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That's where you'll find links to everything we talk about today, including how to Choon into nNcholas radio show and a picture of who took it of cat bitsy trot word and now his Nichola Halliday Nikola. Ron welcome to the show. It's great to have you with us. It's great to be hitting. I can't believe we actually so far apart. So this is lovely. I know technologies wondrous thing. I always do it's predictable. But I like to begin at the beginning with it once upon a time question once said, I am an puffins moment where you thought I've just got to write fiction. Oh, my life one be wants me to be. And so what was the catalyst for it? Well, I feel of it's fraudulence burns it generated because there wasn't that social moment. I to Josephine who obviously we all come talk about. But the series really began about twenty five years ago when I read her franchise, and I thought it was just an extraordinary novel. So different from any of the ones written, by contemporaries, am I wanted to find out more about her because as much as we analyze she has a wonderful characterization of brilliantly rich sense of place. But there was just the voice, you know, it it's less hard to quantify than those reasons. And I found out that she in her lifetime. Was known just as well. If not better as a playwright she had several hits on the the western stage one in particular Richard of border. And I thought it was very strange that somebody who had achieved as much as she had done in those two very different phys. Haven't had a full length biography written the bouncer. So that's what I set out to do. I'd only written on fiction up to that or done some journalism and an art book in affair book. And it was the table graffiti that I wanted to do. But as you probably know, she was very private woman. She wrote the competent her personal life up quite closely in cleverly behind her. And eventually the gaps became as intriguing as the facts, and it was actually my partner. Mandy who said to me one evening. We who in national holiday cottage on a beautiful corner. She state, and yes, we had had a gross of one or two and she said to me, oh for God's sake. Just make it up. And that really is is how the series stunted to tell a truthful picture of taste life through a series of fictional modem mysteries in the juror that we know in love her best for these days. So purely by accident to to answer your question, and if it weren't jersey in today, I don't know the out of written fiction at all that loan as quickly as I did. It's interesting that you really it seems came to truth through imagination rather than fact. Yes, I think I think that's true somebody who was complex and in some ways, contrary contradictory jobs being table is as you probably know Josephine Taylor isn't her real name her real name was Elizabeth McIntosh. But she also had another pseudonym, Gordon, David that she wrote plays in historical fiction on the and she often referred to herself as a chameleon a word. Appears quite often in letters with typical self awareness. I have to say and so for figuring like that who shapes and shifts reading her letters. I've done lots of research and read a lot of tastes letters, lots of letters that were written to her and about her, and she does indeed how different personalities depending on who. She was. I think we all do that to some extent we're all different people to a friend's into our family into strangers and professionally at work, but she did it to extremes. And she was also very good at being a bit of an outside with those wonderful vacations that people who love no her novels will recognize and so that made her a good fictional figure on a good detective, I suppose so you've got the fascinating series. Now, we Joyce the Fain appears Ezra. So in quite a lot of the events in the different books relate directly to her life ended truthfully occur. And then of course, some of it is is completely product of your imagination. You've now done Sieben compulsion books in the eighth one coming out in a couple of months, and you've mentioned that the first book that franchise affair was one that broke all the rules. Can you just explain little what those rules were? And how she brought them certainly out will for start the franchise fan older books like this, but some of them, but the franchise affair doesn't even have a murder at his heart, which most golden age most crime novels in do, you know, having written these books? I know how hard it is to keep up with the Spence in the interest of the reader without moving back on those conventions of the of the body very most confident, but she didn't she in nineteen forty eight published a book that was a sensitive about a young woman who had allegedly been kidnapped earned abused by two older women. In nineteen forty eight. That's quite strong dog stuff. I think that's one of the things I love about as that. She stays so relevant. And she has such a modern voice. Her hero. Robert blair. He was a comparison. The sitter, you know, he wasn't a super human amateur sleuth. He wasn't applauded policeman. He was just an ordinary man who was taken over by circumstances. And I think what's interesting about that book in particular is the on the one hand reading it now in modern times, it feels like a style GIC snapshot of an England that's gone for Avena. You pick it up a need feel the sun on your face is not warmed to it. But look below the surface. And it's a very don't book. It's a book about people being persecuted by the community is supposedly upon. So it's a book about more violence. It's book about prejudice and anger, and it's interesting having read it quite recently in a in a sort of post Brexit world here in Britain, it again, it has that kind of modern relevance in it reinvents it. So like it's off. I did. So I suppose that's what I mean. Really the golden age rule book the clones list of suspects. All those wonderful things. That are expertly done by lotta tastes contemporaries. She didn't feel the need to do that. An infact. Maybe if she hasn't had a a series inspector Alan grown who again. That's another thing. She does it regionally in the franchise affair. He turns up the wrong side of Justice. I mean, that's a great thing to do. But if those books haven't featured a series detective, maybe wouldn't necessarily think of the first full most crime novels, we think of them as psychological rebels, and I think keep did bridge the golden age and the contemporary in way that paved the way for people like Patricia Highsmith PD James rumble interesting as I hear you guys through my mind, but. She's also a main tool for you in your writing because you crime novels and exactly they not they not the standard crime novel. They definitely, you know, you don't have you don't have the country house everybody sitting around trying to solve the mood. But you do have a social group and social gatherings that kind of Meriva, but in a match more challenging way, do you have you taken her as as a mentor as well? I think she certainly a mental for any crime writer, really, I think she is foam Dermott offer referred to her as the crime writers crime rights on. I think that's Borey because she teaches note she she doesn't teach to be. Particularly brilliant mystery, Reuters, I would maybe this controversial I would say that her plots are not the best thing about high rising Attal, but she teaches to be brave. I think and the one thing that I would like to emulate her more than any other is the each book, the I right? I hope is different from all the others rather than sticking to one pass because she was very unpredictable writer, although she did have the series characters who reappeared every book that she wrote is different in some way, they have different feels different atmospheres. I hope that in not weigh my books might might any late hers. Also, I think she's a mentors as a as a woman in the person because I could hug her for living through the years that she lives through because those into war years, particularly for independent women liked to office nation to write bell through. And coming to these books with a strand of truth on history and social context to them has introduced me to so many people, but I wouldn't otherwise have known about. I mean, for example, it was resistible because Taylor had a film made by offered Hitchcock. It was inevitably caused in the ruins the I would write a book in fear in the sunlight that had a fictional meeting between today an Hitchcock, but if it won't for that, I would never really have known about alma revel. He's Wang was she she entered the film industry before he did. She was so influential he's work. And when we talk about a Hitchcock movie, actually, we're talking about a real partnership. I think one of the finest things about each coke is the way that he collaborated with an credited his wife, but so it's women like rowing Kate who started the miniature in Cooma where I said the book Mary size, who's the deputy governor of Holloway jail ended so much for. Additions in women's prisons. All these people take his open the door to man. I am I I'm very great. You mentioned the role of the position of women in nice in two years. And I'm just wondering wasn't partly that after they'd seen some. Emancipation during the first World War through very poor circumstances being forced into jobs because the main will intervene -able they were saying the strong drive to try and push them back into their place after the war ended and also the lack of men to marry as well, and quite so it changed social expectations lot others to the factors that you'd be revering, Jerry. Yeah. Definitely it's absolutely spot on. I think the first world will I it's hard. I think for us to even conceive of how seismic change that must've been people for some women. It was a time of great grief and great loss because as you. So rightly say, they lost husbands and lovers and brothers and sons, and the will was never the same again for some women, and I would strongly believe that Josephine today was one of these it was a moment of liberation because not only. Early were there, the the professional expectations had been moved on so greatly as as you just said, they did jobs that they would never have thought of doing in the book coming out is very much a book about that. But also socially remarkably emotionally their expectations with different tain. No longer had to face the off of marriage and children as automatically being inevitable for her which is a pass that. I don't think that she she would very happily with her. So it was it was a very very double edged sword on a great, great sadness. But great opportunities in great freedom as well. And I think when I came to these books I won in nineteen thirty four. I think I underestimated how much the shadows. Is that war would still be hanging over all the characters? I was writing about whether or not. Experience the wall directly it it really did those wars. So did meet in the middle. You know, the shadow of one and the looming prospect of another. Yeah. Yeah. You have referred to career as a playwright. And there is another very interesting into sation Near Net. Is that she helped launch suggestion Gail good into superstardom? I get that. He he was a major with speak to classical actor, but her play Richard of died catapulted him into a match more popular Statham, and you've talked with him and little about his association with the heavens jury. Yes, I think again, the war is part responsible for the huge successive. Not Richard aboard. Oh play. It was a modern reworking of Richard the second. It was she says herself in in a letter to a friend. She thought she'd written tale a bloody revenge in action she'd written the about. Vision. And I think it just completely hit the moment and Gilbert was huge loss in. He was a Shakespearean. Classic renter. Directed Richard Bordeaux's as one of starred in it. But this play was just Anaya worked myself. So I know you don't get moments like that invinci- people went thirty forty fifty times to sit. It look lots of the cost on wood wood so wealthy author that they country. Go to Gil good included on the on the sofa guess exporters. And I remember PD James telling me how as a young girl she was so cross because she couldn't afford the train ticket to go to London and see the play the everybody was talking about. So it really was a unique moments of the article history. And I think because it wouldn't have that wonderful elegant designed by motley the trio stage in costume designers. Everything about it was just spots on. I think that that reason because it was of its moment. Her plays haven't lost it in dated as well as fiction has. But that's not to decry how popular and successful. They were at the time. So am I right in human that she was vantage, Yvonne, she she deliberately write a play, which she imagined from the beginning suggestion would start and and then she pitched it to him. Now that seems to me to take quite a lot of Odessa Turkey is that the right way to frame it was that how? Had happened. I guess it was that's what he told me what he's written in. He's accounts of how play came about. And it I think it was a huge amount of Odessa Turkey unnerve and confidence in the work. He also talked a lot about how he when she first sent it to him. It wasn't really in the full that was performed as it was. And he suggested amendments or cuts with changes, and he didn't really expect to hear back. But she did she made those changes absolutely Gisha ply-. An of course, the rest is history. It's interesting. I think one of the things that shows while quickly she came on Oeste is she didn't really have a huge impact in the rehearsals and staging of the play that was very much beer goods thing. But by the time, you get to another play of hers cooled off in women, which also was on the West End, and it will anywhere near the success. But it was loosely based on the the scope to Guardia brush and. He visit this brilliant. This is in the collection at the British library where she is rising to Gail good telling him really, effectively she doesn't think you'll be quite right for that part. Almost one djing him to be good enough for that thought. Shows that shows how much she came on. And I think really that fees arrogance about her work that confidence about her work is one of the things I love about because she was done. Roy is good work and a new C that does this touching things about it. Like, she she talks about seeing the franchise affair in. I think it was the franchise of in the times book club window, it giving the same feeling of joy and elation as saying Richard aboard. Oh, go up in lights at the new to. This those bits that we will feel as rice as the excitement when we kind of can have enough to to see all work being appreciated. But there was always this fierce belief in historic gonna let her 'cause she rises somebody just before the door of time came out and says that she really does think it something genuinely new within the euro, which close it was we we lots of both. Detectives. Holed up in bed Sovan crunch, the bedside since then, but she was the first to do it with girl. And so yeah, no of pluck confidence in her own ability. I think they're all things that we associate with them and we'd come from because there's not a not in her background there. I mean, I must admit that. When I started reading you. I haven't read any tie that as the confession. But when I started reading you I did refer to a couple of the cable phase. And there isn't a lot in her family background that would indicate that she would have that sort of it must've been totally inborn don't you think? I think so I think mother was a huge influence on her arm. Murga was a teacher as well. A I think they were very very close. I think mother's early death was a great tragedy in her life. Think she came from a different social background to taste for. Other. I think certainly I think she would've appreciated very greatly. What had daughter went on to do? And I think take would say that she was perhaps an inspiration in that sense. But I think the very fun that she grew up in Venice, HUD, father actually was he was a fruit Trump, but he worked his way up to he had a huge amount of determination, hard, work, and grit, and he was determined that. He's daughters were going to get a decent education decent opportunity. So he was on Bisciste too. I think that although it's not necessarily directly traceable as she say. I think there's a in her background that contributed to that confidence. And that determination if only to be bloody minded in inventories, really unto have the out dot success in a in a in a small town community where it perhaps. Wasn't expected of the fruit. Restore to to go on and have friends like John Gielgud and Gwen Franken Davis modern Monte to hunt. So dumb the age of the series. Sorry for the deed is out in later. The right pro-life. Thank tell us. Something about the story behind that one. I haven't had that. There's no lot online about that book at all at the moment tonight, partly because the it's been put back to the old tool. It'll come out to you don't open them. But it it was inspired. Great by the franchise for my love of book. It is set in Sussex, which is part of the world that take absolute in loved, and it's it's partly set Charleston, the fame the home which went onto famous the hope part of the blooms present wherever Balan Duncan. Grunt lives many years, but it's at Charleston before it became famous as we know it and you see. Three points in her life. You see her in the nineteen thirties as people who read books will know her. But you also goes back to nineteen fifteen. So we see today as a young girl during the I will some of the things that went on to influence her life. And we also see how we move forward to nineteen forty eight when she's about to publish the franchise. In fact, we go with her to launch Brosse the franchise best. So it takes three points in life. And sees how different she is on Costa r- is the modem history. I'm in the nineteen fifteen part which has repercussions related time. Periods found fascinating. And I know you've mentioned that she right eight mysteries in this is going to be number eight for you is the guy to be a number nine or regard to leave it at that next Leded. There's going to be a number nine in a number ten because I've just signed a contract for two more. So that definitely will be will be ten and hoping tasted on with number nine the moment, which it. It made me smile a minute go where you said, you don't do country houses and people sitting around solving. This is actually sort of a country house murder with the difference at Christmas. So it's going to be a a sort of riff on the golden age Christmas mystery. Wonderful fats just moving away from the mysteries. You've gotta stand align. Historical Steinle in Elsie coming out the true. And again, that's based on the unconventional family. Life of the artist sustain Lee Spencer. Tell us about that what John Lewis that I gather at wouldn't be a mystery. But not a memoir either. I think I think about this a lot really, it's it's a straight historical novel. It I see is very much connected to the taste series in the sense that it is reimagining of a real figure in a particular term in place in the nineteen twenties and thirties again. No, it's it's not a mystery in a generic sort of way. But I've been thinking about how I approach the characters in that book on. However, the ones in imam is basically it is about for the mining and trying to understand. Band. Untrained get under the skin of why people do what they do. And you said unconventional firmly life. I think most people would agree with you in that respect and Stanley Spencer as well as being untested testing. Ossis a great great office one of my favorite artists. He also did some things that I think some of us would find car disarm them. And that's exactly what you do when you are to crime over you try to understand why people do things they do. And that's not just a motive for murder, but a motive for the everyday acted love and jealousy and shame and greed. And so from that respect, I think it's not entirely different. It didn't feel so different. When when I was rising it, but it is a story. The I've wanted to write about for several years now, it's inspired by stunned expenses creation. All the foes. I were memorial chapel which he painted. And it's a beautiful beautiful place in hump SHA village. But what really sort of was my doorway into was a a lady called Elsie Monday. Who was the made that he hired to look after his family when he went to that village, and she became a very important figure. She became a friend to him a friend his wife, Hilda carline and certainly to that children really important member. The psalm is one of the news for his work. So most of the book is is told through her eyes and hopefully to go again back to the seams of some of the tables, it gives a voice to the women in Spencer's life who are usually the silent presence in his paintings. So it turns the tables on him a bit. Yeah. That sounds wonderful. Look tuning to you. Why to career you divide your time between Coon woman, Cambridge and Kumla who might be writing base, I gather, and we knew in Cambridge. You've got along other exciting things that you do. And that's not so different from the way Joyce Athene structured her life. Is that just a coincidence that just how it works spiritually head dot caution may merely you. I've never really thought of having a connection to her Kushner obsolete. Rated does I mean from for us for practical point of view. It is the controls between the two places the is wonderful in Cambridge says a lot going on as you say, it is a beautiful beautiful city with a great history on a great pulse. But it's a very manmade Ichi the art and the architecture and the history of Cambridge's phenomenal. But when you get the cool, it's very rule elemental BC on it is a different pace of life is a different BT. And it's very inspirational in that sense is in Cambridge. You do a radio show with your Patna, Mandy, cold, the click, tick, light shy and. That sounds fascinating. I must've been I haven't yet managed to listen to a fully aside. But again, she does the music and hear the books and film reviews, and you've already head Studi Collins on this year, you draw some amazing gifts tell us about that shar that should started Monday worked for twenty six years at the BBC. So it was a show that she started when she was at the BBC. She has a music background herself. She had a bangles friggin later, the Monday more band, they recorded six albums and tool quite extensively. So she has a music broadcasting background, and we really met through the radio the Sears, the I worked in and I started to do pieces on her BBC shows relating to the future in various ons things. So it's kinda Volve not fully through that. And we do we choose. She does tend to the musical there this month. She's challenged me to tell the story of Johnny mentioned through ten songs. I mean, how'd you choose ten Joni Mitchell longs? I couldn't even narrow it does tend Joni Mitchell Dums. So I got that on and we do divide the really we we take on what interests us, and the people who fascinated in whose creativity we haven't we have a great respectful. So it does it does tend to blur. Those lines of theater music and books, aren't but we what we like to do each month. So tell me just a little teat nickel question. Can someone like being used Elland here? I mean, it's not it's not up. There is a podcast resident podcast as well. All our tactic light shows are available on mixed card. So going back game. You gotta mix cloud and type in the correct like show. You will see all the shows that we've done over the past few years. They're they're they're big list whenever they like fantastic. Thank you. I'm estimate. I did pick up on the fact that you had ceded London rain with lots of Rolling Stones references, and as I was going through. I wasn't absolutely searching. But I keep my eye. And I think I only really picked up on a couple sympathy for the devil, and and a couple of wild horses was another one, but you hit a little gang there with rolling signs, obviously that was one of your tricks. You played I gather while you arriving back book. I did I listen to the Rolling Stones a lot rising that book it sort of came from the. Vert within our books. I like to mix different time periods. I find that one eight. Yeah. Be a fascinating mirror on another and some rain, for example, the central death and mystery within that book is the death of a social club hostess who dies in the nineteen twenties. But it's actually based on the suspicions and conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Brian Jones, the founder of the Rolling Stones in nineteen. I'd say all the then at once I'd sort of decided I'd do that it became obvious to me how much Amiram each of the sixties in the twenties all generations coming out of really really difficult wall. It's a time of underground clubs and music on a really thriving drug scene. And so I kind of liked to do that. And I've done it recently in nine lessons as well. When I taken a very nineteen seventies crime, the Cambridge rapist on put it back to the nineteenth. Thirties. And again, those two periods seemed to complement each of the ver-very well, but you're right. So it seemed just a fun thing to do for me when I was writing that book was the sprinkl appear those ankles in unseen. How many people would notice? Look if this one thing you've done in your writing career more than any other that Spain the secret to succeed your success. What would be a really difficult question. In some ways, you'd be better off to ask read about the maybe if some of the things that on proudest all would be may be the characterization and really bringing a richness on a credibility to those people. That's that's what people tell me they admire about the books, but the thing I'm most pleased with ease the funk, they entertain people. I mean when people come up to me events and say they've read one of my books for a second time, for example, that's a huge accolade because an crime euro, which is supposed to depend on the act of surprises. Somebody reach you twice. That's great accolade or people have said the books of gotten through council perhaps or something terrible time in their life. Which a lot of authors will will find something very important. If people take your books to their heart in that respect in and they choose not to get through. Difficult times that would be great. But you know, I think something that is in the Jing is the sexuality of the women in those books Kay's having a running affair with another character cooled martyr in these books, and I get a lots of letters now from people whose grandmothers or on so mothers faced similar choices about being open about the sexual not will having to hide it. And some of them were brave and went with it and had a lot of prejudice. As a result. Some of it chose easy. Opponents may be didn't ever have the happiness that they thought they might. But a lot of people saying that it's great. But these books give voice to those women because it will silenced. And I think that's important and possibly past of the reason that Joyce fame kind of whom I sleep that. Double life, and was regarded as a bit of the line wolf, she she was very aware of the patch. She was trading being honest with his self, but not Lang herself open perhaps to too much public comment is I think that's true. I think that was posted it, but I also think that was something inheriting her character. That was alone. Will I think it this? I will be the first to admit that there is a lie in her relationship with mushroom my books, but it's not the less been as miss the closeness. And I think she anybody who has read and love the franchise affair like I do and who knows Marian shop speech to robot. Blair, I think will recognize a lot of how Taylor felt in in that book. Look we started to come to the end of time to give tuning to Nikola as Rita. This is cooled the joys of binge eating. So we need to recruits you're reading a little bit. Now. I don't know if you really are a binge reader because you read so deeply that possibly the whole concept of binge. Eating is something that doesn't appeal very much, but tell us a little about your reading tastes. Okay. I I'm ashamed to admit that since I started spending so much of my time writing crime novels. I don't read as much crime fiction as I should do or as I used to. But somebody who I am. I can't been dri because she's not she's not fully imprinted the moment. But a recent discovery of mine is a book favor Russia and Christmas Celia from l'an, and she is a wonderful author, and they are bringing her books out, and I've had to have had to stop myself looking for them online getting them because I would binge read her. But I actually don't want to be over. I love are if you can hear a little squealing noise here. It's not me. It's my counterfeits dropped woods. We didn't just hear a little head to bet. So silly. What what are we live? What are they about it? She a rediscovered. He basically, she another great psychological crime writes, she's a bit a bit later than than to. But she's great. I love Barbara Pam, I love Irish fiction. I love lots of the I am absolute fool for Virago classic journey. So. For like, Rebecca west. Yeah. On stomach Gibbons. I love her work. It's one of the hottest thing. When people ask you what you read to to come out with these. I'm gonna kick queso forgetting people, but they would be the people who most recently. I have I've loved books. Yes. Yes. When the suit cling back looking across unite as as it is at the moment at this stage, if you were doing all again is there anything you would do differently. I've been so lucky I have a fantastic job. I love doing. I'm very happily married. I had a great upbringing childhood. It would almost be churlish to to say. It'd be things. I would do I suppose if there was one thing I wish it would have been possible to cling onto the theater job underwriting job belong because a times. I still miss working in fits. I wasn't on the stage. I was behind the scenes and in in fits marketing. But I love that sense of common endeavor, unchain work and all that sorta thing. So if those one thing I miss it's that kind of cameraderie. Yes, what is the expenditure the writer new projects that you can get will this. But this the Christmas mystery, but I've told you about and the me a lot of promotion coming up full starting now seeing sort of the dead. But I also be thinking about I've got an idea full. Another historical novel isn't a crime novel nervous, turn to learn novel Besse, I'll be gradually starting to think about that as well. And I'm going to stop on Mandy is also crime writer. She writes a series Koba number two three hundred -tective agency. It it. They're wonderful dog and sunny books, and we are thinking of what we're starting to devise a series that we're working together. So that's in the pipeline as well. That's exciting. Now, do you like to interact with your readers, and where can they find you on line? Or is it mainly through your appearances that you see readers to? I'm on Twitter. They can find me at Nicholson book. I'm also on Facebook. But I I'm a polling Facebook. I really don't go on his office. I should but Twitter is for the way to interact with a regular basis, and I do love meeting people events as well. I'm doing undoing blogs having chat light, listen really, enjoying this very much to look at speed wonderful to it really has. It's quite adjacent to me how this being a rea- blossoming of fiction related to this period. That we've been talking about it. I think a couple of the office that I've already talked to that I write in book seat in this period. Really an end. I think it's interesting parallel with the Maitree century that it really is quite a state of of contemporary life coming out of that reexamination of the twenties thirties. Yeah. I think that's I think that's true unload rate loss because eighty such is such an engrossing interesting fair because it's apparent of such diversity to. And I think lots of the women who worked quietly at the particular professions was so pioneering for the work that we do today. I refer the research for sorry for the dead. I read a book by Katie about women on on the home front in the first World War, and it just shows in every single sphere of life. Whether it's policing or foaming all sports, they really were paving the way for people like us come later. Yeah. Look, thank you so much for your time. That collects being real pleasure are will go and read some Joyce of being tired. Actually, it's one of those things that because I have to do so much reading for this and other things that I own I honestly don't get much time just to do reading pollution, which I'm sure you might identify with. It's it's ironic that a prison who loves reading now. Well, of course, the books I read for the podcast, I do very much joy. But just to have something I pick up just entirely for myself. I don't have much time to do anymore. I tell you. I'm quite envious of you rarely because I I really wish that that was one finish table that. I have read us emphasis trait. That's wonderful. Look, thank you so much and all the beasts with this year new writing, thanks, Jenny. Thank you time. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to the joys of venture eating podcast. You can find all the details and links for this episode at dub dub, dub dot the joys of binge reading dot com. We'd love to eat your comments and suggestions for who. You'd like us to interview nixed. 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Ukraine Affair; Giuliani Abroad; Hate Attacks On The Rise; Attacks On Faith; On The Rise; Linda Ronstadt: "The Sound Of My Voice"; New Year's Eve
"Good Evening Chris. CUOMO is often. I topping this late edition of three six new window into the heart of the impeachment case against President Trump the New York Times citing previously undisclosed emails and in documents as well as interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials documents the eighty four days that could end a presidency Eighty four days from the president's first first question about blocking military aid to Ukraine to the moment was finally released. This new account has lots to say about how it all played out who the players were in the concern. So many top officials had this was either against national security interests politically unwise or just plain wrong. Acting Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney is described as being deeply involved in holding up the aid. which is you know? The president was allegedly using to leverage investigations of the Biden's from Ukraine's president. The Times reporting also shows that the White House budget office seeking seeking legal justification for withholding the money as well as doubts from budget officials in sharp pushback from the president's national security team then national security adviser John Bolton in for one as well as the secretary of State and Defense Bolton you'll recall reportedly referred to it all as a drug deal according to testimony he's central to the Times report along with three others all four of whom happened to be very officials. The White House does not want to testify Mick Mulvaney Bolton Robert Blair and Michael Duffy there now the center of the battle over what the Senate impeachment trial might look like and for the latest on that. I want to go to Kaitlan Collins near mar-a-lago tonight. So do we know the president's team they working on a plan for the Senate trial while he's down there in Florida. Yeah Anderson. They still have a lot of big decisions to make sources are saying essentially they are making those decisions while the president is is here. But what's notable is there are people like jared Kushner Mick Mulvaney around the president while he's been down here at his mar-a-lago club but people like the White House counsel Patsick Baloney have been back in Washington working on this strategy as they are still trying to nail down who it is exactly. That's going to be defending the President Win and if they do have that Senate trial and the president is pushing. Data's very aggressive Republican House members on his team but there are still questions about who else can bring in and that Kinda shed some light on the outside influence. It's been on the president. By the fact he was golfing with people like Trey Dowdy. Who's been advising the president from outside the White House on impeachment for the last several weeks and the two of them were seen golfing on Sunday together? which could could indicate any decisions? The president is going to make over the next several days and I talked to bore Sanchez in the last hour. He had the name or he raised the name of Alan Dershowitz who has been on air coming up with legal arguments that the president might be able to use. Yeah Alan Dershowitz has certainly certainly a name. That's been floated by the president. President trump actually told people privately. He wanted to bring him onto the team but there have been a lot of people who cautioned the president against that saying that that has only going to open opened them up to more scrutiny potentially from Democrats over allegations that have surfaced around Alan Dershowitz in recent days. So He's getting a lot of advice from different people and that was indicative today when he was in golfing with someone else. Senator Lindsey Graham who has been telling the president he needs to bring on attorneys from the outside constitutional law experts. In addition to pats Baloney the White House counsel all sang essentially. He's going to need more attorneys than just that Guy Interesting Kaelin Collins. Thank you very much appreciate it again. In The Times reporting what really stands out is the fact that the main characters on the page the very same ones. The White House didn't want talking to the House under testimony under oath that do not want test them testifying at the Senate trial either her. I spoke about it just before. Airtime with Congressman Steve Cohen a democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee Congressman. How much of the details in the New York Times increase? Freeze the need for Mulvaney. Bolton Blair Duffy testify in front of the Senate because their names are all over this to any objective logical title thinking person. You'd say increased a lot but McConnell is a political animal and he's just trying to figure out how to save the President and thereby save save himself because he's really running low in the polls in Kentucky and each trump support and of course trump has wife hired a secretary transportation. So so it's it's certainly it's it says that you should have this testimony the public's demand the testimony and witnesses but it it puts the Republicans in a difficult go position because if the truth comes out there's nothing anybody can really say except this was a crime it was impeachable act act it was a disavowing and disobeying his oath of office. It was trying to get a foreign power to interfere in our elections and and success. Sacrifice is our national security and has everything that we've been saying in our impeachment hearings and why we voted impeach the case is clear and the Republicans have really gone to their second level last last line of defense which is but they got the aid so they're basically saying yeah but they got the aid means he did wrong and he was doing wrong breath the last minute he went ahead and gave in the thing about that Arkansas. They'll probably still do that. Yeah the argument. The they got the argument. which I it seems intellectually intellectually dishonest to me in that they got the because the whistle blower came forward and this blew up? I mean that's that's what you know. That's why by the eighth ended up when it did. Yeah and that's of course true. But that's a logical thinking person who's looking at this objectively and trying around a think about what's right and wrong McConnell's not doing that and you can't do that when your client. And basically trump who is on trial is the client uh of of the Juror McConnell. You know he's guilty so when you gotta get just like you know I'm a lawyer and I understand what has right. I too fat. So yeah the say self defense. That was the Dutch. Would you say it was self defense and the defense attorneys going to tell tell the people say that but you know your your clients guilty. According to The Times after president trump I asked to put hold on the eighth. A White House aide Robert Blair replied via email to Mick Mulvaney writing code. Expect Congress to become unhinged certainly seems like an understatement given how oh this is turned out I mean it was. It was very accurate warning. Well it was an accurate warning and we didn't become unhinged but what we did. Ed was the Democrats. At least we did. Our duty. Given to a snarky one to look out for the Constitution and to take the sole responsibility of impeachment and and to utilize it to keep a president who was a row president operating outside of the the constitutional norms and to put him in check and that's what we did now. The Republicans Republicans went on hinged. Because they again they didn't have a real defense all they can do is talk in high pitched voices and loud and and and get take their coats off off and talk about the fact that the was released. Come up with a bunch of other who is about the Biden's and and what hundred did and a car and Florida sometime. office deflection. They can't defend him. He's guilty when it comes to the impeachment which have been sent over to the Senate. How long do you think is too long for Speaker Pelosi to hold them or is it possible to just never send them over at all and just not have go to the Senate? Well my friend Don Schlitz wrote a song called the Gambler and Nancy Pelosi would be a great card player because she knows when to hold them wouldn't have fold and I'm not going to suggest to her Wendy do it. Because she's the Best Congressman Cohen. I appreciate your time. Fine thank you. You're welcome it's great. All right you take care. Democrat wants to match the nets below sea. For more now on all this from our legal and political team teamster legal analyst Carry Cordeiro Republican Strategist Stuart and democratic strategist. Paul Begala Paul. Have you in all your time. Government including work in the White House ever seen anything quite like what's detailed in the New York Times reporting. No no it was a jaw dropping and you think three years into this presence. We'd be used to the dysfunction dip set aside whether the policy was right there is a policy process. We are a superpower who we we have the largest military and the largest budget and when you make a decision you bring in all the experts. The generals diplomats that the the allies. Here you have in the Times reporting in late August August. The Secretary of State. America's chief diplomat the secretary of Defense America's Jeep Warrior the National Security Advisor in charge of coordinating everything from intelligence to diplomacy to warfighting or fighting all three unified sitting down with the president. It seemed like an intervention for for someone who with an addiction issue. And they say sir we have to release this eight and in a fight between the Secretary of defense the Secretary of state and the national security adviser versus Donald Trump Rudy Giuliani and Vladimir Putin. It wasn't wasn't even a fight and they got rolled and that's that's unprecedented in my long experience in Washington. Yeah I mean the thing is one of the things that jumped out in this near ties. Report is this this previously undisclosed meeting Secretary of State Secretary Fans the National Security Adviser all advising the president reportedly that something is the interest of the United Sates which is giving the Ukraine and the president ignoring it right and this is an excellent report? It has a lot of information but Anderson Persson at the end of the day. There's not a lot of new information. This basically gives some details of what we already knew. This is really palace intrigue as to. What really happened here Anderson? An Anderson. I've repeatedly said This phone call and what the president said on. This call was inappropriate but I do not believe that rises to the level of impeachment one nugget. We'll get information in this article that has really gotten overlooked. was what the White House aide Blair mentioned. It's very down the story. But it's really important. When he heard the president Request announcement by Ukraine. That they would look into the Biden. He didn't look at that as anything. More than the president withholding aid because he has has an aversion he has problems and he has voiced concerns in the past about foreign aid and he's also has concerned about corruption in Ukraine. He listened to the president's phone. Call all as the president in an ongoing dialogue and ongoing up policy that he has about foreign aid. That's exactly how he took it clearly. there's much it's more to it than that but someone who actually has a direct knowledge of this this is this is a viable actual account of how he heard that and it's something that absolutely he does need to be considered carry. The it's an interesting point that that Alice raises the counter argument to it. Is that really. The president's never talked about corruption anywhere in the world Except suddenly now Ukraine when it and the and the only name he brings up is something that would be about Ukraine involvement not rush involvement in the election. And just the person who happens to be his at the time thought to me as big as political opponent So No it's you know it's interesting. I mean this guy might not have thought it was a problem but I'm not sure. There really is a track record. Other than the official policy of the United States government being executed by the then diplomats in the embassy in Ukraine of fighting corruption. It's not a big fight from this president right. I mean what's missing from the White House's story is a compelling narrative or even a reasonably believable narrative for why the aid was being held up And why for that matter. The meeting with the president of Ukraine wasn't given and what we have to look at this new report in the context of is everything else that we know from the actual impeachment hearings rings from the call that was released. The transcript the summary of the call from July twenty fifth. None of these things are happening in isolation to the new report from the New York Times is not an isolation it all has to be taken together and when we look at all of the information that has been revealed. It's certainly looks like there was the aid being withheld in the context. And in the time line of when the president was also pressuring the President of Ukraine to conduct into announce announce the conduct of investigations into his political opponents. And a person who seems to maybe know all of that is Mick Mulvaney Laney and I think the new article does show just how much Mick Mulvaney the chief of staff knows and so it's awfully interesting that he in particular is unwilling and the president is unwilling to allow him to testify in front of Congress. We gotta take a quick break. We're GONNA continue. This discussion also also turns out rudy. Giuliani has been busier than we knew. We'll tell you about another piece of apparently off the books. Diplomacy or business that he is conducting and the officially stated foreign foreign policy. He seems to have been contradicting also. We'll have the latest in the anti-semitic attack outside New York as well as the rise in crimes around the country. Will I remember to create an ad like this one. Visit your winning dot com slash CNN. This is David Pain the writer and producer. I do Sir of somebody somewhere a true crime investigative podcast every now and again a story comes along that makes you question your fundamental goal assumptions about human survival. Somebody somewhere season to take you deep inside a murder. Mystery where three homeless teenage brothers have been charged with a double homicide in a story that has much of a search for justice as it is for hope binge somebody somewhere season to to the jungle. Murders wherever you get your podcasts. Just when you thought you knew what Rudy Giuliani was up to. There's new reporting on another previously unknown episode in his globetrotting roadshow and for different location than Ukraine. The Washington Post citing people familiar with fair placing Giuliani. The center of an effort hurt to negotiate the exit from office of Venezuelan President. Nicolas Maduro it came. According to the post is news to White House officials and