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US Supreme Court: The possible nominees to fill vacancy
"Of you paid attention to who the possible nominees are. People are talking about Amy Kuney Barrett and Barbara Lago do you know but these judges and can you tell us anything about them? Sure I mean there. It's almost certain to be Amy Coney Barrett. Just because trump has generally deferred to actually others throughout his four years especially when it comes to the higher court, the Circuit Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court, and there's really a pretty big consensus around amy. Barrett, there some talk that like trump would be helped in Florida if he went the other way. But I'll be I'll be very shocked if it's not her now she is you know a a more or less. Predictable right wing jurist. I think her her confirmation. We'll have enormous effects just because I think it's clear. She's a reliable vote to overturn Roe v Wade where. Probably, in her absence, they would just continue cutting the meaning of that precedent down. You know because even as of today it's it's been made so hard to get an abortion in the south that weather would wanNA speak of. A meaningful federal right to abortion is already open to question in in many other areas. She'll just confirm that drift to the supreme, court in this liberal direction, which actually some of the Democrats on on the panel have have kind of colluded and in taking it toward in recent decades. So the addition of one person is rarely like catalytic or transformative. Maybe on this one issue of abortion, it would actually lead five of the justices without chief justice, Roberts to overturn Roe v Wade, which might not happen otherwise and I'm not suggesting that's not a big deal. It is, but probably in most other areas of law, it would just be like the same more of the same except more. So so so what are the different ways that you see this playing out Let's say this happened than Biden is elected He then gets to replace I assume the next soon to retire Justice Briar I believe, right? I mean. We. Assume that Clarence Thomas would try to outlast Joe Biden in the same way that Ruth Ginsburg tried to outlast Donald. Anything could happen right and you happen and of course, we should probably talk about interesting relationship between Biden and Clarence Thomas. How much of a? Let's go there. How much did Biden in neighb- ball Clarence Thomas is Supreme Court. Or empower him as a sitting Supreme Court justice while he was instrumental as as the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, I mean you know we can get personal. But in we've all seen, you know whatever the you know the Netflix's reenactment of this level. But you know the truth is that Biden you know maybe like all of us only more so again has been a prisoner of his time all the way along and at that moment The He he responded you know as part of the like con, the comedy of the Senate required. You know he hung out with these other white men and they decided that this wasn't a big enough deal and there was deference even in a democratically controlled Senate to the you know right of the president to nominate a supreme. Court justice when a seat is vacant we've totally given up those those norm sense really as a country, but you know within the Senate to. You know I definitely think he sh- his treatment of Anita Hill is part of the record that we ought to think seriously about it's mainly testament to changing norms in the country about gender and about sexual violence and so I but I. so but I would kind of broaden out to less about his own limitations which may be substantial and more about you know. Where we've come why really starting with Robert bork before through the Clarence Thomas Nomination, and through our time we've we've really converted national politics into like these psycho dramas around filling supreme court seats, and again, the reason is not having to do with any of these individuals Biden Thomas. it's more with what's at stake, which is policy making authority over all Americans and it it is. It's. It's hard to argue that this particular institution auto habit
Big tech CEOs testify before Congress
"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
Charlie Kirk: Coronavirus stimulus
"And you have Schumer Pelosi. In Biden one hundred twenty five years, Charlie Kirk of failure, unmitigated failure, swap failure and I. Think of my kids. You met my son. He's twenty one years old. My daughter's eighteen and I would think about your America their America and when I say you know, live free or die, American, the world on the brink I'm not joking. And very specifically will be probably the biggest choice election by far in my lifetime, and maybe since eighteen sixty, and there's a lot at stake We can go through the issues if you want, but it's. It's there's there's not one issue we agree on that. I can think of for the most part yet, and you wrote this, and it just really sent chills down my spine. You wrote this book to sound an alarm as a warning. Warning to my fellow patriots about the left's undying commitment turn America into a land, our parents, founders and framers wouldn't recognize it. It's perfectly put, and that's the direction that they're headed on page twenty seven. You have a great part about how Ben Franklin says we ever republic. If you can keep it, can you talk more about how this truly is? A referendum election in some sense and the left is trying to do to our country. Well the the story about Franklin's interesting, because it's, it's the constitutional convention and somebody says he comes out one days, says, is it a monarchy republic republic? If you can keep it Reagan, I quote him off. When I give speeches, said Freedom Charlie and you know this is but one generation away from extinction. And you know when if you want understand if socialism is adopted if their stated goal is adopted America as we know, it then becomes unrecognizable look, I can understand psychologically. There's a component of maybe people that that have been indoctrinated in schools, and you're great at this because you're going in to hostile environments every day, and you're saying you know what there's another way of thinking here, so maybe the idea that people think Charlie that some things are oh, everything's going to be free and they're gonNA forgive my loans at I'll have a guaranteed government job guaranteed government food. How did obamacare workout now? We're GONNA have Medicare for all or or double down on the stupidity of Obamacare and guaranteed retirement. Guaranteed vacation sounds great. But simple math shows you that you'll never get there. And that's why in the Fourth Chapter of the book did this whole history of socialism which is a history of failure? The point is look at the issues. If if we're talking about law and order. They've cited in Portland in Seattle and new. York and Chicago with the radicals. Joe Biden his yet that I know of said one good thing about the ninety nine percent of cops protect and serve and put their lives on the line for us every day. You're right. Okay, so law and order taxes. He's pledging to raise your taxes through the roof. That will destroy the economy Then they're gonNA just add all the bureaucracy. The Donald Trump spent almost four years. Eliminating that'll be gone. That means nobody's GONNA WANNA DO Business. That's why the Biden Obama economy was so bad. Then you look at where now energy independent for the first time in seventy five years with a number, one producer of energy in the world will lose that for sure We'll shut down coal fracking. Oil Gas exploration production those tens of millions of jobs high paying jobs career jobs for people. Then it's about amnesty. Or the United Sanctuary states of America versus Border Security and law and order of never mind foreign policy. We haven't even touched that part yet, so. There's a lot at stake. If those plans stated plans are implemented. America will go down the past you know. The Trash bin of history as Reagan, said Freedom One generation away from extinction we will. It I shudder to think what will happen the three you and your children by kids, and and maybe one day grandkids. ARE READY FOR THAT And I love the framing, because as the founder said either we're GonNa live free and defendant right now, or we're gonNA. Have a country that you know. We don't WanNa live it, and that's really the framing. That is so important right now, and you talk about and I'm really pleased about this. Shawn because I think we have forgotten about the Russia hoax too quickly in. In the conservative movement, you have been the leader on this every night. You were covering it. You didn't let us forget you help. Muller Accountable, you had investigative journalism and it just seemed that an Oxana names, but other conservatives just kind of drifted away from like Oh. That's what happened happened. You have two chapters on this in the book. Can you talk about that? Yeah I mean I call it Charlie, the the biggest corruption abuse of power scandal in history and the Ukraine was oh. Okay, we failed with Muller after three years. We won't. We won't even bother with a special prosecutor not to I'm going backwards here but to get to Ukraine. You? Know they're talking about quid pro quos, but you have to ignore their presidential candidate on video saying you're not getting a billion US tax payer dollars unless you're fire. That prosecutor is named Shokhin. WHO's investigating my son Hunter who went on a and said? Do you have any experience in oil? No Gas, no energy, nope, any experience in Ukraine. Nope, why are you being paid millions? No, because you dad, so there was a quid pro quo and millions of dollars for the Biden I call crime family. That's exactly right, so. Listen and China's even worse. You get to this whole thing what we now know and I believe what's coming. It's like, and this is where the media's corrupt because. They're just the propaganda wing of all things democratic. Socialist. We now know and have all the evidence that we'd ever need is that they protected their favorite candidate. Hillary Clinton. For things you and I and everybody you know that follows you and you have a massive audience would. Literally never get away with. If you had subpoenaed emails Charlie Kirk and you decided to delete them, and you decided to acid. Wash your hard drive with something. I had never heard about bleeped bleach bit and bust up your devices with hammers. You'd go to jail. If you violated the espionage act, you'd go to jail. They protected her. Then the narrative began we now know began in August. We know crossfire hurricane representatives actually went to brief. President Trump General Flynn. Flynn on national security, but they were there to try and get information on trump and Russia, the most amazing part of this, because the Democrats and the media live for all these years is that they knew and they said and they wrote, and they even testified. There was never any evidence, but there was a dirty Russian dossier. And now we know even the New York Times acknowledged full full of Russian disinformation and that was used. And they were warned not to use it, but high ranking people abusing their power, wanting to take out candidate, trump, transition, team, trump, and then deep into the Presidency Donald Trump. They use the dirty Russian misinformation dossier to ruin Carter pages life and roomed his civil liberties and constitutional rights, but more importantly to spy on candidate trump, and then they had their insurance policy. The fact that the mob in the media ignores it is beyond comprehension. I have so I have two chapters. One is on the Russia hoax, and the other is on this whole impeachment witch hunt. And I want everybody in your audience to understand one thing here if I can get one point across. Yeah, they hate Donald Trump, but they hate us more. They think we are as Peter. Struck, said the smell by the way I probably shop at Walmart say money. Why not you have a woman I love Walmart I love COSCO's. I Love I love it all. And I've shopped there my whole life I mean people always stopped me when I'm in a grocery? So, what are you doing here? Shopping? Wa I like to eat a cracks me up. So but think about that. smelly Walmart Shoppers while irredeemable deplorables, wow! Bitter Americans as Obama said that WANNA cling to their God. I'm guilty their Second Amendment Rights Guilty Bibles and religion I'm guilty of that, too. But. It's contempt for your audience. It's contemporary my audience. It's because they knew better. And they will ling. This was an attempted coup. Now do I think there's going to be