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Appeals court orders release of some Mueller report passages
"Hi hi Mike Mike Rossi Rossi reporting reporting an an appeals appeals court court orders orders the the release release of of some some older older reports reports passages passages a a federal federal appeals appeals court court has has ruled ruled to to the the justice justice department department can't can't disclose disclose certain certain redacted redacted passages passages from from the the Russia Russia investigation investigation report report compiled compiled by by special special counsel counsel Robert Robert Muller Muller that that relate relate to to individuals individuals who who were were investigated investigated by by prosecutors prosecutors but but not not charged charged the the ruling ruling came came in in a a public public records records complaint complaint from from the the news news organization organization buzzfeed buzzfeed the the three three judge judge panel panel ruled ruled passages passages buzzfeed buzzfeed sued sued to to see see can can be be disclosed disclosed because because they they involve involve facts facts available available elsewhere elsewhere in in the the report report specifically specifically the the appeals appeals court court said said the the justice justice department department must must disclose disclose redacted redacted information information about about the the Muller Muller team's team's decision decision not not to to prosecute prosecute an an unnamed unnamed person person for for campaign campaign finance finance violations violations buzzfeed buzzfeed contends contends that that person person is is likely likely Donald Donald Trump Trump junior junior Mike Mike Crossey Crossey out out Washington Washington
Russian analyst who worked on Steele dossier charged with lying to FBI
"A Russian analysts who provided information for a dossier used during the trump Russia investigation has been charged with lying to the FBI the case was brought as part of special counsel John dorms investigation into the origins of the F. B. I.'s probe of ties between Donald trump's twenty sixteen presidential campaign and Russia a grand jury indictment issued in federal court in Virginia charges Igor Danchenko with five counts of false statements to the FBI about his sources of information Danchenko functioned as a source for Christopher Steele a former British spy paid by Democrats to examine trump's Russia ties Steele's dossier was used by federal authorities as they sought surveillance warrants targeting a former trump campaign aide however it had no role in launching the investigation led by special counsel Robert Muller Ben Thomas
After 2-Year Battle, House Panel Interviewing Trump Counsel
"After trying for more than two years the house Judiciary Committee is questioning Donald trump's former top White House lawyer on trump's orders then White House counsel don began to fight at twenty nineteen subpoenaed to speak with the panel which was investigating whether trump tried to obstruct justice department probes into his campaign's ties to Russia special counsel Robert Muller's report quoted extensively from interviews with McGann who described trump's efforts to stifle the investigation of federal court agreement led to McCann's appearance today but the deal also means members likely won't learn anything new both sides agreed again would be questioned privately and only about what the publicly available parts of the moment report a tribute to him Sager mag ani Washington
Deal Reached for Ex-White House Counsel McGahn's Testimony
"Hi Mike Rossi are reporting a deal has been reached for former White House counsel don begins testimony before a house committee an agreement has been reached for don began who was White House counsel during the trump administration to answer questions in private from the house Judiciary Committee according to a court document filed Wednesday evening Democrats who run the committee have been seeking testimony from again for two years it's part of an investigation of potential obstruction of justice by former president Donald Trump during special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation under the agreement negotiated by the committee and the justice department but gamble only be questioned about information attributed to him in portions of the mother report that are publicly available the date for the interview has not been set Mike Crossey out Washington
Matt Gaetz: Why Is He Being Investigated?
"Lots talk right now about florida. Representative matt gaetz. Why what is going on with matt. Gaetz matt gaetz seems to be in a lot of legal trouble is what's going on tonight. Florida congressman matt gates is defending himself amid reports. The justice department is investigating is alleged relationship with a seventeen year old girl. Investigators looking into the alleged relationship from two years ago whether gates possibly violated sex trafficking laws when he allegedly paid for travel and other expenses for the team all things. The republican strongly denies it as a horrible allegation and it is a lie. He's being investigated for payments. He may have allegedly made to women in exchange for sex in one case a woman who was under each seventeen years old in one sense. This is a pretty classic political sex scandal but the real reason it seems to have struck such a chord is that gates was one of the most bold outspoken defenders of former president donald trump who was of course plagued by scandal throughout his term in office gates was always there to say. Oh president trump was just being persecuted by the deep state. When robert muller leaves capitol hill. I think the american people will see that there was no collusion and there was oceans of bias and it turns out that the justice department has some questions for representative gates as well before we get into this sordid saga. We should just flag. That matt gaetz has not been charged with anything by anyone relating to the sex scandal correct. That's correct so. This is all stemming from a report initially in the new york times that gates was under investigation for perhaps having sex with a seventeen year old and for the payments to
Apple positioned to offer cryptocurrencies: RBC report
"Rbc's got a new guy following up all and he is coming on strange apples. Three dot over and part of a note from abc analyst. Mitch steve's taking over the apple beat from robert muller. According to steve's note fundamentals apple remained secure with cash flowing business related to iphones peripherals computers and services. But what he really likes is the money. Apple could make in cryptocurrency not mining not buying but using apple wallet to let its installed base of one point five billion devices and the people who use them into the game the way the analyst sees it if apple decides to enter into the crypto currency exchange business multibillion dollar in we think the firm could immediately gain market share and disrupt the industry while simultaneously making the usa a leader in crypto for the next ten to twenty years if only two hundred million of those one point five billion got into crypto currency steve stingers that potential revenue opportunity would be an excess of forty billion dollars a year
Trump issues 26 more pardons, including Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
"And the partners. Just keep coming. Cnn reporting president trump wednesday announced twenty six new pardons including ones for longtime ally roger stone former campaign chairman. Paul manafort and white house senior adviser. Jared kushner's father charles those pardons of manafort and stole reward. Two of the most high profile and widely condemned for advisors of the president. Both of whom were indicted by special counsel. Robert muller went to trial and were convicted by jury of multiple crimes.
Trump pardons Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
"Partners. Just keep coming. Cnn reporting president trump wednesday announced twenty six new pardons including ones for longtime ally roger stone former campaign chairman. Paul manafort and white house senior adviser. Jared kushner's father charles. Those parts manafort and stone reward two of the most high profile widely condemned for advisers of the president. Both of whom were indicted by special counsel. Robert muller went to trial and were convicted by juries of multiple crimes.
