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Episode 13: Break Out of the Box! Do Better Online Presentations with guest Robert Kennedy III (RK3)

Get Out There and Get Known Podcast

26:59 min | 6 months ago

Episode 13: Break Out of the Box! Do Better Online Presentations with guest Robert Kennedy III (RK3)

"Welcome to the get out there and get known podcast. Join pound perry veteran. Pr strategist the award. Winning producer and publisher of speakers magazine who will show you how to crack the code and getting out there to get know each week. She either enter news media friends. Pr colleagues or she just go solo offering these strategies on publicity publishing platform building. So listen up to hear how to get booked media places and on superstar stages. Now here's your host pam perry ryan. Hey welcome everyone. Welcome to get out there and get known podcast and you hear that either you she go solo or she brings on her friends so today i have a guest. A friend robert kennedy third. Yes that's his real name. Robert kennedy the third. And i met him on one of my favorite platforms. Robert linked did and we are mutual friends of black speakers network. And so i saw what he was doing the wonderful work that he was doing on linked in i kind of stock them and follow him and then i was like i need to have you on my podcasts. So here we are today. So let me give you the formal bile of robert kennedy that third right so robert kennedy that there are arcade. Three is a keynote speaker trainer and president of connecticut communications. With case all right. He's he's different like that. A communications training company. Robert works with leaders. Who need to connect more effectively with their teams through business storytelling and deliver critical message with confidence. Which is our topic today how to speak with confidence. His clients include large organizations like. Aarp one of my favorite barnes and noble one. Another one of my favorite and johnson and johnson. He's been featured on fox forty five. Cw thrive global and other media outlets including speakers magazine which he was in theory. Was he's right. There must see. Let me pull you closer. Various he was in the issue of june and he wrote robert. Thanks for joining us. He wrote an article on how to stand out as speakers post pandemic. And it's like okay. This is a thing we're gonna be living with as a while. So what's our plan. And he wrote on that. It's actually you can go to speakers magazine dot in read it but he talks about there is always a simple answer to business sustainability. And that is you go read that. That's a whole nother conversation for another day today. We're gonna talk about speaking with confidence so first of all robert when say. How did you get into this work. So people were just fell in i. I don't know if i was on the street or somewhere. And i saw this need career opportunity in it said. Hey robert come on in. And i went to the door. It didn't happen like that. It was just a progression of things. I spent ten years as a teacher. And after i left the classroom i started a training company. I started actually the companies was. We were building online courses. Were building a learning for corporations. And then that morphed into training companies on how to to develop their learning platforms and after a while we recognize what we were doing was not just telling them about slides and how to put stuff online but it was about how to communicate information effectively especially on boarding. Hr training information to your employees in a virtual environment. And so that kind of morphed into okay. How do you communicate more effectively. And so that that continuum just kind of led me to the place where we are now Keynote speaking doing workshops breakouts building courses online helping people with storytelling and confidence. What was your what was your main subject because you were teaching. I was a physics biology teacher. Okay all right and what grades. What grades so my first year was seventh grade. And then i taught high school ninth twelfth grade for for seven years that i was two years as an online faculty for A university out west. And the reason why i ask that because i find that those who have been teachers and especially in junior high interest in the primary primary education. Those have been those type of teachers. Do the best in online worlds. Because you have to have a certain type of Style or you have to get the attention of a fourteen fifteen year old and they're not trying to hear anything about biology and physics. So you've gotta make an entertaining. If you wanna make your life easier and you have a and i find that teachers just have way planning or a structure that makes it really easy for you to have gone into this realm. I really see that in so keynote. Speaking because you're speaking in front of a classroom so you use those. You made the pivot. I guess you say from teaching online courses online trainee e-learning which was a big thing. What it people learn about maybe ten years ago but now it's like everybody does that but the thing that i wanna say. Is you have a gift or a savviness or a knack for technology or is it just a passionate or is it. Just a hobby. What is it you love this stuff. I see your background a senior. Might as seen as you do your stuff like he loves this stuff. I bet you your background was made an annual visual or something a. b. No it's it's it's a photography backdrop. It's i mean there's a thi this is the literal monitor know. It's just different things that i've put together. I mean i love technology. I i think there is a passion behind it My wife says i like to spend money on. It could be a black hole. I'm telling you because they come out with nukes all the time. Yup apple just released their new computers. And i'm kinda like see all right. You know you know so you'd love that stuff but it happens where it works for you and you train on that. Yeah yeah well. I mean especially in this season. It worked really well because come march when we went on lockdown Like a lot of other speakers there was a swing you know thousands of dollars ten twenty thousand dollars kind of swing because now keynotes cancelled training. Gigs are cancelled or rescheduled. They're like well. I don't know we don't. We're not sure if we can do this. Virtually because we're not gonna get the same engagement or connection with people. And i'm like a week we can do this week. We can do something so it's switches from just delivering content. Now saying hey here is how you create a virtual experience. Here's how you take this from just delivering information online or just throwing up some slides and having a mike online to creating something that is for people that is memorable that they're having fun. They're like ooh. This is just the same almost better than being in person for certain things right and so organizations now needs to know that because we been at home. They been online since march. And everybody's like oh my gosh. I'm zoomed out. I'm totally zoomed out. Okay how do we have. How do we help you create not another zoom meeting right. I'd be less so listen for me. So question so communicating with confidence. I have a client that Basically because of. Kobe had all of her in person trainings cancelled. She's older my older. She's a baby boomer. I won't say owner. It's us the baby boomer. Not really use it technology. She was used to speaking in front of people doing trainings. So tens of thousands of dollars just went out the door and she had to learn how to communicate that. Same information with competence. Using these microphones filters this justice zone. Not just slides. How do you train or coach or help speakers who are used to being face to face now. They have to do this whole thing online. Would and and how do you get an head so that. They're not afraid because what she was. She was eight freight of The technology so she couldn't come across as competent as normally she wouldn't per cent. So that's the scenario would be say one of the big things and one of the big mistakes. I have this conversation with a friend of mine online. Maybe about a of hours ago and one of the big mistakes that we make as business owners as entrepreneurs as speakers is really trying to do so much on our own by ourselves when things change when things shift we we feel like something was taken away from us or now. We've got to learn this new thing and yeah you kinda do have to adjust a bit but you don't have to do it alone so especially for speakers that are used to being in the classroom. Maybe you've been doing it. The certain way for twenty years twenty five years. Don't try to learn all of the technology right now right. Don't try to learn every update the zoom has and webex and gotomeeting and stream yard and restrained. And you're trying to you like oh my gosh. I'm totally overwhelmed out. How about oh bs. Oh yeah oh b. s. e. cam. You don't i mean they're the window listen. There aren't kids. There are people that can help you navigate certain things i mean even me as somebody who's very comfortable with technology and i can do a whole lot on my own when i'm doing workshops or trainings. Virtually i have a producer with me. Ask somebody come that handle summit some of the back end things they if we're on zoom. They handle the breakout rooms. They handle the stuff in the chat. They let people in because my tease while it's technology while i can do that. My expertise is delivering the content. That's where that's where. I shine so the thing that you then as a speaker as a trainer needs to learn is not the technology. It's the the frameworks for how to engage people online. What are the things that i can do that. I can take from my physical environment and now translate to the online environment to make sure that people are connected and are lockstep with me in the information that i'm trying to transmit i love that that is makes good sense so i want to say talk about connecting. I see rodney ciba's on as well. Hey on linked in and i see germain stanley. Hey how are you. I think they're in your area robber. the micro dc. Baltimore what i call the mid atlantic area and up one of the main things. Sue is a producer so robert. Okay so this person is a trainer. How did they find a producer. Is that what you do. I i can. And i do sometimes my my my career. My business is not the producer. I do several things. I do delivery training for organizations. But i do coach other speakers especially now who are trying to navigate this world so i might start out with them by saying what. Let me help you do this event. Let's walk through the frameworks. Let's figure out what you need because some of it is the producer for the day of event but some of it is also. Hey how do you look professional on your your video. How do you look like like an expert on your livestreams. Because if i'm coming in. And you're saying i'm gonna teach you guys something and they're looking up your nose because your your computer laptop is like down here on your desk and and there's a window behind you and the sun is shining and you look like you're looking like the undertaker this this inclement robber one time did an entire podcast with my dislike this not knowing i could move the camera back right. It's like ooh head cut off right. It's you know things like okay you. we're on screens. And you're kinda like in this little box right but one of the things that connects people to you is your body language and your hands and the things that you do when you're in person so can you set yourself up in such a way that when you are online you know. Am i too close to the camera. Can they see my hands. Can they see my passion and my energy right. Can they see my facial expressions because my lighting is in the correct place or that. I believe somebody and buy a ring light and put it like right here. And they're seen circles in my face right glasses. Yeah if you wear glasses we'll see the little circle in the is that's true right right so so some of those are the things that i that i coach. Speakers online virtual presenters through helping them to figure out how to navigate that world. and then y- i definitely can connect them with people who can do the production and the things for them and that will give them confidence knowing that and have the right lighting the right equipment. That things won't break making sure that internet speed is correct. Or i just saw a another client on juanita rasmusen. What she's been doing a lot of tv interviews the zoom you know so you have to have the right internet speed. But her background was pristine. It was branding her book her book. A quick little sow doubt was a called learning to be is happened to have a year and she had a big poster in the background wasn't a background. She had a big poster of it. She had flowers. She had the right lighting in. It's almost like she had to be like a tv producer in order to to to look well on television. Cbs abc cbs. You know all of that but out but knowing that you don't have to do it alone. I think just free to a lot of speakers because now they feel like you know what. Let me. just call robert kennedy miss name. Remember right okay. Especially when lake me Maybe robert kennedy and then and then also know that you don't have to do it alone that you can find someone to coach you through the look all that. They know their content. They just don't know the technology and we're going to be stuck for awhile. I'm pretty sure we're going to do in this probably for exciting year another year speaking in a box. So how do we get out of the box. So you kind of said a little bit of it. But if i were to other than going into the rooms what other kind of things can someone due to give it more of a disaster. She was saying. Give them really. The the confidence to charge The thousands of dollars they did when they were in person. so what. What are some tips that you can kinda give us their what you got to get familiar with some of the different tools. So here's where my teacher background comes in right as a teacher. I didn't stand in front of the classroom the entire time and lecture right. There were things that i did. We had smart boards we i. I was a physics teacher. So i went out into the hallway. We had these wheels. We had the kids putting tape on the ground and measuring stuff in doing races with little cars and stuff like that right because that was the were different learners in the classroom and as a teacher you know about kinesthetic auditory visual learners and some of the different modalities don't exist online. So as a virtual presenter how do i approach some of those different modalities the that learned by touching stuff by doing stuff. How how do i. How do i teach them the people that learn by hearing stuff how do i. How do i deal with them right. The people that learn by seeing stuff. So i'm doing things that are intentionally attracting or addressing those different modalities so i'll give quick example. I did a workshop for a company and it was like. Cfo's big you know they were just kinda like left brain folk and people were saying. These are logical. They're very detailed. They're structured and i'm doing this activity. Here's here's robert doing an activity. That says listen. I want you to go somewhere in your room and has got to be something. That's out of arms reach and pick up something that's meaningful to you and come back to your group and share with them. What would it meets. Why it's meaningful so you're on zoom but now you gotta get up you gotta move. You gotta come back. And you're literally experiencing your space and you're finding something and you gotta come back on. Share something from the heart. You gotta be vulnerable. You've got to create transparency in connection with that so we've combined a bunch of stuff in that one different activity. I didn't have to stand there lecturing. time i didn't have to be in my square the entire time i let them do some of the work as online participants. I love that you know what i never that. That seems bran to me right. Now that i can get up and and do something that they may not expect. I could stay. It's like we feel like we're stuck to the box. Where do to the little cubicle in this box. But you told them get up into li. It's okay and back and move and that's what we miss about the live events so we were stuck in the box. Now i was. You can't do for the interview but for a seminar a webinar. Whatever we're calling these things that that's part the. I love that. That's miserable the gift. That is what you have to really make that transition. So let's talk a little bit about Death by powerpoint. Okay boy so you know those that are teachers in lake to put together all these things. They know that they can put in a lot of information. A slice of ood Great this deck is thirty two pages in this like okay. You have just killed your audience so explain to people when they're going to use slides in presentations to not hide behind those powerpoint. What what should it really be four because right the word is point is just to create joint not a whole entire novel so give us some tips on how you that your your assets are supportive of your content right and so the fade that win. That's tweeter your assets are support for your content right. The powerpoint is not the star of the show right so the powerpoint is this thing and and hit one of the rules. That i have is listened even if i have a powerpoint is not going to be on screen the entire time right. I stopped sharing something. Depending on what the platform is. I stopped sharing so that i can visually make connection with the audience at the beginning in the middle. I'll stop and one of the things that we need to be able to do online as well is plan times where you will stop for engagement. Don't plan on talking the entire thirty minutes if you've got a thirty minute slot stop eight minutes in and say hey. What do you think about this. Put this in the chat type. This chat hide the powerpoint. And then start talking to people call their name. I'm glad you answered that pam. That was so amazing oliver. Hey listen i'm so glad you juanita. that's listened. That's that's powerful. So now you're making these engagements you're making engagement that you're making these connections right so and and the powerpoint is not in the way anymore. The second thing that i would say is a lotta times. You talk about death by powerpoint right and people have all these texts. i mean. honestly the your your your job as a presenter as a facilitator to share story online when i say a story i don't necessarily mean once upon a time but i mean talking about a journey that you take them on. And how do you use powerpoint or how do you use online visual assets or slide shows to create that. Use imagery us us. I love using large images with one. St one clear statement on it so they can see and they make a connection between. What's on the image. And what's on the text right because they support each other. I'm not just putting the blue background. I'm putting if i made a statement that we need to. We need to watch out for our health right. I'm gonna have a big image of a smoothie in the background or somebody doing something that relates to the information that i'm sharing so i mean there's just a lot is there are used instead of powerpoint sometimes but there's a tool called presi video which allows you to overlay over you or have the slides kind of to the side and you can kinda pull him back and forth and so you have that interaction with a long time. I'm a pull back backup. I haven't haven't done that and go checkout presence video because video allows you to connect with zoom. It allows you to connect with video conferencing software. So that you can. You can go back and forth. And it's it's how. I don't know if i can say on your show but is sexy. I decided right now. I haven't done president in a long time but they have come up. They have absolutely okay. Okay or robert. We just have a few more minutes but i just want to tell you. Thank you for that. You do the people that you serve of. You've done a lot of things with black speakers network as well. You wrote for speakers magazine. You are consistent. And i appreciate that about you. What would you say is the one tip. You wanna leave with our listeners. Interviewers over linked in in Periscope and youtube. That can really help them. Prepare for the next phase so that they can be confident because this season was really kind of anxious for a lot of people not knowing what was going on. So what is the main thing that that someone should do really competent to one to ask for the fees that they that they deserve and then also to to show up in china online while that show up in shine so i'll lean into the word confidence and i don't define confidence as a state of being. I don't believe that confidence is the switch that you flip on and off in that. Oh some people are naturally more confident and others aren't confidence is repetition. And so you've got to be willing to take step and do it and then do it again and then do it again. You might not always feel like it's going to work. You might not always feel like you're accomplishing. Your might not always feel like you're clear on it but take that step and then take the next one and then do it again and keep doing it over time. Your confidence will evolve. Your confidence will grow and then one day you're going to look back and say wow i'm not wear used to be an i feel better about that so yeah so there's no quick like oh we're going to get this done in two days and you're going to be the expert or such and such in thirty days That that is something that A mature personnels at the every member reading missy copeland's boca. She talked that about really brits practicing. She's a ballerina class ballerina and she didn't start like that. I mean she had a gift but it does take practice and repetition on that that is so key because the more you're familiar with it. Even when people are pitching media. I said the more you pitch yourself to the media the more cabinet you will be with it you know when you get a hit what worked and you keep doing that over and over again because so oak book on the media by doing that so you keep doing that over and over again and you'll be more confident with it then you grow and grow bigger so thank you robert half people get in touch with you because i know there are some people that need your assistance in terms of really showing up shining online so maybe jim are make it easy. I'm robert kennedy three dot com as my speaker website. You can connect with me on all social media as robert kennedy three lincoln. Facebook twitter Instagram i on tiktok yet. Don't get it. it's a black hole. I'll tell you again like three in the morning. I'm still watching. All these tic tac trying to do in my daughter tells me down to the tic tac. My i've done. Some tiktok consist tiktok. I said i'm gonna do to take back the way i won't do it. Okay all right thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. I you were fabulous. And i wanted to the right for speakers magazine again too. So think of something you can do for twenty twenty one force. Okay alrighty sounds good right. You've been listening to the get out there and get known. Podcast brought to you by pam. Perry p. r. dot com. You'll get insider tips. On how to build your platform pitch the media and promote yourself with confidence head over japan perry pr dot com and get the exclusive video trading the seven must-have marketing materials. Before you pitch to be considered immediate places superstar staged pam perry pr dot com. Will you help me shy like.

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The Conspiracy Farm Ep.107 RFK's Killer is Dead.

The Conspiracy Farm

1:03:23 hr | 1 year ago

The Conspiracy Farm Ep.107 RFK's Killer is Dead.

"Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the conspiracy far where we don't start to conspiracies. We just had the water in now your host of the most state of the art Malkin Moldavian four five cast on the inter-web I present to you that militate ladies and gentlemen What's up gang same as our by doing doing well? I know I'm chiming in little late but that's all right I along day today but I should on my mind that I definitely wanted to come home and speak on a little bit and maybe people can just catch hatchet tomorrow or the next day or the next day. That's the beautiful thing about the inter-web stays around for awhile. How's everybody doing man ten? Oh seven right here central time September twelfth heretofore tired of our Lord to toews in Nineteen underthrown solo tonight man Patrick is What did he say he was Colorado? Maybe but crazy news man access TV whom PAT works for access. TV Fights Dude Patrick they were bought. They were bought by a Canadian company access. TV was bought by a Canadian company here here within the last week so I believe this will be their last broadcast on access TV fights Patrick in the whole all crew. This is gonna be their last their last broadcast because the company was bought no longer owned by Mark Cuban crazy shit it but you know pat militant just pat militants. He's a very handicapped daddy very talented cat and I'm sure what that no time. Opportunities will be knocking on his door but yeah as it is right now access. TV has been bought by. I forget the name of the company company but the purpose of this particular video is to get some shit off my chest that you you know has bothered me. All of the assassinations in the nineteen sixties bothered me. You know what I mean. I co host conspiracy farm. We got get all into this but yesterday happened to mark the eighteenth anniversary as we know of nine eleven which is terrible in and in of itself but come to find out today that also excuse me thing huge gene Caesar died yesterday and not a lot of people know who this cat is or was as it were Mr Eugene Caesar so you gotTa take us back to nineteen sixty eight senator Robert F Kennedy had just won the California primary and he was in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles California and one of his final words publicly. You know it's on Chicago and and let's win there in he was taken into the back into the kitchen. Walk through the Pantry area. Excuse me in the Ambassador Hotel's kitchen and there is he he walked essentially into a sniper's sniper but you know assassins nest just a few will you had a couple of individuals firing weapons. You had Sirhan Sirhan who unloaded his this I think six or seven shot revolver and hitting none of those shots as well say none of them but anyway he he was one convicted for the death of Robert Kennedy but the individual who actually I mean I guess maybe in concert with Sirhan Sirhan who who never was arrested or never questioned was a gentleman by the name of thane Eugene Caesar. He was the security guard who was standing behind Robert Kennedy when he was shot in. I don't WANNA speak at a turn. I'm not sure exactly if any of the this shots from Sir Hans Gun hit Robert Kennedy so it went like this I can do this. Robert Kennedy is coming coming from from this direction into the kitchen right. He's walking into the kitchen. Sir Han comes from this way shoots his gun and what's his name Rosie greer big football player grabs. The gun puts their in a kitchen area so there's like a pantry entry table so Sir Hans walking this way. I'm sorry Robert Kennedy's walking this way. Sir Hand comes in unloads his six shot revolver boom boom boom boom boom boom boom right this direction right forensic and ballistic is very important in this case he unloads loads his six shot revolvers seven shot revolver and I'm not sure how many of those shots hit Robert Kennedy. Some of them hit his chest stomach. I'm not exactly sure but according to the autopsy performed on Robert Kennedy the shot that actually killed him again Robert Kennedy's this way the shots that actually kill him come from this direction action according to the autopsy into the forensics. The shots that killed Robert Kennedy were literally right here between in two in three inches. This would have been the gun the other shots from Sir hand. We're coming this direction but according to the autopsy the shots were fired that killed him were about two inches from behind his right ear. The Complete Opposite Direction Direction of Sir Hans Bullets and that one always bug me out dude because that is like with J. K. one they liked it so much with the autopsy and the numbers flubbed the science and all this other stuff the magic bullet etc but the Robert Kennedy one is like no no. We're going to tell them that the shot that killed him was fired from two inches behind his right ear because of gun powder burns on his haired Cetera great tier right this side hi this side but Sir Hin was coming from this direction so the guy who did fire those fatal shots behind his ear was the guy I think Eugene Caesar is his name was his name and he died yesterday on September the eleventh and I know people don't like to be read two but if you don't mind just a brief reading from Robert Kennedy Jr. Robert Kennedy Son said this yesterday upon learning of Eugene Things Caesar's death. This is from Robert Kennedy Jr. posted on his instagram. They knew Gene Caesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Caesar murdered my my father on June Fifth Nineteen Sixty eight Caesar and employees in a classified section of Lockheed's Burbank facility was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. Oh tell he had landed the job about one week earlier. Seize your waited in the pantry. As my father spoken the ballroom then grab my father by the elbow and guided him towards Sir Hint with seventy seven people in the pantry. Every witness said Sirhan was always in front of my father at three to six feet distance sir hand fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled from under the dog piles and emptied his eight chamber revolver. I'm sorry firing six shots in the opposite direction five of them striking a bystander in one going wild by his own account Caesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun undrawn when my dad fell backwards on top of them sees a repeatedly changes story about exactly when he drew his weapon according to the Coroner Dr Thomas New Gucci Very Famous forensic pathologist in Los Angeles all four shots that struck my father were contact shots from behind my dad with a barrel touching or neil elite touching his body Caesar sold his twenty two caliber weapon to a CO worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime Caesar lied to him that had been started. Caesar lied to police claiming that he disposed of a gun months before the assassination Caesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys these further advocacy of civil rights for blacks. I had plans to meet Thane Eugene Caesar in the Philippines last June until he demanded a payment of twenty five thousand dollars through his is agent. Dan Mold Daya Holy Shit Dan will dare ironically moldy appended meticulous and compelling indictment of Caesar in a nineteen ninety five book and then suddenly exculpated exculpated him by Fiat in Bizarre Nonsensical Final Chapter Police have never seriously investigated seasonal in my father's killing this ladies and gentlemen was the words of Robert F Kennedy Jr. Robert Kennedy's father upon learning of the death of you Jane. They need Jane Caesar and this is the guy who everybody knows is the one who actually killed and responsible for the shots that killed Robert Kennedy who's running for president in nineteen sixty eight. These are really some of the I really really public statements. Robert Kennedy has made in this manner completely questioning the official story story. which is you know Sirhan Sirhan who's serving time in prison for the death of Robert Kennedy's the one who was responsible people and we can get into who was and how you know that's that's worth talking up but at the end of the day I always found this very poignant as relates to this story the forensics right and when you see where Herb Robert Kennedy was in in respect to Sirhan Sirhan like just the bullets just didn't make any sense sir coming here or I'm sorry Robert Kennedy's fucking me? Robert Kennedy's coming from here so coming from here in this is where this is where Sir Hans shoots from but the shot that kills Robert Kennedy is from aw behind his right ear. I mean that Bates the fuck interestingly to me that just makes it so obviously a you know. A fairly certain didn't do what the fuck they said he did so anyway. That's what this video man. Go check that out and I know I know it's been however many years and nobody gives a fucking more. I understand but this was something that always bothered me. In addition to the John Kennedy assassination Robert Kennedy one was just so much more fucking fucking blatant out he wanted to end the warned Vietnam Etcetera Etcetera Kennedy's just didn't stand a chance in sixty okay so check that out ban in that you know no no rest in peace for this motherfucker man thing Eugene Caesar thane Eugene Caesar the real culprit in the real assassin of Robert Francis Kennedy on June fifth nineteen eighteen sixty eight in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles right after he won the California primary I needed he just the physical evidence is right there. It's so much more less convoluted than the JFK one the JFK. You got what weapon did what was it a Carcano. Was it a milder uh or does magic bullet come from how many shooters this one is a lot more cut and dry simply because of the public information that was rendered by Thomas Noguchi. Who did the autopsy who said the shots didn't come from the shots that killed Kennedy didn't come from the front where Sirhan was and if you get into like how it all played out like the guy soon as you start shooting the grabbed his gun and pointed another direction completely totally away from Robert Kennedy and then when they said in the autopsy report that he was killed from his shot right here literally three inches not I'm not just pointing where it was? This is literally the proximity of the weapon on Robert Kennedy's head boom right behind his ear and this is what the autopsy report shows so this is the guy who did it. Man Just died yesterday they in Eugene Caesar died in the Philippines pins yesterday September the eleventh of all days right but just a little piece of history man that's been lost and will probably continue to be lost because here we are today. After September eleventh and more history's being lost like Graham Hayek said we're where civilization with Amnesia by design of course so anyway. I didn't want to ramble too who long but you Jane Eugene Stain Eugene Caesar died yesterday and that is the gentleman who was standing right behind Robert Kennedy when everything went down in the ballroom hydrogen hired as a security guard at the last second all kinds of it Super Super Shady and I'm not even going to get into the inside baseball on it information is there. There's a lot of public so everyone go check it out for themselves but anyway right. He's so much love got some cool stuff coming up on the conspiracy farm. That's all I can really say right now. Some really cool stuff some cool guests very interesting information as always but hope. Everybody's doing well he lane mold or how we doing. I don't know who was actually on here. Who says it's joined him killing woods Tim Kelly what's up? What's up Daniel? What's up Jeff? What's up uncle Danny? What's up Kelly? It's up Sherri. What's up Anita Monti? I just wanted to get some of this off my chest because this guy just died right and it's always bothered me. You know thing this Sir Hans Sir Hans sitting in a prison has for the last however many decades just you know he he clearly participated but find out who her hand was in who was controlling him and then you know Eugene Caesar obviously just get off then when you look at the evidence the physical evidence silence of how you know the the forensic pathologist said Robert Kennedy died was at shot right behind his ear or the other the right ear. How's that possible when you're killers in front interview shooting from in front of you? How are you dying from a bullet behind your right ear? It's worth checking out you know what in Lane Muller. I'm not sure if you're here elaine you are still elaine this good friend of mine. He May Lane Muller's Chiming in right now. Oh and you may not remember this Elaine. We took a speech class together in college and I spoke on this very subject Robert Kennedy's assassination Asian yeah that's right. I was going hard even however many years ago that was planning planning but yeah it just confounds the brain man and you know why I you know I come to understand why these things happen now. As I got older but mainstream society side he still thinks it's the old Sirhan Sirhan Oh boy sits in jail and he just got stabs or and starting recently got stabbed in jail thousand about in seeing your lives a beautiful thing so yeah man yesterday Dane in Eugene Caesar met his demise he lived significantly longer life than what Robert Kennedy did did and he's the one if you wonder why I'm doing this video on your catching jumping in late. They knew gene Caesar's the security guard that was standing behind Robert Kennedy dance responsible for the shot that was fired hoops behind his right ear that killed them sensitive affairs. This is an organiz hit. You know just couldn't have that could never another Kennedy in office. Man People who speak truth are all too often a threat to those who crave power and power has to be spoken to often times at great risked oneself people like S. M. Holland Lee bowers Gene Hill Willie O'Keefe. They've all taken that risk. They've all come forward. That's a quote from JFK The in seen JFK the closing statements we have a great JFK episode coming up actually in November number but anyway. I'm sorry I'm rambling didn't WanNa do that but yeah you Jane Dane Eugene Caesar. I always call them Eugene. I've never heard of the stuff but apparently Gene Caesar's name in like I just read a little bit ago Robert Kennedy Jr. Robert Kennedy's son knows that this is the guy responded we everybody knows but the official story does not reflect that like a great many of assassinations but he died. I just peacefully in the Philippines one of the few assassin that they ah usually they get rid of the assassins Lee Harvey but now he got his ass over the Philippines chill out for the next time for armony you know fifty years Liu denies long healthy life like I said much longer than Robert Kennedy but if had fascinates you at all like it does mean look it up and you just see how they just blatantly. I wish I remembered you. Don't remember Elaine when I did the freaking case beat. How could you not only freaking twenty plus years ago? I forget I forget who are teacher was some black dude Mr Curtis. I WANNA say Mr Curtis now. That's that's right. Holy Shit it. My brain's actually working but some black dude. It was a night class was a night class. We used to take it was through Scott Community College but it was at our old high school. I know I'm digressing but somebody's online here that I actually gave the speech in college mainly years ago on the assassination Robert Kennedy how does absolutely fucking absurd. It was good even bothered me back then you are good. I don't know if it was Mr Curtis. Curtis don't quote me on that lady but by but anyways I'm gonNA slide another long day tomorrow. Just figure I'd drop a little hammer here. Get some shit off my chest and be we'll check it out man and I'm not just talking silly buggers here about this Guy Eugene Caesar in what happened that day however long ago it is bad. It's like once they set that precedent that they could take people out so like prominent you know from the president to someone running for president and once they can do that undue be circumstances. Everything's up for fucking grabs man. It's all fair game dolphins game immediately and even from then we went onto the Persian Gulf War and nine nine eleven and all the other wars and I mean it just it. It's a continuation of the same people but the same power structure are the military industrial telecommunication pharmaceutical complex starting wars killing the people so Mafia. It's like you know it's fucking Mafia. Do eat is straight mafia in they continue. I mean it just continues to this day. Do it continues to this day. They just you know they've sophisticated their their modus operandi and how they get down. It's much more sophistication implementation of their plans but yeah we're still seeing crazy. Wars is back in Vietnam. I mean come on now smedley Butler. Everybody knows who smedley Butler was right. One of the most high highly decorated veterans of his time early nineteen hundreds early you know late Twentieth Century Early Early Twentieth Century he was as he said himself he was. He was a gangster for capitalism supporting the military industrial complex and we see more today so again hope everybody's doing well. I'm sorry but I just wanted to speak league on the passing of Eugene Caesar. He played a very prominent role in history but not a lot of people know who the fuck you was as I say like Robert Kennedy would it came in and been perfect etcetera etcetera but you know that gangster type shit that can allow presidential candidate to be fucking assassinated in for the mad for the public to be disliked blatantly lied to everyone here can go in Google the autopsy report Robert Kennedy and see where the bullet came from that killed him behind his fucking here right here. It's not me this isn't me saying this is what happened when you see where Oh boy was shooting from their hands off all from the front. It sounds silly because you could turn around and done some money linked caught a bullet. Now you just gotTa you gotTa gotta read. The reports reports of all the shots were fired. More shots were fired then what held than the you know the amount of shots that Sir Handgun gun held get holes in the fucking wall. You know I'm rambling but this is this. This is the horse should they do Manley fucking takeout pose something the other day my facebook the Justice Department building is named after fucking Robert F candidate they kill you in light you about who did it in the name buildings after you in Washington. DC that to me is like the even the sicker Shit. That's so seth rich. Seth rich has a bike rack a dedicated to himself in Washington DC. I know nothing new under the Sun man but it's just like I just wanted to give out a particular. What's up Shelly Shane how you doing? I just wanted to give a particular fuck fuck off to Eugene Caesar in just put his name out there because I don't know I I if I mentioned the name I can only assume that people who that is but I highly highly doubt it but this is the guy who shot Kennedy Robert Kennedy right behind the head as he walked through the Pantry and the Ambassador Hotel after winning winning the California primary and he was on Chicago and let's let's win. There is messed up right and it's not because I say mentioned on the show all the time. It's only through kind of historical perspective. Do we find out like Oh wow okay that did happen twenty thirty years later everyone's dead no accountability. It just wind up happening again but you know there's this historical gabbling but it's like no that has nothing to do with that it. Always you know it's always kind of connected. This is a will the world is a will to power. I think Frederick Nici said that it just gets we've got sick. People that run shit do sick people that run shit in there is not having that they won't do to acquire power and to hold onto it. Nothing I mean they trade in a traffic children. Do fucking satanically ritually abused children children. You don't WanNa you don't even want to hear some of the stories of what the fuck they're doing. The Kids Fan Epstein in that fucking grew but the trading and people people's body parts guns drugs arms weapons in the utilizing these different financial institutions to wash the money from all of these illicit proceedings trillions of dollars to me. It's a black market economy. Do It's been going on for fuck it ever. I knew I digress with that but I mean that's yeah get eliminate anybody that might come in and disrupt that there's no different than the dope game on the streets. If you have other buckets coming at selling shit on on your black what do you do you have people. Come in encroaching on the dollar your your dollar in this corporation the United States for America talking big dollars so anyway fuck Eugene Caesar look his name. Check them out. You guys understand that. This isn't me or need saying this crazy shit. It is a weird day to Die Right Jackson Dia September eleventh a lot of crazy shit's gone on September eleventh man if you look at the date historically shortly and some interesting stuff but in this particular day June fifth nineteen sixty eight Robert Kennedy had just won the primary down there in California in about to go to Chicago and handle is business and he probably would have wanted odds are he was set to win and but you know for me it is really bugs me like I said had a little bit ago man the reports right there the autopsy report with with John Kennedy. It's all fucking like Whoa did they. This is the same body what did they do to his head is brain's gone. They did so much to fuck up the forensics but almost you know a testimony to how fucking brazen they are and how much they don't give a shit they had certain firing from the front of this guy in the shot that kills him wind up being back here and they make all this information mason public and the guy who shoots from the front is sitting in jail whereas like who shot from the back like nobody even talks about nobody get you know the dude walks walks even though they went into who this guy was Eugene Caesar and find out you know who would he's been up to its He's has intelligence ties at seven Sarah. He's the only with a gun at the time standing right behind Robert Kennedy it said anyway we know it was just nothing happens and happens scares me to no more well. I mean come on come on maybe this would frustrates me also kind of dries me to keep going with the conspiracy farm that can stop and and now that we're going to change the world but you know we just gotTa be Alice. Do there's been no nothing happens at anybody. Nothing happens anybody from you know a hate to from World War One which was engineered killed twenty million people. Nobody went to jail for the European in Western forces that helped fund the Nazi war machine. Nobody went to fucking jail. Nuremburg trials had nothing to do with a lot of the Western forces that helped fund and arm the Third Reich. I'm sorry is is just what the FUCK DOC is out. Nobody went to jail for the Gulf of Tonkin in the Vietnam War that killed so many Americans in millions of Vietnamese. Nobody went to jail for Iran Contra for the Persian Gulf War in falsely reporting that Iraqi soldiers were turning over fucking incubators in the sanctions in Iraq that killed so many hundreds of thousands of people. Nobody went to jail offer. WMD's being a liar Benghazi or fucking down eleven or bear stearns or any any of the financial collapse these guys get hundred million dollar golden parachutes. Whatever it's like you know what I mean? It's just systemic. Do Nothing fucking happens ever ever and then we all wind up fighting about nonsense by all this shit continues the fuck do I heard more sheet about fucking Antonio Brown helmet and being released from the fucking raiders hired by the Patriots and now under sexual assault charges. I heard more about that dumb shit than I heard about fucking Jeffrey Epstein in all the gangster shit he's been into for decades stupid fucking stupid. How many people know who fucking Eugene is or was? They knew Gene Caesar. If I were to ask you who killed Robert Kennedy what would most of you say surrender odds are if you had any clue at all some people who killed Robert Kennedy you probably be like Robert Kennedy John John Wilkes as well the Lee Harvey Booth Orelon Robert Kennedy Right Lee Harvey Booth people wouldn't have a clue but you know some people know it was you know it was all pinned on Sirhan Sirhan but not a lot of people who think Jesus Caesar was but I'll bet a whole bunch of people know who they have in their fantasy football draft is a book in wide receiver and running back and all that it dep- right yeah no. I'm not knocking. De do your fantasy football do do they do your friends football but it it goes into this kind of like fucking selective butthurt virtue singling signaling that we see everywhere. Everyone's apart heard about every fucking dumb shit you. Could you snap on you. You snap completely on the sheet. You shouldn't snap on but you're fucking completely silent on this shit. You should be snapping up. That's why can't it just fucking boggles. My mind with the chapelle shit was genius dude. I mean he's had everybody fucking triggered. Everybody's goddamn fields do nobody has their opinion. Their opinion has them and they can't wait virtue signal and tell everybody how fucking horrible they are. Because what do you see niche amid defended. Go Fuck Yourself. You know what I mean. They're satanic ritually abusing children anything that anything that no all right well. That's cool the guy who was spearheading it up to fucking few weeks ago when he was on suicide watch they kill them in the fucking jail. Hadn't anybody kill himself in forty refunding. Here's what he's dead in with it all of his secrets mad about that. No I back to dancing with the fucking stars keeping up together. They occurred there. Are they making a new series of the hills. Are you kidding Brody Jenner's coming back my God the desktop by Dvr. I'm a jaded cynical son of a bitch but you know life in historical events have proved moving that have kind of a reason to me. I still think life is lovely beautiful thing in every single day man every single breath of air is an absolute blessing but you know it's just it's it's just weird shit. We get caught up in a lot of engineering social engineering. You know we were made care about dumb shit. That's why the Kardashians have a top rated show 'cause we. We make it so in as much as we you know we pretend like we give a shit about stuff. We just don't you know you're kind of into ourselves. As long as I have the newest fucking phone and everything is happening the way I wanted to really all that matters I'm not saying that's I think but that's kind of seems to be the culture. We don't really seem to give a fuck about crazy shit. That's happening in the world but we're definitely very pissed. I mean these things need to be talked about racism. You know phobia this phobia that Bubba Blah uh but you know again selective butthurt us we need to start prioritizing shit our government funds terrorists arms and funds terrorists. We haven't fucking conversation about that place. Before we have the fucking conversation about Tonio Brown's fucking helmet or whatever it is man through a fucking clue of the Jeffrey Epstein was into it went so far Liane cates man at the kids is bad enough but I mean everything we talk about on the fucking conspiracy farm that guy was end with financial institutions touche's with banks washing money washing trillions billions of trillions of dollars man from kids drugs arms. It's global fucking global man. It's global when he was up to not just him just this network and this fucking network. Tell me man the Matrix was documentary. There is a reality that they hide from us and they place this fucking crazy weird false reality L. D. over reality. It looks so many people that just buy into it. Oh what are you telling me on fuck in Good Morning America this morning out of Kinetic Welton in less than thirty minutes only got it quilts. I'm not saying committing. Quotes is bad but we need to prioritize our our anger a little bit more do I think the hurricane was plotted in the Bahamas. I don't I don't i. I know they've been able to control the weather since the late thirties early forties but I don't think necessarily that unless you have some evidence to prove otherwise we'll be more to hear it Miss Alexander. I don't know who's all on here right now but had anybody heard of Eugene Caesar Dane Eugene Caesar by know who that person person was until seeing it in my timeline all right if you haven't you know planet fitness. This is a judgement free zone but I'm sorry I he is the guy who killed Robert. Kennedy shot him from two inches behind his head right ear. This I keep pointing the wrong side in the autopsy. Report shows it so compare what they said happen this shit name Sir Sir unloading his weapon from the Complete Opposite Direction of where the fatal shot came from and again. It's not like they've come this fucking in the can read this. You could see it Thomas Noguchi. He got quite a bit of Shit after that happened because he refused to say that the shot that killed him came from the front and he was like dude. It's back here. We're going for yourself or you know completely. Don't give a shit which is fine too. That's why can't you hear I appreciate that. I just wanted to speak on it because I knew probably not a lot of people knew who it was is something you know. Most people realize that the officials story of who killed Robert Kennedy was nonsense. Some people really you just have no you know observing answering. Did it okay. I just heard this. Palestinian guy did it because he hated. You know a lot of people just kind of deferred to whatever the public sentiment on it is not a lot of people know who Eugene Caesar was in how he was able to get right behind Senator Kennedy and shoot them right in the head from two inches and I think the cool part about it that we can actually talk about today in it removes this conversation from conspiracy theory is the autopsy report that shows that the shot came from two inches behind his right ear and when you hear how it all played out how he was walking in the shots from Saran rain came from front. You're like well how the fuck did he get hit back in the back of his head if the do they're shooting him was coming from the front and you're like all right then who was behind signed him in the when you look at the pictures you see thane Eugene Caesar the only person who was holding again so anyway. This is very very intriguing stuff to me. I find it fascinating and unfortunately as time goes on it just goes away and nobody cares because I generally think generally speaking speaking. I don't think people just you can't fight. City Hall is just what happened. I'm you know we you know. Nobody cares not to say anything even if they say we're working I do about it. They'RE GONNA kill people and that's true but you can't ever changing situation unless you become aware that it's a problem problem right. I mean if people even began to get the vastness of the conspiracy that went behind killing John Kennedy Tease Lord Robert Kennedy was equally as fucked West more homes say people buy into it because that's the easy way out. If people actually really came to the realization of the state of our society from economics foreign policy education etcetera they would crack or simply just take extra doses of blue pills. Well I mean that's that's very true West. More a lot of people have confirmation. Biases is an egos in in very much invested in how they see the world will. That's not the way I think about it and if I don't know that's you know it's not happening or it's people always feel they got covered and you may talent shit because if it was really going on and they know about it so it's like people don't even want to want to let go of what they don't know and then it bates the question I say it all the time on the show. Once you start finding out how dark it might be then you're like Oh my God. I've been lied to you on so many different levels and then base the question. What the fuck do I do about it and the older you get the worse? It is the will only you get in the worst. You realize how much you've been lied to is the more you kinda hold onto like no way there's augured way. They lied to me like like they did. They did and he just can't let that go. People can't can't unlearn you know what I mean. It's like cantonal anti-national dog new tricks or whatever but as it relates to the world at large like man a lot of people have a Lotta Shit invested like said Ego Etcetera Etcetera in how they see the world and letting that goes very very problematic for people and when you start talking about very deep conspiracies to do shit like JFK or nine eleven or RFK Have K or Marley king whatever means just it challenges peoples thought process and how they thought things were and are that's why I love Matrix. The Matrix is a documentary. I swear like you said West more between the blue and the red pills like take the blue pill. We'll go back to sleep in the world's. Whatever you want it to be tied gall? What's my nuke? We gotta get you on tides and have a nice conversation. Did you very I forget. There's been several months couple years where I post something about art. K and you brought up an Eugene Caesar and I think that was maybe maybe the first time I had heard the name in a long time I don't know but I was saying Sir joined but not a lot of people know who that is and and not all people even know who sir Hans Sir Hannah's but they know him before they do each Jane Caesar Eugene Caesar obviously glad design but in the more time goes by unless people do unless people stay on it. Let's dip shits like me set up in the middle of the night talking about this. We have these conversations and continue to we. Everyone just keeps swallowing the narrative of what is they don't. They don't want to do any digging lest you be called a conspiracy theorist. What's up rick found how you doing sir you? You know they have that connotation. If you're a conspirators must be Alex Jones and Sandyhook didn't exist sense. I'm just a critical thinker man I questioned stuff and I happened happened to be like a big fan of history so having studied history and seen history play out so many things that we talk about their conspiracy theories I mean you'd be a fool oh not to question all the things I was listening to go from the sinking of the US Maine to start the Spanish American war from the Gulf of Tonkin to the Lusitania to get us into World War One. You know I ain't crazy. I'm not crazy. I just can read so again. We create those confirmation biases and things like that in my world this could never happen and that's what makes the harder. The pill harder to swallow when you do are confronted with things that so challenger is your world view. I don't know Man Socrates said all I know is I know nothing. I'm a big fan of that statement because the more you like I got it. This is it I know it all. Just you know you don't you don't know it all and there's much more. There's always more to learn so if you didn't know who thing you gene. Caesar was actually check him out. He died yesterday and Robert Kennedy Junior. The son of the man he killed gave a very lengthy in in poignant. Take on who this person was he was the man who led him into the little assassins nest if you will and and he did his role to help do away with them and that's one of the some of the first statements Robert Kennedy Juniors ever really significantly made about him as far as challenging the official so story so could night show but yeah I am going to dip so so I hope everybody is fantastic and finds themself. Well on this day is it days are displaying together Thursday Thursday Thursday night this fine Thursday night. Every single day of ground is a beautiful day. I don't know some yesterday with September eleventh and such I mean had had eighteen years ago when I lived in Chicago in that happen in my apartment faced like O'hare airspace and there were the days before that obviously obviously o'hare planes were constantly flying constantly constantly constantly flying in that day that was the first summit ever seen like this guy empty and quiet and when you go on the L. train you say cats with freaking M. sixteens and dude. I'm a fucking. I'm a country mouse from Iowa. Do that should bugged me out. That shit really bugged me out when that happened obviously bugged us all out but limiting such big like Chicago. I was like man I need to get back. Di Was it's possible but I mean some the bothered me yesterday and I don't know anyway people jumping out of the windows man jumping man whatever they call them or to make that decision man how insanely incredibly I just can't imagine the moments that precipitated these people who like upper class a white collar gigs probably make great though whatever the happened on a Tuesday perhaps had a gray weekend heading to work doing what they do not knowing that within a very short period of time they were gonNA be forced forced to do the absolute fucking unthinkable in jump. Uh of whatever these floors from the World Trade Center. I just can't imagine that process man I mean I think it's called the jumping man picture of the guys in a white shirt with a tie and and it's crazy man that was heavily on my mind yesterday and a little bit today to me just as I think I just to take that step that that initial step I'm assuming they were escaping escaping the heat and just to make that choice as opposed to burning to death. It was like I am going to die so I'm going to either burn to death or I'm going to jump from this building crazy man crazy but these are the choices that had to be made on that day man fucked up man. It's fucked up so I found myself super almost every September eleventh him very reflective we hit we did some shows and obviously the conspiracy farm. We talk about the conspiracy shit like that but I don't know that particular day today. It wasn't wasn't really thinking someone's like that the Y. and who did a lots of human lives were lost in a very in a horrible way man and we saw it on TV where the super like broadcasted sucks men and then thinking all fucking lives innocent or not innocent I mean since the in the open checkbook that was you know the war of terror air and how many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed since nine eleven based off of nine eleven and how many we'll continue to be her terrible story of how some were pushed because there was such a push to rush to the windows for air. Hadn't I thought of that before wow what's. IRC me tied one of those cool acronyms so yeah the people jumping who were forced to John Burr whatever it was that was really kind of bothering me yesterday as well it should be but I'm just thinking about those people like before the ride into work you know probably listening to do whatever the fuck music their lists whatever starting to start another day to having no clue that that within just whatever there I don't mean super super sad as we all know man that you know as they say change change the world forever Herb Simmons how you doing brother yet I mean bring the seedings down. This wasn't really an uplifting posts in the first place. I was just trying to bring people attention to the individual who died yesterday happened to be on September eleventh. Thing thing was staying Eugene Caesar. He was the security guard standing behind Robert Kennedy when he walked to the ambassador ballrooms kitchen and shot him and killed him but depended on Sir hands so that was the thrust of this post. We went a little couple directions. That's right it. All kinda ties together man it all ties together the military industrial complex as we know it military industrial pharmaceutical pseudo telecommunication complex no it has no problem ladies and gentlemen none whatsoever with burying bodies and taking taking people out in whatever fashion they need to to achieve their larger geopolitical goals and if you don't think that's possible you can easily easily look at something as recently as September the eleventh two thousand one but we've seen it all throughout history. They've lied I just into several wars which responsible for the death of so many millions of innocent men women and children and I know we just don't we tend to just not give a fuck because it's not ours so our men women and children of soldiers of course are dying in that but they're not you know so we're not dying from sanctions levied because of Iraq or Iran whatever country we're trying to go into now. Julian selena signs posted that video fucking collateral murder us. We haven't seen that in a look at look at the Vietnam War millions Vietnamese men women and children dead literally literally based off ally the Gulf of Tonkin incident incident never happened but they did in you know we lost fifty eight plus thousand American soldiers killed in action however many EPL W tens of thousands died from suicides coming home from rural suicides are overdoses again. Millions of Vietnamese basically based off the lion in for the large part to keep the heroin trade moving. It's all about hair. What's about communism awesome anyway? On Afghanistan garden the poppy fields this opium epidemic decimates the United States yet fifty eight thousand dying a year. They said the war in Vietnam every year fifty plus thousand fifty eight supposedly died in Vietnam over the course of many years. We're having fifty plus thousand deaths every year from the hope from the heroine Innovia down if you think that it's just come at somehow just showing up because of whatever the third rate drug dealer whatever the fuck you not seen trillions of dollars in trade of guns and drugs and people in arms and in so many of these financial institutions are washing the money from this shit dude so nothing new under the sun just WanNa make people aware whereas the death of Jean Caesar who died yesterday quite ironic September eleventh but look him up see who he was then. Ask yourself why why the fuck is Sir Hanson sitting in prison still for the rest of his life not going anywhere crazy man crazy fucking world. We live in you know hey. We got people losing their shit over whatever again we're snapping on Shit. We shouldn't be snapping on and we're fucking cricket. Silent on Shit. We need to be snap it on and that silence is the acquiescence that allows for all of this shit to keep happening as we're going to put to sea with fucking Venezuela. I I mean come on dude. How many tens of thousands people are sanctions already killed in Venezuela and we're about to go into fucking Iran? I mean yeah I think talking to myself 'cause. I don't think many people give a fuck. I wanted to do this this. This should've just again. I'm not expecting anybody even do anything about a participant. fucking aware of the rabbit hole is deep and it has been so I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the evening. Hope everybody enjoys enjoys the tomorrow and the rest of the week piece in all kinds of love and so many blessings to you whoever's listening in your family's I was nothing but the best man it's hot as hell out here summer's going out with a bang soon. It will be fall soon. We'll be hearing Christmas music on the radio. Jazz knows roasting on an open my jam do the Nat King Cool all right guys love you man and Yeah I saw that tied I mentioned that that certain certain woods was attacked in his jail cell or whatever was stabbed. Whatever but rot in fucking Hell Dane Eugene Caesar Cox and son of a bitch got to live his life out dying in the Philippines at the ripe old age of whatever the Funky was but he derived Robert Kennedy and his family of seeing him live a nice long healthy life but such as life right this? Is these things happen but if we don't learn I'm from history we are doomed to repeat it so let's get wise to this yet and please pay attention to more postals gentleman on the hard to kill holiday challenge that we are about to break off for the holidays starting November first to January I this is this is a this is a challenge. You know I'm going to say even modelled off it but everyone not a lot of people have heard of Thomson Gura Bert Kreischer and Joe Rogan. They have their sober October. They don't drink some about what school you know. I mean there's no competition with themselves but this is this is straight up. This is some next level shit man. This is some transformation shit that we all individually become responsible for. We're not in competition with anybody. Whatever it is you WANNA? Do you WANNA lose weight. You WanNa work out you WANNA learn to cook you. WanNa fuck and read more whatever it is you want to do. This is the opportunity for you to challenge yourself to level up job and challenge yourself to do these things to make yourself a better you period and then you'll be able to do videos whatever it is and we'll find some place for you to post hosted in. You'll just be leveling up for these two months in putting a public record out there to make you accountable and if you don't fucking do it guess what you don't fucking do it. Nobody nobody's responsible for you but you you WANNA level the fuck up level the fuck up and do it and we wanna see that this is all an inspirational thing for us all to challenge ourselves. Get Out of our comfort zone fuck New Year's resolutions man. Let's talk some new life resolutions but the year let's flip the script man. Let's become the best us live our best life. Life right in the challenge is not something you got to keep doing it after the two months but this is just a starting phase for for you to get yourself into the groove of being the best you everyone's challenge is going to be different every single one of us. We all got different Shit. We WanNa do more of do less of increase. Stop doing whatever the fuck it is man. Whatever it is this is the time for you to level up challenge yourself step out of those comfort zones which we all have we all? We all get complacent. We all get lazy dude but there's just a beautiful thing about taking shit to the next level once that switch gets flipped and we've all I had those moments where like shit just changes force in the moment of decision right. Anthony Robbins says best is the moment of decision where Dennis formed once you decide to step that shit up into great for lack of a better term we all got greatest greatness stupid where all afraid our deepest fears not that we are inadequate quip our deepest fears that we are powerful beyond measure it is your light your darkness which frightens us you're playing small. Does nothing nothing to serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that others don't feel insecure around you. We were all meant to shine like children do and when we allow for that light to shine we unconsciously give people permission to do the same thing as we are liberated from our fears in our presence automatically liberates others. That's an incredible poem that has stuck with me for a very long long-time. You're playing small does nothing to serve the World Ladies and gentlemen. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that others don't feel insecure insecure Ranji. 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'In Plain Sight: Lady Bird Johnson': Ep. 8

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'In Plain Sight: Lady Bird Johnson': Ep. 8