arrests and prosecutions I? Do spend much slower than any of us would have liked, but the evidence is overwhelming. It's incontrovertible sad actually that this could happen. That was going to be my follow up. Question Sean because when I travel and we get thousands of e mails a on this topic. When are people going to go to jail? And can you give me insight on this? Can you give us any clues any crumbs that we're starting to see from Durham? It's I call them. It's funny. You say crumbs because call them the the Attorney General Bar breadcrumbs. It's like Hansel and Gretel. Remember. We're we're trying to follow and see the trail exactly yeah. He did say that the president was spied on. It did happen illegally. The. Think about this. If you go before Judge Judy I wouldn't WANNA lot because Judge Judy I. I've met her once she'll eviscerate. You I watched her show. You. Don't go before a court. The information that you have not verified. It actually said at the top of a FISO Warren Charlie. It says verified. Okay. We now know the dossier was unverifiable. The sub source we now know, said this this bar talk. We were making this up. This was never meant for anything and again Hillary paid for it funneled money separate issue. And so, what is going to happen I don't have a crystal ball but I. do know all of the facts that are in the public. Are Enough to indict many of the names that your audience is most familiar with. I would argue. Komi McCabe struck page. I'd like to know a clapper. Brennan's role in all of this ends up being and and others. The more fascinating deep question is. Will they get to that January fifth twenty seventeen meeting inside the Oval Office? This is when member Biden said George Stephanopoulos Oh I. Don't know. Anything about this, you know this whole impeachment Russia thing. He was the one same. Bring up the Logan Act fifteen days later Susan Rice in that meeting did the Cya memo the day that Donald Trump was inaugurated. Obama in that meeting shot Sally Age by saying a He. He knew everything about the Kislyak Michael Flynn call. If we look. To sum it up. I think we're GONNA get there because the evidence. Is that overwhelming? If we don't. I fear for the country? Because of you. GonNa Raid Manafort's home predawn raid and you're going to raid Roger Stone's home. For lying to Congress by the all many of the names I mentioned were referred for the same crime and you're gonNA. Pull it twenty nine guys in tactical gear, frogmen and tip off CNN cameras and. Have a biased jury for person. We won't have equal justice and equal application of our laws, and worse than that Charlie is. We lose our constitution. Yes, all our laws are are predicated on next great document and some `perfect, but it creates the path to perfection at a more perfect union so. Long answers. I'M GONNA talk. Show I love it. No, this is what our audience needs to hear, and and thank you for that and look I I completely agree because if we do not have people and I, say this as carefully as I can in handcuffs for what they did Donald Trump then I I will lose faith in the American justice system I. Don't want that and I don't want revenge I don't retribution I want people to be held accountable and I would want the same if someone did this to Barack Obama because it should never happen to a leader ever. Yes. and. They've gone after every single trump friend confidant, and yet if you oppose Donald Trump you get different treatment, talk a lot about the constitution in your book and the founding of our country, Sean going to be honest, I've been very let down by some of these supreme. Court decisions lately Can you comment on that and the importance to get more people like Kavanagh? Who's actually ruled brilliantly? Unlike John Roberts. I! I'm a little. I don't know what's happening. Roberts I have my theory I guess I have my sources people that. have their own ideas based on some knowledge? For whatever reason and I think this goes back to the obamacare decision. He has allowed. How the court appears to influence his decision making. I also sense with no evidence whatsoever. You're not a big fan of president trump, but that should not come into his thinking. Now. If getting rid of bureaucracy and lowering taxes and energy, independence, and securing our borders, and law and order are all part of this election. Let me tell you another big part of it. And it's you know we're taping this ninety. Whatever days away from the Election Day, I what about and we got asked. What about the Supreme Court? Yes, I go through a whole list I. Forget what paid maybe sixty seven I forget. A. In the book. Of. All the things Democrats would do if they're getting power one, is they? WanNa, stack the courts. Get rid of the Electoral College. And I. What, they're saying they. WanNa do is scary. They used to hide it Charlie. When I every single Liberal Democrat running for office, they would run to the left in the primary. They race back to the center, but you knew they wanted the left. There now openly embracing the most radical elements in the country and you know. Unfortunately we're watching it all. Play out nightly on TV and and that sad what I see happening when I think we have to remind a trump supporters that these are not trump appointed justices, a gorsuch I think ruled incorrectly on one ruling. That's it besides that gorsuch and cavenaugh have been tremendous and terrific verses Roberts. I just think we have to give the audience a sense. Sense of continued conviction that the trump appointed justices will continue to rule correctly and Clarence. Thomas and you know the the Thomas Family. They get no credit at all. I mean what he has done. And can you comment on that? 'cause I, E, you've actually been you open my eyes to that like eight years ago and I never learned about Clarence Thomas as a high schooler until you I mentioned it just as a quick aside on his incredible career. I like to do on TV and antidote on radio, too. Sometimes I call it the Hannity history, lesson 'cause I lived through all of this. I know this is going to see. You're not even thirty three, but my radio journey started in nineteen eighty-seven crazy right. Now on my twenty fifth year of Fox, I didn't think I last two. So I feel very blessed. As a side note if you haven't read my grandfather's son. Which is about Clarence Thomas is life. It's amazing. But. You know it's interesting because him and Scalia. To my opinion, my to most favorite justices in my lifetime. Scalia this incredible wit and genius and understanding and. They got a little acerbic side to when when he was questioning Clarence Thomas always set by quietly. What they called a high tech lynching at the time, the more modern. Let it. You gotTA. Remember Yeah. And you know. It was then Senator Ted Kennedy you know Robert Bork's America the borking of America. That was Clarence Thomas. Now we see it more recently cavenaugh. It exposes. The, who is Joe Biden? Who is his team? Because Clarence Thomas and Justice Scalia or the people we need on that court. We call them constitutionalists or originalists, the original intent, not people that would sight foreign law as liberal justices have done or not people that feel that they can rule by judicial Fiat and dictate or legislate from the bench. Democrats always wanted the court to do that which they could never. Do legislatively or win at the ballot box and that's why they want. We call them. Activists Justices Clarence Thomas. has shown a fidelity to the Constitution at the Antony Scalia. That is beyond enviable And the differences styles always interesting, too because Justice Thomas will always be quiet. That's very few questions. Anthony Scalia was in there in a wrestling with people. I don't know about John Roberts. I can't get into it, but I do believe the next president United States is a very good chance. You have a lot of older justices may want to retire. And I think that the next this election in just three short months. That's on the ballot and that's that's generational now. And Sean I think we have to pressure the Biden campaign to do what trump did and release a list of justices I mean president trump was so transparent and Joe Biden hasn't done it yet. Intentionally, of course, because he'll probably put repeated to lieber something on the United States Supreme Court I mean as horrifying as that might be so in two two quick closing question Sean and thank you for being so generous with your time anchorage, everyone you know. Know go by live, free or die. the first is this. Can you just talk about? We are heading into the election. A lot of trump supporters. They're failed. They're falling victim. They suppression pulse I wish that wasn't the case, but it seems like the memory of two thousand sixteen as faded where people forget. We were down by double digits. Can you just give a little vote of confidence to some of our listeners out there? That think we're just losing. I WANNA. Give the vote of confidence, but I want people to feel this way. I want people to think I'll use a football analogy that our mutual friend Linda that you know. Who's your biggest fan? My radio producer? He's amazing. Amazing, but she doesn't even know how many points you get a touchdown, so I'm giving these football analogies. I, want this election. I want people to feel the way I feel which is. We're on our own twenty. Two minutes to go. We have no time outs We're down by six. We got a cross. The plane marched down the field, cross the plane and hit the extra point to win. So if people feel a sense of genuine urgency and worry and concern, I'm cool with that because fear often as a great motivator, not irrational field fear, but if people do not vote, you will get the government that they're telling you. They're going to give you believe. That that is their agenda. To be a Republican and win. You GotTa always use this analogy got to run the table I gotTA. Get Florida Georgia North Carolina can't win without Ohio. No Republican's ever become president without it right? You got hold Iowa then you got pick off Pennsylvania Wisconsin hopefully Michigan maybe MINNEA- Minnesota will be play. Maybe the city of Arizona will be in play. By Joe Biden reference for those of you. That didn't get. We got a hold Arizona Gopher Nevada New Mexico. New Hampshire and Maine's second congressional district. If every single mom, this is a battle cry. You started out this interview with this. I wrote this book not because I like writing books. My last book I donated every Penny I made to charity I don't care. It's not that. This is a tipping point. Charlie this is I, don't. See if these policies are implemented how America recovers. Irreparable harm the to the rule of law to our courts to our economy, they want to wipe out the lifeblood of of the world's economy. This this promise of socialism and I go into such detail about how it's always failed. Here's a quick socialism of example. Member obamacare. Keep your doctor keep your plan. Save on average twenty five hundred dollars a year per family right? Okay. Millions lost their doctors. Millions lost their plans. We're all paying about two hundred percent more and add to that. Forty percent of Americans almost forty percent have only one obamacare Biden Carriage James Choice now. How did they do with that promise? Medicare is going broke. How did they do it? That promised social security. Charlie hate the break this here. He paying into it. You probably won't get it I. Barely Skate through, and they might give me ten cents until they means tested and then take it back, How does it? How did Liberal government work in New York City with all the anarchy cutting a billion dollars, so please? How's IT WORKING IN CHICAGO? All. These liberal cities have where the violence we've been talking about takes place. They all have one thing in common. They've been run by Liberal Democrats for decades right. Most of these states have been run into the ground by Liberal Democrats for decades. If you WANNA know what America will look like if Biden Bolshevik Bernie. Pelosi Schumer and Bozo. That team gets place look at new. York state and city look at Chicago the City Illinois. The State Look at California. Look at Oregon. Look at Portland, the city. Look at Seattle. Look at the state of Washington. Yes. And I. Love this country too much. You know it's an all hands on deck moment and Every everyone of you've got this connection with younger people in this country. You have this incredible. A credible platform you built, and it's become powerful and meaningful and transformative to the country, and you're going out there, and you're fighting on these college campuses and you. You know it's