Trump issues more pardons, including Paul Manafort, Charles Kushner
"New evidence surfaced of just how wild and crazy things could get in the last days of donald trump's presidency. The white house announced that the president had issued a new round of pardons that included. Paul manafort his former campaign chairman and roger stone his longtime political adviser both of whom had been convicted of crimes. Going out of robert muller's russia investigation. And as if that wasn't enough trump also pardoned charles kushner. The father of his son-in-law jared kushner who had been convicted of illegal campaign contributions tax evasion and witness tampering
Trump pardons former campaign chairman Paul Manafort
"President trump has issued another batch of pardons to nearly thirty people including his son in law's father and trump's former campaign chairman on the new list of those now pardoned or granted clemency Charles Kushner a real estate developer who pleaded guilty to tax evasion witness tampering and making illegal campaign contributions in two thousand five Kushner son Jared as a White House adviser and married to trump's daughter Ivanka and two more trump confidants convicted in order to jail in the Russia probe former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and close friend Roger stone whose prison sentence had already been commuted by the White House observers say the president's using the power of his office to dismantle the results of special counsel Robert Muller's investigation having pardoned another campaign associate Tuesday Jackie Quinn Washington
Trump Pardons Michael Flynn
"That after he pardoned. Michael flynn is x. National security adviser flint pleaded guilty in two thousand seventeen too long the fbi about his contacts within russian ambassador sergei kislyak. It was one of the first major courtroom. Victories for special counsel robert muller but about a year ago flint tried to withdraw that guilty plea. His attorneys argued that he'd been trapped by people like fired. Fbi agent. peter struck fox's kristen fisher house intelligence committee chairman democrat. Adam schiff who helped lead the impeachment inquiry says the president has repeatedly abused the pardon power to protect. Oh soup covered up for
U.S. charges Russian military hackers
"A story for you. May Two thousand seventeen voters in France went to the polls to elect a new French president just like in our election the before then Russian intelligence agencies in the Russian government played hard in the French election that year russian-owned websites pushing outlandish rumours about the centrist candidate Emmanuel macron. Those rumors were then processed into pieces Russian state media outlets. macron's rival was a far right candidate named Marine Le Pen she had inherited from her Holocaust denying Father Control of Francis Post. World War Two Fascist Party. So it was the neo-fascist party running against macron. Lapenne far-right neo-fascist campaign was explicitly bankrolled by a Russian state controlled bank. Marine Le Pen went to Moscow and met with Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin during the campaign. This was not subtle. But it was. Too much for Russia to pass up a divisive racist far right fascist candidate injecting chaos into the elections in a major. European. Democracy in twenty seventeen that's like catnip to Russia. Right? They want to undermine democracy everywhere. They will undermine Western countries in general however they can. But Russia's saved its boldest move for the eve of that French. Just two days before the vote. Russian. Hackers part of the same Russian military unit that had disseminated hacked democratic emails during the twenty, sixteen American election the before. They dumped tens of thousands of files, online, nine gigabytes of stolen emails and other information all hacked from Emmanuel Macron's campaign, and that might have become the dominant news story of the final weekend of that campaign. Before French voters went to the polls. It might have actually ended up upending that election if it were not for a quirk of French law, which imposes a media blackout on anything relating to the campaign for full day before voting starts all the way through until polls close on election day. That blackout period in French law precedes this whole scandal with Russia messing with the French election. But it ended up saving the day. The material that was hacked by Russian intelligence got posted online and France just hours before media blackout period began just minutes before the blackout began at midnight that night the macron campaign issued a statement warning that the hackers had inserted forged fake documents into the hack stolen material they pleaded with the media to not report on that junk. And the media didn't. They stuck to the rules. And in the end, Emmanuel macron beat the far-right neo-fascist Marine Le Pen by more than thirty points. And there's a couple of reasons for us be thinking about sort of relearning the story of that. Two thousand seventeen French election right now one is that the intelligence community is raising the alarm that Russian intelligence is executing an operation just like the one they did in France on us right now the supposedly Biden scandal that Rudy Giuliani has been shopping the scandal he. Managed to get printed in the New York Post which president trump has been gleefully promoting ever since including posing with a copy of that paper in the Oval Office that junk that Giuliani has been promoting is being actively investigated by federal investigators as potentially part of a hostile foreign influence operation illegally targeting our election and the intelligence community is investigating this Johnny on the spot. In part because they saw this coming in advance, this is in the New York Times last week quote, The Times reported last January the Ukrainian company were Hunter Biden was once on the Board respond had been hacked by the same Russian Intelligence Unit that hacked the Democratic National Committee in two thousand, sixteen last month US intelligence analysts contracted several people with knowledge of that hack. Asking them for further information because they picked up chatter that stolen burris, my emails would be leaked in the form of an October surprise among their chief concerns was that the burris material would be leaked alongside forged materials and it it's to hurt Biden's candidacy as Russian. Hackers did when they dumped real e mails alongside forgeries ahead of the French elections in two thousand seventeen. So that's what they did to Macron in two, thousand, seventeen they hacked all install all of this stuff from his campaign than they mixed it up with Ford stuffing dumped it right before the election. That's what the US intelligence community said. They believed was going to happen with Barista and sort of October surprise firm Rudy Giuliani. Thank right on time Rudy Giuliani shows up some emails from a mysterious source that are totally unverified and unverified able and only one Rupert Murdoch owned right wing tabloid will air that junk. Put it in their paper. So. That's one reason. The Russian operation in the two thousand, seventeen French election newly relevant to our lives right now, the Russians may be trying that exact same trick all over again except we don't have media blackout rules. The other reason that that two thousand seventeen Russian operation in France is newly relevant. Is that the guys who did it just got indicted by the US Justice Department today? Here they are the Russian military intelligence hackers who carried out that operation to interfere in the French election in two thousand seventeen the Justice Department says in the indictment today that these guys also launched major malware and hacking operations that shut down the power grid in Ukraine that hit the parliament in the nation of Georgia that chemical weapons investigators in the UK and Europe who were looking into the Russian poisoning of former Russian spy, Sergei scruple who was poisoned with a Russian nerve agent on British territory they say, they also orchestrated hacks that hit hospitals in companies. In the United States. They also organize tax that hit the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics quite a list. And? Although. One of the Russian hacker that was indicted today was previously indicted by Robert Muller in two thousand eighteen for his role in the hacking operation against the twenty sixteen election here in the US, today's indictment of these Russian hackers doesn't include any charges related to American election interference this year. That said the election. The American election is two weeks from tomorrow. It's hard to look today's indictment without trying to understand how it relates to our own election and what the Justice Department is trying to signal here. Is that the right way to look at this. Joining us now is Jeremy Bash. He served as chief of staff at the CIA and at the Defense Department under President Obama Jeremy Nice to see. Thanks for making time. It, Rachel. So, this is a lot. Going on the surprise announcement today from the Justice Department about the indictment of these Russian hackers when you look at this with your background in intelligence and your understanding of what Russia has done to target our democracy and others. What do you think is most important here for people to understand. Well I think was most important is that the GRU this Russian military organization that was responsible for the two thousand Sixteen Hacking Dump Operation Against the Democrats that was responsible for the two thousand seventeen election appearance in France as you noted, and is responsible for these militias cyber attacks globally including, against us, hospitals and. They are very active. They're very capable and they are in fact probably behind this this Russian. Intelligence operation at least a looks and appears to be Russian intelligence operation targeting the Biden campaign. Last. Week Andrew Weisman, who is part of the Miller investigation wrote in Law Fair about the decision that was made by bill bar earlier this year this spring to drop criminal charges against Russian companies that had participated in the attack on our election in two thousand sixteen and that didn't actually get a lot of attention when it happened in March I think in part because the country was overwhelmed by what was starting to happen to us in terms of covid why spent makes the case that before may have acted essentially improperly in dismissing those charges essentially signaling to Russia that the. US Criminal Law wouldn't be used against them as a tool if they wanted to interfere in the election this year I'm wondering if this might be a signal in the other direction, if this might be some sort of signal to brushback rush intelligence ahead of what appears to be their ongoing efforts to boost trump in his reelection effort. Hartono, racial. But what we do know is that there are mixed signals being sent by the US government here. Today we have the Justice Department indicting Russian hackers, but you've got the president of the United States welcoming condoning what looks apparently like a Russian intelligence operation targeting the Biden campaign remember Rachel that Rudy Giuliani. In Kiev, with Andrei Dirk Catch Ukrainian lawmaker who has been assessed by US intelligence and announced by our Treasury Department to be a Russian asset for the last decade. Giuliani goes to Kiev meets with Dir cash and he comes back and low these many months later, Giuliani surfaces up with these a very mysterious emails. So every Intelligence Professional Rachel that I've talked to the last twenty four hours says that this walks like a Russian intelligence disinformation campaign this talks like a Russian intelligence to information campaign. This is most likely Russian intelligence is permission campaign against the Biden team.
