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The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"robert horry" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"You know they're gonna bring it defensively, spoelstra is one of the best coaches in the league. Never underestimate Jimmy Butler and you're right. Like bam, bam just keeps getting better too. So I'm there. What about in the west? And the west I think is just on board town too. I think Phoenix is going to be back there. I know everybody that we haven't talked about things. You know, they had a really bad hiccup, you know, they're always certain teams that beat you and think about the way darkest did them. He just beat them. And I think the best team. And in Memphis, we not talking about men because I seen what they had Memphis ranked like four or 5. You know, Memphis is a really, really good team. And everybody's gonna say, well, what about going to state? I just didn't go to state, was in the perfect position. They matched it well with the teams, and they didn't have to face, which is a young dumb team. That's why they were able to beat them. So I think Memphis has grown and they're smart enough. So I think it's going to be Memphis and Phoenix. And nobody's going to look at me like I'm crazy, but John morant is not being talked about MVP, so he's going to be pissed if he can stay healthy, that team is going to be good because think about it. They got some dogs over there that we don't talk about. There's two teams in the west that you did not mention. The nuggets who everybody say they clippers, man. But you know better than that. That's what I was slippers. I was leading right there. This clearly your Laker bias against the clippers you could not possibly give them credit. 'cause they're one of those early favorites too because of Kawhi coming back. They got amazing tips that got John wall now. I mean, they definitely should be in that mix somehow. They probably were in it with the best record of basketball because they have the deepest bench, you know, I don't know if you don't know if this doesn't look as Zion's body. We talk about ways I look now, but we ain't talking about how quiet it looks just like science body. So, you know what I mean? They've been off season in the lab working. So I just, you know, I just can't root for the clippers, man. Just be such a beautiful nation. Even though even though they will probably have the best breaking basketball, I just can't root for them. I totally get it. Also, by the way, on purely a basketball basis, they've had a few pratfalls in the postseason with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. So it is one of those things where I think a lot of us are expecting or just looking at them saying like, you got to show me first. I'm not giving you that out the gate because we've seen you guys fall short too many times. But the talent is definitely there. You know, I'm really interested in watching the world this year because I think BI is one of the best players in this game. I want to see how zaya goes to work. So that's going to be a really interesting team to watch also. I agree. I agree. I just did big feature story cover story on Zion for our NBA preview issue at Sports Illustrated. I think that team's got all the potential in the world. I think Willie Greene is a really good young head coach. That they're going to be a lot of fun to watch.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Fresh update on "robert horry" discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"All right, Howard Beck is here. He's officially joined the ringer. He's working for the Swedes. You've, we've been parallel universes and we've, and it's just kind of never worked out. And now it's finally happening and you're with us and we couldn't be happier to have you. I couldn't be happier. Great to be here. Great to see you. Great to join you. I said it the other day on Twitter. I'm just freaking psyched, jacked. I can't even come up with enough adjectives. This is great. Ready to jump in. Love the Swedes. I learned what Fika is this week. I'm really excited about Fika. Well, you're going to do a lot of stuff for us. But one of the things is when the season starts hopping on the real ones on Monday with Logan and Raja, which you did last year. And I thought it was one of the most entertaining podcasts I heard all year. So I'm excited for that. All the other stuff you're going to pop on all different pods. We'll see, as always, it always evolves here. But one of the things you're jumping in right before this season, Austin and I talked about a little bit on Tuesday, this season that just, it just has all become about this guy's unhappy. This guy might go here. What's going to happen with this guy? And you've been covering this league for a long time. Do you ever remember it being like this dark heading into a season? That's a good way of putting it. No, Bill, I don't. Like we've gotten used to, almost too used to frankly, over the last five, 10 years that superstar discontent is now just an ongoing theme of the NBA. If it's not Anthony Davis forcing his way to the Lakers, it's Kyrie forcing his way from Cleveland to Boston and then from Brooklyn to Phoenix a couple of years later. It's Harden forcing his way from Houston to Brooklyn to Philly to now who knows where. It's fine, right? We have gotten accustomed since the decision, capital D, in 2010 to the idea that stars have the authority, the leverage and are empowered, as we use that term all the time, to dictate their careers. And that's fine. And I think most people have gotten used to that. We don't have the backlash and the vitriol accompanying that that we did 13 years ago. But free agency is not the same thing as forced trades. And this is where I think like the league has let this kind of get away from them. I don't know if let is the right word. I don't, Bill, I don't know if there's anything the league can really do about it, but it's not good and it's not slowing down. The number of forced trades over the last five to 10 years outstrips anything. The league always fell back on this, well, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar back in the day, okay, cool, yeah, he was the only guy. And then maybe there was another one 10 years later. This, to your point, is an annual occurrence now. And we're going into a season where two of the greatest players of the last 15 years, or certainly the last 10, are both awaiting trades that they have demanded, that they've demanded to only one destination. And are facing down teams that don't want to do it because neither of them feel like they're going to get fair value back. And so, yeah, we're going to go into media days with just nothing but this saga hanging over, not just those two teams, but kind of the whole league. What do you wish we were talking about on media day? If we were the czars of media day, we're like, let's talk about positive stuff. Like for me, it's Jokic, it's can Tatum get over the hump with the Celtics and become like the guy in the Eastern Conference. It's can Miami get over the hump, this great run they've had. With the Warriors, Chris Paul's going to be in the Warriors. That's going to be kind of bizarre. Like there is fun stuff, but it just feels like we're heading right toward Giannis, they're on the clock. Harden, where's he going to end up? Like this Philly situation. I have a bunch of Sixers fans in my life. None of them who I wanted to talk to about this on this podcast. Nice balance, we're detached. If you're a Philly fan, this is like a catastrophe. Like, what are you looking forward to this season? You have unhappy James Harden, the Embiid trade is looming. I guess you're talking to yourself and maybe Nick Norris, but can you remember a weirder situation for a team that was really good last year? Well, how about this? If they do trade Harden and they trade him for, let's say that they can't get fair value, it will be the second time in the last less than a year that a viable contender, the first one being Brooklyn, essentially, I don't want to say voluntarily blew itself up, but blew itself up before it ever got a chance to even see if it could win. I didn't believe in the Nets last season as a contender, Bill, but like there was the outline of a contender. They were on a really hot streak before Kyrie forced his way out. And who knows what might've happened if they'd stayed together. So listen, you alluded to it earlier. I'm going into my, I can't believe this 27th season covering this league is the first time in my memory, you're a historian of this league. I think it was the first time in history that I'm aware of that a viable contender blew itself up in the middle of a season. Not it's off season, retool, tear down, whatever, middle of the season, you have the tools, you have the players, you have the talent to go a long way, maybe even win a championship and you blew it up. And now the Sixers are in that position now, not of their own doing really, although I guess we could argue the details of what we believe may or may not have happened between Daryl Morey and James Harden and all this. But yeah, to have the reigning MVP, Joelle Embiid, and one of the greatest scorers of the last 10 years, one of the greatest players of the last 10 years and James Harden, and a really great young player in Tyrese Maxey and some good role players, and to not be able to feel good about going into training camp, if you're a Sixers fan, that blows. Well, especially with how the East is kind of more wide open than ever this year, right? You would think Philly, if they were just happy, would be one of the people, I think, that would get picked. Yeah, look, if the James Harden situation had never happened, he's just under contract and happy for once. When was the last time James Harden was happy? There's a question. James Harden- Wait, hold on, 2018? Like, 2017? Maybe the minute before Chris Paul pulled his hammy. Well, can you define happiness? Like, three months of happiness? Because I'm sure he was happy for a week in certain times. Yeah, sure. He was happy going to the clubs when he was forcing his way out of Houston. That's true, that was a fun time. It was a fun time for James Harden. Maybe not so much for the Rockets or their fans or anybody else. It was good for him. Not only did they forgive him, they wanted him to come back. That was weird. I mean, didn't they? I'm starting to feel like that's kind of an open- Although, to your point, a lot of Rockets fans, when the rumors were about, hey, Harden might go back, a lot of Rockets fans were weirdly, in my view, weirdly celebratory about that. I don't get it. They're very defensive about Harden, the Rockets fans. I think they really love the Harden era. I think they think he gets a bad rap and I think they want him to come back. But now they have this great team. They're a great, young collection of talent, at least. That's at least something. They don't need James Harden. No, it would have been a weird callback and just a weird move to make for a young team that is trying to start something new and to bring in a bald, dominant, older, aging star who is going to take up a lot of oxygen. It never made any sense to me. No way. For him or for them. Why does he want to leave? And still, I could ask the same question now with the Rockets' door having closed months ago. Why do you want to leave the reigning MVP? Seriously, James Harden's at the stage of his career, Bill, where for a lot of guys, look, you're a Celtics team, right? Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett. Oh, they got to get the exact right time. They'd gotten all their individual accolades and they were ready in their early 30s to just be all about doing the one thing that none of them had done, and that's win a championship. James Harden, at the age he's at, this is the moment where you go, I'm okay sacrificing a little, whether that's money, whether that's touches, whether it's stats. And I want to tie myself to somebody who can help get me to the place I've never been. That's what we kind of expect as media and fans of the superstars. And Harden's like, no, I'm good. I'm out of here. And I know if he goes to the Clippers, sure, he's joining Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and Russ, but I don't think that's a more likely path to the title than staying in Philly with Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey. So what are you doing, James Harden? Also, if you're the Clippers, why are you doing that? You want like another unreliable person? I don't- You already have one of the most unreliable teams possible. You're going to add James Harden to that? I mean, I guess you do it if you're free. The Brooklyn point you made was interesting because I agree with you. We haven't seen that before. Our team just like, fuck it, we're blowing this up. On the other hand, the two trades they made were pretty great. You know, that KD trade to get bridges and all the picks, and then Cam Johnson is kind of a bonus, but they ended up having to pay him. But just the bridges plus all the first round picks they got for a guy who's hitting his mid 30s and didn't want to be there. I thought that's about as well as you're going to do, especially watching bridges and Team USA and stuff. Like he's a foundational piece. I don't think he'd be the best part in a title team, but he could be the second best part maybe. For sure. And if you're the Nets and you now are armed with Mikel Bridges, Cam Johnson, a young Nick Claxton, and some other interesting pieces, Dorian Finney-Smith types and this boatload of picks from the Suns, plus you've still got some other, what I think they do is still the Dallas pick and maybe a six-year pick or a swap or whatever. They've got enough. Like they're one of those teams you got to keep an eye on. Like I'm not a big believer and we'll get to them beat. I'm sure. I'm not a big believer that we should start the Joel Embiid trade machine yet. I mean, it's natural. It's obvious. We can't not talk about that speculatively, but I also think it's like maybe one year too soon on it, but they're going to be near the head of the line. All these picks and then the Suns picks are going to be really attractive. Remember once upon a time, it was the Nets picks that went to Boston in the Pierce Garnett deal that were looked at as gold because everybody was sure the Nets were going to fall off a cliff and those picks were unprotected and they would be worth a boatload. That's what the Nets now have from the Suns because everyone's expecting within the next couple of years Durant will wear down, maybe retire. The Suns will fall off a cliff. No one expects Beale to stay healthy. And so they're in a position between the picks they have and a lot of their ancillary players that are interesting. I don't know what it's going to take to get a Joel Embiid done or God forbid a Giannis trade. Again, I think we're a little early on it, although Giannis is the one who stoked these fires. I love this, by the way, it always becomes this, why is the media speculating about all these guys? And we just spent 15 minutes on it. But this is why we didn't start the fire speech. Apologies to Billy Joel. We didn't start this bill. The players have been the ones, first all the superstars leaving in free agency, starting with LeBron in 2010 and it opened the flood gates. It started this whole era. And then that has now advanced to forced trades. First it was forced trades with a year left, the Anthony Davis example, or the Paul George one when he was in Indiana. Now it's forced trades with multiple years left. Now it's forced trades five minutes after you opted in, James Harden, or five minutes after you signed or a year after you signed the extension, Damian Lillard. Like we didn't start the fire. The players created this and all we can do is react and now anticipate because that's part of what we do in the media is like, well, in an era where guys become discontent and have the leverage and the ability to force their way out, why shouldn't we be attentive to that and have our radar up? Because by the way, the whole league does too. This is the other one. I'm not just trying to get us off the hook with the fans and listeners right now. But look, the whole league acts this way. The whole league, if you are the teams that don't have Giannis or Embiid, you are plotting to get Giannis and Embiid if there's any way possible. So we're more reactive to this than I think a lot of readers want to believe. I see people getting cranky about this on Twitter all the time, but like we're not creating this atmosphere. We might talk about it too much. Maybe we are right now. There's nothing else to do right now. It's September 21st. Like, you know, we're waiting for media days. Well, one of that, I honestly, I hate talking about it, but it's hard to talk about this upcoming season when there are all these variables in play with like some of the best teams, you know? Like Miami went to the finals last year. Their team's worse. They kind of have to get Dame lowered. You don't know if he's getting traded there. Like this week, there was a story about a mystery team in the East and people spent the whole week trying to figure out who's the mystery team. Is it Toronto? Is it Chicago? Oh, if it was Chicago, what would they give up? And doing that whole thing. We don't know who it is. But if it's not Miami, then that opens up all of these questions. Well, what's Miami going to be this year? They're just going to have Jimmy and Bam and Kyle Lowry and Xpiring and Hero coming back after they tried to trade them all summer and they've lost their depth. What are they going to look like? And then you look at, like if Dame went to Toronto, well, what does Toronto with Dame? What would Toronto have to give back? So it's almost like the season can't start until that piece gets figured out. And then the Giannis-Bucks thing is just real. I mean, he's one of the best players of the last 25 years. And this happens sometimes where sometimes you go on the clock. Were you covering Kobe in the mid 2000s when you got mad at them? No, I was already in New York at the Times by then, but I covered it from a distance. Like I did cover the Kobe meltdown where he was basically like, get me out of here. He demanded the trade. Back then, boys and girls, teams said, no, we're not going to trade. Now they had a lot of discussions, right? There was the, oh, he was almost a bull. He was almost a piston. He was almost all these things. But yeah, that got ugly for a little bit, but to their credit, they held firm. And then they traded for Pau Gasol six months later, whatever it was, and won a couple more championships. Well, that's part of the problem with this Dame trade. And people have been writing about this and talking about this week, so it's not an original thought. But if you know other things are coming, do you want to go all in on Dame trade? Like if you're the mystery team, or if you're like the Nets and you're like, oh, they got to get rid of them and they don't like the Miami offer, we have a chance to get a team. But these other guys might be sitting in the back and it's just, the league is so weird now. The turnover is crazy. And I'm lucky enough, I have Tatum and now with Jalen Brown and these two guys that we've watched kind of grow up and we get to keep them. And those guys almost feel like more of an anomaly, an anomaly than what we grew up with, right? Jokic is like this endeavor. They get Jokic and Murray and they get them for a long time. Maybe Dallas will have that with Luca, but Golden State has that with Curry. I personally like that more. I wonder what the league thinks. Like if you put, if you poured truth serum down Adam Silver's throat or put a few drinks in him, what would he say? Because on the one hand, everyone's talking about this all the time and they're talking about it during the off season when nobody cares about basketball. On the other hand, I don't think any of us think this is good for basketball. So what do you think he would say? You know him. You've now put the image in my head. I'm trying to think of like Adam like slumped at the bar, like drunk on like shots of Jagerbeister or something. Adam, wake up, I got a question. Adam, how are you going to fix superstar trade demands? Yeah, there's a part of me, Bill, that what I understand about Adam is this much. And we've seen a lot of this in various ways over the last 10 years. He certainly is a guy who loves the idea of a 12 month league. He and the league have leaned into every aspect of that, whether it's the Vegas Summer League, exploding into a thing that didn't used to be a thing. Free agency, trade demands, all of this discussion about transactions and all this, it keeps the league in the ether, in the discussion all the time. I think Adam loves that on some level. I think the league office loves that. But is there a tipping point in this whole discussion? I kind of think there, instinctively, I think there is. You and I came up at a different time, right? Where if you're a fan, you're a fan of the team, and you might be a fan of the best players on that team, but if that player crapped on your team, wanted out, left, went somewhere, okay, they're a traitor now. They're done, I'm done with them, right? Or you were heartbroken when they were gone. And we're in an era now where our younger friends, they say they root for players, not teams. I'm not sure that that's an absolute, I don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but we're in an era where people seem to be like, if you're a Dame fan, maybe you're happy for him no matter where he goes. It's like being a Beyonce fan or something. It's like, I follow Dame, wherever he's going to put out his albums. I mean, in his case, he actually puts out real albums too. But yeah, I know what he means. But to me though, the whole mystique of sports about fandom, about rooting, right? Seinfeld said you root for laundry. What if the laundry doesn't matter anymore? At that time, the joke was, oh, you root for laundry. And as long as that guy's wearing the laundry that matches your city, your team, you root for the guy. But now it's not even that, the laundry is irrelevant. You're rooting for the player in the Jersey period. I do think there's a limit to it. I do think what's happening in the last 10 years is somewhat destabilizing to the league. And I do think at some point, this is a hard thing to prove, Bill, but I think at some point there's a reckoning where there might be more of a backlash where fans say, you know what? I'm tired of these, it's not through free agency. Everybody understands free agency, but maybe fans at some point are gonna say, I'm tired of a James Harden or a Bradley Beal, a Kevin Durant, a Kyra Irving, a Chris Paul twice, on and on and on forcing their way out. And if you're a fan of the team that that guy was with, if you liked that player, it's excruciating every time. And especially if you're a fan of a small market team that has a really hard time ever getting those guys again. Like if Giannis decides to leave Milwaukee, whether by free agency or forced trade, whatever it may be, they're not getting into the Giannis for a very long time. And look, they got their championship and a lot of fans might just say, you know what? It's cool, like you got us to the promised land and we wish you well, but I just don't think it's great for the league overall. I do think it's destabilizing and I do think it's, like the fans are the one constituency we never talk about. Oh, good for the players that they have fully empowered themselves to take control of their careers. We can all get behind that. You know, the league is fine. The league's still making a boatload of money. They're gonna sign a new TV rights deal sometime in the near future, broadcast rights deal. They're fine. Everybody's fine. The only people who maybe aren't fine, I feel like are the fans and that's the constituency that nobody really takes into account. It's funny that the people in my life who love soccer and basketball, and they're used to this from the soccer, the movement, and just the way people bounce around. And I don't think they notice it as much. Sometimes I wonder if we're the old guys that are just like, ah, this isn't what I grew up with. And maybe this is what this might be what the league is. Like I'm in a fantasy league with fantasy football league. I think we have 11 other teams, right? So it's a 12 team league. At the end of the year, 11 of us are super unhappy and we paid ourselves for being in this league, right? And then you're like, the one guy who wins, you send him some texts, he wins some money. And it's like, okay, cool, I won. You're supposed to be unhappy in the NBA. There's 30 teams, 29 of them are going to be unhappy at the end of this season. Like this isn't going to go right year after year. And I think what's changed is the reasons people seem to become unhappy to me, like sometimes they don't add up. Like you said before, what is James Harden unhappy about? Because he didn't make the All-Star team? Like you're on a good team. You're playing with one of the best players in the league. You've been in different situations. And he's like, well, Philly wasn't honest with me. Well, you opted into the contract. If you wanted to go, why didn't you opt out? Well, because I would have made less money. Well, maybe that should tell you something. And you go on down the line, I just, I wish there was a way, and I've said this before, I wish there was a way to reward the players that stay in a situation for a long time, that the team and the player could benefit from that. So Curry's in Golden State for, what was he, oh nine, so this would be his 15th year. Maybe there's some tax advantage to that. And maybe his contract only counts 75% on their tax instead of 100, or there's some sort of advantage that would make him want to stay, because I want to win titles. The longer I'm here, the better it is for my team, and that makes me want to stay here more. But I just don't know if they'll ever do stuff like that. Wait, what if you were at a Steph Curry-type level, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, and you hit a certain threshold? You have to be a superstar already by whatever definition. And if you hit a certain threshold, you get equity. In the team? Yeah, that would be interesting. Oh, you get like a third of a point or something like that, or 15 years in a team? Yeah, why not? Right now, the only reward for staying put is you get the no trade clause, right? You accrue a lot of money, but you can get that anywhere, and Bird-Rite's don't even really matter. I like that one. Do you feel like the league is desperate at all with, do you feel like, do you sniff an air of desperation with some of these moves, like the way they're trying to get this Vegas thing going, which by the way, both of us will be in Vegas, and it's gonna