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#193 Jeff Carreira: The Ordinariness of the Spiritual Life
"Welcome everybody's time once again for the next chapter with charlie hedges as he explores turning the page on his life and you're my guest jeff career and ice speak the same language i call it the language of the soul in everyday vocabulary. We talk about how the frustrations we face an ordinary. Life are also spiritual frustrations with spiritual solutions. If you've ever longed for deeper life than jeff. Carreira is tender and insightful. Guide to help you find your way. I hope you enjoy this show with author teacher. Jeff carrera as enlightening as i did enjoy Jeff carreira welcome to the next chapter with charlie. Hey charlie thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here with you. I gotta tell you. I'm so excited about our conversation today. Because you know as i've thought about it and and you know we chatted earlier this week. It seems to me we wonder about in the same play ground and and i'm calling the the integration of ordinary life and the spiritual implications as well as the driving forces of such a playground so so shelby a fun playground of ordinary life and spiritual implications. Does that sort of sound like our playground. Tell you it's it's certainly rings true from our earlier conversation. And it's definitely. I've been most interested in the creative and in kearney potentials of spirituality so in life. So i think in that sense you and i are in the same part. That's great well. We'll we'll we'll see as we go on now now. I did my research and you know it appears to me that you have written more than twenty books is that right that is correct yes. Holy cow That is that's a. That's a lot of writing my friend. Yes i'm i'm jerry inspired to write. I've written a lot even recently. And i have a very healthy production schedule book writing schedule for the next few years. Because i have a lot of things. I want to say so. I have a lot of books when i wanna right. That's funny after. I wrote my first book. I said it would be my last book. Because i said everything i know. I don't know what else to say. And and they were then of course. Mortar follow but but that was. I felt like after my first book. I'm done you know there's there's nothing left. Nothing left in there to say to anybody and it was funny was a. It was a whole different kind of book and i also noticed. Not only do you have twenty bucks you have you have an additional twenty online courses To help people find peace with who they are in the world. Both both earthly and spiritual peace you. You certainly are prolific artist I can't wait for our chat. Yeah thank you very much. I think that's very true. And and it's something always come very natural to me but people often comment on the sheer volume of creative output. That i tend to unleash on the world so it's sort of a god given energy or something but i'm not slowing down yet. That's good and you know and you know what's interesting is that there's a lot of you read through all the titles of your book and of your books and your courses although they are in the same sort of genre. There's a lot of diversity. It's not insane saying it doesn't appear that you're saying the same thing over and over again that there's a lot of creativity taking place in what you're doing with your your direction. I'm i'm interested in a lot of things And i've recently started writing fiction as well and i've just been very soul of enthusiasm In in many different directions. And i've done lots of different things and so I found a good medium to express at all. Well you know they. You said you found different things. You've really kinda lettuce into the next place. I wanna go is Now As i understand if i understand this correctly you came to a lot of your your observations after more than twenty years of deep involvement in spiritual communities and spiritual reflection and meditation and contemplation. I love for you to give us an overview sort of how you got to where you are today now. I know this could be the entire show but feel free to feel free to to give us an overview of that sure. My path was an interesting one And i would say that. I started out studying. Physics and Became engineer. I did that for a number of years. And at some point we started to do a lot of military contracts and i really lost interest in the work And i went back to school. And i studied Special education and i became a special needs teacher. And i did that for a while and somewhere along. The path I i found meditation. And i started doing buddhist meditation practice I also spent a lot of time at a french. Asking christian monastery Studying the mystics. And studying thomas merton so i always had a a very rich spiritual life in various directions and then at some point i met A spiritual teacher and a spiritual community that Just radically changed my understanding about what life could be about which essentially meant. I realized that i could devote my life to my spiritual pursuits that they didn't have to be what i did on the side. They could be the center of my life And so i. I became part of this community. We did. Enormous amounts of practice Meditation philosophy we were following was firmly rooted in hindu for Called advice of atlanta. But we were exploring all kinds of additional practice. No additional eastern practices buddhist and western practices And also just spiritual western thought and human potential movement. But so i was basically busy with that for twenty years Doing many hours of practice and study and contemplation and discussion with peers. And about halfway through that. I started teaching myself and as so often happens with communities that one you know it after twenty seven years of which i was there for twenty It fell apart collapsed. It ended it served. You served your needs and it grew. You grew me. It was you it had it had. It's it's good it had it's good bad and ugly parts like like human life ten lifelines. Yeah not not not much different than the rest of life Somehow i managed to really i think. Get the best of what it had to offer and avoid A lot of the worst can so. I immerse from that community. I knew a lot of people. I have been the director of education of our programs and so it was very natural for me to continue to teach And that's essentially what i did. And that's what i've done for the past eight years or so so you certainly are the person to talk to about this. You know and one of the things. I think i would like to make clear on this show. Is that there is a. I think there's a misunderstanding even among current mystic teachers mystic students that there is something really special about the mystics as they've got this really uniquely unique relationship with the divine and they have visions and and sort of extraordinary experiences and the people that i'm reading now especially i'm reading. I'm reading a thirteenth century. Mystic julian of norwich and she is very strong on the ordinary life on the integration of daily life and the so called mystical spiritual life that the mystical spiritual life is not just this time with the divine with god or with whatever whatever the the higher source may be. Let me let me give you a little quote that i read on julian and see what you think of this. I'm i'm really falling in love with you should norwich. And and and she was She was just for those who would know. She was in ankara's which means she was confined to impart -ment her entire life. She can never leave. It never leave. And they brought her food into a and she had a window on the street where people came by and got spiritual counseling from her so she had interactions with people but she never left and there was another window that lead in to the sanctuary so she could. She could participate in services. It was at a church but she. Just you know an anchor anchor right you know they live completely alot and she wrote this While she didn't write this Robert knepper. If i'm going to Mess up his last name but grew worth i believe is the way you pronounce it. And he wrote this of julian. Julian realizes that she does not need extorted extraordinary mystical or visionary experience to realize the compassionate intimacy with the divine. Julian sees ordinary human life. If lived in surrender as a as a way of divine intimacy and closes with this. If there is a bridge to divine reality it is already here in our ordinary life. How does how does that that quote strike you. Well that's that it strikes me as beautiful as strikes me as as a very true i feel very aligned with that with that sentiment Yeah this is tricky territory because like you said spiritual experience you know kind of extraordinary experiences big. They tend to get all the press. Yeah yeah the theresa. The 'cause they're you know they're they're extraordinary and inspiring and they're exciting and it's not to say that they're not valuable. Certainly they are valuable They aren't the point they don't they don't what really matters. And i love what you said in that quote what was said in that quote that really living a surrendered. Life is what brings you is. What brings you in divine union. That's what brings you contact with divine. Not explosive experiences not found mystical experiences. I mean those have evidently helped in some people's cases and the experiences that i've had have certainly helped me but they're not the point And i often will tell people that. What is so beautiful about meditation. And this you know. I take a particularly mystical approach to meditation Not always sometimes. I'm just teaching in it in a more secular way but but i also am very inspired by the fact that when we sit and we just do nothing. We don't try to change our experience. We don't try to manipulate our experience. We don't try to make anything other than what it already is. We just simply sit and rest perfectly content with the way things are i. Don't see any higher form of worship than that because to me that feels like placing yourself sort of right in the arms of the divine. And saying i trust you completely and so i feel no need to try to change anything. I feel perfectly relaxed. Perfectly content to just be with you and and so in terms of union with the divine. I feel that that kind of surrender into silence is is some of the most powerful experiences that i personally Ever have so. That's it feels very resume now. Of course he's talking about in life and and there's an equivalent in life which is to live a surrender surrender to the process of living which is actually a little bit more. I've never. I've never heard that term. I like that surrender to the process of living. You know i i very familiar with surrendering our. You know what i call. Our small self are selfishness in our self needs and self-centeredness but but surrendered to the process of living. Because that's a beautiful idea job that that's really good because there is a process of living that we're trying to make who would. We're trying to almost epiphany. Is it and make it wholly or or we look at it as if it's completely unholy when it's not win. When will we surrender that process. Then we are surrendering to the divine right. Absolutely because you know life is the divine. There's not a separate divine. Yes i so yeah. There's no other divine that outside of life this process this energy this life force. That moves us. That animates us. That creates everything that's what the divine is Precisely yes there's no other place to find it except in life. I always struggled. You know in my in my early days. Before i was really really so steeped into into this tradition but i've always dabbled with it and i always struggled with the idea of the of the spiritual and secular life to say there is no such thing there is no life that is not the spiritual life because if we believe in divine if we believe in god or wherever we want to determine that then this entity is involved in every single aspect of life. Not just this worshiping in a holy center in a meditative in a meditative surrounding or in a church or in astra or in a mosque. You know it's not that's not it's it's not defined distinctly by those appearances i it's it's every spiritual life is life. There is no life that is not spiritual life absolutely. You know that's an interesting about that is the whole idea of there. Being a secular life is really a very modern invention. Try to you. Know the the arising of the enlightenment and rational thinking and the scientific worldview in the middle ages they didn't talk about a spiritual life as opposed to their was as you were saying it was just life and god was the source of it and that was Nobody thought differently so it wasn't until people started to believe or start to disbelieve in some kind of higher power. Got all all of a sudden. The idea of a secular existence was bored. You know i. I have never heard that but but but in all my readings that supports what you're saying. Hey look you know going back. Quite a ways going back. They may not talked about the divine life but they certainly talked about what i may call the divinity of the ordinary life and that's a stoic. I mean look at this. Stokes everything in life itself in your ordinary in your ordinary living in what you ordinary. What you did on a regular basis talked about your character your internal being who you were on the interior and the stokes were very you know to talk to them about a a secular life and thoughtful life would be like what are you talking about. What is what is the difference right absolutely and you know i also will will. In speaking to people are teaching. I will point out that if you think about it and you think about life the whole thing is a miracle you decide that you and i are speaking the fact that we understand language the fact that we're even here none of this. Am i responsible for he. The it's i couldn't Create a world and a body and mind if i hadn't been given it then You know i would be lost and i. I often like to point out to people that in order to not see how divide and how miraculous life is you have to ignore. Almost everything was almost all miraculous in the little bits. That art are usually what we ended up focused on. If we're not if somehow thinking missing that point. It's funny. I was i was on. I was on a plane. One time sitting next to a physicist and i asked her i said with everything. You know about the The the elements of of the cosmos. How can you not. How not believe in italia logical argument in that there is a purpose and there is some entity that put this all together and She was not a person of faith by any means but she said just stubbornness. It's just too stubborn to admit that. It's not all about us. And and i thought that was such a fun response and and she was quite a bright person. You know what i wanna do now is i. I really the intention part of the intention of this podcast is. I want to bring this so-called this almost airy-fairy mysticism contemplation which you know i spent so much time. Doing i want to bring it down to earth and and you talked about that i that i really lie to you. Know in our conversation that most of That that that are entry into the spiritual life for most of us can be discovered in our disappointments are stresses and pressures of everyday life in. And we're looking for a way to somehow manage this discombobulated existence in what i call the accomplishment oriented culture from but i'd like to know from your point of view. How do you describe or how would you. How would you describe the relationship of stress pressure and the american way of life. How does that. How does just that by itself. Impact our souls. How does that impact our inner. Well we can Yeah this is a great question So let me just back up. Step sir. When i'm teaching meditation In a more secular context. I usually start with my own little miracle which was actually a pretty big deal to me But as a young person and as a young man i was incredibly anxious as so many people are and and one of the one of the things that i suffered from was very bad excellent which is a skin condition which often somehow seems to be connected to emotions and early on in my spiritual life after discovering a spirit of community. I had very very powerful spiritual awakening in meditation and my extra went away. I had had excellent since i was a small child. And and at this point. I was probably thirty two years old. And i'm now fifty six and i've i haven't had it since and and what's interesting is i can describe all kinds of amazing spiritual experiences that i've had but often what moves people. The most is the fact that it c- meditation seemed to cure my excellent. And and that's because people can relate to that because as you're saying the stress of life you know this we live in a in a cultural context which put so much pressure on us to to accumulate to accumulate wealth to seek for happiness to try to build a life of happiness. It it convinces us that every next thing is going to be the thing that makes us happy And we end up in that in that wheel of constant accumulation and all the pressures associated with it and people are really suffering. I do some individual. Coaching with people and many of them are just profoundly suffering with symptoms of anxiety and stretch. I i had to leave my career. Because of anxiety was an executive coach high level business executives. And i got to where i would get exiled of going to see them and i had great relationships. I mean it was not like there was nothing stressful. Nothing there were no problems. I had wonderful relationships. And i started stuttering. Mean i just. I couldn't even have a conversation with us stuttering and and it was all anxiety. And i don't know where that came from but but it does anxiety especially does replicate itself in our in our physical and are physical beings in the way. We live everyday life. And and i agree that meditation is a was. A great help was a great. It's amazing and the thing that When i'm successful in and really changing the way someone's thinking it's a fairly simple realization that i called the miracle of meditation. It's a simple realization. But that doesn't mean it's not subtle and challenging also but it's we are convinced and culturally conditioned to believe that we cannot be content and happy and relaxed unless our minds are content and happy and relaxed and so because of that we're constantly trying to manage our inner atmosphere of our inner mental atmosphere. We're constantly trying to give ourselves choppy experiences. Give ourselves pleasant experiences. Ovoid negative experiences. Avoid pain and and what i i really endeavor to do with people is to show them that actually. You can't avoid negative experiences. You can't avoid paying you know you. Of course we all want to feel better. We all want to have more pleasant experiences. But you never going to completely avoid the negative challenges of life but the fact that those exist doesn't mean that you have to be discontent you can still be just as relaxed and open and content even in the midst of challenging experiences if you learn That that you're not your mind. Your mind might be experiencing all kinds of things but you don't have to go with it. You know i had never. I have never read nor heard that just in that that you are not your mind because i am. I am cursed with being a thinker and with the curse of thinking. I can run that risk of being where my mind is. That's where i am. And yet i know the holy in the divine and my inner spirit are apart from my mind. But i've never thought of it in that terms that in those terms that i am not my mind and my mind is actually can be an enemy. You know what i wanna do. Is i want to continue with this. And and what you were talking about is a whole different kind of joy and and it it is. It is not in line with what we particular particularly in american culture will define his joy. What i'd like to do is i'd like to take a break. And then i want to come back and i'd like you to describe to us what this different kind of joy might look like that. Okay absolutely okay. Let's take a break Hi this is. Charlie hedges and you are listening to the next chapter with charlie. Today my special guest is jeff. Carreira and jeff is an unusual mystic. You know we we hear so much about mysticism and it and it just sounds so airy-fairy and so other worldly and so wonderfully at peace with the divine and nothing in life matters except that you are you know floating on cloud with god and that is that. Is you know there certainly bits of truth to that. Certainly there are bits of truth to that. But there's a whole different aspect and and jeff brings a very balanced approach. He brings that approach but he brings a balanced approach and we talked at the break before before we started the break that jeff was going to describe to us what a different kind of joy is instead of the joy of the minds that have happiness and all that we seek that there is a different kind of joy in life Jeff tell us about that fantastic Well charlie what i'd like to do is is start with a very brief story about One of the most profound spiritual experiences that i had. Because i think it very illustrates that deeper joy in a way that hard to just talk about. But i was on a meditation retreat and that the reality is i was not born a good meditators. I really did not like meditation. And i struggled to even stay awake. Usually meditation for years so honest retreat. I vowed that i would not fall asleep during meditation. And so i did everything i could to stay awake including biting my tongue. You know sitting it uncomfortable. Anything that would keep me awake at one night while i was incredibly tired But i was meditating so i was forcing myself to stay awake. I suddenly had this very strange thought. That i'm not really tired. And suddenly everything shifted and my body was just as tired. My mind was justice tired. I still had all the symptoms of being tired but the person that was seeing those symptoms was completely awake. And i realized that i'm not the mind or the body. I'm the awareness. That's aware of the mind in the mind and that awareness is always aware and it's always awake and it's always okay And and what happened. Was i went to sleep that night and my i felt my body fall asleep. I felt my mind fall asleep. But i was still there. My mind and body were completely asleep. And i was there and then suddenly dream occurred and i was. I was in a gas station in the stream. And i realized oh my god now. I'm dreaming but i'm still awake. And then the dream went away. And i was gone but i was still awake and then eventually i woke up in for three days. I couldn't lose consciousness so i was. I was conscious and awake all day. And i was conscious and awake while my body and mind slept at night and when i discovered in the hindu tradition they. They speak about that as turia. It's the fourth state so it's beyond waking and sleeping states and in that recognition. I found myself chacin. Aided by life fascinated by the experience of being in a body walking around shopping breakfast. I had no idea anymore. What the difference between meditating and not meditating was you know because i was just scientists awareness all the time whether i was walking around having breakfast or sitting in meditation you're all seemed somewhat relevant but all kinds of fascinating And suddenly i just thought should be a conscious being is so miraculous There's a sense. This deep sense of how lucky i am to be alive. And to be conscious and that depth of joy you would say joyous life joy of being alive gratitude for being alive his dare you know and of course on the surface there's moments things that make you happy things that make you unhappy things that make you angry things that make you sad things that make you excited Life continually stimulates on the surface fluctuations of our experience some more pleasant some less pleasant but below that surface. There is this underlying joy of being that is is part of all of our experiences. Just we don't normally see it because we're normally so focused on the fluctuations of the surface and we're trying to always get that surface to stop fluctuating and and because we're so focused on the surface of are being. We were disconnected from the the depth. That exists there. The depths of being misteps of awareness awakeness in the hindu tradition. They speak about it as sightseer nanda truth. Consciousness bliss it's the underlying joy of being and it's completely independent of what might be happening on the surface. And so the more you know. Ideally our spiritual practices are spiritual studies. Bring us more and more in contact with the joy of being alive with the essential Majesty of being alive and and yes ups and downs of our fluctuating experience. Continue but they don't bother us so much in the same light they don't become what it's all about because there are no longer defining you exactly exactly. That's beautifully They're no longer than most important thing. You know now you discovered something more. I have found that. That would be the way i would describe. Divine union. is that that in that awareness in the union with the divine there is an awareness of all that is going on and and i like that that that there's an some sort of healthy attachment to the things that are going on our life but there's a detachment and it's really. It's really critically written in the studies. That i that i have done is Annihilation of self and detachment and that we must detach ourselves from the not from the situation but the way i put it. This is my this is charlie interpretation is that we don't necessarily detach ourselves from the situation but we had to detach ourselves from that situation emotionally and physically driving us to what we decide what we're going to action that it is it is no longer the driver it is existent it is real we suffer with it we deal with it but it is not the driver of the action there is something much purer which you know in my tradition we call love and service and and those are those are those supersede all of these other things and i love your idea again. awareness of this Go ahead you know. It's interesting that the christian tradition the christian mystical tradition. And the you know what. I'm aware of of the hindu. Mystical tradition have different language. But the end in the end what they're describing from my experience at least seem so similar And and i love your use of divine union either because that awareness that joy of being that the awareness. That's behind everything that's always there that's alive me alive and you and alive and every single individual you know i believe. That's what in in a christian tradition would often be talked about as divine or god. It's we go ahead. Yeah when we when we contact that when we rest in that when we recognize that that is who we are. That's when i think we're experiencing divine. It's almost as if you're reading my dad. I i told you my notes or chords that direct our our conversation and it's also as if you've you've gone onto the next court because that's exactly what i wanna talk about. Let me read i. I wrote a couple of sentences here. And then i want your impression of them I am deeply involved in christian medicine mysticism but that is almost a misnomer because mysticism is found in several traditions. Each with their own distinction. And so it it's involved in religious and nonreligious but they each have their distinctions yet. They are so similar. What while christian mysticism may person may may focus you know the focus and christian mysticism has always on On the christ. But i have found almost shocking similarities and other traditions. In fact today. I mean As of the last couple of weeks after deep study of half dozen catholic catholic mystics. I am now using loud. Sue daddy aging. That is my those are my inspirational readings. Those are what. I'm writing on on the mystical life every morning. And you know. And i write about fifteen thousand words of journal a month and and and and i'm i'm journaling. The idea that i'm finding such christian concept's call christine concepts in loud sue but he didn't write them as christian concepts he wrote them just as truth as wisdom as the created truth in the created wisdom that is with all humanity and and With that i wanna to ask you a really difficult question and then going to get into your book before we close but I think you've probably answered this but let's just let's just kinda summit up what would be because. I'm still really interested in my everyday. Listener this listening to this podcast. That is not studying and deepening mysticism. And and sometimes you know. Prayer and contemplation can seem like you know this other worldly strange strange place. Tell me about your concept of mysticism especially as it relates to the everyday person. I know we've dealt with that all over but you know if you'd kind of on that up for me absolutely and you know one of the languages i like to use Because everything's about. What language do you use one of the languages. I like to use his around. The idea of a paradigm and different paradigms and and so mysticism in a way is a different paradigm is a different way of looking at reality and the thing is we are all in side of a paradigm and in in the secular western world. You know the world that most americans are living it There's a story about reality and it doesn't seem like a story when you're inside it just seems like that's how reality it And it has to do with with you needing to accumulate To attain things you need to create the circumstances that will make you happy. It's a story. That tends to point outward to find happiness defined fulfillment. You'll find it in the right job or the right relationship or having enough money or having the right friends or going on vacation you know. But everything is pending to point you out side and what the mystics discover of all traditions. Is that true film that is found within. And and that's what what what mystics tend to do they. They they look with him. They find that source of inner joy. The one that isn't dependent on circumstance and they learn to rest in that and then as they rest in this inner joy they start seeing through the facade of the ideas. About needing and accumulating And and and you just start to see these substance. It's all a story. It's not actually true you know. And then it's the more the further you follow that path of more. It becomes obvious you know there are just as many unhappy people who are rich as there are unhappy. People who are poor accumulation doesn't seem to do anything the necessarily to help. And so you just you know. The whole idea of mysticism is that you look under the surface so we all have a surface reality. It's the story that our culture has told us about. What's true of course. Most people that you meet are going to believe that story. We all believe that at one point or another can still do in cultivator extent. What's that i said. We're just so inculcated with it yet. On a regular basis it is and the mystics start to see beyond that story. They start to see a deeper reality and the deeper reality that they see leads to a kind of film it that just isn't available in cultural story. So that's how i would sum up mysticism for kind of non mystic. So so we. I i wanna talk about your latest book higher self expression and i love the subtitle holiday. Become an artist. Possibility is is that the book. Or what book would you say. Describes would be best for our readers to understand that. Does this book do that. Yeah i mean that's that is actually not even totally my most recent book but it's it is oh it's not okay. Recent book that i've written. I have a couple of things coming out. One just came out in the malcolm but anyway that's a whole story but this is a really significant book And i think in that book he'll you know people will find the the heart and soul of what i teach and what i believe which is right along the lines of what we're saying I believe that spiritual pursue mystical pursuits are. The value of them is their creative potential because we live in a world of possibilities. Can there's only so many things possible in this world but truly creative people. They begin to sense things. Envisioned things imagine things that could be possible but aren't yet and as they envision. Those possibilities articulate those possibilities explore those possibilities with more and more people they become possible. And that's how new possibilities or bore into the world and when you look. And and that's what i do in this book when you look at spiritual figures so in this book. I talk about The hindu saints romina maha-rushie of the twentieth century and ramakrishna th century. Also talk about another christian spiritual hero of mine thomas merton but right alongside them is i speak about a great literary figures like and he's named fernando gertrude. Stein artists like kandinsky and even big wave surfers. who and in extreme sports artists and what. I'm showing is that to these people who are so explorers on the edge of the possible whether they are inside of a explicitly spiritual context or even if they're doing extreme sports they relate to what they're doing as spiritual. It's their way of finding lutely do you. Do you have to be a special. Is there something that is needed to be creative person or do you feel like there is a creative dimension to most people are to all and the way that i would want to say that charlie is that we live in herod creative universe that awareness that we are is inherently creative. It's look it created this whole world in created every single thing in it and every thought that's ever occurred to anyone was created in that source of of awareness that is divine and we are all that and so the only thing that's required. I don't believe that people have creative talents. I believe that people are open to the creative slow of the divine of the universe of the cosmos. And so what's what's required. And what i try to teach what the book is about is charter. We open all of that creative potential so that more and more of it can float through us and into our lives in different ways. That's beautiful i. I i'm Interested you know. Usually podcasts would have read the book. But i haven't read the book now. Now you've convinced me. I need to. I need to get the book Kicked before i go to before i go to china on sunday but i doubt i can get it that quickly This is this is sounds like a very important read. I i really want to encourage everybody that this is. This really is the art of life. This is the beauty of life and and we are so inundated. You know with you know. I'm such an anti media. Anti press person. We were just so inundated with garbage and with problems and troubles with. Let's let's have contradiction and let's have you know. Let's not have unity in this. This is a whole different life and this this offers so much more new. Bring so much to the table. I'm going to put your website which is jeff carreira dot com right That's right okay. So i'll put your website on the show notes. I will put An amazon link on your book on the show notes that i want people to get a hold of you. Is there anything that That in wrapping up anything. You would like our audience to know that we haven't talked about. Well all i would wanna say is thank you charlie for having me. It's really been a pleasure to speak with you and thank everybody Who's listened And i just. I just want everyone to know that i know these difficult times But we have the power to really make new possibilities for the world. And i think that's that's the most important thing we can do together is create a new possibility for the world so I think that's what you're doing with this podcast. Charlie and i very grateful that you invited me to be on it. Oh it's such a pleasure having you on this is This is really incredible. And i want to thank you for for being on a podcast and spending time with me and i just love. The discussion is in in especially since is so rare to talk to somebody that that is in tradition. As i am. That is as a student as you are with such great insight. Thank you so much. I really loved having you on the show. Thank you so much charlie. I loved it as well. I want thank all our listeners. Tuning into the next chapter with charlie and be sure to check us out at our website the next chapter dot life. 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Laura Is the One
"The channel between hello again. Everyone welcome back to ghost where. The twin peaks podcast. I'm Charles skaggs back in the fortress of substitute now that may more like the basement solitude and of course ready talk some more classic twin peaks or at least twin peaks the return with my wonderful co host One of the just the coolest people on the planet of course is how you doing Dan. Thank you Charles. That's very sweet of you to say you're one of the coolest people I know. So that's not faint praise. In my opinion I gotTA Say Charles. You talk a lot about being in the basement of solitude. Yes I've never. I've never once seen souffle down. There turn sand should be making souffle. You should never ever overcooked soup play though. Just remember that. Where's that from assuming to? Oh God how did I not catch that man? I'm I'm slipping here today so you look just a little bit. I'm a little off my game. All right so everybody. Welcome all right. Yeah so So hey welcome to episode sixty nine dudes in Sikkim exactly. So yeah. We're back We finished up our from A to Z. Or is he a One of those things reviews last last time. So we're kind of back now with commentaries we're gonNA talk about that Obviously before we get into that though one thing I did want to talk about with Zan. Did you happen to see the link I posted? That was on the welcome to twin peaks. Site about Karl McLaughlin repr- basically redoing re revisiting the the introduction to Dale Cooper seen like very twenty-fourth he. Yes exactly the one. He really his recreation of that scene now. So so. Here's Cooper plus thirty. And what did you think of that? That the wonderful thing that moment I I loved it. I love the fact that you Charles have said numerous times. And we're not the only ones that every once in a while there's a there's an actor who is born to player right and Kyle mclachlan was born to a Dale Cooper and I love that he embraces that yes. I think he agrees with that that this is his his baby his he until. Cooper are one and the same and I. He's fine with that. You see what I did there at the very very clever more than more than more than any of his other roles more than politics more than more than the mayor. Shortland PORTLAND. Yeah yeah exactly. And that's why I love that about him. And so when he whenever he decides to revisit twin peaks. I'm happy to go with him. There's so many celebrities out there kind of looking at you. Christopher ECCLESTON that that don't WanNA assume that don't want associated with the role that put them on the map and you timothy up. Yeah exactly exactly so So I find it incredibly refreshing when someone like Kyle mclachlan Knows he he knows his fans the most. The bulk of his fans are twin peaks fans and instead of just running away from that or just kind of downplaying it or ignoring it. Or WHAT HAVE YOU HE EMBRACES? It like you said You know so so in this kind of you know this wonderful little. Because it was the anniversary of the day. Laura Palmer died the thirtieth anniversary of for actual continuity death Thirty one thirty first anniversary. Oh that's right. She died in one thousand nine thousand nine. That's right. I stand corrected. It was the thirty first. Yes Sir yes thank you and I don't like it was recently anniversary of was re to lead the anniversary of the rubber ducky. Song you know how old that is. That's fifty years old. I'm not that I don't prove that I'm like I'm not excited that I know excited to be a part of that plan now. I don't like that I don't like that at all so so anyway. So Kyle in a great bit of generosity towards his fans In in knowing exactly you know what side of the bread has butters on recreated great scene in the car where we got the introduction to Dale Cooper as he's driving entering the town of twin peaks and in a very clever way he basically you know Shot at profile with with some like maybe a phone camera or something on a Tripod or or somebody or his myself with somebody had it there but It looked pretty stable so I thought he might have had at least on a on a stand or something and and so what he did. He essentially may like a fake car window. You put like these little almost like like kid. Drawings of trees in the background. And you know kind of us like what Look like masking tape or duct tape or something to do the frame of the car window so I thought that was you know I mean it. Basically is like one of those like really cheap versions of movie trailers that you see on on. Youtube or whatnot where they kind of recreated each a The the Swedish trailers. If you know what? I'm talking about with Swedish. Just GonNa I was GONNA say he. Totally suite at the opening of the introduction of Dale Cooper and I love those so I was all over that I just thought that was great and you know of course Kyle. You know he's got the you know he's rocking the gray turning whitish hair now. But you know who? He's dressed in the black suit. He's got the you know the the Cooper do he's Rockin that starting to like almost like he's starting to turn David Lynch a little bit. If you noticed just a little bit you know just a bit doesn't quite have Lynch's great hair though but especially now that he's older but Lynch has some pretty amazing here that's true. I'm very jealous that like when I want to get his age. I would love that hair. But that's not going to happen so. I'm accepted that so But anyway I just thought it was great that he recreated that and you know he's he's kind of like he. He lifts it but The kind of gave it a little bit of its charm that he did that. I so adorable I I loved. He to celebrates twin peaks day. Yes and like I said I love that. He embraces the role of Dale Cooper because he was born to play that role. There is Dale Cooper without Kyle mclachlan. There would be a kind of clocking without dokoupil. I'm not saying that but I know there is no deal cooper without clock and I'm sure I'm sure somewhere down the road. Hopefully after I'm dead someone will ris you know reimagined twin peaks and recast it and whatnot. they'll get in their bright idea head to go ahead and do that but for right now yes comic. Laughlin the definitive cooper. We don't want anybody else playing cooper and I can't disagree with Charles. I hope that this stays what it is forever. I mean we have. We have home video now. You know it's not like this is a Shakespearean play that you have to Redo over and over and over again. No you know we have. We have this year it exists. It's perfect leave it alone but sometimes you take these kinds of things and you WANNA put your own spin on the whether it works or not. That's a bad. Yeah you're not David Lynch you. Don't get too okay okay. So we're going to destroy it. We're just going to officially declare then. Twin peaks is off limits. Yeah Okay I'm talking to you. Gus Van Zandt you always think of. I'm missing something here. What are you what what what is fans have to do with this? Guess Fan. He he did that. Oh that's right that's right. I kind of blocked out of my memory. That's why yes which I feel like like as soon as the shot for shying makeup of shot for shot remake of psycho his own. Take on it it was just like. I'm GonNa just completely copy that the shit out of this movie Kerry Karaoke essentially basically. Yeah and I feel like as soon as that movie out. Brian Depalma was like. Oh we can do that. Why didn't I do? There's nobody no director wants to be hitchcock more than Brian. Depalma's right so you know part of me. Part of me wonders if he was really disappointed that he didn't think of it first but then there's also another part of me. That hopes that even Brian De Palma is like Oh yeah no dude. You don't do that. You just copy a style. That's it I'm doing rear window doing debit. That's that's how that's how this is going to be but yeah I was Brian. Oh my God So many more Bubis Jimmy Stewart character is watching through those binoculars. Yeah it's going to be telling miscalculate the answer. Yes yes yeah Miss Torso the belly. She's now is going to have way more interesting stuff going on. Yeah she's a stripper. She hasn't Mr for Mary. Couple that bedroom yeah bedroom. Yeah and then that married couple that always has the shades pulled down there. No not pulled down more work. But I've always been wary of things I know. Yeah Yeah exactly. I've always been wary of of remakes reboots and things like that. I think sometimes it works when you do make it your and sometimes sometimes it doesn't. It's always painting but sometimes it's it's it's always that element. Was this necessary right as much and I am seeing that but I'm also looking forward to Jordan peele version of candyman right but I don't feel like candyman was Kenyon is fairly conic but I don't think it's and as much as I love. Jackie Earle Haley. No desire for a remake of nightmare on ELM street. Just none right fred. He's a little bit more. That's another one. That's another person who was born to play the Robert. England was born to play Freddie Freddie Krueger right and there is no Freddie with Robert and also William v but that's a different argument altogether. That's a different discussion. That's a that's a whole different. That's a whole different thing but yeah he Freddie Krueger is is Robert. Englund to me. Yeah and as I said as much as I love. Jackie Earle Haley I just wasn't interested not that it was bad. I mean I didn't even see it. I can't even. I can't even say it's better not entertaining. I was just so completely disinterested that I didn't even bother watching it so now I think twin peaks is one of those things should just sort of leave it alone. Leave it alone. It was a product of its time because now I feel like if you were to do now it would just be one more show like twin peaks whereas tweaks as it is was the first show to ever do the things that twin peaks Hickstead while the you know the really the only person that should be allowed to remake twin peaks is David Lynch. And he did with he did it. Did with twin peaks return in two thousand seventeen. So Hey we're talking and you also say yeah you could also say David Lynch renewed Blue Velvet when he made twin peaks right. Because we've talked about this that blue velvet it was kind of like the prototype for twenty. It was the prototype. Yeah so I just. I feel like if you're not David Lynch you trump David Lynch. She should be yourself no matter what you're doing. Yeah don't call it buyer. Yeah but but don't get inspired by but I think w you didn't. You didn't get to make this. Yeah you got. You're going to live with that. You know you don't you. Don't get to do whatever you whatever you. You were ten when twin peaks came out. Deal with that. You're never going to have been the one that may it's David Lynch's thing I when I said earlier about Karaoke a couple of years ago Phil Collins. Put Him doing old motown songs right and he wanted them to sound original versions as possible. You know so used in type of instrument same type of recording and it's you can tell it's very very lovingly done but it really sounds like Phil Collins Doing Karaoke. Yeah so it's like I want to hear Phil Collins Collins. I don't WanNa hear him do Karaoke. So yeah let's sign. Your excellent sometimes bands do cover versions of songs like cover between like weezer did a cover album recently. The grey album right but the right but it was it was weezer. Take on. That's what it was it. Was it like you know? One of the most famous covers out there which was seditious version of my way. Yes which is very much sid vicious version. Yes of my way right that kind of thing so when I hear a cover song. That's what I like to hear is a band doing. They're doing their own thing or like this the Simpson version of the promise. You know. I don't think I've heard that different. I haven't heard that one. That's really good. Yeah that one's really really cool so just just things like that or even. I just know when in Rome you know the when in Rome. It's the winning room song but does it. Okay so yeah all right I and I have to check that out. I've never heard that one. Yeah totally check that out. Yeah good all right so Anyway so yeah. Obviously we digressed on a little bit of a tangent there so I know we gotta give him credit for that. We did work it in a little bit. So yeah so Everybody if you haven't seen that video bottom go to our facebook page. I posted up there. check it out For whatever if you haven't for whatever ungodly reason haven't watched it. Please check it out. I think I think you'll enjoy it. All right. You will for sure. Enjoy it definitely so Today though Now that we're back in our commentaries. We're going to be talking. The Return Portend a Laura is the one and this came out back in July sixteenth. Twenty seventeen so God. What two and a half years mileage on this already Seriously written by has been. It's hard to believe it's been that long since the return By David Lynch directed by David Lynch Yada Yada Have some Trivia before we get started just lawson in this episode which. We're going to watch altogether. There's a scene which is a very awesome scene where candy smacks Rodney Mitcham in the face with a TV. Remote as she's trying to swat a fly swatter fly yes yeah and apparently That scene wasn't scripted. And it was basically the results of awesome an actual onset accident because apparently a light on the set fell and hit. Robert knepper the actor played Rodney Mitchum right under his eyes on his cheekbone and so- Lynch comes up with this idea. Well you know we come up. He basically devised the scene between candy and Rodney to play a reason why he's wounded. Why he's wounded exactly so this is just something completely outlived to explain away a cut on his face. So that is that is interesting. That's very river. Phoenix wack wack at himself in the mouth with a whip to explain why some Ford has a scar on his chin. I like it. Yeah well the other thing is more of a continuity thing but well I just know what she did. I know I see what you did there. You gotta fill in something to explain the scar. Yeah so it belongs in a museum up. Sorry it belongs to Coronado. Yeah not the So anyway. So we're going to be talking about this episode here be this is this is a fun. One Lots of cool scenes in this one guy. Richard with Miriam which is turns out rather horribly for for Marianne we've got J. d. e. kind of given dougie the I a little bit because hey he's not so flabby. Yeah exactly yeah and he. He moves like a Cobra bouncer bow. So let's and of course Jerry. Horne is still lost in the woods. And that's always magic so that's always magical and if we get the return of the Log lady so Everybody always magical. Yep and of course. Lastly we basically stick the landing on this one in a great way with Rebecca del Rio's performance of no stars which is my second favorite song after of course shadow by the chromatic by chromatic chromatic. Okay see there's another good example could cover yes her version of crying yes in in Holland drive yes Mohammed drive. Yeah yeah one of the greatest covers of all time because she needed her own yeah. She made Spanish lyrics with it and very very powerful but it also helps that. She's an incredible vocalist. She's unbelievable as as we'll watch here today so we will find find out exactly so everybody if you've been missing our commentaries hope you have We're back and then if you're ready we can do this. Let me let me get my IPAD. He I'm positive. Composite the black red after we see the Spinning Chevron floor paused and getting ready for Charles. I'm ready now. Got My secondary earphones headphones on ear buds and so for everybody playing a home game We are at the one minute thirty free second mark with the black screen of death as and said right after the you know the spinning spinning black. So if everybody's ready Yup all right. We're GONNA do this. We'll count US down and everybody get ready to press play in three two one. Don't play doing throwing. It's all black. Can't watch that's it. We're done here okay. Now there's mountains. It's a nice day here in six up until Richard shows. It'd be nice in the crappiest car you've ever seen the crappiest stolen car you've ever seen. It looks like it's Kinda like Colin Baker's fruit and Dr who series. There's just no kitty on earth. There's no cat badge. My friend Andrea used to call that a call. Those types of Cars Franken car. Yeah go away Richard Right. I got a problem. We have subtitled. Yes see this. This drives me like you need to call. Sheriff Truman. You need to go there you need to. You need to go talk to him. Yeah well this sort of Romeo and crap here Mariam. I hate to say it is not the brightest person here. Also this this is Richard Horne. Okay Yeah you can't tell him you can't tell him what your plans because he is. GonNa try and kill you this. This is terrifying this horrible. Well let's let's keep in mind. Who has natural father is? Oh Yeah I mean so Richard Horne you. Well you know. It's he's he's half Bob. Okay so yeah yeah. This is a man who beats up his own grandma right okay right it was. We'll see that later. This episode to Richard Cool. Richard is quite the charmer in this episode. Yeah he's just disgusting and he's he's an interesting an interesting actor because he can look very very tariff owned. Who is it calling of course? Who's calling Chad shifted? Of course. It's Chad Chad? This is why we. Hey Chad you guys. We'll just say that Richard just call Chat Pussy I. This is the one time on the American agree with Richard but so yeah So chats worse than Richard or Richards. Worse Than Chat Transverse in Richard. Because Chad chose this life. I don't think Richard had