Two conservative political operatives charged with misleading voter robocalls
"In August people in Detroit who were registered voters the trait is majority Democrat city. It's nearly eighty percent African, American registered voters in Detroit this summer. who had phone numbers in the three one three Detroit area code. They started getting calls that kind of seemed like crimes. And I'm going to play the call for you here. I will tell you before I play it that it is what you're about to hear on this call is unmitigated Bo Punky none of this is true but this is the call slash crime that went out to detroiters this summer. I'm. Not Ninety nine. Founded by Jack Berkman and Jacob. ooh. Mandarin voting found great but they do know that if you vote by mail, your personal information will be other public they that will be leaked assignments to track down. So worn and being used a credit card companies to collect outstanding debt the city even pushing. For they've only to try people for mandatory. I'll be connected door formation for the main. State. Where both by. Wear vote by mail. Vote by mail, your personal information is going to be given to the police to track you down for any old warrants and your personal information will be given to credit card companies to track you down for any old debt, and then the CDC is going to use that information. If you vote by mail to hunt you down and make you take mandatory vaccines that you don't want. Right that's all horse hockey. None of that is true voting by mail in Michigan doesn't actually put your personal information out there anywhere registering the vote means registering to vote but beyond that, how you vote doesn't matter at all. But when Sandra McNeill, on WWe, in Detroit got that recording of call they started looking into it. See if it was a one offer to see if this is more widespread thing. They started looking into it. So did the State Attorney General and the Michigan Secretary of State and those state officials held a press conference and they took the unusual step of releasing the audio recording of that call. So that other people who might have received, it would recognize it but also I think to put people on notice that this was misinformation and if you get this, this is not only wrong. This is potentially a crime they gave a stern public warning saying they're working to find out who was sending these absolutely false calls full of disinformation trying to intimidate voters they asked for members of the public to let them know if they too had received a call like this record, the call record, the date, and time you received it record any identifying information that came in with the call on your caller, id or anything like that. Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel warned that it is a felony under Michigan Law to deter or otherwise disrupt a person attempting to vote. So they went big with it. They basically said in that press conference five or so weeks ago you know listen you're targeting mostly black registered voters to dump all this disinformation on them to try to stop them voting by mail the you may think this is cute but this is illegal in this state and we're coming for you. Well today they made good on that threat tonight Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel has announced felony charges that have been filed against the two men whose names were listed at the beginning of that call. They have publicly denied having anything to do with this call. They've said, this must be some liberal group trying to make them look bad. It should be noted that callers received these calls also got caller ID messages saying the calls for coming from one of the two men's phone numbers. these guys are are trump supporters and conservative activists with a history of making flamboyant false claims at one point during the special counsel's investigation Robert Muller's office released a public statement announcing that they had referred these guys to the FBI after multiple women came forward to say that these guys had offered them money to make up sexual assault allegations against Robert. Muller. They referred them to the FBI for that. I. Wonder Whatever happened to that FBI referral. These gentleman also fabricated sexual assault allegations against Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buddha judge in the heat of the Democratic primary that allegation fell apart when the person they put forward to make those charges against people to judge publicly recanted and admitted that it wasn't true and publicly explained that these guys had put him up to it. They also tried to fabricate sexual assault allegations against Dr Anthony FAUCI. Seriously they offered cash rewards anybody who would say they heard Joe Biden using racial epithets right. These guys are a peach of a pair and they have been doing this kind of stuff to try to boost the trump campaign and to boost the trump presidency they've been doing it for a long time now apparently with impunity. But now they are facing multiple felony charges in Michigan Four felony charges all related to the election crime of intimidating voters. With a maximum total jail time of I think twenty four years in prison. But here's what's particularly interesting here. The investigation sparked by the Michigan authorities deciding that they were going to go big and go public with this turned up the fact that this wasn't just a local thing that had happened to one or two people. It wasn't even a Michigan specific attack turns out the calls out all over I. It was a Chicago Alter woman a local official in Chicago who alerted the board of elections there that she too had received this racist robocall. At her home in Chicago. Then it was people in Pittsburgh, and in Philadelphia who all said, they got this excuse me this same call. When Attorney General Dana Nessel of Michigan announced these felony charges today she said, the her office conferred with the Attorney General in Illinois or Chicago is and in Pennsylvania where Philly in Pittsburgh are but she says, she also conferred with the Attorneys Journal in New York and in Ohio because it turns out these calls have been going out to majority black districts registered voters in majority black districts all over the country in all in announcing these charges today the Michigan Attorney General's office estimates that eighty five, thousand of these calls have gone out. Just in the past few weeks trying to terrify black voters into not voting by mail at. Eighty, five thousand mostly black voters getting these calls saying if you vote by mail the CDC's going to put you on a list for mandatory vaccination that you don't want. If you vote by mail the credit card companies are going to track you down to find all your debt. If you vote by mail, the police are coming for you. Eighty five thousand of these calls. In. Multiple States. Over a period of weeks. After Attorney General Dana Nessel announced these charges today in Michigan. She didn't interview with that reporter from Wj, who helped break this thing open from the start with that tip from a listener. Reporter Sandra McNeill she asked the AG. The question that actually has been on my mind since I first heard about this story, which is, why did these guys have the goal to use their own names on this robocall? which so obviously appears to be a crime in progress trying to intimidate voters why would you put your name on that while committing that crime that's like robbing a bank and handing your real business card everybody might have witnessed it. Attorney General Nestle told the reporter from WWe Jay in response quote I honestly think that they've gotten away with so many things for so long. They thought that no, one would do anything they thought it wouldn't matter. Turns out matters. Joining us now live from Michigan is the Great State of Michigan's attorney, General Nestle Madam Attorney General. Thank you so much for being here. Tonight know it's a busy time. For having me I really appreciate your use of the term bull hockey I've never heard that before. But they use it. Bowl puppy and horse hockey are terms of art. You're welcome to use either of them. I don't even collect commission anymore. Does ask if I've got any of that wrong or if there's any important part of this. Case that you brought today that you announced today that I've missed. Now I think it was a summation. But what I think I'd like people to know is first of all, you know, yeah, that was twelve thousand calls that were made to the state of Michigan really centralized in the city of Detroit, the three one, three area area code, which is the city of Detroit. The thing about this, that's twelve thousand calls the twelve thousand potential voters trump won the state of Michigan by just over ten thousand votes. So I mean this is incredibly impactful and what I thought about for a long time. What is the point of having all these laws on the books in regard to voter suppression voter intimidation threats against voters if we never actually. Enforce them and what we know about twenty six sixteen is that trump didn't win because of the people who voted for him in Michigan he wanted because of the people who didn't voted all and that is what I think. These folks are trying to accomplish trying to suppress the vote and scare people into not voting action t during the course of a global pandemic, and we're not having it in this state just absolutely neck when you accept that these individuals can be so brazen as to attach themselves personally to these phone calls and think they can just get away with it. If they think it's funny that can joke around about it behind bars as far as I'm concerned. Is there a technical reason why cases like this are hard to bring? Obviously, these gentlemen have the. Office charged today they have their names on the front of this robocalled. They've since publicly denied that they actually made the robocall and said, somebody else must have done this in their names in order to make them look bad or prank them when it comes to the technical nature of proving that these were the people who in the charges conspired to and ultimately committed these acts voter intimidation is it hard to prove? Well. Unfortunately, for Mr, role and Mr Berkman Bud year ago, and my aunt established one of the first set anti. Robo calling task forces and so we were interested at the time in political related robocalls. We were interested in those calls that are made that ended up defrauding, he will and scamming people. So we already had the technology in place. So we knew where these calls were coming from and that allowed us to work with authorities in the state of California and thanks to my good friend. Attorney General Sarah in California who assisted us in this investigation but we have compelling evidence that these individuals committed these crimes and we're quite clear and confident about who the perpetrators of these crimes were. They just obviously never thought that we would actually end up investigate and actually charge but you know voter suppression is a very serious matter as Thomas Paine so So famously stated many years ago I voting is the right upon which all other rights are dependent. So if you deprive somebody of their ability to vote you deprive him of everything else in. Life and you know this has gone on for far too long. I think many people are tired of their scams. This isn't the first time that we've investigated these guys. As you noted, there was a an incident involving judge that involved the state of Michigan, an individual who lived in the state of Michigan. So it's not the person. I've seen their names. On a piece of paper in my office. And we're tired of them coming into our state and stirring up this kind of trouble by using false and misleading statements and trying to threaten or intimidate voters.