not easy to be in the middle of a I call it a shift. Show all the time, but let's well put, but you do it. And it's freedom works. Every time you give up freedom for security, you lose your freedom because the security that they're offering. These promises that can never ever be fulfilled. In America. The land. I'll close with this unless you want to go further I can keep going the. Barry Farber who was a mentor of mine. Just recently passed away like ninety ninety one. And he always said there's never been a country in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power and abused at less than the United States well I add. A country in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power abused at less, but used it to advanced human condition. The reason America is great and exceptional. If I can say that today, it's not perfect, but it's great. An exceptional is because of its people, and because of the fundamentals of liberty and freedom. So that? Natural rights versus government or rights, natural rights come from God doubt by our Creator. Life Liberty pursuit of happiness while you can't pursue happiness these days in Chicago New York Moreland Seattle. So there's a lot on the line. I love your audience. I'm so thankful for all you're doing, and you've got a great team that you building review and you're out there fighting the fight and I just urge you guys. Just fight like your country depends on it. Because America's, we know it. It's all hanging in the balance. Yet was Sean. You've been so generous the last quick thing I defend the president all the time personally as a person. Can you comment on that because I've had the opportunity to meet him? not as much as you obviously and get to know him, but a lot of people here misrepresentations in lies about who he is as a human being. Let's close on this note. Can you just mention one or two things that that people can take away from that? You know first of all. It's interesting. Nobody seems to understand Donald trump yet. They don't want to understand. I mean Donald Trump. The Dog Bites the beasts, things you feeling sad or get cancer. You Complain Trump. I mean that's how saying the leftist. But here's a guy that is so unique he this guy is like a soon nami force of energy like I've never met my life. The most distinct and unique quality he's had is as president. You mentioned the Supreme Court. He put those people that he said he put. He cut the bureaucracy as he said he'd caught, and he cut the taxes as he said he'd cut. He did the North Dakota. A keystone pipelines Anwar Likey said he would. He's building the wall or almost four hundred miles. A wall by the by election will be over four hundred miles. He found a way it was. It was an uphill climb He said he wanted to pull us out of foreign conflicts, but not back away from evil defeated. The Caliphate took out. Baghdadi and Associates took out Sola Mani took out the Al. Qaeda leader in Yemen. So? What makes him special and unique in terms of presidency is that he is who you see is who you get. The guy that's fights on twitter is the guy that's fighting for a better trade. Deal the guy that fights. Against Liberal Democrats and the media mob is the same guy is fighting to keep his promises that to me makes him the most unique transformative political figure in our lifetime. And Right now. The. We tip the scales. You have a choice. It's never been a bigger choice. He will keep his promises. Coronas been a little bit of a curve ball to the world, but even that ten days after the first case, the only guy that I know of thought about a travel ban will be donald trump. They were teaching at the time and Joe Binder Biden was call them Sinophobic, so he's a man of his word. He's a man that will fight to his last dying breath for this country and the promises he made, and that makes them in my view very transformative. Men will. The book is live for Your Die God bless you, Sean, thank you for that. You do and we really appreciate. It helps you soon. Thanks bye. What a great conversation that was! Please email me or questions freedom. Charlie Kirk Dot Com freedom at Charlie. KIRK DOT COM please type in trolley. Kirk, show your podcast provider. Hit subscribe, give us a five star reviews screen shot at an email us. If you want to win a signed copy of the Maga- doctrine, please get involved with turning-point USA at Teepee USA dot com that is Teepee USA DOT com. 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Democratic candidates go head-to-head on the Supreme Court
"I want to turn to the Supreme Court the balance on the court and the issues before the court right now president trump in just the last twenty four hours saying we've appointed one hundred ninety one federal judges to Supreme Court justices keeping his campaign promise to ship the court to the right with new Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh before it'll characters at the court climate change is working its way to the court and a major abortion cases on the docket this year but president Biden on the issue of abortion in twenty twelve you said president Obama's two Supreme Court pics of them there was no litmus test we pick people who an open mind did not come with an agenda and you said before we both believe that we should not apply Nero litmus tests to appointees to the Supreme Court but I also let me just let me just ask would you do it differently as president Mister vice president whether be a litmus test for say the rest of what I said I said that we are not not appoint anyone who did not have a view that on a new rate right suggested in the constitution that's not a specific test is a generic chest and only way the only reason women have the right to choose is because it's a term that there's underwriter rights coming from the ninth amendment in the constitution that's what I said I was I was part of the reason why Elena Kagan a work from beyond the Supreme Court I was part of the reason why Ruth trader Ginsberg is on the court I was part of the reason why certain wears on the court issued for me and hi to reside and I'm the reason why this right wasn't taking away a long time ago because I almost single handedly made sure the Robert Bork did not get on the court because he did not think there should be no right right on right for let me just straight Mister vice president I am aware of what you said is which is why I'm asking would you do it differently now would there be a litmus test on abortion yes there's a deal litmus test on abortion relates to of them fundamental value the constitution a woman does have a right to choose I would in fact if they ruled to be unconstitutional I will send to the United States con the Senate will pass I believe a bill that off that that that should be legislates Rovi way to Dodge adjusted by Casey it sure is a woman's right to do that and if you call that listens to us as a litmus test but what I was talking about the passer know which gets confused here is if there is no if you if you read the constitution very very narrowly and say there are no own enumerated rights of the judges say in the constitution doesn't exist you cannot have any of the things I care about anything I care about is a progressive members United States Congress at the time and as vice president as a member of
The Saturday Night Massacre
"Hey history lovers. I'm Mike Rosen with retro pod a show about the past rediscovered. Some of the historical events we cover on retro pod are moments instead of been lost to time forgotten both in details and an important and then there are the events events that stick with us as constant reminders of what history can teach us. This is one of those this is the story of the Saturday night massacre in nineteen seventy two five members of the committee to reelect President Richard Nixon had been caught breaking into the Democratic National Committee's offices at the Watergate hotel the next year a man named Archibald Cox was appointed when it as a special prosecutor to investigate the incident and determine whether the president had been involved in July Cox issued subpoena for secret recordings the president had made of his Oval Office Conversations Nixon refuse he invoked executive privilege to keep the tapes tapes private until finally months later the US Court of Appeals ruled that Nixon had to comply by then the rift between Nixon and the Justice Department had grown and it was clear the president wanted Cox gone and Nixon still didn't want to turn over the tapes why because the implicated him in a vast cover a few days. It's after the ruling. Nixon tried to broker a deal. He said he would not turn over all the tapes but instead would submit a summary of what was in the parts of the tapes related to Watergate Democratic Senator Within listen to the tapes verifying Nixon's Account Cox's answer nope in a statement published in newspapers on October nineteenth nineteen seventy-three Nixon blamed Cox for not accepting his proposal he called it reasonable compromise and ordered Cox to make no further attempts to obtain information on his conversations in response Cox Fox vowed to continue pursuing the tape recordings but Nixon had another more drastic plan to stop Cox from getting the tapes and put it into action the very next day that day a Saturday attorney general Elliot Elliot Richardson was summoned to the White House back at the Justice Department the Deputy Attorney General and three eighths huddled and Richardson's office. They knew why Richardson was being called all to the White House. He was the only one with the authority to fire Cox. Richardson went to the meeting. When he got back confirm their suspicions the president had ordered him to remove Cox. He refused Richardson was prepared to resign as attorney any general instead then the phone rang. It was White House Chief of Staff Alexander Alexander Haig Calling Deputy Attorney General William Ruggles House Richardson would not fight her 'cause it was now his responsibility to do also ruggles house refused and just like Richardson. He drafted resignation letter next in line with firing authority was. US Less Solicitor General Robert Bork he followed Nixon's orders and agreed to fire Cox Nixon won the special prosecutor was gone but the outcry was swift and loud the unprecedented shakeup at the Justice Justice Department became known as the Saturday night massacre and it triggered public and political backlash that accelerated Nixon's eventual downfall that fateful hateful Saturday night after it was all over Cox delivered a statement on national TV. He told the country whether ours shall continue can you to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people. I'm Mike Rosenfeld. Thanks for listening special. Thanks to Amy Wang for reporting the story for the Washington Post and for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post host dot com slash retro.
"robert bork" Discussed on 10 10 WINS
"S. attorney Robert Bork there's been absolutely no impact I've had a fabulous really close partnership relationship with commissioner Harrison and with me is mostly before the weekend I have it now and I'm confident that I will continue to have that in a tweet the president called Baltimore disgusting rap and road infested mass where no human being would want to live police commissioner Michael Harrison says the tweet as only made his cities authorities more resolved and strong willed no the fellow's figure skater is accusing the late John Coughlin of sexual assault now Coughlin took his own life in January a day after being suspended from figure skating over a previous investigation now Olympic bronze medalist Ashley Wagner going public accusing Coughlin of sexually assaulting her into the as in a when she was twenty two and he was that price use me when he was twenty two when she was seventeen Magnus says he chose to stay silent back then because she didn't want to cause any tension often has also been accused by a former partner Bridget number two nami Okha who says he sexually abused her over a period of four years was missed on five twenty six now Bloomberg money watch on ten ten wins presented by NYU Winthrop hospital in here is Larry Kaski stocks closed sharply lower amid escalating trade tensions between the US and China that are Jones industrial average fell two hundred eighty the S. and P. five hundred tumbled twenty six the nasdaq composite lost sixty four president trump upended an earlier rally as he fired the latest salvo in his trade war with China he's imposing a ten percent tariff on another three hundred billion dollars in Chinese imports after the close he said the new levies could go higher square is quitting.