apparently against the wishes of the National Security Adviser are John Bolton. Neither Bolton's lawyer nor the White House nor Giuliani responded to requests for comment from the post on be back now with Kerry Cordeiro l Stewart and an Paul Gola. Also knew you wanted to respond to. I think some carry Said said before just just a quick up follow up. She had mentioned about Mick Mulvaney and information that he knew and didn't no. This is another thing that came out of that piece that I would. I'm curious about Mick Mulvaney who really has carried a lot of the president's water With regard to this Ukraine crane situation and really gone out on a limb for him. I thought it was interesting. That he's left out of a lot of these meetings with president trump and Rudy Giuliani. And that would be something. If I was Mick Mulvaney I would want to be in on those calls. The question if I were a Democrat I would want to know is what's the reason he was left. Out of those meetings meetings is it for him to have plausible deniability or is it truly because the the President Moody Giuliani wanted. Attorney client privilege. That is something of this whole article. I think think anyone WanNa know the answer to that. And I think it'd be interesting to find that. Poll allegories is an interesting point. I mean the article. I think indicates that he was leaving the room because He wanted to give them a attorney. Client privilege to me that raises the question. Well then he's he's assuming that that whatever business they are conducting adding is legal. Business is personal is based on the president's personal interests if they're discussing Ukrainian policy and and Mulvaney things it's all the president's personal interest that argues against the very notion that he was doing the people's business in holding up age Ukraine Crane. If it's all just this is all part of his personal. You know shenanigans with Rudy. Giuliani Right I. I have a lot of grail that Kerry speak more precisely though because I'm a terrible lawyer but even a terrible air knows that the attorney client privilege isn't some magic cloak of invisibility. It only applies when you're giving legal advice and of course there's a crime fraud exception if in fact crime was occurring. But it doesn't you know if I'm talking to Meyler Bob Barnett Bessler in the world and it says to me bet on UVA UVA in the Orange Bowl. That's not legal advice. That's good football advice. Perhaps but it's just it's it's why rooting needs to be under oath. why Mr Mulvaney needs to be under oath? Why these these other aides need to be under oath? It's why the pressure on Republican senators is going to be enormous to simply get these people and get the facts. It may be that houses right. It may be that Mr Blair completely exonerates the president. Well let's clear his good name. Let's get Mr Blair up there under oath to clear the good name of our fine unimpeachable president carry. Well you know one of the things. I've sort of come to kind of be pretty sure about is that it's really a good idea to pay your lawyer because your lawyer then is working working for you and was allegedly has your best interest. If you're not paying your lawyer but your deal is you allow your lawyer to make all sorts of side deals with whoever they happen to be able to bring into their net because of their contact with you. That leaves a whole lot of room for Shenanigans. Agains is a stupid word to go on. I mean if Giuliani is using the President Assad's calling card and then striking security deals with breath officials in Ukraine and Turkey and then trying to lobby the president but for client see has and then who knows you know trying to get Madero out in Venezuela but also also then trying to set up security arrangements for the new Venezuelan regime and supply. You know surveillance equipment to the army. None of that is a good idea. If that's your John Dory well it's also the not the nature of Pro Bono lawyering. I mean there's all sorts of really wonderful lawyering that goes onto the during the country. That's pro pro Bono or not for pay and those really are real legal matters but that's not what is going on between the president and Rudy Giuliani and he is engaged in all sorts of if things Paul's right that would not be legally privileges attorney client. They're trying to perhaps maintain some sort of facade that the conversations that they have are the legal gle advice of a lawyer to the client but given all of the other things that Rudy Giuliani is going is involved with that seems unlikely and there is this piece where where we just sort of have come to accept this odd relationship between the president and Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer. But really when we think about what was in that article the passage that was describing where Mick Mulvaney steps out of the office Whenever the president is discussing things with Rudy Giuliani Rudy Guiliani is does not work for the US government he doesn't work for the US. The American people and he really should not be involved in matters of state so if there are actual matters of state that Mick Mulvaney is stepping out for for the president to be able to discuss with Rudy Giuliani. Then that means that the president is using him in a way that is on on that potentially national defense matters or national security matters. Certainly this matter of Ukraine was an important national dispense matter her and so it really is actually quite a serious matter. This unusual relationship than they have. And it's just a blurring of lines between personal personal and official US government twenty-sixth. I'll give you the last thought. Yeah there's nothing more costly inexpensive than free help. And that is the real. Oh concern here. When when Rudy Giuliani is not accepting a paycheck from This president or the United States. It really does raise the question all of this work. He's doing on the side and around around the world. Who is benefiting from that? Hopefully it's this president in the United States but we just don't know tomorrow calling any attorney I've ever met and made sure all my my bills are paid director Darrell L. All the gala. He'll be happy new year still to come tonight to horrific attacks two sets of worshippers this weekend. Why hate crimes are on the arise newham like everybody in Palm Beach no one? No one knows how he made the happening. uh-huh unburdening my short and pulling my body onto already naked body after the night further sixteen years. I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein. The man the multi-millionaire the monster. Now go behind the story with me. Vicki booed hearst of CNN's. New podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I knew Subscribe now wherever you get. You'll put costs hi. Everyone I'm poppy. Harlow out with a new boss files episode. She ran for president was the first woman to run a fortune. Fifty Company and a cancer survivor. Who says she is not afraid of anything anymore Carly Fiorina? She's that with a new book. Find your way unleash your power. and highest potential she was CEO of Hewlett Packard during the dotcom boom and bus us before being fired in what she calls a boardroom brawl. She's face discrimination survived breast cancer and lived through the unimaginable loss of a child. She calls herself a problem solver and says that's why she ran for president after running against then candidate trump in two thousand sixteen gene. Does she think he should be impeached. Now I asked her here at all. I'm boss biles subscribed today tonight. The Attorney General of New York State announced that chill establish a task force which will investigate hate groups after the stabbings stabbings of five people at Hanukkah celebration Saturday night in Rockland. County New York. It's the latest in a series of anti-semitic attacks in around New York City. More than a thousand miles away. We saw another dramatic example of innocent people attacked while trying to practice their faith. This weekend. Man opened fire inside a Texas Church killing two people. We're about to show you that attack as it unfolded and we do want to warn you we all we are blurring the most disturbing images it is disturbing nonetheless. It has also very loud but it is Something we believe it's important to show the bravery of the hero who took down the attack. Her in just a matter of seconds churchgoers dove to the floor. That security members numbers a former reserve deputy sheriff in Firearms Instructor. There's the video of the shootout which you'll see at the top of the screen and that's how fast it happened. As with the shooting in the church the home where the Hanukkah Tac toe place was packed with worshippers. That Gilmore has now with new details in the New York investigation tonight tonight. Federal hate crime charges lay out what prosecutors say was the antisemitic motivation behind a machete wielding attack on his Jews. At a rabbi's home in the middle of a Hannukah celebration investigators say on the suspects phones Internet history from recent days searches for synagogues in New York and New Jersey. The search terms. Why did Hitler hate the Jews? And prominent companies founded by Jews in America from thirty seven year olds home. Investigators say they recovered covered. Handwritten journals expressing antisemitic sentiments and references to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement which asserts they are the true descendants of ancient Israelites and Jews or interlopers. The teachings of the same group were connected says a law enforcement official to the attack on a kosher market in New Jersey earlier this month after me. Hey You I'll get you Yosef. GLUCK was in the Rabbi's home. When the suspect walked in announcing investigators no one his leaving wielding an eighteen inch machete in according to court documents began stabbing and slashing people five people suffered serious injuries including including a severed finger? Slash wounds and deep lacerations one remains in critical condition with a skull fracture. As trump started to come back to the funder. I opened the door so on all gentle bleeding. He stayed in their attacker. Came back from the kitchen to the main room. GLUCK had the presence of mind to chase chase the attacker to his car and get his license plate number less than two hours after the attack. The suspect was arrested by. NYPD officers as he returned to Manhattan the the video of that arrests captured on security cameras and released by NYPD. Investigators say his clothing. An Hans had blood on them and the car smelled of bleach in in a possible attempt to wash away evidence. My impression from speaking with him is that Needs Serious psychiatric. Yeah trich evaluation. At the suspect's family says he is a former marine and is not anti-semitic but does have mental health issues. His lawyer says he looked over the same journals described by investigators. There is no suggestion in any of those ramblings and pages of writing of an anti Semitic motive the CNN Walkman County New York hate attacks like the one in Rockland. County are on the rise. There's no question about it perspective now from Jonathan Greenburg who see uh-huh National Director of the anti-defamation League as someone who has called for you know the full extent of the law on these attacks. I'm wondering when you think about the hate. Crime charges filed today. Look I think it's incredibly important important when someone bursts into a person's home after having driven almost a half an hour with a machete and attempts to butcher them other lighting a Hanukkah minora that that isn't an accident that isn't just a happenstance crime. That's a hate crime plain and simple and calling it out as it is is critical so the broader community community understands. This wasn't just an isolated incident is wasn't just again an attack or crime committed against a single family. It's a threat to the entire community it needs to be treated. And you have seen in New York a arising problem on this rising problem across the country. I mean look. This happened last last weekend. Or the This happened over the past few days after a series of incidents over the past several years we have nearly double the number of antisemitic incidents across the country. Just a few years ago as we are today double double and in New York. We've had hundreds of antisemitic. Instances in Manhattan and in Brooklyn. And now in Muncie. What what accounts for that I mean can you can you? Can you track that. I think there were several things that are affecting US number one and we have an environment where hate has almost become part of the public conversation on a daily basis. We have leaders who engage in prejudice. It happens full. Stop up from the highest levels of the land. Secondly we see leaders and other positions of authority. Who almost dismiss or deny that? anti-semitism is a problem. But when and you fling around conspiracy theories when you make accusations against Zionists in a haphazard sort of way when you hold Jews collectively responsible for all the world's ills this creates an environment which anti-semitism is tolerated at a time when we need zero tolerance policy on prejudice it also when leaders use that battling guage and that have that attitude it emboldens. Everybody else you can think of anti-semitism like a virus it's been around for thousands of years it existed before the United States of America right literally. It's been a problem. Part of the human condition for Millennia so this virus exist just under the surface but when our collective immune system is weakened because getting leaders engage in prejudice because other people. Don't call it out when it happens. Because social media encourages a remarkable amount of slander and stereotyping when our collective immune system weakens the virus exploits and it shows up an awful ugly ways. Blaze has happened this week. I still can't get over Charlottesville. I cannot get over the fact that hundreds of Americans were willing to to show up carrying Nazi flags and chanting. Jews will not replace us in blood and soil. And you know with the Tiki torch march of hundreds of people. I mean I just find that in the United States which battled Nazism which battled hate the that I mean I mean. Obviously I'm not an idiot. I know these groups but the blatant showing of those colors. Yeah I mean it's we were talking about this I remember very distinctly. It's just a few years ago right and our analysts. We knew that rally would be big. It's much larger than we thought. But Flash forward to twenty eighteen. We had a record number of hate crimes. Crimes the third-highest total we've seen in forty years collecting this data. What's interesting is only? Thirteen percent were committed by known white supremacists so stated differently. Almost ninety percent were committed by ordinary people talk about acts of harassment vandalism and violence and the machete assailant assailant this weekend he had known ties to white supremacist groups. We don't know definitively was part of some black Hebrew Israelites. Like we don't know anything about him other than he was a deranged arranged individual. And that's the problem the normalization of anti-semitism Anderson and environment which people feel like it's okay to traffic in these tropes to push around this kind of prejudice. We need our leaders to lead. We need to stop now. Jonathan Green Bladder appreciate your time and thank you just ahead. It is neck and neck in Iowa the top of the race. I'll speak with one of the Democrats who's hoping to break through the logjam former Massachusetts Governor Duval Patrick only five weeks ago for the first real task. The twenty two thousand election with the voters finally get their say Democrats are swarming Iowa with the stakes rising living for the field but fifteen. Now who are left. They're hitting each other more directly in these final days. Maybe Buddha judge went after Joe Biden this weekend for his vote to authorize the Iraq war. The South Bend Mayor called it. The worst foreign policy decision made by the United States in his lifetime Bernie Sanders told an audience that when it comes to questions about his medicare for all plan he should be the only one facing scrutiny. It is fair to ask me how I'M GONNA pay for it that's there but it is also for my opponents to explain to the people in this room why it is just right. The People Pay Ten fifteen twenty thousand dollars a year for healthcare today with their cannot afford that outrageous course breath among the rivals challenging sanders on the Medicare for all concept former Massachusetts governor. Deval Patrick I spoke with him just before airtime tonight. You heard what Bernie he's Anderson says. It's somebody who opposes the idea of Medicare for all. How do you respond to him? Wh Why is it okay. What is the alternative alternative fare? Well first of all the alternative is not the status quo at least in my view. And I think exactly correct to say I oppose Medicare for all because we're frankly we're using that slogan to meet a whole bunch of different things today Anderson what I believe having had the experience of extending health care to ninety nine percent of the residents in Massachusetts food is that building on the with a public option is a better and smarter way to learn as we go and so if that public option is medicare that's fine right but what I like about that approach is that you know the creative tension you have from the private insurance industry on the one hand having to figure out it had to compete for all the folks are going to move to that no cost or low cost public option. That's a good thing in terms of driving system costs down and frankly we need some innovation in Medicare as well your decision to enter the race you entered late. Obviously you know people I talked about you entering before. Was it that you you saw that in. If there are lanes that candidates are in that people will say you're in the more moderate centrist wing of the Democratic Credit Party. They would say you're sort of in the Joe Biden. I Guess Buddha Judge Lane if you will aim at Senator Klobuchar do you see. Ah Joe Biden as I mean. Is that the lane. You're and I you know I really no one likes to be put into it. I mean I. I don't think any was really fits hits in into a box. I we were ready to go a little bit more than a year ago. Actually we were about three weeks from a from a stepping out date when my wife Diane was diagnosed diagnosed with uterine cancer. WHO and we celebrated thirty five years in? May I'm delighted to say an relief today. She's cancer free and continue. Continue to watch a field that includes candidates all of whom I respect and many of whom are my friends but who seem to be missing the moment and missile. Well in in the sense that you know a lot of perfectly understandable focus on the incumbent president and what and how divisive and and and destructive he is but if the if the character of the candidates is always an issue. This time it's the character of the country. We have an opportunity. We now to address the anxiety and the fear and the hurt that everybody is feeling in different ways in many cases for the same reasons and anti use it as an opportunity to unite the country fix systems but also unite the country. Do you think it's a mistake for Democrats to focus so much on. And the character of president trump have mayor Bloomberg running a lot of ads attacking looking focusing on the character of trump I saw there was a poll. Just just a new Gallup poll President Obama in President trump or tied at eighteen percent for the most admired man of two thousand still believe Poles. But but no I look I think I think that that that beating president trump is obviously a prerequisite but if all we do is offer a formula for removing him from office with the implication that. WE'RE GONNA go back to doing what we used to do. We're GONNA miss this moment right right. We have You look at the financial numbers look at the Economic Indicators. They don't tell the whole story right. We have low unemployment so long as you cow. How both are all three of the minimum wage jobs folks doing to survive we? Have we have low inflation as long as you don't count the cost of housing health care. AH education the very things that enable people to lift themselves into onto a path of economic mobility having having grown up you know on welfare on the south side of Chicago and lived my American dream going to college and being a civil rights attorney business executive two-term two-term term governor. I see that American dream becoming more and more out of reach for more and more people I think it is a thing worth defending and I think we will get yet. They're in part by reforming systems. That we also have to have a strategy for growing opportunities. You weren't able to get on the the Michigan primary ballot to you fail to qualify the obviously too key state. Does that make it. I mean how much more difficult does that. Make It for you. Well we're looking at all of our options. I mean that's a wacky situation. I don't so how many of those details you know. There were two candidates who had not announced at the time that the party sent the list over to over to the secretary of state. Won's name they put on and one's name they didn't what's right about that So just fundamentally that didn't work but it turns out you know. There are other candidates it had trouble getting on unbalanced Senator Booker Sector. Castro has had trouble. We've got to kind of messed up system but look. We're going to do what we need to do do. We're raising money to be competitive. We are. We'll be up very soon on television in the early states Particularly New Hampshire and and South Carolina. We have organizations in each each of those states and it's a wide open race so You know I'm late. Her not late later. It's not late until the voters vote and it's important portent remember that all the time. Thanks for having me after she after you. Thank you more coming up on this eve of New Year's Eve including my conversation with musical agent. Linda Linda Ronstadt her artistry in her incredible career when you Linda Ronstadt is one of this country's musical musical legends from rock to Country Rhythm and blues. She's sword with her unique voice and presence. I spoke with a recently the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts in Washington about her beginnings beginnings or self confidence or lack of times in the incredible arc of her career. It's all part of the news. CNN Film Linda Ronstadt the sound of my voice. I hadn't realized is how early you started singing. It seems like music from their earliest memories. Were were song when it was on the panel when you were to. Yeah it's called tweet tweet tweet. It was about bird. Did you ever plan on becoming a superstar. Or what is it about that. I thought I wanted to sing and I thought it would be nice if I could make my living singing. Hadn't been paying the rent and groceries. Wouldn't have to go work in a bank or something else but And I always managed to do that. I never had to get a different job but you know when I was getting paid thirty dollars a week to to sing. I thought I was doing fine. I thought that was really success. what did you feel when you were singing and especially early on. I just felt like I wanted to make myself feel like music that I'd liked made me feel you know I'd hear your love. It the non or no Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald and I go on and do that on a feel that way. The act of singing was it was the joyful. Well it was something because people used to turn around on night saying you know in school. You're supposed to pretend thing you kind of all but I was going. Let's sing. Can you know because my family saying so I stay with my older brother who is in the Tucson Arizona Boys Choir at one of the Solos and he was wonderful and he taught you about Brdo and yeah he did and and we learned harmonies. We just didn't have to be taught them. We just knew how to sing harmony. We used to sing in the back of the car. We sing with our hands in the dishwater. I think everybody should do their own singing. You don't have to be a professional. You don't have to delegate your sorrows to professional delegates for privacy you know some of these thing in your bedroom in some music is something you play the piano. Maybe just a select group of friends. Not Everything has spent the big world where you confident as a singer. Did you know how good you you were. I never thought it was good. I always thought I might get a little bit tomorrow but I always felt that my phrasing was kind of hopeless in the in the documentary. It somebody says about you that when you would be on on stage if you saw people in the front row to people are whispering to each other that you assumed they were saying bad things. Can't they really felt that. Even I mean you're on a stage in front of thousands of people minds go see you don't see the audience very much let but you are so you can pretend you're all all by yourself. That's what I see the audience I go. Why are all those people staring at me because in the animal kingdom when some another animal staring at you they probably you hostile gesture? Yeah Yeah it's just deep deep rooted in Instinct you know. was there ever a point where you were satisfied with it with the quality of it in the nineties. I Sang Hang better than I sang in the eighties in the eighties and seventies up so the only thing. It's always a work in progress. It's it's very weird here recording. Because it's frozen in time and when you gawk saying it better in Jacksonville Florida and nineteen seventy eight. You know you remember the moment that you really achieve something. But it's not the whole song been it's just a phrase or a note you ego all that that was the gold standard so it's just a little a little piece of of a song that you feel okay that that meets my standards records like Oh that phrase was is is that measure was nice. That's Aung sucked. You know that. That's improves I ever good thing my whole life anyway songwriter. But you pick songs and you made them your own and I mean you in such an extraordinary way. How do you know what songs to? It seems like a number of them. You you heard on a radio or you heard somewhere. Well here's something and I would speak to me urgently. That was like something I'd felt in my life. So it was only a phrase you know and I have to figure out how it would make the rest of the song fit and sometimes was not musically terribly well suited to my style but after bank it that way as I said a remarkable artists and a remarkable career. Here's a quick preview of that scene and films documentary. Linda Ronstadt the sound of my voice. She came to Los Angeles. I was eighteen years old and we found it a little band ourselves to stone ponies in the Lsu was in Europe and the whole damn thing broke loose about music. Folk Music Co Mingling. How can we define line? Would Be Glenda was the queen. She was like what beyond says now she was. The only female artist has five platinum albums. Inner role. I can't help it if I'm still in love with you. When they hit on the country charts? You're no good what's ahead on both the R&B charted and the pop chart by became the first artists to have a hit on all three charts. She was the first female rock and roll star. Lost at the sound of my voice New Year's Day on CNN who get New Year's Eve twenty twenty is just about here in fact less than twenty four hours from now income. When I will once again be in Times Square where the weather forecast is actually not terrible? Look it's one of the joys of last year's program. I'm so grateful that it's in the forties tonight. Take care about the rape. No one cares about the rain. The rain is really pick it up. no talking about the what else but I want to. I'm yeah they don't even want to stop the umbrella. It's been a fight. Yes we've been fighting with our son. Though he he literally would put paddy wagon. I did I wake the printed. This umbrella it's through. This is so wade anybody. It's like what what do they care about an umbrella. I was so happy before. I just want to say it's boring. By the way I finally at one point commercial commercial break turned to Andy Show on the stupid umbrella and the rain no one wants to hear about. It even stopped talking about. By the Way Times Square lines they reversed their decision now. Allow umbrellas so indies as he likes this thing himself is like the norm array of Times Square. There's almost no chance of rain tomorrow night. According to weather the reports which I never really believed coverage kicks off tomorrow night. Eight PM Eastern live from Times Square. We go to twelve thirty. Don Lemon takes over just as he does right now. Turnover Don Lemon and CNN tonight. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of search rich podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here search metrics inc.. CEO Jordan Kuni. As he delivers actionable insights dowdy was data to navigate. 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#441 - Day 1: Impeachment
"Get Access to over sixteen hundred hours of commercial free content by supporting the show at Patriotair Dot com slash. David C smalley. What you're about to hear me upset upset you or make you laugh or both but most importantly it will make you think from Los Angeles California? This this is done with David. Smalley the dog. This is a very special episode. Because I I just sat here watching twelve and a half hours of the impeachment trial fake pseudo court that is our government This is going to be a quick update on what happened for those of you. You who are one you know have real lives had jobs and things to handle and for the two are interested in my opinion on these things. Now I'm not gonNA introduced to much of my opinion. I don't think it it's just A. It's really sad that everything is so partisan I think that's the the biggest disappointment takeaway from all this Here's essentially what happened if you missed the impeachment a day. One of the impeachment trial. The summary here is that Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader Put forth a resolution to say here. Are the rules rules that we're going to abide by for the trial and it was really unfair. It said that they had twenty four hours to each side. Had Twenty four hours to make arguments but they had to do it all in two days each which would mean there would be twelve. Hours of evidence presented each day and and Just kind of forces people to get tired and pay attention. And there's just no reason for that and the Clintons rile in nineteen ninety nine. They had twenty four hours but they had four days to spread those those twenty four hours so it was essentially six hours per day and Mitch. McConnell was trying to force that to be doubled old twelve hours per day so the minority leader Chuck Schumer started pushing back on that and saying let's let's have a resolution to change this. Let's have a resolution change that now. They had some sort of lunch before it even started. I think this is where the news media the CNN's and ends ABC's the CBS. Sort of put some pressure on The Senate majority leader McConnell by just saying how ridiculous ridiculous. This was because by lunch just an hour before. The trial started. McConnell changed that to being three days days to spread out the twenty four hours so now they'll have eight hour days instead of twelve hour days but I think there are a few Republicans who who have hinted that they will be somewhat reasonable and they they pushed back on McConnell and said look. We're not gonNA. We're not going to go for this. So Oh he changed that one piece jeans somebody else. That was relatively small. It didn't really matter so then it came time for are today was not the beginning of trying to convict Donald Trump or trying to remove him from office. Today was focused on. I'm agreeing on the rules of the trial. which is very important because if the majority which are the Republicans right now we have fifty three seats in the Senate? Democrats have forty five and there are two independent so we tend to count the Independence with Democrats they caucus with Democrats so it tends needs to be fifty three to forty seven When the Republicans have control anything the majority leader wants? Which is Mitch? He tends tends to get people will vote along party lines. And that's why these midterm elections are so damn important. You don't think about it until something like this happens. I mean this is essentially means that if more Democrats showed up to vote or more liberals or independence and showed up to vote against conservatives in just four other areas for other states trump would be removed from office four states now. Because we don't have those four states we have this ridiculous burden of asking a Republican Republican a Republican controlled Senate to remove a Republican president from office and give up power in the executive active branch. And you may be thinking. No no no because Mike Pence will become president not in this situation because he would likely be indicted as well. Oh because more than one witness has suggested that pence knew exactly what was going on he would be removed and then you were president would be Nancy Pelosi easy the speaker of the House. So you're asking a majority Republican Senate who vote to remove trump and pence essentially giving the presidency or the executive branch over to the Democrats. Let's and the Democrats also already hold The House of Representatives so out of the three branches of government the Republicans currently have to do the Democrats only have one in your asking them to completely shift the balance of power to the Democrats. It's it's nearly impossible and by the way I I was wrong about the four votes. Let me back up two thirds of the Senate half the actually vote to remove him from office the four other ones the reason I connected the dots so quickly that if we had four other states he be removed from office because those four other states would. We wouldn't be having to have these arguments. It's should we present witnesses. Should we allow this testimony. Should we subpoenaed documents for this. Should we now go into the amendments in just a moment that represented that the Democrats are having to fight for but I think the trial rules would be much more fair if if the Democrats had the majority in the Senate and then the evidence would be presented much more clearly and it would be really hard for Republicans to not vote to remove that president now in order to actually remove the president. You need two thirds not just a simple majority so we need like twenty Republicans to cross the line and say we donald trump out of office. We know how slim those odds really are right but the more evidence the Democrats propose the more reasonable. It seems that that is the best solution. And so so today's twelve hour or twelve and a half hour. Fiasco was essentially just to agree on the rules. Some of these rules are pretty ridiculous. First of all Now this is this is on par with the nineteen ninety ninety nine trial of Bill Clinton who. which is you? Don't have a vote on witnesses until Oh after the opening arguments the problem with that in this case and and they tend to use precedent in law right so so they you keep looking back at the most recent time this happened and go. Let's do what we did then with a slight change based on what we want to happen which makes sense so he took that that is a skeleton and said let's just add some stuff to it. The problem is last time there were tons of documents turned over willingly. There were witnesses interviewed. I mean they talk about they. Were talking today about them interviewing literally the window washers washers at the White House to see what they saw. I mean the the deposed I think they said over a hundred people some said hundreds I mean they deposed so many people I think three people actually testified something like forty. People testified in the in the Andrew Jackson impeachment So for in this situation to have it set up it these. These Democrats are not willing to wait until after opening arguments to have a vote on witnesses. This is because they're saying Republicans from the from. The jump have not been fair. They have blocked every single subpoena. They've blocked every single witness. They've Dave refused to turn over documents. This is not nineteen ninety nine. It is way more bipartisan. Sorry it is way more partisan than Things were in nineteen ninety nine There were Democrats who were like. And what maybe we should get. This guy This should be voted to be impeached. He wasn't removed from office. He was impeached impeached. But let's think about just pause for a moment think about what Bill Clinton did He cheated on his wife with an intern she he. He got a blowjob from an intern and lied about it. Now when you lie about it under oath that's perjury. It becomes a crowd that's essentially. There's more to it but that for for the most part that's why Bill Clinton was impeached. This president trump. Has I mean if you want to compare the two my my goodness trump trump. He's got a a a a rap sheet a mile long of stuff that he's done that's inappropriate or whatever so then the argument from the pundits the Republicans come come on there. It says high crimes and misdemeanors. He shouldn't be allowed to. You should be able to impeach him because you. I don't like the guy there's been no crime committed There have been nineteen impeachments in our government. Three Presidents Sixteen other officials have been impeached. Some for being considered mentally incapable of holding office. That's not a crime. One for being intoxicated. That's not a crime. Think about all the things that our the president could do that would be inappropriate but not a crime one commentator I believe on ABC said imagine if Donald Trump decided to just give Alaska to Putin. What's not a crime but certainly we would want him impeached for that? There are tons of things you can do to violate the constitution to violate the trust to abuse power to obstruct Congress from looking into your actions that would be considered impeachable but not a crime and then add to this the Gao which is the government accountability office came out on January. I don't remember six Mr so and said that What trump did is a federal crime literally literally broke the law so this whole time and I kept getting frustrated today watching this if they would argue That crime doesn't have to be committed. This is fine. Make the argument but at least circle back and say but he did commit a crime. That's part of my problem with this. They're not they're not circling back and touching on the actual crime. He did commit. And when I tweeted needed that out today during the discussions around whether or not he committed a crime. Here's what I said I said please realize even if there was no call no quid pro quo. No blocking witnesses no blocking documents and no lies. Trump still violated federal law and deserves impeachment. Congress appropriated funds to Ukraine. He stopped it unconstitutionally. That is a crime someone very thoughtful reply. Apply to me and said Alexander Pope Replied and said what part of the Constitution did he violate late. I've only heard that his actions were illegal. I'm just wondering how that works. Here was my reply article. One section nine clause seven of the constitution. I'll say it again if you're taking notes the US Constitution Article One section nine clause seven gives Congress congress the sole right to appropriate funds to this foreign government for aid now. The president has the ability to veto that but in this case he did not when he signed it it became law. They proposed it. Congress approved it. The president signed it became federal law when the president then decides to hold that aid that has been appropriated by Congress it is a federal crime crime and the Government Accountability Office has confirmed that Donald Trump broke federal law by withholding this aid period. Now I'm going to move on. Here are the amendments that were proposed by the Democrats today. Here's what you missed in. This is a quick rundown. Trust me. This was twelve and a half hours of me sitting in front of this television Taking notes and just being focused So that I could do this. Show show at midnight The and some of them are very generic. The first one was The right to subpoena because keep good mind. Republicans have said from the beginning. You're not getting any evidence and part of Mitch. McConnell's resolution was whatever evidence you submitted in your articles as we're going to go by will Will vote on. Its on this other stuff later. The Democrats in the First Amendment said We want to subpoena documents from the White House. Anything having to do with Joe Biden Hunter Biden anything having to do with Ukraine. We WanNA see documents. We WanNA see emails back and forth from the president and I'm pretty clear no brainer. Right if he's on trial and he hasn't done anything wrong I wouldn't he say here. Are My emails look at them. I didn't do what you accused me of instead when they. They subpoenaed him in the house. He didn't respond when the they ask for the documents. He did not turn them over. He has stonewalled every single step of the way in. Here's the frustrating part. Here's the frustrating part. The his legal team is now standing up in the Senate going. You're not prepared. You have no evidence and it it it makes you wanna just throw the remote at the TV. Because you're going they requested. Did the evidence. The president blocked them so they added a second article of impeachment would which was obstruction of Congress for blocking evidence. And you have the nerve to stand here and go. You don't have any evidence. Why didn't you? Why didn't you appeal that and take that to court because because it takes months for years to go through that process and the house apparently somewhat trusted the Senate to do their job and that's been the frustrating part for me is he stonewalled every step of the way and then said look? You're a failure very similar to what happened with Obamacare obamacare started off offers beautiful plan. Republicans chipped away at it to the point that it wasn't that great of a deal and then when it got accepted in past and put in the cab going look how terrible it is and here. I am as a liberal telling you I hate obamacare. I liked it at first. I like it was gonna be didn't like what it turned out to be not surprisingly these this very basic idea of. Let's see your emails. Let us see the documents. Please let subpoena the stuff. Republicans voted unanimously fifty. Three all fifty three of them said Nope we're going to table this the word tabling comes up allot and all that means is set aside and vote on it later. At least that's what they say. Now Adam Schiff doesn't believe that that's the real plan he says that but they're they're saying will vote on it later. Have our argument than ask all the right questions and then ask for evidence now in what world does that make sense. It's why in the hell. Would you get twenty four hours to present a case when half of your were eighty percent of your evidence is tied up because the defendant obstructed your ability to get the evidence and then and and then and then the defendant works directly with the judges. And that's what these guys are to let them full. You are not jurors these judges ages in the Senate the Republicans working in and Mitch McConnell has said I'm working directly with the White House. I'm coordinating with the White House on what they want. I'm working with the president. Imagine the defendant working directly with the judge on what evidence will be allowed against him. That's what we're dealing with here. So whenever whatever he asked for whenever the Democrats asked for the White House documents and emails relating relating to Ukraine and Joe Biden Hunter Biden Him and Brisebois and Strike for a crowd strike in all these other. Republicans voted. Don't said No. You can't have the evidence we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA table that and talk about it later. They said look. We'll talk about rather not you need that evidence. After we hear your argument and review your evidence that was shot down fifty three to forty seven the next amendment was they wanted State Department documents and emails that were redacted now. You're talking about documents from the Office of the secretary and this one gets interesting and by the way in this his trial they were. They had a screen. They were doing a presentation. The Democrats did a beautiful job of flashing stuff up on the screen and essentially they kind of got away way with presenting some of the evidence they were not allowed to present so they would say. Here's an email and they would pop up on the screen and go. This is the email we wanna get because when we originally asked for it and it was a part of it was given to us. The whole thing was redacted except upped one-sentence at the bottom and it was considered. Oh at this is stuff. You're not supposed to be able to see because it's redacted because it's secret government stuff but then it was a separate lawsuit lawsuit On the American God what is it the whatever. The act is about Accessibility ability to information. I can't think of what it's called now Patriot Act as a Patriot anyway. whatever it was that that they actually won that lawsuit and got the email from the White House unredacted be through a different lawsuit and they saw that what had been previously. Redacted was not some sort of Secret classified government stuff it was incriminating things to Donald Trump. It was saying. This guy's withholding aid for political reasons. They were the people in the White House talking back and forth and through State Department's going. I'm not going to be part of this. This is an appropriate. Who is approving in this? Why is this being withheld? Why is the president doing this? This is inappropriate. People are arguing and they're showing these emails on the screen and and the Senate and they're saying we know there are more like this. We want to subpoena all of these documents from the State Department. We want these documents from the office of the secretary. We see that things were redacted. That shouldn't have been and we got the other full email through the other La suit. We saw it. The only thing that was hiding was stuff that was incriminating Donald Trump. So now we know that they were intentionally redacting things that they weren't supposed to so there's more to hide their. Let's dive in deeper. Let us go get more of those emails and the Republicans said No. Let's table it. Fifty three to forty seven straight party. Line vote why are they voting against the American people having access to this evidence now. One one person on twitter said David. They're not voting against it saying to just table it Adam Schiff said it best on the Senate floor. He said a vote to delay is vote to deny why. Why would you want to delay this? You want us to do our opening arguments and our twenty four hour presentation without evidence and then you want to constantly come back up to the podium and say all these Democrats don't have any evidence it is beyond frustrating. The third amendment was Oh embiid documents in emails. Now this one is one of the most damning A wimpy is the office of of think was it management and budget. I notice bottle. The B. is for budget It's their budget officials. They wanted to They wanted colby documents in email so there were emails and this is also related to the sixth amendments. While go ahead and do that now with Robert Blair and Michael Duffy Duffy. Duffy is the one that actually came in and stopped the aid to Ukraine. I believe Blair was an official that had been a long longtime budget official official. Who was actually in charge of releasing the funds bl Duffy was appointed by. Trump is a political appointee. Had No experience in the office of Management Budget and all he came in took over just the Ukraine portion and said. We're GONNA stop these funds and Blair didn't know why so. There was some confusion as to why it was being withheld the emails back and forth between Blair and his colleagues there are emails back and forth between Duffy. I'm Blair as to why Duffy was taken over this particular account. And he had no previous budget experience but he was a political appointee directly from Donald Trump. This is excruciatingly cruciate only important to get to the bottom of so democrats and let us see. Duffy's emails let us see Blaise. Communications let US see the communications between Donald Trump and Duffy and if there's even classified in their redacted but let us see the stuff pertaining to the withholding the Ukraine funding fifty three to forty seven. It was voted. No let's table it time after time. Mitch McConnell