Bipartisan Senate Report Shows 2016 Trump, Russia Collusion
"The news Do. You guys remember when the big question on everyone's mind was did donald trump colluded with Russia during the two thousand sixteen campaign remember it was all anyone talked about and then trump lead one, hundred and seventy thousand Americans die on his watch and we moved onto that. Well, it turns out the US. Senate had not completely forgotten about it and yesterday they dropped a bombshell report. A New Senate report says members of the 2016 trump campaign were eager. To accept help from Russia some of a directed personally by Vladimir Putin the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee releasing its final report declaring two thousand sixteen trump campaign had repeated contacts with Russian operatives, Paul Manafort? The former trump campaign co-chairman. It goes further than the Muller reports saying he was in close touch with a Russian intelligence officer who became a business partner. It says manafort posed a grave counter intelligence threat. The report says he may even have been connected. To Russia's hacking and leaking Hillary Clinton campaign emails, an operation it says was actually directed by Russian. President. Putin. The three year investigation also found that president trump may have misled special counsel Robert Muller One of the other headlines is that this committee actually made criminal referrals in June of last year in two thousand, nineteen to federal prosecutors on the list of referrals, Steve Bannon Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Junior. That's right. The Republican led Republican led Senate committee. Referred Steve, Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Don Jr. for criminal charges for lying under oath, and this is good news for Eric. When you the least favorite child, you get left out of all the family traditions, even the criminal ones basically, this Senate investigation found that the trump campaign's contacts, with Russia, during the two thousand, sixteen election posed a threat to national security, and the interesting thing about this report is that it's bipartisan with policies agree on the facts but. Each party came to a different conclusion about whether the facts meant that there was no collusion. And I will say it's always weird to see the same set of facts that are interpreted that differently it kind of reminds me of how two different guys will have different stories about how they fight went down you'll. That guy in the face and he was down on the ground lights out man. So Dude, I told that guy get on my face and then I took a nap on the
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon
"President trump's decision to commute the sentence of political confidante Roger stone is drawing sharp criticism from Democrats and pointed comments from the special counsel who oversaw his prosecution Roger stone was treated horribly Roger stone recruited very unfairly that's president trump speaking to reporters at the White House Saturday but in an op ed in The Washington Post former special counsel Robert Muller recounted how during the twenty sixteen campaign stone communicated with people known to be Russian intelligence officers who had stolen democratic emails house intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff tells ABC's this week this effort to get and use foreign assistance is what Roger stone had information on and he lied to cover up to protect the president Muller says stone committed federal crimes and rightly remains a convicted felon Ben Thomas Washington
Mueller defends Russia probe, says Stone remains a felon
"Former special counsel Robert Muller is sharply defending his investigation into ties between Russia and Donald trump's two thousand sixteen presidential campaign Roger stone was brought into this switch judge this all political which shut down the mall or Tampa speaking to reporters Saturday president trump said he had done the right thing by committing Roger stone sentence because stone and others who have been prosecuted including former national security adviser Michael Flynn had been treated unfairly but in an opinion piece in The Washington Post the former special counsel asserts stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes Muller enumerates stones repeated lies to Congress including about his communications with people known to the F. B. I. to be Russian intelligence officers and says stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so Ben Thomas Washington
Capitol Hill split on Trump's decision to commute Roger Stone's sentence
"Trump has commuted the sentence of his longtime friend, and in former political adviser Roger Stone, who was convicted for lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering in the investigation into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election NPR's Ryan, Lucas reports reaction on Capitol Hill Seems Split Along Party. Lines Republicans like Congressman Jim Jordan. He's a key. Trump ally on the hill came out in support of this move to. To grant a commutation to stone, but for Democrats in the president's critics, they have condemned trump's decision to commute stone sentence, and they call it an attack on the rule of law. They also say that it's part of a pattern. They point to the administration's decision earlier this year to drop charges against the president's former National Security Adviser, Michael Flynn, and now this decision to commute stone sense they say is evidence of politics infecting the judicial system. The White House says stone was charged by over zealous prosecutors on special. Counsel Robert Muller's team that was pursuing a baseless investigation which led to trump's impeachment.
"robert muller" Discussed on News 96.5 WDBO
"Committed by Robert Muller's group of the merry band of witch hunters and one would be disobeying the court order to turn over exculpatory evidence against general Flynn that order was given in twenty eighteen by Emmet Sullivan who I can't figure out now for the life of me now another one is misrepresentation of the Papadopoulos cooperation because well we now know that you know that hinder the roster you know this whole thing Muller prosecutors claimed trump volunteer Papadopoulos hinder their investigation but when you look at the classified FBI interviews they revealed that many of Muller's team offered exculpatory information that they withheld the silence about the trump tower meeting exculpatory evidence that they're holding that back I mean that this list goes on and on of all the instances in which they just don't follow normal process sees or or the law or take code vantage of the chaos the night people their Miranda rights and they've set everyone of these people up they did it it's interesting when you compare that scope memo to the list of people who originally targeted in twenty sixteen the original targets were Carter page Paul man afford George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn they ended up streaming up three of them on stuff that really had nothing to do with the campaign nothing to DO with Russian collusion and what I find most remarkable is what have the Carter page for a year they said he was an illegal agent of the foreign government involved in crime they couldn't find anything on that guy so the fact that you come back after all this they couldn't find anything on anyone and suddenly Rosen Steen tells Miller to go after the exact same poor people and and at the same time to avoid any scrutiny of fusion GPS or Christopher Steele who is himself working for sanction Russian oligarchs at the time he did the dossier it it shows that the molar pro prone to be very beginning with a stand in it wasn't there to get the truth it was there to go after trump and cover up all the dirty deeds that the Obama administration in the call me up B. I had been doing for years nobody seems to have picked up Shawn Davis on the fact that Obama officials like James clapper for example said on CNN fake news president trump's campaign was aiding and abetting Russia now that we have these newly declassified documents he and almost a he and every other person that went before the house Intel committee they're all saying we saw no evidence at all of trump Russia collusion so I guess what he knew he was under oath he had to tell the truth but pro P. R. purposes he'd lie just like Adam Schiff was hearing from every trump ko every Obama official also saying that we have no evidence but going out to the camera saying we have all this evidence none of it was true right and now we know why Adam Schiff had refused to release all those transcripts even though they've been declassified for more than a year he didn't want the truth to get out he would go on CNN and say I have smoking gun evidence of collusion but behind closed doors all of his star witnesses were saying there was none in my favorite example of Evelyn Farkas the former Obama defense official who went on internet in BC and said we know this we know that about the trump campaign's contacts with the Russian their collusion and then when she was nailed down in in the secret testimony they said you didn't actually know anything about anything did you she said no I didn't I didn't know anything there is no collusion and those transcripts what's fascinating about them is what's not in them which is any admission for many of these officials that they ever saw any evidence of collusion hi John Davis of federalist thank you so much for being with us great column today great writing is always we always appreciate you being with us by the way at the bottom of the hour why are Democrats demanding you know mail in ballots everywhere well we're gonna give you a perspective and we'll get your calls also coming up next half hour Hey listen to here it is right now this is now may.
