of the national guard. Standing a police line with the capital in the background piot said coordinates sun and others on the call again and again son said the situation is dire recall john bell. Ciccio this chief of staff or dc mayor. Muriel bowser literally. This guy is on the phone. I mean crying out for help. It burned my memories. Pentagon officials have emphasized that the capitol police did not ask for dc guard. Backup ahead of the event or quest to put a riot contingency plan in place with guardsmen at the ready and then made an urgent questions. Writers were about to breach the building. Even though the guard isn't set up to be a quick reaction force like the police quote we rely on capitol police federal law enforcement bryden assessment of the situation pentagon spokesperson. Jonathan hoffman said during a news conference last week quote and based on that assessment that they had they believed they had sufficient personnel and did not make a request despite sends please. The first national guard personnel didn't arrive at the capitol until five forty pm after four people had died and the worst was long over sund age. Fifty five offered his resignation. The next day telling friends he felt. He had let his officers down which she did. Many lawmakers infuriated by the breach. An angry that they had been unable to reach sound at the height of the crisis. Were only too happy to accept it under pressure. From lawmakers stinger irving also resigned in a wide ranging interview son sought to defend his officers who he said had fought valiantly with threats of violence. Looming ahead of biden's january twentieth action. He said he remains worried. No kidding they need to cancel the public inauguration without doubt. I mean this is one of these things that i can't believe. They're not doing it already. Because first of all just for cova purposes alone. we're still at the height of a pandemic and the last thing we want is a bunch of people traveling to washington. Dc for a big public event. They've already announced that the national mall area in various parts of dc. Are you know under a national emergency. I believe the trump administration announced this. So there's a little bit of. I'm wary of it for a number of reasons. Because i don't know exactly what it entails but you know it is a national emergency because of trump but nonetheless what they need to do is have biden and harris stream. The inauguration do virtually did the democratic national convention virtually and that was fine. I think at this point quite honestly. They don't need to tell people where they are. Joe biden and kamala harris are assassination targets. Trump's backers have made that very clear they did not go into the capital just to break things in takes selfies. They went in there to kill people. I believe we. Have you know a clip from alexandria. Ocasio cortez where she says. Nearly half of the house was almost murdered. So this is very serious and any delusion they have that trump's backers would not go this far. The mob wouldn't take it there they need to throw those out. There is a mix of people at this event. i'm sure some of them were not murderous Some of them clearly were somewhere jacked up. You know they'd been taking steroids and all sorts of things to make themselves more aggressive and they have every intention of doing that and for those who are like. Oh if he doesn't have the inauguration it means the terrorists have won which unbelievably. I've been seeing people say this on twitter and it's so ridiculous if we keep our president elect safe and get him into office along with our black female vice president who i think in some respects is a bigger target because of that if we get them safely into office. That is a victory and also inauguration. Day i mean it's like a wedding versus a marriage. It's the marriage that matters. Does the marriage last is healthy. Does it endure not the day not the pomp and circumstance in splendor. This is also a very somber time. We're at a time of mass death end tyranny. It's not the time to have a party. It's rather akin honestly to win. Lyndon johnson was sworn in believe on a tarmac after john f. kennedy was assassinated. That's the mood of the country right now. So if joe biden wants to do a virtual event from a safe location. I think that is absolutely the wisest move yet without question. So i'm gonna continue reading here because it's really shocking and again this is the washington post. You can find this. No shots just before noon. Wednesday sound was monitoring. Trump's speech the crowd on the ellipse when he was called the way there were reports of two pipe bombs near the capitol grounds. So son didn't hear the president colin protesters to fight against lawmakers preparing to confirm biden's victory nor did he hear trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani urging the crowd to engage in trial by combat in erie reference to battles to the death in the series. Game of thrones son said he now suspects that the pipe bombs were an intentional effort to draw officers away from the capital perimeter. Sunde who was officially replaced as chief. Friday said he is left feeling that america's bastions of democracy need far more security. He said the violent crowd that mob the capital was unlike anything he has ever seen quote. They were extremely dangerous and they were extremely prepared. I have a hard time calling this demonstration. He said i'm a firm supporter of first amendment. This was none of that he added. This was criminal. Riotous activity son blamed trump for putting his officers at risk saying the crowd left that rally and had been incited by some of the words. The president said son said he fears what may come next and again illustration of clear intent. And i wanted also read from from the articles. Well we're son is describing the attack itself quote. As soon as they hit the fence line. The fight was on violent confrontations from the start. They came with riot. Helmets gas masks shields. Pepper spray fireworks climbing gear. Explosives metal pipes baseball bats. I have never seen anything like get in thirty years of events in washington. He said absolutely and clear intent in that they announced it like they literally announced it like they tweeted out. like hi. i'm going to dc for the erection. Sorry i'm going to dc for insurrection on the goddess fascism. Isn't it though like masculine strength. You had one of these trump latkes going on fox saying donald trump is the most masculine president ever when when he just got masculine from having his twitter account taken away from him. Oh yeah there is a lot of men trying to make themselves into cliches of manly men. Rambo trying to pretend it's seventeen seventy six and you know these are on the whole people who burst into tears when they're in the airport and they find out there now on the no fly list because they've been labeled a terrorist. These are not tough guys. These are not strong. these are not attractive men. These are pathetic. People who have a lot of money to buy weapons and private private planes plane tickets expensive hotels. This is not the salt of the earth. This is not the downtrodden voters. These are spoiled. Rich men who are forming acts of violent terrorists against the american public and their led by. You know who to frame themselves Also as just like. Oh i'm a regular guy. Or i'm a big new york tough guy when all. They are are multi millionaires or billionaires who are preventing sedition. or they're mobbed up. I mean giuliani is case in point. Manafort flynn trump. I mean all of them like this is not. There's nothing about this. That can be compared to any of the demonstrations in american history for democracy or freedom. You know it's just pathetic. The comparisons to black lives matter made by people like maggie haberman. Who as i've mentioned whose family has spent literally their lives being the pr agents for trump and kushner. She made that comparison. Like there's nothing there they were not using these tactics. They were there to protest against violence against police brutality. They're there to protest for democracy for freedom for human rights not against it. These protesters showed up because they wanted less democracy. Like what the fuck is that. We have had that to some extent you know. That's the underlying message of a lot of the tea party protests it's certainly was the underlying message of any kind of ku klux klan or white supremacists demonstration. We've seen over the last century and a half as well as the white mob violence beforehand. They want to take away other people's freedom they want to take away the freedom from people who aren't white men. That's the bottom line for a lot of this but god. It is so pathetic. But yes as you said. This was all out there and still is an. It bothers me greatly that our show as well as belling cat as well as a number of investigative reporters who focus on terrorist groups on groups like the proud boys. We all were like. Yeah this is coming. Like even i thought well at least they know like lynn woods. Been on twitter you know. Does yam rowing away nonstop the plots. Obviously people are aware obviously. Congress will lock their doors. Obviously they'll turn off their computers or take their computers out. Or i mean all this like i don't want to exactly blame the victim here because we nearly lost representatives and they take that very seriously and i realize it's a great degree of trauma but i don't understand why they weren't prepared either. Some certainly seemed to be prepared representative. John paul agree interview with new york magazine about how they were briefed in about the pains. They had to go to to try to protect themselves. And how you know. She was recovering from knee surgery and was trapped in the chamber like they let the leadership go to one location and left a bunch of people behind and she was left behind. She was worried she was going to die. And now she has corona virus because she was trapped with republicans who refused to wear masks and so she has now been infected element of biological warfare here as well. They are purposefully. Not wearing masks. Because they want to infect people they are completely ambivalent and sometimes enthusiast about whether democratic colleagues will die like all of those people need to be removed from office. I mean they are a threat to not just democracy in general but a literal threat to the people that they work with. If this was any other workplace my god is this was a corporation and it was under siege. Like the ceo said. Yeah eight thousand people with assorted weaponry come on in and rate us and threatened to murder all our workers and leave five bodies behind you like my god. It would be so clear cut that obviously anyone who encouraged it would be fired in jail. There's no ambiguity here but yeah anyway a go on again when we talk about cat ability and consequences were talking about systemic changes. Because the shouldn't have happened as the police chief. The capitol police who is shaken to the core for his failure to his officers and american people were not ready. Our security forces are not ready for what we're up against for instance where it was the. Fbi let's look into that now from nbc news. The fbi officials said that by dissuading some extremists. The fbi backup for second fbi agents visited the homes of some of these white supremacist terrorist to talk them into not going. Which is kinda quaint. The fbi officials said that by dissuading. Some extremists from traveling to washington bureau may have prevented an even more violent situation. new york. Police who have the most robust intelligence collection and analytical arm of any local police agency in the country sent law enforcement agencies across the country including capital police and intelligence packet describing threats and violent rhetoric on social media in the weeks and days leading up to the rally. Multiple senior law enforcement officials said the officials said capitol police were given a specific and separate intelligence report describing extremist rhetoric and threats of violence that appeared on social media in connection with the rally law enforcement officials familiar with intelligence assessment said president. Donald trump's exhortation of the crowd to march on the capital probably prompted a much larger contingent on people to head there. The might otherwise have gone So yes they knew. They knew they saw it coming. They had the intelligence from an interview and g. q. With aria calera political consultant who has been closely researching and monitoring these Far-right extremists in their their social media. Online organizing he told g q. Quote by last week these people were sharing maps of dc. They were talking about having enough of them that they would be able to erect basically their own qadri around the entire of congress. They had a map of the tunnels in the basement of the capital. And they were talking about how they're going to be able to stop congress from leaving. They imagined that this was the day. There were going to be mass executions of congress men so in this interview he goes on to explain how supercharged trump supporters word be called the capital by trump. Or they expected some big revelation for justice in the world. Something to be done finally install trump as their lord and savior wiles. Direct them there so he described how while many of these protesters arrived with. Clear purpose you know. Essentially hunt down there. Cuoco enemy many of them were just sort of wandering around because they're like waiting for instruction that just goes to show that. This was an organized action. The american independent points out that representative james clyburn who holds a lot of sway. He was the one who gets credited with saving. Joe biden's campaign with the south carolina primary turning that sinking ship around james clapper. Who's of course black. He shared this shocking revelation. That we're going to play now that the white terrorists went directly to clyburn unmarked office. The one that he and his staff mostly us looking for them. Here's kleiber now. We've got to indict convict these people because a one of those capital police died and somebody should be tried for that death and that's all people who are on those grounds the other day or complicit in that got they post pictures ransacked in nancy pelosi's office they and something else was going on here. Joe my office if you don't know where it is right you ain't gonna find it by accident right and the one place where my name is on a door. That office is rattled statuary hall. They didn't touch that door but they went into the other place. Where i do most of my work. They showed up there harrison. My staff how did they know to go there. You're on the didn't go where my name laws be with what you won't find my name. But they found. We're all supposed to be so something else is going on untoward. We need to have an expensive investigation. The fine up and now we're going to read from an extraordinary investigation by buzzfeed by emmanuel felton Black police officers described the race attacks. They face as they protected the capital and guinness in buzzfeed. And you'll find in our show notes. The first glimpse of the deadly tragedy as about to unfold came at nine. Am on the morning of the insurrection for one black veteran of the us capitol police. But it didn't come from his superiors instead. The officer had to rely on a screenshot from instagram. Sent to him by a friend quote. I found out what they were planning when a friend of mine. Screenshot me an instagram story. From the proud boys saying where breaching the capital today guys. I hope y'all ready. The officer who asked to remain anonymous out of fear retaliation from his superiors told buzzfeed news that it was just a sign of the chaos. That was to come which saw officers regularly finding themselves unprepared and then outmanned powered by the mob. The officer said that while the department's upper management had been telling them to prepare for wednesday storming of the capital like they would for any other protests that grant post sent a clear message. This wasn't going to be just some kind of free speech protest. This was going to be a fight. Management's inaction left black police officers especially vulnerable to a mob that had been whipped up by the president donald trump. a man who has a record of inspiring racist vigilant to action. One of the most defining videos of that day was one of their colleagues another block officer trying in vain to hold back the tide of writers who had broken into the building. And we're hunting for congressional members but we now know is that he very smartly lead that mob away from the open door of the senate chamber and directed them towards where there was back up and he is a hero and he should be awarded by congress in the white house for his quick thinking and bravery now back to this article. Buzzfeed news spoke to two black officers. Who described the harrowing day in which they were forced to endure racist abuse including repeatedly being called the n. Word as they tried to do their job of protecting the capitol building and by extension the very functioning of american democracy. The officers said they were wrong. Footed fighting off an invading force at their managers had downplayed and not prepared them for. They had all been issued gas masks for example but mansion didn't tell them to bring them on in on that day capitol. Police did not respond to buzzfeed news. Requests for comment about the allegations made by the officers while some of the images from that day appear to show officers standing by at the mob to the capitol building. The veteran officer said they had fought them off two hours before. The attackers eventually gained access. The officer said that many of the widely spread images of smiling marauders wandering the halls dressed. Absurd costumes had the effect of downplaying how well prepared. Some of the rioters were to overtake the building and even to capture and kill congress. Members is a quote that was heavily trained group of militia. Terrace that attacked us said the officer who has been with the department for more than a decade quote. They had radios. We found them. They had to weigh communicators earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash banks. They were prepared. They strategically put two pipebombs in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military. The officer said referring to suspected pipebombs or found outside the headquarters of the dnc and rnc. The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country. The mob. he said. Some of them flashed their badges telling him to let them through and trying to explain it. This is all part of a movement that was supposed to help quote. You have the nerve to be holding a blue lives matter flag and you're out there fucking us up. He told one group of protesters he encountered inside the capitol quote. One guy pulled out his badge and said we're doing this for you. Another guy had his badge. So i was like well. You gotta be kidding. New recruit echoed. these sentiments. Saying that where he was on the steps the rotunda on the east side of the capitol. He was engaged in hand to hand battles trying to fight the attackers off but he said they were. Outnumbered ten to one and described extraordinary scenes in which protesters holding blue lives matter. Flags launched themselves at police officers quote. We were telling them to back up and get away and stop and they're telling us they're on our side and they're doing this for us they're saying this as i'm getting punched in my face by one of them. That happened to a lot of us. We're getting pepper sprayed in the face by those protesters. I'm not going to even call them. Protesters by those domestic terrorists said the officer while it was a hard day almost every officer of the capital. Black officers were in a particularly difficult position. He said and he drew a stark contrast with how police handled the black lives matter. Protests this summer quote. There's quite a big difference from the black lives. Matter protests come up to the capital. He said on wednesday. Some officers were caring the rioters. He said that what upset him. The most was when he later saw images of a white colleague taking a selfie with the attackers seeming to enjoy his time with insurrectionists were roaming the us capitol confederate flags and other symbols of white supremacy quote. That one hurt me the most. Because i was on the other side of the capitol getting my ass kicked. He said he is certain that if a group of black americans stormed the capital wouldn't have gotten that kind of friendly reception from his white colleagues quote. If you're going to treat a group of demonstrators for black lives matters one way then you should treat this group the same goddamn way with this group. You're being kind of nice letting them walk back out. Some of them got arrested but a lot of them didn't everyone who came into that capital should have been arrested regardless if they didn't take anything. The number of arrests steadily increased in recent days but it currently seems unlikely that everyone who breached the building on wednesday will be arrested for their actions. The older black officer didn't think it was a simple case of treating the writers differently from black lives matter protesters but instead part of a bigger issue with how the agency is managed quote. Our chief was nowhere to be found. I didn't hear from him on the radio. One of our other deputy chiefs is not there. He said you don't think it's all hands on deck I mean i just wanna comment on like why are we reading so much giving all of these You know so much. I knew so much. Details is because people are going to forget. They are going to forget that this was intentional. They're going to forget how it was executed. And one of the reasons they're going to forget is because despite this incredible array of evidence despite the urgency of the moment in the need to remove the and his backers from power immediately people are not acting in response with that urgency. We still haven't had an impeachment. It's been nearly a week and we haven't had that we still haven't had full arrests and you know one of the reasons i bring. This up is because as of yesterday one fifth of gop voters agree with the storming of the capitol. And that's not a large number of people. Forget that the number of people in each political party has dwindled. The last decade most voters including myself are independent. Belong to either party. So this is maybe like if it's one fifth of gop voters. I don't know maybe like an eighth of americans. That's that's still alive. I mean that's still millions of people. And that's very horrifying. But what i worry about. Is that right now. It's one fifth which is bad enough. This number is going to rise unless there are swift and clear consequences and the more hesitant officials are to enforce accountability for these attacks. The more support of it are going to grow and so perpetrators need to be punished. Including the elected officials who encouraged the attacks and normalization is one of the most dangerous threats. We face into just give one quick example of how this worked. Let's go back to november tenth. This is shortly after. Joe biden was declared the winner of the presidential race on television including by fox news and by other conservative networks on november tenth eighty percent of americans believed that joe biden one and only three percent three percent believed that trump won. And then what happened after that. We had weeks and weeks of trump refusing to concede trump taking it to court over sixty times trump. Putting out a vast propaganda operation lying incessantly threatening people not backing down and getting very little response. What do people do during those weeks of the attempted coup. They deny that there is an attempted coup they parched the definition of coup the little strapped cements instead of treating it as a serious threat and so because that happened and especially i think because democrats and other institutional officials did not respond in kind voters began to wonder. Well maybe trump is right. 'cause like if if he's doing all these court battles and people aren't really pushing back that much and joe biden not even really talking about it like maybe it really was illegitimate. Maybe there's something to it and so the number started to grow. And this is the story of the last four years but forty years is that people commit crimes in plain sight and officials. Refused to hold them accountable. And so when andrea. And i come on and tell you things that are just well documented and true like that trump is a career criminal who has been working with the transnational crime syndicate for four decades. Been tied to the kremlin for about four decades. You know and all the other things we tell you that sound like a. Tom clancy novel but are in fact. Our reality people say no. That can't be right because if that were true somebody would have done something about it. You know the obama administration would have spoken out and never let him run. The cia would have exposed this threat to america or contained it the fbi in coney shirley would have let us know beforehand. The media have reported on it. If trump had been say it's used in court of raping a thirteen year old girl procured by jeffrey epstein. Which he was. Surely the media would let us know about that. I mean they think hillary clinton's emails are a threat a sheild. Maybe something that we should think about. But no they covered up for him instead of covering for him. They covered up for him and that normalcy bias. This kind of belief that if things are going off the rails some officials gonna come in and let you know and react. Accordingly that created the conditions of trump's rise his win and his ability to take his version of reality and forcefully implemented upon the american public and so one thing that needs to happen now is narrative control. And so everything that andrea has been reading to everything that we are discussing. We archive it on our site. We archive in transcripts. We hope those articles and this information remains online and we hope that you never ever forget it and that you never remove it from the broader context of an ongoing threat to the fundamental existence of the united states that has been accelerated for four years. But that is existed long before that and has never fully been addressed. You can never forget this. You can never normalize this. You can never find unity with the people who did these actions and you can never move on exactly and you read our transcripts over the last couple of years. It's shocking the play by play of trump and his family's assault on our democracy. So again is sarah said all this stuff we're discussing is going at the time capsule also we never forget because that's documenting it. All is an essential part of accountability and fighting for the consequences and that we desperately need and again. It's the stomach changes that is large theme of the security failure from the people who should have protect us. Didn't and i want to end this buzzfeed article with the most powerful part here. Okay because we all need to hear this these block officers especially what they survived is a miracle. And it's america more people weren't killed including elected officials going to continue reading now at the end of the night after the crowds had been dispersed in congress. Got back to the business of certifying present elect joe biden's victory. The veteran officer was overwhelmed with emotion and broke down in the rotunda quote. I sat down with one of my buddies. Another black guy and tears just started streaming down. My face said. I said what the fuck man is this america. What the fuck just happened. I'm so sick and tired of this shit soon. He was screaming so that everyone in the rotunda including his white colleagues could hear what he had. Just gone through quote. These are racist as terrorists yelled out in the seven years since black lives matter has become a rallying cry. The image of a white cop deciding how and when to enforce law and order has become ubiquitous on wednesday american. Saw something different as black officers tried to do the same as they attempted to protect the very heart of american democracy and instead of being honored by the supporters of a man who likes to call himself the law and order president. Black capital officers found themselves under attack quote. I got called the n. word fifteen times today. The veteran officer shouted in the rotunda to no one in particular quote. Trump did this and we got all of these fucking people in our department. That voted for him. How the fuck can you support him. And sarah reference earlier. Now we're going to play a clip from afc and the several republican members of congress who opposed a raising objections to the certifying electoral college vote of written a letter to president-elect by opposing impeachment. Here's what the letter says in the spirit of healing and fidelity constitution. We ask you falling request that speaker. Nancy pelosi discontinue our efforts to impeach president. Donald j trump a second time a second impeachment only days before president trump believe office is unnecessary as it is inflammatory. They're saying for the sake of unity forgo impeachment. A couple of things one is. We have to understand that. What happened on wednesday with insurrection against the united states that is what that is what donald j trump engaged in and that is with those who stormed the capital engaged in and so when we talk about healing the process of healing is separate and in fact requires accountability and so if we allow insurrection against the united states with impunity with no accountability. We are inviting it to happen again. That is how serious it is. I do not believe that that. Perhaps my colleagues weren't in that room. Perhaps my colleagues were not fully present for the events on wednesday but half of we can close to half of the house nearly dying on wednesday and if a foreign head of state if another head of state came in and ordered an attack on the united states congress. Would we say that. That should not be prosecuted. Should we would. We say that there should be absolutely no response to that. No it is an active insurrection. It's an act of hostility and we must have accountability because without it will happen again now. No more reading. That's all the reading out of the way and the next step in our discussion is accountability at a minimum. Donald trump must be banned from ever running for office again. He must be kept off social media and we must be vigilant of the next. Donald trump stalin and putin both waited in the wings. Strong men don't always announce themselves. There must be clear and visible consequences. Josh hawley ted. Cruz and lindsey. Graham must be removed from the senate graham join trump's pressure campaign against officials in georgia and trying to overthrow the presidential election results. There this pressure campaign targets on the heads of regular men and women working to help ensure the integrity of our election. These senators must learn. They are not above the law and their actions have consequences. The companies that donate to seditious members of congress should be named shamed and boycotted resist the rupert. Murdoch spin machine of far-right media calling for unity. When these are the same logical airs the traders who ripped our country apart in a civil war no appeasement no unity with impunity. Protect our democracy at all costs because the trump family is here to stay so is their movement and the republican party has succumbed to culture of fascism. Mitch mcconnell mike pence and lindsey graham are holding onto their power. Do not celebrate them for doing the right thing. By holding the transition of power to the biden administration. they're not being noble. By following the rule of law they would get steamrolled in a dictatorship by younger aggressive. Upshots like josh hawley. And ted cruz. The rule of law as it currently stands in america unjustly favors former slavery states like kentucky in south carolina with electoral college in the senate. The senate itself gives an unfair advantage to republicans as ari berman wrote on twitter back in february. Two thousand twenty during trump's first impeachment trial quote mind-blowing stat. Forty eight senators who voted a convict trump represent eighteen million more americans than fifty two republicans. Who voted to acquit. So why would mcconnell graham and pence give up that stability to serve a dictator like donald trump and his successor dictator. Ivanka trump there are no rules. In dictatorship only colt worship and terror now the accomplices. Big tech cannot be trusted to reform itself. What mark zuckerberg and sheryl sandberg or they're doing countries around the world. Facebook spread hate. That helped fuel the Wing genocide facebook must be broken up and laws must be swiftly. Put in place to end the algorithms pumping disinformation and empowering people to kill the police and military in the us are in desperate need of d. Nazi vacation we need greater diversity and leadership across the military and police forces including increase leadership of women of color. A woman of color should be made director of the fbi. I'm sorry but christopher ray like james komi before him has failed the american people. This was a crime planned out in the open on social media. They kept telling us they're going to do the. Fbi itself has a long history of carrying out genocidal against black and brown communities. Twenty one year old community organizer. Fred hampton was killed sleeping in his bed next to his pregnant girlfriend by the fbi congresswoman. Barbara lee the lone vote. In the congress for refusing to give george w bush the unchecked right to use military force in response to nine eleven which led us into the forever. Wars was a young organizer and oakland. Who had an f. b. i. File on her as many other. Black community organizers whose lives and work was under direct threat by the fbi is about time that the work an investment was put in place to ensure greater diversity at the fbi especially in leadership. Dear god you know what i mean. It's like enough already. Fbi the fbi has a lot to account for their complicit in this long history of racism has caused great trauma and they're finally needs to be a reckoning. We need a serious reckoning about the fbi because in addition to their long history of antagonizing threatening and killing civil rights activists mean among other things sent a letter to martin luther king trying to get him to commit suicide in recent years there have been direct links between the fbi particularly the new york branches of the fbi and the russian mafia. We have had two fbi heads. Lewis free and william sessions both of whom were present during the one thousand nine hundred ninety s go on to work for semion mogul average as quote unquote consultants mcglade. Rich is the head of the russian mafia. He's one of the most dangerous people in the world. He worked in arms trafficking sex trafficking child trafficking incredible amounts of money laundry. He's a financial genius in his own. Horrific way he was on the fbi's top ten most wanted list for a long time until james comey took him off You know we talked about this on this show a million times but a brief recap molar gave a speech in twenty eleven about mortgage but also about what he called the the evolving organized crime threat. Which was the merging of state corruption corporate corruption and organized crime and was saying organized. Crime had become incredibly sophisticated at ed moved into corporations into wall street into western governments and it was a profound threat to democracy and he named mcglade which directly the same ugly that his predecessors were working for is this when muller headed the fbi muller of course absolutely none of this up during the probe even though all of trump's co workers people like manafort. You know who was indicted but for nothing having to do with the Twenty sixteen election heist. He left out all of that context. The house left out this contacts when they did impeachment. None of this has been brought to the fore. So there are a number of conflicts of interests happening with the fbi that has rendered factions of them unable or unwilling to fully protect our country. Another example of course is jeffrey epstein where you have the fbi ceiling that shut guests who is involved in that. Yes once again. We have robert muller robert. Muller was also an obstacle to fully investigating nine eleven According to bob graham who was on the nine eleven commission that came out afterwards investigating it. I mean there are a lot of events in. Us history that needs to be re evaluated especially in light of what we know about this collaboration between the various institutions that are supposed to protect us and what people saw as cold war enemy state i the soviet union and then the very violent russia of the nineteen ninety s followed by the authoritarian russia of who in which our government and plutocrats You know worked with for their own financial gain but which encroached upon democracy. Not just in the united states but worldwide. That's why london is now nicknamed london grad. Like these are terrible people. it doesn't have to. The people are being russian or anything like that you know. Most of these oligarchs are not ethnically russian. They're from all over the former. Ussr they grew up as soviet citizens than went on to become disaster. Capitalists us strip down artists conman people to literally want to take the world apart and that's the fbi is in bed with and so even when you look at something like the siege on the capital which is a domestic problem. You know of course. It's rooted in american corruption in american white supremacy in american mob violence and gun culture. And all of these things. It has the backing of people abroad and in some cases. We're seeing you know some direct ties to people abroad. There are a few individuals arrested. You know who are linked to giuliani is cohort of pro-kremlin ukrainian mobsters for example. It's very complex. And then one final no. Is that right before this siege. We had a little alert from komi saying. Nah you can't indict donald trump. Oh yeah investigate. Donald trump does not going to do that. We're just going to pretend this whole thing didn't happen koby doesn't want. Donald trump investigated because he does not want james komi investigated he does not want anybody digging into his shady past his enabling of a crime. Call him taking blazevic off the most wanted list his refusal. To listen to senator harry reid who literally said to comi. You've got to tell the american public. What's going on before they vote in november twenty sixteen. 