Former Federal Prosecutor on Mueller Testimony
"Is the day after now we have the benefit of following up on the testimony of Robert Muller yesterday in the two house committees the judiciary in the intelligence committees immediately afterwards but now people have had a little bit of time to ruminate about what they heard what went on what it all meant and we have a couple of people who will be joining us this afternoon the first one I am delighted to say is Laurie Levenson Laurie Levenson is a professor of law at Loyola law school and she's also a former federal prosecutor and she joins us right now Hey Lori welcome to KGO thank you so much I'm so pleased to be with you I am pleased to have you as well I I don't know why but I didn't realize that you were a former federal prosecutor and I just think that gives you a different kind of look at what went on yesterday than those of us who are lay people especially those of us who aren't even lawyers so from the get go let's start it it out easy what did you think what was your overall impression of his testimony you know you're right I see things a little differently I think lot of people when they tuned in wanted to see the show and I was more interested in the information that we got so I so what mother many other peoples you know Bob Miller is not a great witness most lawyers are not that's not a comfortable role for him but that's not what mattered I think what was important was in the first session they were identifying four to five instances of obstruction and laying out what they believe the president and all these men did in that regard and the Republicans were using it for a totally different type of hearing they wanted this hearing to be held at the mall or investigation get started so was much more of a political show than it was but as we would say a legal proceeding I saw the hearing though before Adam ships committee a little differently for small Adam is a former federal prosecutor I had the pleasure working with him and his family just like that you know he sat out the theme that this is about this loyalty to the country and line and greed and I thought the questioning was much crisper at that point and I think Miller was giving up a little bit more than he had in the morning yeah in the morning it seemed as if a specially at the outset his questions were so limited and there were only certain areas that tended to animate him so a lot of the criticism that we heard immediately following and even into today and if you're reading newspaper articles today and especially if you tune into fox which I really try not to do that a lot of the criticism really does have to do with the performance of Robert Muller and not with the content the context of the information that was being presented what a lot of people say is that it didn't make any difference to the viewing public that most people had already taken a side on this and that based on Muller's testimony nobody is going to change their opinions you agree well I think that there is sort of this entrenchment in politics and along the parties we certainly saw that among the you know congressman who were there and they seem to just follow the pod poly it party flying but you know I am a little more optimistic I mean some of the messaging I do think that across there was and has been and continues to be tremendous Russian interference so to the extent that it gives the president stopped to acting cavalierly about his relationship with pollutants and stop saying things like well yeah I take that information again maybe that's a little bit of a step I don't think that people are going to believe that there's an exoneration but on the other hand I don't think a lot of people here so in the big steps now I don't think it moves the needle in open court and closer to impeachment in fact we may back off from it but the facts are a lot clearer having heard them from Bob Muller yeah I would have I will I want to believe this and so maybe that's the reason I say I would have work I am a member of the Judiciary Committee I would want to move forward with impeachment increase with it with the hearings not a voting right now on articles but moving forward and getting some of the other important figures from the Mahler report and others you know this doesn't have to be limited to what was disclosed in the mall report other witnesses to come in and to testify as to the corruption and the potential criminality in the high crimes and misdemeanors of the of Donald Trump wouldn't you well I think that's where they're headed I mean and I heard that during the hearing name suspect they really want don McGann to come in and testify I don't know if he's any better than Bob Muller is as a witness but I suspect he might be and he certainly had the direct contact with the president I'm here is that nobody got the president to actually provide a statement in person I think that's the biggest lacking in this entire investigation I don't disagree with you that continuing the requests for subpoenas makes sense but there's a trade off and that's what Nancy Pelosi saying she saying are we gonna lose our own people will never get the trump people but will we get lose our own people by being so busy focusing on that and not moving the needle on some real issues that need to be addressed problems out of the house out of the house they can do whatever they want to Mitch McConnell's going to kill it right and I'm you know and that's what the the patch for those who don't want to do impeachment is to say why are we going to do this when we know what's going to happen in the Senate but the outlook tournament of argument is we still don't have all the facts yet you know in my mind do you bring in more witnesses didn't have hope picks come in and don McGann but he just go for like the tax returns because if you have to pay that there are other directions all right lord let me ask you this and I'm I'm very serious about this were speaking by the way with Laurie Levenson she's a professor of law at Loyola and she's a former professor of federal prosecutor now I forget residents saying it was a so utterly important I don't remember anyway altera plunging okay you didn't mention well you're coming back here thought which is you know there was some discussion yesterday and whether he could be charged when he got out of office right and one does wonder what's happening up in New York that would be a normal jurisdiction for that to happen so you know all of this might just sort of be a way to say he's got to be held accountable when the hardest way but the way that's most important is that the coming election and it's frustrating I think that we didn't hear any of the major candidates yesterday remark on the ceiling two yeah none of whom said we second this is the guy who killed said scire Muller this is a guy who told people to lie and he's still somebody you're considering this is a guy who cozied up to the Russians welcome their information I just thought there was a huge irony when the Republicans were saying exoneration doesn't mean anything what was the president himself will interject at that so I nobody called him on the double speak they came after the hearing yeah and I I was very disappointed the democratic candidates because if they want to become president they will also be the head of the Democratic Party and so it's time for them to show that sort of leadership capability but in your comments you did remind me of what I had forgotten to say and it is important and it is bill bar bill bars the Attorney General of the United States and I suspect that he is somebody who can more readily more easily should he choose to obstruct investigations obstruct justice when it comes to president trump including those investigations are happening in federal courts outside of Washington DC how much should we be concerned about what bill bar is doing behind the scenes I am I'm actually very concerned you know when he first came into office I thought well you know he's career he is going to be loyal to doing what's right I don't have that same confidence anymore the what I'm most worried about is the investigation into the steel dossier in the beginning of the investigation I wanted to if you want to play politics he could twist that right against the Democrats and that would be much more damaging than anything that's happened up to now I think that's what they're attempting and there's another thing too and that also relates to some of what you were talking about when the president leaves office and and it Robert Muller made this clear yesterday certainly you can pursue criminal charges against him when he's no longer president except for the statute of limitations and he did not have an answer to that question the LC memo really didn't adequately address that so what does happen doesn't doesn't that by abiding by the LC terms you're assuming the president's only going to serve one term in office and otherwise if he's reelected is above the law well I think that's right I mean this all comes down to the election because I don't agree that that somehow and you told the time while he's in office if he gets a second term he's never going to be prosecuted and that's just a clear message that maybe has to go out to the public yeah I think I think that's absolutely true and I really appreciate you bringing that up listen let's get a one quick call here from one of our listeners before we go this is Lee calling from San Jose Lee welcome to KGO your own with Laurie Levenson go ahead that's wonderful I called the other day and I was very upset I read Gibbons decline and fall of the Roman Empire I could just about Roman history yeah are it and Bob and Cicero on duty right okay yes I'm scared but was just sort of had a scared chopped off are you are you we're gonna take Donald Trump to the guillotine no no well what's your question professor Levinson there's money and power yeah and and the thing is it is but err I will I used to be in touch with senator Robert Bork yes and we were we were to change letters in mail right yeah and he wrote losing America and that was when bush was president right so do you have a question for professor Levinson because I have limited time with her right now only no I understand I'm sorry it's okay I mean I I would like to respond to him yes please thank you Sir thank you Sir for realizing that what we face now is something that we've been warned about for centuries and then it comes down some of those basic values I think when Adam yes didn't get into the details but he got into what is at stake here as you mentioned before that really is what's at stake it's not about an individual prosecution it's not about an individual count it's not about about an element of the crime it's about the really big pictures and a threat to democracy so I don't mean to be overly dramatic but I think you're right on the spot I think we're being unduly dramatic at this point I mean it is turned into what some people view is a political game and the stakes as you said are so much higher than that we all need to pay attention and I do believe that Congress has to do its duty under the constitution and so do we as citizens we have to clamor for the kind of for the Congress to do its job and for the president to not be above the law and unless we do that man we set a precedent that I think it's scary you know I heard somebody that I respect tremendously yesterday he was actually in studio with me he's one of my colleagues and he said I'm opposed to impeachment Pat I'm opposed to impeach with because it overthrows the will of the people and I boggles my mind as well is it ever appropriate then because anytime you impeach an elected representative you're gonna overthrow the will of the people but there's a reason for it well you know I think that what we've learned is impeachment and politics can I like law a lot because it's a lot more certain were in really uncertain times thank you for having me on and thank you so much so it's been a pleasure talking with you eighty eighty a tennis or telephone number will come back with your telephone calls as we talk about the aftermath of the molar testimony and where do you think we go from here will the Democrats do you think by pursuing impeachment inquiry will they begin the hearings the hearings which really will allow them to get more witnesses and more information because the courts are going to be tilted toward what the Congress is asking for when what they are asking for is part and parcel of an impeachment investigation which is which is entirely within the purview of the Congress eighty eighty eight ten is the
Antitrust 3: Big Tech
"Today's show is part three of what I have been calling the planet money antitrust trilogy. The show we much better. If you go back and listen to the first two episodes. If you do not here is the text that scrolls on the screen at the beginning of the movie. United States government used to us antitrust law a lot to protect small companies against big companies in the name of competition. Then there was a backlash led by judge named Robert Bork. He wrote a book called the antitrust paradox. That argued antitrust enforcement had gotten out of hand and the government needed to back off now in the past couple of years as a few tech companies have gotten very big and very powerful a backlash to the backlash has begun. My name is Lena Khan, and I'm an academic fellow Columbia law school in a senior fellow at the open markets institute. And you're a lawyer I'm a lawyer when Lena Khan was in law school two years ago. She wrote a paper for the law review. What was the title of the paper Amazon's antitrust paradox an allusion to that Bork book the antitrust paradox? Why did you choose that title? I was interested in exploring how Bork's approached antitrust had enabled Amazon's rise and the paradise. Talks with Amazon seemed to me that here we had a company that was amassing dominance in various markets. But our current approach to antitrust law was really keeping us blind. So that dominance, and so that to me seemed like an interesting tension or current approach to antitrust law. Bork's approach is known as consumer welfare, and the basic idea is low prices and lots of choices are good. If consumers are getting these things, then there's no antitrust problem and clearly Amazon has delivered low prices and lots of choices. So it hasn't run into much trouble with antitrust law in the United States, and yet Lena argued in this paper, there are things that Amazon has done that have been bad for competition. So her wonky article comes out, she hears from a few antitrust lawyers. Then her article gets mentioned in the New York Times that spurred kind of a new wave of interest. And so I just started receiving more and more emails somewhat modest about this, which I respect that. Tremendous amount. Even though it's not good for our story. What she is not saying is that this student law review article completely blew up. I mean, I know you didn't go on Ellen or whatever. But we're did you go. I got big. We know it got big Lena. Con learn that the rise of a few giant tech companies had made this very wonky thing antitrust policy, suddenly feel urgent and important to lots of ordinary people. Is it bad? These companies are so big are they assigned that the free market is failing us and competition is disappearing. Do we need to think about antitrust in a new way congressman wanted to meet with her the Washington Post in the Atlantic wanted to profiler CNBC NPR, and she joins me now to talk about how antitrust law handles Amazon. Lena, thank you for being with us. Good to be here. Let me first say Amazon is among NPR's corporate sponsors, right? We're going to have to talk about that. Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm Jacob Goldstein. I'm Kenny Malone today on the show, Amazon one of our corporate sponsors and Facebook, also corporate sponsor and Google. I think a corporate sponsor Nata corporates. Oh, okay. But all of this is kind of the point these three companies are suddenly everywhere, they have an incredible amount of money and power and Lena is part of this new wave of thinkers who are starting to say, maybe the rise of these giant tech companies is a sign that antitrust is broken, and we need to fix it.