"Wednesday june fifth. The phone jarred me awake from a deep sleep. It was landon saying briefly. Tersely you come in here. I resent what did not see how it could be morning and sure enough. I saw with amazement. That the hands of glock said four twenty. Nothing good can come from a phone. Call at four. Am ladybird goes over to linden's bedroom. Her anxiety rising. It was cracked up again. Those in his room looking is oh he had never been to sleep and all the tv sets were on. And i realized that something was happening gentleman. We've kept the on. We've heard an alarming report. That robert kennedy was shot in that ballroom at the ambassador hotel in los angeles. A very loud noise like a clap of thunder was hurt. That heard it. I can stand up to kennedy. Had been shot. You bring you more jews as we learned it. So far all the information we have from best-case studios and abc audio. This is in plain sight. I'm julius wag crystal clear episode eight. Claudia all my life. C. a linden ladybird have both had a fraught relationship with bobby kennedy. It dates back to nineteen sixty when i was openly opposed to his brother jack pudding. Lbj on the ticket. They've been through extraordinary times together. Great things and terrible things. Jack's victory in the election his assassination in dallas the passing of major civil rights laws. The murder of martin luther king just two months ago. they've been uneasy allies but mostly adversaries. None of it matters anymore. Beholding had taken place under the eye of the television camera and we saw over and over film of the shooting itself and her light correct gunned open shots event. It has senator kennedy call. My senator kennedy has been shot thirty. Hold onto the guy. We don't want another long running away from him. I saw him lying on the floor on a pool of blood andres head bam a unreality about the whole thing a nightmare quality. It couldn't be your drained it. It had happened before it had happened before jfk. Then dr king. Now this three assassinations in just a few years. And every few moments that would come on screen smiling phase of senator kennedy tasting the wine of victory making little jokes with f. l. by his side and then we go through the whole thing over again. He age of television has its downside. Then asked me to get some coffee. I went into the kitchen or not nine. That coffee of covid lot wise and searched until i fan instant sanca and put the kettle. Don at t and cream and sugar and the president. I took a tray back. Facials television kept repeating the hideous story. Joe not clear on what happened going in for brain surgery. Steve determined that the bullet had lodged somewhere behind the ear reports. That operations of this sort can take up to four hours so this may still be a long vigil. We repeat at the hangs on for almost twenty six hours. Mounts into montage thai everybody was stricken face the air of unreality. This can't be happening. And then the need is deep wracking. Sob my country. My country moving martin luther king just two months ago day and president kennedy. The worst fears of the american public been confirmed with the passing of senator robert kennedy. That came at one. Forty four this morning pacific daylight time. Senator robert kennedy was brother. President john f. kennedy was murdered about five years ago died early today at what must have been the zina's of his brilliant political career. That's from a massive brain injury inflicted by an assassin's bullet in the days that follow. It's like time has stopped in the white house. Phone calls meetings waiting. There's a portrait of president. Woodrow wilson that used to hang in the grand staircase at the white house. It was painted after he had a stroke in one thousand nine hundred nineteen one that left him incapacitated in the back of her mind ladybird has always worried that some similar fate might await. Lbj know what. I always say in wilson's country. Its message to me is a president should have his portrait painted reasonably early in the office. Time's running out for lbj. He'd had his portrait painted in nineteen sixty five but neither of them like the result although it does hang in the national portrait gallery today. Lbj is scheduled to sit for a new portrait. The day before bobby's funeral the timing is definitely not great but they decide to keep the appointment. Maybe sitting still for an hour is exactly what they need. The artist is madam. Elizabeth shumita off a russian emigre. She was in warm springs georgia with franklin roosevelt. Doing an initial sketch for his when he died from a cerebral hemorrhage in april nineteen forty-five now with the specter of death hanging over the white house the president the first lady and madame schumer tov gathering the lincoln sitting room linden allowed from letters from his son-in-law chalk in vietnam white house photographer yuichi okamoto shoots a few candidates in a few of the images. You see lady bird sitting by the window watching. She's not the artist or the subject. She's the one orchestrating this moment. Fixing it in history. Saturday june eight was a day for me completely. Detached from the normal capsule of time suspended in unreality burial of santa. bobby kennedy. We barely and read the papers which were drenched with every aspect of the story. The johnsons fly up to new york for the funeral. Service is held in saint patrick's cathedral in midtown manhattan york was a strange side streets lined with people who stood sound motions for three days. Television had been invoking the phrase like a greek tragedy and indeed. There was much of a greek. Play out this. These craft the voiceless course new york. Abc news commentator frank reynolds. Good morning one hour now. A solemn requiem mass will be said for senator robert francis kennedy forty two years old like his brother. The victim of an assassin's bullet all during the night until shortly before five o'clock this morning the people of new york and for that matter people from all over the country some from all over the world. I'll ask the task senator. Robert kennedy police estimated that forty thousand persons at slowly walk past the casket on the presidential limousine. The secret service car behind on the fenders first lady in black white trim with color president and a grade. I don't know glorious but a small chairman proud. Gosh lady thought. An kirk escorted in saint patrick's that magnificent setting include any sarah and enjoy pierre salinger. Jfk's former press secretary escorts johnson's to their seats. He looked absolutely stricken as we approach the dark shiny coffin with a flag talk candles and he paused briefly and so today and then turned and took the seats that was shown to us a front row. The enormous neo gothic cathedral is packed with four thousand mourners artists. Intellectuals journalists lieber leaders like cesar chavez and dolores huerta civil rights leader john lewis cabinet secretaries and dozens of members of congress candidates running for president from both parties. Knock george wallace. I had noticed. Just as we moved into ac- the congregation silently and without signal had risen. It was mrs jacqueline kennedy and black and failed with a two children entering. Jackie had almost fainted. When she entered the cathedral she passed in front of us sat in a front row seat on the right hand side with all the numerous kennedy family. Somehow it seemed ethylene. Her children slipped in more quietly. The celebrated conductor leonard bernstein. A friend of bobby ethel's mahler's adagietto was a ceremony of staggering drama and beauty. I can see only the back of the director which was in itself a study expression of the utmost passion comment and data and that little piece in this whole most say always you were away on. The flag draped coffin in the middle of the with. It's an incredible burn. This has been the only thing the most unbelievable event in the nation's life as i have shared it heightened made all the more so by president. Kennedy's assassination nearly five years ago. Behalf of mrs kennedy or children obvious last surviving brother. Senator ted kennedy gives the eulogy want to express what we feel to those worn with us today in this cathedral around the world strong and composed his eyes by red graham completely through his voice began to quaver came under controls and it comedy the acid. His brother be remembered. Simply as good and decent man Wrong and tried to write it so suffering and tragedy so awhile and tried to stop many parts of this nation those he touched and sought to touch him. Some men see things as they are in safe. Why i dream things that never were and say why not. As the johnsons make their way out of the cathedral. They stopped to greet teddy and her children. And bobby's mother rose. And then i found myself in front of other is jacqueline kennedy called her name and put out my hand a hard to know how to describe next few moments of time. She looked at me as though from a great distance as though our an apparition jackie and lady bird lived through so much together so much tragedy. Maybe finally too much for jackie to summon that generosity. She'd shown to ladybird almost five years ago after dallas failed extreme. Hostility was it because i was alive. Linden lady are back at the white house by one pm. They wait for the train carrying came from new york. The train travel slowly. There are crowds lining the tracks for almost the whole way from salute from their hands over their hearts. It takes hours to arrive at union station in washington and actual campaign train. Senator kennedy would be on the platform of last car. Today feels endless. Sambre visitors at the white house nonstop television coverage they that's where his calf get rest on a one foot high platform covered in velvet family and closest friend joining three cards. It's almost ten o'clock at night. When the funeral procession finally begins the journey to arlington national cemetery. The president's limousine follows fourteen cars behind the hearse on the way. The cortege stops at the lincoln memorial overlooking the national mall since late. May the mall has been the site of a kind of large scale protests called resurrection city a fifteen acre encampment over five hundred makeshift dwellings. Health clinics and community buildings. It's home to thousands of people from all around the country. The reverend jesse. Jackson is the quote city manager. Resurrection city had been built in the weeks. Following martin luther king's death the legacy of his poor people's campaign. The national park service had even given the encampment. Its own zip code to double o one three celebrities. Like sidney poitier marlon brando and barbra streisand a visit to lend their support. It's a highly visible rebuke to lbj's great society and the idea. That lady birds beloved beautification campaign offer any kind of meaningful improvement to people's lives as the procession passes. The crowd is singing battle. Hymn of the republic. Written by abolitionist. Julia ward how in eighteen sixty one at the start of the civil war. The secret service tells lady bird. She should not lower her window to listen. Lining the route to arlington. There are crowds at times. Six people deep holding candles in silent vigil. Many who have waited all day for. Bobby's funeral procession to pass a great white moon riding high in the sky. A beautiful night. This is the only night funeral. I ever remember an incredible unbelievable cruel and wrenching time. Eleven days later. A hundred thousand people gather at resurrection city for a rally. It's june nineteenth also known as juneteenth. The days celebrating the emancipation from slavery actor. Ozzie davis master of ceremonies. Bill cosby performs mahalia jackson. And pete seeger saying an earth. A kit addresses the crowd in both english and spanish. Kereta scott king is there. This place holds special meaning for her stand here today with many mixed emotion. Five years ago nine my late husband. Dr martin luther king junior still at this very spot and tall the nation about his dream hushed crowd listens as mrs king reads a message and i should like to read to you a telegram which are seen from another jazz race victimized by the same tragedy which my family and i won't victimized by today on this most important dame all american maya heart and fran With you the finest memorial. Dr martin luther king what be the tangible action our country tanks now to implement the program he and my husband about so deeply dine business. Apple candidates maybe. The death of our s k. Has sapped the will of washington and the country or the hope that peaceful protest can bring real change that the mainstream media had turned on resurrection city. Depicting it as a disaster. It had rained for thirty days. Straight people in the encampment are sick. And they've messed up the grass on the national mall. It takes all of ninety minutes for hundreds of policemen just riot. Helmets and jackets and armed with shotguns and tear-gas dismantle the place. It's the day after. Resurrection city is destroyed on their way to the airport lady. Bird and her policy age. Sharon francis drive past the remains of the encampment. We pass the resurrection city site. And she said she wished could know what they were thinking and how they felt news wanted to have an embassy with them and couldn't know them well enough realized she couldn't lady bird is on her way to portland oregon to give a speech to the annual conference of the american institute of architects. It's a profession. That's doing some soul-searching at the moment are architects. Who profited from massive urban renewal contracts. The hulking towers of inner city housing projects somehow complicit in the problems tearing american cities apart wednesday. June twenty six. I had breakfast and read my speech in the comfortable. Little room with the sheraton motor inn and andro. The civic santa by the american institute of architects was having its annual convention with less than six months ago in the johnson presidency. Lady bird is ready to stop pulling any punches. She's introduced by secretary of agriculture orville freeman. Thank you mister secretary. As you may know my concern has been expressed in an effort called beautification. I think you also know what lies beneath that rather inadequate word if ever. There's a time to move beyond flowers. The summer of nineteen sixty eight is it and go straight to the terrible legacy of urban renewal the destructive a of unfettered freeway construction i earnestly hope that acid. The station is remembered for more than its mammoth three ways and vast urban superblocks for more than isolated impersonal gigantic public housing projects of our cities. Too many of these great projects seem to me to be reproaches. Not signs of progress. But like so. Many aspects of ladybird. Johnson the substance of what she's saying goes pretty much unnoticed. Thank you for letting me share this morning. And the thing about her and flowers. It's very hard to shake after knee. That came a panel discussion on nature. Leading off with all the freemen all announced that under your white and very lovely was being named from the the mrs lbj. Another one of those times. When i wish i had acquired a nickname but it just been cloudy all my life. I thought a lot about that nickname lady bird. How it makes her seem so approachable at least in that era but also how it obscures. How serious she was. I wonder if she ever felt it diminished her especially as she grew into her ideas and the work she was trying to do became so much more substantial. Claudia her actual name certainly has more gravitas and it might have felt like a better fit as she became a more powerful public figure but like the thing with flowers a feminized euphemism if ever there was one nicknames can become pigeonholes and their implied identities are hard to escape. If you don't know about audible it's the leading provider of spoken-word entertainment. All in one place audible has the largest selection of audiobooks. So you'll never run out of options choose from bestsellers and new releases. Including my new book ladybird johnson hiding in plain sight. Which is the basis of this podcast. I've been immersed in this work for years. But when i listened to the talented kirsten potter read the book. I hear so many more dimensions to the characters and their compelling stories audible also gives you access to thousands of popular and binge worthy podcasts and now with audible plus you get full access to their popular plus catalogue. You can listen to as much content as much as you want including ad free versions of your favorite shows and exclusive series. New members can always try audible. Plus free for thirty days just visit audible dot com slash site or text site to five hundred five hundred. That's audible dot com slash sl t. or text s i g h t to five hundred five hundred okay. So you're staring at the wall. The one that's looking kinda sad you know the one and you know you need to paint it but what are. The trendy colors does read work with wood. Floors is blue to bold with this couch. Will beige feel to blah. How do i even choose a color. Luckily the color experts at bows bar have heard it all and they're here to help find the perfect color for any room by working with your vision answering all your questions. Start your project off right with free consultation at val spar dot com slash color. Help lebron's indictment of mammoth freeways isn't just a rhetorical flourish for a speech in washington. Dc a bill to fund a new round of highways is making. Its way through congress. The plan will do all kinds of damage to dc communities mostly the black neighborhoods of this segregated capital city and congress has given. Dc's still new local government. A kind of ultimatum. Start building freeways or lose the funding for a new public transportation system. The metro in their ambitious plans for the neighborhood of anacostia lady. Bird and architect larry halpern had proposed rerouting part of that new freeway system in order to preserve a prime piece of public land called kingman island. They hoped to develop it as a vast park in the inner city. The project had stalled. But in the wake of martin. Luther king's assassination. There is renewed momentum for it but if the freeway bell passes the island will be more or less destroyed and their hopes for the park along with it unless lbj can be persuaded to veto it. Sharon francis talked about how lady bird approached her lobbying effort with lbj. She wanted to reassure me. But but all the editorials and material up were really of opposition to the bill She had conveyed to him and she kind of make the decision for him. It's been very sympathetic to those people who are urging a veto pleaded. Bird's not just sympathetic as she told sharon she's working behind the scenes with cabinet members like stewart udall who are most opposed to the legislation. But even if he's sympathetic to linden really doesn't want to veto a democrat lead bill just as he's leaving office. Lbj signs it into law and with it. He signs away any chance that his wife's signature legacy project will ever see the light of day august. Sixty eight is convention. Mont the republicans. Gather in miami. Where richard nixon is the favorite for the nomination. The democrats will be in chicago. Linden ladybird had to the ranch. But with bobby kennedy. Gop various factions in the party has started putting out feelers about drafting to the top of the ticket. As far as lady birds concerned linden's decision is irrevocable. She's already started packing up. Her things shipping them home but as they head to texas for the month. It's not entirely clear that lbj thinks done. Friday august nine. I was up early. Had a swam with lyndon about twenty and a half. The day was going to be a busy date. Would as much air traffic is delays. That was a flurry of arrivals. We got the message that some to eastern plane was circling and about to land one of the many visitors to the lbj. Ranch is mississippi. Senator james eastland eastland democrat yet a hardened opponent of desegregation and civil rights but he's a senior member of congress and he and the president have to work together. Lbj's invited him to the ranch because he needs something from eastland and vice versa. A brief detour here for context back in nineteen sixty four despite extensive news coverage and public outcry eastland told that he didn't believe three civil rights workers and mississippi had gone missing. Senator thank you dependence. Senator eastland on nine one hour. Got three kids. What can i do well. I don't know. I don't believe i don't believe in three minutes down here. I believe it for this here. Come down to go after a six week search. The fbi found the bodies of the three civil rights workers. James chaney andrew goodman and michael showrunner buried in an earthen dam on a farm in philadelphia mississippi. Not a publicity stunt now in one thousand nine hundred. Sixty eight as eastland is arriving at the ranch. The president is meeting with his secretary of housing and urban development robert weaver weavers the only black member of lbj cabinet instinctively. I thought that senator eastland secretary went. But what are they exactly a cozy little company. So perhaps i could be useful by meetings and not to eastern and around the place by linden conducted his business with the secretary. Senator eastland has come to the ranch to do a little horse. Trading islam is chairman of the senate judiciary committee. The president has nominated his longtime personal lawyer. Abe fortas is now an associate justice on the supreme court as chief justice. Lbj needs the senator support. Get ford is confirmed but eastland has another agenda at the eastern was determined to talk. Politics said you know your husband's gobi nominated don't you. I said no sir not at all not going to be any movement of that sought that is not with any portion behind it. And if he were he wouldn't exam eastland is surprised her conviction and her clout with the president who seem some have taken aback believing as i had hoped it would happen that way but bentivoglio unshaken in his conviction as a democrat. Eastland is looking at the election. Pragmatically sure he's got differences with lbj like civil rights. but the administration's poverty programs have played well in mississippi. And anyway there's no great alternative as little as they see. Add as much as last between them. He would rather see lyndon nominated and anybody now before the democratic party but in terms of a last-minute draft in chicago another run for president for lbj. No way finally at ruled back to the main house considered believe so mannion's convertible just going around the barn conveying secretary. Were until the plane and that other business securing eastland vote for abe fortas. No dice with one foot out the door. Lbj just can't rally that kind of support. And the ford is chief. Justice nomination fails regularly scheduled program will not be seen tonight so that. Abc news can bring you color coverage of the nineteen sixty eight democratic national convention. Good evening from the international amphitheatre in chicago. Within twenty four hours convention will begin at this moment. It is the column and the eye of the storm just outside. The building is bring with more police than i have ever seen in one place and beyond them their federal troops convention in chicago opens on monday. August twenty six thousands of anti-war protesters descend on the city. Mayor daley has deployed twelve. Thousand police officers and lbj's backing fifty six hundred national guardsmen and five thousand army reserve troops. The cops have shoot to kill orders against anyone out after curfew police state but the police haven't heard that yet. Another guard is pushing. The people back with rifles. Some people down now rifle butterfly young blond haired man about twenty years old streaming down his face. It's been like this for free straight nights confrontations between youthful demonstrators chicago. Police martin times off us. What seemed to be unnecessary and often brutal for us to get their captives into patio sites from afar. It seemed like a stephen colbert of emotions and hippies and ups and standing by packers have been without being me. I would like very much. What is looming up. Because of a spectacle to their time a twenty six year old aretha franklin opens the convention with powerful rendition of the star spangled banner. The new york times reported that quote aretha franklin saying what too many years notably those of thoroughly rattled. orchestra was the first soul version of the star spangled. Banner of get a better line. Back in texas lyndon is still hemming and high. He calls texas governor. John connally to have him sound out. Southern state delegates was eastland riot. Would they draft. Lbj the answer is a definitive. No relaxing is to look at this from a distance of a noncompetitive. Have been talk about going to the convention make thought about in valedictory speech to receive good wishes on birthday and under bright they. I mean no decision. On his birthday while ladybird is planning a low key. Party eh daughter lucy's house in austin. Lbj still working on a speech. He might give that night at the convention. He's on the phone with hubert. Humphrey mayor dealy members of congress. No i made a plan skilling rather doubt that well i don't know i might change my mind but i have made plans to go and i don't know easy august the twenty seven. It was probably a strange and dramatic and in a way sand birthday as any he'll ever have. Meanwhile back at the ranch. President johnson had dinner at daughter lucy's house. He celebrated his sixtieth birthday absence but not forgotten by his party. Convenience chicago lucy's house a small group of journalists sing to the president. Someone asks if he'll be going to chicago. I have not decided yet. Linden says it's almost six in the evening and then sat on the sofa. Newsy brought in his cake with one candle on it. We took land on his lap cake and gave len abe's properly began making a mess. It was all very low key but some are in a way the atmosphere burden by about twenty of their local friends to join them at the ranch to watch the convention on the three console. Set eating dinner off of tv trays in the living room at a station had been made irrevocably on march thirty first but somehow there was a special saying goodbye this week rahu political life. There's a candidate set of black and white voters of the johnsons in bed. The next morning passing the phone. Back and forth linden ladybird and their girls gathered around the tv set. Just like the rest of the country watching it. All unfold clue. We go on to this strange year. Old is undergoing convultions around us at party. Our country the whole world. Iran iraq in year. For linden physically. It must be mentally and spiritually. And sometimes i think the greatest courage in the world is to get up in the morning and go about days. Were that has one of things. I like about him. On and on and on Every inauguration has special drama. I suppose the special dramas invest one is the game. The best in has played with richard nixon. Eight years ago he was defeated president of the united states. Something politicians recover from and like the surprise ending of a story. He's back today. The winner to be sworn in as the thirty seventh president of the united states. Former president. Johnson's leaving the capital to which came as a young doorkeeper. Thirty eight years ago. You'll go to andrews air force base where he taking off so many times before or texas at his ranch but this time of course it will be very different. Indeed january steps one carrying his faithful companion and stopped at the top the family and turned and waved conscious. Goodbye tableau. I looked over my shoulder and that was a silver present. The bright and clear and full of rama remanded rather precious after note. Who said he would look at the moon in years to come and remember what blunder that he was there and both linda and i look back at the presidency with one that it's august one. Thousand nine hundred nine ladybird and linden head to san clemente california to visit patent dick nixon. Four of them fly up. The pacific coast dedicate ladybird. Johnson grove in redwood national park. That bird had pushed for and that lbj signed into law in october. Nineteen sixty eight nixon under intense. Public pressure has little choice. But to build on the johnsons environmental agenda passing a raft of legislation and establishing the environmental protection agency in april nineteen. Seventy american celebrated their first earth day building. Consciousness had always been lady birds plan as she said in her eighties looking back. I never forgave. Linden's boys for turning my environmental agenda into a beautification project. But i went ahead and talked about wildflowers. So as not to scare anybody. Because i knew if the people came to love wildflowers it eventually care about the land grew by the summer of nineteen. Seventy protests in the streets lawsuits in federal court. Stop construction of all the proposed new highways in washington. Dc including the one that would have destroyed kingman island and twenty nine thousand nine hundred nineteen. The government proposed half a billion dollars for vast campus of arts and recreational along the anacostia river. Just like the one larry halpern ladybird had tried to make happen. Nineteen sixty eight. Who knows if it'll ever really materialize. But at least today kingman island is a nature preserve and at the end of nineteen. Seventy lady bird published a white house diary. A carefully edited version of the diary. She kept during her time in the white house. This series includes entries that were in the book and many more. That weren't a white house. Diary made the new york times bestseller list and stayed there for thirteen weeks. Linden's memoir published. The next year. Never made the list just a few short years later on january twenty second nineteen seventy-three lyndon johnson suffered a massive heart attack the lbj ranch. He was flown to the hospital. In san antonio lady bird was in austin on business and arrived at the hospital just minutes after he died he was sixty four years. Old women gathered in houston today as a symbolic torch marked the beginning of a national women's conference for that so via case the lack steps did at twenty six hundred mile. Relay from seneca falls new york site of the first american women's rights convention back in eighteen forty eight more than two thousand runners have passed this torch all the way to houston at the nineteen seventy seven. National women's conference in houston ladybird. Is there with coretta. Scott king bella. Abzug betty free dan barbara jordan and maya angelou their on stage in front of twenty thousand women rallying behind the equal rights amendment. The conference's captured in a special on pbs. And as ladybird takes the podium. We hear her connect with the women's movement in a way she never quite did during her time in the white house I watched the women's move belong more to my daughter's than to me. But i have come to know that it belongs. To women of all ages ladybird spends the next thirty years championing all the same issues that defined her time in the white house from environmentalism to public access to nature to documenting the historical record of linden. Johnson's political career and of their presidency. Really lady bird. Johnson died in two thousand seven at the age of ninety four. Thanks for listening. To in plain sight ladybird. Johnson in plain sight was written an executive produced by adam pinkus and meet julius wag. It's based on the work. I did for my book. Ladybird johnson hiding in plain sight executive producers for abc. Are victoria thompson. And eric johnson. Our producer is an karki alley. Gallo is our associate producer. Susie lou is abc's archival producer associated producers for. Our cable are isabelle. Vall and dana shaffer. This episode was edited by adrian. Lily with additional editing. By vanessa willow and help from lindsey craft. Well it was mixed by dean white. Our theme music is crossbones style by cat power. Original music is composed by sam rats. Are our music. Supervisor is linda cohen. Our artwork is teddy blanks chips and why special. Thanks to kevin famine best-case studios and thanks to joshua cohen liz lessee and stationed goo at abc audio. My kellyanne beth hoppy at abc news long for him. An an rosenberg. Kimberly brown who handled are legal and standards review in plain sight is a co production of s k studios and abc audio. 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[BONUS] He Was Irreplaceable

The RFK Tapes

32:40 min | 2 years ago

[BONUS] He Was Irreplaceable

"How did you come to to work with Senator Kennedy. So I I met him. I was in office of legal counsel which does high level legal work for the White House and the attorney general. This is Adam Alinsky in the spring of nineteen sixty three. He was just beginning a career at the office of legal counsel under the attorney general, Robert F Kennedy. And I got an assignment. There was a guy named AJ musty. AJ musty was a great piece crusader, and he was in his eighties. And he announced. That he was going to lead a March peace, March from Washington to Guantanamo. So he was going to walk from Washington all the way to Florida with, you know, if you follow us and then they were gonna get on a boat and go to Guantanamo. And they were going to say, we should have peace between the United States and Cuba, but this was the middle of the Cold War Cuba was an enemy. And so the Justice department decided to seek an injunction to try to stop us from going on his protests. And I was given the papers to review. The papers have to be personally signed by the attorney general. So in this case they ought to be signed by Robert F Kennedy. And he said, let me get destroyed. There's an eighty year old man. Wants to walk all the way down in Florida and then go to Cuba because he says it'll help bring peace. And you want me to sign a piece of paper that says, we're not gonna. Let him do that. He said, fuck it. I'm not gonna site that Apor just threw it back to be. That was the end of it. And I was just stunned, I was just done. I couldn't. I just, I couldn't believe it. I thought that was the most wonderful thing I've ever heard. Today. On this bonus episode, we're going to feature some of the best, Robert Kennedy stories and speeches that we couldn't fit into the show. I think we have to be angry. You're not of the injustice that still exist within our own country and all around the world to speak out and do something about them. I'm extra Pontiac. You're listening to the RFK tapes. And how did you meet Robert Kennedy. Why do the Kennedy family of in the fifties? I think the first time I met Robert candidate was nineteen fifty six. This is William vanden whoville. He was special assistant to Robert Kennedy and a close friend in the Kennedy family in nineteen sixty four. The DNC the famous thing Bobby introduces the film about or. Canes. Tell me about that would Lennox city. It was the democratic national convention. On August twenty seven nineteen sixty four just nine months after president. John F Kennedy's assassination, Robert Kennedy introduced a tribute to his brother. But as he came in to the hall. There was a twenty three minute ovation. Most extrordinary thing to witness people literally crying. It was the first real upper -tunities that those who had worked in political era of Kennedys had to say how much grief they carried with them on this. Maybe. Cami. I want to. Thank all of you. For all that you did president John f. Kennedy not only had his own principles, our own idea, but he had the strength of the Democratic Party so that when he became president, he wanted to do something for the mentally ill for those who are not covered by social security for those who are not receiving adequate minimum wage. Those who did not have adequate housing for our fellow citizens who are not quite who had difficulty living in the society who all this again, Kate. It was beautiful speech and quoted Shakespeare things that you don't hear anymore in politics. Gudiev when he showed. Taking in cut him out in the star, and he shall make the face of seven. So fond, all the world would be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun. I realize as an individual really. Realize that the individual even more important political party and the country econ just. We must look to the future. It was singled moved gratifying expression. That I had ever seen. By a political body in this case of conviction for someone that was not candidate or whatever it was something else. And what do you think men for him personally. Well, I think he he was reassured that the and soul of the Democratic Party was still Kennedy. And. I mean, everybody just assumed he was going to be a candidate for president. And four years later Senator Robert Kennedy was a candidate for president. The very first major speech of the campaign. It was in Kansas at Kansas state university by now. Adam walinsky was one of Kennedy's speech writers, and they were working on the first major speech of the campaign. It was to be given on March eighteenth nineteen sixty eight. And there was one subject that Kennedy knew he needed to address the Vietnam war. He said, now, you know, he said, I was in those meetings. I was there in those discussions and so we're going to talk about that. I've got to go in there and make sure they know that I'm not trying to hide from that. I was. I was part of. And so that's how we started speech. Let me begin this discussion where I know both personal and public. I was involved in many of the early decision on at Phnom decisions which helps that on our president. Pasta is no excuse. For its own perpetrate topically. All man state. But a good when he knows this is wrong and he repairs the evil. The only thing that is pry. On any speaks. And it was a good speech. It was really tough speech, and it said that things that had to be said, you know, he talks about the fact you may remember there was a. There was a village those full of Viet Cong and air cab. No, blew them out. An American commander that if the destroyed the tau in order to say Dan. Dan becomes necessary to destroy all Vietnam. In order to save. We'll we here in the United States. Will we do that that is that what we for? I believe that's true. We are gained, you are Dell's, went on tell was really, really Adam. Could feel that you know, if you're if you're speaking, if you can't feel the audience. You should be another line of work. He could feel. Audience, though I come here today to this great university to your l. our country is in danger, not just from foreign enemy, but Abobo from our own guy policy there, they contest. Not for the rule of America, but for the heart America. So I l. We are in the city and the home state in the town on it. Contributing your concern, your warning of the danger of when we are doing and. From what we can do. You I l. You know when he got to end of it. And said, you know, you give me your hand. Her help. And we will have a new. Guy I played give you give me your if you give me your that I will work with you while they knew America. Thank you very. Which is stolen. Fi, he understood how a real political figure should act. He understood. What it meant to ask other people to follow him and to listen to him. And that was the same human being that would go out and migrant labor camps and upstate New York, or the shacks in rural Mississippi or whatever it was, or the guy who could go out as you know, and talked to a big crowd of lack people from ghetto in Indianapolis. When. Morton's king was assassinated. On April fourth nineteen sixty eight in Indianapolis, Robert Kennedy gave one of his most famous speeches, Adam Alinsky was there, but he's the first to admit that he didn't write a word of it. I'd written some stuff on a scratch pad. I was elsewhere in. We were driving me to get frantically to get me to beat him at the where the speech was going to be given. So I. Give these pathetic pieces of paper to he didn't need him. He just brushed them side because he knew in his head what he was going to do. To his dark. It was really dark. There weren't a lot of streetlights. The crowd was just a Marge indistinct mass of people. And they didn't know about this. They didn't know that Martin Luther King it and shot. And killed at no idea and did no, but we can suspect that there were a lot of people in that crowd would brought chains. They brought gasoline cans. There were guns in there. There was a lot of stuff there. And potential. It wasn't as if there hadn't been the country by that time had been through a lot of rhines. You know, the then mayor of Indianapolis was threatening to have fire hoses out and fire trucks and everything to keep Robert Kennedy from going near and speaking because he was so afraid that that would lead to violence right there. Was there any whether he was going to go on. Never was in his mind. There's a, there's a flatbed truck which had been parked. There has a platform because they're no platform the end. There's just a bunch of people milling around. It was. There was a lot of confusion and people didn't know. So you can hear on the tape saying today? No. Gets tore. No, they don't. Ladies and gentlemen. I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening because I. Some very sad news for all of you. You know, he started out saying, I have some very sad news for you and for all those who live peace in this country around. Around. And people who love peace all over the world. And that is that Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight a method. The news. Made its way through the crowd. The people at the back of the crowd were still celebrating. So you didn't know you could just sort of see and feel the news making its way, and you could kind of feel people coming to grips with Martin Luther King. Dedicated his life. To love and to Justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day. This difficult time for the United States. It's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are. What direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black. And are tempted to failed with filled with hatred and mistrust. Of the injustice of such an act. Against all white people. I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart, the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed. But he was killed while white man. And you hear him talking to them about what his own loss meant to him. How you felt after his brother was killed. Which he had never talked about before. We have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand. To get beyond go beyond these raw, the difficult times, and that was where he quoted escalates. My favorite poet was escalates, and he wants wrote. Even in our sleep pain, which cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the heart until in our own despair. Against our wheel comes wisdom through the awful grace of God. Until in our despair against our will. Comes wisdom. Awful grace of God. There isn't. Not only is an American politician. I don't know. There's a human being. Who at that moment. That crowd. Could have reached back into his memory and into his own art and come up with those words. And that's why. She was. You're replaceable. Coming up with your l. we can win here and we went here in autumn winning. California will too. The campaign goes to Oregon. Just like it's a level. Sure. Inveigle. This is Steve Eisenberg. Nineteen sixty eight. He was working for the office of the mayor of New York City, but he wanted to work on Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign. So we talked to his boss who talked to the mayor who talked to Kennedy's close aide William vanden Heuvel who'll told him tell the kid you get on get on the next plane to Portland. You know, I really fuckin- ideal. I'm getting into and I fly to Portland. Kennedy was campaigning in the Oregon primary once Eisenberg landed in Portland. He met up with another Kennedy aide named John Douglas. He brought me into a room which was covered baps and looked up and said, do we have a county open, turned out the just outside of Portland, a small county with no one running nothing. And in two minutes, that was my county. Is in Berg, became the coordinator of the Kennedy campaign for Columbia County in the northwest corner of Oregon. Well, how do this. Really had no idea. He was given a few hundred bucks and told the set up shop in town called Saint Helen's a really tiny town. As you came off the highway to turn into Saint l. there was a building that just had an empty office. I saw how much rent he goes like. Goes like thirty dollars a week. I take it and it was perfect. I've got an office to certainly get telephones. We're my good get people to come into headquarters. Saigo I gotta do this over the radio Eisenberg went to the local radio station, put out a call for volunteers. I say, why am. Opening headquarters, I say where this is, and we really would like volunteers and the guy goes, does doesn't matter. Holding. I don't care. That day after school. Fifteen kids, twelve your soul. Is Enberg called his young workforce, the Kennedy action core. So I tell them goodbye, zillion index cards and every index card cut out the name of a registered democrat from the roles, get the phone number. Okay, here's got to cut the Sout pace this, and I want you to make a call. I'm gonna show you how to make a call you just guess stuff. And I started to really drive around the county. I went into some places where the unions Riveria heavy into manufacturing in the rest of it, and I started really get a feel for something which was that, you know, as in so many states, we know you got the big city in Portland, but you have the rest of the state. Now we'll come to the sort of more punchline. I bump into John Douglas. Again, John Douglas was the Kennedy aide who had given Eisenberg is county and keesa. How's it going and everything? And I told him, he sounds great. I said, you know, I really think Senator Kennedy needs to get. Outta Portland more. You know, he goes well, okay. Come to Benson hotel for clock after. So I do something you never forget. Take me upstairs and suddenly we're in the bedroom of Senator Kennedy. And Kennedy is sitting on the bed with, you know, just kind shoes off. Kenny looks over and goes, so you're the guy that wants to ruin my afternoon tomorrow. So I don't get nap. I said yesterday said, well, the case for go in there. I said, well, it president Kennedy had campaign. I promise I'm gonna give you a great crowd, and he just looked up and said asleep tomorrow. Now. I mean, I was like, so hyped up. I go right to the review station attention attention, clubby county and surrounding areas tomorrow afternoon Senator. Robert F Kennedy will be here in Saint l. Kennedy action core report immediately after school. The next afternoon Eisenberg told the Kennedy action core, what to do when they saw the motorcade driving through town. Here's what I want you to do. You've got your bicycles. I said, as the car comes down, I want you to be on corner. Get all of you up there. You know be waving to as goes past you, right? You're school two more blocks ERC, and then the basic thing I then godless. Moving crowd. Exactly. You see this paper wanna see, this is one. I mean you could take a look at this. You know these yellow sheets fifty years old. This is local local. High school. Now here it is. Here's the picture in the paper, a right done as fast as they could get it out. Pictures of, you know. Look at look at the crowd year in front of this city hall where he's speaking here. I am right here. Here's Bobby, and here's the headline childhood dream RFK pays Saint Helen's visit. What brought Kennedy to this smallish town. This late in perhaps crucial campaign every vote could count. Of course, this aside does Bobby Kennedy know that his late brother campaigned in Saint Helen's Steve Eisenberg loan to the Kennedy organization says he doesn't know it was purely a personal decision. It was just too good. A lot of time in Oregon. I believe Argun east people what happens future of the United States. None of these. The problem is not the problem. Fake divisions within our country, not. The fact is that I believe we can do that a lot. I l. your system, I think we can turn this around. Thank you. I have the following. Senator Eugene McCarthy theorists, congratulations to you. Enter your dedicated supporters on your victory here in Oregon. It's the first election Kennedy over loss. North Kennedy lost the democratic primary in Oregon, but Eisenberg's hard work didn't go unnoticed that night about two thirty in the morning. Phone ring. Avoided? Steve is Bob Kennedy. We lost tonight. But four counties one and one was years. He said, I have a memory like an elephant. Goodnight. What. Will come off that is funny. The Oregon. Thank very big, win, spectacular, win on. The badly. Listen, we could go on forever. Speechwriter Adam walinsky I know that there a stories that. Things that were really. Almost. So wonderful as to make them hard to describe. There's a picture over there. That's Robert Kennedy. After one of the things he'd seen somewhere and he's thinking about it and you can see he used to really get trouble. He would lose sleep. He would lie there at night. Thinking about these people who were in trouble here suffering there where these kids getting napalm on in Vietnam or the ones who didn't have enough to eat. In West Virginia or whatever it was. Those were the kinds of things really, really troubled him and then he would find couldn't get to sleep. Holiday today, you think any of them are losing sleep. Over what's happening or might be happening to my grandchildren. Got to be dreaming. It makes you realize how stunningly fortunate you were to get to work with and for. Robert F Kennedy. And how dreadfully. Unfortunate. It's been. That the country has not had him. Since I in Los Angeles. Fun to three. Have the nightwatchman st-. Crime town is me Zach, stra Pontiac and marks Merlin the RFK tapes is made in partnership with cadence. Thirteen. Bonus content check out our website at RFK tapes dot com. Close in the hotel. This episode was produced by Louis COPA, and Kevin shepherd, we'll our senior producer is Austin Mitchell's editing by Marx, Merlin fact checking by Jennifer Blackman. This was mixed by Ernie internet music by Kenny cusak additional music by John QC. The country lost it. So our title track is Maria tambien Krung. Our credit track this week is impassive or hotel like Gabriel, cocaine. Through the tomorrow agrees to. No. Music supervision by Josh Kessler and Dylan Bostick at heavy duty projects are Kyle footage courtesy of the California state archives and the JFK presidential library archival research Sipe Brennan Reese. Our website is designed by Kurt Courtney. Thanks to Emily wiediman greencard card pictures on Joe. Santo Peter Elman, Chris is in Burke, Michael Schwartz, Murray rectal and the team at canes, thirteen. Stripped, if you like the RFK tapes, please consider leaving us a rating and review on apple podcasts, but wherever you listen, it really helps others find out about the show. You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at the RFK tapes. Thanks. We're back next week with another new bonus episode. Now, the.

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S04 Episode 9 Extra: Forewarning Signs

Unexplained

16:20 min | 2 years ago

S04 Episode 9 Extra: Forewarning Signs

"Today's episode of unexplained sponsored by season to a family ghosts. A podcast takes a closer look at the legendary tales that shape our family histories and investigates, the mystery behind family law. You episodes of season to come out, every Wednesday with stories like the secrets revealed by long-lost stack of love letters, the LA times calls family ghosts a quirky meditation. Subscribe now to family ghosts wherever you get your podcast. welcome to unexplained extra with me. Richard McLean Smith with the weeks in between episodes. We look at stories and ideas that one Reznor other didn't make it into the previous show in last week's episode darkness. Incite be explored the harrowing tragedy, which has since become known as the apathetic disaster in which a hundred sixteen children, and twenty eight adults were killed by collapsed spoil he in nineteen sixty six. A tribunal set up in the immediate. Aftermath of the tragedy established that the national co board who are responsible the spoilt it had been given consistent warnings of the dangers it posed, but routinely ignored them. It was only a few weeks after the spoil collapse. The other four warnings of a slightly more bizarre nature began to emerge. In a series of extraordinary proclamations people from up and down the country claim to experienced visions of the disaster. Most often in their dreams in the days leading up to it. Two children killed in the landslide. Ten year old era may Jones and eight year old Paul Davies her also said to fulfil in the event. These stories were brought to light by radicals psychiatrists, Dr John Barker during an unusual experiment, which he conducted shortly after the tragedy. At the time barcode had been researching a book about the apparent phenomenon of what he called psychic death in which victims of it with ought to have literally scared themselves to death. Barker heard reports that one of the young victims from Bevan had been completely unharmed, by the spoil, only to die from shock. A short time later. It was while visiting the village to investigate this story only days after the event that Barker, I learned at the strange rumors of portents and premonitions. Haunted, and moved by what he saw in van Barker had a curious idea if premonition were possible he thought white the be away to harness its power to prevent such terrible tragedy from occurring in future. It was an idea that some believe may have contributed to Barca's own premature death. Only a few years later. born in nineteen twenty two as a child. John, Charles Barker was dedicated in straight laced student making his way to Cambridge University before qualifying as a doctor of medicine in nineteen forty eight. Bacha would go onto a stab himself as a highly credible and innovative psychiatrist being mostly celebrated for his pioneering work on a version therapy. However, it was a career in which by his own admission. He was often torn between conscious rationalism and a fascination with the supernatural. Writing in his nineteen. Sixty eight book scared to death. Barker believed this conflict, I of rose after learning of the curator, Colt happenings, that his father claimed to have experienced while fighting the first World War. Knowing his father to be a usually matter-of-fact individual. These stories had always stuck with him. Sometime later Barker became convinced that he possessed, a mild extrasensory perception of his own in which he was able to sense. Impending disaster. It was his fascination with the potential for ESP the drew him to the concept of psychic day, believing some as yet, unknown effect of ESP might be responsible for it. Though he believed he had seen similar in patients of his own Barca's interest in the idea intensified after reading of peculiar case published in the British medical journal in nineteen sixty five. The case vote of forty three year old woman who had undergone up ration- for a minor gynecological problem with the operation successfully completed the patient who had no other underlying issues. Regained consciousness, only to die an hour later after suffering, a rare hemorrhage Rotan by shock as it transpired when the patient was five years old. She had been told by a fortune teller that she would die at the age of forty three. The night before surgery. She had subsequently insisted to her sister that she would not be surviving the operation. Thinking this might be a case of psychic death Barker exchanged a series of letters through the British medical journal with the patients doctors, the letters intern brought Barker detention of pita fairly who was science correspondent of the London paper Evening Standard at the time. Fairly was intrigued by Bacchus position as a medical professional with an interest in supernatural, the pair, Judy became acquainted, and it was two fairly who Barca turned in nineteen sixty six when he had his brainwave regarding the potential power of premonitions. Kiwi. Co creates cool hands on projects for kids that make learning about steam fun with a Kiwi co subscription each month. The kid in your life will receive a fun engaging, new project, which will help, develop their creativity and confidence every crate includes all the supplies needed for that month project detailed easy to follow instructions and an educational magazine to learn even more about that crates, theme Kiwi coat inspires kids to see themselves as makers and tinkerers and is on a mission to empower kids, not just to make a project, but to make a difference Kiwi code is offering unexplained listeners the chance to try them for free to redeem this offer and learn more about their projects for kids of all ages. Visit Kiwi co dot com slash unexplained podcast. That's K. I w icy, oh dot com slash unexplained podcast. having rumors that the Aberfan disaster had been foreseen by a number of its local residents Baca realized given the scale emotional resonance of the tragedy. The to be a perfect case study around week to see if anyone else had sensed it too. And so it was the twenty eighth of Tober nineteen sixty six an appeal was launched on behalf of Barker by fairly in the Evening Standard asking anyone to get in touch who believed that they had experienced a premonition of the app fan disaster. Within two weeks. Barker had received seventy six replies out of those sixteen discarded immediately the rest, which were mostly taken from dreams were recessed for their credibility. According to the criteria established by parapsychologist, GW Lambert previous year which included most fundamentally the premise, it'd be reported to credible witness before the event took place, the time interval between the dream and the event should be short. And that's the foreseen event should be something that would have been completely improbable to the time in total. Dr Barca found thirty five accounts to be worth noting, including those of ever may Jones, Caroline Miller, and Mary Hennessy mentioned in the previous episode. The van experiment convinced Barker, the premise was a real phenomena and one that if managed properly could ultimately be used to save people from similar disasters in future. January nineteen sixty seven Barker announced the launch of his premonitions bureau, a public repository for the nation's pre coke native dreams in which anyone who felt they had experienced a premonition was encouraged to call or write in and tell him about it. Within two days Barker received twenty different warnings of impending disaster. But it wasn't until a few months later, that he received what appeared to be genuine hit. It came from Allen, hinder forty four year old telephone operator from Essex, who had been one of the original dreamers from the app of an experiment, Hench claimed to have experienced a vision of a plane crash of the mountains, killing around one hundred twenty four people. The call was received on March twenty first. The following month. The Swiss globe air flight on route from Bangkok to Basel crashed into a hill in Cyprus, while attempting Burchett's landing. One hundred twenty six people were killed. Over the next eighteen months Barca's premonitions bureau received countless, counts of potential permissions. With varying degrees of accuracy. Alan hinder would go on to become one of its most frequent and seemingly accurate contributors, along with one other Lorna Middleton. Middleton was born in Massachusetts. The later moved to north London had also been one of the original participants with the ABA van experiment counting in her own prediction, premonition, a few years later Middleton had been suffering a restless night on the eve of the call disaster before, waking at six AM with choking sensation convinced the walls caving in on her. However, it was her prediction of the assassination of Robert Kennedy June nine hundred sixty seven that most impressed, Dr Bacher. Middleton's powered premonition again, in March nineteen sixty seven with the constant appearance of the word assassination in her dreams and thoughts, believing it to have something to do with Robert Kennedy. When Dr Martin Luther King junior was assassinated three weeks later Middleton. Assumed it was his day that she had in fact been for seeing. However a week later Middleton again became preoccupied with the notion of assassination. On June the fourth she wrote to Dr Bacher, declaring simply that she had said to nother assassination and again in America. In the early hours of the following day. Robert Kennedy was assassinated at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. Back in the early hours of April twenty first nineteen sixty seven Allen Henchi called Bacher warning him to check his guests apply immediately the previous day Henger had had a vision involving a dark colored car, which he interpreted as a sign of imminent danger to Dr Barker. Fortunately, for Barca there was no gas supply to his home. You paused on the other end of the line. And then asked do you have dot colored car? Barker thought for a moment before realizing he did. It was dark green. Hedger ended the cool by telling Barca to look after himself. The morning after henches phone call. Barco was sufficiently unsettled by his leading Sears premonition that he made note of it in a short memo declaring it having recently written a book on people who are scared to death. I am behalf beginning to feel, what that would be like. And as noted in a recent New Yorker article about Barca's life written by staff writer Sam night, the premonitions didn't end there. The following year. Henchi repeated his concern to Barca that his life was in danger, and then in February Lorna Middleton also experienced vision of Barker, involving her deceased parents, which he took to be an ominous message concerning the doctor. A few weeks later, a fire broke out at Shelton hospital in Shrewsbury where Dr Barca work. The Baka wasn't present at the time. Twenty four patients were killed. In late July not long after her parents successful premonition regarding Robert Kennedy Middleton had another dream involving her deceased parents. She informed the premonitions bureau about it the following day. Three weeks later. The forty four year old John Barker with rushed to hospital having collapsed at his home. Balka who had suffered a massive and inoperable brain. Hemorrhage was pronounced dead soon after. According to New Yorker writer Sam night, the same day that buck died Lorna Middleton snapped awake nearly morning gossiping for breath and crying out for help. If you enjoy listening to explain and would like to help support, it's you can now go to explain podcasts dot com forward slash support. All donations no matter how large or small a massively appreciate. All elements of unexplained produced by me. Richard McLean Smith. Please inscribed rate, the show on I choose and feel free to get in touch with any thoughts. Right. Is regarding the stories. You've heard on the show. Baps you have an explanation of your own you'd like to share. You can reach his online unexplained podcasts dot com. Twitter at unexplained and Facebook at Facebook dot com. Forward slash unexplained. Kiwi. Co creates cooled hands on projects for kids that make learning about steam fun with a Kiwi co subscription each month the kid in your life will receive a fun engaging, new project, which will help develop their creativity and confidence every crate includes all the supplies needed for that month project detailed easy to follow instructions and an educational magazine to learn even more about that crates, theme Kiwi coat and spies kids to see themselves as makers and tinkerers and on a mission to empower kids, not just to make a project, but to make a difference Kiwi code is offering unexplained listeners the chance to try them for free to redeem this offer and learn more about their projects for kids of all ages. Visit Kiwi co dot com slash unexplained podcast. That's K. I w icy, oh dot com slash unexplained podcast.

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Does My Story Matter?

Uncensored Advice For Men

28:51 min | 1 year ago

Does My Story Matter?

