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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

04:43 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Additionally, there magazine now called the founder's enjoyed a print run of two hundred thousand copies yet, none of this pleased Marianne she was a materialistic narcissist who held herself beyond reproach which foundation members supported according to authors, all stead and Kramer quote. Adulation the ultimate form of special treatment has an addictive quality difficult to resist adulation permitted Marianne to get away with her unscrupulous behaviour, which members either disregarded or excused Thomas Wylie later admitted to compartmentalizing parts of Marianne that he disliked and training himself to focus on her brilliance -is Wiley felt he and his fellow members had created a monster. He said, quote, perhaps Marianne thought she'd finally become the goddess the identity we had so long projected onto her Marianne thought the foundation should solely focus on ministry. When she ordered all other activities to seize members were split their ministry wasn't as profitable as the other activities. And they worried about falling back into the same financial problems suffered before so Marianne consulted with Miley. Then director of the foundations New York headquarters. Wiley suggested she separate the ministry and other activities and allow both to coincide with her leading the ministry, and he leading the rest, but Marianne took this as an attack on her leadership. The foundation was split into Marianne supporters were the purists why were the universalist after several failed meetings about fifteen members including two of Marianne center circle deserted in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven a small group, including Wiley rented an apartment in Manhattan central park, west they call themselves the unit and independent subordinate to the foundation. But the group barely made it a year they couldn't salvage the past. Neither could Robert in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine he abandoned his final attempts to restart the process, he eventually reunited with more Ghana and the couple moved to Staten Island, New York, the former cult leader and his disciple settled for relatively normal office careers Wiley tried to maintain contact with Robert, but their friendship had changed. The Wiley lived in Staten Island for over a decade. He had dinner with Robert only. Twice. Both times were disastrous. There was simply too much history between them to ever really reconcile. Meanwhile, the foundation couldn't survive on their ministry, alone, Marianne, two remaining followers, left New York. And finally settled and canal Utah in one thousand nine hundred eighty two they dropped their ministry altogether and underwent one final metamorphosis in one thousand nine hundred three. Out of the ashes of the foundation emerged best friends animal sanctuary a no kill shelter. The change felt right? As many members were passionate about animals. One said, quote, we were all feeling that. It was time to devote ourselves to that. True passion Marian widely kept in touch via letters and in her final years, widely visited her property in Utah. Her home evoked ancient Egyptian architecture when asked about the design Mary unconfessed, I wanted it to look like a tomb Marianne reportedly died on November fourteenth two thousand five at the age of seventy four the cause of death remains unknown. However a rumor claims wild dogs tore out her throat best friends animal sanctuary thrives in her. Wake known today as best friends animal society, it's one of the United States largest animal welfare. Groups providing shelter to over sixteen hundred homeless cats and dogs. It seems an incredible journey for two former Scientologists to create a church that took them from a second story cramped office in London to Mexico to almost every major US city and across Europe only to fizzle down to a single animal shelter in Utah. They didn't change the world as they had set out to do. But to quote, Robert de Grimsson we had a hell of adventure trying. Thanks again for tuning into cults. We'll be back with another episode

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

04:11 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"The mortgage alone was forty thousand dollars budgetary constrictions forced the foundation to scale back from magazines to newsletters. Eventually the foundation rented out space in the complex for various endeavors to pay off their debt and while foundation members dealt with Marianne 's insatiable. Oh, greed, the twenty five members of Robert's process redux desperately tried to stay solvent. Only to process members were able to hold down jobs. A few tried to start their own businesses to little avail. They put together a magazine from previous process periodical 's their sales goal was two thousand dollars. Instead they made around two hundred dollars process redux members begged for food from strangers when they didn't beg. They shoplifted and broke into cars. Tensions mounted as bills piled up numbers. Made plans that fell apart some maintain their misfortunes were attest. Others felt this was the end even Robert conceded. It was a disaster. But there was hope yet eight former members living Toronto reached out they revealed that they had maintained their own informal chapter at a large house on -tario street. Robert took it as a sign that he was meant to continue his organization on February fourteenth, nineteen seventy-five Robert moved in more Ghana and five others from Waltham joined Robert a few weeks later on March second Robert believed as failure to assert is a thority was the reason the process redux imploded in Boston. He vowed not to repeat that mistake in Toronto. He started with full participation in the Toronto chapters activities Robert also created a new rule to preemptively thwart any efforts to oust him specifically. He wrote Robert de Grimsson is the teacher. He cannot be removed from office. He sits on the board of directors. He is entitled to veto any resolution of the. Board but in his efforts to maintain control. He fell to the opposite extreme he showed blatant favoritism to the Waltham members. Over the Toronto members as the rivalry blossomed, the situation Antero street crew tents in his heart of hearts, Robert wanted to leave but ever the teacher. He looked for signs to justify his departure. He found one. More Ghana and impulsive thrill seeker started an affair with another member. No, one was more blindsided than Robert Moore Ghana had been his rock since it's divorce from Maryanne Roberts said that it was significant that more Ghana strayed near the one year anniversary of his being expelled from the process when it was still run by Marianne this year, he would expel himself. He moved out of the house in Toronto. And into the home of a former member allegedly Roberts sat in a corner and refused to eat for three days. Broken and alone. He pondered aloud where the hell do I go from here on March twenty fifth nineteen seventy five the last remnants of the process broke up by nineteen seventy six Mary sect. The foundation was no longer a church all its chapters had closed except the one in New York. The studio complex had become a catch. Schol convention center that cater to multiple kinds of mystical beliefs for the right price. The foundations most popular attractions were psychic fares. Acupuncturists astrologers Buddhists fortune tellers hypnotists, and countless others were featured at the psychic fairs, which swiftly became a novelty yet despite adopting various mystical iconography in beliefs. The foundation was committed only two Mariane the second fair success allowed foundation members to branch out into other avenues such as radio shows televised appearances and seminars..