stood up and said let's block this. Let's table it. Let's do this another time. And it was voted down party lines to not give the Democrats the evidence they wanted. So that's a number three number six number four. They asked for Mick Mulvaney as a witness they actually played video clips of Mick Mulvaney any at the press conference where one of the reporters says was the investigation a a part of the reason that the was withheld to Ukraine. And he goes. Yeah the twenty sixteen stuff was certainly part of that Mick. Mulvaney who the the Press Secretary for the White House and and and then the reporter response because that is a quid pro quo. You're saying that if they didn't do the investigation they weren't getting the money that's a quid. Pro Quo and move any response on national television. We do that all the time. Get get used to it. Foreign policy is a part of of this process. Now you go look at the officer The General Accountability Office. They say that for a president to withhold appropriated funds for policy. The reasons is a violation of federal law because Congress has that authority not the president. Once he signed into into the into law and doesn't veto it. He's lost his power he it's a law now he can't make a law and then break it you it just. It doesn't work. He still he still has to follow the laws even if he helped make them so they show this clip they show communications they show testimony from Sauna and testimony from from Feeling Hill. They showed testimony from other people during the White House. Briefings one house. The House of Representative Hearings on impeachment. They play these clips of all these people pointing to Mick Mulvaney. As he was the guy that was spearheading this all and working with Duffy to stop the funds in Ukraine. And they showed I mean they laid out the perfect case. For why Mick Mulvaney is the guy to bring in fifty three to forty seven. Republicans don't want to hear from him. We'll table that. Make your the argument without Mick Mulvaney. And then we'll decide. If Mick Mulvaney needs to testify in every time the Democrats come up and go. Well we don't have this evidence but we know it exists because people have testified under oath that it's there and they will turn over their notebooks and their handwritten notes. They said they would do it. We just need need to provide them a subpoena and the Donald Trump's legal team stands up and goes. You want us to do your job. You had your chance house house too bad you want us to do your bidding too bad. You don't have evidence you don't have witnesses. And the repeatedly they can't saying Donald Trump didn't get a chance to defend himself and you're hearing. He was invited on October tenth. And by the head of the Judiciary Committee. Jeffrey Nadler in writing. Please join us at the hearing. Bring your legal counsel have your say. Call your witnesses. Donald Trump refused. He said he was not coming and then he would be ignoring all subpoenas moving forward and that's exactly what he did in now these guys stand up and have the nerve to say the Donald Trump didn't get a fair shake during during the impeachment hearing so when it came time to vote a Mick Mulvaney you'd think this would be pretty clear. This is the guy we need to hear from. I mean this is the guy who said on television. Yes that was part of the reason we help funding and when asked about the quid pro quo. He said get you still it. That happens all the time. Fifty three to forty seven. They said we don't need to hear from him. Let's table that for later her. The Fifth Amendment was Department of Defense documents on Ukraine and again they showed email after email after email text messages from dod officials back and forth about how al disturbing it was that the aid was being held up and nobody could explain why including messages that said One of them would say Congress is is going to become unhinged if they find out about this they knew what was happening was so bad that they wanted to to stop it but they didn't have the power. The president was pushing this through with his minions that he had appointed these. Were not elected officials doing these things. These are people that Donald trump handpicked handpicked in put in place dod documents the Department of Defense on Ukraine grain policy. We need to see those. We need to see what happened. Emails back and forth text messages between people on these government. Government phones fifty three to forty seven. It was voted down. We don't need to see that table make a presentation without that evidence. You didn't do. Your job have already told you about the sixth amendment the budget officials the OEM be guys Blair in Duffy The several just my only note here says Moore related documents. They just wanted more related documents from the same same type of stuff. And I'm telling you. This was literally twelve hours of them popping up screens popping up documents popping up screen shots that they had been leaked and said this is page one one. We want the other forty seven pages I'm telling you right now. Lev Parnassus Rudy. Giuliani's associate said himself self. He has over one thousand documents that he is turned over and that he is willing to testify and he was one of the ones that was in the mix helping dictate all of this in Ukraine in. He didn't even come up today. That's how strong Democrats cases. They don't even need life have partners to make this argument. They've picked four witnesses that they want and love is not one of them because he's the least credible because he's currently indicted needed for campaign finance fraud for trying to donate three hundred twenty five dollars under a fake company to a super PAC that supports which trump checkout my exposing. Sean Hannity episode for more details on that so so that one was voted down more related documents to to the State Department and to The Department of events the Eighth Amendment was the biggest one. The Eighth Amendment was asking for Ambassador Ambassador John Bolton to testify now John Bolton is a national security adviser he was the ambassador to the EU he. He was The whole European Union. He was trump's point guy for everything that goes on over there and if you read the transcripts of the calls Alinsky talked a lot what about the EU. So John Bolton was definitely in the middle of it in John Bolton is the one that called this a drug deal and said he wanted nothing to do with it and when love partners was talking talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN. He said that John Bolton knew about it but wanted nothing to do with it and disagreed with it. He was trying to talk people out of it and said I want nothing nothing to do with your drug deal. The house Tried to subpoena him. They were going going to subpoena him. They invited him to testify in writing. He refused. He refused and said if you subpoena me I will sue you and we will drag this out for months or years. And the attorney by the way that John Bolton had at the time was currently already already suing House Democrats for subpoenaing another client so they knew he would follow through on his threat so they were like it's pointless. We're going to do all this paperwork. We're going to subpoena We're going to be tied up in court for months maybe a year or two. There's no point so they did not officially subpoena John Bolton once the articles of impeachment were approved and it was all done John Bolton came out and said you know what. I'll testify in the Senate if they subpoena me so he had a change of heart also has a book coming out. Maybe there's something to do with it and and Democrat said we'd like we'd like to talk to Bolton guess what happened. They showed testimony feeling a hill pointing back to Bolton they showed clips of people talking implicating Bolton and the whole thing saying that Bolton called it a drug deal they showed text text messages back and forth with Sunland. Volker Same Bolton was against this and Bolton didn't want this to happen Bolton is a key central figure in this and is Donald Trump's top ambassador. The ambassador to the European Union of which Ukraine is a part fifty. Three to forty seven voted down. We don't need to hear from John Bolton Alton not right now table we'll talk about it later make your case without him for the ninth amendment. They're only eleven the ninth amendment List of force votes on witnesses. Mrs and documents right now. Let's force a vote. Let's not let's have the evidence right. This second force a vote right now home on whether or not these witnesses in these documents irrelevant we just want to. We literally arguing to have a vote to ask for witnesses that somehow trials work. It's not a trial without witnesses. Fifty three to forty seven said. We're not gonNA vote on that now. We'll table that for later the tenth amendment. It's pretty low hanging fruit when they got to this. I finally sat up and went. Come on somebody and Mitch McConnell's resolution for the rules. He said that they get to have some sort of overnight night. Deliberation thing and present their Their argument and if the Democrats would only have two hours to provide a written response now to this in a perspective in the nineteen ninety nine Clinton trial they had forty one hours to provide a written response and Mitch. McConnell only wants to give the Democrats two hours to respond since today was all about the rules Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff argued two hours not enough time Adam. Schiff walks up to the opponent says this is very simple very straightforward. We'd like twenty four hours to respond not forty one but not too. Can we please have twenty four hours to respond to not two hours. Only one Republican Cross party lines and agreed with Democrats on something so obviously unfair fifty two to forty eight. That amendment was defeated. Susan Collins if you're wondering is the one who crossed party lines and Said said let's give the Democrats more than two hours. She stood with the Democrats and lost the final amendment breath number eleven. Adam Schiff walks up to the podium and says he disguised behind me here. Chief John Roberts. The chief justice of the Supreme Court appointed by George W Bush Republican appointed ended Supreme Court justice. Let's let him decide what witnesses irrelevant. This was a bold move by Adam Schiff because he I mean for all intents and purposes the chief Roberts could be considered a republican conservative judge in his identify of the Party. I get it. But he's definitely maybe he does. I don't I know that much about him. But he was appointed by George Bush. So it's not like He's a Ruth Bader Ginsburg over there. Right Adam Schiff in house. Democrats agreed to put it in his hands because they believed he is a reasonable conservative. There will be very hard for him to say. Yeah Mick Mulvaney testimony's not important John Bolton's testimony's not important. We need to hear from the guy. Duffy and Blair who actually stopped the funding wing for Ukraine. Trump's legal team walked up to the MIC and said Yeah. This isn't an appellate court the Senate's in charge here. Please please deny this motion and fifty three to forty seven then defeated the Democrats. That's what you missed over this twelve and a half hour ridiculousness the couple of times where. There's one time where where where. Jeffrey Nadler got a little animated. Said you should be ashamed of yourselves your blocking your violating the constitution. He looked over at trump's legal team a few times and said he was disgusted by the whole proceeding. He raised his voice a little and then trump's team got backup. They stared him down for several seconds at a time and made similar comments but they were a little more harsh and little more nasty because they really pissed that he would call them out and there he didn't just come out with facts and documents and say here's what we need. He was like. Here's what you need. I know you're gonNA voted down because you don't care about the constitution and Trump's legal team was like you need to respect the Senate. This is a place of respect in. You don't need to be nasty ear. You're in throwing insults. And when that guy finished up chief John Roberts said I admonish both sides. Remember where are you are and there was a slight moment of him appearing to take control and telling people to respect a synonym make no mistake about added he's he's got the black The black robot. He's sitting in the big daddy boss chair. But he's is not in charge. I Mitch McConnell's IT Mitch. McConnell is in charge of that room and Mitch McConnell because he has the majority on his side is working cassette already that he's working directly with the president coordinating directly with the President on. What's going to be allowed? And what's not. We have essentially created a situation in which the defendant is choosing how his trial is run. This is complete embarrassment of justice. Adam Schiff had a couple of good quotes. Throw at you before I go. He said at one point about all this witnesses about all these all evidence is not going to be allowed at about the testimony. That's being blocked. He said think about the schedule senators others. We have six We have twenty four hours to present. The defense has twenty four hours of testimony to respond. And then you senators have sixteen hours to question us. It's going to be really hard and that is a long time to ask questions about documents. You've never seen about text messages. You've never read about witnesses. You've never heard from what exactly are you going to ask about. So the idea now what the Republicans want not. The rules are saddened by the way the very last motion was to vote on the resolution. And guess what it past fifty three to forty seven so Mitch McConnell one he got his way the Republicans got his way. Donald Trump got his way with very few concessions. Then at the end of it. All the The Democrats will get three days three eight hour days to make their case missing. Eighty five percent of their evidence. Trump's legal team will get the equal amount of time to respond and make fun of them for not having any evidence akin to the big brother is sitting on his little brother's chest holding his little brother's arm making his little brother hit himself in the face. And and go. Why are you hitting yourself while you're hitting yourself or maybe taking his lollipop and holding it way above his head get it get it? Don't you want it only look. You can't jump high enough get it get it. Ha Ha. You can't reach each it. After Donald Trump's legal team has their eight hours a day. Dave three days which I don't know what the Hell GonNa save for that one. Because every time they walk into the mic they were there for four and a half minutes and yielded time back to the room. I mean they. Each had an hour the present the Democrats sometimes would use forty minutes. Fifty one minutes sometimes twenty five or thirty. The Republican side ride the Trump's legal team with literally walk up for two minutes three minutes and just go. You guys don't do your job. This is this is Tara. You hate the constitution. I yield my time and then they just stormed back. They would never actually respond to the evidence that was presented. The screen shots the emails. Does the text messages the videos that were played. The Democrats had so much evidence for why they needed subpoenas to pull these people into the court. Proceedings dings and trump's legal team had no real response so after the after trump's lawyers do there eight hours a day for three days of defending themselves. The Senate gets sixteen hours to ask questions but they can't just ask the to write it down and pass it up to the Front for achieve justice to read the question in this goes on for sixteen hours presumably over two days. They ask a bunch of questions and then after the Democrats have proposed. They're they're made their case. And after trump's team has defended in after the sixteen hours hours of questions then they are going to vote on whether or not they should allow evidence or witnesses and Adam Schiff repeatedly said that he and he would call out trump's legal team he would go look. It was very telling telling. Did you hear what he just said. They're not even really planning on. He just slipped up the not even planning on voting on witnesses. They're planning on proposing a a vote to see if we should vote on witnesses and I know that sounds confusing. But the reason they would do that is because then they can all say saying public record. I never voted against witnesses. One time I voted to table witnesses and talk about it later and then later we voted on whether or not we should vote and we voted not to vote. We didn't vote against witnesses. This is American Eric in politics and most of these people don't want across the Party line and do what's right because they may be up for election they don't WanNa go back to their home. Stayed there little red region in the middle of Alabama somewhere in have the Democrat run against them and go no. He voted to remove trump or another republican trying to knock out the incumbent. He voted to remove trump. This is a Republican. Who stabbed you in the back black and trying to take away the people's president they don't give a damn about us they don't give a damn? AM This is a game to them and the people that only truly seem to care are the Democrats and independence. There's a lot more I could share with you. I'm going to cut it off now. I'M GONNA keep this one short. There's a lot more I could share but This was day one. I don't think I'm going to have it in me to do it every day and have pretty much seen most of the evidence. The most of the arguments presented by the Democrats. I don't know what they could possibly. We do tomorrow. any differently but As I feel that I need to give a quick rundown for you. I'd love to do it remember. You can always get these full episodes completely commercial free by supporting the show at Patriot dot com slash. David C smalley in this. I really hope that that these Republicans at least four of them find their conscience and I'm really helped Democrats come out among those sixteen hours of questions and go. I can't answer your question senator because I don't have access to the document because the president and blocked it. Oh you would like to see that email I would too. I don't have it and when we tried to subpoena it in the house. We were ignored. We don't have the same authority that the Senate does the Senate can drag you kicking and screaming in handcuffs into that room. The Senate or the House of Representatives has to take you to court and fight that through appeals and months and months of battles maybe a year or two and Adam. Schiff talked about that several times. That he's been in court battles for up to three years on some subpoenas so this is an outrageous claim by the do nothing Lazy Democrats that Sean Hannity will tell you. Trump has no defense. That's why he's blocking a tweet that I put out today. There are a couple of them. You WanNa follow me on twitter. I will be live tweeting during the day as I'm able to watch. I do have a couple of meetings tomorrow. That's GonNa pull me away from the trial but for the most part I will be staying in touch so if you WanNa follow me of David. C Smalley on twitter. I tweeted today. Fifty three Republicans that were entrusted by the people to represent them just voted against seeing evidence White House documents and hearing from witnesses who claimed to have direct involvement in trump's action. This is disgusting. I tweeted one with Adam shifts comments today that literally made me laugh out loud. He said I guess that's one way to drain the swamp. Have all of your associates go to jail. Adam Schiff when I first saw him I thought he's going to be very good. He seems like he's going to be an awkward guy that he stands up there and he's got charisma he's funny. He's not reading like all the other democratic managers are. He's just talking off the cuff. He cares about this. He knows his shit. He's Good Adam. Schiff is really good. He's really smart. He's a damn good lawyer. Here's the last week. Radio trump got a court to hide his finances from the public. He blocked his taxes from being released. He blocked thirteen subpoenas for witnesses. He blocked the House from viewing subpoenaed documents. He is now blocking his security adviser from testifying. But he's innocent. I'll keep you updated as much as I possibly can. You can't change the outcome of this but you can write your Congressmen and women write your senators. Tell them how you feel because at the end of the day. Hey they just WANNA keep their damn jobs and if they think that their jobs are threatened just maybe the vote a little differently. Let's do the one thing you can't control. Please drive like you know each other.
November 4, 2019
"Good Monday morning I'm Anna Palmer and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing stay tuned after the show for a message from the American Investment Council and I'm Jay Sherman in President Donald Trump just made this month much more interesting speaking on the South Lawn the president left the door open to a government shutdown in seventeen days I he said no no no when asked if he would shut the government down because he was being impeached then he said it depends on what the negotiation I wouldn't commit to anything it depends on what the negotiation Russian is remember the government shutdown date is November twenty first congresses last day in session before the Thanksgiving Break Congress would revolt at the idea of a shutdown and Democrats Democrats are never going to relent that impeachment because of a shutdown some in the capital think they'll be able to override the president's veto of a spending bill needless to say the president is toying with the shutdown this this month might not be on autopilot. Here's what's happening on impeachment today the House is out but four witnesses are scheduled for depositions today all of them own Robert Blair and Brian McCormack John Eisenberg and Michael Ellis of the NFC are expected to skip their meeting with the impeachment investigators the La Times is reporting putting the President Donald Trump is lashing out in California as wildfires rage in the state tweeting that Governor Gavin Newsom and representative Adam Schiff had had failed to properly manage the state's forests the president is fixated on outing the name of the whistle blower and Daniel reports that the president does not think impeachment should get emme coverage although he's consuming a lot of coverage about impeachment and we've got some News Am Wall Street Journal's Mike Benders writing a book it's titled Selling Trump the inside inside story of the two thousand twenty reelection campaign that will give an unprecedented look at the business of presidential campaigns and the marketing of Donald Trump's political brand going behind behind the scenes on key decisions for the trump team during the two thousand sixteen and Twenty twenty elections that Ladimir and Keith urban of Javelin Representative Benner Sean Desmond Will Edit the book for Twelve Books The New York Times is a piece in the next potential frontier of the culture words as conservatives push to make Trans Kids in school sports the next battleground around on the two thousand twenty front the Texas Abused Reporting Democrats don't have twenty twenty candidate who would beat trump in Texas today that's according to a new Texas Tribune poll and The New York Times report the Wall Street is sounding the alarm as Elizabeth Warren's candidacy has gained steam and here's what's on tap for trump's Monday the president meet with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo at eleven forty five IBM in the Oval Office he will host a twenty two thousand nine world series champions The Washington nationals at one thirty on the South Lawn trump will leave the White House at four ten and route to Lexington Kentucky he will speak a campaign rally at rupp arena seven. PM afterward he will return to Washington subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook playbook private equity is driving force for economic growth and opportunity for American workers and now a new report released by e y highlights private equities positive impact in growing local economies and building stronger communities across the nation private equity directly employs nearly nine million workers in all fifty states from jobs in manufacturing and agriculture to tack in transportation learn more about how private equity is investing in America. By visiting this is private equity DOT COM.
Three Mulvaney aides plan to stonewall the impeachment inquiry this week
"Good Morning I'm James From The Washington Post and this is the daily to for Monday November four in today's news McDonald's fires it's CEO over a consensual relationship with a subordinate Bernie Sanders takes a shot at Elizabeth Warren's plan to pay hey for Medicare for all and the Kentucky Governor's race is a test of whether all elections have become national on this trip but first first the big idea acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney allies in the administration plan to stonewall and obstruct the impeachment inquiry as much as possible this week in a bid to ingratiate themselves with President Trump Russ vote a mulvaney protege who leads the White House Office of management in and budget intense a concerted defiance of congressional subpoenas and two of his subordinates will follow suit the O. M. B. is at the nexus of the impeachment inquiry because Democrats are pressing for details about why the White House budget office effectively froze funds for Ukraine that Congress had already appropriated vote who serves in an acting capacity in the job Mulvaney previously held has sought to build a relationship with the president for some time to White House officials say that he sees standing firm against the impeachment inquiry as a way to bolster his standing internally trump has grown enraged that many of his employees as he refers to them are going to Capitol Hill and testifying a person who regularly talks with the President tells us that trump has been asking for copies of witness misstatements so that he can decide how to criticize people and he's been complaining that government lawyers aren't doing enough to block executive branch employees from cooperating with valid subpoenas trump even courage members of Congress to question the credibility of political appointees in his own administration as White House Press Secretary Stephanie Stephanie Gershom said on Fox News this weekend quote he is the War Room Congressional Republicans are also predicting that Mulvaney is deputy Robert Blair will refuse to show up for his scheduled deposition later today before impeachment investigators though a White House spokesman Blurs Attorney didn't respond to questions about his plans Blair was on the July twenty fifth phone call. When trump asked Ukraine's president for a quote favor of investing Joe and Hunter Biden Michael Duffy one of votes subordinates who has been called testify on Tuesday and also plans to ignore the summons signed the document that froze the Ukraine even though professional staff warned him that doing so could be illegal according to administration officials Duffy is the former executive director of the Wisconsin Republican Party adding to to the intrigue trump suggested on Sunday afternoon that he is thinking about shutting down the federal government again later this month he told reporters as he arrived back at the White White House after a day in New York that he wouldn't rule out directing another shutdown when funding runs out on November twenty first if negotiations with Democrats don't give the results he once last year we had a shutdown during Christmas this year we could ever shut down during Thanksgiving and that's the big idea never a dull moment here are three other headlines that should be on your radar number one McDonald's announced last night that it fired its chief executive Steve Easterbrook after the fast food giant's board of directors I found that he quote demonstrated poor judgment in a consensual relationship with one of his employees the board voted to oust the CEO following a review concluding that he violated the company's policy against manager relationships with direct or indirect reports easterbrook called his recent relationship with an employee eight mistake aac in an email to all McDonald's employees that went out last night he said what he did was at odds with the value of the company so it makes sense that he got fired McDonald's hasn't shared further details about the relationship easterbrook a former head of the company's UK operations is divorced companies have been implementing stricter the rules about dating subordinates in the METOO era last year for example Intel's CEO was forced out for breaking his company's rules by having a consensual relationship with a staffer? McDonald's says the details easterbrook severance package will be disclosed in an SEC filing by the close of business tomorrow last year he made fifteen point nine million dollars number two Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren rivals for the affections of the left are increasingly making careful but unmistakable efforts to distinguish extinguish themselves from each other sanders campaign is seeking to find a balance voicing differences with Warren while refraining from overly sharp attacks unlike sanders disagreements with Joe Biden which is AIDS are eager to amplify their trading much more careful around ward that's why Bernie's interview with ABC News on Sunday with striking he criticized criticized Warren's new plan for funding Medicare for all she released it on Friday to separate herself from him by avoiding the middle class tax hikes that he admits his plan would require Choir Sanders told ABC that his approach of raising the payroll tax is actually far more progressive than Warren's method of jacking up the wealth tax the also took issue specifically with Warren's proposal that businesses would be required to redirect their current healthcare payments to the Medicare program Sanders says this would hurt job growth asked about sanders is criticism during a Gaggle Warren sought to reaffirm their shared outlook. She said they both want the same thing but she disputed sanders is contention that her plan would hurt employers lawyer's saying they'll pay slightly less than they do now and would save on human resources costs associated with wrangling with insurance companies that might be wishful thinking after claiming I mean on Saturday that only billionaires would pay more in taxes under her plan Warren acknowledged on Sunday this is not the case meanwhile Pete Buddha judge is backtracking from his declaration over the weekend that the race is now between him and Warren but the mayor of south men continues to train much of his fire on the senator from Massachusetts he said during a bus tour yesterday that her Medicare for all plan is a bad idea that could cost Democrats the twenty twenty election last night sanders campaigned in in Minnesota before a crowd of more than ten thousand with one of his prized endorsers congresswoman Ilhan Omar and the Vermont senator plans to travel back to Iowa next weekend with another member of the so-called Squad Alexandria Cossio Cortes Warren trying to show that she can get star power to was introduced in Davenport Iowa last night by another liberal a member of the freshman class Katie Porter who knocked off a Republican incumbent in a swing district in Orange County California last year porter was one of Warren's favorite students at Harvard our law school number three as India Bashir campaign through Eastern Kentucky over the weekend the Democratic candidate for governor was well aware that he didn't have much time to deliver his message before trump arrives for a rally in the state tonight and attempts to suffocate it in speech after speech in rural counties he's Bashir delivered his closing message to voters in less than five minutes. He promised to expand healthcare support teachers in public education and stop the hard
CRUSADE Channel Newscast December 17th, 2019, Tuesday
"Crusade Channel News News you can trust because the truth can be trusted from Crusade Channel News. Desk here's Stacy Cohen. Good Morning Crusaders. Tuesday December seventeenth two thousand nineteen eighteen. I'm Stacey cohan reporting from the Crusade Channel News Desk at the Cohen Ranch in Winkelmann Arizona. This report is brought to you by McClure tables using Michigan hardwoods. It's in Michigan to make the best made in the USA shuffleboard on the market shovel on over to McClure tables dot com. That's M. C. C. L. U. R. E. Tables Bulls Dot Com. Here's what listen for this hour. Everybody wants to have witnesses. But Neither the Democrats or the Republicans can agree on who the witnesses should be. Recreational Marijuana may become into New Jersey. And now you can get coke for ten bucks a month. coca-cola Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer Said said during a news conference Monday that any Senate impeachment trial should be focused on the facts that the house presented not on conspiracy. Theories Schumer said this just hours after after publicly releasing a letter that he sent his Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and he outlined how he would like a Senate impeachment trial to proceed in the letter he specifically asked ask that four witnesses be called during the trial guests who they are Mick Mulvaney. The Acting White House Chief of Staff Robert Blair a senior Mulvaney adviser John Bolton the former national security adviser and Michael Duffy of the Office of Management and Budget Republicans in the Senate however have signalled their interest in calling in different witnesses in a trump trial. 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January 21, 2020: Senate resumes impeachment trial of President Trump
"Five things is brought to you by the real real. The leading reseller of authenticated luxury consignment by in store on the APP or at the real real dot Com and received twenty percent off select items with Promo code real stay tuned after the episode to learn more. Take Good Morning Time. Clare Thornton filling in for host Taylor Wilson. It's Tuesday January twenty first yesterday on twitter. We asked if you knew when Mlk Day became a national holiday. Only thirty eight percent of you responded correctly with the year nineteen eighty-six. We'll be seeing how much you know about top stories with a new question on twitter after today's podcast follow us there at USA The USA. Today podcast join in now onto the show. The state of emergency around Virginia State capital expires. Today no major incidents were reported at yesterday's gun rights rally in Richmond. The hour-long demonstration Asian concluded a little afternoon with only one arrest police estimated. The size of the crowd was twenty two thousand people with six thousand thousand people on Capitol Square a grassroots gun rights group called the Virginia Citizens Defense League led the rally. They strongly oppose gun. Control legislation passed by Virginia's Democratic Lead state legislature those laws include a limit to one handgun purchase per month a universal background background check requirement on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns and some public areas a proposal for a red flag law which allows authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed dangerous to themselves or others being considered while the laws could be challenged used in Virginia courts. Similar proposals in other states have not been struck down as violating the second amendment. ooh The Senate impeachment trial of President Trump resumes today. USA Today Politics Reporter Savannah Bourbon. Men tells us what to expect. Here's Savannah the Senate convenes at one PM today where they will debate and vote on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's organizing I think resolution for President Donald Trump impeachment trial in the senate. The trial resumes senators debating on how the rules for how the trial will be conducted but and potentially the star of opening arguments from house managers and White House lawyers the democratic impeachment managers and the President's lawyers would be given twenty hours each to present their cases under these just rules each side's presentations take place over two working days in the Senate meaning. That presentations could go late into the night following the presentation. Senators are allowed to question in both sides for a period of sixteen hours the House of Representatives Impeach President Trump on December eighteenth on two charges abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The president's legal team said in a brief filed Monday but the two articles of impeachment quote do not identify any impeachable offense votes on calling witnesses or or documents will not be allowed until after the question phase of the trial. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has said quote. It's clear senator. McConnell is hell bent on making it much more difficult to get witnesses and documents and is intent on rushing the trial through it. Simple majority of fifty one senators is required to pass a motion to call witnesses or documents admits there are currently forty seven Democratic senators which means four Republicans would have to join all democrats in voting for witnesses. Democrats have expressed wanting to hear from former national security adviser. John Bolton Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Senior Adviser Mulvaney Robert Blair an office of Management and budget associate director Michael Duffy. There's no mention of motion to dismiss the impeachment articles into organizing resolution something that the president and his allies on Capitol Hill. I'll have pushed for. But trump's impeachment trial will likely start with a fierce debate between Democrats and Republicans. Today is the deadline for or states to opt into Federal Refugee Resettlement programs for twenty twenty so far at least forty two states have opted into the program earlier earlier this month. Texas became the first state to bar refugees by opting out of the program. Texas governor Greg. Abbott said. His state has big big resource strains from dealing with a quote broken federal Immigration System Unquote the state's largest cities refugee advocates and Evangelical Christians. Christians all pressured Abbott to remain in the program. Texas has historically resettled more refugees than any other state but they seen a sharp decline in the number of refugees. Refugees resettled since two thousand sixteen in two thousand sixteen. Roughly seven thousand eight hundred refugees resettled in the state according to Church World Service. US that number dropped by roughly three thousand people. The following year in Twenty Nineteen Texas settled two thousand four hundred fifty eight refugees. The head of a Chinese government expert team has said that human to human transmission has been confirmed an outbreak of a new corona virus. The development raises the possibility that it could spread more quickly and widely respiratory expert song. Nonchalance said to people in Guangdong Giang province in southern China caught the virus from family members. Some medical workers have also tested positive for the virus in Geneva the World Health Organization announced it would mean an emergency committee meeting on Wednesday to determine whether the outbreak wards being declared a global health crisis. Such declarations are typically made for epidemics of severe diseases that threaten to cross borders and require internationally coordinated response previous global emergencies have been declared for crises including the ongoing Ebola outbreak in Congo. The emergence of Zeke Virus in the Americas and twenty sixteen and and the West Africa Ebola outbreak twenty fourteen and last up super bowl. Fifty four will be between the Kansas City chiefs chiefs and the San Francisco Forty niners. The chiefs are back in the Super Bowl for the first time since they won super bowl. Four following the nineteen sixty nine season. Listen the final time the NFL and AFL champions squared off before the leagues merged in one thousand nine hundred seventy separate Cisco joins the nineteen eighty-eight bengals angles and one thousand nine hundred ninety nine rams as the only teams to reach the super bowl a year after winning four or fewer games the niners are now one win from securing their sixth Lombardi trophy which would tie them with the steelers patriots for most ever. You can catch new episodes of five if things Monday. Through Saturday on Apple podcasts spotify and wherever else you get your pods including the Google home. An Amazon Echo and I'd love you ought all to subscribe and leave us a rating and review. Consignment is one of the simplest ways to reuse resources and contribute to a circular economy. And the real real is the leading leading reseller for authenticated luxury. Consignment sell your men's and women's luxury fashion fine jewelry watches art and even homegoods. 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Tuesday, December 17, 2019
"From Washington DC. This is Westwood. One daily Daily News for December Seventeenth Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout. The house this week gets ready for a history making vote on impeachment and then the focus turns to the the Senate correspondent Linda. Kenyon has the story Senate Democrats believe strongly that the trial must be fair and it's very important that the American people the judge to be fair Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer at a news conference on Capitol Hill Monday saying that's why he wants to sit down and discuss the plan for the impeachment trial in the Senate Annette which is all but certain wants the house votes this week on impeachment leader. McConnell has finally said that he wants to sit down and talk and I am. I am very eager and willing to do that as I said. We WanNA come up with a fair trial with the facts. Come out that's why. He says he wants to call four witnesses acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Mulvaney senior adviser Robert Blair Office of Management and budget official Michael Duffy and former national security adviser. John Bolton we don't know what kind of evidence they will present was that they might present exculpatory evidence that helps president trump it may be incriminating against the president but they should be heard. Many Republicans are saying the time to call fact. Witnesses was during the impeachment hearings in the House. It is not they say the job of the Senate to go after additional witnesses who have not testified prior to the Senate trial nonsense says Senator Schumer have witnesses. That's what trials are all about. Humor also says Republicans argued more about process process than the actual charges against the president which are abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Republican Representative Mike Johnson begs to differ them presented any direct evidence evidence to show that the president was involved in any crime and Johnson says the impeachment charges against trump are nothing like the charges against previous presidents who faced impeachment and each one of those. There were specific criminal acts that there was a mountains of evidence to prove had been committed. We don't have that here. Some Republicans say if Democrats want to call witnesses. They might call call some of their own like the whistle blower for example but on CBS. Face the nation this weekend Republican Senator Lindsey Graham loyal trump allies said personally. He's not interested. I am clearly made up my mind. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdain for the accusations in the process so I don't need any witnesses. The president can make a request to call witnesses they can make a request call. Mike Pants POMPEII. Oh and Joe Biden Hunter Biden. I am ready to vote on the underlying articles. I don't really need to hear a lot of witnesses. After the house. Votes on impeachment on Wednesday the scene will shift to the Senate which is planning to begin the impeachment trial in early January. Sorry Linda Kenyon Washington former New York. Mayor Rudy Giuliani has been making the rounds again in Ukraine and Bob Costantini reports. The president seems to still view Giuliani as his personal lawyer. President trump would only say rudy. Giuliani didn't tell him much about the personal attorneys. Recent trip to Ukraine Giuliani. Liane is a firm believer in the theory that Ukraine actually hacked democratic campaigns in two thousand sixteen in order to help Hillary Clinton and he's been lobbying Ukrainian officials to launch investigations into Hunter Biden. It's assumed the former New York City mayor met with the president on Friday at the White House though press aides would not confirm it. He's a great person in who loves our country and he does this out of love but he does it out of love. He sees what goes on and he sees what's happening. He sees all of the hoax. That happens when they talk about impeachment impeachment hawks who are the Russian collusion delusion even some Republicans on Capitol Hill questioned. Why Giuliani would go to Ukraine in the middle of the impeachment? Controversy centered on what. The president meant went asking Ukraine's leader for a favor in the phone. Call Mr Trump told Vladimir's alinsky rudy. Very much knows what's happening and he would have Giuliani phone him. That was in July after Giuliani's first visit to associates. who were helping the lawyer gain entree to Ukrainian officials have been indicted for campaign finance fraud? He was quoted in New Yorker magazine article and saying former. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich needed to be pushed quote out of the way because because she was an impediment to the investigations. Giuliani was trying to get started regarding. Democrats Bob Costantini. Washington considered a victory for people who choose to live on the streets. Jim Roope reports the. US Supreme Court ops not to review an appellate court ruling reverberating across several Western states dates. It all began about a decade ago when a lawsuit was filed against Boise. Idaho's ordinance that allowed police to ticket people sleeping on the streets even if there were beds available at shelters shelters people don't want to be in the shelters and that's a really simple version of the argument against the Ordinance Attorneys for six homeless people who filed the lawsuit back in two thousand nine charged the ordinance cruel and unusual punishment because for example. The behavior of some people with mental illness who are homeless are not welcomed in the shelters because at the very least they are disruptive at the very most could cause harm to someone else or themselves Lawrence Banks Drum. A homeless man in Boise tells the cities K. O. B. I.. TV that the shelters are not a good fit for others. They're noisy people are constantly snoring. Coughing somebody gets sick. They start passing it around. Another argument made in the lawsuit is that some shelters have religious requirements in that shelters require guests to attend services that might be contrary to their individual beliefs. This is an argument. Bill Roscoe with the Boise rescue mission flatly denies at least and they're not our policy. We won't do that so I'm frustrated that in that decision once again. It's claimed that our shelters require people to attend religious services in order to be served. It's just not true and it's very frustrating that after all this time that's still being said after through the night circuit's ruling that agreed with plaintiffs at the practice of ticketing. The homeless as cruel and unusual it was appealed to the US Supreme Court which decided Monday it will not review leaving the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling intact which affects all states within the Ninth Circuit Jurisdiction. Nine Western states and to Pacific island jurisdictions. Jim Roope Los Angeles in sports drew brees became the NFL's all time leader in touchdown passes throwing for four scores to lead the New Orleans. Saints to thirty four four seven victory over the Indianapolis colts straight from the Saints Mouth Monday night. Football playing the colts. Right the team that you know we. We won the Super Bowl against ten years ago. So the the whole all super bowl forty four team is back for the anniversary and and obviously national television. You know big game and now you know that record in the balance as well. There's Mr Breeze the scoring broke peyton. Manning's record of five hundred thirty nine career touchdown passes Westwood One Daily News Tuesday December Seventeenth Twenty nineteen. I'm I'm John Trout.