'cause russia's hijacking our elections and harry reid said this openly. He sent an open letter because he wanted us all to read it and komiya respond. Instead komi went. After hillary's emails me is one hundred percent complicit. And i am so sick of you. Losers who fill up twitter with combs going to save us smaller is going to save us. Pelosi's gonna save us. Cy vance is gonna save us blah blah blah. Look where we are now. We had to see on the motherfucking capital. If any of these people gave a shit about this country they would have been transparent thorough patriotic committed relentless in battling this domestic terror threat in the foreign backers that enable it instead. They did nothing and their greatest propaganda trick was to tell you over and over that it would all be fine. There is three eighty chests that there is a secret plan. And that people like andrea. And i were everything from kremlin agents tube frodo terrorists to doomsday sayers to. I mean my god. So much of it was visayan est so much of it was like yeah you know sara kenzi or you may have spent your entire life studying authoritarian movements in the most brutal countries in the world but smile more when you talk about them a little more cheerful you know what are your easy. Cheap solutions like there are any. You need institutional accountability. And that's very difficult when you're institutions are gutted and corrupted so we all need to have a little chat about that that's the of thing the joe biden administration should be doing. That's the kind of thing Attorney general merrick garland should be looking at and we're going to demand that he look at. You cannot let these people the hook if biden manages to get in in remain safe. You can't just let this go and exalt in the moment because none of these people are going away. During the obama era all of this was building and people refused to look at it head on and look where we are now. But anyway i know you've got to say yes. It's a very wide web that we are untangling and sunlight is the show. So let's focus on the coke funded chaos. There's a brilliant must watch interview of historian. Nancy mclean author of in chains. Which we have on gasoline nation reading guy that you can find on gasoline nation. Pod dot com. The interview was sent to us by a supporter on patriots. Pinky for that and is by. Msnbc host joy reed will link to the top of our show notes. This episode which again you can find for free on the patriots page for this episode. Mclean makes the point over and over again that today's republican party is not a conservative party. It is a radical libertarian. Party that refuses to compromise and protects coal and oil. At all costs the libertarian. Takeover of the republican party was funded by the coke brothers and orchestrated by far right groups that actively worked undermine and take away the right to vote as a deliberate strategy to consolidate power simply put it was a decades long well-funded operation and donald trump is only the symptom of the larger disease after all the death and destruction at the capitol where elected officials and their staff were hunted where journalists were harassed by both protesters and police were many of the police. Look the other way where police were beaten. And one was killed. The coke funded. Republican party had the audacity to continue pushing the big lie that the election was stolen and that there are boating. Issues must be investigated. Let's be clear. The only voting issues. The coke funded. Republican party wants to pursue those that make it harder to vote leaders in congress must stand united in the ongoing assault of our democracy and refused to play into the farce that a commission must be set up to investigate the vote in twenty twenty it. Republicans at their nazi stormtroopers want a audit. They can start with a twenty sixteen election which was widely targeted and hacked by the kremlin's military operation of hackers which included well-known kremlin operative. Paul manafort sharing polling data in the key states trump needed to win which he did win surprising pollsters by turning last minute to trump as manafort broke his silence and predicted this days before the two thousand sixteen election surprising people metaphor share this polling data on these key states with a russian intelligence agent trump's longtime neighbor and friend the infamous head of the tortures lobby. Paul manafort who served putin's interesting ukraine for a decade shared use polling data in the key states trump. Needed a win states that were then included the more investigation which leads the indictment and arrest of manafort associated rick gates so that the republicans won't vote audit. We are all for it. And let's focus on twenty sixteen on the day of the terrorist attack. The coke funded. Republican party spread their lies well into the night of fight almost broke out between democrats republicans in the house as representatives of both sides rush towards each other during a speech by representative connor. Lamb democrat of pennsylvania will play his powerful remarks in full. And you can hear a bit of a commotion breaking out near the end of his incredible speech. We'll play that now. Says the gentlemen from pennsylvania seek recognition. Madam speaker i rise in opposition objections. Gentleman is recognized for five minutes madam speaker. I came here tonight. Prepared to talk about the place. I represent and how well the democratic and republican county officials ran our election. I wanted to point out that in my home county of allegheny county in the place. They were counting the votes. There were thirty one video cameras thirty one in the same place just showing people counting votes every single one of them on paper with representatives from both campaigns watching i wanted to point out to all these great lovers and supporters of the pennsylvania legislature that it was the republican pennsylvania legislature that passed a republican bill that they all voted for and supported that set up the system under which we just ran the election and that the reason the president lost was because he was not as popular as other republicans in our state. He got fewer votes than all of them. I wanted to lay out all this evidence madam speaker because i thought it was a sign of respect for my colleagues for all the americans out there who don't know who to trust. I was raised on that. I was raised on that respect. Which makes this speech for me to give because to do this with any kind of honesty means admitting and declaring in this house that these objections don't deserve an ounce of respect not an announce. A woman died out there tonight. And you're making these objections. Let's be clear about what happened in this chamber today. Invaders came in for the first time since the war of eighteen twelve. They desecrated these halls in this chamber in practically every inch of ground where we work and for the most part. They walked in here free. A lot of them walked out free and there wasn't a person watching at home. Who didn't know why that was because of the way that they look half my point. Madam speaker is this enough has been done here today. Already to try to strip this congress of its dignity and these objectors don't need to do anymore. We know that that attack today. it didn't materialize out of nowhere. It was inspired by lies. The same lies that you're hearing in this room tonight and the members who were repeating those lies should be ashamed of themselves. Their constituents should be ashamed of them and we know what's going to happen soon as i walk away. What's happened all night tonight. We'll we'll continue to happen. They will take these same symbols these same concepts. They'll smuggle them into their arguments. They'll make the same arguments. And i want people at home. Anyone who is still watching to know these arguments are not for them there for you. Not of the evidence we wanted to discuss tonight will change their opinions or what they're about to say but you need to ndo. That's not the end. It's not as if there's nothing we can do because of that and if there was i don't think this nation would have made it to almost two hundred and fifty years. The fact is madam speaker. The fact is that at the end of the day. Gentleman from virginia will stay this point of order. Isn't that said that relies on the floor here today looking over this direction. I asked those words be taken down. Maybe this disagreement on on matters. The not timely gentleman's nancy tom'll you didn't register and an appropriate talent will precede. Thank you madam speaker madam speaker. The fact is that at the end of the day day so hurts older. The gentlemen will proceed. It hurts it hurts them. It hurts this country. It hurts all of us but the fact is that the people have made this country work by not giving in go ahead. Shadow is in is not in order. The gentlemen will proceed. Will one last thing to say madam speaker and i thank you for your patients. All people need to know all they need to know tonight madam speaker the order in the house. We ordered the order in the house. The gentleman will clear this chamber. Gentlemen will clear the chamber precede. Thank you madam speaker. The truth hurts but the fact is this. We want this government to work more than they wanted to fail. And after everything that's happened today. We want that more than ever know that know that the people watching at home we want this government to work. We will make it work. They will not make it fail. Thank you madam speaker back in the senate on the same night. The big lie was being pushed by senators representing former slavery states including ted cruz of texas. Who catalan kosei. A member of european parliament compared to hungarian dictator. Viktor orban here is what she said about ted cruz. Just so you understand the fascism. That were that goes beyond trump. She writes on twitter. More than trump. Ted cruz reminds me. Victor urban style authoritarianism the truth twisting the cynicism and arrogance not openly out to dismantle democratic institutions. But hollowing them out the point that they're dead yet. That is what the folks are paying money for. Yeah i just have one thing to add since we're talking about. Corrupt mega donors to the republican party. Is that this morning. We woke up to the news. That sheldon adelson The biggest donor to the gop in its history and major major trump in kushner supporter is dead. His activity will largely. I assume be continued to be carried out through his wife who was the one who radicalized him but the adelson situation is another reminder that we still need to keep our eye on the middle east and on iran and on the moves of trump's backers and administrative staff in particular. Mike pompeo kushner mnuchin Who were all just in israel and in the middle east. We actually talked about sheldon adelson last week because he had lent one of his private planes to fly convicted american spy for israel jonathan pollard. Back trump had taken him off parole and allowed him to leave the country so he flew backed israel. He was enthusiastically greeted by. Netanyahu that is what sheldon adelson supported. He did not support the united states. This is not my opinion. These are just things that he said. he said. He wished that he had served in the israeli army. Instead of the us army he described himself as citizen of israel. He said all we care about is being good zionist being good citizens of israel. Because even though i am not israeli born israel's in my heart and so then today mike pompeo tweets sheldon adelson. Life represents the best of the american dream and then he goes on to say from his service to his country in the us army to his entrepreneurial spirit. I mean that little comment about the army adelson was very clear that he regretted serving for the united states that he regretted protecting the united states and that that was not the country that you was formed loyalty he was open about. This was a one issue donor and his issue is israel last night before adelson's death was announced. Mike pompeo was spotted meeting with massad agents in a restaurant in washington. Dc and. i feel like massad probably wanted us to know this because they usually don't broadcast things like this in pompeo Wanted us to know this. So that's like an interesting little Ray of events and then one more thing about adelson and his legacy is one of his great dreams in life was to nuke iran. He was very specific about this today. We had john bolton saying sheldon. Adelson was a great american and a true friend. He never forgot the importance of peace through strength for america. John bolton has also said that he wants to nuke iran so we are in a situation where a very volatile trump a trump who wants to declare a national emergency who wants to prolong his. Stay in office Who would do that either. Through domestic means Through the infiltration of our military and police in through You know violent attacks like the one we witnessed last week. He may do that way or he made you the unspeakable an unprecedented action of nuking iran or starting a war with iran using weaponry on iran. And i don't think that the goal here is just to ruin. Joe biden's administration to go so far beyond that because the people surrounding him have wanted this for a very long time foremost among this besides bolton and pompeo and pence are netanyahu and the very hard right wing movements out of israel. Who have clamoring for this who you know in a very similar way like when we described what putin wants for the united states and for europe for to be broken up into smaller parts for its resources and land to be removed that is what netanyahu and his supporters want for the middle east. The obviously want the genocide of palestinians. There's incredible constant ongoing abuse the palestinians. They want that land and they want to expand. And i'm very grateful to all the israelis who have been protesting netanyahu now for over half a year because netanyahu has been indicted multiple times. He's a criminal. Prime minister just like we have a criminal administration. They're also suffering with a criminal administration and so all of this is interconnected. And i'm just saying this is one more thing to watch out for is obviously good that trump and the gop lost source of funding though. Unfortunately my guess is that it will continue through. Maryam adelson his wife. Who is even a bigger hardliner on israel than sheldon adelson but he also lost deutsche bank. Deutsche bank may be subject now to more rigorous investigation. We may finally see that money trail and see where it leads. I think we're in for a lot of Confirmation of our suspicions as well as just a terrible revelations before there are a lot of ways to blackmail government and not all of it has to do with personal compromise digging into someone's private life exposing their secrets you could expose what government institutions have done. Acts they may have participated in a along. Maybe with other countries hurt american citizens. You know unspeakable things. I fear that we may hear such things in the years to gone. But i think there's no solution but the full truth and transparency. And especially if you want to neuter a movement like in on a movement based on conspiracy theories in lies. This is the way to do it. Because they're agreeing of truth in the midst of the cunanan morass. Like i was reading out. One of the individuals at the capitol demonstrations and how she started out as an obama supporter. And then she turned into a trump supporter only in twenty eighteen. Because of cunanan she was reading about the government being engaged in child rape trafficking and blackmail schemes of global elites. And then along with this lots of other accusations or beliefs that you know. Jfk junior was rising from the dead. The government is full of cannibals. Pizza gate was real the things that are not obviously based on evidence but that gleam is that claim is true that's what epstein in maxwell were doing and so it is important for the government to come clean about all of that because what happened is then epstein was arrested and then he you know quote unquote died under very mysterious circumstances in prison and validated in the minds of many on all the other lies. All of the other conspiracies they thought. Wow if they lie to us this whole time about epstein. If they covered up for him they helped him the emboldened in the engaged him the press went. Tell us the truth. Then all this other stuff must be true to you. Know they must really be Slaughtering babies to get their adrenalin cro-magnon. All of these myths allies. That's what happens when you lie to the public is that credulity is the result not just paranoia but credulity and so there really needs to be the most rigorous honesty possible regardless of who it brings down regardless of what party. They're in regardless of how lofty respectable in prestigious. They are like who cares. You just need to tell the truth so ended. They're the most dangerous people are the ones calling for unity without justice accountability and consequences. Anybody who is saying move on should not be listened to. They're going to put us into more danger. So now we need to underline the fact that this was a foreign aid terrorist attack and let's focus now on some of the biggest traders in our nation's history roger stone paul manafort. Michael flynn michael. Flynn swore allegiance to cunanan. Michael flynn and his son. Got wined and dined by the kremlin sitting next to putin himself at a big anniversary dinner for russian propaganda network. Rt russia today. Paul manafort longtime operative doing what he did. In ukraine with kremlin linked money turn ukrainians against each other with disinformation Using that hate the dark arts to drive a real world protests in the streets against us interests in crimea. Yeah he did. Anti-nato protests in crimea. Years before the station paul manafort his whole playbook that he carried out on ukrainians has been carried out on us under trump. Paul manafort of course manage trump's campaign. He was a longtime friend a neighbor and was chosen by ivanka. And jared and then of course you have roger stone who loves this stuff relishes in this chaos and stone himself threaten the life of a judge sentencing him. Or how did these guys Involved in this. That should be investigated. We've already seen how they love their blood money and betraying america's sovereignty. This brings me to my sister. Alexsandr chalupa who wrote on twitter years of warning vladimir putin's guy paul manafort's operational now. We're living the playbook used in ukraine invade government buildings season annex land wages separatist war of domestic brainwashed militia. He's still the same. He's paying off his debt. And when i bring her up. Because steve mnuchin the. Us treasury secretary did something very interesting Us treasury sanctioned a bunch of kremlin linked ukrainians including a guy who relentlessly went after my sister. Now keep in mind. It was reported that policy for led a campaign. A media dark ops effort to tarnish people like my sister to tarnish. You've been insane. It was ukraine not russia that attacker democracy in the two thousand sixteen election. He was of course outed for this A lot of journalists like ken vogel fell for it or carried metaphors water along the way and one of the sources that was carrying out this. Paul manafort campaign was this guy and three telecinco who the. Us treasury has now outed as being a kremlin agent. This is pretty remarkable because the sanctions have serious bite and you have to wonder. Is steve mnuchin. Who came from hollywood. Is he trying to make his way. Back there with a tiny shred of dignity which we're not going to allow him to take with him because he's a traded our country and he weakened our nation by serving this aspiring dictator and. He's got blood on his hands so from the treasury today the us department of the treasury office of foreign assets control opec took additional action against seven individuals and or entities that are part of a russia linked foreign influence network associated with three koch. A russian agent to koch was designated on september tenth. Twenty twenty four his attempt to influence the twenty twenty. Us presidential election quote russian. Disinformation campaigns targeting. American citizens are a threat to our democracy. So secretary steven mnuchin who serves a russian asset quote. The united states will continue to aggressively. Defend the integrity of our elections systems and processes since at least twenty nineteen koch and his associates have leveraged us media us based social media platforms and influenced us persons to spread misleading. An unsubstantiated allegations that current and former. Us officials engaged in corruption money laundering unlawful. Political influence in ukraine former ukrainian government officials kostyantyn. Click on zenko. That's the guy that was relentless. And current ukraine member-parliament alexander dubinsky have publicly appeared or affiliated themselves koch through the coordinated dissemination and promotion of fraudulent an unsubstantiated allegations involving a us political candidate. They have made repeated. Public statements to advance. Disinformation narratives that. Us government officials have engaged in corrupt dealings ukraine. These efforts are consistent with and in support of conscious efforts acting as agent of the russian intelligence services to influence the twenty twenty presidential election. So one of these guys the guy that kept highlighting until zenko was ken vogel source at politico in that hit piece. That republicans kept bringing up during trump's impeachment hearings. They couldn't get my sister's name out of their mouth. Newness set it a million times. They're trying to flip the script and blame ukraine and not russia. So i think all of this points to the fact that we have to look into stone. Manafort michael flynn yes. We are well aware with America's long history of white rage and not violent coups have overthrown governments. But there's a long tradition of this in america's history we understand. But what makes this so much more dangerous this latest incarnation of white rage is that it is aided by a mass murdering zena phobic terrorist regime the kremlin yup absolutely and on that. No i'm hoping revelations that may come about the complicity of Our institutions and people in them include the media. And i have been both saddened and heartened to see so many journalists of color coming forward and saying that they're white racist editor censored their work about trump censored their work about white mob violence and the threat of it called them hyperbolic. Call them hysterical. I mean i've had this experience. You know as a journalist. When i have white editors i've had white editors want that part of the story Cut out you know. I've had white editors tell me i quoted to any black people in my story about say a story on a fast food workers union saint louis that was comprised nearly entirely of black people and ended up killing my story for the people. I was writing it for in publishing it on my own. Because i refuse to accept the racist vision of the editor who just flinch. It's like these are people who are living segregated lives and they truly do not care what happens to people outside of their social circle you know. Sometimes they're just overtly racist. Sometimes they're just trapped in that bubble and they're obsessed with prestige and they associate prestige with being white and they also know. I think that you know. Journalists have colored black journalists latino journalists native journalist also muslim journalists anybody from some kind of under represented minority in media are going to be way way more likely to expose corruption of people around them. People in their social world's we've seen journalism become a profession for a rarefied elite. We're it pays very little but you need a lot of education. There are suddenly a lot of requirements that didn't exist before in order to participate and there used to be residence requirement before the pandemic you need to live in the most expensive cities in the us and be paid a paltry sum to participate in journalism. So what that did was lockout. Just the vast majority of the country including white people from journalism but it also really lessened the odds of a black investigative journalists for example. Who doesn't have family inherited wealth going back generations to buffer their career being able to be among the people who exposed the crimes of this administration and as we know black americans immediately saw through trump. We have never in the history of gas nation. Had to explain things like laws are only as good as the people who uphold them or the. Us has a systemic racism problem to are black audience. it's only been are some members of our white audience. Usually people don't listen to us that closely who've been like no. I think things will be fine. I think institutions on the whole are good. It's like no we've always had this extremely serious undercurrent. And so the result of that is that the complicity of the media has been understated. They preferred to frame it as ignorance like. Oh gee you know how could we have possibly known. It's like well for one. Everyone in this administration kept announcing their crimes in advance and then committing the crimes and then confessing to the crimes. That really should have been a clue. We have photographic evidence we have tweets. We have all this stuff. They just didn't want to go there. Because it's their social circle the sheer number of journalists. Who have their photo taken. With epstein with felix cedar with ivanka jared with manafort with roger stone. I mean that's a major one you know. They're journalists like maggie haberman. Roger stone is tweeting out birthday. Greetings to her children because he knows their birthdays. If roger stone new my kid's birthday at fucking run for the hills like these are dangerous. Violent hateful racist anti-american criminal operators. Like why are you putting them on television. Why was michael kaputin. It's alright ma. Why was michael caputo. I should call them. Michael caputo and You know putin's image consultant put on. Cnn is some sort of objective commentator about us politics. I mean this is nuts. You know when. I go into all this in hiding in plain sight but yeah ken vogel is up. There can vogel's targeting of alexandria chiluba should be investigated who prompted that. Who were his sources. Why was he doing this. Why were so many outlets targeting innocent private citizens who could barely defend themselves and who became the targets of violent hateful. Moths as a result of media complicity. That's something that should be investigated and it's difficult to see on top of all of this. The growing death count of kobe. In america as genocide given how many native americans are losing their lives and people of color they knew and they did nothing and they just let it kill us and to the republicans spreading the big lie in not just with the election but about cova that are putting the lives of our elected officials at risk. They need to be expelled as well. We should not have to have an assault on our capital older for authoritarian scholars. To finally be believed we shouldn't have to have war like this in order for the tech media giant's to finally do what they should have done years ago and for a handful of republicans to finally talk to their other members and say stop spreading the big lie the rage. We've been feeling since twenty sixteen in november. We need to keep that going and channel it in to protecting our very democracy over the next ten years of we keep this pace if we give stacey abrams all the money and resources that she needs. If we keep putting the money into fair fight action in two future now into every district it will keep elevating leaders who are leading from the outside and stop putting our faith in mythological saviors if we keep this energy going all of us showing for each other again and again election cycle after election cycle. We will win if we do the work if we show up. If we remain vigilant we will ultimately win and take back our democracy and that is what is going to happen so understand as demoralizing as this time capsule we've created here in this episode may be it is important and history is healing where we confront all of this. That's going on this dramatic history. Currently living we shine a light on it. We're ultimately going to build a better and fair freer country for all of us and the generations that continue this work. 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#EERS S9 Ep87: The Blood on Brian Kemps Hands

The Erick Erickson Show

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#EERS S9 Ep87: The Blood on Brian Kemps Hands