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

04:05 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"And what was now called the foundation met a fresh start for the process Robert arrived in Boston on October fifth nineteen seventy four and stayed with brother. Oh, Cyrus and his family. He quickly learned that the ex members were divided into two camps. One camp. Still felt a strong connection with the process. The other camp had parted with the process on bad terms. But Robert was determined to win them over he promised things would change. Through these meetings a plan surfaced, they would rent a place together. And the new Boston chapter of the process would emerge. They found a house in Waltham Massachusetts that had been divided into four apartments. It was perfect. They compiled a list of those interested in moving to Waltham yet in order to afford, the rent only, those who had jobs or were employable were selected for the move many potential members left over the rule. Those who remained amassed just enough cash for two of the four apartments they moved in at the start of November of nineteen seventy four and began the process again shortly thereafter, some of the ex members who had been previously rejected from the apartment list somehow scraped enough cash together to rent a third unit. But despite their best efforts the process redux was confused mess. There was no official hierarchy Robert was a teacher, but not a leader. Additionally, there was the issue of money when originally formed members were mostly middle class and brought together through therapy sessions. Now, those with money were given clear preferential treatment over those without creating a caste system that irked many of the members the initial plan was to save up. So they could leave civilization for a remote area of the United States set up a center and lead missions into urban areas. Ex-members saw themselves as the future priests of the process. However, no one seemed to know where the new center would be suggestions ranged from New Mexico to somewhere in the midwest. Robert didn't seem in any hurry to make a decision. He claimed that this was because he was waiting for God to show him the way, but more than likely he wasn't used to making the decisions and found the responsibility overwhelming Robert deferred decisions to brother Asya who many assumed was their new leader as. As might have been expected his plans, never advanced beyond the development stage. The group lived with brother. Oh, Cyrus until his wife. Tired of sharing her house with Robert Amore Ghana and kicked them out. Things weren't going well for Robert and he knew it at some point in late nineteen seventy four Robert met with Marianne New York where she had been living the hadn't seen each other. Since March Robert had hoped for a reconciliation, but they're volatile seven hour meeting nixed. The idea he spent the next two months finally extricating himself from Marianne which wasn't easy. She forced him to negotiate for copies of his own writing. In a letter Robert wrote, quote over eleven years, I estimate the income of the process to be close to five million dollars which was made possible by my contribution yet. Despite this declaration, Robert demanded only fifty thousand dollars. From the foundation his reasons for undercutting himself remain, unknown after the months of back and forth Maryanne and Robert officially divorced in January of nineteen seventy five and Robert thought he was having a tough time with Marianne. The foundation members were in for a rude shock in the wake of the divorce Marianne grew completely unchecked. According to Thomas Wylie, quote as extreme as she was when partnered with Robert alone, she soon became a monster. Back in New York. Marianne was determined to make the foundation a booming.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

04:33 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Also did charity outreach providing free hot meals and secondhand clothing to the homeless the charity work helped a little to restore their image. And on March eighth nineteen seventy-two Sanders American publisher settled out of court with the process as per the settlement terms, the American publisher removed all references to the process from future editions of Sanders's book and official statement from the publisher absolve the process of any alleged connection with Charles Manson Marianne. Decided to forego compensation. The court victory was the only reward she needed the process still had a pending liable case against Sanders English publishers, but Marianne didn't let that bother her for the first time since stool, it seemed as though the process church was on the upswing. No, one would have guessed that in just a few short years the entire Kalt would explode in a moment, the straw, that would break the process church. Now, the conclusion of our story. After their victory in a libel. Suit in March of nineteen seventy-two the process church seemed headed in the right direction. However in the year that followed thirty nine year old Robert de Grimson plunged into a deep depression, Forty-three-year-old Marianne and the other senior process members saw his behavior as increasingly unpredictable and Marianne started to assume more control of the church at the same time. She prepared for their liable case with Ed Sanders publishing company in England it's unclear whether it was due to nerves or overconfidence, but the grim Grimsson didn't appear in court and sent their inner circle in their stead which turned out to be a huge mistake in March of nineteen seventy four the process lost their libel case against the English publisher and were ordered to pay an undisclosed amount of court fees. This loss added pressure to the already strain degrom sins marriage. As it turns out during Robert's time of depression, he had taken a protege under his wing named more Ghana. She joined the church initially in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven deserted for a few months, and then returned at some point she moved in with the grim stones and the relationship between mentor and protege turned sexual Marianne, reportedly encouraged, Robert and more Ghana's sexual relationship at first that is until they developed feelings for each other on March twenty third one thousand nine hundred seventy four Robert was removed from office on March twenty sixth to senior members approached Robert to relinquish is right to process related properties. On March twenty seventh Robert left for Mexico with one thousand dollars and more Ghana. The process was left in a state of uncertainty following Robert's departure Marianne completely eradicated Robert from the church his pictures and writing were excised after the may of nineteen seventy four issue of the process magazine to further remove themselves from Robert the process, rebranded. I does the foundation church of the millennium later as the foundation faith of the millennium. Robert meanwhile, wanted to restart the process after Mexico he and more Ghana returned to New Orleans and tried to set up shop, but it was ultimately a bust. They couldn't recruit members, however members and other cities had reached out to Robert they wanted his guidance so on July twenty seventh nineteen seventy four Robert flew to New York City and hung out with two dozen ex-members at Washington square park. They never officially discussed reforming yet. The turnout was hopeful. Later, Robert met with an Egyptian ex member from Boston who went by the alias, brother. Oh, Cyrus a spiritual aficionado brother versus energy reinvigorated. Robert after several phone calls. The two men decided to relaunch the process in Boston. It was a practical solution the process church had many ex members in being town left adrift after Marianne closed. The Boston chapter plus having no competition from Marianne. And what was now called the foundation met a fresh start for the process Robert arrived in Boston on October fifth nineteen seventy four and stayed with brother..

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:25 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Thirty members shared a top floor loft with over twenty German shepherds it's unclear whether Maryanne and Robert were still looking for a city where they hoped the process church would flourish or if they were just auditing deportation either way, they never planned to stay in New York for that long. It was supposed to be a brief stopover as members sold magazines to fund their return trip to England the process eventually amassed enough for two dozen members to board an ocean liner bound for London. But when they arrived, the majority were denied entry to the country, the British government had enacted a policy to bar non-citizens who wanted to join the church of Scientology from entry because the degrom skins were former Scientologists. The government likely wrote off the process as a splinter group stranded process members made their way to Amsterdam instead a chapter formed there, but folded quickly the members moved to Hamburg, Germany in the fall of nineteen sixty eight the degrom stations moved to nearby Omar alma Gow, Germany. They were moved by the city's beauty and wanted to set up a chapter there. But they were alternately forced to move again as they didn't have enough cash to set up shop Marianne said that signs from God indicated that they should go to Italy. She had also heard that Catholic monasteries were available to cheaply rent the at the places. The degrom sins wanted were either too pricey or they would have to share with a Catholic order. Apparently, God wanted the Grimsson Italy, just not near any of his other religions. The process had hit rock bottom. Members were scattered all over Europe that a grim skins were squatting in a rat infested hotel, but Christmas was coming soon. And the church got word that a few members had settled in Rome. So the couple decreed the process should reunite in the eternal city at the end of nineteen sixty eight in Rome, process members had rented a large house for surprisingly little money, it proved to be a good setup and Marianne felt the church could camp out there for a while. The degrom Ston stayed in a separate apartment and got to work summoning the members that had been scattered to the winds as well as recruiting new members by January of nineteen sixty-nine. They needed another apartment to provide lodgings for the influx of members,.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:53 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Means fabricating exclusivity with needless weightless or continually limited supply in this case it meant making lower level members Shumpert through hoops before they could. Really belong. Anyone who ever wanted to be a popular kid in high school will identify with the want to be part of the in crowd, and that made many members work harder for Marianne approval for much longer than they otherwise might have had. They already felt like they fully belonged. It wasn't the only method of control Marianne began exerting over her followers, given her past as a sex worker Marianne knew how to control others with their desires. So she and Robert created a system senior members were segregated into mothers and fathers new remembers into daughters and sons, daughters and sons were advised to pick a father or mother as their spiritual parent to have sex with though the grim stations made it seem like they could choose Wiley believes that Marianne had a strong guiding hand in the selections on the surface these relationships for like marriages, the members were even given union ceremonies yet. These unions were flexible there was a situation where a female process member and to the union with her spiritual father, only for a younger male member to declare her his spiritual mother, the female member accepted, both her spiritual father. And spiritual son this resulted in an intimate six degrees of separation among the process members Marianne had an objective when she and Robert assumed control over their members. Liaisons according to American spirituality, experts, Diana, all stead and Joel Kramer, quote to control a person sexually is to have control over a basic aspect of human life. These intersecting relationships fostered a deep connection among members encouraging them to remain in the church. In addition, their dependence on the church was solidified by the fact that those who underwent the grueling number of tests and classes to join the process sold off their possessions as show of commitment, of course, once officially in. There was little hope of advancement many the process senior ranks had joined around nineteen sixty eight at the latest the members in the degrom stints inner circle had been with the process since about nineteen. Sixty five promotions for junior members were few and far between consequently the process lost a lot of members. However, leaving wasn't simple members who deserted had no right to the money. They aren't for the process. So they truly had to figure out a way to start from scratch one process member admitted to applying for jobs and secret the second he was hired..