be really fun. But do you feel like they're kind of grabbing for straws here to try to make this a 12-month league, like you said? I think they've already achieved it in terms of the conversation. But the backside of that that got neglected that they're now trying to suddenly fix on the fly is that the regular season keeps feeling like it matters less and less. And so now we've got, like Adam Silver, I feel like is the only person in the entire NBA community who seriously wanted the in-season tournament. There may be some others, but he's fought for it, fought for it, fought for it, and he finally has it. Why? Because they want to make the regular season matter more. Crack down on player rest, load management, they're trying to make the regular season matter more. Good luck cracking down on that. Yeah, I don't know if either of these things are gonna work, Bill. And you know, like I hope they do for the league's sake. Like I want to see the league be healthy. I'd like to be proven wrong about the in-season tournament that I remain very skeptical of, but I'm just not sure any of this stuff is gonna work. And if it doesn't, well, then what? So on the one hand, you've made yourself a 12-month a year league by leaning into player movement and transactions and rumors and all of that and gambling. And so people are talking about the league all the time. They're engaging with the league on a whole bunch of other levels that they never used to. And it's a 12-month league, great. What about the months that you're actually playing? And especially the months that are November through March before the playoffs arrive. That seems to me to be a problem for them. And I wonder how, like I heard your pod a couple of weeks back discussing the TV rights deal. What if it's not the double to triple of the old deal that they're expecting? What if all of this instability, I don't know anything about this stuff, but what if all the instability in the broadcast world, the RSNs, the unbundling, all of it, what if it does create a problem for the league in terms of the value of the next rights deal? It's still gonna go up, right? There's still, they'll be making money. The question is, with all the changing habits, are people watching enough? And when does that finally come back to bite them? What do you think the ideal length of the regular season is? I'm not a big cut the regular season guy. Like I do, I agree with anybody who, like it's impossible not to agree with this, right? Even though we grew up on the 82 game season, it's been there for our entire lives and long before we were watching the league. It's hard to imagine the league any other way. And it's hard to imagine how we'll discuss, it's already hard enough to compare eras. What happens if you now have an era where, oh, those guys only played 54 games and they played 82 for 50 years. That part's weird, but it's impossible to argue against for quality of product reasons, health reasons, longevity of player reasons, all of that. It's hard to argue anything other than it should be shorter. And they're never gonna get there. And just to be clear to people, it's not just, oh, well the owners will never agree to it because they'll have to like sacrifice money. No, it's a 50-50 split more or less. The players would sacrifice it too and they don't wanna cut it either. So the players are not exactly like, oh, we should cut to 66 games. I think that 66, we had the lockout season that was 66. That was like, that was kind of fun. It had a lot more momentum. Just lopping off 16 games actually did something for just the urgency. It's hard to get the urgency, right? That's the thing the NFL has. You have the urgency because of the shorter schedule overall. I just don't know how the NBA ever gets there. Yeah, my ideal I think would be like 70, 72 range. I think you can cut 10 pretty easily. And I think that would solve some of these issues. And I think it would make the product better. They're gonna make so much money from this next TV deal that at some point you gotta make decisions based on what's the best for basketball, not what the money decision is. We're gonna have guys making 70, $75 million a year. Like at some point you gotta care about the quality too. Yeah, this idea that both the owners and the players would lose a lot by cutting the number of games. Well, one, there's the scarcity argument, right? Well, you can charge more per game, whether via TV rights or via tickets to the game. So there's that argument to counter it. I don't know the economics of it, but that sounds plausible. And there's also just the fact that to your point, if the next broadcast rights deal is going to double or triple potentially the old one, all right, you're gaining enough that you could afford to maybe lose a little at the other, like these things might balance out and you're still- And maybe you do expansion. Maybe you add two expansion teams and that gets you another 10 billion bucks that you could split among everybody. I just, I find it hard to believe, watching from afar, which is year after year, they're trying to figure out all these ways to get these guys to play more. And nobody's just looking at the obvious issue, which is there's too many games. Lessen the number of games and make it so that it's harder to skip games because it could really impact you if you're trying to make the playoffs. The one hitch though, Bill, is this. And I believe this, I've heard other people say it and I buy this. All right, at 82 games, now guys are only averaging like whatever, 67, 70 or whatever, because they're rest, load management, whatever. If you cut it to 66 or to your 72, how do we know they're still not going to blow off eight to 10 games? Like they're going to, whatever the schedule is, the guys who want to rest or, and I should make this point, the teams that seriously believe in load management are still going to say, well, we think you will be better in May if we rest you these two games here in February. So I don't know that fewer games will actually produce a higher attendance rate among players. We'd like to believe it would, but I'm not certain of it. And so, like, cause think of it this way too. One of the other things that's been a hallmark of Adam Silver's tenure is they have made the schedule much more efficient and player friendly, right? They took out a ton of back-to-backs. Those are way down. You don't have four games in five nights anymore. All-Star used to be, All-Star break used to be like four or five days and now it's an entire week. They've done a lot to try to make it more player friendly and health friendly. And we still have guys only playing 67 games. So I don't, I just don't know what the answer is there, or if there is one. All right. I'm leaving a lot of meat on the bone cause we have a whole season. There's lots of stuff for us to talk about. But before you go, give us your greatest Kobe story. Just give us your number one. Your best one. Number one? Your best one. Your go-to Kobe story. Cause you, how many years did you cover him? Seven years as a beat writer in LA. And then, you know, obviously covered him from afar for a while. But you were day to day with him for seven solid years. Seven solid years. Yeah. Best Kobe story. Oh man. Come on, one's gotta jump to mind. I use this one only because I think people have too often missed the part of Kobe that was empathetic, personable. He put on the Mamba mask for so long that people didn't understand that there was actually like a pretty thoughtful guy behind it who wasn't always looking like a maniac on the court and cursing people out and cursing out his own teammates and all this stuff. And having, you know, it'd be championship at the cost of everything else. Early in his career, it's like my second season on the beat. Might've been my first season. They're practicing every day at LA Southwest College in, you know, so-so part of LA. They didn't have their own practice facility. Back then, like teams didn't all have their own practice facilities. And the Lakers were not among the first, by the way. So we're going to this community college and you go and you're parking a lot and you walk in. There's like 20 doors leading out of this gym. On every side, there are double doors. Players could leave to avoid us anytime they wanted to. And we'd be in there. Del Harris would, you know, let us in with a good 40 minutes left. And we actually got to watch practice back then. Del was great to us. But then inevitably after the practice breaks up, you're going to get like, you know, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, whoever. If you're not careful, if you're not watching yourself, Shaq or Kobe or somebody you really needed might be sneaking out behind you because there were all these different doors. Some went to the training room, there were weight room. Some just went straight out to the parking lot. So it was easy to miss guys, to lose them. And so the story I love to tell, because this is one of the nicer Kobe stories I can tell, was just sitting there talking to, I think it was like Robert Horry. My back just turned to the main way out. And I just hear this, hey, Howie. I turn around, it was, do you need me today? And I turn around and it was Kobe, like checking in before he left. Like, do you need me today? Like, what, huh? No, no, I guess we're good. Like, it's fine, go ahead. Like, we'll get you tomorrow. But he was really thoughtful. And I know like people immediately go to this cynical view of like, ah, he's just trying to butter you guys up, whatever. This was a pretty young Kobe. He was like 1920 at the time of this particular story. And I think at that time, he was just looking for connection. Because if you've read a lot of the stuff about Kobe from back then, you know that he had a really tough time being so young on a team full of veterans and a team that really revolved around Shaq, not just as a player, but as a persona. Shaq was larger than life, always the life of the party and guys gravitated to him. And Kobe couldn't manufacture that. And it was a little bit more to himself back then anyway. It was, I don't know, maybe not quite a wallflower, but at times, wallflower-ish. And so, you know, I'm 10 years older than him, but even among the beat writers, I think I was maybe among the ones who were closer in age to him. And so, yeah, he just liked to talk. He just liked to just shoot the shit back then, back when we could just shoot the shit with guys, because you didn't have to worry about Twitter or anything or anybody else hearing it and running off and saying, oh, Kobe just said, you could just have human conversations and get to know each other a little bit. Actually, that reminds me of another one. Do you want me to go one more? Yeah, one more. They used to still practice sometimes at the forum on off days. When I first started covering them, they were still at the forum. You know, that arena and winning time that y'all have seen for the younger listeners, that existed. And I walked in one day, and we could just kind of plop down. They also weren't real officious about like who sat on the seat, unless I could just like plop down in the locker next to Kobe to say, hey man, what's up, how's it going? And there's, golf is on, like the Masters or something is on. And he says, how, man, do you golf? I'm like, no. And this is back when Tiger Woods is at his peak and NBA players were just starting to think really become like big into golf. And I said, no, no, not really my thing. What about you do, golf? And he goes, nah, I could never play anything that I couldn't master or something like that. I never said that I couldn't perfect or something like that. And I'm like, and you could perfect basketball? And he was like, absolutely, man, absolutely. Kobe loved the word absolutely. There was a lot of things that were absolutely, which is fitting. Like he was kind of an absolutist about basketball, about himself, about winning. And it was like, holy moly. And that was one of those conversations again, just a quick footnote to that. That was one where recorder's not rolling. My tape recorder's not on. My little old micro cassette recorder. My recorder's not on. My notepad's not out. We are just two people just talking. And so I didn't jot it down. I'm telling you this from memory, but like a couple of years later, they're in the finals against the Pacers. This is their first finals. Kobe has that incredible game four. That's the one Shaq fouls out. Kobe comes through in overtime. And it's his Jordan moment. This is the moment where everybody said, oh, wow, that kid that we thought is a little Jordan-esque, he just had his moment. Like this cinches it. He really is worth all the hype. He can live up to it. And so now we got to write an off day story. And I think it might've been on whether it was a travel day or they had multiple off days. And so there's no availability. So you're writing, what else do you got? What's still in the notebook? And the first time I ever told that story about the golf remark was the day after game four or the day after the day after game four, when I had to write something off of just what's left in your notes. And it was this fun little insight that I could save and use later, which I feel like in today's media environment is really hard to do. When do you think that ended? Like late 2000s? When do you think it officially shifted? Just the dynamics of how we covered. Just being around dudes in a way that wasn't scheduled.