Ex-Congresswoman who voted to impeach Nixon: Trump firing Sessions brings back troubling memories
"That gives Democrats subpoena power for the first time since President Donald Trump was elected two years ago a day after the election, Trump fired attorney general Jeff Sessions Trump's firing of sessions has led to many comparisons between Trump and former president Richard Nixon on Wednesday CNN's Jake tapper cold sessions ouster another chapter in quote, a slow motion multi-month Saturday night massacre. He was referencing the infamous Saturday night massacre in nineteen Seventy-three when then attorney general Elliot Richardson, and his deputy resigned after president Richard Nixon ordered Richardson to fire the special prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal for more. We continue our conversation with Elizabeth thoughts. C'mon. Former US congresswoman from New York, she served on the House Judiciary committee that voted to impeach Richard Nixon for over forty years. She had the record of being the young woman ever elected to congress. Her new book the case for impeaching Trump is out Monday still with us. David Cole national legal director for the American Civil Liberties union, so the Saturday night massacre. I mean as you were watching this unfold yet yesterday, Liz, you must have. It must be you must have been flooded with memories. Oh, yeah. And it's not just happy memories is very troubling memories. In fact, you can say that you get you know, tangling up and down your spine from the repetition here. What what triggered Richard Nixon's impeachment was his view that he was above the law, and particularly that he could not be held accountable. He and his staff and his colleagues accountable under the criminal law. So when the special prosecutor. Asked for his tapes, Nixon had White House tapes and the tapes could prove whether or not he had ordered a cover up. Nixon said, no, you're not getting the tapes, and you're going to be fired and the American and he ordered the special prosecutor fired the America, and to the attorney general resigned deputy attorney general resigned, and then Robert Bork's number three fired at the American people. Understood what was going on. They knew that the tapes could prove whether the whether the president of the United States had engaged in a cover up or whether John dean who led she'd been involved in the cover-up was lying who was telling the truth. They understood this, and they said congress you have to do something about it. And these were tapes that Richard Nixon had secretly ordered himself the thing of the White House. Correct. And so at that point the impeachment Corey started, we didn't know exactly where it was going to go. But that's when it started. And right now you have. The president of the United States who had weighed deliberately till after the midterm election. So it would have no adverse political impact on him to fire the turn general the United States. Why did he fire him? There's nothing that as Mr. call set has nothing that sessions did that was contrary to his political view. I mean, political agenda the president's political views or political agenda, except then he wouldn't take control and he wouldn't oversee and he wouldn't supervise and he wouldn't interfere with Muller's investigation. And that was a NASA to this president because this president just like Nixon wants to control the criminal process that's gonna take place against him and his friends, and that is if we go down that road, we're becoming a banana Republic that's not the United States of America where a country that's committed to the rule of law and the president cannot put his finger on the thumb on the scale his thumb on the scale of Justice. That's. Not going to happen. And if it does happen, then God helped merica, well, independent Senator Bernie Sanders has warned that any attempt at obstruction on Trump's part of -struction of the Russia probe would be an impeachable offense. He tweeted Wednesday, quote, any attempt by the president or the Justice department to interfere with Muller's probe would be an obstruction of Justice and an impeachable offense goes no question about that. That was the firing of by Richard Nixon. Of Archibald Cox special prosecutor to stop and squelch that investigation was one of the grants, but the impeachment vote against Richard Nixon. So it may not you don't even need to go much farther. I think than even the appointment of Mr. Whittaker because it seems a parent that Mr. Whitaker is there for one purpose, which is to control an interfere with this investigation. And that turns out to be an congress can investigate that. And if it turns out that the purpose was to interfere with this investigation that in and of itself becomes not only basis for becomes the basis for the removal and impeachment of Donald Trump. So Liz Holzman last week the national archives released documents from the Watergate scandal, including new information relating to the indictment against president Richard Nixon the draft documents known as the Watergate roadmap show plans to charge Nixon with bribery conspiracy. Obstruction of Justice and obstruction of a cr-. Criminal investigation. Nixon was never charged with crimes though, a number of his aides were and someone to jail the documents were released after a lawsuit requested they'd be made public citing their relevance for special counsel Robert Muller, if he decides to issue a report to congress as part of the ongoing probe into whether the Trump campaign colluded with alleged Russian meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. So talk about you know, well, what this indictment was of Richard Nixon. Well, let's just make one point Richard Nixon was named by the grand jury as an unindicted co-conspirator. That is the only time that's ever happened in the history of the United States. So the grand jury wanted to indict Richard Nixon this wasn't a hypothetical draft indictment. The grand jury said we want to indict Richard Nixon. They were told by the special prosecutor, you can indicted sitting president I don't necessarily agree with that. And so as an alternative they issued this they charged him as being an unindicted co-conspirator. But yes, the the roadmap pointed to these were criminal charges that we're going to be made against the president of the United States. And the supporting evidence impeachment is not a criminal proceeding impeachment is a civil proceeding by congress to preserve and restore our democracy doesn't require criminal standard of proof. It doesn't require any of the trappings of a criminal proceeding. What its purposes is to take a president who is a threat to democracy. And remove that president from office. That's what the framers put impeachment into the constitution for. And that's why the House Judiciary committee voted to impeach Richard Nixon in part because he obstructed the investigation into the break into the Watergate hotel complex, the Democratic National Committee headquarters and Donald Trump has done has tried to interfere with this investigation. He hasn't succeeded in in derailing, it he hasn't succeeded in stopping it. But he's put Whitaker. They're clearly the appearances to shut it down. And what does that mean? What if Whitaker shut it down or starved at a funds? What does Muller need to have in place now, and what would happen if he were fired could the indictments be made public? If there are some already sealed. Well, it's a very interesting question as to what would happen. I think we would have a national crisis. First of all if the American people. At that point don't rise up to protect our democracy. Then maybe nothing can preserve it. Because that's what happened in Watergate. The American people force congress Democrats who are in control Republican president. But the Democrats didn't wanna bring impeachment proceedings, Eric and people force them to do that. That's the critical point. Why didn't they because they were in a way? I mean, this is a very critical issue. I mean, Nancy Pelosi who said she's gonna write for house speaker Guinness famously said impeachment is off the table because it's an unknown process because the first time the congress ever did an impeachment of the president was against Andrew Johnson. And that was done in a partisan way. And it left a historical taint. We did the Nixon impeachment process. We did it in a bipartisan way, we did it in a fair way that should have given the American people a sense at this process works to preserve democracy. But then we had the Clinton impeachment which was again abusive power as as Andrew Johnson impeachment was, but the issue is the I I don't really I wasn't privy to why the speaker of the house and the majority leader Dempo Democrats did not want to proceed with impeachment proceedings until. The Saturday night massacre. I think it's because they just didn't know what was going to happen. The preceding itself was you know, had bad taint, historically, and they didn't have the public was gonna react. No, really take down president, Richard Nixon. Unlike Trump who squeaked through as in his election. Richard Nixon was elected with one of the biggest landslides in American history one thousand nine hundred ninety two nine hundred seventy two so for an impeachment to take place you'd have to change the minds of a majority of American voters, Democrats were sure that could ever happen. So they were worried about the political consequences for themselves instead of thinking about the country. But the American people demanded they said, congress you've got to protect our democracy, and congress did we didn't take knows camp before we started. We didn't even know what when I I remember we started the impeachment proceedings. Nobody even knew at a high crime and misdemeanor as what's the standard for impeachment. None of us had studied this. What happened in the end, why Nixon left Richard Nixon left because the House Judiciary committee proceeding in a nickel? Fair transparent open and bipartisan fashion voted that. He engaged in impeachable offenses, and ultimately every single Republican on the committee, initially when we voted there about eleven twelve Republicans who'd enjoin we had seven or eight who did. They when when there was a tape recording that was released that showed Nixon himself orchestrating the cover up from the very beginning. All the Republicans joined with all the Democrats and saying Richard Nixon should be impeached, including the most conservative at that point the handwriting was on the wall. It was cleared every single member of the House Judiciary committee, including conservative Republicans and conservative southern Democrats supported impeachment. The house is going to support impeachment overwhelmingly, and he would be removed vote convicted in the Senate and removed and he saw the handwriting on the wall. He didn't want that humiliation. It was bad enough that he had to resign became the first American president to resign. But it was because the process was fair open and won the respect of the American people many of home. Most of whom it's supported Richard Nixon in the election just a year and a half before. So it can be done. So Richard Nixon resigned and didn't get impeached. No. There was a vote to impeach in the House Judiciary committee. That was enough for Richard Nixon to get the message. He had to get out because otherwise he'd be forcibly removed by the house full house and the Senate. Well, let's go back to two sessions replacement. Matthew, Whitaker
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"Apparently, the Democrats say they have no idea who would want to spy on. We learned soon after that the burglars had ties to the Nixon reelection campaign and an even larger story began to trickle out thanks to to Washington Post reporters who. Pursued it when few others were paying much attention. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, Nixon was reelected in a landslide that November. But in the early months of his new term there was trouble within his inner circle. Good evening. The biggest White House scandal in a century. They Watergate scandal broke wide open today in April of nineteen Seventy-three. He suddenly let go of his top to White House aides out because HR Holman chief-of-staff also putting under fire is John Ehrlichman on that same day the president's White House legal counsel. John dean has been fired reportedly dean is implicated in efforts to cover up the Watergate scandal, the attorney General Richard Kleindienst has resigned because the new attorney general named Elliot Richardson that new attorney general Elliot Richardson was a long time Republican insider, I have directed him to do everything necessary to ensure. Sure that the department of Justice has the confidence and the trust of every law abiding person in this country, but he appointed a special prosecutor a law school professor named Archibald Cox to look into a host of allegations about Nixon's campaign. Good morning at this hour, a select committee of the United States Senate is about to begin public hearings on something called Watergate. The Senate Watergate committee began its nationally televised hearings Nixon's, former White House counsel, John dean, testified under oath. I began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency. Implicating the White House in covering up. The burglars ties to the Nixon campaign. I concluded by saying this is going to take continued perjury and continued support these individuals to perpetuate the cover up, and I did not believe was possible to sell continue it and then a bombshell. Are you aware of installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president? I was aware of listening devices. Yes, sir. Alexander Butterfield of the White House. Staff revealed that Nixon had an audio taping system in the Oval Office recording every word that was said there. Prosecutor Cox wanted to hear those tapes when the White House would not cooperate. He went and got a subpoena after weeks of pushing back Nixon had reached the end of his rope on an autumn Saturday October twentieth. Nineteen Seventy-three the following historic events to cook. The president of the United States demanded that the attorney general fire special prosecutor Archibald, Cox Richardson, deeply conflicted in the moment of crisis found the will to resist he refused. The order and resigned. The president then ordered the assistant attorney general William Rocco south to fire the special prosecutor ruckus house with used the president immediately fired buckles house, solicitor general Robert Bork quickly was named acting attorney general Bork was ordered to fire special. Prosecutor cox. He did the White House felt it had done with needed to be done. Now, presumably the investigation would end Nixon apparently believed this in part because there was so much else. Going on in the news in the midst of a Middle East war that would lead to a gasoline panic, the White House thought the world would be distracted instead.
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"Talked about that third pairing between Robert Bork Zo in either Vince done Jordan schmaltz or when healthy Carl Gunderson that somebody wants to just sort of grab the opportunity and established themselves as somebody that can't KOMO the lineup. We're we're okay with that. We don't need to keep revolving door. More on the lines will come your way after the blues morning skate up in Chicago reporting from the ice zone. Alex Ferrario camel exports could be a special night at Toyota stadium at soccer park tonight as Saint Louis f c we'll try to lock up a playoff berth a win or a draw just one point and they're in their head coach is Anthony euless, and he gets ready for another rock is crowd funds and support the people that come out to the soccer park. And support us have been fantastic. The atmosphere is electric the support group the Lula guns. They get behind the team. Well with the drums and the chance and the smoke bombs and every night bring it brings a real intense hostile atmosphere, and then it's a really enjoyable atmosphere for the young families as I have one myself in Milwaukee. Come out and they love itself. I'm sure people that come out whatever really good evening. Gave seven thirty tonight and some tickets still available at Saint Louis f c dot com. Meanwhile, Mizzou gets set to take on the Alabama crimson tide in Tuscaloosa tonight at six o'clock on ESPN, Dave matter of the Saint Louis post dispatch onto the attitude of this team that has nothing to lose as they go in as four touchdown underdogs against the number one team in the country, get it. I think they'll go in there with that attitude, and they'll not only chance ever play there. They're never played in Tesco's. If you just go in there, and you're not intimidated by the moments try to have some fun. But at the same time, you know, planner control and try to embrace that opportunity. There is nothing to lose. Nobody's expecting Missouri to win this game. And frankly, nobody's expecting anybody to beat Alabama this year, even when they play LSU at Auburn, whoever they get the playoffs or they get Georgia in the SEC championship game. I think Missouri kind of goes into that with that kind of outlook. And that feeling didn't they can at least cut loose and see what happens six o'clock on ESPN Mizzou and Alabama Illinois hosts Purdue. At two thirty that game is on Fox Sports. One for the latest follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, but came walk sports. I'm christine. Colorectal cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in the United States when men and women are combined. It doesn't always costs symptoms. Fortunately,.