"Fellas welcome back to uncensored advice for man. My Name's Josh I'm your host on today show. We have Mr. Robert Kennedy the third coming on the show. Robert Welcome to censored advice for men. Hey, I'm glad to be here. Man Glad to have you here, so tell us a little bit about who you are. What you do and what's What's on your mind? Well my name's Robert Kennedy the third arcade three is what they call me as you said man I work with organizational leaders on communication, leaders need to communicate their ideas with confidence at work with them on how to do that from the stand up version of it, too, it may be the slides, or whatever collateral they use, but ultimately it comes down to delivering your messages with confidence and authenticity man. Awesome now why do organizational leaders and influencers? Why do they need to be able to tell a story like what what's? What's in it for them? Like? Why do they need this? One word, connection connection, and we we, we are overwhelmed with data and information especially in organizations when they want to share some information with you, they chuck a bunch of charts at you. Chuck a bunch of tables, numbers Blah Blah Blah Blah and I. Don't know how many meetings you've been to where you like crap. Why the heck am I here man? This sucks I. Don't want to be here anymore, and it's just boring information. So how does a leader? Convince people. How do they influence people? How do they motivate them and inspire them to do stuff? If they're like sleeping or if they're bored out of their minds, so what better way to connect with people than through storytelling people wanNA. Know that your your in the pits with. They want to know that you have experienced the thing that they're experiencing and that. You felt the feelings that they have that. They're feeling as well so you do that through storytelling, you know we. We've done it for for years man. We do it around the Thanksgiving table with do it around Campfire at Cetera so stories are really one of the best ways to connect with people. That's awesome. Now now share an example of like something that you know. Storytelling is super for, and that will help gain influence, and in in gain. Buying from you know from the team. Well I think there's there's multiple examples. I, I'm I'M A Christian right? And so one of the things that I always refer to his biblical stories. People talk about Jesus just just sharing a bunch of stuff, but he told parables right, and that's and that's how he really got points across to people I. Look at some of our greatest leaders I look back at some of. Of the president's that people like resonate with right, those were that there were storytellers. Go back to like the one of the first presidents that I that I really remember from from when I was a kid Ronald Reagan right Ronald Reagan was a storyteller, he he. He told stories he was. He was a movie star. He was an actor, so storytelling was like in his DNA. And, so that was one of the reasons that that people resonated with him. Some of the president's and some of the leaders woods Winston Churchill some of the leaders that we resonate with are some of the greatest storytellers you can imagine. All right so when you're when you're sharing a story, you know one of the things that you and I were talking about. You say you gotTA. You gotta own your story. The good, the bad, the ugly rightly. You gotta own your story now. What if you got a little bit of a dark story lake? How do you? You're saying kind of own it. How do you communicate that you know as your as you're pushing through well, so the story might be dark, but where you are right now because you've pushed through it, because you've conquered some of it or because you've been able to to navigate some of it isn't dark, so your your revelation are. What's your sharing with? People is like yeah, been through some crazy. I've been through some stuff, but you can make it right and here's what happens a lot of times. We think our story is is dark, and maybe nobody wants to hear, but your story is just what somebody else needs to hear in order for them to say. Say Dude Wow. You know what I was getting ready to do this yesterday. I was getting ready to pack it it. I was getting ready to give up. I was getting ready to say I. Don't want to do to sing anymore right, but they hear you and they see you and they see that you even have a little crack a smile on your face after going through what you went through this Maybe I can hang out one more day. Maybe I, maybe I can push forward for another hour or another minute, or whatever it is because this dude Joss right here just told me something and I'm like. Yeah Josh. Joss, Jospin Smile I certainly can crack a little bit of a smile man right so it sounds like you know someone, story, a story of pain or triumph, for or things that we've learned passed down, and what it can do is to give hope inspiration to especially as guys could give hope and inspiration to another due to push through the darkness one more day. Absolutely now. How do you use this in your in your own life? Well it's. It's one of the one of the things that as as men we don't often do is celebrate even some of the things that we've gone through right and. I. Use it in my life to to look back and see. What are some of the challenges that I have overcome, what are some? What are some of the winds that I've had in my life because life can beat you down if you let it. If you, wake up every day and you're only looking at crap. This stinks. This sucks I. Don't WanNa do this. All my Gosh, we got this bill. O., somebody's criticizing or complaining about this and want you to do this. Oh, my gosh is just it's. It's another list of thing. What are the wins? What are the things that that you you can look back at and say Whoa? My hands were up raised in victory I. I did that was pretty cool at did that that day right? If you can remember and reflect on those moments and those stories it's it's like every time you think about something. Positive there these hormones that go through your body. You've got these endorphins that that are starting to took to percolate a little bit right, and the more that you do that, the easier it is for you to navigate some of the negative situations. At it, so. As you're sharing a story, can you give us an example of a that you do have like a few go to stories that you kind of bring out like that help. You resonate with a specific audience like. Do you have a few ghost? Goto stories of triumph. And Victory Oh yeah, in the spot to, and so here's here's a a lot of times. People don't tell stories because they feel like well dude I don't have I didn't go to War I didn't get my arm shot off I didn't i. don't have this thing. I was born without like an ear nose, and so we Kinda keep our stories in, because we don't think that there are dramatic, enough or traumatic enough, and they don't matter, but the truth is there little things I mean. There's a story that I tell all the. The time and I didn't tell it a lot because I didn't think it mattered and made a big deal until two years ago, I told it to one of my mastermind groups and they're like dude. Why didn't you tell that story before right? And so I was I was about eight years old, and I lived in Montreal Canada at the time, and I had I was born on the island, of Jamaica so, so as a kid. We didn't learn how to ride bicycles. So at eight years old I couldn't ride a bicycle. So I'm at a friend's house and we are where there and we see these kids outside writing. I'm like dude. I WANNA. Ride a bicycle I said. How'd you learn how to ride a bike? And he says and he points out the window and he's. He shows me some kids and their kids out there and their parents are pushing them on the bicycle. Here's the problem that we had. This was back in the day when you leave eight nine year, olds at home by themselves, and we didn't have any parents at home at the time. I've got to learn how to ride a bicycle today, so we go into the garage. He takes his bike and he takes off down the street. His sister bikes in the garage now, so I take sisters, bike and I go i. don't read yeah, of course right and so of course I'm like I fall on the ground. So what I notice is that this was back in the day eighties where the it was those ranch houses, and and the garage was underneath it, so the driveway was a sloped down into the garage, and so I figured that I could just get on the bike and allow it to coast Donald into the garage and would be easier for me to keep my balance so sure enough I did. Did that and I'm able to coast down into the garage and do this a few times and I start to turn I started to a few things, and I start to put my feet on the pedals and pick up a little bit of speed, so after about half an hour gotten pretty proficient at this got pretty good at it, and I said. Let me take my show to the streets. So I take the bike out, and I get it onto the street and I start to ride and is a little bit wobbly, but what I noticed that at the end of the block. There's this hill. So I. Take the bike, and I push it to the end of the hill to the end of the street, and I purchased at the top of the hill take a deep breath, and I get myself ready I push off and I. Let the bike start to coast down the hill. Put My feet on the pedals, and of course the bike is starting to pick up speed so starting to pick up speed starting to go faster, and my feet are spinning on the pedals and pretty soon. The bike is going so fast that my feet fly off the pedals and I can't really keep up with the pedals anymore. About this time. I noticed that down at the bottom of the hill. There's this intersection right, and so I'm going down this hill speeding down this hill and I remember that this is something that I did not teach myself in the garage. Yourself how a break! which is important riding bike. So, I'm like Oh man. What am I going to do here? So I'm speeding down towards this intersection, and just before we get to the intersection I noticed that there's this big lawn, and so I kind of Swat swing the bike over to the lawn. The bike goes sprawling onto the lawn I. I'm flying. Go into a fence and there's mud and dirt on my face, but I grow over and I. Get up and look at the top of the hill, and my friends looking down at me and he's like crab with that guy. And I raised my hands your because I rode the bike. Rode the bike downhill at a made it down in one piece right so I use that story in a lot of business situations because I say hey, first of all. Some! You're going to want to do something and somebody's going to tell you that there's only one way to do it. Somebody's GonNa tell you that the only way to do it is by having your parents. Push you or by having your boss. Do this way or by having this specific company do this, and then you're gonNA figure out that there's another way to do. Do it, and it's not going to be perfect, but you're gonNA. Go Down and you'RE GONNA. Push your bike to the top of the hill, the and GonNa start going down the hill. Your projects going to get started. You're going to get started in this process. You're going to get started doing something and partway through that process. You're gonNA realized that you forgot something. But you're already in the middle of it. The trains already started. You're going down this hill and the pedals are spinning, and this dog on thing is already in motion, and you can't stop at this point and Oh, by the way you're going to recognize that there's this big obstacle coming up. You're going to see this big trap. There's a big intersection coming up and it could be very dangerous and you have no idea what to do with it. Right, so you're GONNA have to figure out how to navigate on the fly. You're going to have to figure out where the closest lawn is. You're going to have to figure out where the closest landing spot is and guess what that landing spot is not going to be perfect. You might end up on the lawn. You might end up with mud in your face, but when you do that now you've got to look for the good in. That was the winning. That was the celebration in that. Yes, or your hands up I one our road. I made it down the hill. Where here in one piece? And we lived to do another day. So! That's kind of something that I share with audiences quite a bit man. What a great story so! Here's if you, if you take that same story right and we tell it a different way. Right man I didn't I never learned how to ride a bike. Other kids got to learn bike I i. didn't have that privilege bikes, or or you know parents weren't home to watch us or whatever, and then I didn't have a bike of my own, so I had to write a girls by. Post. And then Oh. Man, we don't have any flat ground to to ride bike or Hilton. You know and then man I crashed and it was over. You redeemed the story. All the way through, and you turned it into a victory. Now. Give give good guys out there you know especially as we have these stories in our life we're. We're in the middle of that mud. We just crashed a bike. Our faces up against the fence. We got mud and shit all over our face, and we got friends up at the hill going Oh my God right and we're right in the middle of that crash. How do we take that story? And turn it to away. That serves us in serves the people that we serve. We gotta look at where you're coming from him. So whether you're crashed or not, you gotta look. You gotTA realize. Hey half an hour ago an hour ago fifty minutes ago, I couldn't do crap. I wasn't writing I didn't know how to do. I wasn't even in a position to get in trouble. I was I was in my safety zone. I was chilling in the living room, watching Scooby Doo. Something that was totally not where I am now so I've got to always look for the silver lining I've got to look for the Progress I've got to look for what was the thing that I did better today. What was the thing that I grew on today that I was not doing yesterday? That's good now just to recap a few words that you said that I thought were important for the guys to hear you, said the word, doggone and Scooby Doo. Your product of the eighties, aren't you do? All Right. Just had the point that Al Right. So our three Mr Robert Kennedy. For leaders out there who are afraid of public speaking man. It's one of the. Top Five fears right. Death public, speaking in probably get in. I don't know getting hurt some way. I don't know. I didn't do my research on. Adam sandlers got this thing where he's like. If you had a funeral, most people would rather be in the casket then giving the eulogy. It's true well. Gosh it, but so for guys out there. Who are like all right? I do have some valuable things that I. either have to, because it's my job. I'm dealing called to do it because I feel it's maybe the part of my purpose, or maybe just people need to. Maybe people need to hear this message, but they're going Oh my God I'm. I'm so scared at sharing my story man. What advice do you have for these guys because they're paralyzed on top of the hill on girls by looking down in a friends are staring at him right like how do we what advice you have? These guys well. There's a lot of advice man. It could vary anywhere the the pool. Analogy Dude jumped the hell in. Right it could be literally just just you know dive into the deep end, and you have no option other than to swim to the edge, or or get your find some way to get this. That's one option. The other option is you don't necessarily have to get on a stage in front of ten thousand people immediately. It might be saying you know what listen I'm going to do a facebook live. Live for like five minutes just to chat to some people or it might be. I'm going to start out with writing. Maybe I WANNA do a blog post. Maybe I want to share something. That is less I don't have the the pressure attached to it I won't see phases in front of me and I won't say expressions where I'm fearing the criticism, so let me just write stuff down. The only obstacle I've gotta go get get. Past is hitting that publish button. All right so what? What whatever it is, do something. Do something. It doesn't have to be the biggest thing immediately, but it's gotta be something you've got to be de dedicated. You gotTa commit yourself and decide that you know what I'm no longer going to stay in the same place. I'm no longer satisfied with status quo I'm no longer satisfied with just chilin and sitting on the couch, and being right where I am. I've decided that I'm GonNa make impact I've decided. I'm going to make a difference in Israel and the only way for me to do that. Doggone it there we go is is by decided. I'M GONNA take even small imperfect. O! Oh, small I'm going to commit to small. Imperfect Action Yeah. I love that so. I speak with a lot of dudes right because I have a show made for guys, so I I to talk to a lot of great coaches, both male and female and but I have a lot of guys in my audience I talked with her that I work with and one of the things that i. hear consistently because they told me I'm like man. Have you ever if your story or you know and they're like? Yeah, you know. I'd really like to write a book, but. Nobody wants to hear what I got to say, right? Do you hear that often I i. do here's the thing I use I use another story as an example so I used to be a teacher, I taught physics and biology in high school for for about seven years. And every year as I'm teaching a concept, there is a student in my classroom different name, but this kid exists every year. There's a student that says I'LL GET IT MR K.. Explains I'll get it. Mr K. and then I'll search my mind. Okay, let me think of another way to explain them I figure out some other way to explain it and I say it and I'm thinking like GonNa get this on good. It was K. and I start looking for a third way so I go through my memory banks, and my mind is like literally flipping through pages and I about a third way to explain this thing and I'm like. Yes, they're GONNA get it this time and I give it to him I'll get at Mr K.. Every year. Either right to the student or from across the classroom comes another student who says exactly what I said to the student and the student that didn't get it as immediately like Oh. Okay, why don't you say it like that and I'm like dude? That's exactly what I said. Yeah. Yeah, the point there is that. My voice may not be the voice. That's a sign to that person. For that moment there's a voice. Your Voice is assigned to somebody, specific or specific type of person. They're somebody that can. Hear what they need to hear from you. Right and so so it doesn't matter how big your story is. It doesn't matter how important you think it is. It doesn't even matter if you think they will listen to you or not. It's just that you've got to share it because you might not know it immediately, or you might not get that reception or response immediately, but you're going to get a response at some point that may encourage your that you may recognize Oh. My Gosh I got through. It was like three years ago. I'm on a one of my students Texas me or send me a message on facebook. And he's like Mr K. I just wanted to share with you that I'm just finishing a working on my doctorate and I am running for mayor. Yes out! And this is like dude. I remember this guy. I don't get it and. He was one of them. Yeah I, remember this kid. He was like six to freshmen in highschool, six to like two hundred and twenty pounds right, and but he was not real swift as far as schoolwork goes, and so he got teased by about that, and so I stuck with him. I don't even remember all the words that I said to him, but I remember this kid. And, this is like eighteen years later. He's like. Mr. K. I'm running for mayor. Right so so you're going to share stuff. You're GonNa tell your story and you may not get the response immediately, but know that it's impacting somebody. Yeah! I think the guys all the guys. At least I talked with that they I think every guy has a book in him, or they want to talk on a podcast. They WANNA. Share their advice like I think there's something in our humanity. That wants to pass on something so that someone else could avoid pain or go further than right I. think that's that's wired in our gut like I mean think look at social media. Everybody's stone out their advice. Right so I think that there's something in there you. What I hear you saying is this. The story helps that message resonate with maybe different years. In helps push people, but you have to have that yet that that the components of a story, can you? Can you briefly describe like the? What are the components? Because you know you help? People tell their story. What are the components of a story to to think through? Yeah, well, also the the simple pieces of every story has four main elements. The first is setting. The second is character. The third is conflict, and the fourth is resolution. If you think about it every movie, every good story that you've. You've ever seen it's there's. It talks about what's happening. What's what's the context? What's going on right now? What's leading up to the the situation? There is also a character in it. There's all there's a main character. They're supporting characters. They are people in the story. Because we relate to characters, we can kind of put ourselves inside of the story because we're like. Wait a minute. That dude went through that. That girl went through that I understand how that feels, and we can connect to feelings because of characters. Then the third part is the conflict, and this is the thing that's broken. This is like the climax. This is the thing that's jacked up. This is the thing that is like okay If if this didn't exist, it would. You wouldn't be interesting to you. Right. It's about superman like if I told you this story I said Hey. There was this this kid and his parents sent him from another planet. He lands on Earth. He gets found in a field by these two farmers, and they grow him up, and he graduates from college, and he meets us. Lady starts working for a newspaper. Means this lady they get married and live happily ever after you're like dude, give me my dog on fourteen dollars back then sucks. Yeah. So we want, we want conflict. We want what something that's messed up. Something that needs to be fixed something where a hero is needed. Right, even if it's not a hero in person, it may be a hero in situation. It may be something that happens. That causes you to move through, and then the resolution is how it's fixed how it wraps up or how how you know. What's that need? Bow Tie on the end of this thing. What fixes everything so those are the four real elements of the story and you know we can kind of mix them up. They don't have to go in that specific order all the time, but those are the key elements that we've got to keep in our stories. And it's so good. We got five minutes left. Where where where would be a good place, let let let's make sure that we get this. Where's a good place for people to connect with you if they're like? I need I need to share my story right? There's something in me. That's just tug at my heart and I. I gotta get the story whether it's I won't talk about it, but I'll write it down right, or I'd rather talk about it, 'cause I'm not a good writer. Where can people find you to get some help on sharing their story? Well I'm easy to find man. I'm Robert Kennedy three like in every social media that you can think latest master I'm not on Tiktok. That you got some dance moves, you could take. Maybe a couple this one leg once thank you. Yes! Something, so yeah, I'm Robert, Kennedy three on Instagram on twitter on facebook and I have something called the storytellers growth lab at a group on facebook. Where do tips tricks and tutorials? Sometimes we do challenges, and we do trainings at least a couple of times a month about storytelling, and how to effectively share your ideas with others, so you can join that on facebook where you can simply go to storytellers, growth lab dot, com, and you can find me there. Yeah, that's awesome. So I I wanted to just name a few places where story? Learning to craft a story and share story might be valuable, so if guys listening. They're like okay cool. Is this for me right? So when I was working in venture, capital people are always pitching an idea so if you could wrap a great story in captivate an audience of investors, great right whether you're whatever sales people if you have to sell a product and get people to buy something if you're in sales or marketing, right even if you have to write copy for an email, right learning how to craft story obviously if you're an actor or any type of. Present, present, present or whatever you got. Yeah, what other what other people need to be able to craft a story? Well I'm married dude, so yeah. I've got I've gotTa have some good stories there. You know this is how my wife understand that I have emotions, too. Nice Oh! That'd be a great. Follow up interview. So talk about yeah, so yeah, I mean I think there are i. don't I cannot really think of any situations where you would not be benefitted by understanding the basics and the structures of good storytelling, so if you're in business, if you if you are going into an interview man if you are able to craft a good story in your interview that that really sells you to the interviewers. As well I used to be I was a real estate agent for about four or five years. Do I just kinda sell the features of the House or do I sell the emotions and the story that you can create with your family in that house in so I mean man what whatever career you are in I, mean Warren Buffett says the biggest thing that he ever did for himself was to invest in Dale Carnegie Public Speaking Course. Right and this was. This was not like while he was in college. This was way into his career and he's and he's telling college students. If you do this, you up your value by one hundred and fifty percent. Right, so being able to communicate tell stories speak well is one of the biggest and best things that you can do from for yourself. No matter what station in life you're in. That's awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome arcade three! Thank you so much for coming on the show sharing your your advice, your stories man captivating, awesome and. Guys listening into this show. We're going to be moving over to kind of live. Cuna afterwards with our inner circle of guys, but guys into this this podcast. You Know Art, my ask I do this. Every single time I ask is that you reach out to our guests and say hey. I heard you on the show. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for sharing some input, thank. Thank you for taking the time to invest in the audience right to invest in us, and if it what he said resonated with you and you need some help sharing your story, you need some help crafting that or in a way to express yourself. Reach out to arcade. Reach out to him and say Rut row. You know like I need you scooby Doo. That show all right, but guys. Thanks for listening in We'll see guys on the next episode and We're going to move over to live Cuny Robert Stand by one second guys talk to you soon.

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Remembering Legendary Journalist Pete Hamill

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Remembering Legendary Journalist Pete Hamill

"Earned from whyy in. Philadelphia. I'm Terry Gross with. Fresh air. Today, we remember journalists Pete Hamill, who died yesterday at age eighty five, he was described in the New York Times as the quintessential New York journalist he was a columnist and top editor at both the New York Post and the New York Daily News. He was a hero to his readers and to fellow journalists Hemel covered wars including. Vietnam. Crime Politics and the people. Of New York's five boroughs. He was friends with celebrities and became one himself. He helped convince his friend Robert Kennedy to run for president and on the night Kennedy was shot Hamill help tackle the assassin that night is one of the things will hear Hamill talk about along with being a hard drinking journalist who gave up drinking and his work at New York City tabloids. Support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation supporting whyy's fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. Today, we're going into our archive to remember journalists Pete Hamill. He died yesterday at age eighty five from complications following emergency surgery after falling and breaking a hip. Hammo was described in the New York Times as the quintessential New York Journalist Times columnist Dan Barry once wrote if the pavement of New York City could talk it would sound like Pete Hamill Hamill travel the world and covered wars including Vietnam. He was a columnist for the New York Post and the New York Daily News and served as the top editor at both papers. He was a friend of Robert Kennedy and helped convince him to run for president on the night Kennedy was shot. Ham almost one of the people who tackled the assassin his many awards included a grammy in nineteen seventy six for his liner notes for the Dylan album blood on the tracks and a George. Polk. Career Award in two thousand, fourteen for his lifetime contributions to journalism. In Hamels New York Times Obituary Robert McFadden wrote quote along with Jimmy Breslin Hammo popularized spare blunt style and columns of on the scene reporting in the voice of the working classes. He pounded out stories about murders strikes the world series, championship fights, jazz or politics, and then got drunk after work with buddies and Greenwich Village Unquote. The first of three interviews will here with him was recorded in nineteen, ninety four after the publication of his memoir, a drinking life in which he wrote about the culture of drink he was once part of and why he gave it up when we spoke he hadn't had a drink in twenty years. I asked him if he thought he helped create the myth of the hard drinking journalist. I don't think I created that myth but I, certainly inherited it. It was one of the things that I I loved about the idea of the newspaper man in the abstract I had seen all those newspaperman movies when I was a kid I The idea that you could hold your liquor and type of a new lead on a breaking story was one of the things that you wore like a badge of honor So I suppose during the period that I was drinking I I did help keep the myth going. My own way what kind of bars were good to hang out at when you were writing a story and what could you get from being in a bar when you were looking for leads? Well, the best barter hanging out in was one that had a typewriter on the premises. And I was not alone and having written stories actually in the basement of the lion said. I think the best newspaperman bars were not inhabited only by Newspaperman. But it did politicians hustlers of various kinds, actors, ball players you know a place that had an overlapping. system of the the categories that a newspaper is made up of It wasn't just simply cops in the front of the paper, but it was the ball players in the back of the paper, the actors in the middle of the paper and the politicians who if they were not in handcuffs were certainly at the bar. trying to promote themselves into eternity. Say You were investigating a murder in a Brooklyn neighborhood would you try to go to a bar in that neighborhood and hang out for a while so that you could find out well, almost always That was the way we operated in those days because New York at that time, I'm talking to the late fifties early sixties through. the end of the sixties really when things began to change very quickly new. York at that time was a series of of hamlets connected hamlets. and. The Bar was still a major institution along with the Church in a political club and probably the the police precinct they bars were institutions in which people revealed themselves. most nakedly often so that if you're looking for information about someone in a story, somebody who had been shot and killed or somebody whose kid had been shot and killed or a family that had been burned out by fire, whatever the nature of the story. good neighborhood bar was probably the best source of information. How well did you right when you had been drinking? Well I never wrote while while I was drinking I had a couple of adventures with it early in my career where I tried to drink and then go into the office and do it and I could not do it. I could my fingers would smash between the keys and nothing would come out. drinking was newspaper man and I think with a lot of other people to is often done and most insidiously after work as a kind of reward you figure. I've really worked at the top of my talent here as hard as I can. Now I'm entitled. And I think that's the way the most debilitating part about it because you continue to say to yourself I'm not an alcoholic that guy lying in the gutter with his shoes off He's an alcoholic, but I work I get up I, go to the office I bring home a paycheck and I feed my kids but I, think there's much more. Damage done to people's lives to. And wives the children to talent to to those who work at a base of talent. by the functioning. drunk. The person who can get the work done and I was very careful I never. I. I never drove I. Didn't even have a driver's license until after I stopped drinking and I never drank before I went to work and that probably prolonged the life longer than than I should have your the kind of drinker who could say why drink but I never miss a deadline. Yeah exactly. I think the Most Dangerous People most dangerous myth about all of this. Is that That you have to hit bottom. In order to start on your way up and the people I knew who hit bottom never recovered they were gone had wet brain or they they were dead They succumb to all kinds of things that we're not directly alcohol. Related not liver diseases but they died of pneumonia they died of bad habits basically never him down I know well, I never bottom down in the sense that in the classical sense I, mean in this book I wanted to make clear. that was not going to make this worse than it was it was not about another lost weekend. Wine wine and roses in which you got the DT's and you're seeing Richard Nixon and the corner covered with ants. If that happened it happened while I was away. but I, never got to that point. It's a book about getting to a certain point realizing you're doing a lot of damage even though you're having a lot of fun along the way. And pulling back and saying I'm not going to live that life anymore and it's the life that I'm talking about you can't separate. With any kind of problem you have whether it's drugs or alcohol you can't separate the dancer from the dance you can't You can't say I'm going to solve this problem of alcohol as if it were a pothole disconnected from the rest of things you have to examine the life. That you're leading and the way you got into the. into the habit and into what probably was the destructive part of that habit your Irish you grew up in an Irish neighborhood in Brooklyn. Do you think there's any truth in the stereotype of Irish culture as being a drinking culture? Oh I think there's no doubt that it's that Irish, culture has been bound together for many centuries by drink. but it's not unique to. Ireland I think if you look at defeated nations, if you look at Poland, if you look at the American Indian, if you look at Parts, of Mexican life in the south. people who have been defeated, offering a granted the the luxury of destroying themselves by the conquerors and I think Irish drinking came from the Conquest of Ireland It was not unique to to the Irish at the time. But if you have no true power, you granted certain powers Bhai the occupiers most of the time. One of them is drinking Another thing is much cheese ma I think mccheese MO is more. Prevalent. Under. Among defeated people than it is among the winners. So that I think the Irish do share something with those other. People that is unique to people having lost franchises It's being able to confront that and say, well, we let these people have a permanent victory that leads to people saying that's it. I'm not GonNa, do them the favor of becoming a stage Irishman or a stage poll or a stage name? Native? American. I'm GonNa live my life not performance not according to this script at least. Your father was a drinker. Your father was from. Ireland. move to Brooklyn where you were born. but he drank a lot when you were growing up, did he ever give it up himself? no, he never did Near the end of his life in the last five years of his life, he lived to be eighty in the last years of his life. Particularly, after his hair started getting gray, which was at the age of seventy five God bless him. He had trouble with his heart and they put an pacemaker in the doctor forbade him To either drink or smoke cigarettes. He went into the bleakest depression of his life and I so I went to the doctor. And said look I think the man would rather be dead than the continue to live like this he is so depressed by all this and he said well. Tell him he can have two drinks and three cigarettes. My father being my father expanded the franchise to five drinks and eight cigarettes and lived fairly happily until the day he left us. So no, he did not. He did not stop it. He kept drinking but not. at his age and he had done a probably a lot of physical damage. It didn't take much for him to get To get rectum in a few drinks and he would be gone when you started at the post in nineteen sixty. New York had seven papers, which is just impossible to imagine out cities that have two papers or in really good shape nowadays, what was it like to have seven papers? it was an absolute feast in even having the seven papers we were mourning the fact that we had already lost two or three. We lost the Brooklyn Eagle which I used to deliver as a kid which had a circulation of three, hundred thousand and was just serving the borough Brooklyn, that was gone there was a paper called the Bronx Home News that was gone. I think the the the city was a better city because we had seven newspapers there were meant there were seven different teams of people keeping an eye on the politicians and the watching what the cops did and and and feeding the general sense of debate in the city. for newspaper man it was enormous thing because if you didn't have a job if you didn't like the job you had at the New York Journal. American. You could go down the street and go to work for the Post. Somebody would always hire good craftsman's there was a kind of security in the work that is missing now for a lot of people but most more than anything else that was they had seven distinct. points of you almost everything in the city that simply has not been. replaced by television when you started working at the Post. Do you think that the newspaper had a different place in its readers lives than newspapers have in the lives of readers today. Oh I think that's I think lamentably, that's true because television although it was strong in nineteen sixty and had been strong for most of a decade. Television had not become the all ruling version of information and entertainment that it's now become. The respect almost worship of the printed word that came from the immigrants. for example, if you think that the daily forward, which is a Yiddish daily, once had a circulation of two hundred and fifty thousand. and that its children were reading the New York Post. The children of those readers were reading the New York Post. You know that you were dealing with generations of people who knew that the words would set them free. They worshiped newspapers columnists with the biggest stars in New York not television people television people read news It was an enormous amazing period to be young and be alive in a city like New York. Pete Hamill recorded in nineteen, ninety four after the publication of his memoir a drinking life he died yesterday at age eighty five. After we take a short break will hear interview I recorded with him in two thousand eight about his friendship with Robert Kennedy and his memories of the night Kennedy was assassinated Hammo tackle the assassin. This is fresh air. Support, for NPR and the following message come from our sponsor. The House of Role Who's Shaw's sinks are individually handcrafted operations director Andy. Hamson says, they're artisans are proud to sign every sank they make as each crossman finishes the sink he's got a stump stump is his name on he places that's on the back of the car underneath the base of the sink, and that's our crossman say this syncs up to show is quality I'm happy that it meets my expectations. And I wouldn't put my name to it to learn more visit. House, of role DOT COM. This is fresh air. We're remembering journalists, Pete Hamill, who died yesterday? The second of the three interviews will here with him today was recorded in two thousand eight on the fortieth anniversary of Robert Kennedy's assassination. Hammo was friends with Kennedy helped convince him to run for president work briefly on his campaign and then wrote about the campaign. Earlier. On the night Kennedy was assassinated. He won the Democratic primary in California keeping him in the race. He made his victory speech late, that night Hamma was there and when the speech was over Kennedy was shot three times he died the following day. When we spoke Hamel had written the introduction to a book of photos of Kennedy. How did you first get to know Bobby Kennedy. I had gone to cover the war in early part of the war in Vietnam at the very end of sixty five. So I was there for Christmas and new years a couple of weeks after that. and this was for the New York Post Bobby had already been elected. Senator from New York but I didn't know because I was not a political writer. When I got back there was a note waiting for me from bobbies being loved. Pieces. From Vietnam when you're back, please give me a call and so I did it was as simple as that. And I went and met him. And liked him very much. When I was much younger man I didn't think he was great Before the assassination of his brother I he'd worked for Joe McCarthy and other people in Washington that as a good card carrying twenty years five-year-old liberal I didn't prove. But when I met him I. I understood that he had learned something from the assassination of his brother. It was about time it was. bobby's realization that you can't wait. You have to do this thing in the now y you can. and I love that about him since it was the war in Vietnam that brought you both together what? Did you didn't you share about the war? We both agreed with the way that the country had to go ahead because the war was tearing US apart before he ran for president. He knew that somehow they had to go to would negotiating table somewhere in negotiating an end to the war. That didn't happen I think because he was assassinated and another twenty odd thousand Americans were killed and by one estimate at least a million Vietnamese, we were killed before it stopped in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five. So I, think he knew there was an urgency to that. that. It was hurting our image around the world very much like Iraq is now and that you had to get added, you had to sit down with people at the table. And say okay. Let's make sense out of this thing. You wrote Bobby Kennedy a letter urging him to run for president. So, what was the response to the letter? Well, apparently, it had some effect. When Lyndon. Johnson finally decided not to run again. Kennedy was then free. Any announced almost immediately after that. And I got a telegram in Ireland saying taking your advice come home and go. Let's go to work. And I got on the first plane the next day and went back and worked for a while for the campaign not too long. I found out that. I was a newspaper man and that somebody. Who worked on campaigns but I so I left and then covered the campaign up until the end. When you wrote the letter to Bobby Kennedy urging him. To Run for the presidency. Assassination was very much on your mind certainly knew about his brother's assassination you were in. Ireland. At the Tummy wrote the letter finishing up a thriller you were writing about the assassination of the pope. Yes. So when you urge BOBBY KENNEDY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT Did you think at all well, maybe maybe this would leave him vulnerable to assassination himself. You know. I did because There had been a couple of other assassinations mouth amax. Mega rivers there were then as now. millions of guns in the country and more than a few nuts. So it was a possibility. But I had never really talked to him about the assassination Until I mentioned in this letter, the pictures on the walls as I saw watts. And I didn't know how to raise it. So I didn't have a conversation that said, look some not could be out there. but I didn't I didn't think I needed to in his in his eyes that was almost always in the photographs in this book that we're talking about. You can see it in the is there was kind of fatalism that it could happen to Jack it could happen to anybody. and. So I felt not that I shouldn't raise and I regret it that I regret it now in so far as that. Letter. propelled him into the race. I feel bad about that I. wish he was around right now eighty three or eighty four years old sitting in a rocker and talking about. the good times when he was president or not president when Jack was president. And not. Not What in fact happened, and then when it happened it was. If felt like the could have been no other ending when you know you just walked around and said, why didn't I? Save something. Why didn't why did I do this that or the other? Let's talk about your memories of the night Bobby Kennedy was killed. It was a big night for his presidential campaign the night of the. California primary. Why was that so important? Well politically he had lost the primary the week before and Oregon. To Eugene McCarthy. So. If he. Lost California he could not go to the convention in August And may try to make a case that he's the one like a win the election. So he had to to win California. was, a different era in the sense that on that evening when we assembled. Various of us in a couple of different rooms at the ambassador. Hotel on the fifth floor. Would no cable television shows? That were no cell phones there was. you know the phone would ring someone, pick it up and come over and whisper. You didn't know. But. There was a sense, the gathering sense all that week that he was going to win California to begin with the. He had become the first American candidate for president who had rallied the Mexican Americans and I think that had to do. Something else because I've been going to Mexico for fifty years and no Ma many many Mexicans they have exactly the same fatalistic look at the world that the Irish half I think, I think the their sense that what will be will be. was present and. They sought in Kennedy and it made him even more attractive than the simple political allegiances that he was calling forth. So it looked like he was gonna win but you never nobody know. So. There was a sense that. You could win and then when the. when the news finally came people shouted and cheered and started getting dressed to go down to the ballroom. You went down to the ballroom I. Did I went down in the freight elevator with the Kennedy and Bill Barry who was the head of security and? And four or five other people Jammed into this freight elevator down to. The back of the ballroom which opened onto the kitchen. And we all got up on the stage behind Kennedy I was in the very last row and George Clinton was beside me. He realized that there was no wall behind the curtain we will leaning on. and warned everybody we all laughed and then Kennedy came and. And made his acceptance speech which ended with Onto. CHICAGO, and then we turn to go back into the kitchen. half the stage turned left and half stage turned right? because there were no paths. Really. And I ended up in the actual room where the steam tables were and. At all rusty ice machine and a few other things and. And Kennedy was walking towards us. I was walking backwards making notes of what he was doing. there were a number of his people right behind him. And then he turned to shake hands. With one of three Mexican busboys. who were at the end of the steam tables that are in a lot of the pictures of felony one Romeo. And as he was shaking hands and turn to face this fellow. Turn to his own left. Pep Pep the shots rang out. Did. You know right away what was happening? Yes because I turned and I saw Othello, this guy who turned out to be your Honda on his right leg plant forward than the gun strata out. It was about. I. Don't know three feet from Kennedy's head. And he was directly to my right. And it was a real gun. And it was that. Amazing That action suddenly a frozen moment and then holy everybody. charging. And I was one of the group Rosie greer clemson others who slammed into. Serhan is sutter wrestling for the. For the pistol. And bringing his arm down and because his arm was going down a lot of the people behind. Kennedy. Got Shot in the leg not a lot. But two or three people that shot in the legs because the arm was being forced down and until they finally got the gun out of his hand. And for me, the the reporter took over I a after one moment of initial rage throwing a punch over somebody's shoulder. I started just making notes. I became a recording machine then. Watched as they slammed Serhan up these steam tables and pulled way down the kitchen length at the kitchen. Bobby was on the floor. I thought he was shot in the chest because there was blood on his shirt and on his fingers. But it was because he his hand had brushed his head. Above and behind the year with a bullet, the the first of three bullets enter them. And got it on his fingertips. And I, remember. So clearly Jesse onre who was the head of the Democratic Party in California running around saying no Dallas no Dallas no Dallas. The meaning they didn't want who see haunt. Honda be killed. The Way Jack. Ruby, killed Lee Harvey Oswald Day to the next day after Dallas. Kill the evidence yet. Don't kill the the killer. Tried to find out what he's made of, who is, what's this about the Cetera? They kept him alive. Pete Hamill recorded in two thousand eight on the fortieth anniversary of Robert. Kennedy's assassination Hamill died yesterday. After we take a short break, we'll hear an interview with him from two thousand eleven recorded after the publication of his novel tabloid. City Hamill had worked at the New York tabloids post and the daily news this is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor Tele Doc tele doc gives those dealing with stress anxiety personal or family issues access to licensed therapists by phone or video Tele Doc is committed to quality confidential therapy from the comfort of your home available seven days a week matching members to. Counselors psychiatrists therapy is available through most insurance or employers download the APP or visit Tele Doc. Dot Com slash a fresh air today to get started. Today. We're remembering journalist Pete Hamill who died yesterday at the age of eighty five. Hamel wrote for several magazines and New York newspapers but he was most associated with to New York tabloids the post and the Daily News. He was a columnist and went on to become the top editor at both publications and two thousand eleven. Hamma published a novel called Tabloid City he talked about it with fresh air's Davies. Let's begin with a reading from the book Your Your Book Tabloids City is in part about a New York City tabloid struggling in the digital. Age. and. There is an editor, Sam Briscoe and the part I wanted you read was when he's describing. one of the characters, one of the veteran characters in the newsroom if you would please. He turns and Sees Helen Loomis three empty desk to the right of Fonseca, the youngest reporter. Briscoe has known her since each of them had brown hair. She was shy then to in what some fools cold homely long jawed gray. I'd bony. Down at the old post. She. Sat each night with a back to the river smoking and typing taking notes from St reporters and interviewing cops on the phone her dark page boy bobbing in a private rhythm. She was flanked by good people true professionals but most of them that she was the best damn right man any of them would ever know. Later the language cops tried to change the title to rewrite person, but it didn't work. The rhythm was wrong too many syllables. Even. Helen loomis described herself with an ironic smile as rewrite man. In her Chris Quick Way. She could write anything in the newspaper finding the music in the pilot notes from beat reporters the clips from the morning papers files from the Associated Press and yellowing clips from the library. She was the master of the second day lead. So essential to an afternoon paper and she often founded buried in the thirteenth graph of the time story or in the jump at the tail in the Herald Tribune. Or more often in her own sense of the story itself. When her questions were not answered and the reporter had gone home, she made some calls itself to a cop a relative someone in a corner bar she found in the phone companies immense old streep index. Her Shyness never stopped. Even, when she was calling someone at ten after three in the morning. She was always courteous. She always apologized for the hour, but she worked for an afternoon news over. That is she worked according to a clock that began ticking at midnight and finished at eight. Now, everything has changed even the hours. Pete Hamill great to have you when I hear that description I worked at a at a tablet in Philadelphia for twenty years. There's a woman at our newsroom that I picture you know for for for a lot of folks in parts of the country that don't read tabloids and grew up reading more traditional broadsheet. Tabloids as. You know cheap sensational kind of disreputable. What are they missing about tabloid? Well, it depends on the tabloid. You know I make distinctions between supermarket tabloids which. Are Celebrity roundups basically and the old tabloids on the paper that I worked at the at the beginning the New York. Post, we had Murray Kempton who wrote like an eighteenth century restoration dramatist We had Nora Ephron who was a brilliant writer when she was a kid working into the city room. We had Mary mcgrory in the paper we had will math Buckley in the paper these were not people who thought the audience was stupid they thought the audience was smart. And and they rolled up to the To the audience instead of down. And I think that's the kind of paper that's rapidly fading. mainly. Because ordered. A lot of editors are afraid of offending anyone. and the result is often a bland kind of porridge. One of the things I love about your description of of this tabloid, which is set in the present day when you know digital media threatened and. Are The little details that tell you how the business has changed. did did you visit tabloids that are struggling these days or or was that all intuitive to you over some of the what were some of the details that you saw that? That really told that story. Well. The first thing which I note in reading about Helen Lomas the rewrite man. nobody smokes you're not allowed to. In my day people smoked all the time. There was a balloon nicotine fog and most of the city rooms. And people often put out cigarettes on the floor. that is gone forever I think. I also see because of the digital access, a lot of people used to come into the city room, for example. photographers photographers know a lot about the city, your fool, not to draw them as a resource if you writing at the city. Now they can send their photos in from the chunk of that cars. they don't have to come in and develop film and look at it and watch it couldn't develop in the developer. there's a different process going on. City rooms also quieter now, they used to have a hammering sound when deadline came, we're people assaulting typewriters trying to make the deadline, which is four minutes away, and then they would come to the end, cut the bucket, the bucket, the bucket pop, and that would be it would go silence. It was too late for anything else. more often than not. The sound of a city room now is is resembles an insurance companies. It's an at that all raucous body yelling over somebody the obscenities casual. Bad language. The urgency of people's speeches you know the the new technology. Is, not. Noisy. You don't hear the printing guys now one floor down. Banging away on lead type in the on the stone as they used to call it. to make it fit so. But I think the passion. is still air. I think people work on newspapers not to get rich God knows. but because they believe in the craft. And, of course, this newsroom like so many has lots of empty desks You've got a situation where the editors disappointed in the quality of the photo they have for a big story because they didn't have a photographer and the reporter snapped a shot with his iphone. Exactly. And, the other thing I love was how the editor and a lot of the old timers in the newsroom don't even look at their own newspapers website. Yes. In in the case of my editor, he doesn't know much each gone on it a couple of times with instruction from a different generation and Looks at it goes. into. Sides. When he decides not to. Accept the offer to become the head of the website when the publisher decides to fold the newspaper. He says I can't I'm a newspaper. Man. There's a guy in here on Freddie Wheeler who is a guy who was fired from this tabloid and is now a celebrity blogger works in his one bedroom apartment in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn you know surrounded by computer screens and and Caffeine and working with this deep intensity and and passion to get even with people who Who wronged him is a somebody you know. no, it's really more of a composite of a few people. not that I knew particularly but who? Some of the younger reporters remember. guy gets canned for because there's no money left to pay him to write. Another gossip column and he goes off into a blog and decides a vengeance is mine Sayeth the Lord. There's other people like that around. Around the web. Blogs or on one level therapy for certain people. A lot of them are very good and instructional from things that I've been cute into by others saying take a look at this. but journalism itself. Is a special kind of craft and it demands a objectivity and clarity and. the attempt to really answer questions without taking positions on every single one of them and you know I think because in my years I was a columnist and I was a columnist. in a period of Kempton and Breslin Mike Royko and others Jack mckinney, and people like that Philadelphia. And we came from a tradition where we were paid to have. Opinions. But the opinions were based on the reporting whether it was Vietnam Northern Ireland or the wrong part of town we had been there. We're listening to the interview fresh air's Dave Davies recorded with journalists, Pete. Hamill. And two thousand eleven after the publication of Hamels. Novel. tabloid. City. After a break, we'll hear more of the interview as we conclude our remembrance of Hamel. This is fresh air. The. Americans with Disabilities Act was signed thirty years ago. 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You've found reading at an early age and and got a a scholarship to the regis. High School in Manhattan. And then at when you were teenagers, you dropped out and went to work in the Brooklyn Navy Yard as a as an apprentice sheet metal worker, right? That's right. Yeah. Who What did you think you were going to do with your life then? You know I didn't know in in in that neighborhood at a lot of the guys came back from the war. They just wanted to marry the girl they left behind. And go off somewhere. That was not a tenement. So they took the housing benefits from the GI bill. My generation the G. I. Bill Changed Everything. It was the greatest piece of social legislation ever. So you were able to dream of alternatives. I don't know what I might have been. I might have been a cartoonist painter. An archaeologist or a cop or a fireman I get I don't know. Because I didn't shape a really embarrassing to lay. Did the dumbest thing of my life which was dropping out of high school. but it dropping out of high school even then broke my mother's heart because she knew that the only way out of. Certain kinds of poverty were was. Is through education. but that was also in a weird way. The thing that gave me my life because I was never satisfied. I had to keep learning every day of my life. reading helped me to that because I grew up before television. When for entertainment? You read books. So. for the rest of my life I played catch up all. being a journalist was the was the graduate school from which you never graduate. But last year. Finally. Fifty nine years after dropping out. Regis High School. My High School gave me an honorary diploma. And it was. It was. I got after I had received several honorary PhD's to the way because the jesuits are slow at this. You know they believed purgatory should be prolonged. Re Jesuit High School right? Yeah it was. Ice Exco. We learned when you wrote your memoir, a drinking life in nineteen ninety-four. That that, you had been drinking pretty heavily and actually had quit in I? Guess when you were thirty, seven, thirty, eight years old is decided I going to stop. You were by any measure, very productive writer during your drinking years where what what, what do you think? It took away from you. It took me I was very prolific journalist because I always squeeze Enough Adami talent to get the newspaper piece done. What it took him away from me was. The Courage to test the extent of whatever my talent was. The other thing that drinking did to me. was attack one of the absolute necessities, a barometer and that's memory I'd say Jeez I had a great time last night. What fun. I couldn't remember a minute of it. and that was obviously not a good thing for a writer. There were other reasons to I had custody my two daughters and I WANNA be. A complete dumbbell in front of them so. But from the professional and personal standpoint, a lot of it was about. Trying to find out what was there as a writer. Then just I 'cause my ambition was not to be better than. Faulkner Hemingway or anything like that. It was to be the best version of myself that I could conceivably big time I had on the planet. You know so many people. Know that they shouldn't drank or should drink less and struggle for years and years and go to a meetings and and fall off the wagon. You took your last drink New Year's Eve nineteen seventy two right right. Why do you think the? You were able to just do it I think I think sobriety became a habit just. Like anything else. Which means that it probably was not Something that I had to do my father was a hard drinker is drinking life talks about. at a lot of my friends were and I was in the navy with you know the idea of. Of An ascetic Taylor is pretty ridiculous. but and then I was in the newspaper business whereas allotted drinking leftover from. Prohibition. Days. the after the first couple of years were over I'd never occurred to me again I go into bars and I made friends there. But. The they used the word. It's my weirdness. You know achieve he has a diet coke or something how the hell can he do that? And Of course, there's fewer and fewer saloons that are what I ever go visit any anymore either they're not smoking at the tabloids and Hamill isn't drinking in the bars what what is the? Right right. An and acknowledged in the book that That I. had a great good time in them. The I learned a lot particularly from older newspaper man in saloons. But at a certain point that was. Was the classic point of No Return when I sobered up I, I realized I had heard the same joke for times that same night. has they race around the bar so and made while I was was much deeper into trying to. Find. Out. Where the writing. was going to go and that became the most important thing in my life. Well, feed him. It's been great. Thanks so much for speaking with us. Thank you. Pete Hamill. Record in two thousand eleven. He spoke with fresh air's Davies. Hamill died yesterday at age eighty five. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny. Miller our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham our interviews and reviews produced and edited pay any Salad Phyllis. Myers. Roberta shorrock Sam Berger Lauren Crandell Heidi Simone to recent madden they are challenor Andro. Wolfram. Our associate producer of digital media is Molly Seavy Nesper. Seth Kelly directed today. Show I'm Terry Gross.

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Jimmy Hoffa

"Jimmy Hoffa was a powerful union leader with alleged ties to the mob when he disappeared in nineteen. Seventy five without a trace becoming one of America's most enduring mysteries. Can you recall the name of the suburban Detroit restaurant where he was last seen? Welcome to killer knowledge the daily True Crime Trivia show. I'm Carter Roy. It's time to play along with your friends family or fellow. True crime fans. You'll have the chance to answer five Trivia questions with six seconds to make your guests. Let's play killer knowledge. Jimmy Hoffa was known for being a powerful albeit corrupt union organizer. His experience with Worker's rights issue started early at age fifteen when he dropped out of school and started working fulltime. Question Number One. Where did Jimmy Hoffa work? Starting at age sixteen a a produce warehouse be a hotel. See a trucking company. The answer is a Jimmy worked at a produce warehouse though work was unstable in the workers complained of unfair conditions so at age eighteen. Hoffa led a walkout inspiring his career as a union organizer over the years. Hoffa rose up the ranks that a union representing truck drivers that had a reputation for its mob tactics question number two. What was the name of the Union Hoffa would later go on to lead a the teamsters be AFL CIO see labor union? Answer is a the teamsters when the union became the subject of a Senate probe Hoffa allegedly tried to bribe a Senate committee aid to spy on the investigation. It was a big mistake in March. Nineteen fifty seven the F. B. I. arrested Hoffa as he prepared to meet with his spy in Washington. Dc Papa was ultimately acquitted and soon took over as teamsters president but his luck ran out when the chief counsel of the Senate investigation was appointed attorney. General dubbed Beget Hoffa squad. Federal Attorneys made it their mission to bring down Jimmy Hoffa and his racket question number three. What was the name of the attorney? General who put Hoffa away in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven a John Mitchell be griffin bell. See Robert Kennedy. The answer is c Robert Kennedy who NAB Hoffa on pension fraud and jury tampering in nineteen sixty seven at age fifty. Four HOFFA started serving a thirteen year sentence but less than halfway into the sentence. Hoffa received a pardon from President Richard Nixon though by then he lost his good standing with the mob in an effort to reconcile. Hafa plan to meet with two of his former Mafia friends on July. Thirtieth nineteen seventy five. That was the day. Hoffa was last seen dead or alive question number four. What was the name of the restaurant where hoffa disappeared a the rooster tail? Be the Red Fox. See The rattlesnake club. The answer is b. The matches Red Fox in a suburb of Detroit. Michigan Jimmy Hoffa winter. Meet Anthony Tony Pro Prom Vezzano Antoni Jack Jack. Aloni hoffa waited outside the restaurant for over an hour before a car pulled up and he got in the only thing left behind was his car in the parking lot. Question Number Five. What color and make was Jimmy? Hoffa's car a Maroon. Mercury be White Lincoln. See Green Pontiac. The answer is c Hoffa's Green Pontiac. Granville was found unlocked but HOFFA was nowhere to be seen. There have been many theories about what happened to Jimmy Hoffa. There were even confessions from mob. Hitmen Frank the Irishman Sheeran and Richard the ICEMAN Kuklinski but the FBI of dismissed all the claims and Jimmy. Hoffa was declared legally dead on July Thirtieth Nineteen eighty-two. No one has ever been able to locate his remains to everyone listening. Thank you for playing killer knowledge with us. Don't forget to check us out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and you can also listen to more episodes of killer. Knowledge and other par- cast originals on spotify. Or wherever? You listen to podcasts. I'm Carter Roy. Join US again to find out if you can call yourself a true crime. Expert killer knowledge was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler produced by Kristen Veto John Cohen key to MIRA and Jonathan ratliff sound design by Kristen on a killer knowledge. Stars Carter Roy.