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"Whole, everybody's situation and he said, what's best for the individual and what's best for the team. And for me, if I'm ham, I would really, really explore this because the connection through the head with those other two and that team and what the energy and effort that rust provide up the bench. I totally see all that rob and it makes sense to me also just frankly got a glut of guards between rust and pep Beverly and Kendrick nunn and Schroeder Austin Reeves and besides that LeBron James is basically the point guard of every team he's ever run anyway. So it's a lot of guys who kind of want the ball in their hands and you got to figure out the timing here and the minutes distribution all that stuff. It's interesting though. So all right, you were a high level role player, let's say throughout your career starter or bench or whatever else. And yes, as you say, you were always going to be in there in the fourth quarter. I would say easier on some level for you to take a step back and say, play off the bench, then Russ at this stage, a guy who's been an MVP or, you know, when Paul Pierce was aging out, right? And the Celtics traded him to the nets. Now he's a roll guy, then he goes to Washington. I can't remember if he started there and eventually Doc brings him off the bench. I think in LA when he's with the Clippers, I think Vince Carter and the transition he made. Some guys can make at that level. The all stars make the transition gracefully and some are like, you just never let go, right? Like I don't know. Yeah. And I'm hoping Russ doesn't be an obviously, it becomes in that because he's still a good player. You know, he still on the cusp would be still being a great player. He still able to do things that 90% of league can't do. You know, and I think, and he can't have that mindset on the start. Your basketball player. Yeah, period. Listen, I've said it since he got there because the rush trade to me was problematic. I'm not sure he's the best fit. I still think there's a strong possibility to end up trading him at some point during the season. I don't know. Your thoughts on that aspect of it. But if you're gonna maximize his abilities while he's there, it does make sense to me to not have him overlap as much with LeBron because Russ is incredibly dangerous still with the ball in his hands and it's hard for him to play off the ball and you don't want to take the ball out of LeBron's hands. You know, you know, it's funny, you and I think of like, I love Russ as a player, but when you think of a team as a pie and I just didn't think that piece of the pot fit, you love Russ as a player because Russ is a guy who's balled down, you know, then you look over at LeBron's ball diamond. So, you know, you love the fact that you have a third star, but it doesn't fit. You know, everybody said, well, everybody has three stars, you know, in Miami. Yeah, but D wade could play off the ball. You know, speaking of God.
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"Of your moments of villainy in the NBA. The hip check to Steve Nash and the towel with age. I think those are the two highlights, low lights, right? I don't know if there was any other moments where you had to deal with being the villain. I guess other than being a spur coming back having to play against the Lakers, but that was the Lakers choice, not yours. So, but cheer me, so I was happy about that. Yeah, as they should, as they should. Okay, so what's it like being the villain and how long does that follow you and how tough is that? 'cause you think of yourself like, oh, I'm a good guy. I'm like, yeah, I threw a towel at the coach, but as you've said many times, you didn't like Danny ainge when he was a player, much less as your coach. And the hip checked to Nash. I don't know, I don't know what that was about. But I mean, it's not you weren't trying to be the villain in those moments. These are things that happened in a heat of a game in a snap second, but you have to deal now with people thinking of you in a certain way and draymond, of course, has been dealing with that. Most of his career. So I'm just curious about the psychology of like, okay, this is how I'm going to be viewed and what people are going to say about me for a while. But you know for me that just a plastic Phoenix thinks doesn't like me. You know, because Steve actually with the Phoenix Suns, Danny age, the finisher. So as long as localized. Everybody in the world. You're just not welcome in the state of Arizona. And Phoenix. And the thing about it is, you know, you welcome that. When you go to Phoenix, they boo. I could care less. You know, you know, you booing me or you're born to Lakers or you're born to spurs. I could give too far about it. You know? And the thing about being a villain, when you hit as many as big shots is me, you're gonna be a villain in other places. But those are respect villains. And when you respect the villain, you don't really care. But I think about Kobe and New York, you think about ice tray in New York. Their villains there, MJ, but it's respective and they believe because they know you gave them numbers and it's sort of respecting in my case and things that booya because they just flat out think you did the organization wrong. And the hip check on Steve Nash was it was, you know how coaches sometimes take text? And because they don't get calls, that was me showing the rest.
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"I don't know how to define sucker punch anymore. I always thought sucker punch was kind of like you're coming up on somebody from behind or that's like completely unexpected. Like you've just shoved or he's just shoved pool has shoved draymond. So there is, you're already getting physical. Is it a sucker punch in that context? Well, yes, because draymond, I mean, pooh wasn't trying to defend himself. You know, how many times have draymond been pushed like that in a game, but even worse, but didn't throw a punch. And this is someone from another team, not your teammate. So that's why I falls into the sucker punch round because this is your teammate. And watch, there's so many times you go back and look at his people have pushed draymond. He did think more egregious and he doesn't do anything. But this is your teammate. So that's why it's a sucker part. Okay. All right, I'll buy that. I just the definitions there are a little hazy to me. So the definition should be different for you for that guy that guy so, you know, that's my definition because I've seen him get pushed, you know? Yeah. So in the wake of this, and I think it was before the video leaked, Steve Kerr, you know, kind of downplayed it just by saying, look, I've been in the NBA around the NBA for a long time as a player and coach. I've seen more than 20 fist fights of some sort. But it sounds like and look, I mean, Steve himself got punched by Michael Jordan in what I understand was a fairly similar way. So certainly his baseline comparison point might be different than anybody else's rate and everybody's got their own experience, but you're saying it's 16 years seen anything like it. So that's pretty serious. I mean, we rarely even see that NBA games anymore, much less between teammates. But you know what's weird about sardine? When you're winning, you usually don't have issues with people want to punch each other because everybody's happy. And that's the odd part about that. They were coming up with championship. And so for you to punch someone, now think about it. I threw a towel at an age face. We sucked in at the sun. We in practice every day about the fight and the sun because they didn't practice our. They didn't know the way to path to championship because they didn't have that pedigree. They thought it was a freaking, you know, and it was a certain way to Sam cassell myself, Mark Brian Chucky was used to practicing these guys wouldn't like that. So it was almost spice every day because they didn't practice hard. And so when you have this situation where you're coming off a championship, you should be happy seasons coming in because you're getting ready to repeat. There should be no animosity like that in practice. And so that leads to, you know, there has to be something deeper, something underlined in this situation in the harloff and hit him like that. Yeah. What was the worst you see?
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"I don't know if there are guys around who will yell at the stars anymore. Like coach coaches are afraid to do it. Gee, they're afraid to do it. Maybe some of their teammates, it's only two coaches, I know that's pop exposure that would yell at their top dog. You know, spokes will go at you. You know, he said he said what Jimmy butt is down there. Hey, don't talk to me like that, but I think those are the only two guys that maybe timbo, maybe him. Kurt's gonna draymond, he doesn't have to go at curry because like steps like the easiest stuff is like Duncan. Like one of those easy superstars to coach, right? Who doesn't have like, you don't need to get into it with him. But Kurt draymond has certainly had their moments. Yeah. But draymond gets in with a puppy man. Knowing him, he'll yell at a puppy. So you're in the garage working on your car, and you need the valves you bought last week. You look in the cabinets. 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So he can handle a shack and he could get him on the other hand by bringing Shaq out, but I don't think anybody, man. You know, to 1999, 2000 Shaq, and he was in shape and he was scared of fields, so he, you know, he was playing like a beast and that shack was amazing, man. So I don't think anybody could go. You know, I just watched guys who tried with a lot of think about it. You had to yell, you had your sabonis, you had vladi. You had all these guys that were strong enough and big enough, you know, but, you know, tags. I don't think anybody could, man. The only person who could stop Shaq was himself. Exactly. And we kind of knew it at the time. He only won the one MVP. We talked about MVP earlier, should Shaq have one more MVPs. Was there a season where you thought we screwed it up and it should have been him? No, I don't. You know, I think maybe another season to think, maybe I think he should have got two while he was with the Lakers. But that's about it because I think I'm not saying that he shouldn't deserve. I just think some guys had exceptional years. Yeah. And so I just think, I think Shaq should have won too. I should have think Kobe should have won way more than he did. He only won one, right? Only one to one, yeah. Look, a lot of that was because he spent all those prime years with Shaq, right? And then after Shaq's gone, then the Lakers have some really shitty years. And then they get pow and they're winning again. But yeah, that was where, you know, whatever, there's the one year where was it O 6 when Nash one and a lot of people thought Kobe should have won, but the Lakers record wasn't that great. It's murky in that period of time. But, you know, that's always a great debate that when you talk about the value of a player, you know, we talk about MVP, not MVP on a great team. You know, we talk about sometimes there should be exceptions. Think about it. Westbrook got MVP and they weren't good, but they have to triple double. He was exceptional. But I think sometimes there's always an exception to the rule. Yeah. I didn't vote for Westbrook that you're either. I voted for that. I don't vote for the guys on sub 50 win teams. But you know, harden was like, I always, I love hard as a player, but at those times, I'm going back and look at you on the defensive end like, dude, come on, man. Basketball. You know, let me put this out there. When they say two way player, I hate that term. Because basketball players are basketball players. There's no two way EV going to play defense. You're going to play your office. They don't call defensive players, you know, oh, he's a two way player. He only played defense, not office. That term is the most stupidest term ever. This is not football. Football is the only sport that should be called a two way player because they have a specific defense and have a specific offense teams that come on the field. So the term two way players is stupidest term and I wish people would stop using it. Is that he's a good player? He's not dead player. He's a defensive player. Not a good deal. So if you're averaging 32 points, you're supposed to still actually go play defense also? Yes. That's a novel concept. I mean, MJ did it. By definition, you're right. If you were out there on the court at a Jersey as part of the 5 man unit, you were obligated to yell up again to play defense. You are a defender of sorts just by being on the court, I guess. Yeah. That's a fair point. All right, winding down here, I gotta hit a couple of these real quick with you. You have your virtual background up for people who are watching on YouTube, they can see it if you're just listening, you can not. But there is just a series of Robert Ori's behind Robert Ori. In panel form rockets Jersey Laker Jersey spurs Jersey. Hitting all of your clutch shots in the postseason. What's your favorite? Not necessarily your favorite behind.