a choice. He was literally born bad. This is true so look he's GonNa kill me he's GonNa. He's trying to kill her here. That doesn't excuse Richard. In my opinion it doesn't excuse. Richard I just hate Chad's so much but yeah aim is an interesting character Interesting actor because he can look so scary in so evil but he's also so beautiful. He's a really good looking guy which goes to goes would would make sense. I mean you would think that Kinda mclachlan in sherline would have beautiful exactly what you would expect. You would remember. Yup So yes. It's Harry the late Harry Dean Stanton Everybody Reading Stanton Singing Red River picking up. I love a hours and I kind of love it. This is actually him playing this here. Eating Stanton is eating towns. It's obviously after nine. Am Yeah he's awake and he's got his cup of Good Morning America Yup right there. You really have to wonder like everything. Kara went through through his life. And of course stuff like that doesn't help. Yeah suddenly Carl also cover members. He's in a trailer park with trailer. Trash like Steven Se- but that's the problem is like trailer parks. Don't have on have to be trailer. Trash can be exceedingly affordable housing they are C. He's horrible yes well. I think that's how much it gets a fair statement to say that Stephen is trailer trash Stevens. Just just garbage people Brinkley. He's not even good enough to trailer. Trash yeah how much money you're you making. Mr Couldn't get hired by Mike Mr Bonehead boyfriend. You are horrible. Your horrible and again it shows how abuse what's the whole cycle of abuse here because remember. This is exactly which shelley went. Her Mom went through with Leo Jansen. So it's just like her mom's mistakes yeah abuses never okay. There is always help for you. Which places to go so after that horrible scene that we kinda need a shower from we go to the Mitch now. I'm realizing that he's shot. Only from the left. Yeah now you're going to be thinking about this every time you watch this aren't you? Yeah Yup Oh interesting this is. This is why we that's important. We learn things here on ghost with. Yeah this is this is. This is what we do. I Love Amy Shiels who plays candy in this and I love it assigned I find. I find her totally adorable. She's told and I want that table but they have decent taste is that I think they wear those dresses all the time. It's not like they working at the Casino and then came home in these cocktail waitresses. Like this is just want you to wear all the time when they're hanging out with them. This is their uniform. Apparently they were maids or something yet but I think they but it looks like it's maybe ten in the morning at the Mitchum's house so this is true. Pardon me kind of wonders if they just get canny manion sandy out of a box somewhere that the order from somewhere cloning lab like Fem bots or something kinda like sandbox exactly. Yeah yeah serious. There that are Stepford wives or something going on their thing. Yeah exactly here we go. Let's get the universal remote. Do it to you want to you. Know you want to whack and we go but she got the fly hell of a way to kill. It would take you nice. Yeah they have some really interesting ways of killing of bugs on the show. Yeah so I guess he's got a big old man. Candy is freaking the hell out right now. Well I would be too. I mean it's just whacked your boss in the face Kenny. Where's the bloody Mary is? Oh Hey it's John Aka Dr Flocks from Star Trek Enterprise. Oh my God. You're right absolutely. He's also he was also in a bit of Weird Trivia. Yeah he was also in a Nintendo salesman training video back in the eighties really. That's cool odd. I also noticed but oh yeah yeah have to opt to see if I can dig that up but there's A. There's this training videos that tend to put out for salesman basically saying I love it too because it's all these. It's all these ways to basically tell customers that they're idiots and they're not using the product properly. It's not that the product is broken. So it's all these things about how people bring something in to return it because it's quote unquote broke and but like the kids spilled so Huda on it or it was Or you don't have. The contrast turned up enough on your game boy. But yeah he tries to return Gameboy but the contrast isn't up yet so he just goes embarrassed. It's funny see if I can see if I can find it on Youtube so I have a question here. Okay so this is exactly what I would be doing if I were in a room with shirtless. Kind of McLaughlin I would. I would look exactly like Jane. Like Jamie is looking right now like so this. Is You like when you're famous? Let's Lo what do we deal a physical exam? Yeah see I feel bad for him. Because that's the worst when you don't know remember having my blood pressure taken for the first time thinking. I was going to die explode right there. Not Perfect perfect purse. I mean I will say I would prefer a little more hair on a guy but I would not stare at the Kyle mclachlan. So what? Here's my question so duckie. Obviously you know. He's still doug you pack. Yeah but his hair. Who is doing dougie's hair? Because it's all cooper like now. Does it just naturally form that day hair helmet? I think that is just ingrained in him to do his hair that way. So there's just more sign hubris coming back to us that you know he's got the more signs coopers in there he's doing the cooper hair. Poor candy doesn't even WanNa Martini case. The Mandy and sandy are giving her the side a little bit. Yeah it's like you just totally screw ups we'd while it's one hundred ten and eleven in Las Vegas Nevada. While it's the freaking desert and it's disgustingly hot right. I don't care how many times people tell me it's a dry heat. It's one hundred freaking ten degrees. I Know I've been to vegas what it feels like. It's horrible if you're you're standing in front of an oven. Yeah well in local news. The Spike was arrested. I got post busted by the POS. Yo the man coming down on poor ache. I finally stepped on his Dick. Remind me to call cough that hit on at a number of related gang England murderous. Got No kidding. Yeah anything that has happened in Vegas with an ice pick is probably like this bike. Douglas Jones he moved like a Cobra Moved Cobra. Guess go soccer mom. That's our actual character named by the way soccer mom soccer mom see no. Don't touch that. He's going edge shiny. The thing again we are. We're we're look. You know the the cooper meter is is increasing. He's going he's going to the badges go for the batch just needs more coffee coffee year. Yeah he we need cooper to be kapit. God Look at how good he is. That's the guy that's the guy it's Mr Jackpots. Hello Mr Actually Mr Jones me and Mr Jones Mr Jones Jones Jones. We gotTA thing go in. Nice Moore's house at the seven candy if they haven't killed you yet they're gonna it's GonNa be alright pretty much. Meanwhile at Elizabeth Arden summation stole Audrey Horne's shoes on others don't have heels. Those are flat out as a flats. Okay attractive Oh Yeah Heck. Yeah DO JD. Ease got the itch some birth day cage. Want some that's sweet. Doug eleven sweet dougy loves duckie lab. That's what it says on his license plate Dougie love. We talked about that. It's like either dougie Las Vegas. Lv or Dougie love. I liked that better so I I like to think it's love. That's all right all right. Where's my chair High Sweetie? I just came in here and just went to sleep just airy surreptitiously. It's very cute. Every guy should want a girl that eats and looks at Dougy the way Janey looks at dougy seriously and every girl deserves a guy that each of the sexes study so not jaded so not jaded about sex at all. Cooper knows this means Jake to right and unfortunately I bet she did. And unfortunately for Cooper I have a feeling that there's probably ingredients I'm like okay. This is going to end badly because we talked about this. This might be the only time he actually has healthy sexual relationship. Yeah here this is one of the best relationships. I love that face the Dougie feel so bad for Sunny Jim. It's like mom's a bit of a screamer apparently wronged. Gosh apparently I I've ever been to look at how happy he is every real happy to have sex with them. Yeah he's had her fantasy earlier and then you know. At least I at least got the front of his chest true but you got to see her masturbate in Mulholland drive. So even that's a that's a good point. I'll give you that. Dougy Cooper Cooper would be an extremely well kind and actually actually happy there. You know he's got the smile of content. And so what does he do? Once he becomes cooper he goes running off after. Laura Palmer sacrifices that it's not it's not where he belongs now apparently he belongs with with Janey E in Sunny Jim. No I don't know dougie belongs Janey. Sunny Jim yeah but Dougie does anymore. I know I know goes miserable lesser and again goodness speaking of another budding Romance Romance Yup here in twin peaks is set in his trailer. Kills me you know what I think dressed like that. He'd make a fantastic doctor. It's gotTa look I'll give him that lighting and the David tennant. Did you know for a brief time? There he had those three D. Glasses and doomsday so. Yeah Yup so apparently Dr Jacoby now become a youtube rant indoctrinating much. Yeah he's he's. He's the one posting this youtube videos run silent run I love. That's the name of her business. I would have called it silent running but you know that's that's that's me that's a been it's been done. Yeah I know you'd need three little robots if you this is true seriously. That's a depressing movie by the way. Oh my God. How bad do I cry when he has to leave a little a little Huey I know? It's the worst right so sad. I saw that when I was like twelve sultan's felt horrible about that movie. Ever since it's so said the at the Museum of Pop culture the site Fight Museum in Portland. They have a they. Have the the replica of the Dome? Yeah from silent running cool. That is clear. Yeah so sad. Poor little robot. He's going to be able to buy himself now. Here's trading who's kind of stepped her game up a little bit. She's dressing little nicer these days. But serious also seriously turned on. I think she always dressed fine but I think she's dressing better these days than she did back in the eighties nineties. Yeah I know but not the not the eighties and nineties. Yes there you go. Hey super dressed nice and then nineties cooper wore this suit. Yeah look good. That's all he did but I mean the time. Listen you there's nothing less than a black suit. There's also nothing more timeless than jeans and a flannel. Thank you very much Ed so at Hurley. Yep let's drive to work 'cause we still don't know where your car is exactly too busy. Jumpstart balloon up yet too busy jumpstarting. The old man on genie couldn't get my car. Yes seriously his his up yet. Have we seen that? Don't remember I think we have. Okay I think we have. I don't know where my car is. This says I've been here before. So what does that mean now? Is that kind of like a coral rod. I've been here before thing. That's what I that's what I wondered when I first saw this. Those donuts aren't for you. Chad. Don't it's over winners? Exactly K DONA surfer closers. Jad Seriously Oh it must be eight thirty time for the cats to eat because I ran out of the room. I'll bet you're a girl who appreciates beautiful day. Yeah I'm a woman. Thank you very much. I mean probably fits right now k. Exactly the don't come in and really get married. Yeah Yeah don't don't talk to me like you know it. Just don't talk. My husband has a gun. You know just saying yeah. And he's now a crack shot if you're a member. Yeah he's a fantastic shops CH-. I'm going to get the mail. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm GonNa go do that. This is something to the Sheriff Beautiful. Exactly now to create Lucy's credit. She's watching what's going on so she doesn't completely trust Chad. No she doesn't so he has to have his. He has detective work sometimes. Yeah so it doesn't good detective work sometimes. At least she effort here little something for the effort but but Chad is smart enough to keep his back to her so she can't see what he's doing mailmen that. Chad's up to no good to every I'm sure at the entire town knows. The Chad is up to no good. Nobody likes Chedda but yet somehow chats has a job well or but didn't we figure out you're out the return that pretty much most of the drug running that's going through going to come out of the sheriff's department now that Leo Johnson's gone this calls for you. Don't know that don't it's not for you know. Do you want as she want that? Don't it back now that he's touched it? Think about it. I just don't want him. I just don't want him to be able to enjoy eating it. It's got chattel over it now now. Let's get Chad Germs. Gross Check Kunis. I could eat that entire play to don't that's right now. I probably could too. I'm right there with you. I gave up gave up wheat flour for rent. I'm feeling it. It's been a day when it's time to relax Buckeye donuts just in. Don't talk about Buckeye donuts. Joan Greg on it's they they have the world's greatest maple long johns in their four hours. I love it I love it is I. Love the description though saccharin orchestral music. That's what it called. Its orchestral music but yet this crazy why. Soviet has not thrown this thing out of a window by now. I have no idea because Johnny likes it too. Hello Johnny Lakes. How are you today? Hello Johnny how are you today? Why does it have? What is it ever British accent? Hello Johnno see came to see you grandma yet. No get the hell away see terrifying. He's yeah he's going after an old lady here essentially Elder abuse good job. Johnny you feel horrible because he wants to help and he came to help and can't he's all tied up for his own protection but Jeez this this is where David Lynch can turn something like a suburban domestic situation setting into something so cruel and horrible. What is the deal with? Johnny's mouth? I don't know I think well known in their over remember. He fell down the stairs and hit that picture. Yeah I do. We saw earlier so so. He's all banged up. But why why does the why does it look like he has a what is it? Looked like? He has a piece of plywood in his mouth. That's what I'm wondering what's in there might be a mouthguard or is it bandages. And maybe I don't know I think it's a mouthguard orchard. Football players used because he's got it like kind of a helmet on so I'm guessing it's some kind of nobody has a gun in this house right in this town. Yeah Oh he oh he's wired shut. That's what's going on. Because he broke shut. Maybe it broke his jaw. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah Johnny. Yeah I would've given Richard points especially in grants I know. Now I'm going through your purse. Yeah it's like seriously. How does he know where her purse was? She left it on the calendar over there. Yeah Yeah it's over. They're going through the jewelry box. Yeah he's so horrible. Why aren't you calling the cops? Right now she just said to Johnny we. We can't make mad because he she was that he will kill them. These are the horns. You'd think they'd be able to put them away or something like that mean. I know she's not married to Benjamin anymore but he's obviously taking care of his wife but we're a little fuzzy on the situation but presumably divorced by now. Yeah they're divorced because she She calls and tells him that what just happened then. He drops the classy he stole. Oh He's so horrible. Yeah so this is why everybody hears when he gets electrocuted pretty much. Yeah this is why nobody cries for him. Nobody cries for Richard Horne port. Johnny please smash that thing Johnny. I love you but I don't know why you like that. Bear burnt with fire seriously. All right so we're catching up with What's his face Duncan Todd Todd. And everybody's finding out that spike has been arrested the community so now come on come on good boy. Come kill somebody. Sure yet. We didn't do. Who's a good boy a poison worth? She's size though perfectly being evil poor sizemore in his drug problems. But I'm glad he's doing better is nice of Lynch to give him a shot here. So yeah I I can't see Lynch being bothered by something like that as long as you know we shows up for work and gets you know doesn't do you do what you do. Sir Mr Jill. I'm pretty sure that's all lynch cares about. Yeah it Lynch's an seems like an extremely kind and compassionate man right relaxed you. You'RE GONNA generous in the insurance problem on on Dougie and then you're gonNA kill Dougie. Yep I'm in deep and you're in it with me now and here's one of our favorite couples state that has ever happened Albert constants. It's date night fabulous. This'll be me dude. I would be so right there watching them like you. GotTa check this out. Tammy TAMMY TAMMY check this out. Look look look look look. It's Albert and the lady from the morgue Gordon Yelling across the restaurant. Tara made Tammy come over here. You've got to endure. Albert's Albert's on a date with a lady and our would look over like really mean wealth casino and what that really is like what that building actually is. I don't know. Hey what's what? Yeah Okay when you say Tom Sizemore David. She and together right. You can't be good. It's it's on the holding up the wall there. You throw a lot of cars there Bradley. I guess so. Jeez you know sometimes yeah Jim. Belushi is executive. I picked in this. He wouldn't have been my first choice but lynch saw something there and to his credit. I think it works. I think him and knepper really was one hundred percent right. Yeah he's figured. I mean. He zeroed right in on that. There's great chemistry there. He sure did. Yeah they're perfect. You would never have paired with Jim Belushi in your life but David Lynch did but who would have figured you. Davis understands this is why David Lynch David. I'm just and we're just talking about him. Awesome Yeah it's David Lynch's world living in it we're all living in David Lynch's world trying to be as awesome David Lynch. We're all is dream disturbing. But who's the dreamer and actually I guess. Yeah yeah seriously. That's probably exactly. What are you talking about? But he ever knows they're not there to make sense. They're there to bring bloody Mary look cute. That's what they do. That look is just awesome. Deffers giving perfect. He's Emmy became a fan at his when he was on. Heroes and He he gives these great smoldering looks Yep Yep and delusions numidian solutions over there looking kind of like Ralph Kramden a little bit Kinda. Yeah One of these days candy. What are these days banks? I feel like Candy Mandy and Sandy are like the the Royal Corgis of twin peaks. They're just they're just walk around. It's just for show window-dressing perfect casino carpet too. But I found carpet is but sounded kind of interesting to look nice guys. Candies got nowhere to go. So what are they going to? Do you know they're helping her out? We're going to take your. They're gonNA TAKE CARE OF CANDIDATES. Any just put them in Nice. You know these showy showgirl costumes and they certainly dress. Better than the one eyed. Jacks girls did this is true. I did not like this customs. I know you didn't see. I thought they were awesome. Well you're looking at the costumes. You were looking at the part of the costume. That wasn't there. I'm actually actually looking close. I was looking at the close to don't stereotype. Come ON COME MIND OKAY. Tell me one fabric besides black lace. That was used on those costumes. And you can't playing card okay. All right okay. I'll give you that thank you. Yeah I'll give you that. Got Out of that one hot and Muggy with Katina hot smoggy in the afternoon. You're talking about air. Our facebook lucky there. Well what do you want Mr Insurance man? You kind of need Laura dern earns Diana at this moment going if you candy if you. Where's the bloody Mary? I'm kind of so. I know I'm going to have a guy murdered and I'm supposed to kill right. It's supposed to kill a guy but I'm really kinda scared about it. I I kind of love that Anthony is kind of a Clich love about this all right so yeah here. We have him trying to just get out of it. Yeah but it was all Douglas Jones. I'll let me spell that. Forgive Doug Jones so I know I sold the policy but I have nothing and the others are interesting. Because they're like bad guys rooting for your like right. It probably really was arson. I kind of want them to have their money. But it's pretty. It's pretty smart of a what's his name to try and get the Mitchell brothers to be the ones that kill Dougie. You know it's like hey if we say something about them they'll do our dirty work for US pretty much pretty much if we if we tell them that he's going to deny their claim then that's the one thing we don't really know how cruel they are or is it. Dougie changes there so they become good dougie comes. I mean it's funny. If somebody showed up with thirty thousand with a check for thirty thousand dollars in a pie it would be like my new family. Okay right so all right. We'll have I planted the seed or what. What can what are you doing? I'm staring at my waving hand like it's coming out a car window and I said show shown out it's almost like candy sort of rebelling a little bit. She's rebelling her if she is you have an enemy in Doug Jones. She's rebelling. She just kind of not that great you know. Just oh look at my dude. My hands are huge. It'd be Kinda funny. If Kenny was just messing with the Mitchum's intentionally. That would be. Yeah that would be kind of like. I'm just going to play the role of the share league. This airless Bimbo airhead Bimbo but see. This is what I like. Why do they live there? It's right right like this. This is a sitcom. I'd like to see yet just the Mitchell brothers and Mandy and sandy at home right. Yeah that'd be pretty funny my three girls seriously by three cocktail waitresses right so now we're at thirty thousand. Or thirty million dollars. What are we going to do now? I know how Brando felt not while he brando when when when when did brand new field. I don't know very many wasn't contender anymore. When he got when he had a heart attack in his own garden. I don't I don't quite know. Was it when you know. Hey Tom blew up. What is this? Well he's saying set up a meeting. Maybe it's like you know. Maybe he's like feeling like yesterday with the five families or something I don't know could be so who knows that's true that's true. They four hundred forty seven thousand dollars Mr Jackpots took and he's denying them thirty million so even more than they thought so on the sandy do are like they pour drinks and they stand around. That's it that's their job really. Yeah I think so. It's pretty good racket. I wonder if they get paid or do they get paid now because you know they said she. Yeah I'm sure they get paid and apparently they get their room and ruined. Book Board discovered right. You know I have a feeling. They living bunk beds and they have pajamas that look very similar to their cocktail wait. So here's Gordon drawing. What appears to be some form of map? Maybe a picture. Well it's an IT. Looks like a hand reaching out for a tree with like some sort of weird ant eater. Doug there's a knock at the door and here's where things get a little freaky the. Yeah this weird dog with Antlers. Thing has antlers. Yeah Laura he just he just opened the door onto Fire Walk with me. Yeah you know it's just Albert. What is Gordon's connection to our. I mean I mean Gordon's connection to lorries me. I don't know why said Albert. What is Gordon? I think it's just the it's just the connection things blue. Rose you know Laura Laura or it happening again you know. Maybe it's just that simple could be. It is happening again again again. It is happening not doing phrasing anymore. Freezing and were like is again Mexico. Did she speak a little Spanish? They have hastings. I know who he is. Yep He's gotTa take the site down to the to the zone so the auto zone zone. Yep The phantoms. Oh some always. Something's wrong with die. There's something wrong with aunt. Diane right here comes. Tammy walking down and slow moving knew this possibly day. Laura you think Cooper Gordon would be a little bit hesitant. Open that door after a little bit. Weird you kind of make. He did look through the people at least a photo could've like emailed that exit. Damn well still. This is much more dramatic. Yes I know. It's really something to find out. What kind of trees he did. What don't you mean my money? You took from me that money. No that's that's what she got in the divorce. I know yeah you know I could just see been saying this. Yeah seriously I would be concerned about Johnny too. I mean Johnny is Kinda helpless thousands of dollars you're gonNa make to me because you're the one who won't put them away. Apparently yeah you are Ben. You'RE GONNA you're going to send more money because you should because she is the mother of your Chil- your horrible person. You have a lot to make up for beverly. Can You bring me some more carrots please? I need all the carrots and maybe come have dinner with me because yeah everything's horrible. Yeah feel bad for Ben Right here. But that doesn't mean he's not a terrible person Ashley Judd. Only you can save me now. Have a little moment for Log Lady Bug Lady Time Catherine Colson. It's very hard to put out still so awesome that she did this. Oh Yeah Yeah. The Truman brothers are both true. Man I still think it's awesome that his name is Tommy Hawk. Yeah Tommy Hawk Hill When I'm reading words that say the circle's almost complete on hearing them hope that the circle is now compete compete. When I left you I was better learner. Now I am master. I wonder if that's the same log. Like oh you mean all these years the original actually is actually a log to some sort of like prop fiber s thing or similar is the one Laura is the one heck and she is one move one and now skip the second mess. Song twin peaks the return man episode over. Yeah this is where everybody goes. Aw all the episodes over still don't have cooper back and here's the the that awesome Chevron dress. Oh my God the Chevron Yeah Sequin Dress. Beautiful by the way that's moby behind her. Is it really well? That's cool that's moby. Well I'll be darned yes it is it sure is moby behind her. I love this song is great with that dress. So bad we get anything. In the roadhouse tonight or is it just music? I think it's just music could just to see. This is why I need to rewatch the show. So that's number how it goes. That's why we do if I were doing why we're doing it. That's why we do. That's why we do what we do. Charles we do this for you guys the listeners. What I want there to be a place like this town. Like the roadhouse for one night. It's Rebecca del Rio the next night. It's the top. Yeah that'd be so cool and if you're listening I totally I totally get the year annoyed that we're talking over the song but it'd be a really awkward podcast that we just. Kinda paused it for four minutes. While she does the song you should also have you own soundtrack by now whether whether you want to digitally or or if you have a digitally or on CD but also digitally physical meteorological meeting. Oh here's another little you should. There's another little bit of Trivia the the guy that's as the drummer in this. His name is Mick Flowers and he's actually twin peaks prop master Nice. Yeah see that's the thing when you get a job on twin peaks you get you get to be jack-of-all-trades sometimes you come in for a makeup and hair and then you become the villain. You never know what's going to happen. Exactly Yup Circus Frank Silva did yes like a certain Frank Silva but I don't know why everybody in town isn't at this bar every night because it has some music was probably the only thing going on in town so maybe you have to get the only thing I mean. You have to do ticket. Because there's only so many sneeze. Yeah that's true. Maybe you have to see. It doesn't seem like it's empty the US so no. It's full of people so probably they probably have to cut off the people coming in that other bar bar touch anything in their fire likely throws Brenner. Own about trump bump bump bump bump bump why around do? How did you have a nice dinner? You come back for everywhere I came back and now she's walking around the room like he's never been here before. Are you going to discover the laundry basket like most kids do? That's exciting goodness but So okay here's a question for you. Do you like this song by Rebecca del Rio or her cover of crying in. Mahala drive better. Oh boy. That's a tough one isn't it? It's a tough one but I'm going to have to say crying because I love that song so much. Yeah I get I get that I get maybe give maybe this one a couple more years of Q. And loving it and fan so I feel you. That's I get me too. Yeah and you know just you know how the were there in the theater. Just watching her and crying. That's how I felt right the first time I saw that scene. Yeah like this is the best. Song I've ever earned my life and it was kind of your introduction to her so and you just kind of like why basement yeah seriously. You're just kind of like well and I think I've told you before. Charles that the song crying was my introduction to Roy orbison like I think I'd known other songs by him but I didn't know they were him right but the first time I ever saw Roy orbison song crying so that songs the big deal so starring Coma Clung. Yeah no heck it. It's over the episodes over said but this is a great way to end it. You have to admit Oh yeah. Of course I mean the better music better the ending moby check it out. That's impressive I. E The Spike Stars Actually Co written by David Lynch by the way. We're really very cool. I gotta get back into. When I was a kid I would buy a record. I would come home I would put it on and I would read all the lyrics and liner notes and I knew all that crap. I Mr doing that again stepping away. I don't step game up. I've got a step my game up sticking to start reading headless chicken by gang. So that's the end of our absurd. Everybody this guy is telling us. Hey you guys have been talking way too long so around La crappy weather here right. You're right now in Columbus so I'm not terribly surprised but But it's very frustrating. Obviously so we have to stop and restart so if we see even more awkward than usual. That's why so you think we'd have this figured out by now. Is You know here. We are episode six nine dudes in. We still don't have a figure Eric. Yeah we're just a victim of our technology so anyway yes that's true but at least we're that you know watching the episode so that's cool So everybody hopefully. You enjoyed the return part. Ten Laura's the one very cool stuff you know like you know it's it's it's got everything that's episode you know there's there's just There's a lot of great character moments. There's a lot of characters being absolutely horrible looking at you Richard Richard Co Co away. Richard exactly go away Richard seriously so in just some great moments obviously like we just talked about with Rebecca del Rio and whatnot. So so what's your ready for this one? Yup deliberating I'm GONNA give. Yeah I'm GonNa give this eight and a half addresses because again this. I feel like this disturbing to move things along. That aren't original twin peaks. Things right and that for me was really. Kinda interesting when when I realized like I'm carrying about these other factors as much as I'm carrying about. You know what the hell happened. All my favorite characters. Yeah that's that's a great point because they know it took a little while but Yeah you by this point in the in the series you know you're kind of into the new mythos least. I was in for sure you were too. So so you're you're starting to get invested in the care the new characters the new situations the new plotlines and and things are starting to move along. Things that Things are picking up you know and we kinda see some progress with Dougie finally and whatnot. you know it just if things are starting to start to build finally so we're kind of heading into the home stretch a little bit and it works. You know it's I'm I'm really enjoying it by this point and so I give. I'm also giving you gotta give it eight and a half. I'M GONNA give it eight and a half. Tv remote flyswatter. Good one yeah. Goodwin Rack Brent just had to cover up face yeah exactly cover up that little era. I wonder if If Robert Knepper like sought any legal action for like a light dropping on him or was he dallas or is he like whatever because that would kind of be like an Osha issue? I would think yeah that would that would be an Osha issue. Yeah for sure. It's like your lighting guy like allowed someone get hit in the face and almost took his eye out so it was an accident so no big deal so I'm cool and everything's cool. I'm just I'm kinda tough. Y'All have candy. Hit me in the face with remote. It's all good. So yeah it's to what you gotta do make it look make it look good make. We'll just make it look good dammit. Yep exactly but I would have been like Dude almost to go by. But that's me I guess all right so yeah so. We don't have any feedback this week. Sadly so we'd love to hear from you love to hear from everybody especially now that we're back doing commentaries especially now when we're GonNa talk we're going to keep going presumably and So if you WANNA reach out to US reach out to us on ghost would at ghost with cast on the twitter or force at Ghost. What podcast at gmail.com the CI male gene or you can reach out to us on the facebooks at ghost with the twin peaks. Podcast would love to hear from you there and Zan. 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"Hi this is. Kenneth johnson kenny to my friends. And i've been speaking with tony tomato of sci-fi talk about some of my career The bionic woman the incredible hulk the alien nation and a few other things including my new novel. V the second generation. I listen. I hope you enjoy it. Because sci-fi talk is the place to be listening to park certainly built up a fanbase or his roles in star wars. The phantom menace. And so it's cool that he's playing edgar on heroes. Part of the carnival led by samuel played wonderfully by robert knepper. We'll get some insights into his character and look ahead to the dvd release of gi. Joe rise of the cobra. Here's my conversation with rape warning to good. I'm doing fine. How are you my pleasure episodes. So far with sam with your character of edgar the thing i like about him is that he will give his opinion too samuel especially when he disagrees with him. How much of that is in the script or is some of that something. You're doing well on that kind of my wife. I i have a feeling that myself and robots had this conflict. And when i'm living on i said to myself i think something's gonna going between the two of us that they've seen that going over trying to create and i remember the right to cover me. 'cause there was one thing that the when choke now challenge him in the way of arizona. I was gonna rent his neck and the and the mvp augments. Its right to light it but and this produces and life is there. Is there not too much. We want you to be more the on easy and be faithful. This character was you know. I try to mix it. I think when the right they should be this part of the now meeting. You have a lot of compassion and senior is very gentle and the also had this other side. I can tell you that roles. They said that's going to help positive with the character. So i'm watching where it's going and robert made the joke the week whereas he goes way never slow. Why not why not sliding smiling right now. When i do. Small one's going to say it because whenever an even the directors. reagan's eastbound onset. But when you're in charge you never smile. I know when we caught has mild but I just i know there's no room for on if you smile was much right now. Yes there is. That's one of part of the fun of watching the show and speaking of which bringing siler into that mix is is really causing some tension with edgar. Yeah when i. When i heard that back is gonna come in and one of the episodes. I weigh any judo off. That's that's going to happen now and then it didn't happen that way. Not really like you know like it was worth that can happen right. Universal law and they had builders mcconnell Out in the laws and really enjoyed it. And i think loss episodes and it was just one of the most fun after soci- and jim koi director producer. And he's a fun guy. What with one of my favorite they work or not heroes. 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Don't use nice and masha llah. I assure a more more swords sticks and ropes and southern. I will bring something like that. Yeah it's been it's been a really nice dynamic and you know that that carnival actually looks like a real carnival. It doesn't even look like cat was actually built on his set. Looks like it's an act of carnival. It's fairly interesting the way they did that. Carnival saver that night and not. Tonight's shot short. When media and snyder go off and i get jealous. That was not the guys are the to write in the cost numbers and crew on the right. But i didn't want to go on. And they wanna feel shaking after these nice and so i just know as a sham exhibiting realize they had some so many. I pictures off words. They had that right. There are working honorable heads. Great speaking of knepper wasn't like to work with him. He's such a talented. And i think underrated actress. A matter of fact. i'm. I mean he's a nice guy for one hanging out with him and you give me some good tips and watch how himself and i away actors. When i'm on set and from for myself. I'm always learn and i'm always you know. I don t cross every day and and i used to do. Joe opinions cautious when i first got. La been very lucky too busy and keep working on a found that being on set and the onset training on the job training or experience. I've just getting back through. And becker as i'm watching. Rub it you just also and just a just to watch him and then some stuff and he's very classical trained as well as behind him and he's good at what he does it brings it brings to the table and i'm very lucky to have you know share scenes with him and and the and the producers and the writers in very gracious gracious with screen time and not. Just jump around and kicking and punching. Everyone is it's nice. it's not it's not i think. There's more sci fi talk so stay. Tuned back on sci-fi come tony tomato. The challenge for this character is a you kinda have to keep it what he feels contained inside. And you only have to let out a little bit because you know if if he lets out too much ill literally explode. Yep that's the. That's the thing i went on for him and i said to him when we did the funeral scene at the beginning. I really making this backstory up from my head of. I wanted to know it was about when i really wanted to make hough grant should be it first time. I won't get what i do. And i went up for pm and i'm standing thing bugging me. I have this. I'm really really close to joe's. But i'm unsure about samuel down trusting that i want that's exactly i'll good. I'm glad my hunch and telling me this. Because that's what i was making up in my head. I want to make this up and he goes no. That's not so i. I often question. So i was with the coq. Grow good to have a hunch middle button. I'm making that. Backstory became true and that and he just had like you. Just you know he's unpredictable. And you trust him. Because you have to listen to because he is carnival. And that's that's what i mean and get the feeling that i guess we don't really see joseph or anything but i get the feeling that they were very inclusive and really didn't look for anybody but samuel kinda wants to bring in new people with abilities and kinda shake things up a little bit. Yeah that's worse going. Why found out something about a month ago with robots carrots. And i got really excited because i love the show and i'm a fan of the show before i was on the show. I thought reading from the in an episode. I always off script but it's being hot. There's been a few weeks from not right in the episode. Because i wanna keep myself so in your dogs i wanna sit and watch it on tv and i'm not gonna come next button on any of the show and also downwards an escape is z. Whereas unfolding there was nothing. Joe's more calm you know easy thing simple and nice things for him but doesn't take too much attention like like you. Said samuel is different now as far as a domino the physicality. That's something that you know. You're martial artist and you know all different kinds of physical moves. Was it like i guess for the because of your ability to move quickly. The the fight like the first fight. We saw you in with milo ventimiglia character. I guess you had to all. That wasn't a little different because you are moving super fast or anything like that. It was my her this thing. I'm a big fan of my great. Do that with milo. And i always joke a lot of like at least on see. That'd be both could've each to on. He's he's a big style was found later and we just hit it off quickly and they had him do he's done. Coordinator has some voice in and core mild tonight. The rusted little flavor into because i know with my catch with a knife i went through making big and what i was wearing. How do you show. Joe will make you pray. Flashy but i was curious. Mind out how we're going to film it. I'm it's funny. Because i always love whenever awesome skills. Spe- Say fees a lotta time with be fostered in the real world and awesome be precise and and have that dynamic but when i can go on the fight was milos is completely us. We were able to just and easy positions and of course we had moms we we have to do. The stunt coordinator said let go offs the aussie slow modern. I would look at each other and then suddenly rely two thousand miles an hour and they're going at it and it was just because we're both energized. Both had like down. He's getting excited. And so as i apologize because like with any john's caught me. You know you try and foster. And i was just getting into it and So we had a bit of different contrast we had a regular. You know getting slow slow. It's the out actually They say and then solo screen so it was a different spanish from me. But i really enjoyed it because i was able to get really clean. moves out and i know you have children changing. Luckily maybe sometime. So i just wish it was one guy they sped up there will be some content in the fires but as i always a reason why things are done and it look good. You know It was just for what it is. I wish you know slow down the pace. We did but that look good. So what's the can you say. What's coming up for ed dragging. When when are you going to win. We're gonna see you again on this question. I'm sorry i remember the after hours in because Early on in the season. I mean up until i'm trying to remember now that i'm in here helping now. One of my favorite episode is thanksgiving episode short. That weeks ago and a lot it comes to the table is a gonna come to the head like things. Some some thanksgiving dinner or christmas. Dinner was an argument. And i can say about that. Yeah that sounds send something get something good. There was interesting is. I always wondered if You know what keeps you know what keeps edgar from just literally telling samuel look. You don't know what you're doing. I think i could run this place know. I wonder what keeps him from doing that question. Because i do think and i'm episode Where i ask him femi samuel. I initially was challenging him. And when he said said things. I'm getting like Upset with him. And i wanna challenge and go at him. I did that. But let's say you scared of this guy know when you can do the same time. Stand your ground on my the cowboys. I get one challenging. But i think it would be too soon. You know he's seen in. The story showed the be question and worse coming on the samuel become really powerful throughout the season and whether telling me where my story is going to go and get into not a complete. What they're telling me what happens offers thanksgiving is. I'm really excited about it. And i've i've been co two different versions story. I just hope it goes one the first one. I was told to really get one at the beginning. When when i mentioned this to the i hope healthy it to three sixty one. I'd want to buy some completely different and on so i don't know how was it was gonna go with it but i'm excited. I'm sure i'm going to get my next clip. It ended and there. I'll find out some from what you've shot already had. Did you work with anyone. Besides zachary from the from the euros gang and obviously the carnival folks back. And then i was waiting to work with matthew and i got through with good. Haven't done anything adrian. Yet sir hung out with asia. Started like everyone on says we will hate him. I'm not that it. My in one of the episodes do and i was looking for. That was a good one today and he was fun. He's guys sit down and hang out and he's a chest with. We've been very nice to me on on the scene of and giving myself that really that pollution have. I'm just i'm bringing it brings not. I'm back into my memory. Now remembering order climbs had on the show. So yeah it's great. It's actually. I really liked his whole carnival dynamic and his storyline. And where it's going. I think it's i think rob really brought something to the show that they really needed and Admits it eight great With my wife were you guys are on going guys. Koga depend great to. I'm still. i still pinch myself until my stuff. I'm on here excited about heroes. Never joe no you know. John love they. You know my kids but because all the heroes is working on here as release the movie was coming out so when out of the double whammy of excitement leading. Enjoy my show. Yeah and what's needed is the. Dvd is coming out for gi. Coming up set. Yeah definitely not push them out of my kids shit. Nice just to sit down and they can sit. They're my son went to school today. Live at snake highs lounge. Both quite quickly tweet thing and i. It's just nice to be able to do that. When star wars came out I always wished to have kids. And so i can let them fresh off his mobile. My son's not interested in and i caught. He wants batman. Oh yes my michael whole anyway. I don't so am i. i can't blame there What's interesting of for for snake is is watching one stunt. That was absolutely incredible. And that's on the On the the car chase where essentially you're chasing like this suv and you get up on the roof. And and it's just. I mean i. It's hard to to see where you began and a digital version of you comes in. It's really it's hard to to pinpoint. How much of that did you do on that on the rooftop of the car and all that i did a lot of the chase on a rooftop and maybe savings very tricky. I mean they did a good job that would that give off too much information really good. I mean i was more nervous about. There's younger captured in her on the movie. But i to go along. And i i punched my sort through the roof as trying to think of a cool way of doing it so not easy from things but i wanted to be something unique to write that ray would bring to the table at different a little things given to me from the stunt guys. Why don't you try and these guys where you ask you to now on background moss and i was like what would be. What would the off moldy would would he do and So i go to my out make it up in the reverse grip on it. You know come down with power and it was with the caught when hama was back but now in worn these that the cobblestones frog and the driver was going to drive a full. Jeez fifty miles an hour. And i hold new thing and i was never worried about four enough to call being until the summer. I was worried. I was going to grow up with solar because i felt like martial arts thing for me to screw something else. I was really nervous about the not and knows about screwing may want to make it like others just getting through it and just have to get done. I wanted to be very extravagant and flamboyant with it. But when you until the car. And i don i have stuff and hamas so That was very that knows it. It was a fun movie You know as a longtime fan of i had a gi joe longtime ago and and I never saw the series. But i was really impressed at the the mythology of with cobra. And all that. It's actually a very deep mythology so it's Hopefully the movie was this cassette success. Hopefully have they talked to you about doing another one. i've resigned. I was signed up for three. So i don. That's all the same as ex manager as well. Because i was never in the x. Men i i never saw take it for granted. I'm gonna be next ones. But i i felt like i did a pretty good job source snake eyes and fans are the right play tonight cause and reading the fans where he's four. Smelting is helped obtain. That's not just keep that job but I really want to win before. I go to jovan heroes i i made. I said to my wife i can. Now i'm done with had about two months off. I can't fight business or the way playing the bad guy. I had to talk some time out. They want wanna train anymore. They want to try out. Just wanted to just relax and enjoy my family. And then i took the next step in july. I'm going to judge announced three months. I wanna start trading ready on the case next lawn and so my training change and an electoral heroes to cyber a this way in my voting. My mind In addition to what. I was doing before and i really like hope their sexual and I'm really have fun. But i wanna get back into suit and and just be snake like i'd love to come back and say dolph morning back and play host and if i do that for the rest of my life next ten years of my movie career it'd be non for our in mind a great show place speaking of star wars. Have you heard about the the The fans have been kind of asking although lucasfilm says i don't want to do it is to do with three d version of the trilogy of the entire saga. I heard that lucas was gonna be three sweetie version of and this was about two years ago. So i don i he was. I was waiting for the tv deal waiting. Come back out. I saw something that anniversary minutes. Something my done. Yeah nothing nothing. Resigning i was like a is it to me. It was important and I'm sure georgia something georgia's amazing and what he can do and you know is i'm sure he'll get something done yea Actually it would be. They would be cool to have darth maul. Show up in the animated series. That's the clone wars actually. Actually he. yeah he couldn't show up yet. He's gone already you know he's his brother could come back there. You go he. Tv show. i up to the fans. If joe johnson come back and played off moral our version i would insist inversion touchy voting. And even three. I worked for my double ladies. What some double bladed lightsaber. i had. W that. I was hoping that you might ask me back and i wanted to bring something you wish to the table been truly i could handle choose. Everybody goes There's good trade from them. My shoulders role so it was nice. I'll tell you that. Fight that fight at the end of that movie. It's still it's still holds up as one of the best. I think in star wars history. Really is great yeah. I'm still amazed that we did it in a way we did it. But but that was you know. Twenty one twenty two and younger and put the time into it and he's just a time and i still watch on. Oh yeah yeah. who doesn't. It's a great great fight of your star wars fan. It's definitely one in your top five. I would say no doubt about our signs quarter now besides Heroes so you mentioned the martial arts movie anything you have coming up coming out sometime this year as cool cooking fighters right by gordon. Chance he i me. He's one of my favorite. hong kong. Director is one of my favorite movies officials. Legend with a deadly and maggie. Shoes and sean fair Myself and a bunch of actors interspace on a video game with the nineties. Cloud play google's and And and the thing is i think some they're twins. He'll maybe how is portrayed at the moment because of the selective fan base i again wish beat the biggest game time king of fighters more of an underground fan fan base and my cats really six before going from germany germany so coming and read. Today's game I was unsure about in a movie for a video game because a lot of movies onto that will never portrayed always easily disappointed so I sit director. You know we gotta get one thing straight right. Click is i enjoy. The nothing library will reach my head. Fans gonna be disappointed and He's not the different time maybe this week. And maybe maybe we need to bring how acting different. And maybe bring some different to the cat like i did for because now and i'm hoping hoping that it's you know whatever and and get oh cool that's meaning received really well and the leading may surprise and they like fun maybe work on the philippine martial arts every day and i know say again. I didn't get to the tamasha. I one but it was still funds. If at a p for professionals oh yeah that's great. I really wanna thank you for taking the time out from your schedule aug talk to me. It really appreciate it You know really you know. I think you're i mean you're physically talent and i think what's great and edgar is. Were seeing Some acting talent coming from you and really making this character very real to To to us send and we want to see what what happens you know next with this whole Carnival storyline the thanksgiving episode. Sounds like a cool one to To wait for a good one. That's is a nice london. The if one quite a cowboy then good that describes that describes edgar you know he can boil sometimes but he does he. Maybe he's simmering. Buddy doesn't quite get to the point yet so he could say closure whistle very small. You go you go very special. Thank you to johnny edwards and also. Nbc this is tony tomato. Thanks for list. I parker play at. Ub cougar heroes. Snake i go dos mwale fan minnesota and of course this line code and x. Men one and you listen. You sifi cool.
