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THE NEWS with Anthony Davis
"robert muller" Discussed on THE NEWS with Anthony Davis
"Show. Coming up on 5 minute news. Court says Trump's AG wrongly withheld facts of Russia investigation. Lindsey Graham wins reprieve from testifying in Georgia election probe. And car bomb kills daughter of prominent Russian propagandist. It's Monday, August 22. I'm Anthony Davis. The Justice Department under former attorney general William Barr, improperly withheld portions of an internal memo bar sighted in announcing that then president Donald Trump had not obstructed justice in the Russia investigation, a federal appeals panel has said. At issue in the case is a March 24 2019 memorandum from the head of the Justice Department's office of legal counsel and another senior department official that was prepared for bar to evaluate whether evidence in special counsel Robert Muller's investigation could support prosecution of the president for obstruction of justice, Barr has said he looked to that opinion in concluding that Trump did not illegally obstruct the Russia probe, which was an investigation of whether his campaign had colluded with Russia to tip the 2016 election. A year later, a federal judge sharply rebuked Barr's handling of the Mueller report, saying Barr had made misleading public statements to spin the investigation's findings in favor of Trump and had shown a lack of candor. The appeals court decision said the internal Justice Department memo noted that Muller had declined to accuse president Trump of obstructing justice specifically of obstructing justice, but had also declined to exonerate him. The internal memo said the reports failure to take a definitive position could be read to imply an accusation against president Trump if released to the public the court wrote. Sitting presidents are generally protected from criminal charges on grounds it would undermine their ability to perform the office's constitutional duties. The Justice Department, like Muller, took as a given that the constitution would bar the prosecution of a sitting president. The appeals court wrote, which meant the decision that Trump wouldn't be charged had already been made and couldn't be shielded from public release. An appeals court put on hold U.S. senator Lindsey Graham's scheduled testimony for Tuesday before a grand jury in Georgia, probing efforts by Donald Trump to overturn the former president's 2020 election defeat, with the case returning to a lower court for another look. A federal judge on Monday had rejected Graham's challenge to the subpoena to testify before the grand jury. Graham, a Republican, had argued his position as a U.S. senator, provided him immunity from having to appear before the investigative panel. Sunday's order by the Atlanta based 11th U.S. circuit Court of Appeals comes as a temporary reprieve for Graham, who otherwise would have had to testify tomorrow. Testimony from Graham, a close ally of Trump, could shed further light on the coordinated effort by Trump's team to reverse the 2020 results. The appeals court gave Graham a new chance to challenge the subpoena based on protections for lawmakers under the U.S. Constitution's speech or debate clause that provision can protect lawmakers from being compelled to discuss legislative activity. The grand jury wants to question Graham about at least two phone calls he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad raffensperger and his staff in the weeks following the November 2020 election in which Graham explored the possibility of reexamining absentee ballots according to prosecutors. The Georgia probe is one among several legal troubles faced by the former president. The special grand jury in Fulton county, Georgia, is undertaking a criminal investigation into alleged wrongdoing. Trump was recorded in a January 2nd phone call, pressuring a top state official to find enough votes to overturn his loss to Biden in the state. The daughter of an influential Russian political theorist often referred to as Putin's brain, was killed in a car bombing on the outskirts of Moscow, authorities said on Sunday. The Moscow branch of the Russian investigative committee said preliminary information indicated 29 year old TV commentator Dario dugue was killed by an explosive, planted in the SUV she was driving on Saturday night. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but the bloodshed gave rise to suspicions that the intended target was her father, Alexander dugan, a nationalist philosopher and writer. Dugan is a prominent proponent of the Russian world concept, a spiritual and political ideology that emphasizes traditional values. The restoration of Russia's power and the unity of all ethnic Russians throughout the world. He's also a vehement supporter of Russian president Vladimir Putin's move, sending troops into Ukraine. The explosion took place as his daughter was returning from a cultural festival she had attended with him. Russian media reports cited witnesses as saying the SUV belonged to dugan and that he had decided at the last minute to travel in another vehicle. The car bombing, unusual for Moscow, is likely to aggravate tensions between Russia and Ukraine, while dugan's exact ties to Putin are unclear, the Kremlin frequently echoes rhetoric from his writings and appearances on Russian state TV. Dugan herself was sanctioned by the United States in March for her work as chief editor of united world international, a website that the U.S. described as a disinformation source. The sanctions announced sighted a united world article this year that contended Ukraine would perish if it were admitted to NATO. You can subscribe to 5 minute news on YouTube with your preferred podcast app, ask your smart speaker or enable 5 minute news as your Amazon Alexa flash briefing skill. Subscribe, rate, and review online at 5 minute dot news. 5 minute news is an evergreen podcast covering politics, inequality, health and climate delivering independent, unbiased and essential world news.
AP News Radio
Appeals court orders release of some Mueller report passages
"Hi hi Mike Mike Rossi Rossi reporting reporting an an appeals appeals court court orders orders the the release release of of some some older older reports reports passages passages a a federal federal appeals appeals court court has has ruled ruled to to the the justice justice department department can't can't disclose disclose certain certain redacted redacted passages passages from from the the Russia Russia investigation investigation report report compiled compiled by by special special counsel counsel Robert Robert Muller Muller that that relate relate to to individuals individuals who who were were investigated investigated by by prosecutors prosecutors but but not not charged charged the the ruling ruling came came in in a a public public records records complaint complaint from from the the news news organization organization buzzfeed buzzfeed the the three three judge judge panel panel ruled ruled passages passages buzzfeed buzzfeed sued sued to to see see can can be be disclosed disclosed because because they they involve involve facts facts available available elsewhere elsewhere in in the the report report specifically specifically the the appeals appeals court court said said the the justice justice department department must must disclose disclose redacted redacted information information about about the the Muller Muller team's team's decision decision not not to to prosecute prosecute an an unnamed unnamed person person for for campaign campaign finance finance violations violations buzzfeed buzzfeed contends contends that that person person is is likely likely Donald Donald Trump Trump junior junior Mike Mike Crossey Crossey out out Washington Washington
AP News Radio
Russian analyst who worked on Steele dossier charged with lying to FBI
"A Russian analysts who provided information for a dossier used during the trump Russia investigation has been charged with lying to the FBI the case was brought as part of special counsel John dorms investigation into the origins of the F. B. I.'s probe of ties between Donald trump's twenty sixteen presidential campaign and Russia a grand jury indictment issued in federal court in Virginia charges Igor Danchenko with five counts of false statements to the FBI about his sources of information Danchenko functioned as a source for Christopher Steele a former British spy paid by Democrats to examine trump's Russia ties Steele's dossier was used by federal authorities as they sought surveillance warrants targeting a former trump campaign aide however it had no role in launching the investigation led by special counsel Robert Muller Ben Thomas
The Daily Beans
"robert muller" Discussed on The Daily Beans
"University in the public venue because he was running for it because it became a big public issue to help him in the election in a sense because why it kept him in the news it was. They were talking about it all the time so it was. The trump university was a topic and people that were attacking them about trump university. He just kept on shoving it off but he knew that the trial wasn't until after the election should he didn't care what was happening to that point because he probably knew that ultimately would have to settle because the facts were so overwhelmingly devastating against him. Yeah it's i mean that's kind of the only way out of it right but it's unfortunately sometimes it's doesn't feel like enough you know and they're and the right guess. There's really not much we can do about that. But you know something interesting that you bring up here in your book. Is that you talk about how. Donald expects his lawyers to do anything that he says including br break. The law one of his lawyers is in prison. Another one is on the way rudy. Giuliani were learning. News today You know this you know wh here. In in september that eastman had drafted a six point memo. For how pence could overturn the election. Enough follow the constitution. We have don mcgann being asked to not only fire robert muller but to falsified documents that he was even asked i mean he he's always asking for his roy cohn and so talk a little bit about your experience with you know trump expecting his lawyers and underlings to do anything they ask regarding even if they have to break the law to do it. We'll talk about your experience with that in this case so this is the schools in the broken. There's actually.
CATS Roundtable
"robert muller" Discussed on CATS Roundtable
"We can just trust the to release all of the information that hold. Saudi arabia accountable. We've seen four. Presidents republicans and democrats very different styles very different belief systems all in bed figuratively with saudi arabia. Saudi arabia has a stranglehold on the annals of government. The only veto congress ever overrode of president obama was obama trying to stop the nine eleven families from suing the government of saudi arabia. Now why would that be the one hill that he dies on the last thing. I'll mention john. In terms of things that i find incredibly suspicious after doing a lot of research on this is the anthrax attacks that came out as a result of september eleventh now. The whole country was terrified. Some people even die. Tom brokaw had some anthrax sent to his as his office. There and i we were told by people like john mccain. That iraq was responsible for this. Just so happens. There was a group of people trying to get us to go to war with iraq. We were told by dick. Cheney and others that it was al qaeda that was responsible for it. Then john ashcroft and robert muller they publicly blamed this one guy. Bruce ivins publicly and said he was the guy responsible turns out the guy was completely innocent and because they publicly lambasted. This guy we the taxpayers had to spend millions of dollars paying off this guy. Bruce ivins so then they ultimately pinned the blame on this fellow steven hatfill who just so happens conveniently managed to commit suicide before he could ever be convicted or put on trial for his role in the anthrax attacks. It just strikes me. John as two convenient in terms of timing two convenient in terms of what it led to in terms of government surveillance and giving up certain civil liberties and two convenient that this person that they decided to pin it on killed himself so i have some questions with respect to these anthrax attacks and what ties may have existed to the september eleventh. And those unwinded abilities from streak down. Yeah well that's the leading question that the engineers that i've spoken to have asked and that's one of the things that they point to as evidence of a controlled demolition and not the it being the result of fire with these engineers say is. That's what happens when there's a controlled demolition. The people on the other side say well look if there were explosives there. Then you would have seen somebody in the weeks running up to september eleventh planting explosives the lawyers and the engineers that i've spoken to. They don't think that's the case. They think that you could have easily. There was an elevator renovation. That took place that you could have gotten explosive explosives in that way but Apparently there is some precedent including a building that collapsed in tehran in a similar manner but as strange as the twin towers were coming straight down. There's even some more questions from these engineers and architects that i've spoken to about world trade center seven. There was no plane that hit world trade center seven. So why would happen. World trade seven seven. They built the emergency thing obsidian under twenty seventh floor..
Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior
"robert muller" Discussed on Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior
"Weapons as a matter of national security. Now is the time to get. Tough on the kremlin ukraine style. Or going to be stuck under republican. One party rule and putin will be gleeful. Yeah absolutely i. It's interesting that we're now at the thirty year. Mark of the collapse of the soviet union and the the independence of not just ukraine But a number of states That were part of the soviet union. And its you know. Received is kind of little fanfare in a very different from the twenty fifth anniversary of the twentieth anniversary. And i think obviously it's because we're dealing with a global plague with unparalleled rise in this century of autocracy with the basically the reversion of a lot of these newly independent states or satellite states From the worst pact countries like hungary and poland into more repressive forms of government Both depressing to look at and it's also being subsumed by all these greater global crises but it is I think essential to look at it. It's essential to revisit the question of who won the cold war. Because you've answered that question with what you were just saying. Corruption won the cold war. Mafia states won the cold war both in the former. Ussr and in the west. You know what we've seen over the last thirty years. Is that this division. That i think people like to make between oligarchs and plutocrats between You know the business world. The lissette or legal business world and the illicit world of the mafia and the underground that boundary was blurred long ago. And i think digital media and companies like facebook Or data mining companies like cambridge analytica and its successors brought that home. Even more and of course culminated in the twenty sixteen elections Both here with trump but also in the uk with brexit and. It's amazing to me that we are now five years after that point that point which we knew in real time you know marked the end unless there is going to be transparency unless there is going to be accountability and unless there is going to be an accurate historical narrative of how we got to this point to begin with and they're kind of was initially in two thousand sixteen there were things like the panama. There were emphasizing global corruption. offshore accounts. how that collides. With dictatorship how that collides with the loss of you know freedom of speech freedom of expression in all of these other basic rights. That had been suppressed in that people were so thrilled. Had finally come to the former soviet union and come to eastern europe and therefore eliminating the need for You know some east dot outlets but it's really grim. And i think everything that you just described with merckel and putin and nord stream two highlights that you know. They've decided to treat off all of our freedoms all of our progress all of our rights. We are increasingly all in the same sinking boat. And it's the literal sinking boat in the era of climate change climate catastrophe in the era of unparalleled fires and floods. And so you know this is the kind of stuff we talk about on a regular basis on gasoline nation. Severa if you're new to the show welcome. Welcome to the glitz I laid out in my book hiding in plain sight but it's distressing to see kind of the refusal to look at the big picture here. Because trump coming into power led to for example hollow the kovic pandemic was handled. It leads you how the twenty twenty election was handled in the very predictable. Very disastrous attempted coup the aftermath of that has led to other lack of accountability for the organizers of that attempted coup who were the same people who were involved in illicit activity during the two thousand sixteen election. People like roger stone or michael. Flynn or steve bannon. We're living in an era of utter lack of accountability and feel t to hostile. Foreign that is less accurately defined as a matter of you know state versus state than as a collaboration between the worst most corrupt and most hostile operators within those states. And again this is not a buried history. This is something we observed. In real time we documented it in real time and yet we are constantly confronted with the congress fainting selective amnesia over and over again feigning shock to avoid accountability because that allows them to make these kind of dirty deals Like they're doing with nord stream two like they're doing with basically overlooking extreme human rights violations. Not just from putin's russia but from saudi arabia from israel from other countries. You know that are involved in what we've described as a transnational criminal network very elite one a very high brow one when that wraps stealth in respectability politics but nonetheless is transnational organized crime. It is bizarre to me. That we had a kremlin acid inhabiting the white house for four years. And we all know this. This may sound like the controversial and contentious claim. It probably didn't sound like once a year ago or two years ago or three years ago or whenever you still had your last flickering faith in robert muller our institutions and institutionalists failed us. They helped the enemy. They helped suppress information. They helped make people not recognize what was immediately in front of that trump placating a foreign power prostrating himself to a foreign leader asking foreign leaders like putin for you know for example hillary clinton's emails at a press conference in two thousand sixteen having decade long histories with the russian mafia with russian oligarchs in his campaign. Stop of course did as well and ended up being indicted like this is not a mysterious crime in that sense What's mysterious about. It is the refusal to confront it or just kind of consider what are the ramifications of this for our national security now what are the ramifications for our foreign policy. It's just weird. It's not in the self interest of america were of the biden administration to look the other way. It never has been you know. The president of the united states with a foreign asset and the next administration came in and shrugged it off. They were putting a nail in a coffin with a vampire still breathing in grinning inside. That's the juncture that we're at right now and i know that there are all these other horrific crises that kind of you know. Prompt people that this desire to put this all in the past. But you can't because the crises that were experiencing now whether the pandemic or climate catastrophes or global corruption or the rise of autocracy are all linked to that election result in the administration that followed and the deals that were made under the auspices of that administration. So we need accurate history. We need to be looking back. And if you know the thirty year anniversary of the fall of the soviet union Somewhat illusory fall certainly in terms of surveillance mafia state corruption if that prompt some reflection then good but i fear it will. This episode of gasoline nation is sponsored by best fiends. A puzzle game. You can play on your phone. We're way past due for less.
The Sean Hannity Show
"robert muller" Discussed on The Sean Hannity Show
"And eric eggers continue now. Jason aphids and eric eggers of the government accountability institute. You know. i mean this is where we always seem to come back to and that is i. Don't i don't care if it's manafort or it's popadopoulos or it's general. Flynn our old friend Or it's roger stone or or any of the people in and around donald trump. I i mean for the very same things and even when worse things happen. Nothing happens to them. I can only conclude jason chavitz and please correct me. If i'm wrong. That america has a dual justice system that equal justice under the law doesn't exist as it used to equal application of our laws certainly doesn't exist I know the the democrats for example. They they want to get to the bottom of january sixth okay they put together their. They're biased commission that has a predetermined outcome and kicked off. People might have a different line of questioning. Like jim banks and jim jordan What about the five hundred seventy four. Riots took place last summer. That they denied never talked about and even offer. Aided in an embedded in from a moral standpoint like kamala harris tweeting out a bell fund to get people out of jail involved in the rioting. But you know. Nearly three thousand cops were hurt We had you know arson all over the place city blocks taken over in some cases but nobody wants a commission on that one. Tell me how that's that. A riot to me is a riot. What happened on the six never happen again. What happened all summer last summer cam happening and either and add on top of that sean The democrats are in control the senate and house. There's not one single investigation leading into the origins of the of the virus. So you know they their ability and desire to get to the truth but the going back to this. I gotta tell you what stunning about this is as inspector general they have badges. They got gun just like fbi agents when they went to go get the telephone guess. What magically disappeared. There were text messages for long periods of time. In question of ages that they know had contact with reporters. Guess what those text messages are now missing and so if you are either way earned more than half. The phones from robert muller's investigation missing also price the price. There's no consequence and the department of justice will actually slapped them handcuffs and charge people not just allow them to retire. Take the full retirement. Do those types of things. This culture is not going to change. This has gotten worse. Not better when you have more than fifty fbi agent you. And i like to talk about how the rank and file thirty six thousand people. You know. i'll do good job. But you know what. I'm starting to look around at that building there in washington. Dc has proved to me that you're a good guy at this point because you are not doing your job. This is systemic. Look i had secret service agents going out to me more than forty of them and inspector general comes out and say what they did is illegal. No what was the secret service going after you for well by the way you know. You're you're somebody that really does need to be watched. Twenty four seven and be honest. I know you for a long time. But i'm kidding. No they dove into my personnel records. They started to spread false lies. Yeah inspector general. No nothing happened to any of these people. It is a culture in it is pervasive and it goes one direction by the way Somebody you mean..
The Big Story
"robert muller" Discussed on The Big Story
"You're listening to a frequency podcast network production. If you learned that canada's security intelligence service was warning us about foreign interference in what should be an upcoming election. What would you picture. Probably this kind of stuff right jazz. Last month a special counsel investigating russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. Robert muller indicted thirteen russian nationals and charge them with tampering with the us election. We'll make treatment accuses the russians. Who worked out of this building in moscow of stealing american identities setting up fake accounts on facebook and other social media sites and spreading false and inflammatory information. It is true that canada has long been planning for attempts to disrupt our elections via disinformation and social media. But that's not what ceases who's warning us about this time instead as everyone wonders when canadians will go to the polls. Our intelligence agency is on the lookout for things that you might have thought were left behind in favor of cyber-attacks hacking and bots. They're warning us about things like blackmail bribery and full fashion threats to people who they feel can move the needle in one place or another so which nations exactly is ceases watching for and what are those nations goals. How tangible are the threats to our election. And how have we weathered these kind of attacks. In the past what's changed. As intelligence agencies have become more and more adept at finding disinformation and cyber attacks and given that. We're preparing for just about anything right now. What still keeps people in canada's intelligence community up at night jordan meath rawlings. This is the big story. Stephanie carbon is an associate professor at carleton university. More importantly for today's conversation. She is the author of stand on guard. Reassessing threats to canada's national security. Hey stephanie why don't we start with this We're expecting an election sometime soon. And there's a new cease report out about foreign interference..
Mueller, She Wrote
"robert muller" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote
"Said be clear. Mr trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs. That's obviously with do my position is. I'm not aware all any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time. Two in that campaign and i didn't have not have communication with the russians have to get involved with putin for have nothing to do with putin spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will. Respect me russia if you listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political your communist. No mr green. Communism is just a red herring like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to muller she wrote. I'm your host. Alan gill though. Most of you remember me as ag an epic show for you today. I really really have an epoch show for you first of all. I'm on the road. I'm in vegas of this little echoing in my hotel room. I apologize for that. Just want to let you know that is what the reason is for perhaps an or perhaps maybe lara air conditioning unit in the background I have a few stories. I then some sabotage and i also have an interview. With lincoln's bible about the new kremlin papers that were leaked to story out in the guardian by luke harding and a very special fantasy and diamond league with a very special fantasy and diamond league guest during sabotage. I'm going to go through the baruch indictment page by page with you. If you haven't heard yet. Tom barrack was indicted. We'll get there but first we have some headlines to get to so let's jump in with just the facts all right. We have one big fat headline for you today. And it's from the washington post. The justice department is pushing for rule changes to sixty that would put a fifty year. Delay on when courts can consider releasing material from federal grand. Juries that's according to documents and interviews and they would separately allow gag orders to be applied more broadly to witnesses while the recommendations were made during the trump administration. I wanna make that clear. That's when these recommendations recommendations were made president binds. Justice department is still seeking the changes. Even his critics oppose what they say would be a significant expansion of secrecy around federal courts. Investigations grand jury. Secrecy is a cornerstone of american criminal. Justice we've talked about the sancrosanct. You know grand jury secrecy. Rules much of what is said in a grand jury This is where citizens guided by prosecutor. Consider whether to indict someone for crimes. Most of it's never made public but judges can occasionally rule that some other interest merits the release of grand jury information. This happened in the watergate case led to richard nixon's resignation as president. And it happened. In a special counsel robert muller's investigation into donald trump when a district court and appellate court found that some grand jury materials should be shared with congress is prepared for impeachment proceedings. The justice department fought all the way to the supreme court. Keep the more grand jury material under wraps and the issue was declared moot after congress completed impeachment proceedings but if the proposed rules and acted they could push back any revelations about the miller. Grand jury until twenty sixty nine and for those of you who've been longtime listeners of muller she wrote you know i've been worrying about maybe trying to freeze my head and keep it alive so i could live long enough to take here About the underlying grand jury materials and mueller investigation documents twenty sixty nine very far away in opposing the release of the muller grand jury material justice department lawyers argued that it should be off limits because impeachment did not qualify as a judicial proceeding. That's one of the exceptions to grand jury. Secrecy by the way the department has suggested that a watergate era court ruling was wrong and finding that impeachment proceedings are exempt from grand jury secrecy rules. They should be now. The justice department is pushing to prevent judges from even considering that release of materials and again for fifty years. The rules committee is part of a lengthy process of considering and finalizing rule changes to sixty that ultimately go through the supreme court and then can be altered by congress if needed so. That's happening right now. And you can as you can guess. I'm not happy about it. Although eric holder proposed a similar rule but for thirty years i disagree. I think judges should have discretion To release grand jury materials when it merits when they're on other of other interests are considered and in other news. According to the guardian leaked kremlin documents. Show trump was installed by russia. And joining me right now to discuss. That is lincoln's bible but we have to take a quick break. Stay with us season. Two of swing left's how we win is here. We have an incredible opportunity to fight for our democracy. We don't agonize we organize. And we've got a lot of work to subscribe right now on apple and everywhere you get your pods for insight action and your reasons for hope i'm steve pearson and i'm mariah craven and this is season two of how we went. Hey everybody welcome back. I am joined today by the host of the amazing new podcast called the world beneath. You have to listen to it if you haven't already it's been recommended by every single amazing person that you love. I love please. Welcome lincoln's bible hello. Lb i'm so happy to talk to you first of all great narrative last night that was awesome If you If anybody was able to watch that with the whole Tom barrack stuff. That was very very interesting. What i want to talk to you about today and what people have been kind of nudging me to talk about. Is this amazing reporting in the guardian by lou. Carting about the kremlin papers. Can you tell us what was in these papers. Everything we already knew everything. You've adela people for four years. A basically it was that that the trump was zoned by the kremlin into their bidding You know it just. It was a very specific actually to a beating that that looks like a took place in. I believe it was january. Two thousand sixteen it at At the kremlin with a several heads of different At let's just call security services or agencies within the kremlin who would be necessary In terms of organizing What will call their troops or their agencies are personnel and their efforts and their resources towards directing Pretty much a sigh up at the american people in order to facilitate and assist a win by donald trump by our electorate. So this puts into even a sort of more starker contrast things. Like why paul manafort would have been handing off polling data to concerts in clinic..