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The intelligence community that intercepts the information in this case With the Russian ambassador. Kislyak Talking to an American when you have that information The American is covered up redacted from the report and that has happened for years happened well before Brock Obama became president. And what happens is when Someone who has authorized can request that the American be unmasked It is not supposed to be to satisfy their own curiosity. It's supposed to be there's concern so there is a concern within the Obama Administration. Which by the way has done more unmasking than any prior administration and they're apparently we're up to fourteen different people within the Obama administration including Joe Biden and Barack Obama and others wanted. Mike Flynn's name unmasked So they unmasked his name from the report they found out it was Mike Flynn that he was talking to I it seems most probable that they saw someone engaged with Kislyak talking about altering the relationship between the United States and Russia. And if you keep in mind by this point the Obama Administration believes the worst about the trump administration believes the worst about the trump campaign and really does believe by this point that the trump campaign is somehow being controlled by the Russians. This is the Democrats completely believed this. It turns out not to be true but the Democrats believed it so they believed that the trump administration or the incoming trump administration is completely controlled by the Russians. They see someone they don't know who talking to Kislyak about realigning the American Russian relationship. They want him unmasked and surprise. It begins to leak to members of the media that Mike. Flynn has done this. Brock Obama is so concerned about it. he goes to the Department of Justice to Sally. Yates Sally Yates intern ultimately winds up telling the new vice president. Mike Pence that might Flynn had lied to Mike Pence and by the way. It's true Mike. Flynn lied to Mike Pence. That is objectively true. He was lost his job because he lied to the vice president but all of the information about Flynn leak because the Obama administration presumed the worst about the trump campaign and Donald trump and his incoming administration. They really did believe that. The trump campaign was coordinating with the Russians. And we know from the from the Muller inquiry. That's not true. I got gotTA. I really do need to do this. I need to go back to this audio from yesterday for a Brian Staedtler on CNN who is blasting Republicans for being obsessed about the Russian situation. The Washington free beacon put this way but I put this together but you gotta remember how obsessed the Democrats were. Brian was with the Russia. Investigation so disappointing. To look at what we're seeing right wing media these days where there's such an obsession with the deep state and these revelations about the Russia pro. Excuse this latest on Robert Muller Russia Investigation Muller investigators the Russian investigation. Trump's rusher ties and Robert Mueller the real Russia story Russia probe ongoing Russia probe Russia. Brush Investigation Foot Muller and the Russia Russia Synergies. They wonder if Russia has compromising information on the president. What is the source for? The president's claim that they have found no collusion with Russia. He missed out collusion every day. We're trying to keep track of the drip drip drip of the Russia investigation ripped drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip trump and Russia to see whether trump was secretly working for Russia to bring it back to Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia. Russia Robert Muller Robert Mueller Special Counsel. Robert Muller Muller Mother mullet Robert. Muller Robert Muller Muller Muller Mitigation Muller report conspiracy you believe that he's colluding with Russia. I wish I could just say no. He's definitely not that's great. Yeah putting that in proper perspective for you talk about No sense of self awareness there. Now here's the thing I honestly I have never talked. Spent a lot of time on the flint stuff. I've never really cared about it. I I've never been my clint fan. Katie McFarland's going to join me at the bottom of the hour. She worked for him. She likes him. I I know a number of people who've liked him I just I I. I don't know I never particularly did And I know part of that is just him being in the military then coming at being so aggressively partisan it always taught me very much like James Colman Andrew McCabe coming in and turns out they are the left wing hack. You always thought they were And I I might flip on on our side. And he's a conservative but I don't know there's just something institutionally about me seeing people in the military coming out immediately being so rapidly partisan And that has always bothered me in in. That's more on me than him but nonetheless. I it's not something I kept up with but I do think it is very notable regardless that members of the Obama Administration benefited from the unmasking. They leaked into spirit. Mike Flynn they leaked into spirit. Donald Trump they leaked into spiritual administration. They got the entire media spun up on the idea that the Russians were navigating the trump administration the Russians were controlling the trump administration. And even after the Mueller investigation. They still did that. Even after the Mueller Investigation the Democrats still kept spinning up about Mike Flynn about the Russians controlling Donald Trump. Donald trump being a Russian hatchet man who are a Russian apparatchik put into the White House and all of the deals with Russia. That trump wanted to do and it was all Russia Russia Russia for the Democrats. And now suddenly though it's the gop they're obsessed. You guys were obsessed with it for three years until Robert Mueller told you there was no there there and then you were still obsessed with it until you could move onto something else to try to get the president. The only reason they're so over the Russia stuff is because of the virus. The moment the virus goes away. They'll be back to the richest of they'll be wondering if Donald Trump and the Russians made the virus the thing that gets me though on this Russia's situation is that these people for years leaked this information you John. Brennan is on their Susan Rice's on their E. Barack Obama is on there. Joe Biden is on there. There are a number of names on there in a number of those people are sources and we also now know that some of those people went on television and mouth off as experts saying bad stuff was coming related to Russia and then under oath to Adam Shifts Committee. Said they don't really have any of this information that's just what they were saying on TV when they were behind closed doors and put under oath and it's remarkable that Republicans never leaked that stuff. It's remarkable how Adam Schiff of the Democrats benefited for years from leaks about the from the Obama team about the trump team. The media circulated those leaks as Gospel. Truth and the Republicans never engaged in a willful campaign. Liebeck and I I actually suspect the Republicans tried. I actually think the Republican motives uperior. I don't think they have haloes either. I think they tried to leak in the media. Didn't pick up the Republican leaks because it did no good. The Republicans had to go to Fox and the stuff they couldn't go to see an interim which was profiting in ratings terms in monetary terms from the leaks from the Democrats to make Donald Trump look bad because their network viewers don't like Donald Trump. But it's really really disingenuous to watch the Democrats today out. There leaking into watch the Democrats out there today screaming that this was a public unveiling of the Masters. It was a public unmasking of the massacres. How about that? There's a word choice. They're a public unmasking of the massacres. It wasn't a leak. I would have preferred it to be leak. I'm assuming this point. That's their complaint because they've been leaking this stuff for years and it wasn't a it wasn't a leak response to them. It was a public unveiling and they're outraged by the public. Unveiling they think it undermines national security no would undermine national security. Is You taking advantage of the unmasking in smearing everyone and then being outraged when you are unmasked as one of those people who wanted to unmasks the person who spoke these people have spit years undermining the trump administration and they really resent like hell that the trump administration is now playing their game against them? They really don't like it. You know it reminds me of kids on the playground. Where you've got the kid who is dominant. And suddenly the other kids figure out a strategy and they turn the tables on him instead of trying to up his game or change things he just takes football and goes home. He takes his ball and goes homey screams and cries and gets mad. That that's what happened with the Obama kids. You know you've got the Tommy Vietor Kid who worked for the Obama Administration. Who was a bus driver at times? You've been roads? Who got a degree in creative writing? Who is a spokesman for the National Security Council who openly admitted to lying to reporters to get them to sell the Iran deal? They resent like that. Donald Trump has been able to rollback so much of the Obama Administration's agenda so quickly. It took eight years for Barack Obama. Put that stuff together and Donald Trump has rolled it back in less than four and they don't like it and they've used every trick they could to try to undermine him including advancing a Russian narrative against the president and now many of those people have been exposed S. People requested the information about my plan and again to be clear here to be fair. This happens a lot. Unmasking happens a lot but I really don't think as much as I don't care about the overall situation I do care that a bunch of people benefited by leaks to a sympathetic press and are now outraged that they've been outed. I do care that it does now appear that the sole purpose for outing Mike. Flynn was to smear the trump administration. Because we now know from Bob Mueller. Himself that there's no there there in the rush allegations. They built up this for three years. It led ultimately to the impeachment of the president and it turns out there was never there there with Russia and sure they can say well. No this this is this is all. He was impeached over the Ukraine. Call but that was all tied to the Russia. The president's responses are best explained as being angry about the the Democrats in Russia and the president. Believing that Ukraine's had engaged in some way to help the Democrats get information from Russia. That wasn't true. All roads do come back to Russia. And if we're Bryant settlers and people on TV to say I can't believe that Republicans are so obsessed with this Russia deep state stuff. You're the people who've been obsessed with it for three years you hypocrite that you are slack so much self awareness that you can't even see it. And now you've been exposed and your squally about it. I really have no sympathy for the people who've been unmasked as cereal and massacres just so they could drive agenda and the press without any pushback from the trump administration in me. Welcome Missouri Erickson here. By the way I I'm I was GONNA start the show with it but then decided go with the flint. Say you know I do this on the fly. I shake everything up My poor team of people around me they they know never to actually advertise what. I'm going to start with because by the time I get here. It's completely different from what I told him. I was just GONNA do. I will get though to the I. H. Modeling lemme. Give you some good news about Georgia. I want to spend more time with this but I do want to give you the good news The the model is the model that the White House relies on. It's the model that Brian Kemp relies on is the model that all the other forty nine governors rely on and a lot of outside organizations in healthcare professionals rely on. And if you will recall after Brian Kemp Open the state of Georgia up the HMO model spiked the number of projected deaths went up the number projected cases went up the number projected. Hospitalizations went up. It did not look good for the governor. Now the thing that did not ever ever Max out was hospital space. And that was the governor's argument that the we would have it of hospital capacity and that was always what flattening the curve was about flattened the curve get enough P P P enough ventilators p. p. e. enough ventilators enough hospital beds so that we could handle any surgeon cases. That's what flooding in the curve. Was We got to that point? We can now get out of our houses with precautions. Wear masks the governor again. This week is said. You gotta wear masks. We can go into crowded places. You gotTa Wear Masks. GotTa be safe. You gotTA wash your hands of oil touching your eyes nose area well. The HMO model has revised again dramatically downward. Let me put this in perspective for you and this is is news. You should be encouraged by two days ago. The ME model showed that in Georgia by June twelfth there would be a thousand seven hundred eighty three new daily cases on June twelfth of Covert Nineteen and we would not get to zero cases until sometime after August in fact in July July first there would still be about a thousand new daily cases. They've revised the model now on June twelfth. The model shows that instead of the thousand seven hundred eighty three new daily cases projected. There will be three hundred sixty seven and by July first there will be less than one hundred daily cases and by August. There will be zero cases in Georgia. Essentially zeroing out covert nineteen by July instead of closer to Labor Day in the model revisions. Now I will have you know I talked to a couple of different people in that model changed yesterday and the people I talked to close to. The governor's office said they thought it was notable that there was a rush of reporters who called after the governor reopened the state in the model shifted so dramatically towards the negative. And there haven't been any calling to ask about why the model we had a major downward shift. In fact I checked the Atlanta Journal Constitution this morning and I can't find a big Salvatori story about the model shifting. Why is that exactly by the way you know governor jared policy of Colorado reopened the state of Colorado in the same way Georgia reopened the state of Georgia at the same time turns out that. Colorado has a testing fewer people per thousand than Georgia. Where's the media outlets about that? I I gotTA wonder if the D. Next to his name has something to do with it. I mean I think that. That's a reasonable hypothesis. Is that because you're at Polish. A Democrat the media is willing to give him a pass. Which further undermines the media? It's like the Mike Flynn stuff. The media was vastly more willing to listen to Democrats claim that Donald Trump was colluding with Russia then listened to Republicans who said he wasn't the media was vastly more likely to listen to the Democrats going on TV saying that There was a there there than they were. Two Republicans who telling them. Hey No actually. They said under oath behind closed doors that there was no there there because we now know from the leaked transcripts of the House series that the very same Democrats were going on. Msnbc and CNN saying that There was going to be big news coming. Were saying behind the scenes under oath to the House of Representatives. No actually I was just saying that on TV. We know that that's there in the record. Now notice how the media is not covering that side of it notice how they're not holding accountable their own side. You know take salt. New Assault is the the state and local taxes state and local taxes used to be able to deduct those from your income federal income tax. And now you can't in his driven taxes in New York California Illinois. Cnn has been beside itself. It's anchors have been beside themselves in covering this that it's an injustice. How much different do you think? Cnn's coverage would be if it was still headquartered in Atlanta. I mean it. Purportedly is but almost all of their anchor. All I think all of their anchors now are in New York and DC. It's amazing that when you're in New York and Washington how your perspective skews on everything. Maybe we need a new national network. That's not located there and see if we can get a different perspective on the world. It is irregular accent here across the state of Georgia. The full number eight seven seven seven America. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five One of the best of the best when it comes to national security out there who worked for some of the best of the best and all the way back to the Reagan administration and Man So involved in shaping some of the Reagan policies Through her work as a speech writer and the Defense Department and then into the national security apparatus and just a true Patriot Katie Macfarlane. Who happens to be joining me on the phone? Our you greater. Thank you very much for having me so I you know I I. I wish I online that you would have had waiting here the whole thing. I was talking about the Mike. Flynn situation early. Who you worked for the White House for a short time and I. I think it's just interesting that so many of the Barack Obama administration officials who benefited from leaks to the media are so outraged that Republicans didn't leak a list of unmastered but actually held a press conference and announced the names of those people. I guess they would have been happier if the information leaked on Fox or something look they. They work around at the Obama Administration did and they did it pretty consistently and they certainly did it. During the transition into the trump administration with General Flynn is the intelligence community would leak to their favorite people in the media and it would always be quoted as anonymous sources or people close to the situation who were unable to speak about this publicly and then they were just go on and spend whatever they wanted. These were unverified these. Are you know on identified people and and a number of cases they were using classified information? I mean there are for example. The big thing that everybody's talking about now Eric is a phone call. Between General Flynn and the Russian ambassador. Right before inauguration day and so the transcript of that has leaked and it leaks at the time a couple of days after the phone call leaked where to the Washington Post Win. It's still not seeing the transcript. Five not seeing transcript. I doubt if anybody has seen the transcript outside of the intelligence community and some reporters at the Washington Post in new time when striking to me is the arrogance of some of the in the Obama Administration that The incoming president in his transition team was somehow not allowed to have communication with foreign leaders and get comfortable with them and and explain the differences in direction. They might WanNa go and it seems like most of the complaining from the Obama Administration is that it took them eight years to put something together and this president to his credit is largely eradicated in less than four. Yeah I mean look they. If an incoming administration is not talking to was founded powder purse abroad. That's because you sure don't WanNa come in at twelve. O One on inauguration day and say I'm looking for the phone number for the you know the president of Turkey. We've got a crisis here. You need to establish those relationships during the transition. That's what a transition is four. And so if their that well General Flynn should talk to the Russian about her. That's false on honesty but what what were they complaining? Why are they doing this? Why because they have set out from the very beginning of the trump right after the election to try to hobble president in office because he promised to drain the swamp he promised to go. After corrupt government officials who promised to look into the intelligence community and reorganize it any promise to cut the fat. They didn't want that to happen. This preemptive strike and the excuse they news was the Russia hopes and they knew and they testified before Congress in closed session that they knew there was nothing to the collusion story and yet to the media to the American public they said. Oh yeah this is really serious. Donald Trump must be a Russian assets and they put through three years of division and getting at each other's throats over nothing because they so angry about Donald Trump winning i. I don't know if you've seen this montage from the Washington Free Beacon. They put up yesterday. Brian staedtler on CNN. Who is now just beside himself? That Republicans seem obsessed about Russia and the deep state after three years of of obsession to it. Just you know I do wonder if if some of their concern is that it turns out the reset button that Hillary Clinton gave the Russians had broken and they just are hoping you know but this is serious. It was the intelligence community working with the American media. With the partisan American media The Washington press corps to try to create and spend this entire lie on the American people so I think the press should be held responsible for it. I'M NOT GONNA listen to those guys and take them seriously ever again. They were peddling. Not True will try pointed out right before you came on In my last segment when you take for example the even the in nineteen stuff. The Brian Kemp here in Georgia and paulison color. Colorado opened their states at the same time. The media never said anything about jared policy. They made the attack on Georgia about testing and it turns out Georgia per capita testing way. More people on a daily basis in Colorado. But you've never heard the media tack policy who had to have a d. next to his name you know they've really just. American has the First Amendment of the United States is supposed to be free speech. And what are these guys doing? And the media the partisan media. There's nothing about free speech in this. They're doing what they want. They're acting like a another wing of the Democrat Party or a wing of the Obama Administration. And so you know I know president trump well and I've gotta say I give him enormous amount of respect for the fact that he's not only had to battle the Democrats in the House of Representatives. And he's had the democratic battle some of the Republicans who are angry that they didn't have to be president but he's also have the pressed against something like ninety seven percent of all media. Stories are anti-trumps well. You know that that's a perfect transition into. I know you've got a book coming out. I think is it's revolution trump Washington and we the people tell me about that as on Amazon gift. Your listeners can just click on the link right now insert downloading it and they can listen to the audio book and they can have much more of my voice thing or your aerobics or they can actually buy the book. A hardcover book is but I wrote it in three parts. The first part was why Longtime Republican establishment foreign policy expert. Really said that the Republican Party going in the wrong direction and I supported. Trump was because he he was sixty the economy and he would stand up to China. None of those other guys would stand up to China Democrat. The second part of the book is my own experiences in Washington and setting up the trump administration but also in great detail about the topic. We've just discussed. Which is the Muller Investigation? The Russian investigation my experiences with it which were very similar to general. Flynn's you know ambushing trying to pin crimes on you that you didn't commit and the foul part was I was so fed up with all of what was going on in Washington. My husband and I just left the country for months to try. I was trying to make sense of it so we went to the most remote part of western Scotland. No why finding TV no cell phone. No nothing jealous. Well it was a good time for me because I got my feet under myself again and I started thinking what's going on in my country and I realize Hey America goes through revolutions. We're supposed to go through political revolutions. It's the way that we the people who are self governing is the way we we throw out the guys in Washington who have forgotten that they worked for us and the other way around. And that's what this is. This is a revolution this is president. Trump is leading a revolution. The American people to try to get back the government. So that it's out of the hands of corrupt people who are doing their own bidding kick. No I'M GONNA ask you this having having done a couple books myself What did you think of the process of having to do the having to record your voice reading your own book you know you and I I like most people? Who Do these books? We actually write this book for myself word for word for word And it was a really good experience because I got live through it again or angry at parts of it but there were parts of it where I thought. Wow you know I really. I come out of Disa- very inspired person because the American system renews itself and regenerates and some of our finest times have been when we've had these political revolutions weather was the American Revolution Andrew Jackson for the Reagan Revolution. And we Kinda Outta them. Our country renewed so I think it's miserable is all this is now not like it. Took a couple of years time we will be nation reborn and that's the strength of America. We re we recreate ourselves not only as individuals but as a nation no other country in the world does that and that's something so precious. We can't leave amen to that Listeners E if you guys want to order Katie McFarland's book via text the word data to three three seven seven seven singer. Back a link to Amazon. So you can buy it right now even while we're talking about this A couple of minutes left here. What do you see moving forward when it comes to China and Russia and this administration and it seems like we've got to do something with China? Yeah I I think at this this whole viruses wake up call for for years. So Republicans and Democrats have not stood up to China. China's been taking advantage of us. We let them But but we shouldn't have let him and and they they've done what they wanted to do which was still intellectual property They wanted to have Their exports come into the American market at no tax. Our experts into them were very high taxes so present something already started standing up to China. Which is why. I supported him in the first place. But now with this I think the world sees she. The we've really want a world dominated by China so we really want the twenty percents to be the Chinese central handled this whole virus. They move ahead of problems. They shut down travel within China so wouldn't spread some rule. Honda other parts of China. But they let a travel so in and out of on some thought so there was spreading the virus abroad while the same time they were shutting down in their own countries is not we want to set the international world supporter. And I think that going forward. The policy should be number one. We don't want component parts to the new jet fighter made in some other countries whether it's China or others. The of pharmaceutical supply chain And then make sure that we work with our allies You know Japan South Korea Mexico Canada. The Brits the Europeans to all of us together stand up to China. Because we've all been exploited by this and then finally the most important thing that we really need to do for the future. Make sure we Montano Technology that we've always taken for granted but we haven't invested in it as you said and so we should start really focusing on the technologies of artificial intelligence about Michael Process in and not let other countries especially China either steal stuff from us or by the stuff the technology from us that we should it and maintain it right here at home. I let me pick your brain of quick. Break it off here. I am a person way. Smarter Than Me. Commented on an email recently One of the things we ought to consider is given the situation with Italy. Spain Germany Great Britain Australia New Zealand. That there's an opportunity for a strong western front alliance against China that could bring Russia into the fold against China given some of their historic grievances with each other and that doppler was probably best positioned to do that and the median. Democrats would lose their mind. If the president tried to bring Russia into something like that the media would much prefer to go with China than have the president. Do something like that. Saiful on comment that you just made. Because I've always said that the worst thing that could happen 'cause if China and Russia get together in this modern world with Russian weapons systems Chinese money. That would be a really formidable foe for us. And I think you're right. We bring in the countries which are democratic Have Free Market Systems? Obey the rule of law believe in freedom of navigation free trade and then we stand up together and maybe Russia comes into the fall. If I'm rushing right now I'm not really sure I'm trusting China on my border so maybe there is an opportunity to do that. There wasn't in the first term of president trump because of the whole Russia hoax was a fake from the start that the media and the Democrats perpetuated but maybe in a second term who knows are. I just think that we need to stand up to China. 'cause you know what in two thousand and twenty four. It's too late. The Chinese have already one. So it's whoever is the next president is the one that either gonNA stand up to them and reorganized America or it's going to just give into China will Katie Macfarlane. You've been generous with your time so much. The Book Revolution Trump washing. We the people you can order by texting data to three three seven seven seven. Thank you so much for stopping by thank you Eric. Detach you you to. Kt Mcfarland a former deputy national security adviser to the president. She was a speech writer for Casper. Weinberger the Reagan administration and again. Her book is a revolution trump Washington. And we the people you can take your order it by texting data to three three seven seven seven and you'll get all the Georgia stuff and the HMO model if you WanNa look at the revised ihop model. Which is Great News For Georgia? I've got that set up so you can see that as well man. I forget how that commercial break can be welcome it. They're hearing the commercials. I should put a plug in for Mrs Griffin's barbecue sauce. It's happening today. I will take pictures I I got my wreck. Tick Grill put together. I'M GONNA SMOKE BREASTS FOR SUPPER tonight Allegedly I can put them on at four o'clock and smoke them low and slow for about an hour or a half and then crank up the heat to about four hundred crisp the skin at the end of that. That's the theory and I've got my business. Griffin's barbecue sauce to to slather on them as well which I am excited about so you should get yourself some because we actually do use it in. Our House actually is a great old school southern barbecue sauce. And you can go to miss. Griffin's DOT COM or your local Walmart your I've seen it ingles that got it at my public's across the street you should get it thank you to them for sponsoring the show. Y'All I spend just a couple of more minutes here regarding what. Katy mcfaul number talking about on China. There's going to be a real issue and I suspect this is something where the trump administration actually can differentiate themselves with Joe Biden. Because you know Biden Son. Hunter is on the payroll of well. I shouldn't say is on the payroll. But he's been getting business out of China. He and John Kerry son have been making money out of China. Do you really think that Joe Biden is going to stand up to China. I just I I don't know I. I have a hard time thinking so. I have a hard time thinking that Joe Biden will do anything except maintained the Obama Administration positions which were deeply sympathetic to China and did not stand up going to be a reckoning with China and I really do think that we should be smart and try to figure out a way to get the Russians on our side and I really do think that the trump administration probably is best positioned to do that and I really do think the more I thought about it that the media will never let it or at least try to stop it. The Democrats will as well. It seems very obvious to me that the media would far prefer it If China was more dominant. We weren't in part of this. I don't know I shouldn't say prefer it? Maybe some of them do. But there has been an expectation for the last decade. Going BACK TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Remember when right after. Bush became president The Chinese forced one of our Intelligence surveillance planes on the ground. There has been a presumption sense that our days are numbered and China is going to be dominant and there hasn't been a conversation in the American press about whether that was a good thing or a bad thing. It was just accepted that this was going to happen and the media. I think overwhelmingly seems to be okay with letting that happen. The media overwhelmingly seems to expect that. It's going to happen and doesn't want to do anything to disrupt those expectations. I think the media does tend to think that this is just going to happen. We will accept it. There's no reason to stand up to it And who cares about the implications will the implications are striking globally. You know for example. LemMe Lemme diverge here for just a moment onto facebook. I actually think of the tech players. Facebook is a is a better technology player than most of the other companies. Now full disclosure a Google and facebook CAV Bo sponsored. My comforts vast Microsoft is well has played a role in sponsoring my conference in the past. I know a number of the tech players and I think that facebook by and large has been a more honest broker to conservatives. The others facebook has allowed things for example. Remember the Nancy Pelosi video where someone slowed down or speech or some such and Twitter took it down. Google took it down off Youtube facebook. Lifted up and said it. It's it's fair play it. It's parity it's or it's sarcasm. Or what have you and the media lost her mind. You know. Facebook used to be a hero to the left and to the press. When Barack Obama harness the power of facebook to connect with people get himself elected and then reelected dominated the platform will in two thousand sixteen. The trump campaign dominated the platform and as suddenly facebook is enemy number. One and I think that's very telling. I think it is is really interesting that the media was perfectly happy to play up facebook and then suddenly they're the enemy because of Donald trump getting elected wealth facebook as a result understand. It's got some media damage out there. In in one of the things. Facebook is doing is trying to abdicate responsibility for continental platform to an outside group. That is basically think of it as a Supreme Court Things will be if they take stuff down. You can appeal to this group and the way this group will work is there will be three people. They're all legal. Experts from around the world one from your country guaranteed and then to others. The problem is that the United States has the greatest free speech laws on planet earth and so if facebook allows you to appeal to a group and there are two people who aren't from your country from this country and one who is the two who are from more regressive countries could overrule the one from this country and your free speech could be pulled in the direction of a more repressive repressive government in fact every other government on the planet is worse than the United States on free speech so essentially If speech on facebook for Americans will be back. It's an American company. Shouldn't they WANNA pulled American standards? Every time I met with people from facebook there row row. We'RE AMERICA WE DON'T DO Business in China America F- yeah. I mean to to go with the team America. You know that you know the movie you know. The movie probably shouldn't watch it. But you know the movie and it they. They've been really big on that and it's just it's striking to me that they want to do that. And this is something you see in the media where the media seems to be okay with more repressive regimes becoming increasingly dominant on the world as opposed to wondering what can the United States do to rebound now. The problem is that so many of the people in the media so far left. He has socialism we should have socialism and and that will make us stronger. You mean you want us to adopt the economic policies of those countries. That seem to be gaining on US. As opposed to be more free market. Where when we were more free market. We did a better job These sorts of things need to be kept in mind. They they need to be kept in mind and I don't think enough people are when we come back. We gotta get into Brian kipps. Good news welcome it. Is Eric Erickson? Here how are Ya the phone number if you would like to be a part of this year program? Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five happy to take your phone calls. Where does Brian Kip? Gopher an apology. Where does where does he go? There is really good news and I've looked in Newspapers around the state and I don't see the good news. Nope it's not there. Nope not there No you know no you would never know it there Nets. It's not not not newspaper. Nope NOPE NOPE nope. Nope I I got all the newspapers in the state booked. Nope not there up nope. No there's there's this one looks look doom and gloom nope not in it's not in the AJC. He let me refresh the age. Nope no no. They've moved on. It's its top story is is I'm Aubrey Nope. Nope not there. No up up. President trump predicts one hundred thousand. Us Corona virus vaccine by years in. So that's that's not. No that's that's not know where. Where's the good new idol tsy? I've looked all the news. We got all the newspapers book. I don't see I don't see the story. Where's the good news because there's really good? He's why isn't the good news? I will tell you the good news. Jesus died for you and rose again from the dead. And if you put your faith in him you have eternal life that's the actual use but there's actually real good news here in the state of Georgia. The remember when Brian Kemp reopened the state on April Twentieth. He said we were going to reopen the state and boy was there hell to pay for. Brian Kemp Daring to say we were going to reopen the state. I mean people would. It was a meltdown. Here's here's Eugene Robinson on MSNBC GOVERNORS. Who are in a different position because they have to all the government really. Republicans and Democrats. They asked to to maintain some sort of working relationship with the federal government. And what president. Trump governor Cuomo instance apparently coming to visit him today at the White House for example Because they are trying to protect the citizens of their states and and and and I understand why they are proud to walk this tightrope accepting governor. This lost his mind. Georgia governor lost his mind. Here's a leash Jordan. At Democratic partisan understand the desperation that there is right now and the need to get. Bashar where the need to get back to normal faith but the problem is we aren't going back to normal. We are going back to normal anytime soon. And people that. And there's a there's so much fear right now over the unknown and as these diagnosis continue to grow especially the decision to open. George's particularly baffling. Even what's happening in the southern part of the state and we have Stacey Abrams later in the show and she certainly can talk about how well governor can't administered the twenty eighteen midterms and with what efficiency he operated as Secretary of state. And so. It's just scary that there's this attitude that you can completely disregard the facts as to what is the actual science right now Well Oh what is the actual sites? You know all the people who complained that Brian Kemp wasn't closing the state. He wasn't listening to the experts. He listened to the expert disclosed the state where they told to now he listened to the experts were. They said he could reopen and they got mad at him for that. They wanted him to go get different experts. Well where does he go for his apology? Ron For near who I know and actually like the guy. He's very pleasant person. He was the head of the Associated Press. And you'll recall when he was the head of the Associated Press. He got fire including for me for saying his reporters could be a little more forthright with their opinions Iran for two years. Definitely on the left Undoubtedly on the left and he has increasingly become. I think I would say angry. During the trump ministry so many people have who don't like trump. They become more angry a anger from despair. I guess you could say over the direction of the country. They they really do. Believe the country's headed in a very bad place they don't recognize that the trump administration just built on the president of the Obama administration baby in a different way politically but it's just built on the precedence of the Obama administration that they were perfectly fine with and he tweeted on April twentieth. After Brian Kemp announced he would reopen the state. Mark This Day because two and three weeks from now the Georgia death toll is blood on his hands and as Georgians move around the country they'll spread more death than economic destruction that was April twentieth because two and three weeks now the George. Death toll is blood on his hands. In fact as I mentioned yesterday the Hashtag Brian Kill blood on his hands was a trending topic on social media for more than twenty four hours. It gave an excuse for Stacey Abrams to go out and start attacking Brian Kemp on MSNBC. She was all over the place attacking. Brian jump well. You know it turns out as I said at the time I I was hesitant to get out to and I. I still intend to mostly shelter in place but the data was as I said then and still say now. The data was on Brian. Kemp side there has been a major update to the modeling from the Jimmy. The H. ME is the Is the model out of the University of Washington that Projects THE VIRUS. It is relied on by. The trump administration is relied on by the fifty states has relied on by the military. Is that good now? You can. You can say the models get wrong but you know the point of the model is to tell you the worst case scenario and hope that you never reach it. A lot of people have missed framed the models it think of like a hurricane model. If you will you know the big projection maps of all the places hurricane could go at. Here's the wide range and you see one of them shows you all the different models and and the lines where they're gonNA go in there compiled into a composite bubble that expands and as the hurricane moves the bubble moving contracts and. Hopefully you see where it makes landfall and the models are very much the same way except an epidemiological model shows. You here is in the worst case. Scenario what we think is going to happen and your goal is to never breached the model and thankfully we haven't reached the model but the model in Georgia. After Brian Kemp announced that we were going to reopen it. Shot up the model had gone from about two thousand people dead by by August. Two something like five thousand people dead. In fact I looked. I just happened to look the reason I'm gonNA use. June twelfth is only because I looked and I screen shotted it and the model day before yesterday showed that in Georgia on June twelfth. There would be one thousand seven hundred. Eighty three new cases reported that day new daily cases of one thousand seven hundred eighty three and that we would be doing about ten thousand six hundred thirty one tests that day well. They revised the model because the testing in Georgia has improved dramatically. Not only has the testing in Georgia improved dramatically contact. Tracing in Georgia has approved improved. Dramatically contact tracing has improved dramatically. And guess what guess what believe it or not the people of the state of Georgia actually doing what the governor said. Most people are still were although the numbers going down Fewer and fewer people are wearing masks. I was at the grocery store last night. I was at public last night and The other day I was I was in the majority. Were in masks and last night. I was in. The Minority. Were in mass. Most people were not wearing masks. It was thirty minutes closing time. Employees had masks on most of the people walking around did not have mask on regardless of age. Some did And but so the revisions are down to three hundred sixty seven new daily cases on June twelve. Now the more remarkable thing. Is that The the daily projections from ihop. Me Two days ago showed that we would still have about a thousand cases a day reported in Georgia on July first and we would have still over one hundred cases a day reported on August first so according to the data according to the data on July first the HMO model. Should we'd have about a thousand new cases in August? I about one hundred they again. They've revised it down on July. First now they project we will have less than one hundred new daily new cases in August. I we will have zero new daily cases. It's a dramatic reduction. A ten fold reduction. It is a huge reduction again. If you want the more precise number on on June twelfth two days ago they projected we would have a thousand seven hundred. Eighty three cases reported that day in a range between three hundred thirty six and five thousand four hundred. Eighty seven the the median. There is one thousand seven hundred eighty three but according to the model you know the models have arranged it could be three hundred thirty six new cases to five thousand four hundred eighty seven cases the probability resides at one thousand seven hundred eighty three cases. Here's here's the new one. Three hundred sixty seven is the medium where they expect will the probabilities three hundred sixty seven cases that day instead of a thousand whatever thousand seventy three and the Rangers now twenty five thousand five hundred to. Y'All that's remarkable. We know what's more remarkable? I talked to people. Close to the governor's office yesterday. They didn't get any media calls about the change. You know what? The governor announced. He was going to reopen on April twentieth. It would work. Is that the end of that? We that was a Monday in that into that week. April twenty fifth Barbershops law nail salons Massage therapists bowling alleys. They could reopen now. Why because those are small businesses that tend to have direct relationships with customers included the bowling alleys. You go to your local bowling alley. You didn't know him but then practical reality the what. The media failed report. Is that for example? The Bowling Alley technically could reopen but practically could not because it did not have the the safety parameters that would be allowed to get it to re-open so yes in in theory. A bowling alley could reopen on On April twenty fifth in the reality none of them could in. The media failed to report that the media failed to report. The governor's requirements ropy. They treated it. As a full reopening and it wasn't it was a slow rolling reopened with abundant precautions. And what they failed to report as well as that. The governor didn't lift the shelter in place order so even though the bowling alley could reopen and get ready. They really couldn't have customers for another week. Because the shelter in place order was to and the media completely ignored that too will shelter place orders. Expired in the businesses started reopening slowly this week. The governor expanded the number of people who could be inside a restaurant to eat in the HMO model his revised down dramatically down such that they believe by August. Now we'll be close to zero new daily cases where they're old model had zero daily cases. Not Heating until almost labor day so a month ahead of schedule. We'll be almost wiped out of cases before July first. Now that's really good news and you're not hearing it in the media. It's not a big story in the press today. The National Media Sale Brank his popularity cratered and they highlighted. The crater. Accede has a big analysis of today. This one governor was most hurt by his cove. Nineteen Responsiveness Brian. Kemp are they going to report this now? I mean they're the ones who did the character. Assassination on they're the ones who said he was a he can rube for doing it. Where's his apology? Where does he go for his apology? Where does Brian Kim go for his apology? Now let's be honest here. Brian doesn't care. He doesn't feel the need to have an apology. He's not GONNA go out and seek an apology. But where is it? Where's the apology? You know what they're doing yet like run for who by the way get I liked. But he said well. I may be another week. Let's let's wait another week or two weeks and Caesar's spike there if there's a spike in you know the governor said we may see an increase in cases that people don't do what they need to do we may see it. Increasing cases willoughby outside the norm for the rest of the states. How will we know it's Georgia causing it as opposed to other states bringing in here? How will we know? It's not that the media is going to apologize or not. It's that they WANNA wait for the bodies to pile up and then do a see. I told you so moment. The question is whether or not you guys let them have the see. I told you so moment and that depends on you being responsible and still maintain your distance wearing masks washing your hands and do what you can do to keep the virus from spreading but the governor is owed an apology and you guys should understand. There's really good news out there for Georgia. The full number here is eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five if you WANNA see the HMO modeling you can. You can't see the overall because when they change it they don't keep the historic stuff. They just revise it. But if you want to see it if you WANNA see the daily information from the Georgia Department of Public Health a text the word data to three three seven seven seven. I'll send you back both links. You're also going to get a leak. I interviewed in the last hour. Katie Macfarlane. She's got a new book coming out about the president and his campaign. Y'All a beginning to see the data. Don't be scared of the model and don't distrust them. I'll take a model for what it is The the model is to show you what could happen. And you need to take the model of every epidemiologists. I've said your is to never actually make the model right. Your goal is to beat the model. And that's what we're doing here in Georgia now to the phones James Colin from Griffin. Welcome to the program. Hey Eric I'm a big fan of your show. Thanks but you know. I'm I'm one of those people you know when I listen to the radio actually research and look through things because I just don't WanNA listen wind like I was looking at the daily infections and testing. I Don I am h. e e model and it's showing on August. I that we're still going to have about twenty infections that day And that July first were still going to have over a hundred infections day Can you explain the difference between that? And what you stated earlier I was pulling up a screen shot of it. And I couldn't roll my cursor over because it wasn't loading earlier. Yup One hundred sixteen on July first Possibly eighteen on August nineteen on August. First so that's what it was. I'm trying to see if you can see the model. The the line at Nineteen on August first looks right. Word is at the beginning where it's zero. And I couldn't roll my cursor over because the site wasn't loading so I was guest to meeting. That's where it was. Does that. Answer Your Question. It does and on your comment about the mask I've seen a whole bunch of people not wearing masks and that concerns me Because of the study that came out and said that in order to keep the numbers. Low Eighty percent of people need to be wearing masks. And so that's very concerning to me. Yeah it is and I'm glad you brought that up James. Because I was GonNa talk about that in the next segment in Slovenia They have reopened the country and they require people to wear masks and no one is testing positive for the virus anymore and so the study came out and said that if eighty percent of people would wear a mask when they go out in public we would wipe out the virus well ahead of schedule and there are so many people don't want to but we could actually get rid of this thing and go back to our daily lives if we did it. Which is what South Korea has done as well now more to your point. If you don't like James Don't rely on my word because I was having to guesstimate since I couldn't load the website. Now it's loading again so text the word data to three three seven seven seven. Let me roll across and give you the Trend Line. July first estimated infections one hundred sixteen with the range from two to six hundred thirty by. Let's do July Fourth July. Fourth is ninety seven cases go to August I August. I is nineteen cases. August second is eighteen. August third is is eighteen August. Fourth is seventeen. He doesn't go further than that. But the range goes to zero. So essentially we do have zero by August I. The old model had his closer to a thousand in July in several hundred August first. So let's just take August I and again I don't have the old screen shot from August. I from two days ago but it was well over one hundred cases. August I now. They're saying precisely nineteen with a range of your at one fifty seven. That's really good news. Considering where we were July I was thousand cases July. I was thousand cases two days ago. The Right now hundred sixteen. That's really good news. That's really good news and you don't see it in the media now. Why because here's the most interesting part and you can see it for yourself again. Just like James. Did you can see it for yourself. You can text data to three three seven seven seven the provides. This brown dotted line of estimated infections. Here's why they revised down so much. What did they tell us? Has the number of tests go up? The number of confirmed cases will go up. You can see from yourself that for yourself. The number of confirmed cases or the number of tests has gone up dramatically in the state and the number of confirmed cases is remarkably holding the same. That's really really good news for the state of Georgia and our media needs to be focusing on the good news if it bleeds it leads but you know this is really good news. They need to cover it. It is Eric Erickson here now stepping outside the boundaries of the state of Georgia. Yes welcome the full number is eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. I may go into those details later. We'll see but right now. I want to go to j waiting patiently where I am in making where the sky is blue. Welcome J. Thanks for taking my call. Sure I haven't had decent political representations since you got out of politics but man. That was the worst job I ever had well. We're thankful that you took it. Some of US are down in down in vacant. But Hey I just a couple of quick comments you know you were talking about the About Governor Camp and you know he does he deserves a lot and I want to add to that. Just one thing you know. The president wasn't really standing his corner. you know he kind of. Said you know. I don't I O'Brien maybe going a little bit too early. And maybe I wouldn't do it so you know. The governor was a man on an island. he was a leader that looked at saks and made a decision by God. How revolutionary ideas that You know the other thing that drives the socialist oppressive liberals crazy about people like us in Georgia Eric. Is You told us what we needed to do to flatten occur and we did it and we can go from here. You know we can figure it out so we'd need to do to stay safe and we'll figure it out we don't need oppressive. You know Liberaux governing to shelter us in our homes like we're in communist North Korea. You know we can figure it out and you know. I've got a song for Hank Williams. Junior country can't survive about it. We'll we'll we'll fit weakened down so jay. Have you seen? Have you seen the tirade from Daveport? Nori of bore. Barstool polit of Borstal Sports. Yes Okay I. I can't play it on radio because the profanity but yeah I mean like he says winded flatten the curve. Turn into Oh my God. We can't leave until we find a cure. I we're we're where we are. We are Americans. I mean it was knowledge. Tell us what we need to. We're not duked it And and we're GONNA show him down in Georgia. I think we're a little hick trump's but we're gonNA show him we here. We can figure this out. We are up Merican and that means something they into that. Listen thank you very much for the phone call. Appreciated the full number here. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five and did JAS. Boy Tell us what we need to do. Now listen I realized there is this antagonism among some people on the right out there about wearing masks public and I. It frustrates me because all of the research you know I gotta say the CDC and the World Health Organization's advice early on to not do it will go down in history as one of the worst piece of advice is given in modern times because we now know from Taiwan South Korea in Slovenia the three countries that overcame cove nineteen faster than anyone else they mandated masks in public and people started wearing masks in public in the viruses gone. And they're not really having to rebound in some isolated pockets and South Korea. They are and those rebels are coming bars and nightclubs and the bars and nightclubs are now closed down again in South Korea. Which is why Brian. Kemp is extended their closure in the US. Turns out that when you're out having a good time having a few beers and injuries with buddies you're not gonna stay away from each other. I gotta I gotta I gotTa say that. I think the data is on Brian. Kemp side. But the data's also undecided wearing your mass of the let me. I wasn't going to but let me get into this Jonah Goldberg Joan and I. We don't get to hang out a whole lot. But he's he's he's a great writer. There are There you know I got to know George will and his wife and they're wonderful people and when I was a kid I loved to read George Will. Yeah when I was a kid I loved reading because he is. He's he's just man he writes incredibly and I just I think the world of him and all come on. Where's my pastor? I can't get into his G. File all of a sudden. Where is I'm locked out of my account to get into Goldberg's G File? This is a problem. Let me see if I can do it. This way. because it's worth it's worth reading it's worth talking about he makes some great points And part of that is. Let's see gee file. Can I find it here? Yes I can here. We go part of the thing. That Joel Goldberg writes. Is that in the culture war you've got to have You have to have more warriors in the culture war and the way to get the culture war revved up is to fire people up and make them angry and the way to fire them up and make them angry is to give them a grievance and these days the way more and more that you give people a grievance is to just infuriate them because fighting the culture war is more important than what the war is about. So you've got to read people up in the culture war okay. Now I've got access to the whole thing so I. I don't have to crib from John. I can just read some of this. Brilliant to it all started. Nope that's that's not the one I Never mind forget it. I can't get into it. That frustrates me I genuinely think here we go. Culture war generals need troops in cultural war troops constantly need new things to be angry about including wearing face mastered a pandemic i. I'm sorry I'm trying to get into this. I should access to it and I don. I should've gotten it earlier. But that's that's the point. Though culture war generals need troops and culture war troops constantly need new things to be angry about including wearing face mastered a pandemic. I I need to insult some of you and I don't mean to insult some of you. I don't want to drive away listeners. I'm trying to grow this show where we are now crossing state lines with this show slowly. But surely we're building an empire here. I don't want to burn bridges with my listeners. But this is going to insult a whole lot of you. How many of you are whipped up into an angry frenzy about wearing masks in public? I have a sneaking suspicion. You're angry because you heard people on TV and radio yelling about it. The idea did not pop into your head. The idea that probably popped into your head. I was Maybe I should do this. Not because I don't WanNa get it but because I don't want to have it and not know it and spread it other people. Maybe I should do this. Because I'm a responsible. Member of my society Maybe I should do this because you know those idiots at the local grocery store who clutched around the the packages the Hojo's when I'm trying to get past them to get to the bread and I gotta walk right past those mouth breeders and they may have the virus and get me sick. I might as well be precautious. I don't want to give it to anyone I don't WanNa get it from anybody. I bet that was your first thought. And then you heard someone somewhere raylene honored and you respect that person and you respect that person enough and they go on and on and tell you it's an affront to your liberty and you this is a give me liberty or give me death. I think I can't wear a mask because it's tyranny to make me. How dare the government tell me? Government can't tell me what to do. Oh I got to buckle my see. Bilton getting the car before I drive. Y'All it's like wearing your seatbelt. The government makes you do it. I don't see you out protested in the streets around. Wear your seat belt now. Some of you don't wear your seatbelt and you should. The most of you do what you're supposed to do to keep yourself and everyone else safe. There are community obligations. I listen I. I'm a small government conservative and believed in rugged individualism but also recognize that a rugged individualist still has responsibilities to his community. You got to pay your taxes. You GotTa stop at the Stop. Sign that the government tells you to stop at. You can't run the red light. You got to wear your seatbelt to help bring down insurance for yourself and others. Carin shirts and you gotta wear masks in public. If you're in a crowd now in Georgia they're not mandating it but I think Jones right here that there are the culture war generals. They're so busy fighting. They went on the left. They don't care what they're fighting about anymore. I mean what is it From the whole Gosh. What is Nineteen eighty-four at war with the left? Nobody even knows what we're fighting about anymore. We should we're fighting about We should not be fighting over the idea of wearing a mask in public. There are things to fight about and I gotTa tell you. I think it makes our side less serious overtime when you're screaming about not wearing a mask in public just just put a mask on. If you're in you know you don't have to Frankly last night. I didn't wear a mask. I went into a grocery store and I did not wear a mask last night. Call me hypocrite if you must but why did I not wear a mask last night when I went to a grocery store I didn't because I knew it was right at closing time and there were only like three cars in the parking lot? That weren't employees cars so I knew the odds are that I could run in grab what I needed and come out and sure enough. I was the only there were customers in there. I'm sure but I was the only customer I saw. I went in needed now about thirty minutes before I went into Publix in the parking lot was full and I put a mask on when I went in. Use Your judgment. Use Your best judgment. Y'All but the idea that it's a civil rights violation and make you put on a mask. no stop being an idiot and again. I go back to this. How many of you are really followers? And you don't even know it. Everyone every conservative. I know says we like to think for ourselves and it's amazing. How will you get some loud mouth out there screaming at you that this is a threat to your civil liberties you change your position because the loud mouth says all the time? Oh it's similar. I read twitter on social media. They're talking about this. I guess is a friend of myself. I thought you thought for yourself. You know an easy way to understand the mask thing is the second amendment. You and I both know that if we're not responsible gun owners that the tables will turn on us in public support for the second that will crater the media keeps trying to make support for the Second Amendment Crater. They amplify everything to try to make it happen. And you and I know and everyone else knows the by and large gun owners responsible people in one of the responsibilities. You learn gun safety classes. The responsibility that I teach my kids responsibility. You teach your kids. Is You never ever ever put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to pull it and fire the gun e did matter if you know the gun is unloaded you never put your finger on the trigger and it is a matter of safety and responsibility? It's not because you're scared. Subtle matter of fear semester of responsibility some matter of safety system with were in a mask in public. You're doing that because you're scared of getting the virus and you do it. Not Because you're scared of of giving it someone the odds are you could walk around with your gun with your finger. You never never go off because you're responsible and you're careful but as a matter of safety responsibility you don't do it because the accident could happen and you got to be mindful of that. The situation could change. And you've got to be mindful that same with a mask public if you go into a crowd where a mask. Here's the thing the data Georgia's really freaking good. It is really good. We are on the rebound as a state. Our economy is starting to open backup. People are starting to go back to work. The HMO model modeling is continuing to go down the daily cases. Statewide continue to go down per capita. Our testing is now in the top ten of states. And we keep it that way by being responsible we keep it that way by being responsible people by continuing to keep our distance by wearing masks when we go into crowded grocery stores and places like that and we help the governor ultimately. Here's the bottom line here. The governor of the state of Georgia took a huge political risk. Was a man on an island is Jay called and said he was a plot politician island. Everyone was shooting his direction. No one wanted to see him with the governor and the governor said ultimately I trust Georgia and I trust Georgians to do the right thing when you go in public. You need to wear a mask. You need to keep your social distance. Keep washing your hands. Keep avoiding your face stay at a large crowds and just do the right thing and we'll be fine. I'm going to trust Georgia. That's what he said and everyone else that you can't trust Georgia you can't trust the people you got a mandate it. You've got a mandate mass. You gotTa order them to stay home. You're not even arrested enough people and you know what he trusted. Georgians and Georgians are being responsible. Vent all you want about wearing the mask but as long as most of us do it. It's okay I know people who are not going to wear masks They are so contrarian I I mean they need to repent. Frankly they've become so contrarian are they're not even conservative anymore. If everyone says I if everyone says don't jump off the bridge they're gonNA jump off the bridge because everyone said not too in the same way. Everyone says we're not going to. I mean really I I know some people out there who have all of us said unanimously. Do not point a gun at your head and pull the trigger. They will point the gun at their head and pulled the trigger just to prove everybody wrong before they're dead. There's a level of arrogance in contrarian ISM and a level of pride in it. Just be responsible out there though. Be responsible you'll be fine. We'll keep the virus at bay and we'll go on about our lives and you know with Georgians are responsible and we do it. We need to do our economy will rebound faster than other states and it'll give us an economic advantage against these other states so we might as well keep on chopping wood. It is me you can call in if you want man where the time goes eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five is the number if you WANNA call in I man. I've been so distracted with all this other stuff and there's other stuff I wanted to talk about but wait. We're the daily soundbites. Because I had stuff there. I wanted to talk about and I got so distracted. I forgot to load them. Yes here we go. I want to talk about the bailouts because the bailouts seemed to be coming. Have you heard? So the Democrats unveiled their new bailout. Plan the bailout. Plan from the Democrats references cannabis more than jobs. Which makes you wonder what they're smoking when they do this. But and I. I wish I was kidding. But the Democrats have unveiled their latest three trillion dollar plan three trillion dollar plan To get the economy up and going and part of their plan is about studying Women Cannabis Sellers and minor how to make more women and minorities legally sell marijuana now. I wish I was making that up but I'm not. There are more references to selling marijuana in their stimulus by one stimulus plan. I guess maybe they were soon. They completely forgot what the stimulus bill was about stimulus dude. It's the stimulus bill about marijuana. No economy on track. There are more references to to study marijuana and and helping women minority sell drugs Then there is to actually creating jobs in this country chest absolutely bizarre and and here's Dan Crenshaw in this role. There's a couple of reasons why that is for one thing. Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats. They operate in a different reality. The operate in a reality where you can keep everybody locked down forever at the government's orders and then just keep sending them checks in the hopes that they will actually be an economy bear when we come back. Well that won't happen will whether on a vine and I think we we all intuitively know that businesses continued to fail even with P P. funding. That can't last forever and it's like they want to create this sort of socialist utopia where everybody is on some new EUBOEA payment. All right. That's not living in reality. That's living in an a false utopia. But second of all like as Lindsey Graham said. It's dead on arrival. We haven't been able to see the text of this thing. They didn't draft this at all with Republicans. There was no input whatsoever. You know I remember all of these. Freshmen Democrats come into Congress. They've flipped a bunch of red seats and they said over and over and over again that they were here to work with the other side. They just wanted to solve problems. That has never been the case. That has never been the case not once during the session and when American needs them the most when needs them to most actually work and solve problems. They refuse to do it. We have to be looking at the problems with the scalp what we have to be looking at individual issues and then solving them. You know how we can do that. We could actually be at work. We could actually be at work debating and and working in committees and and moving forward and I have a bill to do something just like that little more from crenshaw actually solving the problem because the way this was originally drafted and why a lot of Republicans were against it was because it ended up that we might be paying more people more money to remain unemployed instead of going back to work. That's a huge problem especially more trying to get our economy back on track so what this bill does is it allows allows states to allow people to keep that six hundred dollars extra week for six weeks even if they go back to work again. Because there's no way politically that GONNA be able to remove that benefit at this point. Democrats want to extend that benefit through the end of the year by the way if you want to make sure that Americans don't work and remained dependent on the government. Well that's a great way to do it with my bill. It's a great way to actually keep stimulating the economy but encourage people to get back to work and actually get our get our country back on track. That's of the problem that we're dealing with here. There are a lot of people the country making way more on unemployment than they would make going back to work. And we're GONNA need to reconsider that situation because we're incentivizing people not to work in this country and that's a real problem when we come back. We need to get into politics here. Georgia howdy. Welcome Midst Eric. Erickson here the full number. You WanNa be part of the program. It's my program. Yeah the Ericsson show. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four two five six after the hour. Richard Burr Richard Burr. The senator from North Carolina has had the FBI subpoena him or serve him a warrant and grab his cell phone. They you know who has it. Kelly Leffler I think it's notable that Number of Democrats and Leffler political opponents tried to wrap her up in the Richard Burr scandal. And say she had done something nefarious as well. We actually know that. Leffler and her husband did not do as Richard. Burr did yes. There were sales made. That data did not come. From Leffler was made with her knowledge. It was information the public at the time and her he was wealth. Wells Fargo Morgan Stanley. Goldman Sachs I think were some of the companies that they traded in in L. Leffler and her husband actually divested from all individual stocks in early two unusual funds in index funds. Jessica you know David Purdue as well just to to move past the democratic talking points. They're harming themselves economically. They're no longer going to allow their investment advisers to buy individual stocks in American companies. They're going to make them to index funds and mutual funds. Just so no one has there there but I gotta tell you the IT. It's amazing that we're in this situation and the Leffler ties continued to come but I mean it's it's amazing but it's also obvious that she's in the middle of a political fight but it's Richard Burr. Who had the FBI come after him not Leffler and that's notable in that. They don't actually think she did anything wrong. They would be coming after her if they did to now. Interestingly if there's no love lost between Burr and the trump administration Richard Burr is seen as someone who has covered for the FBI and has protected intelligence sources. Who were AH DETRIMENTAL TO THE PRESIDENT? So you're not going to see a lot in fact. I'm already seeing trump supporters cheerleading the F. B. I. On this that is notable it is something to pay attention to. You're not going to see any cheerleading For Richard Burr from trump supporters. They're they're out to get him. They're out to get getting which may make you wonder if burr might raise the defense that this is a political witch hunt against him By opponents within the Republican Party. I don't know but it's notable that Leffler is is not in the mix there it's actually very notable that she's not And is more indication that everyone knows she did nothing wrong? It's political opportunism to go. After her. I will tell you though who is getting a lot of traction out there and deservedly so one of the people who has been the most vocal about the flynn situation and about the screw ups within the delegates committee is Doug Collins. Who's running against Leffler? And he's getting a lot of media. Buzz deservedly so it is. It is for those of us who have been talking about this for over a year. I mean released transcripts. We've had Debbie Nunez. We've been talking about this for so many and really nobody wanted to believe that the highest level of the Obama Administration Obama Biden and Joe Biden can hide in the basement. You can't hide from his facts here that he was in these meetings and now moving it forward. We're now starting. To See this all unraveling with the General Flynn case with Muller Investigation. It was all just an attack on president trump and at the time candidate trump. So I'm glad to see this is coming out and it's time people start being held accountable because the way it was going about is you had Coley McCabe struck page all these acting as a roving band of of Deputized street thugs. Going after a candidate for president in Collins is really staked his turf on this and he's getting a lot of media attention deservedly so he's played carver smart here. The the thing that I find notable is the amount of. I'm seeing a lot of Doug Collins campaign signs in my area in middle Georgia and they're not on the side the road I've seen Leffler sides on the side of the road. I've seen collins signs in people's yards and Leffler is not building the tie. She needs politically. I think there's only so much loyalty for the governor out there and people like I like Doug Collins. I said I'll vote for Leffler. I think the governor deserves to make the pick and she deserves to prove herself and she's got should have two years to do it But Collins waiting and he's he's a an aggressive good charismatic politician. He's got a great team around him and get a run for money and she got a lot of money to spend but can she spent overcome a collins continues to pick up a lot of endorsements. You've got drew Ferguson. Karen Handel run in. The sixth is backing him. A number of sheriffs backing him now. Leffler is getting some support in the Metro Atlanta area. I think all the Gwinnett County. Sheriff is supporting her in a number of have come out to support her. She's got to do more though I can. Can I just can I be real honest? I don't know Leffler well. Every interaction I've had with her has been nice. I feel bad for her in that thrown into this thrust into the situation willingly. She wanted to go and she's got a team around her. That is good but I just I get the sense. They're protecting her too much. And let me explain to you. The way I see this eye and first of all let me say again Doug Collins. If Collins is the senator he'll be great senator. The reason I'm backing left instead of college has nothing to do with Doug Collins who I would gladly support otherwise it has to do with. I think the Constitution of the state of Georgia gives the governor of the right to make that big. I think the governor was entitled to make that pick of I think loafers entitled therefore to prove herself and there will be an election in two years and if she hadn't done good do it then and I think Dividing the field among Republicans a jungle primary on the general election. Ballot is a bad idea. So I'm going back Leffler but I'm totally fine with Collins at an I have refused to run hit pieces on Collins at my website the research it because I like him. I I'M NOT GONNA Attack Doug Collins but I want everybody knew where I am but I I gotta be real honest with you. Every time I've had a conversation with Kelly Leffler she's. We've had a good conversation. And when I throw curveballs at Kelly left for like for example Kelly Leffler team reaches out and when they reach out they WANNA know what? What are YOU WANNA? Talk to the senator about and listen to if anybody does this just full disclosure. I will always tell people win. I'm going to interview them. What are the sorts of things? I WON'T GIVE THEM THE QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA ask but I'll give them the areas. I'm going to ask you about this. I'm GonNa ask you about this. I'm GonNa ask you about this. I always also if if you want to be interviewed on the program you need to know this. I will almost always but almost always also ask about something else because I understand why they're doing it. They want their person to be prepared. And I get that when I was on. Tv back in the day Regular when I was at CNN in particular but then at Fox Whenever I had. Tv Hit they would send a packet of stuff. Here's all the stuff we're going to talk about. What are your thoughts because they want to be prepared and I feel like I want to give you guys a good show and also to give you a good sense of who this person is so. I don't want to ambush people. I don't like ambush journalism except I always ambush. I always just as I always want to throw in one thing just to see how they respond and it's nothing hard it's no curve ball but it's just something that they're not expecting and it's not. It's not forgotten moment. It's I know whoever I interview. They're going to be well prepped by their staff. So let me throw in. Just one thing that they weren't prepared for and see how they do. And here's the thing with Kelly Leffler. I've done this in every interview I've done with her in every one of those interviews. Leffler has responded better and sharper with the things. She wasn't expecting then with the stuff that she was expecting. She's almost over prepared. And if your if your lawyer. Yeah I learned this in law. School learned the hard way actually in a in a moot court Situation you can over prepare sometimes and screw yourself up and I get the sense that her staff is treating her with kid gloves because she's new to politics and they're not letting her go out there and I don't know if they're afraid or she's afraid she might screw something up but she's really good on her feet when she's talking off the top of her head for for example. Let me give you the example. Last conversation we had We were talking about the cove in nineteen. We're talking about the briefing. We're talking about Everything happening in the state and I asked her about moral hazard. Having been finance. It was the perfect topic to raise with her that we are inevitably going to bail out some companies. That should deservedly so collapse. There will be we will see a recessionary event in the future of the pile up of companies that should have collapsed during this. That won't collapse and they'll use government money to prop themselves up and continue on for a while and then ultimately they will collapse and they will probably expect never another government bailout and they will probably say. Hey you know government You baled as the last time. You gotta bail us out this time. We we made the decisions we made. Because we presume that you would bail us out. And there'll be a lot of people in the government who will come along to those financial institutions. It'll be banks and lending institutions and an investment companies and the governor. I guess we gotta bail. Yeah we did it in two thousand nine. We did it in two thousand twenty. We're going to have to do it now. In Two thousand twenty six and so I raise that with learned. She said Eric what you're talking about his moral hazard. And it's a real concern and we're going to have to deal with that issue but now is not the time to do with that issue. Because we don't have the capacity right now to separate out the people who should be going under the people who should be going under right now everybody's GonNa win under and we are GonNa have to put that often and we're going to have to deal with it at some point and we probably will have to revisit the situation. We just can't do it right now and that was it. I mean it was less than one hundred fifty words and it was to the point. And it was so refreshing. She didn't want the opportunity to filibuster. She didn't want the opportunity to drag her words out. She's wanted to get to the point and tell me what she thought. It was great and that that was the second time she's done that. Let's see that was the second interview I do with her. The first of you. What was the other thing I asked her in the first interview Oh Gosh I can't remember now what it was It was before the I anyway. I I did that before. It was same thing A she's just to the point. She was blunt and to the point and I appreciated that as a radio show host. Who oftentimes you guys here. I don't like to do I like to have you guys call in In fact there are some days I think are people even listing. 'cause nobody's calling in and occasionally the other day. I was at the store and and somebody came up to me and said they heard me talking about radio this that I just enjoy listening to you. I want to call in and that made me feel good. It was good good reinforcement. But you know I would much rather have people call in who our listeners of the program than do interviews. Because I'd rather interact with you. I feel like you're east dropping on my conversation when I do interviews but occasionally like Katie McFarland. This morning she was worth having on. It's been worth having some people on But I don't like it when people filibuster and inevitably you get a politician on they just WanNa feel I was interviewing. Who is who was a no longer in politics here in Georgia was a elected official here in Georgia who I interviewed a while. Back and my rule of thumb is to never interrupt someone when they're answering a question. Let them finish and inevitably. You'll get the basis for your next question. Don't interrupt them. Just let them talk and I had to keep interrupting this person because in a twenty minute interview. I think they could have stopped without a without a breath. They could've run on for that twenty minutes and learned. I would learn nothing because their their answers were so guarded and so Techno speak and technocratic actually learned nothing. Corporate ease was was. I guess a better phrase you never learn anything so I was having interrupted having to push. Because they didn't answer the question. Those are the times when I liked it or up but I would much rather let people talk can learn something from them and get the basis for the next question. Have what's called a conversation? I used to do a radio show where I would go on and The host it was in California and this hosted it was San Francisco Conservative radio station and there was a host who had have me on while I was at red state and would ask a question and I swear to you people I could have said there's a ufo landed in my front. Your oh my gosh. They're splitting opened my dog and eating it's guts and the host would move onto the next question as if they never even listened to my answer it was. It was the most bizarre thing. And I hate interviews like that and I don't want to subject you to him anyway But this is all a rambling discussion on the left or collins thing I realized but Leffler needs to be less guarded and needs to be out there more and Collins knows this and has taken advantage of it and he's got the Flynn situation as well and it's no wonder that he's doing better than her the polling right now her team. I realized they think they've got a long time. They've got until November and people are paying attention and the virus. Cuban people cooped up but I'm afraid they get to the point where they're waiting too long and they can't just make it an anti-drug collins campaign they need to make it a pro. Leffler campaign. I don't WanNa see them go nasty against college. He's a good guy. A Leffler should be able to to speak to her old record without attacking Colin. The phone number here is eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven nine seven three seven four to five. Let me remind you that if you need your P. loaned for your small business go to first liberty. Gpa DOT COM. I liberty of First Liberty Building and loan there in Newnan. Now if you're listening out of the State Khazar show is now broadcast outside of Georgia's well even though we spend a Lotta time on Georgia because that's where all of our station save one are We get I. Liberty building can help you. 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I you know the first stimulus plan which was over two point three trillion dollars approximately gonNA say twelve percent was intended to go to the people in the greatest need and they have yet. I think as a whole received that called stimulus and we're talking now about another stimulus of over three million and three trillion and if if the mask can be worked out it's going to be like ten percent of that money supposedly we'll go to the people in the greatest need and yet the ones in the greatest neater getting pittance compared to You know all the other stuff that's being thrown into it. I'm just concerned about that. Mean they'll they'll learn how to become marijuana farmers under the Democrats plan. What more do you want? I mean seriously I'm not making that up and I wish I were but there's actually money in there to teach people marijuana farming skills what's amazing to twelve percent in the twelve percent and I'm like I'm thinking well twelve hundred dollars. A lot of my friends subject. Have you heard anybody getting the money I said? No I haven't and they said I I'm what am I going to get it? And you're talking about another one right. Another twelve hundred dollars which is only going to be a small percentage of three point some trillion dollars i. I don't know what's happening in government. Government's fifty million people fifty million workers and not one non-essential department. I don't understand exactly and you know Jay. There's the other thing is is remember remember. When the president of the Republicans passed the tax cuts and the typical person the average American would get a thousand dollars back and the Democrats. This time said. Oh thousand dollars nothing. You can't live on a thousand dollars. And now they want to give you twelve hundred bucks as if if two hundred dollars it's crazy. It's absolutely insane so Thanks for listening but I. I'm I'm against that next so called stimulus because it'll be it'll be a giant giant pork barrel and I. It's just a horrible horrible shame for our society so yeah absolutely. Thank you very much for the phone. Call and you're right It it is not thoughtful in like Dan. Crenshaw I play that audio earlier what what crenshaw saying is that the Democrats want to extend the six hundred dollar supplemental unemployment benefit through the end of the year. They are incentivizing. Not Working. Y'All at some point okay. Hang on a second. I got a screen shot of this headline. I want to read you this headline from the New York Times I screen shotted it in case they changed it. This is the headline a little. While ago. On The New York Times virus could be here to stay and economic pain long-lasting if the virus is going to be here to stay. Don't we have to figure out a way to reopen society and get people back out if the virus is going to be here to stay? Don't we have to find a way to navigate through society with it? That's what Brian Kemp has been trying to do in. The media sailed him for it by the way. Jake Tapper on CNN. I correct myself. He reached out to me when I was lamenting the lack of accountability for Jared Policy Colorado. Jake said to his knowledge. He's the only one who did but he did. Actually engage Europol his reopening particularly when Colorado was doing less testing per capita than Georgia. But Brian Kemp was lit on fire by the National Press and the president of the United States for trying to reopen Georgia in a thoughtful way based on the data it turns out thus far. He has been successful. So long as you guys. Don't let your guard down. And he got a for it. He took a hit in polling. Republicans are mad at him because he closed down at all. Democrats are mad at him because he opened it. All in Elodie retired reports. The virus could be here to stay economic pain. Long-lasting I think we're GONNA have to find a way through. I think we're going to have to find a way to navigate. I think we should be applauding. The governor's were trying. Is that of trying to score political points? But that's not the way things work. These days is it. We need to find a path forward. Joel we do. And I'm glad our governor here in Georgia has tried and billy in Tennessee and several of these other governors who are trying to find a way out of this economic mess that we're in. Hello there. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Rick Bright is testifying before the House of Representatives. Today I'm not dwelling on it for a couple of reasons. One of which is his attorney was also Christine Blazey Ford's attorney Democratic Partisan Two is because I have read through his complaint and it seems Maximized in language and word choice to get all sorts of Salacious blathering. Attention from the media and three is because nonpartisan sources. Who WORKED WITH HIM Said that the problem was him and he needed to be transferred and it had nothing to do with politics and these are not people who care for care for Donald Trump They worked in the Obama administration as well and so it seems to me that he is a nursing a grievance for being fired and is trying to distract from the fact that he deserved to be fired so I see no reason to get worked up about ric bright. There's plenty of other stuff to talk about Other than him. I do want to go to the president's comments where he was talking with Maria Bartiromo from early this morning here. A couple of these tough on it. They're not allowed to go out they can't. They're losing their jobs. We're not going to let it happen. You think your critics want you to keep it closed going into the election. Yeah I do I do. I think it's a it's a political thing. In addition I think saying you're putting money business ahead of lives. Good no no. I think the people that want to see the right thing happen. They agree with me. We have to get our country open. You know it was up to some people. Let's keep it closed for a long time. Okay a long time and watch the United States. Go down the tubes and not going to happen never going to happen on my watch asking you see long term damage. One more clip from him. The things we've done take we'll have one of the best economic years we've ever had dr FAO cheese saying a different thing. He says he's worried about spikes turning into outbreaks he said it seems like could be too soon and that the major message he wants to convey is that the danger is If we skip over the checkpoints in the guidelines to open America again that we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks. So Anthony is a good person very good person. I disagreed with him When I closed the border to China he disagreed with and then ultimately agreements that save hundreds of thousands of lives. Which is what happened. Everybody disagreed when I did that. I think that we have to open our schools. Young people very little affected by this. We have to get the schools open. We have to get our country open. We have to open our country. Now we want to do it safely but we also want to do it as quickly as possible. We can't keep going on like this. I mean you're going to have having bedlam already into streets. You can't you can't do this. We have to get it open I totally disagree with him on schools and we will have I call a members. I call them spikes and he called. I notice he used the word spike. Well you might have that. We'll put it out you know we've learned a lot. We didn't know anything about this. Is horrible disease is a horrible plague. I call it a plague. It's a terrible thing we've learned a lot and we also know how to put it out but we have to open our country. We have no choice. People are dying this way to when you report this better than I could ever report it but people are report did did dying with his closure with the shutdown of a country where they're in. The House are in their apartment and not allow some people to tough on it. They're not allowed to go out. They can't they're losing their jobs. We're not GonNa let it happen. I WANNA play one more clip from the president on fouled. She before I get to where I want to go with this. Listen to this. This was played up as an attack on Dr Voucher from the president. And I don't think it is But listen to it. A little cautious about me opening what the opening the economy to some lucky wants to play all sides of the equation. I think we're going to have a tremendous fourth quarter. I think we're going to have a transitional third quarter and I think we're going to have a phenomenal next year. I feel that we are going to have a country. That's ready to absolutely have one of its best. Use Nick next year with all of the stimulus and all of the fact that it's too pent up demand like I haven't seen and you see it right now. These two really professional good governors do such work so hard. I know both of them very well. What happens to be a democrat? Okay but we've worked together. I think we've worked together very well and one. You would expect me to say that but it happens to be true. Okay I gotta I gotTa Tell You I. I really think that the media and some of the president's supporters are both trying to get dr out she fired and I'm disturbed by it on both sides Let me deal with the president's supporters. I Because I suspect I got some of you listening. Who are in that camp. You want Dr Faustus fired. Because he won't reopen the economy and he's he saying we need to keep it closed and people are listening to him. You know Dr Found. She is The head of the nationalist toots for Allergy and infectious diseases. Or whatever it's called. He's a career government bureaucrat. Who's been there since the Reagan administration is now one of the highest paid Civil employees he has advised Ronald Reagan. George H W Bush Bill Clinton George W Bush Barack Obama and Donald Trump George W Bush giving the Presidential Medal of freedom for leading the AIDS task force that dramatically reduced rates of HIV infection around the world. Dr Valgy cannot keep the economy closed. Dr Vouch e cannot shut everything down Dr Foul. She has no power to do anything. The power resides with the chief executive officer of the United States of America under article two section one. The constitution is named the president of the United States. Who happens to right now? Be Donald J trump and the people on the right who are the president's supporters were blasting Dr Voucher. You're doing because they're too chicken to take on the president of the United States. The president of the United States is listed. Dr Audi if you don't want him listed active. Ouchi blamed the president. But you people won't blame the President Will you. So you're making doctor faust the bad guy. You're making him the fall guy because you don't want to stand up to the president who you adore and worship and that's fine. You're a cold personality. You're not thinking about this reasonably and I don't mean to be insulting but that's what it is. I mean the president of the United States is the one who's listening to Dr Fallacy. If the country's not reopening it's because the doctor fallacy and the president of the United States to his great credit to his overwhelming credit is willing to have someone on his staff like Dr Fallacy. Who is worrying about things that could happen? And he's allowing him to speak publicly and freely and it's the media on the other side of this wins the president of fire him there clearly at odds. The media wants Dr Foul. She fired because they don't like that. There's a competent guy. Wish of the president's here. The trump president supporters don't like the fact that the president is listening to the competent man whispering in his ear. Everybody's out to get Dr Chee. All the man is doing is giving his free conductor his expertise medicine and infectious disease. That's what they're asking him about. I would be critical of Dr Foul Chief. Dr Vouch Valgy in his advice to the President or Congress started talking about the gross domestic product and inflation and monetary concerns. Because that's not in his wheelhouse. The president has Larry Cudlow for that. The President Has Steve Mnuchin for that. The President Has Jerome Powell for that. The president has the Wilbur Ross for that and the president is not listening to them. The prisoner's listen. Dr Ci knocked burks. Why are they the bad guys? I mean if you're on the writing you're mad at them. We are really mad at the president for listening to them. The president doesn't have to listen to them but he is listening to them and he's gotten great advice from them by the way you don't like it but objectively it is so that the advice has been on point and it the the people on the other side the the people on the other side the people in the media who want him gone. You know why they want him gone. Do you know the members of me and by the way this is. Actually you should be more horrified by the members of the media who won and gone then the the conservatives out there who want him gone because they don't like the president to him and they don't want to criticize the presidents of the criticizing. Foudy see if they were to criticize the president. I mean you've got you've got strain of people on the right right now in infuriates. Be because we're all we're all sinners we all go astray. We all make mistakes. And they're a group of people who are incapable of ever acknowledging. The president makes a mistake. Now I know why they're doing it. They're doing it in large part because the media always amplifies the mistakes and so they don't want ever acknowledge them and I get that George W Bush to the same thing and it drove me crazy than two when George W Bush. Supporters wouldn't admit that he could make a mistake. Yes George W Bush made lots of mistakes and now that he's not president all the People. I've got friends of mine who used to get mad at me for pointing out the mistakes Bush would make now. They're pointing them out and some of them. I saw a couple of weeks ago. One of them may very prominent Republican which circulating something I had written back in the day about George W Bush that. Sob was one of the people who blasted me for writing it. Then people are stupid and people are funny. You should be more appalled. Members of the media who want doctor felt she fired and who were trying to gin up the controversy and the antagonism between the President and Dr Falcone and the reason is because they want voucher fired because of his competence see there are members of the media who do not believe any competent person should surround the President. They want the president to fail and the best way to get the president to fail is to surround him with idiots who will give him that advice as opposed to people like Dr Faucher who are steered him in the right direction. Look for example. Look for example if you will at the media antagonism of Mike Pompeo. Mike pompeo former congressman from Kansas. Is now the secretary of state and he's doing a really good job and the media is livid with Pompeo for doing a good job and the route to undermine notice the media never really antagonistically tried to undermine rex tillerson fact the media been a lot of time building tillerson up. 'cause Tillerson wasn't a very good secretary of state and they're out to get pompeo because of his competence they're out to get faust first competence throughout to get burks for competence. Like the media was out to get Nikki. Haley where you see how the media would Nikki. Haley was the UN ambassador. They did their best to try. To drive a wedge. They ran all sorts of hit jobs on Nikki Haley. She's antagonizing members of the trump administration. Iki Haley's acting like she's president. They did it with Mike Pence as well. The media ran those stories about my people. Think Mike Pence's more the president than the president behind the scenes. People know Mike Pence is really the power behind the throne. Mike Pence whispers in the president's years imposes puppets trees and it was an media. Hit jobs designed to make the president not trust the competent people. Giving him advice and to his credit credit. The president continued to listen to him to his credit. The president defended them to his credit. The president kept them in their positions to his credit. The president's kept people like Thoug- and Berks in their positions. I understand why the president's supporters can't bring themselves to blame the president even though they should if they were honest about it and why they're making Thou- G The bad guy. They shouldn't be doing that. They should be honest but I understand. Why the media's doing it and I'm really disturbed by the media doing it because the media wants competence out of the White House if you will recall. When this president became president there was a concerted effort in the media to shame anyone who decided to for him people were open about it. There were progressive activists openly shaming people. In fact there's an ongoing effort. Where when you leave the trump administration if anyone in the media outside of Fox dearest to give you a contract. They will shame those media outlets into not look at what happened with. What's her name? Who were it was in the Justice Department and win over to see an end to work behind the scenes to help gear up coverage for twenty twenty and they were horrified. She's now a contributor she didn't she got hired by the dispatch. What's her name Nice girl to But The the media the media and partisans in the media drove her out of a job in the media because she had worked for Donald Trump. We're going to see this by the way if he were lose in two thousand twenty or even if he wins he and he's out in twenty twenty four because he's term limited. You're going to see people in the media blackball anyone who worked for Donald Trump. They WANNA shame anyone who works for him who's competent to get them out. So he's only surrounded by incompetence and they will punish anyone who dared have the audacity to not walk away from him. Every single person regardless of your politics should be disturbed by that every single one of you should be disturbed by an ongoing media effort. It is not a partisan progressive although it is but the media the objective members of the media the presumed objective members of the media. They may lie about their objectively. But they're given that veneer and they are the ones who are traded draft maker rift between the President Dr Falcone and we're all worse off because of it. We need a media in this country. We can actually belief and I don't know that we have one and that should trouble of us I to tell you you know what one of the remarkable things about having a talk radio? Show the number of pitches you get from people like for example. There is an adult toy manufacturer. Who would like to come on this program to talk to you guys about the rise in purchases during Cova nineteen? There is another person. Who's who's pitch just got. Who would like to come on and talk about how you can get ready for a new job after lost your job And this person is is making her own pitch I every day. And then the cannabis people do you know how many marijuana want to get on talk radio now and I'm just on the distribution list and you can see all sorts of people cup copied and they wanna come on conservative radio talk about marijuana and an adult toys and losing your job and my favorite is the dog trainer. Last week. I got one from a dog trainer. Who wanted to come on that and the basic pitch was. You're stuck at home right now so you should use his online course to learn how to train your dog. And if you don't have a dog you should get a dog as an aside. If Philip and I were having this conversation this morning you see the craziest stuff in the morning and when you're out and about The number of people I see in my neighborhood who I had no idea. They've got more dogs than relatives. I passed a guy. Maybe walk in someone else's dogs. Well he could have been but had like five dogs that he was walking. Like how do you have in your house that many dogs? I know people who do and I love pay? We've got we've got a golden doodle. I like cats. I like dogs but having that many I've got a friend of mine who now has has four kids and has more dogs than kids in the house and every year or so is having to change out furniture because the dogs destroy the furniture. Why why come on now. Don't do that in an event. I digress. There's other stuff we need to talk about out. There isn't there yes. There is Including hang on whereas whereas it whereas this I wanNA play this audio for you. I will not comment on this audio until I have played this audio. You need to hear the Audio I was as many people not a very strong supporter Senator Sanders and ask Senator Sanders. Believe very much that this is something that That he in a direction that he wants to take the campaign and wants to make sure that we position our progressive leaders as in very key positions to very least sway. Em- push the Biden administration as much as possible to improve and better articulate. Progress cow received Okay I got A. I would just like to say that having Alexandria Kazu Cortes out there. For Joe Biden is going to hurt Joe Biden and I just I okay. How do I do this? Okay okay okay Here you go. I think so when I when I ran campaigns we would have people and you know the people. Let's let's just be honest. There are people who don't have the self awareness to understand how they'll be viewed by other people like I'm always concerned how people are GonNa to take me and stuff Or are people just telling me stuff because because they're trying to flatter me because of who I am and they don't really mean it I got I got all those self confidence problems? I'll be honest with you but I see people when I when I ran campaigns. There would always be the B. The person who didn't have the awareness to realize that they probably should not be front and center. Oh if you've ever walked in but worked in politics you know the people you do and you just need to be real honest that such people do exist and you've got to tread carefully because you don't want to upset them because they're good people they're sweet people. They've got kind spirits and they could. They could work on the campaign but they just don't really need to be the face of the campaign and Alexandra 'cause you'll Cortez's coming like that. They're going to give her a role in hope. You never see her again and she is. She lacks the self awareness to understand that. And you know she's going to be vocal because the media loves her. She's a celebrity and she scares the bejesus out of pretty much. Everybody who's not a communist and she is hurting in her reelection campaign already. She may lose a reelection. She doesn't have the self awareness to realize she and her crazy policy scare a whole lot of people in Joe Biden has put her in a position and they're going to give her a title and basically they want her to be an envelope stuff in the back of the about back of the building and she's no my title is green. New Deals are by God. I'm going to go out there and bazaar and she's to do damage to the campaign she is they don't realize it which just makes all the more hilarious to watch. I would be remiss if I didn't note again that today I'm going to break in my wreck grill and that means I got my Mrs Griffin's barbecue sauce and I'm going to go cook with old school Soto Barbecue you should get Mr Griffin's barbecue sauce I realize I've only supposed to plug them once a show and I already have and I'm GonNa do it again. Why because I'm going to go use my wreck now. I did not realize so many of you have them. I've had so many of you reach out and say you got them instead of a trigger. Well they're not even a show sponsor and I feel. I should make them one just just for free. Because I'm so excited I got chicken breast got brisket. So we're going to do my chicken breasts and then I'm going to do a brisket and we're going to have good eats and I'm going to tell you all about it tomorrow and you are war and Charlie probably not even going to show up for work tomorrow because of it.