IGeNIGHT Special with Intermission Youth Theatre's artistic director, Darren Raymond
"Three sisters from the same Mr bringing together in media listen as we collide create and connect kids Bellwood risk and young people young aspiring actors as well and they will attend all the most vulnerable in our society. Darren dating me than having been can you tell listeners yes I am. The director of charity called into mission which probably certain piece of new writing that tells the lives of young people in education and holds a mirror on effing that issues and exposing the system that ignores I have confidence in them to be the best versions of themselves so we mentor young people overtime bumps in every aspect of their life vacation social kid teams from a particular plate and impositions around that discussions around around those those stories Either we the company well show I'm happy to talk about Buffalo Bob off because of our stories about young people program it's not about really about how good they are at the ready interested in that this one by power people to urged language with the work that the people kind of creep physicians this new fusion of classical contemporary text in new set primarily Western jumping from the sixteen fifty twenty five who comes from a disadvantage backgrounds all deprivation the vines over that period inspired so a work and 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Inside Real Estate Episode 77
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Show tears from Real Producers Magazine We'll we'll talk about the publication and what that's all about. You guys have an event coming up next week which we will actually be Doing our show live from the show which we've never done. I'm really interested to see how that works out. We've we've done live shows before I know but it's not an event like no okay. We're going to be outside are we. I don't know what's going on lots of details. I think it's in the works. Tally actually transitioning great at the DEB. HOUSTON deb is the event planner extraordinaire which is always whenever we do? We do an event like we have like fifteen people show up. It's like fuck faulk man. There's a lot of stuff to do and so I can't imagine like trying to coordinate events for a living but that's awesome so Kudos to you. deb thanks for being on the show. Thank you for having anyway so Transitioning I I. I just kind of want to go into first and foremost I just WANNA shout out Kris tears. Husband cody for not showing up. he I haven't talked or heard from him since I beat him in Golf WE'RE GONNA CALL HIM MR press because he kept pressing impressing us down like a one hundred dollars of point. Oh boy he pressed so much they won the last only lose ten bucks but he's still lost just want. Everybody know that specifically so Chris. If you're listening you're coward or call vehicle play again. Maybe you're back which by the way he did pay me through it through my window as he put next to me any crumpled it up in through my window? So that's a big little side story terra real producers magazine Just so the audience out there a understands doesn't know about real producers. It's a it's a magazine that is hyper local but it's a national publication. Basically but what happens. This is market potentially has a magazine for their market. And in that market you guys showcase the top five hundred eight or not showcase but the top five hundred agents in that market get the publication anywhere from three hundred to five hundred. Got It so and then what happens is you've got companies like Omega lending which is our mortgage company that basically Pay To be part of the the pay for ads right. Yeah which helps support the Publication and get it out to these agents and it's a really cool publication because as a partner in the in the publication. We have an opportunity to not only be in that publication in but really. I think what you guys do really well are the events and the the ability to network is a Lotta these agents who are top agents getting them all in a room to converse actually get a lot of people think that it's so cutthroat. Nobody wants to late. Everybody's like fucking everybody like in that market but everybody just wants to be cool with each other so so talk to me about the actual i. I WanNa talk about the publication because it is across the country. So Tara how you guys got involved and you know what you what your thoughts are as far as the benefits of being right so real real producers and it is a national company. Started about four and a half years ago with Rimington Ramsey Indianapolis and currently across the US we're about seventy five areas different areas and by next year. We'll be in one hundred markets so it has grown extremely fast and and really the goal of real producers to build. And you'll hear me say this. In every event and many of our videos the goal is to build stronger relationships in the real estate community to bring together the best of the best. So when you go to our events you look around the room. And it's you know all these top realtors that are from all different brokerages all coming together because in real estate relationships are everything. I'm sure he has what so I've ran into many people who have done on deals with each other and then they've actually met each other for the first time at our events and a lot of cases with relationships. Someone may have a deal on a house in all these different offers. But they're gonNA they might choose the person they have a relationship with over someone else that they've they've never worked with so really. I mean I love overdoing growing fast Chris and I own real producers of Oakland County and Wayne County money trump right. Yes in the area and then there's a few other Close by we have real producers of grand rapids which Jody Hawkins runs. Isn't she does an amazing job over there and then also Ellison Peterson Toledo which isn't too far as well. So so let me ask you so basically so every so you guys have Oakland Wayne County. And then there's you know so but it is ultimately different because every single person owns her are there. It's a franchise right. Is there like a formula that is followed. Basically you know what I mean like because producers in Oakland County might be different than real producers in Colorado. Right right. Well we all I mean it's a franchise but the company and to publishing they do an amazing job with training the people that they're not just going to say. Hey here you go. Here's your area and go do this. They have there's all these steps it's like their hand your manual in a way So that if you follow their program it works and You know in the beginning. Obviously when you start something new your little scared like are people going to show to the event you know like I'm new in the area. I'm not even I don't even have a real estate background so it was a little you know it gets you a little nervous but actually Ed Franklin for Mac Brookside to me at our at one of our events. She Goes Tara. Sarah if you build it they will come and I was like. You're so right. Eighty like this feels so good and people you know they. They really like they really liked to all come together. And thanks to you guys for being a partner because because of the partners we're able to keep the magazine free. The realtors renewable to feature the realtors for free right so a lot of people don't know that and then the events are free for them because of our partners so you you know why not why not come right. Well that's tasteless. What was you're not a real atop real? We should create a mortgage magazine. Nobody's GonNa read that so yeah it is interesting because when when you first started this you came. Obviously I mean I've known you for some time but you gotTa Kmart Office and you're like we're doing this thing and I'm like all right. We'll see how it goes and it's been a and I think you can attest to this. It's been a really valuable. Go for us even even though it does cost money to be there. Well I think it's a a breath of fresh air when it comes to doing something like this right like all the time. People are pitching canoe. Come on you know. Do our magazine Royal Oak with while I WANNA slam magazines or whatever but it's like all right. Here's our money and then it's like there's no value you're in it right the school to like see it. Come to your door and you're in this like magazine right. But there's no real value for relationships right like just advertising versus like being able to kind of have a foot into the community right and I think that it's great for us. It's been great for podcast to write because it's all like familiar faces and it's more or less making friends as opposed to just feeding off people for business. That's that's the way we look at it right. Great I it is. It is one of those things where although we do pay to be there's so much value provided some of your Partners maybe they don't get that You know they. They don't utilize it the sweet fucking. They're like really cool place. Odd obviously DAB is a big part of Creating these events but the vents are really where it's at select being in the magazine as as as as as a mortgage company. Yeah it's cool but ultimately it's the the events being able to shake hands meet people Everybody's in a good spirits deb. Talk to us about your background. Why event planning because that's seems like a crazy crazy thing? Yeah it is a little crazy but it's the best job ever. It's I get to be the party girl throw party. I plan parties and and it's a lot of fun working with tears in great great I am new Israel producers. I've been planning events for over twenty years. I got my start at the Michigan Design Center and Troy Way back when and uh-huh so this is. This is a lot of fun. This is Kinda my dream gig right now but it's awesome. Yeah so this'll be my second event with real producers. The first one was at the Sapphire Electric home and it was awesome bloomfield which was amazing event. I love about the model. That real producers does for events as we always find really cool. Unique is location of yes. It's always something different pressure. Always something different and you have to have something different otherwise people are going to start getting bored so you have to keep that the interest with different elements of the event and sell this one coming up in November November already in next week already at the Detroit Shipping Company. Ah just as a really good school venue and and it's just going to have a completely different flavor to it but it's it's going to be a lot of fun that's awesome. So what are some of the challenges when trying to plan these events for because how many people get getting a hold of people yeah yeah. RSVP but No getting people I mean. Sometimes sometimes that was a joke. Their Day from the politics not returned text messages Dave. You're listening which is not but yeah. Yeah we typically means just goes off on nest anyways so oh yeah so I mean how many people expected these events. I mean we generally get you know between one hundred fifty. Two hundred. People lasts event at the Sapphire luxury homes. We had just hundred two hundred people in that event was actually a little tricky because we had it was rain on a main road so we had valet but also we had a shuttle shuttle. People like actually was a party bus logistic but yeah it would shuttle people from Church so yeah. There was a lot of things that deb was a big help at like I honestly I didn't even really think about the shuttle and she's he's like that's a lot of people they're not gonNA fit in that light and I'm like oh I'll go on realistically okay just to be Fair These top agents are pretty pretentious. Right they're not gonNA want to like not have something like if they had to like get there and there's something that screwed up you're like screw this. I'm going home right. Yeah you gotta make it convenient and in the one in Detroit's pretty sweet gig At valley even though they have a big parking lot there is a because I know we're going to fill up parking lot and it's just a really cool venue venue. I mean that place is. It's made of twenty-one shipping containers and it took him three years in three million dollars to build that place so it's really cool inside. They have like five different restaurants coffee and creamery they of Detroit. Pike Caz the of Beach Volleyball in the back for the summer and next week you guys will meet you guys will will have the owner chat on your podcast in their building. A whole near expanding know that space spanning into like business offices. It's really cool space or something. I don't know exactly what he can tell you. Details when you tune in next Wednesday. Ah so that's awesome so yeah I mean look I mean. We've been part of the magazine and then so now you get started Oakland County Yeah right And now you expanded to Wayne County. which is this event right right exactly? So talk to me about that because You know realistically those so everybody in the world knows these two counties are really close to each other. Are they touch touch each other at the same right. It's Metro Detroit really three counties metro-detroit mccomb Oakland and Wayne Right. So is there is is it. Is it odd being so close that you can have two different markets or two magazines right next to each other or can they sustain themselves now they can sustain in. Let me just explain Oakland County alone you know. I live towards Rochester so from one end to the other. It's an hour drive. I mean it's a huge huge population in Oakland County. I mean and the that goes. That's the most realtor in that county has the most most real estate is out of the three. It's probably is it is a very. It's the most affluent in the most populated to yes and then Yes Wayne so like our publication is based off where the realtors offices are so they could sell Oakland Wayne mccomb but we send in. Wayne I mean you get Northville Plymouth Canton Detroit. Grosse Pointe Detroit's boom and renowned the far north on no vice. So yeah you're right. Yeah you're right there so Yeah I mean in with doing six events a year. I think Chris and I are pretty set on just doing Oakland in in Wayne. It'll be. Yeah sorry AH maybe in the future but not by we grew up in mccomb. So you know it's interesting to you know what's interesting about this. If you think about real estate Brad like try not to kidding. Of course yeah. So if you think about real estate just think about about the amount and and this is just very like the amount of opportunities to create a living off of real estate right. There's just so many different ways. It's such a huge. I think we forget just because we do the mortgage side and we do the real estate side but the real estate in general is a is a huge industry in our in our world. It's massive right. It touches so many different like sub industries. I don't know if that's a real thing or not but that's what I'm GONNA call it. So many different industries and in professions are influenced and impacted directly by buying and selling homes. And and. That's what so realtors I mean for you guys partner I mean realtors there the in- influ- influencers. Yes I mean think about it you move into an area. They're going to ask the realtor. Where do you recommend go you you for this for that? They're asking the realtor so you guys are I mean. The realtors are such a resource to the people in the community. They thought so. Here's the thing too. So and and this is why we as a business as a mortgage company. We support realtors as much as possible Because the reality is you know sometimes people look at the mortgage side of it as separate from the real estate side of it and you know they don't get along some real estate agents look at the mortgage side is just part of it and almost like an annoyance right. Okay just get the deal don right. But the reality is real estate agents are out there generating leads and getting business and ultimately referring those that business to companies like us. They're so important. In in the real estate transaction we built our business on the fact that we built good relationships from real estate agents rights. And you no. It's not oh it's just where the people go first right right I mean should they go to mortgage I. I mean then we would be the most important for that but by the agents are actually out their boots on the ground like they know the areas the schools. They know this I know that. So that's why they go to them. I like yeah. They're like frontline out there like that. Yeah and then life for as a mortgage company. If you're not thinking of real estate agents as like real partners in value like like there's no sense in like why would why would a real estate agent work with someone and give them revenue and business if they're not supporting them. Yeah I mean it's like they're a storefront right like they have to have something something or a product for each thing. That is good right. So whether it's just the mortgage of the title company or an Inspector Insurance guy whatever right they have to have a full suite of things that that take care that client because ultimately they're the ones who they talk to. I am relying on them. The whole way there's real estate agents are super important born in a you know like you said Southie. My people get money from the real estate agents potential referral right. They're gonNA refer an inspector they're going to refer this. This is the mortgage company Title Company. Like all these facilitate the yeah to deal with all. These people are making money off. What they're doing? You know almost well I I guess that's one way to look at it just more or less like a necessity right. It's not necessarily like about even making the money. It's just who's who's part of that. That relationship right part of that sphere. Yeah Yeah so So I want to go into the terrorist background a little bit because Yeah Tera Ju just because I think it's interesting because you know I don't know how you got into the mega so we'll talk about that. I know Chris kind of got into it. talked him a long time ago. But you used to do Co. now is to sell nine years Hall of fame I walls in the in the factory. My face is in the factory on the wall. I like. I like a coat salesman. And you're like you know. Make make a living. There is a dude who just kills it. Yeah Logo Yeah Yeah. I'll tell you what anyone that does cut. We're having having our kids. We're my husband's already trying to get tyler my boys to sell it because it is like I mean I was. I was there for nine years and Chris was selling going for fifteen years. Yeah we both ran offices. We both sold quite a bit. He sold over. Chris sold over a million dollars in Cusco. So but I mean by the way I will tell you something it. I'll even know. This was a thing I mean. State teaches it as class for sales experience. CARRY-ONS I'm telling you what what they still do they did. I don't know if they still do. Don't quote me on that but I will say it was the best experience as a Coming out of high school if anyone wants to get sales experience go sell cocoa because they have the best training they teach you the sales process. Yeah the you call call basically. You're not cold calling you. Start Your friends and family but you learn get leads like I get excited because I I am passionate because I one hundred one hundred percent believe in what they do and I one hundred percent believe it as a gift because it is a gift people have forever Robert knepper forever guarantee so people when you buy. It doesn't investment. Listen I mean you need to get set a nice right if if you cook at home and you do things. He's so even if I think about it. What else do you use every single day? I mean think about it. You put your Logo Omega and that or inside a real say whatever you put it on a knife. They're going to see that every day so for realtors there amazing all right. I can hannatised Luke if Luke is listening. Come here and do a demo for them. Because I'm telling you anyways I can go on but I do one hundred. It's great experience dance of those guys. That like Sam's Club look they are not give while they are in Casco. Now I don't know where else are at because I've have been out of the loop because I was a stay at home mom for eight years and then Kristen I joined together to do real producers which was missing. You know interesting right because like If you think about their model like they have sales people who make a lot of money versus just going directly to a retailer and selling knives right but when you have someone pushed the same product. 'cause I mean I'm sure they're great knives right but so are whatever knives you buy at the store right. They're not they're not the same material not the take some really nice. Nice out there if you go to the store and buy them right Jin Soo nuys. Whatever it well? There's some German ones that's that's the biggest competitor but they don't have have a forever guaranteed like cut myself. I standard consumer like. I don't Russia like Nice. Nice Nice night. What are they westhoff knives or whatever the other so those are really nice knives to? Yeah and didn't they do the same thing they cut meat or vegetables. Or whatever right like people aren't like thinking about like the forever until someone knows and sells it to you Dollar tree and get a dollar now. I can do that every six months for you. Also probably wrapping up at home. If you actually cook listen. I know you need the job. We're going we're going. We're going down the rabbit hole. I'm I'm just saying like people don't think like that and sell them right unless users cocoa would just be another knife and people use and it's a nice knife but but they come in the way more sales just from people pushing it. It's the reason I think it's interesting is because if you think of like a salesman like a Kirby vacuum there's probably Oh really good vacuum right but that that's a tough gig right. Cut Co people are like Shami Cut Calculus. It's almost as cheap enough. That people can give it as gifts and that's the whole thing right right like you sell it to a lot of consumers are not cheap while they're cheap enough. It's not of Aaron Investment. I'm thinking one hundred and fifty dollars. Oh you know what this is what I would tell you. I'm saying that like businesses can tear that give a nice knife as a gift versus a Kirby vacuum or whatever like hey give a vacuum as a gift. Give a really nice chef specially and spicy. But then they're selling the knives right essentially or they're giving them to their clients essentially like So my whole my whole point forget the not just wanting my whole point was that I mean Tara like busted chops and like I mean. I'm sure there were some adversity. When he started selling cocoa knives right? You had to overcome a lot which probably built you ought to be able to do other things later on right right. I mean that's really what my point with that is like you chose to do cocoon. Is You stuck with it for nine years and you had success with it and so why did you stop doing the cut co and and you know and then move into something else well i. I had three kids under under the age of two. So when you have three kids and diapers I had to take a break and I was a stay at home mom for eight years away. Chris Switch from Toco to do in the magazines. Well actually this is was interesting so the guys who created and to publishing the publishing company they are actually from co Okinawa. Yeah so a lot but I will say a lot of the people that do work for and to have that. Cut Co background so we knew so we had friends that ended up of working for them. And we Kinda you know. That's what you know. You've got a good sales organization when you got spin offs that are doing really well. That's really good right. Look at quicken. Quicken loans say everyone at not everyone. But a lot of people worked up united wholesale or Flagstar are mortgage brokers at some point usually started at quicken nonetheless. Ask Right and the success started at another spin off that you know just depending when you start up my my thing is if you have great sales training and but by the way people that are listening sales have to be dirty you can do good things and give people good products and still sell them. You can believe in your product and still sell someone you can only sell if you believe the product though in some people sell some bullshit but if you if you believe in your product and you listen to your customer yes it's a fit right sales as easy right. It's not a fit and you're trying to push something that doesn't make sense to someone in that's when sales is dirty right even with real producers. It's like it's like a no brainer. What you're going to go to disagree with that? I'll tell you why it's a no brainer. So when you walked into our office it's a it's a long commitment and we were early on in our in our in our business and I I I told Brad. We designed to decide the three year contract. He's like excuse me I'm again. It's getting you know whatever. Look a little pay off. You know what I mean and be but that's that's like a big thing but but I also think it is what you make it. I think as a partner like you have to like make whatever you do good right. It's up to you on some double to right. And you have to participate like if your partner of ours and you don't come to events kind of missing out on a herd of what we do of you know. There's so many publications out there and you just advertisers events. There's no social media. There's no you know you know all the extra things that we offer for partners partners checks and pay or pray right. I mean you know we're going to do this. And hopefully someone calls us right versus participating putting a little sweat equity in by the way I just want to mention real quick so just so that other like listeners are aware all of our partners partners that are with real producers are recommended by top producers in the area. So we don't call. We don't just get anyone in our magazine. So so when when I tell every realtor in you know everyone that we meet with so no that if you work with someone in our magazine they they were referred by other tap producers pretty good in the beginning their preferred. That's that's really so the event that next week deb. What should people know about it so it is Wednesday November thirteenth from one to three? PM At the Detroit Shipping Company which is right in the heart of the cast quarter which is really cool up and coming areas of the city absolutely absolutely free. Beer and wine locally mm-hmm well for the for the partners in the realtors people that go there on the list you have to be on the list. We'll be drinking on the air. You have to register for Yes yes you have to register your extra people. Bring US alcohol doing her show next week. I'll absolutely I'll assign someone to the restaurants. They have this really cool food court with all these. He's very kind of Eclectic detroit-based local food vendors. And that's the that's what we're going to have available for the party. Guests says No I don't think there's going to be allies next week. Yeah it's an amazing venue but Local craft beer ear. They do have an art gallery in the in the event space. So you're going to be on the tour the tour the facility and mostly connect and network with it's pretty cool Eh most the Mo- most of these events are really cool. Because you just end up talking to people it's it's really it's like it's like oh I saw I saw you man like you just end up having a conversation so I think utilizing using that network I think as a real estate agent super powerful. Because like if you're around really successful agents get stuff out of that right right. That's really good. So of course. The live podcasts next on the stage in the beer garden yeah right on the stage. We're putting your rate up there interesting. Just said it four times in on it it is outdoors but it does have a yes. That's covered so just where Jackson just and again. This is a private event. Like I've had people email me or try to sneak their mortgage companies. Then you have to be a partner to come to these events and uh-huh if you are part of the top five hundred Wayne County you will get an email directly from event bright from us with an invite so I I think sometimes people think. Oh I'm just gonNA stop by and bring a few people well. I'm sorry that's not how we work is interested in being a partner we can chat with them mm-hmm but in some categories no You know there's a few categories. We don't have anyone like I. I had some people in Oakland County. Look for an organizer someone organizer Declutter We have an Wayne County right now but even like pest control like that's something that I don't have yet Such a lot of value adds right. Because it's a good network for example a CPA right right yup a CPA angel. They haven't done it yet. I don't know they should though you've told them to do it so I do appreciate that like it's not like all mortgage companies. You guys like cap it up our mortgage companies with some cool with but like not like it'd be very easy every mortgage company would WANNA be part of it right very easy to have twenty in there but we I don't because I mean again. Think about twenty businesses at an event. We don't want that you know like a diversified and again our goal these the events is just to build relationships. We don't want anyone be like. Hey how you doing I saw mortgages. That's not what it's about so I I think even for some partners that are newer in whatever they're doing just to realize like it's it's about relationships it's not it's not a sales opportunity like don't be passing out that like so. I think sometimes people probably even think when we do like our podcast right. Yeah that we're going going to be like afterwards. Like put them in a corner like hey you got some two steals lake. That's just not work so you even give us no a decision very early on that we we are relationship based and if our podcast lives on his own like we talked about our mortgage company. 'cause we what we do but the last thing any gas bill comes in here. That's a real estate agent. That already has a relationship with the mortgage company. They're not gonNA come here if they know we're GONNA be like. Hey Man hey deals give me some deals you deal. Yeah if view get we have one guy in He was in Grosse Pointe and we were talking and he's like this is what he did he like looked at us he goes okay. You give me one. I'll give you to remember like all right. I'll see you later. I'll never talk to you because that's not what it's about so all right so we do this thing called three questions on our show and they're totally random except the first one and we'll ask you both equally so you can both answer dub and Tara First one is what scares you terra. And then we'll go to deb. What scares you? What's what's your what's your fear Actually I don't drive on expressways. Is that real. Yes for real like even if I go via telegraph I got an a rollover accident. Ocean it back in two thousand and seriously traumatize me and I just I just avoid it. I've tried and then I get up. I get an anxiety or panic attack back in. PTSD IT definitely. Can you be in the car I can be in the car. I'm finding someone else's driving if I drive and I tried and tried I freeze freeze in like my body is like it's so so it's hard you know when I have to go somewhere. I just take a little detour. My my actually my. GPS is set to avoid expressways and freeways no way. Wow that's knows because I had to drive me around to some events of what happened to the roller excellent. Would you. There is five. Oh okay do you remember when the firestone tires blow in so five of us were in a car going to cut CO conference in Chicago and Rate in downtown Chicago a car start a car next to like turn his wheel rate into us us in the girl that was driving Jerky we all the frontier popped in all of a sudden. You see the whole car lift up and we rolled three times Two girls flew out the windows that no one died or anything. You know what it was crazy like. I am by the way I got to tell you this and this is a good for anyone. Anyone listening. I was okay I was nineteen. Okay I was the only one in the back seat wearing my seatbelt in everyone the whole time. We're like making fun of me. Like oh you wearing seatbelts seapaul. You're in the back seat. I'm like I don't care I just feel better and sure sure enough we get in a rollover and I'm the only one where my head doesn't hit the ceiling and I'm actually early in my seat so a lesson. Everyone doesn't matter if you're in the fighting back where you're at. I mean you never know when an accident will happen so wear your seatbelt. It saves lives. So it's a little extended but top. That scares yeah I don't have any major phobias. I will say however since being a mom for some reason flying's it's kind of a thing for me what's love to travel but getting on an airplane requires a little bit of a pre medicinal league red line and read man. I'm fine once I'm up. It's taking off in turbulence in landing and I gotta be. Have my headset on with music. Going not matter who's sitting next to me I'm digging in you know I just. I just went to Mexico my girlfriend's the same way like I'm like dude like relax or I'm going to move my seat like I'm GonNa go somewhere. No offense the last two years and it's been it doesn't stop me from traveling if you really think about it. There's this big metal objects lying through the air at a at five hundred dollars an hour. It is scary but I guess just in. Everyone's different right. But as soon as I buckle in and that thing starts moving you got no choice. What average Manhattan whatever's going to happen it's going to? That's the whole thing crashes. There's nothing nothing no no outer music. Or unless you're gonNA fucking though as you've got a lot of time to think about it. If that plane goes down in a car you can pull off the road road or total control things. Total sales assert packing. A Squirrel suits jump listening like super loud like foo fighters or something and I don't hear the engines and the noises of engine makes your okay. I love the the movies on their great wrestling. Excellent the movie says like I know I'm like don't right. I hate when we start to land and then the the guys like we're making our approach approach to Atlanta or whatever like dude like you just fucked movie you. Our next question is if you're on a a deserted island by yourself and you can only bring one item. What would it be one item later? One thing mitee are you serious. I fucking because like okay. I don't drink I don't smoke. I have my tea. That is my rephrase. This is my anymore. What phrase? I don't drink I don't smoke anymore. Yeah anymore so I that's like my one thing is is my ginger Jasmine tea. That I make kind of my obsession are you. Are you need like hydrate and have something something so I guess that's just off tougher. My Okay you said thing. You didn't say person so all right what about you. I think I bring a boat. Oh my gosh I'm going with you. She's the planner. Yeah it is true. That is what you. That's perfect planner. Alrighty it's a great calling card if I was on an island I bring a boat because I'm on a planner idiot. Okay if you could spend a week in somebody else's body who would it be. Why Oh dem you'd be definitely know me man? I mean off the the top of my head. This is kinda random but I would say Madonna because I always love Madonna and like what interesting life right. That's all right Madonna deal always been my favorite. That's interesting I might have to go with Trudi styler. It is the wife of sting and show actress. Who just beautiful? Oh I've always admired her. She's mid sixties amazing figure. They have a villa in Tuscany. They're grown grapes and making wine and she's married married to sting you know that's all right. Okay so maybe you'd bring St Paul. What about you? What's that what about you in fact? I've never had anybody do this. No one ever asks you a question. No nobody's show. WHO WOULD I be for a week? Yeah Yeah I'd want. I want to be the president of the United States for a week. That's what I want to see what that's like and I want to see like what they know and what they don't know now I wouldn't say maybe potentially this president maybe like another one but like I would wanna live that life for a week just to see what it's like personally mad. Oh I man yeah that's never. I've never had an interesting one. I don't know like right now. I guess like on on a live person. I think it'd be real interesting to be like Jeff bezos right. Like what it's like to run like Amazon insane insane right like we think we're busy like Amazon would have down week that week. You'd have to maybe do some do some One of the prime specials Everything's on special for having black Friday. Monday Tuesday Wednesday. Okay but I would. I don't know man it'd be for a week. That would be the question the house for you. Don't I don't know I mean I don't be Aaron Rodgers where weak W. Good. He's pretty good good. Him share similar under eye bags. Yeah you're also Big Green Bay Packers Fan. Yes his that will will be actually. That'd be sweet. Yeah so like the man Are Well Tara if someone wants to be in the magazine or no there they have to be nominated so oh but if someone wants to get a hold of you just talk. How do they get if anyone? I mean yeah any questions or if someone you know wants to chat about potentially partnering entering or also if you WANNA nominate someone for feature reach out to me We do have a few new features coming up after the New Year. One is called behind the scenes all-star so if you have a you know all star assistant or someone that is like behind the scenes you can nominate someone to be featured I wanNA shine some light. Where do you have that you know? 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"The channel hello again twin peaks fans welcome to gust would the twin peaks podcast odd cast. I'm one of your co host. Charles skaggs in the basement of solitude once again ready to talk. Some twin peaks the return with one of the best people on the planet. We call Earth aw ZAN sprouse. How're you doing Charles. I'm doing much better after that introduction. I don't know how anybody could be anything but awesome. After hearing something so awesome from someone so awesome who else is here wait but is he bigger bigger than me. I don't know but anyway welcome to. That's what everybody here episode sixty two. GonNa talk case files and which of course is part five of twin peaks return. It just came out she on June fourth two thousand seventeen written of course by Mark Frost David Lynch directed by David Lynch Yada Jatta. You know how that goes but a lot of characters in this one a lot of new some good some bad some you just want to punch in the face and some you've been wanting to punch in the face for thirty years true true true but It's going to be a lot of fun to talk about this one zero nine before we get started though. I WANNA mention that Xanana got sees a more David Lynch Lynch movies over the weekend or at least eight Lynch we did. We got to see Mulholland drive on the big screen you guys when he did. Studio Radio Thirty Five Director Series presented by Mike McGregor did Mahala Andrews which as I have said before and we'll say again is hands hands down the best billy Ray Cyrus movie of all time and after watching that scene with you. I totally understand why you say that. It's so funny. He's so funny in that because I only see I've only seen mulholland dry like once before this screening or no. I'm sorry twice twice before. This is my third time seeing the movie so so like I knew what was coming on like what was going to happen like I know when the the the Hobo Lady POPs out in that big jump jump scare moment still gets me but yeah but even though I'm just like waiting for it going okay she's coming but but the billy ray Cyrus Orissa some. Maybe there's just party that just kind of tunes that out so that when it actually happens on the screen I'm like Oh my God that's right billy Ray Cyrus in the the holy crap for crap man Yup so so that was fun and obviously you're into it. You're laughing your ask off on that so funny I mean he's you know what's his name through comes home to find his wife in bed with Justin theroux and he's he's really mad and she's the resources like he's probably upset like he totally understands. He's probably mad at the guy cheating on his wife. It is actually being sympathetic toward the husband probably yes then of course he goes and gets her jewelry box and hot pink paint on it. That's right and then billy ray. Cyrus goes to pull them off. pull him off and he's like hey. You're on your way to treat your wife. Man Care what she's done and I just think his his like sense of morality is just hilarious like really. Where are you getting getting your concepts exactly yes like maybe you're missing the point where you're cheating on my wife or your your life. My wife is cheating on me with you. You need to get the hell out of my house like rate eight now and my peers in the void here billy ray what's up like have you seen silver linings playbook I'm trying to think Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Lawrence I think I have seen that movie and he's living at home after having thing been in a mental one with Robert Deniro right. Yes yes well. The reason he's in a mental institution is that he almost beat a man to death because he comes home from work one day to find this guy in the shower with his wife wife and Bradley Cooper in his wife's wedding song is playing on the Stereo Okay so he confronts them and and this man who is standing Berra's naked in Bradley Cooper's House with Bradley Cooper's wife Loose Bradley Cooper Square in the eye and says I think you should leave leave man like I'm GonNa see if anybody should beat anybody up to the point of almost killing them. I'm just saying I understand. It's Kinda justified at that moment yeah. That's the thing whereas I think Billy Ray. Cyrus would have been like yeah. I should go at least understands his tone role in things a little bit better and of course we we felt bad for Naomi Watson's Betty. I feel so bad for she makes it's the classic error of opening the mystery box such states to show. You don't open that mystery box this yeah for those of you. You haven't seen Mulholland Mahal and drive. It's basically if David Lynch directed hellraiser right so so we did get to hear Rebecca do her versus crying which is amazing. It is amazing because for one thing it's Spanish so at first year like wait. I think I kind of know that song like Oh my God it's Roy orbison crying the greatest this is the best ever and of course because with Rebecca del Rio who we talked talked about three octaves in hooting It's just so amazing. Oh Yeah and you know just the performance the vocal performance and of course you know. It's you know how many years ago what eighteen years ago so she was like much more crime than she was on not that she it was horrible by any means on twin peaks the return quite the opposite but she's even better but the two the two characters are sitting in a theater just listening listen to her and just they're both crying yeah. That's pretty much what happens when you it's not exactly. The happiest upbeat song is it. No it's not but it's just so gorgeous too. You know you don't who also does a great version of this Katie Lang if you if you've listened if you listened Sindhu Roy orbison 's King of hearts see his album he does duet with Katie Lang where she basically had essentially has she takes the lead in the vocals nice and she kills it. I mean just powerful as all get out if he'd be Lang who by the way was imitated by Kyle mclachlan. This is true uh-huh. I think they go to the same hairstylist but I think I think and it works for both of them there but it does it does yeah yeah exactly but but yeah if you if you've never heard the Katie Lang version of crying go listen give give it a spin highly recommend spotify highly highly recommended by yours truly one of my favorite songs on that album by the way which is a great album to all right through earth anything exactly you kick around with Roy Orbison. Sorry okay so anything else about Mahone drive before we move on. I mean it wasn't really that much to it. We didn't stay for the special features because it was two thirty in the bloody morning because we're old and only well and I I had my tightened talk. podcast not like eight hours later so I had to get some Z's titan talk man priorities right gotta you gotta gotTa. Make Gut and make the podcast the podcast God to make the podcast asked so all right so back to twin peaks the return like I said this has got a lot of new people old people out of our old favorites returning turning in this one so this time of course we get return more of Rust Hamlin's Doctor Jacoby be get the return of the late great Peggy Lipton who I was very glad. I got a nod in the in Memoriam segment at the emmys on Sunday. I didn't watch the I I yeah I tweeted about. It and I'm just like you know. Peggy Lipton got the Memoriam. She's television history so so and even better it was as Norma Jennings not as from the MoD squad not a month Norma Jennings. Oh my God that's better better yes so so so I gotta give props the on that one. She's a big deal with the Moscow squad in twin peaks and she is Rashida Jones's mother. I thought for sure she if if they were gonNA show her they go to show for the MoD squad. nope twin falls. Bobbie used yeah so it was very happy about that. They did that when Robey we get the return as needing hurley those kind of more like a quick cameo in this one but she's back we get the return of Mitchen aamic as shelley blank because I wonder what her last name is shelly question mark because it's still oh hanging out with the wrong guys YEP YEP YEP YEP but turns out. She's got a new surname she does she does and it's a pretty big one and it's one that a lot of us were hoping for so it's better than Johnson we get another great scene with David Patrick Kelly Jerry Horne blazing a trail rayle literally we get the debut of Eamon Farren as the horrible Richard Horne I was reminded reminded recently of when I did a post to ghost would where I was doing an image search for him and young David Patrick Kelly came up in the image search well. It's like well you know they are quick her family resemblance here but you know fictional but I can still see grand uncle uncle and grandnephew right. We get the introduction of a man to say freed as Chile or I'm sorry screw missing Becky Burnett. Thank you Brunette Becky Brunettes not the porn star young who who has like the biggest smile outside of Sheryl Lee in twin peaks pretty much as we find out in this move in this episode of Caleb Landry Jones gets introduced a Stephen Burnett whom some of you may remember as Banshee in X. Men First Class that's yeah when he was much less Dushi and much less loser. we get the return of Gary Hirsch Burger as bonehead boyfriend Nelson had boyfriends. We get the introduction of Candy Clark as Doris Truman Truman's hen pecking wife life. Yeah not a good look for This is Truman no not a good look at all Josie. Yeah as you know when we're GonNa talk about the Brothers picking their mates. You know just less deadly exactly we get return of Andrea Aces says Heidi after far too long so she's obviously been starting out the old man he can't get a car started too busy starting up the old man a Marvin Rosen s towed towed. We'll get the dedication for the episode in the sadly yes let's see we got the introduction of. Don Murray's Bushnell mullins wish now mullen dougie's he's boss at the with lucky boxer slash insurance mogo exactly yeah and then and then we get the introduction of a lot of dougie's Co workers and the at the lucky seven insurance so we get Tom. Sizemore is Anthony Sinclair. He's up to no good Elena SA- teen as Rhonda who you see every so often in something yes she was actually Mira on Smallville back in the day she okay yeah so get the return of David Desma pit boss work and we get the introduction of Robert knepper and Jim Belushi as the Mitcham Boys Rodney the and Bradley Mitchum yes so of course that means the debut of Amy Shiels as candy along along with Mandy and Sandy we get unfortunately have the return of John Period Cello as Chad Chad turn of the Federal Williams's jade and the introduction of Ernie Hudson is Colonel Davis an Adele Patel Rene as the Tenant Cynthia Knox his assistant and you'll head me it brings his fingerprints are top top priority and you have to think that his last name Davis's has to be a nod to don s Davis. I would hope so yeah I would hope so because e Kinda fills the role had you know I think if Donald Davis had still been alive he probably would have formed an data right. He probably would've played the whole government government. US Air Force Project Blue Book Connection Yeah and lastly and certainly last we get the return of Haley Gates as drugged out mom when when nine Yup so enjoy enjoy the lovely Haley Gates as drug out. Mom drugged up mother she you know she's much better within this usually case. You're so bad. She doesn't even get into a proper name structure. That's that's all she deserves and hopefully that's what's going to be on the paperwork for children's services pretty soon so so if you feel like making a call to CPS S. while you're watching this episode with us Feel Free Gopher Alfred. I'm not sure if they'll respond to a complaint from two thousand seventeen but fictional character a fictional character. That's on whatever device. You're watching this on but take go for it. See what happens. Opens live crazy people that think that soap operas are real. You know I mean it could be like I can only think of like super old analogies like Brooke Shields who thinks Dr Drake remorse is real on friends or dispute. Take you guys or Oh my oh my God what's her name Marian. What's the MOM's name on on happy days mayor Marion Ross Marion Ross or you could be like Marion Ross on night court when they broadcast on public accession. She thinks it's real funny guy thought about that episode in forever. Yeah Yeah. This is why talking to you because you the the obscure Trivia. That's linked lurking deep within your mind. it's astounding to me it. Just it just bubbles up to the surface for no reason it's mesmerizing before we started recording Charles. I gave you a trivia question true yeah once you sure that Trivia question well. I was telling Charles that before we started the podcast I was. I was just sort of decompressing a little oh after work and I was watching Wayne's world which was on cable party on. I haven't seen it in years and it is an excellent movie. It is is just is experts still holds up but it has a two twin peaks actors in it yeah. It was completely stumped about who that I've. It's been a long longtime since I've seen Wayne's world. I'm dying to know who that is because it's killing me. Let me tell you the the most obscure one first okay and it it is that Donna Amendola plays the announcer after Wayne's Wayne's world goes corporate and they get their like sponsored show oh so he's in it for like five minutes but that of course emory Badass right Wayne's world. Does he still have his back and finish. I don't know he's Leeson the booth so it's quiet on set but this next one you're gonNA kick yourself for Yeah Larry Flynn Boyle Seriously Wayne like this. You'RE GONNA lose me member. She's his girlfriend at the beginning on right. How did I not remember that. I don't have a gun let alone. Several guns constitute the need for a gun rack. That's amazing. That's epic. It is quite possibly my favorite line for ways. Let alone several guns to constitute the need for a gun rick treating me like this. You're GONNA lose me. I already lost. You know what this connection means. Don't you that that we the twin peaks connection means. We have gateway talking about Wayne's world on ghost. Would that's a great idea. I mean yeah that kind of might be stretching the format a little bit just a little bit just a tad but it's possible yeah. I suck you know if I was cooper can be in John Carpenter movies. Why can't he be David you now and now and now I wanna see David Lynch version of Wayne's world like the you know the the the Bohemian rhapsody in the car would be all slowed down garden tour shirl richer over and be like you guys got a little bit more of a Downer owner but still get yeah so if you haven't revisited Wayne's world in a while or if you know you're young and you were over after after all the rage on Saturday night live. I think you should should find that in watch it. 