All In with Chris Hayes
"robert muller" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"You won't be surprised to hear that. Republicans i talked to were very pissed off about cheney To say that she she so become a democratic she is a democrat already even though she's one of the traditional house conservatives at just look in her voting record but no. This is the member that democrats are going to lean on that they say is under their pride ability for having a bipartisan. Investigation and republicans were saying she doesn't count effectively part of the political calculation. Here saw hell. And i don't think is the most important thing but to your point is they didn't want trump didn't want an independent commission because it would have more stature more credibility and so they turned against it. Same reason mcconnell whipped against it calling in favors. It's mccarthy went against it. They wanted to be able to attack commissioners partisan and they were going to whatever the makeup was. It seems like just being like enough. You're you're going to run against us anyway yeah. There is a difference of opinion. Chris between how. The two parties have come to view january. Six congress should do about it. Republicans have come to believe the vast majority of them including the leadership of the party. Have come to believe that the justice department should look into it. They should arrest people they should make their charges and let the justice work and everyone should move on. Democrats have a very different view of it. They believe that was a fundamentally fundamental crisis. An attack on american democracy that needs to be zeroed in on an investigated as a way to prevent anything like that from happening again to save the american experiment. I've talked many democrats and they emphasized they overemphasized and they reemphasized that part. I think they do believe that. I don't think they're blowing smoke there and that different turned out to be irreconcilable. Especially when you when you factor in the uncomfortable reality for republicans which is that it was supporters of donald trump. Who violently attacked this building in an attempt. To overturn the result of the election. To overturn joe. Biden's victory so the day off. There are many republicans who appeared very troubled by this and wanted an investigation. But i think as time has gone on the politics have turned and the republicans have taken a different direction saw kapoor and olivia beavers. Both doing great reporting on this today. And thank you both for making time with us. Don't go anywhere The latest on the arrest of donald trump's inaugural committee chair and what it might reveal about the trump administration's very shady foreign entanglements. That's next federal court in the eastern district. New york unsealed a huge seven count. Forty six page indictment yesterday against trump fundraiser inaugural committee chairman. Tom barrack charging him with acting as an agent of the united arab emirates as well as obstruction of justice and lying to investigators. Now we all. Of course remember special counsel robert muller was investigating russian sabotage of the two thousand sixteen election. We heard about that for years but over. The course of his investigation muller also started to look into whether lobbyists for the uae were funneling millions of dollars to the trump campaign. And now with the indictment of tom barrack that profoundly shady and we relationship between trump world and the united arab emirates is starting to make a little more sense so we know that three months before the twenty six sixteen election even happened. Donald trump junior met with an emissary for two wealthy arab princes at the trump tower. The emissary told trump junior at the time that the princes the defacto rulers of saudi arabia. And the were eager to help. His father win election as president. A few months later. I'll donald trump did win and that crown prince anyway guy. Prince mohammad bin zayed known as nbc z. Flew to new york to meet with the president-elect now as new yorker reports it is customary for foreign leaders to notify the american government when they traveled the us but nbc's e did not do so that nbc arrived at the meeting of the trump tower penthouse with an entourage about thirty people use dressed in combat boots jeans and some of his men were armed. Then on inauguration day donald trump's incoming natural security advisor. Mike flynn was texting with former business partners about a hugely controversial private-sector plan that would reportedly be funded by the gulf states including ya to bring nuclear energy to the middle east in fact. Flynn was texting about this plan. Literally ten minutes after donald trump was sworn in as he washed on the day us. Like we've got gotta deal what's going to happen seven days into his presidency. Donald trump might remember signing an executive order known as the muslim ban which well left out the uae. While including other middle eastern countries like syria yemen iraq during trump's first year in office the deputy finance chair of the republican national committee. A guy named elliott brody was helping spearhead a secret campaign to influence the white house and congress for the crown prince's of saudi arabia the uae. God that keeps popping up again and again brody was later charged with conspiring to act as a foreign agent on behalf of other interests malaysian and chinese government interests. Mr brody was a very busy man. Apparently on the day before. Donald trump doses. He pardoned brighty now. We have the indictment of tom barrett who allegedly acted to the you a in its dealings with the executive branch of government. Doing things like advocating for the appointment of individuals favored by the administration and taking steps to advance the us's foreign policy interests by attempting to influence united states foreign policy. One of the people who been reporting on these influence efforts for years connecting the dots between the us trumpworld before anyone else joins me. Next june tenth twenty nineteen reporters. Alex emmons matthew colty intercept published. This piece was about a secret influence. Operation the united states by the united arab emirates involving an emirati businessman and tom barrack a longtime ally ally then president donald trump back was a fundraiser for trump campaign..
Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"robert muller" Discussed on Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"I hope he's feigning. I mean either. He is ignorant or who's fading ignorant and he says i. I don't know what the law says. I mean and this is the interview with wolf blitzer. Then we'll just goes. You can't vote twice. I mean everybody knows that but bill was too afraid to publicly say anything different than what donald trump said right. There was this a similar thing where donald trump started suggesting. He had the power to move the election date which of course he does. Not only congress has that and nobody was asked about that in a public forum as well and said i haven't looked at what the constitution says there again. Either either he's ignorant feigning ignorance to appease donald trump and this all brings us to what you might consider bill bars original sin in corrupting the justice department and listeners. If you're just joining us my guest is former federal prosecutor and cnn. Legal commentator ellie hoenig. Whose new book is called hatchet man. How bill bar broke the prosecutors code and corrupted the justice department This sort of bill bar original sin. His misleading statement to the american people about the mullahs report before the american people. Got to look at it ourselves. So here's a thirty second centerpiece of that infamous statement. The report recounts ten episodes involving the president and discuss his potential legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of an obstruction of fence after carefully reviewing the facts and legal theories outlined in the report and in consultation with the office of legal counsel and other department lawyers. The deputy attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and obstruction of justice. Offense so ellie. How do you explain that statement in your book. He's in the bag for donald trump and he told us he was in the bag before he got the job. So we have to rewind here about six months before bill. Barbie came attorney general. So this is The middle of two thousand eighteen. It's obvious jeff. Sessions is a garner. Donald trump has publicly berating humiliating jeff sessions every day. The midterms are coming up. Bill bar sends in what i call the audition memo. This is a twenty page memo. Nobody asked him to write. He doesn't on his own. He sends it into doj. We now know it made its way to donald trump. We're bill barr says robert muller's theory of obstruction of justice is and i quote. Bill bar here fatally misconceived fatally meaning dead and donald trump sees. That of course is is light up. This is the guy i need. he chooses. Bill bar bill bar gets through on a almost straight party line vote and then he does exactly what he told us he was going to do. He guts the mother report. A he lies to us in that four-page and i use the word lie very carefully. You know in the law and the media. You don't just call someone a liar. I do it in the book. Because it's not just me. Robert mueller later accused bill bar misstating his conclusions and the facts and federal judges later found. The bill bar was disingenuous lack candor lack credibility you know all the polite ways of saying why so he lies about the first of all robert muller's findings regarding russia. Is there a criminal conspiracy. Robert muller's says no however. Russia tried to interfere with the election. They tried they did it to help. Trump trump's campaign knew about it. They expected to benefit from it and dozens of times..
Mueller, She Wrote
"robert muller" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote
"So to be clear. Mr trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs bench. What he said. That's what that's obviously with our position is. I'm not aware all any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two and that campaign. And i didn't have not have communication with the russians on we'll have to get involved with putin. Have nothing to do with putting never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will. Respect me russia. If you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political your communist. No mr green. Communism is just a red herring like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to muller. She wrote volume to season two episode. One i am back from vacation in. Puerto vallarta have a lot to cover Apparently giant huge things happened including indictments. When i go on vacation so i have decided going forward. I'm going to take a week off every eight weeks or so. To kind of help nudge justice in the right direction. Since that's my vacation time is seems to be when all of these indictments occur as you know. The trump organization and allen weisselberg were indicted and we went over that in detail on this past. Week's daily means podcast. I highly recommend listening to my interview with former muller top prosecutor. Andrew weissmann about the indictment. You can find that by searching for the daily beans podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And on this show. I'll be speaking with robert donat about a trove of muller documents that was released to the public this week stuff. We hadn't seen before. There are some reductions in there but these documents in particular the letter from muller to trump's lawyers go a long way to shore up the shit. We already knew that. Trump india obstructed the mueller probe by refusing to cooperate which disallowed muller from being able to to indict anyone on conspiracy charges with russia. So that's happening. And of course later will also have the fantasy indictment league and sabotage for you as things start to heat up in central florida as we approach the charging decision on matt. Gaetz but i. There are quite a few headlines. So let's jump in with just the facts. I up today member when the house. Judiciary committee requested the muller grand jury materials under article one powers of impeachment back in july of twenty nineteen. I think we were onstage. Live at the chicago show when this all went down and i said that that actually constituted at the beginning of the impeachment inquiry and that was a couple of months before pelosi officially announced the impeachment when the ukraine stuff went down it was interesting timing too because right when jerry nadler was requesting those documents that underlying grandeur materials in the mueller investigation under article one impeachment powers of congress. We had just heard from adam schiff that there was some fucked up. Shit that went down in a phone call. According to a whistle blower between the former guy and the president of ukraine and then two months later of course. Nancy pelosi Announced the official impeachment inquiry into the former guy for that ukraine shakedown. Well that request for the more grandeur material went to court it languished. There will a decision has been handed down and this news flu quietly under the radar probably for political optical reasons congressional democrats years long attempt to nail down whether then president donald trump lied to special counsel robert muller effectively ended on friday july second with the us supreme court wiping away court decisions where the house judiciary committee was told. It could access secret. Grand jury records from key. Witnesses in the mueller investigation. So now the house will not get those grand jury records that brings to a close. The democrats pursuit of what witnesses in the mueller investigation. Said confidentially under oath about their interactions with trump and others during the two thousand sixteen campaign since two thousand nineteen as i said the judiciary committee assad access to records from muller investigations grand jury proceedings which were cited in millers report on russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. The house had repeatedly said it wanted the records so it could consider whether or not to impeach trump for attempting to obstruct the russia investigation which miller also documented in volume two but over the past two years. The fight plotted through the court system with the justice. Department under trump unsuccessfully arguing to block the release of those documents they lost those courts those cases. The supreme court initially had agreed to hear the case but then delayed it following trump's loss of the presidency in november. And we told you they were going to move this. They were waiting to see whether or not he would win the election to see whether or not this case was moot. On friday the high court vacated the earlier rulings the justice department under biden wanted this result saying the case had actually become moot. The house did not oppose this move so they didn't say anything about it either but a top lawyer for the house. In june noted the case was ending because trump was no longer president. Which is what we posited and we said be be ready for that and it sucks but it is the right call because the impeachment remedy is no longer a remedy and the request is now moot. These records could be sought under other circumstances. However like i don't know say an investigation into obstruction of justice by the department of justice. If they decide to pick it back up keep in mind that even if the grand jury materials were handed over we would not have got to see any of them. So it's not like we're losing out here. The super grand jury secrecy rules. So don't be too bummed about this..