Giuliani Says He's More Jewish Than Holocaust Survivor; GOP Leader Spreads Conspiracy Theory; Still Running Against The Wind; Pro-Trump, Pro-Bono
"The Iowa caucuses are mere weeks away at this stage of the race in two thousand and four John Kerry was pulling at four percent four years ago. Jeb Bush was the Republican confront runner. If you're invested in the outcome of the twenty twenty election the only podcast you need. Is the election ride home. You don't have to nervously refresh your browser twelve times a day anymore. The election ride home. has you covered with the latest every day from the campaign trail. Search your podcast APP and subscribe to the election ride home podcast. tis The night before the night before and there is still plenty. Stirring the president's personal lawyer for one Rudy Giuliani's latest revelations have people talking talking especially his comments about a prominent Jewish American. A Holocaust survivor. There's also the House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and what he is saying debunked allegations dacians about the FBI spying on the president's campaign. We're keeping them honest on that tonight. Speaking of the president he is talking to and his words are really hitting the fan. I never understood when windmills. Very much. I've studied it better than anybody. It's very expensive. And you know what they don't tell you about windmills. After ten years they look like you know they start to get tired old. You gotta replace Yes. Windmills are also a thing tonight. And there's there's more I'm Erica Hill in for Anderson. Thanks for joining us. We begin with newly released. E mails and the fight over whether to have witnesses at the impeachment. Trial that you coming together tonight with the words of a White House budget official named Michael Duffy. Someone Senate Democrats want to hear from if there was ever ever argument that we need Mr Duffy to come testify. This is that information this email is explosive. Suit this email. The one in question was actually obtained by court order in it. Mr Duffy from the White House budget office ordered the Pentagon to freeze military military aid to Kiev. Now the timing of the email also a major focus. It was in ninety minutes after the president's controversial July twenty fifth phone call with Ukraine's Ukraine's president the call. Of course that is at the heart of the entire impeachment question. Duffy writes quote based on guidance. I have received and in light of the administration's nations plan to review assistance to Ukraine. Please hold off on any additional dod obligations of these funds now the line raises a number of questions including who who ordered the aid held up but it is not the only line that stands out quoting again here given the sensitive nature of the request. I appreciate keep your keeping that information information closely held. Why would it need to be closely held? Mr Duffy is one of four witnesses Senate Democrats again. Want to hear from C. N. N.'s. Jim Acosta Pasta joins us now with more on the larger impeachment San upsurge in the president. Of course it mar-a-lago still weighing in on impeachment. What does he say? Yeah he's been posting tweets aimed at the House speaker. Nancy Pelosi saying she's delaying things. Because she doesn't think she has a very good case. Pelosi will say no. That's because we want a fair process. The Senate the president has also been re tweeting Lindsey Graham one of his top allies over in the Senate who has been tweeting this evening. That if Democrats don't send over those articles of impeachment perhaps perhaps they should take matters into their own hands. It's not exactly clear what Lindsey Graham is talking about but I can tell you all of these delays. They are giving heartburn to the president's legal team and his political the team inside the White House. They know the longer. This process drags out the more surprises. You could have liked those emails. You were just talking about and terms of those emails. What is the White House? Response Response to those emails beyond concerns of heartburn. Of course. You're right Erica. What they're saying at this point is there was an NBA official over the weekend? WHO put out a statement saying that? It is not fair to tie these emails to the president's phone call because they had an interagency phone call one week before the president had that phone call with the leader of Ukraine. Basically explaining that a hold was going to be put on this Ukraine military money but there's no mistaking just how amazing the coincidence incidents would be that ninety minutes after the president. Has this phone call with leader of Ukraine that Michael Duffy. A top official at O. M. B. Sending a directive to the Department of Defense saying we are freezing this money. Now I mean you just have to suspend some disbelief to think that the two aren't connected at this point but mark short of Vice President's chief of staff were saying over the weekend can listen. The money was released to the Ukrainian so ultimately they got the that seems to be there goto defense they keep going back to. It is one way for it over and over again but as you point out the timing. Certainly it's interesting in terms of that. E Mail Robert Blair meantime. What are the four witnesses? Democrats want to call the testifies actually getting a new position. I'm working tell us about that. This was just just announced Earlier this evening during holiday week so that's always interesting when you see that sort of timing but the White House is saying that Robert Blair who is a senior advisor to the acting. Chief of static Bobigny is going to be taking on a new role at the administration overseeing telecommunications strategy and and looking at this turn to five G. Technology Gee I I will tell you it is interesting because you know if you contrast what is happening with Robert Blair with some other administration officials who did testify. He has certainly getting hitting the Gold Star treatment during this holiday season. And what is most interesting about Robert Blair. Of course Erica is that he is one of the four witnesses that the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer would like to testify during a Senate trial at. This point does raise the question. Is the administration you know perhaps handing over a little goody to Robert Blair to entice him to remain quiet and not testify during the Senate trial. Obviously the White House has been should say no to that But when you look at these things things and how they've played out obviously the administration officials who go up to Capitol Hill They don't receive the same treatment that Robert Blair's receiving this week right right before Christmas. Erica interesting to Jim. Acosta appreciate it as always. Thank you joining us now. CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash C. N. N. legal analyst Elliot Williams and senior senior senior political analyst. David Bergen as we David Gergen. Sorry David as we look at all of this Dana. Do you have any sense that this impeachment standoff. I mean. I don't think anybody's holding their breath. Anything's going to happen over. The next two weeks of this holiday break but that being said is there a sense that it that it will actually work itself out sometime soon in even in the early days of January. Yes there is a sense that it will work itself out how it will work. It's about that's to be determined And the reason is in is because It's in the Democrats interest to try to find a way to start this trial for many many reasons. Because if you listen to Mitch McConnell his argument is why are they holding it because if they think that by holding it it's going to make me negotiate and give give give something away that I don't WanNa give or maybe agree to witnesses that I don't want to agree to. That's not going to happen because no skin off my back. If we don't start a Senate trial will move onto other. Things confirmed more more trump judicial nominees for example having said that that is his his argument. And there's a lot to be said for that. There are also Republicans who are running for reelection. And if they don't win he will not be Senate majority leader anymore and they need to answer to their constituents about whether and why there is a fair trial so there are pressure points on both sides here to get something accomplished when it comes to this process for Democrats Fair trial obviously equates to more witnesses inadequates Ju- evidence David. You've heard Republicans say before that in fact the trial here is not a fact-finding operation that they are going to render judgment on the case that was passed onto them from the house. What do you make of that? I think we got into such a mess. Now it's hard to get all this untangled visit I I do agree with Dana. That we're we're ultimately going to get I think settlement That they'll I don't think it's in the interests of either side. Let this play out too along and for the Democrats in particular it starts to look cute After a while but I do think with these with these. These documents to things become apparent. Eh One is. Here's a here's a single memo that has been held back and came through a different channel came public. And you know it's a story it's just. It's a piece of the puzzle we you didn't have. And what the document story is all about now is what's missing from the case. The things that the Democrats couldn't get because of the stonewall the the documents they couldn't get the do the witnesses they couldn't get And I think a strength is their case that this is not entirely on the up and up interpreted Republicans are the way. They're playing hardball. And I think that's pretty important to it and the second thing is that the facts are important. They have a trial which doesn't turn facts is bizarre. There are a number of people would agree as you know most of them. Democrats as we look at this. Elliot you were Council of course To Senate Judiciary Committee under Senator Schumer now. We saw the letter from him. Today also came out later today and said that he he could and would push for a vote. How much leverage does he actually have right now? The minority actually has a tremendous amount of leverage In the Senate and so he certainly does have some and this gets back to Dana's point what this all comes down to is. How much pain can Senator Schumer and the Democrats cause for those four or five or six Senate Republicans who are in tough races because to some extent and frankly this gets gets into Mitch McConnell's interest just as well? His goal is to protect the Senate. It's not to protect the president. United States he keeps his job regardless of whether Donald Trump is president. And so what Senator Schumer you can do is force difficult votes and put the Cory Gardner of the world And the Susan Collins is the world. These are senators who are up for reelection. And bluish sure Purple States and force them to have to take votes on for instance. This Michael Duffy question this individual. Who wrote this email? That is actually quite damning if you just read Read what what's out in the public record. Make them go on the record and have to say that they don't want this individual to testify and Senator Schumer can actually push for that when you spoke with Senate Minority Whip Dick Dick Durbin State of the Union yesterday. He made it clear he didn't think anybody should be saying how they would vote at this point. Well that ship in many cases as we no has failed and at this point aside from a small handful of senators there is a pretty good sense of where everyone stands there is. And that's why would eliot was talking about is so key Yeah what would senator Durbin. Who by the way was there? Twenty one years ago and a voting senator and back. Then that's when I started covering the hill There were many many more senators. The majority vast majority of the senators said we're impartial. Jurors were not going there. It has changed dramatically. Which is the point that he was trying to make but when it comes to the trial once they're in the assuming Senator Schumer doesn't get what he wants which is agreement to have these witnesses before they start? It's hard to imagine that happening but let's let's just assume that that is the case you're going to see really really important votes If the Democrats are able to put up a vote for bringing Michael Duffy to T to testify that is a fifty one vote threshold so it's hard to see Republicans who are on the bubble were in tough races. Saying we don't want to hear from somebody who could shed more light on what's happening it is possible but it'll be a very very tough vote for them as opposed to the final vote which is whether or not to throw the president out of office or or a quit him? That's an easier Argument for them to make back home. which is what he did was right? But I don't have enough facts. There's nothing I can do. And it's up to the voters to decide in November. Yeah David go ahead. Did you want your a couple of things I think a lot's going to depend on. What the the the various senators the senators here back home? This next two weeks is going to be pivotal in that regard and there is you know coming out of the impeachment process. Sessa was a widespread view especially in the press That the winds were blowing against the Democrats that they had lost some momentum there are new polls out in the last twenty four hours hours that show that wind is maybe shifting slightly in there direction their their their presence. Poll numbers are down. That people want to see the president. IMP not only impeachment remove is up slightly that's important As as we go forward here too because the dynamics are going to be so important but I wanna make like one other quick point and that is what if the Democrats are able to get those handful of senators Republican side to vote to bring witnesses like Duffy there is going to be enormous pressure from Republicans then to bring some additional witnesses. They want like the whistleblower and that's going to turn it into a circus. If have you noticed one thing that you're hearing talking point you hearing Democrats uses all we need is four votes for a fair trial. You've heard that I heard Brian Shots from Hawaii making that point the other day and they're going to keep hitting that point. They regarded that if they can get because ultimately four votes gets them to fifty one and that's the majority of the Senate or the simple majority of the Senate that would allow them to start calling some of these but David is absolutely right. You start getting into questions of vendor Republicans start asking for Hunter Biden to come testify and then do we just end up with the same kind of circus that the House of Representatives. So commonly is we will be watching and waiting to see Ellie Williams David Gergen. Thank you Dan stick around. There is some the Giuliani News of course to talk about that coming up later in the hour namely a remarkable interview he gave recently up next one of the impeachment Jurors Senator Chris Van Holland. On what kind of trial. He wants to see and just how far he thinks his fellow Democrats should go to get it. Also tonight. Is the president blowing smoke about wind power and and does he really know more about the subject. Then anyone listen and decide for yourself tonight on three sixty fifty unread. Emails a stressful commute. Let's face it. We all get overwhelmed. Sometimes do you ever have a great idea or big goal and let it fall by the wayside. You're you're not alone. 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CNN that's talks base dot COM PROMO CODE CNN. We're talking tonight about the fight over impeachment witnesses and what a trial in the Senate will look like senators you know. We'll swear an oath to be impartial. Jurors as you likely we also know Republican majority leader. Mitch McConnell has already said and these are his own words of quote. I'm not partial about this at all. Well he was asked about it this morning on Fox News. Do you chuck Schumer's impartial. Do you think warrener's impartial Bernie. Sanders is impartial. So let's quit the charade this. This is a political exercised for Mitch. McConnell it's a political exercise other Senate Republicans also said as much Lindsey Graham most notably. Shortly before airtime I spoke with another Senator Maryland. Democrat Chris Van Holland senator. Van Halen I want to ask you first about what we just heard from. Senator McConnell are your fellow Democratic senators are you fully impartial heading into a Senate trial. Erica yes I am because I'm willing to listen to all the evidence Before rendering a final verdict in this case do I. I think that the House has made an overwhelming case For impeachment as of this point in time Yes I do but I also heard the president say that he wants to have the big trial and he wants to have witnesses Talking about how. He's not guilty of the offense is he's been charged with and I'm absolutely willing to listen at the same time. That's why it's so important that we have witnesses. That apparently the president of the President's team and Mitch McConnell don't WanNa call Everybody should be able to make make their case In a true trial. That's fair in the Senate will in terms of having those witnesses as Senate leader McConnell also said this morning quote we haven't ruled out witnesses. We've he said let's handle this case just like we did with President Clinton Fair is fair. What are your thoughts on that? Are you okay with handling this. And the exact same manner that it with handled for President Clinton. Well every child is different. you know that I think the American public knows that and I think it's very reasonable all to seek some assurances right up front That there will be witnesses. There were witnesses In the Clinton trial there were three deposition witnesses There were lots Witnesses in the previous trial for President Andrew Johnson. And so there's no reason why Senator Mitch McConnell can't just tell us up front That he's going to agree to call these very important fact witnesses from the White House who have direct knowledge of the impeachment charges that are being made against the president as you. We know some of the witnesses that the president himself has referred to include former Vice President Biden. Hunter Biden if Mitch McConnell does acquiesce and say yes. Yes we're going to have witnesses. If there is a push for the Biden's are they fair game so as you know. The the Biden issue is a total red herring. It's been well documented That there is no truth to the allegations and I haven't heard any Republican senators senators Talk about calling a hunter Biden or Vice President Biden. Look if senator McConnell wants to put that in the mix that's obviously a his choice But he he hasn't done that and we have said that we want witnesses. We've named four fact witnesses That are not you know some. You know wild goose chase That is already been disproven We're talking about Witnesses in the White House including Michael Duffy and we just learned over the last few days that Michael Duffy within ninety minutes of President Trump's phone call with presence Alinsky Sent that email to the Pentagon withholding the critical US military assistance To Ukraine and at the same time asking them to keep it quiet hush hush so clearly they understood that this was inappropriate and Michael Duffy views. Exactly the kind of witness that we need to hear from in the United States Senate along with the documents. Along by the way with the the original transcript of the phone call rather other than The memo for and as opposed to as you put the rough transfer at the White House released in terms of those emails near the release because of this Foia lawsuit those those were specifically referenced by Senator Schumer Today in his letter to his fellow Senate colleagues where he called for evidence to be admitted he also then later today Jason that he could and would push for a vote. Do you know of any of your Republican colleagues who would get behind that vote and potentially joined Democrats rats in that vote for certain witnesses and evidence. Well I think it's going to be awfully hard for the new explain to their constituents why they're voting against calling fact witnesses and trying to get documents right. If you're going to have a fair trial. Every American understands that means that everybody gets to put on their case that means you get to call witnesses so in voting against witnesses. If they choose I vote against witnesses. It's pretty clear that they're afraid of the truth. And that's been the question all along if the White House and president trump have nothing to hide. Why why are they so scared about presenting those documents and those witnesses Senator Chris Van Holland appreciate you joining us? Thank you good to be with you. Thank you you a lot more ahead on this Christmas Eve eve including the housing. It's still needs to hear. From former White House counsel Don mcgann while raising the possibility of additional articles. Close of impeachment. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. This is David. David Payne the writer and producer of somebody somewhere a true crime investigative podcast every now and again a story comes along. That makes you question your fundamental assumptions about human survival. Somebody somewhere season to take you deep inside a murder mystery where three the homeless teenage brothers have been charged with double homicide in a story that has much of a search for justice as it is for hope binge inch somebody somewhere season to the jungle murders wherever you get your podcast. The House of Representatives believes it still still needs to hear from the White House. Counsel former White House Counsel Don mcgann saying his information could be relevant to possibly additional articles of impeachment in a court filing today. Health Lawyers said the impeachment investigations didn't end with last week's votes the latest. Turn in a drawn out legal battle over mcgann's possible testimony. CNN senior justice. Justice correspondent Evan. Perez joins US now. Evan Lawyers for the Judiciary Committee are saying a second impeachment could be necessary. Could you imagine the tweets from the president given his reaction already from the the the current impeachment debate If he were to be the first president to be impeached a second time. That's certainly what the the Democrats are are raising here in this court. Filing nobody really thinks that the Democrats are going to pursue this but what they are saying is simply that just because they barely mentioned the Muller Investigation and the information from Don mcgann in the current articles of impeachment that are that are pending before the Senate or will be pending before the Senate. It doesn't mean that this is all over. They say they're gonNA keep investigating this and what's at stake here. Erica is simply this. The White House says that the president has the right to give absolute immunity to his close aides including people like Don mcgann the house and by the way a judge has already said. That's not so that the president is not a king and and that he has an his aides have to respond and perhaps himself he would have to respond to a house subpoena. So we'll see where the courts will land on this In in the coming weeks but again this is a fight as you said has been going on for about eight months even give us a better sense in terms of the timing here for a final decision about whether Don mcgann is actually going to testify. What we well? Well yes so. We expect that there's going to be some arguments and then in the coming weeks in January but again we don't know when the Appeals Court will finally. We'll make a final ruling. As you point out it's beyond Don mcgann right. We're talking about other people like John. Bolton who the President says he ah protected by absolute immunity. So I think there's a big big question here that that that the appeals court and perhaps even the Supreme Court will eventually get to hear about these important witnesses and whether they get to just say forget about Congress. We don't have to respond to their subpoenas so much writing on that as we wait and watch Evan. Perez appreciated thank you. Thank you Oregon Democrat. Earl Blumenauer says the house should take its time before transmitting the two articles of impeachment to the Senate saying at a minimum. There should be agreement on rules. Rules of the game and access to witnesses. He joins me now from Portland Congressman. Good to have you with US tonight. So give us a sense that the notion here the house. I was just talking about with Evan based on these filings could in fact recommend new articles of impeachment. How real of possibility is that? We are as we keep saying in uncharted waters with this president. His reckless behavior his denial of the norms. That everybody else has adhered to Challenges to the court We don't actually know what he's going to do next. But the fact is is that the House of Representatives continues to control. The two articles has not yet submitted them speaker. Plsy is trying to find out what the rules of the game are going to be. But this doesn't stop. What the House? Judiciary Committee and other committees Can do going forward George. There's nothing to stop supplementing the record I think there may well be court decisions that come down. We may see at some point. There are tax tax returns that are made public and over all one of the things. That's fascinating about the public opinion Even people who aren't yet convinced that Donald Trump should be removed through impeachment overwhelmingly support the notion that this should be a fair process in terms of that process before the actual impeachment vote. You tweeted quote rather than allow for a sham trial in the Senate we should keep gathering information mation and let the process ripen based on that statement based on what we just heard for you. Do you think. The House rushed at all to vote on these two articles of impeachment Richmond. Should they have waited and collected more evidence. No I think it was cleared on the on the two articles there was overwhelming. Evidence to support them and candidly if you watch what. The Republicans did in response. They didn't dispute the facts. They were just playing process. One of their arguments is that there's too much hearsay evidence but ironically it's the Republican Administration that refuses to make the witnesses available. Who could confirm this? They can't have it both ways. You say they can't have both ways as we're waiting to see what happens obviously in the the Senate You have made it clear. You've said you support Speaker Pelosi waiting to hand over those articles until she sees how things will play out in the Senate. How much leverage though Democrats have how long do you think this can go on? Part of it is in terms of. It's it's like every day that goes by there's no information what we just found out That the coordination with the White House the telephone call made and Within Ninety minutes of the president's Conversation with the Ukrainian president telling people to be quiet that it's not supposed to be made public This is I think suspicious At the at the at the least there is going to be more information that trickles out and frankly this president is just acting unhinged. Look at what he did. Last week in Michigan with a two hour rant insulting the memory of revered public cofficial John Dingell This is a person who doesn't take any pressure Well And I think the speaker plays it right She has her obligations to the house into the process She takes it seriously asleep and and frankly donald trump Actually doesn't match up very well against Nancy. Pelosi doesn't deal with strong women and there's no stronger woman in America the Nancy Pelosi and clearly He can't handle her We'll we'll watch as this continues to play. Do WanNa get one more. Take you brought up these emails. Which of course are released least over the weekend? They were referenced by Senator Schumer today and his push for evidence for witnesses. Is it your sense that those emails we'll have an impact on Republicans in the Senate. I don't know but I think there is a sense that they're picking up from people bullet home that they want this process to be fair And when we have new evidence come out raising questions. I think it argues for being able to get that on the table to take the time to do it right and to have a process that respects getting the facts out I think that this is something that Republicans would do well to heed because the majority of public as I said overwhelming majority of the public favors this process being fair. And when you have the chairman of the Judiciary Committee the leader of for Republicans in the Senate saying they've already made up their mind they don't care about the process they don't WanNa hear anymore That is troubling. I think for any independent minded American Congressman Blumenauer. Appreciate your time tonight. Thank you thank you up next. Why the House Minority Leader insists the FBI spied on President Trump's election campaign? 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And as we know that the top of the program Tonight House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is repeating the widely debunked claim the FBI spy then president trump's election campaign in two thousand sixteen. Here's what he said on Fox News. Yesterday we'll be pause for one moment. You read this. The report by Horowitz. Here's the FBI. They broke into president trump at the time candidate trumps campaign spied on him and then they covered it up. It is a modern day Watergate. They broke into his campaign by bringing people into it. They have been trying to cover it up for the whole time McCarthy given tweeted out that video clip which has generated more than thirty five thousand retweets. And here's what really matters. We have to point this out. What he says isn't true? If in fact act you did read that report you would know the Department of Justice. Inspector General said the exact opposite that there was no political bias involved in the FBI investigation of the trump campaign. Hey that the FBI did not try to recruit either confidential informants nor did it attempt to send any informants in trump campaign headquarters or trump campaign spaces. Let's get get some perspective. Now from two Republicans for Pennsylvania Congressman Charlie Dent and Scott Jennings a former aide to president. George Bush both are CNN political commentators. And good to have both of you with US tonight. Scott Scott as you hear those comments from Kevin McCarthy wouldn't you think is it possible that he actually believes the words that are coming out of his mouth or is he trying to get a message to the president that he is loyal. Well I I think a lot of Republicans. After reading the Horowitz report and after seeing the rebuke that the Pfizer court issued to the FBI. In the wake. Of the Horowitz report a lot of Republicans are concerned about the way the issues regarding the trump campaign investigation instigation were handled the investigation by any fair reading of these documents was riddled with errors. All of the things that happened that were uncovered by the HORWITZ report cut against the trump campaign. It wasn't like it was a system that was making air's going one way or the other. They're all cutting against the trump campaign and Chris wray the FBI director in the wake of all of this. This is say well. I've got forty fixes. I have to implement if something requires forty fixes. It's not working right so I think what McCarthy is talking about is is just the general belief by Republicans that there was a system in place here and even though there may have been good reasons to look into some things but there was a system in place that cut against the trump campaign and time again. That's the message. He's trying but that is totally different than saying the report itself found. I mean he says if you read the report you'll see that it says the FBI spied on the trump campaign. That's not what the report said. Yes it did say there were errors made and yes. There were definitely problems that needs to be addressed. But it didn't say those things Scott do you think he really believes it. Well look I think I think it's semantics. I mean they were clearly looking at the trump campaign. They were clearly looking at people affiliated needed with the campaign. Even if they weren't directly on the payroll so you can call it investigating. He's going to call it spying to me. It's all semantics. The fact is the was looking at people and they did it in a way. that the Horowitz report and now the FIFA court said was not appropriate and that's what Republicans are so angry about semantics are really coming up a lot these days congresswoman. When you look at all of this it is remarkable? Things are always going to be spun in a certain way based on where you fall in the political spectrum. That's been true since the dawn of time. It's a little bit different in in this day and age When you listen to what? We're hearing from Kevin McCarthy and you couple that with this reporting in the New York Times over the weekend about the deference that we're seeing among Republicans and specifically Republicans in Congress to the president. I just want to read part of that to get your take on it. They write in this piece if he does not enjoy the broad honoration Republicans afforded Ronald Reagan. He being the president. He's more feared by his party's lawmakers than any occupant of the Oval Office since at least Lyndon and in Johnson. When you hear comments like that from Kevin McCarthy from others what do you make of that? Well it's pretty clear to me that Many republicans particularly Republican leaders they've gone full in with Donald Trump They see it to their advantage to be closely Embracing him and now I think by Vice. o fully embracing trumpism They're creating problems though for their own members particularly in the suburbs trump is not playing well in the suburbs and Republicans have been getting wiped out in the suburbs. So I think the real debate that Republicans are going to need to have some day is what does this party GonNa look like after Donald Trump is trump is. I'm going to die. When Donald Trump leaves office This this whole notion of native ism isolationism and protectionism detection. ISM loyalty to a man I mean is the party going to get serious about halting this demographic death March that it's on right now. I mean we got to become a party. That's more inclusive Yousef that soap more socially tolerant that embraces free markets and that is more constructively engaged internationally and I think we have to get our heads right on this you know by fully embracing Donald Trump has so many have. I think they're ignoring an ignoring the real political problems that we faced in elections of two thousand seventeen eighteen and nineteen Scott. Do you see do you see any Republicans addressing those issues. Charles just brought up a look I I think that I think that the way. Republicans reviewing this presidential campaign rain. Is You have two parties ones run by DONALD TRUMP and ones run by largely the left wing of the House for Democratic Conference. And they're going to have a nominee soon. He's GonNa have have to adhere to a lot of their principles in these two people. These two parties are heading in vastly different directions. So if you're a republican out there what you're being asked to do by a lot of folks out in the political sphere these these days is to rebuke your party rebuke rebuke your president and just give over to a direction of vision. Ah Leftward Lurch that. You don't agree with in any way now. Does that. Let me you agree with everything. Donald Trump's doing or any republican is doing all the time. No of course no human being. That's a politician is going to satisfy any individual one hundred percent of the time time but when you look at the to broad visions the vision that trump and the Republicans are putting out in the vision that the Democrats are putting out right now through their presidential aspirant through their leaders in the house. Alston in the Senate there is no choice. That doesn't mean you are one hundred percent in love with everybody in the Republican leadership but it certainly means you like that direction that vision far more within the other side so I don't think you're going to see any Republicans peeling away from the president from their candidates because they know the alternative would take the country in a direction. They just can't support Scott Jennings Congressman Charlie. Dent appreciate it. Thank you up next the case of Donald J trump versus the windmill. Hi Everyone I'm poppy harlow were out with a new boss files episode. She ran for president was the first woman to run a fortune. Fifty Company and cancer survivor. Who says she is not afraid of anything anymore Carly Fiorina? She's out with a new book. Find your way unleash is your power and highest potential she was. CEO of Hewlett Packard during the dotcom boom and bust before being fired in what she calls a board room brawl she. Space Discrimination survived breast cancer and lived through the unimaginable loss of a child. She calls herself a problem solver and says that's why she ran for president after running against then candidate trump in two thousand sixteen. Does she think he should be impeached. Now I ask curve here at all. I'm subscribed today. President trump is continuing his war against wind. Power namely wind turbines although the President calls the windmills. And it's not a new thing either in fact you could Adams the list of comments about light. Bulbs dishwashers toilets. Here's what the president said over the weekend while talking to a conservative student group and economy based on wind. I never understood when I know windmills. Very much I've studied it better than anybody very expensive. But you know we have a world right so the world is tiny compared to the universe so tremendous tremendous amount of fumes in everything. You talk look about the carbon footprint fumes spilling into the air. They're noisy they kill the birds. You want to see your birth grade. You just go take a look a bird bird graveyard go under a window someday. So apparently that's where you find a bird graveyard now. Listen it's true that turbines do kill birds hundreds of thousands of then but while we're talking about facts because they're important more birds are killed by cats almost a million and a half a year or actually by other energy sources such as coal oil and power lines. Scientific studies have also found no health risks linked to wind turbines and said he's also show that wind power actually has the smallest carbon footprint compared to other energy sources. The president hatred for wind turbines seems to be tied to his battle over them near his golf course in Scotland and as for his claim that he studied the topic quote. Better than anybody. I know more about asses than the generals do believe me. I know more about courts at any human being on earth. Nobody knows more about trade than me. I know more about steelworkers than anybody. That's ever run on for office. Nobody knows more about construction than I do. I know more about drones than anybody. I know more about golf than he does. I know more about offense and defense is that they will ever understand. I I can show you more about caterpillar tractors than the people that work there. I know more about debt than practically anybody. I loved it. Just ask him. Let's chicken Chris. What he's working out for Cuomo prime time at the top of the hour? My friend I said see you. How are you the best for the holy days for you and the family and thank for everything you do more importantly the way you do it? I'm trying to get you a little bit of background on this other than just a personality. Mix about the president saying things things that he can't back up so luddite okay. We know that word Luddite is someone who's incompetent. When using new technology came into vogue in the eighteen eighteen hundreds the back story that may or may not be true? Perfect for the time. We're living right now. is a young man named Ned Ludd. Who might have broken inexpensive knitting machine in in England because he didn't like that machines were taken over? That is what the president tries to channel. It's almost like being about flat earth but as you said we're about facts and we have a new time line. The layout that makes us situation painfully clear with Ukraine. We are looking forward to that. Chris Thank you in a few minutes and all the rest of your family as well still to come on three sixty or rudy. Giuliani is saying and why so. Many people are now talking about President. Trump's TV attorney rudy. Giuliani taking a break from his global travels and his claims of but dialing to sit down with a reporter in person recently. LLC from New York magazine who wrote about it in a piece titled a conversation with Rudy. Giuliani over bloody Marys at the Mark Hotel well over those bloody Marys. They covered many different topics. Including as we'll discuss whether prominent liberal a Holocaust survivor is truly Jewish. They also spoke about the Senate impeachment trial she writes this if Giuliani quote visions of cross examining congressional Democrats. Witnesses made famous during the hearings. Something he hasn't done since the nineties satisfied his desire for revenge. I'm great it added is what I do. Best is a lawyer. That's what I would be good at. He said Oh I love it I could rip you know. I like a ridiculously boastful lawyer. Across examining them. I'm would be. I don't know I could have done it when I was a second year assistant. US Attorney they're a bunch of clowns back with us as CNN's chief political correspondent Dana Bash. Who has had her own unique? You need conversations with Rudy Giuliani over the last few months. I know you spoke with recently. The idea that Rudy Giuliani would come back and lay low. I don't think anybody was really expecting it. But do you have any sense that there is some sort of a plan. Dare I say strategy for the conversations that he's having in the people he's choosing to have them with no the only thing that I know or the only thing that he has said about that is that he has one. But there's no evidence events of that yet Lang low you're of course you're right. That's not his mo at all he wanted everybody to know that he went to Ukraine. He wanted everybody to I know that he he claims that he unearthed a lot of things that we don't know but when it comes to what is it. It's in a safe it's an evolved. I'm not I'm going to tell you yet. We're working on it. We'll just have to wait and see he made some of these comments Talking about a liberal billionaire George Soros saying quote. He's hardly a Jew. I'm more of did you than Soros. Is He then went on to say my attitude by about my legacy is F- it although we can all fill in the blank for the F. so as we're seeing the public Rudy Giuliani A.. And getting a sense of who he is in these conversations. It's certainly in sharp contrast to America's mayor and the man that many people saw of course I in the wake of nine eleven but has he really changed Danna or is it just. That more of the Rudy Giuliani. That perhaps people didn't see but it was always there is coming out. Maybe it's the latter. Look look a we have seen this Giuliani since the trump campaign remember after the access. Hollywood tape came out nobody. From the president's then candidates inner circle would go on television television except for Rudy. Giuliani and. I'm not George Soros thing What I found really interesting? Is that what he was trying to do. Is separate himself from from the notion that saying something bad about George Soros is anti-semitic. That's why he said. Oh I'm more than he is. which certainly didn't come across? I don't think the way he intended offended. Because if you look at George Soros and the attacks on him across the Internet across conservative media and right wing groups it is so reminiscent of the antisemitic attacks that have been going on for Millennia About you know world domination and things like that. So I think that's what he was trying to separate himself It'll be interesting to see. Apparently as long as he's got the backing of the president we know that he will keep that. He says he's got it for now. We'll wait and watch and your phone may be against soon. Dan Thank you. Thanks Eric you to The news continues so I will hand it over to Chris. Cuomo prime time have a great night. Chris Sawyer's are you interested in learning. How Enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download? The voices of search each podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley Research Metrics Inc.. 