'cause it's fabulous so nice little trip back in time. It's a good one all right so so if everybody's ready we should go ahead and talk about twin peaks return case files. AL's so for everybody playing the home game if you want to sync up your ipads or Blu ray players or not your phones because you shouldn't be watching twin peaks and a phone you guys you know give it. It's respect at least if you're on the train while I can't can you if you're on the train yeah if you're you're selo but try and go ahead but but twin peaks really needs to be watching at least a little larger screen like an ipad if if nothing else but so we're at the I'm at the one minute thirty two second mark where it's completely without getting on the floor. Yep and now it's black so now it's dark so just after the spinning Chevron for like Zan said so let me he put in my ear buds rights so I'm good to go and is providing. We're good on your N. I'm going to go all right so let's do this. In three two one don't mom right a little bit to instrumental music instrumental music in Las Vegas stratosphere standing up very this this right here is a off of Freemont stratosphere by the way I believe he can get a room for forty nine dollars out. Stay there. I think we're listening to Jenny Jones the flame if I'm not mistaken at this point that's what our interim music was so these idiots are still waiting around for. Doug aid because a few leaned over when jade away these guys kind of remind me of the guys who come to pee on the dude's Rug Ugh in the big Lebowski we're like I'm a good man to be a millionaire Yeah so aka the Ike the spike theme the Spike but we don't get to see him till next episode and so this is lorraine who is essentially like the hit coordinator of hit men and you know she's trying to She's got this device. A really old blackberry is with that is okay. I can tell if it was like a pager or what yet the really old blackberry my friend my friend. Dave has one of those. He's still hasn't laid around for some reason and but but we think it's like this connects all away to Buenos Aires. Look out and that seems so divergent urgent agent to her. She types to then Arjun really oh who's hungry. yeah took me a while. Who So everything this man's head off. Who's Afraid Chopstick guys. Somebody needs to introduce her to Albert like right now these to Kaitlin the we gotta get these crazy kids together. I think that would be extraordinarily bad to find a bad mastered all life. Is You know killing your body exploding at the speed of light okay. That's bad okay. Gordon Safety testings again. This is a ring. Don't threatening the ring a ring. Don't don't touch it. Oh you don't know where it's been. I like the consulates sarcastic and she tells dead jokes how Ooh Doug Jones is renting get in one ring to rule them all one ring to buy them and and in the darkness sign them yeah. Everything's just all over the place in this world Mr See in the slammer yeah yeah with a surprisingly clean toilet yeah says he's I think he just puked. Everything had to go in time. Soon brushes teeth well. There's no mere so damn. Can you possibly mirror. Is there in jail in this one puts. Mir's enjoy math because remember that certain reflection that comes up at the bad idea yeah. Now food is coming. It's coming very slowly but it's coming not like old waiter coming slow not like that not like that. Kinda slow coming. You know what what are you paying for it. Philip glass of orange juice and now it went orange juice so you got some nice. Yes some nice post on there to the watermelon. That looks good. There's a little slice there the Mir that the bad idea you think that that yeah putting a like a mere that prisoners could smash would be a bad idea. That's like a shoe waiting to happen right shards of glass anyone to sing and Charlton. Oh God oh it's the flashback to bobbing cooper laughing in the black lodge our our guard and and see here's cooper smashing is sir now. You'RE GONNA lose your like your room. Deposit still has the key very cool morphing scene yeah. This is very very creepy. Kinda get we can get sort of frank. Silva to appear twin peaks the return Yeah Yeah. I wish I wish she could have yeah. We know you're still with me. You're so evil and that's good kaput. Stevo Boy Oh my God. It's a good things so now here's here's Don bonehead boyfriend. Mike bonehead boyfriend all right moved up world to Life Insurance Guy I. I think it's an insurance company. Isn't it now he's cars used cars on this right used car so yeah. He's got a used car empire as most a high school football players end up doing so as much as I hate Mike Right he'd Stephen Moore. You gotTa hate Stephen Moore right yeah you gotTa hate. Stephen Moore because for one thing Mike older here waiting for an presumably has is his act together yet ed. Mike is at least you know holding job and he hasn't as far as I know necessarily gotten. Anybody hooked on Heroin Air Winch. Now I know he helped bobby sells some cocaine day but this is heroin okay okay. It's just kind of what everybody did. In the eighties takes. No one vote head was I think the whole ironic thing is like that's pretty much where Mike used to be back in the day. Mike was still a little bit more together though I think but still you know he was still dealing drugs even even bobby you know. He was drug dealer but never he he got his act together to go work for Benjamin Horne so even Bobbi was able to figure things is out a little bit better than Steven. Steven is just worthless and he's not and you know I'm just pulling out all my favorite close tonight throws and to quote line from guess. WHO's coming to dinner you and even that good looking nice yeah well. I'm in the office so here's where we feel really bad for frank considering who he's married to this. This is Doris everyone. She's a charmer okay. I have a question who has diarrhea and how did they get up in the cupboard right and if they're going to be diarrhea in the cupboards. I don't quite know really obsessing over this black. Mold black mold is deadly it. Is You know oh I'd like to shout out to to my bff. Shelly who's got a leaking pipe right now and it's a condo so he's having to coordinate with insurance to neighbors and on a crowd of someone someone who lives in a condo. I sympathize yeah. That's the thing we'll this weird condo. That's like they're like intertwined levels so so I remember the first time I stayed with her. Remember Thinking Oh somebody's awake upstairs and I went upstairs as wickets and there was a neighbors because it was like their main floor was between her main floor and her base. It was really weird. That is weird. in for frank has just know by this point in this stage in the relationship. He just tunes all this out. It's just like yes sunny. Whatever yes I agree with you. I'm on it. I'm on it. Trust me. He's varies then about something is is kind of like why like Frank. He does have a very approach to it he does. He's like you know what I'm doing. What I can Dan also I'm the Damn Sheriff. Okay and I know. This is a really small town but we're gonNA drugs somewhere in this town between here in in Canada so I have to do. Hey at the red door and I think it's Franks inability to be flummoxed by her. That just drives her insane. They Columbus's her. Yes exactly that's so maybe that's his revenge is like as hysterical she is he plays it does a complete one eighty from that and and it drives her insane what. I'm thinking I can find a green jacket like this. I'M GONNA do this for Halloween Dougie for Halloween yeah just green jacket and try on my head and he really easy that would be epic by the way you know care out of big second money with the dollar sign on it still wanted to see you senator. Daito though Oh that is way too much fancy clothing you what you want to keep it low oh fi last year. I did a joy Nash Costume. I could do another one this year ago yeah last year. I was plum from a diet land and so if you find this jacket I want to know where you found this jacket. guarantee you. I could find this jacket at any number of three stores the real estate developers there is a you know. Where's your car Dougie. Did you interview well. It's about to be blown up so you won't have to worry about it too much longer. Maybe what's so good. I love this. One of those old school like wood panel side doors very very retro Rancho Rosa I had high hopes Rancho Rosa but it just didn't go very well. The concern like okay. It seems like the only residents they are. Dougie and drugged out mother and her kid in this house. The DOUGIE was in. There's nobody in that. They were just squatting. I mean there's driveways but we never get the cars with driveways have for sale signs drive cars and for sale signs on them and there's other houses reported reported windows so maybe they're all laugh. Maybe this is on its last legs but it all looks brand new so we have a couple of high rises in Columbus that were supposed to be condos. Rondos by like a crooked condo dealer for sale signs is a good observation and just reminds me of that Simpson's grammar. I put money down on a condo but then they lost funding. That crane just sits there. All Day vested intentions but this doesn't end well for this. You know if you bought a house. They're bad for you. Because can you imagine that like the property value on this really low. I have to think Dougie I love. I would just say that sounds like a like a like a late night. Dj for seventy station seriously dougie. I love to love to love to love Doug the love Doug. I'm I'm Hervey Hervey Herbie the love the love Doug over. I always find it interesting that there's other industry in Las Vegas and there's tons of it. I just think it's fascinating because it's you know nobody thinks nobody thinks about it one of his episodes so. I KINDA WANNA see. I wish we had like the ability to get like like a Prequel to this. 'cause I wanNA know what Dougie's life was like before it becomes a Forino before it gets you know brought back to the the Black Lodge and and deflated Debbie Jones fire walk with me. You know where Doug Jones turns into this half dougie half super hybrid twin peaks fire walk with dougie Walker thugging yep or shuffle with dougie. It's like law man Let's Kinda familiar gun lawmen with a gun yeah. Let's say it's really good at target practice. He still is I used to she with the other arm arm though starting and thank and now we wait for a bird to poop on the shoulder now. He's a statue and by this time a lot of twin. Olympic's fans are going. Can we get Cooper back now. Please make it stop but we're only just beginning really yeah. We've got thirteen more. I think it's a little like I I think it's more yeah it's like. It's ten or eleven yeah something like that. I think he comes back in sixteen but it's a wonderfully triumphant moment. When it happens right I mean there is a payoff at least so we have that now to take comfort in. It just takes a long time getting their now here. If you notice there's a guy carrying a lot of coffee cups but rather easily because there's no coffee in them probably know coughing and then yeah that would be Obviously he has to pretend that there's coffee but there's no coffee in them because it's way too easy for him to carry those things around especially the elevator see how easy you push that button. You couldn't do that like we would be scolded because he's got like eight cups of coffee there see. I thought for sure this is going to do it. We all did we're all. It was all part of the trap. It's a trial it's a crab trump. I got an extra one so you can have this. One is like no just give me all eight of them so we can hurry up and get cooper back yeah. We need that. Cooper progress bar to keep moving along. It's Kinda stuck on like thirty percent right now. It's not budging it really trying to get at the coffee because it's got that little bit of the lid so he's got to find the hole in the lid so he can drink out of it. Oh yeah coffee and hot premium good lucky seven insurance. You need to be insured. Lucky seven insurance where you're lucky if you're insured and there's an actual team. Here's the thing I mean. Everybody knows that Dougie has had some problems and he's been out for a while right so but they should run is yeah so it's like you know they should be cool with that it. It's really nice. Everybody's so helpful for Dougie. Well you know it is. It's a very progressive office. They probably have like it probably had training seminars on all this. What do you WANNA bet. They probably really cookie when he comes back yeah. We gotta like HR came in and they made everybody sit through. It's a you know like a like a twenty minute training video. How did he was someone. WHO's mentally challenged an airhead yet new haircut? I think you both have been hitting the salon for a job yeah. There's a lot of hair dye in that scene. It's a good partner. Crocker's is pretty good here. You know if you did it did a good job. It looks a lot more natural than Tom Sizemore. 's Oh heck yeah that'd be intentional though I think it's actually that like spray on hair could be oh Darren's knot and all that great shutdown come back to US cooper here. I do think it's funny that he's drinking. Franks coffee frank once once he finds out. It's not too happy about that Frank Silva yes yeah you never drink your coffee. You you want to screen T. Come on man. No I don't want your effing green green tea lots as our delicious the F out of here. Maybe like Dave Chapelle in in that once you know like where he knocks over the water only should knock over the Coffee Cup and just Altuva room. Yeah Yeah see he likes the green tea. Lot say it's tasty. He likes it. Mike all the things you could get extra at the coffee place. Where would you get a green tea lot oddly specific. There's always that one guy is always usually usually it's me but no I mean you know you would think that just plain black coffee would be the most universal missile thing that you could get an extra one of well. Maybe it was his and so we offered him his no. He said he got an extra one. Oh okay in the elevator. I don't know that is going to wear it. Maybe just said the main is like donuts. You say give me an assortment it. Just give me whatever you got eight. Thanks yeah just whenever the first eight things you make. We'll take that I'm in a rush Bush now. mullins everybody listener mullins everybody dunmurry and I was at this meeting. I would be browsing twitter on my phone. Just say people might be littlefield was an arsonist Ersan Est.. Maybe I don't think here's the thing. I don't think Tom on sizemore is on the level. You guys know say needs so he's usually such up character. I know I was GONNA say. I don't know if I think think that because I know the story or because. It's Tom is exactly yeah. It's it's kind of like you know. He's the the Osei Oh Sean Sean Bean gets killed in every movie or like William Atherton is always a bad guy or at least a douchebag correct everything he's ever been. Mr Punishable face. Yes yeah and I swear to you. I have never seen Ernie Hudson not as some sort of uniformed character. He's either a cop or military some ghostbuster which by the way is thirty five years old this year to think about that. He's coming back for the new movie yeah. I know I'm excited about that too. I'm kind of excited about it but I'm going to really really miss hairiness yeah. That's GonNa be a hard one to get over. Hopefully they do a nice tribute at such a crush John when I was a kid but any parts is going to be there so maybe she'll she could be filling the spangler void is marina's coming back no not at last report he's one of the holdouts him and Murray but Murray was spotted onset. Murray's spotting emerged was fought it so maybe Murray just makes a cameo agent. You know what that word. Come on. Come back. Come Back Cooper. You're so close. Oh so you can do it. You can do this. Come on come on Cooper. Give us a little hope. Bridgestone Balance Back in his boxing days yeah so like sixty years ago. He fought which means he's probably like eighty dougy getting crap for the man files case. Oh come on back getting out of he yeah just like now if you'll excuse me I really have to urinate into your need and this is kind of an hr violation just saying dougie sneaking into the ladies room or cooper rather it's so it's my call him super duper too good one because he's not quite cooper and he's Kinda Dougie Donna Cooper dougie gross. It's the bathroom. I've never I'm just going to say I've never understood like the mile high club or anything where somebody he is going to try and get some action in a bathroom. Some people get turned on by the the thrill of getting caught or buddies the bathroom slice and it's always skanky is places like I I. It's kind of hard drive a see on an airplane to the bathroom where you have like. You know you know it's occupied you. Close the door and you can but it's but it's a really tight fit. It's like it's like everything is essentially like having sex in a coffin and I Would Really Your Phone Browser pee my pants go to the bathroom and most clubs but I've been. It's just disgusting on forbid. You know you hit flush with the toilet lid up and that whole vacuum thing happens happens while you're at it sucked down in the middle of the act so that could be awkward thoughts. Mr Jackpots Sandy core guy. Hey you know it's your faulty machines. That did this not me. Yep Yeah you know look He. He pulled the Lee. Put money in and pull the lever. What do you want from me man. It's not my fault or hundred twenty twenty five thousand dollars Bush. Yeah never ain't got time for you man. You're not in on this. No He's one of my favorite character actress by the way who Robert Knepper. He's a lot of I mean. He was great on heroes. You you is Great Anais Zombie just a lot of fun to watch transporter three. I think it was a lot out of fun. Mr Jackpots surprised you know like what a great comedic timing. He's got the the two of them together as the mission brothers fantastic 'cause sometimes you with Jim Belushi ago. Is Jim Belushi. You know like the Diet Coke of Jim Belushi Army John Belushi. That's what I meant. The Die Curve John Lucy. Here's the thing about Jim Belushi for me. Though I I am a huge fan of the man with one red shoe okay. I've never seen that movie. What see I know as you look how many movies you have to educate me on Charles. You just have to come over I know and I was I was remedy. That's what I'm saying. I'm reading this. We need like a movie club. Yeah we don't we totally do after podcast book clubs. We need a movie club at once a month. We're going to do movies movies really movie. podcast movies. Charles has seen that might be very limited download range on that one no no unless we talk about the frighteners either now. I have not wind up already too busy watching star wars for like the Fifth VIP forty-seven time exactly I gotTa Watch reruns of next Gen when I'm eating my lunch any afternoon. Oh my God if the clown is gonNA pennywise. The clouds allows gonna be. They're canceling can't sleep. Clowns will get me finally trial yet. It hurts you by the way I haven't haven't seen it yet pretty much going to see but I haven't seen it yet aarp so you you approve that. I approve it. Okay good yeah. That's good to know so now I WANNA associate more. 'cause I are Kinda things about it. It is worth it one hundred percent for You'll hate her. It's the accident. He's always good so here. We feel even worse for crack. MOMS kid because he goes goes wandering in the street on supervised and yeah. He's just found a bomb yeah. He's just found not of all things he finds me any touches it. You know why because you can't tell me that that is not just a spray painted air hockey you handle title hockey narrow rocks. Yeah you guys totally get what's coming coming to you like they're going to sit there in here to steal the car and this is where the Karma sets in get it. Karma kid is having quite a traumatic day yeah better so so so. Let's let's let's recap here. His mom is crack. Mom Tom he just got thrown rocks sat are you guys carjackers came in to throw rocks at him so they could steal this guy's talk and he just watched them all go up in a ball of flame yeah and then he guaranteed a you around there somewhere with the clamp. You still here yeah unfortunately ma or it will be. He's still alive. I can go back to sleep now. I can do some more crack. Oh man see I'm telling you this is not a good neighborhood goes up and grows up to be a pyromaniac. I WanNa know what happened was super villain so jay at the car wash go on. y'All missing it with me carwash Euro Irvine. It's the route three three fifteen key. You guys clean. Pele's clean place reasonably priced. I loved it. It says that on the key on the back of the that's what I need clean place replaced pretty epic so it's like all right. This is my job of in the entire series. Here is to mail room like a old hotel room key back to the great northern well and she gets to give the two rates and there was much rejoicing. There's much rejoicing for Norma. We miss you Lipton. We miss you so much inst- The wer and nothing has changed hardly hardly like maybe they get like redid the you know the the of Varnish on the paneling yeah this was this place was redone till look like it used is to and it really. I think I told you I watched this episode. Charles where that guy is sitting. That's exactly where I sat when I was there. This is a form my kids see bull cure yellow yellow his color so I did. I took a picture of a FORMICA table in that's what I it is. My catching that is awesome. I'm so jealousy. Were there twice twice. Uh now now you just twisting the knife. Norm has been watching shelly make bad decisions for thirty years now. She should be used to this now granted. She here chilies trying to help out her kid okay. He's trying to help her kid but in that she's unfortunately also but she needs to give a tough love at this point tells her she loves her. That's it. I'm going back to Riverdale Zana's hypnotize as just had a hurt hiccup. Oh I'm sorry that's okay. Are you okay. I'm sorry so so we have re reunited once again. Shelly Johnson or Shelly Briggs as it turns out. Kelly Briggs rigs enormous jennings. I don't know why she would have kept Jennings. Everything that happened with Hank the last time but okay well he owns. A business in the name of Jennings was Russo maybe because it's under her a and that name she has to keep her name yeah see the problem is when she helps becky she helps. Steven Wright and because he his way around to give them money right to Stephen Yeah. The only way to help becky is to get her away from him and have her. Come live with you even if that means read. Is there some times to. I don't care if she's not Stephen. That's the important thing somebody needs to point out to. Stephen that when you're a ginger mustaches are the way to go ginger. Moustache are right-out legiter mustaches. You gotta go big or you gotta go home. You Know Oh yeah. It's like you. GotTa really really commit to it. You gotta be like let's see. I'm trying to think of a good. You know you gotta be like huge bushy beard mustache or because you know this can't grow a moustache moustache problem. That's that's that's an issue but bad boina flashy car Yup. Shelley's daughter has type just like mom turns out literally wanted was a May. He didn't have to pay apple does not far fall from the tree and it's sad because you know her. Parents are very loving me. You say what you want to about bobby. He's very loving when it comes to becky right and and you know he's a cop stars. We know Bobby wasn't a bad dad. It Really GonNa really going to go out to dinner. There's like one restaurant here exactly that we have to go out of town ago to somewhere else to dinner because we've never seen another restaurant in the series ever maybe that maybe the dining room of the great northern maybe great definitely feedback as in get out. Get the hell out with and get the hell away from my daughter apparent yes. He also does cocaine but you know there's also heroin to sniff like Donald Trump at the podium I wonder if there's what does that mean to send same. Okay what this you know. Girls don't like this when you're trying to win them over all right. Just tell you that right now. I'm I'm sure but unfortunately for Becky. She's like kind of high right now. Yeah poor thing and you know yeah seriously. When you're seventeen you know the the cool guy in the fast car that might be fun but when you're married to the cool guy who can't hold a job and does heroin and cocaine and you'll has the same crappy fast car you know now I love. I love this sequence right here. Lynch you know with an overhead camera with a light sunlight beaming down or supposedly the sunlight beaming down and she has these big is in this big smile and it just fills up on screen as the Para Sisters. I love how you love me plays xactly it's just it's the durably tragic. Rodrick right and estate lynch does so well that kind of retro fifties five but with darkness on the flip side. That's exactly exactly what he does that is David Lynch short there but that dark Americana Awkward Moment in the elevator here to judge anybody's life but you got to be self sufficient. It's all I'm saying yeah. Hopefully Dougie didn't fart and the elevator get out of the way Doug. He moved MINJAH. He moved like a Cobra Jones Cobra anyways clown again what's going on right balloon spread balloons not right in Las Vegas. Let me tell you a lot of work to do overnight. I kept waiting for Dougie Doug Cooper to go like okay so the gun points at something and then go toward that wa I mean I kept thinking that was going to become into a directional in all this spring you how deeply lost inside of everything cooper releases you feel horrible for Cooper because he's trapped in there and he can't get out he's trapped in there and he can barely even remember why he's trapped. It's you know he's he was trapped in the lodge for twenty five years and now he's trapped inside. Dougie's shell of a body seriously. Meanwhile twin peaks sheriff's department meanwhile with all the donuts ever. I hope they have the insulin nearby I just I you know just just just one bag of chips some. Where's your starches man. God maybe a bag of doritos something we'll peanuts simple. You know a little bit of protein there you go. Maybe some baby carrots. Let's do something healthy whereas a veggie tray yeah. Where's the Veggie tray baby carrots. Maybe you know like some string. Cheese isn't the worst thing in the world. The party never stops the twin piece sheriff's department. No it sure doesn't so you have to go to the bathroom yet. He just kind of sits there. I Love The book and Hawke's Bay. I wait. Where are you saying that out loud to me. Is this expression like why haven't killed you. After all this time it buried your body where nobody can find it. It's because I have a soft thought. Things are going to pick up. It's almost time for Dr Kids. Some of your freedom is oh my gosh winds up the record player rock and the Stars and Stripes from John Philip Sousa. The sentence are intro. We should we do this yeah you. Should you know we should do a doctor ample DR L. Do podcast some that would be kind of hilarious with all the cheesy effects. I could totally do that. Oh man stuff you found like flying lying around my basement yet. I could do that earthly. I'm on it like an old like principal announcement microphone right. He's not actually saying anything like that Simpson's. Dj Dea exactly it's the it's the cosmic flashlight now you gotTa admit he does have a good career ahead of him on Fox News. He sure does he's going to be the next Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity good and here's some jerry getting stoned in the woods watching Dr amp yep. That's how he spends his evening which wouldn't you I mean my God up. GotTa do this so apparently doctor. Dr Anthony is considered basically basically consists of two people Jerry Jerry. Nadine does the only two people listening to Dr Yup now to be fair. You know we know how it is when you're podcasting but yeah I I love how he's not actually saying anything. He's just listening. Thanks yeah he's just rattling off. Random point points like he's. He's got like a list of talking points and it just goes right down cocktail. You're beaker. I'm kind of sad though we give the Hawaiian theme like what what what happened to his left or in the immortal words that Pete Seeger if I had a hammer just what I've got a hammer any golden shovel and a golden several. It must be three o'clock. Dr Man man if Nadine with her little isn't love you guys. She's totally in love with doctoring up. She's to- she's got total like Florence Nightingale Syndrome for him so Dr Jacoby Youtube Star. Oh my God that is like the single greatest image. I loved his off of it. Oh this whole series is worth it for this commercial right here. This is the scene we didn't. We never knew that we wanted and we got it and it's only twenty nine ninety nine. You guys pushing plus shipping plus shipping. Yes do you bucks four seven nine twin peaks Washington allow two to three weeks thirty dollars to that and see what happens. I want to see what happened. Maybe shovel maybe you don't we'll find out. Farrell's worship it. We made golden shovels yet. We started a kickstarter to get thirty dollars so we can send it to Dr. Him just to see what here's why. Haven't we just gone to lake garage sale sale or true value hardware store and found a shot like a you shovel in sprayed gold gold where we been. I have no idea I don't know what to do. Do with crafting time. Remember to coats guaranteed guaranteed yep well. Yes Colonel Davis. The amazing Ernie Hudson Colonel Winstons Edmore Davis Ernie Hudson by by the way is the example I gave when I talk about two. Hou- volunteer staff at Comic Cons became power hungry and they hit mad with power. There are some sort of comic con dictator. I was at dragon con when you're and I saw some volunteer actually make Ernie Hudson show him his badge before for he let him in the room seriously they power chipped onto Ernie Hudson and I just wanted to say that's Winston effing Zet Amore okay. Ah You don't know who he is so meanwhile roadhouse we have part of the episode David Lynch's No. It's not the sad part this week and I'll tell you why because this isn't the last scene of the episode. I know it's close. It's close but it's not the last scene for one so it always the exception to the rule exception to the rule but yeah usually usually we see the roadhouse. Alson so the guy the kid playing guitar is Riley Lynch grandson of David Lynch Jennifer's son rate. I believe so see see this is a sad episode Charles. We have to look at Richard and this is the ban trouble playing snake eyes and one of the members in addition to Riley Lynch which is Dean Hurley who does allow who does a lot of the incidental sound effect the U. Here throughout twin peaks the return. Yes you can send some records is David. Lynch did a whole album of all the sound effects that he did in twin peaks return he did and it's I have it and it is wonderful wonderful. I need to burn that bar that so I can burn a copy or something because we can see yeah what to do. When you come up your Charles it's on San I spend the entire year over there. Just you know I'm GonNa Start charging me rent and we'll you know we'll have a little. You know you know media exchange slumber party that would be awesome. I'll bring over a big cardboard box full of stuff and then we can like trade stuff for the for the week. Yup and then come back the next week and pick it up. We do it all again in the exchange program so this yeah this is our first indication of well. This is our introduction Richard Horne and our first indication of what a complete Douche scum of the earth horrible person. He is his and estee bad being with him right. Chad giving him pass mocking in the nonsmoking section. Oh Hey this is why because you know he just gets you know. The cigarette pack is Morley's and if you're an X. so why could be the cigarette smoking man on the X. Files so that's a nice nice little nod to David do coveney being on the X. x-files there. It'd be William Davis character in the exercise. Will you mess David Yep. Yeah yeah the secrets empty boxes empty. I'm looking for Santa Claus. Go deep yet. Don't stay the hell away from him. Young lady domain your mother. It's interesting that you know young women. These days are wearing Capri pants. The people are very comfortable. We'll see I told you stay the hell away from him. He is a horrible horrible person. In the people one of the women and that's glaring at Richard Right now is Jane Levy who if you saw season one of castle rock it was really good in that. Oh okay she's in Castlerock I need to I need to get caught up on that. Actually early highly recommended yes see here's the thing about the season two's about start. Richard is a vicious bastard and I'm glad he's dead pretty much. You like how you know how we hated. Ben Because he was kind of horrible. Well guess what his grandsons even worse. Ben Is like Jesus compare a now. We're like Oh. It's not the end 'cause hey. We're going the cutting back to Tammy right. I would be doing like all day trying to find if I was on a case that had to do with the issue Cooper. I'd just hysterical his picture all day long. You GotTa give credit to Tammy here because she's keeping her head down. She's doing a work doing her job getting it done. She's doing the grunt work. She's doing the grunt work comparing comparing fingerprints right now and she's going to notice that. Oh Hey Mister C's fingerprints are kind of the reverse backward backwards Dale Cooper's yeah. How does that happen exactly. That's an odd situation. What what what or for for hearts those worlds are completely backwards. They're backwards. No they're actually backwards. Somebody like copy and paste and then like river reverse the image. You would think oh my gosh. Somebody's messing with me. Somebody's messing around here. Is that Bob and accounting again Janet Bob Bobbing Account so here we get word Murphy. I get get all echoey. Sorry I had to be there for second she jettison from the the PA yeah for a brief moment I did. She hit the eject button. I hit Ya Eject Buck aroo now. I'm trying to find serving that is I can't find. It's driving me crazy. You know how that goes. You've come to the right place yeah so guess who's about to get phone call yeah. This is not going to be good now. This is why this is why we learned that you never give Mr Literac- a phone call no no even if he's like legally obligated to have one don't get to do it. Yeah just really really shouldn't do it. It's a really bad idea. It's a really bad idea ghostbusters now should I called Daryl Strawberry. What from the nineteen eighties mets and a little tear comes out of darryl strawberry's face xantia catch that reference tear. You made the simpsons reference. Not Me strew good times press. This is why we worked well together. This is why we worked together on these thanks. I think we work well together. We do yeah we done sixty to these things so I hope so but really crap. Have we really yes. We have check us out. I know admits he was much longer for you right now. It seems like you've just done like six of them. All of a sudden we go techno do Doodoo. Doodo to to to the system is down. The system is down to don't don't don't don't it is crowned. I'll tell you we did not install that light switch for you so you're not supposed to play with the light switch turning it on and off funny. I don't know where my Dean Hurley records are. Yes we just we just connected strong bad to Mr siege causing all kinds of chaos on don't question it in the president. Just this guy just roll with the guys. That's what we did. Look when it's on 'cause we're loners. Daddy rentals got a call. He is just a ghost inside of giant steam pot searching for David Bowie searching for David Bowie. I'm Leonard Nimoy and in search of this isn't searches which was an excellent show. What the what just happened it shrunk. What am I looking at here. Condensed understand why why does it happen. We never know what is going on in Buenos Aires solent. CEO Now we get the sad sacks music of windswept by Johnny Jewel Windswept Yep and how how sad sad moment when we learn that the show's over credits so we get Sag Saxophone Credit Music Yep. It's very depressing. Heidi with her blink and you miss her cameo. Yep Hiding. You Blink and you miss her. She's there though she's they're getting second son networks. She's very very consider. Sam Smith no not that Sam Smith different centers yeah not the Moby like Robert Smith from the cure WANNA be Smith. He's just a little too. I've got it in for Sam Smith ever since he screwed up the opening theme to Specter which should should have been more should have been radio heads version yeah. I wasn't a fan of that either. I love the radio heads Specter Song Yeah. I don't know Ogle but I'm a big radiohead fan so yeah. I'm reading a Guy Yeah especially after what's it the Oscar winning sky fall. Yes that was just kind of a Downer founder and that was the last song that should oh you well know Adele's sky fall should one yes it. Did it in this is to be fair. Yes it's Kinda hard to top Adele Sky Fall which was one of my favorite bond themes ever. Oh it's legit my favorite bonding. I think mine might be the world is not enough by garbage. I'll what's did that. I was trying to remember if he did that. Garbage is great. I love it song but I think sky fall might be number two or number three for me. Sky Falls definitely number one and then this is is James Bond bonding talk. You all live twice probably my second favorite. That's up there Nancy Sinatra. You can't go wrong with that. That one's a pretty. I like that one. I like Let's see let's see living daylights my got. That's right because it's so I love it who did license to kill that was Gladys Knight. Was that Gladys Knight that's not that's not not one of my favorites. No it's yeah but anything's living don't let die obviously by Paul McCartney and wings yeah. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. Go ahead and embarrass myself here with what my third favourite okay for your eyes. Only that's okay. She eastern can't go wrong with that. One Yeah I I love for your eyes. Only and I like view to kill. I think is pretty good. That Sheryl Crow's tomorrow. Never dies honored is as good. I liked Madonna's die another day. I thought it was very different that I don't like. That's that's probably my least favorite pond theme ever know. Maybe not least favorite but it's down there. I have a really hard time with a live and let die though why because it's so grammatically torturous risk and in this ever changing world in which we live in God it just curls every time I hear it I get I mean I get that but it having listened to so many beal songs you just kind of get used to that like lyrical nonsense sense yeah. It's just not it's I find it really upsetting. That's okay. That's fair yeah yeah I can't. I can't handle that stuff. It's not a bad song after that. I like Chris Cornell's. You Know My name from Casino Royal Yeah. That's that's a good one little rock and it's weird though when they're not when we had sought the name of the song yeah it is it is just like should figure it but to be fair how you GonNa do a song named Quantum Quantum Solis so you had to do what they had to do. check. Whiten Leakey's another way to die which actually is a better bond yeah another way to favor true so I can also at the song title. I know we got off this really big. James Bond rant you guys but it's Kinda cute. Didn't we do that. I don't know it stay. We Digress. It's what what we do. We digress but we got through the. We got through the episode pretty quickly so we did so this. This is it's kind of like our bonus. You know normally. It's close to nine o'clock by now. We're pretty year. Russia Russia pretty good time for once impressed is with us so we got we got it had to happen. Initially Law of averages kicked in we actually got onto stayed on time so we you got the dedication to marv Roseanne's who's played of course towed in the back in the kitchen in the in the afterlife. Yep Yep so he can hide on the kitchen up there. what you ready for this one. Oh my reading for this one is probably a nine green tea lattice NYSC yeah you really you really got fixated on the Green Tea Latte days. How do you think it's so funny like out of all the things you could get. It's the Green Tea Lante. That's bizarre. I I like this because of all the characters that are coming back and this episode is like almost attend for me because of the doctor amp so that that's what makes it a home run for you. Almost exact your ramp really knocked out of the park for me. See I. I only get this one eight and a half but because it just it's it's. I think there's a little too much of the insurance lucky seven insurance for my liking because it just kind of slows everything we do get a lot of character intros though Oh and a lot of returning characters so that was that's definitely in his favor the doctor you can't go wrong with doctor am seen that dancing like makes it makes it all worthwhile but but we know that we do get better episodes than this so that's why. I kind of keep this one a little lower so I give the eight and a half keys to room three fifteen at the great northern hotel good one thrown in the mailbox. That's pretty good because Jay give two keys. She's you know she's getting the aw getting the ball rolling here sorry in a very non impacting character actually does something that sort of sort of drives the plot very impactful also credit suisse do yeah candy so We didn't get any feedback this time some kind of disappointed still having a nice time listing listing yeah. I know it's like okay you know. Summer is over and we gotta get back in the in the whole false sitting mindset. I know it's Kinda hard considering that. Oh Gee is supposed to be like ninety ninety degrees next week here in Ohio. It was kind of Nice today. Seventy degree day like Oh very seasonal and then we're we're. We're back to summer next week and falling yeah. It's like it's late September. It should be getting a little crispy October next week. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA jump again from summer or straight to winner. That's not cool not cool but hey we know. All you know why but as anything being done about it knew how dare you I know right exactly so points to two two Greta this. You know our new hero. There's one my wife shared something. which I really I shared on facebook that that it was a nice little meam grabbed me moves like a into every generation. That slater is born. I saw that and I thought that was great. That's pretty epic so that's why she shared it because as like yes so points to ever made that me points there so if you wanNA give us feedback. We'd love to hear your feedback. we got some big episodes coming up episode. Six is another big one. We're only two way after that from the big part eight. SEE coming out here to be hard for me to like. I'm just going to yeah. I don't know how we're GONNA talk over that because it's mostly like swirly special effects so so we either have to. We're GONNA have to be like extra snarky or or we're. GonNa have to come up with some activities or something to help them extra snarky. I say let's go with that all right all right so what you know maybe rights cert- reading adding some material for part yeah so we can do that but if you want to read right to his we definitely would love to hear from you so write to us at ghost would podcast at gmail.com podcast at the g mail. Dot Com. We'd love to hear from you. Please reach out to US reach out to us on twitter at that ghost webcast or ghost with the twin peaks podcast on the facebook. We definitely appreciate that as well. We're only like I think seven away from one hundred on facebook so if you could like if you know plenty yeah yeah. Give some likes or if you know somebody that it hasn't like the page. Please have them like the page. We'd like to at least get to one hundred. I don't think it's that much to ask. 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She's great so yeah you should definitely like and follow her of of course me at Charles skaggs on twitter at Charles skaggs on the INSTAGRAM A- facebook of course Charles skaggs in Hilliard Ohio and joined by blogging Geeky things on you see you don't get much more twin peaks related than that hat damn good coffee and hot where I talk about all the stuff we talk about here on ghost would including twin peaks stuff comes out David Lynch stuff all kinds of books sci-fi news news of my other podcasts that differ southgate media group including tightened talk the titans podcast that I do with Jesse Jackson where we talk about all things titans and doom patrol you know the the DC Universe series titans is on season two and and we're talking about that right now and having a lot of fun getting a lot of great feedback on that so if you dig the Titan series please check us out on Titan talk could definitely appreciate that otherwise you reach us next up everywhere the doctor who podcast that Zan of course has been on and done great the things in the on again on again. Yes stay tuned and so right now Jesse Nye the Sunday. We're GONNA talk no place which is the first audio adventure from big finish productions which of course features the return of David Tennant as the tenth doctor and Catherine Tate as Donna Noble in Rome even better Bernard cribs as Wilf is back and Jacqueline King as Sylvia donnas horrible mother Sylvia and that's a lot of fun. We I've listened to the the audio this week in preparation for that that was a lot of fun so yeah so Jesse Negative Review and then then we're going to WE'RE GONNA be talking and then we've got to be talking. Turn left which is another great Donna Noble story where one of our a lovely people holly MC Miller is is going to be joining me for that and then all kinds of other people are gonna be joining us for all kinds of classic who modern who supplies check that out next up everywhere the a doctor who podcast we definitely appreciate that and the Phantom Zone podcast Jesse and I also do we just wrapped up the boys seized one and and Krypton season two and may end up talking watchman on that because we have Jesse recently watch re watched watchmen to you discuss on another podcast one that I did recently with. Dj Nick on which is called at red. I saw you did that. Yes called happiness and darkness nece. It's on soundcloud and I believe I share the link on my facebook page but I was one of the first guest on that and I got to talk the nineteen eighteen seventy eight superman movie my all time favorite Superhero brearley mine too so my all time favorites John Williams Score Gore exactly. That's one of the reasons why I smile favorite because give me another score that tops John Williams superman somewhere you can't you can't you can't and and this is for the person that's got a star wars quote engraved on her wedding ring right okay. I can't give you a better sport now. He's that's to say. I hate to say it man. I hate to say that somebody's best thing was forty years ago but that's not to say that everything he has done since then on isn't fantastic because it is. I mean John Williams he's been. I love his force. Awakens score that he did recently. I I love the Harry. Potter spores the Great Jim home alone score. I think it's a great score top the the. I don't know if it's the skype or if it's me I'm having having her here. I noticed so we'd better bail out of the year so Zan king go off in in on that note. I should mention that next time. Ghost would we're going to discuss. Don't die so ZANDT. Di San don't die. That's good advice or or just anybody yeah so highly recommend that so come back hopefully in two weeks and we're GONNA on that'll be episode six of twin peak season three the aca the return part six and we're GONNA talk. Don't die die so please come back for that might and hopefully Zan takes it to heart. Pun intended and Jeffrey tells me Jeffrey still through there are there you go yeah you can. You can't go wrong with Mike so now yeah not vote had boyfriend Mike. This is this is. This is all caps. Mike all caps make caps Everybody thank you so much for listening to us. We really appreciate it. We love having you guys as listeners want to hear from you and hope you come back for don't die next time on ghost. Would the twin peaks podcast good-bye. Everybody Anybody Eddie took in two thousand they love.