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"Before we leave, I have a couple of quick playoff hits I wanted to do here. John morant. All right, so he's out of the series because of the knee injury that may or may not have happened on the Jordan pool play. I'm not going to concern myself with that part of it. But ja gets hurt a lot. He plays this breakneck style. He's small for an NBA player sleight of build. He plays like he's the same things that make him so much fun to watch. They make him electrifying or the things that make me go, oh man, I worry about this man's longevity because he's always attacking. And that's great. It's entertaining. It's successful for his team. I don't know. Rob, are you worried as I am about jaws longevity playing the style he plays high flying a lot of contact, a lot of falls to the court. And just a lot of just weird twists and turns on that body. Yeah, I worry about it all the time because when I look at him, he's like Allen Iverson and Derrick Rose mixed together, you know, the athleticism, the skinniness, the slight of build. But he's so fun to watch and you want to see this, but as a lover, a basketball, you want to see him out there more. And cut back and, you know, there's so many moments where you like, why are you trying that? Why are you trying to dunk on someone? Shoot a floater in the paint like Tony Parker. You know, shoot a faded way like Steph Curry. Do so many things to take away from the bumps and bruises of the game. And I think that just comes with maturity. You watch Michael Jordan was the same way Kobe was the same way. All these guys were going to the rack, trying to dunk on people, do the exciting play. And then you realize getting up off the ground so many times, and in favor for you. So I think he would learn and think about it. He should be a rookie this year because he should have been in college a little bit longer. He's still young. He's going to learn the game. He's going to be, it's going to come to him. He's going to understand, hey, layup is just as good as a dump, you know? And save those moments for when it really counts. Yeah, and that's the thing. You pointed out, I mean, he's still young in his career. His game will evolve. He clearly loves the game and is somebody who wants to be, he wants to be great. And I think he will diversify it and that will allow him to maybe not place a punishing style once he gets more tools in the bag. And I think it gets stronger too because I just mentioned staff. If you look at Steph's body when he won MVP to his body. Now, his body now is built for the long haul. That by then, it wasn't. Yeah. And that's a great point too. But Steph didn't have to take as much of a beating, but guys Ed straight as they mature naturally and also, I think, probably guys realize you kind of needed at certain point. Like even if you're a guard who's playing mostly on the perimeter and a shooter like Steph, you take a beating in this league, right? You know how when I had to put on 15 pounds of muscles that when they say, oh, we're going to officially move rob to file form. I'm like, oh, hell no. People forget, you came in as a small forward. Yes. And then suddenly you get to Lakers, so it's like, yeah, go guard call Malone to bang on him for 40 minutes. The other thing I remember about that back in the day, rob was because that was the, that was an era still where we had the old school prototype bruising power forwards, the Karl malones of the world. Tim Duncan, everybody else that you had to deal with. Every every year, people look at it now they go, oh yeah, Robert Ori, that's the guy who helped the Lakers win three championships. He's got 7 rings all that stuff. They don't remember what I do, which is that every year talk radio in LA would be like, what are the Lakers gonna do to finally show up that power forward position? We can't have Robert Ori started in 82 games. I know. It's so funny how, even when feel first got there, like, am I gonna be around? Is he gonna get rid of me? Next day, no, he's need me in third and fourth quarter. So that was one of the things that I was always unsure about. Because everybody looked at what I did and they looked around the league and other power forces. We got caramel on average 20. We got Charles brackley and Chris Webber. I'm like, dude, you don't need me to average 20 because Kobe and Shaq are having 30. So you just need someone to play good defense and keep those guys in line. You know, smack them around a little bit. And that's the thing about a lot of these guys now, you know, they go, they do so much for teens, but they only people, they only look at the point production, they only look at the rebounds, you know, there are so many guys that are glued to a team, not just on the floor, and the locker room, and just keeping things lighthearted sometimes. I think, you know, you look at guys like myself, Ron Harper, bee Shaw, and fish, and Rick, for the Lakers. That's who we were. You know, when they got rid of us, you as a reporter, you saw the turmoil. You saw the hate. You saw that stuff, they go into the files and get beat. You know, that didn't happen when the rest of us here, we know, we kind of kept it lighthearted and kept those guys together. No question. You know what else is always hit me, rob about those teams. If you look around, so I actually made the list before we hopped on. The Lakers from that Shaq and Kobe era who have gone on to either be coaches or broadcasters, it's a long list. So all right, so on TV, we got Shaq on TNT, of course. You're doing the Laker broadcast out there for spectrum in LA. Derek Fisher has been on TV a bunch is now obviously coaching and has coached a couple different places. Rick Fox was on TV for a long time doing NBA TV and other stuff. Mark Madsen has been on NBA benches. Now he's a college head coach, Mike Penn birthy is an assistant coach to Ron Lew, of course. Coaching very well with the Clippers, won a championship with the Cavs, Luke Walton, Brian Shaw, coached the nuggets for a while. Obviously now he's on lose staff. I think there's something to that, rob. Like, I think when we talk about championship teams, we immediately talk about the superstars who led them. Then we might talk about the glue guys like you who were key to it, but if I go down this list that I just read of guys I covered on your teams in LA that have either been in broadcasting or coaching like the common thread there is like you had a really smart team. Like you had guys who knew who understood the game at a high level, it's not just that it was coasting on their rings and got these gigs because of it. I think that speaks to like the intelligence it takes to have a deep effective roster around your stars. And you have to have, you know, selfless guys who can sacrifice their games for the better of the team. And when you talk about the IQ and the smarts, there's so many moments where you want to go out and shoot the ball and be like, no, we need a better shot here. No, it's not the time. It's the funny story. I remember you might not remember this. We played Phoenix one time in Phoenix and I didn't get a shot when game and I was pissed by that. So we go to Phoenix, I school the first 11 points. And I was like, see, I can fucking score the ball, man. You better give me the ball sometime, right? But I ain't like the first points at school. I was like, it takes a lot of energy to scrub tire, man. So you sometimes you have to let your teammates know. You're like, dude, I'm not just here for the pretty face and just, you know, how someone to go out here and play defense all the time. And you have to let them know. And that's the kind of team we had in the Lakers that we could do stuff like that. But you're right. You have to have blue guys because Rick was that guy, you know, in the locker room where he'll yell at Colby, or yell at shack and they'd be looking like, is this dude crazy? Do he realize who we are? But we didn't care if they were the big dogs because at the end of the day we all human beings, we all men. So you have to handle it and be professional. Was that a playoff series that you did scored the first 11 against the sunset? I think it's just a game. Israeli Sega's game..
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"All right, how often do we get it wrong? I mean, 'cause every time so the last couple of years have been particularly contentious with the results and the backlash and the counter backlash and all this and so we get this whole well maybe we need to rethink this whole thing or maybe the players actually should be voting for it again as they did way back in the day. Maybe the media is not the best body to be voted. Like we get this. So what do we get wrong? What do you think and if we don't get it right more often than not, what's the answer? I think you should do 50, 50, have 50 50 have X players to vote on it. Because those that watched the game and don't have the players voted because think about it, if I'm going to Dallas Mavericks, I'm voting for Luca. Everybody on that team's going to vote for Luca. I don't think that'll work out because guys won't be honest. You know, they want that guy to get the shine. And I think a lot of these, you know, don't take a fist, but the east coast guy, they ain't bad by the time the West Coast guys play. It's hard to stay awake. Yeah. A couple years ago I felt like LeBron should have wanted. We go back to where Kobe should have wanted. We could always go all the way back with MJ played Michael joy. He should have wanted them every year he played. You know, it's so many times where the NBA was like, okay, we can't just keep giving it to Mike. Let's give it to somebody. But then they roll into this one with Steve Nash and then Luke good and I'm like, okay, yeah, and I think players X players who still watch the games have a panel or X players. They say, hey, who you vote now? Because I don't think they should ever take reporters, let's be honest. Ten reporters to shoot a hundred free throws. Ten each. And it probably procedures are going to probably be 20% out of those ten guys. So they suck at basketball. So what the hell do they know about basketball? You know, that'd be like me, you know, going out and you know, not saying all of them, 'cause there's some good that could probably go ten for ten from the three point line. Not like that. To be honest, not likely. Yeah, but I just think it's not fair to the players when reporters because think about it just like reporters sometimes hold grudges against certain players and I don't think they should vote on it. A debate for us to have offline otherwise it'll hijack the rest of this podcast. And I would say, former players, I like that idea, rob, because current players we've seen, not just the obviously they're gonna vote for their own teammate, but like they have a vote in all star voting now. They have like 25% and they're all over the map. They're a disaster. It's awful. I wouldn't let them do that either. And this is why the NBA continues to throw it to us in the media because coaches not gonna be unbiased executives. There's really, I like the idea. I've proposed for certain things. I think like the idea of a blue ribbon panel, which would be like what you're saying. Former coaches, former players, former whatever guys who don't have an investment in the game anymore who are who could be objective about it, who know the game certainly at a much deeper level than I do. But I think in our defense without us hijacking the whole pod, rob. I think we do a pretty decent job of you do. We take it seriously, and we spend a lot of time in a lot of thought on this. And I do think, even if you don't agree with the result, I would say on behalf of my peers, I think for you guys, you put a lot of thought in it, but that's the problem. You put too much thought into it. You go to the, you go to the analytical aspect, you know, just take jokic numbers, for instance this year. His numbers were crazy, right? Yeah. But, you know, does numbers always mean MVP? You know? And that's the thing because if that case, LeBron plays two more games, he becomes a scoring champ. And he should be MVP or something like that. I'm just throwing that down as he should be MVP this year, but numbers can make people who are in the analytical mind screw, just like analytical basketball me is so stupid because everybody said everybody who ever went to school know three is more than two, but that would mean you can go out and shoot threes all day. Don't have a guy who can't shoot three shoot ten threes a game. When he can score, you know, a team in the paint. It's just so stupid to me. And sometimes we let this analytical society and basketball and sports getting a way of how you look at a player's heart and his mind is IQ and it doesn't go boil down to analytics all the time. Yeah, I mean my issue with it and I voted for Yanis this year over jokic. My issue was just that I still think the winning part matters like the history. So and it's not that the bucks are sixers had a lot more wins than the nuggets and jokic was almost solely responsible for what success the nuggets had. And I get all that. But the MVP in this league historically, most of the time has come from a team that absolutely has a chance to make a deep run and possibly win the championship and the sixers and bucks heading into the postseason. You thought, yeah, I could see those teams making a run. For sure. Can the nuggets make a run? No. And I'm not gonna be surprised they lost in the first round, and I'm not saying that disqualifies jokic after the fact I'm saying before the fact on my ballot, it means I can't put them at the top because I believe in this league. Same here. MVP comes from a viable team. A team that matters and the nuggets didn't matter. I would love to know how many MVPs didn't make it to the Conference Finals. You know what I mean? You have some that got swept with some of the injury, but I would love to know what the percentages on that. You know, it also go back there. I don't understand how Devin Booker didn't get talked about for MVP. You know, they got the number one record in basketball. Nobody talked about him. Nobody's talking about CP three. You know, and you know, think about this bridges, why does he win, do you still play with you? Or why does he get most improved? Think about the demo one team in basketball. Nobody on our team got any awards. That's ridiculous. Monty Williams got coach of the year. Oh, yeah. Go to the other side. You want players, man. Coaches don't matter. My son's explanation for you is this, rob. I see them as kind of the modern day version of the Sacramento Kings teams you guys played back in the early 2000s, where it's an ensemble, right? Chris Webber was by far the most important element there, but he was never or very rarely integral to the MVP discussion because the kings won as an ensemble. It was a little bit of Weber and vlade and Persia and bibby and all this. And I think Booker and CP three and ayton that's kind of that same thing and bridge is like all those guys matter and it's like Booker is not Yanis. Booker is not true. And neither is Chris Paul. To me, they are more of that team that wins 60 plus games as an ensemble, not because of the overwhelming influence of one. Yeah. But you know, I just wanted to point that out because it takes it takes so many great things to make a great team for sure. And it starts with money. I think money is the hell of a coach. I was on mine was on the staff when we won the championship in 2005 with the spurs. So he's just a great guy. He's learned from a lot of people. What I like about Monte is he's taking, you know, pieces of pieces and bits from a lot of coaches, you know, not like some coaches who be on the coach. We're like, okay, we're going to do exactly what he did. Because we've seen what I ain't going to call no names out a couple of coaches who studied on the pop. And when they get the head coaching jobs, what they do. So. It's almost like waterboarding. Like, hold on, this is, okay, everyone is. Okay, let's run that. Doesn't work for everybody, exactly..