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"About that third pairing between Robert Bork Zo and either Vince done Jordan schmaltz, or when healthy coral gunnison, if somebody wants to just sort of grab the opportunity and established themselves as somebody that can't to the lineup. We're we're okay with that. We don't need to keep revolving door four the lines will come your way tomorrow afternoon after the blues morning skate up in Chicago reporting from the ice, sewn Alex Ferrario came elect sports. Thank you Alex looking forward to a big weekend of hockey. Meanwhile, a big weekend of soccer as well here in Saint Louis Saint Louis f c a point away from a playoff berth a win or a draw tomorrow night against Oklahoma City guarantees a spot in the playoffs. Their head coach is Anthony Piel is he joins me tonight on the Dave Sinclair, Lincoln and Ford sports open line before the regular season. Finale tomorrow night at Toyota stadium at soccer, park funds and the support of the people that come out to the soccer park and support us have been. Fantastic. The atmosphere is electric the support group the guns. They get behind the team front well with the drums and the Johnson, the smoke bombs and everything they bring it brings a real intense hostile atmosphere, and then it's a really enjoyable atmosphere for young families is I have one myself in Milwaukee and the kids come out, and they love it. So I'm sure people that come out whatever really good evening. Of course, the Missouri Tigers traveled to Tuscaloosa, they take on the Alabama crimson tide at six o'clock tomorrow night. We'll talk a little more Mizzou coming up on the program as well. This evening in baseball. The brewers dodgers opened the NFL CS game one just after seven o'clock tonight..
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"Louis continues as game two of the regular season comes your way this evening enterprise center. It's the Blackhawks that come to town who are one know on the season after picking up a win in their home opener on Thursday night. The blues as we all know fell to the jets five one Thursday, but Mike yo expects a big turnaround for the team tonight against Chicago. Now, Jake Allen is back in net. No Robby Fabbri expected in this game. Joe Edmonson expected to be a part of tonight's game as well as Robert Bork twos. Oh, poor coming off of that one game suspension in the regular season and Edmonson Mike ios said will skate with the team during morning practice. Christoper was recalled yesterday as well as Nico Mykola. The defense was set. Down to the American Hockey League affiliate San Antonio rampage puck chops tonight at seven o'clock. I will have your pre game skate for the blues starting at six thirty here on cable act if you're coming downtown. It's the Dobbs face off pre-game rally outside enterprise center. It starts at three o'clock. They'll have plenty of festivities for blues fans leading up to the blue carpet being rolled out for the players as they enter enterprise center, and then all the festivities take place inside. Once the building opens up at five thirty no all of those outdoor festivities do rely on what the weather is like Brian. You already mentioned what the weather forecast is for later this afternoon. So keep a close eye on that blues fans in baseball last night all four playoff games in action as you had to game ones in the AL DS the Yankees losing to the Red Sox five to four in the Astros beating the Indians seven to two those two teams play later on this afternoon. Then you had the brewers beating the Rockies for nothing. They lead two games to none in that series. And then you have the dodgers beating the Braves three to nothing. They lead daily that series two games to none finally college football later on this afternoon is it's the Missouri. Tigers taking on the Gamecocks in South Carolina. South Carolina coming off a loss to Kentucky. You there too in two on the season. The Tigers coming off a bye week after their loss to Georgia a couple of weeks ago kickoff set for eleven AM. Also, the fighting align I and actually on today they're taking on Rutgers sitting at two and two on the season again puck shops tonight for the blues at seven o'clock. I'll have your blues pre-game skates starting at six thirty with the best blues and cardinals coverage, Alex Ferrario on America's sports voice. If you love football yelling at television screens with Rams and wearing clothing.
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"In baseball. If the bombers pull off an upset over the Boston, you bang in Harvard, having donkey buying L wives. I mean, the Red Sox it'll break hearts all over New England. The best kind of New York win. This is morning edition from NPR news. I'm Rachel Martin. And I'm Steve Inskeep. Let's recall a supreme court battle before the one we're living through now. Judge bread Kavanagh's. Contentious Senate hearing last week recalled some earlier ones, including a nineteen eighty-seven showdown between democratic senators and then federal appeals court judge Robert Bork who been nominated to the supreme court Senator Ted Kennedy led the attack in Robert Bork's, America. There is no room at the end for blacks and no place in the constitution for women and in our America. There
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"I just didn't, you know, Vince, Foster wrote about the politics of personal destruction before he allegedly committed suicide in fort MARCY park, we've seen this before with Robert Bork with Clarence Thomas we've seen that Pete Ray. Donovan the former labor secretary where a person's character reputation integrity family has been smeared. And let me tell you what the Democrats are up to number one. The first goal is to get rid of capital. That's number one. If they can't do that. Of course, if they do if they do that. Then if they're successful their goal Frank is a four four court for the remainder of Trump's term. They're not going to want to do anything to confirm another Justice and keep it four four until they allegedly win the White House in two thousand twenty that's the goal. Number two. They've now made every person on that list of twenty five the President Trump has think they're gonna think twice do. I wanna put myself and my family through this ringer after seeing what happened to judge Cavin on. And it's going to give a lot of people on that list. Pause. It'll be alright there being a federal appellate judge on the circuit court somewhere. But do they really want to go through this? This kind of nasty smear campaign because it doesn't matter whether it's Amy. The Eric Coney, whatever or some other judge. Same thing's going to happen to them. Yeah. You don't have to have somebody. That's going to be a tough and obvious. The judge capital is showing that he is a tough. He's hanging in. There has no intention of quitting. And of course, the president has no intention of withdrawing his name. And so the wavering Republicans that are going to be voting on this. We mentioned them early this morning. The likes of Jeff flake and Susan Collins and others. This is an opportunity for them. They'll never have this opportunity again, if if they have it all. Goes down to defeat because the Democrats as you said, we'll strive for a four four supreme court and hope for the best that they are able to take over the Senate in the future and get their own people in there, and that would change my God that would be a lot of people have already told me if that ever happens, if we get the majority of liberals on the supreme court, they might as well just pack up and leave the country again, no winner yet in our mystery voice in the mornings, we'll play for you one more time. Hey, Larry, King hate him. Whenever children choking to death. If those stupid suspenders forte WCBS eighty time for Kim commando. She's here with their consumer tech update. New research indicates that the gig economy say driving for Uber isn't paying off like it used to. But there are gigs. With a payout is increasing Kim command with your Tuesday consumer tech update. Get extended interviews on tech topics with the free commando podcast available on itunes Angola. Play. Jay. Morgan Chase has released. Very interesting numbers about the gig economy or people making their own wages doing things on the side. More people than ever are taking Uber or lift and despite that on average Uber and lift drivers earned fifty three percent less in two thousand seventeen than they did in two thousand thirteen over and lifts say, this is because more people are driving part time on the other hand people renting out things say their home using Airbnb a car using touro or a parking space using partly have seen their incomes rise about seventy percent during the same time. One thing's for sure there are all kinds of side hustles last count. There are one hundred and twenty different platforms in the gig economy. I'm Kim commando. I'll just say it right out..
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"It was a huge campaign inside. I mean, it was somewhat similar to today. Reagan wasn't Trump, but the Justice department the in the Reagan administrations, very much the center of kind of the Reagan revolution and they very much wanted work to be named, and they made sure he was and the liberal left crowd. The Kennedy helped lead knew very well that it was going to happen and they were worried as hell about it. Because again, like today with the cabin on nomination this this was the the so called swing seat on the court. And the sense was that Bork was going to be able to turn a lot of things in the direction of the right, including abortion and civil. Oh, rights issues, affirmative action, those kinds of things. So what candy decided to do was to sort of put invest starkest terms possible and within with less than an hour after President, Reagan nominated board, he got on the floor and he made this speech and it was quite an extraordinary affair. Because as you say it, it sort of sounded like this was basically fascism on on the way to America. And there was a lot of criticism about this speech. In fact, within the White House, there was a feeling that this was so insane Kennedy had blown it. But in fact, what we saw over the coming few months was that the ability of the left liberal alliance to rise up against Boer was quite powerful and ultimately successful. You know, I'd like to dissect it a little bit and. And the basis for how for the language in Robert Bork's America's a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions. Blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters rogue police could break down citizens doors and midnight. Raids schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution. Let's stop there and go through each of the. Tell was that an accurate and fair reflection of Robert Bork's views. So look, I think that the difficulty here is that the subtlety of what a legal debate is about as opposed to policy debate. And of course, they end up overlapping and of course, in the end, who cares whether it's legal nicety that's that was kind of Kennedy's view and the view of those around him..
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"Michael Isikoff chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo news, and I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo news. You know, Danny, it's hard to reconstruct this many years later, just what an epic battle. The Bork nomination fight was how important and consequential it was viewed for both sides. But in many ways, that Kennedy speech is the one that rings in people's ears when they think of it today it was. And that was a huge turning point in Washington, certainly judicial politics. But you know, somewhat argue politics more generally and. I was bumming around Europe at the time, you know, getting drunk on cheap wine in Spain in Italy, so I didn't cover it, but good. But my I kinda real reporting job in journalism was right after that. And I came back to work for a small paper that covered law and politics in Washington called legal times. And so I was kind of covering judicial politics and the Bork battle hung over everything. It just was such an influential important event, kind of defined judicial politics and turned it everything into kind of scorched earth warfare from then on out. And you know if you a few weeks ago, we did a buried treasure about the nomination of who Ronald Reagan than the president selected to succeed Bork after Bork, went down Douglas Ginsburg, and of course he was defeated because he had. Smoked pot. Something revealed by Nina totenberg of NPR in a big exclusive, but it was. It was the Bork battle that really had legs, and it's worth remembering as we talk of it today that this was the seat that finally went to Anthony Kennedy who of course resigned this year. And and this week is we think about Brett cavenaugh. It's that very same set yet was and, and that is part of the reason why all of these years later, you know, both sides of that, you know, huge battle continue to think they were right. And in terms of liberals, what they would argue is, well, it ended up with Justice Kennedy, who was a swing vote, and who was the decisive vote in terms of preserving a woman's right to choose in in the Roe versus Wade, Wade case. And so they would argue that that was exactly the right thing to do. Others. Obviously, would argue that it turned supreme court confirmation battles into just another political battlefield, and that's been corrosive to to to to law and jurisprudence in politics ultimately. So we're gonna have Ethan Bronner who wrote a wrote a book about the book, battle on in a moment, but just to set it up. Let's listen to what is the most memorable part of that very memorable speech that Ted Kennedy gave that day. Robert Bork's America is a land of which women would be forced into back alley abortions. Blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters rogue police could break down citizens doors and midnight, rage and school children could not be taught about evolution, right? As an artist would be censored at the whim of government and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of. Of citizens for whom the traditionally is and is often the only protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy. Pretty vivid language. I'd say rhetoric goes vivid language, and the Democrats were completely prepared for this moment and they caught the White House off guard. And so kind of a rare example of of the Democrats really outmanoeuvring and out organizing the Republicans who at that point in our history tended to be more organized. When these kinds of political battles took place. We are now joined by Ethan Bronner who as a reporter for the Boston Globe covered the Robert Bork confirmation fight, and then wrote a book about it, battle for Justice, how the Bork, nomination shook America, Ethan, welcome to buried treasure. Thank you, Mike. So we just played the most memorable line of that Kennedy speech. And in Robert Bork's, America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, and it goes on set the scene for us of when Kennedy gave that speech what was going on at that moment and what prompted him to frame it in that really highly charged way. Sure. So it was most Powell had retired from the court only a week earlier, and it was quite clear to those who cared about a conservative legal agenda that Robert Bork was going to be named..