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What what's going on here stab me if you think you've heard this one before. I think he was but now he's he's just quoting the smiths stop for some reason has queued up. Because that's just our life. It's actually an interesting story. No not today satan. Cba that deported slip there today. We're going to get straightened to our guests because it's an important. It's fun one. And they don't deserve to have to listen to the bullshit that seba or guile tells about who we got the show this week. John kids we are in for a treat tonight. Our guest today is a new york times bestselling author a five time. Bram stoker award winner. Three time scribe award winner and ink pot award winner. Oh and also a comic book writer. And did i mention that. His vampire apocalypse book series v. Wars is now a netflix original series. He writes in multiple genres including suspense thriller and horror and science fiction and fantasy and action for adults teens and middle grade. Basically everything we do on this show except for. I don't know if we're acceptable for teams other than that. His novels include the joe. Ledger thriller series b wilderness inc glimpse the pine deep trilogy the rotten ruin series the dead of night series which a great great zombie series. Mars one ghost walkers deadlines novel and many others the editor of many anthologies including the x files aliens bug hunt. Don't turn out the lights nights of the living dead and others. his comics include black panther. Do more captain. America pandemic highway to hell the punisher and bad blood. Oh and he's also a board member of the horror writers association and the president of the international association of media tie in writers kids. Welcome to the show one of my favorite authors and hopefully one of yours to mr jonathan mayberry jonathan. Welcome thank you. And i'm exhausted. After that man. I need purple out my resume and light it on fire. Half of that is complete lives anyway. So we're good. You've got a good publicist than in all seriousness. We definitely have. We've talked about your work before on this show. We're thrilled to have you. John talks about your work all the time. He's a huge fan. Five bucks exact trust. The check is in the mail but before we we're going to tell you a brand new book out relentless. It's the latest in the joe ledger series. But before we get to it. I want to start with a little background There's some stuff in your background. That just read on on your pedia page. That i didn't know about i didn't even realize In your background Some things so to borrow turn a phrase from the comic book world. What's your what's your origin story. How did you get into writing What drew you to horror. Sifi all that good stuff would that vat of toxic chemicals come from is when i was bitten by a radioactive writer and actually i was one of those people that i've always wanted to write. I cannot remember any point my life where i didn't want to tell stories even before could right so i would. I would use my old gi. Joes when i was a kid. Gi joes a twelve inch tall figure on us him. And my sister's barbies and got stuffed qinghong would create stories that way so it's always into i In high school though i began focusing more on nonfiction i wanted to become the next investigative reporter because we a couple years after the watergate thing i wanted to be both woodward and bernstein i wanted to break that orbit a guy and went to college on journals scholarship but halfway through i got into Of magazine of writing. And i went up to off and on for decades after that I didn't even consider fiction until the early two thousands and that came about because i was I i was reading a series of nonfiction books. Martial arts for a small publisher and pennsylvania and there was an open book and a contract. We had not decided what it was going to be. And i never promised would be martial arts so element. I wrote a book. On of the folklore of supernatural predators around the world history call vampire slayer field guide to the unbidden. The publisher was so frayed. Martial arts readers would think i had a neurological accident that he made me right under pending but research for that. Maybe wanna write fiction. And i and i did that but all before i. I did my novels before being writing novels. Turn into a fulltime writer. My day job was not writing my day job with his bodyguard. The entertainment industry. I was a bouncer in a strip club. For god's sakes so really horrible job if you like human beings because at the then. I taught women's self defense at temple university and also marsh history up nursing for fourteen years. So my you know my income generating career was all about martial arts on the eighth grade. Black belt retired jitsu master and Talk into that to pay the bills. It wasn't until i switched to fiction that fiction being The thing that paid all the bills and made me a fulltime writer. That's i grew up in the eighties. And i love the the chuck norris ernie regime still john for your starting. I watched site kicks last night with chuck norris and jonathan brandis. So that's and you're actually in the martial arts hall of fame correct. Yeah i mean kind of two in. The one is called the action. Karate international more stressful same Which i get in two thousand free. I think and in two thousand four hundred inducted into the world hetty head of family sochi ship council which is a group that that is composed of the heads of different styles of more shorts around the world and the reason. I am the head of my style for north america's because everyone else died i just basically outlived the otherwise. It's not like i was. you know. Martial arts a superhero. It's just you know after a certain point martial art you stop testing and if you're still breathing give you another another round like they say you know you don't have to you don't have to be the The fastest gazelle. You just can't be the slowest so do you do you. You said retired. I i think brent was going to ask if you still practice i do. I mostly focused on sort work and you know weapons work because between bodyguard works women teaching them self defense and and being a bouncer. There's a lot of my my joints that are not original packaging darting. So i'm not. I'm not going to be doing the falls in the roles of stuff anymore. I did fifty. This is my fifth year in martial arts and done with all that stuff. And i don't have time to teach so i take my catania which has been studying and practicing and teaching ten jets japanese more short jaffe sort play almost as long as jujitsu and take that and a couple of chinese swords and go into the woods live in southern california. So there's always a canyon go into. And i do my my my solo cada where i do it on the bluffs over the beach and you know just me and that that part of martial arts where you no longer trained to fight a physical enemy train to fight your own limitations and i bet makes it much more meditative them probably probably much more you know beneficial to you at this age like you said you know your your body falls apart. You know hell. I'm going through that right. Now get your. I slept wrong last night. And i almost didn't walk to the bathroom for like thirty minutes. So yeah things about martial sorts specialty. What we were doing it back in the sixties and seventies way before sports medicine was thing and we realize how much damage we were doing. Because at the time we felt like superman we could run across the room on my hands and bench. I four hundred ten pounds and i felt like superman. And then now my sixties. I'll wake up with some body parts sending me hate mail or filing a lawsuit against the because of the abuse. And i have to deal with now. I wish i could go back and smack the crap out of that. The younger man who kept doing all that weird shit. They don't show that in. Like the expendable movies where they all wake up. They they reach for the prophet or the aleve or things like that. There are morning. Is your wake up your luckily lucky. If you can turn on your side let alone for something on the table. it's funny i I actually Box for my workouts. I have about a decade now and my boxing trainer is a former professional multi fighter and he introduced me to the wonders of nominee oil. I don't know if you've heard nominee the brand. It's made in thailand. And i have no idea what magic they put in it but you put it on whatever muscles hurt after you get done with around round and it magic it gets really hot and magically makes it feel a whole lot better similar similar in chemistry tiger balm a few other things. I've used by the gallon over the years now now instead of sort of fighting i i love writing my books seven. I teach writing fight. Scenes in fact Saturday teaching with three hour workshop of how to fight and action scenes and understand the difference between the different styles more shorts more offense and so on which is important for writers so they get information correct. Will you you actually you. You put the ball on the tee for me. Because i was gonna ask that question as it relates to your writing when it comes to the fight scenes especially the one on one fight scenes specifically. I'm thinking of like joe. Ledger fighting fighting. You know The big bad. Whoever the big bad in that particular. Novel is there so detailed. i can picture them. And the way i picture them. They very much feel the way that do you remember the first time you saw some of the japanese cinema kind of translate over into american fight scenes. It went from those bad eighties. American fight scenes to things like that jet li did. And i i the your ability to translate that to the page is kind of like was that kinda revolutionary moment for me of like. I can literally picture each of these movements as opposed to they punched and kicked for a while enrolled around on the ground. One of the things there is an anathema slate. Anyone else who writes fight scenes because there are a lot people right-footed ones but It shows when you know what you're doing and it shows when you don't. I was just gonna say you can probably see through the bad immediately you know or or the liam niessen cut takes a thousand cuts to make a fight. Seemed come together not to throw she. And unfortunately there's a lot of a misinformation and disinformation there like for example is popularly. Believed that you can strike the base of the notion drive the nose bones. The brain which you stephen king put in firestarter truly commun- savages and spend other books physiologically impossible but it got into the culture as as a belief like they used to believe back in the seventies eighties even into the nineties that blackout had had to have their hands register with the police. Never been done anywhere in the world and yet there are more short schools. That charger students for for that registration for the rich. That was In hollywood like everyone you kill someone in a fight. They go to jail. It's called manslaughter. That's not actually true. Mean you know there is. There are provisions for self defense. A lot of it depends on that with a lot. Of course. Now now jonathan. You've written all these books and we're going to get in get into a few of them in a moment but you've also been a writer for some of our favorite comic titles as well. Obviously you give us some background on how you started in the books. But how did you get into comics. And i'd love to hear about your approach. Because i'm assuming that it's a much different endeavor and how you approach one versus the other and whether you have a preference as i got into it my agent and i had been trying to figure out how to get into strategizing marvel grown-up i love more complex. Right i wanted to write for marvel. We we didn't know anyone at moral and we were literally days away from coal. Pitch to tomorrow when i got a phone call out of the blue from exelon editor in chief immoral. He'd been in. La was about to fly back to new york didn't have kindle with him so grab a book off the stand at books shuttered and it was patient zero my first charlotte around and he read it on the plane. Found my got my phone number and said you know called me and said look i. I love the dialogue and love your action options humor any chance i could talk you into maybe writing something for marvel and you know that is done by the way Write for marvel. Let me think of that fast. And he he said. Here's what i you to do. Your audition will be an eight-page wolverine short self ring story. That i i i started to. I didn't actually think it was published. I thought it was just addition piece. Turns out they were looking for an eight page short backup piece for one of the wolverine yearly annuals. Okay and But being with incredible by tom cookers mazing piece called ghosts and then on the strength of that he asked me to write a punisher. Max story now. It had been some years since. I'd read comics. And i thought punisher max was the name of the character as it turns out it is a hard are rated the adult comics and he told me to go over the top. I i went over the top and he told me to turn it down and i told version of came out seems over the top. It's actually the toned down version And from there. He just kept feeding feeding me other projects and asked me what i wanted to do. One of the best moments within marlow. I had been interviewed as a new writer for marvel at be interviewed by a lot of print and radio and and so on reporters and one of the interviews. I was talking about childhood broken at a very racist neighborhood. My father was in the. Kkk was a bad guy. And i only had that viewpoint until about view about lucky until i encountered a character to in the pages fantasy for magazine and you know he was everything. My father said a black person could be successful powerful honorable all those things and i couldn't very well ask him about it. So in some freight. I took one of those comics to my school librarian and asked her then. She explained about apartheid pro laws history of racism in america and it was a completely different story that i ever heard. Well that changed my life completely. And reginald hudson founder of bt network was writing black panther at the time and they had me do a little work on his book when he was on schedule conflicts. Just two dialects stuff. And he said you know i was. You know that interview with Pretty save his life. I think when. I stepped down. I'd like him to take over the book now And that was a friend. I mean first of moral. Was it moving toward having only black writers black panther which by the way i actually source of. What doing -clusive now. He's a smart idea but the opportunity came up and it was. You know the that comic that come a character was the most influential in my entire life. So getting option of the book was great. And then reggie through me another little little gift. As he was stepping down at the charlie get injured so sure he had a up to be panther and he did that because he knew i teach women self defence my whole life so he allowed me to write the feminist black panther comic for two years. That is awesome. Yeah that yeah. That was just incredibly awesome so obviously very different endeavors Do do you approach them the same way or do you One you're creating from from nothing. You know joe. Ledger came from your mind. You're already you're in someone else's world or at least. It's kind of like the improving. Yes and you have to accept everything that happened before and then build upon it. How how does how does that. Approach differ i. It's it's significantly different. Because the novel is a solo thing. It's it's you for however many months it takes you to write the novel. It's you and your own head and then once it's complete you send it off to your editor and you get notes but with comics. It's ver- much team. The editor in comics is much more hands on on all stages of it than than a novel editor is plus you have the artists and sometimes you have a pencil or ended anger and a coloration if you have an art team and you have a letter all of whom have input into the process because however much the script may be the foundation of the comments. It's the visuals. Makeable pulled off the shelf. It's more like it's got a a movie or a film vibe to it almost and so you're going through those. There's a lot more cooks in the kitchen so to speak. More people can tell you who start the movie who directed and wrote the script and same comics. But you know and even though we write and we aren't we writers tell you how many panels and what articles in each panel. It's the artist's job to reinterpret it and often the have notes that will you know suggest the different visual way of telling that story that if you're a good writer don't have your head up your listened because This artist is bringing his a game Somebody else's bringing game. It's team of people doing a top work and the end result should reflect all of that skill all of those different viewpoints and i learned early on to listen to the art team so it is very a collaborative and as such it. It creates a kind of a more fun environment at times because all the emails going back and forth sometimes team emails and sometimes like the lawrence will say look. I just wanted to go over this before. I gave the editor. What do you think of this. Like all men hispanics and sometimes you also run into some issues. You know which luckily are caught in the club in the process. Some of the artists are in different countries. So in one scene had to punish referring a bunch of grenades in the art direction. I wrote you. See the grenades the spoon the pins flying through the air crate. Well the croatian artist didn't realize that the spoon pin were parts of the grenade. And then you pull. Episode is the oh god so the the picture that came back was soup spoons. Safety pins and grenades. Flank time to fix and leaving. I love it Shrapnel so okay. Let's let's let's get to it on july. We're talking about spoons. And i'm fat. So i let's keep going on john how i became familiar with your work. I discovered patients zero. I mean it has to have been a decade ago. Wow okay so yeah i. There weren't any other books out in the series. When i found patient zero and i've been following along ever since for our listeners who haven't yet picked up one shame on you but also how would you describe the series. What your sort of elevator pitch for the joe ledger series. Well joe georgia's a retired cop or was a former cop former spy us soldier army ranger who is recruited by an organization that recognized his unique set of skills. His he has a very good more florida's and he does not hesitate which is a rare thing and they hire him. The organization hires him is tasked with going up against terrorists with weird science weapons cutting edge science arts and in each book the scientists different. The first one is a is a a preowned disease. Retest create zombie like pledge and the last team that went up against that hesitated because it was people they knew who had been converted zombies. That hesitation became fatal needed. Someone who would wasn't word acetate and that was joe and the end. He demonstrated that he was just that level of fighter. There are some people who are at that level Each subsequent book has a different type of science transgenic science Weaponized rabies a- drones. All sorts of stuff and most of the science is is pretty close to the real world nine nine tenths true and then we step off into the the fantasy. Well let me let me ask you a question kind of building on that. Yeah that's one of the things. I've always noticed about the series. There's no magic per se. The zombies come from as you said a prion disease. That's how you sold me on. John as you said it's all it's all these crazy monsters but it's real world science and things like that that it's the and then suddenly started glowing and everyone turn it didn't just come from the depths. The the monster didn't just come from the depths of the sea was bioengineered. There's lots of examples of it is that did you You've also done a lot of other writing projects where the supernatural things are involved but is specifically in the joe ledger world. Explain to the kind of the decision to make the supernatural natural or rather the the real world explanations for what could be construed as supernatural whether it be zombies monsters or whatever well. I blame my grandmother for this thought. It was gonna go so my grandmother if you can imagine the character luna love of good from from harry potter as an old lady. He believed everything absolutely every but at the same time and when i was a kid she filled by. Have all these folk tales of of everything from church grimm's through to hanky pumps to red caps. You know the whole bit. And but at the same time she encouraged me to read The archaeology the anthropology and science scholarship on object. Because she said that there's a reason people believe in and now she she did believe in supernatural but she believed that. The supernatural was a an aspect of science. We are not yet at the point that we can measure it and qualify and she believed that a lot of what we've considered to be supernatural fairies and so on are beings from other dimensions rather than supernatural mentioned. Well that's gotten in the world that we're in people have been latching onto that for the last few years that's been they've talked about quite a bit exactly and it's it's not. It's a little more reasonable to start that conversation with skeptics than saying vampires. You know magic. Yeah yeah and so. I went the book that was my gateway from nonfiction and fiction was in fact a book you know the vampire slayer field guide to the on dead written under the pen name machine. Michael was all about those types of preachers and i was fascinated by the the different types of monsters out there that the different things that people believe and i found by studying the commentary by scientists over beers and social sociologist. Someone that is often valid scientific theory behind it and give you a great example. So for years people believed that there were some sort of an evil invisible. That would come into a child's bedroom at night and suck out its breath debt right now. People have the world and and they're no explanation for but if you look at sudden infant death syndrome you're healthy. Child put a sleep. There is no visible marks on the body but the child dies right so for the people who this happened. Two centuries ago they would figure in town which local priest or preacher that person would have them pray or or do some exit contrition maybe give them some holy objects to put in her house and since sids very rarely happens to the same family twice the prayers that they're doing seemed to work because the families that protected because again the open again so it balances the view because it allows them to believe that god is in fact up there somewhere and that if you do the right things church weiss you're protected and that whatever did that is not god not gone arbitrarily killing your child or allowed to happen but an anti-god monster so it actually belief in monsters people believe were strongly in there whatever day it he was in their religion but from a scientific viewpoint we can now see the cause and effect that led them to that belief and there are a lot of these in in the world the other one. I'm gonna mention real quick. Is there are Transcripts from where will trials throughout italy. Germany france going back centuries if you can get translations other with folklore departments have i read them at the university of pennsylvania department The the trials for these people most often the person did not turn into a wolf. They turning into someone acting beastial. Clever somebody maybe who fed on their on their you know victims space their way of understanding serial killers. Yeah so and. I've always read both sides of the supernatural which i love for entertainment and scientific which makes the world fit better on its wheels and when someone i started running the joe ledger series. I wanted to stay in the realm of plausible. Now i do step over the line a couple talks in extinction machine. It's ufo's so maybe more you and kiss which he counts blue because and that happened at by accident by the way so my editor for the geologists comes down to san diego comic con. I lived san diego every year. We walk around. We talk and he always asked me. What's the next letter book and as a joke. Just as a joke. I said off. The thumb had gioja versus catholic. Ever being an actual story the turns me goes awesome. Let's oh out park and do it. By god's gonna so. I did and But mostly with joe legible. We say pretty grounded in science and there. There is a little bit of supernatural in their the nicodemus character. Yeah yep which I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get to in a moment. I'm i'm i'm gonna put you on the spot with a in a second but i want to stay in this vein for just one sector so to give you a backstory a while back. We were talking about our favorite book. Series and brent mentioned one of his favorites. He reads a ton of the jack reacher novels and i basically said i'd read couple and i said well that's sort of i mean. Obviously there's a lot of differences. But that's sort of joe ledger. You one one man. is the protagonist and has people around him in each book that help them And you know there's a big bad and you know it kind of the through line is that character Only only only in the ledger series with forty topics. Oh and by the way. Joe would take out jack. Return a fight in my opinion Dad that that is all to ask you. What is the driving force of the ledger. Series is wanting to attack the forty and topics or is it more the super spy. Army ranger Side that it's just fun to which which one is is The driving force behind this series. It's the nonfiction topic. That the science that i get the research science junkie and the collision of of weird science and weird beliefs. Those are the driving forces the characters. I mean joe. Ledgers is a great car driver. I love But if i wasn't writing anymore. Joe legible had still write books with those types of topics and i did with the dead of night fall of nights series zombie series because by did more research to create that version of this ambi- plate which was parasite driven than any book ever researched. And we got to the point. Where my academia allergist and parapsychologist got me the seventy percent doable. Zombie plaguing book. Luckily the other thirty percent is not doable. Say we're going to get much closer than i was hoping we'd get to at least twenty percent and they got whole. Please stop i'm frightened at this point Another great series That that's the other series of yours. That i read every every inch of So but sticking along those lines of the supernatural and joe ledger. One of the primary protagonist outside of joe is ledgers. Boss mr church. Probably my favorite character in the series. He's been described by various characters in the book as everything from just a tough son of a bitch to the devil himself and generally. That's by the bad guys. He's going after but my question is. Are there plans to give us a little bit more on him. His origin you've alluded to a past with a certain vampire nicodemus series. They they they have to. They have to be interested in mr church. Well first off. Nick name is not a vampire. He is a trickster. So he's more of an elemental spirit. miss church is human. He's not supernatural in any way he's just remarkably for us to there's always allusions to there being more behind the screen there is there is this is considerably older than he looks for us based on actual And right now we have thirty latest camp thirty five thirty six people who have figured out who churches okay. So this is a this is an easter egg of sort. Yes the book. Rage has the most obvious clues. And it is not vlad drexel as some people thought on is. He's not was not a vampire he was not a lead the impaler but Rage has has the clue as the strong exclusion since that will came out. More people guests But i'm not. I'm not planning to write an origin story from church. Got it got it. So i'm going to have to go back to rage again and And despite the the very sad ending. I won't ruin it for anyone who hasn't read it despite the very sad ending. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go read it again and see if i can pick up on those up on those clues so embarrassed when he sent him like nineteen different names like nope. Please stop. I can give you a hint please. The chapters dealing with the establishment of the new base and mr churches suite of apartments. We have the clues looking for. Okay okay. I know exactly what you're talking about so Let's let's let's hit on that real quick if people are readers of the ledger series for the first. I don't know how many books it was nine. Something like that. It was a. They had the original team the department of military science which has now closed and moved into rogue team international. Is that right. Yeah i did ten bucks with the parliamentary sciences. Ten and then i switched We wanted to come up with reasons. I want to switch one. I couldn't imagine mr church working comfortably with the administration at the time told warrant that. I said i said listen. We're not a political podcasts. We don't get into politics politics. I said i said in reading the books you can read between the lines and there are some illusions that perhaps not political not republican or democrat just that particular nationalistic type of approach. Wasn't wasn't mayberry's favorite. I like my politics are very similar. To joe's i'm mostly apolitical. I a humanist. So i'll land on whatever is best for people and not for political parties and when political parties become more important than the people that are representing. I'm out and that that's that's church. That's joe The were getting in lost. Awesome fans is a readers. Who didn't like the fact that i offer politics new book and i'm thinking have you read books like going back to fricken gilgamesh judgment politics much so there is a little bit but it's it's hard to talk about the human experience and not and not address it in some ways you first person but the other reasons. I had them for road team international. I love traveling around the world. I love other cultures. I'd i'd light like the idea of them solving problems elsewhere and you have the let lewis actually ends with them back home. Us turf for the last of the book so it's not like i'm leaving behind my own country and also i like they get to pick their own fights as opposed to yes Being someone else's bulldog and It was a good jumping on point for new readers. There's a lot of things we did that. And it's it's been satisfying for okay in all those ways. Wonderful wonderful loving the new direction. let's take a quick break if you don't mind jonathan and we will We'll come right back right after this with some more questions. And more time with john mayberry nation we are back and we took our break we We grabbed that beer. We were talking about went to the restroom. And we're ready to talk on him and begged him to tell him who mr church really was and he told him now and got ugly. Their restraining orders involve let's not get into it but we will continue down the line of how you write one of the things. I love to your approach specifically with the ledger novels. I'm going to butcher the terminology here. 'cause i'm not a writer but the regular chapters or the chapters that aren't from ledgers perspective are written Just normally but from ledgers perspective you get his interior monologue. What's going through his mouth. And and you know th the. What's the thinking behind that. What drove that stylistically. What makes you give us that view in the kind of normal gist You're never inside of anyone's head. Well i when when joe ledger was born in my head. He was born talking first person. Narrative. this is the kind of thing with writers. I was i was at a diner in philadelphia philly working on nonfiction book About zombies zombie scsu. And while i was working on a book to character started talking my head. If you're not a writer this is a serious fight for help or writer. It's another day on the job. And you know i there. Was somebody telling me a story about him. Being interviewed by this really odd executive military tight and it was the conversation with joe. I met mr church. But i didn't know that in their names at that point But the competition happened and after it playing in the back of my head i i stopped orbs doing a start writing it down through agency over and you know joe ledger reported. He's a smart ass. Be good job and was emotionally compromise up the wazoo I think the precise diagnosis crazy craziest bag of hamsters clinical on you. But you know. I think that's what they call it a write that down and i was. I told my agent about it. I said i have a book idea. Thumbs me one shot Wrote some pages. She took it. She shopped gotta deal and when they bought the deal. They said okay. We're gonna buy this and the next two in this series one they about akrab this phone call. So i'm like will and so i just made up through plots on the spot. It's it's like that old saturday night. Live within a carbon released. He's thinking up songs. Hit what you're next ones. Yeah that sort of thing happens a lot publishing by. They always assume. You have more books in that series. And i i could I could definitely behind. That's i told him some ideas. They became books to actually became books. To and four the nothing novel the idea originally had three. I was talked out of writing by somebody homeland. Security's i've a friend who homeland and and he reviewed my political plots. And he said he he. He was part of the group that brought in counterterrorism teams from around the world to do training and Sometime unav- writing about king plagues And they ran my scenario at one of their counters weekends. They could beat it best. They can get as forty percent was population and this is not maybe not right. This day actually leased it from me ninety nine years. They paid me really well. Thank you for your tax dollars and they had me sign scary nondisclosure agreement so i never go to write. That's i took the idea of counterterrorism teams and all that and that part i put into place so now you know there's think tank sitting around looking into your past wondering where he come up with the stuff and if you're on like six or seven new lists because of that but i'm also involved in at least one one time. Well there you go. Oh cool cool. They the you i get the feeling i get the feeling. I'm going to have a lot more success getting out of you Who mr church meant to be than. I am The plot of that book You know one of the things you just touched on crazier than a bag of hamsters. I that's one of the things that you really focus on. In every novel it's it's the various aspects of of ledgers fragmented psyche. Believe you refer to him as the cop the killer in the civilized man and then you kind of communicate to us who's in control when various things happened and joe talks through it and you know one is getting too strong. It's always the the worry the killer is going to take over. But i'd love to know what about the psychology of heroes. Has you continue to return to that theme over and over again remember. I grew up during the vietnam era. I saw so many people come back from including my brother who did several tours of their comeback. Different damaged hit hit signed up with all of his buddies to to serve together and there was supposed to be their promised they would be auto mechanics. 