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:26 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"His writings grew steadily more apocalyptic until he finally designed mission statement that defined the processes goal. The mission statement was inspired from the book of revelation and the fourth verse of the seventh chapter it stated that one hundred forty four thousand human souls would survive Armageddon. Did it Grimsson stated that the one hundred forty four thousand survivors would be one hundred forty four thousand process members disseminated throughout the world. But to boost their numbers by one hundred forty three thousand nine hundred people they needed to get busy recruiting emission that proved to be a slow. Going as it had been in London. Hundreds of people reportedly visited the Royal St. chapter, but only six joint because their church was split between New Orleans and London. They were spread thin financially to help both their financial status, and they're recruiting tactics that a Grimsson filed for church Inc. On June twenty first nineteen sixty seven as a recognized church. There panhandling was sanctioned as tax exempt donations. It helped the church stay afloat and also laid out a clear path for where they would set up their next chapter houses, namely, the cities that also recognize them as a state sanctioned church. The process found that the majority of their new recruits fell into one of three categories middle to upper class youth who valued a higher calling over finding a career college students who were unhappy with their majors and uncertain about their life path and finally lost souls who crave. A family family was very important to Marianne. She chose members new names and titles which was their way of rejecting societies great forces if a recruit also known as an outside process was promoted to the lowest rank of messenger. They would get a new name later senior members were given secret sacred names uttered only in their ranks company. This was a fairly brilliant ploy. I'm Marianne part. It created an environment of exclusivity for lower level members to aspire to this is actually a move used in business to drive product sales. The fabrication of exclusivity, according to Rashawn Roberts with business insider, people will always want to be on the other side of the velvet rope. Sometimes this.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

03:43 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"He believed that the coup and the six days war were proof that the process church was at the center of history. Repressive civilization was crashing down around them leaving room for a new truer religion. This idea was reflected in Roberts writings which were growing more apocalyptic. He produced several books and essays which process members later printed on a Heidelberg press in the back of their coffee house while they were on their extended. Holiday Marianne still found ways to micromanage from afar. She would call the call to check in and make sure the five members she considered her inner circle were running things to her liking. But under the Grimm skins remote guidance. A new culture emerged at some point the process started to believe their own hype. They were the chosen ones and any real or perceived slight was met with swift condemnation Wiley personally attested to this as the head of the art department. He was responsible for the magazines graphics and layout one month, he decided to feature Marianne faithfull on the cover of the magazine and the issue yielded a decent number of sales. The degrom skins trusted Wiley to repeat this success. With the next issue this time, widely put Mick Jagger on the front cover and bumped Robert to the inside back cover. Instead, the decision was purely economic widely felt Jagger would further boost sales, but Marianne was. Amused. She didn't like seeing another man on the cover of her magazine. She screamed a wildly over the phone who do you think you are you betrayed us all as punishment for his sacrilege Marianne made Wiley sell all fifty thousand copies of the Mick Jagger issue by himself, then fellow members who had initially approved of the cover turned on wily saying it was all his idea, but Wiley was determined to win back Marianne good favor. He's spent weeks pounding the pavement, hustling, magazine subscriptions and eventually sold. Every last copy not only did this poll widely back into the fold it helped the degrom skins realize what a cash cow they had on their hands. After that selling. The magazine was no longer on a volunteer basis. It was mandatory for all members and with their coffers refilled. The degrom students were able to continue their world tour searching for a place where the process church. Church could flourish. They found such a sanctuary in a city already well known for eccentric city and niche religions New Orleans, Louisiana Marianne in particular liked New Orleans, a place where outlandish behavior was a staple of the tourism culture. The degrom skins were quick to set up shop on Royal street in the summer of nineteen sixty-seven in the heart of the French quarter. Members began trickling over from London to join them. They brought their black uniforms and capes with them which caused a stir with the locals as did their English accents and Marianne six German shepherd dogs much as they had in London. They set up a coffee shop on Royal street and began pitching their beliefs over a Cup of morning brew. The big easy became a second home for the process church Maryanne, even summoned the five followers who had stayed behind install to Louisiana for the first time in several years. Membership was growing again. Maryanne and Robert felt renewed and began to develop plans that would take the church far past their too small chapters into Orleans and London in a moment. The process church settles in to the.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

01:41 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Visit the coffeehouse if the by. Did visit members could coerce the buyer into an empathetic session. An empathetic session was not dissimilar to a therapy session much like the sessions. The process church had been conducting before they moved to Mexico. It was their major recruitment tool based on techniques Marianne learned while she was a part of the church of Scientology yet as the process made inroads with new members the degrom sins isolated themselves. Marianne now called the oracle was the muse to Robert the teacher together. They were the omega. Robert preferred to write rather than socialize producing thundering scriptures full of bizarre ideas about the gods. The process church believed in and air you diet theories on the meaning of life once the basement coffee shop and magazine were lucrative enough to cover costs and the process. Members could fend for themselves that a grim sins took off on a tour to find a home for the church outside of England. Although widely later noted that it sounded more like a luxurious holiday for the grim Steyn's rather than a fact-finding mission. Robert and Marianne arrived in Athens. Greece on April twentieth. Nineteen sixty seven the day before the government was overthrown. But they didn't let a little Khuda ta wreck their travel plans the eventually made their way to Israel. They left just before the tensions between Israel and neighboring states erupted into the six day war. The degrom stands reportedly heard gunfire as their boat left. The Israeli harbor Robert felt these conflicts were somehow linked to the process..