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"The blaze tv all right so we just played robert bork and robert bork was made into a monster a monster who is going to re segregate we were going to have lunch counters and women would be dying and it's horrible horrible robert bork's america now let me show you how ginsburg was treated listen to this clara while clara you deserve it awards so far i'm very serious sober as a judge and so when i had people taking photographs of me in the white house people were trying to get me smile they said think of clara and then my grandson paul sarah you must tell you that in preparation for these hearings i read briefing books opinion books law reviews but there is no book in the world that means as much to me as this one oh my gosh my grandmother that is a very very special five paul oh she's opening it out with some pictures inside precious good the pictures are beautiful and yeah you don't need a publisher this this is the usa you just said he hopes your teacher is listening to this that is great just enjoying the harry joe biden he was having a good time now you have to ask yourself how have you ever heard anybody's confirmation hearing i mean especially if they are content i mean ruth bader ginsburg is the most liberal unconstitutional ju justice we have ever had a and and keep this in mind at the time everybody knew how liberal she was everybody knew how progressive she she was the director of the aclu women's rights project okay so how did how did this very extreme woman get this treatment where were the republican well one of them was recommending to bill clinton that he not consider bruce babbitt for us supreme court really yeah bruce babbitt to to extreme he thought hey what about steven briar or or ruth bader ginsburg a great jury and while liberal very honest and very clear thinking now who was this this this republican it was a senator named or ryan pitch orrin hatch thank you little known known senator head of the judiciary committee back there republican guy who suggested bert it will not be a problem to get her through amazing and it wasn't it wasn't confirmed converter ninety six to three ninety six to three think of that if if brett cabinet is is confirmed you know it's going to be oh i don't know fiftythree fortyseven ish maybe fifty to forty eight maybe fifty fifty and and and pants has to decide i don't know i can't even get receive confirmation i don't know at this point who knows but he's an extremist which oh millions of women could die we were told no no no millions of women no can i don't you say that don't you say that throw that out there eleven please let me show you what has come from from yale okay pay now he's a yield former yields okay yes so i think the school was okay with them right we right today as yale law students alumni and educators ashamed of our alma mater within an hour of donald trump's announcement that he would nominate bread cabin on why l s ninety two the supreme court the law school published a press release boasting of the alumnus accomplishment is there anything more important to yale law school than its proximity to power and prestige judge kavanagh's nomination presents an emergency for democratic life for our safety for our free freedom.
"robert bork" Discussed on WTVN
"The blaze tv all right so we just played robert bork and rubber bork was made into a monster a monster who is going to re segregate we were gonna have lunch counters and you know women would be dying and it's horrible horrible robert bork's america now let me show you how ginsburg was treated listen to this clara while clara you deserve it awards so far i think i'm very serious sober as giant and so when i had people taking photographs of me in the white house people trying to get me smile they said think of clara okay and then my grandson sarah must tell you that in preparation for these hearings i have read briefing books opinion books law reviews but there is no book in the world that means as much to me as this one oh my gosh my grandmother that is a very very special paul oh it is and vichy's opening it out with nick showing some pictures inside precious good the pictures are beautiful and yeah you don't need a publisher this this is the usa he said he hopes your teacher is listening to this that is great just enjoying joe biden just the he was having a good time now you have to ask yourself how have you ever heard anybody's confirmation hearing i mean especially if they are content i mean ruth bader ginsburg is the most liberal unconstitutional ju justice we have ever had a and and keep this in mind at the time everybody knew how liberal she was everybody knew how progressive she was the director of the aclu women's rights project okay so how did how did this very extreme woman get this treatment where were the republican well one of them was recommending to bill clinton that he not consider bruce babbitt for us bream court bruce babbitt to to extreme he thought hey what about steven briar or or ruth bader ginsburg owns a great jurist and while liberal very honest and very clear thinking now who was this this this republican it was a senator named or ryan hat h ono orrin hatch thank you little known no lone senator head of the judiciary committee back there and republican is the guy who suggested ruth ginsburg it will not be a problem to get her through amazing and it wasn't it wasn't a converter ninety six to three ninety six to three figure that if if brett cavanaugh is is confirmed you know it's going to be oh i don't know fifty three forty seven ish maybe fifty to forty eight maybe fifty fifty and and and pants has to decide i don't know i can even get receive confirmation i don't know at this point who knows but he's an extremist which oh millions of women could die we were told no no no millions of women no no can i mean don't you say that don't you say that throw that out there eleven please let me show you what has come from from yale okay now he's the former yield okay yes so i think the school was okay with them right we write today as yale law students alumni and educators ashamed of our alma mater within an hour donald trump's announcement that he would nominate brad kavanagh y l s ninety two the supreme court the law school published a press release boasting of the alumnus accomplishment is there anything more important to yale law school than its proximity to power and prestige judge kavanagh's nomination presents.
"robert bork" Discussed on KNSS
"The blaze tv all right so we just played robert bork and robert bork was made into a monster a monster who is going to re segregate we were going to have lunch counters and women would be dying and it's horrible horrible robert bork's america now let me show you how ginsburg was treated listen to this fire well clarity you deserve it awards so far down i think i'm very serious sober as a giant and so when i had people taking photographs of me and the white house people were trying to get me this mile they said think of clara claris mile okay and then my grandson paul sarah must tell you that impression for these hearings i have read briefing books opinion books law reviews but there is no book in the world that means as much to me as this one oh my gosh my grandmother that is a very very special five oh she's opening it out with me there's some pictures inside precious good the pictures are beautiful need a publisher this this is the usa said he hopes your teacher is listening to this that is great just enjoying joe biden he was having a good time now you you have to ask yourself how have you ever heard anybody's confirmation hearing i mean especially if they are content i mean roof peter ginsburg is the most liberal unconstitutional jute justice we have ever had a and and keep this in mind at the time everybody knew how liberal she was everybody knew how progressive she was the director of the aclu women's rights project okay so how did how did this very extreme woman get this treatment where were the republicans well one of them was recommending to bill clinton that he not consider bruce babbitt for us supreme court really bruce babbitt to to extreme he thought hey what about steven briar or or ruth baiter ginsburg a great jurist and while liberal very honest and very clear thinking now who was this this this republican it was a senator named or ryan hatch no orrin hatch thank you little known senator head of the judiciary committee back there and republican the guy who suggested it will not be a problem to get her through amazing and it wasn't it wasn't confirmed or ninety six to three ninety six to three figure that if if brett cavanaugh is is confirmed you know it's going to be oh i don't know fifty three forty seven ish maybe fifty to forty eight maybe fifty fifty and and and pants has to decide i don't know i can't even get receive confirmation i don't know at this point who knows but he's an extremist which oh millions of women could die we were told no no no millions of women no no can i don't you say that don't you say that throw that out there eleven please let me show you what has come from from yale okay now he's a yield former yield guy okay yeah so i think the school was okay with them right we write today as yale law students alumni and educators ashamed of our alma mater within an hour of donald trump's announcement that he would nominate brad kavanagh y l s ninety two the supreme court the law school published a press release boasting of the alumnus accomplishment is there anything more important to yale law school than its proximity to power and prestige judge kavanagh's nomination presents.
"robert bork" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"The blaze tv all right so we just played robert bork and robert bork was made into a monster a monster who is going to re segregate we were going to have lunch counters and you know women would be dying and it's horrible horrible robert bork's america now let me show you how ginsburg was treated listen to this clara while clara you deserve it awards so far i think i'm very serious sober as a giant and so when i had people taking photographs of me in the white house people were trying to get smile they said think of clara fire okay and then my grandson paul sarah you must tell you that in preparation for these hearings i have read briefing books opinion books law reviews but there is no book in the world that means as much to me as this one oh my gosh my grandmother that is a very very special five paul oh opening pictures inside precious good the pictures are beautiful and yeah you don't need a publisher this this is the usa said he hopes your teacher is listening to this that is great she just enjoying joe biden he was having a good time you you have to ask yourself how have you ever heard anybody's confirmation hearing i mean especially if they are content i mean ruth bader ginsburg is the most liberal unconstitutional juta justice we have ever had and keep this in mind at the time everybody knew how liberal she was everybody knew how progressive she was the director of the women's rights project so how did how did this very extreme woman get this treatment where were the republicans well one of them was recommending to bill clinton that he not consider bruce babbitt for us supreme court bruce babbitt too too extreme he thought hey what about steven briar or or ruth bader ginsburg owns a great jurist and while liberal very honest and very clear thinking now who was this this this republican it was a senator named orion hat itch on orrin hatch thank you little known known senator head of the judiciary committee back there republican and is the guy who suggested repairs berg it will not be a problem to get her through amazing and it wasn't it wasn't the confirmed or ninety six to three ninety six to three that if if a cabin is is confirmed eeeeno it's going to be oh i don't know fifty three forty seven ish maybe fifty to forty eight maybe fifty fifty and and and pants has to decide i don't know i can even get received confirmation i don't know at this point who knows but he's an extremist which oh millions of women could die we were told no no no millions of women no no can i mean don't you say that don't you say that and throw that out there please let me show you what has come from from yale okay now he's a former yield guy okay yeah so i think the school was okay with them right we write today as yale law students alumni and educators ashamed of our alma mater within an hour of donald trump's announcement that he would nominate bread cabinet y l s ninety two the supreme court the law school published a press release boasting of the alumnus skull accomplishment is there anything more important to yale law school than its proximity to power and prestige judge kavanagh's nomination presents an emergency for democratic life for our safety for our free freedom and for.