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#EERS S9 Ep86: Open, Closed, and In Between

The Erick Erickson Show

2:01:48 hr | 10 months ago

#EERS S9 Ep86: Open, Closed, and In Between

"Question I have a question. Welcome it is era keurigs in here. The Erik Erikson Joe Across the state of Georgia. Glad to have you joining me this morning and I've got a question. I I got a question and you can feel free to call me if you want. My phone. Number is eight seven seven nine seven zero eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five question. Where's the blood on Brian? Kim's hands has anyone seen the blood on Brian. Kemp's hands because I was told that it today would be the day. We would see the blood on Brian. Kim's hands we are two weeks now removed. We are officially now. Two weeks removed from the state beginning to reopen and people are beginning to move out of their houses whereas the blood on Brian. Kim's hands I was told there would be blood now on. If I want to see blood I gotTa Watch that movie. You you know the movie. What is that there will be blood there? There's no blood the number of people in hospitals in Georgia for Cova nineteen continues to go down. The number of new daily infections continues to go down. The number of people dying continues to go down. The State is headed in the right direction. There are pockets of increase in the state. We know where those pockets of increase are. We know why they are happening. We know what to do to contain them That we have hospital capacity in the state if the number surge again people are headed out of their houses. Oh where's the blood on Brian? Kim's hands the national media told us we were all going to die in two weeks after Brian. Kemp reopened the state. We are now two weeks from Brian. Kemp ribbon where we're all the dead bodies in fact hang on a second. Let me step away from the microphone. Real quick now. I'm I'm sorry I just I need to look out. There are no vultures in the sky this morning hovering around the dead bodies. I don't see them there. Look out there. There's not even. I can't even see cloud. There are no vultures where all the dead bodies now we may get a surge. We may get an increase in fact. The Governor says there probably will be an increased. But that's been the whole point the whole time. Is that We we're going to see the numbers probably go back up some of people who get the virus but we have the hospital capacity in the the bed space and the ICU capacity to deal with the issue. The bellyaching from so many people is a little bit of a a a silly nonsensical thing. Now the governor had a press conference yesterday and What he said is that bars. Nightclubs have to stay close to the end of the month Now there's a reason for this. They're actually a couple of reasons for this number. One bars nightclubs and live music venues. It's hard to get people when they're drinking socially distance and we still need people to socially distance. You still need to be wearing a mask on the way by the way So I I'm seeing this thing. There's this thing blew up last night with a one of the common good conservative types. You is so there's this conservatism isn't good enough for some people anymore. And they've decided we need to reinvent it as common good conservatism. Which is big government conservatism? Which is the the big government gets to tell you how to live Your Life. In a way that's good for everyone else around you and The rest of US would call this big government. Nanny state is and they say no. No no it's one-size-fits-all services and we can't have regionalism. We can't federalism. We have to have the nanny state in Washington. Tell us what to do. And we comply with it and it's conservatism. They can't really tell us what it means. Beyond that. But it's common good conservatism. And I see one of the leaders of the common good conservatism online last night. Saying Wearing a mask is cowardice. You wear a mask got fear. Why are you wearing masks? Where to mask is ridiculous. We we we should defy any law that tells us to where masks. Y'All those of you who anything about guns which is probably three quarters to two nine tenths of my audience. Which reminds me? I gotta go to Barrow Automotive by me new gun just because got to help the economy you know. If you don't know where borough automotive is you need to educate yourself but nonetheless most of you have guns. Why don't you put your finger on the trigger when you have a gun? What what why do you keep your? I mean if you go through a gun safety class they teach you not to keep your finger casually on the trigger. Why why is it because you're scared of the gun you don't put your finger on the trigger because you're scared you're you're you're fearful literally little worry wart? No you don't do it because it's good gun safety. You don't do it because a respect for people around you you. You don't do it because accidents can happen. Same thing with the mask. People aren't wearing a mask because they're scared. People are wearing mass because they fear getting sick. No you get the mask on because about half the people who get this virus will never even know. They've had it in. They spread it to other people who die Chiro. The woman in in Great Britain. She was a railroad worker Some guy got mad at her because he wasn't doing what she wanted him to do to comply with social distancing wearing a mask any spit on her face and said he had the virus. She's dead she died of the virus. Guy Actually did give it to her reminds me of the of the bus driver in Chicago. Who the woman started berating him for? Not Socially distanced seen He made her get off the bus. She had the virus. He died the bus driver. Did she lived? He died you. Don't you wear them ask to be socially responsible? You don't have to wear the mask everywhere but if you go to the grocery store there's a bunch of people do it you go into the grocery store. There's nobody ram don't worry about it in the lively through at. I don't necessarily worry about it. They they got themselves covered up themselves. You're good but it's about you. Transfer accidentally transmitting the virus. Not even knowing. You're sick to other people. That's how the viruses spreading so much because you start becoming contagious. Well before you know you're sick. In many cases you never know. You're sick but this. Whole idea of the mass. Socially responsibilities is nonsense cool to meet. It's crazy that the common good conservatives are the ones out there saying don't wear the master another just pitch Libertarians which suggests that won't be very successful advanced anything. No No. No offense to my libertarian prince. But when's the last time you guys actually got elected to something substantive but a okay seriously? Though where's the blood on Brian Kim's hands because we were told that everyone was going to die and we didn't know he came out yesterday with this press conference in bars and nightclubs. You gotta stay close a live in you stay closed. Because as I said when you're drinking you're not socially distancing you're having a good time and Though seemed to be in the places that have reopened and saw rebounds that seems to be a big factor in the rebound is the social interactions with people who have been drinking tends to help spread the virus so those are going to be closed. Restaurants though can add more people you now be able to have tables up to ten from six to ten and you'll be able to have more people in your restaurant. People still going to be socially distance but you can add more people per square foot to your restaurant which is a good thing. overnight Summer Camps Gone. Can't happen this summer at least not yet They'll look at him again. The beginning of the month of the beginning of June but right now gone But Day camps. You will be able to ship your kid off for a day somewhere. You just won't be able to keep them there overnight. The data in Georgia. We will probably see a bit of a spike and in certain areas of the state. We've for sure we'll see bits of spikes We we've seen this up in Gainesville with the poultry producers. We will probably see this and some other parts of the state but overall the data is good in the state of Georgia. We have more available hospital space now than at any time. We have fewer people in hospitals today with the virus than at any time since the major flare up and in Dougherty County. We have fewer dead people per day than any anytime. We have fewer daily new cases. We're we're doing well as a state and people are doing what they need to do. People are still managing to be socially distant from one another. There are two hundred seventy three thousand nine hundred four total tests so far. A major skyrocket. Because this time last week if you'll recall this time last week we were barely over to. We were right at two hundred thousand. We we've gone up seventy three thousand nine hundred four since then which is great thirty five thousand two hundred forty seven new cases about a thousand new cases reported six thousand two hundred. Twenty eight total hospitalizations. That number is is stabilizing. The daily rate is actually really good. The daily rate continues to show. Georgia's doing what it needed to do the projections. The seven moving average continues to decline for the state. You know you can go now on the state and see the seventy moving average for every individual county. Let's do Floyd County real quick in Floyd K. Wow Floyd county. You're you're just y you you nosedive you spike. And then you went down. That's great. You've got April twenty-seventh was your high day. You had four cases. Let's see May I may I? She had three cases may third. You had one case now that also go up some but that that's great news if you're headed in the right direction and Floyd County. What about deaths in Floyd County? You haven't had anybody die. Since April twenty fifth you had one death. On April twenty fifth year had two deaths on April twenty third. Now you're not having a lot of deaths in Floyd County now. What about? Let's see let's do Habersham County. Let's do Habash County in Harrison County your cases and you. You haven't crashed as much as Floyd. You're seventy moving average doesn't look as good. There's been a slight uptick Twenty eight confirmed cases on April. Twenty ninth but your peak was April twentieth of Twenty Eight. You had a spike on the twenty but otherwise you've had a downward trajectory which is good. You're seventy moving. Average is still headed in the right direction. What about deaths yet a a death on the first you had a death on the on the on the twenty seventh of death on the twenty eighth. Y- YOU'VE KNOW DENNIS. The twenty nine th so you've been good yet to people die on the twenty fourth one last one. I can't do them all but I'm going to do three of them to give you sense of it. Embiid county where I am in Bibb County They said we would not hit our peak until mid-may where we're at mid-may and we're not near the highs that we were on April twenty on April night. There were forty two confirmed cases on April Twenty Seventh Twenty Six on April twenty nine. There were three deaths. The Spike came April twenty eight. That was the peak day for desks. That was three on the twenty ninth one and thereafter none so it looks like the State is actually doing what the state needs to do. It looks like the people of the state doing. What did he do in the incumbent? Here is that you as a people are going to be more responsible for whether the virus spreads are not than the governor letting you out of your house. There's still no reason for you to go out willy. Nilly go out grocery shop now. You can go to a restaurant with friends of yours who you trust our good friends and you're not out and about and crowds stay out the crowds limit where you're going but y'all we were told on April twentieth when the governor or April twenty first. The governor has press conference and said that shelter place would expire on April Twenty Ninth April. Thirtieth rather people would be allowed out of their houses at midnight the week before that barbershops and Tattoo Parlors could reopen and everyone said nationally. The governor is going to kill us all. And now we've got two bowls out by the way there's a third pull out. This poll is from a Republican for friendly to the governor. That says fifty one percent of the state approves of what he's doing there the accurate pollster that actually got everything right when it came to whether or not reopening was good but there are a series of of national polls out that looked like the governor just doom and Gloom. Democrats are mad at him for opening early. Republican dramatic forever closing but the data has been on the governor side. Will there be an increase in Georgia? Yes there will probably be an increase in the virus in Georgia as more and people get out of their houses and more and more people reduce their their guard. Let Their guard down and start going. There will probably be some more cases. But not the spikes. We saw in where there are spikes. We know where they're coming from and how to contain them. This is really good news for the state of Georgia. Y'All this is good news. People are doing what they need to do. The governor was guided by the data. Contrary to what so many people in the media said the governor was actually guided by the data. He was actually guided with Dr Gasoline to me to reopen the state of Georgia. The state is slowly reopening. Do you know the The New York Times today says that it looks like we are. We are at the peak of job losses that we will not see major spikes and job losses from here on out the economy beginning to slowly recover and by the way you know you still be there if you need. P P for your business the check my friends at first liberty building and loan in Newnan. They're still money in the program which is actually a good sign that there has not been any major rush on more money even as Congress is prepared to add more money to it now if you needed to go to first Liberty G. DOT COM. That's the website at first liberty Georgia. You can actually click on the website you can apply. There's an apply now button. You can apply on their website and they could be if you're listening to anywhere in the United States so they can help you. You don't just have to be in Georgia anywhere. The United States you need p. there are small business lender. They've been doing it since the early nineties. I Liberty Building and loan in Newnan. I've sent a number people there now and all of them have gotten PP. Now here's the thing they can't guarantee it but they want to do their best. You gotta get your payroll paperwork in order anything that proves your payroll your quarterly filings. Whatever you need to get an order but if your business needs to be go to first liberty G. A. DOT COM click. Click the apply now button and get it done. The economy is rebounding. The money is there. It looks like the job. Losses have slowed. The state is reopening. The virus continues to slow down in the state. Warm weather is upon us. That's going to be a good sign. There's a lot of good news out there and we should not get bogged down in daily death tolls and avoid pointing out that we are headed in the right direction as a state it. Is there your accent here? The number is eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. I want you to go get a bottle of Mrs Griffin's barbecue sauce you go to Mrs. Griffin's Dot Com if you want The reason being is because You can buy two get one free and you need it you know. I actually had a listener. Who emailed me overnight Sunday who got ball of Griffin's barbecue sauce for mother's Day because that's what she wanted because I said it was good and it is. I don't say it's good because I'm getting paid to say it. I say it's good because we use it in our house. In fact I got my wreck tech smoker. It showed up. It actually showed up in the last half hour of this program yesterday and I did not bail on you and all of a sudden throw on a best of I waited until the show is over in and I went outside and I put my wreck tick rt. Seven hundred the bull together. I gotta say all right. I'm deeply impressed already with this machine. I actually am but man. The instructions were terrible. Okay Oh excuse me that was terribly professionally coughing towards the microphone. So I get this. I get this the grill and it comes with all these pieces and then it has a box of of screws and it has labels for the screws like there's The the large bolts are like a the small boats or be the the small washers or see the the large Washer D. And like you get it. There's no reference to them in in the instructions. None there there is no reference to what what washers and bolts and nuts To us I I I mean I was just beside the and then I went missing scores. But they were very nice. I called them and they directed me to a youtube video. That shows you an in shows you pictures. It doesn't give you the letters of the nuts and bolts to put together but it shows you picture and then they overnight me in fact it will be here in the next hour. I just got an email from. Ups in the next hour. I'll get the four screws that were missing nonetheless. I was already impressed with it yesterday. Yes I'm going to have a small segue year and into why I chose wreck over traeger or or anything else. This is an ad. They're not even paying me. Barely Glenn Beck is doing a giveaway with the wreck tech people but not me nonetheless. Okay so so why they so. I'd I have had a big green egg for years. I got figure out what to do with it now. But I've had a big green egg for years and I love my big green egg the but I'm at the point. Now where I've I know how to use the big green egg I don't use it for grilling I only use it for smoking. So I want something with larger capacity that I didn't have to fiddle with this much. I can just set it. Forget it so to speak with a pellet grill you can but let's say I do WanNa grow on it. A traeger cannot get as hot. As a wreck tech rectal actually it's hotter than other pellet grills out there including a yoder gets hotter than those other grills as you can get up to five hundred sixty degrees. You can actually see her a steak. It comes with Syrian Raj. You can get To make sure that you're able to do it. Well you can use cast iron skillet if you want. But it also gets really slow One of the criticisms of Pellet Grill is. You don't get the same. Would smoke flavor that you do from a from a Big Green Egg or a whole would smoker. Because the pellets don't produce as much with the wreck tack actually can hold a temperature one eighty and generate a lot of smoke so your first hour you can smoke something at one eighty and make it very smokey and then raise the heat to two twenty five And it's not as smoky thereafter and it holds. Its heat the other great thing about the ticket. As opposed to the triggers. I can increase decrease temperature by five degree increments which is Great For bread on it and stuff like that. So I'm I'm very impressed with the machine It was a pain in the butt to put it together. 'cause the directions weren't fantastic but once you got it together and I can control it remotely with my cell phone if I wanted to. It has an APP. You can turn it on while you're out on the lake fishing and then come home. And it's he oughta in ready to go we'll be back with actual news no more grilling it. Is Eric Erickson here and I will take your phone calls. I can if you want me to. The phone. Number is eight seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five okay. Now we need to discuss polling. Oh the polls the polls there are a series of polls out in Georgia Republican groups and those Republican groups are at odds with each other the speaker of House. Representatives has a poll out showing that the governor sucks. And he's awesome. The governor now has a pull out showing that the governor is is not not great. But he's okay. He's fifty one percent support forty eight percent. Everyone strongly strongly has a strong opinion on whether or not support. The Governor Whatnot Here's the thing that all the polls agree on him. By the way there's an media pull out that also shows governor has been hit Let me hang on a second. I I apologize. I should have done this sooner and Asia. See I'm going to the Atlanta Constitution Where is the did it did it did it? Yes here. We go This the poll is conducted by public. Being which is actually a good poll and let me give you some of the data here from public opinion strategies. Let me see if I can zoom in here and get you the methodology. Yagla vulgar as good and. He's one of the the pollsters who has been done in the past L. Look look look look. This is different. This is different now. Why is this different? This is actually credible because this was a phone poll. This was a pole with people by phone. This was not a Iran. Remember the pull that the speaker of the House released was text message. It was online polling and text message and robo-call this was actually a poll of people with cell phones a statewide telephone survey which means they call. Which means this is a more accurate poll. Then what? The speaker of the House released to to Slam Brian. Kelly lauffer and this poll actually shows that governor governorship. Let me read you a slim. Majority fifty. One percent approve of Kim's decision. In April to allow some shuttered businesses reopened forty seven percent disagree a higher number fifty eight percent back his move to lift the shelter in place order for most Georgians. Forty-one percent disapprove. Show more people want to get into the house to go to businesses and guess what it looks like that is translated into the real world. I mean have you been out and seen there are definitely more people out but still not a ton of people. Donald Trump has a slight intensity advantage over Joe Biden with forty three percent of voters saying they will definitely vote for him compared with thirty nine percent of for the Democrat but there otherwise tied. Three quarters of voters agree with this statement even though I am going to continue staying at home giving certain businesses the right to reopen as long as they follow strict health measures like wearing maths limiting customers and practicing social listening is the right thing to do on testing. Georgians are split over whether they will take a test as soon as possible or only if necessary forty three to forty four six percents that they'll never take two thirds say. They're worried about someone in their family. Getting the virus forty four percent. Say they know someone who's been affected. Now here's more of it Leffler is at eighteen percent of this poll Doug Collins at nineteen percent and Matt Lieberman at Seventeen Percent Raphael. Warnock back by the National Democrats is at present and he just got his divorce through by the way. David Perdue is forty three to forty one against Jon Ossoff. Shane Hazel Libertarian. Has Seven percent of the vote? Eight percent are undecided. Biden's at forty-seven percent trump is at forty six percent. Now here's the thing. There are a couple of weeks. Keep in mind obviously. The governor seem wanted this poll out there to combat the one pushed by the speaker of the House that use text messaging which is not an accurate survey form but the speaker of the House wanted to do damage to the governor and Kelly really had more to do with Leffler than the governor. Remember that in the speakers pulling Kelly Leifer. The current senator from Georgia was B- Behind Doug College. She was single. Digits and Collins was was crushing the field that which didn't really strike anybody is right because there have been a lot of private polling done and I was told that there was a private poll. Done by the governor's team that actually show that in. I don't think this is it because this is new but they clearly wanted to pull out that showed that the the garbage poll from the State House. Republicans designed to hurt Kelly for and the and the governor was wrong. Now why would David Ralston? WanNa hurt his old governor. After all he stood there at the press conference with the governor said. It was time to reopen. Will you gotTa Remember? There are big fights to come Democrats in the House of Representatives in Georgia are trying to get a hate crimes bill through because of the Almond Arbor situation now. I am opposed to hate crimes legislation. Because it's the thought crime when you kill someone the odds are you hate that person to begin with so why tack on a hate crime to it? A hate crime just adds one more way for prosecutors to go after you and what they're going after you for your thoughts and we should not criminalise thoughts however badger thoughts are thought should not be criminalized. A hate crime is a thought crime and we should not be criminalizing people's bad thoughts. We should criminalize what they actually do. And we can let a jury take into account with sentencing If someone is doing something because of what their motives are but adding to thought crime to it I. I just think it's wrong and I've got friends of mine who've come around on the idea of hate crimes. I'm I'm unpersuaded. I think it's a thought crime and I do think that under our constitutional system we should be criminalized. Thought but the speaker of the House needs to stay in power with the Democrats. He's got to have Democrats supporting to stay in power so the speaker wants hate crimes legislation. So he's trying to build momentum for that and for other things he also you will recall. Doesn't want teachers a pay raise so the speaker needs to to show. He's got more clout than the governor on that and he also wants to get through a bunch of other stuff in addition to taking out some of the anti-corruption candidates in the State Philip Singleton And put in some more of his apologist the state legislature so. He's got to show that he's got more power in the state right now and to do that. He's got a release a pole and so he did and the media of course ran with. It never paid attention to the methodology which terrible text messaging as a poll seriously online polling and text messaging combined for bowl embarrassing but the media ran with it exactly as they expected now. The governor had released his poll to show. He's doing well but one of the interesting things here and I am led to believe I have not seen it. Sometimes I get these things. Sometimes I don't. This is one of the Times I was not shown this I am led to believe there is actually other pulling out there. That shows very similar to this. That a slight majority of Georgians are okay. With the governor reopening the state slowly a large majority of Georgians aren't going to go out and about and Doug Collins is doing well but not as well as as some polls would have him do Doug Collins and I'll get into more of the colony level rate in the next hour but collins continued pickup support. I'm not sure at this point what the campaign is what the campaign plea is for for Leffler The Governor I maintain all along all supporter because governor picked her. I don't know her I do know Doug Calls Liking tremendously. And He'd be great but I just I give the governor the benefit of the doubt on this but it looks like a lot of people aren't where they are giving him the better benefit out on is reopening to a degree. But it's very interesting when you delve into the polling. The governor of Georgia is being punished by some Republicans because they are resentful that he ever closed up shop to begin with and he's being punished by a large number of Democrats who were upset. He opened at all. It is a no win situation for the governor and if anything I think give him some credit for trying to reopen at a time when a lot of people have been telling no and he looked at the data he talked his advisors and they said Yeah give it a try and he is in. The sport seems to be working now. That gets me to Dr Cheese testimony. Yesterday in Congress he had a big interaction with rampal. Rampal made a very good point. I I don't want to go to the audio ripple because it was about seven minutes long and this is my show rampal and get his own show. I say just a look. I like rampal tremendously. And he made a great point and I think I disagreed with him to some degree in that. There are big question now. What all the doctor felt she get wrong and I wanted to defend voucher and I realize I'm going against many of you as well. Who are blowing up. `Boudzhi he was only as wrong as the data was an only as right is that it wasn't as the data shifted. He shifted and I. I think that's what he is. An epidemiologist needs to as a doctor he needs to do. He specializes in communicable infectious diseases. He's been advising president since Ronald Reagan. He is not a partisan but his job is hello. This is what's happening. What is part of my frustration with the attacks? Dr Fao g. President Trump is listening to DR vouching. He's listening to Dr Voucher over his economic team to the extend the doctor voucher is asked to advise the president he's asked to advise the President on epidemiology and so he's giving the president his answers on epidemiology. If the president wants to go about opening the economy he needs to talk to economists not Dr Franchi and then consult with doctors vouchers says. Okay doctor I understand. You don't want us to do this but if we were to do it what should we do? That's the way the game has been played in. He's being made to be the bad guy by a bunch of people who never thought we should have sheltered place to begin with. Let me play some of his testimony from from yesterday. Question witnesses today and swan at my constituents often asked me now. I got applause here because that is Kelly Leffler if it sounds echoey it is because that is the nature of the call was done by livestream with Dr Pouch. You do need to know that. But this is Senator. Leffler asking him a question. The mainstream media. He's from my colleagues in. The Senate seems to want to pay each of your relationships with other President during this wartime confrontational lacking consensus. Can you say here American today whether this is true or untrue? Remember your testimony. Today I've seen a very coordinated effort to address that is with the administration to combat pandemic. Can you even have a sense of whether this characterization is whether it's true or untrue? Thank you as I know. There is certainly not a confrontational relationship between me and the president. As I mentioned many times I give advice and opinion based on evidence based scientific information. Here's that respects it. He gets opinions from a variety of other people but in no way in my experience over the last several months as there have been any confrontational relationship between us. Thank you feel Dr Again. I put echo with Dr Fat. You said they were there to give our best public health device. And that's what we do and grounded in data and science and I've always felt free to give the best public health advice that I think needs to be given the time and it's always been done in a very emotional Senator Leffler. This is Steve on I do not have a confrontational relationship have not had a confrontational relationship with the president. Es S questions. I have given him. My honest answer is rooted in Dayton Science. Aman he's listened respectfully to those incorporating that into his decision making and breath issue. I have nothing else but to echo of my colleagues. We work very closely together. On all the scientists all physicians of course embassador burks Other scientists within our group We have a very productive working relationship with each other and also with the president and Vice President would not be confrontational and I certainly feel that we have the ability to honestly state on our opinions recommendation and that been that way since the beginning first of all. I can't help but note that Kelly left. Moore's voice there's kind of like the dystopia and robot voice shoot ridden insight by movies final question. I'm sorry I know it's not her fault but I've just listening like where am I heard this before total recall I think but you know. I'm glad she asked the question. Got It on the table in this gets to the point where Iran polls right. Dr Vouchers should not be the final authority. On reopening the government of the United States in the businesses of the United States in the economy of the United States. He should not be the final authority into the extent. He is because the president is letting him be all his job is to do is to answer the questions as an expert. Answer those questions and what this shows it and you know this is something that the Democrats ignoring about the president that the president continues to let Dr Vouch lead on this suggests they actually are leading falcone and the experts do their work. You know we. We've heard so long that the experts are being ignored by this White House etc etc etc. The reason there's so much anger at Dr Doughty is because the president is letting him be. He's letting him work. He's listening to him. That's completely different. From what you hear in the media and I guess to some extent the Republicans get it in there trying to signal that Mr President. You don't need to listen to this guy anymore. We need to reopen the but the president has taken it. Slow here yes. He wants the economy to reopen. But he also knows that if the virus rebounds he's GonNa lose a November so he's letting vouch you do his work and four foul. She's caught in the middle. I do not think he's a bad guy and and I really do think that you've got to recognize that. The man is doing what he was trained to do. And he's an expert in that regard. How is it already the end of the first hour by the way my wreck parts just showed up excellent coming? I? I'm impressed How how is this the end of the first hour? Apparently it is one more clip from Dr Pouch. She please all we fearful that. If we don't get out act together as bad as the situation is now it could become worse in the fall or winter. A Senator. Thank you for that. Question is a frequently asked question and I think the possibility does exist however you and the reason I say that. Is that when you talk about? Will this virus just disappear and as I've said publicly many times? That is just not going to happen. Because it's such a highly transmissible virus and even if we get better control over the months it is likely that they will be virus somewhere in this on this planet. That will eventually get back to us. So my my approach towards the possibility of a rebound at second wave of the fall is that a is entirely conceivable impossible. That would happen but D. I would hope that between now and then given the capability of doing the testing that you've heard from your Wa and the ability of us to stock up on personal protective equipment and the workforce that the CDC under Dr Redfield putting forth to be able to identify isolating contact trace. I hope that if we do have the threat of a second wave we will be able to deal with it very effectively to prevent it from becoming an outbreak. Only worse than now but much much less the. That's the thing the data the data suggests that by August or September we will have More information more resources and we will have more opportunity to combat the piracy if it rebounds in by the way there continues in Europe is more and more cities come out. There continued to be signs that show. That kids aren't getting the virus. There are some kids who are getting something like how sake syndrome Which can be fought is a very serious condition but overwhelmingly are fine and don't transmit it to adults. This is a disease that is is more dangerous. The older you get or the more unhealthy get you know by the way as as someone who is now having to watch what I eat exercise and try to lose weight Which sucks but I got to I'm amazed that there has been more coming out from people demanding that people lose weight. I realize we're in this. We're in this day and age were fat shaming and body shaming is. A bad thing who is over weight needs to lose weight and has been going to the gym man. I'm so radio back to the JIM next week. It's something that's got to be done in the date on. This virus shows that The heavier you are the worst health you are the worst you do with the virus. The greatest thing that any of us could do to help fight. This virus is to get in shape lose weight and getting shape and no one wants to raise that. And I'm wondering why exactly and aren't we focusing more on our nursing homes and elder care facilities you had the governor of New York demanding that positive Patients be sent to nursing homes. Y exactly. Were they doing that. Why did that happen? That get release us here that need to be dealt with and and all the how much a political correctness is impeding our ability to do that. I think it's got to be raised but I also think what has to be raised is that there are ways to begin reopening the the economy. Brian Kemp is largely shown the way in Georgia. He's actually showing stay at home unless you need to go out and if you WANNA go out take precautions. Wash your hands. Where facemask socially distance from other people? If you're in a group of people keep it a small group of people. There are ways to go about doing this and it looks like it's working now we're probably going to see rates and Georgia Golo. We probably are navy world. I hope we won't but we very well may as people start to lower their guard but we also have summer summer ever comes. I'm beginning to wonder if summers actually ever GONNA come. But I think it is and I think we're GONNA be able to move on now when we come back we need to get into actual George Ball. Gino there's more to life than the virus and I feel like I'm trying more and more to bring in other stuff for a while there. It seemed like it was the only thing we could talk about. Is the only thing we that was a topic but now. I definitely think it's time to move on. There is a campaign on. There is a presidential campaign on there also to Senate races in Georgia. And there's