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Hour 1: David Israel & Calls

The Paul Finebaum Show

39:06 min | 11 months ago

Hour 1: David Israel & Calls

"Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why IBM is helping. Businesses manage customer questions with Watson Assistant. It's conversational. Ai Designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM Dot Com Slash Watson Assistant. Pride Passion Than Patron Tree of college. Football leaves here. Paul Finebaum show our one podcast. And we welcome you to another day and already there is a lot happening with the reaction from yesterday more problems in baseball. And a late breaking story that is literally just developing where Mark Emirate the head of the AA has spoken out he just finished an interview with heather. Finish and these are some of the headlines. He he says he believes that a delayed start to the college. Football season will be necessary and. A smaller number of games will likely happen. He also scoffed at the idea of A. Of As czar for college, football and everybody that has presented the position of his are is a direct shot at him. He said that's utterly realistic, and it surely doesn't fit college sports and many more comments from our camera. Now remember mark. Does Not Real College football. He is the president of the NC Double A.. intercollegiate athletics and sets, guidelines, but he has no actual power, but he does have a big stick, and as president of the NC double a. when he believes there should be. Delayed season in fewer games. It is going to resonate more on the interview a little bit later. Let's get headlines and they began with baseball and more players from the Florida Miami Marlins I should say. have tested positive for coronavirus. More Games have been have been canceled. This is been the story in in. Sports for about the last twenty four to twenty to thirty six hours, and it is a big one in everybody and I. Mean everybody is watching this meanwhile nfl camps or opening, so we're watching those very closely as well and talk about a story that could very well resonate in college football, number of players including Dante hightower the former Alabama employer have opted out for playing for New England I believe that's at least five, maybe six players from New England and You see Brandon Bolan. Branly from Florida Gigiri Mississippi State I mentioned hightower Andre Smith and other Alabama all American chance. Womack announced yesterday. There's there is a concern in college athletics. This could trickle down and I would agree with that concern. The young players who look all these gentlemen are saying themselves I know it's probably not that safe here either I'm getting out, so keep your eye on that story we've we've seen very few players announce that they're not going to play college football. But I would expect more to happen. So why are some sports working and? Not well as you know. The NBA has a bubble Stewart Mandel asking the question. Is it time for a bubble in college? Football may be time, but that train has already pulled out of the station and Marc emery in the interview with Heather saying it is simply not realistic or appropriate. Those were his words, not mine. Me Well. This is what Mandel proposed for his fake bubble, the ACC and north. Carolina makes sense while sorted. You'd be located in Charlotte, if you weren't in the ACC. The big ten in Indianapolis, the Big Twelve in Dallas the PAC, twelve and salt lake in the SEC in at Lanta. Missouri looking good with freshmen, and we will hear a little bit more about Missouri later on. There's some optimism there. They needed I mean that was that program was a complete redo after after last year, in so many things went wrong, but Missouri trying to start over again, and these are some of the Dave Israel, who was once a coordinating producer on Monday night football before. Before that one of the leading sports columnists in the country at the Chicago, Tribune and low in Los Angeles, he will join us with some strong opinions on the return to Sports Haro the usual business conversation Andy Katz, prominent figure, working for NCWA DOT COM and Eli drink quits joining us as well so That's where we are really busy start and you know again Emmerick. To that are just breaking as we speak, what do they mean? It's just more pressure because as we have seen since yesterday. The big twelve seems to be leading this parade. They just don't seem to care. They're starting. They'll start tomorrow and say can as long as they get a twelve game season in a number of teams, and schools have already moved up two weeks zero, but that seems to be the mood over there the ACC will be heard from tomorrow. Still No word on when the SEC will speak on all of this. and. We'll talk about it for the rest of the day, and until further notice right here, let's get to some phone calls as well at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, and we begin with James. Who is in Alabama Hey James. You're on the air. Paul I, I'm not sure anybody really cares what Marc emery has to say. Some more old, white men, talk and Oh! That's not what I call talk about. On offer some comedy relief. Years Ago I was sitting and talking with my lady friend. And she looked at me. Running, she said. You're the best man I know. Paul loot right back at her and I said. You don't know many men. Oh. Here I want you to help me with something. Paul I have. This is is like a ballot I. IT SAYS ESPN memo. And it says potential second, chair. And there are two sides of this thing, and once I says Rowdy. Or Allie Badger so tell me Paul. If. You've got a if you had a circuit share, who would you choose rowdy? Or Allie Badger Yeah. I've been looking for a co host of the show for about twenty five years, and my answer would be I'm gonNA. Keep looking okay, so you're not. You wouldn't take rowdy. Alley Badger no okay all right. Let's go to the other side we can see. Can I have that much? You have all the time you need okay. Jim. Or I'm. Still No choice or you notice a lot of shows especially where you live, have three man teams. Old Station jocks. They have to shows so I would. All Gentle mischief, but I don't think I. I mean that would be like Solomon. Cutting the baby in half so. Hard. I, said cutting. So I would probably ask Jim and I'm an to be part of the show. Just out of courtesy you know Jim wouldn't accept so I should. I'm in obviously you may in new an I'm an now. Are we moving North Carolina I mean Gimme Oh. No, no, no, no. No I'm DEF- I'm definitely moving back to him you coming back to Birmingham for. Should I mean. How long is this going to take? Long I I'm I'm I mean I'm? I'm not even on the show today I'm looking for a house. Okay I'm and Birmingham, as a matter of fact I have a nephew, this leave and Garden Dale going to the beach so but I think he's already so that one's out. Well yeah I know garden and. So I decided what part of town I can live anywhere in. Alabama doesn't matter I mean it's a big day, but Birmingham is where my wife is from, so that would probably be where I would land well fly in or drive in every day. I mean. We're in Alabama. State Brother Yeah aw I've I've I've covered the state pretty well. We're probably going to be the central Alabama so let's go with Birmingham to start okay. Okay and if the show it's a show, does well then maybe I can buy a a little one-room condo down on Gulf shores. Okay well I in other words I wanNA help you with that real estate. Okay, all have a nice day I I'm not audience, but before you cut me off. I'M GONNA say? See you later. Okay James. PAT is up next in Georgia hello. Hey Paul. Thank you I WANNA ask your opinion about something. Think about the question because I'm asking in an odd sort of way. In your opinion, what is the most likely? Worst. Case scenario for college football this year. So when you say so you come back the worst thing that can happen. Bear what is the? Of all the worst thing that could happen to college football. In your mind right now, especially with the news today yeah I think it's pretty without I I hate to even go there, but you ask the question and you want an answer. I think playing starting the season and having something catastrophic happened. I would agree with you on that Who both that? Mark Inlet. What's that? Woke Up Mark Hamlet for? What he said today. That was Heatherton interviewed him this afternoon. Somebody. Right well. Listen I've been critical mark emirate. More Mature Smart Guy he's a former president, Chancellor Lsu and at the University of Washington. He just got lazy in his job, and instead of doing anything he's just making the two or two, and after three million dollars a year by by living off the fat of the land, but I will tell you. This is the third or fourth time arc emirate has said what he did today I. Don't think this is my opinion i. I couldn't remember the last time. I had a conversation with Mark Emmer. I think I saw him at a football game a couple of years ago, and we may have grunted at one another but I don't think mark emery things. We should have a college football season. I think that's pretty obvious. well probably so now. How do you? If worst case scenario, the most likely worst case scenario is we have to. We start to see and. Let's say wait. And then we have to stop the. Or something with that and then with the Miami. For one. there. Could you know that's one part of this? I've I've I've yet to get a straight answer? Answer on and. You know how much how much risk our college presidents willing to take. I mean this isn't. This isn't deciding whether or not I'm going to catch a virus and maybe get sick. More than likely not. This is deciding whether to play college football. And run the risk of on your campus. Having people die. And that's one of the reasons why. I'm still paying. I think most people. In responsible positions are actually have to make the decision I land. In baseball decided the worst the worst case. They decided. We're not GONNA play back. I don't know about I. Tell You pat I'm not sure because I have never seen Moore arrogance coming out of people in my life than some of these announcements that we get i. mean what what is the sense of announcing games that you have no intention of playing? I mean this is not. We're not playing chess here. This is serious real stuff and you know from from Bob. Dole's. They had a comment yesterday that he. He'll he'll. He will be with us in two days when we'll get his reaction we talked to commissioners, and they all are measured on the other hand. They're all saying. We're going to find a way to play hate to run. We're up against a break a lot to do on this four hour edition of the program. I hope you'll stick around. We are coming right back. You listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast. It's your home speaking and I need you to do me a couple of favors I. could you get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week? It's throwing my functions. Way Off second thing. Bundle your home and car insurance with GEICO. It's easy and we could save money. Lastly I know you're thinking of painting the nursery back to off white, but I'm actually feeling. This baby blue didn't think it was my color, but I am pulling it off Geico, bundling made easy. Go to GEICO DOT COM today. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay, mom I, empty the dishwasher vacuum the basement and folded the sheets of the dryer. What? A next I'm going to clean Mittens litterbox in some of prank, show or something. That's a camera isn't an there's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch. By tober seventh limitations apply visit GEICO. Dot Com for details. We welcome you back and really glad to have you a number of guests. We'll start coming along including heather a little bit later on, she interviewed. NCWA president Mark Emirate and certainly has as good or handle. As anyone out there about what's going on right now in college athletics, let's check in with big. D and Kentucky Big Day good to have you on Hey Paul first time caller to show. Thank you I have a couple points to make yesterday I was on, hold waiting each. Get on, but I didn't get it. On during yesterday's Padres game, former Major League baseball players, son Eduardo Perez announced. That Don Mattingly had admitted. That the players knew on Sunday that they had covert and decided to play. Okay for, do you think should be done by Major League Baseball with that? Boy You. Give me a great way to answer that question. What shouldn't in which shouldn't be done? Nothing will be done. Because Major, League baseball management is a total fraud, and you can tell that every time rob Manfred speaks He is completely whitewashing. This situation heard his interview last night and essentially said nothing. I think there ought to be i. mean you really need to get inside the situation and find out exactly what happened I think everyone should be investigated. Everyone should be interviewed and and a complete and total report needs to be made because I mean this is what everyone else is looking at as an example if college football. We had an ad on here the other day saying we're looking to MLB as a data point where they better get it right, and they clearly aren't getting it right because they rushed to to get out there, they had no plan and I'm afraid they're not the only one without a plan. Okay second thing regarding your caller yesterday, Ricky I. You know he kinda. They're the one that was talking about all of this. barreds whatever it was you know talking about this. The real bright mark. Yes, okay, here in West Virginia. IT'S AN NBC affiliate. Yes as e last week, they had a police officer who went to get tested and he was in line. The line was long. He couldn't stay. because you had to go on patrol and. A week later. He got a letter in the mail from the health department said that he tested positive for covid nineteen. There was a seventy two year old lady who did not get her Social Security check so she called. And the health department had notified the Social Security Administration that she had died of Covid nineteen, and she was never tested. She didn't have it neither one of did. Listen. I think this is happening everywhere because there are so many test results trying to be computed and in the end. I think it's A. It's a tremendous conversation piece. I'm not sure. What it means. because. Those are not going onto the numbers that everyone's looking at because. They're not real cases, but but I agree they are definitely going on. Chris is up next in Alabama Chris. Go right ahead. Are You doing today? Man? We are doing right great. Fabulous. As a journalist Paul. You know more than anybody. There's two sides to every story. And then there's the truth. And I've been listening to your show since all this Kobe stuff that's come out and you had all these medical experts come on and medical doctors come on, and they all keep doing the same dog and pony show that wear masks you know. Social distance this and that wash your hands and nothing to go back to the same to the vaccines. Come Out, okay. That's what they're all saying that you've not put anybody on the air to talk about the other side. Okay I have three friends that would love to come on the show. Okay, the one you know very well Robert Kennedy Jr.. Okay, he's one of the lead attorneys in the world that is going against tobacco company. He has a completely totally different view on what is going on right now i. so encourage you to let him come on, but we'll. First. Let me jump in here second and I I I do I was at I. Don't know two years ago. I, I I I was at a party with Robert, Kennedy and I know I got to know him as well as you can know somebody in an evening and I have great respect for him. and obviously his whole family to say the least, and I'm aware of I'm certainly aware of his position on vaccines, and very vocal I don't have any problem. Bring him on. And I WANNA. Say Though we did have Alex Berenson on Friday I don't know if you heard it or not. He's the one who is leading this war against the media so I I would be I am more than happy to have both sides of the story other than Robert Kennedy. Who else who else are you suggesting? Robert Kennedy Jr. would be first and foremost as a lawyer as a medical doctor Okay I've got to medical doctors. Doctors Zach Bush's one of one of the very few medical doctors in the war, the world that's triple certified. Okay, he has the completely totally different stance on this Dr Sherri Tinton. She's testified before Congress. If I became the CDC about vaccine, there's something completely totally different this going on Paul. That you're you. Guys are not talking about, and you're not allowed you to talk about, so please do. Ask You a question because I i. mean obviously you know knowing, bobby. Bobby, Kennedy and And knowing and how this relates to the vaccine I'm not I. DON'T I. DON'T I? Don't know because I haven't really looked into it. But. Come on the show. Welcome I! Do you know. Do you know bobby? I yes, Sir okay, and that can get him to come on the show for you. Well I appreciate your, but you guys won't allow it to happen. Along. Christopher? He's. Dating anybody regarding vaccines okay hold on weeks ago. I won't let him on. you you will, but you guys will not who are. Coming on is one percent the same amount of chances if you die dymock open nineteen, anything's possible and it would be an amazing thing because I have to ask you. Come on I. Want to ask you something here. All sincerity. Who are these people that won't let Robert Kennedy on our program I'd like to know who they are. They are the programmers at ESPN. You know that that's bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies. We know this and they own the company in Robert. Will tell you this. Nobody will let him come on talk about this. Okay do they won't do it for the first time like I was saying earlier, it's been fifteen years. He's trying to debate anybody. They were talking about when you. Well you tell him, and obviously he knows me. That I will. I JUST WANNA. Look into it I'm not I'm not I'm not. I know how he feels about vaccines, but I have not heard him talk about this particular issue. Of course you had in. Any way I can get you the interview you know Alan Dershowitz fits. Is the attorney for OJ Samson for Jerry or at scene. Yeah no I know who Alan Dershowitz. This sure okay two weeks ago, the two of them were able to bake. Is there any way I can get you that link? I would love to tweet it to you. Come back. We'll talk to you. Cut Me off, and I can't cheated. Fulton to Alabama hoping Christopher I know are. Just tweeted at me and I'll pick it up and and you tell. Tell. Robert Kennedy We will work on that. How about that? Okay? How do I get back in touch with you because I don't have your email or phone number anymore? you probably still do? Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you got it. All right bye-bye. Like. A murder mystery here you know the Kennedys We'll take a break. David, Israel. The join US next. He is going to be allowed on the show without the sensors. Getting in the way, we'll be right back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of GYCO could already save you? So, what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? We sleep in another half hour. Thanks, sweetheart. Law. And you'll change yourself to. There's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October. Seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your dentist to actually believe you and your flashing every day absolutely great. And you're cutting down on your so of course wonderful then need to look in their great see in six months. There's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT. com for details. We back already thirty minutes, and it's been pretty busy with. Mark speaking out today, saying he thinks this season, the college football season should start late in be shortened, and the optics are not great at the moment but that is just the beginning of this story is the Miami Marlins. Look like they may be done for the week. There's a lot of the aftershocks going on with that. What does it mean to everyone else NFL camps opening up six Patriots SEASON? All of this brings us to our next guest. He is David Israel, I. I met him nearly forty years ago when he was one of the leading sports columnists in America in Washington La, and I met him when he was at the Chicago Tribune since then he's moved on. To become? An award-winning producer and writer in Hollywood, but someone who has he's also worked on Monday night football, someone who's never gotten too far from the sports world David What a great pleasure to be reconnected again! How are you? I'm great. Thank you very much. I'm I'm I'm the quintessence of non-essential, so I've been locked down for. Just march fifth. So I, I'm safe home with my wife in Los Angeles. And we're going to keep it that way. Well I am glad that being home. gives you time to monitor the the ways of of your old stomping ground, and that's the sports world and I know you're not shy about sharing your opinion. Let's start with the baseball situation and I'm my head is still spinning. Trying to figure out exactly what is going on in baseball well I I I think. Roy Manfred. In exactly the same place you are. That's a problem because. They should have planned for this, and they seem to be taking care of it on an ad hoc basis as if it caught them by surprise This was inevitable that at least one team was going to be severely afflicted. By the coronavirus and they don't seem to have a plan for it. They have canceled the Games through this week. The next scheduled marlins games now Monday. but I I don't know and and the nationals by the way we're supposed to play him at some point. Obviously there in the same division have said that they won't go. The team voted not to go to Miami. and they're the defending world champions. the the Yankees Phillies series was called off and instead the Yankees are going to be playing Baltimore. WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYING MIAMI? I think they're going to be playing Baltimore couple of games so. They're really doing this on the fly. Speaking of which Travels in essential part of all, this is not in a bubble. What flight crew? is going to be willing to get in an aluminum tube. Recycle their. With the team that might be contagious. How can you ask a flight crew to do that? So how do these teams start getting anywhere? There are so many domino's in this line I mean it's way more than one box full and and. I I don't I. Don't know how many you're gonNA fall, and how at how any of these sports? Can really continue with business as somewhat usual. David David I know? You spent a Lotta Time Hollywood dealing with reality shows, but I. I'm not sure this dance. Dramas actually more. This one's even believable, is it? Yeah actually I I believe it or not. I did mini series years and years and years ago, based on a John Novel called Pandora's clock. which was which was about the a bowl of virus, getting onto seven forty seven, that would then take it. You know from from Frankfurt, Germany to the to the United States and you know a two hour things Richard. Dean Anderson was in it Robert Home Rob Bob Loza, and and a lot of other really good actors was a good cast. This is nineteen ninety seven. Seven or so no nineteen ninety-six, and and and it it it sort of you know it. It prefigured this in in a in a weird way, and and I you know I'm not GonNa Bother telling you the plot, but it all worked out well, but there was a there were. There are a lot of fighter jets involved in some Russian finagling so The Fall I. Don't think we need to use Russian fighter jets and the CIA to to figure out that sports probably suggest Cash checks and go home until twenty twenty one. It's just. There's just no way to keep players coaches. Affiliated with the team safe. And, and that should be the first priority and as much as I. Look I've Odeen baseball since last. Thursday whenever they started playing. I watched the Yankees or the dodgers. I watch whatever I watch games as on padres. And have the package and you know and I found that obviously you've really edifying. But that's not a good enough reason. To jeopardize careers and lives, and that's what they're doing. And I think look what's going on football now. Six Patriots already begged out. Patriots, these guys who are really dedicated their veterans who played for Bellichik. And and they've taken the opt-out which pays three hundred fifty thousand dollars this season not to play. Because the corona virus and and today was the first day of the players could do that by the way so how many more going to follow. you know we're? We're worried about a college football season. Don't worry if the NFL plays. It's GonNa. Be a college football season. Because the pros are going to be there. It's going to be all rookie. It's this is kind of crazy. I think it's responsible. David Israel with us. Brings me to college football you went to school of course at northwestern. You Cover Notre, Dame! You covered all the biggest college football stories of that era. And I know you're follow it very closely, so let me let's come to to our neighborhood for a second David and try to figure all of this out. Because every time we talked to an ADA commissioner and we talked to them. All everyone says the same thing. We're playing and we'll figure it out. And the most important thing of course is the safety of our student athlete. Well I have a couple positions about the one if it's not safe enough to have students on campus. You can't have football players on campus. The purpose of going to college playing football is to be a student. At least that's what the NC double NCWA keeps telling us. They always say student athletes. The student goes before athlete. Well, if they're not campus. If it's not safe for students me, episode shouldn't be safe. For football players and soccer players, and whatever other fall sports might occur to be on campus, and there's a leadership problem here. This shouldn't be up to the conferences, because while obviously preponderant majority of games or conference games for most teams. It is still a a national game and interconference games makeup say twenty five to thirty percent of every team schedule. maybe even more the case in Notre Dame Brigham Young all the schedule and So there should be some national leadership. and. That's not a career. I know that Emirates Today. He's dubious about false sports, and we should maybe starting later and all that that's not leadership. That's that's just theorizing. There are ways to handle. is also you know Stanford's now had to? say that it's going to eliminate quite a few non revenue sports. I think a few other schools have done the same thing because of the lack of football revenue, which obviously drives drives the financial resources of of most of the athletic department's Well how about if if the? A. Got Together and said you know what this season. We're going to put a CAP. On head football coaches salaries. Nobody can make more than a million dollars a year and all that savings has got to go to fund spring, sports or non Revenue Sports. When we we get back in into a fully functioning NC double a year you know, you save quite a bit of money i. mean you know you you've got you know the Clemson? Coach makes what ten million dollars a year eleven million dollars a year. You know Dabo Sweeney so. You know he can get by in a million bucks this year. I would assume I. Don't want to give away and I don't think it's fair to give anybody's money or right. Except in this extreme circumstance, you know I Nick Saban's obviously made a tremendous amount of money I've had this conversation before I. Think he's one of the three or four greatest football coaches who ever lived? You know but if he sacrifices for a year to maintain the gymnastics program, more or the women's soccer program or the swim team where you know whatever whatever's in jeopardy for at the University of Alabama. That wouldn't be a terrible thing. In I I noticed that in Kentucky. There is I. think a a justifiable righteous attempt made by the faculty now. To remove off RUPP's name from the arena. I mean eight off was a scourge. He was a racist he was. He was not a good guy. and I think it's an opportunity for university. to sell the naming rights take rupp's name off the arena. And you know. It sell sell the naming rights. It could become well Louisville plays KFC arena so. you know. The the University of Kentucky can play in Popeye's arena. or could play, and you know I I if I'm in the horse racing business as you know and The mattress Mac Jim, mcelwain. You know has put A. Run happy's name on every event horse racing you know and that's Lexington so he can make it run. Happy Arena and the money raised the two or three million dollars a year. That'd be race could save a lot of non revenue sports at at at the University of Kentucky is dedicated to that. And you put that together with the savings from work, stoop salary, and from John Calipari salary. You know both deserve the money they got paid. But in this circumstances, this is through extreme circumstance so they. They work for a million dollars this year I i. know it's seems not fair, but because they have contracts, but that would be a great sacrifice for them to make in order to save. All the other sports at the university and and I. I just think there's a there's a lot. There's a lack of leadership and there's a lack of creative thinking. and and and that there are ways to do the right thing for the for the students. And and and for the coaches, and for the universities without jeopardising everybody without jeopardizing the long-term existence of. Of other sports. You know because just an athletic department problem. And I I've heard an argument made now. This is a northwestern thing. A for an argument made that well. The reason why the coaches are so highly paid where they get paid, the highest paid coach generally paid. Ten or fifteen times more than the highest paid professor. Is because they make more money for your university than any professor which is. Kinda not true, but but. And in the case of North Western, which I know is specifically not true. Because to chemistry, professors created a northwestern lab by drug called I think La Vitro. And Northwestern University's. Take a la at the university that went straight to the endowment. And don't forget. Universities don't pay taxes so all. This money went right into the Northwestern University of Delaware was one point two billion dollars. Pat Fitzgerald is probably the greatest coach in the history of North Western football, certainly the most successful probably not the greatest because they're getting coached northwestern before he went to Notre Dame. But but He has definitely not made in his years as head coach, and will not make even if he coaches for another thirty years a one point, two billion dollar profit for the University of a you know even though it's a big football team. So. That's not true. The coaches always make more money than any professor, and that's true to other universities. Were they have drug patents? And and other things Stanford Sun Microsystems, which was a big player that stood for Stanford University networks. That's where the sun came from. It didn't have anything to what was in the sky. And and that was that was a huge player in silicon. Valley and You know made a lot of money for university. so. You know there's a lot of ways to to look at the financial aspects of but most importantly it's. It's safety. And we don't know anything. About what the long term effects! Of being afflicted with coronavirus or Nothing! We don't know if if you're if you're afflicted if there's a long-term effect on your respiratory system. When how that will affect your stamina if you're an athlete, we don't know what it's long. long-term effect is on organ function. there's now some talk that. In certain cases, it's attack the brain. And and logical function of the body. So you're, we're not risking the short term illness that. An athlete might. Get. We're risking his long term viability so I I would ask if it's worth it for baseball. Football College football. Hockey, or the NBA To risk losing the careers as I williamson. And Mike Trout and Mukhi Bet Patrick Mahomes. And and any any player. You can think of John Yeah. You know the Greek freak. You understand the KUPU. David. I need to jump in because we we. We're about to run out of time. All right but I I would love to go. We'll do this again soon. Listen thank you very very much for coming on I really appreciate. It's always great to to visit with you. Thank you, David. Thank you very much. Wherever against almost ran over but We didn't we'll take a short break back with much more. GEICO gets you access to licensed agents. Twenty four seven, which means that Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you, like your mom when you fill out really really important paperwork on the first day of new job name, check birthday. She'll security thing. Hey, among what is my social security number? Mom Mom? Okay, let's gas. Zero zero one seven Oh Gemini. Hashtag done gyco always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents.

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May 24, 2020: Freedom Riders Arrested

Today in True Crime

12:09 min | 1 year ago

May 24, 2020: Freedom Riders Arrested

"Today is Sunday may twenty four th twenty twenty on this day in nineteen sixty one. A group of civil rights activists wrote a bus into Jackson Mississippi despite federal protections all riders were jailed labeled criminals for entering a bus stop. Welcome to today in true crime apart cast original today. We're covering the historic arrest of the freedom writers who crusaded for racial equality throughout the American south. There may twenty four arrests marked a pivotal moment in ending segregation. Let's turn back time. Some six decades to the morning of May twenty fourth nineteen sixty one in Jackson Mississippi. It was a hot day in Mississippi when a bus carrying thirteen freedom riders entered the town of Jackson but the heat was nothing compared to their fears. The freedom riders mission was to enter bus stations and attempt to use the white only restaurants and bathrooms. When asked to leave. They would stand their ground if attacked they would not fight back with physical force. These tactics centered around Ghandian principles of non-violence. Now what they were doing was technically legal but as it happened. Many folks in the south were not ready to accept the equality of all and they would stop at nothing to protect their discriminating ideologies. In the weeks that preceded the May twenty fourth journey. There'd already been several breaks of severe violence from white supremacists at one rest stop. An angry mob roared in protest of the freedom writers but when they tried to move along someone in the crowd threw a bomb at their bus when the writers escaped. They were brutally beaten with baseball bats and steel rods. The extreme display of discrimination only confirmed their fears despite a federal ruling. The banned any form of segregation by race in all public transportation facilities rampant rarely seldom persisted the May twenty fourth nineteen sixty. One ride was bound to be different from the others just three days before. President Kennedy had ordered protection for the freedom riders hoping to prevent further violence so the two buses that travel to Jackson were loaded with armed troops who carried bayonets behind them. Sixteen patrol cars drove while a helicopter flew overhead. As the old Greyhound bus station appeared through the windows of the first boss. The activists held their breath. Two of them were seventeen year old Julia. Aaron and Twenty Year Old David Dennis like most of the other writers. They were young but they knew what had happened to the previous passengers on the freedom rides. Silence on the bus seemed to echo a shared curiosity about just what fates they might find in the hour then. Suddenly one voice broke out in song. Writing on this big greyhound carrying love from town to town. Keep Your eyes on the prize. Hold on everyone joined in one thing was certain whatever awaited them they were determined to brave the storm then the bus came to a screeching. Halt anticipation had risen dramatically. As word of the freedom writers had spread across the South outside the station. Hundreds of Jackson citizens watched waiting to see how the Act of protest would unfold at the trail way station. The national guardsmen. Step off the bus. I followed by the thirteen freedom. Riders one by one. The courageous crusaders exited the vehicle and pass through a heavy cordon of Jackson. Police officers some still dawn the bandages covering wounds incurred in Alabama. The activists then entered the station. A few of them walked to a restroom marked white only while others headed into a white only coffee shop. Customers stared and then froze as police approached. The officer ordered them to move on but the freedom riders did not instead. They stood their ground quietly. Whispers from onlookers grew loud their military escorts would be of no help to them after all they'd only been ordered to protect the rider's from violence. They couldn't argue with state police when the activists didn't move from the whites only area. The policemen again ordered that they leave immediately. But after this second order the freedom riders still did not move each and every one of them was arrested and led outside to a waiting police car hours later. The second of the buses sent Montgomery arrived at the station. The writers knew that the others had been arrested but they wanted to see their mission through one freedom writer Ernest Rip Patton who was twenty one years old. At the time recalled the events he said I got to the front door. I never did get inside the building and I was under arrest. No one on the second bus would ever make it inside the station. By the end of the day on May Twenty Fourth Nineteen Sixty one twenty seven freedom. Writers had been arrested there. Charge disturbing the peace next the freedom. Riders are forced to ride their efforts all the way to parchman penitentiary one of the worst prisons in America at the time. Now back to the story. On May twenty fourth now sixty one the freedom riders drove safely into Jackson Mississippi accompanied by US federal marshalls only to be arrested on the spot at the bus station. It certainly wasn't what the writers expected but it was exactly what the authorities expected. Us Attorney General. Robert Kennedy had actually struck a deal with Mississippi. Senator James Eastland the presidential order for military escorts to accompany the freedom. Writers was no act of kindness. After outbreaks of violence had erupted at bus stations in Alabama Kennedy didn't want more bloody headlines so he proposed an agreement with Eastland in exchange for the protection of the freedom writers on their journey to the rest terminal. They would be arrested on the spot and sent to jail as the activists were held in. Custody Robert Kennedy issued a statement urging people to halt their travels until and Alabama had a cooling off period James Farmer head of the Congress of racial equality responded to Kennedy saying we have been cooling off for three hundred and fifty years. And if we cooled off any more we'd be in a deep freeze. The freedom writers would not back down at their trial. The judge turned and looked at the wall rather than listen to the defense of the twenty-seven freedom riders then he gave them the maximum judgment for disturbing the peace. They were sentenced to two months at ill-maintained Parchman prison with bail. Set at two hundred dollars. They're under direct order for Mississippi's governor. The guard subjected them to psychological abuse to break their spirit strategically. Every rider stayed in jail for the full length of their conviction one. Freedom Writer Congressman. John Lewis Remembers his experience entering the facility. We had to walk right into the prison and take off all of our close. We stood there for at least two hours without clothes and I just felt that it was an attempt to be little and dehumanize us but the poor treatment persisted long past entry parchman penitentiary was a low slung brick building surrounded by dirt rows and fields in evoked a plantation having formerly been the site of one and prisoners were treated like slaves during the days many were forced to pick cotton while linked together on a chain. They worked six days a week and guards routinely beat them while they were restrained psychological and physical abuse persisted but non violent protests from their prison cells remained and effective tactic while crammed in six by eight foot cells with more inmates than the small space could fit. The activists communicated with each other through song. It was this resilience that war at Mississippi's incarceration system over three hundred freedom. Riders were sent to jail. That's summer and their efforts were not in vain as they crowded parchman prison. They drew international attention. Public outcry for the activists painted almost every newspaper in the country. It was this widespread public admonishment. That forced Attorney General Robert Kennedy to petition for the outlaw of segregation in interstate travel finally in September nineteen. Sixty one the interstate commerce commission which ran public transit imposed sanctions and penalties for violation of anti segregation laws. Three months later the new order went into nationwide effect. Passengers were permitted to sit wherever they pleased on interstate. Buses and trains white and colored signs were removed from the terminals. Drinking fountains toilets and waiting rooms for interstate. Customers were no longer segregated. The facility restaurant served all customers regardless of race today. The fight for racial equality remains an ongoing pursuit but we honor the freedom writers whose crime of disrupting the peace sparked necessary change. Thanks for listening today and crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more stories of power struggles and political intrigue. Check out the PODCAST. Original political scandals today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Nick Johnson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carl Madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today in true crime was written by Lauren. Hill with writing assistance by Maggie Admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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'Do Not Trust The Medical Or The National Security Establishment!' With Guest Robert F. Kennedy, Jr

Ron Paul Liberty Report

39:37 min | 11 months ago

'Do Not Trust The Medical Or The National Security Establishment!' With Guest Robert F. Kennedy, Jr

"Hello everybody and thank you for tuning into the. Liberty. report. With me today is Daniel McAdams are co host annual. Good to see you today. How did this to Paul I'm doing fine. To go and specially because we have a special guest today very. Well known and he's GonNa talk a little bit about the subject we've been talking about. We'll be talking to the expert about vaccines and other things but I. Our guest is a graduate of Harvard University and University of Virginia has a law degree teaches and very much interested in environmental things litigation against people who don't take care of our environment and how he spoke about a lot of time in that. But he's also become known a person of a lot of interest in the vaccine Robert Kennedy we welcome you to the program. Good. Now, we have a lot of questions for you. So we can flip a corn and take something, but I'm going to. Start off with with something that thought a lot about and you get a lot of questions about and and it's just just something before we get into the vaccines and that is the you know the very, very difficult situations that the Kennedy family had to go through and I've read most of the books about you know assassinations and problems, and the viewers are very interested in that. Could you give us a little bit of an idea because the for Libertarians the CIA were always little suspicious off. Is there anything that you can say about that? How do how do you psychologically handle out or what are your concerns I'm sure there's a of things you think about that you. Are Not factual yet, but you certainly made an effort to try to find out the truth by your ads killing and we really respect you for that. I wrote a buck of as kind of my earn aid is called American values. And it's really about my amyloid is fifth year or actually about seventy five year battle with I. Fight actually started at midnight F is an Herbert Hoover, actually truman. Had asked my grandfather Joseph Kennedy. Serve on a condition called Hoover Commission is chaired by President over. The. Look at the C. A. and it's all because. As you now this. was originally chartered was not chartered to engage at. Paramount leads her activity is fixing elections at murdering. Leaders interfering. With business and Other countries. And it was founded at the. Great, reluctance from both Republicans and Democrats because. It was after World Two. We had s during world, war Joe, and after World War. As as as liquidate. Elif, was at secret police organizations were inconsistent with. Emigrant Ideals, democracy swigs constitutional. Governance. And that it would roll and that they would end up enveloping at and a subverting democracy you know Americans autopsy thought of the. Thought of the KGB thought of that gets. Up. And they said and there were debates of Congress on when we were originally. As A. And both Republicans and Democrats said, this is not something that you should bid. When they? An exclusively an espionage. In I. M Men intelligence at in any interfering. And so then Allen was you know of manipulated law. And a lot of backroom deals to get these huge secret vijit's and began really engaging in. All of the Mesh of and my grandfather was on a commission that looked at as an saw what they had on. Our they were overthrowing democracies. Iran and all of the. and. He said we should analysts we should remove the. Plans. which was dirty tricks division from espionage. And Allen is never forgave him my family that. Came in the Bay of Pigs well, then I. Still I always believe that even from when I was a little bit when President Johnson came into the room and East Room of the White House. I was anti. When he said my father. At. Harvey. Guilt by Jack Ruby. Don't my father and Jackie. I said to my other. He loves Jack. Ruby. Love our family. And nobody answered that question. Later, my father did his on research and found out is connected mob to the CIA and these others initially wants to see I kill this other. I always leave the at. An. Idiot not to believe. What he congressional investigations and eighty. Which is present A. Conspiracy. On an I never believed that about I'd add I just laid Zirhan evidence against him was of well-maintained and he. The. Crime was evidence found in Rome. and. Employees Schrader who is one of my dad's best friend is antic beside my father when he was on and took a bullet to his head time he took versus or. And he said to me your father was a certain. And I need you. Talk to report and look at this evidence and as a favorite kind I want to do that. In one, get into all the conspiracy. Doesn't favor to fall because he was such a hero. My Dad to Cesar Chavez he was the number two guy at a united auto workers. Just, a stall or a friend of our families. House L. Outside of La and I sat down for a couple of days I went through the autopsy report on all this other are the end of the it was cleared in that Saran. Could not have dual my father. My father was killed by or shots that were fired from behind him. Sir Hand fired two shots as Roma's hit willing never got behind. My father was always thank him. He was six ten feet away. and Sir hand fired two shots. The first one hit all trade zach one hit a door jam behind my father has right passes ahead and Jim. Man He was grabbed by Rosie. Air. Johnson. An all these other people and there was a dog pile and they took the gun and they pointed away from my they couldn't get. If fired six shots and all of those shots if people. So we know who were shots of landed were fourteen shots fired and he is gone only had a revolver with Jamerson. Never. Reload. Or shots that hit add. All came from behind and. Good. Greatest Corner Merican history. His finding is that everyone of the contact the barrel Touching my other. At the time they fired and they were fired from behind an up angle. and. I think I who probably pulled the trigger? Is I call Eugene's NC. Her was a see I. Work for Lockheed. was working at IDA's security ardy at my job four days before. It was waiting for my father in the kitchen and one my father went through the Ambassador Hotel kitchen he grabbed him. By His Right arm or his left arm. and was standing behind him when the shots were fired and he had pulled his own gun, which was also at twenty two. And he was saying and it mid hit hold his gun. He said my father went other valleys onto Caesar. and. If, you look at the Mk all tra-. Manual about in other all action at the CIA is experimenting on creating these enter in candidates. Psychiatrists working for them set at it is that it was a It took them a year the turn somebody into a Manchurian candidate somebody who had actually commit murder involuntarily. But. They said, they can make a distracter her in three months. On anybody okay. Daniel within a lot for a couple of hours but we really news a couple of hours. This is a great interview. Robert ask you owe a long time ago I I got interested in politics before I ever went to Congress Some of these things were interesting to me and I was talking to old line conservative constitutionalist and he was well known at that time. He said to me he says, you know he had been somebody who spent time in this is the FBI a new, the holly. Originated and he he told me something it seems like you lean towards navy agreeing he told me he says, Ron he says, you know the this. Guy Is incompatible with a republic and. I didn't know exactly what he was saying about over the years I think I've come to that agreement is that too radical of a statement or would you certainly lean in? What I would say I would go even further, which is that you cannot have an age. And this is. This is a Whiz, the agents. You cannot have an imperial nation abroad and have a democracy at Each other if you if you be if you may allow your nations, the Romans did in out. Romas were Republic of two hundred years and then became a dictatorship. He became an imperial nation. You love all around the world anish. Robert and really the books I've read have indicated that both your uncle and your father had opinions that we're contradictory to those who thought we ought to be around the world and might have been part of the reasons that the assassinations occurred. I mean is. My uncle. Too much for it is as he's I national security order to thirty seven, which ordered all troops out of the on the first thousand. He only had sixty out advisers there ever put combat troops and. Rounded melador as who are doing them you gotta put a quarter million. American. Troops in the. End The day he left the Alice. As aid report of American mortalities among the advisors mainly, green berets helicopter pilots who earn in Vietnam and the and. You know and he was horrified and he's a student managers. This is not Worth one American life on them all out. He's on a national security order. Green the earth thousand men home by December of that year was killed in. November. One, hundred percent of the. Following. Is After. You know. The the one thing that. We want to do we want to talk about the vaccines and you have written a lot and you've been criticized you have been praised all along on vaccines and of course, as a physician and somebody involved in in politics and all I've been fascinated with because I've seen some things that happen with. Vaccination, how did you get your interested in that? Because you're a known expert and been working on this for long time it isn't like last month with Corona virus came up you studied started speaking out how did you originally get involved in vaccinations? I run the biggest reduction ruled the world consult water reliance I started out working for fishermen. And it's all commercial. Livelihood. Royd I-. Pollution, and I began litigating suing polluters on the river and. I ended up bringing over five hundred losses on onset and forcing. Five hundred almost five billion dollars. Hudson today is the richest in the North Atlantic international model for each protection and restoration. It is our pounds of fish for Acre biomass than any other what and the Atlantic Ocean off the equator. Miraculously resurrection the Hudson I, the creation of river keepers on what ways all over North America then all over the world. So now we have, we own the waterkeeper name Eric your sound Kiecker egg urged Cetera. We- licensees groups get started irony umbrella group which is called waterkeeper alliance. We have three hundred fifty water keepers. Each one has a troll, the troll of waterways and they sue loaders. In two, thousand three. The FDA published a study, a multi year study that show that every freshwater fish America. Dangerous. Levels of mercury in its lash. And it struck me an occupy wall at we were living in a science fiction. I might show the children of every other. Could now no longer engage salmon. Activity American news, which is. Interesting with mom or dad and local fishing hole then come up and safety fish though. A lot of the water keepers began sealing. The principal source for that mercury burning power plants and cement kilns. I two, thousand, five, I had forty lawsuits against mainly Goldberg Armbands in. In the states, the United States provinces of Canada and I was traveling all over north. East of. Great quoting legislation and explaining age Sarah. And Whenever I started having. Talking Large Group of these big forums. There were always these women who would appear in the front cease come early they would say and they talked to me. And they were all the mothers of intellectually disabled. And they were all eman believe their child. And they have is that an? Respectful. I If, you are really interested in it. Mercury exposure to children. You need to look at vaccines this up. After Paul Something I. Didn't want to do. I was raised on kind of a spirit of rights for intellectually the April I you know I was. On Iras also got other. Had me working at Special Olympics on I was eight years old as Hugger at. Coach. Is Do. One hundred hours during is. Working. With the restart and. Elliott's were on that issue as you know. I'm. The beginning. Time. Is that what I wanted to do in my life? I wanted to work on water on energy and I'm one of these women came to my home in the summer of two, thousand five she was a psychologist Minnesota and sat bridges. On had. Autism from haymarket vaccine and he had gotten recognition of Ed from the vaccine court he won the judge. Even twenty million dollars lifetimes or. He wanted to make sure didn't have anybody else and she brought a huge pile of studies about eighteen inches to my home in little Ongo IANNIS US chooses she put on my. As she said, I'm not leaving here to you read these and I'm very comfortable reading science. My whole life is an out science off all these lawsuits at one hundreds and hundreds. Of Involving signed the controversy So uncomfortable reading size I, know how to read it critically. I started reading these Aeneid I read the abstracts. And for I was four or five inches deep in that pile. I was just I'm struck about a huge Delta between the public health agencies were telling accents that if The actual publish. He reviewed science was. Really was I you know that's how I started on this wormhole and ruin my career and I live by the way. Career choice for. populars. I'm just well my first introduction legally or a campaign or the key with legislatively I was first elected. In seventy six and there was a swine flu and they were to vote against this inoculation which turned out I'm sure you know about how badly it turned out what people died from the flaxseed than they did from the flu but. Anyway, politics is involved medicine as I said, I read one place. That was not necessarily of a friendly site for you because they came up and then he talked about your position on. On. On Believes in into. Vaccine and autism they said the anti scientific position that you have. On the autism and and on and on on a vaccine. I delivered a lot of babies and I've seen a few bad results after the head shots and I'm not the expert on autism and vaccines but I'll tell you what we're I where my inquiries are I sip are for with because certainly, a lot of people don't buy into the people who write that and try to paint you as as anti-scientific as I know that's the kind of stuff you've had to put up with for a long time. And you know I've written. A book is in all this is I thought A. Are saying this course. The pharmaceutical cartel which controls our. Agencies telling Viva well there's groups. I'm autism is caused by Mexicans. Here's a thing. Look about it and. The Book I. Assume as a comes out. Everybody's just see what the truth is because. All I. Was I took all this is around fourteen hundred as. Any of them, a hundred sixty I'm showing at vaccines. I put him in one book and I summarize them with length. So anybody can walk. On. Got Twelve reviews book before the book. was ever circulated. Nobody. Read it. You know none of the reviewers read. Time magazine Newsweek all or. Arrowhead. Here's the thing is people should not list me about science people have to do. They shouldn't. You know what Isis is is this is what's in the review. Tony Algae's is science. CDC's as is odd science. Right? You want the science to read the view and ear. Is What the Institute of Medicine said. The Institute of Medicine is now is called the National Academy of Medicine. You know federal handle at the. Ultimate arbiter of Medical Science Congress, and H as a point that we want you to backstop CDC and make sure they're not cheating. Of the Institute of Medicine periodically goes in and looks at every couple of years has CDC's I has on. Vaccine Safety. May civically looked at the issue of autism. And they have a report in nineteen, Ninety Four. And I enjoyed thousand eleven in two, thousand, thirteen and two, thousand seventeen and all of those reports. A say to CDC you have never study Lang between autism and. Vaccines and in fact. As they said. When IT COMES One hundred, seventy, eight conditions that we believe are being caused. Accedes chronic diseases like diabetes aren't the as food allergies as all these things that exploded since I eighty nine. Vaccine Generation is the generation born after eighty nine. Six Generation History Autism Win for my generation from one in ten thousand. I kids generation one in every thirty, four kiss. As. C. OF INSTANT Madison looked at one hundred, seventy, eight chronic diseases are now afflicting this generation if four percent of the kids have chronic diseases and my generation, twelve grenell generation six. In the generation. The nineteen ninety-six was twelve percent. East kids the former. Law Seven IQ points. You know. Let. Me Just finish as the Institute of Medicine. To you know science on this and if they went through each of those conditions in each vaccine and when they came. On page five, fifty four. Of that report a game to autism and they said there is only one study that's ever been done about six vaccines that are given twenty six shots of maxine given the first. Six months of life. Study jazz at the Vaccines Cause Autism we're not gonNA use that study because it was based on disease system you know. It a gathering some. Housing. I'm said. Other than that studied, there's a single study on any of those vaccines at 'cause it's so the agencies have deliberately not. Eastern Hamis Hang. Is Robert Kennedy Lawyer Is National Johnny Medicine and. Daniel has a question for you, Robert. Kennedy, you're right. It's certainly not a wise career decision to challenge the prevailing paradigm vaccines. In particular I can speak for my family as father of three unvaccinated children. It's no better roses as a parent either we spent years being screamed at by doctors before we realized the best course of action just stopped going because it's only a vaccine conveyor belt when you go for your checkups but I wanted to. Go back to something that's a little bit more in the news and you made some waves in recent discussion with with Alec. Baldwin. You had an hour long discussion something that you mentioned there stood out because it's something that Dr Paul and I mentioned very often. Program you made the point that the death toll from the lockdowns and from the quarantines may very well exceed the Cova deaths in our current corona virus situation such a great point I would only add to it the the dangerous precedent sent that from the from the lowly county commissioners to all the way to the governor's our civil liberties can be switched off at the flip of a switch and you can't go outside anymore. So what would you? What would you say about the lockdown echo-vedettes? I you know. The he civilization different age, of ice. Is that you Were listening to. Algae telling us what the What cove in May do on various in areas in lockdown He may or may not be able to predict accurately. The we need. We need a broader discussion because we need to know not only what the benefits of locked on on Kovin or Taliban. Needs not with costs locked on as on Noncovic mortalities at me. I think they is really clear. Are really clear. That quarantine is guilt are more beautiful and Kobe. And there a study back in nineteen eighties back in the nineteen eighties, a Lotta people were studying the question of the impacts of. GIG ON. Down scaling up a huge corporations acton. Early eighties. There was a whole on. It was a whole than Zion, an industry science that emerge of academics field of economics that looked at impacts of employment on human life and other actors and light. Famous. As that has been I has been cited every. At at everyone point not employment are thirty thousand excess deaths. As an enumerated where they can make anything out of them were from heart attacks on nine hundred from. So I in addition by the way, this was at a time. When our population was forty three percent. Also really almost double that you could be unpacked some unimplemented. The in addition to that for thousand imprisonments and thirty, three, hundred extra. Emissions analyst. And you know if we have thirty points on employment which are predicting now we're talking about. A couple of million to ask which is much more from the unemployment. In addition to that, we have options to medical supply chains food supply. There are millions of people. Around the world because of the warranty. We've lost already about fifty thousand. Minority businesses permanently in this country. What is that going to do a report from? One Hospital in San. Francisco that said that the. The suicide rates the. Amount of suicides they were getting an optional a got one on a year worth it was twelve, one, hundred percent increase. I'm I know from on experience at in this is really an alcohol. I read as this I. Know that a lot of people are suffering from addiction issues right out of there, you can't go to eight. To twelve innings locked in. Is Asian does not mix with addiction and and. I'm an alcohol read as I can't side it an- anybody who is on the on it. Out Girl sales are up six hundred years. Oh in England. Isolation kills people do in England and this is true. There's similar sunny. Any Italy. England. During five weeks in April and May. As in they call elder care facilities, we call them nursing homes. Said thirty, thousand excess deaths an only ten thousand dollars. Govan. Thousand of from people. Who didn't get dialysis in air heart. then. Isler couldn't get to a doctorate and had a complaint. And they ended up. And he urged Cancer Jacks. All of these things are on his let me say one other thing because it's my party that is pushing. I think. Is Not exactly as as much more emigrants pushing warranty and I really think it's GonNa come back and hurt all the values and my part is represented or whatever. We are dismantling the new deal now. All of you know all the people that we health care reform for under Obama era. In sixteen million Americans have low of laws healthcare. Is the beginning of those that's going to be a tremendous number of doubts probably more than Kobe. and. Then you know all the other programs to pay for this three bill trillion dollar debt running. How's that? I've been through an been through? Periods in our. country. In the states are are scrambling to pay their death. A can't put off the dead like US Manhattan has no constitutional provision that eight. Budget and the only way to do that. Is the fire teacher op school lunch programs as or absent schools who ends up. I xe, education. Seeing happening, we're going to see the destruction of all the new do programs of unemployment in Medicare. Social Security. You'RE GONNA. See a huge shift. In wealth ameliorated class our country to the very very rich and we're already seeing at. Richest billionaires in this country Robert you may call yourself Democrat. You sound pretty independent minded eighty. Yeah. We, we have a follow up question. I. Was just going to add to what you were saying about an even worse when they start opening up because look what's happening in the schools, they're basically opening up firehoses of disinfected and spraying these schools down these poor kids. They are mostly immune to this. We know that we have the data they're going to be straight with God knows what kinds of chemicals on their bodies to disinfect these school. So it's almost worse for these pork is going back to school. and. I think also. You know it's a kid in this country. The death rate among children. Flow is higher than the death rate for, of course. The death rate, the risk for child somebody lives under twenty years old. Of the I from chronic virus is era. How you know there's a couple of years where it's happened and they headline. News all the time but the mathematical. The Mathematical Risks Ajaj is zero right, and so then the question becomes. What are you in? How are we going to force these kids to live? I am a huge Zach is in their lives. In order including taking vaccine. To protect the older people. That is a very dic-. We're GONNA. Sacrifice the kids to you know because there are some hypothetical bath to older people. And it's real in their schools know the one I think real concern is the teachers. I'm. Getting. I think. Risks were posing on the gets now of teaching method hurt can't. Hug. Friends that they're human beings are I o hazards that they should be aired on I'm. Ron We're supposed to be the land rate. Ending of Franklin, Roosevelt said World War Zone Only, thing we have to fear is it self reason? He's a he's audit fear. Was the instrument of tyranny and authoritarian rule and in Germany and Spain Italy. The radical leaders had used that fear a depression to. End Democracy and do. Fascism. In Raja. Eaters fear to go into communists. Roosevelt at something different. We're not going to be scared. We're going to stand together and. We're GONNA ZANDT. We are not going to give into fear that's the only. Because we're going to get through this. Is, not. Scared. Any preserve democracy and preserved? Government and you know he that I have. Now we've always auditions and oppress which, of course, the Arma. Okay. I'm GONNA FINISH UP. But I WANNA get your opinion on what the odds of a self salvage some of these problems because we as Libertarians went voluntary solutions to people get together and volunteer anybody mess up they're liable. The other option is authoritarianism and mandates. Of course, we see in a lot of the and that foul she's and the gates of. The Terry's and they dictate but then you say, well, they'll be liable no the congress exemption for their liability. So how are we going to change that mentality which is what we face up to. We think we have a lead on what we should do. You put your effort up but. Do you have days that you're less optimistic than other days because I think that's basically West has to change is is the people's attitude and dependency on being taken care of provide everything and Then remove the liability of the people are making all the money. I mean I'm not optimistic pessimistic because I think either. I you know listen I. GotTa work. I'm GONNA fight as I. Know is right I. Know It's wrong to fight. And I have while I was. On. Keep fighting. Win All to. Gordon, we're going to beat them on the streets. I is GONNA. Be You know this is this is a baclig. Panel. It's really something I never thought would happen I I'm. All the values of our country are being subverted atten. In we've been through listen. In sixty nine urged flu pandemic and his country. and. I'm at a higher death rate covid. Hundred thousand. Americans died only half of. And we all went to woodstock. Already. We we went to woodstock and it wasn't in the brass. is part of life. It's all about perception ultimately. This is being used as. Is Security Agenda? Which Taeb and Pushing for some many years. Isn't Alvidi dominant agenda, of course, is the biggest tool for flirts areas because. As you know. Gerbil said as Or gearing said or An number of you. How did you get the German people? To move like sheep do whatever you said and he said it's easy. To be a fascist got. In on Arc in democracy, it doesn't matter US fear. Is You people point to something is that each year that I'm the only one who can say? Anything you tell them to do. And so for many years, we've been pointing Communist. You gotTA behavior on because they're gonNA at you or whatever. Now they've got something is you know you're of this disease which gives them a power note tyrant in history. The conduct shut down the entire nation they played. I'll go to the beach on your girlfriend. It's crazy. and. You know it's not proportional. It is not proportional to the Frat and that's what I don't I like risk. Very Go. You know people actually are are fearful and things they ought of easier. Around, fearful of light in all the time. We're we're we're on our way we'll keep plugging away and. We enjoyed so much about having you on Robert is I, think it brings people together. We don't have all the agreements all the way down initially but for something like this, which is really really serious problem to build alliances, we need them because there's no one person to get up and say, this is what you're going to do. So I, want to express my deep appreciation and our program deep appreciation for you being with us today.

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These are broken times

Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly

15:50 min | 1 year ago

These are broken times

"Ten seconds all right okay. Now I'm ready. He can't go. Are we wait? Hold on hold on. We've been ready whatever let's do it. Let's hope so. I'm literally GonNa Start My backup recording now. All right good well. Whatever turns out you can master multi squad guys that's right. It's Friday so ready so Friday. I know it was a short week and yet it was still a long week. I'm molly would welcome back. Chiral and I are going to try to make today make sense. I didn't even say his name right. But that's all right we're here. We're reunited Friday show. I said the Dow industrials runway on the big show this afternoon. Sean the was like you're GonNa fix it. I'm like no. Nobody's like now. Everyone knows everyone knows. We're all barely added. Now we are. I believe on Youtube. ON VIVO. At the moment on direct bigalow. French were live one hopes so I believe sounds okay good. I'm looking at you do. I'm not looking at anything. I'm just here Do now I'm not gonNA look at Youtube but I tweeted it so I'm sure it's happening. It's definitely It is Friday is the end of. I don't even know how to put this week in context but I guess that's our job so we're going to get started my beverages. Rei Items First of all. What are you drinking if anything It is in fact related. I'm having what I'm what I'm calling a variation on a Purple Viking if you can see purple biking I'll explain in a minute. Basically Gin and tonic with a little low and then I just recently discovered this stuff called butterfly p power extract and it makes that ends up in your drinking. Yeah it's like a I mean it's it's a t people make tea out of it. Butterfly PEA flowered. Tea Is never not fun to say. And then you can buy the extract and you can make these colored cocktails and I decided to make my mind into a purple drink. Because Minnesota's on my mind today the liking is that they make their which we'll discuss it. He gets the news part but we absolutely will I hang on. I have to do some screen adjusting here. I apologize because clue can do this myself. I am drinking. It's backwards on this camera. How about that Three Weavers local brewery in Inglewood California Do a double. Ipa called Naughty. It's quite good. I've had it before and I think you've had it on this pod. Anyway that's drops snow. What you're drinking. Would you put it in the comments? Take your pick whatever you want to do. Yeah exactly we had. Actually somebody say and I love this. I put it on twitter. I was like get a snack. Get your nine alcoholic drink. Get your morning coffee because apparently somebody is joining us from somewhere across. The notion is literally having morning coffee with us live so yeah whatever off need. I love that to get through the next twenty minutes or so. I'm just like by the way I say that now because I'm warning Sam that when he wants to send us a note this like it's getting a little long we're going to be like no. I think so funny when he does that. It's because it's like please. I Love Them. I know exactly like I have to cut. This guy's trying. Yeah I say not for the first time. Don't cut it. Let's do it live. We'll just do alive. Do but good luck buddy. Good luck all right Okay you WanNa go or you want me to go you go. I'm quite curious okay. What strikes and you're going in today. I'm only look this is very interesting. So I I'm a public radio Person but I'm also a public radio listener and the other day on all things considered I heard a segment with Mary. Louise Kelley and EJ Dion and David Brooks And it was like a choosier Wednesday or something. There wasn't their usual Friday weekly politics thing and it was about leadership in times of National Crisis And they talked about Reagan and the Challenger and the touch the face of God's speech. They talked about Obama at the church in Charleston and singing Amazing Grace And they talked about one of my favorite impromptu speeches of all time. Robert Kennedy and I think Indianapolis in nineteen sixty eight after Martin Luther King was killed and Two things number one. It was extraordinary. Encourage you go back to read and Number to listen to it And then different books wrote a column about it And and his his There's a word for this in speechifying. The repetitive phrase. That is the is the cadence of the speech and Brooke says if we had a real leader he would be bracingly honest if we had a real leader should remind us of our common covenants common purposes. Anyway it's a it's a well piece It's it's extremely sobering. Especially you know. The theory was when they did it. It was all about The Kobe in a hundred thousand people nine but now you take Minneapolis into it and it becomes all the more impactful and I I. I can't remember recommend it. Highly enough re revived brooks. And then go listen to the peace or do it the other way or not but if we had a real leader is the is the through line in that piece. That's beautiful it's beautiful and it's funny because what I brought today is essentially also art in a way. There's this photo it's an AP photo and it's been making the rounds on twitter. I saw a friend of mine. Tweeted it But the photographer who took it wrote a basically a poem at the top of it but it looks the I mean it is just. It is an extraordinary photo like put the Pulitzer on a shelf. Yeah it is. It looks like Renaissance Painting and in fact. It looks like you know the old I for some reason. I'm thinking of the photo of like what is the one where Washington they're about to cross the river Delaware. Yeah I think yeah that one. So it's like if Washington and a bunch of soldiers were about to cross the Delaware wh- painting be called embarrassing. Anyway that one but it is just I mean it's like so it's all these young people in Minneapolis and there. I believe based on what the where the photo is taken watching. The police precinct burn. Yeah and it just. It's amazing and there is like hope and fear and panic and they're so young and it just like everything that's happening there is is is everything that is happening in America. Like when we look at and look. It's not just the the long long history of racial disparity in racial violence and racism in this country. That is happening. You know today. It's also that like covid. Nineteen in this country our response to Covid nineteen is also a story of racial violence. And like I there's A. There's a piece in the San Francisco. Chronicle today that says that a one farm in Tennessee every employee tested positive for covid. Nineteen like we someday. There will be ven diagram of the day that the study on racial disparity and Covid nineteen came out and the day that our government stop fighting it so hard because like we have essentially said we we started to use essential as shorthand for black and Brown and expendable and like the disparity is so stark. And so when you look at the rage that's happening in Minneapolis. You you cannot say that. That is anything other than all of it. All of this moment all happening at the exact same time. And it's just it's devastating. Check out this picture. It's extraordinary we will put it on our show page wherever it is up all tweeted out here in a minute to Yeah it's it's kind of gretel. It is kind of incredible Yeah these are these are these are broken times. Yep that's what I think we're at. I think we're broadening. Put it all right all right. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA pull up my screen here so I can see whether you're crying. I just need to double check. Okay good so so it could be aware. I like to be aware okay. Unless he watches the video later which we all agreed would be heard so the crying and had a peak it is by the way Washington crossing the Delaware. Eighteen fifty one is one. It was painted Which is not a renaissance painting. I know don't email me but it's like on the one hand. It looks like renaissance painting. But it reminded me of that one. Look this is their this is these are soldiers at war in a way like it's just yeah anyway. Don't look away I guess is all say. Don't buy this if we had somebody hit me when the last thing and then we'll What do you like better to coordinate? What I find is what if amazing about our lineup. Today as we did not coordinate that whole that emotional punch was completely spontaneous. It happens not infrequently I think I know there's a little bit our house. We have been doing a show together a little too long. It's going to start looking like each other. So as we started our livestream get stuff together. Molly Chi said I need a haircut. Which is like. Let's be honest now. True of just about every and so TV has been struggling to try to come up with what to put on TV and I say that I think. Cbs has on an absolutely genius thing. And tonight tonight. I'm Friday eight seven central on CBS. They're doing haircut night in America and they're going have a whole because you can watch and cut along with it. I think it's like I think they've got a whole. They've got like all these hairstylists and they're gonNA show people like techniques and apparently it's like how do the perfect diy haircut color and style at home? Are you GONNA do that? I didn't preorder preorder. Apparently could have preordered some some color. I mean maybe I've been trying to get my son to let me cut his hair but I have to admit yesterday so I cut my boyfriend's hair curly hair so it's really easy to hide. I'm like apparently a born homestead or who knew but he hasn't curly hair so my hair straight hair and you know it looks good. I've cut my hair like you know I'm sure my wife got my here like six weeks ago And she didn't really shop is great. There's some tension going in. May but she had a glass of wine and it was all set. We're we're do again. I will tell you that. She has ordered supplies in color. And whatever and she was going to do herself but it's been sitting on the mental for like a month and a half and she's like she has to watch this tonight. Okay all right. I told my hairdresser has to do like a big long facetime call and just get a little drunk and you're gonNA show me how to color my hair. It's going to be great. We can totally do this. So we'll see how next week's livestream that's right. That's exactly right there is. There's no risk for me right. I'm like yeah come on here. Whatever I'm in radio matter your wife did a great job because you put it on. I think smashing job I think so. I think you're okay so mine Is Sort of predicated on the idea that eventually were all going to start leaving our houses again and when we all leaving our houses again and this will certainly apply in. My House won't and I believe yours as well. What are our dog's going to do because they have been having human companionship. Twenty four hours a day for ten weeks and so there's a piece in the New York Times the basically says look unity at your dog ready for when you're not around anymore and and it suggests things like start leaving leave. Leave your dog a little pilot treats and get your keys in your wallet and step outside the door and stay there for five seconds and then come back into let the dog notes. Okay and the next time. Go out for fifteen seconds and let the dog know. Took all kinds of stuff and and look as we've talked about on this podcast before dog. Adoption and pet adoption has been really popular. And that's great during this lockdown. But eventually you know they're going to have to fend for themselves. You're going to have to push them out of the nest as it were and and be humane about a New York. Times has some ideas. I'm just saying if we're being honest they might be fine to get rid of you for a little bit just saying there. They'll be so excited to see each other again. My dogs are like we hang out with any other. Dogs were really. That's all sweet. Darlings trading them for the for the after times I don't know what are we going to call that we've got the before times? What are we going to call the new times? The I dunno probably just the President I guess because it will life life relatives call it life. Exactly don't say the new normal because what is normal all right. That is it for us. Look at that was actually only thirteen minutes. Sam didn't even have to nudge us. We can we can get through a whole range of emotions. And shockingly short amount of time those actually right. We went down and we came back up when we came back up. Because that's what we do because we don't want to leave you hanging in the sad. Please send us your thoughts and questions especially your questions if you want to send them and voice memo form you know we love to get those make me smart marketplace Dot Org? We answer those of course on Wednesdays your answers so the make me smart question which is different from any old question. What is something we later found out? You were wrong about and finally the newsletter make smart dot org slash newsletter. So many were just trying to keep you busy on the weekend. To keep you busy your same Anderson produces and directs this particular podcast or digital producers Tony Wagner senior producers. Jody Becker Ben. Heck Code Does Video Ethan. Parents is our intern video. Wise archipelago right. The newsletters rights rather the newsletters. Also the smart speaker skills. Check those out to. Today's program was engineered by Charlton Thorpe. Our theme music was composed by Ben Tolliday Daniel Ramirez the executive director of on demand attorney says the Senior Vice President and general manager is Deborah Clark. And thanks all of you for hanging on the livestream like it's so exciting. The the live chat on Youtube is going crazy. It's all happening even break. It cheers to you. Cheers you everybody out there. Thinks PT or whatever. Reply Flower Pete. Butterfly people. Our tea extract. Gin and tonic is fully. Yeah but Lennox meeting a cute Little Cup little mason jar their detail not ever no seriously my my like oh no it is it is over. It's three forty five in the afternoon. I've had a beer. It's like naptime. You kidding me.