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"Welcome to the election ride home for Thursday October. Thirty first twenty. Nineteen I'm your host Chris Higgins with a summary of election news today. Twitter will drop off all political advertising. The trump impeachment stuff in three minutes or less the Harris campaign lays off staff to focus on Iowa. A new new poll helps one candidate closer to the November. DNC debate and we'll impeachment caused problems for the many senators currently running for president president. Here's what you missed today. From the campaign trail in a surprise move twitter announced that starting in late November it will no longer run any political ads in a long series of tweets twitter CEO. Jack Dorsey explained his thinking reading portion of his tweets quote. We've made the decision to stop all political advertising on twitter. Globally we believe political message reach should be earned not bought. Why a few reasons a political message earns reach when people decide to follow an account or re tweet paying for reach removes that decision forcing highly optimized mayes and targeted political messages on people? We believe this decision should not be compromised by money while Internet. Advertising is incredibly powerful well and very effective for commercial advertisers that power brings significant risks to politics where it can be used to influence votes to affect the lives of millions Internet political ads present entirely new challenges to civic discourse machine learning based optimization of messaging and micro retargeting unchecked misleading information and deep fakes. All at increasing velocity sophistication and overwhelming scale. These challenges will affect all Internet communication. Not just political ads. Best to focus our efforts on the root problems without the additional burden and complexity city taking money brings trying to fix both means fixing neither well and harms our credibility for instance. It's not credible. So for us to say we're working hard to stop people from gaming our systems to spread misleading info. But if someone pays us to target and force people to see their political ad well they can say whatever they want. Winking EMOJI stopping only candidate ads but issue ads present onto way to circumvent additionally. It isn't fair for everyone but candidates to buy ads for issues. They WANNA push so. We're stopping these to who end quote then goes on to clarify that some ads. For instance those promoting voter registration will still be allowed details on. That are coming in a few weeks weeks. He also suggests in hey very thinly veiled reference to facebook that he hopes this decision will spread to other platforms because frankly twitter isn't isn't the biggest ad platform for politics not by a mile but he is an ad platform for politics right now and it won't be and less this than one month. That's an interesting move. And the effects there are hard to predict. It's also worth noting that political ads are a small fraction of twitter's income while facebook brings in way more money from these kinds of ads. Many Democratic candidates approved twitter's move here and they commented on it in the context context of facebook political advertising. which has lately been kind of a mess reading from a tweet by Andrew Yang quote? I applaud twitter's decision to banned political ads. It's the rare triumph of the public. Good over the bottom line. I hope facebook. Follow suit or at least verifies defies and stands by the accuracy of political ads on its platform and quote Montana Governor Steve Bullock echoed. That sentiment writing quote. Good God your turn facebook and quote but not all the Democrats and certainly not the highest profile. Republicans agree reading from an article by Rachel. Lerman in and Barbara or and the Associated Press quote trump's campaign manager called twitter's change a very dumb decision in a statement Wednesday. This this is yet another attempt to silence conservatives since twitter knows president trump has the most sophisticated online program ever campaign manager Brad. Par Scale said the presidential campaign for former vice president. Joe Biden said it was unfortunate that companies would think the only option was to completely ban political glads when faced with a choice between ad dollars and the integrity of our democracy. It is encouraging that for once revenue did not win in out Bill Russo. The deputy communications director for Biden's campaign said in a statement and quote. So all of this comes in the context of facebook which has lately refused to remove false or misleading political ads. That has caused turmoil to say the least as recently as Tuesday facebook's Katie Har- r-bath wrote this in an op Ed for USA. Today quote anyone who thinks facebook should decide which claims by politicians are acceptable. Might ask themselves themselves this question. Why do you want us to have so much power in our view the only thing worse than facebook not making these? These calls is for facebook to make these calls. Our approach is consistent with companies like Youtube and twitter and broadcasters are required acquired by federal law not to censor candidate ads and quote. Twitter's move suggests. There is a third path that facebook is ignoring here. Stop allowing political ads altogether. That would remove the thorny problem of fact checking which itself has been an area of serious disagreement at facebook at the same time it would destroy a massive revenue stream for facebook so interesting move by twitter and we'll have to see how it shakes out out next up a new segment limited limited to three minutes or less a quick update on the trump impeachment inquiry and other election-related stuff in the world of the sitting president. Let's get into it I today. The the House voted on a resolution to authorize the impeachment proceeding including a variety of mechanisms. Under which it will happen. Only two Democrats voted against the measure. Every Republicans voted for it. Just a mosh. The former Republican who left the party because of impeachment voted for it four members were absent so did not vote wrote. The resolution passed to thirty two to one ninety six next former national security adviser. John Bolton may be caught in the same legal struggle as Charles Copper men who didn't show up for his testimony earlier. This Week Bolton has been invited but not subpoenaed by the House to testify it. Turns Out Bolton Bolton has the same lawyer as coppermine his former deputy that lawyer is likely to suggest that Bolton also needs a legal opinion before you can sit for testimony if if that's somehow magically doesn't happen Bolton would testify one week from today but expect that to happen so we don't know in Bolton might actually show up also rumored to be appearing soon. Are John Eisenberg. Who has a lawyer at the National Security Council and his deputy Michael Ellis? That appearance would be on Monday. And who else is up for Monday. Well we've got Robert Blair. Who worked under Mick Mulvaney? And then. There's Brian McCormick. who were the office of Management and budget of these? The most interesting is likely Eisenberg reading here from Washington Post story by Carol. D Lennick Tom. Hamburger and Greg Miller quote moments. After president didn't trump ended his phone call with Ukraine's President on July twenty fifth and unsettled. National Security aide rushed to the office of White House. Lawyer John Eisenberg Mark Army lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Venemen. The top Ukraine advisor at the White House had been listening to the call and was disturbed by the pressure. Trump had applied to Ukrainian president. Didn't Vladimir's Alinsky to investigate his political rivals according to people familiar with Benjamin's testimony to lawmakers this week vindication told Eisenberg the White House's legal legal adviser on national security issues that what the president did was wrong said the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation scribbling notes on on a yellow legal pad Eisenberg proposed a step that other officials have said is at odds with longstanding White House protocol moving a transcript of the call to a highly classified server and restricting access to it according to people familiar with WTN's account end quote senator. Kamala Harris has made major changes to her campaign including laying off some staffers. A story. Politico by Christopher coddle Lago and Scott Bland gets into the details. Here's a snippet from their intro quote Harris's dramatically restructuring structuring her campaign by redeploying staffers to Iowa and laying off dozens of AIDS at her Baltimore headquarters according to campaign sources and a memo obtained Wednesday by politico as she struggles to resuscitate her beleaguered presidential bid the move comes as Harris hemorrhaging cash and endanger of lacking the resources resources to mount a competitive bid against better funded rivals in Iowa. The overhaul will touch nearly every facet of Harris's operation with layoffs or redeployments coming at headquarters as well as in New Hampshire Nevada and her home state of California a Super Tuesday prize that her advisers once viewed as a big asset asset and quote now along with all that various. Staffers are taking pay cuts in an overall effort to match up spending with fundraising. The article has tons ends of detail on the Challenges Harris faces with fundraising particularly online fundraising in comparison to some others. Who recently capitalized on their debate performances? You may also recall. That Harris has been focused on Iowa for quite a while now back on September nineteenth. I reported from yet another politico article which read in part heart quote. I am bleeping moving to Iowa. Harris joke to a colleague in Washington within earshot of reporter and quote. Meanwhile there is some unrest among Harris's donor base reading from one particularly scathing part of yesterday's politico article quote donors contacted by Politico Politico said Harris's failure to take off is months in the making but has coincided with her crash in polls and it's been exacerbated by her. Recent spirals does that she was lapped by Buddha judge a small city mayor from Indiana and nearly overcome in the third quarter by entrepreneur. Andrew Yang only makes put worse. She's from bleeping California. The idea that you don't have support of high dollar donors doesn't make any sense said a democratic donor who maxed out to Harris's campaign but is disappointed by her inability to build a large-scale fundraising operation. I blame her end quote wrote and Yikes so. We'll have to see how this all works out now despite some lower polling numbers lately than she got earlier in the Cycle Harris has qualified qualified for the November DNC debate and needs just one more poll for December Here's a quick won. A national poll by Suffolk in USA Today came out yesterday and accounts for both the November and December DNC enc debates. It had a four percent result for representative Tulsi Gabbard which gives her a third qualifying poll for November and a second for December. If she he gets one more result in the next few weeks she will be on the stage in November. Oh and before I forget. The margin of error on the democratic side is four point nine percent but regardless of the margin. The result counts for Bay qualification. No other candidates got any new qualifying results from this poll and by the way on the Republican inside the combination of mark. Sanford Joe Walsh and bill weld all added up to four percent. In the poll of Republican primary voters versus versus eighty five percent for trump the margin of error on the Republican side is plus or minus five point five percent in other words. The margin of error is greater than the overall support for all the non trump Republican candidates Last today Ed Kilgore Writing For New York magazine's intelligencer brought up an interesting point if the impeachment proceeding in the house reaches. She's the Senate in January for trial which is certainly possible. That might present real problems for the sitting senators currently in the presidential race. So let's run down that list one more time to emphasize the importance of these candidates. You've got Michael Bennett. Cory Booker Comma Harris Amy Club. Hr Bernie Sanders unders and Warren. They're all in the Senate and they all presumably. You need to be present for major chunks of any impeachment hearing so the first part of this is okay wait. Why have anything? We happening in January. When the original plan in the house was to finish their part up in late November Berg the Senate could handle this quickly in December and avoid the election year timetable altogether? Well that's looking less likely now because there are a lot more witnesses mrs showing up and we just can't predict exactly how this will work over the coming months in the article Kilgore look at the Clinton impeachment as the most recent example sample if the current process runs roughly. On that same schedule it would extend beyond both the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary if it goes any longer. It's pushing into the Nevada caucuses and the South Carolina primary and possibly even Super Tuesday on March third. The reason season. This is a problem. Is that all those early. Voting states are typically key campaign stops for candidates right at those times like you WanNa be on the ground around in Iowa in January that is crucial. But if you're tied up back in the Senate that's GonNa be a problem and okay. Why would they be stuck in the the Senate well reading from the article quote an impeachment? Trial doesn't allow for time off to do campaign events. The Senate rules require that once. The trial begins ends. It must stay in session six days a week and quote and before you think well Gee at least these senators get to give big speeches and stuff of which might almost amount to televised campaign moments. Well not so much reading again from the article quote the current Senate rules compel virtual ritual silence from senators during the trial itself though they are free to run their mouths before it begins and after it ends during the trial and less S.. Precedents are ignored. All Senators get to do is send written questions to be posed by the house managers or the President's attorneys and then stand up and vote guilty or not guilty when the deal goes down. Not much room for showboating there and quote so wow this is speculation. It's certainly interesting speculation. And it may present a real problem for some of the highest profiles in the Democratic primary. Well that is it for one more episode of the election ride. Home I have been your host Chris Higgins you always find me on twitter at Chrissy. teigen's well I was fasting this morning and overnight before a routine medical test. Everything's fine they just check in once in a while recording this. I just got back from that test. 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"Today eighteen December twenty nineteen is an historic day for the United States. We gathered today under the Dome of this Temple of Democracy to exercise one of the most solemn powers hours that this body can take the impeachment of the president of the United States. One hundred forty six days after president trump called up Ukrainian presidents alinsky and asked for a favor one hundred twenty eight days after an anonymous whistleblower filed a complaint accusing the president of using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country into the twenty twenty election after weeks of congressional hearings witnesses. A week after the house drew up articles the the House of Representatives is preparing to impeach the forty fifth president of the United States. Donald John Trump. If we do not act now we would be derelict. Elect in our duty. It is tragic that the president's reckless actions make impeachment necessary. He gave us no choice. But as Fox's Andrew Andrew procup explained to me the house isn't quite finished with this impeachment business yet so the next move is for the house to name. It's impeachment managers yes. They will be members of the House of Representatives who will go over to the Senate and actually try and make the case against trump sort of like prosecutors shooters do at an ordinary trial when Republicans impeached Clinton back in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. They picked out thirteen impeachment managers who went over in for several days presented their arguments to the Senate wants. The trial began so Democrats will now have to pick their own lineup. This is really you gotta be up to Nancy Pelosi. And she has a lot of Democrats in her caucus who would like to have this high profile role for themselves and do the Republicans get to pick some manages and just to note. The House majority has voted to impeach trump and Pelosi is the speaker of the House and she will make the call You know though in theory this is an institutional move by the house and are more partisan system which wasn't really anticipated by the founders The houses houses controlled by a majority party and they call all the shots. You mentioned the founders. Does the constitution spell out exactly what happens next so the constitution says is that the Senate will now hold a trial on the impeachment so trump will of course remain president until the Senate it decides on his guilt or innocence and that trial is expected to happen in January when the heads over to the Senate in January what happens I so first off. The Senate has to decide on the procedures that it will use for for this impeachment trial and there's already a back and forth about that between Republican majority leader Mitch McConnell and democratic ignoring leader Chuck Schumer Senate Democrats believe strongly that the trial must be fair. A fair trial is one where senators get all the facts and one that allows them to adjudicate the case impartially the Republicans to commit really early to call four specific witnesses acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney former national security adviser John Bolton White House aide Robert Blair and office management and budget official Michael Duffy four witnesses we propose have direct knowledge of why the aid to Ukraine was delayed. We don't know what kind of evidence they will present. They might present exculpatory evidence that it helps president trump it may be incriminating against the president. But they should be heard. And how did Mitch McConnell respond to that. So McConnell on Tuesday morning announced that he wanted to follow the precedent set by the bill. Oh Clinton impeachment trial in nineteen ninety nine instead of a tried and true nineteen ninety nine model start the trial and then see how senators wish to pursued food Democrat later to write a completely new set of rules for president trump. So McConnell is saying we don't have to decide had this witness issue right now we can postpone it until the trial is actually underway and then see if people actually want to hear ear witnesses and that was the Republican controlled Senate during the impeachment proceedings of Bill Clinton. Yes it was but you know that was a Republican Senate that was reviewing an impeachment case presented by a Republican House. This time around. We have a Republican Senate reviewing an impeachment case presented by Democrats against a Republican president. So McConnell has sort of you know. He's taking refuge in precedent but he has also made his own political objectives clear. He went on Fox News last week. And everything I do during this. I'm coordinating with White House. Counsel there will be no difference between the president physician and our position. Listen as to how to handle this to the extent that we can W- and he declared that there's no way that the president is going to be removed from office in this trial so he is saying President President President but he also wants to get his way however to get his way he will have to keep a handle on his Republican majority. It takes fifty one one votes to pass anything related to the impeachment trial. So it's really going to be up to the senators who are Republicans from competitive states for those who have shown a willingness to criticize trump. They will have to decide what they want to do with this witness issue. People like Mitt Romney of Utah. Susan Collins ends of Main Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Maybe Cory Gardner of Colorado and Those are the people who are going to be the really key votes when they do get got to. The question of witnesses is there. Any guarantee of this process is going to be fair. If Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader is already saying before the trial even begins there will be no daylight between the Senate and the White House well. McConnell's argument is that it's in fact the house that's being completely unfair. He said they rushed to impeach trump with a slapdash process. They barely even tried to get some of these witnesses to testify. Who Senate Democrats are now asking for for? But you know. Impeachment is a political process but Mitch McConnell's argument is that Democrats barely tried to get the witnesses that the Senate Democrats rats now want the same witnesses that the White House forbade from testifying. Yes the White House has blocked them from testifying but McConnell has reportedly made clear in private private that he wants no witnesses to be called at all in part this is because president trump has been making various extreme demands That he's uncomfortable. Uncomfortable with trump wants to call hunter biden as a witness. He wants to call Adam Schiff. The Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is witness and Republicans. Don't really I love that in the Senate they think. These requests are kind of ridiculous on trump's part but their solution to this may be to simply simply called no witnesses al which means we won't get to see the president himself directly testify in his impeachment trial. Reportedly trump trump has mused about perhaps wanting to testify in his own defense but his lawyers and his Political people seem to think that would be a very bad idea idea and that the best approach for him is to just get this over with if the Senate holds a relatively brief trial that quickly resulted in his acquitted than he can. Just move onto other stuff rather than making a big show a spectacle of him. You know going in arguing his innocence before the Senate it sounds like a lot of the disagreements between Republicans and Democrats and even the White House have been whether witnesses called which witnesses are called. Have there been any other major sources of contention here the length of the trial. Who Democrats eventually call to be there the so called impeachment managers stuff like that? I think the major issue is how the senators should view their own roles in this process whether they are merely passive jurors whether they're supposed to keep an open mind whether they're allowed to come to conclusions in advance and so on. According to the the standing rules of Senate impeachment trials the members of the Senate are supposed to take an oath beforehand. Saying that they they will solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the impeachment trial they will do impartial justice according to the Constitution Shen and laws and so Democrats have been arguing that for McConnell to say. He's working with the White House and for other senators. Like Lindsey Graham to say hey that I am clearly made up my mind. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdain for the accusations in the process so I don't need any witnesses. Democrats Kratz having crying foul saying you know you should really take this process and these accusations more seriously tried to weigh the evidence and arguments ends that are presented to you and make up your minds in that way wall. We're on the rules. The senators will play. I mean Mitch. McConnell is the Senate majority leader but he's not he's not the judge in this trial Z.. So we will see chief justice John Roberts making an unusual appearance in the Senate floor chief justice of the Supreme Court presides over a presidential impeachment trial but the chief justice if he follows the example set by chief. Justice William Rehnquist in nine hundred ninety nine will not actually do much rehnquist kind of sat back and let the Senate run the trial as they saw fit he said afterward I did nothing in particular and did it very well. That's a great self-assessment their quizzed so we've got C.. J. John Roberts is the the judge we've got the democratic impeach managers from the House as the prosecutors who is defending Donald. So there's also discussion about that going on in the White House Trump will at some point designate lawyers to make his case and that'll be interesting because he decided not to do that in the house. He didn't engage in the house process at all. Aw so we will finally see. Trump's legal team show up in the Senate to make their own arguments. And what should we expect from his legal team. An an actual defense of the president's actions like we got in the letter. He sent Nancy Pelosi last night. Or just more of the witch hunt which hunt that we also got in the letter. He sent to Toposa last night. Maybe both pretty again. There are a lot of speeches speeches in grand proclamations being made during the impeachment hearings in the House. Is it going to be a similar scene in the Senate or will this be a a more sort of solemn affair the really interesting thing about how the process plays out in the Senate is that if the example of the Clinton trial is followed senators. Don't actually get to speak during the trial. They have to sit there and listen as the house. Impeachment managers make their case and then as the defense lawyers I for the president make their case very different from what we're used to seeing at a congressional hearing with a ton of bloviating from the senators McConnell has indicated that he is going to follow this example and he said may maybe it would be a good change of pace for some of his colleagues to have to be quiet for a bit and sit back and listen rather than talking is he. Talking about Lindsey Graham. He's probably telling him at the Democrats mostly. Will this be televised. The House hearings were yes. C. Span two probably all other major networks will be covering this. I wonder you know we watched the house. Intelligence Committee Committee hearings and that seemed more like an investigative process. Then we watched the judiciary committee hearings which seemed like Total circus is there a risk here that when this goes to the Senate and you've got the president's attorneys in the room you've got multiple candidates for president in two thousand twenty the room you've got the chief justice of the Supreme Court in the room and the rest of the Senate that if this doesn't look like functional American democracy you that it could harm this process in the future. I don't think there's any way to make an impeachment. Trial looked pretty. This is an effort to remove an elected president from office for alleged high crimes and misdemeanors. That's serious stuff. And naturally the president and his defenders are fighting back against it while how the prosecutors are arguing that these high crimes and misdemeanors did in fact happen and meriting his removal. So it's GONNA BE NASTY Steve for sure. I do think that the Senate trial will be an interesting change of pace from what we've seen in the house just because of some the matters we've discussed. How senators won't get to speak? Had the president's lawyers will be participating so maybe there will be a bit more dignity to the proceedings than and we've seen so far but don't expect our sunshine and rainbows and inspiring examples of democracy in action. Okay great well I look forward to discussing whatever the opposite of sunshine and rainbows is with you in the New Year Andrew Thank you aw. Aw that's pro. He's a senior correspondent covering politics. Vox Locks I'm John Rama's firm. This is Ukraine explained Doc.
"I have been directed by the House of Representatives to inform the Senate. The House has passed h read seven nine eight a resolution appointing and authorizing managers but the impeachment trial of Don. John John from he has been held accountable. He has been impeached. He's been impeached forever. They can never erase that. There's conventional wisdom in Washington. That goes like this. Nancy Pelosi delayed the start of Donald Trump's impeachment trial for several weeks to four Senate Republicans. Not to rig it. And since it's Mitch. McConnell didn't agree to hear from witnesses or subpoenaed documents that means she lost but the conventional wisdom is wrong. She one to see why imagine policy referred the articles of impeachment right after the House passed them. McConnell could have buried the trial in the Christmas holiday or convenient right after the New Year Senate. Republicans have dismissed the charges or acquitted trump based on the bad faith argument that the house didn't hear from firsthand witnesses. All of whom of course trump ordered not to testify testify instead Pelosi created uncertainty. There'd be no trial until we know whether Republicans plan to engage in a cover-up or not what and that left every Republican senator hounded by a simple question would they allow witnesses or would they block them. McConnell didn't quote quote Unquote Cave but it sure seems like his members did Maine Senator. Susan Collins told reporters on Friday that she's working with a small group of fellow all over Republicans on ensuring witnesses in the trial. I can't imagine that only two witnesses that our democratic colleagues would WANNA call would would be called. Sally should the Senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment. Trial Year Liberal Hack. I'm not talking. You're not gonNA comment. That delay also created an information vacuum. All the unknown concealed information about the Ukraine scheme could flow and it has flooded in if you think is the main inaccuracy or the main and live. That's being told that you feel like you can corrupt the president didn't know what was going on. President trump know exactly what was going on. You believe that Vice President Pence knew what he knew that his trip to the inauguration was contingent on on those investigations being announced again. I mean I know he went to Poland also to discuss this trump's behalf so he couldn't have. I know that was left. Parnasse one of trump's Ukraine scheme point man in an interview with Rachel Maddow Parnasse faces a lengthy prison sentence for for committing a number of crimes thinking. He had trump's protection but he didn't and so he's decided to tell all what he's revealed stunning and at the last minute and much of it has been folded into the official record that the Houses Impeachment Managers Aka the prosecutors will lay out to the Senate. This includes a letter from Rudy. Giuliani Juliani to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelinski establishing trump skilled. It also includes the alarming suggestion that they all put the US ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich Ivanovic under surveillance and at physical risk so the trial that will actually see when it begins next week. We'll be very different than the one we would have. Seen had Pelosi decided not not to play hardball. And through these revelations we can see why trump and McConnell are so desperate to cover everything up but as much as we've learned trump and his accomplices are clearly still hiding a great deal and they may still have the tools they need to keep us the public from ever learning the full full ugly truth about the shakedown of Ukraine. My guest this week. Is Kate Brennan. She's editorial director at just security and actually broke one one of the biggest stories about the scheme over the holidays while the articles of impeachment were sitting on Nancy Pelosi's desk we'll discuss these extraordinary developments. And what trump and McConnell in their desperation might do to prevent more of them from coming to light. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. Kate Brennan welcomed Rubicon. Thanks so much for having me so you broke some pretty the important news about the Ukraine scandal after the House had impeached Donald Trump before it referred the articles to the Senate including some documentary evidence that trump ordered the government to withhold military aid to Ukraine directly Can you tell us just a little bit about what you learned and where it fits into the broader. Her Ukraine story sure so in December the Center for Public Integrity had sued the trump administration for emails between the Defense Department Hartman and the Office of Management and budget which is called mb in Washington and relating to the Ukraine story and the trump administration was ordered by a judge. Sh- release these e mails. which they you did and two batches but they did with really heavy redaction so most of the most the most interesting stuff had been blacked out and over the holidays a source provided me a set out of the emails but with the reductions lifted? So I got to read the full story. You know the full back and forth between the Pentagon ownby and what it revealed was on the one hand. It revealed that the Pentagon had made its objections to the hold. Really clear and concerns is legal concerns about the hold Loud and clear throughout the summer and then into the fall and the main worry was that the trump's hold on the military aid violated the Impoundment Control Act which mandates that the executive branch spend money. Exactly the way Congress appropriated it and if they want to change their mind or do something different you know. They don't have much wiggle room but if they are going going to they have to notify Congress and obviously in this case with the Ukraine aid. That never happened. And so as I was reading the emails I could see that these concerns from the Pentagon is much stronger than had been represented by the administration up until that point and then what also is clear from reading. The emails was what had been redacted was truly the most incriminating and embarrassing aspects of these emails so it also told the story of obstruction. And you know it's just another step that this White House has taken to keep this story from coming to light it. We should note that as we record this to today on Thursday today the GAO has determined that the administration broke the law. Exactly you mentioned the Impoundment Control Act by withholding is holding a DU crane so the concerns that they tried to cover up that they were discussing amongst themselves were were live and and and they unreal and now it comes out that the the people saying that you were GonNa be breaking the law by doing this correct exactly. So that's the the The person in question at the Pentagon her name is Elaine. mccusker she's the acting Pentagon comptroller and she said repeatedly. Look guys this is no joke. We're GONNA violate the Payment Control Act. And then in the early September she was basically like We are violating the impoundment control. Act We are not going to be able to spend this money. By September timber thirtieth and it will be impounded which means it will be it will be returned to the US Treasury and now Republicans have said in defense of trump. Look all the money was released. It's fine no harm done and what actually happened was by the time. The money was released on September eleventh. The Pentagon made it known to Congress. We are not going to be able to spend all this money be able to get it on contract by the weapons that Ukraine needs by the end of the fiscal year and so congress actually stepped in and wrote legislation that extended the money It was thirty five million dollars that was basically put in jeopardy by trump's hold i. It's interesting the way you characterize the the you know what you discovered this reporting. Is You know when your story broke. What sort of captivated The Democratic leaders in Congress and and and the media I think was the you know the disclosure of trump's direct involvement which which tends to You know sort of corroborate the the accusations against him in in the first article of impeachment but the implicit story is about the the justification or lack thereof for the reactions that you got to see under and and that that implication kind of also bolsters the second article of impeachment for for obstruction. You know where these documents were not turned over to Congress and when they were You know when a judge said that they needed to be released they tried to still conceal. Aw the damaging information from becoming public Books that the public would know and presumably the congress would know so in a sense it it's like a microcosm of the of the of the impeachment itself is how you see it. Yeah I think too you know I knew it was a big story but I wasn't quite ready for its impact and I think it's because I had missed or I had an I had overlooked this aspect of it that the reductions themselves showed a cover up and I was able to sort of lift. Lift the veil on that and in a way you know give power to the public like this is the stuff that they're not showing you And that gave it a lot of legs you know. In addition to what was actually in in the emails and like you said there was that line in it clear direction from police to hold which came at the end of August which by that point the Pentagon had made loud and clear like we. I think this is a legal. On the entire national security establishment had told the president. We don't support this hold. We think Ukraine should get the military aid. And even at that point you could could see in this email that directly from president trump and only president trump was this order. NOPE keep the hold on the money and I think that that you know that was just that line clear direction from police to hold is you know is the story. So you got to see another reductions the redacted versions themselves were foia it in a in an unobstructed impeachment inquiry. They would have been provided to Congress and included included in part of the factual record that the house considered as as it deliberated impeachment. Right that had been up to trump these would have been withheld from congresses concealed forever. You know not turned up in a in a foyer or anything. Is that your understanding that well absolutely and there are a number of emails for which that's remains. The case is there are these emails that the New York Times has sued the administration for between Robert Blair whose Mick Mulvaney who was the former director of Oh Oh NBA and is now the White House chief of staff and so his top aide at the White House. Is this Guy Robert Blair and this Guy Mike. Duffy and Mike Duffy Overseas National Security Programs at O. M. B. so Blair and Duffy. Were you know right in the middle of the communications about the hold. On on the Ukraine it went it was communicated from trump Komo Vini to Blair to Duffy out into the agencies to to mccusker at Dod et Cetera. And so there are these the set of emails between Blair and Duffy Daffy that the New York Times has sued for and the trump administration has said not only are we not gonNA release them redacted. We're not going to release them at all and like you said these would be emails. How's that if the executive branch were honoring Congress's constitutional right to do oversight of the executive branch they would have provided these in an impeachment inquiry? And then then that's just sort of one set of emails. There's also the entire question of what was going on at the State Department and you had all these witnesses during the investigation in the house. That came forward word from now. Their names are all going to leave me. Bill Taylor and Robert Hale and David Tale. Excuse me anyway. WHO said you know? I collected all of my emails. Wants this got started as I was directed to Congress and now they're sitting somewhere the State State Department won't provide them to Congress because the White House is telling them not to the same. They're a bunch of Pentagon e mails for which that's you know that's also the case And now with we. I know we'll talk about this in a little bit. But with the revelations that parnassus alleging about what was going on with The removal all of the US ambassador to Ukraine. Ivanovich Marie Ivanovich. You know. There's a huge question around these e mails. What would they reveal about what the State Department in and Mike Pompeo? What did they know about Any threats to her safety and what were the circumstances under which she was removed from that country And so there is still a lot out there in terms of documentary evidence that the administration is blocking that would reveal. You know shed so much On the story so we have to. We have to. We can only make assumptions about what is being concealed. We know from your reporting Psalm. Tom Of of what was in fact. Concealed from the impeachment inquiry in the trial is now underway. And what you learn what is in your. The story is not in the official impeachment record As far as you know. Does that mean that that the impeachment managers just that. This information is not available to them as they try. Try to persuade senators to convince trump or I mean H- how important is it that they managed to keep this stuff under wraps until after her. The articles were passed. Well I do know and it was kind of a you know an interesting moment for me just as an individual and a reporter. I believe my story story was entered into the record this week. That was transmitted with the articles of impeachment And I think that there's a you know. I think that the Parnis attacks that we saw this week. I think there's a record that goes with the articles now. I don't know how that's used. When they're making their case I think outside of the the technical aspects of it from my story you know the New York Times reporting about some really important meetings that took place that summer between trump and his national security advisors You know the new information that's coming out of love Parnassus the GAO report that you mentioned earlier. You know this finding finding that yeah the military hold violated the law All of that in a political sense is giving an enormous amount of momentum and I think you know whether it'll break the damn on Senate Republicans holding trump accountable. I mean I still people are pretty pessimistic. But the pressure is just like Ruben. Ratcheted up and ratcheted up. I think way more than had none of this come out in the interim from the time that the articles were voted on and then if they had been transmitted right away I think in the space that was created by Polisi holding them back and the amount of shoes that have dropped in the meantime have you know. Put the pressure on you know just made it feel more urgent and I think for the trump administration must make them feel incredibly really nervous. Because I don't think they know when the next shoe will drop. I think they know what shoes could drop because they know exactly what happened. But they don't know when they'll drop in like for example today Robert Hyde who's this Republican who's running running for Congress in Connecticut who was the one who was texting with I love Parnasse about possibly serving Marie Ivanovich in Ukraine. And you know whether or not they were like contemplating depleting a hit on her as it sounds like but that they've both denied sense His house was raided today by the FBI. So like who knows knows what's coming next is is how I see it i. I'm really glad you put it that way. Because you're scoop underscored to me exactly why. The trump administration obstructed congress in the first place in by Republicans particularly the Senate have done have signaled that the desire many of them have to keep as much new information from coming to light as possible but also I think illustrated a lesser disgust. Piece piece of the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi's decision to hang onto the articles for a few weeks Like we we tended to discuss that tactic through the lens of weather. It would force Mitch McConnell till admit defeat in some way or or or whether Senate Republicans individually would come out and say you know I'm I'm GonNa Not Vote for any motion. That doesn't allow us to call witnesses. And so you know now that the trial is getting underway and you know sure ince's of that sort have been made You see a lot of You Know Post Game Analysis of this decision. The policies gambit failed in some sense. But I think that's totally wrong right In part because this this flood of information that's coming out is is so unsettling that it seems like like it will make it very difficult for fifty one republicans to vote to shutdown new factfinding But also so because Pelosi kind of created as window right like that irrespective of what Republicans were going to do with their votes or how they were going to allow the trial to be structured assured the there was just this opening she created for people with information to to come forward right like. There's a strong indication that the Republicans in the Senate are leaning towards not allowing witnesses not allow documents To to come to light so in this limited period that Pelosi created stuff has started to come out Do you see. Do you see it that way or did you see it when you were reporting out your story that this was like an effect of of her having created some sense of uncertainty about when the trial would be allowed to start. I definitely didn't see it when I was reporting my story. I was sort of head down and you know oblivious because it's the holidays I'd his own I don't I'm not can't get in her head so I don't know how much I mean. She certainly didn't know in to some extent what was coming down the pike. I mean in terms of my own reporting I can see. That's for sure the partners I mean left parts had certainly indicated before that I believe if I'm remembering correctly like I'm GonNa Talk to Congress and I'm GONNA turn stuff. He might have already turned some of his documents over. So I think that and everybody's aware that this documentary evidence is out there So it I mean. In retrospect it seems like it was you know a wise move move on her part Trying to think there was something else you said but I'm now Oh I was thinking about how you said about Mitch McConnell and the Republicans like at this point they basically have to you know. New evidence has come forward and it now when they if they don't call witnesses and if they don't subpoenaed documents you know it'll look like they're not acting upon you know new evidence that's come forward that you really need you know. Oh you should be required to investigate and it reminded me you know on the one hand you think. Well they now have to do that like how could they their backs up against the wall but it reminded me as you're you're talking of the cavenaugh hearings and you know new. Witnesses came forward. And you know there was all this pressure to open up the FBI investigation. And they did did the sham process and call today so it's certainly not beneath them to do so do the question. What's the political cost? I I guess of doing it right right. The I mean the the Parnasse case. I'm I'm glad you mentioned it. I think it's like the most irrefutable refutable testament to the withholding the article strategy. Like he didn't his lawyer produce these incredible documents to the impeachment. Investigators and I think they like literally within hours of the House. Vote to refer the articles of impeachment to the Senate so like barely in time to be included in the factual record. And I wasn't aware that that your article had also gotten looped into the same factual records. So it you know the there. There is a quantifiable amount of information. That just was not known and to the impeachment investigators after they voted to impeach trump that became known to them before the trial began. And I think that makes it like fairly irrefutable refutable that the strategy strengthened the case itself completely apart from the question of how Republicans will vote destructor the trial or whether they'll allow allow any of this new information to affect their strong inclination to acquit trump. Did Gao finding. Today I mean I would put it in the same category gory it. It makes it really uncomfortable for the Republicans know violating the impoundment contract was not part of the you know was not an article of impeachment mint. But you now have this independent body saying the trump administration violated the law in connection to this story and you see already today today. Republicans sort of saying well the GAO's not that independent. which is you know? If that's your argument gets a losing argument And or you see them avoiding reporters they. Don't I want to comment on it. It's too it's too awkward And so the I will say from the time that the that the House voted on the articles to to where we are a day right now it is different information environment and it's a different a different political environment. I think for Senate Republicans that were already feeling a little bit uncomfortable up with just like cleaning their hands and making this go away as fast as they could. Yeah I think it was earlier today. Chuck Schumer tweeted something to the effect or said something to the effect of like you know. God Forbid Republicans. You know try to see all this information Render judgment against trump one way or another based on the incomplete record and then after they've already cast their votes to cover up whatever equipped trump the the whole truth comes out and not only have they voted for the cover it but the cover up fails retroactively and I'm watching. At least the Republican publican leadership grapple with this essential question. Like they must be aware now like it's like I think that they probably thought once the House House had voted to impeach trump that they would have a lot more control over the information environment Then they did when the house was running the show and the last two or three weeks have proven that they really don't right like there are still they're still foy they're still leakers. They're still witnesses. There's court cases that are ongoing and And these bombshells will continue to drop like in in the middle of the trial after the trial and so they are actually weighing this basic question. It's not cover up or no cover up it's it's Should we let all this information. Come out at once in the trial and then rip off the band aid and be done with it or let let it all Kinda dribble out slowly after we've already communicated with our votes our intention to to not let the public see this stuff. Yeah I'm two things I think they have to continue to obstruct because on you know I the information that's coming out is so damning and I can only imagine the information information that's being most closely protected like the Blair Duffy emails or whatever. The State Department e mails show are even worse. Like that's why we haven't haven't seen them And that's why you know the witnesses that haven't been allowed to testify Mulvaney. Blair Duffy John Bolton you know they have the worst stories to tell and so I can't imagine they take all right. Actually you know just that we can control. It will let everything come forward because it's You know it's like president. The president shooting someone Fifth Avenue. Like it's all GonNa be right there for us to see I think the other thing. That's a little tricky maybe for Democrats. It's not tricky but on the one hand there is plenty of evidence to explain what happened. between trump and Ukraine. And and you know him soliciting foreign interference in the election on that phone. Call the ties between asking for that investigation to Joe Biden and holding the military aid. The evidence is there that said. Is there more evidence out there absolutely so I think there's like this. Tricky thing that Republicans are also playing on where it's like. Well if you don't have the complete clete picture how on Earth Are you impeaching him. If there's all this stuff that still remains out there then you didn't do due diligence and so both things can be true. You can both have enough. Evidence is to move forward and there can also be plenty of evidence that still being obstructed and I think some of the allegations that Parnasse has raised just raise completely new questions like up until now the physical safety and the circumstances of Maria von riches being removed from Ukraine weren't part of the story really and as the FBI raid today shows the that's a new avenue investing of Investigation that cannot be you know just ignored or forgotten like we. I think the American public has a right to know Whether she was being threatened and back whom and where did it stop. How high up did it go? So a couple thoughts on that one is the this talking with the Republicans really have taken to about how this information coming to light just underscores that the house didn't do a very thorough job in its impeachment. Went totally allies. The point that trump has been impeached for obstructing the inquiry. Right like there's a reason. The House's factual record is incomplete complete and it's almost entirely because donald trump refused to cooperate with the inquiry. And so now he's they're going to have to vote on that article of impeachment and you the logic of what they're saying is that basically they're going to they're going to neuter their own institution and its power to compel executive branch disclosure of information. And I'm not sure for the trial will allow the impeachment managers to confront Senate Republicans with that contradiction that internal contradiction. And I'm curious to see like how how individual Republicans Republicans as a whole grapple with it The second thing is that I you know the the environment is uncertain enough that the White House is preparing for defections or at least is claiming to be preparing for defections on the question of witnesses and documents and trump himself after kind of pretending for awhile to want a fair trial. Trial now says that he might claim executive privilege if witnesses appear normally fights over that are resolved by AH accommodation between Congress and the executive branch or by courts. And I'm wondering how you think efforts to conceal information by citing privilege like this sort of last last all the information's flooding in. But he still has this thing that he can use to control it. How will efforts to conceal information by citing privilege play out in the context works of an impeachment trial where it's never really happened before I think where there's an opportunity to sort of take executive privilege to places it's never gone before the trump have been ministration? We'll do so I mean. They've kind of exerted like complete immunity from congressional invest. Oversight is their position and you know and then in a criminal setting they Say you know. The PRE president can't even be criminally investigated while in office. So you know as far as I can tell always argue it as far as you know. They'll stretch the law to its farthest point to protect him from The people testifying and evidence being provided against him In the impeachment setting. I'll be really curious to see how it plays out. And and John Bolton signifying if you subpoena me I'll come forward is just a mystery. You know what will happen there. If he doesn't fact testify justify will he. Then you know come forward but rely on executive privilege to sort of block revealing his most review Private discussions with the president that Relate to this story He he certainly can and you know. I think we'll just have to see what happens there. in closing thoughts for our listeners. any closing thoughts. I think today I mean there is so much going on right now between an you know from where I acidic just security. We're trying to balance you know analysis of The president's strike against Qasim Sulejmani and all of the legal issues. There are and you know all of the information there you know in the decision making that went behind that that we don't know yet to impeachment to the new revelations every day. There's just a lot to take in and you know today. The impeachment trial began And so I think it's just I guess as we're taping like justice assists stop and recognize the historical significance of what's happening in the Senate and You know paying attention to it. It's you know it can get almost. It's crazy that the impeachment of a president can get lost in the craziness of the new cycle and that but but you know it's an a really important moment in history and I only wish that All of the senators you know task task with the decision. There take it seriously as well. Yeah that's that's a good note to close on. Be a good citizen and pay attention Kate Brandon Thank you for joining us. Thank you. That's it for this week next week. Donald Trump's impeachment trial will have begun. And we'll hopefully have a clear sense of just how well or poorly Republican efforts to keep more incriminating information from coming to light fared and if they fared poorly who knows what will have learned. This show is produced by crooked media. It's it's written in hosted by me. Brian Butler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and reverse wherever you get your podcast uh-huh and.