an attack out on David. Purdue we need to get to when we come back and also more in the polling on the Collins and Leffler situation and Doug Collins continuing to pick up steam around the around the state right now why hello there. It is here a curious in here. The Eric your essential. Believe it or not the phone number. If you want to call in eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four two five mark laudner from the trump. Campaign's GonNa join me at the bottom of the hour as we look at the joke man. Poor Joe Biden. I feel bad for the Guy I do. He's a nice guy but his campaign just still strikes me as older abuse. There is polling. I just by the way I I got a text message from a reporter in in Washington. Dc WHO said Latest polling shows the president and Joe Biden tied in Georgia Do you still think it's not going to be close in Georgia and I replied back during the break and I said No. It's not I don't know why this happens in Georgia but in two thousand eighteen Stacey Abrams led the Republicans were still battling it out For their primary in twenty sixteen at this time Hillary Clinton was ahead of Donald Trump in twenty fourteen. Michelle Nunn and adjacent corridor. Were ahead of David. Purdue Nathan Deal in twenty twelve Barack Obama and Mitt Romney were tied. I don't know why that happens. my guess. Is that the pollsters at this time of year. They're doing a more broad registered voter poll. They're not doing a likely voter. Poland and the pool of likely voters in Georgia's fundamentally different. I mean asked the Abrahams camp the Abrahams camp registered. Nine hundred eighty thousand people to vote in twenty eighteen. It was really impressive and it made Republicans a lot of nervous less than one hundred thousand of those newly registered voters actually turned out and voted in two thousand eighteen I if you they say in finance for example you all you hear this you turn on. Cnbc you're going to see an ad for a stocker or a mutual fund. In at the end there's APEC performances. New Indication of future value slowdowns past performance is no indication of future value or future performance. They just say it real fast at Forbes who indication if he's performance. You're like what what what did they say. Well you know in the stock market. That's true your your past. Performance is no indication of future performance or past past performance is no indication of future value but in politics it's everything there is a thing called inertia. Do you remember Noushin from from Middle School and High School Physics? Maybe College Super Nerdy objects in motion tend to stay in motion and objects at rest and to stay at rest unless a force is applied. Inertia is in human nature as much as it is in in in physics. You know e win if you throw a ball. Let let's go to outerspace. Let's go to outer space showy. Not that we could breathe in outer space but if you were able to throw a ball in outer space the ball would continue to go forward. Why because there's no wind resistance outer space to slow it down. An object in motion continues in motion until forces applied to stop it. You go to the Moon in India. Remember the if you ever saw one of the videos of them hitting a golf ball on the moon the golf ball just flies off the moon will it comes back eventually very far away because of gravity that that is the the force that is applied to bring the golf ball back but they're so little gravity on the moon that the can go far away. You get good batter up. There hit a good baseball. You may be able to send it into orbit around the moon and the same thing with a boulder a boulder on the side of a mountain that boulder is going to stay there until there is a force an earthquake or something That causes the mountain to shake in the boulder begins to roll and the boulder will begin to roll downhill in an object at rest will canoe stay in rest until forces apply the forces applied in the object in Motion Canoes Day in motion until forces applied friction of rubbing against the ground gravity pulling the ground. Even in out. It's it's going to slow down now. I realize none of you were here for morning morningside. But Hey your kids have been home schooled and I just helped you out but the reality is it works in politics as well. A registered voter. Who has never voted is more likely than not to never vote a voter. Who always votes more likely than not to always vote unless something happens so you can go out and you can register every freaking American. I mean you can go out and register toddlers to vote you can register the dead to vote. You well. The dead have votes. He probably don't WanNa do that But everyone else you go out. Registered in the odds are if they don't normally vote they're not gonNa vote if they do normally vote they will vote but someone who is a grown person who is in their forties who has never voted in their life. The odds of getting them to go vote for you are pretty slim to none. It's political inertia and I suspect what happened in the polls is they go out and they find registered voters and you know. Thanks to Stacey Abrams. Everybody's registered to vote Georgia. Is this. Yeah you're a registered voter? Who are you gonNA vote for? Well I'm GonNa vote for the Democrat. Well turns out? That person's actually voted in their life. You know so there's a. There's a great if you're running for office. I highly recommend this is not an ad that it's actually a friend of mine. And my Buddy Drew Ryan longtime for divine. He's got a he's got a program called campaign sidekick. If you're if you're running for office of your should run for office you should totally Google campaign sidekick what what is what is their website is actually really cool technology campaign sidekick dot vote campaign sidekick dot vote every even heroes need side kicks. It says So what is what is campaign psyche? It's actually really cool tech. It's a software APP. You can get it on your phone and you can load this thing. You Run for office it again. Remember voters who vote tend always voters who don't vote to never vote. She pulled this APP on your phone. You're running for office. You rented a city council. And so you you you you pay campaign psychic for its data and it shows you everyone in your district for City Council or four county commissioner or for Countywide or for your State House or State Senator Congressional race. Whatever I believe Collins Leffler both using camping psychic I think I asked drew but I heard from the campaigns they both campaigns asked me about it and I love the program. So you can pull up the data of every voter in the area where you're running for office and see who actually votes and you can see if they vote in primaries. Which primaries do they voted? Do they vote in Republican primaries or Democratic primaries? Because you know if you're going to knock on doors or you're doing mail pieces or you're doing robocalls or you're doing phone banks for. There's really no reason for you if you're a Republican running for office. There's no reason for you to call someone who always votes Democratic primaries. Because you know the odds are they're going to vote in the Democratic primary not the Republican primary and they're probably a democrat. Who's going to vote against you? The general so there's no reason to get that person involved in the election in fact you don't want that person to be touched at all by anybody keep them on the sidelines. But you can do this. It's actually so cool. I used to do this so when I was a campaign. Why was a lawyer for years? It man I I. I Love Practicing Law But I hate to this thing called a client and they were indispensable to the practice of law in because I detested them so much to get out of practice. 'cause you you can't practice law without having to deal with these things called clients because they all have problems and they all know the solution and all they want is your affirmation as a lawyer that their solution is right when it's not it's kind of like dealing with with some callers on. Talk Radio. I can hang up on those. You can't you can't as a lawyer with the guy. But I digress. So what you do. Is You activate these people you get them. You get them out there. When I was a lawyer what I would do is I would go to the local boards of elections and I would actually do a i. I still to this day sometimes. Do It in racist because I want to just to do this. I like to keep my skills sharp in this regard iota the board of elections. And you every you know this everybody has a precinct you voted precinct. So what you can do with your board of elections is you can go find how many people are actually registered to vote in this precinct. See there are ten thousand people in your precinct to a registered to vote now go find a similarly situated race now. What does this similar situated rates? Well there's a thing called ballot drop-off bow draw view. You are all guilty of ballot draw. Most why shouldn't say all of you? A lot of you are guilty about drop off you. Go vote on election day. You vote for President or governor. You vote for your senator. You vote for your Congressman Guy. You vote for the new start densely. Who the heck is this? What what I vote for. Coroner what who? What is this person? What is this job and you just you give up? I'm done voted for all the position. I don't even with this position is oh my gosh. I got a vote for constitutional. Nobody told me this. I don't know what to amend the Constitution. I'm not gonNA vote for the drop off so you get down to state rep for example in and you start the ballot. You Got Ten thousand people in your registered district and eight thousand of those people actually turn out to vote and they voted for president. Well by the time you get down to the State House races. Six thousand people over two thousand people have given up so four thousand people who registered vote. Haven't even voted in this race. So what you do is you go find your similarly situated racist run into to the State House on average the last couple of times. We've had this race here. Six thousand people voted. Okay so if the if if they're the high end is six thousand people have voted in this race. I need six thousand plus one to win this race. So then you you. You do that math you know in this precinct. I need six thousand one people to vote for me because that's the highest. It's ever turned out for this race because the ballot drop off and people who registered you. Don't actually show up. That's the number I need. So then you go to campaign sidekick and you say all right in this precinct show me all of the people who voters and it shows you all the people who were voters says okay. Now Show me all the. Republicans shows you all the Republicans. Well wait. What is what did you say it. They're only five thousand Republicans. Okay show me all of the people who don't vote in primaries but vote in the general election those people. You can't tell whether the Republican Democrat. They're independent voters and they'll suddenly you've got an extra two thousand people all right so there are seven thousand people. I need to go knock on all these doors or I need to send the mail or I need to find her full numbers that I needed a robocall and you can do that with this APP campaign sidekick. It's what a lot of campaigns around the country are doing you. Can you can find the voters that you need to get them to the polls. This is the way. Campaigns are run. You find out how many people per precinct you need and then you begin to make a plan to get those people in those precincts to come. Do come work for you and you need a campaign psychic and again this is not an ad. This is actually really cool technology that you could use and I go through all of this dissertation to tell you that the polling in Georgia right now shows that the Democrats would win the State Joe Biden would win the state If the election were held today the problem is the pollsters. Don't use a campaign sidekick the pollsters just use the registered voter list for the state. And they don't go precinct by precinct. So pollsters may oversample say the Metro Atlanta area. Or they they may oversample. They may oversample. Dalton Georgia may more people in Dalton Georgia on this and and so it skews the poll but what also skews. The poll is that they're they're looking at a registered voters not people who are actually going to go vote when you get into likely voter polling. The numbers adjust dramatically in. It's it's so consistent Georgia again in two thousand twelve Mitt Romney and Brock Obama at this time of year were tied in two thousand fourteen. Michelle Nunn and Jason Carter. Were beating David Purdue and Nathan deal in two thousand sixteen. Hillary Clinton was ahead of DONALD TRUMP. Right now in Georgia in two thousand eighteen stacey. Abrams was ahead of the Republicans in Georgia and in two thousand twenty surprised Joe Biden his head. Georgia has a lot of different in. This is this is why the Democrats salivate over Georgia. This is why. They're so much media. Buzz about Georgia turning blue because Georgia has a lot of registered voters who Lean Democrat. But they don't actually vote and Stacey Abrams herself could not get these people to go vote and if Abrahams can't get these people go vote. There's no way that Joe Biden is getting these people to go vote. And if Joe Biden getting these people to go vote when you see the polls that show the Joe Biden is ahead of Donald trump right now. You gotta remember that consistently the national polling tins to forget the lesson in Georgia which you need to do in Georgia honestly if you WANNA get a more accurate poll is you need to actually get out the list of registered voters. You need to get the list of people who actually voted in the last election and pull those people and do a good spread in the state you do. WanNa concentrate in the Metro Atlanta area because that is where the bulk of the population in the state resides. There's a way to do better polling in Georgia. The problem is that is really expensive to do so. The national media doesn't do it so instead they continue to put out these polls that show. For example Joe Biden is ahead of Donald Trump. It gets sensational national headlines. And they don't pay attention to the fact that historically that always happens in. Georgia historically the polls in May June July August even delivered a never actually bear out in November because the Republicans in the state of Georgia tend to vote and the Democrats don't and the Republicans have good technology. They use like campaign psychic for example Where they can go drag people to the polls they can find out who's voting. They can target them they can get them to the polls they can find out what them they could even find out what your big issue is. Oh you subscribe to field and stream. You're in our member you buy guns regularly I bet you're a second amendment voter. Let me target you that way. The Democrats in Georgia just haven't taken the time to do that. Why because they spent so many years thinking well everybody's a democratic state and the Democrats always win. They never invested in that infrastructure the way the Republicans have had to do to take the state and thus far they don't have the money now to invest in it and do it in. Stacey tried but she did a big voter registration drive. Hey we got so many people in the state who should be Democrat. Let me go register them to vote. She got nine hundred. Eighty thousand of them to vote and none of them showed up to vote. Why because political inertia people who've never voted won't vote at the bottom of the hour. Mark Laudner from the trump campaign is gonNA join me. He had been with Vice President's office. He's now been reassigned re tasked to the campaign. Well Joe Biden is out there saying also I just listen I Joe Biden is a nice guy you can disagree with him on and just acknowledged that that e- civilly speaking Joe and Jill Biden. Very nice people Jill Biden spent a lot of time when she was the second lady of the United States working with wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan. And she never one of the spotlight for in fact. She refused the spotlight Ford. She never got the credit really that she deserved for that The stories from men and women who served overseas and the kindness. Show them by. The Biden's are things that will be written about one day but not now. The Biden specifically have not wanted to do that. Because they haven't wanted to be seen as politicizing it. They're very nice people. I disagree with him on. Everything and Biden is just. He's getting old. Unlike really all the you know the Donald Trump of today is the Donald Trump two thousand sixteen. The Joe Biden of today is not the Joe Biden of Twenty Sixteen. Construction continues through the pandemic and hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts will continue into twenty twenty one for new sections. So if you become president what happens to that whole project. All be under reconsideration. I'm GonNa from day one We're GONNA have a fundamental gonNA send to the United States Congress. A A an immigration plan to provide a pathway for legalization for eleven million undocumented. People we are going to put ourselves in the position where DACA recipients are made safe again still well-constructed time for today. Well I didn't say I don't know exactly where it is. What phase but we're not going to be spending a lot of money in the wall but that's you were going to give illegal aliens and pathways to citizenship. We're not going to spend money on the wall. That's our time for the day while I I I. It's just this is weird. This is where it so you know. The Biden campaign is decided that they're trying to do an FDR style campaign. Which for most of us were not alive when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was president of the United States but he essentially avoided campaigning around the country in in campaign on his front porch. Which is what used to happen. a century ago in the United States is is the candidates would campaign from their front porches in the press would come to them and now because the pandemic Biden can't go out on the campaign trail and he doesn't want to go out on the campaign trail and he's I don't think he wants that level of exposure. He's been very very guarded in his level of exposure and he's got an American press corps that is so desperate for him to become president of the United States. They're covering for him on all the stuff I I I do think trying to be careful how I say this. I really do think that the media continues to discredit itself in the eyes of the American public but more so I think that the American public begins to tune out the media and though I say that I suddenly become mindful of look for example at some of the damage done nationwide to the reputations of people like Brian By a media that claim they were going to blood on their hands. There are still a bunch of Democrats WHO LISTEN TO THE MEDIAN. And there are a bunch of independent to listen to the media but increasingly. I don't know that US GONNA last. And and the Biden campaign may be the complete undoing of the American media as they do their best to cover for him and not actually hold him accountable. Not Actually Hold him to his words. Look how quickly. They've moved beyond the terror read situation. You've even got Chuck Schumer coming out now and saying it's time to von on. We believe Joe. Don't believe her Biden's out there saying believe all women just not this woman. The standards the media itself has said or coming undone. I think most people are starting to realize that even on the left is Eric. Erickson here across the entire state of Georgia. Now picking up more stations. It's fantastic to cover the entire state of Georgia the phone number. If you want to be part of the program. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five joining me by phone is the director of strategic communications for the president's reelection campaign. Mark lodder welcome. How are you sir? I'm doing well. Eric how are you? I'm great so before you came on in my last segment I was shocked about the Joe Biden campaign and I tell you market. It continues to strike me as almost elder abuse. I half the time. I wonder if he understands. What's actually going on? But you have to wonder and not only just beyond this. This is so anti-american. I was thinking about this earlier. I mean this is a country of people that that came to the open seas came to the new world explored. The West developed flight. Went to the moon hiding and cowering in your basement is not a an American way of. I want to be your leader. Yeah it's not and I mean I understand given the situation they obviously don't want him on the campaign trail given what's going on in the country right now with the virus but it's just it's so weird in e to see him so guarded. I mean the the president for example does have a press conference at the White House and takes questions from all sides many of the reporters his guts. Raskin questions and Biden is is curator. Who get him. D- Ask questions and then never even seems to understand. The questions are asked no. It's definitely an and look I. You know I get it. It worked for them in the primaries because the more he talked the worst he did and and as I've said before look I mean. The one thing we know is that the Democrat Party didn't settle on. Joe Biden came of it. They settled before. Joe Biden is a candidate. They realize he's a horrible candidate. There was a reason why they left him for politically dead a couple of months ago. It's because he's bad on the campaign trail bad in interviews and bad it fundraising and so all of these things. None of them have changed. The only difference is well. He's not Bernie Sanders and he was last one standing right and now they're stuck with it so they're stuck with the guy and I think they're big issue is obviously going to be the president's handling of the virus and I'm beginning to wonder some of the Democrats and they're mixed messages on the economy I almost get the sense of of them. Want people to continue shelter in place just to make sure the economy can't rebound before November. I would I would honestly hope that wouldn't be the case but I wouldn't put that. I wouldn't put it past them. And then when you take a look at it I mean he announced a bunch of policy teams today in coordination with Socialist Bernie Sanders being led by A. Oh see I mean. It's clear that he is going to go to the socialist wing of the party for his policies which encourage people to not do anything and just live off the government because then you they have control yes very much so So let me let me ask you about that. We've I haven't played the audio yet. I've got a queued up but Biden wants to put Alexandru Cortes the woman who wants us all to become Vegan In charge of the green new deal for an economy. That's already been ruined by a virus when everything shows that we would be spending more on the green new deal than we would on the virus. Yeah it really I mean. And that is really a very telling a telling sign that they would rather focus and use this as an excuse to get their radical green new deal policies which will drive up energy costs drive people out of work me would eliminate millions of jobs and they don't seem to have a problem with that as long as it's the jobs that they like and and I think one of the reasons why we go through this and I've seen it just recently some polling. We did inside. The campaign is at the more and more people see about Joe Biden soft policies on China. The fact he won't defend American jobs against China has really started to move the needle. The president gained nine points in just the last couple of weeks. I WANNA I wanna ask you about that But before I do on the screen you deal issue. How much of it do you think is a signal that there is some fundamental weakness on to Joe? Biden's left that he's got to bring in people like UC and Bernie Sanders. Who every poll. I've ever seen his show independent voters. sit on the sidelines. Don't like these people and yet Biden feels compelled to bring them in and I just wondered if there's some underlying weaknesses there with the Democratic base in Biden. Though you're absolutely right Eric and you see that in the in the end the enthusiasm numbers. There is such an enthusiasm gap in a Democrat Party for Joe Biden. A weak candidate. And so. That's why you see most candidates regardless of party. When they win their nomination they moved to the middle to start to go for the general election. Joe Biden is so weak. He's still trying to run to the radical left because he doesn't have that side of his party sewn up and while he does that he loses the middle even more to president trump looking that way now to the Chinese issue e Biton does have a very weak record on China and the Democrats have been taken a very hard lying in public. But I don't really see any movement from any of the Democrats as aggressively as the president of the Republicans when it comes to have to deal with what's happening with China know and this is where they're really misreading the situation you know not only in terms of the long term economic problems that China has posed that the president has been right on and Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of but now you have a very public and very easily understood Problem that is China's fault which is corona virus. You don't have to spend a lot of time convincing the American people that China is where this corona virus started. They hid the information from the world and once again while the president stands strong on China. You've got Joe Biden. Whose SON is getting paid by China. Who's got a history of being weak on China continuing to be weak on China? And that's why not only have we seen a recent surge in the president in terms of our internal polling but when people have seen our ads a lot of people are seeing our ads almost thirty percent of people who see about about Joe Biden China. Say They are less likely to vote for Joe by that number in politics? You know you've got the media that has obsessed over the idea that Russia's stole the election for President Trump in two thousand sixteen it just continuing to turn a blind eye on the China situation. I I almost sometimes get the impression that the media would be totally fine if the election were stolen if China did it as opposed to Russia. I don't think they really care who steals it. As long as a Democrat or walk I mean just the the the willingness of the Miami for example the Chinese and members of the media CNN MSNBC the It was called the virus and then the president calls it the virus and suddenly. It's racist the moment the president says exactly what the people on CNN MSNBC. We're saying and now they don't even want to engage on the issue of for example a Joe Biden's kid making money out of China. Now I mean the the hypocrisy is is if nothing new we have seen it time and time again but it is on full display right now you can see it. When it revolves the China virus you can see it. Involves terror read allegations? I mean time and time again when you even have the New York Times editorial page running love letters and campaign advice to Joe Biden. Right fair point now. Let me let me transition to the Mike Flynn situation. 'cause I I gotTa tell you I'm I'm torn on the situation but it just seems like the more we learn about the FBI and institution. I have always just just held up as a good institution. There were James. Me May probably be one of the worst political actors in modern American history and has not gotten enough do in the media for all the screw ups that he and the FBI made along the way well. And I think your point is correct and I I I would agree with you and I would also say that the esteem and respect for the FBI needs to continue because of the hard work of the men and women of the FBI. What we are talking about is by a handful of bad actors at the absolute highest levels of the Obama administration including Co Komi in coup including folks at the at the Department of Justice But that should not overshadow the great. That's being done by the rank and file. But here's what we've got. I mean we literally have the proof the smoking gun so to speak. You know you've got Obama talking about no who about knowing about the calls between Mike Flynn the incoming national security advisor and the Russian Ambassador. You have them targeting. The police powers of the federal government on a political opponent on their campaign and the entire time knowing that there is absolutely nothing to the collusion stories. No evidence and lying about it in the media but not lying about it under oath. Well you know. And we've also seen I guess in in some of the leaks that have come out now recently that you had a lot of people who are going on. Msnbc AND CNN saying that they had had proof of all this hanky-panky going on behind the scenes and then under oath saying oh no we. We didn't actually. There's just stuff we were saying on TV which begs the question of how much more stuff or we hear it on TV. That is true. Well you have to ask yourself and look. I used to be a journalist. I that's where I spent the majority of the first part of my career out of college before I got into public service in politics. And we we know you gotTA stop right there so sue. A public service in politics is penance for having been a journalist is that right apparently but what I what I would say. Is that if you are at the highest levels of MSNBC AND CNN The Washington Post and the New York Times you have to ask yourself and you should be doing a very hard self Self introspection in terms of you got played by Komi. You got played by McCabe. You got played by Adam. Schiff you got played up more lied to your viewers to your readers. Yeah they really did and it just it. I in my first hour on the show. This morning was talking about so much of the information from the media. That's even on. The virus has just been wrong in some of. It's been wrong because the data was wrong but so much of it for example in the last two weeks the blood on Brian Kim's hands in Georgia that he was going to have and it turns out. The virus hasn't rebounded a they do seem the media overall seem way more interested in getting. Joe Biden elected president than actually telling the American people. What's actually news? And that's where I think. The long term damage is being done and and I think that's where the media has got to look at itself and realize. Are we going to go back to our true? Beliefs are true mission which is providing the facts of the American people. And letting them decide or we're going to put our partisan spin on it and and here's again going back to the virus. A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES and the media and and others is that we trust the American people. The president trusts the American people to get the information and make the best decision for themselves in terms of protecting themselves getting back to work and and and taking personal responsibility where the the government the Liberals and the media would rather you cower in your basement with Joe Biden and hide until we tell you it is safe for you to come out okay mark and I you just joining. I'm talking to mark laudner with the President's campaign marquee this show now stretches from one into Georgia to the other from nine to noon. Live almost everywhere. And what do you want the people Georgia to know about the campaign That it's going absolutely very well. It's a long. We still got six months ago and every single person listening to this program is part of it and what I would love you to do is go to army for trump dot com sign up. Let us know that you're out there that you want to help reelect the president or download our new APP trump twenty twenty. It's available on iphone or android sign up. Be a part of the army. That's going to cut through this liberal mainstream media nonsense and allow you to go talk to your friends. Your neighbors people at Church people at work. Because that's how we get this. That's we get this president reelected. It's not because of an ad that I can create or any interview that I can do. It's because of all of you out there you know I. I said that was the last question but I gotta Say I'm glad you guys are doing the APP and you know eight. I remember in twenty two thousand eight into two thousand twelve the fawning media profiles of the OBAMAS team use of technology I suspect we're not gonna see that here just as we saw facebook was the hero in two thousand twelve and suddenly because you guys dominated in two thousand sixteen mark Zuckerberg's of villain Just again media hypocrisy. But I'm glad you guys are using an APP. Oh absolutely and it's funny. I mean every night of the week. We're doing online programming about eight o'clock at night. That's reaching a million a minimum of a million people at night some nights. It's two and a half million people which actually gives us a larger audience than all of the programming on. Cnn that's NBC. And meanwhile I mean Joe Biden is sitting there hiding in his basement with a rotary telephone. You know trying to figure out how to make his record. Player work That's the difference between these two campaigns. And it's really on display right. Apps versus Messenger pigeons carrier all right mark. Thank you very much for stopping by appreciate. It could talk to you eric. Mark Laudner from the President's campaign. We'll be back with your phone calls here in a minute. You can call in if you one. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five all right. Now that I got my Mrs Griffin's Barbecue Sauce and I've got my ric tic. I will start sending up more recipes. I look I promise. I'm behind actually scheduled a bunch and then forgot to actually schedule them right and so. I've already got some programmed in if you want to start getting my recipes. I will make it a more regular thing. Text the word recipe. Two three three seven seven seven. I will send you recipes. I promise I really will now. I want to go to the phones of Royston this calling Joseph Welcome. Yeah hello there Thanks for taking my call. Sure I was just GonNa say that I think Joe Biden doing the right in terms of his campaign the time despite what governor kept may say and that was not a time to be doing things that directly you know. I want to be at conferences. That would be counterproductive. I agree with you on that. I don't think he needs to be doing i. I wish he would do better than the video interview things he's done. He's had all sorts of technical problems. Well he could do more expansive video interviews with people and be less guarded and WHO. He's picking His campaign behind the scenes they have it led him do a lot of interviews. I think he needs to do more With more journalists because right now I think particularly if you're an independent voter there's a lot of the pulling out. There suggests they think that Joe Biden is trying to avoid the tough questions on the tour read situation and so I think he needs to do more do more. Cnn that He. I'm not saying do Fox But do more he did. He did Stephanopoulos. He did make a ski on. Msnbc DO MORE CNN do Jake Tapper Wolf Blitzer and get more stable Internet connection Joe. But you're right Joseph that he can't do either can the president they can't do these campaign style events and That was my my one bigger disagreement with lotter in what he said that you just can't right now. Children Place. Neither party can barnstorm across the nation. Right now as they want to he can do more stuff. Biden can also do events where people are prescreened and socially distance But you know he did that online event the other day in like hundred people showed up and then it wound up cutting out. The president's been doing these. You Heard Lotteries Day. They're doing these these eight. Pm events with the trump campaign. They're getting two million. People Biden is struggling to get two hundred people now. Interestingly enough bill sheer who's a left wing writer has this opinion column now at at Politico magazine. It's interesting. He's a contributing editor. He's a he's a politics he's a left wing guy in the headlines. Why does it matter that? Trump IS BEATING BIDEN. Online Biden got the nomination because he won the argument and better gadgetry didn't save the candidates who lost it. That's not really true. He didn't really win the argument. If Donald Trump's digital media operation is as his campaign manager bread car sparse described this week a death star the consensus seems to be the Joe Biden's digital presence. More closely resembles Jar Jar. Trump is eighty million twitter. Followers Biden his five million trump's facebook pages twenty seven point five million likes Biden's less than two million from mid March to mid April Karl Rove neutering his Wall Street Journal column. Mr Trump has seven times social media. Interaction six hundred. Twenty million to Mr Bean's eighty seven million. Here's the thing. None of this really matters. And Bill Cheers right on that point the real world and the online world or different things but the ability to take for example. Can we talk about planned? Democ th this is a perfect segue into plan DEMOC- Plan make was that video that so many of you. Sit Me asking my thoughts on it. That circulated for only forty eight hours on facebook and Youtube before they took it down. Because it's full of crap It is a bunch of lies it is mostly features. A woman who was arrested for stealing research out of her office Been thoroughly discredited by. The scientific community repeatedly. She hates Dr Vouch because he's one of the people who discredit her. But it tells you everything you wanted to hear and it looks like it was done professionally so it must be true. I say again if the idiot on the history channel who says the aliens are to blame for everything was filmed in four K. And Look cinemagraphic intimate. The cinematography was as good is in this video. People would really believe him but it was all it was. It's an budget sense it's a bunch of Hooey but look how quick it passed around online before it was taken down. And that's the thing that the sheer and these other guys miss nowadays the ability to circulate. Memes and information and disinformation and responses online is rapid and I had family members sending me that plan. I didn't even know where they got it from. People were sending them links. Did you see this? And it circulated by word of mouth got all sorts of millions of of views and the Biden campaign is Missy Hill that the trump campaign has the ability through their online platform through their APP. And everything else to be able to connect you. I haven't downloaded the trump campaign. I'm tempted to but I bet one of the things it does. It's going to ask you for your contacts and I would give it to him. And here's why what the campaign is able to do is what? Obama did in twenty twelve with their APP. It gets onto your phone and ask you for your context. And then as your contacts begin to interact with the campaign the campaign can reach out to them and say hey you know. Erikson he's interacting with the campaign as well. Maybe can organize your local area and help volunteer efforts. And it's a way of taking this massive online army off-line and that's something Biden's not doing you see the key or this is why I do the research together. We're not doing it this year because it's the campaign season timing virus everything else but I intend to get back to it next year. The reason why is because I think it's very important to take radio listeners. And bring them all together face to face because you guys interact with me in radio. You send me emails and direct messages on social media. You call into the program. But there's something to be said for communal interaction as well and it builds a stronger audience over time when you do this you able to relate better and the president has figured out a way to take his online presence and make it off line and that makes him stronger as a candidate. Hello there it. Is Eric Your exit here? The Eric Erikson show across the state of Georgia. The phone number. If you want to be part of the program eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. I got a email from an angry listener. Who believes I cut off Joseph and Royston it was not from Joseph in Royston who I hope is to listening. I did cut jobs evolve because there was background noise And I needed to to let him go because of the background noise on his law. Line but I agreed with his point. Though in in early listener was too busy being mad at me that I had to cut Joseph off because the background noise to realize that actually agreed with him There isn't a whole lot. Joe Biden can do on the campaign trail but there are some things he can do. Their actually are things `bite and can do beyond Curated media interviews with certain family members of the press. Although I have to tell you Brzezinski is afraid of his and she asks the tough questions and she deserves the for that Nonetheless nonetheless we need to move on to other things that are getting a lot of media attention it makes. You wonder why they're why why. Why is this not getting attention? Mike Garcia has one in the twenty fifth Congressional district of California that was Katie Hills district. She's a Democrat who was elected in two thousand eighteen and resigned due to scandal. She was having E- indiscreet relations in her office in was accused of sexual harassment and she wound up resigning. The media tried to make her some sort of hero in. She's really not but she left and they have a special election. It's a district that Hillary Clinton won in two thousand sixteen. It's a district that the That That the Democrats won from Republicans in twenty eighteen. And now it's gone Republican again. Mike Garcia now because the way California works with male imbalance and stuff. It's GonNa take a little while to confirm it but Mike is currently had fifty six. Forty four seventy six percent reporting The outstanding votes in that district Are Look like they will be friendly him The district was suburban. Los Angeles His opponent Christy Smith was endorsed by Nancy Pelosi Dianne Feinstein Comma Harris. And it should have been a close election and it wasn't the Republicans one and then there's Wisconsin seven last night. Tom Tiffany one fifty seven to forty two against Tricia dunker who was endorsed by Cory Booker. Tammy Baldwin Elizabeth Warren and the rest of them and this is this is Shaun. Wc now this seat was predictably Republican. the Donald Trump one. Wisconsin Seven Sean. Wbz you'll recall Sean Duffy. Very nice guy by the way. I've always liked Sean. And his wife Rachel They've got I think seven kids and and they are expecting their eighth. I believe they know that there's going to be some Physical difficulties with their their next child so he had to step down from Congress. They are Super Nice people He had to step aside. And you know this this is just. It's it's interesting. Republicans are more energized than Democrat. I I gotTa tell you if the election were held today I do think Biden could pull it off. I do. And the reason I do is because of the underlying of voter concerns regarding the president's handling of covert nineteen but the elections November and if the economy does begin to rebound the president is going to get as much credit for the rebound as he's gotten blame For for everything else in the Democrats know this which is increasingly. Why so many of them? It's not about stopping the virus. I mean Dr FAO chief. Everyone else's said the virus is going to be around a while. We're not GONNA get a vaccine for at least a year so the Democrats are taking this. We must all shelter in place and never ever be allowed to go outside a position. Because they're worried that the virus could subside the economy could rebound and the president could get reelected being ag- can we just as an aside here? Yeah I did say that. If the election were held today I think Biden probably could win. November is a long way away. We're six months away. Can you imagine the meltdown from a lot of people? If the president wins reelection can you can you? Can you imagine that I mean it just while There's going to be an epic meltdown. By not just members of the media but by a whole lot of people in politics at the president wins reelection. The in fact you can see what's happening right now on the left and even among the the group of people who were Republicans who hate trump and. They've decided like the Lincoln project. People who are supporting Biden. You could already see people who are so convinced. The president can't win reelection that they're already laying down that they're the ones who caused him to lose the reality is. That's not the way it is. They're they're trying in advance of the election to define the election. They're trying in advance of the election to define how the president won or lost it. It's actually kind of funny to watch because you've got this situation where a people they don't really know I mean remember. All of the police had Hillary Clinton consistently head of Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen. The polling has Joe Biden head of the president. Now we now know that the national polls are irrelevant to this because the electoral college you got to look at the state bullied in the state polling actually shows that Donald Trump's doing okay in Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania Iowa There are some concerns in places like Arizona. There's actually concerned a place like Texas but a lot of those numbers have to do with registered. Voters versus likely voters their explanations. To those in here. You've got a race in suburban Los Angeles where the Democrats Hillary Clinton wanted in two thousand sixteen. The Democrats wanted a congressional seat in two thousand eighteen and it has flipped back to the Republicans in a special election. Now I am one of those people to be intellectually honest and consistent. I tell people all the time. Special elections can only give you meaning for special elections. You cannot extrapolate from a single special election a trend. The only exception to that is if you have a series of special elections that that are consistent so for example one of the best bellwethers for what's going to happen to the incumbent. Party is the Virginia State House because the Virginia State House elections happened in the Virginia. Elections happen the year after a presidential election an odd numbered election year after presidential election. And if those if the President's party if the if the incumbent president's party goes down in flames Virginia the odds are it's going to be bad the next year so in two thousand Sixteen Donald Trump wins the republicans maintain congress in two thousand seventeen. You have the Virginia elections and the Democrats just the whole state goes Kabui for the GOP. That was a precursor to twenty eighteen in the Democrats doing very well in addition to the Virginia race which you also saw is a series of races around the country That were special elections. Where the Democrats did well and should not have. Republicans lost seats in special elections and that was a consistent trend. The Democrats had momentum so a single special election does not have a lot that you can draw from. But there's this and this is the consistent part here in all of the national polling in the polling here in Georgia in the polling and suburban Los Angeles the enthusiasm among Republicans for Donald Trump is greater than the enthusiasm among Democrats for Joe Biden. That is why for example. The Democrats are so desperate to move beyond the Katie herb beyond the terrorist situation. Now a friend of mine sent me some notes. Let let me let me read this Democratic momentum does appear to have stifled. They had trouble in Wisconsin even though it was Republican race. They didn't mobilize people expected them to Republican. Energy is similar in two thousand sixteen. The Republican base is energized turning out conservative. Pro Growth candidate beat a big government. Democrat suburban Los Angeles Donald Trump and his handling of the pandemic was not a drag on the two races in fact the base turn out big and Garcia scored a victory in his congressional district and again it included suburban Los Angeles in an area that is democratic. The attempted Democratic Narrative is that Republicans are edging away from the president overs. Handling of the pandemic didn't pan out either. In fact both Republican candidates in both races defended the president's handling. They were not punished by the voters. Now one of the big players one of the big winners in the race in California was the club for growth. The club for gross spent a lot of money a million dollars in both races. They got involved with the candidate in Wisconsin. They got involved with the candidate in California. They spent sixty thousand dollars or club for members spent sixty thousand dollars to help Garcia get elected the club for Growth PAC and clever action. did Two hundred forty seven thousand dollars in that race club for growth continues to be one of the more successful political groups in the country when it comes to finding spoke people to send to Washington and this is this is going to get ignored by me. You're not going to hear a lot about these races. You know the other thing. You're not going to hear a lot about did we. Not just have a media cycle of Fret and worry over. Wisconsin having elections a couple of weeks ago where the media was all doom and gloom and disaster. We were going to have disaster. We can't have an election will spread the virus in you. Know what they're actually with some data that The rate of the virus did uptick some in in Parts of Wisconsin but not as bad as the media predicted in there was no outrage about in-person voting in Wisconsin is. There was an impersonal election in Wisconsin. Yesterday you didn't hear that media outrage over why why. Why was there? No media outlets age over a special election in Wisconsin because of Cova nineteen with just a few weeks ago. There was an election in Wisconsin and there was national media outrage over it. You know you're not gonNA hear a whole lot of outrage or even coverage of what's happening in Georgia now either. Are you two have weeks ago? The National Press Corps said Brian. Kemp would have blood on his those. Were actual words you. That was a Hashtag that trended on social media. Brian Kemp blood on his hands. Stacey Abrams attacked the governor of Georgia. Democrats attacked the governor of Georgia. Here Sanjay Gupta from April twenty first on CNN discussing this. No Chris. And I don't want to equivocate or waffle on this. I mean we closed late. We might be opening early. And they're both problems. I mean we are clear that the virus is still out there. We are clear that we are not ready. It is clear what the guidelines are and that we haven't met them and it's also clear that a lot of people. Chris are frightened about this. They're frightened to go out. So you open up businesses but people are not likely to go said doorknob safe to that person get tested. Has this place been sterilized? What about the ventilation? I mean all these questions still coming up among people because people are you know they're understandably worried. People are worried that look even if I stay healthy what if I take it and get somebody else sick. I would feel awful about that. I feel terrible if that happened. That's the sort of decisions that are being forced right now in the state and you know I just find it hard to be charitable about this I understand. The governor has pressure on him from small businesses. Although who's going to be going to these small businesses this is a proposition where you're starting to run into almost all risk and almost no reward. It's a bad idea. Every public health official in the country said so ambassador burks. Who's very polite? You and I both talked to her. She said this. She says we've put out guidelines we've tried to use the clearest data possible there are still outbreaks happening. I don't see how you could cut somebody's hair or being a nail salon and still physically distance. Maybe they have some creative ideas. I'm not familiar with essentially what she said. She's being nice. What she should have said is you shouldn't do. This can't do this. These are guidelines. I get it. You can't mandate these things but you know people could get infected. Otherwise wooden people may be hospitalized that otherwise wouldn't and sadly Chris People May die that otherwise wouldn't and I'm not an alarmist as you know but that's the reality Mother Nature is is showing US something right now. We have to behave as if we have the virus owed. We don't get sick and we don't get other people sick Gupta on CNN. Who by the way? I respect him tremendously. I I've been on. Tv with him number. Times is very nice guy. He lives in Atlanta. He is a doctor. A is a very smart guy but you know he said George did meet the guidelines and Associated Press Review now says George actually is one of the few states that did meet the guidelines to reopen. And we're two weeks out. They said it would take two weeks for us to see a you know we could still we let let me be very honest with you. Let me be real realistic. You should not go out and about as if business it. We're all back to normal. You should not. You should stay home unless you need to get out. You don't need to go hanging out at restaurants you can't go hang out at a bar but the virus has not showed signs yet of rebounding. It's still could. It still could give it another week and see but the nightmare scenarios. The blood on his hands nonsense. That was out there. You're not getting the media covering this now that they want to cover the disaster. They want to attack the governor that if this race in California had been won by Democrat you would have non stop news coverage today that the Democrats held this race and because the Republicans want. You're not getting the coverage of it. The media has become so much part of the resistance in you know I spend most of my day now trying to weed out the good coverage for the bad coverage for you guys. I think it's important that you recognize. There are good reporters doing good reporting and we do rely on the news. I couldn't do this show. But for a lot of the news coverage generated by the mainstream media but part my job is to weed out the nonsense from the truth into point out the hypocrisy and the double standard. If the Democrats had one that California race you'd have wall-to-wall Coverage Day celery coverage hope is on the way but the Democrats lost it so you won't have the coverage if the death toll at the body count and Georgia was going up right now you would have the media nonstop blamed Brian Kemp Frenzy. But it's not it's going down. The virus count continues. Go down and so they're ignoring the very same media the told you. Brian would have blood on his hands. There's no blood on his hands so there's no reason to cover the good news. They only want to cover the bad news. And there's no bad news Georgia right now. It is Eric Erickson here. Welcome the phone number. If YOU WANNA call. In and be a part of the program and dazzle a statewide audience with your brilliance is eight seven seven nine seven arrogate seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. You know Brian staedtler on CNN. Yesterday said that Republicans are obsessed with the Russian situation with the rush investigation with Mike. Lynn thing he says. Republicans are obsessed with Russia. What about Staedtler so disappointing? To look at what we're seeing right we media these days where there's such an obsession with the deep state and these revelations about the Russia pro this latest on Robert. Muller Russia Muller investigates the Russian Investigation Trump's Russia ties in Robert Muller the real Russia's story Russia pro ongoing Russia probe Russia Pro Brush Investigation Foot Muller and the Russia Pro Russia synergies a wonder if Russia has compromising information on the president. What is the source for? The president's claim that they have found no collusion with Russia. He misspell collusion every day. We're trying to keep track of the drip drip drip of the Russia investigation ripped drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip trump and Russia to see whether trump was secretly working for Russia. Bring it back to Russia and Russia. Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia. Russia Russia Russia. Robert Muller Robert Special Counsel. Robert Muller Muller Muller Robert Muller Robert Muller Muller Muller Mitigation Muller report you believe that he's colluding with Russia I wish I could just say no. He's not not that's crazy. Thank you to the Washington. Free Beacon for putting that together know their their headline was projection projection that the whole idea that the Republicans are obsessed with the Russian of notice. How quickly the media wanted to move on from it. After Muller was not their white night for three years the media was invested in the idea that somehow or another The Russians or to blame for everything the Russians stole the election it was all Russia Russia Russia all the time Russia and then it turned out not to be so in it. Just it's striking to me that the media was so emotionally invested in this and built it up. It was the beginning of the end remember. I've played that montage for in the past That that tracked over time the beginning of the end and it turned out not to be the beginning of the end. It turned out to be a big nothing burger and yet the media made it a big deal and now Republicans are coming out pointing out as a matter of fact that. Hey you know It's it's really not that big of a deal and hey by the way. It looks like the Democrats were engaged. Did a bunch of hanky-panky to try to make it a big deal and we need to expose the people who were breaking the law to do that. Who WERE VIOLATING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION? Who were leaking confidential and classified information to reporters. We need to find that out. Oh they're obsessed they're obsessed. Why should we not be obsessed with the truth? I mean that's what the media told us. Why should we not be obsessed with the truth amazing? I've got to tell you. Cnn is disappointing. Me More and more and I love. Cnn They also ran a story. And I want to get into this when we come back. Cnn ran a story and the story was that sixty some odd percent of Americans. Let me read you the tweet sixty eight percent of Americans say that a corona virus vaccine is needed before returning to normal life. Sixty eight percent of Americans say this for returning to normal life a new survey fines. Well turns out that's not what survey actually said CNN. Hyped the story that we can't leave our houses until six until we have a virus. Sixty eight percent of Americans say that. But that's not really true. They wilfully mis read the survey and then they got various people at CNN. Got Mad when you pointed out that they misread the survey. What the survey actually say because it's relevant to our conversations here in George's is the governor reopens the State. We'll talk about it when we come back. Hello there I wanNA remind you guys who need payroll protection To Go to first liberty building and loan there in Newnan and it doesn't matter where you're listening to me nationwide. They can actually help you but for those of us who are here in Georgia. They're actually local in Newnan Georgia New the frost family. Well good people been doing this since the nineteen nineties and early nineties. They've been helping small businesses and they can help you get into the bureau protection program. They can't guarantee a no bank can But there's still money program. Congress is looking to add more money to the program so if you need to get into the payroll protection program. 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For a number of reasons of late in particular Oliver Darcy who actually is is a good guy I know him he got his start at the blaze In conservative media he transitioned into mainstream. He's at CNN. He's been very critical of conservative media of late. And he's got this thing on about Bret Baier and I'm just I'm I'm upset and and I maybe I shouldn't be. It's par for the course. I guess these days but attacking Bret Baier for having on guests that they don't like at CNN It's just For example let's see You got Let let me find this piece. I know where is Joe? Where did you ride it? Do I not see it may be? I don't see it there. Yep Okay here we go Joe Cunningham. It's at red state my old website. What's up with CNN's Oliver Dorsey trying to attack Bret Baier? It is difficult to figure out the true motives of CNN's media reporters. All over Dorsey and Brian stelter on the face of it. They appear to be attack dogs into knock right wing sources of information. That's their whole act on social media on television. But what motivates them to do so with passion that they bring to the job? Perhaps this lack of weirdness do they not realize that while Fox News does have several opinion? Who's Bret Baier? Plays it far more straight than several of the so-called street new guys at CNN. Guys like Chris Cuomo or lemon for example or Brian stelter yet. Attacking bear is exactly the route that Darcy took last night on twitter after Mollie. Hemingway made an appearance on beer. Show how could this Darcy tweeted? How can Bret Baier be hosting? Suppose it straight news show while allowing Mollie Hemingway to appear on the program and push this obama gates stuff unchallenged with no opposing point of view. Is Darcy doing this out of jealousy? Cnn has incredible growth in April's ratings upwards of one hundred fifty percent of viewership but it still wasn't enough to top Bret Baier seat in just can't seem to top it in since Dorsey worked for CNN. That's what he has to do attack. Fox News can you imagine that being your job? Spend all day watching network. You hate tweet about it with educational television. Hit reminding you that focusing on them is your job and you hate them. Jealousy explains part of it but as much darker than that. Cnn simply cannot compete in the ratings with Fox News right now because they spent so much time making themselves out to be the resistance than a straight news network so instead of trying to correct the ship from a journalistic perspective. There tried to force the other ship. Fox News to impose impossible standards on itself. Chris Cuomo CNN routinely has on Andrew Cuomo his brother without another guest to challenge Andrew. Cuomo CHRIS CUOMO HAS NOT CHALLENGED THE MISTAKES. His brother has made has not raised the specter of the deaths in nursing homes. And the like. And I'm I'm I think. Cnn needs some self reflection right now because the network really is spending a lot of time attacking Fox News and by the Way Fox News deserves. Some of the criticism. Fox News is not pure this. None of them are but to make the case. That Bredbury can't have on Mollie Hemingway who has been a big critic of the media for a number of years. She's been consistent on this stuff and to have her on to talk about how the media used this by the way to point out. Cnn's obsession with Russia. Cnn itself has been obsessed with Russia for a very long time. And it it's just baffled. Lean to look at this and not recognize the fact that CNN itself has been hypocritical CNN itself has been obsessed and then to attack them attack Fox for pointing out that obsession. Y'All I'm disappointed in a lot of media outlets these days that should know better in. Cnn is one of those frankly. That should know better. You had Michael Natty. Being taken seriously by Brian stelter being given a platform you got the beginning of the in nonsense that they had forever on. You've got the champion of Greta. Thunberg you know. Cnn is going to have Greta Thunberg on a panel as some sort of expert on Corolla virus. What sort of expert is she on Corona Virus? She's not and yet they're focused on it. I dare say they are obsessed about it and they would hold Fox News to a different standard. They want Fox to be to a different standard than every other media network because they wanted discredit fox in the eyes of its viewers but look at CNN night. Let's go back to this. This headline seen in town. The sixty eight percent of Americans say a corona virus is needed before returning to normal life. A new survey finds except that's not actually true. The headline is different sixty. What's actually true in the polling to sixty eight percent of Americans say in available vaccine is very important before returning to new to normal life for them in fact here's the actual question. How important are each of the following factors to you when thinking about your willingness to return to your normal activities sixty eight percent say the available availability of a vaccine. Now it's it's important. It is important for those individuals to return to their normal activities. But it's not needed and that's what see and said that a vaccine is needed. Now here's media coverage of this. It should go without saying that neither the actual measuring the poll of willingness to return what titties or seasons rewriting of returning to normal life are especially scientific measures in their own right. But if you decide to go back to work in school before there's a vaccine perhaps avoid crowded dance floors that could be considered not return resuming normal activities. It's a wide range of definitions even worse other survey questions make the CNN headline even more blatantly wrong as an example art digital editor. Nicholas Grossman noted the CNN. Item said. There were two Gallup surveys. He wrote one question asked. How soon would you return to your normal day to day activities if there were no government restrictions and gave four options? The most popular answer is after the number of cases declined significantly getting forty percent. The least popular answer was after a corona virus vaccine employ. That's only nine percent claiming that the survey shows the sixty eight percent of Americans say a vaccine is needed before returning. Normal life is agreed. Misreading the data true. But it's also designed to attack the president. It is also designed to attack Brian Kemp. Cnn is played a part of the resistance when they're blasting bret baier an objectively good journalist for having on a guest that they don't like keeping their mouths shut about Andrew. Cuomo BEEN ON CHRIS. Cuomo show it never been asked about the deaths in nursing homes? And his policies that have caused. It stopped. Telling me that there's something wrong with Fox shoes. There's something wrong with the media as a whole but there's a bigger issue here. Do you know more people are going to listen to me right now today this morning. More people I'm only syndicated in the state of Georgia right now. We have yet to cross the state line and more people are going to listen to me right now. Then we'll watch CNN show today that's just a fact. More people will listen to rush limbaugh for five minutes today. Then we'll watch Fox News or CNN OR MSNBC YET CNN and MSNBC. They don't Bash Rush limbaugh show. They don't bash conservative talk radio. They Bash Fox News and the reason is because well it's it's their bias there in MTV they think TV is the most important but more people are gonNA listen to what rush limbaugh says today. Then we'll watch Fox News at the same time. More people will listen to me right now. Then we'll listen to whatever's on CNN right now. That's that's just the data and the reason they don't focus on that is because really this is about ratings to them. This isn't about truth and that's what you need to understand. It's never really been about truth for any of them. The truth is that conservatives by enlarge get a lot of their information from the Internet and talk radio not so much from Fox News to the extent they get information from Sean Hannity. They gather from his radio show and his reinforcements. Tv show with largely the same guests in same conversations. But it's it's that it's there but they don't want to cover it. They don't want to recover it. They don't WanNa they don't want to focus on it. Because this has never been about conservatism. It's never been about what conservatives say it's never been about alternative media reality it's been about. Cnn's getting their butt kicked in the Ratings Bhai Fox. And they're mad about it maybe if CNN didn't have hosts who speculated on TV about black hole swollen up triple sevens may maybe they wouldn't be the best may maybe if CNN didn't have Ho on who gave interviews their brother without asking tough questions and the savage Republicans maybe would mean the problem. Maybe you see an end. Didn't have a host on who lectured about breaking quarantine when he himself break broke quarantine. May maybe would have this problem maybe if CNN reported on the news and spent less time obsessing about Fox News it would be a problem. But they don't WanNa do that. Y'All I listen I could spend more. I shouldn't I should move on and and I don't want to give the impression that I hate him. Because you know I I'd actually do like CNN. I've got a number friends of mine. Who Work at CNN? I have great respect for Anderson. Cooper and Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer John King Gloria Borger Dana Bash and John Berman. But let's also not forget CNN. Ditch Dave Briggs. Who's an awesome? Tv presents for What's her name daughter Valerie? Jarrett they ditch the White Dude for Valerie Jarrett. Because they had to get the the needed to have it all within morning show could have a man and a woman so much diversity at CNN would would blast Fox News for doing the same thing and then they put on Valerie. Jarrett's daughter that kind of tells you where Jeff Zucker wants to go with the network. You're hiring Valerie. Jarrett's daughter and by the way who had been at Fox News as the weekend Foxton fringe host and then went to NBC sports and then went to see them. Was there for years. Great Guy by the way great anchor and they had two. Toss him for valor. That that should tell you something about what's he doing these days. It wants to be. Msnbc WITHOUT THE TAINT OF MSNBC SEE MSNBC now is it's it is aggressively left wing and CNN wants to be left leaning just not aggressively so and that's the race. It's gotTa pick you know. Cnn could actually be a straight news network again. I mean they've got all the talent there. They've got tapper. They got blitzer they got they got border. They got bash the got. John Berman The Um Chris Christine Romans they've got a number of really great anchors at CNN. They've got a lot of really good talented Phil manningly. They've got fantastic people who were just journal you may not like them you think they're really not that biased and to the extent that they are they know their biases and they try to compensate. But then you got the Don Lemon's in you got the Chris Cuomo's of the world you've got the bill we're environmentalist. We gotta get away from Christianity because it's killing the planet nonsense guy. You got the the the scene activist. She got the bronze settlers of the world. They're trying to split the baby in this in. It's not working. Solomon New Solomon knew that the real mother would never want her baby split. Jeff Zucker is perfectly willing to split the baby Which suggests that Zef Jeff Zucker? Really? Isn't that committed to the news industry? I don't know what he's committed with. Given the ratings remember when soccer came to see in they went wall to wall with the missing Malaysian jet and there was something else and they just went wall to wall with people. Saying this is nuts but there was a ratings blip at all Jeff Zucker. He's a genius. He's to be Fox News said he didn't he didn't beat Fox and so now what what's he doing is just hurt his network into an Anti Fox show. I can't believe they're doing this at Fox. News Fox News lives rent free and their Rupert Murdoch. Lives risk-free Jeff Suckers head. Just I mean it's it's kind of funny when you think about it. The media built him up as he was he was gonNA turn around CNN and they were just like the today show except he didn't and so that he made these strategically miscalculated mistake of becoming MSNBC. Light you can't go all in on crazy and pretend not to be crazy. That's the problem All right All right I got A. I haven't even see this. Philip sent this to me. You can blame him. I I'm opening this. Were reading this together. Charlie has closed the phone lines. Now he says you're not allowed to call anymore at least not for today. You can't tomorrow here. Here's the here's the headline on. Its Return Baseball. Must deal with one messy issue. Spitting the site of a player standing on a baseball field spitting like he's the world's Grossest Garden Fountain may now be endangered. Spitting has been banned in Korea as part of Baseball's returned there in the age of girl virus. And certainly the habit will need to be addressed here before Major League Baseball resumes. This no longer is a matter of taste or civility. Now it's a public health. Issue spitting is a pandemics relay. Man Never let a crisis go away. Dare we dream of the day when the long idle minutes of baseball are not punctuated by great foamy expect durations. From every facet of the diamond of win a dugout is not rendered in EPA superfund site nightly by the sputum of those who have tapped into an unnatural and unending supply of. And where does it all come from? It really didn't require a global health crisis to fix baseball spitting. I know they had a spitting. I mean they're the spitting image based This is just this is ridiculous. There aren't too many Pablo Picasso once said if I spit they will take my spit and Freeman his great art. There aren't too many Picasso's on a ball field. Although Greg mattocks came close so there goes any aesthetic excuse for the panoramic display of digestive juices. Were you were you were born? I know were you were born in the nineteenth century and dependent upon chewing tobacco. Keep Your Mouth Moist Journal. Those Day Games on dry industy feels that a certain amount of spitting understandable otherwise here in a time where we're supposed to be discouraging tobacco. Use It for just keep your mouth shut. Oh Good Lord. What a nanny. Who is this person? Steve Hummer right sports features for the AJC covers a wide range of sports and topics. Come on a at the end. He's blasting the scratching the I'm sorry we're a cup. It gets itchy down there. Have you ever done that? Good gracious people. Suddenly the we can't have baseball. Return of their spitting. The mirus never let a crisis go to waste weekend. Have Baseball players scratching their crutches inspecting? That's to Manley out there. We're going to have to the women on the field to no soul out a boring You know there are some of certain things being written out there right now i. This is one of them. Let's see where's this. Where's this Here tell the Tom. Sawyer was a prodigious spinner per mark. Twain's accounts that earned the respect of his peers but surely even twain would be amazed today and slightly put off by a one week tour of the nationally. Geest enforcement in punishment of any anti spitting. Ordinance will be fun to watch and surely fodder for another baseball statistic. Times caught spitting. They'd be taking on such a common reflex action. It will be like trying to outlaw snoring at a foreign film. Visible hopefully offenders will be made to clean up and disinfect. After themselves the poor grounds crew has had to deal with players emissions long enough. Goodness Gracious. Can we not just get baseball back? Please I just got my braves license plate. I'm ready for the game. Do we really do. We really really have to ban spitting baseball now. Is that going to be the next major? They spit it could be spreading the virus. Come on people. Some people have too much time on their hands.

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