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Paranormal Hollywood

The Confessionals

1:48:02 hr | 2 years ago

Paranormal Hollywood

"This is all circulating around the base that giant kill almost talk about. Long bony fingers underneath the door curl up to grab it. And then disappeared. When he came over to me. Dude. He slithered over to. This giant comes out of the cave with frozen. Starts running firing. At the giants giant moon. Running really fast. It's fears, then like this. Else. Shoot him shoot him in the face. It basically potato. Got about fifteen yards. Wait. For gave my bloated up. From my leg, and I look over there are two mall, gray. And they're literally getting pulled off that. Reach my hand Bush, and I bear couldn't breathe couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yup. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to the confessionals. I am your host. Tony mirko. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or store, you'd like to share with me on the show. Go ahead and shoot me an Email, my Email addresses, the confessionals podcast at g mail dot com. That's the confessionals podcast at gmaiLcom or go the website, the confessionals podcast dot com hit the connection section and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me. Just get a hold of me. Now this week, we have Kristin coming on the show and Kristen's gonna share a bunch of her experiences. She's had now she works in the film industry. She works in some major movies. She worked on some major TV shows for net flicks. She's really, well ingrained. And she has some stories to share that she experienced while she's in the movie industry. Some of the stories that she experienced with her mother. She has a wide range of accounts, even being chased at area fifty one. If you haven't had a chance, go back and listen to the censored episode that we dropped early morning Saturday. It's a extra bonus. Episode that we all decided to put together for you guys. It was me, Timothy Renner west Girma and dark waters, we talked about a lot of different topics. But the main topic was censorship. And so if you haven't had chance to listen to that go back and listen to that after you listen to this show, I think you'll enjoy it, and please share route your friends and let you guys know, once again, we are going to be at Pericon in spring city Pennsylvania at Penn. Hearst pen, her society. A very well known haunted places one most haunted places in the world, and we're gonna have a vendor's table. They're at Pericon. So if your interested in coming out, meet me and all the guest speakers grant Wilson. Go to the website, the confessionals podcast dot com hit the love event section and go ahead and purchase your tickets there. Now I'll see their July twentieth through twenty first to now that we got all that other way. Let's get to Kristen right now. The Hollywood Beatrice sort, this is not resort. It is the old hotel. When I got in there, I went in very opulent. It was built in the nineteen twenties. I think nineteen twenty five it was built beautiful hotel by, you know, busyness benders, but it's been absolutely. Let golly two twin bed. There was no sheep. The everything was that white nasty nineteen ninety to look in cabinet. The floor was like laminate, but it had been shipping. It was it was pretty nasty. But it was just it was it was a very creepy place. And so, at the end of the couple of weeks that we were there, we're moving in this apartment. And so I called my mom like mom, you know, you come up and help me do this, and she's like sure nothing you can stay with me and my awesome hotel room. Does she came up and she ended up staying with me? And so she moves their stuff in and and you know this is the first night. And so, I think she was stay with me, only to the first night, nothing. But the Beckett night sees basically, we decided to go to bed early. My mom thing about my mom is like my mom sleeps, she's dead. Like what she lays his bed, she lays on her bath, and then she's out cold, but she looks like she's dead. Like you'd have to like, you know, make sure she's still alive or something so she's done. She doesn't snore. She doesn't. She just out and so complaining bed, and I think my mom had been the sleep at least an hour, and all of a sudden, my mom rises up, okay? Like it's the weird. I have to describe it in the like, have you ever seen somebody like they there's laying flat in the rise up, but they're not supporting their body just rise. Interesting position in on, like looking at my mom, mom, not responding to me, and she's got her finger pointing and she's like qisas days out, and then he like to it, and she looked over at me, and I was like, mom. What are you doing? And she's like. In the morning, packing our stuff and we're getting out of here. Okay. Today, I have a great guest coming on Kristen. How you doing? Great L E. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing great now. You're, you're a unique person as I got to know you stuff just because you work in the movie industry. He worked at, you know, Hollywood industry whatever you wanna call it. And you actually went to the, the school, I applied to write a high school and decided not to go to full sail university, I applied and was accepted to go to there for audio production. But that's not what you went for what you go for. I graduated from there and thousand three and I went for film. So I if about eighteen months when out fresh out of high school outlived kind of, like, plummeting meat into the real world, very quickly when I was done. So, yeah, that's actually why I didn't go because I graduated high school in two thousand three and I was seventeen years old, and I would have my own apartment in down there in Orlando, as far as I understood they didn't have any dorms right now now. And. Live with my cousin so you know it. Yeah, it kinda wanna it's very expensive. But, you know, you kind of have to try to train you for the real world. And Thirdly did train me for the real world. Release the film industry for. Yeah. I just I was there's something inside of me. I was like dude, you're seventeen. I cannot move to Orlando. Florida and have my own apartment. I was like, that's just a bad ideas. There's a lot of people that go to that school that you have that exact problem. So I just I know me and I knew I wouldn't be able to do it, and so I decided not to and actually after Lindsay and I got married, I actually reapplied, and I was really considering moving down there to go to that school because at that time my sister in law lived in Orlando. And so we had some family down there things like that. And I was really thinking about it, but I didn't. And I'm kind of glad I didn't just because it's just would have been more student loan debt today would have had to pay back because I'm still paying back. I'm probably pay my student loans backs on my fifty. So kinda sucks. Anyways, you had a lot of different experiences throughout your life, and they're all, you know, more paranormal experiences. No, you listen to ask watch chronicles in your big fan of that, that show. So you kinda come from things with a different perspective. But before we dive into things, and stuff, I just want to let the audience know that, you know, a lot of the things that you're gonna be talking about is with a lot of, you know, very well known films. TV shows you're currently working in the industry. What do you do in the industry right now? I am a art department coordinator. So basically, what ideas I oversee the occupy movement. We build the fat we decorate it. I I'm kind of the. I like to tell people who watch game of thrones the best way to understand what I do for a living is, is. I'm the hand of the king. Okay. Yeah. Basically, like the right hand person to the art director and designer and I'm the make happen person. But it wasn't always that case, you know, when I first got out and got into the business, I was an assistant, and I had to go get coffee and get lunch. And you know, pay my dues just like the next person. I know we're not supposed to be talking about this stuff, but, I just, you know, with that aspect of things you starting out as an assistant stuff in those moments of being assistance is did you ever feel like you were never gonna get where you're at now did ever feel like this is pointless? I'm just getting coffee kind of thing. Or did you kind of have a long-term vision with what you were doing? You know, everybody think, has moment where they feel that way. But I always knew in my heart at this is where I was supposed to be. This is what I was supposed to be doing. So I I just kept going. And there, you know, I guess there could be a whole podcast GIS on how to survive in the film business. But I you know, I had highs I had lows and I just kept going, but I always knew even to this day, you know, this is where I'm meant to be. And I've had wheel people, you know, job working, you know, I've in regular places. I say regular I don't mean that enough. Of way. But, like I come from show business, but like I held like a nine to five job. And it just for me. I wasn't filling what I felt like my purpose was so that makes sense. Like I just always knew, you know, so he gave me comfort to kind of think I'll just keep going at it, you know, until the day I stars on still gonna try. No, I totally get. And the reason why I asked that step is because I talked to a lot of people obviously with my show and a lot of people, you know, Email me things like that. And you, you get some people that are either thinking about starting a podcast or, you know, even my younger brother who's working to own a company himself. I always tell people that you have to have micro efforts with macro vision, you have to you have to be you have to be playing this game for the long term. You have to see that success is five years down the road, even though you gotta work in the present like success is going to happen tomorrow. I think too many people, you know, they get so narrow minded with what's going on in the immediate that they don't they have a hard time projecting. What's going to happen, five years from now if you keep on putting that effort in things don't magically happen? You gotta put time and effort in and you know that I don't know why I I'm I'm really big on on that kind of stuff. And I know this isn't that kind of show. So I'll just move on. But. Anybody true though? It's I think that if one thing to say on this subject, before moving on, though, is that anybody out there who want something in life. You have to be able to go for it. You have to take the risk because I, you know, was a kid I grew up in Florida and it was just far away, poly real from Hollywood is, you can get was three thousand miles away the other side of the country. And, you know, had I had all kinds of things going against me. I wanted to be an art department. I was a woman, you know, don't even get me started. But I mean I I fought for it. And I think that if you wanna do something with your life, you have to just go for it. Otherwise, you'll never know that and failure is not about, you know anything but just trying and picking yourself back up and, and you have to fail in order to succeed. You know, exactly failures part of learning. There's a there's a book that I read in my early twenties it's called Phil failing forward or learn to fill forward or something like that as basically taking every. Relation that, that you're in whether you're succeeding, or failing and finding something learn from it, and you're, you're absolutely right. I mean, I it, it takes time and effort, even with my podcast. I mean I legitimate work sixty plus hours a week just driving truck where I can't do anything with the podcast, and then I have my family, and then I had the podcast and it takes a lot of time and effort in the patrons. No, they see it. They see me do these interviews and things like that they know the effort that I put into this stuff, and it's like a lot of people at work. They're like, why do you do it? Where do you find the time? And it's like when you're passionate about something like you don't worry about being tired. I mean being tired is just the norm because you're doing something that you enjoy doing. It's not it's not a burden. It's, it's just a right of passage. You know the being tired is just part of that process. And you know, that's just the way I look at things what'd you say very true. It's only now. Yeah, I know. I mean you message me yesterday and you say, I have we're still good for tomorrow. But I am extremely tired. I should be good though. So I'm glad we're doing this and you know let's just jump into things here. You had several different things happening throughout your life. Even when you were a little girl, but we're going to put that one aside for a little bit. And let's, let's you, do you wanna start with the Ambassador Hotel, or do you wanna start with the Hollywood beach resort that you were living in now, definitely start with the embassador. Away. They got slew to go for it while it's often like we've been talking about the whole, you know, film and school and whatnot. Because their particular incident came for me, very, very early on in my career, I had just the kind of let the listeners understand the context of what I was going through where I was at the time I had moved to Los Angeles right after I graduated from college. I, I fought really hard to get a job right out of school because my father, even though we laugh about it. Now, my dad would threaten me and say, you know, if you don't get a job you're coming back to Sarasota, Florida and you're going to, you know, work at the local news, and I was like, no way. You gotta get that black thing. I'm gonna do. So I, I work this terribly hard like make connections and, and get myself out there and it paid off. I mean I ended up getting hired on my first feature was of Paramount Pictures. I was just turned twenty years old. And I flew out to Los Angeles. And I ended up working on this movie, and while there, I ended up become very good friends with a set decorator she and I just we were to kindred spirits, like we just really connected. And so the first year of meal living in Los Angeles, I was struggling assistant. I was in arkie in PA, and I was trying to find my place energy, and it was kind of tough going because, you know, you don't have network, you're all that way away from your family. I didn't have any friends and they only friends that I did have were the people that I was working with. And so I ended up getting a phone call from her. The following fall, this is about a year into my living in Los Angeles, and she could she called me, and she's been working on this movie, and I really would like for you to come into be my step decorating coordinator. And then what that meant was a big bump up for me, and I wasn't going to get in to the union. There was an issue. I mean, this is like aside from anything ghost related. But I the whole thing was they were supposed to be able to grandfather me in the union, and she really wanted for that to happen for me. And so it didn't happen. And I ended up coming onto this humongous moving this action movie as that decorating coordinator. And so we ended up moving into this old kind of nineteen twenties production office, that was in West Hollywood and. Because I was, you know, working in Jeff decorating, I was kinda Quested into the back room there were French doors. It was just a big open area. And it was just me and the decorator and, and then the art department they were kind of out in the hallway and down into another room, but I wasn't really with them, but every single day we would eat together, and there was kind of bomb, it was really nice because, you know, I would be doing my own thing, and working very hard and then launch time roll around, and we would all sit together as a department. And so I came onto that movie about a month late. So basically what happened was is by the time I came on. They were already scouting locations though for everybody who doesn't understand how the film industry works the production designer the director, the producers and the DP they all go out on preliminary scouting. So they go and they pick the. These location if it's crooked that they need to be in a bar. They'll go and look at, like five bars, and they'll do this every single day until the chosen all of their location. And then the company which that's what we call the big giant group of us been production company goes on tech scout. And the tech out is designed for the grip and the electric and all these people to see where the powers run in for the transpose people know where they can park, the travelers. So it's one of those things, so I had when I had come on, they had just come back the designer and the DP and all them had just come back from doubting the Ambassador Hotel. And for those of you who don't know your history, the Ambassador Hotel is where Robert Kennedy was native. It is it was a landmark in Los Angeles. It's no longer there, but it was a big deal and appetite. Time. This is the right around he thousand four. It was about a year before the ended up demolishing it. But at the time it was just basically used for filming. They had shot them episodes of the there, and a couple of other movies, but, you know, it, it was pretty run down into correct. Not that point. So when they had come back, and they said, oh, you know, we just went to the basket her, and we've got a we got a four like the location manager arranged for them to be able to go through the embassy room, which is where Robert Kennedy had had his rally before he was assassinated. And then they location manager had taken them back into the kitchen and showed them area. Well, you know, at the time we didn't have digital cameras and cell phones kinda like everybody has handy now. So, you know, the designer came in and he has. Ended the production assistant of bunch of those disposable camera. Then he says to hurry goes, you know, go get these developed we need to pull the best photos and put them up on the reference ball. And so she did. And it was like a day later, there was, you know, she came back from having them developed, and she's going through them, and I remember she comes in. She's like, am I crazy? Or is there a bait in this photo? And I looked at it, and I was like. Yeah, I wouldn't that. She's like she's like this is from all the pictures. They took in the kitchen. I was like, are you serious? She's like, yeah, and so we went, and we showed it to the coordinator, we showed it to somebody other people that are in the office and they're like, oh, my God. There's a they in this pitcher. And so, basically to kind of, like, describe it. They had taken a photo of floor where Robert Kennedy. Robert Kennedy had died, and I guess, like the location manager headsets like this is the vicinity in the kitchen, blah, blah, blah where it happen. And so they were taking richer. So this is a picture of floor, and there's kind of, like, you know, I kind of like remember being like trash kind of in the background of the photo, and then you could see the feet of whoever took the pitcher. And then in the I believe it was in there. Yeah. The right hand corner of the photo, there was like this. White flag Ma looking wasn't a face in the sense that like you would see details of, like, you know, you couldn't tell who it is, like, I would be lying to you. If I was like that was still in so wasn't it was like. Yeah, it was like this plasma white white if gold looking. Org. But it had black eyes off kits and black mouth. And it was eerie. Yeah. So after that happen, like they ended up like putting that photo op and our department and everybody was like this is behold, the haunted hotel and whatnot. But the thing is I'm a big history nerd, so aside from them all being like we got a faith in our photo. I was like, I totally had forgotten that, that goes hell was famous for, you know, being, you know, the site of Robert Kennedy assassination, and it was also famous because that's where Marilyn Monroe was discovered. So it how it was a pretty often place ago so that being dead. We, we were like already shooting. And so what happens is decorated, usually we go into the location, probably like a day or two depending on the schedule to dress and I had been putting in a lot of time at work. It was my first bump up. I wanted to, you know, make everybody happy. I wanted to, you know, do a good job. So I was at the production office. It was like around nine o'clock. Can I get a phone call from the decorator and she says to me, you have to come down to the hotel goes, it's incredible to you have to see this? If you're not gonna come to set in the morning, you have to come now, and I was pretty wiped out like this, the last thing I wanted to do is like go, you know, down to the bathroom, which was. Within the best part account. You know it wasn't like great. But I did, and I got down there. It was around nine nine thirty and they were for those who kind of need understand the layout of the Ambassador Hotel, basically, it when you drive in there's these, there's the main hotel, there's the coconut grove, which is very famous and then to the left, when you came in there, were these bungalows, and I think that originally, the bungalows were more of like administrative offices, but they later, I don't, I don't know what they were used for. But they basically look for look like two story little apartment. So they were dressing that, and that's where I went I that's where the decorator was. And so went over there, generally Christian. Covenant then men, you gotta see this place and I walked up the stairs. And it was so, humid in there, you think like a fall day in Los Angeles, there was, you know, it was not supposed to. Be like that. But I walked in there and I was like a flashback of Florida like I just was wetting. And so one of the set dressers Macy's like you gotta come back in this room. She's like three thing back here. And I was like, what do you have the ACO? No, no is weird. She's like it keeps moving around. And so, you know, they brought me up. They brought me into the room where they were gonna shoot. And sure enough, you know, it was real cold in this one spot, but it wouldn't like stay there like it would kind of like disappear and then like you'd walk around the room and hot and human. Next thing I walked into a wall of cold, and so they were all talking about it. And of course, working themselves up and the decorators she comes to meet, she goes business, not when I want you'd see she goes, I gotta take you into hell. And so we ended up walking into the hotel, and I'm thinking she's gonna give me a tour, right? And so we start walking down this corridor, and she stopped me. And she's like, I have some bad news for you. I'm like, oh my God. What is she going to tell me? And she says to me, she goes, you know, the coordinator is she's not very happy that you're not in the union and Seafield like she's taking on a lot of work that had a union person, but in your position she wouldn't necessarily have to do so she's complained. And when we move our unit to Las Vegas, they have to replace you with a with a union person today. I'm like, she just like delivered the hardest news to me, and I was like, oh my God moving my job. And so I was a little like in a bad. But at that moment, and she's telling me this in the middle of this hotel when this long corridor, like ten o'clock at night, it, it's just me and her, there's not another soul in this place. And she says to me, she's like, don't work. About it. You're not going anywhere right now, at least minimum keep you on his Mississippi. But you just can't go to Las Vegas like I don't want you to get that I wanted you to come down here and see the hotel. But I do I just I also felt like it was time for me to tell you what was going on. So like, do you wanna see the set just like you know, let's walk down and was going. We were shooting this bathroom. And so they were in their dressing and putting in the lights, and she's like come with me. She's like let's go down there, and let's be the bathroom, and I'm going, okay. So obviously, she's like a head of me, three or four paces walking toward, where they're dressing and we're walking down the hallway and. I'm like, now that trying to hold it and I'm trying to keep it together. And so I'm keeping my distance and trying to like pull it together. I didn't want her to see the emotion on my faith, and he wanted to be the defeat. Apparently, you know, like I was twenty years old, and I wanted to just cry. But as walking down we were passing this cafe and the cafe is. Like everything in this hotel looked like they literally just left like an like it was like everybody in his raptured or something, and nineteen seventy five. I mean, the sag carpeting, there was it was it smelled like the seventies. I mean cigarette smoke. It just it looked like a time machine a time capsule. And so we are watching passes cafe. It was all clear windows, during that. There was painting like you know, the that paint that you can, like right on windows with, like it had the name of the cafe, but it was worn off. And so I was looking at my reflection as a walking, and see the head of me, and I kinda trying to speed through the glass and I'm trying to look into what in that room. And as soon as I like my is adjusted. There was a woman walking behind me. And I even though the whole thing happened within a blue. Wink of an eye. I still to this day, remember her in every detail than I thought it was the most incredible thing. But when we are walking, and I must over behind me as many paces, I was behind my friend. Decorator was this girl, this, this woman seem must've been at least thirteen fourteen years old, and she had long blond hair, and it was perfectly wavy. I mean it was like it looked as if her hair was dialed that way it's been looked frizzy should golden blond hair, and she was wearing a white like. Her. Her dress was like, a, a drop waste like it looked, very nineteen twenties. Almost nineteen thirty look but it was white and a had lace embroidered on it. And as soon as I realized that there was somebody behind me, I turned around and looked down the hallway and there was nobody there and it just made my heart. Give a B. I was like, oh my God. Did I just see what I just like I was like in athlete shock? And so my friends she turns around and she's like coming. Yeah. I was like, yeah, who is in this hotel, and she's like, you know, she's like, so someone, so, you know, like those, the dressers, and I was like, okay. I was like, is that it like nobody else is here? No. What's wrong? And that was not nothing. 'cause I this point of like mardi upset. She's gonna stay on crazy. John like not gonna even tell her when I just saw. And so we ended up going on into the, you know, the bathroom which they were dressing and. You know, the set dressers up there. He's like doing the lights, and then he's like he says Tories like we're gonna have a real problem tomorrow. She's like, why was like, why can't get the light to work? He's like every time we put it to change the light bulb burns out or the lights are flickering. Like I it's not a controlled environment. He's like, I don't think any of this is going to be very practical for tomorrow. And so they, they went on talking about it, and I'm just like over in the corner, now like just being a ghost. We thought I did. And I got sold, I'm going to have a job soon. So, like, I don't know what to be disturbed more about, you know. So the next day, the company rolled in and they're shooting and the actor our lead actress seek a this. I wasn't there with it. So at this point one, I'm telling you, is that gossip. So I just wanna put a link warning. But. What I heard back because all all of proof people just everybody knows where biggest bunch of gossip on the planet. Like if you wanna know dirt on an actor, you know, ask a gaffe or, or something like ask. The supervisor on, on a TV show or on a movie because like we see everything, and everybody always knows. But anyway of what they told me happened was the lead. The crew they very famous actor. She refused to go in there because it was absolutely like major in crawl to be in that Afrin. The electric couldn't get you know, any of the power to be like, working consistently. They said that the generators were constantly like not like malfunctioning. They just before tires. Shoot was just struggling to have, you know, any sort of like consistency like they just like the light trip liquoring and everybody's hair was standing on the back of their neck and the so the actor was like, I'm not going in there. I'm gonna do my lines and then I'm out and so they went solder scene. And then she was like, getting out of here, and she refused from that point to step back in. To that hotel. And so, as you can see it was like talk of the movie after that of, like, oh, this is what happened at the amassador. But honestly they ended up tearing thing down a year or so later and it's really sad because if you go on go on the internet, and you do simple Google search and you look at it, it was really a beautiful historical building. But the Kennedy family, they, I guess, petitioned or something to have that, that building. Destroyed all real now. Yeah. It's not there anymore up currently, I guess, if you want to really get into Hollywood lore, the site in is haunted. I can confirm to you. It's haunted for my own personal experiences but I don't know about it anymore. I mean it's just a school now. But happy that happened to me though. It just got worse. Honestly, I really believe that. Whatever I saw followed me home. And, and you know what I kind of time would have told you that it was her Pacific that, that spirit. I don't know now in my old age. Then I believe that it was a specific person, maybe more of a demon or whatnot. But when I got back to my apartment, I lived at the time in Hollywood, and actually, my apartment was across the street from one of the, the Roosevelt out, which is very famous hotel and in the Chinese feeder across there. And then, so basically, I was right a block or two away from Hollywood Boulevard. And so when I got home, I was dating this guy at the time, and we were I'm had been telling him, you know about I told him about what happened. And of course, he was like, you're, you're crazy. You know, this is this is boxers stuff coming out of you. And I was like, yeah, you know why you're probably right? But, you know, I'm the type of person that's like, what I saw, you know, get over it. So I had told him the whole story and key ended up Dan night with me, and I had this weird kind of thing that somebody gave me it was this little tiny iota, apparently, somebody had worked on a Star Wars movie like forever ago, and they had this Yoda, and then they gave it to someone who gave it to someone in then somehow ended up having it. And so I put this thing on my dresser, and I would wake up in the morning and it would be in the kitchen, and I would would be like this guy, you're yelling roommate, and she's like a hundred touching your stuff. You know, this typical, you know, roommate swaddled or whatever. And so, I think it was like how who's moving thing I'm like I am. I losing my mind that I'm thinking, like, maybe I'm moving it myself, but it wasn't significant enough for me. To be like, you know, why would I even take it off my shelf? You know. So I was telling my boyfriend time it was, like, you know about how I thought my roommate was messing with me. I'm like, she keeps taking this little iota, and moving in around, like find it and the kitchen are finding living room and he's like she's not messing with you. Like like you just probably forgetting about it or whatnot. And he's like, it's in your head in those sooner that he's saying that, and we're laying in bed, and basically, I had this, the part that I lived in was like Melrose place on, if I ever saw Melrose, but it was like apartment around a pool for there was no like wind where you could, you know, breathe that would come through or whatnot. So I had the window open. I had a box fan into the window and then the window was like shut onto the box fan, so it was nice and tight. And then the we're laying in bed. We're talking about this and it's like I don't know midnight or whatnot and all of a sudden the. The Bach fan flies out of my window upward not downward upward is so violently that the cord Yanks it back, and he jumps out of bed. He's like, oh, my God, he's like, what was that? And honestly after that happened to me, that's when I was like something's wrong like this is I was like putting two and two together at that point. I was like this is not right. And so he picked up the Bach bay back in the window, and he, he was like, okay that was weird. I have to have to be honest with you. I was weird. There's no wind outside. There's no reason for that box fan. Just go flying out the window like that. And so, you know, you like calm down let it go the roommate that I accused of moving a little thing around. She ended up being kinda bonkers person for another day, a story for another day. I ended up coming home fame movie, I was working on this whole thing happened and found. Vince Vaughan in my kitchen. Yeah. This is a whole nother story like my all this into, but she picked him up in a nightclub or something. And then he was, I came home. I flipped on the light. And this man is in his boxers in my kitchen and my refrigerator. And he looked at me. And I'm like, what? I was just like, and he's and then she comes running out, and she's like, go to your room, so. Fighting. She was one of those typical Hollywood people just, you know, to clarify, like she was, she was one of those people that, like, you know, didn't have anything going on in her life. But she just dated people who did to see. And I had this huge falling out, and I would movie and it was partially over this whole, you know, like a few thing her to get into my stuff, and then she had, like, random people random, except for I guess, one then fon in my apartment like, but random guys see even brought home the, the stunt double of wider man one time. I don't even like it was so weird. Yeah. So we had a falling out, and she basically, I was like, I'm going to move, and you can keep this apartment, and the crazy activity that's going on in here. And I had this chair. And so this chair was given to me by my best friend, growing up, her mom had given me, the sern- abroad it from Florida with me. So I need it the sell it and. I took a picture of it, and this huge or like ball of light was sitting in the chair. And that's when I knew that I whatever I thought the Ambassador Hotel, followed me home. I knew it. Scared. The living daylights outta me. And so I ended up just deleting. I deleted the photo off of my. I think it had like just gotten an I MAC or whatever those starting to get technological. Sounds stupid. Even like the just like I didn't have like technical skills back then. But I did. But it's geared me, honestly, scared me, and so I got rid of it. I got rid of the chair, I moved. And then after I moved the activity went away like never happened ever again. So, you know it was it was crazy. But I really do believe that she followed me home while. Yeah. I mean. So you oh my gosh. There's so many things he said, they're just like I don't even know where to begin. I mean, the are you sure that you weren't looking at Marilyn Monroe. I'm just asking. No, no no one hundred percent because it was she was she was like thirteen fourteen years old tall thin. And she was wearing the dress was so specific was so specific it was long drop away. Dress, see, look like something out of the nineteen twenties. Surely does I mean other than the fact that our hair was long enough. So I mean what makes you think that whatever that was was behind you? Walk behind you at the hotel. I mean, what I mean you've had plenty of time to think about this. Why do you think if followed you home? I mean it's like I I'm fairly certain that most people have been in locations that have some kind of entity at them, whether they saw him or not most people probably have been around something they didn't even know it. And but for it to I guess, expose itself to you to the point where if all is you home does the stuff at the apartment, you move out. You. Get it on a picture. Like like why, like what do you, what do you think do you think is just random selection? Well, you know, I have had time to think about there because I, I think that she was drawn to me because I was upset I had been going through some stuff on that movie. And so if you know this, this podcast would have to be very long for me to explain that, but it was not easy for me. I was really struggling because this coordinator that I was working with. I mean I didn't I was a kid. Okay. I didn't understand hierarchy or how the film business worked. I mean this is like my fourth fourth show that I had done. So I was still learning. And I didn't understand why they, you know, why was a problem that I wasn't in the union 'cause I was working hard, you know. And I understood, you know. What I wasn't doing. You know, I wasn't doing her budget and all that stuff. But I didn't understand why was a problem for her, so I attacked and, you know, and I felt like I had been working so hard Tilly do such a good job because there's trying to prove myself, and to hear this coming from somebody who I knew defended me, like I knew about for me. I was heartbroken. So I think I think that maybe that has something to do with it. But then the funny thing is, is that over the years, I've also wondered if maybe it had nothing to do with the embassador hotel, and maybe had everything to do with me that, this whatever spirit I saw was tach to me, and not the hotel where you didn't notice anything before you saw the spirit. Right. Like you didn't nosing activity in your life before that now. And I mean, I honestly oblivious to it. I think that, you know, I, I was still in into. Working in hustling, and trying to make this career I was oblivious to anything it wasn't until I actually thought that I was like aware of these little things that start to happen. You know, the fan could be totally unrelated, but I left in that room we lived in an apartment two years, every single night, and we didn't have a and that apart, because in Los Angeles, you know, we didn't if you only really have easy live in the valley, and we lived in an old apartment in Hollywood. We had the breeze coming off the ocean. And then that -partment never got hot. We, we always had our windows open. And so there was no that fan never fell out of that window, and that fan never got this lies. And so when he and I were laying in bed, and that things just violently punched at self out of the window, upward so much the core games that back. I just couldn't help. But wonder you know, it was just the thing moment were having a discussion about me. Having these experiences. So I just I felt like it was all connected. That's, that's crazy. I mean just the fact that this thing is shows itself, see, whether it was with you before, hand or not. And then, you know, you start having that different activities stuff at the house, and then Vince Vaughn shows up your apartment, I had to be paranormal. It's definitely the norm. That's sure. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean it's just it's just a crazy different. It's definitely a crazy story. And I know that's not the only thing you had going on here. I know recently. I think you said it was in two thousand twelve something happened involving your mom. Did you wanna get into that now? Yeah. So basically after this incident, I would say, you know, I didn't really have any activity after that. And if I did I certainly wasn't aware that, you know, it wasn't like pointing the finger like spirit, you know, so I ended up moving back the Florida and I got I got some more down in Miami. And I ended up moving to Miami and got on this popular or to show at the time. And when I when I moved down to Miami, it was kind of, like you get the phone call. Hey, are you available? And you're like, yes. And they're like, okay, start Monday, and it's like Saturday. And you're like, oh my God. Gonna do this, and this happened a lot earlier in my career. So I at the at this time, like fast board. I'm in the union now. So now monarchic apartment coordinator. And so they called me for this job. And there can you start. And I did. And so I, I moved down there. And I you know, went on Craigslist, which is probably not a great idea now in hindsight. But I went on listen, I found this room for rent. And I've emailed, the girl okay I'm working on television show. Can, you know move in, like Monday, and here's all this money to tell you, not a weirdo. And so I ended up moving in with this girl, and she's very nice, but she had this roommate, that would not very nice and see that was absolutely out of control and still here. I am. I'm working a tough schedule like this, so was one of those very rare occasions where you're working the fourteen hour days, and so I would get up early in the morning, go to work. And I wouldn't get home and felt like you know, nine ten o'clock at night. Sometimes we'd have a scout. I wouldn't get home until midnight. So I was bowling very long hours and the show was coming to an end and I had about two weeks left and I, I ended up kind of getting so stressed out at work that one day 'cause I'm consum- time admit be a little bit of a hypochondria. Okay. I'm sitting at my desk, and I was like, oh my God. I'm losing feeling in my face and my assistance. Like, oh my God. Are you having strokes? And like I think I am. And and I'm like, oh my God, I'm dying and so it went from, like zero to I'm dying very quick. And so he's like, I'll take you to the hospital and I'm like, oh, my God. I'm sure you know the next thing. No, I'm in the hospital, and they're telling me your stress. I'm like, okay, well, this if I'm dressed, you know that was the biggest false alarm. But they. I that show been so tough on me that I literally put myself in the hospital with anxiety and stress. And so the doctor said me, like listen, he's like you need to you need to take it easy. And so go home. I want you to sleep. We tell your boss that you just need to like work just a little bit easier and, and calm down. And so I was like okay and so I went I went home that night, and I had crank the AC hours, Florida. Right. It's the middle of summer and so I- crank, right cranky down. I guess you'd say, I crank, the AC like sixty eight degrees, 'cause I just come from the hospital all wanted to do is to be nice and comfortable in my room and so this roommate comes home, and she like livid that the role in that low, and she's screaming at me. And I'm telling her, I'm like, listen, you know, first of all, I pay one third of this Bill, and if it's a little bit high unhappy to pay for the. Whole thing. I have the money. I said I've been in the hospital. I just need to be comfortable, just relaxing. You know, don't worry about it, but she was like gun ho on not, you know, letting down from her argument that I was going to make the power Bill like ridiculous. And she's screaming at me and yelling at me, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, you know, had enough the next day I went into work, and I went to the production, I went to production. I was like, I gotta get out of this apartment. I'm like those this roommate that my roommate has this other girl living here, she is blown off the handle. And now I don't feel comfortable, and so they're like, well, you know, we have been putting up the actors and some of the crew at this hotel, and we have a room for the next three weeks, that you can stay in. And so, I was like, oh, thank God, you know, like this, the sound amazing. So they're like, okay, it's, it's the Hollywood beach resort. And you know. Everything in the in the name of that sounded great is on the beach, and it's a resort. I'll like lucky me. So I ended up like going back and in the dead of night, moved my stuff out. And so I ended up moving into this hotel, and so, basically, to kind of give everybody in idea. This is not a resort to say all know it is the old hotel. A portion of the hotel is condo. And then the I think probably wrong but I wanna say like the Radisson or like hell. I wanna say, maybe it's not Radisson but, like a major chain owns portion it like they have a portion of that hotel like sectioned off, like, you know, floor one through three designated hotel base when I got in there and I I went in very occupant. Is it was built in the nineteen twenties? I think it was nineteen twenty five it was built on it's beautiful hotel by you know, design danvers, but it's been absolutely. Let go when you walk in. I checked in I was like, oh with the production by the why. And they're like, okay. Well, we have a room for you. It's on the second floor, and they gave me the key, and I get in the elevator and go to the second. And this is the grossest place I've ever been in my life. Like I opened the door to the room, it white wicker furniture. It was two twin bed. There was no seat at all. Like you had to bring your own feet. The everything was that white. Nasty nineteen ninety to look in cabinet there. The floor was like laminate, but it had been shipping. It's it was gross like it was like an off color, bluish turquoise so that you couldn't steal the dirt, and Brian, like down there like it was it was pretty nasty. But I think full that I had, you know, a place to stay. And so I moved into this place. I went down to target and I bought myself feet, and I put it on the bed. And, and, you know, the first couple of nights they're scared out of my mind will be honest with you. It was different comfortable in their, you could hear everything happening in the hallway, I was pretty sure that I was living amongst murders. I don't know. But it was it was pretty sketchy. And so my friends who I got him into the business and he's a very well to do. Cameraman. He actually worked on ghost hunters, but is mixed this story. Really funny because he's afraid to goes and you and yet he ended up working on the show and you'll understand why he's afraid to go in a minute. But he, he ended up like wanting to move into Miami to and he said me, like let's get a place together. Oh, yeah. That'd be great. You know, like I need a place that we ended up we found this apartment, but we couldn't move into it right away. And he was working on a TV show down in Miami. And he's like, do you mind if I just like they with you for nine or two, he's like, I, I don't have any words day and I got an early call time. I was like, yeah. I got twenty beds, and this grows nappy hotel room shirt, like come. Hang out with me. I'm like, you know, I won't be scared for one night. And so he's like cool. So we went out to dinner and he came. And he, he like, you know, we ended up going, there's like a bar downstairs, or what? And so we went down there. We got a drink. And then, you know, went to bed and, and I had to had to leave early in the morning. And so I was out the door and I get in I get this text message from him at, like ten o'clock in the morning and he's like you tell me about this hotel. Like, what are you talking about? It's like I'm never staying here ever again because, like, forget it he's like he's like you didn't warn he's like, you know how I feel about goat. I don't think to me, I was like, how can you even possibly, you know, say that he's like I woke up. And every one of these cabinets was open. Are you serious? He's like, yeah. He's like everyone of the cabinets is open. I open it. And so he's panicky. He's like impure panic. I did not tell him that place haunted. I didn't think it was haunted. I mean it was super sketching and gross. But I know wasn't anything that was on my mind. And so now this is in my head, and I come back, he's not there. Right. He keyed booted it out and so. I'm like numb scared like I'm really honest about it. I really was scared I was like, okay, well, what did he, I know him so well and obviously whatever happened to him. Scared him enough. There wouldn't even stay with me another night. And so, I went, you know, I, I, I would go to sleep, and I leave the TV on. And it was really uncomfortable. But I never thought anything never heard anything, I would wake up the cabinet would never be open. Like it was just normal. But it was just it was it was a very creepy place. And so, at the end of the couple of weeks that we were there, or I was there at least so now time the show's over, and we're moving into this apartment. And so I called my mom like mom, you know where you come up, and help me do this, and she's like sure, and all the, you can stay with me, and my awesome hotel room, and she's like, okay, does she came up and. See ended up staying with me. And so she moved their stuff in. And and you know this is the first night. And so I think she was thinks he stay with me, only to the first night, nothing happened. I don't even remember anything from that night. But the second night, see, so basically, we had decided to go to bed early because the next morning we're going to get I think the U haul or something. So I get my stuff to bring it to the apartment. So. My mom thing about my mom is like my mom sleeps like she's dead like, when she lays in bed, she lay on her back and then she's out cold, but she looks like she's dead. Like you'd have to like, you know, make sure she's still alive or something so she's done. She doesn't snore. She's just out. And so I'm like in bed. I have the TV on, on rule low, and I finally, like those off and all of a sudden, I just hear this doors slam shut out in the hallway and this does down the hall like somebody was running down the hall, and I popped out of bed, and, you know, I don't know what possessed me, but I ran to the door to look through the I hall, and I just saw this to like black just Dila. What like fly by the, the door and I opened the door. Get the chain off in opened the door real quick. And I like just this black. It was like it was it was so quick. Like I couldn't tell you, if it was a missed, or if it was shadow, or if it wasn't actual person. But whatever it was. It was so quick. And I just caught the tail end of it going down the stairwell and so my mom jumps out of bed. So why would you do that? That's dangerous. You don't know somebody could have been you know, fighting out there and, and you would have been in trouble 'cause my mom's like that. And so I said the door and I was like, well, I wanted to see what was going like I have been staying here for three weeks. Never heard that commotion before and she's like, yeah. Well, the, the door and mock it, and go back to bed. She's like I don't like this place. We believe here in the morning, we're out. And I was like okay drama Queen so secret back. Please. Yes. She goes back. I can't really go. I can't go to sleep now. 'cause now my heart's racing. I'm like, what was that about, you know? And so I believe in bed, and I think my mom had been asleep. At least an hour and all of a sudden, my mom rises up, okay? Like it's the weird. I have to describe it in the like, have you ever seen somebody like they, there's laying flat and they rise up. But, like they're not supporting their body just rise in interesting position you're talking about. Yeah. She sits up and see point her finger straighten front of her, and she goes in the name of Jesus. You get out of this room right now and she's not a not a wake. Right. And I'm looking at her mom, and she's like, in the name of Jesus. I told you, you get out of here right now. And I'm like looking at my mom, mom, is she's not responding to me, and, and she's got her finger pointing, and she's like Jesus name out and then he like snap to it. And she looked over at, you know, like, mom, what are you doing? And she's like you didn't see it was like, see what I just thought you that up in bed like weirdo, and point at something, and she's like you didn't see what I saw and I was like now, and she's like go back bed in the morning, packing our stuff, and we're getting out of here. And so now ya I made it worse. And so, you know she goes back in, like an infant, she's asleep into second. And now I'm like have like spit there and think about what I just saw. And so, finally, like I fall asleep and the next morning, wake up and she frantically packing. And like she says getting this hour gin sour now. We gotta go, and I'm like, mom. I'm like, what is wrong with you? Like what happened last I should go talk about it. And I was like, well, you have to talk about your tell what's going on, because I, I, I did not appreciate the ruckus, te. Okay. That's not me. Montauk? All right. And I was like, what are you talking about breakfast? And she's like, either party going on, like party mom. Hollywood beat has this like mandatory curfew. Like what do you mean party? And she's like there was some sort of party going on. And she goes and I got up and I looked out the window. Oh and stocked. And I like what do you mean? She's like, well, I heard the music going on. It's just like I don't know what it was. They're having some sort of beamed party other. What do you mean themes, like, you know, like nineteen twenties steamed party, what would make us think that? And so I'm like, now I'm like, grilling her right? Because she's talking to me like this weird code, and some mom, just tell me what are you talking about? She's like I was sitting in bed, and she's like you, you're out cold. And she's like I would I started here this music, and she's like it was like real low, and then advise and she's like, did it do. I'm like that. Unlike that's what you heard. And she yeah. She goes it would go there. She was on a loop and she's like, though, again little bit louder a little bit louder than a little bit louder louder. She's like, and then you said that she would open the blinds and look outside and star nothing and all of a sudden it just up. And she said that she would then go back to bed and fall asleep. And then she would get woken up by the music again. And of course, I'm like that's weird kind of this happened and she's like, you know, like I don't know three o'clock in the morning. I don't think was this before after you. I'm like this is basically like after you did that weird thing where you pointed, she's like well about that. She's like I saw a shadow man, standing over the bed, and she's like, and obviously, there's a demon in here and I did not wanna be here anymore. And I was like, okay, you're my mom, you're hearing music outside. But I don't know what that's about. Telling me that you saw shadow man standing over your bed, and she's, like, Yep. She's a it was a demon. I know it and I told him in the images to leave. And she said he did. I watched him he walked through the wall comes like, oh my God. So I'm like, I got all this information that way too much for me. And so I'm like, I'm just gonna go check out so I go downstairs, and I go down at the desk. And I said to the lady at the front desk. But I was like, so was like, what's with the party? That was like my mom just been complaining about it. And she's like one party, the party that move, you know, right by our window, and she's like, well, there's no party to like, we have a curfew. It's very strict. She's like them. What kind of this happened like, no, like nine ten o'clock at night, and she was like, no to like, there's no party? And what were you saying, again, I was, like, I'm on the second floor. She's like, which room you and I, you know, I don't remember the room number now, but c- she says she looks kind of perplexing. She's like, you know, that room is right over the old ballroom. And I was like, okay. Like, well, what's there now? She's like it's banned. There's nothing in there, and I was like okay and she's like you wouldn't be the first guest talk about this. She's like, you know, this hotel has a reputation and I was like, okay, well, what do you mean? She's like, well, I'm pretty sure what you heard was the, the people that used to live here and used to come here. She goes because this, this hotel has a reputation for having. I was like, okay, so clearly she was trying. She wasn't trying to sell you coming back. That's for sure. Well, he like the whole thing was, like, so bizarre. He can with like here I have two separate things happening. I have my mom's crazy, like pointing at this demon that she saw. And I thought that happen. But then she's telling me that she's waking up in the middle of the night. And she's seeing, you know. She's hearing ghost music. And so, you know, I'm trying to be delicate about it. Because like I didn't wanna be that person that came downstairs, like, hey, is this place haunted, you know, like, I I'm interested in the subject, but at the same time like you know, wanted you have to understand that they have very much new with this production. So it wasn't like I was like hotel guests, five thousand you know what I mean that they would know they knew that I was one of like a people thing there. And so I just didn't want them to be like a weirdo, you know, but, but yeah, so I ended up going back line told my mom and I was just like you know, they, they that this apparently having kind of, like, you know, right downstairs, where that ballroom used to be, and I was like me mom, you use you hurt go stuff I'm like, and you saw ghost last night, and she's like. I did not. Oh, like Vermont me, just telling me about the about this black shadow figure that you saw like one of demon. She's like I thought demon. Now, what about the music and she's like it was a party. She's like my mom. There was no party. I'm like, I'm telling you right now that you had enough paranormal experiment as experience and like you need to accept it. I'm like, this is amazing you because my mom is a big. My mom is one of those people, those who don't know she is one of those Christians that is that world doesn't exist, period. You know, there's demons but go, no. They don't happen then leagues issed. Everything's a demon. And so for my mom to have a paranormal experience like that she was in shutdown mode. And so she's like, I'll talk about it anymore. I'm done. We're going. And so the whole time. We're in the car driving cease dislike will not like look at me and she's just looking at the road and I'm like I'm getting now 'cause now excited I'm like here. I you know, I, I had been talking about this and ever since my experience out in Los Angeles. I was starting to, like be more aware of the paranormal and so I was like, oh, man mom finally had this experience, too, like this is amazing. But she, she basically told me in the car that day, she goes, we will talk about it anymore. It never happened. Don't you ever? Bring it up to me when I saw was a demon, and I, I don't wanna ever go back to that place. And shut it down. She still to this day I go, and I start came on you remember that time that you saw ghosts you'd be like no never ruined. So that when you saw that goes, mom. Nope. But I remember when I saw that even. You know, anyhow going, it's very I, I feel like if packing for those don't understand. But, like when I was a kid, my mom, basically, my mom went through this phase, kind of, like, when she was a new person that everything was just so extreme and she, she got involved in different churches. But he there was this one particular church's she got into, and they were very evangelical extreme evangelical and see. I know my mom my mom's very closed off about things like that. Like see the very spiritual person. She's born again, Christian she's a good woman should have good heart, but my mom was just one of those people who took religion almost to the extreme. So, you know, the kid I had a lot of things happen to me, which, you know, I didn't understand them at the time. And I think that my mom was probably what was causing it because there was a lot. Ause fearful warfare going on in my house when I was a child. And so this incident from the happen to my mom in the way that I witnessed it, the music aside. I think the music is great. And I think it was that, that's the part of the whole experience and the story that makes it so exciting because it wasn't like just that bigger by itself. But it was like, you know, I think my mom experienced two different things happening at you know that were unrelated. But, you know, for her to go through it, and she my mom, like, I know she'd, like like, reevaluating everything she believes in, because she was she shut down even to this day. So I think it was amazing because, you know, she couldn't write off music as, as a demon. I can understand her being like, oh, the shadow figure, you know that something that's totally different. But the fact that she heard the music, and she was looking outside was dot as soon as you look. It was amazing. And of course, you know, like as soon as happened, I was fascinated and I went back we were done with the show, but I ended up actually getting on another job, which was the same production company. And then they were doing another TV show. And so a couple of crew members that worked with me on the previous L went to the new show and they had there were staying in the hotel, too. And they told me after I talked about this, like, oh, you know, apparently on the seventh floor, there's all kinds of activity. And so the, the dot were neater the transpose coordinator, she said to me that she was down at the bar drinking with one of the ladies lived there. And she talked about how she was inner apartment hunting glass of wine with her friend, and all of a sudden friend term white, and she's like, there was a boy that just ran through your apartment and she's telling me about this. And I'm like, why should I guess it's like a boy ran through her apartment and through the wall, like nothing? And apparently this happens on the seventh floor all the time, like after I did, like after I ended up staying there, I did the research, and sure enough, if you go online, and you look at the Hollywood beecher's or apparently this activity happens all the time you could have pay me to stay in that hotel, again. And I'm somebody that likes this sort of thing, obviously were talking on a podcast about it. But after that, I would know you could not pay me like that was the scariest three weeks of my life. And then watching my own mother's sit up in bed in points at something, I couldn't say that she could be until it in the Neva Jesus to get out like no. Thank you. Ben. Then that's that's definitely creepy. I think anybody who were to sit up. I think actually when I was, when I was younger, my early twenties and Lindsey had just got married, I used to have like weird sleep episodes where I would actually wake up in my sleep like I'd be still asleep. But I'd be doing something in my kind of like sleepwalking, but to the extreme, sometimes it would freak out. Lindsey, like the one time I was I hate, snakes, anybody who knows me knows I hate snakes, and I have a badgering about snakes, and I open my eyes in my dream, and I saw we had this piping going across our -partment bedroom. You know, it was ghetto -partment and it was there. I saw a snake wrapped around the piping of on the ceiling, and I'm a newlywed, and I think I see snake wrapped around the piping in in my bedroom. I jumped out of my bed, I run out of the bedroom, and Lindsay's freaking, like, why, why, why so here I just leaving my wife behind. To get, you know. Eaten by the snake. But I did that stuff all the time. I was always freaking her out in my sleep, I thing is with you. Your mom wasn't sleeping. She was awake. Very, very aware of what she was saying. And that's gotta be freaky. Definitely got be freaky, freaky, 'cause I didn't say what she was saying, but she pointed at it with so much authority. And I think that, that's the partner scared me, the most is that the authority that came out of her mouth. You know, honestly, I years and years of thinking of this. I just I don't sometime. I mean I, always I am well traveled, and I work in the industry with people who are Republicans and democrat people of all different belief systems, people come from all different backgrounds. So like, I'm very I live in New York that he's very cultured. But I sometimes feel like I don't understand how people don't believe in God, because I don't ever share of someone. Saying in the name of Buddha, you leave and the sensitive like is a frayed, doesn't it? You know, somehow the power of Jesus Christ scares letting Tara, whatever is happening. And I witnessed it and to watch my mom with that much thority command. Whatever what she was being leave. That will depart scared me the most it wasn't, you know, the thought of what was in the room, it was what, what compelled her so much. The command believe, you know, she's kind of in this train to is also weird in the way she sat up in bed was kind of, like straight out of a horror movie. But yeah, I mean at that point, I mean I had already become so interested in it because I saw when I lived in LA in that moment really turned that was the turning point for me and becoming interested in wanting to know what this was and where Pitt into my belief system into, you know, and I started I've always kind of felt like of sensitive, I had a lot of things like I said as a kid, you know, that I don't quite know where to play. Place it, especially having such a religious mother. But it was it was really a turning point for me. So it's, it's kind of one of the reasons why I became so interested in the paranormal and kind of like, now, it's like obviously listening to your podcast and listening to others just can't get enough because I experienced things and I wanna know more wanna know what I'm seeing really. I guess, you know, you kind of don't know. But I mean I just had somebody is she? She's a news anchor, and she was talking to me about Bigfoot stuff this week. She asked me, what Bigfoot when I thought they put was and it's my common answer for a lot of things. Not even just Bigfoot but my first answer to everybody is I don't know. Like I just don't know. I have my I have, you know. That's my initial answer. And then you have your thoughts and opinions when she start taking account of everybody's descriptions of what they're seeing, but bottom line is, we really don't know, a whole lot about what's going on in this paranormal universe that we live in. And I it's, it's definitely. It's definitely interesting. But anybody who says that they think they have it all peg down? I think they're fooling themselves because there's just so many questions so many questions with it. And you mentioned early, you know quite a few times during the interview that you had a lot of different experiences when you were younger. I know you said, one in the Email could you hear that story about with the devante voice? Oh, yeah. So when I would I was probably in my early teens I had stayed home sick from school. And I say sick with air quotes because I was one of those kids that just like would wake up and be like, oh, feel good? I hold that on my mom that day. And so, my mom being being the religious person she was, there was one show that she would never let us watch, and that was Jerry Springer. And so I loved watching Jerry Springer because of all the burns that came at the end like thought that that was so great. When the audience with, like, just be like, you know, random burns, so I was sitting on the couch and I had the TV on mute and so I didn't want her to know that I was watching it, but I had the, the captions on and I was reading it. And of course, she's in the kitchen and the way that my house is set up was is that the dining area was kind of like in this note. That hung out, by the pool, so she was in there, paying bills and her back was towards the television. So she couldn't see what I would doing. And so she knew I was in there and she knows watching TV but she didn't know what I was watching some sitting there. All of a sudden you. I heard this deep rudder like growling guttural voice, and it was in a language that I, I couldn't even tell you what all I can do is mimic, it, and I know I'm gonna sound stupid. But for the sake of everybody understand it was like gonna have been like that. And it was in my ear so much that I could feel the breath. And I was like, mom, did you hear that and see your she's like what, you know, she likes house like you didn't hear that? She's like here. What, what are you doing? No. Now, I'm like freaking out. So my trying to chain for feels like you're watching Jerry Springer? And of course, I got in trouble for watching it. And then, you know, the in the incident came and went, but I like will never forget that feeling it there, the living daylights that ame- and to feel the breath in my ear was the worst part about it, but she didn't. In here it, and it was so loud, and it was so deep that I don't know how she didn't hear unless you know, I'm the only one who heard it, it was somehow only audible to me. That's incredible. I mean, what you mimic, that voice is guy. Huge I was like holy crap that Dowd. Be incredibly scary. Now, what with what you just, you know, imitated is that closer with the, you know, verbiage that it used or is that just like the or do you not remember alley when sounded like I don't remember. No, I don't remember what it said. But I came from a family where my like I told you, my mom she, she got into evangelical ISM for like she would take us to these churches where they were just speaking tone. And the only thing that I can explain that sounded like that, like, you know, and maybe it wasn't you know, I don't know. It could have been Latin for all. I know it could've been any kind of language. It's thirty wasn't English, but the only thing that I could acquaint do. It sounds like tongues while okay? Yeah. Well, and, you know, and it was like there were things that happened all the time when I was a kid that, you know, we had, we had a collie, and it was my dog, but she would always sleep on the bed, and I was believed the hallway on, because of his constantly uncomfortable, like it's been as my mom gave her life to Christ. And she started, you know, ramping up this whole, you know, be constantly renew bible. She's been a room and she was begin telling you pray, and she was going through trickling hard time, you know what? She's that is at the time. She was how old I am now. And so she's going through some tough times with my dad. It was before my dad gave his life to Christ. And so she was she was praying for him. And there was just I think that they're like I said, there was a law spiritual warfare going. I think that, you know, my dad was a companyman was a CEO, and he, you know, he was really. Into work, and he my dad's done an alcoholic, but my dad was socially drink. And so, my mom, my mom would just be praying for him. And she would be so dislike intense about it. And honestly, I really believe in does not agree with me 'cause she hurt me on talking about right now. She'd be livid with me because my opinion is that there was a spiritual warfare going on in that house. And it was good versus evil as my mother combating, the Biman's, I feel that we're trying to attack her avenue Christian, and so, I would be laying in bed in my dog would get up in her hair was dancer, features growl, route so much at the door, and it was scaring me, and I was a couple of times that I woke up with sleep paralysis, like where I was frozen, and I couldn't move, and it was frightening. Only happens me like twice, you know, at the most, but it was writing and. I remember like she went one time for a run and came back. She's like an angel and different things like that, you know, like it just was very intense for a very long time. So, I think I think that, that is a lot of the reason why later in life after I had my own experiences. And I saw you know, like these things with physical. You steam that woman in the hotel, and then watching my mother command that beer, leave really proved to me that these things that were going on. You know, have some validity to them. You know what I mean? Like is there's, there's a spiritual world that exists that I'm fascinated with those the same time he no shouldn't be fascinated with it sounds like your mom, you know, became a Christian later limit later in life than some people. They always say that by the time somebody turned. Seventeen eighteen years old, the chance of them, you know, following a specific path of faith, whether it's Christianity, Muslim, or whatever is very slim them changing their direction after their eighteen I guess, you know, I I don't know. Why not sure there's philosophy behind it? But my point saying that is, you know, I guess you saw your mom become a Christian and was that like, in on experience for you is, as something that was that something that was like a like a turnoff for you, or you kinda confused by her her radicalism with her faith, was there, ever a time that you, you, I don't wanna trying to, say, like, what was it was a smooth transition for you. As a kid seeing that or was it hard for you to accept because maybe that plays into your experiences. Your, your evaluation of it is true because I I my mom, my mom will workout, what if my mom were here, she was day? I've always been a Christian, but it's not true. I think that my mom gave her life to Christ. And she became literally, the definition of being born again, my mother transition into a totally different type of believer. So, you know, I see I'm too young to have a saying anything, you know what I mean like my brother and I, we got dragged every church in the whole entire city because my mom, my mom would go to church, she'd, like be there for a month. And then she get into an argument with somebody or she'd be like this church is, you know, once hypocrites, and then she would believe and go to another church and we church hop and so, well, what happens for me is my mother found comfort through the turbulence of her. Own marriage. My parents are still married, by the way, my dad gave his life to Christ my dad's different person, but my parents have been married. My gosh. I mean, I'm thirty five. He my parents been married almost forty years, but, you know early on. There was a lot going on every religion gave my mother comfort and that helped her through. But for me as an individual I was dragged through this whole thing, and I wanted ever since I was a kid to be in the film business. I knew deep down inside that was my purpose. And I knew that, that was I I needed to do any fulfil that. And so I remember one of the churches that we ended up staying for very long time. They had a youth group. And there was it was I was in sixth grade. And I remember this because it was new and I had just come out from being an elementary school. So is going to like the middle school use like hit cool kids, you. Croup. And so we were all sitting around and the, the youth pastor said, you know, where's everybody wanted to do with their life, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they got around to me, and I know I'm going to I want to work in the film industry, and they're like, in the secular world. And I was like I was just like what do you mean? And they're like, well, you wanna make Christian movies right now. I wanna make Star Wars, and I wanna, you know, like, you know, I I, I wanted to make those types of movies, and, and may more like, whoa, that's, that's not godly. And I was like, what do you mean? I was like I don't understand like this is that. Unlike I don't think that just because I'm a Christian than I have to make Christian content. And they're like, well that's the secular world. I mean you should, and they got into a big argument with me. And I was like, no, I put my no I was like, there are Christian that work in the film industry. You don't have to be. An ungodly person to be in this business. I'm like, they're not all forcible people. They're not, you know, liberals like my dad was everybody in, in Hollywood, the liberal, you know. Yeah. I'm a liberal. They're like my dad always like you. You know, you people and so, but it was it was heartbreaking to me. And so I felt that in that moment, I felt it in belong, you know, I didn't fit and I different. And so I had this battle my from that point forward with religion. I always felt like like they were always pointing their finger at me telling me that I couldn't possibly be Christian to their standard because of the life that I envisioned for myself. And so I think that, that, that does maybe play a role in and you know what I mean. Honestly in United talked, I have experienced things that my mother has not experienced my mom. My mom comes from a different time. You know what I mean? Like see grew up, you know, with a with an idea. That you are a good wife and you raise your family. My mother never had a job in mom's job was to raise her kids and, and that was the life that she chose me. On the other hand, I wanted to go to California, and he wanted to work in show business, and I travel the world, I go, you know, I go probably somewhere three or four times a year. I spend my money on experiences. I don't not a homeowner live in New York City. I pay, you know, God, God, the money in rent, but, you know, this is the life for me. That's the filling. So, you know, we're very different people. And I think that, you know, the turning point was is when I stumbled upon Gary, Wayne and hearing kind of like how the bible translates into all the things that I feel like I understand. But my mother would always be like the then or, you know, demonic or you can't, you know, watch that because this or that or you know. How I would argue with my mom about the bible constantly, it'd be like, you know, that mum explain this to me. It doesn't make sense to me in the real world, and she my mom by DEA everything out of the bible was is what scripture, you know, that's what got it bad, the truth is because that scripture, and it never explained it's me, and I was basing tour like, okay mom, you know, will I saw those I thought and explain it to me it was. Within looks like a demon to look like a blonde headed twelve year old thirteen year old. So explains me when I saw and she's like well with the demon. So it was very hard for me to kind of, like agree with her for a very long time, because I just felt like everything that I believe in every every strains that I had here I am. I'm a Christian. I gave my life to Christ. But none of it fit the way that my mother's relationship and belief system fit doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. I think a lot rampart. No, it's fine of just sitting there listening. And I think there's a lot of times people, the everybody listen I you got of the Christian faith have Baptists pentecostals evangelical z- four square. You have all these different denominations of Christianity. And why is that? Because there's a lot. Christians that read the same book, and they get something different out of it and view it different ways. You know, all the Christians, they, they all following the same umbrella Christian, meaning they believe, in Jesus Christ, which is crisis on a guy that he became a human, walk, the earth perfectly died on the cross for sins rose in three days, walked among us ascended into heaven, all those Christians believe that all of them, but when it comes to different theological, things, they have different opinions. And so that's why that's why there's so many freaking denominations, which I'm very I get very frustrated with sometimes because it's sometimes you, you see Christian seeming to be more devoted to their denomination than they are to the idea of being a Christian, and that can be a frustrating thing. So I totally get what you're talking about stuff, because your mom sees things at different way than you do. And you know, it's, it's one of those things where you have to go on this, this quest of for. Truth on your own. And, you know, you mentioned Gary Wayne, Gary, Wayne has helped a lot of people make sense of their own personal experiences. They had in their life or the way they are viewing things, and nobody else seems to be because Gary, Wayne talks about things that you don't really hear in church. You know, you're not gonna hear a lot of the things that he talks about preach from the, the, the typical pulpit at a church. But the things he talks about really helps people make sense of things in a way where they feel comfortable like, okay I'm not crazy. I am a Christian. And it's okay that I'm thinking some of these things that I've seen things a certain way. And that's kind of what I'm here from you, right? Yeah. And you know what I mean it's very easy to go down the rabbit hole, which we don't have time for it. But it it really, you know. Walking fast watch is like a whole separate issue. But it goes back to like, you know, the whole thing of Gary, Wayne, blaming kind of how possibly that could even fit into this and dealing with enough Lum. And and, and demons and basically like the rebellion and all that stuff. It really opened my eyes about what kind of world we're living in, and I it's tough because I have to tell you that, like, one of the things that upset me more than anything is when people are like Hollywood is corrupting us, or this, that knee other, and, you know, there are a lot of people that work in the business that are like me, you know, maybe we don't go to work every day. And, and tell everybody within fair that we are percents. But there are a lot of people, they're good people. You know, the family people, and they're Democrats, and Republicans, there's gettys and streets. I mean, the industry is so diverse and you know, but the fact is. I think all of us go to work every day. And we just hope that all the hours that we put in that, even if we do make something it brings somebody a little bit of joy, you know, nothing for me is make me happier than when I go to a movie that I worked on it. And I'm sitting there in the theater, and the credits roll, and people stay and watch them. They don't know those people, you know what I mean. But that they stay and they watch the credits or that they get up. And they started that whoever there with that movie was awesome. Like great. You know, that's three months where I getting yell that every single day. And I was working for our, you know, and I wanted to go home and die. At least it was worth it. You know that you enjoy the movie and you're in joy, the TV show, that, you know, the person that comes home every night at nine o'clock. What's on their TV and watches that show for an hour that takes them out of their day? And I worked on that, that makes me feel good. And I think that there, I just it's important that people know that there are good people that. Work in the business, and there's not always this agenda. And if there isn't a Genda, which I'm all about believing in because I'm a conspiracy person, I love a good conspiracy. I believe, you know what I mean? There is evilness world. There are evil people, you know what I mean. We all have read the stories about Harvey Weinstein and all these people out there that have do those things, and they this, but underneath it, there are still good people, you know, I, I can't say better than you did there. And I, I really wanted you to get into a story. And if you have time we can do it now, if not, we'll bring it back another time, but I really wanna hear about when you got chased out of area fifty one do you have time for that? It's so it's so stupid. Got a hundred. Okay. So when I make it really quick. But when I was, when I was a kid, my favorite TV show was the X files. Okay. So I was this is like the Y. I'm I like paranormal stuff. So the file was like I was one of those weirdo band people that probably if I were that show we're on now and I would be that, that goes, the comic con stocks, Dave the company like that's how bad I love the files. And so we went on this family vacation lock Vegas. And of course, my dad, my dad's rule was is everybody gets to choose something to do, 'cause my mom was, like, okay we wanna go. I wanna go to the Grand Canyon. We did we went to the Grand Canyon, my brother's, like I wanna do this, or whatever, and my turn, and I was like, hey, really go Terry, fifty one. And of course, my, my parents are, like that's not you can't go area if you like I'm like, yes, you can I thought. On the file on MC. There's this little town called Rachel. And there's this, there's this little tiny restaurant called little alien. And I said, they, you know, 'cause I don't even know if they filmed in the by there to be honest with you, but twelve year old person was convinced that, that happened. So I was like they filmed in episode there and this is where all the aliens are. We're gonna go there. And of course, my dad was like, okay. You know, everybody load in the card venture time. And so we went and we drove to this little town, Rachel. Am I tell you, it's like population four and a half Meany 'cause there's a baby, like it's like the guy who owns the own the bar, his wife, their daughter and kit like that live in this town? And so you go in this like a trailer bash restaurant on the side of the road alien even have a pitcher actually, the pitcher was a TV show that worked on 'cause that was a really cool Easter egg, you know, for anybody that. Wants to know but thirty retook this pitcher in front of it, and we went in inside the whole entire restaurants, covered in photos of alleged does that they have taken pictures of out the back, and so it right off of Nellis Air Force base, which is area, fifty one, and so we went in there, and they're like, how can we help you, you know, clearly for poor look and people in there. And I went up there. They don't the X files in there and they're like, yet, they were here in and she points to actually see that picture right there. And it was a picture of the owner and you know, David company and Gillian Anderson and cool. And you know, and I was like, how do you get to area, fifty one and she's like you gotta go down the street. And then the mailbox is there. And I think it's called my gosh. I wasn't prepared till the story, so I didn't do my research by pressure. It's blackmail box. But I think it's a white male anyway. It's like. One of those things where either black, and it's actually white or they call it the white boxes, actually, like I wanna stay, I think it's white, and they call it blackmail box. But anyway, they told us about this. Mailbox nearly you go down. And then you see, you know this stretch of highway the extraterrestrial hot highway but is the lot nothing and then come across his mailbox and you're gonna make a right at their Unical down the Sturt road. And then you're gonna you're gonna keep going for like two miles, and then you're gonna come to a sign that do not cross was, we will shoot don't cross. And I was like, yeah, we have to do this, and my dad's like, okay, you know, 'cause like he might. Thing was Tom, flory, like he was just like going to make my day things like this is stupid. But this is what she wants to do. And so my brother is like four years younger than me, and my brother's. Like let's go find aliens. And I was like, yeah, so my mom's like, okay, whatever. So everybody we piled in the car. And sure enough, we left and we were driving down the road and driving in the middle of the desert. Okay. There's a whole lot of nothing and we come across. Sure enough. There's mailbox. And my dad was this is it and we turned we went down with now on third road. We kept going and you know, it's not like you're going forever. But you know, you're only supposed to go like thirty miles an hour. So, you know, it two miles then sure enough you leave in wind and you come up to sign and barb wire fence and it says this is special land, or something to that effect. That says you are being you. You are now under surveillance. If you crossed here. Here we will be shot, and so were my family's the bunch of weirdos. We're only well. Cool. And like, you know, whipping on our little disposable cameras, and taking pictures and I worked to get out of the car, my mom's like get back in the car, don't you get out of the car, and my dad's like you see it, you seen it. That's enough. And so my brother rolls down the window. Like, wow. Wow. Check that out. He's like, look up there. And there was this white Jeep sitting up on the ridge. And of course, you know, like this is like, straight out of an episode. The exile. So like this is cool was like, look. They're watching us, this is proof of alien life. I'm like, because they're trying to keep us out. And so, you know, we're watching now my mom's like get nervous. Right. And she's like we're not supposed to be here. This is still an air force base. My she's like you know, they don't want us. You're like you seen it now we're gonna leave. And so I'm like dad. No, no, no stay stay so relooking and all of a sudden the two agents get out of the car and they take their guns out in the point the matter. And they were rifle and I was like, oh my God, they're doing my dad hurry out. He's like get in the car and we're you know, we're already in the car anyway. So, like we're like we're already in the car, and he's like. The window. And so he's like rolling up my brothers. He's peeling out. There's smoke going everywhere all dirt road, and he's going down in they followed like they came down the road, and it's white Jeep. It had. You know, I couldn't see any plate on it. I mean, maybe it did maybe government place, but I mean, we were gonna full-fledged shape and they were we were might not was booking down this road with the cars bouncing all over the place. 'cause coming down the only went like maybe fifteen thirty miles an hour back. My dad was flooring it doing, like forty fifty going out. And so they take us all the way to the road. And this is my dad on the highway in bed down. But they thought like they were no longer in view, but like it, it like dared the living tar out of us. And of course I'm in the back one. This is awesome. Oh my God. My mom crying, like now, my mom got tears coming down. She's like this is. I can't believe you. And so now it's dark. Right. So we've spent all day going up there and, and now we gotta go back the Las Vegas in from Rachel to Las Vegas. There's nothing like absolutely nothing. Anybody who lives in Nevada will overtake confirmed? And so we're driving. And all of a sudden, like there's by best light that appears and it's like pulsating green and red, and I think white green red white green red white, and I was like look at that. And my mom's like it's just an ambulance, and I'm like, no, there's noth- mom, we're in the middle of the desert, nothing out there. I was like, look at that and Nexia blinked out, and then there was this, 'cause there's a sunroof in the car, and we were looking up through the sun, and all of a sudden, this white light up in the sky, and it was like blink and would move, and they would dart over here, and there would blink out and there were move, and they would Dr. Over here, and I'm like, now I'm scared and I'm like, oh my God. And my dad being my dad goes what's stock, and pullover. And look at it. I'm now my mom is hysterically crying. I'm hysterically crying. My brother is laughing, because he knows my dad's messing with me at this point because they all think I'm full of crap. Right. So I'm in the back hysterically crying. I'm like fire in the back. I just watched this movie. I was like. This guy, we're going to die. They're coming for us. And so I was like, please full over, please. Don't tolliver. I'm like this go to Vegas keep going in my like I'm pulling her. He's like we're gonna get out watch it. And he didn't end up doing that. We went, but my mom was school redeeming at him the whole time. She's like she's like, oh my God. Why did we do this? I can't believe that there were they probably have our faces on file now. Like, you know, so that was us getting chased out of area fifty one. It sounds way more the dramatic but it was probably because I'm the contributor to the drama. Hey, the story. I love it. I love it. I I've never been out there stuff. But I've heard different stories. And that's just fantastic whole family on a field trip. Getting chased by five this vehicle and the guns and oh man. That was great. Thanks town that. My mom still to this day alike, laugh at me about it. You know, because she doesn't believe in that. So, you know, if you ask my mom, what aliens is, what is he gonna tell you their demons? Right. So, you know, it's not how this was sued say it's not possible, Kristen to be abducted. Because your child, you know what needs. Like that's what she would tell the phone, you know what I mean. But after you just play close encounters and fire in this guy in your own, like a kid, and I'm just like, you know, okay, those demons like pretty convincing that he took, you know Travis Walton away. But yeah. So that was that the I'm telling you everybody says person, you husband dramatically, but, you know, working show business. So, I feel like I have the right to have a little bit of drama, right? Drama queen. Right. But it was definitely a lot of fun for sure. Definitely sounds like it. I mean, it's just it sounds like you've had interesting life. It sounds like it's just a lot of fun. But I tell you what, Chris, that I really appreciate you coming on sharing these stories and stuff. I think it was fantastic time. And I really appreciate coming on. Thank you for having me. I hope everybody enjoyed it. Well, that's a show everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you didn't joy, please share the show with a friend Email Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I don't care how, but if you like the show the best thing you can do to help support the show is shared with other people that you think will enjoy it as well. And until next week friends, stay safe, take care and remember the truth was such a free, but I piss you off by. Friends still talking drugs say feels having job view like. Like. 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1239: "Beaches are Open"