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"Who they're facing in the east, they have Milwaukee. Even though the Celtics are right there, you know, battle in the real hard. And I think the Celtics is a great team. And harford has turned back the hands of time and played really good, but can he do that consecutive consecutive games? I don't think so. And I just think Giannis is the hardest playing guy in the NBA. And with his size, his strength and his athleticism, it's hard to stop him because he's going to have to have a bad game like he had last game in order for them to be there. And he doesn't have that many of those. Yeah, I mean, look, you know this, like there's kind of this axiom in the NBA playoffs and it doesn't always hold but it often does like the team with the best player wins unless like their entire supporting cast has collapsed or something, right? And Giannis is a pretty good supporting cast. And yeah, most serious he's the best guy on the floor. And it's hard to argue against that, and they're the reigning champs, and we haven't really seen any holes other than Middleton's knee, right? Yeah. But you know, I'm very excited to see them play the heat though, because I won't see Giannis versus bam. And, you know, that's a good matchup. And we don't talk about classic big win matches because there's really no classic big men's, but bam, it started at hybrid big man, he can do anything on the floor defensively. So it's going to be a good series of watch those two match up and see how that fares. I would expect that you having been kind of a freak in your time. What are the early stretch fors at a time that I don't think the term stretched for was even used during your playing days, but like that was tall guy who could do a lot of things with the ball, including shooting from range, you know, you could put it on the deck a bit. I would expect that you love these kind of hybrid evolutionary bigs like bam and Yanis, KD, like that, that seems like the Robert Rory Wheelhouse right there. You know, it's almost like we always talk about evolution how someone takes what you did and expand on it and expand on it. You know, I kind of took what, you know, those guys before me like Larry Bird and Scottie Pippen and all those tall guys magic. Not saying I was as good as those guys, but you take those guys and you try to emulate them because they're your same size and build and these guys now have taken everybody that that size and expanded on it and I would have loved to be in this day and era where, you know, for me, we never had to handle the ball. Yeah, kick it up, you know? You know, let Kobe bring it up, you know, let fish bring it up. You know, burning Tony Parker bring it up. And for me, I never really want to handle the ball. Two, three dribbles on pulling up for a jumper, you know, back in college. And so, but now these guys are able to do so many things with the basketball. And I was just saying, you know what? If I would have been that guy in this era that spent two hours on this ball instead of shooting, where have I gained a bent, you know, would I be able to do more things with the ball? And it's just so fun to watch these guys. How they take what we've done, the people in the past, from, you know, from Bill Russell to will to all these guys up and taking it and tweaking it and making it their own. So it's fun to watch. So the guy who's the epitome of that, of course, is jokic who by all accounts will be back to back MVP. That's not official yet as you and I record this. Again, it might be by the time this publishes and B has already kind of a little sulky about it. I get it. What do you think of jokic just back to back MVP? I don't know who you had on your theoretical ballot, but but what do you think of jokic repeating? You know, don't get me wrong, yolk is played awesome. I think MB should have won it last year, and yogurt should win it this year. You know, at first I said, NB should have one of this shit, then I looked at the numbers and watch how jokic carried that team with no Jamal Murray. And I know I did it and it's 7 6 is a trash with IMD too. You know, but I just think, you know, as much as I love and be and I thought he should have won it last year. I think, okay, let's give it to him this year. You know, it's almost like that Steve Nash MVP. I'm like, okay, he had the same year he had last year. Why is he winning it again when Michael Jordan didn't do that? You know, he had to have an exceptional year for him to get it. But I think in B should have got, this is just on the premises he didn't get it last year. But I just think MB is, you know, I think it affected him in the next day because people don't understand every NBA player every person is human. Things affect us and when you have your heart set on something so bad and you don't get it when you really deserved it, it can thick and mess with you mentally and I think it did with it. Wow, that's interesting. I thought, I don't know, I guess because of all the years you and I were around Shaq. Like if Shaq gets snubbed, Shaq is going out to like kill somebody to prove that he should have gotten it. And I think, you know, look, he's got a lot of qualities. I think that actually are comparable to Shaq in some ways. Like, you know, big man who loves to have fun, but also can dominate you physically on the court, everything else. I would have expected and listen, rob, he's got the hand injury. He's got the broken arm with the bone. Yeah, it's broken face, man. So I was kind of giving benefit of the doubt to the idea that maybe he just had other stuff going on. But you think you think that the MVP snub actually messed with his head? I think it's a combination of all of that, not just in the stud, but you know, think about it. He hadn't played in 7, 8, 9 days, and then he's played two back to back. It could have been fatigue, you know? And people always expect superstars to be super every night, especially in the plows. You hear all these guys talk about it. Oh, and you could go down the line for every guy who's an analyst who used to be a former player. They gonna have that one game, even though they had a superstar that they had a bad game and they gonna probably give it some excuse. So I was sick, this game. I concussion, man, 'cause he got these four things that could implement and who knows what's going on at home, you know? His daughter or child could have been sick or whatnot. So there's a lot of things that can affect you because at the end of the day we all human beings and we have stuff that affects us that carries over into our jobs. All fair. 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"robert horry" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"And it's just fun to do these things. Do you have a favorite one yourself? Not in your own series necessarily, but it might be in your series, obviously, but a favorite finals yourself that was the one might have been the formative one for you as a kid before you got to the league or even since. I think going back and rewatching the warriors Cleveland series and realizing, you know, we all know how the good LeBron was, but he was freaking good, you know? And watching how Steph Curry and how he you look at you look at his body type back then and how skinny he was and now you see how big he is now you can see the older he gets to when we're treating the stronger his body and his range gets better and better each year. Now he's big and strong. He can shoot from half cool with ease and it's just good to watch the maturation of each guy who goes through the league. You know, even with LeBron, you know, you go from, you know, how he played, you know, just with a reckless abandon to deep down into the late on his life, how he played a little bit smarter. Not saying he didn't play with the records, but we can tell you played smarter. It's the maturation practice process that I like so much. It's interesting you mentioned the warriors Cavs, right? So that was like, you know, we had four straight years or whatever where it was like totally predictable. We are now in a moment where things have become, I think, delightfully unpredictable. Like we really don't know. And we're recording this before a couple of these series might get decided by the time this runs on Friday, but it feels wide open right now. And I think it has felt that way the last couple of years, we don't have like the warriors are a reigning dynasty because they're still together and they might still win another one. But other than that, nobody feels inevitable. And that's been rare, Robin, in the time that, you know, your time in the league, my time covering the league, the history of the sleek really is a history of dynasties. What do you think is happening? Do you like it? It's interesting. It makes you want to watch because you don't know who's going to who's going to win. Because think about it, you know the bulls were going to win. You know the Lakers were going to win. You know, the spirits were going to make. You had those years, except for 94, 95, you had no clue who was going to win and when Jordan was out, even though I knew who was going to win. But you have these years is fun. You know, will Giannis be able to carry the bucks back to the finals. We'll see P three finally get his ring, you know, we'll come back from three two and win this series. It's so many things. Wouldn't mind me he'd get their chance to get back to the finals to revenge their loss. There's so many different storylines that you can look at that makes this year fun. And I kind of like it like this. And it's weird because after we had a championship, my Friends had come home, I go home to my Friends, like, man, we want somebody else to be, hey, why you want somebody else out of your boy? But you know, it's fun to see other teams win. I'm not playing. It's because it's like a it's watch TV. You think about it. I think watching the game last night, I mean, I won't say last night when this ad. But watching sons play the Mavs and tied up to how Luca plays so well at home and how the story is stuff went down with CP three's family, how they were going to come out and come together. And look, they came out and they blasted them and that's the good thing about NBA basketball. Each and every series is a different story. I'm really excited about the Celtics book series. To me, that should have been, you know, Eastern Conference final series that we would all would love to watch, but it's just a great basketball. Yeah. I have no idea where this is going. I think it's a great that we have no idea where it's going. From what you've seen of the warriors so far, does this look like a team like clay's had kind of a rough go in the postseason, but we've seen moments where clay still looks like clay. Steph still looks like he's playing at or near his peak. Draymond looks phenomenal. Some of their young guys have really rounded out, I mean, we talked about, as dynasty is go right there, they were a great one, 5 straight finals, which hadn't happened in the modern era, three championships, and then we thought, there were a lot of people probably thought it was over. How viable. Do you think can they win it all again? You know what? I was one of those people, you know, they're done. But I look at clay. He's a key to that team. And he looks like he's ran into The Rookie wall. You think about he's been off for two years and he still, I don't think he's in great shape because think about it. You have to be in great shape by the time to play I was rolling. I don't think he's in great shape. He's in good shape. And I just see that team not as good as it normally is. It's like they're missing something. You know, you have pooh who's taking a lot of shots from play and stuff, which allows them to get their rhythm. And then you got Wiggins who sometimes to forgotten guy, all star, just sitting over there like, yo guys, you forget, I was an all star. And you're not using me. So that's the one job in the NBA. It's being Steve Kerr. It's hard, man, because you got pool who's emerging as a star, you got to give him his minutes, but they don't seem the same. And then when you go to their bench, the bench is kind of suspect. So I don't see them getting back to the finals, but I see them making someone, you know, putting some scared a lot of people's hearts and minds. All right, so as we're discussing this, sun's maps has not concluded it may have perhaps by the time this runs. But it sounds like you're leaning sons unless you think the maps are gonna upset them like do you think the suns are coming out of the west? I just think the sun is so good. I think the best player in the NBA that doesn't get talked about is, you know, he had before like last night, even though he keeps saying that. He had 20 points, and we don't talk about him, man. He's just so consistent and for me, if you look at what's happened to him at the beginning of season and you notice how from being around a leaf so long, how many guys would have been as professionally as he been. I haven't gotten my money, you know, guys around me who went under me, the average points, let's rebound. They've all gotten paid. And that's the sign about how crazy I want to say stupid, but how dumb the NBA coaches can be. They don't value big men anymore. They say, oh, you know, no, no, no. But yet, he's getting 20 and ten every night. And you don't value 20 points because he doesn't shoot threes. It's the most ridiculous thing ever. 20 points is 20 points, no matter how you get them. At the end of the day, you just have to get buckets and he has been so professional. That's the first time you see a guy, you just go up to him and give him the man hooks a dude, you know, I applaud you, man, because you're handling your business like a professional and get paid at the end of the season and just do what you need to do. So I still think Phoenix Suns because of him are going to get back to the finals. And I don't know if they're going to win it, but I think they'll win the west..