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:51 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"First betton Buddhists to start a European monastery who held court with a group of devotees, while intoxicated Paul McCartney of the Beatles and Marianne faithfull girlfriend of the Rolling Stones lead singer, Mick Jagger, widely even became a shoulder. Beatles manager Brian Epstein to cry on Epstein wept to Wiley about his business mistakes is drug and gambling addictions and his closeted homosexuality. Widely later said that it was nice to feel like the two of them had some kind of value to one another this excess of the basement coffeehouse also allowed the process to branch out into other areas. They taught classes gave lectures screened films and held ceremonies. They also performed skits. Such as great priest meets great beasts where a member posing as the pope debated another member posing as British occultist, Alister, Crowley. Yet, despite the number of people who flocked to their coffeehouse and other processes events, very few joined, the processes message of mankind's imminent, doom didn't resonate with Londoners caught up in the exuberant summer of love widely said, quote, we were changed Ling's misfits mutants those rare few who had looked into the abyss and returned. We must have been terrifying. What really set the process apart where their outfits as rituals were invented they adopted a uniform that consisted of black garb knee length capes and standing collars this invited. Further scorn from the press who labelled them satanists and called them the mind benders of Mayfair Marianne wholeheartedly embraced the controversy. She used it to help sell the church's new magazine, a two color tabloid dubbed the common market. The magazine was purposely outlandish and tried to shock their readers. The first issue railed against England for joining the European Economic Community comparing the EC to the book of revelations seven headed beast, these views only further isolated the process not that Marianne cared. From her perspective critics were gray forces steeped in their own mediocrity. The plebs who disagreed with or ridiculed the process. Likewise, deserved scorn. She loved hearing people were offended by the subject matter than happily. Thumbed her nose at thority as members took to the streets to sell their magazine. They quickly discovered the content matter less than their approach wildly said, quote, if they liked you, and you had high energy and a good spiel they bought a magazine for potential new recruits, the magazine proved to be an excellent conversation starter if a process member was able to convince someone to buy magazine they could persuade the buyer to.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

03:19 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Last week, we focused on the lives of Maryanne and Robert de Grimsson from their contrasting childhoods to their fateful meeting in the church of Scientology their psychotherapy group. Their disastrous search for paradise and they're return to London in nineteen sixty six. Finally, we covered their migration to the United States in nineteen sixty seven in this episode. We will turn our spotlight to the members of the process church of the final judgement. We will examine who they were. And what became of the church after the grim skins marriage fell apart? The process church had been squatting in an abandoned salt factory in stool, Mexico until November nineteen sixty six when the factory was destroyed by hurricane as all. But five members fled back to London even more devoted to the church than they had been when they left a female process. Member said, quote, I remember coming back to England with a sense of invulnerability and power that so help me I had never experienced in my life. I was convinced that it came from God it was a bit feeling like superwoman many of her fellow members. Agreed when they were starving and stool, God had washed up a fish when they needed shelter. God had directed them to the salt factory in the eyes of the church members. God had taken care of them completely. According to author and sociologist William SIMS Bainbridge who researched the process after having been a member for several years, quote, the hypothesis that God existed. Intervened in the process seemed confirmed by a number of experiences the cult had at this period Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the rest of the episode. Just remind her she's not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks, greg. The members of the process church had given everything to the degrom Stein's money. Time belongings the sunken cost made it extremely hard for members to recognize the fact that their leaders were just guessing that perhaps there was no divine plan. Instead, the members interpreted all trials and triumphs as messages from God in a case of pollyanna syndrome, gone wild, for instance, surviving hurricane I Knez prove that God wanted them to tough it out in Mexico. Instead, they took it as proof that God wanted them back in civilization where they could share their knowledge with others, all but five members less. Mexico. The five who stayed were determined to hold down the fort until the degrom stations returned secretly Marianne had no plan to do. So but their devotion gave her status which she was never wanted to turn away. So she obliged them by nineteen sixty seven the process were back at the mansion at two Belfer a place in London they needed money. So they opened a coffee shop in the basement, according to Timothy Wiley, one of the first process members, it became quite the place to meet unusual characters who appeared to feel secure enough to let down their masks, those unusual characters included a meditation master named chug him Trunka Rimba shea one of the.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:17 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Next week. We'll delve into the conflicting personalities that initially drew that Grimsson together, and that ultimately became the undoing of the process church. Thanks again for tuning into cults. We'll be back with part two of the process church next Tuesday. You can find more episodes of cults as well as olive park casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at podcast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll see you next time cults was created. By max Cutler, and is a production of Cutler media, and is part of the podcast network. It is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler sound designed by David Turk with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller. Additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Carly Madden. Cult is written by Simone for nearly and stars. Greg Poulsen and Vanessa Richardson. You have the suspect's fingerprints at the crime scene. You have witnesses testifying that they saw the suspect commit the crime. The suspect has motive it's an open and shut case. Or is it each week my show not guilty examines? Controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. You'll discover the ins and outs of how police I investigate a case by working the scene of the crime, taking witness statements following leads and identifying possible suspects. Then you learn how the evidence collected actually plays out in the courtroom and how the jury reaches their verdict. How should we determine a person's guilt? Do we defer to the evidence discovered by police or the verdict reached by a jury and what happens when the evidence and the verdict don't line search for an subscribe to not guilty on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcast. Tests again, search not guilty or visit par cast dot com slash not guilty to listen now.