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1239: "Beaches are Open"

"Rubber meets the road with Joe. He's a doer. Adam Curry John. Devora Sunday may third twenty twenty. This is your winning Kimmo Nation Media Assassination episode twelve hundred thirty nine. This is no agenda celebrating. Cinco Broadcasting Live from opportunities on thirty three here the Frontier Boston Texas capital of the drums star. Stinking calling everybody. I'm not incurring from northern Silicon Valley. Where they're celebrating the Diane. I'm John CD. Voracity GREG skills dude low energy. What's going on? It was very low energy. I'm sorry I just surprise me. Now you're GonNa make me even lower your energy back to normal. This should help. We go to a live shots. Now live audio of California everybody. Let's turn on the camera here. Yes the beaches are back open. Yeah I I WANNA miss out there. I know what the story is. Oh my God they shuttered the beaches in county because that's where the Republicans are so no beaches Republican. Oh I hadn't even considered that was a republican issue. Yeah the only real true genuine Republican county even though they have some Democrats in their stead cheated and it became a representative but they arrested. The state is open kind of except northern California. Beaches are kind of blocked off. Because they don't want to go in there and I guess Huntington Beach got packed. Well we went out to dinner Friday night. Yes because Austin Texas is pretty much open good. Yeah so the The deal was this is phase one So restaurants can have twenty-five percent capacity and There weren't really any other real clear. Rules the certainly no mandated mask. I went To Heb Friday They do want you to wear a mask in there at the little shops are open around here so I went to the head shop to get rolling papers and they actually had a sign on the door. No mask no service. All right. That's fine So but the restaurant which is one of Austin's best restaurants in my opinion lonesome dove and we went there with. Have you been there because we went there with Fukuzawa? We went there with the Horowitz's and this is where they have. That yet. Invited is where they have the elk meat and rattlesnake. That kind of stuff it depends. I went to a place that serves that sort of thing But it was some years back and I can't remember the name the person I pretty sure it wasn't called lonesome dove. You would have remembered. That's very nice restaurant. Typical or their their regular capacity two hundred sixty so they could only have sixty people in and here was the experiences we drove into town. Still Still Kinda ghost town certainly for you know. Six o'clock Friday night. There was very little traffic parking right in front of the door on Fifth Street. That's unheard of. Yeah do you get. Don't get used to him so on the sidewalk out in front there. Were about ten social distancing lines on the sidewalk we were the only ones as and the man with mask and gloves today. Come on everybody and so you get right in front. Stand on the line and says okay. Here's what we're GonNa do when you take your temperature. Took my temperature with and he says you're ninety eight point two two okay so now you gotta remember that. 'cause you gotta write that down the piece of paper inside by the way keeper was ninety seven point eight or something Seems low. Yeah so into this so we go. I believe the original thermometer was a little off when the windows ninety eight point six was established. Then we'll talk about that not too long ago. We talked to know. Didn't talk in might talk about something else. There's similar doesn't see go in and at this point We had our mass on just out of courtesy not to get any stink and then you sign in little piece of paper you write down your name. You write down your temperature which I was said ninety. Eight Ninety eight point two. Fm and then It's as you hereby declare that you have not been tested positive and to your knowledge have not been anywhere around someone who was positive in the past fourteen days. Sign your name. There was that it was so it wasn't really a a huge waiver of any sorts and then they sat us down all the tables ten feet distance from each other. We literally sat in the myth. The only table in the middle of the restaurant their booze all around spotlights though we were the first ones. I think everyone else show up. Yeah yeah by the time we left. It was their sixty sixty capacity full. Probably Forty to fifty. But he's we talked to the server and she said that It looks like they were full for that evening. But of course not gonNa make any money just continuity and they had a Jeff Snake. I had yes. I had the re the the rattlesnake Sausage and I had the elk. Lorraine I could not resist. It was really nice to just be out and have some dinner and drink some wine and CIA and have some snake went. Well it's Texas so really just evaluating what I've seen Over the past couple of days it feels very open. I know not all businesses are back and of course gyms aren't open and there is one thing that is kind of nasty. Is that because phase one does not include hairdressers barber shops nail salons everybody's got dark roots. Schutte splotch e gray. Women's nails looked like crap. We look horrible. But we're free here in Texas unlike what's going on in Chicago this is the Mayor of Chicago. Lory lightfoot Austin no I'm sorry I wanted to You might as well continue talking about eating the rattlesnake and gorging on elk mate. You know there's other people are thinking in other ways. I want you to play this clip. This is Alex Jones. Even I didn't get this clip. I'm like I'm not going to get this. This is our eating in or do you want in curious. Is Why is this clip of any importance to you? Because Alex Jones has some great clips. This is stupid. Why are you going to condemn my clip playing? Because I I've received this clip from fifty people. Okay that's funny. It's not funny demand. I will eat my neighbors. I'm not like my kids. I'm going to be honest. My superpower being honest. I've extrapolated this out. I won't have to for a few years. The second food stuff yeah. It's not even the full original clip it starts with. I will beat my neighbors. And then he says eat my neighbors. It's just I think there's a lot fun growing babies cows but did you really laugh out loud normally laugh out loud but I got the reason. I want this clip because they get to ISOS from it. Okay let me see whereas the John's eight you wherever he odd out here it is all right I will eat your ass and the less profane version which is under less profane Think about having to eat my neighbors. Okay thank you interrupting my flow. Thank thank you that's fantastic. I think I have better for end of show and you interrupted something really much. More much more humorous. Well it's gotta be less. Humorous here is Chicago's Mayor Lory lightfoot we will shut you down we will cite you and if we need to we will rest you and we will take you to jail period. There should be nothing unambiguous about that. Don't make us treat you like a criminal act like a criminal and you file it the law and you refuse to do what is necessary to save lives. In the city in the middle of a pandemic we will take him to jail period based on those in there so yes I got other ISOS but I thought that was unbelievable. We will hunt you down dishes. Does anybody notice that there's Democrats and Republicans and the Democrats are the ones making these sorts of comments and the Republicans? Are the ones opening their states? Yes twitter notice that because of course it's the trump supporters who are going to kill us all obviously of course they noticed that and and and oddly enough. There's a lot of them in New York City but you didn't know that So a crash yet. No Republicans Crazy Republicans in New York City who are endangering the lives of everybody going out a single Republican who is it then if it's not Republicans can't be Democrats. According according to New York City Police Department Chief of Department. Cbs Too has learned that an army of NYPD officers will fan out across the city this weekend to make sure that people are wearing masks and maintaining social distance. Cbs choose. Marcia Kramer has this extensive store. You might say it's no more Mister Nice Guy. The NYPD will be out in force at park speeches and playgrounds this weekend. To make sure New Yorkers don't get up close and personal with each other that everyone observes social distancing for going wanting. This is a dangerous situation. Nypd chief of department terrence. Monaghan telling me that. New Yorkers drawn out of their homes by the expected sunny skies and warm temperatures this weekend. We'll see a large police presence. One thousand cops all five boroughs to Keep Yorker safe by trying to stop the spread of Kobe. Nineteen barbecues laws gatherings of people together organized. Sports event people hang together trying to drink on something along those lines. We will be breaking up. We will be actively involved people who are just walking together exercising on a blanket with their family. Those are people where they don't have a mass. We'll give them mass. Will you really arrest people if they can find us if it becomes an incident? Yes we will if it has to be yes. I hope it never comes people's understand. Just how dangerous viruses must be those nutty Republicans? Now Man Americans WanNa get back to work. That's what's going on. And I think we figured it out over the weekend the CDC released their revised death data of covert nineteen because it was up to sixty five sixty six thousand. That was I believe track through the influenza likeness network and they came out and revise it. They separated it out. It's not sixty thousand sixty six thousand. It's thirty seven thousand. Does he dropped so much well. That is an excellent question that is not been explained. You can see. They've released it on their website. But if you look on social media The answer is of course. There's a lack in a day lag and just say there's a lag in the data. Oh does an eight week lag in the data? You don't know what he's talking about. Well that's okay. That's fine but could the CDC and Dr burks perhaps explain this or that. We're not all sitting around during the weekend going. You guys are full of crap because this is this is if that's completely insane so even if why does show many people out there who moan about the lag in the date and all the rest and in one arrest people and throw them in this jail for standing outside. It's getting to the point where I can. Almost I can see where. Some people like. Andrew Horowitz his sister apparently trump nut. And and there's A. It's getting worse. This idea that this whole thing is is just ginned up to get to ruin the economy to put us all in rags. So trump gets voted out and biden becomes the president. That's a very simplistic look at the situation. Do you think yeah to me. It's much much bigger. This is about total control of population. Look at where you are looking at the situation. You're in you're literally in your house unconstitutionally without this being law and you can't go anywhere and you're getting Threatened by your mayors and your and your chief of polices and that's crazy. This is a voluntary. Thing is voluntary. Congress shall make no law is the PRI as the first the first words of the of the of the First Amendment Congress shall make no law against freedom of speech Actually we should probably read it. Verbatim Assembly assemblies. No religion comes. I know I'm just saying it's another one on the list than assembly religious Well religious another good example where people are pigs lobby. Go to church here. We'll read it verbatim. Congress shall make no law that means you already have these rights because Congress can't make any laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof e going out to a funeral with year ridicule by the Jews. They had masks on. I saw him in New York going to church going to temple Ramadan. You're you're you're one of my. Yes the Ramadan eating. Thank you or abridging the freedom of speech which I've always disliked the abridging because this wiggle room in there or of the press notice speech comes before the press or the right of the people to Peaceably Assemble and to petition. The government for a redress of grievances going to the Capitol and standing there peacefully. And saying hey we have an issue is completely constitutionally legal so if people think this is just about the Democrat this is happening worldwide people. This is every country almost every not for the few exceptions notable. We'll get to them. This is not just the United States And the man who really is responsible for putting us in the situation and I'll say it is him because China did it first and that was used as the proof that we had to do here. I E shutdown regardless of the science the faulty data the models that exaggerated by factor of ten or twenty by complete lack of understanding of who actually died from what people are now. This is not going to fly. And it's people don't care they'd like okay bullcrap. I know exactly what happened but I don't see all the things you're telling me and I see nurses dancing on tick tock. But here is Anderson Cooper without she and Sanjay Gupta and this question about opening up early and you kind of hear how he waffles is way through it. But this is what the elites are thinking. When you look at these two diverging realities. We're in one hand. Cases are going up debts arising on the other hand. We're on the eve of the federal social distancing guidelines expiring and at least thirty one states partially reopening in different ways. What is your message overall tonight? People who may be confused by these you know. Sort of different realities. I understand the the messages to take a look at the clearly articulated guidelines for opening America again. And if you take a look at them even though the so-called Thirty Day mitigation period as ended the first component of opening America again is what we call a gateway which means that you need to have to go down over a fourteen day period incremental a detrimental decreases in the number of cases that you have before you can even think about going to phase one. And then you say a certain time in phase one. And then there's another checkpoint before you go to face to another checkpoint before you go to face three Blah Blah Blah Blah using this clip as a nice bridge transition and segue the too few clips. I pulled from an outstanding interview that was released yesterday on Youtube. And it's with Robert Kennedy. Jr. It's two hours and the keeper and I watch almost all of that last night and thank you so much no agenda social dot com producers. I saw this. I'm like this is going to get taken down and I really WANNA be able to get clips from it tomorrow but won't won't have time and I just said please. Someone save this. Well it's everywhere in our in our universe I got MP threes. I got bit shoot. I got all kinds of versions of it. And that's how it should work. It was done by an outfit called value. Taint have you ever heard of this Youtube Channel never and first of all if you listen to that name value payment. Who Do you think could have come up with it? Ron and the guys kind of Iran bloom character and he does the interview and it's compl- no one knows what we're talking about. But that sets you up after I remind everybody what Mr Divorce himself said just on this show a few days ago. Shaina and the drug companies owned the media and thank you dame Jennifer putting that in animated no agenda episode. Let's listen to RFK junior. Anderson Cooper's on Erin Burnett is on spy Fi Zor on the NBC. Nightly news is onset by Merck and Roger. Ailes told me I you know Roger Goodell's who I I knew very well done and it was a founder. Fox agree with him politically but we were friends. We sent a couple of months the other attempt. I was eighteen years old and Africa. I I had this in a good relationship with any. He understood the Ash vaccine injury from personal experience with bacteria. Enter where a kid who was close to hamlets entered and so he knew it was true. And we I made help make a film a documentary about it. I'm a couple hears before. He died when he was the height of his powers. You know can I come on? You WanNA play on Fox. I wanted to come on Fox talking. He's I can't do that. He said in fact if any of my nose allowed you on their show. I'd have to fire them if I didn't. I would get a call from Rupert within ten minutes Rupert Murdoch on Fox also on one of the biggest vaccine companies and has been one of the big promoters of a word. Roger told me is that during non election years during certain parts of the air seventy percent of our advertising revenue for evening new shows is coming from Pharma and typically there's about twenty two ads on the evening and seventeen of those or pharmaceuticals. And that's why you see this these aggressive promotions vaccines all the time. You're you're constantly took being told is flu vaccine because they're selling products not just during the advertising section the show but they're selling products during the entire show China and drug companies owned the media this interview 'em he so sure of himself and he could go down and be locked up forever for slander. If one of the th- if any of the things he said wasn't true it was really a fantastic interview. Where's the slander? Oh this I'm getting to it. I'm just saying but also listen to what he's saying about that's just the media but will get into certain individuals and of course is squarely in his in his headlights down. Genuflecting to Anthony as a very well documented and very checkered history of telling the truth of not telling the truth of being of abusing his power and in a result they end up doing really sinister things like are hiding. The leukemia virus is known to be in three of our large vaccines that we know causes cancer. And he's hidden at the American people he I I read the number one. Scientists and H. Her study showed that those vaccines contaminated and he also he was judy megabits. Who worked for the agency was on the team that identified a giant events in HIV virus and connected AIDS and he kept secret for six months of that he could get one of his cronies to make the publication but that resulted in many many people getting is because the test took away six months slanders. If he's basically accusing me of of helping people get AIDS. I'd say that's kind of bored. I think it is. It is but it is borderline G- okay. We'll hang in. There was delayed by six months. Those things are are really black spots on Tony GBS record and to turn our entire nation over to algae with this unquestioned reverence and the constant genuflection to him. I think it's something that is not healthy for our country. And it's really kind of sickening. See Watch the news division. These people are supposed to be reporters exact same thing that they did during the Iraq war which is said reporters. You're not supposed to hate the government officials. Well we know that. No one will debate him on this. He went into great detail about You you you remember they Swine flu era when we're doing this show and there were contaminated yes Actually had lives swine flu in them. Yes yeah and only sorry I drown you out. Sorry what there are. Only caught by. Just a fluke. They would they were. It wasn't just some inspector. Some random inspector just caught a one the one batch as a fluke which is a fluke and stopped it. Who knows how much of this of actually did go out. 'cause is away you you want to do a pandemic make your best way is to have a vaccine for it. That's loaded with the pandemics. I didn't pull any clips of that part of the interview. But he goes into great detail about many different cases The most important one being in the Philippines and this was also vowed she up. Were they attested events? I think was D- DP DP. Deep did the theory. Yes And they attested on ferrets and the Ferret got their antibodies. Everything was great Then they tested not in a small group. I think it was twenty kids and two of those kids they had they got of course. They had the antibodies from the vaccine. But when the actual virus came in they got really sick a lot of them got very sick and it just accelerated was much worse and two of them died and they ship this off to the Philippines knowing that had happened and six hundred kids died so and so sometimes you know a lot of this testing and well. We don't need to go into a whole broad vaccine conversation because we're safe vaxxers and I think Kennedy is as well But Pouch e with what he he wields enormous power and I thought the way Kennedy. Put it here. It's very Puts it into great context. Algae has store exact saints and he owns the accent so he has. He literally owns vaccine. Nearly profit motivation is purely probably. I think it's power and I think the same is true. The Ace bows on actually stands make huge amounts of money potentially billion dollars. I only you know it's very hard to look into another man's brain and I try to do that but I was just looking at them. I really believe that their motivation is more about power and there is no more powerful position that being held official. Because you can literally pay. I mean at this point Tony has powers that no American presidents that were is telling people in California. You can't go to the beach. You can't go in the ocean. You can't go shop. Your kids can't go to school. You have to stay in your house your you know. The two days ago they were having thousand dollar tickets to people swimming in the Ocean and surfing though presidents at our very good point. And that's exactly what it is. He's he's wielding normal power and I think Dr Burks the more I think about it. If you listen to trump he's always like Dr Fouled. She Dr Dish and Deborah. She's a she's handler. That's what's going on there. I finally figured it is. I think she's such a such a great mature woman. I know I fell for it. I to the scarves. He's managing him handling him to the Kennedys. Democrats Lifelong Democrats. What is up with the Democrat Party? Who were running a lot of these types of operations that? Rfk is juniors complaining about while he has some thoughts and they're ugly honey. Say One other thing my party. The Democratic Party is the worst issue. And it's very odd to me that they're mandating vaccines that are untested. How can you mandate any medication for editing? How can you tell somebody you're gonNA force you take a medication you don't WanNa take and we signed a treaty? The Nuremberg Charter after world. War Job is the Nazis were doing would see all these other cultural events and I love how he goes to the Nazis. That is a war con. We don't do that. It'd be like the Cirque Syracuse Protocols. Un Charter Humid Rice. Alinsky accords number charter. All those them. You cannot give him medication to say. Well even if a wife of the nation is at stake as quote and there's nothing that we really don't know John but he was really good in this and you know his his voice affliction. I forget what it's called some kind of horrible condition once he was on a roll about twenty minutes into it. It almost disappeared. You can you. Can you can hear you can tell. It's really odd. It's like it started to slip away last clip from this is the Silicon Valley. Big Pharma Connection. We know Silicon Valley wants to be your bank in many cases. They already are particularly through a scraping systems like plaid now owned by visa. They of course want to be your doctor as well. Social media sites like Google are intertwined and entangled financially with easy pharmaceutical and Google has seven hundred fifty million dollar deal with how is working with all the pharmaceutical companies top harvest aid to forget people's Medical Ada through Alexa Estra? Sier e through yours. L. Phones were there. Left on the microphone is working through your buying habits monitoring those things. They're they are in a partnership. Google actually part of a larger company called Alpha and there are other subsidiaries company that actually manufacture accedes. So Google actively censors. When you do when you do a google search it added so search that you do not find things that are those common search subjects will direct you the Lord Sayings. It will direct you away from anything that harms. The pharmaceutical industry will direct your a vitamins. It will direct you away from chiropractors. It will direct way from functional health or integrative medicine or any kind of alternative to the all passage. You know a pharmaceutical Barrett. You went into great deal about the money. Following the money All of these health agencies including the CDC are funded mainly or at least half by the pharmaceutical companies The patents go to the people who work inside the CDC. It's really an unbelievable crap show and I guess we've kind of known about this for a long time. We followed the vaccination idea and he he really explained how this is the banana they've all been waiting for and not just the vaccine but also the the the side effects that a lot of kids develop from certain vaccines They are then in the business. That's about a fifty billion dollar business. Boom they sell the inhalers and the Ritalin and all the other things you need to correct your kids after some of these odd side effects pop up and that's a five hundred billion dollars business so it behooves them to continue on this path of vaccines at man works. And so that's the name of this thing. And what was the name of this document Interview the channel is called value. It's in the show notes. Of course have a title that you could people could look up. Yes it does. I'm sorry ex- exclusive interview. Robert Kennedy Jr. Destroys Big Pharma And Pro Vaccine Movement in the show notes any show notes dot com. So let's listen for just a couple of minutes here to Silicon Valley. This is a very long like for Google along interview with the chief product officer of Youtube. Neil Mohan is this from the same documentary. Note the interviews to hour interview completely separate nothing okay and I could have pulled a million clips but now also I would love to interview Robert. F Kennedy Junior and get a dude named Ben over there and Mike the man and give them some honey and lemon. Because he whatever's happening when he's on a roll and it may be also a little bit of OCD when he is just talking forgets where he is it. Almost disappears is really interesting. So this Neil Mohan. The chief product officer has a lot to say about what they of course are obliged to take down this horrible misinformation. They obviously since they are in direct contact as you just heard with with the pharmaceutical industry the CDC they know exactly what's right and what to kick off and who doesn't belong on Youtube misinformation as changing where we have to give all of our evaluators new guidance to enact underneath those policy so when they say evaluators. That's basically freelance kids sitting at home all day and looking at searches and correcting the answers to authoritative information. It's a human process and it's happening The tens of thousands around the world. You know four weeks ago. Would we have been talking about things? Like Corona virus and five G. conspiracies. No well that's a that that that happened and so we need to update our enforcement guidelines around that and make sure that we remove those videos from our platform because in my mind if somebody believes that this disease spread through five G. That means that they're not gonna go and actually seek the medical care that they need. Oh He's also a mind to lodge. He's a mind reader. Apparently in his mind he reads the minds of others. And obviously he's doing this based on empirical data instead he's through five G. That means that they're not going to actually seek the medical care that they need or recognize actually is a virus and they need to wash their hands. So that's a policy violation. We're going to strike that type of content and that that's happening are rapidly. We have one of the other tools that we established. That's come in handy. Here is what we call an intelligence task and this is a team of professional to actually try to look kind of just over the horizon. You if you will in terms of we're a conspiracy might be coming from where misinformation might be coming from so that we can do our best to sort of stay ahead of something that might be emerging before it becomes a challenge on our platform. Oh Intelligence Desk John. They've got experts experts to sit there and they know exactly what could or could not be there. I don't see how a five G. conspiracy theory is a huge problem but He's very cavalier about the whole thing honestly His mascot just another example of his disdain for his actual customers. This is the power of an open platform. So right there. Wow this is the power of an open platform allows for content that is fresh timely relevant to get up on our platform in front of our users as quickly as possible so that's kind of foundational piece but this is also where kind of raising authoritative voices and making sure that we remove the misinformation. Come hand in hand. So let's take your mask example. You're right guidance. Unmasks change and this is what I mean by like. The actual underlying information is changing in a fundamental way. Really rapidly too but this is the reason why I feel really strongly that when users are looking for this information making sure that we're raising authoritative voices is important because the way that the question around masks would be covered by a credible sort of authoritative voice it Channel is that There would be context. There would be explanations behind why particular mass decision was made or not and so the user viewer of that content on our platform can make an informed decision for him or herself and so you know So as opposed to you know it's somebody espousing their opinions about a mask. You know in their basement. This is coming from Channel News source Medical Professional. And if that's the case we think there's going to be some context that's provided around the question of mast and even if that guidance changes it will be reflected in sort of how in the throatache voice or channel talks about it. My God leave. Leave these Silicon Valley companies. I think people are also being driven away from it. Just being driven. They can't find anything they want. It's boring when you find the same answers over and over again and these guys are just making the federation better than making bit. Shoot more interesting nuts. Well you know they took the David Eick channel off a you know he got remove says right. That's right but I suspect that he's GonNa get removed from twitter to Kennedy junior went into a long long. Bit about social. Media's like he he can't get on any social he's on instagram but he every post is sent through lawyers so that he doesn't get the platform he's very worried. He's I can't say anything because they'll take me down so I can only allude to staff and And that's why he's doing all these social media interviews. Meanwhile we did have a key there some treatments to talk about. So we don't have the vaccine just yet and We heard now of course the as we discuss some Thursday the FDA gave that was going too fast track approval even though the numbers are in until the end of May of rim disappear the orphan drug by Gilead also known for its treatment Or Prophylactic works of true vodka the issue stopping drugs so they say although they do disclaim it quite a bit as a lot of side effects and it's not necessarily one hundred percent safe but the unlike the hydroxy chloroquine which was just pooh-poohed Shit on and pushed down everywhere. Despite actual results may actually be what accounts for the fact that an and is an anomaly? That don't like to talk about in the media. There's very few cases of Cova Nineteen in Africa. Were they supposed to run kill everybody? It doesn't done anything. That's that's an hydroxy chloroquine area in India where they actually make make stuff is very small. Numbers well So they're using it as a prophylactic fairly obvious. Yes I just remembered something I I didn't get clips of it but Kennedy Junior says there's only about a thousand people a year die from the flu. He said the CDC is lying. They lie every single year. An Anderson Cooper in CNN. They get those numbers and they say oh sixty thousand people. Seventy thousand could be a bad year. Ninety thousand people go get your flu shot and I should have clip that. I'll do it for For Thursday he says no no they. It's the same problem. They count pneumonia deaths as influenza deaths of the sixty seventy eighty ninety thousand people a year. Who die of pneumonia. It's really only about a thousand people who die from actual influenza and then get. Pneumonia is the rest is all all all other kinds of respiratory issues and therefore the whole flu vaccine is a joke. It's just a money making machine cranks over and over and over again Robert. F Kennedy Juniors words not mine so some some media foolery here with Associated Press who covered the Oval Office announcement of the FDA. We've got the CEO of Gilliardi got fouled. She got deb. We Got Pants. Everybody's on board announce it. How awesome this and pay attention to the very end. Pleased to announce a. Gilead now has an easy way from the FDA for disappear and you know what that is because that's been the hot thing also in the papers and in the media for the last little while an important treatment for hospitalized corona virus patients and did something I spoke with Dr Khan and Dr. Pfau chief spoke with Deborah about it. And it's really murkier that duct afoul conduct the cup. Deborah Shit man handled. And it's something. I spoke with DR Congo Dr. I spoke with Deborah about it. And it's it's really a very promising situation we've been doing work with the teams that the FDA H. and Gilead for spearheading this public private partnership to make this happen very quickly really the thanks go to the patients and the caregivers that participated these clinical trials. I also want to say I'm privileged to work with a group of amazing. Scientists Gilead that for decades have been working on anti-virals and were poised to put disappear immediately into clinical trials when we saw the covert nineteen circulating. So I'm really proud of the colleagues back in. Gilead what I'd like to say. Is that half a billion to the president's point we feel a tremendous responsibility work humbled by speech an important first step probation for hospitalized patients. We want to make sure nothing gets in the way of these patients getting the medicine so we made a decision to donate about one point. Five million vials of REMINISCE. We'll be working with the government to determine how best to distribute that within the United States will be working very closely to get that to patients working with FEMA working with other parts of the government to make sure that we get to the patients in need as quickly as possible because there are patients out there that can benefit from this medicine today. That are hospitalized. And we don't want any time to waste for that and we're also fully committed to continued to expand supply this medicine. We started investing in this back in January. As soon as we became aware of the chronic virus this is a long time to manufacture. It used to be twelve months. It's now six months. Scientists have brought that down and so as we get into the second. Our scientists brought that down. Now man. This called your engineers. Production is not in the new science all of a sudden back in January as soon as we became aware of the crow virus. This is a long time to manufacture. It used to be twelve months now. Six months scientists have brought that down and so as we get into the second half of this year. We're able to have many more supplies available to patients were fully committed to the president with you here administration to make sure that patients in need can get this important new medicine. I apologize like thirty seconds of extraneous audio at the beginning was supposed to be there so you heard it. He says Mr President this is great everyone applauds and and let's listen again for you here ministration to make sure that patients in need you can get this important new medicine. That's fantastic. That's fantastic unfortunately the associated Associated Press. A is lying to you screwed you. Here is the ending as originally aired. I was watching. It live fully committed to working for president with you here ministration to make sure that patients in need can get this important new medicines. I really appreciate it but I also noticed the incredible job you've done with HIV which you know I remember so well. Fifteen years ago sixteen years ago it was. It didn't end there and there are certainly no applause after the spoke and certainly not the president. Saying that's fantastic. So they phonied-up to clip. Yeah that's really agree. Gis THAT'S ASSOCIATED. Press good job boys little something extra in your check. Stop to clip. You don't have to add a phony ending to it that we all do my clips next Thursday. My Neck's clips will have a phony ending. So I have received a number of interesting Bits of information about treatments and man. There's some great stuff. We have the low dose lung radiotherapy for Cova nineteen pneumonia. And this was sent to me by Sir Atomic Rod Adams. Who was an expert when it comes to radiation? Certainly nuclear he is. He's qualified for about thirty years. He's been in the business and he says I can't get anyone and he knows lots of people because he he's worked with the. What's the Nuclear Regulatory Agency here? We any any national clear. Acronym those guys. So He's trying to get anybody to pay attention to this because Well apparently we used to do this. back in the fifties low dose wrong radiotherapy. And this is the this is from What publication is this elsevier so it's an official publication real medical publication low dose long radiotherapy for Cova Nineteen DEMONIAC? The rationale for a cost effective anti inflammatory treatment And the the the original paper will be in the show notes. You can take a look at it. But basically with radiation less than that of an x Ray. They can zap it and it's it was done back in the fifties but once vaccines kind of came into style. Guess what wasn't so interesting because Zapping is only one time cost is not something that can kind of continue on an ongoing basis like year after year. But also there's people coming out of the woodwork. With wait a minute here is an whereas this pdf I have another study of actually Inserting a tube into an intimated patient. And then right at the top of their right above the trachea or below the trachea. I guess we'll be right by the lung. Airways they spray. Equivalent of hydrogen peroxide hydrogen peroxide. And that can go into the lungs and kill the backseat. Kill the kill. The virus is these are existing actual Existing treatments that have been published and this one has been peer reviewed drinking Lysol drink bleach. Basically I'm just reading it anyway reading while you're probably out when that happens and back as far as twenty sixteen. I think we had this clip. Our guest today has been conducting a study that assesses the ability of UV light to treat flu symptoms the UV light device. She uses is from Santa Barbara Business called. Ub L. Rx. So Stacy is in studio this morning with Dr writes in Good Morning. Good Morning Tony. Okay I think that the biggest question here is. How popular are you during flu season well very popular and all of my friends call right away as soon as they get sick? Okay talked about this technology that you're testing so the technology has been around for over one hundred years. Uv light treating flus and viruses and bacteria. It it won a Nobel Peace Prize one hundred years ago so the technology has been here for a long time. But what this company did is they. They took the delivery system and made it go directly into the body instead of outside of the body so this system has been around for just over a year so you can you show us a little bit about how it works your absolute demonstration here so so this would be the patient arm and procedure lasts for about an hour. And it's really simple. It's just like getting a regular ivy like if you were going to rehydrate so we in insert a catheter and we take the catheter. Out in order to put an adapter in which is this here that carries the light and the light goes right directly. Down in almost directly into the vein. And you can see it right here on. The light is on treating vein so there are other things to look at than the only lifesaving vaccine which won't work its debut already discussed vaccine in advance an rn. A vaccine which has never been proven to work on anything. It's it's just a crap shoot to make a lot of money. Yes and if the other thing is what is this and it keeps cropping up. What is the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? Is it a profit making organizations that the idea I thought they were their idea was to get people to give them money to do to distribute in philanthropic way phil philanthropy is not a thing you do to make money? It's just the opposite though. How is this all of a sudden you know gates is GonNa make billions and I mean the whole day own one of the prison? Private prison counties. What is the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation owning stock for this is This started with the giving pledge when was the twelve twenty twelve. I think Warren Buffett came up with this concept of philanthropy. Which is now. I think it's morphed into something. Called donor advised funds. We there was a lot of flack about Zuckerberg and other people doing this. Where you put this big pile of billions of dollars into a pot Which you haven't given out yet. But it's already basically nonprofit money and it's deductible you know the tax the taxes get taken care of right then and there and the and because it's a donor advised fund. The person who donated it into this holding nonprofit can then Dole it out at will but the And there's this one in Austin as well as usually silicon valley guys who exited with a lot of money. They set one of these up and they bring in nonprofit professionals and they have a website with a lot of. Damn Word Salad about all the fabulous things are going to do but the machine runs profitably. It it's doing investments and it's looking at Roi and it's just building and building so it's really an accounting trick so you got this billions of dollars over here with you owe taxes on you. Put a portion of it over here immediately. Take the tax benefit on your own schedule. However you want to and you're pretty much having your money work for you. That's what's going on here. Well you know this pledge is always bothered me first of all. We're not ready to take. Well he take hartness but I admire the people who refused to do it Pledge Half of their wealth for some Philanthropic Malarkey. is always market like me. But the idea. I don't pledges in general and that's why I always thought that grover norquist whatever the guy's name was the guy who did the tax pledge if you're a Republican you have to sign this pledge never raise taxes. As far as I was concerned my congressman is supposed to be working for me is not working for some guy. He made a pledge to. That's not even in my district so I find these pledges sorts of things. These these to be sickening. This particular Philanthropic Pledge. Really bugs me. People want to give their money away. Want they just give their money away why they have to make a big fuss about. They don't have to brag about it. I mean the whole idea of it would just be do give their money away quietly. I have to admire them. If you ever find out about it but these other people are just again. That's not that they're not virtue signal they want they. I think they're in a very different on a different frequency with each other and they truly believe the no. I don't think they're sitting there stroke in white pussies going no. I don't think so but I do not for a minute. Do I think that anyone who makes the they make the announcement that they're doing. The pledge is not virtuous signaling to their other rich buddy of course. Yeah in that regard absolutely to other buddies for sure but I think what Kennedy Jr. said there is correct. It's about control the they love it the control. That's being exerted right now is fantastic. How we really lost in many cases lost control. That's why when people are out there with their guns if peacefully surrounding governor's mansion or a will. There is a capital. Yeah and there are people in the capital. Were these these wimps that were elected officials are in there whining about it and weeding about. Oh my God I feel so. It's but that's exactly the point. That's why we have said many times. That's why we have the Second Amendment and it's part of protecting the first you're not gonNA kick us out. You're not going to send US away. And they won't. That's why they gotta have big words and come down going to kick your ass. There's one other very disturbing things happening in this In this crisis in that is the report for America Project and this is a this is a Google project where they are putting. I think it's two or three hundred quote unquote journalists into newsrooms around the country and the and basically they come with a check they have a promo video. Let me see if I can The old economic news business simply no longer work more sharp cuts to the newspaper. Staff and newspapers are taking steps to trim costs amid the corona virus outbreaks. So many of us are turning to local journalism in this important time. So this thing so that was the. That's the only spoken part in the in the piece but I'll read some of the words that appear on screen right after it so you get the idea. This is an this on the page. Meet the twenty twenty twenty. One Core Report for America today announced the selective two hundred twenty five journalists where. It's two hundred twenty reporting core so now reading from the video the need for trustworthy accurate and local information can be a matter of life and death waiting for more word a surge of reporters to meet this moment. God they should have done a voice over report for America and initiative groundbreaking truth. Oh my gosh this is so good with nearly quadrupling the size of the Program. You get the idea. The reporting positions come at a time when local journalism is already reeling from years of newsroom. Cuts and unforeseen challenges brought on by the Kovic nineteen pandemic. They also mark a major expansion from the current core. Size OF FIFTY. Nine of whom more than ninety percent are returning so they. This is the journal the Google's propaganda forces. Yeah but you're not. You're not explaining. It will go ahead. I don't I don't know anything about it but I have questions that you could answer. Be Okay now. What it sounds like is that they isolated a bunch of journalists. And they're gonNA pay them and they're gonNA give them to newspapers to work for the newspaper. Whatever correct and Google is going to be paying them? The newspapers don't have burden correct. Well the CIA been doing this for decades. Who said there was a difference? It's just a different cover. Cia has been using cover of all kinds of organizations CIA. Guys you get the double dip okay. You're paid journalist and you're paid by the in this case you lose half your salary because only Google's pay not thinking it's not. It's not as good a deal. Okay Gotcha yes. I'm in total agreement. Let's see we have a boots on the ground report In case you were interested about by the weights dough newspaper worth his salt if I if I was running a newspaper editor and chief as they they offer me one of these blokes no taking some guy just a stooge for Google coming right stories. Well I think the way the outreach works now. We have to step back a little bit online websites. I think most of these local news sources if they're still printing it's really their website that's that's doing all the business for them They have successfully handed over their entire sales structure to mainly Google all their ads. Come through it. And the minute. Advertising started to crumble amidst the coveted crisis they started to close down. Start going out of business so they were incredibly worried. Google can't just make up any or more than they already perhaps. Do make up numbers and say. Here's advertising advertisers Bhai at the advertisers. Just aren't there so google is the savior. You see the coming to save the media and I predict they'll do the same to the to the networks don't put people in the newsroom's there to eventually when when they when they become too unaffordable to propagandize everybody. They'll come in. They'll come in. That's not going to happen. Because the Pharma companies will keep those guys propped up in and the Chinese will pay more. But that's a good point. That's a good point a producer J. Says I want to provide some additional details to back up your comments on Thursday show about grocery store employees not getting infected with covert nineteen. I think this was your question. John I am. I am an. It Project Manager Aka cat herder for a grocery chain that employs roughly thirty thousand employees in twenty plus states and one of the projects. I manage is our companies. Workmen's compensation claim system. I guess he would know during a call this week. We discussed the fact that we've only seen fifty two cases so far you can do the. This is clearly being overblown. Keep up the good work cat herder of dudes named Ben J so that gives us some real insight. I think someone. Who has the most people working in debt at that level retail grocery Darren constant contact with the public. Absolutely so there'd be higher numbers not lower numbers desks. That doesn't make any sense women. I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you're saying. They're in constant contact with the public. So if this thing is that they should be much. Higher of course shouldn't be a low number like that that doesn't make any sense especially Serbs there unless they're screw with the numbers bunch of crooked bookkeepers giving us all this stuff and that's why people are breaking out. That's why they're not gonna stay at home anymore. There's no clear message. The data is all over the place. They switch graphs. It's it's a complete crap show and people die with it. Go on go ahead. I was GONNA say I have A. I have a clip dead under reported story. Unlike any everything else you've discussed about this is and this is a funny story. I don't know why it's funny. It's funny to me. I don't know who is condemning. It's dealing with The Bernie the Pro Bernie operation called democracy now booze really later in the show and we talked about Joe Biden and Tara Reid and different interviews. That had been done. Democracy now seems to be heading it. They're they're they're like leading the charge but they did this story on the On a covert nineteenth supplies. And this is the and you have to. Revisit says steaming but means steering steering supplies clip. Play this and tell me what you think in Maryland. Republican governor Larry Hogan said Thursday the National Guards protecting half a million corona virus tests imported from South Korea at an undisclosed location to prevent the federal government from seizing them. Governor Hogan told The Washington Post he diverted a Korean Air passenger jet to Baltimore. Washington International Airport to evade the scrutiny of the federal government. We live there with a large contingent of Maryland. National Guard and Maryland State police because this was an enormously valuable up payload it was like it was like Fort Knox to us to save the lives of thousands of our citizens at least six states report. The Federal Emergency Management Agency. Fema has intercepted orders for needed medical supplies. We're in a war man. So they bring the National Gar- great and they surround the airport. This was obviously diverted from Wash Dulles right so as a plan to end Cause Airports Nearby Baltimore. Airports no further really so they. They've take a plane and they do a gypsy. Do with it and convince it to go to Baltimore by the way. That's the exact aeronautical term dixie. So they get it to go to Baltimore. They surrounded with national guards to get this supplies off because they're afraid afraid is a republican by the way they're afraid that the feds are gonNA steal steal to load the whole load the whole load man. This is a story. That's a pretty funny story. Rate the mainstream would pick up and make you know and have some fun with other things to do is unbelievable so speaking of war. Just it mention this at an executive order and the president's been doing some interesting stop and writing some interesting orders and letters and this came up and Friday. Do you recall a read this verse. Four and adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk. Power System. The bulk power systems provides electricity that supports our national defense or vital emergency services are critical infrastructure our economy and our way of life. Blahdy blahdy blahdy Blah. The executive order prohibits certain future transactions involving bulk power system electric equipment where the Secretary of energy in coordination below will determine that the transaction. Vol's bulk power systems. Electric Equipment designed developed a in fact store supplied by persons owned by controlled by or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of a foreign adversary. Do you recall that? We found out that a lot of the inference. The electrical infrastructure in California is crappy. Chinese stuff. I vaguely. Remember this when we were looking at micro grids. Oh yeah the transformers all these a lot. They the big guys like semen joined. That's how Chinese sales technique so this is This is not reported by anybody at trump. Basically said screw you you your stuff along coming here. That's a better. Those are big ticket items electrical grid equipment. Oh Yeah it's always overprice a high profit margins. Well it's actually not all right. Low profit Martin Chinese because his best price right but it's also not necessarily superior quality and that's what we discovered when we looked at the micro grids and the and the fire in many cases. Yeah stuff's stuff is bidding. System stuff is happening action being taken. What else you got Sedona deals with covert. Now you have a co vid. Nyc report all. Yeah this is an update on what's going on in New York. I interested again democracy now here. In New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Thursday announced plans to deploy thousands of workers to trace the context of everyone tested positive for the corona virus. Cuomo said he hopes to assign thirty contact. Tracers for every hundred. Thousand New Yorkers billionaire former presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg will oversee the program Governor Cuomo also announced that beginning may six New York City subway system will be shutdown between one and five. Am each day to clean and disinfect. Subway cars and stations. It's the first time in over a century of New York subway. History that transit officials have counseled twenty four hour service across all subway lines. The shutdown will exacerbate a crisis for thousands of an housed residents of New York City who've used subway cars. They shelters of last resort. I liked the UNE. How's that that was our. That was our suggestion. Wasn't it knows that came out of some California talking points. We we liked it. I like it much better than experiencing homelessness. Yeah break. There is one important thing that'll be next on the radar for the show and everybody else in that will be tracking tracing and all the other stuff that is going to be done to. Make sure that we're all absolutely safe. I think we should go for it. Singing catching ot pickup is the greatest. Where you WANNA BE? These days still proudly sport my Alcatel Flip flip go flip. Three phone is just fine. The keeper is now considering making similar moves and Australia is ahead of the game with the tracking and tracing and here's Australia's chief. Medical Officer Brendan Murphy. The prime minister talked about the conditions. President that National Cabinet challenged us to make sure we met before they were paid to consider any relaxation of current measures. And I was pleased to be able to present to the national cabinet What we call a pandemic health intelligence plan In that plan was listed a table of is conditions precedent and. We're doing pretty well the conditions. I'll just outlaw them in an Ivy Y. The first one was around surveillance and we have a surveillance plane and we have sufficient surveillance mechanisms so violence painting the tracking and identification of of outbreaks. Another one that we've made his we call. Community here is to public health measures. And we'll show you on the presentation that we've tracking. The people are doing what we have said. Thia reducing them ability and their interactions as required by those original measures. I like that Conditions Precedent for tracking so. He know stuff he knows what people are doing. And we know that there's many data sources out there where you can get that information. Pretty sure Google give them anything. I was surprised though to hear the cavalier way which you just kind of throughout the names and what they've given a to Australia's chief medical officer next slide. This is a new major basically. This is showing Masur's that people are adhering to distancing measures. So for this is for New South Wales showing when we introduced those measures for apple giving US dieter on directions for driving. You can say that direction. Fuck you apple. That was the one thing I didn't think they would ever do affect the one company. I never expected to give up location. Data is apple and here it is apple is giving US dieter on directions for driving. You can see that directions for driving. Have dropped dramatically. Google has got data on time at train stations again. That's dropped but the converse is Google Dieter on times at Residential Google. Google does track. People know doesn't but this is showing that How how will people have it to our measures that we put in place and you can see some little spikes around Easter time but generally people are doing the right thing. It's so disheartening. So J. C. And Jesse and the baby was his birthday. Oh it is Theodore ables Brunt Cinco de Mayo your day. Is He in Hawaii on the list? It's better be no. He was not on the list will put him on the list. He's three years. I know it's Eric Competition. They come when they come over for dinners. We have these dinners on. Fridays and Saturday and Sundays will have one on Tuesday this week but JC will leave his phone at home because he just. What do you leave your phone at home door which is fine because normally is on the phone all the time but he says all is? I'm working I work in his involvement security. And I know what's going on. I'm not going to be tracked over coming over here. And somebody's going to bring up his data someday and throw it in my face and basically he wants to disassociate from you. That could be. That's what it sounds like. I don't want someone to find out who was over there. One day buzzkill central absolutely right. We all know it but now it's just going to be hot so good. I'm so happy maybe this will even start to give people some questions. I'm just saying people these once a month. That's tape you're of a tape your phone to the dog and just let the dog go around with it. Yeah that's a pretty good idea. One more clip on on this tracking tracing identification was the idea of an immunity passport. Dr Oester home. He's the guy who was on Joe Rogan. The same Week I was and and was also propagating the incorrect models of huge amounts of horrible nece. That was going to happen so I wasn't too impressed with him. And he was on the are a podcast which I think is the centers for what is it. Nah Sudras said dresser drawer at the Centers for immunization infection infectious diseases and something else whatever. Yeah it's an official outfit and he talked about the immunity passport but one of the ideas the WHO address in their state was the idea of immunity passports. What do you make of that? I did because that because that has been mentioned mentioned by several countries of issuing passports if they are producing antibodies. This is actually one of those examples. I was just referring to our well. Intended people who mean to help provide a better way of understanding WHO's protected. Who's not who might be infected. Who might get infected by creating his immunity password but they have no sense at all but they really mean what we can say about his level of antibody what it means in terms of protection so this is far far too early in the game to decide that became blue that I also worry about companies. I see right now. They're talking about reopening when they are actually wanted tested worker to see if they're antibody positive or not and this would be a way that they can get ryokans sooner natural and so I think Ashworth crown shout or some time to come center for infectious disease. Research and policy so probably at the University of Minnesota is a think tank. So thank goodness reminds me I so I'm reminded a story where I I used to carry around a card that gave. That was a little yellow carded. Carry with your passport. That was an immunity passport. Show that you had yellow remember that yes and the way it worked with me was And wishes shows you. How Bogus is anyway. So I was in Peru and headed to Brazil and a An as I was as I was at the gate checking in from the Brazilian Air Lines. Or whichever I can't remember which carrier I was on. But they say you can't go to Brazil so what I got the visa. No no no you. You don't have your yellow fever certificate right now. They're blocking everyone from coming into the country who doesn't have a yellow fever shot so I said what can I do about that? And he said well we do have a Dama facility at the airport where you get a yellow fever shot so I got the so. I went to this place and it was pretty Nice Clean Clinic and they show you the device. Show you everything in advance. Show this new and open it up in the pack and give you a shot and then they get a certificate so I got the certificate I got the shot and I got to pass boom. I'm on my way to go to Brazil and a guy stop. She made the borders. Israel's see your yellow fever certificate I give it to him. He says this is from like This is like from yesterday. He says the shot doesn't take effect for two weeks doesn't count and so. I said wow so. He said so. I said That's what am I supposed to do as you have. You had this shot before said Yeah I had a before and all I just have a certificate so I got another shot as a booster and he goes okay unless we right in. I've never had a shot. I just buffalo my way through. Well done Sir which is way to travel. If you travel a lot you have to just do it. Where we we found the the ultimate Passport no agenda Nation Style Gitmo Nation Style Goto Road Ide- Dot Com R. O. A. D. I. D. DOT COM. I think this is the one that will That a look the best if you look at Are you there a couch? Get happy why. I don't have my browser in the front. Because I was ready to do the Said the spreadsheet Ouch Gotcha Gotcha got is waiting to see. This'll be groovy. Roa D. R. O. A. D. IDE- DOT COM. Listen Nice Little Url. Yes and look at these. This is the band. I'm talking about with little metal plate on it. You can engrave it with anything you want and you can do a little logo little medical logo with a snake and that should at what you should get on it and I want someone to design this so we can put these orders through. It should have the logo and then on top of it Cova Nineteen. Antibodies antibody confirmed and then just some random number like a serial number. Yeah now you're introducing the concept of the producers of fraud. Yes total fraud. Obviously make sure when it's a game John. It's not like this. This is a nice pack is. This looks very thin. Could look official. If you had the right logos yes thank you. Thank you for protecting Protecting me in the show by claiming that yes of course talking about fraud but unlike the fraud that's been perpetrated upon us. You Mean Yeah. Unlike it yes. It's not the same fraud different fraud. S Guys Yeah this Little Company. We just need to have The right design. Someone's got to put that together for us before we take a break. You can switch back to the spreadsheet. We'll get there. There's very sad news. Oh I'm kind of happy news and sat at the same time. We actually had a death of a celebrity dacoven. Nineteen a real celebrity. No no the the influencers the inspiration for a lot of the of this program a lot of the words we use the actual term in the morning. Weenie and the butt have returned to the show. I heard they were busted for sexual harassment. Nothing like drive time radio to remind me that I don't make enough to afford satellite radio. Hey you're listening. To W H G ninety seven point one and we are Devon and Lawrence formerly known as Weenie and the button. That's right Devon. Those names no longer fly ever since. Several women came forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against each of us and Laura. She were misconduct. Seven point one phase out taught me to overlook it works. So we're now on our own Joe. You know the funny thing is is that who there's enough they know so much that show under the writer's room that the guys who did Weenie in the but if there were let's stay there existed in in real life and they do but not as those two guys they would have definitely by now been busted for sexual harassment. No doubt about those types of guys and with that I'd like to say in the morning to you and thank you very much for your courage. The man who put the sea in the Kobe nineteen bracelet. John C. Devora Matthew. Yes oh I'm sorry a UN also in the morning. The ships at sea failure subs in the water and the dame's and the nights out there. Yes in some of them will be Trolling along in our troll room count. Nineteen Nineteen Nice number. Hello trolls they're all hanging out. No AGENDA STREAM DOT com a chat scrolling by. I see it the corner of my eye. It's fantastic sometimes. We get good lines and often. It's just irritating people. Trolling which is what they do We have a jingle for them. 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It's just a good piece. Yeah he's a natural. We have admitted going. There are some other ones that you like you like something else in Actually I thought there was about six pieces. That were all usable. But the U. Somebody's GONNA do original straight up original in every way and relate to the show and they got the fat Costco Chick shaking her fist. Kirkland with the Costco Things. We had a couple of bracelets we had People trying to set you pre guess what we're going to talk about. Yeah which is always risky. Very risky Also I don't think we need to do any more yellow stars for Kobe. Nineteen the jokes kind of been done. Yeah there's something else that's going on too. I didn't have to go back and look at the page noticing does is just not working I'm looking now. I don't know there's not maybe not anyway. What is fantastic? And I'm always blown away by the amount of art that comes in. The artists were all competing in real time. What we're doing the show live. 