Wed. 10/30 New Hampshire Opens Primary Filing
"Welcome to the election ride home for Wednesday October Thirtieth Twenty nineteen. I'm your host Chris Higgins with a summary of election news. Today New Hampshire opens its primary Mary Filing period. And that's a lot of fun. The trump impeachment stuff in three minutes or less a new poll helps candidates in both the November and December. DNC The debates what that poll told us about the Republican Primary Moody's analytics attempts to predict the two thousand presidential election and the Pro Biden SUPERPAC back now officially exists. Here's what you missed today from the campaign trail today New Hampshire officially opened its primary filing period. Now you may ask what is that and why does that matter. That is precisely what I asked when I saw this float by desk as some kind of news. So here's the deal in New Hampshire. As we discussed a zillion times on this show is the first in the nation primary so that is cool and normal but because they have this special status they have turned the event of filing to be on the ballot in that primary into basically a public photo op for all the candidates. Come into this. One guy's office that a guy a secretary of State Bill Gardner. Who has been doing this for? I'm not kidding. Forty three years and they filed their paperwork. And it's a whole thing. The first candidate fire this year is Pete Buddha judge who showed up this morning so here is specifically how it works as detailed by Jaundice Dosso. WMU Our radio in New Hampshire. Quote Gardner will show them. The legendary desk donated by the family of the late State Representative Steven Bullock who authored the first primary law in nineteen thirteen. He'll give them a bit of historical perspective and he'll likely show them the poster he created for the two thousand. Twenty New Hampshire primary celebrating. The one hundred years have passed since the contest test became the first in the nation while the twenty twenty primary campaign has been underway for a year the firing period brings it into an even sharper focus. Now now it's for real. The next step will be for Gardner to set the date of the primary. He'll likely do that several weeks. After the close of the filing period around the end of the month Japan quote now look story actually goes on for a shockingly long time and it is well worth a read. It includes a photo of the bullock desk and that special poster. It also has a detailed interview with Gardner about this historic process but beyond that story includes an exhaustive list of who is expected it to show up to file their paperwork including specific dates and times like literally it says Bernie Sanders will show up tomorrow at eleven thirty. AM sharp sharp now beyond all that there is also a list of who has not said when they'll show up which really seems like public shaming. There is even the following amazing line regarding the filing times for Comma Harris and Cory Booker possibly colliding with another major candidate quote arrangements mints are being negotiated to ensure that vice president. Mike Pence and the two Democrats do not overlap in their filings. End Quote so look if you ever or click the link in the show notes in your life. This wine is up top just past all the social media. Stuff voters of New Hampshire. I salute you. You have earned this. This is awesome awesome next up a new segment limited to three minutes or less a quick update on the trump impeachment inquiry and other election-related stuff in the world of the sitting president. Let's get into it. The text of the resolution authorizing the impeachment hearing has been released the vote on this resolution still scheduled for tomorrow and the resolution doesn't have many surprises. It's in line with existing house procedures for impeachment inquiries and testimony in general one item that made headlines was that both the ranking democratic and Republican members of the Intelligence Committee can question witnesses for up to forty five minutes uninterrupted for as many rounds as they like before passing that questioning off to other committee members the two members would go one run after the other back and forth. Now part of this is already in the house rules for witness-questioning which allow for up to sixty minutes combined. The change here is ninety. Eight minutes combined for this preceding the procedures also allow Republicans to call witnesses but they have to be approved by the Democratic leadership again. That is already in the house rules else for this stuff. So it's not exactly news. One notable items of the proceedings will start being public where appropriate if this resolution passes so that would be the exchange given that much of what we reported on so far has been through leaks or prepared statements or other sources because the hearings have been private today to figures described by the Guardian as career diplomats testified about trump's attitude toward Ukraine. There Catherine Croft and Christopher Anderson reading from the Guardian here about what their testimony money means quote. Each witness seems to be helping to build a larger picture of president using foreign policy to try to advance his reelection prospects at a team mm-hmm of advisers who largely. Let him do it and quote coming up on Friday White House aide. Robert Blair is scheduled testify in the House as well. He was one of the many people on the Ukraine phone call and has testimony might clarify other accounts of that call and one follow up to yesterday's testimony is that Alexander s vind men testified. Hi that the summary of the Ukraine phone call released by the White House was not a transcript. Now we already knew that because it says right in the document that it is not a transcript but rather a reconstruction -struction based on notes but still having a witness who was on the call who actually took notes during the call saying the record of that call that has been released is is missing key details. Well that's potentially big but we do not know what vitamin said was missing from that summary so that remains a big question in mark yesterday opole from CNN. And the University of New Hampshire actually moved the needle for several candidates in terms of qualifying for upcoming DNC debates. The poll looked at New Hampshire. Primary voters specifically Ed who are as I've already stipulated awesome. Quick methodology note. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus four point one percent on the democratic side. Okay so how does this poll help. Candidates qualify well. Buddha judge has officially qualified for December because this poll gives him his fourth result there. He is now qualified for both upcoming upcoming debates. It also gave Gabbard her second qualifying poll for November and it gave three candidates their first qualifying coals. For December. Those those are Gabbard Klobuchar and Yang. Those three candidates still need three more and then they are on that December stage the other headline coming out of this poll. Oh was it had sanders. I twenty one percent Warren second at eighteen percent and then Biden third fifteen percent. The next candidate down own was Buddha judge at ten percent but the headline there was Biden being in third place in a crucial early voting state. The last time this particular poll was conducted elected was back in July now back then. Biden was in the lead at twenty four percent with worn and sanders tied for second nineteen percent each which in nat July poll was actually within the margin of error of that poll. Now in yesterday's poll Biden is within the margin compared to warrant so. This is not exactly a moment of panic for his campaign and we will look for confirmation and other polls of the state and when I didn't made roughly zero headlines. But I'M GONNA mention any way. Hey is Joe SESTAK. As reported a few weeks ago. He recently walked the length of the state. He is now at one percent in this latest poll compared in two zero in previous polls so it looks like that walk probably helped him now. That poll I just mentioned also asked Republicans about their primary and though those results didn't make huge headlines. I thought I'd tell you about them here. The margin region of air on the Republican side is plus or minus four point six percent and again we are just talking about the awesome New Hampshire primary voters so obviously the most important question turn is which of the four declared candidates a given Republican says they would vote for president. Trump has eighty six percent of that group. Bill Bill Weld has five percent mark. Sanford has one percent and Joe Walsh also has one percent. Interestingly three percent of the group said they'd vote for somebody who wasn't listed and only four percent said they didn't know or were undecided. So yeah this was a tough result for the non trump candidates the only possible silver lining. There is that New Hampshire is not a winner take all State for Republicans that means that a candidate who wins a percentage of the vote can actually actually get some delegates going into the convention. Unfortunately that percentage is ten so at the moment. None of the three challengers would actually get any eight New Hampshire delegates at the convention. Two weeks ago Moody's analytics released released. Its twenty twenty presidential election model within this. They run three mathematical models for predicting whether a given presidential candidate will win the general election. They've been doing this since. Nineteen Eighty naven correct in every race except one and that race happens to be twenty sixteen under all three models. Moody's Moody's uses trump is projected to win in twenty twenty in some cases by a landslide. However there is a fair amount of hedging of predictive bets going on here let's briefly walk through the three moody models? I is the pocket book model which relies on various consumer goods prices including gasoline and housing plus changes which is an income for workers. Second is the stock market model which relies mainly on a forecast of how the S. and P. Five hundred is going to do and third is the unemployment employment model which mainly relies on the unemployment level now as with any projection. These models are all subject to change based on a variety of factors for instance. The model could just be wrong. Moody's actually points to this in their introduction saying that in two thousand sixteen their model may have failed because it doesn't consider or the nature of the actual candidates who are running at it noted that Clinton and trump were not what they consider and I quote generic candidates the two big factors. That could swing. This thing are the economy and voter turnout now. Moody's does attempt to predict both of these but they admit that sometimes that is tough to do new reading from the report quote. The top of the business cycle is a difficult place from which to forecast and the economic outlook is filled with substantially more uncertainty certainty than usual and quote. It goes on to suggest that if there is a moderate recession in the coming year Democrats win according to an average of the Moody's models models and then there's the matter of voter turnout reading again from the report quote under the assumption that the non incumbent share of turnout in Twenty Twenty County that is Democrats and independents where to match its historical maximum across all states only the Pocketbook model predicts a victory victory for trump. Under such a high turnout scenario the Democratic Party nominee would win handily under the stock market model and by the skin of their teeth under the unemployment employment model. An average of the three sets of model results suggests that if turnout of non incumbent voters twenty twenty matches the historical high. Hi Across states then Democrats would win a squeaker and quote so unusually high turnout or a downturn in the economy could flip the script ripped so if you're rooting for trump. Hope for a normal turn out and a stable economy if you're on the other side maybe don't root for a bad economy because that tends ends to harm people but maybe do work on voter turnout and and last today that Super Pac. We've been discussing since last week. That will support. Joe Biden has now officially been created. It is called unite the country and its treasure is Larry Larry Raschke now raspy also happens to have worked on two previous Biden presidential campaigns so he is a familiar face within the Biden world. Writing for politico. Oh Theodore Meyer and Maggie. Severin's added some context quote. The same SUPERPAC previously went by a different name for the people pack that it existed only briefly in April shortly before Biden launched his run for president at the time Matt Tompkins Democratic fundraiser. told the Hill. You won't win in two thousand nine hundred twenty by unilaterally disarming but Biden senior adviser. Keep betting field shut down for the people packs buzz when she replied to a tweet about the group group with a brief statement. Joe Biden does not welcome support from Super Pacs for the people. Pack went quiet shortly afterward and never reported raising or spending money the filing for unite the country which was first reported by Bloomberg News marks the official beginning of an outside effort to boost the former vice president a move that could raise and spend unlimited sums of money and give the cash-strapped campaign a boost and quote. There's actually quite a bit more in that politico story about who rask. He is as he's been involved in Biden campaigns for a long long time so lincoln the show notes as always check head out if you are curious well that is it for one more episode of the election ride home. I have been your host Chris Higgins you can always I find me on twitter at Chris Higgins okay so we got a lot of feedback about the Robert. Caro books and part of me was filled with that odd feeling and I feel like there might be a German word for this. Yes I feel like this is something. I'm forgetting that feeling when you finish a book that you have both completed something but you also feel a sense of loss because there is no more book to to be had and that's kind of how I felt at the end of this book working by Robert Caro and that is by far his shortest book so my wife had some leftover audiobook the credits for audible so I looked up the power broker and it is sixty six hours long and you know what I clicked it. I downloaded it. I have not yet begun gun my sixty six hour odyssey might need to sign up for some time on like a container ship or something to make the mental space for all of that but still it beckons
Moderate Democrats trying to recruit Justin Amash as an impeachment manager
"Good Morning I'm James. Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily for Monday December sixteenth in today's news in a striking turnaround the. US economy is now free of recession fears before the twenty two thousand election the UN's global climate talks end with a thud. Participants are leading Madrid with hard feelings and few results and hallmark changes course after pulling wedding ads that showed brides kissing but first the big idea. The campaign is underway to draft congressman. Justin Amash as an impeachment humint manager in the Senate trial of president trump. A marshes from grand rapids Michigan. He's one of the most conservative or really libertarian members of the house he he left the Republican Party on July fourth to become an independent after endorsing trump's impeachment. A group of Thirty Freshman Democrats led by Dean Phillips from from the twin cities in Minnesota has asked House leaders to consider a marsh for the small group tasked with arguing its case for removing trump trump in the upper chamber. The thinking is that Amash would reach conservative. Voters in a way. Democrats can't potentially bolstering their case to the public he also would provide vied Democrats cover from GOP accusations that they're pursuing a partisan process house speaker. Nancy Pelosi ultimately makes the call and she's expected to announce the managers early. This week didn't respond to our request for comment about whether he'd accept such a position but Phillips who's been in touch with the mosh about the idea said that the lawmaker has agreed to consider it. If Pelosi asks the move would be an orthodox but not entirely unprecedented. Pelosi chose a five-member bipartisan group from the House. Judiciary Committee to oversee the impeachment of eight corrupt federal judge about a decade ago. Still Most Democrats. We talked to predict that impeachment. Managers will hail from. I'm their own party and be steeped in. The evidence gathered by the House. Intelligence in judiciary panels a mosh is not on either committee. Will Most Democrats would fall in line on with her strategy in the Senate should be something of a wild card given his lack of loyalty to the Democratic Party however Democrats who were supportive of the idea a group that includes the conservative blue dogs but also some of the most liberal members say. That's exactly my Palooza. Should pick him. They applaud him for his courage in standing up to his own party. Bhalla Mosh Wasn't part of the House. Investigative Process. He is a former practicing lawyer known for his strict interpretations of the Constitution and he's very well versed in the writings of the founding fathers these discussions about a mosher particularly timely given the news that Jeff van drew a moderate Democratic Freshman Congressman from New Jersey. Easy is expected to change parties in part at a frustration with his own colleagues for pursuing what he calls a divisive impeachment based on hearsay. Republicans are already salivating at the prospect of holding up the soon to be former Democrat as a prime example that the party has overreached with impeachment is repelling moderate Americans five of injuries. Staffers sent a joint letter of resignation. On Sunday and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee said the committee will hire any staffer who who quits fan drew's office then drew. Who has been his? Party's most vocal. Opponent of impeachment made the decision to leave after a personal meeting with trump trump on Friday the congressman then begin informing his staff that he was going to do it but he didn't want the information to become public until this week but the news leaked predictably doubly on Saturday. And here's a headline. You probably didn't see coming or maybe you did. Trump went after Pelosi's teeth heath on twitter last night. The president suggested that the speaker has dentures. There's no evidence that she does and he said her teeth were falling out as she answered a reporter's question region last week about why bribery was not one of the articles of impeachment. The video that trump tweeted shows that just before answering reporter's question Polisi moved her mouth slightly early and took a sip of water but her teeth didn't appear out of place in her speech was not interrupted. Policies Office didn't immediately offer a comment about the president's tweet but the speaker in a bipartisan group of lawmakers have been busy they were marking the second day of a trip overseas to commemorate the seventy fifth anniversary of the battle of the bulge. Meanwhile over in the Senate Democratic Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called for subpoenaing several senior trump administration officials who have refused fused testify in the houses impeachment inquiry. He wants them as witnesses. For the Senate trial in a letter to Mitch. McConnell Schumer outlined a number of procedural demands Democrats say they'll make back to ensure that the Senate trial is fair and that it can be completed within a reasonable period of time that includes subpoenas for Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Robert Blair a senior adviser suitable vein former national security adviser John Bolton and Michael Duffy a top official at the office of Management and budget who was involved in freezing the Ukraine and until recently was the the executive director of the Wisconsin Republican Party Mulvaney Blair in Duffy have been subpoenaed by House committees and defied. The Summons Bolton has not been subpoenaed but indicated indicated. He would fight one in court. Under sure's proposal the trial proceedings would begin on January sixth. Although Chief Justice John Roberts who will preside over the trial on the senators wouldn't be sworn warning as jurors until January seventh then house impeachment managers will begin their presentations on January ninth. The proposal on witnesses is certain drawl resistance from McConnell the top Senate Republican would prefer not to call the type of high wattage witnesses that trump has demanded such as hunter Biden or the whistle blower whose complaint triggered this whole inquiry and McConnell weren't privately that a battle over witnesses would lead to what he calls mutually assured destruction. She were proposes allowing up to eight eight hours of testimony and questioning per witness. McConnell and Schumer are set to meet this week to hash out the scope of the Senate trial and Schumer's proposal. Missile came after the Sunday shows which Democrats ramped up their criticism of McConnell for declaring that he is working quote in total coordination with the White House to protect trump and a new fox. News poll released on Sunday. Shows that fifty percent of Americans want trump impeached and removed from office will forty one percent believe he should not be impeach according to the poll while eighty five percent of Democrats favor impeachment and removal eighty four percent of Republicans. Do not but there's a new high in support for impeachment among independence dependence forty five percent favorite now compared to thirty eight percent in Fox's previous poll and that's the big idea here are three other or headlines that should be on your radar as we start the week number one the. US economy is heading into twenty twenty at a pace of steady and sustained growth after a series of interest rate cuts in the apparent resolution of to trade related. Threats mostly eliminated the risk of a recession. This marks a dramatic dramatic turnaround in momentum since August when some forecasters predicted fifty percent chance of a downturn starting by the end of next year many economists credit the Federal Reserve's interest rate reductions and the slightly improved trade picture for propelling the stock market to fresh record highs and causing forecasters to bump up their predictions. For how long the economy we can keep growing and adding jobs. Without stumbling trump secure democratic sign off last week on the new trade deal with Mexico and Canada that will keep most goods traded between the three nations tariff-free free he also reached a limited trade agreement with China that scrapped hefty tariffs that were set to go into effect over the weekend in exchange for China agreed by about two hundred billion dollars more in US goods goods over the next two years. The trade deals will not as ambitious as what trump promised have lessened. One of the biggest drags on the US economy and that in a word is uncertainty certainty. Larry cudlow trump's top economic advisor told The Washington Post on Sunday that tariffs will be much more stable for quite a while now Carlos even predicting three percent economic economic growth next year a pace that trump has promised voters but the US hasn't reached since two thousand five and almost no forecasters outside the White House. Say It's feasible. US Trade Representative tentative. Bob Lighthizer also said Sunday that some of the larger scale structural changes. The White House wants China to make could take years to accomplish lighthizer. Comments comments reinforced the belief that the White House is going to scale back. Some of its more adversarial tactics against China next year trump approaches reelection number two after more than two weeks of negotiations punctuated by raucous protests and constant reminders of the need to move faster negotiators at the. UN's climate conference in. Spain barely mustered enough enthusiasm for a bland compromise resolution that they patched together. Well well raising grievances about the issues that remain unresolved delegates from nearly two hundred nations wrestled for more than four hours passed their plan deadline making these the longest in the twenty five year history of the climate talks as officials scramble to finalize a complex set of rules to implement the Twenty Fifteen Paris. This climate accord which the US has pulled out of a handful of higher emitting countries that are still in the agreement squared off against smaller more vulnerable countries. Negotiators were at loggerheads. Auger heads while crafting rules around fair and transparent global carbon trading system. So they punted the issue to talk about it. More next year fights also dragged dragged on about how to provide funding to poorer nations already coping with rising seas crippling droughts and other consequences of climate change number three. The hallmark channel took down a wedding planning companies commercials featuring two brides kissing after a conservative group. Objected objected. The network then changed course after it was heavily criticised all weekend for that decision the TV network known for its annual lineup of holiday. Movies was pulling doing. Four of six commercials depicting couples. WHO said they wished they had turned Zola's services for their big day? The rationale given Thursday the email to Zola representatives. Was that their ads were too controversial. Zola announced it would stop advertising altogether with hallmark pulling the noncontroversial ads by Sunday night. The owner of the Hallmark Channel backtracked and issued a public apology for quote. Hurt and disappointment that it is unintentionally caused the company said it will reinstate commercials were reporter with Zola and enlist the help of a nonprofit to improve its representation of the LGBTQ Cq community on the hallmark channel. And that's the daily to Oh to for Monday December sixteenth. Thanks for listening. I'm James. We'll talk to you tomorrow. If you want to get more news about the impeachment process you can subscribe to a podcast feed from the Washington Post with all our updates in one place including the latest from the daily to of twos big idea. Can he do that and post reports. Find It. Washington Post Dot com slash podcasts.
Week Ahead: Where's The Impeachment Inquiry Headed Next?
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I'm Meghna Talker Bardy and this is on point a new week brings preparations for a new stage in the house impeachment inquiry Congress technically on recess but house investigators have a full lineup of depositions including maybe ousted former national security security advisor John Bolton the whistle blower offers to answer written questions from House Republicans but remains anonymous much to the president's deep Chagrin plus the Democratic Democratic field for twenty twenty narrows casualties mount in Syria and popular protests continue around the world at this hour on point top reporters guide us through another big week in the news and you can join us how did the house impeachment inquiry vote last week change your thinking on the preceding so far do you think this week's depositions if any of them actually happen will clarify things are you ready for the house to open the door on public hearings join US anytime on twitter twitter facebook at one point radio or on our website on radio DOT ORG as well we'll joining us now from Washington is Darlene Super Ville White House House correspondent for the Associated Press Darlene welcome back to the point thanks for having me on also with us from Washington as well as lenders Washington correspondent for Vice News lose it's it's good to have you great to be joining thanks and Nick Schifrin joins us from Arlington Virginia Nick is PBS Newshour Foreign Affairs and defence correspondent mic. It's good to have you back as well well thanks very much and a little later this hour we will be hearing from Democratic Congressman Roger Krishnamurthy of Illinois but Darlene. Let me just first start start with you it looks like the White House of the strategy that they're putting forth is basically no cooperation no witnesses at all is that what we have set for us this week yes that would appear to be what is on tap for this week there are a number of witnesses that are scheduled to appear this week starting starting today there are two officials from the National Security National Security Council on tap for today also too from the Office of Management and budget Energy Secretary Rick Perry is expected or was invited to to appear later this week House Democrats also WanNa talk to John John Bolton who is the former national security advisor to President Donald Trump none of those officials are expected to appear in fact secretary Kerry's office I said last week that he would not participate in this John Bolton's attorney has said that he will not appear voluntarily only under if subpoenaed if ordered are to appear and the four officials who are on tap today are not expected to appear and one of those officials is the NFC attorney who some some of the officials who have already testified approached with their concerns about the July twenty fifth telephone conversation that President Trump had with the leader of Ukraine And the White House has already you know weeks ago laid out that they will not cooperate with this process deeming it on fair saying that the president is doesn't have any to process so and so forth and and that is what what what you will see again this week we'll lose lenders darling pointing out John Eisenberg that's the White House legal adviser she was talking about who Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vitamin is is is said to have a testified that Eisenberg told him just to sort of underscored Darlene said not to talk about his concerns about that phone call he's almost certainly certainly not going to to appear as summoned I mean what what are the implications of of of that and and the complete stonewalling that we see here from the White House right well it completely breaks with precedent and I think that we keep seeing this over and over in many ways with this White House but they're refusing to cooperate and and this says not happened before in the past even Nixon and during Clinton years during those impeachment proceedings there were tons of documents turnover dover and chiefs of staff who testified so yes this is a complete stonewalling that this White House has taken but I will say that when you talk to Democrats rats on the hill they feel like even if these people do not come forward this week this se lawyer Robert Blair some of these people who are defying subpoenas they still feel that their case is being made to the public there are these opening testimonies that have become public we saw that from Bill Taylor and also from Finland as well and Democrats that that I've been talking to on the hill thank you know even if these other White House officials and NFC officials refused to come testify their case is still being built and they're still gathering the evidence that they think they need to impeach impeach the president Well Nick Schifrin we see from a House Republicans this continuing assertion or insistence that this is so far I've been in a non-transparent process I mean a House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy just this morning was was on twitter saying quote Democrats voted for an impeachment inquiry that they claim would provide transparency and due process but they're right back at it behind closed doors in the Ba- behind closed doors in the basement of the capital now I mean technically there are Republicans on these committees who can attend all of these depositions but what do you make of this continuing insist by House Republicans at the process is not transparent why think they've found a couple of arguments that they feel fit and work well with their base and the president is this is largely supportive of that or behind some of those messaging you know it started as well this is only second hand information the problem is that that lieutenant colonel of inman as was mentioned before had had firsthand accounts and they said well no pressure was applied on Ukraine but then they released a a partial transcript and obviously the president did apply a little pressure on Ukraine then they said well aid was delayed but not for Biden every step of the way they've they've created rated message thrown against the wall and it's Kinda fallen off until they hit this process argument and this is the one that has hit most consistently that this is behind closed doors now what stopped that argument of course is the vote to move toward public hearings into released transcripts but here we are on Monday morning a a few days after Democrats voted to go public with this effort and we still have closed door depositions going on Democrats say this is still part of the process there are quite a few view people they still want to hear from not only the people we've mentioned already but also people close to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo the counselor at the State Department and the Under Secretary of the state for political affairs or both scheduled for Wednesday but Republicans say hey look you're still doing this close-door depositions this isn't a real process we deserve to have this public and of course you see the president leading that message in which they believe is working now Democrats seem seem to be saying that open hearings could begin next week we'll have to see see but let's just listen to what's White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said when she was on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace yesterday talking about whether the White House will cooperate at all with the impeachment inquiry and here you'll hear Kellyanne Conway talking about whether the president will stop stop former national security adviser John Bolton from testifying well ambassador Bolton publicly and his lawyer said he's not sure he'll appear that has nothing to do with the president he's not sure the president the I'm not sure the president has talked to Ambassador Bolton but we as a as a White House will continue to exert executive privilege we're here we feel that it is necessary that the House vote doesn't make a difference in terms of a flawed process somehow becoming open been and transparent and they should have done this from the beginning Darlene. Help US understand is this is this Kellyanne Conway following what Nick was saying this this what they've found to be perhaps a successful line of attack you're on transparency or or what what exactly she saying I think it strikes me as is a little bit of both right you had transparency argument everything is going on behind closed stores and then you have flaw makers leaking in view of the White House host portions of testimony that amplified they're part of the story the President I think it was yesterday when he was returning from from a weekend in New York City was asked the question about Bolton and whether he would try to keep him from testifying and his response was that that was up up to John Bolton and his attorneys that of course remains to be seen because as Kelly and Conway said in the clip that you just played the White House is still still very much interested in exerting executive privilege wherever they can and Bolton was obviously a very close advisor to the president and I I could certainly see the president and the White House telling Mr Bolton Ambassador Bolton don't go to the hill lose your thoughts on that well I I think that if Bolton appears before Congress which by the way it sounds like he might his his lawyer has been Dan kind of coy but said that he might appear if he has subpoenaed well it turns out that basically all of these witnesses have been subpoenaed the morning of I believe today Robert Blair was subpoenaed just this morning as well he was supposed to be one of the people who is supposed to appear today so if they do get Bolton and a chair our Bolton is key to all of this right I mean we saw in the Bill Taylor testimony that Bolton's name is littered throughout that and you you know he was very close with president trump and it seems the way that the White House is reacting to this that they are nervous that the president is nervous about what Boulton Bolton may reveal to Congress and it could be beyond this Ukraine call remember that I mean there are so many calls that would have been on that he may reveal something saying to Congress that we don't even know about Well Nick we've just got about a minute here before we have to take a break you just a couple of days ago you spoke with Adam chef with Congressman Adam Schiff what insight did he give you about the next steps at the house might take so Adam Schiff told me that he would try and release transcripts or the House Committee he will she chairs trying to release transcripts early this week and and he has since said that other reporters and his aides have said the same thing so they're on the record having to release these transcription just to make a quick point about the transcript so as we see them presumably not in full release but presumably in drips and drabs starting over over the next couple of days is that both sides will cherry pick them Democrats will obviously point to the excerpts that say that the president put pressure on on new a new president Ukraine let them use Alinsky Republicans will cite examples where they feel like the president did nothing wrong and and these transcripts will be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages and so we'll have to sit sift through them and that'll take quite awhile schifrin Liz lenders and Darlene Super Ville standby here for second we're talking about what to expect in get another big week in the news we'll be right back this is on point Gal Support Ron Point and the following message come from MIT's system design and management jointly offered by Mit School of Engineering and the MIT's Sloan School of Management Earn a Master's in engineering and land-management SDN educates mid career professionals to lead effectively and creatively by using systems thinking to solve large scale complex challenges in product design development and innovation using MIT's most advanced information and communication technologies join a virtual info session on Wednesday November number six from 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Intelligence Committee as well joining us today from Washington Congressman Welcome to on Point High Magna so first of all let's just pick a couple of Nick Schifrin left us off before the break here because maybe you can provide us more up to date answer when do you expect the House Intelligence Committee to release transcripts from depositions Titians that you've already taken well I think the chairman Schiff had told various folks in the media that he planned to do it this week so I I expect that to happen as you know there are a lot of witnesses that actually came forward to our surprise defying White House orders not to cooperate and gave extensive testimony sometimes upwards of ten eleven hours of testimony so I I I think that the staff will have to go through and and redecked you know for sensitive or other information that should not be publicly released but otherwise I expect maximum transparency. ESPN transcripts very shortly do you feel and does the committee feel a sense of urgency around this because as you well know Republican members of the House and the administration the Ministry and the administration as well have been consistently saying that they believe this whole process has not been transparent I think has been a really Bogus argument ah I'll just tell you what's happened in these clothes proceedings you know more than forty Republicans have actually been able to participate they've been able to question witnesses for the same amount of time the Democrats have and they've been able to question Emma as to any topic that they want and they've been able to offer opening statements they've taken the advantage of all those things so to say that that's an unfair as really unfounded but all that being said chairmanship wants to bring maximum transparency to these proceedings seatings we took a vote that allows for the transcripts to be released and so that's what's GonNa Happen this week say if it if it'd be Tuesday Wednesday Thursday I'm not sure I think it's more of a logistical thing right now than anything else and then do you have any further information about when we might see the beginning of public hearings I don't have a date Magna I think that Speaker Pelosi has made it clear that it's going to happen in short order again I think that it's a A matter of logistics and the calendar and making sure that witnesses are available on certain days more than anything else but I just WANNA say the people that you know hopefully will appear for these public proceedings the same ones that we questioned in the skiff the underground I guess bunker beneath the capital are you know members of the administration their career public servants apolitical and I would say are there really to be commended because they came forward sticking their next on the line their careers on the line coming at expense to themselves hiring their own attorneys to to tell the truth and I think that people will be be very impressed with the caliber of witnesses that they see publicly so congressman based on what you've heard so far and the public is already seen at least some of the opening statements from some of these witnesses Lieutenant Colonel Veneman Women Bill Taylor as well do you believe the house has a case so far or already for impeachment impeachment so I don't I want to withhold judgment on the ultimate question of impeachment because I I want to wait for all the evidence to come in and we're still we still yet to see everyone in public as well that being said there's mounting evidence of serious misconduct that took place surrounding the July I twenty fifth phone call from President Trump to presidents Alinsky and and they're at least two serious episodes of misconduct here one and merely requesting foreign assistance with domestic election efforts is illegal in and of itself but on top of that to US news security assistance to the Ukraine as well as the prospect of a White House meeting to pressure them you know adds to the misconduct and I think there's evidence of all of the above and that's extremely disturbing at this point well actually congressman let me just take a quick call here let me go to Marc Eric who's calling from Madison Wisconsin Mark you're on the Air Hi Magnolia love your show I want to know why hasn't the house with the people who have not responded to the subpoenas why hasn't the house indicted I did them in either jail or find them or else filed and obstruction of justice against the White House it seems like trump's people can flaunt the rule of law and get away with Mark Thank thank you for your call this question keeps coming up again and again so congressman Kushner Murthy response for mark sure thank you for the question you know anybody anybody who is not complying with the subpoena is basically going to be figuring into charges as a potential obstruction of the inquiry and any evidence that's withheld whether it's testimony or documents would be considered corroborative of the underlying complaint especially by the whistle blower but now we've seen a number of other claims come forward to there are other remedies as well but what's interesting interesting to me magna among other things that I think those particular the treatment of these witnesses and others who don't comply subpoenas I think has really encouraged a lot of others to come forward so that's that's I think very interesting to me what's the one question that you want the answer to more than anything I think that we've we've seen a lot of evidence with regard to the security assistance to Ukraine as well as the White House meeting being withheld for purposes of have you know investigating the president's political operatives I'm political initiatives and I think that I wanna hear from more people about what they saw heard and who directed these particular episodes I wanna see more evidence of that because we need to fully flush it out and hold everyone accountable who may have participated in the misconduct we can't end this by just holding one or two people bowl accountable if the if the misconduct actually occurred and then others to go off Scot free that would be really bad because we would send the wrong message pitch to those who actually participated that they can get away with it and then from very practical standpoint we can't allow allow them to continue with that misconduct going forward so we need to know the full outlines of what's happened well Congressman Roger Kushner Murthy Democrat from Illinois member of the House Intelligence Committee Congressman Awesome. Thank you so much for joining US thank you MAGNA Darlene Super Ville White House correspondent for the Associated Press anything that you heard the congressman say that sort of makes you wonder what my about what might happen this week or in the coming weeks I think a key thing for this week will be when the transcripts start coming out out and you know nick was talking about that earlier it's going to be volumes and volumes of pages and you're going to see both sides the Republicans and Democrats try to Cherry pick doc and you know use whatever they find to their advantage and it's GonNa take reporters like us three and all of our colleagues hours and hours to sift through all of those pages remember some of these many of these depositions lasted nine hours ten hours so it's going to be a lot of paper to go through and then then also wants the transcripts do come out the reaction from the White House and from the president himself to You know what we see these witnesses has said right so liz landers speaking of the President I mean he's been focused a lot on the whistle blower I mean he's he's sort of taken his twitter shots at at other people who testified so far but there's this unrelenting focus on on the whistle blower who's who's attorney says that now the whistle blower will offer to answer written in questions but that's not good enough for the president he just tweeted today that he believes the whistle blower ought to be compelled to testify he seems completely consumed with us right now and you're right right he's been tweeting about it he tweeted about it you know probably ten times this past weekend he's been answering questions about it as he's coming to and from New York and there was a reporter yesterday who even asked the president if he was thinking about naming the whistle blower and revealing that person's identity which is supposed post be protected of course that is the point of being a whistleblower you have protection to remain anonymous in the president did not say no when he was asked that question which that really stuck out to me and I think that you see Republicans right now who are also very hung up on this idea of the whistle blower as well Oh and who that person's identity is and whether they have political leanings and affiliations I think that there are some claims that have been made I think they're unfounded at this point that the whistle blower has political ties to candidate But this is clearly I think we're going to keep seeing this as part of the messaging for this next phase when this becomes a public impeachment inquiry and it's not behind closed doors I think we're GonNa see this a lot from Republicans bookends well in fact the president said very recently that he's even he's even calling on members of the media reporters to name name the whistle blower were he believes some members of the Washington media do know who it is here is the president just yesterday on the South Lawn at the White House they know they know who it is you know you just don't WanNA report it. CNN does do it is but you don't want to report it the way and you know you'd be doing the public acerbic Arbizu to whistle blower gave a four three four Nick Schifrin it first of all just it seems as if much of what we've already heard from or know of testimony the money that's been given actually supports verifies the whistle blowers report just wanted to point that out but in normal times even whoa someone calling for whistle blowers identity to be revealed I mean I've seen critics of the president say that just in and of itself that ought to be an impeachable offense but the president just said it I mean what do you think about his focus here on on the whistle blower magnetic if these were normal times be talking about different things every day for the last couple of years I'd say so look there are a lot of reports suggested of the whistle blowers name And we do you know a a few details about this person and yes a lot of media members are are not reporting those details because as lists suggested and it is federal law that protects whistleblowers identity now that said of course the the fact that some conservative media outlets are printing nineteen A person's name means that we've all asked him this person's lawyers and the lawyers simply refused to confirm or deny so you know th that's that's where we are in terms of the whistle blowers identity at at this point but the president will continue to make the argument and I think that depending on which details of the whistle blower come out the argument will be associated based on the timing of this person's appointments to the agencies he's that that this person has worked and that will be somehow a sign of political leaning and and of course what historically if you call it in normal times times we have believed is that this person is in the intelligence community