"robert muller" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"Robert Muller's group of the merry band of witch hunters and one would be disobeying the court order to turn over exculpatory evidence against general Flynn that order was given in twenty eighteen by Emmet Sullivan who I can't figure out now for the life of me now another one is misrepresentation of the Papadopoulos cooperation because well we now know that you know that hinder the restaurant but you know this whole thing Muller prosecutors claimed trump volunteer Papadopoulos hinder their investigation but when you look at the classified FBI interviews they revealed that many of Muller's team offered exculpatory information that they withheld the silence about the trump tower meeting exculpatory evidence that they're holding that back I mean that this list goes on and on of all the instances in which they just don't follow normal process sees or or the law or take quote advantage of the chaos the night people their Miranda rights and they've set everyone of these people up they did it it's interesting when you compare that scope memo to the list of people who originally targeted in twenty sixteen the original targets were Carter page Paul man afford George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn they handed out streaming up three of them on stuff that really had nothing to do with the campaign nothing to DO with Russian collusion and what I find most remarkable is what have the Carter page for a year they said he was an illegal agent of the foreign government involved in crime they couldn't find anything on that guy said the fact that you come back after all that they couldn't find anything on anyone and suddenly Rosen Steen tells Mauler to go after the exact same poor people and and at the same time to avoid any scrutiny of fusion GPS or Christopher Steele who is himself working for sanction Russian oligarchs at the time he did the dossier it it shows that the Muller probe from to be very beginning with a scam it wasn't there to get the truth it was there to go after trump and cover up all the dirty deeds that the Obama administration in the call me happy I had been doing for years nobody seems to have picked up Shawn Davis on the fact Obama officials like James clapper for example said on CNN fake news president trump's campaign was aiding and abetting Russia now that we have these newly declassified documents he and almost a he and every other person that went before the house Intel committee they're all saying we saw no evidence at all of trump Russia collusion so I guess what he knew he was under oath he had to tell the truth but pro P. R. purposes he'd lie just like Adam Schiff was hearing from every trump ko every Obama official also saying that we have no evidence but going out to the camera saying we have all this evidence none of it was true right and now we know why Adam Schiff had refused to release all those transcripts even though they've been declassified for more than a year he didn't want the truth to get out he would go on CNN and say I have smoking gun evidence of collusion behind closed doors all of his star witnesses were saying there was none in my favorite example of Evelyn Farkas the former Obama defense official who went on internet NBC and said we know this we know that about the trump campaign's contacts with the Russian their collusion and then when she was nailed down in in the secret testimony they said you didn't actually know anything about anything did you she said no I didn't I didn't know anything there is no collusion and those transcripts what's fascinating about them is what's not in them which is any admission for many of these officials that they ever saw any evidence of collusion hi John Davis of federalist thank you so much for being with us great column today great writing is always we always appreciate you being with us by the way at the bottom of the hour why are Democrats demanding you know mail in ballots everywhere well we're gonna give your perspective and we'll get your calls also coming up next half hour Hey listen to here it is right now this is now may and that's power up your lawn mower month thanks to our friends at hustler turf and of course their dealers all nationwide you just go.
"robert muller" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM
"Towered Robert Muller to begin his special counsel investigation has now been made public this is the long awaited them not released by the DOJ written in August twenty seventeen by then acting Attorney General rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Muller outlining the scope of his investigation revealing that Muller was given a much broader authority to investigate a wider range of alleged crimes that previously known the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsey Graham reacting the legal foundation for Mahler's appointment is crumbling fox news also learning that transcript from house intelligence committee interviews show top intelligence officials affirming they had no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and Russia during the twenty sixteen election fox's Griff Jenkins Republicans have demanded house intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff released the transcripts of interviews conducted in secret so far he's refused despite what the president said Tuesday the White House corona virus task force is not winding down president trump in the oval office explaining why he's reversing course and intends to keep the White House coronavirus task force in place indefinitely I had no idea how popular the task force is until actually yesterday when I started talking about winding it down I get calls from very respected people saying that I think would be better to keep it going it's done such a good job it's a respected task force the president said he intends to add two or three individuals to the task force soon whose focus will be safely reopening America's economy fox's John decker angered one told the dining room was closed because of the corona virus a customer at a McDonald's restaurant in Oklahoma City pulled a gun and started shooting last night two teenage workers hits both expected to be okay the woman who police say pull the trigger it's been arrested America.
"robert muller" Discussed on 760 KFMB Radio
"Anybody thinks Robert Muller was really make the key decisions on a daily basis eight doesn't seem so now I mean it seems unlikely very quickly by the by let me find the correct chart here let's see I'm of the opinions about impeachment because I think the Democrats are aware that a sizeable number of Democrats are in favor of impeachment I mean it's it's a pretty good number I can't remember what the number is almost a hundred in the house now yeah I mean about Democrat voters although that's probably reflected by the number of the house and and so they've just got to take care you know what we're working on it for your work thinking more work and I want to get it together don't you worry world yeah to give those people's enthusiasm up there are very few actual grown ups in the Congress who think for a minute seriously about impeachment because they know it would be disastrous politically and they claim they're not thinking about that but that's a whole Larry is a Larry is the claim wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein is facing sex trafficking charges involving under age girls because he's a rapist of children as wise facing those charges allegedly has been placed now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his cell in a federal jail in New York City so they found in the fetal position in the corner of his cell right marks on his neck right and they don't know if somebody nearby attacked deal or if you tried to hang himself all right I tell you what and I'm not prone to spasms of our wacky do conspiracy theory I don't believe the government has replaced all the birds with drones for instance soccer there are a hell of a lot of people powerful wealthy people who would like nothing better than for this guide and never utter another word on earth again you know I don't even think about that a lot of stupid I am I thought I could see a guy like that commit suicide he's a billionaire the jig is up sure it's it's over he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison and in be disgraced so him kill himself that seems like the logical end of this also we know how on people who abuse children are often treated in prison by people who were abused as children right they really hate that kind of person so him being killed by one of those guys not hard to imagine any that occurred to me that Hillary Clinton or who he's.
"robert muller" Discussed on 850 WFTL
"Robert Muller because on the testimony has to be put in quotes it really hasn't been much testimony frankly I thank you both very kind I think this has been a disaster for the Democrats I think it's been a disaster for the reputation of Robert Muller he is seen very uncertain with this brief he doesn't know seem to know what things that are in the report he's been attacked the number of times and you would think that almost anybody else would have defended his own integrity and the integrity of the investigation and over and over Mahler just six five and allows the the attacks from the Republicans this week over mint says nothing I think it does raise questions about the degree to which he actually was in charge and because of this report because he doesn't seem very much in control or charge of what the final report was I should say whether he was in charge of the investigation all that's accurate Wallace just laid out there I think what's interesting and why it's devastating because you you can come back and say well you're judging based on style more than substance this whole hearing was supposed to be about style like you said earlier Jamie this was supposed to be about you know this dude with a certain amount of gravitas walking into the room and delivering what we've all heard about already in this small report what's your read the full report or not you have not learned anything new today but you didn't know yesterday well early on as I'm watching it and I'm watching you know just more taken the questions and then here all the statements he had a look on his face at least to me several times that was saying you guys are a bunch of hacks this is a joke that I'm even here like when he would look to the next person asking question and it would be that look like are you kidding me there but then the kind of find out okay he might think they're a joke but he's not coming off well either right I I think it's because he knows the whole thing is just a sham this whole hearing is about fundraising for Democrats and to Wallace's point seriously I think it does look way worse for the Democrats because the different Republicans that were making points of like where this whole thing start okay you have these other people Mister Pollard that you found out they lied you charge them but these other ones over here on this side you found out light but nothing happened right that's not a good look now but there's much more to get to well they're in recess now so they're done for the day right now they could have tomorrow is that correct there's another hearing today others today okay I thought it was until tomorrow March first of two hearings are done Muller is now playing bingo I was gonna say what what were you and Bob ready for a nap I was yeah so I listened as boring as a lot of it was in and part of it's not boring it's infuriating could you listen these people go on and on and on cash that is a long day for that dude Philip barber shoppers come in we'll cheer everybody up the levee funding yes we have an update to story yeah the Georgia lawmaker David well we talked earlier this week about Erica Thomas the democratic representative in Georgia who claim that man at a grocery store told her to go back where she came from and he did that emotional Facebook life video where she's crying yes was off he's talking about this man told me to go back where it came from but I people are getting really out of control with his white privilege at the grocery store ten out of the latest yes I have fifty items most pregnant hello keep in mind this is all a hoax yes a good acting Hey this is Vince believable at the time if you just watch it arrive well while it is yes it is also just funny and others have pointed this out she couldn't stand in line for in the regular line for her fifteen items or whatever but she could stand for a long time during a press conference absolutely we're how that works well as adrenaline David come on right late may comes up to me is that.