"robert bork" Discussed on WRVA
"The blaze tv all right so we just played robert bork and robert bork was made into a monster a munster who is going to re segregate we were going to have lunch counters and women would be dying and it's horrible horrible robert bork's america now let me show you how ginsburg was treated listen to this fire clarity you deserve it awards so far i think i'm very serious sober as a judge and so when i had people taking photographs of me in the white house people were trying to get me smile they said think of clara claris mile okay and then my grandson called faira you must tell you that impre operation for these hearings i read briefing books opinion books law reviews but there is no book in the world that means as much to me as this one oh my gosh my grandmother that is a very very special bye oh she's opening there some pictures inside precious good the pictures are beautiful and yeah you don't need a publisher this this is the usa said he hopes your teacher is listening to this that is great just enjoying joe biden he was having a good time now you have to ask yourself how have you ever heard anybody's confirmation hearing i mean especially if they are content i mean ruth bader ginsburg is the most liberal unconstitutional jute justice we have ever had and keep this in mind at the time everybody knew how liberal she was everybody knew how progressive she she was the director of the women's rights project okay so how did how did this very extreme woman get this treatment where were the republicans well one of them was recommending to bill clinton that he not consider bruce babbitt for us supreme court really yeah bruce babbitt too too extreme too it's just three he thought hey what about steven briar or or ruth baiter kuenssberg a great jurist and while liberal very honest and very clear thinking now who was this this this republican senator named or rhine hat each orrin hatch thank you little known known senator head of the judiciary committee back there and republican and he's the guy who suggested ruth ginsburg it will not be a problem to get her through amazing and it wasn't it wasn't a converter ninety six to three ninety six to three think of that if if brett cabinet is is confirmed know it's going to be oh i don't know fifty three forty seven ish maybe fifty to forty eight maybe fifty fifty and and and pants has to decide i don't know i can even get received confirmation i don't know at this point who knows but he's an extremist which oh millions of women could die we were told no no no millions of women no no can i don't just say that don't you say that throw that out there eleni please let me show you what has come from from yale okay pay no he's a yield former yield guy okay yes so i think the school was okay with them right we write today as yale law students alumni and educators ashamed of our alma mater within an hour of donald trump's announcement that he would nominate brad kavanagh wa l s ninety two the supreme court the law school published a press release boasting of the alumnus scope accomplishment is there anything more important to yale law school than its proximity to power and prestige judge kavanagh's nomination presents.
"robert bork" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"To eighty four eighteen four fourteen but what if bangor is closer for you then what would that number be it would be two seven nine four five zero four one seven okay that's two seven nine four five zero four now if you forget the number by any chance didn't have piece of paper to write it down you might just google it and you'll find it really easily or you know what might be a guy named pat gray and he has a twitter account oh you don't need me to tell you this no to tweet that out at pat unleash right and you'll find all several offices call them all those people like be polite let's be civil but the be very firm firm firm but civil triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three democrats never have this problem back in win when justice ginsburg was nominated she was nominated by bill clinton and that was on a recommendation that originally came from orrin hatch wait orrin hat hey you know who big good is ruth bader ginsburg why not give her a shot thank you thank you the the wonder of orrin hatch just never stops okay but what i'd legacy he's left i'm gonna make you feel better though i mean that's entirely so anthony kennedy was supposed to be robert bork yeah okay robert bork was a staunch constitutionalist yes and ted kennedy didn't like that and basically derailed that nomination from reagan they booked him may bork dip so we got anthony kennedy right well rubber died in two thousand twelve which all sorry lives that would have been a bum pick a replacement for bork but now you get trump to replace a swing vote so a sweet so instead of constitutionalists to flaming liberal we're now doing a swing vote to hopefully what will be a constitutionalist put that in your pipe i hope you know swing vote guy is going to be her john roberts triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninetythree jody in utah you're on the blaze high he i love you i really do but button your lip on mike lee jackie's lear lip t's don't work in the senate he's one of the few that totaling the line and you're going to take him out the sense a lost cause caused the only branch left is hopefully the supreme court in the judiciary i that was my thought initially to jody i thought yeah you know as good as mike lee would be we need him in the senate but i don't know when you tell you should be able to come up with somebody right there's gotta be yeah but you're replacing orrin hatch heavy with with ordered hatch light you don't so hopefully replace better if you re i know i know the goal thanks feel your pain i do feel you're buying it you know so you replaced a somewhat liberal republican with another somewhat liberal republican but hopefully you would replace a really strong conservative constitutionalist with a strong constitutional conservative but i doubt it so she's probably right maybe push for his brother i've given up on the senate i mean it's i mean they've had well look at look at what they're doing now look at susan susan collins point lindsey graham they have the majority you wouldn't know it though geez jeez triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninetythree bill in kansas welcome to the blaze today good i you made the comment about the mexican how thirty thirty seven population said they would come to america if they could it was quite a while back to go i don't remember where i heard it and do on that sound at one time but i can't remember where i found that it was it was a pew research group did a all wide survey and based on that survey a hundred and fifty million people come to america if we had open borders i believe that now if that was over a ten year period of twenty period there's no way we could absorb no we'd be swamped many people yeah he's even thirty percent of the mexican population over ten years would be catastrophic yes yes wreck directly economy.
"robert bork" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"Court this morning justice kennedy was there along with his wife tell us what you saw in how the day unfolded well you know it's not unusual for spouses succumb on the last day of the term they often do there's often a lunch the justices have with their spouses and and all of the members of the court so in a way that wasn't unusual but there was a feeling i have to tell you that something was coming and it's hard to quite describe exactly what but a number of us who usually leave the court and go back to our offices decided you know we should hang around and around two o'clock we saw people running out of the public information office holding pieces of paper and we knew that there could really only be one reason for that why did ronald reagan select anthony kennedy back in nineteen eightyseven well he's a compromise if you'll remember and the after his nomination of robert bork went down in flames and then the person he was going to select next douglas ginsburg had a problem with marijuana use and so the process went on for a while kennedy was from california ronald reagan knew him and he he's sort of seen as more moderate more of a compromise and indeed on is thirty years on the court that's exactly what he's been as i say most of the time siding with conservatives but in very important cases throwing his vote to the liberals we're talking with robert barnes of the washington post and in your piece you compare this they can see to that of thurgood marshall who stepped down replaced by justice clarence thomas nominated by president george h w bush yeah i think you know that that was the last one that really seemed to you know be one person with different ideas replacing another maybe even a better analogy is would be samuel alito replacing sandra day o'connor because at least in that case you had a republican being replaced by a republican but one with who was farther to the right and i feel sure that's what we will get with justice kennedy's replacement using your words billable at washington post dot com a court without kennedy will be different place how so well he has been the one in the middle he has been the one that advocates and both sides no usually they need to get if they want to prevail especially on some of these controversial five to four cases a a lawyer who practices before the court once told me that he writes his briefs with justice kennedy in mind and if he could he would put kennedy's picture on the front of it and so if we're right and someone is nominated who is more to the right that puts chief justice john roberts at the center of the court and he is far more conservative than justice kennedy is in robert burns what role does the federalist society play in the nomination of the next justice well i think it plays a role a probably a fairly big role but more in that it what it is already done which is it has assembled a bunch of judges that the white house likes and you know there is a list available from the white house of the twenty five people that president trump says he will make his selection from that list and a lot of those judges have better list society backgrounds they've been promoted by federal is society and from other conservative groups and those groups do sort of the initial vetting for the white house of these candidates and presumably we will know the nominee in the next couple of days the hearings it will take place this summer and again just to underscore how big of a deal is this going to be a huge deal i i don't know how fast we will get a nominee that sometimes takes a while this is a little late in the process to get a retirement but i think which mcconnell has certainly made it clear he knows how to push judges through the senate that he leads but you know it really is is hard to overstate justice kennedy's importance on this court and so obviously it is going to be a completely different place without him robert barnes who was at the supreme court today his work available at washington post dot com and the front page story in tomorrow's newspaper thank you for spending some time with us we appreciate it my pleasure thank you steve and his way of background it was the retirement of justice lewis powell that created.
"robert bork" Discussed on KMOX News Radio 1120
"Garage and yeah maybe he could feel and look i mean that's an exhausted bunch i mean you're talking about a group that's been no playing only five defensemen that's their ranks are so thin mitch rinky i thought had a great game i thought he played what fourteen fifteen minutes i thought he had a solid outing to give a little relief to those guys but that's the other thing from this one amy scott got banged up why did terrorists saint goes knows got jacked on a hit by tyler murphy i think trevor murphy one of those two names i think it is scottie upshall got hit and did not return only played about five minutes so you're wearing thin on offense now because social cough is day to day and now you may have lost scotty upshaw this isn't what you want to happen with four games left and robert bork zohar absolute warrior i think that might be one of those things at the end of the season where the players reveal what everybody with all year you know because he's been having some maintenance days just to try to stay healthy and for him to be playing the way he is as physical as he is logging as many minutes as he does and yeah rinky was positive that was a silver lining i think he was on for just under fourteen minutes wasn't on the ice for any of the six arizona goals i mean that's positive to take away and look when you're a twenty two year old in the nhl that's a pretty successful night in my book all right amy let's talk a little playoffs before we have to get to peer lebron talk playoff expansion eight ninety two points seventy eight games left for the blues ninety three point seventy eight games left for the ducks played played yes sorry yeah i confused that one way too much so seventy eight games played for the duck seventy eight games played for the blue seventy eight games played for the.
"robert bork" Discussed on The World of Phil Hendrie
"All right gator to look if he asked me i didn't miss that tough regularly thorough all over by pay just been talking about this and get out of the way next time so far the well i archibald cox all right so guys named dark forecast and here's a good one but he was replaced by a guy named leon ju worst left at that one birdie what's so funny bud donald school names very very long they bed funny in any event so after the after that happen the elliot richardson was fired william ruggles house was fired and then finally if it was robert bork who who did the fight they were supposed to be fine i think he was tool defer and right yeah i think nixon told elliot richardson the fire cox and he wouldn't do it so nixon fired elliot richardson or he quit one of those two then what we think norfolk registered to me i don't like i don't know man equities five minutes and then william ruggles house was the assistant attorney general and he refused to fire archibald cox and he was either fired or quit and finally the next guy up at in the batting order was robert bork who was an adjutant general something like that he was third in a in line or something or nixon ordered him to fire archibald cox and he did and then they had and then there was such an outcry that they brought in a new special prosecutor quite so the the whole idea of archibald touch me and foot wasn't the diction want to get rid of the plus get hit alike archibald cox well that was what he said but i mean come on and i don't think nixon was it relishing the idea of having another special prosecutor in their talks wanted those tapes man that's what was going on cox wanted those tapes now there you say they know takes that's got nothing to do with whether this tapes are not the fact of the matter is cox was growing in on this obstruction of justice thing with the a special prosecutor nosing around the white at the trump white house.