you know intelligence officials whether they are appointed under a Democrat Democratic president or Republican president does not matter they serve the higher purpose if you will of analyzing intelligence and so that argument has largely been lost and and probably will continue to be lost given that Republicans on the three committees that are questioning witnesses right now demand a lot more as as we've been saying then just the written statements that the whistle blows attorneys vow or or or or offering to provide they are calling for some kind of public testimony even though as you point out magna that the whistleblower did not have firsthand account firsthand knowledge of the phone call and we have now heard from half a dozen at least officials behind closed doors who have had first-hand knowledge who have corroborated much of what the whistle blower Believe that that that had happened well let's go back to our callers let's go to Aaron calling from from Omaha Nebraska Aaron you're on the Air Hi Magna my question I guess is sort of along the lines lines of what you guys were just talking about a mind is still trying to bring everything back into the normal times and it is I can't quite understand what the I guess legal or even a rational sort of justification there is from wanting to see who the whistle blower doc is especially given the fact as you guys have stated that we have so many witnesses first hand witnesses who corroborated what the whistle blower brought out so how is it that the Republicans and the president himself and the president's supporters what justification are they trying to give other than kind of a witch hunt and wanting to get at his political enemies outside of that is there any good reason for us meeting to know who the whistle blower or is right well Aaron thank you so much for your call and Darlene let me turn back to you on this because just as Nick said there's federal law protecting whistleblowers so oh there's really no legal justification but I think nick was getting to this where when you said really it's a political question and ultimately in the biggest picture so is impeachment it's a political question so this this is we're seeing pub continuation of a strategy here from the president and from the White House Darlene right and I thank the caller for the question I would just say that we have seen this playbook before right this is an attempt by I president trump and his Republican allies in Congress to basically try to discredit the whistle blower every day when the president student gets a speech he does a rally he talks to reporters going and coming from the White House his comment always that he had a perfect call with Ukraine's leader he did nothing wrong the whistle blower got it wrong it's an attempt it's another attempt to sort of discredit the witness and we saw this for the past two years during the Russia investigation that was led by special counsel Robert Muller there was a daily attempt by the president through tweets and public comments to undermine that investigation and I think that's the same thing that we're seeing right here of course the point has been made excuse me that at this point the whistle blower does seem irrelevant because we have had testimony from so many people who actually listened in on the call the whistle blower said that he had secondhand information he was not on the call we have had a few you people testify who were on the call so it would it would seem to make the whistle blower a little bit irrelevant but nevertheless it is just another attempt by the White House the president and his allies in Congress to discredit this individual right and Darlene as you said it's an it's an age old device used by defense attorneys in virtually every case to discredit a witness exactly when we will come back we'll talk about what's happening on the on the Senate side of things regarding guarding the views on the impeachment inquiry and also the effect all of this is having on the twenty twenty presidential race will briefly touch down a little bit of international news news as well we'll be right back 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This is on point I'm Meghna Chakrabarti were talking with the roundtable of top reporters today about what's going to be another big week in the news we already know that several people who who have been subpoenaed to provide positions to the house impeachment inquiry investigation are likely not going to show up that's just one of the many big stories also what effect is all of this having on the twenty twenty presidential race we're joined today by Darlene Super Bowl she is White House correspondent for the Associated Press Liz landers is with us she's White House correspondent for Vice News and Nick Schifrin also joins us he's foreign affairs and defence correspondent for PBS. Newshour now everyone I just wanted to get your quick takes on how Senate Republicans are sort of crafting their their messaging in this in this moment now because I think we were seeing a move towards perhaps acknowledging that some kind of conversations some kind of quid pro quo may have happened between President Donald Trump and the Ukrainian president but with that Senate Republicans are saying it's not necessarily wrong to do that I mean here's House Minority Whip Steve Scalise Republican from Louisiana of course on the house side here so not the Senate forgive me on the House side he was on with George Stephanopoulos host of ABC's this week talking about the appropriateness of the president's interactions here scalise here's responding to Stephanopolous multiple attempts to ask whether or not it was right for the president to do see what he did that wasn't first of all about political opponents the Law George requires president trump or any president when they're sending foreign aid taxpayer money to another country three to I ensure that that country's rooting out corruption he ends Alinsky we're talking about that on the phone call the Democrat since he raised were crowd strike in two thousand sixteen involving the Democrats Burris Min two thousand seventeen and eighteen involving a Joe Biden and again it's just a very simple question do you think it's appropriate for the president to ask the Ukrainians or the Chinese which is also done in public to investigate his domestic political opponents and the interview actually goes on and Stephanopoulos asks scalise a couple more times about the appropriateness and congressman scalise continued to deny that the Ukraine call was about the president's political opponents opponents at all so liz landers what do you see here in in in what GOP members are saying I have experienced a contrast between between what the House Republicans are saying and what the Senate Republicans are saying I think House members that I speak with are going along the lines of what you heard from squeezer saying there is absolutely no quid pro quo the president didn't do anything wrong and basically saying that there's no there are there when you talk with members of the Senate and I thought that this was so interesting from Lindsey Graham about two weeks ago Graham is one of president trump's biggest defenders on the hill he held a press conference about the houses handling of the impeachment inquiry and Graham said look the president isn't perfect and I think that there are members of the Republican Party in the Senate who acknowledged that they would not have had that phone call and conducted themselves selves that way on a call with Ukraine but do not think that it's an impeachable offense and I think that you know with the Senate coming as the jury in this impeachment each month process that they are trying to right now sort of you know stay a little bit of an arm's distance away from this I don't think that a lot of Senate Republicans want to comment met on this and they are talking about the process as why they don't want to comment on it but I do think that they are more willing to say yes this is not something I would have done but it's not impeachable well let's go to Greg who's got a question about exactly this calling from Omaha Nebraska Greg you're on the Air Hello Oh thanks for taking my call yeah I think this has been an peachable fan but my take on the whole thing is is the Republicans and get remember to Democrats but I know they're in every Republican area where they're from and they voted against it and my take is they're trying to appease their base because their basis against it the impeachment and I think they're just looking at votes and my thinking that they do that the Democrats the need to bring this up I don't care what the Republicans do they need to go forward with this because if they don't then I mean why have a government Well Greg thank you for your call a Nikki one responded Greg yes a Greg's talking about Colin Peterson and Jeff Andrew drew to Democrats and he's right from republican-leaning districts who broke with their party an and voted against voted against the Thursday vote hello to proceed toward public airings I let me just make two points we are all looking at this through both legal and in political lens but but it's clear from the constitution that this is a political question you know and and go back to your question to the Congress men about what happens happens when people do not show up the response was well this'll be part of our obstruction case so so this is not a question of criminality or or or legal google question that this this is a real political question and then secondly you know it it's just not clear right now what message is going to stick I I think that as we've been talking about before the messaging from the Republicans and the President have been multiple all the way from you know the whistle blower only a second hand information to the criticisms of the process and now we get to a phase which is what Liz was was referring to which is look this call might have been problematic but it's is not an impeachable offense which is what the caller said and so that is the message that is seems probably going to take hold over the next couple of weeks but as as we talked about for the Democrats still have or the the intelligence committee is still leading these close-door depositions and so the argument that this is still closed door will remain at least for another week so I think that you know all of these messages will continue to go on but we do have to remember that ultimately this is a political decision it is a political vote and what we expect is is if the House house does vote for impeachment mostly if not all along party lines the Senate is likely not to convict the president again along party lines which just reinforces enforces that this is a political question criminal right well let's go to Philip who's calling from Westfield Wisconsin Philip you're on the air hi just got a comment I like you know if you're a national public radio I don't understand why is thing is so skewed one direction all your comments all your guests that you have on it you know I used to love your programming I gotTa tell you so this getting old oh real old for me well like non stop attack on the president of the United States there's things that he says I don't really care care for either but I'm GonNa tell you something I I really think you're doing yourself at this service it's national public radio if you guys are only GonNa have guests on the look at one side of the state what about all the goodies done well on here for a second so just I just want to say that we have three reporters here who aren't taking aside they're simply reporting the facts as we know them so far in the IMP impeachment inquiry and what members of Congress have told them they're doing their jobs as a reporter but as reporters but what are you what are you saying here I mean do you do you not want to hear about the details of the impeachment inquiry anymore and if not why not you're saying facts as we know them you're saying faxes they're being reported and you're not getting no you only you're only putting on air one side of this thing what what is so the would be the other side I mean we we regularly request Republican members of Congress Congress to join us on the show all the time I can't compel them to come on the air I really wish they would I I really think you're doing the country just
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"It's Monday December sixteenth. I'm Akilah Hughes. I'm Gideon Resnick. And this is what a day. The Office Party. That was too fun of Daily News. podcasts my throat hurts literally can't talk right now shows over folks on today's show the latest impeachment and then some headlines but verse. It's is to be weak for Democrats. Welcome back to the twenty twenty Democratic presidential primary where everyone is once again. Having a debate about debates there were two big developments in the the past few days on the topic of when where and how all the candidates will debate each other before the first votes are cast. The first development is about an ongoing labor dispute at the site of the next debate in Los Angeles on Thursday in the second is about how the DNC should structure next year's debates and qualifying criteria. Getting let's start with this week's debate that scheduled for Thursday his day in La. Let's do it so basically what happened is on Friday Senator Elizabeth Warren followed closely by Senator Bernie. Sanders tweeted that they would not participate in this Thursday Databa- at Loyola Marymount in Los Angeles. If it meant that they were crossing a picket line. Okay so the backstory here is that workers represented by unite here. Local eleven have been picketing eating since November. And they're in an ongoing labor dispute with sodexo which employs more than one hundred fifty service workers at the university and also recently according to the the unions co-president just cancelled contribution. So that's sort of why this is still going on and after those two senators said that they'd risk skipping the debate in order to make sure sure they're not crossing the picket line. This happening all the other candidates they were supposed to go also said the same thing. Yeah which makes sense. Yeah you want to be the one asshole standing there like I actually don't care everybody but what you're saying. Is We get to go home early on Thursday now because the debates not going to happen we'll see about that the position from the Democratic National Committee. Right now how is that they're working on it They obviously have limited time span to figure it out Chairman Tom Perez said that he didn't WanNa cross the picket line The other interesting thing about Peres's position is that he was former Labor secretary so this is kind of his wheelhouse. You'd think to be able to figure this out and the crazy thing is this isn't the first assigned. There was a labor dispute that has impacted one of these debates. And it's not even the first time that that's happened for this specific one before this debate was scheduled it was supposed to be at UCLA. A separate labor dispute got it moved to here. And that's all to say that it's interesting that the issues that often come up in the campaign are are manifesting themselves in real time. Yeah got it so I think the natural resolution here is to host a what a day debate with all the candidates. I agree. Yeah we would like to formally invite the qualifying presidential candidates to join us for our inaugural WAD debates. Probably you gotta get that. The budget approved. We're GONNA do it. It's Thursday probably need to get some cameras in here. That could properly show the crease in everyone's faces an hd standing-room-only no parking validation. Let's move on from the possible December debate at Loyola Marymount. Maybe hopefully one day one right here in the studio talk about the ones that are coming up in January and February. Yeah so over the weekend. Senator Cory Booker's campaign circulated a letter asking the Democratic National Committee to reconsider its debate obey criteria for next year. This obviously comes. After booker failed to make Thursdays debate and after Andrew Yang was the only candidate of color to qualify Senator Kamala Harris did qualify. But as we all know she dropped out so what happened after that letter was drafted. Yes so all. The other candidates got on board pretty quickly and basically what Booker's campaign was saying saying well what they're asking the. DNC is that they want to go back to the qualifications that they had earlier in two thousand eighteen. which was you can either have donors that help you? You get into the bay or you can have polls that help you get into the debate. But you don't necessarily need both The most recent ones have required the candidates have two hundred thousand unique donors and at least four poll showing them with at least four percent in the early state or national polls and so this is an easy tack booker to take because he has the donors. It doesn't have the polling numbers. I spoke with his campaign manager. A DC domes- on Sunday about all this and he said quote. There's just not enough time now to potentially qualify. If the criteria criteria were the same and the other that he made in that conversation was they don't really have control over who is pulling what and when and if they're not seeing seeing that stuff come in as they haven't been for the last you know fifteen to twenty to thirty days in this qualifying period. Then they're kind of at a point where it's like well. We can't hit those numbers you want us to hit if we're not seeing the polls yeah good point so given that a lot of the other candidates got on board with Booker's proposal. You know what we think is the DNC actually going to go back to the old criteria. Or we're just going to be stuck with the same. I kind of think that they're not going to And I mean Peres told The New York Times that at least for the next debate in January they're going to stick with this polling and and donor requirement but also that the ones that are coming up in February at a point where people will start voting in caucuses and primaries that they're gonNA start including leading some of the early results in how they decide who gets to make it on stage. Yeah so hypothetically. It's like booker. Does really well in Iowa. Then maybe after that he he finds a way in via that result. And it's interesting because throughout all of this right like this is the constant griping that people have during a primary win things going for them or when things is are not going well for them and it's like they're two sides to Peres's point. I think a lot of the campaigns and Democrats take view that everybody has had a lot of time to figure this all out and to do well and move up the ranks and you know the more success. We'll be bold move on. That's how it works and Booker's point I think a lot of the campaigns and Democrats are also frustrated frustrated that after a historically diverse primary has taken place that these are the people that people have been left with at the quote unquote top tier and that you know. Some of the other diverse candidates had struggled to gain traction all part of this sort of broader conversation that we could have until the Dang cows come home share. Well we we'll be tracking the story as it develops and will tentatively be at whatever debate takes place this week. If it happens maybe over here you know. We don't know walking and now for an impeachment news blast delayed but blasting. It's it's the holiday season. Later this month will have Christmas Hanukkah Kwanzaa festivus New Year's Eve. No clue boxing. Day is and sooner than all that. We'll sit around the fire. Drink some eggnog. And watch the impeachment of the president of the United States in the House of Representatives. Impeachment is one of those holidays that doesn't have presents but I'm going to settle. It's fun on Friday. The House Judiciary Committee confirmed the two articles of impeachment after debating for a day and a half. They are officially abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on Tuesday. The House Committee on rules will debate to decide on. Do you want to take a guess. Gideon rule rule rule debating the rules that will govern the final impeachment. Vote in the house. The rules committee will decide how long the debate will last. And how many amendments if any will we'll be allowed the rules committee has nine Democrats and four Republicans so the rules are expected to reflect that this is very proc- what you actually need to know is that there's going to be voting sometime this this week. The full House vote rather will likely happen on Wednesday and the outcome of the vote is not particularly in question as we've known for a while Democrats hold a majority of seats in the House. Two thousand three to one ninety seven yes so in. All likelihood trump will be impeached this week cruises halo. It's just yeah. It's it's a sitting but that would also give him the same track record as President Bill Clinton who was impeached in the House and I'm sure Donald Trump hates that it's the combination of weeks of inquiry by the House stems very historic. Well now it is time to stock up on that. God Dang Jiffy pop. We have only a couple of days and once the vote is done in the house. There's going to be this transition transition time to hearing the impeachment case in the Senate. That's the trial period Akilah. The process in the Senate hasn't even begun and it's already rife with accusations of partisanship even further obstruction. What on Earth is going on there? Yes so last night. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell that said that the dims want want to hear testimony from four trump administration witnesses including acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and former national security adviser John Bolton the other witnesses are Robert Blair that was an aide to Mulvaney and Michael Duffy. Who Works at the Office of Management and Budget or Oh and be for short Listeners you will likely hear this acronym in the media going forward for the rest of this debacles just ownby. Is this testimony likely to happen. No probably not. Considering the players involved rape Senate Republicans as you know have so far settled on a strategy of hearing the opening argument from trump's lawyers and then house Democrats with the option to call witnesses leader Schumer is not really into that approach. He says that witnesses should be called. Documents turned over and trial parameters should be agreed upon in a partisan way Bipartisan Way. Yeah I mean that obviously seems optimistic given in that just last week Mitch. McConnell basically gave the game away telling Sean Hannity that he was in close coordination with White House. Counsel about the whole Senator Al.. Yeah which is not trials are supposed supposed to be done. If you're wondering this isn't even a partisan point either you know if you were a juror and you told the judge that you were working with the defense to decide if they're guilty or not you get discharged from Matt. Sweet sweet forty bucks. which is I think what the going rate is for being? You know having jury duty but hey it's twenty nine hundred America. What are norms and standards anymore? We don't care find in Moscow Mitch which. I'm allowed to call them that because crooked. Let's be real people so shout out but also I have suffered through being the senator for Kentucky my entire life So Mitch isn't the only Republican incident Pledging not to do their job loud as fuck in public. Senator Lindsey Graham. He's also the chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the Senate. It said on Saturday that he will do everything in his power to quickly end an expected impeachment trial in the Republican led Senate Gideon thoughts just throwing throwing the towel away before the game. Even I what I expect. But it's still you know if he if he had shame he would have demonstrated years ago asked if it was appropriate for him to be voicing his opinion before impeachment even reaches the Senate Graham replied quote while I must think so. Because I'm doing it. Okay he went on to say quote. I am trying to give with a pretty clear signal. I've made up my mind. I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair jer here which I just feel like. How are you allowed to have this job? And you can't uphold the basic part of the job description. Do Your job. You were tasked with this rise to the occasion please. I would never be a good football coach gauged please anyway with the linebackers well on that note. Even more weird impeachment stuff is happening right now. New New Jersey Democratic Representative Jeff Van Drew Not Andrew has decided to switch parties to become a Republican. Just the house is about to vote. He's been staunchly Anti Impeachment Schmidt from the jump and now he'll be the party as his haircut which has been Republican for a very long time. I mean look him up you know just Google it. He looks more like hand. Kills Deb and Mike Pence It likely won't change the outcome in the house though and a little bit of background on Andrew. It's pretty moderate. He ran as a Democrat and one in his district partly because his Republican opponent made a bunch of races remarks an las backing from the sea. So you know. Moderate what's even more galling about Andrew's decision decision is that it it came after polling indicated that he was in trouble with Democratic voters in his district because for weeks he's been going on Fox and saying he's against impeachment So you know basing decisions on what is right and wrong purely on your own electoral prospects. Welcome to the Republican Party. You are going to fit in great well. The impeachment he's written news is not letting up. And we are going to keep you posted on all of the news as it rains down this week. And that was your impeachment news blast and now to some ads. They've been telling you all about this Bra that I really love and I wear it every day. I mean not just the one several from this company. They're awesome and they totally fit my boobs. And that's why I think you all supreme you try one. So third. 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Sunday morning little to no progress was made especially because major polluters like the United States Australia and China blocked action on measures meant to lower emissions. Because I guess they know about a second backup earth at the rest of US Dole for their part. The trump administration even actively blocked proposals to help developing countries with the cost of dealing with climate. Change this was technically the last year the United States will be part of these talks since trump made the decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement a man who has seen groping reporter during during a December seventh news broadcasts was arrested last Friday on charges of sexual battery. Thomas Calloway was participating in Georgia. Five K. and thought it'd be really cool and funny to slap reporter order Alex Bizarre but as he ran pastor. It really wasn't no one left. here's bazaar John Allen House. She experienced the assault. He took my power. And I'm trying trying to take that back And I think what it really comes down to is that he helped himself to a part of my body. Calloway was was arrested after turning himself in and has been released on a thirteen hundred dollar bond. Accompany that helped fuel. The country's OPIOID crisis is now selling cure for opioid overdoses. Money makes you evil. Purdue Pharma manufacturer highly addictive drug Oxycontin. And now they're foreign affiliate Monday Pharma has been approved to sell an opioid antagonists called the lock zone in Europe New Zealand and Australia. The drug has been available in generic form for years. But now they're selling it in a nasal spray form called make sued for for nearly twice the Price Creek. Say It's pretty messed up to the same people who marketed highly addictive painkillers are now cashing in on the cure. And I consider myself one of those critics a real roller coaster for the hallmark channel. 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A Case from the Right for More Witnesses
"This is impeachment the daily podcast from WNYC. I'm Brian Lehrer. It's Wednesday November twenty seven. Even on this day before Thanksgiving there are two new reported facts in trump Ukraine crane story that could prove to be significant and since we spoke yesterday. The House Judiciary Committee has scheduled. Its first impeachment hearing for next Wednesday eh ten. AM guess where we'll be and invited. The president himself to testify. Here are the new reported facts. Then we'll talk to our guest for today which lowry editor of National Review. Who opposes impeachments fact number one? According to the New York Times quoting unnamed sources president trump knew about the CIA whistleblower complaint before trump released the military at the time said trump was informed in August about the whistle blower from the CIA. The aid was released in September. This would also mean trump knew about the whistle blower before. He seemed to change his tune to ambassador Gordon Son and told hold him not to ask Ukraine for a quid pro quo in a phone call. Before trump knew about the whistle blower trump told sunland to require an announcement of investigations indications. For White House meeting. This new timeline would add weight to the argument that trump released the aid and nuanced his language. Only because he now saw I saw he might get called out publicly fact number two. There's apparently an email so that would be documentary. Evidence showing that the president himself ordered ordered the military aid frozen. This revelation comes from the release of the first deposition transcript I should say the final deposition transcript that the house impeachment inquiry committees heard privately before the public hearings. The witness was mark. Sandy an official at the office of Management and budget. Sandy testified defied that he received an email on July twelfth informing him that the president himself was directing hold on military funding for Ukraine in the e mail came from Robert Blair. A top aide to White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney now. This is the most direct evidence yet that the president personally ordered the withheld and according to sandy no one gave him or other people at the budget office. A reason for the hold and he testified that one colleague colleague of his resigned in September after giving a dissenting opinion on whether it was legal to withhold the aid and another colleague resigned in September after expressing frustrations about not understanding the reason. For the Holt with that. We welcome rich lowry editor of National Review. His latest article out yesterday is called the check. The box impeachment a partisan impeachment pursued on a political timetable. He's also author of the new book book the case for nationalism how it made us powerful united and free rich. We always appreciate it. Thanks for coming on again. We'll get to those two new facts. Jason Get your reactions. But let's start with the news that the Judiciary Committee which would vote on actual articles of impeachment will hold its first impeachment hearing during next Wednesday taking the hand off from Adam Schiff and the intelligence committee. Does that. Play into your assertion that they're running on a political timetable. Yeah they want to get this out of the door by the end of the year. So you'll you'll have a hearing with some constitutional experts and then in fairly short order the draft of articles of impeachment impeachment. And then. I expect unless there's some earth shattering development for them to be voted out of that the house and then trump will be quit in the Senate. COCO's you're arguing that if the Democrats were interested in learning the whole story rather than getting this done before election season they would go through the court battles titles to force the testimony of the closest people to trump who really know if he was blackmailing Ukraine by withholding the military aid. He named Giuliani Mulvaney Secretary of stay pompeo and vice president pants. I guess we could add John Bolton. Why do you think they should fight those battles for months in court? Well if if they're really really doing this prayerfully and sadly and as PLO seeing shifts had repeatedly said In pursuit of all the facts to get them before the American public. Then you would not care. You know the Iowa caucuses are coming up on February six you. You wouldn't care that you know this might be distracting from other business. You would wait and get all the firsthand witnesses just very strange to undertake an investigation. Then not not get all the people who really know stuff on a firsthand first-hand basis and it would be paying you know would be a delay But I imagine the courts would expedite it. I don't think the Democrats would prevail with all these witnesses just by the way I do think there's a colorful and probably credible Privilege claims with with some of these Witnesses not all of them. So you'd have a more complete the factual record so this is the first time we've ever had an impeachment where there hasn't even been an attempt to create a complete factual record which has seen a very basic Imperative Because because because they're in a rush you've argued previously that what the president did was wrong but the Democrats should not impeach in an election year. And you were just making that case again. Let the American people be. The jury hears an argument against that from yesterday show it comes from former Obama solicitor. General General Neo cut. y'All who has now written a book making the case for impeachment and I asked him specifically about that argument from you I quoted from Your New York Post article article this week. Why now when the American people are going to get to decide themselves and a few months and he responded in part like this it might happy one thing? If after the president got caught with Ukraine. He said Yeah. You know what I made a mistake a really bad mistake And I definitely won't you. You know. Try and seek foreign interference and elections. I won't try and cheat all that stuff. But what did he do instead. He said Yeah. I'd do it again. China if you're listening running can you help me out with the Biden's So we know this is going to happen again and this is why this Republican talking point which is oh. Let's just wait till the twenty. Hey Twenty election I think has it so backwards I mean. The president is accused of cheating in the twenty twenty election so to wait for the election. In which is cheating sheeting is bizarre. It's Kinda like if I Brian and I are playing a game of monopoly. And he accuses me of cheating and I say well. Let's figure out whether I'm really cheating thing. Let's play a game of monopoly You know you don't you. Don't play the same game. You're accused of cheating in order to resolve this accusations against you. Neal Katyal on yesterday show Shaw responding to what you wrote in The New York Post this week. WanNa keep that conversation going. I contend the punishment is dependent dependent on the harm lose to some extent. And there's no harm here. The Ukrainians didn't dig up dirt quote unquote on Joe Biden. They they didn't even investigate. PRISMA shady that perhaps legitimately deserves investigation. They didn't even announce they're investigating Brisbane Even if they had it the political fact on the American election would have been zero. You know it's not as so Joe Biden's polls would have plummeted. Not Not as one hundred entre Biden would have been a let. Let away in chains The effects would have been basically nonexistent so that we're GONNA do kind of political capital punishment is year and the first time in our history. Remove the president Over this I I just think can't can't be sustained and Democrats are trying to build this massive of Superstructure of impeachment and removal atop a very very narrow base in this Ukraine episode. I guess the Democrats see the base of complaints against the president as much broader. Let me try to put that into words and see how you would react to that. That trump has done so many things that they consider impeachable including asking a foreign government for help with his campaign by itself completely unbowed in that respect by the Russia investigation. That's one thing. The alleged conditioning of military aid on that is another plus all the attempts to obstruct justice in both this and the Russia. Investigation and many Republicans even see the military aid problem which would have gone on. Presumably if trump had not gotten called out and if Celeski really didn't announce those investigations that aid would have become that eat suspension would have become permanent even many Republicans. See that military problem as against the national security interest rest of the United States. He was toying with the national security interest of the United States adding to the list of things that he's done that seemed to advance Russian interests over American ones in really important ways. So that is maybe roughly. Have the Democrats would put why this all all adds up to a combination of serious abuses of power for his personal gain. That Congress needs to set a precedent on less enable. You believe in more of a strongman presidency as they'd see it and maybe even a Kremlin linked one. So what about that. Put that way. Well I reject. Ah some of the premises kremlin-backed White House and all that but I went out the best case. Democrats can make is look Republicans impeached Bill Clinton in Nineteen Ninety eight zero hope of realistic hope of removing and in the Senate as an act of censure venture. Basically with a lot of bells and whistles and we're going to do the same thing here you know. Turnabout is fair play and because trump because episode was bad. And because because you know trump doesn't separate himself personally enough from the toossion of the office it's important to create this just black mark on his record which is basically really essential vote. I I think that's their their best case. I think cutting against that is he's he's GonNa get acquitted and it's GonNa play like a victory you know. He's going to have a parade parade on the South Lawn. You know maybe a fly over or something. When when he prevailed Democrats political calculation that one? Yes so that vitiates gates and then and there wasn't really that impeachment power at the end of the day if he's been impeached and reelected which is which is a A. There's some significant chance of that happening here but then I guess a question for you is if public opinion doesn't change. Republican senators will not vote to remove him because they'll feel backlash from their their constituents and we would get that outcome that you just articulated He might wind up getting impeached and reelected. Did you say that would weaken the power of impeachment for the future. Maybe but which side of history do you WanNa be on helping to freeze public opinion where it is by worrying about that outcome or helping convince people that what I think you already believe was wrong and a significant abuse of power. You're correct that if it's wrong shouldn't be left to slide. Yeah so you're listening was probably think this is so called concern trolling on my part. Because obviously I don't don't have the the interests of the of the Democrats at heart but this goes back to. How do you hold them accountable? And I think hearings you know the the two weeks of public. Oh carryings where. We're really strong for for the Democrats. I think it's impeachment and removal. That goes too far and appalling. Ticked up a little bit and some of these polls that we've I've seen a spate of them the last couple of days. You know maybe two points but you know if it's if it's forty nine forty six on impeachment nationally. Where's it in their the swing districts of Vulnerable Bowl Congressional Democrats whereas it in places like Wisconsin that a real. The real battlegrounds may not hurt them. It's certainly not helping helping them. And and it very well may hurt them at the margins so now let's get to the news stories from last night after your article was published pushed in National Review yesterday if Owen be official Mark Sandy told the truth in his deposition. There's an email from chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Office on July. I twelve saying the president directed the A. B. With health that would be documentary evidence and that's two days after the meeting with Ukrainian officials that John Bolton called called the drug deal for trying to leverage investigations with this email. Change anything for you in terms of proof no. I always assumed that this was the key the case I mean it creates more documentary record. Yes but I if trump didn't order the the aid withheld. I don't know who would have and there was. You know the story Two weeks or so ago and in the New York Times about how some some Republicans were trying to cook up a theory where all be blamed on Sunlen and and Giuliani. You know somehow working by the president's back and that's obviously crazy you know and he didn't hold up the eight. Who who did you know he he you must have done it and any obviously did it It and part and perhaps large part pressure and Ukrainians over the investigation. So I take that as a as a a- and the other new story president trump reportedly was told by White House lawyers about the CIA whistleblower complaint before the aid was released. This this would add weight to the argument. That trump release the aid. Only because he now saw he might get called out publicly meaningful to you. In terms of further proof of trump linking in all these things. Well I think we need to know more about this and this is one in my first answer. Brian On the morning's news. We kind of knew that or at least week's intuited. This is something we don't know the details of what were the exact circumstances of the release. And how how was it released so this this is interesting shing. If she's a new information it seems to me though and I Happy be corrected as more facts. Emerged that the the more most salient. The thing here was the house is going to pass a continuing resolution resolution forcing the release of the funding. And it was like they're going to pass the Senate and and we know Rob Portman on September eleventh when funding was actually released called the White House and basically said you know it is up. We're going to force you to release released money. And trump released it so What was a mix of these various motivations worry perhaps about the whistle blower complaint inch or just having his hand forced by Congress? We need to know more but it's not as simple as some people portraying. Oh you know he. He saw the whistle blower campaign playing August whereas learned of it and then immediately released. Yeah well they didn't release it for another two weeks and more immediate The timing lines up more immediately with US Congressional Action Action in mid August mid mid September. Sorry Jerry you're on the air with rich lowry hi sorry. Oh Hello Brian I WanNa know you know where people stand I think for history. We need to know where representatives and Senators Stan whether trump is impeached and removed from office. Assist or not history will not be on the side of the Republicans rich was talking about history looking at the Democrats since saying. Oh they weren't too much of a hurry to to impeach somebody they didn't like and route you know and remove him from office. I think that history will say what happened to the Republicans. Why did they think that? It's okay for somebody to issue bribes. Why did they get? It's okay for the president to ask ask for help from foreign entities to win an election. Why did they think it's okay for the president to make money From the presidency see for his businesses and Sherry. I'M GONNA leave at that at that reactor whatever you want to react to their rich. Yes I accept. You know. All all the factual basis of what she's saying about about trump but I do think Republicans are not serving themselves. Well right now or in the future if they don't get fully only admit what what happened here and that was wrong and say it was wrong. And just because something's wrong doesn't mean you should be impeached and removed over it. But just because you shouldn't be impeached impeaching removed over it doesn't make it right and That's that's the point I've been trying to make throughout this episode to you. Think that there's a danger in him being re elected despite the people knowing about this abuse of power And the things that go with it you know these countries that have been moving toward real authoritarian rule sometimes doing so with the support out of the majority of the people we could name a number of countries maybe even Russia and Putin and so. It's a dangerous injuries thing. If he does abuse his power and the Congress doesn't remove him and that is acceptable to the American people for the Slope that they may send a sliding on. How much if any concerns you have about that? Well I think one in general the for real guardrails have held You know through these first three and a half years. It's it's often been you know. A radic and a willful will Governance but not illegal or unconstitutional governance. You know a great example of this would be his intervention in these military justice just cases and specifically the really extraordinary intervention to say that any gallagher. This navy seal shouldn't lose seal pin. There should be a the panel convened. Consider whether it should keep his seal pin or not. He has the authority to do that. I mean there's there's no question commander chief. It's just a really poor use of his authority and so I think most of what trump is done. That's objectionable at mine. Mine falls in that category rather than you know violating elating constitution. I think there's a tendency of people who are freaked out by things. He does like calling oppressed the enemy of the people. which shouldn't to? There's there's a leap to say well. He's he's violating the first. I meant when he doesn't know he's exercising his first amendment rights so That some people listening right now are wondering why are you using the navy seal case as an example of the guard rails holding rather than the guard rails collapsing. Let me play a short clip. That I was GonNa ask you about any way from the president's rally last night in Florida This is part of how he referred to that case I stuck up for three great warriors against the deep state. The what I'm talking about. So he's now calling his own navy secretary presumably and the Peer Review Process. That is the pride side of the Military Court Martial System. The deep state is that the guard rails holding or is that the guardrails not holding. Even though clearly you're right we have civilian civilian control of the military. He's got the constitutional power to do what he did. But is that the guardrails of norms that are going to protect the country in the long run holding holding or collapsing. Yeah so I think you make a good point. That's not I was Kinda mixing things up there. That's not a good example. The car trails holding for the reason that you outlined it is A case where he's clearly within his Legal Authority and Conservative constitutionalist list. That that I know what what kind of the way we think about this. You know. We're worried about trump But you look at Elizabeth Warren. She's promising to ban fracking like first day in office. When there's a two thousand and five law that says you can't? She can't do that. She's promising a wealth tax. The Lisa's very constitutionally dubious. She's promising to break up the tech companies on no authority whatsoever. So you know. Our fear here is that there's a progressive movement that consider the Constitution a A A a needless obstacle or an anachronism and and has always been about aggrandizing executive power especially within the administrative agencies and that is is more of a longterm threat to our institutions institutions that are constitutional order than A president who's using his lawful authority and sometimes very unwise ways last thing you've written critically in the past about Rudy Giuliani. Let me get your reaction to this that he said this weekend on Fox saying things written like he's going to throw me under the bus right when they say that I say he isn't but I have insurance is rudy threatening the president when he says I have insurance asked if the president is GonNa Throw L. Him under the bus. What do you make that? That's crazy rudy. Says he's joking. But what kind of joke is that. It's not a joke it's you know it's one of these serve joking not joking. Thinks it's the president's lawyer threatening the president implicitly in public and it's just bizarre and look at the president trump is responsible. I personnel choices. He's responsible for his decisions. But Rudy has has a lot to answer your four. He helped lead down this cockamamie path in Ukraine and may have been doing it for self interested reasons. And there's still a lot under the rudy rock that we don't know about and that that I think is probably going to to to Be really end badly. Rich lowry editor of National Review and author of the case for nationalism. How it made us powerful united and free? Thank you so much. Thanks happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I WanNa give thanks to the producers who make show possible. I Call Them Busy Team Zoe. We ask away and Zach Cohen Z.. Team rocks and makes this podcast listenable and intelligible. We will take Thanksgiving Day off and on Friday. We'll feed a special Ashley. Edition will get off the impeachment news for the holiday weekend and send you a national call in show that is hosted on Sunday called America. Are you ready. It's on the place of impeachment in our democracy. So happy Thanksgiving thanks for listening. I'm Brian Lehrer.