'cause that's what they did before they went in they made them combat engineers sent right to vietnam and had them drop defoliant and put them in advanced area and bill helicopter basis. He was the only one that came back so he kept reopening hoping that he would find him because he was he was damaged goods And i saw that time. Tom burke very blue collar neighborhood. Everybody's sons once who did die. Were coming home damaged and all the our fathers were from world war two or create war and we saw the damage they had so you know there is a saying bet of violence always leaves a march and as a martial artist. Somebody who's been involved in hundreds of fighters about a gardener bouncer. I know this left marks on me. I mean not just the fiscal scars. I have but emotional. I could feel some of the fights. I've been in. You always wanted to do too much do enough. You know what people think. Who saw me doing that. You know I've talked to some of the people. I protected him. They were as horrified. By what i did as they were by what the person was trying to do them so given all that and given that martial arts instructor and all of his assists instructors were were just back from vietnam i-. Ptsd was a very real thing even before that acronym was well known And i had read a brilliant mobile by a guy who became a good friend of my david grell. You were novel first blood. Which was the first rambo. Now if you read the novel. Rambo dies at the end. It's a tragedy about pd se. The first novel about to beat the stay under that label and it was very powerful affecting the movie. Did not do it. Justice know and. I knew that when i wanted to write about somebody heroic. I didn't want to write about a spotless hero. Who had no flaws vulnerabilities. I wanted to write about somebody. Who despite their flaws in vernon vulnerabilities was able to stand up. And there's an i. It's in the book. I cannot remember who who was. Quoted was Impatient zero A hero is no braver than anyone else is simply braver five minutes longer and that astrology right there. He's terrified but was going on. He's terrified but his gradual loss of control and the new book relentless is about him completely out of control fourth personality emerges for the darkness and it owns his s. It is a very very dark and very strange book at. It's a fight one man's fight for his own salt. That's a great setup to. Let's talk about the new book on store shelves july thirteenth. The latest incarnation of joe. Ledger and i alluded to earlier. That something bad happens to ledger at the end of rage. And then you actually kind of continue the the story that's happening in rage all the way through in in relentless and you know Some of the same bad guys. And and and of course Ledger dealing with the same circumstances but it is a departure from some of the past books. I would say at least as a casual fan. You know there's a lot more Leger as a as a rogue by himself And not not not fighting with the team on his side. Tell us a little bit about how you approached. And and and what made you go that direction and Just everything about relentless. Well i wanted to see building jokes. Word a loss of control for a while. Now and in each folk there's some moments where he he experiences things that are shaking his his connection to his understanding of the real world And he's he's he's taken lawsuits loudest friends of fall in line of battle. I mean one. Of the things that the thing that splintered his psyche in the first place was inability to save his teenage girlfriend when when they were attacked and she was downgraded. He was not a unable to do that when she have often committed suicide. He's still fighting that fight and then he gets into something where again people he loves are taken from him and he can't fight that fight he it's a situation where in that moment. There's nothing he can do. It would be a witness. And that helplessness fracture seem even further He thinks he you know in the beginning of the book thinks he's got together and they go into a mission they should never have set him back out with field technically. He should have been retired but forcing him into retirement would have been a tough one because he'd he'd have gone hunting anyway right so mr church has to kind of allow him a little bit of freedom to do what he's doing as long as he doesn't hurt the innocent but man it's it's it's close. And it's joe fighting nali zimmer inner demons but possibly influence on something else as well right and i took a lot of structural risks with it because joe is not always sympathetic character in the book and i even made some of the victims of what. He's doing a bit more sympathetic. Because when you're reduced down to the terror of your own death you are no longer good or bad or evil. You not even your own pass you just to help us personnel moment. The essentially the devil of that moment rob. So there's a lot of risks but from the people who've been reading the book in advance readers or viewers a they. They seemed to have responded to that that it's it's somewhat of a cathartic moment for all of us who come best jobs journal. Not only that. But it's kind of addressing the reality of of if they're worry person in these situations that had to do these things time and time again and had to deal with the repercussions in the outcomes of them You are going to look yourself in the mirror. Both figuratively and literally and ask them questions. And you know this. This a lot of this book felt like a gioja steering amir in a in a very positive. You don't spend your whole life fighting and taking lives and doing the things like this and then just go. Yeah here we go. Let's go out and have a picnic and too many people are too. Many characters are not given their humanity. I think that's important to be able to see something like this and realize hey there is repercussions for these people. That do these things and the though they seem like the superheroes they also have their own demons and ptsd and and things like that. That is something that is overlooked in most cases it is and it's it's interesting in the early james bond novels he had a lot of. Ptsd emotional trauma and then eventually just became a wrench and repeat bad guy. Kill the bad guy. Move on which is not realistic. You know and by the way going back to another question. John fully answer about it shifting. I third point of view. The james bond movies have a lot to do with my choice about doing that too. Because the james bond movies you really wanna know why the bad guys what they're doing and for some reason Since since an assassin which is what bond is or special operator which joe is the odds and i remember sitting down to have a tell conversation is you know one a trillion so in the bond movies they always have doctrinal or someone sit down over coffee. Explain everything to him and try to kill him now. Just waiting this room. It's just hokey. So i wanted to use third personalization from an initial point of view which is a smartphone of everything about what's going on inside the heads of the characters to be able to tell the backstory's the villains and some supporting characters so that we have a more complete idea of why the villains worldview is what it is so they're not a cardboard cutout villain but somebody who they truly believe. This is what they should be doing whether it's because an ideological reason were because they think that you know they're so either sociopathic or just corrupted. They believe that it is okay for them to do this because they have the power but we want to know why well. That's the hardest thing i think for. So many people to do the flesh out of villain. That doesn't just come off as rudimentary evil. You know and giving them the reason that they truly believe what they're doing whether they are fucked up beyond all repair or it for whatever their reasons are. That's what's so hard to do is to make you feel almost sympathetic Or from sometimes there's there's some villains i've had that the villain in deep silence on the last of the Part of military science book the russian villain at a lot of people were very sympathetic to him because he believed he was doing what was right for his country so he patriot of his country. Wasn't just a monster. Well the perfect example is is a villain turned good guy toys. You know we. He became so sympathetic quickly root for him as a good guy. Now he's he's. He's playing with mr church and mr church actually A made him a member of the family as it were. Yeah yeah. He's out the field now in relentless and we'll continue to be into field as serious goes on. He's not gonna be quartered character. Joe's team but toy is interesting thing with when i did patient zero not in the book and my editor said you know what your villain. Sebastian goal is really interesting. But he's in his own head too much. Give him a watson to talk to give some an archie goodwin some some useful sidekick and had had a name of a character toys kinda sarcastic dangerous character. I had a character in my head for years. I didn't bookie belonged in until that moment. And i brought him back in and you know another book and the fans love that he was on this self-awareness arc that eventually turned into a redemptive art. Even though he doesn't feel he's worthy okay. So we we spent a lot of time on the books. Let's talk about adaptation of your material. I read. I read the option to few the books to. Abc awhile ago. And they didn't wind up Producing the pilot. Which made me angry to no end when i read that is there. Is there a future adaptation of joe ledger in Coming on the small screen or silver screen at any point in the future is currently not under option It has been optioned a few times once by abc. And they had jeremy renner and kate back and lineup for and they decided to do the remake of controllers angels instead. Oh what a wonderful decision. Yes and then another group option. Did sony option it but And they they put together a great pitch man love the version of his basic extinction. She no want to start cutting middle series but the was way too expensive series heavy. Cgi huge cast. I mean the book and have all the all the stuff in an elva characters. But you can't to put all those in a tv series price themselves out so right now. It's back to back with me. Couple people are looking at it. But it's not yet interruption. And you know i. I'm still very hopeful Well but we are to ruin his in development of alcon entertainment. By young adults post apocalyptic series and joe ledgers both three for seven of that series As an older man sixty five year old man and I don't know if you knew that. I did not realize that. I haven't read ryan ron joe. Ledger is in three different series. He's in the joe electra series. Fifteen years later. He is in books. Three and four of the dead of night series dark of night still might and then a fourteen years after that. He's in the the rot ruin series as Something special operator and other characters from that series georgia series to show up in the future. I love i love. I'm create when authors. Great these universes and and i also love it when it's not heavy handed there. Sometimes they're just easter eggs nods. And then you get to go. Online and people are piecing them altogether that that's one of the great things. I love reading one of the fun origin of that for me. I had done by first novel ghost road blues and it was. It had enough to stoker awards for novel which at one. I'm sorry best first novel which one novel the year which i lost a stephen king is not a horrible thing. Lose it in not bad competent. I went up meeting. Steve and his wife at the edgar awards the following year and we sat and talked for a while he seat. No he asked me what i was gonna write and i told him somebody over the place. He said. Look to do this kid i. I'm not that much younger than him. Like ten years talk take anyway. He said I really enjoyed bringing characters from one book into another in my series for the dark tower books and elsewhere. He said fans love it if they don't know the other books won't affect them at all and if they do it's like finding gold and do that like all right well. Stephen king wants to get a shot. That's the best part is how you write it. It's not taking away. You're not doing it so it's the way that oh i don't. This is completely lost. The tricks yeah stephen king. I'm i'm a huge fan too. But his his nonfiction book on writing is one of my favorite books. I it's just it's it's it's great even if you aren't a writer there's so much great advice about how to approach lots of things this book on the horror genre philosopher. Cobb is the best book haram. Chara to mazing. Oh wow i have to check that out. Brian last question ledger. We were talking about a potential adaptation. At some point. You know some different options win. I know there are some characters that you actually kind of reference arab aunt sally. You would always say kind of looks like whoopi goldberg are in. When you're writing these characters do you in your mind picture. A specific actor or actress. Like the kind of embodies who. You're thinking of ado but with a series of runs as low as ledger. That actor may change your ledger. He was either. Chris evans from the fantastic four movies. We play johnny storm which was great or or ryan reynolds from blades free. I liked the super buff action here with a sense of humor. But you know it's changed over the years in fact When when joe ledger appeared in three issues of the comic book charlie hunnam was being talked about. So you're misuse charlie. Hunnam face on the covers of those instruments. Oh that's great. I love it i. My guess was going to be chris hemsworth but at least mark. That's a far off. Yeah yeah the only thing about chris's he's always worth of bunny that joe out of lumbering. He's also huge The guy who. I wanted to actually play joe. I'm play button. Rather there was a show jericho Less for caesar to lennie james. Who's now from that and brad. Beyer brad myers brian by status. First name this big pharma type was one of the characters and i. That's why sort aucoin bunny farmboys be reminded me of that actor. That's great kevin durant from the stream. You know someone like now. There's an actor there's an actor that I've always thought of his top. And i had to look him up to get his name but he for some reason the actor just cemented in my mind if you ever heard of the actor. D b woodside person. He's air to robin wood for buffy. The vampire slayer absolute is. He's an lucifer. I think of like a buff version of him as top. That's that's my. That's what i would be great. The guy actually for top is guy played. Macklin agents of shield. Sure go. there's a lot of actors would like to see top and also twenty mr church When i first created that can had just watched the cooler with Alec baldwin where he was the villain and he was a scary villain in that and i decided described churches big and blocking. That's exactly al alec baldwin. Look like back then so i. I'm so glad you said that. I literally have written in my notes mr church. I have no idea when they were pitching the most recent version of joe they were talking about j. Since as church wait. He's he's certainly certainly block enough now. God marley out but Also he's just a good actor by second choice was either What's his name. The guy who played president palmer in twenty four. The storage unit Oh oh oh the the allstate. Tony blair love him. Loves deep voice his sense of personal power. You know he just looks like he's dennis hazara i. He seems like the kind of guy would own any roomies in my second choice. We idris elba it yourself. I've ever written because if you see if you see his performance. Pacific rim mr. Yeah yeah that's that's that's awesome Okay i i got to hit a few more because i'm nerdy in out here as you walk. So we really sanchez doctor. Dr rudi sanchez is probably the one that crystallized in my mind the earliest and has not changed and probably laugh is probably completely different than what you were thinking. But i've always imagined him to look like tony. Shalhoub the the guy from yeah Interesting i know. He brought his is latino. Can see tony jill. I realized that it between you lose one of those actors that plays multiple ethnicities and or has in the past and he just is a commune intercontinental looker. Or whatever you wanna call those. Yeah yeah well the guy that again blanking on the name. I'm so bad with names. Today is a whole bunch of of movies. Playing native americans He was also Here's the festival. Funny guy ant man series. Oh michael michael pain. Yep yep he's sanchez for me. But also i mean i've had people suggests benjamin bratt freddie prinze. Junior depends on how old how old joe is. Because they're roughly like three or four years apart in age that and that's the thing that that it's also it's almost like because you've been writing these for for overt well over a decade now which era of joe relooking at because obviously age happens molest one. This is the one that i feel most passionately about only because it seems like this actor would be absolutely perfect for it. Toys would be a younger have to be younger. Couldn't be like robert knepper. So robert knepper listeners. If you aren't familiar played played teabag in prison break. Lost prison break. Yes yes that's him. I just i wire. He's kind of wiry and in up to no good but sarcastic and i just always imagined him as that. That's a girl to rewatch prison break. When i my favorite actor for him is the one play the younger the foster brother in orphan black. Oh god he'd be great. I haven't haven't seen that show in a while. But i know i remember who you're talking about. I don't know his name. And and by the way there's a weird orphan black connection i was. I was done hotel. Wanted to convention. And i something my my twitter blown up because everybody said on orphan latter like i mother or from. Let me screen captures. There is an episode. Where they're going to accomplish where to hide out and our posters v wars the comic on does spied of ruined comic book and the dinosaur says. I guess you hear from and you're not here for the latest issue rotten ruin. I have no idea why the hell they did that. As a fan. that's awesome. It was shot in england to it's like holy crap so That's amazing well. We have plenty of british listeners. So they can chime in as well all right. So you mentioned you mentioned viewers. let's Let's kind of In there you. That's that's a show that you that you did develop a obviously. I'm sorry it material you did develop into a tv show. How was how was that process. Did you enjoy it. Involved were you. What was that like for you okay. Well i were started as a as a shared world thought he would write big. Thirty forty thousand wood framing story invite other writers to read individual silver sports. And i did the comment. The company that i did that for eddie w publishing had just launched its media arms they contractually had the right to outsell the shop shopped the show to fuck him several years to fight home for a net. Flicks was a great home for Great casting when. I went up to the table read. Toronto here was all these actors had seen in you know or for black The bitten a vampire. Diaries lost city round table. Reading words from something of mine is very surreal. I was not involved in the Story creation for the shop. In fact i was made executive producer at the very end of the process on request of the whole of the star because he wanted me to If we had gotten a second season he wanted to cope with me because as much as we like the first season and it was really good for season It was a little softer in its to tack on on intolerance racism than that. We did in the books. And i are both very passionate about those issues. sexism racism homophobia all that any coming tolerance. We're against it. We wanna fight it and the viewers is a story about intolerance randa. We had planned for second season. Unfortunately even though it launched with huge numbers of on netflix you know over the next couple of months cove happen and azam for show a dark downbeat show about a plot was not so season and i. It was passed by the news. Which was the difference terrier however in about eighteen months the rights come available to and again to again and the two of us of our producer. Friends were hoping to be able to them shop elsewhere with the you know kind of a reset not of reba reset with jumping five some years in the future and seeing the version of the character. Promise in the very last scene of the show where he's boffins. Now you know sort of just the doctor's now fighting trenches with well that's exciting that's a. That's it's an exciting prospect. This show will certainly be rooting for that. So as we wrap up here jonathan. What's what's next. What's on the horizon. Obviously relentless just came out but I'm sure you have multiple other irons unifier. It's actually. I've actually got Framework books out this year. I've got saddam. I i have empty graves at Zombie short stories then in I think you're and by the with the introductions by ken who played in dawn of the dead. Oh yeah and really lovely covered quote by judy. O'day who played barbara. They result neither living dead. The ari'el yes to get you barbra friends of mine too. What a fun. Oh that's coming up later. This year is a two volume set called joe ledger secret. Missions it's all short stories and develops of joe ledger from variously published including new material. And a little seat. Little thing called a mr churches day off route by reporters audiobook reader and reporter. I follow twice great. You know he was. He was dark side of his accidental. Rav with zach the redo the yeah and then The other thing. I have coming out this year. In december a co edited aliens versus predator Ultimate prey an anthology by titan books. I created that with brian thomas schmidt center but next year. I've got some really fun coming up. i wrote my very first epic fantasy novel. Kagan the dan and big meaty epic fantasy new characters. new world. Fifty thousand years in the future after our world was completely destroyed. And the society's rebuild itself you know they don't even remember us. And i just got a cover quote from that for that by michael moore cock One of the favorite fantasy writers of all time and So i'm really jazzed about that. I'll be starting the second book series soon doing a military science fiction series with western Something that i created that brought him on board co author with me and a bunch of the products plus amenity weird tales magazine. My third issues coming out once and my fourth issue will be sorted source reissue. I since michael. Mike more from acquitted my book. I asked him if he let me have an excerpt of the new eller novel for that has shown he gave me one. Oh that's cool. You'll game ignites little essay about using the same issue. So you're you're not busy and all nippon slang get work ethic going on here. I have to imagine. I have to imagine run around the back of that brain. There too is probably another adventure to for. Joe got the next five books in my head and about six short stories. I wanna right. So joe is not only. Keep job busy for a long time. That's awesome do we. Do we get to keep ghost for a long long time. How do you. How are we going to reconcile the dogs. Typical age versus versus how long the books have been twelve. Years of the current under series is really about four years in his leg. joe's life. I didn't realize because i you know i don't want the characters aging always top would be an six now. They've taken on. So it's kinda compressed time and i'm pretty loose with With how much path so ghost his only about four years old now almost file wonderful so if i if the series does go on for another ten twelve books since ghost had a bunch of puppies with banshee of gap fight. I might have one of those step up to be the next limit. I love ghosts too much and my fans would kill me. If i did anything to goes. I can tell you one thing the only promise i will make in this series as those will never die in the series may retire. But you'll never die. He gets macguffin shot every few years. So it's fine. we have to worry about. And he's got eighteen teeth so He really he really can neck out of mad he gets a lot. He gets the plane with those people. Lot relentless yes. He does dear listener if you haven't had a chance yet. Pick up relentless. It's in stores now joe. Ledger makes his killer dog blush. So you know you know he's up to some to no good or good depending on your perspective with the bad guy. Yeah make sure to check the show notes because we're in have links to everything down there so you guys get versed in everything Ledger v wars and Until your heart's content and then we got more coming out. So how awesome is that. Well jonathan thank you for your time. Today you've been Overly generous we don't want to keep you any further but Next time next time a something else comes up. We'd love to have you back and love to talk more talk more shop and talk more zombies and aliens and everything else forty in in in your world as well. Well kuok a couple projects that i mentioned earlier run a nondisclosure agreement when i can talk about those great place at no announcements because we'd love to absolutely really really big and it's gonna be a lot of fun to talk about. We can't wait for that day. So please keep in mind and until then we are going to keep reading and keep watching everything that That comes out of your world. Thank you so much for the time. Today think john. I'm sorry big. Jonathan mayberry to be on here because i had not read his books before. Now i'm diving into him. And i loved them and usually i just take whatever you say to me is complete and utter trash. I just throw it to the wayside so shame on me for once is what i'm getting at. Well at least we have a recording of it. i'm a he. He actually admitted it So you you all heard that listener but in all seriousness John was great. It was it was fun to geek out. If you couldn't tell. I was certainly much more fan than interview. John is a huge fan of former strip club. Bouncers if i mean. He's in the top ten. He's in the top ten. Am i in all seriousness. i The books are great. If you haven't read the ledger series. Go out pick it. Pick up patient zero. That's the first one you don't have to. You don't have to start with the first one. But i certainly would advise it and man. I'm kind of excited about his open. World fantasy book that You know we've talked about both of our love of fantasy on this show before and Hearing his take on it should be fun. Just got irons in so many different fires. It's it's amazing to be able to keep stuff straight like he does and v wars like you said. Hopefully we're going to be seeing more of that fingers crossed aegis an interesting and entertaining type guy. He's kind of like a here us. We're gonna club. He wrote about zombies and vampires. He writes about bad asses and He wrote comics and by the way the comics. Are you know Black panther captain america. The punisher heard sound fun. It is funny. He kind of is the intersection of kind of everything that we talk about on this show from of course the forty and topics that we talk about. But also when we get into geek stuff you know comic books and In in horror movies and like he's just kind of the nexus of all of that. And what's what what i find intriguing. We didn't really have time to get into this. Because i was too busy earning out. But if you think about this joe ledger. The first book came out. He said twelve years ago since two thousand nine said he's in sixties. I i. I don't know exactly how old he is. But he's in sixties means. His most popular series came out in his forties. That also means that you know. Even his first books he mentioned were written in the two thousands. I believe it is still tyler chance. Yeah not going to happen. But i mean you can pretend that's awesome. I mean i'm forty. I have i if i'm on the johnson may time line. You guys can expecting new york times bestseller within the next year. We'll john you. And i have been working on hysteria fifty one the book literally. I don't think it's gonna be called hysteria fifty one the book but does maybe take the world storm that will be our new york times bestseller it better because i want some more fucking cheddar cheese gene that in in that right there is the reason that the book will not sell more than three copies. That's all i'm saying. Well shit i'm buying three. I got a table that well nation. We want to know what you think we wanted. She thought of the interview. We want to know what you like from. Johnston may also let us know if you like these interviews with authors. We did max brooks. We've done jonathan. They seem to like coming on the show. So if you'd like them we can do more of them. The place to let us know is hysteria nation. That is our facebook discussion group. Go to facebook. 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"Well it's the doctor bill show presented by neutral medical dot com call eight one eight eight six four zero one and welcome back to the report. We Have Jim Cole here in Jim the latest life machine. Can you give us the updates. It's going great. It's all about moving your shoes. You know we want. I bought the machines then I could see that. Stagnation of fluid in lack lack of motion was really causing a lot of you know accelerated aging a lot of problems a lot of joint goblins and brought this machine. It's just been a miracle. Michael worker of the sensory form of exercise is not. There's not the thing you could do. I mean even rebound or you can't rebound it. You know anything over three or four Hertz. we're this machine to seventy hurts and then you take it into a whole another dimension with your resonant frequency so now it's an amazing device exchange a Lotta live. He'd never had a complaint and everybody loved him. It is amazing now. Where there's a couple of things we had yesterday borough. She's actually she a nurse's thirty five years. She's got a machine over a year ago and she's read the manual and updated. We talked about things like that are in prolapse and so on and it's a the big problem. Fifty percent of women over fifty actually haven't especially if they have multiple babies and one of the problems happens is even the young mother under thirty or forty that has has decided to get to physically active after they have their baby will sometimes was writing actually precipitated problem not only that we have man who have we call bladder laugh with their prostate. So the same thing can work you can do pelvic strengthening exercises with widow to pass rate or or Kegalle balls and you can improve things dramatically the average person in a couple of months on the machine sometimes we talked to go you know doing the regular cycle because if you go to the full frequency eight to ten hertz say forty percent power it really puts a lot of extra strain on the body so you gotTa make sure you're doing other excises laying on your back and insulin otherwise you may end up with a flair and the thing is it will cure it. It'll prevent you from needing big surgery. It's big surgery to do the ligaments in the problem. Is We just ligament surgery. It tends to recur. It doesn't get better if you don't strengthen the muscles so the the sonic life teen fixes that the what I go through the ten frequency go for the Tim Cycle and I have resistance bands bolted the ceiling on an athletic bar and free weights and I can tell you that ten minutes is given onto according to the physiological and hour and a half of aerobics plus. It has more things that are overseas ever. Do this is far better than cross fit or independent independent weightlifting or anything so whatever the kind of exercise you do you need a sonic life machine whole body sine wave vibration exercise continued each muscle group your bones ligaments connective tissue poppy. Bernard place and then we have the genetic frequency therapy and now of course I give machine they automatically get the Sabadell Sabbath identify frequencies to Larry regenerate their body with every major minor mineral and inaugurated Nautilus it passed into or cancer generates actually nocco your immune cells so your immune system can be tuned up to actually get rid of styles passages so the combination is amazing. I mean I've been trying for the last week or so. Using using the sonic life me was savvas identify frequency with Naga lays blocking frequencies and it's absolutely mind boggling and doing more the research when I do a console actually do either quantum testing and or blood testing whole blood blood testing and I'm working on any frequency analysis through the acupuncture yeah puncher point so I can actually take specific minerals in each organ based on a quantum test or a surface spectral analysis of the mineral deficiency in each organ where there's Z. State because every disease state is deficiency mineral and gene induction the regulates structural proteins and enzymes and we're actually now discovering covering that that every disease has that kind of signature interesting isn't it oh it's very interesting very interesting and there's and there's more and more research with actual clinical research coming out on the benefits vibration therapy and was honored. Gibe region and I know there is one that was published and we have copies of all of us if people would like a copy of it but the study was for trail sclerosis and they found that fifteen hurts and I've been doing fifteen hurts daily it fifteen hurts actually Louis arrest the trails Karosas from becoming a worse in some cases reversed. That's that's another frequency. They republished one study on on twenty five actually stimulated adipose tissue stem cells in the body a lot a lot of research going on with the whole-body vibration yeah exactly it makes a huge difference val the genetic frequencies air is the other side and you can actually hear the sound in the room because it says it has a broadcaster sound platform and the base but you also can put an ear Jackson listen to it and it was ipods or a headset while you're exercising the genetic frequency therapy is right now we can put the mineral amino acid residents and I've also can put resin frequencies into blocks Pacific passenger so you got lyme disease. Thirteen virus for example cancer has a Epstein Barr virus in fungi in particular cancers stealth infection saying vascular disease so so vague but the resonant frequency in an awful the passage along with taking our anti pathogenic like neutral dine. PLAS- Miocene Allison met etcetera if I can give you specific nutrients to rebuild your organs like for example. We've got my red deer velvet. Dr Witches Patents. I A product that brings you back to the Beatles. We don't age we use optimize Orca Kathleen and these specific Oregon Peptides and I'm actually working on extracting the radiology frequencies from the peptides there so can actually put broadcast frequency not into the sonic life machine so we're trying to regenerate your liver your heart whenever I can actually down the road. I'll build actually via specific frequency for specific Argon regeneration while you take the peptides or without dependents because the way they work actually is a Senate resonant frequency to help you real Argon because as a present proteins degrade aid that resonant frequencies tells. DNA It's time to rebuild the organ and I'm working on extracting that radio frequency from knee together Santa Frequency from the peptides that were developed by Dr Cabinet at Russian Academy Wall-to-wall Yeah so what we're doing here by the way you you're you're. The only distributor of these machines has support Cetera in North America so you're not going to get a better price and you can't get service. If you have managed to get one say overseas he's and ship it here. You won't get service Dr Deal. You need a purchase romy. Answer my distributors you. I think you have to people are distributed. North America and we have a few months. The GO-TO tried to see if she could get a rose and get an alternative or better price. I'm thinking why do that. We're going to give you the best price we can and they found out that Oh JIM is a master distributor so those two people just work for him. They're not gonNA give better pricing has because he has the best he's not over gouging people giving the best price you canvassed machine brought in from South Korea right exactly and we have full parts in stock. We have full support. we offer the two year warranty. There are fat-storing machine that are out there in the black market machines out there and unfortunately I mean they're. They're pretty much crooks that are selling those machines and they they do. They have no warranty. Though in some cases we've got a lot of complaints they they the money they haven't gotten the machine's always going to be a black market to everything and unfortunately there has been with the phonic machines and I've been bringing these machines exclusively since two thousand five two thousand six I with the triple phonic and then the sonics and it's everybody needs to come with come to us or give us a call. You know will say legitimate ones do or not and just eh going on out there. Most unscrupulous people have their account well. The problem is the world. There's always gougers. That'll do things of Chris. You don't provide support afterwards so he wants part right right the thing I find most amazing of all this is the and and again all of the other machines out there. They're non sine wave are traumatic to the body the joints and get rid of mine ahead one from. Deke and we also used it was called TRIPOS. I pay one called Beiber slim and those are in years ago years ago and this life is far superior. When I wanted to make joint sore afterwards it actually makes better and it actually regenerates your body jewelry. Pablo you verbally and in fact I find after machine I can make a few stretches in here. Poppy Papa Papa while I'm on the machine actually does chiropractic on you. It's kind of a chiropractor this legs time between chiropractic sessions to keep their spying in their join right. Oh you're you're in it. Yeah and I think something that don't something that people don't really address. A lot is the stress special uh-huh exercise with everything in our life and once we start just with the gay today and watching the news you know people's Cortisol levels or adrenaline levels or nerve Robert knepper muscles are going up and and these are things that have to be controlled and they will you know what those triplane machines. They're going in several directions at the same time time and a couple of those directions are not healthy and they're going to induce stress response over time for sure divest. Tell us to take a gel like and put it into your gel container on top one of these non sine wave machines and it'll it'll shatter the GEL apart. I mean horses are not good for your physical body Wadi. Where's the sign we won't do that now. We're things are going and I called nutrients. Determine I've coined you. Don't just I ne- nutrients you need nutrients and I'm GonNa go back a bit the Earth's magnetic flux field if falls and rises and right now. It's been falling for many tens of thousands of years years. at the time of Adam Eve was four thousand times stronger. Shuman residents of the earth the primary frequency at nine points hurt the side band frequencies and they affect practice called the Lynn Afaq which pro push electrons dealer overall shooter. DNA telomere antenna talks to you ryan channels and opened up and turned on messenger to make structural proteins eighteen since I've been all an enzyme is a protein wrapped around a mineral to make your break chemical bonds those building blocks of life. DNA doesn't go for anything other than protein. That's it every other metabolic activity body is due to an enzyme which is a protein wrapped around Mono Tomek mineral to make or break boss and everything to regulate saddest minerals or mental risen frequency so you don't have the mineral in your body which you need the right supplements and you don't have been residents. I called nutrients now. What's happening happening is we're. Introducing to the Environment Talk E toxins I call them which are frequencies that basically shut off your DNA and set off Brooklyn Message Ernie so if you have any toxin let's say a Murray Bell. sleipner ceiling should save every mercury in your body and anything in that vertical. I'm the periodic table of elements. It has a similar vaillant. It's GonNa Knock it out so Michael. Zinc and zinc Matala enzymes should be like copper zinc. Sob One so you're gonNA surge of superoxide. Re Free Radical in your body so depending on the particular enzymes molybdenum or mercury. Whatever if you knock on specific important minerals sometimes you get effects of maybe up to hundreds of different enzymes are are affected by toxic scaler. I call toxin. Do you like that E. Toxins talks any minerals nutrient minerals the for example we use in our Sabbath frequency. I one of the reasons why Adam and Eve lives along because we're they live. They actually lived in a place with sharing the e- I I called the denic Sabbath frequency of Sabbath piece. You're all minerals that were fixed by the Agra bacteria mycobacterium in soil that the plants Bryson's could pick up and then the plant would have food value vitamin content tastes in color without the mirror minerals becoming gamified by Agra bacteria plant resolves. Cam- take them up. They can't convert inorganic minerals to mentor organic ones now what they've done the soil since nineteen forties actually blasted the soil all to classic clean it with gases and what that does is kill off the acura bacteria so the mineral onto the soles dropped in some cases over ninety to ninety five percent of trace minerals important like chromium vanadium lifted them a no zinc and so's result what it does the food value of the food is dramatically less because it just put fertilizer president grow things and don't take things like minerals from the Dead Sea in Israel and actually put that into the into the mixture mineralized soil which is why they talked about the Bible Sabbath Rats. Now what my identify civil seventh frequencies do is they actually sent the frequency correct all the toxic effects of the radio on your home so they'll generate up to five hundred meters with affects up to twenty five miles so the little voice actually I'll give you the frequency the frequency antenna watch you broadcast almost like a shortwave radio broadcast based mineral residents have major minor minerals and Naga lased actually nocco Nagasaki's but but also the minerals to that liberty in change your tissues so you're counteracting the toxic effect of of e pollution Mukalla which is why fight fight network smart meters when towers out soon five six g network everywhere and so people need to realize we you need a nutrient now to rocky toxins because the with the toxins are actually shutting off for DNA. 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Allison Med order Dr Bill Eagles Neutra Dine at triple eight two one two eight seven one or neutral medical dot com. That's AAA two one two eight eight seven one or neutral medical medical dot com and listen to the mission medical report on the Genesis Radio Network with open lines every weekday neutral medical dot com bringing nutrition and medicine together and welcome back. We have family from ruin photon. Welcome back Pamela Bill. How are you great now. Loom photons my buddy. I I have a machine gene by my right leg here. I won't these long pads is the blue pads for my skin issues which I use my fancy nutraceutical. 's In this pad I also have the smaller ones thirty two pets and at one eighty pat and I call my sleep buddy that wrap around my head and I actually take my nutraceutical and turn it on boom go to sleep and end you can use this for traumatic brain injury you can use it for regenerating your eyes and you're hearing and your John Factor going through a procedure called evils life where music and a dental appliances modifying my airway and nine months in I'm actually at the point now where I can actually do some tests to see if I can stop my bypass which means after twenty years I can actually turn it off off and won't need it anymore. Now actually modifies your bones and you can reverse NICA with this machine in other words. You can put the Pat over your jaw was Nico Frequencies. Yes and modify your gums and get rid of cavitational and help regenerate teasing your bones and your job. It's pretty amazing so there's infinite numbers of uses for living photon from the head. You can regenerate your hair of us. are things like our reciprocal hair tonic at our college's. Maxon neutral meds Royal Jelly and hormone blockers which we have you can use it for regenerating ear your brain your eyes and ears. You can use it along with her brain. Peptides Red Velvet NOCCO mizen. You can use it over your thyroid thyroid and parathyroid glands. You can use it over your lungs to turn off chronic obstructive lung disease mucus production in US over your heart. Stop in China it. Is it on your spine your bones regenerate your bone structure us on your skin and turn off pain in fact every post op recovery place whether it's dental or surgical should have these devices you use it to the literally turn off abdominal pain. You've got period pain and women are having regular cycles for uterine problems or if you have chronic gastritis straightness so uses a full neuropathy uses uses for regenerating joint and turning off arthritic pain. It's amazing isn't it. This device has I've got I mean every home should have you know hot and cold running water and they should have aluminum pat. I mean it's almost like having a shower. Do you have electricity. You should have aluminum pad and I usually tell me position too because they're gonNA end up blowing into their friends and relatives in original visiting relatives aren't GonNa back when see finding how good are they happens all the time does and of course if you have pets pets love it. I mean the pets you can't. You're not gonNA talk to them and say hey. I'm GonNa Talk Doc into thinking this pads good. If you have a dog that's got arthritis one larger dogs. This'll turn off their arthritis. You're trying to regenerate tissue. You've read your velvet which works in animals as well and you can use aluminum pat and turn off their pain and the pad the animals will they'll steal your pads of your way to the bathroom restroom. Use It on large animals like horses. some people have these new pet ponies. Now I saw a picture. We've lady brought her pet pony on a flight. I couldn't believe the dog actually so there were not released that scary and they're actually pretty pretty. Passive compared to some large dogs on flight are like you know pit bulls and stuff that you know if they bite you. They don't unlock their jaws. I don't take a pony will bite you but you tend to find animals then to age seven seven three times faster than humans so prone to arthritis and this is really good for bone isn't it yeah it is excellent for those those issues it will actually help to regenerate cartilage and tendon and bone and it will clear out scar tissue and take out the inflammation flirtation that leads to joint enlargement and so on and so forth washes out excess calcification which is wonderful to help reverse calcification education your heart ticker vitamin K to our call error CARDIOVASC- etc and a new head to limit photon over your chest and your China goes away and you could actually repeat your high speed. CT SCAN with takes eight seconds into your calcium score improve it's pretty amazing and what I tell people is the frequency real simple to follow frequency wanted to list demilitary demilitary frequency three is for your central nervous system including is years of bounce mechanism and your brain and your personal nurse frequently force for internal organs like like bowel stomach liver kidneys frequency five is for glance ovaries testicles adrenal glands parasol gland etcetera and frequency six hundred seven inflammation off and then you can go through each rotation frequencies called Nica that should nico this call the frequencies used for generating involved so he's got weak bone decks on scan or a DMZ period idiom in particularly in urine tests. It shows your your bones apart. You can start taking a looming photon. Oh Ton- and your sturge entering your bones so if you got week surgical neck of your left hip on indexes can slap the pat over it and take your supplements and boom. You're bondsman Donovan regenerate. You'RE NOT GONNA end up with a broken hip and knee hip replacement so I mean this device is amazing and all variations of got our website. We've got a Lotta different pads include the blue light pads include blue light actually postions because most skin conditions actually have installs passage. You know that act that Eczema Zima ninety percent of the people have star on their skin. Perhaps you staff Arias Ninety percent people with ECZEMA. We've being examined. Dermatitis have staph aureus understand you look at psoriasis they have mites and have an immune reaction against the might in the brickell. Cell Layer Dermal junction that causes the release of Interleukin twenty-seven and they get scanning dermott houses which we call the curve phenomenon. That's typical of of psoriasis us so each skin condition even is helped by light pad being anti pathogenic and Super Dettori. I called as part of the make in project you know take her college. AMAC's tremendous Royal Jelly internally to make college lasted ironic acid and things joint performance regenerate your joints cartilage intended vendor under and our anti inflammatories like flam accent sell defense plus then you put out aluminum pat on the outside and take stem cell support Red Velvet. Dr Uncle Mycenaean specific peptides for particular organs and Lewin pads speeds up the raising energy level of tissue it made regenerates increases regenerative capacity petition so as soon as you put it over. Let's say the kidneys it drops a C reactive protein an anti tencent converting enzyme which kidneys perceive and there's not enough perfusion till it drives of your blood pressure sure so they've done studies at universities and found that the Lynn Pat Warrior C. R. P. C. Reactive Protein by ninety percent was just a few weeks pretty the amazing hey that we talked about this a few years ago. What other studies do you know about looming pad because it's pretty universal reversal and I wanna go through and make some requested some of the regulatory agencies to they have a whole section that call genetic frequency therapy and we have a lot of other machines that can generate frequencies to actually do I call. EFTA ELECTRA ELECTROMAGNETIC field therapy or energetic field therapy the interesting using communication by luminol is that cells communicate with infrared light and so little telemarketer chromos converting for infrared light actually open your Orion channels to let minerals and deter on your DNA interesting. Hey Pat is on the right frequency for your body in other words. It's your infrared light eight bodies that actually regulates your DNA and that's where low incomes in to raise your energetics to detox you to stimulate your lymph addicts to stimulate your stem cells in fact slap. This over anarchy in your stem cells would love it this way. I can build your now. I've got going on over me harder kidneys. Are Your job your skin. If you've got psoriasis somebody condition and of course lew page particularly good for beautification. I called it beautification Patsy Bluer beauty pads which is nice. You can just put it over an area if you WANNA so. I'm sure a lot of cosmeticians are saying I WANNA get wells lumens blue pants because I can put it on my face and take the college maximum news Royal Royal Jelly and I'm GonNa take not only make up. I'M GONNA take make in in other words. Use The light and use the nutraceutical Sta Bil college lasted ironic acid to make wrinkles away right right exactly building healthy college on from within instead of through injury which is what a lot of have medic procedures do now. Don't don't take the the stupid things block your muscles you know. I think it's kind of obscene people. We'll say paralyze muscles permanently. I'm thinking I don't think that's a good idea yeah. I just was reading some research that they're now now starting to accumulate evidence at that the Botox toxin is migrating from these injections sites and is causing systemic problems of George it. Does I mean why. Do you think when you check something seconds. Do you think it takes a strict. Let your body right now seven seconds when you get a you you know he returned from your your Venus System to your heart pump back tissue seven seconds. That's the average it can be less or more on that some Secca. Yeah the body's just so efficient yeah so the woman Pan Number one is great for people for Pets for little birds for a big horses. It's great for any living thing in fact you know. I'm wondering if you have an idea very aluminum pants even make your plants grow bigger are better. I haven't but that would be a really interesting thing to try even a few minutes today. I have a feeling 'cause zero lifeforce. Okay do you. I Schumann Resonance Generates feel actually stimulates your electrons to push the orbital's is an energetic field and I know Nikola Tesla and the research was talking about non wire transfer of energy. I have suspicion that just a few minutes around your favorite plants in your window. Were little you know seeing the avenue that say no tree you put a few minutes of pet would increase the rate of growth in the blooming or the even the the mineral content of the of the tissue there for the feud food value color and taste. That's really interesting. I might try to do a little you know home experiment without a greenhouse and I can try dave versus plant be planned peppy aluminum efficient plant and see what the differences in the blooming or or beauty or or yeah yeah great idea. Every living thing I think is a is a basically a four dimensional time space space frequency Hologram. I'm working on math backs of actually the radio frequencies. I know how to make a nonlethal and also how to make weapons based on scaler. Taylor faced Rey frequency else's of radio frequencies also nocco pathogen or toxin to your body using the frequency say aspartame Taymor mercury or specific passing lime disease I can actually we're go the resonant frequency to neutralize them. Which is why eventually I'd like to have. Aluminum Pan out of there have other options to on top of all the cool ones already has already. It's the most I think the most efficacious device I mean there are lots of ways of delivering CONC- sound electromagnetics but to be honest sued the ultimate frequency of life is Fred. Isn't it right so you want to get there which is actor nausea by the way he was not only a medical. Michael Doctrine scientists views also medical intuitive intuitively knew these frequencies are were there specific anti-chavez tissue so when the embryos developing the neuro actor your money not part of the developing embryo hasn't frequency like a radio station of three so skin and central nervous system frequency for internal organs of frequency five for glance so it's interesting you actually found all these like the FM channels for each different attachments tissue for the embryo pool. Oh yeah it's like each tissue has a specific radio frequency for frequency modulation and interesting nervous system and skin had the frequency of gold. Isn't it fascinating I think so I think that's very suggestive be thinking about the historic how the idea of Al Chemical Gold has been associated with the idea of union with God. Let me give you the explanation of okay because you're interested in this. I had to vote seven years ago. Gentleman new contact me north of Pelham rinker basis actually here in southern California figured out a way of extracting or mister gold from the ocean and two hundred forty dollars now now turns out or monetary goals made by ancestor Moses who is supposed to be the next Pharaoh even though he's adopted he was so bright and so talented they wanted him to be the next Pharaoh. That's why his name was Moses which means like Tuck Moses Moses means endure the next guy people know that they think it's like say say. If somebody's like Johnson like calling somebody son Moses means he was going to be the next Pharaoh all right. He's smarter than all the other hyper he's supposed to be the next Pharaoh and he was actually a physician and surgeon. They used to make Ormuz now. In the ancient world armistead actually amplify healing or miss basically attached to his own proteins if your DNA increases supervisory turn your DNA so I can make more miss actually have or miss available on atomic determined to the gold in liposomes and the view and I put a specific inductive field a goldfield for the topic residents of golden you take or miss it actually increases your DNA the other one that uses India which actually increase your DNA induction and let's all minerals in junior DNA John's in the immigrant increase your life expectancy in fact that populations eat eight Indian population of one hundred times more centenarians. I have that product every now very science. Are you still working looking for that. 