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

09:03 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Established what they believed was a connection with non-proportional intellects who they called beings. Process. Members would test these beings with questions and would arrive at a collective answer, which they attributed to having been provided by the beings. But after a couple of months the process members felt that even though they would never be able to afford a private behavior island. They had at least earned enough to leave the Bahamas and find their permanent home. They asked the beings where to go next and every process member simultaneously received a joint answer Mexico. The beings led the group to Merita the Yucatan regions capital city. They arrived on a rickety bus towards the end of the summer. Nineteen sixty six between the move to the Bahamas and the move to Mexico. Membership of the process had dropped down to twenty five. Many former followers were either tired ran out of money what the rest foraged onwards and rented a small fisherman's cottage in the village of c cell, but having spent all their money on the move. They had little to spare for food they tried to fish. But were in arguably horrible at it. They only got their first real meal when a. Fish washed up in front of their cottage the process hailed the incident as a miracle. The Grimsson meanwhile took to exploring the surrounding area during one of many amateur expeditions. They stumbled upon an abandoned nineteenth century salt factory left in the ruins of stole a small Yucatan village the process decided that the large factory was much more their style and quickly settled on the property that only led to more challenges with no fresh water on the premises process. Members made repeated journeys to the village of chew burner Puerto to fill a five gallon water tank. They had to carry the tank on a pole for over two long, mosquito Laden miles in the summer, heat surviving off coconuts, and whatever fish they were lucky enough to catch member soon became emaciated, the grim skins continued their evening meditation sessions over time the processes the G began to take. Shape. The beings were redefined as the four gods of the universe. The four gods were equals in the eyes of the process each represented, the dual nature of mankind Jehovah represented man's strength. And leadership yet also totalitarianism Lucifer was the bringer of light. Yet was also known for a looseness Satan was the fire of inspiration and man's decadence. Jesus Christ represented both unification and victimhood. It was also around this time that MacLean began manipulating followers to compete for her affections and further elevate her to a goddess like status. She developed a habit of elevating someone as her favorite, then discarding them, just as quickly not even more was safe from her whims. He wrote quote McLean knows. She plays games around people. The whip followed by the carrot followed. By the whip McLean was a master of. It and quote yet this casual flip-flop between cruelty and kindness didn't bother more or the other process members their Spartan existence. Install had taught them to think in terms of extremes. The interpreted everything as a spiritual reenactment of trials previously endured in past lives. Subconsciously imprinted in their minds process. Members spent evenings in hut. She held court as she made cutting observations about everyone in her presence and gave them bizarre advice, for instance, widely adopted a pet Bulla constrictor after MacLean told him that in a past life. He was the serpent in the garden of Eden. Still despite the eccentricities the process finally had a home. But that would soon change thanks to hurricane Anna's. I Ness touchdown in nearby Tempe. Go Mexico on October tenth nineteen sixty six with winds exceeding. One hundred forty miles per hour. Wiley recalls standing atop a cliff and watching in horror as the waters receded. He told the others the water would return to wipe them out. He wasn't the only one who feared this. The British embassy personally visited the process to advise them to evacuate however, apart from two or three process members who took the advice of the British embassy and left the others opted to trust in the degrom since belief that the four gods would shield them from the worst of the hurricane. They ended up taking cover and a whole that had been dug out for a building foundation that year hurricane as claimed two hundred ninety three lives and caused forty million dollars in property damage across the Caribbean. The process hadn't suffered a single casualty, but they didn't get away completely unscathed. Hurricane Knez had destroyed everything that process members had built they. I took this as a sign that they're Lynn adventures were over. It was time to return to civilization in November of nineteen sixty six process. Members phone their parents and made the necessary arrangements to return to England when they arrived the process immediately began recruiting new members with a little more success than before their trip. They set up a hierarchy to honor those who had been with the group since before Mexico newcomers were labeled oh Ps short for outside process. They were at the bottom of the hierarchy known as the messengers above the messengers were the prophets. Then the priests and above the priests were the masters, the masters were men and women who had spent the longest amount of time in the process and ranked second only to the grim since themselves despite the our appearance of success and growth the group had never financially recovered from their tropical vacation while. While the bell four-place mansion gave the impression of wealth members were virtually broke after their misfortunes in Mexico. So they opened a cafe in the mansion's basement dubbed Satan's cavern process. Members bus tables and saints cavern and charmed customers with incessant Flannery. Eventually they convinced patrons to have an impact session like the meter sessions McLean cribbed from the church of Scientology using a similar machine. They called the peace cope, eventually the peace. Cope was set aside as process members felt confident in their own telepathic abilities. Meanwhile, the process had taken on a more disciplined way of life. They awoke at the same time eight breakfast together and were signed tasks for the day if they weren't administering sessions. They peddled their magazine on the streets. The magazine was initially titled the common market, but was later renamed the process around this time. Moore also produced several books and essays that process members printed on a Heidelberg printing press behind Satan's cavern these books two of which were titled humanities, the devil and Jehovah on war suggested that when Christ told his followers to love their enemy. He was really instructing them to love Satan in nineteen sixty seven the cafe and literature sales were doing well enough and new members were donating enough that the grim sins were able to take their teachings on a world tour in April they toward the Middle East reaching Israel by may in June. They landed in Turkey while abroad, the degrom sins instructed their followers through letters and phone calls. They continue to search for a new place to call home has Londoners still largely regarded them as a cult. It was then that the Grimsson turned their attention towards the United States. They took note of an entire generation of young Americans in search of their place. Amid changing political and social landscape and realized it might be a place ripe for the picking once again, they took a leap of faith. The process set up a chapter on Royal street in the French quarter in New Orleans, Louisiana, June twenty first nineteen sixty seven the Grimsson filed an article of incorporation and officially re-christened their group as a bona fide religion the process church of the final judgement. The degrom tins had big plans for their little church. Neither could have guessed that soon. Everything they built would begin to unravel until they were left with nothing. Not even one another. Next

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

05:22 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"They began to refer to their organization as a religion even hinting that McLean might herself be a goddess the couple officially rebranded compulsions analysis as the process in nineteen sixty five the new name was a possible allusion to McLean in Moore's tenure in the church of Scientology derived from the terminology Scientologists us. To describe the transition from a normal to a clear state. They saw it as the beginning of new religion steeped in psychological, manipulation and doomsday fear tactics. It would be labeled a cult from its very, inception and McLean and more had never been so proud. We'll see the inception of the process church after this. Now back to the story in nineteen sixty five thirty year old Robert Moore and thirty four year old Marianne McLean, morphed compulsions analysis into something brand new they called their group the process, and it wasn't the only name change the couple made at some point in the nineteen sixties, but cleanin more had gotten married yet McLean, reportedly insisted that more changes surname does something more exotic and sophisticated they settled upon dick Grimsson, which was a family name barred from Moore's distant ancestors, but not. Everyone loved the changes that were being made after her sister had been extracted from the call too few months earlier, Holly, no longer wanted to be part of the process, but she was shamed. For wanting to leave and felt immense. Guilt about her lack of commitment. Mclean was a master manipulator and knew how to keep followers in the fold. It took several months before Holly could finally extricate herself from the grim sins and the process she later told the Sunday Telegraph in nineteen sixty six that the grim sins had turned the atmosphere in the mansion into one of guilt and subservience that dipped into the occult with things like spirit, channeling she insinuated that the process was occult, and she wasn't the only one magazines newspapers in London scathingly nicknamed the process the mind benders of Mayfair such allegations didn't sit well with parents several of whom weren't as well connected as how star cook one such. Case involved a seventeen year old named Jonathan depar- Jonathan became acquainted with the process through his older brother Christopher who was already well established within the group. Their parents had been upset when Christopher had started spending all his time and money in this rumored cult so when they're younger son started attending meetings enough was enough. The departures took the process to court to make them stay away from Jonathan. Unfortunately, an envelope of the prosecution's entire legal strategy was mistakenly mailed to the Balfour place mansion giving the process and advantage. They won the case. And Jonathan was allowed to remain with the cult such victories. However, didn't protect the process from ridicule. More had arranged to give lectures at Oxford Union and the London School of economics, his apocalyptic rants got more laughed out of both institutions. It was a demoralizing experience that left members. Shaded they began to realize that their own country would never accept them. So in may of nineteen sixty six it was decided that the process needed to get away from western civilization. If it had any chance of truly flourishing before the move overseas. The degrom sins tried to recruit new members to help pay for the relocation costs, but they hit a snag because the process had been labelled a cult. Nobody knew wanted to join they were stuck with the thirty some followers already among the ranks and a smaller pool of savings than they would have preferred MacLean finally decided that the Bahamas would be the perfect place to settle since. She imagined it as a tropical exotic place where the locals would be more open to alternative brands of spirituality. Apparently, nobody told her that the Bahamas have been a staunchly Christian nation since the late sixteen hundreds to better fund their pilgrimage process members sold off their possessions and on June. Twenty-third nineteen sixty six bid goodbye to their distraught. Families. They relocated to Nassau the capital city of the Bahamas initially the grim sins plan to purchase their own island by pooling money from some of their wealthier followers, trust funds and inheritances. But for whatever reason that plan fell apart once they were on the ground. The group was stuck in NASA. Still to be stuck in the Bahamas wasn't too bad. They quickly found it three story. Wooden mansion that overlooked swimming pool and settled into what they hoped would be temporary accommodations. It wasn't as big as the bow foreplay smashing. But the exotic tropical atmosphere was a far cry from dreary London. The members found jobs in Nassau and often spent their lunch hours in the pool every evening. The degrom sins joined members poolside to teach and meditate in their meditation sessions several process members established