"robert muller" Discussed on WSB-AM
"Special Robert Muller testifies before Congress once again from that ABC news headquarters here is correspondent Robert Muller was a reluctant witness and at times a confounding one he said he did not exonerate the president but he declined to even utter the word Democrats were waiting to hear impeachment I don't think anything that Muller said shed much light on the impeachment question and that's partly because he didn't get many questions about impeachment so the part of the report on obstruction of justice really declines to draw any conclusions about whether the president committed obstruction of justice offenses right it basically says in light of longstanding DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president we are declining essentially to make any kind of render any kind of judgment about whether whether the president obstructed justice instead we'll simply describe in real detailed these ten separate incidents that seem to have some of the hallmarks of obstruction of justice and you know you have to read them carefully in some it really does seem like the report is saying yeah this is probably a structure of justice some less so so I think a lot of people when you read the reports are said okay is what Mahler's doing here essentially passing the Buck to Congress of the Congress can decide but he didn't really get any questions about that there were these high crimes and misdemeanors I mean and I'm sure he would not have answered that question but it's like a little bit take the okay what are those other constitutional processes in there's a footnote that site the constitutional provisions on impeachment he's talking about impeachment he doesn't say the word and in the hearing he wouldn't say the word either there was also this rather lengthy back and forth about exoneration you wrote a hundred eighty pages a hundred eighty pages about decisions that weren't reach about potential crimes that won't charge your decided and respectfully respectfully by doing that you manage to violate every principle and the most sacred of traditions about prosecutors not offering extra prosecutorial analysis about potential crimes that are charged he says in the press conference in may and he said again during the hearing on that the report does not exonerate the president and so he was really pressed on that well we're just the power to exonerate at all come from and so you know the suggestion being your prosecutor you don't have the power to exonerate anyone so to claim you haven't exonerated the president is essentially to sort of power that you don't have in the first place right said that I think was the charging had to answer you know I I'm not sure he really effectively answered it but I think the real answer is it's true prosecutors don't go around announcing that they have exonerated people very often but here he was in a pretty unique situation which is that he had a very limited set of options available to him right he could find that the president engaged in no wrongdoing but he was precluded by the DOJ policy against indicting sitting president from definitively announcing the president had engaged in criminal wrongdoing on and so in order to avoid the public and maybe Congress drawing the conclusion that there had been no misconduct here at all he just clarified that the non indictment decision wasn't announcement of innocence so we called it you know this was isn't an exoneration I'm actually not sure it matters that much what word he chose because I think it's the idea he was trying to communicate wise this is unusual you don't hear a lot of announcements exoneration because most the time prosecutors have the option to indict and if they don't it's for good reason you know there just isn't evidence to indict in here there's a there's no indictment but it may well be you know not because there isn't evidence but because there's a policy in place that precludes so are we just left with all of that now and it goes into the ether or is there anything perhaps actionable that comes out of this also one thing that came up a couple of times during the hearing was the possibility of the president facing some kind of legal consequences after leaving office could you charge the president with a prime after he left office yes you believe that he committed you could charge the present nine states with obstruction of justice after he left office yes right because the DOD policy against indicting sitting president is only in for so long as the present is a sitting president right there's no immunity for life there's just immunity for the duration of a presidency a tantalizing prospect maybe for for Democrats but we're not sure any prosecutor it certainly will be Robert Muller is going to have an indictment waiting to hand to president trump whenever he leaves office there with our legal contributor here at ABC news Kate Shaw and I I want you to hear how Mahler danced around the the question then of impeachment if not an indictment Veronica Escobar the Congress on the democratic Congress woman asked him about impeachment director Miller at your may twenty nine twenty nineteen press conference you explained that quote the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse the sitting president of wrongdoing end quote that process other than the criminal justice system for accusing a president of wrongdoing is that impeachment I'm not gonna have a comment on that in your report you also wrote that you did not want to quote potentially preamps constitutional process sees for addressing presidential misconduct and quote for the non lawyers in the room what did you mean by quote potentially preempt constitutional processes I'm not gonna try to explain them Robert Muller before Congress earlier today and we will get some final.
"robert muller" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK
"No collusion what a surprise today it's the Republicans were going after Robert Muller who are trying to undercut him his ability his credibility so as one he's always got the other the other position on all this yeah they they did not want him and reading from his report yeah he had a hard enough time he read his opening statement fine but here's Ted Liu cut sixteen asking Bob Pollard to read from his report listless like to now turn to the final element of the crime of obstruction of justice on that same page page ninety seven do you see were there is the intense action on that page so I do see would you be willing to read the first sentence and that was starting with substantial evidence indicates that the president if you read the first sentence would you be willing to that I'm happy to have you in okay I will read it yeah he he I don't know why if he was having trouble eleven little bit trouble finding it I think and I think that's all what you can find it so you read it I don't know what you're talking about Marcia in California Marcia thank you for waiting welcome here all the time from hello hi Tom hi my clock my father would fan unfortunately but for a lot of people in America they have the situation where their parents are in a memory Kerr this election yes and Mauler I mean let's just say the truth well mentally I mean I'm not mentally but he appears to have dementia yeah I'm not a doctor but it did seem like he was had had some confusion and for those of us who have had family members with dementia it kind of looks like that when it starts so I hope not I wish him all the well health that he could possibly have but I don't know he's but the other thing that made a big point of yesterday was this is eighty ninth time before testifying before Congress in his career so it's not like he's never done it before you didn't he did not look nervous he just looked lost which is possible that it could be a memory yeah yeah well your hope as well as that your physical appearance changes he looks so Haggard he was then you know that the Cleveland how late it is bad you know we have to look at the thing I actually saw a lot of people at different stages in the home it's very very difficult it's very fast it is then and for all of us who have gone through that it it's tragic to see someone you love start to lose their ability to remember but all right Marcia thank you I appreciate the call phone numbers eight five five two nine five sixty six hundred Democrat leaders might come to the microphone is so we'll play it for you we'll be right back.
"robert muller" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"Okay so Robert Muller also made a couple of points that really do cut against the democratic case point number one he was asked whether his investigation was curtailed or hindered his answer no it was not then where is the obstruction exactly he was allowed to go forward with his entire investigation he complied with the law you may not have wanted to but he did here is Miller admitting nothing happened with the investigation it anytime when the investigation was your investigation critter over curtailed or stopped or hindered no that's a that's a simple out simple now and then did your investigation established conspiracy Robert Muller the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities well okay well then then at least did you find evidence of culpability in in all of this Robert Muller is it true the evidence gathered during investigation did not establish that the president was involved in the underlying crime related to Russian election interferes as stated in volume one page seven we felt that insufficient evidence of presents called culpability so they will be yes with that rule what I'm pardon me yes yes thank you but Robert Miller you know it's interesting because you know you suggested that you could exonerate president trump surely you have other instances where you have ruled on exoneration surely there are other instances in which you said the same thing that you can't clear somebody surely that's happened a lot hasn't it Robert Miller give me the example other than Donald Trump for the justice department to determine that in investigative person was not exonerated because innocence was not conclusively determined hi can I put this evening okay well you can't time is short I've got five minutes let's just leave it you can't find it because I'll tell you why it doesn't exist it was not the special counsel's job to conclusively determine Donald trump's innocence or to exonerate him because the bedrock principle of our justice system is a presumption of innocence it exists for everyone everyone is entitled to it including.
"robert muller" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600
"Robert Muller is completed testifying before two house committees today boxes Jessica stone joins us live from Washington and rich Miller open in the afternoon hearing with a bomb shell he issued a clarification of earlier testimony saying DOJ guidance barring a sitting president from being formally charged did not keep him from deciding not to pursue an indictment so Muller says he told Democrat Patrick Maloney he regrets he didn't get to interview president trump in person what do you think the president's written responses Mr Miller Hey it's certainly not as useful as the interview would be Mahler admitting that he did not sit in on many of the interviews referred to in his report though the president tweeting quote from fox analyst Chris Wallace saying this is been a disaster for Mahler's reputation rich just Kerr early reports that were three can governor Ricardo row say would resign countered by his spokesman who says he is not step down the governor is meeting with his cabinet at this moment we should know more within the hour protest of group the US territory since online chats between the governor and his aides leaked showing the politicians mocking constituents women and hurricane victims Facebook facing billions in fines for violations of privacy the finest five billion dollars but FTC chairman Joseph Simon says the terms also mandates strict measures to change the way the company addresses consumers privacy and holds Facebook and it's going to annex executives accountable for the decisions they make about privacy in the future Facebook has more than two billion users worldwide and faces similar probes in Canada and across Europe on privacy issues fox's colonel Scott stocks mixed today the Dow pulled down by earnings reports from Boeing and caterpillar the Dow dropping seventy nine points the S. and P. up fourteen with the nasdaq seventy.