The Daily Beans
"robert muller" Discussed on The Daily Beans
"Aren't everybody welcome back. We're talking to the other hatchet man l. e. hoenig. This is such a good book and right before the break we were talking about Culture warrior style bill bar and and sort of his philosophy jam. He's trying to jam it down our throats and i mentioned i think the first time that we all became aware of this like the regular folks were was that audition mother came up at his confirmation. Hearing hearings. Twenty eighteen memo. Can you tell us about that memo and how it should have been a early red flag for most of us who were like all right. Maybe this is going to be okay. Because a lot of us chuck rosenberg for example. Yup we were all like all right. An old 'institutionalised. Maybe this isn't as bad as we thought it was going to be. But that That was my initial view. I quote myself in the book. Because i was onset at cnn. The day they announced his name. And i said something like look. He's a serious die. He's a respected by. Seems like a 'institutionalised guy. It seems like a strong pay then though and by the way i put that in the book because i think it's important people. No i did not have it out for the night. If anything i gave him the benefit of the dow then so when when he first got the job but then shortly after this audition memo surface this is the memo. That bar wrote a few months before he became attorney. General in the middle of twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty nineteen or eighteen. Excuse me so this is. This is mid twentieth eighteen Midterm elections are coming up november of two thousand eighteen. It's clear to the entire world sessions as a goner that. Ag job is going to be open at bar writes this. Nineteen page memo. Basically saying that robert muller's investigation is d- away. And here's the exact term. The bar uses is fatally misconceived robert muller's notion of obstruction of justice. That he's investigating. Here's italy misconceive fatally meaning. It's dead now. He also says in his mammo- the president has complete prosecutorial power which is an incredibly wrong and alarming thing for an attorney general to say the president can just have anyone. He wants prosecuted or not prosecuted. But this audition memo comes out and sure enough when barbie becomes ag first of all somehow well this memo does make it to donald trump. We know that from jonathan swan at axios later reported fairly recently. That trump was in fact aware of this memo and he did shocker. he liked it. I mean he hadn't someone who's going to make this thing. Go away for me. That's exactly what did i mean. Bar twisted the law. He twisted the facts. He twisted what muller did but he told us all what he was going to do. He told donald trump would he was gonna to do and he did. Just that now the legal underpinnings of that or this notion that the president is sort of can't be touched kepi charged but goes way farther than that. I mean he really distorts to us. What robert muller found. He makes this unilateral finding that there was no obstruction of justice which is completely a. b. s. I mean. I'm one of over two thousand former prosecutors. Wrote a letter saying there absolutely is obstruction to this day. The only people who've come out and said there was not structure. Bill bar rod rosenstein. Who of course just follows anything. Any boss says so so that you know that was where we got a sense of bill bar sort of legal extremism and i break it into the legal extremism. The president is utterly untouchable versus the personal religious ideological extremism. But he had them both and they both drove. What he did is aj. Yeah and you you even at the end to your confirmation chapter you talk about sort of accountability and ethics. You know you say that the he his he declared muller's investigation like you said fatally misconceived asinine and overly zealous and right now. He's going to oversee that case. And you you amplified that insanity by sharing an anecdote about a time you were pulled off a case. Because like your best friend's brother's boyfriend's cousin's girlfriend knew a guy who heard from a girl who softwares pass out at thirty one flavors. One night i mean it was like could you talk about sort of. Yeah the circumstances there and how you were like yeah. I gotta get off that case. Somebody said you gotta get off that case as compared to bill barr who comes out right just mind-blowing toy tell this story where i'm at. Sdn ryan it's a routine case and our ethics guy calls me and he's like you're off this case i was like why i i was happy because it was a crappy case but he was. It was what was it was my father's law partner. Who by father wasn't even practicing really anymore. But like years before had represented one of the witnesses and the case that's like five levels of separation not even a party to the case my former law partner wants represented the guy in a civil suit or something like that and i thought okay and you know what that was the right thing because you cannot even risk the appearance of someone going. Wait a sack in the prosecutors kind of tied in with someone who's tied in with someone who's part of that case because the the public has to believe and you can't have any risk of any thumb on the scale. Okay contrast that with bill bar who before he gets the job says this case is dead. It's fatally misconceive. I mean and billboard came up with some to this day. We don't understand exactly how but some some torture Tortured analysis of the ethics rules. That allowed him to stay on the case of you know by one thing about his whole Fatally misconceived and all that you know part of his bs as he tried to say when he was questioned about this at his confirmation. Oh that was no that was just me offering up my views as a concerned citizen. That wasn't me trying to catch. The president's is so he'd make me. Ag guess what he did media to he went. He did interviews in the media and said that muller's investigation was like you said quote asinine. I mean if you're just a humble man not trying to draw attention why you doing media about it bill bar. i mean. it's just another one of his ridiculous nonsense assertions. Yeah and that's what. It opened the door for all kinds of weird conflicts of interest with the rosenstein. We had bench cow ski head of the criminal division who was represented alpha-bank and was overseeing the mueller investigation which was investigating alphabetic. Just come on you know. Yeah it was blew my mind. I mean rosenstein rosenstein conflicts. Where even worse rose. Here's a key witness and i'm fine. I can say of the gave bill bar. Did you know like kicked off mayhem. Yeah he was. He was a fact witness in the obstruction of justice investigation. I remember when he cried. Offered to wear a wire was interesting time and then finally. Before i had to break again i wanted to ask you about basically conflicts and politicization which is what we've been talking about and actually that you know what this is a good time take a break because that brings us to the next section of your book which is about ukraine and you begin that with another personal anecdote which is really great but i. Let's take a break right here. Is that okay. Sure everybody we're going to have to take another break but we back with more l. e. hoenig tomorrow stick around everyone We'll be right back with good news. Hey everybody it's ag in this. Portion of the beans is brought to you by stamps..
America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
"robert muller" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
"The whole truth. Nothing but the truth. That's dr jeez specialty. America first professor shadrack. Why did you use that lineup. Because you guys are so dedicated to telling the truth and specifically against that we have in studio right now has started an organization dedicated to telling the truth and get on the show. And gosh he doesn't even know. How coolly is this is pathetic. Can you just realize how good you are. You ever show generalists do. What's it gold just the truth mice. Congratulations see you guys are always on. That's america first former president united states. She is the chair of the election. Integrity alliance name. is john. Ellis and you love. Follow agenda e. s. q. On twitter and everywhere else so much discussing she has the show indeed. Called just the truth on america's voice. Let's talk audits. Let's talk the incredible letter. I read the whole letter from the attorney general of arizona to the attorney. General of the united states merrick garland and i said he. He has declared political war on the biden administration. He uses the phrase the bidoon. It's not just about the. Doj says the biden administration that paragraph. Because he said how dare you even consider for a nanosecond getting involved with your federal goons in our audit in arizona because this is the best line the best line a little reminder attorney general garland. The federal government was created by the suffering states. Not the other way round. What are we have more attorney. General's that across the nation we shed and we have a great one right now in texas got a couple need about forty five please absolutely it is that look at look at how on point we are today but we do and my favorite line actually from this letter was. I am not even crematoria. Not immune reminded me of the of the american gymnast that With with her facial expression that means that went viral. That was like i am not amused. And this was so perfectly worded though because the federal government has no business get involved with the state's regulating themselves within their own functions and the united states constitution by the way merrick garland you wanted to be on the. Us supreme court to interpret now constantly shot. Dodged doesn't even know or doesn't care more likely that the elections and the election laws are up to the states and the specifically the state legislatures in the constitution. Yes the us constitution. So so this is all just about the democrats wanting to stoke fear in each of the states to say. Don't you dare uncover the truth. Because the truth of course is that joe biden was not elected fairly. There was tons of corruption tons of lawlessness and president trump is right to continue to have this emphasis on all of the audits and as i've continued to tell him as we have continued to tell him the truth of course will continue to come in. I have to get your impressions to have an honest. You live in front of millions of listeners my impression so there's some real ideological hacks like the woman who was confirmed with him and i'm just horrified every gop senate about two of them by crews and pull confirmed as the number two at the doj. At least a woman called lisa monaco. Who was the disastrous head of the homeland security policy for obama who was by the way not only that she was chief of staff for robert muller and i think the gop's just on that note. We'll talk about that later. But these are the people who are running the doj. These ideologues my impression of the attorney general. He's just. He's an unimpressive empty suit..
Start Here
"robert muller" Discussed on Start Here
"But majority in two thousand eighteen. At the time special counsel robert muller was investigating links between the trump campaign and russia and doj was looking into leaks of classified information to this first story. I ran late last week. I was gobsmacked we were shocked to hear that members of congress is phone. Records were pulled along with family members a minor included but now this new report from over the weekend. That abc news has confirmed that the fact that the white house counsel the person that is the lawyer for the executive office of the president that his phone records and his wife's phone records were pulled by apple and given over the department of justice. It's mind blowing. Mcgann was a link between the white house and the doj and often reportedly the subject of president. Trump's frustrations especially after mcgann says he ignored trump when trump wanted muller fired the latest mostly dealing with obviously very sensitive information on behalf of the government on behalf of the presidency. And we don't know what it was for. you know. The the apple handed over and complied with the subpoena. In two thousand eighteen. Only just informed don mcgann the former white house counsel and his wife last month because there was a gag order that had been in effect but only three years later it finally got lifted. Well and so. We've talked before about how like how how higher the bar is when. Someone's looking to subpoena a lawyer. Because they deal with with your confidential privilege stuff and you're saying we still don't quite know even what they were investigating. We have no idea what they were investigating. All we know is that this was two thousand eighteen apple. Got the subpoena apple comply with the subpoena and apple. Might not have known who this was. Four they get subpoenas like this all the time from the federal government. They just pass along the meta data and goal on their merry way so to see where this story has just ricocheted over the course of the last four days that it's gone from capitol hill into the second floor of the white house. I gotta tell you brad. Ice vote to a senior official that served in the trump white house. They literally said maybe they took my records to while. Well that's the thing like we've seen members of congress right. We're talking about members of congress. Having their meta data sees members of congress have come under investigation before but if one branch of government is using its power to spy on another one because they're upset with what they're up to. That's watergate level stuff so i guess it doesn't matter what they were investigating you're right but here's the thing. I gotta stress this on this story. We truly don't know no. We've seen attorney general. Bill barr the former attorney general. Come out and say he had no knowledge of this. We have not heard from attorney. General jeff sessions. Who was the attorney general at the time that these subpoenas were long so we don't know what his knowledge or his deputy rod rosenstein knowledge was other outlets are reporting that they claim not to have known about it but they have not gone on the record in any way shape or form but it does raise a lot of questions and certainly when you talk about the two members of congress here what matters to donald trump is what matters to him personally and politically the rest. Our national security our allies. None of that matters compared to get this pathetic person sees had adam shift. Who now is the chairman of the house. Intelligence committee and eric swallow who was on. That committee is well. I've watched adam schiff league. He's a corrupt politician. Is a leaker like nobody's ever seen before. Those are two democrats that donald trump attacked constantly remember at one point. Donald trump was on twitter. You might have forgotten about that pencil. Neck adam schiff got the smallest snack. I've ever seen. Shifty shift was what donald trump would tweet about. The california congressman. But you'd have to think she. Could they really go this lovell. Could they really weapon is the department of justice and turn the do jane. Donald trump's private law firm. We just don't know there's a lot more questions a lot more investigations and we did learn at the end of last week. The department of justice referred this to the internal inspector general. They bred have launched a probe to figure out what happened here. The did these dates that you've been throwing out john. They're all twenty seven teams when trump's inaugurated twenty eighteen is the next year before even the midterms self from the beginning of the trump administration. So think people are going to be asking. Is there a reason to think that this would be the last time. The doj would have marshaled. Its power like this. I'm not gonna ask you to predict whether there are more stories coming out but that clearly will be the next question johnson. Thanks so much. Thank you one more quick break when we come back. We get a whale of a tale for you. One last thing is next. Americans are finally learning the truth this summer about tulsa oklahoma buried underneath the city or what could be the answers to a century old mystery the remains of victims from the tulsa race massacre of nineteen. Twenty one how did this happen. Who was responsible. And how do we move forward. That's what we're trying to answer in tulsa buried truth available now wherever you listen to podcasts and one last thing imagine your new england bar with a bunch of fishermen you say to one of them. That's kind of a gnarly scar. Where'd you get it and the guy says to you. oh that. I got swallowed by a whale. Once it's either he's going to let me go or this is where i'm going to die until this weekend. I would've told you definitely definitely do not fall for that but recently a man was admitted to a massachusetts hospital after he had apparently been swallowed by a whale. Here's the scenario. Michael packard commercial lobster diver meaning instead of traps. He swims down to the ocean floor and grabs lobsters off. The ground will according to packard. That is when he built something huge. Just close around and everything went. Dark is first instinct was that he was being attacked by a great white shark which are often spotted in this area but then he realized he wasn't injured but instead he was inside of a way over just swallowed him whole and then i thought this.