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

14:51 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Cults. You have the suspect's fingerprints at the crime scene. You have witnesses testifying that they saw the suspect commit the crime. The suspect has a motive. It's an open shut case. Or is it each week my new show not guilty examines? Controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. La- police considered compelling evidence against Casey Anthony in the disappearance of her daughter Kayleigh defense attorneys classified as fantasy forensics, and she was acquitted of Keighley's murder. Amanda Knox served four years in an Italian prison for murder before later being acquitted was the media portrayal of knocks the profile of a killer or televised character assassination and sometimes jurors are responsible for wrongful convictions. As was the case when the central park five were convicted despite DNA. Evidence showing none of the suspects were involved search for and subscribe to not guilty on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Again, search not guilty or visit podcast dot com slash not guilty to listen now. Now back to the story in nineteen sixty two twenty seven year old Robert Moore dropped out of architecture school, suddenly and without warning. He had found renewed purpose within the church of Scientology much to the surprise of Moore's former classmates shortly after joining he met a woman who would soon capture his imagination thirty one year old Marianne McClain who was a year into her membership and had already risen to the rank of auditor her job was to monitor psychotherapy sessions with the use of an electro Cy commader or e meter an auditor like McLean would administer a stress test to each individual using series of questions. She then use the meter to gauge their reaction. But when Moore was first introduced to MacLean, it wasn't exactly love it for site. Moore wrote quote mcclain's brash exterior and her general air of supreme confidence had offended me and probably threatened. My masculinity and quote, yet his initially rotation with her subsided as they found that they both shared an interest in psychology, specifically, more and McLean admired the work of Austrian psychologist. Alfred Adler Adler believed that every human being was in pursuit of a goal. And once actions were driven by unconscious motivations more grew to see the human mind as a labyrinth of complexities that went around in a circle and endless cycle of misery or superiority, but despite his voracious reading on the subject more struggle to grasp psychology beyond the abstract McLean. However was more analytical in her approach has a former sex worker her survival had wants dependent upon her ability to read clients to determine their needs. She was a master of scrutiny facial expressions tire turn of phrase. Everything was a small window into someone's personality. This ability to read. Others likely aided her as an auditor convincing people to return to Scientology time and time again, according to author James r Lewis the objective of the initial service is to create for the novice away win, which may spark interest in additional services, the church of Scientology staff held McLean in high esteem as an auditor that reportedly offered her much higher positions within the church, but she repeatedly refused them. She evidently liked being an auditor probably because it allowed her to have complete control. She enjoyed the control so much that eventually she began refusing to follow Scientology script and conducted her own evaluations. She liked knowing more about people than they knew about themselves. But that didn't mean McLean refused. More training in nineteen sixty three thirty two year old McLean underwent rigorous training for six weeks until she was clear. It was a difficult process. But was made. Slightly easier by the presence of her new friend Robert Moore who was also in the class the church of Scientology referred to the state of clear as when an individual becomes free of compulsions traumatic events and involuntary feelings when Moore and MacLean were officially declared clear, it meant they could officially help others become clear towards the end of their training McLean provided therapy to more these intimate sessions were spent facing each other across a small table. More talked while McLean, mainly listened more wrote, quote, I'd found real contact perhaps for the first time in my life. And I was in love and quote for her part MacLean welcomed Moore's and patchy Shen and the two became romantically involved. However, it didn't come without a price. Mclane provided comfort and security, but in exchange, she demanded absolute control this put her at odds with the church of Scientology. And they started listening in on her sessions when she discovered his sessions have been bugged acclaimed grew enraged and left Scientology, an infatuated more willingly followed, but the couple didn't go empty handed. They stole an eater. From the auditing office's equipped with the eater and Adler theories on self actualization, the couple resolve to help others connect with their inner selves more had an idea about who they could help. I he has some school friends. He hadn't spoken to in a year. Perhaps it was time for a class reunion in nineteen sixty three twenty three year old Timothy Wiley was a fellow architecture student at Regent Street polytechnic and had been a close friend more during his university stint their friendship was somewhat inevitable as they took the same bus route home in those days. So when more phone wildly out of the blue after a year of radio silence. Wiley was happy to hear from his friend more. Told wyle that he had founded a new psychotherapy method with Marianne McLean. The needed a Guinea pig to tested on as they turned out the kinks. Wiley was already paying his way through school as a practice patient for a student psychologists. So he figured why not try this out too. But from the first moment, Wiley met McLean. He distrusted her having known Moore's first wife and children while he saw McLean as a home, wrecker McLean, of course, knew how to win Wiley over she sent more to fetch coffee and asked why questions about himself while he admits he enjoyed the attention from clain, even as she became increasingly invasive Wiley said, quote, I was flattered of course, who wouldn't be. We all like to think we are special in our own secret hearts, and quote, these sessions, however were different from the ones McLean audited as a scientologist McLean felt the official auditing process converted people into puppets for Scientology. Founder L Ron Hubbard. She and more favored a more existential approach, they asked questions, and they're stolen eater measured the electrical resistance on the skin of Wylie's hands. The results were displayed on a meter and interpreted as his unconscious emotional response. The