"robert muller" Discussed on WJR 760
"And with that Robert Muller is standing up legs a little stiff after a long day of testimony the molar testimony is now over about seven hours after it first began the former special counsel the reluctant witness who was subpoenaed to appear today before the house Judiciary in that intelligence committees he like his work would offer no opinions on guilt or innocence as to whether his probe was a witch hunt as the president's often said Moller said it wasn't he frustrated lawmakers both Republican and Democrat what he said he could not talk about the origins of the Russia investigation and the often cited steel dossier Mahler preferred yes and no answers and refused to read from the report which he defended along with its authors and investigators the morning session tackled the second part of the mother investigation the issue of obstruction to which Mahler said the report either found guilty nor exam special report Muller testifies former special counsel Robert Muller is trying to keep his comments about the Russia probe in strict agreement with the words in the published report often even asking what page numbers the representatives are basing their questions on before answering yes or no house intelligence committee member Peter Welch of Vermont Democrat did try and succeed in getting Muller to agree with the principle unless there was enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you would make a charge correct generally education making that decision does not mean your investigation failed to turn up evidence of conspiracy of three correct ranking Republican Devin newness attacked the legitimacy of the hearings themselves hearings political theater it's a hell merry attempt to convince the American people that collusion is real earlier Nunez said there was collusion between the Russians and the Democratic Party to attack president trump's credibility now the hearings have.
"robert muller" Discussed on KMJ NOW
"Engaged in conversation with Robert Muller wanted peace drop but we are grateful the need to act in an ethical manner is not just a moral one but when people act unethically it also exposes them to compromise particularly in dealing with foreign powers is that true true because when someone acts unethically in connection with a foreign partner that foreign partner can later expose their wrong doing and Stourton throw and that conduct that unethical conduct can be of a financial nature if you have a financial motive or illicit business dealings all right yes but it also just involve deception if you are lying about something that can be exposed and you can be black males also true in the case of Michael Flynn he was secretly doing business with Turkey correct yes and that could open him up to compromise that financial relationship I presume he also lied about his discussions with the Russian ambassador and since the Russians were on the other side of the conversation they could have exposed that could they not yes if a presidential candidate was doing business in Russia saying he wasn't Russians could expose that too could they not careful I leave that to you yeah I knew well lets you want an answer that one of the spokesperson for the crime when someone that the trump organization was in contact with the make that deal happen your part in case that Michael Cohen had a long conversation on the phone with someone for Dmitry Peskov as office presumably the Russians could record that conversation could they not yes and so if Canibus again as an option who is the current chair of the intelligence committee this is the individual who said over and over again he has seen with his own eyes it's the stuff of counterintelligence evidence of collusion obstruction all of this I mean we've heard him you know what he said strong is any of that coming up today no entity it does indeed and well this was revealed notice everything is being sent right now is being sent a third person instant Niles the present was confronted about this and he said two things first of all that's not a crime but I think you and I've already agreed that that shouldn't be the standard right mistral true but it's not I think you said was why should I miss out on all those opportunities I mean why indeed nearly running a presidential campaign why should you miss out on making all that money was the import of his statement were you ever able to ascertain whether Donald Trump still intends to build that tower when he leaves office the question is not relevant to ascertain because he wouldn't answer your questions completely whether or if he ever ended that desire to build that tower like I speculate on that anyway Adam Schiff Robert Muller in their exchange during this testimony over the house intelligence committee if you hearing the promotion of the promo that we ran right before the spot break about the democratic debates this is off the subject did you see this thing over the weekend on CNN called the draw this was the funniest thing I've ever seen having to do with any presidential election because there are so many people running for president the democratic side the CNN folks decided in their wisdom that they were going to have to draw names to be fair despite this up into two different groups so it doesn't look like they were stacking individuals against certain individuals so they have this thing called the draw it was a big news event the door it was even sponsored they sold a sponsorship to the draw so what this was they had about eight different camera angles right left center center right center left above below to insure that the names being drawn from one box we're being put fairly into another box to put together the order of the individuals that these Arab running individuals running for president we're going to be appearing on what night and in what group it was that they took it so seriously that's what was so funny about it yet to see if they get it it was like something just manager was going on but it wasn't it was simply dividing up a bunch of names out of a box to determine who's going to be in this group on that day and is going to be on this group all that day and even made money on what little money they're making over at CNN but if you saw it you know what I'm talking about it was just downright funny something is not gonna be funny local event coming up Monday night one remind you about something I'm very proudly involved in there is a aggregation of young and older musicians called the summer community band and they do these free concerts during the summer that's why they're called the summer to really matter right and they've got one coming up Monday night at the us to go in performance hall on the campus Clovis north I rehearsed with him the other night I'm gonna be the narrator in portraying all the characters in the children's classical piece called Peter and the wolf and it was I've done this before about five different times with different musical groups and but this is about a seventy sixty piece orchestra they sound wonderful in this thing is also accompanied with a bunch of video slides in this big screen above the of the.
"robert muller" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"I'm telling you this is what they're going to say write it down this is happening now could be three or four variations of that but that's the theme they're gonna go with if you can't get him to change any level of what he says between his words in the actual testimony itself then they have no other option have to throw Robert Muller under the bus they must have known what he was going to do what he was going to say and how he was going to say it let me share of quote with you this from the president hello Sir this is been a disaster he wrote on Twitter this is been a disaster for the Democrats in a disaster for the reputation of Robert Muller that's true but I bury the lead because the quote is in from him he's quoting someone Chris Wallace a fox news Chris Wallace and I quote this is been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Muller Democrats had to know this going in they had to know he wasn't up to it going in is not the first rule you know what the defendant's going to say you know what the question to be asked you know how it's going to flow they're already backed themselves into a corner because they desperately need impeachment because the base is demanding it so now that doesn't does what we do we can't use his words to get to where we want to go so we have to have a sacrificial lamb we have to let him go and under the bus goes Robert Muller watch it's gonna happen I'm twenty.
"robert muller" Discussed on WJR 760
"You Robert Muller will have a long time associate appear alongside him to help him when he testified to Congress Democrats on two committees will question baller about his investigation Democrats want evidence of wrongdoing by president trump to come out of the hearings but trump is not the only target listen to congressman Adam Schiff chairman of the house intelligence committee talking about the remaining open investigations against trump and some of his associates we are determined to ride shotgun to the best that we are able to find out if there is any improper political influence over any of these other cases and at the end of the day to find out whether there was any proper role of bill Barr Matt Whitaker or anything else in any of the key points in the main investigation you will hear all of the testimony live here on WJR the hearing is open at eight thirty our time Democrats are trying to get a hold of president trump's tax returns through the state of New York correspondent Steve past involves says the president has gone to court to try to stop that the president is suing to stop the house from seeing his New York state tax returns a few weeks ago a law was enacted here that requires agencies to hand over the tax returns of a president vice president and other people holding some elected offices if Congress asks for them as part of an investigation presuming they lived in New York and filed taxes here the president's lawyers say it's a thinly veiled attempt to get information about president trump's personal finances in order to publicly embarrass him they're suing the house ways and means committee in addition to new York's Attorney General and other state officials Steve casting about New York a nonprofit that operates a new U. S. government holding facility for illegal migrant youths says the last teenagers detain there will leave by the end of the week here's reporter click metal executives with the San Antonio nonprofit BC FSA the facility in core resource springs Texas should be empty by Thursday it was opened by the US department of health and Human Services just a month ago but officials say it's opening came just as border crossing started to fall and processing sped up releasing children quicker the facility set on the side of a formal oilfield campaign was meant to taking children detained by border patrol but now the core resource spring site is closing down the head of the CFS told vice news it was too much too late Clayton level Dallas in the face of much high profile coverage in the national news media we've told you that the victims compensation fund for nine eleven first responders would pass easily well it has the Senate gave final legislative approval they'll is passed the bill but the nine eleven victim compensation fund through twenty ninety helping individuals who were injured during the to the and one attacks and its aftermath rescuing people and removing debris under hazardous conditions the house passed a bill earlier this month and president Donald Trump is expected to sign it in Washington on Camilla Burnell reporting did Neil Armstrong die in twenty twelve because of medical errors by doctors the family of Neil Armstrong received a six million dollar settlement from the hospital where he died in Ohio according to a probate court file here's more legendary astronaut Neil Armstrong died in Cincinnati seven years ago in what was attributed to complications from coronary bypass surgery but according to The New York Times Armstrong sons later threatened to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Fairfield hospital and hired a heart expert to review the medical records the expert concluded not only that the hospital made fatal mistakes but also that the surgery was probably a necessary in the first place DD you says about twenty thousand homes and businesses are still without power in southeast Michigan four Clio Michigan teenagers may be sentenced as adults in their guilty pleas to throwing rocks from on I seventy five over past north of flint a six pound rock went through a windshield and killed a man the four teens were between fifteen and seventeen when the incident occurred a Detroit man was shot and wounded by a gas station clerk overnight who was shooting at another man for stealing potato chips the clerk in the chip the four arrested.