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Swayne a radio toxins heavy metals are industrial chemicals that are recycled your water supply either overtly or inadvertently because it get into water supplies for the water reserves. There's this involves for safe as a linear charcoal which is the most contact the best reverse osmosis membrane and then an I in exchange and the only thing coming out the other end is water molecules. There literally is nothing not even mineral so we had back ninety parts of calcium magnesium to bring the jeanine in half ten. I have my job week beside me for example my daughter system water and I put my lows musicals and then I add my instaflex hydrogen. That's that's one of my water jugs. One of course my drink which is Kito power sports energy light mega muscles combine in vain bank and I can tell you if you wanted to you talk to your body. You have to clean water. You can't be drinking toxic water and expect to detox your body can also bay the toxic water and you're gonNA be healthy is being transferred. Emily absorbed the toxins like trichloroethylene etc so tells marble system and why so superior and how it's very important for people to understand if you are just relying on the government to take care of you your suicide because the government doesn't give a damn they're going to regulate say thirty eight or forty two chemicals over ten thousand eight hundred seven new every day and they don't care. They don't know actually there blithering you. You know I I call the Terminator Blizzard Idiotic. They don't even know what they don't know so. Tell us all about it. Well documented. Thanks for having me back. You know you're you're. We're when we talk about government regulation a lot or it's really you know. Most people don't underst- Well of course most people don't have much understanding at all how the bureaucracy work working until they bump into it and then they go old Dang. That isn't what I thought it was. It's a pain in my rare and bureaucracy. This is populated by people who are power hungry people who have bought to be class president have a marginal like you have a big ego and usually untalented but they wanNA control everybody nobody else because it makes them feel like they're influencing control their world including US then they feel okay unhemmed this kind of need to control other people in order to be able to feel like somehow they are have a purpose. Even if you don't know what the heck they're doing they. WanNa be in control and we see the politicians in fact it attracts people that psychiatric type and you see this was a demon wraps and even to some extent with Donald Trump. He's narcissist. He wants people to like them. elway's decent person and he wants to do the right thing but look at the Nieman rats and look at the regulators inside their deeply embedded just like a barnacle on a ship. are people working in the various aspects government. They really don't care rows behind what's going on as long as they can maintain their job and get their pensions and they don't WanNa hear people raise issues that they can't answer and if you raise these issues they act like Oh like somehow they want to see if they can unqualified you even if you proved who've that you're qualified and they couldn't pass a PhD or master's thesis. It doesn't matter if they're decision of control they have the geopolitical control well and you don't and that's the problem with our this big burgeoning government regulations and big industry is that they decided not you and they don't decide dinosaur in your best interests so if you don't doing point service water filtration don't expect water to be clean enough to drink. Wash your clothes or your dishes or debate it. I mean and people need to get that. Don't they yeah. They need to understand that you know I mean. Let's face it. Government has a role in society and one of the one of the roles is infrastructure and delivering water to your house is part of the infrastructure. We count on the government for doing that for us. They think their responsibility is to deliver water to your house with it being free of bacteria system virus so they poisoning now. They don't always get it right. That's why you you get boil water alert. That's why you get all kinds of issues with municipal water. and you know in that doesn't mean that the water that they're starting with is the same everywhere people got understand. Water is tremendously different from one side of the town to the next in many cases. I have people who have a well on an island up in the San Juan Island in Washington state. One Gang has the well he's got different water than the guy across the street has another well and so all the water that they're starting with waters not all the same but we count on the government to deliver it to our house without Bugden so that means after poisoning in some cases they treated a little bit I sometimes they just dumped in chlorine someplace to use chlorine but they're putting poison in the water and they're trying to do some kind of regulation of currently on the list of regularly contaminants is about ninety three chemicals and then and if they want to add a new chemical on there that they might be harmful for you and they decide should be regulated it goes to about a twenty year process of quote unquote quotes scientific evaluation before they decide whether this is something they want to regulate or not and that means in the meantime. You're drinking it. That means well well. There's spending time decide whether it's killing you or not. You're drinking it and then if they come along and decide hey guess what we decided that we're going to go ahead and start to regulate regulate contaminant. XYZ And so you've been drinking XYZ for the last thirty years sorry about that. You should only be drinking. let's see Ten ten parts per million and then five years later they well. We were wrong on that one to really should only be one part per million so guess what now the community munity that spent all the time and energy developing the techniques to remove that from your water down to ten parts per million now house to retool and dig it out down to one part per million Elliot so they petitioned the government so they can have exemptions so they can spend five or another ten years building infrastructure to regulate to to remove the contaminant down to the new level well in the meantime. You're drinking it and so this is the problem with counting on the government to deliver to you. Water are truly safe to drink is it. They don't know number one number two. They take forever to get it right if they do it. It all and number three right. Today might not be the same right tomorrow. So why are you counting on the government to take care of this vital vital vital resource. That's part of your life food water air. You know and that's pretty simple. You gotTa have those components. Well water is one place sadly where we get polluted and contaminated in our own body because waters carrying all these contaminants with it scholten. Don't stop using your own body to filter water. That's just silly starting to put a good filter on your water supply why right at the point of us right before used that way it doesn't have time to pick up toxins from the lead pipes in your house or other contaminants from the pipes in your house you know just filter right at the point of view that way you ensure that you have absolutely pure water. If you WANNA monkey with the water after that you want to add some minerals. We have a module to add back a little calcium magnesium. You can add different things you can use doctor bills nutraceutical cervical. Some people choose to waive a gander pen in the water. There's all kinds of things that you can do but the most important thing you have to do is make sure that the water water is pure know that you're starting with a pure substrate and then after that you get the benefit of detoxification that water that you drink his. GonNa help purify your body carry away the other toxins that you're getting from the food in the ad and so you know it's just essential that you don't rely on the the government to do you know what they deliver to your house. Is I consider the raw material for drinking water. That's the raw material now. We need to make it into drinking water and the way you do that. Filter it remove all the contaminants that exist in the water so that your drinking nothing but h two O. Oh the way nature rain water comes down out of the sky except for when the air's all polluted right and so you know you can't count on the the organic crop is getting rained down on with whatever's in the atmosphere it could be radioactivity could be all the toxins from the smoldering during a PCB says waste collection places in China that they just burn all these old circuit boards from computers computers. You know when you recycle your computer where's that crap end up gets put in a container ship to China put onto a pile of smoldering debris and it burns fills the air with cadmium and all kinds of other nasty chemicals and so that gets up in the atmosphere rains down on. You rains down on in the air. Are you breathe. rains down on your crops rates down on your carefully tended organic food so you have to have ways to eliminate toxins funds from your environment pure water one of the ways that you number one stop ingesting contaminants number two you get you allow your body to help detoxifying. Get that crap out of your body so it's not lurking around hanging out in your in your glandular tissue in your adipose tissue waiting to combine with some other molecule that flip the bit. You're the guy looks in the mirror and one of us got cancer so you know you have to eliminate out these toxins from your environment water is one of the places we get it eliminated from your water and let your water do what he does best help. detoxify talks by your body carry other contaminants out yeah exactly now the important thing. I think that people should understand is that all the other systems will release heavy metals. They don't stop flow right. You don't stop pathogens example to water to sterile so this water you mm you drink for example. If you've got cancer you're told not to drink tap water because tap water is going to be contaminated in fact you've had chemo radiation in your immune system suppressed. You drink tap water. You're going to die not just have a bad day. You can get a serious enough. Gi tract infection because it meant suppression that if you drink tap water that's not sterilized. You're you're going to get seriously sick and may well die and you can't with with pure water system water. The problem I see is that people understand. The water is getting dirtier. The recycling more toxic water we have more industrial waste worldwide circulating from industrial countries like Asia where they don't have industrial standards. We have more recycled water. That's being put back into our water aquifers I think it's pretty crazy. Don't you think the idea of of recycling this water is really insane because we just don't have the infrastructure we are infrastructure has never been built with this idea of recycling recycling water because what are you gonNA. Right back. You're going to recycle the same water that came from your toilet with some industrial chemical plants and then you're GonNa think think somehow unless you've got Biki level pure water system level purification. That water is not going to be safe to drink. They can treat it a little bit and then and pump it up a mountain stream and let the sunlight shining on it and think oh. It's going to be okay to drink. That's insane. Who knows what's going to happen. We're all those chemicals mixed together together into a toxic soup and then the sunlight gets on them and changes the molecules even more. You don't know what's coming your body. That's just it's just a crazy idea. Does that makes sense to recycle the water. You know if you're gonNA take that water and it's going to get sprayed onto a golf course or something that people long green so the golfers can chase that crazy white ball around that's a good thing or bad thing for the Golfer but they'll already crazy 'cause they are chasing the low white ball around but you know there are places that you can up that that you could use this recycled water but not for human consumption. That's just insane not for crops. You don't want to put that on your crops. You don't want your body. Ridiculous really is isn't it it it. It just makes no sense at all until you nope nope. We always say thank you for years of affiliation. You've you've been generous to listeners for so long at ten percent discount down with the with the Promo Code Neutra bed. PRI and your body your the Children Dr Bill absolutely amazing stuff. Thank you Bob we will see next week and of course three the important understand that if you don't have pure water you're not thinking new taxes. I watering how don't become the filter get a filter at their water systems have of your dramatical back home with our two party. Brisk number is nine eleven eighteen years ago nine eleven happened.
From Z to A, Part 2
"The change between hello again. Everyone welcome back to ghost with the twin peaks. Podcast I want your Co host. Skaggs back in the of solitude with one of my favorite people on the planet we call. Earth San sprouse. How're you doing in? How's it going? Charles that's going pretty good probably better than probably better than what it's going for you these days. Yeah there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Well that's good. That's very that's very optimistic. Yeah Yeah I'm a little little little nervous about it. I have to have cert- we are recording this on February thirteenth. Yes and I have to have surgery on February seventeenth so next time we talk Charles. It will be posted up for me so so for the schedule this week. That means Fourteenth Valentine's Day tomorrow. I'm taking my wife Lori out or we're going to bonefish GRILL BANK SHRIMP No. I'm getting the fish with the with the Tempera fish and chips. I don't know why I thought you would Bang Bang Shrimp. It has garlic well. I like shrimp but I don't like garlic so apparently I'm half vampire. So you can't handle the garlic so dude. I am literally Romanian. Okay that is an excuse. Well that's why that's why I can't see your reflection all right. So what does it okay? So That's the Fourteenth Sixteenth is my dad's eighty fifth birthday eighty five. That's amazing dead. Yeah so my dad turns eighty five if you can believe it and then they after that. Zan had surgery. Yup It's going to be good day. It's GONNA BE AWESOME. So and then hopefully she feels a lot better so hopefully. I will feel much much better we will. We will get into why she's having the search. No no no. It's it's it's it's lady surgery. Surgery Lady Surgery Has Lady reveals nothing. Hashtag lady surgery so ladies in a lady reveals nothing so as it is her prerogative as is as it should be. It's math raggedy. Ann Do what exactly is talking all this stuff about me. What Zanthosyn rocking a nice spiffing? New Baby Yoda shirt she got. I am my baby. Yoda shirt that looks very very bootleg. That's all right. The picture of baby owed it says naps and snacks absence. Which is what my next week is going to be all about exactly as you watch family ties. Marathon been yes. Pete Public Service announcement if you have. Cbs L. ACCESS. Which you should because you should be watching Picard Right Family. Ties is on CBS. All access like the whole series. It's pretty amazing except for the movie except for family vacation so sorry to disappoint you but don't go looking for it might be out on the interweb somewhere. I'm sure do I looked and I looked gonNA find not anywhere not anywhere obvious. Yeah maybe maybe they tried to purge it off the face of the earth like the Star Wars Christmas special. No it's not even it's it's not that bad. It's not that I gotta find some family ties Geek like me. That has like an old vhs dubbed that he's willing to do on dropbox or something like that but if you're out there get a whole get in touch with. Us seriously got out. It's hooked me up with family ties movie exactly all right so while we're talking all this stuff though. We got some more twin peaks to talk about so yeah we sure do. Hey you know. We're a twin peaks pocket so we should probably talk about that stuff. Big News in the form of Academy Awards this week because this was a big big year for David Lynch Fans David Lynch specifically getting his lifetime achievement. Award right although of course. We didn't get to really see that on TV because the Academy Awards have kicked those to curb that I did. Yeah I do too but I always liked those. But they did show a snippet of footage of Lynch getting his award. Yeah but it's not as good as them doing that. I mean what did they stop doing it before they give lifetime achievement award David Lynch and Donald Sutherland? They not know how much I would love. I know like how much I want to watch. Donald Sutherland I mean. Come on exactly. Yeah seriously but even though we're not quite sure if it is the real domino Donald Sutherland. Dude I don't care I mean if you feed a pod person from it that's fine. I'm not here for conversation. You Shave off that Perm and you come to bed. Donald Sutherland. Okay so David Lynch yes so so David Lynch was awesome even though we already kind of knew that because hey the had the awards like back in two thousand Nineteen October. The big the big news of course so on. Sundays broadcast the tenth. Laura dern got her first ever Oscar for best supporting actress for her role as Nora fanshawe in marriage story and so that was that was a long overdue because previously she was nominated for best supporting actress for wild in two thousand fifteen and best actress for rambling rose in one thousand nine hundred ninety two. She nominated for that she yes. She was nominated for that but that was her best. She was really really good in that. But that movie was Kinda stupid it You know it. I mean I liked it because it was her but it was little weird and kind of a kind of a dumb story. Well if you don't know nobody really remembers rambling rose or wild. So yeah but there's so many good larger and movies out there like I would have. If I were going to nominate her for a best actress I would have done citizen. Ruth I thought citizen ruth was Anthony. It isn't ruth is a fantastic story and with a political edge to it right. It's about this unmarried woman who gets pregnant and a group and is considering an abortion so of pro choice. People are sort of making her their poster child as well as a an anti-choice Group A group of people so like she's being pulled from both directions like back. You know you're the perfect face for us and you're the perfect face for us and she's being pulled in both directions for as to what she what she should do to to. Basically for political reasons. It's really really interesting. And she does really really good. I was not. Yeah wasn't aware of that after a check that out. Yeah that's a really good one. And of course Laura dern with Columbus connection having been in the movie teachers and she had some because I forget who it was that said somebody on. Facebook said that Laura dern pretty much made or David Lynch pretty much made Laura dern like I duNNo. I thought teachers in masks were both really really good. I think mask is kind of what? Put her on the map for most people. Yeah remember seeing online that there was some criticism that she didn't think David Lynch during her acceptance speech because a lot of people think David Lynch made her. And I'm thinking well you know she thanks her parents who you know Bruce dern and Diane Ladd who literally those. Nobody's yeah and Diane Ladd. Who was there? She was during brought her mom to the Oscars which was awesome right. But the thing is you could say that. But what is learned on three David Lynch projects so you obviously and then twin peaks obviously and then the third one. I'm thinking of. Oh the heart. Yeah Yeah So. I forgot about twin peaks right so four projects one forgiving. Doing podcast Charles F. In great I just wasn't I just wasn't thinking Such an ensemble. It almost doesn't even count. So yeah there's there's there's blue velvet there's wild at heart. There's inland empire inland empire. That's the one I was forgetting that so I should remember that and we just thought and as fantastic as in an empire was in his wonderful as Laura dern was in it right. It's not a particularly accessible movie. And Laura Dern was Laura dern when she made it right so if you know if it was alerted stretches what you're saying no I'm saying that Laura dern was the name that she is now when she made it's not like inland empire is what made her famous household name. Laura dern if Laura dern is going to think anyone for making her a household name it should be Spielberg right for Jurassic Park. Yes there's your park because if you go to if you go up to any person on the street and say what do you think of Laura Dern who owe the sandy from from Blue Velvet? They'RE GONNA go. What exactly and if you say you know Dr. Sadler the blonde from Jurassic Park. Oh yeah her with her hands in poop like that's what people that's what most people on me. I'm sorry everybody remembers her right elbow deep in that pile of Sarah tops dropping Dino Dino dropping Sir Donald so that's what people are going to her for same thing with Sam Neill we. I mean no no Vice Admiral Holdover from Star Wars. The last Jedi. Thank you very much but people who saw that they are going to think I've got that. Is that poop girl from Jurassic effort. You know it's like I said. By the time she was Vice Admiral. Hold Oh yes. She was Laura Dern. I mean she's been Laura dern for a really long time and I think in a certain arena of people like US film buffs nerds. David Lynch is what we think of. When we think of Lord you know we think of David Lynch roles. I absolutely adore her in wild at heart. I think she's amazing. I think Diane Ladd is amazing in wild at heart although she goes overboard with lipstick. I'm just saying little too much little too much little too and every time I watch that I think about what it must've taken to take that lipstick off right like how much she would have had. How much cold cream? She would take that off. I mean lipstick very greasy people but anyway like I said I think other things that people know Laura dern from and I think I think if we're if we're going to say the one movie that everyone knows learn from it's going to be Jurassic Park. Yes I agree with that. So we have a consensus so those weren't the only twin peaks connections actually one more during the in Memoriam segment. We saw Robert Forster during the segments so very happy that he made the in Memoriam segment because there would have been held to pay so got a headache. Yeah you gotTa have you gotTa have share of term in there and speaking speaking of twin peaks people that have departed us. Yes Chris and I were watching Argo the other day. I don't know if you've ever seen ARGO I have seen argo but I love it and it's one of those movies if it's on I'm Gonna. Watch it all the way through plays Jack Kirby in Argo. I can't remember offhand. Now Michael Parks Really. Yes yes everybody happy. Everybody's happy. Yeah he he's juvenile himself. He's in it for like eight seconds but but that that's the famous thing about the ARGO project is that the storyboards were done by Jack. Kirby and Michael Parks was him. So yeah that was. He's also in kill bill volume two by the way. Where is he in that? He's the guy the really creepy guy that cut up his girlfriend ing scarred her face at the end of the movie when she's like just before the BRIDE GOES TO CONFRONT BILL O. Unlike most men screw up without a father collected father figures. That's him yes did not remember. I did not remember that being marks. That's okay marks. Yep the late. Greek Chameleon Michael Parks good job sir. Pretty much so anyway. Just a thought they give a little shout outs to all the shots. That congratulations yeah. Congratulations Florida long-overdue. My opinion because he has very well-deserved very very well deserved and I love that she brought her mom to the Oscars. I always think that's great. When people bring their parents to the Oscars Cantabria brought his mom. Canneries is a god among men very much. Well yes of course he is. So yes. That is due caboose. Thank you very much. You know how it used to be. Neo is like oh it's neo. Now it's like now John Wick now. I have not seen any of those John. We're really good really heard to really insane action movies. Yeah you know. It's just a question of whether you like. You know guys getting shot. But it's stylistically stylistically. It's amazing I mean it depends on the guys you know. There's just so many like continuous shot sequences in that movie that it's very impressive. You can call him neo. You can call John Wick. Will you can call them. Duke. You can call three. You can call him Jay but we all know that he is forever. Ted Theodore Logan exactly. Yeah most once again summer. Stay Tune God. I can't wait. I can't wait. Oh my gosh all right with his daughter Billy. Don't be so amazing I. I didn't even pay outs like. They have daughters and they they're like they're reverse names of them. The you know the other from Ted's daughters named billy and was in daughter's name Theo or something like that. Yeah so I think that's the one thing I really WanNa know is. Who's missing married to now right? You know WHO's right? Like where'd she go from here? Who DID MRI Mary Right? I don't know so. Yeah that'll be a good one. I guess we'll find out. Hopefully we'll find out. I can't and of course George Carlin's daughter so that's kind of cool. Yes yes all right so Remember last time way back in episode sixty seven about five years ago when we covered a from Z to a part wine. Well we're back and finally going to talk part two so we should probably talk about that so everybody thank you for coming back for this so. I don't think that we forgot about it so this is a good this because Charles here with an economics lesson I tell you what is on. What of the box sets. Yes and which ones you lied to. By which means you need to keep. Unfortunately the answer is probably all of them right but what we got going on Charles. Okay so basically in this twenty one box set that we've already talked a little bit about we. I think we've mentioned this. I think I mentioned this last time. Essentially what it is you know the contents. It's the entire contents of the original twin peaks. The tire mystery set. You know the original. I blew race at the. We got of the original series and fire. Walk with me. That was released back in two thousand fourteen. So it's those ten discs and then And that's it. You know that little compartment foldout. Accordion fold out. That's the first one. The second one is all the return discs that were in the elimidate events series collection that we talked about here on ghost would episode twenty-seven if you remember that that was that was back you know on In two thousand seventeen or eighteen the beginning of that that we talked about in the second time out in two thousand seventeen so essentially what what from Z to a is. It's both the entire mystery sets and the unlimited event series set and a couple of new discs from the return essentially like to essentially. It's like yeah. The the the entire mystery a limited event plus two more discs. So could you get away Charles with only buying this Zita a or do you have to buy the complete mystery and the limited series and I think you could just like if you don't already own and the entire mystery and the the limited event yes you should probably get from zd because essentially UK. It's a complete set. The only difference is is that in those that have the entire mystery set. Kind of know about this is that there are some differences from that original goal box. Set THAT THE DVD RELEASE. Yep The much beloved DVD released. Because hey it had like some really cool special features that weren't brought over to the entire mystery set so therefore they're not brought over into the frenzy to Aset. Everybody got that. I know it's confusing. Everybody getting this so far. Yeah we feel like we. We talked about this. We joked that we need a flow chart. Excuse me I'm getting all choked up over it that where we have you know just to figure out where everything is in the set Now some of the stuff that wasn't brought over from that gold box DVD set. Obviously we talked about this. The Saturday night live sketch. Yes which which was sorely missed. Which is one of the reasons I have not gotten rid of. Michael Bucks still had my gold box because that is fantastic. I would love to see that on BLU ray remastered but we're not going to get it so so yeah I know but it would be nice pretty much. I'm sure I'm sure it was all that and You know the parent company and all that. So that's not on there. The artisan entertainment twin peaks the first season. Dvd audio commentaries. We're not brought over from the Goldbach. Said the Julie Cruise is falling music. Video was not brought over okay which you would think would be there right no Julie Cruise. Yeah you'd think and here's something I thought it was disappointing. That wasn't abroad over the Georgia coffee commercials. You know the ones where comic Lachlan them yes. That's right those weren't brought over so again. More reasons to keep your Goldbach set right there and also there was a twin peaks festival greeting which was like the short film from David Lynch for the two thousand eight twin peaks festival released in the Lime Green set. Apparently and the only twin peaks related part of this video. Release so okay. All right so just to. Yes if you're like Charles. And I and you've bought every incarnation of twin peaks up to now right and you need shelf space. Yes you could probably sell your complete mystery and limited event series event. Yes okay yes you want to keep your gold box right. You probably want to keep your goal box and you want to keep the frenzied right. That's pretty good. You would pretty pretty good. Yeah Yeah you would have. I think so and so if you're looking for shelf space you're looking for a little extra cash. Whatever could probably yes sell those older limited vents series sets like Zan said the entire mystery set. Okay still had and still have everything but you gotTa keep your box to keep the goal bucks and it would have been nice but Unfortunately some stuff gets lost. You know right sit whatnot whatnot so but Charles. Charles can't have nice things exactly like like like a complete set of funk. Oh twin peaks figures like I don't know like loss fun co twin peaks pace dispensers. Yeah that too. Yeah you were saying Pez dispensers of everything else shah. They've already done the pop. They have the pop mold or they had to do is make them smaller Charles. I figured out what what's wrong. With my numbering. I was looking at their own numbers. I was looking at the wrong looking at the wrong numbers. Might mess with the numbering. No no I was. I was thinking at the wrong thing. So you can make fun of and that's the problem also because those things are identical in the packaging. Let me tell you Charles. Seven is not eight dead K. Care how much it rights. Yeah it's not eight five. I was looking at me. I was looking. I mean I don't care. Two plus two is five in. How many times you try and tell it to me. State me and Winston. We're both going to think it's for No I was just looking at the wrong. Yeah it's either wrong notes for the wrong enveloped in that a Chevron packaging. Kind of gets you. Yeah you gotta you gotTa take the disc now to see which ones you're supposed to be doing so that's a little tricky all right so anyway. So that's that's the kind of the breakdown as far as as that goes so Now wanted to talk about some stuff on the entire just for the sake of organization. Let's just call the entire mystery? Section and then the limited event section okay. Right because the limited sectioned. We've already event section because we talked about what's on some of the new discs right with the new discs but it's like with the eliminate addition. Let's call it. Let's call it the limited series envelope because that's what they are all right limited series envelope so we have the envelope at the limited series envelope. Got It on the limited series envelope discs three through six no special features. There's not a lot going on so I mean there's a lot of really good stuff on here but there's a ton of stuff previously from from the entire mystery and the way it S- town we haven't really talked here on on the on the podcast. No and the way it breaks down and this is weird and you guys told me if you guys have the same problem on the entire mystery my disc. One says their special features on it. But there's no special features like there's nothing on the menu that says special features right and see. I had the log lady introductions they got recaps of select episodes and so there's like some Easter eggs on there. Well maybe it's an Easter Egg. I don't know but for me I couldn't find any like you. Put the disk in disc one the first season. And you don't have anything you got pilot episode one and two and special features meeting the Log Lady Intros. We talked about this that I think it's built in to the actual episode. It's part well. That's data thing. It's it's not a separate special features section right. It's not a special feature section right but it's part of the audio you have to choose it as part of the audio. Yes for each for the episode. So so so when you're when you're in the individual episode looking for that and then you have options you could either watch it with or without the Log Lady Intros or you can watch the previews and recaps or not and that your one thousand nine hundred ninety and you're in high school or you can pretend that it's nineteen ninety five in college right or or you know like my wife and I we were like watching the re re airing of twin peaks on Bravo right and they had the laws of the intros which were like. Oh that's so cool. They had log aleady intros but yeah I was in college and that was the only way I could get the episodes without spending money. I didn't have on VHS BOXES. There were hard to find. And so I think I was even if I had to go to school. Why would set up the timer? I met my view. I hate the menu. I that that little so knowing you I get it. You have great sound. You don't have to show US EVERY SINGLE DISC. Yeah see here. We've got play all episodes or setup other right so you go into episodes. Yeah and if you if you're a Yes there's luckily the intro or not or the international version so you get a movie or you get the American the American pilot but there's no special features menu on disc one. So you gotta do that. Episode by episode got disc. Two is interesting because they have those. The Lucy sneak peeks for the next for the next week. Yeah in retrospect I think they give too much away like there's like. There's one where you see naked audrey in bed in in Cooper's bed and you're like that is literally the last frame of this episode like literally gave the entire episode away so I thought that was kind of ridiculous and because yeah that's what ends the episode. Yeah Yeah episode. So I think that's essentially the cliffhanger. Yeah yeah disc. Three gives you a slice of Lynch which is where we first learn of the origin of mclachlan's nicknamed Kale Right which is because dino dealer and test the great the late great dino dealer and just could not pronounce Kyle so he called Him Kale. Yes personally I think it's awesome because it's Kyle. Dale put together its tail and then so then on a different one. Different documentary you find out that Kyle Calls Lynch Decay L. for his initial. You Know David Keith. Lynch D Kale and Lynch Calls Kale. Yes I think. That's adorable Disc for has some deleted scenes outtakes my favorite thing about the deleted scenes. Is you see a ground breaking ceremony on the great northern and they're using golden really. I didn't catch the using golden shovel. Good catch well. You know. It's amazing. Well actually now that I think about it that's traditionally for you know groundbreaking ceremonies it's traditionally at gold level. Because they know that right now with my job you know. We've we've had some like I work with you. Know for an engineering design firm in real life. And we've had times where the like. We've had these ceremonial shovels for groundbreaking like water plants and whatnot and their golden looking shovels. So yeah I are. They are they to coast guaranteed or coats though. That's the thing. Yeah so see. This is why you gotta get your doctor amp shovel. So yeah you got to guaranteed. I just went. I saw them using golden shovel. That just made me laugh. It's hilarious disc. Five has the return to twin peaks. Which is a feature at on the fest on the Fan Festival the Convention? Yeah and which is fine. But boy does it really. It's trying so hard to to set itself apart from like an other from other festivals. Yeah but it's it's exactly a Geek Festival. Well you know. Sometimes you get an embrace that you just got to embrace it. What we're doing is geeking out exactly. That's kind of what we do here. Right we embrace arche. Keenness over twin peaks. That's exactly what we do now disk five and of course I'm using dismembers from Zita a good good because it's the same. It's the same thing. Yeah it's the same stuff so disk. Five what super cool about that. Is They have this interactive location guide. That tells you where everything is so if you ever do make it to snoqualmie falls right you can sort of use this as a guide as to where you need to check out and what you should look for and what you should. Google of course be respectful of private property but this is a good place to start from and then they have the a one nine hundred messages that you could call which I remember the ad for that being in the back of rolling stone that you could you could call and get the messages for and then the The Lucy bombs the end of each episode. Those are pretty good What's interesting about this group of the Glastonbury? Archives were apparently Mark Frost originally wanted Robert Forester as sheriff. Truman wow that's so so obviously. That's why they considered him for Frank. Truman yeah it went. So when I'm guessing they probably try to get Michael on keen on keen for whatever reason didn't want to or wasn't able to so they're like well. Hey remember. We talked about Robert Forster? I'm guessing that's let's get. Let's get I. I heard that in house like what would that that would not have resonated with me when I watch these the original the first time when the BLU ray set first came out it would have. It would have struck a chord with me. I've been like yeah. Whatever you mean that guy from all and Dr sure why not but now that it's like Oh my God and he did become Sheriff Truman. This is so great and he did. So it's so obviously from talking. Frost knew what he was talking about. Absolutely and But yeah. This is the Glastonbury archives That's actually something very interesting about the return stuff. We'll talk about frost. Remind me to talk about that. 'cause it's right tree. We'll talk about that all right. But the archives is the late Great Craig Miller on the phone with Mark Frost. Right and Just a little bit of a Trivia for you Charles. Yes Craig Miller did multiple locations not just wrapped in plastic. He was the person that created wrapped in plastic nagazine. Which I have several issues of still as do I. Yes he also did. A magazine called spectrum. Big Fan magazine. Yes very precise iphone yet. Creative writing your fiction. Yeah all that. Yeah well if you're ever interested and you can find you can dig up the May nineteen ninety-seven issue of spectrum. Guess who's on the cover that one who Chris sprouse really really. Yes it was. It was Uh Craig Miller. Craig Miller interviewed Chris sprouse around the time of splinter of the mind's eye when Oh yeah with the adapted that yeah for cabinet. Chris Brown did the comic adaptation of the novel splinter. The mind's eye that is awesome. I novels a kid by the way. Yeah it's and I was original star wars novel. Yeah that was great. I original star wars novel and it was all we could get for awhile. I think because we still had to wait for empire so you like this is a this. Is You know like the year I wanna say like the year. After star wars came out and everybody has just seventy nine like hungry as hell for star wars stuff and even between between return of the Jedi and even the Timothy Zahn books. Yeah you know. We had split in the minds. I we had the Han Solo novels and we had the Landau novels. Yeah and that was like it. I mean yes. We had the walk adventure but that no that doesn't yet. Nobody wants that. Nope I just thought that was. I thought that was super cool. That Mark Frost originally wanted Rubber Forrester. I thought that was a neat neat. Little typically go back and find that out disc six is postcards from the cast. And it's tons of the cast interviews just giving giving little little mini interviews. And they're all really great and I highly recommend listening to all of them but a couple of the ones that stand up for me. Were Michael J. Anderson. How people would come up to him and try and talk backwards to him in real life like they'd see him on the street and they try to talk like twin peaks talk to him. Why do you do that stuff? I don't get it thank alone and then Wendy Robie was talking about how? When she was reading the script she thought she was additioning. For some sort of Lewis and Clark like interests yes absurd Lewis and Clark and then maybe that's why Lewis and Clark made it into the twin peaks You know the the history the secret history of Twin Peaks Book Yeah Yeah probably and Rewire is was good friends with Kenneth McMillan who was bearing her CONAN. So Oh really yeah. So this whole David Lynch crew just keeps intertwining with each other. It's almost like this. Its its own little subculture. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it's own little vacuum of little island but yeah exactly and again I'm going to. I'm going to preface this with. You are in trouble. There is help it is out. There is never abuses. Never okay no if you have to reach out to me and Charles. That's fine for you. Exactly but mansion amid tells me tells tells a story about being still in her makeup. Her abused wife make up. Oh having select go get gas and she said people would come up to her and try and say what can we do and I thought that was wonderful. That people were that conscientious after being beaten up by a sock sock by stock. But yeah she's just she's like. No one just having showered. I'm an actress. It's so but I thought that was. That was a nice little this cool. There are still faint. Glimmers of humanity in this barbaric slaughterhouse. That of course that was that was how many decades ago now so but still. I think that's wonderful before the duck and also before the empire or the empire. Don Davis is an adorable man. I'm just going to say it. He's just adorable. But we also and Charles I. You've I thought you find this really interesting too. We find out how else rebel lost his arm. Yes and that's something that also gets carried over onto the limited series set. But we can talk about. We can talk about now if you want just turban to give you a little bit of a break since you've been doing a lot of talking there so So okay so like I said this also shows up later on the Limited distant or limited series envelope and Apparently you know the story is and this is something that you tells. Lynch how he lost his arm and so we find out lease cordao sixty years ago. This coming from the from the Limited series said. I'm coming at the age of eighteen. Al Had this really fast car and apparently he was coming home late at night during winter in Madison Wisconsin and he was going according to him obviously way too fast and he hit you guessed it black ice and as he was getting out the tires you know reached the end of the ice so they hit dry pavement and that causes the car flip over and he shot through the roof and according to him he said he landed about seventy five feet in an elm tree in someone's yard and he fell from the tree and then he felt the back of his head and it was all mushy so according to him he essentially he felt his brains. Yeah and yeah so. He said he plopped his cranium back on his head which. I can't even imagine you know like if you're if you're like your whole essentially had a like a tray panning thing where your you know your skull was kind of removed from your and you had to kind of put it back on just to keep your brains in your head and this is of course you know. Just I came in imagine that. So naturally he. He says he left his body so essentially he had like an out of body experience here. He went through a tunnel of light and he fought to come back and when he came back in. You know inside the House that you know who's guys yard that he landed in Apparently guy was taking a shower and he went to bed without hearing the accident. But then the guy who turns out to be a deputy. Sheriff comes out and he added police car in the driveway and apparently The police car had oxygen and blankets in it. And said you know how Lucky Lucky Yeah EXAC. And apparently according to this is where that little subtitle a pot of boiling oil on the unlimited event series envelope Comes from says sensation that his arm was in a pot of boiling oil all the time. Oh my God how horrific is that? That's he's lucky to be alive. And it's exactly all the stories you hear about how your body goes into survival mode right you can't you can't stop and think about the fact. I am holding my skull to my brain right Marm. Yeah and I'm trying to make sure my brain doesn't fall out of my head. Yeah your body doesn't think about that. It just does what it needs to do and still alive. And he still alive and he is. What seventy eight years old now almost eighty years old? So that's crazy and I'm sure Lynch like listening to this going. That would make a great movie fantastic. And he's Laurie thinking like oh I could. I do apply all the bloody makeup around that. And he's trying he's probably trying to. Yeah he's probably GONNA but yeah. I think this was. This was my favourite disc of all these little mini interviews. Because of all the things we learn about everybody I'll just talk about two more and you should watch the rest of them because they're fantastic piper. Laurie she's vague about it but she says she met David Lynch through a mutual friend and I am dying if that mutual friend is CISSY space. I'll bet it was because he space of course being married Jack Fisk and playing Piper. Laurie's daughter in Kerry. And of course this space that being one of the essentially the financial being the money at the funder funding source for racer head. Yes yeah exactly. So I was when she said that through mutual friend. I'm like I am wondering if that is cissy. Space not surprised to And the one last thing I wanted to mention about this is that amber tamblyn has the greatest pair of shoes in the history of shoes I think because until the story about how they were at a party and she was eight eight years old and just walked around and had everybody signed her little pink shoes. So she's got she's got Frank Silva's autograph on her shoes. How much would it be worth holy crap? Oh my gosh. I mean for twin peaks fan for five grand easy. Yeah Pretty Much. I go thank you so especially because those actors are no longer with US sadly how many are no longer with us exactly right and so yeah. There's some more promos on here and it just reminds me of the network shuffle back in the day when used to watch TV on a network like just had it and it would be like now twin peaks at its new time in things would get shuffled around and you have no hunt for it and look through. Ti because back in the day you had just had TV guide magazine. That either came in the newspaper once a week. Or if you're like seriously a big spender you bought the TV Guide magazine. You gotTA subscription remiss. Yes Ms Shannon Miller. Bong the subscription. Tv. And you're able to figure that out. And I don't know about you Charles but I remember getting the TV guide as a kid and going through and highlighting it highlighting I never highlighted but I still have some of my TV guides. Believe it or not. I'm talking about the way for the paper like I never go. Okay but yeah like usually I would get that to like I would use both because sometimes like one like one listing like in the TV guide wouldn't have a description but the one in the newspaper would or vice versa exactly so and TV guide had pictures and stuff like that like I. I am not GonNa sit here and tell you I didn't have pictures of Michael J. Fox TV guide taped on my wall. Because I did a TV got had a little bit more in it but the but the one from the newspaper. You were sure you would know what was on where you were you were so but to get. It was ridiculous how that would happen. And that's one of the problems with twin peaks when it had trouble finding its feet. The Beginnings ca kept getting moved around all the time right. And it's exactly what and I think that this is what. Abc David Lynch right with On the air by putting it on. What was it on like nine? Thirty ten o'clock on Saturday night. It's like even nerds. Go out to dinner the movies on Saturday night and it wasn't like it is now we're your Nielsen Ratings. Can Track your dvr? Yeah so you. Thousands taped it but who knows so you mentioned TV guide. Can I share something? Pretty NEAT. Yes I do I wanna see something need look at this is the actual like you know ads from TV. Guide magazine that I kept all these years. Uh Nice look at that. You have taped stuff like that is amazing. I think on tonight we find out who killed Laura Palmer really really. So how cool is that? Not that is super cool. I forget where what verse three of it but I posted that on On a some June tenth I think it might have been the twenty fifth anniversary that some June tenth. I posted that. The shocking finale one. I found that online and I posted it on facebook. Which along with that? You still have like. I do these out. Got a bunch of my old clippings of like old twin peaks stuff. I really should have scan these rolling stones article and my Gosh. I should really like scan these post these on our site. I wish I still had. I had a picture of Kyle mclachlan on my school notebook that I I just cut it out of. I think it was redbook. Actually right I just cut it out and put it in. I had one of those books that had like. You know the little slot you forget the visible. Yeah we could slide something in. Yeah and so it was Keepers something no just a just a regular by just a regular binder had the had the clear film around it where you could slide in. Yeah a little sheet of plastic over it so that you can slips. Yeah you could slip in there right and so I always make collages or stuff and put that on my notebook and so I had kyle mclachlan on there but what was funny about it. Is that everybody kind of laughed at it because it was a double page spread where he was in the right and the article started on the left and the article was titled. But can bake a cherry pie but the word pie was on the page with his picture. So this whole year I carried around a notebook with a picture comic Lachlan and Word Pie for like what the hell and I'm like. Don't even just it's hot okay. Don't start with me. Just don't ask me questions that's deal with it all right so what else. What else is in the entire mystery envelope? This seven we have some more cast interviews. The with there's like an interactive grid. It's a super nerdy. Great where you can like just like you know pick who you want from the interactive grid. It's great and again everybody's intertwined with each other apparently Charlotte Stewart lived with Jack. Nance for a while. Like I don't know if she like lived with him lived with him or roommate or I don't know or did she with him and Catherine same time. So it's done. Yeah so I don't know how old dog you you talk to. And then they have some crew interviews and there's a really really disturbing interview with Jennifer Lynch where she says that In the diary the the dream. Yeah the secret diary of Laura Palmer that she wrote yes with the rat eating or foot. That's real apparently. She actually had that. I wonder I kinda wondering how much of that was from her life. Yeah Yeah and so that I was like. Oh that horrible. 'cause that's kind of a hard one to make A. Yes yes exactly. I had to come from somewhere that somebody telling you this or it happened to you. And unfortunately for her. It was the ladder. So Yeah Oh scary so yeah. Disc eight was scenes from another was a secret from another place which I believe. We talked about disc nine was fire. Walk with me and this is some of the stuff we've talked about when we talked about and we talked talked about it but I don't know if Utah Nouri -tarian release and all that. Yeah did did we talk about the fact that matching a meek was supposed to be on watch major? Yes that's right because madge skin color. David David Lynch culture manage is by the way German girl by the way in case. You're wondering I took German class. So yeah that's the job. That's yes so. Apparently she pilot Baywatch. I did not know this. I'M GONNA PILOT BAY. Watch now really yea. It was like a little bit of a little bit of a scheduling conflict. Because of her baywatch she. She's had an interesting acting resume because she's now she's on. Riverdale things issue really awesome. Yeah that's awesome and then just ten stuff. I know we already talked about the between two worlds the thing. Where it's the Polymer Family. And then it's the actors talking right. Which kind of was kind of like Lynch kind of feeling out? Like what would a twin peaks reunion kind of be like? What could these people do it again? Yes yes yep. So I'm GonNa say this Charles set up before and I'll say it again if people can get it together to put photos on a DVD for a photo gallery. They can send those photos to Tashin. Tashin can put a book together that I can buy for seventy five dollars and put it on my coffee table right okay. Wires the coffee table book of this. Where is the coffee table book of the Still Gallery Photo galleries on? Dvd's where's the Damn Coffee Table Book? Where is the damn good coffee table book that we need that and David Lynch? That's free you can have that title. Exactly I'm here to give away Charles's intellectual property as I say I came up with at least give me a little credit. You know at the bottom of the inside You know publication texts. Yeah you have to have Charles in a trenchcoat doing a thumbs up on the inside somewhere. That's all that's all that's all that's going to require. I Wou I would totally by the way. Yeah I know you would totally do that. So all right so now. We're going to move over to the other envelope. Charles yes so You know and all right so Let's see your so we're going into the limited event envelope and just do the quick break down. Because I know we've been talking about this a lot so hopefully you guys are appreciating vest. Because you know we we. Obviously we dove really deep into this. So hopefully you our. We built up. We Dose Oh deep. We're not sure we're coming out again. We're not so we did it so you wouldn't have to that. Yeah exactly exactly so all right disc one. This is the the one the you know the Black Lodge Billy Ray curtains and all that we got parts one and two and then there's like a combined version of the return parts wanted to and then we've got some promos you know like Angelo battled. Mnt playing piano the David Lynch eating a donut and so on. I love pretty epic. Yes yes and you know I should put if I put that on a loop played it I would probably be asleep in like five minutes. Yeah all these little teasers that we got so excited because hey twin peaks is coming back. God I footage and like twenty five years plus All right and then we also got on this one twin peaks the phenomenon documentary which is broken up into three parts where we got. Chretien life after death and the Renaissance and pretty much. Everybody saying exactly what we've always said that there wouldn't be right the TV. We have today if there hadn't been so another thing that we're hearing in every interview that anybody ever does in any of these everybody frigging loves. David Lynch. Yeah just everybody has nothing but fantastic things to say about David Lynch. So all those people out there who think he's as weird as his movies. No he's just a really sweet guy that makes really good stuff exactly now. The one of the things I found really interesting about all these you know. The the limited event stuff is that you know you see obviously tons of stuff with Lynch you don't see Mark Frost at all. He is completely missing. And I find that really interests where is Mark Frost or anything like people talk about him? But there's no no proof that he actually is still alive. Is He? Writing Season Four. Eighty we don't know but I don't know or maybe you know a recluse that doesn't like to be on camera I don't know maybe somebody out there knows but I find it mark. Give us a call lettuce welfare fall. Just let us know you're doing okay. So He's do drop a drop us a line we'll tell you what leave your e mail here at the end of the show all right This too and this is what the Chevron floor menu this is parts three and four so of course we get a combined version of three and four as well if you want to do that. This is interesting because it has the twin peaks panel at the San Diego comic con from two thousand seventeen which was called twin peaks. Damn good panel and This is where you know. This is moderated by Damon Lindelof. Who went on to A lot of people are like well. Why is he doing that? Well it turns out. He's a big twin peaks Geek. And then he goes then he goes on later to bring back watchman which was inspired he was inspired by endings. That piss people exactly exactly so. That's that's where he learned. So you're gonNA seriously like David Lynch and something David Lynch alerted by watching. You enter tells you how to end. A series of people are going to be pissed off about talking about for twenty five years. You all right exactly. Yeah seriously somehow. Don't think there'd be talking about life. I was not pissed off. By the ending of watchmen. Though I thought it was good. No watchman was I absolutely loved it so it was one of the things that you know like okay. Lindelof taking over watchman. Is that GonNa be good well because they lost kind of turn out in and especially in season six but Yeah he totally pulled it off. He's stuck the landing and I was pleasantly surprised. I have a friend who felt so betrayed by lost. He refuses to watch anything. Any lost has ever touched and I just I just season six altogether and just watch one through five they all the I it ends with them. Getting destroyed a nuclear explosion. That's how the show shoe that all right wouldn't that's all right but so but everybody has everybody even friends of his who felt similarly betrayed by Lindelof. I've told him no. You need to watch like I. Think I think watchmen is gonNA bring the little off haters back into the leftovers. Apparently did that a little bit and so that kind of gave the leftovers Gay People. Some hope that okay. Well maybe it won't be like lost and And then you know watch now I think so. This is kind of like sort of redeeming his career a bit. I think he's been so so if if it came to the point where like Lindelof talked about bringing twin peaks because God forbid David Lynch was dead facing you talk like that. Say Out loud anymore. I'm just saying what everybody's thinking that that could happen because no juice you can only say it so many times if lindelof being such a twin peaks Geek I could see him. Why bring the show back and doing it himself? If if Lynch Frost were not available for whatever reason I want David fincher. Nobody twin beaks bring in twin peaks. Director David finch remember Dan. What it is on sesame sub got it from that was the sesame street would either. David fincher sister has already been on the show. He's got a connection right. So and here we go all right. That should be on this set to you by the way. The twin peaks skit from sesame. The twin beaks get yeah. That's true all right so we took. Yeah so we basically go through the COMECON stuff. We kind of talked about this. A little bit already A little bit. Yeah so this three. There's not much on that just parts. Five six seven this four three through through six episodes. Yeah and this is a this is the one with the Stop Light Menu. This has parts seventeen and eighteen. And then there's a combined seventeen and eighteen and then there's a documentary deca memory of very lovely dream one week in twin peaks and You know like so. We got to see Sabrina Sutherland. And you know a bunch of footage about you know like Richard Miriam's trailer and a whole bunch of other stuff we talk. I think we talked about this. And and we did. And we talked about Richard. Mamer short films right right and then And then of course the Rancho Rosa Logos because all versions of the of the Rancho Rosa. Intros which are different by the way they are different. You don't notice it initially because you're like yeah. Whatever twin peaks? Yeah but yeah. They are different. Just hurry up against the twin peaks and you're like Oh wait there were. There's something there. Okay yeah all right so impatient so exactly so disc gay. This is the double are exterior menu. So this has the big impressions journey behind the scenes. The twin peaks which are bunch of behind the scenes short films roughly about a half hour each directed by Jean S. For like a grand total of like four hours fifty one minutes so Jason SS trained out. David Lynch David Lynch documentary about David Lynch Hertie. Much and in my opinion does not quite pull it off. I don't think he pulls it off. I think it seems a little too consciously trying a little do fevered lynch ea to forest. Yeah yes exactly. Like I'm trying to be weird and quirky and it seems a little forced to me but there are some interesting very interesting stuff on on these one of these you know. We talked about some of them. There are some other stuff like like on the second one which is called smart. Tell it Martin. One of the things is that Lynch talks about like the best speech. Ever of course was Martin. Luther King's I have a dream speech. And he's talking about how he calls it staggering and cosmic and he wants to know who the woman was that was standing behind Martin Luther King as he was delivering the speech. Who Yells tell it? Martin that apparently buyers Martin Luther King's delivery because apparently according to Lynch like You Know Martin. Luther King's started off very slow and and kind of understated and then didn't really find his voice until that woman shouted out and then so he says like I really want to know who that woman was and there are some other cool stuff on there like Like Lynch meeting with Robert knepper and Jim belushi about their their characters. Because they think they're like brothers from different fathers and Lynch's like no no they're actual brothers. Who only have each other and stuff pretty much and and you know candy and Mandy and Sand Lake. So there's there's like about ten and call them. I always want to call them. Carl Marlin Darla from the Great Muppet Caper. But that's not so there's like ten in these and they're like sit about a half hour each and then that brings us to the new stuff some of which we talked about in from Z to a part one so that brings us to the new disc design which has behind the curtains parts one through twelve. And that's where we incredible romy talked about like parts one through eight and already you know like we kind of covered some of that stuff. But there's some really fascinating stuff and there's like a lot of the I mean. We talked about how great it was to see a lot of the footage from film and One of my particular highlights in part nine jr the filming of Jerry versus his foot. So Great. Because that was so seriously are if you're on the fence you're sitting there and you're thinking Charles you just. You just told me that most of the extra stuff on here. I already have because I have the entire ministry and the limited events series. So why should I buy this just for to do well? Guess what behind? The curtain is like worth one hundred dollars of this disc easy because some of these are like almost as long as the episode. Yeah because these are also like a roughly about twenty minutes each and there's eighteen of them so onto disks so there's a lot of of scenes filled stuff six hours you guys behind any no. It's only like you know like the barest minimum of what they could theoretically give us but anyway so there's like the no lunch and the conference room Chad stuff and That was great candies the leading through Chad Candy. Hunting the Fly Canyon the flood. Yeah that was great. You know Gordon Gordon with you know the French woman played by Baroness. Marlow the kind of guy where she spoke a little French. Exactly you know like the the slot machine addict lady with Mitchum's and all kinds of Sarah Palmer in the grocery store. How cool was it to see Greece? Brisky doing that Oh Yeah and then you know like all the great wraps of everybody other Conga line. That was fine and the arm wrestling scene. Where Mr See like essentially the arm wrestles Renzo and then punches. His face caves in his face. That's in there. The woodsmen of course like NATO and a Cell Whitman grant the convenience store lots of great stuff on this. I mean I could go on another two hours just talking. Yeah easy so tastic. So that stuff's great Highly recommended and of course we all ends up. You know we have with the final episode of the big cliffhanger from the return so we get to see you know like Cooper finally at the Palmer House. Doing the what year is this. We get to see you know. Sheryl these screams and apparently there were three of these that she did. You only used one but she did it three times so just very cool. If you remember if you remember that caused a phone calls to the Police Department yes that people you know. And they put out a the neighbors they had an article saying like something's being filmed here. I don't WanNa talk what it is but don't worry if you hear weird sounds and it was in anybody who knew anything about that. How do that it was okay? We're back for twin peaks and In on you know not to jump too far ahead but on ten with the interview with Con McLaughlin and Shirley Clint talked about. How phenomenal that screen is that she does that. He says he says even talking about it now puts the hair on my neck up. Well I mean that was one of the things when we were fortunate enough to meet. Sheryl Lee and Ray wise I as I was getting my autograph from Shirley. I'm just like we are in an. I'm speaking in the Pleura like you and I. We are in all of your screens. We've talked about them on our podcast and numerous. You know just that you know. You're she talked about. You know like how she has to prepare for it because you know. Otherwise she's going to blow out vocal cords. So it's a process which. I can totally understand considering. How an earthly these screams are and yet she says they. She's asked in the interview undestand started. Keep jumping ahead here. But she's asked like did they use one over and over again. She's like no. I just have to scream all the time. Yeah it's great. That was pretty funny. Yeah there's just so yeah there's that That talk with Comic Lachlan Shirley Ten. That's talking about an hour and a half so yeah and it's about lots of lots of good stuff and a lot of stupid stuff that got nerves in that interview so the the moderator for that one is Christy McKenna who's Lynch's biographer by apparent things these days so she asked him some questions but some really inane questions. I agree with you. She does some good questions and the thing that made me realize is I get kind of. I would rather watch something like behind the curtain. Then ask an actor directly about their process because I think you really realize in the views with release Shirley specifically income McLaughlin as well talk about their process for getting into a character or they have to do to prepare and it's also really very very personal and based on feeling all. It's all a mental process. There's no with Cheryl. It is especially with Cheryl. I mean it's I mean it's not like doing a lot of Jake Lamotta kind of stuff like well. I had gained sixty pounds for this one or I had lose thirty pounds for that. There wasn't any of that kind of stuff going on with this so the preparation was extremely personal and so the questions feel invasive. Sometimes the one thing that really bothered me that can asked was she compared Dale Cooper's chased nature with Palmer's sexual nature and about how how her sex life is kind of what gave her her problems right. Yeah and I was. I was really really happy that Shirley kind of just shut that shit down immediate right. Because she's like okay. Laura is seventeen and she is a victim of abuse. He's a victim of sexual abuse. She's not a sexually promiscuous girl abuse. And that's where her problems come from like her. Have sex with bobby and her having sex with James. That's that's what's causing her problems. Her being a hooker for drugs is her addiction is her addiction. And it's all stemming from the fact that she was abused and I really love early brought that up. She's like it's not that it's not that Laura is promiscuous. It's Laura is an abuse victim and you show that she definitely did. I least I got that vibe from Canada. Viewed Laura's a slut that got in trouble because of being a slut and that's not what had no and that's not what happened whatsoever. She got addicted to drugs because she was an abuse victim right the her her predecessor president for addiction is came out after she had been abused since she was twelve years old. So and I also didn't agree with she talked about agent Cooper Celibacy. Yeah and I don't feel lake not to see the in-cell yeah but I don't think Cooper was celebrate because of any conscious decision. I think Cooper had a traumatic experience. And then he got a new job in a town where he doesn't know anybody right and he and he has a job to do and then when he starts to get comfortable then he then he's able to find a girlfriend but when he first gets to twin peaks. I mean Audrey notwithstanding you know we're not going to talk about Audrey we're gonNA leave her out of it Who's going to Hook up within twin peaks right? Everybody's either married or too young for him or you know there wasn't any real like anybody like comparable that would have been a good match for Cooper. The only person anybody even thought was single with Josie and she was with the Harry share. Yeah yes now McLaughlin comic. Luckily he does you know. He's the one that does say you know to to McKenna's she's like he's like Cooper was focused on the job he basically like I had when when. When there's a case cooper just kind of doesn't it just pushes that stuff out of his mind as far as sex or women or anything He's just like I said he's got a job to do right. You know he's very task oriented. He's got a job to do. And that's what that's what he's going to do and I think. I thought that was strange. Comment that up that like you know. Here's the and it's almost like saying like Cooper has no problems. Cooper has loads of problems. Cooper's there's all kinds of stuff going on there but I as an interviewer. I was not particularly impressed but there were some there. Were some good things that were that were brought up and I think it was sort of the two of them talking about each other and they brought up at the beginning of the interview that they had never been interviewed together even though they are probably the two. Yeah the the. We're all these years that the two biggest stars from that show the the two core faces from that show that yeah. We're the central characters from that. Yes exactly exactly view never interviewed together now. There was one very in the matic comment. I want that Shirley said that I did want so it was a question. It was a question that so McKenna ask Ask Cheryl who carry pages? Ed Cheryl Kinda smiles coyly and she says quote. That question is asked from a place of a certain logical mind of the way we think life is which it might not be so vague. Response is vague. Yeah and you know it. Just yeah it kind of it kind of gives you like. That's kind of like one of Cheryl's answers her type of answer you know like hey not really clear. Cut Not like a simple direct response. It's more of a feeling of of a of an emotion or or just something. That's very ephemeral. I think right right and it kind of goes back when when I was talking to Scott on his podcast got Ryan on his Redmond podcast husker. Hope you're listening. Scott Cohen he-. We need to get him on our show which you can. We can get our crap together. But that's so hard for when we when there's no holidays or lady surgeries anyway Hashtag Hashtag Lady Surgery. So we're talking and I was. I was talking about the things that were you know things. I didn't like from the series and things I did like and he said well for me. None of it matters. Because I don't think any of this actually happened and I was like. Oh really now and because I never I never thought of that is the option because I feel like you know Lynch is GonNa present something. I never thought he'd present you with a with a nut thing. But it's a it's an interesting concept and it's almost sounds like Shirley is thinking the same thing I would be like what you're talking about Willis. Yeah I just you know. But there's a part of me that would love for something better to be going on with Audrey Horne I mean I think it's an unfinished story on hoping it's an unfinished story. I don't think it's I don't think it's ever going to be finished story and I think we all have to just deal. Yeah well there's the because we've talked about. That lynch loves an ongoing mystery. He doesn't want it to end. Yeah no I think if Lynch had had his way we would've never known who killed Palmer. I agree I think that was like ninety seven percent. Abc three percent mark but considering how it was presented. I'm glad we got it because it was phenomenal and it was. It was phenomenal. It was we had a wiring. Wise again rot Y. Y.'s does have an emmy for that episode. I know but right there with her wonder like a part of me wonders with David. Lynch's it like okay. Abc YOU WANNA kill her. Careful what you wish for. Because you're going to get the absolute worst outcome. You could awesome. Yeah I do get the feeling. It's kind of an f you to ABC. Yeah I think so too but yeah some of the other questions that I thought were a little strange was she asked what the mysterious whisper. When you whisper agent Cooper's ear at the end of that first episode and it's like okay. Well that's not a mystery anymore. We all know what that is. She's like what did you really say and I'm lake okay. First of all. So what because I mean it's acting it could have been like you know lunch together. I mean it could anything. What matters is how it was in the story. And Shirley says she doesn't remember and then McKenna's will would you tell us if you did like I probably I just really don't remember which I think is an interesting thing to remember when you're talking to actors a friend of mine? Who is something that happened like almost thirty years ago exactly? Yeah a friend of mine. Who's artist. His name is Georgia's John T. He did the buffy. The Vampire slayer commentary very familiar with his work. Great Artists Yeah at a convention. One time somebody asked him if he talked to own my gosh. What's her name? What's buff is name? What's her name? Sir? Michelle Gellar Jerry. Michelle Gellar yes. It's like do you ever do you ever talk with her. Do you ever work with her to shiver model for you or I forget exactly what this woman asked him and he was very gracious in his answer and he said we'll she's an actor and this is not her job anymore. This job is done for her. So you know still on this job drawing her but she's not doing this character anymore so as an actor this is done for her and and I was I was. I've respect him so much for so many reasons for that answer because it was a very gracious way of saying. Why would I be talking to somebody who doesn't do this job anymore? And that's the thing you have to remember for actors if somebody said to you like if somebody said to me an. I'm trying to think of thirty years ago. My job was babysitting. And if somebody asked me about something that. I did one night while I was babysitting right until yeah I couldn't tell you or even twenty years ago. You know when. I'm working at blockbuster during college or something twenty five years ago when I'm GonNa Blockbuster during college I couldn't remember that Friday when so and so came in and rented so I'm not going to remember that and west of the defining moments of my life. I'm not going to remember. I don't have. I did ICK memory. Okay sorry right exactly. I am not Marilu Henner. Thank you very much. And Sheryl Lee talks about how what she wasn't taught in any acting classes how to let go a characters so you have to kind of end. She said that to me when we met her and I were necklace. And she said she liked it and I was going to give it turns. She stopped me. She said I can't have lower that close to me. I've gotta be distanced from Laura and so I think that this sort of situation you know actors. They really do have fun. They're not like us. They're not watching twin. They're not binge-watching twin peaks every year. Like we are. They're not tearing part like we are because they did that already. They already immersed themselves into it. They already became the characters and now they have to let go so and I thought another thing Lisa. That was interesting was because it was her first time onscreen and WanNa set and things that her memories are feelings. They're not specifics. Which I thought was cool because she was asked about the Picnic seen filming the picnic scene. Like what kind of reaction did David Give you? And she's like. I don't remember the specific as I remember what it felt like to do that. Scene and I thought that was interesting and I think it's something that everybody really needs to remember when they're talking to actors. I mean these are these are not fans like. I'M NOT SAYING ACTORS AREN'T AREN'T LIKE FANS. Don't speak to them or anything. There's a wall between fans actors. I'm not saying that I'm just saying that as fans it's very safe for us to immerse ourselves in this because we are no matter how deep into it we get we are looking in the window and the actors were in the House and if they stay in there they they're staying in the house and they just they can't. They can't do that especially with a project like this. Yeah I think I think it also depends on the actor because for example like cow's responses to a lot of of Christie McKenna's questions especially some of them are inning questions like He he has the tendency like it's his personality to kind of brush off the kind of more mundane questions off with jokes. I notice he's he's he's a little more on the surface and a little more diplomatic where. Sara Lee is just a very deep in thoughtful person in general exactly so it's just us. Yeah Yeah She's going to give you a little bit more of a of a substantive answer now when you know like for one example like so she McCain asked Kyle Like you know something stupid like okay. What what is cooper running to and from in the Red Room and I'm presumably? Yes he yeah he makes this joke like the next coffee which is clever so clever response and because what's going on is he's running because David says right run from here to here right and it happened thirty years ago. I have no idea what I was thinking at the time. Yeah what are you re? I don't remember exactly what Lynch told me. David Lynch says run here run here and then laughed and then run here. I mean these are questions that I think are better asked of David Lynch or Mark Frost. Whoever wrote that Cooper runs from one room to the other and so I I think there are there we have a tendency is fans to WANNA know to want answers and as David Lynch Fan. I think you just have to get used to not having those answers this. They're just not they're just not going to be there. I mean that's just the thing I think that's very great statement. You should probably end on that because this is such a fantastic statement sums up you know. It's twin peaks and how fans should approach it. I think because there are those with every every the whole idea of fandom at least until recent years when it became so toxic. Was that that you know that you geeked out over so that you were enthusiastic you wanted to like. I WANNA learn everything possible about this show or whatever movie what have you and I wanna Mersad myself in this world I wanNA know about all these actors and characters and mythos and whatnot and so if it if whatever reason the TV show. The movie doesn't present that you kind of this is where you know. Sometimes you come up with your own head cannon because you WanNa try to explain the the little gaps and so right you so you want to know everything like you said you know and and to the point where there especially with twin peaks. There may not be explanations for everything and they're probably aren't giving twin peaks Or or the explanation sure given aren't satisfying completely to you right. And that's the thing like you said with Phantom being so talk sick these days now it's people feel entitled Right. Well people feel entitled not just to not just to a certain type of thing but the n that is satisfying to them. Royal like you and I just said let's watch for example. You and I just said that we both really liked it. But it it it ends in a cliffhanger. I mean spoiler alert in ends on a cliffhanger and it's open in some people and I wonder Charles. I wonder if you and I like it. Because we're we're used. We spent less thirty years in twin peaks. And we're like no. What are we going on there? Aw Who's this baby special appearance by Keiko plainly? This is my daughter. Aussie Oh my goodness this big follows love big fluff ball. Little tabby fluff ball baby. Look dead the often. That would be eaten alive if I had if I tried to eighties candy. I wonder if my cats can hear my cats what what's going on. There are no threat. Is there another damn cat in here? Another cat in his damn house. What the heck happened here all right. So now that our conversation's been totally been derailed by me. Sorry everybody well. The Internet is nothing but cats Charles. Exactly it's all cap means so. Yeah Yeah so. This should get us really good. You know Downloads right. Because there's this cat there's a cannon involved so yeah there you go everybody. Six billion people nothing but cats all right anything else about this. I know we've covered two episodes of this and we haven't even really scratched the surface. No My my thing is definitely this definitely worth your time. If you haven't bought the other sets definitely get this one so you can just get it all at once like we said if you gotTa Make Shelf space you can with the two BLU ray sets but keep your gold box exactly but definitely get this because behind the curtain is so worth it. I mean well behind the curtain on the couch with candy and Harry are amazing. I mean Kimmy and Harry are now. I have a list of people in my head who have played couples in movies or TV. Who I think in real life right and like one of them being a J. K. Simmons and Allison Janney. I think should be a couple in real life. Perfect together Now I think that can Harry needed a couple in real life too. I think they're they're super durable. Either that or they don't they just need to live next door to each other and like hang out in the garden every day and then I can house behind them and just come over every once in a while so or they at least the their own. Sitcom or something that we need to India. Lucy spin that was that was. That was another thing. Khanaqin mentioned the spin off of of Albert Albert. I'm like damn it. Why didn't that? It's like such a lost opportunity right. I know and it could have been coupe. And Albert both of their first year at the at the Bureau Philadelphia Elsia their first year together in Philadelphia. And like you know maybe like Phillip Jeffries up once in a while or something but yeah I don't think Zan froze up on. Its guys okay. Everybody we'RE BACK FROM OUR LATEST FUND. Skype itchiness because we went to the black lodge there for a minute. Don't do minus. We're just like floating heads and avoid. Yeah that's all seems like extra cheese. Today that's worrying me. It's me wonder if we're GONNA get another snowstorm like you guys know we were in Ohio and it February figure all right so yeah so presumably. This is like a little like nature's way of saying hey get off the podcast already so okay shut up. You guys shut already. So all right so rating ever rating for the set for this. I'm going to give this eight out of ten resonance Tandy's okay all right. What did you do that for just out of curiosity? I deducted one point for its recycling nature of just basically throwing new labels on old discs right and then I deducted a point once again not including everything not including everything that was on the gold box that kind of stuff and you know what the it's not a whole point but there's a deduction for like I said getting it together enough to put all these still photos and photo galleries but not putting out a coffee table book right. You know so. It's still but you know that would make the you know what that does is that puts my other sets ratings for the other sets down a little further. Because why would you buy the other sets if there's this thing so so so my rating? I'm a little higher than you but I did deduct of at least a point because of the ridiculous packaging? Let's see I love the packaging. I hate the package because it's so inefficient as far as storage goes. That's because you almost broke yours trying to open but that right there should tell you something right. It's got to be user friendly right so I will say now as a standalone. If you didn't have everything else this is awesome because it has so much stuff in it but like you said it's not complete. It's still not complete everything that you want. It's easy to be. Yeah pretty much or at least the Yeah Z. To be minus. I don't know yeah. That's a good one zero minus all right so I'm GONNA give it. I WANNA say nine of a little more generous than you because it does have a lot. I give it nine. Oversized Packaging Cubes Nice. I like that. That's a good one all right so We've been going on too long so I don't think we really have time to go over more Nixon questions. We might have to save those for another time. Oh Yeah we'll do that for another time. I sure now I want to give this major attention. So we're not quite sure where we're going to talk about next time unless you have some ideas you WanNa talk about. Next time I go switch talking about David Lynch. Let's talk about David Lynch's short film then. We'll continue with our and then we'll continue with our commentary. Okay that's worked. Okay all right so you WanNa you WanNa do the short film. You know The you know about Jack the Monkey Jack the Monkey Jack the Monkey. And then what you WANNA do You know you got to check the moon. Go back to the return part ten. I'm presuming. Yeah baby so. Lauren is the one so we'll go ahead and we'll talk about that next time so we had a little episode. Diversion divergence whatever you WANNA call it. So that's what we'll do next time we'll talk about Laura's the One Aka Return Parton and Zan. Where can they find? Well I didn't he get any feedback so if you want to write to US Yeah Plan. You share your thoughts. If you've got the twin peaks Zita set. What are your thoughts about it? You've heard us for like two episodes so we want to hear yours. So trump's align at ghost would cast on twitter. Ghost what podcast at gmail.com g mail and Matt. The G mail and ghost with twin peaks. Podcast OF COURSE ON FACEBOOK. Please like and follow us there. We've definitely appreciate it and and hope you tell your friends about us San with each you. I'm on facebook as ZAN sprouse. And I'm on the does and the twitter's as Odin Acts Nineteen. Nice and I'm probably extremely bored next week. It during my recuperation period so I'll probably be posted a bunch of silly crap so it's a free to come hang out with me. Virtually Lotta Charles. What about you ship posts? Essentially twin peaks simpsons should postal baby. Yoda thrown in there. There you go. Oh I didn't tell you. What the Babu Frick funke figure. There's Oh there's Babu Freak. Hey Hey nice very excited about that. That is cool. All right as for me. Charles Charles Actress gags on twitter. Ashtros gigs on Instagram facebook. Of course Charles skaggs Hilliard Ohio and my blog geeky things. Oh coffee in hot. We're talking about all the stuff we talk about here on. Ghost with your twin peaks your kinds of Comic Book sci-fi News other PODCASTS. Do for southgate media including Titan. Talk the titans. Podcast they do a Jesse Jackson. That's kind of on hiatus right now but we'll be coming back later this summer hopefully for doom patrol season. Two you have to have now. 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