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"Is the crossover and NBA show hosted by Sports Illustrated's Chris mannix and Howard back. It's a whole new level for you and me, Chris. This relationship. Like and subscribe for the best weekly NBA content these two are capable of. What does that mean? It could be the best duo ever. I don't see how you can beat that. Here they are. Chris mannix and Howard back. Now pleased to be joined by a man with 7 count them 7 championship rings, one of the greatest clutch shooters of all time, the only person on earth who calls me Fred. Which is not my name, which is okay because people call him big shot bob and he's not actually bob. He's running. Robert Dory, how are you, sir? What's up, mister Beck, how's everything going? There may be the first time in the 25 years we've known each other that you actually said like mister Beck, you don't even call me Howard because you just call me Fred. We should explain why you call me Fred. You know, first of all, let's just start out by saying, we've been friends for a long time. And back in the days in the Laker locker room, you know, the whole crew when y'all would do the big gang bangs. And that's the technical term what it's called, you know? We like to call it a scrum. It's called a game based fine. But you know, it's funny. When you have a good relationship with people, you have to give them nicknames. And so I just figured, you know, you're good friends. I'm going to give you a nickname. I just came up with Fred. I don't know why, but I just said, you know what? I'm just calling you free it. So I have a slightly different recollection of this while we're on this briefly. Because this was at the forum, I believe, before you guys have moved to Staples Center. So late 90s, and if I recall, you're sitting at your locker one day 'cause I could kind of picture where you were in the room. And we were all milling about, which is something that we kind of do. We're all just standing there. And you were kind of giving us shit for just like, I think, just the milling about the loitering in pretty locker room. And I recall you waving us all off as just we're all just Fred. Eventually just became me because I think I protested it to you and had this discussion with you so that I became friends. But initially, I think you said we were basically all Fred, 'cause and the way I figured it was like, yeah, a bunch of white dudes in khakis and bed. Bad polo shirts. We all just look like Fred, right? I was trying to make it sound a little bit better. Good friends. I gave you a nickname, but now you want to tell the real story, but yeah, you know, I do remember that when I was like, man, I'm just gonna call all y'all Fred, you know? Because it was fun to me. You know, that was a good time, even though we didn't want anything in the form, but it was good times. Yeah, the last playoff series there was not a great memory for y'all. All right, we got that out of the way. We discussed the bob rob thing on your podcast, which we will discuss in a minute as well. But as I have often said, I don't mind you call me Fred 'cause it's fun. It's term of endearment at this point after 25 years. But I have always bristled on your behalf of people calling you big shot, bob, because nobody called you bob, you were never bob Ori. No. You were Robert or rob. And so the big shot bob think people love the alliteration, but like, man, it's big shot rob. I don't know. That always rubbed me wrong on your behalf. I don't know why. You know, it all started with my mother. My mother first heard kilburn called me that on ESPN. She was like, I don't want him calling you bob. You know, that's your dad, your name is Robert. He can call you rob, but I don't even call you bob. And then I just kind of jokingly said that and he switched it to rob and his it's been all over. You know, I'm just happy, I got a nickname in the NBA because that is a sign that you have arrived. And for me, you know, you can drop the rob with a bob and just say big shot because I think well I kind of laugh about it because I think when I meet people and I don't even think they knew my real name what's that big shot and it was like, what's up picture? I'm like, I want to know my real, my real name, you know, so they just say big shots. I went to your basketball reference page, rob. And it says, so they always have nicknames. Many of which are very questionable, but they have big shot bob, and they have big shot rob, which are cool. I'm glad they at least included that one too. Then they have something, they had a third one. The key man. What the heck is that? I don't have a clue. The NBA sends me to China a lot. And I don't know how to say it in Chinese, but it translates to the lucky one. So that's what they call me in China, the lucky one. And I've had a lot of nicknames in college, none of them really stuck, but I think the lucky one is the one that when I go to China a lot is the one they use. So I don't know how to say it in Chinese, but I'm managing it, but it's kind of cool that they call me the lucky one. Very cool. So the key manager is something basketball reference just like made up out of thin air probably. You know, all that stuff they just make up they pull it out of the air. You know, just typical phrase doing what they do better. So you would have got a chance to catch up recently on your podcast series, the NBA Finals file series with your co host jabari Davis. There are three of those out so far, which people should go subscribe to. The latest this week is on the 94 Knicks rockets series a series near and dear to your heart, of course. But one that people often remember as the O. J. Simpson series, of course. Yes. Previously, you guys did the 84 Lakers Celtics. You did 2013 spurs heat. And coming up, I believe next week is the 2000 finals Lakers and pacers featuring me as the guest. Reminiscing. This is a really cool series. How many of these, how many more of these are you doing? How did you guys decide which ones too? Because like even like 84 Lakers Celtics, I know it's a classic, but like there's obviously a lot of Lakers Celtics to pick from. There's three Shaq Kobe Lakers possible. You guys picked the first one. There's a lot of options. Like, how did you guys decide which ones and how many more are you featuring? I think we decided by game 7 series of game 6 series because for instance, we can do my 95 rockets in the finest car. We swear Orlando. So you can really talk about that. We try to talk about iconic people. I kind of games. Think about it. You just mentioned, you know, the heat series. You got LeBron James Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, you know, going up against Tim Duncan and the real and shot, you know, those key moments that happened in that series. And the 84 Lakers one was my best. It was my favorite because people don't realize that this was a day and age where they didn't shoot threes that much Michael Cooper led the league in three point shooting. I think he only made like a 184 or something like that. But the average over a 110 points a game, each team. And they didn't shoot threes. They show you how fast paced, even though it was physical. It was still fast paced, but you know, it's just talking about great NBA Finals because there's so many moments that get forgotten about a lost and, you know, we're just trying to rehash and bring it back up. But we were just picking teams. We tried to pick dynasties. You think about the and even though, you know, in Indiana, how Shaq just dominated Indiana. It was a good series. It's just first of three championships. And then we talked about the rockets one with the next cut. You had two of the best sinners there to play the game in the old J trial. So it was key moments. And so I think that's pretty much how we pick the ones we choose. And we have a total of it's going to be ten episodes. And so we're going to have ten final series because they're breaking it down to two episodes per series. So it's fine. So I hope people listen in because jabari Davis, he carries me. He's great. You know how you cared me for years. You know, he's carrying me in this, but you know, it's a great time, and we talk about a lot of stuff that people might not notice. And they can go back and watch these things on YouTube, which is a fun part. And say, wow, magic was good. Wow, Jane's worthy could run. Wow, Larry.
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The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop
"robert horry" Discussed on The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop
"He's like, I got it. Don't leave. It was so fun. I said, I was like, Coke, shut up, man. Let me get them. Crazy thing is he left me, but in the same spot I had missed the previous season when I was with the Legos in San Antonio. I got the same shot. And in my mind, it's redemption time, right? Yeah. I'd rather the same damn results. I missed the shot and cooled without yelled at car. I told you not to leave rob you lucked out this time. Is it really a feeling? 'cause I'm a firm believer in like, you know, the most clutch players in the NBA also happen to be the best players because they're gonna shoot, they're gonna get more opportunities at the end of game and shoot to their percentages over the course of a big enough saddle. But you kind of buck that trend because you hit so many big time shots. You know, it's weird that you brought that up because I tell people all the time. I don't think you understand how hard it was for me to do that because in doing the course of a game, you know, it depends. You know, when you're not the star, you might get three, 5, ten shots a game. You know, but you're not gonna get more than 12 shots a game if you're not just throwing a team. The teams I play for, unless I was the set for my first couple of years in Houston. And you have to be on point, man. But you know, luckily, I was on point a lot of those times I had got a couple shots, got a little rhythm. And for me, I always blank out. And what I mean, it just goes back to your fundamentals. It goes back to the mechanics. It goes back to those millions and millions of hours spent on a playground in a gym, you know, doing all those shots. And for me, every time I got the shot, it was like picture. It's like, do this, do that. This shot, you know? And for me, I never really thought about it. I never cared if I got the shot. I always wanted a shot, but I was like, you know what? If it comes to me, it's coming to me, you know? It's a term I always like to say, the basketball guys would lead you to where you need to be. Hey, we listened to a Robert Oreo on showtime with coop rob a couple of more questions for you serve. Again, I want to thank you for being on the day. You know what? You played on so many spectacular teams, but the one team I really see that I kind of identify you with is that great spurs team, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, ginobili, tell us one thing that we don't know about Tony Parker. But you can say, you know what Tony, great teammate. He was one of the fastest guys I've ever played with. Think about this for a couple of years. I think three maybe four years. I don't remember. He led the league in points in the paint. You know, and you know how hard that is. And so I'm always trying to get my son Christian to try to emulate him. And as we were asked to do, gotta be like Tony park, getting here to learn how to shoot jumpers, little floaters, get that soft touch around the best because that's so important to me. You know, nowadays, the game is built on the three, but Tony was a great teammate. I am the one who actually introduced him to Eva Longoria. Oh, okay. All right. Because I knew I knew Eva from when I played in LA. So when she came, you know, it was all the big to do because Desperate Housewives and other kinds of stuff. So she came in the locker room. She came to me because she knew me from the Lake because we were talking. And then I introduced her to Tony and next thing that goes. And she asked to meet him? Yeah. He asked you to meet him? Yeah. And why do you think she's the locker room? And when she came along, everybody's like, what the hell this woman doing in locker room and pop was kind of like heated about it, man. He was like, what is she doing? You know, pot was very protective of his players. And I created for he doesn't want his players to get no bad press, no, you know, nothing to distract you. So this was the Eva thing and it was like, so, you know, Tony needs to, I don't know if you want to create to me if we introduced him to you because they divorced, but I don't know about that, but I'm the one that introduced him to either. What was your, what was your favorite championship? I think for me 95 with the rockets was my favorite championship just for the fact that we had to overcome so much no home court advantage the Utah in Utah and game 5 and they. The 7 seed? It was a 66 big seat. They tried in Utah they tried to hold a clock and they got an extra ten seconds to get a shout out. We still won that game. Went on to play the Phoenix sounds. We went down three one in that series. Three one. Y'all came back? Yeah. AC green was talking trash. Can you believe that? He was talking to him. And then we won that series and then we went on to play San Antonio and everybody talks about that series with dream and David Robinson Dave Robinson got MVP. And then we went on the sweet Shaq and penny in the finals. And so that run was so spectacular for us because we went small ball. They moved me from the from the small forward to the powerful, which I was pissed about because man, you know, Charles, you played against Charles, with that big old button, the elbows and you'd be hurting at the end of the game. So we went small ball, it kind of worked out into our favors and for me, I think it kind of put me in a box. And what I mean by that is all of a sudden, I became this spot up for God. And that's when that's not who I was. You know, I was slasher. I was a poster guy. I did love everything in the game, but for me, you know, I've always been a team first guy. If that's what the coach want, that's what I'm gonna do. And all of a sudden, I became his post up guy and I went from having plays run for me my first four years in the NBA to like, it's got that spot up. If you open shoot it, you know, and it makes a big difference in the players game. You get a play ran for you. And I remember playing with elden Campbell. Elden camel is the one guy I always like, yo, we gotta run a play for Elliot because if you run a play for a guy, he becomes engaged and elden, you give him one to play, then he scored, oh, you gonna get an all star type of player that night. So that's what I tell guys, even when I was coaching my AAU team, I ran place for everybody on the floor. Even though some kids were reluctant to shoot, I said, no, I need that confidence for later on in case you have this moment where we need you. So you need to run place for everybody that's some point. Hey, rob, you know, he said something interesting. AC green talking trash. What's he gonna say? The lord is gonna get you for not going to church. What kind of trash can he? The lord will smite you. Because he was talking trash because he previous year, they were up two zero on us, and we came back to beat them, but then became what could he say? He's never going to happen again. We have three one. That happened last year was a fluke, you know, we're the best team. We gonna beat them and next day no, they took us into a tuck machine. See, AC green saying fluke, that's too close to fuck. So. Anyway, we listen to Robert Roy Robert a couple more questions for you, man. Are your thoughts on the Lakers this year? And in the future. You know, having to watch the Lakers, you know, over and over. This is the first time when you see a team, you feel bad for them. And what I mean by that is they just had bad look, you know, all the 80 injuries and everybody always talk about what he saw. First of all, you got to get pushed on your string himself. Happened to me. You trying to throw all these lives to this guy with a lot of traffic around, he'd come down onto someone in his foot, you know, do you have to protect him from himself sometime. And for me, they always want to throw 80 laughs. And that's something that I would never do unless it's a fast break but in the paint with a lot of traffic. I'm not doing it. You know, it with LeBron, LeBron was fantastic this year. I just think it put Vogel in a bad situation, man, because he didn't have the big three never played together. They kept changing the team. As a coach, man, I didn't know I was like, I had to say this coupe. I won a championship next year. I got a different deal. I'll be pissed, man. Because you are not take away from my team, add to my team. Yeah. And I just feel like,.
Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"robert horry" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"Middle name is crews that part out right. 'cause top guns. My favorite movie ever legit obsession with tom cruise. My son's middle name is crews. My wife had a family name. That was important for the first time. I obliged as long as i got crews for the middle so he gave up the draft pick rights to the first name for the middle name to be named later and so he got crews. That was an important sentence to make sure everyone here in the audience understands the passion that our guy has here all right so two things stand out one is the answer. This no fucking drop it. Okay just drop it. It's a movie like you like it. Other people one-person hasn't seen it. It's all right like this isn't a new vitamin here. It's it's a movie. The other thing is and i don't know if people with me on this one. I think watching movies together at your house. I don't know if that's a thing. I think when you're younger shohei throw in a movie but married couples. I don't know that married couples get together and go to each other's houses to watch movies anymore. Does that happen. 'cause there's like cuddling going on who knows what the rules are. But in general wait is this guy's swinger. You know what i mean. Do we see a pineapple out front. I think there's a lot of stuff here that has nothing to do with top gun where i just would imagine. I'll heart at a higher percentage of married couples would not be into going to another couple's house to watch a movie. I mean unless you've get sick home theater and i'm not just talking about five point one year like we used to get excited about the late nineties and early two thousands. When i had a buddy that bought a zenith surround sound. I think with five speakers ordered the sub woofer buick. You've got to come over and listener. Ransom like ransom. Is your choice for a good surround. Sound movie again late ninety so you a bear with us here so now You know unless we're talking full theater seating lighting the whole deal i am. You didn't bring that up. So i mean if this is just hey i'm gonna throw on top. I guess digitally at this point or maybe have the dvd direct and. You're gonna sit on the couch and then me and my wife is. I don't think there's many couples it would even wanna sign up for that unless you had some bootleg you know of of the next batman. That hasn't come out yet. So don't take it personally and i'm not even talking about you but to the art that is tom. Cruise and top gun But i would. I would let this one go. I mean everything you said. You didn't say hey. I'm semi serious. You're one hundred percent seriously. You want these people but the other thing is going to be weird too is. You're going to be watching top gun and you're going to be looking at her evaluating whether or not she's appreciate. You're going to be disappointed. You're going to be so disappointed. Take it from your guys. that's it you're just going to be so disappointed at tappan to me was a big lebowski yet but i tried to like multiple girlfriends was like you got to see it. And they're fucking looking at the phone and there's an awesome joke walters. You know doing his thing and she's not getting the johnny jokes at it's like oh you're wasting both of our time and it's like you don't want to be in that position. These big lebowski urban achievers. Oh so these kids. Yes well his children. Oh.
Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"robert horry" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"You with those two. It makes you feel good. So i i think for me as to be one of my greatest shots just because growing up as a laker fan being big magic johnson fan and now to be able to accomplish something in a laker uniform and go down and laker histories When a most clutch shooters of all time and and it just makes you feel good to have that moment. As a top five moment in history i would think years removed. That because you're the lakers and because the team had had this run that you're thinking okay we'll sacramento thing but we don't you guys are so they had a huge lead samaki walker hits that three that actually should accounted before they have and you hit a bunch of shots in the fourth to so it was like you were kind of like tell like tuned into what you kinda needed. Somebody said that maybe because they always think only that one off the corner. I watched the game this morning. Watch because i remember where i was you know when i was sitting around watching it. I remember watching the whole series. But i remember that shot specifically. I was sitting on the floor in front of a television leg with a group of people. And we're just like you know. Because i kind of liked that sacramento team. But i always felt like you guys probably didn't respect them where you're like you guys are good but you don't you. Rebut you know the thing they ever forget. They came back at one game five so if there is a mentally soft as everybody made him out to be after the fact and i'm sure you guys probably thought at that time. Then you know you you there was supposed to be up three one. it's too they go to sacramento. They went to close game And then you guys win the last two and you win at their place. But did you think did you. I guess i'm trying to figure out what you respect. Level was for their mental toughness. I think when you look around lack of you know Christie was a heart and soul of that team we had a loudspeaker christie. He had a hard job guard kobe. You know scott pollen devote in those grinded out finesse type centers in of course chris webber was. You know one of those guys. That was a grinded offense. Got to but we never really looked at them as a team will worried about. I think all the teams we ever play in. The playoffs is only been two teams. We worried about as the spurs in portland. Trailblazers knows only two teams. We have worried about what was playing. Why was there At at think would sacramento. We just thought they was. You know glitz glamour on a and because they were really fancied they will always try to do things like you know. Chris will between the legs nobility behind the back and the funny part is the starting five never talked trash. It was noted bobby jackson's on the bench. It was Under burke zone advance it was autograph on a visit. Talks a trach. Every like you talking trash out here you go mess around off koby go off when you guys shack so it was one of those things we know. New is is weird because the starting find new. You don't wanna talk trash to these guys because we haven't beaten him yet just because we up. Don't talk trash in his the bench. That was doing the trash talking. But we respect demand but not as much as we expected other teams and and and when i say that i don't mean as big as this is a level concern for certain teams that you quite. I love that you had another one then to Where the.
Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"robert horry" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"Into them as i have once at work you know elite feeling better about yourself because the rock was just he was cool It seems to be genuine. So i don't think that there's many times you could sit there like i don't know how good is he's an actor you know i don't know i don't know the catalog enough to be negative about it. I'm five percent fearful of it. But i was thinking about it for a couple of players because as we go through this playoff season and i've done this before i wanted track like each story. I remember one time. There was a chance that lebron was going to have to play dwayne wade in the first round of the playoffs. That's that could really be something there and yelich widely that team's not that good and it's lebron. So why why would he be worried about. Flying is understanding the point like the way we will look at the results and it kinda changes the way we feel about a player for the off season and then that next season hangover because of an early exit or an incredible run. I mean jimmy. Butler is a really good example of this where i like jimmy butler. I've never really thought he's a top ten guy and hard of migos. Is he difficult or was he right about the minnesota team probably Actually he definitely was. He was right about the philadelphia guys. Yeah there's probably some stuff there that you could say jimmy butler was right about but then they have that run and then you go okay now my supposed to just think jimmy butler is a top five guy and this guy's incredible and he had a really good year this year too so he's all nba on top of everything else and they lose in the first round that miami teed had all sorts of problems but then i could write this. I want to be really nasty and negative about butler. I could and i know i've been critical times while also complimentary which is what i like to do. I mean i could do this about myself right if i were a scalp scouting me writing about me. If i wanted positive i could say And i did. This will outworked. Everyone has no ceiling for himself. Holds himself to a higher standard work than others will hold him to cares. Thinks of others won't.
The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop
"robert horry" Discussed on The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop
"Get my wife. Anyway, here we go Gail Goodrich Jerry West the late. Great Elgin Baylor. Wilt Chamberlain Kobe Bryant Magic Johnson Kareem, Abdul-Jabbar Shaquille O'Neal James Worthy Derek Fisher Michael Cooper Robert Horry AC Green Byron Scott Pat Riley Happy Hairston. Norm Nixon Jamaal Wilkes Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones Michael Thompson Eldon couple leave anybody out I don't think so. Now you got five years. I'm actually I'm not even lower one more year for years. I'm more that makes the difference now, you've got like 45 more people getting it off the top my head. I don't think so. I mean I have an idea of who I met the ten best seller. Okay. I I got my little sheet here and I haven't even written anything on it. I just got ten players ten spots and I'm going to let you are and we took swab a little bit about it will go. Okay and and they don't have to be in. You know, number one. Number two. We just gotta put the candy. Okay, and then we can and then we can and we can write them a gambler song. Okay, we can have to have an order Okay, so That list I just named who would you put on the list? Kareem okay. Magic Kobe all that. Sorry, Corey magic Kobe. Jack yeah Wilt yeah, Elgin. Yeah, Jerry West. Did you have George Michael on your list know see that's another one got to put him on there George Mikan. Gail Goodrich All right, you're kind of really tight man. Okay, George Mikan like nine Gail Goodrich nail Goodrich. Scoring.
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