"robert muller" Discussed on AP News
"Robert Muller, and to demand full unredacted version of his report as Democrats pursue investigating possible. Obstruction of Justice as described in the Muller reports resident touted the bottom line conclusions as laid out by attorney general William Barr. No, obstruction, no collusion than ever was by the way, and they never will be. That's not exactly what the report says though, it does state. There's no evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, but it does not clear the president of obstructing Justice and gives details about his bids to derail the investigation by pushing for Bob Muller's firing among other things efforts at says were largely knocked down by those around the president in one dramatic moment. The report recounts Trump's reaction when Muller was appointed. Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the. The end of my presidency. Saga megani at the White House. A federal appeals court has kept in place three California laws intended to protect immigrants from being nabbed by Thorens in court or at their places of work. The partner of the Minneapolis police officer on trial for fatally shooting a woman in twenty seventeen says that he didn't fire. It Justin Damon after hearing a noise because he hadn't fully analyzed the situation. He agreed when prosecutors asked if it was premature to use deadly force Instagram now admits millions more users were affected by a password security lapse than first reported last month. Now, they say employees had access to millions of passwords a well-known. US mountain climber is presumed to have died in an avalanche at Canada's Banff national park. AP.
"robert muller" Discussed on 710 WOR
"Robert Muller says, there's no collusion. And now President Trump is ready to slam and shame. The media CNN reports the president is planning to attack the media, and we'll even call for reporters who made false allegations about him to be fired press secretary, Sarah Sanders blasted the media outside the White House this morning. I think Democrats and the liberal media should be absolutely embarrassed by their behavior over the last two years in their breathless reporting and their hope it's not just that they reported and spread a slanderous malicious lie, but they hoped for the take down of the president of the United States. She says it's a disgrace it the investigation took two years and cost twenty five million dollars in taxpayer money, but Democrats are moving forward political battle over. The Muller report is just getting started Democrats are demanding the full report and the underlying evidence, and they're already calling for the attorney general to testify soon here. You're on the hill. They are setting the stage for some intense scrutiny. Democrats are not questioning the no collusion finding but they are zeroing in on questions of obstruction of Justice Muller was unwilling to fully exonerate the president and Democrats want to know why that is correspondent Mary Bruce former Manhattan US attorney pre Perot telling good Morning, America. Obstruction is still an open question on the issue of obstruction? We're sort of not done. It seems to me that it was a very it was very close case by decided not to make a determination about whether or not charge could be brought and you only do that. If they're substantial evidence the big question now is what else might be in. The report reportedly Lennon's Dan Abrahams says it could be a lot we still don't know. This letter was written very carefully even though it was quick. And it was fast. The language is really important. And there's no question there's a digital material that we don't know about. But you have to be clear. This is a big win for the president. The fact that on the most important issue collusion conspiracy with the Russians Robert Muller did not find any evidence of that. The Democrats say they want the entire report made public on Staten Island today the man accused of gunning down the Gambino family crime boss faces arraignment a heavy security detail expected to escort Anthony camello back from protective custody in jersey to Staten Island were face. A judge in word is police have security camera footage of camello shooting and killing reputed Gambino crime family, boss, Francesco, Frankie Boyer, Kelly. This was outside Kelly, Staten Island home earlier in the month and still no word from police on a motive here. But there's a theory. This was over the twenty four year old dating Kelly's niece. I'm Scott Pringle for seven ten double the OR, New Jersey votes today on a plan to legalize marijuana not clear, but will actually pass. But these people think it might happen. Yeah. I think the pass it. They want the tax money..
"robert muller" Discussed on KNST AM 790
"I love me. Some me. I'm sure you love me some meat you want to see some more for free. I'll be on Fox News channel Sunday morning around eleven thirty do not miss. As Robert Muller writes, his report, a potential battle brews over obstruction of Justice. This is a CNN wish peace. Meaning this is a piece CNN has published hoping that it is true. The upshot of this is is that Muller has been monitoring. And taking note of every public statement, Donald Trump has made and is asking himself. If Trump is trying to tamper with a future jury tamper with witnesses or obstruct Justice in his press conferences, this is how nothing they've got. This is FOX on Justice score one for the police and against the ninth circuit in two thousand thirteen policemen. Eskin Dido California responded to a reported domestic incident at the home of Mardian Maggie. Emmons for a few minutes. There was a standoff, no and opened the door. But then Marty Yemen's came out police video footage shows Emmons was quickly pushed to the ground and handcuffed. Emmons sued claiming excessive force was used a federal judge tossed the suit saying Emmons did not offer evidence of wrongdoing and police had probable cause. But the ninth circuit court of appeals considered by many to be liberal leaning went the other way allowing the excessive force case to move forward. The city of Escondido appeal to the US supreme court, which is now ruled reversing the ninth circuit decision tossing out the claim against one officer and regarding a second officer ordering the lower court to determine if police violated any laws in the way, they handled the situation with.
"robert muller" Discussed on NPR Politics Podcast
"And why he didn't think that the president could be charged with obstruction of Justice, which you you gotta figure he's going to be asked about that. E will be asked about that. And he has been about that in fact in the meeting with Lindsey Graham yesterday, Lindsey Graham said he asked him about the Miller investigation, and what he protected and Graham ca essentially came out and said he was told that he would protect the Miller investigation that he did not believe Robert Muller was on a witch hunt. And also dropped a little bit of trivia to note that Bill Barr and Robert Muller are in the words above our good friends, and even Lindsey Graham said publicly to reporters, I didn't even know they were that close. I fact check this. And it's true. It is true that they are good friends. It is true. That Muller has attended the weddings of attorney general nominee, Bill bars. Children and their spouses know, each other, and that is all true. And I think that is something it's a it's a minor piece of trivia. But I think it's major in that that is the kind of thing I think you will hear. A lot of Republicans point to in the rationale for why they believe that they can trust bar is that personal relationship. And I think partly it's true as Gary said, but also I think that is something that will we will probably hear a lot about next week in terms of giving his nomination, you know, giving people cover to say, you know, I believe in my trust it can vote for him. And there is another item that comes out of this, which is that rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general we've talked about a lot on this podcast who's been overseeing the Russian destination. He would leave if bars confirmed. Yeah, word from inside Justice is that rod Rosenstein who will have been in the job for nearly two years. Probably run the time that Boris confirmed. If he is in fact, confirmed is thinking about leaving there may be some period of overlap where these two men kind of exchange information and work alongside each other for a little while. But in a way, it's normal. It's natural. It's not one of these situations that some progressives and people on the left in. Including some Democrats in congress feared where Rosenstein is getting pushed out by Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is I'm gonna take the Muller investigation over and control it himself. The issue is listen when you get a new boss at the top of a department that new person generally gets to pick his or her number two and rod Rosenstein seems to understand that acknowledged that and is leaving kind of on his own accord as opposed to being pushed off the plank. All right. We are going to take a quick break. And when we get back can't let it go support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the Ford Foundation working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide to address inequality in all its forms. Learn more at Ford Foundation dot org. Hey, it's guy-roger here. And on the next how I.