line of questioning what eventually turn to how one might be unwittingly sabotaging their purpose in life. Mclean would ask him philosophical things. Like what the consequences would be should one fail to find their purpose. Why Lee said quote McLean was a master at tickling out answers, and quote, these sessions with McLean attracted the interest of Wiley and Moore's other friends from Regent Street polytechnic who notice the positive change in wireless demeanor soon. Wylie's neighbors were having sessions with McLean and more but claim supposedly taught them how to channel their past lives and tap into who they were in decades past the excitedly shared their cell. Discoveries. Amongst each other. The group grew to about twelve members by the end of nineteen sixty three all of whom were told that their current issues where the results of actions taken in a past life over time, they became so close to one another that they felt they had shared encounters with each other in past lives. Wylie said, quote, all this gave us the feeling we were onto something big and inevitable, and quote yet while the group believed they were making headway together McLean in more put up a wall between themselves and their patients, the gradually withdrew from the casual meet ups held by other members and conducted private sessions with each other this distance helped them in shroud themselves in mystery and seem more authoritative to their followers. According to American authors, and spirituality experts Diana all stead, and Joel Kramer, quote authority may be vested in some perceived capacity within an individual and quote in other words, Robert and. Marianne were the only ones who knew how to read the eater and as such were lionized by their patients. Meanwhile, McLean continued to exercise control over every aspect of Moore's life more in his first wife had long been separated, but he was still legally married. A fact that McLean wouldn't let him forget McLean. Utilized every possible opportunity to shame him about his previous marriage. She reportedly claimed Moore had deceived. Her yet more was adamant, he loved McLean had no intention of going back to his first wife. Eventually McLean believed him agreed to move into gather. Although in truth, she was probably never all that concerned by Moore's first wife, only using the marriage as a tactic to keep more under her control and groveling in nineteen sixty four the twenty nine year old Moore and thirty three year old McLean. Rented an apartment together on Wigmore street in London. It was likely. No accident that their practice. Near where several licensed doctors performed consultations. This helped the couple to purposefully misrepresent their psychotherapeutic practice as legitimate McLean and more officially dubbed their practice. Compulsions analysis to fit their new image McLean. Groomed. More into dressing, the part more war expensive suits to offset. Mcclain's loose-fitting dresses to see more refined. More also had his blonde hair cut to draw. Attention to his blue is the strategy worked soon membership grew to around twenty people McLean and more held by weekly meetings that they called communication courses together. They taught a crowd of eager young people who hung on their every word as the courses expanded. It was clear McLean and more had stolen more than just the e meter from the church of Scientology the couple had stolen some of the exercises as well. They split up the group into pairs and had them look each other in the eye. I for five minutes without distraction, another exercise involved one patient verbally abusing or harshly criticizing another while the other Baird the insults without betraying emotion. This exercise volved into one patient sitting in the center of a group of about thirty to forty patients. The selected patient would sit quietly as the others shouted the worst insults. They could think of the supposed goal was to break there in additions and through this rediscover themselves by the mid nineteen sixties compulsions analysis was doing so well, but it was able to move out of the Wigmore street apartment and into a mansion on Belfour place in the Mayfair district. The bow four place mansion was leased by patient of McLean and Moores who had recently come into money as with the Wigmore street apartment McLean and more had intentions for the mansion it was to serve as their base to bring together believers and spread their word. However. Several other sources allege that the bell four-place mansion was the first step in McLean. Moore's plan to live like royalty at the expense of their devoted patients as their patients began to see them as status symbols. It was that much easier to entice new followers who had gladly give the money hand over fist, the political activism and freedom of the swinging sixties attracted a lot of young adults to freethinking movements like compulsions analysis popularity came at a price British American journalist and television personality ouster cook had a stepdaughter named Holly who became involved with compulsions analysis in the summer of nineteen sixty five Holly was depressed at the time at initially felt relaxed after therapy sessions. However, these sessions were expensive and all consuming Holly and several other patients were compelled by McLean and more to make a full commitment to compulsions analysis. This not only meant paying. Large fees to McLane and more. It also meant cutting themselves off from friends and family to dedicate themselves full time to the organization while Hawley wasn't trenched in compulsions analysis for sisters Susie visited her in London. Suzy was sixteen years old at the time and naturally curious about compulsions analysis, Holly introduced Susie to McLane and more and soon Susie was part of the group her visit was supposed to be a brief stopover on her way to Paris. But she ended up spending all her travel money on compulsions analysis and began cleaning the mansion from clean and more to make ends meet concerned, Holly and Suzy's mother Jane attended a compulsions analysis session to see what her daughters had been up to the Sacramento incantations and group shaming confirmed her worst fears when Jane told Alistair Cooke about the session, cook reached out to friends in high places to help us stepdaughters one such friend was in America. And ambassador in London named David Bruce, Bruce told McLean and more that because Suzy was a minor her parents had the legal right to remove her from compulsions analysis. But her sister would not get out so quickly by the end of nineteen sixty five Holly had had a total of three hundred therapy sessions with McLean and more. It was only then that she realized what she had gotten yourself into the Clinton more were moving away from psychology with an increasing focus on spirituality. The organization was focusing far less on discovery of the self and far more on the end of days. They