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He's not not answering questions or he's doing a little bit in the Oval Office and there's really nothing to report I mean there's no more graphs you know it's just the same questions about What we went from ventilators to mass. Now it's about testing. Oh that's just kind of dying down. I think everyone's weary of it so I spent Some of my Rona time. Relearning them and Mutt the command line applications and I've realized that I it's so much faster when you move like windows and interface and user interface if your hands don't leave the keyboard and you're not using the mouse why anyone wants a mouse. I have no idea. It's no evidence and it's really true. I am so much. Faster can process so much more information particularly with the customization. I'm just going on a quick little Lennox rant and I realize that email and this this is really the reason why I run. My own. Server is the ultimate platform to build data input applications. And I've got stuff. Tricked out man. I can send an email where the key word adds to a file of stuff for the show or for a different project producer notes and then it all wraps up and pops in front of me on the show day. I'm so proud of myself nerd we are. Yeah but it's it's really time well spent. I encourage everybody to look in to just these if you want to do anything fast. Look into these two applications so I lied to discuss Joe Biden and Tara Reid and the finally came out and did an interview came out and he took a huge risk and went on morning. Joe Yes he did and it did think people loved that they thought maybe was actually you know she did a stand alone with him and she was had a stern look on her face and she kept asking the same questions over and over and so when I started clipping these things I got three clips from this but I could have gotten a lot more because she did some of. It's kind of amusing. But it was really. It looked like a shit look serious. It looked like she was going after. She kept pounding about pretty much opening up the archives at the University of Delaware which everyone's doing. And but then in in retrospect crystal Baugh of all people came on with a critique that really put her I think put his interview in its place. But let's before we do that. Let's listen to Meek Joe and how this went. Let's go to part one. Vice President. Thank you for coming on the show this morning. We have this morning Joe and well I will join in just a moment for questions on how you would handle this pandemic that campaign and other news of the day but at the start. It's just GonNa be you and me and I want to get right to the allegation made against you by Tara Reid if I could just interrupt for second. They negotiated a good deal on that. And that's why she she said it is just you and me and I think that was very smart of the Biden camp and campaign because the minute you throw anything extra in there it you you'll you can never get through and I think Joe would have been confused so I think that was a good setup also was at eight o'clock hour wasn't at six in the morning So it was. It was friendly. Set up well right to the allegation made against you by Tara Reid. So the former Senate aide accuses you of sexual assault and please to our viewers. Please excuse the graphic nature of this but I wanna make sure that there was no question as to what we're talking about she says in Nineteen ninety-three Mr Vice President that pender against the wall and reached under her clothing and penetrated her with your fingers. Would you please go on the record with the American people? Did you sexually assault Tara? Reid is not true. I'm saying unequivocally it'd never never happened. Never happen do you remember her. Do you remember any any types of complaints that she might have made. I don't remember any type of complaint. She may have made. It was twenty seven years ago and I don't remember nor does anyone else that I'm aware of. The fact is that I don't remember. I don't remember any complaint ever having been made have you or your campaign. Have you reached out to her? No I had not reached out tears twenty-seven years ago this never happened and when she first made the claim we made it clear that it never happened. And that's your simple as that things one specifically do you remember her And he does not answer that question he just glosses over and goes on to something else and they ended up talking. Points are apparently this twenty-seven years thing he says that over and over again through the whole thing and you can again. I only took these three short because more because it gets repetitive. She keeps hounding about the same things. You keep quotes him about what he said about. Just the judge Cavenaugh hearings. Which is what everyone's comparing this to accept. She's leaving out the important part of it. Which is the verifying the witnesses that have backed her up She leaves that out completely. Which all right. It's not witnesses corroboration. Yes at the time period which is important as opposed to this woman who came out against cavenaugh. She had nothing so. Let's go to clip to in the past thirty minutes or so you've released a statement on medium and among other set things you write this. There's only one place a complaint of this kind. Could be the national archives. I am requesting that. The Secretary of state ask the Senate as the archives to identify any record of the complaint. She alleges she filed if there was any such complaint. The record will be there. Are you preparing us for a complaint that might be revealed in some way? Are you confident there is nothing? I'm confident there's nothing. No one ever brought into the attention of May twenty seven years ago. This is any assertion at all. No one that I'm aware of in my campaign I shaved my my Senate office at the time is aware of any such request and or any such complaint and and so i. I'm not worried about it at all if there is a complaint. That's where it would be that you'd be filed and put it out but I've never seen it. No one has that. I'm aware of the New York. Times investigated this exhaustively. They didn't find any of your former staff members. Were able to corroborate the details of this allegation. She did file a police report. A few weeks ago with DC police but since you want to set the record straight limit this only tower read. Why not release any complaints that it may have been made against you during your stunned career? I'm prepared to do that. The Best of my knowledge no complaints made it begins. Means current turns my office. Had this been Ryan Lucas. An Open Book. There's nothing to hide nothing at all. You know what's been very interesting in this ordeal which I knew you would do this. Then I appreciate it You Know Joe is after all your beat With Cavanaugh and so this is the comparison. That's made continuously and absolutely Christine Blasi. Ford had no corroborating in fact actually say no. I don't remember any of that so Denying what she asked them to testify to. But the t the term at the time was believe all women yes and that has changed to all women should be heard and it sounds kind of the same way the same thing. Yeah Yeah Yeah but no. It's not the same. It's and that is a green is gone from women to women should be heard were. These are all taught. This all came out a memo and it I mean and by was obviously hounded to make sure that put twenty seven years ago thing in as much as possible. What do you mean memo? What are you talking about? There was like there's a number of pieces of paper floating around. Tell everybody to say everyone must be heard. I've heard I if I just sat around and took clips of all these pundits saying all women must be heard. I mean everybody else. I don't even that didn't even emphasize it too much on with these clips because it's out of control is rampant. And in fact. They didn't go into that part of it with this Biden thing because I thought that I think it may be something of a smokescreen. Oh well Jo said this. Debate about Lasi Four. And now he's saying something different about this accuser media that I'm talking about you know. Forget what Biden says. The media's doing knows a whole I think is something of a distraction to the fact that this happened but you know what I'm saying so they're they're making a point of this. Well you've changed your way you're looking at things to change. Wait a minute. There was a there was a rape basically. That took place here and we're not talking about that anymore. We're talking about this change in attitude by the Democrats who believe all women do. I trust her. I gotcha so just move on and say here. You broke a here so so. I didn't really jen meek. Just hounded him about that and I had none of those clips. Because I'm not interested so I just go to the last one. Which is this little clip here from the very beginning. I've said the leading women means taking the women's claims seriously when she steps forward and and then vetted look into this this. That's true in this case as well women have a right to be heard. I want you to just Now some information has changed I think will lead into your into your clips and again Associated Press who are really on a terror. Certainly on today's show. They changed the headline of their story and the story is that terror read now apparently has said well. I did file a complaint but I only filed a complaint about Joe Biden complimenting me on my legs and I didn't put the sexual assault into that so when that news broke Associated Press Headline Terror read says the Senate report she filed against Joe Biden. Didn't refer to sexual harassment or assault fascinating. What she said there where he said. Hey I really like. Your legs is literally. Today's definition of sexual harassment is yours as quickly. So they changed it. Yeah they're chicken Shit Limited. Let me read to the change. Read Colon I didn't use sexual harassment in Biden complaint. So somehow they got this quote and then they actually put at the bottom that The headline of this story was changed for clarity and to incorporate a direct quote from read. Come I mean there's untrustworthy? So I guess the captain obvious. What am I thinking? Tari show Of All People Crystal Ball. Who is a We've never thought much of her and she sounds like a Ding Bat when she presents must she. She went to what reason or if she goes. She's actually doing pretty good. I think he'll oh she's at the hill. She's at the hill. Doing a video at this other guy. And she's kind of a Bernie Bro and he has kind of a Libertarian Republican. It's not hard to watch. I mean it's okay. No it's not hard to watch. It does a little long Yacky Yacky Yacky Act too much is I mean we act a lot the two of us but we change the subject a lot and we'd we'd bring it in the book we bring we bring in. We need the but I mean how how it's like. Hello so and this is a long clip. But I think it's. It's it's valid clip to listen to holy crap. This long clip is a long clip. But this is her explaining why and when I saw this I realized that I was kind of taken in by the media thing I watched other people who are taken in by. Its thinking all. She did a pretty good job. She went after him but no she didn't go after him in the least and crystal ball caught it right away. Are we allowed to stop and comment or a? Please do because you're GONNA be boring. How does that square with what you're saying now? And she was very persistent on the records. The part that was completely absent is if you listen to that interview you would think that. Tara has nothing backing up that she has no on the record. All exactly it all hinges on that one thing which by the way they also don't make clear. The interview is just about harassment according to Tara not about the assault so we should be clear about that that as well but there's no mention of the facts. You guys know the list that her brother confirmed her friends confirmed. She said she told her mom. Ucare called into Larry King live that tape emerges then two additional corroborating witnesses. Come forward a neighbor that that spoke with rich McHugh. He said look. I know this happened because tar told me about it about two years after it had occurred and a CO worker. Who didn't corroborate the sexual assault part but confirmed Tara talk to her about facing harassment at her workplace in DC and she had been reassured that that would not reoccur in this office. There was also an intern that the near time spoke with who confirmed the piece of the story that tar says she was reassigned. She's had been managing the intern. She was suddenly reassigned after she complained about sexual harassment. This intern says she does recall. Tar being reassigned suddenly and she doesn't know why so that's to me. The biggest sort of missed opportunity here is again if your viewer who hasn't really tuned into the story which a lot of people haven't because the media has really focused on it. You would not know that. Tara has all this weight of evidence on her side. And that's why the cavanaugh standard is so problematic for Biden and everybody else who's taking his side because Christine blase Ford didn't have nearly that amount of corroboration and most women who come forward won't have that amount of cooperation and that's actually what bothers me and this is where I don't know whether to put on my conspiratorial hat or not which is look. This is likely the only long length of time he will ever answer questions about this allegation. I'm reasonably certain of that. This is also frankly the only real thing hearing on this that MSNBC viewers are likely to ever get that lightning questioning and later. We'll be covered in their prime time shows and they'll play cooks from it. And if you think about the totality of that a large segment of MSNBC viewers and Democratic voters will never hear about rich mcadoo's corroborating reporting. Never hear about the Larry King Phone. Call remember these people exist. Everybody loves to talk about this vis-a-vis Fox on Fox and yeah what about the MSNBC bubble has corroboration been told to Biden's face and has yet to respond and again trump has had to do this for every single one of the sexual assault allegations. I mean mostly you know it's kind of interesting as I'm just listening to. This is off the wall and doesn't make sense but it's almost as if certainly the timing of everything someone in the. Democrat Party said who do we have a Democrat? Someone who can do a little mission force. Yeah we got that girl. Tara reach Democrat owns not a secret it worked so well for trump. Yeah yeah he just thought exists. Everybody loves to talk about this recently Fox on Fox author. Yeah what about the MSNBC bubble has the cooperation been told to Biden's face and has yet to respond and again trump has had to do this for every single one of the sexual assault allegations. Most policy justice. Cavanaugh had to do the very same thing literally line by line on all these other things. How come Joe Biden does not have to answer Larry King phone call and others and why he believed Dr Ford Van and doesn't believe terror says the facts? Then were on Dr Ford. Cy and the facts are not here. Well that's the thing if these MSNBC viewers only believed that the Axworthy records look my friend. Joe Simonsen. He called the Senate historian he said. There's it's almost impossible that these things are still around and one other so I think they're very smart and absolutely say this really just detracts all the attention away from what actually happened or didn't happen but the comparison that trump is. I'm sorry it's way off base. He was he was. He was not accused of sexually harassing someone. You've not accused of raping. Someone was well not at least not in the context of the election. There was no formal charges. No meeker interviews with anyone like that now. We had stormy Daniels and we had a grab them by the Pussy. Comet very different if I may just take a moment and say we'll give you my thoughts on this or do you have more data. We need to listen to I of stuff you should listen to. I do want to play a Biden. I show by Ma. Maybe the One Ladies and Gentlemen My Office Eastern Ryan. What my office in my office of my office in these my office. Internet needs to be run. I have no idea what he's say. My Office Irwin Corey. There's a few people get that. Let's go to this. I want to go and listen to a little bit of Linda. One of the cooperating witnesses and also Terry was interviewed by democracy now some time ago and she gives her whole story is actually kind of chilling. Listen to her We've heard some of it but this is one of the best presentations but let's listen to his rich mccue on Biden and this is probably has to be played to get out of the way musical. He wrote what he's the guy who wrote the article that busted all the stuff out. Fritsch mccue is recent investigation confirmed Tara Reid's accounts with two people who knew her in the nineteen nineties. And we're joined by one of those women. Lindell costs a former neighbor of Tara. Reid who corroborated Reed's account and she'll be talking about that for the first time in broadcast interview Rich mccoo brought out the interview with her imprint and business insider rich. Let's begin with you. Talk about this story. Joe Biden as we speak is saying. It's not true. Well I think that's not unexpected. You know for someone who's position what I'll say is that when I started reporting on this I had every story like this with extreme skepticism. I never actually wanted to report on this story. It was one of the survivors in the Weinstein story that I've worked with Sarah and Massey came to me and said look. Can you take a look at this and I said well look? We might not like what we find results that I'll go down this road and so the more that I've gone down the road Reporting it the more corroborating voices. I've found one I I you know who does he work for business. Insider the more corroborating voices. I've found in when I you know when she filed a police report And then when she when I found Linda Linda someone that struck me as entirely credible. She's like I'm a lifelong Democrat. I'm voting for Biden regardless and this happened so I need to in good faith come forward and say that so you know. Will we ever know that it's the there's a hundred percent truth at? This happened or did not. I don't think so but This needs to be continued to be reported out I know this morning the Joe Biden said Gee. He's calling the National Archives to to release these women. What did you say about Lifelong Democrat? Entirely wanted to corroborate. All of these people are Democrats. This guy's a democrat. This is the most reluctant I've ever seen all these reports that nobody wants to do this story but what I liked is lifelong Democrat so entirely entirely credible. It's like okay. Well I don't think yeah. I know what you're saying but I think what he meant was it's not as though she has a political grudge. I got morning Joe Biden said He. He's calling on the National Archives to to release his paper so we spoke to the National Archives and said look. There is some question about Tara Reid filing a complaint outside of this office outside of the Biden Office if if that if you had that would would would that live there? And they told us that. No they have no records from the believe. It's called the Fair Employment Practices Office and so leads us to believe that there might be some of those papers within the University of Delaware in his senatorial papers which is why we're calling on them to open binder full of crap. Yeah two separate ways or wanted to get this done with wine. We can go and listen to Linda for a little bit. We can jump Linda. Linda's interesting I can just summarize what she has to say. She says she was crying. And she had all these guys they. They were discussing something that had to do with violence and she brought the story of one of those three clips. You have if you're gonNA play the Linda clips kind of interesting because she's really as hard core Democrat and she's kind of torn about this whole thing. Mind hearing it okay. Linda on democracy now clip one. Linda this is your first time speaking on television about that. Tell us what happened in the Mid Nineteen Ninety S. How did you know Tara? And then tell us what she told you and why you're coming forward. Today was my next door neighbor by move engineer apartment right next to her and we became close at that time. And we actually. She told me about it when we were having a conversation. And so you know as rich Put forth in in the article in the business insider she. I was having a moment outside outside and by just receive some papers and I was sad about them and yeah she came over and we were talking about about violence because I had experienced violence myself and She started telling me about Joe Biden and what he had done so basically. She told me that he put his E- put her up against a wall and he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her and she was very distraught and she was very upset and she was crying. You know the the issue with this is that it's just going to go round and round and round round and unless there is an actual piece of paper that says here's what he did but even even if he only was Flattering complimentary about her legs This is a pattern with Biden. And it's just been accepted. Ever ask just joe or you know old old creepy. Joe Or whatever and there's no accountability for it which is is inconsistent of course and just makes The Democrats in this case look incredibly lame in week on the other hand. I completely understand. I know women who have been assaulted a different for similar very similar to this case or the alleged case and they didn't stop there assaulter. They didn't mention it to anybody The it's very easy to put this out. It's very shocking. The put it out of your mind the story can change. The mind is an incredible thing. It's not abnormal. That women will not talk about this in a in a report or in some other way like that. They talk about it to fellow survivors possible. I'm curious if there's Linda said let's report right away but also that doesn't happen. This is nineteen ninety-three. We didn't have a me too. So that's evolved quite a bit one other possibility. Is that just the harassment alone? Not The penetration was shocking enough for her young impressionable girl. The big powerful senator like this. Maybe he didn't do that but she kind of got into a Brian Williams vibe it happens to Democrats and before you know it choosing the helicopter crashing under heavy fire. You know it's like it happened to Hillary Clinton. She lied about that stuff too. Which is very possible. People believe this happened over. That's an overtime thing. But these these stories like woodland is telling here is at the moment within the moment with your mom. Yes within a year of the event right right. So that's a little you know you don't start creating these stories librarian but that was years earlier and same thing with Hillary but the next question is just full of shit all the time. The obvious question is Why not in two thousand eight when Biden was picked to be Vice President? And why now? That's a very fair question that I have not heard answered properly. Did that needs to be asked to Sarah. No one's asked that question. No one s anything immediate if it was a Republican. Yeah Yeah you're right. One of these guys are all next man up. I mean the Democrat Party is is is the part and the Republicans would like to be this party but the Democrats are this party which is why a lot of people are attracted to the Democrat. Party is next man APP. You you wait in line you do your thing and become a congressman. You do this then you move up you move up your next man. Up You're going to be the senator you're the next man up Belka. Who's on the list for the president and this is all the rest of is bogus and the nominations and all the rest of the Biden was the next man up because he decided to be was been a problem if when Hillary was next man up and so these next man up so they don't deal you're stuck with the guy they're loyal. They're very loyal this party to the people and so they're very loyal to Biden and so she's going to see a lot of what you're complexities aren't going to be there. Let's go to the second part of this clip. Then what year was that you had. That conversation was either nine hundred ninety four very early. Nineteen Ninety five or early nineteen thousand nine hundred six and Linda if you could so mind you. That's not really at the time John. That's three years later. Possibly one witness. The MOM was at the time. The brother was at the time and the other neighbors at the time I get the feeling you believe. That Biden did this yes. I'm six and Linda. If you could talk about your response at the time. She told you did she tell you. It was Senator Biden who she had worked for she. She did tell me. That really didn't pay that much attention at the time. I didn't really leave care much about politics. I didn't. I knew she worked for him. I didn't know Willie Hurry was much. Didn't put that much importance on those lips. So can you talk about why you decided to come forward now? I understand your abiding supporter. Is that right? Correct Strong Lifelong Democrat and I am a biting supporter and you. Now she didn't know about. I didn't know about all the stuff that was going on in the news. She told me about it last month. She called me and she told me that she had decided to come forward with it. And and I said and she told me about the allegations that I said. Oh yes I remember that. So she re talked again a little over a week ago and I volunteered to come forward and again you know I worked so much. I hadn't really had time to to pay as much attention if I could have. I did volunteer to come forward and the reason I volunteered to come forward is just I? I feel that the truth and see told I realized that we are uniquely positioned to do some fun things with the story for as long as it lasts which will not be very long. I guarantee you Particularly if we compare it to the Cavanaugh rape allegations here is a democracy now. A report from well. It doesn't even seem that long ago does it? Meanwhile the National Council of Churches has called for Kavanagh's nomination to be withdrawn saying he showed extreme partisan bias during last week Senate hearing into sexual assault allegations by Christine Blasi Ford Against Him. The group represents some forty five million churchgoers at one hundred thousand. Us churches where they where they know. Where are they these? Are All your clips by? I don't know if you remember much of them. Listen to this one. I'm just Rando. Randall clipped Linda. Bagwell I mean. Just ask same question. I ask of on. Julie are people getting our young people getting mixed signals from our nation's leaders. Right now there is some obvious sexism in that as we tell boys that were telling me this was the discussion that was going on around. Cavanaugh boys are leaders. Have horrible examples. Jota no no. You're not GONNA do that. Good with Joe. It is well. I can skip the last one if you want. But it's only one minute. Let's play clip. Three from Linden. They will move to the end of this. Which will be terrorist actually talking and just talk about how you mesh believing her now that she was sexually assaulted by her boss by senator. Joe Biden that's her allegation. If you believe her why you support him. It's it's it's a difficult thing. I've always supported him and I just have to keep supporting him now and it's a little bit harder now. After his allegation I need definite anti trump. No kidding so I'm having a little bit of a hard time with this. Is the position that the United States of America is in right now? We have become so polarized and politicized that it is more acceptable to wink. Wink nod nod. Let Joe Slide on this. Because ultimately he's GonNa take out the orange Ma'am edge and therefore okay one Finger Bang. Who gives but mostly it's an anti trump thing and I saw him on Morning Joe this morning. You very believable to. I'm hearing this today and I heard Tara along time ago. Kellyanne this puts a lot of Democrats in this situation. That's why we're not seeing this on the regular media because the media itself would have is a brain fry and so so we get it. We get it. We get to watch the interview to get to see crystal ball on Internet. Tv hold on one. Second I just wanted to say and I. I think that we we can see things pretty evenly and I was like either way. I'm not outraged. I'm not running around like my head's on fire nor or chopped off pants on fire. Neither a you didn't do the same with trump either. What we're seeing. This is very similar to when trump was going through all this the people who were always trump they let it slide. They let all those now. It wasn't to the same level in my opinion as what we're talking about here but they let it slide and when he says crazy ass shit people like ads. Just trump man. The Democrats are doing the same with Joe Biden and we have to a recognized that both sides will do this. The Democrats are saying. Well you know Joe I mean you know he did this but trump so we need. The Joe can't string three sentences together but it's Joey who's going to get rid of trump. That's what's happened and I think it's a magnitude of order more severe. An order of magnitude more severe with trump's always loyalists on both parties. And they're always going to vote for their guy. This woman is right at the cross roads of maybe just not voting which I think a lot of people do because they can't vote for trump. I I think a lot of not vote. I think a lot of trumpers especially women in the in the two thousand sixteen election were on the fence when the grabbed by the Pussy thing came out. This is a different majority white women so but this is a different level. I'm just observing a little more observing. What's going on here? That's talking more action with Joe. Rubber meets the road with Joe. He's a doer. He's a grower not ashore. So let's go to Terry was on democracy now and this is a while ago this when this all first came out and nobody picked up on it it just died in the water and it's only recently. There's been everyone's a beside themselves about what to do about. How long ago was this? Can Cova go on longer can Covadonga? How long ago was this interview? It was when she first came out the accusation with Qatar right away. Yeah okay I believe it will be mentioned in here But let's start with Terry on democracy now and they have three clips. But just start with the intro which kind of brings it right to the right to the four senatorial records at the University of Delaware which are sealed to the public and its comments during the Brett Cavanaugh Supreme Court hearings in which he said for a woman to come forward glaring lights of focus nationally. You've gotTA start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real unquote Joe. Biden's denial comes to more people have come forward. This week to corroborate the account of Tara Reid business insider reported earlier this week. That reads former neighbor. Said the pair discussed the assault in detail in the mid. One thousand nine hundred ninety s and that Tara Reid described then Senator Biden pushing her up against a wall and digitally penetrating her a former colleague. Who also knew read in the mid nineties said she'd spoken of being sexually harassed by her former boss in Washington. Dc Tara Reid. I came forward with allegations in March. She recounted the incident on democracy now. A warning. Her description is graphics. I really enjoyed digital penetration. Oh my God so here. We go with Tara Reid. On democracy now this is part two and this is her introduce along clip but a good clip. I was approached by my supervisor. She handed me a gym bag and said hurry. Joe Once you once this So get it to you down towards the capital and I went down the stairs and I don't remember exactly where I was Because there's connections between the Russell building that before doors but we were in a semi private location wasn't a room. That wasn't the you know the rest office building. It was I mean on the roads office. It was down in quarters and Handed Him Gym bag and then he was one as I described the moment he was talking to me. Then he said some things that I don't call and I was up against the wall and he. I remember the coldness of the wall and I remember his hands underneath my boss and underneath my skirt and is fingers penetrating me as he was trying to kiss me and I was pulling away any blowback and he said on man like me he was angry. It was like a tight voice and he tended to smile when he was angry. And he isn't like uncle Joe like everybody talks about now younger. Who is my dad's age time very strong and he looked insulted and angry and I remember feeling like I had done something wrong when he said that statement and I was standing there when he said he was still near me he said point to disfigure and said you're nothing to me. Nothing I walked away and I don't remember exactly where I went after. I think I went to the restroom to clean up but I don't remember precisely but next memory. I have is sitting on the cold stares and the Russell Building Baxter's for the big windows are remember just my whole body shaking and I remember knowing but knowing that I had made him angry that my career was probably over sitting on the stairs. The reality hit me but next thing I remember was that night talking to my mom and she was like you need to file a police report sexual assault and I didn't think of it as sexual assault and I didn't really understand I was trying to just get over the shock of it because I looked up to him supposed to be a champion of women and I was so thrilled to be office and so honored shattered my life and change the trajectory at my whole career in life and I lost my job after I complained and I was fired. Holy Crap John. I'm so glad you brought this. They're said here that I did not read anywhere. I've not heard any of these things. Is I think that is a good Very good details in that. Could this be a hillary up now? No she's brazen. She is well. She's got to kind of details about the cold against the back of her. No I'm not. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Is the timing of this etcetera till I. I know what you're thinking because every you can always suspect Hillary but I don't see I don't think I think Hillary's urge to deal. I don't think so you're right. She would have been dead. If a hillary were after her. I wouldn't think Hillary's after Biden's job or the position so she becomes the nominee Oscar. What do you mean the Joe was all? But saying it's it's you should have been you g you hey hill a I should be here. Let's listen to the last part of this as pretty shocking to listen to. It was pretty shocking. A shocking and believable. And it's got all the Joe Biden. Earmarks away the guys probably at borderline personality guy. He's got issues is creepy. And here we go. We were following up on a podcast interview done by journalists Katie however many news outlets were slow to report Tara Reid's allegations but our story gained renewed attention last weekend when archival video emerged of reads mother. Anonymously calling into Larry King. Show on CNN. In one thousand nine hundred ninety three and making a reference to what happened to her daughter. Tara pillow. I'm wondering what A staffer would to do. Besides go to the press in Washington. My daughter has just left there After working for a prominent senator and could not get through with her problems at all the only thing she could have done with Goto the press and she chose not to do it out of respect for or she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for. She didn't Della Tara. Reid has confirmed the voice as a caller. What's her mother who died in. Two Thousand Sixteen. Joe Biden's campaign has denied read. Sexual assault claim calling her allegation untrue. All this comes as Joe Biden picked up several high profile endorsements this week including house speaker. Nancy Pelosi Seen Congressman. Paul Co chairs the Congressional Progressive Caucus March thirty first when she was on democracy. Now then I remembered vaguely. Yeah I remember Gosh shocked. I tell you there's sexual harassment going on there yet and the funny thing is not to bring a little sexism into this if you see a picture of her ad at age when she was twenty seven whenever this happened she was. She looked like a model. And I'll relay. Oh she is literally gorgeous okay very model. Like dwell me she. She wasn't just pretty. And so you end up. Thinking Biden is one of these guys. He's a Douche bag and he probably just thought she was a loose woman in my goodness. You're right she's kind of has that salty kind of look. Yes she looks. Sexy looking to be to be sexist jerk but which let's just let's just that's the thing that we can do. We can disc- waiting be sexist jerks but we can discuss. This is an element. Yes it is can't be overlooked. We'll be overlooked by the media because they can't talk about a woman's appearance but this woman was gorgeous and Biden douchebag and so he goes after her and she she was probably a you know somebody that really wanted to be in the political machinery is not as a whore and it didn't work out for her and she just just looking the difference between the pictures then and now it's also very possible this really mess with their head man. I believe it did. Yeah she says it did cheese. What that's like day and night. Yeah well that's what happens when you work with the psycho. Anyway I I. It's not often that I just dumbfounded. I got no. I can't say anything. But I'm shocked by this sham. Sitel you shocked good report. It was it pretty. I'm completely I totally believe that this happened and I believe probably have the other women to in some make while there. I think there's another another person who did come forward come out of the woodwork. After a while because Murray hold on there's one brand new came out today. We'll see what this is also reported by Let's see new women. New Woman Woman Claims Biden sexually harassed her when she was fourteen and the allegation. The hair is that her mom introduced her at some function to Joe And he said how old are you and she said fourteen. Oh my God you're really well endowed for fourteen. She apparently left her somewhat confused at the tender age of fourteen work. Yeah you think. Ooh before we take our break just a little bit of different news. We're going to go to Candy Navy because Candy Navia. Amidst all of the runner fide news that we have going on by the way Rohner radio DOT COM is your source for all the information. They had a mass shooting the biggest one in Canada's his yeah don't WanNa Nova Scotia yes and But it wasn't in one spot was spread was nuts. He was shooting everybody and it was driving a police cruiser. And there's a lot of stuff that we have absolutely no knowledge of what happened or what went on The Chinese even Chinese spend the Canadian media Chinese media covered at the time very well. It's only being covered. In retrospect well. We've had a little change in Canada Navy. What they've tried to do here. For over two hundred years they succeeded. We are closing the market for military grade assault weapons in Canada the Liberals following through on a campaign promise to crack down on Salt Style. Weapons fifteen hundred different models and variants of assault style. Firearms are on the chopping block effective. Immediately it is no longer permitted to buy sell transport import or use military grade assault weapons the ban covering a wide range of rifles with the aim of making Canada's safer saying that guns were designed for the battlefield not hunting or sports shooting and the move comes just weeks after gunmen killed twenty two people in Nova Scotia. The worst mass shooting in Canadian history gun proponents argued the killer did not have a license in the first place but the incident was enough to spur the government into action. These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. He's got his talking points. The changes are being made through regulation rather than legislation. They included to your amnesty period as the government figures out buyback system for current owners under the amnesty. The newly prohibited firearms can be transferred or transported within Canada. For specific reasons at owners must keep the gun securely stored until there's more information on the Compensation Program. Canada's public safety minister trying to ease of law abiding gun owners I want to assure hunters and farmers and target shooters in this country. That nothing that we are doing today or we'll do in. The future is intended to interfere with this lawful responsible and legal activity. I'm a little disappointed in Canada. It's only regulations is not a law. I mean come on pussies if you really mean a do it. This can get turned around. This regulation can be changed or expanded is also this assault style. You know these these rifles. These are rifles. We're talking about he no he he. He said he's saying a little differently. Saying military he said Military Grade Bora one point and then he said assault style at another point. So I don't know if it's assault style. Look I don't have the thing in front of me or military grade but but first of all let's make it clear. That assault style is just is just like a sports car. Yeah it doesn't mean it's a race car. You got a sports car race car exactly you. GotTa MIATA gun is styled industry. 'cause 'cause 'cause fashion applies to guns applies to everything else. Nobody wants one of those old. Cornball looking thirty six with the big wooden thing and horrible. It's just stupid looking gun. You want something that looks like meaning. Looks like a man's exactly like your car. You WanNA muscle car. Don't know anything about weaponry because they don't you know they use the teach in high school they'd have gun safety classes. They teach all stuff in high school. That kids need to know. No they keep you from that. Gender Studies Gender Studies instead of a gun safety. No Gun Safety Gender Studies. It's just like India to you end up with a situation where people don't know what the hell they're talking about. Yeah they don't But he's just he's just the premier if you WANNA talk gender they know they know every single version of that. They can't tell a military style assault rifle from an actual military weapon. But they can tell you how many genders there are. Is that your point? Yeah kind of the is the schools. The schools have been bringing it. 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He was national security wise about a month and he was entrapped and this has all come out now based upon him hiring a new lawyer. Sydney Powell was very famous. And she's kick ass and there was an really a just to cut to the short of it. Jim Komi sent some agents in to coerce. Michael Flynn in the White House in a in a really. It was That were interrogating him. And he wasn't really told that this was The type of interview that it was and they had even written down or someone had written down on notes that were either going to get him to admit to it or resign or get him fired and the reason for that. I have my thoughts about. We'll talk about after go through some of the clips but the smoking gun evidence that Sydney Powell is talking about now with this note. Is that the person who sent these agents including Peter Struck to Help FLYNN INCRIMINATE HIMSELF. For testify against himself. Plead guilty to something. He wasn't guilty of necessarily or at all was James Komi and that's witnessed in this smoking gun clip from things about a year and a half ago as he was bragging about it. You look at this White House now. It's hard to imagine to. Fbi agent sending up in this room. How did that happen? I sent them something we probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more organized. Investigation more organized administration in the George W Bush administration interesting flood. I hadn't even heard that a more organized investigation then. He says administration in more organized. Investigation more organized administration in the George W Bush administration for example or the Obama Administration. Both those administrations that was processed and so the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself. The interview a senior official. You would work through the White House. Counsel and there'd be discussions and approvals. And who would be there and I thought it's early enough. Let's just send a couple of guys over? So that's smug arrogance to bite him in the ASS. Here is Sydney Powell. This is all background. But it gives you a good overview two parter. She was on with the original money. Honey Maria Barreda Romo Sunday guilty plea is supposed to be knowing and voluntary. His was neither. We have evidence that we produced earlier. This week. That General Flynn's guilty plea was coerced. We found documents that indicate that from the COVINGTON law firm that they had a secret. Saad deal with Mr Van Greg. The prosecutor and I'm sure it's Mrs Ahmad to that was on the Special Counsel Operation. They threatened to indict. Michael G Flynn who had a four month old baby the general son. He didn't immediately agreed to plead guilty. So that is coercion. That's completely improper. And they also hid from him all the evidence that we've uncovered that shows. He's innocent that they made up the entire thing. Of course he knew that but he had no evidence of it in no way to prove it because the FBI agents had gone in ambush interviewed him did not record the interview. Of course. They didn't even tell him that they were interviewing him as a subject. They schemed and connived to keep him from knowing that he was the subject of the interview. They deliberately wanted to avoid that because they wanted to. Keep him relaxed and unguarded. Nothing about this case was done right. They violated every rule every protocol and then have long since the beginning of the investigation. The evidence that they knew he was innocent. The entire prosecution was false. It must be dismissed for the governments agreed misconduct and guilty plea withdrawn. The standard is supposed to be lenient before sentencing. It's really not that hard but It definitely should be withdrawn. So the part of this. That's interesting is that his original law firm had some secret side deal with the prosecutor a apparently to get Flynn to plead guilty to a crime. He didn't commit. But there's an interesting kicker in the second clip Sosa. Subsidy wait a second. What you're telling me is that General Flynn's first lawyer before you the Covington firm had a deal with prosecutors to make sure that he pled guilty now. I know that Covington is also Eric. Holder is a partner at that law firm. They did not on earth any of these documents. That you found you saying that they they Hit them specifically intentionally. Isn't that interesting? The former Attorney General Eric Holder's law firm cut a deal to basically destroy this. This is actionable I have. I have a theory about this and then I wanna hear your clips. So according to what we've heard and what the president has said and is now accepted knowledge when Press Obama met with incoming president elect trump. He said the two things you gotTa Watch out for is North Korea interesting that starts to spark up. Now with some weirdness North Korea because he's nuclear bombs and Michael. Flynn so this is not just the guys a Dick and I can say from firsthand experience. In General Intelligence People Hate Michael Flynn. My uncle told me personally uncle John he would not be caught in the same room as Michael Flynn and this is. I believe for a number of reasons one is he's military intelligence of CIA and FBI. I don't even think military have any business doing that at all but he also was not saying. This is what why Uncle Don doesn't like him but he also wasn't a going along with the isis trick. You can't You can trust Islamic terrorists to do your bidding. You can't just give them a whole bunch of guns and make him. Do stuff is not necessarily going to work so he went against rightfully so against all policy. Well he don't forget we have clips. But what if something else is going on? Let me get just went out of the way. So it's just a pad your argument a little bit of Michael. Flynn doing the interview. The as as because he was in Afghanistan Afghanistan had taken for awhile and he said there's no way this is a waste of money Member THOSE CLIPS. Yup and nobody ever came to the fore but he was talking about. This is a waste of money and we just should get out of there here because this is not this is bullshit and I think they'd have something to do it at this because these guys have schemes. You don't need a guy like disco. Is it really that necessary for President Obama to tell trump? Watch out for that guy because of that. I don't think so I don't think so. Let's take the simple case that we have seen The Obama Administration but certainly In this election run the Democrat Party. They project they project everything. But you said would you cook. We've looked at this. We've identified hundreds of times day project. So what if is it may be possible that the molar scheme was not to get rid of trump but to protect a Russian spy ring inside the US government at high level. And I think Peter Struck is possibly a double agent and Flynn knew it and he knew it and they had to get rid of Flynn and they really screwed the guy all the way down into the ground something going on it ties back into all. This is not just because of you know. People didn't agree with his policy. I think this has always been about some kind of deal with Russia. It makes nothing but sands because we know. Russia's not actually a threat but there was a lot of money to be made with Russia alive. How `bout well? I'm going to stick with the idea that something's going on along those lines but why does it have to be Russia? Obama administration was filled with Muslim Brotherhood. Folk or could be Chinese John. Cia Guy was is a Muslim who has converted in Saudi Arabia. There's plenty of evidence of that. He's never been asked directly by the media. Could it be something along those lines? Because could be flynn was involved with the Muslims. Were and he was with the Russians. He gave one speech Russia. I don't see it that much of a connection or could it even be worse than both these and be at China's China? That's what I'm really worried about. Because the Chinese taken over the media. They've done a lot of good work taken over education. Everything going on. I mean there's an unstoppable anything. They haven't had his this show. We will be the last ones to go but when we go we'll be rich and the wall way thing is because still you know we just obvious this is a spike ration- and the and the Europeans are just being hounded into buying this gear. Once you just have a direct phone and make sure that they're on the line every time you have a phone call. I mean this makes no sense to me. If the Chinese run the media is it yellow journalism. This is my is. This is my race area. Fired Racist Joke of the day. Thanks troll room. Someone in that role room is out of control. I'm just reading man. I'm just reading the prompt. All you're reading from Detroit near making mistakes. Let's go with okay. Not so trey. Goudy was on Fox News being interviewed about the flint store. And he's got some good stuff. I have four clips. I got zero one and two and then at the bottom you'll find under the name. Trey Goudy goes off on the US to separate clip okay. Let's play these clips. That would be done okay. zero zero. It is can I ask you why you decided to do zero instead of one? Yes I'll tell you I'll tell you exactly. Why should understand this age drinks? I'm doing clips. And they come. They come at me sometimes in backwards order. I say why this happened to be too. I know what you did. Yeah do you needed to put a clip in front? And you already had the label. The one in the two. I got you all right. Flynn on Fox agents from White House to interrogate National Security Adviser General. Michael Flynn telling him that. He didn't need a lawyer not to worry about that. They had written on Bill precept. Who was head of counterintelligence at the FBI wrote this on a piece of paper? What is our goal truth? Admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him and get him fired. Question-mark lawyers and former agents are coming to the defense of the bureau including the lawyer for Ukraine. Whistleblower saying this quote the F. B. I. Notes reveal consideration of routine law enforcement interview tactics and by no means to undercut General Flynn's prior admissions of lying to the FBI stop. I'm sorry adjust realize it? It's Ukraine and that's where all that's okay. I will continue but now I know not Russia Not China Abet Ukraine felony and accepting full responsibility for his actions to which Kim Strassel at the Wall Street Journal fired back as liberal commentators. Legal scholars saying that. All of this is routine will let sure as hell hope not the FBI exist to investigate. Crimes not create them that from Kim. Strassel out to journal here now. Trae Gowdy Fox's contributor and former chairman of the House Oversight Committee trae. Welcome good to have you here. What do you think was the notes were the notes and was the investigation of General? Michael Flynn at the White House routine for the FBI and for the agents who carried it out our hope not Martha if it is routine in. Why didn't they apply the same standard to Hillary Clinton that they did to Michael? Flynn if you go back so show flinch under investigation in the summer of two thousand sixteen a counterintelligence investigation the FBI found nothing. They didn't find an insufficient amount of evidence. They found no evidence. They're about to close this investigation. And then he has the conversation Kislyak so Komi decides to send bureau at the White House. Why mean that's the fundamental question where you investigating a crime? The Logan which there's never been a prosecution under that act or were you conducting a counterintelligence investigation if it's a criminal interview then why did you treat him so differently from the way you did? Hillary Clinton remember more. She had a medium size of law firm in the room with her. They gave the questions to her lawyers before they interviewed her. And they most assuredly toler there's a consequence for lying none of which they did for Michael Flynn whenever I these interviews annoy me because I can do all the comparison questions. Don't ask me why that didn't happen. Tell me why it happened with Flynn. Hopefully he does. I don't know that he did that. It implies it's just they were just after Flynn. They don't have the the what. You're thinking some something deeper. He doesn't have that manage kind of disappointed. Especially when you get the last play the next one beyond Flynn. They were hoping that if they pressed him hard enough and put him in a tough position and some of his earlier comments against twenty-seven there that trump. I'm sorry this may be the answer. This is why they were going after. Flynn a on the surface. This is what this particular question and answer answers your question okay. We'll play it again from the beginning beyond Flan. They were hoping that if they pressed him hard enough and put him in a tough enough position and some of his earlier comments against twenty said there that he would flip on president trump that he would give up some goods on the president. Do you agree. Well I do for this reason. There's also a notation in these documents released this week to use that defensive briefing as a pretense as Rousseau everyone. That's offered a defensive briefing by the FBI. Keep that in mind. They may be interviewing you remember. Komi did the same thing with trump. He gave this defensor briefing all the dossier but he was really interviewing him. They still thought. Donald trump was colluding with Russia. When they went to interview with Michael Flynn's. Oh I have every expectation. They wanted to flip. Flynn on the president. The problem was no one with the campaign was colluding with Russia. There wasn't flannel. Went and trump. It wasn't Papadopoulos. They were wrong about all. Four of their crossfire hurricane targets. This makes no sense. Why Would Obama say careful of Flynn? Stay away from him if they really wanted to get him to flip trump. That doesn't if you tell trump no he'll get them and then we can. I mean were they using him as an asset under knowingly unbeknownst to Flynn. I doubt that what happened. I don't know and I'm not convinced that Obama told born trump about flynn. I don't know there was any kind of coordinated efforts about anything like that. Well this is this story that story. Let's go on with listen to more of gouty. So how come when we heard from Robert Muller and the investigation two years and millions and millions of dollars was finished and we got the report. Where were these notes that we're seeing? Now they were not turned over. They have to be turned over. If you're going to trial there's there's a little bit of a debate about it but I think most people will tell you brady does not implicate guilty pleas so when Michael Flynn said. I'm going to plead. They didn't have to turn over the nose but more this is Nathi Department of. Let's see if we can get away with it and it's not the Department of. Let's see who we can get fired. It is the Department of Justice. Sally Yates who is hardly. A Republican was infuriated when she found out what Komiya done. So that's the Department of Justice. We don't care if you're or day we don't care whether we like your we're going to treat you the same. Muller's folks did not turn over these documents. Because they didn't think they had to given the importance of the job. The president thought they were better people for it and that Flynn wasn't up for the job of former senior. Obama administration official told CNN So there is of course. Hello I'm just telling you that. Even the New York Times is reporting it so same thing could be a lie. Could be interesting. I definitely don't trust those sources. You Go of course not. Now listen to this. This is the tray gouty goes off on the FBI and this to me. There's a little tidbit in here that I think we will both be amused by. In retrospect now I think the attorney general and US Attorney Durham or both very interested in how this whole sordid affair began so the four targets. Let's just go with Flynn? You'RE GONNA put a general under counterintelligence investigation by the world's Premier Law Enforcement Agency why what is the factual predicate where you think you have the power to put him under counterintelligence investigation for being an agent of Russia. What was it I mean? Did he read a checkoff novel. He Watch doctor Zhivago. Why did you put Michael? Flynn under counterintelligence investigation. I think that's what Durham on bar. None of these investigations were sufficiently actually predicated. And if that's true that you're gonNA see a clamping down on the power that we've given the FBI and it's about damn time we'll see prosecutions no ma'am. Nobody was talking to a federal prosecutor on the way over here but we have got to to not only associate accountability with prosecutions. I think I think being terrible. Fbi agent and treating people on fairly. Maybe it ought to be a crime but I don't think it is a crime the takeaway is the next time the FBI says. Hey we like to talk. Tell them no say what you clean up your act when you quit trying to get people fired and see what you can get away with. We'll start treating you like a dispassionate law enforcement agency but until then no thanks. We're done talking with you. Two things one. So much for the sealed indictments. Nobody's going to jail. No argument is correct. I'VE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT. And Yeah you can be a kind of a lousy agent and doing anything. And you're doesn't mean you're liable and the other thing is that this don't talk to the FBI. Meam weep I brought that into play probably six seven years ago. This is what Thomas Drake the NSA whistle blower right says at the beginning of a species. I was trying to find this clip of him saying it but he says the he says the most important thing he learned he was harassed. I have it here for. I think I have your clip alone. Thomas Drake FBI COMMENTS. Probably just take a quick listen after your experience. Would you advise someone else in your position to blow the whistle on government wrongdoing? Yes but make sure you understand what you're getting yourself into do not speak to the FBI. Make sure you have a lawyer right from the start. If my cases any example they'll do everything they can to take anything you say anything they find and use it to justify charges that in my case. We're actually framed. See I told the truth to the FBI agents. They didn't believe me. And in fact four. The ten felony counts for making false statements. One of them was for obstructing justice. You know why because the chief prosecutor said that unless I cooperate with the investigation they're going to pursue prosecution so the answer is yes we actually need more having spoken at Daniel Ellsberg. He actually thought in the early seventies with all the publicity that surround the Pentagon papers that more people would actually step forward and other than some close colleagues. I guess what hardly anybody else step forward regarding the travesty of February twenty eighteen. We played that clip. And not that long ago. But that's what makes a creamy except there's another clip of him where he's actually giving a speech where he says don't talk to the FBI or the idea of not talking to the FBI. You know includes winner. Flynn says that these guys are. They thought they were coming over to. But you know just Palo. Yeah just chat get a little. Yeah and so. He was naive and he. You know maybe should've opinion. Yeah naive that guy doesn't seem like someone who's naive in general but I guess possible. No he doesn't know he was tricked. That's yes what it sounds like to me. Well I do have a show clip if you WANNA well before before we do that I just want to check because we we have a bit of an issue now with our enter. Show I so. I really don't like Alex Jones show I so not this one at least now. I know you got out the ones. We're not really. Here's here's this is the full clip in context. And then I'll give you the end of the show is a possibility chance for us to share I think like producing child to death. And maybe it won't work. Did you hear what he said to know? Is that mumbles. Listen to this producing child to doubt now producing child doubt. He meant to say reducing childhood death but he says police. Elliott producer for that blunder interested in producing childhood death producing child. That's a clip. But it's not. I don't think Zenda show. We have the classic yes. The beaches are back open because the beaches are back open. Let's go with that and we'll finish with this clip. This is a This is a a a cases. The missed the missed. Classic Biden Clip. This is a clip. The fraud took place a couple of a few weeks back and we never picked it up and we never use it and I think it's a great clip of a of a gaffe. Par You at all concerned as trump said that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem. Worst no matter what I thought. We played that one. I don't remember I'm pretty sure we did. It was to see if we missed that one that we don't deserve to be podcasters. What I'm telling you today. And why the Hell do those mini bell? Peppers live inside the bell peppers so these are questions. We did not answer today. One grown incite. It's got to be some genetically modified just happens. Once in a while you say seeds sprouted inside decided was in the dark and it produce a little pebble. Okay I'll take that everybody. Thank you very much this deconstruction for today. No agenda episode one two three nine or twelve forty will be next on Thursday. Please remember us at the four X dot. Org Slash an incredibly important and if show mixes we got Fletcher we've got some Jesse Koi Nelson. We got pro V. We got Rookie and after the show on no agenda stream dot com the grumpy old Ben's company from Austin Texas capital the drone star state. I am an opportunity zone. Thirty three FEMA region number six governmental maps in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Korean from northern Silicon Valley where I hate to say it but I love this traffic. I'm John Seat Until Thursday. Everybody and such regardless of your color your creed or your job. I need you to know speaking of monitoring should I make you play sound clips on command directing you guys on from high to do my bidding mel personal sound monkeys aw. Media Jones fabrics of media. Just going to be here. I WANNA get right to the allegation made your member. Would you please go on the record with the American people? Did you sexually assault record? Never never happened. Why limit this only to read? Why not release any claims that it may have been made against Jews during your son career on prepared you that through the rest of my knowledge. Renault complaints against me. My Santa Current turns my office. Had these from Ryan Lucas an open book? There's nothing to hide the phrase rule of thumb. No Man has a right to chastise rod stock for complete transparency. Why not push for the release of any documents with Tara? Reid's name on them. Whether it's the University of Delaware or the National Archives first of all MUSKETS STREET THERE. There are no personnel talk. But you can't do that wouldn't for example. If you work Chris Mayer I worked for my my income tax returns. You add my whatever. Their their private documents are not for the they don't they. Don't get put out in the public so not part of the public record. That in fact. Is that any senator or vice president or president has been there documents. Hama Hama today. I am proud to endorse Joe Biden. Are you home as well? We're seeing solve American. Looked I'm GONNA you about the Joe Biden. I've seen working behind the scenes hammering out solutions for the American people. Joe has been a voice of reason and resilience. This is now. I don't believe hammering. That's not who we are where the hammer toe by has been with us every step of the way to destroy every last benefit protection for the American people. He knows how to get the job down as a woman talking in my ear of something that has nothing to do with what we're doing here and be governance. What's the big deal? Put people in cages and it's logical and it's rational helping create and save millions of jobs. Where's the hammer we will deliver bowl progress for the American people crazy? Sound coming in my ear. Prince stupid hammering. He never forgets his roots. Windmills caused cancer. The Cancer Moonshot Kim sucks cleaner forward-looking battle-tested leader. I was ready to prostitute myself. Who will fight for the people? Welcome Hillary it's great to have you saw Moepo dot org slash and a yes. 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Fear | Live in Nashville