Mac OS Ken
"robert muller" Discussed on Mac OS Ken
"On season five. The enlightenment of steve jobs. We tend to lionize. People from the past. George washington never told a lie. Ben franklin never met with failure. We can try that. With steve jobs from his parents garage to the iphone. It was a straight shot to the top. The except of course. It wasn't the enlightenment of steve. Jobs tells about the between times from the headstrong thirty year old chased out of the company. He co founded to an executive ready and able to bring apple back from the brink. It's a good story. It has told well and you can hear it now. Listen to business. Movers the enlightenment. Of steve jobs on apple podcasts amazon music or you can listen one week early and free by joining wondering plus in the one degree app wondering feel the story and interesting story over the weekend from bloomberg. According to that site to mark gurman apple is preparing to drop. The mask mandate for vaccinated customers in some of its retail locations. The peace has a secret source. Saying apple has started telling store workers in affected areas of the change now. I don't want to brag. But i also know secret people and they're split. I checked in sunday with a couple of apple retail workers. I no one has heard what gherman third while the other has heard nothing of the kind make sense and skirmish in says apple's only telling employees in impacted markets proof of vaccination will not be required according to the peace so really no mass required for vaccinated customers or people willing to lie about it. People who work at apple stores will need to keep wearing masks. According to the report and finally every bit of this could change the company could change. Its plans or delay the loosening restrictions according to the report for which apple declined to comment right. Let's do the doj thing issues around. What information apple shared with the department of justice onto democratic members of the us house of representatives and one trump administration official are confusing. One suspects that was by design. At least in part you remember this story no doubt. The new york times ran a report last thursday evening saying that the department of justice under the trump administration serb subpoenas to apple for info on members of the house. Intelligence committee seen that highlights that report saying the targets included at least two democrats on the house intelligence committee aides and family members one of whom was a minor the two representatives we later found out where adam schiff and swallow well both democratic representatives from california. Some have wondered how that didn't raise red flags for anybody at apple. It's because the doj didn't request information on the two individuals nor on their accounts a piece over the weekend from n. Gadget says the requests were sweeping apple. Said one subpoena. From february two thousand eighteen demanded one hundred nine identifiers seventy three of them phone numbers and the rest email addresses in tech firms. Drafted it never provided emails or pictures that it didn't show the times or recipients for messages apple added that it couldn't determine the nature of the investigation from the request another piece from cnbc had more on that aspect apple. Spokesperson praised seines was quoted as saying we regularly challenge warrants subpoenas and nondisclosure orders and made it out policy to inform affected customers of governmental requests about them just as soon as possible in this case the subpoena which was issued by a federal grand jury and included a nondisclosure order signed by a federal magistrate. Judge provided no information on the nature of the investigation and it would have been virtually impossible for apple to understand the intent of the desired information without digging through users accounts with the request apple limited the information it provided to account subscriber information and did not provide any content such as emails or pictures as for telling affect users as soon as possible. Last month was as soon as possible according to cnbc piece again because of a nondisclosure orders signed by a federal magistrate. Judge apple could not notify the people that their data was subpoenaed the so called gag order lifted on the fifth of may which is why apple only recently alerted the affected users. Apple either has a plan to make sure something like this doesn't happen again or wanted to look that way anyway. Quoting a piece from apple insider apple senate began to enforce limits legal orders for data after the government started aspirin formation on more than one hundred accounts and a single request the reports add. The new rule was put in place some time after the trump administration's leak investigation and restricts requests to twenty-five identifiers per subpoena sounds cool. Though if you're dealing with the justice system that's rubberstamping the requests of a corrupt administration. It seems possible that the only thing that would have to happen for this to work again as four more sheets of paper anyway they might be a concern and there was one other interesting aspect. The came out over the weekend. It appears it wasn't only democrats targeted another piece from gadget sites. Another piece from the new york times that has secret sources indicating that the justice department subpoenaed apple for information. About former president. Trump's white house counsel don mcgann in february two thousand eighteen. It's not clear what the fbi was looking for. Or if mcgann was the focus but officials issued gag orders barring apple from notifying the council for a while that only told about the request in may of this year what nobody knows for certain is why and gadget say there were a number of potential issues. At play trump was angry with mcgann. At the time over robert muller's russia investigation and january twenty eighteen league but the times considered that unlikely however there crossed might have stemmed from the muller investigation itself mcgann was the trump campaign's top lawyer in twenty sixteen. With a new day dawning and a new breeze blowing the doj has decided to look into all of this following thursday's reports says another piece from apple insider deputy attorney general lisa. Monaco has called for an investigation. Into the subpoenas served on apple for phone records of house democrats. The piece goes on to say that justice department officials have confirmed that the department's internal watchdog. We'll be looking into the subpoenas rumored antitrust legislation aimed at big tech is no longer just rumor. I told you. Friday of a number of bills aimed at curbing. Anticompetitive behaviour and limiting mergers last week's report from apple insider said a package of five bells is reportedly about to be presented. Then friday happened and so did that. And gadget says members of the house of representatives introduced the five bills that the peace says would play significant limits on major tech companies including apple. Google facebook and amazon. They are the american choice and then evasion online act. This measure would prevent tech platforms from advantage in their own business over a competitor representative. David cecil cellini chair of the house antitrust subcommittee says it would keep amazon from manipulating their marketplaces to promote their own products. And gadget says it could also address concerns that apple preferences its own services in the app store. The ending platform monopolies act. This one would prevent big tech companies from selling products marketplace's they control according to end gadget. It's aimed amazon. Specifically according to the report the platform competition and opportunity act this one would prevent dominant platforms from acquiring companies that represent competitive threats. The augmenting compatibility and competition by enabling service.
World News Tonight with David Muir
"robert muller" Discussed on World News Tonight with David Muir
"Netanyahu's allies trying to drown him out. Many ejected from the chamber of cooling bennett a former netanyahu protege a traitor outraged bennett's governing coalition will formally include for the first time in israel's history members of an independent arab party netanyahu speaking for the last time is prime minister listing his achievements arguing that his replacement is too weak to keep israel safe even regarding solid the us and the biden administration declaring the prime minister of israel needs to be able to say no to the president of the united states on issues that threaten our existence or wait mile coastal negative. When it came the vote could not have been closer sixty. Two fifty nine bought never wanted to go down without a fight. he made a vow exclusive. It's vow new. Prime minister bennett will likely take seriously. He has a majority of just one seat. I'm not now who has won power from the opposition twice before well tonight. President biden congratulated bennett in a phone. Call to the new prime minister lindsay. Julia thank you. We are now learning more about the trump justice department and a newly revealed secret gathering of information back in february of two thousand eighteen. The doj saw data from apple accounts connected to white house counsel don mcgann and his wife is comes on the heels of recent allegations that the doj secretly obtained data from accounts belonging to to congressional democrats. Here's abc's white. House correspondent maryalice parks tonight. Abc news confirming that the justice department in twenty eighteen issued subpoenas to apple including requesting records. From then white house counsel don mcgann and his wife and apple complied. It's not clear whether mcgann was the subject of an investigation or connected to someone who was at the time special counsel robert muller was investigating links between the trump campaign and russia and doj was looking into leaks of classified information to but still unknown. What led investigators. to request. mcgann's records. Mcgann was a link between the white house and the doj and often reportedly the subject of president. Trump's frustrations especially after mcgann says he ignored trump when trump wanted muller fired. The latest news first reported by the new york times coming just days after reports that trump's doj also ordered apple to turn over personal account. Data from eric swallow and adam schiff to democratic members of congress on the house intelligence committee and fierce critics of the former president. The inspector general of the department of justice last week announcing it's investigating those requests today speaker. Nancy pelosi's saying trump's former attorneys general should be prepared to testify about possible abuse of power administration. Did the justice department leadership of the former president goes even beyond richard. Nixon pursued an enemies list. This is about undermining the rule of law our sources say that apple only notified mcginn and his wife abound all of this last month when a court imposed gag order expired neither apple mcgann nor former. President trump has responded to our requests for comment lindsay. Many remaining tight lipped on this maryalice. Thank you next to a rise in mass shootings injustice six hour period this weekend in four cities austin cleveland savannah in chicago. A total of five dead thirty nine wounded chicago has been especially bloody at least thirty. Two people shot three killed since friday. These scenes from saturday ten people shot one died. When gunmen approached a group standing on the south side. Street corner there have been more than two hundred sixty mass shootings this year. There is a gripping murder mystery unfolding. In south carolina to members of prominent and powerful legal family found dead on a sprawling estate authorities are desperately searching for leads. Here's abc's kenneth moten tonight. Investigators working to unravel steriods. Double homicide involving south carolina's most prominent legal families. Twenty two year. old palmer da and it's fifty two year old mother. Maggie found shot to death last week outside the family's hunting lodge on their sprawling estate in rural collin county the victims part of a legal and political dynasty. Three generations of myrtle men serving as top prosecutors in the region. Paul's father and maggie's husband alex myrdal also an attorney. The family's power house legal firm and part-time prosecutor palmer was awaiting trial accused of being under the influence twenty nineteen and crashing a boat killing nineteen year old passenger mallory beach the beach family extending deepest and warmest sympathies to the murdoch family state. Investigators saying little about the murders but insists there's no danger to the public but still lindsay no suspects in this case authorities haven't released autopsy results palmer murdoch and his mother maggie relate to rest. Friday lizzy can thank you growing pressure from missouri. Legislators calling on the governor. Mike parson part a man who the prosecutor's office says was wrongfully convicted of murder. Back in nineteen seventy eight. I traveled to missouri prison. Where sat down with kevin strickland. He has spent the past forty three years of his life behind bars. Convicted of triple murder back in two thousand nine. The prosecution star witness recanted her testimony. And those who confessed. The crime told police strickland was not involved. How does it feel to know that. The two people who admit they were responsible for the crime bell adkins. They've already served their time ten years each. They did it. They said they did it. You say you didn't do it in here. You sit unbelievable. I mean how could somebody admit to doing it. Come in and go out. And i denied it from the store and i'm still here. Strickland says he wakes up hopeful each day that it could be the day of his release and they're still much more ahead on world news tonight.
MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"robert muller" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"The rachel maddow show. We did nine stern on. Msnbc in the white house there is an important but sort of low profile job that is called staff secretary if you are stuff secretary in the white house what that means is that you're the person in charge of managing the paper flow around the president all the documents and materials that are handed to the president everything. The president is asked to review everything that the president does review. Anything that ends up on the president's desk everything that goes to the president or from the president white house staff secretary is the person in charge of keeping all of that in order. It's very important job. Obviously a very sensitive job because you see everything that goes to and from the president for all the reasons you might imagine. it's incredibly not only detail oriented job sort of twenty four seven job but it's a job for which you need to be an incredibly trustworthy person in february twenty thousand eighteen so almost exactly a year into the trump presidency the staff secretary. The trump white house had to resign for terrible reason. He had to resign because both of his ex wives came forward with lurid and terrible domestic violence allegations against him. That young man's name was rob porter and a scandal. Like that somebody in that job that a job. That's sensitive having long standing known serious domestic violence allegations against him by multiple previous wives but nevertheless getting that job in holding onto it a year. I mean a scandal like that would be a marquee thing. Any other presidency. It would be a defining scandal that would be remembered forever about any other modern presidents. that's at the trump administration that was like one blade of grass on a football field. Like keep track. Oh yeah remember that scandal again. It would be a massive over shadowing scandal for any other president going back to nixon. But for this president that was like literally one in a gazillion but that scandal ridden disgrace had to resign staff secretary. His was rob porter and that same rob porter today. had a cameo role in the long awaited testimony of the star witness against president trump for the serious allegations potentially criminal obstruction of justice. That dog him even now as a former president this from the transcript that we just got today question so going back to the meeting with rob porter that house stuff secretary. Answer okay question. You told porter that you would not write the letter. The president had requested correct. Answer right question. Did rob porter tell you about his conversation with the president earlier that day directive page one fifteen of the report answer okay question puertas now describing his conversation with the president earlier that day the report says quote the president said he wanted don mcgann to write a letter to the file for our records. Wanted something beyond a press statement to demonstrate that the reporting was inaccurate. The mr porter convey to you that. The president wanted you to write a letter for records. Answer i don't know if he used the word for a records but that is consistent with what he was telling me. The president wanted question so it was consistent with your understanding that the president wanted a formal written statement. Answer yes yeah question. According to reporter statements president trump also referred to you during that conversation as quote. A lying bastard. Mr porter convey that to you when you spoke to him. Answer not that i recall. No i think i learned. I learned about that one wants. the miller. report was released question. And what was your reaction when you learned to. That answer disappointing question. Why answer because it's not true question. Why isn't it true. answer. Because i'm not lying bastard question. What was your understanding of why the president said that answer. You'd have to ask him. I was disappointed to read in the report that the president called me lying. Bastard because pastor. Why do you think he called you that while you'd have to ask him in. Nobody's going to ask him. It's becoming more and more clear that it really seems like nobody's going to ask him not unless he's going to potentially face criminal charges for obstruction of justice in which case prosecutors might talk to him then get his answer to that in many other questions but so far he's never been questioned and so that isn't at least. It hasn't been in the cards. There's also this again from the same transcript that we just got today about the kind of lawyer. President trump wish wishes he had had when he was in the white house question. You testified that you told the president that knocking robert muller out could be a fact used to claim obstruction of justice. Correct answer right. That's the report we talked about that. Yeah right question. Was your understanding that president trump was concerned. That him asking you to have the special counsel removed could be harmful to him and the special counsel's investigation answer. Certainly yeah. Why well for the same appearance reasons among others. If it's known that you're under investigation by a special counsel and you seek to remove that special counsel someone probably more than one person is going to suggest that you did that to end the investigation. So that's a pretty obvious point question during that meeting on february sixth. The president raised the issue of why you took notes during meetings. Yes yes he did he asked about he asked about. Why do i take notes. And what was your reaction to that answer. I said look. I take notes because you know i'm a real lawyer. Real lawyers take notes..
Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior
"robert muller" Discussed on Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior
"Autocrats or those abroad you live your values out loud and you can do that. If you don't know where to start you can go to the gasoline nation action guide and an important step on the gas nation. Action guide is to make our be creative. Because when you're being creative that shows faith in the future that shows that you're taking your future own hands you're making something you're building so go out and build the future that you want to know that the future belongs to you and that no one can take it from you and the putin's and trump's trying to say that they are inevitable that they are forever that is heart of their big lie and they are terrified of you living your life defiant of the big lie so now in terms of where we are what we're up against is the reduction of the molar report 'institutionalised we had craig unger vanity fair contributor on the show talking about his book house of trump haussa putin looking at trump's decades long relationship with a russian mafia and kruger summed. Up robert muller perfectly. he said. You know robert. Muller's signed up to fight in vietnam like that's how much of 'institutionalised he is in liquid goddess. The guy who went running towards vietnam willingly when so many people with heart were running across the border to canada and doing what they could to get out of that corrupt war against institutionalists by agree with everything. You say one thing. I want to emphasize though is that it's not just a matter of autocrats. The american people did an amazing thing when they did remove an aspiring autocrat. Who was doing everything. He could to illegally hold onto power when they removed donald trump. And now we have. The biden administration democratic house democratic senate and basically the democrats. We have a severe problem with the democratic leadership. I've said many times. The democrats are not a monolith. I don't think this problem is across. The board. And i absolutely agree that one of the most important things you should do. Now as a regular citizen is speak out is documented is speak truth to power and don't be afraid of criticising a party that is failing. Don't be afraid to apply pressure. On these failed institutionalists these failed officials. They are not doing their job if they are not enforcing accountability. We are going to just continue to become further entrenched. In this pool of criminality we will not be able to extract ourselves from it and here. I don't see an example of say. The biden administration or others valiantly fighting for our rights and freedoms i see them surrendering in advanced or refusing to try. So you they need to be pushed. And i've been heartened to see that. So many beating analysts just across the political spectrum across different areas of expertise had these exact same frustrations that andrea. And i do. We often feel like we're kind of off on alleged. We've been talking about some of the stuff for months warning about the need for accountability. For months we did not share the sort of blind faith and unfortunately we have been vindicated which is not at all what we want but it is good that i think most americans. They just don't want this. Most americans are rejecting. This and most americans are holding on to their expectations. That yes we deserve our rights. Yes we deserve our freedom. We deserve transparency. We deserve accountability. That we do not deserve to live under a mafia state and it is very unfortunate. That the head of the doj merrick garland does not seem to agree with this assessment. He seems to be committed to keeping the mafia state addis that accelerated under trump which formed in advance of it intact at the doj in somebody give a little Rundown of what merrick garland has been up to over the last two months last night it was announced that he is going to continue the doj's defense of donald trump for raping journalists e. Jean carroll in a department store in the mid nineteen ninety s. If you don't know this case a brief summary. Carol sued trump in twenty nineteen. She says she has dna evidence of rape trump then sued carroll for defamation and said that the assault never happened that he could not have raped carol because quote. She was not his tight. This case then went through new york state courts for while until in a unprecedented move. Gop cover up guide. Bill barr than the attorney. General decided to trump's personal case defended by the doj. So this is not normal. This is not what the doj is supposed to be doing. This is an absolute abuse of executive power that resulted in taxpayers paying trump to defend himself against a woman that he raped and now merrick garland is continuing. This suggest to remind you of how gross and unprecedented this was. This is what the lawyers for. Carol said about the case at the time. I'm just gonna read a little from their preliminary statement. There is not a single person in the united states. Not the president not anyone else whose job description includes slandering women. They sexually assaulted. That should not be a controversial proposition. Remarkably however the justice department seeks to prove it wrong at the behest of the white house in following a certificate from the army general pursuant to the westfall act. Usc two six seven nine d. Federal lawyers have moved to substitute the united states of america as the defendant in this action. They assert that the defendant. Donald j trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he defamed plaintiff. Edging carol a woman. He sexually assaulted over twenty years ago as retaliation for revealing his misconduct. Trump's defamatory lies including assertions that carol had falsely accused other men of rape that she was lying about him as part of a secret political conspiracy that she had fabricated or accusations to sell books and that he had never met her despite a photograph of them. Together trump also remarked type. These are the statements that the justice department ask the court to find that trump uttered within the scope of his duties as president. So think about that. This is what merrick garland and the doj under joe biden are defending and perpetuating and this is not the only thing they're doing so here's a little. Rundown of merrick garland the new bill barr the bobble or the new lackey to the mafia state garland as we covered last week defended trump and bar when they ordered the brutal beating and gassing of protesters in lafayette square one year ago. These were the black rights. Protesters were out there. Because of the murder of george floyd and they got the military involved merrick garland says that trump in bar are above the law on. This merrick garland has covered up bars obstruction of the mueller probe and refused to release the full oil. See memo that bar used as a pretext for lying about the mueller probe and falsely summarizing. It garland defended the doj spying on the washington post and cnn and other journalistic outlets for trump he defended don mcgann against congressional democrats. Subpoenas garland has given no briefings about the january six on the capital. And as i mentioned he refuses to prosecute any of the high level operatives that were involved that were bragging about their involvement openly like roger stone mountain. Flynn lynnwood and steve bannon. This respects us very similar to fbi head and federalist society member christopher wray another failure biden can and should remove but is protecting sandra. What are your thoughts. Well i think this is something darker. yes it's institutional racism but there's something there. I wanted to unpack. Merrick garland judicial record because we need to absorb what we're up against right now because of the essence and we don't have time. I wanna start with saying like. Do i think merrick garland if you had been placed on the supreme court would. He vote with the conservative majority of the court. Would he be on the side of all this sweeping far-right ridiculousness. That's apparently allowing to go on his doj. No i do not. And that's very clear if you look at garland's judicial record which we need a breakdown now for everybody so for twenty four years. Merrick garland served a united states circuit. Judge of the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit. This is one of the most powerful courts in the country. The dc circuit is considered the second most prestigious court in after the supreme court serving on the dc circuit garland mostly oversaw administrative law and rarely sought controversial cases. I want to emphasize again. For twenty four years garlan mostly oversaw administrative law essentially avoided controversial cases. Because they were largely coming up for that court garland in terms of his record. Tends to side with president the dc circuit tended towards consensus building. So for twenty four years.