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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

09:32 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"And highly congested due to an influx of immigrants in search of work. It made for appalling conditions and little chance of escaping poverty. Mcclain grew up in the gore bowls. An area on the south Bank of the river. Clyde children played in the muddy alleyways and streets in the shadows of decaying slums with an average of eight residents to one room at an average of thirty residents to a toilet conditions were inhospitable. It was a childhood Marianne would be eager to leave behind. She also suffered from turbulent home life her alcoholic father deserted the family shortly after her birth. Unable to cope mcclain's mother often abandoned her to the care of various relatives. This lack of familial stability would have a devastating impact on McLane. As a developing child Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here. And throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks, greg. According to Dr Joseph are Cohen, quote exposure to physical and emotional neglect in childhood can lead to. Deficits which lay the foundation for psychological distress in early adulthood and quote for McLean. Her perpetual, fear of being abandoned would manifest itself as she became a figurehead in the process church. She manipulated her followers to constantly vie for her attention. She would force them to constantly prove they loved. Her McLean herself has gone on record about her loveless. Childhood reportedly, the only person to show her any semblance of affection of those days was an older man from the neighborhood who treated her like a granddaughter, but even he eventually left her after tragically freezing to death after falling asleep drunk behind a warehouse, a traumatic loss that likely taught McLean. How cruel life could be. One of the things McLean likely saw growing up in the gore bowls was rampant sex work. Abject, poverty, had not only driven many in glasco to go live on the streets and descend into alcoholism many women in the city had resorted to the world's oldest profession to support themselves witnessing how the sex workers plied their trade likely influenced mclean's decision to eventually become a sex worker herself. According to independent social researcher Jane pitcher for some people with a limited range of options. Sex work may be seen as the best of possible. Occupational choices yet sex were came with a very high risk in Glasgow robbery brutality and murder were all regular occurrences. Some clean likely set her sights on the relatively quieter streets of London where she reportedly fell under the influence of pimps from Malta McLean had no formal education outside of an alleged stint in. Reformatories school. But luckily for her she was incredibly street smart. She quickly became a tune to how to satisfy her clients and became a popular. Companion McLean initially took to sex work as a means of survival. But she quickly realized that the intimacy she shared with her clients granted her access to society's upper crust. She formed deep relationships with more than one of her Johns, according to pitcher, this is actually somewhat common in the sex industry. For instance, McLean used to love telling people that she was once briefly engaged to the professional boxer sugar. Ray Robinson who she met through sex work. Apparently their relationship was so passionate that McLean flew out to the United States to live with Robinson in nineteen fifty nine. And whether this is true or not records show that MacLean did. In fact, live in the US for a year when she was in her early twenties, though Robinson son has since. Denied that his father ever knew her either way McLean was back in London by the end of nineteen sixty. After her return clean reportedly worked as a dance hall hostess at Murray's cabaret club on beak street in London. So strict the next year nineteen sixty one would prove monumental to the thirty year old mcclain's otherwise largely undocumented life. They was the year. She joined the church of Scientology's London chapter. There are a lot of reasons as to why people join the church of Scientology, according to the church's official website, quote, Scientology, addresses, the spirit, not the body or the mind and believes that man is far more than a product of his environment or his jeans, and quote, the fact that MacLean became a scientologist strongly hints at a desire to discover within herself something beyond a sex worker or hostess, but she wasn't the only one in search of a change across town. Robert Moore was also seeking a new lease on life a calling that would elevate him to a higher purpose the following year. He would find such a purpose in the church of Scientology, bringing him just a little closer to his future wife. Moore's early years perfectly. Contrast mcclain's a British citizen born in Shanghai China on October eighth nineteen thirty five more return to England with his mother before he was a year old. And unlike McLean, he came from a reasonable amount of privilege and wealth. His ancestry could possibly be traced back to Anne of York. Duchess of Exeter, and the elder sister of King Edward the fourth and king, Richard the third this meant that more may have been part of the house of plan Tajik, it the former Royal house of England which produce some of the kingdom's most famous monarchs, including Richard the Lionheart. But whether he was Royal or not more enjoyed the privilege of well-connected relatives the second of four children. He was raised upper-middle-class many in his family headed Cheever professional success and Moore's parents likely expected the same from him. He was educated at a strict Anglican private school, which he hated. He felt the school was too conservative and repressive and needlessly. Shamed. Its students for their sexuality. He was ready to leave from the moment he walked through the front door. But the prep school wasn't all bad. He excelled in school and was offered the chance. To study at a top engineering university in the UK after graduation, but ever the free spirit more refused. The offer instead deciding to enlist in the military, the impetus behind his decision isn't totally clear, but some of his writings suggests that he was searching for a higher calling that civilian life had yet to give him more served in the British army from nineteen fifty four to nineteen fifty eight his service was largely on eventful, although he saw some action while stationed for six months in Malaysia where his regimen waged war against a communist insurgent movement in nineteen fifty eight at Twenty-three-year-old more transferred back to England where he worked as a transportation unit officer until the end of his service in nineteen fifty nine more enrolled in the Regent Street polytechnic in London known today as the university of Westminster while at university, more married and fathered two children. Ever the passionate student? He once again excelled in school as an architecture student. He challenged convention and inspired fellow classmates to do the same yet in nineteen sixty two that passion vanished along with Moore who dropped out with no notice seemingly leaving his wife and children, but departure was a complete shock his classmates. Suspected more had found something more captivating than architecture day were right two years. Previous in nineteen sixty one of Moore's brothers had joined the church of Scientology and his passion for the church had inspired more to attend a few meetings. More took the Scientology like a fish to water. Suddenly he had found a purpose. And soon a woman who would change the rest of his life. Will learn more about Robert Moore's new life in a moment. According to my dentist my teeth, and especially my gums are in better shape. Now that I've been using my quip electric toothbrush. That's fantastic. 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"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

Cults

05:55 min | 2 years ago

"robert de grimston" Discussed on Cults

"Have you checked out my new show not guilty yet? If you haven't you should give it a listen, it examines controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. It's the perfect podcast. If you love true crime stories with huge twists and turns search for an subscribe to not guilty on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, and please don't forget to rate and review. Due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of material that some people may find -fensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. Nineteen sixty six somewhere in the Yucatan of fallen disciple meditates as he awaits penance for reasons known only to the goddess he's been cast out of the process. He knew this moment would come. The goddess has a history of brutally casting aside her favorites. He's still as stone deep in a trance as bugs crawl over him. He stays like this for three days and two nights until two women approach but goddess wants him back. But when the women take him before the goddess she says his vigil wasn't enough. He begs for mercy. The goddess smirk says fellow disciples taunt him desperate the disciple promises to flog himself. If only the goddess will take him back. She finally agrees all his strength goes into every blow the blood runs from his back yet. He doesn't feel the pain. He's in a state of rapture after his re-acceptance. He tells the others of the euphoria he felt in his flocking. They asked tomorrow his rope excitedly beating themselves until they felt the same. Hi, I'm Greg Paulson. And I'm Vanessa Richardson, and this is cults on the park cast network. Every Tuesday, we look at a cult practices their leader and their followers today. We're taking a deep dive into the lives of Marian McLean and Robert Moore Grimsson to exile tala GIS tes who founded the process church of the final judgement at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help we also now have merchandise had Duparc cast dot com slash merch. For more information. You can listen to previous episodes of cults as well as all of par casts. Other shows wherever you listen to podcasts. A new episode comes out every. Tuesday. Maryanne and Robert de Grimsson founded the process church of the final judgement in London during the nineteen sixties. The degrom sins met has members of the church of Scientology after they were excommunicated the couple married and started a splinter group. Members of the process church were infamous for their hooded black cloaks and self published magazines which attracted both celebrity and controversy there. Most famous doctrine to love Christ. And Satan equally branded the cult as worshipping this belief system the Tory. Sleaze linked the process church to the Manson family murders. The son of Sam killings and dog sacrifices the process church finally dissolved in nineteen seventy four when the Grimsson split. But perhaps most surprisingly after several reinventions the process church still exists today as the best friends animal society, a no kill shelter based. Canabis utah. This week will focus on the lives of the degrom stans their marriage, and the influences that led to the creation of the process church of the final judgement in partout will focus on the cult's association with satanic rituals abuse child neglect, the Grimsson divorce and the end of the process church in his auto biography. Robert Sylvester more later known as Robert de Grimsson recalled a near running with his future wife Mariane MacLean it happened around midnight on a London road back in nineteen sixty more wanted to cross the street to get to a nearby park. He found a pedestrian crossing and confidently stepped off the curb as the law gave pedestrians the right of way. He didn't remember how far he'd gotten across the street when he casually glanced up and saw car speeding right towards him. More realized the driver had no intention of stopping he had seconds. Spare the car was so close that more could see the woman behind the wheel. He called her quote, young handsome, angry with red hair. I jumped backwards she drove past without turning her head, and quote, he didn't know it at the time, but the angry red head was Marianne McLean, though, they wouldn't formally meet each other until a few years later more said that this incident perfectly encapsulated her he compared to a thunderstorm, a heatwave and a blizzard all in one like hostile weather. She was incredibly difficult to define but we will do our best. Marianne McLean was born out of wedlock on November. Twentieth. Nineteen thirty one in Glasgow. Scotland at the time Glasgow was a poverty stricken cesspit of crime and

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