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Fear | Live in Nashville

"Everyone who helps create the literature podcast loves it. But we love you more. We do this podcast because of you the community that has formed around this work, and one of the things that really frustrates us is how infrequently we get to see you because alliterative gathering is a big deal. It's hard to pull off both for us and for you. So we're trying something new a completely new series of events by the literatures called tabs and wafers. It's a tour and a one night show. It's not a weekend. So you don't have to worry about getting grandma to come and watch the kids overnight or anything like that. It's just a one night show. That'll let us go to more cities more often have lower ticket prices and get out of churches. Some of you. We know can't walk into the door of a church and. Tabs and wafers is going to be happening in theaters and venue halls like normal places that aren't church exclusive. So we're gonna start tabs in wafers in two cities boulder. Colorado and Portland, Oregon. That's going to be kind of our tests boulders going to be may tenth and Portland's going to be may eleventh. If those go really, well, you'll see us at a lot more dates and very likely come to a city near you. Now what is tabs and wafers while we're still building an out. But what it looks like now is me science, Mike and Michael Gungor exploring what reconstruction can look like, you know, this podcast has been about taking everything apart. But what does it look like when we start to put things back together? Like, how can we be open to spirituality without becoming closed off or dogmatic toward others. How can we embrace where we've been? Then without the ways we've been hurt dragging us down or what does spiritual community look like without organized religion. Those are just some of the the topics and questions we're going to explore a three hour format tickets for tabs and wafers in those first two markets, go on sale March six two thousand and nineteen to everyone and are available right now as presale to all of our patrons. If you'd like more information, simply visit the literatures Stott com slash events to learn all about tabs and wafers and win. It will be coming near you. Illiterates. Michael Gungor here. I'm science, Mike. I'm William Matthews nine Hillary McBride. Welcome to the just podcasts. Everybody. Real quick announcement up top about the Buddhists series. In case you were expecting this episode to be Buddhist park three. Apparently, the slice of our audience that is Buddhist or Buddhist curious is not very significant. The numbers. My right, Mike, I'll say the members were senior. So rather than just a boarding mission entirely. We're going to put up food is part three four the patriots or the six people that listen to this show that are interested in good ISM. You could head over to our patriotic page. We'll hear the finale honestly, the numbers on this park to made me afraid that the is podcast had reached it. And which interestingly enough is what this week's podcast is about fear and the way that in shapes our motions shapes. Our actions are beliefs or behaviors it's this constant undercurrent you experience, and we got together with a few hundred friends at the literature gathering in Nashville, Tennessee to explore what fear is and if there's a way that we can have a healthier relationship with it. Welcome to the podcast everybody. This is Jamie, Lee Finch. Reading from the book of sapiens. One of the most common uses of early. Stone tools was to crack open bones in order to get the marrow. Some researchers believe this was our original niche, just as woodpeckers specialize in extracting insects from the trunks of trees the first human specialized in extracting Mero from bones. Why merrill? Well, suppose you observe a pride of lions take down and devour a draft you wait patiently until they're done. But it's still not your turn. Because I the hyenas and jackals and don't you dare interfere with them. Scavenged the leftovers only, then would you and your band? Dare approached the carcass look cautiously left and right and dig into the edible tissue that remained. The word of ourselves. Thanks speed to you've all Harari. There is a reason you're wired for hope there is a reason you rebuild after unimaginable loss. There is a reason you wake up every single morning and try again, and again, and again, it's ancient it's biological. It's an inescapable inheritance. You are a human being, and we human beings have always apparently been hungry for the life that might still be living after everything else appears to be gone. It's the oldest thing we've ever done, you know, breaking open bones digging for what's left after death to find the meaning the meet the marrow still hidden within. I don't know what it was about us. What has always been? But something told us that surviving would come at the cost of cracking open the end and saying not yet. Even after every outer layer of life was stripped away for flesh from bone. We were sustained by still believing something was left for us. Right. Where we stopped. Taking anything else could be we are one in a long lineage of absurd tenacity, and this holy work of how we became human is how we remain adamant on enduring hunters gatherers forage or scavengers you won't tell us. It's finished. You won't tell us. We're done. We know better. We've tasted we've seen and we've survived on what's left on the other side of over so many times before because it's the oldest thing we've ever done, and we are breaking open the bones digging around for what's left after death, even still. This weekend. We celebrate the birth and death of two American revolutionaries, Shirley Chisholm and James Baldwin. Surely Anita Chisholm was born on November thirtieth nineteen twenty four. Choose an American politician educator, author in nineteen sixty eight she became the first black woman elected to the United States Congress. And she represented New York's twelfth congressional district for seven terms from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen Eighty-three her campaign slogan. Was this unbought an unbiased? In the words of modern, poet Weiji. She ban, she ban, sheep sheep band. In nineteen seventy-two, Shirley became the first black candidate for a major party's nomination for president of the United States. Shirley struggled to be regarded as a serious candidate. Instead, she was often viewed as symbolic political figure. She was ignored by much of the democratic political establishment and she received little support from her black male colleagues. She later said when I ran for congress when I ran for president, I met more discrimination as a woman than for being black men are men, or in modern speech trash. She expressed frustration about the black matriarch thing saying they think I'm trying to take power from them. The black man must step four. But that doesn't mean that black women must step back though, surely didn't win the presidential nomination. She didn't give over to feed. Her courage gave way for a plethora of women of color to walk in her footsteps inspiring women from all walks of life and for decades to come including Representative Barbara Lee, Representative Maxine Waters, and even the first woman to win a presidential nomination, Hillary Rodham Clint. James Arthur Baldwin. He died today December first nineteen eighty seven. He was an American novelist. Social critic y'all Baldwin was forced to be recommend. If you don't know you need to know. He was a playwright a Hollywood screenwriter and author civil rights proponent. He personally knew Martin Luther King. He do X lowering hands berry Medgar Evers a story too. Little told though about James Baldwin is that he met with attorney general Robert Kennedy at the time brother took JFK in may nineteen sixty three. Bobby asked Jimmy as they called them to organize. A quiet off the record unpublicized get together prominent Negros to discuss the state of rate race relations in the six as the meeting got underway. Bobby Kennedy begin to recount, how the Justice department have been cheaper supportive of the civil rights movement Jerome Smith suddenly begin to weep as if he just suffered some traumatic flashbacks he said senior guys referencing the Justice department. I've seen you guys stand around do nothing more than taking notes while we were being beaten. The move quickly became tense. Baldwin later accounted Drome set the tone of the medium because he's Sam when he's upset and he stammered when he talked to Bobby and said that he was nauseated by the necessity of being in that room. Baldwin continue annuity meant it was not personal Bobby took it personally Bobby turned away from him that was steak because he turned to us because we were the responsible mature representatives of the black community. Laurien hands said, you've got a great many, very very -ccomplish people in this room, Mr. Turney journal, but the only man who should be listened to right now is right over there. Canadians Rome begin to argue the group felt generally that Kennedy did not understand the depth of the problem of race relations at that time drum bared, his soul and all his pain. Very aggressively said let me tell you something in the midst of our oppression, you expect to find us giddily going off to war in Vietnam. That's your that's unjust. That's unfair so dishonorable. It should. Shame. You. I wouldn't pick up a gun to fight for this country. Dive I. Now, here's Kennedy messed up Bobby Kennedy said that his family immigrants from Ireland suffered discrimination upon arriving in America, but we're able to overcome their hardships to achieve political success. And and just maybe the US might have a black president in forty years. David Baldwin Jimmy ball. Brother observed that his family had been in the country for far longer than Kennedy's yet had barely been permitted to climb out of poverty when everyone left the meeting angered and frustrated that moment was a long-term turning point in Bobby Kennedy's attitude towards the black liberation struggle. His white fragility caused him to feel ambushed, and he actually ordered the surveillance of the black radicals as he's called him even going as far to calling James Baldwin pervert in the communist. Less than one month later, though, president John F Kennedy gave his landmark civil rights address. Bobby Kennedy was the only White House advisor to actively encourage his brother to give the speech in which the president publicly proposed legislation that would become the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Today's podcast is about fear. This word is the title of a popular book by presidential author. Bob Woodward in it. It's a direct quote taken from President Donald Trump in which he said on the campaign trail real power is I don't I don't wanna use the word fear. We must acknowledge that we live in an apocalyptic age where evil is showing us. It's hand. As we journey in these turbulent times. Let us take time to remember. And celebrate the lives of saints and rebels Shirley Chisholm and James Baldwin lived unapologetically. They are two in a lineage of many who spoke truth to political power and made a new way a new reality. A new understanding for humanity and for human dignity for generations to come. They didn't live to see Barack Obama become the first black president forty years later like Bobby predicted accurately, they did not live to see racism Radic eight it, but yet we are here. And they're Kurds calls out to us their blood along with toil, sweat, and tears of generations Longgang speaks about a word. We may not live to see the full dismantling of the stomach oppression. But we have in this moment and opportunity to deal heavy blow. So I ask you today. Let us all take up our cross. Let us reject fear and live lives of bravery and courage. So that we may become part of the line and that we may be worthy to stand. Among the great cloud of witnesses. We love you, Shirley, and James. It is no easy. Ask though to give up fear when we look at your brain. We will how it came to be. We understand that our best theory in our best ideas in the sciences say that like most features of biology brains are basically accident but worked well jellyfish were the first organisms in the history of this planet to have nerves and let them feel for the first time nothing ever felt before a jellyfish felt they had nerves and thanks to quirks of genetics over time. Those nerves started to cluster. In the first basic brains appeared and as eons unfolded a bribed at contemporary times, the approach evolution took to building brains was to just keep stacking new things on top of the old. And so it also shows us a priority list for your brain, those things deepest in the brain. And closest to the spine are the most important for your survival. So at the deepest parts of your brain. There's a little bits that deal with breathing which is important and your heartbeat which is important, but just beyond that essential on clay f- in throne of power in your brain is the middle a structure, which enables you to feel of fear and anger. The two most powerful human emotions, which happened to be twins now, fear and anger represent remarkable innovations in life, contrary to the ways that were often uncomfortable with anger and dread. Fear. You can be afraid because it kept life living when you could imagine through your senses that shape resembled a predator or physical hazard, you could feel a power for sin sation that predicted danger and caused you to respond in a very real way fear is a gift, but like all kipps sometimes they can be misused. And as we have reshaped the world and our image. This species is also created an environment. Where we deal with chronic and debilitating fear that doesn't actually represent an immediate threat to our physical survival. Because just past the magdala. Is the part of your brain. That is social and as social mammal belonging matters to you. And I've only recently discovered just how much belonging matters. How was sitting in a therapist office? And I hate therapy. That's not true. I love talking therapy. Or I talk about my thoughts about my feelings arrive at a conclusion in therapist tells me, I think you've made a lot of progress. What I don't like is there who interrupt my talking and ask me how I feel and then don't let me say it because they just want me to feel it. I was telling my therapist. How I'd gotten a call in the evening from Hillary McBride to check on me, and in the course of that call Hillary told me. That I mattered to her and that she valued our relationship, and my therapist said how does that make you feel and knowing I'm not allowed to answer. That question with words. I just sat and did nothing. Unlike what usually do, which is cry? Am I said go ahead and tell me what's happening? I said nothing. I never believe it when somebody says I matter to them it rolls right off my back. And he said, that's good. That's good. Really? He's like, no, it's good that you told me. Have you said what's behind that? And I said, I don't know. He said, let's just sit with the idea. He said I want you to pick her Hillary's face. And imagine that she likes you. And then tell me what happens in your body. And usually when someone says tell me what's happening your body. I turn to my body. And my body says let's go get a pizza. But in this instance, instead I felt a pressure in my chest and heat in my belly. And I didn't know what feeling to call that. So I said I feel pressure in my chest and heat in my belly. But I don't know what that means. And he said that means feelings are on the way. And so I sat and then a wave hit me of grief of shame and fear. I started to cry very art. And I knew I was about supposed to talk about it. But my delightful, storytelling prefrontal cortex would not be denied. And so I told my therapist. None of this makes any sense that I'm so sad that Hillary likes me. And as I'm crying, he said, don't worry. It makes sense. We'll talk about it later right now. Just feel the feelings. He's really getting to know me as a client. And as I I worked. Something remarkable happened. I'm in truly remarkable. I remember childhood. I don't remember my childhood hardly at all. If I tried to go past about ninth grade. There's just a deep grey fog. But so clear who. I remember my kindergarten classroom. I remembered the layout where the chairs were the art board was where the door was that led us to recess and wear those tiny cute little toilets were. And in that classroom. I remembered the face of my teacher at with concern as she watched all of my peers. Make fun of me so much that she couldn't teach the lesson time. But I was fat little kid. And so to try to continue the lesson. She came to me by the hand at led me away from all the other students and sat me in the time out chair. At told the rest of the class, but they were in time. It's a most as I sat by myself in kindergarten. Hello. My thoughts in my imagination. So I told that story to my therapist said, I don't have. Idea. What that memory of kindergarten has to do with Hillary. And he told me that based on what I told him that was probably not a unique story from my childhood. Every time. It was a child I reached out to friends to make friends I received rejection, and that my brain has stored that as trauma that trauma was so intense and so hot that my brain did its best to protect me from it by hiding it from where. A very real way. That little kindergarten child sits in the deepest part of my skull and watch out for bullies. So I'm forty year old man. Who never techs or calls, friends or family? Not my co hosts on this podcast. Not my wife. Might children. Not my parents. Because it safest if I said time out by myself with my imagination. Fear leaves a Mark in the brain. Fear route steep down. And even when we don't know it's their shapes. Our every action an hour every decision, and because we live in a culture of self sufficiency and false humility, we're told that talking about these very uncomfortable. Feelings and experiences, not okay. And not generally with words, the first time you open up invulnerability to your friends and family and community. They will probably be receptive. If reserved the second time, your feelings will awake their own feelings, and they will withdraw and an attempt to preserve themselves and their body language and their facial expressions. But the only way out of fear is relationship. I have the good fortune and the immense privilege. Of a constellation of dear friends who refused to let me sit in time out. Who like my poor and frustrated kindergarten teacher will come and take me by the hand. But instead of carrying me to a place alone. It makes me sit at a table for bread and wine and talked to people. And they tell me, Mike. No, you don't believe me. But you're never occurred. And and I'm happy every time you call. And I know that you can't hear that. And you probably won't start calling me. But I care about you. So here's what I want you to know friends if fear has left its car deep in the structure of your brain. It's okay. It's actually quite beautiful that fear kept you alive. But when others reach out. And try to reach across it. Take it from me. The risk of accepting outright reached hand. Can lead to something like the liturgies. In the last however, many years, it's been. No person has pursued relationship with me as for racially as an introverted artist. Known as Michael Gungor slash fish new to us. And that. Is what inspires me? To reach out my hand. All of. Mike. Thank you. I think about the times of my life where most afraid. I used to be so used to be so frayed as a kid and looking back. If there were kind of about funny things to me now like I was super afraid about the Mark of the beast. I thought for sure it was going to happen any day. And I was going to get my head chopped off or. Something. I remember. Oh, yeah. I remember like some bible verse about like the sun or the moon would turn to blood or something anytime, I look into the sky. And if it was like a. If it was weird colored at all like, a really brilliant sunset rather than feeling wonder amazement. I'd be like is this hit? This is the end the military. I was terrified keep me up at night. I remember I was afraid of war for some reason. I thought that I would be called as a soldier house a child what I? What? A martyr. I was afraid of being a martyr some somebody. I'd seen a movie one time where a witch whipped some kids feet. I don't know what movie it was anytime. I had my feet out of the end of the bed, which is gonna wit my feet. Rational weird things paralyzing, and it's kind of funny now, but it wasn't then. And I think about how fear has translated as it got more sophisticated. As I got older, and I can see a common thread that thread is an unwillingness or at least an inability to live in the here. And now. And instead to get caught up into imaginary future potential that doesn't exist. And I think of that most clearly I was trying to think the other day we're talking because I'm not afraid these days of anything. I was trying to think when is what's the most potent adult fear that I had and then of Mike reminded me of your dad, and I was like, oh, yeah. He's seen me. He's he's seen some stories through the years, especially the birth of Lucy. My youngest daughter. I thought about sharing the story, but I actually have a little passage in my upcoming book called this that if you don't mind I would like to read it because I'll say it better in the book. This is a chapter called light. She has physical characteristics consistent with down syndrome, the nurses voice trembled as if she were handing a death sentence. Had I known then what I know. Now, I could have smiled at the melodrama of someone 'Delivering. The news of our newborn daughters who sets twenty-first chromosome with the emotional timbre one might use to deliver news of an imminent species leading asteroid collision with earth. If I had known, then how much joy, my Lulu would bring to our lives. If I had known how precious every moment of life is regardless of the number of chromosomes built its tissue with if I had known that nurses, dire sounding pronouncement simply a limited description of one aspect of the Nick and marvelous attributes of our new little Princess, I could've responded to the nurse by saying something like that's fantastic news. Thank you. We are. So lucky? But I didn't say that. I didn't say anything at all. The most I could do at that time was to not helplessly tears flowing down. My cheeks as we received the news of my daughter's diagnosis in that hospital room. I was not okay with this that had suddenly and unexpectedly presented itself the bottom of the world dropped out. And I was in a free fall. Couldn't believe what I was hearing couldn't really be happening. Not to us. You weren't responsible enough to handle something like this. Lisa, and I were flighty bohemian musicians who had a hard enough time keeping our lawn and first born alive. Trying to affectively parent one child in our chaotic world of airports buses, vans and grimy phallic adorned green rooms was already a stretch for us. And I was already worried about trying to add a second kid into our mess. A second kid with special needs. I knew I couldn't do that already at my limit. So as I took in the news of loose sets down syndrome. I watched entire world of that crumble before my eyes. I looked at my wife. Lisa. She looked stronger than I felt of course, I figured as much. Unlike myself, Lisa's first thoughts in life or not always about her own needs. Inconvenience Lisa isn't a person who tends to think so much so quickly of her own needs. As I do. I could see that. She looked sad after the nurse delivered. The news of our new baby having down syndrome, but I'm pretty sure it was mostly because she was worried about the health of the baby I was mostly worried about myself. And then the soul crushing thought entered my mind is this my fault. My heart sank further into despair. I searched my memory recall the night around the time the baby had been conceived that I had taken a couple of Colorado gummy bears. Did I do this time became a blur people coming and going talk of surgery all I wanted to do is Google can marijuana consumption cause down syndrome, pregnancies? I venture got the opportunity to leave the room. I pulled out my phone. No. There was no correlation between marijuana usage and higher rates of down syndrome, pregnancies. Thank the gods. Still. I couldn't shake the feeling that. This was all somehow my fall, my world was collapsing hospital walls were closing around me, you know, suffocating escaped outside to get some fresh air and walked around the block for a while. The thoughts were relentless why is this happening? What our options here? I don't want a baby with special needs. I didn't sign up for this. I can't handle this. We can't handle this. I called my sister Lysa who's a Christian. She told me that God knit this baby together in her mother's womb. And that it's going to be okay. Why hadn't found the need to cling to eight theism in the couple years since the spa my atheism at gradually morphed into more of an evolved version of my earlier mysticism and the couple years that had passed since my experience at the spa, I still didn't believe in any sort of divine being that knits babies together in wombs though. Eventually I walked my collapsing. Self back into the flame engulfed world of the hospital room. I was told the baby needed to heart surgeries one of which would have to happen immediately. They would go in through her back and somehow fix part of this tiny fragile baby's heart. Maybe that'll be the end of it. I thought immediately hated myself for it. Lisa was crying. She's terrified the surgery wouldn't work. I was terrified that it would. It was wrong with me. I felt so ashamed. I looked at Lisa the warrior Queen who had now survived to human beings growing in and then coming out of her own body, like aliens movie, she was scared, but strong seeing her made me wonder, if maybe it was going to somehow be okay, something in me knew that we're going to end up loving this baby girl, just as much as I. But I was so afraid the freight. She would die Fred she wouldn't and that I would afraid that this would ruin our marriage our family career. I was a man who had dreams I had a vision for my future all these thoughts and feelings about my life was supposed to look like. And certainly none of them resembled anything like this. Where had those thoughts. Come from was our yet, unnamed hours old baby girl who whisked away and still off being poked and prodded by the doctors, really any intrinsically less valuable than any other life almond shaped eyes or still is aren't they? Crooked. Pinky fingers are still pinky fingers. Hell my pinky fingers crooked too. I walked over to Lisa look, deeply into those brilliant blue eyes, I fell in love with when I first saw them fifteen years before never would have imagined being in this moment with that girl, but the cute gray skirt in the magical, blue eyes. Now, those eyes were full of tears. So we're my both of us were absolutely terrified. I wanted her to know that I saw when I was with her. I couldn't do this. But maybe maybe we could. I didn't know who or what God may be put in that moment at that hospital. Bad could once again feel how whatever the creative force behind within it all the nits babies together in wounds was present. This baby was still the baby just baby our baby gently laid my hands on his belly. Those old words that saw my memorized as a kid again to flow out of my mouth, the sort of prayer for this new baby girl bars. For you created her in most. Unit. Hurt other mothers. Crazy because she's fearfully wonderfully made. Afterwards, we held each other. Cry. We cried for the pain of it all for the beauty of it all in that moment, something in our hearts opened. And we begin to let go into that timeless. Inconceivable ineffable, this that knits together galaxies and spinning blue planets and mother's wombs and almond is today that chunky four your old with a crooked pinkies is one of my favorite human beings on earth. And that's not only because she's my daughter lose favorite songs. Happy birthday. She loves it. She sings it all day off in the morning. She's waking up with her low, groggy, sleep voice. To do. I think she likes the song so much not because of its compositional structure earlier depth. But because she associates with parties. Lou loves to party, come to our living room, turn off all the lights except for the dance light that was our families. Best purchase decision of all time. Crank up the right music and look around for the shirtless. Torquing toddler holding a sandwich in one hand and a packet of applesauce pronounced saw Lou language in the other. That'll be Lou human being more full of life. Love passion and presence. And almost anyone. I know her life is not a burden for anyone. It's a gift our society teaches such harmful myths about how life is supposed to look the top of the societal ladder, straight, white male gender and able bodied baby girl with down syndrome. Sorry, that's way down the ladder. Though, I never would have thought that I bought into those sorts of societal lies my emotional roller coaster in the hospital had proved to me otherwise. Stories we tell the reality we experience from my limited frame of reference in all the myths of twenty-first-century American life. I could only see condition threatened by personal pursuit of happiness. My experience of the world was limited to the small destructive stories from which I was viewing Lou set and everything and everyone else from. Living in these false stories about what the world should be rather than resting in. The love wonder the world already had imprisoned me in a world of fear. Shame luc- helped me to see the light that has always right here and right now. And that's what her name means light. It was feminism that helped me feel again, I I felt anger. How could we buy into these stories about our bodies about power feeling anger was the beginning of my freedom? The beginning of my healing from an eating disorder where I had been in and out of treatment for over a decade trying desperately to make my body disappear and go away. But it was the neuro physiology of the traumatic stress response that made me believe in the goodness of my body again. Understanding the science of fear made me fall in love with how our bodies work. I'll tell you. I I was on highway seventeen. The highway quite near where I grew up chair in the front seat. Reclined back dozing on the long drive home, and my heart started to pound through my chest. Felt like heat fire and tightness all at the same time seemingly out of nowhere. I was in the throes of an experience of intense panic. I just been axing mapping while it was being chauffeured, and I popped my head up and looked outside the car window and saw that I was the exact same point on an overpass where three years previously. I had been pulled out of my car by team of firemen in an accident that involved seventeen cars where I was one of the only people who survived. My body was keeping me alive in my fear response because my body was telling the memory the story of something that had taken dangerously close to death. So as my body remembered the path that the car took that night, and how far into the destination. I was my body said this is a lot like that time you almost died. So we're going to start freaking out. Now just in case the law like the last time. I used to hate my body for all the things that it told me, and it was in that moment an in many moments like that when I realized my fear was good. It was part of me staying alive. And my body was telling the story of everything that I'd been through up into that point. Fears emotion. And unlike the socio cultural narrative that we have around feelings emotions actually live in the body. Emotions move energy in motion through our cells and our muscles and our circuitry activating different systems in our brain hypothermic Petur Terry adrenal access anyone's interested in googling later. To omit this cascade of neuro chemicals to activate our body. So fear is a motion in our body. But a lot of times we've got trouble with emotion because it means feeling something and a lot of times we haven't been shown had actually feel. So when feeling comes up, we do the thing that we were taught to do we try to make it go away. And then we start to hate the thing that's trying to tell us something that we need to know to keep us alive. We can become afraid of fear because no one ever showed us what to do with it when emerges, and no one ever showed us can be a beautiful thing that keeps us alive. Our brains are wired for connection and for survival as Mike has talked about so frequently that means that the parts of our brain that hold fear are deeper imbedded in our brain wiring and makeup. They actually are more central. You could even say to being human than our thought life fear has this capacity to protect us. Then from the things that we have been hurt by or the things that we could be hurt by. It's a very very important part of each of you being in the room here. It might even been the thing that stopped you from walking out into traffic that one time because you heard some part of you heard a car coming and activated the fierce or coutry which told you to step back onto the curb so fear as an emotion is not bad. In fact, it is fairy very very good. What I want to say, though, is that we learn what to be afraid of. So fear isn't bad. But some times we become afraid of things that aren't actually gonna hurt us like someone who is other or a situation that is unknown. There's a phrase in psychotherapy that we use. It says tell me what your frayed of. And I'll tell you. What's happened to you? Because our fierce so often points us directly to the places that we have been hurt or to the things that we've been told are dangerous for us. But sometimes we don't know if the fear that we feel is something that is dangerous for us or actually something that is just uncomfortable because we can learn to become afraid of the unknown. If at some point on the other side of knowing there was something that scared us, or if we were never supported in walking into places of unknown, and we had to do it all on our own. Did you know that? Having a particular kind of attachment style can mediate if a person moves into curiosity or fear, depending on what they've been through in their relational history. When there is novelty that people can move into curiosity, not necessarily fear, but we have to have been shown how to stay open to things that were unknown to us. So our attachment history. What we've been walked through the things that we've been told and shown about emotions predisposes us to being terrified. If there's something that's confusing or unknown or being curious. And whenever I think about that. I often ask myself what would happen? If all the things that I'm afraid of that made me wanna pull away from something or someone actually created a sense of openness and curiosity. Well, what happened if when there is that person who felt scary or that situation or that opportunity that created fear and arouse fear in my body. What if what if I saw that as an opportunity and an invitation to growth. Fear is something like every other part of being human that is bio, psychosocial, and spiritual. It involves the whole person. And we could talk about the physiology fear, and how it impacts our thoughts, and how it impacts the way that we move away from certain people in certain circumstances. Because because fear has this ability to make us want to withdraw to protect ourselves, but fear also impacts our spirituality fears a tactic that can be used to stop us from having curiosity. Fear is a strategy that stock SaaS from understanding the responsibility, but is required of us. When we see ourselves and the other fear keeps things status quo. And so when we experience fear, I it's great to say, thank you body for telling me that we're in a situation that might have been hurtful in the past or might not have known how to get through. But body is that fear because I'm uncomfortable because I've actually unsafe. And there is a difference between fear when we are Indus comfort and fear when we are in danger. We're at a time in history or something very unique in happening where we can consciously choose participate in our Lucien as a species where we can choose willingly to move ourselves. And each other forward by how we respond to the information that emerges in us. According to the environments that we're in. So there's an opportunity an invitation here when you feel fear to join in this next phase of pollution of our species. But instead of becoming afraid of the things that we no longer fear need to fear, but we would choose to be curious. And you don't have to do that alone. The research from the field of interpersonal neurobiology and affect of neuroscience says that when we have someone with us who undoes the aloneness that it's easier for us to choose curiosity. So isn't it interesting that choosing curiosity might connect us to each other? And that connection might make it easier to choose curiosity. Connection is kind of the opposite of fear. And it's also one of the things that we need to help us heal. It. There are three things that we know that we can do to help us manage fear. We can learn strategies around emotional regulation. So that when fear comes up, we know how to say, okay. What am I going to do with this? Maybe now is a great time to take a breath. And here's a great place to remind you that courage doesn't mean the absence of fear. It means moving forward with fear present you don't have to get rid of fear to be courageous. So doing a motion regulation and noticing. What is it? That's coming up for me. And how do I respond to it? The second thing this relates to what Vishnu saying learning how to be present and training our minds. There's some really fascinating research in two thousand twelve that came out about people who done an eight week course and meditation where one hour week they were in a class that was half practice half teaching and the rest of the week. They did twenty minutes of mindfulness practice day. And after those eight weeks there was a noticeable difference in the size and the thickness of their Migdal. And they weren't even meditating while the brain scans were happening. They were just chilling out. But their brain had actually adapted to have less of a fear response. Again, a make Delilah as Mike was talking about is also responsible for anger. So there's a double pay off there. What's fascinating about that research is that when people did compassion, mindfulness and compassion meditation versus more of just kind of like a tuning into the body that the compassion mindfulness after eight weeks actually showed subtle activation in the right amid Delilah in response to other people's pain that people actually became more responsive to other people's pain at hurt us more. That in slowing down in tuning in that it can actually connect us to each other. There's that word again the connection piece. The third thing is that if fear tells us about what's already happened to us, then sometimes if we're trying to move through fear. That's no longer helpful for us. We need to go back to look at the places where the hurts started. We need to tell a new story about what happens when we're feeling overwhelmed, and we need to learn how to create corrective experiences when we're in fear. We're gonna try a little bit of that later. That's just a little teaser, but we will do something together at the end of this Todd cast to hopefully begin to shift your story in your experience around fear. Thank you. His question since we are wired for connection and getting kicked out of the tribe equals death. Do you believe it's ever possible that the intense fear of rejection, not belonging can diminish or even go away? Depends on if you have spaces where you can feel safe and accepted. And how much time you spend in those spaces, and how much of the connection you allow in and how much of that supports you to be buffered against the rejection and other places, and we call this in tach -ment theory, the secure base. Do we have a place to go back to that builds us up that reminds us of our true worth? And if we don't then that rejection eradicates our sense of self and the integrity of our identity, but when we have a place to go back to no matter how small or how frequently and we can actually drink in the care of others than it can actually mediate the distress. We feel in spaces where we are rejected. Our fuel very much centered and have always found my place in books and even history having a sense of history and for me black history. So important to me because it speaks of the lineage and legacy that I come from. But it's also the place of support when I feel de centered in the world. It becomes the place that I go to refuge. So even sharing the stories about Shirley Chisholm and James Baldwin. They mean so much to me personally because here is strength that I don't have in this moment. But it's being it's there in history. It's there in these pages. It's there in the lives in the testimonies of people who've gone before me, and so for me when I feel I felt lost a my deconstruction felt like where do I lean where do I go? What's true? What's not true? I instantly was able to fall back into the lives of the mystics and the saints and the rebels and the the prophets becau-, and that became a source of strength for me to know that I can make make it in this moment because they made it in their moment. And regardless of whether you subscribe to a religious tradition or not I think that we can find ourselves in the stories of others, and they can give strength for today. I have experienced a lot of rejection from the tribe. Of course, it could be worse. But I'll tell you. I'm a hell of a lot less afraid of it that I used to be you said Kenneth diminish just telling you from my personal experience. Absolutely. I think your question was wise and saying it's really deeply programmed, and it's not going to be easy if ever feeling like the people that you love don't love you back or that you're being pushed out of a tribe, but I've been pushed out enough and then live to see another day enough to know being pushed out of this doesn't actually equal death. There's there's another day and in meditating and spritual practice finding community this will sound super Wu, and and just call me Bishnu for this one, but finding community with everything with trees and the sun. The sun and the moon, and and not feeling like my tribe is literally just the people that I done FAI with with societally or with my beliefs, or whatever it might my tribe is everything when I look into the stars. That's I belong, and I feel that I deeply feel that in my body now. So that that kind of stuff. I think my body's learning to let go to some of that more and more that deepen. But yes, I think it can decrease. As I was saying earlier, the thing that you're afraid of has already happened to you. And so when we're afraid of vulnerability, it's likely because at some point we were shamed out of ability or it went wrong in some way. We were more at risk and more hurt when we let ourselves be seen and our nervous system hold onto that. And does a very good job of trying to not let that happen again. And so you can actually pretty easily. I mean, easy behaviorally speaking not necessarily easily emotionally, but find corrective experiences like a therapist because the whole point of therapy is that I don't eat anything back from you. So I'm just going to hold the space and help you practice being the kind of person that feels scary to be outside. And we call that the developmental crucible that if I hold you hold space for you to practice being who you've always been underneath all of the defenses. Then you can start practicing that enough that it becomes a new way of being and you can take that into the outside of therapy space and look for corrective experiences when you are vulnerable just a little bit. And it goes, right? Make sure that you take that in Rick. Chanson neuroscientist has done some really fascinating research on how when we save her positive experiences that our brain in codes them. And when we save savor them long enough, like thirty seconds, more or more that our brain goes. Oh, oh that really happened. Oh, maybe that can happen again in a way that it doesn't if we just note something and then move on or don't even reflect on it at all. So when you see or experience exceptions when you are vulnerable and goes, well when you have an urge to be vulnerable, and you take a little risk savoring. The good things that happen can be an important part of transforming your neuro chemistry and making it easier to reach out the next time. Who's trying to make me be vulnerable site. I'll be vulnerable. This is the first time in my life that I've lived alone. So I'm coming face to face with aloneness in a way that I've never had to before I've always had roommates and always been in situations that I call even like religious situations that felt like a dull summer camp, right? We're all just like weirdly co dependent with each other. And but it's like community, we're family, and this is try been this is you know, whatever I feel blessed because I'm able to I found on Craigslist a one bedroom bungalow in the Hollywood hills for good price. And I was able I'm able to live there. And it's one of the most beautiful places I've ever lived yet. I still wrestling with this deep sense of aloneness in it. Where I can literally feel like I'm on top of a mountain 'cause I literally am on top of mountain and still feel alone. And because I got to sit there and make dinner for myself alone. Like, the weight of everything the weight of all the decisions I've ever made my life, the weight of the feelings that I've been just moving beyond just can then start to sit on you. And that feels hard especially in your mid thirties to actually now realize this is the first time, I've actually really been alone. And once again to quote James Baldwin today is the anniversary of his death. He says this and this is like I'm doing I don't think I'm doing successfully. But I'm doing it. He says not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed unless it has faced. So I sit here facing my aloneness in my mid thirties and trying to feel okay about it. I forgot the most important part. Repeat rupee car says when you are lonely as you crying out for connection with yourself. And so when you're alone, you're not alone. There is relation -ality attachment within yourself structure that allows you to connect to something and practice ability. Even if nobody is there, you can have an if this is the place where it starts. This is the place where it starts. You can have a loving and tuned connection with yourself. Instead of going out there. Sometimes the lonely feeling is the cry for us to go in and explore and experience something that has been hurting an aching for attention. So invite you to find supportive seated form, whatever that means for you. You know, what you need to do in this moment when you're listening to your body and just notice that even as your adjusting in this moment, you're paying attention to your body. You're having a conversation you're noticing. Oh, this feels good that doesn't feel good. Oh, I want to stay here. And this is your first act of tune -ment to yourself to to shift your body in space. We're going to do a choose your own adventure with this. Because some of the things that I suggest might be really activating they might stir up fear. And so if this feels like something, you're not interested in going deep into now is a great time to stay with your breath to let my voice fade into the background too. Make your grocery list in your head. You're welcome to keep your eyes open or closed, whatever feels most supportive for you. If you find any point while we're doing this that there's too much fear. You can open your eyes and orients notice who's around you feel your body in this moment in space and time, and then you can go back in if you need to or not. I want you to picture your younger self. You might have an image that comes to mind immediately. Are you could picture a younger south who's in fear of something? Or maybe a story of fear that no longer works for you. See how they look. How are they holding them south in space? Notice you are reaction in your body. Is you do this? What kind of feelings emerge on the inside as you consider this younger version of you? And you don't have to think too hard about this next step doesn't have to make sense for what we're doing. But I invite you to imagine that you show up as you are today without younger south that you are immediately with them. And you might wanna introduce yourself and say, I'm you, but all grown up. And notice if you're younger south needs anything from you. And if you can just just give it to them. And if you're younger selfish afraid, there's an invitation to say to them, I am so sorry that you are carrying so much fear. And and I'm here now. You're not alone anymore. And notice if they need something from you, a hug an embrace. To see you look deeply into their eyes. But you may imagine telling them with your words, or in a way, that's kind of unspoken. I'm with you forever. Now, you will never ever be alone. Again. Because I am you, and you are me, and I'm sorry took me so long to come back to get you. But you never have to face fear alone ever again. And maybe you want to give them a new story. Like next time. We feel fear. Let's try this. You can reach out to me or reach out to someone else. You can name it. You can learn to feel it. You can ask for help. Or maybe you want to tell your your younger self something that you heard today as we were talking something that they need to know. And you can tell them that. Sometimes when they're afraid it will be because they're in danger. And sometimes when they're afraid it will be because something is new. And that you want to help them be curious in spaces of the unknown. Notice if there's anything else, you wanna tell this younger version of you. And again, in a way that doesn't have to make sense intellectually if you're able to I'd ask you to invite that younger version of you, and that whole scene to come into the present almost as if your younger self is here with you in this room right now. And maybe you want to show them. What happened today in? What's around you as proof to say? Luckily, made it through we're okay, you're here with me. We got here. You're okay. And you never have to fear alone. Because from this moment on you will always be with me. No in this moment from place deep in your body in your belly that they are you an you are them. And you may want to imagine hugging them or comforting them in some way. And it may feel kind of strange, but it may also make sense. If you want to ask them to become part of you. To merge into your being. And that way, you can promise to them. They will never face anything scary alone ever again without you also being there with them. And next time, you feel fear. There's an invitation to imagine what we just did. To think of this younger part in you crying out for some comfort and touch reassurance. And that in response to the fear. You can go in word to say to yourself. I'm here with you. You're not alone anymore. We can do it together. And there's an invitation if it's available to you to place one of your hands on your chest or on your belly. Or if there's somewhere else in your body that feels like it would be really good to touch connect with neck or shoulders or hip. And in this moment with your hand on your chest. Feeling yourself with yourself as a kind of in the moment. Sign of you're not alone. Us. Now does how your hand rises and falls as you breathe. And if you can widen your attention, while still stay in present with yourself to notice that you are in a room of people who are doing the exact same thing. That you can be with yourself and not alone in many ways. You're welcome to come back to the room at any point. Or if it works for you at the end of three more breaths. We hope you found this episode inciteful, and helpful as you consider the role. Fear plays in your life and relationships we'd love to hear about your experiences and reflections that arise from listening. 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