Mon. 11/04 ORourke Drops Out
"Welcome to the election. Ride home for Monday. November fourth twenty. Nineteen I'm your host Chris Higgins with the summary of election news today a work drops out a New York Times poll looks at battleground states. The trump impeachment stuff in three minutes or less the Castro campaign prepares for layoffs more details on the November DNC debate and new polls helped to candidates qualify for the December DNC debate. Here's what you missed. Today from the campaign trail first up on Friday Beto Aurora dropped his bid for the presidency after declaring his campaign way back on March fourteenth. He spent two hundred thirty two days in the race. Now according to my math that is the longest run of any candidate who has dropped out at this point as with all candidates who dropped dropout. Let's take a look back at his candidacy. A rare came into the race. Fresh off of an unsuccessful bid for Senate in Texas. He tried to defeat Senator Ted Cruz and didn't didn't quite make it but during that Senate run. He gained national attention for almost defeating an incumbent. Republican in a red state that national profile L. helped or work with fundraising at least early on reading from an article. In The New York Times by Alexander burnes quote in the earliest days of his campaign. Mister O'Rourke was a fundraising powerhouse. Collecting more than six million dollars. In his first day as a candidate but his fundraising cratered Richard. Almost immediately he raised more in his first forty eight hours than in the following one hundred days and steadily depleted his campaign treasury by I spending more than he was taking in and quote by the middle of last week or works campaign was in Dire Straits financially facing the possibility of laying off staff in order to remain afloat reading from post on medium by Aurora titled. Simply thank you quote. Though it is difficult to accept it is clear to me. Now that this campaign gene does not have the means to move forward successfully. My service to the country will not be as a candidate or as the nominee acknowledging. This now is in the best interests of those in the campaign. It is in the best interests of this party as we seek to unify around a nominee and it is in the best interests of the country and he goes on to discuss his campaign and his achievements during it and to thank his supporters. He also says he will work to support the eventual Democratic nominee. So let's let's listen back to one key moment from the aurore campaign. The most notable moment for Aurora came in the wake of tragedy when a shooter drove to El Paso Aso in order to shoot people at a local Walmart a works hometown was visited by domestic terrorism. This led to a major change in how he talked about gun safety fifty and to some extent about race and immigration. Let's listen to a clip from Sunday. August fourth in which Iraq spoke to folks about how he would react to the shootings. This this happened at sunset at a vigil El Paso. Listen I am so proud. At this moment humanity that will not be defined defined by the murders that we saw yesterday but instead in the way choose to overcome them to ourselves by our laws our courage our our confidence in our face of this weakness and fear and intolerance and the example that we will provide the rest of the country at our differences are not dangerous a you not define us. They will not survive us that once and for all we will choose to come together and ensure it's worth every single American can live to their potential and it will look was here in castle for the example. Are you ready to provide Those families in our prayers birth. Let's continue to share the story of El Paso and what is financial community with the rest of the world and then if listened to Unwell Well Patricia remind us that in addition to the racism and the hatred and the fear and the intolerance we are a country that it has accepted does for four thousand gun deaths every single year. No other country comes close and we know the solutions. Universal background checks close every single day making the adoption lost anyone who poses a dangerous themselves. Someone else someone in your life where their lives is stopped before it. Just although Aurora has been encouraged by many to run for the other Senate seat in Texas. He has repeatedly declined to do that. I have seen no no indication that he will run for any office. In twenty twenty and now just seventeen. Major Democratic candidates remain the election. Right home is sponsored today by Mac Weldon. Now Listen Up. I do a lot of work in the yarden. Pardon I can tell you. 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Wisconsin Florida Florida Arizona and North Carolina and looking at that Biden column. Gosh there's a lot of Biden winning. He wins four states by anywhere anywhere from two percent to five percent against trump. They're tied in one state and he loses one to trump by two percent. Now compare this to sanders. Who who wins three states and loses three states all by margins of one to three percent and compare this to Warren who wins one St ties to Oh and loses three the spread there is between two and six percent alright so on first viewing you might be inclined to look at this graphic and say oh crap rap the only Democrat in this list who can win these states is Biden and in fact? That's how the Times put it in. Their headline they say Biden is ahead of trump but warren in is behind trump and that is a legitimate way to look at this poll fight. Let's go a little bit deeper. As always with polls we have to talk about methodology legiti particularly the margin of error the margin of error for five of the six states. I just mentioned is plus or minus four point four percent and for Michigan again. It's plus or minus five point one percent so in other words every result in that graphic whether it is a win or a loss is within the margin of error. You're with just two exceptions. Those are Biden at plus five in Arizona. which is less than one percent outside the margin and Warren minus six in Michigan again? which again is less than one percent outside the margin now? I'm not saying that. Every one of these results is incorrect. That would be a huge reach but but I am saying the margin of error is a real thing. The simplest way to read this poll from my perspective is to say wow in these battleground states it really. Is this close now. Which of these three Democrats or the other Democrats is the best option? Well that's a harder case to make based on this data. That's what the primary Mary needs to be about. And there are a lot of factors that could change between now and the actual vote in two thousand twenty quoting NPR. Political Editor Domenico Montinaro. Oh on twitter quote poll show right now that the two thousand twenty election next year. We'll probably be close in the states that matter and who turns out is going to be key cool will end quote now beyond the margin of error the psychological effect of big numbers versus small numbers is real however in winning elections. Sion's it doesn't matter whether you win big or just win. That's how trump won in two thousand. Sixteen he narrowly won a bunch of states and those winds Add up he could do that again. Or a Democrat could have a similar result. Nate silver of fivethirtyeight alluded to that in a two-part tweet this morning quote the difference between Biden's performance versus trump and warren slash. Bernese is about the same in those upshot state polls as in most other polls holes this year it looks a lot bigger because in most other polls all the leading Democrats have big leads. And they don't in the upshot polls when Biden leads by nine or ten and Warren Slash Bernie lead by six or seven. Nobody notices much but when Biden leads by one or two and Warren Oren Slash Bernie trail by one or two. It looks huge. It's actually the same two to three point gap though and quote all of of this is to say. Take your polling with grains of salt listened to people who are professional pollsters when they tell you things about how to understand their own polls especially if some results results are actually within the margin of error and cone the author of the time story about these polls actually did that in two ways first. He took to twitter Lincolnshire show notes to discuss the various reasons why these results differ by design from other major polls. Now that may mean they're more accurate that they represent a better prediction than other pollsters right now. Part of this is by making sure these polls did a solid job of polling white non college educated voters but Kona saying up front hey. This poll design is notably different and arguably better. The question there becomes basically. Is he right eight. Is that poll design better or not and I'm not sure how we test that without holding an election just because it's a different design doesn't make it correct rector incorrect but it does say. Hey this one is not like the others and it's like that on purpose at the same time cone actually says in the time story story at the very first graphic shows results that are within this poll's margin of error now. It's kind of easy to miss that. Because it's one sentence in this long litany of images images that seem to paint a different picture but again the margin is a key grain of salt that we must consider when reading poll reading once more from the times quote across the six closest states that went Republican in two thousand sixteen trump trails Joe Biden by an average of two points among registered voters but stays within within the margin of error and quote and now the trump impeachment impeachment news in three minutes or less over the weekend. The big news was at the whistle blowers lawyer said the whistle blower themself would answer written questions from Republican members of Congress and go in further. The lawyer said these questions could be submitted directly without having to go through the congressional process and even more the responses would be quote in writing and another oath and penalty of perjury and quote. So that was the offer well. Republicans were not having it representative. Jim Jordan of Ohio wrote in part quote. Last week's testimony raised even more concerns about the anonymous whistleblower and our need to hear from them in person and quote today despite Congress being technically in recess private depositions in the impeachment inquiry continued. Well they tried to continue anyway. Two key witnesses scheduled for today Robert Blair and John John Eisenberg failed to show up for their testimony in the morning despite subpoenas although I am saying this before it actually happens. The other two key witnesses for the day are also expected not out to show up in a CNN. Story on Saturday Monterey Zhou Jeremy Herb wrote about how Democrats might handle this blanket. Refusal of key witnesses to actually show up and testify testify. The choice boils down to engaging in a long legal fight to try to get those witnesses or just take what they've already gotten. Lay it out in an interesting twist the latter option might just be the plan reading from CNN quote a number of House Democrats told CNN that it's time for that next step saying they've already ready built enough evidence to advance the proceedings to the public stage. This isn't an Agatha Christie novel. This is a shakedown said. Representative Jamie Raskin. A Democrat from Maryland. Who has taken part in the closed-door depositions? I think we have established an overwhelming case. But we have got very careful prosecutors on the staff who rightfully want want to leave no witnesses unexamined and they want every detail to be nailed down as much as possible. That's good raskin added but at a certain point we have to say. There's just been an overwhelming case. That high crimes and misdemeanors have likely been committed against our country and quote in that Context House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi she has indicated that public hearings could begin this month and transcripts of closed door. Testimony have just started to be released as I read this to transcripts descript from mid October have just been released so presumably. I'll have more on that for you tomorrow Last week I reported that Julia on Castro just barely made his fundraising goal by Halloween. And that last minute push actually made up the great majority of his overall October fundraising in a CNN story. On Saturday Dan merica notes that the Castro campaign is preparing to lay off some staff reading from CNN quote. It was clear inside the San Antonio based campaign even before the push began but the future was uncertain for the Texas Democrat. The Castro campaign senior leadership told staffers before they announced their fundraising. Push that whether or not they hit the number staff should feel free to look for other other opportunities and even when the campaign hit the fundraising goal Castro senior. Aides again told staff at the campaign would likely have to make staffing adjustments moments to press on that has led some Castro aides to look for jobs with other campaigns. A source said Castro has no plans to drop out at this point but that the campaign's senior leadership wanted to be as clear as possible with staff about the campaigns forthcoming strategic decisions and not spring the news on them and quote so add Castro to the last along with Harris of candidates who are restructuring their campaigns to focus on just a few early voting states rates and now some debate news confirming a very strong rimmer from last week the November. DNC debate will be held at Tyler Perry studios in Atlanta but the new information is the timing it will take place from nine nine pm to eleven pm Eastern on November twentieth. That is both later in the day and shorter overall than recent debates. And we'll just have have to see whether it makes a difference to how the beat works and lasts today a little more debate news. A bunch of new polls came out over the weekend to summarize their effect on the DNC debate stages. Well it's pretty simple senator. Kamala Harris picked up her fourth qualifying poll for December. So she is locked. In plus Senator Amy Klobuchar picked up her third qualifying poll also for December. So she is this close the polls gave no help to anybody else for either debate. Keep in mind. The November qualifying period ends on November thirteenth and representative tentative Tulsi. Gabbard currently has three qualifying polls for that debate. So if she gets one more in the next nine days she will be the tenth person on the November debate stage right now. Only five candidates have technically qualified for December. Though I do expect that number to increase. Well that is it for one more episode of the election ride. Home I have been your host Chris Higgins. You can always find me on twitter at Chris Higgins close out the tape. Take two things come to mind. First Sunday. Yesterday was the one year mark until the general election in twenty twenty so we are now within that one in year window and we are speeding toward Iowa as well. The second thing is that many of us are facing our own local elections tomorrow out here in Oregon. We had a series of ballot measures. There's an because we are one hundred percent vote by mail wife and I felt at our ballots the kitchen table and just dropped him in the box. We
Pelosis Impeachment Gamble
"From The New York Times. I'm Michael Borrow this today. Crucial witness from inside the president's inner circle now says he's willing to testify in the impeachment. Trial the question is whether the Senate will let that happen. Julie Daynes with the latest on the impeach plus the Iranian retaliation begins It's Wednesday January. Julia was the last time that we talked about impeachment. Daily was busy busy day of impeachment in the House. What was supposed to happen following the historic vote after the house impeachment vote? The Democrats went and had a huge news conference December eighteen a great day to the Constitution Institution of the United States. A sad one for America that the president's reckless activities necessitated are having adding to introduce articles of impeachment. They talked about the significance of the historic vote. And so I do this this day. This it's something that we did to honor the vision of our founders to establish the public and everyone expected that they were then going to get a timetable table for where this is going next. When are they going to send these impeachment articles over to the Senate? We have legislation approved by the committee that will enable US queue of decide how we will send over the articles of impeachment. We cannot name managers until we see what the process is on the Senate side and somewhat surprisingly Nancy Pelosi hedges. Wait to send the articles until you understand what the Senate's going to. We'll make a decision as a group as we always have a as we go along. She essentially saying that they're not in any rushed. Send over these charges and in fact maybe it's better to keep them until she can get some assurances from the Senate about how the trial is GonNa look whether they're going to allow witnesses whether they're going to have with Democrats would consider a fair process are joining us now. Is Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell is with US and around this time Mitch. McConnell has been openly talking in interviews and on the Senate floor about how he he is planning to quickly move to a quick president trump. Everything I do during this. I'm coordinating with White House. Counsel there will be no difference between the president's musician and our position as to how to handle this. He wants to coordinate and work hand in glove with the White House to essentially clear the president's name after what he he says has been a completely unfair and illegitimate process in the house. Do you see any possible. Defections doubt there's zero chance. The president obviously would be removed from office. Listen I'm hoping we'll have notifications at all and so Pelosi is suggesting leader. McConnell has stated that he's not an impartial juror of that he's going to take his shoes and quotes from the White House. and well if if that's GONNA be their approach if they're just going to take what we've just done and essentially throw it in wastepaper basket Maybe I should wait around a little bit and see if I can't get some guarantees about what this process is GonNa look like before sending it over to the best of your understanding. What is Pelosi thinking about holding up? This process changes anything in her favor. Well there's two issues here. One of them is the issue of a fair. Trial is important to Democrats but it's also important to a handful of moderate Senate Republicans who could be key if they were to side with Democrats enforcing McConnell to change the rules of a trial to allow witnesses assists for example or to allow some new evidence to be introduced. She's thinking maybe that sort of tweaks the political calculus that McConnell is facing and persuades him and that he's really going to have to make some of these concessions if he wants to have his conference united among Republicans on how a trial looks the other factor factor. Here is that Pelosi knows that the president is extremely eager for the Senate phase of this trial where he envisions having a parade of people common publicly defend him and ultimately getting vindicated by the Senate in a quick and decisive vote. So part of this calculation I think is maybe the president is going to lean on McConnell to say. Let's just get this done if it's GonNa take more witnesses if it's GONNA take some more concessions nations from our side. Let's just do it because I want this trial to start the gamble here. Is that one way or another waiting. This out will somehow benefit Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic Party in this process. I think she calculates that. There's no downside to waiting. Then there there are there's something to be gained potentially and nothing to be lost and she can just do this. Hold the articles of impeachment back from the Senate pretty much indefinitely. Yes yes there is no rule that says that the house wants. It has voted to impeach president to send over the articles of impeachment. And she could just sit on them but there is a big risk to that. The House has just taken. What it has characterized as urgent and historic vote to impeach the president and and for a lot of democratic members particularly the ones in trump friendly district? It was a pretty hard vote. It was a pretty politically difficult thing to do. Oh and so having just taken this very high profile and politically risky. Vote to do what they said. They thought was right if they then don't follow through with the process us it looks pretty bad. Okay so then what happens so then the house finishes its business for the year and they adjourn without ever sending over the articles of impeachment and essentially leave the question up in the air as everyone goes home to their districts for the holidays. No highly unusual step speaker of the House continues to him and hall about whether and when she intends to take normal next step and transmit. The house is accusations over here. The Senate and rather than reacting in the way that Pelosi may have thought that he might have Mitch. McConnell seemed really gleeful. show-me House Democrats imply. They're withholding the articles for some kind of leverage and and he's basically taunting Pelosi and saying this strategy that you think you have of trying to pressure me to do something is never going to work. Mark Admit I'm not sure what leverage there is an refraining from sending us something we do not. What so? We'll say you. We'll see whether House Democrats ever WanNa work up the courage to actually take their accusations to trial but then then as everyone goes home for the holidays and as with their families and celebrating Christmas and taking a break. Things start to Happen Happen that appeared to vindicate in some ways. Pelosi's decision to wait what I do. You Have Lisa Murkowski Hausky Senate Republican a moderate gives an interview. Where for me to prejudge and say there's nothing there or on the other hand and he should be impeached yesterday? That's wrong in my view. That's wrong. She says she's disturbed by the fact that McConnell has said that he's GonNa coordinate with the White House on the trial. She's sort of suggesting she might be open to this argument. That this not fair or that. Somehow this is short-circuiting the process then a few days later Democrats are hoping that new revelations by the New York Times that president trump overruled his own national security to to hold up military aid to Ukraine is a potential impeachment game changer and colleagues at the Times published a big investigation about the machinations inside the office of Management and budget. The White House budget office around President Trump's decision to withhold this military aid from Ukraine. That's at the center of the impeachment. Saga in response to all of this. This news story shows all four witnesses that we Senate Democrats have requested Mick. Mulvaney Amy John. Bolton Michael Duffy and Robert Blair were intimately involved and had direct knowledge of President Trump's decision to cut off aid in order to to benefit himself. Democrats like Chuck Schumer. The minority leader are basically saying this is exactly why we are saying we need to have witnesses. We need to you have the ability to review and admit new evidence in a Senate trial simply put in our fight to have key documents and witnesses in the Senate impeachment Richmond trial. These new revelations are a game changer because the argument is the impeachment charges themselves based on obstruction of Congress the fact that the president and the White House directed all of the administration not to testify in the house in the impeachment inquiry at not to give documents. That would be evidence. We don't know how these witnesses will testify. We don't know what the documents if we get them. Our hands on them will say. Maybe they'll be exculpatory of president trump. Or maybe they'll be further condemning president trump's actions. We don't know but we should see them regardless godless of what they say so. This unexpectedly eventful holiday. Season seems to be proving pollution strategy right to some degree it's making her case that you moderate Senate Republicans Senate Republicans who maybe are facing reelection next year. You may want to think. Think twice before you just snap to and Follow Mitch. McConnell's lead on how this trial is going to go by the time. Name the holiday break come to a close. Has Anything really changed well a little bit. But it's only after sure everyone gets back from the break and the Senate reconvenes that something happens that really reshuffles. The picture very then guard was founded on the simple but radical idea that in investment company can succeed because it puts investors first vanguard is client own you own their funds and the Fund's own vanguard which means vanguard is built to ensure that your interests will be the priority. Together other vanguards thirty million investors are changing the way the world invests visit vanguard dot com or talk to your financial advisor to learn more. Hi Hi I'm Megan twohey I'm an investigative reporter at the New York Times. You may be familiar with the Harvey Weinstein Story that my reporting partner Jodi Kantor and I broke. I think it's really important for people to know how many obstacles we encounter when reporting these stories. Harvey Weinstein actually hired private investigators to trail us and our sources one even adopted a fake identity and tried to dupe us into believing that she was a women's rights advocate. If you're in New York Times subscriber you provided lighted crucial support. That helped us nail the story and confront a bully. There are investigations like the one that Jodi and I did happening every single day and the New York Times. Newsroom this room when you subscribe to the New York Times. You're actually becoming a stakeholder in those investigations if you believe in this work if you want to support it please subscribe and ny ny times dot com slash subscribe. So what is this development that as you said. Start to reshuffle this picture. Welcome to inside politics. John King we begin the hour with the just breaking major news related to the trump impeachment inquiry the format development is that John Bolton the former White House national security adviser who has been one of the figures that Democrats have most wanted to hear from throughout this impeachment inquiry puts a statement on his website. Right saying he's now willing and ready to testify in a Senate impeachment trial. I would be willing to testify. If if the Senate issues a subpoena demanding his testimony. The let's get straight to. The state and Bolton is a person who left the White House last year under pretty tense circumstances broke with the president and everyone has been wondering what Bolton has to say volts it has until now been complying with the White House's directive not to cooperate great in the impeachment inquiry and while the White House is downplaying the significance of Bolton's announcement Democrats see him as a potentially key witness. His lawyer has indicated in the past that he actually has a lot to say that he has knowledge of a lot of conversations and meetings that would be relevant to the house impeachment inquiry pre. But he hasn't shown up even after house. Democrats asked him to so Democrats are in this position where they know he has information nation. That's material and they can't get it and all of a sudden he goes public and says actually if the Senate wants me me to talk I will talk and duly. Why do you think that John Bolton who we have long regarded as a very loyal Republican figure vigor? I mean all the way back George W Bush he is a foot soldier and the Republican National Security Apparatus. Why would he suddenly say? I am willing to testify testify in a way that could hurt trump. Well that is the million dollar question that everyone immediately began speculating on as soon as he came out with the statement. There's a few theories. Democrats favourite theory is ironically enough. That this person who they have detested as a Super Hawk and loyalist to trump might actually be the hero who has really damaging things to say about the president Who will be the one who had direct conversations ends with him in a way that could tie president trump to what he is accused of in the impeachment articles because remember during the impeachment inquiry? They were not able to get access to any of the people who had direct conversations with the president about linking aid to investigations or any of the other Pity accusations that they were making so Bolton could do that. There's another possibility to which is that. He having been a part of the National Security Council at the White House is very keen to make it clear that he did not agree with some of these decisions that the president was making particularly with. Regard are two withholding military aid from Ukraine. And since we already know from our colleagues on reporting that he actually had meetings with the president trying to talk talk came out of freezing military Ukraine. He wants to essentially flesh out that picture that the president was going in one direction and he couldn't stop it um but there's another possibility here too. which is that John? Bolton is loyal to President trump. And perhaps he wants his day in the Senate to say things that are going to exonerate the president given that we don't know exactly what born would say if he testified. The what does this turn of. Events mean for Policies Strategy of holding back the articles of impeachment. This gamble that she took in order to ramp up pressure sure on Republicans to hold the kind of trial that she wants them to have. Well I think it really Proved out her thesis. which was? There's no downside waiting because as it turns out the pressure has mounted now instead of sort of a theoretical discussion. About what if we wanted to call witnesses. Senators are faced with the prospect of an actual human being who a lot of people wanna hear from as a witness actually coming forward and saying yes. I will appear if subpoenaed so it's is a more concrete thing that they're facing and that makes the negotiation. That still has to happen between Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell All about the terms of this trial a lot more complicated. So let's talk about those negotiations and what we expect to happen in the Senate how are are members of the Senate responding to this development and to all the other developments that you described as happening over the holidays well not surprisingly issue. Anyone and he was followed. Mitch McConnell well hello everyone happy. New Year he has completely dug in Wanted to make sure you understood that we have the votes Wants the impeachment. Trial had gone and on Tuesday. He announced that he plans to move forward with this impeachment. Trial even without an agreement agreement on whether to call witnesses or whether to admit more evidence. What's good for president? Clinton is good for president. Trump will get around to the discussion of witnesses. We got around to discussion witnesses after we got through phase one twenty years ago and the Democrats are where they were which is protesting and complaining being in saying they don't want to go forward with trial until they are assured of at least the possibility that they are going to get to call witnesses and possibly ask for renew documents as well as part of this process. But it's also put the moderate Republicans and some of the folks who are up for reelection under under intensified pressure because while they are willing to go along it seems for now with starting trial without committing to witnesses. It's not not at all clear what they're gonNA do when they're faced with the actual question which they will be at some point of. Should we subpoena John Bolton or not. Should we issue subpoenas Pena's for other people or shouldn't we and that's a question that will really affect what kind of trial. President trump has in the senate. So you're saying that even if the Republicans come up with rules for a Senate trial but does not commit them to having new witnesses that it's still somehow possible that if someone like John Bolton might get called in the middle of his trial right so how it would work from here on out. Is that at some point Nancy Z.. Pelosi would send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate. The trial would begin. Each side would give its opening statements and then at any time Democratic senator or one of the democratic impeachment managers from the House could move to call a witness and that would lead to a vote and and that is a vote that could put a lot of moderate Republicans or rather the few moderate Republicans there are in the Senate in really tight spot. And who are those moderate senators and how many of them are required to vote to have someone like John Bolton. End Up testifying well. This is a tricky question. It would take four Republicans to side with the Democrats who control forty seven votes. In order to you make the majority that would be necessary to do something like this. And that's because normally in the Senate you have the vice. President who breaks ties is but in an impeachment setting the chief justice of the Supreme Court presides over a Senate trial. So there's there's no tiebreak from the vice president no and what's needed is a simple majority so if four Republicans were to side with the Democrats they could control the process. The Republicans were in play. Here are Mitt Romney Republican of Utah. Who has been very clear that he wants to hear from Bolton but love to hear what he has to say he has pretend information and Assuming that articles I'm Jewish. His Senate like I'd I'd like to hear but has also said that for now he's content to start or a trial without an upfront commitment. That will happen. Susan Collins of Maine. WHO's up for reelection? Has Already said that she would be open to witnesses. Potentially really there are a number of with this said may well be appropriate of which he would certainly be. One of Lisa Murkowski ski from Alaska. Who as I mentioned has expressed discomfort with the way that Mitch McConnell has talked about this trial and then the question is who's the fourth and that's a real question and that is one of the things that when Bolton came forward we all wondered whether there would be sort of a ground around swell among Republicans for hearing from someone who they know well and who clearly has something to say in is making it clear that he's willing to say it so far the damn isn't breaking but it would just take four Republican votes to side with the Democrats to force someone like John Bolton to come and testify and furnish information? That could totally change the course of the trial so for now it seems like this strategy is working. Well at the moment it's looking like it panned out pretty well. It might produce some new revelations in a trial that we never really expected to produce much in the way of new revelations this has been a very predictable process from start to finish in the house. Everyone knew that the house was GonNa vote on the articles impeachment and then the Senate was going to quickly move to acquit. President trump with no muss no fuss and now it looks like well. The acquittal is not really in doubt but the path that gets you. There is a lot more wind e and a lot more uncertain and that is a place that did not look likely even a couple of weeks ago so you could say that. This has paid off for the Democrats because it's a least open the door to a bit more of a thorough process than they thought they were GonNa get but the longer you wait to start a trial the less control you have over the events surrounding what else is going to be going on in the world when the impeachment trial unfolds and that was really demonstrated last week when another issue that has nothing to do with impeachment began overshadow all of this and that was the strike that president trump took against Qasim Sulejmani the Iranian general in Iraq and that has totally re-jigger. The conversation reordered the priorities for the moment on Capitol Hill Bill so even if things are not going to change very much on the fundamentals of the trial I think Democrats are in place now or they recognize. It's time I am to move forward. And the articles ultimately are going to have to move to the Senate Thank you very much. Thank you We'll get back. 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Is Pelosi's slow-play paying off?
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment impeachment. Watch for the past several weeks. There's been one burning question dominating this saga. When Will Nancy Pelosi? The speaker of the house transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate and therefore launched the trial process in the Senate. While this morning Speaker Pelosi finally addressed at that point. Take a listen now in terms of impeachment. You'll keep asking me the same question. I keep giving you the same answer. As I said right from the start art we need to see that the arena in which we are sending our managers is that too much to ask of course addressing that point in an answering that question or two different things. A Pelosi later added that she's not holding onto the articles indefinitely and that she would probably transmit them soon soon. I've got to fantastic guests to help me make sense of all of this political gamesmanship in a few minutes will be talking with CNN. National Security and legal analysts. Susan Hennessy but I I'm joined by my colleague. CNN Politics Congressional reporter. Alex Rogers Alex. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thanks so much for me so it seems to me. After days. Days Days of stasis on this story we did learn in the last twenty four hours several things one as I just said speaker. Pelosi said she's likely to transmit these soon she's not going to hold onto them forever. To President. Trump actually asserted yet again today. He's opened. Witnesses named some witnesses. He's interested in of course. Course which are total non starters For the Democrats in terms of Adam Schiff or Joe Biden or hunter Biden or the whistle blower but is has said and he's going to really leave this to the Senate. We learned that Mitch McConnell the majority leader in the Senate went to the White House and briefed the president on what the contours of this trial is going to look like. So it sounds like the president has more information about Mitch. McConnell's vision of how this trial is going to play out then speaker. Pelosi does which is why she's still hanging onto the articles as we're recording this at least and Finally we've learned that there seems to be a strategic divide going on between the president and and his advisors and or some of his advisers and certainly the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell in terms of whether or not he wants some very vociferous defenders from the House Republican Conference To join in defending his case in the Senate McConnell of course worried that Too partisan partisan of abroal may upset the apple cart with some of the moderate center. Republicans that they need to keep on board with the plan here so all of those. Those things have emerged in the last twenty four hours and yet Nancy Pelosi is still holding onto the articles of impeachment. What does that mean soon when you expect her to send these to the Senate or she said today today I'll send them over when I'm ready and we're still trying to figure out what leverage she has Senator Majority Leader Mitch? McConnell said yesterday that she has none he has the votes. It's a simple majority devote Democrats are hoping that there are four Republicans to join them. But now we've talked to Susan Collins. Lisa Murkowski Mitt Romney and all of them are on Mitch McConnell. Donald Seidel Miss. So we're wondering here. What Nancy Pelosi is looking for if there's any possible signal that she could get from The Republican leader. She says that she just wants to see the rules. Mitch McConnell says let's just go back to the nineteen ninety nine precedent under Clinton and. Just run with that now she. It seemed to me when she walked into a press conference. Today Should two main message point. She wanted to hit when it came to the issue of impeachment. One was. She's not buying this whole Mitch. McConnell nineteen ninety nine Clinton enroll. She thinks he's not portraying how those were set up namely the Clinton rules were devised in a bipartisan agreement. And I think there was one hundred hundred nothing vote supporting them. In the United States Senate That was hammered out with the blessing of the leaders. Trent Lott and Tom Daschle. Nothing like that is going on with McConnell when Schumer right now is Pelosi's point number one so she doesn't By his argument that this is playing by the Clinton rules. That was one thing she wanted to drive home but number two it seems she wanted to sort of list Her reasons that she thinks she's been victorious in this decision to hold onto the articles articles namely that it has put the issue of documentation and witnesses front and center in a way that if the articles had immediately gone over in December. Maybe they weren't. What do you make of that? I mean her point is that there's a number of witnesses who have not been Who have refused to testify and the Clinton Peterman process? All of those witnesses had already talked before that that evidence was already out there But the thing is that she right now is losing not only those moderate Republicans Republicans at your needs but also Democrats. There's a number of them who've said in the past couple of days that let's just let's just get this started senator. Dianne Feinstein said if we're going to do it she she she should send them over. I don't see what good delay does. She's later walk that back. Other Congressmen have also Adam Smith at today on CNN. Basically said let's transmit these articles goals that's during the Senate trial and then he later said I misspoke wait. I missed how Senator Feinstein walked back to her comments. What did she say? Because it's all those comments my eyes widen so I I missed the walk back. She said today that those comments are now being taken out of context okay. I don't know if that's a real walk back. They're not out of context are they. I don't know vow. The the thing though is what does holding the articles now do for the Democrats. Are they really going to be able to change the rules. Or they can get these witnesses upfront. No Mitch McConnell has the votes. And he's ready to go he's made that crystal clear what What do you make of this concern concern that? McConnell has apparently expressed that Having some very vocal House Republican conference members who were Lord Diehard trump supporters at all costs be part of his defense may upset the apple cart of sort of the Republican unanimity. That you just described that he's been able cobbled together. How is how big of a concern do you sense? Is this for McConnell. So we have some reporting from Sarah Westwood Phil Mattingly came out today. There's there's this struggle between some of president trump's allies who think that a legalistic argument by Patsy. Baloney the White House counsel so is Not going to be good enough. You need to win this. It's it's not only trial but it's somewhat theater have your most for syphilis. Allies Congressman Jim Jordan Congressman Mark Meadows. Some of these people who can articulate the president's argument in different style. Then you also have Senator Mitch McConnell's view. It appears where those those people are going to turn off exactly the Republicans that you need. You Need Susan Collins. Lisa Murkowski the people people in the middle so the president right now is receiving this conflicting advice. And we don't know yet. I don't think the decision has been made on who is going to defend the president and the trial yet. Yeah no we have not heard that decision we know that Pets Bologna and his team. The White House counsel on his team Have put together a plan and that there seems to be one but we don't yet know exactly who will be doing the defending of the president. And I think that the president who we know consume so much Fox News and sort of has this echo chamber constantly feedback loop in in. His mind doesn't always necessarily think the way McConnell does about Are we just doing a full on brawl with the Democrats here or is there work to be done with your own party here and McConnell's clearly trying to make the case Mr President don't lose sight. Yes you're going to be acquitted but you've got to still keep your party on board. I think right now if you just run the nineteen ninety nine Clinton trial rules you will see each side making their argument and then a couple of days of questions from the senators and then you vote whether to dismiss the whole thing right then there or then to also get into the witnesses that Democrats think will bolster their case my final question for you before we go to break you say that Democrats will boast of their case. What about the fact that Donald Trump is still out there saying he wants them? Witnesses I Mitch. McConnell sort of in a no witnesses camp. He doesn't necessarily want to see Joe Biden or Hunter Abidin or the whistle blower called. So there's a difference there too is they're not of course There are some Republicans who want to see honor Biden. They WANNA Have I think Senator Ron Johnson said this week the full gamut of witnesses. But you've also seen Senator Susan Collins who you know really the crucial senator here say a that it would be inappropriate inappropriate for president trump to say to China investigate on our Biden Susan Collins once witnesses But we we don't really think that means also hundred I think we've that means you know people with firsthand evidence other people who testified before the house. Yeah actual impertinent witnesses to this What these articles of impeachment are about and therefore pertinent to this trial? Alex let's take a pause and our conversation for the moment legal analysts Susan. Hennessy will join us right after this break. Hi Everyone I'm poppy. 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What was this gambit about holding back the articles here because a lot of of what was said As these articles of impeachment passed through the House of Representatives was. There was an urgency to do this now now because free and fair elections could be at stake here. I want you to hear House Speaker. Pelosi responded to Mono US you call Democrats call him. I'm a clear and present danger to democracy. Shen he'll be house Democrats in the impeachment of the president and so but shouldn't you move more expeditiously given the fact that you have raised serious concern of the president poses to move smartly and strategically that is a classic Pelosi Line. Is it smartly and strategically. It's sort of how I think that's her brand in in many ways. But she ignored the the the actual premise of the question. which was there was a case made? This was urgent why now is not urging to get the trial started. What do you make of that? So what what I make of it is that we should be thinking about impeachment in the House and trial and potential removal in the Senate as two separate separate questions right that really from the outset. I think somebody has clear I. It's Pelosi understood. The president was not going to be removed and so whenever she was talking about the urgency of impeachment. I think she was talking about the urgency of making the statement of having a response because of course the fact that we are in impeachment proceedings themselves act as a constraint on the president itself actually establishes a boundary tree. So I do think there's a way to square the circle by saying look There was a powerful and genuinely urgent argument for needing needing to move to impeachment on the available articles On the available evidence not waiting. And now there's a different argument that there continues to be a sense of urgency But it's urgency to do it right and it's urgency not to get it over with But urgency take to actually produce the substantive information and. What do you think of the case that she made today that the delay in handing over the articles has resulted the in some documentation Some more prominent Either questions for witnesses or specific witnesses themselves coming to the fore here. What do you make of that argument? She was trying to make. I don't think we know yet whether this gambit has paid off certainly in the intervening intervening period of time there has been additional revelations about the existence of emails with OH NBA officials. I'm sort of an allegation that the government has overreacted in an indication that there is more documentary evidence there. I'm and then of course. There is the new decision of John. Bolton saying that he will comply with a with a with a subpoena if it is actually issued you know those are both news substantive important things You know that said With Bolton and I think it's an open question of whether or not she'll actually use withholding the articles to do something like half the house. Subpoena him actually sort of you know really take this this All the way to the Agean and withhold the articles until there are additional information on the countervailing risk. And I think the countervailing risk from the beginning was was that this was going to look like procedural gamesmanship. I'm not just that it was going to turn off the American public but that it was going to turn off. Moderate Republicans moderate Republicans Republicans. Who Don't want to vote against the president procedurally and certainly don't WanNa vote to convict the president and that this might end up providing wiggle room for someone like Susan Collins Collins to say look? I'm deeply uncomfortable with what I've seen that said this is all partisan game playing. I'm not going to be a part of this. And therefore that's why I'm holding with with my caucus and and so I think that's the rest. I think that is still an open question. And and certainly Susan Collins comments over the past couple of days I think shadow why that was a genuine risk and You know at the end of the day the entire ballgame here not not in terms of the outcome but in terms of sort of the the procedural fairness is does Mitch McConnell have fifty one republicans that he can keep in line with him. I'm so I lost multiple anticipated votes. Exact he's not just witnesses documents. What have you time and again? He's going to need those fifty one exactly every single time it contested procedural motion comes up. And so I. I don't know that she can claim victory victory until we know the answer to that question. I'm curious Senate. Democratic leader Chuck Schumer wants four witnesses. He wants acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney who said for National Security Advisor John Bolton and his senior adviser Robert Blair and then also The officer management and budget official Michael Duffy. These four witnesses are crucial to what Democrats want of these witnesses Who Do you think would be the most interesting to hear from him? What do you think would be the advantage Of lend more from these four witnesses. So certainly think Mick Mulvaney probably in terms of substantive information is probably the person who's most significant in part because He plays has the somewhat unusual role of both technically being the head of a and also the president's Acting Chief of Staff Mulvaney is clearly in a position to understand the the president's personal involvement in directing the hold on this military aid and also to what extent that was explicitly league linked linked to investigations. So the Biden's right so we have sort of two lines so That are occurring right now and I think the big question is to what extent can democrats. It's actually establish the connection That said you know. I initially started out thinking that John Bolton really wasn't especially significant here that yeah he might be able to sort of confirmed in testimony. We we'd heard from Theo and a hill He might be you know not favorable witness to the president but really he'd already kind of bent on the outs You know with the president at this point he didn't appear here to be a central player. Actually changed my mind on that in part because of New York Times reporting That there was at least one in potentially multiple Oval Office meetings with the President John Bolton Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Secretary of Defense asper in which trump's own cabinet officials essentially sort of prevailed veiled on him to release this military aid. That is an incredibly significant exchange. Not just what. Their conversations with the president looks like but what their conversation nations in advance. Looks like what concerns did they express to one another concerns that might not be covered by executive privilege that to me seems incredibly ably significant. And so I I do think that the question of whether or not Bolton will testify as really important and I think the question of if Bolton does not testify is he nevertheless is going to tell this story publicly. I'm really is going to be critical and hoste weighing on Mitch. McConnell's mind as well in the one thousand nine hundred nine Clinton beat control which would keep on coming back to to The Senate got here from three witnesses including Monica Lewinsky you know. TV sets up on the Senate floor. Robert burbs not a fan of it but he he kind of relented and agreed Be Interesting to see if because this videotape it yet position not live during the trial right on the Senate floor He also at the time disagreed having house. Democrats come over and and be part of the defense team as well which is now part of where we were? Just talking about you know should Hausch I am Hausch. Republicans join The defense team this time around But I'm just so interested to see if we will have any new. Ns any new facts that will emerged during this trial and You know this time you know if John Bolton or or anybody else even get to that point but it seems like right now. That's that's GonNa be if an if at all weeks away and you you mentioned Mulvaney bulletin but it seemed to me. Duffy was the with the potential witness that over the holiday break. Emerged what you were saying earlier with this new direct evidence about a directive for Oh mb yes certainly deputies in a position position to have an important substantive information that said Mulvaney and Bolton are two people that I think are identifiable as being on the president's is team and one thing we saw over and over again as career civil servants who were serving in trump's new administration producing really devastating and in sort of damning damning testimony embassador Taylor and others really sort of being dismissed as part of the deep state bureaucracy. And they're just out to get the president and so the testimony hustle money that I think is is most powerful in in terms of the actual ability to change minds and and I'm not GonNa Take Pollyanna view here that you know everybody's this as a principal question. They're really our minds to be changed. But but sort of shade perceptions about what's going on here I do think that if we see identifiable available Republicans people like Mulvaney. People like John Bolton telling a story that appears to be factually devastating to the president that that is something that is going to be really significant in a way that you know trying to take the public down into the weeds of Federal Appropriations Law and impound. Impound control. I I find that fascinating nobody else does. And and ultimately you know this. I don't know that we should think of it as theatrics but but it is about messaging something to the public. It is for that reason. The potential for how compelling some of these witnesses could be that. I'm rather Skeptical that Mitch. McConnell will really ever allow Witnesses as a part of this try. Just think he's going to well. We'll just see what kind of public pressure mounts on some of those potentially moderate or vulnerable Republicans but It is exactly for what you're saying Susan that I think Mitch. McConnell is ready to throw his body in front of witnesses time and again again. One thing that I think is an interesting question is to what extent does Mitch McConnell believe John Bolton is going to tell this story one way or another and so to the extent I agree with you You know he is GonNa throw his body in front of this train but if it's only to to sort of get a temporary gain for this story to eventually come out You know this is a master tactician at work and he's always thinking fifteen steps ahead and how that's factoring into into the calculus I into into McConnell's calculus right now. I I think that's one of the biggest and most interesting unknowns couldn't agree more Alex Susan thank you so much for joining me here on the daily. DC Impeachment Watch. We'd like to thank our listeners. 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