AP News Radio
After 2-Year Battle, House Panel Interviewing Trump Counsel
"After trying for more than two years the house Judiciary Committee is questioning Donald trump's former top White House lawyer on trump's orders then White House counsel don began to fight at twenty nineteen subpoenaed to speak with the panel which was investigating whether trump tried to obstruct justice department probes into his campaign's ties to Russia special counsel Robert Muller's report quoted extensively from interviews with McGann who described trump's efforts to stifle the investigation of federal court agreement led to McCann's appearance today but the deal also means members likely won't learn anything new both sides agreed again would be questioned privately and only about what the publicly available parts of the moment report a tribute to him Sager mag ani Washington
AP News Radio
Deal Reached for Ex-White House Counsel McGahn's Testimony
"Hi Mike Rossi are reporting a deal has been reached for former White House counsel don begins testimony before a house committee an agreement has been reached for don began who was White House counsel during the trump administration to answer questions in private from the house Judiciary Committee according to a court document filed Wednesday evening Democrats who run the committee have been seeking testimony from again for two years it's part of an investigation of potential obstruction of justice by former president Donald Trump during special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation under the agreement negotiated by the committee and the justice department but gamble only be questioned about information attributed to him in portions of the mother report that are publicly available the date for the interview has not been set Mike Crossey out Washington
Today, Explained
Matt Gaetz: Why Is He Being Investigated?
"Lots talk right now about florida. Representative matt gaetz. Why what is going on with matt. Gaetz matt gaetz seems to be in a lot of legal trouble is what's going on tonight. Florida congressman matt gates is defending himself amid reports. The justice department is investigating is alleged relationship with a seventeen year old girl. Investigators looking into the alleged relationship from two years ago whether gates possibly violated sex trafficking laws when he allegedly paid for travel and other expenses for the team all things. The republican strongly denies it as a horrible allegation and it is a lie. He's being investigated for payments. He may have allegedly made to women in exchange for sex in one case a woman who was under each seventeen years old in one sense. This is a pretty classic political sex scandal but the real reason it seems to have struck such a chord is that gates was one of the most bold outspoken defenders of former president donald trump who was of course plagued by scandal throughout his term in office gates was always there to say. Oh president trump was just being persecuted by the deep state. When robert muller leaves capitol hill. I think the american people will see that there was no collusion and there was oceans of bias and it turns out that the justice department has some questions for representative gates as well before we get into this sordid saga. We should just flag. That matt gaetz has not been charged with anything by anyone relating to the sex scandal correct. That's correct so. This is all stemming from a report initially in the new york times that gates was under investigation for perhaps having sex with a seventeen year old and for the payments to
Mac OS Ken
Apple positioned to offer cryptocurrencies: RBC report
"Rbc's got a new guy following up all and he is coming on strange apples. Three dot over and part of a note from abc analyst. Mitch steve's taking over the apple beat from robert muller. According to steve's note fundamentals apple remained secure with cash flowing business related to iphones peripherals computers and services. But what he really likes is the money. Apple could make in cryptocurrency not mining not buying but using apple wallet to let its installed base of one point five billion devices and the people who use them into the game the way the analyst sees it if apple decides to enter into the crypto currency exchange business multibillion dollar in we think the firm could immediately gain market share and disrupt the industry while simultaneously making the usa a leader in crypto for the next ten to twenty years if only two hundred million of those one point five billion got into crypto currency steve stingers that potential revenue opportunity would be an excess of forty billion dollars a year
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
Trump issues 26 more pardons, including Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
"And the partners. Just keep coming. Cnn reporting president trump wednesday announced twenty six new pardons including ones for longtime ally roger stone former campaign chairman. Paul manafort and white house senior adviser. Jared kushner's father charles those pardons of manafort and stole reward. Two of the most high profile and widely condemned for advisors of the president. Both of whom were indicted by special counsel. Robert muller went to trial and were convicted by jury of multiple crimes.
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
Trump pardons Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
"Partners. Just keep coming. Cnn reporting president trump wednesday announced twenty six new pardons including ones for longtime ally roger stone former campaign chairman. Paul manafort and white house senior adviser. Jared kushner's father charles. Those parts manafort and stone reward two of the most high profile widely condemned for advisers of the president. Both of whom were indicted by special counsel. Robert muller went to trial and were convicted by juries of multiple crimes.
Skullduggery
Trump issues more pardons, including Paul Manafort, Charles Kushner
"New evidence surfaced of just how wild and crazy things could get in the last days of donald trump's presidency. The white house announced that the president had issued a new round of pardons that included. Paul manafort his former campaign chairman and roger stone his longtime political adviser both of whom had been convicted of crimes. Going out of robert muller's russia investigation. And as if that wasn't enough trump also pardoned charles kushner. The father of his son-in-law jared kushner who had been convicted of illegal campaign contributions tax evasion and witness tampering
AP News Radio
Trump pardons former campaign chairman Paul Manafort
"President trump has issued another batch of pardons to nearly thirty people including his son in law's father and trump's former campaign chairman on the new list of those now pardoned or granted clemency Charles Kushner a real estate developer who pleaded guilty to tax evasion witness tampering and making illegal campaign contributions in two thousand five Kushner son Jared as a White House adviser and married to trump's daughter Ivanka and two more trump confidants convicted in order to jail in the Russia probe former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and close friend Roger stone whose prison sentence had already been commuted by the White House observers say the president's using the power of his office to dismantle the results of special counsel Robert Muller's investigation having pardoned another campaign associate Tuesday Jackie Quinn Washington
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
Trump Pardons Michael Flynn
"That after he pardoned. Michael flynn is x. National security adviser flint pleaded guilty in two thousand seventeen too long the fbi about his contacts within russian ambassador sergei kislyak. It was one of the first major courtroom. Victories for special counsel robert muller but about a year ago flint tried to withdraw that guilty plea. His attorneys argued that he'd been trapped by people like fired. Fbi agent. peter struck fox's kristen fisher house intelligence committee chairman democrat. Adam schiff who helped lead the impeachment inquiry says the president has repeatedly abused the pardon power to protect. Oh soup covered up for
MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
U.S. charges Russian military hackers
"A story for you. May Two thousand seventeen voters in France went to the polls to elect a new French president just like in our election the before then Russian intelligence agencies in the Russian government played hard in the French election that year russian-owned websites pushing outlandish rumours about the centrist candidate Emmanuel macron. Those rumors were then processed into pieces Russian state media outlets. macron's rival was a far right candidate named Marine Le Pen she had inherited from her Holocaust denying Father Control of Francis Post. World War Two Fascist Party. So it was the neo-fascist party running against macron. Lapenne far-right neo-fascist campaign was explicitly bankrolled by a Russian state controlled bank. Marine Le Pen went to Moscow and met with Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin during the campaign. This was not subtle. But it was. Too much for Russia to pass up a divisive racist far right fascist candidate injecting chaos into the elections in a major. European. Democracy in twenty seventeen that's like catnip to Russia. Right? They want to undermine democracy everywhere. They will undermine Western countries in general however they can. But Russia's saved its boldest move for the eve of that French. Just two days before the vote. Russian. Hackers part of the same Russian military unit that had disseminated hacked democratic emails during the twenty, sixteen American election the before. They dumped tens of thousands of files, online, nine gigabytes of stolen emails and other information all hacked from Emmanuel Macron's campaign, and that might have become the dominant news story of the final weekend of that campaign. Before French voters went to the polls. It might have actually ended up upending that election if it were not for a quirk of French law, which imposes a media blackout on anything relating to the campaign for full day before voting starts all the way through until polls close on election day. That blackout period in French law precedes this whole scandal with Russia messing with the French election. But it ended up saving the day. The material that was hacked by Russian intelligence got posted online and France just hours before media blackout period began just minutes before the blackout began at midnight that night the macron campaign issued a statement warning that the hackers had inserted forged fake documents into the hack stolen material they pleaded with the media to not report on that junk. And the media didn't. They stuck to the rules. And in the end, Emmanuel macron beat the far-right neo-fascist Marine Le Pen by more than thirty points. And there's a couple of reasons for us be thinking about sort of relearning the story of that. Two thousand seventeen French election right now one is that the intelligence community is raising the alarm that Russian intelligence is executing an operation just like the one they did in France on us right now the supposedly Biden scandal that Rudy Giuliani has been shopping the scandal he. Managed to get printed in the New York Post which president trump has been gleefully promoting ever since including posing with a copy of that paper in the Oval Office that junk that Giuliani has been promoting is being actively investigated by federal investigators as potentially part of a hostile foreign influence operation illegally targeting our election and the intelligence community is investigating this Johnny on the spot. In part because they saw this coming in advance, this is in the New York Times last week quote, The Times reported last January the Ukrainian company were Hunter Biden was once on the Board respond had been hacked by the same Russian Intelligence Unit that hacked the Democratic National Committee in two thousand, sixteen last month US intelligence analysts contracted several people with knowledge of that hack. Asking them for further information because they picked up chatter that stolen burris, my emails would be leaked in the form of an October surprise among their chief concerns was that the burris material would be leaked alongside forged materials and it it's to hurt Biden's candidacy as Russian. Hackers did when they dumped real e mails alongside forgeries ahead of the French elections in two thousand seventeen. So that's what they did to Macron in two, thousand, seventeen they hacked all install all of this stuff from his campaign than they mixed it up with Ford stuffing dumped it right before the election. That's what the US intelligence community said. They believed was going to happen with Barista and sort of October surprise firm Rudy Giuliani. Thank right on time Rudy Giuliani shows up some emails from a mysterious source that are totally unverified and unverified able and only one Rupert Murdoch owned right wing tabloid will air that junk. Put it in their paper. So. That's one reason. The Russian operation in the two thousand, seventeen French election newly relevant to our lives right now, the Russians may be trying that exact same trick all over again except we don't have media blackout rules. The other reason that that two thousand seventeen Russian operation in France is newly relevant. Is that the guys who did it just got indicted by the US Justice Department today? Here they are the Russian military intelligence hackers who carried out that operation to interfere in the French election in two thousand seventeen the Justice Department says in the indictment today that these guys also launched major malware and hacking operations that shut down the power grid in Ukraine that hit the parliament in the nation of Georgia that chemical weapons investigators in the UK and Europe who were looking into the Russian poisoning of former Russian spy, Sergei scruple who was poisoned with a Russian nerve agent on British territory they say, they also orchestrated hacks that hit hospitals in companies. In the United States. They also organize tax that hit the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics quite a list. And? Although. One of the Russian hacker that was indicted today was previously indicted by Robert Muller in two thousand eighteen for his role in the hacking operation against the twenty sixteen election here in the US, today's indictment of these Russian hackers doesn't include any charges related to American election interference this year. That said the election. The American election is two weeks from tomorrow. It's hard to look today's indictment without trying to understand how it relates to our own election and what the Justice Department is trying to signal here. Is that the right way to look at this. Joining us now is Jeremy Bash. He served as chief of staff at the CIA and at the Defense Department under President Obama Jeremy Nice to see. Thanks for making time. It, Rachel. So, this is a lot. Going on the surprise announcement today from the Justice Department about the indictment of these Russian hackers when you look at this with your background in intelligence and your understanding of what Russia has done to target our democracy and others. What do you think is most important here for people to understand. Well I think was most important is that the GRU this Russian military organization that was responsible for the two thousand Sixteen Hacking Dump Operation Against the Democrats that was responsible for the two thousand seventeen election appearance in France as you noted, and is responsible for these militias cyber attacks globally including, against us, hospitals and. They are very active. They're very capable and they are in fact probably behind this this Russian. Intelligence operation at least a looks and appears to be Russian intelligence operation targeting the Biden campaign. Last. Week Andrew Weisman, who is part of the Miller investigation wrote in Law Fair about the decision that was made by bill bar earlier this year this spring to drop criminal charges against Russian companies that had participated in the attack on our election in two thousand sixteen and that didn't actually get a lot of attention when it happened in March I think in part because the country was overwhelmed by what was starting to happen to us in terms of covid why spent makes the case that before may have acted essentially improperly in dismissing those charges essentially signaling to Russia that the. US Criminal Law wouldn't be used against them as a tool if they wanted to interfere in the election this year I'm wondering if this might be a signal in the other direction, if this might be some sort of signal to brushback rush intelligence ahead of what appears to be their ongoing efforts to boost trump in his reelection effort. Hartono, racial. But what we do know is that there are mixed signals being sent by the US government here. Today we have the Justice Department indicting Russian hackers, but you've got the president of the United States welcoming condoning what looks apparently like a Russian intelligence operation targeting the Biden campaign remember Rachel that Rudy Giuliani. In Kiev, with Andrei Dirk Catch Ukrainian lawmaker who has been assessed by US intelligence and announced by our Treasury Department to be a Russian asset for the last decade. Giuliani goes to Kiev meets with Dir cash and he comes back and low these many months later, Giuliani surfaces up with these a very mysterious emails. So every Intelligence Professional Rachel that I've talked to the last twenty four hours says that this walks like a Russian intelligence disinformation campaign this talks like a Russian intelligence to information campaign. This is most likely Russian intelligence is permission campaign against the Biden team.
MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
Two conservative political operatives charged with misleading voter robocalls
"In August people in Detroit who were registered voters the trait is majority Democrat city. It's nearly eighty percent African, American registered voters in Detroit this summer. who had phone numbers in the three one three Detroit area code. They started getting calls that kind of seemed like crimes. And I'm going to play the call for you here. I will tell you before I play it that it is what you're about to hear on this call is unmitigated Bo Punky none of this is true but this is the call slash crime that went out to detroiters this summer. I'm. Not Ninety nine. Founded by Jack Berkman and Jacob. ooh. Mandarin voting found great but they do know that if you vote by mail, your personal information will be other public they that will be leaked assignments to track down. So worn and being used a credit card companies to collect outstanding debt the city even pushing. For they've only to try people for mandatory. I'll be connected door formation for the main. State. Where both by. Wear vote by mail. Vote by mail, your personal information is going to be given to the police to track you down for any old warrants and your personal information will be given to credit card companies to track you down for any old debt, and then the CDC is going to use that information. If you vote by mail to hunt you down and make you take mandatory vaccines that you don't want. Right that's all horse hockey. None of that is true voting by mail in Michigan doesn't actually put your personal information out there anywhere registering the vote means registering to vote but beyond that, how you vote doesn't matter at all. But when Sandra McNeill, on WWe, in Detroit got that recording of call they started looking into it. See if it was a one offer to see if this is more widespread thing. They started looking into it. So did the State Attorney General and the Michigan Secretary of State and those state officials held a press conference and they took the unusual step of releasing the audio recording of that call. So that other people who might have received, it would recognize it but also I think to put people on notice that this was misinformation and if you get this, this is not only wrong. This is potentially a crime they gave a stern public warning saying they're working to find out who was sending these absolutely false calls full of disinformation trying to intimidate voters they asked for members of the public to let them know if they too had received a call like this record, the call record, the date, and time you received it record any identifying information that came in with the call on your caller, id or anything like that. Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel warned that it is a felony under Michigan Law to deter or otherwise disrupt a person attempting to vote. So they went big with it. They basically said in that press conference five or so weeks ago you know listen you're targeting mostly black registered voters to dump all this disinformation on them to try to stop them voting by mail the you may think this is cute but this is illegal in this state and we're coming for you. Well today they made good on that threat tonight Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel has announced felony charges that have been filed against the two men whose names were listed at the beginning of that call. They have publicly denied having anything to do with this call. They've said, this must be some liberal group trying to make them look bad. It should be noted that callers received these calls also got caller ID messages saying the calls for coming from one of the two men's phone numbers. these guys are are trump supporters and conservative activists with a history of making flamboyant false claims at one point during the special counsel's investigation Robert Muller's office released a public statement announcing that they had referred these guys to the FBI after multiple women came forward to say that these guys had offered them money to make up sexual assault allegations against Robert. Muller. They referred them to the FBI for that. I. Wonder Whatever happened to that FBI referral. These gentleman also fabricated sexual assault allegations against Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buddha judge in the heat of the Democratic primary that allegation fell apart when the person they put forward to make those charges against people to judge publicly recanted and admitted that it wasn't true and publicly explained that these guys had put him up to it. They also tried to fabricate sexual assault allegations against Dr Anthony FAUCI. Seriously they offered cash rewards anybody who would say they heard Joe Biden using racial epithets right. These guys are a peach of a pair and they have been doing this kind of stuff to try to boost the trump campaign and to boost the trump presidency they've been doing it for a long time now apparently with impunity. But now they are facing multiple felony charges in Michigan Four felony charges all related to the election crime of intimidating voters. With a maximum total jail time of I think twenty four years in prison. But here's what's particularly interesting here. The investigation sparked by the Michigan authorities deciding that they were going to go big and go public with this turned up the fact that this wasn't just a local thing that had happened to one or two people. It wasn't even a Michigan specific attack turns out the calls out all over I. It was a Chicago Alter woman a local official in Chicago who alerted the board of elections there that she too had received this racist robocall. At her home in Chicago. Then it was people in Pittsburgh, and in Philadelphia who all said, they got this excuse me this same call. When Attorney General Dana Nessel of Michigan announced these felony charges today she said, the her office conferred with the Attorney General in Illinois or Chicago is and in Pennsylvania where Philly in Pittsburgh are but she says, she also conferred with the Attorneys Journal in New York and in Ohio because it turns out these calls have been going out to majority black districts registered voters in majority black districts all over the country in all in announcing these charges today the Michigan Attorney General's office estimates that eighty five, thousand of these calls have gone out. Just in the past few weeks trying to terrify black voters into not voting by mail at. Eighty, five thousand mostly black voters getting these calls saying if you vote by mail the CDC's going to put you on a list for mandatory vaccination that you don't want. If you vote by mail the credit card companies are going to track you down to find all your debt. If you vote by mail, the police are coming for you. Eighty five thousand of these calls. In. Multiple States. Over a period of weeks. After Attorney General Dana Nessel announced these charges today in Michigan. She didn't interview with that reporter from Wj, who helped break this thing open from the start with that tip from a listener. Reporter Sandra McNeill she asked the AG. The question that actually has been on my mind since I first heard about this story, which is, why did these guys have the goal to use their own names on this robocall? which so obviously appears to be a crime in progress trying to intimidate voters why would you put your name on that while committing that crime that's like robbing a bank and handing your real business card everybody might have witnessed it. Attorney General Nestle told the reporter from WWe Jay in response quote I honestly think that they've gotten away with so many things for so long. They thought that no, one would do anything they thought it wouldn't matter. Turns out matters. Joining us now live from Michigan is the Great State of Michigan's attorney, General Nestle Madam Attorney General. Thank you so much for being here. Tonight know it's a busy time. For having me I really appreciate your use of the term bull hockey I've never heard that before. But they use it. Bowl puppy and horse hockey are terms of art. You're welcome to use either of them. I don't even collect commission anymore. Does ask if I've got any of that wrong or if there's any important part of this. Case that you brought today that you announced today that I've missed. Now I think it was a summation. But what I think I'd like people to know is first of all, you know, yeah, that was twelve thousand calls that were made to the state of Michigan really centralized in the city of Detroit, the three one, three area area code, which is the city of Detroit. The thing about this, that's twelve thousand calls the twelve thousand potential voters trump won the state of Michigan by just over ten thousand votes. So I mean this is incredibly impactful and what I thought about for a long time. What is the point of having all these laws on the books in regard to voter suppression voter intimidation threats against voters if we never actually. Enforce them and what we know about twenty six sixteen is that trump didn't win because of the people who voted for him in Michigan he wanted because of the people who didn't voted all and that is what I think. These folks are trying to accomplish trying to suppress the vote and scare people into not voting action t during the course of a global pandemic, and we're not having it in this state just absolutely neck when you accept that these individuals can be so brazen as to attach themselves personally to these phone calls and think they can just get away with it. If they think it's funny that can joke around about it behind bars as far as I'm concerned. Is there a technical reason why cases like this are hard to bring? Obviously, these gentlemen have the. Office charged today they have their names on the front of this robocalled. They've since publicly denied that they actually made the robocall and said, somebody else must have done this in their names in order to make them look bad or prank them when it comes to the technical nature of proving that these were the people who in the charges conspired to and ultimately committed these acts voter intimidation is it hard to prove? Well. Unfortunately, for Mr, role and Mr Berkman Bud year ago, and my aunt established one of the first set anti. Robo calling task forces and so we were interested at the time in political related robocalls. We were interested in those calls that are made that ended up defrauding, he will and scamming people. So we already had the technology in place. So we knew where these calls were coming from and that allowed us to work with authorities in the state of California and thanks to my good friend. Attorney General Sarah in California who assisted us in this investigation but we have compelling evidence that these individuals committed these crimes and we're quite clear and confident about who the perpetrators of these crimes were. They just obviously never thought that we would actually end up investigate and actually charge but you know voter suppression is a very serious matter as Thomas Paine so So famously stated many years ago I voting is the right upon which all other rights are dependent. So if you deprive somebody of their ability to vote you deprive him of everything else in. Life and you know this has gone on for far too long. I think many people are tired of their scams. This isn't the first time that we've investigated these guys. As you noted, there was a an incident involving judge that involved the state of Michigan, an individual who lived in the state of Michigan. So it's not the person. I've seen their names. On a piece of paper in my office. And we're tired of them coming into our state and stirring up this kind of trouble by using false and misleading statements and trying to threaten or intimidate voters.
The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
Bipartisan Senate Report Shows 2016 Trump, Russia Collusion
"The news Do. You guys remember when the big question on everyone's mind was did donald trump colluded with Russia during the two thousand sixteen campaign remember it was all anyone talked about and then trump lead one, hundred and seventy thousand Americans die on his watch and we moved onto that. Well, it turns out the US. Senate had not completely forgotten about it and yesterday they dropped a bombshell report. A New Senate report says members of the 2016 trump campaign were eager. To accept help from Russia some of a directed personally by Vladimir Putin the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee releasing its final report declaring two thousand sixteen trump campaign had repeated contacts with Russian operatives, Paul Manafort? The former trump campaign co-chairman. It goes further than the Muller reports saying he was in close touch with a Russian intelligence officer who became a business partner. It says manafort posed a grave counter intelligence threat. The report says he may even have been connected. To Russia's hacking and leaking Hillary Clinton campaign emails, an operation it says was actually directed by Russian. President. Putin. The three year investigation also found that president trump may have misled special counsel Robert Muller One of the other headlines is that this committee actually made criminal referrals in June of last year in two thousand, nineteen to federal prosecutors on the list of referrals, Steve Bannon Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Junior. That's right. The Republican led Republican led Senate committee. Referred Steve, Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Don Jr. for criminal charges for lying under oath, and this is good news for Eric. When you the least favorite child, you get left out of all the family traditions, even the criminal ones basically, this Senate investigation found that the trump campaign's contacts, with Russia, during the two thousand, sixteen election posed a threat to national security, and the interesting thing about this report is that it's bipartisan with policies agree on the facts but. Each party came to a different conclusion about whether the facts meant that there was no collusion. And I will say it's always weird to see the same set of facts that are interpreted that differently it kind of reminds me of how two different guys will have different stories about how they fight went down you'll. That guy in the face and he was down on the ground lights out man. So Dude, I told that guy get on my face and then I took a nap on the
The Vergecast
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
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